The Sun. — London, England, 1838-04-28 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT, HOUSE OF LORDS, APRIL 97 The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack at five o'clock. Mr. PALMER and others from the Commons brought up se •eral private Bills, amongst which were the St. Helens and Runcorn Gap Railway Bill, and Custody of Insane Persons 'lreland) Bill. Earl ROSE BE R Y presented a petition against any fur ther endowment to the Church of Scotland from Queensbo rough, congregations in Glasgow, and other places. Lord DACRE presented petitions from Rolleston, com plaining of the present system under whicla.the Post-office is conducted, and in favour of Mr. R. Hill's plan. Also one from Ashby-de-la-Zouch, praying for the abolition of negro apprenticeship. Earl HARE WOOD presented a petition from a town in Yorkshire, praying for an alteration in the working hours of children in factories. Lord PORTMAN presented a petition from the Guardians of the Bridgewater Union in favour of the Rating of Small Tenements Bill. On the motion of the NOBLY LORD, a message was ordered to be sent to the House of Commons, praying for a copy of the report made by the Select Committee on that subject. The Marquis of SLIGO presented a large number of pe titions, praying for the abolition of the system of Negro ap prenticeship. Lord PORTMAN presented petitions to the same effect. The Earl of WINCHIL SE A begged leave to set himself right with their Lordships and the public with respect to what had fallen from him respecting a a Poor-house in Kent. He had not said that no one was ad mitted into that House, without being obliged to carry sand bags ; but that some were obliged to do so, and that one man'had died, but he could not, and did not insinuate, that his death had been occasioned by such work. While he was on his legs, he beg ged to ask a question of the Noble Viscount at the head of the Governrrent. He had seen it stated, that an appointment had been made of a legal adviser to Earl Durham, and that it had been given to a, gentleman who, only a few years ago, stood at the bar of that House in one of the worst cases of adultery that had ever come before them. He truste d that the report was unfounded. Viscount MELBOURNE said no such appointment had been madc.. Upon further consideration it was thought that such an appointment might be unnecessary, and thercfore it was not n ade. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented a petition from the principal booksellers of the metropolis, in favour of an Internati,mal Copyright Law. The Noble Marquis laid on the table the First Report of the Commissioners appointed to visit King's College and Marisebal College, in Aberdeen. The Earl of A B ERPEEN begged to ask the Noble Lord, whether the Government intended to found any measure upon the Report during the present Session. Lord MELBOURNE was not aware of any such intention. The Elri of ABERDEEN supposed if no measure was yet in preparation none would be presented that Session. All he wished 7. - as that if any measure was introduced, time might be given for the full consideration of it. ile would strongly advise the Noble Viscount not to introduce any measure upon the Report during-, the present Session. Viscount MELBOURNE would be most happy to take and follow the advice of the Noble Earl.—( A laugh.) Earl 131?.0 WNI, O%V presented a petition from the Board o f G:,rdians of the Grantham Union in favour of the Poor Law and praying that no material alteration might be made in it. It was signed by the whole of the Guar dians, and thel were headed by a Noble Duke, a Member of that II ,use. Duke of RUTLAND said it was true he had signed thl petition, and the Board had been unanimous on the o cc ,.non. In the county with which he was more particularly 4N , n n ec 'ed, the Poor-lays Act Ks found to work most be. hozh to the poor and to the rate payer, but more espoc .:)lly i to the former„and they deprecated any change in i t , ;1 4 , Lnew.that it wa..; inconTenillit to bring on a diieusston upon th , pics,nt‘:tion of a ptition. When the question :vas r,,tothrly before the . House he would enter more fully into the ma!' cr. Bishop of LONDON nresentA a petit'on, signed by tire Bishop and clergy of Ciegh2r, against the present system of national education in Ireland, and praying. that the State would support no syste:n which was not f :unfled 6 n the Bi'ule. he Bills brought up from the Co.muons were severally re 12 it first ►ime. Marqui4 of LANSDOWNE gave notice that on tr u „,t., v he would move the second :ea:ling of tlw Cuitcdy of In-aneVerecnia (Ireland) Bill. The House tiCil adjourned. ROUSE Oic CO Mel ONS, APRIL 27. kt l PE A K ER. took iNe Chair at the usual hour. The St, Helen'4 Rawlorn Gap Railway 1311 ; the Rib ble Navigation Bill; and the Portsmouth Floating Bridge Bitl, %ere rest: a third time and passed. l'ne Exeter Commercial Gas Company Bill, and the Here foti Improvement Bill, were seve>•ally read a second time, and Ordered to he committed. .Nlr. P. HOW ARD presented a petition from Carlisle, ae ilist any further endowment to the Church of Scotland, sign. e by 1,713 inhabitants, including a majority of the town •Lncil. COAL MONOPOLY. Captain ,AL SAGER presented a petition from the Impe rial .;as anj Coke Company, praying for protection against th.r m0.. , 0p01v of the coal owners and coal merchants of the port of London. Mr. BROWNRIGG presented a petition from Boston, praying for a reduction c. 4 the rate of postage. Petitions were presented by jr. A. SMITH from the rtford Union, and by Mr. licaaouoras from another Poor- Lary Unity), in favor of the radii,: of Somil Tenements Bill. Mr. BRO THE RTON presented a petition front Saitlird, praying for the establishment of bonding warehouses Mr. AGI.IO NB Y presented a petition from the brewers of eockermouth, complaining of the importation of beer from th fle of Man, and seeking redress. Colonel CONOLLY presented petitions from Raphoe, Ferman.'gb. and Donegal, praying for an alteration of the pi ~ sent r; stem of education in Ireland, and also praying that no far .her grant should be made towards its support. The Hon. anci Gallant Member also presented a petition from Donegal, in fay our of the abolition of the Negro apprentice ship system. Mr. W. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from York, against the alienation of Church property. The Hon. Mem ber also presented two petitions from the North Riding of Yorkshire, in favour of the abolition of Negro slavery. Mr. G. WOOD presented a petition from Kendal agabist the Copyright Bill. Sir G. STRICKLAND presented seven petitions front I Ma.-yport, St. Neots, and several other places, in favour of the abolition of Negro slavery. The Gravesend Cemetery Bill was reported and ordered to be engrossed. Sir J. Y. BULLER brought up the Report on tEo West Istdia Dock - Bill. air J. GRAHAM presented a petition from Pembroke eLire against the alienation of Church property. Sir M. WOOD presented a petition from London against the Coal Trade Monopoly. TOBACCO. Mr. GROTE moved for a return, in continuation of a former return, of the number of lbs. weight of leaf and other descriptions of tobacco imported into Great Britain and Ire land up to the sth of April, 1838.—Ordered. Sir R. FERGUSON presented a petition from the pawn brckers of Nottingham against the Bill for establishing a Courpany called the British Pledge Society, as being calcu lated to affect their interests. Mr. D. W. HARVEY presented a petition from the land. owners of Colchester against the rating of Small Tenements Bill. The A TTOR NE Y-G ENERA L presented a petition from the Society of Fricruls of Edinburgh against the Negro ap prenticeship system in the West Indies. The petitioners stated that the object of the Legislature, in abolishing slavery in the colonies, had been entirely defeated, as slavery was car ried on under the name of the apprenticeship system to as great an extent as ever, the plasters having broken their promises to the Government. CONSOLIDATED FUND. On the motion of Lord JOHN RUSSELL, the Conso lidated Fund Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Monday. Upon Lord JOHN RUSSELL moving the Order of the Day for the House resolving itself into a Committee of Supply, Colonel Pr4:RCE VAL wished to ask the Noble Lord, the Secretary for ireland, when the annual returns of committals, which ought to Lave been laid on the table in February, would be forthcoming ? Lord MORPETH said that he would inquire into the subject, and inform the Honourable and Gallant Member of the result. REGISTRATION OF VOTERS ( IREL AN D) BILL. Lord STANLEY inquired why the Irish Registration of Voters Bill, leave to bring in which bad been obtained on the 13th of March, had not been introduced ? Lord J. RUSSELL replied—the reason of the delay was that sereral points had required the further consideration of the Government. Those points were now disposed of, and the Bill would be brought in as soon as the Attorney-General for Ireland arrived. THE BANK QUESTION. Mr. HUME asked what arrangement had been made with regard to bringing on the Bank Question, which was one of great importance ? Lord J. RUSSELL said, his Right Honourable Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer expe.cted to-day to be abi,n to fix a day for bringing on the question. All that he (L e Tel J. Russell) could say was, that Le could not consent to any' but Government measures corning oil on Tuesdays and Fridays. Mr. HUME—Then that is not fair—if any one Member of the Government makes a pledge, and another disregards it. ORDNANCE ESTIMATES. Sir H. VI VITA N said he rose to move his estimates, which had usually been moved by the Clerk of the Ordnance, but his Hon. Fiend, Who , now filled that situation, was nut sufficiently experienced in the .business of that department, having been so recently appointe,l to the office. If he (.Sir Hussey Vivian)- was not able to answer any question of detail, he claimed the indulgence of the House.