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opote the Noble Lord as a n ag'grayation or extenua- • President of the . Board of Controul.`,. A Minister i which I a ou e alit not to have concerned himself with; : • ~ 0 . . • Lion. The case're a lly a n d v i rtua lly -d epended upon thus situated, might be More 'or less eeMpli t nented :Nleilisteris had no riglit'to ma - ke useof public offieea; his patronage. .. . ' ' 'by the East India. Company with patro n age : i t cetild.: which - were , in ma, -tpnblic' 'property,' to purchase . ._ ... . -Mr ettorptst rose to do justice to the memory of not-bedhotight the. East India COmpany would give seats in Parliament. 'lf theeprinciple which enabled his departed friend the late Lord Sligo. If the PatrOnage for the purpose of biiltig, patrOnage, ~..-, if thiistets id'ea . anitritry to the sense of Parliam e nt' _Noble Lord opposite (Hamilton) had read the' re= that could be proved the hiel e they ought 'to be -de:- were con .iiiered, the magnittade of the evil must be port of the evidence of Reding, as it related to him, privet" 01 that power. Their furnishing. NI - misters chrious. ' lite ',Noble 'Lord had acknowledged hay be would haVe found it not only improbable,: but with patronage to gain seats was ,one '.of the toost ing plac'd a lAr r it e r s hip a t the-disposal of the Earl of impossible to be true, an d would - have - abstained dangerous abuses that could be dreatneJ of; but it ClOncarty,- tolaciiitate his coming into Parliament ; from impli cat i ng his name' in any 'chargeof orruP- . had been said, that that 'patronageein this instance; ' and be could not think when one of the fundamental lion:: .He then went into the evidence; and'shewed ,was not to increase the influence of Ministers, but . principleeof the eorrstitutiala were violated by a 'Mi that,Reding had first pretended that Lord' Sligo was only to be e3erted in, behalf o f an i n di v id ua l. H e did , nister, that they Ought to pass on to • the. Orders of to procure the person for the'place, then the 'place , not know how the influence of Government (if .he ' the . Day, tor the pe rson ; t h en t h at i t was to be a Wthership; Understood the expression) c o u ld b e iea re a se d i n 1 Th e C HANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ' said; he then a ' pecuniary reward of 3,500 guineas ; and shat House, but by procuring 'seats for persons de- j should -.thinks hies negleeted every private duty, if, many cattle, gross con I radialorts'. He put u to the.: yoted,to their 'interests, and. he- would.ask, if. there feeling as he did, -he failed to rise, regardless. ot- Noble L or d, u p on w h at ground of. honest prin- , could be any detibt but the Earl of Clancarty would Whatever he might have to : encounter in behalf of -Ciole, or 'generous feeling,- . tie could charge Lord ' uniformly v o te fo r the measures o f that Gevernment • his valued-friend. .He did not think,' when he.en- Sligo, wh om he k new 't o be 'in his grave, with ' of whiCh the Noble' Lord formed a Part.. How was tered tlie rfouse that night,. that there could have The corruption o n s uc h incons istent grounds. . the influence Qf Government established but by I been any doubt as to the faik or .to the law appli. Noble Lord inde e d had in the course of his 'Speech., gaining seats in Parliament foreuch perione ?It was -Cable to them. hi thelorn . ler instance .he.had been twice claim e d th e i n dulg en c e of th e H ou se in _being we ll knw,vn that in times: t ar eleetion burgessed'bo- ' disappointed ; but not i n t h e latter. The Right Ho- , allowed to explain any error he might • fall into. : roughs were.cienstantlyrei sale, and m ighl be. bought . Pourable Gentleman ellen - jointed' adt titherein the This indulgence he would certainly need, and 'be ! like a horee or a cow., Stunetitnes persons were 'ftitieliortit of that tribunal. differed from thos'e of , called upon him to avail himself of it, to dO justice to : plaCetlin Parliament tl; rePr,esent them from motives,' Cobra: of 'Law.'' -Fie was happy to follow ehe•Gen. .the m e mory of Lord Sligo ; Reding had said that Lord • of friendship ; 'Out much oftener persons became etleman