The Sun. — London, England, 1810-04-14 00:00:00

Ttie not lilt t. received about one-iltrdr of the tytheii and thg number cif pigfesittigAireient.ieligiOns iri Clergy the other two-thirds ; but instead of teCeite Ireland, bee tune he did not think th'64! Litt! .any frig mate-tenth, they did not receive, in slame cases application to the qtiestion before :he Hotee, tHough above one-twentieth, and in seaters, above one he should haVe no difficulty in ehetaing that -the thirtieth. Bett in any plan proposed for the relief of Hari , Gentlernen was in tfiany instances erroneous: lii • Chergy, shat plan must be founded, weep. the But he believed that persons of all cleScriptines e.'ere principle: of Vick betng . intitled to one-tenth.. Here anxious .to apply some remedy to this evil,'as they then .1) 1 ,:as one great 'difficulty ; be did not mean to considered it. Whether he agreed with them upon gay' the di ffi culty was insuperable, but it, 1111 . 14 that poibt or n o t, s till be f e lt t h at i t.was the duty of be obvious to every Gentlsneatt that` it was an • obe Governihnt to allay eyed a- pie judice, o: -0 SheW steale which:4' would not be very es' too, get over, that tlWy had done emery thing hotheir power to re it Unnoutit:dly was the duty, aed it• certainly wee move the cause of the complaint: But he thought • the sincere. wish ef his .Alajasty's Mil,isters, to en- it would" be highly improper to into the Commit- deavour to get over these didieelties, alai_ to .adopt, tee Without having previonsly a rational chance of ; 1 f they could, a plan whiCli would do justice to all -success ; if they were to do go' s - - theyt would excite a parties, amid give general Sat-isl.t(lion i .but - he watt flam e of expectation throughout Ireland, Which they cure that the House s would agree, with him, that would not find it. very easy to allay. He had shown `4.would, be highly improper tes.give. hopes and to that the Phil nropesed - by the Hon. Gentleman: was eapetiatioes, when there wee ,not feir and attended with insuperable difficulty. The Honour= rational chance el accomplishing the object in view: able Gentleman had deelated that none of the plans. • An - Oilier difficuLy s .and sserieus,orte teo„Was, that w hi c h had b e e n p rev i ous ly proposed met With his "hi different parts of I , el end tythes tarere s paid in dif- approbetion; under these circumstances, he confese s lerent ways. In some places tytties were paid upon ...ed 'he did not see any ehzince of succeeding .in the Potatoes, in othersehey were not. In short,- there object which they all had in view by going into the Naere so many tliersioes, 'lvrea would be most cliff- Coremitted at pre§ent, he thereloye. felt himself tticult td frame any general system that would eine bound, though Very reluaantlY, to oppose the raCe -N=t man, he was. sure, could sup, motion. POSe thAthGovertiment were not disposed.te alleviate Sir Jotter NEWPORT contended, that his Majesty's The Siltferings of the peopie, it they did suffer ;, out Ministet l s were bound to ,grant the motion, as a rot svottl - d • roe unf ..roir not to tak into considetae weans of sati . sfyiug the people that the expeetatiOns, torteell the difficulties' that pre,,euted themselves, which they had so repeatedly held out, would be - great difficuOy, was, that the landlorda got realized. If it should not turn out, upon inquiry, - 2 !lhre or thee. - lands than .thee ought to get, that the nicest:lre was impalaicaele e still the people ' end, In his en' Scieni-e he be:Levert that that WAS - ,wouid be satiefied, b e cause they would then see lhe chef cause of th e dissatistact•en thatsubsisted,. that Ministers were d e eir o us o f a t . le as t Making the la he . plans kvh;ch had la en most strongly re- tr i a l . . Year after year : th e sa m e a s stem o f d e l us ion 'Commended . in order to reme , e the. complaints re- had been practised, acid "the Ri,,bt Hon. Gentleman ty, ' was, that of leasiog them; but he again oarne forw=ard to say, the. , after the recess o , he s con , , ioced, thai when Gentlemen loeked at the 'would turn his attention to cite subject. It was upon of Ir e land,. the would agree with him in the promise that ientodificationpf tithes shoUld take vi kin e th e t t o giv e power to,- the incumbent. to place, that Mr. Pitt carried the, pSojea of the 'Lillian. itha. t ejyt for a .eitain number of years, would T eo y.:arshad elapsed Since that measure was car te! 