—( H ear, hear.) It was s i h regret he antic. unced there was this year on increase in this department — not an increase of expenditure, %)tit t.n in crease of estimate, arising from extrordinary circumsta ices and he would endeavour tc explain the different items of that _lucre tee. On the second vott there leas an increase of 2,1311. 'The net inerraie was an increase of 4).171/ upon the re:rift - I-ern: ; of a: tilh ry - ..nd troops ;o Canada. Since 18' , 3, no lesS 1574 men had b een called on for different foreign services. k In con sequence of that, it this moment there were only .321 effective men of the • artillery prepared to do the d tt.ies at Woolwich, which required 226 men every day to mount guard. Without the proposed augmentation, it would be im possible to relieve any of those artilleries now serving abroad. Three companies had Been sent to Canada—one had been sent to St. Kitts—and another to Bermuda ; and, under these circumstances, they had not a sufficient force. The next was an increase of 28,388/. for the superintendence of the Ord nance establishment at home and abroad, and for the Fortification and Barrack Department at home and abroad. That vote, generally speaking, must be always a floating one, inasmuch as it depended on the amount of increase that might take place. They had 605 fortifications and ordnance works, containing 7,247 guns, and Hon. Members would admit that the wonder was how, under such circumstances, the grant was so small. The next item exhibited an increase of 1,672/. in the civil, military, and barrack contingencies. Last year the sum granted for Irelanil was 45,000/, and this year it was 50,000/, ; and had it not been for that, there would have been an decrease in the item. The next item was stores, in which there was an increase of 15,000/. Hon. Members were aware that a Committee had been sitting to determine upon the propriety of making an altera. tion—all other nations were making improvements, and it was not fair to those men who were risking their lives in defence of their country, if they did not take advantage of every im provement. There could not be a better opportunity, as the quantity of small arms, which was formerly 900,000 stand, had been lately reduced to 200,000. It had been stated that the arms at present used by the soldiers were of a very excellent description, but on his ( Sir H. V.'s) tours of inspection he had generally found that one out of five, or one out of four, missed fire, and that the triggers were in that state that they required so strong a pull as to prevent any certain aim being taken. The soldier, therefore, had not the confidence in his arms that he should have had. The Committee that had been sitting had decided upon having patent rifles and patent carbines ; and this it was that had caused the increase of 15,0001. in this vote. He knew the Honourable Member for Kilkenny was a strong advocate against the increase of stores. He agreed with him in that, and when he came to the depart ment he had now the honour of being at the head of, he got rid of a great quantity of stores. Indeed, the reduction of stores had commenced in 1815, and from that time to the pre sent he could say with truth that stores to the amount of upwards of two millions had been disposed of. The next cause of increase was 15,0001. for 68 pounders which had been or dered agreeably to the request of the Admiralty. These were the most important articles that had Caused an increase of 60,000/. beyond the estimate of last year. The decreases were in the first instance 6,5701. in consequence of the reduction of the establishment in Dublin, and its transfer to the Horse Guards. The next decrease was 561. in gunners—the next 2,5001. in the department of Engineers and Sappers and Miners. The next was 150/. in the Horse Artillery ; there was also a saving of 1591., fur length of service in the Medical department; and also a saving of 5,145/. in the unprovided. The next saving was 2,828/. in superannuations. The lest saving was 32,598/. upon the Commissariat Department, on account of the difference in the price of forage. The real increase for the present year was 50,2051. ; but the estimate went by 148,708/. beyond that of the last year. It was his ( Sir H. Vivian's) object, as it had been, he was persuaded, the object of preceding Masters- General of the Ordnance, to reduce the expenditure as low as was consistent with the efficiency of the service, and with justice to individuals. In two departments alone,--the Tower and the Woolwich Arsenal—a saving of 32,0001. had been effected since the year 1830. The business of the department of the Ordnance generally was so great, and the assistance so small, in ono year, he (.Sir H. V.) had 1,500 papers submitted to hire, and received 7,000 letters; the minutes of the Board in one year haJ amounted to 13.767 pages, the Board having received 36 000, and answered 50 ; 000 letters. With such an amount of business, it: was impossible to reduce the establishment any !oxer. He should now mere the first vote cf 60.4081. for the eLeeer Geueral and principal Clerks or the Ordnance De part inert: Mr. HUME much regretted that the Secretary et War, ( Lord llowiek) was not present, for he wished to ask the Noble Lord some questions respecting the consolidation of the offices. Ile wished the Master-general of the Ordnance to leak at the large store.hoases at Woolwich, and let him apply that prin ciple then which Ice admitted to be correct, of not keeping stores on hand to perish, and he would find a still greater sav ing might be made in that department. There had been a large reduction every year for the last eight or ten years, notwith standing it had been stated no further reduction could be made. Why had not those alterations been made by the Government which, when in opposition, they contended were indispensable ? Jr seas utterly impossible for him to account for the want of .attention paid by the heads of the department. He would like to know why, sinee the report he held in his hand had been put forward, it had not been acted on. It could not he caused by anything but downright negligence.—( Hear, hear, hear.) The existing state of the Ordnance seas there purtrayed, in a manner which was a disgrace to any Government. Su long as the present complicated „stem was kept up, it teas impossible that there could be any economical arrangement—that the service could be efficient, or the interests of the public attended to. The House did not to its duty, or it would have compelled the Ministers to tafortn the system. They wanted a better sort of an onposition—he meant an opposition of a different charac ter.—( Hear, and a laugh.) If they had a more powerful opposition there would be pretty cuttings down, although they had been previously toll that there was nothing to be reduced. There was no army in Europe in which there was a i,etter Engineer corps than there was in this country, and yet there was no army in which fewer of the Engineers were known to the Commander-in-Chief. He could see no necessity for keeping great-coats in store, to be eaten by the moths, at a great expense.—( Laughter.) If it were good for the army that the clothing should be sup plied as it was wanted, he did not see why the same rule should not be applied to the Ordnance. —( Hear, hoar, bear.) One chief clerk and ten assistants could easily keep all the l,tares of the Ordnance Department. He (Mr. Hume) wished to know whether any consolidation was to be effected in Ow foreign store department. In all other countries the army, navy, and ordnance stores were placed under one depot. The Honourable Member then proceeded to remark upon the impolicy of piling bad arms in store. If he had not been greatly misinformed, the Belgian, Prussian, and French troops were all supplied with better arms than England. He had seen British arms r.ompared with the arms supplied to Belgian troops, and he was assured by officers there, that the British arms were inferior. Was it any economy to pay 193, for a bad musket instead of 355. for a good one ? He was able to state there had been Com mittees sitting in Prussia, Belgium, arid 'ranee, to consider what should be the arms used by the infantry, and he thoaght Government would deserve very great credit if they cone tieued to carry on changes and reforms, until they threw' out of the department all useless arms.