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spelt-o . step, but he would-point but the sort of_ modifi catkin- v. ireh he could wish to see'he i cpted. He was ot opinion that it wbuld have been' well to have , tabitituted ottlethifig of this nature "'That this Hou , ,e cannot but epress regretatluch a report. having 'been made to his Majesty, not through the rcgiihsr' chabiael, but privately, without anyinfor , ti , ioion on the subje& being communicated either to lit Nlajtstfs'servants or to the Admiral comMand lig the naval part of the Expedition; and is of opi- Tien voat such conduct -ought to be discouptenanced as highly injurious tolhe .Crown, Aid as -having 'a &mgero'is tendency, &c."—Such, according to his might have been, or might- even then be. made: - As it stood he could not vote for it, as he thainght it infinitely too severe - ; he, ! linwever, could not' but vote against , the previous .qttes i tinn:" Mr: BaTnuasz• spoke at sorrie„length on, the . - to , ject„.but from the situation in which, : he stood, we tiot - distinctly hear. the greater'part ot his spi-cca. According to the views , lie had taken of lie i,titution, the - condu&-Of Lord Chathain was 11 , 4 c.aistitutional. .The conduct of a Commander in Chief who,.employed in a combined Expedition, asie' - u ., e of the privilege of access to the King, ,which he enjoyed as a Privy Councillor, to submit to .his Majesty a narrative of his proceedings, un kr•oatl to his colleagues, and requesting that that co,iimunication might be kept secret for a time, without-any limitation, and which period extended . •to More. than a Month, abused the privilege of ac cess to the Royal Perspn, and warrar ted the applica tion of the epithet ". unconstitutional" to his con duct. He thought •it:the duty of the H,,use to take the strongest measures for preventinglhe re currence of such a. circumstance, and concluded by de - cluing hiS intention of voting against the previous que,tion. Mr. Owati, adverting to the manner .in which the profession . of which. be was a member in general rock up charges of this rlature, observed,. that clear nOss and attention to the definite object. guided' them -; but here the charges against the Noble Earl were too vague and indefinite. He could not see what principle ot the Constitution •A'as, difejted by the (widget of the Noble Earl. The principle of tes;hausibtlity was not affeaed, because it had been said that the condud the Noble Earl' was merely erroneous. On the:other side it had 'been . aigued that it was unconstitutional: In this view of the caie. his difficulty was increased', and he thought that .the previous question would be the most pro -per mode of disposing of the question. • , , .Lord. CASTLEREAGH' observed, that there were I,apers in theposseSsion of the. Noble Earl - which' the HP'tise had not a right to'&naltd. With re sp. 6tto: the Narrative obtained 'front ahe Throne,• tile House was bound to discharge the•diaty-it owed to the country, Looking a>< that paper, he did not thit.k that the Noble Earl had any unjust or un ecoerous-inotive when he delivered it to the King. • Willi no-Irlitation on his mind, he was disposed to , look at the subject under:distussion as' a dryxonsti , -totiettil question: Beyond this.--opinion he was fixed not to go, and he thought -the House ought not to :adopt any vindictive measure. He had no hesitation in : saying, the conduit of the Noble Earl wes not unconstitutional, and that if it was suffered to oa:is unnoticed, 'might be dangerous 'to the Con :siltation. He had no wistr-to tr;ivet LAI Uugli till , StIWI, but . he would say it was rat uncoristiL * outional„ because.. he acquitted the Noble Earl of any sinistr. niotive. The papef tiad been presented as a mere confidential statement, and when : the Noble - Earl gave it to the King, he did not give it a Privy Counsellor, with advice to accede to it.