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to for and irry -):ll- 'ty, td !;i9 ny, not' lie: d a )11-- ter Trfr WO . 2ey r ar- Le ru !x — lest t \6 \ WO° ‘v a; )i tO 0 . pp .ld; ga" ths chit the thd ake ;)a- J Nir test the 10 7 1 if -er sd use a$ bry: Ut e, ed. O S 1 iLe nion of Mr. Fox, that there was no `resemblance between this case and t hat of the Revolution, in which opinion he most cordially agreed. As to the. objearons started 'against the restrictions citron the. liegent, • he' maintained th3t there Was not,,a soli-_ Lary instance to the conrtary. It it, was necessary to place guards upon the exercise of, the functions entrusted' to his Ro)al Highness,' he thought that, notwithstanding the very high optition which he,ene tertained of that august person, it would be for the benefit of. the country.-that such 'restrictions would be imposed. Lord PORenEsTsa maintained that=botit Houses "of Pat li3ment were legally competent to provide for the deficiency. in the Executive. The - Noble Lord cotnbated . the arguwents addnced by the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Perceval) on the former evening, and , conterided that the analogy in point of principle the same now as in ,the 'Revolution ; that on that. occasion the functions of Royalty were .;; So now, it was - rrquisite to provide ter the absence of the exercise of those functions w hien:tn e unfortunate malady of the Sovereign has occasioned. fie denied that the opposition, in 1 7 88 wasetisthe Rt. Ilon.Gent had asserted, " the disgraceful offspring of patty-fury." The gedueu of objet tionwhch the Hon. Gentleman made to the precedent of the Parlianient of beland in point of address to his Royal fliehtiess, Was e hevbelieted, ter these reason' ; that2.teey would tot,adopt the line of ploceediag of the Irish Parlia- . Meni, becacse , that Parearneet would not - do ho rteig,e to the measure of Mr. Pitt. Was there. any neoot .that 'the .King, reco‘ery, condenieed oedisapproved of the conduct of the Irish 'Parka meet Were, the. proceedings. rescinded.? Cer tainly not. It was fair, therdoce, to conclode, 'that sue n disapproval was not inanileisted. He contend: Li, in an. elaborate speech, for the necessity, of proe et-.iing by Address. • MeeLocteumer stated that there were three pre cedents,- viz. , that in the reign Of Charles lite FirSt, the period of the Revolution (which cand"not bear on 1115 preseut case, beeaU‘e 'there was nee in ,point of last . any - Monarch) and the precedent of 1788. The: Tin-one now being full, could not be said as apply in point to the precedeet at the, revolution. To comply with that precedent would in the House. be d.eteliction of the duty as Representatitei of the People, (trey owed to their Constituents. reoe CtIANCELLOIt of the EXG“CLIJEtt sail, he was perfectly satisfied as to the way the debate had turned out, -and the manner ,it was conducted Re wished to explain himself,' on account :of the' , I\loble,Lord (Porcheater) having addressed him, for the definition of the law and right in this case. He Would answer him, that the law was the necessity. The Hun. Baronet (Sir . Francis Burdett) says there is not any necessity., It putliin io mine of a cet tairr animal between two 'bundles .of :hay, and he could not make choice of either. A. charge lied been made against him that lie left oot•of his.con= sideration all precechnt but that of .1788; this ws a mistake, for what he did. state was, Chr.it in . 1788 they,had all .the.preCedents; before them, and ii d .wine to a , ; conclusion;. and by entering into theM again e w cold only ohs. ore the light. Tile p ee6eut of the Revolution was a eery proper one for, a similar case, but the present -was net by any means so. . He, was , surprised at the at gument of th Finn. Gentlemen eppoSite, that the . mode proposed by him was illegal, and that which they contend ed tor was not,. and at the same time they 'told them • it : was only to substitute an Address tor a Bill ;, it one was illegal, the other was. They bad been told. they \vete legislating - .without the Toird Eteate; it was true, at d it would be illegal under any other circumstances. -- 4 had also been-said, tli t 1' the t Houses of Par liament passed the Bill, the Loid Chancy-Nor . night reTpke to 4ffix t tte Great Seal. Way ueon tee same principle tht , Loid Ct+antellor wig retuse to affix or ,toieszrip the: Seal upon. an Address of the two lions , : did not fnean to av 'that the Chan celor would refuse 0 obey the :pl , *ure of the two :Houses, Whethete' , .expressed