The Sun. — London, England, 1808-04-27 00:00:00

}<; ~~_ • ik e.":::r.;{1 1 4 7 NrArie( any further grant, gr the public (WELLEELnY said, it gne him plea ;it.tre(6 tiad tiara - It; itivjlt Hon. Baronet had no ob it;.2iion: to the principle i of the Bill now before the 11 , :ttst., though he appeared not to approve of ^senit.;, .(0 11 e , !er-' , 1 1 .> • The first obje..l.,tien of the Right am,. tat the tit,t irnits were not fairlY 1.2::::ed in mind that 'the Parishe§ were not equally Li faitly anti that niany parts were not va . tued'at atl. This was certeitily very true, but when he stated L.) the'f-iouse the total produce of the first fruits, Gentlemen, V.rould Ace .that for the purpose of pyo,lu6ng a fund for the objeet now in contemplation, it was of ;little importance, whether the valuation wa eliiia.;,or not, for the total aVerage produce did . 1 10t•tfxci , :ed from 3 to ,5001. a year: - the) , could not thtrefore become a.seriOus subjeet . of confideration: if they cohld be made effective, ,thecorisecidence of ildopfing the Right Hon. Baronet's ,soggestion • would be to take More money out of "the pockets of the,c lergy, whereas it was the obje& of this - Bill to give relief. The Right, Rom ifaronet, lie was stir:', would not say that the Clergy in general in 11,11 dud were too well provided for; indeed; the con wiri so' pl;vionsly the case, that the propriety ti,L. present Bill for granting them relief was admitted; and yet theßight Bon; Boronet • prorried to take a considerable' sum from their. pcw',;Ai. The Right Hon. Bronet had stated, that t ;'troy sum regutined in 'the .bands of the Commis , siou::;-rs; which ought to be applied for this purpose ; but he beaged to observe,' that a considerable part of applied to tits: purposes for which it had hitended, nu-. 1 he believed their funds were now yet'y 1 Su. Joni NEWPOUT . ex ptained -; , and after a - few w-o . rds from Mr: PAit,NELi., DolonNAN; and Mr. Ft xu the Bill waii ordered -to be re-cotrupit ' ted Ou Thursday. • ORDERS IN COUNCIL. , The further,consideration of the Petitions against the Orders in Council: for. the purpose , of examinin witnessqs; was,t the motion of Mr. TIfULNEY, put frmrt ta,;Tnorrpw (this clay), to. Monday . next, on the - ground ;11t- I dg,L.d . by 'that 140 n.: Member, that the evidence already taken had not'lxen delivered till iffi 4 4110i11111g. tcl; . . "f anMAINE gave notice, this he shoold toL 113;;Ve tor leavo to bring in . a MHO provide ii,r t!.e r3tirii,l of snob Dead .13odies' as should be, cast 0 1 )..t;o the 'Shf..ays leingland and Wales, in cottie, , of - shiliwreettnr: other casualties at sea. 11401 A Cp.1 1 ,1 VAN V's PET( M. GRANT resewed the Tetition voted at the 1.71 . 60 . 0. dult.lontltly • and 'i3i'a3'ing the. aid, of ",idiatnent;to tlw amount ortwolthilliOns fetn-hon thiviand pounds,,one half/of which sum to be if) discharg' of'a debt due of iLe 'Public to the Corn ,. 'mil, half to be advanced to the coin pPny as a' loan. Oti the Petition being read; Mr; GRANT moved t be referred -to the 'Conirnittee , upon Indic above . ritirs, and on the-qtletieti being put, 41r. IIL A. TAYLOR expressed his, regret that tho Oentletnan had not given notice of his in . -tt•mion to • !novel() refer thiS Petition to the Corn it. tiee. Not:::es were required upon . the most tslflirfg ,i.estiuns, and he 11,0 , 3 , 2,1 it that a notice should have ikt.o thl`3 htiportant iiubWt, before the. lieu se allicAltd be c4llO oik to t;,4sictiurt this detUand of the India 'Company from the Public.' , How - evt.l the HouSe should decide, he did•not think that unkler any eircutristapees he should consent to the Prap'r of the , Petition. After in experience of twenly-tour . years, it was his 'conviction , that 'the ntuuopcly of the East India CoMpany ought to cease, Mid t it Was the duty of his Majesty's Ministers to bring the queStion under .the consideration of Par in order that the legal notice of three years bo given, 'that . the Charter;Would not be re ne ed: CREEVEY9b,served, that the Petition gave tY y view of tlf'6' state of the East India Corn pany's ts.flairs, and took that occasion' testate up,outhe subject, which lull,, that the IC'ompany 4.vould never,be able to repay this min.