who sPoke last 4! befutned with him. in the Sligo was to give Lord aancatry a seat for an Irish ); possessed of suats'Solay t brotigh, `the:•fecouttnenda. I -candid exposition; he had Made ; agreed with himN Borough, and thensbie Lord had taken for gra nted , ; lion of NO. nr live thousaud pounds. :It neight 'be ' . tosthe nature of therdisnee, and the law for punish this was the case. Did he not know that it was not i mid, in justification of such practices, that . Govern-. ing it; , only di ff ering as to the prop r i e ty o f i t s b e in g .in the nature of thi n g s , f or L or d Cl a n c a r ty,' or any : went must .he supported,„but he could no t think ' applied in the present instance. He thought. his Hon. , Irtste'Peer, to sit for anlrish br;rOugh ; or was heas ' their supporcoughtto be detiyed - froin auch.sources. .Friend (Mr. Croker) had been reproved for vindi-; ignorant of that eire t inewance as Reding appeared to,, It `vas impossible nut to connect this - sob:jet-1 with cating the character of the Marquis of Slig o Wh en . be, when he mentioned not - onlY Lord ClaneartY ;' the IXProrto of Parliament; :he' had' long• Considered ehe did not want reproof and the Hon.' GeOtletnan. but Lord 1 - laWardeil as 'in" thSit respect favoured by i that question with the attention : which he thought it, ' would have done ti`r;lt - bid - he considered,' before ii ord Sligo, wh o k new the laW better than to think, i merited, :At an early, period of his lite the cry of he adverted to the: Union ; the impropriety o f t n .. .of stAl,;a-thin g , evem h a d he possessed the patronage, t reform lad beett echoed..trum every quarter, in 1611'1440e- ptibh.; mind by insinuations which were which •he did not. H e had rescued his lamented 1 .. every car, and it had .been .asserted, diet unles.e , some not founded in fad. Otte of the chargea-preferred friend from the obloquy cast npOn his . name, and ' change wa s br o u g h t t a 6 out w i t hi n t h at House, a re- against his friend and colleague was, of such a nature trusted 'What tiz, h a d sta t e d would increase the indig- 1. form would be ollieded by those tvith :Teat out: teat he could' not but leply-to,it 'in particul a r, as it nation °I-th e li oi a le ega i nst 'Redi ng , w h o by his i period, he hailed; never would 'arrive z but if they did indeed' eettel,tU aggkavattibiS conduct in a Very gross-prevaric at i on , f or a • m o mentary she lter from ! shut .their eyes when shell things-were brought bee !rat degree,:i He elltidedeo.that part. of the N o bl e . di S"werY.,• dAtied thuS to :commit sacrilege, endyioe , fore them, what else could be exp e eted ? Such tran s e " .orelle'hileeth Whore be Spoke of the . indignation of late the silence-el thetomb. .*The secOnd'Reeolue :. aaiotis might be animadverted on ,Veveeely. •He , his ~Notele Prieod- as being affeCled,,...,He was sure (ton, declari ng that th e transaction failed from a'dis- was oot e ef opinien the, resolution went further than . his ineignation . was t.i.lost sincere, and if. the eVi agreOmeut atisee;,th e 's u bordinate agehtS, was, fjorn :. it ought tudoe it.'wa,4 little more than a plaio;state- deuce was peruNod, he thmight that he was so,mut: What lie had said, f a l se in fact', since it was not in ~Inetit of faccts (he•elid oot meet' to. say, the stateuteuts be obviotis.' fie Lad . hever 'seen Davis but once the nature ' o f things tha t it could havabeen Corn- were correet). .13,ut because. perhaps borne trivial tit . are . the beget:a:locm was over, .(Here the Right pleted ; and he pot it - to the Right Hon.'and'Learned errors might appear, would the Han. G :ntlentan 'Hon. (:','eetle;nan Slightly ='glaricelatf the evidence.) Gentleman opposite (Mr. Ponsonby), who had been wish the whole to,be set aside ? It would hAve„heen , A short time !before , Abe Coaenittee commenced its a Judge, anti knew the law, whether he could'vete better . hail he ..propoed.,serpe amendment I: be skiing Davis -wrote a letter to him, stating that there for this being the cause of a fulore where there was thought-it might easily .beatrieuded by addip&such . W4Ol. cdso in which he' wished the Noble Lord to a physical impossibilite of tie matters being carried i, words as these " as. 14:08'4:appeared ; to. the Noble Aired hint ti I,a to do, The answer Of. his friend intoetfect ?" 