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cans they had received no orders froia Captain Matthews.—(Hear, hear, from the Tories.) The Bills for the treeeing were all taxed and reduced by the agent .for Captain Matthews.—(Hear, hear.) A certain dede e s. eierewes nestle from every nm—some were reduced by one h 01( 5f their amount, and others by one quarter—others were rtlue-_,..." by 10 per cent . ; but mere tees no role which seemed to it:DI - ate the deductions in those Mlle, It was suggested by the Couing) for the petitioner that pine liable, those deductions were male tecause the Bi'ls contained in lbilo' A charge for treating afro; 0r. , , test of the writ; end, k'evis)Whlg that was illegal, they had deelteeted so much for the Mlle, That suggestion was received by the Members of the Ceseanittee as a probability. lie sled not eoncur in that probability—(Hear) —and, for this reessoele kAht the treating 'tent on. for twenty.five days. If there were' tee days for that beyond the testing of tee writ, then there weeetel here been a deduction Tula every'Etlil of one fifth. That wax efet the case, and the nebileens therasielres swore the deductions wsre Merle because , 4 .0 hill; were too hash—(Cries of " Hear.") One said that the o.l9oction was made !because Mr. Buckland considered the niite were too high i ew.other said Mr r'nek""l's COmenitlee hest taxed the Bill; and those sta'e ments induceileitm to think deductions retold net nett been male on the see " ennt e'' , l'll for, end therefore he was ?it npinion that trresting was prover!, — (Liear, hear.) The Hon, ileritteman opposite 'has of a centrery epiresee_cc cent sr beers.) However, it did appear to him to be gto justice in every sense of the word. Other Members formed t heirnpinions on their own mode of reasoning, as he (Mr. E.) did his. Independent, of these circumstances, the witnesses called to prove the tre flog were unwilling witnesses—they gave as little evidence as they coeld, and every '` , Tensber, he had no doubt, was impeessed with that opinion. Another point way,' that an account book which was required wes not produced, ant it Was proved that the son of the person tore the leaves out of 'the book. As this unentnnate letter hid appeared, he Legere! to say he Was the last person in the world who would attribute motives to Hon. Gentlemen who sat in so serious a position. He would net impute to them feelings of th it description, however much he leelelit differ `..,0m them in opinion,--(Hear, hear.) 'Captain MATH F; WS did not feel authorised to:diode to the evidence ;given in the Committee, although he had been e witness of its proceed ings in the room the IS bole time. But with regard to the assertions 'made by the late Hon. Member in his letter he would, in the first place, altogether deny the existence of what he was pleased to call a combina tion. Treating hart been the practice of Shafteeteiry during all the elec tions which had taken place there, but the treating at the late election had been earned on not only without his (Captain Mathews's) consent, bat against his directions. It was said by the Hon. Gentleman that the landlords. who were examined appeared to be unwilling witnesses, He wondered that, %Neill his usual acumen, the Hon. Gentleman should have come to such a conclusion. The fact was that they had only been al lowed ha;( their bills. One of them complained that he had been ruined by the election, and it was the interest of all to have a renewed contest. He regretted exceedingly what hid taken place. Lord WORSLEY thought that as the evidence was to be printed it would be tic Well to postpone any further discussion of the matter until the eveience was distributed. Mr. lILACKSTONE could not consent to the proposition of the Noble Lord. - Mr. G. PALMER said, with respect to the case before the Com mittee, it would of course be competent for the House to judge of the facts when the evidence was before it. But, whatever the contents of the report might be, he wished to know whether the House would per. it Gentleman not then a Member of it to do that for which, if he were a Member, he would be called to order by the Speaker ?—(Hear,) Mr. O'CONNELL should not have spoken on the subject but that his case had been alluded to. What had the douse gained by that pro ceeding ?—(Hear, hear.) It was a had precedent, and ought not to be followed up. It had been said that the House had nothing to do with the truth or falsehood of the allegations. Now, suppose they were all well-founded, were they to punish him for the truth ? It was but right to have the evidence before coming to a conclusion. They had come to a stage With respect to those Committees that rendered it most important for the House to set itself right with the public.—(Cheers.) Did that cheer mean aeprobation or condemnation of his opinion ? (Renewed cheering.) Then why take this isolated case and seek to make a victim ? He would not propose that Mr. l'oulter should attend. It was said that Gentleman would make an apology. If he were in his 1 menses he certainly would not. Having deliberately written and signed the letter, iliac were now to apologise his position would not be an enviable one. After a few words in explanation from Mr. BLACKSTONE and Mr O'Co:veeet., Sir I', FREMANTLE said that there would be no necessity for calling the printer, if Mr. Poulter avowed the authorship of the letter. Otherwise, the House must lose a day, in proceeding after the usual manner. Lo'd J. RUSSELL would merely make two remarks, The House on a former ocecasion, in a case of this kind, had decided that they should proceed. He would again repeat that he was of a contrary opinion. He was every day more and more convinced that the more dignified course to be pursued was, to allow such things to pass unnoticed. With re spect to the Shaftesbury Election Committee, he would not enter into the merits of the question. It was the regular tribunal for the trial of such questions, and he should presume that they had conscientiously ad hered to the oaths, and impartially fulfilled their duties —(Heer.) With respect to the letter, he had no doubt that it was a genuine document. Neither had he any doubt that the writer was as had been slid, a person of ardent temperament. With regard to the expressions in the letter, he would only say that anonymous charges were every day made on the Committees, and including the conduct of Members on both sides of the House, imputing corruption and unfairness. So far from being preju diced against the writer of the letter, it had increased his - (Lord J. Russell's) respect for hire, inasmuch as he thought there was more courage in giving his name, than in making an anonymous charge. The gallery was then cleared for a division, but none took' place, the motion having been agreed to in our absence. SLAVERY ABOLITION AMENDMENT BILL. Lord J. RUSSELL moved the Order of the Day for going into Com mittee on this Bill. Sir G. STRICKLAND gave notice that he should, after Easter, move the total abolition of slave apprenticeship. Lord STANLEY presented a petition from certain parties (as we un derstood in London), praying that the operation 'of the Bill before the House should not extend to Barbadoes. Mr. J. STEWART rose to move that it be an instruction to the Corn. mittee on the Slavery Abolition Act Amendment Bill, to insert a clause providing that negro apprenticeship shall totally cease on the Ist of August, 1838. The Hon. Gentleman brought up his motion. After a few words from the SPEAKER, a short discussion arose on the question as to whether the motion be entertained as an instruction to the Committee, in which Mr. Warburton, Lord Howiek, Mr. Ward, Mr. Jervis, Mr. Goulburn, Mr. P. Howard, Sir E Sweden, aed the Chan cellor of the Exchequer took part. It terminated in the withdrawal of the 'motion. On the question that the Speaker leave the chair, Sir E. SUGDEN explained briefly to the House the reasons which induced him to waive all opposition to the Bill. They were the atop. tion by the Government of certain suggestions which he had embodied in clauses, with a view of proposing them in Committee. The first re /ated to the flogging of negroes in prison. He found that the Govern ment meant to make it imperative that no punishment of the kind should take place except in the presence or by the order of a special magistrate. That was all he required. They had met the second by oposing to give eac h C o l on i al Governor in Council a power of making h regulatio ns f or t h e treatment of slaves in hospital as he deemed tit, us affording a coatroul over t h e l oca l legislation. The third was, that apprenticeships sho u ld cease and det erm i ne a l together in August, , 8-10. To additio n t o th ese, h e trusted that the condition of the free children would be attended to by the Government, Mr. BAINES wished to know whether it was the intention of tile Government to remedy the evils arrising from the imperfect marriages of the slaves. Sir 0 GREY said that t4e Government were extremely anxious to remedy the evil, and only waited until they should ascertain whether the Colonial Legislatures would entertain the subject or not. If they did not, the Government were pledged to introduce a measure for the purpose; but he should be extremely glad to give any welLeonsidered measure brought in by the lion. Member himself, or any other Hon. Member, his best support. Mr. E. BULLER gave notice that he. should move a clause for the purpose of exempting female negroes from field labour altogether. The House then went into Committee on the Slavery Abolition Bill. Clause I was verbally amended. Clause 2 pas eel without esterase). Clause 3 was ainentleil, on the motion of Mr. BULLER, by the addi tion of the words—"'That no apprenticed labourer from whom such allowance shall be withheld shall be liable to p nishment during the period that such allowance shall be withheld from him. Clause 4 was passed unaltered. Chute 5 was verbally amended. Clause 6 was passed unaltered. Clauses 7,8, 0, and 10 were agreed to. Clauses 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, and 10 were agreed to, with some verbal ainendmeets. On clause 17 being proposed, Str G. GREY moved to amene the clause by introducing a provision that ne female apprentices shall be punished by labour on the tread mill, or in any chain or by whipping. The proposition was agreed to. Mr. BRISCOE moved that "the cutting off the hair of female ap prentices, and other indignities," sheted be included with the exemp tions of the Hon. Baronet's amendment. Sir R. PEEL said it would be inconvenient to legislate for minutim. Sir G. GREY and Lord ,lofts Reamer. concurred with the Right Hun. Baronet, and the amendment was withdrawn. The remaining clauses of the Bill were then agreed to without discus. slots, except the 25th, which was struck out. Sir G. GREY thew proposed a clause rendering it lawful for the Go. vernor, with the advice of the Council, to make such new regulations as to the treatment of imprisoned apprentices as to him should seem fit.