The Sun. — London, England, 1864-07-08 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAN [ENT HOUSE OF LORDS--Last Everting, The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat upon the woolsack at the usual hour. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The Wellington and Drayton Railway, the Dublin, Rathmines, Rathagur, &c., Railways, the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board, and the London, Chatham, and Dover Railway (No. 1) Bills were read a third time and passed. BOMBARDMENT OF COPENHAGEN IN 1807. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition, as was under stood, from a respectable medical practitioner, Dr. Burne, praying for compensation for different injuries inflicted on his property by the bombardment of Copenhagen in 1807. He quoted precedent for the course he proposed. MANCHESTER, SHEFFIELD, AND LINCOLN- SHIRE RAILWAY(STEAMBOATS) BILL. The Duke of RICHMOND moved that the suspended order of the 21st April last be dispensed with in regard to the said bill, and that the bill be allowed to be read a second time. The noble duke cited some precedents in support of his motion. Lord REDESDALE said that the course proposed to it would render the sessional order a nullity, and there were already twenty-six bills for the consideration of the committee, which it would be impossible to get through at that advanced stage of the session of Par liament. The result of the course proposed would lead to considerable inconvenience, and ought not to be sanctioned by their lordships. After some discus3ion the motion was agreed to. The Life Annuities and Lite Assurance Bill was read second time. CIVIL BILL COURTS (IRELAND) BILL. The house went into committee on this bill. The LORD CHANCELLOR explained the leading pro visions of the measure, which he contended was calculated to improve legal procedure in Ireland. The bill then passed through committee. The Factory Acts Extension Bill was read a second time, , THE RAILWAYS CONSTRUCTION FACILITIES BILL. Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY moved the second rea di n g of this bill, which had come up from the other house. The Duke of BUCKINGHAM objected that it trans ferred to the Board of Trade powers at present possessed by l'Arliament. Ho would movo that it be read a third time that day three months, After a short conversation the amendment was with drawn, and the bill was ra,d a second time, it being under stood that it should be referred to a select committee. Tha Railwa.. Comdanies Powers Bill was read a second time. The Summary Procedure (Scotland) Bill was read a third time, and passed, The Commons' amendments to the Settled Estates Act Amendment Bill were considered, and agreed to. The Salmon Fisheries (Scotland) Acts Amendment Bill pasnd through committee. The Clerks of the Peace Removal Bill and the Greek Loan bill were read a third time, and passed. The Pilotage Order Confirmation Bill was read a third time, and passed. The Lunacy (Scotland) Bill and the Burials Registra tion Bill were read a second time. Their leirdships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS.--Last Evening. The SPEAKER took the chair at a quarter before four o'clock. THE WAR IN NEW ZEALAND. Sir F. SMITH said to-morrow he mould ask the 'Under Secretary for War whether he would have any objection to lay on the table a return of the number of officers and men who had lost their lives in New Zealand. POSTAGE TO AUSiRALIA. Lord A. CHURCHILL asked the Secretary to the Trea sury if he would have any objection to lay upon the table of the house a copy of the Duke of Argyll's letter to the Treasury, dated the 23d day of September, 1856, with re ference to the compulsory pre-payment of letters to Aus tralia ? Mr. F. PEEL said there would be no objection to lay a copy of the document on the table. TURNPIKE GATES. Mr S. WESTERN asked the Secretary Of State for the Home Department whether it was his intention to introduce a measure founded upon the recommendations contained in the report of the select committee appointed to inquire into the expediency and practicability of abolishing turnpike gates; and, if not, whether he would consent to leave ou: - . of the Continuance Act those trusts that are free from debt ? Mr BARING said that it Was not the intention of the Government to bring in any bill during the present session. POLICE PAY. Sir W. MILES asked the Secretary to the Treasury whether he had as yet submitted a case to the law officers of the crown as to the legality of the deductions made from the one.fourth paid by the Treasury to wards tte ply and clothbio of the enonty Ara l borough police, as regards the two items, via., the payments made by the said county and borough police towards the Superannuation Fund, and fines imposed upon the sail county and borough police or misconduct; and it so, at what decision the 'law officers of the Crown had arrived. Mr F. PEEL :aid a caKs was submitted to the law THE HORTICULTURAL SOLIETY. officers. Sir W. GALLWEY asked the First Commissioner of 'Works whether certain arcades and galleries, until lately in the possession of the Kensington Royal Horticultural Society, were about to become property of the State? Mr W. CO WPER said a deed of conveyance was being executed, but was not yet finished. The property never belonged to the Royal Hortictutural Society. They were the property of the Commissioners of the Exhibition of 1862. .NEW ZEALAND. In reply to as lloN. MEMBER, Mr. CARDWELL said they had no further intelligence from New Zealand. All they had was the telegram. The mail had not yet arrived. THE - VOTE OF CENSURE—THE ADJOURNED DEBATE. On the order of the day for the resumption of the ad journed debate being read, Mr LAYARD said he never rose under a more painful sense of the reaponsioility that devolved upon him than he did that evening, because it would become hie duty to justify the acts of one of the departments of the Government, with which he, perhaps unworthily, was connected. He should have, in the course of his remarks to vindicate the character of a statesman who had token his place in history, and one the object of whose deeds has beekto add a lustre to the annals of his country. Against that noble lord in the course of this debate garbled extracts—he would not say falsified ex tracts—had been brought.' (Cries of Oh, oh.") lie hoped hon. gentlemen would wait until he had failed to prove his assertion, because there would be plenty of time then to cry "oh, eh." The right honourable gentleman the member for Buck inghamshire, in the course of his observations in bring ing forward the motion, had referred to early portions of the negotiations, but in acquitting himself of his task, it would be his duty to fill up the intervals the right hon. gentleman had passed over. The hon. gentleman then proceeded to narrate the whole of the negotiations on the Danish question, beginning as early as those of 1848, which eventually led to the treaty of 1852, which he stated was not one of guarantee, but was one in the interests of peace. lie could not assent to the principle laid down the other evening by the hon. member for Rochdale, because he felt that his principles, if carried out, would lead to the dis memberment of Switzerland. In considering the quee time with a view of arriving at a right conclusion, it would be necessary to discover who were the principal actors in transactions in which the Duke of Atignatenburg wail concerned. Who, he would ask, advised the Duke o f Augustenburg to accept the compro mise at that time offered him ? Who, he would ask, advised him to resign his right, and whose nam e ap peared so frequently in the Dano-German papers ? Why, M. v on Bi sma rk. (Cheers from the Opposition side.) Who, in addition to this, did all he could to forward the same object—why M. de Beast ; and yet these two persons were now d oing their utmost to set aside the established succession in Schleswig-Holstein. When Lord Russell Caine into office he found the Schleswig-Holstein matter already in a very complicated st ate, and o n search ing the r ecords of the Foreign-office seven folio volumes of despatches w ere f o und, and the language of Earl Russell, which Was n ow so much found fault with by the other side of the ham, was almost identically the same as already existed in these deepm e h e 8. In those despatches —(cries of order, order) Lord R. CECIL rose to order. Re did nqt think it was competent for the hen. member to read from despatches whi , ,h were nor before Parliament. The SPEAKER ruled that the despatches could not be read. Mr LAYARD then continued, and said that although he could not read an extract from those despatches 7, felt he could refer to them, and he therefore said that,ixty et " e seve n volumes nearly all the terms used by Earl Russell were to be found. The hon. ;rent eroln then went cn to d o k nd the course adopted by Earl Russell, and contended that in a ll the steps he had taken in o r d er t o b r ng the hostile powers to amity and peace they had been taken in concurrence with France, and he utterly denied that the despatch, which had been so much commented on as having been written at Gotha by Earl Russell under Ger man influence was consistent with the facts. Such he assured the house was not the case, as the despatches were written in L. ndon before he went to