The Sun. — London, England, 1838-05-15 00:00:00

LAW INTELLIGENCE. COURT OF COMMON PLEAS, MAY 14. LIBEL—WHITE V. NEWMAN. This case, the particulars of which have frequently been before the public in the Police Reports, end also in motions in this Court, came on this morning for trial. Mr. Sergeant Wilde, with whom were Mr. Richards and Mr. Clarkson, conducted the case for the plaintiff; and the defendant ap peared for himself. Mr. Sergeant Wrenn stated the case. The plaintiff was a respectable solicitor, residing in Gordon-place, Euston-square, and the defendant, Mr. Newman, who is a Earrister, residing in the Temple, was in the year 1836 accepted as a suitor to Miss White, the plaintiff's daughter; but from certain circumstances was induced to put an end to the intercourse. Subsequently Mr. Newman persisted in forcing his attentions on Miss White, and the letters which he wrote to her and others, after the plaintiff's prohibition of her further reception of Mr. Newman as a suitor, contained abusive language and aspersions upon the character of the plaintiff as well as personal threats, which constituted the libels complained of. Numerous letters addressed by the defendant to Miss White were put in; abounding in the most abusive language respecting her father, and expressions of the most passionate affection towards herself. Those of the most recent date reproached her bitterly with having broken her oath, and in one passage assured her that she would certainly bedamned as a perjuress. It appeared that in June, 1837, Miss White Prete to defendant, saying that in consequence of the bad opi. nion which he entertained of her father and mother, she felt that She p.uld never be happy with him, and she regretted that she had been itiduCed to renew the acquaintance with him after her father's prohibition. Frail the date of this letter Miss White never opened the letters afterwards written to her by the defendant, but sent them unopened to her father, ,A letter addressed to the Rev. A. Williams, Lecturer at St. Pancras Chapel, where plaintiff's family attended, was also put in. It was in the handwriting Df the defendant, but was framed in such terms as to appear to have come from some one friendly to Mr. White, and hostile to the defendant. Its purport was to seek the opinion and advice of the Rev. Gentleman respecting an oath, by which Mrs. White pledged herself on the Bible to be the wife of Mr. Newman, and no other, Mr. Newman having at the same time taken a similar aath. The letter set forth the circumstances under which the oath was taken, and gave a narrative of the defendant's " whole creme) of courtship." In 1833, returning from Fiance in a steam-boat, the parties became acquainted; and, some time afterwards, defendant applied to plaintiff to be received as 'a suit ,r to Miss White,but he was told that her affections were supposed to be engaged to another. Ho was received, however, as a visitor and a friend, and in some time, after more than one refusal, he was accepted by Miss White, with her father's approbation. When he came, how ever, to press Mr. White as to what he proposed to give his daugh ter, that gentleman inquired into Mr. Newrnee's affairs, and not finding that he was in a state of independence, put an end to all negociations of his daughter's marriage, and forbade Mr. Newman's visits. From this time the correspondence commenced in which the defendant aspersed the plaintiff's character in letters to his daughter ; and, in consequence of some letters containing violent threats, _Miss Newman calledat defendant's chambers in the Temple to remonstrate, and having remained there two hours with him, they pledged themselves to each other with solemn oaths on the Bible. This was the case submitted for the Rev. Gentleman's cpinion as to the obligation of the oath, and several passages in Scripture were referred to pro and con. A copy of verses, satirically embodying the substance of the correspondence be tween the ci-derant lovers, accompanied this letter. Mr. NEWMAN spoke at great length in his defence, and stated the whole history of his acquaintance with plaintiff's family from first to last. He complained that he had been trifled with, and contended that he had a right to press upon Miss White the obligation of the oath by which sho bound herself to him after he had been ac cepted as her future husband with her father's approbation. He had entered a plea of justification, on the ground that two anonymous let ters. now acknowledged to have been sent by Mr. White, referring him to the 34th chapter of Genesis, which would be the first lesson for the following Sunday. That lesson contained the narrative of Dinah and Shechem, and the murder of the latter by Dinah's two brothers. The imputation cast on him (defendant), and the threat held out in that scandalous reference, elicited from him the letters complained of. It was true Mr. White said that he had made a mis take—that the lesson was changed, and that he meant to refer to the 30th chap. of Numbers, which related to the non obligation of the pledges of maidens under age. The LORD CHIEF JUSTIOE—It was a most unfortunate mistake. Mr. NEWMAN then referred to a subsequent letter in which it was said that the reference to the story of Shechem was a mistake, but that the chapter was appropriate, as an example to injured brothers. Mr. White having at the time two grown up sons, whom he (Mr. N.) had sup2osed to be meant as the parallels of Simeon and Levi, who slew Shechem for his conduct to Dinah. He (Mr. N.) had been most cruelly treated. He had been indicted and imprisoned for those letters, and now this action followed, because he would not give a pledge which would be equivalent to signing his own death-warrant. Mr. Sergeant WILDE replied ; After which the Jury returned a verdict for the plaintiff—Damages, 2501. LIST OF NEW PATENTS. ( From Newton and Berry's List.) To Julitit;effreys, of Kensington, in the county of Middlesex, Esq., for his invention ,of improvements in stoves, grates, and furnaces; sealed March 24—six months for inrolment. To John Clark, the younger, of Mile-end, Glasgow, cotton-spinner, for his invention of impiAved machinery for turning, some part or parts of which may be made Applicable to other useful purposes; sealed April 4—six months for inrolment. To William Angus Robertson, of Peterhorough.court, Fleet-street, in the City of London, patent agent, for certain improvements in the manufacture of hosiery, shawls, carpets, rugs, blankets, and of other fabrics, being a communication from a foreigner residing abroad ; sealed April 4—six months for inrolment. To George Barnett, of No 49, Jewin-street, in the City of London, tailor, for his invention of an improved button for protecting the thread or shank from friction and wear; sealed April 7—two months for inrolment. To Joseph Rock Cooper, of Birmingham, gun-maker, for his in vention of improvements in firearms ; sealed April 10—six months inrolment. To John Watson, of Addle-hill, Doctors' Commons, in the City of London, mechanic, for his invention of improvements in stoves ; sealed April 10—six months for inrolment. To David Rodmund, of Wellington Foundry, Charles-street, City road, in the county of Middlesex, engineer, for his invention of certain improvements in the construction of an apparatus of steam-boats or ves sels used for war or commercial purposes; sealed April 10—six months. To Edward Cobbold, of Long Melford, in the county of Suffolk, clerk, and Peter Richold, the younger, of the same place, coach-maker, for their invention of improvements in the manufacture of certain pig manta or paints, or such like substances; sealed April 10—six months for inrolment. To William Fothergill Cooke, of Breed's-place, Hastings, Esq., for his invention of improvements in giving signals, and sounding alarms at distant places, by means of elastic currents transmitted through metallic circuits; sealed April 18—six months for inrolment. To William Barnett, of Brighton, iron-founclor, for his invention of certain improvements in the production of motive power; sealed April B—six months for inrolment. To Thomas Murray Gladstone, of Bootlecum Linacre, near Liver pool, in the county of Lancaster, chain-cable and anchor.manufacturer, for his invention of certain improvements in ships' windlasses, which improvements are applicable to other purposes ; sealed April 2l—six months. To Edward Cooper, of Staverton, in the county of Wilts, clothier, for his invention of an improvement in the making or manufacturing of soap; sealed April 21—six months. To James Timmins Chance, of Birmingham, glass manufacturer, for Ms invention of improvements in the manufacture of glass ; sealed April 21—six months for inrolmont. To James Macnede, coach maker, George street, Edinburgh, for his invention of an improvement or improvements in carriages; sealed April 21—two months for inrolment. To Moses Poole of Old.square, Lincoln's Inn, in the county of Mid dlc sex, gentleman, for improvements in manufacturing of carpets, rugs, and other napped fabrics, being a communication from abroad; sealed April 2l—six months for inrolment. To Christopher Nickels, of York road, Lambeth, manufacturer, for improvements in machinery for recovering fibres applicable to the manufacture of braid and other fabrics ; sealed April 2l—six months inrolment. To Robert Finlayson, of Regent-street, Cheltenham, in the county of Ll louc es t r, M.D., for his invention of improvements in harrows ; sealed April 2l—six months for inroltnent. To Francis Pope, of Wolverhampton, in the county of Stafford, fancy Iron-worker, for his invention of certain improvements in machinery fur making or manufacturing pins, bolts, nails, and rivets, applicable to various useful purposes ; sealed April 24—six months for inrolment. To Thomas Vaux, of Woodford.bridge, in the county of Essex, land_ surveyor, for his invention of improvements in tilling and fertilizing land ; sealed April 24—six months for inrolment. To Samuel Wagstaff Smith, of Leamington Priors, in the county of Warwick, iron -founder, for his invention of improvements in regulating .the heat of furnaces for smelting iron, which improvements may also be aipplied to retorts for generating gas; sealed April 24—six months for intolment. To Alexander Happey, of Basing-lane, in the City of London, gentle man, km a new composition, applicable to paving roads, streets, terraces, an d n !terplaces, which improvements are also applicable to the different purposes of building, and also in the apparatus for making the said com position, be!ng a communication from a foreigner residing abroad ; sealed April 25—six ,nonths for inrolment. To Richard Goodwin, of St. Paul's-terrace, Camden Town, in the county of Middlesex, wal-merchant, for his invention of an improved prepared fuel; sealed 26—six months fur inrolment. STATE OF TRADE AT PRESTON.