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per annum. - lie,shoula also pre;ipps, that no more than ne fourth of a yen,'. revenue should he de. Manded 14 any year, and that the Bishop or Arch bishop should have the power, of cliyiding the pay inent of th ese first fruits among the first six years of possession °Cu living. Having stated thus much, he tnoved for leave to bring in.a Bill, SirAitTHuiliraLt.ustsy objeded to the principle of the Right on. Batonet's measure, because its o bioti appeared 'NI to take money Out 'ot the pockets of theCtergy of Ireland, to suable the Board otFirit Fruits to increase the Revenues of the lower 15.40 , ; - s. The taiperior ClergyWerenadeqpitieli fro- Jar, but the inferior Clergy . Were not. Yet, wider the present circumstancds of the Church of Ireland, the Clergy, upon a preferment tii a 'bene fice, did sot receive any income from it for two years, and were . obliged to give up the next two x4ars,trepuetp satisfy the demands of their prede• censors for the erection of. Glebe Houses. Some , jt was true, paid no first traits, whilst others .but the inequality was too inconsiderable to trietit attention. Upon. these grounds he should elo.:t to the:ad in.the first instance. diSCussion ensued, in which Mr. Charles. Wynne, Mr. c Hdrner, Mr. Q. Ponsonby, and Mr. i. Yitzgerald, supported the Motion: and Mr. COite.r,'Dodor Duigenari, and the Chancellor of the kAehequer, opp( ? sed it, on the ground that, though ct!ey would support any propooition ,for the relief of the inferior Clergy froni.any other Fund, they would conseut to the imposition of ideli 'an oppressive QAX, upon the Clergy in general for that purpose. Sir JOIIN N,F;POIt't repeated and encored all his former iirgumetits; there were no g ood reasons agi:inst the principle of the Bill. The details may be inodified in the Committee. ;, Tint jinusf.; divided on the question, For the Moiic,)4 . . . Against it ':PAAD.AIii.'I , LES.,gIR J. DUCKWORTH. Colonel WOOD rose to otter to the House the Nlotien the_snbjed of the Logbook of the Royal (4eorge, < w idle .M the Dardanelles, which Motion he liar!. deferred from a former night. The House Thad. already its table the, libtrutStionsl of the kannralty to Lord Cellingwood s and also the firations of Lord Collingwood to Sir 'John Duck worth, direiting that-pot more than half an hour should he consumed in-taegoeiating with the Porte. Sir John Dilckworth, in . his letter of Gth March, al ledged, in excuse for his non-coMplianee with these (.e-det s; the contrary state of the winds, Which' would ;.;otoptirmit him to 'come close to the City of Con gantmople. It was essentird tea just inveStigation uf,the'causes of the failure of the 11;xpedition to have fqll and particular evidence on all the fats bearing tt2on it, and with this view he moved, that there be hilt' before the House a Copy of the Journal or hook:of the Royal George, Capt. Dunn (Sir J. Dna wordl's from the 19th Feb. the day :the entered the Dardanelles, to the 22d Feb. bath • Adtliiral HERVEY bad communicated the 80-. otimce of this Motion to Sir John Duckworth ) who, the manliness that always distinguishes him, vas Only anxious that the ti llest light should be kinilvdn on his enric:4 in the case in question, ag , in every other instance. Rethought it due,' however, tato,pteritorions.an , Offreer, to *tato particularly:the. nature of any charges that it . may be in the Hon. WitA'cr's .contemplation 'to bring forward against him, in order thachis friends may be properly pre , lured to meet therm • -• • Worm had hot, '•irt the first instance, any objet but the elucidation of an important part of a very. important sttbje 'neit her did he allow n xight-in any one to call on him to come forward as a :public accuser : yet tie would Vow that ,his,persua- . bitli; was, that it would appear.lrom the log, if pro that Sir John Duckworth might, by proper 41i.ipositions, have come near enough to Constant'. .4 . topie to execute the orders of Lord Colliugwood. the Von. Gond as, read and compared the it.oteot . Sif Diickworili and the Subst duce of ot . the ticulgu, OS he understood it to . ard.wd, th:it by steering' certain (ionises dif t,44...01.tt0m those he had steered, Sir John rui ;id have conic close up to Constantinople tt dal:Lavin Clines during the stay of his Squadron in tee Diudaoulics. ' LitinvEY, in explanation, expressed the yr, Att•st 're.:ictiitt:s4 to give facility to the examination Of the charge pagetred, which was iu subltanee, that lie had not, muter all the cireumstanees; made tote son of attilek he 'ought to have tnade, He bad 11,) L:ouut but the gatiant Admital , would be iound nen,e done bib duty to the wood on that as on cxtviy her occasion, expressed great unwillingness to haws thew Papers laid before the House. 