Gotha. The proposals in that despatch were accepted by France and Prussia, but refused by Denmark, and had they been ac cepted, they would have tended to a proper settlement of the Schleswig-Holst e i n difficulty. The hon. gentleman then read quotations from the speech of Lord Palmerston in order to show that France and Russia were as much re ferred to in the event of aggression in Denmark as ever England was. The honourable gentleman then pro. ceeded to read extracts from the correspondence, to show that Earl Russell had not used the threats that had been attributed to him, and he denied that that noble lord had ever lost one favourable opportunity of offeri ,a mediation, even when the Diet was threatening --., cation. The noble earl ' had been accused of aed .t'li g Denmark in negotihtions, but honourable members, if they read the blue-book aright, must come to a different conclusion. Then, again, it had been said that Earl ?tassel' had launched his noble friend Lord Wodehouse to Copenhagen, but at whose suggestion was he sent from England, not certainly at the instance of this coun try, but at the instance of Russia, and he utterly denied that Earl Russell had ever asked the King of Denmark to do an illegal act, such as had been imputed to him by hon. gentlemen opposite. There was a de spatch written by the noble earl of the most important nature, which had been generally misunderstood, it was not a war despatch, but one which was hoped would preserve peace. It was not addressed to France alone, but also to Russia, Sweden, Austria, and Prussia, and he con tended that as all the other powers to the treaty had refused to fulfil it, England was released from the necessity of going to war. The hon. member for Horsham stated on Tuesday night that England went into the Conference de claring she would support the independence and integrity of Denmark; but this she never did, for even Denmark admitted that they went into the Conference without any / regard to the basis of 1851 or 1852. Ihe right hon. gen tleman opposite said by way of complaint that her Majesty' s Government WO proposed in the Conference the line of the Bchlei, and that it was made without the co-operation of the ambassador of Russia. But it hon. members would turn to the record of the Conference they would find Lord Cla rendon stating in two of the protocols that that proposal was not solely the proposal of her Majesty's Government, but that it was brought forward with the co-operation of the neutral Powers. Baron Brunnow consented to support the proposal, and said that he was prepared to go into the Con ference on the basis of 1852, but if that basis were found to be untenable, he would support the line of the Schlei. word Russell had been accused of breaking his promise with re gard to the line of the Schlei ; but what the noble lord said was that he would not propose an other '..ine but that of the Schlei, not that he would not make another proposition, which was an important distincthon. (Hear, hear) Viliat hitry have thought if tile noble would that house or the cove rt lord had said, •' I will re nke no proposal for aeoitration ; let them go to war." Why, that was a s t ep i n the way of peace. The propes - al was unfortun a t e l y re f used by Denmark, Austria, and P-„asaia, and war ensu e d. H e must refer to another stet'ament of . h e h on , member for Horsham, because he believed that there never had been a speech made in that house which had shown a greater disregard for dates. (Laughter, and " Hear.") The hon. member stated that k e had heard Lord Russell say in the other house that within twenty-four hours he had again made an offer to France to go to war for Danmark. [Mr FITZGERALD sig nified dissent.] The hon. gentleman must not contradict him—(lauehter)—he was afraid he was pressing him too tight. When the hon. member made that statement he (Mr Layard) interrupted him, and said it, was not the case ; and the hen. gentleman said, "I heard the Foreign Secre tary say that the French Government had declined to go to war for Denmark." He (Mr Layard) had to state ?hat there was not the slightest foundation for that. When the Con ference met, the Emperor of the French spontaneously stated why France could not give her support to Denmark at that time. He had shown that Lord Russell had not used threats, but that the language he had used had been uni formly used by France--that he had not been unnecessarily meddling, and that he had supported the honour of this country, and had throughout shown an ardent desire to maintain peace. (Cheers.) He now came to a very im portant matter. The right hon. gentleman opposite (Mr Disraeli) stated that a change of language had taken place on the part of France in the autumn of last year, and he attributed that change of language to two reasons—first, to the way in, which France had been treated in the Polish question; and, secondly, the refusal to accept the Congress propesed by the Emperor. His right hen. friend the mem ber for Stroud, in his very able speech, had ventured to grapple with the right hon. gentleman on the question of Poland, and bad shown that that policy had been forced upon the Government by the House of Commons—(hear, hear)—and that the Gevernment had acted in complete conformity with the decision of the house. Then, again, with reference to the speech of the hon. member for Hors ham, who had referred to despatches of Feb. 18, Feb. 21, and Feb. 27, would the house believe that not one of the dates of these despatches was correct ? That part of the speech was a complete and absolute mystification, The eeepatch of Feb. 27 only existed in the hon. member's ima gination, and the other two despatches had nothing to do with this particular question. (Cheers.) But what were the facts ? The debate on Poland took place on Feb. 27, On March 2 Lord Russell wrote the first despatch, and he sug gested to the French Government—not in the strong terms of the motion, but in more courteous terms—the spirit of the address of the hon. member for King's County. (No, no.) Let the hon. member who cried " No" refer to the despatches. The hon. member for Horsham, on the occa sion of the debate on Poland, reminded the house that be had seen an illustrious Polish patriot, who hoped that some tb;,,,, g ~,,,.),./ },, a...,,. 5,-..- P -.1.. r. ud . .te c, k '.3./ic La,ra),l) V,..0 that illustrious patriot. But why was the promise held out to him at the time? Because hon. gentlemen opposite thought they would embarrass her Majesty's Government. (No, no, and cheers) The right hon. gentleman opposite had declared that there were only two lines of policy to be pursued with regard to Poland—viz., that Poland eh uld be made an in dependent kingdom, or that the Poles should be declared free. The resolutions of the hon. member for King's County were war resolutions, and the right hon. gentleman oppo site objected to them, and recommended they should be wtthdrawn, in order that they night be emasculated, [Mr DisRAELI —I recommended hies to withdraw the resolu tions.] Tho noble lord at the head of the Government was willing to have a discussion, but hon. members opposite objected, The hon. member for King's County said he was ready to proceed with the resolutions; but where were the right hon. gentleman and the hon. member for Horsham when the division took place ? Why, to use a word which had become almost classical, they " skedaddled." (Laughter and cheers.) But what was the fact ? The fact was that the hon. member for King's County was betrayed, and the illustrious Polish patriot was betrayed also, (Cheers.) He (Mr Layard) knew the history of that transaction. That illustrious Polish patriot was led to believe that the Con , servative party were going to support him, and he be lieved that Poland was going to be restored by war. But the fact was that the whole thing was got up to embarrass her Majesty's Government. When they found the country was not for war, they skedaddled. (Laughter and cheers.) Then the right hon, gentleman said that in the answer given to the proposition for an European Congress the Emperor of the French, whom he called his peculiar friend, had been offended ; but did not the right hon. gentleman himself use more offensive language when he accused the Emperor of the French of having abandoned an old ally and a people who had freely shed their blood in support of his dynasty. Such language, which was a reflection on the honour of the Emperor as a sovereign, and on his humanity as a man, was infinitely more discourteous than anything which had been written in Lord Russell's despatch, (Hear, hear,) He had listened in vain to the speeches of hon. members opposite for any clue to the policy they intended to pursue. He had heard much about the honour of Eng land and peace; but the country would not be satisfied with such vague words. (Cheers.) He should he glad to hear how her Majesty's Government could have :cted otherwise than they did. He had only heard of two suggestions; the first was that made by Earl Grey, that in the month of January this country should have sent 25,000 men to the Dannewerke ; the other was that her Majesty's Governmeh:, should have observed a total abstinence from interfe ,enea. With regard to the first p ro p osa l, wou ld any reaso - 4ahie man have thought of sendin g 25,000 men to Dt,fimark, in the depth of winter ? Th a t was a propos i `: chimerical for consideration, There /on too v ague and was one pa ssage i n t h e speech of the right h en . member tor Stroud which deser ve d attention; that part of it Which drew a distinction between interference and intervention. With regard to interference, he was as much opposed to it as the hon.member for Rochdale or the hon.member for Birmingham; but mediation in favour of peace is a matter of duty. (Cheers.) And any Government having the opportunity of bringing about peace, but who re fused mediation for the purpose, would be deserving not , f praise, but of execration. (Cheers) He wished to make one more reference to the speech of the hon. member for Hor• sham. 