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would be, that a democracy would first arise.; then men who had. not - come forward in' the first new order "oi thing's, would start' up, take advantage of existing circumstances for their own selfish purposes ar.d ambitions views, and .ultimately reduce the Government to an absolute Monarchy ; ... If Reform .was sanctioned, it would be -impossible to know t o w h at extent particulah parties mi g h t go. It was notes for the House ro decide, and this night they would have to record their opi nion„ He con jured them, therefore, to weigh well the conse queneres of the measure. H e should. -give his oppo sition so it, and in so doing, should r oe thereby su port'Ang a Constitutio n , which foc'`ages had afforded p- Pre Aeation to the subject, and beer, th e admiration of Sr rounding nations -- .- ' Mr. TIERNEY thought the Right'. Hon. Gentle .nan's apprehensions as to 1 - objea of the Peopl e in wishing Reform were it r-founded. They did not want to get rid of one , of the Branches of the Le gislature, all th a t t he' y wanted was a- full, fair, and free representatio: h. Reform-was become,abso lutelv necessary, ane 'whatever fate might attend the motion of his Hon .Friend this night; in a few years it musttake place —that Was his opinion, and nothing should deter hi' ree with tb a from thinking so. He was rea dy to u P gant notion, e -Right Hon. Gentleman that extrava on the subje'et of Reich in had been held out courted t' people, by persons who 'had lat e ly disclair and o'bta . ined momentary popularity. H e he a aed the opinions which they entertained, fatty eSpised such pretensions;- and v. ithout saying r thing more invidious, he would say that h e was r ••• ety public favour had fallen if to such hands.— He had no desire to run the race of popiffar fa vour, it was ar'ace indeed which he was-not ealcu-' lated to run, but he should discharge his duty con scientiously as a Member of Parliament. In the ne propositions for Reform there appeared to him to be no system. Some proposed that every freeholder should vote at elections—some thought that every louseholdershould vote—some wished the suffrage to be given to all men. If such was to be the case, in time perhaps it would be claimed for the women and children. With respect. to the necessity of do ing something that was evident, He thought that the House should be so constituted, as that the coun try might be Satisfied, and give theta new confidence. It might be said thatsthe House already-possessed the confidence of the'couritry, that he denied.; for as well as he could colleet, the People were sobred against their Representatives ; they beheld the house with symptoms of contempt. (Cries of Order, Order!) He did not saylthey ought to be so 'consider ed, but that Was the Public opinion. Queslions of a direct tendencyfiad been put to him upon the subject out of doors,' to which he was unable to give a saris . factory answer. He had been asked whether the votes of the House upon the Cintra Question were correCt. Whether the votes' upon the Walcheren Ingoiry were correct, but to those queries he could n o t give a satisfaaory anSwer. The public opi , 'lien of these two great questions would, he thought, have been more loudly expressed - had it not been that the caseOf Sir Francis Burdett intervened, To Sit Francis Burdett alone the Right Hen. Geutlernae owed his present situation, for had it not been -for him he would most probably have found himself :in a minority. This expressiou of.