by Bill or by Address, tie .only meant to say, the .possibility Was the : sat - lie in. but i , t canes. • '•_ He. had:never contended, nor , been urged by any GelitlLrnan;Whb,Supportd :the resolution that t mode of proceeding which had been adopt- ed was free from objection or 'frein'clifficurnies ; on the contrary,' ht' had, admitted therd in the, fullest extent, and had justified theM upon thr ably - ground on which they were justifiable, natnel the iinpe lions necessity. of the case. He confesSed, lijnise4 astonished that- the Gentlemen oppwire e fe 'with' that acuteness which they possessed,shduld Lave objected to the plan be proposed, City he ground of illegality or informality, when every one of these objections applied with equal _it not greater force to .. the mode which they proposed to adopt. The Gentle- , • man opposite tO him had, in Speaking of, the, means , of obtaining the Sign Manual, made use of the words : fiction, fraud, and 'many other, hard terms ; but, eaid.Mr. Perceval, I should he glad to ask them whether, if their plan of proceeding by Address Were adopted, the same objections wOuld nut in. and theSanie language might not be used?-. Sup pose both Houses of Parliament should agree to ad dreis'his Rdyal',l-lighness.to take upon himselWite office of Regent ; I desire, speaking-in' legal strict . Less, to know how the Great Seal could be used in a rnannßr less objectionabie than by . the mode I have proposed ? The Regent would order the Chancellor to apply the Great. Seal; but the Great Seal can only be -applied' by an order under the Sign Manual. klow_theti would the Regent give the order to the Chancellor I:wis'a the Gentlercen opposite to me' Would answer that question; buereally, if i may judge Irom - their manner, 'I should thick they have not made up their minds upon the subjeat Would Regent,:so 'appointed; communicate the order tinder his own signature If he did,. I should be glad to know if • their plait is not liable to exactly. the same objection as mine ? In both cases the 'Sign Manual tvould be wanting. Would the Re gent issue the order, affixing the -King's signature ? , If he did, would Gentlemen contend, speaking in legal strictness, that that was ihe Sign Manual ? But a Right Honourable Gentleman opposite to t use qnoted, for another purpose, an Ad of Henry : VIII. which makes it high treason to forge the K.ing's'Sign Manual ; I beg. therefore the House Will consider the .difficulties that would folloW from the aciorlfloti of the plan suggested' by the Gentle ' men oppoSite•to me. lithe Regent issued the order forithe use. of the Great` Seal,' under his own sigha ture, therrthie Sign 'Manual •would be \wanting 'Just as much as it would .heby.the ninde, I propose. if the. Regent affixed the' King's-,signatpre, 4era_ the sratuteof Henry VIII. would apply. So that il;t: only difference, between he' plan of the Gentlemen on the other side and.mine,:..is, that they, would re commend that the first at of the Regent shnuld•be an7.aet of ltigli treason ! ! I know very well a hat in such a case Parliament would 'afterwards pass an as to sanaion theineasure. I am, only contending that, in legal strielness,.. their , pUp is quite as objealionable as Mine,. and that all whiCh Gen- Jlemen-"have said'- about fitStion and fraud; apply, quite as strongly to the_mpde Which , they- recom mend as it can to the other.. But beg Gentlemen to recollect that there are. many very grave. and im portant occasions iii which the Sign Manual is ne cessary, well as , in .the one to which we have been alluding. Suppose: we . were, to proceed by i;Vity of AddreSS, and the Regent. was called : upon to put the Sign Manual to a' Commission'for ing a Cow t-Martial,; KUPpOSe person accused, convicted, and sentenced ro die, and aquestion ptit to the JUdges whether the CoMmission under which he was tried, not being signed by the King, though purpoTtig ao bear his siguatute, was a valid one, what would. he their answer.? I am .strongly in clined to think that they would be of Opinion that the man ought not to be executed; because it will be recolketed . that it is tornpetent to aver against the Sign,lYl:tttia 1, 't hone h not against the Great Seal.