The Sun. — London, England, 1818-04-17 00:00:00

iitcr si►e ortance cetl th e sboul" . —w he' a Corn P e° P - )01. id inals old that the pert . pressi°l3 r of a"/- h e oolY this lig efore mse NaP o f the •- eat f crret. :: 3/ q)o* 1 1 , WO" otel • ,o)' ao ,01,1 e 0 e 1 1 1 I l i: T grub hrone, or any OtothereircuMatance, waSstO he witnd of preference.—(Hear, hear, hear !)—. o ate ver th e H oe. and Learned Gentleman might think, o r whatever he might say, with whatever ' le" ' nor t h he was persuaded that neither the House a ever e Fountry could agree to so monstflosea -t)ielpata r g opositi9n.—(Eear,h ear , hear?)--Although re ed with the Hon. and Learned Gentlematt thro e ti l d esire was so strong in the 'House . an . d l u out the country as that of enforcing• a ti the ell°4 l , in his conscience he must acquit e aPfeople of England of harbouring any princs eeouorny so contemptible as that which the the to t tnd Learned Gentleman had attributed to lib e l is ' and in attr ib ut i ng which he hats passed,. a K ° " 11 ou the H ouse an d on t h e country. '1 .he re Ett - * attd Learned Gentleman atfected to see no brid v -n thi) , the propo sa l f or t h e D u k e o f C ern - W 4 n e •Should precede that for the Duke 01 Kent. a‘r a - re n ; / i t the H onourable and Learned Getitleniazi 'foto that the re was not at present any proposal th e u'e tnarriage of the Duke of Kent ? Autl that b eca g Oo• and Learned Gentleman insinuated, t ble t 'l3 the proposal for the marriage of the %v as e of Dent did not come first, therefore thett. IleeBrlnte i ndisposition on the part of the Prince k • l en ; t to the marriaee of the Duke of Kent. :!'bete could be more unfounded than this. t r b e was nosuch indisposition ; and the tn i ar r ti l e , .;,.e . lettpoke of Kent was not at present . P , t Iligt ol ' lt en the peculiar situation of los l o oy i : e it e I cos I the Duke of Cambridge should ee t '-l i g't to view, the Hot:se would feel that his 4. l, lbe "ts stood on the same grounds as those tlllh military employment abroad. If that Pe ' r i i ": rl "s Perso n were considered sufficiently ex ealt,..?etl to command au army, and shmild be tv o t•;', to that situation by some foreign power, • t t that contribute to lower him in the opinion 11.04 People of ;his country ? if so, how muecrlti .! 1;:11 11 : 4 eh pinciple ted to n ex i .. t'le pa a rt of t r he commun n ity to deade which . ns Inghness beloneed ? Iu making this aft' i ner n, his. Royal Ifiohness was not seeking to „o n 'ese his p u b lic income. Had he consulted his Dre -e and (=ntice t h e w o u ld hav e declined his po;"11 alliance. Poo h e h a d undertaken it at the of hi s illustrious thuther o und pu lte .) e•outels alone. • 1.11 % P ot •e tte could not remain silent after the A 41 1i S or N , what he had said. in o e t :write op( it Theutuied observation mi e ht often he spokes) I " 4 t cuut w "Y ; bu t not hi ng save the Noble Lord's ath l t i ' e r entail e xcuse the expressions he had used, tit i , ‘ll h e had-le -presented him (Mr. B ) as having in the wh o l e coarse o f hi s speech, to i‘ e l t, `"lre th e Royal Family. N" m l a" ( - t d that ' coo! , se e , ;led .ordinary temper, having iear it; ,c ould hat , e thou g ht that i t s any d o:l e th an its h otott i ou, was such as t h at impute Pot no man could have been more guarded it e. ti'd '." had been in the 14t1. dieipprobatioo. ,, ft , t i r. le 4 t s i I °t even blame, which he had eepres. - - . -tee euw arrantabl e a tt ac k of th e L h o o l u t , the hittde to lead the Committee away tlivierits or th e ci„esiieet to these of t b h iii 6hsi ait Cenc ert ,„d . H e hid been at tit oi at. !he charge, and could not r ecollecti,al:e 11;eee to Piet of hit; observations it could tee t giit h the assistance of rtelee jt tio;04";- of some of his— friends, he thought listo'lare been growided on the allusion trlhich ieaello-eatie to the I,ne!ntahle event wliteu last 'tete; "r oved so ma n y hopes acid affected so man)? 