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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ROUSE OF LORDS, MAICH 25. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack at the usual hour. The Duke of CUMBERLAND said he was instructed by the Agricultural Committee to move, that there be laid before the House a return of the quantity of stock, distin guishing the various kinds, and the quantity of beef and butter imported from Ireland since 1826 ; also a return of the amount paid to the land-tax by every city and town in England and Wales for the last year. The Exeter Gas Bill, and the Manchester Improvement Bill, were brought up from the House of Commons by Mr. M. PHILIPS and others. Earl HOWE presented :petition from Leicester against the probate clauses of the Ecclesiastical Courts Bill ; also petitions from two Associations in Leicestershire, complain ing of agricultural distress. - Lord STRADBOKE presented a petition from an in dividual named D. Robinson, complaining of the duty levied upon legacies left for charitable purposes ; also one signed by 10,000 owners and occupiers of land in the county of Suffolk, complaining of agricultural distress. Lord STRAFFORD presented a petition from Poole in favour of Mr. Buckingham's claims. IRISH CORPORATIONS. Viscount DUN C ANNON presented a petition from the city and liberties of Kilkenny in favour of the Irish Corporation Reform Bill, and praying that it might be founded on the same principles as the Bills for Scotland and England. __________ DISSENTERS. Lord HOLLAND presented a petition from a place in the county of Brecknock, complaining of the grievances under which Dissenters laboured, and praying for relief. Lord WHARNCLIFFE presented a petition from Barnstaple against the probate clauses of the Ecclesiastical Courts' Bill. Also one from Scarborough to the -same effect. BANKRUPTCY COURTS, IRELAND. Lord PLUNKET moved the second reading of the Irish Bankruptcy Courts' Bill. There was no subject which required more than the Bankruptcy Laws legisla tive explanation and enactment, and accordingly various measures were passed on the subject. He now proposed to extend to Ireland the beneficial clauses in the 6th Geo. IV., by which, in this country, a new jurisdiction was established for the purpose of deciding on all such cases, and he pro posed to give to Ireland the provisions of that Bill, so far as the circumstances of that part of the country required. In England it was found necessary, on account of the great quantity of bankruptcy cases, to relieve the Chan cellor from the duties connected with them which had been imposed upon him ; but he was happy to in form their Lordships, that there was not any great bur den on the shoulders of the Keeper of the Great Seal in Ire land in hearing the appeal causes in bankruptcy, on ac count of the small quantity of business in that branch of his jurisdiction. He did not, therefore,propose to establish a Court of Review. The laws were at present very badly administered, not that he meant to say the gentlemen who were Commissioners in Ireland did not fairly administer them so far as was in their power, but there were five sets of Commissioners, and the truth was that the remuneration allowed them was so trifling, that they could not abandon their avocations and devote their time solely to these matters. The Noble and Learned Lord then went into a detail of the provisions of the proposed Bill, and said it was intended to appoint one Commissioner to do the satire busi ness that was at present executed by the twenty five who now acted, and who should rePeive a salary of 15,0001. per annum. He (Lord Plunket) had asked the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland to name the person who, in case the Bill passed, would be ft to fill the office ? But his Excellency was pleased to consult his (Lord Plun ket',) judgment, and he selected Mr. Macann, K.C., a gentleman of great respectability, of more than twenty years standing in the profession, and who possessed the confidence of the Bar and of the public generally. It was also proposed, in case the business increased con siderably, and that it became absolutely necessary to do ro, to appoint a Register of the Court, with a salary of 3001. per annum. The Noble and Learned Lord having stated the means by which it was intended to compensate the present Bankrupt Commissioners, said there was a clause which it was not his intention to press, and which found its way inadvertently into the Bill. He proposed when the Bill went into Committee to strike out the objectionable clause. The Bill was then read a second time and ordered to be committed on Monday. ECCLESIASTICAL LEASES. • The Report of the Committee on the Ecclesiastical Leases Bill having been brought up, The Archbishop of CANTERBURY had consulted srime of the highest legal authorities on the sub.lect of this Bill, and 'be was satisfied it would be most beneficial in its operation, as the objectionable parts had been re modelled. The Report was then ordered to be printed. Some private bills on the table were then advanced a stage. ,scount MELBOURNE moved for some returns re lative to the number of criminal offences in Ireland. On the motion of the Earl of SHAFTESBURY their Lordsliips then adjourned to Monday. HOUSE 01 COMMONS, MARcll 25. The SPEAKER took the Chai r a t a few minutes to five o'clock. BERNIINGLIANI, BRISTOL, AND THAMES JUNCTION RAILWAY. Mr. YOUNG presented a petition from the parishioners of Fulham in favour of the Birmingham, Bristol, and Thames Junction Railway ; also a petition from George Rippnn against certain claims in the Newcastle and North Shields Railway. MANCHESTER IMPROVEMENT BILL. On the motion of Mr. PHILLIPS the Manchester Improvement Bill was read a third time and passed. CLYDE NAVIGATION. Sir MICHAEL SHAW STEWART presented pe titions from the merchants of Glasgow, the Ship-owners' Society of Glasgow, the Chamber of Commerce of Glas gow, and another body, all against the Clyde Navigation Bill. Also a petition in favour of the Forth and Greenock Canal Bill. • STEAM VESSELS ON THE RIVER. Mr. D. W. HARVEY presented a petition from the Lightermen, and one from the \Vharfingers of the Port of London, complaining of the danger they ran, and the inter ruption caused to their trade, by the number and speed of the steam-vessels plying on the river Thames. CLYDE NAVIGATION. On the motion of Mr. OSWALD, this Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be referred to the Scotch list. Lord G. LENNOX presented a petition from New Shoreham against Sir John Rennie's Brighton Line of Railway. Mr. F. NORTH presented a petition against the Bir mingham and London Junction Railway. Lord C. MANNERS presented a petition from certain influential persons residing in Leicestershire, against the proposed deviation from the original line of the Midland Counties Railway. The petitioners alleged that if any al teration took place their property would be greatly injured. Major BEA UCLERK presented a petition from Sir William Clayton against the South Eastern Railway. LIVERPOOL SMALL DEBTS BILL. Mr. EWART brought up the Report of the Com mittee on this Bill. HERNE BAY PIER BILL. On the motion of Sir E. KNATCHBULL this Bill was read a first time. DOVER HARBOUR BILL. Sir E. KNATCHBULL moved the second reading of this Bill. Mr. FECTOR bad intended to oppose the further pro gress of this Bill till after the Easter recess, to give an opportunity to the inhabitants of Dover to declare whether they were satisfied with the present constitution of the Board or not. An arrangement, however, had been en tered into by which the nomination of the Committee was postponed at present ; therefore he would waive any oppo sition he felt to the