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IMPERIAL PA 1?, L 1 ,4OLISE OF PIERS, W • EDNEADAY, itilAY 4. In the Roxburgh Appeal, " Ker' v. Innes," Mr. Boyle was further heard for the Respondent and Sir Samuel Romilly on the lame side. Further heariui; tomorrow. The further consideration to the claim to the Ban but y. Peerage was postponed till to-morrow se'nnight. Tbift private Bills wile brought frOm the Com., tnons by Mr. Wharton, Mr. Parnell, and other Mem . bers, and read a first time. Lord HAWKItSBUDY laid on the table some:fur ther papers respe6ting Danish Vessels t whicli.were ordered to be . printed.- Adjourned 'till ita.morrow. • • • HOUSE OF COMMONS. WED,NRSDAY, MAY 4. A ballot was taken for a Committee on the Do egal Petition. Mr. CALCRAFT gave notice of A motion ott Mon day respecting the Rochefort Squadron. • Mr. .13'131;1E4ra renewed, his notice of moving cer tain FinanCial Resolutions for Thursday. A new Writ was ordered for the eleCtion. of a Knight of the Shire for Rutland, in the room of Wright, Esq, who has accepted :the C4iltern flundreds. Mr. Alderman Siis.w, presented a Petition from the Butchers of London and Westminster, against the Flaying A& now pending.—Ordered to lie on theiable. Mr. HUSKISSON presented some further Accounts respecting the Droits oc Admiralty.—Ordered to lie on the table. - - Mr. •HostcissoN moved for an 'Account of the disposal of 4;000,0001. of Exchequer Bills granted in the last Session : also an Account of the Exche quer Bills of the last Session now outstanding and unprovided for; also an Account of the Exchequer Annuity Bills outstanding and ' tinprovided for; which were ordered. He then "gave notice, that lie should move the necessary provision'for the same in the Committee of Ways and Means. The LORD AnvoniTe• of Scoil.arna moved the Order of the Day fcir the, 'l.lo4be to resolve ,itselt into a Committee to consider the expediency of mak;- ing provision by annuity for suet, Of the Scotch Judges as, by reason of superannuation, infirmity, or other cause, may retire from the Scotch Bench and that it be an instruction to the Committee to • make such provision. Mr. ABZRCROMBIE had no . oNeClion to make lis beryl provisien for the Jodges of Scotland, 6s . well as fur those or England and Ireland, who, aftera long life of arduous and laborious services to their country in that capacity, shouldtind it necessary, froni age . , or infirmity, to retire troth the duties of office.— But he particularly objeaed against any such proVi sion for the Scotch Barons of Exjchequer, whose ' duties 'were so trivial as to render their places sinecure, notwithstanding the ample salaries attaCh ed. to their situations. The only causes tried before them were merely questions of rcventte, 'ht 14 .th se BO extremely few, as to occupy, but a very . Minute' portion of their time. In fact, so trivial and insig nificant was the business of that Court cousidered, • that , its Judges were not selected from 14Auert> most eminent for their talents and for pra6tice, but rather from persons of the contrary description; and.' • even the last appointed Baron .(Norioti) bad never appeared in his bar gown and wig for twenty years preceding his elevation to the , EXobt.quer • Instead, therefore, of providing pensiens for such mem, on their retreat from sinecure'places, it would better become the House oleonuvOits, the guadian of the public purse, as a: matter of cconomY, to abridge the salaries at present annexed to their office. ' The Loan ADVOCATE of SCOTLXN defended the proposed allowance, and contended, that the duties of the Seoteh Btrons were much. more arduous than those stated by the Honourable and Learned Gen- ' tl e m a n ;: that they had not only the Revenue Laws of Seetland,,but the Revenue itself to usana,ge, and a vast extent of public accounts to He that the distinaiim would be • itividiens, and that it was owing to a mere inadvertency that the Scotch Judges were not. included in the. Bill ,for securing the Judges Pensiona in Englayd. The provittion he meant to propose was upon a much lower scale than: that allowed for the , judgei cii her- of. :England :or Ireland, being but three-fourths of the full salt& . and this would tend to render the ~ptvision less fre quent, because, if the duties were so small, it 'was the less probable that the Judges woUld. retire from the larger to the' smaller salary, Until tendered wholly incapable of duty by eld age and infirmity:. • • Mr. H. MARTIN fully agree,' ist the opinionond supported' the arguments of his fio n dtrobl e an! - Learned Friend, who spoke last but one.. Mr'. WHITBREAD' spoke . to the same effeet. He .• . thoeght it would . be tho worst species of economy, not to provide amply fear the jtidges, who .were mea Seletled from the brat-rate learning:Alto p ra w ce at the Bar,' who relinquished much in'aer6pting. their situations, and for which he thou;;ln their present salaries inad4aate ; but from the •description-given of the Scotch Barons by his'llononr,lble and Learn- , ed Friend, upon the 4ccura.cy ut whose information he could rely, he mum con , ider the proposed Pen , .