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had SPORtING INTgLLIGEIVCE. C(1, Olt re* )3' ; )ii , litl •••••••••6% %LIU WUI4III yC 14411114 114. L14 owvw+~ of it. - Mr. Pitfilt °ORE begged that the fitrectors, in'yead pf exercising this extreme severity, Would look at what the, House of Commons had done in the case of one of his Majesty ' s Ministers, , tvlio was implicated in this very Report of the East India Committee. They had . given the question the go by, on the ground that it would be hard to punish an indivtdual for what had been so frequently done, that it • was overlooked. He hoped the Court . of Directors would be satisfied with doubling down a leaf on the past, and beginning anew, so as to pre vent the recurrence of the same evils. Besides, he believed that this very day the Bill prohibiting the .sale of offices' would. receive the Royal Assent; so that, to-morrow the law would be sufficient . for Punishing all such offences; without any necessity fat - ruining a few innocent and utioffending young, Men, whose parents or gtiardians alone were cul pable. [Here some discussion took place upon the powers separately vested in the Court of .Directors, and in the Proprietors.) A Proprietor, whose name we could not learn, ob served, that there was not a doubt that there re sided in the Court of Direetors the power of dis ,uissing the servants of the Company. As to the present motion it was not couched in the language of demand on the part of Proprietors, but in that of respeCtful reqnest.- It was rather addressed to the feelings of the Directors as men, than to the sterner sentiments of duty imposed upon then] .by their official situation. • Mr. LO W NDF.S thought the present motion diC toted by the feelings of humanity. In the - story of Le Fevre,. Corporal Trim pleads by way of excuse, for not offering the poor- Lieutenant his master's . purse, that he • had received• no orders , to , do so.— " •True, " said Uncle Toby, " You have acted very well as &soldier, Trim, but not as a man." So 'he could say to the Court; in giving the order of _recall they had acted very well as DireCtors, and now be should wish then, to ad with the hum- nittof men. Mr. JACKSON BARWIS supported the Resolution of the Directors. It was to tie regretted that indi iiduals sluittld suffer, but the interests of the corn- Munity at large were to be proteCled, and this could Only be done by showing that the laws of the Com pany were not to be transgressed with impunity. , Mr. TWINING also opposed the motion, on the . ground that wltat might 'prove an a& 'of leniency to some, would be a measure of cruelty to many. FJe was convinced that had the Court of Direaors neg leaed to come to such a Resolution, they would i*ave been accused on all sides of the most culpable indifference to the interests of their constituents. The only circumstance which seemed to dictate le , wency, was the possibility that the Resolutions of 1799 and 1108 had not been sufficiently pro mulgated; but he would oppose any vote of the Proprietors.which went to call upon the Court of Directors to reverse their decision. ..„.• Sir . .I.ABOPHILUS nasmay and Mr. GRANT de elated, that, as Members of the Court of Direetors, they had felt the greatest reluilance in coming to this determination of recall; but they felt them » selves called upon ,to adopt it by an imperative sense of duty. If the' motion came, however, merely as a recommendation from the Proprietors, and not as a mandate, they would have no objection to entertain it. " . . After a few words in reply from Mr. Sansop, the !notion was put, and carried in the affirmative by a great show of hands. 'lite Court immediately ad- Journed. 'YORK SPRING MEETING, illog. 'itratirtasiony, MAY3I. Sweepstakes of 3ogs. each, togs. ft. for ttvo,..yrsolcl colts, Est• alb. fillies, Bat. Two‘yr. aids' Course, (8 Subscribers.) Mr. W. Morsels b. c. by Sh uttle, out of Lady Sarah I Mr. Dimsdales b. c. by llenin pato r gbrough, dam by Trum -2 , Sir H. T. Vsne's b. f, by Shuttle, dam by Drone - 3 Mr. Harlow's b. c. Pope, by Shuttle, dam by Oberon 4 Sir T. Gascoignets b. t'. by Penator and Violet - S 7 to 4 against Pope—the same against Mr. Dims. dale's colt ... • - . • ' 4 two to i against the winner. Won easy. ,The Stand Plate of Jul. for three.year olds, 6st.