The Sun. — London, England, 1809-02-10 00:00:00

Q. Did Colqnel French or Captain !Sanden apply -to .„ i oration made in the levy %—A. I al ways told his Royal Highness what they said, and gave him Colonel French's notes. I was not always aware what was meant by them) his Royal Higm ness NM, 1 believe. _ . . . Q. Dori ,g the levy, was Colonel French to wake a loan to the Commander in Chief ?—A. No. No loan was to be made by Coloml Frpcb, CI Was any loan to hit, made arising ont of, or conneated with fhb levy Colonel French told we, that if hls iktyah Highness would psis his ac counts, which were. carrot, and expelled to have been pa,sed some time belOre; he and his agent would accommodate him with a loan of .50001. on prw-.ot sectinty and leg:t interest. A. ')id .lie speak to.tneConialander in Chief on thif Sitt*et , ?-711, Yes. By Mr.' CROKEH.—HOW ofttn has witness seen :jr, o.,wier since his arrival in Eniand ?—A. Once, and,' be other night when examined here; I have not seen him since. _ Q. Then she has seen him only twice Cei mainly not more. Q. Whether witness has informed Mr. Wardle of the details of this transaction, Colonel French's levy ?—A. Yes,, in some part. In the best part, but not in all that Mr. Dowler has mentioned, as have seen from the papers. I have had no commu nication with him since I was last before the House. I have only seen two men since, Colonel Clive ring who called twice to-day, and another, whose name I shall mention hereafter, and what he came about. Q. tiew long has she been acquainted .with Mr. Dowler 2—A. It is almost useless to ask me, at I have seen the 'newspapers, and may agree with them, Q. Repeated.—A. I do not recoiled; eight, nine, or ten years. Q. Has she not, at various times, received money from him ?—A. Some few times. , Q. Can she recoiled the particulars of any sums ot the amount of the whole ?—A. 1 can speak more particularly to toool.for his situation. Q. Was that the last suns she received from. Mr. Dewier ?—A. No. • Q. Was it the first sum She received from him ? A. I cannot say particularly as to that. Q. Does she owe Mr. Dowler any money ?—A. I never recoiled my debts to ten'tleirien. Repeated.—A. I don't recollect any debt to him. Q. Has she frequently recognized debts to Mr. Dowler, and promised payment ?—A. I only recol once, When tuy,carriages were taken in execu sion, and I had none to go out of-town with, to Weybridge. I sent' to Mr. Dowler to procure one for me, and his Royal flishness would pay him. litt sent me a carriage in two hours ; and his Royal Highness said to me, he would pay him, or recollect him in some way. Q. Did she inform W.powler. of that answer ? —A. Yea, I did. Q. Is she positive of that Quite so. (,),. Will witness recoiled herself ; was not she in the habit of receiving money from Mr. •Dowler, previous to the 0001. for bk appointment perfectly recoiled myself, and recoiled nothhig of the sort. I am equal to answer every thing put to me by this Hon. House. Q. Does she recoiled receiving, a visit from Mr. Corri. on 6th Jan. last I hoe sects Mr. Corti twice lately, I cannot speak as to the precise time. Q. Was it in January It was not long slum WhitQ. other pcir , ons were in her House the first time she saw Mr. Corti I—A. I wrote to Mr. corri to procure rise a box,at the Opera. He called on me on the sullied, and it was so near dinner time I could not help asking him to dine with me, and we then went into the drawing-room. Q. liepealed.-.4. A ybong Gentleman, a relation of tune dined with'us, and some youog, Ladies. Q. Were they the only persons with whom Mr. Corti was in company that night ?—.4. fichne cause in in the course'of the evening. Whu were they ?—A. 1 cannot recolleft. If you will ask use particUlar names, anti bring your question to a point, I will answer it. , Only one • pilsen came in. Q. ,Who wits that one I—A friend. a. W hat was his nail::CA Wardle. Q. Was . he the only person whom Mr. Corri saw that itight•?