'Though he did tiJi doubt that those who proposed such investiga liana -wi.re actuated always by patriotic motives, lse did not (lank it right to• institute inquiries into the conduct of Natal and Military Commanders in that Notthe in the first instatice. 11 there was ground it charge of licgleet of duty itt any case, the proper emirs( was to•represent the matter to the Ad- I to . ruity i and if the charge appeared founded, it u. ietict oe brought to trial before the proper trihn rol, a C.,,oitit Martial. Ho-expressed i t high ref . in .,4 tor Sit J. lloclworth's character, vvithont having the hdtiotir him, and declared his intention to L i k e ii,e seise of the House on the Motion, if it soohld be pursisted.in,. WUOL) explained, and vindicated his right, ;Member of Parliament, to bring this iresiion before the House. He had, in duittgo, proceeded the fairest and most candid tnantio, commune hits ititentitAlli to the Admiralty and to 4ir ~f; Duckworth' , friends. Mu. Sccretary CANNING, for himself and his sol. dedarcti, that his \Ltjesty's ,Vit.istils had pu in te".,peCt to i,ll tnittlerS rclot.ng t o th e y os , pedition to the Dardanelles, hot that those who were piritcGtlatly concerned in the plau.iitt or execution of Unit Expeitition should hove the oppo/tilotty , if t:ll‘ing diet course which 11 , e public interest' or their 'chaiiictera should hecto to them to require.— Thus the 'Mass of Pa .Teri H hitch .v,y4,ltow ill the on the genoptl ,(...iihjett of the w, te produced by . the tlesite, of his Majesty's G 0.... v'crintient•i . but twcause one (2,3entletwili thought st‘P.l) c . bf,thetti necesiary to judge el tilt. groujuls :1,0 1 Expedition, and nec:.iiise the late; Ministers thou lit the remainder necessary tor the . iilitdicatlon - of their "ehtultiet in fcbrcct ter it, Tho s,taptl (.1;a1: the imputation of checking infinity, and ,of casting prejudice upon the cause of their predecessors. b ►s was the motive by which they were influenced in the present case. Also, they first thought it right to beg a delay of the Motion till the Hon. should - be made acquainted with the nature of it ; and finding no obje&ion 4n his part, but a claim of right to the produaion of such further information as may be necessary' to vindicate him front any charge that may be brought, they could:on their own part have .no difficulty. But he' must own, from what he heard of the nature of the charges now for the first time stated by the Han. Movtor, he thought it dueto the gallant officer, who had done so much service to the Country, not to allow him to be implicated by entertaining them, when they may be brought to the test by a more competent tribu. nal, if at all fpunded. Mr. WINbiIANI declared that the late Ministers had no idea of throwing the slightest.part of the biome of the failure of the Expedition on Sir J. Duckworth, and that they wished it to be judged of solely on its own merits. Mr. R. WABD said, that the Lords of the Admi ralty saw no ground whatever to cast any imputa tion on the condo& of Sir John Duckworth, nor had they the slightest intention of bringing any charge_ against him. Mr. PONSCINBY professed his intention of with drawing from the vote, if the question was "pressed to a division. He neither wished to eonatenance a charge against Sir .1. Duckworth, by voting for the. Motion, nor to seem to decline the fullest in vestigation of the Dardanelles Expedition by voting against it. Colonel WOOD proposed to withdraw his Motion. Mr. WHITERbAD thought it was the right of a Member of Parliament to bring before the House any thing.that.in his opinion claimed his attention. He had intended to objeft to the withdrawing of the Motion, but he would not persist in that inten tion. The Motion was withdrawn. On the Motion of Mr. DUNDAS, a Committee was appointed to inspeCt the Lords' Journals, for the result of certain inquiries respeEting the jurisdielion of the Court of Session in Scotland, and the num ber of Appeals. from that Court to the House of Lords. The object was to elucidate the subject of the Scotch Judicature Bill, the , second reading of which was deferred from Wednesday till Friday, at the desire of Sir J, ANSTRUTHER. Sir ARTHUR WI;I.LESLEY moved for 'leave to bring in a Bill for the better regulation of the Vo luntee, ing from. the Irish Militia into the Line, by enabling the Colonels of Militia to fix for their• re speaive Regiments a certain time, of three days, in which the volunteering should take place, and also to regulate the mode in which the recruiting parties should take the men. Mr. FITZGERA Lb. complained of this permanent system of annual volunteering from the Militia, and the, burthen that was entailed by it on Ireland, by means of a very ill-regulated ballot to supply the de ficiencies. After some further conversation, in which Mr. FITZGERALD and Sir ltonEnT• WILLIAMS spoke against the principle, and Sir