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F Irish Lo a n Bill and the Exchequer Bills Linti 'n B . , A 1 g ill were read.a third time and passed. tlll,l r. Irving, from the Treasury, presented certain 'il l : Accounts. hci cc/ e Irish Distillery Bill was, read a second time, Inwit ted for to-rngryoUr.--Adjourned. HOUSE OR COMMOIVS, MONDAY, MARCH 26: a a t ?rd Fialf cts OSBORN* and . Mr. .E4st took the and their seats; fir. ,Ctiltwatri brought up the'R eport of the Corn ke•.ee on the P e tition o f The Hon• mber said, it was his intention to movethat the it`7ll:ort be p r i nt ed , an d 116 11re - refers was at ; xlOus that ould be carefully pervised by the Members, as „ i l llY'graluable,lives had 6,:ed saved by tiring, agree lisY to his pl an , c an non s hot at tac h e d t o •A r o p e o ver esca • 'els' wrecked, by which means several men ed being drowned. He then moved, that the ?o P rt be printed, which- was agreed to. k i lt. P etition was presented from the Trustees of the % ,„_"sb Mtiseum, . prayin - Parliathentary aid, which ref erred to a Con g ttee. e ir LORD ERSKINE. 114 , 7 ANSTRUTHER said; it reference to what u_mfallen from him on Friday evening, be wished; tk vw to state, that Lord Erskine was notpresent when :te.Resolution was adopted respecting the exclusion to 'lel:loners for the Newspapers from being called Nth' Bar,. as entered into by the Benchers of Lin aoilb-ratn, He was in the Chair - when the Re solution was presented to him; ''signed 'by; several iir•rist4a, but was not present whin it was taken l e onsideration and adopted by the Benchers. I t o SHERIDAN said, that he had recerved a letter 4itnilar effect from the Nable Lord," who, know. I t a w hat he did at present, did not *approve of the % lotion. the Resolution being brought up from the la ti t c riittee of Supply, respecting the Staff in Scot `S v ir.GEORGE WAHRENDER'ojetted to the Re -4llion • as being an extravagant - Waste' of pubbc of e Y• He objected also to the COthaiander of one the Districts being a foreigner, and therefore rriov•• 'hat the further consideration of the Resolution 1 „, 9 1 d be d e fe rre d till to'-rniirroW;, 'which motion •th*!_ tiegiitrved without d - dirison. The Report was ,Tra agreed to. - int.ISONEs'oF WAR. Sttaups garenOtice that 'he would . subtnit a , `'ne Houre ou The:Stay - next respecting Proposition from the Ger ernment of - France for E xceaugeot PrisonerL - Mr L SIR FRANCIS JIVIZI3CTT. ` jq L , • ETHERIDGE rose, seeing the Hon. Baronet ' ,of "is place, to,put a question to him on theAlbjed 4etter Which appeared in a Paper of Saturday, s n g,e raily known by the name of. Cohbett's Register. t e ;,, 1 L 1 4 Paper was-contained Letter, with an ac .}t_Panying ar g ument; signed with the name of the e llu urable Baronet, and addressed to the Electors "I to ; he wished to know, therefore, v: 4 ,, the Honourable Baronet, whether the Letter 01 .4 e * a ctually written by him, and whether. the argu et which i mme di a tely followed the Letter, was inserted under his sanaion. FRANCIS Sir ti t) - -RANCIS BIYRDETT had no sort of hesita ti in declaring, that the Letter was written by t o ru h ' add that* the Proprietor of`the Paper- alluded t h , ac .rhis authority for inserting it. He also was cl r - P a red to admit, that the argument had 'been . a wn up by him. Iqobligations ; 1.. LeTtfaiunGtexpresser4 h i s o,r to the atl e n• Baronet for the frankness with- which he had I sti l , vir ered his inquiry.ile would, therefore, although t o :a Young Mernber, giye notice of his intention na9frour to Submit for the consideration of the .p e ° ase, a motion concerning the contents of the Pe jo'. aillided Whit:ll.'lle coniiddred to be-not only. 1 - 1 61i !ting to the dignity; but a gross violation of the s e p il egeiOf thd House.—HiS motion Would; he ob- . • ' T v ed be a very short one. • • - 111 1-4341 FoLKSTONE thought, that as the Hon.. Gentl e --: r " 4 bad stated the subjed to' be of a grave and i t. " o '4s nature, involving the privileges Of the House, w ould become tfie Hon. Gentleman to move to pro teed te the consideration immediately. their. LET HB R IDGE thought,that in-conformity with L ad general practice in giving notice -of motions, be eEted properly. to ` - 'or.d TEMPLE suggested to the Hon. Gentleman di M ake his complaint now, 'and then it might be .o . s e t esSed o n a f uture day.—(Here there was a cry Chair !. chair !") 