Bill. The Bill was then read a second time. Sir T. FREMANTLE presented a petition from cer tain inhabitants of Northamptonshire, praying the House not to consent to a Bill empowering the levying of toll on a bridge in that county. LAMBETH IMPROVEMENT BILL. On the motion of Mr. HAWES this Bill was read a second time. BIRMINGHAM AND BRISTOL RAILWAY. Mr. WALTER presented a petition in favour of the. Birmingham and Bristol Railway. STANDING ORDERS. Mr. PENDARVES brought up the Report of the Committee on the Standing Orders. The Report re commended that the Standing Orders ought not to be dispensed with. FORTH AND CLYDE NAVIGATION. Mr. CAMPBELL brought up the Report of the Forth and Clyde Navigation Bill. ULSTER RAILWAY. Mr. S. CRAWFORD presented petitions from two in habitants of Antrim against the Ulster Railway Bill. DUBLIN AND DROGHEDA RAILWAY. The HON. MEMBER then presented a petition from Dun dalk', most respectably signed, in favour of the Dublin and Drogheda Railway. • ISTE3ORT HARBOUR . Mr. HALL bro . tin a Bill for making a harbour at Newport, which was Aad a first time. LONDON AND BIRMINGHAM RAILWAY. Mr. HUME presented a petition from Croydon against the London and Birmingham Railway. WESTMINSTER SMALL DEBTS' BILL. The HON. MEMBER then moved for leave to postpone the introduction of the Westminster Small Debts Bill till after the Easter recess.—Agreed to. GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY. Mr. SCARLETT brought up the Report of the Com mittee on the above Bill. BRISTOL GAS OIL. Sir RICHARD VYVYAN brought up the Report of the Committee on this Bill. PAPER DUTY. Mr. FERGUSON presented a petition from the paper makers, stationers, and others of the county of Aberdeen, praying for a reduction of the duty on paper. DUTIES ON EAST INDIA SUGAR: Mr. EW ART presented a petition from the Merchants, Bankers, and Tradesmen of Liverpool, praying for an equa lization of the duties on East India Sugar. The Hon. Member considered the subject of the petition one well de serving the consideration of the House ; the claims on this subject were becoming stronger and stronger every day. The petition was signed, not only by all the merchants and bankers of Liverpool, but by a vast number of the shop keepers of that town, who had began to see that one mode of relief from taxation was removing it from the raw article. Mr. HUME said that the Hon. Member had alluded to the merchants and bankers, but there was another class of more importance still—he alluded to the consumers gene rally. He thought the House would do well to take the subject under its serious consideration, looking at the ma terial increase in the price that had taken place, and the consequent decrease in the consumption. He trusted that Ministers would think it right to bring forward measures for the adoption of the House upon the subject ; but if they did not, he hoped the Hon. Member would press forward this question, and not rest satisfied with this or that under standing, as he was sure the House and the country were with him.—(Cheers.) Mr. M. PHILLIPS had been requested to support the prayer of the petition, which he did with the utmost cor diality. He had waited with the greatest anxiety till the question could be fairly mooted, as beinc , one of those who had voted compensation to the West India interest. He had no wish, till that great question was settled, to moot a point of this kind. But he now considered that havinc , fulfilled their engagements fully and honourably toward s ' the West India interest, there ought to be no longer any delay in placing this important question on a proper basis. The Honourable Member for Middlesex had placed the question on a right footing, when he said that it was a question of equity towards the consumers. He begged leave to support the prayer of the petition. Mr. A. CH APMAN said that there were other par ties interested in this question, viz., the shipowners. He thought that the same advantages ought to be given to ships coming from the East, as well as from the West Indies. It was contrary to all rules of justice and sound sense that articles coming from the most distant places should pay higher duties than the same articles when brought from a less distant place. Mr. WILKS—This was a matter of the greatest impor tance, and the subject ought to be brought immediately before the House. At that moment in France the people only paid one-fourth part for the sugar they consumed that we paid in this country. It would benefit the agricultural interests by directing their attention to the cultivation of beet-root here.—(Cries of " Oh, Al He meant to say distinctly that as good sugar might be supplied from beet root for ss. as they were now paying 20s. for.—(Cries of " Oh, oh.") Major BEAUCLERK had been requested to press this subject on the attention of his Majesty's Ministers, and he hoped it would be shortly brought before the House. After a few words from an lion. Member, whose name we could not learn, Mr. EW ART gave notice that on the annual duties being moved, he would move that the duties upon all sugars be placed on the same footing.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. EWART presented a petition from the manufac turers of Warrington, praying for the repeal of the duti4 upon Soap. TITHES. Mr. SHAW presented a petition from the arch-diocese of Tuam, and another from the diocese of Ardagh, pray ing that any measure passed by that House, for regulating the collection of tithes, should ba founded on principles of strict justice. The Hon. and Learned Member also presented a . petition from certain inhabitants of the city of Limerick, praying for an inquiry into the subject of the Carlow election. Also a petition from an individual of the name of Williams, complaining of being refused ordination by the Bishop of Gloucester, because he was a graduate of Trinity College, Dublin, only. The Right Hon. Gentleman said he had also a petition from the Rev. Mr. Stoney, of Newport Pratt, in the county of Mayo, to which he would not more particularly allude at present, as he understood that the Hon. Member fur Dun dalk had a counter . petition on the same subject ; and he would content himself by stating that it contained charges against the Roman Catholic Clergyman and Bishop of that district. Mr. S. CRAWFORD said as the Right Hon. Gentle man opposite had alluded to the subject of the petition en trusted to him (Mr. Crawford), he would take leave to state the substance to the House. The SPEAKER interrupted the Hon. Member, and called him to order, as no question was before the chair. Mr. CRAWFORD thought he might be allowed to mention that he held a petition from the Rev. Mr. Hughes, the parish priest of Newport Pratt, which contained charges affecting the Protestant Rector, the Rev. Mr. Stoney ; and he therefore felt it his duty to communicate the fact to that Gentleman before he presented the petition. The result of that communication he believed was the petitio❑ presented by the Right Hon. the Member for the Univer sity of Dublin. The one in his (Mr. C.'s) hands charged Mr. Stoney with having sent out persons as Biblical teachers who made use of the most insulting expressions towards the professors of the Roman Catholic religion. He deeply re gretted that such language should be used by any person belonging to the Established Church, or that such a course of conduct should be followed as was described in the peti tion. He would not, however, at present ask to present it. The SPEAKER called on the Hon. Gentleman to bring up the petition to the table, which he accordingly did amid great laughter. LIGHT-HOUSES (SCOTLAND). The LORD ADVOCATE rose to move for returns on a subject of vast importance to the entire of Scotland, and more