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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. 1-10 USE, pr PEERS WEDNESDAY, APRIL 13. The-Bishop of Lrtsootar took the oaths and his inst. In the Roxburgh Appeal, Ker.:). Jones, MriClerk Was again heard for the Appellant.—Further hearing on -t be first cause day after the Recess. .. Some Private Bills were brought from the Corn 'MOW by Lord Newark, Mr. Pyru, Mr. Graham, end other Members, and read a first time. The Irish Duties Bill was read a third time and passed. The Irish Wool Bill was read a second time, and committed for to-morrow. DANISH VESSEI.S. 'Lord Viscount StnmouTn again adverted to the Orders made by the House on his Motion for the PiodPelion of Papers 'respeaing the 'Danish Vessels detained previous to hostilities, • to which no Return had yet been made : he therefore moved, that the Iteturne be made forthwith.—Ordere.l. Adjourned till to.morrow (this day). HOUSE OF COMMONS. WEDNESDAY ' Arita 13. Earl Panay, Chairman of the Committee on the Wextbrd Eleetion, reported that the Committee had appointed Commissioners to take evidence in Ire laud, and obtained leave for the said Committee to adjourn till the Speaker should, by his warrant, di red them to re-assemble, Sir C. POLE presented a Petition from the Artificers -of Plymouth Dock, praying relief under the pres sure of the times. Colonel STANLEY obtained leave to bring in a Bill to amend the Laws relating.to Settlements, for bet ter regulating the Settlement of Ww.ird Children, and removing Scotch and Irish Poor. Mr. LOCKHART suggested the propriety of includ ing a regulation, with respeta to the obtaining a set tlement by hiring. Sir ROBERT SALUSBURY, Chairman dale Down patrick Eletßion Committee, reported that- the said Committee was desirous, with the_ consent - of the parties, to adjourn at its rising to-morrow, to the :Itith hist. having already Silt 34 days. Ordered accordingly. . Mr. ROBERT THORNTON moved the Order of the Day for the second ... reading bf the tilt for - Building a Bridge over the Thames at Vauxhall. Mr.' Alderman COMBS adverted to the Petition presented against this Bill by the Corporati o n o f Lon don, on the ground that it would obstruct the uavi gation of the Thames. The Corporation finding that no such obstru6.tion• was likely to 6e created by the Bridge, abandoned its opposition to the The Bill was bead a second time, and committed to a &led Committee. I)IS"CILLATION FROM SUGAR. Lord BINNING, Chairman of the Committee ap pointed to consider the propriety of contining;for a time to be limited, thel)istillerics to the use of Su gar and Molasses in the i . Mantithaure of Spirits, brought up the Report of that Committee. Sir H. Mit.D . Any thdught it right to apprize the House, that the part of the neport which went to prohibit the use of grain in distillation, though sanc tioned by the opinions of the majority of the Com mittee, shad by no means its unanimous approbation. It any legislative measure should be proposed on the BepOrt, tending to carry that princii,le into efred, he • gate notice that lie should feel it his duty to oppose it. There was no sufficient public ground tOr such a measure, and it would be extremwiy injurious to the Barley Counties, one of which he had the ho nour to represent, He was confident that his ca stitueuts would give him instructions to oppose the proposition, and that they would Petition against the, tueasure. Mr.Ciatrra agreed with the Hon, ban. The limited interest was sutticietitly depressei, and the influenc‘ of Members whose consequeane arose from trade was already sufficiently great; without strikiug a general blow at an (extensive branch of the Agriculture at the Country. He should give his determined opposition to the measure. Mr. WUSTZRU spoke to the same effect. Admiral HERVEY, a 4 a Member of a Barley County (Essex), found it impossible to allow the measure to be announced', without announcing at the same time his determined opposition. He could not hvlj• ascribing the design to party -motives a =moor had reached his ears, that the Members for Norfolk, Statiiilk, and Essex, were excluded from the Counalittee its its formation, beciuse they were Parley Codnties. ,11.1BBEdi7' would not sutfer misconceptions, sucli as those expressed by the Hon. Member who bad spokeu before him, to go abroad, and operate imcontradicted during the recess. Though he was ':4merchant, he felt the importance of agriculture as , as any in3 o 4 and.. know that thu principal of the country was upon it. It would he found, w hen the Report should come to be examined, that the Committee had looked not only to the in terests of the West !tidies, but also more particularly to those of the Country at home, taking into cello aeration the present state of its foreign relations, which probably would occasion a total stoppage trir a considerable time of the usual supplies of grain front abroad. Under these circumstances, the Com. tnittee had thought jt wise to re.cornMend the. SUS; pl . :Mimi, for a, time, of the use of grain in distilla tion, and not, as was supposed by some, a perma nent substitution of sugar and molasses. On a ge ' neral