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3 11" ;oin - ;I.ttO Ifo l , Alt j° ~.~ tJ c nt i + is-e, ,end, C3se, (rota, j? 4t ana ;pair. 11° th . at 1 - 1 10/ ' al LI It 1011`13_ -- 13f i°C ~~.l~' ~}'s ~ilg 1 11.1 , Y 1 ► .3 Ji V ) foil. ,1 3 Al 7 1 0 ;0 10 den; ill 31d 11,.:' :~• t:i~ C o 10.1 ,1 t • IC • k r i 5 to". l.L~'•t~~~ .1 f :t I{ 7 , 1,01 s of "104)1' pfoc ll-ICv mg, bu y fic ,, r do*: •-• /(1, allj L GOV OII- . :essi the ( t. 3 CO . 11l IV I. l° positto a Lould hot .zi Ins , ' • r ' " twintrsters - when .t le answer. was given lo AAA pi.the - Citv Of ',canton, .it.wopl:l have ‘..1 4 .Inpossible fOr Oren to have giVee 4is,Majesty tltlthey g - :,V•0 on that oc'ea• sion, ro it, would reply that al - thriueli the.existence ot hie Lyrd's rati• .certainly unk now n ° •.:..9 11 n at the' •periedT: ed-hided- to, yet that have s , itig, had - on or,,' • t ' • f d,i•t;F:r a lel cOnsiderieg' thap et . p00r., - Leni y o y iNtrrairve; he h.d alts- in stat:ng that it titer not containany t him? would have incli.?cee .“1:1) to-offer to his Majesty - eany other advice than A lvhielel?e-hed offeied oil, the presentation of he finee the City. of London., It was his de epieioe that • eels, not any thing in the ..t..y..qeired different • ,1 . a 'alive of Lord Cli.nleirn which ought -to have atiswer to,that addiess-, - What - O r r ' l ''' i g t !te have been., the he Noble • 1 •9,,t/k pie LIC Ii). Isis NafratiKejlV- had' 'it'' d , Owti• case,. and !eft lo e the 'Ad,'. v a l to accountfor those cp.:est:lnt:es of a- II n ature,. in wh.eh, as Lord ChathatriesuppoSedi iMpedirneoti to ti,e of test might have : been Lord Chatham's' view. U.'esui)ject, he (the•Chaneelle.r of the.Exchenuer) Ct . .lY. deeiare,, that tt appeared. to hirp.per-: clear. from the di4pateltes, both of Lord Chat h 4 1 at.xf Sir Richard Siraelein, that trot-the.slightest hornt e attached to; the gallant Admiral, hut that' l i ttr ; „C l ,elaY• which had taken place was not 01- . ' ‘4'eatto. the Nbet: to the hostility_ of the • h ivy, r er, and the difficuhy of their situation. As: 41' or ll4 ' ll U, iiad proceeded, lie had been more and e urifixined in this opinion: •.There was nothing iii:i-Case,,that ever niduced hiMito. advise that. Sir: ti aL ' a N Stracitan shhuld be tried by a Court-Mar titic„. or that any other inquiry of that nature should to Thar was the extent ot t he answer given ..th e city of .London. - What other course would gUclt '?"?'.Pentletnan opposite have prestanitd, in • ,eit canAstancei..? Would •.he have direeted an ciii (l . lll Y to have been,institute.d-?. What, kind of in knirY• • A joint inquiry "bid his-.reading or his Proe: ) ., d .b i ' e of history afford, any...instance, of 'such-. • tie d L "'"g:2 An inquiry : againi; .a Naval Officer bear r such circumstances ? d•Was.sueh a-thing ever p t , si ", Of 'When pregnant fads disproved-the sup -3a5111,.°4 .! , f blame, would, it have been, j.ustifithle Zg a ;,`" t e_. a Court-Martial on a gallatic• Officer, had J b st 'Yiloto no ehargehad been preferred, but who e 4al eetrdelayed in the execotion of his duty by cit. • tr e ,,, t ) 4 "tes which it Was impossible for hint to con • aie tt „ . .„ wes imPossible for hhn to pass by •the 1 We1. 