particularly to the county which he had the honour to represent, namely—the condition of the light-houses along the coast. He (the Lord-Advocate) had received a letter that day, stating that a most valuable vessel had been wrecked within two miles of his house, in consequence of there being no light-house on that coast. The Commis sioners of northern lights were about to erect a most ex peasive lighthouse in the Island of Searmore, while there was not a single one for 150 miles on the line of coast where his county was situate, and a considerable portion of which was on his own property. The Commis sioners of northern lights had not done equal justice between the north and south of Scotland. The Sheriff of his county was not a member of the Board, and this he conceived most unfair. The Hon. Gentleman concluded by moving for a return of the number of shipwrecks which had occurred in the Solway Channel. The motion also referred to some other points, which we could not distinctly hear. Sir GEORGE CLERK vindicated the Commissioners. They had, in his opinion, acted most judiciously. If they had unlimited funds at their disapsal they ought of course to erect light-houses on every head-land ; but when this was not the case the Commissioners were bound to erect light houses in places where they were most required, and in selecting the North of Scotland they had acted on that • • principle. Mr. HU ME complained that these light-houses,:undcr the present system, were under the control of an irrespon sible body. NAVIGATION OF THE SHANNON. Mr. FITZSTEPHEN FRENCH presented petitions from places in the counties of Roscommon, Sligo, and Lei trim, in favour of the Shannon Navigation Bill. The pe titioners complained of the system adopted of making the parishioners pay the expenses of the survey. PORT OF LIVERPOOL. Mr. A. CHAPMAN moved for a return of the num ber of vessels from the United States and other foreign ports, which had entered the port of Liverpool, from Ja nuary 1835 to January 1836. Mr. HARDY presented a petition from certain Medical Practitioners, praying for remuneration for their attendance at Coroners' Inquests. AGRICULTURAL DISTRESS. Sir W. GEARY presented petitions from several places iq Kent, complaining of agricultural distress ; also a peti tion from LicenseSVictuallers, complaining of the addi tional duty on spirit licences. Colonel VERNER moved for a return of the number of persons committed to the gaol of the county of Tipperary in 1832, 1833, 1834, and 1835, distinguishing the offences for which they had been committed. Also a return of the number of Coroners' inquests within the same period. ILLEGAL SOCIETIES. The HON. and GALLANT MEMBER then gave notice, that he should move for the appointment of a Select Com mittee to inquire into the illegal societies since the year 1793, held together by secret signs or tokens. MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS. —BOROUGH OF POOLE. Mr. POULTER moved that the Poole Committee have leave to report the evidence taken.—Agreed to. The Hos. MEMBER then gave notice that in conse quence of its having been the unanimous decision of the Committee, that there was no remedy for the incon veniences which took place in the municipal elections of the borough of Poole, but . by an Act of Par liament, that on Tuesday next he sh - ould move for leave to bring in a Bill for that, purpose, and he should fix a day after th e E as t er recess f or it s secon d reading. Meanwhile the evidence would be printed, and in the hands of Hon. Members. Lord G. SOMERSET objected to a Bill being brought in on evidence, of which they knew nothing.—(Hear.) Mr. POULTER did not intend to move the second reading until after the holydays.—(Hear, hear.) MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS (IRELAND.) Mr. S. CRAWFORD presented a petition from the inhabitants of Grey Abbey in the county of Down, pray ing for the reform of the Municipal Corporations of Ire land, for the entire extinction of Tithes and Regiuni Do num, and for a reform of the Grand Jury Law, and that the cess-payers shall be fairly represented in the presenting body. The Honourable Member also pre sented a petition from the inhabitants of Sea-Patrick, praying for a law to grant ejected tenants compensation for improvement, and for a more equitable principle of grand jury assessment. TITHES—(IRELAND.) Mr. JEPHSON presented a petition from Mallow, com plaining of the provisions of Lord Stanley's Bill, providing for the composition of Tithes. THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY, MARCIE'. 26, 1836. STAMP DUTIES ON NEWSPAPEES. Mr:11110T - HERION presented a — Petitionh.OM Sal ford, praying for the total repeal of the Duty on Newspa pers. As many Hon. Members had petitions to present, he should content himself with merely observing that he earnestly hoped his Majesty's present Government, who had every thing to hope for, and nothing to fear from an unshackled Press would comply with the earnest prayer of that pe tition.—(Hear, hear, hear.) FACTORY BILL. The HON. MEMBER also presented a petition from Manchester, in favour of the Ten Hours Factory Bill. PROTESTANT DISSENTERS. Mr. BAINES presented a petition from the congrega tion of Protestant Dissenters of Sheffield, praying for a redress of their grievances. ' DEPUTY RECORDER OF LEEDS. The HoN. MEMBER also presented a petition from the Mayor and Corporation of Leeds, praying for the appoint ment of a Deputy Recorder. BISHOPRIC OF DURHAM. Lord JOHN RUSSELL brought up the Bishopric o Durham Bill. IRISH TITHES. Mr. HUME trusted that before the Noble Lord brought forward his motion on this subject, the House would allow Hon. Members who had petitions, to present them. The Hon. Member then presented petitions from the market gardeners of London, and several other places, against the Bill. Captain YORKE presented similar petitions from the landowners of the Isle of Ely. Mr. WARBURTON trusted the House would have no objection to meet one morning for the receiving of pe titions on this subject. Lord JOHN RUSSELL had no objection to the course suggested by the Hon. Member, and he would there fore propose that the House should meet on Tuesday for that purpose. The SPEAKER deprecated the revival of the practice of the House sitting in the morning, thinking that much in convenience would arise from it. Lord J. RUSSELL entirely agreed with what had fallen from the Chair with respect to the revival of the practice of sitting in the morning, but the suggestion in moving only with respect to one subject. The Noble Lord said, moving that the House at its rising should adjourn to Monday, that on that day he should move that the House at its rising on Wednesday should adjourn to the 11th of April. If that course should be acceded to by the House, what he should propose was, that immediately after the Easter recess, with respect to Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays— on Monday he would move the Ordnance Estimates, -- and two or three votes on the Army Estimates ; on Wed nesday the Secretary-at-War would move the second 'reading of the Mutiny Bill ; and on Friday he proposed to move the second reading of the Registration of Mar riages Bill. In answer to a question, the Noble Lord proceeded to say, that it certainly was not his intention to include Ireland in the latter Bill. He would not say that it was not possible to introduce a Bill with respect to a registration in Ireland, but he understood that many Roman Catholic priests had objections to a Bill of this nature. APPOINTMENT OF MAGISTRATES. Sir R. PEEL had some questions to ask of the Noble Lord opposite respecting the appointment of several magi strates under the Municipal Corporation Act, and wished to know when it would be convenient for him to do so ? He had intended to do so on the third reading of the Mu nicipal Corporation Bill. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that either Monday or Tuesday next would be convenient.--(Hear.) If the Right Hon. Baronet would have the kindness to inform him of the nature of the explanations he required, he (Lord J. Russell) would be prepared to give him an answer. If the Right Hon. Baronet's questions were likely to raise a debate, it would be necessary to make a motion on the subject. Sir R. PEEL merely wished to ask some questions re specting the appointment of several Magistrates of the country. He could not be prepared until after the Noble Lord's explanations to make any distinct - motion on the subject.—lt was then fixed that the subject should come on next Tuesday. REGISTRATION OF VOTERS BILL. Sir JAMES GRAHAM wished to know whether it was proposed to go into Committee on this Bill before the recess or not ? The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said the Bill was of the greatest importance, but he was afraid it would be im possible to go into Cwrimittee upon it before the recess. COMMUTATION OF TITHES (ENGLAND) BILL. Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved the Order of the Day for the further consideration of the Report of the Committee on this Bill. Mr. GISBORNE wished to revert to a question which he had asked on a former evening, but to which. the Noble Lord had not given a definite answer. He wished now to ask whether the Noble Lord intended to introduce any measure this session on the subject of mineral tithes. Lord JOHN RUSSELL had not been able to come to any satisfactory conclusion on the subject. He could not, therefore, pledge himself to bring in any measure upon it this session. Sir ROBERT PEEL wished to know whether any al terations had been made in the Bill ? Lord JOHN RUSSELL had no alterations of his own to propose of any importance, but he should be very glad to go into Committee in order to hear the opinions and suggestions which any Hon. Gentlemen might wish to give on the subject. Sir R. PEEL said that certain cases might arise, such as modusses, or allegations of modusses. What did the Noble Lord mean to propose on this point ? Lord JOHN RUSSELL would rather not enter into details until the subject came fairly before the House. Sir R. PEEL said it was desirable when they went into Committee that their attention should be confined to the particular subject under their consideration. As to the mode of applotment there was no provision made in this Bill. What did the Noble Lord mean to do in that respect ? Lord JOHN RUSSELL made some observations in a low tone of voice across the table. Sir R. PEEL thought the proposition of the Noble Lord was to go into Committee to supply the manifest de ficiencies of the Bill. It was quite clear it was necessary to have an applotment. Suppase the case of the owner of forty acres of land, who wished to dispose of it, how was the purchaser or future occupier to know the rent charge to which the land was liable, unless thefe was .an ap plotment - The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said this was a ques tion which only concerned the landowner. The Bill was perfect as far as it went. Lord HO WICK thought it would be better to take the discussion on the 40th clause. Mr. PEMBERTON was as anxious as the Noble Lord to carry into effect the principle of commutation, but this Bill would not effect the object without most important alterations. _ _ Lord J. RUSSELL had not the advantage of seeing the Bill of the Right Hon. Baronet. He requested him to bring it in, in order that it might be printed, but as he had not done so he would not be justified in adopting it. Mr. ESTCOURT objected to the period allowed for the compulsory commutation to take effect. Lord J. RUSSELL, on consideration, was of opinion that the time was too short. He thought from the Ist of Oct. twelve months should be allowed for the compulsory composition to take effect. Sir R. PEEL said there were these omissions in the Bill, but as the Noble Lord was not prepared to fill them up, he for one would not oppose going into Committee. But the Bill after all would be found to be exceedingly im perfect. Mr. CAYLEY had understood that they were to bare a general discussion upon the principle of the Bill. It was impossible for them to get it through the Committee before Easter. It would be necessary to have such a discussion upon the Bill, otherwise the public would know nothing of it. As it stood at present, he confessed that he could not understand it.—( Hear, hear, from the Opposition.) Mr. GOULBURN said if the House consented to take the course pointed out by the Noble Lord, he would feel himself at liberty to object to the principle of the Bill at any time. Lord HOWICK said the Hon. Member (Mr. Cayley) had misunderstood him, if he supposed that he recom mended a general discussion upon the principle of the Bill. That had already taken place. Mr. BENETT said the principle had been discussed be fore. It was important they should know what the opinion of the House was upon the most important clauses. This could not be done without going into Committee. Let the Right Hon. Baronet bring in his Bill also, and then the House might select from it what they considered good, and embody it with the Bill. Mr. B. THOMPSON made some observations, but they were quite inaudible in the Gallery. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said, in ninety-nine calms out of a hundred the difficulty would be the applica tion of the law of tithe, and to introduce any declaration into the Bill of what that law was, would only increase the difficulties. Mr. G. KNIGHT said the only consequence of delay ing this measure was to increase the difficulties. The more the subject of tithes was investigated, the more creditable the conduct of the clergy would be found. The difficulties arose, not from the clergy, but from the payers of tithe. He thought the status quo might form a basis for a general arrangement. The compulsory principle would be attended with some difficulties. He thought that it would be most desirable to enlarge the powers of the Commissioners, so as to give them a greater latitude in dealing with extreme cases. With this condition, he thought the compulsory clauses might be retained. Any measure, however, ought in his opinion to be accompanied by the principle of re demption, for with it the tithe-payers were likely to ac quiesce in better terms for the Church. The question was then put that the Bill re-committed. On the question that the Speaker do leave the Chair, Mr. LENNARD rose to move, pursuant to previous notice, that it be an instruction to the committ.tee to insert provisions enabling owners of lands, where there had been a compulsory commutation as regards the original owners of such lands, to re-open the_ variation at successive periods of ten years, when it shall appear that the annual value (to be ascertained by valuation) of th 6 tithes, if they had been taken in kind, for the preceding five years, after de ducting 25 per cent., would have been one-third less than the sums annually paid on account of such composition within the same five years. The Hon. Member proceeded to show by a variety of instances that the operation of the Bill would be unjust, unless the principle of the pro posed instruction were embodied in its provisions. The objection to the plan was, that it made the charge on the land permanent, without reference to the nature of the soil or the fluctuations or reductions in value which the pro duce might undergo. There were many cases to which this objection would apply. For instance, no regard was paid to the