The Sun. — London, England, 1836-06-10 00:00:00

PARAGRAPHS from the AMERICAN PAPERS. HILL, THE COMEDIAN.—Mr. Hill, the celebrated American comedian, is playing a farewell engagement at the Walnut street Theatre, preparatory to his departure for Europe. He appears to-night in several favourite characters—and relates three or four Yankee stories. The bill of fare is one of the most attractive ever presented. Mad. Celeste is at the Bowery theatre, N. Y.,—Wallack at the Park,—and " Robb, the Outlaw," a new drama, in wnich John Sefton personates the principal character, is the chief attraction at the Park. Miss Phillips is enrapturing the audiences of the Park. During her nights of performance the boxes beam with beauty. Talent may be obscured for a time—not for ever. JOSEPH BONAPARTE.—This distinguished individual, (gene rally known as Count Suvilliers,) arrived in New York on Tuesday afternoon, and engaged apartments at the Globe Hotel, No. 61, Broadway. STEAM-BOAT LOST.—The steam-boat Ohioian, Captain Freeman, we learn by the Columbus (Geo. ) Inquirer of April 29, was destroyed by fire on Saturday, April 23, about eight miles below Ocheese. The females escaped in the yaul. The other passengers jumped overboard. A servant girl only was drowned. The boat was not insured. Loss 25,000 dollars. COL. CROCKETT.—The National lntelligencer gives the following as an extract of a letter from a gentleman in Louisi • ana, dated April 12, to a Member of Congress : " Crockett was found (within the Alamo) in an angle made by two houses, lying on his back, a frown on his brow, a smile of scorn on his lips—his knife in his hand, a dead Mexican lying across his body, and twenty-two more lying pell-mell be fore him in the angle." DREADFUL ACCIDENT.—Mr. Williams, a respectable stone mason and builder, residing at the corner of Walker and Church-streets, was dreadfully injured, together with one of his workmen, by the falling of a chimney-stone, while engaged in repairing the building of Messrs. Souillard and Co., near the corner of Broadway and Ann-street. The unfortunate men were conveyed to their respective homes in a seriously mangled and bruised condition, having fallen a distance of about forty feet. Some gentlemen who were passing the building at the time of the accident were much injured, both in their clothing and persons, by the falling upon them, from the roof, of a number of paint pots and their contents. DESCRIPTIVE.—A Boston paper, describing a complainant in a court who had been bunged in the eyes, remarks—" His macerated visage spoke for himself. There was not a white spot as big as a fourpence upon it ; he looked as if he had fallen head foremost in a boiled huckleberry pudding, and had per mitted its contents to dry on." A WARNING.—We learn that a man was killed yesterday on the Norristown Railroad, about three miles from that place, in the following manner. He was ridin g in one of the return cars, in a state of utter intoxication. Strenuous efforts were made to keep him quiet, and in safety; but he kept moving about continually, against the express commands of those pre sent, until, in a fatal moment, he fell directly under the cars on the rail. His head was literally severed from his body by the wheels. Not the slightest blame can be attached to the excellent conductors, who are proverbial for their scrupulous care and attention.—Philadelphia Gazette. A person bemoaning the uncomfortable prospects of celi bacy, and comparing the respective situations of married and single persons, exclaimed, " What can make the bitter cup of a bachelor go down ?" A wit in the company, assuming the manner and tone of the complainant, exclaimed " a lass 1 a lass !" AN AMERICAN POPE.—Cardinal Cheverus, formerly Bishop of Boston, it is said, will probably be chosen Pope on the death of the present incumbent of the Pontifical chair. ANECDOTE.—A Dutchman was some time since indicted for bigamy. On being brought up on the charge, he admitted the fact, but pleaded in extenuation, that the Squire who married him to his first wife, authorized him to take sixteen wives. " Why what do you mean ?" asked the Judge. " Well," said Han 3, " he dold me I should haf four Fetter, four vorse, four richer, four boorer,—and in my coundry four dimes four always make sixteen." ANOTHER PATRIOT GONE !—MARRIED.—On Monday even ing, 4th inst., Mr. George Holbrooks, a soldier of the revolu tion, in the 93d year of his age, to Mrs. Broils, aged about 50 years.— Vincennes Sun. STEAMBOAT EXPLOSION.—We learn from the Evansville Re- publican that one of the flues of the steamboat Science col lapsed off that town a week or two since, and six persons were severely scalded. Dr. Noel, of Bloomfield, 111., is the only person missing. He was seen sitting on the how of the boat at the moment the accident happened, and it is believed that he was instantly killed and blown overboard. A MODEST REQUEST, AND A MODEST SENATOR.—Mr. Gansevoort, one of the Senators of this State, had the modesty and amiability to present to the House on Tuesday last—pre faced by a long and tedious harangue—the petition of a Mr. Soloman Barnett, Jr., the author of a work on English Gram mar, to furnish a copy of his publication, at the public expense, to each of the district schools in the State. The editor of our Boston namesake was regaled with a glass of mint julep, at the Exchange Coffee-house, on . Monday last; whereupon, not having the fear of the Temperance So ciety before his eyes, he discoursed to the sedate people of the " Literary Emporium "as follows. Hear him :—" It was a luxury even to look at the chrystal drops, stolen from the in visible air and made palpable to the touch, as they sprang into being on the cold icy bosom of the transparent goblet, and mingled their tiny bodies into sparkling rivulets, like living streams gushing front a moss clad rock shaded by copse wood." WIIEN TO TAKE OFF FLANNELS.—The Boston Patriot, discoursing of the sudden changes of the weather, and the im propriety of haste in taking off flannels, breaks out in the fol lowing distich : " Ye who would the Doctor pay, Take your flannels off in May." To which we add, in the like poetical strain:— Ye who would all physic scoff, Never take your flannels off. Learn in Summer's heat to bear 'cm, Day and night forever wear 'em : Then when Death and Doctors come. You may send them packing home. And good enough for 'em. SUFERSTITION.—Ort Wednesday night, about half-pa.t:t eleven o'clock, a crowd of two or three hundred was col lected near the corner of Broadway and Felton-street, for the express purpose of seeing a ghost, which it was said was a tenant of No. 208. Broadway. Some persons said, and they trembled as they spoke. that on Sunday right last they saw two men, sans culottes, run about on the roof all over blood. Others had seen a woman with her head cut open ; others had seen a man with a load of pistols, a sword, and a candle, stealing about, and any quan tity of rumours of the same nature, were flying about among the crowd. On the night in question a light was seen in the third story, and a shadow as of some person in motio❑ in that room. Hundreds collected to see the ghost, and it bid fair to terminate in a pretty row, had not sonic persons, more auda cious than the rest, entered the house, and after searching from cellar to garret, reported that—nothing was wrong. The third story of the house is occupied by an honest French man and his wife, who bear little resemblance to ghosts, and they were in truth, the only ghosts that were found. VILLAGE OF CENTREVILLE, MICIIIGAN.-(From the Penin sular, published in the above village. )—Centreville is situated on the west bank of the Prairie river, which is a fine stream, and affords an abundant and never-failing supply of water to the mills upon its shores. The first building erected on the village plot was a " shanty " of unhewn logs, rolled together by two brothers for the convenience of the chase, in November, 1832, and it was literally "a lodge in some vast wilderness," in which they continued to reside, without beholding a human face, save their own, for nearly a year. It is but three years since the second building was erected ; and yet what a great contrast is offered at the present time by the en terprise and spirited exertions of the inhabitants. There are, at this moment, about forty frame buildings on the plot, which number includes a court-house, printing-office, post-office, two hotels, two stores with extensive assortments of goods, two tailors' shops, two blacksmiths' shops, one shoe maker's shop, one gunsmith's shop ; there are two physicians in the place, who have some leisure to devote to horticulture and other pursuits, and one lawyer. There are under contract to be completed during the present season about forty frame buildings, chiefly of two stories, in which number are included, a largo church of the gothic style of architecture for the Me thodist Episcopal congregation ; a drug and medicine store, a spacious hotel, and a chair factory. The site of the village is an unbroken level, called a burr oak plain, and we never saw a spot better adapted to building purposes. THE CROWN OF POLAND.