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*Merl Anditetanef expence which it had never been ventured be been 9n rn-aslew hiay toinet this coman as!, he to meet t it lihe charge a iti. s sf winch hae t aga him, thought m air that et 'to laatefore Pprliament amongst the charges of Sandhurst. Colonel NA VIES appealed to the President's Message as a time like the present, such language should be applied to the the authority on which he had supposed the expence of the Noble Lord upon what slainonly be ye t vae epent—Meat) American College to he extremely moderate. Mr. HIJAIE sold t h at t know w e was not to allude the ges against the Governor ot' the Cape of Good Hope, Mr. lIUME admitted that it was the duty of Gover nment to when the char y_ were'called upon to vote this sum of money. ...see that the officers of the army were efficiEnt , but if the prin . The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, it was ciple of making their education a national expence, was a cate r n_ ot to , ffie Hon . . Me_mb u er's opposition to the vote, that his Gal. ettet one, it would equally apply to every 'other department o the State. . Oer Arabessettors, for instance, ought certainly to lent Friend objected, at to the unguarded phrase which he . hevAtie ;vie:image' of ihisenotte of instruction.; they cost t h e hod suffered himself to use, when he stated that the Governor of the Cape of Cid /lope was hated by all the world. ',:country about 200,600 t. per annum, end were lamentably prepared whenever they tad any thing to .10. He ell the Mr. HUME Pa s td he Meant to have said, that Lord Charles officent of the arrny to he Well educated, but he wield as the. Somerset was hated by all the inhabitants of the Colony. lie nfitantellot 6f the Ekelieteuer if the 24 5 0001. per mantel contri. wished to know why they should keep up the payment of 5000/. 'belted by time attitien te themselves wits nia euffisient to pey all fi_ r Oarrisons, when . If the Colonie . ii were properly , governed, tb . cessar-J, eXpences ofehe Inetitution. Why, tie . eaken. _twa t , they . woyld naythter whole expenc e s thems i elyes. Ihe charges against ,ord Charles Somerset were not as, they had been tike thennfront the that anti teach them their letters S Ile hat k e pt i t p, but . let the commonly reported these foar years. (Expressions of disap. no objectionee the establishment • being indivithiels -who derived the bene fi t pay the expo uce m ot it i probation.) of poor officers, to A Alnetitrot.—" it was an unmanly attack." • stead of the 'State, excepting Mr. it 07,11 a; proceeded to ask, in die charges were not true, isii t ele g r etuitoos education no t t l n e j u ee r ri h o t rr could. tie made. The was no riding - why he we s . not come over ? If they were--why - was he not Hon. and flalbuit (heat said_ that there . est:thinner - tent, why, e very , corps of cavalry had a riding estab- brought to justice ? Mr. W. HORTON said that a Lieutenant-Governor had He thought th e staff tiehment enough to Mat the *hole array. of this establishment excessive, and shottld therefore move that - bsee_wsene hiss that Lord . C. Somerset could not laave the - . Celony until successor arrived. It any public officer had the estimate be reduced tg 31:might that the statement of 001. the eon - muted himself by his conduct, the Hon. Member, or any ;iii HUSSEY VIVI a t flow Member, as to the incompetency of Ambassadors, waelth. Gendethan opposite might think himself responsible to the if' it could be suppos ed correct, rather operate against his own people for bringing such officer to account for a —but in Golfs ' egument. It wits true that every cavalry regiment had a rid. name, and in the nanui of justice, let him have a fair trial— air a tati ddisliment ; hot it mule be recollected that the staff, end (Cheers)—and lee not these attacks, founded upon rumour th - e field ttflicets of infantry, also required to learn to ride. As alone, be reiterated in this manner, when preparations were ac he wee on his legs, he would Putte to the !louse the information welly being made for investigating the eme.—(Hear, heart ) he had received relating to an occurrence in the 1001 Light The Ilan. Member chose to say that the Colonies would be very Dragoons, which recently to ok p lace at Exeter, and to which an glad to pay their own expehces. He begged to saythey wool.. Mon. Baronet, whoa, he regretted not to see in his place,had on be very idled to do no. such thing.—(A laugh.)—lf the lion. a former eveningicalleddlie.ateention of the House. He lament- Member thought the Canadas ought not to be kept ut the ex. ed that subjects of military complaint -*tmid be frequently pence they cost, let him bring the subject before the House, and brought forward in that House; the tendency of debates on slat take the opportunity affindeti by a resolution on an estimate such itubjects was exceedingly mischievous. He imputed no for entering into such a question. bed intention to the lion. Baronet, who had certainly expr essed Colonel - DAVIES expressed his wish that his lion. Friend would take the hint given by the lion. Secretary, and bring Ids persuasion that the facts would turn out to have been greedy . exagieerated. He had at the time expressed the same opinion, the whole subject of our (Ames forward. • lie would ,not sit And had great satisfaction in now stating that his opinion had still and see his Hon. Friend run dawn.—(Laughter.) been ffilly confirmed. He bad received a statement from the Mr. S. RICE eulogized the character of the Lieutenant. Commanding Officer of the Regiment, which, although it was Governor sent out to the Cape. too long to read, he could say fully bore out the opinion he Mr. HUME maid, that the eulogy of his Hon. Friend had 'had expressed. The man had conducted himself in a most nothing to do with the question. He might as well have eulo. improper manner, anti to avoid the necessary of corporal pu. gized Sir Peregrine Pickle.