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3 al i , J o •)/ • li" '',s .: 4 ,,,, , -',. • e , • ......... .. ---::::., ; , - 2, K ' • . , . -.- • . ..-4.47,31.1176,Ft` , T H. J. 4 .........J.. :.4,,..ki... ,:i intk,x,sz. •VI i4f o i W r ;r . .1a • t:(: j, ' MARCH 10, )808. NUNIbEIt. 4837. j WEDNESDJ fr YRI CE 9IKP*C L IMPERIAL PARLIAMENI. opinion respetling the mode of aJ'lnitting proxies, the standing order having beetVead to that effea., Lord HAWKESBURY CUltleided . with the Lord" Chancellor, and observed, that, as he could not suc ceed in the amendment he had pioposed, he *tp9st' now oppose the Bill altogether. After some explanation from Lord.REnesnAxs, the question was called for, and the House divided on the third reading of the Bill.. . cOndud, so far as he had been concerned in the transaetioas -in India, and contended that our. right 'of controul over the affairs of Oude must be esta blished -in the minds of ali who heard- him, who were conversant in Indian affairs. It was founded in the nature of the ennueetion between the two, States. If it: had not been for the Measures resorted to by his Noble Relation, Lard Lake would not have been able to advance beyond the frontiers iii 1803, nor to achieve that brilliant campaign which, amongst other distiations, procured for him the Thanks of that Hiatise. The defeets of the Vizier's system, the mutinous, state of his army,-the rebel linus disposition of his snbje&s, and the weakness of an exposed frontier in that.quarter, rendered it ne eessary for the Governor General, whoever be may haVe been, if not unworthy of the trust reposed him, to establish the relations between the two States upon some firth and permanent footing. The arrangements upon which ;his transaction had been founded were advantageous to both States, and even highly beneficial to the Vizier in a „pecuniary point of view. He could assert on the part of his No ble Relation, that he bad been aCtuated solely by an anxious zeal for the public service. And he should ask the Honse, whether, if there was any truth in the rumours respelling the designS of Iluonapatte against India, this was a time for passing a vote ,of censure upon measures which had so eminently augmented its tncans.of security ? At all events, it would ever be a source of satisfathon to him re re flea, that those measures had given relief to several millions of human beings from the most violent and outrageous oppress*. .Mr. G. JOH?ISTONE, though he ditrered with regret from his Hon. Friends near him, yet, as they vindicated-their consistency, in . the line they-meant to pursue,. he was convinced that . they could not hut feekcontempt fOr him, if he did not maintain those opinions which be on several former. occasions had held upon this subject. The Hon. Gentleman then' proceeded te a Very detailed consideration of the Papers on the table, to prove that the . transaaietis in Oude wete - uncalled for by the circumstances of the times, unjustifiable upon any „principh., 4 4d wiste lig, and (tiredly in violation of the solemn lions of existing Treaties. Sir Joan ANSTEUTHEit in explanation, com mented upon and defended the statements he had tbade upon this question cm a former occasion. Mr. S. LUSHINGTON went . at large into the ques tion, and though !peaking modeiately, seemed rather lei. blame the proceedings of Lord Wellesley's Go vernment. JaMes's,. and the Irnperial Envoy at LOtidzin - , Princ4 STAIIItEXWIG, received formal and pressing instrue; tions ; but as the British Ministry, in answer to - these written communications, declared, that its an• swer must depend Upon, its Mlles; the salutary pro"= , positions of Aostria could net be Considered but as disretorded; and soon after the Treaty of Tilsit concluded, by Which the interests of the COniinerit .were regulated, without the particiption of Great Britain ; his Imperial, 'Royal, and Apr srolic - jesty, continued nevertheless convinted of ,the ' lily, and even of the necessity of .egeneralpacifica- - •• tion ; and 'thiS convielion afforded him need for renewing his pres Sing repros - entations to the Court • of London in July. Soon after the signing of tree. Continental' Peace, the Prince STAII/Iniftl33o again received orders to induce the British Ministry to en ter into a Negaciation with France,' in order hat the Continental Peace might be connedted with 'and confirmed by a Maritiree Peace. But these propo sitiOns were not more successful than the firmer had been; and the'nusWer of England Was again evasive. 