-astonisliment had not been confined to the, people out of- doors ' but had pervade both assemblies, for- many Mem- . b ers had complained of the - waste of bluod. and 'trea sure. The House had lost itself, and it was neces sary to retrieve its char mer. With respeel t o what :the Right Hen. Gentl eman v. le.) last spoke had said about the peeple loving wears, why so T hey might, but the attachment, he believed, was Not of long continuance. If the public feeling had been con sulted, they would not have wished their continuance sap long, to the - alinost irreparable injury of the coun try. At p . reent, the opinion of the Public was less regarded than formerly, --for it was rarely expressed in hat House. Thy; representation was . satii, t ,it the people anxiously desired an 'alteration. It had been said, that:mat - 1y coldmercial men held seats in that House; he knew ity and he knew,' like•• wise, that many seats had been bcughrt and sold. In most of the counties in England,. a candidate's pretesions %New not attended to unless they were contained in a long purse, . and it was well ascer tained that such pretensions we re admirable auxili • cries ' obtaining the object, .especiatly if there tr ere many. non-resident - voters.. With respect to the- alterations' to be made, so as to meet all the cases of abuse that was a is abject for the con- Sideairin of a ComMittee. • He. was no advocate tor the establishthent of a PernocracT; ail he wished. to See was a House of CenitnOrts - so form ed as to be enabled to keep a prcper check and controul Over the public expenditure, and the influ enceof the Crown. All' the Governmeets which had been alluded to pretended to possess the confidence or the people, when, in point of fact, they did not. Ile was not-friendly to depressing . the power-of the other' branches of the Legislative power;' 'on the ebnitary, he wished to preserve them entire, but not to' increase them, - It. had been sai d formerly that the power of the Crot o n had, increased, and ought to be diminished ; tt was the influence of the Crown alone that supported the. present Ministers ; they Contrived to retain their situations. A.- thorough Reform was necessary ; and being of that opinion, he should support the motion . of his Hon. Friend. • Mr, W. SMITH supported the motion. . Mr. PONSONBY declared his conviction that the ab • Staining of thd House during the last Session, from punishing the undue influence exerchied in elections by, some of its Members was the stimulant that had so powerfully excited the popular 'discontent on the subject of representation. Adverting to the . propo sition of his Hon. Friend to Alike off the burgage teneres, he observed, that he did not consider Vieth No obnoxious as the small Corporat ions, in which theie existed more venality . and less choke. . Supposing however, that they were 'equally bad, did it fol low 'that the Constitution - would by subverted by their correction ? These small Corporations origi nated'in the Crown. The'power - ot creating them hat long lain dormant, but it might be re-exercised to-morrow. The Crown could .create, bdf it could not destroy.. He did' not see anythiog in the/pro position of his Hon. Friend which involved the fun damental 'principles of the 'Constitution ; there was nothing novel, nothing dangerous, nothing that could snake the House of Commons so ch:triocratical as to overturn the other estates. The onlkobjeaion that he could imagine to his Hon: Friend's proposal was, =that if the House once began to a/zt in that way, it would be difficult to say Where they would or should stop; He admitted that this was a consideration of great moment, and involving it in a danger from which this country had hitherto been exempt. Great Britain was the only free country in which the frame of the Constitntion had not been the subjea of poli tical contest. In other free States these contests had been 'frequent. Hence in Rome the contests between . the Plebeians,-the, Patricians, the Equestrian Order,- and the Triburiatiary Power, by which at length the liberties of Rome were destroyed, the prevalence. of the Tribimatiary Power, and the letting in Of the Al banian cities, making a way for the subsequent de struelion of Roman freedom.