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a IMPERIAL PARLIAME.,2a. HOUSE OF PEERS. WEDNESDAY, DEC EMBER 19. The Report of the Committee appointed to exa 1, mine the Physicians attendant on hi' Majesty, touch ing LS state of his Majesty's health, Was not in a state of readiness to be . brought up.. It is . expeeted. t will he - hr'OU-r'lt upto-morrow. i rose .to obs-erv, , t even' • n t his I L short irnerNal hecould not refrain from taking idyarn- Cage of the 13r-01ot:sitting of their Lprdshipj House ' to state whit were his feelings and opinions respedt tog the awttil state of affairs itt .which the country .now saw itself placed. It might linear, no 'doubt] 1 somewhat - irregular, and perhaps premature, to WEI' --any observations upon these import:int matters, be •::-forethey were brought in due order before the House, ard submitted to their Lordships' consideration; but :7 , he trusted the .interest he felt in the present crisis, and urgent dtity whicll he was conscious pressed upon -Mat, to see that the detea in the Royal au-, thorny 7 (should the melancho4y faarhe mildemani fl.st by , the • Retrort) filled up - without any fu - rther delay, would pload his-excuse fur any irregularity of which it, tight be thought he-w - as guiltyl It was this sense of duty, therefore, which .now.called upon. him to.pur af- que,tions to the Noble-Earl oppo site (Lord Liverpool) as to the line of conduct which fie intended to pursue on the_presqnt emergent oc- C 3 SiOn, Had the, Noble Earl any plan in contempla tion for mecting,that emergency- 7 --and how tar was he prepared 'to comtuunicate the particulars of that -plan, if any plan Ita'd, .yet ,been settled by his Ma jesty's. Ministers.? In order to satiSty, Jtjs,own mind, he was anxious to be favoured with some information on thesi.- important points. The Earl of I..iveirypot. certainly conceived that it would have be - en more regular to put these (pies lions after the report rind been put 'on their Lord- • ships' table, and - the fait asceitained,' whiCh would make it incumbent of; their - Lordships' House to tai; e Measures for''SUpPlying - the defet',l • which has so unfortunately occurred iu 11:! pet nal exercise of the Ititi);al•futrittotis:: 'He•frlt' no ditlicult , , how ever, in so far meeting the 'wishes of the Nobie. Earl, as to state what was the eourseof proceeding intend -ed, to be adopted by Go% ernment on the present af temergency. These, proceedings'. might be ,eot*er4,under two pointA of. ; viely. First, as..de, fltt:ing,tl . le ,incapacity of the Sovereign, at the .pre sent moment; for the personal e&eicise of the lioy,a) Authority; and next, declaring how. that defed Vrtnyterttr - relmd d It was - t in tent io rt of GiT- vernment generbily to adopt the precedent of 1788', '2rl4 to gliejpe ( their li on that ttitiklel, a, laf as ilia aiffeirenee of the citcitiu out pi;tilat and the pre;elit would altow. They would .thvrefore adopt the prelitnivariesi or. the three first 'resolutions which ‘:ere pi ()posed and adopted 'in 'folio W lietn up as exactly as' pOs , ible with a view to the tilling .up of the vacancy - or defect t,yhiUi has So a fttictingly tak en place in the persimal ex erelse4 cif the Royal Authority. Upon lull and mature deliberation, his Majesty's 'NI iniverswere convinced, that this WaS the mode of Ttoceeding the most con ppant ,tO j i lie and the ,zpOst. contorniable io the soundest interpretation of the principle, oh. the c,:onstitution, The other consideration, of the pie cise manner and under what reguiat;ots that defi ciency should be provided for, was a nutter of expe diency, toid might be regulated by a due considera tion of all the circumstantei which may "attend, the anomeht when these regulations must ..be adopted. It might be disirable to see what course would be rrefrby the ottPrflotge, .atterthey considered the sta!e•of the ;tittioi,,and how far it \multi be the opi it ion of . theft - Lordshi'ps to concur in' that mode, Of proceeding, For the cffilvoiieuce, therefore; Of their Lordships, he should propose that the House do sit on Saturday, to ,take the Repot t into cdusideratien, and Oat then the earliest possible day, the Wkdnesday or • hursday following, might :be fixed .upon for going into a toll discussion of all the nearings of the pre ient veiStuite of public aflairs. This was 'all lie could take Upon himself • to say in prgsent state of the business. • Earl Sraticua thanked the Noble, 'Earl for nhe ready and candid , amoner in which he had afforded the information requested' frorri •him. Indeed he' thought it chic tO that - Noble Earl io state the times Olateh had induced .Itith (Lord' Spencer.) to call for that information, and • thus ear!y to seek' an op pottunity de'diselosine r the` ruotives and opinions' upon whilill he .conerrved , tiwv to They \vete the same as,those he e ; ptertaioed jn 1788, although he was Oen but a young . NiettbFr of that House. To thefitst'reSolution he could have no obk..6tion; .I'sthe'ground upon which it rested Was now made evident, to the. cotta ietion, the sorrow and Ow lamentation dr the whole country. Respecting the second, Therenkight be tutee difference of opi pion, t•ind he. hipselfglad sonic: objection. 