—There has, dicing the past week, been less buginess doing in most descriptions of piece goods, excepting the better qualities of power-loom shirting and printing cloth, the prices for which have been obtained without diffi culty. The demand has also been more limitad for yarns ; and this we • regret to state, has produced a more subdued tone of feeling amongst the holders, as to our anticipated advance.—Preston Observer. BRISTOL SUGAR MARKET, IVIAY 11.-Our port is so completely bare of sugars, that we have no market: while in London the arrivals are heavy, and the trade in consequence, a little brisker. Bristol seems doomed to be sadly behind in this important 'winch of commerce. -- Bristol Mercury. APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION.—A correspondent asks _id 's it true that Bishop Phillpotts has sent a letter to the clergy of the diot.'", requiring them to insist in their pulpits on their immediate and legithriAte descent from the Apostles, in order to counteract the Increase of di: ent from the Established Church ?" We believe that such a letter has I. , een sent, and as we spare neither pains nor expense to gratify our readers—we shall willingly give any of the inferior clergy s half a guinea for a geni'ine copy, signed and sealed by the Right Rev. Father himself. We have been told that a clergyman, on mentioning the receipt of the letter to a li.`end, was asked why he did not preach in obedience to it, when he answereti, that if he did he should lose all his congregation.— Western Times. _ _ NEGRO EMANCIPATION.—A public meeting will be held to-morrow at Bristol, for the enfranchisement of the slave ap prentices. The meeting is convened by the Ni,iyor, who has consented to preside on the occasion ; and we understand thal: Mr. George Thomp son, the well-known anti-slavery advocate, who perille_d his life in a mis. slots to America on behalf of the slaves of that country, will be present, and take part in the proceedings. The .Jersey Times of Friday last has the following announcement The health of his Excellency the Lieutenant. Governor has much declined since our last. Indeed it can no longer be ecmcealed - that little or no hope is entertained of his Excellency's recovery." Jacqueline, the chimpanzee, which has been repre sented as in a bad state of health all the winter, at Paris, is still alive. She occupies one of the departments in the Rolonde, with the elephant, au - awe, and the gazelles sent by Ab del Kader. Lord Broughcm wri t e s home word that the fruits and vegetables on his estate, near Antibes, are now as ripe as they would be in an English autumn. The shipment of iron ore, at Brixham, for ballast, continues as rapid as the vessels can take it in. This appears to be a grand speculation the ore rising in abundance very little more t han a mile and half from the pier, and it is dug out in the ordinary way, and no delay arises in loading the carts.—Westerns Times. RICES OF CANALS, DOCK STOCKS, ASSURANCE COMPANIES,&c. &c. &c. LONDON, FRIDAY, MAY 11. Number Dividend Price of per CANALS. ' p m ihares. Annum. maid. Share 1,766 7 pet cent. Ashton and Oldham....Average 97/.lBs. sh. 135 LtS2 41. Ashby.de-le-Zcuch Average IM. sh. 65 1,260 Basingstoke lOO/.0. 5 1,005 51. Brecknock and Abergavenny 150/. sit. 100 8,000 1-16 sh. 91 6s. Birmingham, 1-16th share Sll. & 711. 223) i 000 Ditto and Liverpool Junct...l3o/ sh. 100 pd 24/ 600 31. Bridgewater and Taunton ....1001. sh. all pd 64 400 4/. • Chelmer aid Blackwater 1001. ih. 102 500 481 Coventry 1001.8 h. 745 4,545 • 2,0001 41.0.. Dudley - 1001. sh. 83 fltiO 14i. Derby 1001. sh. 133 . 20.000 4 per cent. Danube and Mayne 4ll. 13s. 40 .pd 33 1 3,575} 3/. Elle,mere and Chester...... Average 1331. sh. 77 231 46/. Er,wash 1001. am 700 1,297 :W. Forth and Clyde Average 44101.165. sh. sgo :1,600 121. Grand Junction 100/. sh. 2071 2,849} 11. Grand Union 1001. sh 25 1,500 Grand Surrey 1001.61 20 20,000/. 4!. per cent. Ditto (optional) Loan 100!. 70 3,096 600 131.125. lid. Glamorganshire, Average cost 1721. 13s. 40. 230 749 10s. Grantham 150/. sh. 202 5,238 21. Os. Huddersfield Average 571. 6s. 6d. sh. 37 100 Kensington 100 sh. all pd. 10 2 5,328 11. ss. Kennet mid Avon, Average 39/.186.10d. sh. 25./ 2,1971 241. Leeds and Liverpool 100 /. 0 . 610 544 13/. Leicester l4O/. sh. 925 1,897 6/. Os. Leicester and Northampton... Aver 63/. 10s. 971 2.400 101. Monmouthshire 100/.sh. 20) 150 101. Melton Mowbray 1001. eh. 200 500 25/. Mersey and Irwell lOO/. sh. 565 3.000 11. 10s. Macclesfield 1001. sh, all rd. 52 247 171. Neath lOUs)]. 325 2,400 5/. Peak Forest A vcioge about 781. sh. 04 1,418 12s. Regent's (or London) Aver. 331. 16s. 20. sh. 16 5,669 61. per cent. rochdale Average 85/. oh, 11 500 81. Shropshire 125/. sh. 138 800 9/. 10s. Somerset Coal 150/. sh. 151} 3,600/. 4} percent. Ditto Lock Fund Stock ...... ...... 12/ 10s. sh. 11} 700 40/. Stafford and Worcester l4Ol. sh. 710 500 91. Shrewsbury 125/. sh. 3/0 300 91. Stourbridge 1451. sh. 330 3,647 2/. Os. Stratford-on-Avon ...Average 791. 98.0 d. sh. 50 033 15/. Swansea 1001. sh. 230 3,762 I/. 15s. Severn and Wye and Railway-Av. 35/. sh. 35 2,600}5h. 321. 10s. Treat and Mersey, 1 share 100/. sh. 580 8.14,9 Thames t.nd Medway...Aver. 191.55. 80. sh. 2 000 sh., 1, 1 40015h.1 151. Warwick aid Birmingham lOO/. sh• 265 950 11 t. Warwick and Napton lOO/. sh. 200 6,000 4/.oe. Worcester and Birmingham.. .Av. 78485. sh. 791 5,000 255. Wilts an.a Berke ..Average67/. 10s. Bd. sh. 22 800 31. • Wyrley and Essington 125/. sh 75 , en Wisbeach lO5l. sh. 45 905 1.. Wey and Arun llOl. sh. 221 DOCKS. 1.,065i5h B°°Bl 13p. c Commercial .......... ............ ........ ...lON. sh. 56 498,6671/. 6 per et. East India Stock 115 3,2312,31014 50s. p.ct. London Stock 611 Ditto Bonds 59 1,380,0001. 4il. p. ct. West India Stock 108 2,209 :11. I 9s. Bristol ~ .. ...... ...... ... Average 1471.95. sh. to 68,324/. 5/. per cent. Ditto Notes, various amounts ll3 1,352,752 5 percent. St. Katharine Stock 100 500,000 4} per cent. Ditto Bonds 202,000 4 per cent. Ditto Bonds for 10 years loo} 2.500 ..... Deptford Pier...... ............. .401. sh. 20/. pd 11 BRIDGES. 1,600 les. Hammersm Al. .50/. sh. 29.1 7,.31 Southwark, Old Av 631. 2s. Bd. sh. 2 1,700 1/. 15e. Ditto, Now, of 7} per cent. 5Ol. sh. 14 5,000 ... .. ... Waterloo lOO/. sh. 3 5,000 18s.80. Ditto, Old Annuities of 8/ 6Ol. pd 19 5,000 I6s. 4d. Ditto, New Ditto of 71 40/. pd 17} 60,000/. 5/. per cent. Ditto Bonds llB 5,818 17s -.. Vauxhall... ... - . Average 701. 108. 3d. sh 2l A55URANCE........... 2,000 3/ les Albion 5001. sh. 501. pd 80 50,000 I S L et d . c l e s n c t i Alliance,British& Foreign 100/. sh. 101/. pd 131 50,000 B per cent. Ditto, Marine 100/. sh. Si. pd 61 24,000 11. per sh. Atlas 1,200 }sh. 51. Birmingham hire 20,000 41. per cent. British Fire . 250/. sh. 50/. pd 40 12,000 61. per cent. British Commercial 501. sb. 51. pd 5; 5,000 51. per cent. Clerical, Meili.:al,&c. Life, ICol.sh. 2/10s pd 4 4,000 21 10s County 1001. eh. 10/. pd 42 20 , 000 ss. Eagle rdr ce b nL 200 [ 30 , d Economic life ~, 1600/. sh. 2501. pd 375 2,271 225. percent. European Lila ` , O/. sh. all pd 22 60,000 25. Ditto, New 2O/. sh. 21. pd lf 1,000,0061. 71. per ct. Globe Stock 140 20,000 51* Guardian lOO/. sh. 271/ pd 35 40,000 6s. 6d. Hope 2,400 5/. 7s. 6d. Imperial Fire 5001. sh. 50/. pd 127 7,500 Os. Imperial Lite 100/. sh. 101. pd 10} 13,456 4/. per cent. Indemnity Marine 100/. sh. 8/. pd 23 2,020 31 10s Kent Fire 50/. sh. all pd 82 3/. Ditto Life 79 10, 4 100 16s. Law Life 100/. sh. 10/. pd 251 5,000 10s. London, Fire 25/. sh. 121. 10s. pd 10 3 , 900 Ios. London, Ship "51. sh. 12/. 10s. pd 16 1,000,0001. ... ..... Minerva Life 1001. sh. 30,000 54 per cent. Palladium Life 50!. sh. 2/. pd 218 s Od 50,000 41. per cent. Protector Fire 2Ol. sh. 21. pd 17s Od 2,500 11. Provident Die lOO/. sh. 10/. pd 20 100,000 ss. Rock Life 20/. sh. 1/. pd 51 689,2201 51. per cent. Royal Exchange Stock... 225 6,000 5 per cent. University Lite lOOl. sh. 51. pd 51 50,000 4 per cent. United Kingdom Life 2l. pd JOINT STOCK BANKS 25,000 6 percent. Agric. and Comm. of Ireland 251. sh. 10/. pd 5,000 Australa.ia 4Ol. sh. 401. pd 10,006 10 percent. Bank of Birmingham al. sh. 104 pd 10,000 19 per cent. Birmingham Bank 5O/. sh. 51. pd 0,000 5 per cent. London and Westminster...loo/ sh. 20/. pd 3,000 4 per cent. Lancaster 100/. sh. 20/. pd 25,000 Liverpool 1001 sh. 10/. pd 50,000 '7l per gent Manchester and Liverpool} 100/. sh. 151 pd Discount 20,000 7 per cent. Manchester 100/. sh. 25/. pd 20,000 Provincial Bank of Ireland 1001. sh. 251. pd SO,r 00 National Bank of Ireland s"l. sh. 171/. pd 10,000 5 per cent. National Provincial Eng. lOOl. sh. 351. pd 10,000 Gloucestershire 5O/ sh. 10/. pd 6,000 10 per cent. Hampshire • 50/. sh. 5/. pd GAS LIGHT AND COKE COMPANIES. 2,500 1158 641 Bath 2O/. sh. 1111. pd 5,000 British 4O/. eh. 161. pd Ani , 5/.percent. 5,- """ Land Bs. 55.1 Ditto Provincial 20/. sh. 19 d 928 5! lOs Birmingham 5O/. sh. 4,250 2/ Os Bristol 2 O, sh. 1,500 31 108 Brighton 2Ol. sh. 750 31 los Ditto, New . 2Ol. sh. ISt. pd 2,471 48 per cent. Brighton General 201. sh. all pd 4,000 48. Continental Consolidated lOOl. 021/. pd 1,000 101. City of London ...........-....100!. sh. all pd 1,008 6/. Ditto, New 4.000 4/.los. Equitable 5O/. pd 10,000 2} per cent. Imperial 800 51. per cent. Isle of Thatiet 251. sh. 20/. pd 2,350 6/. per cent. I ndependent 9O/. sh. all pd 9,000 31. per cent. Phoenix 501, sh. 39/. pd 1,000 41. per cent. Ratcli ff. ........ ........ ........ ....1001. eh. SO/. pd 4,000 South Metropolitan 5Ol. sh. M. pd 8,200 51. per cent. United General 5O/. sh. 461. pd 240 5/. per cent. Warwick 501. sh. 400 51. per cent Wakefield 25/. sh. 2,000 31. Westminster Chartered ...... .... 5Ol. sh. 6,000 12s. Ditto New 5Ol. eh. 101. pd 800 Yarmouth 20/. sh. 181. pd WATER WORKS. 4,800 9s. Pirmingham 25/. sh. 251. pd 21 1 4,4,94 6/. East Ix nd o n lOO/. sh. 158 5 500 21 lOs Grand Junetion ....Average 411. Os, 4d. sh. 54 • 2 ,/ 000 21. Kent 1001, sh. 43 372 101. Liverpool 800t1e..., `)201. eh. 3`so 1,500 21 los Now River London Bridge Water Annuities ofii 6,486 11 153 Manchester and Salford ..., ...... , 100/. sh. 54 1,000 4 per cent. South London jou sh. 67 8,294 41. West Middlesex ....Average 631. 12s. 9d, ch. 944 1.360 11 148 York Bialkllng Co. Lessee Prop 1001. sh. 0 IRON RAILWAYS. 6,300 Birmingham and Derby 9,500 Birmingham and Gloucester 7,500 Birmingham, Bristol, and Thames Junction i 1 15, , 00 Bristol and Exeter 1001. sh. 10 pd 7 600 Calcutta and Saugur .50/. sh. 21. pd 04 7,500 Cheltenham and G. Western-100/. sh. 71/ 3 3,000 Clarence lOO/. sh. 1001. pd 40 12, , ,3 0 Commercial Blackwall 501. sh. 2/. pd 5} B,lso Dublin and Kilkenny 1001. sh. 21 pd 11 60,006 Eastern Counties ' , 51. sh. 51. pd 33 Grand Junction 1001 sh. 95/. p i 181 Great North of England l3/, pd 91 5,000 Great Western lOO/. sh. 65/. pd 9.5 2,000 Hartlepool 100/. sh. 1001. pd 100 8,000 Hull and Selby .501. sh. 154 pd 12 10,008 Leeds and Manchester 1001. sh. 5/. V 14 196 114 30} 461 20 ~... 