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in a diitina estimate, as not properly beloneng to the estimates of the Navy. Mr. TIERNEY observed, that the boasted saving was in word and 'not in deed. The public would still tvve the money to pay. The proposed altera-- tion, iii his opinion, would only puzzle the. ac counts, and he was therefore against the change ' as he thought it better to let the busi,ness go on in the old coarse.- ' • After a conversation across the table, bet Wen !Ir. Cakraft, Mr. Davies Giddy, the 'Chancellor of the Exchequer, Admiral Markham, and Mr. Ward, the ,follovvirif; sopvties were voted : A For. Wages • ' , 99t,75 0 For ,Viaualling - - 3,997, 82 5 For Wear and Tear - - 3,295,70* For Ordnance . - 591,000 Total tb,877,2.75 The Report was ordered to he received to-morrow. REVERSION BILL. On the motion of Mr. BANKES, the A& of the last Session for suspending the granting of Reversions having been read, Mr. BANKES began by observing, that when he gave notice of his intention to move for- leave to bring in a' Bill to render the A& perpetualy he had very little expe&ation that he should be compel led to trouble the House at any length on the sub let*, or that his motion would meet with that op position which he had since learned would be made to it. With equal surprize and concern, he bad heard of his Right Hon. Friend's intention to:pro pose the substitution of t Bill similar to that of the fast Session. What his Right Hon. Friend's rea- sons were for (big' proceeding he could best ex plain himself 3 but however' they -might operate on his- mind, he trusted that they would not in duce the House to depart from ' that consistent line of conduct which they. had pursued on this subjed on two former occasions. That his Right Hon. Friend's objedions to the measure which he was about to prOpose, were not founded on, any rational principle, could be clearly demonstrated by a retrospeaiVe view of the history of the bill, and of the various matters connetied with it ; and to this view he intreated the particular at tention of the House. In the first, which indeed was also the last, Session of the last short Parlia ment, a - Committee for investigating the state of public expenditure wes instituted. In the discharge of his duty, as Chairman of that Committee, he (Mr. Bankes) presented to the House a Resolution "That in future no office or place ought to be granted. in reversion." The house adopted a bill proposed by him on that resolution ; and when that bill w:ts pre sented, not one word was said in opposition to it.— This bill went successively through those stages in which measures of such a nature were. always -dis cussed—the second reading; and the committal ; but its further progress was' arrested by the dissolution of Perhamene In the speech made from the Terone on that occasion, his Majesty wasigractiously pleased to express hi, ssatisfaetion at the proceedings of the House of Cornsions, with reaped to the reformation of the public exptinditure, the only overta..t of which . was the bill that had beet, founded on the resolution of the Committee of Finance. On the assembling of the present Parliament his Majesty reiterated the expression of his opinion of the expediency of Taro seeming a Farliamenerry inquiry to re.er e lite of toe Public Expenditure, and repeated his approbation of the conduct of the former Parliament. Again he (Mr. Rapkes) presented ehe'same Bill ; it received the same unanimous support, and in a short time it passed the 'House ofCorninons, - and aids carried to the other Houle. Very unexpectedly towards th e close of the Session, the Bill was thrown out of the House of Lords. Constant to their purpose, detei, mined not to abandon a measure ,which they con ceived pregnant with advantages to th e Constitution and the Country, and yet precluded by the late pe riod of. the SeSsion from originating any Bill of a si milar nature, the House of Commons thought . •fit to Address his Majesty, that he would be graciously , pleased not to allow the granting of any place in re version during the prorogation of Parliament. In the next Session he (Mr.Bankes) presented the selfsame Bill, - notto,suepend but to ab o li s h Ih e - grant i ng o f places in reversion. That: Bill passed without any - material opposition. Unfortunately - , however, it again failed in the House of Lords. Afier institu ting a proceeding, by no means a common one,that of secreting the Journals of the Lords;- the House of Commons thought it ,advisable, as a tempo rary, expedient, to pass a bill by which the grant . ing of daces in reversion was suspended until six weeks after the commencement of- the present Session. To