The Sun. — London, England, 1810-12-20 00:00:00

Are there any persons before whom the, 'King is v i n t t,2r ;1:ore restraint than others, of his me4tical te o nd.o or 'attendants upon his person ?- 7 I think r pt. in your k - nowledg , 7, in the coarse of your pta6lice, has increased . age, in your had any influence upontlie'recovory ,ot the patient, or otherwise ? Not where the case was exactly similar to his Mn jesty's. I understood you to sly, you had never met with a - case exactly similar to his Alajesty4 ?—T4ing age,-and other circurnsances of his M;ljesty, into conside , at ion . the general run of cases,. IA hick have come un der your'obser+at ion, , do you conceive the age of the patient to have had any influence upon his com plaint ?---It may be difficult to answer that question, without stating the particular species of hi:. Majesty's complaint : his. Majesty's complaint does . not ap pear, to me, to be connected with age ; it is a com plaint, produced by an accidental circumstance, which would. have produced that complaint, at any time, in his Majesty, during the last twenty-two years, There is no mark of age in the symptoms; there are none of those symptoms; .it Inch usually at tend complaints of that des?Vipt toil, arising tram age : and it appears to me, therefore, that tkis Majesty is as likely to recover, not + ithstanding his age, from this complaint, as he k+•ould front any oth er acciden tal complaint lie,might labour under. Have you known several instances of persons, who have lat:oured under deiangetnent of tuinsi,nt particular and ditferent periods-Of their lives, %ill, intervals bet %% cell the dates, of derangement ?---Se-- veral. words applied'to an individual, that lie lt'as compe tent to the transadion of all his business, public and priv;:te, and to the complete management of his affairs I—Most assuredly. - Since you ceased to attend the King in June, .1801, *hen Avere yon since called to 'his Majesty I—On the 6th of last month. Did you attend the King in the year 1804 ?—No. Since you have been called -in to the King, do yOu recollect harkg objected to any proposal made fOr an interview between the King and the Lord Chancellor Had you known that it was intended to propose to the King, to see the Chancellor, should you hate objected to his being told of it should certainly have objected. Do you think that any beneficial effect was pro duced to his Majesty's menial health, by the inter-, view bet wren the. King and the Chancellor ?—No. Has any prejudicial etfeet resulted from it ?—I am not aware that any prejudicial effeel arose. Oo the night of the Chancellor seeing the King, did you see any effitet, good or bad, produced, that you attributed to - the visit of the Chancellor I—Not that I could attribute to the visit of the Chancellor. What was the reason assigned by the Pitt sicians for wishing the King to see the Chancellor . 1— Some of the Physicians had form7d an idea that the Chancellor would have some influence on the King's mind. • In point of faa, was the King worse that night than he had been the preceding night I—The King had a remarkably good night. When did you last see tits Majesty I—This morn ing about eight o'clock, What , 4 as his state at- the tin.- ?—Nearly in the same state tha: the King ha, ,bt en for the two or -three last days. • .Had he passed a good night I—A o l,.rably good. night; nut tont! 1., the preek-dit;. . - Do you csteem it ..n ontavourbie circumstance, that sleep should ma be attended whh its natural etlet4 of refreshment and ciAnpostve, Ur a malady of the ()Mute of that with which , the ..E.iog is al— teCted only marks the stage of the complaint. It anifornily takes place, early, in complaints of description, that sleep. does not benefit the mind, it only recruits the constitution 4t large. • Does sleep now benefit the -King's mind more than it nid in the. e :Hier, stages .ot 'tios disorder Most undoubtedly. Does it benefit his mind as much as if did in the corresponding-stages of his disorder. heretofore ? I am scarcely able to discover, the-exact !iatrallel si tuation. Do you conceive the circumstance of the defeli of his Majeq)'s sight., 10 have any influetriesof any kind upon the present state of his disordcr ?—I t!tink -hitherto it• has been an advantage, that his Mojesty is without his .sight, because-we have been :.bie to condiia bin with less irritation. Do you think tliat it wi;l continue to be an acl v will tend to promo:e his ultimate•re cdvery ?—When his Majesty begin, mote decidedly to recover, I think it will be a disadvantage, by pre c,nding certain sources of amusement. • eau you form any thing saitsfaalory conjec ot the, duration of his, Majesty's illness ?—No, I c tonot.. Do you think his. M tjesty's recovery as near now, AS you- ciought -it the..day you were examined be t;q-; Prig Council ?