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'Lord'T It utiow Vas intrecliste: bet\ve.en'tdri'Siriira t nd Lord Walsingham, and took the oaths and his seat: The Noble Lord was preceded by thelerl Marshal and Garter , King at Arms. .. HIS MAIESTV's _INDISPOSITION. Shortly.atter five o'clock; the attendance being re -ernaric, D) .lull, The Earl et CAMDEN (as President of the Coma -cil) was proceeding to lay the Report of the Council, - .teSpetting the exartiluation of the Royal Physicians, - touching the indisposition of his Majes ty‘; When it was observed by one or two of their Lordships across the table, that 81.1C11 a proceeding could not regul irlyeunder the 'present circumstances, take piece Without. the • order of the House. Atter a few words between Lord Grenville and the Noble Earl, as to the roitit of order, a motion to that ef fect was made, and the Report ordered to be laid on the table accerlingly. • It was then' ordered to be read, on the motion of the Eall of LiVERPtiOL, which was accordingly done by ;the Reading Clerk.—(Vide our Report of the pro ceedings of the House of Commens.) The Clerk having finished the reading of the Re port, The Earl of Livseroot. called ,the serious al: tention of their Lordships to the most iiripoi taut do cument Which had been jest read. On the face of the eXamination,. he - observed, three material facts were evtdent, each of which he had to press to the consideration of the House. The first was, that the Sovereign was, in his present state, incapable. of meeting his Parliament, or of exercising the Royal functions in the e traesaction of public business.— The second was, that the Most confident and tv&L grounded hopes were eutertained of his Majes ty's reeot ety and restortioti to his former state of health. The third point, espected t rte time in which .it was probable such recovery would take place. On this head, no specific tirne . or period was held out e but it.Was•certain that a ceresiderab;e amend:nem bad taken place. It would be for the delermilia eion. of their Lordships what course, under the circumstances of the_ ease, would be most tit- • title and proper to puree. He agreed with a Noble Baron. in. what stated un a former night, that - the present queStion swat be regarded. only as a choice between difficulties. No man could' be more seosible thin himself ofJfie iticoeve itiences resulting from a "suspension of the persounT exercise of the royal authority. From the evi-' dente before them, they bads every reason to Con clude that such aneestablishment, were it resolved on to be necessary, would 'be but of temporary . duration; and their Lotdilitps must all feel th e inconveniencie , :w filch must unavoidably result from such a proceeding. In 'wis view of the case; their Lordships should, throughout the whole of their pro-. ceedings, pear in wind the principle -that goveroed. the precedent of 1788 and 1789. There may e xist; he admittedircumstances, which tended to vary the state of things since that period, and liray render 3 differ._•ut app;icat on of th.it „pi - wort:lu advisable but the principle itself whicu, governed their pro ceedings should be the same. lu the case which oc - Cured in 1788, similar proceedings to the present were adopted. The examinations before the Privy Corenc:l were then, as _now, laid upon the table. —An adjournment of four ..days was then pass ed for the -purpose of considering ulterior -pro eeedince - The next step adupeed was, the ex .of his Majesty's Physicians by Com mittees of both Houses of Parliament. With respect to this mode of proceeding, boas ever, as -applicable to the present case, he thought some material differences existed between the -the present, and the occasion of 1788, which, in his judgment, rendered it advisable to inietpose a farther delay than that of fonr days.' In the former case, the indisposition of his,Mak'sty had contymed considerably longer than in the present instance. In the second place,_ though at. that . period, . strong hopes were entertained of ulti tnate recovery, yet it did not then appear that any amendment had - actually taken place at the time, and, as far as the evidence then' went,' this was apparent. The Report of the evidence this day decidedly stated the opinion of all the Physicians to be, that a considerable amendment had actually taken place. A third consideration wasohat at the former period they had nut the - advantage of judg ing what would be the termination of his Ma jesty's indisposition, by any analogy from what took place on a previous occasion, and which ad-' vantage, in point. of experience, the Physicians . have on the present occasion. Upon the con sideration'of all these circumstances, he felt it would be desirable to move an adjournment for a. longer period than was proposed in the case of 178-8. This he deemed