2,100 3/. per cent. Leeds and Selby 1,500 1455. Leicester and Swannington ....501. sh. all pd 751 5,100 10 per cent. Liverpool and Manchester...lo(l.sh. 1001. pd 105 10 per cent. Ditto Quarter Shares 25/. pd 61 30,000 12,000 London and Blackwall 50/. sh. 3! pd 54 20,000 3 per cent. LondonLonclon and zind G u r irm een in w a th rn .... .................... , `IL. pd pd 17 1 2 0 25,000 Ditto Quarter Shares 4 20,000 ...... ... London and Southampton -.504 sh. 501. pd 441 Ditto ditto New .. lO/. pd 21 i 7,000 ..... .. London and Croydon Trunk 204 sh. 201. pd 161 " Ditto New Scrip 12,000 ...... ... London Grand Junction.... ..... 50/. sh. 51. pd Oi 10,000 Manchester and Birmingham. .704 sh. 71. pd 84 North Midland 1001. sh. 251. pd 38 Northern and Eastern lOO/. sh. 81, pd 74 2,1,00 Preston and Wyre 50/. sh. 301. pd 36 28,000 South Eastern and Dover .74 pd 6 1,000 10/. per cent. Stockton and Darlington lOO/.Bh. 240 9,000 ... ...... Thames Haven 5O/. sh 24 10s. pd 11 1,400 ... ...... Westminster and Greenwich 501. sh. 2/. pd 01 6,000 York and North Midland ...50 . sh. 121. pd 114 MINES. 8,000 Albion Copper 5l. sh. 31/. pd 12 4,000 14 ss. Allen 151. sh. 121. lOs pd 12 10,000 ... Ditto Subscription .7.51. 4 2,000 1 0 4 BoLmos • 150/. sh all p 4 50 10,000 11. lOs Brazilian Imp. iss. 5/. pm .35/. sh. 20/. pd 234 6,000 11,000 Ditto St. John Del Rey 20/. sh. V/. pd 5 4 10,000 Bolivar Copper Company, .20/. sh. 20/. pd 5 10,000 ...-.... Ditto Scrip 10/. sh. 101. pd 9 20,000 British Iron 5O/. sh. 501 pd 124 6 ,000 ... British Copper 5l. oh. 41/. pd 14 Cata Branca 614 pd 9 Candonga 721. pd 71 10,000 11 Copiapo 2O/. sh 121/ pd 64 8,500 ... Columbian, iss. 51. pm...-. 551. sh. Sal. pd 04 2,850 W. English 20,000 General Mining Association., 1.01 eh. 154 pd 8 6,155 Mexican Company 1001. sh. 554/. pd 2 3,000 Polberou Consols 10/. sh. 8/. pd 51 11,500 Real del Monte, Unregistered ai Ditto Loan Notes l5O/ pd 18 0 30,000 ......... United Mexican, iss. 2 pm. ....40/. sh. all pd 21 Mtn. Scrip 3l Ditto New Scrip 5/ pd 3/ West Cork 501. sh. 50/. pd 38 LITERARY INSTITUTIONS. 1 , 000 ...... ... London, with Bronze Ticket 7 ags - . sh . 204 1,500 Ru Londossn University 1001. sh. all pd 234 700 ell '.2sgs. sh. 71 King' College 100/. pd 26 MISCELLANEOUS. 10,000 15a. Australian Agricultural...loo/. sh. 2641. pd 444 6,060 41. per cent. British American Land dompany . 2,0. pd 12 10,000 01 per cent. Canada Company 1004 oh. 281. pd 30-1 1200,000 5/. per cent. Upper Canada Loan 96 City Bonds, 4 per cent ... ... ... .. ~, IGO -1/. e 3. General Steam Navigation ...151 sh. 134 pd 2.4 101, per cent. Hudson's Bay Stock 2,000 U. London Corn. Sale Rooms Av. 751. sh. 19 8000 500,000/. New Brunswick Land Company 431 pd 10 2,754 5/. per cent. Reversionary Interest 50c...100/. sh. 100/. pd 133 2,633 5/. per cent. Ditto New 100/. sh. 70/. pd 00 4,000 10.000 Os. Van lire_ner.'s Land 1001. sh. 17/. pd ii LIST OF SCOTTISH COMPANIES' PRICES. APRIL 28, 1838. is ,;yKs. 1,500,001/. 0/. p. ct. Bank at Szotlao4 ~,,,, &V. 6s. BJ. 9 h. all p4l 192/. 2,000,00(1. 5i p. cL Royal of Scotland 1001. oh. all pd 11,11/. 500.0001. Bp. ct. British Linen Company 1001, sh. ull pd .301. 3,000,0001. 61. p. ct. Commercial 5OOl. in. /004 pd 1801. 5000,0600. sn. cL National lOO/.011. iul• Lid 1011. 2,000,0001. 61. p. et. Glasgow Union 2501. sh. 501. Ix/ 7135!. 4,000,080/. 4p. ct. Western of Scotland 2001. sh 301. pd 441. INSURANCE COMPANIES. 240,0005 h. B}p. ct. Scottish Union 201. sh. 1/. pd 20s 7,50 G di p. ct. Hercules lOW. sh. 104 pd 131 B '- 100,000 sp. ct. Insurance Co. of Scotland ....101. sh. all pd 815 s 50,000 6p. et. North British 2001. di. 101. } - 4 It?. 1,000 SP. ct. Caledonian Fire 100/. sh. 101. pd 1910; won op. et. Edinburgh Life 100/. sh. 101. pd 14/10s 100,u00 Si p. ct. West of Scotland lOl. pd 71 Cs MISCELLANEOUS 4,810 Edin. and GI as. Un. Cana1...50/. sh. all pd 221. Ditto Allocated ..1)01. sh. all pd 6.51. 5,400 5 per cent. Edinb. Joint Steck Water... 0 51. sh. all pd W. Carron Iron Company 2,0005 h 15 per cant. Shotts Iron Fou n u ery 501. sh 381. pd 51/, 10,000 3 per cent. Edinburgh & Leith Glass 201.0. 16/. pd 8/. 4,500 10 per cant. Edinburgh Coal Gas ............ 25/. sh. all pd 661 4,450 10 per cent. Glasgow Gas .....................251. sh. all pd 13i1 744) 71 per cent. Leith Coal Gas —.., .. —.. . ... WI. sh. all pd 451. _fi. ay .. ..... Edinburgh and Dalkeith. • RaEway...so/. sh 3 51 . 3 - C ,t, rii ~Aces mg, Equitable Loan C0mpany.....51, ah. W, pd IW, IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, MAY 14. The Loan CHANCELLOR took his seat on the W.,olsz.ek at the usual hour. THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDA V, MAX.IS, 1838 such a manner as both to entitle them to every favourable consideration, and to give room for those who objected to them, to propose an'. amend ments which they could lay before the House, to induce the House to modify or alter that measure. I am compelled to take a different course. It has pleased those who are opposed to as to say they will not permit us to go into this measure, and they will not permit that Mem ber of the Government who is entitled to make the proposition to ex plain what that proposition is, but that they will interpose an other question, and that they will raise a debate, and pro duce a division upon that question before they will allow these resolutions to be considered in Committee. I am, therefore, ready to meet that course in the way in which I think it should be met. lam ready to state no, the general purport and intent of the resolutions, be cause I think it would not be fair to the House or fair to ourselves, that theyshould enter into a consideration of that question without these resolutions having been explained to the House, and with regard to the proposition which is to be made by the Honourable Baronet the Mem ber for North Devon, instigated, no doubt, by his diocesan.—(Laughter.) After I have explained the nature of these resolutions I shall then con. eider the motion which is to be brought forward, in order to raise discord amongst us—(Cheers)—to produce bitterness, and to prevent a dis passionate settlement of the question, of tithes in Ireland.—(Loud cheers.) Sir, I shall then consider how far it is conformable or consistent with the professions of those who hold the opinions professed by the Gentlemen opposite.—(Cheers.) Sir, I shall therefore proceed to detail the provisions of the resolutions which I shall have the honour to propose. Upon this occasion, Sir, I think it necessary to notice some opinions of mine with respect to the Church of Ireland, be cause those opinions have been alluded to both here and elsewhere, in a manner which showed that they bad either been misunderstood or wil fully misrepresented. Sir, the condition of the Church of Ireland I must ever consider a very peculiar one, and that that peculiarity must influence any legislation which takes place upon that subject. Sir, I must consider the mode in which the Established Church in this country stands. It stands upon a ground to which I have ever yielded my willing consent ; but at the same time I must place in juxtaposition the present condition of that Establishment in Ireland. Sir, among those who have written upon this subject, although his theory is of itself a fanciful one, still I con, cider that the best writing on the subject is to be found in the Treatise of Warburton on the alliance between Church and State. He said that a benefit was conferred upon both parties, and foremost amongst those advantages he places the endowment of the clergy, and that certa . n clergymen should form a part of the supreme Legislature of the Empire. On the other hand, heeetates that the State derived from the Church this great advantage, that it is a subsidiary force—a subsidiary power that gives a sanction to morality and enforces the precepts of re ligion, and that induces the great mass of the people to subdue those passions, which it is the business of the Civil Magistrate to punish. If we compare this system with the condition of the Church of Ireland, we must see that while there is every condition required by the State complied with by the State, on the other side the Church of Ireland is unable to comply with the other parts of the provision —it cannot enforce among the people of Ireland those doctrines of morality and precepts of religion, because the great majority of the people of Ireland, are unwil ling to receive them from such hands. I will state however the utility of the Church, not upon any abstract authority or less moral doctrine. I will state words represented to have been delivered by the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Primate of the Church of England, a few weeks ago. I have found these words stets d by him, and as I quote them, and state my concurrence with them, it must be supposed that I entirely adopt them. He says—" What were Churches instituted for, except the good of the people, except for the spiritual welfare and advantage of the great body of the people? The State is instituted for the same pur pose, and those two things could not be separated. The extension of mo. rality—the diminution of vice, and the suppression of crime, must always stand upon the basis of religion." That being the ground upon which so high an authority states that a Church is established connected with the State, I say again, however applicable that description can be to England, it can hardly be applied to Ireland, where the ministers of religion, how ever well inclined to inculcate the suppression of crime, and the diminution of vice, there is that difference of religious faith between them and the great body of the people as will make the inculca tion of such doctrine from their hands totally useless, and in some cases impossible. I may give some examples, though often quoted, for the purpose of showing how little the clergy of the Church of Ireland will have this influence over the great body of the people. It appears by the last census that the population of that country is upwards of eight millions, of which six millions and a half are Ro man Catholiss, six hundred and fifty thousand Presbyterian, and eight hundred and fifty-two thousand members ofthe Established Church. The greater part of the members of the Establishment were in one of the four ecclesiastical provinces of Ireland. In the province of Armagh there was more than 500,000 members of the Established Church, and that in the dioceses of Cashel and Derry, where the Roman Ca. tholics numbered 3,408,000, the number of Protestants altogether were but 150,470. In Cashel the Roman Catholics were 95 per cent. of the whole population. In the diocese of Derry, containing a population of 98,000, the members