1 : 11 ° SPEAKER . for the information of the `House tltLed, that th e course of proceeding was to give no t4f complaint, should the person against whom 'l l °°3 Plaint was intended to be made be absent. If, r e ever, lie was present, then it was competent for Hon. Member to 'proceed, or to appoint some i4he ..r day, which ever seemed most desirable. • •kr. LETH BRIDGE obserred, that _when he first - acne down to the House this day, he meant to have 411 ‘ _nred th at th e H on . B arone t s ho u ld at ten d in his 1 2 .c e. In case lie had not been in the House, but - " nai ng him in ,his place, he had walked ,across- the ' }louseto him, and had informed him that-he should -g i ve notice of a motion against him on the subjed of the letter. • Q. FRANCIS 13.1.11IDETT observed, that it was true . the Hon. Gentleman had walked over, but he did _ slot inform him of the purport of his motion, and be thought it was in justice due to him (Sir F.) 1 :-at the Hon. Gentleman should point out the nature of the Complaint. The SPEALER reminded the Hon. Gentleman that IUESDAY, MARCH 27, 1810. it wit competent for him to 'deliver in at the table the Paper complained of, which was the only course he could pursue at present. , He might however do so now, or to-morrow. , - Mr. LETHBRIDGE thanked the Speaker for his - intimation,-. - and- wottld `l4 the " Papet to-mor,rov, . and- bring the subjea' before the House on a future day. - . .‘• Lord Foutriciria - cculd not see the.propriety of allowing the complaint-to stand over. -Was it right .that the. Hon. BaronCt should remain subjeet to the charge of having groisly insulted the House, .with ,out. the opportunity of immediately vindicating him self ? ...Thellon. Gentlenian might make the trio- • lion now, and he ought not to harbour. in his breast - the grounds- of the motion . beyond 'the present mo ment. - When he had . roundly stated that the Hon. Baronet had grossly insulted and violated _the privi-. .leges.of the House, it was too much to expect that be would - Set down, under such, ati imputation, without desiring the HouSe to examine' the con plaint immediately. In the case of another,Ment r her (Mr. Fuller), against'whom a charge of.a,simi lat.. -nature' had been made, the House proceeded imniedlately to the consideration of the charge. If such a complaint was suffered to pass a day without investigation, it was contrary to all precedent.. 1 General GASCOYNE - here-rose to order, and ob served, that it was usual to give notice of a motion without "debating that notice;- therefore. the Hon. Gentleman was perfe6tly , right in pursuing the course he. had chosen. The SPEAKER Interrupted the Hon. General, by Stating, that in ordinary cases it was the praEtice to give notice, but in matters affecting the privileges of Parliament, the House had been in the habit of consulting together. The Hon. Gentleman might , proceed or not, as he judged most proper. Lord FOLKSTONE maintained that he was Piir fealj, correct in what he had stated, and he con ceived the Hon. Gentleman would do well to pro ceed now. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought the Hon. Gentleman ought to'be left to: judge for himselt as to the precise time when he should bring his motion forward. When- the Hon. Gen tleman had put the House in possession of his com plaint, then they would determine how to proceed. The Hon. Gentleman might not be so prepared ')to mike his motion as if he had thought the Hon. Baronet would have been in his place, yet at the same time might be impressed with the strong nkces,ityof calling the attention of the House to the cause of complaint. The charge Wa's a grave and'serious one, an it_ would mot ,be convenient to discuss it now, when a debate was expected on an other s . ubjea. -* 11..C.,Wvt,ms could nor. agree with the Right Hon. Gentleman, that it would be more desirable to "interrupt ,the proceedings on the Inquiry in the . middle,; which- must be ,the . case ? unless, the Hon. Gentleinan's motion was made before the Noble 'Lord brought forward his motion. Mr. LETHBRIDGE intending to make a formal complaint, would decline at present, and bring it forward to-morrow. PRICE XPEN~E HIFPENNS: to the extent and nature of the evidence, first, with main. The CipiniOn of General -Hope, which was respect to General Calvert's testimony, who stated, founded in assumptions; still was concurrent with that - at the- end of March, the army which in the those of the other military_men: In all their opia month of January returned from Spain was.etotfit niens the attack on Antwerp was censidered as the for service; that some of the corps who weretlis, .1 primary' objea, -distina from the thedifated &cepa.; charged from the hospitals were not fit for an aCdive Lion of .Walcheren. The Noble Lord, having clan le - campaign:- The House would "no doubt compare l suited five military men, finds the opinions of four this,statement with what they had heard during the decidedly 'adverse to his plan of carrying his object: by last. Session es to the account of the British fore,. a coup-de-main, and the fifth not fairotiable.