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I 41. f; E i!AL P-4.li s L E • HOUSE OF PEERS, TUESDAY, FEB. 9. In an appeal from the Court of Chancery iu " Stafford v. Drowe," Mr. Fonhlanque and Mr. Owen were heard for the appellant. Further hearing on Friday. • Adjoarned till to-morrow itilis day). HOUSE OF COMMONS. TUESDAY, YEB. The following Members were returned by ballot , serve on tho Stleet Committer~ on the Saltash Petition : • Hon. C. Ashhuttori Wm. Spencer Stanhope, Esq. Lord Viscount Hamilton C. S. Let:evre. Esq. herkeley Portman, Esq. J. Paterson, Esq. Henry Clive, Esq.. • lames firo , .;den, Esq. Peter Wm. 'taker, Esq. Geore,o Longman, Lai. Hon. E. C. Cocks I Lord C. H. Somerset. C. Vereker..Esq. Richard WhartonoEsq. and W. Adams, RV'. Nominees. ON COMMITTEE. HORSHAM ELECT: 'The following is the lis the committee for trying EleCtion Petition : H. Facie, Esq. Blackburn , Esq. . Hibberr, Esq. Hon. C. Dundas Henry Bonham, Esq. A. H. Eyre, Esq. R. lienyon, Esq. Sir 1. ti. Astley, Bart. The Curate's Bill was read a first titre, and order ed to be read a second' time to•nitmovv. • of Members ballotted on :he merits of the Horsham Sir I. St. Attbyn, Bart. David Clephane, Esq. T. R. Cuthbert, Esq. Nt. D. ht.gens, Esq. Hon, W. 11. Lytt leton G. liceltilrd, Esq. Hetsry Ikiartyu, Esq. Mr. Iit.I3IaSSON moved, that there should be .laid before the House, Cop;es of a further Comm niemion 'betWeen the Treastiry and the Cie: emirs of the Bank, respe6ting the suns of 500,0001. which was proposed to be advanced upon the 'unclaimed Dividends. The faa was, that there had been botne little misapprehenSion with respea to those dividends. The Governors'of the Bank had sup posed that those dividends were what had been unclaimed for half a year, while the Treasury in tended those which had been nneklithed for a whole ruarter. The Governors of the Bank, applivd to „ their rropr t ietors, and obtained their consent on the first supposition. Finding, however, that there was some misapprehension, another communication took place, which he uow, moved tc..—Ordered, Sir JOHN NEt PORT moved, That a COpy of the Charter of the Bank of Ireland, together with the Bye I aws„ - which govern that Body in the elec tion of Directors and Governors, should be laid be tore the House. The reason for his motion was, that he understood that a negociation was going for ward for the renewal of that Charter, and he con sidered that there was something so contrary to libe rality and justice in those Bye-laws, that he thought it would be necessary to lay them before the House. He understood there was in them a clause of pro scription and exclusion against a large portion at the People of -Iteland (we prestxne he meant ilk: Ca-; tholics).: Such an exclusion in a Corporation pore ly commercial could not be follnded in any jus tifiable motive.---The Papers moved for were order ed accordinv,ly. GRANT TO THE DUKE OF YORK, Sir FRANCIS BURDETT rose to 'request in formation from the Gentlemen on the other side of the House, upon a subject - which bad occupied some: share of public attention. He heard that his Ma jesty had been advised to grant large sums of money, taken from nations v, ith wi l om we were not at war, to his [loyal nighties , ' the Duke of York, He wished to knoW whether this was the fad; and if so, under what authority those sums were granted ? • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sail, that it was true that a grant of 20,0001. had been made to the Duke of York out of the hoceeds of condemned Prizes. The amount of the grant wag precisely the sante which had been before made to all the other younger Princes of the Royal Family. As to the right of the Crown , in this resped, it was pvrte , 'dy acl;powledg, ; l; and although the Ships in quition were taken liefore war had commenced, .yet it must bo Teconea c d, that we were actually at war before they were con demned. Sir FRANCIS BURDETT felt obliged to the night Elan. Gentleman for the information he had given him, but tbodght it his duty to give notice, that he would take au enly•uppertlntity of bring ing th 6 whole subjti6t beft:re the consideration of the House, INDIA PAPERS. Lord FOLKS7'OI‘'E, after tt very short preface, moved for certain Priperii relative to the Traiisnetioim in (hock:, during,the administration 04: the Marquis Wellesly, Fle ohs:lvy& that t course he .hould pursue, woblki be to move, en the clay fixed the disewzion, certain lt(:.0)lotioiti on the then bet. wiz,lie.l to fix ti ;..t day for )11()tH:ty the it2d'. tOO% nis °Nilo topity of express ing lai;i opinion, that theloi:st twslii or 'proceeding would not be that