of the Established Church are but 11,e per cent. of the whole population ; yet they are not without endowments. But it appeared likewise, Sir, that there were 41 benefices without a single Protestant, and 99 with from 1 to 20. There were other benefices in which there is a very small number of Protestants— a very small number of members of the Established Church—and a very large number of Roman Catholics. I say, then, give to the Ministers of the Established Church any benefit you pleases—give them, the credit of the utmost attention to their duties, although in many of these cases there is neither glebe house nor church—and that must be in the r way of their usefulness. Yet Ido say the condition of Ireland furnishes a sin. gular example of an Established Church, namely, an example of a church in three parts out of four of which the members of the Established Church are in a very small minority, and that the lessons given by those minis ters cannot reach the hearts or influence the conduct of the great body of the people. Sir, I have partly made this statement, because when I have declared more than once in this House my determination, in any vote that I should give, to support the Established Church of Ireland, I have been taunted with not placing that support on the ground of the advantages to be gained in religion by the Church Establishment. It does appear to ma that if we were to consider solely and only the advantages of religion, it might be a very doubtful question how far the present Establishment, in its present form, can conduce to the promotion of that religion. But, Sir, there are other grounds upon which, as I think, it is our duty to support that Este blishment.—(Heare In the first place, it is not the case which has been often put by those who are total?) , hostile to the Church, namely, the case of Scotland, in which upon the revolution you at once gave up your Established Church—you converted that Establishment into one more in accordance with the general feelings of the people—and by that means produced peace and concord in Scotland. Sir, in Scotland, not only were the great body of the people of the Pres byterian persuasion, but there was not that difference between them and any great proportion of the classes holding property, and having instruction anti education, which should prevent their harmonious agreement with the Presbyterian form of worship.—(Continued cries of " Hear, hear.") But, in Ireland, not only is there a vast proportion of the property, but also a vast proportion of the learned professions and others, whose importance cannot be denied, who are attached to the Protestant Church, and by whom anything that could be considered as at all tending to overturn the Established Church, must be looked upon as placing them in a state of political inferiority to the rest of their fellow-countrymen.—(Hear, hear.) And beyond this, we have to consider that the fundamental principles, by which the Irish Protestant Church is connected with the Established Church of England.—(Hear, hear.) From this consideration, Sir, I come to the conclusion, that anomalous as the condition of the Irish Church is, and differing as it does from every other Established ;Church, recorded in history, or at present existing in the world— e (Ministerial cheers)—any measure which would involve the destruc t tion of that Church, would involve an entire breach of the Act of eUnion, by which the integrity of the empire would be en klangered.—(Tory cheers, and hear, hear.) That Act having passed ,and having been many years the law of the land, it would be such a rent in the whole Ecclesiastical Constitution of these aealms to separate the two countries, that I think the Established ;Church of England would suffer deeply by any such measure.— ;(Great Tory cheering.) But, Sir, when I say this, lam obliged again to look to the condition of the Church, with a view to the welfare of the people of Ireland. I may say, Sir, to the people of Ire land :—" It is for your advantage—it is for the advantage of Ireland, that the ' principles of the Union should be maintained, and that you should continue to form part of the United Kingdo .- 1 —(Cries of " Hear, hear.") Your general advantage would greatl counterbalance the particular hardship you may complain of in the instil tutions of your country." 13ut I cannot expect that this will be entirely satisfactory to the people of Ireland. It was for that reason that I have earnestly, steadily, and at all times, endeavoured, by some means or other, to conciliate Irish interests,and to involve Irish affections in objects con nected with the Established Church, for the sake of its additional security. It was for this reason that the resolutions which the Hon. Baronet is about to impugn to-night seem to me, while they were cal. culated to award some satisfaction to the people of Ireland, to show that at least there was one part of the endowment of that Church which should be given for the general welfare and benefit of all classes of the community, without distinction of sect or persuasion. —(Cries of " Hear, hear.") But measures founded upon that resolution have never met with the concurrence of Parliament, although they met with the concurrence of this House. I am now to explain the measure which I think may in a great degree tend to satisfy the people of Ireland, while on the other hand it affords to the Church complete secu rity. In stating this measure, I will state at first that it is totally different from the representations which have been made of it in resolutions and in decisions which have been come to by various bodies. Many have taken a totally erroneous view of its provi. sions, and founded their objections on matters which really did not belong to the resolution. With regard to the first part of this mea sure I do not wish to say anything, because it has been frequently before the House, and, as I think, has in principle never met with any oppo sition. It is that part which goes to change the present tithe composi tion into a rent-charge, with a certain amount of deduction. With regard to the amount of deduction—with regard to the pinciple, I know not whether there be any difference. The next reselu. Lion I have to propose contemplates, on the expiration of existing inte rests, the conversion of that rent charge by redemption into a capital which is to be laid out on lands on rent charges, or on such funds as the ec. clesiastical Commissioners think best adapted to secure Its investment. The propositions that have been made on this subject by persons sitting on the opposite side of the House' have been accompanied by other propositions, which, on mature consideration, we could net recom. mend to the House. The Noble Lord opposite (Stanley), in 1832, preposed that there should be a redemption of the rent charge or tithe composition at 80 years' purchase—he then said that the Clergy, who had had a tithe composition, would be able to buy land at eighteen years' purchase—thus supposing they would gait/ five- and-a-half per cent., by laying out this capital on land. This is an assumption in which lam prepared to agree. The Honourable Member for Launceston, in 1835, proposed another mode of redemption. He proposed that the tithe composition should be reduced to seventy-flve per cent., and twenty years' purchase given. He proposed not that the deficiency should be made up from the pur chase of land, but that the Perpetuity Fund of the Church Temporali ties should be applied to make up the income of the Clergy. Now, Sir, with regard to that proposition likewise it is out of my power to go along with him, because the whole of these funds, so far from showing a surplus; they constantly show a deficiency; and it would be a mere delusion upon the Clergy to consider it at all. Well, then, Sir, with re gard to the state of the Clergy, while I propose a reduction I have to encounter the objection which those who have preceded me in this pro. position endeavoured to obviate, but, in my opinion, not successfully— in my opinion, there would be a great diminution, which it was impossible for us to calculate. I cannot see but that the clergy men having a sixteen years' purchase would be considerable losers, and therefore I, for one, would not force it upon them. I will therefore propose that the life-interest should be strictly preserved. Bat if I say that those existing interests shall be preserved by the clergyman continuing to receive the tithe composition, I am con tinuing for a long period the contentions and collisions between the clergy and the people which unhappily have already too often t a ken place.—(Hear, hear.) I propose, therefore, that while there jp a seenrity for the future in the redemption of the Tithe, there will be a security tn the e/eentet !Dr 79 VT cent, by making the State the ern_ ranee for that sum. So far lif Or ' h P ': - 'll4 , Ph is cenpernee, there can he no reasonable objection to this plan. I propose to reduce the income; but I reduce it less than the Hon. Gentleman opposite (Sir H. Hardinge). Where he proposed to giVf! 1,§04 I g i llf J,6001.; end I give the security of the State. Therefore, Sir, I think no objection can be made to this proposition, either on the ground of pressing hard upon the Clergyman, or reducing him entirely, or of malting hill) a stipendiary on the State and depriving him of the semi:- rity of his endowment. It Is for this reason, therefore, that I think that many el these petitions, and among others that of the clergy of Limerick, are founded upon a total misapprehen sion of the resolutions. They are afraid that they are to be made dependent upon an annual vote of this House; but that will not 1 ..),v the case, fpf they would be se c u red 'by al) ! Act of Parliament, and without another Act of Parliament that irvorne could not be afticted. If they considered Cat it was exposed to any danger, or frosts any spoliation be the State, I provi•le even fel' that— for I p:ovide that the clergyman may claim redemption.—(Hear, hear.) So much for the details of the plan, as it affects the clergy. I come now to that part of it Which affects both the Church and the people. Sir, I cannot think that the body of the clergy of 'relabel are inimical to the feelings of the peoiiie--that they are careless of the sufferings of the people. The people have irnb bed, and I cannot say unnaturally—they have imbibed from their teachers to resist the payment of !Plies, and were it not that circumstances have been favourable of late to the general maintenance of tranquillity, we should have seen a continuance of aggravation of those conflicts in which the tithe-pay ers determined to resist the law, met in vast numbers, came into conflict with the military and with the police, and extended that resistance even till bloodshed was caused. Now, Sir, in what manner does this plan propose to remedy that evil ? It proposes to remedy it in this way—that in future that which shall be asked of the occupier, that which shall be asked, aye, even of the person having the first estate of inheritance, does not immediately or necessarily go to the Church ; that the motive when the clergyman is secured, first by the payment of the State and afterwards by the possession of property, their's will be similar to any other property—the motive is taken away to resist the payment of the rent charge, because that resistance is no proof of the principle, and the withholding of that payment would not its the result affect the income of the Clergy.