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PARLIA;AiNT. LOUSE OF PE4RS; WEDNESDAY, MARCH 14. Lord ERSKINE presented Petitions _from the Debtorsin the different Jails of Surrey and •of Bristol.:—Ordered to lie on - the table. - • Se eras private 13ills ,were, brought-. ,up from the Cowirtons and read a first time. . '. - Lord: Mt iGKavI nreieiited Returns to the Papers moved by Lord Meivllie - -respetting the number of 8,-, t ships of war. etnploy,eu—as c .in the _):Cars_:... 18,U _and...o9.—Ordt red to lie -ou toe table —2 . idj oprn ed, - • . HOUSe, OF .COMMONS . - WEDNESDAY,i MARCH 1.4 t .•. . ,i; 'Leave was given. Zo bring in a. Bill for the better lightingand pav=ing he parish of _in the courts of iNliddleseg,.: - A person from the Office of ,the Commander in Chit presented . a Letter from Colonel ..Gordon.to Mr.-Moore, which had been ordered by-the House. Orderedtobe printed. It was ordered that a Copy- of a. Letter from Sit Lucas Pepys, Physician-Qetteral to the .Artny, to the Secretary at War, dated July 21, be laid before the I-1011,e ' • - ' •• The, Reports of ..the -.Greenland Whale ,fiShery Bil, and the . Sugar Bounty. Bill, :were. agreedto, and the Bfils ordered to be read. a -third• time to-morrOw... , The: Corn Provision.. Bill . .was - "read .a first Cane, and ; ()Ova:4 for a st!concitreakting tp-rnorrow. The c.ustoul- house Fraud'Prevention Bill was - read a third time, and - • ~Mr. As•rt.av ConfEa. presented certain Papers re specting Art i aery ivers, which were laid* on the table * and a: dere& to printed.. .. GAS LIC;fiT Mr. Metkt;tsa litocied the second reading of the GI!, Light . • , • . . Mr. GR ENFIELD Objeaed . to the Bill; - aS 4 givihg to the Company a benefit Albd--610110p0,1t,t0 which they are not eotilled,,..beclus - e ; the , itrventioll, originated many years with some persons at Birmingham.— The Horriiuritile'lerniii: . tiiti4a • that 'instead of 1 41 - my." fbe.Bill be re:l4l.a second tittle '‘‘ -this day Six , •• , ' , • • •. Mr. ntafrrATT : suppvrtea-the Bill as highly be neficial. to . the .xyuntry, ,ioasmuch as we. tto-w are obliged to. procure, tittli - oni, our enemies at. great ex penceh, and this discovery :would enable us to light the nat•on withoui I.leing, - ,4ependent_ on the enemy. On the whole, .he was friendly to discoveries which hAve. i for their dl?jeA nationol benefits; - Mr. Rose, Mr. Giddy, Mr. Ritlinrs.t, Mr. Giles, , James Hail, Alf. Shaw • Le 4 ire„ arid Mr. Adam, tnade some objections; for andfttgarnst the Bill. thequestion .being put, thearnend,oent was nrgativqd with `oura division,. and the Bill' was or dered ,to a priv ate.Cominittee. Mr. HOWARD- moved that an account of all Ex . ernytion granted to Fo,:el7,pers.npon Divi.cfendq, for the last three year 3, &c. bL laid before'the House.— Ordred. • • .. • , - .Mr. WARD moved the second reading of the. M arine MLiiiny Bill ; it -was read accordingly, and or dered to be committed to-morrow. /Ur, C.ALpRAFT postponed. Its notice .respect ing the - Securities of Mr: Bunt until! t.o-morrow fortnight and he also gave. notice .that: be should folLiw up his notice with "a motion respeding COMMITTE`E - OF SUPPLY.-ORDNIAN'CE ESTI'.. .•-• , .MAT115... : 1. • - The House hming, rc,olved itself luto i -.a Com mittee of Suply, Mr; Lush . .tigton ;, i giv-,(,74,ir„. Mr. A. Coorca 'propo , ,ed to votuA i.c estitilatgi for the service of tile ()Hilo:v. e for th,,y piuipglpar,- 7 - The Hon. Gentleman very shortly, witflout preface cr comment, staled, that tile expcidlitire of the Oidnanee (',:partincnt,wouldteless ibis yrar try one million and a hilt than on a coqiparision with the foiruer year., The hatalsorrrwhicil he should propose to vote would: be.3,8_19A-61,31. ior t. e service, of ' United Kingdoms---that upon a reterence it would be . seen that the exalt ditnitiutiOn in the Axpence.would be a total - saving °of 1,49.2, , ..0g1. This saving -arose • .. principally from the - eKtraordinaties for foreign ser vice being reduced 7 -the works going on beingn.eally ' conipleted—a rednclion- in ihe .numbers of, the draught horses, it.behKri.n contemplatiOn to reduce the-number 1500, makipg a saving in -point of ex pence of 60,,p001. _ Q tide; the -lead , Of Ireland there would bea saving of 123,0001, tht) sum' to be voted for fortifications neingless by 170)-00F; 'aud some reduetions inthe oilier ;tams, making the total stun before stated. The Hon. Gentlemati than' moved his first reiolutien. - • _ • : . ~ ' • ''. _, Mr. CALcaArr:_obsirted,. that the Hon. Gentle,-, man had been, very concise 64.1 subject a Stich great magailtijp ;..ix bad ,contented himself with 'merely stating that there would be a saving of nearly a million and a half._ Some txplanatiun, however, was, necessary ,with - respeA. to the _ items, .and he thought that althii4 ro:seliop 'll'4 taken .plate, still there Was nec,'Ssity'fOiforther'rr..duaion, At s the same' tune he was ,free . to confess, that t4e itO. .Galtli-Inpn hag brought the expenditureto . Wit in t 0.0,0001. of the sum when tie iMi„ C.ll.craff). was . .'in office. The I:lon.,,Gentleinau then proceeded to make .soNie . .nbset vhtiOlv "upon 'the items rel*tive to the Unprovided service i and first he noticed the sum of 406 1 )1. for cOmpleting a house in Pall -411 a% for the Secretary to_thi , orcl,nr,nue Board;. this pm, • added-to . 66001,.:.originally, paid, .nia# a; total of . 1 1,0901. and upv-ards, which ht dea,ned:an.e..yra vagant waste-of money in the (Xdrtance . Board, who were very profuse i 0 alloy=. - ,tat t ekto, their.,ofii cersl. ,The OrdnanceS)tlice in Palhmallscist_ the . public -0,0001.; it ,was true that the contract had been carried into effeEt While hu (.i.gr. C.) was in • office, and 15, 3 0c)01.1)ad been paid; but that contra& • . bail= beefs entvred into previonS lei that period. With respect to the:tirdnance, the. es-ritnate had, in creaed storm last' year 6 . 5771. Since 1806, the ex- . pences of that hocl had in - creased from 40,004 to 16,000 I• He wished to ask the Hon. Gentleman whether there is any pension gbreo to any of Lord ~ 'Wellesley's tamily ? He .should 'also. be, glad ~to know whether (as there Wa.,a.sinn called for in the Cinque ports) the works of. DoVer were.complete,-- whether those at Chatham were in - a similar state ? —He saw' that a sum cf 19,0001, .was charged for erecting an -artillery, .hospital at the, latter p i2 l l lt- thea they were aorrea or not, 'l4 - long as that item . 'men that it was desirable that these buildings ahnuld a ,that a sum 'of 5 00 1...,t),1 also elearged for banding-- tallo'nplenntilltWw4o 111 vaTiO•coapinatesf.` u.Wided : be.plight, because. the shOck,• in the ev en t o f a n ex a a powder iTeg - aeit ' e at Vorchesteraend that tnevater- -expel - sees.' The snterity wlfli which the intiaadaion i talatainn, W muchas thereby diminished ; but the ap O te . 1 . mpus sum Pt 1 .' 34 f. ,63 *.was cliareed:•f9r c,,okot4illg - a)(ateatern so atirentel into - tria•eitblia astimates 'had: . naeatua of i eorning-hOuse was very expetisive, how the works at Woelwicti. He wished to ktioa.awhe e,. b ee o treated hy thaerep or ea a t tjei e ln m itance.Comit a 7 ever slight the, buildings might be. Th e Ri g h t H on .' ther any hew work r - were go i n g on ; in, tact, he tee in -.:1797, ought .to have prevented the continua , Gentleman-said, it was necessary also that there wishea,to know how the mo e ey had been applied, e itiree ef...eo ss.aageawhich e miglet evidenily Jae erede_a e. shonld ; he : pore ,mills and corning -houses than were for 0)6 extravagance of , the Board of Ordnance, ` . cloak for the e gr e. eatest abuse, ,Of the eitledation of immediately . that in case of accident- the with- Teep - ecte tn . the 'works and':eqtahlistutieiil ' at • n7uie.accuracy,, lo "Inert he had just 'alluded, he public service nog t not heaitqpreZ by a n interrup . Woolwich, was, not to be eqiiilledint their•ieatraaaee evohldfi'aildfiae•t vvottfatimeasn' the eaae :Was - theiternanliftlaatatihe...anpply..... _Wit b •rgspet-V t'ia* - ‘theitein Un , . a gance, at .Chatham ? . It was a fact, that e waen .0.0.