—( le ud latigliter.)-11e wished nithment, lie had been imprisoned for two days in the Barack. to know why there are to he garit4ons to be paid for at die yard. lie had the satisfaction also to say that lie hoed received Cape of Good Hoppe, when there were none at 'Jamaica. He letters from the Mayor and two Magistrates of Exeter, stating moved, that the Vote be reduced tom:. being the sum for their utter aisbelief of the account given by a newspaper pub- (liaisons at Gibraltar, the Cape of Good Hope, anti the •Ca lished in diet city, and bearing the highest testimony to thege. nadas. nerat good conductor the regiment. He had had thebonour of Mr..W. HORTON said that at the Cap e of flood Hope the eommending that distinguished corps fir a considerable period, taxes were imposed by the Government, and the proposition of and he felt anxious to vindicate it from the unfounded prejudices the lion. Member would he, that the Colonists should be fur. .Ind the unjust aspersions to which it had been exposed. Theta ther taxed to this amount, avid which lie , (Mr. Hortoo) con . certainly existed in die regiment a strong esprit de corps, which tended they should not bear. had been manifested on one occasion in a manner rather unfor. •Lord PALM E ItSTON said that if the Honourable Member tunete. But the opinion which generally 'prevailed that the objected to this vote because the Colonies ought to pay for their Officers of the (oth were devoted to any thing rather than to garrisons, the principle would lead hint to the same objection their military duties,was entirely unthunded. The officers were with respect to other military forces. generally young men of the most distinguished families of the Mr. HUME Raid, that in many of the West India Islands, •. country ; yet, anti he mentioned it as a circumstance highly garrison expences were paid, and not the other military • honourente to them as military men, that they were all anxious charges. to obtain the office of Adjutant, the duties of which every min. Sir It. WILSON was of opinion that the Cape of Good tary man knew to be most laborious. The present Adjutant Hope had the means of paying all its expences. Under the was a (ientlenian connected s with one ofelie highest families of Dutch Governor a large military chest had been collected the kingdom. during a dine of . difficulty. With regard to the present Go. Mr. 310NCK urged the propriety-of Officer* paying the ex. Verner it was understood that lie was on his way to answer the peaces of their own education. Now that the currency was charges againsthim, and he thought it but fair that his Hon. about to be improved, anda general expectation prevailed that Friend should in justice abstain from such remarks as lie had they were goingeobavelow prices, he thought it highly hum. matle.—(Cheers.) tent to attend to considerations of economy. The Committee divided— tlenend (lASCOYNE observed on the inconsistency of the ' For the Amendment • - - - 21 lion. Member, fer 'A bertleen. lie thought that when that Hon. For. the original Resolution - . - 106 I Member admitted the propriety of Officers sons being educated Majority - - - —O5 .at a very small expence, he had completely answered hitneelf. For time charge of full pay for reduced, retired, Sir JOSE Pll YORKE thought the controtil of Government and unattached Officers of his Majesty's Forces £123,500 00 • over the establishment, fully worth all the expence. In many For the charge Mb:dr-pay toredneed and retired I other public iteminitries the youths learned nothing, or less than Officers of his slejtety's Land Forces . 724,100 0 0 nothing. Their chief study might be supposed to have been For military allowances under ti same head - 46,430 2 0 extrevitganee• and swindling. These Resolutions were agree d to without observation. Mr. HUME gone Retesd with the Gallant Admiral respect- For the charge of half-pay a n d reduced allowances ing the nubile eetineatita to which helm(' alluded. Ile wished to Officers of disbanded foreign corps, of pensions he hail spoken more pleinly. Did he mean Eton or Hetrow, to wounded foreign Officen, anti of allowances to .or both ' (.1 slightemitroutr..) He believed the o.lm:talon at the widows and children of deceased foreign Sandhurst lobe better; but his objection was, to their paying Ofifcers £lO7, to 296 . for the children of other,people. IA - laugh.) It was too hard AD id USI E asked whether these Officers were allowed. to be taxed to pay int the education of the children of rich men. sell their half-pl. He particularly objected to the extravagant - scale of' military Lord PALMERSTON said the were permitted to sell, as in superintendence. Ile should certainly, therefore, take the sense the case of our own corps, with this difference, t h ud they had of the Committee. not so large an allowahce. Lord PA LNIERSTON was convinced that no other serni. ' Mr. HUME said, that such a system enabled diem to sell nary could so perfect an education be imparted at so small an to young officers, and so to perpetuate the Half. pay list. expence, taking the total expence of this establishment. The Lord - PALMERSTON assured die lion. Member that it youths were instructed) in the languages, history, geography, was by no means perpetuating the half pay list, for that those astronomy, military drawing, and a great variety of other tic. who bought were not a bit more immortal than those who sold. quitements. The institution conferring these important ad- Foreign Officers were not allowed to sell after they were above vantage's could not be c rendered an expensive piece of mach!. a certain age, and unless they produced a certificate spewing; very. The Hon' alember thotenit they ought to pay each his that they laboured underno disease or casualty likely to shorten full abate of the ciperice, but it. wag to be recollected, that there the Period of life. One good effect of this Plan was, that it *rote a greet many officer* who were not rich, who were in fact converted it half-pay list of foreignere, who could not be called soldiers of fortune. StVould the Hon. Alember with the NOM{ UPOII to serve without an Act of Parliament, into one which was available for service whenever Officers :night be wanted. 