—I do ; I do not observe that. hi, Mjesty's faculties seem in any respell itn riired, 6y the. continuance of his disease; so far Mjesty's perception is clear and keen ; . his me mory, whic.r - I, the first faculty usually observed to ire .ioll:enced and to be injured by this disease, and whi.:ll is the first to feel the effect of. age, is sound and strong ; judgment is. in eclipse. . Have you not seen patients who have never been cured, whose memory has been retentive to the. greatest 'possible degree, and even. more retentive or in,re vivid than during tilt. periods of mental. health ? — 7 -I.do nor know that 1 can recoiled an instance of that kind at this tnoment ; I speak of it as usually the case. Have you, considered such persons as more or less like:3r to recn,er, in consequence of adsanced age —The opinion must depend upon the symptoms of the case at the time. 110 you then-consider . increased years as circum stance not aring, in itself, or carrying, ill iiself, any influence upon a complaint of ibis nature ? Generally speaking, age would have a considerable influence ; but no sylispioms, which in general arise from age in other persons, have mad:- ibeir appear once 'in his Maje.ty : I therefore conclUde thiat age will have no effect here. Do you conclude, that age, in an unbroken con stitution, has no influence upon. the probability of recovery, or others • ise, trout this disorder i--Yro sided ided I saw no , sympton:s ot the effect of age in the individual, I should say not. Can you at all contempla.e, in your Own mind, any period in wi:ieti Jou' te,inkhis Majesty's reco- Very likcly ?—No. • Yoq. attended the King in the y'iar l'Bol, for the first time ?—Yes. Sußosing, the King to be in the same state in which he was between the with of Oztoberand the 271.11 at night, would you feel yourself justified in declaring that he was competent to the transaction of public business ?—I believe, so. You would deetn.that a perfect menial recovery ? —I think there is a, diffe:ence, between the com mencement and the termination of an illness ; you 'wouid.require something more in the one, than in the other. I wish to euresi, vs hat I have done in a former, part of my evidence, that I conceived the King competent to the . tranaZ.-tion of public busi ness, till the 27111 at night. If the King were, now, in the same state after his illness, in which he 'was for some days. !net ions' to the 27th of October, would you ptate ihat he ought to dtschaige his public functions ?—I shOuld conceiv_e the King was competent to transact publiC busint:ss. Oiev•:ry kind, without any excepting ?—,Yes, I think so. Did you sign the bulletins that were issued in that illness ; 7 —No. Dij you see the bulletins that were'issued in that illness i—lris, I did. What do you mean, when , you speak of his l‘la jest y:'.s manner b,ing hurried I—His conversation is in-re rapid, and is thoughts occur more quickly in shcctssion one upon anotoer,,than in a state of per fd4 hearth ;• his conversant:on is connected, but too Nut wandering from one sullied to another Hate you now, or had you lately, under yourcare, any patients of the age of the King i•-•--Nut - affected • exactly as his Majesty is. - Have you had any patients mentally deranged of or about ,that age think riot. Have you had patients, mentally deranged, of about the same age, Wider your cam I—l h .ve h a d A perSolls under states of ins an ity o f the Kiiig',a. ag e , not. Perhaps•under mental derangemetit similar to the King's. What is thedistintstioe between mutat derange ment and insanity I—The Commit tee must be aware of the extreme difficulty of giving a definition un premeditated: I will describe - the character of the different states : I consider the King's derangement more nearly allied to delirium than insanity ; when ever the irritation in his Majesty arises to a ceuain point, he Uniformly becomes delmrrous.lti dciiriutn the mind is actively employed upon p as t impretsitrs„ upon objects and former scenes, which rapidly pass in succession before the mind, tesembling insthat case, a person talking in his sleep.,; There is also consider-. able disturbance in the general constitution ; great. restlessness, great want of sleep, and total uncon -111 sciousness of surrounding objects. It insanity, there may be little or no disturbance, apparently, in , the general constitution;, the mind is occupied' upon some e hketi lissumed idea, to the truth of which, it pertinaciously - adhere, in opposition to theplainest eviAence of its ta!sity ; and the in dividual is acting', always,. upon that false impies-- - sion ; in insanity . , also, the mind is awake. to ob jeets which are present. Taking insanity, there fore, and delirium, as two poeits, e l would- place, derangement of "mind somewhere-between them.- His Majesty's illness, uniformly, pat takes more of the delirium than at the insanity. Do you mean to• say, that the King Is at any time unconscious of surrounding.objects.