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- r* )- "- ;t2;l . , .. kA , • • N k_,l 0 0 , : f • t. 4, ' : • A --- : ' :W . S a • -.48„., ,. . ..--, 4 •;,,.! - . 4414 (//f(4 - 1 //lA/ ea 4 d - fa; V l 7"4 ,7 , -- 0 1 6 ....... 0, ~✓. PRICE SEVENPENCE. NUMBER 10,478. TUESDAY EVENING, APRIL 11, 1826 TO THE PROPRIETORS Or EAST INDIA STOCK. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE ELECTION of SIX DIRECTORS of the EAST INDIA COMPANY teeing appointed for WEDNESDAY, the 12th of April next, the favour of your Vote anti Interest is requested for the following Gentle- PA RL I AM E NT. prefefence in our markets.—The petition was read and ordered to lie on the table. Sir 0. CLERK presented a petition for the abolition of Sla very from the'Univer!tity of St._ Andrew's. HOUS: OF LORDS, APRIL 10. SCOTCH BANKING SYSTEM. BOROUGH OF BYE. Sir W. INGLEBY moved for a Writ of Supersedess re calling the writ that he had recently obtained for the elec tion of a Member to serve for the Borough of Rye, the pre ceding Member not having accepted the Chiltern Hundreds. —Ordered. • Petitions against any alteration in the Banking System of Scotland were presented by the Duke of ARGYLL. from the county of Argyll, and from the borough of Inverary ; by Lord MELVILLE, from the county of Kirkcudbright, from Musselburgh, from the Tenantry and Occupiers of Land in the county of Linlithgow and from Shetland. The Earl of LIMERICK presented a petition from Pro prietors of Land in the county of Limerick, against extending the prohibition of small notes to Ireland. Mr. W. DUNDAS, Mr. BROGDEN, and others, brought up several private bills from the Commons. The Earl ot'SHAFTESBURY moved the second reading of the Manchester and Liverpool Rail-road Bill. The Earl of DERBY would not oppose the present stage of this Bill, but would reserve his objections until the committee. The objections were so strong, that if they were properly stat ed, he believed their Lordships would never consent to pasts it. The Noble Earl presented several petitions against the Bill, from different individuals. men, viz.:— JOHN BEBB, Esq. CHARLES MILLS, Esq; JOHN LOCH, Zig. JAMES PATTISON, Esq, Which will much oblige, Ladies and Gentlemen, Your most humble Servants, John Masterman CampbellMarjoribanks John Morris Gei). Abercrombie Robinson John Petty Muspratt Josias Du Pre Alexander Edward Parry Henry Alexander Richard Chicheley Plowden William Astell Charles Elton Prescott John Baillie Raikes Jacob Bosanquet 4. Goldsborough Ravenshaw Robert Campbell William Stanley Clarke Neil Benjamin Edniondsone Sweny Toone Robert Townsend Farquhar Wigram Hugb Lindsay kart India House, March 29. 1226. Sir:/:ROWI.F.Y presented a petition from Kinsale, pray .ing that provision might be made for the protection of the interests of the Corporation, which would otherwise be in jured by the Bill for the Improvement of Ptisons in Irebind. IMPROVEMENTS IN WESTMINSTER. 31r. fIOIIIIOUSE presented a petition from the inhabitants of Charing-cross. praying that compensation might be made to them for the injury they would sustain in the improvements Lbout to be effected by the demolition of their respective houses. It was customary in all such cases to make compen sation to possessors of leasehold propertr, but the petitioners held their liouscs at the will of the Dean and Chapter of Weat, minster. Till* tenancy was made, by the custom of the pro. perty, as valid as if leases had been granted. Some of the peti tioners had held their houses on this condition for 37, "r even 70 years. lie conceived they were entitled to relief.—Tlte pe tition was ordered to lie on the table. George Smith John Thornhill Lord DACRES supported the Bill, which he observed wal of great importance to the commercial interests of two of the most important trading cities of the country. The objectixis to it proceeded from visionary fancies. The Earl of DERBY conceived that the measure was alto gether uncalled for. The Bill was read a second time. IG H T-H tJUSE DUES. Mr. HUME presented a petition from the Ship-owners of the county of Fife, complaining or the excessive charges made upon vessels by the Oommissioners of the Northern Lights. The dues so collected, he much feared, were not economically applied. He could state, that the collector at Yarmouth was allowed a commission of ten per cent., and when a vacancy oc curred, a respectable person offered to fill it for five of even two and a half per cent., notwithstanding which the Trinity House appointed a successor at the old rate of remuneration. The whole subject required revision. Sir JOSEPH YORKE said that the whole system ought to put upon a totally different tooting. He objected to the extra vagant charges made by the Trinity Bootie for their dinners and entertainments. TO TEIEPROPRIETORS OF EAST INDIA STOCK. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, H AVING the honour of being recommended to you by the Directors of the East India Company, as CANDIDATES for the DIRECTION to he chosen this Year, we take the liberty of requesting the favour of yonr VOTE on the Day of Election, WEDNESDAY, the 14th April next. We are, On the motion of the Earl of MAL MESH U RY, a message was ordered to the Commons, for a copy of the report of the Com mittee appointed to inquire into the county rates. The Earl of LAUDERDALE moved for copies of certain papers to be referred to the Currency Committee; and that Thomas Allen, Esq., banker, and others, be ordered to attend to give evidence before the said Committee.