—, The deficit of, the present 'year was three and ',it the present state of Europe should continue, • tile, c:....Otupany would lave ,to apply to Parlian:ent: 4 MO!it- year; and every year, ,whilst Parliament - would . h o to attend to its applications. if this' situ s ho u ld be granted, ,it would not be as' a loan, h t r,..:a s a gut. Another obje6,tion he felt-to the grant was, the, monstrons pradice of making such dividends, which should only. be disbu r s e d' tint n , ;:..t profits, at a iinie'w.inin the Company' . was .tibligcd to apply to the Government to enable io maintain their:credit, , Ile trade of the 'COrtiptitly was clrried 'on 'With money b o r rowe d at a high interest, and it was'neccssary to' relieve the individual trail-o . i. froM the restrictions which efttity , ,uisii , id his enterprize; whilst the Atnericans . , we: t: suffered to.become the rivals of the Company's When the affairs aE the Conflaanv i.hould he invi-%ti;'ltetl, it Ivnlaltl . be Mond that hest' h i gh dt v t.. be either limited or suspended. • Sir ./(,)271V P.7„:fri - 'o4l' protested on the part of lrei•uil, against the gurit'ut tYioney to the. India Company, ahluovtion of which wouh/ h._ 'defrayed: crelAnd, as that cOuntry bad been betrayed into a satittion of the Cornp l ihy!s 11101101)01Y, withel.it any sliAtlow of.retribution. (.4dlV7''sbouici DeVer have In the flit)-. ,ull • ice' had subrui*v.ed to the 1-inwe, if he bad 11',;:ogirt that 'a notit:e. was hece64.hy.- Nothing . could finther, from - his r,v ish than to, take:the House b ~urpriso. What had been said uphh the subject wa, preniitturo, but as it was ealevilined to do 'njory ro the company, he 'felt it necessary to one or two observations upon what had trou, t h e Gc,titienien . opposite. As . to the Ainerican trade in the Ease; they public .we . , - e much misinformed, and certainly at a time When the Warehouses of the Coir:,- wero with their Synods, the privatetrader id not derive any adv:intai7,e, front haviuLt't hp trade It: was the of-Europc,'not'tii'Q inbno p;ty of the Coznpari:.', that clioriiced up tit crane, ft 15,2 S rliCit iii Utral. dialnu,r that .;alt: _th,e Americans , tife, extent of that tr.Vde ,t 33 1,6,t of 79+, indul‘g , ,..nkles had to the,AerieLto ins which 116 , eciin1urio45 t ii , wits not the fault of thl ConyAily. they WHArit /I TA aflov.ed Oil, tratit: to :Atoerieir, IN Hell their .tienl r,d I.lt;tblet3 tt:LtO t,ct to Et.topc. It. the y 1 1 ,1 at,lt ity 11 ille ;,egisiatorcto tilc 4:WI a a L:f0.1;);': ;: ,1 1%-iCr 1:11:11 they •i, tii had hitherto been made ;' and it would be an itt terforence with the pToperly.of those who had vest , edlheir money in India Stock, - under shill an irn -pression, to limi(or suspend them without neces sity. He:delircoated =any langna4e that would have the pffed of giving any- decision upon the. point, at issue, before the whole case should be beferelhe House, and saw no reason- to defer his motion for referring the Yetition to the committee. Mr: ,Q I. .PONSON,Yr did not objea to referring the PetitiOn t'o: the Committee, but could not give_ his assent` to the. prayer of it. It might be right or it might bp wrong to grant the money,: but that was to'be proved by what the Company could -spew. It appeared, however,. that the money required was to be agift, not a loan. It appeared that,' if it were not granted, the India Company could not maintain its credit or pay its dividends. Whatever course the House might adopt, whether. to break down the Company, Or to continue its Incinopoly, lie trusted that the fullest information would be afforded to the public upon the subject, and the past delusions clout away. As it appeared that the Committee had reached nearly the end of its labours, he hoped, that, w hen the Report should .bopresented, all the evidenee.and other documents upon which it might be . founded 'should aho be printed,' in -order that the public might know the real situation of. the Company, and whether it would be tbr the benefit - - of the nation that