7-Vet siOnS" :Of- the lion... Gentleman on the an, to whicqt his Maiesty :had been. advised to .make wa;'t Atldiess of the City of London, .alt hough he et l i s „?4re that, : the subject, wonld . be better dis or ; : ( 1 4 . w hell tie motion should be:brought forward; bi.h' r ` lic h a 'Noble Lord (Lord Temple) had that 1 4 , 1)e , given notice. The present- question: .was; the ' - ' l er the House would address his Majesty for litrhi c r i i rQ dtletion Of a paper, of the very existence of ki te 01, 7 were ignorant: and of which all they that whatever. might be its character, it could a " dfficial paper, nor one which the House . q, l \v 'th propriety. take „cognizance of. eha o .Ler - I:us observed, that, afte r Si r it: Stra . thi, ct s dis Pateh, on the abandonment o f t h e u l ter i or I ) os s ie i s Pf the eXped - it ton,. he ; contended it. was l in - N at f • or Lora Chatham not to,have.given in his • vindicatiOtt hiinself. Sir' itiI NRY spOee in ftvour of the motiorL e l la ad Alkea4l° l ' , lk POPH `e' 4 M 'firmly believed, that pape rs o f to'actually existed; because.no One : 41, thi e d t ,'Tteo deny that eXislence ;•he hoptfd - thAt a) t nTt,+tli eircanistatire•the teaiiigs of the 1-ftinge w - on Id with th ose o f a g4lant and meriktrious ati r ‘.!vho saw his - atarattr attacked without _hay or)portiliej, iviodic4iin g it ; a n d -th e y : . i.1.-ti ro ) "( l ge.' of the nature • of the charges cornaieed 'ative i ' lli i:Dowm , palYers- from :the journal intl. nar trlaei air d e t . 9 y en• the- table; as well-as t from theler (,the.t.:!.°,l„?. tlenien of the : ot her7lside in' refusing ?ttaeb a _ t-1 " topresented the feelirrvof Sir Richard roccsf trgnahlingly eao iPk. and . those .of -every naval offieet -as tie B NPatl him s• He conjured• the use tit)i 6 - • • etc) refuk an act of - justrce.to an officer tto ° - f u r e. . d by his services, -and by. marks of appro- Yrei ga - 5 9,,h1,.. this -Hole: :House,. and front-the qO - Was honc.nred: wit it, his confidence, and Plurise-r°ve to the,wietid that he. never would abau rlPlaiti-e:49Se. n.:etuber then perused and a live S ortie it - accuracies in Lord Chatharn'S'Nar g- See 1::"a "lekltiOnek! among other things, that Sit eYQI," had said to his Lordship that if he fouled W ptt bombarding Flushing by , lieland would ue t o • . 0 1.11 1 1 I ltc with SIX of the line, and th wh Y k u( ) the Such was the ha r di nebs vkr p ie " the gailant Admir a l had b een rei , road h e d, "(11.4„ "" )B el'l' WARD said, that as soon as the alto"e 6 rd at the id of the Admiralty was ac it the .ex .e i;tente . of Lord Chatham's I\Ta'r..l ,‘llat i f ,'" sent ,a letter to Sir R. Strahan, stating, • Of'th t ' F ' t ' as C ommander e in Chief ;Of the-naval part• ti would draw tip r a aiarra,ti,ie of the .. 1)AV) , he would' be the channel of 11 it, to his Majesty.. The Hon. Meenber Ixtra e trout a lett e r, f ront Lord Mulgravie to. tti ‘3l ; t • 'lClian :t9 this effeel, and'Proceed e d t o obH• 1 • di es?a.vy would be able ,to give a-Suffi „-allot to thoSe points On which Lord Sir ' Narrative Seemed to affix bl:tme. fo'ritLe Romieey observed, that' if:he papers , a t_ rue g r„a M ete not in existence, that. would be a ( 7 ) ; ) til i t s i f i T ‘ofe for the proposed Address. It . q.g way to. tranquilize the jealousies shew that no further accusations had' n; : thil against them. 4(1 . s tji . bee t 1 - ) tixn.ts contended, hat . no e‘idence .Ibet-4-.to si .•w that there'were any ad i‘..ttathalliPiid,P!,!