The Sun. — London, England, 1838-05-10 00:00:00

CHURCH-RATES. MEETING AT THE CITY OF LONDON TAVERN. (Mr. O'CoNNELL in Continuation from our First Edition of Tuesday.) The second count of his (Mr. O'Connell's) charge was that Dr. Chalmers was blasphemous, and for this reason—that he wanted to do injustice.— (Hear, hear.) Was it not a plain and palpable injustice to make him (Mr. O'Connell) :pay for Dr. Chalmers' religion ?—(Cheers.) He ar raigned Dr. Chalmers of injustice. Dr. Chalmers thought his (Mr. O'Connell's) opinions erroneous--he treated them with contempt. He (Mr. O'Connell) forgave him.—(Cheers.) But if he were in power and made Dr. Chalmers pay for the maintenance of opinions which he would describe as damnable—if he were to say, " Dr. Chalmers put your hands in your pockets, and pay two Popish priests for me"— (Great cheering)—would not Dr. Chalmers roar out " Persecution, martyrdom, injustice, blasphemy;"—(Continued cheers.) Oh, that he would—and he would be quite right; but he (Mr. O'Connell) would say to Dr. Chalmers, in Mr. Cobbett's phrase, " What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander."—(Laughter and cheers.) The Church had an income of four millions. Doctor Chalmers, the high Presbyterian, came forward to say the people ought to pay in addition to those four millions.—(Hear.) Nay, more. Ministers who were not so firm as he wished them to be--(Cheers)—came out with this plan ; they said it was true that Church-rates ought to be paid, and that it was unjust to Dissenters to pay them; but that if the Church became good stewards of their own property they had abundance to pay all Church-rates without going to Dissenters. Besides, Dr. Chalmers came all the way from Edinburgh to persuade the people of London that this was the grossest robbery. They all remembered he who took the lamb of another man's fold—(Hear, hear)—and those who came out plundering—whether from the south or the north—(Laughter)— would remember there was one of the Divine commandments written upon the heart of man, before it was engravers upon stone, that com manded each human being to respect the property of another; and therefore he (Mr. O'Connell) cared little whether they stole under the shape of a warrant or under the penalty of transportation—whether it was done by a mighty doctor and a great man made no difference in the crime; it was stealing still, and was prohibited by the law of God.— (Cheers) Dr. Chalmers insisted that the State should with money maintain the Establishment. But what was to be the Establishment ? He did not say it should be that which he thought right—(Hear, hear) —because his own opinicn was that Episcopacy was not a Divine insti. tution at all—(Hear, hear)—and he was descended of the men who drew their broad swords when the English were going to force bishops upon them—who actually cut the throats of bishops —(Hear)—and yet here came Doctor Chalmers, with the blood of the Cameronian martyrs upon him, to inform and instruct the gullible Tories who had a natural propensity for putting their hands in the people's pockets.—(Cheers and laughter.) If there was any justification for paying for an Establishment, it was because it was the true religion ; but Dr. Chalmer's said, this was not the true religion, but the people must nevertheless pay for it.—(Cheers.) He said " Propagate error; it is only a matter of religion ; what is such a trifle ; right or wrong, pay your money ;" and then having insisted upon this for England he turned to Scotland, and boasted <I the independence of the Scotch Church—(Hear)—and then alluded to Ireland, and made it appear that the Establishment was a majority of the nation. If, in respect to Ire. land Dr. Chalmers should say, let the State support the religion of the majority, he (Mr. O'Connell) would give him such an—" Oh '." that they should hear him from Dublin to this room.—(Loud cheers and laughter.) Such a proposal was made by Mr. Pitt, but the people said No; and up to this day they had con tinued to say no—(Cheers)—and his opinion was that they could not give his religion a more deadly blow than by wedding it to the State, and looking up to the Government for patronage.—(Loud cheers.) In England, Dr. Chalmers was wrong upcn his own confession—in Scotland by the voice of the universal people—aed in Ireland they would tell hire he was wrong if he presumed to teach his false doctrine there. Wishing the Dc,ctor joy there on his way back to Edinburgh, he (Mr. O'Connell) would ask, why did the Dotter dare to say that religious feel. ing had been relaxed—that it was necessary for the support of the hier archy to have a State provision made for it. He (Mr. O'Connell) totally denied this. If the Doctor appealed to English history, he would meet him there and tell him that the first rate which was laid was in the reign of Henry the Sixth, for the repair of the nave of the Church of Nor. with. Were the people of England without Churches at that time ? There were not quite 11,000 Churches of the Establishment, and there were 33 of that number of Dissenting Meeting-houses, including Catholic chapels.—(Hear, hear.) So that within thirty.tive of one-half of the places of worship were maintained on the voluntary principle; and this was, as they would say in Ireland, the biggest half.—(Laughter)— for it was the better half.—(Hear.) He did not mean to give effence to any one, but must say that he had seen more attention paid to religion among the Dissenters, than among tee Members of the Establishment. —(Hear, beer.) But if there wore only as much among the poorer as among the. richer Churches, there was an end of the question. The richer class might do as they would, and Dr. Chalmers was not only mistaken, but guilty of a falsity of the worst description.—(Cheers.) Before the time he had mentioned, there were 55,000 Churches in England, and about 35,000 Chapels of E 550. At that time there was no tax for building Churches at all. He would say to the people of England, Get justice for yourselves, as we did." What was the state of Ire land ? There were 6,500,000 Roman Catholics. Had that Church any endowments? Did the State pay Id. to it. There were four Archbishops, `25 Bishops besdes, upwards of 80 Deacons and- Archdeacons, more than 400 Parish Priests and Curates—a regular hierarchy. What country maintained them ? The poorest country in Europe. What population maintained them? The poorest population in Europe. If there should be sufficient prejudice in any man's mind to say tin was error, he (Mr. O'Connell) should say he was not here as a po. lemie—(theers)—lie was here to state a fact, and was it not a pow. erful argument to those who might urge that his religion was error, _y If error had done so much what ought not truth to do ? eers.)—Mr. O'Connell then alluded to what has recently taken in Stoke Newington. Within the last ten days since Dr. Chal mers had blown his trumpet, the parsons had taken courage. "Oh I ' id they) here is a man that will bother them all—we have got the Cez ' ty wizard of the Nor.h—(Laughter)—here is a white witch the Hcbrides—(Roars of Laughter and cheers)—end while he is getting a number of people to turn up their eyes towards Heaven, cur hands can more easily get into their pockets."—(Continued laughter and cheers.) Was it the word of God that these worthies ap.. pealed to ? Oh, no—it was the parish beadle, the constable, or a aarghter Divine still—the neighbouring magistrate—;Laughter)—and pimeng the Royal arms at the head of one of their plundering warrants, in the name of the Queen, who, dear little lady —(Loud cheers and laughter)—had noshing at all to do with it—with this formidable lion and unicorn they went round, and in Stoke Newington alone, within the lest ten days, not less than 53 distresses had been issued.—(Loud cheers) " Dr. Chalmers," exclaimed the Hon. Member, " there is the effect of your preaching —every man who is &strained °nought to put Dr. Chaliners's name over his door—(Cheers and laughter)—there can be no religion (says he) unless the lien and unicorn, and the constable are going to your houses. Here are his preachers, the supporters of his re ligion, the lion and unicorn (holding up a warrant to the meeting amidst roars of laughter), and thus I repeat I have made good my charge against him.—(Great cheering.) I have arraigned the culprit—lie has refustd to give the usual answer, and he will not be tried either by God or by his country.—(Long continued cheering.) He will be tried by his prejudices, and justified in the eyes of the overwhelming party, who give the honest confession that they are confident of the insecurity of the Establishment they are so anxious to protect.—(Cheers.) Dces it not bespeak a'kind of foregone conclusion in their minds that they have not the power and Crsnath of trots with their, and that is a conscious weakness that makes them bring in the arms of Mammon to support the religion of God.—(Loud cheers.) The Hon. Member then moved—l " That the recent decision of an Ecclesiastical Court in the Braintrees, case. together with the intolerant spirit which has been manifested to.l wards the Dissenters, are signs of the times that show the approach of al crisis which must rivet or break the chains of ecclesiastical tyranny, and' indicate to all the friends of genuineliberty, and above all to the Proa! testant Dissenters of England, the necessity of merging all party con siderations in this great absorbing question ; a question which in. volves the freedom and independence of all the Churches in the land. This meeting therefore call upon the entire liberal public to co-operate with them, in their parochial capacity, in all cases to resist by every con atitutional and legal mewls, the making of a rate, and in their capacity ofd lectors to observe the votes of their representatives."—Mr. O'Connellni then alluded to the manner in which Church-rates had been extinguished' in Ireland. The people of Ireland determined not to pay them—(Cheers) —and that was all he wanted the people of England to do.—(Continued cheers.) He trusted that the meeting would not to be led away by any false statements or speeches which had been attributed to him, as in the case of the Standard newspaper, which, after appealing to God for its butt), gave a set of evidence, question and answer, as given by him; and when this was repeated in the House of Lords by the Earl of Win.. chilsea, who had quoted the Standard, they could not account for who had invented the report.