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the Noble tool would represent as tlse fairest, and olost likely to be heard in • the e coarts of destitee.e , . The Deice hadin Into denied the charges which she . . hade made; and yet his evertions must give way to. Mrs. Clarke's. The Noble Lord had proceedtd.to defend her ;' but, for his (Mr. Leycester's) part, he wi 'confident, that if she were to have given such testimony on her oath, she would haft met with the merited' punishMent of the pillory. It seemed to him h 4-, a 1 as if she had met with credit proportioned to theian6tion and solemnity den oath. From the ha bit of false charges which she had been discovered to make againstet hers, he could riot at all conceive that nnyeredit Ought to at t ach toiler in the present instance. Out of 10,090 • military promotions, Mrs. Clarke 'could only fix on five, as obtained by her influence with the Commander in Chief. She may posSibly litive disposed , of more in an indire6t manner, but he would assert that it came not withinehe cognizance of his Royal Highness that they were so disposed of. The entire conviction of his mind assured him, that not only no e charge of guilt had been established against the Duke of . York, but it was impossible to do it. From these observations he deduced the ins consistency of an Hon. Gentleman!s amendMent, and of the original address itself. [We are confident of having given but an outline of the Hon. and Leaned Member's acute and lengthened observe- , ; but as the review of evidence and his argu nients upon it were only eimilir in most respe6ts to what had come from lion. Members "in previous stages of the debate, we have forherne from going into a detailed accompaniment of the Honourable and Learned Gent lemen' s Ternaries.] Sir 'l ' . `!. ' titans rose, amid, loud and repeated cries of Question, question. He'said, he wascen scions how qieeetetary it was for him to claim the indelgence. of the House. He. Would give his assurance that he meant not to. take Op , its time on the present occasion unnecessarily. He observed, that, according to 'the 'authority of Judge Black stone, whom he quoted, that as neither the ordi-' nary Magistrates . or the House o 1 dpmmons, had a constitutional right to the punishment of persons holding high official situations, and charged with crimes its thediseharge of them, they should of right be' brought before the other branch of the Legislature. lie observed On the custom Of the roman and Gre cian laws in such cases, that it was not usual to con vitt, except on the previous testimony of persoril Upon oath. If Cato had been exempt tram inch a form, it was because his word alone was equivalent thi -estimation of his country Men to an oath...-. The Address,- which had prpfessedly for its ob ' Sea the displacement of the Commeuder in Chief, be could' luck upon in no other view but as a Milk 'find water one. He, would ask if it were not the o ei se si o f the Addr e ss to,degrade to the lowest sot title the Personage accused ? In Lord Somers's case he, remarked, that the noble LOH bad not been covieied without, an hearing; the seine indulgence was granted, to Lord Melville. But in the case of the Duke of York,, he was sorry to observe, that hiS Royal Highness was deprivedof that which was invariably granted to the meanest subjeer of the realm. If his, privileges were, of a superior advan tage to him, it was but fair that they should in no measure detre6l from whatit was just he should pps sass in common withothers. If the Duke of Ytirk was guilty of the charges imputed 'to hiM, he (Sir T. Tunis') would shudder with horror at the idea of such a 'deprecation as was contained in the letter of his Royal Highness to that House. Rut if, on the other hand, it carne from the , conviaion of in nocence, be would say that letter contained only the , genuine,.effusions of a British spirit. He would ask of Gentlemen what had they got at, the means, of removing the accused from his situation; was it the Arindrvicat of the Hop. Gentleman (Mr. Bankes) 01 that he would say, that it only gilded the handle of the dagger, while the point whdewith the Duke was to be stabbed was evidently plain. He observed that there was a great deal.too truch complication in the entire affair. Too many cooks, he Said, in ge neral spoiled the broth, and he found that 'out of doors the husiness was dressed up by worse nooks than even within. He could nett think that either the original Ad-dress, or the subsequent Amendment. of Mr. Blokes, were adequate to the object which Ote. louse should have in view. The former pos sessed the ferocity of the tiger, and the latter the of the Spaniel. He could not account