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THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY. JUNE 11, 183 g. . •....... -.......--.......---"0.................. ..............:-...--...-..:.......-11,---",---...-.=-0 n. t sly that you were made p r o ;trate, for that can never be. 1 tie m e a ns. The Noble Lord says that there shall be twelve —( ci., ! .ring Peon the Opposition.) I ask you :wain, are I Corporations in Ireland. and that in th e twentv.one eaf towns your schemes now improved ?—( Renewed cheering from bo.ll named in the schedule the 9th of George IV. shall loe oreed. sides of the House. ) The l-li g ht H en . B a ronet, ; I well Now, Sir. did not we agree with the Noble Lord in the latter knew. was not all adventurer—be was not a speculator en principle? Did not we propose that every town hereti,''fore en peblie ruin:—'( Loud cheering from the Opoositi in ) Ile titled to corporate franchise might adopt that very Act?— cIA cut think that t',e Flieht lloneurable B ,ronet woula (dear, hear.) B u t I would ask, has the Noble Lora thought stihmit to construe_ so ,nary electric shocks ihr the i t necessary t o en faree that statute with regard tithe corporate country as. this.—(Tae same cheer; renewed.) There ee..-e towns of I...flighted ?Na suet , thing Another fallacy •in the sixty-four lush Aleinhers en his( Mr. their,) side of the speech of the Neb'e Lord is that portion Of it in vvideli he lieuse, e les would'he agt=est the reeht Ilan. B %route. A argues that becauee 1 ), ii3eit enjoysmuiticipal corporations roajority of 6 t menileas n mild prh:aps he a small areount if it is, therefooo I,PCCSS;" . V to . extend them to Ireland. B u t, cuestions of Irish grlcvancvs etc r.• once extinct, but as long as Sir, without referring to l'ruseia. or any (Alter state or kingdom • they remained unse ilea. and as lung as the pres•mt Govern to which municipal eistitutimis have been conceded, I ‘eould relit remained failVully devoted to that object. they would be a•lc ties question—which is, after all, the only real point at s t y l e-tact! in power.—( Cheers_ )If this assertion was doubted issue —is it a f lUt that mueiitipal institutions ar e necessary and let the question he tried, let Parliament he dissolved, the Op- essential fur the local government of Ireland? That, Sir, is position parties think that they wonld hate all tl_e Proteztante the question to which we should confine ourselves ; arid, con td. Ireland with them ? Let them tool; to the petition troin found and mystify it as we will, we must deal with that ques ttelier. signed by 1 . 000 Prote",tants; let them look to the tion at last. The aseireption of the Noble Lord in his En-• Petition from Lohaenderry, ellielt foremost as4erted the gin- glish Bill was. thet where corporate. institutions existed be rim, of Protestantism, tin' sere !vet of ottlioilexy. Ile hail fore, they shall exist again. Now, Sir, if that principle is so es'eed the Hon. and Leerned elember for Loieloielerry whir.- excellent, why bad the Noble Lord omitted to adopt it Bi gene ''n the eentimente expresssed itt that p etition were not those led: ) , in hisis E n glisilt ll ? Why Earl lie not extended it to of time majority of his Protestant cereetittiets? And the Hon. all the erincipal towns in England ? Look at Mancliestee and Member replied that the cese was so.—( Hear, beer. ) All look at Birminehem—(Cheers)—those great arel flomishiag these men, then, concurred in asking the' Howe what he tradieg and manufacturing . towns—did they date their impor ( Mr. Shen and his party called justice to Ireland. The titmice from the ietroduction of the corporate system ? But look lion. and Learned Recorder for Dribliti bad last night e n- still nearer home ; look at the metropolitan boroughs of toned into a very interesting disreesition PS tii what justice Southwark and Lambeth ; look even at the city in which many to Ireland really was. The Right Hoe. G e ntl e men would of us reside ; look at Nlarylebone and Finsbury, and you will perhaps Pardon him (Mr. Shiel) if h e ver y reer e c tfully find them one and all deprived of time blessings of Cor e orations, expressed ' e ta wish that the Learned Recorder's name had and that the city of London is the only place in this vest me net been to be found in the lists of the Lay Association.— tropolis w-hich enjoys that peculiar favour. The Right Hon. ( Hear, hear.) The Honourable and Learned Gentleman Gentleman, the Attorney-General for Ireland, asked last night knew very well that a civil Bill for the recovery of tithes how is it possible that the great and populous city of Dublin would lie in big own Court ; and yet the Learned Judge sub- can agree to pool a Corporation to its near neighbour, the scribes to pay Counsel for the prosecution of that very pro- town of Liver, and yet be deprived of a similar advan cese, Ile would ask, was it conducive to the public hi e tage ? Now to what does that argument amount? Why, t e rests, to the ends of public justice, that a man holding a merely to this, that there is a wish for corporate instite high judicial situation, and a Privy Councillor, should rush Lions in some places, and not in others. But, after all, headlong into this arena of persecution, and hOld out a Sir, the real question before us is this--will the abolition of premium to any speculating and tratlickiner .attorney who Corporations , according to the p lan P ro p osed b y the Mi chose to take advantage of it? The 'lion. and nority at this side of the House, and sanctioned by a large Learned Recorder had concluded his speech by exclaiming, majority of the other branch of Teri Legislature—will that " Ruat ecelum. fiat justitia." He ( M r. Shell) supposed that ' abolition at all interfere with the gand efficient local - " ruat ccelum" meant perish religion, perish humanity ; vernmeot of the towns in Ireland ? Sir, - my opinion is, that whilst " fiat justitia" should .be consteued, let tithes be no such interference will exist, and that no dang;er need be levietl.—( Cheers, and cries of " Oh, oh !") If he was wrong apprehended in that respect. lam quite aware that the feel in attributing that construction to the Hon. and Learned inns of the Irish people are in favour of a continuance of their Recorder's observations, he was sorry for it. He could only Corporations, or rather their re-construction ; amid 1 should be assure him that he had stretched his Imagination for the pure the last to disregard the feelings and wishes of any portion of pose of aiming at its meaning. —( Laughter, and " Oh, oh I") his Majesty's subjects, and more especially those Sir of Irishthe Irish Let, however. those who oppo sed this measure, now remember people—( Hear, hear, from Mr. O'Connell)—but, , I wou two things—that in. so doing, they were raising the question ask Hon. Gentlemen opposite this question : have the exit of reforming the House of. Lords in this country, and that tence of corporate bodies in Ireland heretofore conduced• to of the repeal of the Union in Ireland.—( Hear, hear, and the repose, the bap sapiness, and tranquillity of shown that the people the of Cheers.) The Hon. Member for Waterford had-already, in Ireland? Sir, I y, that unless it can be the course of his speech, pointed the attention of the House of destruction of Corporations in Ireland is incompatible with Commons in a very remarkable manner in the physical position the good of the Irish people generally, unless it can be proved of Ireland. It should not be forgotten that on a former occa- that by depriving Ireland of Corporations altogether we de sion, when the repeal was agitated, tht Hon. Member threw up ,},rive her of a system which would conduce to her happiness his seat because he could not pledge himself to support that and welfaree'-then I say prove that, and I will admit at once proposition. The warning of the Hon. Member, therefore, was that the corporate system ought to o eras continued.—( Hear, of some importance in his eye s, for if the y would not take his and cheering.) But if, on the cty, there is good (Mr. Sheil's) evidence as an authority, that of the Hon. Member reason to believe that another result would ensue, lam bound, for Waterford was one which they would not perhaps dispute. on the other hand, to say that it is far better to abolish 'When he considered the great and various faculties, the in- the Corporations altogether, than to make them a medium trepid and enthusiastic character, and, when in employment, by which discord and agitation may be continued and perpe the steady industry of his countrymen—when he considered tuated. I again take the instance of Dublin, and I refer to all this, and then turned to England as she was described that city as being the most populous and considerable place in last night in the powerful language of the Noble Lord, the Ireland, and because it has been more strongly dwelt upon by Secretary for the Home De p artment ; when he looked upon the advocates of Corporate Reform. What, then, is the Cor- England high and noble in her acts, advanced in her civilize- poration of Dublin, and what will it be if the Bill of the Noble tion, elevated in her position, and contemplated what had taken Lord is carried ? Will not the right of administering justice place leet night, all the glories of antiquity failed and grew be withheld from that Corporation? And why 7- Because dim before his pereeption._( Ch ee rs. ) Ireland had to thank you, Gentlemen, at the opposite side feel that it cannot be with this country for the loss of her Parliament and her political safety granted. Did you, by your Bill, give your favourite independence, ant.' she was told that as a compensation for Corporation of Dublin the power of superintending and con all this, her sons weee to be henceforth Britons. Let them, trouliog its p • olice And why has the Noble Lord invested then, be Britons indeet!... and in t r uth, for they must be on a_ that controul n the Lord Lieutenant Oh; but no doubt, you footing with Britons in every respect—they must be (cm- propose to give the Corporation the power of checking and phatically added the lion, and Learned Member), they controuling the paving, watching, and lighting of the city. must be your equals.