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vioted, which was agreed to after a f.lw words from General Thorot _ _ _ Air. IV. smrm brought np some papers from the British Society for extending Fisheries.—Laid on the table. Mr. BENNET inquired whether any improvement had been made in the mode of contracting for clothing 'con eicts ? Mr. PEET, stated that a considerable seeing had been effected by h ivinc the clothes made atdublin, and sending them eowt, to Cork. The saving thus obtained last year was 100 w. JOURNALS OF THE HOUSE. Mr. BATEIURST IPres,nted the Report of the Committee on the General Intlt tu the .I,ouni4is of the liouic, whicit N 1, 4, Agrecti to. Mr. 11.‘TIIIIRST then moved an Addre., to the Prince Ite giu,t, praying- him to order the .WI, ot 43001. to be paid to Jeremiah Dysitii, as a rentimuration fur oiakine• the Index, and to a,sore his Royal I-li4liness that this house would ttrake good the J attic.—Agreed to. • PETITtONS. Sir S. HONIILLY presented a Petition front Rogers Cole, comitlaining of the conduct of the Judge of the Insolvent Debtor,' Court, for remanding hin► to his confinement ; and stating that be hot 110 other prospect than hopeless incarce ration for life before hint, and that he had paid all his debts, save our, which he did not consider to be a ltSt one. He, Sir S. ktonilly,conceived the 3ndge to have acted er►oucously on this occasion.—The Petition sv•-ts then read, and laid on the table. Mr. BROUGHA NI presented a Pttition from Juhn Dudd, in 14, C:unnty of Devon, prayin . g for the repeal of the Insolvent Debtors? Act.—Laid on the table. Mr. 1)1,,01,:lif;AM presented a Petition from Charles Mayor, Pinil;!rr, culi:phininf of grievances under the New Street Act.—Laid on the tabae, and ordered to be printed. POWERS I'NDER THE GREAT SEAL. Mr. BROUGHAM said, that sonic. time since a Petition had been presented from a Gentleman of the name of O'Hanlon, in the County of Newry, complaining of the po,‘ et - claimed by the Lord Chancellor of Ireland, utoler the Great Seal, to appoint and remove Magistrates at pleasure, %sit Itout cons•ietiun in the iuferior Courts. He wished to have brought its cuosideratioll before the House at an early pe riod; but had been prevented by the nature of his occupa tion, as since the recess the inquiry into the abuses c in flected wilt the e.incation of the poor had employed hint fro►t mortniog till n ight. lie should now move, that the said Petition be printed, and should give notice of his in, tention to call the attention of the House to it early next Sesiion. Mr. PEEL and Mr. CANNING remonstrated against the unfairness of printing a Pt titian containing charies against individuals, at a time of the SeSsion which would leave them no opportunity of an:wering them for six months. Sir S. ItOMI LLY said, that there was ❑o unfairness at all, for it was he who hail presented the Petition fur his flonour able and Learned Friend, and on his motion the Petition had hen ordered to be printed. At the suggestion, however, of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who afterwards objected to its being printed, Ise had not pres,ed for the execution of the order. After a few words from the SPEAKER, the order book was brought, and Mr. Brougham was understood to say, that tbere was nothing to du bat to let the original order stand. LORD ST EWA RT. Mr. BROUGHAM, seeing a Noble Lord in his plate, wished to ask hint a question respecting a Noble Rda ire of his. In doing this he was not actuated by any feeling of hostility either to the Noble Lord himself or to the person in question, to whose services and ac!,ievements he was most disposed to do justice. Ic was unpleasant to put soch a question, but it was the fault of circum stances which imposed that duty upon him. He had delayed doing it till the legal proceedings in which.that• Noble. Person had been engaged had assumed a shape which would prevent any thing be might say front clashing with them. This was a .mat ter of public notoriety, that the brother of the Noble Lord had stated in an affidavit now on the files of the Court of Chancery, that he was possessed of an income of 12,0001. a year from the public as his Majesty's Ambassador at the Court of Vienna, and of a revenue. of 10001. per annum as one of his Majesty's Lords of the Bed chamber. Now, as he had been absent from his station as Ambassador, he wished to know whe ther , the public service was not interrupted, and whether he received any part of his salary ? He also wished to remark on the inconsistency of the two appointments, the one requiring his Lord. ship's presence at Vienna, and the other demand ing it here. Far the situation of a Lord of the Bedchamber Was not a sinecure, buL necessary to the splendour of the Crown. He - wished to be informed whether.that.appointment was tempo