— Agreed to. Mr. GLADSTONE proposed a clause to the effect that the Gorernor should report to the Parliament at home the circumstances attending any maniiini::sion of apprentices that might take place, and with ether ob.. jects which we could not catch.—Asreed to. Sir G. GREY proposed another elause, that no persons should be bound by any indenture of apprenticeship in any colony after the Ist or August, 18.10, except the Mauritius, in which indentures should not be binding after the salve day in 18 41.—Agreed to. Mr..l, STEWART then moved a cl,,ttse for the total abolition of negro apprenticeship in. the island of Jamaica on the Ist January, 1839. Mr, WARD seconded the motion. The Hon. Gentleman then al luded to the speech made by the Zion. Member far Newark (Mr. Glad. atone), and said that he found it impossible to reconcile the statements made by that 'don. Gentleman with the facts which had come to his knowledge with regard to the working of the Slavery Bill, and Lb' con duct of those by whom its provisions were to he carried out in the coin. nies. He consid2red the House ought to agree to the principle of this motion being adopted in the is!and of Jamaica at leant.—(Hear, hear.) He should certainly support the motion of his Hon. Friend, if he pressed it to a division. Sir G. GREY said that as this part of the subject had been so recently under discussion, it Was necessary for Min only to say that if the lion. Genticm,..n pressed his motion he should feel it hie duty to oppose it. Lord STANLEY thought that this explanation of the Hon Gentle_ Man ought to be satisfactory to the petitioners. Mr. O'CONNELL denied that the question embraced in the lion. Gentleman's motion had been decided, and said that agitation on the subject would only end with the deteimination of the term of appretil tieeship. Mr. - YATES should oppose the motion of the Hon. Gentleman. H Mr. WHITE should support it. Mr. P. HOWARD and not think that the amancipation of the n!': grries ought to be effected until a proper system of Poor-laws vitti adopted. Tilf House then divided. The numbers were— For the motion 6l Against it ... ...... 115 Majority --54 On Our readmission to the Gallery we found Out this and the re. maining Clauses of the Bill had been agreed to, and the House then reiume:f. The Report, o❑ the motion of Lord J, RUSSELL, was ordered to be read to-morrow (this day). Mr. HA WES begged to ask the Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell) whe ther it was his intention to proceed with the Benefices Pluralities Lill, which stood amonz the Orders for that night, before the recess Lord J. RUSSELL was understood to say that it was not the inten. tion to go on with that measure until after Easter. The Poor Law Loans Bill, after a brief conversation between Mr. Goulburn, the Solicitor-General, and the Chancellor of the Exchequer, passed through a Committee and was ordered to be reported. The Committee on the Municipal Corporations (Ireland) Bill was postponed until after Easter. Lord STANLEY said that, as it was difficult to find the Honourable and Learned Gentletnan the Attorney.neneral for 'lreland in his place, he wished to asked the Noble Lord the 8-s.cretary of State for Ireland when the Bill relating to the registration of voters in Ireland was to be brought in? Irchuntrable and Learned Gentleman promised to twirl" !t, lyefore this, but he had not done so, and the reason why hr ` - k Lord Stanley) asked the question was because ht it "desirable t' - at it should lie en the table of the Easter' in order that information respecting its PeO v; ! 4 :Otis might be obtaine.l 14rom IreLnd. Lord I(3l trFAl‘" said that the Iriegteit AitC4ndani::',`:..' of his Right ton. the Attorney - -geniral t`e , : ItAnd, he was sorry to say, we• caused by serldnii iiiclDp,?.tloti. It was his intention to lay the Bill on the tab'e of 'Olt Mouse, so as that it might be printed before the Eastci The Court of Sessions (sert!arci) itikk 't ' he eokirts (Scot- Innd) Bill were tAth tininifted*O, t fbrissis. PARKER iireqerttol pctirinn, very numerously and respect- Abty signed, from the inhariiiants of Predon, in Lancashire, engaged it, the ma;lufaetnrt or spinning yarn. The peritientts begged to call the attentitsh of the House to the Mains in_tltosed by the French and Belgian Governnr nts maiiiifertUrt:s imported from this country into theirs, an:l they prayer thllt equivalent duties might ts* laposed by this coun try on manufactures of those ersontries in particular, especially on in order to teach the rtench Government the necessity of main_ raining her enmaiert'ial relations with this country on liberal print pies. The petittrm was ordered to be printed. Tie °thee Orders of the Day svcre then disposed of, and the Horisc a!ljourned at a Guarter past Leven o'Clock to tomorrow (this day.) HOUSE OF LORDS, APRIL 6. The I,OIID CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack hi five o'clock. Lord KENYON pCesentert a petition praying for the immediate abolition of N4ro Slavery. He could not agree with the prayer of the petitionerS. Ile did not think that Parliament ought to break good faith with the planters. Moreover he entertatned considerable doubts whether it would be for the benefit of the slaves that their freedom should be accelerated. Lord .110SEBERY presented a petition from the Minister and Elders of the United Secession Congregation of Edinburgh, against any further endowment to the Church of Scotland; also a petition from another place to the same effect. Mr. BERNAL and others brought up several private Bills. ROMAN CATHOLIC OATHS. The Earl of SIT REWSBURY, in consequence of seeing the papers ,hich had beets laid en their Lordships' table by a Right Rev. Prelate then in his place (the Bishop of Exeter), gave notice that on an early day after the recess he should feel it to be his duty o bring the subject of these papers under their Lordships' consi deration. He trusted—indeed he felt perfectly convinced—he should be able to prove, that the oath taken by Roman Catholics remained now as it did previous to the opinion of the Pope of Rome having been com municated to the Bishop of Malta; and that that opinion did not con- vey a condemnation of that oath. He trusted he should also bre able to convince their Lordships that he did not belong to those who, it had been laboured to shave, had in their minds removed from them every sacredness of an oath, and who set at nought the guilt of perjury. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition from the Methodists of Boston in Lincolnshire ; and also a petition from the inhabitants of the borough of Boston, praying for the imme diate abolition of Negro apprenticeship. On the motion of Lord KEN YON, the Bradford and Huddersfield Road Bill was read a second time, and the Shrewsbury Road Bill a first time. NEGRO EMANCIPATION. Lord NORTHAMPTON presented a petition from the Society of Friends of Northampton, praying for the immediate abolition of Negro apprenticeship. He, for one, felt it his duty to state that he entertained considerable doubt of the prndence and the justice of the course wished to be pursued by the petitioners. Earl FITZWILLIAM presented petitions from Skiptown and seve ral other p'aces to the same effect. As the Noble Lord who had just sat down had taken the opportunity of expressing his opinion upon the subject, it was perhaps a duty which he (Earl Fitzwilliam) owed to those who had entrusted him with their petition, that he also should state that he entirely dissented from the views of the peti tioners. Ile felt greatly honoured by their intrusting their petitions to him, because it seemed to be an evidence that they thought his opinion coincided with their own. He did entertain the same opinion with the petitioners upon the subject of slavery generally in •ur Colonies; but still he had more than a doubt of the wisdom of interfering with that provision which had already been made for the termination of slavery, inasmuch as he did not believe that such in terference would be consistent with justice to the planters, and injus tice to the planters could hardly be set at defiance by the friends of negro emancipation, merely on the ground of humanity. The Marquis of SLIGO presented a great number of petitions for the abolition of the apprenticeship system, of which we did not collect the names. Lord LYNDHURST presented also a number of petitions from Byerly, and other places in the West Riding of Yorkshire, to th• same effect. ARUNDEL PEERAGE. Lord LYNDHURST presented a petition from a claimant to the Arundel Peerage, which was laid on the table. FACTORIES BILL Earl FITZWILLIAM presented a petition from parents of children employed in woollen factories in the West-Riding of Yorkshire, praying for alteration in the Factories Bill, so far as it relates to woollen fac tories, in which the health of the children is not so much affected as in cotton factories, where a high temperature is required. NEW POOR LAW BILL. The Earl of WINCHILSEA gave notice that after the recess he would introduce a measure for the improvement of the New Poor. law Bill, with respect to diet and labour in workhouses, and nut-door relief. He was a friend to the system of giving labour to paupers in workhouses, but he objected to the system which was pur sued in some workhouses, especially in that of tte Bridge Union, in the county of Kent, where paupers were compelled to carry a bag of sail,' for three hours daily. He had supported the Poor Law Bill in all its stages, but he thought that in its practical operation it required amend. ment. Earl rrrzwiLLlAM said that the complaint of the Noble Lord applied to the conduct of the Local Guardians, and not to the Commissioners.