'When it was objected to hon. gentlemen opposite that they did not bring forward a motion before the Confer ence met, the hon. member for Horsham exclaimed, "How could we pronounce an opinion or bring forward a motion, when the papers containing the despatches were only laid on the table at the end of March ?" Now, au far from that being the case, the papers were presented the Ist day of March. (Loud cheers upon the Ministerial benches, and cries of " no, no" on the Opposition benches.) Therefore, the stet - ewer. tof the hon. gentleman was most reckless. (Renewed cries of "no, no" from the Opposition benches.) T here was a difference of a whole month between them, and ample time was allowed for bringing for ward a motion. Mr BAIL LlE—They were not distributed until the 20th. Mr LAYARD—The correspondence only ended at the beginning of February—:he answer fr om Vi enna was not received until then —and the papers wore in the hands of members at the beginning of March. From the right hon.' member for Berks it was impossible to obtain any definite idea o' his policy. (Hear, hear.) The right hon. gen lowan was too much vereed in the mysteries of politics to commit himself. (Cheers . ) But, looking round to the men of that party w•ho had not the art of the right hon. gentleman, what. did they say ? Why, the one amongst them who was most clmenei was the right hei member for Huntingdon (Gen Peel), He would not step to aelawhether and did not confirm the various suspicions floating in the political world —(laughter and ironical cheers)—but the right hon. gentle man, h aving begun his speech by declaring he was no par tisan, went on to remind the house that two years ago, in an atter dinner speech, he had spoken of the maculation, " degradation," and e vert' other a tion—(laugh ter) — which had befallen thi s country hn reference to Denmark. Ana then the right hon, gentleman, being at the end of his tether, and havi ng completely exhaus ted his own vocabu lary, had recourse to the columns of the morning Standard, where alone he could have fennel language so choice, and branded us as big mouthed bullies who sneaked off on the first show of danger. (Ironical cheers and laughter.) The hon. member for 'Bradford (Mr W. E. Forster) quoted one part of the gallant general's speech, in which he spoke of the tarnished honour of England ; but there was another part of the speech, in which he said that, if such things had happened in common life, the greatest coward would have rushed forward to protect the weak, without even asking what was the cause of quarrel--and then, added the right hon. gentleman, he saw no reason why the Foreign-office should not have acted in the same spirit. Well, what Was that but a war policy ?—(Ministerial cheers)—and a war policy of the very worst kind, because it was founded upon sentiment, and not upon tight. (Loud cheers) That was the policy of the right hon. gentleman, who leas loudly cheered by every member on the benches opposite. (Re newed cheers.) Who did they next put up to advocate a peace policy ? Why, of all men in the world, the noble lord the member for Stamford (Lord It. Cecil.) (Laughter, and ironical cries of " Hear, hear.") If there was any member of the house who had used strong language in favour of Denmark, it was the noble lord (Cheers.) The noble lord was a man of great power, and if it were not that he was in the habit of showing an unfairness towards his political op ponents that went beyond the privilege of partisanship —the noble lord would be a very great man in that house, and he had no doubt he would be so in future time. But he would ask the house whether the noble lord had ever made so bad a speech as on the other night — (laughter) —and the reason was because he aevocated a heT c b eaoh6huftetwsothehhneaoee.i that ins : e oti nnnuhe house, mbar .ga e mbdeß o e:n p ;o p ltifie o onnmt s rho i te t nweh i noc:osrecuiethotoanutaliht:nl country own sentiments. (Hear.) h o e r e e no differencespeechtche admittede ? r s i The o o w said f n a h t i h s ts t v t e e er r a r :: and n d w aob o a n d s l e had made more progress with . men sitting upon hundred years precedtg. :n the last 25 years than in any marvellous Well, had the right hon. gentle ‘,-nese benches no hand in producing that "progress ? -(cheers)—had they not, by availing t heills`.;tves of the ability of the hon. member himself, given to this England of ours some beneficent legisla ion ? (renewed cheers)—and had not gentlemen on the benches opposite taken a tone which must be especially distasteful to the hon. member on the vital question of America? (Cheers.) Why, if kentlemen opposite had been upon those benches, eve F l.ould have been at war with the United States. (Cheers and loud cries of " No, no," from the Opposition benches,) See hal they were committed as regarded America ? He and others saw around that house anxious faces, who were waiting for the overthrow of the Government, because they know that the moment the gentlemen opposite came in the rams would go out of Liverpool. (Loud cries of "No, no," from the Opposition benches.) Why, almost the highest legal authority of the party had committed himself in that house to the policy of the rams. (Cheers.) The hon. gen tleman continued—Let me ask what great crime has Earl Russell committed to authorise the house to eject the Mi nistry ;rom office? I do not mean to say that mistakes may not have been committed—(Opposition cries of " Hear, hear")—still I do not admit any. _But who is there that has had to carry on a long and difficult negotiation that has not had to say, on looking back, that something there was which might have been done better? (Ministerial cheers.) I boldly say that, during the whole of these negotiatiots, my noble friend has done his utmost to preserve the moth ration of Europe, and that any mistake which he may have made is infinitesimally small compared with the great policy which he had carried out. (Cheers.) Talk of lowering the just influence of the country 1 I will tell you what has lowered i - s just influence. It is the speeches we have heard from the other side of the house, telling foreign countries and foreign Governments that we are humiliated—telling them, while actually fouling y .ur own nest, that an Eng lish Ministry can be base, dishonourable, and cowardly. (Loud cheers.) 'Tis that which lowers the just influence of England in Europe. (Renewed cheering.) You may con • demn the Ministry, but, let me entreat of you, don't degrade the country. (Great cheering.) You say you simply mean a vote of want of confidence; then, if that be so, withdraw this resolution (Cheers.) R 'member, your resolution de clares that the great influence of the country has been lowered, and remember, if it is carried, that that will be branded upon the records of P • rliament for all time. (Great cheering.) But I utterly and entirely deny that the just in fluence of the country has been lowered, and I look forward with confidence to the verdict of the house and the country upon the question. (Cheers.) I can't believe, after the state ment which I have made—l can't believe, after showing hoe- Lord Russell has been misrepresented and misunder stood, how unjustly he has been abused—l cannot believe, I say that the house or the country will condemn a Minis ter who has laboured beyond all other men with truth and sincerity, and, in spite of taunts and threats, has success fully laboured, throughout a period of unequalled difficulty and danger, to preserve to th s country the inestimable blessings of peace. (The hon, gentleman resumed his seat amidst loud and prolonged cheering ) Mr HARDY said he did not wonder that gentlemen opposite should have received with cheers the first defence for the Government despatches. (Cries of "No, no," in the Ministerial benches) It was not his intention to revert back to the early period of 1848, as in his opinion the origin of the present controversy dated from Septem ber, '62. On the 24th of September in that year Lord Russell gave the German Powers to understand that he would support them in their contest with Denmark, and 4 1•••-s- .1, Ws. t .v which directly induced the issue of the letters patent. The correspondence with Mr Howard fully established that. But the hon member who had just spoken had charged his right hon friend the member for Bucks and his hon friend the member for Horsham with misquoting the correspondence. Well, he challenged that statement, and asserted that it wee utterly unsupportable. If any passage had been misquoted why had not the hon member corrected it at the m , ment But no, with that subtlety and cunning