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11QUSg OF COMMONS: TUESDAY, FEB. 2. • Mr. Won presented Copies of the Sailing Or ders issued by Admiral Gambier, and other Papers to the Naval Transa6tions in the Baltic. Mr.'%ViwritaxAn urged the• necessity of having fnese Papers printed with all possible expedition, as there would oe occasion to refer to them in the de bate of to-morrow. . Mt: WARD said, all 'possible expedition shonld' be used ; but, to prevent any inconvenience from eventual disappointment, there should be duplicates of the manuscripts, on_ the table, for the use of the Members, The Sr nAttta read a Letter from Lord Cathcart, 'expressing, in appropriate terms, his Lordship's ae knowledgment,for the honour done to him in the Nte Vote of Thanks. The American Intercourse Bill was read a second time,.and ordered to be committed",to-niorrow. BgAzIL TRADE. 'Li: a Committee en that part of the Navigation Mt which relates to the Importation from the' Brazils, ,Mr. Ron moved a Resolution, the . Chairman to move forleave to bring in a Bill to permit the Importation of all Articles of the prodati of the Brazils in Portugueze Ships. In answer to an inquiry from-Lord H. PETTY, whether. it was intended. to permit the iniportation of sugars of the groWth Cli'• the Brazils Mr. Rose siated, that it was intended to permit, Alacier proper d'itles, the ithportation of thatundvery other ar tick of the-produce of that Colony.--,The Resoln lion Was agreed to and reported, and leave given to bliniln a Pill aecordittgl;(.' STATE PAP Mr. PONSONJ3Y rose. to 'oak a few. questions stiggested by the perusal of the .. Papers laid on the' taLleyederday. 'L he answers to those questions he inaierial,, preParatory ti the debate that 1../.13 CO COUR" on. to-morrow. Between the .dispatches 7, aul No. 8, that is, between gth September. and tat (Moho., there appeared a great vacuum. He wished to kiny.v, whether any, divatch had been io tk.t interval, and, if tiicre hod taeri; 'whether its contents were ore nature that render tho, diselointe of. thein• improper ? Them was ON a O n other great blank between the ist OCtober, and the 20th of the sante month, .with revel* to which he %%idled for similar information. Bo also wished to know, why the Otficial 'Noteof: Lord Granville Levesut\ Gower, .accotnpanying the Copy of the Capitulation of Copenhagen, laid betbre the Russian C.;;,‘Trorni•nt, was not among . the Papers on the tible. The oinissiou of this Nom was the more ex traordinary, as the aniwer to 'it, and a dispatch ~epics! 4.ofcrted to it, Were among those Papers. Vo. 6, No. 0, and No. tt, were only extratis; and %ctne not very satistaaory. Hie allowed that clis p-itchits May frequently be of such a nature, that it :stay not the proper to produce itie whole of them ; 4nd if the dispatched in question were. of that .na . tete, he had no desire to find .thult with the exer 6Se of the discretion of his Maiesty'S Ministers with tuspea to them. - _try, se cr etary CANNII G,. before be answered tlos Hon. Geatieroan in detail, begged leave to re thin tile Order made on his Motion did not re.t . iire the produCtion of the whole of the Olftelal Correspondence between his Majesty's I>issidor and Government, with the Goftruinent v f , imsos, but sub mediation related to the application for the of Russia in the quarrel with I)entnark. Though some dispatched may have pssed, th , t were not produced, it wale not therefore to he. inferred, that they contained any infOrtnation en the particular point on wind) the House desired to be informed. He could not say absolutely, that rip' other dispatches had' been received,. but be was certain that there were none relative tuihe subjeci in question, which were not given to the House. With tesped to the other dispatches, of which only extratis had been given, it was certainly the tact, that from the practice growing up in ParLianient, and he was Sorry to see it growing up, of demanding pu t ters on every sobjeCt, the exemise .4; discretion al luded to by the Hon. Gentleman' was indispensably necessary to be vested in his Majesty's Ministers, with a view to the safety and well being of the State. 