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tap: The Church of Rome, in those eountriet where it was most powerful and most insolent, if he might use such an expression as applied to a Church, adopted a different system. He knew, 1,,r instance, that some time since, in Spain, for a purpose f this description, four, if not more, prebends were suspended (after the death of the iochnthruts) in cite!) chapter, in order to accumu late the requisite funds for the intended purpose. And he cbuid see no reason why, in this country, some of the prebends and donatives in the Royal gift should not be, in like manner, suspended, in order to form a fund for the purposes of the Tuesent Bill. As the measure was now to ope rate, all classes of persons, whether dissenters or member:, of the Church of Scotlaud, or as having cot,tributed to build Churches in their own dis tti!:ts, u ere to be subjected to the burden imposed for building Churches generally. His Lordship observed, that the merit of the first suggestion of this measure originated with Earl Grosvenor (not now present.) The Earl of HAattowcY contended, that the proposed measure was not solely for the advan tage of the Church, but for the advantage of the coionniu it yin general. With regard to Scotland, undoubtedly the established Church there ought to be consideted in the same light as the established Church in this part of the Island. As to the ob• ject of the present measure, he considered it of the highest importance, and particularly with re ference to those blessiugs of educAion which were netts - happily diffusing through all classes of the people, and to which it was of. the greatest im portance to afford an useful channel. The mea sure proposed was not one of a more temporary nature, but a measure for the permanent advan tage And eternal welfare of the people. As to the original suggestion of the measure, he could state from his own knowledge that a much lamented friend of his had intended to bring forward the measure, but was prevented by temporary circum stances. The Archbishop Of CANTERBURY expressed his satisfaction that there was no difference of opi nion on the two sides of the House as to the ne cessity of this measure, or the means required to carry it into effect, the only contest apparently being as to who was the original suggestor of it. With regard to this point, he was enabled to state Gat the Right Honourable Gentleman alluded to by the Noble Earl (Harrowby), sent him a draft of a Bill tor the object now sought to be attain ed, requesting his opinion (you it in five days ; uiul before the fire (lays had elapsed that Right Honourable Gentleman was assassinated. As to the idea of suspending the revenues of prebends, &c. he could assure the House that that would be a most slow and inefficient operation. The Marquis of LANSDOWSR agreed in the ne cessity for the - present measure, but had some doubts respecting the situation of Scotland and Ireland, with reference to the object proposed.— Ile could not discover in the Bill any provisions that extended to the providing of additional Churches Scotland, though there must of course be a considerable want of them there, as Well as in this part of the Island, and though the burden of erecting the Churches proposed by the present Bill must equally tall upon Scotland as upon England. With respect to Ireland, there might perhaps he no additional Churches wanting for the Protestant population, hut the same difficulty occurred with regard to the share of the burden. With regard to the Bill itself,. he certainly com pletely coincided in the general object of it. The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, with respect to Scotland, that there was every .disposition to af ford the same facilities there as in England, and un doubtedly the Established Church in Scotland must be considered in the same light there as the Esta blished Church in England was here. The Go vet nment were desirous of affording the means for building additional Churches in Scotland., upon the same grounds as in England. With re gard to Ireland, it was ill every respect united with England, so that it would he impossible to exempt that part of She United Kingdom from its share in the expence of the measure. The cir cumstance of the increase of churches not being required there was no reason for making an ex ception in, its favour. „It might as well be said, that because there were several parishes in Eng land hich did not require the application of the measure, they should not be called upon to contri bute their proportion. He therefore was of opi nion, that the measure in its present form was not liable to the objections made against it. The Bill was then read a second time, and or dered to be committed on Wednesday. The Marquis of BUCKINGHAM presented a Peti tion from the Fellows and Scholars of Brazen Nose College, Oxford, against two clauses of the Bill, which was ordered to be referred to the Committee.—Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Mr. GRANT presented a Petition from certain Merchants in the City of London, against any additional duties on the importation of Cotton Wool.