'if rd any adequate relief'. In considering this Pied effect, and the erieVance • still remains--a c be- had ot tear -e endeaventhjalb'• ` - grasses:es; great indeed, fur it went to exOucle the f t -at every qoarter, and among ethetet, '•• fiat froth ate, oppression of the tax , and amply had .applteil to the Clergyman of th e p aris h • krievad 'the poor. :If Gentlemen should contend •in wlecer is house sieods and asked himethe nthat- that tio 'tgagereent was entered itito tor a modal ber o•• tiotil 3,V h on] he received tythe,s. The catioe, he was - repared to prove, by evidence et ' ;raw er ~c r ec e iv ed ease:that the number sell° paid flie Bar, the contrary to - be the feet. He' would tattles let year. %vas - A.937. .This seemed to be a prOVO that ihducernents to carry the Union, such kale nemeer ; 'but the Clergyman added-in his lets , as he sßatt stated, were not.only made covertly, but •th it ' , the tvtlies.ot a very. great proportion of 6pedly—in one room to the .Catholics, and in an . tlie'e - .I:AuLLS to to-shillings: other to the Psotestants. The people off. Ireland 'om tete statement, lee House would at once see have a claim; they, imperiously call upon Parlia the deb; uttv of grant rig leases' . of .yitieS. The latent to fulfil the engagement Which Ministers had Clergyman would ic•l trical to ee" hat is called in Ire- made with them. If inquiry was refused,. the l attd-aetticalleensens-tnat at-ratan avotild let -theM . sto . peace of the country was not t o h e tr ifl e d with, but a llotaer, aid soon, .d the person who was to pay endangered. By acceding t o it th e s t re ngth of the the tyt,,e,. (sae shilling, -- Would have. to eouritry would be increased, and its grievances heals PaY tine or six. ,The Hon Gently - reels,. in his plan Theßigh t . H .on. Baronet called upon the friends fo U.abolishing -- tyttiese seerne:l to elnok it necessary , of Air. Pitt to proted - his name from reproach, to ! 0 asceretio,. not what the whole value of the ts !hes trea d i n hi s steps, and to Carry ioto effete that mea •• was bat What was the ii t valne of • sure which lie promised to thd pe o ple of Ireland as t he icvin , , ansle ben t slay a tax opt ti ' . he people to rte rice of the: Union-a Modification of. tithes. 4 S' the. 'CI I . gytuan the value of - this flee eeeitsi.— Let his Successors flu hit engagements. The .4 -low trn m toisetet 4.ceipt, the Hon. Gentieinan Right Hou. Gentleman (Mr. Pole) had exemerated ia the. tio;t histan e, acChrlieg to his own tne'Clerey at the ex'pence of the gentry of Ireland, rsitici p l e, h ave to dedUct-tythes pai•l : , iex:eeine- ficen any share in th d grieVatice. With all Peuer p Whom be :meam.tosexo e a earceo his (Sir John's) respea - t - for the Clergy, lie did " l 'is hurtle:tr. dud this-tax w+ s-tO he laid iii soch.a not think it became the Right Honourable Gen- Wa .Y•• aceordingeo the H•ni..o estleatan's plan; that tletmiti to run down 'a- whole body of men, and ta. e ,• - . . s - ertnoli e s i< ere. pay ti aetetilly know- , holding - them up as lettiog or canting their lands to .• '"a'll . -satiesy, vent litres - sit eketeCeettt. had horns If the highest bidder. Whatever might be the fad • '' t .leatied flee the Catlorli s were. COUsOlced of the in that respect, and the Right Hon. Gentleman had 3astiee et. p,oerrg, tyt hes, - aed esrt ti Ay thee were eo alluded to Watertbrd county as an instance, he had i • lrearniflV - hri paid the t thee more cheer- to .observe that he had nothing to do With-it. He ' os iti llY•thati the Catholics did` 'Bet lie begged the had ,no property in that county: but in those ' 4 ° ll st. t•• •coalide , 'time iu-ease ot this pin as it re- counties where he 'had, he could assure the House B Pected tLe