-.: lotaetettapletingatheCtienbeeland,Fprtatfortsrataatha-tter - theageocreLbead e of ."_defence..of :the country," assessors, under the'CominisaiOnerepfTaxes, .assess- stated to be ,a ; 7o7l e as. id. ; th e „otil e r ; :4 - 1 . ) ,,,,..th e r e - ' upon which the pep. Geatleman 114(1 animadverted,' ale ed Officers in the .barracks (or seven or eight p•lirs ef,the-2 11,f eek•ade Fort ,at Gesp e ia ; slated .:e o ae - that iternacoiripiehende4, the ereaion of towers and. *•(4 0 9 1 - ,04,. Such roineteness in castes in which ana bet i teriea ; ph the ceest, an expellee villich was nor to borses, t whieli thay c - cgiaaeritly rased_ .for their ciat-0. - . .-I;',,,,l'hiiller c.::-:lalidi. - aild for other . ptivait".Pe.r- . chraLv • was .ireaLsaiblee, w 33. e biefilye .r a idieuleatta e , - ...- : ;_ . h4 ... ,fLii.c)da , ,ut , l4i-.1 - , .,ay s wirer liaald.. , •' , .l'he es . eeac e afar. o pay . ring thefour est e yetes the 7 "poa --- e ' S, - il - se . 'sa . ficers t'efita -: eal - • for' more than - Ohe ID' ''' I ' I contraa. - horses AlO . c4v , au•- 31. '''- I.4 ..id'"'"' - dreaQ(- 5 - 1 ?-'"' - '• ra'l , d•- - -•L'e=- 1- itialliaensa . _ horse; alletingahat triaaremeeteraa sa; - -::•a.',. +1 . - :- - Ei.,„Ar''..'• . ...-^aLf...R7- . l., e na e n!. ala - ie e lle,' ea •-•.;•,-,... redneed abil; - Yeari7 Mo pe lay s the.rlecpas t ly thet a:e y e:eller li e taping a much the 6 . 0;0061. i larger quantity bf:atlithunition in stole than hereto-. • horses. - This sliewed•thar -something Was iniproper. from - 250,0001. to' a go,0001..;" but of e[Mr. Co' per heir; Whispeted across the table,- thus saVed. 30,6001; averc put on the 'item for ...Jig, tore,- .... ae , that .any officer aaing improperly would be liable to gons, - -certal e tace" -I-lealesdalata-been.erecliblyainfortn- . Nfr e ViAllhaa aepepteel his yOmp - afison het weed • bellied big. a Court-Martial.]:-14r.. Calcraft stilted; ea ; that a report-. had' been niaa.6 - ::tolAie Board o f . the sum pi opo - s a d ~6?.r.• cetholgetielea of, ,the teainin • that an officer etWoolvvich not only used:the-Duni- Orduatice respeelingelieseafontrad horses; so deser- , krelatid and the chiningencies . or the train it G A - e lf . bet ofhprses for the purposes he:had•statedi.trot he ving ofaitientihn . as to call (or the - employment ot _e ~,, Britain. ..;• 1, -... :.. .. , - . els - remade use of nitre or, •ten seldiers ion demestic ver4k.n to inqOireintothe siihjea;but thaa'ndrestat. : A11..,YV.2 l'oca' ,explairreaV Ibis' clrciiinstance, by purposes ; he trusted thil would lead to inelliry. : had been-obtained. The report •Waai that e great statingthat.th!:4lltiugycie . - S tor .Great Britain w eld' He then noticed the establisluirept at Weeden Beek number of theselhorsesa instead cd being.LoatipleXiiii restricted .to the artiliety,.but that tlae, co i n i ng e ncies where some new houses wc:4 .- ; b u ilt much too,e?i- 1 the public, service, wereeanialtaxed'ernelle ferneof the - for Ireland , compredetided thole for all the oth e r : penstve for officers. He then ativeeted 4 . 0 tie cor e § i co.eraelor, ? Cale . \\Tillany and were...a-era, gpaapeo , milkaa...Y.eOrtis.: . •-•..-.. of arilLery drivere, amounting,. as ife starecli .- tphe , ' Wool , a s ich 011 . 