The Sun. — London, England, 1864-11-26 00:00:00

lir Disraeli and Mr Cardwell on Church Matters, OXFORD, Friday. A meting or the Association for Augmenting Poor Benefices in the Diocese of Oxford was held this afternoon in the Sheldonian Theatre—the Bishop of Oxford in the chair. The attendance, which was very large, included the Right Hon. E. Cardwell, M P. ; the Right Hon. B. Disraeli, M.P.; r W. Walter, M.P.; Mr Hubbard, M.P.; Co!onel Nadi:, M.P. ; Mr Beresford Hope, the Vice-Chan cellor, and several other leading members of the university. The Right Rev. CHAIRMAN, in openicg the pro ceedings, said that the object of the meeting was to move the diocese and the friends of the Church gene rally to assist in amending the small endowments in the diocese. His lordship entered into a variety of statistic s for the purpose of showing that, min if all the livings were lumped together', and then dia vided, they would not produce more than £270 a-year to each. It could not be expected that a clergyman of the Church of England, educated as a gentleman, with gentlemanly feelings, cculd main tain his position, educate his family, and perform the functions appertaining to his office with the small amount which he received for his labours, and he trusted that such an effort would now be made as would place him in a much better position. (Cheers.) Mr WALTER, MX., moved the first resolution— " That the very small endowment of so many small livings throughout the country is injurious to the best interests of the Church, and a reproach to the wealth and civilisation of the age." Mr 11. BARRETT seconded the motion, which was approved of. Mr CARDWELL, who was most cordially received, said—My Lord Bishop and gentlemen, 1 have very great pleasure in moving the resolution which has been placed in my hand, for I think that no object of public benevolence for which you could have assembled the clergy and laity of this diocese could possibly be higher in its character or more practical in its scope and object than that for which we are met together this day. (Cheers.) The position of the parochial clergy must ever be an object of primary interest to a Chris tian land. (Hear, hear.) It would not become me as a layman to speak of that which is their highest attribute, their special character, their sacred calls . ing. As a layman, I would rather speak of those great services to the moral and social welfare of the monarchy in which it is permitted to us, the laity, to participate with them. We know them as the friends and companions of the rich, but to the poor they are the guides and the advisers in every season of adversity. (Cheers.) They are the link which unites the different classes of sooiety together and they are the welcome channel through which flews the stream of kindliness to the poor which mitigates their privations, and which ensures their comforts. Nor are these, the humblest duties of their calling, any part of their high religious voca tion. In the eloquent work which one of the most eloquent of Frenchmen, M. Guizot, wrote on the characteristics of the present age, when speaking of the unceasing efforts of the rich to promote the welfare of the poor, and the confidence of the poor in the kindliness and benevolence of the rich, he wound up with the eloquent words, "These are the virtues of Christianity, faith, and charity and hope." And now I appeal to my brother laymen whether, in undertaking any case of social improvement they do not feel that their success de pends in a very great degree upon their enlisting the aid and assistance of the clergy. Take, for in stance, the building of a school. The landlord may raise the material edifice. He may pay the stipend of the master, he may invite the scholars to attend, but in 99 cases out of every 100 the teaching is superintended by the clergyman. It is he who gives to the establishment its vitality and its animating Power: (Cheers.) And so, if you pursue him through every work of real usefulness—it you examine the attempt to build dwellings for the labourers, or to raise societies for the promotion of their temporal or their fu•ure welfare, in every one of these cases we may labour as we will, but we always rely in a very great degree upon the support and assistance of the clergy. (enure.) Ido not think it would ho too much to say that, in the warfare which we are now actuary waging against all those evils that oppress the lower classes o: society, we, the laity, are the volunteers, but the clergy deserve to be considered as the regular army. (Cheers.) It hes been said that within the last 50 years the greatest improvement has taken place in the ma terial prosperity of the country. When the eovereigne of Europe visited this country, and were received with a magnificent demonstration in the hall in which we arc now assembled, one of them made a remark which is very agreeable to the na tional vanity—so much so that it has been remem bered ever since. He said, "England is a country in which I could see no poor." New, if that same observer could have stood here to-day, he would have learnt that although in England there are poor, yet such has been the change during 50 years that have passed that the England of this day is as superior to that of 1814 as the England of 1814 was superior to the country with which he compared it. (Cheers.) There has been an increase of material prosperity with respect to which no country can be compared with our own. It has been widely dis tributed—it has been spread over all classes. The rich have become richer—the poor have become leas poor. But lam afraid there is one class of the community who have not participated and taken their fair share in the great increase of material prosperity. Greatly as the parochial clergy contri buts to the distribution of these blessings, I am efraid their participation in them has not been re latively what it ought to have been. (Hear, hear.) Thirty years ego much was said about building churches, and large sums of money were expnded for that purpose. Very recently much was said about the churches of parishes. Sir Robert Peel and the noble duke whose absence we regret to dey, passed useful measures for the division of paiislles. In church building and the division of parishes much has been done. Lord Derby, I should think at a great sacrifice to himself, divided the richest living in the country—the most valuable piece of ecclesiastical patronage of that description. What remains to be done is to increase the endow ments. Much has been done in that direction, but still mere remains to be done. Allusion has been made to gentlemen who have contributed large sums towards the increase of those endowments. Refer ence has been made to the measure which passed in the last session, on the motion of the Lord Chan cellor, for the improvement of the poor livings of the Crown. Bat, R hilst exigency on the one hand increases, and the material wealth and prosperity of the country increases on the other, these two ehould be brought together, and the contributions from assemblies like this should be poured in to meet the wants of the times is which we live. It was an old remark and a very true one, that a house going clergy makes a church-going people. Bat if you are to have a house-going clergy, it is not the clergyman alone whose visits are beneficial and his to the peopl e . Th e v i s i ts o f t h e l a di es e is family are most highly appreciated, and are still more advantageous and beneficial than his own. Bat if you ax e to enable him to make these visits, you must enable him to maintain a family, and to obtain for th e sons and daughters of that famil yednottion which is worthy of the children of a sch an o lar and a gentleman. (Loud cheers.) Reference has been made to another topic on which I will ve li g htly touch. We cannot saf e l y afford to have the a education of our clergy and the mental power of I am not a l armed at what I our clergy reduced. see around me in the temper of the present age . I telit e there is a deeper and more sincere convic- lion bro,d in this age than in former ages, btitTi am sure of this, that we do not live in times when the citadel of truth should be defended by feeble hands ; and if arms of precision are brought to bear upon the fortress, we should have a garrison within not untrained in the art of defence. (C leers.) Over the surface of the globe, wherever British enter prise can penetrate—and that means wherever the sun shines, wherever land exists and waters roll, the British name is spread—and wherever the Bri• tish name is found the English Church is domiciled. (Cheers.) But I wish