—(Hear, hear.) He thought, therefore, that the Noble Lord ought rather to bring in a Bill to extend the authority of the Coin. missioners over the local officers than to abridge it. The Earl of WINCHILSEA said that his present object was merely to bring the attention of the Commissioners to the proceedings going on in the Bridge Union. IRISH CHURCH COMMISSION. The Earl of ItIPON rose to move for a return of papers con vected with the Irish Church Commission. He was one of those who, in the year 1833, being a Member of his late Majesty's Government, concurred in recommending to his Majesty to make to Parliament that speech which suggested the measure generally known as the Irish Church Temporalities Bill. lie always had the strongest impression that the well.working of that law was essential to the welfare of the Church of Ireland, and that no measure could be proposed for the settlement of any question connected with that Church, which was not directly and intimately connected with the principles and provisions of that Bill. He had consequently frequently felt it to be his duty to re quest information as to the practical operation of that measure, and such was the object of his present motion. That Bill originated in a recten. mendation made by the Crown to Parliament, and that recommendation was couched in words which to his mind had an important bearing upon the whole subject. The words were these--" In your deliberations on these important subjects, it cannot be neoessary for me to impress upon you the duty of carefully attending to the security of the Church esta blished bs law in these realms, and to the true interests of religion." Such were the principles upon which the subject was to be considered ; and he could see nothing in a subsequent paragraph to separate the case of the Church in Ireland from the general principle before stated. That paragraph was as follows;--" In the further reforms that may be needs sary, you will probably find that, although the Established Church of Ireland is by law permanently united with that of England, the peculiari ties of their respective circumstances will require a separate considera4 lion." That paragraph, therefore, contained a reiteration of the per.. manent union by law of the two Churches in England and Irelands! In conformity with those principles was the language of the Ministers oil the Crown in explainin'g the measure, and, on the first day of the deba'e: in that House, his Noble Friend the First Lord of this Treasury (Earl! Grey) said, " That the apprehensions of mischief intended against the: Church had been guarded against in the construction of the leing's 4 Speech ; he wished to provele for the Church on strictly Conservative! sentiments." Such were the sentiments of the whole Government-- such were the only sentiments which could have induced him to con.. sent to the measure. Objections had undoubtedly been made to the' measure; but, considering the sweeping nature of its provisions, it was not very likely to have passed at all, sinless the language of the Government, and the framer of the law, had given security to the friends of the Church. By none had these sentiments been more strongly urged than by the Noble Marquis (Lansdowne) who had been then an.l was still the President of the Council. The objects of the measure were distinctly stated to be the safety of the Church ; and the Bill was a species of Parliamentary pledge that those objects ought to be a them! to. For the purpose of attaining those objects the law had directed a Commission with powers so large that the peculiar circumstances of the Irish Church alone could justify them; those duties wore, then, of the most important and re sponsible nature, and had nothing since occurred which increased ten fold, nay, a hundredfold, the importance and responsibility of their citifies ? Was the language now held confined to complaints of the ex treme inconvenience of tithes ? Was the language vague and indefinite? Had it not swelled into fierce and violent denunciations ? Were not tithes now called a grievance, and that in high places ? That alone was sufficient to make the friends of the Church uneasy, and anxious to welch with zealous care every measure intended for its benefit. Then, again, was there nut the resolution of 1835 in the House of Commons ? If he were to express his opinion of that resolution he should say that it was the most absurd, impolitic, and mischievous resolution of which he had ever hearts; it was so mischievous that its mischief was not qualified by Its absurdity. Iler Majesty's Government had ever since been bound hand and foot by it; and he verily believed that they would give up almost their existence—(A laugh)—if they email get rid of lt. The consequence was that year after year they had been Compelled to bring forward measures in which he never Could discover anything, except that they endeavoured to create a surplus by first creating a deficiency. Such circumstance.; jus. tided him in requiring information as to the practical operation of the law. He would first state the actual condition of the Commission, and the demands pressing on it. The Noble Lord here entered into a variety of arithmetical details respecting the Report of the Commission, and the demands crossing upon the Commission. He then proceeded to ob. nerve, at the time the Commissioners of Public Instruction reported, there were no less than 465 benefices, varying from 30/ to 2001, per annum. There were also 118 livings, varying from 2001. to 2501. per annum. Their Lordships must know that in all the plans devised, one part of the proposition had been to diminish the tithe composition by three tenths. If this principle were applied to the 118 livings it would bring them all down below 2001.—in fact, to 175/. as a maximum; and if the others were reduced, the minimum would be 201. and the maxi. mum 1751. per annum. In order to ratite these livings to 2001. per au_ num, it would require a, annual income of sixty thousand pounds; and to meet th's the Commissioners had not one farthing to dis. tribute except the bounty of two former Primates of Ireland, who had left a fund for the purpose. This was all the Commissioners hail to give, and he must say, as the matter stood, that this was all they had or could do towards increasing the small livings. In any set tlement of the ail'airs of the Irish Church the Government was bound to keep in view the destitute state which he had demonstrated. The Noble Earl concluded by moving for certain rsturns respei ling the Irish Ecclesiastiwl Commission, and of the perpetuities sold under the Church Temporalities Act. Viscount MELBOURNE said that the papers which his Nublc Friend had moved for were so proper to be granted that it was almost unnecessary for his Noble Friend to tell him beforehand what the papers were for which he intended to move. He had nothing to ob serve on the remarks made by his Noble Friend respecting the objects, character, and intentions of the Act passed in 1833. He, however, certainly coincided in the view taken by the Noble Lord, for he consi dered it as a Bill for the support of the Church as far as it had a ten. dency to support that Church, and he also thought that it was incum bent on the Government to confer those benefits on the Church of England in Ireland which were intended to be given by that Act. With respect to what his Noble Friend had stated respecting the Commissioners, he understood that he cast no blame upon them, either fur the manner In which they had executed the ob j,:cts of the Bill, or for the manner in which they had discharged the trust reposed in them. In fact the Bill ivas speculatiive, very much like a Railway Bill—a Bill out of which the funds were to be supplied from the amount of property afterwards. The funds, from circumstances, had ceased entirely. However Noble Lords on the other side bf the House might like this result, they could not be surprised at it, because they said that it would be the result. The Noble Earl had animadverted on the resolutions of the House of Corn rnons, and upon various measures brought before it, before or subsequent to those resolutions. His Noble Friend would, perhaps, recollect thi,t there was a measure in 1834, previous to those resolutions —a