this bill he had lent himself, not beeanse he deism - ea in the slightest degree from the principle -of complete .abolition, but beceose he was willing that this Huuse should proceed tem perately and with moderation, and in a manner 'cal -eulated to be the least offensise to the other estate. Such was the history of the billto the pis sent pe riod. It-now appeared to him that it became the House so do that in the most effe(au.rl rnantirewhich their condud on two former occasions evince.] it was always their intention- to do. -As the bill Which Ire meant to propose could not be objeded to on -the principle, he. imagined it would be opposed on elm ground of inexpediency. la might be conjeCtured that there still existed a wish in .another quarter to thwart a measure which the House of Commons d. erred of such magnitude and importance. Bin why this eon ' jedure? Why Might not the House rather belieVe that weiiue consideration haddoue away the stiang e , and he would sav, absurd view of the subject that had been entertained in that quarter ? But even were it not so, it was the ,duty of the, House of Commons -at all times, and at, no time More particular than the„pree 'sent, to retain the good opinion of their constituents. , The eyes of all the.cOuntry were upon them, both of those, who wished to . preserve the Constitution and of those who wished to innovate upbn it. No thing coUld . give more satisfaetiOn to the foriner Class, and nothing more effectually defeat the objea of the latter class,, than that the House should maintain ' their consistency, and perseVere in the course Which they had so properly - undertaken. There were three Pnticipal points of the, subje& which.deserVed to be separately considered. The first was with resped the public economy which it would occasion, an ob ieet interesting at all times, but particularly at a per. nod when the taxes were so oppressive. The House would do him the justice to iemember, that tie bad never held out the Vain hope tirde any sensible elle viation of the burdens of the people could be ef1441. ed by this.meaSure. He knew that thos4 burdens were great, and he knew that in.the prosecutioe of them -r elent . necessary ti4r, it was t isebable that the. efforts which it beeame'tis to mike stopld 'increase them much more than they could possibly be dirni;- nistied ty the. mostrigidietrenchment of thejsaStre proposed. Buts although the meastre,rnight riot be great in effect, it- would be great in principle ; al- though- it might • not, materially lighten , thebortivens.l . of the people; thoseburthens would be more cheer- . . . tul;y borne wh e n th e country saw that it was the determination of Parliament not to allow them to be untrecesSarily,augssiented. The second point to be considered was the teodeecy which 'the prevention of granting offices in reversion possessed to the well-filling of 'public offiCes. When an office was conferred on any individual by whom it was to be immediately enjoyed, a dtiuble responsibility en sued, the responstbility of the Minister by whom the grant was made, an d the responsibility of Ihe person to whom the grant was made. But this mu tual responsibility was — wholly- removed, when an office was granted in reversion to a person out of sight, revealing whom little inquiry was the 'time made, and who therelthe might be little qualified to fhltit she duties efitrusled to him. There was another ' .evil attendant on the granting of places in reversion. It led people to cbtisidzi suet) places not so much public trusts, as situalions of &bolt:neut. Every office ought to bring with it its duties to discharge, and should be considered as held for' the benefit of the public Service, as well as for the ajyantage of the individual. How difficult was if rendered to abolish those offices, the right to a succeision to which was . vested in others, scrupulous as Pal liatnent had ever 'been in trenching upon such ves'ed rights. Were it not for such rights litany of the places Insteioned in :the Report of `tile Committee (el the Public Expendi ture aright be instantly abolished. For- instance, a very important b ranc h of the public service, namel;:., ; the whole supply of medicines to the misty and navy teas vested in a person who received that grant in re version. The report of. the Committee stated, that, it would be 'expedient,' ern at a conSiderable ex pence; to buy up this right. He did net 'mention this circumstance With any unpleasant reference to the individual alluded to, to whom .he was Uri . known, and Whis had . a just Tight to _ the situation, but to shew the ieeonvenient.e.of the pradice: The granting of - reversions-alsn tended to the increase of sinecure