—(hear, hear.) So much with regard to stores. He would now make one or two observations with regard to the increase that inns proposed. Be thought that the three companies of Artillery now proposed to be added were unnecessary. It appeared to him that it was very unnecessary to raise so large a force of artillery fur the sake of a few months' ser vice, particularly in the present defective state of the 'revenue. He could not help saying that all that had been occasioned by the improper and unjustifiable proceedings of that House in passing the resolutions with respect to Canada, which had o cetestoned so much disorder and blood 'bed. Let Hon. Members leok to the increase in their ex penditure. In 1835 the expenditure was 48,7i14,000/. ;in 835 it was 50,749,000 ; and in 11837 it was 51,319,00 0 t, showing an increase of nearly two millions and a h a lf. The army' expenditure had increased in nearly equal propor tions. In 1805 it was 6,400,000/., in 1836 it was 6,473,0001., in 1837 it was 0,521,0001., anci in the present it would be i nearly seven million: a. There had Wen, also, an inc rease i n the navy ; and thus ti:eY ten Ine,reaeing th e i r expendi wex pr ture, while the revenue wlas decreasing . in 1835 the tent standing debt was twenty-nine , illionslef Exchequer Bills oil:, Now they: were only 24 to 25 :millions, big ate interes.`. was upwards of 200,000/. from the m:_ggla.Pagernent of our financial affairs. Before the Session ws; over be would prove that the compensation to the slave-oill'9rs cost the country not 20 millions, but 25 millions, from the niaNer in which the contract had been made. Were they to go on in creasing the expense with a falling revenue? Was there to be no stop to such profligacy ? This year we must have a loan—one million would not make up the deficiency ; yet there appeared to be no hope of any amelioration from the Government. He wesuld not make any motion, for it was but a farce ; as he was well aware that he would not be supported by 20 Members, Viscount HO WICK perfectly agreed with what the Hon. thought the military at e i t v a i r l y h ad bee n establishments jnuch of ex a t g he . evil, countryin the ; but h e management gerated. With respect to the conduct of the Govern ment, he had only to re p eat, t h e explanation he had for merly given on that head, and he knew that what could be done would be done to c orrec t t h e existing evil, larly in the Ordnance, where it was most to be dp.artiTz remedy required could only be supplied by an Act of Parli ment, and at present there was no time to ietrod any m ?" tw-e sure on the subject. Captain BOLDER 0 defended the conduct of Lord 11111. who, he said, had nothing to do with the expenses of the army, and went into a statement to show that an increase of the Ordnance Department was pavtieuiarly required at the present asoaseut. _ Sir PEEL hoped the trigonorsetrie.al survey of the dif ferent counties would be proceededwith.Leforethe whole face of the country siaould be 'changed by the,introdnetion of rail roads, because if the "purvey was nottakon immediately pcw terity would never have a proper map of •thelkingdem. With respect to what had fallen from the Hon. Member for Kil kenny as to the indisposition shown by his (.ir IL Peel's) side of the House to oppose a large expenditure, he should only re mark that it was no part of the policy of that side .of the Housq to reduce to an inefficient state, the estabtishmerits o f the country. Before he sat down he wished to ask the Nu. ble Lord opposite if it was true that a supply of arras had been applied for by the Spanish Government to this coun,try under treaty, and denied, on the ground of the misconduct of that Government ? Lord J. RUSSELL taid all he could say was, that an ap plication had been made by the Spanish Government to this country under the treaty, and 100,000 muskets had been sent out on that application. The Spanish Government, however, complained that they had not received the whole of that quer tity, and had recently applied for the deficiency ; but the answer was, that the whole had been sent, and that there was no deficiency. Sir H. VIVIAN had been induced to encourage the hasten in'r of the surveys connected with the Ordnance Department with the view of assisting those . persons who were i nterested and engaged in the different railroads throughout th ose parts of the country with reference to which those surveys were taken. With respect to the observations of the Hon. Member for Kilkenny on the reduction of the army generally, he could only say that he differed entirely from the views of the Hon. Gentleman, but more particularly with regard to the corps of engineers and artillery. In 1792 the artillery corps amounted to between 4,000 and 5,000 men ; it had been since raised to 7,000, and without such increase it would be impossible to relieve our companies in the West Indies in the proper manner. The Honourable Member complained of the cost and expenses of the stores, while it was quite impossible to reduce them below the present scale. As to the recommendation of the Hon. Gentleman to place the Artillery and Engineers under the Horse Guards department, he must say that it would be quite impossible to separate those corps from the civil branch of the Ordnance department. Mr. HUME complained of the price charged for the maps published by the Ordnance, and wished to know whether they could not be sold to the public at the same rate as other Go vernment papers? Sir H. VIVIAN replied that a great reduction had already been made regarding these maps, and the result was, that the sale of them had been far less than it was before.—( Hear.) The vote was then agreed to, as were also the following votes :- 88,4871. for the salaries of civil officers in different depart ments of the Ordnance, barrackmasters, &c. 4,3911. for the expenses of the Ordnance in Guernsey, Jer- sey, &c. 64,2221. for the pay of Royal Engineers, instruction of Sappers and miners, &c. 283,9861. for the pay of the Royal regiments of Artillery. 36,0351. for expenses of the riding-house establishments. 6201. for the expenses of the field-train department. 9,9541. to defray the expenses of the medical establish ments of the military department of the Ordnance. 291,1921. for the expenses of superintendents, storekeepers, &c., and allowances to barrackmasters in the colonies. A conversation ensued, in which Lord Sandon, Sir H. Vi vian, Lord Howick, Mr. Slaney, and Mr. Wynn took part, on the advantages to arise from the establishment of libraries for the army, improving military prisons, and providing places in which the soldiers could enjoy recreation and manly exer cise, the result of which was, that although the two latter subjects had hitherto been found impracticable on the score of expense, it was the intention of the Government to supply the different military stations at home and abroad with books for the use of the soldiers. Captain WOOD complained of the exclusion of soldiers from the gardens of the Parks. Lord J. RUSSELL replied that the exclusion alluded to by the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman had existed since the reign of Charles 11., but that for his (Lord J. Russell's) own part he saw no reason why it should be continued. Captain BOLDER() thought that establishing savings banks or benefit societies in the army would be advantageous. Lord J. RUSSELL said that the commanding officers with whom ho had communicated on the subject seemed to disap prove of any proposition of the kind. After some further conversation the resolution was agreed to. The following votes were then agreed to : —140,418/. for the contingencies of the Military and Ordnance service of Great Britain and Ireland, and the Colonies. 125,000/. for the expense of stores - , for the Ordnance and Military service of Great Britain and Ireland, and the Colonies. 3,1791. for services performed by the office of Ordnance, and not brovided for by Parliament. 166,9691. for superannuation and reduced allowances for art ficers and labourers, and for the widows of civil officers and of artificers and labourers in the departments of the Ord n :nee and barracks. 262,2981. for the Commissariat Supplies of Great Britain, Ir laud, and the Colonies.