the monopoly 'should be con tinued. The. CLIANCELLOR of , thr EXCHEOER thought-it wrong to ettempt to anticipate now what . the duty of the. House might be, on the Report which the Committee Ivey make on the .Petition, and on the general state of the Company's affeirs. The Committee would probably find it proper tore commend some specific measures on which , the House would have to form its opinions on distinei grounds. With respe& to the necessity of a no tice, he thought that form, not requisite where a Petition was merely to be presented, and put in a train.of,inquiry, The Committee , now sitting was the fittest Committee'to which to refer the 'Petition, and nobody thought of referring it le any other. It was fettler unnecesSary to make- any expo:se reserv,. 'Mien of freedom of judgment, when. nn opinion was called for till mature examioatioa should, have .taltep •plaCe. He deeied that the accumthodetion now asked by the Company would be a gift, as some ' 3s arted ; the Petition , elledged that the Pnblic was indebted to the Con;paey Many leaudred.thouttand pounds. There was no doubt on the mind' of any perion'cOnvers'ant with the subjea that tills was the tatand it. was right to give the opportunity of the proof by reterritrr w ,the Committee, Before any retitsn relief to the Company, it was essential' to ascertain whether the Couptry had not contribdted 'to Cause the distress that rendered that relief necessary. It was perhaps the most grave ouestion that ever'came to be deliberated, how far the 'abandonment of the Company's affairs to unre lieved distress may tend to plunge the nation at large, into an irremediable state of distraction. it was matter of caution also, if the relief . was to be given, to avoid giVipg ilia way that would render it a Curse **her than a beueat. Whether the re lief was to be given or not, or in whatever way it was to be given, every one ought to abstain cautious- ly froni any thibq thateouhl tetid . to prejudie‘i or in jure the interests of a Cotiopany so widely con neeled with the Public. Thus 'Leuch he' thought it -necessary to state, to prevent some unguarded.elt presSions thrown out on the other side from doing the injury that might otherwise arise from them. Mr. Tsuoit and Mr. PoNsosfey emtlained. The latter said, if it was a loan the Company wanted, they might borrow on their own credit. . Mr. TIEI4VEY said, the Company, by the At'it of t7gB, was entitled to - add 2,000,0001. to its ea which was suppoSed equal to 4,000,0001. zit the market. This proceeding. not being 'adviseable, .from .the eircpmstances of the limes, an MI was passed last year'for idising'2,ooo,oool. on the Coda parry's Bonds, as a Measure of temporary conve -nience: Ot that transition he-.approved. With respect to the, claims of. the, Company upon the Public, he s thoUght theraniounted.to ;I-1,000,0001. at least. He thought it, .hoWeverea state of corn . parative distress, that Could have brought the COrn panyto ask, for the accommodation now. reqUired. But: the Company was liar*, dealt with when an unbvourabie statement was given of its affairs-with out any themtnents befere the House to ,warrant ii. ' Any injury done to the CoMpany's credit would be attended with mischief so wide and alarming, that it was twitter of ' the moat serious moment to give circulation to such ideas without being warranted in pointof faCi. With.respea to the renewal of- the Charter, he had his own opinions, and would state them frank!, when that measure should come to be considered: With respect to.thepresent claim, the Company having. accommodated, the Public, ,and haVing sutlered, in consequence, was at - least end.: fled to attentive consideration when it' came to sk', relief in its turn. With 'respect to the-500,0d01. promised arnioally tq the Publip from the expetteci profits of the Company; by a Noble Lord (Melvill4 - w had king presided , ever tali'bidet a LTA's; . the Company' was no party to that epgstgentent ; and if the Noble;,l4ord made / ail Aver sanguine statement, Which was peva, realized' the Company-ought not to be Wanted. The 500,0001. had never been paid;_ decease' the Circumstances'. in whit h it was to be paid had never arisen. ,The Committee, after' in vestigating the matter of the Petition now before ~ the House, would report their o pi n i ons t h ere u pon , . • with the grotinds Of those opinions, The relief to be given was like that given on former occasions to . private merchants, by a loan of ExCheqner-BillS, aftirwards repaid with advantage to the Publie.