for which he was distinguished. (Shouts Of " Oh, oh," from the Miuisterial benches drowned the rest of the sentence.) The extracts read were perfectly correct and complete in themselves, and were such as to convey the whole tt nor of the despatches, And, with regard to their tenor and bearing, the hou gen tleman had taken very good care not to allude to what had fallen from gentlemen sitting on his own side of the house . The hon member for Rochdale said of our diplomacy—" It was anarchy—it made us the disgrace of Europe." And so also the right hon member for S;roud (Mr llorsman). No thing could • xceed the strength of his language with respect to this diplomatic correspondence. But hat right hon gen tleman had taken a most extraordinary course upon the question. The right hon gentleman said the Opposition was responsible for what had taken place, and that they had allowed the time to pass by when they ought to have inter fered, And then the right hon gentleman, with a humility which was almost touching, declared that even he—the sense-carrier of both sides of the house—(laughter) —had been neglecting his duty—(renewed laughter) —that even he, in common with an apathetic Parliament, had been neglecting his duty. (Much laughter.) Why, there never was a man in that house fitter to have brought forward the question of Denmark. The right hon gentleman could not have compromised any one but himself; for one so isolated, one so independent, had never occupied a seat in Parliament. (Hear, hear.) Any one who remembered the bitter language which had fallen prom the right hon. gen • tleman with respect to the occupants of the Treasm y bench knew that he was not shy in attacking a Ministry, (p,,, e newed cries of Hear, hear.) And now, to turn to the %- member the Under-Secretary for Foreign Affair . to 'on. ifh t: ci te u ll es t t h io e n h w on e . re ge n n o t t le d m el a iv n er t e h d a t t o the pap papJrs - relating I b e tiers at the commence ment of March. [Mr. LAY •' . _eat) dissented.] Why, upon the 18th of March the re , _eche lord at the head of the Foreign. office himself ga- 15 the reason why they had not been produced. f" . - Under e upposition cheers.) The h oe. gentleman the , decretary has had his attention called to the mat free. I gave him the opportunity of correcting himself, but he would not be corrected. (Opposition cheers.) Upon the 18th of March, Lord Ellenborough wished to bring forward his motion, and what did Lord Russell say ? "I do trust the noble lord, upon grounds of public policy, will adjourn the discussion until all the papers are before your lordships." (Loud cheers from the Opposition.) Mr LAYARD (interrupting)—l did not say the papers were in the hands of members on the Ist of March. Mr HARDY—The hon. gentleman (Mr Layard) has used language with respect to gentlemen on this side of the house which does no credit ei. her to him or the Government which he represents. (Cheers from the Opposition.) And now, when the hon. gentleman is Convicted of a misstate ment which he made in the hearing of the house—when he used those words—l am surprised that hon, gentlemen who sit by should have allowed him to make his calumnious statements. (tzie, of " Order, order.") Mr LAYARD—I rise to order. I move that the words just used by the hon. gentleman bs taken down. (Hear, hear, Order, order, and cheers.) I alluded to the words " calumnious statements." (Hear, hear, and cheers.) Mr HARDY (to the Speaker)—lf I am out of order, I shall hear from you, sir. (Cheers by the Conservatives.) The SPEA KER—Thoe does not appear to me to be anything out of order. Lord I'ALMERSTON then rose, and was received with cheers by the Ministerial party, and loud•and vociferous cries of " Order" from the opposite side of the House, He said—l rise to order. I apprehend that it is a fundamental rule governing the debates of this house :hat motives are not to be imputed to hon. gentlemen. (Interruption) I appeal to you, sir. (Oh, oh, arid much opposition by the Conservatives.) When a member attributes to another that that he makes caluminous statements An. HON. MEMBER —The :-peaker has decided that he has made a statement not out of order. Lord PALMERS lON essayed to make further remarks, and continued :or several moments gesticulating to the house. The deafening cries of "Order'' from the Conser vatives, however, quite drowned the voice of the noble vis count. At length, on sitting down, he said that "calumny does impure motives, viz., that he distorted the truth." Mr. DISRAELI, whose rising was the signal for com plete silence in the house, and who was at first quietly heard, said—l rise to order also----to speak on the point of order. I understood, having listened to this debate, that the hen. gentleman the Under-Secretary of State charged gentlemen on this side of the house with falsification. (Hear, hear, and loud cheers by the Conservatives.) Gen tlemen on this side of the house, conscious that they did not merit that charge, and not wishin g to disturb the order of debate, were content, when the time arrived, to reply, in terms befitting an accusation of that kind, and in a sense which every gentleman in Europe would think fit—(inter- Tin SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, JULY 8, 1864. uption). I maintain, with the house is placed, my hon. pe d ak ef e e r r ) e h nc a e 7 to ;: t r_ h ::: e :,s o e p ,l i i n i i n on,of ur the course, (the (t w h h e ic S li friend near me wac perieotry justified in using the term, after so ungentlemanly at' attack as that made upon him by the hon. gentleman the Under-Secretary of State. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, wno was vehemently assailed with cries of " Order" from the Op position side, said—Sir, when the hon. gentleman (Mr. Disraeli) rose there was imlXtiiate silence on this side of the house. I tr.ist we shall be permitted to say what I have to :ay on this side in order; The hon. gentleman, as I understood him ; fotincled his justification in point of order on what has just taken place upon an allegation made by him that my hon. friend the Under-Secretary of State for the Foreign Department charged hon. gentlemen opposite with falsification. (Cheers./ In the firsi place, lam not aware that he did so—(oh, oh)—that the allegation was correct in point of fact; but permit me to say that, if these disorderly words were used, which I do not aimit, for I am not conscious of it—if, and this is matter material to the issue—it disorderly words were used by my honourable friend, it was the duty of gentlemen who thought them disorderly to do that which was done by my honourable friend the Under-Secretary of State, and call the attention of the house and chair to the subject the moment the words were used. (Hear, bear.) I apprehend lam safe in laying down that a breach of order—much less a mere allegation of a breach of order—committed by one speaker, will not justify another in the same breach of order. (Great interrup ion.) I hope it will be clearly un derstood whether an imputation of calumnious statement: is or is not henceforward within the liberty of parliamen tary debate, (Oh, oh ) Sir J. PATON G ''ON —I think it right, after wh It has fallen from th. , r 4 ,ht hoe. gentleman, to state that I myself heard—and I may say heard with deep indignation—the word " falsification" from the hon. gentleman on the oppo site side. (Cheers.) I myself said across the house at the moment the word was too bad, and I say, if the hon. gen tleman is to be allowed to use language accusing hon. gen tlemen on this side with falsification,we have a right ,o call that word ca uninious. (C 3 nservative cheers.) I say, after all that has passed, I think the Speaker has ruled most properly. Mr B. OSBORNE was heard in preference to Mr Hardy, who was then rising, and said—l rise to speak to order, and to make a respectful and moderate appeal to the house, anct I do so in support of your just authority, sir. (Conservative cheers.) You, sir, have been appealed to by an hou. gentleman in this house, and having laid down the law, which I think you did in your usual candid and straightforward manner--.