--Agreed to. The next item was 80,280/. for defraying the charges of the Yeomanry and other volunteer corps f or 1 8 3 9 . Mr. H Ual'E would certainly take the sense of the House against this vote. He had been the agent employed to present •several petitions complaining of the parttsavi character of these corps, and calling fur and preb.rring the use of regular troops in •ca,,e of riot. He recollected that during the Lansdowne Adad nietration it was proposed by Government to abolish this force, an 1 since that time some corps had been disbanded and some n h sg y h o i t i hu o al t dt 1 , 1 a hb v ee e t a h i e t clnasos_ being a Ga r . Gentle men tr ld l tei retained ; but he wished to have a reason f or this.—( Hear.) If s s w,: , a, l l l c e ,G, SY fr po e s r p e , na n i no e (n c i t s bi s , ea a l r ti e ea • h a o l p l e r d e disbanded, t men would. vote for its continuance. To show the feelings which animated the yeomanry he would take leave to read to the House a letter from Lord Sondes, who was Major in one of these corps. [The Hon. Member read an extract from Lord Sondes' letter, the substance of which was to inform the cot ps of the probability of their being disbanded, and de claring the willingness of the writer to prove his attachment to the Throne by serving her Majesty, but at the same time I is determination not to remain subject to the caprices of the present Administration. j—( Cheers.) Hon. Members cheered this ; he had formerly thought they were the opinions of an individual, but it appeared cow that. lion. Members thought volunteer corps were to be enrolled to support certain opi eions.—( No, no.) He would read the rest :—" I have re • signed the situation of your Major-Commandant, and I would humbly advise you to do the same rather than wait to be dis banded." Here was a proof of the opinion, at least of an in d,vidual, that yeomanry corps should only serve her. Majesty under Ministers of certain opinions.—(No, no.) An HON. NIENIIIER. whose name we could not learn, bore testimony to the character of Lord Sondes. Mr. HUME bego , d to disclaim the slightest personal re flection on Lori Suedes, but would ask the Hot,. Member if he had read his Lordship's letter ? The HON. MEMBER had, and with perfect satisfaction.— ( Cheers.) Mr. BENETT believed lie was the oldest yeoman now alive, having served in that corps for upwards of forty years, acid he could declare most solemnly that during that forty years he had not witnessed the slightest appearance of parti sanship.—( Hear.) He could speak positively of his own re giment, and nearly so of several others. He would certainty !senent if that force was put down. He believed it to be a safe, a constitutional force. He spoke as an old Whig in calling it a safe and constitutional force. —( Hear.) Let them look to the vote they were opposing—a paltry sum of 80,000/. ; and ever, this, by proper management, might be ssened one-half. He would take leave to mention a fact connected with the regiment to which he had the honour to belong. In 1830 there were serious riots in Wiltshire—riots of the agricultural population—and these riots were promptly put down by the yeomanry—(Hear)—almost without blood shed, as there was but one death.—( Hear, hear.) On every ground he would oppose the motion of the Hon. Member for Kilkenry. Mr. SANFORI) fully concurred with the Honourable Member who spoke last. The yeomanry were a useful body, as was proved by the fact that, in the county of Somerset, where there was a population of 400,000/.. the peace was kept without the aid of a single soldier.—( Hear.) Mr. MILES begged to return his thanks to his colleague for the handsome manner in which he bore testimony to the services of the Somersetshire Yeomanry. He would mention one fact, which was, that the two troops which bad rendered those important services were to be disbanded. Mr. WARBURTON would certainly support the motion of his Non. Friend the Member fcer Kilkenny.—( A laugh.) So far .from regarding this force as constitutional, he con_ sidered it to be very much of an opposite character. .31r. WYNN was certainly not of opinion that the interests of the country would be best consulted by disbanding the Yeomanry, Some Hon. Members, perhaps, could recollect the dreadful riots which took place in Birmingham in 1790. At that time the mob was in possession of the town for a whole week, the Magistrates were perfectly powerless, and obliged to degrade themselves by using the most abject supplications, having no force capable of checking their fury. The Yeomanry were not then in being, but from their establishment in the year 1796 there had been in finitely fewer riots, notwithstanding all the arts which had been use 4 at various times to excite the public mind. The Hon. Member had referred to the reduction of the yeo manry proposed in 1826, and seemed to think that it was then in contemplation to disband the whole force. No such thing vas ever contemplated. It was not contemplated by Lord L .ansdowne three years afterwards, nor indeed did it appear th. It such a notion was even entertained. So far from it, that Lot al Melbourne, in 7 1831, saw the necessity of re-embodying some those who had previously been reduced. The recent disban t i a eent had been performed with a singular want of judg ment. Jt would have been better wholly to reduce the esta blishwent I lean to reduce it to a state which rendered it totally irsealcient, What was the expense of the establishment ? No encase than 1. it• per man per annum for a force which had been found so effie ti=nt on all occasions. Where. could any other a:eans be found pf preserving the peace at so cheap a rate / (Hear, hear.) ft had been said that when these troops were raised in 1794, they were only raised for a temporary purpose. He remembered the period, and he could contradict that as settiou, Lord Grenville did not think so, neither did Mr. Pitt, and See as Lard Spencer who first set the example of raising A corps; 1\ N ATC HBULL was happy to find th a t th e en tire Sir E.• Jae yeomanry force had not been contemplated abolition oa f •t"nr d not help thinking that oulMinisters had been but still he With respect to this measure. Th® Hon. Mem badly advise " - re,orring to the circumstances which had bet for Brid, - had endeavoured to ' discussed the discussion taken at Mrs t 1 . t already been ti h a d fully iscussed, and which of a subject • wi th regret; but nobody would deny that all looked 1 o ok to awe nanry on that occasion was justifiable the conduc sof o) Fie could not, there er elsewhere, ( Hear, hea " iw n . them without resisting such unjust im hear aspers dons cast .0 The y eomanry were a most coustitu putations.- —( Cheers. ) b ib; part, would prefer seeing them tional force o and he, for f local no r,disturbances than have employed i 'se the suppres „. r He had heard with 4 ,reeourse to the regular 9 016 le rfor. is:ember for Wiltshire,pleasure and Lie opie s ie st o expressed by the Sornersesel,re also of fleet Sion. Member for . • ~, from whom, on his misfortune to wife:. No I. exp.dna one, it was moseoccas . tin gthe reasons for the r qluc been made stating tiori,had a O at as aware that the Right lion. tion. t ilt economy? Hewr had . the Chan( *lto of the Exchehrhedifficult t!isk in bring had been ,‘promised in April ing forms' , the Budget,rodwuced, though th and hael-no yet leen produeed, month had nearly (Cheers and laughter.) The Noble Lord (J. Passes! Ilwa) d the establishmentof a new jurisdiction, Russell ' L ead: Propose ne cessary the creation of County Courts. whip"' . we e ad, render n reduction. had • t this that the been made The Was it to s ., ‘' - e amount c t h e yeomaar. s reduction was 2 5 , 000 /, and the Courts I could not Colt less than 40 , 000 /. When Lord leansdoverie held the situat ion o f the Noble Lord opposite he proposed a similar measure, and the proposition produced a powerful sensation throughol it the country. It was but natural that a eimilar re- suit shoal d follow a similar proposition, Lord OHN RUSSELL MUlt say, that, respecting the feeings, t o he did, of Hon. Gentlemen on his side of the House - , as well as of Hun. Gentlemen on the other side of the House, est' tee m ight he connected with the Government, and i admiring t itee zeal and gallantry which they had shown Orl THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY, APRIL 28, 1838. various occasion, yet he did think it was his duty on this oc casion to propose the question for a vote of the House, be cause he thought that he could do it with justice; but at the same time that he brought it forward he knew that he could not avoid the observations which had been made. The Right Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down, had complained of the offensive manner in which the communications had been made in reference to the yeomanry, and he had alluded to a letter which had been written to the Lord-Lieutenant of the county of Kent; and, also, to letters which had been addressed to other Noble Lords. The House, however, had heard part of a letter of a Noble Lord read, and they had no doubt also heard of a letter from another Noble Lord ; and he would ask whether they considered those letters so exceedingly temperate that there was no ground of complaint in reference to them ? He would request that the House would hear him read the terms in which he had addressed the persons who had been alluded to, and would then ask whether anything could have been more polite or civil than the expressions which he had used? He said—" I am further commanded by her Majesty to desire that your Lordship will assure the commanding officer, and request him to communicate to the officers, non-commissioned officers, and privates of their respective corps, that her Majesty is deeply sensible of the zeal and loyalty uniformly displayed by them from the time of their first being called into action down to the present moment, on all occasions when their services have been required; and it is her Majesty's pleasure, as a mark of her Royal approbation, that the officers should retain the rank and honours belonging to their respective commissions."