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MII4 tPI*4 OP EPIDENCE, Tekeit before a Committed of the House of Commons ou the Patronage of the Ea , t ladiv Company. A Letter from Thellusson was read.. • • • GithßE ri G ta ,. oODFORD HEi.LVSSON, ESQ. Mr. Tnivetassoe..---It may be in the recolleCtion of some of the Members'who are here, that I put several questions to Mr. ,- Donovan; there was One particular question which I believe is more to the point: than any ocher, whether be had not heard Mr. Tahourchn mention the name of the Diretior whohad given such patronage. Mr. George Smith made a motion for calling Mr. Tiihourdin to the Bar of the House, and I seconded that motion that he Might be called. On the Friday I went to the India House, not being a DireCtor at present, 'being out by rotation, to inquire of the Chairs what further they would wish me to do in this business; there was a, Secret Court, and I sent in a note to Mr. Parry the Cltait man, stating that I was there waiting his cum: mauls; he sent the Secretary out. to me, told me that Mr. George Smith null the Deputy Chair were gone up to the Treasury to fix a Committee, and that he hoped. - .I would attend in my . seat in the mouse; I came up here, and the House was at . prayers. I' saw Mr. Smith and the Deputy, and Mr. Smith told me that the Deputy was to come to Second his motion ; I was %cry aippy to hear it, as it was in 'much better hands than it could be with me. Mr. Grant took notice in his speech to the }'louse, of a transaction that was going on at the - House under investigation ; it happens that I was the t AirAnn who made the discovery .of 'this abuse of patronage, and I immediately went to the DireCior in whose name it was, and informed him, as web as.the other Gentlemen of the Court: On Saturday, as I had been at my counting-house, I Was returning, and coining through Lombard -street, Millen I was accosted by Mr. Emperor John Alex utter Woodford, who is my first cousin, and trustee under my father's will to all his property ; I was surprised at Mra WOodtord's speaking' to me, as ever since my brother's death be and I have bee 6 on terms of the greateet,:bostility, on account of his treatnient, as I eODCC . Wed, of my brother's family. He'said that he was akundone man, or semething t o th a t etreet ; and I _told him., that,.certainly be must know that he was;in my opinion, for we could tiever Weak more; he then told me he was going to Mr. George Hibbert, who is my brother-in-law, to communicate something to him concerning me; he said; I must see you ; do you dine at home)" I told him " I did not knew, that I did not want to see hiin," he said' " I know yon do dine at hoMe, for I have called at your house, and. I must see-you tosnight at right O'clock ; we must not be seen to gether now." I was surprised ; and he then said, yet? remember - the Writerahip," I told him "yes, I remember three. that I . have given to ,you, and I have seen the. tetern that 1 have met .with 'Or it." He then meotioned Mr. Donovan's name; at that moment I thought I shotild have fallen down. I push ed him away frorn.mei and told him not to speak to me any more, that, I t»ust go directly to the India lloosi-,:and Iran to the India House, and asked for the Chairman and Deputy Chairman. The Chair map was not there; het I Was informed he 41t3:• gone enwn to visit - India Stud, that the Deputy Chairman had' pot been there ; I asked if any . other Direttor was there, and was informed Mr. Mills was 'there; this was about it quarter past one o'clock. I informed Mr. Mills of What had passed, and ask ed him What advice be could give me; lie recent- Inended rue by all means to see the Chairs, but Ito NVOS afraid t hat the Dcptrty might be out of town, sad I told him that sat , Cnairrean was also gone;-.I told him that I certainV would make a poit:t seeing the Chairs it; I went into the-country or where ; I then went to 'Mr. Senith, and comment . Wed the whole'circumstance to half; horn thence I went to Mr. Serjeant'Heywood, who is executor and co-trustee with me under myebrother's, will, to inforom hint of what was passing, as we are fight ing in Chancery Mr. Woodford at this moment ; Mr. Serjeant Heyssood was not at