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, . I;e was acquainted with the characters of the II houses to which the Honourable Gentleman had alluded, and knew the proprietors of them to be persons of respectability and strict late- Sir 11 VV. RIDLEY thought it incumbent On hin►, ds Chairman of the Committee, to bear every testimony in his power to the irreproachability of the eleven houses, on whom so much odium had been undeservedly east. - lie fully agreed with the Hon. Gewlentan who brought up the Report, that - the heaviest penalty, whiclOhe law admitted should hr inflicted on-such persons as were con victed of the rritue of Mixing a poisonous ingre dient with a liquor which constituted so large a share of human food. Mr. BENNET concurred with the Floe. Gentle, man who had just sat down, and he hoped at a future Opportunity that he would beagle to sub mit- to the llou.e some measures, with a view to regidiat r the abuses so justly the object of univer sal complaint. . Alf. -SM IT!! said, that a cry of monopoly bad been-raised against certain respectable Brewing houses, for. no other reason than that they were . enabled, by their ample resources, to treat the public honestly aud justly. The Exci , e had been alluded to ; now he, as one of the Committee, had asked. a witness belonging to that establishment whether they had made any difference in the pe nalty Which was to be inflicted on the - person guilty of n<ing an illegal ingredient only, and the person convicted of using an ingredient that was both illegal and deleterious ; the witness replied, that be was not prepared to answer, but that he . believed there was no distinction made its the pe nalty of each ofEnder. General ToottNroN billy agreed iothe necessity of pUnishing to the utmost extent of the late all persons convicted of illegally using any ingre dient in a species of liquor to which the poor had surfs unlimited access —The Report was ordered to be printed. DUTY ON COALS Mr. LITTLETON wished to Ask an lion. Gentle- . Than opposite what was his i n t en tion r e sv ec ting the measure it.e meant to hringlorward, or wile- - ther be meant to propose a tax on inland Coals equal in amount to what was now levied on Sea Co ? Mr. LamErrobt said, it wig impossible for him to answer those questions at present. He ha,' oily ;:iven notice of a motion for the_ appointment" of a Committee next Session. He should not propose any extension of ti,e Can:d duties. Sir C MoRDAUNT •was helieeed to say that be. sho u ld oppose the motion for.the Committee, Mr. FINLAY presented a Petitiop from Perth, praying for a Reform in the Royal Burghs of Scotland.—Laid on the table. HORRID TREATMENT OF A SLAVE. Sir S. Itoutt.LY alluded to a transaction which, had lately• taken place in the Island of St. Chris topher's, and which wets even more atrocious than the cases to which he had called the at of the House as having °centred at Nevis. It would afford an additional proof of the neces sity of affording . soMe remedy for the mode of ad ministering criminal justice in the %Vest Imlies. it appeared there had been in this case the grossyst injustice committed, and he wished to draw the attention of the House to the facts contained in the papers he held in his hand. There was a plantation called Hutchinson Estate, in the Isl And of St. Christopher, •of. which:a Mr. Moriarty was proprietor, and one Rawlins, a ,Reverend Gentle Man, was the manager: . slave hall r h o away front this estate, but being: retaken, he was the next day flogged, and Chained to • the hack of another slave. In this situation, chained to the other, he was afterwards brought out to work, when he fell down from exhaustion. On this, Rawlins ordered two drivers to flog-liiin severely, and in 3 or 4 days afterwards he died, and was .buried privately the same evening. The circum- StallC?, however, coming to the ears of the Magi trates, they had the body dug up, and ordered a Coroner's Inquest to sit on it ; witnesses and a Doctor were examined ; it was proved that the body was full of contusiotrs from flogging, two of the teeth were knocked out, the. jaw broken, &c. ; and yet, with all this evidence be fore them, the Jury found a verdict of " Dietrby the visitation of God." Rawlins, however, was tried and found guilty of manslaughter, when be