possibility of a repeal of the corn laws, a mea sure the result of which would be to throw a considerable portion of the land out of cultivation. The only exception made seemed to be in favour of hop-grounds. In the manufacturing towns, too, the property was liable to de crease in value, yet no provision was made in this Bill against the injustice which would result from the permanent and. immutable tithe payment fixed under the Commutation Act. Another case of probable injustice against which the Bill did not provide, was that which would arise where the land subjected to the commutation was on the sea shore. It would frequently happen that tithe would be paid on account of soil so situated, portions of which would be annually washed away by the sea. But this Bill made no provision for such a case. Another inconvenience of the Bill was, that it made no distinction between rectorial and vicarial tithes ; whereas the fact was that rectorial tithes were much more valuable. Another undue ad'vantage given to the tithe owner under this Bill was that by the payment of tithe half-yearly hereafter, instead of yearly, as heretofore, the tithe receiver would be the gainer by the amount of half a year's discount, as it were, upon the money paid. It might be urged that the cases for which he sought to provide were too much of the nature of extreme cases ; but, as far as he could understand the principles which actuated that House in it's decisions, it was prepared to avoid unnecessarily inflicting injury on individuals while carrying into effect any measure of great public advantage. For his (Mr. Lennard's) part, he felt assured that if this Bill were allowed to pass without there.being some provi sion for the extreme cases to which he had referred, and others which might also be brought forward, that injustice which it was always the object of the House to avoid would be done to the tithe payer. The Hon. Gentleman con cluded by movinc , the instruction to the Committee which he had previously read. The SPEAKER (as we understood) suggested whether the more convenient course would not be to move the in struction the Hon. Gentleman proposed after the House had gone into Committee ? Mr. LENNARD had conceived that to be the proper time to bring forward his motion. If, however, it would be more convenient to wait until the House had got into Committee, all he could say was, that he was quite ready to adopt that course. Lord J. RUSSELL had no objection to the instruction being disposed of then or after they had got into Corn mitce, but the latter would, probably, be the more con venient course. Mr. PARROTT must object to their proceeding fur ther with this Bill without a full discussion of all its provi sions. No sufficient discussion on the subject had as yet taken place, although the measure affected no less an amount than from 25,000,000/. to 30,000,0001. a year ; and without discussion how were they to have the numerous facts and hardships which it involved properly and clearly brought out, so as to enable the House and the country to form a judgment as to whether such a plan was expedient or not ? At present he would venture to say that little or nothing was known of the question com prehended in this Bill, either in or out of that House ; and therefore he thought the better way would be to discuss it now, and defer the further proceedings upon it till after the recess. He was willing to acknowledge that a compulsory system of composition was absolutely necessary. A vo luntary composition c o u ld no t, i n hi s o pinion, effect that purification which they desired to see carried into the tithe system ; but still he wished to hear the question put upon its proper basis. It was simply a question between the tithe-owners and the land-owners, and that was the only light in which it should be discussed.—(Hear, hear.) By the first clause it appeared that two Commissioners were to be appointed by the Crown and one by the Archbishop of Canterbury, with power of removal. He did not think the plan laid down in this clause would be of any advantage. He should now pass on to the 28th and 29th clauses, and it was his opinion that those clauses ought to be omitted. The 29th clause provided for extreme cases, and it appeared that wherever a composition had taken place the average of that compensation was to be made the basis of the rent charge ; but would this, he put it to the Noble Lord, be either fair or just, without all due allowance being made for the peculiar nature of the land, and the other local cir cumstances of each distinct case ? If, however, these mat ters were to be taken into consideration, he had no doubt that the object intended would be answered, and that the arrangement would be carried into execution Without irri tation or difficulty.—( Hear.) The Noble Lord should not forget that it was easy for the landowner at any time so to change his crops as to either increase or diminish the amount of tithes. If he reduced his land to pasture he might rear upon it cattle that were not titheable, and, there fore, unless the protection of the tithe receiver, as well as of the tithepayer, were attended to, the Government would have taken but an imperfect view of the whole subject.— i(nHitteeaer.) It was his on intention, propo s e a when e on y o g f o o into r C ce o n m j. on the compositions under certain circumstances, but he observed that it contained a clause by which either of the parties might, if he was not satisfied, have the valuation made upon the gross produce. Now, if this were to be allowed, all he could say was, there could be no doubt that in many cases it would go the whole length of confiscation. To such a clause he certainly had a strong objection. Mr. BLAMIRE thought the Noble Lord (Lord J. Rus sell) was entitled to the thanks of the country for bringing the subject forward, and although the measure was not so perfect as could be desired, still he hoped it would lead to a friendly and satisfactory settlement of the ques tion, so far as it was possible for them to settle it, in the course of a short time.—( Hear, hear.) He knew of many instances in which he was convinced it would operate not only most hardly, but injuriously.—.(Hear, hear.) Within the last twenty-five years as many as six millions of acres of waste lands, not previously in tillage, had been brought into cultivation. These lands, owing to the accumulation of vegetable matter upon them, and not by reason of the goodness of the soil, had been found produc tive ; but as their fertility was not enduring the sum ori ginally paid as a composition for the tithe on them would now , be found much too large ; yet, under this Bill, no relief could be obtained in such cases. It was well known the composition for tithes was very unequal, and in some cases thirty per cent. more was paid than ought to be pa id, whi le in others the payment was thirty per cent. less than it ought to be. He could mention many instances of the kind, and in which this Bill would raise a s mall composition to a considerable rent charge. The effect, however, of such an arrangement would be to cause a great proportion of land to be thrown into pasture or grass lands, and in cases where lands recently under corn, and of course subject to tithe, had been planted, it would be most unfair to saddle it with a rent charge. But it was wholly impossible for them to do justice to all parties. They must be content to be just according to a general scale, and not . with refere nce to each individual case. — ( Hear , hear. ) If, however, the Noble Lord should say that cases of hardship would rarely occur, he should answer that they would be by no means rare, and therefore, if it were intended that a large dis cretionary power—a power which he hoped would not be placed in their hands—should be given to the Commis sioners, all he had to say was, that he trusted they would be enabled to protect the tithe receiver as well as the tithe payer.