which the Noble Lord had stated, but that it would he bc;ter, to refer the Papers to a Committee, to amine and make . their Reports. The Papas already, printed were so voluminous, that it was dillicult indeed for the House to under stand the subjeO unless the necessary Papers were seleeted in thii manner. The subjeet way very cam-. prehensire, extendin7; to the hale system of policy in India for a conNidehtble It mould be re tlot with re.,pt to the policy of the Marqui.;:; ,Goternment, the Judta Dirators .bad, with onaohnity unprecedented against the opi. flint) of Uoveruntent, &Tided by a mzijorny of 23 DireCtori out of Q 4, j'iainst, the Noble Marquis. When Government attcyivards sent the Martinis Cornwallis to succeed him, thty evidently disap prtAed of his administration. 10 thought it was necelo,ary tl. t the dispatches of Lord Cornwallis, expressing his opinion of the cond6a of his prede. tessur, iihould be laid before the House. Mr. Et. D UND.IB thotight it was nnusual to to; (*.try with •any .Niember in the manner in which he alight think proper to bring forward any bu,iot,6 bt'wre that E10n5,;,.. When the Noble Lord 511tild britt:4 forward his ftesolutions, that would bt, the proper time fur otrei tug suet übservations pis oc rt.vr,d to :toy other It on. Uentiernan tuf the subject. it appeared to him, that ati t,1i03„; Papers had been already near four years before the House, it would be the best way to proceed to a vote upon those Pa pers. The general policy of the system of Govern ment in India would be brought before the House for distassion in another shape. Sir 4. IPELLESLEY said, that it had always been his wish, and that of all the friends of the Noble Marquis, that the House should come to a decision with as much speed as was consistent with due consideration. His 'Noble Relation was in a most unpleasant saltation. Four years had now elapsed since the subje& was first introduced, and it was near two years since the Noble Lord had moved for Papers. It must be painful to the feelings of any individual to have such charges hanging over his. bead for an indefinite length of time; and the conse quence which he thought would be likely to pro ceed from ppointing a Committee would he, that the House would be four years longer before it came to a decision. Mr. LUSHINGTON observed, that the Right Hon. General was under a mistake, in saying the hlnineSs had been four years before the House, as it had been introduced in May, 1806. Sir 4. IrELL4SLEY admitted, that he bad not been exailly corre&, but the Hon. Member was less so; for instead of May, 1806, iti was May, 1805. Lord .TEMPLE said, he felt still the anxiety that he had. always expressed that This business should be brought to a speedy vote. He thought it injustice to the feelings of any individual to have • such charges hanging over his head fora great length of time; and therefore he wished that the question should be put to rest, and that Lord Wellesley's charader should be settled one way or the other. It would be rixolleeted, that he formerly pressed anxiously 'for a decision, but wi s at 'that time op posed by the friends of the NoLle Marquis at the other side of the House. . The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER re plied, that no opposition which ((Add, at that time, have been made by him, or any t f his friends, was likely to have produced any etre& on the House, if some of the friends of the Noble Lord (Temple) had nut concurred in the justice of their observa tiOns. He considered that the 1 roper time to urge objections to the 'Noble Lord's (Lord Folkstane's) Resolutions would be on the day that he should pro pose them to the House. Mr. IHNDHAiII allowed that he had then con curred in opinion with the Right Hon. Gentleman, at the same time that he 'did justit e to th 6 very pro per feelin,gs.of the Right Han. Baronet (Sir A. Wel lesley), who wished to bring it to a speedy decision: yet it appeared try him that the best way of under standing the whole of the bailie°, was to refer it to e Committee, to select out of the voluminous-Pa pers which had been printed those which were most necessary for the consideration of the House. Mr. IVELLESLF,Y POLE expressed some sur ptise that Gentlemen opposite to him should now propose to go into a Committee upon this subject, . as it the topic never hqd been before the House: was it forgotten that it had been in 'discussion re peatedly, ever since 1805 ? He heartily approved of the mode proposed by the Noble Lord ; andcon cnrred in his motion for the Papers he had moved for ; but he was averse to the mode of proceeding by it Committee. bird AIiCHI4 