—(Great cheering.) To be your vassals, Noe framers h ing. the You ßill wi the t hholdeat that advocates of C . You, y porate ourselv Roes, your dependents, to lie is to the Dublin Corporation all right of interference colonial submission be fore you, thof , gror we never will consent ; and when we are told that in religion, form, deny in language, and in blood, and in All but country, we are with the administration of justice, the appointment of Sheriffs aliens to you—if any men are mad enough to tell us so—thanks and Town Clerks, and all other Corporate rights and pri to that power which placed our throbbing hearts within our vileges which bodies similarly appointed enjoy.—(Hear, breasts, we are not base enough to submit to ouch an insult.— hear, hear.) You will not give them the power of (Enthusiastic and protracted cheerihg followedthe close of the controuling one solitary watchman, and you also take from Hon. and Learned Member's speech.) the Corperaticn the right of controul over the port and Isar- Sir R. PEEL next rose amidst loud cheers. and cries of bout of Dublin. Why, then, I ask you, in the name of reason " Bar, bar," and " Order," and said :--Mr. Speaker, the and c on to Dubliommon sense e , . for what purpose would you gra me nt a C say, Hon. Gentleman Gentleman wishe d to insinuate that since the passing of porat(Gt ing. Allow to the Reform Bill, I looked on the House of Commons as the that if you appoint a Corporation without the power of exer omnipotent power of the State. This I never said nor meant cising the ordinary functions which belong to a body so ap to insinuate. I said then, and feel now, that the Government pointed, having no controul and no responsibility, you can ap of the country could not be carried on without the concur- ' point them fur no other purpose' than those of a political and rence of the Meuse cf . Commons ; but I also maintain that it party nature ; and it is not we, but you, who are the enemies cannot be carried on with collision.—(Cheers.) While I wish of Ireland.—(Reiterated cheers.) I shall not enter into the to see the Commons powerful Ido not wish to sec them des- question of butter, wares, and the other minor points, which potic; while I wish to gee the Lards friendly auxiliaries to other b s ide, do not wish to see them relimeuieli their privileges, lay down time on such trifling considerations as the question is one of their ancient and venerated authority at the shrine of the principle, and not of details. But, Sir, when I heard the House of Commons, and be looked on as mere instruments speech delivered by the Hon. Member for the county of Meath, for registering the Acts of this House of Parliament.— I must say that I thought he appeared to forget that admi (Loud cheering.) The Han. Memb er has called out for ruble precept which the Hen. Gentleman the Member for justice to Ireland, and with all my heart I wish that ; but I North Derbyshire quoted so aptly from his Latin Grammer r etort his demand, I claim equal ju stice for both breeches of —( A laugh ) . our ancient and venerable Constitutiono—(Clicers.) The " Ingenus dedieisse fideliter mutes, Pion. Gentleman has quoted the authority cf Mr. Canning as Emollet mores ncesint esse feros." a justification for tlic doctrines he has laid down. But, Sir, ( Renewed laughter.) I repeat, Sir, that I will not enter into with all respect for the accuracy of the Honourable and the question of etail ; but I ask you, is it for the advocates of Learned Gentleman, I must be peerniteed to say, that the Ireland with the example of the abuses of the old - Corpora whole scope of Mr. Canninir's po liti c al theories, the grin- tiunsen this ` B w them as to ar desire gued th before at new in this ones shHouse all be con theceNoble ded ? ciples on which he acted, and the declarations which he has Wh uttered. utterly repudiate such an im p utation as that at- Lord opposite said that it was intended to embrace t w o ob tempted to be fastened on the memory of that distinguished jeets, namely, the abolition of the old Corporations, and their man, that he considered the power of the House of Commons revival under a new form. Sir, I admitted at that time that, inconsistent with the co-ordinate powers of the House of as theld Corporations did establish a monopoly of power and Lords. Mr. Canniotes whole scope of constitutional policy patronage, they oeght to be done away with altogether. - The was at variance with these upstart an viperous theories of Noble Lord taunted me upon that occasion, and said that I nullifying one branch of the Legislature, end arming another who complimented the -Geldstniths' Company for having with little short of omnipotence.—(Cheell.) The Hon. pulled down their old building and erecting a new one on Gentleman has treated the House with a quoestion from the its site ought to be the first to support this Bill for pull :speech of Mr. Canning on the Corn Laws. I giro ilium the ing down the old Corporations of Ireland stet erecting full benefit of it. It was a suicidal quotation ; for, when them in another form. Sir, I .certainly did compliment that consid e red in co mmon with hie object and his subject, it ancient and honourable body for the manner in which they strikes against - himself.—(Opposition cheers.) Weil, but bad restored and beautified their ancient hall, because that if the L ear ned Gen t leman used, or, rather, should I say, hall had been the scene of social harmony and good feeling ; abused, th e a u thority of Mr. Canning, for the purpose of a nd no doubt I would have said ‘s Yon : have dune right to distorting t ru th, I shall quote against him the authority of a build ts that upon tiie old foundation." But, Sir, I feel considerable Cporations of the Noble Lord would be statesman of a kindred school with Mr. Canning —a living doub the new or authority too—that o f a n individual with whom I have never any improvement upon the old, and therefore it 'was per co-operated, b ut towar d s w hom I have never used one disre- fectly consistent in me to advise the Noble Lord to abolish epectful word, or t ow ards whom I have never entertained the old Corporations altogether, but not to erect new ones in one disrespectful sentiment. -Will others on the Ministerial 'their stead.— ( Cheers.) When I consented to abolish the old side say the same--I mean Earl Grey ?—( Cheers from the Corporatione, I should not have censented to have done so had Opposition side.) E ar l G r ey did not deny the independence I felt, assured that, like the Goldsmiths' Hall, they had emi of the House of Commons, but he maintained at the same (laced to the harneney and goof), feeling of the people of Ire land.—( Cheers.) Sir, I believe that when the abolition of time the independence of the house of Lords: neither, lie maintained, should be sacrificed to the other. First, let me the Irish Corperations was firs op t prosed, the prop refer to the conduct of Mr. Canning. '2 -[The Right lion. Twin agreed to by y gentlemen on the other side or the osal was House, - - Coalman repeated the passage from Mr. Canning already who have since thought fit to change their opinions, because quoted, which stated that as neither of the Bills were objected they were under the influence of what I may call a species of to by time Lords his proposition to the II ,use of Commons was coercion.—( Loud cheers.) I bold, Sir, in my hand a•let such as would not bring them in collision with the Lords, in- ter addressed to Lord Mulgrave, by a person signing him eunuch as the principle of the Bills was adopted by th e L or d s .] self a " Dissatisfied Country Gentleman." That person, Ido not mean to say that the independence of the C ommo ns whoever lie may happen to be, is no friend of mine, or of the is to be sacrificed by the Lords, neither did Mr. Canning party with whom I have the honour to act in this House, and maintain that the Lords should be sacrificed to that of the therefore I the more readily quote his opinions, inasi - nuch Commons. He merely supported the princiPle that the in- as it cannot be said that I do so from any enmity of dependence of both should he maintained, and that collision feeling. After trotskin some severe comments en his Ma was to be depreciated.