6 such Officers to f'lie deprived of the opportunity thus afforded The them, to become qualified for the higher branches of the pro. arrangement, as it worked, would be of general advantage to • tauten ? Ream:tam mild tiot e lie thought, be desirable, in this the Arnmy. which he considered the most important of all our military Mr. HUME contended that it went to extend the annuities rstablishmants......4 n ut, b ur n ee tt e wou ld say, let.their arm y payable by the country, and that it was an unconstitutional in. be a large or a small one, in either mite it was necessary to edu. crease of the patronage of the Crown. Ile understood that gate their officers well. Every other military service in the these officers were put on half pay without having served at all. world had an; institution of this nature appended to it, and our He was surerised to find that his Hon.- Friends around him did own military tervice in India possessed it similar advantage. not support his attempts, as if they considered the subject not Tne utility of ft was indeed generally admitted. worth attention. Mr. W.M. SMITH thought the advantages of the system of ' Lord PALMERSTON said, that no Foreign Officers had grest value, but that was no reason why they might not be been put an half-pay without having been in service. bud cheaper. The Resolution was then agreed to. • Mr. 001, 1 1,111.111 N spoke of tare advantattes of Government For the charge on account of the In-Pensioners of superinteldeneit, rind contended that the expences were well Chelsea Hospital, and of the Royal Hospital bestowed in order to secure it. &ma r Kilmanihain - - - - £40.271 Mr. HUME compered the establishment at Sandburst with Mr. 111:1;11.1 naked whether there was any intention of dia. that at WOObvicili and repeated sonic of his former arguments mantling Kilmeintitan Hospital. He would sabmit that the upon thtt untietteitiotry exiamtes in the former. pensioners could be removed to Chelsea; and as every thing Sir 11. ll A11.1)11'4(1 L wan happy to hear the Hon. Member else had been consolidated, he.would ask the Paymaster of the say e word in fevour 4,1' the Etateleitment la Woolwich. Ile Forces whether they could not be paid at Chelsea, and the ex. believed it was for the tine time. Thole was a regular Military pence of the other establishment be thereby saved. 'Establishment at Woolwich, and it was therefore unnecessary to Sir C. LONG said, that ondoubtedly if they extended the appoint a General Officer expressly to superintend the Cadets. building so as 10 accommodate 000 men instead of SOO, as now. . The House then ,divided, when there appeared to be— the two establishments could be consolidated. nut he doubted For the original Resolution - - 07 whether it would enact any h.iving. • • For the Amendment - - - . 22 Mr. HUME maintairisd that the charge would be advan. Majority . —65 tageous, anti haft expected to see it effected before that dine. When, we were re.atimitted to the gallery, We . found— Sir O. Mft URA Y thought that Irish soldiers who had Mr. HUME Commenting on the abuses and sinecures; con. fought and bled in the service ought to have a retreat in their , netted with the garrisons in England anti Scotland. From the own country.--(dear rush of strangers, we did not collect the whole of his observe- After a few words nom Mr. littein, the Resolution WO :ion. Ile would be glad to know why Fort Augustus and Fort eluded. William were kept up, anti why the estimates were higher now FOr the Charge of Out PenAionerti of Chelsea • than ten years ago. , Hospital - - .. . . £1,285,560 Lord PALM EASTON Said that the garr isons were the only Mr. HUSIE said, that this charge had increased in a mo s t meane winch the Crown possessed of rewarding the services of' extraordinary degree. At the commencement of the peace it . old and meritorious officers, and they had been repeatedly re. was 720,000/..—in 11121, it was 950,0091.—in 11122, 090,000/. copized and adproven by Ci nninittees of that House. Fort ha nd , 1,22 , 1,0001.—in 1324, 1-410,0061.—in 1025, 1,240,0001. William entna me Augustus had not been abolished, because this year it was inci eased to 1,235,0001. If they conti. the buildings must necessarily be kept up, and if ; A bolished the r a te d going on at this rate, in ten more years of peace they . payment to the officeett must he continued fur life. The gram- *lmola . have 2 millions of half.pay to provide In pensions to common soldiers. lie wished to know the reason of this in son tie:petit-melons were formerly paid front the grants tit other common The Main question, however, wits whether the muse- Crown should be deprived of the power of rewarding military bord PA LMERS'PON said, all that could te sald was, that services in ileut wity ; and he trustee the House would recollect the country had provided a reward , for men who had gone that the balf-peY and. retired 4 10 teenekit of officers were very through a certain period of service, or been disabled in its de slender, ' fence, and that such upon now claimed the support to which , Mr. if VAIL?, asked if the appointmenta were alw ays giv e n t o they were entitled by law. All they had 'to do was to attend meritorious °Meer*. lie inquired who WWI the Governor o f those who nresented tholes:Nee, and to award what the comm. Hull and what duties were dooe there at an eapenca at' Wm . try had (leaded they ',lnsult! receive. The numbers of these par annum. His Hon. Friend the Member for Hull did not Pensioners had int:re:teed since the peace, and that was tbe know of any Juno to he performed there by a Governor. cause of the increaxe of expence. In