—(Loud laughter.) The Hon. Member con. eluded by saying —Englishmen never yet degraded themselves, by sub. witting long to the yoke of injustice. The enlightened members of the Establishment are with you—the Dissenters are with you—the Roman Catholics are with you—the people that you ought to respect and desire to have your friends, are with you. Be true to yourselves— " Hereditary bondsmen, know ye not, Who would be free, themselves must strike the blow." The Hon. Gentleman then resumed his seat, amidst loud and enthu. siastic applause. The CHAIRMAN at this period left the room, accompanied by Mr. O'Connell, and several other persons : and Mr. PEAKS was then called to the Chair. Mr. CHILDS, of Bungay, next addressed the meeting, in support of the resolution. In large places it was easy to carry out the prin. ciple which the majority supported, but in small places the people were in fear of the aristocracy; and their only plan was to be passive, and let the Churchwardens take their own way. The summons was addressed to him, and to his son and himself, for rates varying from 2s. lid. to 7s. 2}t'..—(Shame.) Li Bungay the goods that were seized had not yet been sold, and the constable could not learn from the churchwardens orMagistrates what to do with them. They would go on resisting the rate in the same way, and if the same spirit were exhibited throughout the country, they would succeed.—(Hear, hear.) With respect to Doctor Chalmers, his early conduct had shown, and his present conduct confirmed, that he did not -know what spirit was in him.—(Hear.) He first began lecturing on political economy ; then on moral philosophy ; but when he got into a place where there was a Church supported by compulsory Church-rates, he became the champion of that system. The Rev. Doctor was an advocate for abolishing the monopoly of printing the Bill, but he proposed to give the profits to the Church, so that in giving a testament to a child, you would be giving 4d. as a Church. rate—(Hear, hear)—and if he succeeded in Scotland the same thing would be done in England, and Church -rates continued in that form.—(Hear, hear.) The Rev. JOHN BURNET, amidst vehement cheering, moved the next resolution, which was— "4. That the thanks of this Meeting are due, and are hereby given to the Committee, for their arduous and successful labours since their appointment, and that they be requested to continue their services with power to add to their number." He asked, why was it that in this age it was necessary to ask the Com. mittee to continue their labours ? Because this question was not yet " settled. But look to the way in which the Churchmen of England viewed the present state of the question, might be known from the fact that they had called into their service one, of great talents certainly, but whom they regarded as the emissary of an unordained and unlicensed Church.—(Hear, hear.) When they saw the t wo Chu rc h Establish- merits, which call each other Sectarian, Presbyterianism and Black Pre. lacy united in such a manner, the voluntaries might be sure their object was not very far from being attained. If such were not the case, the Pishops would not be seen sitting under a man who gloried in the independence of that Crown, under which they were placed.—. (Hear.) The Doctor had proved the voluntary system to be the best, and ail his auditors, royal and episcopal were all voluntaries.—(fiear, and lau3hter.) Mr. B. then went through a review of Dr. Chalmer's distinction between external and internal voluntaryism. The Doctor's statement that state support was only a delusion.—(Hear, hear.) But, when the voluntaries applied to their neighbours for assistance, they solicited only what they chose to give in charity, and that was only fair. But when Dr. Chalmers would go to Government for 10,0002. it was not for their voluntaryism he asked but for their force.—(Applause.) Dr (2. had admitted that a church establishment meant themaintenance of a church by law.—(hear, hear.) The question with the Dr. was a question of money, not of religion—(flear)—the Doctor had said that the voluntaries wanted to take the churches from the establishment.— (Laughter.) it was no such thing, all he wanted was to let churcim, , — - let them support them, and repair .(Hear, hear, hear.) As to what ie machine breakers of Kent and the Ingham, they knew what he meant to dissenters (like those lawless persons) that is the Establishment, that they rn work.—( A laugh.) But the truth It that resembled a stocking weavEr, but in his own loom, though he found it working very awkwardly, and would have no stockings worn but his own, though nobody would buy them—or he wanted to make people pay for his stockings whether they wore them or not.—(Laughter. But as for those names of " machine-breakers," &c., which the Learned Doctor applied, with so much dignity and Christian charity to the advocates of the voluntary system, he (Mr. B.) would not retort them— (Hear, hear)—but he might, if he chose, break them into small change, and return them to the:Doctor, saying that they properly belonged to him —(Hear, hear, and a laugh.) As to her Majesty's Ministers, he almost believed that some persons thought they were really asleep, and feared that the attempt of Dr. Chalmers to mend his awkward stocking.loom would disturb their rest. But for his part he (Mr. B.) thought that the friends of the voluntary system ought to speak their mind, and if the Ministry did not do the good worthily, why struggle to keep them in office ?—(Hear, hear.) He did not agree with those who thought that others might not be got to do it ; and who thought that if they retired from office the Duke of Wellington and Sir Robert Peel would take office, and would hold it. When Sir Robert Peel, who was the greatest statesman in the world—( A laugh)—and the Duke of Welling ton, who was as undoubtedly the greatest general, came last into office, and had gathered all their forces—what did they do? Why, like " The King of France, with twenty thousand men, Went up the hill, and then—came down again." —(Loud and long continued laughter.) That was the only march in the whole of the Duke's military career in which he thorougly failed—(Hear and a laugh)—and if they (the present Mi nisters) succeeded in beating him on that occasion why not try it again ? —(Hear, hear.) He called on the meeting to watch the proceedings of the Committee of the House of Commons, who might be as sleepy as other Committees had been, or even as the Ministers.—(A laugh.) He vindicated the advocates of the voluntary system from the imputations sought to he thrown upon them, for their uniting with the Papists for justice; and contended that those were not acting in the spirit of Christianity who would deny justice to Papists, because their religious opinions were erroneous.—(Hear, hear.) He would unite with all in the cause of justice, whatever might be their errors or faults—for he would always stand forward for justice for every human being from the head that wore the Crown to the lowest executioners of the law. — (Hear.) If the whole force of the Government were opposed to the abo lition of the Church-rate, the march of intellect, the growing power of the public will, and the determination of the people, would abolish it.— (Applause.) The Government which, in considering this question, would wait to see whether there was a surplus of Church property or not, and would look upon the question as anything but a religious one, was unworthy of governing the destinies of the nation, The Rev. Gen tleman sat down amidst the loudest applause. Mr. WIRE (the Under Sheriff) seconded the resolution, and called upon the Dissenting Ministers to preach to their flocks upon the religious nature of this question, and urge them to procure the abolition of the Church-rate. The Clergy of the Establishment preached on the opposite side, and why should the Dissenters be afraid to imitate their example.—( Applause.) The resolution was carried unanimously, and amidst much cheering. In consequence of the lateness of the hour, a prepared resolution of thank. to the Chairman (who had retired), was not put, but instead of it three cheers were given, and the meeting separated. COURT OF ALDERMEN. On Tuesday a Court was held for the despatch of business. TIIE CORONATION. Sir P. LAURIE wished to be informed whether application had been made by the proper officer for the accommodation of the Lord tlayor and Aldermen with seats in Westminster Abbey on the day of the Coronation of her Majesty. It was not his intention to go into the question whether it was proper that there should or should not be a banquet ; but as it was incumbent upon the members of this Court, accordirg to the terms of the proclamation, to be present at the cere. mon y, he considered it to be necessary that care should be taken to pro vide the adequate accommodation. The Loan Mayou said it appeared to him, that as the Coronation Banquet was dispensed with, all that was necessary was, that the Re. membrancer should apply to the Earl Marshal for the customary seats for those who should attend from that Court. Sir P. LAURIE observed, that the members must attend as a matter of obligation, and not of favour. The question involved a right which they could not consistently relinquish. Mr. WOODTHORPE (the Town-clerk) said that the Court would no doubt act upon the precalent of William IV. in the course they would pursue with reference to the attendance at the Abbey. The details of the preparations were entered in the books, and the Remembrancer, who was at the House of Commcns, was acting according to the directions there laid down. Sir C. SNrEtt said that it was incumbent upon the Court to see that all the necessary forms which had been observed in the reign of Henry VII., and indeed anterior to that reign, should be strictly adhered to on the approaching Coronation. It struck him that the Coronation of George IV., and not that of William IV., should be adopted as a pre_ cedent, and the Court ought to apply to the Earl Marshal for the usual summons to the members to attend. They were bound to transmit their privileges in a perfect state to those who should succeed them. His (Sir C. Hunter's) years secured him, he was sure, from the imputation of being influenced by any motive, except that of preserving entire the pri vileges of the citizens of London. Alderman TuompsoN moved that the minutes of the proceedings on the Coronation of William IV. should be read, and said that the Court was certainly under the obligation to be governed by the precedent of that day. Mr. Woodthorpe read the minutes, from which it ap;eared that the services of the Lord Mayor and Aldermen having Leen dispensed with, the Renlimbrancer, in the names of his Lordship and his brother Al. dermen, applied for seats in the Abbey to witness the Coronation, and seats were accordingly provided for them and the Sheriff's. Alderman TI10:111`0V proposed that the Remernbrancer should be re quested to write a letter to the Earl Marshal for similar accommodation, and stated that he was positive the claims or posterity would not be pre, judiced by such a course. Sir G. CARROLL (the Sheriff) informed the Court that he had called at the office of the Earl Marshal upon the subject of the admission of the Sheriff's and their ladies, and he was informed there that the Re mernbrancer had written cn the subject of the accommodation of seats for the Lord Mayor and Aldermen. Sir C. S. lluxTEa persevered in recommending that for the sake of the preservation of the privileges of the citizens of London, the Court should apply to the Earl Marshal for the summons to attend according to the anc.eut authorities. In that commons Was a command from the Sovereign to those to whom it was addressed, " to come" to the coro nation, and the minutes of the proceedings at the Coronation of George IV. showed that upon that occasion a similar command was issued. Mr. WOODTHORPE.