'The first' priipositton was also erro l ,Lord ztt that time," . lie did llOi know that -00;e ' had bell t'l'N' thiferent• to what Dada. had eepe i it. fleets., as it went t o catch the Noble Lord (C as tle.: i words would du, bin he thought some such ex- ed.-- , " YThi ''to do me no. greater 'personal favour ) esgh) in a chkttinti 01 havng aggravated his orfefice ' passions might 0, - ; •sate eteiy: obie.ti on.. In. the , than, by .stating all von _k pow, &o.". His contlea in by being in ovo otfices o ei her Presidentof the Am' d light in which 'the Noble Viscous t saw the trans- t;fi , instaucc• proved, • that cOnscions of th e r e ctit u d e , o.reorstruol„ or SoTetary of State/as . . suited' We action in which he' had 1, '. '...een en,, , ,ag , . , d, he - Ind 01 his incAinons, he Was' desirous, the whole of the coune6led with .his conilud:shoula 'views of the N o hi e L or d opp os ite. The fact was, " endeavoured . till' ,fi fits power to ‘ euilielele the cirettiostaneee that 'he was not Secretary 01 Sta!e, at that time, an't ttegoliati9il ; . lie therefore sio , )( 1-- ---".—• lie -b" -141 d4het . ore the reotnnsittee, that it might be clear dough h e di I not mean to s.iy that this hltil ninch would not finish 'the ' s entenc e . The:N*6l4e - tout . ed up ; he ther e f ore t h oug h t the Noble I,ord'had ' ' effect 'upon tine ,bi r d p jilt, Vet it was r .IPl'issih:e to waceertaildY':c„ulpable-: Was it proper:. for deity t 4 no right to think -. his' friend's iedig na ti o n was insi n , ct)"'e to th at r onc lusi o n vsnll noth the I ~,„ „„ 1 ,,,, 4 „ : cethiont, Last _lndia patrotui.. , ,e tor -a .ecat op, Oeerl'es-i - sere oo -the evidence or 'Davis. Nothing had b een 'false, , whieh appvarf.l on their Joi.nnals.. l-lis incur ? It : th a t-6 1 w ' be ,k ie e t t. ol 4 , ee m ts spoe t ee o f e t ed against the Noble Lord's conduit in a moral countryme n b a d b' -ti accused of tiLiking will , , hut any oilier Patronagolof thc . s.iineqrtsrpose-; atigticoo r .- point of view, and it' the circumstances laid before the the logic ut ihe Nobler 1-01 , 1 pros ed Ina' they also considered as a.. venial _error, lieeertantly ' media a House should cause i hem to come to an unfavour ... existed oil this 14416 of Ihe wai' r(A iatot it). 11,- did greet ooeoing efar 'corruption, and. the cotitoi - y able decision, whatever might be their sentiments, ho not know wh i stli-er they 1 iitglied at hiiu met he Nu- w(Aiid thiuk.Ministers considered tlio one of as little should stillAfeel- justified in his attachment to the ble Lord ; if at the lett e r, he 'begged to assure him , importance as the other.. When 'a titan ()Atolls a Ir - 10d - beloved. The - tesultnions' were neilher'true it was at his logic, not at teinseit . . It the, e °Lila be singlevote by:giving, - or by promising entive, any in :words nor cocas, there were inaccuracies of great grave he would pow state the ease. The Noble Se- office, place, or Alter snurce of emolument,' I:e ~i ts itllpOrninCe,. • ,Whatever error his friend might have ereta'ry, with a l ar g e s ha t 4. - 01 lsaironage, had in one:. , punishable. 'lnla ' & else, then, where the whole of committed,` he hoped - 0c House would be partiees roee oil: fat oar tared : a to say , .. , oto them • f ihe l 'e was any tlimg . .hut a par- b,"fligh,t, t ttu;,l it bede n) ought proper. th e to ;pu4l s , the prop...tit i )ti. The fist resolution he could i lametnary diffieu if this—it there was any moral . ' over to tee Ofeler of: thelDey ?