— four.year olds 7st. 91b,—fivelear olds, i list. 41b. —SI x-year olds and aged, Zst. tolb.—Three and 4 -years old fillies allowed 41b. Four Miles. Mr. T. Dunscombels b. c. Ceres, by Hambletonian, L r 4 d Scarborough's b. d. by Sir Solomon, out of Fan- I . • tail, s.yrs old - .. - 2 Sir T. Gascoignc's b. c. Birmtrap, by Agonistes out . of Kilton's Sister, 4.yrs. old - - 3 31 r. Carforth's' b. c. brother to Peter Plymley, by ' Ilarnbletoman, out at Caroline, alrs old - 4 , 2 to 1 on CUM. 'easy. *Me effeas of the high wind yesterday morning Wore severely felt on the River Thames, especially l ' c elow Bridge, about Blackwell, Liniehouse, Sic. w hen several vessels and craft were driven from their • " I "riags, and received material injury, and boats _were_ sunk " lon. i n t h e ne i g hb our i xxx l o f Pep i3r. Stepney, l3ethnell Green, SpitallieldS, Ste. many oIJ houses were stripped of their roots and shook to tOuudationt ; a npmber of trees were blown by their roots in Moorfielils ; but we have not, heard of any lives being lost; • I r elterday, during the high win& one orthe large trees in thei Bird-cage 'Walk, St. James's Park, was blown down. The Mall Was covered with branches and leaves that were blown off. La,t night, about half. past nine o'clock, a fire broke: ou t at a house, ,No. xf, Stamford-street, B lackfriart-road, in' the occupation of a Mrs. Lowe, occasioned by the bed-curtains taking fire;--owing to strong party-walls the fire was confined to the. premises, which were entirely consumed. The Principal part of thelurniture was saved. I ,Ve are surprised as well as concerned to hear that Afr. LA CX,' formerly one of the Patentees of Drury- Lane Theatre, and who has been deprived by its de ' atrutlion of the little remaining advantage he de rived from it, has been denied the assistance of Mr. PALMRR, Mrs. BLAND, and other Performers, who generously tendered hi m th e i r serv i ce s for any. bene t he might be inclined to take. We should,have !bought; the Committee or Performers at the &At. c aum .Would not thus have rejetted the request of an unf ortunate Gentleman, whose ruin is chiefly. (0 be ascribed to' too liberal a spirit in ate hoot at prosperity. IVI 1. Li 1 All J./ 1. 11 .14 - 1.11'13:4 o lidt/S* OF VRlbitt, JUNE 2. Cotinsel was heard on the Appeal Frank v. Prank; after which the rurthei cdusideration.was deferred till Wednesday next. A number of public acid private Bills were brought up from the Comtnons, and read a first time. rourt take Di ined ugh d be cor en- • CRUELTY TOWARDS ANIMALS. The Bill for preventing wanton cruelty towards Animals being re-committed pursuant to order,' Lord ERSKINE explained at considerable length the alterations he had adopted agreeably to the Sug gestions of his Noble and Learned Friends, and like wise the nature of the chief, clause which he inten& ed should form the more prominent feature of the Bill. Lordship concluded with moving that the clause be added to the Bill ; and that the Bill be printed. Lord DARNLAY complained, thdt his sentiments had been misrepresented respelling the tendency of the Bill. Na man could rate higher than he did that zeal of humanity which prompted the Learned Mover.to undertake this laudable measure, and no mall could be more anxious to see it carried into el k& to every.eXtent that was prallicable. The different clauses were then made. part of the Bill; the Report received; and the Bill, as amend ed, ordered to be printed. DISSENTING CLERGY. • Lord 'gIDMOUTH rose, pursuant to notice, to move for a return of the number of Licenses' which had of late years Wen granted to persons who wished to. qualify themselves for pt caching in the Dissenting Meeting Houses. The subject, he was conscious, , was a delicate and inr2ortant one, and he thought it proper to premise, that he had 'no intention of pro posing the itnmediate 'adoption of any measure re speaing it. It was impossible for any man to value and revere ; more highly than he did, the wise, libe ral, and enlightened policy which our ancestors have displayed in framing what is generally known by the name of the Toleration A& No. man could more anxiously wish than he did to keep alive the spirit which dietsited that policy ; but sorry he was-to have to express his fears, that the indulgence it held out,. had of late years been grossly