•rs in existence., .He thought LOrd ut ,b, ! f or : i a:s! laken a fair and manly course:in c ant his his Maiesty the proccedingS" of the army: iri s . th e u 94-141 h - d • He with viOdt- Situ the a..ll.trcr returned .by hiss Majesty's Minis jot, il cl'iress of the City of London. If s We t e' N .. Aixs:taternsa thought - that if any pa tic Lti r , aO ,, existence they ought- to-be produced. Sre w0,11,-,...:e,flicaCiOUS, inquiry 'was, the 1,41, w ould for el e Kte,Ciee. " 'V f- GENr.A..t...conteeded that there lha tti z•-• '" the derrieaptiur or lanu nage of Lord Which coalinter Omit • tit e 4l ; lB Lr,•a'Priic'c b i,d e XL . StteHlte.:; -nor c ould lie,agree tr , • -- tr . :latest; ed Friend- (Sir Sanailiel lic , n;l:vy, that o ' e r ai " - ' e- of -- ther-Nobl " - L .' t,. a d t . f i i • . e ore Li duet, nte answer to the question pet to : thii7l -. ' uti)l*e- tVititnce to- his isadvanka 7 re. The • c`o House, therefo - re, haring no specific grounds upon, which they. could form ,an addretis to—his Majesty, would act in a manner inconsistent, and Incongru;- . ous with its accustomed pros eedipgs. I p the,fornier case, the;re. wis a 'defined and distinct object iii vie the present'', the House was really it - velling in' the dark, -and kneW - not what it sought,.; Under - every view he had - taken of the subject, 66„ could not butgive the motion his negative.' - Mt. BATHURST declared himself 4ccidedly in fa vinfr of this motion. He was at a loss,fo coneeive, 'upon what .principle ofireason it was the Hori. Gen.. tlemen on the other side of - the House opposed the Address: for if they knew 'that' such a paper had no existence, why refuse a definite answer? The circumstance of their not - saying whethrr it had hid not existence, was ;n his - opinion ptesuinptive .proof at least that there were . papers, the possession of which they were de,irous ofdenying to the House. He 'would not go so far as some Gentlemen had, as to 5:137- What ,the contetits'of such papers might• be; whether of a vriminating tebdency.or not; but Cer- . tainly for the S3liSfiCtitni of the House add khe sake of jest - Ice, -even- to,Lord Chathm . a himself, he would vote for the motion. Mt.' CANNING entered into an elaboi - ate detail of 4 the motives he entertained- for the vote:lie should 1 After detailibg . surnmarily the circumstances of the late -tinfOrtenate expedition to the SeliAdt, and'deducingthe reasons from those w hi c h h a d in &aced his Majesty'alMinister to entertain the idea of inquiry, he proceeded to th e ni, iu question,. name ly, the condud 'of:Lord Chatham, .in appealing to' the - consideration of his Maje Sty through the me dium .of hiS Narrative. In every vieW he had taken of that Noble Lord's department in this particular, he could not but say that he had acted contra y, to the accepted' notions of ,prOpriety. tooti g h. the circumstance of Isla being,a cabinet Minister,. and. forming a - Member of his Maje Sty's Privy Council might entitle him te.certaip priyileges Ireculi:+r to such a di , tinguiAled - situatiOn,...those privileges, did, not accompany him capacily. of Corninkder of an . Expedition.. that situation he was aS-Snb ordinaie to' the intervening authorities betweeit his Majesty tend the' exectr ive as-thehumblest Officer,. 'in the - army. " Admitting, therefore, the trail) of this doaritie, Lord'Cliathain b,:catne resi:ons s ible to the Secretai'y of State, and haddo 111ote Xiglit to' memorial his Majesty, Ih3n any other indiVidual in the eiptdition'.—Hew nuichkwVer the Narrative was calledior, yet , it ought to have come' through, the Secretary of State. or tlte. omm uder its Chief of the, Army: - • He Understood that SOme doubt ex isted whether the Noble Lord had nor the right. of claiming the tirisii . lege- of addressing. 