Cele: s emen. The.Houourabl, G title- that he never canted an acre of land, nor turned-out ratan wcued - first pay hire, n t - ac..ortling to the full 'an old tenant. With respect to the _grievance of lithruet of ' t he 'yi .es, but acc or ding or t h e net va-: letting lands at' high rates, to be sure the H o u se ae of tie g. i\L'av he b. gged time Homan-able could not interfere ; but that was no arguthent why to "PP'y that Prit'ciPle to the palish . the House sheuld not interfere to redress anoe, zuieli he had he e r mentioned. In that p, ro h , • titer evil complained of. Th e Right Honour lat the tytheete the `Curate, amid of able Baronet., deprecated the present system of ruse t,t. Hollo.ura leGentiernati would only allow tithe-taking, 'which turned - - the Curate into a • t•ille net sue, rec , ived ,- by'the ; lncittrinent, leaVing tithe-ftrmer, and produced the evils complained of, out ;he questien - that "Wes receis,'-ech by evilS , hich were gre a tly i ncrease d b y t h a t nest o f 'e th e I Cerate, which celasiiily, upon every p r i n . honest Proaors, wbo generally 'contrived to deduct l'-' of ju s ti c e, oug ht t o b e taken into the cal- a large sum o f t h e tit h e - money f rom the Clergy- t eolstion. I t wtited ::eve been as' well per- • man's share. He wo u ld s p e ak f rom hi s own k now-e s if the lleikouratee Gentleman had in- ledge. The praotiee was tbr Mese Proaors to call the Horse evlett manner he meant so a meeting at some ale-house in the parish, generally t hi , tax whici, sift ply the place of tythes, kept by a bruther, a - nephew, or a deperalein ; a I T teat tile ina , s of . th people shook! n e t knot that good dinner was ordered at thd exPence of the poor,, v Cre in-feat payieg tythes. Titters was some- 'when alter carousing, the husioess was adjourned to e ;'lta very extraordinary in th e pr o p os i t i on ,e f t h e , a secon d day, then came another good dibiler, anu it` Gentleman : elsahe mean to say tied the Ca-2 e titer carousing bout, a n d . in the moment of joyous not'to pay, - tythes ? If he mid let him hilarity, the poor pariehioners were corneelled to en- - 4 e -t-at proposition fairly at once,' and he would ter ins° agreements which in their sober moments' l e; wit it rec ptiott it would wine liana the: on . the following morning they were sorry for. He ' E ,„ ) : - I'e- If lie meant . thet. the Catholics should ,he knew for a fact, - that in .thecountyof.Sligo, a cant, f - . ". 1••• -~t o• the• tytstes, why not let atheist ~ a t once of tithes was after an intoxi c ation of this . kind, .sold 61.'1Y ani titi 116tly: krrow what - they 'mere paying ? •to the,higliest bidder, and the consenuence was, that the. %rick anees complained of certainly was a disturbance arose.--i--(2Vo !. no !‘frtniz the Ministerial o e cenclum of the PrCe ides of nonresideet Clergy, , side).--The Right Hon. Baronet must again assert i e ti , hut the 'great- soh; ce of the evil, he would 1 the fact to be 50.; it was in evidenco before, the Go -111-nelatti, - was the . cinsuinstance of the landlord verninent ; amid .concluded with strenuously recome e h a t ng too high a-rent. With resi, , ed, 'hovt eVer, to ; mending the House to agree•to the motion for in . 41 0• ataaeatecea' resulthig front the condu& of the quiry. Il 'ic;ident Clergymen, he hoped th e y would be' . Mr. Weeersene . Pour, i n ceptimaticah, stated mi te a great degree, ii not entirely, removed by that be did not mean to cast aisy retledieneepon the t eßrio entoreing ttse residencee of the Cler g y.