abused. He was very credibly informed, that many of, the persons who took out these licenses, had no other object in view than lo exempt themselves from a liability to many civil duties, such as the Militia, &c. and that in other respects they were very little or not at all quiii- Oed to dis Charge the serious Nations which they would profess to undertake. Whether the number of Dissenters had or had not increased of late years, he was noeprepared to affirm; but of . this he was certain, that the general disposition of men's minds leant towards the . Established Church, and they Ire, vented meetings only because they had not in their respedive places of abode a church or chapel of the Established Church, to which to resort. There were many other serious topics to which, on a subjeetlike the present, he might call the attention of their Lord ships ; but he should now confine himself principally to the praftice of thaabuses to which he had already alluded, and which it was lamentable should be found to spring from a measure that was pre-eminently cha ratterized by wisdom and liberality. The Noble Viscount concluded with moving, that there be laid before the House an Accomit of the Number of Li censes taken out at the Quarter Sesiiontof the chi ferent Counties of England and Wales, from the year .1780, down to the close of the year 1808. . The motion being read from the Woolsack, Lord HAaaowav cordially acquiesced m the sentiments expressed by the Noble. Viscount, • and only feared that inconveniences and diffi culties might occur to prevent the accomplishment of theobjeet he bad in view. At all events he should wish the Noble Viscount would amend his motion, by adding s to it the number of licenses - taken out for the erection of Meeting-houses, and the number of them that had been erected of late years. The Archbishop Of CAN*ERBLEY fully coincided in most of, the obserVations that had fallen from the Noble Lord who preceded him.. As. far as his in formation enabled shim to form an opinion, he must confess, that of late years the number of Dissenters had considerabiy increased ; but' . that increase he would not iinPute to any preference for a difference of doCtrine frami that of the: Established Church: The fait vvas; that. in many populous parts of the country, the.populatiun had outgrown the machinery that was established to furnish them with spiritual information, and they were naturally led to look for 'it wherever it was more conveniently tube found.— This therefore was to be remedied by increasing the number of Churches and Chapels in these districts, and by furnishing the other means of affording in formation. • His veneration for the Toleration At was profound and unimpaired; and the more be respected it, the more he must grieve to 'see its en lightened intentions defeated or abused. As to the licenses, it was true that they emanated from the Bishops; but it ivas equally true, that The Bishops . had no l eontroul over the distribution - .of •theM,— Something certainly was wanted at the tendenCy of the Noble. Viscount's motion. . The LOE'D CHANCELLOR was fully convinced of the existence of the abuses. complained ,ofi , and he believed he was jUstitied in saying that many.per 'sons applied for those licences, not only with no. in-, tention to a t upon,, them Ashen obtaiiied,, but to convert them into an excuse for Withdrawing them selves from all liability to be. Made to serve in civil capacities ; to screen themselves; by this purchase . for a shilling, front liability to serve in the Militias, &c. . He should be 'anxious to , make the measure of the Noble Viscount subservient to tie cleteaion, of such perscins; and then it would appear to him •to promise more beneficial consequences. Lord GROSVRNOR adduced several proofs of the gross ignorance of the persons who solicited those licences, and declared, that in his 'opinion no slight inconveniences, no ordinary difficulties should be a bar to the accomplishment of an object so desirable'. Tins question was then . put on the motion as amended, and agreed to without any opposition. ,The Bills on the table were then advanced a stage each, and the House adjourned till' to-roorrosv. ROUSE OF COMMONS. FRIDAY, R. Mr. CANNING, ptirSUltUt to an Order of the Uouse, brought up certain Papas relating to the iustrudions L.vol ,rl.l{lC; 11. British Minister in America. Ordered 16 lie oh the table, and be pfinted. The Irish Life Annuities' Bill vas read a first; and ordered to .be read a second time to-morrow. Mr. R. DUNDAi r,etiohechhe Irish CustomDu; ties and Irish Spirit Bills, which were each ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. The Irish Militia Bill having been reported, the Bill with its Amendments, was ordered to be en grossed, and read a third time on Tuesday next: • The report of Insolvent Debtors' Bill was re= belted, and the Bill ordered Co be read a thirtftime . to-morrow. 