1,7 eu.the gays of muster.. : There vv . ita r Mr. W. s '. , 4lTti:e r 24liressect.VlS astonishment at the tween 5 and 6000 horses,. kept-.up ,at ,an liiii'neaiie an iticii in .the estirriwel ter nieci• " Conteageneias : s m o e ht fea wh re ie d h .thia tir there r a \ l v tl .a ie s n o i a ri . e llo ge v i .i ct le e i r a - I N l l .a itl t s' n f i r o %d t .c t o ) : r t : expense, and of no possible use, except in casc or oh the. - Train and other. . Corps in,. Ireland.' - hiVdsiofiyto 'move the artillery - Wi(ligaeater raPidiry. . SOW,' be . 'are ays untlei-siood, that te ... contin?.;en- ' Picious tor i . ,11:e public service in, all th e departments Notwitlkstandlng this,.a sum of 87,0001. was charg- * cies 01 . alll - the .other corps but the Artillery wei e of the GoVerholent, natnel3 , , thait.h6-e . was no su ffi e Oeuteheck - onahe public expenditure._ The public • eel for' cnetrad horses, -when in point, of faaT e those COMpris•ed in the, Army Estimates. In iBOB,. the • artillery • horses - were aelually aroing nothing. It expenae, 'of these contirigeheies• 'svis tavenq e six a always Ra . ad ten, twenty,, or thirty per cent. m o re was ~a.serious. thing 'that •400,000 L should he an thous-ind and'odd pounds ;in . -the , present year it a i l e a r l e P d riv h a e te evi t s id o id a ti ll a s ta i; lls ie nro fu eil i ; th f 's cr lf e . n ,had utubr ije oi werkMen whonf he h a d emp lo ye d en sor n e bui ld; Dually paid fctr the maintenanceof this corps, who was-thirty-three thousand andOd&ponrids, - making r were getting literally so. -fat char ,they „were noi- fit ; an excess of the present above the last year of 7,4081. . for, work.. He also wishert.to hear , - how the SIMI Of ; But that on-Which-he partieularly wished for infore ings of his own, had threatened hin t treat if he .m, : owd .604,0001. voted last year for Vie supply of aeltpetre, ! [nation, was the disparity bet ween• the slim foe these neecemply, with their exorbitant detniindS for wages., had,neen applied. It was, a most .ueiguificentatirants 5 contingencies in Ireland and in Great Britain. The the/ would 11,9 to. Waltham; where th e y cieeld . ,,get 2400; in , *hilt : they pleased',. These things ought to be clOaa r for, artillery deletes in ; !thank e r of Artillerymen for Ireland was ' Thew- wss a. ,auin-of .1.0,000. i.: IY-- Aill°'l6C i l i' tl T i e in n iz for the an (I la -- nrl: 3111 in i : II N c se d ro . olw l' i l e l l e - i . e c n could , Ireland, which -he considered iorge. SUM. Great : Britai n it - was'. 25 . ; .0Q0 ;,-.. the e,cpence of the ,Mi. A. CGOPLR / , irerePlye deciared e that he asked a - contingencies for the fertntr ,WaS 3a,v)v)•:.whjle 1 .44 : irti ( i. ils . ' ll m ttit for nothing more than wh wasat as adequate .fir the for .the latter e evea only b'n„,eppl. ;kt th4s appeate.tal2' a u hlela trod .ouly-on th e g ao t i nc t o f t he Mo st u rg- eiTt Services required, If the, Hon. Gentleman Y Mild ! . that the e xpencp, nf . the coniing t e n n e c p ie Q s n i r i i i n l. g r: D i c a; e d :,... :e ail x d ot 'e ji -x , a ff il eti: 9 e il p t e l e ie esf o lty'. Adverting to the Isrge suit;- . look at the expenditure for the last two. years, he •,. was nearly hall as great as that the -Ordnance Oil ce in Pall-mall, he would see that the uneterided • service amounted to : of above te n ti me s, the numbee of men* ire:Greet Bri7- 'ohserVed,' that ewhere niagelf;ceTlCe-:w 3 s. combined' ! 800,0001. less than when h e (iaa r .- c a l era n) was iii tain. .While on the subjea*of lieland • he would ask with- utility, he would be one of• the list men _to office, therefore the ' Hon, Genalartern: - criuld not Whether the Whole Of . the stuns pr o v i,xd in 04 object l to thedisPOsai of the public money in the .. l s y id ( .)e,gje b i e f to ain tolt nut,at waste nih o o f u,g t , the bpyulil dribblets, in b t fi t e s y , t o able; at w have much, reason to exele • ''' With . respeet to the country lase . yeai- was c o n,Oine:i ? Another p:eettl. l ie 1 . ereatih4.o, - f-..puh:lia buildiogi: , Bui jle, did M o st seri- Ordnance