'FlieM.Unsre, however, thought it right to return to a sebjea Of the mo4t material influence on the ge neral system of Europe, as well as on the proi e e. rity of the Austrian Provinces in perictilar. STAHRENIBERG was therefore, for toe third time; - dire6ted, in September, 1807, to make some ther overtures, corne6ted with the former- tnea sures of the Court of Vienna. But before his Majesty's AmbaSsador reperted the result of his 'communication, the Court of London declared its sentiments with regard to a 'Maritime Pe.!ce in so positive a manner, refusing at the same time the mediation of Russia, making an attaek on Co peithagen, and seizing the Danish Flees, wil;.oof aseigningany satisfa&ory cause lb, these violent 4nea mires, nay, endeavouring to justify those proceedings, their infringements of the unquestiotiable rights of Neutral Powerseby ottcial declaretious, which evi dently clashed with the principles adopted by the ,other great' Powers, that it was impossible not to perceive, in the course pursued by the British miter, to remOve the possibiliy Of Peace tet a greater distance, and not to listen to whpiever had any ten'. . deOdy to restore tranquillity to Europe.. The impression which this cendt4, - t, destrualvc till . the hdpes which his MAsitsry had toodly eon ceived, made en bin . ), was as deep as it was painful. Without - Waiting for the farther reports of Prince Si7AinttEMZIERG, orders still more urgent and more positive were sent him thsti . he had befor'e received, These instructions, bearing date the sOtlt Or:Mer l . contained' first, a recapitulation - of all former actions, and direttcd him to , represent to the Cetii• net of St. James's, in the strongest colours, the un avoidable consequences. of its cooduej, and to insist in the most earliest memier on an open declaration of its real sentiments, with 'steed to Peace, and to avail himielf of all possible means to lead it back to sentiments of modersnlon e titted forrhe i.lresent situ! ation and meeting the wishes of Europe. The dispatches closed• with Abe .precise order, to apply once more on this subjea, in en (Alicia' man , - • tier, to his Britannic Majesty's Minister for Foreign Atlairs, and- tb make. to , him the tOrmal propotiat to enter. into , negotiation 'for a Maritime Peace; ott such principles aft - answered, the interest , of all the - Powers cotreerned ; and as 3 provisieeal, proof of • his pacific disposition, to desist from the tot:wen/A pursued against Denmark, and retreettheDechiraeon which accompanied them. .Should the Court of St. James's reject-those proposals, or purposely protract giving.any answer, Prince STAintltmbEito was reCted to demand his passport and leave London,: , with every person belonging to the Etpbassy., It was the. Emperor's will that the above instruc tions should be restricted to such of general interest as were most likely to move the British Cabinet to receive his proposals with attention and kindness ; and if his Imperial: Majesty ordered no complaints to be inserted of the numeteus,violations of his right as a Neutral , Power, violations with regard to which his Majesty had not beep able to obtain the 'least redress or compensation, the reasons no doubt will be obvious, which induced his Majesty to past by in silence whatever concerned his personal interest; His Imperial Majesty's Ambassador in London, could but execute the positive orders which he re. ceived frpoi Vienna to their full extent ; but being. of opinion that he might indulge an hope of being able to prevail on the English Ministry to shew MOM' pacific sentiments towards France, he resolved to expri,ns at first only part of his orders in a Note ad dressed to Mr. CANNING on the 20th of Nome tier; the Secretary of State answered that Note by a mere repetition - of the Decimation made to Austria' by England t' siiice the month of Aprils 1807: Contents present - a 6 Proxies 48 Non-Contents present 69 Proxies 59-223 Majority against the Bill So Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. TUESDAY, MARCH 15. The following Members were chosen by ballot as a Committee to try the Maldou Etettion Petition. I. O'Callaghan, F.sq. • Right Hon, W. Elliott. j. Craig,.Esq. D. S. L)ugdale, Esq. • It. HenYu.n, EA. Sir S. Bowyer. 