— ( Cheers.) They had not, he trusted, come to such a state of things that the Minister of the Crown could not be allowed to use such language upon such an occasion without its being re garded as a ground of harshness, and its being considered such a severe and unjust insult that Lords Sondes and Win chilsea were perfectly justified in writing the letters which they had thought fit to give to the world.—( Loud cheers. ) He concurred with his Honourable Friend the Member for Btidport, and when such steps had been taken, opposition was not called for to such an extent as had been manifested by these two Noble Lords—one Noble Lord's corps of yeomanry having been dismissed by order of the Crown, and the corps commanded by the other being retained, but who had resigned the command of it, because he said that he thought it a fitting opportunity to do so:; and that they were not justified in issuing their docuraents to men who had been in arms under their or de'rs, and that by doing so they set a bad example, and showed that as far as they were concerned it was expedient that for the future no military command should be girth to them.— ( Cheers.) What, he would ask, would be thought of the Colonel of a regiment of militia, or a regiment of dragoons, or of the line, who, on receiving an order from the Crown for the reduction of the corps, should issue a circular or ad dress to the soldiers under his command, complaining of such reduction as an unconstitutional act. He felt bound to say thus much with regard to the manner in which the subject had been dealt with, and above all being obliged as he had been to reply to the speech of the Right Hen. Gentleman the Member for Kent; but he also felt bound to say that he was far from believing that the feeling- manifested by these Noble Lords was generally felt.—( Hear, hear.) He did not believe that such a spirit was common with officers commanding yeo manry corps—( Hear, hear, hear) ;—on the contrary, he thought that these two cases were exceptions which were not very happy or flattering in themselves.—( Cheers.) With regard to the question of the reduction of these corps, he did not feel called upon to say much in reply to the Hon. Member for Kilkenny, because the attack had not been made on the Government so much for not reducing this force, but because a reduction had taken place in it. He said then, that not m aintaining extreme opinions on either side of the question, and not wishing that this force should be entirely suppressed, nor that the force should be maintained in the number called out in 1831, he thought that he was justified in proposing the pr.•s _ • ent vote. He felt also bound to say that much might justly be said in favour of the yeomanry corps. In the first place, it had been truly stated that they had shown great zeal an d patriotism in coming forward to preserve the peace of the country in. periods of exci , ernent and disturbance. They had also manifested great ability as well as temper when called upon to act in a military capacity in case of riots or disturb ances. They had also been very useful in preventing persons from doing so who felt disposed to create riots. At the same time he did not, on the other side, think that it could be said that this was a desirable force to be maintained for the preser vation of the peace of the country. He could not give them the character of being the most constitutional force in the coun try.—( Hear, hear.) In this respect he could not compare ttiem with the militia.—(Hear, hear.) He believed that the militia had ever been regarded in this light by the constitu tional historians of this country, and had been revived in the last instance by Lord Chatham. Although that force was not so immediately under the Crown as the regular army, yet it could be used against a foreign as well as against a domestic f ee , and it had been justly called by a high military authority the first army of reserve of the country ; but it so happened Ora the yeomanly force was regulated in such a way that it could hardly be used for any* other purpose than for putting down riots, or local disturbances, and it could not be of the same use that the militia regiments were during the last war. These corps could riot he made available for recruiting the re gelar army, or preserving the peace of large towns, o r pl aces remote from the spot whre they were raised. Under present circumstances, also, it was almost impossible that a corps of yeernan,y could be called out in any particular district without exciting a great deal of acrimony and animosity. He did not • mean to attribute to the persons belonging to those corps any I improper feelings, but it was almost unavoidable, that when dissensions arose between one class of the population and an • other class, which gave rise to riots and disturbances, and when this force was supposed to be connected with one of the ' parties, that it should not create more animosity than the re gular army would do in putting down local riots. The Right ' Hon. Gentleman had alluded to the riots that occurred at Bir mingham in 1791, and also to the use of the yeomanry at the last election for that town. With respect to the last subject, he knew from the officer commanding the yeomanry corps on that occasion, that when the riots took place at the late elec tion the Colonel commanding the force remonstrated with the magistrates of the town for calling the yeomanry corps of the immediate neighbourhood into the town of Birmingham, in stead of a corps from a greater distance, and not so imme diately connected with the place. His Hon. Friend the Mem ber for Somersetshire, complained of the reduction in the num ber of the yeomanry in the county of Somerset; but the fact was there was left in that county a body of yeomanry of not less than 1,000 men, and in addition tothis, there were large corps of yeomanry in the neighbouring counties. He would put it to the House whether a yeomanry corps of 1,000 men was not sufficient for the maintenance of the peace of a single county. He was, however, of opinion that it was not only expedient, but that it was the duty of the Govern. meat to reduce the number of the yeomanry corps in those places where their services were not likely to be required, and also in the neighbourhood of large towns, where they were likely rather to create riots than put them down in cases of disturbances, and when other means existed of preserving the peace. In 1831, when this force was re-organized and called out, there were 18,303 men connected with it. This number had been reduced to 4,709 men, and there were left in the force in 1838, 13,594 men. He would ask, was not this force, taken with the regular army, amply . sufficient to -.fleet any probable emergency in which their services might be re quired ? For his own part lie would rather that any force should be employed in case of local disturbances than the local corps of yeomanry. The House was aware that several local dis turbances had taken place in carrying into effect the New Poor. law Act, in which it was necessary to call out some body to the aid of the local authorities; but instead of calling or, the yeomanry . corps, lie had preferred availing himself of the assist ance of some other body. When application had been made to him in such cases, he had either gone to the Commander-in- Chief, and asked for the assistance of some detachment from the regular force, or he had sent to the Commissioners of Me tropolitan Police to dispatch a portion of that body to aid in suppressing the disturbances. He thought that the regular force, or the metropolitan police, were better adapted for the sup pression of local disturbances than yeomanry corps, or other bodies having local connections. They could then be with. drawn, and