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hal,l Leen fz rnnterl to the Crown for the snppott ‘n l v, H (I solely a fund of t i, i , t , Xl , l n ti n hr to , Ikai,e pruvison Riry .tri.,e,es, lather - caw , to wake se p t t 4 t,. earls pliticttlar case. re spec•ine 41.ich, NoOle Friend, ti at' thsyl - ti to it'll , riotts so, sctpiences, by tn.ilA iitg t zr..nits denend not opoir k,ity principle, bill tavotir or dislike. LivPtirnot..i , iili reference to wit ct h a d Itv the Noble L trtl (.iollantl), tci tt rejection by the ilottse ot Commons imply it:a 1.- sriLTnia, ob , ter‘etl, that' that xvtti not the atlz,nn.,iit of the NOW/. (L a nderdalt•), who w•st•rvert, tin i t,whert applocatiOns ‘vere inade y, • •of several Nleinh•rs of the mil , : ;Ind the propositions were agreed to in one or,;! ri.j,eted in others, that 'lie rtjec tion t: , ere implied a stignia ; and in this lie (Lord . ‘igrPed- tle ae.reed also with the No ble Lord (Laii !er !ale), that the only trite way of viewing cine.. , ions of this nahite was to consider rtf , re:•ce to the abstract quetion of policy, and not with any relation to the morns of ind• , iduals-; for, undoubtedly. no objections a.gainst lite conduct of illustrious individuals of the Royal Fam:ly.ought to weigh, to pre vent the grant of allowance under such circionstances, unless quch obj , •ctions were made the Mound of a fur the'. proceeding. With regard to the (ies tion of the I - 1 , r-ditary Revenues of the Crown, it was uudoulvedly true that they arose out of the grant of Parliament, and were not inherent Crown ; bur with reference to the grants to the Cr“wri. bow stood the question ? lit the tottor4 reigns since the lievolioion, in the reign of Q , -en Anne. of George 1 and George 11 thu 1-lered'tary Revenues vivre granted ti , the Croton, with the piovisio" of illiniMUM, that not less than n certain surn should he apprOpriated to the Crown, !ant without any maximum. The whole increase of these re%ernies, to w::atever amount, plopor pone(' to the increase of the prosperity of the country, being at the absolute disposal of the Crown. _ ant as it at the commencement of the recso , reign ? For the first time the principle of a maximum was adopted, and it was provided 'that the Civil List should . not exceed 800,0001. per a nnum. XViost then was the necessary con sequen.cc ; that the provision made at that time for his Aljesiy, and his h was only then considered just sofficiew, could not be sal:urn' for the ‘vant- of a numerous family, partieulmly when it heraine requisite to make provision for tl , e marriage of different branches of the Royal, and therrtote it became ni-cessary to e',arge these allowances upon the fund to w ich the :\ obi, Lord (Holland) opjlocted, name lv, the Consolidated Fund. Had-idle 1-I . Freditary ft +Times been granted to the Crown at the com mencement:it the ' present reign, as in formerr;i;;os, xjgris, t.ithout the limitation of a maxittzton, they would now hire amounted to neatly 2,00 0001., out of %Oil( provi , ion have been made. for the inartiiges ot . , the different branches of the Royal Family. But it must be obvious, under the ciicum.tam es in which the Crown had been placer), so notch interior to what it had been in former reigns, their was no resource but to charge the additional allowances upon the Consolidated Fund. The Bill was read a third time and passed, as was also the Ditehtss of Comberlames Alnuity ; and the Message To the House of CommonA, notifying the agrt etnent of the bolds to them, was con%eyed thete ny The Lord Chief Baron Ricluads awl Mr. Justice But row. Adjourned till to-morrow (this day). HOUSE OF COM,MONS. Mr. LOCKI-TAILT presented a Petition frotn the City of - Oxford, praying for certain alteration's ill the Hawkers and Pedlars' .let ; a-id that persons should he prevented opening stall • where reguki• trade's reside.—Ordered to lie on the BEER. Mr. LOCKTIART moved for an Account of the Number of Barrels of 'trout; Beer brewed for the lost three years, pre viously to the year 1117, within the li .its of the Board of Excise. the NAttleS of the Brewers, and the quantity brewed by each.