—This diadem, with the chains of the white eagle, is deposited, with gorgeous jewellery and wealth piled to the very roof, in the treasury at Moscow, and cannot be looked at by any son of freedom without giving a sigh to the fate of Stanislaus, whose dominions were so basely wrested from him, cut up, sliced, partitioned, and the mo narch turned adrift. The very royal robes and wearing ap parel of this mild and inoffensive person were brought to the hammer by auction. He died of a broken heart, and the hy pocrite Paul shed crocodile tears at embracing his coffin and attending his funeral. But a day of retribution must speedily arrive, an account of the plunder and all the misery, banish ment, confiscation, and train of evil which has been visited on that unhappy land by the devouring and insatiable Lion of the North.— Wilson's Russia and Poland. - MEDICO-BOTANICAL SOCIETY.—The ordinary meeting was held en Wednesday evening, Earl Stanhope, President, in the Chair. Several presents were announced, after which, Dr. Ryan, Professor of Materia Medica to the Society, delivered a lecture on certain diseases of the heart, which were considerably relieved by the use of hydriodate of potash. He read several reports of these cases, attested by medical students who attend the medical practice of the West ern Dispensary. He likewise described nervous disorders, neuralgia, shaking palsy, both general and partial, success fully treated by strychnine. He mentioned the case of a pa tient now under his care at the Metropolitan Free Hospital, in whom the most decided effects were produced, who, at the age of 30, had lost and regained all the hairs on his body, and ex hibited drawings of partial loss of the hair and plica polonica, which were remarkable and instructive. He concluded an in teresting discourse with some observations on the efficacy of the sceale cornutum in hemorrhages and other mucous dis charges. The Society adjourned to the 26th inst., which will be the last meeting of the present session. ENORMOUS TROUT.—On Whit-Monday Mr. Wm. Lloyd Roberts and a party of friends enjoyed a day's splendid fishing at Nantille lakes, with the net, and bagged a large quantity of beautiful trout, amongst which was a veteran, weighing about eight pounds and measuring twenty-six inches in length. The sport was the best that has lately been en joyed in these favourite lakes, and we understand that so large a trout has not been taken for some years.— Carnarvon Herald. L PA*.MENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, JUNE 9. - - - Their Lordships sat this day at three o'clock in a Committee of Privileges, when further evidence was adduced in support of the claim to the Bray Peerage. The further consideration of the claim was postponed sine die. Some private Bills on their Lordships' table were advanced a stage, and the House adjourned during pleasure. When the House resumed, Mr. Alderman THOMPSON, Mr. OSWALD, and several other Members of the House of Commons, brought up several pri vate Bills. Mr. CRAFER from the Treasury presented papers. The Marquis of CLEVELAND presented a petition from Stockton-upon-Tees, in favour of the Great Northern Rail way Bill. The Earl of ROSEBERY presented a petition from the Chamber of Commerce of Edinburgh, against the Scotch Bankruptcy Bill. On the motion of Lord ELL E NBO ROUGH, certain re turns were ordered relative to the Constabulary Force Bill. Mr. BERNAL and Others from the House of Commons brought up the report of the Select Committee on the Trinity Dock and Leith Harbour Bill. Their Lordships then proceeded to a Conference with the House of Commons relative to the printing and promulgation of the statutes. Lord WILTON presented a petition from Manchester, in favour of the Manchester and Leeds Railway Bill. ROMAN CATHOLIC MARRIAGES BILL. Lord ELLENBOROUGH seeing the Noble Marquis in his place, who had appointed the further consideration of the Roman Catholic Marriages Bill for Thursday next, would beg to suggest to him, that as there was a Bill in progress through the House of Commons for regulating all mar riages, it would be advisable to postpone the second read ing of the Roman Catholic Marriages Bill until that Bill came up to their Lordships' House, when they would be able to consider whether the principles of that Bill should not be ap plied to Ireland, otherwise they would be, in fact, discussing only a part of a very large subject. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE consented to postpone the second reading of the Bill. WASTE LANDS (IRELAND) IMPROVEMENT BILL. The Earl of DEVON moved the second reading of the Waste Lands (Ireland) Improvement Bill, and stated that the object of the Bill was to enclose certain lands in Ireland, and that the undertaking would give employment to a great number of unemployed Irish labourers. INSOLVENT DEBTORS' (IRELAND) BILL. The Insolvent Debtors' Ireland Bill passed through a Com mittee, and was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. BANKRUPTS' ESTATES BILL. The Bankrupts' Estates Bill was read a third time. LEITH HARBOUR BILL. The Earl of ROSEBERY presented a petition from the Corporation of Edinburgh, in favour of the North Leith Har bour Bill. The Duke of BUCCLE UCH was of opinion that the Bill ought not to pass into a law. The Edinburgh and Leith Harbour Railway Bill was read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time to-morrow. The House then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, Jug 9. The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour. EAST INDIA COMPANY. Mr. CAMPBELL brought up certain returns and correspon dente from the East India House, respecting corporal punish ment in India. THAMES HAVEN RAILWAY DOCK. On the motion of Mr. BRAMSTON this Bill was read a third time and passed. DUBLIN STEAM PACKET COMPANY. Mr. WALLACE presented a petition from the Chamber of Commerce of Greenock, against the Dublin Steam Packet Company Bill. IRISH CORPORATION REFORM. The O'CONNOR DON presented a petition from Ros common against the amendments made by the House of Lords in the Irish Municipal Reform Bill. Mr. AGLIONBY presented a petition from Kebble, agreed to at the largest public meeting that had ever been held in that town, and signed by 1,160, praying the House to reject entirely the Lords' Amendments; and at the same time to take measures to induce some further co-operation in public business on the part of the House of Lords. Dr. BOWRING presented a petition to the same effect from the Provost, Magistrates, and Town Council of Kil marnock. Mr. WALL ACE presented a petition from Greenock, signed by 2 500 persons, on the same subject, viz., praying that House not to receive the Bill of the Lords. The petition was signed by the Lord Provost, Magistrates, and Town Council, and by the most respectable of his consti tuents. _ Mr. HUME had 19 petitions, all praying for the re jection of the Bill of the Lords, and two of them praying in addition for the reform of the House, in which prayer he most cordially concurred. He hoped that means would be taken to make the House of Lords act more in unison with that House. Oac of the petitions was from a meeting of the county of Middlesex, which he had the honour of attending yesterday. Mr. E. BULLER presented a petition to the same effect, from Newcastle-upon-Tyne. Mr. E. BOLTON CLIVE presented a petition frcm the Mayor and Corporation of Hereford, against the Lords' amend ments. Mr. N. FITZSIMON presented petitions from different places in King's County, to the same effect. Mr. M 0 R RI SON presented a similar petition from Ipswich. Colonel BUTLER presented several petitions from dif ferent places in the county of Kilkenny, praying the House, without any compromise, to reject the amendments of the Lords. Lord CLE MENTS presented a variety of petitions from Donegal and Leitrim, against the Lords' amendments to the Municipal Bill. Sir R. DONKIN presented a petition from the Mayor and Corporation of Berwick-upon-Tweed, to the same effect. Sir WM. FOLKES presented a petition froin' Keirsiand, on the same subject. Captain WEMYSS presented four petitions from the county of Fife, to the same effect. Mr. VILLIERS STUART presented several petitions from the county Waterford, to the same effect. Mr. E. RUTH \TEN presented petitions from the Corpo ration of Kildare, to the same effect. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from the Mayor and Corporation of Canterbury oia the same subject. Mr. OSWALD presented a petition from Glasgow, signed by 25,000 persons to the same effect. _ Mr. DILLON BRO WNE presented several petitions from the county of Mayo to the same effect. Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL presented several petitions from the county of Kerry to the same effect. Mr. R. M. BELLE `V presented a number of petitions from the county cf Louth to the same effect. Sir R. FE RGU SSON presented a petition from Notting ham, signed by 7,660 persons to the same effect. Mr. LE ADE R presented a petition to the same effect from Bristol. The petitioners complained of the insulting conduct of the Lords to the people on the Irish Corporation Bill. Mr. G. S. BARRY presented upwards of 20 petitions to the same effect from places in the county of Cork. Mr. MILES presented a petition signed by near 1,000 persons, amongst whom was only one marksman, or only one who had put a cross to his name, to a contrary ef fect. The petitioners stated that they attended a meeting in that city, and attempted to address those assembled relative to the opinions of one who used to be an authority with Hon. Gentlemen opposite ; viz. Charles James Fox. They were not allowed to be heard ; and therefore they now prayed that the House would reject any proposal which might come before it, tending in any way to abridge the rights and privileges of the House of Lords. Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD had three petitions to present from Downpatrick, in the county of Down, to the same effect. He trusted the House would bear with him while he alluded to a charge made against his honour and in tegrity by one of the Hon. Members for Belfast (Mr. E. Tennent), as appeared from the report of the Times news paper of that morning. The Hon. Member was reported to have charged him (Mr. S. Crawford) with having stated that a gentleman named Macneil had set fire to the turf belonging to one of his tenantry, because he had voted contrary to the wishes of his landlord.—( Hear, hear.) Motives had also been attributed to him (Mr. S. Crawford), and it was al leged that he had made that statement to the House, for the purpose of injuring the character of Mr. Macneil. He would appeal to every Honourable Member of that House whether he had ever mentioned the name of Mr. Macneil or his tenant, or any other individual ? He had certainly stated a fact which had come to his (Mr. Crawford's) knowledge, which had been authenticated by a trial that had subsequently taken place, but he had not mentioned any name whatever. If the Gentleman ( Mr. Macneil) confessed the fact, then he was his own accuser.—( Hear, hear.) He had never mentioned the name of the Hon. Gentleman, and he did not think it right that such imputation should be made upon him in his absence.—( Cheers.) He was sure that he might appeal to the House, and ask them whether the adoption of such a course was consistent with that courtesy which was usually observed by one Member to another.—(Cheers.) It was true that he had made a charge against the Hon. Member for Belfast, but he did so in his presence.--( Cheers.) In doing so , however, he never mentioned his name, and he thought it was but fair on the part of the Hon. Member to shew the same courtesy to him. Mr. E. TENNENT did not think that the Hon. Member could justly complain of the course he had adopted, as he had given him notice. Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD explained. Mr. FEL L OWE S presented a petition from Devon, against the Tithe Bill. Sir CHARLES KNIGHTLEY presented a petition fro. Stratford-upon-Avon, for the total abolition of Tithes. Mr. POWER presented a petition from Kilmore in the county of Westmeath, praying for the abolition of Tithes. Also several petitions from the inhabitants of Dumcormack, Killog, Kilcoan, Kilmarman, Ballycorrick, Kilkerrin, Bona veen, Goring, Taglimore, and Kilbuck, to the same effect. The Hon. Member also presented a petition from Enniscor thy, paying that a law might be enacted providing for desti tute children, the aged and the infirm, and apetition from Kil rush, praying for equal corporate reform with England, and also for the abolition of Tithes. General PALMER presented a petition from Bath, agreed to at a large public meeting, expressing their regret and indig nation at the conduct of the House of Lords, and praying the House to reject every measure of municipal refonuf9r Ireland, THE SUN, 1,01 unless it wns founded on the same principles as the English and Scotch Billh FACTORIES ACT. Mr. FIE LDE N presented a petition from Oldham against the Factories Regulation Act Amendment Bill. Mr. H. GRATTAN presented numerous petitions against the Lords' amendments to the Irish Municipal Bill. Mr. D. CALLAGHAN presented petitions from Cork against the Lord's amendments to the Municipal Bill, and for the abolition of tithes. Alderman WOOD presented a petition from several hundred merchants, bankers, and other respectable inhabitants of Glou cester, in favour of the Irish Municipal Bill, as it had passed that House.—( Hear, hear.) The petitioners trusted the House would reject with becoming indignation any attempt to deprive the Irish people of their rights, and they further de precated the system of irresponsible legislation which marked the proceedings of the Upper House.—( Cheers.) Sir G. S INCL AIR begged to know whether the petitioners prayed for a reform in the House of Lords? Alderman WOOD said if the Hon. Member wished it, he was sure the House would have no objection to have it read at length.—( Hear.) The petitioners expressed their opinion very strongly of the necessity of some change in the House of Lords..—( Cheers. ) TAXES ON KNOWLEDGE. __ Colonel THOMPSON presented a petition from Maccles field, and one from the weavers of Dundee, praying for a re peal of all the taxes on Newspapers. TURNPIKE TRUSTS. Mr. S ANDFO RD presented a petition from the county of Somerset, against the Turnpike Trusts Bill. STAMP DUTY ON NEWSPAPERS. Mr. WAKLE Y presented petitions from Inverness, Not tingham, and Islington, against the stamp duty on Newspapers. Also, a petition from certain licensed retailers of beer, for the equalization of the hours. ` ON FRIDAY, JUNE 10, 1836 Strangers were accordingly ordered to withdraw, and the House divided, when the numbers were— For introducing the Bill Against it Majority MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS—IRELAND. Mr. SHEIL, Sir JOHN WROTTESLEY, and some other Hoe. MEMBERS, presented petitions against the Irish Municipal Bill, as amended by the Lords. Lord J. RUSSELL then rose and said—Sir, I think that it will be most convenient, in moving the Order of the Day for the consideration of the Lords' Amendments to the Municipal Corporations (Ireland) Bill, to state the views which are taken by his Majesty's Ministers of those amendments, and the motion which will be made by my Right Hon. Friend the Attorney-General for Ireland to the House, in con sidering these amendments. Sir, I wish to do this without any remarks that may tend to excite any exasperation upon a subject on which so much interest is felt ; while, at the same time, I must say that I would be de serting my duty, if, for the value of any compliment to the popularity of the other branch of the Legislature, I were to propose to .barter away the privileges of this House, to dimi nish the rights of any part of his Majesty's subjects, or impair the well known principles of the Constitution.—(Cheers.) Sir, we stand upon this subject at present upon the defen sive. It has been the policy of this House to send up to the other House of Parliament Bills reforming the Municipal Corporations in Scotland and in England. Upon both these Bills some discussion took place, and to the latter many amendments were made by the House of Lords, but it seemed to be the general agreement of both Houses that Corporations in themselves tended to promote good government in the towns in which they were established--that they tended to preserve order and regularity, and to promote the welfare of the country. We sent up to the other House of Parliament a Bill for the Reform of Corporations in Ireland. It has been returned to us with the title altered—(Cheers)—with the pream ble changed. —( Cheers.) Out of a Bill containing 140 clauses 106 were in substance omitted, while 18 new ones have been introduced.—(Cheers.) The whole purport and inten tion of the other House had been to destroy the Bill ; and if they wanted proof of that, it was to be found in the fact, that the other House had adopted an instruction—an alteration which could not have been carried into effect without that instruction—an instruc tion which was deliberately rejected in this House.