was fined 2001. and sentenced to three months' imprisonment; Governor Probin had written home on this subject, in consequence of an order from Lord Bathurst ; but, though he admitted that the circumstance had f used him great un easiness, he had not thought it necessary to send home copies of the depositions takeil before the. Inquest. The Honourable and Learned Gentle man proceeded to comment on the cruelty of this case and the verdict of the Jury, and contended, that Rawlins should either have been found guilty of murder or acquitted. - I-1c concluded with moving fot Copies of the Depositions taken before the Coroner's Inquest above-mentioned. Mr. MAItaYATT abhorred cruelty as much as any roan, but he thought the Hon. and Learned Gentleman was too much in the habit of layittg in4mciise importance on points of very narrow foundation. He had not Mentioned that part of the ii6vernor's letter which stated, that such was the abhorrence in which Ratvlitts's conduct was held, that no person bad since talten any notice of him. Some of the facts had been-exaggerated, for the slave who died had only been flogged once instead of twice, by the order of Itavvlins. There was no evidence of his having been tied down, and no cries of pain or suffering were heard ; and it was distinctly shewn by another slave, that nei ther the maniger nor the owner were present at the punishment, which was inflicted by one of the drivers. It was well known that negroes were apt to complain of being sick when about to be punished. Mr. GOULBURN said a fete -words, which were understood, to contain his acquiescence in the motion. Mr. GRANT reprobated the conduct ofßaWlins, and observed, that there was no dotrbi . , if the charge could have been btought home to him, he would have be<o•hanged. He ',vas undrstood fleny, as on a former evening, that the instru ment of punishment was a cart-tv:ip, Clough co.noton so called in the West Indies. \\'‘ SN!ATH insisted that the instrument was not only so callcil Iu ull the dispatches, but that it actu Illy was a cart-whip. He could introduce the very instrument, and he was quite sure it would excite the feelings of the House. If it had not b en for the information received from pri vate individuals these things would never have been brought to light at all. There had been the grossest barbarities committed, about which, till instigated by individuals, Government had acted with ailbost criminal forbearance. Mr. %ViLBERPORCR made an interesting appeal to the sympathy ot the House, imploring then► to consider that the unfortionme Blacks on the Islands being now recognized as free men were equally entitled to justice and protection as our.. selves. The great misfortune of the Colonies was, that their distance rendered it ditfcult to ohtdill the attention of those in►erected in their welfare. After Bowe comments on the cruelty of the case now brought forwat d, he suggested that the Go vernors.of the Island,, as well as the Judges, should be made independent, in order to place them above all influence or colonial connexion.— He said it appeared, froth communications he had received, that tavola was shewn to this Rawlins even before and after his conviction, and that he lived in jail quite at his ease, receiving friends and giving them entertaiun►ents. After a few words in reply from Sir S. ItommLv, tl►e motion was agreed to. I , ,DUCATION 01." TUE POOR. Mr. BtiottGnasa brought up the Report of the Poor Education Committee.—Laid on the table, Ile said, - the Poor Edneation Biit had been re stored to .something like its original efficacy a 1 d vigour,, and theretore lie would not now oppose the amendment's in it, as' he had at first intrud ed. Still,it was far trout bviug that wholesome Measure whieh it was w h en t h e y sent i t to .t h e other House. The pit was now restricted to inquiriesintoCharities for the Education of the Poor. He was at a loss to know the cause of that, fur the Cowin if tee tou t ol abuses were not confined to such charities alone., Another most important object was, to impeire into the state of the Poor as tl► Education ; but rtrat hadbeen amended by their Lordships,. and he was bound to accept it at the end of the Session, as Ice could not help hirnself. The power, the House - had gisew the •Commissiimers was not only a brid