—Ordered. GLA'kS. On the motion of Mr. LCSITIN(. - iTON, the Glass Manufac turer,' ill was read a second time. Its committal, in con formity to the wish of Sir M. Ridley, Was postponed until after the holidays, in order to give time to those interested to become acqoainted with ifs provisions. The Report of the Committee on the Sugar Bounty Laws was received, and an amending Bill ordered. The second readin,.; of the Mock Auctions' Bill was post poned until Monday sennight. • The second reading of the Custorni Consolidation Bill was xed for Wednesday next. - BANK NOTE FORGERIES. Mr. CANNING presented a Petition from Liver pool, praying for the adoption of some measures by the Bank of England to secure the public trout the im.jciry sustained by the numerous forgeries of theit Notes. The Right Honourable Member ob served, that the petitioners and community to .whiell they belonged had a very strong claim in futiherance of their object, as Bank of England Notes constituted time circulation of Liverpool and Gen. GASCOYNE pressed the necessity of some measure by the Bank. He had on a former oc casion adverted to the peculiar nature of the notes in circulation in Lartcat•hire. They were princi pally of the yeats 1815 and 1816. He deemed it .expedient that the BaAk should call in these notes, as.the frequent change would have the effect of checking the forgeries. The fear of taking forged notes was likely to set up local banks in this county. Air. J. SMITH took the opportunity of stating, ,in answer to some imputatimts on a f orme r n i g h t against the Solicitors, whom he knew to be most •bonourable men, that prosecutions for forgery .were not instituted at yen. discretion, but in con sew': nee of the decision of a Committee of Bank Directors. i\-ll'. MANNING said, that the neglect lay not With the Bank, but with the holderi of the notes. he Bank had issued various notices in the Ga zet upon the holders of the notes of the .dates ailoi!ed to, either to exchange them for gold or fresh notes. • _ 'General GASCOYI4IE asked, how, in the name of wrq%der, people, having three or four one-pound J - k oieg, %vete to be expected to send them up to the Bank of England tor'gold ? Air. CAN g I . KO did not impute any disinclination to the liAnk to guard, as far as they could, the public froni the evil uow so generally felt and con-. ressed. Iltit he did t1ii , 10113; something ehnnld . • be done for that remote and extensive county, which limited its cmrency to the Bank or Eng land notes exclusively. lo answer to the alleged neglot of the holdcis of the notes of I and 181 G, not forwarding them, he believed that the . ..ciatd of tl•esti notes being rejecter 4 as forgeries, was balanced against the desire of receiving gold or fresh paper. The Petition was ordered to lie on the table, .11111 be printed. - • . ,-• TR A NSUIV.TANTI General TE;;ioN:anoved for leave to bring in Bill to repeal the Acts declaring the htiliet in Transhbstantiat ion to be idolatrous. lie thought that they had no right to revile their looth,r Chrioians for any belief veh , ' , ever, if they hre- Vented them from having a share in the affa rs of State. He stated the grounds Oil which this de claration was enacted, at a time when much danger to the State was apprehended from the Roman Catholics ; but now that the Church and State were secure, he hoped that the :ions would he unanimous in abolishing this unnecessary a '(I abominable declaration. The oath of Fhpre macy sa as a s , tficient test for any one undertaking; sin office, without this oath of abimati n. Mst y might believe in Transubstantiation who did not admit theshpremacy of the Church of Rothe.