Office in Pall-mall, the opinion' of - Mr. arty in the E s tim a t,-; as they related. to Ireland was, Dusty Wyatt, the surveyor, a 4 taken u p o n the ,expense': that the minifaer of hotses being! rather increased ep :of building a . newotECe,and he sta te d that it would • thah * dirnihiThed, -a smaller- suira ; was neVertheleas , good eff&ihrwrilich was in no way:et:if:Tr - eV:A. '4lp cost- 40,0u01. and could not be completed under two . stated as the estimate "for forag. A'sehieeel*to Which N:ittnanletaf...the.,oraltiance.o.fficestronteSt. Margaret years. _Ar that time the present office, , then the he wished particelarly todired-theattentiVn of tile atae.Let:avieaustifiable on two. groutialsr,.vi,l of it za-t i lse Ii ofe . iiiOn Club, offered, and he (Mr. Cooper) received Commliteeavas, the enormoinstirrifexpendeddviring file itself. was i nconven i ent , eitha tale efno pence: ..i3tft - lp . consen.ting to dial reineva .. instruetiotts from the Earhot, Chatham,, to treat. as the' last •four years in builaing•PoWeler Mills, at Wei- a . .li:a . .c 3 ilefl - was by (inai i ileratiOnsa a tir Ptiblie maget ati . inilh-idual for the purchase of it ; he acc.ordingly than; Abbey a. no Mess than t 00,4681, • , Where was Iheby no did sr), and succeeded iii . making - the purchase:4 the necessity for this enormous expenditure.? .Neie .' tneati-Pleilgetf hirnaelt to give hiS:s a nal i on t o , th e -the creditors of Mr. Gnold, for the sum of 30;000 , ther the:French nor the G.erinana .felt, sueieaa ! „x_ ex-PP,Cl l ll l3 rti Of ,tllepta.si i eeineeey ie the erection of game -as, including the furniture, estimated.at 5000., pence to •he necesseryeeett *Oa ;1 '-well ,kr - 10,\vo .fact aii O VlV ( l).l4 n 4ditig . any other place, :.or. in any other winch titration a, was afterwards .sold by auction. i that they made their you dea in burins,nt eligliabuild- ' moare'*l),6Wever censurable, that might b e p rop o se d. The ben e fit of this perclease consisted principally in ,ites,.tike barns.'; .at ,tie same 'time*: he •certately had. ~ A 21 . 9st.erioahlOna article of expenete in the est e r ia tes its being on Crown land, and 'heady equivalent to heard .that their p.oseder was- inferior ea ours. He. :,. was all 4911 . '19 A' airdi erellinS,L.pre,llotl4e, S a , ~ d OtliZ'el; 1- . - eelead. With respect to the new works, he had did not understand, W'hy, 2 fe„ . ta.ieeeee„, „ i t .,„ eba -quarters tor Veld Offieers, rnilitaiy ~ huildin; iniiVcol ,. to state,. that there were none at Dever, and that buildings in different places, there should be as. -wieli N ard. in the last four yeara thi!4 ainounted the • same . obserVaiion applied to Chatham. The ' ihg 'Sue) stated , under the head Of `=defence of . the to - 4•W4otatile He•he - wished to know wheth e eteeses- Honourable Getatlernan . then enumerated several country:'After .an itkriol-100,0001.. for boildin . g- buikiiii&s, as the word . " i.JyV:ards" appeared to •ime o 4 the items at Woolwich, to sho=w that every atten- • depots, anott=er item appeeted; Wine!) badha-et con- ply, were. proeeedittg on any settied plat) ? If so, Cron - had been paid to . 'ecenolny. Wall reanect to. ;ai iced for 'the_ last • lona - yea - is, 'arida*Whiche dialing it would leave vv ell 'become ifie eaiginal pla t e-er i a l ° the artillerve_lititsea e there were not six a housend that time; tinder - the.. Ireadof " for building- and re- a B cegli . liti the thsanatl) , ;il ni c t :hil iion4; an the sub posittioust . tie Aware that many of them were ne- :which - thia business - .'' 2 - 1 f • ' e 1 ' at . the Q ` lfj " lace was going on ; . . w,ere, as to ptot:ee(.