— i Irish •Gentry s but upon the middle men, t o w h ose Nvii re e retted ve r y ,euch that . he co uld no t agree condutt, he hilly beli e ved, ' was attr ib uta bl e t h e tithe oil 'tee proposition o f the Honourable Gentle- greater part of, the - oppressions of the poor . Indeed, 10 4t teshalt he th„ught it would be highly improper he was warranted in this belief from a lad WhiCil tliitgo into-the Cotninittee Without having some- jouilately come to his knowledge. In ;Consequence es pre etsceec. pioposed to them. It he had .of some recent dieturhaoces particularpart'or Iv u l)osed a .Bile and stated eWhiat provisioris that Bill I f which he had yesterday mentioned to the e a t ' intended to contain; the House could then have- Right. Hon. Baronet, Government thought it its via'oceetescho ttie discussion of provisions; but duty to wend down a person especially to inquire into tujesolve at once' to go into . a Centeettee;with- the . cause, and time result of his inquiry was, that si o ' at •'ll seeing'their way through the difficulties t the disturbances.were owing entirely - to the manner t surrounded r them, would, in his eptnion, be in which a man, who had just obtained a lease of a °illy useless, bet inieribus. No - man could large estate, had let out the groundat arack rent to the bly feel a moreeuxtotis solo:tede upon this people,. Such was the communication o ffi cially made 111111.1ect than hi s M a j esty ' s Ministers ; Le:ley had to time Irish Government, and such was the nature of I ,__u") , plans' in their contemelstot, ; but upon a ,the casein his mind, when he ascribed so much to i n- tie -.t • • • • s Imes , %Aim), ;hey were found impraoticable. • the tnisconduCl of the landlords. • ho- r ••• _ato er they were anxious to eve rots hibject f Mr. LESLIE FOSTER thought itunadvisable to en- - up on a better tooting ; and &Inez the recess lie i ter into any formal Parliamentary investigation of deeote. the- uteme of his attention to it, and this subject until sane digested plan should be de hshsted. that, by ...he next. nteetiog • f Parliament, vised by those who had the best opportunity ot col hould be. able to proeese suele plan to the beefing information, and who were of coursei• Most .ou, • or rot 110 c o o l ot he strould a., once state- competent to arrange a sntatee measure. Tithes t hat . • • • ' •L- P r i'PlerAtd me , toe •sure enpraaiceble.— were unquestionably an evil, and s o was any sp e c i e s to , 0 •tileold not haloes the innoto chic .Gentleiretp of tax which futmed . a sulettaaioo from the paodu ee Hir the ealdulati6n s del ote respecting the iof the poor but yet the thapoOtion, of titcse-thins , s • , • ?‘ .., _, , :••;,•••, as indisPengabk: Qoitaibly i rro hope . 0 rernovlng any such nitpbsitioli 'should b held out to the peo-, ple until there :.appeared "soine reason lb calenlate upda the .rneant, of redli4ing that hope. A pre "Sent; no praeticable.reibeZly WA supported upon the subjeft of tythes;. and therefore he should Oppose the motion for going into a .Conimittee; - But, in faCt, ~the case of - tith es ' i n I re l an d seemed to be much IniSunderstood in this country. The tythes in Ireland were by no Means so consider able in- their nature and alnount as they were in this .country.. This, he thought it nece.ssaty to state; in ,order to correct the inapressiOn which the exagge rated reports of bottle Gentlemen weiecalctilated. to produce, although he felt as much as any limn for ,the oppressions of the Irish people, and was as anxious as any in,m to remove every ground of their Corripiaint. t • .-y ,• tl, t. ,1 WiiiEßFbit Cit tegued tlO nt t eipetk,e \ I b4 thatmthino- could ope-0f... the . reelifts or the adoPtic'3 !ike i lie present: Much viitti,ti) be expei:te4 ttom the itiformatioil of a Coritutatee ot• House wii*wlsli he was saiisfie it woulu tse, id irellorate rhi Colic - 666i of the Nat) , AL act-ofbats `res(ilvingitito such a Co.;,:utet, cacalms bulated, - go far . ; aswas alleged, ti)m producing dig- Content, to ehgrider hope and ad its conc6inifaut blessings. .Sir O. lint. thbught that to go into a Committee without having a .specific cours • marked Out asap. plicable to- boar, pa , of the kingdom, uould be to ',old out false hope to the people. Tw Howe tlieiz divided. -. ,For the motion . 