—As the services of the Lord Mayor and Alder men are dispensed with In consequence of the arrangement that there is to be no banquet, no command of the kind was considered necessary, but the Lord Mayor and Aldermen will be provided with seats in the Abbey, as was the case at the Coronation of William IV., to which the approaching ceremonial is to be assimilated as closely as possible. Alderman Bnowx said that no command was issued, because no ser vice was required ; and, if the members of the Court were disposed to be at the Coronation at all, they would ask for the summons. It was finally agreed that the arrangements should be left to the Re membrancer. CILTSPUIZ-STREET COMPTER. Alderman WILSON said, that the Deputies of the several wards of 'he City were very much annoyed at an order which had been issued by the Police Committee, prohibiting the continuance of the practice of sending prisoners to the Giltspur Street Compter after ten o'clock at night. The Court, after some private discussion, directed that the order should not be carried into execution. Alderman T. WOOD then gave notice of motion to the Court to pre vent the officers from taking prisoners to Giltspur-street Compter atter ten o'clock at night ; and to recommend to each ward the propriety of making secure places of custody for prisoners upon their apprehension. Several members animadverted upon the miserable watch-houses in the wards, and Alderman Thomas Wood's motion will no doubt operate In remedying so great an evil. THE ORDIN MY OF NEWGITE. Sir P. LAraTE produced a letter from the Ordinary of Newgate, ex pressing that venerable man's wish to retire from the onerous and arduous duties of his office, which he had filled 524 years. The letter was addressed to Sir Peter, who wished to refer it to the Police Com mittee, and hoped that the Court would provide for Mr. Cotton's old age. Alderman BROWN said, the letter was not a resignation of the office, and the Court could not come to any understanding with the Ordinary, except he positively gave up the situation. Surely the Ordinary could not suppose that the Court would not act with a just liberality to. wards him. Alderman WILSON said, that in consequence of Mr. Cotton's long no tice of his intention to retire from office, gentlemen had come from Cam bridge to canvass for the situation, and a great deal of inconvenience had been experienced. If he intended to retire he ought to say so at once, and leave it to the Court to make arrangements on account of his past services. Sir. P. LAURIE was of opinion that Mr. Cotton would not retire with. out the assurance that the Court would make hi:n a liberal allowance. The letter was then withdrawn. THE CORONER'S FEES. The LORD MAYOR informed the Court that he had received a letter from Mt. Payne, the Coroner for the City of London and borough of Southwark. It stated, that at the quarter sessions for Southwark the Magistrates had made an order upon the Treasurer of the county of Surrey for the payment of sums of money expended by the Coroner in holding inquests as Coroner for the borough of Southwark, under the statute of the Ist of Victoria; that the Treasurer had declined to obey the order under the directions of the Magistrates of the quarter sessions, and informed the Coroner that the opinion of Counsel should be taken upon the subject, and that no answer could be given until next quarter sessions arrived. The letter concluded by stating, that the Coroner made the communication to the Court, as the question ap peared to be one of jurisdiction between the borough and the county justices. Alderman T. Woon said that the Court had nothing to do with the question. The Coroner's fees were regulated by Act of Parliament, and Mr. Payne knew how to proceed. Alderman BROWN said that the Court could not at all interfere, for the Coroner was appointed not by the Court of Aldermen, but by the Court of Common Council. The communication was ordered to be laid on the table. THE SHERIFFS FOR THE ENSUING YEAR. The LORD MAYOR exhibited a list of the following gentlemen to be put in nomination at the Common hall at Midsummer.day for the office of Sheriffs of the city of London and Sheriff of the county of Middle sex :—Mr. Josiah Wilson, citizen and clothworker ; Mr. Ambrose Moore, citizen and weaver ; Mr. Edward Dalton, citizen and draper ; Mr. Joseph Fletcher, citizen and merchant-tailor; Mr. Charles Curtis, citizen and draper; Mr. John Worthington, citizen and draper; and Mr. W. M. Christie, citizen and feltmaker. Mr. Josiah Wilson and Mr. Moore, the brother and cousin of Alder. man Wilson, who will be elevated to the civic chair next November, will, it is reported, be elected by the Livery. They are gentlemen of the highest respectability. we churchmen keep them, and tart at th e i r own expense.— ( r• 4 11 : ',A said, about the ~...: Obkers of Nottir4 4, ,_;;: ' ,4 _,, , z :Stai• nt that the d, ,„,.:6 : 1 , ' I • ~,,,.' he machinery, ,r, .2. - ,:t fipky,t, ~,. !• • for their own tvt ti t: . aM - 4 -- Atl o e I,tablishmem i n ‘ 0 ~.i .:._ * ttrgalt ockings made ‘,......, 4 , ..• -: MI ,- - - 1 4 / 7 4: 4 4 - /.::•:- 0‘ lit 4 fa After dome business of no public interest the Court adjourned. Extract of a letter from Dresden, of the 24th ult.:— " A secret, which has long excited the public curiosity, has just been di vulged. The late M. Joseph Grassi, Professor of Painting at the Royal Societyof Fine Arts in this city, had, in his apartment beside his bed room, a room, the door of which was always covered with hangings, and into which, since his return in 1804, from his last tour in Italy, no one has been allowed to enter, not even his children. He always carried the key of it about his person, put it under his pillow when he went to bed, and, by way of precaution, he caused the door of this mysterious chamber to be builtup in 18.15. In his will M. Grassi ordered that this chamber should not he opened for three months after his death, and bequeathed an its contents to Duke Augustus, of Gotha, stating that if he had not communicated to any one what it contained, it was to give an agreeable surprise to this Prince, who had been his benefactor. This room has just been opened by the executors of M. Grassi, who found in it 17 pictures of the most famous ancient painters. The Duke took posses sion of them, and placed them in one of the saloons of the Royal Aca demy at Dresden, where they will be publicly exhibited for three months. They will then be sent to Gotha, and placed in the ducal mu. scum of that town. Among them are a Titian, a Carlo Dolci, a Salva— tor Rosa, a Corregio," On Sunday morning a plantation on the estate of Lord Francis Osborne, of Stoke, was found to be on fire, which commu nicated to one close by, the property of Grenville Penn, Esq. In the whole, abcut six acres were burnt. It was doubtless the act of sonic malicious person.—Reading Mercury. A cow belonging to Mr. David Jackson, of Router) Syke, in Arlecdon, gave birth to a calf on Tuesday last, with two heads and two necks—the union of the necks being close to the shoulder In all other respects the formation was single. It was nearly full. grown, but life was entirely extinct when it was calved. FROM TUESDAY'S GAZETTE. DIVIDENDS. At the Court of Bankruptcy, Basinghall.strcet. J. Wicks, warehouseman, Basinghalllstreet, May 29, at half-past twelve—J. Deane, pasteboard manufacturer, Sydney square, Commer cial-road, May 29, at half-past eleven—J. Williams, victualler, Stepney, May 29, at half-past one—T. Woods, upholsterer, Portsmouth, May 31, at half-past twelve—J. James, woollen draper, Southampton-street, Strand, May 31, at one—T. Hellyer, metal warehouseman, St. John. street, May 31, at eleven—G. Topham, coal-merchant, Richmond, Sur. rey, May 29, at twelve—E. Curtis, tailor, Newman's.row, Lincoln's Inn. fields, May 31, at twelve—J. Scantlebury, carpenter, David-street, New. road, May 29, at eleven—lL Hutchinson, master mariner, Cowper's. court, Cornhill, May 29—W. Harrison, goldsmith, St. John's-square, Clerkenwell, May 29, at half-past one. In the Country. S. Smith, farmer, Pedmore, Worcester, June 4, at one, at the Talbot Hotel, Stourbridge—J. Hayward, lodging-house-keeper, Leamington Priors, Warwickshire, May 31, at twelve, at the Lansdowne Hotel, Leamington—J. Smith, corn merchant, Spalding, Lincolnshire, June 8, at half-past eleven, at the Red Lion-inn, Boston—J. Barker, grocer, Sudbury, Suffolk, May 29, at eleven, at the Rose and Crown-inn, Sud. bury—N. Russell, flax dresser, Northallerton, Yorkshire, June 1, at ten, at the Golden Lion-inn, Northallerton—J. Heyward, cotton-manufac. turer, Brinksway, Lancashire, May 30, at one, at the Claremont-rooms, Liverpool—S. T. Probett, printer, Derby, June 5, at eleven, at the Office of Mr. Moss, Derby—J. Blyth, miller, Langhain, Essex, May 29, at three, at Mr. Mason's, Colchester. CERTIFICATES, MAY 29. W. Kier, wine -merchant, Liverpool—T. Halls, victualler, Bell -yard, Gracechurch-street—W. S. Cockram, ironmonger, Taunton, Somerset. shire—J. Lewis, draper, Conwill Elvett, Carmarthenshire—W. Smith and G. Smith, millwrights, Manchester—NV. Connah, coach-proprietor, Manchester—J. Mulholland and W. Mulholland, merchants, Liverpool —R. H. Hayley, grocer, Manchester—T. Kearsley, bone-merchant. Birmingham. THE SUN, LONDON, THURSDA Y, MAY 10, 1838. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, MAY 9. ROYAL ASSENT. The Lord Chancellor, the Archbishop of Canterbury, and the Earl of Shaftesbury, took their seats shortly after Four o'Clock, as Lords Cora missioners, when the Royal Assent was given to the Consolidated Fund Bill, Clergy Residences Bill, Haileybury College Pill, Ribble Navigation Bill, West India Docks, &c. Bill , Cookham Bridge Bill, Portsmouth Floating Bridge Bill, Brecon Market Bill, Tenby Improvement and Harbour Bill, Leominster Improvement Bill, Ashby-de-la-Zouch Small Debts Bill, Wibsey and Huddersfield Road Bill, Ellesmere Roads Bill, Combmartin Roads Bill, Lower King's Ferry Road Bill, Bratton Fle ming (Devon) Inclosure Bill, Swavesey (Cambridge) Inclosure Bill, Albano's Naturalization Bill, Behrens' Naturalization Bill. Their Lordships then adjourned during pleasure. At Five o'Clock the House resumed, and the LORD CHANCRLL on took his seat on the Woolsack. Lord KINNOUL presented two petitions against the Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway, and the House adjourned. 110 USE OF COMMONS, MAY 9. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'Clock. Mr. Waddington took the oaths and his seat for the Western division of the county of Norfolk. The Cambridge Inclosure Bill was read a second time. On the motion of Mr. DIVETT, the Bristol and Exeter Railway Bill was read a third time and passed. The Usher of the Black Rod here entered the House, and summoned the Speaker to attend the House of Lords for the purpose of hearing the Royal Assent given to certain Bills. The SPEAKER on his return announced to the House that the Royal Assent had been given to several Bills, (for which see the Lords Report.) The Birkenhead Improvement Bill, and the Oakham Small Debts Bill, were also read a third time and passed. Mr. BAINES presented a petition from Leeds, praying for the imme. diate abolition of Negro apprenticeship, Mr. BROTHERTON presented several petitions from Manchester and other places, to the same effect. PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED. W. Jackson and W. P. Knowles, ironmongers, Liverpool—J. Melling and NV. Beebee,dealers in calicoes—B. Hamer and S. Smith, woollen. manufacturers, Bury, Lancashire—T. R. and F. Jenks, jewellers, Bir mingham—R. J. Culverwell and T. Cook, medical bath keepers, New Bond-street—J. Wood and J. M`Lachlan, undertakers, Upper-street, Islington—B. Cusworth and T. Parkinson, tallovr.chandlers, Bradford—W. Knee and C. Fryer, coal-dealers, Cheltenham —T. Taylor and -W. Bromley, cabinet-makers, Bury, Lanca shire--A. Morris and J. Grundy, quarrymen, Wheelton, Lancashire-- F. E. Bingley and C. P. Lumb, auctioneers, Leeds—R. Hallas and NV. Bohan, Ardwick, dyers, Lancashire—J. Gilbertson and E. Bourne, Judd-strcet. bakers, St. Pancras—W. Benzic and J. Hutcheson, cart_ owners, Liverpool—B. and J. Fearnley, wire manufacturers, Hightown, Yorkshire—J. Wray, W. Crabtree, and R. Boothman, machine makers, Bradford, Yorkshire, so far as regards R. Boothman—Shanklin and Co., carriers, Chester—J. C. Lupton, It. Pearson, and J. Slurp, machine makers, Bradford, Yorkshire—D. Aitken and R. Jones, surgeons, Court ney-terrace, Kingsland—W. Wright and T. It. Waters, cornfactors, Northampton—J. and M. Dougherty, Huddersfield, clog makers. INSOLVENT DEBTORS. (From Tuesday's Gazette.) SUMMER CIRCUITS, 1838. HOME CIRCUIT. H. R. REYNOLDS, Chief Commissioner, Sussex-At Horsham, Saturday, July 7. Kent-At Dover, Vi ednesday, July 11. At the City of Canterbury-Thursday, July 12. Kent-At Maidstone, Friday, July 13. Hertfordshire-At Hertford, Monday, August 13. Buckinghamshire-At Aylesbury, Wednesday, August 15. MIDLAND CIRCUIT. 1. G. HARRIS, Esq., Commissioner. Essex-At Chelmsford, Monday, July 16. Essex-At Colchester, Tuesday, July 17. Suffolk-At Ipswich, Wednesday, July 18. Suffolk-At Bury St. Edmund's, Thursday, July 19. Norfolk-At Yarmouth, Saturday, July 21. Norfolk-At Norwich and City, Monday, July 23. Norfolk-At Lynn, Wednesday, July 25. Cambridgeshire-At Cambridge, Thursday, July 26. Bedfordshire-At Bedford, Friday, July 27. Huntingdonshire-At Huntingdon, Saturday, July 28. Northamptonshire-At Peterborough, Monday, July 30. Lincolnshire-tAt Lincoln and City, Tuesday, July 31. Nottinghamshire-At Nottingham and Town, Thursday, August 2. Derbyshire-At Derby, Saturday, August 4. Leicestershire-At Leicester, Monday, August 6. Northamptonshire-At Northampton; Tuesday, August 7. At the City of Coventry-Thursday, August 9. Warwickshire-At Was-wick, Friday, August 10. Shropshire-At Oldbury, Monday, August 13. Warwickshire-At Birmingham, Tuesday, August 14. At the City of Lichfield-Wednesday, August 15. Staffordshire-At Staff,rd, Thursday, August 16. Shropshire-At Shrewsbury, Saturday, August 18. NORTHERN CIRCUIT. T. B. BOWEN, Esq., Commissioner. Rutlandshire-At Oakham, Thursday, June 26. Yorkshire-At Sheffield, Friday, June 15. Yorkshire-At Wakefield, Monday, June 18. At the town cf Kingston-upon -Hull-Monday, June 23. At the City of York-Tuesday, June 26. Yorkshire-At York Castle, Wednesday, June 27. Yorkshire-At Richmond, Saturday, June 30. Lancashire-At Liverpool, Monday, July 2. Cheshire-At Chester and City, Friday, July 6. Flintshire-At Mold, Monday, July 9. Denbighshire -At Ruthin, Tuesday, July 10. Anglesey-At Beaumaris, Thursday, July 12. Carnarvonshire- At Carnarvon, Friday, July 13. Merionethshire-At Dolgelly, Monday, July 16. Montgomeryshire-At Welch Pool, Wednesday, July 18. Lancashire-At Preston, Friday, July 20. Lancashire-At Lancaster, Monday, July 23. Westmorland-At Kendal, Friday, August 3. • Westmorland-At Appleby, Saturday, August 4. Cumberland-At Carlisle, Monday, August 6. At the town of Newcastle-upon-Tyne -Wednesday, August 6. Northumberland-•At Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Thursday, August 9. Durham-At Durham, Friday, August 10. SOUTHERN CIRCUIT. W. J. Law, Esq., Commissioner. Berkshire-At Reading, Tuesday, June 19. Oxfordshire-At Oxford, Wednesday, June 20. Brecknockshire-At Brecon, Saturday. June 23. Glamorg,anshire-At Cardiff, Tuesday, June 26. Glamorganshire-At Swansea, Thursday, June 28. Carmarthenshire-At Carmarthen and Borough, Friday, June 29. Pembrokeshire-At Haverfordwest and Town, Tuesday, July S. Cardiganshire-At Cardigan, Thursday, July 5. Radnorshire-At Presteigne, Saturday, July 7. Worcestershire-At Worcester and City, Monday, July 9. Herefordshire-At Hereford, Wednesday, July 11. Monmouthshire-At Monmouth, Thursday, July 12. Gloucestershire-At Gloucester and City, Saturday, July 14. At the City ofßristol-Wednesday, July 18. Somersetshire-At Bath, Saturday, July 21. Somersetshire-At Wells, Monday, July 23. Devonshire-At Plymouth, Thursday, July 26. Devonshire-At Exeter and City, Monday, July 30. Cornwall-At Bodmin, Friday, July 27. Dorsetshire-At Dorchester, Wednesday, August 1. Wiltshire-At Salisbury, Friday, August 3. Hampshire-At Winchester, Saturday, August 4. At the Town of Southampton-Monday, August 6. CIRCASSIA.—The education of Circassian youth forcibly reminds us of the heroic ages of Greece, for few boys in this country are allowed to remain under their parents' roof until they have attained to manhood. As soon as a male child comes into the world, a bow and quiver of arrows are given him, as symbolical of his future destination ; an amulet is at the same time fastened to some part of his body, for the purpose of warding him against enchantments and evil eyes. After the tender years of childhood are passed he is taken away from his mother, and placed under the care of some warrior of repute for skill in military exercises. This individual undertakes to act the part of a father by him, and receives the appellation of Attalik, or step-father. The boy is not allowed to see his parents on any one occasion while in the A ttalik's hands ; so jealous are the Circassians lest their youth should be allowed t o run wild by his parents' neglect, or be ren d er ed effemi nate by over ind u l gence. The C i rcassian appears, indee d , in his early year s to avoid everything which may enervate him, and his scruples extend even to the society of his wife and children. From this motive he not only bids defiance to the violence of the elements, but cheerfully en counters hunger and thirst; and though he might remain under his own roof, faring sumptuously every day, will oft-times wander up and down the country for weeks together, with no other fare in his bag but a modicum of pulse and a bottle of skhau. He is in truth, a living pattern of self.denial and abstemiousness, and avoids all luxurious dis. plays save when thrown into strangers' society, or playing his part on public occasions. When, however, he reaches a more advanced period of life he lays all his asceticism on the shelf; and sets about what we should call " enjoying himself;" for in every quarter you will find the Circassian of matured years fondly devoted to the companionship of his wife and children ; his homestead the very picture of domestic happi ness. As far as my own experience and information go, I should say that no married people live on terms of snore perfect harmony and good understanding together than the Circassian and his wife —sharing emu. lously in mutual solicitude for the wants and comfort of their house hold, and anxiously assisting one another in training their children until they are of age to be placed in more competent hands.—United Service Journal. Considerable sensation was occasioned in Gallow ! gate last week, by a most determined attempt to commit murder. The accused is a young man, employed as a carrier's porter. It appears that he had been paying his addresses to a young girl, residing in the neighbourhood of his place of business, and finding that his suit was rejected, he had expressed himself as determined to take leer life, and had actually purchased a new knife such as might be used by a butcher, for the purpose. The girl had risen in the morning at 5 o'clock to a washing, girl's assistance, when her revengeful lover met her in the c l ose on her way from her mother's house, and, with the instrument alre a d y mentioned, inflicted sy eof a l h e wounds murder" brought a num ber inh t Neighbours efn c tothe e ; but i from completing his wicked design.—Glasgow Chronicle. rl , s the cries o prevented her assailant DUEL EXTRAORDINARY. - -On F r id ay morn i n g r t a duel was fought at Newton Park, between a Mr. Pigot, and as we are informed, a Mr. CarrolL Mr. Pigot was attended by a Mr. Griffiths and a medical gentleman. The names of the other parties are un known. At the sixth shot Mr. Pigot received his adversary's ball in the leg. At four or five of the previous shots the parties drove the balls through various parts of each other's clothes ; but they were deter mined to shoot on until either would be hit. It was said that Mr. Pigot called for another shot whilst the blood was pouring from his leg. His request, as a matter of course, was not granted. The dispute between the parties arose at a billiard table in Gra fton-street, at a late hour on Thursday night, or rather at an early hour on Friday morning, and they did not retire to rest until they had settled their dispute. Mr. Pigot was brought to a house at Booterstown, where he lies suffering under considerable pain ; however, we are happy to say the wound is not dangerous.—Dublin Register. A DEVOTED WIFE.