4 ILP HAMILTON spoke in fa- VoUr of the Gornmittee. ' Lord FOLKESTONE felt himself rather unfor tunate, that on this occasion those Gentlemen Who had been all along opposed to his opinion upon this , topic, now agreed with him. He was averse to a CoMmittee, because he • was convinced it Was not the proper place for discussing the merits of the case, or the proper tribunal before which to censure or criminate the condo& of the Noble Marquis. The motion was then put, and carried in the affir mative: .. LORI) CORNWAI.II.IS's LE'I"MS. Mr. CREEPEY, pursuant to his notice, rose to Move for .the productive of certain Letters, written home from India, by the late'Marquis Cornwallis, to the Court of India Directors, and the Secret Come mittee at the India-house, containing that Noble Lord's opinions and suggestions respecting the trans aCtioris of the British Government in India, under the administration of Marquis Wellesley, with se. veral of the Native Priuces, and particularly with the Peishwa, the Mahrattas, the Nizam, and in the affairs of the Poohna. He concluded by moving, that there be laid before the House Copies of all . Letter written home to the India Direelors and Se er, t Committee, by the Marquis Cornwallis, from the time of his arrival in India; in 1805, to the limo of death, togetlla with their inclosuresi and also Copies of all other Papers on India Affairs, written by the said Marquis during the said period, and communicated by his . Secretary to the Court of Dire:Aerie or Secret Committee, since his death. Mr. D (MUMS said he felt some embarrass ment as to the propriety. of complying with the .Hon. ,Gentleman 6 motion, to a part ( of which, he conceived, it would , be improper to concede, namely,. the produClion of the Paper last mentioned by the Hoe. Member, and conneunietited to the Direaors by the INlarquis's Secretary after his death. He did notfeel the propriety of assenting to the Motion of the Hon. Gentleman, upon the mere alledgteeet that they were Papers of importance, and ought to be belOre the House. Besides, there were other points on which it would be highly imprudent to grant some of• those Papers, as the consequences might endanger the lives of persons in India, who had been extremely serviceable to the British Go» vernment. Lprd TE, I IIPLE expressed some astonishment that the Right lion. Gentleman should object to .the Motion of his Hun. li'riend fbr.the Papers, upon the pretence that he had laid no Parliamentary ground before the House, and that there was no topic proposed for discussion upon which those Papers could be relevant. He desired to know, then, if the Right. Hon. Gentleman had forgotten the notice he himself had given to the House of bringing forward for considerattcm the affairs of India ? Atel was, not this Parliamentary ground upon which to demand 'the produOion of every docurnent that could throw any light upon a se e_ jeet,of so much importance to the British Empire'? Mr.,DLTA DAS %aidi'lie had by no means forgot_ ten the notice he had given ; nor had he, in any d e _ gree, elian;led Ins intention; but he had 'not limit ed himself, in that notice, to the precise topic of India atthes to Much he meant to call the atten tion 0'p:101;1rue:1r. The topic, however, Which be had in view was that of the financial affairs of India. Mr. WALLACE joined in the obje&ion made by Mr. Du:ldas to the production, as well. of the un signed letter of the Marquis, as to some of the let ters which it would be dangerous to produce. Most of the others were already before the House ; and it was, he observed, rather extraordinary, that the Hon. Gentleman who now moved for those Papers, was one of those very persons who upon a former occasion, in the last Parliament, voted against a simi lar motion. Lord H. PETTY expressed astonishment at the opposition of the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Dundas) to the produCtion of those Papers, contain ing, as they did, 'the opinions and suggestions of a wise, experienced, and patriotic Nobleman, upon a subjeEt of so much importance as the British inter ests. in India, and the transactions of the British Go vernment in that quarter of the globe. It was a iubjed of vital importance to this Country, which would speedily and inevitably force itself forward on the serious consideration of Parliament ? 