—( Cheers froin the Opposition.) Well, jesty's Governmn at the period when I tial the honour then, I come next to consider the sentiment uttered by Lord to represent it in this House, the writer goes on to state Grey. Did his Lordship say he would resign the _House of that Ireland would neeer be pacified until the complete Lords to the caprice or domination of the House of Corn- extinction of tithes was effected; and then lie lays down three mans ? Hear what Lord Grey himself says. He is the principlet, embodying his views. F,rst, the revision of Church Lest interpreter of his own sentiments.—(The quotation from property ; secondly, the disorganization of the Orangemen ; Lord Grey's speech was strictly i n effect this —" 'lle (Lord and, thirdly—now whet will the house think the thir d p ro p - Grey) belonged to a body whose constitutional duty it was, as sition of the " dissatisfied Country Gentlemen" is ?—why, the it was their inclination, to resist dangerous innovation—they total dadranchiseraent of all the Corporations in Ireland._ aveuld consider and promote the interest of the people, even (Loud cheers, ) Sir, keeping the arguments of this indivi when their conduct would be displeasing to the people, and, dual in view, I would entreat the House to look at the shoe above all things, they would not yield to fear. If their Lord- tion of Dublin and of Cork, boar of which cities, although ships were t o 'fie told that, in case .lie present Bill was rejected so favourably situated for the . pposes of trade, commerce, they would have a worse Bill, they would not he daunted on and agriculture. have been retrogradisig for more than a con _ that account ; above all things they would not yield to iiitimi_ tury past. 'Then let time house turn to Belfast, that great dation ; and if worse Bills were sent up from t he other House emporium of Irish arts and manufactures, awl yet, only fifty their Lordship would pursue the same course ; they would years ago, Belfast watt only an obscure unsightly viilage.— censider and a mend th en , ; and if they could not amend them, I (Cheers.) The Noble Lord cannot say that Belfast has at shey would reject :hem; they would, at all events, do their I tained its present eminence and prosperity be means of the duty :- and should 'oven e olliiion c ome, his post was taken, and corporate system ; but this would probably be his answer, with his order he would stand or fall—to the last hour of his "I am afraid that the true reason of tho absence the ( Loud cheers.) The s e , S ir, are the o p inions of a statesman want of a proper corporate controul," and yet the N he obl re e of great authority — of gr eat au t horit y with an y one, and Lord cannot be blind to the . fact that Bel doubly so whim lion. Gentlemen opposite. Let them, then, no Corporation worthy of the name over existed, is at 'ponder on these sell:in - lents of the venerable head of their present the most flourishing city in Ireland.—(areat cheer party. li e has r egistered hie solemn declaration that he would 'lug.) No w,Lord Sir, I will refe I entertain a g resPect, n that br an ch of the Legislature which it is now sought though we happen to differ in political o pinion—l mean Lord to strike down, withered and lifeless, by a resolution Clotteurry. In that letter the Noble Lord states that lie has oldie House of Cononons.—( Cheers, and cries of " Hear.") Is been for a long time favourable to the abolitiee of tithes, and your vaunted justice, and liberty, and toleration come to this ? then he goes oft to say that he should wish to see tire CD:To- Come to usurpation on the privileiree and just rights of others? rations of Ireland aeolisbed, and that all the local est ablish. 'lime Hon. Member has been kind" enough, and for this I ten- meths should be governed by Boards of Commissioners, ap der him my thanes, to offer me advice ; but unless I see pointed by the Crown, whose head manse should be in Dublin. ' cogent r eason for it, I shall not adopt his precept. The Hon. Now, tire Bill of time Noble Lord provides thee the Coin- Member found it necessary for his defence to reed his own missioners shall be appointed and paid by the Loed Lire tenant, and that tilae eliall sit in Dublin. Surely Sir, • speech at Thurle_s ; but lie was betrayed, by a glance of my Neele Friend, to read a proof his speech which he. would, after this it cannot fairly be 44j1) that those who oppose the 1 preenme, have otherwise tenitted.—(Some iiiterruption pre- Noble Lord's Bill are actuated by teai Fish to do injustice vt nteo as front ea:el-nog the c.inciusiini of this senten ce, and to Irelaroi, or to insult the peeple of that condign,'' inasmuch the following.) The Hon. Gentleman said clout he thought as our proposttice was mainly similar to that When. f i oeil from the rep or t of his Speech, according to the vulgate edition, Clawne.urry adeocated.-se‘gseers.) The question, hoivever, that he avowed ther e was a compact entered into between the ill Corporate institutions he beneficial to Ireland ? It', ileverument and his party ; but he then, corrected the pre- Sir, lam to give an •o pinion on them. qeestion, I certainly suened error by saying that it was only a contract, and an in- ca nnot overlook the fact that, comparing Englaed with Ire dish liable junction on honourable principles, He furthermore land, there is something in the latter country which is totally fe ed ;here errs an alliance bet Ween him and his party on the i nco mpatible with the establishment of Corporate institutions. e n w hat is it that you convict one i vi ed, and the Government on the other. Now, how does fallacy in the precautions t his dint from a com p ac t, the war e w hich he repudiated e___ we deem it so needful to observe in log y r)slating ;4° of • for Ireland ? (chea o "An alliance," said he, " was formed between f YOU eseert that this suspicion on our part of the ill elects of res on honouruble terms." Now, I defy the Hon. Gentle- the ostablisimont of the new Corporations is as unreasooable wan, wit h e ll his ingenuity, all his casuists—of which lie -one. You impute our opposition to your measures to a"feel ie so apt a Alligter—to s h ow me any other pl a in-minded ing of antipathy to the Roman Cetholies.—( Hear, from Mr. lase that an areiseesee or contract on terms is not a compact, a O'Connell. )• You assert that religious b t o e tiy is at the bot q, cal pro . quo arrangement. Sir, by the Bill of the Noble tom—that we are unwilling to cement the molt between the •.. .. i t : t i , p r ovided that the operation of the . Act.of the 9th of thei that we do not hesitate to throw o b s t ae l„ Lo '' ' G„ -re IV. shall be extended to twenty-one towns in Ireland. in way of the development of the prosperity of Ireland. N ew , lo ere at this side of the House propose to diminish the But I will ask you, have not your own avowals, fully justified num b e , .4g towns in which this statute shall be enforced? By the distrust we manifest ?—(Hear, hear.) Sir, we think that , Lilt i ► the present circumstances of irelaud. the inactive of civil , equality ( vllich is the undotibtAl right of every ctizan of that e.initry as well as this) does not depend on the formal or no minal institutions that may accidentally exit in particular lo calities, and maw have more or less analogy to those of England and - Scotland, but on the well-balanced laws which affect the whole community—( Hear)—and if those who lend themselves to the zwit:ttiun of this question wilt destroy that equality by the partial legislation they sane- we have a wrfect right to object to that destruction. believe that Ireland wants repose, and We believe that t'leso institutions will ensure to her agitation.—( Hear.) Sir, I do not dissent from the Ministerial measure from any such f,elings of national prejudice as have b •en suggested as likely to influence me in this opposition, but on the grounds that, instead of promotia„a , civil equality amongst the people of Ire land, it would divide and distract them by promoting anew political ascendancy—that, instead of repose , it would inflict agitation—that, instead of destroying the monopoly of power, it would re create and establish it— ind in the preseat state if Ireland it wool I only have the eff.2ct of transferring that ..ovver front a body that is willing to resign to another that is out too to grasp and wield it fur its exclusive ad -(rrie. Right Hon. Baronet sat down amitht loud „beer,.) article of the union provides for the preservation of the Church in Ireland.—(l3ursts of laughter and cheers ) They had heard the Member for the City of London to-night. tie had none of the animation which was natural to an insulted Irishman. No. In the cool languo7e of a philosophic states man, he told the House that they had reduced the question on whiTh the people of England had to determine, to this—was the House of Lords to be responsible to public opi nion. or was it to continue, as at present, to decide the most important question, according as the caprice, the paltry pre judices, the casual majority of its Members, or the national an tipathies against an essential ingredient of the national power might determine ? They had raised that question, and it was one which the people of England had to decide. As to the people of Ireland, they never would submit in quiet to your so vereignty. There is verge enough for us to agitate, agi tate, agitate ; until we have organized peaceably and le; ; •illy a power which you cannot resist, for 1 admit we ought to have join us and we shall have joining us the people of Eng land in the cry for justice to Irelanul.