Iln2l, the number was Sir A. HOPE said that there were 600 General Officers now 09,000 t in 1022, 01,000 . ; in 1023, 01.000 ; in, 1021, 1.11,000 upon the Retired Lien . The number of appointments at the and eonitt'odd hundreds; in 11125, 01,1100 ; and in this year, disposal of time Crown for their benefit was 44—the same as it 02,734. After a war like that which had passed, for some time was )00 years ago, with the eltCaptl , oll of dma appeintments con. a num b er of casualties must occur, greater than the diminution netted with time Military College. The Governor of Hull was CAUSrd by death, Ile was certain there was no source of enc. General Hilt, V 440 WAS 04)1)011110d for hi* services by the Duke norny from which the House would find so little pleasure, as of Wellington, and not by favour. from that which' grudged time pittance bestowed upon those Lord .1. RUSSELL , said diet the holding of suclt ofnces poor men. ".being considered i point of honour is well as duty, he thought Mr. HUME said there must be something wrong -when this the coutary lout nothing by givingebis reward to distinguished increase took place at a paled so removed trom the expiration service.-_( Hear , hear i)—lie did not .understand the explana« of the war. By a calculation of his, he found that If the whole .:ion respecting the two forte in Scotland, which were recoun. army had been disbanded in a day at the commencement of mended not cu be kept up, by the Finance, Connuittee. the peace, and all the officers in the service placed upon half- Sir H. HA RDINGE ;mid that ono of the forte was Il exes. pay, the, list would not have been greater than it now was. silty to protect the locks of the Caledonien canal, and the Sir C. I , ONti said, that in the year 11122 the out-pensioners . other was raqu i r ed es a berrack. Ile believed also that the re acKibilaitilialn were matte overto the Chelsea Department, and i nstaetees which did not come under the mitten. that ac . ci , ? i i i n it te ll, d w t a l' o r n a ot c a ° l l :l 4 e id to tlabie were some circu accou nt in crea se e Stead, e x p 611 g r c ea it Cl int firm of the Finance Committee, and which rendered a the rento. drily. ,e a ) Qt . Lhelle ta r o, incompatible with some article of le Union, ere e ee in tle number of applicants, and, like the on. Member, . id r, Hilkih; ;;aitl, that unffirtunately these forts were built ha thought there meet be something' wrong. He accordingly long aft'"? the Mien took place. He protested artinst the Sant Sant into db., 'country to nee whether frauds were not England -of 6,9001. being p.tid garrison' , garriss in Gibraltar, if , Canada, epee th em , lie had been satisfied, however, that in England and toe c alm of klood Volpe, A t the Cape of Good Hope there had been none. In Ireland they were making the Sante , this expeuee. egni i t t.,b, b orne ea sily by the colonists, and th e y in q uir y , and they were not et) satisfied'at to its reetdt. With +would readily pity it ;if t hey b a d not a Governor who was de-, respFet to the pensions thernselvtm, lie thought the pension for tested by ail the world, and-hated by every ono to the colony. service had been carried tee tar by the_ nieasure of 1006,,which Si( A. HOPE, rose to eel, that Mr. Wyndham and those who supported it: But he thought the language being a party measure wale carrisd b e y on d what was ~,,,,,,-, used by the flan. Member extremely unbe,coming, He knew I plated by teething of Lord Chstlea Somerset, but he understood hint to I the petitions for wounds lie thought were not at all too great. The system was now altered, and none wero entitled to a pen-1 sion but those who had served twenty years. Still they were bound to keep faith with those soldiers who had enlisted under the condition of being pensioned after fourteen years' service. Accordingly many now who were not more than thirty years of age, demanded a pension as their right, and could not be refused. The law indeed might be cemplatned of; but it left no choice. lie could only say that they had now reached the acme of those expences, wh►ch would henceforward be progres sively decreasing. Sir A. HOPE explained the encrease in the half-pay list to have arisen from the number of Officers, who wsre reduced from full pay accordingly, as they returned home since the close of the war. Eighteen or nineteen hundred Officers were reduced in 1816 ; 1000 in 1810; about 300 in 1819; and nearly 1000 in 1821. . _ Mr. HUME made an objection as -to the reduction. from 806 .2 000/. to 701,0001. in the half-pay which tee could not un derstand. led PALMERSTON said, that in 1821 the expence had been 8311,000/.; in 1822 it had been 870,0001., which was lessen ed to 770,0001., leaving a diminution of 100,0001. The Selection of officers for promotion, be said, was determined by their su periority. All the senior and second senior liiemenants promoted (with a single exception) were or. 17. years standing. Twenty two Captains .were promoted to the rank of -Major who were Of 25 or 26 years standing. Sixteen Majors were promoted of 23 years standing. In no instance were juniors promoted over their seniors, without purchase, unless the seniors were un willing to serve. Sir E. KNATCHBULL observed upon the impropriety of granting pensions to men not more than thirty years of age, and spoke of the necessity which might ultimately arise for the House to exercise a constitutional authority on the sub ject, which, however, we did not press for the present. Sir CHARLES LONG said, that the law left them no choice as to how they should act towards those who claimed pensions on the score of service. • But Mr. Wyndham's Act of 1822, cured the evil for the future, - allowing an claim for less than twent y y ears service. 