- rom year to v,- - . t :. . •.. -cir twit an un- . cesSarily . sent on foreign se r vic e ; th a t some. were: clear that in' the-next four years founmillions snore - ' .aut b tidied-annual ' expense of :1 te 0001 i He re . now serving in Sicily ; that six hundred were :at e . would be expended in a similar, ronner. He:again ' collected when . the lat juke . • '-' - . --- e of Riehin ' eall - 0 - - it - t ' tacked ti the army` in Poreigel,. eesides others 1 -1.9- . .eApressed the -sense 'wit •1 1 t •-I f tl . i- tttiVi to tite• - . 1 .1 -e s -- e i - a °`..,..._____•• w -u e )-- .. re i • te.eo, art.atocc„o . lerm-, v, I ir - R -- 16 " Val •• -- ..dea Sir .David Baird-ttat ibuo are in Ireland . , -and ! .prop e et e. y of, allo'win 't .- ' .ti ' t - . t - whole coorld ,t h a t ' ' , ,') ' V r) 111 6 aie. g : aeaei rue ite., , teee . ..es tent es : . .y., notvaitheandit'a all tie f - the total number in Great Bittain is only 360. Lis: : , under, the heed ".Unpreeicleel..7 I s et, I Inedeficiency, i forts- of i.GOareirl'ie'llt, when: e - to their being tis;•lesa tae 1-Itati. G.enlatutin must be great 4,, I mail it weat tender athat „ beed-,liiiie the' . eOteeitatitietp.f..tl;6"-iplai, WOnld talc, stions,!hich the know that they are erea!ly use ~..iii exercisiegaild, • next connate. fit 1807.. and li36s, no less 'a sntn '.4 - .l . 64,icaiia th e,„, 6 „,-- r }--,„, cos7'vas s.!ak-i , '. lhe Y u _ .e,. startled, and the ro. training the Drivere-aVitlt ria.peat to the ei•ticle of a than 1,21 i;8781 : . was thus covered itistead4l . lP4ftig -lit . iirati very- wisely. - Saltpetre., in the, present .eirCeinStanceSeof Europe, ! f a i i 4 . ' broughtt'' e d - tale e . ~ „ .y orear to , public", ,, , . ~.,.. 1 tiew . He ..iiith ~,_.,, wince x , .14 very fortunately saVed that ett4P exl by the vole of the pecker it was the••best opinion ef the Board; assisted by trnsied `that this Would he . the la.t instance of SuC l l .- .. alon - 4 4 k. . - • ~, , _ ~ , pne,:ot the fullest Houses that had ever , . ~. ~ persons competent to firm opinions on the suoject, ;''- a. i - i i ii . ..,w e. - . as•tlntbled He . • . was persuaded that if in like man titat•it was expedient 'to keep a supply of ail the 1 '.. Mi : .' 'A: COOPER contendt;,d . that , an iterif tiiidbr Der - th' * , . e expense' ot. the Mariello Tw' . necessary aiticlas of mar, at least for seven.years .Iheli...ad of ". unprOvitled'eXpenc ! ;;S - war preferable - Veeb:s a 1' . ..5• 1-:./ ' ' * • o t' els ,hall. tate jo Le -oti. , ,e in one View II won .. . „.,.- . .. / ley 14. consumption. Wheit.he had propo,ed the Vote of :to a vote of erect . ' t. 4; ' .. . f a tr • ' ii - .. . - ' "A . --- ' ' It, ieeausei in the- ormet, le suin, ave propose, appreprtating that sum' to tl , re iu -6'00,904: for that article' . during . the lash Session, was dist'llaiY ascertained and specified. Adverting . crease of our naval means ' d 1 of e - defence. • Even had thee° was-not more than two years supply on halide . • teen obServat ton:made by. the- Hon. Gentleman who those towers been necessayy, they ~ Might. to have and it was, therefore thotight adallable: to increase ' preceded - the lase Speaker, he repeated - his statement been erected at the stnall the supply,"p - artiCularly• as saltpetre is . not a 13 7 e.riih...: , .thatathe land purchased at WOolvaieil was exorbia e contra! ever how , v<, _ e t a t L 'ex . l . ) , ence pence:. The able cortenodity. , Willis supply none has been exe etantly:dear , - bet- that. the purchase had been render- • well assured Y' th t' '''' aes eh. .', rart., -noire lied b.e . en at... wo of then) mrght have been built pended, and, it. a paid for as delivered in by the East ed indispensable' by the extension of the, arsenal, f •- ~ 'or the price which one - had cost - the- PUblic. - Ali ~India Company. , ... ~, ... ..•' .. . ' which, had very much reduced the 'range of pradke: this evilattributable teas to the absence f '. t et i Mr. CALCR AFT, repeated several of his cornier :He allowed that 'land might have been • obtained ecot . t' - ' -a' • : .