measure . . . not embody hi viinciple; and which, if adopted,, would have led to 4settlerient of the:Cilissticri Bid vi'as rejected; and on grounds whieh . he slionld bier think exii - ern . bly and he emit,' not help believipg that ilict; 4 4 eli3it.l;l4tY Was lost or puiting the churn 61 ivigiand in Ireland upon a footing which would have led to .ouch more favourable auspices than those WhiCh present ettl4.l. Noble Friend had given advice a 1,4 iatt. :irige which tlictty (the ViOveiositr:lll) nold respecting the Church. --(Hear, heal', hear.) They had lately been in the habit of receiving a ;rent deal of advice on the subj,et. A Noble Earl (iladdiogton), not now present, gave some advice, and so had others. A Noble Dukc had also given striii atiViee. With rcAtielq to the tfoble Knife and thE NOhlt Lords *ho had thitni 601R= -- "and ,Viscount M.lbritirtie) ga6cu thein ildrfeci credit for the sincerity of their dvice—h, believed they would he glad to ate the Government strong and bringing forward such measures as they could approve of, BUt hots natty could these Noble Lords rely on ? now Many others agreed with them, and how many CAM they carry along in the o'dect they ltd tit icw ? tie believed that he truly stated the motives with whirl' they offered their advice ; but they were not alone. And what was their ad vce ? Translate it Into p'i'n English and the meaning was this. "Dc not think of your supporters—of the peop'e of the country who support sou. On the contrary do what you can to grattry and pl,ase those who are your decided opponents, tho,e who hare evinced towards you nothing t the bittere.4 hostility," That was the advice which the Noble Duke in his (Viscount Melbourne's) situation would not be inclined to follow; - toil this he would say, that they had never, and they would never bring iOrward any measure that they did not think founded on r;ght, without reference to the opinions of this party or of that, and with the view of supporting the Protestant Church, as well as the other institutions of the country. The Noble Duke on a former occasion said that there was a great change in the policy of the Government as compared with that of former Governments. That they neither encouraged the Established Church of England, Ireland, or Scotland, nor the Churches in our Co. lonia) dependencies. The word encourage did not appear to him (Viscount Melbourne) to be the proper term to use. Encou ragement was fora nascent state, or from principles of which the utility and soundness were perhaps not generally known and acknowledged. He he would say, in the more proper language employed by the last speaker, that it was the duty of Government, and that it was the inten tion of Government,to maintain and to defend the Protestant Church as established at the Reformation, and the Church of Scotland as established by law. If the Noble Duke meant by encouragement that..measures were In be taken for devoting ecclesiastical property in a much larger proportion than the wealth of the country—(Hear, hear)—at the pre sent day, he (Viscount Melbourne) would say, that it was a very serious question, whether it was a real encouragement, or whether it was a policy which ought, to be pursued. In conclusion, he would most dis tinctly say, that there never had been an Administration in this coun. try, of whatever power or talents, more determined than the present to support and maintain the establishments of the country, both civil and ecelesiastical.—(Hear, hear.) The Duke of WELLINGTON thought the Noble Viscount might as well have made these statements a few evenings ago. What he (the Duke of Wellington) charged upon the Noble Viscount—and he would confess that from what he had heard he was not inclined to withdraw his charge —was a departure from the ancient policy of the country, which for the last 200 years had been to protect, maintain, and encou. rage tho Established Church of England and Ireland, and for the last 1.50 years the Church of Scotland. That was what ha charged upon the Noble Viscount, and he (the Duke of Wellington) would not again enter into the discussion of a recent evening, but the more he reflected upon that discussion the more convinced he was that the Noble Viscount hrd not done his duty to the Church of Scotland in neglecting to adopt measures for the support of religion in the large towns. The Noble Viscount said that the Noble Earl (Ripon) had supported the Bill. He (the Duke of Wellington) had supported that Bill. He had objected to some of its details; but he had given his support to the Bill. He was aware that other Noble Lords had not supported that Bill. According to the system of taxation, as the Noble Earl had proved, the resources of the Commissioners to in. crease small livings would be diminished. The Noble Viscount said that the House would not adopt the plan of the year 1834. A most impor tant part of that Bill—the redemption clause—had been struck out in another place—(Hear]—and thus it came up to the House shorn of all its benefits. He (the Duke of Wellington) was desirous to see an ar. rangement not only of this, but of every other question discussed dur. ing the last few years respecting Ireland, with the sincere view of putting an end to them, and seeing the Government strengthened in all these questions. The Earl of WICKLOW believed that these resolutions were only proposed to gain a political end, for a party motive, which was to place the Government in the position which it at present occupied. His Noble Friend had said that he thought the measure gave great embarrassment to the Ministry. He (the Earl of Wicklow) believed no such thing. He believed that Government, having gained their object, cared little for the resolutions, and that they would throw them overboard as soon as it might suit their convenience. He, moreover, thought that the House of Commons would never sanction a measure founded on those resolutions, by which the revenues of the clergy were to be transferred from them, and the clergy themselves made pensioners on the Consoli dated Fund. He was most desirous to see the l'oor.laws, the Tithe Bill, and Irish Corporation Bill settled ; and Ile could assure the Noble Viscount that he would set his shoulder to the wheel, in order to render them acceptable to the country. The Bishop of DERBY regretted that the measure of 1834 had been discountenanced in the manner it had. The returns were then ordered, and the House adjourned. PRIVATE BUSINESS OF PARLIA- MENT. COMMITTEE on BILL (WEST SCOTLAND LIST). Lord WILLIAM BINTINCK in the Chair. Glasgow Waterworks Bill.—.A a petition from the Deacon, Convener, and others of the City of Glasgow, against this Bill was read, but no one appeared for it as Counsel or agent. The cross-examination of Mr. Mackain (not 111' Cane, as we stated by mistake the other day), was proceeded with by Mr. NPNEIL, of the Scottish Bar. The Company take nearly a rack-rent where they can get it. The Commissioners of Police have an interest in getting all that they can from the inhabitants of Glasgow. The cases of Glasgow and Edinburgh arc very different ; in Edinburgh the Commissioners of Police have, perhaps, varied the rates from caprice; does not believe that the rents in Edinburgh have lowered, during the last twenty years, to the amount of 20 or 30 per cent., but they have decreased greatly; the rents in Glasgow have increased from the increase of population; not, as far as witness knows, from the increased value of the houses; houses in Glasgow are build ing fast; in Edinburgh he does not know if they arc; the surveyor of the New Waterworks Company is to be paid by a sa lary ; the present inspector and surveyor is paid by a commis - - sion on account; values the rates according to his own estimate; if inhabitants do not like the amount of rate, they can re fuse if they do refuse, he cannot say where they would get a supply, excepting sundry wells at a c on_ siderable distance, or the Clyde. The present B ill proposes the rates for no period shorter than a year, excepting in the cases of new-coming tenants, who are to be changed from the time of their entry to the end of the current year ; capit II to be reduced to 3' , 6,000/. ; the 350,0001 , the old capital, is all expended, and more money too; witness was very fully examined on the last Committee. Mr. ANDREWS hero objected to any question being put to the witness as to anything which took place in a former Committee of the House. Mr. M'Neno contended that it was necessary to refer to it otherwise he could not obtain from the witness what had been the Committee's knowledge of the amount of capital, which he Mr. M'Neil believed was only 260,000/. Mr. ANDREWS objected to the course of his Learned Friend, as, if it were allowed, it would let in the practice of examin ing every witness, before every Committee, as to all the evi dence of any former Committee. The room was then cleared, after which the Chairman an nounced the decision of the Committee that the evidence of the witness himself, given before the former Commi,tee might be gone into, but no other proceedings of such Committee were to be entered into. On our re-admission, we found Mr. Hill addressing the Committee upon his right to refer to a printed copy of the minutes of the short-hand writei's book. Mr. ANDRE:VS objected to this—when the room was cleared ; after which the Committee decided that the minutes were nut to he given in evidence. Mr HILL then proceeded with the examination of Mr. Mackain. After two or three words from the Learned Counsel, Mr. Andrews objected to Mr. M'Neil having resigned the examina tion of th e w i tness i nto t h e h an d s of Mr. Hill. Besides which, he Mr. Andrewe, objected