—Ordered to lic.on the table. Mr. JONES brought i❑ a Bill to regulate the jurisdiction of Courts in Wales.—Read a first time, and ordered to be printed, and to be read a second time on Friday next. On the motion of Sir C. BURRELL, and after a few obser vations from Sir W. Curtis and the Speaker, the two Petitions on the table of the House, against the Brighton Gas Bill, Were ordered to be laid before the Committee - on that Bill. The Steam Boat I'reservation Bill was read a third time and passe,d. On the motion of General GASCOYNE, an account was ordered to be laid before the House of the amount of Bank of England Notes, a❑der 51. in valve, in circulation, of the dates of the years 1815 and 181 G, as far as the same could be ramie out. Mr. Alderma❑ WOOD presented a Petition from Rochdale, praying fur Pat liamentary Reform.—Ordered to lie on the The second reading of the Cutlery Bill was postponed to Monday. At the suggestion of Sir G. CLERK, and in order that the merits of the measure might be better understood, Mr. Doug las consented to postpone the Scotch Sating Banks Bill until the next Session. The Order of the Day for reading the Bill a second time on Monday se'nnight was consequently dis charged ; and it was ordered that the Bill should be read a second time on that day three months. The second reading of the Bill for encouraging Partnerships in Ireland was postponed to Monday. On the motion of Mr. STURGES BOURNE, the Second Report of the Committee on the Poor Laws Bill was ordered to be sent to the House of Lords. Mr. KENNET presented a Petition from the Borough of St. Andrews, praying for a Reform in the present Borough syste►n in Scotland.—Ordered to lie on the table, WAR IN INDIA. Mr. HOWORTH moved for certain papers relating to the war in India. His' object in making this motion Was purely to gain information. So far back as 1784, the late Lord Melville brought for, ward a Resolution in the House, stating, tha► to pursue further conquests in India would be in consistent with the true interests of this country. This Resolution was adopted by Parliament, on the renewal of the Company's Charter in 1793. — Yet, notwithstanding this precaution, our domi:- nions had been continually extending since th , lt time ; and we were now at war with the only re maining Power in India which we had not pre viously attaeked, namely, the Pindarees. The Governor-General was now in the field at the head of 100,000 men, and probably had by this time possessed himself of the capitals of Holkar and Scindia ; and under these circumstance 3, he did not consider it too much to ask the LlGuse for some information relative to the rise and pro gress of the present war. The Hbn. Gentle man then proposed to move for copies of various papers connected with the origin and progress of the war. Mr. CANNING bad no objection to accede to the Hon..Gentlernan's motion as far as lie could, that was, to produce all tl►e papers which the Hon. Gentleman had moved for, as far as they had reached this country. With respect to , the Pin darees, they certainly were not a Power of- very great consideration ; but when it was recollected that they had for two years past carried fire and sword into the Company's possessions, the lion. Gentleman and the House would, he trusted, consider it right that steps should be adopted to put an end to these predatory and idschievons incursions. He perfectly agreed with the lion. Gentleman in opinion that a pacific conduct in India would be most advantageous to this coun try; but the Honourable Gentleman would be aware that occasions might arise in which war would become inevitable. Mr. HOWORTH expressed himself satisfied, and shaped his motion as had been suggested by 'Mr. Canning, and in this shape it was agreed to. A Message from the Lords.annenneed their Lordships' as sent to several Public and Private Bills,and some others were returned with amendments. The Clandestine Marriage Prevention Bill waf read a first time, and ordered for a second. reading on Tuesday. MESSAGE FROM THE CROWN.—GRANT TO THE DUKE OF KENT. The House baying gone into a Committee upon the Prince Regent's Message, Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that in calling the at tention of the Committee to the consideration of a proposed grant on the intended marriage of a member of the Royal Family, he would abstain from the introduction of any abstract topics, or the general grounds upon which such grants were made. These principles had been already so tho• roughly examined and defined, that it kvas merely necessary for him to make a particular applica tion of them. Acting on the ground that a grant of this nature should necessarily accompany a ma trimonial alliance of every branch of the Royal Family, Parliament had already given to the Duke of Cambridge an addition of 6,0001. a year on his marriage. He trusted that the House would agree with him that the Duke of Kent was entitled to a similar allowance. With respect to the marriage of his Royal Highness there could be but one feeling. The individual with whom the alliance was sought was