'Did the Right Hon. Gentlenian • mean to mislead the House of of into any Resolution upon the subjectof India Finances without laying on the table every document necessary to the fullest infor mation upon India Affairs? He hoped the House had already been put on its guard against such con du& in the official organ of the India Government, by a late transaction, and that it would not suffer itself to be' seduced to any decisions upon a sub jea sd closely atfeCting the interests of the British Empire, with suppressed information, garbled docu ments, or partial extracts, but insist on the fullest information. Mr. WINDHAM supported' the same argument, and saw no reason why the unsigned paper should not also be produced, if it contained any important information. Mr. ()REMY said, that since the Right Hon. Gentleman had. now - avowed his intention of only bringing forward for consideration the • financial affairs of the Company, he should now obviate all ob jealous to his Motion on the score of not having laid a Parliamentary ground ; for he pledged himself to bring forward the political Whirs of the Company for consideration. - Lord FOLKESTONE denied that the Papers in question had any bearing upon the Oude subjed ; tor they contained the opinion of Marquis Corn wallis, in condemnation of the Subsidiary Treaty with the Nizam, founded precisely on the same principle as that with the Nabob of Oude, , namely, the Grant in perpetual Sovereignty of a Territory valued at sixty lacks of rupees, to liquidate a Subsidy of forty lacks. Mr. G. JOHNSTONE recommended to the Hon. Member who made this Motion an amend ment, by direCting It merely to the letter of the 25th August,, which would answer all his purposes. The Motion being put, was carried in the affirm. , alive. Lord Mani moved for an Account, shewing the Imports and Exports •of Great Britain, for the last three years, ending the Ist of January last, with the Real and Official Value, distinguishing each year, and also British Manufature • and Produce from Foreign Merchandizes. Also, an Account shewing the Imports to and from the United States of America and Great Bri tain, for the same period, and under the like dis tinctions. Also, an Account shewing the value of Provi sions, Lumber, and other Commodities, imported into the British - West India Islands, and the Coun tries from. whence imported, within the same pe• riod, so far as the same can be made up.—Or dered. .• Mr. WH A RTON reported from . the Committee of Supply their Votes for the Navy Service.-- r ßeports agreed to. Committed the Exchequer Bills, Issue and Pay ment - Regulation : to be-reported . to-morrow.---- Adjourned at nine o'clock. • MAILS. Attatven—t Waterford. Du a-7 Gottenburgh, 2 Water ' ford. THE SUN. JOLLY( QUI{ DICERS IALSUM AUDEAT ? •L 0 AT D 0 IV, 'WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 10, 1808. Ix n subsequent column Wit be found some Ex traCts from American Papers, which, though not of a later date than those which had previously reached us, are important, as they contain the details of the proceedings in Congress upon' the Bill for laying an Embargo upon all American Vessels. IT appears that the grant of 20,0001. lately made to the DUKE of YORK by His MAJESTY, out of a Fund which he has legally and constitutionally a right to dispose of, is to be made a subject of Parlia mentary diSclusion, and the question is to be brought forward by Sir FRANCIS BUUDETT. With respeCt to the right of His MAJESTY to dispose of the Fund in question there can be no doubt, because the proper ty wising from what arc termed Droits of Admiralty is absolutely vested in the Crown. But whether Sir FRANCIS means to dispute His MAJESTY'S right to dispose of this fund, or to questiol the propriety of the application of it in the present' instance, we do not know. Indeed, from the reports of Sir FRAticts's,Speech, as given in the public Papers, he appears to have known very little upon , the sub. jeCt—not even what a Droit of Admiralty was. It was admitted a few days ago, in the leading Oppo sition Paper, that HiS MAJESTY had applied a Very large portion of this fund to the public service ; and that he bad a right to make the grants in question to the younger Branches of the ItoYAS. FANtr.y, can not, we think, admit of a doubt in the mind of any reasonable man, as the Ivy now stands. nit Opposition Writers appear to darrive great sa tisfaction from the difference of opinion w1114:h pre' vails between Lot:it litrrcnlNSON ani Hitt Majesty's Alinistera, with respeet to Denmark ; but they seen totally to have forgotten that the °pillion' given by Lord lluTcurracm, in his speech on Monday, as , far asrelates to the cause of the rupture between this Country and Russia, is dire&ly at variance with the charges which they have so perseveringly and cla morously brought against Ministers. One of the grounds upon which they have condemned the Co penhagen Expedition with the most violence