4n s • ife had been tar, Lee ever, front dra7 l - ee ss V c°toparis bete een the Illustrious Pri I, l orte e; ‘e loss had been so delilTet and her directec k relatives What he had said was chiefly °the; a Zainst the application made for an ad -20,0001. a year, and not against , any te„, Pot of the conduct of the Royal re •son . eoattrned. This could be propel from the argt: ). Ca r , I,`"tieh lie had used respecting the Duke it °f f or l ie h a d positively sa that I ° I ;" th e flouse not to enter into the - character b 444'6441415. IQ fact, nothing conld have lee 'lth•e;edttli7 Nobl e L or d i re() so complete a tni . s e o : ' 11 0 — , 1 , 1- "")II, save the iirbated stare of his k t e 4.;11 consequence of the events of last night, the Preceding Monday• e ve te , 4 ;e e '-,AsT L EREAGH agreed with the and f ocoreed Gentleman respecting the necessity o Iva tit I: d i ttit 'Per and good humour, end biped lie ,I",always carry , on his observations in the s-su loi-"Telt ree„Mtlie„ded. It was possible that i 111440 eliseouceived the speech of the Learned '4l• llbe r yet he had not Imam to say that an -t in "ntparison had been made between the "'ati lted Princess and her surviving relatives, but o ll ad e!, "Ile part of the speech a strong attack ee k en made on the character of two illustrious ' 1 ". 0 trilotrcillouCneze thought that the Noble Lord .d 4 av been dreamily', as he had never said suet, 0- mg. Doecees appealed to the country to de,e ofide wi l° had acted in a manner most conducive I ,Ti r - on er ease the respect of the public towards the 4 .Or t C . , e , e the House its last vote, or the Noble litt4 at whose suggestion the Royal Dukes wcre Ale, imitating their demands ou a burthened pLo e Those n • • •• - • holden up to the lal 'ages e Strati I Y as a sort of Dutch auction. It was I } , g e Way to secure the succession to the Throne S e lv "lietling the affectiete of the people. Where : e • %v as a chosen in Preference to the rest s' te e ` a ,use it was hoped it would he inure careful It abst ain from ere;o•ing ennecessarrbtathens•"— taetvas t his convi ct i on w hi ch had produced the af t!) ill 'ent felt f or the House of. Brunswick. lie iherefore trustld that the Coninhy's would resist tot Hake Proceedings of Ministers, who had contrived ' k the succes s i on o f the House of bru i its- - a ,the to the people. Cuawees contended, t h at t h e present vote Pa t arisen arisen from a total want of feeling on the d ie t of Ministers to the burthens and distresses of az People. if th e i ndividual for whom a provi rh44 w as dem an d e d had enjoyed no other income o5:11 What bud b een granted out of the Consoli to`ed Fund, he . (Mr. C. might not have objected 1.. t he Present vote. But he thought that the fo",!.;e soul which his Royal Highness received t:to Hanover should betaken into consideration. e '' ‘ ' . l ( l that illustrious person be removed from o.(l,,isttatton which h e held in that kingdem, and Ma de, an application like the preseet be then 4ge, Ltd Ito doubt that it would be success fol. As the case novs- stood, he should vote against !lie motion. Mr. WILBERFOR . CB conceived that certain ex pences were unavoidable when a Man married, and that 6,0001. a-year coald not be considered an extravagant provision. With respect to the in come derived ,by the Royal Duke from Hanover, it was one of which the House knew nothing, for it had nothing to do with Hanover, and would be more likely to lose than to gain by the con nexion,' it any were formed. He reprobated the system which prevented the marriage of British Princes according to the feelings of their hearts, and had never understood why a Prince of England, having passed his 25th year, was not permitted to avail himself of the clause in the Marriage Act, by which he might contract any proper alliance, of his own choice, at the end of twelve mouths. He would not pry into private life ; but there were circumstances which could not fail to be known, and to cause their influence to he felt. The af fection which lived in every part for our lamented Princess, and - her admirable Husband, was in creased by their excellent conduct in private . Ihat was an union, not of policy, but of hearts, and contracted in the true 'spirit of a British mar riage. Similar praise was due to the Duke and Duchess of ciloucester, than whom no one stood so ligh in the opinion of the country, for the eX cellence of their conduct in private life. He did not mean to make any iovidious comparisons. He acknowledged, on the contrary, the merits of some of the Royal Dukes, who were foremost in pro moting every charitable and beneficial institution. The estabii,hment now proposed appeared to him consonant with moderation and sobriety, and such as the House could