ra.rY4 and whether the - Noble Lord received the salaries of both.? Lord CASTLEREAGH had no doubt that public motives alone had impelled the Hon. and Learned Member to make his present inquiries, Ile was only surprised that his vigilance should have slum bered so long. With respect to - the absence of his brother from Vienna, it was customary to grant leave of absence kto public servants who had been long employed in high 'situations abroad, when their ptivate affairs required it. Lord Ste•vart was returning to - the place of his embassy when proceedings of a legal nature listi .detained hi:o: His leave of absence had been less extended *Oan usual in such cases, and the regulation by which the I"enipotentiary who remains during the absence of an Ambassador receives an increased salary out of that of the Ambassador, had been complied with. This absence had also occurred at 'a time when the Court to which Lord 'Stewart was accredited had quitted the capital for many months ; and an intimation bad been given to the Corps DiplOmatique that they might consider themselves at liberty during that period. With respect to his situation as a Lord "of the Bed chamber; all embassies had always been consi dered as duties perfotmed to the public, and as not preventing' the acceptance of any appointment which the Sovereign might please to make. Mr. linouGnxm thought that if so many Lords of the Iletrchamber were necessary, they should riot he absent. If they were so little necessary that they might stay abroad, might not some of them be dispensed with ? Lord CAsrt.enaaGn said that Lords of the Bed chamber had gone abroad before, but then the xigilance of the Hun. and Learned Gentleman vas adeep. Mr. BROUGHAM understood that a question had been raised.in the House respecting their absence at the time, and the answer had been much more satisfictory than that of the Noble Lord, for it bad been stated that their emoluments were not received as long as they were absent. Here the conversation - dropped. A Message from the Lords informed the House that their Lordships had agreed to the Irish Fisheries', the Appropriation, and the Poor Laws' Amendment Bills, and had made some amend ments, to which they desired the concurrence of the House. • PETITION OF ALIENS. Sir J. 111Acm NTOSH held a petition relative to a measure which was corning on to-night. and which involved one of the most flagrant breaches of ptihiic faith that could be committed. 'J.'he petitiou was from ,persons who onglit to be `considered as Lis Majesty's natural-horn subjects,' having purchased Stock in the Bank of Scotland, and 'con,equently been naturalized by an Act passed by the Pat bament of Scotland, and passed in 1693. They prayed that the [louse would not agree.to the amendment made by the Lords to the Alien Bill. They stated that the Scotch Act had been confirmed in that particular provision by five Acts of Parliament in the present reign; that they had been long resident and domiciled in this coun try., in which their children were bore; that they were ready to produce certificates of their loyalty and good conduct ; and that they had putelkased Stock in the Ba►tk of Scotland on a full anti en tire faith in the hwas it now stood. 'They com plained of being deprived of their rights by a re trospective regulation, and prayed that they migkt not be so disfranchised and denaiionalised. The petition having been read and laid on the table, Mr. TIERNEY moved that it be referred to a Committee, with po.ser to report thereon. Lord CAsTLEREAGH opposed the motion as use less, sit.ce it was not inteedcd to deity any of the facts sta•ed io the postilion. He was sure that , there could be but one opinion in the House respecting the abatodity of the measure, which arose on the admitted fees in the present case. The question was, therefote, not one of facts, but of the argument on New, whether or no it was competent for Parliament to legislate on the Law of Scotland:anti suspend one of its ohselete en actments during the existence of tee prevent Bill. Not wily the House, but the individuals who had petitioned must have been tsken by surprise at the existence of such a law. That till very lately the y knew nothing of it was proved by the fact, that seventeen or eighteen out of the forty-nine who bad signed the petition, had been soliciting in vain through,the regular channel to obtain a Bill of Naturalization. The obsolete Scotch Act now thus reei‘ed, granted the rights of naturali zatiou to every individual who purchased a small share, about 801. 