14,is 'Majesty • - in person, inconsequence ofhii commission being an--, der the 'sign Manual. Ceitainly no doubt Byer ex 7, isted that every 'Minister has a right, in conseqUence of the sign to address his:Mak:sir:in per son but. there was a distinet article in his insulle-. lions, to carry on his correspond , 4nce thiongh the medium of the Secretary - of State ; :or soine other interfering authority. Now he begged ,to ask,- what was there in the sign: Manual' of Lord Chathani,to authorise him to;take the step. he had•tione ).• • •Sup-. posing him to have been in the situation o'f - a Foreign Minister, he could have been entitled to no - other advantage than the sigo• Manual of such tui It was impossible, however, to ascettairt what passed between his Majesty .and the Nob:e Person.. Adverting - to the Narrati ve already betorOthe.lionse,, he could not help sbeing a little surprised at 'the', manner in which that was male an official paper; all tkm.formality in that respect- was by 11:Inding it . from his Majesty to the Secretary of •State.. did not mean-to say it waS wrong,-nor would he find: fault:with i t . .All efte•couid : say would be, that the' papers Vl' hich the House wanted now might be made: official, by the advice -of the person who made the former communication official. This brought lkitn to that part of the subject under consideration tb.„ most impOrtant„ viz. the-existence of • aoy such paper Nothing had fallen from any of the Hon. Pentremen On the Trea - sury side of the House which could- induce him to a belief that ther e . was a'ny such paper certainly, for himself, he had strong doubts upOn the stibje4t . ; he thonght it how-. ever of the utmost importance, for the satisfaetion of the House, thata-definite answer of nit should be given to the proposition. The great objea he con ceived to be gained- by the motion_was 'to put this Matter out of all - 'doubt. If Ministers were certain that no such papers existed; - why did they not say' so ? The prevailing sentiment of the House was-,• that they were in existencii; but he believed really in his own conscience, that such construdion grossly exaggeratcl. With respect - to the Narra tive already on the table, he had purposely - abstained" . from entering into a cOnclemnin4m of 'its conten t s, • or of .the intbeoce some of its insinuations might . , have upon the charaaer - of an Honourable Officer, preserving still. that line•of 6ondutt, he should now-' conclude by expressing his, approbation oft he motion,: ealculated as it was to produce a definite and explicit, answer. . • • • •• 'The SOLI c;rroa-G6ria . m..• Was thoroughly con vitrced that the Address could not consistently be. adopted with the establishedpiinciples on wirier, the. House bad 'governed its proceedings ; nothing be More defective in the necessary rennisiroi' to . command. the att-ention :Of the House Jhan this mo tion. 'ln the first place, it was . not known that the, -paper requireit had any existence, and conerpg,tidy the House , was proceeding without any sort of foon 7 dation upon which it could consistently' act. He .must disagree.with the opinion of .the AighT Hon. Gentleman Who spoke last,. that the preea:nt esta bliShtd by the-manner in. which the paper already beforethe House was made otficial ,, could govern or was analagoui to the present case ; in the former' their Address. to his . Majesty specifically called for the production Of a, particular taper now ! in the latter there win no.ground whatever for supposing that the paper hid any •eicistence. After ably canvassing the arguments of the Right Hon: Gentleman, he concluded with opposing the motion. . Mr. WHITBREAD, Seeing no other Hon. Member offering tospeak, rose tomake a few observations on what had been urged against his Motion in the course of the debite, and which he thought unnew•ssary to wake itany lengt b, frOin the disposition Which seem ed to prevail in the House.: It was with. the utgooSt pleaSUre that he had heard the manly constitutional sentlinents expressed by a Right Hon. Gentleman On. 