—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") It is, therefore, proposed by one of the subsequent resolutions, that the payments to be made out of those rent charges should not be payments merely out of the Consolidated Fund, but it is proposed that they should be in a great measure payments con nected with the Civil Government of Ireland.— (Hear, hear.) If there are payments connected with the Civil Government of Ireland it can hardly be expected—no rational man can expect that to far as the physical resistance is concerned—so far as those dreadful scenes of bloodshed and of massacre are concerned— I say no rational man can possibly expect that the payments will be resisted. I will state a few of the paynients it is proposed should be made. It is proposed that the constabulary force should be given at 100,0001. per annum, and the town police at 70,000/. It is proposed that out of those sums, 100,000/. a.year should be secured on the Conso lidated Fund, Lobe paid out of this revenue for the purposes of education. Sir, that income, for the present, would be collected by the officers of the Woods and Forests, under the direction of the State, and would be payable like any other sums which are devoted for the purposes of a Civil Government. If it were thought better that it should be made payable to the Treasurer of the countries, that plan might be adopted. There would likewise be a sum—it was impossible to state positively what it would be— perhaps about 40,0001., arising from other sources, and in that case it is my opinion that Parliament ought to devote that sum to local charities in Ireland—and I must say the more they can do to extend education, the more they perform their duty towards Ireland, and the more likely they are to have the benefit of order in that country. With respect to this question of education in Ireland, unnecssary as it is for me to en force the advantage of a grant for this purpose, I will state that I have looked upon this question of education of all classes in Ireland, proposed as it was by the Noble Lord op_ posite, and carried into effect with much more success than I had thought possible—l have looked at it as of far deeper importance than education in any other country. I look at it as of so much importance, partly because being a friend to the Eestablished Church, I see in Ireland that we cannot have an Established Church. It was stated most fairly by a Member of the other House of Par liament, that in Ireland you have a Church connected with the State, but not with the majority of the people—(Hear, hear.) — and that you have a Church connected with the majority of people, but not with the State. Ido not anticipate, however much I should think it desirable, that the clergy not connected with the State and the Roman Catholic and Presbyterian clergy should be connected with the State, according to the resolution passed in this House—there was a resolution passed that it was expedient to provide by law for the payment of the Roman Catholic Clergy. I know not whether after he has rescinded our resolution, the Hon. Baronet intends to propose to rescind that.— (Great cheering.) But with regard to any plan or scheme of that kind, whatever any persons may think of its policy, I think no person in the present circumstances of the times—considering the opinions of the Church of England—considering the opinions of the Protestant Dissenters—and considering, in the last place, the opinions of the Roman Catholic clergy and laity, will think that plan likely to effect the object.—(Hear, hear, hear.) Whether that plan be wise 'or not, I say that, by means of education, you may divert in some degree, what I consider to be the effect of not having an Established Church connected with the State. You may have men of education—men of learning and morality —men able to teach and inculcate the common precepts of religion and morality, with out being exposed to the hostility of any sect or denomination. —(Hear, hear.) I think, Sir, for that reason, that the establishment of schools in Ireland, and the sufficient provision for the education of schoolmasters—that is a matter of much more importance in Ire land than it is in any other country in the world.—(Loud cheering.) Sir, I will not go further over the details of the resolutions which I have to propose. You have in them, on the one hand, an income secured to the Clergy, and you have the means of the redemption of the charge upon which it is secured. On the other hand, you have the total separation of that which has hitherto been the income of the Clergy from all topics of irritation and discontent. You provide for the feelings of the people, and for the avoidance of those occasions in which persons might themselves, in conscience, be justified in resist ing payments, to which in law they were bound. These advantages appear to me, to be in themselves necessary in the present state of the Church and the country. And I think, that if you carry those resolutions and found practical measures upon them, you will to a great extent prepare and promote the welfare of Ireland ; and I say still more, that you will promote the harmony of your Constitution.— (Laughter and cries of " Oh, oh," from the Tory Gallery, responded to by cheers from the Ministerial Benches.) Sir, I can go fUrther, and say that this would be a final and perpetual measure.—(Loud cheering, and cries of " Oh, oh.") Sir, Ido not say that the people of Ireland will not feel any disrespect, or any dislike whatever towards the Church of Ireland.--(Hear, hear, hear.) Having stated thus much with respect to the resolutions, I must ob serve that what I have lately seen has made me much less sanguine thin I was formerly, that they would form the foundation of a successful measure. In the first place, the conduct of the clergy of the Established Church, in various parts of Irelanc, seems to show that they are deter.. mined rather to continue this agitation—rather to maintain the present state of things, than to agree to any equitable 'Settlement of the question. —(Loud cries of " Oh," from the Opposition) I think that they very much mistake, or very much underrate, the advantages they might have derived from the adoption of the plan which we proposed—first, from the due enforcement of the law; and, secondly, from the political tranquillity which has of late prevailed in Ireland. I think that they did not dwell enough upon these circumstances, when they threw away all hope and chance of making an accommodation, in order to rest upon what some of them call the imperfect state of the law.—(Hear.) .. In one of the pe titions which they have recently addressed to Parliament upon the subject, they declared, as if that were a great concession, that they were ready, for the sake of peace, to give up 15 per cent of their income. Singular this, that they should give such an exact measure of the value of peace.—(Hear, hear, from the Ministerial benches.) Sin. gular, surely, that these Christian clergymen should exactly de. cide that peace in Ireland is worth 15 per cent. of their income.—(Loud cries of " 011," from the Opposition.) In fact, the concession they would make is not even 'so much as 15 per cent. of their income, be_ cause, according to the Act introduced by the Noble Lord opposite, in cases where the tithe is easy of collection the landlord may take it into his own hands, and pay it, minus 15 per cent., to the clergyman ; there fore, according to the present state of the law, wherever tithes are easy of collection, wherever there would be any sacrifice on the part of the clergyman, the landlord can enforce the full payment.—(" No, no," from several Members on the Opposition benches.) In what cases then would the 15 per cent. be actually given up ? In those cases only where the tithe was difficult of collection ; where the landlord had not taken it upon himself ; and where the clergymen would be gainers and not losers by the substitution of a deduction of 15 per cent. its place of their present loss.—(" No, no," from the Opposition benches.) The Right Hon. Gentleman opposite seems to contradict my statement. Does he contradict this, that the landlord can take upon himself the collection of the tithe, and pay it, with a deduction of 15 per cent., to the clergy. man P Mr. GOULBURN (as we understood)—When the leases fall in, Lord JOHN IIUSSELL—True, but those are the cases in which .he greatest difficulties take place. The cases in which the lease is given in, and in which the occupier is obliged to pay the tithe, are the cases in which the difficulties are constantly arising. But, at all events, this will not be denied : that the other House of Parliament, represent ing the clergy, and acting in behalf of the clergy; sent down a Bill to us, in which a diminution of twenty-five per taut, was made in the income of the clergy; yet there are now men in Ireland, Christian clergymen, who say that the utmost that they will do for the sake of peace is a diminution of 15 per cent, and no more, in the amount of their income. —(Cries of " Oh !" from the opposition, responded to by loud cheers from the ministerial benches.) I say, therefore, that these unreasonable pretensions on the part of the clergy of the Establishment in Ireland—(Renewed cries of ' Oh," from the opposition)—that this insensibility on their • part to the evils of a protracted contest with the people, makes me far less sanguine than I formerly was as to the possibility of coming to any accommodation or compromise upon the subject.—(Hear.) Everybody on both sides of both Houses of Parliament must concur in regretting the exorbitance of the clergy upon this subject —(oh ! from the opposition)—but beyond that--beyond the exorbitance and obstinacy of the clergy, there is tho notice given by the Hon, Baronet opposite (Sir T. Acland), which, according to the Honourable Baronet and'his friends, is to be taken as a necessary preliminary to any legis lation upon the question of tithes and of Church property in Ireland. Let me call the attention of the House to the circumstances under which that notice has been given —to the circumstances which have pre. ceded the debate upon the present occasion. In the year 1836 we sent up a tithe Bill to the House of Lords which was returned materially altered. Those alterations we refused to assent to, and the Bill was lost. In the same year we sent up to the House of Lords a Bill re. specting municipal corporations in Ireland. That Bill I will not say was altered, but was totally disfigured in the other House of Parliament. —(Hear, hear.) The whole principle of it was subverted.