—Some months ago her husband Madame - P -, residing at Toulouse , lost , t whom she was onsequence of • ten derly attached. Knowing that, in c . • his death, she would be obliged to come and pass the remainder of her days near Paris, and not being able to bear the idea of being so far separated from the remains of her beloved husband, she contrived secretly to remove the dead body from the coffin, and filled the vacuum with sand, which was on the fol lowing day interred with all due ceremonies in the cemetery of Toulouse. She afterwards had the corpse placed in a leaden coffin, and enveloped in a case resembling a wardrobe, and conveyed to her new residence near Paris. A short time after her arrival she made the authorities ac quainted with what she had done, and obtained permission to have it deposited with all the offices of the Church in the burying-ground of the parish, where she has ever since paid a daily visit. The salmon fishing, by the improved stake net on the Clyde is doing well this season at all the stations on the Clyde, but more especially at Mr. Wallace of Kelly's fishing at Wemys Bay. About three times the number of fish have been taken, up to the pre sent time, that were taken last year, and it was a good season. The price of salmon, nevertheless, still keeps high, but it is expected to fall immediately. • , CORN LAWS. The Marquis of CHANDOS presented several petitions from Buck. inghamshire, against the Foreign Corn Bonding Bill. Sir C. B. VERE also presented several petitions from Suffolk, to the acne effect. Mr. DENNISON presented a petition in favour of the Bill. IRISH NATIONAL EDUCATION. Sir It. BATESON presented petitions from Ireland against the system of Irish National Education. COPYRIGHT BILL. Mr. HUME presented several petitions against the Bill—one from Dr. Birkbeck, chairman of the meeting at the Freemasons'-hall, yester day (Tuesday evening), in opposition to the Bill. ECCLESIASTICAL COURTS (IRELAND) BILL. GOULBURN presented petitions against the Ecclesiastical Courts Bill. FOREIGN CORN BONDING BILL. Colonel SEALE moved that the Bill be read a second time. The Marquis of CH A NDOS opposed the Bill, as likely to be highly injurious to the agricultural interest, and moved that it be read a second time that day six months. Mr. WARBURTON contended that the effect of the Bill would be rather beneficial than otherwise to the agricultui al interest. Mr. HEATHCOTE saidlthe agriculturists, whether right or wrong, felt strongly against the 13 , 11—(Cheers from the Liberal Members) and perhaps they were as good judges of their own interests as others. The measure was brought forward to legalise a fraud. It was well known that the bonded system was fraud from nearly beginning to end. The shipping interest had a monopoly of the.coasting and colonial trade. Then what right had they to the boon to be granted to them which the Bill would do at the expence of the farmer.—(Hear, hear.) The feeling of the agricultural interest was that they should be left alone, and he trusted the House would throw out the Bill, for it was an attempt to get rid of the corn laws by a side wind. Lord WORSLEY said he was perfectly aware that the feeling of his constituents was against the Bill, but he could not honestly oppose it.— (Loud cheers.) He was afraid that the farmers were taking a very wrong course in opposing the Bill, and though he was sorry to go against their wishes, still, as he believed that they were de ceived upon the question, and as he thought the Bill would not do them any harm, he would support it. If any part of the foreign corn was to be permitted to be used in the country, he would have opposed it, but he supported the Bill from the conscientious belief that he was doing the best for the farmers' own interest. Sir J. TYRRELL defended the agricultural interest from the charge brought against them of selfishness upon this question. The Bill would be a benefit only to the great millers, and that at the expense of the Agriculturalists. He most cordially concurred in the opposition to the Bill, and trusted it would be thrown out. Mr. BROTHERTON believed that the Bill would do good not only to the commercial but to the agricultural interests, but he was glad to see the stand made by the landed gentry against this Bill, for if they threw it out it would do much goc.d and would advance the good object, the repeal of the most cruel and oppressive laws which were to be found in the statute book.—(Loud cheers.) Mr. P. THOMSON said, considering the situation in which he stood, the House would expect a few observations from him. He could not agree with the observations that had been made by the Noble Lord opposite. He could not believe that the agricultural gentleman of Eng land would reject a measure of the kind, especially as it would benefit a large class of the community, without injuring the agriculturist, or depreciating the value of land. If fears were entertained with respect to the measure, in the Committee was the proper pace to make objections, and not at the present stage. He hoped the Hon. Member who introduced the measure would receive the support of the Hon. Mem ber for Tamworth. He thought the Bill should be read a second time, and any alterations might be made in Committee to secure the landholder, Sir EDWARD KNATCHBULL said he would support the motion of his Noble Friend for the rejection of the Bjll.—(Hear, hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Gentleman opposite had said that, in Committee, clauses might be introduced to protect the landowner. He would fearlessly assert it was impossible for him to do so. Sir R. PEEL considered it very strange that Hon. Gentlemen opposite should expect him to vote in favour of this Bill, atter that which had been brought in by his own friends had been found to be a failure with respect to the very points which, it was urged, were the chief objections to the measure before the House.—(Hear, hear.) He confessed he had no very strong feeling on the subject, either the one way or the other ; at the same time, although he did not think that the measure would be to any considerable extent injurious or beneficial, either to the commer cial or the manufacturing interests, yet, coupling the consideration that it was very probable it would create much dissatisfaction in the minds of a great portion of the community, with the fear on the part of the agri. cultural interest that it would be prejudicial to them, he must give his vote in favour of the amendment of his Noble Friend.—(Cheers, and eries of " Divide.") Mr. D. ROCHE supported the Bill. The Earl of DARLINGTON said that great disadvantages would at. tacit to the passing of a Bill like this. The LORD ADVOCATE thought the Bill ought at all events to be allowed to be read a second time, and if there was any ground for fraud in its present form a guard against that might be added to it in the Comm ittee.— (Hear.) Sir J. GRAHAM supported the amendment. Mr. MARK PHILIPS supported the Bill. Colonel SEALE briefly replied, and the House divided, when the numbers were, For the second reading For the amendment ....... ............... 220 Majority against the second reading —7O PRISONS (SCOTLAND) BILL. On the motion of Mr. F. MAULE, this Bill passed through a Corn mittee proforma, and was ordered, with the amendments, to be printed, and recommitted on Monday next. ECCLESIASTICAL COURTS (IRELAND) BILL. Mr. BARRON moved the second reading of the Ecclesiastical Courts (Ireland) Bill. This Bill was founded on both the reports which had been the result of the inquiries which had taken' place into the constitution and practice of those Courts, and some suggestions which had occurred to himself in the framing of it. The Judge who presided over those Courts had declared that some alteration was called for; and among other changes which the measure proposed effecting were, trial by jury in certain cases, and vise voce evidence instead of the present practice of examining witnesses by written interrogatories. At present the Judge had no power to make rules fur regulating either the practice or the fees payable to the Proctors and other officers of those Courts, but by this Bill such a power would be given. In short, the Judge of the Ecclesiastical Courts was to be placed in the same situation precisely in these respects as the Judges of the Courts of equity and common law. This was absolutely necessary, as no one who knew anything about the Ecclesiastical Courts could deny that proceedings in them were ruinous to the suitors and profitable only to the practitioners. It was not a little singular that the Crown had no power to grant a retiring pension to the Judge of these Courts, even though he might have filled the situation for sixteen or seventeen years, and be weighed down with age 'and infirmities : but the fact was so. For this hardship he proposed a iremedy, and, consequently, th e Bill empowered the Crown to grant a 'retiring pension when such a provision ought to be given. He had named 2,500/. as the sum that ought to be allowed, but as he had no wish that the House should adopt his view on the subject he would leave it to them to fix whatever sum they pleased. The Hon. Member concluded by moving that the Bill be now read a second time. The SPEAKER having put the question, Mr. GOULBURN felt, in common with many others, the strongest objection to the principle of the Bill which proposed to abolish the pre sent Ecclesiastical Courts, and to establish entirely new Courts in their stead. There was another objection to this Bill. Government had pro. mised to bring in a Bill for the regulation of Ecclesiastical Courts in 'England, and he thought they ought to wait until they had the experi ence of that Bill. After stating some objections to the details of the Bill, the Right Hon. Gentleman concluded by moving that it should be read a second time that day six months. The amendment having been put, Mr HUME considered the Bill very important, and one which the Government ought to have brought in; but if they did not do so he did not think that a reason why any Member of the House should be pre. eluded from introducing a Bill to effect an useful object. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER regretted the absence of his Right Hon. Friend the Attorney-General for Ireland, and would recommend his Hon. Friend the Member for Waterford not to press the second reading now, but postpone it to some future day when the Attor. ney-General for Ireland would be present, and when the House would have the opinion of the law officers of the Crown and of those who were the most competent judges of a question of this kind. Mr. BARRON would acquiesce in the suggestion, and postpone the second reading of the Bill to that clay fortnight. The amendment having been withdrawn in consequence of the Hon. Member's postponing the Bill, the second reading, after a short con. versation, was postponed to that day fortnight. CUSTODY OF INFANTS BILL. Mr. Sergeant TALFOURD brought up the report of this Bill, and moved that the Bill be engrosses!. On the question being put, Sir E. SUGDEN felt it to be his duty not to allow this Bill to proceed without opposing it in every stage. The question was one which con_ cerned the benefit of society, and was, whether women, no matter what their characters might be, were to have the custody of their own children ? He thought it would be an evil, even for the sake of women themselves; for if they thought that they could demand their children, the knowledge that the law gave them this power might in many in. , stances lead to separations which otherwise would never take place. It might be said that the Bill did not give the absolute right. True, but it slid worse. It gave them a right to show cause why they should not be given the custody of their children. The whole of a man's life would thus be brought forward in affidavits. Mr. PRAED would give his cordial support to this measure. His Bight Hon. and Learned Friend stated as a reason for opposing the Bill that the object of it was to give to a mother, no matter how depraved her conduct might ha' • been, the custody of her children. The Bill contained nothing of the sort. —(llear, hear.) It merely went to give her access to them.