- What was the situation of the King with reipea to on the present accasion. - But there were some p'oints I to which he wished to advert. .His Rt. Hon. Friend, Canning) _had - stated, that he thought • the course taken of moving the former question was an improper one, and that it was not even favourable to the-NOble Lord, because it would leave the-•cities tion respecting his conduCt in .a vague undecided situation, which would be -mach More injurious to the Noble Lord than a' resolution exaCtlrdaining the extent . to which' bis conduct was repreheniible. He certainly could - not agree to that .propositidn, for - he could not conceive that'tord Chatham would be placed in a better situation by having a direa , L. :Vote of censure passed against him, than he would 'be if the House were to determine that this-was a kind'of case which they might fairly dispose of b y the previoui question: His Right Hon. Friend did not think that, striEtly speaking, the term un constitutional ought to be applied to Lord Chat ham's conduct, why then 1:vOnld he'vote for a Reso lution that conveyed - that charge ? He really'was at , a lass to account for the line of conduct which some GenTlemen seemed determined to ad'opt,they thought :it of great importance that the House should express an opinion upon Lord • Chathanfg" conduct, 'and yet they were content. to give their support to Re solutions which contained 'language . much stronger than what they thought was proper. Some -Gen tlemen seemed to think that. these Resolutions . ' might be followed by severe consequences; • surely then, if that were the case, 'it was most important that Gentlemen should be careful that the Resolu tions should not be 'couched in language stronger than they really thought the nature of , the case re quired. He felt,.upon the best - view that he could give to this, subjeet . , that this was a case of error, but it was a ease' of venial _error; and - one, which had not been followed by any practical Incon 'venience, and under such circumstances he thought . that the most proper course .for the House to pursue would be to dispose of the subje6t by the previous, question. He. :wished, dis tinttly to ask Gentlemen what were the grounds upon which they attributed such. criminality to Lord Chatham ; was it •from the' mere circumstance of having delivered the paper to his Majesty ? He was ready to meet them.upon, that ground, and to contend, that if Lord Chathatii had for the first time, .on- the 14th of February, delivered that paper to,his Majesty, unaccompanied by a request of se crecy, there would. hae been nothing unconstitu tional in the act. .The application for secrecy tvas certainly improper; but surely Oentlemen did n - ot mean to contend that is make a coma unication to his Majesty with ,a, request, of secrecy was, alr-` straaedly speaking, an unconstitutional - aa. 'Sup pose a- person (whether a Privy Counsellor .or not was of no importance): should communicate 'to his Majesty information conspiracrformed - for the overthrow of the State, with a request 'that- his Ma jesty would' divulge the circumstance for the present,' lest the Conspirators might find out their designs were. detected, would any -man .Contend that such couthi6l would be unconstitutional ? yet ; that was the natural inference that - might be deriv-- ed..from some of the arguments which had been used by different Gentlemen. " He had before ad tnitted -that Lord Chatham's conclutl.was erroneous, mi.as injudicious, but certainly it was not unconsti i tntion,i Annie Gentl;men on the orlier side of the House. lead nrisundetstood °hint when- they sup posed him to.. say • .that - he had - . formed the determination never again ~to consent that -. a Ca= • binet Minister should command" an 'Expe. dition, in.. consequence of Lord Chatham's having delivered that Narrative,-that was not the ground upon which he formed that opinion. -He thought great inconvenience resulted from unititigt the two Characters, standing in the relation as it Were, of tnaster and servant, the Governmenti6Command, and Ili?. Officer to obey. -It was the inconvenience arising from. this contusion of