a branch of an illustrious family already known to the country. Nor would the House be disposed to act-withllliberality, when it was. remembered that the income of the illus trious Lady would suffer a considerable diminution by her marriage. It would be also necessary to bring to the recollection of the House that his Royal Highness the Duke of Kent was placed in a peculiar situation. Until he had attained the age of 32, he did not come to the enjoyment of the income usually appropriated to the ,male branches of the Royal Family at a much earlier period of life. The offices which. he held had been quite insufficient to support the necessary dignity and splendour of his rank. His Royal Highness was, therefore, compelled to contract debts, to the discharge of which he had assigned the greater part of his annuity. His Lordship concluded by hoping that the Committee would cordially agree to his proposition, " That an nual sum not exceeding 6000/. be granted as a provision for his Royal Highness the Duke of Kent, on his marriage." Mr. Cu RWEN differed with the Noble Lord on several points. He acknowledged no principle that pledged him to make such allowance on the marriage of any branch of the Royal Family. He could not consent that 60001. a year should be added to the burdens of an oppressed country, for the purpose of relieving wants that could be so properly supplied from another quarter. Her Majesty was not only amply enabled to relieve the embarrassments of her family, but could also maintain them with facility in all the splendour and dignity due to their rank. Her purse had been overburthened, and that house had not paid sufficient attention to the subject. Parliament had done its duty when the grants to the other Royal Personages came to be considered some time ago. They could no longer come before that House, praying that their embarrassments may be relieved. He fully appreciated the ami able qualities of the Duke of Kent, at the same time his duty lay before him, which he could not shrink from. He gave his opposition to the mo tion. Sir R. HERON said, that the Royal personage, whose circumstances were then under considera tion, bad been known to the House by his bene volence and by the disinterested zeal with which be attached himself to many objects of benefit and improvement to the country. But if it were intended to invest him with such a considerable annuity, he would wish to see it substituted for those expenses that were supporting extrava gance and useless parade: The Duke of Cam bridge was by no means a precedent fur the con sideration of the House. The grant to that Royal personage had been most objectionable. The income which be enjoyed from Hanover was con siderable, and should have been a sufficient reason for withholding any further addition to his an nuity. It was said that his emoluments from, Hanover were but temporary ; but was it not time enough to bestow a grant when these' sources of revenue were lost to him ? He should vote against the motion: Mr. BROUGHAM rose, and observed, that if the personal qualities and the private condition of the Duke of Kent were alone to be considered by the Committee, the question would he easily de cided. In the practice of those virtues, that adorn private life none was more exemplary. He rea dily gave the support of his great influence to every Institution of charity and benevolence.— But these were points entirely distinct from the proper views to be taken on the subject. It bad been said,. that this matrimonial engagement had been entered into for the purpose of securing a succession to the Throne; that the match claimed, from its own merits, the approbation of Parlia ment ; and that the state of the finances of the Royal personage demanded a liberal allowance from the Committee. It was right to take measures fur the succession of the Brunswick. line ; but he would ask, was parliamentary assistance necessary to give effect to the marriage of the Duke of Kent If it was replied in the affirmative, he would give his support to the motion. Though it was pleasing to the Committee to indulge on the private merits of his Royal Highness, yet, in other respects, he was equally entitled to their consideration. The delay of the income which every member of the Royal Family received at •a regular age caused a multitude of embarrassments to his Royal High ness. He served in the West ,Indies, at Gibral tar, at Nova Scotia, and Canada. His emolu ments, during these services, were quite dispro portionate to his rank ; nay, he (Mr. B.) had understood that the Royal Duke had incurred losses, far which he received no compensation. He had already assigned for the payment of debts forced on him, by the narrowness of his means, the annual sum of 17,0001. out of his 25,0001. Mr. B. concluded by voting for the grant. Mr. METHUEN could not agree to this Grant. He agreed in all which had been said in praise of the Duke of Kent, but as much might also be said for the Duke of Cam bridge. Lord A LTHORPE opposed the motion.