--( Cheers. ) That is the form in which the Bill is now before us—that is the form in which it has been sent down to us. If the intention of that House had been to promote that cordial harmony, which we were told to-day they were so anxious for, how easy it would be to carry that intention into effect? It certainly was not at all the proper manner, to make—to alter the Bill in such a manner as, in fact, to make it an entire new Bill. However, with respect to any thing which it was possible for us to propose as the means by which the Bill might ultimately become the law of the land, we were most anxious to find some method, consistently with precedent and usage, by which the Bill might have been passed by both Houses of Parliament. In conformity with the privileges and recognised rights of this House, with respect to Bills which come before them for discussion, there are, I believe, but three courses to be taken.—( Hear.) The first was to reject the Bill altogether, with a view of substituting and introducing a new Bill • the second was to restore all the original, parts of the Bill, and to disagree to all the amendments of the Lords ; and the third course would be to disagree to the greater part of the amendments—to restore, in principle, the original intention and spirit of the Bill, but not to insist on the original frame-work. There was a fourth course, which he certainly would not recommend the House to adopt, and he thought that but few Members would be found to propose that the amendments should be adopted without any alteration whatever.—( Hear, hear, hear.) If they did this they would be surrendering altogether their pri vilege of deliberation ; and instead of having Bills sent up to the House of Lords after they had been read a first, second, and third time, and carried through a Committee—when they might be enabled to examine its provisions—they should be content to say that any Bill sent up to the Lords might be totally altered in its provi sions, in its nature, in its title, and in its intention ; and that a single reading, and one single vote of the House should dispose of all these great questions. He would not be so unmindful of what was due to the character of that House and its station in the country, as to propose so new, so dangerous, and so humiliating a course.—( Tremen dous cheering from the Ministerial side.) Before going into the subject of the Amendments made by the House of Lords, he would refer to a precedent with respect to a Bill which was sent up by this House at a time when certainly that House was not over anxious either to dis pute with the House of Lords, or to set up any claim that was inconsistent with our Constitution. —( Hear, hear.) There was a precedent in the parliament of 1661, which he conceived analogous to the present, and which was to be found in Hume. The Noble Lord then read an extract from Hume's History of England, to the effect that the House of Commons brought in a Bill for the regulation of Corporations, and sent it up to the Lords where it underwent many alterations. He (Lord J. Russell) should first observe that the original Bill was one for replacing the Presbyterian or Republican party by persons of known loyalty.—( Hear, hear.) The Bill so sent up was very materially altered. One alteration was, that the Mayor should be nominated by the Crown. The Lords appointed a Committee to assign their reasons. The Committee reported several reasons, of which I will quote two or three to the House. The first reason was, " because the Bill for the well-regulation of the Corporations placed the government of the towns in the right hands, which by the Bill sent up from the Lords so far from being effected by the amendments was not so much as thought of, and that in the provisions for the appointment of the mayor and re corder, no care was taken for any other members of the cor porations." The seventh reason is, " Further, the amend ments are repugnant to the title of the Biil, which is a Bill for the regulation of Corporations, whereas the amendments do either extirpate—(Great cheering from the Ministerial side of the House)—or, at least, new create them.—( Loud cheers from the Opposition benches, echoed back from the Ministerial benches.) The reformation contemplated by the Bill sent up to the Lords was of a temporary nature, and such as was reasonably believed would be agreeable to the times and suitable to our trust; whereas the amendments made by the Lords were such as would be in no case agreeable to the people or suitable to or consonant with our trust." Now,_ it is clear from this example of a House of Commons, of which I have read an extract Irons Hume, proving that no imputa tion could be cast on its desire to carry out the constitution on its well-known foundations—it is manifest from this exam ple that the House of Commons were unwilling to agree to the amendments of the Lords, which completely altered the nature of the Bill, and which they said were " not consonant with their trust." Now, Sir, I hope this House will act at least in the spirit of this Restoration Parliament, and that they will act in a manner " consonant with their trust"—( Loud cheers) —and that, if there is anything in this amended Bill which in jures the liberty of the subject, or which destroys the nature of the Corporations themselves, that they will consider whether we, the Commons of England, shall be justified in giving our consent to these amendments.—( Cheers.) Sir, the result of the conference upon those reasons was, that the House of Lords desired further time to consider the matter. They said, that owing to the thinness of the House they could not then proceed ; and the question was, therefore, put off from July to December. In December the most obnoxious amend ments made by the Lords were withheld ' • some of them were in some parts accepted, and the Bill was finally passed by both Houses. The purpose for which this precedent serves us is, that if we are not able to agree to the amendments made by the Lords, we may yet restore in spirit the Bill which we sent up to the Lords, and that we are not obliged, on account of the objections which we may entertain to the extensive na ture of the alterations made, to consider that we have but one course, and that course is to reject the considerations of those alterations altogether. I will now proceed to state the gene ral effect of the greater part of these alterations. In the first place, and that which is the head and front of the whole mat ter, the Bill which we sent up to the Lords was a Bill for re gulating and renewing Corporations in Ireland, but allowing Corporations still to subsist as they now subsist in England and Scotland.—( Hear, hear.) The House of Lords, on the contrary, have introduced a clause putting an end to Corpo rations altogether. But in doing this they have taken care— a care which I think they could little be aware to what extent it went, and which must have been suggested by persons la. menting the fall of these Corporations—they have taken care, I say, to preserve for their natural lives to many of the persons who hold offices in these Corporations all the power, all the trust, and all the property which they now enjoy.—( Hear, hear, hear.) I thought it was an objection to the Bill as it has come down to us, that it totally abolished Corporations. Indeed it is most objectionable in principle, as I shall by and by argue, to abolish these Corpora tions ; but it would not be giving a complete, or anything like an accurate notion of this amended Bill, as it is called, to say that it destroys Corporations, and puts other powers in their place. It is a Bill to continue for the present genera tion, under less responsibility—(Cheers)—with less restraint than they at present enjoy their situations, persons who hold office in these Corporations, which Corporations you your selves declare to be corrupt and indefensible.--( Cheering.) I will now state the effect of some of the clauses that now stand in the Lords' Bill. By the sth clause bodies corporate are dissolved, and the power of electing new officers ceases after the Ist day of January next. By the 12th clause clerks of a market, weigh -masters of all goods, weigh-masters of but ter, and tasters of butter, are to continue to hold such offices. Laughter.) In the Bill which was originally printed in the Lords, it was provided that those persons who should be named to these places after the passing of the Bill, should continue in their offices. That certainly must have been an oversight, for so gross an opening for jobbing never was made ...and that clause therefore has been altered, so as to prevent persons hereafter coming in to enjoy the same rights as the present holders of these offices are to enjoy. By the 13th clause, town-clerks, bailiffs, treasurers, and chamberlains, with other ministerial and executive officers of bodies corporate, are to continue to execute their duties until removed by the Commissioners. By the 14th clause compen. sation is extended to the members as well as the officers of any body corporate. By the 15th clause pensions and allowances are extended beyond what we originally provided, being made to include annual sums granted in conformity with established usage, and only limited by this certainly very necessary and useful proviso at the end, " unless the property of such body corporate shall not be sufficient for the payment thereof."