more quiet and tranquillity would follow than there would be any chance of, if a yeomanry corps were called upon to act in the same service, with the heart-burnings and dissensions which would necessarily be directed against the body so employed. His Hon. Friend the Member for Wilt shire suggested that, instead of suppressing any of the yeo manry corps, a part of the present expense might be saved by not calling them out on permanent duty. He did not think that this would be expedient, for if this body were maintained, it was desirable that it should be an efficient force ; but it could not be rendered so, unless it was subjected to constant discipline and inspection. He repeated, therefore, if the force was not constantly called out, the best characteristics of the force would be destroyed. What they had then to consider wa s, whether it was necessary to keep up the whole number of the yeomanry force that was kept up in former years; and he was of opinion, after the most mature consideration that he was able to give to the case, that he was fully justified in Irecommending the reductions that had been made ; at the same time he could not concur with the proposal of the Honourable Member for Kilkenny. While on this part of the subject, he confessed that he was rather surprised to hear the Right Honourable Gentleman opposite refer to what he was pleased to call the acts of the Whig Government of 1827. It was new to him to hear the Government of that day stated to be entirely a Whig Government, having at its head, first Mr. Canning, and then Lord Ripon, and of which Adminise tration at least one of the Right Honourable Gentlemen oppo site was a member. But that Government, which had that night been praised, had reduced the number of the yeomanry to 7,025, while he proposed that that description of force should be kept up to 13,394. He confessed that he had seen no such letters as had that night been produced and read, and cheered by gentlemen opposite, respecting the then reduction of this force.—( Hear.) - That government was succeeded in the Administration by the Duke of Wellington, who came into o ffice in 1828. That Noble Duke did not at that period think it either expedient or necessary to have the yeomanry force kept up to the extent that gentlemen opposite thought desirable, but he did not recollect that such letters were then written as had that night been produced.—( Hear, hear, hear.) He did not hear Hon. Gentlemen opposite complain of the Duke of Wellington having a yeomanry force of only 8,000 me n ; but it now appeared that, because he proposed a force of only 14,000 men, they could not restrain their indignation. —( Cheers.) He confessed that, so far from deterring him f rom pursuing the course which he had thought it his duty to do, it led him to the conclusion that there were a great many persons if, the country who considered the yeomanry force as use ful to party objects, and which, if the matter had not been put forward in such a violent manner, he never should have shoeght of.—(Cheers.) This force, however, had been in creased in 1 . 1 by Lord Melbourne, in consequence of parti cular circumstances then e4iiting, which had now ceased. Sortie time ago it was a niatter under consideration whether there ahotilsl not .49 some dirginutiop in the number of the cavalry force continued at home, or whether there should be a reduction in the yeomanry force. He hesitated fora long time, but'before the question was finally decided as to whether it was expedient or not to diminish the number of the regular cavalry force, it appeared necessary to the Government to send a corps of cavalry to Canada. Under the circumstances of the case it was not thought expedient to reduce this very excellent force in the country, it was therefore thought, that when this corps was sent to Canada, that there should not be left a less force of cavalry in the country than there had been within the last two years. He did not think, also, that the force of the infantry was very large in the United Kingdom. Under these circumstances, he did not thick it advisable the t they should propose so large a vote for the yeomanry as had been done in former years. When the expenses were not un avoidable, he did not think in the present situation of the country that they should be incurred. If they did not strictly adhere to this principle, he thought that they would most justly incur the censure of the Honourable Member for Kil kenny, and other Honourable Gentlemen. On theses grounds the reduction that had been effected, had been made. He was exceedingly sorry that in making these rejections they had excited such a feeling in the country as had been manifested, but they could not consistently with their duty, propose this expense on the country. The Right Honourable Gentleman alluded to the riots at Birmingham in 1791 ; but he did not know what these had to do with the subject any more than the riots of 1780. He did not know how these were to be attributable to the want of yeomanry, or how these were connected with the question of the yeomanry. At the period of the riots of Birmingham there were troops within a short distance, namely, within forty miles of the place. He believed that they did not arrive in time to prevent the disturbances ; but there were several troops of cavalry at Nottingham. Before he sat down he would say that he trusted the time was not far distant when the means of the country would enable him to propose a vote for a more available and efficient force for the country, and at the same time a more constitutional body, he meant a good militia force. He regretted that they were without the means at present, and he did not think that it would be advisable that a large expenditure should be incurred in the present year; but he thought that a good militia force would be most expedient and most constitutional, and might he in deed a most efficient and valuable body in case of hostilities breaking out with any foreign powers. He had felt it t o b e his duty to state thus much, he trusted without throwing any stigma on the conduct of the yeomanry, but of course it was impossible to satisfy those who were determined to see in any act of the Ministers an attempt to ruin and overturn the Constitution of the country ; he would, therefore, only say that they mnst be allowed to continue to indulge in their visions. —(Loud cheers. ) Colonel SIBTHORP said that the Noble Lord had spoken of incurring the censure of the Hon. Member for Kil kenny. He ( Colonel Sibthorp) cared but little for that, and he thought it would be well if the Noble Lord cared as little. He disliked the reductions of the Noble Lord, because they were partial ones. In conclusion, he must say, that he had seen enough of the yeomanry to give him a high idea of their services, and that with regard to the present motion of the Hon. Member for Kilkenny, he was sorry in opposing it to find himself voting in such company. Mr. PHIL LIPS had previously voted in favour of a yeo manry force, but he was convinced, from what he had since seen, of the dangerous tendency of it in promoting party ends. Mr. GOULB URN had listened to the Noble Lord's ar guments most attentively, and he appeared to he only able to advocate the reduction on the score of economy. Now, he (Mr. Goulburn) must be allowed to observe, that reduction was not always synonymous with economy--( Hear, hear.) In 1831, what would have been the consequence had it not been for the yeomanry force? The Government of which the Noble Secretary of State was then a Member had been compelled to call for a yeomanry force, and the country might he put to 180,0001. expense to replace or recal the force. The Noble Lord was now, on a false notion of economy, dis banding. The Noble Lord said he hod been guided in his reductions by the rule of reducing single troops in preference to regiments. If such a resolution were wise it was a questicn of policy ; but what was the fact ? He (Mr. Gonlburn) found the Fifeshire yeomanry of six trooi. s disbanded; he found the Flintshire yeomanry of four troops ,and the Stirlingehire of five troops, similarly dismissed. Of the four Berkshire troops three had been reduced, and only one retained ; and that happened to be commanded by an officer who was then in command of a guard ship, and had since been made a clerk of the Ordnance. Another point also must be noticed, that the wilder parts of the country had been left unprotected : and the only troop that was retained was stationed at Hunger ford. No change whatever had taken, place in the circum stances of the country to warrant the Noble Lord in the cone se he proposed. The fact was the yeomanry were sacrificed to political hostility and not to political necessity..