11•44,... ♦.4,111, Mr. GRATTAN presented from the' Irish T)iitillers a Petition .against the Spirit Suspension Intercourse , Bill, which.having been 'ordered 16 lie' ati the table, was directed to ,be taken into farther' consideration on the report of the Bill. A Message from the Lords' signified ' their Lord ships' assent to the Irish Beer linp;Ovemerit, Eng lish Life Annuities, American Trade, and Irish Post masters' Bills, with some *others of a private nature. Mr.'HOttisea moved an Address 40 his Majesty, that he would be graciously pleased to direst 'that there be laid before the Hodse a Copy of the Re port of Proceedings of the Commissioners of Admi nistration for Scotland, respeCling Appeals to the House of Peers.—Ordered accordingly., The Exchequer Bills, and Excise Regulation tills, were each read a third time, passed, and ordered to the Lords. Lord LOVAINR moved the second reading of the Vote of Credit Bill. • After a few wordy from Sit T. TUUTON, who stated, that on the third reading he would 'offer some objeaions as far as related to Austria and Spain, he not having been present on a former ,diiewsion, the Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be com mitted to•morroW. The Goods,Warehon,ing Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow, The Irish Post Roads Improvement and Defence Lands Bills were each read a'thirci time and passed. The Colonies Penalties Bill was read a second time and ordered for committal to-morrow. The African Coffee Bill, went through a Corn mittee.—Report to be received to•tnorrow. Upon the Report of the Resolutions of the Com mittee on the Judges Salaries being brought up, Mr. WHITBREAD stated it to be his intention not to' oppose these resolutiOns, but to give• notice , of a motion, which on a ftitdre day he should make, to prevent any Judges what Soever from hOlding seats in Parliament. The Hon. Gentleman animadverted also on the inennvenience resulting from the divi sion of 'the Northern Circuit between two 'Judg , .s, although they did not both occupy the time or'Cir cuit which formerly one Judge did. The CHANCELLOR of Eidascturn said, what ever finny be the disposition of 'Hon. GentleMen' on subjeAs unconneaed with the present Resolutions, this was not the time to submit it. After a few words from mi. Wilberforce, Mr. Baultes; nod Mr., H. Browne, tlie Resolutions were agreed to, And a. Bill ordered accordingly. Mr. r HARTON brought up the Report of the British and Irish Spirit intercourse Suspeti ,, ,inn 1301. The amendments were ordered:lo4v engrossed, and the Bat to be read a' third time on l'uesday next, when the petition presented this evening shoUld be taken into consideration. CAS LIGHTS. Mr. Met Lisa moved the third reading of the Gas Light Bill, and said he was desiroui lot the in sertion of five additional clatises, SirJ. ANSTRUTHER ob,erved upon the irregular manner of postponing a Bill for so long a time, a nd then bringing it forward for the additional cliusea, which it inny be inconvenient to diSCUSE. _ _ • Mr. P. CAItEW said a few words on the subjerif. Mr. D. Gionv, at considerable length, slated, that the proposition of lighting the metropolis with gas, Instead of oil, was one which would by its expen ces far exceed the present system. In one parish (that of St. JaMeS) it was computed the additional expenee would be . upwards of 5001. a-year, beyond what was now paid for lighting that parish with oil. The Hon. Gentleman moved, as an acnendment, that the Bill be read a third titnc this day thiee months. After a few words' from Sir l. Hall, .Mr. Babing ton and Mr. Thorhpson, • Mr- WlLBER r oacg, with great ability, opposed the measure, as tendinr , to encourage a bUbble spe culation to the.negled of