`But in this country there . did not appear to him to be any such danger :"for the Crown had immense •power, the House of Lords had great power, 'and therefore there was no apprehen sion that-the democratic power, by a Reform of the HouSe ofCcimmons, would become too preponderant',. But, he woul.r ask the House, did they run no risk by refusing all Reform ? What was the opinion of the . sensible and Jefleding pArt of the community. on this subjea ? I-re had taken great pains to ascertain it,. and' he was persuaded that they were far from being, satisfied with .the present slate of the representation. Should the inquiry be entered into, and should it ap- - pear that the danger to be apprehended from any change was greater - than the benefit to be expected, the'people would be satiNfted. For his part he could not see the danger. His Honourable Friend sought not to subvert but to restore—not to improve by alteration, bot to bring back the ConstitutiOn of House of Commons to its original_prineiples. He wasfwilling.that the House ; should act as a skilful navigator would act in an intricate navigation, who Would not move without the lead and line in his band.--As to details Of any kind lie would not pledge himself to them ; and for that very reason he would vote for the appointment of a Committee. With the most perfect ebnviction on his . mind that there never existed so good a,Constitution as the British, he was of course desirous to preserve all that was estimable-and to abolish only that which was conressedly bad ; and above all tha t he was anxious not to -be supposed, to countenance that which it was the fashion- to call a radical reform. We have received further extraas from the Ger man Papers, some of the contents of which we gave yesterday. Accounts from Zara, in Dahnatia, state,. that . the Turks are assembling in great force, and, have occupied , all the strong places in that quar ter. Precautions were taking in Dalmatia and Il lyria against them. Several American and Turkish vessels have been captured and taken into Leghorn, the cargoes of whiCh are stated' at a million and a half of piasters. The same events have taken place at Trieste, and the cargoes are sequestrated. Gen. MAR NIONT has established a -Military Commission in the provinces ceded by Austria to France,- wiry all persons accused of Brigandage, &c. The great-con course of foreign troops on the Turkish frontiers pOrtends'speedy hostilities, and all. the Papers under French influence prediet the approaching do'wnfal of what they term Turkish Anarchy. Report speaki . of a grand expedition against the Porte, to be commanded by MURAT (the usurping King of Naples) in case Turkey refuses to shut herports against England, after a categorical demand from Austria and France. It is also said,that an Au strian,. Courier has been sent to Palermo with pro posals for the Court of Sicily, and the Frenelt Ex pedition against that country is deterred for the present. .The whole of the foreign papers announce speedy hostilities against the Porte, but manifest no signs of intended humiliation on the part of the latter. • Mr. W. WYNNE opposed the motion of his Hon. Friend, on the ground that a reference of the subject to a Committee would unsettle the mind of every wan in the country. When once the work of alteratioh Was commenced, it would be impossible to say how far it might go. He could by no means accede to', the appointment of such a Committee, without pledging himself to.some specific plan, and thiS he felt to be impossible. Ws, stated some time ago that .BUONAPARTE had issued a Decree for the confiscation of all American property in France, and for ordering all Americans to depart withotit delay ft'om the FrenCh territory. An official copy of that Decree has reached this country';, it is dated the 13th of March,. and has been - sent to..the Northern Powers for their.adoptio o. - Lord PORCHESTER said, that he had listened at tentivelTto alt the reason that had been argued on both sides. In his opinion there.was but - one mo tive that should induce the House to 'accede to the motion ; namely, the persuasion that such was ,the state of their organization, that_ a repeii:ion of the advantages which the, country had heretofore de rived from it could not be rationally'expected. Now, 'although he admitted that Oleic were tnanr faults in the Constitution of the Hduse; he could by no means go to that length. Among all- who had spoken during the debate, there were - not two who agreed'. in their ideas- of refprm, 1f the House went into the detail, they would soon find that they had not he Ird a_terith part of the vari eties of opinion which existed on the subject. Un less.the Housewished to throw the country into con fusion, they would_ not endanger that fibric which had been the pride and safeguard of the country.