to as you whether, when great sums of money are wisely and worthily ex, pended in sending bishops and missionaries to the remotest corners of the globe, it is hotion - able that h -re in Oxford—in the very centre of tee English Church—there should any longer be su a want to supply as that which notv exists ? I am sure this great meeting will not separate x hour, doing something effectual to meet the exigenc'es which have been placed before them. (Cheers.) I will now move—" That this meeting trusts that the diocese of Oxford will not be behindhand in remedying this evil, and pledges itself to the endeavour." (l'he right hon. gentleman resumed his seat amidst loud cheering.) Mr DISRAELI then rose to second the motion, and wts received with several rounds of enthusi astic cheering. Tne right hon. gentleman said—My Lord Bishop, I can heartily second the motion that has been made by my right hon. friend, because it expresses only a feeling and a re solution which in that part of the diocese with which I am more immediately connected, and which, in a certain sense, I mey say I reptesent to-day, I have exerted myself to the utmost in order to find there a response which should carry into Effect the reso lution which my right hon. friend has moved. I must say, however, that though some degree of sympathy has been found among some individuals, and sympathy has been expressed in a manner most energetic, the general result has not been in my opinion adequate to the greatness of the cause and to the character of those institutions which have been established in this diocese. It is a very diffi cult—perhaps I may say a more delicate than diffi cult—subject to touch upon ; but it appears to me that it is necessary that upon this matter we should have very clear ideas. Those diocesan institutions which are established in the diocese of Oxford, and not so fully and completely, but in some degree are also established in, I believe, all the dioceses of England, in fact sustain, or rather would sustain and complete the parochial system of this country; and their object is to adapt the machinery of the Church to the ever fluctuating circumstances in the condition of the nation. There are two reasons why I think these institutions have not yet received in this country that support which sometimes I flatter myself I foresee they will acquire. In the first place it must be remembered that those institutions are of a novel character. They have, conparatively speaks ing, only been recently established in this country ; and in the next place—and that ie a much more important consideration—it is a matter on which it is very requisite that we should have a clear cone ception. Those diocesan institutions have been established in England during a period in which the Church has been, with reference to the State, in a condition of transition. Now, some 40 years ago or less a very great change took place in the consti tution of this country ; it was, in fact, a revolu tion. But when the principle of religious liberty was adopted as a principle of the political consti tution of the country, an effect was produced im mediately upon the position of the Church. That party who are opposed to the Church in this country—and we cannot flatter ourselves that there ever will be a period in a country like England when there will not be an anti-Church party—that party, very naturally and very reasonably, of course for the object of advancing their views, called public attention to the anomaly which the Church in this country presented the moment the political constitution had adopted the principle of religious liberty. Until that change the Parliament of England had been a lay synod, and they naturally said, "If you have a Legislature composed of those who are not in the communion of the Church your boasted union between Church and State must, of course, expire, and the fall cf the Church is at hand." Now if, under these circum stances, we had only to meet the natural oppo nents of the Church, I think the position of the Church would not have been one of difficulty ; but unfortunately some of the best friends of the Church—men who for their elevated character, their sincere principles, and their learning and devotion, could not for a moment be looked upon with an Rye other than friendly by the Church and by Ciaurchm - n—were so alarmed by what they con sidered must be the logical consequences of that revolution, that, although for a perfectly distinct . oj:ct and far a contrary purpose, they counsell,d the same policy as the anti-Ceurch par :y itself and the diezolution of Church and State. An alarming opinion was promulgated and looked upon with favour by those whcm Churchmen knew sympa thised with them entirely in all the great objects for which a Church is instituted. The consequence of this state of cfliirs was a condition of great perplexity among Churchmen—great timidity , great apparent inconsistency of conduce sometimes apathy, because they did not know to what object to devote their energies; sometimes perhaps a fantastic though natural action ; but the practical result was that there was no longer a cordial co-operation among all claeaes of Churchmen for those ebj , cts in which the interests of the Church were concerned ; and all those diocesan societies so admirably adan'ed to the wants of the Church, and which would in their practice, as well as in theie theory, have completed the parochial system of this count r y, were l aunc h e d at a ti me when cordial co-operation between Churchmen, for the reason I have alleged, was really impossible; and that is one of the main reasons why that support has not been received by those institutions which they might have counted upon. But during this period, and especially during the last 30 years, when this principle of religious liberty which was adopted some time before—a principle which I am sure no Churchman now wishes to disturb or distrust—dur• ing this period, when this principle was developed and carried to its completeness, a paralysis \ - 7,1s thrown upon the mild acion of Churchmen. But then this remarkable eircumetance happened, which ind...:ed has happened before in this country, that the qatstion of Church and State had been so dis eassed by the nation generally, had been so de liberated upon, had been so considered and pondered over, that the nation arrived at a result which may not have been as logical as the result of the anti- Church party, or of our alarmed friends, but which was a solution, like all solutions of great questions in England, not perhaps logical but essentially practical—the country came to the determination that the union of Church and State is perfectly con sistent with the existence and complete development of the principle of religious liberty. (Cheers.) Now all the paints that were urged then during the period of transition to which I have referred have been considered and solved by the country. Men who are of very temperate opinions, representing, 1 believe, the general opinion of this country, have considered that if you logically terminated the con nection between Church and State, it was not pro beble, for example, that in this age and in this coun try an imperium in imperio could be tolerated by the State. They saw it was most improbable that the Church, if the alliance were terminated, wouhrl be allowed to remain in the possession of its consider able property and great privileges. They kniw very well that the Government of this country, knowing the importance of the religious principle as one of the elements of governing mankind, would never allow it to run waste and wild in society. They foresaw that that would happen in this country which had happened in other countries where the alliance between Church and State has been terminated, or churches have been confiscated or plandered, namely, that the process of ministers of all religions being salaried by the State would take place; arid therewas a general feeling in this country that if that del occur, there would be some thing besides religious truth that might be endan gered, and that political liberty itself would be im perilled. (Loud c'eeers.) The country,. therefore, at that rwell discussing the question f or yellers, arrived a i i practical conc l us i on . Well, there was another ssbl e point. that t. the lt ch h h ad rch be c e o n ul h d e l l o d ng t e h r at ex it is w t was s this ienpo country in consequence of the great spread of dis sent. B u t during. this period of transition we fell upon a statistical age, Statistics were studied by the nation, and it wa discovered that there had not