'the - floor (Mr:Canning), whose epport he was happy - to receive fot the first tithe in, that House. The Right fion.Getit.'had not beet; cheered on the presvnt occa- THE i AQUIRY. MINUTES OF ~VIpENCE;. NINTH DAY, Eis, 26. Examlnattan of Lienten,cmt r Veneral the. Marquis. of 1-ItiNTLEY and iiiijiw-General Sir WILLIAM Ell.l - {t„.l l / 4 /E, 13,1rptiet. • The Afinjuis of Huntley delivered- in his insiruo- LordChailLun to tiiki!poi•iession of she,• established•by the enemy -on the island of Crisana. - fielvattnderstood that 2000 . miti:coul4 be' iantle'd thereat "one time, but -fromthe .giant if sufficient: bt'mfi. a diseenb.)iiwtii,n' to that "36101:tot' could n.ot be cffet,led; and he did opt ctiriCeivc safe or prudent to land a span a detathment as Goo.nie,n. 111 consequence of •not landing at' C- his Lordship.made a Report to Lord Chatham, .Siipt.rosing he had possessed Cadsand wit his vision, and ii 'superior . force had - forted a Passage into that inland, he- did not think there •. were any pO , itic.n, w;lich could hate Covered the, , 'His Lordship received no torther insriiiioris than rliose spe ;ling 'taitrg. - up`a _ •"- /30 , iition in Cadsand. Sir Ay -ERSKIN't spoke. of the state of Ant.; .werp in 179-.1. ciNdei was capable of sustain- • nag a - siege,:dard• the town might haye been Out in a perfeet.stal - krto stand.'a siege . .eith a sui - pcient num-. halaS' employed in "tir.s. courst! Of a week. All the r,vorks blitte44ince thai periad b'ea en unit - in per fe&-state ,:repair.,-- Tripscitadel-- . commanded 'OPe anc.. whole-arsenal; • ()fit:kr!' line• With thek gu n s I stores out; nn ;lie go Delidernionde.,• 20 mil, above Antwerp ; and will . ) their guns and - st ores to . within about a Lillie ol:ll.uplemopde, neatly 5 miles abOyeAntwerp. Lillo have been Maintain', : ed by., the esienlY agaiti.a our-troepifor•2s days, an•t• • the whole couetry‘ rutrid Liefkenshoeik might have been inundated, He • had• received - seve ral ' - 'communications fram quiarters on Nvitich he ,could. ,depend, with resped to the 3CCOlillt of tie enemy's force: - - What was the substance of the first 'coriirrianica- Jion?—The first COmmilnicatio% I receiyed vvas-frain . a most reauedtable . quaile.r in which I placed Olen - confidence ; it st,vcd, as nearly ,as • I can re- - collect, as followse • the enemy's Erce 'on or abb,..yr the sth ust ; at that period- thi:.7e" Were six battalions Of Dutch.in • Bergeo-op •Zooni, namely * . four• of infantry of the line, and twr) , 9t. guards - and five cornpanies :of artillery ; therewas- a bat talion of Dutch heavy infann - y at Tolen there were 'at Antwerp three bettalion . s•,. one .of v. as French , ianten'cd . .bet streets, Ant netp . and •B,- rgeri-0p.;',4 9 016, at Cappe4- two hattalf G ns of French ißfalitryi`of the_ li3e,:and, or,e. 