'Dispatches iront Ambassadors frequently mixedwith the particular subjects that formed the principal heads of their general observations on the state of the Ctitat and Country, particular end private .circuinstauces, wli4i it Would be extremely inju ri<Ati cud improper to make public. With respect to the Note ultich had been made the subject of priieular — .:.inquiry, he was not sure Whether there wcti,a copy' Ot it in the ottice. The Substance orit hurl been prodnced. Mr. PONSO,Ni'jY said, that, if thnro *as_ no' Copy of the Not! it COnid not be produced. But !:,+- 54) to eright,on d.,,,,lt;,,:nL,i; u! ~t for, the „; 'rrel with Denmark, '). ti • ' Int the Stibiett of Ce. . • t; • • '" :U there were it !Ho modiation, :1 ) Y, od that ,„ , , ~L,., i 41y to • ; 1 - Zialed to the stibi.,;;.t lifr. IPHITBRA.iII observed, that film were two.rapei - s among those presented Mit had no re ference to the business of mediation, one a Paper presented to Count Sohike(); and the other to Count Woronzoti - : gaNNIAG admitted that there was no di. reet rearenee ft) the mediation'in these Papers. i' HOUSE OP PEERS, TUESDAY, Fla, 2, en,.ER.IAL P4R4J4MENT. Counsel were again heard on the Irish Appeal, ro- J. Hill, v. .Silence. To .be further heard on .:londay next. Mr. BANKES brought up' froin the Commons the Bill for preventing The granting of, Places in Ite.ver sinh ; which was read a first time. - , Lord Mouth laid on the table, and moved the first reading of a. Bill for 4 arneraling the Law of Debtor and Creditor, and for punishing Fraudulent Debtors. kliS Lordship said, thatAuripg, List Session he had moved the printing of the 11;4, . that it might he'under consideration during the BeCeSs ; neither was,it now his intention to press the second reading of the Bill until he should see such Noble Lords in their places as he had reason to believewould . take an. interest in the measure.--.-AdjoUrned.. - EXI'EDITJON TO CONSTANTINOPLE. Mr, Secretary C.1.1V.N INC wished tha_t..the Illa tion, of which notice had been given, for Papers relative to the Expedition •to Constantinople, and, the cause that led to it, should be postponed, in order to afford an opportunity of ,hearing the senti 'mews of the late Ministers, during whose Admi eistration the transaction had taken a lace,. as to the extents° which ii would be proper to make the dis closure: He had made the communication to one of the Members of4te late Administration, and ex- Te6ted their answer -as soon as an' opportunity of taking their colletlive sense could be found. llfr, GRENVILLE was anxious on his own part add that of his Colleagues, that the most ample in fOrmation should.be laid before the House on the subject of the Expedition to the Dardanelles, so as to enable the House and the Country to form a fair judgment on every point connected with it. He saw no necessity for any reserve. He wished to have the whole extent of the subject fully investi gated, the causes that led to the Expedition, the scledion and amount of the force that was entrusted with the'execution of the plan, and the nomination of the Officers to command that force. The Hon. Gentleman. would therefore pardon him if he de precated all previohs communication, particularly With a. view to any reserve in the communication of the Papers necessary to give the fullest materials to dire& the judgment of the House.- This judgment he was anxious to. obtain for himself and all others concerned.l e they ln it alone he saw a presped of relief from that' load of insinuations, sarcasms, and 'epi grair'is, which were not easily answered ; and which, injured the charaders pf the' Ministers imti advised and the Officers.that,executed,. but ill stiTiplied to the Country the want of that. sober se riees it:ell:dry which alone was calculated to answer the ends of public justice. , CdNNING said, the motive of the intention to move,for the Papers had come upon him by sur prize, lie had thought it proper to communicate with the Noble Lord opposite (Lord H. Petty), as to the course it might be prpper to pursue with respect to the Motion, intending, however, at the same time, to be principally and ultimately guided by what his own judgment should suggest td be due to the public . service. He was sorry the Noble Lord did not state to him yester i day, that the offer which he then privately tnade, and the Noble Lord pri vately accepted, was to be publicly rejedetl te-day, The established courtesy between both sides of the House, as ,it had suggested a. private offer of the communication on his part, should also have shewn the propriety of a private,refusal on the part Of the Hon. Pentlemee opposite, if they meant to refuse it. He ;must still on his own account repeat the request to: have the motion postponed, not having had thne to procure the voluminous Papers on the subjed, so as to• know what Ott ought to be pro- . (laced, and what ought not. The Hon. Gentleman opposite wished the whole to be produced ; but as 1.