14. C. - Combs, Esq. wre, also chosen to try R. Coburn, Esq. M. A. Taylor, lisq. john frftery, hsq. S. Anson, Sir Itobeit I , v;'Hams. C. Palmer i Esq. • lion. T. A. !'Jetty.' • The following Membe the Ile.verley Eht&ion. Hor‘, S, Lamb. I). North, Esq. H. J. T. Clements. I-I, F. N. I.lort6n. T. Foley. . fackson. VI,. L. Hughes. Hon. A. C. Bradshaw. Lord Henry Petty. J. Buller, Esq. ---- Stanley, Esq. A. Browne, Esq. - Sir Arthur Pigott. . Mr. M. FITZGERALD presented a Petition from the High Sherd and Freeholders of the County of Kerry, in Ireland, praying for d Cotntnutation of Tithes. • The Hon. Gentleman observed, that the Gentlemen were of the most respectable descrip tion, and had particularly distinguished themselves for their loyalty during the rebellion. Ordered to lie on the cable. A Petition was presented from certain Freeholders of the County of Sussex, praying to be admitted as parties in the room of J. Fuller,•EsVagainst the Pe tition complaining of an undue Rettirn for that County. Ordered to lie on the table. A Person from the Admiralty Office presented an Account of 'the State of the Squadron .under Sir It. Strachan. Ordered to be printed. Mr. WitawroN brought up the . Annual Qualifi cation Indemnity Bill; which wa3 read a fir,t and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow. The ,Expiring Laws perpetual Bill was read a third time, and passed. Mr. T. ORKNVILLE gave notice, that he would to-morrow move for ,two or three More Papers rela-: live to the Expedition to the Dardanelles. . 6ir.f.kiies HALL took a general view of the cir. cunZtanceof the case. It WWI 110 t easy.to discover from the tenor of his speech, whether he approved or disapproved of the system of Lord Wellesley's Government. EXPRESSES. Mr. PARA . ELL moved that there be bid before the House, an Account of the Sums that had been paid for the establikehmeni of Expresies between Ho lyhead and Dublin, from 1801101808; distinguishing each year. 11e observed that the Ir6h Government bad been accused of going to the expence of .ob taining and then of comnrunicatiog the information received' from -London by those - Expresdes to ilia Editor of a certain Newspaper in Dublin, and to him alone. .1 ord. CA STI,CXEs.pit toolt m a,g . euet.ll tie of tine Tystion, and in a very alile spevett defended • tha i(-ebict Marquis. • Mr. Routcr TII,ORNTuN illst!4eci ins, own con duet, ono accused .Marquis ‘Vcllesley of a - dti 'of ambition. the,Court of DireaOrs, and the principles of Marquis Curnwallis. lie approved of the Mybore war, but thought that IN.darquii Wel lehky had subsequer.tly ptirsaed a syhtem injurious to the Company. He approved of all the Rcsulutioral exCept the last.. An adjournment was then called for. CAANi*Ll.9ht .of tbe stated " that great delay would he likely co result to public business from the repeated adoption of such propo- Sir A. WELLESLEY replied, that by the esta bliihment of regular Expreaseit.,,ithad become un necessary to we .messengers between the two'couti irles, by which a considerable sum had been saved. He - allowed that the information received bf the expresses had been communicated to a . Dublin Paper, that the public might have the advantaze of it ; as it did not appear that it ought. to b kept secret for 48 hours, until the general arrit al of the London Prints. hitioll6. • Air,. IMAarts thought trom the outupleOrn of the E . Jouse the question could not be fairly discussed to-night. .- Mr. Wittr.an4AD Old a few words, complain ing of the interrui t titic, Mr. Ihoruton had experi enced. Atter a few words from Sir J. NIMPORT, Sir A. Wat.t.*.st.ay, and Mr. l'Att‘set4.-, the motion "Was agreed 'to. , Mr. Secretary CANNING brought up the letters of Mr. Garlicke arid Lord liowick, relative to Co. peuhagen ; which were ordered to lie OH the table. The Gallery was,cteared after some little calling fur the question. On a di%ision the nutithers After a short conversation between 111 i% PON.. isONI3Y, Mr. SHARrei and Mr. CANNING, it was agreed that Mr. Sumutes motion for a gesolotiou expressive of the. sense of the Haase 011 the Copen-, hagen Expedition, should be postponed from to, morrow to Monday, for the purpose of giving an" opportunity to-morrow for the discusiion of the Swedish Treaty. Zn answer to a question from Mr. WHITBREAD, Mr. CANIUNG, stated, that the Treaty 'with S weden, then on the table, _was the only one.now existing. between the two Countries.' The last payment on the last Treaty took place in Oe.taber. , Lord tAwri.Eit tiAGII presented Copies 'of the Cor respondence between Lord How ick, Mr. Secretary Windham, and General Fox, pursuant to Order of the House. Ordered to be printed., were-- hor ;he Adjouinmen4 .-35 I Against it - 195 The debate was consequently resumed. 