view cif the state of the Cduntry„and of the: C o ntinent, it appeared wise to adopt this measure, es a timely precaution against a sciireity. It was a satistaetion, that in adopting this measure of pre caution, an important article of. British produce and property may be brought in to supply the other da iiiancis of public, and that a mkt . could be thus afforded to a deserving class of the community, and new vigour imparted to a principal branch of the revenue. He did not think the proposed measure would cause a fall of 6d. a quarter on barley ; if he did, he would not vote for 0. Hut if such a fall should unexpectedly be the consequence, the Report contained a recommendation to the Privy Council .to take trieisures immediately to return to the Use of grain. Such was the nature ut the Repast which had excited so much alarm, and which 1)0 met with so unusual opposition, before its nature was communicated or understood. LordIiZVIVING thought the discussionprema tut* till the Report should be printed, and in the hands pf Members a sufficient time for constdetation. He did not conceive that the Right Hon. Gentleman, on whose motion the Committee was formed, had pass ed over the Members . for Norfolk, Suffolk, and Essex, because these were corn counties. lie him self had voted in favour of the recommendation to prohibit the-use of corn in distillation, but he by no means would have done so if he could have thought the prohibition likely to prove injutious to the laud ed interest. Mr. LUSIII24GrON thought it must be a most extravagant degree of alarm that could suggest to one Member that the barley fields would lie uncul tivated, and to another that the representation of the people, and the composition of the House of Com mous, would be deteriorated by affording the relief Which West India produce required, which could be al brded without injury, and to which persons interested in the West India Colonies were well entitled. The Committee bad been formed as fair ly as possible, by including a just proportion of every interest concerned. He hoped the landed interest would take up this matter fitirly and dis pasSionately. The Country Gentlemen must reed but little if they did nut see that the depression of the 'West Inetia trade would infallibly aggravate their own burthens. - Mr. BRAN!) allowed that the West India trade was entitled to relief, and would be ready to support any relict given at the general expellee of the Coen try. What he complained of was 3 relief proposed to be given by the injury and oppression of the Barley counties. A Committee was not to be ap pointed to revise and bring into question the Intitia mental principles of public economy, so decidedly laid down by Hirne, Stuart, and Smith, in this Country, and by Turgot and Condorcet, in France. The uncertain wealth Of speculation should not be supported by the sacrifice ofTertain'benefits of agri culture. He should look to the Report narrowly, and oppose it in every stage, if, as he feared, it con tained s recommendation to prohibit the distillation of corn. The CHA NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the Committee had by no means been appoint ed in Opposition to the established principles alluded to by the Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down, or with a view to consult the interests of the Cole- Dies . at the expellee of those of the Mother Country. The circumstances which called for the investiga tion of the; 'Committee were of a temporary na ture; so was th e reli e f - proposed* in the Repnrt. These cialmistances applied to the. Mimher Coun try as well as the Colonies, and so did the relict, and so far .W2B it from being intended to do any permanent injury to agriculture, that not even a mo mentary depression of the price of grain was tra take-place without a power to put em end to the pro posed restridlion. He would expresss no, cOinion' as to the propriety of carrying the ; recommendation coo tained in the Report into etfeet. He had timed no opinion ; he had avoided forming any till he should Dave; the whole' subject end evidence bet Ore him in the Report. The Committee; had been appointed to consider the depressed state of the West India pro duce, and what relief could be afibrded by introduc ieg the use of sugar into the distilleries, or by any other means. The Committee had taken into Con sideration the state of our foreign trade, attd of the Contitient, and the probability of'our being for some time deprived 0,t 7 our usual supplies of • grain, from abroad. And upon the general consideration of the state of the country and of the West Indies the Re port had been framed. These were matters which it•was no absurdity to refer to a ComMittee, nor to receive a Report upon them. As to the formation of a Committee, it was Made up of cttuntry Gentle men, general merchants, and persons connected with the West Indies. So far was the ruinour•from being founded, which stated that the Members for three particular counties had been purposely passed over, that it was his intention to have natried a Met:n• ber for one of these counties, Norfolk, if he had noticed him in attendance previous to the appoint ment of