4 to it. To the third resoltnion he should tinpit decidedly object. But the delay that had already occurred, in adopt ing some treasures for remedying the delett in, the e.xercise of the Royal funttions, nehad• more parti cularly' to complato of. 'Above all, was their Lord ships' House to, Wait for thedpinion . and discussion of the other House, in order to regulate upon them the mo t e of-procee(iing- whicit—their Lordships should tid o o,l.lc hat be consulting the digni ty, or asserting.tlie indtpeitdeuce of their Lordships' House, ‘4 , ljose More pt;Tuliar and especial charge atiZ deity it was to ; , watch over and protedt the Mo-' uarchy of these realms.? Should they have lost a Moloent in taking"hp, a question so vital to the •mo narchical constitution of .tile country, and in pa). widing for all the rights, attributes, and exercise of. the Royal authority ?"' This was the line, which in his mind he was convinA4 they should have:in the first instance pursued, and he took /he present oc casion of stating that as his opinion,, , that he Wright enter his clai,n, or in slime' measure his protest, against being hereafter supposed,-or have it imputed to him, that he had silently acquiesced in the mode of pr.ceeding that was going to be laid down as that which the House should adopt on the present la mentable• occasion. If they did adopt it ih all its.parts he would nut hesitate to declare such a proceeding ail open and• Indisputable violation of the fundamentA principles of the Constitution; The:r Lordships had Moreover to look at the state of the country wh©n such things had been sintered to take place, a state of the'Couutry the most perilous and ctitiCal of any in -which.- it lIITS - been - plaqdlpr centuries. He shotild not ress the NOle Earl.for a full er explana tion Tof th further men ures wilich it must be his intetstion e propose . at the presi-nt crisis, but w adopting them, he trusted he would pay all due re gard to the circumstances of every nature which had taken place since e the periodof 178.8, -the-precedent .. ~_ _, ....._ of which it seemed lobe resolved so very minutely and closely to purstit.' 'lie Noble earl concluded with again apologising for any irregularity he might , have fallen into by his anxious Wish, perh a p s pre.; Maturely, of_-delivering _his sentiments on the ur gent nature of the , presept emergency ; and with moving that their Lordships be summoned to attend the Hou,e to-morrow... '. ' ' ' . . . 'Lord GItLtSVILLE was at -a loss to see the racers-' shy Which his Noble Friend had conceived himself to be under of apologizing for this. early declaration . of his sentiments. In his Opinion, his Noble Friend' had done right in taking the ve r y fi rs t opportunity of their . Lmdships ascombling ,t 6 declare those opi nions, in most of Which lie had . the happiness of• concurring with- his Noble Friend. Every man: must feel the alarming nature of the present moment, and the perils and difficulties with 'which the court . try waS essailed.on all,sides. Every man most feel how dangerous and calamitous it was,- that under such. circumstances the ExecutiVe branch of the Government should so long remain imperfect.-- Every map must deplore and condemn the long, the extraordinary, the unnecessary delay, which had been allowed to inteivene betore measures were taken to supply the . defect in the personal exercise of the Royal Authority ; measures which ought to 'have been resorted to almost at, the very moment when that defeel was first discovered. !This unne cessary; pet hateeinteritional delay, was not the only matter of Charge against the Servants of the Crown 'Ott the prcs.ent oCcasion. There was other matter of a more grievOus nature, which it Would be more seasonable to discuss when the Report of the'Coiii. mit tee' Should be , utider their Lordships' con§ider atioli..-That delay, he must however now complain, has been studiously protraCted down to the present 'moment, when we come upon a week; a particular .day of, which, however urgent may be tite situa tion of public affairs, the attention of the Christian ~'ts annually ealled to the contemplation ofut her con.' cents, concern; ola iiir higher moment. Iu such a situation, itow,;ver,are we placed, that the Repo r t of , the• Committe e , "hid) is to constitute the ground- Woi k of these very important proceedings, .eannot well be printed and distributed 'before Saturday, and Then will it not require, particularly if it be'volumi nous, some further time for . due examination ? Here, therefore,. are fresh obstacles thrown. in t h e way' of that which long since should have been adopted 'and proceeded on.