— It 'woutd be a warier. of gre.it ,doubt, therefbre, ,wht tl ec such a Conaussion would e valid one. .Novi the cour.i,e we, propose, to adopt is free'f'rom tlits objection ; we clothe ourselves in legafforms, and have thei=efore a sound/ At:. the sant«.. ii tae L admit . that' it is only legal from 'the- ;tn. Solute necessity of the-case: • S p in:: ,observations, have been made, and I think not quite fairly,. uopn' what I 'said about the proceedings of; the Parliament in Ireland. It has been insinuated that I spoke with 'disrespect of that precedent. ThebargnMents I used to chew that it did not apply, might not be smis . fa6tory, but certainly they were nor disrespectful.----. I said there, were'thaterial distioelieus beiw,enthe jwQ e,es, and pointed them out ; 'buz nothing could be Inraher from my intention ,than to:seak Slightingly or direspedtfully of ..the Parliament of Ireland. A Right Honourable Gentleman, oppos,te 'to nee,- who ex, , ressed himself strongly in favour of the mode of ptoceeding by Address; has endeai-one ed to illustrate his argument by_a case from private; life, though h admitted that such exaMples 'were 'very seldom applicable to public questiots. Su'prios, said the, Right Honourable Gentleman,' tha: three . Gentlemen were Trustees a an estate, and that one of them had the power el aczyng by agent, and suppose arse tliar the Trustee lia"ving t..at power, became incapable-of acting for a tin , e, what would y say, said the Right Honourable .G tat e man, if the t wo other Trustees v., ere to go. tc, agent and desire him td act in the name of his ;qui .dmitie; the time of his incapacity ? • Why, 'Sir, I do not think' the twp retitaining :would be quite in, so difficult a situation ,s the Right Honourable GentlC.ean irri.gtnes; thoughHie-will'Amt allow the it Semi to b.- _rea, a state of activiiyolow, it •would t)(,, in the case he has pot ; and the two yernai;Ang - 'C'u , tees (Add-, by . an aiTI cationa to the . Lord Citancellor be soon relieved' from thIS suppos,,,:d ctitticuity. But let u• see how th , s supposed 'case ari.lie:)• to the present .question.. The Right Hon, Gentleman thinks it would be runse improper con:incl. if they_ w,re to, desire the Agent to ad tor the third Trustee: - Piay, 'does ht.thiok the ease would be much mendid it they were to proceed by way of, Address f ? Does' he think ail the difficulties would be teamed it they were to i.i4ressthe Agent or any other .person," desiring him , to execote_the duti their Colrfusl -tee ? The Right Hon,, Gentleman said he ditt.not ,like applying cases from private life to : public Ties lions, and I ant very much. inclined to tfiinli the succf.ns of this 'experiment not eery much increase his foLdness .for thit , rriode of 'illustration. 'will now, , Sir, if the House • will permit me, makao few observations upon some ar , unmits which 'were urged last n . ijit on the oilier side of the House. The n: Gentleman/ oppo..ite, (Mr. IWhitbread)'ituade - some Observatious upon the tes timony of the 'Physicians, • respeding the period of the commencement of the King's illness. He said, Doctors Bailey and Halfmi, the only two ; clans that ~woe i.tt attandauce'upon i bis 4lajesty. at that time, dill:v(2d .; opink;a as to the, tithe of the rn commetideetft:of the indisposition. Now think the Hon: Gentleman has not stated the evidence quite accurately. In page of the Report. in Sir H. Haltord's evidence; the following questions: are asked Q.Ajp. to the 28th, was his : Majesty in a slate to tranSiCl public business 'think so ; I think the King could transact pUblie business. Q. Are the Ctimitlittee to' understand, 'that, up' to the -28th of QL:rober; and on the 28th of Odober, his Majesty was in 'such a state as, if he had been a private individual, he would have been intrusted with the transaction of any thing in the management of his own concerns'? —A. I think you would not ,have been . justified; in taking from any indis idual, the power of tratisaCting his own busin,ess, if, under the circumstances that hie Majesty' was, I think I-might say, the night of the 27th of October. Now, Sir, I ask tlAGentletneri opposite,' I ask the House, whether, when his Majesty • was in a state in which it. would not be proper to take from any individual thepower of transajling kik tizen br siness, it would have ben proper for any pt:rs - on to' take upon bunsell to disobey the King's orders, and to refuse 't() execute Ins•cominands I Let us noiv look to.the evidence of. Dr. page Question. On the 25th, whenyou attended the King, nut in the,capacity in which you subsequently attended him, did youo:::)serve . any thing particular in his Majesty's . 'tnanw-r.—Answt-r, He. was" hui rigid in his wanner. That is the .observdtioty that '1 have made in my-memorandum ; that his pulse was. ai .90, and hts.eonversation hurri , ,d, and a lithe des.,;tory ;- that is, passin6 Iron) one thing a little rapidly to another; that was ah three o'clock. Q. On 26tb,, tlfe'Cornmilteei to understand, thel(ing's aialady , was establishri; ?