—Ordered. Petitions praying for the abolition of slavery were presented by the Bishop of BATH and WELLS, from Leominster, from Shepton-Mallet ' and from several places in Somersetshire ; by Lord SOME RS,from Hereford; and by Lord CLIFEIEN, from Amesbury. Sir L'COFFIN said, that it was the intention of Govern ment to consolidate the whole system, as soon as the private leases of Light-houses had expired. ‘Vith respect, to th: Trinity House dinners, all corporate bodies gave dinners. The Lord Mayor of London was much valued for his dinners. They were capital dinners, and the Lord Mayor was always valued for his annual dinners. Lathes and Gentlemen, Tour most obedient and most humble Servants, JOHN BEIM JOHN LOCH CHARLES MILLS JAMES PATIISON. 1826. PREVENTIVE SERVICE. The Earl of DARNLEY stated, that he wished to call their Lordships' attention to a lamentable accident which had oc curred on the coast of Kent, and which their Lordships might have seen noticed in the public papers. It appeared that a valuable ofliceihad lost his life in consequence of the measures adopted for the prevention of smuggling. He thought it his duty to bring the subject under the consideration of their Lord. ships, and therefore now moved that the House be summoned for to-morrow—Ordered. Mr. HUME said that the charges upon the merchants for Light-house dues might he lowered one.third of the present rate. APOTHECARIES' ACT . E*st India House, March 29, A ['L'IS'PS' GENERAL BENENOLENT INSTITUTION.—The Nobility, Friends, and Sub scribers, are respectfully informed, that the ELEVENTH ANNIVERSARY FESTIVAL will be celebrated in FREE MASONS' HALL, on SATURDAY, the 15th April, on which occ a sion the Right Hon. the Earl of LIVERPOOL, ICH., has most gmciously signified his intention to preside. STEWARDS. Right lion. Earl Pomfret Right Hon. Robert Peel, M.P. F.R.S. General. Grosvenor, 111. P. Josh. Delatield, Esq. Right Hon. Sir H. Russell, Bt. Hon. Geo. Agar Ellis, M.P. Jesse Watts Russell, Esq. M.P. F.R.S. James Morrison, Esq. truer, Esq. J. 11. Green, Esq. Thomas Grieves, Esq. T. C. Holland, Esq. George Morant, Esq. William Nicol, Esq. P. F. Robinson, Esq. M. A. Sharpe, Esq. George Tappen, Esq. Charles Turner, Esq. Samuel Woodburn A Esq, Jeffry Wyatville, Esq. • at Five o'Clock. the direction of Mr. Broadhurst, lilitary Band will attend. tding wine), to be had of the 14, Duke-street. Portland. 'Tavern. J. ROPER, Assistant See. C. H. Tui R. Ackemtann, Esq. Williant Behnes, Esq. John Blades, Eq. C. M. Clarke, Esq. C. R. Cockerill, Esq. W. Collins, Esq. R.A. 1). Colnaghi, Esq. Jno. Constable, Esq. A.R.A. John Dickinson, Esq. Etty, Esq. A.R.A. John de Fleury, Esq. Dinner on Table The Vocal Department under and the puke of Oloucester's 31 Tickets at I/. Is. each (inclu Stewards ; the Assistant Secret& Place ; and at the Freemasons' • FOR COUGHS. • PECTORAL ESSENCE OF COLTSFOOT. THE Herb COLTSFOOT has lons*, been dis. tinguishetl fur its excellent properties in the Cure of Coughs, and other Puhnonary Co , oplaints; and this Essence 4 8 , in the course of a long pract'ce, been found the most Etle and effectual remedy for Coughs, and all Disorders of lin! Lungs. It gently opens the Breast and immediately Rives l'herlY of breathing, without any danger of taking cold, and thus it affords great relief in Asthmatic Com hlainti. It ;Mari the tickling which provokes frequent c :" l oing. cleanses the small glands, relaxes the fibres, and thereby enlarges the cavities of the vessels. Thus it. will Pre.vent Consumptions, if taken before the Lungs are ulcer ated. It softens husky and dry Coughs, and heals rawness and soreness of the Chest. Pik Pectoral Essence is prepared by James Ryan, Surgeon, !n Bristol ! and sold its bottles at Sa. 6d. each, by F. New berry arid Sons, 45, St. Paul's Church, yard; .1. Sanger, 00, 9rot& street ; Hawkins, Old Bond-street; Stradling, Royal .Exchange ; Harris, Ludgate-street; and William I'egg, 49, Dame street, Dublin. That only is genuine which has the ttenne, " F. Newberry," engrav,d on the Government Stamp 'I each Bustle. lIREADFUL HAVOC IN TRADE.-The Public is respectfully informed, th a t 27 f a il ures in the arn o , "tY of Wholesale Dealers (nin e h ave b ecome b an k rupts) , fig which are, Irish Linen Factors, Scotch Table Linen Dealers, Manchester IVarehousemen, Deal ers I n C otton G oo d s atal Silks, Norwich Manufacturers of Bombazines Cash meres, rich Silk Shawls and Crapes, Scot c h F actors , 'Dealers Musling, Shawls, Sheetings, and Bed Ticks, Witney Blanket Warehousemen, Barnsley Sheeting Agents, and sTititlfields Silk Dealers. The above Stocks amount to 110,0001. sterling, and must be Sold off forthwith, to make a speedy dividend to - the creditors. Families furnishing new establishments (with ready money) will find this an opportunity that will never again occur. The above stocks are removed to the corner of Redeross-street, Barbican, where the whole will be Sold Off with dispatch, by direction of Mr. Lloyd, Accountant, Who has engaged, as Salesman, William Gardner, John Thomp son Charles Wright, anti William Armstrong, to Sell Off int- Mediately, some of the Greatest liar gains ever kn own i n LINEN DRA PER Y, SILK ME RCERY, &c. &c.:-Finest Irish Linen, Is. 9d. a yard, worth 4s. Gd. ; some at Is., suitable for gentlemen's wear ; those at 9(1. are very good ; a lot at 4d. and Gd. a yard. Russia Sheeting, without a seam, Is. Gd. a yard ; 2i yards wide ditto, 2s. a yard ; the finest made, 2s. Gd. (the flictor's price was 3s. 9d.) a yard-sold ut the West End at Gs. f' o d yard ; 200 pieces of Russia Sheeting, Is. a yard, wort h 2 s . d. ; Mock Roasts, at 3d. and 6d., good for serv ants ' use. Damask Tabl e Cloths, 2s. Gd . each ; large size, 3s. 6d. ; the best quality, three yards square, 10s. 6d. ; four yards long, 16s. 6,1 • ; six yards lo ng , 21 5 ., worth 50s. Damask Napkins, fis. per dozen; th e b est an d l argest s i ze , B s . 