4s Against it - - - - 69 IVbjotity against the motion -— 2 t Mr% HER-BERT (of Kerry) spoke in favour of , going into the Committee. .. f -. . ' Suri)LY. . . : Mr. M. Fii - zbeaaeo ergued at length' against the . pfesent Mae Elf tolle'&ingtytties in Ireland. :He Mr. CURW E N Moved that t h e H ouse s h o u ld re• stated, as a ebrifissarative hl userat i on of t h e gr i evous ,salve ins „ a c e ommitte of Supply. Ma. le , asoeff'venoved th at the H ouse (3 ,, ati j ourn. tonal a ianiag 6s as Norfolk the tythes'did not ex- Oct an naderssanding; howe ver , the; nothing eta exaction in Ireland, th a t i n a county o f sec t s agricula s , public nature was tobe voted, the Hotise went itito ct, ] b'Ced the rate or h. en acre; Whet - rata in Ireland, a •Committee, when,• on the Motion of Mr. Curt tfie wheat tythe attiohntecl in ninny parts . to two WEN, a sum, not exceeding eOOOl. was ia , es.Cto Captain Manby, f o r bi t i nvent i on ;ff 81100 ti-g a 1115pe guineas anacre, and-30s. an acre on potatoes. Th e frOrrea Ship to _the Shore, by which ; a nntnber`of Mr of the established clergy was in many, cases Much b4ntstl tfult prOportiois of their labour. There ' lives had been lately.saved.- ; *ere districts of considerable extent Where . there . The Report Was ordered to h , -.! received, and the wereneit her churches net resident clergy. He thought rs_ %. , omrnittee to sit ggditi oh Monday. this in itself a ground of inquiry. He quoted a passage Adjourned at Hal.- ass On t : o 'C ioc k 1; lt t vi nit d' w I riolft , i,atophlef.a t irit u t e d to D r .Dni genan, published -` the want of Protestant pastors becoming the prey of ramhling Popish friars. The Rig - ht Hon. Gentle , . • mar then prOeeteled to argue from the nature of the Yesterday a General Special Court of Proprieto rs orisatial institution at Ty l he s t ha t t h ey Were . in- o f East India Stock was held at their House r Lead tended for various other purposes besides that of the enhall-street. _,Wteeima ASTELL, Esti. the C u l t i ya maintenance of the cle rg y. It appeare d , that hi man, in the Chair. the tinies'of RiChard the Second, Henry the Fourth, ' DEPOSED WRITERS, CADETS, &e. The minutes of the Co urt o f Di reaora being read Henry the Si x th, an d d own to Ed ward IV. this but over ; - and; an abstract - of ' the By e -la ys b e i ng- also a Werth part of else Tyi hes then coll e cted was ap p ro . read, agreeably to :.the astral praaice at the first priaed to the clergy merely. He did not want to &dila from the prop..,Tty of the Chinch of Irelanal, meeting after the ch o i ce of ITr,-_..ttors, ' The Chairman moved that- the ResolUtion of the but he was anxious fo r th e sa k e of t h e country that other :Court of Direators lot' reab , lnihting Fienry Gardner, they should deri ve t hat pr ope r t y from some • a Student Sti the East India College, desti ne d f or source than that of th e - ti n-a er i es 6f t h e peoa l e. Mr. PiTzGERALD (of E n n is ) b a d no o bj ect i on to the Madras.e.tablishment who had been discniSsed go into the Corrimittee,, though not on the grounds inconsequencesof his nomination haying been Pro-. cured bv•corrUpt paactices, of which,. however; it stated by his Right' Hon. Friend. He was . deter- , mined to resist. every' attempt upon'the property or appeared that -he himself was ignorant, hut who teal the Church of Ireland, been re-aepointed • try% Junes , Daniell, E. one of . . • Mr. GkATTAN said, that he had for a coesiderable the'Direaors; be agreed. to. lei - .., • Mr. Reese eXpressed his gh approbation of the time entertained the saine opinton,upon the nppres -Resolution. • He. hoped- to . see every One .of the sive nature or levying Tithe S -in Ireland, arid: that he • young men who stood in this unfirrithiate situation ' had not in ' all that time heard one argument that arestored. If there were anse of thee) ; which he could preVail on - him to alter that opinion. He Was. more and more convinced of the propriety, and of Much feared was the ca se , w h o had no personal among the Direaors to restore then to thei r di,: necc:!ssity, and of t he pra Cti ca bili ty o f a con-nines he si.f cerelrtrusted that - the:Court i n talon ;it was not the c o m mutat i on t h at was • imprac- -friends a •gi t oat ions, - general- would tako the case of th ose.w h o were thus ticable, but' it was the strict levy o f t h e t y the that was so. The Irish Cl e rgy oug h t not to atteMpt_to Inthappily