°' a " 1 i rout in the various tep4kMelits of the., i41,- StitenieritS resPeairig , the eXpence of - the OrdnanCe ! . Much cheaper • *** ' •'. distance, • but . . , in a greater , the spot ac- ;he .expenditure. Indivitletal and not ‘ hi* bpu lc .e -eoi-fiee ie Pa11, 7 -triall, which alleges her cost 5.1,1271. ! tirally purchased was precisely that which wets the enefit- ' • h ' • • ' • ~. - was tee °baud too fitquentlY co,ieled. Mr. H. SMITH observed, that in the present sittiaL I - most de'sirable 'a 1 . • I' ".. •nd ac.vantageon 9 becurring toter. .J. .. flue, etrnenous expelleeattendant on the erec-, 'Min of the'fitinriceS:of tIV etjuritry the ptiriciple of observaiiOn of th e Hen. Gentle Man who' had Just- - tiOn of laa , ci. .. , • rrackS in the Isle of Nlright was 3n ali „ the Ordnance - as well as of -every other detiartineut i sai &Own; be with. d ' •1 • ' errors • to corre, some. lkli9 i ,,- IttOilill proof of this 1 - 10 1.1. f .. ~ ~, ~ - .. , o ,ori unately there of the Goyernment e ought tp be not ae much-to get which that Hon. Genfidatan had fallen. The Haiti.--was . - a ~._ - scarcely a public iAliCe itt Whish il ' '‘' C. . It._ .pronct ,all Plat was wanted, but. to. do with as little as the a Gehtleman hi his calculation of the contract hoOes pie of abu se ..' • ' • --tied,'' was not adin although the prac paiblin service would poifilbly allow. i Alluding to ' for the last four years,had, .- - 1( - draughta - • * • [ni s ta en the - lice --of le might vot be carried' ' to a great- ex the-enormous expense that hail been lately incurred horses attached -.to th e , artillery, ' for - those cohtrad ' tent. Enough '-- e I took place, - boat even to Mark the at NVeolnaiels-,''he -st4,4a fliat it was ..absolutelythe hotses; and with rei i cthe - • •the . '• •• ' e...t . t0 repoit taut eon- sestena. .He was coliVin d abut . 1 i , , 1 • Jest of the neighbourhood. He cOuidnot uteferstand treat horses were not l emPloved.itt.,the. bi ' • ' ' ' ce 1 tile Pr n -i s a ' slii . pu lc service, : the various public officeS would set themselves, lona why snth an'extraiiagant price had - been there . g.iven "but kept on the-ail-4040t the'Coetraator, he could as- ' fide - • ~ to do.the -public service 1- faithfully rend' ? ' ' . f or, 1R 1 4 . - wi l ic,l l - was not worth a tyveettettPart•Pfthe sure the Horn 1 h. f • ' • roves- .. * expense .. I •••- • . c ' - ` l5 ~.a e nt elllaii. t, at,a ter minute ! little to t ie. Public e s , •bl ' - t - sum that the Public bad paid for it. He had been tigaticea; Sae charge .had. been". proved a whcilly ro g rd.; ; :happy teforM • would •take' ' woe nese e, , the most place.•Tvv,ocoincielent.ad eindueed ta . make tre,se obserVitions,. netonlyafroin ; less. For the a tiae., ' I,. ' • - elaud the same suma was_ - would be' deTired.; the One,• - that the ' • hi4`selisi 7 iif . piablie - ccuty, hilt at -tlie'dire'a instance of ' prop=osed to be voted' a m, ' .was voted test year. • If-tbiS •' seat ex heC . t .- A d • i e , , , x en. e over-a large i.ur-- a Coustituents.. Ordnence .E.,stintates as well should be found nl.lO nine! 't 1 - 6 ' C h . .. '''''' 3, the sure us , kon,d ee Car.; ...ace • the weer, that the Countrywo uld . _ . , , e cheei•fialli ,as. Ad other publi. documents,. were now generally' ; tried Ib'the next yeai's socoutit .Th • ' 'e, Hon.- Gentle- . - submit: to the burdens - 1•• I • ' 1 • ' w MC 1 IleCesiny a one un canvasse l throughout the country, and it bcceme. map had eipaitiated:on. what he termed th ' e.e d x . trava a , posed. e , ~ ~,... mote than: ever necessary, tat every' .Member .of • wince ol: ereaihg vovvder mills cat Wraith - . • am;- td :the. 'Mr, WELLRSLEY 'POIE said,ethat be -per redly the HOuse should' do - his duty on .these subjects: ' Hon.G - 1 -.