•.1.3“..3n; hcld vkwa edi every sati jed, and this transadion had.so far gone by tts: to be now butmatter Of history, he should be disposed to thiok, there may be many of the Papers that it would be wholly unnecessary and even injutious.to make poblic.. ______ _ Mr: GRENVILLE not having attended the I House yesterday, had no information as to what had imbed on the subject of this Notice, but from the report of those present. He had heard nothing of any private commuiticatien, and thinking the allusion - made this night by the Right Hon. Gentle man the first mention of it, be telt himself called upon from his own sense and feelings, and what he' bad 'reason to think was the feeling of his late Col leagues, to ask for a general disclosure, without any' move or communication. He did not wish to in. elude. things remote or irrelevant in wishing for an unrestrained disclosure, his object was to put the Hansa in possession of documents; which .would spew that the Expedition to the Dardanelles rested on groinvis very different indeed from what was generally , supposed, If sufficient Papers should be produced this-would be abundantly proved. Lord H. PETTY did certainly understand, that ice obji:a of the Right Hon. Gentleman's catuirm nization to him, was to ascertain the sentiments and wisies 0,1 his Majesty:6 late Ministers, and stated that (~,,'!inetly in the note he had written last night to some of his late Colleagues, who were par- , Ocularly inteirested, But while he . thought the Gentleman's communication entitled to this attention, be entirely coincided in the opinion of his Hon. Friend, that every thing that could,with propriety be laid before the House on the subjett of the Expedition to the Dardanelles, ought to be laid before the House as speedily as possible. After some further explanation between Lord H. . PETTY and Mr. CANNING, Mr. TAYLoI; proposed to put OF his Motion till Monday. , NEW AIiftANGEMENTS Wren TIIE RANK The CMINCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER begged the Hon, Gentleman to tix some other day besides Monday, ax it was his intention to submit to the House'On that, day the substance of what bad passed between him and the Guvornor and Deputy Governor of the flank, inconsequence of the Report of the Committee ofFinanee, relative to the manage ment of the public debt. Mr. TAYLOR digit named. Thursday sennight for hi 3 Motion. 13ANI1URY COMMITTEE. Mr. Wilma presented at the Ihir the reduced nit, containing the names of the Members ap pointed to try the metits of the Banbury Elec tion, viz. Hon. E. Finch, H. a.wan. Esti. F. ryni, F. I-lortier. hq. W. E. Welbv, N. Calvert, Lg. Sir I. S. Yorke, Nese. 1.. Onudas, EN. I Right }lnn. C. Bathurst. AMERICAN TREATY. Right Hon. R. Dund 4s. Right lien. !kir I. Newport. 1. Egerton, Esq. 11. rrtith, Esq. AdalTIS. T, Thutnton, Esq. - N 1 Air. EDEN rose ill pursuance of his notice, to moves for au „Addrey; to his Majpsty, praying th m h o wonld be graciously pleased to order tube laid before the House on authentic Copy of the Message tat tl, President of the United States of America to both, Utilises of Congress, communicating his refusal to" ratify the Treaty concluded between the. Commis sioners appointed on the part of his Majesty and the United -States, about a year since, 'The Hon.:Gen iletnan made a few brief observationsi tending to' show the mischief that arose from the non:ratifica, tion, and expressing a hope 'that an amicable ar- ' rangement was not impracticable, concinded with 4s, Motion according to his notict - T - - "- Mr. Secretary CANNING was apprehensive a difficulty of form might have arisen, ,(for there could have been no other ditliculty,) as to .the produclion of the Paper.referred to in the Hon. Gentleman's . Motion. There was nothing in America that cor responded with our Gazette.; and the copy of the President's Message sent to this . Country by his Ma jesty's Ambassador was in fa 4 only extraaed 'from a newspaper. On this day, however.. he (Mr. Can ning) had seen the American Minister, who had. promised to furnish him with an .authentic which might enable his Majesty's Government to fulfil the objeti of the Hon. Gentleman's Motion, Whether or not the President could ratify, or refuse to ratify, the Treaty, without the consent of Con gress, was a question arising:out of the American Constitution, with which- the ParliaMent of this Country bad nothing to. The Cengi•ess could do nothing till the President had transmitted the Treaty to them, and the power of transmitting or not.trans mining, was, in effeta, equal to a power to ratify or' not, as his - discretion should dtredF; 'The Treaty was returned to this Country by the, President urt. ratified. . Mr. TIERNEY adverted to the unguarded expres~• sion in the Speech from the Throne,' in which his L Majesty .was made:to commen4 on theTtesideat's Mesiage on the authority of a'neWspaper report -- The etfea Of these comments was to excite a ; belief, !that : the Treaty.had been absolutely rejected; where as, in fad, it may:yet be ratified. Mr: CANNINS explained. The Honourable