characters that in- - duced him to form the determination which had been alluded to. Upon the whole he trusted that .the House would look narrowly at the quality, of the a& committed, before they passed a censure; that if 'they did not think Lord 'Chatham's condu6l unconstitutional, they would not say so, and that if they thought that the ,Noble Lord had rrot been actuated by bad nuitives,-- and that no . :had conse quence bad ensued from what he had done, they ♦would agrep' 'with him in voting for the previous question. information at the opening of Parliament His Majesty had stated in his Speech, that h had di- JeCted to be laid before both Houses information're ., speaing the Expedition to the Scheldt, and when he Narrative was' put in the - "King's hand, it was vat *holy that the papers and information laid 'be ore Parltatnent could be affedte - d by it. He.diii not. elus l to tote censure on the Noble Earl, and while be whiled that censure to be mild, he did not hesi tate to say, he was persuaded that the Noble Earl had acted inadvertently. Mr. WINDHAM thought ! the condu& of Lord Chltitam improper and blameable, but he doubted • whethCr it was unconstitutional. He, however, thought that the House should mark its disappro 7 bation, and therefore he should vote for the Resolu tions. . . ITBR EA D replied,. and observed, that the Noble'Lord had not tound one Gentleman to de fend his condua -in the course of the long debate.— His conduct was contrary to the spirit and genius of ,the British COnstitution. The Right. Honourable Gentleman who spoke last, .had desired Gentlemen who did not like his Resolutions, to xote for the previous question, He did not know the principles •of the Constitution were to be, learned by rote, till he heard, with amazement, .the speech of the nourable Gentleman on the floor (Mr. Banks). . It appeared now that there was, a secret between the King and the. Noble Earl which was not known to those men who still-wi,hed to 'keep the Ntble _Earl in power% The .Narrative could never have been • made public if . the , InqUiry had not been. Com. menced. How, -then; were the, House to- know that the Noble Earl desired publicity ? He had the right to presume that the part Of the Narrative erased contained "in• opinion t hat Sir R. , Strachan 'ought not again to be employed ; but that was a se cret still in the lloyel breast. lf,*ag an Honourable and Learned 'Gentlemen said, those on his (Mr. W.'s)'side of tlie. House were an 0. P. faction, they were right, for the playhouse 9: P.'s had at least law and justice on their side., Ai to turning the Mi nisters out, he did not know where to find • them, for it was only the semblance of an Adminiitration, and it was uleless to pursue a phantom. They were like Punch in th,e show, who,-, though stabbed, always rose and exclaimed, ‘ I am not hurt." The . Getaltmen evposite. were stabbed often enough,' .but to no efl'ect. The Hon. Gentleman concluded with declaring, that he stood up in that House as fhe. advocate. of millions, to protect their birth right-J.-the Constitution. • • The CHANCELLOR of the 'Excitop.uE,tt said, that after listening with attention. to T the speech of the %_ Right_ Hon. 'Gentleman, he . cerifinly, Kas surprised al hi 3 determination to vote in support Of-theslielo . lutions, because his speech contained the. - strongest and most convincing arguments against them. The Right Hon. Gentleman_ had declared that, in his. opritio'ti, the coriduet•of Lord Chatham was not un constitutional, except in a loose and, colloquial sense of- that word, and yet he declared him Self deter4s ed solemnly to record upon the Jourtials of House a severe censure for unconstitutional con duct, and that too against an individual not actuated ..in bis opinio6 by. - any improper motive in the con duct whiCh he pursued, He could very well ander - staud the grounds-upon which; otrerGentlemen on the opposite side of the House voted for the Resolutions : they ,tbdught the. conclud. of Lord Chatham not • constitutional, in delivering that paper to 'his Se they thought the applieatitin for secrecy, 'was highly improper, - they thought the paper deli vertxl, contained a charge against- the gallant Admi ral employed in the Expedition; upon these grounds it - w.ts vet) natural that they should vote .for the Re,. siptions.i. but how the Right Hon. Gentleman, whO did "bot thi-ok Lord Chatham's cqndUC - 1 wasuncon 7 .51 titional, except in .o. loose And.colloquial sense, who did not think the applica!ji>9.