offices. Places of reversion were fie quently granted to persons, who, when they came into posseSsion of them, were unfit for the discharge _- of their duties, By this practice of vesting them, manyi of. these otlices which were efficient at first were converted into,-sinecures. Those, therefore, who wish to abolish , . sinecures, must condemn a practice which tended to convert efficient offices iota sinecures. The third principal point to be censidered .was, the bearing of the measure on the prerogative of the Crown: The present practice appeared to him to tendgradually to destroy the prerogative of theCrOwn. Under such a Constitution as the British, the disposal of al; places of trust and prOfit could with propriety be vested in the C rown a l one. - B ut w hi le the Crown enjoyed the advantages of this prerogative, it ought not to be relea:ed from the corresponding duty of selecting for such places those individuals who were calculated to fill them with the,greatest advantage to the Public. He c etcluded by' moving for leave to log in a Bill to r e nder the Act of last Session per petual. • , Mr. HENR Y ' T HORNTON secon d e d' the motion, which, in his opinion, it became the Howie, as the guardans of the public purse, and of the interests of the people, to adopt. Much as he resi.eded the upper Hotise of Parliament, this appeared to be the peculiar province of the Commons. It was their duty to affirm or re-affirm -the principle which they had before asserted, and he had no doubt of their ultimate success. Unless the principle were thus re-asserted, the impression would n o t b e ccuseyed of the de liberate conviction of the House of Commons of its purity and soundness. I The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that this subje:a had been so frequently beibre the House, that it would not be necessary for him' to say . murk upon a subjekt of so little novelty. His two Hon. Friends, who had proposed the subject bad dane it • ample justice, for they had laid before the House all the arguments which had ever been used in sup ! port of this measure. They had called - upon him ,• 1 , to assign his reasons for changing his senti -ments respeding this Bill, but he bagged. leave • to assure them and the House, that there was no one sentiment that he had ever professed -upon this question which was in any degree I altered. Whenever he had spoken upon it he had constantly stated, that' he could not, concur with those that were it-jenny to the Bill, in the opinion they, en:ertained of the advantages chat were likely to result from it, in an economical point of view, to the pub is ;. nor did he ag re e with those' who < con sidered this Bill a s .b e i ng an i nvas i on o f the preroga lives of the Crown. The charaater of this measure had always appeared to lien to be greatly exagge-• - rate,d,and he had seen nothing whatever to induce 11161 to change that opinion. It appeared to him, hoW ever, :unfor! unate, that unfounded represe'ntationS had been made both within doors arid'xitliont, with regard toahe econornical,advantages that were likely to result from this Bill, mid it had, at the same time, been insieuated, that those wh o opposed it, w ere disposed to increase the laurthens of the people; but he was at the same time willing to admit, that the . grant of Offices in Reversion did put it farther out of the reach of that House, if they wanted to reform or ab s ;lish them, than When they were granted in pon s •ssion, and this apeearedto him to be the only seri on; objeetion to grants of this' description.. The it ; tention of that Honse d . been called, by th e means' 1. of the Finance Committee, to a certain number of . 'Offices, which itmight or might not be wise to abo lish or reform, and certainly un t i l Pa r lia ment had come to some determination with resped to them, it migtit be proper diat eakpower of granting Offices in'lleversion.should bestispended. Th e H ouse h a d also the ResOlntion- proposed .by the Hon. Gentle ' man opposite .to him, as conneded with that re-; port, for the purpose of bdnging the subject Under theirtiiiisideration ; and if it should be the'Pleasure of the House to agree to those Resolutions, it would be his duty to bring in Dills for the purpose of car tying them into execution. If, therefore, the House would keep.the'Power Of granting Offices' in they leadcomea d • suspence until to _erasion with re gard to the abolition or reform of the places alluded to, they would keep as much within their reach as if they took awly the pewter of irattring Reversions altogether., which certainly could not accelerate the period when they-:.could either reform Otabblish these Offices. , Nith