g ed, hot en tirely abrogated; ro.that they had no power to call tor a single person or paper, or to compel their attendance. The [louse might suppose that there would be but few voluntary. witnesses when the Commissioners cattle to make inquiry. These charitable institutions were all anxious for in .quiry, as they pretended ; hut no sooner was a question or two-put . to. them, than it came out that they had taken an oath not to divulge their statutes. Bit he hoped the Commissioners would inform the Committee of that House who they were who refused to give them information, and then the Committee would know how to compel them. Their Lordships had accused them of slovenliness in drawing up this Bill ; but they had at first, instead of eight Commissioners making up tour boards, amended the Bill by making each board consist of three Commissioners, so that two our of the eight Were useless and sinecure Commissioners. At last, their Luirdships, in their wisdOtn, added another Commissioner, making three boards only; by so doing, putting the country to one-eighth more expense, for one third less work lie hoped these .atterapts at arneridtneitt dial "tart indicate a wish to get rid of tie ~ t ileasure altogether. The Honourable Gentleinan had heard many objections to Bilk, such as there .was no penalty clause, atid other objections of that description, which was feasible. 'But here the grand objection was—that in this Bill " there was no hinting clause." This was the first time he had heard it was necessary that hints should be introduced into Bills. He ridiculed the tardy progress with which causes are proceeded en in the Courts of Equity, and said, if hints were of service to the. two Noble and Learned Lords who mainly objected to the Bill, be would give them a few, extracted from evi dence taken before the Committee on the abuses in respect to charitable donations. He read ex tracts from the evidence of several highly respect able persons, who, in a cause of enquiry respect ing a charitable institution, in Westmoreland, had gone into Chancery in 1804, were not yet nnt of it, and were actually ruined. So much for the Court of Chancery! Many of these persons were ruined, not only ruined in health, but in pocket also. He then detailed, from a variety of cases, one which was put down for bearing day by day, during the mouths of January and February ; its each dafjudgment was expected, but delayed, at a great expellee to the Suitor : at length the pa pers in the case were mislaid, and it must again be set down for hearing, But this was not all— for ts then there was such a thing as going into the Master's Office, where another expence was in curred, and then came exceptions to the Master's . report, with an addition of expellee. The Hon. Gentleman here took occasion to conipliment the talents, learning, judgment, and abilities of the Noble Lord who, presides in the Court of Chan cery. He Aid - not complain of that Noble Lord, but of the Court ; the expence of which justified the. satire of Dean Swift, who made ' Gulliver tell his master, the Hooky:tin, that in England a man had been ruined who had gained a Chancery suit with full costs. With respect to the enquiry into abuses in charitable institutions, the House must do its duty ; for-the country was looking to them. Here was no town, city, parish, or hatulet which hard not some chat ity in it; they tequired that the House should make the charities available for the objects for which they were formed ; the poor de manded it, and he Called upon the House to insti tute a Committee of Enquiry next Session, to re medy the defects in the present Bill, and to pro vide means to prevent the Poor from being robbed in friture. Lie then moved an Address to [hi! Prince Regent, to issue a Commission to enquire into the state of the Education of the Poor, and to report from time to dine their enquiries. Lord CasTLEREAG!.I disclaimed (lily intention or wish on the part of Ministers to shrink front en quiry into the state of Charitable Institutions. The Lion. Gentleman must be aware that great difficulties must arise in course of any enquiry. s tar as he could recoll,ct, the last Com:nission was only to enquire into st of Education given to the I'uor. With resp , ,cr_ i the other House, it was not unfair to suppose that