- for secrecy :was improper, wtio did not think er e i , any charge againaC.. Sir Richard Stiachan, could notwithstanding vote for the; Reso lutious lie could not:conceive. It appeared _to him quite obvious that it was Lord Chatham's objeel, its dcawiog up this Nartativ.e, to give it . publicity, though lie might wish that it should be kept secrot: f r a time: Lord Chatham- meat.: that Narrative • f r a defence, and it was absurd to suppose that •he c uld derive any benefit fr om 4 defence which °was n .ver to be made public. Having on , a former night stated his sentiments generally upon the question, I;tiould not occupy much of thelitne of the House Generil iA)k - TUS and General .GROSVENOR- op. posed tht.: Resolutions. The quesuun aas nowloudly called for, and the House divided •on the inotiou for ' the previous question._ Ayes, sBS.—Noes, 221.—Majority against the previous question, 33. Government last night received dispatches from Cadiz, dated the r,"th ult. They ' contain, we un derstand, nothing more than an, account of the ar rival of. 2500 British and 1500 Portuguese troops at Cadiz. We have, hoWever, been favoured with a Letter from an Officer on board one of our ships of war in Cadiz harbour, dated on the igth ult.-which states, "that the French are.unremitting in their attempts to obtain Cadiz by stratagem or by negociation; but that the Spaniards'are most firm in their answers.— The Letter addsi• that the enemy are going on rapidly with theiT.preparationi,.and that their prin cipal force seems to bedireeted against the Bridge at the Isla, which is very strong, and being ,now reinforced with wind English artillery, will; it is supposed, be able to make a formidable resis tance to the enemy. The enemy are alsia endea vowing to repair the fortifications at Santa. Catalina ; but the boats belonging to our squadron impede their progress, and it is expected that one of the line of battle ships will be brought to batter them. The -British troops were,receired at Cadiz with the ut . most joy, and so -far from evincing any jealousy up. on . the occasion, the Spaniards only, seemed to re gret d • that Vivre were not more of them. The French have got possession of Algesiras, and have cut off the communication between. Gibraltar and Cadiz. L2tters were yesterday received from .Holland, which state, that king Louis has been compelled to resign the Crowo.'of Holland; and that the wilo,le of the United Provinces are annexed to France: Last night a long and interesting 'debate took place in the House of Commons, upon Mr, WHIT BREAD'S Resolutions respeeling Lord CHATHAM.- Tile pivicius question, which. was moved upon the Resolutioni, was negatived 'by a majority of 221 to 188. The first Resolution, containing a mere de tail of faEts, was then agreed to without a division. LOlll% ON r Printed by RICHARD HARRIS, or No. 4, Mattlett-court, BOW-street Prblished by WILLIAM ARMIGER Scams, South MGM& At.tle-Strri-.opFics,..NO. I ti, &rat tl;_ where Advertisements, Orders for the Paper, Letters for the Editor, Stc. (port-pdia), nAust be While the division was going forward, the CfrAN• CIiLLOR of the EXCiIEGUREI requested the Members who were out not to go away, as there might be another division. Strangers were_ not re-admitted, but we were given to understand that Mr. Whitbread's_ first resolution, was carried without a division-.