—( Hear.) Mr. FOX MAUL E said the Right Hon. Gentleman in reference to the reduction made by his ( Mr. Fox Maule's) Noble Friend used an expression which he was surprised to hear. Ile was surprised at it the more because it was identi cal with one employed by a notorious public print of the day ; but he should make no further observations upon it. With regard to the case of the Flintshire yeomanry, four troops of that force had resigned in February, 1837, in consequence of a recommendation from the Lord Lieutenant of the county to that effect. In reference to the Essex corps, the officers of the Ordnance connected with the powder mills in that county had stated that they had force sufficient with themselves to protect those manufactories, and that they did not need the protection or assistance of the yeomanry force. Then, again, in Berkshire it occurred that the four troops in that county only one was called out in 1836 ; and that being found to be the most effective it was only natural it should be retained in preference to the others—that was the, Hungerford corps. And now, with regard to Fiteshire, it was an undisputed fact that though there were riots in Dum fermline since their establishment in 1831, they were never called out to quiet them, but the Queen's troops were sent for to effect that purpose. Yet from 1831 to the present year, ' that corps cost the country 14,0001. When this was consi dered it fully justified the experiment of reducing them, at the same time that he did not think the slightest ground existed for any imputation of their loyalty or devotion. In the county of Stirling, too, the yeomanry had never been called out since the battle of Bonnie Muir, in 1829, the riots which oc curred in that district having been uniformly quelled by the regular troops. The only corps which had been called out, were those of Lanarkshire and Ayrshire ; and each of these being very strong, very willing to act not only in their own vicinity, but elsewhere, and very active also, he thought it formed a good ground why their services should be retained, while those of other yeomanry corps in Scotland were dis pensed with. Mr. HOUSTON (as we learned) was understood to yin dicate the Renfewshire corps from the imputation cast upon them by the Lord Lieutenant of that county ; but he was heard very imperfectly in the gallery. Mr. FERGUSON said that with regard to the riots in Dumfermline, neither the Lord Lieutenant of the county, the Lord Advocate of Scotland, nor himself would have called on the local or neighbouring yeomanry to suppress them. Nothing, in his opinion, could be worse than to bring the yeomanry, composed of the farming population, in contact with the population of the manufacturing districts. Sir H. HARDINGE wished to ask the Noble Lord (J. Russell) two questions in connection with the subject under debate. He perceived by the return which he held in his hand that in the county of Hertford there were at present seven corps of yeomanry that was, one in the northern division of the county, four in the south, and two in the east. Now, on the principle of the Noble Lord, as laid down in his own observations, the single troop in the northern division should be reduced. But ►t had been said that the Honourable Member for Sheffield, who commanded it, having remonstrated with the Noble Lord, it was, in consequence of what then passed between them, retained. By the same return he ( Sir H. Hardinge) also found that in Sussex the Petworth troop commanded by a Gallant Friend of his own, had also been re duced. Now, economy could not be pleaded in this case, as that corps had been clothed and principally maintained at the expense of the late Earl of Egremont ; yet still it was re duced, though four troops, under the command of Lord Surrey, had been kept on foot. That was clearly against the principle of the Noble Lord; for even if the Hertford case were to be taken as the precedent, the four troops of Lord Surrey should have been reduced by fifty men for the purpose of hav ing the Petworth troop retained, as the corps of the Hon. Member for Sheffield had been in Hertfordshire. Now, he ( Sir H. Hardinge) wished the Noble Lord would inform him of the reason of the difference which had been made between these two bodies? Mr. ALSTON defended the retention of the Hertford Yeomanry. With respect to the corps commanded by Capt. Ward (the Hon. Member for Sheffield) he (Mr. Alston) thought at the time the reduction was about to take place that they had as good a right to be retained as any other men in Hertfordshire—(Laughter)—for a better disciplined and more effective body of men he had never seen, and he had stated to the Noble Lord that it would be a hard case f or that part of the county of Hertford in which he lived if they were not kept up.—(Cheers from the Opposition Benches, and laughter. ) Sir ROBERT PEEL did not agree with some of the positions laid down by the Noble Lord (Lord John Russell) and the Under- Secretary of State (Mr. F. Maule). He did not agree that the fact of th e yeomanry corps not being brought into operation was a reason f or their being discon tinued. He believed that one of th e most valuable effects of the yeomanry was that it was not brought into collision with the people, but that it was a dormant strength.—(Loud cheers from the Opposition.) Th e hi ghest possible compli ment that could be paid to the y eomanry force was that it was neve r called into operation._( Ch eers.) There being on the one hand a consciousness of strength, and on the other hand a consciousness that that strength was ready to be brought into operation, prevented collisions and angry feelings, while no party excitement was the consequence. Therefore the absence of active operations was the very best reason for continuing the yeomanry force.—( Che ers. ) B ut i t was a new pr i ncip l e to hear that, according t o th e pr i nc i ples of the Br i t i sh Con stitution, the vicinage was not to be applied to for the purpose of suppressing disturbance and preserving property. He thought it was one o f t h e most ancient principles of our constitution that the v i c i nage was responsible for tranquility, and it;,twas therefore to him a perfectly novel doctrine that the regular force should be called in to maintain order, arm that they should be brought from their quarters, a dis'ueee of fifty or sixty miles, whilst the vicinage was not to be held responsi. ble for the maintenance of tranquilllty. He thought, on the contniry, that all the principles of the constitution imposed on the vicinage the responsibility of maintaining rice. H o must say that he th oug h t there was a clear distinetien between such eases as that o f . C anada, and the suppression of riots. He could easily understand, in ease of a civil con 'Jet. that the better Bourse would be to. employ a military force, but when property was in danger from riot, the good feelings of all men would be in favour of suppreasioo, and, they might appeal to ,1 the loyalty of the Queen's subjects to suppress it without ex- . citing their apprehensions or wo un di ng th e i r f ee lings. If they . we, e prepared to ma i n t a i n a m ilit ary f orce to suc h an ex tent.a. to enable them to employ it on every occasion to suppress in surrection it would be very well, but he apprehended that they could not maintain such a force, that they were hot ready to have regiments of cavalry and dragoons scat-, tered over the country.—( Hear, hear.) And to what sort of men were they to apply this to ? To men of charac ter and substance, to whom they ought to give, as it were, a retaining fee, in order that if the public tranquillity were in danger they might come to demonstrate their loyalty, and their determinadon to maintain the public peace.—( Hear' hear.) He did not believe that the substitute for this force Would be half so satisfactory—( Hear, hear)—and he must say that upon the whole that part of the people of England was ready to obey the law. He was not deeply alarmed at the supposition of the Noble Lord opposite that the yeomanry force that remained would be held on a very precarious tenure. He had heard one of her Majesty's Lieutenants say that nothing was so fatal as bringing the yeomanry into con tact with the manufacturing population of towns, and that sentiment was cheered, and he believed by some Members of her illijesty's Government. Now, if that were the principle on which the abolition of the yeomanry force was to be sup ported, he was quite prepared to join issue upon it, because he would show that it was in the manufacturing districts ti.ese corps were upheld.—(Cheers from the Opposition.) What were the counties in whi c h th e y propose d to main tain the yeomanry ? Th e y were Ch es hi re, L anar k s hi re, Lanca shire, Leicestershir e , N or th um b er l an d , N ott i ngham, . Somerset, Stafford, Wa rw i c k s hi re , W orcesters hi re, an d York shire.