---(Hear, hear, hear.) He feared, however, that the plan, as it stood, would open the door to much difficulty and speculation. He knew that some theorists wished a certain portion of the rent to be taken as the basis of the composition ; but, as far as the north of England was con cerned, such a course, he was persuaded, could only lead to unutterable confusion.—(Hear, hear.) He knew of some land that paid thirty per cent. on the rental as tithe, while he knew of other land which, though equal in fertility, but varied in cultivation, paid only one-and-a-half per cent. There was no reason why the circumstances of farms should not in the course of a few years be transposed ; or why the cultivation of them should not be altogether changed.--:(Hear.) There were another set of Gentle men who thought that the only way of satisfactorily settling the question was by ascertaining the quality of the soil throughout the country ; but this plan appeared to him to extremely objectionable. He was willing to admit that a system of voluntary or individual commutation would be insufficient to remove the evils complained of, especially in the north, because of the great delay which it would occa sion, and in addition to this there would be found in every parish some wrong-minded individualosvho would be always sure to act contrary to his neighbour. It was beyond the reach of human ingenuity to settle the question by one ge neral enactment, and, therefore, all the Government could do would be to place the parties in the best possible posi tion to make satisfactory arrangements among themselves. —(Hear, hear.) In this way he was anxious to see the principle of the Noble Lord's Bill acted upon. The Noble Lord should first ascertain the value of tithes in each pa rish, benefice, or tithing district, and, having done so, he should leave each place to settle and applot the amount of the rent charge to be p a id b y way o f compos i t i on, without anyinterference on the part of the Commissioners.—(Hear, hear.) In his part of the country he had no doubt that such a proposition would be acceded to as satisfactory, for he could tell them that in the north the people generally stood in great dread of the Noble Lord's Bill, not only re garding the machinery of it as complex, but calculated to entail on them an endless and unnecessary expense, without the prespect of producing a satisfactory result. --(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord talked of an appeal ; but surely he must be aware that in a great number of cases such a right would not be worth exercising. Those with whom he (Mr. Blamire) had spoken on the subject—and they were persons whose professional, as well as local, know ledge enabled them to give an opinion that was deserving of attention—stated, that unless the sum amounted to 30/. or 401. an appeal would be madness. If this were the case did it not follow that when the amount was only 71., or any other trifling sum, the right of appeal would be in effect barred ? The Hon. Gentleman proceeded to say, that in parts of the country with which he was acquainted they had always found it the best way, in case of disputed assessment, for the parish to meet, and then the applotment was allotted without any difficulty. In any parish where this mode was resorted to he had not ,known any difficulty to occur. He believed that under the Voluntary Tithe Composition Act this had been the course pursued in Ireland, and he was not aware that any difficulty had been found in regulating the applotment und er thi s pl an . H e h o p e d that a provision would be introduced into the Bill providing that on the pe tition of a sufficient number of the inhabitants they should be empowered to adopt the voluntary system of assessment, and to make the applotment themselves. He regretted that in the Bill before the House no provision whatever was made for the numerous tithe suits now pending, and which had not been brought to issue, in the hope that some pro vision would be made for them in the settlement of this great question. He was anxious that some provision should be introduced to enable parties to give portions of common land to the tithe-owners in lieu of tithes. He would also wish the insertion of a clause in the Bill, declaring that the majority should in all cases of voluntary composition bind the minority. Lord HOWICK could not agree in the opinion which the Hon. Member for Cumberland had expressed, that in the present state of the country it was desirable that they should hold out an inducement and temptation to volun tary commutation. He certainly admitted that in the part of the country with which he was connected, as well as that which the Hon. Member for Cumberland came from, there would be found a general disposition to enter into the voluntary commutation on fair principles. But from what he had heard and seen of the feeling entertained on this subject, he feared that to pass a measure of voluntary com mutation would be to effect the greatest injustice to many parties in the end, and in the meantime to produce a great deal of inconvenience to the public at large. If the pro position for voluntary commutation had been made at an earlier period, he did not doubt but that it would have been attended with the best success. It appeared to him that, whenever the doctrine of compulsory commutation was broached, there was a great difficulty placed' in the way of voluntary commutation, and any voluntary commu tation that might take place was not likely to be at tended with satisfactory results. This must be antici pated where there were conflicting interests. On one side it was the interest of one party to evade payment, and of the other to assert the payment ; and supposing that six or seven years were laid down as the period at which compulsory commutation should take place, both parties in the meantime commenced preparations for an event which they all foresaw. On each side there was an endeavour to do whatever would be likely to render the compulsory composition which must occur most conducive to their own interests. Now to hold out the remote ex pectation of the compulsory assessment would, he thought, be very injudicious. In the meantime, the land would, in many instances, be converted into plantation, or other simi lar disposal made of it. Now he did not fear that this would take place extensively in the north, but it might per haps be the case in the south. Now the mere circumstance of throwing out of employment in this way a great number of persons engaged in the cultivation of arable land, would in itself be a great evil. Then there would be the injury felt by various small traders in country towns, who were in the habit of supplying this labouring population. When these consequences were fully looked into, he was sure that they would not be content with a plan of mere voluntary commutation. The Noble Lord proceeded to contend that great inconvenience would be . felt from applying the volun tary principle, holding out at the same time the remote ap plication of the compulsory principle. But if they felt the necessity of applying the compulsory principle, he would ask, could that principle be carried into effect better than by the present Bill ? The Honourable Member for Cumberland had stated, and most truly, that to make the future charges on land not proportioned to the amount of tithes, but to the amount of rent, would be in itself a very great injustice. If, indeed, they were now for the first time about to make an endow ment to the Church, he