• - ••Couldithe " Irish . not agree to ; and thes,von4, which stated that the turOkutleur .c o r t uption, or if what was proposed to • :Cotoottsitoller4' Fees Bill" be considered - es of more negociation tided throug;li the underlings, . was be done was:n n t s an etiOned by, cuitone, and if sliseo. importance than that winch struck at the very vitals equally incorrut: Irthe resolutions wt.'re,passed at vexed, Nvai. ou;th ore - tha n ' a very v cella' .offerve, The ,of , the constitution ? Toe, case was so plain hu'did ' alt, -- they amended. toust 'be amended. No reliance ilioeld 'be middle course h a d b een r ec or m u. nded..and howished 'tot-think it necessary to 0o deep into:it; . but when . ..placed'on the evidence of Betting, Lard Sligo, had into be taken; not that they. should come to ,1 vote :.be conteinolated the contltd of Gentlemen io.tha t ' 'no' seat to sell;;lido was a name he made use of ?f:eensare on il ia , we e h in their own hearts they instance, atd r.emernbered the flagrant abuses charg- - before the Continlitee; but which be probably ne. Know not to he ceo,urahle.. He.called on . thern to ed :tome years ago on the GoVernment of Ireland, to , ter thought' of before. •I:lie manifold . absurdities g, 0 into their own. brpa•tr., and examine their poll- . bring about the. Union, the reflection he'made wait,.: and contradictions in that man's evidence; rendered altloallieesibefore they came to . suell a vote. ; " that there is a' something .in the :human mind it wholly useless. It was evident the man meant:to Alt. WYNNE t.xpiaitletl: , . _ ' , which enab!CS-Gentlemeo (though:men of 6014 ho- 1 lmpose on 'the' public; by making use of the letter Loid MILTON did not ris e t o .. s p ea k. on t h e . gees. •! nour and .integrity in.'priv a telito to reconcile their which his NOble Friend had indiscreetly written'to Von, but merdy to explain his conduct which had ' consciences to any thing." It was'bis opinion it' the him. The injurious effiseis of offences. be did not neen allUdti:d to so direetly 'by t h e N o bl e L or d (Cos- Rouse passed lightly o v er whae had now been mean t o de n y. I t h a d b een sa id, t h at if disposing tlereagh)• He was free 'to cootess, t hat at the brought before them, they. would not only incur the of 'East India Patronage were regarded as such a 're. words which fell from • thatiNoble Lord at the time ; censure,of the pitblic,•. but they would be ,placed in nial erro r , the:di spoSa l• of jiatrOnage of every other alluded to, he felt it imptse.ble - to , refrai n f ro m an ! a state of ;jeopardy greater than any they had evert descriptio n, would ,ceaselo.he reprobated, No tine, exPresston of the indignation he -felt' f ro : A th e v e r y : yet been menaced with. Whan the populareclamour ' he believed, thought of justifyitx an abuse—front commencement of his speech. As an apology to ' rose high without reason, h e t ho ug ht at duty of whatever source power might be derieed, the per the Rouse, however, was necessary, he rose now Ministers Manfully to stem it ; bot:when unabte'to •son 'holdingit t,vas tespOnsible for the use he Made for the p urvose of rnaking. it. ~ condenin it as atisingfroin an improper source, they i of it. It had been said the deprivation ot"power M r . W. stunt theught the last s eaker, h . l . ' could only ce nsure it as being: too violent ; by rashly would be an Appr o p r i a te pu n i s h men t ; b ut a r em° . `defendin g thelcoriduct of the late Ma rq uis of , 1e lt, Sliao, . opposing it they might put theinielves in -danger ,of val,.under *eel) circumstances, would be deemed as bad indulged himself i n a warmth of. expression. being carried away by the.curreet. If they Passed - severe a punishment as he could have deserved; had which could not easily' be. jestified, as whetier. Lord i liglitlyover the transadion then under consideration,. I he been intentibnally guilty, and , the negociatien Sligo bettor had' not beets er e uilly . was of little im 'rt- the' country' would say, f' the House of , Commons successful. Tice. guilt of intention ' was all that ance to those concerned that:discussion. 