•. *ions for them an abiolute job, Mr. Bo‘ii.s (the Sohc;iorqs'eneral for Scotland) and Mr. Rosi supported the - arguments ,of the Lord Advocate... Mr, FlEritri, M.SeTiN explained. . . • Mr. Nol‘DoNALn contended; that it . would be an an of folly in the House- not to ingtfire inln the ser-, yi v ee rendered, 1 which :or, the' pensions were to ,be vowe d, a ud,hoped that it, would • pause for atforms. non before it dc6ded. Mr. DurtniUf observed; that Gentlemen who bad dWelt so strongly oti the little fOrenste duty which the Judges. lt, Scotland hid to perform:, should lea that neony Offices devolved On them. a l so , and those most important and troublesome in their natures; he instanced-the passing and' auditing all public accounts they ought to be placed:far potion, .34 occurred above tote: reacts of tem that tbeScotch Barons of the Exchequer sat in jtulg... inert on Use propriety of granting t pc :,loci to a brother Judg . e.. He stated ako. that tht; Scotch Barons-were m'fati bred to. ill , . b.tr, 'which was in.. deed indiSpinsable by an Act, rilf. Queen Anne. The aeritts a ,i‘dinburgh, from ameng whom the Bs- MIS of the Exchequer were' fre.quc:orly,cliosee, and also the Court of AdmiNity, haxiiigh offici4duties irnpo don them which requiri-d4ret ltgai know ledge t at all events, wiwll Jugs were itiOtip;:!'citited through age, or idness, they certainly shuuld be su-. petsected, And'eertainly ought hot to be left by the. country without support. • Sir FRANCIS BURDETT said, he 1114 not heard one single reason . why remuneration ought to be given those, when in idleness; wile had been already amply recompenced fo the trifling duties they per= formed when in office. If persons were placed in situations requiring exertion, he supposed their remuneration was proportioned - isa that exergiiii; and "it -'should be their own look ' , nut,' when . capable :Of obtaining emolument, to 'save a sufficiency for their support in a season when such effort was irnpraaticable ; if the positive salaries _were insufficient, he - had no obje&iori to increase . them, but. he had no idea of sanc tioning that prospe&ive stimulus to premature inca- pability—a pension. Some pensions might in the iirstinstance be properly applied, when ,great exer tion called for great reward; but what wlas the con- , sequence ? nominal offices were created for the pur z pose of creating real pensions, called for la3r no ne-. .cessity hitt that of ministerial influence. He would cutoff - the praCtice altogether. As to the , Meier question at present, the House was uninfermed, and of course he would vote for its postponement until he could gain information. Ministers might call themselves liberal by this grant of unnecessarypen sions; and, that liberality was easily exerted which drew money out of anybody's pockets but their own. ffr f E Mr. WHITBREAD explained. • • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER combated chiefly the arguthents of the Hon. Baronet «•ho had just sat down, He hoped no person would agree with him, that those who were incapacitated in the public service, should be deserted in their old age. He said, the fewness of causes which had been urged, Was no reason ; as the Baron's of ►he Exchequer had other important duties in a•Ministerial capacity; he said many More causes might exist, and appealed to the Conimittee now sitting on .the subject of distil. leries, if ►ttany revenue subjects might not in future occupy the time of the *otch Judges, lie said none were fitter for the Bench than the Scotch Sheriffs, who required much legal knowledge. Dr. LAWRENCE justified the exception made to the Batuc-o of the Exchequer's recei►ing a pension. Atter a few words from Mr. MA auIATT, the House For tile Speaker's leaving , the Cluir, 63—Against It; On our re-admission into the ‘ galleiy, we found the Housein a Committee, and Mr. BA - NKE3 on his legs. He declared as a monstrous filet, that, in the frugal reign of his present Majesty, the Scotch Pen sion List alone increased eight-fold. Mr. BAiiii.Ea observed, that the Pension List of Scotland now:amounted to 40,0001. and that at the commencement of the present Reign it was only 5,0001.. He stated, that he could also point out an instance of a pension being granted on the Ilere-L dit;ryreServed Revenues, tor , the life of the grantee. Dr. LAW RIINCE opposed the Clause: Mr. W. SMITH did not consider the Barons of the &chequer in Scotland as entitled to regiring vensions. Their &flies bore little anklogy to those performed by the Judges of that Court in this Country. They were,, in tai,., rather of a financial than judicial de. seripti(;n. He wished that the grant proposed should be suspended until due enquity ‘vas made. The LORD ADVOCATE was Of opinion, that this. was not the proper time for discussing the appro. pfialton of the Hereditary Revenues in Seotland. That was a question of au entirely distinct nature 'from that now before the House. He considered the .labours of the Judges both in Eugland and Scotland as being by nu means sufficiently .re warded. • Mr.