—. The cause of wilting the loan was the same, the stagnation of,trade, from the want of access to the usual markets.. It was 'certainly desirable that the Company's athlits should too lidlyitiVeSligated; and he Was sure, particularly front what he saw of the Ten,!.1061 of the Hoo. Gentle Man opposite (Mr. Granty in' the Committee, that the CoMpany was willing they, should be set in th e *clearet • ' PONSONTY in explanation said, lie was', fir limn. wishing to, preludiee the Cepyany ; lie tv,,,j1.1y wr,, desirous' that-a 'full inquiry and a clear Itetemeot of .ilie.Piriipany's affairs should do away 'the delusions. that 'had hitherto misled tee public with respeCt to them. t‘?* STR Vinii ER combated the eon ati,sl.l' of ,f , it't i) . (it so !Toil tl}i3 o'ppl h e at i o n . • MAILS. ARai vID—I Dublin, 2 Watertiird : Dus—L Gottenburgb, I Waterloid NRICir OF STOCKS, , THISAAV A 2 TIV&LV E O'CL6CIC. Consols . - - - , TtfE SU N. DJCICRE iALSUNI AUDICAT! L 0 ND 0 N, WEDNESDAY, AFttlL 27, 1803. TILE Gazelle Of last night contains the details.of t - several very gallant Naval ACiiOns, awl though they ale all entitled to great praise, yet we .cannot but partiCulnly . eall the attention of our Readers. to the account given by Capt. M..M.t7LWELL., of an attack made by the Alceste, tinder his command, in com pany ',midi the Mercury, and Grasshopper Brig, in the mouth of Cadiz Harbour, upon a Spaniill Con voy, under the proteetion of about 20 Gun-boats, a numerous-Trait of .Flying Artillery on' the beach, and, as Capt. MAXWELL expresses it, in the teeth of eleven Sail of the Line. Tim'latest intelligence from Spain Was broughrby h Gentleman who is said to have left Seville on thg 2d of this month : he came in a Vesiel which has arrived in thie Ornery, and which- left St: Lucar's at thatperlod... .Vhe new Monarch,,underthe name Of " FertniNA ND the Seventh," had, been. proclaimed `king of Spain, at Seville, St. •Lucar7s, and' other prices. Public entertainments had been given at St. Lucar's, in celebration of this event, which were zi rtended s by the tir4 petspps, and which excited the ',t4=oA joy among the, people. hut they were not withont nutnifesting the greinest indigna t;:)n the'niunci s f 0110.5. late Prime Minister, and,. ift eifeEt,ler of the, Kingdom. All the p'roper'ty of the latter, to as enormous amount, had been confiscated. BY the same channel, reports 'have been 'brought) stating that a Deputation of the' chief Grandees had been appointed to wait on BUONAPARTE , Who was then - at Bayonne, requesting him to order 'the removal of all the French ,trooPs from out of the Spanish territories, as, otherwise, they might tall a sacrifice to the general vengeance of the people, •who seemed determined to, support the ho• nonr and independence of their, country. Such in appeal, however, was hardly likely to be success ful, as BUONAPARTE)3 pride, as well as his private WiShes, might revolt against such, an appa'rent me. • • naCe. The persons now called. topower, in order support the new Government, are highly estceuwJ for their 'worth and patriotism, and were notoriously adVerse to the late Minister. The fate of the latter may possibly operate as a. warning to BuovArAnTs himself, since GOODY was as high in Spain, with re ference to the extentof his'pOwer, as Buos APA lITE is in France, and bad the Army at his command. tut the Prince of Peace is now the miserable inhabitant of 3 common jail, and by this time has perhaps paid the forfeit of his ambition and rapabity upon a scaffold' As the Duke D'lmtsTano,' who was sent late e;ile by Gobov, is now, the chief man to whom the Nation looks with conPdence, the Spanish Merchants in London are induced to adopt those rumours: which state, that the Revolution has really been effeaed by the spirit- of their Countrytnello wlthotit the intervention' of the French. A short time will, however, determine the .Matter and ill the meat ) tirtle all is conjeaute and uncertainty. THE great length of Mr. PICKERING'S Letter .to Governor upon the conduit of 'this American Ziesidtint, relative to this. Country, whicil .4•e had ! yesterday the plea - Aire: of presenting to :our Readers,, i prevented us . frominaking any obser . vations upon it., liowever, it takes so compre.lien -sive a, view of the relations between the two Coon- , tries, arid' the evident interests of both,' that it speaks emphaticatly for. itself. 'We cannot doubt that it 1 - 01 -Made a powerful impression on, thcso Americans Wlin are really,' . attached to their Country An OppositiOn Paper ha's thou.-lit proper to tere" sent Mr. PICKERING as a man without " any refill tation or.weight' in America,'!. and 'instead Of in betting histadmirable letter has contented itself %vial an abusive . passage against it, taken from one ,01 the American Peters devoted to the Picsiden t • have, however, too good, a n opinion of the under standing and patriotism of the majorityof the Aw e ricans to . sulippte 4 that the strong flas pnd.cogent reasoning contained in Mr. PICKERING'S Letter will not have due:Neight with them, or that they cart think lightly of the author. We are persuaded that must tend to confirm. every favourable sentiment towards this Country, a 3 it irrefrngably proves 0 1 ' if the Presiaent had been disposed to an anticah.li ) adjustment with us, relativeio the Chesapeake, then: would have beeq . no danger of a lupture with Great Br'itain, and that he has shewn a want of regard to the interests df the Americans ,. if not a decided par' tinlity for France, in withholding the 'Dispatch es from the American Minister at Paris, IVhich would have unveiled the desigtus of the French Ruler, well as in precipitately-determining upon an Embares which has , brought thousands to misery, and thr eat ' 'ens ruin to the commerce of the United States, °' a time: when it might have been more flourishing than ever. ' His Royal Highness the Prince of Wats wen down to Windsor on Monday to congratulate Prin.' cess MART OD her birthday, and return morning to Carlton House. . Yester day morning, the Dukes of YOlig and C A S - F which BRIDGE came to town, from Windsor. the Duke of Fork - held a Public Day at his Office. in ed yesterday the Horse Guards, and gavo audiences to's pumper of Military Officers. • Seven hundred Portuguese, who nad cscaP ed °ll , board Sir CriaLia.Corros's Fleet, have artiveu,ll" this Country. Advices have, also been receiveu' that about the same number are now' On their WV from off' Lisbon. Individuals are flying from P oi '. tugal daily in great nonihers; and so eager are the Portuguese to escape train the clutehes of the Fren ch; that none remain behind except ' those who da re not attempt to 'remove their families and plop" rt " from thekfear of'detedion. . . —. . . . , • A private Letter from StOokholin, received 3 )' t " . last Gottenburgh Mail, contains the following plO4. inginformatiyit ; but WO regret to say it is not cb ly firmed by the tifficial accounts : Srocxtrot;34, AraiL 7.-:-We have this daY r, .'; ceiied intelligence that liornhohn, is ca t a red, ‘c",.' l o • an immensedepot of corn lodged there for 1 7 French auxiliaries. General BEIANADOTTS IS Said 0 i ; e have declared to' the King of Denniatk, 'l lO t o Danish. troops were. such very poor soltliersf,. or , could not think of hazarding his mil:my rePut a L i to to orinnand them itgainit the Swedes. He is g ° h fromcopenhagen, . where only .2 or 3 00 Freol; troops were arrived. Toe conSvription here g00,...4 well. Malty. men above . the age prescribed' I , ) ;"` ed , presented thernselves, and begged .to be enr`" s ', l , o tiIIXIION'peN 4tirantoned Admiral CaossTF.,Pl'..'