—Wh e n first saw his Majesty, on the 6th of November, he 'was perfectly uuconscious of surrounding objects. Was that his state. on Tuesday last I—No. Was there derangement on Tuesday I—There was derangement on Tuesday. Then, on Tuesday, did his Majesty's disorder bear the-characteristic. of insanity, and on the 6th of No vember of delirium ?--It has never borne the charac ter of insanity; it never gets beyond derangement, 'according to the scale r have just laid down. • Does this apply to . the illness of 1801, as well as the preseut.—StriCtly. What is the present state of the King's bodily health, in your. opinion ?—The King is far from being in a good .staLsr of health at this time., Are the symptoms of bodily indisposition suffi cient to act outit for all the derangement of mind - which is perceived in his Majesty 1-4eully stuff- - ci:ett to ee l omit tor, the present sytnptows of the' state of his mind. Is 'I here a greater absence asleep now than there was elm - thigh; ago ?—libr six days there was.more regular sleep than there has been fur sonic days East ; when I say a fortnight, I am perhaps not quite accurate to.ilie time. Du you attach arty and what importance to a pa tient„ having vreviously had repeated attacks of mental disorder ?,—Provided I see aio consequences arise fitim the repetitiou of the disordee, .1 should attach no importance to it. • In his Nik9e,ty's case hare you observed any con sequences of the kind you allude to ?—I have observ ed none. Did not the Chancellor know, before he was ac tually introduced to the King, that you concurred, upon the whole, in thinking it would be better he should see the King, titan that he should not ? Having started the objections which I did, to the Di i you concur in the propriety of those bulle tins, as expfessing the sepl Awe of the King's Health to the puolic ?—Yes, I did. Did you concur in the opinion, expressed to the public by •he Physicians, by the cessation of the bulletins, that the King was perfectly recovered To the best of my recollection, the King , A as, re covered, and fully capable-of doing business ; 'there were some little remains of hurry about his Majesty; nothing further, that I have any.recollection of. Do you mean to say, ilia' those marks- of hurry, about his Majesty, were apparent at the time the bulletins ceased; and the ,- Physietans thereby an noutic:d to the public, that his Majesty was•per teCtly recovered ?---The synep;ona of hurry, cer tainly, occasionally remaibed. Were the symptoms of hurry, sod - . as to create a necessity fur any resl - aint upon his . Majesty, sitter the bulletins ceased ?',--Not till a relapse tuuttpface. A 'elapse, then .did, in point - of faCi, take place, after the illness in the year 1801 ) ---A relapse took place, after the bulletins ceas.d. . 'D you think- the apprehen4ort on the mind of a palieui, of the recurrence of mental malady, atter Apt ate,' attacks, has any and what effect in pro tikicitig a renewal e,i should - t bink it , %k,c) . _4ld make tile pativitt more susceptible of the ot such. e,xternal cause's,as would produ;:e tht, cilicast,:, • - \Vas it ou the sante day apt the Lord and Mr. Percetd saw the King, wh;ch you hate siatt:d lb be, acquitting to your recollection,. the 2&Jli day of October ?—lt teas slot the same tidy ; I do hut the pecisely. - • , Yuct Wive ;ha! you_enter*ain very. high ex carillons of the King's recot try ; state the gounds 00 which ih:,se expectations -are founded ?—I find no injury done to the faculties.hy his dis ease hitherto; and I do uo observe any !dilute in his Majestfsconstilu:ion. NVisat interval way thee, between the cessation Of the bulletins and the relap,e ?—I late no means o f ascertaining, at this mom e nt , when the bulletins cca -ed. Withdrew. What longth,of time, do you conceive, took place, between ;lie cessation of 'the butletins - and th re lapse ?—I have a perfect recolleCtion of the relapse, but I have no recollection when the bulletins ceased. Dr. ROEERT DARLING WILLIS called iii, and examined. .H:S an y atne,ndment already taken place in :he course of his Miehty's disorder ; and dues the aps pearance of such \ amendment continue at present ? —A coniiderable.ainendrnent has taken place final ths.contii,encernent of his Majesty's disorder; %%hid) still conti..nes. Between the cessation of the bulletins, and the relapse, did his •. Majesiy transact publ , c, business with his servants ? His Majesty's servants had ac cess to him. What ditlerk nce is there, if any,• between the state of hiS Majesty at present, and that in which he Was,,ks hen you wk re examined before the Privy Council ?—ft is extremely difficult to measure de grees of a coinplaint of this sort ; the character of it has, in some measure, changed ; but I,think his Ma jesty, upon the whole, full as well now, as when I was,exatnined betore'the Privy Council. . Did you ea e r attend his Majesty .before, in corn `,"iaints of this kind ?