6d. Bombazin es , t h e finest quality, Is. a yard, cheap at 3s. 9(1. ; 20 pieces at 4d., Gd., and 9(1. a yard-=2OO p er cent. of the factor's price. Rich Lustrings, Is. tid a yard, cost 3s. 3d. Silk Shawls, 10s. e b A., worth 30 s . ; t h ose at 13 s . are c h ea p a t two guine as . I ) kb wide Black Sarcenet, Is. 911. Gros de Naples, 3 t l . Blankets, Is. a pair ; those at 3s. are very large ; the v ery best lambs' wool, three yards square, 14s. Gd. cost the factor, 355. Th ree y ar ds square Couut er panes, ss. 9d. ; four rd. ditto, fis. 6d. Beautiful Quilts, 9s. ; three yards square, ; the largest and beat, 215., worth three guineas. The fi nest Welch Flannel, 2s. a yard, yard wide factor's price 35.9 d.; V ery fine, Is. 3d. a yard ; some at 9d. worth 25.; those at 6d. are strong and wide. The Jacconot Muslin* are 6d. a yard ; the finest quality 15s. the piece (21 yards). Capital flucka back, 4 1 . a yard . Real Russia Towelling, 4,)d. a yard, worth 9 d. Also 2,0001. worth of soiled Irish Linens, Damask Nap kins, anti Table Cloths, to be sold in a small lots, at half the fa et°r's Price.-All to be sold at the corner of Redcross.street, Barbican, by NVm. Gardner, John. Thompson, Chas. Wright, Wm. Armstrong, salesmen.-All letters must be post paid._ Manufacturers' General Warehouse over the doors. BANK NOTES. The Marquis of LANSDOWN rose to introduce the Bi ll of which he had given notice before the late adjournment, and which he supposed their Lordships would, according to the usual courtesey of the house, allow to be now read a first time. The objector the Bill was to make 1.11 notes payable at places diffe rent from that in which they were issued, also payable where issued. It was not his wish at that time to trouble their Lord shipi by calling their attention to the provisions of the Dill until after it should be printed. He saw no reason why it might not be in their Lordships' hands in the course of a day or two, and should therefore with to move the second reading on Friday next. The Earl of LAUDERDALE asked whether the Noble Marquis meant that the Bill should extend to Scotland ? The Marquis of LANSDOWN certainly intended that Scotland should be included in the operation of the Bill. The Earl of LAUDERDALE would then have occasion to state to their Lordships very material reasons why this. Bill should not be so extended. He begged the Noble Marquis to recollect, that at this moment there was a Committee sitting to inquire Into the banking system of Scotland. Now if that was the case, he should think it would be more becoming in the Noble Marquis to defer proceeding with this Bill until after that Committee had me t o its eepay.t: The Marquis of LANSDOWN observed, that the object of the Committee was to inquire into the effects of the circula tion of small notes in Scotland and Ireland ; but whatever might be the result of that inquiry —whether the report should be in favour of, or against the continuance of small notes in Scot land,--it would in no degree affect his opinion. If the result should be the discontinuance of small notes, then the present bill would have no effect as to them. If it should be thought advisable to continue them, then the bill would be necessary. Thus his opinion could not be altered by any part which the legislature might be induced to take, and he therefore consider ed-it his duty to proceed with the bill. The Earl of LAUDERDALE said he was prepared to sub mit to the Committee, that if the measure proposed by the Noble Marquis were adopted, it would destroy 30 or 40 esta blishments in Scotland. He spoke in hearing of his Noble Friend, who knevi that banking could not be carried on in Scotland if the branch banks were to be suppressed, as they must be if this bill passed. He thought that the Noble Mar quis ought to delay the second reading of the bill until the evi dence to which he had alluded was brought before the Com mittee, and for the production of which he would be answerable. The Marquis of LA NSDOWN could see no reason for post. poning the second reading beyond Friday. In passing the Bill through that stage, the House would only agree to the prin ciple, and the Noble Earl would have an opportunity in the Committee of moving the rejection of the clause which extend ed the Bill to Scotland. The Bill was read a first time.—Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. A PERSON from the Treasury presented at the Barn return of the Small Profit Account of the Trinity House. A PEnsom from the Attorney-General's Office brought up a Return of the }xpences in the Attorney-General's Office, re. lative to Patents. A Return from the Treasury was also presented at the Bar, of all Papers relating to the intended improvements in the City of westminster. SCOTCH AND IRISH BANKING SYSTEMS. Mr. J. MACKENZIE presented two petitions from the County of Ross, and from a town in Scotland, agaiwu any al. teratibn in the existing Banking System of Scotland. Mr. MONTEITH presented a similar petition from the Royal Borough of Peebles. Mr. TYNDAL presented a petitionof a similar nature from the Royal Park of 11'hinnarsh. Similar petitions were presented by Sir G. WARRENDER from the inhabitants of the Royal Borough of Dunbar ; from the Farmers and others of Roxburglisiiire ; and from the Magistrates and Town Council of the Royal Borough of Dunbar SCOTCH CURRENCY. Mr. C. W. GRANT pr . eSented a petition from the Minister and Inhabitants of a Parish in the County of Edinburgh, against any alteration in the state of the Scotch Currency. Mr. S. WHITBREAD presented