'of our currency, but did not provide that by selling that share he should lose those rights, so that he might «mister it the very next day to another foreigner, anti both would find themselves naturalized fur the same sum. The 801. might thus travel round aed naturalize the whole Continent. Was this a state of the law which it would be wise to stiffer permanently to exist in the country, and should the Batik of Scotland retain the piikilege of thus abro gating all the Statotei passed by our ances tors to regulate the naturalization of foreigners ? lle then mentioned the different guards which had been created to.prevent foreigners, even when naturalized, enjoying all the privileges of British subjects—guards which it had been found neces sary to suspend by a separate Bill when Prince Leopold had been naturalized. For by an Act of George!. it was ordered that no Bill of Naturali zation should ever pass, unless it contained clauses to prevent foreigners from voting, or siding in Parliament, and front enjoying - abroad the privi leges of British subjects. Were, then, all these precautioes to be rendered nugatory by au obso lete provision ? By the regular laws of the cortn try, no individual coeld be naturalized without taking the oath of allegiance; but by this regula tion, all the rights of a natural-born subject, might at once be obtained by the simple process of purchasing stock to the amount of SO/. Could this be allowed to exist -? Aud ought not the Go vernment in some measure to apologize for not having introduced a Bill to repeal such a regula tion, instead of being blamed for proposing a clause to abrogate rights by fraud obtained (Hear, hear, front the Opposition.)-e-As to die retrospective operation of the clause, precedents were to be found in justification of it, both in Tax Bills, and in that relative to the residence of the Clergy. Sir S. Ito:mu-Le thought to deny an .inquiry into the merits of the peti.ion would be an act of the greatest injustice. The Noble Lord had said, die House knew the whole matter of die petition, and the entice nature of the Act on which the question turned. Now,he would be bold to say, that the Noble Lord did not know what the Act Was, and that he . could not read it if he had it. Did he know that the clause introduced by the other House went to the "coral - of five Acts of Parliament and he would maintain, that the foreigners who purchased this ,Stock were natu ralized, not by the Scotch Act of 1695, but by Acts of the English Parliament passed since that period. He then quoted an Act, passed in 1774, to increase the capital of the Batik from 100,0001. to 200,0001., and four other Acts passed subse quently for a similar purpose ; in all of which it was enacted, that the holders of the new Stock . should have the sante rights and privileges as the original subscribers. lie was surprised to hear the Noble Lord say their rights had been ob• rained frandulerstlY, when they had been held out as inducements to foreigners to vest their capital in that kind of Stock. It was on the faith of these privileges - being secured to them that they had become subscribers ; and if Alley were now taken away, it would be the Bri tish Parliament that was committing a fraud.— He was surprised, too, that the Noble Lord should appeal to 'die time of Queen Anne in support of his doctrine, when the fact was, that by the 7th of that reign, all Protestants, coming to this country, were endowed with all the rights of naturalization. It was true, that by the 10th that law, was repeal ed, but the Act bad not a restrospecdve operation; that gross injustice was never attempted but by the present Members ; and what astouisheditim most was, that it should have originated in the other house,. the supreme Court of Judicature in the nation, where it might have been thought a greater respect for established law would haee exist ed. 1 defianceof the usual forms they had done this; and looking to the privilegei , of - that House, he thought the Lords amendment could not be re-. ceived ; .for if any of these 49 persons bad ptir- Chased lands, - they might be confiscated ; or re ceived goods from abroad since the 29th of April last (and some of them had done so), they would have to pay the Alien.duties, which were higher than those imposed on natural born subjects. The clause then imposed a tax—it was a money clause, and, according to the privileges of that House, the Lords had not the right to originate a tax or a money clause. He then quoted a number of precedents in support of his argument, and called upon 'the 'Home to protect its privileges, aria rescue itselt from this added disgrace. They had bern the Parliament which had twice suspended the Habeas Corpus Act ; sanctioned spies and in formers, and made themselves the degraded po lice' of France. They were the Parliament uho had approved the sending forth the opinion of the crown lawyers as the law Of the land. Who might be their successors he did not know ; but (exelairned the Honourable and Learned Gentle in.an) GOD grant that we may never see Parlia ment again so regardless Of the liberties and of rights the people as this has been. Lord CASTLEREAGH explained. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL argued that the tights were derived entirely under the Scotch Act ; and if this clause had been left out, fifty would have had their right by the said Act, thereby makimg thew naturalized subjects of the United King dom. Atter quoting many Statutes and authori ties in support of his opinions the Hon. and Learned Gentleman - concluded with saying that he saw no reason why tie Petition should be re ferred to a Committee. A &stilt°, y conversation ensned, which Mr. W. SMITH conteoded that the petition %VHS a pro per subject for inquiry. The CHANCELLOR of the ExcHEQUErt said, he slid not know that there nere any Alien polies of the nature described. Sir A. Picorr showed that as the Act stood, it an Alien purchased land, it might be seized by the Crown. The fixing the time from the 28th of April last was an absurdity, as there was no rea son shewn for it. lie denied the correctness of the Attorney• General's position respecting the operation of the Scotch Act. Mr. CANNING thought it best to ask for the opi nion of the Chair, before proceeding in the de bate. ' The SPEAKER said, it was unquestionably the rule of the House not to permit any interference of the Other House, either in imposing duties or taxes. In this clause, if he had collected right, there were duties that were attached to Aliens as traders, and forfeitures in case of their making certain kinds of purchases. Therefore the case did seem to be made out that there was some interfer ence of which the House was usually jealous. One point, however, excited some doubt in his mind. It must he known to every body that it was usual fo'r Naturalization Bills to originate in the other House, and but for thiS difference of Bills of Naturalization so originating this case would seem to fall distinctly within what were deemed the privileges of the House. Alter a c.mversation between Mr. 8.-• Bathurst, Mr. Wynne, Lord Castlereaeh (who intimated, that even if the qtreStion had been more doubthil he would not wish to press the.amendment made . by the Lords), Mr. Brougham and. Sir J. Mackin tosh, an understanding was come to, that if the Right Hon. Gentleman would wi:hdraw his mo tion, the amendments would be rejected, and thus the Bill would, in all probabiluv,•be lost.— This, suggestion being adored, and the motion being ‘vit hdrawn, _ . • - Laid CASTLZREAGR moved the Order of t!te Day fo: - the consideraTion of the Lords' Ametid. mentt to the Alien . BM. A convetsation ensue►! between Sir S. Romilly, Mr. IVynne, Mr. B. Bathurst, Mr. Brougham, Lot d Castlereagh, Sir J. M►ckintosh, and the Speaker, which consisted entirely of the same, opinions as had been previously advanced respect ing the privileges of the House, and the question was put, " That the House do agree with the Amend ments made by the Lordi," and unanimously negatived. Lord CASTLEREAGH then moved that a Com"- mittee be appointed to draw up the reasons to he offered to the Lords for disagreeing with their Amendtnents.—Agreed to. It was then ordered that a Message be sent to the Peers, requiring a conferences on the subject. NIISREPRESENTATION. Mr. PROT II 'molt complained of the way in which lists of the majority and minority had been printed in some of the Papers on the division on Mr. Brougham's late motion for an Address to the Crown. The majority, of which he was one, were represented as the persons who had voted against any inquiry into the abuses in Charitable Institu tions for the Education -of the Poor. This was a malicious misrepresentation, as was evident from the nature of the motion. He could assure the Hon. and Lvarned Gentleman (Mr.:Brotigham), that he was as ardently desirous of seeing a toll inquiry take place into . theseabnies as any man, and the reason why he voted against his motion was, that he thought it likely to impede or injure the great object he had in view. He did not mean to take any further notice of the misrepresentation. Mr. BROUGHAM briefly expressed his thanks to the Honourable Gentleman for his favourable opinion, and,:hoped that even the Gentlemen who had voted against him on that occasion would go along with him next Session to obtain the re-ap pointment of the Committee. POOR LAW'S AMENDED BILL. Lord CASTLEREAGH moved, tiaez the Amend ments of the Lords to the Poor Laws Amended Bill be read a second time this day six months. After some observations from Mr. C.W.WYNNE and Mr. liusxtssoN, the motion vas act eed to. Mr. litiouGti AM presented the Report i f the Committee on the Education of the I'oor, which was ordered to be printed. AUTHORS' COPY RIGHTS. A Report from the Committee on the Authors' Copy Rigl►t Act was brought up. On its being in ()Vet' t hat it. should be printed, Mr. SMYTH (ot