been a spread of dissent • dissent had di m inished — true re tha ht,.on the contrary, religious dissent I am speaking of—that the descendants of the old Puri- ' tan families, of whom I shall always speak with the respect which their high qualities and historical character deserve,were almost merged in the Church, and that on the plea of a spread of dissent there was in fact no reason for supposing that the Church should not be maintained in its original constitu tional position. (dear, hear.) There was another very important point which occupied the attention of the country, that being the question which was placed so prominently by the anti-Church party before the country generally, namely, the contrast of the Church with those millions of the population who had either escaped its influence or certainly were not in communion with it. But the reault of deliberating over that startling condition of affairs was this—the country come to a conclusion exactly the reverseof that which the opponents of the Church wished to instil into the public mind. For, knowing the religious character of the people of England, it was argued that if there are millions who are not in communion with the National Church, because they never had the opportunity of being connected with it; if that is the case, it is our duty to provide and support a machinery which, when the oppor tunity offers, will be able to deal with this popula tion, and, iu fact, instruct them in those great truths in respect of which their tuition has been neglected. It so happened, therefore, that the country itself solved the question in a manner which may not have been logical, but was essentially practical. (Cheers.) And while the anti-Church party and a considerable and most respectable section of Church men were discussing whether it was not prudent to terminate the alliance between Church and State, the period of transition passed, because the Ration itself had come to the determination that the union between Church and State should be supported. I may take this to be the truth, that it arrived at that result some three years ago, after many years' dis cussion, as is the custom in England when great ' principles of policy are at stake, and I believe that I that is the secret reason and the real cause of the change which has taken place in Parliament upon the subject of church rates. (Hear.) That subject of church rates is a matter no doubt of groat im portance ; when we consider that in the Parliament which voted their abolition by a large majority, in the course of a very few years there was a majority in their favour, it can only be accounted for by this cause, that the country having determined to sup port the ❑nion between Church and State, having determined that the constitution should not -be changed, and that practically its establishment was consistent with the full development of religious liberty, the country seized upon that question by which to impress upon Parliament that it had re• solved that that change should not take place. The consequence of this state of affairs was very im portant, because 30 or 40 years ago there was an alternative for the Church, and it might have been open to the Church to abdicate its nationality or to assert it, but there was no middle course. (Hear, hear.) The country has resolved that its nationality shall not be abdicated, and the con sequence is that the Church must assert that nationality._ (Lour] cheers.) And, my lord, I re member, I think some three years ago, at a meeting of one of the diocesan societies where I had the honour of addressing you—l am not sure that it was not this very society—l ventured very briefly to point out the measures by which I thought that nationality of the Church might be asserted, prac tically asserted—and although I would not now enter into any details on that subject, I will notice them briefly, because it will complete the position from which I wish to draw some inference to affect the opinion of the meeting of to-day. I said then I thought there were five modes by which the na tionality of our Church should be asserted, and it being not only a duty bat a necessity that that nationality should be asserted. Can it be asserted in a practical manner ? That is the question. I said then that there were five measures by which I thought that practically that nationality could be asserted. I said, iu the first place, with regard to the question of education. 1 hold that it is of the utmost importance that the Church should not in any way compromise that legitimate position which it occupies now with reference to the question of education—a position which the Church has ob tained by national circumstances, and which is sanctioned by law. (Loud cheers.) Secondly, I thought another practical measure for asserting its nationality was to support, not a wild and extrava gent plan, but a terep:,,rate and moderate plan far the extension of tlte episcopate. (Renewed up piano.) The third measure was, teat in all ecie eiaslical matters which were not of a strictly spiritual nature the assistance of the laity should be called into co operation with the elergy—(hear, hear)—in order that we should erase from the public mind that vulgar, but pernicious error that the Caureh is an eeclzeiasticalco/poration. (Cheers) The fourth measure which I then ventured to say should be adopted was to assert the rights and the duties 01 Churchmen as they exist in our parochial constitu tion, and which are secured to them by law. And the fifth measure which I then impressed upon the as sembled diocese was to support end uphold those diocesan institutions to support one of which we are met this day. Nov, in my opinion, these were measures temperate in conception, practical in exe cution, and if they were carried—and I believe they might be carried—for they are thoroughly adapted to the temper of the times, would add amazingly to the efficiency (Atha Church. As lam upon that subject I will venture to say also that there ate three other measures which I think ought now to engage the attention of Churchmen. The first is, that we should in every possible manner favour the formation of Convocation on a broader basis, and with a fuller representation of the paro chial clergy. (Loud cheers.) I: is not necessary ❑or convenient to enter into details on such a subject now; but I would just intimate that if the two provinces were united the basic. would be much broader, end that at this moment in the province of York the parochial clergy are more fu , ly repre- Kri , ed than they are in the province of Canterbury. I think there is something ridiculous in the fact that in the bishopric of London, for example, where there are a thousand clergy, they are re presented in Convocation by two parochial clergy men on;y. (Hear, hear.) Toe naet measure is one which I may induce my right hon. friend (Mr Cardwell) to undertake—and that is to place the relations of our Colonial Church, which remember is not an established Church, in a more satisfactory condition than they are at present. (Hear, hear.) And the last measure—in my mind a paramount one—is the formation of some tribunal of last appeal in spiritual matters. (Loud and continued plau dits.) It appears to me that the circumstances of the day imperatively demand this. I know the difficulty—l know the delicacy of the question. Still, after giving it that consideration which its importance deserves, I am apt to believe that diffi culties may be overcome, and the moat delicate cir cumstances connected with it may be treated in a happy manner. I do believe that, with that due and necessary full consideration of the principle of the royal supremacy, which I trust may never be lost sight of for an instant, it is possible to re■ concile the requirements of the State with the conscience of the Church. (Cheers.) Now allow me to repeat what on a previous occasion, some years ago, I had the honour of mentioning to you that the object of this measure is to restore the Church to its natural and, I may say, original effi• ciency, by means which I think are essentially practical, and which are in tone and in harmony with the spirit of the age in which we live ; and 1 cannot but believe that, with cordial co.operation— or rather, I would say I could not but believe, that with cordial co•operatioa among Churchmen—these eight measures might be carried. My lord, they form a Church policy perfectly complete, perfectly practical, and perfectly efficient. I see no argument that can fairly be urged against them, and it tap- pears to me that if these eight objects were attained She Church in this country