'nose who had enlisted pre. viously to that Ael could demand :s pension for fourteen years service, commencing not before the eighteenth year of their age ; and two years in the West *lndies counted for three. General GA SCOYNE thought Mr. Wyndham's Bill rather injurious, us many were complaining that ,the liberty of the subject was thereby infringed tmon. Still there would ne cessarily be an increase for ten years to tome—and he would warn the lion. Member for Aberdeen of the fact, because those who had been enlisted for fourteen years would persist in demanding their right ; and the number of persons inva lided in the NVest Indies would_be an additional cause. to load the estimates with the additional charge to which the Hon. Member pointed. • • : Mr. BERNA L expressed his surprise, that, though the financial difficulties of the country-' were admitted in the speech of the Hon. Member for Durham, yet there was no hesitation in calling upon the House to grant the army estimates. In fact, he perceived that no one branch of national expenditure was decreased. The ordnance, the navy and army estimates were put before them to a large amount. Night' after night they were voting away immense sums, though the Chancellor of the Exchequer had not yet informed them from what source the_ funds were to be suppliee.. It was possible that the Cus toms Revenue might fail, and how dreadful the consequence in such an event. The sums voted for the Army rendered an increase of artilhry necessary, and of course a proportionate increase of expence. More was required 1. r the Navy. Now this was all very good ; but how were the means to be ob tained ? To the Chancellor of the Exchequer he gave all credit to purity of principle, but he ought to shew the House where he could lay his hands for a supply, so as to indem nify the country and the House. The Customs revenue was sensibly decreasing, and there might be a material defalcation at the end of the present year. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, various circumstances had occurred dining the Session, which pre cluded him from giving effect to his intention; but on this day se'nnight, he most certainly would state the view his Ma jesty's Government took of the Flounces • and he should be able to shew, notwithstanding all the emarrassments and de falcation arising from the commerce of the country, that the Revenue was adequate to maintain the expences it was pro. posed to Parliament to grant. Mr. HUME expressed regret that there was no hope of re duction in the Estimates. He had expected from the consolida tion of offices., that there was to be a reduced expenditure, in stead of which, they fauna an increase in every item. lie was much .obliged to the Right Honourable Gentleman for his explanation, but it was clear to him that they were going on to increase the Estimates in a way that would lead to the.ruin of the country. The Honourable Member added, that be should be glad to know why it was necessary to keep up 35 companies of Artillery, when ten companies would answer all the purposes. He regretted to say there was a spirit of extravagance in the department of his Al ajesty'a Ministers. He thought 2,000 Ar tillery anti 15,1100 Infantry quite sufficient far a peace establish ment. The whole artillery service in 1792 did not exceed 4,500. The salaties of officers in that year also underwent a reduction. He wished to know whether.the Ordnance Department was of more importance titan the Navy. Why should a Surveyor. General of the Ordnance receive more salary than a Lord ot' the Admiralty ? The salary of the Treasurer of the Ordnance had been increased to 1,500/., which he considered a most extrava gant allowance. The Secretary to the Board of Ordnance last year had 1,1001., and this year the salary was increase to 1,4001. Thus they went on increasing salaries, and no one could tell where they would stop. Ile had long opposed high salaries, but the House had been against him. He persevered in his opposi tion, because he knew that repeated drops of water would per forate the hardest substance, and his hope was, that constant efforts might at last produce the desired effect.. Sir H. HA It DING E said if the Hon. Member had looked to the estimates of 1920, he would have found a reduction this year of 193,000/. With respect to the increase of the salary of the Treasurer of the Ordnance, the office of General Treasurer of the Ordnance in Ireland had been abolished, and a new ar. The Resolution was then put and carried. Fur the AlloWances on the CoMpassiOnate List—those of his Majesty's Royal Bounty—and the Pensions to Officers for IVounds . £190,798 Mr.. HUM B objected, that there was a progressive increase in the amount of this item since the year 18113. Lord PALM ERSTON regretted that an increase of claimants rendered it necessary, but he could assure the House that no claim was allowed without a proper title. The Resolution was then put and carried. For Three :Royal Veteran Battalions, and Two Veteran Companies to be disbanded . £23,883 0 0 - Mr. lIUME inquired whether there existed a power to com pel the service of the Veterans in case of emergency. Lord PA 1451 BRSTON answered in the affirmative. he Question was then put and carried. Mr. GURNEY stated a case of some hardship upon the son of an Officer, who had served fur fifty years. The lion. Member was so inaudible, that it was impossible to collect the details of his statement. Lord PALM ERSTON she Wed that the treatment which the Gentleman in question had experienced implied no imputation whatsoever upon his character. Mr. UlkIE said that Lord Palmerston had Ten Accounts remaining since last year. They were likely to tease the public. In 1809 it was said that three years would be sufficient to settle the entire. He wished to know whether this year would be suf. {idea for the purpose. Lord PA LM ERSTON hoped that it would be sufficient for the great mass of account'. Some extraordinary ones might, per, haps, remain. Mr. HUME complained of the expellee created by the raising wnd disbanding of corps. Veterans did not serve more than three months, when they