—( Loud cheers.) And having this I defy you to keep from Ireland municipal insti tutions. You may delay it. The Noble Lord who suggested the motion originally sought that delay, and so he ought. It is human nature for many to hate those whom he injures.—( Oh, from the Opposition, and cheers from the Ministerial benches.) He has injured Ireland, and therefore never can forgive her. —(Cheers, and , cries of " No, No !") He was the first to suggest it. lam delighted at it. The suggestion came from the proper quarter. It has been said, and said truly, that this Bill offers no compromise to the Lords. That is perfectly true. It offers a locus penitentice.—(Laughter and cheers). It does no more. If it compromised the principles of the first Bill, no man would oppose more than I should the Govern ment plan. It is said that there is no understanding, ex pressed or implied, between me and the gentlemen acting in the Government. There is no express understanding be tween us ; but there is an implied understanding , that the very moment they consent to an insult to Ireland, it would be our duty to oppose them, and we should do so as vigorously as we should oppose those who avow their open hostility to our country.—( Hear, hear !) Why do we support the Government at present? Because there is no compromise in principle ; because we believe them to be sincere in their determination to do justice to Ire land. We may differ in questions of detail. It is but a ques tion of detail whether thirty-twii or fifteen towns shall have Corporations. These are subjects for discussion. What is the principle which has been firmly avowed by the King's Go vernment, and more especially by two Noble Lords in this House, who are members of the Cabinet, upon the subject, and which has been avowed also by my Learned Friend the Attorney-General for Ireland ? I call him my friend not in the official sense—not in the sense in which we hear the term's " My Noble Friend" banded about in this House—( Laughter)-- meaning" My Noble Friend whom I hAe exceedingly—my Noble Friend who would do all he could to make me odious and unpopular”—l am proud to call the Attorney-General of Ire land my friend—(Cheers) --and to see him allied with a Go vernment founded on constitutional principles ; and I was de lighted to hear him dwsounce the atrocity of the insult which has been offered to us. We, therefore, stand upon principle. We require the same thing to be done for Ireland as that which has been done for England and for Scotland. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman then proceeded to advert to the speech of Sir W. Follett, the late Solicitor-General for England. The late Solicitor-General for England had en tered into the details of a Bill which it was evident he had never read. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman declared that he was a friend to Ireland. Why, he was a Tory to the back bone.—( Hear, hear, hear.) The Hon. Baronet who said he represented all the sense and piety of the University of Oxford, nevertheless maintained that corruption in Ireland ought to go on. He next came to the Hon. Member for Sandwich, who had paid him (Mr. O'Connell) the compli ment of declaring that he did not believe a word he said. That Hon. Member argued with much apparent solemnity. Did he know that there was no such mountebank as the grave man—no man' more • absurd than he who laboured to show that two and two made four? It was evident, however, that the Hon. Gentleman considered himself to be the very So lomon of intelligence. Passing over minor individuals, he now came to the Learned Recorder for Dublin. That Hon. and Learned Gentleman assumed a very manly tone. Yet lie (Mr. O'Connell) recollected that when the Hon. and Learned Gentleman offered an insult to Mr. O'Dwyer, the moment that gentleman retaliated, the Hon. and Learned Member retracted.—(Loud cries of order, order, and chair, chair.) That Hon. and Learned Gentleman declared that there was no corruption in the Corporation of Dublin. He should be glad to know what the Hon. and Learned Gentle man called corruption. From the evidence which had been submitted to a Committee of that House,. it appeared, in the first instance, that in a charitable institution in Dublin, under the controul of the Corporation (advised by the Honourable and Learned Gentleman) for the support of old men and or phans, called the Blue Coat Hospital, the income of which was 1,9001., no less a sum than 9701. was expended in sala ries ; leaving only 9201. for the purposes of the charity. Was not that corruption ? At the bead of the Corporation of Dub lin was the Lord Mayor. As the chief magistrate, the Lord Mayor had an extensive jurisdiction with respect to the adjudi cation of fines. That jurisdiction was frequently farmed for a stipulated sum ; 3501. a year. The Lord Mayor of Dublin was occasionally President of the Court of Conscience, by which lie made 1,200/. a year. Now, in Dublin the vicious practice existed of farming this Court to Aldermen and others—aground of great abuse. Was not that corruption ? The consequence of such an arrangement was, that within the last twenty years, the fees of that Court were nearly doubled. Did the Hon. and Learned Member (the Recorder of Dublin), the legal adviser of the Corporation, advise them to remedy these abuses? If he did, he had not allowed the sun to shine on his good deeds, for the fact of his having given such advice was not known. And how did the Hon. and Learned Gentleman himself obtain the office which lie had the honour to hold ? He had been but five years at the Bar, and bad had but little 'op portunity of distinguishing himself. Yet he was appointed to a high judicial office in the second city in the empire, with a salary of 1,500/. a-year. What could have raised him to that eminence but prejudice and party feeling; and was not that corruption ? In fact, nothing could be mare corrupt than this abominable Corporation ; and he was astonished that any man could stand up to defend it.- - -(llear, hear, hear.) The Hon. and Learned Gentleman was an agitator—a judi cial agitator—he combined the two occupations of a Judge and an agitator. No strength of character could ever stand against so incongruous a union. He (Mr. O'Connell) affirmed that in Dublin the practice of packing juries not only was not reproached, but was sustained. The Right Hon. Member for Tamworth had talked of the Corporations of Ire land as old buildings which had so long been applied to 'bad uses, that there was no building them up again. But why not build them up on a better plan? Why not build them tip so that they should not exclude integrity ? for integrity they had hitherto excluded—Protestant as well as Catholic. But, according to the Right Hon. Gentleman, the Protestants of Ireland would give up nothing that was not wrested from them. He ( Mr. O'Connell) in stern defiance of that position, said that they must give up what they ought to give npi .The claims of Ireland rested on the immutable principles of 'pike. Either there was a union between England and Ireland, or there was not. If there was a union, let Ireland enjoy the benefit of it; if there was no union, give her back her independent parliament. He thanked the House of Lords for what they had done. He even asked the Noble and Leaved Lord for the alien character which be bad given to the Irish people. The majority of the House of Lords might chuckle and laugh at what they termed the presumption of those who demanded justice for Ireland ; but the people were of a different opinion. The time of collision had arrived. The House of Lords had taken their ground. He hoped the House of Commons would that night take theirs. Let the people of England determine between the parties, and God de fend the right !—(The Hon. and Learned Gentleman sat down amidst loud cheers.) Lord STANLEY said the lion. and Learned Member for Kilkenny, who for the twentieth time had commented on ex pressions used by a Noble and Learned Lord, which expres sions he (Lord Stanley) did not stand up to apologise for, or defend —( Hear, hear, hear.) He who censured what he was pleased to call intemperate language—he who had used lan guage elsewhere with respect to the House of Lords, and to the Noble and Learned Lord especially, which he (Lord Stanley) had heard reportod, but whieh he would not pollute the ears of an assembly of Geneemen by repeating—( Hear, hear, hear)—language which no gentleman could have used. —( Hear, hear, hear.) Ile who had commented on expres sions which (Lord Stanley) repo i!ed, he was not there to apo logise for, had througho ut his spoech on this great and im portant question, had recourse to no one argument, reason, or plausible statement, hut haul made that speech from first to last one tissue of personal attacks on one lion. Gentleman after an other on matters wholly unconnected with the subject ; de livered in a tone, temper. and manner so extraordinary, that he ( Lord Stanley) should think it degrading to himself and degrading to the House.