home,' and I went , to my solicitors,' Messrs. Oddie and Formers; from thertee I returned to Mr. Serjeant Haywood's, - .end walked with him to the Deputy Chair's ie Russ bell.senare; ho was not at home; I left my name, end that weuld call again ; I then. went by myself to the: Ch,iirinan's house in Gower-strttet ; he watt not conic home, but was expected home to dinner, Waited at his house till h 4 did come Iton;e, I cu ll _ monicated the cireumsance and he recut)). Mended ate to go to the Deputy Chair's,, as hg thoiaata , tiq ‘, , ,ouid he at •ho.ov I two ; I wen, to the D.:lll,4l6(;itair'*, but he was not returtied ;' I wrote at the aa: ni the note I had left before, to aps polar to be w o h jinn at • eight o'clock, as I was der tetinioLd not to bias Mr. Woodford; and that he Ile'd fixed that lour to . cad .upon the -; I wenehonie, I ea! not , know Mr. Woodford's direetion in town, lea Mri. G. ThAussou told rue-of II; I then wrote tie ,i. rm . (ii s ktellitssou delivered in a letter, and it was r , i'Ltulued at eight o'clock ro Mr. Giant's, and hati era tse an- bones 'conversation with hate Fearing ib it Me. Weadftsid .aright 6till call he es. 'ewent .half U 1401) rite 110 •ent 6, ant staid it.. past ;twelve at ;fliAllt . rit ‘ 'Nr. Serjeaut Heywood's. eadared a chaise 16 be ready for me - early in the monsieg, mid went ttielaplism, but five minutes isetssre l gat. Mt° 14 chaise 'I received this letter.... ,(Mr. hollus . hon , delivered in a letter from ,Mr.. Woodford, ci.bled t l tli February I 800 44 !,) On Satur day night when I returned, I wrote a letter to Mr. ItainS4ll, the Secretary of 'the India Company, .de siring iiirtV to send Me the list of my patronage for *hoe three years: peat, and he sent intethe following lisp. (Mr. Thellussun delivered in a List, ~which - eiaa read *.) The ,Writership for 'Edward James S f i l ithWati given 10 Mr. Woodford direct; - with re. Spei4 to that given tat' Sir Walter James JJamnes, I have not the heeour,of his acqueintance, but Mr; Woodford said It was a young man, with whom he Was partionlarly acquainted ; I. do not, know whether a distant relation of Sir. Waiter James Janie's, whom he wished ttillohlige; and that her was perfedly tooter ;of the Persian language, and that nothing bus, India would do for him. I was very . moth pressed for the nomination, and hid partly' promised it to Mr. Wrey,lnother to Sir Bonrchier Wrcy ; Mr. %Vrey was in town ,about that- time, and told, me i his son was not of age for 'a year and * The Appendix does not give these Pspert, saying, " no, thing trotertiit in these rApersi excupt what is printed in ;lie Repott or in the eyidett4." a half, to be able to go to, college, Ind in corm. queue of Mr. Woodford's pretsing me so earnestly tor the nomination, I. ceded - )t to him. It appears that this Mr. Fry -Magnin. is exttaly the person— that he is peiletily maser of the Persian language, and . was recommended by the Librarian, to the two Chairs, for further preferment,' in . preterence to any pther person. With regard to the next nomina.iion, I believe it is given to i\t,. Greenslade. Mr. Green slade was , my Private Secretary, and,bad. been in the East India Company's service; he bad made spore moneys, with which be intended to retire, but . Mr. Cook, a merchant who failed, deprived him of part of his fortune, and be wished to go out to India again ; he was about eight or ten months too old, ac cording to the regulations of the India Katie. Mr. Woodford told me, that he had; belonging to Mr. Windham or his office, a nomination for Ceylon, that Government Were not so stri6t with regard to the age as the India House, and that it' I would give him (Mr. Woodford) ial Nladra's Writership, he would give Mr. Greenslade his'Ceylon ; he did give Mr. Greenslade his Ceylon, anti I. gave Mr. Wood-. foal .my Madras. WhiCh do you suppose to be the Writership:to lEhichMr, Donavan_reforred in his evidence ?-1 really know nothing more than I have told the Com mittee ; .1' have had no communication Whatever with or from Mr. Woodford. Had these three' appointmentsibe Memorandum (Vide Forth of Dethiation in Report, p. stated M this paper subscribed by you, and ,were the con tent of what you.subscribed true ?,--Precisely so; 1 believe no writer can properly be nominated till that form'is complied with. How long has that farm been required since I have been in the DreNion,. 