[Here the hon. gentleman was interrupted by the rising of Sir Minto Farquhar, who, in the general turmoil, had not observed that he had not yet concluded]—l must put it to the house whether we are net imperil ing our just influence in the affairs of Europe and this country it, when you hive given your decision, that the speaker, whoever he may be on either side, is in order, the noble lord or any other member of this house is to get up and dispute your decision—(Opposition cheers)—and endeavour to overrule it. Such is not my idea of the way to pre-erve order, and 1 am surprised that the leader of this house should endeavour to bring your au - hority into disrepute. (Opposition cheers.) The SPEAKER, who was received with solemn silence, said—l am sure the hon. member for Leominster (MrHardy) is the last member in the Heim to impute motives to any man. Certainly the debate has been very warm and excit ing, and I should regret to hear, because it would be put. ring the whole House into a talse position, that heated language on one side should be a justification for language passing the line of order on the other side. (Hear, hear.) Certainly, anything imputing motives to an hon. memoer is contrary to the rules o: this House (Hear, hear.) What has passed in the explanation of this matter, has in some degree in my view altered the case. I mean that it appears to me that language which rather passes the ordinary rules of debate, has been used in conse quence of similar language having been used previously. The debate has been a heated one, and as it was going on I conress there did not appear to me to be any neces • city for interruption or interventien on my part. The hon. menwer for Leominster did not, I ant sure, intend to impute motives which would be of an unparliamentary cnaracter in this case. Under the circumstances of the case it did not appear to me necessary that I should inter- Pfero; but after what hae occurred I do nope that the house will return to a calmer spirit, and I trust that, though the moment is an exci ing one, language on no side will be used which passes the kis!. privi;oges of debate. Mr LAYARD, Hein; amid loud cries of " Order " and " Chair," wish to express my regret to the hon. gen Leman if he understood me. I did not use the word " fwsitication " as my own word, but I quoted it as the word of another. (Cries of " Name.") An Hon. 1 1 1EMBRR—The Cnancellor of the Exchequer. Mr LAYAILD—it the hon. gentleman understood that as an imputation on my part tliat he was guilty of falsifica tion, I hg to offer hiw my apology. Mr HOUSMAN, after several vain attempts to gain a hearing, said—l wish to speak on another point. (Oh, oh.) The hen membe: for Leominster just now, holding in his hand the terms of the motion 01 which I gave notice to this house in March. (Loud cries of " Ordsr," and " Chair.") irtt Lou give oue Lena& Mr, lIARDY—Ar, Speaker, I trust that neither now nor upon any other occasion shall I be wanting in respect for the chair, or for the coaracter and dignity or this house, but I cannot help saying that, on the firet night of this de bate, the hon. geotlenian accused the right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer—(Load cries by the Op position, amidst which) The OHAN'ELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose and advance ito the table. Tb.- cries were then intensified into must vociferous deuriancil for order, and the right hon. gen tleman, finding it impossible to p rocee d , stoo d a f ew mu meats in silence, and then resumed his Goat. The SPEAK ER—The right hon. gentleman is not going to refer to what pa:3Bo— HARDY—It was in this debate. The SPEAKER—I cannot allow words which were uttered on a previous night-- Mr. HARDY—Without imputing motives either to the right hon. gentleman opposite, what I meant to say, and what I do say still, is, if these expressions are not retracted by those who bay that th. y had been falsified on this side of the house- that is a calumny, by whomsoever delivered. Ido not impute motives. A ealntunir May be spread with out the person spreading it being influenced icy motives; but the statement involved the h onour of gentlemen on t h is side of the house. At the man e t i me, the hon: gent l eman has not apologised to me, for I require no apology. I can only say I did not impute to the hoh gefitiehian opposite (Mr. Layard), or to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, any thing wilful; but in the heat of debate, they uf ed words which were calculated to wound the honour and feelings of hon. gentlemen on this side of th e house. (Hear, hear.) (The hon. gentleman then res umed the point in the de b ate at which he was interrupted, ) The hon. gentleman oppo site (Mr. Horsman) had ke c ti sed him of not quoting t h e terns of his addrSis. He h a d no objection to rea d t h e whole thiLt.,;...:-IMr. HOluistafs—Th e last paragraph.]--- ` t -oat, in the opinion of th is h ouse, her Majesty o ught not t'l Oa advised to give her ailment to a n y new engagements affecting the integrity and independence of Denmark un t il those engagements have b'en m a d e k nown to Parliament." (Hear.) He was at that point w h en the h on . gentleman (Mr. Layard) stated the house were in possession of the papers relating to this matter on the Ist of March. The right hon. gentleman (Mr.Hottnatt) said that ther e was n o objection to this discussion bei ng taken at an y period. On the contrary, both Lord Russell and the no ble lord opposite had said it would be ilijudicicu s, and m i g ht inteifsre with the negotiations, to bring thi s quest i on forward at an earlier period, or while the Conference was sitting. This being so, the time they had taken was the earliest time they had the opportunity o f d o : ng 80 . They did not in terfere during the progress of these negotiations. The de sire of every man was that t h e peace o f Europe should be restored it possible; and if this Conference Lad been brought to an amicable conclusion, no one wou ld have been more .de lighted than he at su6, a conclusion. They wer e tol d , It is not only the past, ye lt must tell us som ethin g abo ut the futur. Now, as to th e future, the hon. gentleman (Mr. Layard) had told theM that he had seven f o lio volumes re lating to certain proc eedings, which none of th em h a d seen. Were they despatth es or were they donun fents in exteneo o f which they had heard from the hon• m ember and th e noble lord ? It was pl a i n i t was only the case o f th e G overnment that bad been laid b e f ore the house, an d it was on t h e case of the Governm en t t h at they asked the ve rdi c t o f t h at house and the country. The hon. g possible to constitute apelicoyf them forhad. And it wa s i m en tianan was in pos sess i on of information which lloli o the future when th e y h ad not the means o f i n f ormation. Hen. gent l emen sa id " Bring forward your v o t e of . damaging the int erest peace , and would any one say th a t o e f nt of con accused the Government of mismanaging these affai rs an d fidence." Well, th ey h ad was not a vote o f want of con fid e nce P If it were n o t, h e would like to k now what was. Th e G overnment had threatened and menaced an d had not fulfilled their threats. They had alvised, and their advice had nut been taken. The condition o f things had been c h ange d , and they had strong terms the conduct of the deserted thos e t o members for B ra Government, and so h a d whom and dy Rochdale had conde mne d i n had given advice. The hon. that watchful Tear'e m, as be called himself, who was always looki,,g atter British honour and interest. He flew upon Lord Ru sse ll , tore from him every rag, and had lett and exposed hi m in his flatted ness to that, house and to the country. (L aug h ter.) Th i s speec h was f o il owed by a remarkable statement, that the hem. gentleman was going t o fo li os gentlemen to t h e Government lobby. H a cou ld hardly w onder at that. F our. teen years ag o th e noble watch- l og as he called him self—had sav e d hi s master, a nd he was about to follo w hi m into the lobby i n the tame way again. (Laughter.) If i t were admitted th a t tion, who had b r o ught her into that pos i t i on ? and how did Engl an d o ccupied an embarrassin g posi the present Government fled her when they became pss sessed of the seals of offic e S according to the statements of the Government themselves, they had been up to the middle of last year in accordance with France and Russia. The fact was that they had arrived at this position by constant meddling. With regard to the Conference, he could not help thinking , hat all mankind, like M. Drouyn de Lhuys, foresaw how it would end. The Government began by discarding the treaty which had all along been the basis of its policy, and when Denmark and England had proposed a certain line as an ultimatum, and that proposal was re " -vernment proposed an arbitration, Jested, her Majesty's - ot accept. which it ought to have mown Denthaik couto Now, how was the Government going to meet this question'? The amendment which was to be submitted to the house evaded the pith and sense of the original motion, to Which indeed it might be added as a rider. (Opposition cheers.) It was certainly true that the peace of England is at this moment inviolate, but then it should be borne in mind that that *as not the object of the negotiations. After all their threats and failures, the Government were trying to back out on the plea that England is at peace. He believed that this country had been lowered in the opinion of Europe by the course pursued by the Government. He deeply re gretted that she had been brought to such a condition; but the gentlemen on his aide of the house maintained that the present Government were responsible for it. Thmy (the Opposition) had menaced throughout the whole of the session ; they had now struck the blow ; and they were now ready to take the responsibility which might follow. (Loud cheers from the Opposition.) Mr HOUSMAN rose to explain that he had never gold, as the hon. gentleman seemed to suppose, that the Germans were a set of bullies. Sir F. GOLDSMID owned that he found a great dtffi• culty in deciding what to do. He could not say " No" to the resolution of Mr Disraeli, yet he could not give a vote which would assist to place the Opposition in office. Under these circumstances, although he entirely differed with Mr Kinglake in his amendment, he would accept it as the only mode cf escaping from the horns of a dilemma. Mr G. W. BENTINCK thought it was the duty of