-..a .and then - ask theenselves whether ,the impression Having examined the -military part of the evidence,. which such statements were intended to produce, lee would now recur to the naval. On the 4th of could convey to the country the real knowltdge of June,' Sir Hon*:Popham wasient:for to town, to the:situation of the army; or whether they were ; be consulted upon the subjea ; and after some. in. not meant to delude the Hotise and the Country; terviews; Sn Home, on the tith of June, sentin :Whether they did not induce a' belief that the army a memorandum - (referred to in his evidence) to. the was completely ruined by the imprudence of Govern-.. -Noble Lord with his opinion, which' it,Would not bd merit ?Of the 22 to 23,000 re-embarked from..Spai9 necessary to goehrOUgh in detail. He should con in the month of January; Ministers could not in the tent himself with staring, that in that_ memorandum rim th of March find I ,oniti fit for service, He Sir Home pressed two pointe for the.ettention and should now pass over the subsequent examination of i coneideration of the Admiralty -00e orthem was, the Commander in Chief, and advert to the letter tbe:neeessity that the troops embarked ahould he of my Lord Castlereagh to the COMmander in Chief, sent'oilt in men of war, .aed eohtransports, be : which was. the first .overt as of : Ministers, and cause "transports were clog to . the Expedition. which skewed, at least, that they anted wisely ie Another point was the necessity of ttot delaying the consulting Military men on the subje& of the Ex- sailin g of the fleet ; because the season was then pedition. • The Expedition was no new project, fasteadvancing in - Which* they would have a power could not be called a:precipitate measure, for it bad e i t eeem y to contend with in the elements. He also _ long been under consideration ; the plan of it there,. e e s 'b e d to press upon the eonsideretiOn of the fore should at least have been well digested. lu Board; the propriety of having the 'Expedition reedy asking for the opinions of these military r-nn,:theY for sailing by' the 26th'oe 27th of June, at the'lah; did so'with eview tofetm their own decisions, only est.. He also reeommended that the number of waiting for the favourable moment to carry the plan horses should be reduced. - Instead of attending to into effea. What was the substance cf the Noble the suggestion of promptitude, .I.Vlittii.ters not olier_ Lord'scomriannication ? -Why he stated he had re- increased the number ' of hoeseS, but delayed the ceiveti information which had led him to expe4 sailing until the , 28th of July. On' the t9th of that he should not find any 'material resistance in June another ;riaval 'authority wa consulted, and the proposed attack upon the Island of - Waleheren, that was Sir Richard Straohan, whp wa s placed in This communication was made on the 29th May, the command of the newel part of the Expedition, but it w - aa thought more advisable not merely to The observations of Lord Mulgraee to this Officer depend upon . ' the sole opinion of the Comman-, were, that the difficultiei 'attending the ulterior ob.. der in 'Chief, but to have the opinions, of finer jeas of the Expeditioh • would be great, but that other Military Officers. Sir David"Pundas, how- the. Ships. must go above Antwerp. From the exa ever, states that if the enterprize was impossible mination of that gallant Officer it was clear, that or' hazardous at the period when advice was asked, though Ministers had - fixed their eyes, - on this ob it would be still more -so at a future period. That I jet they.did - not think that the-ships could go up the strength of the enemy, and the advantages the rive - . Sir Richard remarked to Lord Mulgraye, which they might be naturally supposed to possess, that .1 -that could be thine was to take the Island of should be well . weighed ; and he endeavoured to ins- Walcheren. The - gallent OffiCer thereby anticipat press on the mind of the Noble Lord, and proposed ed -wliat the House was in .posession of,- - that the two modes for - accomplishing the ebjea, if praaica- • produce of the ee - terprize was a iieavy expellee, and ble. Sir David particularly advised, that, the corn- that -the ermaitc:ne had dohe nothing more than parative strength of the enemy and tile local„situa- take the Island of •Walcheren, - and . afterwards eve tion of Antwerp should be` maturely considered. ,In cuate it. e Lord Millgrave's 'opinion • was, that it his eVidence. he - had stated that Antwerp, from his would go on well. Sir - Straehan was ape own personal knowledge ; was tuffictenely_ fortified firehensive of the consequence In addition to to undergo a regular siege. The N o ble Lord should' these 'opinions, military' and ,naval, 11(Iutisters bad . have well considered, before he risked tiro last army the: opinions of two naval 'Lords, then they form he possessed, the consequeneeS 'ot the attempt._ Sir ed a plan of •some sort or other ;* and here-his diffi- David, ui his letter of the ed-of Jane, to. the Noble why •was' increased, for on lookittoVer