'Neattalion Dutch light infantry, together with ten seti'drons ot, cavalry, namely, six squadroris of Dutch, full , Of Which .ere two .cuirassier., two s er ia, dims-, of French. cuiraisiers, and . t wo' ditto •of (Ira godni ; besic-s that forge there were in .Ant.kerp about.tourl - libusand fire hundred. men,., the work men in the dock-Yard end ar;enals ; tho,,e men were: fer,,nred•,into regular .battalions, and bad r:'-gulag' officers placed oVer : tlimm, - and. , had been thsciplined • for bet wen two and three years. The Crews of the fleet at that period . amounted to about elevt:n thousand men, 'lin:trading the ; in ‘ . vacti ship of war tliere were between, 41rree and four . hundred. troops of tire reg,niar soldiers there was Le-'.. sides that force; some force in "the places of, Dutch Hander:, but I do not know the exit& extant ofit. .• Was there anf-iti:Lillo, Lielkenshoeik-or Cad-• sand, at that period I—Lino and Lie'f kerish9elk were garrisoned itoM the fleet - Lillo had a ,garrison of about -oho thousand men, and I.4lfkchsitdeik, five hundred; vjith• respedt to Cadsand, I have' already do not know particularly the force in Dutch Flanders. •.• - • • .'. .• • . . Was the'whole of this form in the.Se stations on • the fifth of sixth of August ?—Not having my p.f-. pony or merr.oranda with me, I C3OllOl posnively. say Whether,lt,was the sth Of sixth., .• •-•- State whether previoes tothe Sailing of the Ex , . peditkin . ,yon were consulted by any. of his• 1'v14., jesty's Ministers . as to the state or'defeoce and for- . • tifications of Antwerp ?—I never-was• consulted by any of his . MajeSty'sMitirster upon that - subject. Of ti)6"foico...\;ioltCtryon state • you were . info'rir the enemy posseSsedabout the sth or Gar of August in the neighbourhood of Antwerp, .how- much do Sou suppoge would. have .been thrown. into Ant vterp in the course of two or three: days ?—Of the: force have 'snted, that at Cappel-mig,hthaVe been thrown into Antwerp -.in a few hours ; that its Bergen-op-Zoom, if theienerny chose to send _it to Autwerp,,aiglit have been sent in one day, or two days, -at the utmost. . Styppiosing the enemy with i 5,000 men within tilt!. works of Aotwtrp, and a 'British force besieg , • 0f.•39,0,Q0i-rtnen - before that .town, what would , have. beep the rate Yef -OUr army; iii;;; ,supposingark eXterior army. to attack our besieging army . ; do . you ,suppose-they would hare any probabtlityof success ? I believe that aO,OOO men might have tolte'n the town of ~Antwerp" ;it they- had not been at all dii turbed with Out; and'you‘ hid given th em p l enty of „ , time to do it in. _ • • What tithe do k it would t equire to - take it with 30,000 then, nild 15,000 men to garrison it .? I think-that the stores and every thiog necessary for the siege ofAntwerp sogarrisoned, could not possi bly lit.we been brought . up 'under. twenty.:one e n , r l t i l l e ii i! ) ;t eti lte , 7 ri vi tli a 4 s t a t g h r: i a bt t awt q leo u r6 a ile t o l s ti t bs y he - 04 . o tiw f lde l f i l o oty r p s .e e oi s lil i ei t n id: thly e ie d s, first parallel ; t o the .oi.ening of tho hatteries in ate first parallel that iS. the shortest' tithe I think possible.. I think that to attack a Sown-so garrisoned, it would be ne cessary afterta:ards to proceed by a regalar siege by• theoiierations Of a second - and third parellel, to have , • breached the I:lace and filled the ditch . b,lfore- the , assault could be . given; all which operations opuid not fake np under twenty days at the leist, the lowest calculation lean put - it at'. After the 25th of'August, at 'that late .period, what. probability wai there, in yotir faiiiiio,i, <,t success in any. operation against-Lillo anj shoed: ?