— The Hon. Gentleman read a vote of thanks which had been passed to hint by some Catholic Meet ing in - Ireland, for his exertions to abolish this de claration, which created a general laugh in the llonse Mr. W. SMITH seconded the motion. • Lord CA.,TLEREAGH had no doubt that the Hon. Gentleman beimglit for %1,-ard this Motion with the very best int, ; but he thonght it could only he done,by previous recomatenda ion of a Com mittee of the wl u [louse. He was averse to making any_ fundamental altcration , in the Test LaNs. This was meeting a vary difficult and embarrassing measure wi'hoitt .he chance of any practical goodtrom it. He therefore moved the previous question. Mr. XV. SMITH entirely agreed, that the pro posed Bill not lead to any practical good ; hot the -discussion on it might produce much be nefit to the cause of the Catholics. Lie could wish to see this oath expunged front the statute-book, because it excited an unfounded prejudice a2.ainst the Catholics. However absurd the beliet its trimsuhstantiation might be, sti,l it ought not to hindur a person from sitting in .that H. , use. the Motion. was then negatii.ed without a di vision. CROWN LANDS. Mr. HITSKISSON;;I)Iain:(IIede to bring in a Bill to ve-t iu his Majtsty certain parts 01 Hai nauit Fi,rest. Mr. BaotionAm complaingd 4 that -in the sale and exchange of Lands, there was a very great diversity in the terms imposed on pur chasers. Soule bad been obliged to pay 25 0r.30 years purchase, and others (among whom was a Cabinet Min ster), were only asked to pay 10 years purchase. He had only been able to find one case of a sale by public corn etition ; 311(1 that purchaser, Mr Corbet, paid 80 years pur chase for a small pie , e of marshy land in Me rionethshire. But he would he able to spew s , orne other stronger cases in the course of the Session. Sir Walter Stirling lad paid 30001. for a Forestall ho, , our, which would cost him beside 18/. 103. a year ; and he. wished 'him joy of such an honour. fie then gave notice that he would, at no very diAant period, call the attention of the House to a purchase of Lord Lonsdale's, of three-fourths of a Lordship - alit! Barony belonging to the Clown, where no man had an oil r but himself As to the Surv.eyot s, their conduct was a mock ery, and no justice could he clone to the pithlic without putting up these lands by public . auction He knew a very wealthy individual, who would ha , e gken three times as much for the Barony as Lord Lonsd,de gave lor it. Mr. HusnlssoN agreed in the general princi ples of the lion. Gen(leman ; but he reprobated the casting. reflections on individuals, without bringing forward specific charges again- t them , Ile agreed that these sales of Crown Lands should 'take place by public aucti.in ; and that had been his practice since he had been in office. But mast of the cases alluded to by the lion. Gentleman were of small fee-farm resits, which would hardly pay for the exltence of auctions, -and therefore 30 years purchase was- deemed ad%antageous to the Public. Ile was convinced that the charge, it brought forward, that a Cabinet Minister had got a bargain which no one else could have got, would turn out to. be unfounded. For the sake of his own clia , •actcr, i.e always recommended to the Treasury to sell the Crown Lands by pub lic auction. . . Sir J. GRAHAM said, the barony of Kendal had been in Lord Lonsdalc's family for 150 years, and at last came to only one life more, when the Commissioners of Crown Lands proposed to Lord Lonsdale to purchase it ; which consisted of small manorial rights of 2d. and 6d. which were not worth collecting. Lord L. appointed no Sur veyor, but gave 40 years purchase for it, when it was only worth half that sum. Mr. liriouGHAN wished to know what Lord Lonsdale had already received by enfranchise ments of this property Sir J. GRAHAM could boldly affirm, that Lord L. had not received 10001. by all the enfranchise meats, and therefore all the clamours against him were unfounded. Leave was then given to bring in. the Bill, an also two similar Bills, respecting Sherwood an Breeknock Forests. ALIENS. Mr. LAMITON rose to move for the Correspond ence between 0115 Government and that of the Netherlands respecting Aliens. - He did this that the Honse might better understand the motives which had induced Ministers to continue the. Alien Bill. Lord CASTLEREAGH said, he had never argued that there was any agreement between this coun try and the •Netherlands on the stibitct of Aliens. He objected to the information sought tor, and denied that Government had