— (Laughter.) Undoubtedly the person who framed that pro viso must have considered that what he had consented to in sert in the former part of the clause would probably entirely eat up and destroy the whole property of these Corporations ; and that in order to take care that these persons should not overrun the country, and make claims upon other funds, he felt it proper to enact that when the whole corporate property was consumed, these persons should have no further claim upon us.—(Laughter.) By the 19th clause charitable trusts are vested in the persons who shall, on the 31st of December, have been mayor, aldermen, or members of the governing body. By the 20th clause trusts, other than charitable trusts, arc vested in the same persons ; and by the 23d clause, when any body corporate is part of any other body corporate, their places are to be filled up by these same fortunate mayor, alder men, or members of the governing body on the Ist of January 1837. By the 92d clause, in every town where the town-clerk is now in right of his office clerk of the peace, registrar of the court of record for the trial of civil actions, and clerk to the court of conscience, the person who shall be town-clerk on the 31st of December shall continue to hold these offices. Well, these are the clauses then which provide, not, as I have said, for the extinction of Corporations—not for the destruction of those Corporations against whom every body in this House was so indignant, and which there was no one willing to defend— but securing for their lives the possession of these offices unless they are removed, as some of them may be by a method I shall hereafter mention to all those persons who may or may not have been in the active exercise of the abuse of the trusts which were vested in them.—( Cheers.) There is a difference between one or two of these official personages and the others, which I do not well understand ; but by a certain clause, the trea surer may be removed by the Commissioners ; but by a former part of the Bill, it would appear that those fortunate persons who are the Clerks of markets, Master-weighers of butter, and Butter-tasters, are taken special care of, are not the least injured--nothing is to happen to them; but they are to be preserved until, in the course of nature, they shall fall off.— ( Laughter.) Why, Sir, then the real effect of this Bill is not what we supposed it to be ; and those who determined upon the abolition and destruction of Corporations, seem to have some faultering in their own purpose.—( Cheers.) When they came actually to execute this destruction—this abolition —this death to the old and abusive Corporations of Ireland, some compunctions came over them ; and while they were content to abolish the name, and leave nothing hereafter of the same kind, they took care of all those who had been the special friends of those who were now consenting to their de struction. It puts me in mind of that dying miser of whom we are told by Pope, that the ruling passion, strong in death, would not suffer him to relinquish that which lag was too old to retain, or to enjoy I give and I devise (old Euclio said, And sigh'd) my lands and tenements to Ned.' Your money, Sir ?—' My money, Sir ! what all ! Why—if I must—(then wept)—l give it Paul.' The manor, Sir ?—' The manor ! Hold (he cried), Not that—l cannot part with that'—and died." There seems to have been a similar ruling passion operating on the minds of the persons who framed these amendments. Those who made the will, by which they " gave and devised" these Corporations, certainly felt so much reluctance to an nihilate and destroy all these precious relics—these corporate offices—that even with their dying breath they chose to leave them all by a devise that should preserve them at least during the natural lives of the objects of their bounty.—(Cheers and laughter.) Well, after having taken this care, and made these provisions for the existence and continuance of the pre sent corporate officers, we then come to that which I may call the constructive part of this Bill—very different from our con structive Bill—and the clauses of which are to this effect : By the 26th clause the Lord-Lieutenant is to appoint five or seven Commissioners to be Commissioners of corporate pro perty : in these Commissioners, by clause 23, is vested the whole property of Corporations. By the 29th clause they appoint a treasurer. By the 34th clause they are empowered to bring and defend actions, and compromise and settle account. By the 41st clause they are to pay the salaries of the recorder, judge of the court of conscience, to pay to the Commissioners under 9 Geo. IV., any surplus, and if there shall be any further surplus, to apply it for the pub lic benefit of the inhabitants of such town. By the 43d clause they may abolish tolls, and by the 45th clause they may remove any town-clerk, bailiff, treasurer, or chamberlain. By the Gist clause the Lord-Lieutenant is to appoint to any office of clerk of the market or taster of butter. Sir, the effect of these clauses is to place in Commissioners named by the Lord Lieutenant for Ireland, the whole corporate pro perty of Ireland, and the nomination of all corporate officers in that country.--(Hear, hear, hear.) And, Sir, I declare at once that I never can agree to such a clause.—(Tremendous cheers.) I consider that the Corporations, even in their worst state, are a species of local government which does not belong, which ought not to belong, to the supreme Executive. —(Cheers.) I consider that in their reformed state they are instruments where, by means of popular controul, the inha bitants of our towns may manage their own affairs in that way which most concerns them ; and I never will agree, admiring the principles of these institutions—admiring the ancient prin ciples of our Constitution in its rise and growth, and in what has been done to reform them—to admit this new and despotic principle—( Loud and long-continued cheers),—connecting with the Executive and central Government a Power which is locally so well and so duly placed. Only let us consider the mischief and injury that must ensue from a Lord-Lieutenant and his Commissioners in interfering in every transaction, and in the smallest appointment for regulating the local concerns of a place. Let us consider the clamouring there would be, the favours that would be asked, the jobbing that would be cre ated, by placing the nomination of all corporate officers in these Commissioners. And let us consider further the great violation that there is in the very principle of placing in these Commissioners the whole property of these Corporations with power to defend and to undertake suits, to arrange mat. ters, and to settle contests about the rights of propei:ty, and to dispose of that property as they shall think fit, with merely the general terms that it shall be for the public benefit of the town. Why, Sir, can it be believed that there will not be continual efforts made by the different parties in every one of these towns to obtain the favour of these Commissioners with respect to the manner in which the corporate property shall be disposed of, and with respect to the favours to be granted to one person or the other, not in one place only, but in every town which has corporate property; and not only relating to the property, but to every action in which that property may be concerned—if all these powers shall be confided to a set of Commissioners at the nomination of the Lord Lieutenant ? But, Sir, is it not most objectionable in principle, that these matters, which have hitherto all been treated, and which should be treated, as matters within the cognizance of local bodies, should be placed in the bands of these Commissioners, named by the Government ?—( Cheers.) And, let me ask how those who profess to pay so sacred a regard to property—(Cheers) —let me ask how they can consent that this property, which is altogether to be taken away from these towns, is to be left in the hands and to the uncontrolled direction of persons named by the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland as to what manner here- after that property shall be applied ?—( Cheers.) Therefore, Sir, taking this view of the clauses I have mentioned, it is quite impossible for me to consent to the first part of them, which destroys the Corporations, or to the second part of them, which places their property and powers in the hands of the Commissioners ; and I shall venture to state to the House in what manner I propose that which is necessary, in order to replace the clauses for effecting the real intention of this Bill, to be adopted by the House. I will not propose— for it would be but to lead evidently to the rejection of the Bill—that the whole of the towns now placed under the government of a Mayor and Council shall hereafter be placed under that species of government. I will not propose that all the clauses which we introduced should be restored ; but I will propose that the great towns, which stand in the first and second schedules of the Commons' Bill—schedules A and & should be placed in a single schedule, and that the whole of the clauses which have been struck out should be again inserted, with a view of applying them to those towns.—( Cheers.) There are eleven of these towns—Belfast, Cork, Dublin, Gal way, Kilkenny, Limerick, Waterford, Clonmel, Drogheda, Lon donderry, and Sligo. There is another town, which, by reason of being a county of a town, ought to be placed in the same schedule—l mean the town of Carrickfergus. I have next a proposal to make with regard to the towns which are in schedule C. I think it is not advisable to have these towns altogether either under the Municipal Corporations which you have de clared to be defective, or to leave them out of the Bill. I have already declared that I never will consent to apply to them, or to any of the Corporate towns in Ireland, those clauses which have been inserted by the Lords, making the Commissioners appointed by the Lord Lieutenant the sole Corporators. It is, therefore necessary to frame some provi sion which will not be exactly conformable to our former pro visions, but which shall provide a means for the purposes of municipal government in these towns. I say, then, that we ought to put into schedule B all those towns which are im portant and of considerable size, and which possess Corporate property. For wherever there is Corporate property to any extent, I think it is the duty of Parliament not to consent to transfer that property to Commissioners ; but that having pointed out the abuses in the management of that property, and those abuses having been generally recognized, that these Corporations should be as soon as possible removed, I propose, therefore, that with respect to them, the provisions of the 9th Geo. IV.—provisions with which Gentlemen seemed so much pleased when the question was under delibera tion before—l propose that these provisions should imme diately apply to these towns—they will be twenty towns in number—and that as soon as the Commissioners are chosen by the 51. householders, so soon all the Corporate property and power to appoint to any necessary office, such as clerk of the market, should belong to these Commissioners. With respect to the first schedule, it will be a sche dule of towns where the 101. householders will have the power of electing the mayor and town council ; and with respect to the second schedule, it will be a schedule of the towns where the Si. householders will elect, but where, instead of electing a Mayor and Town-council, they will el ec t C omm i ss i oners under the 9th of George IV. These Commissioners will have the powers of watching, paving, and lighting. But the difference between the propo sition made in this House, and the proposition introduced in the Lords, is that to these local Commissioners elected by the Si. householders, and, therefore, elected by the inhabitants, and not to Commissioners nominated by the Lord-Lieutenant, the corporate property will be entrusted.—( Cheers.) I think I need not dwell upon the very important difference between these two modes of appointment, or trespass long upon the House in order to prove which of these two pro p o sitions is most constitutional.—( Cheers.) These Commissioners will be, at all events, persons having the confidence of their fellow citizens ; they will be persons anxious to with promote the welfare of the town ; they will bo persons acquainted its circumstances, and they will be persons responsible fellow citizens.—( L ou d c h eers .) From these toCommissioners, to their w in every one of these res p e cts, the Commissioners be ap pointed by the Crown w ill totally differ. We cannot expect . from them the same kno w ledge of the town, we cannot expect from them the s ame regar d for the interes ts of the town, and, above all, we have not in them the sameresponsi bility to popular vigilance and control.—( of Cheers.) should say here that the first sectionschedule C will contain the towns of Tuam, Bel turbet, and Wicklow (t h e Noble Lord added the name of one other place, but we I il' II - could not hear it.) A third schedule I shall propose " _ contain all the remaining boroughs from s ection 2 of schedule. C. In the boroughs contained in this th ird schedule Ido not propose that the provisions of the Act of th e 9th Geo. _I IV. should be immediately adopted, as they are boroughs here possess but little corporate property ; and a s it may be after found that it would be better for them not to incur the expense either of Corporations or of Commissione rs under the Act of 9 Geo. IV., I propose that, with resp ect to them, the adoption of the provisions of 9 Geo. IV. shall be voluntary ; and if it should subsequently pp a ear to Parliament that they had not adopted th e provisions of that Act, and that Corpora tions in those towns (they having no property to administer, and but few individuals to govern) were not required. I am_ sure I for one should make no objection, either in the case of Belturbet, or any other town similarly situated, to any propo sition for abolishing the Corporation. With respect to any other part of the Bill, I do not think there are many points on which I need occupy the attention of the House. There have been several alterations made by the Lords in those clauses which concern the Quarter Sessions of the Recorder ; but although several alterations have been made in those pro visions, still the spirit of the Bill is preserved. If there be any difference of opinion on those clauses, they will be merely differences of detail. It was an opinion that the administra tion of justice by the Recorder should be vested in the ap pointment of the Crown. That is likewise the opinion of the Lords. They have not agreed that quarter sessions should be held whenever the council think fit to require it ; but they have. agreed that there should be recorders named by the Cr own, and not not by those Corporations. I know not, then, Sir , th at I need go further in this general statement than I have done, in point ing out the differences which exist between the Bill wnich has been sent down to this House by the House of L ords, and the Bill which I propose to send up to the House of Lords for their concurrence. It will be observed that the difference between these two Bills in point of principle—l do not dis:', guise it—is very wide indeed. Ido not pretend to say that I I do not have adopted the principle of the House of Lords. pretend to say that I have adopted the principle of abolishing corporations, destroying local governments, and establishing a central government in their places.—(Cheers.) I think I need not long detain the House with the general reasons which have induced me to prefer the one plan, and not con sent to the other. When Bills were introduced for the re form of the corporations of England and Scotland, we did not think it necessary, and Right Hon. Gentlemen opposite did not think it necessary, for us to enter into the general reasons which induced us to think that Corporations were beneficial' and that if they ought to be reformed, they ought not to be a ll the destroyed. If we look to history, we shall find that historians who have written of the transactions of Europe in earlier times, attribute all the civilization, attribute a ll the wealth, attribute all the good order, attribute all the regula rit Y' of our corporate cities, entirely to their municipal institu tions. ____(Hear, hear.) They attribute to them likewise the having kept alive and fostered the spirit of civil liberty.—( Cheers' Dr. Robertson has many pages of eulogium on CorporationS for this reason. It is said by Gibbon that at the feet of theee popular ramparts, the pride of the Caesars was humble°, and the spirit of liberty triumphed over the two greatest monarchs of their age. By their means, says Hume, the spirit of liberty was preserved, both in the dark ages wh en , monarchy flourished in its splendour, and when lib erty was openly restored by the revolution of the seventeenth cen; tury.