* But he would now say a word Or two on the point upon which was likely to, turn the more serious part of the approaching dtscussions ; - that is, whether the IL use should proceed by Bill or' by Address ? It was with great regrn, and with the utmost distrust in his opinions, v Ifat he ventured to differ on any point from' his Noble Friend ( Lord Spencer); such a difference has seldom occurred, and be trusted it would be more rare for the future. , He, however, had been of opinion, and in that opinion he must still continue, that the only' true constitutional mode of proceeding on an afflict ing occasion like the present was by Bill. No Aa should form the , grinind-work of a proceeding of the States of the Realm that .should not be cloathed with all the attributes, as far as may be, of a complete and petted Ad of Parliament. For that purpose it should be provided, that the political capacity, of the Sovereign should apeear to tetuain unimpaired and uainterrupted, and that a measure should be resorted to that would give the full san6tion of , that autho rity ; that would legitimately convoke Parliament, and in that Parliament so convoked, to bring in a li'll for remedying the defect in the personal exercise of the Royal Authority. Such was his opinion.in 1788; and in that opinion he persevered—not on the mere despicable ground that,such was formerly his opinion —net even because it was the opinion of a man who had tnest weight with him, and whose memory he should ever revere---but because it was an opinion ;r1 which he was strengthened and Con: , firmed by all the lights he had 'since been able to de- rive from experience, from further study, from ma- parer consideration of this most important question.' For the last. 22 years which 'had elapsed since that event, his attention for the greater part of that time had„been aLiively employed in public. affairs; and for the shorter . period, during which he had not been so employed, his nine, he hoped, had not been wasted away in an in o dolent 'and barren retirement. If, therefore, he now persisted .in that opinion, it. was an opinion which he clone , to from no hies or partiality, but from the fullest and deepest convic tion of its propriety and rectitude. When the pro per time came, he should go at large' into the grounds of that opinion ; at present such a detail' would certainly be preMaturte and rather irregular,' i although he was far from insinuating that there was any thing irregular in the hints and ge'netal observa ; tions which had been- throWn out by his Hon. Friend ; on the contrary, he thought them fully justified on such an occasion, as laying the founda : 'ion of the opinion which he might-hereafter lay down and establish. Lord LAUDERDALE was sorry to differ from his Noble Friend who spoke last. Even if such a pro ceeding as that be recommended should be adopted ' and acted upon, it would hereafter' be considered as a dead letter, upon which the Judges would not think then selves obliged to at upon. , the experience of all history, particularly of the history of this country, was against, it, add should powerful ly warn us° against continuing 'such a precedent as that of t7BB, which in his eyes was reprehensible in every respe6t. The NOble Lord concluded by inveighing against the delay that had occurred,' and by earnestly recommending the most simple and compendious tnole of proceedingH4 hat by Address. • Lord HoLLAND'expressed his wish to know if it were the intention of the Noble Earl to . propOse. that the Report of the Committee should be print ed—a proceeding which he thought necessary for the due information of their Lordships. The Earl of LIVURPOOL said, that such wa, the intention of hi:4 Noble Friend, who sho u ld p resen t the Report. Eith e r that Noble Lord or himself would more for the printing of .the documents. While he was up, he wonld, with a view to insure the tullest attendance, move, that the Lords be sum moned for the service of the House on Thursday, the 27th instant. Lord GRENVILLE thought it should be ex pressly lcno n before the House separated, that it was terrain the Noble Earl would lubniit some pro positions tbr, tut consideration of the House on that day. The Earl of Ltvgaroot. said, it : was certainly his I intention at present :0 subMit the propositions he had adverted to, to the con s id erat i on o f t h e H ohse, _ to-morrow su'unight. • • Lord GRE&VI then