179 . Previous to Lord Rerelesharn's death, were yoti in the habit of great and frequent communication and great intimacy with Mr. Woridtilrd ? 7 - 7 4 liVed„ with him as my brother . ; we were brought up child ren together; he was burn the 2d of March, and I the 22d ; we. never had been stepamtd till that tilue, but were its the habits of Clesestlntimacy as if we were brothers, and IWO,' till my brother's death, had 1 a word of dispute with Mr, in all my life ; I looked upon Fun as' itiy b, ut r. You never saw Mr. an imal). betort:he came to the Bar of the House of Commons l--Never in my life. Was the. mention of Donovan's name the only al lusion Mr. Woodford made to the sale of the Corn . - mission, whets you met in Lombard-street Woodford asked me, it I recolleaect the Writership, and mentioned Mr. Donovan's name ; it struck me 0,411 w it you asked mu what he soid afterwards, I Could not tell. I met a near relation of mine pals. ing by, my uncle, who had come to town, whodoes not -very often come to town ; I ran on to the India House, and could not speak to him; feared lest he should think I Was really crazy, and I wrote him a letter of apology. The confidence We had in Mr. Woodford, as executor of my father's will, was un bounded. t • EMPEROR JOHN ALEXANDER WOODPORD, ESQ. State to the Committee the circumstances relating to the appointiornt of the Writer, which you weto going to, cortunuoicate to Mr. ihollussur. when you met him in Lombard-street. Mr. Thellusson had at my request given me a Writership. At, what time ?---ti is within tht last eighteen months, bull Cannot exactly Atari., "the limo, which Wtitership I allowed ti be M.-pused of lOra sum of money; and when . I saw that : by some circumstances that tranAaaion was likely to be Made known, '1 thought it my, duty to intOrm Mr. Thellussou how far I was culpable. 'To wlmn was that appointment given, that was fio 6isposed of ?.;-- , To A Mr. Fry IVlagniac j that gen tleman tans since, -I understand, been recommended to.the Court of Dire&ors for promotion, in conse quence of his superior qualifications.. What sum o f money did you receive for this ap pointment ?—Three thousand guineas, I believe, was thestm. From whom did you receive •it ?--I received it through the hands of Mr..Tahourdiu. Did he negociate this appointment with you )—I went to bun, I think, to desire hint to procure some. body to purchase the appointtnent. What was your acquaintanC , : . With 141 r. Tai,our. din P—Mr. Ttlhotirdiu.origitiany wrnte int a great many letters relative to t I pr., ,(ilicsilli dal:rent parts of the Country, utieredlcse -as Trustee for the late Mr. l'hellusson, gone ett:ates in flatly : I wan very desireth of , liatttpShire estates, Find foond'hito to be a liatnpshire-nian Mt. Ta. flourdittia brother ‘va4 curate to tnyuncle, the-late Archdeacon of Winchester. • When did your aegaaintance with Mr. Tahotmlin cominenee think it mutt be nearly three years ago; I cannot state, particularly What is Mt :Tahoitrdin P—A Solicitor. • Dciyou know Mr..ainovan 1 7 .4 ha , e heard and known 604 r. Donov:in by reputati.,in ti,r many years; but:l neverheard'Of or saw thin, or knew of his be ing at all connealed . witli this transaction till I saw it .in the Papers ; had hadany' idea that mocha roan as Mr. Donovarfeould have Been conneeted ith the transatlion; I certainly should riot. • Was any other Fierion known to you in this trans aetien except Mr. TahoUrdin ?—None, Had you any interview with Air. Fry Magnin, or any of his relations cannot speak to - that; but I rather think I saw him once ; I urn uncertain ; I know that I took great pain') to ascertain that he was a proper , person for tb recommendation 3. I sin not quite certain whether I did see him or not, but it is possible. I waslold that he had been bred. up for the appointment, - and that he understood Persian. Did you receive no personal,application , from Mr. Fry Magniac, or any of his relations ?--.None at all. Did you receive - any money for the appointment of Edward James Smith in the season 1806-7 ?