—(Hear, hear.) We insisted upon maintaining the principle of creating (if you will) popular corporations in Ireland. That principle was resisted by the House of Lords, and in consequence that Bill also was lost. This was the result of the Session of 1836—a result which gave, in the first place, great disappointment to those in Ireland who looked to a settlement of these questions, and which, in the second place, was exceedingly injurious to the character and authority of Parliament.—(Hear, hear, hear.) Whether men attacked the majority in this House for what they termed its unreasonable proposals, or whether they attacked the other House of Parliament as being an hereditary body unfit to legislate for the great mass of the people, in either way the character and authority of Parliament suf fered in public estimation. And such discussions among the public, whether they have ended in derogating from the authority of this House, or whether they have succeeded in diminishing the reputa tion of the other House of Parliament, could not but have been at tended with danger to the mixed Constitution of this country (Hear, hear.) In 1837, other measures were proposed, the first of which, I think, was the Municipal Corporations Bill. Seeing the evil which had already occurred—seeing that which I thought might still occur, I stated, in proposing the 51unieipal Corporations Bill in 1837, that we considered it a vital question to the Government, and that we could not go on proposing it from year to year unless we saw seine chance that Parliament would be disposed to legislate upon it. When I did this it was perfectly competent--not certainly for those in this House who formed the minority, but to those were op. posed to us in the other House of Parliament, and who formed the large majority of that assembly —to say that they insisted upon the abolition of Corporations in Ireland, and that they would either reject our Bill altogether or introduce provisions into it totally inconsistent with the existence of popular corporations. The effect of such a proceeding, as everybody must have known at the time, would have been either the immediate resignation of the MiuistrY,— (Laughter from the Opposition) —or the proposition of such measures to ascertain OPPicift4 sense of th e people upon the question as could not then have ilegi adopted. Nre should then have tendered advice to the Crown which WoOfitiClt then hav e b een accep t e d, an d i n that slayagain the dissolution of th e Ministry was the certain c:e-fisevences I do not speak merely of what would nrols:;;sly tiave. ' happened, but of what actually did happen, tii9t §"tat that there was not a single member or the capin4 sy!rio olq not think that, upon the rejection of the Irish isfultioipal Corporations Bill by the House of Lords, it would be necessary for us either immediately to tender our resigna ‘ tien, Of. to proceed to some steps by which that measure might have some chalice and prospect of being carried without further lois of time. However ; those who were eppo.ied to us slid not choose to take that line of conduct; Had they, clone so, they wou l d have had the who l e course beftwe them ,. and: they would hare had the opportunity of submitting wln4ever mea. cures thei , thooptror the contidcratinof larliaiagrit l jgiey r C }Tor itions to lie) o id ; the, wou ld have gone to issue in this Houslia s would have stoo unuoubted'y, ueon grgroundrefusng PPe as Ministers of the Crown, of proposing soca other measures a: th 1 1 ,d upon that question, but they woe Id hay had the advantage, n judgment they miget deem nvot beirefieiel to the ceuntry. t ( e ) toitnit,aek they e t '.hat a p t ,. coupe op,,se d one.',bs after er .1 it should be deferred un'il certain other Bilis which were in pt( gre of here should also he laid on the table of the Lords. The language e that our opponents in this I !sise was of a similar nature, imP'Ying pop l u ,e t ia h tl l e ; s i . c t e telen',st sent S t t e l ta t :id t e li r ‘lh i e l e t:On s when the Tithe Bil, b •ettle CorporatiOns ueon the same tar basis as those estaleishea in England and Scotland should not t 0. e rnoun denied to the people of Ireland. That was the effect and their declarations. Every rumour of convers,,tion was in strict eon • formity with the language which they held in Parliament. Ev er y whisper in the street, every public declaration in the House, alike an' nounced that proposiiinns were to be made to the Legislature upon which all sides could agree without an y d er o g atiOn of the honour of Parliament. All these rumours, all these hints, all these statements, seem to have been confirmed on the 29th o f J une , 1837, when th e Du of Wellington stated what his intenti ons were with respect to th e principal measures in dispute between th e t wo Houses of Parliam ent s The Irish Municipal Corporations Bill was v i e wed by the Duls e of Wellington in this light :—" It is not my intention to enter into a ° 2: agreement with respect to the Irish Municip a l Corporations Bill. eln former discussions with respect to this Bill I stated my objection to it ; not as to itself alone, but as connec t e d with other Irish measures. I still retain the same o bj ec ti ons . At the s ense time I must say that it is my anxiou s w i s h t o p u t a n seed to the tithe question, which was introduced seven years ago. It is also my w ish that some arrangement should be m a d e f or a prov i s i o n for the poor to Ireland. lam desirous to see the c or p ora ti on ques tion settled when arrangements can be made for carrying ou t th e o th er qu estions Connec ted _ with it. lam most desirous that the P ar li amen t ary di s cu ss ion that n ow occurs on these questions from year to y ear s h ou ld b e b rou ght to a cl ose t and I can assure the Noble Viscount th a t if i n t h e nex t Parliament We shall meet in the same relative positions, I shall be prepared to concur with him on all those subjects in any reasonable measure he may intry duce for their final and satisfactory se ttl emen t . " Thi s declaration i, of the very grea:est importance.--(Cheers from both sides of the 1 - In n ' e ,/, It contains many things, of which the last is not the least im declares, in the first place, a willingness on the part of the Duke this; Wellington to enter candidly and fairly upon a settlement of the great Irish questions of Tithes, Poor-laws, and Municipal Corporati°°:‘, That is important; but in the next place it declares that the Noble Dt ,,"", would be prepared to enter into the discussion of such measures W. 7 the view to their final ;adjustment, whilst Lord Melbourne rine' from manned at the head of the Admistration,—(Hear, hear, hear, the Ministerial benches.) I can conceive that if the Duke of We il l ton or the Right Honourable Baronet (Sir It. Peel) opposite bed sa , " I am ready to agree to measures upon this subject which shall lead to portant. ()Pi the settlement of them," it would be remarked that the be entertained was, that if the present Administration would Yi eld .° his suggestion he would make propositions in conformity with his oP!", Mons, his views, and his sentiments upon these questions, which should be satisfactory to Parliament and the country. But the Duke of VV ,,, e lington did not say that. He said, " with the Noble Lord," meaning Lord Melbourne, " in his present position at the head of the G°"'"", - , ment, I shall be ready to enter into an agreement or arran ge ment uP ° e ; these disputed questions."—(Cheers.) NOW if he had added a f words to that declaration, and those words had been different from all the rest—if he had said, " But I have one proposition to make ni sn a l) namely, that the declarations which the Noble Lord (Lord Me lb°a ," e • . made in the House of Lords at the commencement of his s tdre ' is tration shall be repudiated, and the resolutions which were c ome (Contintuke: to by the House of Commons shall be rescinded" — Proposition to and loud cheering from the Ministerial side)—if the Noble V sbie had said that he would at once have provoked this answer from the /t o Lord at the head of the Gov ernment : " It i s true that you have made these proposals, but you couple w ith th em conditions i nco nsistent ° po. our principles—inconsistent with our h onour —( C h eers f ro m the . I h i e se sition)—and upon such term s I cannot propose any measure s upon L odi. subjects." It is owing to the concea l ment of those conditions-4°, ie s tions which I say would have been inconsistent with our Pr ineiP t e e t and our honour, that our opponents hays been able to go on from 80s, to this in the course I sh a ll presently describe. In the first place' ',sent was the declaration of th e D u k e of Wellington given with their a'• and authority, or was it not ? — (Cheers from the Ministerial side') ope, it was not, they ought immediately to have declared a differenc e al nee nion.—(Cheers from the same quarter.) If it was, I canno t °°nco roe how it could be that at the end of the Session of 1837 they could p eal or hide that which they knew we could never agree to, pose certain propositions of arrangement, and at the same time chit e nd to wh i th e was impossible that our assent could be obtai ne d.—(Cheers tr° ,, ni e se Ministerial side, and c r i es of ""Hear, hear.") I say th is, l ' u e ur we have acted upon the strength of the declarations m ade by,... opponents in this and th e o th er H ouse of Parliament—(Hear, hear) and upon the assur ance, as I may say, which was general ly under' s `,, a s that any propositions th a t were to b e made should be pro position oo, we might consistently suppor t . S oon after the close of t h e last Sea no when the measures with regard to Ireland were to be considered!in of Noble Friend at the head of the Government, acting upon the f at sea the assurances he had received, urged upon me this proposition. in•.;s said, " It would not be Just either to you or to the House of Co t M: 00 that you should be required to produce measures other that, which think you think consistent with your principles; but so Much d ,in may be yielded to the House of Lords, that with regard to the or ni e sde which these measures shall be sent up to them, that order shall h e oug ht in same degree conformable to their wishes."