wa% that it had alienated the mind of the Emperor ALEX ANDER from this Country, and induced him to join in the Confederacy. Now what is the language of Lord HuircnrxsoN, as given in the Morning Chr . o. nide " It has been stated in another place, that I had given an opinion, that if the attack on Copenha gen bad not taken place, Russia would not have gone to war with this Country. My Lords, I never gave any suck opinion, nor do 1 mean to say Mat if that event had not taken place there would have teen no 11 , ar with Russia, but 1 mean to say, that the result of that Expedition `‘ did materially change the relations between Goat Britain and Russia,and give rise to sentiments of a " very hostile nature at the Court of Petersburgh." What his Lordship means by the result of the Expedition, as distinguished from the Expedition itself, we do not know, but it is at least clear, that he is anxious not to be understood as having given an opinion that if the attack upon Copenhagen had not taken place there would have been noWar with Russia. If that was not the cause of the War, as we and convinced it was not, it follows, almost as a matter/ of course,' that the rupture between this Country and:Russia took its rise from the fatal interviews at Tilsit, and the secret engagements entered into there. It is true that in the interviews between the Emperor of RessrA and Lord HUTCIIINSON, the former is stated to have expressed himself amicably towards this Country. If the dispos'itions of the Emperor of ItussiA were really amicable to this Country at that time—it there were no Secret Artiel4s in the Treaty of Tilsit that were hostile to us, we beg then to ask, what has occurred since to cause War ? We have never heard but two grounds serious ly assigned as the cause of the War . between this Country and Russia—ist, the Secret Engagements at Tilsit; and, 2dly, our attack upon Copenhagen; but Loup Hurcuissos thinki the War did not par' coed from our attack upon Copenhagen. The ob' vious inference then is, that it arose from the Rade Stipulations at Tilsit, and must have been deter mined upon at the very time of these amica• ble conversations to which his Lordship alludes.-- But if any doubt could exist upon this point, it must be removed by the statement.of Lord G. L. Gower• What were the steps taken by the Emperor ALSX• ANIAR, immediately after his return from Tilsit , with dispositions so perfealy amicable towards Country ? He sends for his Minister of Marine--; .he gives directions for the equiprnentof his Fleet--► he visits Cronstadt, and gives orders for repairing the Fortifications. Against whom were these preparations made ? Against Great Britain evidently ; and wha t ground had the Emperor - of Russia to expe& hostility from Great Britain ? not because he had made Peace with France, for theßrithih Governtnent 'had cfistinalr explained its sentiments to his Imperial Majesty twon that subje&. It must have been because he Ittle.w he had entered into engageinents With BUONAPAUTE which would force him into hostilities With tho Country. We shall take a future opportunity of Mak j o g some further observati ons upon t h e d e tails given by Lord HUTCH INSOT ; we merely wished to shot' that, with respeEt to the cause of the War with B us- sia,the Oppositi on are d ec id e dl y at issue w ith that Noble Lord, whose o pi n i on t h ey t hink entitled to such implicit deference. We are concerned to see a Morning Paper P elle• vere in saying, that the want of provisioba Por n° Sir It. STRACH AN t o qu it hi s stat i on , and even to insinuate, upon the repori ofa private letter, that Sir It. STRACHAN himself made a com plaint to tha t ciftia, after the contradietion which we gave, from authority, oft his groundless assert ion. We can ven ture to assert, that Sir it. STACtIAN, on the contrary, has made acknowledgments of themost ample P 1. 6" vision, and that he was supplied in - due time for the execution of any national service. - Yesterday about twelve o'clock, their n0g 51.159 and the PRINCESSES arrived at thc Queen's Pah ° from Windsor. Soon after, her MAJESTY, Pr in. cesses ELIZARETIT, MARY; SopitiA, and Arue.wA, honoured Lady C. FtN cif with a visit at her apar t ' ments in St. James's Palace. lit the evening th eir ,MAJEsrtES had a seleCt party to tea and cards. His MAJESTY will hold a private Levee anti Privy Council at the Queen's Palace. Her MAJESTY will hold a Drawing-Roo:u, t°' morrow, at St. James's Palace.. Prince ESTERMAZY, Cotint POTOCKY, Major 111 Alt• five, rind sotne'other persons helougiOg- to ill° lUi t 9 trian Legation, left town yesterday' on their r 0 . etur? the Continent.