regard to the prerogative of the Crown, he had only one obsenatiOn to make : he had already stated, that -he did not think.that this Bill would in substance affect it, but -it appeared to him that if they could acconiplisluhe obiedt they. had-in view, without making eveman unimportant change with regard to , the prerogative, it would be much wiser to do - so, and that waSbne reason why. he preferred the plan of suspending the power - Of granting Reversions to ALIA of taking it away alto gether. When the House had entered into am exa mination with regard to all the Offices reported. ia . y the Committee of Fin ance , i t wou ld then Have an opportunity of exercising its judgment with resped to the reform or abolition, and to toe Sider whether it would be wise or aavantageous to take - away the power of granting Reversions altogether. This tier- tainly was a subject that required some consideration, because there right exist cases-in Which the :public may sustain coosidtrable inconvenience from the c'r curnstatice of an Office not being granted in Rever sion.. He alluded to a case to which the public at ' tention had recently been drawn in a very melan choly way, - and begged Gentlemen to consider what might be the conseqcence of a vacancy in such an Office happening two or three days before the issue of any sum of money for an import ant publie sp - vice; suet], for 'instance, as paying the dividends. 'The cteisequeoce must be, that the issue of the money must be deferred till the OffiCe was filled*. In fad, the inconvenience r e sulting -from such "a -case might be so great, that he thought it would be-ne cessary to. bring in a Bill- to make some provision upon the subject. "He wished again to repeat, that in an economical point of view, he did not think thiS Bid would be productive of the least advantage to the publice" because 'when they had once' deter mined what Offices they would reform or abolish, certainly the power of granting Pisces in Reversion or in Possession could make no difference whatever to the public, as far as - economy was concerned.— He should not occupy any more of the time of the House upon this subject; not 'considering the Bill as very important either one way or the 'other, as other Gentlemen did, he - had adopted that Middle course which appeared to him the best calculated to promote the public convenience. Thosew ho d id think this an important measure, were certainly right in persevering in it ; but he was convinced that they would be disappointed in their expectations. The proposition, therefore, that he had to submit to the, House was, that instead of bringing in a Bill to render the suspension permanent, the title of it should be, " A. Bill to continue, for a time to be limited, the. Act of laAt Sessiows ;" at the same titne, if he found the sense of the House strong the 'other way, he should not persist in his Amend ment. _ Mr, PONSONBY remarked, that the Aight Hon. G3ntleman had taken care to confine his observs ti.ms to that point which was the least important in the present subject, namely, the consideration of public econ)my, and kid , with great prudence passed by all tho s e topics of "more material in terest, which might be found in the undue Mi nisturial influence, which the measure now pro posed tended to curtail. It was eviderit,that by the nraetice of sranting reversions, the legitimate in fluence of the Crown was diminished, and the Mini ster of . the day was. compelled to loOk out tor other and for undue means to support his own in dividual power. The question -being put on the Amendment, It was negatived without a division. Ile original, motion was then carried without and Mr..I3A24KES, Mr. D. GIDDY and several other Members, were appointed to bring is COMMITTEE OF FINANCE. • Mr. 13stikrs,'irl - rising to propose the revival of the . Committee far investigating the state of do public expenditure, telt that tO . that*treral proposi" tion there could be no possible ohjetion, unanitnoug as the House had always. been in their opinion 0 0 that subjeBt. It remained hoWever w be considered, and the , consideration was :an impart-alit One, wfla was to be delegated for the •purpose, He was eon" yinced that the efficieney Or inefficiency of the Cony. mittee must depend on the Me4nbers seletted, to compose it. In the tatting Committee,thenuinhea: bad been too great: It had been found by expert', once, thatiii a large body,, possessed of the lower of unlimited di , eussiotti business could cot be-sais' fa6torily_expedited. 