sanction with a just regard for the state of :he country. Six thousand pounds per annum was a saw which might be considered due to his Royal Highness, and which, he had no doubt, would be thong .t fair and liberal by all parties. He concluded by wishing that his Hon. and Learned Friend would withdraw his opposi tion. Mr. BRAND would not consent to let so large a sum be voted out of the public money. He agreed that the en:';lnments derived by his Royal High ness from his situ ttinn ill Hanover ought not to be taken into consideration ; but the House ought to ascertain whether its grant would be spew. in England or in lll,lover. lie shonlit vote against the motion 3, but should support any other, wish ing to place the 60001. as a jointure on the widow 01 the Roy t)iike, it she should survive him.. Mr. TIERNEY expressed the hi g h res pect w hi c h he entertained for the Duke of Cambridge, but having long 'professed himself a friend to eco nomy, he must not now sutler himself to be guided by his feelings. The votes of this night should not be measured by the distresses of some Members of the Royal FaMily, but by those of the country. He could not agree.that the Royal Duke's situa tion in Ilanover should nut be taken into consi deration. It supplied him with every thing which he wanted, and with a suns of money over. For there was no fixed sum there apportioned as our Civil List, but it c,ime in the shape of pocket money, and, all that would be given him here would only go to accumulate and increase his private fortune. Would the Noble Lord say that it the present vote were rejected his Royal High ness's marriage would not take place ? He was convinced that it war. not the Duke of Cambridge, but the Noble Lord, who preyed for an Esta blishment. It was true float his Royal Highness might not remain in Hanover; then it would be lime to propose a grant when.he shoulti return. But as he was the youngest member of the Royal Family, it was probable that he would . remain in his Government many years, and 18,0001. which tormA his present allowance, would be equal to at least 30,0001. in that country. Could it be stated where the Royal Duke and his Consort in tended to reside? It the Noble Lord would state, that without the sum now proposed it would be impossible for his Royal Highness to contract his mart iage, he (Mr. T.) should vote for it, but not other wi,e. Mr. SiTARP expressed his intention to vote against the measure. - The CHANCELLOR of the EXCLI MUER contended that the emoluments derive:l by the Royal Duke front his situation abroad should not be taken into consideration.. They did not arise from a sine cure, but from important public functions. Would the Hon. Gentleman require that a message should be sent by the Crown to announce that his Royal Highness had resigned his appointment ? Mr. MEI-mien should vote against the grant, because it was only brought forward to endea vour to make another go down,, though it had al ready been rejected by the vote of the Howe. Mr. PLUNKETT had wished to End some rea sonable ground to justify the vote proposed, but had not been able. lie old not mean to say, that on the marriage of a Royal Duke some augmenta tion of ilicome might not be necessary; Ina it should be limited both by his necessities and by the ability ot thecountr.y to grant it. He wished to know exactly in what situation his Royal Higb ness was placed, and finding that whilst a provi sion was tormitig for him in this country he en joyed an excellent one in another, and this addi tion was merely to accumulate and increase his pfivate fortune, not to assist his wants, he could not consent to support it with his vote. - Mr. PROT I-4 E Roe also announced his intention to Cote against the motion. After a few words front Sir William Burroughs and Lord Castlereagh, rendered inaudible by the l ou d cr i es o f '' Q ues ti on ! Question !