— On the whole, he should give' his decidrd negative to he motion, convinced that such a vague propo- Sitioa ciulJ not save but might ruin the country; at the 'acne time Le admitted that it siiould be consi dered how that systeni of venality which at present exist d could be best subda-C.d. An account . has'been received at the East India Howe that the ship Windham had been re-captured off Lodirigues, on the 2gth December lat, by his Majesty's ship Alagidenne, arid arrived at the Cape of Good Hope the 6th . February. Capt. STEWART and : his Officers arrived at, the Cape in a cartel from the Isle of .France on the 23d February. The IFindham proceeded to. India on the 4th of March. The following letter from Mr. ADAIR to ihe British Consul at Smyrna, is the best 'refutation of the insinuations in the French Papers, that the Porte was about to break off, her connexions with Great Britain. Mr. BRAND made a shoft reply, atter which the House Chvi,_!ed— " Constantinople, Feb. 22. " SlR—His Maje Sty . having been gracious!y pleased to permit me to return to England, I have to acquaint you, that, unless very unexpected events should detain. me, it is my intention to leave Con stantinople whenever the season becomes favour able. For the Motion 115 Against it - - . - • - - - - 2 34 Majority : The Howth Harbour Bill went partially thrqugb a COtholittee, the Chairman of which reported pro gress, atid obtained leave to sit again this•day., Mr. FOSTER MOvel the, second reading of the Irish L-aw Office Regulation Bill. Sir JOHN NEWPORT expressed his surprize that he did not see the offices of First and Second Re tneinbrancer among those which were to' be regu lated; " I should long ago hive executed this inten , tion, had I not perceived that the Peace between. Austria and France, and especially that article of the Treaty, which darrics the boundary of France t 3 the Saave, revived a hope in our enemies, of en gaging the Porte to break with Great Britain. " France had insisted on having created; evi- dently with a view of dictating the law at. Constan tinople, that- her first a& of good neighbourhood towards the Turks, would ,be to compel them, if possible, to go to war with us; no man could doubt that she would succeed. I never had the slightest _apprehension ; yet, with the fullest reliance on the good faith and honour of-the Porte, I did not think it right to quit the affairs of the British Embassy in a moment of even apparent difficulty, nor to sanc tion, by my sudden departure, the idle reports that had been disseminated, of approaching hostilities with this country. " The event has, in every way, answered my ex pectation ; the threats of France are disregarded, every 'demand, injurious to our ftiendly relation's with Turkey, has been rejected, with indignation, and our enemies are themselves convinced, they will best consult their own intersei by abstaining from a repetition of their own proposals. . " Under these circumstances I quit the Embassy, without a fear for the stability. of peace, and with the assurance that this powerful Empire is deter mined to assert its independence to the last, to sad here to its Trenies, and, if necessary, to put forth its whole force to maintain them. ' The CHANCE-LLOR of the . Excaß4uEksaid, that the Bill had heen framed in pursuance of a Report of a Committee, in which' these offices were not men tioned, but . he, wno objeaion to t heir introduction. Mr. POLE said; tte omission of these _offiCes had struck him as it did the Hon. Baronet, and he bead mentioned it .to his Right Hon. Friend (the Chan cellor of the Exchequer). " He thought - tirece offices ought certainly to he regulated as well a thenthers. The Hon. Baronet should not find him blinking any questioh of that