would not say but that it might be better to make such endowment consist of some proportion of the rent of the land than of the gross produce ; but to do so now would be to sweep away an extensive institution, and to raise up another in its stead. The Hon. Hember for Totness had stated that in his opinion they ought in the assessment look at nothing but the agreement made between tithe-payer and tithe-owner. Now he (Lord Howick) did not think that a fair principle to be applied. He could easily conceive a great many cases where a great difference existed between those parties. However, on this point the principle laid down in the course of the discussion by an Hon. Member who spoke at that side of the House ap peared to him (Lord Howick) most satisfactory. That principle was to ascertain, as far as could be, the existing agreements, and when those agreeements presented any dif ficulty, that a power should be given to ascertain the amount that ought to be paid. He believed he was just in presuming that some compulsory measure would be found necessary, and, such being the case, he did not think that that principle could be better carried into effect than by the present Bill. He hoped, therefore, that there would be no objection to allow the measure, as the principle seemed admitted, to go into committee, and they would then have an opportunity of considering the objections that had been made to the details of the measure.--( Hear.) Sir R. PEEL said—l am not opposed in principle to com pulsory compensation, and should be so far ready to concur in the principle of the measure before the House, and to apply myself to the objections urged against the details when the Bill goes into Committee. But if, in point of fact, as the Noble Lord seems to suppose, we concur in the principle of compulsory commutation, the policy of adopt ing that principle depends so much on the machinery which we employ to work it out, that it is difficult to consider the principle without, at the same time, taking into our consi deration those details and that machinery on which the success of the principle so mainly depends.—(Heir, hear.) I agree in the first observation of the Noble Lord, that, in attempting to make any arrangement on the volun tary principle, the success of such an attempt is greatly to be doubted after you have once declared that the compul sory principle is to be applied. I am sure that the Noble Lord will admit that this is the stage in which we are in the most advantageous position to discuss any objections that may be urged against the principle of the Bill. The Noble Lord has stated the great advantage that will result from the adoption of the compulsory principle. I admit that his opinion is well founded, provided that its applica tion be found satisfactory. Now, unless the principle is consistent with equity, it cannot be satisfactory. The Noble Lord has stated that he objects to the volun tary principle. He says that persons will be found willing to adopt the voluntary principle so far as it suits their interests, but that they will be anxious to adopt the compulsory principle in any case where they consider that principle would be more conducive to their own advantage. But if the Noble Lord thinks that the compulsory principle would be better and more satisfactory, how does it happen that he extends the period to intervene before its adoption to two years ? Now, would not six months be quite sufficient time to limit the application of the compulsory principle to ? But the Noble Lord, in op position to his own objections, extends the period a year and a half longer than necessary, and though he objects to vo luntary commutation, nevertheless he extends the period 1...... .............o••••• ... . for the application of that principle to two years. Now, 1 do not see the ad va nt ag e o f that. You tell partie s that they are at liberty to enter into voluntary commutation ; but that if they do not do so at the end of two years the commutation is to be compulsory. This was not the course which I proposed to pursue. I was anxious in the measure I proposed in the first instance to apply the voluntary prin ciple, and I would afterwards, if it became necessary, as 1t probably wou ld i n some cases , app l y th e co mpulsory princi ple in any arrangement that might take place. I would have made m y ex p er i ence o f t h e vo l un t ar y agreements the basis of such arrangement. There perhaps might not be so much difficulty in the way of the settlement of this question if we had only two classes to deal with. If we had merely to determine between the tithe-owner and the tithe-payer, the difficulty would be considerably diminished. But then, in any settlement of these interests we are bound to consider that there is a third party whose interests are not to be lost sight of—l mean the Church. It has been said of this measure that its object was to render rough justice ; but I fear that rough justice would not answer the purpose, or g i ve ge nera l sa ti s f ac ti on t o th e country. will not now enter into the details of the measure. The volun tary system has, as I am i n f orme d, a l rea dy operated well' It has not told to the full extent which was expected, but sufficient time has not been allowed to judge fairly of its operation.—(Hear, hear.) The lands, too, in this country have had their crops increased by artificial means—bY t he lFge application of capital and industry, and by a for ced tillage. This has been rendered necessary by the competi tion which increased intercourse has produced with the more fruitful parts of Ireland and Scotland.—(Hear, hear.) Then there is another reason why we should legislate with extreme caution in this question. I mean the general and increasing application of railroads. Whether, as specula tions, these will or will not prove successful to those who enter into them, one thing is certain, namely, that if made , they will create a great revolution in the value of property. And it will be difficult now to estimate the value of lands with reference to the changes which those railways ar e calculated to produce.—(Hear, hear.) See what the on' sequences of extended steam navigation in Scotland have been. See what a vast difference it has produced in the relative value of land in that country.--{clear, hear.) The result of these railways 'will be almost to annihilate space. They will bring into competition with those lands from which towns are now supplied the lands of distant districts, and that competition will be felt formidably by those lands of inferior quality in the vicinity of towns which wer e able to compete with the others only through the advantage of that vicinity.—( Hear, hear.) Is there not, then, par ticularly at this period, great danger in enforcing this Cow pulsory commutation? We give encouragement to the et' , tension of the power of steam, which, it is admitted, can in a great many in s t ances , exerc i se a vas t i n fl ue nce in alter ing the relative value of lands ; and yet, at the same time, we propose to enforce a compulsory commutation on an average of the la s t seven y ears , no t w ith s t an di ng the gre at change likely, and at no distant period, to take place (Hear, hear.) These surely, are matters upon which the House is called upon to bestow its most serious considers' tion.—(Hear, hear.) Sir, I feel that the Church is deeply interested in this subject. It is her interest that a measur e professing to be for her service should be founded 0 0 ..P! s i tice.—(Cheers.) Now, with regard to vicarial and rectorla tithes, this measure would operate unjustly for many reasons. For instance, the forme r are f ar more difficult of collec tio . than the latter. In c i v il ma tt ers th e vo l untary systetn.! always a desiderat u m, an d it i s on l y i n t h e eve nt of 11 . 