the House of Commons to look to the honour of the country and not to be influenced by sentiment either in favour of Denmark or against GHrmany. The resolution of Mr Dis raeli was only a truism, and und , T present circumstances had become a platitude. It was impossible to deny that the policy of the Government had lowered the reputation of the country in the estimation of European nations. Nothing, in fact, could have been more unfortunate; but although he was prepared to censure it he would not support the e solution if he believed that any compact existed between the Opposition and the Uhramontane party below the gangway. Mr COGAN denied that the question of peace or war was at issue. The real question which the house hat to decide was in what wanner it could best vindicate the honour o ►' the country. Our foreign diplomacy had, i. his opinion, reduced us to such a state that we were neither loved nor feared. To have made Earl Russell the head of the Foreign Office was a great mistake—a cruel joke on the part of the Premier, and had been most disastrous to the country. The policy of the • overnment towards Ireland was almost as unfortunate as that pursued in reference to Denmark. They had outraged and insulted the people of Ireland by sending Sir R. Peel to direct their affairs. As an Administration 'heir diplomacy abroad had failed as lamentably as their policy at home, and in voting r ensure upon them he would do so, not in order to place a Conservative Administration in power, but to purity the Liberal party. Mr PEACOCKE also spoke in favour of the reso lution. The ATTORNEY. GENERAL observed that the argu ments of the hon. gentlemen who supported the resolution meant that England must no longer negotiate unless she had her hand on her sword, and unless she was prepared to go to war if her counsels were discarded, It a majority of the house were to sanction such a policy, it would go forth to the world that. England would on all occasions act upon the principle of following up the language of remonstrance with armed interference, He maintainel that the words of the Government which had been characterised as menacing were not menaces, but the mere denunciations of the honest truth—the coming warning of mischief' and danger. Earl Russell, in his conduct of the toreign effeirs or the country, had pursued an honest, etraigettorward course, and any failures 'hat had occurred were o be attributed to the infir mity of humanity, and not to any miscarriage of the policy which the Government had laid down for their guidance. He contended that England tall been as cautious and re ' served in Lot encouraging Denmark or holding out expec tations of help as ai.y of the other Powers which had entered the Conference. The resolutions submitted by Mr Disraeli were, in his opinion, a lame and impotent conclu sion to the premises and arguments by which they were supported. It there had been a breach of faith on the pert o: the Government, it was not by getting rid of the Minis try that we were to be relieved tram our engagements. The fact was that there were no such engagement, as ha,: been alleged, and the real object of the vote of censure was to displace a Guy rnment to enswer the purposes of a party irrespective of the effect upon foreign countries, Such a course was not worthy of the reputation of a great party, and he thought it would be tar more honourable and satis factory ii they did their best to maintain the faith of treaties than to succeed to power by availing themselves of tae " chapter of accidents." He could not understand how hon gentlemen opposite, with all the letters material to the question before them since the 3d of March, should be content to watch and wait lor.tne course of events, and thtm ccm.- clown to the house with a motioe, not complain ing of the non-iuifiiment of pledges on the part of England, not condemning the Government for not going to war, but blaming them for having c ,, tupromised the chances of peace. kteueere.; lie auliet ee at trap upea auu patriotic Opposition, when the Government were honestly and ear nestly conducting negutia:ions, to wait until such ne getiatioas were either successtully concluded or failed; but it was not coneisteet with patriotism to stand by it they saw the honour or the country was compromised. It the Opposition thought, after France mid Russia had declined to co-operate, that England should go to war, that was the time tor them to declare that the country should not be involved in war, Thu course pursuad by the Opposition was one which he believed the house would not endorse o' approve, but he was sure it would be more satisfactory to the Government to fail on the present occasion than to suc ceed to power by availing themselves of the chapter of acci dents. (Cheers) There was no advice given by her Majesty's Government that had not been given by France and Russia. These Powers had equally declared that, under certain circumstances, they might be induced to take part with Denmark, but for reasons of their own they had not adhered to that promise. Her Majesty's Government were willing to adhere to it if the other Pow , rs did, and if they had the assistance of France and Russia they would have given material aid in stopping the war. But, al though France and Russia had acted in a precisely similar manner, the conduct of there powers was represented as honourable, while her iVlejesty's Government was consi dered worthy of censure. (Hear, hear.) He believed the honour of this cone try had not suffered from the manner in whioh these negotiations had been conducted. He be lieved the only way to maintain the intlnence of the coun try was to do right, and advise others to do right, and not to enter upon useless and unnecessary wars. (Cheers.) Whatever might be the opinion of that house at the present moment, he was sure that the verdict of posterity would not endorse those imputations upon the Government which had formed the male staple of the arguments in the present I debate. (Cheers,) Lord J. MANNERS expressed his surprise at the sub lime audacity of assertion into which the learned Attorney- General had allowed himself to be betrayed. The Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Under-Secretary for Foreign Affairs had been bold enough in their statements, but the z . of the hon. an d l earned gentleman had carried him further, and enabled him to improve upon those statements. The Attorney-General had totally misunderstood the lair guage of the add ress . Al i t h at t h ey sa id was t h at i t was no t right for England to encourage resistance on the part of Denmark, either directly or indirectly, unless they had pro posed to carry o u t t h e i r th rea t s an d fulfil their promises. Five years ago the noble lord had come into office, in order, in the first place, to carry a democratic Reform Bill, and in the next to raiso the name of England to a height which it had not attained under the wise and temperate management of Lord Derby. (Laughter on the Ministerial betimes.) Well, how had the noble lord redeemed that boasted pledge? How had he maintained the honour and character of Eng land in those transaction 'e ? Why, from every foreign news paper, from every foreign capital in which an unfortunate Englishman might happen to reside, from every foreign Court to which the Government had addressed its Bier le complaints, there came one and the same answer, More than that, the very speech of the Royal Commissioners at th e commencement of the session admitted that, whereas in 1859, when Lord Derby's Government succeeded to the management of affairs, England was loyal to all the other Powers of Europe, in 18G4 she stood in a position of im potent isolation. (Cheers.) Why was it that great States like Prussia, and small States like Saxony, equally repu dieted our interference ? The cause was not deep. It had been reserved for Lord Russell to combine a parody of the language of Lord Chatham with en exagge ration of the policy of Sir Robert Walpole. But it was said they were not concerned with Lord Russell alone, but with the whole of the Government. Ho admitted that, and far be it from him to fellow the example of the noble earl him self in 1855, when he made one of his colleagues responsible for the guilt of the whole Administration. He, therefore, wouid not charge Lord Russell alone with the failure of these negotiations. He must say that, having been in the house on that memorable July morning of last year, when' the noble lord at the head of the Government delivered nimself of that famous statement to wnich such frequent reference had been made, he could not but accuse the noble lord of a singular blindness in regard to the threatening aspect of this qUarrel. In spite of the warnings which he received, the noble lord rose in his place in the end of July, and said that he saw no danger to Europe under those cir cumstances. They were now told than the dignity of that house would suffer it it gave expression to the universal voice of the country if the House of Commons failed to give expression to that voice, they failed in the discharge of one of their most solemn and most important duties. The time, he thought, had come when this house must express its opinion on the conduct of the Government. (Hear, hear.) If, having expressed the threats they had expressed, they had pursued a bold and vigorous policy in the outset, they might have stifled this iniquitous war in its bud ; but, instead of that, it appeared to him the Government had neither known how to maintain the peace of Europe, nor how to uphold the dignity of England. (Heat, hear.) It appeared to him that the one had been and was still imperilled, and the other was tarnished, in the keeping of her Majesty's Ministers. He had perused these . docu ments with pain and rtlret, and it was with pain and with regret that he felt himself bound to support the address prepared by his right hon. friend. He believed that address expressed accurately the opinion of England ; and of this he was quite certain, that the pitiful and helpless pages which he had waded did not reflect the spirit and throllo7 "^c , lish people. They should remove aspiratione of the Am....