A. WELLESLEY ex plained and defended the conduß of the Irish Go vernment, leave was given to bring in the Bill which was accordingly brought in and read a first time. On the question for the second reading, Mr. FITZGE►tALD renewed his objcaious to the prati ice of hallotting. in Ireland, when the regiments may be easily .filled up with volunteers. The mode ot•' Wl lotting wa . L also very oppressive. He Wished the Bill not to be hurried.' , Sir A. WELLESLEY wished at present only to fill. up the blanks that the measure may be better understood. Every lacility had been g ven to fill up the deficiencies in the Irish Militia, by volun: teering. Mr., W. PONSONDY spoke to the same circa es. Mr. FITZGERALD. , , Sir J. ;11;Vbf YojtT complained of the impropriety Of - 6: - ,llorting at all io li thud, 1.1 lien tutu couid had as volunteers. It vvas art extreme toir4 : lship to k.ialiot by I iits wade out in .1783, many persons tt►en of, military age tiring beyond that nuw, and many were then tar lion► b,►tcit►g attained it. • • Sir hrtz•uurt WELLESLEY 'allowed he had spoken of hts intention to bring in a Bid for the better re gulation of the ballot in Ireland, but, be plan was nut yet Matured. .fitter a few words from• Mr.' Wrivennm, the Bill was ordered to be read a second time cu-morrow, and, to be printed. Mr.. Wuarcrobr brought up the Report of the Committee on the Duties on Copper. The Retro lUiions were agreed to, and • a Bill ordered accord ingly. • 1 Ma, PALMER. Mr. Wil.kitToN brought up the Report of the Corntnittee on Mr. Kilmer's Petition ; it was read a first time. On the Motion for the second reading, • Mr. BANKS& could not satisfy himself that be dis charged his public duty. without declaring that, in his opinion, this was one of the most extinerdimnr and unjustifiable demands upon the public purse that had ee,r ben made. He hoped 'that the House, recovelititi train the surprise which Mid occasioned their votis on a .late evening, would refuse to con firm that vote without a fall investiptiun of the sub jeit. He hoped also, that this occurrence would presto a lesson to his Right Honourable Friend, and . his successors, and that they would not lightly allow such applications to be made in future to Parliament under the sanction of the recommendation of the Crown. He contended that the Report of the Com. mittee was evidently inijuenced by motives of private feeling, and that it was contradided, not only by the former Report on the same subject, but alsh by the declaration of an Honourable Gentleman opposite, as Well as by the Condud of Mr. Pitr, than whotu no man was more tenacious of his word, or more abhorrent of any thing. like illiberality or injustice. Toe attempt made by the Petitioner, , to separate the saihy from the per centage was groundless, .1.16 was convinced chat there had been no bargain by which the House was dOpli%cl4 9f its discretion. A t iter . haviiig argued at considerable length iv 4 spl4. port of his opinions, cond,ided by expre'ising his hope Herat the House would resist this,.extray.igant and utifounded dttnand.. Mr. Wapi.untot was persuaded that after the port of Ow tjoinunttee, and the deeiNtuu of the other night, I . lionourauie Viiend must brake ogt a touc h stronger case than 1 410 lwd dope, holOre, he could in deco the I-lose to zeertie it judgment given runt from party bias, but on a due consideration of the' merits of the case. He entered into a detailed ex amination of the 'question, and maintained, that in every o,int of viuw Mr. Palmer was entitled to re ceive that which he claimed frotu the justice, not from the liberality of the country. Mr. FULLER declared his intention to go further than , be had done on Thursday, and to vote to Mr. Palmer the whole of the sum which he demanded. Mr. Rosa - was of - opinion; that' this waS the Most exceptionable demand he ever knew. If the House agreed to the Report, they would reward a Public (Officer for great and manifold misconflue: In the year 1799, the question had been decided against Mr. Palmer by a majority Of 112 to *8; but now, without any additional evidence oa the subjed, the; House were called upon to' do that which would shake their honour and' charader - more than . any . thing within his recolle&ion. Mr. WORTLEY, while-he admitted that a bargain had been made with Mr:Paltner, could not separate in his consideration - of the case the per centage from the salary. If the present was a question of right, Mr. Palmer had none ; if it was a question" of libera lity, the sum proposed to 'be voted was too consi derable. . Sir T. ToaToN contended, that the vote of the House on a recent evening bore on its front the cha ra6er of honesty and virtue. He defended the con duit of the Committee (of which he was a mem ber) from the imputation of partiality which had been cast upon it, hoping that the