—A. I saw torn ally, as a physician, on the 50t.11 ; h,s c;niver ,;ation then as certainly '‘Lny hurried; but I !!ee . ,,, its sny inetnOrandum, that ii w:is not irrational, al: ttiou2ll. hurried,, and not. very-- well corrnetted. / should .not have trustld to my memory for that, but !,fin a l that in my rrienzorandunt 'bot . )4 on,that day. Q. Did you think online utiia, from what you observed in his Majesty, 'tha t h e was • capa bl e of concluding business i• = A.' . l really cannot give a very accurate answer to that question I should ni ther think . ' hat he Was nor ciipable, but I would not take upon me to 'say that that is a perle, - ,tly accurate answer. • Now, Sir, I contend, that it can hirdly lie said that the Physicians differ from.each 'other, when one speaks positively, and the other Only expresses his.donbts; -and:these `doubts founded, nut upon his recollection, but upon kis ,nernirranduni. The Hon. Gentleman. adverted to the indisposition of his Majesty in iBOl and' 1804, aiid censured the Go vernment, of the former of those 'periods, for not taking_notice of his/Majesty's relapse. Sir, • say that in 1801, the 'indisposition of his •Majesty, and he nature of it, was . notorious to Parliament, and I say also that Parliament did abstan4 intentionally a'i - .stain, from taking notice of it. . After' his Ma, jeNty recovered, he had a shall relapse; but the Government finding that Parciament did not take notice of the longer indisposition, of course con- • eluded that.it woUld'not-tliink it necessary to inter tere in one that-lasted:for •so short a petiod.sThaf his Majesty's relapse in 1,801 was. kuovk IA to Parliament as weli his previous indisposition, is ohvious troth one parikular circumstance—[t was about the time of the change in Administration . ; the present-Lord- Chancellor had , then,acceptcd tne.Great Seat.; but the King relapsed so soon after he had accepted it,. that his-,LOrdship had nut 'the power of resigning the Chief justiceship of the ComthOn Pleas. It was known, that I,rotn that cirrumstancethe.then -Mas ter of the Rolls; who was to succeed to the Com mon Pleas, could not take - i be office, and for the Same.reason the ; present Master of the Rolls court not enter upon his office. Tbe tact, therefore,. of his ',Majesty's illness anu .clap.e iii 1001, wasperted ly well known, and ihele,Nire I h justified in say ing,- that. Parliament studiously abstained from no , Clog% • 1804, too, .the Honourable •Gentle man thinks there wPs:somethin4. not quite satis factory ; .bit • upon that °teastoo there was no relapse; there were some Vestiges Of the corn . plaint., spille, - ..occasionall s,)nipiorns of hurry, ,as it is stated, bat the •Ai:ricss positively says, tai: his Mojesijr I..Ca; in a complete .rate utcompetenezt . to'trans-1,:-.1 busine'ss. Sn; '1 contend that the delays which Pal:lament stlift_lrs•d- to rake place du , :Ag .the proctplin 6 , in 1738 , ~t).l Atte ,pe,riods w,.,;!, to . vidpse to 1801, atld 1804., M.iies,y's stryng i)rupi o:at t ond ,ent - teels it+ it is sb' much cool :keel the op - a tiLte:,t, it wik pause tor a lot% • '1 ii any step for that lu - pis:., 1 Ce-the te.titig U 1 Rviutm.qa thct ci“.u.listance, viz. that it did not :,1;. it) t .tny- illeaitites for establishing p: P. 6 6, ;ley, allot any of to, Of -their reetifftnce. It has h thi • t ' 1 - neen s ,„1 6 , his A.—.l Jest) 's * sfuki , iersll.ve acted upon the, present ocea stun. Sir, we have not shut our eyes to the incon 7 'keniences that i,muA exisi iu sued a state of things ; we are qui'e as sensible, of them. as the. Gentlemen on the other side. it eantlot be, supposedthat we are not a ware`of all iie , Ca , ,es na , ,e been pet, where his MjeSty's servants illaY be under the tie , ceps'!) , of giving direetions inins mune.. - We have not . b: en blind to thS:se things. Sir,,, if l't.l . itii,sters shbuld find it necessary to take such steps, I conteud they.would be justified under the particular eirctfm•; Stances of.the case ; but, they , would- adlunder a hemy responsibility, and Parliament would -be bound in duly to examine their conduit afterwards. .Sr,, lam dePpiy. cony laced that I spit& a.sirua lion' of as deep TespOnsibility as ever a Ministet stood in : it is a double responsibility, -to the public and to the King. • Sir„..l feel that to •bc o;ur situa tion, ainl Parliament pLil s t,have