—A. And . my relation. a. bid she iseeive a second visit from Mr. Corti a short time alter this I—A. Yea, he brought two boys to sing to me. Q. Name all those persons who met'Mr. Corri at her house this time If I do this, net adecent man would come to visit me. A. Repeated I—A, Am I obliged to answer this. Mr. W itAterON—lf any improper questions are pot to you, the Committee will notice it. Mrs. Cr.naxx—But that is not tilt after I have heard them. Mr. WHARTON-..YOU must give a direa answer to the questions put to you. • Mrs. CLARKE-rWithout appealing to you ? Mr. WHAMW—If they are improper, the Com mittee will interfere, and prevent their being put. Mrs, CLAktKli—No one has over done that yet.. (A-great dent of elarttourtitOlt place during these retorts at the t a w who was new ordered ito withdraw . 7 nn Mr. , WituraEA said, that a .general question like that 'put by the Hon. Gentleman might cause the witness to hesitate, without 'meaning any disre speet to the. House. He wished the Chairman there tore to be' intone:led to inform her on her return, that she would be protected in any appeal to lion when any question was put which site conceived it improper to answer. Mr. CitoKea observed, that the. Hon. Geode 'mini seemed to have forgotten that the question had been thrice repeated,and the witness had most ittt properly answered in an evasive manner. He had confined himself to two points, and not .gone L) general questions, and these points seemed very tie mislay from the stress laid by the -House on a for mer evening on the persons present, when Mr. Corti visited Mrs. Clarke, and on the Petition. pore ' rented this evening, which had been cheered front the side where it came from, (Hear, liverheart no, sic)! porn the OppoSitiort side.) , Mr. 7. TurtTorr supported the witness's right to appeal to the Chairman. - Mr. WHARTON said, he would be obliged to the! Committee fur instrodion ; no_objeation had been , made to the question, and he finding iso reason. in his own mind to consider it as improper,had dircded the 1. , neSS to answer it. 1-lir 'now wished ,t o know if site \via to be ordered to do so; at the same -time that he assured her that arty appeal she made would be attended to. - Mr. •WAylncr. wished Mr. Croker to contrive to get his infirmation without hurting the feelings of the witness. Could not he ask it' persons of such and such names were present. He did not wish- to screen one fad, but the witness might be hurt, and not one.point gained by the present general mode. He therefore recommended the other. . , Mr. C . /UW.llle replied, that from the name of on e person being partieWirized the last night, that per son (Mr. Finnerty) . had felt himself aggrieved, -and had petitioned the House. He would not repeat the tittie.ptatlice by mentioning uvues. Mr. FULLER thought the witness right, and would prated . her' in her caution. If she 4nswered this question, the names of married men, and men who had fatnilies, might be divulged; and create great trouble and confusion, . , The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHECWEE thought it . WOO! be necessary to admonish -the witness again to give direa answers; and not to introduce her with an assurance of protection in her appeals, which she. might construe into an approbation of her conduct, which, to say the least of it, was extremely indecent and insulting to the House. • Mr. Wttiott4m said, if the Committee saw any . necessity for the question, the witness of course must answer it. But if there was none except the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Croker) who could see this necessity, the Chairman had only to 'acquaint She witness that her appeals to wouldi be attended. to. There was much justice in an Hun. Gentle. man's remark (Mr. Fuller)' which had been not so much attended to as it deserved. It was not to pro- ted the witness, but to prevent her (rein impli cating others, that the answer could be dispensed with. He urged the Hon. Gentleman to consider if. he could not get the information he wanted by a less general mode of questioning. After some further observations from Mr. Hib bert, the Attorney-General, and Mr. Whitbread . ,, Mr. CHOKER said, he would pursue the course of examination be had begun, as he could, not con ceive it improper to ask the names of persons ex hibited at Mrs. Clatkc's before a music master and his two boys. The. witness being again called in, was informed by the Chair Man that she was to give direa answers, to the questions put to her, and that whenever she found it necessary. to appeal to him, he would affod his protection against every improper question. Mr. ettoKsit's,question repeated ?