Gen. tieman was under a complete misunderstanding as to fads. The Address moved for by Mr. EDEZ,I was or dered. BANK. ACCOMMODATION. VERN4Y, as the propriety of.the late bar-' gain between the Itink and the Government, with a view to the public service,' was to be discussed on Monday, thought it right to move for Copies of all Correspondence between the GoVernor and Deputy Governor of the Bank and the. Chancellor of the: , Exchequer, or First Lord of the Treasury, since the Ist of May last, relative to the management of the Public Debt, the application of unclaimed -Divi dends, and Loans nom the Bank to the Public, be laid before the House. The propriety of having the documents was suggested by the re colleOion of the failure of the memory of Mr. Pitt and the Governor of the . Bank for the time, as to the particulars of a conversation relative to a matter of this nature, which had passed between them not a month before they were called to speak to it, a matter which afterwards turned out to be a profit able speculation for the Bank. The CHANCELLOR if the EXCITEQUER said, the present case was very difkrent from that alluded to by the Hon. Gentleman ; there was no extension of the. Charter of the Ha n k i n thi s cw .„...„, the advsetaso of the arras zement was all on the side of the Public. The arrangement arose from the suggestions 'of the , Report of the Committee of Finance, submitted to the Bank by his Majesty's Ministers, and acceded to with the usual liberality of that Institution. In consenting to the Motion, lie 'acknowledged he saw no Parliamentary ground tor producing all the Correspondence : many of the let-. ters referred to conferences managed on the ope part by him, and on the other part' by the Goveritat arid Deputy Governor.. The subitanee of these cep versations could not be stated. 'Mr. THORN TON said the Negociation had proceeded partly by means of letters, and partly by means of conferences managed on ie part of the Bank by the Governor and Deputy Governor, the substance of which was reduced into a. conne6Ae4i form, ,and Au*nitted by the Governor and Deputy Governor. to the Court of Proprietors,: then. the •whole was made the subje&of an ultimate letter. 44. Re supposed the inforthation contained in this letter would be sufficient, as it contained, in aeuhstan• tinl and connedled' form, the essOck,of Oa; passed verbally in cc:lnference and in notes referring to those conferences. The Papers mere ordered. Mr. HUSKISSON, with a view to the discus sion which was to come forward on Monday, .in which the applicati o n of the pnclaitned Dividends would .be a material featere, moved that thero . be laid before the House on Account of the Amount of those Dividends in can Quarter, on the day pre;. vious to the payment tr . = the Bank:into theExehe (pier. Ordered.i—Adjcurned. • • • • 't Malta, Aatrvito—t bttblin. Out -5 Gottenburgh, 5 Waterford. PRICE OF STOCKS Tills MAY AT TWILVIL O'CLOCK. Consols ..... . - ; 631 THE SUN. EOLEM QUI( DICZAY 41.111 ht AUDEAT ? LONDON, WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 3; 1808. Government this morning received dispatches from Halifax, dated the 6th of January. The intelli gence which they bring from the United States is not, we understand, of so late a date, as that iVhich has already reached - this Country. No mention is Made in them of the death of Sir JAMES ChAIG that° can be, theretbre, no doubt that the report which was circulated of his death is unfounded. This morning we received Pqris I:(zpers , to the 26th ult. alto only articles of interest -which they contain are two Conversations stated , to have passed betwceti Mr. CANNOIG and Mr. RIST, the Danish Charge d'Affaires ; and also a Correspondence be tweett.connt 4takillTORPP I , and. Swedish ter, upon.the suojcet of the OCci f lpaii4ll Of Zp a i l i a d by Swedish troops. , The Maniteur of the 25th contains a Report ad dressed.:loi BUONAPAETE by the Minister for re-' reign Affairs, in which he endeavours to justify the attack made by France upon Portugal.- The principal, indeed the only accusation Pre ferred against the Portuguese Government, it its attachment to Great Britain. We have not MOM to give the whole Of the Report, which, however, is very uninteresting: it concludes with complaining that, notwithitanding the repeated and urgent remonstrances of France, the PRINCE Itr , GENT 'contrived, from time to,time, to delay join ' ing in the ConWeracy against Great Britain, and Confiscating the British Property in Portugal. " At one time a delay was required, in order to send the Prince of BEY RA, a child twelve years . old, t 0 protect the Brazils, in case of their ; being at tacked by the English ; and at another: time 4 delay Was required, bqcauge 3 Squadron was eapeaeti from the Mediterranean, which the Portuguese Co . ' vernment wished to see in safety in the Tagus.", There is another Report irom the Kline Minister to BLIONAPARTE,, dated the 2d htn.;.2,ry : it announce!" tins departure of the Portuguese Goveriiseut. and: adds, that it is necessary to occupy Portugal so,.h Nve cch r s e id er e tti b n o e d d y Q f that Tro ops,lhe Ell4blieshca:soeualdppmreahkeensioioss attempts upon its ceasts., ft also adds, that tte: Spanish Government felt some alarm for Cadiz, ea: for Ceuta. These Reports convey. no hint of Bco- . NAPARTE'S future intentions rc.pc6ting Portugal. . ! 