they ShCould not he prepared to go the length wl►ich the Hon. Gentleman was disposed to go. He did not think the Ilan. Gentleman had acted very fairly, in tak ing a view of the proceedings in the Court of Chancet•y in the manner in whip!' be had done. It was . ungenerous to degrade and vilify any legal institution. The Commission ) if appointed, would not, in his opinion, have the effect - which the Ponottrable Gentleman hoped ; besides, they must eventually, in sotue cases, come before the Court of Chancery. It would retard rather than adianca the great cause in which the Hon. Gen tleman was engaged, and it world be invidious to run counter to tl►e other House. The Bill would provide, as it now stands, for all neces sary inquiry, as a first step. On the whole, he objected to a multitude of CoMmissions which this motion would erect ; and he thought it would he better to remain content with the Commission already appointed, and the Bills before the [louse, than to destroy the harmonious spit it ,rl►ich exists. These measures concocted, would, in his purview of the case, -satisfy all the reason al►le, :mil indeed fundamental, feat urea of the sob jeer. The country had at least between 40 - and 50.000 charitable institutions, which would oc cupy much (line at this late period of the Session, and therefore he must ohjeet to the motion. tie d.precated the idea of taking any proceeding, its cie plesent temper of the Howie, which might interfere with ally inquiry -going on. The.parti-• cud-+t branch of education alluded to, had been rejected in another p!rice. He then ex pressed his surprise that • the Hon. an►d Learned Gentleman should IlAve retired after submitting his proposal to the House.,---His. Lordsh;p then moved the previous yuei.tiot►. Mr. LitouGutAm (who returned to Lis sent shor't time after Lord Castlereagh noticed his absence) rose to explain. He assured the Ncble Lord, that though he was out of the gallery, be had heard all that he had sail. He was only takinz soar slonents, and no part of the Noble Loid's speech was lost upon him. Sir S. Rom ILLY concurred in thinking, that the COUrt. of Chancery was not an adequate remedy 'for the abuses alluded to, tot tke several reasons which had been stated. Mr. B. BATtatrasT supported the observations of the Noble Lord, and observed, that the lion. and Learned Gentlemen did not, in the first edi tions of his Bill, propoNe to extend the investiga tion to all charitable institutions. Mr. Ewsosr %vithed the measure to be made effective, and should vote against the Bill ,in..-the' disgraceful state in which it now was. Mr. ABERCROMBIE said, the Commission under this Bill would be extremely defective; and the question was, whether it would not, be necessary to extend an inquiry into the educati , in' of the Poor. If the result of the inquiry' , wOultr be the disclosure of the grossest abuseS,: the House would he wanting in its duty it it disappointed the fair expectations of the public in that respect. If such an inquiry was to be gone into., a great saving of expence'wotad take place. Mr. LOCKHART Stopported the motion, and in a powerful anti argumentative speech, . . contended that the inquiry ought note only to-.extend to all charitable institutions whatever, but that it was their duty to arm the Commissioners with such powers for con;;Actii , g it as should leave those connected with charities no chance of escaping the vigilance of that House. • The CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER said, it would he. very irregular to adopt such a mode of proceeding as was recommended by the Hon. and Learned Gen►leman ; and the House had no right of its own authority to do a thing which could only be done by a new Bill. There ce►tainly had not been for many years any inquiry in;o' charitable funds; but the Hon. Gentleman - should recollect; that there never was a time when charities had multiplied so much as the 'present. In a future Session of Parliament he should be ready to follow up the present Bill by a supplementary measure of a more effectual nature, to which the consent of the other House might be obtained ; but such a proceeding as was now called for, would only increase expense, and embarrass the commission. Mr. .1. SMITH was convinced, front being a Member of the Committee, that, unless this 1-lo Use were determined to shot their ears to all inquiry, it was impossible for any body of men, consti tuted as this present Commission is, to do away with abuses in public charitiei. 