retired on full pay tier life. Would this be the case, he asked, with . the corps whose expenco had just been stated ? Lord PA I.SIERSTON said that the officers who were raised from half.pny would 'mac upon half.pay. The House then resumed, and the Report was ordered to be r:ceivetl to-ntiorrow (this day). ORDNANCE ESTI3IA TEN. The House went into a Committee on the Ordnance Esti inatee. Sir 11. lIA RDINGE said, that from the consolidation of de partments to this advantage followed, that expender, which be fore were scattered, were now brought within the compass of one estimate, and could be seen at a single view. In this Ord nance Estimate the naval vote was introduced, though it had been the practiee'of the lout hundred years to include it in the Navy Estimates. The alteration was thought proper because the Ordnance Department was chargeable with the expence ; and this transpositional amount of 911,1:0. occasioned an excess in the expenditure of the present over that of the past year, though really lose than any of the preceding thirty years, with the exception of the last. There was no augmentation in the number of Officers ; but in the Colonial service it was indis, pensable that there should be an increase 70 men for each c ompany , I n MI, there hail been a Driver Corps, consisting of 4(10 men, but now gunners and drivers were Incorporated with other corps, and no longer the subject ofa distinct expence. ,The increase of Artillery this year was confined to 350 men ; and these were added not from any anticipation of hostilities.... for the number would be quite inadequate to such a design— but because the artillery were altogether disproportionate in numbers to the other troops, and unable without the Augmenta tion to take care of the materiel of ammunition and other stores. The experiment was tried, but it was found impossible to pro ceed without the proposed addition, else of all other periods the present would be the last in which the increase would be called for. There were 20 companies on Colonial service,, and five were sent annually to relieve them, yet this number was found to be too small, and this year there were elOO which rendered a larger relief the more necessary. it might be raid. Indeed. that if the augmentation could be dispensed with for the last four years, it ought not now to be required. To this objection his answer was, that at the close of the war the corn. .panies.sent out to relieve consisted of experienced men, well seasoned to the climate, and practicully acquainted with mili tary duty. Such troops were fully effective, but now that they had to fill up their ranks with recruits, instead of veterans, t`fe case was very different, and though he named but seventy men tOr each company, eighty would a desirable encrease, and would certainly be necessary next year. During the war the number. of artillerymen were to soldiers of the line as I to 9; but now they were as 1 to 15. At the close of the war four artillery-men out of five were discharge; so that all proportion was lost between the number in both branches of the service. The increase presented a case of absolute avessity, and was not brought before the Heim until the lowest amount had been ascertained. The Cadet Establish. orient at Woolwich was much relieved in consequence of his Royal Highness the Duke of ark having bestowed 46 Commissions fur the benefit of the extraordinary estimates. The expenditure- in , Irelanel amounted to Kinn, as well because of the Irish Survey, as because the amount was paid 8 in British money on the assimilation at' the currency in both countries. Ile was happy to be able to inform the House, that' the Irish Survey was in a state of great progress. Soldiers were employed as sappers and miners so as to diminish the ex. pence of the work very considerably. The survey was unties. taken at the instance of many Irish country. Gentlemen and a map was constructed on a ver y ex tensive scale, allowingallowing4 p • of six Inches to repreeent each aide. The English Barrack Bstinutte was 2firom. ; that for Ireland , 135, 7 06 /. The latter was less than in the preceding years ; the former exceeded by 30,35111., because of 25,000/. expence incurred by coverting the ' Kinte'e Mews into a barrack for 869 men. In the charge for Englund. there was a real diminution of 170,0001.t0 42,0001., and in that for Ireland, the stun ofBo,ooo l . was reduced to 36,0001. AlilitaryCommissitmers had been sent for the purpose of examin. ing the structure of Colonial Barracks and Hospitals. who had decided upon what they deemed useless in the materials ern. played, and the improvements which might be conveniently adopted in order to durability, cconornY , health, and other t improvement& In point of general expenee it was found that considernble *eying might be made, and in some of the build. logs the materials were found to be of a bad description. Goo, aequeutly repairs *mild now be necessary; but when once charge of was necessary, while a made, they would canal testily diminish future expenc.e. 27,0001. appeared for the erection ofa barrack in proper theirs tT)pleler Irt.eoe resolution r ot :d al: t r i douseoving burit ileenttirtev woulduwltia:vfe s o r judgebo that soldiers, ers s w u i t t o a c o c s l t t az; there, 9 la sit salaries as li o u i r t e r i t . %ferment no less than 1001. each. k r e : a4 e Master. General and Officers of Ordnanee Sit' J. YORKE professing himself an economist [ rew i nd. ple, yet regretted that no vote had been introduced into the estimates for the expenses of a clock-yard called Pell.. Another i had been established which was of no use, mid lie could not see any realm' why money should not be granted for one which was of great iintiortance. Sir ii. /I A RDINGE said, that elle Colonial eXpencee were so great, and at the same time so touch required, that he thought it would be asking too much of Parliament if he wore rangement made. The increase