—A. On which occasion. Q. Not on the fir!t ? She halt tol.l us that Mr. Corri saw nobody but Mr. Watch at that time. 4. It4peate4 .-A. Capt. Thomson, Mr. Wardle, and a Newspaper Man, whose name I can't reeol leOt ; I.had ;ern him twice before ; he answers Mr. Corn', deicription of him, and his name begihs with Mac. el. Was it MacCulturn ?—.A. Yes. (4. Did she present any person to Mr. Corri that evening under a false name ?—A. No. 1 told him that otto a them was a Member, which was very true. Q. Did she not say that the Member was Mr. lhOh ?-4. No. 'That was his mistake. Q. Which of the three persons did she represent as the ?—.A. Mr,' Wkrdle, Q. Dow she recollect in What sums-lam, r,,eived the 10001. frota Mr. Dowler for his place ?—A. Per feCtly well. • Q.. State cool. first, and 8001. when his father came to.town to sell out of the funds.. Q. Was the 9001., 'given her before the appoint ment was obtained ?—A..A few days. (Isy the Caiticat.t.oa oaf the &totianosa.)—The wittith.s has stated she cannot recoiled now long she has been acquainted with. Mr. Dewier, whether eight, nine, or ten years. Can she state whether it is eight orAett ?—A. No, I cannot. Q. Longer than ten 1 don't think .1 have. Q. Did her acquaintance with hint commence *fore she lived in Gloucester-,place Some years.. • CIL Was it before she lived in Tavistock-place ? A.. Yes, Q. Did Ale i'VOT receive money from Mr. 1)owler in Tavistock-place ?—A. No. Q. Did she^ ever, receive - any money before the 2001. #—A. f do not reeollea that 1 did. Q. Did she receive 'auy since?--Once or twice. (1. Did. she, receive the money to pay fur ,the carriv,e, or. did .Mr. Dowler psy fur it ?—A, He paid for it himself. . Q.. Did she receive any other sums frpm him suh segnent to paying for the carriage: and the such Q. Was this before or. after the carriage ?.—A. Before. Q. Were theme the only three instances in which she ever received money from him 1-4.. 1 can't speak to the sums, He has given Inanity 'several times to mrhous.rkeeper when I was distressed, and the Dulie of York did sot pay me, which' 1 have not heard of for weeks after. • Q. Was Dowler in, the habit of seeing her frequently ?--A. Not very. frequently. About the time of Colouel French's levy, he -was very often with toe. Q. Did she .see hint after his examination on Tuesday. night ? , —A. ,Not the last time he was ex, emitted, but before, Q. What passed about his examination thing about. money. He fold a Gentleman, a stranger; that he had been asked many harassing questions,„ and his feelings distressed about his pri vato affairs ; that he would rather.giec every , guinea he was worth, titan be brought before finch apiece Q. Was, this all. 'he said He said he was examined about his private concerns. Q. Did she ask him any questions Nene about his examination. (Ily Lord Fotaorone.)—How long has the witness been acquainted with the Duke of York 1—« , A. Since the year itsCti or 1803, 1 believe . the last, I have been under his protection. Q. Was she acquainted with hini before ?—A. Yes, Q. Had she- an establishment front the year 103 1-4.. No: my establishment commenced itb 4804, in thoucesterrplace. We were at Park-lane . before in a .furaii%lngi house. Q. Had the *itness -an eytabtialtntent ,horses and carriages at Park-1460—A. Only belwttpius' to myself,. What number of carriages had sne in eester-place ?—A. always had two. a: What number of horses? ! —A. Generally about . siic; 40111eljilleS eight. . (1. How many ineh servants ?