—( Loud cheers.) It was in those times taken for grant ed that any infringement of the rights of Corporations, that a l l blow to the rights of Corporations, that any destruction o f the Corporations themselves, was a blow directed at liberty he f t self—( Cheers)—and when, in later times, we have thoug ht necessary to propose that the defects of these Corporations should be remedied, and the principle of popular control j e : troduced, we have had the general concurrence of this 1 1 ° 115 " in the opinion that it was desirable to vest these t rusts in local bodies, that such a proceeding was conformable to the constitution of this country, and that we were discharging °if duty to our constituents, by doing every thing in our power te preserve and maintain them in the chief towns of England . (Cheers.) But, Sir, it is not in this country alone that en later times free Corporations have been introduced. I was reading over this morning a decree of the Prussian Gover n ' ment, bearing date in the year 1808, for the introduction e` Corporations on a free basis in that country. I regret to ha ve , to refer the House to Prussia for a precedent of freedom , ha" I have no alternative. I t has been remarked that the citizens do not take interest in concerns which are of importance to them in consequ en r of the defective arrangements which have hitherto e xisted ' u the Corporations and classes of each town. In order to re' medy this fault, it has been decided to make new municipal ar' rangements, of which the principal object is to give an rode; pendent constitution to the towns, to create in them a centr of interest to the citizens, and:to grant to them a real influen t over the administration of the public property, and induc e it a community of action." —(Cheers). In conformity with the preamble so the enact ment proceeds on the most liberal basis, with one or two cs:,. ceptions, which I am informed do not affect the freedom °' the towns. With the exception of securing to the Croul the power of refusing its consent to the election of a mayor 0 it shall so think fit, and with some other exceptions of the lilt° nature, the decree establishes an independent constitution on the most liberal basis. I said before that I was sorry to refer to Prussia for a precedent. I repeat it, because I com e n° l( to the question whether it is necessary to deny mu nicipal' 11 .: stitutions' solely for the reason that the country to whic h it 1, proposed to apply them is Ireland.—( Loud cheers.) is a sentiment of Mr. Burke's, the passage in whic h it w v delivered I will not pretend to quote, which lam su re every gentleman who hears me must have in his recollection. .1° his beautiful speech on the subject of conciliation to Ameri ca ' Mr. Berke said that " Slavery was a plant which might talc root anywhere, but that Freedom was a flower which bloomed alone in England." Shall Ibe reduced to the necessity of re' versing the proposition ? Shall Ibe told that municipal free' dom may be allowed under a despotic constitution, that it 1 1 ) 31 be encouraged by a Prussian Government, but that in t ' ,lB whole of Ireland, under the free constitution of Great Britai n it shall not exist ?—( Cheers.) Why, Sir, have Gentleelea seriously reflected upon the proposition which they have c on ?, down here to give their votes upcn ? Have they well c OO dered how deep a wound must be inflicted on Ireland , . ° by merely by the provisions I have detailed to the House, b ut by the reasons on w hi c h it is n o t o rious that they are founcle`" a t the words in which I heard it, with my own ears, declared t.tif.. three-fourths of the people of Ireland were aliens in blood, clfn, fering in language, differing in religion, and waiting only a t a favourable opportunity of throwing off the Governm er t. e b, home ?—( Great cheering.) These, Sir, are the words rmibe fell from the lips of one who is supposed by the public t ° 40 the chief organ in introducing these amendments of the fl° 11 „f, of Lords—of one who but a few months ago held the big h ) flee of Lord Chancellor of E ngland. —( Tremendous c heerio fa r Can it be conceived, Sir, that these enactments, were they it less bitter than they are, were they far less hostile to the s,P 0 of our Constitution, were they far less different from the '3 we have adopted in other parts of the united empire, could ny received, coupled with such motives, and with such a P rcalo the ble affixed to them, with any other feelings than those of ado deepest indignation ?—(Cheers.) Tell me of speeches 01,..wat at the Corn Exchange I—tell me of agitation t e ll you n these words, and those enactments which are founded °Pot, them, will tend more to promote agitation—will tend 1 11 ° !,? it „,, keep alive discord—will tend more to prevent tranqu'i ra ' o ' o than a thousand such speeches—uttered, it may be, hY t , • who are speaking of impossible and unattainable obje°o 0 . but speaking, nevertheless, in favour of the esten si° , 1 the liberties of their country.—( Prolonged cheering•lsta„ tell you that if you consider this Bill with the view ef i e e to Wishing upon it some new law which shall be applle ab d e r- Ireland alone, and couple it with such motives, you ill tia t he stand the sound policy of Government in attenipti ands, infliction.—( Cheers.) I will add upon more general gr° at that having heard what passed in this House, and havi% t he tended to much of what passed, or is said to have pas sed ' I like other House of Parliament, I have never heard any thing_eo a plausible reason assigned for making this distinction 1)7(1if.. the two countries. Differences there are — grea t and wi de but ferences. lam not the man to dispute their existence in the question here is simply this—are there such differen t 0 10 the towns of Ireland as to render them unfit to have P°P tha t and Municipal Corporations ? It is nothing to tell 11 1 ° ..ntr y there have been dreadful outrages committed in the c 0 47 t be parts of Ireland, that trials have taken place which sh° . c. t hat feelings, and that much crime is committed througlac?u_ l ' ar d it portion of the empire—l ask—and as I have never % od d stated yet, I ask for the sake of information—is it I_ o of that in the towns of Ireland there prevails a greater d t h a n disorder and a greater unfitness for popular Govcrnme_ny'n n ot exists in other parts of the empire ? If it be so , I 11 ; 1 c on' heard it ; if it were so, I should very likely say , that of formity with the examples we have of the early agdesctiu° of rope, it is but reasonable to suppose that the intro Municipal Corporations would be the best remedy for 7 , t he —(Loud cheers.) Let any man go over, in his Inem ° i l es ens , „ transactions of the last few years. Which are the „ sec of where are the towns, in which scenes have taken P' L i ra e• Cork, or r ! lot great outrage and calamity ? In Dublin,eee, rick? I recollect one in 1819, in Manchester. ~,t cl ° a o d t e t p h l i o n r k a deplorable t scene ther e that s o b c e c e u n r r e ind inD Dublin, Cork, at B s tLe Lim To ; ° P r eke , o n f likeany other th es e —great( Cheers.)to wn o f r Ireland, th ere h aanythingbeen, if r c es o e r m k b b l a i a li e ff ear r ,.. ed theof thefate d Bristol, a o u f ger o f extending, should aeundo of t dreadful o f r t e h h iens ops apprehended from the extension of municipal CorPe _" . thou gb! such a city ? And yet no man contended, no man er A y w e e ar, ha t d ha t t h i e t Municipalough In ct to underßristol on account of the outrages which had takennip.:,_ 4 , 0 d c e o r nt d e i n se d u in ss g i , un w l h a : t n that city.—( Great cheering.) But I say, on other groan in' Municipal Corporations to those towns in Ireland.n habitants will then busy themselves with their ovv. cerns. They will learn, if they have not already... T eco oo the habits and practice of self-government ; theY. W e l l ' it t hose not a model to the rest of Ireland; they will acquir t t 0 C ohropeeovxr e;_odriseede, provement, and embellishment, which make nleat toying • means, and pursue all those means of political pal !o il ; porations a blessing and an advantage to all . gr you have no rt say, moreover, give it for another reason, f valid obstacle to bring forward —give of this eleP i !,' that under the present laws and constitution niin _ Relief Ow!. and after the passing of the Roman between sixl(e:diesi: you have no right to make a distinction oft Ro man h e millions of Protestants and six millions People under o ts tholics, but are bound to unite the whole tre P at the inhabitana Government of the same kind, and to of Lancashire. the inhabitants n of Ireland as you would treat ) And is it onlY. ° to be Berkshire.—(Tremendous cheering. for the reasee affixed ? Is it because you wish ottestants of Londonderrtte;: Catholics that you deprive the pr istrates ? Are • municipal mag must their power of electing nfit for, that tiiey Roman Catholics that this slight oanin d er d ti e f g y r a ad ad at i d o n a gr l a s d e the, too, to be told that they are prived and suffer the loss of, uall the advantages of ;llu IRISH MUNICIPAL BILL. Mr. WAKLEY presented a petition from the northern di. vision of the parish of St. Pancras, praying the House of Commons might reject, with becoming indignation and scorn, the Lords' Amendments to the Irish Municipal Bill. Mr. SHAW LEFEVRE presented a petition from Ted bury against the Lords' Amendments. Mr. CHARLES WOOD presented a petition to the same effect. ...._. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from Finsbury to the same effect. Mr. WAKLEY supported the prayer of the petition and stated that at the meeting yesterday he (Mr. Wakley) handed a Bill containing the Lords' Amendments to the people, and asked them what the House of Commons ought to do with it, upon which they tore it in ten thousand pieces. He mentioned this to show the feeling of the people on the subject. Mr. GRATTAN was at the meeting yesterday, as an elector for Middlesex, and could assure the House that he had not heard a word at all disrespectful to the House of Lords.— ( A laugh.) Mr. A. CHAPMAN could assure the House, that though he was a constituent of the Hon. Member for Finsbury, he had not helped to tear the Bill in question. Sir A. LEITH HAY presented a petition from the Royal Burgh of Banff, praying that the Lords' amendments in the Irish Corporation Bill be rejected. Mr. W. O'BRIEN presented 28 petitions to the same effect from places in the country of Limerick. Mr. C. WOOD presented a petition to the same effect from Halifax. IRISH CHURCH. Mr. D. W. HARVE Y gave notice that on the Order of the Day for going into Committee on the Irish Church Bill, he would move that it be an instruction to the Committee to insert in any Bill for the abolition of tithes, that it was the duty, and would be the care of the House, to provide a rent charge on the land, so that there might be no diminution in the efficiency of that for which tithes were imposed. He also gave notice that to-morrow he would present a petition from occupiers of land in Radnorshire, complaining of arbitrary conduct on the part of the Woods and Forests. Mr. 0. CAVE presented a petition from the inhabitants of the City of Westminster, praying the House to reject the Amendments of the House of Lords in the Irish Municipal Reform Bill. The petition went on to state that should the House of Lords refuse to pass the Bill, after the rejection of their amendments, it would show to the country that their op position to every measure of Reform showed the necessity of an alteration of the Constitution, so as to impose responsibility on the Members of the Upper House. The Hon. Member presented a similar petition from Nenagb, in the county of Tip perary. Lord J. RUSSELL hoped, considering the great public anxiety there was, to learn the course which that House would think fit to pursue, with respect to the amendments made by the House of Lords in the Bill sent up to them from that House for the Reform of the Irish Municipal Corporations, that the Hon. Member for Worcester ( Mr. Robinson) would consent to postpone his motien respecting Portugal, that stood for that evening, so as to let the discussion on the Irish Corpo- , ration Bill take precedence. Mr. ROBINSON, under the circumstances, as stated by the Noble Lord, would consent to postpone his motion ; but only on the understanding that he should be allowed to bring it forward on the first supply night or on the 19th of June. He considered the question of our relations with Portugal so important that he could not defer it, if he did not under stand that the course adopted by our GovernmCnt was very likely to bring the whole of the matters that were pending between the two Governments, and which were of such great commercial interest, to a satisfactory conclu sion.—( Hear, hear.) After a few observations from Lord JOHN RUSSELL, which were inaudible in the gallery, Mr. ROBINSON gave notice that be would bring forward his motion on the 17th of July. DRAWING UP OF THE STATUTES. Mr. AGL lONBY stated that his notice in the paper was for a Select Committee to enquire into the expediency of ap pointing Commissioners to assist in the drawing and devis ing of the future statutes, so as to avoid a great many objec tions that existed to the present mode. He had no doubt the Committee would be granted without any discussion, consi dering that he had the authority of the Noble Lord the Secre tary for the Home Department and the Right Hon. Baronet, the Member for Tamworth, for saying that the present mode ought to be altered. He only wished that so important a subject had fallen into the hands of any other Member than himself. He had spoken with the Commissioners who had re ported on the consolidation of the Statute Law, (and a more valuable report, or one full of more interest or infor mation was never before produced); and they thought that some such plan as he suggested would be desirable. The Hon. Member stated, that if the Noble Lord and the Right Hon. Baronet would take the management of the Com mittee, it would be doubly gratifying to him. Lord JOHN RUSSELL did not see any objection to the appointment of a Committee for the purpose alluded to by the Hon. Member. Sir R. PEEL thought it would have been better if the Hon. Member had shaped his motion in more general terms. Mr. AGLIONBY had no objection to comply with the suggestion of the Right. Hon. Baronet. He would therefore withdraw his motion for the present, and submit it again before the rising of the House. FEES OF THE COURTS OF LAW. Mr. Sergeant G 0 UL BURN, in moving for leave to bring in a Bill for carrying into effect the recommendations of the Commissioners under the Act (Ist William IV., chap. 58), for regulating the fees and emoluments of the Superior Courts of Common Law, would postpone all discussion upon the de tails of the measure until the second reading..... Leave was then given to bring in the Bill. CONFERENCE WITH THE LORDS. The Masters in Chancery appeared on the part of the Lords, to request a conference with the House of Commons, on the subject of the resolutions of February last, in reference to the printing and promulgation of the statutes ; also upon the propriety of having the Bills engrossed in plain hand in stead of black letter. Mr. PRYME, and other Members, were appointed, and after an absence of about a quarter of an hour, the Deputation ap peared at the bar, when Mr. PRYME announced that the conference on the part of their Lordships was conducted by the Lord President of the Council. The Hon. Member then proceeded to read the reasons assigned by their Lordships for agreeing to and dissenting from the resolution which commenced by the usual preamble that " their Lordships, always desirous to keep up a good correspondence with the House of interrupted by The Honourable Member was here by a cheer from Mr. O'Connell, which was followed by laughter and cheers from the Ministerial side of the House. The Honourable Member then proceeded to state that their Lordships had agreed to rescind the first resolution in conformity with the recommendation of the Committee, but that they did not concur in the Resolu tion which adopted a uniformity of size, because their Lord ships were of opinion that there should be two editions of the statutes for promulgation. Their Lordships concurred in the resolution that the copies of Acts which were deposited iu public offices and courts should be stamped, in order to their better preservation. Their Lord ' ships could not concur in the resolution for departing from the present mode of engrossing Bills in black letter ; they had no objection that the names of p ersons an d p l aces might be written in plain hand.—(A laugh.) LAW OF COPYRIGHT. Mr. BUCKINGHAM moved for leave to bring in a Bill to extend the Copyright Laws of England to Ireland. After an observation from Sir R. INGLIS, which was in audible in the gallery, Mr. BUCKINGHAM said, that in the city of Dublin the Copyright Act was constantly invaded, and the publishers of this country suffered. Sir R. INGLIS did not see why the discussion should take place now. Mr. O'CONNELL said that the objection, if any, to come from Ireland. They did not want to do injustice to the English at all, and therefore they did not make any ob jection. ought Sir R. INGLIS hoped that the discussion would be post poned till Monday. Mr. BUCKINGHAM did not see why he should not move for leave to introduce the Bill now. Daily injury was arising from the present state of the law. After a few words from Lord J. RUSSELL, which were totally inaudible in the Gallery, Mr. BUCKINGHAM said that if the Noble Lord expressed a wish that he should withdraw his motion, he would do so.—(Loud cries of " No," and " Move.") He saw no rea son for delay.—( Hear, hear.) The Hon. Member concluded by moving for leave to bring in the Bill. Sir R. INGLIS said he would divide the House upon the question, if the Hoe. Member fer Sheffield persisted in his motion.