—( Hear, hear.) He repeated that he should think it degrading to himself and degrading to the House, if he were to waste his time and their own in comment ing upon them. He would, therefore, leave the speech of the lion. and Learned Member for Kilkenny, and apply himself to the speech delivered in a very different tone and manner by his Noble Friend opposite—( Mr. O'Connell—" Hear.") It seemed from that cheer that the Honourable and Learded Member for Kilkenny could not conceive the possibility of the existence of private friendship where there was political diffe rence. Was not that the meaning of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman's cheer? (Mr. O'Connell said would give no answer to that question.) He (Lord Stanley) would apply himself to what his Noble Friend had said of the operation of the Act of the 9th Geo. IV. They (on wi f l o i r ch watching, li wui i d i, i li lo ts t the Opposition side) who were going to do away with all local It ga y () upon the most liberal pri egiopvacir government,nment, they fere with the Act 0C 9 (leo. IV. ? vN i • n h o w h w a e t re n g la o n i n n e g r t ti o i4 do away with all tp,titl6 e t n h t e p d r i o f . - W1 1 1 4 :I d ll i V crt that Act t A A ct in d te o r ; c h o lir u , st a it n u d ene p t a e v s i , nu tl:e a p n o d we o r th o e f r levying purpos rates e epiples, and to =lSt eXtenied what was trouble the House by rocapitulating;l4 Majesty's f s e id re e nc o e r boolotwoHei(tmhsles?Majwositi)y,:shGisovernment and those on that posed to compel a certain number of towns to adopt the pro visions cif the Act of 9 Geo, IV. They (the Opposition) said, fi we do not quarrel with the Act where we find it, and so far from wishing to abolish it, we are willing to give, not to 2.1, but to every town in Ireland, the liberty of adopting it if they shall think proper."--( Cheers.) But his Noble Friend said, " Oh, we must have some provisions fqr *lse towns;, we have adopted some provisions in %h i ?, ciise iiig..th(; triilljli t ill Mur t icipt t i 4teti . :l",m , .oill.'aO'ili4 VI Ihe, reason is . (li si ,( , iiiiAsi eerePa' t4P.t in,,n`-' tO Setter en‘s4yea 1/4 tli t e Act ot 9 Geo, ;V.! , But they ?ti l e ~ pposition) pro vrec i Illeir own 149Vi§ie!Ir After a (eVf other cibs—Matigna upon the deto off OP =Wale, Ili() Noble Lord continued—l admit to my Noble Friend oppolite, that there is a wide distinction in point of principle between us.—(Loud cheers.) I admit Lord 110 WICK felt it necessary to reply to a portion o the observations that had fallen front the. Right Hon. Baronet, lie would not have said a word on tine subject had it,not been fe• the observations he had made at the outset in eltdanation of the terms of a speech made some time ago by the lion. Member for Tipperary: The lion. Baronet had told them that an alliance upon terms was neither more nor less thin a contract. He did not think the Right. Hon. Baronet was at all happy in his definition, but he (Lord Howick) would say what they all knew perfectly well, that the words " political compact" meant something dishonourable.—( Laughter, and cries of " No.") He could, however, solemnly assure the house that in the support they had obtained from those who sat at the same side with them (the Ministers) there was no compact entered into, implied, or expressed, that they should do any one act at variance with these arinciples which they had once expressed in that House. He would repeat that there existed no comnromise whatever on the subject of the repeal of the Union, and that there was not the slightest ap proach to an understanding existing between the parties al luded tp.—( Cheers.) But enough on this. The question at issue was, whether local governments should exist in Ireland ur not ? or, as his Hon. Friend near him expi•essed it, whether Ireland should' have local self.government or not ? The Right Hon. Baronet denied that this was the question : but on what ground did he rest the assertion ? He had stated two reasons— fist, beepuse he did not like to impose the regulations of the 9th Geo. IV., on twenty-two towns, whether they liked it or not ; and, secondly, because Municipal Corporations were not necessary for good government.—( Sir R. Peel exclaimed " Nu, no.") Tire [tight Hon. Baronet denied it but he (Lord H.) would appeal to the House as to the correctness of his quota tion. fie had also been surprised to hear him declare that Man chester had flourished without a Corporation, whilst Dublin had retrogaded with one ; but that also *as •a palpable fal lacy. The Right Honourable Baronet had said last year that the municipal institutions of Ireland and England were by no means analogous ; but he (Lord Howick) had said then that if Manchester had a Corporation, might it not thrive even better? Then the Municipal functions were performed in Manchester by Boards ; but they would act better if per formed by complete corporate arrangements. The result proved that he was correct. He asked the Right Hon. Ba ronet had the case of Manchester any parity with that of Dub lin, where it was proposed to take out of the hands of the Corporation the administration of 34,0001. per annum, and in vest it in Commissioners ? The Noble Lord then alluded to a letter written by a person named French, and quoted in the House, respecting the revenue of the Corporation of Cork. In that letter it was stated that the corn rates were 2,7001., the wide street rates 8,0001., and the pipe water rates 1,5001. per annum. All these sums would be given to the members and officers of the Corporation, and not to the town, by the Bill which the Right Hon. Baronet advocated ; for in every instance the old Corporators were constituted part managers of these funds, with full power to remunerate all their officers who possessed vested interests for life. He (Lord Howick) would ask, what would they think if the Right Hon. Ba ronet had, at the time the English Corporate Reform Bill was brought in last year, proposed to allow the managers of the old Liverpool docks to continue in receipt of the funds and their salaries, after the Corporation had been virtually abolished?—(Hear, hear.) The question was simply this— Whether the large towns in Ireland were to be interfered with in the management of their own concerns or not ? The Go vernment was told that it should not interfere-with the admi nistration of justice in Ireland. It did not do so—it especially refrained from it. He (Lord Howick) needed only refer the House to what had fallen from the lips of a Noble Lord in another place, that in legislating for Ireland the House was legislating for a people three-fourths of whom were alien in blood, differing in language, differing in religion, and waiting only for a favourable opportunity of throwing off the British Government. It did not follow, that if the Right Hon. Ba ronet was supposed to concur in that sentiment, that he should necessarily feel towards them a national antipathy. It would be quite possible for the conqueror of such a people to pity them. Perhaps the Right lion Baronet's feeling was analo gous. But had he not adopted the opinion that Ireland was to be governed, not as a free country, but as a conquered one ?—(" [fear, hear 1" from Mr. O'Connell). What other construction could be put on his words? Why was he so much afraid of allowing the people of Ireland to govern themselves? By legislating on the principle of distrust, ample cause would be found for it, as well as for fear. The Right Hon. Member for the University of Dublin had said that all Ireland wanted was repose. How (lid it happen that Ireland wanted it ? It was because she was governed as an alien. " England was now reaping the bitter fruits.—( Cheers.) Mr. C'CONNELL rose amidst• loud cries of " Divide." Ile might have an appeal to make to the people of England, and he could not with propriety make that appeal to them without having first tried what be could do with that H ouse.— ( Hear, hear.) He was the advocate there for his country, and he thought, it his duty to make his appeal to them in the first instance. He might be sneered at, but he did demand justice for Ireland.—(Faint laughter from the Opposition benches, and great cheering from the Ministerial side of the [louse.) Ireland was in that situation that they might pre sume to sneer at her; but he would tell them that they ought to dare to sneer when justice we; demanded.—( Loud cheers.) Scotland bad had her Municipal Corporations reformed —Eng land had had her Municipal Corporations reformed and pre served; and yet they presumed to refuse the same measure of justice to Ireland. What cared he what pretences they made. (Tremendous cheers.) He cared for none of their pretences —he had the fact. He really pitied the Right Hon. Baronet. —( Laughter and Cheers.) He had not received one cheer from all his Noble and Hon. Friends who remained around him.—( Hear. ) Ile had given them a speech, it was true; 'had pronounced a discourse at least as applicable for resisting the English Corporate Reform Bill as the Irish.