it his duty to propose the House to do .et present, with an understareding, that if at the ex-, piration of the interval he should now propose, . there should not be such a favourable change as to induce the hope of a speedy restoration of the per - foul exercise of the Royal functions, he should deem it his further duty to move for an examination of the Royal Physicians, as adopted in thecase of .1788. This he trusted would, upon a due consider. atioe of all the circumstances of the case, iegiird it as their truest public duty to concur in. He would therefore beg leave to move, " That thks House do, at its rising, adjourn to Thursday, the 12th day of H camber." On the question being put - Earl SPENCER rose, and at some length delivered hid sentiments on the question before their Lordships. After briefly touching- upon the proceedings which were hitherto adopted, he expressed his opinion that the House was now arrived at that point at which no further steps should be taken, unless the necessity- ot -.Such proceedings were in lull proof before them; that was not thecase, he contended, at present, the Houses of Parliament could not act, though he did not pro• fess to be profoundly read in the Coneitution, with out the concurrent authority of thet well. What ever unavoidable steps they should take must be called for by the absolute necessity of the case. He then took a detailed view of the precedent of 1788, and argued that an unnecessary and unwholesome deviation from that precedent had taken place. — They had not sufficient evidence before them to war -rant the proceeding urged by' the Noble Earl, and s rongly oid he feel on this point, that he should titter his solemn protest against it. He deemed it 114) bounden duty of the Home to take the only _ „. • 'ftlathoti'tville.hid - ni*ifted, and ti4t Was ro.iscertain, by the beat :possible evidence the 'case would • admit of, 'the 'degree of Iseaessity . tl At , existed for the It:rater peceeeding's'bf 1-'1 3 ,-irliaiiienr, without I the 'cblicurrente of the. Royal AOttitolity. The adOpted•in ;1788, should be the pre sent rule of theiir-Conduct, and an .e - xamititliion .of the:Royal , Pitysielans as to the Malady With whit h . the Sovereign was agitated, should take place with ashttle farther delay as possible. _ln thepresent . state .the case, they were imperiously called upon as:: soon as possible tocoesicier - Of the te.st ,thearts . to re medy the defect 'in the,totenitutional system whiCh now unhappily existed: this it was their hrituden duty to do ; they -should consider the present state and circumstances of the -Empire ) and the great dan ger which more .than 'probably nrtzst 'attend its•go vertitnent ot neitig lotigerdeitried of ace:institutional . head ; they should not delay a moirreirt. in :pi-di:ced ing to remedy the deka, atniiinder thisConViCtion, he mast oppuse the Noble Lard's thot:on. - Hr should theivior,.. move, in .the way of amemcliiient to the - motion ) 46 that • a -Seiedt *(,;otfirtri'ttee be ap poitite&to examitie the Physicians attending 'Co hiS Nlajesty, _respecting les M-ijesy's sate of health, and to report the said ex.inititat ton to•the fi6uSe." After a shot pause ) ,on the petting of the que tion'on the ainendin-M4 Theliael - ot MotHA rose:: befell 'himself, he said, imperiously called upon to offer a few observations to their Lordships on the pres - ,ot occasion. At 'the period of the lost adjodreinent, he supported that motion .% iih the most heartfelt satisfaction; the pre sent motion fora further adjournment, an i fol - such an interval, he could not possibly; consistent with his sense of public duty,,cutiCer in With reference even to the feelings aud wishes' of the Sovereign himself he thought till hoot de, by . - proceed .to ceusidex of the best means o f supplying the defect in the gicat constineke,o defect. N6' luau in that tlOuse though of ot any measure which would tend ; as -the Nu '.•fe' Secretary seemed-. to undgine, to reducing the real power of the Sovereign , it wit, th, : it wish as it was their duty, to take care that tee- Monarchy of the country 'should be kept alive and in full vigour; their personal duty to the--Sovereign would incul cate this, and they should all take care that his Ma ' jesl should feekthat the rouleettloes o f t o, throne m.o.', not sapped, either with respect to himself or any . Of_his lloost . lfamil.y. In every view of the case, he felt it itis:duty opps se. theinOtioe of the Noble 'l4arl-oeposite. The Earrof ftAitl!OWBY followed; and argued at. some lengthen support, of the measures adopted by iMoristersoli the presertt occasiOn. He contended :there ysas no de'V - taiien from 'the principle of the precedent of 1788, and no farther cle6ation from its' line of preceeding than what was warionted, or even called for by cirouthstances. There Wass