•' the House divided— For the Motion Against it Majority iii favour of Ministers —92 On being re-admitted, Lot d CASTLEREAGH %VHS fount moving that a sum not exceeding 60001. be granted to the niucess of Hesse, out of the Cot.s„lid:►ied Fund of Great Britain and Ireland, in case she should survive his Royal Highness the Duke of Canihridge.,—Agreed to. TnE DUKE OF CUMBEIMAND. Lord CASI.LI:REAGH ►iOW rose, merely to dO an act of justice towards an illustrionsindividual, against whom he bad never heard charges founded On public grounds sufficient to deprive him of the Advantages granted to the other Members of his Family. His mai riage had received the full con sent of the Crown, and since it had taken place Lis conduct bad been such as to gain the appro. . . . bation ofthe most virtuous persons. He lamented to observe, that many of the individuals who hat! opposed the former graut, were not disposed to retract their opposition, and that, they seemed to think that by their former vote Parliament were placed in a situation which did not leave them at liberty to proceed on the subject. He - sliOnhi not certainly iiress it, todesS he could collect front the sense of the House more encouraging, omens than he owned he had yet perceived. He con cluded by proposing a grant_ of 6,0001. per annum to the Duke of Cht»berland, to take place flow the 5111 of April last. Mr. BROUGHAM opposed the grant, on the same grounds as on the former occasion. But he ' , ,i)ed that would licit prevent the Noble as he un derstood it had - been his intention, moving such a grant to the Duchess of CuMberland as a dower, in case she should become a Widow. He believed, trout what he had heard, that her conduct since she had been in this country had been irreproach able, and it would be ungenerous and unmanly to' deprive her of the reward of her virtue. Lord FOLKESTONE added his testimony to that of his lion. and Learned Friend. He hoped that if the present grant were not adopted, some provi sion would be made fur her Royal Htliness. Lord CASTLEREAGH stated, that he held a Re solution in his hand to that effect, which he should propose as soon as the former should have been disposed of. He was happy to find that justice was done to the conduct of her Royal Highness. Mr. IlittoTTesLEY could not conceive on what grounds, if her Itoyal Highness was entitled to have that dower, the Royal Duke, her Husband, could be debarred from enjoying the grant on account of the marriage which he had contracted. If amiable manners in domestic life, nigiiity of sentiment, and excellence of conduct were to be regarded, no person deserved the approbation of the public more. truly than hrr Royal Highness. He consi dered the House to be at full liberty to discuss the subject, notwithstanding the tormer vote; and he caller: on them not to act harshly against me ritotious individuals. 11ItFoases had been surprised and disappointed at the manner in which the Noble Lord had intro duced the question. If the grant were refused to the Duke of Cumberland, he should not be a party to insulting her Royal Highness with the offer of a dower, which site could only receive when her sole anti natural protector should have ceased to live. He trusted, that under such circumstances she , would have spirit to refuse it. lie entreated the House to reconsider the subject. They owed it to the country, whose sense he had had more opportunities of knowing than many Members.— He should insist on a division, for he should despise popularity, and even a seat in that House, if either required that he should compromise with his conscience. Lord CASTLEREAGH declared he had not heard a speech for a long while which had given him greater pleasure ; but .lie could assure the Hon. Gentleman, that so far - from wishing to avoid any division that might be useful or honourable to the individual, that he was persuaded his case would not be prejudiced by it. He wished it to be understood, that he did in no degree abandon the idea of a division, Sir W. SCOTT, in allusion to what had been said of the Duchess of Cumberland, observed that no man could dewy that while she. 11,..d been in this country she had discharged, in the most distin guished manner, the duties of her situation ; and therefore, he observed, with peculiar satisfaction, tl►e disposition of the House in her favour. He was confident that what had been rumoured never had any rational ground whatever, and therefore mus; be rejected by every honourable mind as un deserving of the leis( attention. The only ground on which the House on a former occasion refused the grant was, that its opinion had not been taken on the marriage, and that there was a suspicion as to character ; but after that character had been so fully justified, he would say that the House would not now act with consistency if it disap proved of the proposition ; and with this