140 m l2cl nevernoticed or o ppos e d the sa l e of sears when Mi- bad been imputed : to hint, and of that the lost labou re d with trench anxiety wholly to ac nit the nisters were concerned, unless it could be proved speaker had aequitted 'hi t n, a silie Right Hon•Ceentlee. q ' Marqui s o f Sli go of every Unite- that had been they did it to put money in their own pockets." Hit tman had said lie did not believe, had the Noble Lord imputed to him ; hut Tae theughtit would have been ' thought thee should come to resolutions, : and then if seen it in.:mother point, of : iew, that be would. bare of greater importance to them '# cad he: , any its:ober 'Censure was proposed, debate' w hether concerned liielsell with it. It had been compared the living instead °fettle dead. Thour vindicate d . or not it shook! be passed. : lb a ease Of bribery; he would ask the dentletnati g a le trans- , . tedious hi wetich the Noble Lord had b • Mr. M-. StriroN thought that in this, as in 'every : who made 'the comparison,. if; in a case at bribery, fen concerried , . . ' ' -. • ' flided' - ou It t be he would proceed as lig tiowproposett tedo I Should g i • o Inightnot be of such a natore as to press so stione k, other.case, t he punt , orne.ot to . upon him as sLine might coneeive,the • . ' 'pr o por tioned to the crime. No bribery.--no itupro-, it I be prOVQ:I before a committee that two Sessietts Y did, yet lie n 'felt of opinion that 'a degree of. culpabilityattach. per aBk)lv i with tv view to his own private emolte. : ago a Member had unstieeesaluey tried to gain a seat itself to his character whichought ': : h ad b ' attribu ted' to the Noble 'Lord. lie :by bribery, would he have That Member punished; not to he pesser. meet, een t 'lightlyover. The opini , not an individual like him- therefore .slid , not think they could feel thettiseit es : now as if he had gainecl.his seat by,bribery I fits y imperiously calked on by their duly to th(Pir Cotnni- Not*.Prietul h.! , .1 item acquitted of the guilt of in self might not be very iMportant , but he certain! did think that it 'was to Atte last - tie Tee unconctiiti- tnents; to insert' the Resolutierit - on the .1 opritels cif ' tentien, yet still count they be . called upon to pass lional to y the House. ,He .-,cencurrecl with a Node Lord -on !. sentence with al/ the consequent punishment he. ad permit seats in that Horiset g o be au , ined'b :such means. It was inconsistentwith a d' 't ' , that Side._ of the House, (Lord Biening) ju s the pro- .i- before spoken of ?. ' Iles trop that be had planoed, ,their lent y, : - . Whe n Cillies t that t.:I a s i u ter . Order of the 111 ` ' ' and.which the Noble Lord had alluded to, from the them, traced o . descrytion - were brotight before. . 1 1 Fie.) 0 p .4.1.3, 9 the .. ..)•• . ample scope . it hid beets. allowed, p roved' the joie tothem . principals to pass ever as un- :. Mr..GRATrAN• %iced AIM' the' lion. Getitleman ~ . • . .., ‘vo t. i egrity of his OV.OI ItitelitlollS. 'He did not think they. , rt uytoetrattention. Theiion.Gentle -li isj dwho brut just tpun i shment s h ou ld .Inati a state s p at , . thelowould consultetillier the feelings of their coustituen is House that the Noble Lord did not appear aware- , ever beproporrioned to the Magnitude of the offence; .' or their own dignity , b , singling o u t f or -e 3 such.,:evei I) , f the • fact, that an Irish Peer could ' nut, sit in and lie therefore was of opinion that one of his Ma,. , punishment, a easete which so many alleviating cir ,t!'at House for an Irish borough. He did not he. • jesty's Ministers presiding . at the Board of Controul, sieve the Noble Lord had ever said it tea. 'err Irisil•• should, we being concerned in such a transaNien, _ cutustances were attached.. Ho therefore proposed, that they shedld pais ici the Order of the Day, not borough ; but if li e had made such a mistake, it be punished be deprivaliou of power. He didebe Was one of: those into -which . men were very opt to Nobly' Viscount the justice to -say, lie laid trade ;a because-that wawof any imp o r tance , b ut b eenuse i t fal l., That eircum s ta t ice, hid passed woolly tninn. very decent defence; but he uuderstood thatlie ac- , appeared to him tart* on tart on this sobjed 'teed by th e Committee, be therefore'thought shale knowledged the lad, -but denied that h e hail any , could be required. . Could he said, if in' this instance his Noble Frieed idea, -that it could be injurious to the Constoution.. Mie'Gthteleeitte; in explattatione said, be did l oat. Was in error. The Hon, Gentleman appeared to -He did not-believe that ;ie had any such idea:, but he I state it as his opinion that the,NobleeLord: was :not thitik it .was ridiculous to imagine that the Noble did Ole k that h e had eaed in an uti warrantable man- : guilty, ,but that he