'fhe gallery was re-opened, and on our adinlssion we toqiid Col. WOOD an his legs, defending the condua. of slid Noble Marquis. Mr,Stiaitto.ol, SirJ. ANSTEII.ITHER, Lord MtvroN, Mr. WIIITIIREnD, Lord MIPLE, Mr. NV: SaiiTn, and Ir . Monnts, also Lord FoLx.r.srotia replitsi at considerable len.ith. House then divided : • F6r the ic.:ot talon . or tho queAion - rsz HOUSE OF PEERS. , . TUESDAY, MARCH 15. Lord Pct. ER SOKOU on took the oaths :Ind his seat. The /sills on the t...,:.: were advanced a stag e each. . . Tha Mutiny Bill %va:. brought up from•theCommons, and read a first time. • REVERSIONARY GRANTS utt.L. ' On the motion for the third reading of this 'Bill, Lord REDESDALE rose to re.i.state the argu ments which he had urged on a former occasion against the measure, not only because he w'as,• upon further reflection, more detertnitied, it possible, to oppose the Bill, but because many Noble Lords Might now be present who were then absent ; and because the majority of • their Lordships then present had been decided in their opposition to the Bill. The Noble and Learned Loid then went into a variety of observations to shew in how many points of view the Bill was obje6tionable. • It was an infringement of, the prerogative of the Crown, and an encroachment On the privileges of that House; 'there was besides in the manner in Which the Bill was brought forward, and in the views of those who . supported it, something that should strike, and put their Lort,hips on their guard against its consequeuces. Reform was the ob tea it professed, like other measures of that de icription ; but the House would not toiget the spirit that aetuated, and the -designs, that were known to be entertained by the Societies called The ; Friend, of Me People, The Constitutional, and Cur ! resportaing Societies. He was aware of the mischief Of this measure ; it was confessed to be only one of i many that were to follow on the same principle; but as he had said before, here he would. 'make his Stand against this spirit of innovation ; here their Lordships should make a stand with him, other- Wise the prerogative, their privileges, and the Constitution were gone. As to the prerogative of the Crown, so far from increasing, it was for' many 'riots hack dechning•;—the landed, the commercial, and monied interest, opposed a strong counterba lancing power to it; and ,the two latter had of late Tears greatly increased. Hence it. was ne.cessaey to tphold at least, not to let dOwn, theintluenee of the Crown. The growing influence of great individual* in this country aimed at a Controuling power, whiCh Was formidable to the Clown, and amid not be Checked too soon. This he had a proof of in Ireland, - where a combination of such individuals set the in • fit:settee of the Crown at defiance, or laid clown cer tain , claims, wit hoot a compliance. with which the I ' 'measures of Government would be opp o sed by t h em . Thisdeseription of men were known in Ireland by, i . the name of Jobbers, or better, perhaps, by the . • tame of the Round Robin. It was evident from the manner in which the Bill was &welt up, t hat the h upporters of it were not to stop there ; but' that the' pet eat measure. was only the foret ) unner of many others of a similar tendency. fie might be styled a Political, or a religious, or by otheree philosophical bigot ; but he was conscious be aeled on the princi ples of the reformation, of the revolution, and of every thing to which the country owed its real Tiber flea and prosperity. . He should therefore persist, as he had begun, and would, through every :stage, strenuously oppose the Bill. . The Duke 9 . 1' NORFOLK was surprised at some. , of the assertions'of the Noble:.and Learned Lord, , such as, that the Bill was opposed by the. majority of the Lords present, and supported only by proxies. Were proxies then to be set aside ? The praeti4e , .of granting places -in Reversion. might often, in his ~' upinion, inv o lve the g rea te s t inconveniences and j absurdities. ' 74 GREY made a long and animated reply to t Ile speetleof Lord Rcdesdale. He contended he ' Was . right in applying to him the terms of religious end politi ca l bi got , because in either . sense he con ceived him to.be a man who pertinaciously adhered to exploded doarines, and who raked in his way, only for fafas4nd inferences Which had lung since received a different interpretation from the =ligh t eettl and the wise. Nothing was more extravagant . nau the datrine thaethe influence of the Crown. had of Jute diminished,. and was in danger of de creasing. Such a doarirre was refuted , by experience c . v erY day. The measures.o f t h e l a t e Administra . %on, particolarly t h at f or w hi c h t h ey were dismissed f not power,, /tad the sanaion of large majorities. . , Tb lw e i: v ery 4 4 ' 11 brought in this inght„ the Mutiny r contained a Clause during that Administration, tar enlisting soldiers tirr limited . service ; : that , Bi , ll . was then carried by a large . t. stood bet • i .ol e i maiortty ; yet posit, as Iherr.Lordillips; it contained a Clause d 'ametrically opposite in its etleet to the. former, but :f”i not withstandiog, carried by a large mnjority. through the House of Commons almost without any " obs ervation or