for the influence which led his Noble Friend ()r.ord Folketone). to vote fer such an Address as the origi, nal one. ,Fie bed been the companion of his solitary . jOut hies through the deserts of Hindustan ; and he was thoroughly convinced of his firmness and man ly spirits The Addreot gently stated What no one had deoied ; why, then, he would; ask, was not, the statement acted .upon in the subsequent part of the Address ? He did not eaticeive. it was 4'air to punish corruption anderegligence Os; Same .Way. In the tnenagement df 410,000 ;tool, and such a sum as t 3,000,000 h some negle6t•May ; have Occur ; but abuses were of quite a different nature horn stegleft 'lt. was not eiglet, hoessid s that' their opi oions should go forth in so ambiguous a matmere.se, The House should come tea decision on' eome one particular point. An Honourable' and Learned Judge early ire the debate, lied insisted Much on legal precedents and jury cases. He would feel inclined to try the case , on a legal principle, and it ha could, not clearly cepnvct the. crone -with 'the. Accused per son, he world disregard the entire.case—(The noureble Baronet proceeded at seine length it, re iewing the evidence given bribe several cases. Ile contendtel, generally, for theeiedibility of that Part of 41ti testimony whieh Was opposed by Hon. Members on the otherside of the House. lits thought it Was ohlair that they should obje6t Idevidence, which, in ...elate oft heir atrusestut ihehey used fotetheir own pur poses.) trirepresent laquirb and theeandid and int , l ee [ 'mintier iii which' it had been tondOoted,woultl, .• in his opio ion, infuse into hepeople the greatest con fidene in their Representatives, The result of that inquiry was Stich, upon his mind,- that unless any other Hon, Gentleman should make a proposition more conformable to the opinions-which he enter weed, hi should •rnove, let an .Amendmedt, the, substitution in the Right ,Honoutable Gentleman's first Resolution, of the word " is," for the word I " no." That Resolution would then .stand, the& : " That nits the opinion of this House, after the 'bast full and 'riot attentive consideration of the aviilence which had beau -adduced, t there is groUnd for cllarging his Key al' 1 lighrlesg the' Puke or York with the knoWleilim of the cot. ruin pl . :tali:es, which had , bee-wpm:tired at.;)10 nuns!, Mr. RYDER said, lie would not unnecessarily de- Cain the House by replying to many of this pi at. . . 'mains alba Right Hon. tArOnet ; al thd 661ii6 titsd he was ieady to allow, that the alteration in the ; Resolution' of his Right Hon. Friend, proposed by that lionaturable Baronet, was much more manly and honourable, and, in his opinion, if adopted, would be -more satisfaaorv, to the country than tho 1; Address proposed by his Right Hon. Friend oppoa site'(Mr. Banker.} He proceeded to an examine s i tion of the evidence that had been brought forward 1 . against the Duke of York, and commencing with that of Mrs. Clarke, contended, that any one of , the objections which ,had been so justly stated to her ;credibility ought, in ' his mind, to induce the House not to listen to her testimony. Taking theM cola k ledively, he maintained, that in a Court of Justice 'it would be the bounden duty of the Judge to tell the Jury, that it was impossible to give credence to :such a witness; nay, further, that it would be his duty to commit her for perjury. ' Adverting next to the testimony oC Miss ' . l l aylor, 'he expressed his decided opinion, that the improbability of that evi- 1 • dence was so great, as entirely to destroy her credi bility. In order to believe Miss Taylor, the House 1 ' must believe that the Doke of York had aded against' t e principle on which, if Mrs. Quite. were to be . believed, he had uttiformly aded, by making Miss Taylor privy to such a transadion a This was at„ great improbability ; and the next improbability was, ' that if Miss Taylor was present at the conversation respecting French's levy, she should never in any other instance, however frequent her visits to ' Gleucester-place, be present at any other conversa tion on a similar subject. To these improbabilities ' were to be added a third; that Miss Taylor, professing accurately to recoiled a conversation which look ' place about four years ago, was yet unable to relate what occurred in a conversation with Mrs. Clarke not more than as many weeks since ! , To prove this, he read a part' of the evidence of Miss ' Taylor, and contended, that if the principles up held by some of the Honourable Gentlemen op. posite; with respell to testimony, were adopted, ' guilt in many instances would be triumphant, and innocence condemned. The conviction of a wits. ne-s in a single falsehood ought, in a considerable degree, if not entirely, to discredit the testimony df that witness in other cases. .