three petitions from the Surveyors of Highways, praying for a protection of their in terests affected by the Act for Consolidating the Turnpike Trusts of Roads near the metropolis. DEBTOR AND CREDITOR BILL. Sir 11. MARTIN presented a petition from the Merchants and Traders of Plymouth, praying that the Debtor and Credi tor Bill might petitions a 'Law. Two similar were presented by Sir C. COLE, from the towns of Cambridge and Ridgehearon. NEGRO EMANCIPATION. The Honourable Mr. KNOX presented two petitions from two parishes in Ireland, praying for the abolition of Negro Slavery. Sir C. COLE presented a petition from the county of Gla morgan to the amnia effect. Sir JOSEPH YORKE said, he rose to present to the House a petition from the inhabitants of the town of Riegate, praying that the House would be pleased to adopt those measures that would most effectually tend to a speedy improvement of the condition of th e Slave population in the West India Colonies. The petitioners did not go the length of praying for the total and sudden abolition of slavery, us they well knew that the edicts of that House co u ld not reach further than the guns of our men of war could carry them. But they did pray, that if the Colonies refused to listen to the Warning voice of the House, the Government would deprive then, of the protecting duty which they now possessed in favour' of their staple commodity —and that the sugar produced by free labour might have a Mr. HUME presented a petition from the Practicers Of Me dicine in the neighbourhood of London against the Act fin re gulating the practice of Apothecaries throughout England and Wales. The Bill had not answered its object. The'petitioners complained that they were exposed to have their drugs exa mined by partial drug merchants, whilst the retail druggists, who made up the greater part of the prescriptions, were ex empted from the examination. BANK OF ENGLAND ACCOUNTS. Sir F. BURDETT presented a petition from a person named W. Harris, who stated himself to he a Proprietor of Bank Stock, and therefore claimed the right of inspecting the Ac. counts of the Company, in order to ascertain the state of their profits. lie had applied to the Governor of the Bank for such permission, who had inforined him, that it was requisite to ob tain the consent of a majority of the Directors. The Peti tioner thought it Just and requisite that the accounts of the Company should be printed, and delivered to the Proprietors half•yearly. POTTERIES: - - Mr. MIME gave notice that he should, on Monday next, move for a 'select Committee, on the subject of Earthenware. Mr. LITTLETON said that he would not be prevented by the Hon. Member's notice, nor any resolution to which the House might come upon it, from moving the second reading of his Bill, which he considered of the greatest importance. ABOLITION OF SLAVERY. Mr. V. WYNN ',resented a petition from a district in Wales, praying the abolition of slavery in our Coloniet. Mr. CALCH AFT presented a similar petition from Ware ham. EAST INDIA WRITERS RILL. On the motion of 111 r. W. W VNN. the East India Writers Dill wee ordered to he committed on Friday next. Sir J. NEWPO RT gave notice of a motion for AVednesday, the nature of which we could not collect. PRIVATE DISTILLATION (SCOTLAND). The House went into a Committee on the Report of the Com mittee ,to inquire into the necosity of preventing Private Distil lation in Scotland. The House having resumed, the Report was brought up and agreed to, anti leave given to bring in a Bill to that effect. LEATHER ANC) SKINS' ACT. On the motion of Mr. LIE ititlEB, the Leather and Skins' Act went through a Committee.— Report to-morrow (this day). _ ASSESSED TAXES COM POSITION 1111,1.4. On the Motion of Mr. HERRIES, the Ilouse went into a Committee on the Assessed Taxes Composition MI A short conversation took place, in which Sir M. W. Ridley, Mr. R. Colborne, Mr. Berries, and Mr. Hume, took a part. After which, Mr. Alderman WOOD objected to the 13W, on the ground that it rent to continue the Assessed Taxes .for three years longer, which he considered a great grievance. AIL HERMES said, that when tt should be ihund expedient to make a further reduction of Taxes, this Bill could be no im pediment to their doing so. Mr. MAMMA' objected to a continuance of the Assessed Taxes, anti would take an early opportunity of moving for their repeal. lie wished to take that opportunity Of giving notice that he should diuide the House upon that part of his motion, which had for ita object the repeal of the House and Window Tax. - 31 r. HOLIHOUE rose to address the House, but a division having been called for upon the second resolution, the Hon. Member rem - lined his seat. • _ ..... _ The (Jallery way then cleared for a division, but though strangers were for some time excluded, no division took place. The Juries in India hill was read a second time and passed. The Irish Manor Courts' Bill was real a second time: CIVIL LisT.