world occupy a position of great influence and salutary power which it has I not for a long period fulfilled and occupied. tiheers.) Well, my lord, I had hoped that when I should have the honour of addressing you agnin on matters connected with these societies I might have been able to congratulate you that the inconsistency, and timidity, and perplexity which have paralysed the fortunes of Churchmen for so many years would have entirely disappeared. I did think that cordial co-operation might have been expected from all classes of Churchmen after the significant manner in which the country decided that no disunion be , tween the Church and State should take place, but that the old constitution of the country was con nected with the fulfilment of the principle of civil ' 1 and religious liberty. I thought that we might ! then have forgotten all our differences, and that , with open heart and united spirit we might have laboured with perseverance, with temper, with no expectation of precipitate success, but with the determination of men who really see a practical object before them; that we might have worked for the attainment of the measures which I have noticed to day, and which in my mind form a complete Church policy. But I am sorry to say that on the part of the diocese with which I am connected I still find that difficulties are in existence ; and although they are different from those which we have encountered before, they are cf a nature which paralyse in a great degree the efforts which would be made for the support of diocesan so cieties, and especially of this which we are gathered toge ther to support. My right hon. friend has himself touched with delicacy, but with clearness, upon the nature of those difficulties. We are now told that the Church is in a very difficult position, and that its condition is not satisfactory ; and these pleas are made the argument, and I have no doubt in many cases the conscientious ground, for not joining to gether and supporting associations like the present. Lut this I observe, in contrast with the difficulties that we bad to encounter three or four years ago, that the nature of the difficulty is of a perfectly different character. In old days, during the period of transition which I have sketched, the Church was accused of apathy, having no hold on the feel ings of the great mass of the population, of exercising little influence, and its fall was prophesied in consequence of those circumstances. But the tone has now changed. No one ea, cuses the church of not possessing influence. No one accuses the Church of.wanting power or intelligence. But they say it is still doomed, the Church must still fall, it is still in greater danger than ever, and that danger comes not from an anti-Church party, but from its own intestine dissensions and from the differences that exist in its own bosom. I am not here to deny, or, what is more, to regret the existence of parties in the Church. Parties in the Church have always existed. They existed in the Church at Jerusalem. They existed in the Church at Ephesus. They existed always in the Church at Rome. And it would be wonderful indeed, in a country like England, where party has always been recog nised as the most efficient and satisfactory way of regulating opinion and conducting public affairs, if party should not be found in the Church alone. My lord, what is party ? Party is organised opinion; and as long as the nature of man is of that various and varying character which we all know it is, so long will there be various and varying modes by which it will express itself,or by which it may be counsel led upon religious matters. There are some who are sustained by symbolical ceremonies, and feel that their soul is only ade - quately satisfied by ecclesiastical arrangements of that cha racter. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) There are others who can only be sustained by the ecstacy of spiritual enthusiasm but as long as they who counsel or pursue these modes meet on the common platform of the true, sound Church prin ciples—and I hold that the acknowledgment of the Church as the sacred depository of divine truth is a true Church principle-1 do not think that such a course of conduct is to be regretted; but on the whole I have no doubt that it has been extremely advantageous to the country and to the Church. And I believe that the two great parties in the Church have effected as great advantages in the Church as the two great parties in the constitution have achieved for public liberty and the good government of the country. (Hear, hear.) But there is yet another party to which I must for a moment refer, because, no doubt, the influence of that party upon that cordial co-operation of Churchmen by which alone these societies can be effectively supported is very great, and I cannot say that it is advantageous. Now, that is a party which is described by an epithet which I have observed that a distinguished prelate of the Church has used in a recent address to his clergy, but which appears to me to be an epithet that 1 should not use within these classic walls, for it has hardly as yet entered into the category of classical expressions. (Laughter.) It is an epithet, my lord, that would imply a particular degree of comprehension. (Hear, and another laugh) But, whilst fully acknowledging the great abilities, the great eloquence, and the great know ledge of the new Church party to which I am alluding,l mast say that there is this peculiarity about the comprehension which they attempt to accomplish. Hitherto there has been nothing new in a Church party aiming at the comprehensive —but then this has always happened,that thecomprehension which they have aimed at has been possible. (Hear, and a laugh.) They have always wished to include those who be lieved anything ; but the remarkable peculiarity of the com prehension of the party to which I now refer is this, that they seem to wish to include everybody who believes no thing. (Laughter.) Now, there is no doubt that the influ ence of the new party is very injurious to the society whose interests have called us together to-day—and if we attempt to get rid of the difficulty by avoiding to speak out, we in fact do not remedy our position, but the deleterious process from which we aro suffering goes on without any t fFurt on the part of our friends to oppose its evil consequences. The chairman having, as I think, successfully encountered the unsatisfactory condition of mind among Churchmen which was the cons( gre nee, and the long consequence, of the change in our constitution--having overcome that difliaulty, and Churchmen having it in their power, by the measures to which I have referred, to place by their cordial co-ope ration the Caureh in its proper position in this country, and establish these diocesan societies in full work and in - flaecce, I want, if toy friends will permit me, or care to hear my observations, to make a few rialilks upon the now diffi culty with which we have, to deal, for it would be unwise to real the existence and influence of this now party with con tempt, and consider whether the difficulties which no doubt exist are insuperable—whether we must yield to them, or whether we have a prospect of overcoming them. Now, this party is not founded upon the principle of authority— on which all Church parties hither to in this country, an d in all countries to some degree, have been founded. But it is founded singular prin c iple. It-is founded upon the principle of criticism. N o w, d ou bt i s an element of criticism, and the tendency of criticism is necessarily u pon a very sceptical. I use the epithet in a philosophical and not in a is quit e p oss ible, for example, th p a o t P a ua party or 0(-i i whichol9 is e n founded'e. I' upon the principle of criti cism may arrive at conclusions which may be monstrous. They easy, inspiration as a principle, and ey miraclesfi)r itesx4amPpir°a' reject practice. That is possible. And I conclusion, they s houl d repudiate creeds and reject arti cles so i f t faith, because logical,because that having arrived at that repudiate and articles of faith cannot exist or be sustained without acknow ledging the principle of inspiration and the practice of mi racles. (H ea r, hear.) All that I admit; but what Ido not understand, and what I wish to draw the attention of this assembly and of the country to is this—that having arrived at this conclusion — having arrived conscientiously at the conclusion that with these opinions such a party mug re pudiate creeds and reject articles, that they should not carry their principhs to