exercised the powers of the Alien Bill at the excitement of a.ry foreign. Government. Sir F. BURIATT said, it might be very well of the Noble Loid to say that Goverualeat tad never abused the powers of this 'Bill ; but be - contended that it was an abuse altot:ether. W-ts t wit t o o much to ask for that species of itifounati•in which would throw light on this s object lid slew whether it had been abused or not ? This was. a measure most disgraceful and unconstitutioaal, and contrary to all ancient policy. Mr. ABERCROMBIE said, the very reason why ihe Noble Lord Marl opposed the tn , ttion was the bvst, one in its favour ; for if the Alien Bill had not been twide sub , ervieut to any Foreign Powers, there could be no reason for withholding this in formatiou, unless tee had been interferit.g with the Goternment of the Netlterlands with respect to Aliens. Mr. BENNET supported the motion. Mr. LA MBTON replied. The Noble Lord's ex planation was not satisfactory to him. He did believe that the Noble Lord had joined the Allied Powers, in demanding from the Neherlands and Switzerland the giving up of the proscribed Fienehmen, which spewed a most improper inter ference with the internal atfaos of other coun tries. He asked the Noble Lord if he had not done so at the time of the Treaty of Paris ; but Lord Castlereagh gave no answer. The House then divided— Ayes Noes Majority WATCH AND CLOCK-MAKERS. Mr. P. MoortE rose, purstiant to no•ice, to tnovc for leave to bring in a Bill to relieve the distressed ,Manufacturers of, Watche, and Clocks. its object was to embody in a Bill the sugges tions contained in the Itepert of a Committee of that lions, appointed tn:n(l46re into the merits of their case. Ht- moven for leave to biing in a Bill for the more iffecti illy !seven in; of frauds in the tmoih'acturing, export:l:too, atid importa tion of stindry wares ; and tot the relief of ccrtAin distres,eri M nutacturer , , brought tip to t!,e mule o making Watches Hod l.locks. Ailr ROBINSON said, if the 13 , h which the lion. Member wished to bring in were touinled on th e suggestions coiitaiti ! d to the Report of the c.-in mitiee ahuded to, he dont) ed kihettler it w o ul d not he likely to do more harm ri.an t zood. Leave was , given to bring in the Bill. .. -38 IKiStt POLILE. Sir H. PARNELL I ose 0 move for a Committee to C.•iisider the Peace Preservation Act it iietantl. It was the genetal opinion 01 the lush Magistrates that an alterati o n in this law tAte place. The prinevil el tin was in allowing the Grant Ju ries td appoint Constables in Ireland ; in not giving the Constables sufficient retn..n,ration. was therefore desirable Ilia. the praetn e should be assimilated to that of this count y Pedice ought alsta to be extended in numbers, in order to preVent the necessii y of having It-course to the aid of the military in apprehending ,ffenders. He their moved for a Stlert _Committee to inquire into the LaWs relating to the appointment to the office of Constable in Ireland. • Mr. PEEL was fully impressed with the import ance of this subj. ct ;hut he was afraid it would be quite impossible to effect any good at this late peliA of the 7session.. Neither the necessary re t urns, nor the parole e%idence for understanding the subject, could be procured in sufficient tithe during the present Session. He had no need to give the H aye an assurance that he would attend to this subject, for it hail long occupied his serious thoughts. The Right Hon. Gentleman observed, that the Comity of Longford had been much in debted to Lord Forbes for his active_exertions in preserving the peace. The Act for provid ing _for that pittpose had .been fully adequate to its object—addition Al salaries had been given to the Constables. Two other Acts hail been introduced by him—one the Insurrection Act, for which in its due execution the Govern ment was responsible ; and he could state with satisfaction, that in no one instance had it been deemed expedient to carry it into effect. Nor was it intended, when it expired, which it would shortly do, to move for its continuance.. The other Act watt the Peace - Preservation