of salary to the Treasurer in England was a saving to the country of 3001. a-year. Sir JOSEPH YORK had always opposed the reduction of officers' salaries. When the great Minister, called " the Pilot who weathered the Storm," consented to reduce the salaries of officers in the year 1722, he never made a greater yaw. The Gallant Officer would rather cut away the dead weight, than consent to lose a shilling from the pay of officers In the army or navy. His Majesty's - Ministers ought to stand by their active agents, and pot cut away salaries as they did in 1792. Sir R. FERGUSON said, it was painful to differ from the lion. Member for Aberdeen, but he thought the artillery should be the last corps reduced. It was in his opinion the best arm of the service. Mr. HOBHOUSE was much concerned to find a battalion of Guards was to be stationed at Charing-cross. lie had thought his Majesty's Ministers would have considered it unconstitutional to suffer that which he considered a nuisance and an eye-sore in the very heart of the city of Westminster. He thought the Vetrtivitts of the present day, Sir Charles Long, would not have consented to let the building in the King's Mews become a barrack for soldiers. It was unconstitutional, and an in fringement of the rights of the subject to place troops so near the Palace, the Legislature, and Courts of Law. He did nut mean to say 400 or 500 men would overawe the citizens of Westminster,but as we had barracks atKnightsinidge and Hyde Park, he could not see how Government claimed a right to occupy the King's Mews with battalions of soldiers. Such was the feeling, of his conitituents on the subject, that they . deputed him to wait on his Royal Highness the Commander-m-Chief. He was received with that politeness which his Royal High ness always evinced. He was told it was determined that a military force should be there, and he came away. Would the Noble Lord say there was any necessity for having soldiers there ? Did the l'olice require it ? Was there any thing to require a military force in the middle of the citizens ? had nothing to say against soldiers,' but he could of not o havec n o a n ti s o e n nt ou to ght them stationed in the middle of peaceable citizens, lie thought they ought to be removed. and before the close of the Session l ie intended to move, on the part of his constituents, that those Barracks should not remain in the heart of the metropolis, to overawing, those with whom the Councils Mr. Secretary PEEL said, the objection of the Hon. Mem her was to the appropriation of the building called the Mews. That building, it was said, had been made barracks for soldiers, contrary to the Constitution. It was also said to be bad taste in the admirers of architecture, to appropriate a building, intend e d for lames, to human beings. The Right lion. Secretary could not consider it any abuse of taste ; he could not see how it was unconstitutional to place troops in barracks instead of quarters. In the dine of Charles the First there was a protest against put ting soldiers in quarters. In the same reign an Act of Parini went confirmed that regulation. With respect to the practice of keeping soldiers in barracks, he could assure the Honour able Gentleman, that from 1744 to 76, and up to 1789, troops had bben kept in the Old Savoy Prison. M. the same'time buildings were erecting at Somerset House for the same pur pose. As to the convenience of the troops, it would be seen that they were better offin barracks than in public-housis. It was also extreme hardship to quarter all the soldiers with die publicans. A soldier belonging to the Coldstream Guards was at that very time quartered at Chalk Farm. The man was obliged to go from that spot to be on the parade on the Bird cage-walk. Such was the inconvenience arising from quartering. men in ptiblic-houses. Colonel DAVIES said nothing could be worse than having soldiers quartered in ptiblie.houses. Colonel JOHNSON said, that soldiers were better kept in barracks than In porters ; but his Hon. Friend's objection was to placing troops in the heart of Westminster. 111 L HOB H OUSE, in explanation, said, he did not wish the soldier to be separated froth the citizen. Colonel TOWNSEND considered the discipline and morals of soldiers much reduced when they were quartered in public houses. ° The resoiution was then agreed to. Several other estimates having been voted, the House re. sowed. The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the adjournment took place at ONE O'CLOCK. LIST OF THE MINORITY Who voted for the Reduction of the Expences of the Military College. Althorp; Visct. Leycester, Ralph Bickford, Bernal, 'Ralph Martin, J. Robinson,• Sir G. Blake, Sir P. Alonck, J. B. Sykes, U. Burdett, Sir F. Ord, W. Tomes, J. Davies, Col. Palmer, C. F. Wiuuton, J. flume, Joseph Pares, Thos. • Wyvill, .111. Howard; lion. H. Russell, Lord J: TELLER. Knight; R. • Rice, •T. S. • Smith, S. LIST CO' THE MINORITY Of 21, who voted for, Reducing £5,900, flitiried in the Esti. mutes for the Garrisons at Gibraltar, the Cape of Good /lope, and the Canadas. Bernal, - R. Bright," H. Blake, Sir F. nurdetf, Sir F. Davies, Colonel Evans, Wm. liohhouse, J. C. Knight, R. Leycester, R. Sykes, D. Martin, J. Tomes, J. Marjoribanks, S. Webb, E. Monck, J. B. Wood, T. Newman ' R. W. Wyvill, M. Palmer, C. F. Rickford, W. TELLER. Rumbold, C. E. Hume. .1 • The Earl of SHANNON has given a donation of 201. to the Cork Masonic Asylum, and 201. to the unemployed poor of Clonakilty. The Deputy-Lieutenants of bancashire have voted the Earl of f)t♦tttiv a piece of Plate, to be presented this month, in testimony of 50 years zealous and faithful services as Lord-Lieutenant of that County,---600‘. subscribed by the Gentle men present; each restricted not to contribute more than 201. FRENCH PAPERS. (From the Etoik, dated Sunday.) PARTS, MARCII 4.