• He denied that from the note of the Duke of York, respelling Major To nyn, any unfavourable inference cohld be drawn, 1 when the eentradidion between the date of the Post- I mark on the envelopeof that note, and the appoint ment of Major Tonyn in • the Gazette, was consi dered; and he also denied, that from the mention made by the Duke of, York In oneiof the letters to Mrs. Clarke 'of General Clavering, that inferentle could be drawn which it had been attempted to de- . duce. At the same time he was willing to allow that it 'would have'been more proper had his Royal Highuess, in that letter, reminded 'Mrs. Clarke of , the first conversation, which by her own evidence he had with her' on military subjects. This letter was', however, evidently written with carelessness,. and • by 'tio means deserving the serious charader which had been imputed to it. The conduct of his Royal Highness, both before and since the termina tion of his'conneetion with Mrs. Clarke, had cer tainly been such as to induce the strongest presump tion in his favour. If the Duke had endeavoured to bribe Mrs. Clarke, for the purpose of getting from her the letters which might tend to . Criminate him self and of securing her : silence; if instead of , re dressing the abuses of the army he had increased them ;- if instead of surrounding himself with ho- Pourable men, he had reposed confidence in such individuals as Donovan and Bendel): if, instead ' of demanding the 'fullest inquiry into his condud, he hit 4 shrunk from arty investigation, then indeed it Might have been said that there were 'strong ma : sumptions of 'pis Royal Highness's, guilt ; but when the dired reverse of all these suppositions was tritea. he could not conceive by what sort of revolutionary logic the manly and honourable comlud of his Royal. Highness could be perverted into an evidence of his criminality. He:Wished to hear it accounied for how it happened, that' with all the industry that had been used in the search, aided by that pars on who must be the best informed on the subject, no other Cases of , alleged corruption had been brotight forward than 'those which had been produced ; or how it happened that out of the 50 or 60 letters I rom his Royal +Egli : - 'less, - which Mrs. Clarke said she had in her posses sion, only two could he offered in evidepce, as tend ing to prove the connivance of the Duke of York in lairs; Clarkeia corrupt pradices. , With reaped, to the acquiirnance which- Mrs. Clerke possessed with military subje&a, • that was in, his mind sufßciently, accounted for by the intimacy which* was known to have existed between, Mrs. Clarke and. Mr. Ogilvie, the army agetit, before her connexion With the Duke of York. Acquitting, therefore, as he did, bia Royal Highoess of any partieipation or connivance in, or suspicion of the corrupt prediCes of labs. Clarke, his next consideration would be, what' was the most 'proper step Witte House to take, alteuld they con Cur in that opinion ? Any further proceeding on . their part would be notiudicial, but legislative and ' political. The question they would have before them would be, whether the moral gailt which had been : proved against his Royal Highness ,was, such as ought to induce them to address the,Crown to remove him from his situation. 'On the.best,view that he could take :on rtas stibjea, he thought, that unless the Hoitse felt itself called Upon by the imperative de mand of Justice and duty, they Ought not, .directly or iodirekuy, to tia.;,,! any step tending to retrieve his Royal Highness from office. To the duties of that of-, fiee liia Royal Highness had shewn himself perfectly. cortipetent. Under his auspices the .British army • had flourished beyond all example.. There was one point on which be felt, hithself, in .some degree, 'qualified to speak, and on which, it might, perhaps, be expeCted that lie .should speak, namely, the ad. ministration • of military justice. lie solemnly de clared, that in every Commonicatinn - which, in the discharge of his official ditty he had had with his ' Royal Highness, respeetinga Courts Martial, &c. his Royal Highness had evinced the strongestsoli cituda for the welfare, interests, and charaator of the Army; and that lie was eve r , anxious to administer straight , forward apd'imoartial , justice, without look-,' Mg either to the right or to the left. I-1, .10 also, that ha ahotild not do justice to his predecessors in otliee, if he did 'net state, that the sentiments of , his predecessor in office, en t h is subjea completely corresponded Wit