-4 did. From whom did you receive that money ?—From Mr. Tahoardill. What was t he sum ?—:-.15001. Had you any acquaintance with Mr. Edward James Smith ?—None. Did you ever see him previous to the appoi4. ment ?--No. Did yr ti treat with any of his relations.or whit him tor that appointmentl.:—Ncter, • . WA :ally other person privy to that tratisatiion, excerting Mr. Tahourdiu ?—Not ouy knowledge, Did you receive any money for the appointment 01 Henry Gardiner ?---Nont.. ', Had you not, a considerable number of year.; ago, a Writership liven yiin by Mr. Thelltiwin ? = —Ycs, L „ had. To whom was 'it given ?-1 really forget the Gen . tle.man's name; there was no pecuniary cansidera tion taken for that, that . 1 know , of; none to my knowledge. When you recommended Mr. Edward Smith to Thellusson,. what reasons did you give tor the reconimendritiOn ?.;....-That I wished very much to oblige Mr. Smith. , , , What claitits did" yoUrepresvut Ir. Smith as 113 V-: ing 111)011 1 your leCOlTltltetidatiOti ?-4 do not reCol lett that 1 rePresented atiy. Either of relationship or friendship 1- 7 f said that he was a person'W hum I wished very much to oblige.. Did you state any coni.e6tion with his family ?-- None. Yon must take . ittto your consideration the siluationin which I. stood in' regard to. Mr. Thellus son, and you will not wonder, perhaps, mat he should be naturally inclined to do whin I wished, without any very minute inquiry into those things ,• he could not, suppose 1 made any improper Use 01 b, however I might have been Lulpable iu so.doing. should have thought caution on his part would have shown a Suspicion that he must hate thought me undeserving, andH hat I should have thought myself in some degree injured. Mr. George Thellusson mid I were the earliest friends, and he could have no rea son till now in supposing I abused his contideuce in any of those transactions. What eircomstani - es led you to conclude that Do-- novan's examination pointed at tins transaaton, ra ther than any. other in which you might !oe been concerned with Tahourdin I—l only guessed that from seeing the name in the newspaper, Tabourditt. I thought, as the names were so nearly alike, it must have been Mr. Tabourdin. Was- Any pecuniary consideration given or pro. mired JOT. any .of ,the C4:letships that you obtained' .from Thellusson 1-.--None that I know of. There was 'cane application that did not succeed ? Yes, that was ,not to Mr. Thellusson, but to Mr. Roberts. What was your inducement for making that ap plication 1-.-=TO obtain it fora young man, a neph,w of a friOnl, of mine, without any..pecuniary concern or retribution whatsoever. Did you make. anyi and what - representations to in duce Mr. Thellusson to appoint Mr. Fry Magniac That it wouldenable me to oblige a particulur:frtend of mine. Did you State who that friend was 1-4 did. , Who was it I—lt Wat a person who was ignorant of the transaction. State his name.—Sir Walter haws. Had Sir Waiter James made any application to you I—No, none. Had he arty knowledge of the transaction I—None 9f my making use of his name. . Did you make any and what representations to in:. duce Mt. Thellusson to accommodate you with an exchange ‘between Mr. Gardner and Mr. Green- Slade >—No 'other titan that it was a matter,ol gteat accommOdation to me. Was Sir Walter James 'known to Mr. Thelluison I cannot say, .but 1 should think not. Had Sir Walter JaMes any interest in the 'success of Mr. Fry Magni.ic ?-4N ,, , none at all. What countryman is Mr. Fry Magniac really Clo not know; I have no knowledge of him i he has been recommended to the Dire Cups tor proteOion in consequence of his acquirements. Pid Mr. Tahonrtlin tirst suggest this mode.of traf tic to you, or did you first suggest it to Mr. Tahotir cn ?».1 wished very much to obtain a seat in Pal e relent,' and in out conyertation relative to Hau3o4 , Or for Mr. Oreenslade's which was in exchange - shire estatei,'T asked Mr. Talidtirdin if he could fur for that ?—None:' ' -:' .. . ward Thy views, Solicitors being, as I midi rstoo I, • , 'Was not ihat.eichange made at your' request by persons likely to do so ; be sai4,that h. thou: bt that Mr. Thellussou ?