—ln the year 1.801. Is the character of the present complaint tle same as that in the - year 1 801 ?—ln the commencement it was exactly similar. Ilotiv, . in its progress_?—ln its,progress also. Do yoncoiiceive th.a his Majesty's increased age, .since that period, is at alt likely .to influence, one way or the other, his ultimate recovery ?—Judging from the symptoms of the case, s I have nu reason to think the age will have any infidedce. Do you think the defects of his Majesty's sight will, have any influence, one way or other, .on his ultimate recovery anti: it may be the means of retarding, ,his secuvery, but not of,preventing his ul timate recovery. . • Had they access after the usual manner, without the presence or permission of any medical attend ant, or any person deptited by any medical attend ant ?—Certainly. Nobody , was ever present at the time the inter views-took place between his Majesty and'his, ber - . • vants ?-'--Not to my knowledge. When, and where, did the relapse decidedly shew itself?—At the Queen's house, on thc 14th or 1.5t11 of AI arcii. By whom was it Est perceived ?•--I really cannot call that to my recollection. H.•d you been in the habit of visiting the King, occasionally, from the time of the CessatiOn . of the bulletins, to the period of the relipSe'necipc, , cfly tak ing place I—l had not ceased to see the King daily., Whe - ii did you, yourself, perceive tbe,Symptoms of a decided relapse in the King 1-1 presume, ti ther on that evening or the next morning. How long did that relapse continue ?—But a very shoit time with any violence. How long was it, before his TALijeity was, restored to the slate in which the Physician, had reported him to be perfectly recovered ?--It is impossible for me to charty my memory with the number of days, at this disiat:ce of time; to the best of my tecollec lion a few days only. Do you think that ,his Majesty's increased s i p dill have any influetice,upon thr dorai ion of the dis order ?-1.0 no, consider that, in this instance, toe age will have any influence uucn► the. disorder. When did you.diicontinue your attendance upon the King, altogether, in the year 1801 the 3d 01 June. Have ) . ou ever net with a case , in your practice, whicii you consider as parallel to,that of his Mejes ty,?—lf age is necessary to thake .op the parallci,i perliaps not. Had the King's hurry, which you have described, entirely ceased before you ceased'attending upon the King ?—i think not entirely: klave you ever known a person; as old as his Majesty, and with the sa►ue delea of sight, recover from a derangement of mind ?—I have never seen a person, at his Majesty's, age, labouring under a si milar complaint to his Majesty's, taking ,all the eh - - cunistanees of the comp' tint to,, , ,ether. ' the genewl run of Lases which have come with- Do you conceive ihose hurries were vestiges •f, and dependent upon, the mental compLnut of the King ?—Ceitainly. When you speak of the King's recovery, for the purpose of transacting public bu4iness, do you un derstand it in the same way as you would the sane LON , DON Printed by It I CHARD HARK, S, or No. 4, Martlett-eourt. Bow-street; and Pkblished by %Vll.l4Aht Alt pti GER, SC Raps, South Moitoo.stteet, G rOrrenOr teibtitt• at the Stici 3 OrtFicr, No. 1 it, Strand, where ddvertisenteng, Orders for the Paper, Litter: for the idiOr fir. (past-paia),,must addreisecl. - . Chancellor's admission, I proposed going over tcitbe King, to see itr what state of expectation his Ma; jest), was ; k►►owing that he had been appiistd the Chancellor's vi,it to 'Windsor. I found hitt) then in such a state of expectation, that it was doubt whether as much irritation would not ati4 froin keeping the Chancellor away, as from admit ling and [ tbe►efore assented, a$ choice 'evils, that the Chancellor sh , tuldso in. Having stated that his Majesty's complaint i , . more nearly allied to del►rium than insantiy, sJ I you have the goodntas to mate whether, in yotg opinion, it is . on that account more easily cured ?-" On that account I think it much more easily 'Cured , Da you think it has on the mind of his Mjegty 1 —I have no reason to think that it kis. Are rellpses more to be apprehended on the re' enr►ence of the malady than after the retiod of tt►e first attack ?—I do. not know that it is, necessarilp to be looked (Or; it hay certainly taken place in thi 4 intgance. If a patient had been under your care more floor ‘ once, woukl you not exp ec t t h e return of 11int pa' tient more than after the firs,att.ick Dr. MATTHEW BAILLIE, agail called in. The following extraa from the former evidence of Dr. Baillie wa4 read : " When were you first called in, to see the 'King r'-" I believe it was the 25th of Udober." Dr. Baillie.