—(Cheers.) \Viry did he not pronounce that speech last year?—('Loud cheers from the Ministerial benches.) No ! He knew bet ter than to insult the English people. if he had done so, there would have been very little chance of his restoration to office. It was an advantage to destroy the nuisance of the existing Corporations. That was what the Hon. Member fur Donegal said. But when you have destroyed these Cor porations, and have swept away every vestige of these nuisances, and then tell us that we have no materials for re constructing them, do you not make a direct contrast between us and the people of Scotland and of England, and that to their preference and to our degradation ? Collision, Sir, is come. This House has refused to assent to that degradation : the House of Lords have determined that we shall be de graded.—( Hear, hear.) It was said, during the debate on the Reform Bill, and was repeated over and over again. that as soon as the House was reformed, that in. sinet it would seek a quarrel with the House of Lords. The opponents of that measure founded their opposition upon the - apprehensions they entertained from the great infusion into this'llouse of , the democratic principle which it would neces sarily occasion ; and they contended that the representatives of the democracy of England would seek a collision with the Lords, and make another organic change or revolution neces. s:try. That prophecy has been falsified —(Cheers.) This House leas sought no collision with the Lords.—(Great cheers. ) This House has been forbearing.—( Cheers.) It has been exhibiting somewhat of timidity, and accordingly the Lords have been insulting, by daring us to the conflict.— ( Cheers.) The House of Lords have thought fit to declare that we are not worthy or competent to manage our own af s. That is their declaration. They have accordingly altered the Bill. They have substituted for the Corporations the Commissioners who have been so much talked of ; but they have taken care to preserve the vicious portion of the pre sent Corporations; for the House has yet .to learn that these persons, these mayors and aldermen, and common councilmen, and sheriffs; in the different Corporations in Ireland, from the Ist Jan. next, for the entire space of their lives, become trus tees of every charity in Ireland.—(" No, no.") Yes ; I say yes, I can read it.—( Cries of " Read.") But why should I enter into these details? — ( Cheers.) I don't want details for any argument. I make you a present of them.—(Laughter and cheers. and cries of " Order.") Let gentlemen read the - Bill ; but I believe there are some who don't know how to rend—( Laughter)—acid yet, Sir, there cannot be the least doubt that this alteration was put distinctly upon the most in sulting ground.- ( Hear, and great confusion, and cries. of B a r, bar.") Shall Ibe told, have I heard any man say, that tine Irish were aliens in blood, aliens in language, a li en s in religion? If ther e an y man who can have the un parallele d audacity to Of' that language? and if to have the un deny that he s a id so ?— paraNeled mean ness to so, is yet ba se enoug h (Tremereloua cheers.) hat I pare not whether he denies it or not ; I heard it with my ow n 4 n ears-a( Rene we d c h eers )— a am su rrounded by f ive -and-twenty othe rs w h o hoard i t also.—( ( - 3 a; oieeed cheering.) That is a specimen of yotir lordly logiartion for Irclatid.-aai peers.)c Some indeed sup psis that I employed this persoa to Rasist me in...agitati o n.— ( Laughter.) If I had hired him for that puspole h o cou ld riot waved me better.—( L au g hter.) But I can assure the House that 1. 1,4 not the least hand in getting him to make that speech.-_( Loud latiali;fl.•) I was exceedingly obliged to him.—( Laughter.) There was no cant, 110 hypooril, no plausible pretext in the making of that s p oN ,r l, _ ,,( Lend cheers.) Ile, at leant, wag open an d p l4 iri in hit rfietniing. tie intended an insult, and he gave It.—(Cheers.) He did nut say " No, we never advised it." But when others are pressed upon this point, and asked " Do you adopt t hi s lan. ?" etjage.-ado you recognise these .then the_ tall ow tt wctn,, answer in this [louse for what may have been sand claew4ele, .vre alicv jeaFlea iq O A one House, to quarrel witli 'the I pararlrPt leader in the 'other. We do'nt like indiscretion ; but we are tog disereet tq disavow it liaaa,"—‘ Laughter and loud cheers.) Ana yet that is the foundation upon which this aaa_alation pipe, They " legislate upon that ground for Ireland ;" and then they tell me, with some little degree of plausibility, that the fifth that the Lords, in the principle they have laid down, have tal:en the opinion of the minority of this House.—( Loud cheers.) It is a large minority—a considerable toh.ority; Gentlemen will not dispute, I think, that it is a respectably minority.—(Opposition cheers.) The Lord , have taken One view of the case, the Commons have taken anot her view ; ant we are told that a collision is inevitable—we are told tint a collision must come, and we are threatened with the dreadful consequences that must certainly ensue from it. Now. Sir, nobody can estimate more highly than I do the immense im portance of preserving uniformity hi principle and practice,be tween the two Houses of Parliament ; but, at the same time, nobody can value more highly than I do that check imposed by the Constitution, which gives to one House the power of checking and preventing hasty legislation on the part of the other.—(Loud cheers from the opposition.) Fortunately for the public there is in this country, there is in this House, there is in the other House of Parliament, too much of good feeling, too much of temper, too Much of judgment, too much of a due estimation of the awful consequences which would arise from the collision which sonic Gent lemen talk so lightly of, to excite the slightest apprehension of the consequences that may arise. —(Cheers from the Opposition.) The Houses of Parliament have differed before, Sir, and they will differ again ; and the result of their differences heretofore has been that both of them have carefully and prudently taken time to consider the subject of difference. If in the present case the one party find that they have gone farther than the feeling of the country would suppsrt them; and the other party find they may yield without running counter to the feeling of the coun try in the long run—for I do not speak of popular clamour that may be excited in a day—l have no fear but that on this as on all other occasions, the good feeling and temper of both !oases of Parliament will thid the means of reconcilement. —(Cheers.) Let us reflect upon what points we are at pre sent agreed. Let us have no quibbling about terms; let US have no quibbling about which side of the House are the D.!- structives and which the Conservatives.—( Immense chews from the Opposition, ans►vered by loud cheering from the Ministerial benches. ) I mean with regard to this point— ( Renewed cheers)—because to all intents and purposes, one side of tl►e House and the other arc equally agreed in a de termination to abolish for ever the existing system of Corpo rations in Ireland. The question, then, is, what are we to propose in their stead for all the different purposes of local go vernment ? And on that question, of one thing I am quite cer tain—that if the majority of this House should think fit to re ject the amendments proposed-by the Lords, and to adhere to their present determination, the course of argument and of truth will not suffer, even if the delay of a year should inter pose in the consideration and discussion of this question.— (" Oh," from the Ministerial benches, and cheers from the Opposition.) Is it absolutely necessary that a system of mu nicipal government should be established in 'every town in Ire land? Why, at first we were told that it was an insult—And here I may remark, that it is a very difficult matter to argue any question, if the moment you point out a difference, you are met with the assertion that it is an insult; at first we were told that it was an insult not to confer upon every every large town in Ireland the full extent of franchise and privileges which we have bestowed upon the towns in England. This is an insult. Very well; but what is my Noble Friend's present proposition ? Why, of the sixty towns to which be proposed at first to give Corporations, only eleven or twelve now remain. —( Loud cheers.) Upon the remainder of these towns my Noble Friend is prepared to put the insult without the slightest compunction. But I contend that it is no insult at all, but a due consideration of what is best for the interests of these towns and cities in general.—( Cheers.) We say that under present circumstances, and at the present time, the state of Ireland is such, from the state of the parties, political and religious—l say it without offence—that the introduction of those which are the means of peace and harmony elsewhere, would in Ireland be the introduction of turbulence and discontent. —(Cheers.) Thinking thus, we feel ourselves bound to ad here to our own opinion, however unpopular it may be here, and in Ireland. You say we cannot call upon you to recede from your determination ; why, with what face then, can you call upon us—a minority if you please, but a large minority— to swerve from the decision to which we have come upon prin ciple, when you do so—not for the purpose of concluding the settlement of this question . but for the purpose of differing from the other House of Parliament ?