p sober and beri9us , ' pursuits. He treated with ridicule the idea of the projeetor, who stated that in some time the Government may derive taxation from this system to the amount of ten millions' and upwardsi and this same projeCtor said, that if persons were astonisLed at the extent of such a derivation of benefit from the system, they had only to consider there was ten times more sub ject of wonder in . the diurnal'rotation of a . planet upon its'axis. Strangers beipg ordered to withdraw, the House divided upop the aniendmerit. Ayes - k di c oes ..... - 38 Majoriii,far the A maatimeat The Bill was consequently lost. IRISH DISTILLERY PILL. The'liouso went into a committe upon the Irish Distiaery On the clause respefting punishments, Mr. Nit- NELL propos:xi the omissiortQf the words. "corporal punishment" for the purpose of inierting the wordi .r seven pars transportatioa." -Hr. MARTIN reprobated corporal punishment as most, tn,coustitutional, when applied to a fiscal of fence. Mr.Fos'ina explained that thisexpression referred merely tothepunishment of a misdemeanour, which the offence was constitUteci at present by the 4th of the King. Mr:WitureftEAD Spt)ke Of the evil which had ari 4enr in the Continental cnuotties of Europe, parti- Cularly in Spain, from On. lieverity of the punish ments inflicted on binugglers, by which they had been converted into armed ".banditti and assassin,. Altere few Words from Mr. Foster, Sir 3. New port, Mr. Barham, and Mr. Parnell, Mr. Foster agreed to omit the words " corporal punishment," leaving the clause to state in general terms, that the offence should be ,Yisited by the punishment of a niisdetneanour. Several other clauses of the Bill underwent coral derable dikcusgion; after which, the Rouse having been resumed the report w Bordered to be received to•rnot row, t , :.: gave 'notice, that he .woutct; Tuesday next;. itibrnik to . the House a tri )tiori - reht!, tine to this trade . and; in ()icier feat 014 , in!giii 1,4 iti posesaion of the necessary information;, he had now to move that certain papers should be laid he; fore theni. Th6se Papers were—ist; .COpies Of hit Memorials; Applications; Btc. laid befit tiid missiotiers of the Treasury; or the Board of Trade; sitice the Ist June, 180§, relative to the admissiori of Foreign Sugars to home conitimption do the 'pay : ment of British iiitopial duties , end the warrants Is• sued by the 'treasury or Board of Trade; in Cowie:. ritience of the same. -0d;. Copiei or ektradti of all letters froril the Governors of our COlotties; respect:. ing the depreciation of the produce Of these Cold,;• . ~ . ~ . H . ' . After a few temhrks from Mr. usttsilot, and Lord CASTLIRRIf4GIi, on the impropriety - ot making: ' the latter intylligetice public, the•f ort h er inotibn vi,!iii agiccd to, and this withdrawn. - , :' , _ .I'UBI.IC EXPENDIttiRt. Mr. MARTIN moved the Order of the ljay for the House going into a'Comtnitteefor the consideratiori of the 'Third Report of the Conitnittee,on 'Pubite Expenditure. The House having re - solved in the Ceriimittee,,. Mr. MARTIN urged the necessity of taking this. Matter into serious consideration, which, in his opi nion, was rendered Still more neuessary Iron' the in- I formation they had received since he,last addressed. twin on the subjeci, from which it appeated that i t he Permanent Times amounted to 30,: 0(40001. while the, interest of our National - Debt amounted to .31,368,0001. Consequently them was an annual defalcation of 1,268,00u1. for which the War Taxes must be yertnanently pledged. He mentibned ibis( to impress on the Committee the absolute neceisny f economy o wherever it was predicable. if this was not adopted, the result would be, to make the In come Tax permanent.. This observation was the only thing new that had occurred to him singe hts brought his resolutions forward. All that he now • proposed to do was, to move the first resolotion, and in the course of moving those succeeding, to con trast them with the Resolutions of the Right Hon, Chancellor of the Exchequer. - With regard to the first resolution, he had no obje&ion to state that he. preferred the first nsulution of the Right Hon. Clan- - denten to his own, and he consequently lied 06 he , sitation in adopting it, after his should be negatived: This Resolutitan being put frotn•the Chair— ' Mr. Iluhussost rose to controvert some nth-state» meats with respect id the finances of ,the country into which the Hon. 