consi;- derabledifterence ut the present state of his Majesty's health and prospect of speedy amendment, and what existed at the dame state of the proceeding in the case of 1788. In the present instance its state was far wore taVOUTat*.. Besides, the physicians; ip the former instance, bad no other ground for'their opinions than their osa n, general experience in, dis orders of the kind ; bat here they hod the advantage of judging comparatively with respect to the symp toms of his Majesty's former disorder. The com parison was every way in favour of the pre=sent Occasion. The same grounds precisely. existed fur the adjournment - at present which did exist a fortnight since Did the pritreple contehde.i for by the Noble Lords preponderate in 1788 ? Instead of the adjournment of four days, not a mo ment would have been lost: The Noble Lords 'seemed to :onk only at one side of the question—Abe responsibility of Ministers should be also considered, the Country ,could be, in no way endangered by the line of. proceeding now proposed. They ha .1 an equal eye t, the pitblic safety, and wh:ch could not be better shewn than in their anxiety to obviate auy measure that might tend in any degtee to circotu scribe the constitutional powers of a Mona►eb, whose reign Providence had prolonged to the coon. try, almost beyond any lor - mer precedent. He must set his faeo against any measure .which may tend to set aside the — Lord GRENVILLE here rose to speak to‘order.-; The Noble Earl had no right to use such language, nor assume such inference, it Was-Impossible that any Noble Lord in that House could propoie a measure tending to set aside the' legitimate Sovereign of the country. Under such an assumption, on the part of any Noble Lord, be could not sit sitent. Did he live to bear such words used in that House, as that any design was entertained to set aside their lawful Monarch ! _ _ _ The; Earl of HARROWBY explained that the Noble Baron did not seem to understand his meaning; but he 'could not avoid asking was not such a mea sure as the Noble lLords appeared to contemplate tantamount to setting, for a time, the Sovereign aside—(4 loud cry front the Opposition side of " No, no, non The Noble Earl_ continued his liar of argument, when Lord HOLLAND rose, and said, he could not silently hear such assumptions. The Noble Earl had no right to_impute to those Peers who opposed the question of adjournment a design to set aside the Sovereign from his throne ! For in no other sense could he understand him. Did the Noble Lord per sist in ,such an imputation, he would move , to have Isis words taken down. The Earl of HARROWBY resumed, and observed the Noble Lord seemed to wish to visit ,the sins . of others upon his head ; but he could not regard it as perfectly fair to take such a held of language which fell from him while giving vent to his led . ings. In concluding, he observed, that the steps adopted in this crisis seemed to him the beat calcu lated to save the country, and preserve- its constitu tion inviolate. The Marquis of ABERCORN stremiously main ' tabled the doctrines laid down by Earl Harrowby. There was nothing in them to justity the charge of improper or unconstitutional ; there was nothing in them but what might be considered as merely ver bal, and it could not be denied that the Sovereign was put aside as long as the Regent exeicfsed the Royal Authority. • Lord HOLLAND contended, on the other hand, that if sucban use was to be wade of-the King's name in the debates of that House, there would be I.ONIJUN Printed by RICHARD HA 1t It IS, of No. 4, hi artlrtt-coutt. Bow-street; and Pb} the SuN-Ortqcst, No. 112, Strand, where ildvertisemews, Orders for I freedom of discussion. With regard to . the V.estion - now before their Lo.dsiiips, he Was decidedly 'of' opidion that the adjournment ought nbt 'lb AVe'pltice, and enlarged upon the inconve niehd.qs and dtingefs that might ensue from it. Ttletarl'ot WesTmortELAND supported the mo tion. ‘ tOrd DA rtNia'f was strongly against a further ad journment of fourteen days. We tegret'veey . tritic.ll that we are unable, from want of worn, to give - the details of the'rernainder of the debate.] 'Lord Gitvls:VlCl2E said, he could not withhold his e . :x l ;ression of Surprise at the hardihood of Ministers 'in bringing fierward loch a motion in such a fear ful crisis of weirs, ant liar wit bout . s . upporting the measure on the grOond of any argument. Nothing in't he shape of argument did they adduce in justrtica tion of stich condUtt. lie was therefore not a little at it IOSS . tin:Conceive how they could have brought the rOvin minds to the proposition of such a pro cteding;--;how-they could h .ve s.'en'tured to propose a measure, at once 'so degrading to their Lordships' lionse i 'sb itfitions to the hest interests of the country; So SubverSive of every •principte of the Constitution never .was a wish more Sincerely formed than that he felt and expressed, that ott the present occassion the most Del•fect , Unanimity might prevail. Many indixed tilt); indeed the nature alone of the subject, atixliAbly to look fOr 'that desired otta. ninth) , ; but he was too . sartguine in 'his etpec.