1.1 appeared adtis.i.ble _that the Cotornittee, should not consist of than 0 Members, .or thereabouts. He had Lawn up a li . of names which he intended to propose, and 0 1 ' which the House would judge fur thermelves. this he was sure, that if the, House though proper to appoint the individuals inentiOned in that Ci)mmittee would consist. of men possessed of grejt ability and sincee inclination to serve tlitt and also, he.trusted:of sufficient leisure, to devor. o to the cofisidtAation of the subjed enttwited to then' the time which such an important investigation quired. "He was anxious to avoid speaking invidionsii J2fany. of the Members of the last Committee ;. ha' it must beevident to the House, that a Conn-Tillie , constituted (.4.—ntvn -dithering Materially upon 11 .1 1, points to which their attenton w,is dace - led, aflu some of them in complete hooility to the object for which.the Committee was appointed, could na D 5 expeaed soon to blitz their labours to a successful issue. His first motion would be; That a Sehrel Committee be appublted to investigate - o' e . state of time Public ExpenctiTure." • - ,This motion,was unanimously agreed to. Mr. BAN KES then proposed the* following; -names, the first eight being Members of the vii Committee : Mr. H. Thornton, Mr. T.. Baring, Mr. Biddulph, - Mr. Curiven, Mr. Sturges Bourne. Mr. .Milnes, Mr. Btogden, Mr. C. Ellis, .Mr.. N. Calvert, Mr. I'cel. Mr. Cavendish, M r. 1). Giddy;. and Mr. Alderman Combe, Mr. Bath urst. . . , Binlces's name was necessarily included as' the 1119YF I theTroposition.j . _ . The' CR kNCE-LLOR of the ExcifEQUER de.)i4 the cogen c y - of the "argument of hip Ho:t. Fri.ndo with respea to the, propriety of constituting a Coro' mittee of persons Who entirely concurred. in ci)i' mon: the contrary it appeared, to' him more eligible to combine individuals of , 'different senti - : ments, .in order that argument might be opposed t° argument, and mind to, mind, and the _public vice henetited.by that elucidation of the public iu terest which the collision wouA produce,, resped to.tha last Committee, he had never hears any objeCtion to its ConStitution, except t0w:30 5 the (-Joie of the Session, when theflon. of that C o m m i t t ee expressed his opinion that the Ounibiffs were two great. litilhOi'ild — P - rcii , ose, 1 '; the r9o:n o f th e Marquis o f Lansdowtle, to i, get; the name of th e I - l On. Mr. 'Ward; 4nd.he s! . (-) 1.11 ' also propose ta,..add the :six following Gent: o " mcn, two of I.vhoin were in the Ist of leis Boo' ' Mr. D. GIDDY declared that he heartily tied sin!. Mr. PeeL , Mr. C mince s , cerely supported the oriinal motion, in the adoption Mr. D. ts hide, m e c. Wynne, of which there did note ppear to him the possibility *Mr. Piotison, Mr. t. Holvorth. of any danger; but on the contrary, it was, in .. se , , aver. H. r ikteaNTON spoke 'of the condod of ail his opinion fraught with the most desirable couse- quences to the publi c . , last Committee,. Some o f the Getelemen did , not punt attend, and . ..a difference e etiioa Sir S. RoMILLY also supported, the ?riginal mo- , existed which indurced other Gentlemen to e el . tle lion. The aboli , ion `Was preferable to the suspen- , draw. He was, 'therefore, i n favonr i ei a •ceo r e sion, for the etled'ef the latter would be t o accuatm tete the offices i n re v e rs i on , whichwduld be 'at the ; Committee. ._ , .. eould h° disp - osai of the Min ister when that suspensi on t en 1 SrSir J. N EWPO R T th oug h t little benefit ni- : nated. All offices were of t wo ki n d s; e i t h er the expected by th e ' P u bli c f rom the Committee nanie el had duties attached 't o th e y ; by the Right H on . G en t leman opposite. if Gentle' m, ier they were sinecures. i men were appointed Members of th at C or 'ninitte,q. Toappoint -to an o ffi c e o f t h e fi rst cescrion a: I who' were hostil e t o the purpose for' w hi c h it • person who was t o fill at a f uture period, was to i was formed, : wha t cou ld f oe expected ? He could O r appoint a person who, a t th e -p er i o d o f hi s appoiht- entirely approve of the list proposed byehe Mernber t ment, might be very fit fore' the office, but by the :: on the floor, - as no Gentlemen were liartit;d ih it time . who Were Members for Ireland or Scotland. There' time_When he entered upon it, mignt become very unfit for the office. At the time when such a per-' were no i parts of the' United Kingdom charmer -where, son was appointed, - his fa c ili t ie s might be unim- . greater abu ses h a d e x i sted. Ha therefore ' hope d paired and' his charer unimpeached ; but Wh en - that some Me m b ers wou ld b e added who wer e the period arrived for his entering' upon the duties from those part s o f t h e U n it e d Kingdom. This ‘. crii ' Of his office, the' on e might be' clouded and the res -he was a nx i ous to