—(Hear.) I t ‘ h .the that this reprosentation made to me by Lard Melbourne ni g htresPe e " disposition of the House of Lords was a representation to which 1 h very properly agree, a n d I reso l ved, not from any party advantage(o3"od from a sincere desire t o reserve to this country as We ll 35 to it r the benefits which I felt assured would result from the settlenswenii‘c. these questions, to act i n con f orm i ty with the su ggestion my Noble Friend had m a d e t o me. Had h e told me the th which would be somethi ng i n t ro d uced at the en d °f th ese "e durieg cussions to which I c ou ld never agree, 011 s a ll our the present Session would h ave b een d i fferent. illy oPi ° n -lu°n ' That opinions were strongly i n f avour o f I r i s h Municipal C or porations. e nerat was a question most agr eea bl e t o t h e I ris h people, an d to the g that sence of the people in E ng l an d. Th e measure we had framed' 'lW :blo k e subject was founded up on J us t pr i nc i p l es, and wou ld pro duce, as I that nonebut beneficial effects.—(Hear, hear.) I should have urged . question In the first place.—(H ear , h ear. ) B ut d epen di ng upon the as surances we had received, I b roug ht i n anot h er measure—the IneaSiir: for extending a sy s t em o f P oor -l aws to I reland. After massy long an harassing debates, we carried that measure th roug h this House, a*- ere sent it up to the House of Lords. Why was this ? Because IW ° told that that was a question which it was desirable should be sent uP to that House before any others that wero intended to apply to Ireland- Many Trish Members told me that 1 was wrong in postponing a measur e which I had brought forward i n p rev i ous S essions of Parliament, ee which was justly popular in Ireland, for the sake of a measure which niust necessarily be attended by many difficulties, and Upon which th e popularity of the Ministry in Ireland would be risked, and migh t h b : lost.—(Hear, and cheer s ,) Th ere f ore, they urged upon me, in ,;.- strongest manner, not only th e propr i ety, but the n ecesst of bringing forward th e I r i s h M un i c i pal Corporat i on s I/1 0 prior to the introduction o f th e measure f or the establishment o f a sYst e of POOYAWS in Ireland. What was th e answer ? " I w ill do n° such thing; I will not say that I have not acted in the most conciliassory manner with respect le, the propositions to be made in the other House of Parliament; I will not say th a t I w ill carry f orwar d the Irish M .i " ois cipal Corporations Bill merely f or th e sa k e of o b ta i n i ng a party 2 '7 tois tags,".,,-(Hear.) Our o pp onents have taken great a d van tage ° cor, conciliation.—(Great cheering.) With respect to the Municipa l o porations Bill, when the Ri g h t Hon. Gentleman asked me whet h ;Ater would not postpone goi ng I nto the Committee upon that Bill till wa s a the tithe Question w as cons i dered, I again agreed to do so. This th e further proposition to which I assented, and I agreed to bring a boutl had, tithe question befor e it . I f the Hon. Baronet who is this night d o to bring forward a motion for reselndi n t h e Resolutions of 10 .0 of as he might hav e d one, given notice of g that motion at an ear l y per: As. the Session i , nstead of doing so only four day - aeo I should not ha , or , ferred the Irish Municip 1 C • ' lee there' a a , orporations Bill.—(Hear.) '„ has 3 has all the advantage to be derived from my conduct, and he has teal the advantage of any unpopularity we might have suffere"..nioipal urging forward other Measures, and from delaying the AI " se IS Corporetione Islie—,M ear, hear.) The only advantage pa st a eon the ativentege I shall derive for my future guidance for° the ioos duct Only opponents, which is, that whenever they make Prlfealswheos shall consider these professions as snares—(Great ons is dcclara uch is ever they make declarations, I shall consider those stratagems, and intended to deceive, (Immense cheering.) S fp the position, such the circumstances, in which the Honenra.bsl:hould ronet thinks fit to make his proposition. That that proPositica' e we , . come from those who profess an amazing attachment to the t he that the bar to any settlement of this important q uestion, , t ‘ ";"0 1 ,., raising of this angry debate—(Hear, hear, and laughter from t i " cti t hey position)--that the endeavour to force upon us a point on wh i ! rep eats must know we should not yield, should come from those who, ' ot eing profess an extraordinary attachment to the Church, IS Pe rhaP se s e n t P° et e ' that ought to surprise me. It is a very happy satire of a g rea t that when Discord was sent for, the messenger who sought os o no. her Oat in courts nor in camps, but in a monastery. —(Che rkoe bi , laughter.) No doubt the poet , who gave that description w e ' s sio" that men who profess an exceeding abstinence from the affairs 01 ,1 / follies of the world, and who say that their wish and intention's. _ ro ils the inculcation of reli g i on and morality,are very often as fond of ups, and contentions as, or still more so than, those whore ordinary tions are with the conc erns of the world. lam makin to g this 31 ! °5 ; ;t the the supposition—which I can h ar dl y doubt is a correct one-a-Wadebate wish of those who are most connected with the clergy, th at a w 'th Se : should take place upon th ose reso l utions of 1835. Now, St', "nie" spect to the resolutions themselves, I beg leave to state that WY 140° is the same that it ever has been. — (Cheers.) With regard to the et h re' itself, I may observe th a t thi s present House has nothing tO de `' iie re solutions entered into by any f ormer Parliament, no more than tide solutions with regard t o th e Catholic question were afterwards re of deliberation in a subsequent Parliament. Resolutions ha ve There rieus occasions been adopted by the House of Conane nL a e tioo s were resolutions with regard to the Catholic question --- ,! : e lergl with regard to a provision by law for the Roman Cat h° oeg et oc also resolutions with respect to tithes ; yet it was never tke a cessary that any subsequent Parliament should immediately , them; nizance of those resolutions, for the purpose of Corlsi der ' n 'eear: ") before any other measures were • o f C adopted.—(Cries Therefore, so far as legislation is concerned, liberty to legislate, as it best can, in the state e vitei resentp s climatal re quire"' by Os' lees, and as the inclinatio n ionporum regard t o myself, I will state what these resolutions are, and et] the . ot i e authority I think they are supported. The first resolution — s elere" only fi one involving a principle, the others being what were con ;OA a oition) I obe adopted at the titne—(A laugh from the Op! 'o° " that ar .y surplus which may be derived, after affording eln se , s even struction to tho members of the Established Church, ought '- t ee ° t or Per for the purpose of education, without distinction of religiou s t he re' suasion." In that opinion I fUlly and entirely concur red w hen anti Ct 0 41 solution was • • Ut originally proposed—i n that ()pillion I fully ae e ca o concur now.—(Loud c h eers. ) Ido think that anyth i ng whte i est p ros derived from th e Ch urc h o f I reland ought to be, and might n l 7 .t tile party be, given for the general education of the peoples and i Ll (flce r ' s whole people of Irel a nd oug h t to have the bene fit of in hear, and cheers,) Th e B oard of Commissioners of edLlCl,itref), Ireland, consisting of pe rsons of great authority i n th e lb i as well as in civil matters, have laid down no less a of (Hear, hear.) Their report is signed by the Archbi no , e thie Armagh, the Archbisliell of Cashel, the Bishop of Kills:l3o3od Itev. Isaac Cqrry, the nor. Thomas Elrington, co ,ter I L. Edgwortii, Mr. James Whitelaw, and Mr. J. L. and they propose that for ' t tax we d, the purposes of education be imposed on the clergy of Ireland.bearmiht not, it i s subs: , be deemed unreaeonable that they should ated at a snap not ell seeding two see , . e e, cent, on their respective incomes, to be asccrti...-tbat the Bishops in such manner as would be most expedient. N°vll;ereti• proposition recognises the principle of impo s ing a tax on th e C ie corn' Then in the, next place, as t o th e na t ure o f th a t education, tl d misst oners state " that n o pl an o f e d uca ti on, h ow ever wisely a w ise , exce ptionably contrived in other res p ec t s, could be carried into af tual operation it% Ireland, unless it were explicitly avowed and io und •asteSel ee a leading principle of the plan that no attempt w as _ et er made tO influence or disturb the peculiar religious tenets of any s i l ot if denomination of Christians."—(Hear, he a r.) Now, I conte nd „wed you were to rescind the resolution of 1835, still the:principle o l e l ed by in it is equally einlecatlied in the report which has been the Lord Veimate of Ireland.—Loud cheers ) The princ i p le moms consecrated in that report, It is a wise and just pie__ y. 1r and I for one should lass glad to see it carried into efite'„c.. tending to impeove the people of Ireland, and teuding wise to meke the, Esteisliseed Church more acceptable to that peol!e• tea (C(Cheers,) Ziu c;ne of the subsequent resolutions tai'lB3s it w s , as t' ere. that no plan Ibs the settlement of the Tithe and Ch urc h question co ' land could be final or sati s f a ctory nes ices It embodied the principle hat V ° • tensed in the first resolution, ti i s I think, the converse vs IRISH POOR LAW BILL. Lord MELBOURNE moved that the Irish Poor Law Bill Order of the Day be read, for the purpose of being postponed till Monday next, in consequence of the indisposition of a Noble Duke (Wellington), in whose absence the Government did not wish to bring forward such an important measure.—(Hear.) The Order of the Day for the second reading of the Bill was accord. ingly read, and postponed till Monday next. NEGRO SLAVERY. Lord EFFINGHAM presented a petition for . the abolition of Negro apprenticeship. The Marquis of DOWNSHIRE and a Right Rev. PRELATE presented petitions to the same effect. The Duke of CLEVELAND presented similar petitions from Durham. EDINBURGH AND GLASGOW RAILWAY BILL. Several petitions were presented in favour of this Bill. POOR LAW BILL Lord WHARNCLIFFE presented petitions for alterations in the Poor Law Amendment Act. CHURCH PROPERTY. The lionLE LORD also presented a petition praying that any im proved value which might be given to Church property, should be exclusively appropriated to ecclesiastical purposes. IRISH POOR LAW. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY presented a petition from some place in Ireland against the Irish Poor Law Bill, which they submitted might more justly be termed. " A Bill for grinding down the Irish Poor." —(A laugh.) Earl RODEN also presented a petition against the Bill. SLAVERY. The Bishop of LONDON presented a petition for the immediate abolition of Negro apprenticeship. POOR-LAW. The Earl of CANDOR presented a petition praying for alterations in the New Poor-law. Earl STANHOPE presented several petitions from Suffolk and other counties against the Bill. One of these petitions strongly reprobated th e new Poor-law. Earl FITZ WILLIAM remarked that the petitioners did not explain how, and in what manner the Bill injured them.