to the witness being compelled, as secretary of the Water-works Company, to disclose certain pri. vote transactions between such Company and himself. Mr. HILL insisted ,upon his right to be heard in examination, as it was merely upon a point of law of English evidence, with which Mr. M'Neil, as a Scottish Advocate, was not, perhaps, so well acquainted as himself. He also in sisted on his right to examine the witness upon points re lative to the transactions of the Company; and witness as their Secretary. The Learned Gentleman quoted instances of Counsel and Attorney, Clergyman and Parishioner, &C., wherein the law did not hold sacred from evidence their commu nications, &^. Mr. NPNEIL then proceeded with the examination of the witness, who stated that 50,000/. each was the sum which the Companies of Glasgow and Cranston Hill were authorised to borrow ; upon this sum interest must be paid before any divi dend is paid ; if there is any surplus, 5 per cent. may be divided ; the projected works include pipes, steam engines, reservoirs, &e. ; proposed to be within 100,0001. ; the Com pany have lands upon which they can erect steam engines, reser a weir has existed some time below voils, filtering ponds, &c. ; the Cranston-hill Works ; if the weir is removed, it will much injure the works, but not quite destroy them; the Trustees of the Clyde Bridge have removed part of this weir illegally ; witness presented a petition of com plaint against them on that account ; never stated that salt water had got into the Company's works by such al teration of the h eir: should the Bridge Trustees go on with their injury to the weir, the greatest damage would be done; the site of the Company's works must be removed; believes there is ne chance that the Courts will decide against the Company treon the point ; the 326,000/. has been bene ficially expended on the works; no estimate has been made of their value ; cannot answer if 326,0001. would he given for the works by a purchaser :---200,0001. would not he sufficient to cover the value ; cannot estimate what would ; but is sure 200,0001. would not be sufficient; a statement was made by the Committee of the Proprietors that 10 0,0001. had been expended by the Company upon the most ruinous speculations. Mr. HILL here repeated his arguments, that questions of evidence should be put to the witness, relating to all transac tiona between the Company and witness as their secretary. It was agreed between Mr. Andrews and Mr. Hill, that a report of such proceedings should be put in. Witness pro duced a printed book, containing such report. Examination resumed by Mr. lIILL—The 100,000/, was ex pended upon works at the original station; those works have been removed; the new shares if sold at 50/. will amount to 150,0001. ; the selling price is not 801., but more than 50/. ; the present Bill intends to have shares of 50/. ; cannot say what the capital may amount to, if 7 per cent. is to be expended ; the shares of the Company are perpetually changing hands ; some, it is true, are in the hand/ of original shareholders.; others are continually changing hands. The Glasgow Shares are esti mated at Dl. per share, and the Cranston -hill at 121. ; the works of the former would, at this rate, be worth 65,0001 ; since the erection of the works, the value of mate rials has very much decreased • does not k now t h e pre sent selling price of ir on . The trustees of the late Alr. Spiers, of Eldersley, hold 800 shares in the Company ; wis`e • tress has.grotind in his occup a ti o n in Cranston-hill, which ground has n'Ot been ;tie rot seven years; there were re f.'et*ol.-s at CFnitsidn-hlll feffloiled ; rniett cost the sum of six thousand pounds ; the Company hate g i roundi !Ind hvd also works snow abondoned) in Rotten-row; i e •Z i oti . the Op6.id,tif Wmlfs in„,cranston 1101; as also Coe works abrindoneri ene - .e find Vriinqad!witneta could show the statement of value of abandoncd documents, hot etuinot do so to day ; will do so to-rm,r row ; C•2:npany had pumps at Mr. Holdworth's factory; Cefripayy Inkti the ust or Mt. Holdtworth's engine; do not want .1t ndw j PO,nhdl. or 30,00C11. *ere eipended Upon pipes ; the l.ying of which Corrattent.'ed in 1807 ; "and only terminted last wed: ;" cannot say host. .inueb was paid for pipes bp to 1812 ; the accounts are so kept as not to sh )W that, as witness believes ; he does not examine the old books; there wily be a statement of such experts,. To houses at 50 feet elevation above the Clyde, 10 hours' supply is given{ it is proposed that at en elevation of 135 feet, not le s than nine hours' supply shall be afforded, giving 80 gallons at each house. A greater do will be Vivcn by the preset.t fill ; they are bound to do this by the Bill ; at pr, sent there is no limit to the supply. An objection was made by Mr. Andrews as to the course of Mr. M`Neil's cross examination. The room was cleared, when the division of the Committee was in favour of the course of the Learned Advocate. Exa mination resumed : The Company require no powers from Parliament to lower their rates. In 1829 the dividend was 3/. 15s. per share. In 18:30 it was the same amount. This gives an average per cent., upon the capital iii.vestecl, of Si. and one-seventh ; during a portion of the period it might be 61 per cent. The main pipes are to be constantly charged twenty-four hours, to be resjrtcd to in c.tse of fire. In cases of fire at a distance from the main pipe, say a thousand yards, if the pipes be on a level, the supply will be instantaneous; if at one hundred and fifty feet above the Clyde, it might take a few minutes, not longer - there are mains upon every level, in the p r in c ip a l st re et s —th e y arc always charged ; an instant supply may be had in those streets, witness thinks, day and night, in case of fire ; the mains will be charged constantly. not higher than Blythswood-square ; a partial sup ply is carried on to Garnet-hill; a reservoir is intended there ; with hotels, bath-houses, &c., no rates are fixed ; they will de pend upon private bargain ; the present Bill compels the Com pany to give all the supply which the factories of Glasgow may want, at fixed rates ; not more than 71. 10s. per annum on the low service, and 151. on the high service, for not less than 1,000 gallons, to be supplied daily : if 3,000 gallons, the charge will be in proportion. A conversation then took place between Mr. Andrews and Mr. Sandford on the one hand, and Mr. Hill and Mr. M'Neil on the other, as to whether the books containing the names of the shareholders, and the amount of their shares should be produced before the Committee next day—Mr. Hill stating that he should apply for their production, and Mr. Andrews that he should oppose the application. It being announced that the Speaker was at prayers, the Committee adjourned until twelve o'clock next day. COMMITTEE on BILL (\VEST SCOTLAND LIST). (Lord WILLIAM BENTINCK in the Chair.) Glasgow Waterworks Bill.-Mr. Mackain, the Secretary of the Cranston-hill Company, again underwent a long exa mination this day, by Mr. Andrews. He previously put in a book, cantaining a statement of the estimated value of the abandoned works of the Company. The points of Mr. Mackain's evidence were a repetition of those use reported yesterday, viz., relative to the value of the works of the Cranston Hill Company, and the inadequate supply of water under the present system, as con trasted against that undertaken by the present 13111. One thing in this evidence was remarkable, considering the proverbial carefulness of our Scottish brethren ; for, whilst they complain of an inadequate supply of water, it appears that, with the exception of a few of the better class of houses, there are no cisterns, so that a great portion of the supply of water runs to waste through the pipes. Mr. FINCH asked a few questions of the witness relative to the capital and shares of the Company. The capital is (as stated yesterday) 326,0001 , and there are 2,858 shares; this would make the shares of the value of a little more than 841. ; the money raised by loan is 46,3521. ; the amount raised by the sale of shares is 180,488/. ; by the first Act the Company is limited to 30,0001. as to loan ; and in 1812 a further sum of 30,0001. was authorised to be raised; by another Act, in 1808, they were authorized to raise 10,0001. ; the Company here raised by way of loan 29,2201. ; ,that debt is now owing ; 109,4301. has been raised by shares ; the present price of shares is from 801. to 90/. per share ; the total amount of works nut in use is 16,480/. ; at the last general meeting of the Cranston-hill Company, the draft of the present Bill was approved of by resolution proposed, seconded and carried in the usual way ; at„ this meeting 14 members of the Company were present ;- these members held amongst them " several thousand pounds in shares" according to the best of witness's belief. Mr. Wilson, late Secretary to the Glasgow Waterworks Company, was next called, and examined by Mr. Sandford, of the Scottish Bar, in support of the 13111. Witness stated the capital of the Company at 326,0001. The Shares are in number 2,888. The average of their first value was 12/. The Company sold a great many 'shares at a premium ; the debt now due is 46,3501. ; the interest of this debt is paid before any dividend is made in shares ; it would take about 650 shares of the Cranston Hill Company to pay it's own debt ; the proposed Bill will enable the Company to supply more water at a cheaper rate ; the supply is very variable, according to the altitudes of houses ; 16 hours supply will be given by this Bill upon the lower level; about 32,000 persons occupy houses under the rent of 101. per an.; 53. is the lowest rate of water charge, and 10s. is added for every increased rental of 101.