view he would call on the House to make that provision which was generally given to the other branches of the Royal Family. . . Mr. PROTHEROE argued strongly against the proposition, and insisted that if ever there was a vote which was sanctioned by the general sense of the country, it was that that negatived the same resolution two years ago. If the House should be induced by any thing they had heard to retract that vote, it would fill the country with disgust. He would say that some Gentlemen , had stated the former arguments most unfairly. But it would seem there had been consistency in a certain high quarter; and l►e hoped the House w;,,uld imi tate that consistency, and thus entitle themselves to general respect. _ _ _ Mr. \VROTTRSLEY, in expbtuation, defended his previous observations, and denied that he had matte any misrepresentation of the Hon Baronet's opinion. He was proceeding to allude to what had occurred on the occasion in •question, when he was called to order by the Chairman, who re presented that no refereuce . could be made to the language of n former debate. Sir T. ACLAND was of opinion, that if any thing were calculated to prejudice the question, it was the part that had been taken to bring it to a di►'i cion, decidedly contrary to the general opinion of the House. It was an example set by those ill juding friends to prevent the House from retain ing its proper feeling. He wished the House to consider whether it was likely the settlement could be obtained if a division took place. He should abstain entirely from using any argument to which tl►e Hon. Gen•len►a4) had so sedulously invited hin►. If he had erred last night it was uninten tionally, and be must be excused from observing, that he believed what lie had said was perfectly consistent. Ile could not consent to this motion, tro►n the motive of wishing to keep in a consis tent path, and he .would not be led away by the overwatinth of any misinling friends of_the - mo tion. Lord STANLEY said, he was not in the House at the time this question was decided before ; but if he had been, he should most decidedly have voted against Government. He held the same opinion as strong as ever. He would not be induced to go into a topic so extremely unpleasant ; but .the example that had been held oot was not one which he wished to see followed in this conntry ;- and he felt most deely for !be situation of the Roy , ti Di c. Ile was ready ho allow lb,:t the Conduct . of his Royal Lady had been unexcept., tionable sio'ce her :!!-li‘al in England, but this in.ide nn :lteration, in his opinion, respect ing the vote that had been come to on a fin Eller occasion.. Mr. Dotrof,Ns felt it his duty to give his vote for ilLe questi , m, hi , Royal Highne— , came to thefloase under vcry different circumstances from his 40v , d ltirol her, and he deemed it inctun, bent on the Hoube to put this Personage in (be saufe degree of credit as the others who had married. Mr. GuitN Y argued, that after the grant to the Duke w Canibridie had been carried, it %void(' be the height of injustice !o 'refuse that to thy. Duke ut Cumberland. He :p; . 6teSted against the most cruel and unfair lani.viage that, it appeared to him, had been made use of. , expressed his opinion that there was no ground for oppOSl3g the vote He 1-tad bad an opportunity of knowing the circumstances which led to the marriage ; for the Illustrious In dividual had desired at the time that ire would peruse the coi'respondenee, and he had never re ceived a more striking impression of the neces sity of justice being done to that individual.-7 The Hon. Gentleman was pi oceedin; to detail the particulats of the correspondence, when he Wag. called to order by Lord Castlereagh, Mr. Brog den, and the Chancellor of the Exchequer then said he bowed to the set‘: , e of the 1-louse, but that he wished, by stating certain facts, to re' move an injurious impression which seemed tO have prevailed respecting that Illustrious Lady. Col. BunTON %vas understood to say, that - tront a sense of dirty he should have opposed this-mo tion, if - there had not been a majority in favour of that for the. Duke of Crmbridge. Mr. W. ELLIOT said, that no man was more anxious than he was to see every member of the Royal Fat'Oy suitably provided for.. But if it was necessary to consider their situation, it was necessary to consider also the means of the coup- , try. In smaller States, the provision made for the Governments of them were in proportion to their ability. This country was certainly a great anti an opulent country, but at the present mo ment it laboured under severe distress.