felt so too, in suffer ing the delays which have taken place. Gentleunen to y put w`hat Consteuetion they:please upon 'what I am going to say, but I do contend boldly before Parliament, and 4efure tnyCoutitry,. that; it under the circumstances which I have 'describe'd, any measure in any of the departments requited the Sign Manual, the Officer at the head of that department i,x . fould act most CUlPably if lie . did not issue ttie ne cessary orders to Ins inferior, upon his responsiblit • - ty. Sir, this is the - view., I 'have of the sttua`tton and of the duties of Ministe r s ; and though Gen- tleinen on the other side have thought ptOper tO losinta.he that our measures Were ihttariceed by a desire of our offices, I a ,! sure the House will not Abe of opinion that Our situatiOn is• partloi lady enviable, or • one that could be an abject .01. choice. We feel & we, admit., ail the incioni•coleLocs of the. present State of things ,but, cousiti , t; lig their duration to lie but short, are tney equal tO.l.he ventenceot appointing another person to e:ecute the func-tions of titeSovereign s or, in other words, of appointing a Regent, unl ess ' th e necessity of the case absolutely tequire4`it? -It *1 riot from :feel ings of dylicacy only that =his Majety's Mi nisters have acted, but 'Ili;01 th'e pouvictton that the preserving to his Majesty the. power ut . exercising his authlity irnare,diately upon his recovery, without the interruption.. ot; a , Re gent, .would - be a great national advantage./ The wlti2n appointed, would of course ud as he thought 'best fur the inter'ests,d. the State, and ev,n athnittirg that the plans which. Ile would adopt would be bekter th,an those now pursued„yet 1 con tend 'that this Change from a worse to a.better tent, %ill, the ptobaullity of again shortly recurring to old systein, would be nitt ell tuore loPrjobs to toe public t han, the inconvelnen.ces - Which h ave -'oeen so strongly urged by .the Ge.ntletnen on tt k e o her si.ic of the House,—Sir, G ,. -Intletert have, in :the i'liconvenienecs of our piesent si tuation, adverted to th e cas e of Sweden and of Aktiet-io4 and-to the'state dour relations with those countries.. - Sir,' it cannot be expected th a 'i now give iftly-Tarticulsr iriformittion to the-House ( t t;:t I respelling otir situation with respek ( .l to them, but I can undertake to say, that no intooveoieuce has wised with regard to either cm' thorn----S.r, the ..:elay which has taken place has b. al no covert del has oeeh perfedly open, anti t tsoa why it w asked was, fairly stated. We have had no disguise, no subterfuge ; our object was ctil ! , osooe i to P tr liament. Sir, I say kig i tin, that Alin sL7.r.s deeply tech the. heavy 'responsibility of th.-ir s4oation ;. !hey know that their conduct will necessarily he exa tniutd by ; they . know that C,ey may may have to request justice fr:on par ia'nrilt for their condud, at a titue when those woe are 'now censuring their ,condo with so much acrimony may possess a greater sway than they do at. present. Is such a situation a desirable one ? is it an 'ohiet.l of ambition ? Is it possible that any Mini or set of omen, could covet such a situation, or wish to retain it, except from, the: imperious sense of the duty which they *, : owe to thei: Sovereign, and to their Country ? I will. perform that duty to the hest of my ability, and cheerfully submit my conducl to the justice or Parliament and of my Country. It has been asked, Whether, if under - the preseut circutn sianc-S the evacuation . of Portugal, were necessary, any, order could be sent to Lord Welli ngton f or that purpose ? D o Gentlemen really that any difficulty' exists noon .such a suhjet ? po they really believe that Lord Welli6gtoo. would let:use-to obey an ordertransumit'ted to him by Lord Li- ei pool for that purpose, merely . because he had heard of his Majesty's indisposition ? Undoubtedly they do .not; the. ca,e they hate put then - is qoite'an ima ginary one: - Sir, iii time office which hate the Imo ,nour to hold, .liondy.must b e t a k en out .of the 1 - 1;x0 , -quer for theipnblic, serv i ce ;, it is the day of Ministers to see that el vice perfocoied ; amid do the; Hon: 'Gentlemen think that I woo.d 'hesitate to _draw the .. money for that p ur p ose Mete to 's d great cr, of ",hear, hear,': from the Oppo,o= tioa Bench.] - - Sir, loon unable to ,m,x , munt for*th• distinetion which fhe Gentlemen -appear to me to. make between the two ca,ses which i nave put.