their legitimate conclusion ; but that, re pudiating creeds a nd re jecting articles, they are still the su pporters of the ecclesiastical establi s hments—(loud cheers) —f er vent usholders of the dignit ar i es o f the Church—even of the rectors, vicars , and curates. (Laughter.) Now, this is a matter of most serious importance, not merely for us to consider as Churchmen, but for the country generally to consider, whatever may be its opinion on forms of faith — fur the position tslaY be very ethical. If it were true, as I am told it is, that the age of faith has passed, then the posi lien of having a hierarchy, a vast hierarchy, apparently supported by men of high cultivation, brilliant talents and eloquence, and perhaps scone ambition, with no distinctive opinion, might be a very harmless state of affairs, but it would not certainly be a very permanent one. But, then, my lord, instead of believing that the age of faith has passed, when I observe what is passing aroun d me—what is taking place in this country, and n o t on ly i n this country, but in other countries and hemisphere s —instead of believing that the age of faith has pa sse d , I h o ld t h a t the characteristic of the present age is a craving credulity. (Laughter.) Why, conviction o f countless generations to my lord, man is a b e i ng born to believe. (Cheers.) And it you do not come f orwar d — i f no C h urc h come s forward with its title deeds of t rut h , susta i ne d b y th e traditions of Bevel. ral ages, and by th e guide him, he will f orm altars an d id o ls in his own heart and his own im ag i nat i on, (Ch e ers.) But observe this. What must be the relations of a powerful Church, without distinctive creeds, with a being of that nature ? Why, of course, the great principle of political economy will be observed. Where there is a great demand there will be a proportionate supply ; and commencing, es the new school may, by rejecting the principle of inspiration, it will end by every priest being a prophet—and beginning as they do by repudiating the practice of miracles before long, rest assured, we shall be living in a flattering scene of spiritual phantasmagoria: (Cheers and laughter.) There are no tenets, however:extravagant, and no practices, however objectionable, which will not in time develop, under such a state of affairs —opinions the most absurd, and ceremonies the most revolting. Qualia, demeus lEgyptus portenta colet," Perhaps to he followed by the incantation of Canidia and the Corpbanthian howl. (Great cheering and laughter.) But consider the country in which all this may take place. Dangerous in all countries, it would be yet more dangerous in England. Our empire is now unrivalled for its extent— but the base, the tnater!al base, of that empire is by means equal to the colossal superstructure. It is not our iron ships. It is not our celebrated regiments, It is not these things which have created, or indeed really maintain our empire. It is the character of the people. (Much applause,) And I want to know where that, famous character of the English people will be if they are to be _ofluenced and guided by a Church of immense talent and great wealth and power with out any distinctive creed. (Hear, hear.) You have in this country accumulated wealth that probably never has been Equalled, and probably it will still increase. You have a luxury that will some day probably rival even your wealth; and the union of such circumstances with a Church with out a distinctive creed will lead, I believe, to a dissoluteness of manners and of morals that has been seldom equalled in the history of man, but which furnishes the tombs of em pires. (Cheers.) There is another point in connection with this subject which I cannot help noticing on the present oc casion. It is the common blunder—the common cry—that ar ticles of faithtnd religious creeds aro the arms of the clergy, end are used to tyrannise over the lend. They are exactly the reverse. The preci e creed and the strict article are the title deeds of the laity to the religion which has de. scended to them. (Hear, hear.) And whenever these ques tions have been brought before Parliament, I have always opposed alterations of creeds, articles, and subscriptions on this broad principle—that the security and certainty which they furnish are the special privileges of 1 he laity, and that you cannot tell in what position the laity will be if that security is withdrawn. (Cheers.) I must apologise for having touched upon this subject; but it appears to me—l know it from my own experience—to be one vitally con nected with the subject that has called us here to-day, because the opinions of the new school are paralysing the efforts of many who ought to be our friends. Before I con clude I cannot but ask myself this question. Will these opinions succeed ? Is there a possibility of their success ? My conviction is that they will fail. (Cheers.) Ido per fect justice to the great talent, the great knowledge, and the considerable information which the new party command; but I believe they will fail—for two reasons. In the first place, having exan fined all their writings—l believe with out any exception—whether they consist of fascinating eloquence, diversified learning, or picturesque sensibility— (laughter)—l speak seriously what I feel—and that too exercised by one honoured in this University, and whom to know is to admire and regard , or whether you find them in the etude conclusions of prelates who appear to me to have commenced their theological studies after they grasped the crozier —(loud cheers and laughter)—and who intro duce to society their obsolete discoveries with the startling wonder and the frank ingeniousness of their own savages —(great laughter and cheers)—or whether I read the lucu brations of nebulous professors—(laughter)—who appear in their style to have revived chaos—(loud cheers)—and who, if they could only succeed in obtaining a perpetual study of their writings, would go far to realise that eternal punish ment to which they object. (Cheers.) Lastly, whether it be the provincial arrogance and precipitate self-compla cency which dash and glare in an essay or review —(cheers, laughter, and a hiss)—l find that the common charac teristic in all their writings is this, that their learn ing is always second-hand. (Cheers, laughter, and slight hisses, followed by immense cheering.) I do not say that because learning is second-hand it may not be sound, or that knowledge because it is second-hand may not be true. But this I do say, without any fear of denial from any man competent to give an opinion upon the sub jeet—(laughter)--that there is something in original re search so invigorating to the intellect, and which so braces and disciplines the human mind, that those who have un , dergone the process arrive at their conclusions with great caution and with great circumspection ; but when a man of brilliant imagination has to deal with a vast quantity of facts which have been furnished by the labours of others, he is taunted too often to generalise with a fatal facility, and often arrives at conclusions which in time he not only repudiates but often has to refute. (Cheers.) In the second place, when I examine those who have been the masters of the new school in this learning, men who undoubtedly have gone through the process of original research, and have not found their equals for learning and perseverance and erudite assiduity for many generations—the great scholars of Ger many —I find this in their labours. Doing full justice to their qualities I find this in their labours, that there is really nothing new. (Laughter and cheers.) I will admit their great qualities; as Hebraists they are equal to the great scholars who fl rurished at the end of the 17th century. In their knowledge of the comic Benr!tic dialect they are infi nitely superior, in the new theory, or science of language, as it is justly called, they have of course an advantage which the old scholars have not shared with them, because it is a science that has only been developed in our own time. But this I do say, that in all important conclusions from the alleged materials of the Book of Genesis down to the forma tion of the canon, and in every important event, historical, literary, and spiritual, that occurred in that long interval, they have been anticipated by the great llebrew scholars who 11 urished in the 18th century. (Cheers,) I know it may be said, and they have said it, that the suggestions of Astruc or the investigations of Father Simon were known only to those who like Item lived in their cells and their col- loges ; but this is a vulgar and delusive error. The discove • ries of those men, unrivalled for learning in the age in which they flourished, formed the mind and inspired the labours of the two greatest bodies of intellectual beings that have existed certainly since the Greek philosophers, and who were superior to the schoolmen—the freethinkers of Eng. land and the philosophers of Franco. Therefore, the con clusions of these great men—these great scholars—were placed before the public mind. All that inexorable logic, all that irresistible rhetoric, all that the most bewildering wits could avail themselves of to popularise those views, were placed before the minds of the two leading nations of Europe —the people of England and the people of France. And they produced their effect. The greatest of revolutions was, I will not say, occasioned by these opinions, but no one can deny that the promulgation of those opinions largely con tributed to that great revolution popularly called the French Revolution, which has not yet ended, and which is certainly the greatest event that ever happened in the history of man. Only the fall of the Roman empire can bo compared to it; but that was going on for centuries, and so gradually, that it cannot for one moment be held to have pawelf ully or injuriously influenced the opinion of the world. Nuw, what happened ? Look at the age in which we live, and the time when thLse opinions were successfully promulgated by men who, I am sure, with no intention to disparage the new party, I may venture to say were not unequal to them. Loc. , k at the Europe of the present day and the Europe of 100 years ago. It is not the same Europe. Its very form is changed. Whole nations and great nations which then flourished are no longer fouad. There is not a political consti.. tution in Europe existing at the present time which then existed. The leading community of the continent of Europe has changed all its landmarks, altered its boundaries, erased its local names—the whole jurisprudence of Europa has been altered—even the tenure of land, which of all human institu tions most affects the character of man, has been altered—the feudal system has been abolished. Not merely laws have been changed, not merely manners have been changed, but customs have been changed. And what happened ? When the turbulence was over—when the shout of triumph and the wail of agony were alike stilled—when. as it ware, the waters had disappeared, the sacred heights of Sinai and of Calvary were again revealed, and amid the wreck of thrones and tribunals, of extinct nations and abolished laws, man kind bowed again before the Divine truth that had been by the omnipotent power of His ineffable wisdom entrusted to the custody of and promulgation by a chosen people. (Loud cheers.) Well then, because all their views are second hand and nct new; because they have been already placed before the mind of man with a power and spirit that it is in vain to expect will be again equalled ; because, after so many sor rows and purified by so much suffering, mankind have re- jected this new learning which is bolstered up for our edifi. cation. I believe that the effects of this new school, power ful as they are and influential at this moment, and most injurious in these diocesan societies, will fail. (Cheers ) Before sitting down there is only one other point I will touch upon in reference to them. We are told every day that all I may have feebly expressed to you may be true; but at the same time there is a characteristic of the present age which never existed in preceding ages, and which must be ruinous and destructive to the Church and to all religious establish ments, and Mat is the progress of science. the teachings of science and its discoveries are no`, we are told, consistent with the teachings of the Church. Now lam sure there is not one in this theatre who is not prepared to do full justice to the merits of scientific men, and who does not fully ap preciate those discoveries of science which have added so much to the convenience of life and the comfort of man. Bat it is of great importance when this tattle about science is mentioned that we should annex to it precise ideas. I hold that the highest function of the service is the inter pretation of nature, and the interpretation of the highest nature is the highest science. What is the highest nature ? Man is the highest nature. But I must say that when you compare the interpretation of the highest nature with the most advanced, the most fashionable and modish school of modern science—compare that with some other teachings with which we are familiar—l am not prepared to say that a lecture room is more scientific than the Church. (Cheers.) What is the question now placed before the society with a glib assurance the most astounding P The question is this —is a man an ape or an angel ? (Loud laughter,) My lord, lam on the side of the angel. (Laughter and cheers.) I repudiate with indignation and abhorrence those views. (Cheers.) I believe they are foreign to the conscience of humanity, and I will say more, that even in the strictest intellectual point of view,l believe the severest metaphysi cal analysis is opposed to that conclusion. But, on the other hand, what does the Church teach us ? What is its interpretation of this highest nature ? It teaches us that man is made in the image of his Creator— a course of in spiration, of solace ; a source from which can flow only and only every right principle of morals and every Divine truth. (Cheers.) I say therefore that when we are told that the teachings of the Church are not consistent with the disco veries of science, and that in that sense the inferiority of the Church is shown, I totally deny the proposition. (Cheers.) I say that the scientific teaching of the Church upon the most important of all subjects is, in fact, infinitely superior to anything that has been brought forward by any of those new discoveries. (Cheers.) In fact, it is between those two principles that society will have to decide. Upon our acceptance of that Divine truth of which the Church is the guardian all sound and coherent and sensible legislation depends. It is the only security for civilisation. It is the only guarantee of real progress. (Hear, hear.) Now, it is to promote, to foster, and to extend in this country, but mainly, of course, to pay in this diocese, the teaching of the Church that we are assembled here. Let us, if we can, carry out in spioit the resolution which has been moved by my right hon. friend. Let us act at least with united energy, with that cordial co-operation which, if Churchmen share, they will carry everything before them ; and the dis carding, as we have successfully discarded, all the attempts which for some time appeared to paralyse our efforts and circulate distrust amongst us from those who are the oppo nents of the Church and the Church principles. Let us equally discard those new-fangled ideas of this new party in the Church, which have extended only because persons are always captivated with a novelty, but which I think, as I have shown, is not extremely new; and let us by our united efforts support those measures to which I adverted at the commencement of my observations, and especially the actions of these diocesan institutions. (The right hon. gentleman here resumed his seat amidst vehement and protracted cheers.) The resolution was then put and agreed to. The oubloriptiou to the fund Amounted to upwards of THE LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, INOVEMBER 2G, 1564, £5OO, and included £lOO from Mr Hubbard, M.P,, t:5O from Mr Cardwell, £2.0 from the Vice-Chancellor of the Univer sity, £lOO (in four yearly instalments) from Mrs White, £2O from Mr Walter, and numerous other sums of various amLunts. Railway and other Companies. GREAT NORTHERN. This company has given notice of intended appli cation to Parliament in the ensuing session for a line from the Wood green station, passing through Southgate, Winchmore-hill, Enfield, Berkbamp stead, Cheshunt, Bishop's Hatfield, Bayford, to the Hertford, Luton, and D unstable Railway at Hert ford, and a short spur in Hertingfordbury ; also a line from the Hornsey station to the new line near the boundary between the parishes of Edmonton and Tottenham, and a line to IYgsw ell at a point one furlong south of the Welwyn viaduct. Another notice to apply for power to vest in the Great Northern and Manchester, Sheffield, and Lincoln , . shire Companies the undertakings of the S-,uckport and Woodley Junction, and the Stockport, Tim perly, and Altrinchani Junction, the Cheshire Mid