—lt had nobly sustained a long and an unparalleled con test, and it surely deserved a better return from the House than the imposition of new and un necessary burthens. Wheo he stated this view of the condition of the country, he knew it was capable Q f emerging frotn it ; but great distress still existed, anti there was no way -of inducing the people to bear with it patiently, but a s=ympa thy for, and a p,rticipation in, it on the part - of those who were in ernin,nt stations. The nonce should never for.;et the principle of that duty which they owed to the country. He confessed. that, -in the case of the Duke of Clarence, there was some necessity for tic provision which was made ; but ai to the junior Oranches of the Royal Family, he thought they were provided for with sufficient liberality. In this view they certainly harl no claim for an additional provision upon their marriage. The same principle which had induced him to vote before against a grant to the Duke of Cumberland still operated tipon him. The pre sent proposition was certainly not advised dis creetly, and he was sure that it would not be for the character of the House to retract the vote which they had formerly given upon this subject. He was actuated by no motive, save a conscien., Lions one, in his vote ; lie was not detracting from the splendour of the Royal Family, for he sincerely thought, that the loss of any extraordi nary state uould be amply compensated by that solid and stable dignity which they would acquire, by being venerated more highly throughout the country. He should vote for the rejection of the proposition. Sir E. BRYDGES said, he would not detain the House a moment ; but he could not give quite a silent vote. He had by an accident been exclud ed by business in a Committee Room when the grant to the Royal Duke had been lost on a di vision three years ago. If he should have voted for it then, he saw numerous additional reasons for doing so now. However unpopular it might then have been been, he would always avoue, what -he felt. Mr. CANNING said, uncpsestionably if Ministers could have chosen, by any wish of their's, a time fur bringing such questions forward, it would have sbewn a very ill taste in their councils to select the present year for agitating the subject of Royal Marriages. But there was a necessity for taking those steps, in order to preserve the Succession to the Royal F,mily, in consequence of the ca lamitous event that had lately happened—an event which no human foresight could hare anticipated or averted : and it was easy to believe, that if Nlinisters had suffered this Session to pass awaF without taking those steps to supply the line which had been broken down, they would have been. more heavily charged with a breach of duty, than they were now incOlpated for acting as - they had clone. Such grants had hitherto met the approbation of the House, when not only one, but more than one of the branches of the Royal •Family were on the point of contracting, or hact actually contracted, matriages. But be saw not how it.would have been 'possible, without making an individual selection, to have brought forward. one case only for the approbation of the House ; nor did he see how the selection could have been made. But the vote now before the [louse was made on the very opposite ground to that of selection; because the adtiption of it wool;( not be a preference, but the exclusion of it would have been a stigma. He was not o ne who would weigh precisely the degree of influence that the former vote ought to have on this occasion. The circutustanc(s were en tirely diffetent, not only as to that individual, but as to one of the mat ried sons of the King and if the House omitted to improve his condi tion, they must ground their refusal on some par ticular incidental to himself. His Noble Friend could do no otherwise, on bringing forward these propositions, than to state that he had to submit to the consideration of the House the question re lative to the Duke of Cumberland ; because, if he had omitted it, it would have been taking on hint the exclusion and the affixing of thy stigma. Yet,