—He could not discover so much advantage to the Public in All these Royal Marriages as authorised the com ing to Parliament, and calling for additional bur thens to be imposed on- the Public, Lord CASTLEREAGH and Mr. BROUGHAM CX plained. Mr. PROTHEROE, notwithstanding the respect he felt for the character of the Duke of Kent, was yet obliged, consistent with his public duty, to oppose this Grant, which ought not to take place in the present state of the country.. Mr. J. SMITH *as in favour of the Grant. That the Duke of 'Kent was embarrassed was not surprising, when it was considered that till after he was 32, his income was not equal to that of the eldest son of many Gentlemen in that Honse. The Duke of Kent had for years been absent on foreign service, and that in a quarter of danger, the West Indies, in the course of which his Royal Highness loSt considerable property by ship wreck, which losses bad never been made up to him. He would wish to know why, as the Royal Duke was absent on actual service for his coun try., the Parliamentary allowance of 12,0001. granted to the other branches of the Royal Family, had been withheld from him ? Sir C. MONCK understood the marriage of the Duke of Clarence was still in progress. Whilst there were any hopes. of an heir to the throne in this branch of the family he - thought no other branch of the family ought to apply.—(Much laughter) _ . The House then divided— Ayes 205 Noes 5l Majority The Resolution for granting a dowry to the Princess in case of bet' surviving the Duke was then put and agreed to.—The Report was ordered to be received on Monday. The CHANCELLOR- of the EXCHEQUER moved that the [louse, at its rising, do adjourn till Mon day.—Agreed to. The Committees of Supply and Ways and Means were postponed till Monday. THE ALIEN BILL. Lord CASTLEREAGH moved the Order of the Day for the second reading of the Alien Bill. Mr. LAISIBTON expressed his surprise at the in troduction of this Bill by the Noble Lord in a time of profound peace. By doing 'so, the Noble Lord had she‘ved full well his opinion of the sub serviency of the House--a subserviency which had, indeed, been well proved. The Noble Lord had called it a mitigated measure. Ile called it an outrage on the Constitution and ancient cus toms of the land, and was pointed against fo reigners, to the influx of whom into this country, after the tyrannical Edict of Nantz, we owe our present wealth and greatneis. The lion. Gent. observed that the Alien Bill was first - introduced by Mr. Pitt, in 1793 ; but the state of the world was now different, and there remains no pretence for continuing this measure. The Noble Lord must have other motives than those which he pro fessed. The object must be to destroy that little spot of liberty which still remained, and to put an end to the boast of our-country, " that a Slave, of whatever country, whenever he set his foot on English ground, became free." That boast would exist no longer ; and the object for which it was to be destroyed was, to point an engine against the anfortunate individuals who were proscribed on the second return of the: Bout bons to France. The Honourable Gentleman then entered into a review of the proceedings against the proscribed by the Bourbon Government on the King's second return, by whom 38 individuals were banished without trial or sentence, and still remained wan derers from place to place ; and against these un happy men the present measure was ainied. He earnestly implored the House to pause before they armed Government with a power which would be a stain and disgrace to us. He contended that this measure was not called for by any line of policy. If the Government of the Bourbons was esta blished with the People of France, the machina tions of 38 individuals would not shake it ; if, on the contrary, the People were against it, the mea sure we were now about to adopt would not serve the Bourbons, whilst it would disgrace us. He concluded by moving, that, instead of now, the Bill should be read 'a second time this (lay six months. Mr. PROTHERO9 was in favour of this Bill. He thought we should be careful to prevent the dis turbance of our present tranquillity by the ma chinations of the disaffected. Mr. LYTTELTON OppOlea the Bill. The power it conferred on Ministers was often exercised t i n, manner highly prejudicial and oppressive t o , to dividuals. As an instance of this, he allale(ige. the case of Mr. Befort, the vender of the c ` li dicinal, who formerly resided in the 1 - 1 3 Y nt : r w o for a period of ten years ; and who, in 10, ice , 18 sent out of the country at a few h ours' e ' hi'tste, without any reason being assigned. In th the however, with which he was ordered to quit A country, he was under the necessity of 'Wiles musical instrument behind him ; and in hi s , ne e afterwards discovered copies of a corresP°l7oa between the Pope, the Catholics of Irek i " ' , re e. a father of the order of La Trappe• c Ea rY spondence was sufficient to alarm the S eere 'of for the Home. Department, in whose opinion to name the Pope was little short of tre'n.se, Now in the return made by order of th e t he it was stated that no person was sent uot ° t hat country in 1814 ; but Mr. Befort affirtned,sof