—(Hear, hear.) His Right Hon. and Learned Friend stated also that it would give rise to interminable disputes as to the custody of the children. The Right Hon. Gentleman had urged that argument before; but he (Mr. Freed) did not think it was at a ll likely to produce that effect. In his opinion the effect of the Bill would be to keep all minor cases of disagreement out of Court, as it would give to the wife that access to her children to pro cure which she was now so often driven into open rebellion. His Right Honourable and Learned Friend also said that the Bill would drive the husharrd to rebel ; but what was the case now ? The wife was driven to rebel—the injured instead of the oppres sor.—(lleer, hear ) The Bill would not, in his opinion, lead to sepa ration. The present system precluded the chance of reconciliation; but if, as was the intention of the Bill, the wife was allowed to have daily intercourse with her children, it was impossible to conceive A a means more likely to restore harmony and affection. His Right Hon. and Learned Friend also complained that the Bill legislated only for particular cases ; but cases of separation were only individual cases, and he (Mr. Praecl) hoped they v•ould long continue so.—(Hesr, hear.) tlow did the present system operate in the case of the illegitimate child ? In that case the father was, generally speaking, the better guardian; but still the mother—a person who had forfeited her character—was the per son who had authority over the child. Could anything be worse ? Mr. SHAW agreed with his Right Hon. Friend in his opposition to the Bill. Sergeant TALFOURD was not at all unprepared to answer the ob jections which had been started, having given the subject the fullest con sideration. The Right Hon. and Learned Member for Rippon, when the question was last before the House, observed that he (Sergeant Tal fourd) had selected the cases of greatest hardship. His answer was then, that he had brought all the cases before the House.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") The cases were few, in consequence of the strong dis inclination of English ladies to bring their wrongs before the public— a disinclination which nothing but their affection for their children could overcome. That was the only motive that could induce them to appeal to a Court of Law, and for that reason were the cases so few with which he enforced the necessity for this Bill. His Right Hon. Friend objected that:this small instalment of justice would tend to tempt women to separate from their husbands. He (Sergeant Talfourd) thought that this was a strong reason for supporting the Bill. If, under the present law the wife, from her deep affection for her children, was induced and forced to remain dishonoured under her husband's roof, was that a reason why her feelings should still be outraged ?—(Hear, hear.) With respect to the Right Hon. Gentleman's objection, that the Bill would have a tendeney to bring cases of great scandal before the public, he would say that so far from that being his object the tendency of the Bill was to prevent it, as the husband would not, under it, be obliged to issue out a writ of attachment, as in the case of Mr. Greenhill, nor the wife to outrage the laws of her country for the sake of complying with the higher laws of nature and of God.—(Hear, hear.) With respect to the mother obtaining undue influence, his Right Hon. and Learned Friend would recollect that making the children wards in Chancery, as in Wellesley's case, would prevent that. He asked then for a vote on the simple ground that it was but common justice that the mo ther should have access to her children. He knew a case, that of Mr. Greenhill, in which he was Counsel for the husband. In that case three little children were brought up on a writ of habeas corpus, and the Judge before whom they were brought begged to be allowed to arbitrate as to their disposal. The wife assented to this, but Mr. Greenhill re fused ; and the consequence was that the wife was now an exile from her country, and her husband was left to learn that there was a power mightier than the law—mightier than the Judges—the deep affection of the human heart.—(Cheers.) He wished to give the Judge the power to say whether the mother might or might not be permitted to see her children. Mr. GOULBURN was of opinion that this Bill would only apply to a few unimportant cases. The Bill would give power to divorced women to see their children, and have centroul over them. He could not con ceive a more impolitic provision. If the father wished to preserve his children from contamination, he should keep them separated from such a woman. Mr. FRESHFIELD was of opinion that the Judges should be given a discretionary power to allow mothers access to their children. He be lieved that bad wives were not a bit more plentiful than bad husbands.— (Hear.) On these grounds he would not have the slightest hesitation in voting for this Bill. Lord MAHON thought that when criminal conduct was proved against the mother, she ought not to be permitted to see the children. If some provision of this sort was introduced into the Bill, it would tend greatly to obviate the objections against it. Unless that were done, he should be under the painful necessity of voting against the Bill. Mr. Sergeant TALFOURD, if he found the feeling of the House in favour of such a clause, would have no objection to introduce such a clause at the third reading, and leave the House to deal with it. After a few words of explanation from Sir E. SUDDEN and Mr. Ser geant TALFOURD, The House divided, when there appeared— For the motion 9l Against it Majority COPYRIGHT. Mr. Sergeant TALFOURD then moved the Order of the Day for going into Committee on the Copyright Bill. Mr. WAKLEY moved, as an amendment, that the House go into Committee on the Bill that day six months. When this Bill was for merly discussed there were but seventy-five Members in the House, and the second reading was carried only by a majority of five. It could not, therefore, be said that the sense of the House had been expressed upon the subject, and he should now endeavour to ascertain that sense by pressing his amendment to a division. Indeed, when the question had been previously discussed not one argument was urged nor one fact adduced calculated to support the measure. The Honourable and Learned Gentleman by whom it had been intro duced admitted that he was not about to legislate for the com munity, but for one in five hundred. Now the House should not look to the interests of individuals, but that of society at large. It was not right to tamper with the vast interests which were likely to be affected by such a measure. Before the Act of Anne, as had been ad mitted on high legal authority, the copyright was in perpetuity; and what was the effect upon the interests of authors. Allusion had been made to the descendants of Milton ; but Honourable Gentlemen seemed to have forgotten that Milton wrote at a period when the copyright was perpetual, yet with all this protection, he was only able to procure Si. or 10/. for his " Paradise Lost."—(Hear, hear.) The Honourable and Learned Gentleman had said that the Bill was necessary to secure literature from the freezing effects which science was likely to produce upon the spirit of the age. The " freezing effects of science," indeed! Because of the freezing effects of science they were to legislate in favour of literature alone, and disregard all other valuable discoveries.—(Hear, hear.) It should be remembered that science, notwithstanding its " freezing influence," had done much for authors. The efforts of capital, of industry, and of skill had produced a reading public, and created an almost undue appetite for certain classes of literature. Those who wrote for reward were at no time better paid than at the present, and as to those who wrote for posterity, why, let posterity reward them.—(Laughter.) With respect to this Bill, he feared that there were some authors at the bottom of it, who imagined that, at present, they did not receive the fame and profit to which their great labours entitled them in their own opinions. —(Laughter.) The Hon. Member for Maidstone had said that Mr. Southey intended at one period to write a history of the monas tic orders, which would procure a fame equal to that of Gibbon. With respect to the fame he (Mr. Wakley) must be permitted to express his doubts. Mr. Southey, it appeared, had been deterred from undertaking the work because he could only enjoy the copyright during his life. It was much to be doubted whether Mr. Southey would have ever carried carried his intention into effect. If the authority of the Right llon. Baronet the Member for Pembroke were to be relied upon with re spect to Mr. Southey it was very improbable that lie would have prosecu ted the work. The Right Hon. Baronet on one occasion gave it as his opinion of Mr. Southey that that Gentleman had so often changed sides it would be impossible to say what his opinion would be upon any subject at any given time. The Right Honourable Baronet's opinion upon such a subject was entitled to some weight, as he had "him self changed sides.—(" Hear, hear," and laughter.) Indeed literary men were peculiarly fickle, as much so as young girls.-- (Laughter.) The real question for the House to consider was whe ther authors were at present sufficiently remunerated—whether suffi cient inducements were held out to make them exert themselves—and whether the public at large were benefitted by the present law. . Now with respect to science, he would ask where would authors have been but for the discovery of printing? In one thousand years previous to the sixteenth century there were but three hundred books brought out in this country. What was the produce since? Six hundred had been published in one year.—(Hear, hear.) He denied that there was any real distinction between the production of a book and any other invention. They were all the production of mind, whether impressed upon paper, upon metal, or upon glass.—(Hear, hear.) The proper question was which production would be likely to prove most useful to the public ? In the medical profession the man would be despised and set down as a quack who attempted to keep secret any valuable discovery which he might happen to make.—(Hear, hear.) The Hon. and Learned Sergeant appeared to have particularly in view an author who was of opinion that he was not sufficiently appreciated by the public. That author had written certain works which the public would not read, and in his (Mr. Wakley's) opinion the public were in the right.