—(Cheers.) H e wou ld as k w h y t hi s force was to be kept up in those counties on ly w hi c h h a d a manu f actu ring population ? It was bicause they knew th at a manu f a cturing" population was more subject . to sudden excit , ment than an agricultural population, that they could not part with the yeo manry force in those districts ; and though an occasional ni stance might occur, such as that at Manchester twenty years ago, of exasperation arising out of party feeling, yet that was the only instance that could be appealed to, to show the per manent evil consequences arising from the appointment of the yeomanry. That this force was necessary in a large manufac turing population was admitted, for the reason given for main taining the Lanarkshire corps was its vicinity to Glasgow. But the Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell) himself, when it was oece., ary to vindicate a colleague, was willing to admit that the increase of the force in 1831 was entirely justifiable a nd wise. Why was it wise in 1831 to increase the yeomanry, when party feeling ran very high, and there was great political excitement ? If the Noble Lord thought the employment of yeomanry bad, why was Lord Melbourne justified in increas ing the yeomanry in 1831? But whew there was excitement among the manufacturing population, why did not the Noble Lord come to Parliament and say, " We will not increase the yeomanry, because it is d angerous , b u t we w ill as k you t o in crease the infantry and cavalry, in order that we may avoid the evil consequences of local collisions and party spirit ?" On this account he was totally unable to reconcile the different grounds taken up by different Gentlemen in the course of this , debate ; but his impression was, that thi s p ro p ose d sav ing 0 1 25,0001. would be a very great loss.—(Loud cheers from the Opposition.) He did not agree with those who fancied that when a necessity arose that the yeomanry, on account of this supposed slight, would be unwilling to come forward to render' their services. —(Cheers.) He did not believe that they would be actuated by such feelings. Hon. Members migh t read letters written under excitement by one individual or anolier, but he would place against these individuals' acts the testimony of a Noble Lord, with respect to those corps which had been discontinued, that on all occasions on winch their services were required they had uniformly disytayed zeal and loyalty.—( Hear, hear.) This was wit',, respect to the corps which had been discontinued, and h e did not claim a high e r com pli ment f or t h ose which 'mid been con tinued. But if th e y h a d a power f u l force compose d o f the elite of th e c. Jun t ry , compose d o f men who, be believe d, without dispar agemen t t o others, might firmly b e relied upon for loyalty, exer ti on , an d personal sacrific e as any other class—if for 25,000 men they could avoid slighting these Ine n and wounding th e i r f ee li ngs — if t h ey could r e tain them 10 this service though they might not have been called into actua l conflict, and though there might be no necessity for their act ing, he believed they would purchase for 25,0001. a year the affection s o f a l oya l an d d evoted body of men, 'out a great guara n t ee f or t h e permanent maintenance of 1-.ranzint IL> , than they could p urc h ase b y ant other mode in w h 'c' they could exp en d th at sum. —(L oud cheers.) An Hot. ME MBER , w h ose name we could not learn, sa id g that an Hon. M em b er h a d state d that the disbanding of the yeomanry had given g rea t sat i s f act i on in Scotland, H e could only say th a t i n t h e county whim he had the honour treoarrepaire.ot sent the people were dissatisfied with the reduction to the utmost degree. The Committee then divided, when the numbers were' . For tho vote Against it Majority Tke CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and o l , :tained leave to sit again. 0n the moti on o f Si r R . PEEL , the Committee was ap pointed on the subj ec t o f recogn i zances and cost., of election petitions as follows Robert Peel, Mr. Poulett Thomson, Sir James Graham, Mr. John Parker, Mr. 'Williams Wynn. Mr. Hume, Sir Thomas Fremantle, MY:•., Sergeant Ball, Mr. Greene, Mr. S o li c it or - G enera l , Si r Edward Sugden Mr. Charles Villiers, M r . E stcourt, M r. Shaw Lefevre, and Mr. Pringle. Standing Orders, Co mm i ttee nominated :—Mr. Shaw Lefevre, Lord Viscount Ebringto n , M r. P oulett Thomson, Sir James Graham, Mr. Wilson Patten, Mr. Robert Palmer, Mr. Aglionby, Lord Stanley, Mr. Pendarves, Lord Viscount Sandon, Mr. Guest, Mr. Greene, Mr. Chalmers, Sir Thomas Fremantle, and Mr. Villiers Stuart. The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and.i the House adjourned at half-past Twelve. RECOLLECTIONS OF CAULINCOURT, DUKE O F VICENTA.—These volumes (just published) throw lie,t on the hitherto imperfectly explained facts relating to The Duke D'Enghien's death, a n d C au li ncourt effectually clear? . him self of the c h arge o f even i nvoluntary participationin that tragical event. Th ere i s another circumstance that impart s great interest to this publication, namely, that the Duke of Vicenza describe s i n m i nute detail the circu ms t ance s attendinr , `; Napoleon's attempt e d su i c i de during the negotiations for the abdication of 1814. Th e Duke slept at Fontainebleau invu the night when N a p o l eon took the draught of poison, and and Dr. Ivan w ere t h e only persons present in the Emperof bed-chamber during those dreadful convulsions under wlaic 3 he was momentarily expected to sink. MR. BULWER'S NEW NOVEL.—Mr. Bulwe r describes hi s new wor k , " Ernest Maltravers and Mice, 9 the most matured and comprehensive of his works of fiction. It is more in the nature of the history of the heart, than a n i i . l thing he has yet p u bli s h e d . I t is a book in which the author has relied more upon his own resources tian any other I' v ' n f. writer would have had the courage to -attempt. Mr. BI;d! le i has never indul ge d so r i c h a vain of e i alck perception, remark, and bold original and por‘erful thinking, as we find opened up in Ernest Maltravers and Alice.—Examiner- el es Museu m o f N atural History at the Jardio "e 9 ; Plantes, Paris, h as rece i ved three gazelles and two ostriches (male and f ema l e ) , sent from Abd-el-Kader to the King. Th ostriches, on being placed in the enclosure allotted to the'n! began to swall ow t h e l i ttle pebbles which they found . I with extraordinary avidity. On Saturday a huge block of freestone, on a waggon drawn by six horses, passed along Prince 's -str eet, from the wes t. W e understood it was from Binny qua r s r Linlithgow s hi re , an d i s intended for a. colossal statue of Walter Scott, to be erected in Glasgow. It was being C°7 veyed to F is h errow, t h ere to be seulpturr.d by the skilful h an d of that ri s i ng art i st, Mr. J. Ritchie_ The weiht of the block is about sev en tons, and the gross weight of" the roug h material to be used in this statue will exceed thirteen tone Scotsman. Another instance of the injury done to our fishe r ' . men by the French fishermen, occurred off Brighton a fel; days ago, w h en t h ey ran i nto our boats. After being entanigle upwards of three hours, at the imminent risk of their llv es t our men wer e f orce d to cut away, and the Frenchmen sue eceded in stealing fourteen of the nets.—Brighto n Gazettes ---" ----------S-tiv SILVER EDGED PLATED DlSii ; T. COX SAVORY offers for selection, arranged in his ST Rooms, a m os t ex t ens i ve var i ety of CORNER DISHES. 01. Set of F our var i es i n pr i ce from Seven to Ten Guineas, T. 0 `-',„. 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Howard, of a &Ale,. .r. On the 26th inst., a t C larence -terrace, Regent's-park, the 16 ' of George Reid, E sq., of a son. On the 23d i ns t. , at Huddersfield, the lady of the Rev. J. 11- Oldham, of a dau g ht er. _......- . At Weston Ch urc h , on MAR RI th in E st. D , Lieute;iant-Colonel Job" Home, of the lion. East India Company's Se,ryice, to Susan, th ° eldest daughter of C. Batsford. Esq., of Wfr,ton, Somers Colonel Studd, 76th Regirr. en D t. lED , . onl y child of On the 25th int W Family,ane Patterson, s., at Wimbledon,)Lie ut.- On the 9th of Novem',Jer. at D' e n n i s t oun , Van Diemen's L ands J Madras Army. wift of Captain P. Wood, of the Retired List, At Mak as, on the 9th of December, Captain George Jobling9l the l''t Native Vet eran B a tt a li on , and youngest son of the late ..!. ! J'Jbling, E sq ., f ormer l y o f N ewton Hall, Northumberland, aged 35 On the 25th inst., Mr. Robert Fairland, of Chapel-street , P 6ll-- tQnville, aged 59. On the 13th inst., at Ramsgate, Christopher Tennant, Es+, A l 3 his 81st year. On the 22d inst., at Cheltenham, Cleveland Henry Augivitt; So" of J. H. Hulme, Esq., of Camden House, Pittvill.e, agod .1 months. ___ London. Printed and Published by AIURDO "It6IING, of Ile -112, Strand, at The Sun Office, No. 112, :Strand, in the cotia4s of Middlesex.—Saturday, April 24 ei:4.