Cambridge) said, the Report was not to be considered as expressing the ►►nani mous sense of the Committee. Sev.eral of the re solutions were carried by very small majorities ; and of e., the most important, by the casting vote of the. Chairman. Sir J. MACKINTOSH c►>ntended the Pirlia mentary character of the Report was not affected by the divisions which had taken place on theye solutions. In one instance the minority, consist ing of five, compre►►ended four Members for the Universities. Those were most respectable in their personal character, and nearly as respect able in their Parliamentary character. ' One small circumstance, however, might be urged against them, which had sometimes an influe►ace on the human mind, but of which he would say no more. It was not, howevei., fOr the Ilouse io taiie t. coirsideration hoW the t onitnittee had proceedeo While preparing theii• Report. They ough t dispOSe of the question according to its incr 4s ' • Lord P4melisTo. thought the insinuatioil which bad been thrown out were not warranie(s, and conceived they would be best met by CON' temptuous silence. p eel ' A conversation followed, in which Mr. Mr. NV. Wynne, Mr. V. Fitzgerald; j~,-Ir. Smug! and Mr. Gurney participated, - and in die con of which Sir J. Mackint o sh an d L or d Palth e ! s ri amicably explained , after which the Repor t •ordered to be printed. The CHANCELLOit of (he EXCHEQUER pre 9 e ri o ted f a petition from Tipperary aga ins t t he it4ork i4 i,i Distilleries on Sundays.—Ordered to' lie oft table. Mr. B. SHA* presented a Report frotn the C°o mittee on the petiti ons re l at i ve to t h e East In( Docks.-:--Ordered to lie on the table. On the motion of Lord P ALMERSTO , N , the - L ° ; f r i Amendments to the SOldiers' Wives and Bill were taken into consideration, an d agree t SLAVE TRADE OPFENCES' BILL. The Lords' Amendments to the Stave Offences Bill were tejected at . the sug,ges tica t lif the SPEAKER—the Amendments aut h o rizing Crown to take bonds from individuals " v r11 %.• cases in which slaves were allowed to be 1, , 1 :1° - ported from the 'Vest India Ll.-tuds to the Cv l : v ., m nent of South Atnerica. A Committee w ig ;p0 pointed to draw rip reasons to be comma:tiro° the Lords fur this rejection. AMERICAN LOYALISTS. ,a„ Mr. W. SMITH, si!eing a Right Ilon• man his place, wished to ask him if he ` v i:llls at an early period, turn his att e nti on to C lc l o o , of an unfortunate set of men, the Anl Loyalists ? From despair, three or four s* -1 had already taken place among them. o , e; The Cid ANCELLOR' of the EXCHEQUER AC -,1 s o !edged they wet e a very loyal and d es ervOg Do ll of men, but lie could Rot at that mornet' t hot' out the expectation of any thing more tb been alre,uly done. • d ot, Sir M. W. RIDLEY, in belt If of Sir I tr re!! Who WitS indisposed, postponed the Al o6cn petting Mr. Mallison's TLTRNP/HES. „‘ frog Mr. PROTHEROR moved for certain Relon— f the Trustees of Turnpike Roads ; but after words from Sir M .%V. RIDLEY and Mr. WY ° the motion was withdrawn. PRESERVATION OF PROPERTY . . p It/ Mr. D. GILBERT rose to m ove for kr t.. be bring in a Bill, which, when brought il b t - er wished to be printed, and then sneered to till another Session. He then obtained eel (If to bring in a Bill for the better preservat;:os, Property wrecked in England.—The brought in, read a fit st, and or tk re d it , be re ° De second time on that day se'nni. , ht an d t° , printed. h The Returns presented to th e Ilonsi o t-c or June relating to Mines in Dean Forest "' ere tiered to be printed.---Adjourned. CoßoNcc's itieutisT.---Nesterday sr , I ' t t i was held at the Carnden's CAmdeo-sgefri East-lane, Walwoi th, before 'Cita at.E5 JEM,, 3I , 00 Esq., Coroner for Surrey, on the body 01 ' l ‘l l- ,09 Sinn hers, aged twentv-'t wo years, a jo o " ei h i elf: hair-dresser, who worked for Mr. Daws° lj 'i tb dresser, in the ‘Val , vorth'-road. It appetl fe ` p it td the deceased, in company with two boys °5- ,: t 107 bathe about halt-past four o'clock on 'yr : ll d ° ' morning, in Mill-pond, Lock's-fields be'lji;eitrO ceived as to the depth of the water, and o al boY: a swimmer, he:sunk to rise no more, Th e W.!' hastened immediately to the Camden' s I,o' a ' ; (where the drags are kept) an d gav e 1 1,e t tl i , e the body was dray.ged for a considerable ar k no purpose. About half-past ten a Ya tillr bdi: dived and succerdeti in bringing up the, be but quite dead. The deceased Was to lo g ' i lettO married to-morrow. Verdict--" Ac c.' death." -. _______-------- r COURSE OF EXCHANGE, FRI naY, MO 5, 4Ito; ' .—.... n 11. Amsterdam Ditto, at Sight. Amster dam Ditto, a t Sight 1 ilo i ' Rotterdam II Oic.` Xs. A ntwerp ll . e 4 ci. Hanitiurgh 1r Altona ,24 5 l IIP Paris, 3 Day's date Ditto ea e . 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