'Gentleman had fallen. lie had stated that the amount of the Pe;manent 'Dies was opt equal to the.discharge of the imerest of the Public Debt. This was het the case. Or) the eon trary, last yearthey tract voted a surplus of bet w'eerf fouraod five million, out of the Consolidated Fund, independent of the other heavy charges to which that fond, was liable. The Hon. Gentleman had fallen into this mistake trout' confounding the produce of the PerManent Taxes with the Consolidated Vend,' whereas the difrerence between their amounts was - ' not less ahan about eight Millions. Last year the public charge , was thirtythree toltliott, while the • Fond to defray it amounted to thirty-seven million. , This statement could admit of no dispute, as it wilt; proved by the rettnits on their table, arid therefore it was impossible for the Hung-Arable Gentleman to say that the perniatient taxes MI short of the Annual Expenditure, He did not deny that the produce of the Reventie this year fell short of that of last year by about 200,0091. but this was from being compared with a year, of great abundance, acid could ocia.pos‘ sibly be such a cause of despondency as the Ho. bourable - Gendeman's statements went to snake it. Mr. Huskisson then went into a detail of his - finaticial operations.of last year in 'mortgaging one million of the defies 91/ malt and sugar to pay a debt, losieao allowing it to go att usual to the consolidated Feud.' By this means there was an apparent deMicatiost tliJ present year to that amount, which did not ex - St in reality, and which would be found in the ... receipt of the revenue for the year 18.4 0.. With regard to t h e convoy duty, that most necesAarily cease on the re-establishment. of peace ; but it did riot follow 'bat a considerable part of what was now raised, under the head of Couvoy Duty 111 1 ;i1t FlOl then be aaattl 7 need tooter the denoMistatiou of Customs. There was. no reason, then, for the despondency martite;ted by the Flom Gentleman, but this he did not in opposition to - the, proposition that ec,or.otny was de. hirable; while the burdens, continued to be so i 4 rcat • as they were, in hisopinioo, the House retinii..,,! no other incitement to rehcve them by every means in their power. . Mr.l4AßTANexplained. Lord FocK.STotali considered that a falla4 had run through the whole of the statement made by the Hon: Gdutleman opposite (Mr. Huskisson) as in his calcOlations he had not stated the produce of new taxes laid on in 1808 to the amount of 1,700,0001.' The Noble Lord wits going on to point out this sup posed inaccuracy, when - M 4. iit.IiKISSON rose and corredod his miscon ception of the matter,. $c shewed, that ‘ytiat clia Noble. Lord intended to consider as new taxei, WAS only a new arnulgement of the assessed taxes ready in existence. Mr. TIERNEY assented to the truth of this, and at the same time thought the Hon. Mover of the re solutions perfedly right in taking the gronod, he had chosen, in order to enforce the urgent neces ., ityiltere was at present, as .well as at all times, 'to economise in the expenditure of public money. Ht ditferecl. in Qpinion with the last Speaker, as to the.etlect of his mortgaging the one million of .malt duty, which he thought would never be realised to the amount of more than 250,0001. The Right Hon., Gentleman therrproduced a paper of calculations, which'lle had accidentally in his pocket, from which he entered' into a number of statements, to chew, that if p eace took place toquorrow, our peace establishment must amount . to 4g million per ann. without calculating on the expence of winding up the war. To meet this we had only. (taking it at the present rate) in in. come. of 384 million Annually, and thus nearly 1 trillion wenld be left to be yearly provided, tor, for whir l he knew no resource but by continuing the, War r axes...laying on new taxes, or having re. course to a Loan. Our present 'War Taxes, it eon. tibued in peace; - would not produce more than four million'; and thus to me e t t h e annual expenditure aVove the annual revenue, it would be rwi.essary to continue the Property Tax at 5 per cent. Lead Mtiaoti reoalled the attention ofthe Rouse