1 failure that men resort to the law for redress. Of emi rs° when I speak of voluntary commutation I do not mel l individual will. I n or d er t o e ff ect t h e commuta tion wit I contemplate th ere mus t necessar il y b e so muc h corer' . sion as that, where a certain number of parishioners are agreed upon it, it will not b e l e f t i n t h e power of any ei c ' i e individual to obstruct the arrangement. lam most real, to afford every assistance in my pow er t o perfect the details of the Noble Lord's measure ; but I am so apprehensiv e° f the consequences of the compulsory p r i nc ipl e a t the pr e.. sent time that I think it will not be at all calculated to re move the evils against which it is intended to provide. Mr. H. C URTEIS was understood to say, that althonolti in some districts the voluntary system might be actin upon, those in his part of the country were not likely adopt it. e -Lord J. RUSSELL h a d no d es i re w h a t ever t o hurry the Bill through the Hou se . With regar d to t h e question of voluntary or compulsory, h e did not t hi n k th e Right lietil • Gentleman (Sir R. Peel) h a d answere d th e observation of his Noble Friend (Lord Howick.) The Right Hon. G en ; tleman contended that the compulsory clause would hav e tendency to prevent voluntary c o mmu t a ti on . To him (14°d r J. Russell) it seemed q uit e o th erw i se . If five yeari weree allowed for the voluntary commutation some vague MI , might exist of still greater advantages, and thus the colon it . tation might be withheld ; but if a year or a year and a ha' only were allowed, parties seeing the compulsory reet isur : fixing certain terms was near at hand, would th er efore,, more desirous of coming to a volunt ar y arrangement. therefore greater proportion of those interested would say that it wa s scatcely worth their while to remain in doubt for some trifling per tentage. On these grounds he was of opinion that a voluntary commutation would be hastened by the near prospect of a compulsory one —(Hear, hear , he ar.) Many objections had b een ma d e to this measure, but it was ea sier to make obj ec ti ons t h an obviate difficulties. It was pro posed to mak e th e commutat i on bear a propor tion to the rent, and som e se t i t d own at a s i xt h . Now, one of the wit nesses examined before the Agricultural Committe e being asked the p ro p or ti on w hi c h his tithe bore to his rent, stated that his tith e was s s . 6d. an d hi s rent 14 s . Would they reduce that ss. 6d. to 2s. 4d. ?--(Hear, hear.) It had been e argued by an Hon. F r i en d o f hi s (L or d J. Russell's)initbo: House, that commut a ti on h a d b een ma d e by private Bil s the principl e o f a p ro p or ti on o f t h e rent . Thi s w as no gr°e, ie , to go upon, for the re was a difference between two Par.'„o who knew the prope r ty th ey were d ea li ng w ith entering Ingean agreement—theres reo was a difference between that Ibe., sanctioning such an agreement and its passing an A ct er , deling commutation compulsory on the principle of a I:VP t o f tion of the rent. It was b e t ter i n di scuss i ng the subjee.oo, proportion to take as a st an d ar d t h e ma tt er in cl ue° ) namely, the tithe of the produce of the land.—( The only proper measure was to give out of an acer a fi on . these from fifty to sixty or seventy per cent. Th e hieh Member for Cumberland had given some instances in v! d id this plan would operate hardly. He (Lord J. Russel!) the not deny but there might be such instances, for it was to very nature of commutation to generate them, but then l" i n to Hear, heaer•of they with these the advantages resulting should be taken itity consideration. The exchange would take away a P ee d in.- which at present pressed upon labour and industry, an t ,, stead of this penalty would accord them en couragem en erot a • (Hear, hear, h ear .) Th e average was to b e f o rmed to . the last seven years. Though during that period gr eet , P r ess gress had been ma d e i n agr i cu l ture, i t was a Pre 7 . 0 be which still continued to increase, and was not likely ion s arrested. It was th ere f ore most pro b a bl e t h at l ar ge : of land would be brought into cultivation by the °TW A t he tion of capital, labour, and skill ; and to such lat er .) measure would prove highly advantageous.—(He',' o P per ; In a land th e p opu l at i on o f wh i ch increased b y 280,u o wa s annum, and in the quantity and quality of which tbe r _dd no falling off, but, on the contrary, an increase, there c those not be a falling off of agricultural produce. ' Und e r ' . t i t he, circumstances the measure, which fixed the rate m to i t o must be of advantage to those who vested their cal' or ne agricultural pursuits. Several individual cases had c v e to his kno w l e d ge o f th e great b ene fi t which would ro' accrued to the former, if an A c t lik e th a t w hich he n° vv jou bt posed had been in operation. There could be " 0 wo uld that by the commutation of tithes great advantag es ot irell • be gained by th e coun t ry genera ll y , th ou gh be e eas es despaired of introd uc i ng any A c t un d er w hich somehow-) of individual hardship would not occur.—(Hea r ' o bsti" He was disposed to go into Committee, not with an co y nate predetermination, but with a view to listen to r u s t proposition whi c h cou ld b e ma d e to di m i n i s h an O Y O P g i ld hardship. He had no d ou b t t h at some sugg estio w hich be thrown out i n th e course of the Committee VI; he should find reason to approve of.—(Be ar.) at all • principles o f th e Bill he believedto be fair ; and events, it was conceived with honest intentions' ha d with a view to do justice to all parties. 11 not heard, he must say, that the Clergy of the con? trY e n g in c ; nerally complained of the Bill, although it would to the t he cases take away 40 per cent, of their property , sch' _.., on Hon. Member for Southwark had said was a robbere.Yoo. the part of the landlord. He had not heard any 01 . did plaints of this Bill, so far as it a ff ec t e d the ClergY end he believe that it would be obj ec ti ona ble to the titn' e F e d to and if by this measure h e succee d e d i n putting ar to ght litigation between the tith e p a y er an d titheowner, to entryto that the Bill would co n f er a great b oon on the c He had heard complaints and statements, certainlY,tm the extent to which he could hardly give credit, as_ ro le, amount of deductio n w hi c h i t was sa id ou ght to be at ter and he was of opinion, after giving them the umab, oc iples tive consideration, th a t a measure foun d e d on the P d r`, coe rs, of this Bill would b e a very great b ene fi t t o the fan no t w i s h and not inequit a bl e t o t h e t i t h e rece i ver . Be did to hurry the measure ; a ll d ue del ib erat i on would beri to it.—(Hear, bear.) o re Sir E. KNATCHBULL thought there would be a r If cases of hardship than the Noble Lord had anticiPettere s eas the Noble Lord meant when he said that agricul;ods i n likely to advance that the more highly cultivat d e doubt ios England, and those lands in Ireland which would, e i e nt t? • speedily be brought into cultivation would be sum een t tt ; i t ' th e ; meet the demands of our population to whatever might increase, he fully agreed with him. But w was to become of the inferior soils under such eomP tv won l e They would be thrown out of cultivation, and . 13 ° e rrov it be possible for them to pay the amount of tithe ta P ken on 'neatly fixed upon them by this Bill, on an a verage At pre:* the basi s o f th e i r present va l ue ?—(Hear, ha the Of t sent he would only sa y, that whatever the re Abk...