—l wish to state, that I find it %-"ai the 26th of °Sober. I spoke to his M, j. sty oft the 25th; but not formally, although, it was aooot his health. On the 25th, When you attended the King, not in the capacity in which you subcquently atiended him, did you observe.any thing raiiicalur in his M.). - twinner ?-1 - le was huriied In his minlier.. h is the obseriation that I have mode is u; • memorandum ;" that his .rlse was at • go, and H; .conversation was bur rii.d, and a tkattFoly that - is, passing from one thing a li tt l e y ; iv another : that was at three o'clock. - On-the 26th, the Committee is to understand, the King's malady was estabr o hed ?—I saw hall forniaily as a Physician, .on the , 26,11: hiSonversa tion Then was certainly very mu.:b . hturried but I see in my memorandum, that it was not irr-itionah , s atthongii ,hurtied,', and not very well mlct-led. not. have trusted to my meinory" for that, but I find that in My mernorandum-book on that day. Did yon think on the 26th, from what yoa ob- 1 . served in his Majesty, that he was capable of con' eluting business.—l really cannot give a very ac' curate answer to Via: question ; I should rat her think that he Was not capable; but I would not take upon me to say that Um!. a perfectly accurate answer. The following extras from the former -evidence of Dr. Millie,. was read :—"_ Have any of the Itoy3 l Family Seca the . King since his indisposition ?"-. 1 " No;, as far as I know : I believe at the time he was beginning to be hurried at first, his family sa , S pile ; hut since the disease establislietf its-character, I believe none of the 'Royal have seen hint; I believe nobody since tl 25th of October." Dr, widl to" state, by way of coffer' flop, that the Queen and three of the Princesses sof the King on the 27th of October. The cluzen, heal if, (that is, .without the Princesses), saw t,ll° King for a little time on thq 28th October and I understand likewise upon the egtb, for a eat Since you have been in attendance, .in whole custody has the King - been ; and in whose custOdi; do you apprehend his Majesty to he now .?-4stioull 4 consider that the King was principally in the c4' 'tody (if I may use the phrase) of Dr. Robert lis If lam asked whether be is exclusively in the custody of Dr. Robert Willis, I should say D u; that he takes in a great measure the managemelli of the persons that. are more immediately about hi s Majesty's person . ; but sometimes directions have been given by the other Physicians. When were you first in the habit Of seeing the Xing ?-1 first saw the Princess Amelia on the 2 6114 of December last; and every time that I saw t he Princess Amelia, as far.ds I reccillect, I was Wit h the King afterwards, so as to h ave a goo d d ea l on 'conversation with his Majesty. From the period at which you began to be ho" floured with conversations with the King on that subje6t, did you' at any time before you were coo suited by his Majesty on the 25th of Odober, per ceive any of that hurry and particularity Of manner which you have described yourself to Lave noted dovvn on the 25th of October ?—lt occurred, I be lie , e, two or tjiree times, but n o t i n any very stro ng degree ; enough for me to remark it ; but I under stand it was more remarked by those who knel l him better, than it was by me, not being so per featly well acquainted with his natural manner Y ; those who had been in the habit of living with bii ii a great deal. The following extra& from the, former evidence a Dr. Baillie was read ;—" Has any person, other tha t]. the Royal Family, or fps pages or,attendants, seen the King, since you . have been in attendance his Majesty 1' " Yes, the Lord Chancellor saw il l ' Majesty the day before, yesterday.'' ":'Doctor Baillte.—l wish to add, that the Lar d Chancellor saw his Majesty also on the Ist of S ° , # vember, and that Mr. Poteval saw him 'on the-')"'' of October. Do you molleet- whether Mr. Porreval sew 114 King on any other day 1 7 --1 'cannot call tile circull• stance clistinaly to my recontction.. When did you last see the, King ?-1: saw I S King this morning. What was the state of his Mfl3esty's health V He was, upon the whole, a Hale better, I thot4 l i t ' i this morning his pulse was ICiS freTleaL than has been for the last two or three days. From any thing you have seen since you we last before this . Committee, can you form any CO jedure as to the period of the recovery of or,, King, ?—I can form no conjecture w h ate ver r c e consequence of the di s t a n ce o f time between t-e two exaioinatit.ns. I thi n k f u ll y as Eivoursiq,c, the King to-day, as I Aid when I was examined fore. Can you form any distinct opinion of the pert of the King's recovery now I cannot: tT 1 . 311 H Abou rl'residei 144)rdshi l ' j as ort thin, Doint and oi Ivith s ,e o - k tenlio most to pro of, an Wale minis %vouic b e t by A vanet fundc Wit hs taine, Add: fere') at?ser I Spect CUuli Was to hi the ceed dress fir try NAic SIO lit Cif ed , T, ) re