situated, into their consider , flora, and levy a tenth of Irish produce, because thenieastire it- r self was a would, as a body, extend : to them .th at sympathy m impossibility ; th e y c ou ld not d o i t, and and commiseration to- which they wer e ent i tied, in: what was more, they wo u ld de s t ro y themselves-by Sa- consequence of a puni s h ment i n fli tted on ' them for tempting to do it, th e at t em pt would involve thei r de- offences of which they were innocent, at least in the truction as a corporation. But were it practicable— moral guilt of which they had no participation. would it be expedient ? Let the church. .take the The .Resolution of the Court of . De eCtors was tenth of the national wealth, and what . do either the . . country or the corporation gain ?. The church may then un;rt;iinously agreed to. - ' - ? and' then a compari- • The . Chair wae i n f orme d th e C ourt of Proprietors, become too rich for devotion, son Will naturally group that the present C ourt had .been made special for of the wealth of the es- tablisliedclergy, the purpose of -per us i ng _ a P et i t i on proposed to be d,clergy, and the poverty of the tolerat e d ; th e onepresented to th e ' House of COm m:ess on the sub- I Will have its odium and th e other will have its _sect of .the Company's offers. 'He should: not de:: praise, the odium and the p ra i se b e i ng b ot h popular, lain; the Conn with -ciffaring any observationss in' may .be equally • exCessive; but n ot on t h at •ac- eupport of the Petiti o n, b ut s h ould simply propdse 'count -.the less niischidvOus. He did n o t wish to ; that it be' read, reservi ng to. himself to deliver- his touch the present in c o me o f t h e c h urch. , He sentiments . on the occasion, if tineapeetedly, aity.ob , would make it the basis o f an y arrangement that jedlien °r doubt should ari se on the subjea. .. House The Petition we t then raad,—ltrefers to th e was to be proposed. Titt les th o u g h ab o li s h ed would not affect an income d er i ve d f r o m a diff erent source 5 . Petition presented by the Cenip a 'b y ,, to the the country was able t o p r o v id e f o r their Established• -of Commons,-in April,. 18U8; and st at e s the faaf, Clergy, unless Gentl emen wou ld say that it "was that i,e00,0001. was then granted to them by Par eeasy to provide t o r t h e mo d erat i on of the Catholic lianieut, to the demand claitried - by th e C om - • Clergymen, but imp oss ibl e to provide for the hungry rna e ) ages / in th e country. This sutra, with the' Riebitien of the Protestant—who wou ld listen . to no sales, which. were mor e favourable than teed bee n other commutation than that o f a t ent h f or a tenth, expeeled, the Petition-goes on to state, pieveirted -But- that ,would• no t b e sa id—H e wou l d not say it--s . the „pCompany:e apply • ing for iSsis;; thfor he could spe a k from k now ledg e i n testimoefof tae_iti?any other ,quart er . Th e revenue, of ythe e Moderation of - the majority of - the IrisloPtereas rienecessityf the, tent Clergy ; Company for the ,ye ar 180 eat 0, there was every . There was a few wh om ,he found ' reason to suppose, would - be nearly equal to-th e to be sutliciently acu te, furnished- with a qUick claims to .bee made ag a i nst i t:. T ile e.xtraordinory scent in the-pursuit o f c l er i ca l pr - ofits. They were, • fro the cies a dtai's in calls on the Company, lioWever, had nettyet' CeBB- ' : however, but few— t h e genera li ty were of a different 'ed. These arose, first from Ldia, to' order. But the Tith e P ro a or waS of another spe amount.of 4,g00-,0001. o n accuse) t o f the wars ear : another stamp pubtie faaler of phhtic rise! on there; and 2dl3; m , losses is thei r . rapine —he exte n d e d b ey e n d hi mse lf t h e infaMy of shippieg, during the' last y ear, amounting, in, the feted fro • his galling and gripi ng character. ':he Church ad- . .1 . tWo artieles'ol merehaodi z e at pr i me coat, and,Sef m: the officious Ministry of those sordid i , freight, to 1,048,0001. r - . harpies - . The Tvthe Proaor cannot 'help - lieltig a from