1-le was instruct ed, on the part of the (Makers, to state, that they were anxious to hate their institutions examined and sure he was, that no honest men, holding charitable • trusts, would object to having their trusts inquired into. F,BURDETT fully coincided with the opi nion of. the Learned Gentleman, and the Honour able Gentleman who spoke last, as to the neces sity of a full inquiry into the subject. lla wished to know what was there improper in such an ad dress to the Crown, as should carry into effect the wishes that had been unanimously expressed by that House,' when it passed a Bill • that was since Mutilated and deprived of every thing bene ficial to the country. And these mutilations were made by a high legal character, who was pro perly the protector of all who had none else to protect them ; and who ought to have-.been the first to defend the poor against those dilapidations of property that had been intended for their use. it was impossible for hint to conceive that that . high legal character could have acted from mo tives which a candid and benevolent ,mind Would suggest to itself. It was revolting to an honour able mind to suppose that a set of Trustees would show any reluctance to give every intormation that might be required of them. An inquiry into such scautlalons abuses should never-be let to go out of that house ; it should be pursued by Committees of that house, and shoold not he left to Commissioners appointed by the Crown. The result of such inquiries had al ways been the incurring of great expence, with out any effectual remedy. As to the Court of Chancery, such wet e the modes of-proceed ing there, that it would be a mere farce for any one to institute an inquiry there respect ing any charities, or to expect • any thing like justice there. Suitors might wait for years, and waste all their substance, and he rained, be fuze they could obtain any thing like justice, al4 j thotigh the law sail , * that justice shoulA oe.' r ' c t delayed to any one; and it was natural "l'lcott that the very learned person who presided en I . ad Court :could resist d proceeding that. 'ven ( i t . o p immediate efrecttlitl correction of all 3‘ol Great numbers Of beneVOlent persons were ►ll- r promoting plans for the eddeation of the and subscribing large sums Nor the porpoie;, °l to it was a gross injustice iii them not to 3 1 ) ? 4 , to their patriotic • objects those fends belonl - ' , 1 0 ,1' charitable donations which were nosy So se' fl d 0 ; Doily abused. He trusted that the Learn ed , — t e denten, who had •devoted a most landableil.:r Lion to this most important question, vrq u '' severe until he finally succeeded in his etiortg• Mr. CANNING justified the conduct of tbe i lA PP in what they had done respecting this tid"i,-, 0 4 the 20th of May the Bill teas sent onto the 13"-e'it of Lords, and they h a d only a fortnight tO-orid°iguld and modify a work that had occupied the Sc!` of Commons during the greater part of . ( b e d 00 sion. Many other important Bids were Se- ei along with that Bill ; and it was not (0 be e k - I)1 peeled that it would be so speedily sent ba-jit. the Lords in the Corm in which they reset gill , They left out some m aerial parts of illf r pe, which they felt it necessary to put off O er S tore discussion ; and unless it would be 49e ; 0 W that the 119 use was to take the whol e ht of legislation: into its oven hands, it was v i ', (2) .'itt ig to impeach the condutt of the other House adopting all that had passed icr that Honser e 4 , 7 9 ing this Was it to be said that the.''telt would never agree to what they had lately Or from and what.. public inconvenience could ariO .for their amendments ? There Was no preteeiad 1 saying that any practical objvct could be I ti ; 1 from presenting an address to the Co` c-f,ltll jorl: e doH.; which, the House would be malcin 6 ,bo l ! sit ides . towards arrogating to itself tb e ir power of the legislation of the country. J . : v it t ; the new theory of Reform, to give such P ° 11. the House of Commons, let it he decleredee once. This was as much as for th e 10 say, that it had a