observed. It , was very _possible.the proceedings of the other- I.4ouse of Par liament may be s;tch as to rend e r it . impracficable tn , to make the orritniication alluded to, at thir time ~mentioned by the Noble Earl. In that ease he could not imagine any excuse for their Lordships deteriing any logger to ot iginate sonic proposition ,n 3 the 'Subjed thetn . sehes. therefore thought; it should be nude's' nod that sonic one.)r ocher, of their Lordships would undoubtedly bring forward. it proposition on the subject in question to-morrow se'nnight, 'TheTEarl of Lavvtirnot, V6Pelted it \v . :is certain ly his intention to submit proposition to their Lordships on - the` the th. As to ,A hat difference, in his any thin g that may happen in the interval might snake, it was then impuSsible for him say, but such at: pre sent v/its his detertnimnion. Lord HoLLAND rose to give notice, that if some I\l,ble lord 'Opposite did not" make a - proposition .to the House to 7 oaorrow seinnight he cerlairdv should have . the tumour of brin,ging tor wArd one Tim Earl of Livaaroor.; in reference to the .gxerat ..itnportance of- rho LfilvtlFc * Sibri fised for to morrow se nuight, and Sri the consequent decision, said, he thungot snni,4,:-n - tAngemont or understand , - ing should take place telothe to proxies, resirttln) the admissibility of tvhi,:h, ptc , “Ait circum stances of Pariiament; he seerr , ed to think sow::: doubts existed. With this view,• he intended to move for , a Cominittee,'to seafeit for "pi - vet-dews as to the count.: which obtained in tortnet - cases,of the kind. Earl STANHOPE observed, the Noble Secretary of-State seemed to lakionr - under -some • misconcep tion on this point.. In order to silence all doubts upon it, - be - qvuld himself, it Noble Earl di'd not, move for the. appointment of a Committee to inquire. A few words in explanation then took place be - - tween the Nobte,Ealls,. when the turner adverted to the consideration of proxies being inadmissible when the House was in a Cominittee. Earl STANHOPE, concluding, observed, the the Noble Seeu.tary of State was iii that retcrence, as be usually w.is, in error. Lie calculated. upon the House being in a Cmmittee, before he could be sure whether it would agree to his motion for going inn) a Committee, or nut. ,4 4 1:he Lords were ihen ordered to be summoned for Thursday, the ITOti:e7djuurned till to-morrow, when the Report . or the. Committee appointed to examine the Royal' Pliysiciads will be . , presented. .•1 I LS. Ait v n—l Dublin. Du Malta, 3 Waterford. IT IC F. Of. STOCKS THIS DAY Ar TWaLVE O'CLOCK. COnSOIS - - - 67* I Red. 661 TT f 1.1 I, N. SOLEm. QVIS DICER . E. EA.I.SUNI AUDE AT ? , L (JND OiV; THURSDAY, DECEMBER 20, 1810. 6 ' Witulso! CaMle,• Dec. zo, 1310. "His MAJESTY has passed , a good night, and appears rather better this morning." .Signed as usual. It will hardly be expetiled that we shauld be able to distin&ly,communicate the intentions of Ministers as to the important business which is to take place this day in .Parliament ;' but from what we have heard, it is likely that 'they, will adtipt such a course as will be satisfaaory•to the people at large. On considering the opinions of the Physicians in gene ral, we perceive that the average probability of a recovery, in such cases as that by which our be loved Sovereign is at present, atilialed, is six months; add that after eighteen months there would little hope. We therefore conceive that a medium is not unlikely to be adopted, and that Ministers will re- Aim as we before stated, the Bill of 1788, but with certain' modifications, one of Wiiich, perhaps, will be a limitation of , the restriaions upon .the Re gency for twelve months, and after that ,petiod, to give the PRINCE of WALES the plenitude of Royal Anthori/y. Such a limitation would be SO respectful to His MAJESTY, that the filial at: feetioti of the 'ParNev., we - conceive, must di,- pose his Royal Highness readily to -assent to 'it. On the other band, though the people would - cere tainly disapprove of any me,3sure calculated to pre vent hi, MAJESTY from resuming his functions while there was any hopa of his recovery, they would as certainly desire' to see the lie:r-apparent full possession- of Royal Authority, when no such hop could be reasonably entertained. The other vat iations froM the prvet. , dent on. the former o,:casion, which We have herd, as spoken of among person; likely to be wj-11-inforrod, r,;4. lates to the power of `u hick was IC be wholly withheld on ihat occasion; but, it is sa; that,where individuals have performed such erri neat national services as - to deserve the thanks of Parliament, and the honour of the 'Peerage, the Regent is to be vested with the - power of best Owing it. - The