—certainly it was.. ' , f through East India patronage I might possibly arrive l3id )on receive any benefit froM it ?—None; no, ', at it ; I said, that was a matter that I thought I could I received no benefit from that of Mr. Gardiner i • I command, and I then applied to my, cousin for this Was only going to state,' that though I must stand Writer:ship. culpable for the money received, that .itis in fa& t Did Mr. Tahourdin represent to you , that he WM mine, this would be 'a charge upon me, perhaps. 1 familiar oreenversant with such transa6tioos?-7Mr• believe r -I. had better leave -it as it is, that 1 received Tahourdin said, - that certainly.. in the Course of his the money. ~. ‘- • .. . . . business he very often negotiated seatsin Puha ' Did -you receive no benefit of any kind'whatever meat, or interests of that kind; I cannot state ex • from the transalion respecting Mr. Gardiner and dly the amount of - what - he Said. ... Mr.•Greenslade ?—No. . ' ' ' ' I refer to the Sale- 'of placei and offices.--No , I Had you no expeastioti of any kind from that have no reason to think he was, previous to Otis transsEtion ? lam to have the gift of a living, to conversation; I haetbad, no knowledge of him 10 hays the disposal of a living; 'some months hence, in this kind of way before. the West of England. • . •' At whit time did the first conversation paq3 bpon Who is to put You into Poisassion of that.living ?, this subjeti ?-- [ should 4 think about two years ag o ; —Mr. Tahourdini t • • 'I am not prepared to stat e exaolly, but * little time .. What living is that?--I' do not know at 311: it is before Mr. Smith's appeintnient or ,inv i applitition one that he will probably Obtain for me. to Mr. Thellussoti forhim ; it Most,hAve been.pro - What is the value of that living stipulated to be? bably the beginning of 1806,. about two years ago. —4.l4'roin 2001. to 3001..1 year. Were any of thoseAhree transaCtionsaind the filo . Ilave,you a n y security fo rt at ?-4None. ney received in. consequence, .cionneded with the ir . Nry written document ?— , None whatever. ' • view of obtaining • a -seat in Parliament ?"'-!" they No memorandum ?--N6ne. turned out, #9ti6; ' • ' I.l:ive yoii, staticient confidence in the integrity of Was .ibi.iakt of them dire6letl-tosvards obtain- Mr.Tahourditt to rest a "transaction of that kind en- Mg a seat-in, Paillament•erigioally ?--' l -No• .. . tirely tii.On his recolledinti awl honour ?-7Certainly,,,' t ,IrY,l)at then, led you, in the first I.ll:l%,:tever seen any thing in him that should.at.all into this sortpftratlie with Nit - . Taboordin ?—When mike. nte doubt it; I: considered all theSe transac-: ' _ l , had obtained- this nornittatinn,'' Mr. T 3 !wn,rdi n, Lions :is tranSaaions of honour; - .l l d took no g ecn .; ' whatever his 'views tOr me, which he did in)t 4 t"tti not city for their being cattiea into effed,: - . • ,to me, we,re s ,ttproted , to Think ,that th ey we 7 1 Is that living to be at your disliogal for the purpose 1 likely to succeed ; the:cooVers'atipn was excee tug y of sale ?- 7 .No. di jastanee, to enter . : loose nothing-of a specific nature was tnentione , . . What is the deStitrition of that living ?—I intend v "'Was ifebe-a t try s iqutr i - or •thr tren•-prat'aitatiOn to it for ri cousin of mine, Mr. Siwrrar. ' This gentle- a living, you ;were to .hones-.-The' tet t p resents- Into does not , know any thing in the world of the ': ti o n, . , : ...- . transact ion, . . you' - ,with Mr.' , i , obt % a V i n h e e d n , : was not in it a ta ti be vacant ? tTle l r t e w w a a s s one t d o ire b c l Havehad any wiser transa&ions e Tahourdin, from which you derived any Pecuniary ; negoeiatiOn tor the Hying ; it was said;' in' the cowl adVantage, .or expectation of Advantage, in -conse ! of so many months you Mr., ThelltetsOn certainly for.it None. ' nor indire_alY of those transactions,; and, from my h al_t k obtain iu,w neitherte a ciliirveiangi quence of appointments in the India House ?—; .Did Mr. e rhellugson, at the, recommendation of ' knowledge of him, Lam perfed eite ly vinCed that, yourself, appoint any Cadets at any time 1.---I.believe had 'be known of t h em, h e wuut d have put a .01 0 1 3 several. . . ; to them. I think it highly incumbent upon the to Who were they ?.....