—We have just received by an extraordinary channel, the following news from Madrid, dated February 27 " The band a Baznii has been surrounded by the Royalist Volunteers from Murcia and Ori huela. The two brothers, Bazan, were taken on the 22d of February, with nineteen of their ad herents. Six others, including Lieut.-Colonel Silez, had been killed. The rest were pursued in every direction. The Revolutionists came from Gibraltar." We have said that a Deputation of the Diet of Hungary, had waited on the Emperor of Austria, to compliment him on Isis birth-day. The fol lowing is the most remarkable passage of the Latin speech which the Archbishop of Kolocz addressed to his Majesty on this occasion, in the name of the Diet : " The honourable mission, which we have re ceived to approach your Majesty, comes very . seasonable to enable us to inform foreigners how intimate and tender is the indissoluble bond which unites the King of Hungary to his faithful king dom. Your Majesty cannot be ignorant in what unworthy colours, the Hungarian nation, which is so faithful to you, has been represented by the calumniators of our name and our constitution•• These enemies of all legitimate rule, of order, of tranquility, and of all power established by God, dare to circulate and to insert, in their Journals, assertions that oar ancient constitution conse crated by so many centuaries, is t rea ted with in famous derision. Our fidelity to your sacred and beloved person is not only called into question, but black thoughts attributed to our nation, froth. which our minds recoil with horror." His Majesty the Emperor replied in the fol lowing speech, which Awns also in Latin :- 46 We receive with joy the congratulations which have been presented to us by a deputation in the name of the Diet of Hungary. • 46 We have heard, with pleasure, of the assur ance of the grief which 'th e faithful Estates o f our Kingdom of Hungary have felt from th e judgment concerning them expressed by ill-inten• tioned persons, and from the rash hopes uttere d at the same time. But, for th e 'consolation of th e Estates, we assure them, that we throw over the efforts of such men the veil of contempt which they deserve. Our Hungarian people kno w their King, and we k now h ow t o a ppreciate as we ought this nation w hi c h o b eys our sceptre. " We place the greatest confidence in the true wishes of the Estates; this confidence induces US, to add a few words, which th e d e putation Will report to its constituents. The p u blic good re quires at all times, but partic u l ar ly in our days , not only that the most perfect un i on a nd red procal co n fide nce s h o uld ex i s t b etween WWI and their P r i nces , b u t a l so th a t t h ey b e ev ince' to all eyes, in the most uneqivocal manner. 44 With a heart full of joy we assembled, la st autumn, the Estates of the Kingdom around our Royal Throne. Every word uttered by us the presentation of the Royal proposition, suhle ciently showed with what confidence this Diet was opened by us. We justly formed a hope , , that the Estates of th e Ki ng d o m would pro fit by this long-desired opportunity ,to dedic ate, under the protection o f our 34 y e ars' their activity and ardent zeal to the objects judged necessary to the real good of the King dom. 44 Have their labours, their deliberations, DO the result of them up to thi s ti m e attained the t ' end of our wishes and our hopes ? We leave; to the Estates themselves to decide : a father has a right to put this question to his children. Corfu " We hope that these words, proceed?, experience, from the bottom of our heart, will. a ttain/ the place . where they ought to have their: full force, the object which our benevolent intentions proposed. We have spoken tha t , because we Irish to have no reproach to tnel‘ ti e and T o n f ir o s u r r e r F te a r n n . a e l o a . Ld ri ll h o e y n a c l e either to ourself or our kingdom. At the "T o Arne we assure the deputation of Our geed ° / of Feb. 9th continue to be favourable to the Greeks. Ibrahim Paella was,on the 3d at pietrotava Some days before he must have seen with his owl' eyes,a cut-down Turkish frigate burnt by Alia ° accounts from in the Roads of Patras. The communicatiellf were entirely frevit Missoionehi ; and mo st Of the letters from Greece a ffi rmed that Coloctroat had completely driven the Egyptians from the is' terior of.the Morea. It is also asserted, that : I ,: e formation has beets received from Alexandr i t t ' t ,/; the Viceroy would not send another exneu Lt,o, to the Morea, and that he had rejected the d,. wands of the Porte on this subject. of par. ZANTE, JAN. 31.—The famous cave nassus, to which Odysseus retired, is at Pr e ' - o - a guarded by six armed Greeks. The wi fe 11 4. mother of that warrior are now shut up 1, This cave is about a mile distant from the aurle 4 7 , Delphi, so celebr a ted in Pagan history,_ as 1 : abode of the Pythoness, a nd the source of p r%u, phetic oracles. It is situated on the summit ! „ a mountain, and is almost inac cessible, as it ca ll only be approached by means of a wooden ladder, which may be drawn up. It is severa l hundred feet deep, and there are various r.ech sec formed on both sides. The water, which continually and in great quantities filtered continually several parts of the upper eaulttlosent : snore titan sufficient. for all the necessaries Fttetior Furms.—P.mis, Ancir per 981. &sc.—Three per Cents. fiir. 50c.—Bank Stock. =teak Naples, 7IC Bk.—Royal Spanish Loan, change on London, one month, 25f. 50c.; three ditto, ..4r• (Court Authentique.) - A 5 , Extract of a letter, dated Berlin. Feb rtiPr e f - 5 1 1826 :—A society has been formed b e . r t j with the support of Government, with a Ca m Pl es of 4,000,000 dollars, to assist the needy far - der at the approaching clip with advances, in or, ir that they may not be compelled to sacrifice t ile s ' wools at the present ruinous prices, which Ob ar e e r r . plan is expected will be followed by othe r ' man Governments,