the papers, Lord, states, that "in whatever way . Antwerp is to !here were so many plane it was difficult to discover be approached or taken, the service is one of very which 'plan was the best. • The Noble Lord had his great risk, and irr which the safe return of the army ' plan, .which, in the outline, was ilffietilt in' follow— , cl inF j oy a nu ,,. LIR tic ve r y 'precarious, two, ! ep- the Board o f Admiralty had their plan, wheel was position made, and the length of time consumed its different from the Noble Lord's. When the equip the operation, which enables the enemy to assemble merit and sailing came to be considered, the plan Of in a short time in great, force from every part of the tai Noble Lord seemed the most wise, for Whateter Netherlands and Holland, and even from Wespha7- became of the ships of the enemy, ours were not pia by the course of the Rhine, as well as from the to be risked.—Then, as to plans, the Right Hon. frontiers of France." Here then was suggested to Gentleman (Mr. Perceval) had his plan, and his ob . the Noble Lord the idea Which tie was booed to at- jest was not to send the Expedition •to that point tend to, of what might be the 4iSposable force which -where success must attend its progress, but 'to that the Ruler of France might asseMble tobear against poiitt, Where it could be conveyed - with the smallest the British army , and the very great peril which quantity of dollars, totally forgetting that in an might eventually atten d the project. The next opi- equipment of this nature' bullion was as necessary nion which the Noble Lord and his colleagues had as powder and ,shot. With respe& to the plan of recourse to, was that of General Calvert, a person the Secretary for Foreign Affairs, that he had yet well selected by the Commander in Chief, and he t o learn ;it might be 'pOssibie that though he had seemed to possess what to - be sure the Ministers one in embryo, he did not, communicate it to his col scouted as unnecessary, but which all - rational men leagues. The Comthender in Chief of the naval must consider as an indispensA)le preliminary, viz. part had a.plan too, but the Commander in Chief a local knOwledge of the 3401 star e of Antwerp, of the land forces, it appeared, .had do plan at all. the approaches to it, the meads of defence, 'The Noble Lord might think. it was di ffi cult to find atichttie knOWledge of the probability that the :ere - .out hiS plan, but it was only to recur to what op my Must - . he appriied of the objects. of the pro- pe . ared to.be the original intention of Government. posed enterprise.' The Noble Lord, however, con-. When the armament sailed, it was intended that the ceived. he - had what he ealled data to go on, and left wing. of the army should take possession of though he consulted military risen, yet he negletted Walcheren--sthat the main part, consisting of the opinion of Gen. Calvert. Whet was that opi 22,000 men, ,should g o to. Santeliet to accomplish nion as disclosed by his evidence ?," That from the ' what, was denomtuate .“ a second ulterior SIII)131. circumgtapces. disclosed in the letter of, the Corn- taneous subsequent operation." The ground,of suc [Dander in Chief, the service, howevee urgent, was cess was, that the occupation-of Santvher was to be one exposed to ,great risk."• What was the opi- accomplished in five days at, farthest: this was the Ilion of Colonel Gordon on • the subject, a" that • opinion Of Sir Richard Strachan, should the weather nistersshould take into their consideration as .their permit. Lord P. next proceeded to 'the consider primary view, the extent of our means and the ex- ation of the detail of the plan. On the 23d Jun e , tent of the enemy's.", As to the. information on Lord Castlereagh had a ~ .communication with Lord the latter point, there was none which could lead to chathann e . having, on the 21st, previously ob a probable guess even as to the extent of their force; tamed his Majesty's sanaion to proceed In the Ex but that from their protimity,. and the facility of pectgon. .His zeal however outrun his Majesty's approach, it Mustbe imagined that they would bring sanaiotii for the Commander in Chief in his estarni. their whole force. One part of the defence of Mi- i nation stated,-that though the troops were ready for nisters he Understood would be; that great part of the I embarkation on the 18th June, three days prior to informatien on this head, bad been, received subse- having obtained the King's sanction, the Noble quern to, the opinions which they had taken : that Lord represented that the great °hied' was to get very circumstance furnished, strong ground of accu- possession .of the arsenals and fleet of the enemy ; sation, for he Must contend that they .should have j but itethe examination of the Commander in Chief, been in ° possession of information before,' they had his