—SALARV TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF TRADE. t tw y r t ut on from he The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved that n the o Re a p s o C th l e vi c ti i s r t . Aets be brought up, and the tines- Mr. HOBHOUSE opposed the motion. He should be guilty he thought, of a frees dereliction ()rainy. it' he did not protest against this proceeding, and express his astonishment that Ministers should select this peculiar time for a most uncalled for argUmentstion of the burdens of the country, and for needless addition to the placemen and pensioners who already had leant in this House. In bringing forward his budget, the Chancellorof the Exchequer had feelingly complained of being encumbered with what he was pleased to. term_‘' paltry patron practice agreed with his infseifie•s'sYttemt's,sl4iisirtitrost'hacetwafhtoerviwlarte i t i v i a% to endeavour to split one placeman into two, in order to give 31inisters an additional vote. t he House, then, had a right to expect that sonic good ground shotild be made nut for such an extr aordin a r y course. A 1)3- rallel might be drawn from Church patronag,; it was known, that its the Bishoprie of Bristol wits endowed with small reve nues, the late Bishop and the present were allowed also to en joy the emoluments - derived from the Mastership of Trinity College. What then would be said to a proposition to_augment the revenues ot'. the Bishopric for the sake of separating from it the other office, which - hitherto had been coupled with it ? No m a n p reten d e d that the president of the Board of Trade was incompetent to discharge tl,te duties of Treasurer of .the Navy, and all that the Right Hon. Gent. (3lr. Huski.soo) h a d urged was, th a t he should bewitch more comfortable if his Sa lary were increased, and his labours diminished. B ut the ques tion Was not whether the Right lion. Gentlenten deserved more or less. but whether an addiuotial place ought to he in the gift of the Crown ? It was true that the Treawrership Of the Navy was su trivient. was no sinecure; but a Right Honourable Gentlemen who had held it twenty years ago, had declared, and had not ciern - con very pertinent question heti. tradieted, that an attendance of one hour per day Much had been said of the anxious responsibility of the.offi,-e,' a ti n ia d t tl a i n e x tes tri tjt: es n powansi,bwilliietythr 15001. a year should be paid foe been put on Friday to the Chancellor of the Exchtqueron this point, whence it appeared that the anxious re,ponsibility amounted to nothing, and that though in his time there had .been two heavy defaulters, he had not been - called upon to. pay a single farthing of the sum lost. -if the oflicerwere nut .re. eponsible with his fortune, he was not responsible at all ; and it was a mere farce to talk about it. Supposing, however, that there were any, it was wholly unnecessary, since the business of the:office ought to be so arranged as to render it impossible that the public should he losers. What, hen, was the reason for this addition ? The Right Honourable Gentleman did not want the money—he had obtained rewards far above pecuniary compensation, and it was heard upon him that his well-earned popularity should be obliged to carry weight—(hear hear !) that Ministers should endeavour to take' advantage of it, in order to fasten upon it a measure altogether unjustifiable From his unwillingness to chew the slightest disrespect to the President of the Board of Trade. he hardly knew how to shape his motion, but as he was bound to resist this proceeding, he should take the course of protesting against the Report. Out of doors but one opinion prevailed on the subject, where it was considered, as the Honourable Member for Taunton (Mr. Baring) had termed it—a Ministerial job. it had been urged hat formerly the two offices had existed separately, as if it were any reason for the vote to say that it was fit to revive an exploded absurdity—that experience was to be of no use, and I that because it hid been found very convenient and proper to unite them, they were now to be disunited. It was a hard case upon the House—upon the King's Ministers—aye, and upon the King's Opposition, too--( Hear ! and latighter),—that they were to be dragged through the mire, because it was thought proper by certain individual to pursue the course now recom mended. He (Mr. Hobhouse) called upon the Chancellor of the Exchequer to put his hand upon his heart, and declare as a conecientioueenan, and not us an intriguing AI inister, that this proposal ought to be adopted. To him it seemed a wanton at tempt to increase the already swollen number of Pjacemen with seats in Parliament. Nothing could more plainly spew the distress of Minister` upon this occasion, than the fact, that the President of the Board of Trade himself, had been obliged to Make a speech in favour of the motion, although he had done so in very good taste. He (Mr. Hobhouse) begged it to he understood that he had bestowed all praise upon the merits of the President,of the Board of Trade—thut in resisting the bringing up of the Report, he had not the slightest personal re ference, and that he did merely to give Hon. Members an op. portunity of dissenting from the doing an unnecessary act, in an unconstitutional mode. Lord GLENORCHY seconded the Amendment, and ob served upon the obvious difference between the principles and the practice of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Ministerial influence in this House was already inure than sufficient, since many benches were filled with those who were phicemen, and pensioners of the Crown. 31r. CANNING—On a question of so much personal feel ing on this and the other side of time House, he was very anxious before Hon. Gentlemen came to a vote, to state, as briefly and 'as plainly as possible, his view o( the question. He could not give a much better proof of his disposition to treat the mat ter with all fairness, than to assure the lion. Gentleman who spoke last but one, that he would not take advantage of time opportunity the amendment efforded of stating, that the Hon. Gentleman meant to offer an obstruction to the wholes plan, when, in fact, the opposition was only directed to one particu. lar part of that plan. It could not be understood, after what bad 'passed, that the amendment implied the slightest blame or disparagement of the President of the Board of 'ltalie. (Hear, bear !)