- tations al it: in order to secure that unanimity, he had Made many sacrifices of what a just and Fair line of c , nduet might have demanded, and he consequently ccisunted to a further adjourn ment 'Of 1 4 days,. though 'no satitractary re:ison had bAin furnished for it. But now Ministers called u c on hini, and tho`si who thought with him, to the consistency of their conduct, and ask us, why we will nut agree to a further adjournment ol.tourieen days, merely because we asent“.l to it beiore 5 and tt•ough 'lit) , are riot able to bring for- W:irci a single argument to induce to acquiesce in the meilsure Mel. propose. _ • • 'File Loi CitANCti,LOR 'replied at considerable ►u with uttual ability, to Lord Gren ville. Lird Erskine, Lord Stanhope, and the Marquis of Lansdowne, each supported the Amendment. Tt.e Duke. of SUSSEX expressed his concern that .lie should detain the House fur a moment, but he was anxious to state the motives which induced him tO,give the vote w!tich he should on, the present oc casion: His H. had voted for the. last adjournment conceiving, that , it the King's: Sign Manual could be obtained this day., there could be, no objection to' r'he adjournment. On the present occasion, however, .he must vote for the , amendment of the Noble Lord, on this principle, that it should be knoWn into %.vlicAe hands the c tre of his Majesty's health Ntts committed, and that when he was res tored, which he hoped to God would . be speedily, ;hat the power abould be returned into his Majesty's hands, pure and un.ullied. Their Lordships then divided on the motion' • For the Atijriurnment - for the Amendment • . . . 56 Majority tur Ministers . . —32 Adjourned Thitrsday, the t 2th of December. /REACH PAPEItS. PARIS, LETTER FROM TLiE MARSHAL PRINCE 0 1 2 EtStiNG TO NI SERENE HIGLi.NESS THE MAJOR-GENERAL. " Heed-quarters, at Alenquer, Nov. 3, .aio. " MOI\SEIGNEUR—Your Highness has doubtless received the letters which I had the honour to write to you trom-Viseu and Coimbra. '" After having, on the 13th, 14th, and 15th ult. well reconnoitred, the. enemy shut •up in his en trerched camp, on the heights of Lisbon, I wrote you a long letter; but I have reason to think that it has not reached you. " I every day offer battle to the enemy, but he keeps hi‘mseli shut up in his- entrenchmnts. " I 81n just sending General Foy, with 200 men, in order to give a line of direciidn to my division of the rear-guard, commanded by General Gardanne, and to the gth corps, which is at this mortsent on the frontiers of Portugal. My orders to General Fogy' ate, that, upon' arriving at Almeida, he should leave his escort there, and proceed to Paris with all dispatch, in • order to give your Highness those de tails which you may wish on the situation of the army, and true information with regard to the ridi culous articles which we have. seen here in the Lon don newspapers. There is only one word to oppose to these reports—it is, "that they arc all a fabri cation. " The army is in good condition. Every one ri vals another in ardour and zeal, and burns with the desire to distinguish himself, and to tuerit the ap probation of the Emperor. " I am, with respe&, (Signed) " The Marshal Prince of EssLING." FROM THE MONITEUR. " The General of Brigade Foy arrived this day in Paris. He set, out from the brad-quarters'ot the_ Prince of Egsling on the 4th November. He tra versed Portugal with an escort of 200 dragoons. " He brings satisfactory news of the situation of our army. He contradiEts entirely the false accounts of every kind which the English take pleasure in disseminating in every shape. " Our army is abundantly provided. Bread, meat, rice, wine, rum, and even sugar- and cuffee, were in great abundance. There were found upon the Ta gus provisions of every description ; rice arrived from America, colonial produce, and'a great quan tity of corn. The enemy" had destroyed all the mills, 'tt !rich circumstance for some days obliged the army to live upon rice and white beans ; but since the . 