—( Cheers.) There being now lqud cries for a division from all parts of the House, the House then divided, when there appeared-- Ayes Noes Majority for Ministers -86 The announcement of the division was received with loud cheers. DISPUTE BETWEEN MEMBERS. On our return to the Gallery we found the SPEAKER ad dressing the House. We understood the Right Hon. Gentle man to say, that he had again to call the attention of the House to a report that had been presented in the early part of the evening by the Chairman of (as we understood) the South Durham Railway Bill, respecting a dispute that had occurred during the sitting of the Committee, between the Hon. and Gallant Member for Scarborough (Sir F. Trench) and the Hon. Member for Ipswich (Mr. Rigby Wason.) When the matter was mentioned to him in the early part of the evening, he had felt it to be his duty to call upon the Hon. Member for Scarborough (Sir F. Trench), who was present, to declare that the matter should not proceed further until it had been reported to the House. The other Hon. Member had not since attended in his place, and therefore he could not be called upon to give any assurance on the subject. The House, however, might direct that the Member far Scarborough was not at liberty to receive a message. The SPEAKER then called upon Sir F. Trench. Sir F. TRENCH had attended in his place in obedience to the orders of the Speaker. lie had also been called upon to declare that he would take no further notice of the matter. He had no hesitation in giving that assurance; because he felt— and he appealed to every member of the Committee who was present on the point—that he stood in a position which did not render it necessary for him to take any further steps. Whe ther or nut the Hon. Member who had been alluded to felt bound to take any further notice of the matter he knew not. In obedience to the comments of the Speaker and to the wishes of the House, lie was prepared to give an additional assurance to that he had already given. But after what he had said he appealed to the Speaker and to any Member of the House that he could not be bound beyond the jurisdiction of the House that the matter should go no further if the Hon. Member (as we understood the Hon. and Gallant Officer), originated the matter. He would state distinctly, as far as he was con cerned, it was not his intention to go further. Lord JOHN RUSSELL thought that the House should not be satisfied with less than the full and ample assurance required. Mr. C. W. WYNN had no doubt that the House would demand an unlimited declaration that all further proceedings in this matter should be atan end, and nothing further should, take place. The SPEAKER then addressed the House, but ho was entirely inaudible. Sir F. TRENCH did not know what the disposition of the Hon. Member was, but perhaps he might observe that the day had passed, and he had heard nothing from the Hon. Member. The Hon. Member for Northampton might be in the House, and he would appeal to that Hon. Gentleman whether he had not told him (Sir F. Trench) that he (Mr. Wrightson) went from the House, in a cab, with the Hon. Member for Ipswich ; and that Hon. Member had stated that he should not take aey steps at present. He was willing and anxious to pay every respect to the House and the chair, but he was notsure whether in obeying the orders of the Speaker, be might not incur th a t which he feared even more than the displeasure oftlats House-- namely, his own self-eondenmation. Lord J. RUSSELL thought, after what had taken place, there remained no other step to take . than to move that Sir F. Trench be taken into the custody of the Sergeant at- Arms. Mr. INGHAM (we believe) had understood the lion. Member for Scarborough to say that he did not beli,we the matter would go farther, as he had heard nothing fu'rther front the Hon. Member for Ipswich. He believed that the misun derstanding which had arisen was such, that it could be ended to the entire honour of both parties. The questioa was then put and agreed to, and the Hon. Member for -Scarborough was taken into the eustetly of the Sergeant-at- Arms. THE MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS (IRELAND) BILL Lord JOHN RUSSELL, before the House adjourned, wished to state, that as it was 'desirable to proceed without brgs of time with the Irish Corporation Bill, he should propose that: the further proceedings be taken on Monday. He should also propose that the House on that day meet at twelve o'clock, and the Bill bo theta proceeded with, and that an adjournment should take place from three to five o'clock. The Noble Lord then moved, .‘ That the House adjourn to twelve o'clock on Monday. —( Loud cries of " No, to.") The Gallery was cleared for a division,W none took place, and the motion was agreed to. Lord S'I'ORMONT then moved that Mr. Rigby Wason le taken into the custody of the Sergeant -at-Arms. The questioyi was then put and agreed to, On the motion of Colonel SIBTHORP the House ad journed a Quarter to Four o'Clock. - - - FROM LAST NIGHT'S. GAZETTE. ST. JAMES'S PALACE, JUNE 8, laM, This day Baron Billow, Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Ple nipotentiary from the King of Prussia, had au audience of his Ma jesty to deliver a letter from his Sum , oign : To which he was intmilv i vol by Lord Viscount Palmerston, his Majesty's Princira t i Q,w,retary . of State for Foreign Affairs, and eon dtiqed i3ie Hobert Chester, Knt., Master of the Ceremonies. FOREIGN OFFICE, MAY 25. The King has been graciously pleased to nominate and appoint John M‘Neill, Et, (whose appointment as his Majesty's Minister Pl9nipakentlary to the Shah of Persia was notified in the Gazette of the Oth February last) to be His Majesty's Envoy Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary to the Shah of Persia. WHITEHALL, JUNE 10. The King has been pleased to appoint Nassau William Senior, Esq., to be one of the Masters in Ordinary of the High Court Q," l Chancery, in the room of James Trower, Esq., deceased, CROWN OFFICE, Jun. W. aIEUDEK RETURNED TO SERVE „ Iv o, ,I t 5 . z.14.11' ELIAMENT, COUNTY OP Essex ( Soy 10it AiV I S ;0 ' e "g V a line of Naiirkg-.1)4342, t,IFe laid co,Mity tivex., Es*, ha the room c 11 0,e 1 :4 11 , 4 ! . 'st.‘eY / 1 4 (11c'e'v'ea‘ WAR,oFFicE, ivNic 10. 2 4 lik4ReAt ut Dragoon Guards—Lieut. E. L. Robertson, from the Olst Regiment of Foot, to be Lieut., vice Vandeleur, who ex changes, June 10. 13th Regiment of Light Dragoons—Captain W. Knox, from 60th Foot, to be Captain, vice Collins, who exchanges, Jur,e. la. 25th Regiment of Foot--Lieut. C. F. Sweeny to, 1... s Adjutant, vice Guille, who resigns the Adjutancy aline 10. Of he ialr- ••• 31it Foot—Lieut. T. M. Gardiner, from tiv. i 7th Regiment of Foot, he received, vice Amite, promoted, June 10 ; Ensign E. S. Mercer to be Lieutenant., repaying the aifferene , who retires ; to be Lieutenant. by purchase, vice Gar diner, ii 1 7 ) ff.,, Gent., to be Ensign, by purchase, a ice Mercer, June 11. nth Foot—Lieut. F. W: B. M‘Leoth from the half - p ly 6.lth Regiment of Foot, to. be Lieutenant , vice Joseph' Nugent Blood, who exchanges, June 1633. a the • 44th Foot—Major G. Tryon. feom the half-pay of the - 9 : 1 Proai sional Battilion of Militia, to be Major, vice G ra y . p rmn°ted. June 10; Capt. J. B. Ainsworth to be M,jor, by purchas o, vice Tryon, who retires, June I 1 ; 11. B. M.Crea to be Cap lain, by purchase, vice Ainsworth, June 11 ; Ensign D. T. Grant , to be Lieutenant, by rurchase, vice M'Crea, .rune 11 ; G. H. Skinton, Gent., to he'Ensign, by purchase, vice Grant. June 11. .5611 t Foot—R. W. limiter. Gent., to be Ensign, by purchase, vice Divas, whose appointment has not taken place. June 10. 60th Foot—Captain J. G. Collins, from the 13th Light Dm. goons. to be Captain, vice Knox, who exchanges, June 10. 70th Foot- , Captain T. W. B. Mounsteven, from the half-ray Unattached, to be Paymaster, vice Castle, appointed to a Recruit ing Di , trict, June 10. - 83 d Foot—Ensizn F. W. Bowles lo be Lieutenant, by purAnse , vice James, who retires ; W. Hamilton, Gent., to be Ensign, by purchase, vice Bowles, June 10. 84th Foot—Ensign R. L. Coxe to be Lieutenant, by purchaEo, vice Thompson, who retires ; Fl. S. Blackwood, Gent., to be En sign, by purchase, vice Coxe, June 10. 'B7th Foot—Second Lieut. H. Jephson to be First Lieutenant; by purchase, vice Cole, who retires ; R. E. Rich, Gent., to be Second Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Jephson, 10th June. 91st Foot—Lieut. R. 5. 