„ 4. conditions which they those froM authority who had ' in order to had not fulfilled. They should be removeu, • pre vent humiliation, and England would rise to ber name and fame and power, become once morel' the moral bulwark of the oppressed against the oppressor, and resume her wonted influence in the councils of Europe. (Conser vative cheers ) Mr OSBORNE moved the adjournment of the debate. Mr ONSLO W, in seconding the motion, said he thought the Government had steered the barque of the State with consummate skill. (Oh, oh, and laughter, by the Conser vatives.) Hon. gentlemen miflot hugn, but there was a strong party in the House and a still stronger party in the country who were of that opinion, and had confidence in the Government, It was his firm conviction that so long as they were blessed with a Liberal Government--(hear, hear, and laughter)—and so long as affairs were administered by the Government now in office, England was secure. (Cheers and laughter.) It was all bosh to say the prestige of Eng land was lessened on the Continent. (Laughter.) It England was hated on the Continent, his long experience told him it was because we were rich and powertul, and because we were happy. (Cheers and counter-cheers.) The Government, instead of a vote of censure, were worthy of thanks for having slipped the neck of England out of that noose which was prepared for her. (Hear, hear.) As this was a struggle for party and power, he should support the Government, with the full anticipation that his vote would meet with the approbation of his constituents. Mr HENN ESSY said that, before the debate was ad journed, he wished to call the attention of the douse to a circumstance which might have the wffect of inducing two members of the Government for the future to pay that deference which was due to the chair. He found that the noble lord at the head of the Government, on the 27th April, 1855, addressing that House, used these words with reference to a statement made by the Under- Secretary of State for the Home Department : " Every reasonable man must have been convinced that the charges made by the honourable member (Mr Layard) were false and caluminous." (Opposition cheers.) The noble lord had risen that night not only to call to order an hon, member who had used precisely identical words, but had actually concluded by calling into question the decision of the speaker. Lord PALMERSTON apprehended that on the occa sion to which the hon. member referred, he had applied those terms not to the hon. member for Southwark, but to charges made by so oe other person. (Oh, and hear.) In any case he entirely submitted to any decision which Mr. Speaker might make on that or any other point. He rose chiefly to ask the hon member for Buckinghamshire whether it was h s wish, and the wish of those acting wit h him, that the debate should terminate to• morrow night. It so, he would appeal to hon. members who bad motions on the paper, on the motion for go ng Into committee of supply to allow that motion to be made only as a matter of tot m, so that the debate might be proceeded with as soon as the forms of the House permitted. (Hear, hear.) Mr DISRAELI said—So far as he could collect the wishes of the House, it was that the debate should be con cluded to-morrow (Friday) night. The adjournment of the debat was then agreed to. The Cranbourn-street Bill passed through committee. The Indemnity Bill was read a third time and passed. COURTS OF JUSTICE SITE BILL. This bill• was read a second time The Indio Srocks Transfer Act Amendment Bill was read a t ird time and pas-ed. PILOTAGE ORDER CONFIRMATION (No 2) BILL The order 'or the commi , tal of this bill was discharged. The Turnpike Act 4 Continuance Bill was read a second time. PUBLIC Sc HOOLS BILL. This bill passed through committee. The Ecclesiastical Courts and Registries (Ireland) Bill passed through committee. The Judgments, &c., Law Amendment Bill was read a third time and passed. STREET MUSIC (METROPOLIS) BILL. On the motion for the third reading of this bill Sir W. JOLLIFFE moved that it be read a third time that day three months. The motion was r( jected by 49 to 18, The bill was read a third time and passed, The other business was disposed of and the house ad journed a few minutes before two o'clock, Scene in the House of Commons last Night. There were fewer cards left by members with the chaplain at a quarter to four last afternoon than on the previous evenings of the debate; but there was no lack of those distinguishing marks of a lull at iendance. When Mr. Layard rose the house was almost thin, the Opposition being in the majority ; but by halt'-cast five the house had resumed the appearance which has become" normal in the pr.,- ben t Parliamentary conjuncture. The reason for this was obvious, for it was soc.n discovered that Mr. Layard was melting a capital speech. His prepa rations showed very formidably. There was a de spatch box, full of neatly-arranged papers; on one side of his chosen position at the table there was another packet of tethered documents conspicuously .placed before him on the box, which is so useful in giving effect to emphatic periods by the hollow sound which it returns to the energetic slaps that ,re bestowed upon it; while a jorum of water for purposes of deglutition was exhibited with ominous ostentation, and flatskud a pile of volumes of what were blue-books before they were endued witti the uniform binding of the library of the house. At once Mr. Layard gave notice that he was going to make a long speech, and immediately he went in for uttermost and loyal defence of Lord Russell, by be cemieg intensely aggressive in a series of parey • heses, interspersed between statements of facts, col- lation of documents, and explaining away of the well-culled quotations which had been used by gentlemen opposed. Notably, he dissipated what was supposed to be a great Faint made by some body—Mr. Horsnaan, we believe—on the date and the locality of what is called the " Gotha de spetch," which he showed was not written in ' a Cabinet in Germany under the supervision of the King of Prussia, but in Downing-street, before Lord Russell went on his continental tour in attendance on the Queen. This speech was the moos welcome even to the opponents o f t h e G overnmen t, because it was the first lormai defence of their policy whit:a had been attempted since Mr. Gladstone had spoken. Speakieg directly Mr. Layard may have been expected from to b Foreigne earnest, Office, even energetic ; but he un questionably outdid all expectations. He stirred and excited the House; the cheers broke out at almost every other sentence; every point was taken up watmty by the members behind him; while the pleasant bitter of ironical cheers was administered to him with a palpable tonic effect. Tne least tacti cal part of his speech, its cooderonation, distributing defiance and retort with a slight indiscretion, bed the effect of putting the House into a turmoil and a state of antagonism which 'ended to give a pro minency to Mr. Gathorne Hardy, who followed, which that gentleman would hardly have achieved for himself, however well he had got up his lesson. Cut iously enough, Lord John Manners rose at the same time with Mr. Hardy, indicating an absence of arrangement in the debate; for, both being oc cupants of the front Opposition bench, they might be supposed to have been in communication on the matter of mar. marring. Mr. Hardy is what may be called a tempestuous speaker. and seems to be in a state of chronic excitement, and, flushed beyond himself by the spirit of the scene, he used words towards Mr. Layard which caused that gentleman to jump up and demand that they should "be taken down." The Speaker, actuated by the reluctance to put in force the penal rules of the House, owing to an ignorance he shares with all his predecessors as to what is to be done in order to carry them out in action, intimated that, looking to the habits of the present Parliame nt, he saw noth i n g particular in the language in question. This brought u p L ord Palmerston in a well-assumed rage, who impeached the decision of the chair; to whom came, i n a m i ll better feigned passion, Mr. Disraeli, who brought up Mr. Gladstone in . a real one ; and in he melee, which grew hot and furious, Mr. Osborne intervened in the new character of the " vir pietate grevis," whose calm and reverend presence has been described as effectual in tamieg down the passionate impulses of a crowd, and demanded deference to the