- II ', - ,tlnc. . - a reed the .H G I • h.. ..,, g, , ; . ,with . , , . ...mi.,. ,ent enein who had. rest sg He 'was.z . sollcitou4 that a greater •controul should eotintry was' with reseed tee:Powder:du ' rine t e down, in all his geeeed Pridelples. No tuan could be established over the various branches of pub; f American war ? "Ile British I po..va er waseat- that be convinced • then he - n 1 I ' ( inlet % of lie expenditure ; for the estimates before, the timeprOverbially 'bad, •hecituse•theGovern .•' • 1 oat a t c -.. ‘ e vas 42 :', ' l -le ' 'r ''' ''-'-..-.: e - - iCommittee afforded ample proof ,of • the possibility:'' lied soled • f l I y or flue sunk y. cpeee .reercha - 1 ` - a' t - 1. ment re'- .• everyma the brad of a-puelie department wateu . ntb, . he , : i g e leih the greetest care over the ex - d*t ' f t oy' i•tyi,ig large aunts, should . such a . confroul take • expediency of having ;q)lycler . made under the::ine th public • t, .- - - -1 ) 1-t1, _Len. o brace. --• , - • •—• • - • • .•** ' •• • ht ' - ,expenditure . i specs ion of a, eiti tc ie.-pertinent etec. been thus ren- ' 5 - w ' ' ' . . ~ a ~ i lieneiver it could be' doie consistentlY . with the -Mr. WARDLE had fiatiared - himself alter What : e ei te m e n ' e - b . a i '' '• "f" ' • - ".• '' - • :;- i. itest. iie nece , siiy o •extenciingthe• pbbltOgool. :He ree'eed ' ' • h4A- been Saidof an intended siVing in tit e Ordnance, establishmehtS Which - a yeins 000 . i f 1, x ~ . . .. . , . ,....0 with atie Hon. Gentle existeu or t tatpur- ;airman.' that h e wi', co•telied 'at- ipr P ' .. :. . . .. ', t ot a million and a halt . , that some such retrenchment • pose;the best' proof thalcoiild ;Tie afforded wa' s, that in !.raeniS made 'ban ' 1 - iii I . ; 11)- e c' ' er • erritthj vionld have appeared in the. Estimates before the 1'8 7 05', soon after LOrd Nelson's aai( . .) . 11, the stock of'• wader 'his' col C Y I . : persee,.. e Ans e eepaiemeet or =House. The .only retrenchment, however , :. which -. poWder in the Was' so low ,that the Oraleance li);fiei .r t - - avid a aou tares ' guilty of the greatest dis-, was proposed in those. 'Estimates, was the using up • had baen-obliged to stop•all sUnelieS . fer foreign, see - : tit I, y ii , . wires 'tin eseraing 'of any place of public et n_eppered . ty „hit that th 4, Hon. Gen of old,Stores ; for as to the redudion of ane of the'- "., 'vice, and as that critical situatiah t . I ,'' • .•• • 1 1 ; 1 I °s. ' • no soul or , s , e( , ternsn had ratherintlelgesi in, a general discussiou -establishments that appeared to he completely out of •ea might, • I •e" - . without •,'' to the tiye State, Of the eipenCe of the Ord • Dof • Ordnance epartment eate e the qtiestipn ;so atuelysn judeed, that many of the - that it . a-nether' extensive aigiaii . had' , ' d '•-;' ' ' 1 . ' "the ensue ,a • years, tian of articularp qua ton then before existing establishments :were considerably increased. , comple=te- ''' • '." ..s...erotty .. of pe7.vdere must' 1194 ' been a fine Cornmtttee. - But there. , were two or three • The •items -of these Estiniatts Were 'made out lain • expetienceth Under . eitese ei••cineata ' s - ••th "I • i - ilt • • ilt - I•d•' • • , . id. . ... .. rice. • e , iys , a a, t. , to by the Hon. , .Gentleman, and .to shillings and pence, with an affected minuteness, : . Board of Ordnance; . .vc nu justly haye deserred l ethi,r,s... aehe - preeeiled - hip, ' aelikh ahe . test himself' and that in several case; where absolute.accuraey •i m • peachinent if they bact - not set - abdtit ' cal'ed uon te • • '- ' prove- ! , . p _ , notice, bccause :they..related to men- was impossibl , :!; but it .would be immaterial to• those ding the • -= ' rr,eans fora more ample and steady sup= ! sures i n which ate w • as-a principal ador and edviser, whose by ! whona these items were calculated, who.:.ply. ' He admitted to the kionoufable. Gentle- ' I I.• held :u- lien ie, the office now se iespedably filled by , •:,- • • '' t