prospective estimates w hich bad beeh niaae 'for the year 1809- tO, it app e a red, ' tha lythe Proctor, He only follows hi s natuse When tail a this Way . he griudS. But the Clergy should b e re m o v e d to : the suits to be expended- would e xc e e d the incoatg. a jealoo - s aistance from the contagion of Stich ,a COo- to. the amount of about 2 ;083,0001, wiiiCli ihe Coin- . nesion. He wa s f o r go i ng into' the doMMittee it . patty could not raise - from its OWII leso:,:ices ; nor it were: only , to show the Irish p u bli c t h a t then in- were its- funds ever equal; at an y one time, to rlse' [crests were not w h o lly i n diff erent to that Hoitse. : experiees of carrying on the Government in I n ii a , Door DIJIGENAN d ent ed t h at h e was the author , of tin time of war: Ti r e accounts . to last -IV/ a rch; how-s he pamphlet attributed to bins, and said that the ! out against ever ; she V ved that the funds of the Company in' Mt de of reprobatio n ,th ruw LI the Tithe - ; Englind- excee.led•its debts, - to the ' amount of tutu proistor salts not deserved. It was equ:111 ' wrong to i • , ,- Y e , milltoas Night hundred and twenty-txt , 6 thousand call,the tithes a tax ;`it was . .no such thing and as to . pounds which sum they hoped would be equa: th their being a severe and partial emiction upon the cover any advances made by the Houten ;tee the ' property- of the Ronaan Catholics, he coitteirde.d. House et Commons.- - -Th e P c ti t i oo he i 6s, re ;it ", that could not be Ale case, while fotty-oineparfs The'Citaitn'moved that this Petitron he pre:: out of fifty of the landed property dt . Ireland Was .sented to the House of Commons. - .- • . in the hands of Protestants. - - ' , . Mr. 'ROCK. sugeested,- as the pre , enf Petitioo re.. deneral MATTHEW could pay little attention - to ferred .to a - Petition thrmerly pieseeted by the - C om - " -.. the observati ons o f t he l ast S pea k er, having under- oany on the same subject, an d as 'there • w e r e ' ratan y ~- stood from a N o bl e L or d not • noui i n this- House lareprieters now - present who miella not ha,Ve_bee a ' (Lord Wellingtep) when he was n u d e a 'Membe r, little confidence present when form er P et i t i tut was &tore them, was h of the , Privy 'Copn c il i n Ireland, so, that it too should be n o w rea d . ; ' . ~ he thought entitl e d t o , t h at h e wa s to be the ee r. GRANT (the late Chairman), observed,: thet, muzzledDoelor. He (the Ganeral) had a petitioh the one Petitzion did not at' allhaug on t lie °filar; 1t . "... on the subject of Tithes, during the - last years, from was -not; therefore, at all necessary to judee qt the; his county (Tipperary). which, trusting to . the as- propriety of the present Petition, that th&forther'one - `hadsurancea of the Chancellor of the EaChequer, be should be read.- The reference to the fOrnie? Peti-ie' es not brought forward; but he now fulled bitn , .. lion had been introduced into 'the presenti•oiiebtilyoki to be a slippery person. He was, therefore, in fa- , historically. He had no ob'ti.ifiliti,:: your of the m u t ton . ieciiew, libw e ' could hl to the Court, t ha t t h e fulmar satisfactory . , Mr. P.ErscEvAt... challenged G e etl em en' who sup- Petiti Ct r sithisid be read. ported this motio n , i nstea d o f vot i ng for a co- , . Mr. Racer presu me de o think that the reading' or jmittee, to bring"f o r w a r d arty proposition pn the sub- the -tamer Petition would`' prove satisfictory to the- ect which could be' cativaSsed . in that House. No- Court. He; for' Otte` soul answer that it would thing, he conceived was 'more dangeaous ac!h to prove so to him. awaken- the' exNatarionasof the - eeople . where `they . Ihd Chairinan contended, that th e f ormer Peti were'to receive.nOfhing; 1 tion had nbthing to do with the present question. INDIA HOUSE. c tO , and tfie 1 11C ti; !use lusd t tcl It a out at )ea to )01 )3e41 (Is -ler 11,a ider ~tttfi ~°ail ring -il- bf 211 1 ".. 517!e jrCe u s!•r~ Ins; ° .11;" ; ♦:~ rG. f /11 3 ! ,1 ; ).0 1120 ' tWrI I ,Y he! !,;t1 he 1314 ( Alot C f etv' 1)3 ( i• ,011 \~ Q