0. Vandeleur, from the 11 Dragoon Guarde, to be Lieutenant, vice Robertson, who exchanges, 10th June. 911 Foot—NV. R. N. Campbell, Gent., to be Ensign, by pur chase, vice Munro, who retires, 10th Ju.ie. Rifle Brigade—!Second Lieut. R. Viscount Jocelyn to be Adju tant, vice Wilbraham, who resigns the Adjutancy only, June 10- Ist West India Regiment—Hon. T. C.. S. Foster to be Enslgn, by purhease, vice Pinder, promoted, June 10. BANKRUPTS. WILLIAM DAD D 3 and ROBERT D ADDS, grocers, Leaden - hall-street, to surrender June 21, and July 22, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Templer ' Shearman, and Slater, 23, Grea t Tower street ; Turquand, Copthall-buildings, official assignee. JOHN NICHOLION, linen-draper, High-street, Southwark , June 16, at two, and July 22, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy- Pennell, official assignee ; Lloyd, 61, Cheapside. SAMUEL PEARCE, stone mason, Tunbridge-Wells, June2 l, at twelve, and July 22, at half-past eleven, at the Court of Bank ruptcy. Groom, 12, Abchurch-lane, official assignee ; Brnintrett , Randall, Simmons, and Brown, 10, King's Bene,h-walk, WILLIAM ASPULL, music seller, Nottingh.tm, June '2O, a"' July 22, at eleveo, at the George the Fourth Inn, Nottingham - Parsons and Sons, Nottingham ; Yallop, 77, Basingliall-street , London. EDWIN MARKLAND, chemist, Great Yarmouth, June 27 ' and. July 22, at ten, at the Duke's Head Inn, Great Yarmouth - Preston, Walbrook, London; Tolver and Preston, Great Yarmouth . JOHN SPOTTISWODE GRAHAM, ironmonger, North ampton, June 25, and July 22, at eleven, at the White Hart Inn,. Digbeth. Capes, 5, Raymond-buildings, Gray's-inn, London;; Burman, Birmingham. MICHAEL CALVERT, linen-yarn-dealer, Manchester, '701 11 " 22, and July 22, at ten, at the Commissioners-Rooms, Mane} .ester. Kay, Barlow, and Aston, 1, Town-hall-buildings, Cross-street , Manchester. DIVIDENDS. At the Court of Bankruptcy, Basinghall-street. IL N. Scrivener, porkman, Ratchffe-highway, July 4, at half' past one—J. and E. Payne, coach lace manufacturers, Great Queen-street, Lincoln's Inn-fields, July 4, at half-past eleven—A . Richter, bookseller, Soho-square, July 2, at eleven—R. Stirling , brewer, High-street, Poplar, July 1, at one—T. Shirl e y, wine merchant, Bridge-street, Blackfriars, July 1, at twelve—J. Par kins, tailor, King William-street, London-bridge, July 1, at one.- H. Willis, carpet warehouseman, Blackman-street, Southwark, Suly 1, at two. _ _ In the Country, J. Smith, victualler, Salford, Lancashire, July 4, at ten, at the Commissioners' Rooms, Manchester—J. Biddle, factor, Birming ham, July 8, at eleven, at Dee's Royal Hotel, Birmingham—R• Gough, corn factor, Newbury, Berkshire, July 2, at eleven, at the George Inn, Reading—W. House, wine merchant, Bri e water, Somersetshire, July 5, at two, at the Commercial R o o ms , B r i s tol-- P. de Llano and P. Rull, merchants, Liverpool, July 2, at three, at the Office of Mr. T. Davenport, solicitor, Liverpool—T. Wals h, linen draper, Bath, July 5, at eleven, at the Commercial Row" , Bristol. CERTIFICATES.—Jurx 8. J. Williams, tailor, Strand—W. H. Lynass, surgeon , St. He len's, Lancashire—R. Lubbock, shipbuilder, Great Yarmouth—T . B. Atkinson, jeweller, Baker-street l Uoyd-square—D. L. Cohen. grocer Great Yarmouth—J. 111a7,p and J. E. Clarke, timber mer chants, Birmingham. PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED. S. Payne and J. Daft, attorneys-at-law, Nottingham—J. Hutton and J. Taylor, brewers, Liverpool—G. Deane and G. Edwards , drapers, Yeovil, Somersetshire—J. Barnes and J. Jessop, hat. ma nufacturers, Norton Folgate—J. Dawson and A. Thornber, cord wainers, Blackburn, Lancashire—J. F. Holmes and R. Turner-- T. Needham and G. Liggins, hosiers, Hinckley, Lancashire —A . Cutler and J. Hill, tin plate dealers, Threadneedle-street—H . Jewesson and A. G. Battie, merchants, Fenchurch-street—G. terson and A. Heather, agents, Wood-street, Cheapside—J. Jones. T. Herbert, J. Ball, and J. Ball, jun., coach proprietors, Birken head, Cheshire—H. Whitfield and J. Bladon, joiners, Heaton Nor ris, Lancashire—J. G. Cooper and G. C. Haworth , manu facturers, Manchester—H. Ward and T. Eskrett, e: - .tinghow e keepers, York—W. and H. Richards, platers, BirmiugharnH - Nuttall and J. Smith, brass founders, Liverpool—D. Lodge anandd J . Schofield, bleachers, Woolford, Bury, Lancashire—D. , Wright, worsted spinners, Thornton, I orkshire—W. Fo s ter an d Arrowsmith, japanners, Birmingham—E. Sparshall and M r . Cubitt, wine merchants, Norwich—L. Ardern and W. Goolaufh linen drapers, Stockport—J. Mapleston, R. Woodworth, and J- Watkin, Huddersfield, Yorkshire. INSOLVENT DEBTORS' COURT. The Matters of the Petitions and Schedules of tilt Prisoners hereinafter named (the same having been filed. the Court) arc appointed to be heard, at the Court-house, in Portugal" street, Lincoln's Inn-fields on TUESDAY. Jrtne 14, 1936, at Nine o'clock in the Forenoon. Raphael, H., St. Martin's-lane, dealer in jewellery. Fisher, W., Talton, near Bath, grocer. Rowell, I'., John-street, Tottenham-court -road, butcher. Denkin, J., Trafalgar-street, Walworth, cl er k i n th e E xc ise-o.c e. Woodfield, T., Cross-street, Finsbury, clerk to a horse-clealer. Clark, W. T., Great Tikchfield-street, Oxford-market, oil -map' Sapio ' L. D., Cheltenham, tea c he r of s i ng i ng . Wood, J., Cranaeld, Bedfordshire, farmer. Thomson, J., Huggin-land, Wood-street, warehouseman. Mitchell, IL, Arlington-street, Sadler's Wells, surgeon. Agnew, A., Great Yarmouth, mariner. WARRANTED 7 WA T CH I:7; The most accurate construction ix the Patent Detached Lever. The flattest is the Horizontal, The cheapest is the Vertical• .PRICES AT T. COX SAVORY'S, Watch Manufuturer, 47, Cornhill, London. ( F.very Watch is warranted.) PAFENT LEVER WATCHES. SILVER CASES. _ _ _ With double bottom Cases With Hunting Cases . .R 6 6 6 6 16 COLD CASES. 0 Size for Ladies, with Gold Dial Size for Gentlemen, with Enamel Dial ....... The above are with the latest improvemova i. e. the d etlc t h b• escapement, jewelled in four holes, car de d, 'hand to n'a rk seconds, and maintaining power to continue while winding al ) * HORIZONTAL FLAT WATCHES. SILVER CASES With jewelled movements, very flat ..£5 GOLD CASES. With well-finished movements, jewelled, double bottom, engine-turned cases 99 6 0 Ditto, jewelled in four holes, w ith ex t ra strong eases ll 11 VERTICAL WATCHES. SILVER CASES. With jewelled, capped movements, in double bottomed 4 0 0 cases Ditto, with second-hand movement s 3 0 %ol Ditto, with cases not quite so m o d ern T. COX SAVORY, Working Goldsmith, Silversmit h, Watchmaker, 47, Coruhill. London. • -BIRTHS. On the 4th inst., at Monteviot, the Marchioness of Lothian, ro dal On 00 0 ' On the 7th lust., Mrs. Taylor, of 3fecklenburgh-spare, 0 ' 3. th , On the 4th inst., at Bal e a s kie, th e lady of Sir R. A. An S tTU er Bart., of a son. F 4 of q. On the sth inst., the lady of Alexander Atherton Park, a son. . oc, i . '' On the it..h i - nst., at St. B MAR.IIIED e otol di's, Ald atthe Rev. J ohn ( wood, M. A., o f Spitaltields, to I Caroline g , eld ' er daug hter o• 'Air Dean of Alkate. • "'' On the 7to inst., at St. Bride's, Fleet-street, John Perrier, ,_ 0 , of liavre-de-Grace, to Anne, daughter of the late C. C hain Esq., Don. East India Company's service Oti the Bth inst., at Lambeth Church, ;and afterwards in the 10" man Catholic Chapel, Warwick-street, John Charles Louis I%l'l:jeer; of Keuninuton, to Emilie Catharine, eldest. d aug hter or '7; ss Saportas, Esq., Consul of his Alajesty the King of Prus''''' Antwerp. lialll' On the 7th inst., at Stanton-Drew , Somerset , William 1 7 - - ie 0 , Esq , of Berners-strect, to Sara h Ellen, daughter of IL E..q., of Stanton-Wick. qraitb , On the sth inst., at St. Mary's, Islington, Mr. 'Robert -, . th , of Cumberland-terrace, Lloyd-square, son of the Rev. lt• S- of of Kiugswood, to Maria, youngest daughter of C. Chubb, EA' Barnsbitry-park, Islington. ,-..- good* 'On the 2d inst., at St. Mary's, Bryanstone-squarc, ••••• s., - Esq., of Brighton, to Mary Ann, lain, Esq., of the same place. On the 7th inst., at Richmond, William Bouverie Pusev.rl.: youngest $Oll of the late lion. P. Pusey, to Catherine, secor.dd• L i b ' ter of T. Freeman, Esq. ______.-----'•• daughter of the late T. Chaim, r -______ On the sth inst , acred On the 6th inst 10, Rebecca, wife of T. tisborne, Fol.' of Gillwell Ilouse;E;;( t o L f ittl il, e as : h, !:a to, l , i ,, F i; On the y 4th inst.s '1‘1; - . • Charles Robinson, of Roche.ter 1100' •• inst., • Peter Watson, Esq., of Cheltenham, f° . anal, youngest son oit , at Seaton Carew, Durham, aged 18, -0,_.,,,„ Chanel, w cordate, We ' ReV. Edward Whitclock, of St. Jlindie99 ( P On the ' t 4ll nst., aged 3, John, elder son of Mr. J. Clar:: , 6 orlWeend, Enfield. Alexander, the 23(1 of January, at Calcutta, aged 3•2, Jam" Willi l Alexander, Esq, s of the Bengal Civil Service, eldest sou, of Bober Alexander, .13..5q„ of Gloucester -place, Portinan-squrxe. OA OW :Ist of February at Meerut, in Bengal, the. lady of Captslin My;] me, of the 11th Dragoons. On the Ist of April, aged 38, Henry Fay* Esq., of Goui, rsal St. Ann's, Jamaica. , l, On the 6th i n st., at Connaught-terrace, Etl;,,,eWare-road, Euirioit,i,,e youngest son of the late T. Lemitput, Esq., of Castle Fogerty, il county of Tipperary, r eet• On the 6th vo,s,i,„ aged 5, Mr. John, SitillWay, of Oxford-st rts_ On the Atli in - st., at Lewes, Susse, the infant sun of Thot IV lai'4oo, Esq. London : Printed and P i ne[ by All/RDO YO d coun t y 112, °fccoty 112, Strand, at Ile S.;‘,/i , No. 112, Stran, in the of Middlesex. `..~