-I :do not remlle& at this time, i state that. Do you recollect none of them ?—I think there is a Mr. Budd, that ranee recommended to him. Do you, recolltkt any other names ?—Not just now : I` have asked them of him for many persons who had applied for :them, without proper consi deration. , . , , Have you at any time obtainedany Writership or Cadetship from any other Director ?—No,.e that I know of. I applied to Mr."Bobaris for an appoint ment some little time ago, but it never has been car ried into toteention. Alft. OA,BRIEL TAIIOURDIN. I,V o od- How long have you kuuwo Mr Emperor I ford ?-!—About 'thre - e years. What was the occasion of your first acquaintance with him I—l made. an application to ' him teepee' ing the sale of several estates, understimding,:that 24 executor under Mr. Thellosson's will, lie had con siderable sums of money ai his disposal. • Upon what occasion did you first know that he had any ; command of India Patronage ?—tu conse quence of this atiplication .we find frequent coMOR 3- nications, and in the course of c.nversarion th' t j among other siikjectit was tot•ntioncil ,Mr. W . I'd' ford asked,Me ° ll I had in the course of proresaton any Parliamentary interest everotfereci, which g‘o rise to questions relating to Writerstiip. 1 (oaf Oto ut, 1 1; that rt o i iD g ie h a l t .3 o ccur, 1 yw )a oh j uicii i a g n e a d: l h to e i t i e li x at rn p ° : ' r i a!e: u Wi ' s : with 4. c t 1) t c. " 'e* ` )1 " 1)13 into , Partiornent hiMself or some Ion"' c ltis r lecva with regard to a se.at in Pat liamen ; pusal of Indian patr o 'n' ase ?—1 arbsetrom hint. • . . IRecollea yourself', and givens accurate as you con upon that. point I—Whether mentioned • it first or be, Ido not know. can take upon myself to say p os itively that beA,..,.:ve it t!aitie from Woodford. e •an ocCounAt Upon what occasion had)nu'first any iransa~gion acawt 100, anti the coz)sersation which pissed, wli d has just been stat ed , I saw Mr. Woodtorti and . he asked use if any thing 'old . oc;:urred selative to Parliamentary interest, re!erring to ttti conversation which had taken place 'befor'e ;, my ,tut we r wa.; no In conseeeoce of which' Mr. Woodford de.sired i , would dopose of the Writership. " • At what time was tibiS think it was witty 16, the year 1807 ! „_ Did Iv, tell you that he had a Writership:at his ciispusal at that time ?--He told m e h e could cunt' in3NlVldhoatn-en.egriciation took place, : on your. yrt, with 'Mr. Woodford in consegnethe al. this ?—Uilder.' standing from Mr. Woodtord•that it .gas his wish 1° have the Writership di sposed of, I made inquiries among my friends, and I found a person who W as desirous to take it. Who was that person ?--The dentleman who named the person to me was Mr. Witnbouro. Where does he live Chancery lane. . What I. he At Roney. 'Who, did he name to you ?t- . .1 4 it Withedl!lat I boa; give the name of the Gentleman WO" the situation, or that of his friend. Both ?—ffet. did _not lova. smer the, name Gentleman,. is 3n,. h h e is ga n v a e m m e e),thlzinr.amLefijoiitg-taiisofflp 11)r ,tiaia. place. What led you to apply to • Mr. Witni)Or n lap SV l)e e n re ed y a o c i c i :i rn ell t i l a i l e iy h a a s n i it il :f t c h o im in . mnniolt in g Mr. Wimbonnt upon subteds of ibis kind F-- , Nu ilr. Had you ever any other' tra t is a ttioute e WI zibouro for the disposal of any office Wow led you . to mention the circonlitimee Wiinbooni ?—• , Merely, as I stated bet Ore, Accident ally in ovversii ion. Were yi..n in the 'habit of m entioning, if gol.e" to alt Attornies Whom 'you conversed with was not. 7-rt111.114':47:11aitZmi:11:1"Liii111:1r::g:Ir71.11::;• !ruI;;IY6 the"appoiniment. Did you ever see Mr. Laing ?--Yes. Dill your neguciation pass diree)h Wil It Mr. 1 4' . .' 134 after you were introduced to gr. \\flintJowl) i-r-1 immediatdfr with Mr..-Lnsw. And not thrott4h' Mr. Wialbovirn " ?-; -.1 ' .0) ! . i.-'4' him, once or . twice in the cow 9C ' of the 11-41141'. '' ' 1)- t that wa, all. . . Was Mr. Witnbourn pr , .......ent at yrttlr Conl' ic 'Y'' '' . with Mr. Lang upun tli, sutra )--.1 no no tit , '`. he war. Who paid you.the monr ?--lt Where `was a depwitukt ?—.At my L4il,li'":.