the Committee. Of four Members added to the Committee subsequent to its formation, one only was a Met chant distinguished for his intormae and the other three, - Gentlemen of the landed interest, of whom one, the Hunourable Baronet be hind hint (Sir H. Mildmay) had taken a very aaive part in the Committee. At the same time that he peotessed and telt so great a rep+ ti fur the interests of agriculture, he thought that it by bringing an ad ditioteel article of food into the Market a former arti cle should sustain some falling off, there would yet be no reason to complain, any more than if three or 400,1)00 acres of waste hum Were brought into cul tivatiun, the general price of provisions should be reduced. He hoped, that after the Report should be printed, and a reasonable titre; under comidgra, lion, the sense of the House would be taken upon it, in order that the suspense that now existed aheul4 OrQuglit to an end. .111 i: ELLIS condemned the . opposition ,o,4ewn to the Rep9rt - as premature the object of the Report could yet be scarcely kt n and certainly the rea 800$ on which that object Was founded, and the regulations and r es t r iCti ons b y w hi c h the prOposed measure was to be accompanied, were not. He etas satisfied, that no Member of the Oonunittee would have voted for the Report, if there could have, been the slightest idea that the-measure proposed . would be injurious to agriculture. The Committee was fairly formed of persons selected from every imerest, and framed its Report from the best view. of the general situation and eircumstaneei of the, county. Alotiral HERVEY declared himself satisfied, after the explanation of the Chancellor of the Ex chequer, that the rumour of the Members for,the Corn Counties having been. excluded from improper motives was without foundation. Mr. WINDHAM knew nothing of the Report but its substance, and would reserve a perfed free dom of opinion till he had partieulatirexamined it. Ie thoUght it right, however, to observe, that the illustration adduced by the Right Hon. Gentleman oppoitte did 'not apply. , Bringing an additional quomitY of land into cultivation only increased the supply of the article, and extended the competition in the.market : but in this case there was a prohibi tion of one article, and an exclusion of one pet of dealers, Sir JOHN S/NCLI/R stated, that the agricul tural part of the community througkont the .Empire h kit the greatest alarm since the Cotwnittee ha.! beet) formed. re was therefore essential that the %Tort should be printed as speedily as possible, and that it shntlld be circulated through the country, and full time given for the consideration of it Own the sentiments of the farmers and land-owners may be ccnveyed to Pailiatnent r —the case would be de cided on an attentive view of the whole of the me-' rits, and the landed interest would receive that pro tetlion to which it was entitled. Mr. MAN.IVING said the attention of the Com mittee was always directed to the interests of the . Country, as well as to those of the West India trade; Ho should have felt himself unwortby of the trust reposed in him as a Member of the Committee, if he had acted on any other principle. The measure recommended was - but of a temporary nature, to be in force for twelve months from the Ist of July next ; and if the restriction should at any time be found injurious to the price of corn, it may be re moved without delay. But if the restriction upon the Exportation of Corn from the Port of London to the Colonies should be taken off, the landed in terest would gain more by opening that trade than it could by any possibility suffer from the limitation. He thought it right to state this now, to correa as far as possible the misconception and alarm that had gone abroad.. Such explanation was the more es sential,' as, from the voluminous nature of the Re-, port, it was 'a long time before it could be printed. and circulated in such a manner as to do itself that justice. As a. proof of the. impartiality that regu lated the formation of the Committee, he stated, that he did not know his name was on the list till he heard it pronounced from the Chair. Most of the Merchants on the Committee were wholly con tieded with the West Indies. • . • Mr. .111scLum stated, that the ,greatett alarm prevails lin the County he represented (Ross) and the adjoining County of Sutherland, at tbe idea of the measure recommended in this respeot He was sure there would be Meetings and Petitions to Par liament on the subject. Lord 'BINNING . gave notice, that unless some other person should offer'a Motion to the House on the Report, he should do so in proper time. Mr. FosTER brought up the Irish •Drawback Suspension. Bill which was read a first time, and ordered to be read a iecond time on Wednesday . se'nnight. Lord CthLER rAGH brought in a B:11 for the Con stitution of a Permanent Local Militia for theln ternal Defence of the RealM ; which was read a first time, and. ordered to be read a second time. on Friday the 29th in s ta n t , and to be printed. Tice CHANCELLOR of the Exenttcunia brought in a till to encourage the Residence of Stipendiary Cu rates. Mr. TAYLOR ,expressed his satisfaaion at this Bill. The Ads for entbrcing the Residence of the Clergy were nugatory ; from the facility of obtaining licences on certificates of sickness, He knew. one Clergy Man who/had two Very valuable livings, and did not reside on either, because the air of the 'tine disagreed with himsclt, and that of the other with . his mite.