—(Laughter.) The Hon. and Learned Gentleman seemed to think that authors were entitled to a perpetuity in their copyright, but as he could not procure that for them he was satisfied to take it for their lives, with an addition of sixty years. The Hon. and Learned Member for Ripon, who was a good authority in such cases, had informed them that such a right was a right in perpetuity, and that no person would give a farthing for its reversion. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman who brought forward this measure wanted no Committee. He did not seek for any inquiry, because he was afraid of the facts which would come out. There were Committees on this subject in 1814 and 1818, and the result of their inquiry was, that the protection should not ex tend beyond 28 years. An Hose. MEMBER — Fourteen years. Mr. WAKLEY--One Committee was for 14, the other for 28 years, but he would take the larger extension. In 1814 a Bill was brought in by a Mr. Giddy, and a very giddy person he appeared to be.— (Laughter.) So dissatisfied was that Hon. Gentleman with his own Bill, that he moved the report should be taken into consideration in the following session, but the authors then in the House thought it best to accept it even as it was. Was there really any ground of complaint on the part of authors? Look at Sir Walter Scott, who had realised 260,0001. by his works. He (Mr. Wakley) did not envy him. He thought him well entitled to it. He would call upon the House to ob serve how strenuously the proposition was supported by Hon. Gen. tlemen on the opposite side. Sergeant TALFOURD (looking at Mr. Spring Rice)— And on this. Mr. WAKLEY—The Hon. and Learned Gentleman appeals to the Chancellor of the Exchequer. I admit that he is the Chancellor of the Exchequer, but he is not this side of the House.—(Loud laughter.) He (Mr. Wakley) was glad that the works of Scott had been appreciated, but if it were said that Sir Walter Scott's family were not in affluence, he would ask, where was the fault ? Was it the fault of the public ? (Hear.) Was it the fault of the publisher ?—(Hear.) No such thing. The fault lay with Sir Walter Scott himself. If that gentleman had been content with his legitimate profits as an author, he would not have fallen into the difficulties by which he had suffered. He wished to join the profits of trade to the profits of literature, and thence came the crash.—(Hear, hear.) He found that the difficulties under which Sir Walter Scott laboured were the consequences of—he did not wish to use the harsh term of avarice, but—his too great love of gain•.. He would refer them to scenes which were now passing before them ; he would ask them how the present system of copyright worked with regard to authors and the public, and he would show that it was quite sufficient for all legitimate purposes of the writers of works, and the public. The pub• lishers were thebest judges of the real value which should be attached to the works of authors; and, notwithstanding literary gentlemen might imagine them destitute of taste, the profit they would produce was de cidedly the best test of their value. This was a Bill which was not a question of party.—( Hear, hear.) All classes and all parties were equally concerned ; the rights of the public were deeply interested, and he trusted they would not be neglected to grant an undue privilege to authors, however deserving those gentlemen inside and outside the House might feel themselves of an especial protection for their works. Let the House investigate all the circumstances connected with this Bill ; let them not be led away to a decision by an eloquent speech ; let them appoint a special Committee to inquire into them; and before that Com mittee he pledged himself some facts would be elicited calculated corn. pletely to defeat it. Upon such a subject it would be far better to have some positive arid undeniable evidence than the speeches or opinions of authors whomight entertain a very different opinion of their own works from that entertained by publishers or the public. He would quote a few instances for them which, in all probability, would create suf ficient astonishment amongst some of the warmest supporters of the Bill. There was one gentleman, well known to Hon. Members, who was the editor of the Quarterly Review, and had published some admirable works. He alluded to Mr. Lockhart, who was, he believed, a friend to the Bill. He had sometime since published a work at 10s. 6d., which had afterwards been bought in cart loads by Mr. Tegg, the bookseller, in Cheapside, at 9d. a volume.—(Laughter.) Would the Copyright Bill enable him to get 91d. ?—(Laughter.) At the end of 28 years would those books be snore valuable than they were when the bookseller purchased them ? Would any author come forward, after the expiration of that period to claim his share in the superabundant profit arising from the 9d. a volume ? He (Mr. Wakley) would bring forward another instance, namely, Mr. Lytton Bulwer, who had bee❑ very successful as an author, and whose works lie (Mr. Wakicy) had always read with that delight which they could not fail to produce. That Gentleman had not long ago published a work " England and the English ;" it was a work published at 1/. lls. 6d., in dire.: volumes. Mr. BULWER—No, two volumes. at 1/. Mr. WAKLEY—WeII, he was obliged for the correction, but it did not materially affect his argument. What had that work been purchased for by Mr. Tegg, who was a most respectable Conservative gentleman, and had lately been a candidate for the office of t Lerman of the city of London? There was no gentleman a better judge of the proper value which attached to a publication, and he had purchased hfr. power' . " England and the English" for one shilling a volume—the workl,e,.ll r which Mr. Bulwer had so high a respect, as to publish at one Pon light upon the merits of author:, in their own estimation, as comparedid (Loud laughter.) Those were the facts that were calculated to th with that esteem in which they were held by the publishers. not mean to say th a t th ose authors were not deserv i ng of high remu neration. He trusted they had received it, and he would say that, so far from the prices of Mr. Tegg discouraging M numerous wer, that Honourable Gentleman would yet bring forth e works as clever, and deserving of support, as those which had gon e n a v t before. There was another Honourable Gentleman, who under the the opposite side of the House, and who had Also gone unee bands of Mr, Tegg. The talented author of " Vivian Grey," and several other works, had suffered from the depreciation of price. I trusted that no word he uttered with reference to those talented Other Gen tlemen would be taken as conveying any disrespect or any feeling than that of admiration for their abilities ; but he instanced authors cases because, from the high character of those gentlemen as b v ent r ur n e u t . c: se their names would convey greater weight. " Vivian Grey" had originally published at 11. I Is. Gd., and it had been afterwards bou g htt.ein by Mr. Teg; for Bd. per volume. Was it for the purpose of selling at a high price in 60 or even in 30 years, when perhaps be migh t in his grave, that M r . T egg b oug h t then ? No; th a t gentleman '° sufficiently wary in his money c a l cu l a ti ons, an d i t was w ith a 11°P0 ()f a speedy sale he purchased them, for he knew well, as a mercantile that money should have a qu i c k re t urn i n order to i nsure profit, f l ea knew that so far from h av i ng a v i ew to selling them at a re mote pe ri they should go on th e b u tt erman ' s counter if they were not sold quickly He would now call th e i r a tt en ti on to another gentleman, who, although not in that house, was sufficiently well known to them all by his literary character, Hook, editor of the New Monthly gag a _ x ,,,,,, and he believed also of the John Bull—at least so his mernoranuoe..... stated. One of that gentleman's last works had gone to Tegg, too. (Laughter.) It had been published by him at 1/. lls. 6d., and M • e ` no , e had purchased it for Bd. a volume. He (Mr. Wakley) did not ' there why the publisher had given Mr. Hook but Bd. while he ga ve ' l , tae more—(Laughter)—but such was the face The next on his 11.` and Captain Marryat. He had also gone to Mr. Tegg— one of his works which he had published at 1/. e Is. Gd. pnrchnis by Mr. Tegg for 9d. per volume. These were facts which Mr. er '' would have no objection to communicate to the House or anY Hon. Member who wished to interest himself upon the subject so far as P oe sonally to inquire; they were the result of his deliberate judgment. had a large stake in such proceedings, and was, of course, actuatene, the honest principle of giving for them what they were worth toTilliu; The stock in books of that gentleman was valued at 170,00 01 pO - another instance which should he the last ; it was the case 0f a , bed a litical writer—Mr. Fonblanque, of the Examiner—who had Puh lls work with a most attractive title, that could scarcely have failed sure a sale. The work was named " England under seven Adr e its in h l e e trations ;" that had also gone to Tegg —(Laughter.) It was Pu b e ne in two volumes at twelve shillings per volume, and purchased bYt'itat Tegg at one shilling a volume. A person would be led to imagi ne „la (Laughter) astea Mr. Tegg's arm • should become paralyzed by such daring. B ut „ W re so, those gentlemen cease to favour the world with their works ? ' th eir they would publish on as before, depending upon the ability of cre st writings to procure a sale. This Bill sought to give authors a Pe r P Bill copyright, a most unwise and injudicious proceeding. It ‘vas founded upon sympathy, no very good ground for an Act of Berea,. Act Let the House look to th e A ct of the eighth of Anne, and to a; dee of 1814, and learn experien ce b y them. They were called tiPlin ole os stroy great interests for the benefit of a few, upon the most f r bet. grounds; but he trusted they would not do so. There should be 'i ro ie ter cause for passing so important a measure than the able an eloquent eloquent speech of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman who introbeeoe, the Bill. They had heard no grounds adduced to support it. 