kind, though he sometimes seem ed to throw out insinuationvto that effeci. The 'Bill was read a second time. On the motion of Mr. FOSTER, the House re solved itself into a Committee on the Irish, Light houses. Mr. FOSTER 'proposed a Resolution, to take the superintendance of these' Light-houses out of the bands of the Comthissioners of the Customs, and to entrust it to the Cofmnissioners in the Ballast Office; thus assimilating thal body to the Corporation of the Trinity in LOndon: He proposed another Resolu tion, 'to lay - a duty . of 6d. on all Entries inwards, outwards, anti coastwise, for the purpose of defray ing the expence of these Light-houses. Sir J. NEWPORT had no objection to the irriposi lion of the duty of sixpence. He thought,, how eVer, that as there were many great towns in Ire land very much interested in the trade of the coun try, it would be adtisable to allow each of these to send a cotnmissioner, to be associated with those belongin'g to that metropolis. • To this proposition Mr: FOSTER acceded; the'Re solut'onS were agreed to, and the Report was or dered to be received this day. The other Orders of ihe Day were then disroFed of, and -the I - Touse,adjourned at Three o'clock ibis morning. " R. ADAIR." • " Francis Merry, Esq. British Consul, Smyrna." LONDON : Printed by RICHARD HARRIS, of No. 4, Martlett-court, Bow-street; and Publishea by WILLIAM A RMIG ER SC RI l'l'S, South Moltim.street, GroFvenor square, •At the Surr.'oFrica, No. 112,,, Strand, where iidvertisements, Orders for the Paper, Letters for the Editor, - &c. (post-paid), must bt addressed: ' , The accounts from Cadiz are not erg• iTnporiatit Some sorties have been made, in the Spaniard 3 played the utmost steadiness and bravery. The Duke of A „ LBVQUERQUE; who came - front Cadiz in the Undaunted, has arrived Yesterday Mr. BRAND brought , forward•'iais Mo tion for an alteration in the present System of Ed" presentation, which, after a very long &Ante, ‘A rejected by - 234 to I 15. Yesterday morning his. MA'.IEST . V and Princess' AubusTA, with their attendants, took an siring 0« horseback in Windsor 'Park. The Duke of CAM.' BRIDGE reviewed the• Royal Stafford Militia its the . , sante Park, but there was n o firing allowed. Aker wards ,his Royal Highness joined his MAJESTY and , the Princess in their ride, and returned with them to the Palaee. The QUEEN and Princess ELLzAiIzVE took an aitiug to Fr - ogrnore Lodge, and walke,l the Gardems. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL yesterday moved for informatios against several persons for a riot and' conspiracy to compel the Managels . of the Liver pool Theatre to take half-price. . The information were granted. The Lord Mayor to-day ordered the price. Dr Bread to be advanced 3d. per peck. The Quartero Loaf will, on Thursday, be I s. 4U. • COMMON HALL.—The framers and supporters of the late Petition to the House of Commons asseirt- bled,yesterday, pursuant to public notice, in Guild" ball, for the purpose of taking into consideration Oa subjea of its rejeetion. The business was opened by the Loaf) MAYOR, who was followed Mr, FAvEL. The latter went over the hackneyed topics of such Meetings, and proposed a string of Resolu tions, couched in very violent terms.=---Mr.WAITK MAN next arose, and delivered'nearly - the same seri-. timents. He reprobated the abuse which had beets thrown on his party by the supporters of Guvern - Ment ; but he indulged himself in giving every c'P' probrious appellation he could devise to the latter, particularly those loyal and respettable characters who had signed the Declarations at the London ' Tavern. .Mr. KEM.BLE and Mr. DIXON vindicated themselves . against these random charges.L_Mr' QUIN .proposed another Petition to the House of Commons, which was seconded by Mr. W A ITIP' MAN, - and whiCh, as well as the Resoldtiobs, wer e " passed, but mot unanimously. The Meeting ther? • voted Thanks to Lord ERSKINE, Sir S. RomILLIE and others. The; Meeting was not quite so gisor° derly as on formerly occasions,• but those who pre"' stained to defend their conkludt, or to express ihe smallest dissent from the opinions and aims of th e Majority, received strong marks of diapprobation• A new Burletta' was last night introduced at the" Surrey Theatre, founded on the admirable Comedy • of The .Beaux Statagem. The chief incidents of the piece, and as much of the dialogue as could be-in' troduced in a composition of this nature, ,wero a tained, and the whole, ev e n co ns id ere d i n drania' tic point of view, in which it must necessarily sutler by a comparison with he excellent original, e"* ceeded what might reasonably be expede,l. CONDELL, a musician of well-merited repute, corn` posed some of the airs, . viz. a duet between Bolt'" face and Cherry ; an •air for Mrs. Sullen ; Loc' Catechism between ArCher and Ch err y, a IWO . f . d` for Aimwell, and the finale, in all of which his usual taste and science are - apparent.- The lest e a the music was supplied by Mr. SA NDERSO N, Leader of the Band, and Mrs. ELLIsToN,• and it l ' very creditable to both, particularly the Lady. •E k ; LISTON performed the part of Archer. The hous e was well attended, and the piece was much plauded, • PORTSMOUTH, MAY q , l.—Caille in 'this day Il i° Majesty's ships Sapphire from the Cape of GO a Hope; and Implacable from Cadiz. ArriVed his Majesty's ships Dexterous.and Gener 4l Cariclaure from a cruize, and Loire from i' mouth. • • Arrived the Whilelmin,a, Andrey, and AUrora, Wegbt l-tn• , from Alicant ; Milwood, and Sturbuck, trothGibralto ' Mercurius, ISonman, from St. Übes ; arid the Dunmore' Williamson, from the Downs; for New Providence. His Majesty's ship Sarpedon takes convoy to the Downs. SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. NEWMARKET SECOND SPRING MEETING, /8")' MONDAY, MAY 2t. s Gen. Gower's Maid of Orleans; Bst. 81b. beat Gen. o venor's Chryseis; Bst. Ab. M. z oo gs. it.-5 to I ` l " ' Maid of Orleans. r' s I.d Kinnaird's Brandenburgh, Rst. 71b. beat Gen. GO" 4 C. by Worthy, fist. 51b. Two-yr old Course, sogs• ---6 1° Brandenburgh. Sweepstakes of tongs. each, h. ft. for fillies, Bst. Sl b. Two-yr old Course. Mr. Shakspeare's f. by Bobtail, out of Catherine . 0 Mr. Vansittart's f. by Cesario, out of Peahen " 5 Gen. Grosvenor's t. Spell, by Sorcerer - - ' 2 to 1 on Mr. Shakespeare's GeV' Ld C. Somerset's Windsor, 4 yrs old, gst. 61b. peak . c o G rosvenor's Ratnaquin, .3 yrs old, 7st. Sib. - 1 wo-) r ` D zoogs. on Windsor. D. r ot Rutland's Salvator, s est. 515. beat Ld F. I.3enti atic'S Persian, M. M. rsogs. h. ft.--4 tO lon Salvatof: ~ Mr. Vansittart's bUrleigh, Bst. 610. beat Ld F. Beritin:X..: Trump, Bst. ilb. Ab. M. to-gs. 11. ft. stoa on liurlete Sweepstakes of loop. each, h. ft.. Across the flat• • i Sir 1. Shelley's Fanny, 7st. Slb. - " 0 li4r, Shakespeat's Tumbler, bst. 915. • .• 3 Ld G' H. Cavendish's Bramble, 7st. 121 b. - 4 Mr. Payne's Bulrush, 7st. tzlb. - - - . • 2to t agst Fanny-5 to 2 agst Tumbler. D. of Greifion's Pope, 7st. 710. beat M r. ShaNe , ,„ 1 Harpocrates, Bst. 71b. Across the f -- lat, 2oogs. 5 tc:":31:5 Pope. Mr. Pavne's b. c. by Waxy, out of Tarantula, B st' e. beat Mr.Vansittares b. c. Gloster, by Cheshire Cheese , 41b. R. M. zoos. tt.-6 to on Mr. Paye's b 5 Ld Darlington g 's Musician, Ss 4 t. 131 b. beat Ld Grosv crj° ; i• Benvolio, 21st.. Act. ss the Flat, 2oegs.--li to 8 agst cian. filliesW' Sweepstakes of tocis. each, h. ft. colts Sst. 71b. 21b. Last 3M.0f8. C. D. of Grafton's b. c. Doleful by Sorcerer (walked over) Lc -I.d jersey's Robin, Bst. 41b. rec. front Ld D a rlington , vans, 7st. 1 t Ib. • Twoly r old-Course, 2oogs. r D. of Grafton's Doleful, Bst. 710. tee. scgs. from • Kinnaird's Don Juan, Bst, 214. Ab. M. toogs. , rec• Mr. F. Craven's cit. t. farinette, by King Biadud , d ,— d oot from Mr. Scrope's c. by Allibrosio, out of Stapliitotis Bst. 31b. Two-yr Course, toogs. 25gs. ft. MAILS. ARAI:MED—I Waterford. DUI-2 Gottenburgh, t Lisbon, i Dublin, i Waterford. PRICE OF STOCKS 'TATS DAY AT TWELVE O'CLOCK. Consols 701,. THE. SUN. SOLEM QUIS DICIRE FALSUM AUDEAt L 0 N D 0 N, TUESDAY, MAY 22, 1810. b It. ~;~;,`A if t. 1 : , ie. ' . , ,r 1 : 4; 4 , ?et c ; 11,1 t;