short cut to the Cl" doing which, the power of the other lioos e ‘ - ili f ; be called in question. It was to preveo t chievons conflict of this kind that lie nos °Noe the address. Jr was a proposition to do, ‘ itr e t coercion of one branch of the l e gislJto rc id another, that which another branch had to do. this infringement on the po%v e k r e ) a Lords was made in one instance, it migh t ",to: ' (" in many others. Besides, there was enoog d P i ; copy the attention of Commissioners unti l Ole liament should meet again ; and then th e " I tl ° ! Clause, of the Bill might be revived c‘) ti House. This address would not mill b e stitutional but would he utterly nin:"“ )rj f i tit i the Commissioners would have as 0 1 ° )" to perform as they possibly could attend t° t 'i, fore the next Session of Parliament, withott Is ing additional ditties imposed on thew 1:700 Crown. Ther e was not therefore any tag 0 01‘ ; point of tune, that could justily the M o ose ' l o l f 11, ing such an itiroad on the constitution oil'', country ; to stigmatise the Lords for Otoeral' their' duty ; • and to establish such a di ' h l' i n ec t ' (l , l : precedent. This was the ground of 1 05 In the moths ; and he assured the LCarrt e i 3 0l denten that he was not unfriendly t ° jec: : - . f 11 ,5 dir . . Mr. BIVOUGIIAM re .lied ttt defcnce °' tion ; after which the House divided, w l, )- appeared— For the Motion. . R 9 4 ............ ..to Against it •- 11 6. Another motion proposed by Mr v s° , 4 1 was negatived withont a division. An animated conversation arose asl ° ° r e C:6 :: ?;1 " to' be put sued should the amendments Charity Schools Bill by the Lords be rje ' 7 o % vhich concluded with the deciaratingll i Brougham, that be would rather take Li'eji,lar°:# as amended by the Lords, than nothirig; It! would, at a very eat ly period of the 14 C e f % ol i t ; T sion,. move for the appointment of c . o tr e l, v sinners, and, il - possible, the very sklo' i e d stoners who were to act under thil quire into the abuses of all Public C 1011.00: every where the pour %vete robiked, lo w li pe , places, he feared, under very high palr ul le Cii The amendinenta made by the Lords t .#f city Schools Inquity_Bill were a greed to ; it Ott the motion of Lord c As t, E RE,O to ° ordered that the House at its risitig 5b jaunt till Friday. P ANT H EON TH EATR E. ,itio f1 ;0 11 , re% Sir F. BURDETT said, he had presented 3 111 time back from Mr. Cundy, of the Panthco il ' r essf: o orl i e case was very hard. Ills license had been soVr a ol• r.; Lord Chamberlain Pfter expending 50 or 60/4, tad tr: concern. This he did not think the Chamberilictitto'oo4 to do, as the Pantheon was not within his ittri 9 •40 5 po r admittimr that his patent was only for a year, ► ; O 3 in ve fo Mon of Lord Thurlow, that the town was , and honour to continue it. He would, there° a ro', Committee to inquire into the subject. 13 31.' 0/ 4 Lord. Yarmouth, Lord John Thynne, ith Mr. J. Calvert, opposed the motion. Id I s' t sc °" ' tl ) Mr. P. MOORE hoped the Hon. Barone e d it 0 his motion. The truth as to the losses sustain apd. cern was, that there was so much corapetitio_otrotOW Theatres, that they were all going fast to 4" 00 , F 1 i The Motion was accordingly withdrawn. , o uld 00 0 Sir F. BURDETT gave notice, that he i f yisi bring forward a motion on the subject of N ` e. sti r vention. el ePer The Report of the Select committee on 0 . 1 e 0 0,3 t• was laid upon the table.--Adjourned until J. er 001 ice s COAL MARKET, •Tune 3 ° p r 45 1 ' Ships at Market. Ships sold. 6 J. to s i# , 27 Newr;stie .5. t. 3 Sunderland.— • ..... ••• 3 ' ci>,/ 5i SP' 4 1. MARRIED'. ,ratfe rs d$ 1. 11 4 i f • Yesterday, at St. James's Church, Vranc i9 Ides' of Hall's-place, near Maidstone, to Hai riet, of Henry Martin, Esq. of Sackville-street. cley DIED. t reet , . On Sunday last, at his house, Red Von 1; cad ° well, Mr. Adamson formerly of Air-street', 4' c elb ecl4 (in Saturday last, ' William iiutiloti, Esq• ce. so h aged 53. Yesterday, aged 38, Mr. William Guise St e " et' StOnapleSunn. a"C e"S 7 ( I B o hn ri Wakefield, nday last, at Wakeeld, ringer of Leeds, Yoi Shetliekt, and Will . t e .'O O t °l a few days illness, arising film') an intiaturd l 3 y the i n testines. 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