—I cor!ceive,that if any operatirai t had rreuri atteMpted against bill.n , and - Lef.Lensll9eik; it would have been at s• the utmost r;sk tdr the safety °lune , whole army, Allowing for the.poitsibilityorthose two forts be;• ing,captured at that late season, would it hpe in sured the'capwre, of the own . and citadel of Ant , ' Werp ? By no rneans, .I deem that any attack u l na Antwerp, after the 25th of August„ would have been utterly impracticable by tine BritiSh force then: • 'there. . , • LOrd Gardner, in his evidenceon . the 15th, stated, he never was ordered to join Commodore Owen. With respeat to the boats, he supposed the, whole t.i _ the boats in the squadron hecOmmanded might have corned from 4 to'sou. men. • Hate the goodness to _state to , the Committee 'yon: Lordship's vpiuion, whethq it wotdd have beet posiible; considering the state of, theiirlud and weeher, to ,stationed troops, or tiny par,t.of the♦fiotiilz,that not other wise ernplbyed,, sui:h • .a . way, between .Cadsand and•Flushirig, previously to' the 4th of Augtsm, as to have prevented rriai— forct:'Mentt being thtown frocn Ca !s- . ia s i° of Hon' iast ITe pe!' ig,P for iis.~"" ;;)Ot 3 . woul t a tion s ► ~~a ~~. so.pP O ' Cite la" faidstil eir owa • is .I V I - 3 , - )y, slot) by (Nose sitting on the Ministerial benches,as had hitherto-been the cese, he had nethingto regret, fo r his sound argume n tS and el - IC-1 - 01c language, 1,, d cornmand,edthe applause.Or alhhose who at on Ihe opp#,site side, and he was cor,fident rra, spe.,cl) he er made deserved more Approllition,aed Ile thcm,..ht the Praetice ot - the 'Right ;lon, Gen t eati would tfound,consislent with the doefrinerflie had proft'ssed. He was :astonished toihear'an (36titleman say. drat. Lord Chatham had deli-Veied his Narrative to his Majesty, in . cmsequei)ce of ri - --plabiic di;Patchltrorn Sir.Richard,Srrachan. 'Stich could not be the faCt,.. as his dispatch was dated in•Augesi, and Lotd chat, ham did not present his Narrativct 'Feb. But:if that were the ca-e, , ewhal shoold the Hbuse thitileOf the - conductof illy Lord Gotham .in o dung ? Instead ,• of - transmitting 'hi* dispatches to the S , :•)Vereign • through- the regular and constitutional clont•el., as he proceeded with hi .operation,, the .House were to . ,suppose that he wait e d till h e vitiat had been sent by the Offictsz -who-cooperated With, hitn, and finding that net favourable, to himself, sUppressed his resentment fora time, 'arid then, at his own op •portueit'y, vented his vengeance on his l.eltkok Oth cer; in a•mkinner that was likely never to be made public, as he had not thought proper to make any , communication Of it even to his 61,vii So-little notice . did his Lordship 'take of" his Col-- .; letues, that he could not recollect - What 11e:fibers of the whole herd - of . Ministers , :Wore present when' . he entered the closet. It ,vas said that Lord grave had'irt the dead el the night; art beng apprized that such,a, Natrative had been presentil,•wrote to- Sir Richard Str.ichan to send. a Narrative also—but• the House oeglit not to-suppose that both Officers .t•al justice- done them ; that lie tvould ille'strate . by .ailec,lote • that was related of Nit) ignO , ant laWyers who were sittirig. .in a, coffee hour e, and oneasked the other whether there was,' any dilierene.e 'betwixt the words. also 'and like- , wise, when a Geutleuiarr who overheari t i, the ..elaes tion, replied," Ycs, there is.; forinstance, Mr.: Due-. ning is a lawyer, and you area lawyer also, h'it not a Idwyerlikewise." And Lord Chatham might give in his Narratiye ; Sir Richiird Stractr.ll might give in his :also, but not likewise. Tne latter had not the same access to the Sovereign. Ministers 'were ex tremely injudicioas . in the opposition whichthey tram ' to his motion, fer;who.kne%V. but Lord,Chatham'had poisoned the royal var_against. themselves ? they examined his Majesty's , scrutoire they •ini - ght find a .. ,pieCe of paper,.