—A. I Mieve (1. To whom did the house beldug ?—A. the Duke of York. Q. Who paid the expences of the establishment I . 2. I. (/,. What allowance did the witness receive Trot the Duke of York for that purpose t--A. His •Royal Highness promised 20n701. a year, to be paid month ly ; but he sometimes forgot to make good those payments. Q. Was it upon the faith of that promise that the witness entered upon her house at Gloucester place ; or did she expect other means of defraying the expenses attend An t, on her establishment ?- 7 A. His Royal Higlineis did not tell use what he would . give me until I was in the house. Q. When did he promise you 20001. a year A. He began by paying. Haw long did he continue to pay regularly ? A. During almost the whole of the time, with the ex ception, of three months before we separated ; •when never received a guinea, though his Royal High ' ness was with me every day. Q. How was the witness paid, by his Royal . Highness's. hands, or by those of any other person ? .A. His Royal Highness wished me to receive' my payments from Greenwood's; but I declined it, though I should have been more punctually paid. Q. How did the witness receive her money ?•-. A. From the Duke.of York himself. Q. Did she ever receive more than ht the rite of 200tH. a year ?—A. His Royal Highness, if any thing unpleasant happened, whitis was ofteuthe - cesel used to give me something more. Q. Does the witness recolleCt what was the 'total ainoent of the sums which she received trans the Doke of York during her residence in Gloucester place . ?—A. No. • Q. Were the sums which she received adequate to the expence . of the establishment . which she kept up ?—A. 'They were not more Than siltbeient to pay my servants their wages and their liveries: Q. Did the witness state that to the Duke of York ?—A. Many times. Q. What. observations 4ici he make in eQnSe quence ?—.A. After some time his Royal Highness told me, that if I were clever 1 should not ask him for money. Q. When did he say BO ?-4. When he bad con fidence in me. Q. Wes that after the witness had moved from Gloucester-place ?--tA. Not till some time after. 4. Can the witness state the annual expenditure of her establishment. 7—A. No. Q. Pretty nearly ?—A. Not the least. I cannot gu, tess rit it. Q. The witness has said in ,a fornier part of her . examination that at one time she went to Wry bridges Had she a house there 2—A. yes. Q. Was it her's ur the. Duke of York's.. Had she a separate establishment there,. or did she move her servants (WM Gloucester -place to Weyhridge, . and from Weybridge to. Glouceger.pla9e ?—A. I had two footnien and a gardener at Weybridge. I was never there but from Saturday to Monday; and always took fair weii servants there ; sometimes five. Q. Did the motley which the Witness recolttid• from the Duke of York nearly cover the expences or her astablisttrount ?—A. It it had doom so, I should not have been so harassed as'l was during the whole time of my connetlion with his Royal Highness... Q.. Dues the witness know William Withers.?-- A. Yes. Q. What is he ?—A. A Sheriff's Officer. Q. How came the witness acquainted. with him? A. He bad some business witit,me in his own way. Q. Wills that in, eoosequence of the, witness's pe cuniary distresses ?—A. No one' would , ever know a,man of that description, but oti' Such a ground. Q. Did shaeV'er enter into.Oyagrl*Ment with Withers for a participation •in • any of! the stuns of money which she might receive Never; O. Dues the witoess recollect when was the first time that she made application to the Duke of York. for any thing codneAtd . with.army promotions ? A. No ;" it wi:lb afterlf was in GlOucester-place, Q. Were.flie applications ..which the witness had to use her influetice with the Commander in •Citief numerous Very . Q. Were those applications univmally attended to by her?-:-A. Not always. I Mentioned titetn,to his Royal Highness, and he told me which • were , Proper and which were. nut.. I replied to the cations accordingly as from myself.: Q. Did the witness inform H the Duke of Vork of every application which 'she. receWed ?