II 1111 OWIL Ile aptake, in the .prea ienceet those whit were among the friends of that predecessor, and who knew his Opinions,. When has predeceaset was , compelled by his ill health to t ?test his,. office ) , he eassured , (Mr. that lie . wou4 etpeiience, considerable satifac- . tion in finding his -,Royal . Highness the- Duke of York to be that which he found ,hint to be. The ex 'Secretions which he had been led to entertain were invariably and completely realized. He called upon the House to look not only at the existing army, but tit those . estatiliShments at Marlow and Wyeombe, by which that - army would be supplied, and be still improved. He called Upon them to look at the Mili tary School establiihed at Chelsea, originally found s ' ed for the: orphans of, soldiers, and the advantages of which had since been extended to the families of Soldiers, who were, fighting in the cause of their country. The number of children educated at this school amounted to 1500; rescued froM poverty anti vice, trained to habits of industry and virtue, and des tined ultimately. to the augmentation of that army in which their fathers bad acted so brave a part. Judgs ing from his own, feelings upon the subject, he could easily conceive,: that in the midst of the pain and anxiety which the present question must Cost . him,..his Royal Highness Would derive the sweetest consolation trom refleding 'on the permanent and extensive establishments Which had been instituted urler his auspices for the benefit of 'the set vice. en trusted to his care. Ile then proceeded to compare the Addresses which had been proposed, and eon , tended, that if the Honourable Baronet's (Sir T. Turton) amendineot was rejeded, which lie con ' ceived it would be, and if the reselotions of his Right Honourable Friend (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) were rejected, which heconceived they would not be, the Address originally proposed would be preferable to the others, •beeause it _ was more manly and more honourable. He .herar read. the Address proposed by .Mr. Bankes, arid; asked what it meant should be obliged to his Right Hon. Friend far an explanation of it. The whole tenor of hisat. Han. Friend's speech had led him to expect that, the conclusion would be very different from what it was. Did his ' Right Hon. Friend acquit the hike of - York of Corruption apd of connivance in corruption, or did he condemn him ? Was it to; go forth to the country,' that the House of Cornmom declared, not hi direct words, it was true, but by r implication, that a high crime and tnisdemeenot had been committed, and yet follow that declaration by no legal punishment ? Was there a - single instance on the Records of Parliament of the. Home of Cont e mons sitting in judgment on spell a gross crime as, that imputed, 'and,supported by Such testimony, ab staining froth: giving any dire& opinion, aye. or .no, on the . guilt or innocence, of the party accused ? Many Hon k . Gentlemen had expressed their hOpe, that the ptaceedings of the House would be satis factory to the.. Country. For his part, if the House should Meet the proceeding recommended by hia Right Hon. Friend (Mr - . Bankes), aware as-he was of the importance to the House of the opinion of; the Public, • mid aware as he was, that unless the .House enjoyed the Public's good opinion,, they could com paratively do liot little good, lie yet hardly knew ,liew to entertain a hope that that ptoceeding Might be satisfadory to the Public; beceteit such a satithetion would betray in the public such a disregard to justice, , and to every thing most dear to Englishmen, as : must ,ultimately tend in an in jury to the Constitution itself. What should he say to his Constituents 'when they asked 'him whether the Dike of York had been vitted oraCquitted ? The charges brought against 'his Royal Highness the Dtike of York, -had been so very clear, that he that run Might req, The diidence was- perfectly intelligible. If the-Hbuse, by inference,. Ibund his Royal Highness guilty; the people would ask why no punishment fotlowed ? It could not be answered ,that his; Royal Highness's ea- MoVal . frOm office was punishment, because 'th e proposed Address,. by his Right Hots Friend, diss tinetly stated, that whether there was ground 'or not for the 'charges that had been made against him, his removal was a prudent and advisable measure. 