—(Hear, hear.) Earl STANHOPE said he had frequently stated the grounds on whi c h the labouring classes must, and did object to the Bill. Earl STRADBROKE observed that the Bill had worked admirably In Suffolk.—(Hear.) He also corrected a statement of the Noble Earl (Stanhope) on a former occasion—that a great landed proprietor in th e Hoxne Union had expressed disgust at the operation of the Bill. Earl STANHOPE said he was not answerable for the changes of opi nion of that landed proprietor, and he re-asserted the substance of the declaration which he had represented that gentleman as having made•—of disgust at the operation of the Bill.—(Hear, hear, hear.) The Noble Earl also asserted that every person whose signature appeared to the petition had given full authority for the affixing that signature. Earl FITZ WILLIAM observed that it was unfortunate Noble Lords would testify to the correctness of petitions which originated in dis tricts with which those Noble Lords had no connection or acquaintance. It was observable that all the signatures of the petition were in the same hand writing.—(Hear.) Earl STANHOPE explained. He made the statement as to the authenticity of the signatures on the testimony of the person from whom he had received it. The Duke of RICHMOND considered the manufacturing of petitions in this way highly improper, and tending to lower the character of pe titions to their Lordships. Lord HOLLAND said a petition purporting to contain the signatures of persons whose signatures it did not in fact bear, that petition was not and could not be regular.—(Hear, hear.) Lord DENMAN said the difficulty was in ascertaining whether any signature was bona fide; if there was one such signature the petition might be received. After some further discussion, the question "that the petition be re ceived" was put and negatived. . _ Earl STANHOPE presented a petitical from Chiehester against the New Poor.law BilL BEER ACT. Lord MELBOURNE presented a petition from the Licensed Vic tuallers, of some place—the name of which we did not catch—praying for au alteration in the Beer Act. Their Lordships adjourned at Six o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS, MAr 14. The SPIAKER. took the Chair at Four o'Clock. The 'Marquis of BLANDFORD took the oaths and his seat as Mem ber for the borough of Woodstock. WOODSTOCK ELECTION. Mr. DIVETT presented a petition against the return for the borough ___ of Woodstock.—[Great merriment was caused in the House by the pre. sentation of this petition, the Marquis of Blandford at the moment be ing in the act of seating himself on the front Opposition Bench). BOLTON AND PRESTON RAILWAY. 27 4 . 2 f 16/ 35 20 The Bolton and Preston Railway Bill was read a second time and or. dered to be committed. RAMSGATE IMPROVEMENT BILL. On the motion of Sir E KNATc HBULL the Ramsgate Improvement Bill was read a second time and ordered tobe committed. Sir GEORGE STRICKLAND brought up the report of the Bromp- ton, Brierley, and Hooton Roberts Road Bill ; the report on the Buck stone and Elland Bridge Road Bill ; the report on the Wakefield and Halifax Road Bill ; and the report on the Salterhebble Road Bill. Mr. HINDLEY presented a petition from the parishes of St. Mar. garet and St. John's, Westminster, complaining of the disorder that pre vailed in the streets on Sunday mornings, owing to the public-houses being allowed to open at early hours, and praying that the public-houses be prohibited from opening till one o'clock on Sundays. NEGRO SLAVERY. The Hon. Member also presented petitions from Ashton-under-Line and other places, praying for the abolition of Negro apprenticeship. Mr. ARCHBOLD presented petitions to the same effect. IRISH EDUCATION. Ir u e : Scriptural ed ( lan}dr),:l prayingU CA for r tpresentedhe establishment a petition oo i s i countyn whicho f cation was adopted. Sir E. PHILLIMORE presented a petition from a place in Kent, praying that the surplus property of the Church should be applied to none but Church purposes. Mr. SMITH presented petitions from Coleraine and Sandhurst, to the same effect. The Honourable Member presented also a petition from the apothecaries of Dublin, praying that their interests may b e regards 4 in the Medical Charities Bill ; and also a petition from the Governors of Sir Patrick Dennis' Hospital against the 4th clause of the same Bill, which they said wonld infringe upon their rights, by giving the election of Governors to the subscribers at large. OBSERVANCE OF THE SABBATH. Mr. BAINES presented a petition from a place in York. for the better observance of the Sabbath. Sir WILLIAM HEATHCOTE presental a similar petition, but whence we could not learn. Mr. CHALMERS presented petitions in favour of the reduction of the rate of postage, and against any further endowment to the Church of Scotland, from different parishes in the county of Forfar. Also, a petition from Arbroath against the Corn Laws. Mr. SANFORD presented petitions from Long Sutton, Yeovill, and several other pl aces i n t h e coun ty o f S o merset, praying for the immediate abolition of the Negro apprenticeship system. Sir E. CODRINGTON p res ented a petition from Devonport In favour:of a penny.post. Mr. ORD presented a petition from a parish in Northumberland for the immediate abolition of Negro Slavery. Mr. PEASE presented a petition from several places in Lancashire and Somerset, and one from the City of Bath, agreed to at a respectable and influentialmeeting, signed by the Chairman, praying the House to put an end to the cruel and oppressive system of Apprenticeship. TITHES—IRELAND. Mr. Sergeant JACKSON presented a petition signed by several noble men and gentlemen, lay impropriators of tithe property in Ireland. The petitioners stated that they had incomes arising out of that property to the amount of 26,0001. a-year and upwards, and protesting ag ainst such an invasion of private property as was sought by the resolution of which the Noble Lord the Secretary for the Home Department had g i ve n notice offer to-night. The iron. Member also presented a petition from the freemen of Waterford, praying that In any measure of Corporate Reforrn the House would insert a clause empowering the registered freemen, and those who might become so, to vote for the election of Members of the Town Council. Mr. HALL presented a petition from Marylebone, in favour of the Westminster Improvement Bill. Lord TEIGNMOUTH presented a petition from the inhabitants of Oxford-street, to the same effect. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL presented a petition from Edinburgh signed by IXO persons in favour of the abolition of the system of Negro Apprenticeship. Also a petition from Tynemouth, complaining that electors who had changetl their residences during the year, and oc. enpied houses of more value than those which they had left, were thereby disqualified, and praying that the law might be altered. Mr. HOWARD presented several petitions from Carlisle and other places praying for the abolition of the system of Negro apprenticeship. Last, not least, (said the Hon. Member), I have to present a petition from the Ladies of Carlisle—(Hear, bear)—signed by 3,818 persons, for the abolition of Negro apprenticeship. COPYHOLD ENFRANCHISEMENT BILL An Hos. MEMBER presented a petition from the county of Leicester, praying for alterations in the Copyhold Enfranchisement Bill. Mr. PALMER presented petitions from three parishes in Essex, praying that any surplus which might be produced by improvements. in Church property be applied to Church purposes. Mr. S. O'BRIEN presented several petitions from infirmaries and other bodies in Limerick, praying for a good Medical Charities Bill. Mr. F. FRENCH wo uld take that opportunit y of asking when the report of the Committee wo uld be laid on the table of the House, and whether anything would be don e this Session, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was understood to say that the Report was nearly ready, and would soon be presented. Mr. JAMES presented a number of petitions from East and West Cumberland, praying for the immediate abolition of the system of negro apprenticeship. Mr. F. SHA W presented a petition from the diocese of Limerick agAinSt the Irish Tithe BilL MILITARY COMMISSION. Captain BOLDERCo Wished to ask the Home secretary a question relative to the Military Commission. He believed the re were officers in that Commission to re p resent ever y department of her Najesty's service, both na val and military, except afx#__llo corp, of Engineers; And he wished to know whether there was any objet.tion to recommend to her Ma)ezty the appointment of some officer attached to that corps en the Commission. M4sttir,Gener a l of the n tl O ee J ,w l t l , N o w I LL as tU a S t S t E hehea r d ep o l f ieci tha t t ha d t er t a b r e tment, wai op tho row, w , C 1 n o i 0 har GLOUCESTER ELECTION COMMITTEE. Sir W. HEATHCOTE brought up the report of the Gloucester Elec tion Committee, stating that the Committee had decided that N. T. Hope, Esq., was duly elected, and that neither the petition against the return nor the opposition to it was frivolous or vexatious. NORWICH ELECTION COMMITTEE. Mr. WRIGHTSON, the Chairman of the Norwich Election Com mittee, brought up the Report of the Committee. The Committee had found that the Marquis of Douro was duly elected—that Robert Scar lett, Esq., was not duly elected—but that Smith, Esq., was duly elected —and that neither the petition nor the opposition to it was frivolous or vexatious. On the motion of Sir GEORGE STRICKLAND, Behren's Naturali zation Bill was read a second time and ordered to be committed. Sir E. 'WILMOT presented a petition from Lymington, praying to be heard by Counsel against the Gas Pill. Mr. CHRISTOPHER presented a petition from the Dean and Chapter of Lincoln, against any appropriation of Church property, except for ecclesiastical purposes. The Marquis of CHANDOS brought up the report on the Ayles bury and Thame Road Bill. SUNDAY TRADING. TITHES (IRELAND.) Lord JOHN RUSSELL t h en m ove d the Order of the Day for the House going i n t o Committee on the Tithes (I re l and) Bill In doing so (said his Lordship) I should not have thought it necessary to say one word—l should have reserved myself for the Corn mittee—and it would have been my object to explain, In ag full a manner as possible, the resolutions which were about to be proposed, as the groundwork or a measure to be introduced on the subject of tithes, and of the ;Church in Ireland. 41001 bay; dope that, gadovourins to et4tc those Fepiaoofis