decision of the chair. On this the Speaker, who had been rather snubbed, insinuated that both pare ties were in th© wrong, and that the best thing they could do was to let the matter drop, with a promise not to "do so any more," which half-sate cestic advice was duly followed. Soon after the House was lett in the hands of Sir Francis Gold. staid, until Mr. G. Bentinck rose to gratify a natural curiosity as to how he would vote, and who, while stating that he should go against Ministers, de clared that he could not go into the same lobby with certain Iritih Roman Catholic members, if he was assured that they had agreed to withdraw their ordinary support from the Government, under what he insinuated was a questionable compact, This was reasonably expected immediately to pros duce a row; but although Mr. Cogan, evidently in the character of a representative man amongst Irish Liberal members, declared that he was about to desert Ministers, the discussion lapsed quietly down • to MI. to Peacocke, wh o , as usual, tried be very particular, was not. I t seeme d somewhat of a wasting ofthe bu: fi rs te " material of the Gov ernmen t tLenttorney-General at debating power to put up a point of the discussion when nota,:jug had occurrect to stir the hon. and learned gentleman up to COG"' cert-pitch ; and though he delivered a most mas:crly speech, the.circumstances of the hour were unfavour• able to his developing all his qualities, end pouring out that eloquence which he is well known ta pos— sess. His argumentation was nearly faultless, aura his interjectional observations were pointed and spirited; but those who expected a burst of decla mation at the close of his address must have been a little disappointed. Lord John Manners; had the dissatisfaction of shouting his carefully— balanced sentences, in his most strident tones, to the very smallest audience which had listened to any • speaker who claims pretensions to at least a second rank. At last Mr. Osborne obtained the privilege which belongs to the gentleman who moves the adjournment of the debate ; and of course this pos session will act as an invittition of the most general character to the House. Tne discussion was not allowed to close without a characteristic attempt on tne part of Mr. Hennessy to get up a scene with Lord Palmerston, which, however, the noble lord literally dashed aside. It is to be noted that it is arranged that the debate is to close this night. Mr, Gladstone and Reform, Mr Thomas Pindar, having conveyed to Mr Glad. stone a resolution expressing approval of Mr Glad.• stone's public career and his opinions on reform, which was adopted receimy at a meeting of the working men of Newark, has received from the Chancellor of the Exche-quer the following reply "Carlton House-terrace, S.W., July 1. "Sir—l have received with particular interest anal gratification the resolutions which you have been good enough to forward to me from a meeting of the working men of Newark. lam not friendly to changes either sudden or violent, but I cannot wonder that they should regret the almo'st entire i , hdrawal (as I presume it to be), in places like New.rk, from their class, of the privilege of the suffedge ; and I hope to see the public opinion of this country move gradually and steadily in the direction of such measures as, while neither derange ing or disturbing society, would sensibly widen the basis of our institutions, and contribute in propor. tion to their solidity and strength. Long years have now severed me from Newark, and those whom I remember there, or could remember me, are principally numbered with their fathers. But no lapse of time can efface from my mind the me mory of the place whien gave me, when young, the opportunity of learning within the walls of Pariia. ment the working of the constitution, and the true character of my country. With many thanks for your obliging note, I remain, Sir, your very faiths fill servant, " W. E. GLADSTONE. " Mr. Thomas Pind4r." COUNTRY MARKETS. MANCHESTER-THURSDAY. A full attendance at our market to-day, but the business passing was limited, and for both English and foreign wheat the full prices of last week were demanded. Flour met a slow demand at former rates. Oats Id per 45► b up, and oatmeal steady. English beans advanced is per qr. and Egyptian is to 2s per qr. Indian corn was Ilkewise is Cid to 2s dearer. BURTON• ON-TRENT-THURSDAY. The usual show of grain at our market. and we quote all advance of 6d to is on wheat Barley rather dull, and at previous prices. Oats were very scarce, but met with tair demand. Beans were firm, at extreme prices. Peas unaltered in price. Old white wheat ..42s to 46s New do. 44s to 4Ss Malting barley....32s to 35s Grinding d0.....26s to 30s Old red wheat, 378 to 40s New do. '43s to 45s Oats. 21s to 29s Beans 3ss to 430 BIRMINGTIAM—TuuItsDAY. There was a moderate supply of English wheat at mar• ket to-day, and last week's extreme prices were realised. —English wheat was sold at 42s to 448 for white, and 36s to 42s per 36 stone for red, Barley, new malting, 30s to 38s per qr; grinding, 24s to 26s Oats, old, 22s to 30s per 30 stone ; Irish, 18s to 245. Beans, 36s to 40s per qr. Peas, 34s to 388 per 36 stone. BRISTOL-THURSDAY. A small supply of English wheat at our market, which sold pretty treely at fully late prices Foreign unaltered In price, but the sale was inactive. Barley 3d to 6d advance upon late quotations, but the demand was by no means 1.4-go. Oats were more freely off e red, and h e p r i ces paid were scarcely so good as on this day se'nnight. Beane were unaltered. Peas in slow request. EDINBURGH GRAIN-.TuLT 6. To. day there was a good supply of grain, which sold at fully last week's prices. Wheat on the top Is Od down.. average Os id up. Barley on the top is Od up average Os 7d down. Oats on the top Os 6d up..... .... average Os 3d down. Beans on the top is Od up average Os 9d up, Avel age Prices. Wheat.. Barley 2BB Od 1 Beans 3ss ild Total Supply and Sales. Wheat .. 964 qrs Sold 674 qrs 8ar1ey........ 18 qrs Sold 137 qrs Oats Beans 7l qrs Sold 62 qrs Foreign Mail Packet List. MAIL, DUE. vustralia and Mauritius, via Southampton..... • • July 19 arseilles Brazil and Cape Verde, by via Britis M h packet. Aug. . 4.. ;ape of Good Hope, Ascension, and St. Helena. July 29. :hina, Penang, and Singapore, via Southatupton.July 19. via Marseilles July 14. Falkland Islands Litbraltar, via Southampton .. July 12 India (Calcutta), and Ceylon, vi a S ou th ampton Jul 29 via Marseilles July 14 India (Bombay), via Southampton .July 11 via Marseilles July 18- Portugal.... • Aug. 4. `•calta, Egypt, and Aden, via Southampton; 1 July 1 • via Marseille, July --- Newfoundland . July 20 ;porto and Vigo C. S. and British N. America, by Brit. packet.... July 14 by U.S. packet.... by Canadian packet. July 8 All parts of West Indies, including Chili, Peru, California. and B r iti s h C o l um b ia. ....... July 14. [ADVERIMM[ENT,]—HoIIoway's Pills.—Disorders of the kidneys, known by the deeply-seated pain in the back, and scanty secretion of water, can be arrested in their dis tre,3tiing and rapid course by these regulating Pills. Their highly tonic and strengthening properties prevent the bar poverishm.nt of the blood and the derangement of circa's• tion, characteristic of kidney disease, and often ending ill partial or general dropsy. Experience has proved the almost unvaried success obtained when Holloway's Pillo are taken in the earlier stages, and the ease they afford when the complaint is more advanced. They relax the hot and parched skin, (welcome the attendant costiveness, and induce copions secretion by the kidneys, which are the harbingers of disease departing and health returning. Births. KENYON.--On the sth inst., at 40, Wilton-crescent, the 111 , 13. Mrs. Kenyon, of a son. PORTSMOUTH --On the 6th inst., at Hurstbourne-parks Hints, the Countess of Portsmouth, of a son. 'WELDON —On the 7th inst., at the residence of her too her, 1, Oxford-square, Hyde-park, the wife of Sir A• C. Weltion, Bart., of a son. Marriages. FITZCLARENCE—SCOTT. — On the sth inst., at St. Paul's' Wilton-p ace, Commander the Hon. George Fitzelarence► R.N., to the Lady Maria Henrietta Scott, eldest daughter of the Earl and Countess of ClonnAell. NEWBERY—BULL.—On the sth inst., at Saint John'et Sou• u%ick-cresc, nt, London, Colin, youngest son of the late T. C. Newbery, Esq., of Ottery St. Mary, Devon• shire, to Emily Augusta Vignier, filth daughter of J. e. Ball, Esq., of Hyde-park-street,W. Deaths. BRANTHWAITE.—On the sth inst., at Morecambe, drowned while bathing. the Rev. John Br..nthwaite, Principal of St. Edmund Hall, (Word, aged 41. GRATTAN.—On the 4th inst., at 117, Jermyn-street, Thoe. Coney Grattan, Esq., late 11.111.'8 Consul for the Stat e of Massachusetts, U.S, GILEERf.—On the btu inst., at VanbrUgh-park, Black heath, George Felix Gilbert, aged 75. PEARCE.—On the 7th inst., Francis Pearce., Eeq., of St' Joan's-,oad, Upper Lewisham, aged 77. ROBERTSON.—On the 6th inst., at Riohmond-road, ney, Ronalo Rubertsun, Esq., aged 49 WILSON.—On the 7th inst., at Chelsea C o ll ege , Lodi Wilson, wife of Si r John . Wilson, C. 13., K,H. London: Primed and Prblisheo Dy WILLIAM ANDRE ir Pt Of No. 112, St ran d , P r i n t er , at l IIE SUN Office ;No. ' la 7 Stritnd .n th, erecinot of the :Savoy, n the °got 11 411 4 ,4 !eaex --Friday, July 8, 184.