-It was as follows , " That it_ appears to, this House, that John Earl of Chatham, having requested his'Majesty to 'per mit him,to present his report to his Majesty, and having also requested that his Majesty would not communicate it for the present, did, on the Es.h of January last, privately transmit to his Majesty a paper, bearing date the 15th of Oetober preceding, and purporting to be - a Narrative of his Proceedings as Commander in Chief of his Majesty's land forces' in the late Expedition to the Scheldt, and that he withheld all knowledge thereof, both from his Majesty's Mi• nisters and the Admiral commanding in the said Ex pedition, whose conduct is materially implicated in the said Narrative—that the same was, on the 10th day of February last, returned to him by his Ma jesty's command, in consequence of his own request,' and that on the 14th of Februarylie again tendered -- the- said 'Narrative to his Majesty, the same having been previously altered by 'the suppression sof..a pa t - graph containing matter of.opinion, the sqbstance of which this House, by the/ examination of the' said Earl, has been unable to ascertain." ' The second Resolution was then put as follows • • " That the Earl of Cha tham"by such private cornmu nication to his Majesty, accompanied by such - desire of secrecy, did unconstitutionally abuse the privi vilege of access to his Sovereign, and thereby afford ed an example most pernicious in its tendency to' his Majesty's service, and the general interest of the , State." • :Mr. CANNING rose,. an.d proposed a more miti gated resolution in lieu of the 2d resolution moved by Mr. Whitbread, in which "Mr. Whitbread not only' acquiesced, but seconded the motion. This. motion was also agreed towithout a division. Mr. WHITBREAD next rowed, that the Reso tions agreed to be laid before his Majesty, by such Members as were of his Majesty's Most Huno&able PriVy Connell ; upon which: some Members ex claimed, " By the whole House." This proposition called vp Mr; - WILBERFORCE and Mr. B. BATHURST; both of whoth concUrredin the wish that nothing of heat or personality should ap pear upon , the proceedings of the House. That the main object had been obtained by recording on the Jotirnals of the House the sense they. entertained of the transa4ion in a constitutional point - of vieW - , ant that proceeding any further would 9ot be for thesdig4 nity of the 'House. Mr. WHITBREAD coincided in the propriety of this observation, and declared himself perfealy•sa tisfied in haVing carried the Constitutional question, which was, all he had at heart. He should therefore cheerfully swiihdraw- his motion with the permission of. the House, and. he withdrew it accordingly: The other Orders of the'aiy were then disposed of, and die:House adjourned at Thee o'Clock this morning. MAILS. ARRIV En—l Gottenbutch. I Lisbott. i Cadiz. 2 Dublin. z Watcrford.—llu E 3 Gotteuburgil. • , PRICE 'OF sTocKs THIS DAY AT.TWYLVZ O'CLOCK.. Consols - . f Reds Ann. - - 6SI T a S U N. 30LEM QUIS DICLRS FALSOM AUI:IZAT LONDON, TUESDAY• MARCH 6, 1810. Mr. '4IIIII3IIrAD withdrew his second Resolotiotit and , modified one, suggdsted by Mr. ChitorritG , was adopted in its place. , We, this•day received one Gotfenburgh Mail, one from Cadiz, and one from Lisbon' We have - , tradled some of the contents of the latter 'two. O n intelligence from - Stockholm, which la dated Feb, oth, relates to a peputatiOn of the States of the Empire to the King, thanking him for his effat tl in favour of the country, and promising to seco nd I them by their own exertions; and his Maiesiiig answer to the same effeet. , ',ATOP EXTRACT OF A LETTER FROM OPORTO, DATBP FEBRUARY .18. . . "Colonel THANT -set out on Friday for Braga , whence he will proceed to Salamurdy, where be will take theconimand of 3400 men'appOinted for the defence of the pass at that place, which is said to so strongthat 100 men may defend it against t 2,000 i it will likewiSe be strengthened by additiOnal fora' fications. Bragania was plundered a few dassincebi a French foraging party, who, however, after takigT what . they 'could find, retired: P. S. Faa.. (),—ACCOLInts from. Almeida, tbat appear to deserve