contruull of his MAJcsyx.'s" liousehold,.We-have like wise heard is 0, be vested in her .MAJESTY; during the period we ha ve a b ove state d ; and the care of s Person will continue to be vested in his „itoyal Consort. LUCIEN BUONA.PARTE tat ded at Plymouth on Tut•sday-. • We this morning received the following Letter !iota uur Correspondent at tll3t place, dated the I Bth instant : " This day, about half past one o'clock, the Port Adthiral's cutter was ordered alongside his Majesty', ship President, When LCCIENT BUON4PAItTE, his ta wny,' and suite, were taken out of her, accompa , tried by' Captains NAstr, of the Sulpadur . del Mundo, and : WARREN, Of the President, and • suoh alter reached his . M - ajesty's Vietualling Office, when they were taken out by the Port Adtnirai's barge, and Larded there, amidst a crowd of spectators, wh' Were drawn there by curiosity, to view the brother of the Tyrant bf the Comincnt. They praceedtd Iron) the ViCtoalling Otfic!e to the King's AIMS Inn, where they were received by Sir 11013.,Ar r CALDER, tilt Commander in Chief at thi,por t era! EN U. ComittaAler of the G.truisini ; and Laid Bore. -- tritfctr , DN - ;-etior7el -of-ttorth ; I,y Acr rea ted tt 1:11 every mark of mien t4 . m, p.atepess, and re , pect. It is expected that their stay at this place will not hem! long duration, said not to exceed three day. when it is reported they will proceed to some place in the interior, of the country. LUCIEN BUONAPARTE; is i!Eyitit fivb tea . six incites in height, and of 'a sallow cum plexion-rhis looks bespeak him to be a Shrewd sensible man. Madame BUONAPAitTE is a fine looking woman, and her family, consisting of seven children (five girls and two boys), are extremely handsome, particularly the eldest daughter, about seventeen years of age, who, it is reported, is of an annable-di§position and pleasant manners." :Some more French Papers arrived yesterday ; are chielly tilled t 4 ith accounts of burning EtiOsli Manufacture:- and Colonial Produce in ditElent parts of the Continent, and with,tictittous Letters from London, describing, in the most exattgerated terins, the cornmeicial distresses of this Country., We lately gave our Readers an account of the deplorable state - or the French capital fron inditi putable authority, and we have received other—ac .eonnts which abundantly confirm that intelligence. The spies of the usurper are innumerable, and 'everything that is uttered adverse to his Govern ment is immediately conveyed to him. Individual; daily disapptan The following anecdote is given as . a Proof, of the vigilance of the spies, and of the temper of the despot. A military officer who had been with the army in Spain from the commence• ment' of the invasion of: that country, returned to Paris, ha . ving, on account of, indispdsition, obtained leave of absence fur six months. He happened - to speak rather too freely of the state of affairS in. Spain, on the first day of his arrival, representing: them as disastrous ; his words were so soon con veyed to the tyrant, that the officer was the very , next day ordered to , join the army in fuur days. After some vain expostulations with the minister, he obtained an interview with the tyrant, who,. when•the officer attempted, with the utmost bif mility, to address him, stopped him at once with those words, " All'airs are so disastrous in',Snairq that you must go to retrieve them." Our Readers will find, by a reference to the Par= liamentary proceedings of yesterday, that Lard GRENVILLE expressly declared his opinion that - the precedent of -178 s, respeting the mode of proceed ing on the subjea of the Regency, ought to be fol lowed , that is to say, that the three Resolu t i o ns which the CHANCE LLOR Of the EXCHEQUER means to propose this day, ought to be adopted, and that, the two Houses ought to proceed by way of Bill,, and not by Address. We have lately laid beforo our readers the very ,able and constitutional speech. Made by his Lordship in 1788, and we have no doubt that his Lord,hip will defend the same prin eiples now, with equal ability and success. - . ' D DEG. 9.—Arrived the Royalist sloop of war with the French privateer •La Adventurieri ich she captured last evening off the • French Sailed the Ganges' man of war for Portsmoilti, and the Royalist and Podargus sloop - -; of.mar,, coniegnence of the signal being made for arl si 4 ht. , everal of the outward-bound, but,lUe con - r voyJtolains. Po a 1 ~1 . ,~~,,,,} din • • t C/ tlfint 11 111 it NIMil 'lath uE aPer 'ad tie 'Peruse found 4)1 1 - le c Posed i (e r agai The v i nni en u e i ng v pucer a Peecil Lor f ence, 4 he to ele t hat i 4 PPre 14 t trt tublic ' () t 1 th Ev Was °f iii •I badr of 11'11 per' t heir Mag i l et t) u 11( ?Ver n`ltid t r, e r,. Ti