--The Hon. Member (Mr. 11ohhoteee) had naked why the present unfavourable time was taken for introducing such a proposition ? The answer was plain : the question, in fact, originated with those wham the lion. Gentletnan had designated his Majesty's Opposition.—( Hear ! and laughter.) Government had not entertained the slightest intention of proposing the change until the suggestion came from the other side of the. House in a former Session. This suggestion had certainly been made under better auspices—when the pecuniary affairs of the country,had a more flourishing aspect, but the time was the misfortune,. not the fault of Ministers; it was their misfortune to be obliged to bring forward this question at a moment less favourable than that at which the suggestion had been made ; that suggestion was received with acclamation, although the motion was now met with critical objections. The hint having been given in the last year, Minister , thought that they could not shrink from the adop tion of it in the present. He could further inform the Honourable Gentleman, that Ministers had received an inti metion, from what they conceived good authority, that it' Go vernment did not stir in this business, some Member of the Opposition would, so that, in point at' time at least, those who brought forward the vote were completely exempted from responsibility. If he were compelled to purehase one of these offices, by the sacrifice of the other, he would certainly sacri fice the. Presidency of the Board of Trade, and retain that of the Treasurership of time Navy. This he would do with a view to the general advantage of the Government, rather than come to the compromise which wits not claimed. Look back to the his tory of time two Mikes. It scented to be contended that they were so naturally united, that nothing but the most barbarous policy ever separate them. The Board of Trade had existed long be fore the time of Mr. Bu rkeYe Speech on Economical Reform— a speech which still remained as 'a monument of his genius. The salary of the President of the Board of Trade was from 8,0001. to 10,000/. This was abolished by Ur. Burke's means, anti other Officers of Government undertook the duties of the office. At the same time Mr. Burke recommended some re. fbrms in the offices of Treasurerof the Navy and Paymaster of the Army on the same principles, aural, therefore, what he said as to the one applied to the other. What, then, was Mr. Burkes proposal with respect to the Treasurership of the Navy, which was then an office of great emolument ? Did he propose to abolish it, or say that the Treasurer ought not to have a seat in Parliament ? No such thing. Ile proposed that the public money, which then yielded great emolument to the officer, should be placed in time Bank, but, at the acme time, he said, " God forbid that he should wish to touch the regular emolument% of an important office, usually held by men of the highest rank," meaning, of course, rank in talents and esid hence in the house of Comthons. The public money, then, according to 31r. Burke, on; ht to be kept at the bank; but he hail no idea of abolishing an office venerable for its antiquity, anti generally held by men of the most eminent talents in the liouse of Commone. The hoard of Trade was then abolished, and its deities thrown upon other officers of Government ; and in 1785, a Bill passed, placing the office of Treasurer of the Navy upon the fboting which it stood till 1817, time pubic money kept in the Bank, and time Treasurer's salary being 4,000/. But the office had been held as often alone us coujnined with another. It was true that 31r. Demdas 'held it while he was at the same time President of the Board of Controul. In 1790 the Presidency of time Board of Controul became a salaried office, the- salary being 2,000/. in contemplation of the 4,000/. Which Mr. Duntitum as Treasurer of the Navy, on the 'principle that the emolument might be about equal to that of Secretary of State. Thus time metier stood till 1709. when Mr. Ryder succeeded to the office ml` freesurer of the Navy, but not w time Homed of Controul. In 1801, Mr. Bathurst succeeded to the office of Treasurer of' the Navy, and held it without any other office. In 1803, the Right onourable Gentleman opposite (Me Tierney) held the Treasurership without any other office. In 1804, he himself (Mr. Canning) minceeeded to time Treasurer.. ship, and held it without aly other office. In 1806, Mr. Sheri. dan succeeded him, and held the office separately. Li 1807, Mr. Rose succeeded Air. Sheridan in this office, and held it _along with the of Vice- Preeident of the Board of Trade, anti so the matter stood till 1812. In that year Mr. Rose ceased to be Vice-Preeieent of the Board of 'l'ratie, and held the office of' Treasurer of time Navy alone for six years atm, till the day, of his mleath ; so that it was a total mistake to sup pose that this office was always held jointly with another office it had been held quite as often alone. The office was certainly not a sinecure. elliet the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Tierney) had said on a former night, he (Mr. Canning) said now—that the Treasurer of the navy, being an officer I high in public trust, ought to hold his bane end his udents at the disposal of Government, in order 'to spare those servants of Government who were generally over-laboured, This was not merely his opinion—he Was stating only what had been said by a Committee of that House in 1/117, et the time Mr. Rose held the office alone, exclusive of any other office, with a t r y eu 4,000/. In the Report of that Committee, dated the 23d of June in that year, he found the folloiving observations " They esteem the salary paid to the Treasurer of the Navy as Much too large, and recommend a reduction o n been e n e y n future l te lately y • inumett to that eo us to place it on a level in respect at el b iolument with the Perimeter of the forces, its present ) 4 .l e l4 l9 y g tf t m l e L le g 7 , l ) l e ma u :er tl ::;" ( timt h l i o t r i ce w sn i l l ' e t t he office heti, been , vie. from 1604 to 105, while the eateries of the Lords of the irf b i t eLdr t va: a t i Y r t i t n i ;b l ,:tr l . ‘ r '' . 