The Sun. — London, England, 1810-11-30 00:00:00

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Lord Viscount Valeutia, in the ' Since his eitaion, has accepted the Steward- ttitp or the Chiltern Handl-els- , - ' HIS MAIESTY. &qr. _ Secretary RIDER observed, that the House til ' ili dgaln re-a ssembled under the.same unhappy ctr hie,,',34,ces "to whi c h- hi s Ri g h t H on . -F r i en d n e a r th e k """ called th e i r attent io n at t h e i r l ast meeting ha v i,", ll ' e nted coritinuante of his Mitjcosiy s illness f ut made it impossible to take any isteasure either r.oro, • ,e ning the S ess io n i n the usual manner, or for th at ':" n g the Parliament to any further period Ili, N rght be deemed advisabie. In this dilemma cath,'JestY's Ministers l i ad t h oug ht it their duty to cil le Physicians before the Board of Privy Colin tre„,‘"h the view of ObiallliPg tram them a _state °l. their. OpiniOns. A copy Oi that statement he ye,. his hand, - and' having ho inaiis of con 410,:ltitlitgntict0att the House any inturrhation equally accurate, he Begged leave to lay it he ; t aAo., is order that it aright be read by tile • e t a • • th e t • YDER Was about to lay 'this document on x ." Ole, when E4tTr. TIERSEY suggested the propriety of making Tt a PrOeteding th e su bj ec t of a guest toil. S PLAxatt allowed that if any Hun. Member f°ttnall objected to t h e d e l iver i ng i n o f such a pa fic,,.3 it could trot best. delivered in wish Out a ques ce ; o therwise th e usage o f * t h e H ouse sa n c .i o ped th , t e ecelpt of it with tt a question. TrEaNix.ypidid not object to the reception of Paper, but 'ro the form of' its reception. lite, rec. (4 ; 4 c were not accust o tn , li withimt a quest i on to ot,; ae papers, except such as had been ordered tJ t a r _ ll° 'ico., or such as were 'resented to them by 4 7 of his Maj est y. T he present paper 'f e ll under t ,,,, lt her . Of th ese descriptions,, 'arid 'therefore, how cer4llportant in itself, h e con e that the House . iki btrst consult ;heir dignify by putting the re ffo the paper tea question.th y . Li ll e SPEAKER a d m i tte d that the -observations of tr - 1 onuuronie Gentleman ‘s'ere perfectly corred, 4e h ad bee n d ispose d to admit the prcs.ot PaPer ,- lout a n question, because in readint , time Journal's fa t 118 8) could rind r,o objeCtion ou a • P r oceedi rrg. 'notion, `` That this paper be now deli red in," was then put,' . and agreedto hem. con. 11 , )w • tOn W as also a. subsequent Moi` " That it be IL • was tlien 'read by the 'Cie, k as follow:, . -;-Y4iTrIN4TIO,\T OF THE PHYSICLINS. 't6ybrciL-CIiAM3ER, NOV- 2E, `lBlO '4OCI:OR I.IENkY REYNOLDS CALL ED IN 1 , ,N SWOK IkA'AINtI3. . 4 Yryl; A : - are uesacu to acquaint this t t _ - "ler the state'ot Majesty's b ea f t h 'is such as i'arrie.nder him incapaole ot cowing in person to his ll...lment, or ot attending to any hula ot'publtc A••••••• lits Majesty is certainly incapabl.: at present att ending 'his 'Parliament or transacting public b tlstnes s . " I qt. xv- • hat are the hope's you entertain of hig Ma rs recovery ? 11 ,.. • I hiv e very confident hopes of his Majesty's 11,.. •~I recovery. s w --13 0 you f oun d t h e O p i n i on , g'iveuin your an -8 er to the previous question, upon the parliculir r Y a ," l P,totris ot his Majesty's disorder, or upon, gene experience in other cases of the same , natute, .or upon both? •‘ A.--Upon both. c li, C4 " -- Wbether, in that particular species of the I ' o " ° 'der his M a j esty has fallen \ into, .it has, been tIl Ld irom exp er i ence that the greater num b er o f t e rsens - • so a e- ed have been cured • A.--Undoubtedly. Q you form any judgment, or probable :"uJeCture of th e d urat i on of tiis Majesty's illness 3. th• A 'No ; I cann o t . f orm.any d ec i s i t e o pi n i on up o n. tit 12 --tzbie6t it varies in diff eren t persons; and the c li e has Varied i n h i s Ma j esty ' s f ormer indispos,i ..ons. . . 3• nuag , (4 . - --Whether, as f ar as exper i ene enables you to. t° e Of Iris Maj est y' s di sorder, you t hi n k i t More lll3si bk that bss .Majesty will or will not recover, ° a s.to rende r him capable, of attending to public nusiil ess ?- think it touch more probable that . his Ma 7. Jest), will reco% er . M y uxpedations at present are yerY cofident-of his Majesty's recovery. I spea4 iS, "wever_ with re'erci:e to the uncertainty that always attends medical prrdi6tons: With thisrefe rellee, lsho-uld say, fr om ‘4, hat I see in kis Majesty, that I have no doubt of it. Q.--What degree of cx..:erience have you had, 7° ‘ ll self; in this partkuc::r . sptcies tii , ..)rkier? above forty ye..3rs praCCltl:u w' a nave seen -many instances Q..--•'Whether any aoluii,.l:t.:',l• Place in the course of the ai , pearance 0: ralts.at I.rrsent 11 KS Majesty i s ( t sort: that lie was tint v `4ltzcl.,y, and coutinues rep. v . , N you . lOund the Opinion given in your - answer to the, ; previous question upon the particular tymptonis , of his Majesty's disorder; or upon general experience in tither cases of the same nature, or upon both ? _A.—Upon both. (3.—Whether in that particolar species of the disorder his ,Majesty has Tanen into, tt has been lound frorrrexperience, that the greater number of persons so affected have been,cured ? • A. 7 74 believe the greater number are cured. • 4.—Can you form any judgment or probable conjeEture of the duration of his Majesty's ill ries ? A.--I cannot. Q.—Whether,' RO far as experience enables you to:lodge of his Majesty's disorder, you think it mote probable that his Majesty will or will nut re cover, so as to render him capable of attending to public business ) think .it more probable that his Majesty will be capable of attending to public business. degree' of experience have you had yourself in this particolx species of disorder I1: 7 -From my earliest infancy I have had opportu nities. of pbserVing complaints of this nature; as long as I remained under my father's roof. : During the last two . and.twenty years I have seen a great va riety Of cases.of this nature' in private practice. OIL- , Whether any. amendment has already taken place in the course of his Majesty's , disardor, and whether the appearance of such amendment con tinues at present A.—it very, considerable, amendment had taken "plate in his Majesty's disorder, which continued whenl left Windsor this morning. Council Chamber, IVhitehall, Nov. 29, 1810. DOCTOR MATTHEW BAILLI E CALLED IN., AND SWORN, AND EXAMINED. Q:—You are desired to acquaint this Board,whe- titer the state of- his Majesty's health is such as to render him incapable of coming in person to his Parliament, or of attending to any kind of public business.?. A.—l think his Majesty is at present incapable of coming to Parliament, or of attending to any pub lic business., Q;—What are the hop :s you entertain of his Ma jesty's recovery ? ihink it highly probable that his Majesty will recover. Q.—Do you found the opinion given in your answer to the previous question upon the•particular symptoms of hisiVl3jesty's . disorder, or upon gene ral experience in other caw, of the same nature, or upon both A.—lfound the.opinion which I deliveied as an answer to the second question, upon the considers. lion of the symptoms of his Majesty, upon perceiv ing no Jailute in the .or his * Majesty, upon th& soundnoss of his, 'Majesty's 'constitution, and ufon-the resetuLlance which his present illness has tie what I have heard of hiS for Mer illnesses of the same charatter.. , Q.-- : Whet her in that particular species of the disorder his MajN.Sty has fallen into, it has been found from experience, that the greinef number Of personi st, atieded have been cutO ? A.-1 believe that the greater number have re covered. • (4.—can . you form any judgment or prOhab)f.: coujeaure of the duratiOn of his Alijesty's ill ness ? A.-1 - .can form no idea of. the duration of his Majesty's present indisposition: If one considers what has taken place in his Majesty's former illy ens of the•safire - kind, it is probable that it way not con tinue ‘'ery . long. , Q..—Whet her, so far as experience enables you to judge of his Majesty's disorder, You think it inora probable that his Majesty will, or will not recot:er, so as io render him capable of attending to public business ? A.--I can perceive no failure of his I\l3jes. ty's faculties, and, therefore, I presume, it hi: IVlAjesty should recover, that he will recover witl the sante capacity for business as belore his preset) • Cl.—What degree of experience have you had, rotit - st•lf it) this particular Species of disc der A.—My experience I , vis not .been eXtensite.- have been. in business for twenty years, and have occasionally seen patients afflicted w ith com plaints of the- same general character as that of his Majesty. Q.—Whether any amendment. has already taken place in the'course. of his Majesty's disorder„ and whether the appearance of such amendment conti nues at present ? A.—His Majesty is considerably better than he, was ten days ago. He is certainly somewhat better than he was yesterday evening, and perhaps a shade better than yesterday morning. The Report was then laid on the table, - The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER felt it his duty to rise, for the purpose of suggesting to the c'ons'ideration of the House the course of proceeding which he trusted they would agree with built in adOt ing. He was persuaded, that while the House must have received a melancholy impression from the un anithous concurrence of his Majesty's Physicians, in answer to the first question that had been put to them, relative to the capability of his Majesty to-at tend to public business, they must also have derived considerable consolation and satisfaCtion from the re plies which had been made to the other questions proposed to thoae Gentlemen. He was persuaded that it had afforded a high gratification to those who heard him, and that it Mould afford a high gratifica tion to all his Majesty's loyal and affectionate sub jeas, to find that his Majesty's Physicians concurred unanimously in opinion with respea- to the great probabili:y 01 his Majesty's rvcovery, However P TI 1 - 1' 7 2 . 4/7; •• • - CPRIC;E StXP:ENCE HALE PENNY. 'cried the langnabf tfiest ,Genfierhen their serer timents were near;y Witu some shades of difference in their" expressions, they - had ait imiforinty deckited th eir conlidenf expettati.on at _ _ hi; Majesty's recart:r some carrying the expect. tation to as grost.,a'-41'estrim of certainty as could be supposed to winch - human and neces sarily von - I point to the expeela. lion thot joymlirheici out of the recovery ot his Ma• jesty, a point oi ~ o t lest ii'llip)rtance to the feeline stud happiness of As Majesty's strbj , cls, was the upi niou ot the Physicians that there was a tnir prospe& of his Majeity's recovery in Fmii a manlier as would enabkl him safely to if!slrrie the otre4.lion oi public business. On this naii -fit the suojeitt the A:louses MUM have lit-ard with peculiar nle,:tsure the: plrticp lar details of Dr. Her.rclen and Dr. iSaitlie.— Heberden had declared that Iv! founded his expect= tations of his Majesty's ri uovery on " the rresent integr; ty of Lis Majesty's faculties ;" and, br. Beeline " on avonsideration of the synptotns;of• jesty's disorder, and perceiving no failure in the fa— culties of his Majesty, and on the s,undness of his. Majesty's constitution." Thq Hoy se . and t e Coun%" try therefore, had oot only reason to indulge the pleasing expeZ,-tation of his Majesty's 'recovery, bdt to be assured that notwithstanding the advanced pe, 1104 of his Majesty's life, and notwithstanding_the circumstances Of tile present o f his Ma- jesty being the recurrence of a twiner on•!, his Ma jesty's Physicians 'expressed in their stateinents acs earnest confidence that' his Majesty would recover in sufficient energy to discharge the high duties of his station, and that he would , regain . a sound cons. stitntion, and an uninaired sta v e of mind. The next interesting point in the examinaticrn of the Pity. sicians to which the House would di+ eet their atten ticn, was the probable duration of his Majesty's illness, On this point the PhySicians, had given their, opinion with a caution and a reserve which might have been expected, and which did credit to, their testimony. They had stated themseL es generally to-be incapable of exactly determining. One said, that he could not satisfactorly conjecture, but. however uncertain the period, it would be found by referring to the examinations of Dr. Heberden and Dr. Baillie, that those Gentlemen were of opinion that the duration of his Majesty's illness would not be long. Thete was only aitut her point which it was material to consider, namely, the progress which the House had a right to indulge in believing, and which indeed they were assured, his Maj;sty hada', ready Made, To the questioos which lee..t been pro posed to les Majesty's Pity..icialis on a former ocea soin, a new qtiestion .tad been added. Ii was some consotitioa to reflect that it was a new ques , ion. It ‘k as some conselatioo ao find toat t!,eae was a pre sent propriety in such a question. Untortonaidy, at. the pefied of the examitiatioo of his Majesty's Physicians in 1788, no symptoms of abatemeet in his ,liitirder lu,tified the inmetora on of such a ques tion, as that which Mal . been proposed. The MM. , ner in which it te,d been answered evinced its pro priety and necessity Die Reynolds declared, " That his Majesty wss 'certainly .better, and that he was full as. well, if not better, on the day before, and Centinutal so that flaunting, than he had beau sihee he had- had the honour of aeetidoig him." Sir ' ford was of opinion " That a considerable amend. mem bad taken plaat; in his Majesty's health, in the coarse of the last twenty-fourhours; that his Majes ty's inentai health had v,,a-y much improved,ahhough • his b. indisposition had somewhat increased, art iadispoaition, however, which he had reason to sup pose, would be soon absted." Dr. Heberden de- Oared, " That he. thonght his - -Majesty consider ably amended." pr. Willis, the same, Dr. Baillie, examined the day alter the other physieitins,,exptess ed his canviction, """ That his Majesty was consider ably better than he was' ten dayS ago; that he was somewhat better than yesterday evening, and a shade better than yesterday morning." Let this statement of Dr. "Baillie's be compared with that . made on the preceding day by Dr.. Reynolds, " That up to the time of his examination his Majesty was well, if not better, than he had been since be had had the honour of attending hint ;" and from that comparison the House wouid derive the most pleasing assurance of his Majesty's progressiveamend- Ment., With this information before them—with the moral certainty of his Majesty's recovery from his present - indisposition—with the confident , belief that that recovery would be attended by acoriaplete restoration of the vigour of his Majesty's mind and t he soundness of his constien.ion-- 7 with the assurance that a considerable amendment had already taken place in his Majesty's bealth e alihough with an un certainty as to the period when his complete con valescence might be expected—with all these feel iugs and impressions the House had now to deter mine on the course which it would,be most expe dient for them to pursue. They had 'to determine' whether it would be proper for them to take,im mediate steps to supply the existing deficiency in the exercise of the Royal authority, or wheth:l it would not be more expedient under:the present cir cumstances, with a view also to give a facility to the :.speedy recovery of his adajesty, to pause .and to al low a further interval while as expettation-- a hope—or even a chance. appeared of , the accent plishmeut within, that interval of an event go.. de, sirable., In proposing to the House these two ques tions for their salons considermion, he might be al lowed to say that their present situation was one of extreme calamity, and deeply to be lamented. He was aware that the U.-use had only a choice of dita fieulties. They had only an attemative of evil. It was for them to all 6 late a, much as possible that evil by, their dikre.tiou and Wisdom. Under such circumstances, he did not presume to,suppo•e that he 6:raid offer any proposition thzit would in free • trout criticism or objection, but he did not Oluic. that on a view of the whole case, the House could not atq in a way mote. consonant to their own feel inei4 and to the tedings at the country, than iu the _FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 30, 1810. , - has been eitiCO r l had the honour 6 attend his Ma jesty in this illness. . . SIR 'HENRY HALL ORD, BART. CALLENEN AND SWOhNi AND EXAMINED.. desirt4 1u _acquaint this . Board, wh ther the state - of his Majesty's health is such'as to render him incapable at 'coining in pe'rsOn to leis Parliament, or of attending to any kind of public business ? A.--I diink it is such as to prevent his aiming to Parliament, or attending to public business. _ Q.—What are the hopes you entertain of his Ma jesty's recovery ? A.—l think it is in the highest -- degree probable, that his Majesly *ill recover. Q.—Do you found the opinion given in your an swer to tile, previous qustion upon the particular )foptoi - tis , of - his Majesty's disorder, or upon gene ral expetienZe is other cases of the same nature, or upon both . • • A.—Upon both. Q.—Whether in that particular species of the di,- order his M-jesty has fallen into, it has beat toond from experience that the greater number ot . persons, so affected, nave been cured./ A.—l believe so. Q.—Call you form any. judgment, or probable conjecture, of the dutation of his Majesty's ill ness ? A.—l cairriol form a satisfatiory conjedure.. so fir as'experience enables yin] to judge of his Majesty's disorder, you think it more probable, that his:Majesty will, Of will not, reco ver;so as to render him capable of attending to pub lic busitie - ss ? A.:-:—Mucti more pribil?le 'that his Majesty will recover. Q.—Wlidt decree of eiverierice. have you had yontelf in itt.'s - particular'species of disorder ? A.—ln the Cdhi - se , i3„l 19 years, a good number of cases must have'fillim Mittel my cognizance. Q.—Whet er any amendment has already taken place in the course of 'his Majesty's and whether the appearance of such amendment conti nues at present . ? . . A.—A very considerable am e nd m ent has taken p lace in his Majesty's syniptbnis'; in the course of the last tWenty-four hours his Majesty's mental health has 'improved; but in the same space his Majesty has been more indisposed bodily ; but I have, yuA,reason to believe, that I shall find that indispositioh much' tunigated on my return this evening. *DOCTOR WILLIAM HEBERDEN CALLED tN A'ND SWORN, AND EXAMINED. zre desired to acquaint this Board, whe. ther the tat of his Majesty's health is such as cider hitu incapanl of coming in person to Parhaulent, or Of.attending to any kind or publi, businesil consider . the, state of his Majesty's healtl to be such as to rtnderr l bim incapable of coming it .person his Parliament, or attending to public bu sines. What are the bcipes you entertain of his Ma. jest'y's . recoVery A.--Tire greatest eXpeefaiion of his Majesty's re, Covery. • (4..--Do You found the opinion given in yourail swer 'to the yrevi-tli question upon the particu ar symptom% of 11 th Majesty's ilsorder, or upon gene ral experience in other cases of the saute nature, or 'upon botii found my opinion upon the improvement' that has already' taken place in his indisposition and Lite present integrity of 'his faculties, and the and. , 14, , y this disorder bears to Ills former illness. Q..--LW! , :ether in, that particular species of • the disorder his Majesty has fallen into, it has been toundirom experience, that the greater number of persons so affected have been cured '? firmly believe that it does appear that the greater number of ixisons have been cured but own experience has nbt been great in that diS- order. s Q..---Can 'you farm arty judgment, or prObable conjeature 01 the duration 'of his Nlalesty's hitless ? A.-1 cat) form 'no judgment of the precise dura tion. In general I shouA judge that the duration cannot be U,.—Wbet her so far as experience enables you to judge of his Majesty's disorder, you think it more - probable that his Majesty will, or will not recover so as to render. hint capable of attending to public busi- ness ? A.—,l feel in my awn mind no-doubt that his M jesty will recover, and be capable of attending to public . bus►ness. Q'—What degree of experience have you had youl - self in this particular species of disorder ? A. —Very little experience. Q.—Whether any amendment his already taken place in ►he course of his Majesty's disorder, and -whether the appearance of such amendment conti nues at present ? A.—Considerable amendment has taken place in his Majesty's aisorder, and the amendment still con tinues. DOCTOR ROBERT DiRLING WILLIS CALLED IN AND SWORN, AND EXAMINED. Q.—You are desired to acquaint this Board, whe thei the state ()Ibis Majesty's health is such as to render hiin incapable of coining in person to his Par liament, or of attending to, any kind of public bu- ? A.—His'Majesty is incapable at present of corn to Parliament, or attending to any public busi- 9. —What are the hopes you entertain of his Ma r:ecoery ? A —1 cute' Lain very confident' hopes of his Ma s r.covery. •