make • on t he other lost. On this gr oun d 'it h a d b een d ec id ed - in the impression his.opinion, be exp e 6t e d e f rom a C onnuittee_coa' '' it had been deter m in e d, t h at House; he w a s als o anx i ous to protest against the ,principle laid do wn b y t h e Right Hon. Gentlemll'' both Courts of Law, that a judici a l o ffi ce cou l d - not b e granted in reversion. • In the reign. of queen Eliza of the propriety o f f orm i ng the . Committeedf Get' ' had Auchtorship tlemea differing i n p o li t i cs. Li ttle good could, i ts of the Court of W a rd s (a situation approaching in'a • . . . to a judicial charmer) cou ld not be granted reversion. In fad, th e impropriety of granting, posed of such hostil e mater i a l s. in reversion, offi c e s w hi c h require the Mr. BAT HUUST; un l ess some reasons were ivy performance sigued could not v o te fo r " t he 'exclusion of ' any nevi of' duties, was self-e v id en t. W ou ld h e b e consi- of the old Committee. He saw n , ,impropriety li i doted a man of sound un d ers t an di ng who should foi ming a Committee consisti ng of Geutlernen «'l'°appoint any person t o "b e c ome ' the steward of hi s : differed in politics, provided a-proper batance e": suc.lindividualestate, 'on the death of hi s p resent stewar d . If isted. H e cou ld not agree that the ' Members of: ' h a step, with resp e ct t o th e servant of a.; private:i should . be se l e f? te d a ll limn one side Or - f rom the would be c o n s id ere d as a b sur d , h e could other. He bad formerly voted against the. al:1(116'0 ~ of. - certain" M em b ers to a Committee, b atee l s e V not perceive why a similar i m p utat io n s h ou ld n o t at- ' tach to similar conduct w ith respect to ' the servants thought that if th e p r i tic i e l e on which it whs / - 1-6' posed to add those. Members wer e a ct e d up o n, I II" of the Public. .Equally di sa d van t ageous ,was i t that 1 Members of Committees might he 'gred u ally poi, ' discussion. The only gr o u n d of d e f ence , h owever, ea. sinecures should be gra n t e d i n revers i on. The pro- ! priety of sinecures' at all was not then th e su bj e d or i i merited from 15 or 21, to 40 or 50. ' I Mr. BA N KE9 h a d no i dea that it would he thought " upon which they could be jus t ifi e d Was , t h at they ! from the list - he had sebniitted, to the Houie, thaelle• were' granted for past imp or t ant serviCes. -When : wished-all to, go o ne 'way:. Ile - sh ou ld be very serf! they were graetei i n re v ers i on , t h e - P u bli c - lost ', much, *and the : individ u al o b ta i n i ng t h em ga i ne d if any Gentl eman t h ou gh t so i ll of him: A.nfor e . i. impartial list h e t h oug h t cou ld not be formed. ' H e : little. He was surprised and con c er n e d to h ear the had - taken Mena ft - Om — different part s "Of 'the House' Right Hon. Gentleman opposit e -t a lk w i t h suc h i' n- : and throwre in as many is : -he,.could of tho s e' Geo' the utmost impOrtan ditterence-of a subjed, whi c h to hi m appeared of k ; tleMen NU', be ;beli e v e d aid f rom their own oei et ; and tr..) . show that it had he. had re aso n Id beli e Mons, Geotleineti wbeen believ e . been so considered by gr ea t authorities,• l i e rea d a and lie passage from a treat would-de-th e ir d u ty. N one o f them - it -weld 1),, written by Lord Chi e f Justice ' 'supposed 'w ere 'finder his contr ou l., asacre itile, expressly t o guar d aga i nst the i nnovations 01; • the House That he had not consulted Otie of them 0 the law, in wnich that Learned Lord not only 're- the subjed. . commended abolition of the power of granting re- , i• e Mr. RUA-RR 'vrtAs Of opinion, that whether al versions in future,' but advised that those theta ex- es seernmittee lied Coileisted'of 15, 20, 25„ 'or whit riot , fisting Should be immediately taken off, and pen-' ; it had not done its duty; as one_ of the purposes for sions given to their possessors in their stead. With i• whictrit had tern appointed, the abolishing of stie'' r - esped to the sentiments of the other House of Par- eu.t. plattis on the d e ath of thep - present iaoisessorb liment on this or ally o the r subjed, v it was for ehe hadelever been answered. Having omitted to ;.10110 1 / . lice.s2 of Commons to- do th e i r duty itidependeetly. of any other censideratioa. ; they ha I not djue their -duly, •had - not fulfilled the,. - 'l'e x a eeetationa of the people. He hoped, howeadc, • The i tri the 1 The ait affiel Ong touk For Altai Stra► st and t 911 ( ... 1 ,,, Alr. c The . The tAls zil (14 eri quisiG tha e te rtai barks if the Posi Olt Sti rei Fete Ar n) 'asl !() as 'co ve tack ti ol , ettl t at) Reel. a rlsl ing Aare