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'(it'hC."l St, , te Was`an highly iniproper .'Burbe understood the Ilight''HonotittWe .Gentletnnu-np poiite had - reecired 'l6/Severe a reptirnand4vorn the highest' Chatieler in the State, that he would not increase the mortiftoinion which he must foci, by dwelling on the subjects. The most im pott.nit view of. the preienf question, wits not as it rtlatetd to 1?13 'tight Hon.irand, hut ;is it reiVf,ted o'n his Majesty's charaftet l , - nnc on his Majesty's arms: - His Majesty's late, Ministers 'had been de nomfced as having. exposed the King's charader to great' degradation,. biwing . coMmenCed 11 , 4 , .'in'iDeclaration of War, and 'for having exposed his mins to dishonour by a deficiency In their mill— tory planS. He severely censored the argument of t:.e Hon. ,Gentleman: opposite, who had recom niondect that no inquiry should take plar:e on the subjeel. Tibet might_ judge (tom that Hoti Gentle man's shouts 'and looki, during the speech'. of the Right lion. Gentleman opposite on a late evening, he approved of reading garbled extracts from letters s%en they went► to support persons in office ; but he spewed to disapprove the produ&ion of whole umentx, which tended to shewthe public that hA at least as faithful savants on that side of the 1-fonse as on the other. . Mr. • . Jowirroxi, m.explanation, •declareel, that hot Hononrable Secretary, on reading the cis to which the flight . Honourable Gentleman nett niet his RplirObatioll. l lac' CiPkiNCBLLOIi .ef the EXCHEQUER ~ , ,, , nght the Papers should be preduced. An Ho .)urable Gentleman had made a .motion, accom mit,d' with observations; pointedly criminating the Gentlemen opposite, who wished ter the .Papers to enable them to meet the accusation. • Unless, therefore, the produCtion .of •the Papers, would' be attended with-public inconvenience, whieh'clichtot appear toolle.the case, ho could see no ground tor ithholding them.. He vindicated. the Admiral ty trout the imputation of :having aeted in an un manly and - uticandid manner to the Right Honour-. able Gentleman, If they•had suppressed,' or ifithey bad burned, his communications, they Might hive justly been , accused ; but by returning them, they gave him the oppditutlity of bringing them be low' the public in any other shape which he chose. Mr. GRENVILLE explained. Mr. Caoxita would have, .been bet tee pleased, if P:pera 'had been called few which would have thrown hght on the planning of the Expedition, rather , that) •on the execution.' of it ; he thought that the Admiralty were bound to refuse the Right Hon. Centleman's letters, as they had done. , • A Member whose name we could not learn, de procnted,the discussion. Admiral MARKHAM ' stated what be knew with respect to the proceedings of the AdMiralty Board in transafit ions. He thought that Sir T. Louis's letter was a fair produetion of his Right Hon. Friend's, and that it ought to have been received by the Admiralty. On the suggestion of Mr. JOHNSTONR, one of the Motions uniletwent tin alteration, .by having it ex pressed, for !f Copies of such Letters as pissed be tween 'Mr. Arbuthnot and the Secretary of State, telative to the Expedition'te the Dardanelles, lnd the - Causes of the War betwwn this Country and Turkey:" This Motion, in its.fuended state, rind all the others were,' after a few obsemaions, agreed to. not go so far as his Bight 4on.".Friencl, ha sc k :l o , y-, Jedged that it might ,be ;; propet., .siotweitnes to,?Mitke "communications•to , Parliainenf of to ; but thought tiny. wcr ought: not . tn make too easy an - avenue , . to the introdualon of ,su.:ll getter4l prat-lice. r.: could notAaor to hear in bilenee, !'such Janguage;as hack'bven i Right Hon. Secretary, Int.the best times of, English hist ory„the . conduellot.per,aons l in the lAigheSt Aations, whether 141inigter o,l:.Prince % .were•opent , , fairly., and:boldly_ I:discussed in Parliament: it was only at,the rriost din ' graceful periods that we tind great tuen,bave,shronk trom.ptiblicity, and Parliament was .too easily led by confidence in a great name, or a high-sounding If Members of Parliament were to understand that the power of France had this etfe6l, they had,better say to their Constituents, that the power of Buona parte was so gre=at,: that it not only subverted or .rais ed up kingdoms at will upon the ,Continent, but that it succeeded ih robbing them of their free Con stit ittion. . • Mr.. WitiralAbi said. a few words to the same . ef fea. The House then divided, and the numbers. were-- For the Motion - - 82 For.the Amendment - -I'2 Majority Go • • Lord HENRY Pirrv t r.moved, that an !nubble Ad dress be presented, to his 'Majesty, praying that he may be most graciously pleased to order, that there be..laid before the House ; Copies of the Communica tions between our Government and that of the United States of America, respeding.a Treaty between the .two Nations.—Ordered. On the Motion of Dr, LAWiIIiNCE, it was agreed that-soave documents relative to Prize Causes in the ; Admiralty; be laid before the House. • • Adjourned at fialf fast Twelve.. , Due-•B'Crittraburgli. IiKICE OF SVICK S DAYTHIS AT TWILY It O'CLOCK. C611501$ T E SU N. SOLL:i QUI! D1C&& PALII/14 AUDEAT ? L 0 N'b 0 IV,. TUESDAY, FEBRUARY le, 1808. AFFAIRS OF PORTUGAL. Air. A BERCROMBIE-movki, that au h u mble Address be presented , to-his:Majesty, praying that lle may be f'r'ost gracionslyvleased to order4hat there lie laid before the Houso,:. Copies of the lif4tralions that were sett out to the Harl of. St: Vincent,—karl Rosslyn, and Gcrierai Sinicoe, in the year 14366; , WhiLit they weft: off Illy Tagus, , After a few observalions from Mr. CANNIN9,•the Motion was -carried nem . con. •` • • Mr. Ar, sac noNritim next , moved for . the produc tion of' MI the • official comtmanications bich were made by. the Earls Rosslyn or Sr. 'Vincent, to the Prince Regent of. Portugal, together with the An swersThercto. ; Mr. CANNING tibtierved, that if the; Hon. Gen thimanhad communicated with him a: feW mihutes rrevietta to his making the motion; , heiwnald have inforrhed him of , a- mode by which he WOLlici sin less against public expediency, and at the sznii e time attain t objeit•Which he'appeared to have in view...As the matter now stood; he was in duty bound to , iippose the motion: It the communication were th be now made int he debate;'and afterwards :transplanted into the Netyva perm; the i.e teas note Sovereign in Enrol)* who would not hereafter 'etitrenelf.himself behind etiquette, and refuse to,hold any direct cow:mince» that with a British Minister. He Wag glad that lied an opportunity of making a stand against the practice of disclosing 'what iqtssed in ethifideinie be tween a British Minister and a Foreign Prinde. iitlr...-/DAM opposed the principle laid down by t; e Right Hon., Secretary, and .expreased, his stir. prise at hearing such (latrine first broached by:the person, who, own fotmernighf, read in that Eiou6e urrais of 'doentnents which belooge t i -w and en far insulted the Constitution 'as to withhold the:document,• which he had partially cr)tcd, irtim Parliament : He should shoal) , bring forward , a motion on this 'sabjeet, in order that .the Howe ;might be. convintled how it stood in this:respeot, and where the boundaries ..of the CrAwn,were _ . N_,ll', CANNING suggested 'an amendment, by which the instruaions to Lord Rosdyn, &e, and an Account of their Expedition, would be, given, - AO that the substance only of what passed at the Curt of 'Lisbon would be obtained.--l'he Amend ment was then agreed to. Upon Mr., AntnicaoSsatt's third Motion being put, for obtaining Copies of the Order. of Recall of Si. Viticknt, &c. and of the Dispatches contain.• ing at') Aceouut of what passed at their audience or L-avc, Mt. CANNING made an obje6tion to the port of the Motion, also upon grounds of de lic:„te attention to etiquette, and the mischief that m ipo iro4u publishing official comMunications o f :.!,at nature: _ _ Mr. Sli R111.41V hoped the Right Hon. 'Gentle man would not. confine himself narrowly -to the pro. tilm, King or Emperor. Was oot,,the rank of I , lrAt .."(Instd of France nearly equal to that of s Mo narch 1 And what .were the communications olLord Whitworth, when we thought fit tobreak ‘ith that Vint Consul did they not contain detail, of priVete conferences wlticli it Win tbonsla necessary toeolau tronicate YESTgatIAN Debates of considerable length and importance took place in both Houses of Parliainent. In the House of Lords the Orders in Council formed the subject of discussion, and a Motion of Lord Ati,clU.ANu, for referring to a Committee the Papers laid before the House on the subject of the Regula tions respecting the Trade of 'Neutrals with France, was negatived by ,a Majoyity.of 53. ;• In the Hunse of Commons, Mr. T. GftexviLLE made his peornised Motion for Papers respecting the Expedition to Constantinople, which, with a few e'Keoptions, were granted. ',Trion the arrival of Sir C. Co-yro ntT the Tagus, Sir SIDNEY Smmt sailed for the Brazils, to take the comntatid . pt the rtivOl I,l'oree in that quarter. • I ,1 With such a Viva' ai ours. which has extleriertee'd no. thing but rlecid.4 victory in every part of the world,. we " are now to be told, tbitt.,we had oc, - ..:sioit to be atr.ltd of e:ig‘trem Skip belonging to a l'ower that'had nut ptahis c d " naval' manceuvri-s for ho many years, and which wcrct to be I. lent to the French who, &trice the battle of ratalgar. " have swt been • able- to quit, their hathouts unless by. " 5ic4411.7!.-IMoitooNo Coaotneit,e). This is one .of the.many cluriptions to which the Opposition have recourse, both, within and without the House, to weaken, if puotible, the etfe6t which the wise and vtorons Expedition to the Baltic has prOduced on the public . mind, and to palliate Or ex cube the ck torpidity of their own hateful Ad rninist ratiOn. • By . what fatality '4 . 11W :111e Party cannot taloa •• • •, a single step .without'expoting eit,Ler their ill riiih or their • imbecility;? Every document for which they li I've elan4intred in either House, and which bas to ep granteci with a 4cility, that seerns to Wye equally mortified .and astonished •them, has turned to:thvii utter confusion, and defeated-, •in every in 'Aimee, the charge whic:i it : was eirPeaed to estd blisb 1 • • ;Nothing was so loudly and so pathetically dwelt on, .asthe:sofferings of the rransports on their re turn from the Ball c a in'consequence of the want of orders from Admiral GAMI3IIA ; and ,one Paper, do. oted to the passions of a great Naval Officer, has had the maligruiitsatisfaCtionof seeing its Ataternents respecting " the wanton shipwreck" of the German Troops, copied into the . Moniteur, and, with kindred spirit, addressed to the feelings of the Hanoverian N.ation! ! ! In an evil hour, the Opposition were, persuaded to call for the Produaiou " 61 such Dire6tionsis were, given to the Transports on their return," believing, as itiShould seem, with the Paper in question, that none' were issued ; and that a sensible blow might be thus, given to (he Ministry, through the sides of Admiral GAMBLER. The Directions, however, were , produc ed, and roupd to bOat once judicious, 'precise; and . humane ; permitting the Fleet,. under adequate pro-, teetion, to make for a variety of Ports, as ocCasion might serve, or the season allow : and from that in stant• their partizans have p4lerred a sullen silence on " the cruelty of 'condemning all the Ships to he 111 the exposed and, dangerous Roads of Yarnlbut 11. 4 We bhall find an opportunity of sheaving that Lil es failure lens taken place - on every occasion i n w'hich document have been deinanded with a view „ „.. . present we :must content ourselves witar 9Ait,og,l ie paragraplt which-we have given av the head of' this article.; am) whichjtideed, contains a:faithful suit ;nary of :Ali that has been advanced by, thejeaders Of,; Opposition , on the great question whith,ll3B lessly engrossed the time t •of both HotiVes% • , • • •.In stating the number of Ships' f '” of tvltich' we • were :afi-aid,"-at eighteen, there is a miserable at 7,. tempt at 'fallbacy, vitieh we Were sorry to see pat in pradice on a more serious occasion.. true„, that we found but eighteen Sail of the Line afloat at Copenhagen; but there were four huge Ships .on the stocks, which would 'have been etni ;Owed .by the' end of,: April, and. which we properly destroyed, • and two seventy-fours in 2one of the. Norwegian iNbielf a "navigation of . a few hours would- have added to the rest. Thus,' instead of eighteen, there would have been. twenty , four Sail of the Line "to be, afraid of; Whhont counting sixteen. stout Frigates, noW'happilY in our harbours, and smaller Vessels of War without num. , . , ber. By some unaccountable depravity Of memory, the latter force is always forgotten ,by the Ojiposi-,: Lion Speakers, as ,well as Writers, who can recollect nothing of all the Danish Navy hut eighteen rot. ten hulks !" Indeed, kohl the ditferent tenni which they make use of when treating of the " valnable acquisitions" made by theyiench in Portugal, it'ap pears that they ,consider the three crazy wrecks in the Tagus as a more formidable means of offence than all that we have taken from Denmark! But these'" object s of our tear," belong to ‘! i Power that has not pratlised naval manceuvresfo l . eighteen years," and 'consequently can have no.sai iors fit for service. , When will the Opposition learn the value of con sistency ; spiders, as naturalists tell us, might make silk if they could be persuaded * to live together ; and certainly a weak argument might be made to appear strong by uonfederacy. The Herculean 0b . ,. *quit, and which has been urged with the most in decent violende against the Expedition to Copenhagen ) is—that " by the unjust seizure - of a few rotten hulks, we have alienated the minds of the Danes, and forced an A BLE AND szttr,rtm body of Seamen. into the service of France, which is anti enabled to send .her Sh , ps to sea!" And it now appears, fretn the Mouth-piece , of the Party, which never speak s but . , by orders from ,Head-quarters,"that thosektive and hardy Mariners, ,whose ability to injure us, was' lately rung in a peal of terra through the Nation,. are a lubberly set of fresh-water Sailers, , Who " have not praelised a naval inanatuvre for eighteen yyars ! ! !", To remark on the glaring inconsistency of those statethents, which originate in a violent - inclination 'to do . misclfef, without the requisite ta lents, would be to abuse the patience of our ReAdes . , We trust that the admirers of such transcendant surdity make all clue advantage of it. " These ShiN.were to be lent to the French, who since the Battle of Trafalgar have not been able. to quit their Harbours, unless by stealth." ‘Thtfi'ls • true ; and it seems au argument worthy of all, the Talents, and perfealy consonant to their praCtice while in otlice;' that becau 'se the immortal NELSON' . (whose natne we never ,prottotince but with mingled sorrow and veneration) destroyed twcuty-throe Sail of the Line at Trafalgar, the French ,should, there fore, be generously allowed to supply the defiCiency in their Navy, by " borrowing " twenty-four , from Denmark !I! . . . Butwere twenty-four - Line of Battle Ships really all that France' wanted " to borrow ?" In general,- he x :. .loanS, or to speak more correeflY, her has not been of a moderate kind, but, in every instance which has come to ounknowledge, have Jitrigehod to the utmost boUnds of possibility. Itt the vresen t case, .she,had previonsly persUaded Russia commodate". her with eighteen Sail oldie Line, and twelve - Irrigates, solely, as that Magnanimous PoWer confesses in as many words, the just purpose, of enabling her; to conquer the Liberty of the Seas These, added to the former, would haVe compotied a tolerable Fleet. of forty-two Sail of the•Litie, and twenty-eight . Frigates. BLit France had nut yet • done with "borrowing".! On 'the opposite side of . the Baltic' lay' twelve seventy-fours, and as many Frigates, in most excellent eonditiop.- , Of' all these, the French, with an -overwhelming fort :e by Laiid and' Sea, would hate obtained "the loan," and, perhaps, . of. no small' part of SWeden, into-the bargain ! This deep laid and destructiye, scheme, which nothing could have prevented but the Lionel) , AC.l . l*'itY of Government, would have . placed at the disposal bf. . our inveterate Enemy the . most formidable Fleet of which France was ever possessed, and in - a . situation themost favourable for annoying ns which she ever enjoyed. The Baltic hwernts * With Merchant Ships, which would have b eets converted into Transports, for the innumerable hosts of French that. lined , its • Coasts, and co;iVeyed to Scotland, or the North of Ireland, v;lienever out Vessels (sUpposing that we Could have spared sutticient to watch thein„) had been blots,n it u ra their slation, by tutu twq hundred ,Sbir;.ol r have cx3E ) - 4crated in the slighteo degree, and which we - .solemnly assure our Readers, we know to 'laid' 'bee.tVqbeditdied, the Country haa been I reszued., ,by, the wisdotn''Of - Min liters,' in the French, auct„geviously r‘ bor., tlieL , Oppositiowsbilapers express it; NavY Of actin-lark; on . ./Aich the exebu. tion , 3kf i the whole rested. It is for this salu tary' energy ) . r Lich loran so, glorious .a• contrast to the listlCtig; and 'pernicious stupor of their *mime diate_predeeessors, that they have, been reviled, the Country fatigued, and. the business of the nation im peded by senseless'and never•endingclamours on po litical virtte, Whielt, as ,ari absira& priheitile, is Only' fitted for a Chime for school-boys; andias main tained on onelide only, , leads directly to politica displution . i t GENERAL Ii HITELOCKk's 11.1114 L. SIXTEENTH DAY. YESTERDAY the exAloinatiOn : of Qapt. SQUIR4S, of the artillery, : Major ROCHE.; ..the bearer. of the Flag of. Truce, was _concluded, avd : that of Mr. BULLOCK, Deputy - Commissaly - General, com menced, which occupied the attention, of the Court until it broke up. Mr. But.,Locx's evidence, whicll was of a very interesting kind, was this mOrning re sumed. i . t PORTSMOUTH, FRB. .15.—Arrived His Majesty's Ship Avenger, with a convoy, Iron% the Downs. Sailed His Majesty's Ship ll . yacinth., with Dis patches, for the Brazils ; and the Portmahon on a cruize.—Also sailed from Lymington His Majesty's Ship Pelter, with a Fleet for the Mediterranean: Se" 'vend Coasters bound for the Westward sailed with.,_ them. • DEAL, FEB. 35.—Sailed through the Downs for Portsmouth the Rolla, TnomrsoN; for Malta. Arrived his Maje Sty's Ships Mutine, Royalist, Pandora, Blazer, and the Furious, • from a cruize, and remain in the Downs with the Ships as per last. We are obliged topostpone till to-morrow, the State Papers pteqeeted yesterday, by His Majesty's Command, to both •Houses of Parliament,.viz. the ,Note from Mr. KIST; Charge d'Affaires from the Court of Dentnarky relitiVe• to the,Order in Coun cil, of the 7th January, 1807, to Lord Howler., and his Lordship's Answer, Last night we. received some further FACtraas from the Frynch Papers, of wh ch the following are the principal : 7 " AtOrt4RDAM, JAN. 93.—The Enghhh 'Bit. of ;,War the Spereler, of 20 guns and A 3 men, is wreck- , og near Terschelling; 3(1 of the crew were saved ; the rest were drowned. . 1 / COP lOWA GEN,iJA t 2.—Translations are mak ing, with all expedition, of the extreiwily curious pieces of Miuisterial,Correspondence ,tmt ween . Den mark and Sweden. These will afforda striking proof of then-means which the Englisn,Goraiernment have oot been ashamed to employ to attain •their end. d' CONSTA NTINOPLE, Dec. • :I 9 Persian Officers charged with a particular Almission io the French Ambassador, have embarked at rrebisoude, to . pass the Black Sea, on their way. to Con. stamitinopleh' The Merchants trading to St, IDemin,vp, .and the. Proprietors of .articles the produce. that . Is4ted, , lately imporied into this country,' met , yester.:ay at the City of. Landoll Tavern, when it as resolved to-preseut.e.:Memorial to the ,Chancehor of this Ptchequer, stating the ,great 4raardship.they,sustain tit. consequence, of then new duty imposed r upee' coffee, &c. and. prayißg that the..cargoes of all Ugh • Vessels. as had obtained, the King's licence, to import the =produceof St. Domingo should be ex 011 1.14 fraimani „the new duty, as .the coffee cannot, at this ompultrant,. be sold tor . . its original cost, Should 'any licences be hereafter. applied for,. now .that tentions of Governmeut are known, the Merchants. , agree.Amost eheertnily to pay the new . duty ; upon all importations made pursuant to s uc h f u ture o licences , Committee was appointed to wait upon time CHAN. II CELLO of the EiCHEIWEIt with the Memorial this day. the in- One of the Opposition Papers traffeEts to discredit the report from, Guernsey respecting . the Fleet of, large'Ships aepn op the 24th ult.. because ' he can-.„ not ,see Hhy a Dine should speak truth !"- Call y 0,4 this backing your friends ? " Wo. arc sure," add the . . Writer, " that if, we were Danes„ we should feel nu inclinatign to tae correct in our :inferma non !! !" Front the general habits at inaccuracy apd decepraion which are so, visible in every .depart 7 meat of L ht, Paper in question, ("here cao he no possible dpubt of the Wm itees invincible aptitude to mislead still, however, we are somewhat surprised at the simplicity of the coplession, ,for which, here appears no immediate necessity. . . A charge has been exhibited by the friends of young Lady in St. James's, agaiinica'Gentlturan at turf celebrity„tar an attack and violation of her per- , son, under peculiarly.. singular circumstances. Thp offence was said to have been commit ted'at the house, of this friend' of the accused, who has absented,him self. ~The yettog..4ady is in her torah year, and tho, danghter,ol: o , Q pi4ent man. A 1 , .v days will pro-. bably bring, something further to ligin on the bu!•:.. siness. . . , . PAMELA, the supprised daughterOf the late Dulte of.()I and wile :of the late Lord Low ASD, FITZGERALD, stated to have been tor same titres past in this country, and to have effected her escape. In the cartel which conveyed Prince tSTE.RIIAZY eiDd other foreigners from Dover tp Calais on Friday latit. BY a Vessel arrived in the River from Lisbon, which place sheleft on the 26th-tilt. accounti have been received that General .I.utiors army had licen reinforced to 60,000 men—an expedient which was rendered necessary.from the growing discontent and hostility of the people towards their oppressois. Di/U.) Yesterday, at his house in Harley-street, ;►; the 1 yE3C Of his age, Thomas Edwards Freeman, libg. or hattesioid, in Gloucestershire, • . 'LoNnom : Printed by R. liAxese of Martleott.csoouurtth, .ItOw-strer), and published by W. A. Sce nits (f MOttliclll•etreAti Itt 31111. 0 0 1 Gei 1 1 2 i. St d*