'k t Eigbtythousand men of the conscription bf 1809 are called; notwithstanding the conclusion or a Glr. - • v e t ? n Peace, " which has tixcd for ever the destinifs the Continent." • .1 . , THE Papers which we yesterday submitted to the' Public, respelling our late intercourse with Russia, must universally have excited a full convi6tion ef. the justice of our, cause. That there were Secret Articles in the. Treaty of Tilsit, though repeatedly doubted, if not denied, by the Opposition Writers was evident in the acknowledgment of BUDBEIVIA SOLTIKOFF, and ROMAN zow, the Russian Ministers. They declared, indeed,' that those Secret Articlut had no relation to this Country. This acknowledg. ment; however, afforded a strong reason why gfe should expeet to have them disclosed to us, even if we. admitted that they might have no immediate relation to Great Britain. A full communication was not too uauth for us to require of a friendlY Power, and Russia was, in that state of the Nego" tiation, to be still regarded in such a light. If the' Secret Articles **ere harmless as to us, why net reveal them ? lint were they harmless as to out Allies ? and, in their probable consequences, as t° ourselves ? These are questions which we had 3 right to ask ; and the refusal to disclose thean man'" tested a spirit unfavourable to this Country, or total submission to the diaates of France; and in such a stata of things Great Britain might well hesitate to admit Russia as a Mediator, between ns and our Ertel, to whom she was devoted, or by whom she was it" tiinidated. Wie need twit pursue this subjea tarsi farther.' The Papers speak for themselves, and, a proof that they do so, even the Opposition Write" can extort nothing from them that can furnish on argument against the conduit of the British CAW' net, or throw any doubt upon Its sincere disposition to Peace, if Peace could be obtained upon term' t 9 which we could nonourably accodo. .Our last letters from America state, that the funds ot, the United States hsd fallen faille atl to 60, uh' der the general dread of a rupture with Great Bri' Wm' Lettere from Oporto of the 90th ult. have bre° received .1 9 town. The writers describe their present situation as lanientable, and their prospees equ ali rf (I,:pkirable. They are suffering under a scarcity th• 0 provisions ; and this c a l am i t y is awls% ated by obligation of supporting 1,i,u00 Spanish troops. A report prevailed yesterday morning, ,aid to "7, founded on intelligence received frota Russia had declared war against Sweden. About 2000 troops, in detachm e nts of the 6th o Corps, embarked lait wee k at P o rtsmouth and Co ve° I 10th, 21st, 48th, and for the Mediterran e a n . Th e v have • orders to j oin General SPENCER'S Brigade, at Falmouth. 62d Regiments, and the Sta Private Letters state, that a levy en ,masse has taken place in Sweden by 'order of the Government , and that there it not a male in the kingdom cap able at bearing arms who is not a soldier. In . Stock hoiast alone the ithlitia consists of 10,600 elle 6 ti vi, ; men. To the pretensiomi o f Ruisia the. p t Sweden is determined to make every rebistance; A Letter from Copenhagen, dated Jattuaryi, says, " The 10th ult. .the batter of the Th ree , y • Crowns stopped a Vessel Under Russian colours ,o3 which had been furnished with faire papers, at t e st " R int that she came from a neutral Port the-real Po; pers.being lad in a false ham, made of tit), and place.° s in a locker in the captain's cabin. A Danish sailer; who was on board against his will, dise.overed' the deception to flee Officer sent on board, and told him that the Ship came from London. Her cargQ,e'LT sisting of kerseymeres, pieces of handkerchists ,-ew is valued at 1,000,000 rix dollars." On Saturday seinnight, the post-boy:,cOnvey. ing 'the cross.p ost l e tt ers from- Dungann o n to Belot was stepped near Dungannon, about twelve o'0 0 "' • at night, by two meth who rubbed him of the mime' An inhuman monster who has lately stabbed sot raj xouvg women in Portsmouth, and the placo its a 11t, wagon Aleti4ay apprshensied arid corPin to prison.