- whith perhapt. - Would Make the - Chancell9r Of the Excheciuer arid .his colleakio exa' claim with Sir Peter Teazle and Joseph Surfaceie the Scliool for. •S - canilal-.` Lord Chatham, by all that's wonderful !" and on - disco--ering another prit , ate Com- - nannication,h LordChatham,•by alit!) it'sdirtnnable!' It might' not be impossible but. Lord Chatham had not only thrown blame on Sir:Rich. Strac- ad, hilt on the ,Ministry;-and assigned such TeasonS as might be important tor-the House to know. It was well known • that a • wily Ki ig, who lived at the end of the 17th century; heard the mutual. accusatiOns of Ors Mini sters, and thereby 'kept there incomplete subjeetioo, to the,great jnjuryof the people. Such a practice w as not expected in the present King's reign ; but who, could say, what a future Moiiarch might . ‘lO, . if ifieans-wer=e net taken to prevent it ? At present the .Country, suffered severely through the incapa city. of . those. w Ito ruled them, and he thonaht any . additional 'pressure would crush them.„ : f-fe' herd heard a• great dear of Cabinet dinners lately, which induced, hirn'to say,•,that •if Ministeri meant tq par take of Cabinet supper,, aftru . the cliscussiim, which they had hcard,, he wished them ell tile : , appetite, • they *could command. : • • , Strangers were- then exeluded, and the House divided Ull Mr. - Whithreacrs 'rnUtion— • Ayes ..... , 7s • • • • Noes - - - 171 - . ,'Majority On Our re-admission into the Gallery, the ,Order, ,of the Day for' going'lnt6 a Conithitte of Supply to Votethe Army 12. st itnates lvas-moved. A conversation then ensued as to the propriety of an adjournint'rnt, - when ;he orderr-of the clay moved, -fur the Hou,e, going into Committee of Supply, _ , • Sir THOMAS TURTON:said, that if .it was Meant to vote the Army• Estimates in the Committee ~of Supply, he shOuld certainy oppose it, as he would not trust the ..present AdMirlistratjork,.wlth one . farthing of the public 'moneyffOr: maintaining the army, after the imprOvident Use, they. had made of what l'ad,hcieu - voted last year to scipport '132,000 men, which number, in three . rtiontils, were reduced' to 16,000 men. . • • General GASCOYNE wished the Army Estimates ,to be postpened, as he .should feel it his duty to Speak at sortie length- upon thetne-and other Gentle-, • men would likely do' the satne.' The Cita igcEi..t.ort of the EXCIJEQUER said, that to withhold any army floret the Ministers was not a proper wily to retklove them and serve the country: The propel- way to remove them; was to make a mo•- • lion in the HouSe for- their removal, when they shonlil•not be afraid to meet hiin. e,lonel WARELe expreskd. a wish that the Army Estimates shonli be postponed to a futute evening, when an itn-;;oriant ..' , .)curnent., for which he bad moved, - sliould be !ilia ins,:fore , thetn ; he Meant a return .o 1 alt the Staff? Office:ts .employed iii the United . Kingdom. When th•lt return should he, made,- he expected' to prove that gross corruption prevailed. in that' department of the service. tindet. it very large sums of money were paid to Foreigners who had beb brought over to this 'Country. It WAS at length agreed that tee Army 'EStimateS shouldbe iiroposed on. Monday next, and the consi deration of the Message respecting the. Portuguese troops postponed till Friday next.—Adjourned at Half past •