Reports of that Committee in whose Chair the Hon. Gentleman by whom the imputation had been thrown out, sat, would be as satisfaftory. So tiir from any surprise having'been attempted, six weeks notice had been given of the motion. He called upon the House„ by every principle of common honesty, to confirm their vote of the other night, and to set a precedent, that an injured individual might obtain redress from. a British House of Commons in-doors, if lie failed in obtaining it from a Minister out of doors. Mr. Loo opposed Mr. Paltner's elaiin, and stated that :in his examination. before the Committee, be had declared that the assertions of Mr. Palmer were inconsistent' and contradictory. The spirit of the agreement that had been entered into with Mr. Pal mer, was, that ho should . improve the • revenue by using every exertion to carry his own plan into eifeet. This compad he had violated; for this via lation be. was dismissed from office, and hence he concluded that he bad forfeited all right to _fur ther emolument. Lord MILTON, remarked on the inconsistency of the Gentlemen opposite, who after allowing that a bargain had been concluded with Mr. Palmer, flew ,off into a declamation on the mode of his tondua ing himself in office; which although. he blamed it as much as any. man could had no sort of bearing on his right to the fruits of Mr. Pahner's prior and positive agreement. Mr. S. BOURNS -could not see -the-ground on which the House were called 'upon to, reverse the decision of 179 p. The Report of the Committee. contained merely their opiniwon the :subjea, un supported by any evidence .whiteVer. He adverted to the causes which led to the necessary dismissal of Mr. Palmer from office, and.hinted at the ineonsist-' ency of Mr. Wiudham in respect to his present and former conduCt on this question. Sir Fa st4Cts BURDETT was strongly confirmed in the opinion which le.. had recently given upon this claim.. The Hon. Gentlemen opposite perpetually shifted their ground. First it was a bargain, then it was no bargain. What were the benefits that the .pnblic had derived ? He contended that they were considerable, and that the individual by whom thLy were suggested had the most unquestionable right to the remuneration for which . he had stipu lated. Mr. HoLioin 'defended Mr. Pitt's bargain, and contended that if that great man had felt it to be im provident, he never would have shrunk from ac knoe !edging it. • Mr...MaultYoT could not see any reason for chang ing the opinion which be had formerly expressed respecting Mr. Palmer's claims, not at least without the production of further documents and proofs in maintenance of these claims. Mr. SUMNER did not think the House could far ther proceed in the • business, consistently with its honour, without further evidence being produced, on which to ground its ultimate decision. Under that impression he would move that the present de bate be adjourned till 'cu-morrow se'nnight. On this amendment the House divided, ayes . 87 Noes 137 Majority for Mr. Palmer After strangers.were re-admitted into the Gallery, We found that some discussion had taken place on .the clause for referring to, or requiring the Treasury Accounts from the Post-Office, respecting. Mr. Pal mer's business, and that the Resolution was agreed to without a division, _ _ _ Tile further proceedings on this question was, however, after some conversation, deferred till Wed nesday next, in The Committee of Supply. The Carnatic Question is understood to stand for to-morrow; but Mr. PONSONBY wished 'to ascertain whether it was probable the business of the Local Militia could possibly be brought into discussion on the same slay. • The SECUETABY at WAR did not see the impossi bility of getting through both businesses on the same day. Should, however,' the discussion on the Car natic Question be protrgled beyond what he ex,- peaed, he should have no objection to defer - the Local Militia business till Wednesday. These points being, after some dit&ulty, adjusted, the other (*clerked the Day were divosed qt, and ;he Howse'adjourned at two eidocit. THE Epl:TO# OF IRE WN, MR. EDITOR, An innovation has for some time crept into the Vniical World, whiFli' is accompanied by an absur dity that is not unworthy of notice. It has lately been the practice '45.f 'several Composers to hal monize ballads that in their original state were powerfully recommended to, *the feelings . by 'simplicity in the sentiments and in the music. Whatever these songs 1 . 