it was in 1814 that he was thus sent away; ce din if the fact was so, that would thro w thee' be• over the whole return ; and instead of no " C ha o ing sent out in that year, numbers of suffered equally with this unfortunate ven„alg gout water. At present Gentlemen on without concern, being at present tree 0' 4 selves ; but this was shoving but little "Ifii,g,ae and very little concern for the character ''' country, at a time when there was scarce l o ot country in Europe in which Englishmen w ere t o to be found. He concluded by -supporting amendment. fi e Mr. H. Ctivis shortly supported the 1 31 "' t yro could not account for the omission in ti)e mentioned by the Honourable Gentleman Lyttelton). lei A division was again called for, and the ' al was about to be cleared, when ere Lord FOLKESTONE said, that lie should e o o worthy of the hospitality with which his tin ce t t ilis ha:l been received, if he were not to C"t dosed most solemn protest againit the door beim. , (- Ile on the exercise of such hospitality in tutu" 0 ,43 strongly condemned the policy of the inekonre,,oo contended at some length that omen of tt,r P itf perit y of England had been owing—to t I „ a t it l geographical situation—not to the numb e er r s - 1 inhabitants, but to the opinion ceetc d;IY M tained of its liberal policy lowa' ds strangers' present, he considered a Bill like the pl e ' en be injurious and useless. 4 co ° Mr. C. GRANT Could not regard the me* an infringement on the Constitution, nv t r :of called for at this moment. He did not th' il- o sr' ancient system of policy was marked by ' II NIer a titular predilection for foreigners, except as lte chants. The Statutes alluded to afforded' -the protection as Merchants. With respect 10 not prerogative of the Sovereign, it certainly 4",51,iel the policy of the Constitution to preclude We yer front prohibiting the intercourse of der'fe rei should the safety of the State require th t he cisc of such prohibition. The princip le o f 00 Act of 1793 had been applied in all cas ec it ,:ali that period, when danger was apprehende d ' it be said that danger was not now afloat, wi)e-toit tempts had been made at assassination ? an d not proper to arm the Executive with ' , o we° t - ;:ele petent to avert that danger ?He was of opitii° set never was a period in which a more dangeroll.ss of of conspirators existed against the l iberile ,,iti mankind, and therefore he thought the ne,ril'hat for the Bill was apparent. It had he - n this Bill would interfere with hospitality -41° b"l„se thing. It would not operate in that %e?; t ec e foreigners who really flew from religious Perloot don would still find an asylum in Engla nd ; „ilea if we were to look to history ford peti °( ' Cite the persecuted found refuge in this conn tr' q t he last 25 years furnished most ample proof ° ,,eat hospitalities of this country; and at the P r " ea' . moment not less than 20,000 foreigners werei. joying the protection which England afforde's Mr. F. DOUGLAS thought the Bill dange l' i ,,,, connected with the policy avowed by th e , „ - p t re"' Lord on its intioduct ioll. Olt looking at t in' amble, he did not find any reason stated 1.(); o re (hieing the House to pass the Bill. The pe j a ' s o i t was calculated to meet an external danger, d it to had a domestic effect. W as th ere rea sl ; - It apprehend the danger as in the former ca se oc• must be recollected, that the war wasv" e °Wail cessity—to protect and secure our liberties . , o ger there any reason to apprehend external "°) now ?—Was danger to be apprehende d troteu too followers of Buonapsrte ? The Hon. Ge°l7intri condemned the impolicy of dragging th is c°-,40113 into the vortex of Continental i ot rigues• l s uch respect to the prerogative of the Crow o, I t here power really did exist, what necessity w °s s uch for passing the Bill? He deprecated pia ci " ; strong powers in the hands of any Ministers' The House divided— For the mation..... ......................... • • ',ss Fur the amendment Majority in favour of the second reading.. • • Lori After a short conversation-, in which Mr. Per,:, , rt'S Castlereagh, and Mr. Bathurst took a part, the P "- dered to be committed on Tuesday next is The Hon. Mr. LYTTLETON put a question with r c '' a iieof a Mr. Befort, who was sent out of this country o , o o ol ollre because, as it was understood, he had come here to nicate between the Irish Catholics and the Pape . tb. Mr. BATHURST said that he was unable to. a r n r y. Hon. Member's question, but promised to make i i4 ,Pro f u t . The Report of the Savings Banks Bill was tak en 'Ole "-; titer consideration, and the Bill was recommitted. gods; next was brought up, and tire third reading fise d for m el n. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER br°,6 - toet 141 Irish Assessed Taxes Bill, which' was read a firs" -itla ordered to be read a second time on Monday next. . 0 Mr. PEEL declined proceeding further this Se ss :tat '- the Irish Prisons Fees Bill. He moved, therefore, " ty pf committed that NEWPORT a day three months. 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