-( Witness here put in a paper contain ing a scale of charges)-The renters of 4/. and 5/. a year pay 7s. Water-rate, and b they will by the proposed Bill pay but 4s. ; so that the saving of 3s. will be in the pockets of the lower ranks of the inhabitants; the working ofthe engines vary in time according to the season of the year and other circumstances. A supply of sixteen hours water, would take about seventeen hours working of the engines. The supply will be greater in every level of the city of Glasgow by the proposed Bill. Linder the present system no extension of supply can be afforded, the present Bill will afford every facility. In cases of fire, too, there will be an ample supply of water, according to witness's belief, t o b e k ept i n ma i ns constantly charged ; the main-pipes go nearly to the highest level; the present system wastes a great deal of water, by reason of the people leaving open their pipes ; only a few people have cisterns ; art additional power of engines will be required ; no present engine ought to be worked more than 10 or 12 hours a day; a longer time seriously injures them; besides a double set of men would be requisite for 24 hours supply ; and the capital must be larger. Cross-examined by Mr. HILL -Shares sold by the Glas gow Company have been sold at a premium ; the Company is a good concern ; 5/, per cent. rate open the higher rented houses was charged ; but many of the smaller ones were charged 71 10s. per cent. ; when the increase took place in 1831, I recollect telling some parties (not Mr. Pattison), that I thought the cause of this rise was loss and reduction of profit to the Company ; in the years of 1828, 1829, and 1830, the average Tate was higher .than afterwards ; in 1830 the revenue of the 'Glasgow Company was 14,350/. ; in 1834 it was 13,7451., ,being 500/. less, although the tenants had increased; in 1831 the rating was 5/. per cent. ; after 1831 it was lowered to 3/. 10s. per cent. This was not a matter of choice. The Company were driven into it by the competition bete een the two Companies as to rates. Witness was secretary for five years. The Cranston Hiil Waterworks were established about two years after the Glasgow. The present Bill will prevent the waste of water ; to prevent it by a person going round to watch time pipes, so that they be closed. Some measures have already been taken to prevent such waste. Punishing clauses for waste are in the existing Act. Further means will be taken, witness believes, to effect the prevention of \Neste ; the public wells will be less in number ; but that will cause no diminution in the supply ; in many parts the supply will be much greater ; cannot say if five hours supply of water is not sufficient ; and yet that time is proposed, by the present Bill, to be increased ; some people may think that time enough, and some may not ; some parties have complained of the time, and on that account the Company proposed to increase it ; parties would not ask for an increased time, if they were satisfied with the five hours' supply. Thinks the supply " has hitherto been sufficient, without cisterns, excepting where cisterns have been used." Witness has seen many cisterns in Blytheswood square arid ; in Glasgow the rich people live in tile higher regions, the poorer in the lover; no compulsion exists as to charging mains for firs a ; a clause is proposed by the present 13111 to that effect, with an arrangement with the Insurance the price of sh ares i s at present 75 / . or 80 / . ; Compani( a ; they were in 1828-9 as high as 1101. ; cannot tell the cause of that rise ; some shares have been sold at 80/., witness be lieves lately ; witness is not secretary and manager of the Com pany now ; has ceased to be so s i nce t h e Ist o f J une, 1837 ; in 1834, the Company sold shares at 90/. ; prior to May, 1833, the price was 60/. ; the two Companies together succeeded in preventing the operation of Mr. Locke's Act applying to Glas gow ; doss not know if a particular clause in that Act excepted Glasgow from its operation ; never read the Act. Mr. Satenronn objected to the course of Mr. Hill's cross examination of the witness, in referring to the minutes of the meetings of the Company, which the Learned Advocate con tended was not a mere refreshing of the memory of the wit ness, but introducing new matter. An argument took place upon this between Mr. HILL and Mr. SANDFORD, after which the room was cleared. On our re-admission the Chairman announced the decision of the Committee that the witness was allowed to refer to the book of minutes. Cross-examination resumed. The shares are lower now than they were at one period of the competition between the Com panies; the Glasgow Company have had very trifling loss in money expended upon experiments; this loss is under 5,000/. ; it is not known at what period that sum was expended ; has heard that the Cranston Hill shares are at 71. each ; in 1834 th e average value was from 80/. to 901. ; say 85/. ; two fifteenths of that sum is 111. 6s. 81 ; 2,883 at 80/. would be 245,4801. The witness went on to state that although the rates are unequal, they are not unfair; thinks a surveyor appointed by the Company batter than one appointed by the inhabitants ; witness has known Government Surveyors very much against the rates of the Company. The Water Company in Edinburgh, do not get sufficient rates, owing to the proceedings of the Police Commissioners there ; the Water Companies in London do not compete with one another ; the Surveyor of the Glasgow Company is paid partly by a salary and partly by a commission on the amount o f rates ; thinks the Surveyor has no interest on that account in making the rates as high as he can; the population is increasing se much that the present supply of water is not adequate. Demand sometimes beyond the supply, at other times vice versa. The engines formerly worked longer; this was sei•etal years tigo ; perhaps this might be for a few months only: The compact between the two Compani-s Wag entered into in 1852. The rates were doubled on the Ist lure ; the present system is arbitrary as to rates; the Com pany has bortowk'd about 46,000/. ; no estimate of the ex pense of the new undertaising has been male ; yet the Company has applied to Parliament ; they want mote engiwts, pipes, and tHettoirs; it is not determined where the resertoirs shall be ; witness t;;ili in tienlyn in 1834, when a Bill of this Com pany was before the Housd. Cannot speak. as to a resolution, at that time, of the Committee. The Committee upon the Bill threw out the decision of the Committee on the petition against having two rates of charge for water. The Speaker being at prayers, the Committee adjourned until tskelve o'clock on Friday. MANCHESTVII, BOLTON, AND BURY CANAL AND RAILWAY BILL (LANCASTER LIST). Mr. WILSON I'ATTEN in the Chair. Some of the elattEi?s uponthis Bill were opposed on Mon - dq, but they had been Agreed to between the Counsel, when the Bill passed through the Committee without further oppe stion, when the Bill was signed by the Chairman, who n,ti mated his intention to report it to the House. FRIDAY. COMMITTEE on BILL ( \VEST SCOTLAND LIST, Lord WILLIAM BENTtNCK in the Chair, Glasgow Waterworks Bill.—The cross-examination of Mr. Wilson, late Secretary to the Glasgow Company was con. tinned by Mr. Hill. Witness stated that the compact of Company in 1/33 was in the books; the Companies were to be united in the proportion of 3-4tlis to 1, and I-4th division of profits, but " not as com panies." The Glasgow Company, as a company, divided their own profits. Some shareholders received their dividends, and others gave up a proportion of their dividend to the Cron stoun 11111 Company. This arrangement was not a transaction of the Qompany, but of the shareholders—he meant to say the shareholders, in their individual capacities; this arrangement was well known. Cannot say if there were two sets of ac counts. The Companies were united, as far as they could effect an union, without an Act of Parliament. There is no statement of the joint accounts ; such statement is kept out of the Glasgow books. On Mr. asking a question of the witness relative to. the minutes of proceedings in 1833, witness objected to refer to them, on the ground that he had not had any concern with, or knowledge of them, . 