4 a gain in vs,,mt of science, by the new praelice, tbey . tizore than eqUally lose in their etfea upon tl,e heart ; to hay tiotklng of the bad taste of thoie who c i d ,nroy the charm. Of simplicity by c:htiriging the ori compositico, 111:1$ ucriticed at the shrine of Science. But . the most ridiculys cir cumstance attending these fantrestic changes,rs, the identity of the words, notwithstanding the re*lion in the music. While an individual was warbling " Uh .Nixny, wilt thou gang with me," or " Itluen,4rst yok coated me, 1 own," the auditor was disposed to 4ym pathize in the sentiments ; but w hen we hearfour or five persons, in turn, uttering the very same words, all sympathy must be lost in the sense of the absurdity. If, therefore, Mr. "Editor, the rage lot h a rmonizing those simple balladi, which have long been admire d . for their native pathos , should continue, it would be proper for the Musical Improvers to take a few Poets into their service, in order..to supply Other words, by which means consistency would be obsefved, and some unfortunate Sons of the Moses at leait might benefit by this fantastic innovation. aVord,Collee-house„ . CRITO.. • MAILS. Dublin. Du t--1 Cottenburgb, r Dublin, z Waterford. THE SUN. VIE DICARIL FALat.l3.4 ''LONDOIV, TunipAY, NAY 17, 1808. The following Letter from the Master of an Ame . rican Vessel arrived from Cadiz, was this morning received at Lloyd's : " I received a Note, by a Boat, after I left Ca diz, that there was an order in the town to detain all Americans in that Port. On the passage I saw a Ship bound to New York, from London, the Mas ter's name HOWARD, in company with a Privateer which she had captured and was conveying her for Bayonne." MEM.—The 'Science, riowAtiv, from London to New York, sailed from Cowes the lgth ult. .• ' ' lifirarbir Frlg2ffe latert drehe some of the Enmy's small craft under the batteries of Cu%* haven, which were immediately opened upon the Frigate. The batteries were silenced after an en gagetnent of some duration, and the town received, considerable damage. We are sorry, however, to add, that a Lieutenant and four men were killed on board the Frigate, and several wounded. IT was yesterday reported that all the differences between this Country and America had been ad justed by Mr. CANNING and Mr. PINCKNEY. We should be happy to confirm this account; but we are inclined to believe that it is unfounded. PalvtTa Letters from Holland have been received In Town, which give some interesting put icnlstrs re lating to what. passod at flourdeaux daring the time that BUONAPARTZ remained at that place, on.his recent journey to Bayonne. The Members of the Chamber of Commerce solicited an audience, which he granted, and be listened with attention to the me lancholy account which they Submitted to him re' speaing the lamentable state of the trade. at-thgt place. He professed to feel very much for the losses they had suffered, but could not give them any hope that Peace was likely to be restored. But by wnY of leisening the evil to the Proprietors of ;the yards, he offered them a Loan of i0,0(10,0u0 lirreip for five years, without interest, suggesting that they might give proper security to Government, by lour ing an adequate quantity of wine in the State depbtr, for sole. He encouraged them to einbitri: in the Privateer service, and ()tiered himself to take 1 1 thfi Pt in every Letter of Marque. He signified that he should assent to no pacific terms that did not promise a - lasting peace; but he endeavoured to comfor l them with an assurance, that when the evils of wiz, were at an end, they would have a full compensr tion for all their present distresses, in the new WO of commercial advantages which would be opened ID theM in South America. Hence, it bus been re' sonably inferred, that, in the Secret Articles of the Treaty with Spain, he has exaCited very important concessions of territory from the passive lastrnata t whom he hos thought proper to set upon thnThrone of that Country. Yesterday morning His MAJESTY, Princesses Ati• (MITA, SOPHIA, and AItE4IA, accompanied by Lady BULKBLRY, Count MUNSTIR, Hon. Mr. BIILSI LEY, Generals FITZROY and GWYNNI, and Colonel TAyLoa, rode in ttie Great Park, and retu rned et twelve. 'Jibe Quint; and Princess ELIZABETH t o ok snail'. in g in Her Majest' iihaetott to Princess Et.12 ,1 ' sIIETH'S cottage, at O l d Windsor, and returned at one. 1-10.14Asu5rY is expe6led in town to-morrow, t 0 hold a private Levee and Privy Council at the Queen i Palace. Bye Gentleman who reached town on Sattirdal, from Bourdeaux, we have been favoured with the following anecdote Lady of Gen. Moue/0 arrived in ant city from America', inDemnber Jol t ' No soone r had hi t: set her foot 'miler...WV ive.-tb ctre ' flan the servile municipality put her under arrest"' This conduti proved, as these Gentleonen had oilo v fated, perfectly agreeable, to Buotukt. ART• E s ! medistely con fi rmed the arrest. -His recent visit Bourdeaux was'cunsidereda le-ourable opportunitYi' txy 1119 4.litly, for lotreati h e ng her release. S aci'L' ingly requested an interview, bet in vain. His " 7- Rerial .Majesty was inexOrahle., at s he recil ; us confinement. who irti- -~