--• ,When I said that Ministers would flint hesitate 10 give orders for the evacuation of Portugal, if it were, B.eCeSsary, they 'see:veil, by their silence at least, to - acquiesce in what I said ; bur when spoke of applying the money voted tair.the public service, to the public service, they afec-,t great asto nishment, as it the principle of the two caves was. not time same. Sir, I repeat, that I slmoirid uo= der great iespoosibiriy,bur do Ga , tlemen think that where money has been so., d Parliament, and ordered by Parliament to be applied ,o a parti-. .cul service,.thai I would hesitate toliave he service perform tor tear of the respoo l ibtlity that would attach tome ?- they t r iook that I wouid enuauger the best interests ,at the country, froth aaly' con,ideration of .perinnat danger to iny self ? Do they think that I would risk a mutiny in • the, at my or the navy, r.oher to4n take von my iolt the lespon!;ibtlity of issuiag their pay i—No, Sir, if I could be guilty of such cond!ict, I should ou unfit indeed for tile situation which I hold I sho be guilty ot:A" base dereliction of my duty to my .5 : ). -set , ign and my country. ,[Loud and repeated cheers.] Sir, bitore I sit dOwn,l'inust beg tO obittiye, that I do not think that:the Gentlemen on the oher sfle have acted - quite fahly towards - me; wheo. I pro posed the resolution, I stated at the same line the general nature of the plan 1 •to-propoSe. Gentlemen on the other : Side have,- it seems, some plan in' reserve, besides their Address, which .they have thought proper to keep frool the know-. ledge of Parliament and the country. Ai the same time they have argued, by. anticipation as it were, , against the limitations ant) restrictions which said I meant to propose, though I had no t an opp ot to oityof stating th e grounds upon which I meant to pro pose them. must however beg of the House to lo!ep their minds open ußon the queStiona of the,restrie= fionc, and that they Will not decide until they have heard the arguments* on both sides of the question. lime Gentlemen on the' other side soy, they cau, establish "restriaions upon the power of the Regent, it necessary, by. their mode of proceeding, an.; the way they would do it, is, bygooyeying,suggestions nod hints, as it were, of their intention in the address to the Prince. Why, Sir,, if the Iwo Houses. of Parhio• mem can - legislate by address, where is the secority for . theConstitutiOn? If the two Houses or Parliainent can, I: ft p,ddreSsiliinit the power of the Regent, they can, by address, limit the power Of the Clown; a pro position which . 1 am_ sure will never,he listened to in this House. There were some questions put tome yesterday by the Hon. Gent. opposite to me, respect in, toe Physicians, such as, at whose deiire such a Poysician was appointed, whether the presence of one of was not disagreeable tea a gteat sonog,e, tic. Sir, with respect to these quesoons, I hope I shall be pardoned it I, say, ,that I W,i1,1 ( - 12ot nit swer them' unless commanded by the House, I fan 'not,cmicei,e any good th a t cou ld arise trona giving the intormatioo required. Mr. PaticuvAL 'having apologised for the length . o f time oe-nad trespassed_ upon the House, sat down,amtm , dst .the rnost loud acid long continue cheers. : - , _ rev of . . Mr. W. ELLIOTT and Mr. W..WvNyE severali) explained, Mr. WHITBREAD observed, that the Right Hon. Gentleman had, furuisued him with ampl e to tpi es o f remark, in the' bold and extraordinary speech which he had just made. He lamented that every Mem ber.of the United Parliament had not been pre , ent 'to hear the speech in which the Right Hon. G-htie man had proc4ime4 himself atid,his friends to be the persons who had possessed, and _arrlantly usurped the royal authority. With repett. to the second Resolution, it was, in his opinion, wholly unneces sary, and.he.had no doubt it had been introduced for the purpose of provoking an aerintoniou,dcbafe. . But t 4 importa n ce of the Resolu t i on was tiiii•ng, ey when compared with the 'important consideratiptis which must be supested to ti mind of ever re deding 1- 11 . 3 n; on hearing the dechrations or theniot Hon. Gentleman. iV . o u 1 d Mr. Pitt, in the pl en i tu d e N of his p ower , hate eatured to, make su c h asser tions? Until this day, no man had dared, 'in the lace of the House Commons; of omons-, to - tell - them that' he - a n d his colleagu es would ossume the controul of the public Purse, and that they Lc!, no doubt bit that the Ortieers of the Exchequer would obey their orderi in the issuing of the public money. If -the