eppbsition, it was supported here by the leading tutor to Admiuistration and in Opposition, ,3.T_t the pre rogat i ve lett ty was. ev i dent l y t h e.stroeger . Who,' after that, would contend that the influcitee of the Crown was diminished 'or t_ ending to a dec.:hue. At to the allusions made ~ to. the Society called The ' - hm* of the People,, and -to which be had • the honour to' belo ng , a n d to t h e reforms that were Meditated by:. that Society, he .should shortly say, that these allusions were wholly groundless, and tharthe fads on which they were attempted to be 'apported by the Noble and Learned Lord laed .4 6 'foktmlatioe whatever in truth.. ' ' 114 LOUD CLUNCELLOR was also of .opluion tiro the atsernpts mode at ref Orin by the present measure might very well have a tendency to the deitradion and i annihilation of the prerogatives 'of 'be Crown, and of the principles of the Constitution. Ile would, however, have allowed the Bill. to pass, if it had been modified to his mind iti the Commit tee; but as' the amendtnents had been•opposed, be must nbw 'give his decided negative to the. motion Ibt the third reading. . . .._ 1 Lerd'RADatela and .Lord 1101. LAND explained their and, Lord MARQUIS WELLESLEY. On the motion of the citANctu.ott of the Ex the adjourned debate on the (Jude Papers was resumed.- The StExkun-having stated the queition, which was the previous question, tooyed by Sir J. Ax- STRUTqEit on the first of Lord FOILASTOSIeg RCSO 7 111[1011S, Sir TRW/MS TURTON maintained the judicial .1 Power of the House of Commons on subje&s of this nature, and then proceeded to the. conSidera tion of the question before the House, He alloived the high, and di,oinguished ..chatater which• then Noble Marquis universally bore, declared that he could not consider the subiutt personally,. bit con ;ended that the condu6t of the BritishA3roveriunent in India had beeti most reprehensible to the Nabob of Oude, who ought , to have beeh considered as an independent Sovereign condor 0 3 , which the British .charaaer had been irrecoverably degraded in that country. in support of this opinion, be en tered into a very minute investigation of the trana aCtions of the British Government ju India, tbra considerable period. Mr. HENILY IMLESI.4IP vindigati4 his opt, Mkjciritr irk Civottr of Ntakvii WOleiley - Strangers were , not re 7 atlinitted into the Gallery, but we hoderstood that the previous .tinestion was carried on all the other ilt:, , sonations, elicept on the lat, which was negatived without a division. Sir J..AN',TRuTrisR then moved, "That it appears to. this House, that Marquis Wvllesiey, in his nr rangeinentg in the province of Dude, was actuated f lay an ardent zeal for the sort' ice of his Cutiniri, and an an xi o us deiitts to promote the satetY, interests, and prosperity of the British Empire in ltidia." : CJti this motion (as we are told) the lionie di *ided, For the motion Again it - - 180 29 jority - is 1 At Seven o'clock this morning the MP-Ise ad jowned. STATE, PA PER, AUITAIAN DECLARATION. - - - - - noring thO war. which was concluded by the Pente of Tilsit, his linperial Royal and Apostolic Ma jeAty has continually ,endeavoured to impress the .Acliigerent PoWQrs:witli the motives which ought to j tiductt them to concur in endravouring to procure a QYnerfil Peace. Thu Court of Vienna, from that flaw, drclared its stititinunts to thoCithicta of St. . - As ali further representation was now evidently ineffeatual,.a final Notification was sent on tlie.e2d of December to -Prince STA I - MEN/11E1W, WiliCh l te 4 ; peated the Orders of the 30th of O.ober, and di, reMed itini before his departure. to give in _a MAI; explaining the motives of the condua of the Ccmyt of Vienna towards that of London. These dispatches . did not, however, arrive in 'London till. Prince. STAIUtZMBERG bud applied for and .recei , , , ect his passes, and he no longer could , have .eornmanica flans with the Secretary of State, and'deliver in the Note whiCh bad been transtnived to This representation, : wbieh is confined to the of i• cial communications that have passed between:the two Governments, is sufficient t 4 show, 'that tlid •Cabinet of St. James's cannot mistake the 'ea ,:s nor the motives which, have induced his App s toile Majesty to break, off •the connection which h as hi‘hetto existed between Ant•tria and Great .Tt. _Emperor nevertheless wishes to ter the •moment arrived, when the Court of London, sensible of its true interests, 'shall, with calmness anal justice, judge of and compare the situation of England with that of the other Powers, and there. by enable his Majesty to renew .with it his foriner fr'wndiy qouneetions, Vitoina Feb. 18.