20th of October the mills have been re established in sufficient number to grind thrice the quantity of corn . necessary for the consumption of the army. A great many cattle have also been found. " According to the accounts given by General For, the conduit of the English in the country inconceivable.. They have entirely laid waste, brunt, and destroyed 7U leagues of territory ;—a circurn which OleWs to the Continent the fate it would experierce, if they should ever. ob- isbed by WI LLI M A RMI CFR EC RI ['PS, South Mo ton strect, GroFvcnok rquarc. he Poe, - s for rile Szt. (post-poia), twit b... addressed. lain any influence tLere. Portugal has been ed I;ke Bengal, after the Indian fashion, (a l' l4. dienne.) " As. for the rest the English occupy, at tho 0 6 - of Lisbon, a strong position covered. w.th redoubt s , l in which they hav e collect e d can n on a t e very k i : 11 that they could pr o cur e . Th e P r i nce o f Essl' A il i o drove them at the point of th e . bay o n e t, groin meida to , th e capitali that . is to say, for th e spa c e So leagues. No obstacle has retarded his marcli.'"7 It is to this rapidity it is awing.that the tine " 1 3 of the Tagus has remait.ed unt o uched, and that d enemy had not an opportunity of ravaging an o f burning it, and which assures the subsisteno the army for four or five montUs, _ " The ,Prince .of Essiing has thrown a Vag a over the Zezere, two Ida de pout, u h clt are hir e pregnable. He 1135 also collected his magaz;i 4 e s B ci Santarem, which he is fottifying ; and has mark t out the 'positions to put it ow o f the danger -° a -Coup de main, for the purpose of assuring hl9 communications wi h his Stione places. " The English army has a great many There are also a great number of English deser ter . s ! while there is not. one . des er t e r fr o m the . Fiv e ; army. Every thing that has be e n published in tb English papers upon this subj.. 6, and on a supP ese s t4mirie, which, if we are to b e li e ve them, Il e -lasted -more than two month s ,. a te - so Ft - laq l id n a tales inverved to divert the people of EDO", from the alarms which they have conceived specting the fate of the &tilts!) army. he' " There' have been ten days rain, but, the %va t is now since become very fine. Our army has feu' 'Sick. Our cavalry is principally fed 00 111 "0 corn;of which there is great plenty : the horse s '- in good condition. " The entrenched - camp Of the .English (or. Lisbon makes their position respee - table 13111 „.0 requires to be defended by /It) or 50,000 - E"" troops. - " The English fleet, with an immense norn ber , Of transports, is ancholed i n the Tagus. Tl' e 5 vtlatrOn Of the wh.,le north. of Portu g al is bled* Libb. , n; in consequence of which an 1 ; (1 : 1 , menSe number of people are colle6ed there, is protructiVe of great disorders and a circa"'` famine. As the Getfiral Of Brigade Lacroix *as Aval k i l l on the banks of the Tagus, at Vida Franca, ili friend; he was cut in two by a cann, young General Officer was of great promise, and - death i; much regieued. " The prisoners on each side. have been e. changed." ' MAI LS. A R Waterford. Dug— i CadiZ, liri, 2 W4terford 1' 11-1. SALEM QUIS 111Cikt FALSUNt AUDEAT?. L 0 N D 0 Ai, rRIDAY, NOVEMDEA 30, 1810 ,4 WrocliorCastle, Nov. 2 9 , ' Si°, Eight o'Clock, Y. M. " His AttrusTY is not quite so well this e`'''' paid as he wa4 yesterday. " Windsor Castle; Nov. 30' of " Firs MAJESTY contjthies rhuch the same tti as he was yesterday." Signed as ti' tl3 ..t rt io , * Vie this rriciining receik.ed the following dates nteresting Letter from Bristol, of yesterdaY' i ri " Arrived thiS day•the Mary, from Lisbon are received by her, dated Lisbon,7th, a t3l'lj- i i that on the night of the 14th the French b rol`e ,,p., their Camp and began to retreat in the dite36, as was supposed, of Santarem ; that Lord W r '''' Ll o ,4 TON was in pursuit of them; and that 500 by the were ,sent up the Tagus." The C.iptain °I ov y adds, it was reported at Lisbim,,that a h e btsf firing had been heard in the French Canip tW O 114 previous to its being broke up. Government have not received any upon the subject : We have received Paris Papers to the 5-'u t ' l vt l oo ; from which we have made some extraas• m- 00 ( NAPARTE has at length found it n ecessary t ° fa :0 :11 his subjeas with something like intelligen ce :00 the Peninsula, but it is given in such a sol i ot lie way, that even the Parisia ns mus t doubt tr i of The account which BOVN A P ARTE has pub li6s6 tor° the state of the Army in Portugal is from tb 3 . i s il io' mation of a General For who had been Sent by to or SENA to Paris. We have not r oo m at P res i e fo* comment upon the • details given by Gelw ra '.. ) but our Readers will not have much - di °- 41t Y- 'l , e le seeitaining the degree of credit to Which titled, when they find him stating that < <lbere not been one deserter from .the French An* w, Yesterday both Houses of Parliament ITlth Fri consequence of the highly favourable r e i 11 1 01 his Majesty's Physicians, a further adjourno a fortnight took mace. ;4 The intelligence cont a i ne d i n our Port Liet te :ri" lj morning is not - very imp ortan t. Tn cr e is na f from. Portugal. - , ie co ° ,, N CORN-E4CHAGE, Nov. 30. 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