Act, which the I-lon. Baronet wished to have extended. Now he had brought in a Bill last Session to relieve the districts front one-third of the expense, and in some instances from two-thirds. He objected to the extension of the powers of this Act, because there did not exist any necessity—the enmities being perfectly competent to preserve their own tranquillity. . It would he therefore invidious to burthen them With au additional expense. With re spect to the Police, the Peace Preservation Bill em powered the Magistrates to call in aid ihemilitary in cases of extreme urgency. He did not see that, sup posing it possible to transfer the controul from the Magistracy to the Grand Jury, it would be expe dient at this late period of the Session, nor at tended with any good effect. He theretore should object to the Committee. In the mean time, he would propose to lay a return of the- Salaries of Constables, under the last ACt, before the Hume. Ile wished to state what had been done respect ing the office of Sheriffs in Ireland. He had the authority of the Lord Chancellor of Ireland for saying, that the selection of Sheriffs was the most respectable and unexceptionable. Sir F. FLOOD thanked God and the Right Hon. Gentleman for having preserved the tranquillity of Ireland,.by the two Acts just quoted. Mr. PARNELL supported the motion. He ob served, that the people r of the lower orders in some counties entertained a belief that they were not bound to obey the laws, because they were, as they affirmed, made by the enemies of that coun try. Indeed he thought some of the penalties in flicted were too severe, particularly the punish ment of transportation for a mere breach of the Police Law. A Penitentiary. Establishment would, in his opinion, be more beneficial. Sir H. PARNELL replied, and the motion was Withdraw n PARISH VESTRIES' BILL: On the"third reading of the Parish Vestries' Bill, Mr. CALCRAFT could not avoid stating, --that he had strong objections to the Bill, particularly at curtailing the rights of the lower orders of the inhabitants to vole, merely because some tumulus might occasionally arise at the meetings. , Mr. S. LEFEVRa 11101 also strong doubts in re spect of voting, and objected to the Bill, which deprived the voter of his right ; he thought the old law of the laud should not be departed from, Mr. 6..BounNa defended the 1:411, and observe en that many of the persons alluded to ha d an • terest in being clAmorons, 'for they not quently received relief, and therefore bupporte d au ' propr,ition which had that object in view• Mr. CURO'FN thought the regulation w". create great prejudices throughout the countrf against Vestries generally. It might be ii,mults existed at !hese meetings ; and tvilY/ cause the higher orders did not do their d'htY' Mr. F DovoLAs considered 0174 the Bill vvo" be effective, if Gentlemen would he active in it dcr ing the it duty.. Ile hoped they would not from their duty. He rather thought it %could "to better to re-model the qualification entitling vote. M. BARHAM had sera persons, not (ntitleal vote, contend! that they possessed that right , B , l le , liquidly exclude the respectable inhabitacts. "id was of opinion the Bill was desirable to rcin e(F the evil. trite thag The Bill was then read a third time.— Cla" se was added, exempting the City of - Loudon fr o the operation of the Bill. i 0 Mr. C. BAucLAY proposed a similar C lause ' respect of the Borough of Southwark, which Oti agteed to. Mr. S. LFFPVRE proposed a clause exetrPtilltga; the Borough of Reading, which, however, 11V1 terwards Bill was t::eti pto-'se"" POOR LAWS' AMENDMENT BILL. r , a Mr. S. But , R , 1! moved that the V( , or Amendment Rill should he reid a third time bc Getteral THofiNTON could not let (tic a li te9 l read a third time k•.-it hoot •entering 1)0 P rt ;;; 1 1 tiptinst the clause which charged the l'7 o et with the roor's rates of houses under 20`" annum. The Bill was then rear' bird time 0 41 Some addit , olial clauses were move' gi agreed to. ( Mr. S. DOUGLAS Obi creel to that clause "-i which had th, eti,ct of removing p'ocii . 