'the adoption or such a measure, it might be said that the House put the DUkeof Yoi`le in a better • and in 'a worse situation tha n they , would put any other individual. If they conceived him guilty, they would refrain Irene punishing him they other individual; if they me.. ceivecl w hirr li innocent, any cent, they would refrain from pro- claiming that innocence, as they ,would proclaim that of, any other individual. In either ease, they would consign him fis irretrievable infamy without trial. They would be guilty of a double injuistice, first to the individual, next to the Public. What ever, therefore,: might be the Opinion of the House with respect to' the condud of the Duke of York, he trusted they would negative the Address proposed by his Hon. Frieed Opposite. Lord Teeing began by observing, that be had withheld his opinion on this most important sub . jed, until thus late in the debate, because it was pre eisely that kind of question on which it was impossi ble to form ajudgment without the most ample dis mission. It was a question wholly unconneded with party feelings-and party prejudices ; and however at other times he might consider hiaiselt as attached to a 'party, this was an occasion on which he could al :low no party consideration to bias his decision. He confessed that he had , never risen with feelings of sock real anxiety and pain, as those 'by w hich he was then 'oppressed, The eyes of the - country were etedfastly fixed on the House of 'Commons, and the Ote of the. country might eventually depend on `their decision.. The House had not to determine in what family, the right of the CrOwn should be vented - they had not to deterrnine by what Constitution the people would best be governed.; their attachment to the' family in possession of the right of the Crown was', aily increased by 'their increasing Ara-lion fee l the virtuous and venerable 'by whom the throne was ; their attachineut to the exist 'Mg Constilutiotiwas drily increased; by. the - sacri- Aces which they, thetisselves made, and which at their Mitigation the people had made, to main tain it inviolate under circumstances most fatal ,to every, constituted, authority in the world. But the duty which the House had to perform was not' leis important than. those to which he had alluded, els though it ia* a s o re unpleresnot. It. was not to coo sider whether the confidence which had hitherto been plieed in the. Royal Family of the country, should be maintained. unshaken, but whether one in:liVidual of, that family was sot thy, any longerof filisring in that confidence: It . :it Should be deter mined that his Royal Highness's conduCt had proved j hi m unworthy,, therewould still be a choice of ditfi culties. The House would have to decide whether.: thee ‘votild hurt the' feelingi of th i eir Soveregit, by Mating the opinion which they entertained of lot son, or 'whether, by fcirbearing from • such a state rnent,-they Would is rfeit the - confidence e svhich their co'untr'y .reposed in them.-;-That such should be the duty of the iletese of Commonsi must be ' a Sub jed of.. most general.' arier 4 eerio,us regret. Fer ,him self, he most deepleelarbentedii. -- ; ,: -Te would with, satisfaaibn !ewe shed. his blood, drop bY".i.!reele to' have prevented,such a,. necessity ; bit the cup was poured out, and must be drank ; the shaft had flown, and must take its course. He had heard it repeated:- 1y said, - that the House had dealt clic:air!) , with hiS Royal Highness, and that they were prepariug to .ciidemn him without ,trial.' A Noble; Lord, and after him -an Hon.. Gentleman, had asserted, that he was judged in his 'absence. It' lied been alleged, n' that frien the D41 , -.e of York %v as withheld the privi» bel°,9g.ng to the meanest of the King'e stibjealw to hove the evidence brou g ht a gainst , him examined t .onerath. 11 1 ,4 if thes trajection. was taken, it ought - Uet to be tekert in tie present stage of dee busieess ; it c.ught_e6 Lite 'been advanced at the tornMeticee 'meat, whettethese by. whom It was now brought • forwerd. were cautioned on .thC r anhjea,. and Wileh , ' the' thode of preceedhig by, trial or by impeadlirneut was', recommended. It would be too triudi toellow the asserters of thisobjedioleto take the : bentlfit of ' the course .originally adopted- at their suggestion, and then to take the benefit of the objedions that Might be.urged ageinst that course. In the letter-, which his Royal Highness had been advised tp write to the House, but which he (Lord ,Temple) d ly. ree greeted he had writt e n, an d., wKcli h e siecerely eep wished with his Hon. and Learned Friend could be blotted for. ever horn, their recollettion, liiv Ruyan Highness objected to .the evidence against him bee ing received without the sanaion of rue oath ; but ail in the former case, se in this, he 'contended, that his Royal Highness aught., to have macho that ob., jedion at the commencinent of the Inquiry, and that • not having - done so, he had no right to make it at the conclusion. Numerous complaints had been made " of the prejudices that existed on the subjed. . prejudices existed he most willingly allowed. .1 0 some of those prejudices he confessed that he parec i• paced. It was tiatut l al that those who in their own persons, or in their families, had received obligations from the Royal. Duke should, he prejudiced hi his favour. It was 'natural that those who contemplated the benefits that 'had accrued to the army during Ow administration.of his Royal aighnesi (benefits which lie admitted to their fullest extent), shOtild be PN" judiced in his favour. it was natural thateliose wilt) felt as he did at the (Naming of thebusinese,and trier could not . 