—A. Yes; and none were rejeEted but through his-Royal aigh l ness's means, as I - did not 'know the parties so ap plying, Q. Did the witness, trust to her memory, or did she record these applications . on paper ?—A. When they wese single, I trusted them to my own memo-' ry, and to that of his Royal Highness, which was very good ;• but If there were many of them I gave him the paper. Q. What paper Any memorandum that might have been handed to me. Q. Does the witness tnean a list . 4 appointments ) - Yes. I had once a very long list. Q. Does she recoiled how many names were on it No. Q. Does she remember when that list existed ? A. Not exaElly ; Ft must have been a little time. before Colonel Tucker, who lately died, was made a Major. There were two brother's of them. Q. How does the witness know it was about the time that Colonel 'flicker had been made ti Major ? • His RUYaI Highness had prornised that be should be in the next Saturday's Gazette ,_• but on earning to'dine with me one, day, he told tilt! that Major Tacker had behaved very ill, and that he.had been at Greenwood's. I did-not think his Royal HiglinesS serious, but-nn Inquiry I foUnd it was so. l'site.Weti nil) the list whieb.l. had just Men tioned, 'his Royal flightless said he would . do 'what I wished, but that diem were so many nacres it was .. to der it at nnce, but. he:would da it by tiegiev”i. Ainoog these names was that of Captain Tucker. existence I—A. His Royal Is that list now in Higho , , : s.i took it a'way, with him, am! from that time it has not been in my paseasion ; I saw it some • time after e'a;,:s in his Royal High itess's pucket , book.. (4, Dues not the witness recollea tiny name on the list but that of Captain Tacker'?--A. I be l ieve do; but I would not mention the name of any tram Who- had !behaved well to me von any account. Hi- Itoynl Hiehness did not know the whole of 1110 Wu]; grOn the list. Q. flow were the,pecuniary embarrassments of the witness with Withers relieved ?--eA. By getting two-bills from my mother of 9001. each. I never spolte (00m On military Patters. • . • By Mr. toaKE.—Q. From whom did the wit ness recei‘e the list which she has mentioned A. I think from •Capt. Sankt) or Mr. Donovan, : althOugh:l know that Mr. Donovan is quite prepared t0,(1..ny it. • Q.. Can't slie r e - state possitively from which ?me. A. No. . By Mr.rut,Lian--et - . Jaye any questions been askeclaire witness before she came to the. How e, with an intiniation that similar ones would be asktei her at the Bar ?—A. Never., 0; By ,Sir G. Waattetenek-:-The witness has stated, that she received froth Mr. Dowler sums' of '2OOl. each, and One of 8001. for what consideration were these sums given ?—A. For his appointment. Q. To what appointment does the witness allude? To his appointment in the Commissaiiat. Q. To whom did she apply for that appointment! —A. To his Royal Highness the Duke of York. Q. By whom was it notified to her that the ap pointment was made ?—A. By his Royal Highnel• He told me he had spoken to Mr. Chas. Long, and that it was settled at last. It happened that there was some difference upon this subject. (The indistinEtness with which the witness gave her answers, and the rapidity with which they were read by the short-hand writer at the bar, rendered it difficult for us to coiled her precise mering. far as We could pinler4and it she appeated to us to state, that Mr. Dowler had given to her a list LI seven'te'en Members of the House of Cominons,, whom he 'could induce to vote in lamp' of the 1)e -fence 8 , 11, among whom were General Clavering, Lord John Cametztell, tic. This list she gave to the thike of York, who told her that he had commuai cited it.to Mr. Charles Lring, and that Mr. Charlet Long was highly ciellirted with it. Ultimately , however, it proved, that Mr. Dossier did net suc ceed in his expectation on this subject.) Q. Was' the witness in the habit of she'.ving the Duke of York the leitert of application Which she received ?