land, and the West Cheshire Railway Companies to construct a line from the Cutshire Midland at Great Bud worth to the rock pits at Marston, a line wholly in the parish of Groat Budworth to the salt works, and also a branch. Another notice of intended ap plication for power to make junction lines at Newark, Spalding, Essendine, and Barkatone, and a branch near Bradford. It is further proposed that the Great Northern Company on the one hand, and the Leeds, Bradford, and Halifax, and the Lance shire and Yorkshire on the other hand, should be enabled from time to time to enter into agreements for the working, use, managements, &c., of the Bradford branches ; to authorise the company to contribute towards the cost of the Liverpool central station ; and to authorise the amalgamation of the company with the Leeds, Bradford, and Halifax Junction ; also to make a line from the Sleaford station to the Bourn and Essendine, at Bourn. HUDSON'S BAY. The report of the committee of this company states their intention of paying in January next a dividend of Bs. per there on the juint stock of the company, in anticipation of the result of the year's business, which cannot be ascertained until the 31st of May next, when the accounts will be made up. The lands belonging to the company in Vancouver's Island and in British Columbia and those in which it is interested will, no doubt, become a source of increased profit on account of the recent discoveries of fresh gold mines in these colonies, but the committee were scarcely in a position to turn them to the best account until all the questions connected with Vancouver's Island shall have been finally closed in legal form, and the arrangements with her Majesty's Government can be brought to an end. Another large item in the miscellaneous aggregate of property consists in the claim against the Government of the United States about to be arbitrated at Washington. The com missioners on both sides are probably at the present moment at Washington, and chief factor Dugald Mactavish has been sent to afford them the assist. anco of his local knowledge in arriving at the true value to be put upon the property affected by the Oregon treaty and the Convention of July, 1863. With regard to the construction of as electric tele graph from Red River across the company's terri tory through British Columbia to New Westmin ster, the report states that although the country between Red River and the Rocky Mountains was well-known to the officers of the company the com mittee thought it prudent to despatch Dr. Rae with an assistant for the purpose of examining and reporting on the best line for crossing the territory and traversing the Rocky Mountains between Fort Edmonton and the head waters of the Fraser River. Dr. Rae's report may be expected at any moment, and in the meantime a portion of the telegraphic wire and insulators are actually on the Mississippi, waiting only for the spring, to bo sent up to Red River. Two other portions of the wire have been sent by sea to Victoria and York Factory respectively, as being at those points nearer their destination than they would be if sent. through Canada and the United States. The warm thanks of the Hudson's Bty Company are due to the Grand Trunk Railway of Car....da for the liberal manner in which they have assisted in the transport of the wire sent over their line, free of cost, and for their general aid to this enterprise. Telegraphic communicltion from the Pacific to the Atlantic across British territory must be au object of the utmost importance, and the committee have no doubt, there ore, that in itself this enterprise will ultimately prove advantageous to the company. The dividend is 3s. more than it was this time last year. Railway Traffic Returns for the Week. Mlles Opened. Receipts. Railways. 1864. 1863. 1864. 1863. Belfast and N. Counties 136 136 2,001 1.964 Belfast and Comity Down 49 49 710 631 Blyth and Tyne 2B 28 2,431 1,990 Bristol and Exeter l2ll 1214 5,926 5,596 Caledonian Cambrian _. dockermouth& Workington 81 - 81 335 329 Cork and Bandon 2O 20 321 385 Cork, Blackrock, & Passage 6l 61 117 140 Cork and Youghal 321 321 379 365 Cornwall 654 651 1,226 1.235 Deeside l7 17 2)2 2.8 Dublin & Belfast Junction 63 63 1,377 1.370 Dublin and Drogheda 75 75 1,580 1.6 4 Dublin and Meath Dub. &Wicklow and Wextd 9ll 911 2,252 2,091 Furness, &c 5O 5:1 3,363 2,771 Glasgow & South-Western Gt. Eastern,Nrik.,&E.Union 663 663 31,027 29,179 Great - Northern 387 853 36;2(.6 33,070 Great North of Scotland 5B 58 1,643 1,631 Gt. Northn. & Westn. (Irel.) 7ll 711 460 477 'lt.Southn. & Westn.(lrlnd.) 387 3734 6,692 7,658 Great Western 1222:, 1169 62,142 59,113 Hull and Hurnsea l3 - 91 Inverness & Aberdeen Juno ll7l 1061 1,358 1,181. Inverness & Perth Junction 1191 1191 1,533 1,3 0 0 Irish North-Western 145 145 1,772 1,49 ) Kent Coast 27 27 630 300 Lancashire & Yorkshire 403 401 33,792 34,340 Limerick and Ennis. Limerick and Foynes 261 261 147 131 Llanelly 461 461 6 5 655 Llynvl Valley London & North-Western London and Blackwall 5l 54 1,714 1,769 London & South-Western Lond. Brighton, &S. Coast 267/ 2611 17,079 16,024 London, Chatham, & Dover 721 721 6,832 4,800 Do. Metropolitan Extension 111 104 1,190 3,040 Lon., Tilbury, & Southend Man.. Sheffield, & Lincolnsh &ranch. S.Jun.&Altrincham 9l 91 1,206 1,219 Maryport and Carlisle 2B 28 1,776 1,4:8 Metropolitan 3l 31 2,2 2 1,89 u Midland (incl. N.-Western) 6514 641 45,748 41,623 Midland Gt.Westn. of Irind 262 2591 4,317 5,625 Monkland 7ll 714 1,6,2 1,661 Monmouthsh. Rail. & Canal 44 44 2,837 2.574 North British, Edin., Perth and Dundee N-Eastern and Stock. & DarL 1095 1095 58,866 51,504 North London 9 9 3,223 3,280 North Staffordshire 254 251 8,972 8,653 Rhymney l9l 191 959 955 Scottish Central Scottish North-Eastern l3B 138 4,:27 4.721 Somerset and Dorset 66 66 762 646 South Devon _7O _751 _3.232 _3,112 South-Eastern 3OB Taff Vale 67 18,9.)7 18,793 6,637 6,965 Ulster lO5l 105,1 2 . 033 2,367 Vale of Clwyd Vale of Neath 43s 43N 2,851 2.403 Waterford and Kilkenny 3l 31 410 283 Waterford and Limerick 77 77 1,454 1.216 West Cornwall 271 271 751 709 W.Hartlepool Harbr.Bzßall. W'haven,Cleator,& Egrmnt lO 10 oe3 637 Whitehaven Junction l3 13 1,103 957 Whitehaven & Furness Jun 35 35 1,004 883 FOREIGN AND COLONIAL. Austrian B2B 82,5 44,795 31,765 I Bahia and San Francisco Belgian Eastern Junction 261 26 380 319 Bombay, Baroda, & Cen. India 1851 185 1,873 2,100 Detroit and Milwaukie lB9 189 6,450 5,040 Dutch Rhenish lOBl 1081 5, 32 4,324 Eastern of France ll7O 1428 68,208 60,906 Eastern Bengal • • 110 110 1,607 1,388 East Indian Grand Trunk of Canada 1335 1335 21,010 23,625 Great Central of Belgium 220 220 5,€69 5,554 Great Indian Peninsula s'3 5381 10,365 5,025 Great Luxembourg 134 134 4,793 4,252 Great Southern of India Great Western of Canada 345 315 12,158 13,052 Madras Madrid, Saragossa SzAlicant 660 650 16,077 18,665 Northern of Canada Northern of France 697 697 59,283 67,869 Norwegian Trunk Ottoman Paris, Lyons, & Mcditerrn 1967 1785 134, 3 356 147,557 Paris and Orleans 1616 1614 70,565 69.395 Pernambuco _?74 77h 63d 454 _____ Scinde. 105 103 South Austrian Southern of France ..... ..... 823 770 :24,622 .7,388 Victoria Welland West Flanders 75 75 1,199 1,121 West &N- Wes tn of France 9oo 931 48,659 41,804 [ADVERTISEMENT.] -- Holloway's Pills.--Functional Disorders.—Who would be well must see that every organ of the body does its duty fully and fairly, which everyone may certainly insure by occasionally resorting to these Pills, or by taking a course of them, according to the printed directions folded round each box. Stomach, liver, kidneys, and bowels are all reached by their purifying and corrective powers; and any departure from their natural Action is strenuously resisted, and order and regularity en forced. Health may always be preserved by attentive obedience to Holloway's directions, and by using his medicine as advised by them. All obstructions will by this means be removed, the blood will be purified, and its free and faultless circulation established, Metropolitan Board of Mr] mit? The usual weekly meeting of this board was held 1— I, day, at the offices, in Spring-gardens. The Presidelit' 1 hwaites, Esq., took the chair at 12 O'Cir.Ck. FINANCE. toy The sash statement for tile current week sh°W" s general balance of £506927 13s 10d. TILE UTILISATION OF THE SEWAGE O F THE ETsoYoyW AND LORD R, MONTAGU. d Mr FREEMAN called the attention of the W ig ared evidence given before Lord Robert Montagu's Coln which it was stated that unfair means had NO u sev o , 131 their own engineer in the contract of the Thole° ,iittl ment for Mr Furness, although Mr Ridley offered to l deo work for a smaller amount. He moved that the e`tto and reported statement be referred to the Mats n Committee for consideration and report. Mr HEALEY seconded the motion. t k Mr D'IPPANGER said it was the common retest.