- After a short conVersation, m' which the Chancellor of the Exchequer exprisa.fd his hope of the Hon. Gentleman's attendance and support against the opposition likely to be made to this Bill, and Mr. Taylor promised his support in every:ittago of ho PH, i t was passed through she various stages up to the Report, / which is to be. received to-mor row, and to 'be taken into further consider ation' •to-torrow fortnight. The Bill . is to be printed. A MeSsade fi'oni the Lords notified .their Lord- ships' assent to the Irish Duties Bill, and several private Bills: Mr. BANKES gave notice, that, after the holidays, he gliould again bring before the House the ques tion of the propriety of taking Foreign Property in the Funds. FINANCE. Mr, Rtnnut.Pit 'having maintained, on a former night, that the interest and sinking fund for the. sum wanted for the service of the year may be, found without 'imposing any taxes on the Subjea; tad: to propose certain Resolutions with. a view to that objet, which lie hoped the House would allow .to be laid on the table, and to be Printed, in . order to their being taken into c o ns id era ti on on a future day. On the suggestion of the CHANCELLOR of the Exciimiumt, it was agreed, that the Resolutions should be read, and the Debates arising on thepi aci journed to Friday fortnight. Several Resolutions relating to the - amount of Supplies voted, the surplus of the Consolidated Fund, were read and disposed of accordingly, but on a, Re : . solution proposing the sale of some parts of the hereditary revenue from the Crown, The SPHAIOtIt stated that it was contrary to pre cedent that the House should interfere with th e hereditary revenue of the Crown, without the au thority of a special .communication frOm. his- Ma jesty,i, _ _ The CUANCULLOR of the. EXCREQUItit said his Maiesty„had not been. consulted. Mr. r illonnr.rn proposed to reconcile this propo sition to the tbrnis of the House, by making it . a subjea of recoinmendation, aria some other, was, BO as to have it brought under th e cons id erat i on of the House. _ Mr, LaTunatnda hoped the Hon. Gentleman would withdraw. his. moron. It was quite impro per to. think of interfering with the hereditary re venue, without.his Majesty's permission, intimated either by a special 'message or by his confidential advisers, . Mr. Iliont/Lrit refused to withdraw his motion, and thought the difficulties of form ought to be - ac conunodated rather than Made a bar to the consider ation of a proposition, the objea, Of which was to save the • subject from any additional burthens lhis year. As certain property, such as warehouses end legal quays, had been purchased by money from the Consolidated Fund, and vested in his Majesty, so he thought parts of the other pro perty of the C rown may be granted for the ,ser vice. of the public. He did not mean to touch any property essential to the dignity, splendour, or com fort of the Crown. The property he alluded to con sisted chiefly of detached houses and small pieces of land in Piccadilly, aod other parts of the town, 63 the sale of which he could not see any good grouad of opposition. He would give a Schedule of this . property in due time. It consisted first of property attended with constant loss; secondly, of trifling, rents, which had constantly declined in. value froth ,the time of Philip and Mary, when they were worth h time,fira t g h t o o u . n n d t h o e n y e w h e r n e n d w red ort p h ou on n( l l;, i t s o oo th i. e ,a p n r d es s et ti and thirdly, of detached Houses, suclea u h c efo tri b: rll: r ib: e inie a d, lld il u e)eit e ll%) d emr t s o. tsoutri . e l le 'l l i di i i s s p ecies isgmilitayleso of` tryic prope r ty noteurledstiloa w fretnh a difficulty to make it matter of arrangement to allevi ate the hurt hens of his people.. The SPEAKER repeated the impediment in pin of form. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUE I expressed his reagrness to abandon the Bills he hal introduced to provide the Interest and Sinking Fun for the Sums wanted for the Public Service, tf th Hon. Gentleman could devise means of answeriul these claims without new taxes. He would b grateful, even for any suggestion that could tend tt diminish the taxes lie had felt himself called upon tt propose; but he did not see how what the Honour. able Gentleman proposed, so tar as he understood it, applied to the service-of the present year. It win true that some unproductive parts of the hereditate revennelad already been sold ; but it was by the ad• vice of the Crown, and in eoneequence of recom. mendations founded Upon proper inquiries and in vestigation. It was true that legal quays and ware. houses had been purChased- by the Public and rest. ed in the crown; and that large sums had been paid for them to the amount of 3or 400,0001. But though the