heliered heves not aware of the Lord boldi ti r' bats offices, could act improperly in . net to accommodate is friend. He-had violated the .ex fensiye effects of inch a transadti ou . , . t,,, fatal) situations,at one, time ; but for his .part, lie , c on s t i tut e it; but wa s not aware of the extent of the ' Mr. .p.ONLioNEY dec:arect, that irt what be bad to , '''' ! Oki not see why if h e c o uld hold two ilhCes at lifferiti of that violation ; the- e , ddesice on the table . obserrebn . the present question, nothing 'Was more once, it should not be as eabY to violat e as to a t tend was to substantiate th e former •; and it_was Int' t hem- remote horn mind thatirtniintention of hurling Gentleman's the.duties of both. However logical toe Heti. 'to etinsitie's if theee couldoverlooksthat teansaetieo, i the feelingsof •tbe. able ; Viscopsit whose condott ‘notleman's speech might be in every ether part, he i n eotiee t e s at i ee „t t h e la n e , : pA t h a t - neh -r sea r s could " was the objea of it ; what he wished snore perti. eeuld not but think in that. his`Was ansoltuely Mogi- tau be eeild without great injury to the , Co-astitutien; ' calarly to draw the attentiutt of the Rouse to 'Was, C1,',4 It was a great aggravation of the conditet of holding two oiiic-'s, the' -Noole Lord had use d t h e t h e impression-whieli the-case -of -the Noble -Yu -46 Noble Viscount, that :at. that perio d- he iat , as- one agiinst ttie tithci , ,' god both, to furthet.3ll obieti e mints aS it 6t90d1) 11)til'e face of-the evidericejiefote .r. , 4 . The House; was likely to Melee tip en ehe eeeee,, Abov aile%eatie ue . n sh he must affeet the enaradter ef the flee , ; z mons, both for the present and the t . a transaation . Was to be passed over lea out punishment, as the aineodment Lord would propose even - Witieen aei.ne f . or notice. His - conscience acid a stele! of . (lit,. perionsly called , upon him to .0 t11: - Nt: COOS lions to to the attention . of the House; Mr. BANKES was inclined to aeept a' middle line of proceeding, and especia ll y to observe moderati eta • „ . •in deciding upon -a question like the present. .Te e Right Hon. Gentleman entered at some length-in o a vindication of.the Committee upon Indic Petro,: age, of which he had the honour to be the Ch man, Many malevolent endeavours had been to misrepresent these proeeedings. There was niece room to complain in that respect of some of tee Daily. Newspapers, Which not 'only mils -stated the evidence. of a Mr. Fuller betbre the Committee, but , which ,had dealt in , unwarrantable insinuations against his Royal Highness the Duko of Cambride and even the first subject in the kingdom. ludetel, it seemed in a great measure to be in the charaCt.e. of these ill-fated times to endeavour to vilify whate, ever-was venerablue--to degrade 'whatever was dig-- trifled. Such was the spirit betrayed- ia the teen • relents that had been made on the evidence of Mr. Fud'sr, to acknowledge and, show ;fin his Ron! Highnzess the Duke of Cambridge Wils y l4illl • raut titikoxisrence of any pecuniary tratbas:..tt io, or that theirciosaelion it,clf, which .comtuented on, bed ever teken letaee. Iti e e t Honourable Gentle'enerrnext adverted to, and 'sated. the conchiti of th`e Marquis of arid 05. served how easy it was to take advantege of the liee and general manner in whit:litho eetes °filen Nohle Person had been couched. Whim- it as his .fr ire to see temper. and mod erat i on prevai i ie the dieert • sion and decision of the present trestion, ic , as , ready at the same to confess, that after the hid been so brought under the enuAidetation of the House, it would be wanting•botn to whai" Was dne' to the charadter of that House, to the eit- , potations of the co untry , not to pass upon s u ch- a tilleStloll to the Orders of the Day, but to pro oetieca upon it in the du e e xtent and pooportion the o;.. fens _which had been committed. l'he offence was not'only a Parliamentary but &moral tine: but still it should not be forgotten that it existed only in in tention, and had never proceeded into netiou. it Was his opinion that it should not however pass by unnoticed.; but some proportionate punishment should