0 Mr. SANDFORD objected to the question, as not tending "to refresh the witness's memory," according to the decision of the Committee on Wednesday, but as relating to matter en tirely new, and unknown to witness. Mr. HILL replied, in support of his point, when the Com mittee decided that Mr. IEII should proceed with his cross examin ation. On the witness referring to the minutes, it appeared that they related solely to the value and sale of particular shares in 1833, of the Glasgow Company. The Cranstoun Bill minutes being mentioned by Mr. M`Neil, in a question to the witness, he was allowed to be assisted by Mr. Mackain; the Secretary to the latter Company. These minutes also related only to the value and sale of particular shares. The cross-examination by Mr. M'Neil then turned upon the supply of water in cases of fire; upon which the answers of the witness were to the same effect as were those which we have already reported of this witness and Mr. Mackain. One answer formed an exception, viz., that fires being of un frequent occs'rrence, the Companies had never made any great preparation to meet such emergencies. The evidence then turned upon the supply of water in the different quarters and levels of tho city, and also upon the reservoirs ; but this was literally a duplicate of the evidence given by the witness, and Mr. Mackain, before the Committee on Wednesday. Witness went on to say he had turned his attention to the means of supplying Glasgow with water by gravitation ; the total supply to Glasgow, he thinks, is under ten millions of gallons per day; has surveyed the adjacent country, many times, in many years, for thirty miles round Glasgow ; sometimes alone, sometimes tiesisted by others ; has reported such surveys to his own Company ; knows the fame of Mr. Walker, the engineer, in London; does not know whether that gentleman ever surveyed Glas gow or its neighbourhood. Witness was here asked to turn to the minute of the 25th March, 1823, from which it appeared that the supply was then 2,400 gallons per minute, when the river Clyde was five feet above its ordinary summer level ; this rate of supply will make upwards of two millions of gal lons per day. In the minutes of the 4th of August, 1824, it appeared that the Commissioners of police charged a rate for watering the streets ; a copy of the present Bill was given to them, and to every other person who asked for it ; the estimated cost for erecting an engine of 70-horse power in Glasgow witness cannot give at present—perhaps it would be from 401. or 501. to 601., according to circumstances; at present they have capabilities for making engines to the amount of about 400-horse power. Cannot at present state the total cost of engines, &c. ; the detail given will afford a total, of course. The detail is in the books ; the diameter of each of the boilers of the engines is 54 inches; cannot state their pressure; new engines arc to be erected; their power, &c. has not been determined upon ; that is a future calculation in detail ; every engine can be applied to any level; cannot tell the amount of water they will discharge ; a long calculation would be necessary for this ; the Magistrates of Glasgow once proposed, witness thinks, to purchase the works of the Com pany ; a petition was presented for a Bill to effect that ; wit ness was in London to oppose that Bill ; a petition was pre sented against it; their proposed Bill would have given the Magistrates power to erect other works ; Company had a peti tion for a Bill at the same time, not persisted in ; witness had a letter from Mr. Rennie relative to the works ; declined to comply with the request of that letter; cannot now state why he declined ; an answer was written to Mr. Rennie; can- not recollect the grounds of objection, or the terms of that answer; does not know if minutes were made of the proceed ing of the Company upon such letter and answer ; cannot state the expense of promoting the two first Bills of the Company; it was "a trifle," perhaps "a few thousand pounds." The witness was then re-examined by Mr. SANDFORD. Witness stated that it would take twenty minutes in case of fire, if the main pipes were charged, to obtain a supply ; if main pipes not charged, a much longer time would be neces sary ; the present Bill intends a constant supply of water, whether the inhabitants have cisterns or not ; there aro 44,000 families in Glasgow ; the present supply would give about 100 gallons per family; it is more, on the average, than they can want. Examined by Mr. Firscrt:—Witness believes there is a minute in the books of the Company of the intended applica tion to Parliament for this Bill ; the compact in 1833 was that the Companies should be united ; (as we have alone reported) without an Act of Parliament the rates were increased by mu tual agreement between the Companies ; the public themselves laughed at the low amount of the rates before that agreement ; the rise in the rates increased the dividends; the rates were raised from 2i to nearly 5 per cent ; nearly double the old rates ; the dividends are about 3/. lOs. per cent. upon the ori ginal shares; there are 2,888 shares in the Glasgow Company; the average price of shares is about 62/. 10s. ; the object is to divide 7/. per cent., if possible, upon shares at the price of 501. each ; this applied to the new purchasers of shares ; the old shareholders would have 7/. per cent. upon their shares at the price of 70/. each. The witness, in the course of his examination by Mr. Fusel!, entered into a considerable detail of the proposel dividends on the shares, and the estimated revenue of the Company as likely to arise from the present Bill. The witness Was then examined by the Nonut CHAIRMAN as to the difference between the present amount of rating and and revenue, and that estimated by the Bill before the Com mittee. Witness stated that, at present, the two Companies formed a complete monopoly. Ele also detailed an estimate, in round numbers, of the amount of inhabitants residing on the different levels of the city, as also the average supply of water they received. It was calculated that the expense of supply, under the proposed Bill, would be about 1,5001. per annum, for every hour's supply for the whole city; at present the an nual expense was 1,000/. for every hour's supply. It was also calculated that a saving of 1,5001. or 1,600/. a year would be effected in expense by the union of the two Companies. Mr. FINCH, on the part of the Committee, here intimated that it would be highly desirable that some amicable arrange ment should he come to between the promoters and the oppo nents of the Bill. Mr. M'lslEtt, and Mr. Sergeant SPANKIE expressed their acquiescence in such a course, on the part of t ivo of the op posing parties. Mr. GRAIIANI, the Parliamentary agent fur the Bill, thought there were objections to this, which could not be surmounted. It was recommended by several Hon. Members that a Sub. Committee should be formed from the present Committee, to endeavour to effect an arrangement. The parties ultimately acceded to this; Mr. Graham and Mr. M'Neil stipuhting that if the negociation did not sue. ceed, all parties were to be considered in statu quo, and were to proceed as in the usual course. Mr. Finch, Sir George Sinclair, and Mr. Dennistoun were then appointed on such Sub-Committee, to act in conjunction with the agents and two parties on each side, and to meet to morrow morning at ten o'clock. The Committee then adjourned until Tuesday next at twelve o'clock, to receive the Report of such Sub-Committee. On Thursday u young and beautiful lady, elegantly dressed, threw herself into Seine from the Pont Marie, and was drowned, although the act was seen, and every endeavour promptly made to save her. her bonnet was left floating on the surface, but her body has not yet been found. A " NOTION It OF BItOTIIEIt JONATHAN'S.- The " Mechanic Association " of Boston (America), have set on foot a novel sort of " fancy fair." It consists of an exhi bition of models of machinery, specimens of manufactures, &c., all the productions of the working men of Boston at their leisure hours, which were arranged for public inspection something in the fashion of our fancy fairs at the Egyptian H.lll and elsewhere, the money taken at the doors being appro priated to charitable purposes. The quantity and quality of the articles shown are said to have been such as to reflect the highest credit on the exhibitors, and the scheme proved most successful, the rooms being continually crammed with grati fied spectators. It is proposed to make the exhibition annual. _Mechanic's Magazine. A HARDY PEAR.—At Ronald Rob, on the farm of Balig, on Carrick Hill, a pear of the muirfowl egg kind has remained attached to the tree since last summer up to the present date, notwithstanding the extraordinary vicissitudes of iceathor to which it has been exposed during the winter and beginning of spring. It is :till round and plump, but it is feared that its days are numbered, as the sap is now ascend. ing the tree, and the fact will speedily be verified that " one generation succeedeth another" in the vegetable, ar: certainly as in the animal world.—Ayr Observer. FROM LAST NIGHT'S GAZETTE. ST. JAMES'S-PALACE, MARCH 30, 1838. The Queen has been pleased, on the nomination of Lord Foley, to appoint George Platt, Esq., one of her Majesty's Honourable Corps of Gentlemen at Arms, by purchase, vice Matravors, retired. ST. JAMES'S •PALACE, Arum 2. The Queen has been pleased, on the nomination of Lord Foley, fa appoint John Godden, Esq., one of her Majesty's Honourab le Corps of Gentlemen at Arm s , by p urc h ase , v i ce Curling, retired. WHITEHALL, Aram 5. The Queen has been pleased to present the Reverend Darwin Fox, M.A. to the rectory cf Dclamere, in the diocese antl county of Chester, void by the resignation of the Reverend Bernard Moone, the.last. incumbent. WAR OFFICE, Areas. 6. • Ist Regiment of Foot—Lieutenant H. Nicholson to be Captain, without purchase, vice Brooke, deceased, March 24; Gentlern Cadet A. Gordon, from the Royal Military College., to be Enstgn,4' without purchase, April 6. 3:1 Foot—Captain R. P. Eason, from the half-pay Unattached to be Captain, vice R. M‘Nahh. who exchanges, receiving the difference, April 5 ; Captain S. F. Cox, from the half-pay of the 2d Ceylon Regiment, to be Captain, vice R. P. Eason, who ex' changes, April 6 ; Lieutenant .f. C. Rouse to be Captain, by pur chase, vice Cox, who retires; Ensign W. J. Dorchill to be Lieu tenant, by purchase, vice Rouse ; C. W. Green, Gent. to be En sign. by purchase, vice Dorchill, April 7. sth Foot—Gentlrman Cadet L. 11. Hamilton, from the Royal Military College, to be Second Lieutenant, without purchase, April 6. Ifth Foot—Captain J. T. Winnington, from the 12th Regimen t of Foot, to be Captain, vice Marsh, who cxchangcs,April 6. 12th Foot—Captain F. Marsh, from the 11th Regiment of Foot, to be Captain, vice Winnington, who exchanges, April 6. 