4. lie thought the Itt')" 4/ " r ft rl “cy !lib; cl +n9. would proi‘nicc ► the YerY `` ° llt effect, by weake,iug thos, feetiogs which 111 ' g source of many pateuts 0 Mr. Alderni;in WooD said. fie ' b,f inte nt-edi move a clause as an amendinctit, plovidin4) t lie children of Dissenters shtmlti not be cool' ) 6 , hal o artf !daces of ip 01 lbe 14 1 ; t 51 00' His)) gi cii . El agtecd with - t he flon • 1 • he denial) who spoke last in his objection " 1 clanse he bad metitioued. 01 1 Mr. STURGES ii ,, VRNE supported the c l°ll , 4e' leig the ground that the removal of 11"f l ' cd parents 114(1 in many canes been found to Pr'''— t h e n p, s i beneficial t e f e : r CuaNEN wAs against the elaose• moval of the ehildien %%iic n ot liLly 1 4 ;10 1 inconsiderate mot rtag-s, or any f "'""0.0' evils for the prLveution of itihit.it it tsar P• totendei. Colonel WooD Supported the clause. Mr. W. LAMBE oppoß,d the clause. °- „01 ground that it was contradictoty to the tel 3°.- the Committee. ore 4 Mr. CALCRAFT and Mr. BROADHURST orti the clause. e re Mr. W. SMITH thought the clause in W I !' I ,„„ t o spects objectionable. lint the good whit"' ; ~,ef calculated to produce preponderated so the defects in it, that he thought it hi s " " support it. The House then 46 For the Clause Against it • MAjority for the Clause ....... • Mr. Alderman Wimp then moved ilk Aite,;(ei ment, enacting, that Chintren s h o uld 14e "" oto to go to Church 0-is Sundays with - their to such place of Worship as they frequen't4. Agreed t I o. f /A1 After a tew verbal amendments, th e - read a third time, and passed ine fil : Mr. HART DAtIES hoped that som e ru-'' ,l Lion would he made to the City of • 'lO ll account of the additional butden w hich th . e l liog would throw upon its inhabitaws, Ly ( 311111 ij 1 /, them to support all the yaw atiN %vivo ter sent throngli that part of the eto 6"I spective connres. . -The CHANCELLOR of the ExCHEQUES 11144:4!,/ aware . that the inhabitants of Bristol "otita claims to such compen,ation, any more Lb ° places to ythich none was granted. t i° The Church Building B II Was read a lb) and pasvd. !*:O l A e Mr. LUSHINGToiI, in the name Of 11's "coo-- Friend (14nrd Castlereagh), postpone d the reacting of the Alien Bill to FrulAy nex t ' P: ? ; The CHANCELLOR of the E x cileatl E , -- o t 1 1 ' notice, that he should move this day Ve t House at its rising do adjourn to next " s ett day. ' 14 °- The other Orders of the Day were then,,:acii. of, and the House adjourned at On e o cc'r 4f31 1 The house of Mr. Harris, of Webber'riibid on Wednesday night. broke open, and- 1." o . ck ister ° a large quantity of boots and s koes, A t ' yesterday morning found at the house o f h jo 6 shoemaker in the neighbourhood, why bought them of the thief. o f RTH: On Wednesday last, in Guilford-street the Ls Mi.?. Henry Hale, of a daughter. 11 04 ' MARRIED. 1 /1) 1te • a f Ol d Yesterday, at Christ-church, surrev, Mr. of Banhside, to Mai ia, daughter of James Gree Af - Falcon Glass-hoive, and Brixton. ~.s q a a ro , j oit Yesterday, at St. George's Church, Honore' John Young, of Southampton-place, elde st !• - s z dal Young, Esq. of-the Isle of Wight, to Miss Das of George Davies, Esq. of Scarborough. DIED. arblai:f On Sunday eveninmlast, at Bath, Alexander " ( ;f LW' General in the French service, one of the Legi°n • 0 1 to Louis the XVIIIth, &C. b flae " On the ad ult. in the 72(1 year of his age, Ja r° . - t ts• *le Myrtle-house, Peckham, one of the Society of Foe" f soli' On the 7th instant - , Archer Moore Barlow, E , 'L' d ° on . di/ street, Finsbury-square, and of Austin -friars, I, ;.. ork te f Yesterday, at his house in Crutched•friars, u' 9 ge Esq. in his 60th year. Le Mercier, On Wednesday evening, the wife o f Thos. of Vauxhall. i fe A' LONDON: Printed hy J. B. CARSTAIRS, of No. 1 - ; VOti Ortnood-street, Queen -square; and puidished 4.' 0 0 m or SCRIPPS, of No. 7, South Molton-street, a t , Of" Office, No, 112., Strand; where Adreitiseroenttf Letters, &c, (pest-paid) must be 34.1dres,scd• ' 4 \ V p A • • "V 1?„ ; 44 'lke .I`ll .~ ~i~ 0 4 , 44 ' fo r • Of .t r ; , f "p , c t 4 o.C ' te4 "°l et/ :~~