'believe that the fads then alleged cola possibly be itl his favour. Of such. veils - thee* no man need he substantieted, should be prejudiced ashamed. Unquestionably these were prejlidic ( ' of a different ' description ; prejudices inseparal4o from the publicity of the course 'of proceeding - that had . been leopted in that House ; but the•►s prejudices could not now be urged in bai of judg ment, by - those at whose recommendation that course of proceeding had been preferred. Ho "nil pletely coincided in opinion w i t h t h e R ig ht ifon. Geut. opposite, that it 'was incumbent on thw inl " 64 to come to a specific decision on the question ; and lamented that the charges were not'of 100r 0 cific nature. was much to be regretted that (hot • had; not been produced on the table. , tious against the Duke of Y or k had beee 014, '"n .1 made in the preliminary spe ee l t ' o f t h e Hon,. Gerl te. 7** mare behind him ; evidence had subseqtiently beiea heard'ar the Bar; and out of that evidence the chows had arisen. It was the bounden durvol the Hou6e to determine on all the charges that had been preterrene, Of to 'interfere in military matters, and to make recom .ne°neonstsnlinal)l7'olcoeern,mtbihineognostu'rEccloilBircra:ipw'dtoii't:ili:).lraisPi ifasirlitrlisCl.lia°lll'eg mendations to him to which' he allowed himself to listen. 011 all these accusations it Was the duty of the House to decide. Bet did he therefore thiek , thatehey were to be decided upon in tht; mass ? 'riot they. were 'to be decided upon without distindion?, Certainly not. 'Whether the mode of proceeding by 'Address, or the mode of proceeding by Resoltl', lions, shotild be adopted, he should take good cr'' -before he 'voted to ascertain on which specific chat • he was called upon to vote ; , whether on the cliareee of corruption---on the charge of connivance-e-or "" the charge of permitting Mrs. Clarke to interfere 4 1 ' the official duties of the Commander, in Chief. Th" question, however', now before the House was, l'e c whether these separate charges were to he 4rli al g 37 mated into one, but only wlither they should Jiro" edesiesei:,:endbLytt‘laridttilltrtiethseseldoorirgnr:eleistro;l,3eostfi it was t l o l h ' i o ies r ,t l ,l l: o : ,i p (e) a k; r ilid t ) l o le co :: 11 1 ; most conducive - to the ends of justice. It al)Pe 3re , to him, that the first an d secon d 'resolution of ,t"d Right Hon..Geutleman, if d the senstr of the T3ouse, might neeor lng wi th and 'be conceived, tin such n iOrii be .filb°4iedii t i , 1 a11 1; . : ‘ ll:dtslil be, equally efficient in point of justice to his !toyo r Highness. In voting, however,: for the iiitt,oll.' the Right lidn. Gentleman near him (Mr. Bankes), he begged to be ilistinelly understood, tint , as len(1 11 , 1 . :4 u, iris opinion, that of uC : l e at' r ' ; ;1 1be i it 4 tr At , thesis,,d;t3:3lurl,lll):4-i. oo; . b 1 the ll ; . House oii t : ifi t ti t: l2 li ticipation in corruption,. or of con nivaticepit cori` l , n tan opposite, .He did not thin:: that his 11`));,! tie either li tem, het g ighness t l e l t r e ' ) ee t -e i o d a D n ' t connivance at come:elm., The evidence by. t` hi'! the .chargte, corruptibn, of p ;i riti:ipaiion,in 3 lion, and o f connivance at ctirruption, were el)°:::. ; % c 'o ta u r ld . b . e:Supp t ort i e l e: , se i ` i e e s ‘% t y l a " s - I t ie 9 V;et7o , say came before the House Under every CO of doubt aed.suseicion. She was fielf-accilsed• lire: charatter teas Sett-Ca: Slie had no claim 16,a._ deuce except whatshe eAabiilll by the ni . ot7 . l azd ti c )e ir r c e t rc i n ts e ta tii nc e 7 d s e o e f ii h i c o .r ,i er o eri t u h t..: ; l .l . i i i , c i t 4i er s :x . witnity on the evidence of •Mrs.• Chirke, Jie shs):: : ` i lee very sorry to ctirdpelltd- to make sip mind en`,evitieute of stiell ' doutithai co'q kx " ) oo mid he Could wily ,arrive et et. d il ded ()Rini" .„, Abose points in which Mni. Clv.rke's testitnuny corroburved by that of others. Thee :hie Witt) 5'