'i t ' iut al t . t o l e d u e l s? "Nil per r ei a n t i : n o l u w t i n l e D i v e:t r ee: h t e h e x i :ta k u n r i t y , 4‘mtfatmleirT3irttYeeswr;reet, 41 3' 1' ' t ' i t me T : r N es e e .e n .; tv ,o i ( ms ol n . te less than 1, 000!. Crp anntori, and there ie no doebt, that besides his official duties, th e Treasurer or thv Navy l'.as keen frequently l oo k e d to as the person to whom important Parliamentary and political busines d , . connected with the naval department, and the general concerns of Government, Should he confided. Whether these latter can. siderations will induce the House to continue the salary of 4,0001. or reduce it to 3,0001 a or any Other %dm, it is for. ' your elemmittee to inquire. They hate not in any case cone- - dered themselves Called upon to enter into political considerae . „ done of this nature, and have recommended the reduction heree- - • inlietbre proposed, on a mere view of the duties of the office itself, and on a principle o f assimilation to the Paymaster of the Forces." ThiS was not his language, but that of the Finance Committee of 1817, from which it evidently appeared to be in the contemplation of the Committee, that there might` exist, properly, certain Akre, the holders of which might have time to spare from the particular concerns of their own departmesits, for the general business tif, the Government, and they alluded to one case—that of Parliamentary business, to which such pereons had to attend. 'lhere were various Com— • mittees, especially, in which they might be called upon to ; and his Right HOnoitrable Friend, at this moment,. was Chairman of a most laborious Committee. There watt soy thing which contributed so much to break down the physi cal strength of a Noble Lord (Castlereagh), whom he was not worthy to have succeeded, as his laborious exertions in a Select Committee of that House. So that it was contemplated by their own Committee, that there ought to exist offices of this descrip tion for the general business of Government. The statements' of the Gentlemen opposite, the other night were Various. One said, that the two offices of President of the Board of Trade, . and Treasurer of the Navy, ought to be ineepeeablyjoinede-a Another thought that the salary of the Treasures of the Navy ought to be diminished ; and others objected to this measure; on die ground, that. the design was to get another *ate in Par-' liamenn The Gentlemen opposite had confessed, that Go vernment had done some good things ; but, on this Sup posed object of Ministers to catch another vote, they had e bestowed every vituperative epithet that could be applied to' it. Now he insisted that the present Government had shown no disposition to increase the ptoronage of the Crown, ur to make offices for the sake of votes. The Honourable and. Learned Member for Caine (Mr. Abercrombie) had adverted to the office of Vice-Treasurer for Ireland, and some others; but the office of Vice-Treasurer for Ireland was no new office ' • it existed before, und er anot h er d enom i nat i on . Then, win s': 'respect to the Master of the Mint, he was at the head of an, important commission, with a salary attached to it. But when- Mr. Wallace was made Master of the Mint, his salary us Come' missioner had been diminished, although it was a most popular' commission, and one whose acts had been always highly praised. He claimed, therefore, fair credit for the assertion, that when the present Government wished to retain an office, it was because they honestly thought such an office ought to exist and not with a view to increase their influence in Parliament.' IVhat did it signify to them to gain a few single votes ? They did not want such single votes. Government must be supported by the confidence and trust reposed in it by the great body o f' the House and the country, and was not reduced to the neces sity of canvassing for a few single votes. If' matters came raY . , that pass that Ministers mustdepend for their support on ten or twenty votes, it would be time for them to think of resigning their offices. The present Government had even been very lax on this point, and had not insisted upon many Officers being' in Parliament who really ought to be there ; and he intended to! bring that Matter under consideration. lie remembered' when Mr. Pitt, who was kimself equal in debate to any ten or twelve men of the present day, was supported by the- Master of the Rolls (Sir William Grant), and the Master of the Rolls sat in Parliamelft until Sir Thomas Plomer Was ap pointed to theoffice. It was clear, then, that the present Go. vernment had shewn no disposition to create offices, in order to' catch single votes in Parliament. There was another instance, in the case of one who held an office-which bore some relation, with respect to the civil law, to the office of Attorney-General, who had formerly usually sat in Parliament, and had no seat there at present. In 1804, he remembered, when a very warm and long debate arose on a certain occasion, the whole brunt ofit fell on the Master