32d Foot—Captain R. Bradfute, from the half-pay Unattached, to be Captain, vice J. R. Smyth, who exchanges, receiving the difference, April 6. 37th Foot—Lieut. W. T. R. Powell to be Captain, by purch ase ' vice Herrick, who retires ; Ensign C. A. Parkinson to be Lieute nant, by purchase, vice Powell , H. J. Curteis, Gent., to be En sign, by purchase, vice Parkinson. April 6. 533 Foot—Gentleman Cadet W. J. Verner, from the Royal 111i litary College, to be Ensign, without purchase, vice Acton, de ceased, April 6. 65th Foot--Paymaster S. Blake, from the 7th Regiment of Foot, to be Paymaster, vice W. Butler, who retires upon half-pay as Captain, April 6. 75th Foot—Captain J. Bolton, from the half-pay Unattached, to be Captain, vice W. Jesse, who exchanges, April 6. 2d West India Regiment—Lieut. J. Godwin, from the half - p a y of the 81st Regiment of Foot, to be Lieutenant, vice Ter►, Pr' muted, April 6. UNATTACHED. Major Sir W. A. Maxwell, Bart. from the Ist Dragoon O t tarag , to be Lieut.-Colonel, without purchase, April 6. Lieut. J. M‘Leod Tew, from the 2d West India Regiment, to be Captain, without purchase, April 6. HOSPITAL STAFF. To be Assistant-Surgeons to the Forces—A. C. Webster, Gent', vice Sparrow, deceased; W. Twining, Gent. ; C. Ross, Gent" April 6. MEMORANDUM. The name of the Cornet of the 4th Light Dragoons, who retina from the Service on the 30th March, 1638, is French, and not Trench, as stated in the Gazette of that date. OFFICE OF ORDNANCE, APRIL 4. Corps of Royal Engineers—Brevet Major J. Gordon to be Lieu tenant-Colonel, vice C. Dixon, placed on the Retired Tire Second Captain 11. J. Vicars to be Captain, vice Gordon Lieutenant 13. S. Stehelin to be Second Captain, vice Vica rs Second Lieutenant G. F. Mann to he First Lieutenant, vice Ste helin, March 31. BANK OF ENGLAND. Quarterly Average of the weekly Liabilities and Assets of the 13 ' 4* h of England, from the 9th January to the 3d April, 1838, inclusive, pursuant to the Act 3 and 4 W. IV., sap. 98. ASSETS. Circulation ...... £18,987,000 Securities E.:22,838,_„a0(5° Deposits 11,262,000 , Bullion £30,249,000 Downing-Street, April 5, 1838. X 32,96411 DECLARATION OF INSOLVENCY. JAMES WILLIAM BOGIE, underwriter, Liverpool.' BANKRUPTS. FREDERICK STRONG and WILLIAM ° BARTHi - merchants, Great Tower-street, London, to surrender April 18L one, and May 18, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. J ° " 11- son, official assignee, Basinghall-street ; Druce and Sons, BOW squata. EDWARD RUSSEL BELL, brewer, Hoxton Old T° l. ,_ ri ' April 17, at twelve, and May 18, at eleven, at the Court o f Banke d ruptcy. Gibson, official assignee, Basinghall-street ; Amory an Coles, Throgmorton-street. an d ROBERT BROWN, iron-founder, Maidstone, April 2.1, May 18, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Alsager, official assignee, Bircliin-lane, Cornhill ; Gould, Pinner's-hall, Great Winchester-street, Old Broad-street. April RICHARD MARTIN, linen-draper, Oxford - st reet, 17, at two, and May 18, at twelve, at the Court of Bankrui tcY• Gol.lsmid, Official Assignee, Ironmonger-lane ; Sharp, ...Devonshire terrace. Nottingham, GEORGE DAWSON, innkeeper, Worksop , April 17, and May 18, at eleven, at the White Hart Inn, R i e.tf ° _ o r n d : Nottinghamshire. Hannam and Whall, Worksop Hutchinson, Chesterfield; Smithson and Dun, Chancery-lane, London._ ~L E , WILLIAM SEARLE and WILLIAM WELLS SL eleven , grocers and druggists, Lincoln, April 2(3, and May 18, at . at the Windmill-inn, Alford. Armstrong, Staple-inn, Lona" ' Wilson and Portington, Alford. GEORGE CARTER, auctioneer, Warwickshire, April 20, a t twelve, at the Crown Hotel, Leamington-priors, and May 18, at twelve, at the Lansdowne Hotel, Leamington-priors. Griffin , Leamington-priors , Baxters, Lincoln's-inn-lields, London. DIVIDENDS. At the Court of Bankruptcy, Basinghall-street. S. Fletcher, goldsmith, Great Marlborough-street, April 30, at half-past two—C. Dorrington, miller, Digswell-hill, Hertford shire, April 39, at half-past eleven—J. Ford, iron-founder, Field gate-street, Whitechapel, April 24, at one. In the Country. E. Sheppard, sen., and E. Sheppard, jun., clothiers, Gloucestershire, April 24, at nine, at the Old Bell Inn, ursje;' Gloucestershire—W. Huntou, linen-manufacturer, Leeds, Afar at twelve, at the Court-house, Leeds—W. Wonfor, innke,eF e ',; Chesterton, Cambridgeshire, April 27, at eleven, at the .hinF Head Inn, Cambridge—E. Kempson, Capponfield Iron-wo"; near Wolverhamptem, May 8, at twelve, at the Star and Gartef Hotel, Wolverhampton—T. Vertue, merchant, Woodbridge, Sn folk, April 28, at twelve, at the Great White Horse Taverniti Ipswich—J. Haddon, merchant, Liverpool, April 30, at on! , r. the Clarendon-rooms, Liverpool—J. Donald, dealer i b silo plate, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, April 30, at twelve, at the BanIVI 3 Commission-roam, Newcastle-upon-Tyne—J. Wilkiuson and Vf • I.: Smith, stuff-merchants, Leeds, May 2, at twelve, at the Coirirt. house, Leeds—G. Lander, upholsterer, Leamington-Priors, 11.31_ wickshire, April 30, at twelve, at the Lansdowne Hotel, Learinn.l ton-Priors—R. M. Snowdon, Mahon, Yorkshire, May 2, at the Robin Hood Inn, York. CERTIFICATES, Arittr, 27. J. Comely, cattle-salesman, New Barn Farm, Compton, nal; shire—H.. R. Warren, common-brewer, Liverpool—G. B. Ilu' s r 7l' wine-merchant, Waterloo-place, Pall-mall—T. j. .., 11° Z: licensed victualler, Buckingham-place Fit7ro --square-- ' Y • ton and H. Newton, colour-manufacturers, ' Dt 3 l-by—P. J a y' draper, Watford, Hertfordshire. at two, . - PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED. D. G. T. Whitgreave an d G. R. C o lli s , pl a t ers , Birminghan l , Binns and G. Binns, li nen d ra p ers , B ra df or d, Y or kshire —T. e a 'd, worth - and J. Wolf en d en , engravers t o ca li co -printers, Sa ll° "0. Lancashire—J. Cookson, and W. Dyer, joiners, Liverpool---,. Lathem and J. L a th em , j o i ners , St. H e l en ' s , Lancashirc--;_, Novelli, J. Makenson, and T. T. Fryer, muslin manufacture 5-, Manchester—N. Ni c h o ll s an d G. Trenbath, calico-manufactuv!cr:, Manchester—J. Wall and T. Fgthergill, butter-dealers, Marlene ter—T. Roberts and C. S m ith, dealers in potatoes, Gate-str , Lincoln's I nn -fi e ld s —H. B. W a lk er an d S. S o l om on, attor ne) ; Liverpool —A. S now an d J. Eld re d, bonnet-shire manufacturer Gibson-strect, Lambeth—W. Clarke and J. Edwards, cut Ilan ic , hinge-manufacturers, Birmingham—R. Oram and J. Ma r t' n cabinet, case, and razor- strop makers Sheffield—W. E. n, e ''';:d and W. Francis, tailors, Brighton—E. Head, J. P. Everaru, -- .I. Dawson, twine's, Bury St. Edmund's, (as far as rega rds w, Dawson)—Jane Eleanor Turner, and AV. Holmes, Halifax-; Farrig and R. Yates, galloon and ribbon manufacturers, St. fJ. drew's-hill, Doctors' Commons—J. Goodbody, B. Vipan 3 1" J. Lintot, bullock, cattle, and sheep salesmen, West Smithfield Skardon, W. E. Gill, and P. Blatchford, proprietors of the mouth and Devonport Weekly J ourna l an d General Advertiser ilv". Cornwall, Somerset, and Dorset, Plymouth—G. Ritchie a nd Keir, brewers, Edinburgh—T. Upton and A. Hall, wareho usemen, Bread-street. PRICE 'OF SUGAR. cots The average price of Muscovado Sugar, from the return: cot., in the week ending the 3d of April, 1838, is 345. Oid• Pe r rtiv T exclusive of the Duties of Customs paid or payable en the., rrivo- tion thereof into Great Britain. _.........er N s, LADIES' BEST GOLD CHAT L ' The weight is given by comparison with the weight of SovereijetZ being more easily referred to than if stated i n ounces and 1 0 ,1 The quality of the gold is warranted equal to any that is .o °l into articles of this description. Price of tile Cable Pattern, or Matted Ring Pattern. d, X s. d. Same weight as 3 soya. 44 0 Same weight as 6 sovs. 7 0 Ditto as 4 sovs. 5 5 0 Ditto as 7 sovs. 8 ° 0 0 Ditto as 5 sovs. 66 0 Ditto as 8 soya' 9 ~ bovut The following Patterns arc One Guinea dearer than the a but cannot be made lighter than the weight of Six Sovereigns The Ca Cage Pattern. The Chinese Pa ttern ' The Ring and Bar Pattern. I The Victoria Pattern. THE NEW FLAT GOLD WATCHES. „ 7 0 The price in gold cases, with vertical move men ts ...... Ditto, with well-finished horizontal movement, in double bottomed engine-turned case, jewelled, silver dial, 9 9 0 warranted................................... ••• T. COX SAVORY'S, Working Silversmith and J ewe ll er, 47 , C orn hill, Londo n. (Seven Doors from Gracechur ch-street.) ded N.B. The Horizontal Construction is particularly recornmen for its superior accuracy. On the 4th inst., in Eaton-place, the Lady Illarcua Hill of a daughter. On the sth inst., at St. Pancras Church, George Elliot MARRIED. Fs -. q., of the Middle Temple,b • leldest son of F... barrister-at-law, at- aw, Clarke, Esq., of Barbadoce, to Rebecca Worrell, eldest daughter of W Grasett, Esq., of the same Island. On the 4th hist, at Wevn o tla the Rev. Geo. Caesar Hawking, Vicar of P . h D '' u ' - * ., Yin hoe evon, second son of Sir J. C. Hawkins, Barba to Eleanor, eldest daught"cr of G. V. Villiers, Esq., late of t Royal Horse Guaris. ______-------- Clarke, On the 30th ult., at Llan D elly gli Ho . use, aged 48, Em u "' wife n— Wm. Ch am b ers , Esq., of Manelly House, Carmarthenehire, Bieknor, Kent. th On the 4th inst., in Baker-street, Captain Br aham, of the 78 Highlanders. • On the 2d inst.., at Kentish-town, Mr. John Bartle, of New aged 61 London ; 1 rinte+l by jut JRDO-.----- vcanslG, of plc. 112, Strand, at The Sun Office. No. 112, Strand, in the county of Middlesex.—Saturday, April 7, 1838. THE SUN, LONDON, SAMIRDAY, APRIL 7, 1--38