--A. I,Vhen I received only one 1 showca it, but when I was unsuccessful anti received l epeAm ed applications, I . did not show those to his Royal. -Highness. s . - Q. Did anjeof those letters contain offers of reF t " niaii recompense ?.-=.A. Yes. Q. Did she show ti his [lord Highness the let ters containing-these offers as well as the other let tors ? A. I diti. By Sir J HA1.1.- 4 a. The witness stated ia a for mer examittaticin moat a note had been changed lof het by cue of the Duke of York's servants, hoe' does she - know that it was pot changed by t ) - her own servants? (The same cause which we have aesiened abev e ,'..- rendered Mrs. Clarke t i answers totally unintelligible to us.), . V On the inotiao.of Mr. Wartnest; the taitness ordered to withdraw. • Mr. Wit R 61.8 111t11:0414,11to the e,,oMMittee, th at in coming down to the House t&at afternoon he had snot Me. Pearce, Mrs. Clarkets hillier, in GleuOr a i.' ter-plaee; who told him; that since his i xa miestioa he recolleaed having taken out a note w h o c e a aged* the night before the Duke of York went out town, by the direction of the Duke•of 'Yolk and ,Mrs. Clarke; which Aireaion .was given him in to ' drawing.;room. He (Mr. Wardle) .asked him whY l w m as h , ad th i a io t t he st `a a v t V su b ject tilat to ti d ie ret i i i d a i r t . ll 1.1 1 :70 r - c ac e: 1 5 1 5 7 3111 T d that when he was et the Bar, he wits laboitriag Ut der one of them, by which his memory wa s much impaired at the time.. He (Mr. W.) pm a quettle tl , to Pearce, who'spokeof having changed the note 3L 'seine wine-nierchan6 in Bood-stfeer:' He men tioned this objet to the Conimittee, because he-felt himself placed in a delicate situation with respalw, it, :and he was anxious that .Poarce should be all'e!°l to the Bar, in the course of the proceedings, and re" examined. Mrs. Clarke was then again called in , and It° examti'Ation continued. 441, (By Sir, T. Turrox.)—ln what character , dit i ; the witness represent Mr. Dowler to the Dukti 4 York ?—A. As a Gentleman. Q. As a friend or relatiOn of her own ?—A. Ne" ver as a relation ; as a friend.. Q. In: reeotitmending him to the Doke of York, did the witness mention to his Royal IFghness dice she Wag to receive.any, .and what sum, if he were , appointed to the Commissariat i—A. His nori Highness knee,' was - to have a som. Q. repeated.—A. I cannot einctly say ; but must have told his,Royal Highness. Q. Is she sure of that Quite. Q. Did the witness ever hear Mr. nowlll that he was acquainted with Si . . timke Watson, tl late Cernmisser -General ?—A. No kirther rhs that he ktiew. persons - by. I told the Uttk e York that Mr. Dowler knew Sir Brook,! \WW I little ; his Royal Highness said that wa s the veil 1 y' `• Q. Is the witness sure that Mr. rimiler did To t represent himself to her as having considerabl e terest with Sir Brooke Watson either by . bilnse, if r by his father ?—A. He did not. tell MC that he oto on the contrary, he said that Sir Brooke 'Watson di 4l , hot like him for,his father's way ofVoting. Q. By Loci hART.—Did the witness e t _ veC :, receive a list of namespromotion for promotion from any ouw"• person than from ''Captain- Sandell or Mr. Dan van ?--A'. Neier, except a small list of tw ° three names Which 1 pinned up at the head,of mY bed, and which his Royal Highness took down.' .*?' Q. : From whom did the witness receiim tha t ••••-ti. It appecits by the examinations fit the n 3 r this- HotISO, that:Lhad many porsons• about mu. Cannot exactly roeollea from whoto. I received it; believe I got into very bad hands, or I f.houla 06° have been exposed as Lam-now. Q. Cannot she recoiled - the name of any , fr one t the per:un'; lhout her from whom she roll' ha reeeiVed Nat Ii t A. I haie already Tenti ()l li t Csptaift San,leo am' Mr. Donovan. r. Mgt ti/V, l°— ' lo the Miler Linea in arciorn with Mr. Donoven, in eunverwation, brought many' names re eol. le uiuu. fila Peitis iihe can speak to this ) busioeslo