- to t, board are in the dark as to what had taken p lace bat Dt their own engineer and Mr Furness, the contr actor,'" was surprised that a gontlem in like Lord Robert gtiel3ili. should, in the report which hal been presented, I°h self to so dishonourable a course. (Order.) W ell ' te at ' l l ' l would say, to a course so unfair, as ho felt assured L b and had done its duty, Mr SAMUDA said this question had already heelj inquired into, and he considered that it woul d De 11;00 but a waste of time to rake up this matter again b Y re • i llarl if it to a committee. He hoped Mr Freeman wou ld " •gi his motion. ll 'orl ° Mr H. L. TAYLOR said when he heard of this et thought it indiscreet and unwise, as it was ra nte ,, l e ltb e l, an admission that there was something wrong vi m ; , wished to holster up by referring it to a conirrill-to therefore he thought it would be wise to let th e alone, He moved the previous question. h B d Major LYON said that insinuations andscandals-i, circulated throughout the metropolis, through tl i t e gil er by gentlemen who take a prominent part in P tlu r''llf ir tons, and he was desirous of having the question 'tie d!' vestigated ; but he was opposed to the subject hettble cussed in committee by the board with closed dt none of the arguments could be heard, and a ll l7b-ter, knew of their proceedings would be the resultbe :00' arrived at. Let them open their doors, admit a s and the press, and then he would vote for the inejorr, Mr RICHARDSON said he had already expresso," nion upon this question,'and thought the board in i g P on the integrity of its proceedings. Mr PHILLIPS said if the public knew all the far {aN case there would be no nec:ssity whatever for se l l, 0 1( examination, but as they did not, a proper staternell' to he put before them. 0 16 Mr BIDGOOD was opposed-to the motion, and 138 ,, lig A i l " pared to justify the course he had taken, nit'l,h-00- might not always accord with the opinions o f - sent him. fa After some remarks from Mr Evans, Mr and Mr Legg, Mr NICHOLAY vindicated the evidence h e /1 : 11 0 1 , 1 1 before Lord R. Montagu's committee, and sa id -- 0 0 8 te" favour of a full inquiry into all the facts in ref ace s Odessa contract. b e for e ., Mr ROCHE said he had given evidence als e ,"A tosll R. Montagu's committee, but he was compel an order of the House of Commons, and until P o ° diO d ' he did not know what evidence he was to give' ,r„, a ,f ei give his evidence coached up, and no list of ques b ` — yrj to answer had been put before him, but he d ici ,, 6 : l ot r Ai o was on the report of Mr Bazalgette that Mr iti., - '01 1 0,,, was rejected. That statement he made before the — OOl and that statement he was prepared to vindiet The Odessa contract afterwards came up, and tm b - lio suspicion upon Mr Bazalgette's report in the 1 911 t1 , 00 , The secret of the Odessa contract was kept in breast, and he never even communicated it to tbensci trd of the board. He said, without fear of contradictOr4t the board had been in possession of the facts of et/ contract, Mr Furness would never have 064/ tract tract for the Thames Embankment. He had aP ,110 91 ;1 1 fore a committee of , the House of Commons, al10$) could appear before a committee of the b o arcl• A a on his trial before that committee, and he defel v- t os e l ? 1 ;0 4 in public, but ho would never go before a secret O w , j If this matter were to be investigated, let it b 3 ci f o eS 7 , the board when the light of day could be let in 1 7 8 for proceedings, but if it was to be done in secret shoulcne o attend thei meegs. till After a few t observations r from tin Mr Nvo y. DOULTON, The CHAIRMAN put the question, when th e flri . t o g , vt 4 on was put and carried by a majority of 22 to Iv, After the transaction of some routine bushi er° adjourned. COUNTRY MARKETS• LIVERPOOL—FRIDAY, f the We have bad about the usual attendance of fair i ° K, our corn Exchange this morn i ng, w i th a verb' rt at fully Tuesday's pri ces . I n Jur t h ere Wes , aa no change in va l ue . O ats an d oatmeal bUYs ßarley, beans, and peas al so ra th er easier to io Dle corn was freely offered, fine Danube being cb t '' to 266 3d per 1801 b, ex ship. if Ce t LINCOLN—FRIDAY. 03 81,0 There was an average show of wheat at ollt r id day,:and recent currencies rather receded. i ttio l t,o large show, and barely maintained former go; ,2°,; to ,f White wheat new, 40s to 436 Barley, Red do. 36s to 32s Oats, old, .. • "'. '' Old white 42s to 47s New d 0...... • I t o Red do.. 39s to 43s Beans. ....... ~0 ff Barley, malting 33s to 31s I Beans, new.• " BURTON. ON-TRENT—Tsult sP e l;c lB6l° . o A seasonable supply of wheat, and sales Wet „ ns , to l tt at the rates of this day week. 4i t rio Old white wheat..46s to 50s I Old red whea t / i New do. 44s to 47s I New do. Malting barley...32s to 36s I Oats .......... ',Si' Grinding d0.....27s to 29s I Beans ....... 'WAKEFIELD—FRIDAY. "..tigsls The wheat trade is quiet, and there is no 0 1 3 ;0 vious values; miners still buy sparingly to Doi at is cheaper. without tempting maltsters New beans fully as dear. 60 Averages for the weeß : 410 0 Wheat 1989 qrs., at ........ os l id Oats 34 ........ 3 10 A Barley.. Peas .. 31 Beans 228 lj ? STAMFORD—FRIDAT• t 0 4 19 A fair quantity of wheat on offer, which Ill re e sale, and transactions have been at fully ',(fe —White wheat, 41s to 43 8 ; red, 33 8 to 4 16 l o Barley, malting, 31s to 355; grinding, 2 ,.,i s gs,t ° Oats, 18s to 23s per 24 stone. B ean s, old, qr.; new, 36s to 3613. COAL AL Prices of Coal per Ton al .RKET. ,or P the close of til e - o d , Walls Hartlepool ....; East Hartlepo°ol,,,,',/ S ou th H a rtleP° ' Trimdon Grog' s. d. Bower's West Hartley 19 0 Cowpen Hartley 19 0 Walla End. Tanstall Ships at marks It, 21; 501d,',20, Foreign Mail Packet VA • • MAILS DUE. j) e Australia and Mauritius, via Southampton" . • 007 via Marseilles'..••• • ,..yt Brazil and Cape Verde, by British packsto:4 s oo9oP Cape of Good Hope, Ascension, and St. 1 1 volPse l klhina, Penang, and Singapore, via Southa4', via Manse ' , • ' f ,tov Falkland Islands ... •• ...... . Gibraltar, via Southampton ............. /• 40;, India (Calcutta), and Ceylon, vi a Southan4 via Marseill e6 ",,• • o o ) , India (Bombay), via Southampton ........ via Marseitles ............ ...• Portugal.... ............................. • .,.• ;Se p °, Malta, Egypt, and Aden, via So u thampton. via Marseilles .. •• . , .• t ; Newfoundland ........................... .•'1•1 0 Oporto and Vigo .. U. S. and British N. A mer i ca, b y B r it. pac t , ,4„ by U.S. Pa c- 01 0- f ,,, by Canadian' W.C. of Africa, Madeira, and -Teneriffe.. • • • ; , West inches and Pacific • .... 5 .•• • Pi. Bahamas (via New York) ........ iylo Bermuda (ditt0).... Cuba and Mexico Births. _____------ fail, ADINGER.-013. the 22d inst. , at Abil l g er CP Lady Abinger, of a daughter. B A B R a i• r r ne .Aloi ° pi a nD rd; T a O te n u th st e ß 23 eg d t. i , n o st a , the.wife of -s, Exirr.—On the 24th inst., at Bath, the w if° °C "Ir. ) Ekin, of a daughter. ,f i l i Marriages. Bey, CHAFFEY—KEEN.-011 the 24th Wit., at "`'..„ -- p, 1 Chaffey, Esq., of Chard, Somerset, to JaSole 01 daughter of A. J. Keen, Esq., of 13e.v S eel Marine .parade, Brighton. tP - ' . a d el 0 Nrclinsorr—RomiLLY..=-On the 24th ills."A:ol°.'",o Paddington, Lothian Nicholson, Lie u 'ibe O il' and C. 8., to Mary, second daughter of lig . , Sir John Romilly, the Master of the 10' 0 0' Deaths. ara l $, 1/i DAMPIER.—On the 32d inst., at S t * ---e°P . 0 10 Sophia Frances Dampier, ag ed L 60. ca tter t i p; ' BOOTTt.—On the 24th inst., at Oran, n ear n arl e ,,,, °. o 4 ; . wife of William C. Booth, Esq., and P',.Tod Y " O' Of the late John Fielden, Esq., .111. P., °'.., e toP , 0 , 1 , SPOONER.—On the 24th inst., at Lego ' , r o of Spooner, Esq., M.P., aged 82. 1 $ 41131146 4 STEWARD.—On the 23d inst., at 2. Litt-c2A ate ° 4 f Mayfair, Elizabeth BracebriJge Stew s ''' 4 v Bond-street, aged 97. W aerl 1 SWINDELL.—On the 2 4 th inst , theta i fe 1) ,! „dil dell, Esq., 18, Berkeley-square, aged 5 4 * 0 , nj WILSON—On the 2 ith inst., John li ri fjO r Dartmouth Villas, Lewisham-road, ell Bermondsey, aged 75. London : Prin:ed and rrbilahed by VirILTAIAtin m ce of No. 112, Strand, Printer, at TaZ idv Strand, In the Precinct of the Say Vi go , 11l Middlesex—Saturday, N MAID"