of the Rolls and the King's Advocatee In what period wits there such a number of the profession of the law among his Majesty's Opposition as existed there at the present moment ? What an advantage then would it have been to the Ministers, to have had the Master of the Bolls and the King's advocate in the House on such occasions, for instance; ns the occurrence of these Chancery Debates, and others of * similar nature, which lawyers a lon e cou ld best understand ?. Then Ministers had against them two eminent civilians (allud ing, as we understood, to Sir J. al ackintoeh and Dr. Lashing= ton), and what an advantage would it have neen to the Mini*« tees, even in that view, to have the assistance of the Master of the Rolls, the King's Advoeate, and the Judge Advocate, another officer who had Generally a seat in that House 1 Never, till the time of the present Governmente had these three officers been dispensed with in Parliament. From these inscances it must be clearly seen that the Govern: meat had shewn no disposition to increase 'theft influence in Parliament by means of the votes of a few men in office, since Ministers had not taken advantage of opportunities of bringing veldt officers into Parliament. They had neglected these opportunities, although they might have brought the* officers into Parliament, without Mtn-ding the slightest good ground of objection to the Gentlemen opposite. rids was a proof, 'that in wishing to divide these two offices, Ministers were not actuated by any motive of Pitrliamentary influence ; and they only wished to retain the offices, with the power of sitting in Parliament, because it was their sincere conviction, that the course they were pursuing was beneficial to the country. It wale hardly possible really to think, that their object was tt, increase their Influence in Parliament, when it was known that they had neglected so many opportunities of bringing men high in office into that House. Then, with respect to the ditninutioft I.)f the salary, and the exclusion of the Treasurer of the Navy from Parliament, he objected to . this latter proposition more than to any other that had been suggested. He onjected to the. principle of excluding from Parliament Officers in. high sitiea lions under the Crown. It was of the greatest importance.to the country, that the Crown should look to the Houses of Par liament for persons to till high and responsible public situations. He knew no law that prevented the Crown from making 44 one who was not in Parliament its Prime Minister. But he had never heard it said, that it would be a good thing for the country that the Crown should choose for Ministers persons not in Parliament. What would be the efl'ect of the Crown not lotz . ing to Parliament for its officers? Was this net a most useful check to the dowsing of Ministers upon a system of mere fit . - youritism ? Was it not beneficial to the country that the Mi. Msters of the Crown should be men well known in that House —men who had been long In the public eye, and had proved in Parliament their fitness for office ? %Vas not this a rat security to the public for the efficiency of the officers of Govern ment, that they should, appeat in Parliament and' move thiele capacity for their situations ? There were certain offices whose possessors stould not be excluded from -Parliament, without lowering the standard of thrGovernment, and such. lip office was the Treastnerehip of the Navy. For the sake of ,a vote, it winds' not be ,worth while to the Govetoment to take the tumble of debating this question. Ile gave his opinion with perfect disinterestedness, because it did not signify a hair to the Government, with a view to a vote, whether the Teed_ curer of the Navy should be in Parliament or not. But tbe consequence of excluding such officers from Parliament, would be to make the high offices of State subjects for scramble among mere favourites. The Gentleman opposite might, themselves, soon succeed to these offices, and he was, therefore, doing theta a great favour in resisting their proposition.—(A laugh.)—lf it were acted upon, then they would have for the great offices of State person, of no higher qualifications for them than those of bankers' clerks. The perliumentary character ought never to he sepereted, from high and honourable office, and - never could be so separated, without great injury to the pubic, and' the loss of that highs respectability which the Government of' this country generally maintained. So muck, then, for the notion of excluding the Treasurer Of the Navy from Parliament, and now one word with respect to the salary. That salary was before 4,0001. per annum ; and at the present time it wet 3,000/. It was now proposed to reduce it to 2,0001, He knew no principle upon which any one of these scums ithonid be preferred to the others e but where he could not find a resstnit, he must look for a ride, and a rule might often sew 'for a re ""i• lie found, in the Report of the Finance CoroalVe4 a statement, that when this office was held :Jane, it AIL", put on the towing of :net of Paymaetet of the Tv'erh ki t ; then, was a I ; anti es t! case mentioned hYTALi st Tdrina c , Was now likely to arise, ti.at rule might be ania'l7 o6/. „ea r , The salary of the Payno,sti,r of •the wf r, ., 04 Naii. house. It „l i f t 2 7 ,0 zy f l ie s e tto t t i!e h, t i : 2 l E 4it i et ,„ c o n f ritsei h uo o sivsee, I l e hail at " t e' t Vie r e w u n s, h ' h ,,Te i t 't; le; e 'moved - front Why the Treasurer of tic Navy , e ",,,F,d et ttery to b atgn die'third his seat in Parliament. It ';;I:y of the offices of Pfesident. of the ftoTt!hikt'ocl'"nc''lrtret elf Lls .Navy, isa the'