be devised for the offence. He should there. fore have no objection to vote for the second resolu tion; should it be :mitigated and ;brought down to the extent and natureof the offeneee - Sir FRANOIS BURDETT ha.i little to offer on the occasion, after what had beat ably stated by his Noble Friend (Lord A. Hainilton), , Nothing ap pealed to him ,more .weak, indeed ludieroes, then the sort of defence which was atteitipted to be set up of the conduct of the Noble Viseount, and tie was sorry'and sUrprised to see it resorted to by a, Right Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Bankes) who had.deservedly so much weight with that mod the Country. What ! was it to follcee t h en the conduCt of the •Noble. Viscount was innocent :eel blameless because theagreementhaci not ih'Orl ? Is it not evident that the Noble . Viscount w,i,; anxious the agtecinent should: be fulfilled ie it lid not, was not that the fault of the. interior ..,agents, who were not able to accomplish it : notof the'--Noble Viscount, who ~ brokteoef the busineSs, • only because it could- not ;tee brought to boar. the course of his speech, a Right. Hon, Gentlenien thoiNht proper...to assert that there were eerictio descriptions of people who . endeavoured to cry doWn .men of rank and, emiuence in the State. Ho knew of no such persons, nor did bethink that any iVretntSer eV that House had the.riglii or privilege to hold out such a charge against any such class of the tornolimity. It was a 'hard, and perhaps an unforttinate :cirooth staiiee, to attet,upt at a moinenterind under circum stances like the present, to' ealomniateeny elesieof the 'peopl e , when that House did not itself stand as high as it ought in, the estimation of the pm tiPlee Why not boldly and distil** name -what was. the, description of the people, who -were the perfit3 qs against whom such calumnies were direded'? ; at least knew of no class Jet' per Sons. who served t - be represented as disaffeded. Thelnii nuation was as dangerous ta theConatitution, as it was.injurious. to those against ybom .was The Noble Viscount had himself Confessed the guilt of his conduct. What more would the House re -quire ? But it is said, you . should -not convic: - I,im by his own evidence. Y et what evidence can be stip, posed more tor t ible than hiiown ccinfession ofguilt ? He says, indeed,,that he Used.hisinflueneO to,bring a friend into Parliament, only from 'a desire to sup, port: Goiernment. iint.did not this intluence con sist in a ;bribe ? And if there be a., law to punish enyindividual who 'gives a brine trt an election, is there to be no law against a Minister w h o would set cap this wholesale Wade of bribery ? The tbitig.was a grave-and heevyknience against the Censtitueion, and if the House ahowed it this night to- go um. punished, such. Conduct would tend thorn to pro- mute the cause of reform, than any thing which had yet happened. 'He wished, earnestly wished, -to see atebterS take, bp the business of, Reform them selves. It would come with a. good grace from them, and .be received with <f ratitude by the peo ple.. Such at least. Was the manner : ,, ; In which h' wished' to see, - Reform broughtabout. The. rk-s;re for Reform was mow so prevalent that there :cis no choice. but as to the mode' of bringing i about. The people might not know where. to begin, or where to. end it was therefore for Government-to originate themselves., . and diiect the operation. it was in-vain to attempt otherwise-.to cure the defter tnities of the Constitatiou, r.rhey could not at least be cured by putting out the eymeof the Coune try Jest it should observe them. Mr. GSORGB JOIDISToNE hiciill4 to the opinion. of Mr. Banker, and would willingly adopt the prin ciple of Mr. Flume, wbo advised moderation as the best guide in polities.. . • , . . Mr. H. LASCELLES imagined: tnat the case of the Noble Lord was somewhat similar to one in whielt Mr. Pitt had been placed, by granting' money out the consent of lilarliametit. The thing tee., ;r it, gular, thrlgh it Ass evidently intended for the ; of the country. '1 he intention. of the Npblo i d, no doubt, was the same, but still it wait pr,00 , 9 marl: the irregularity of the traninaion.,