plan was stated to beto carry his objett bi a 'coup resolved to carry the project into effea. Colonel de-main, for that the resources furnished no means Gordon pressed the necessity of having possession for protmaing,the War. The objet Were twofold, of the; bank of the river: The sum total of this viz. the deattuaion of the enemy's arsenals', and the Officer's opinion was, that the enterprise was` one of attack of Fluting, under certain contingencies, very great. desperation and risk: The next opinion 1 combining with ethe latter• a powerful- diversion, :was that of General ,Browitrigi, relatieg to the ppe- against the enemy. They entered upon the enter rations by lirtd,, and he concurred with all die pther prize, without considering, the great difficulties and military,, officers as to the danger and impraaicabili- possibilityel failure, and recommended -its adOptiiin ty The Noble Lora here commented upon ,the on no other expectation. of success then the hopeslhat evidence of the General, whO declared that if the the • enemy vvould s move, out of the' reach . of oar destruttiou of the erletey s arsenals was the objets army.. What was the evidenceof Sir H. Popham as that . in view, could only be eff...Cted by seeding, up to the praaicability of success ? His opinion was, the Scheldt ri'force of ten thousand troops, which ". that enless.-,one _bank of the Scheldt was in our could riot be done unless We had the complete. na- .possession We could not pass up to Santvliet." All illgation of the river. Notwithstandieg all these the Navalopinions were, that four days should be ' opinions, the Noble Lord recurred to . his own ex- 7 -all Owed instead of three for accomplishing the. pase travaeant and impraCticablo idea, as detailed in his* sage. Ministers had not chosen to consult Si r R. • evidence, of carrying - the enteroise by a coupcli- Keaies upon the aubjed, although lie held a. 'high THE EXPEDITION TO THE SCHEI,DT. Lord PORCHESTER rose, for the *pose of call.. ing the attention of the HoUse to the subjea 'of the late Inquiry into the Failure of the Expedition to Walcheren. He stated, that endeavouring in one view to analyze the great 'mass of evidence "which was out before the" Committee of the whole House, he should not only have a difficult and a lengthened task, but he was apprehensive that, the detail into which he - should he compelled to "go would be tedious to the House. Difficult as it was, he should endeavour to do his duty, and ,he felt that it was as painful as 'arduous. On reviewing the campaigns in which this country had been engaged 4 - prior to the fitting . out and sailing of the Walcheren expedition—an expedition; the Magnitude and extent of which had astonished all Europe, .he found - none . that could bear any 'proportion in point of maeni tucte and expenee—none in which the failure had been so extensive. If from these papers' he could eitraa some topics of national consolation—if he could find that though we had fallen, we hail fallen with giory, then some excuse might be offered for Ministers i.but when he found that the failure was so. great, and the consequences of it so important to - `the country that no such excuse could be offered, and if he could discover in the volume before him nothing but what 'to the meanest human under standing conveyed precedents and anticipated causes for failure - , then indeed he must be at a loss to conceive what could impel the, planners of the expedition 'to carry "on such a system - of war fare. Before, however, he traced it' from its mon strous birth to its most horrible catastrophe, - he would advert to one abortive attempt at enterprize which preCeded this grand 'Expedition. On the 24th of March the Commander iii Chief, Sir D ivid DUtida!; had been consulted' on the . propriety and possibility of 'an immediate attack upon Flushirig. Sir David inforthed 'the. Coturriittee that the plan for this attack was totally distinct from the Expedi tion, (" distina, though it 'was in the plan; It was not," said the Noble . Lord, "in the object"). This plan, connected - as it was'with circumstances of re-, cent experience, should"' have - taught 'Ministers be fore they comtnenced 'another Expedition` -hoW to appreciate the force which they had 'at their'dis- Posal. All that , was expected by this project-was to obtain the Whole navy which was at Antwerp, which object, had it iucceeded, might - .have been matter of exultation. Why had" it not been at ?" Sir David , hall - explained that mystery. He had stated, that there was not a sufficient force at liberty to" undertake it. The shattered remnants of the army'retUrned froth Spain in such a state as so preclude the possibility of sending them out. This, thew, was the real season w.hy this proje c t ‘was" a bandoned. Hating mad' these observations, th'e Noble :Lora would call the attentibti 9f the House / '