....; cOprnatids at Swe.tbor , ,' to surrender that tbrires,i, ' 1: doe; not stain! iv my u'rdery,' ‘4 , 4s t. 40 reply: ' ' The relief asked was the same already granted to commercial people without any pecuniary loss, and with much substantial benefit to the country. It , was a ,reltel sitnilarto that 'granted to the Company in 1773, to the amount of 1,566,0001. ; and also in 1784. The advances had beetyrepaid in both in stances without loss. With respe6t to the full d:s closure of the state of the Company's affairs, he had never known any.desire of concealment in their concerns, Some. were more sanguine, others more glooMy, in'theit , inferenceS; but he had never known. any reserve in point of disclosure. With retipe6t to the extinaion of the charter, .it was a step of the most ,awful . moment, on which the Legislature Qught to pause ,deeply • before it should venture to adopt it, Thus much_ he would ventnre to _say, even now, that howevdr. the import trade may be kept up by individuals, the expo:t trade, which was ' of the greatest importance, could not be-extended or.-. ' Maintamed by the in, When the question at largo 6h91.*1 come before the House he should be ready to meet it, as well with a view to the 'interests of the mation as - those" Of the - CoMpany. there:was - no reason why the Petition now before the House should not be referred to the Committee, and Why the relief formerly granted lihould ,not be ,given. Vk deprecated prejudicial statetuents without ground 4 or •docurnent s. , M r . HCHVORTH thought the Rouse was kept fop tuna in the dark as to East-India affairs, when the last accounts stated in an India - liudget, were those., of the year 1803-4. There . yere two col lateral statements which differed from each other to the amount of millions, The public was in titled to.a fait and candid statement, of the Com pany's debts and assets. Mr. DUIVDAS.gaid thd dOeuthents on which the present Petition was founded ' were. - alreadf before the Committee. General East-India Accounts, sub .sequent td thoseof 1803-4, had been laid before the:House last year; and (Abets - recently received were, now in train \ of preparation to be presented.— There was every disposition in those charged with the management of the Company's affairs to give the fullest information on the Company's.attairs, and the Noble. 1. / ord, with whom he was particularly con, ne6ted-, was always most anxious that the whole of the COnipany's csonCeins should be . probed to the bottom. - - - • -The - Petition - Was referred to the - Committee. Mr. WHARTON brought up the deport .the. Assessed - Taxes Bill; which was ordered to. be-taken* into further consideration on Monday. • I . • . The Irish Spitit Drawback. Suspension BilLwas. read a third time and passed„ . after a icw onzerva tions- from . Sir JOHN NEWPORT, who as7seht::,l to the; __Bill as a temporary Meastir'e,-- but would oppose- its permanency, as incousistent-with' the Articles sf Colonel SHIPLEY, gave nciticei that` to-morrow he • would . niove for certain .Aceounts relating. to the strength of the Militia and Volunteers. Sir JOHN NEWPOET, ill cou`sequencu of the Irish Accounts, ordered long since 'to be printed, 'not being yet in a course of delivery, Wished the Financial pro:. poSitions, •of which notice . had been given for to morrow by the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr. Foster), to be deferred tea future day. Mr. FosTsit said the Accounts were now ready for delivery, .and hoped the Right Hon. Baronet . would not think it necessary to retard the prop.:si tions of which notice was-given for to-morox*, as they related merely to some, regulations of Like as sessed taxes, with a little increase in some instances.. Sir Jon N NEW porr acquiescect, . . _ Mr. ,finsictssorr gave notice, that. to-morrow he would : move, that the Surplus of Ways and Means of laStyyear be appropriated, to the service of the current year. Mr. HusxissoN presented 'several miscellaneous ' Accounts': . . ._ _ Sir JOHN NEWPORT wished to know from the Right Honourable Gentleman opposite; whether any. proposition was to be brought forward in ,this .Session, for renewing the. Charter of the 'Bank of Ireland. • . Mr. FosTER said, it was his intention very shortly to give notice, tixiug that husiuess tor a particular Atijourned. ,