public may have thought it right to.pur. chase at a high price in public accommodation, the good will of individua ls who bad a vested right oa these posiesions, it did not follow the proper ty was of that value, or that it. weitild produce neAt so much on a resale. With resped to the parts of the hbrectitary revenue, which the Hon. Gehtle"" wished to make 'sebjea to Parliamentary die r 'l 7 ° s3 ' ,, it was now matter of consideration witlethe Survey' ors and Commissioners under the direction of the Crown, bow to, dispose of the unprefitahle part Of this revenue, and to vest the. produce iti profitable property. It was however a step that ought not to be taken without mature consideration. Though tliere was an impediment of term, which preeloded the House from entertaining the Resolution, the Non. Gentleman may rest assured that his suggese . mon .would not be left unattended to. Mr. BIDDULPII replied, he was Very W illing tO would endeavour to procure for the objedt of it the recommendation of the Crown. On the suggestion of the Sees&alts the last Rae :solution was withdrawn, aqd the consider a t ion of 'the other Resolutions was postponed to the 25th a April. Von.. G withdraw the Resolution, if the entleman tail O in it s the motion of Mr. Lustiteoeote , a variety cif' Papers. were ordered to be laid before the H ouse, dew tile tran it s e fe v r el o m f u t o h f e tti C e ar e n ter Mr. at=tony Company, the Debt to the Company of the Nabob of the Gametic, arc, a at r i t c i t t i o c, before the Eas East n i t a l i a s Gr.unpoundthe P e nt i l t bi o vr iet ib e t _ h p at i t s,4l e:stet t ' e ccr osi d tleternelibiclili!f i O DD n Y the wit h drew his (.) A long discussion ensued, and ultimately WA G f l‘ tn i t'O otion 3 . T E the Counnittee of Supply, respedting th t e he t V B=l were taken into further consideration. The -Itesolutioni; were . agreed to, _until that ." 1 : speding Protestant Charter Schools. On the Porc in e 'of that Resolution, Mr. PARNELL, rose, and repeated his obeervationl on the Catechism that was used in those schools, whichlic read, and which h e contended inctilcatea to the children in those schools doctrines wholly inculca te d famded, and which were calculated to keep rive the religious dissentioni in Ireland. losuppu,r, of this statement he read the declaration of the feae, C tli a o t l e ic c s h , im in u lv ed hic in h tthletepprootiensttsanittisscishtt tliia)usn in tuts ' elaineed by them. a all religious mini° Vocally professed by the Catholics were utteurinercgdu; Sir ARTHUR IPELLESLEY declared that n o man could wish more sincerely tOr the extioeil(gbutE at the same 61110 be could not but expreAS his should prise and regret that the H. Gentleman stiol when the House was in that certainly , was have thought it necessary to introduce the sublet s z t w ie t s s i n pro at p olr Ir e l an d tni ttit ittle : te n o h oe e nf ' point discussion upon such u quesion. This very had . already engaged the attention of the P° 3 : e " o „, t lidncation in Ireland, who, of course, woul d T on r r such measures as were proper. He w" s p ro m. self acquainted with the Catechism used in_tnits3.,_loo2 .stant Charter Schools ; but when the Hon. cii! . Li n v one was so eager to find out obje6lionable poi oL !. we ll if side of the question, it would have beet' " . ' d when he had adverted a little to the other side-'4l pro- Ice complained of the Catechism used hill the , Hood testant Charter Schools, to have told p a l i) e's that in• several Roman Catholic Schools,,. : Rights of Man," and other books, eent's' nii &thee counts of the supposed oppressions which t'' h ' e ' ere rea d lies had sustained from the Protestants, ,w e thew)!to msttad of the Bible. This surely was-au • nd to reii.. make them good subjects, or to put an e gious animosities. Mr. GRATTAN' read a -number of qe-s answers front the Catechism to prove its misc." - tendency. fullest Mr. W. teetorr e while he admitted in t he ere extent the pernicious nature of ..the Can:4;01)1.31f; thought- that this was not the precise mome .agitating the question. "e ti rev' ll o ntj ul Sir J. NEWPORT on the contrail was Or oPi l ' i°P i that this was the 'precise time for such a DotiCc the sut~je 1. oin Cal. 11eita'r a llowed that the. Catechism rtegoutlitt.e.t, ,revision, yet never could a dmit that to p the the Protestant children the differences betweet) two religions, was to keep tweet) them. princi' Mr. M. FITZGERALD contended that t helibel cr, pies inculcated in this Catechism were it Protestantism. , alive the dissension lotion n te w r 11 1 ' House of On the Resolution respeding, the , o e , a e s fe ag w re N .e V d or t d o s . ince') money gr. serrations tending to spew that the . 0 N or from.ner. riERISERT the Bell ow was net applied to the proper obje . ,a,aou dustry, Mr. M. FITZGERALD wade a variety °` pare the management of in ter s - managetnent of other charitable Institutive land. t of managernen to Mr.:FOSTER maintained that ,the from bla me ' . this Institution was entirely free this Institution with _ 11145 n he was in Ireleud. quiyacal testimony ..w•le which circumstance Count Remford had borne aye