credit, say, that NET,,with to,ooo mehja at St. Felice de HinoJosse, and that .11/Not, with 1 5,000 men, has entered Gallicia. According to accounts.from Vixen,_ Lord WELLINGTON WaS to march to day. to attac)c.NEY." The head-quarters of Lord WELLINdTo s r? vi eee ‘ this day (Feb. 04.) at .Vozen, Whence he , maY a d : vance towards any points the enemy may threaten.. _The sum of 16001. was yesterday paid into the Exchequer, by tha direction of Mr. PERCEVAL, to - WIMID it had come inclosed in an anonymous leiter!. describing it to.be the amount of certain duties which. ,had been omitted to be paid, and of which the pee ;son who sent it was anxious not to defraudtbe Pub' lie. A •sum of 2001. received in a Similar manlier, was paid into the Exchequer by Mr. PR R EVA War mouths ago. • •-• Letters from Abo slate, that the Russiaiti troop in Finland have been guil , y of great excesses , J 3 forcibly, taking the young men of the country from their homes., and incorporating them, in the °ni l,: In consequence dt some resistance having bee — made to this cruel and arbitrary Measure,,abotat 700 per Sons of every.age and sex, it is said, were barba rously massacred by the soldiers. Mr. H CAVENDISH has died worth one million two hundred thousand pounds ; seven hundred thou. 7 sand of which are bequeathed to Lord GEORGE CA' VENDISH, two hundred thousand to the Earl of BO" 'BOROUGH,' and the remainder in legacies to other branches - of the DEVti..NSFIIRE family.—He was the largest holder of Bank Stock in England. Lord aci% Mayor, itodar peel;. y, Th orderedteheqpuraircree roof loafpr The vs Le .rl ' i t b l e ten be is. 3d. POIi.T . SMOUTn", MA ca s.—Came in this day pl. Majesty's ship Sarpedon, from the Downs. Sailed his Majesty's ship Cyane, with a con voy • for the Mediterranean ; Rattler and Hardy for Lisbon ;. Donegal, Royal Oak, and ' Glen - Owen dower, for a cruize . 'off Cherbourgh ; S c y lla, on a cruize ; and Herring and 'Leda, for Guernsey, `With a convoy. ' FALMOUTH, - MARCH 3,--Arrived this 'day, th e Lord Hobart packet, HAMILTON, with mails froql Cadiz, 12 days passage, at which time 3000 British troops had arrived from Lisbon ; 1500 more were expedted from-Gibraltar, it r the gen er4l° nion of the people that the force was sufficient t° ,defend Cadiz against any attack by land. .111°, French were eretling batteries on every pa) C O.L th y ' coast; the Spaniards were seen daily at work. fille Spanish ships, eight sail of the line and two friga te° ;. were moored'outside of the . tritish. The sailing t the Toulon fleet w4s not known When the pacl'eci • left Cadiz, The French force in .the neighbottril° oil of Cadiz are said to be almost 3o,ooo.aleu: -the 17th ult. an .attack was mane at the entrance ° " c the Leon by 6000 men, but a strong detachment 9! -- British Artillery soon put 'theit to the rout. 11° Diana had 'arrived Out,•.and sailed on , the 19th 11 1 t. for Gibraltar. -Also arrived an American brig from Bari-Judi, 27 'days pissage; no news. Sailed tbeArethusa frigate; 36 g uns, ,Capt,l ll n os/ on a .cruize. • 11 &CLOCK,. P. M.—The Mar/borough Pac.l"et is this Moment arrived from Lisbon. ' DEL, s.—Salled the. whole of the °tit ont,waid huund. under e64ivoy of his Majesty shiPs Redpote and Poi-dargus, for Portsmouth. Came down &Om the River his Majesty'sshiP Dolphin. Sailed the Audacious for Portsmouth.' • MARRIED. Tho' ma.S DA): Vicar, Robert• Blackburn Esq 4 of N l3- deira to Mary, daughter or the late Rcv. At Rochdale, on Saturday the 3 d inst. b y the Re v. A.M. • ?I'laoinas i- DIED: • • Chesterbill, near Belford, on Saturday the 'l,4th' F e .: bruary, Adam Yelloly, Esq. much and deservedly lamented, To say the least, he was an humble uulist;t man : he cli e t `; ,unmarried, and his fortune, which is considerablg , g cs d. William Watson, Esq. of . W.iiren-House, Norrirttniber lan i. On Friday last, the zd inst. Mr. Robert Ganne t of SPi t3 square, in the 76th year or his age. Street, Grosycur tquate, acidresso ' • !ft ' , ~~ ~= NN . ~ ~I be , j„ 14, ( T i Earn: