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. a ; F `;clared qdite well ; I understood it did not last liNe a mouth or two, or,a few weeks : but I only, peak from hearsay in this respei. Cf Q. Then, in fad, you ceased to visit the King in 'is former illness, after he was declared quite well ? vp-A. Yes. Q. And you have heard that, subsequent to that ieclsration, there were oCeaSibital paroxysms of the a iisorder, though, slight attd short:?---A. They could etardly be called,, aroxysms; it was more a hurry di manner than any thing else; as I - understood r irom those who saw his Majesty. t. Q. Were you a party to the decimation, in the ' three former illnesses, that the King was perfealy. well ?=.A. Not in the three former instances : at i.the time thAt I declared the King to be well, in the year I 788; I then thought'the King well; that was, t , I think, in the beginning of March, 1789. e Were you a party to the declaration, thatthe IF.,ing Was perfectly well in 189 ?—I was. • Q. In 1801, weic you a fi'arty to the declaration, that the King was perfectly well ?—A. No; in 1801, after the King was so touch better, that the bulletins ceased in the morning, I withdrew. The King was going then to Kew; and I thought the King was so well, I did not apprehend it to be ne cpsiary for me to attend any longer. The King had a ;relapse, funderstood at Kew ; but I did nut .see him in that relapse. Q. 'Can you recoiled the date of the lastbullef in, that \vas - signed by you in the year 1801 ?—A. N 6, X have no memorandum of it. Q.. Who were the Medical attendants upon the Ktng: on his relapse at Kew in 1801 ?—A. I be lieve the late Dr. GiSborne, and Dr. John and Dr, Robert Willis. Ido not 'know whether Mr. Dun das might see 'him but they were the only Phyoi ciatwattending him at that tune. Q: Were-you a party to the declaration, that' the King Was pettedly well, in the year 18u- VYes, I thihk - T wa4 al that time: Q. Vas .there any relapse after that - declaration in that illness 1- 7 11.. Not any tbat I uudei'stuoci ; I did 'not see his Majesty. alter that • but .1 never beard of any afterwards. ' • - • la. Wheti yUu withdrew in the year tsat, was it in consequence of any difference of opinion - with the, caner Medical attendants ?-11. None in 'the itror4 ; it was merely because I thought that tit?. Was.a great deal better, and that my attend ance was tio_l9tigtr nocessary at that time. have mentioned: the King's competency to .btisinesS• in• the intervals of .periods of ti'urries which may occur att:.tr the.disease has in a rent measure ceased ; during those,periods (if tigrey, do yoi think that the King _would be competent to tratisati ‘my business, public or priva , e ?—A. f can. riot answeu that qUestion (rum triy own . knowledge; but what I Understood was this, that if the King was, from any little opposition, rather .in a flurry, if bdWas told there was any business to transact, it composed hi.m directly : "that was the te,timony Oa-Was given to: me by several persons who sow hiM at the time. Q. WV° were the persons. \N ho gave you that testimony ?—A. I cannot tell exactly now ; it was those' who were about l•inn at the time ; I think' I heard something of that hind from Di.l - Lberden, but I do not mean to rely upon . my quotntion: Q. 'ln 1801 there was . a.relapse I—A. Yes. Q. But atter die complete recover ie3 in 1789 and 1804, tilos:: flurries occurred ?—A. Yes I did not understand here Was any relapse in the first nor in 1804. I believe, as lar as I can recollect, taking the whole together, that illness was shOrter than that of the year 1788 and 1789 ; even taking in the period of the relapse, the whole of the at tack was shorter, because in 1788 the complaint com menced in 06tober, and we did not declare the King welhill the beginning of March. In 1801, it commenced in February ; and I think the King was well before the end of May, and that includes the period of relapse. . _ Q. At the time. you ceased, to, attend the King, in 1)30 t, was there any declaration' wade that he was completely recovered ?—A. No_ declaration' was then made that he was completely . recovered. I do not recoiled what the last bulletin was ; but I know that I . thought the King so well, that I. could take my leave of him with propriety, and I did it ;. see ing the King getting better, and understanding that • he was soon guing to Kew, I thought that it would bave a good appearance to the public that I had withdrawn; that it would be a confirmation to the public that the King was getting well. Q. Did you ,e , iteem the King well at the time you withdrew your attendance upon him ?—A. I •shonld ratherthink that , I.clid trunk him well at that time; I thought :him so 'nearly so - that I could very safely withdraw.. . . Q.: You wished the public to understand, from your withdrawing from. attendance that the King was well ?—A. I. wished so, , because I thought tor myself. But I do i not reeolled the precise terins of the lust ; _but I am sure I never signed any; thing that I did not think. • CI. The Commit teeis. to understand that the comi plete recovery of. ftie.fOog is Ow same as tile eona pjvte recovery of any,other person oi the saine disc . order, to be intrusted with any thing h e may b a „i to transact, whether public or. private ?11. I think so. -U. There is - no diarence, in your estitnation, betWeeti the teeovery of the King and :that, of any ether person.'----A. None, in n:1 estiinaLon. U. is the peesent age of his,Najesty likely more to atfect:the duration "of his illness wan his age at the respective, periods of his former attacks of this disordeq?—A. I can. only answer that, iAuestipri by saying, that age seems to 'hay.e.made very fevrde- - predations upon his Majesty. ,He is apparently younger and stronger, than .mapy persons much. younger that) himselt; sitd;,therelore touch better able to resist, the effeti of, disease th:a? syveral : per- .. sons younger than himself ,I.yould be, Q.. You will, in your answer, compare his Ma: jesty, with ,other persons, but with himself only ; does his pre Sent age r more or leas / affea the probability of the .duration- of the disorder than his age at the former periods of attach I should ' appreiteud that it must have some eWett, though I do not see that he has at pres'ent suffered from laia age. Q: A the period of his M , jesty's former attack, in 1804, waslis Majesty's sight as . tnue4afreaed as it is at present ?—A. No; I did not observe that his Majesty had all . defedof sight at that period. Q. Is Majesty's sight now become very de febtive ?—A. Very (YeTet,ctive. Q.—ls that defeat of sight likely, to have any in fluence upon his Majesty's ultimate recovery , from the disease", be likely to have any . influence-npon the duration of the. d , sorder, I;tippoiiiik, him nl2:- matey to recover ?—A.. During a certain period of the diseaso, and.under certain cunis tan ces, his be ing blind, is rather a beneficial circumstance, be-• cause: it intercepts some sources of ire itai jou ; but at another period of the disease, it will be adverse to bc , cause it also intercepts smile sources of amusement- Q. Computing, then, the different tendencies of the defectiveness of his Majesty's sight, do you, up on the whole, c.oicluie teat the detect ot sight is livoinable or tinfavourable to the ultimate recovery of his M ijesty, or tends to shorten or to prolong the duration . of his illness, supposing him ultimately' to recover ?—A. That is 'a questioo 'I can baldly make up my mind to :• r see operate sarnexiines' for his benefit ; and there 'are times when I think' that the loss ot sight 14ill be a grievance, by prevent ing the amusing him and abstracting hiin from him self:' but what effet,l it will have upon the protract'. ing or accelerating his recovery, is a great deal more than I can give a definitive ,answer to. - Q. In persons labouring under the disease under which his ;Majesty now unfortUnately labours, do not the pet sons attending them, address their CULL,- tellalleeS and manner, very frequently, very much to the eye of the aglided person :Yes, un doubtedly. Q. Does not the eye afford, to the , peisons. at tending persons afilitied as his Majesty is, when ur_ it's perfect state, a means ot control over the aftd ed person have understood that sometimes, that effect ha's been produced, but I cannot say that I es er saw any remarkable iust:tese ot.it; Q. Was not Dr:Simmons called in, to attend. the King, at the coiuwcncement ot his proem ? —A. I nndeistood he, was; but that was bettAe was there. Q. F 1 did not continue in that attendance ?—A. He did nutsee'►he King. Q. Are you more or less sanguine in your hopes of the King's ultuna►e recovery, t han you were when you were examined before the Privy Council 3. —A. I am not less sanguine of his ultimate recovery than I was then. HaVe you experienced any disappointment, in, ,the expettations you entertained when you weretx amined before the Privy Council as to his Maktsty's recovery, As to the time of it ?—A. INl2jesty's relapse, after the examination of the physicians be fore the Privy Council,: certainly. distressed us, and put the prospect of immediate recovery to a greater distance, but I do riot think of ultimate recovery. Q. Are you of opinion, that a person, having had, with an interval of severallears repeated attacksof this. malady, is on the last attack more or less likely to recover, than a pe'tson who has not been so pre viously subject to, attack I should rather think that the circutnStance of his having got well before, from similar attacts, is a foundation ol hope, that be wilt fronl this. Does advanced age, coupled with prior attacks of 'lid same disorder, with which his Alajes y is now afflitted, make any difference in your calculaion, as to . the pi bbab:lity of his recovery It would in any other case; but there is something so peculiar, in the King's I do not think it has shaken our con fidence. . • Q, What are_ the peculiarities which take the • King's MC OUt of your general observation Those circumstances to winch I have alluded before, the vigour still of certain faculties of his mind,. and there being no mark of fatuity about him. Q. You have silted that you understood the cause of his Majesty's present malady to have been 'his anxiety about the Princess Amelia; have you. been informed, what were supposed to be the causes of the attacks his Majesty had in 1788, 1801, and 1804 3 - or whether these attacks were referred to any known cause ?—A. I do not know that. the first attack was referred to any known cause; - in 1.801 did understand there Was a cause ; I did not under stand that in 1804 there was any assignable cause. Q. When you were called in on the 3d of No vember, did the Physicians, who.had been previous ly in attendance, inform you when the iitst sytnp 'tom of bis Majesty's present complaint was observed by them ?—A.. I think . they 'told me on the 25th of October. Q. Have any of the Royal Fathily seen his Ma jesiy atnce you havebeen in 'attendance No. Q. Has any person, other than the Physicians and the .Attendants under their inspedion, seen his Majesty sinct you have been in attendance?—A. The LOrd Chancellor saw him the day before yester day. Q; Did the. Lord Chancellor apply to you, asking your opinion as to the propriety or impropriety of seeing his Majesty before he saw him ?—A. Yes, he 9., Had any of the Royal Family, , previously , for permission to.see his Majesty i—A. Not that we understood; . . G,/, Was it with the unanimous concurrence of the PhYsicians;that no injury could arise to his M jesty's health, that the Lord Chancellor.-Was.p.eti initted to see his Majesty the day . before:yesterday!? —A. There was no absolute dissentient; .thefe.wAs 3 discussion on. the subject; and there'waS' a doullti on some of obi milids; whether it would do him good or irritate him :. but his Majesty had been -in-' formed the Chancellor, was to•be there, imid it 'wts then deeidect amongst us,' that as tliat.was the case, and he 'seetneA 'to - have macre 'his mind to.the. seeing the Chancellor, there . iwas - mote chanCe of itritation by - preventing it, than, there vas by the' Chancellor's seeing'-him and therefore the Chan cellor Saw him with the unanimous concurrence 'of all, after that discussion. Q.. By whomw was his Majesty inforrned ; that. the • Chancellor would be there, and was that intbrina lion g'iven thr'his'MajeSty with.' the . knoWledge and consent of alt the' Physicians in attendance . believe Sir Henry Haltord was the person who iu, turmoil hi. Mlit-!;ty tilt; CbanCellor w;vais to he mere. Q. W.th the knowlebe and concurrence rif the Physicians ?—A. Not al the ;line ;.. Sir 'henry . Halford „was &one •with- the- King .`at the tine he ,told and we did not hear of it tilt after- Q. Then.: the day before yesterday, cons& qttence of such infortnatiop conveyed to his jestri ycra — and the -other Physieians;:had none , tin,t a elidice of evils to c ho-su from; that was whether he would be itri:ated by seing him, or More irritated by not seeing That was not eit.attly the case: , we had some hopes that the seeing the Chancellt.r irtight give the King more self-potiseSsibO, and I do nut know that it did not for a lime, becaase we had known before in former illnesses, that it had done so. But 'there. was no evil to he apprehended Iron} it, .except there Might have been a little momentary anxiety about, the King. We doubted whether it would be right or uot, , in our discussion among ourselves ; but there was nothing of clash or of opposition of senti ment ; it was a teiopertfie discussion ; there was nu dissentient at all ; it was not apprehended that it was a choice of two evils, U. Had you been cotimtl7.ed by Sir I-Jynry ford, tvhether he should inintin his Maj sty, in the manner he did, as to the Chaiti•f-ihn's attend ance, vivuld you . have attreed to Ins Abirsly being informed That wont,' Lave depended eiiiirely on the state in bich I. ini , 4ltt have seen the King at that time. Q. Have you, within the last fortnight, seen the King at any lime in such a state that you thought it desirable, the Chancellor should uisit him ?—A. I do not know that 1 should of myself have men tioned it; at the Saille lime I do not know that 1 1141 any objection to it. I, do not . think the King was quite in I.l,le_statu in which. I should have ex pected..ninth bencti+ to have resulted from it. - 'Q. 'Whets the Chancellor. consul ed thePhYsi.: cians, on the propriety of seeing its Maiesiy, did the Physicians agree on any stipulations a. to speaL. tug on ,ulbjeets of business or (Abet wise ?—A. Yes; they did;. they, desired the 'Chancellor to avoid any thing that might create clisctisiurt. One principal reason why it was s6ggested that it might be right for the Chancellor to see the King, was, that Parliament might not take the state of the King merely from the representatiOos of . his Physicians. In the first attendance 1. had upon his Majesty in the year 178 !or that reason "1 desired that the Chaneell;ir would see the King, and that Mr Pat would see the King ;, and .at iny•desire they both saw him. - • . Q. At what period Of die Eines. illness wasit hal F . —A. It w•as within the fir , t month, for it. was tat the cilleell . S Lodge at 'Windsor. ; it• was in_ the latter, end, of the mouth of November 1788 ; Lord Thurlow.wtin in, and, Mr. Pitt also saw the King at that time, before his M , jesty Was, reMoved iron) Windsor to Kew. , . Q. Do you recolle& whetter any advantageous effect was produced on his Majesty, •by seeing Mr. Put and Lord Thurlow i—A. In bulb instances a beneficial effect ensued. ' U. In what way did these advantages.shew thetn selves ?—A. The lint became more composed, a►ai he was more ruatrageable afterwards ftt that time we had no other person in attendance upon the King but his pages. . Ilas his Majesty been bodily indisposed .once or, twice within tie lastitortnight ?-o-; A. Yes, there has been at -times considerable accession of fever about the King. U. Do you attach any importance to such bodily inclispositiOn.as his Majesty has been subject. to for the last fortnight I. attach considerable im portance to any accession of. fever and there Was. accession of fever within the last fortnight we had no alarm on account of any other indispo.i. tion. Q. In using the word " fever,'.' do you mean an accession of. the mental, disease, or of badly indisposition ?—A. Qt bodily indisposition when we have made use of the. word fever; the King had lever, though accompanied with an aggrava tion of the mental 'disease,;. yet it was independent of that. . Q. Was it at the suggestion, or at the request of the Lord Chancellor, that he saw the King ; or was the Chancellor,. upon his arrival at Windsor, to in quire after his Majesty, informed that was settled that he should attend upon him ?—A. It was not at the suggestion of the Chancellor, and his Lordship said that he was not even prepared to exped such • a circumstance it was rather at. the recommenda . tion of the Physicians in attendance. Q. When Lord Thorlow and Mr. Pitt. saw the King, in his 104 wer illness, were any of, the Phy sicians present at the same time . Yes, I was present. Q. Were - any. PhysiCians present when the Lord • Chancellor saw .hiin the other day ?—A. No. • Q. Nor any other person.?---A. Not any person was in the room but the Chancellor; Sir Henry Halford introduced the Chancellor to the King, and thOn retired ;, and, no other parson• was in the room. Q. You have stated, thatone of the inducements to the Chancellor's seeing the. King, was . , that Par liament was to meet the next day; did the Physi cians•desire the Chancellor , to see •the King hecans . ii they were awarethat Parliament was to tilt...et the net day ?-I.do not know whether That was not 01le crt the reason"; but it was not done with any disre sped to Parliament, only with a view, as it had been in the former case, in the year 17d8,1hat Mr. Pitt and the Chancyllor might both have to say, c hit they did not take the state of the King merely from the (epresentation of his Medical attendants. Q., Has there been at any time, in your ()pinion, 'any connexion tietween the defect sub,is:ing in his Maiesty's sight, and the mental disorder under which his Majesty at present labours, or at any :.ke tr rtne,rl: period lahc,ure..l ?---A.- No, I do not appre hend there is. , You have said, that you are not less sanguine of his Majesty's uhunati? recovery, thin' you were when you gave )our V*Ttc.i , epc.e. bL,lore. the, Privy Council; are you less sanguine of Lib Maj,•sty's. siteedy - feeovery than you wete at that period A. Yes, of his nijeSty's speedy rcccvery ; front . the relap.e which took rlace insinudra'tely wa:Certainly have not so la,r_a_Trosectt. Q. Can you state any probabfe time for his Ma-, jisty's • ultimate recovery ?—A. No, I Cannot in deed ; 1' think the Kiit is very much in the same , state that I saw him in the latter end of the year 1788, and the beginning of the year ing ; but it varies so, there are so many fluctuations, that when we see the King a little better, and going on a hula , better. fur_two or_three days, 'we are sanguine, and if there comes a relapse, it throws 1.2.1 back again there are such fluctuations, it is impossible to Bice any positive and' decided opinion ; and indeed in this case there is no dLtinitiYe time in the nature pf the nnalaity, ; you can very seldom say men have a Comitioti lever, atter the symptoms have been fornird three .nr four days, 0114 e4c) foul] a p.rettf po,t, judgment as.to• the dur:titiu of the disease ;.. t wit in. I believe, ilobody has ever been oblek to ascertain any precise tune. (4., T 1.61 1 understand, from the uartirti4f the,, malady, it .is inmocsibyl foronedica) skiff feaseertain i . the time of recOvery, as in a fever . or Other ordinary diseaies ?—A. J.ist so. CI. Are you of opiiii..)n that that difficiilty is in- . crea,ied by iMajk , •sry'l advanced age,- and by any' , other infirmity that lll3y have attaclied. to—his*Ma jeity ?—A. Kitis',s . is, a gee old:akv . k there is su 4tiUch intrgrity of cifitiStituti O n about him, that I thick that that certainty,does not ope!- rate opOn My mind ; and I believe nut. opoi.t. the mind of any, so much as it would in the case of any other peron. Q. Do you know hOw long the Chancellor re inainvd with the King . ?L-A. Very little more than , a quarter of an hour; Chink Sir Henry : Hai-fora said he minuted him, and that it "%.1a nl4ates: Q. You have stated, that when Lui{i I.l}Orlovir saw his Majesty iii 178 H, and w act' 11r. pitt. sawi: his Nlaje4ty about the sdnie time, yl)ll Were presOW at thtte iitteivit:ws?-,--A. I vas I.rewitt Pitt went in, an f I. think 1 v. as once rrub , ...iit Lor-4.Thur:o... _ Q. Nobody was present the thy Ihfoieye:;'e lL lAVy, • whch the Lotd;Chancellor Went in Q. Was the absence of the Physicians, tqion this occasion, at the Physicians' own sur, - ,g,tit,on, of It the request of the Lord Chancelkit At the Physicians' own sliggestion, that the Chinivcellor should form his own opinion. 4. Did not the dUration of his-continuance de pend upon the , opinion -of the Physicians En tirety ;„ the stipulation; of the Pnysiciails. was, that he Should see his Majesty for a quarter of an hour. IQ— It was of Sir Henry lialforc's own motion; that he proposed to the King to see the LOrd Chan•• cellor, and, having. so proposed to the King, he communicated to. the other Physicians that he ha so proposed,, and they after sornediscu,sion ccusentd. ed to it ?—X. Yes. B.ut it.WaS not_ first. of all . proposed to the 'Physicians as a. measure, by Sir Henry Hatford 1-- A. It bad been diktissed among us sothe time be fore, and Sir 'Henry. Haltbrd. at that time thought he saw- the King_ in such a siate we At said if we_ had seen him we should have wished it: there was no blame in the world a l taOhed to fir Henry Halfurd. Q. When hilt Majesty's Physicians occa,ionallyt ' in their ref-JFts, describe his Majesty as ,batig, better,, do they mean to confine thennietves , ek6l6- . sly to l.is mentaidiorder, or to coinome viith any conhiderations of his bodily state ;—A. To c ox,- blue them when they bay he is better, they 4 4 C ' il l both. Q.. Fever, in the bulletins, meaty, not rrreivlT fever, but the mental disorder, aggravated by . feverl —At those tiles the King has had tover,•and it 14 4 perhaps been the most -- prominent part of ktweer" ordry; there have .been periods whell the King ,vOOl very seriously ill withlever. V tldrrw. BAILLIE called in, and examined. Q. Acquaint the Committee whether the state o. his Majesty's health is such as td render him i•ticaga ble ut coming in person to his Parliament, or of attending to any kind of public business ?—A. state of his Majesty's health is such as to preve attending Parliament, or attending to any kind , public busii.ess. Q. What are the hopes you entertain of his. M• l ' jesty recovery ?=—A. I- think it very probaule Lbar ultimately the King will recover. Q. Do you found the opinion, gis en in your :iv sewer to the previous question,_ upon the pail; off :r, symptoms of his Majesty's- disorder, or upon gel l4 ' rat experience in cases of the same- nature-; both ?—A. -Not upon general' experience, -bit the likeness that I understand the present' position of his Majesty bears to the other thwe dispositions of the same general character. Q. In that particular ; species of the disorder lit, Majesty has fallen into, has it been found, horn rt . ' perience, that the greater number of persons so let3ed have been cured ?—A. I really cannot give very satisfactory answer to that question, iloto:M'Y, experience of illy will, for that has been very ed but I understand the greater number of c 4": of that kind have recovered for the tune, initr)any instances there are returns,o(fhe tion in the same individual. Q. Can you form any judgment, or probable (2' l ' jecture,. as to the duration ut Ins Majesty's itess ? —A. . I can term no satisfactory conjecinr all ; the only-ground of comparison is,. by - regard ! a t the farmer illne*ses of his Majesty, and thA•tDiY i be very deceitful; but that appears to be the ground on which we can form any 'conjecture respect to the. probable duration 01 his .Nlajelly 415:kgsit inn. U. As tar as experience enables yOtt - to . -juke his Alairsty's disorder,.do you think it-wore probe ble that his Majesty or will not . rectiver, 5° 'l ', vender Limn capable of attending to public -busines% —A. I should think it mu c h more probable, it 1 11 . Majesty was to recover; he would recover ivittr ti !!. I uil.pow“ to iransact public business fis befoie presvni Q. Whin de;ree- of experience Itase 'you ; I ' 3 ; your::qii„ iu Olis particular , pecies of disorder Aly L has•.been very 'lto,ited; c'eftriin/y e now been about- twtniy `oars in - busine , S, , I.h4ve ucc4sionally seen piti.eit: atiacteJ Y,"l-1' qiue hurt, ap ps se nt tear clisp tee, gun Tai Ott clec i r Übl ; • for( gig' s abl ju( Co' hi! .11a CI Abe be th UV CIU 011 be re P 1 ci. II sii et. .k ' of bt 41 111 di • -ti r( , it,