'r eh i e ct. vocates of that Bill were opposed to all further inquiry upon the sn'ee They objected to a special Committee to investigate it thorough l y' receive evidence upon it. The H on. and Learned Gentleman W ho e be en introduced it had not alluded t o th e pr i ncely fortunes which In'ityself amassed by authors under the p resen t system, but had confined h e ( eV. to some cases of suffering which do doubt existed, but which in in' ife e. Wakley's) mind were not re f era bl e to the present system. The, into Gentleman concluded by m ov i ng hi s amendment, that the Hou se g ° Committee on the Bill that day aix months. Mr. JERVIS seconded the amendment. lOW Mr. MILNES said that when the Hon. Member for Finsburls mra t his wish for a renewed consideration of that Bill he must have considered that there was a great dearth of business before the House. In ' ‘ , l lllf collection he did not remember any subject which had been tner „eirr; and completely discussed than it had been on the last evening ( 01l which it was discussed, He never took part in a debate every bearing of a question was more fully gone into, or comP letelf ele -s tertained than that he had the honour to join the other ev en • F " e l se (Hear, hear.) In his opinion the speech of the Hon. Member for cot!' bury, though sufficiently amusing, was certainly not remarkable ford taming anything like a sound argument against the Bill. H e t see duced some very spiteful and ingenious quotations, but he had wor'-ees coinpanied them with very false analogies. He (Mr. Milnes) vvas pleased at the speech of the Honourable Gentleman. There s c o oe s good deal of drastic humour which was a great treat to the d and as such he had no objection to hear it ; tiler speech e l T ega ee merit-it had an appearance of being the speech More of a d eatie" from Mr. Tegg than of one engaged in an important e eso e sion of the merits of the very valuable and iinisar'ro, Bill before them. He had instanced the case of his own P ev a fession, why any new or important discovery was made. Vis . s 4 tll O anything less in point than such a case ? Why, there did not eX , ' If a. during weeery slightest—the most remote—analogy between the two case s ' else gentleman belonging to th e me di cal profession made any importanthie covery in it, the very fact of his having done so was the herald to fortune ; his fame was immediately spread abroad—his eminenc e sde , established—and the consequ en t t ang ib le benefits followed. 1)3I l I t o' vantage arose to him. B ut, h e would ask, had this any analogy tP,„O case of a man who sacrifi ce d hi s life, and his talents, a nd all his exee t 7 i I frequently to the adv an t age of other generations ? In every other c, the speech of the H on. G entleman was totally i nco h e rent, and he n, n oe cited that as an in s t ance; i ndeed, perhaps, he s h ou ld have said oire correctly, that if that s p eec h h ad any weight at all, it was at his Milne's) side. If it p rove d anyth i ng, it proved that works were to dr had as cheaply now a s th ey could be had at any future Per even allowing that the Bill had been passed ; and as cheaply tette ' greatest lover of lit era t ure could wish. Did the Honourable 10''- blame the booksellers f or g i v i ng so low a price to the authorl whose names he h a d in s t ance d? Did he object to the Bd. or a volume which had been given for those works ? Was that the M e n ing of his having bro u ght th em b e f ore the House ? And if s uch '7 not been his motive for havi ng i n t ro d uced those cases, where was hrA motive ? Surely if literary works of established merit, and by the D C 'i e authors, men whose fa me was generally recognised, if those works CO be purchased by the booksell ers f or so small a sum, it did not a rgv,eth' e the public were not now as g enera ll y supplied with literature as could be under any new arrangement. A good system of SeopYr ig f ic; would, he had no limitation in saying, so far front raising undulY * price of literature, have ra th er a contrary effect. Look to GerManl , -) ' 0 country which had benefitted more by literature than any other na t a l e e in Europe, and she had achieved all those incalculable advantages 0 ,% c 1e the operation of a nation a l C opyr i ght Bill. Here was an instance sr- oe' at once answered all th e o bj ect i ons of those opposed to the In ea e et which he had such ple asure i n supporting. In France at this incajlee. the printers and publi s h ers were seeking for a national Copyright of,' to protect them from the mad competition which the Pre sent e lse' tern produced. In America the case was similar. There 0ce . , 0 the very men whom th e H onourable Gentleman assumed to advme were calling for a Copy r i g h t B i ll as a means of protection for t hen'se He (Mr. Mines) believ e d th at a just se,tem would benefit th e P 10 generally, and the authors in particular, by affording them a P ret ' ee s ct° which at present they did not enjoy. It was said the Legisla t t fee pe d called upon to act f or t h e benefit of a few;, perhaps there Wa s . a he its deal of truth in th a t , b ut if one person in 500 s h ou ld be benefited the remaining 499 would not be injured.—(H ear. ) And if thcese fe y ' t ee sons had sufficient claims to protection, it might be granted rather t° Ii general advantage, as every just system would always necessarily h e ' or' was rather sing u l ar t h at this Bill received so much oppo sition.' fro nt Oht lion. Gentleman who belonged to a party that were aliVa•yS oCe i the great adv an t ages the people were daily receiving from the ay. svcr e ment of intell ectua l i mprovement. If this advaricenlen' ostirs proved to be so great, was not the natural inference an Al'. the for good w or k s, which could act with sufficiznt power -0 0 .0 1 . 5 national advantage under a just Copyright Bill ? And tid e they, the advocates of intellectual advancement and of se e . s tee improvement, deny to the rising generation the advantages tha t iece s " necessarily arise from works published with a higher design tli t. l 111 to, ing the passing taste of the day—works written without a servile patronage, or any of those unhealthy means of s uccess th at present had too m uc h we i ght ? Why should net author' - 1 , , eV same advantages that a ll ot h er men had ? Why, he would °ewer,: the great names whi c h a d orn our literature deprived of that ence-lisin". meet and protection w el c h h ad been freely afforded to the A r o 0: and the numerous similar names which were an honour to this of try? The Hon. Member for Finsbury had said that this Was' c o eis l " party question. He was happy to think that all parties fe _ ( olea r .; interested. The Whig was as warm an advocate as the Tors* e a; !.; hear.) He would not occupy the time of the Hon. House Vtoteu' was a measure which had been fully discussed, and would, be " • be soon passed into a law. trt niej e Mr. WOLVERLEY ATTWOOD said he would not 'Pa" e himself upon the House, if it did not appear to him that the 'r e io c tis s ", the Hon. Member for Finsbury was totally a failure in its ob:le;ere itiop t"; the Bill. The Honourable Gentleman had spoken ees if it quired to give authors an exclusive privilege in their - l i e s it avers the public, or an unfair advantage over other profesnions • I trosi nc u sought by the Honourable and Learned Gentleman...Aro had i n- r ee e r ; that Bill to enable authors to avail themselves of prat 1. ' 1)11 : erf f _;a bouts of others. That was not the fact. Nothlng could be fa i r- r il egs r " t ei iis import. The object of the Bill was to place authors, W it e a , a erl.„ s 4 , their mental labour, on an equality with every other class of was only required to give them that protection which via' t e - n e sed -- ., n i right. It was not a perpetual copyright system that was Pr ° r" e•ots• e e was a Bill merely to secure to authors a fair interest in theifind to orle r t which the present system denied to them. He was gla d Honourable Gentleman opposite was unable to produce a i . so ceP it : argument against protecting the author than the want ,f e - t , quently their health, as much their own as risked in their works. Were not their time, their ta' -- Pelle be any ri,pertY e 0 311 , 1 defined to be, and was not this, in the eyes of every sensipbrty an , on investment of capital? These were the author s PrOcreofig,, merited at their hands protection. The author bad ',ocie' n 'i claim for the protection of his rights as any man in oi ent v " e and yet he was the only person left now unprotected. The ai r, in the Honourable Member for Finsbury, with regard to one Pe ll- ; it Were hundred, had decidedly the effect of supporting the Bill, for ' t o it acknowledged that literary men had so small a portion Wee''' . neit h e -r t clear the present system worked badly for the antimrs. ' vas e ( Plea supposed, nor even asserted, that there was any inadequa c y vv e ' 4 , -- ; amongst the catalogue of our literary characters ; and yet eurn'; e , mitted by the Honourable Member for Finsbury that so smah - .. te ees • as one in five hundred were successful in obtaining the asly : : goos e :, which they were proposed to be entitled by the Bill before t l „erllsl' e ' Why, then, should those men, the class of the community wituarctioos the largest claims, be deprived of a right in their own r od or fo r ? There had not been a solitary well-founded or solid reason b ee t "ice , ' - 0 ward by the Honourable Member for Finsbury in favour of h :ie t , the subject. Nothing could, upon literature, and, as a necessary consequence, injurious to f i bs py '' r igh ( thuscalculateddepriving solely posterity tvith a or v a i l e l w the t o however, be more injurious in generally, than a system allowing a twenty-eight yea rs c ,,,,ip11 The direct tendency of this would be to produce. 3 be en eri whi'A et: t w a o st r e l" ; arise from works calculated te last a longer period. thoy ltd eione' afford protection to durable works, and st g ich as were not verir te s ould with a view to present taste, it was idle to suppose that autlil eto od'e produce thee). The supply would only be produced by t he • tli and no work of a lasting nature could be looked for, ca least w- ii a rot exceptions. The Hon. Member had said that an author, if he ( ehl i e of receive a promise of sufficient remuneration, mient deprive the , P e ° cor ed acile)!aciatts:gete" er his work, and act the part of the dog in the monger. Notli".g ho Bill to show more clearly the want of sufficient grounds of objection than such an argument. If an author hail acted as had been - - ver:L ir lie bad refused to p u bli s h hi s work without rece i v i n g the ren i er telt Con he tho ug ht i t deserving of, who had a right to depr i ve a irsst control over his own p ro d uct i on ? Why call on biro to publish I.'t d 3 whet! his Wilt ? Wh ere does the right of the public commence ? Is an " ,: t re ,e the work is p u bli s h e d , or wh i le i t is in manuscript ? This right nee fusel to publi s h w ith out proper remuneration was c l ear ly privilege an d cou ld not b e too well protected. Every case q noted or: ,r xe in favour of th e Bill . Th e case o f Dr. Southey was a strong , g whore the present law of co pyri g ht was insufficient to enur ee proper remuneration for his works; totally insufficient with reg : he , gr at the period of their duration. It was o no of th ose ease s which .- went to prove what the advocates of the Bill contended for—ti ee „sea inefficiency of the present unjust system. Upon the last CVO, jllKs.'_Pber this Bill was before the Ho us e, it •hiul been stated by the Ho M e r e. for Bridport that authors were stimulated by sentiment, or lire of 3.4'