•WHITAILEAD thought there was no necessity for such extraotoinary haste in this business. It looked asif vane job were in contemplation. tie was fur suspending the grant until the whole .ot the subjet was properly investigated. As to thepro piety of granting pensions' to the Judges of St;ot land, there could be no difference of opinion ; and if any of these Gentletneu, s pending the investi , gatian, shotidd' be under the necessity of retiring, he:was persuaded thertsmould be no ObjeCtion in the House to address his Majesty togrant !din the Usual. pension His Oahu could not in the smallest 'de gree be prejudiced by the investigation. The CuAscet.t.olt of ,the Excattatmit'contended that the grant would not prevent the inquiry.; any dela) was unnecessary. He repeated that the Crown had not the' power of making (toots upon' the. List for a longer period than the life at the grautee. He ousted the House wouhl agree .with him, thk "there was no reason for delaying this usual pro Vision for a POlic,offieer but of a pubtie fund. -Mr. WINDHAM 'Could not consider the Barons of the Exchequer as proper objects io by pensioned furls thy fund now undardiseassion. They had scarcely any thing of The character of Judges in them ; they were rather auditors of accounts than expounders of the law. , Sir J. Neu roe:. and Sir. A; Pioorr spoke aglinst he Clause. • The latter said he could haVe no Ola-' jeaion to,the making due , provision for the Judges of inty,par.t . of the Empire, if it were tiken from the pmper fund. It was not to the principle, but . the apiilication of it, he nbjeCted.n' , The House then divided on the Clause Ayes, tig•—:Nues, 3.(---114:jority, 4 9 . '-The other Claitses were severally agreed to, and the 1;,i,11 reported._ • • The Payniasters" Bill was read a second time. After sotue. conversation between the CHAN-CEL* 1.6 . 1.1 _OF the EXCIIECIVEK, Mr, WINDHAM, Dr. I.,Aw. Et4Ct, and Lord PORCH Esmlt; the farther consider. orlon of• the Coratee Stipendiary Bill was 'det e rred until.tb-morrow. • 'Me Irish Assessed Taxes, Excise, and Stamp I:s l fi cs ' thus, were brought up by Mr. FOSTER, read a fi,st time, and ordered to be read a second time • - ' The Malt Duty 1111, on the Motion of Mr, HusitiissoN, was read a first time, and ordered to be read again on Monday. .I'lte/vlilitia Pay and Cloatbing, Militia Sabalterni", and Militia Adjutants', and Serjeant-Majors' Al lowance Bills, were read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time to-Morrow, LOCAL MILITIA. , . Lord Ciisrt.canitou moved the Order of the Day, for going into a Committee on this Bill. He stated that it. was not his .intention. to discuss it 'in this stage, but to go into the Committee pro Arma, and till up, the blanks. He found- it would be 'convenient to have separate Bills for England and. Scotland, and be would. therefore move, ',th a t it , shouldhe an in struetion to tho Coniniittee- to divide the Bill into two.. . . . . 'The House then went intO . the COrnrnit,e aiul Mi.Wit.iwroN brought up the separate 13i11s ; which* ,were.ortlefed to be taken into further consideralion t;ti this play sesnnight. DARDANELLES. Ur. W. TAYLOR postponed his motion mlating to the Expedition to the Dardaneflet.,lrom to:morrow, until'ttiat day se'liniglit. MAILS. - Dos-2 GOttenblifgh, z Dublin, 3 Waterford. PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY A.T TWILYIL O'4LOCK. Consols' LONDON, THURSDAY, MAY' 5, 1808. A Letter was received yesterday by a Gentleman of the first respeaability, c from Heligoland; which' states, that ,accounts .had, reached that Island from Paris of -au aetion having taken place. in the Medi- , . terranean; between 'the British and French Fleets; in which the latter were so completely defeated; that not a single Ship, escaped. It would afford the most .sincere satisfaaion to be able to confirm .this Intelligence,,but wo fear it is unfounded. - The' last accounts froin- Paris stated; that the Roche- tort and Toulon Squadrons lied returned Toulon, and s this circumstance is mentioned from so' many quarters, 'that we have little doubt of the fad. Our . Readers will find in the Haniburgh' Papers Letters. from Venice and Naples, which . give rather a vague account of the operations of the Combined Squadrons.' But the - fad, ‘'‘, have •no will turn out to, be, that the . united Squadrons did go into the Adriatic certainiT for some more important purpose than that of rais- . ing the blockade of Corfu ; but, receiving intelli gence-that the British Fleet was in pursuit of*„ them, they thought it must prudent to make the best of their war back to Toulon. Accouwrs were yesterd received from. Bayonne, which, if trice, mast remove all doubt as to the in tentions of BuoNA tewards..iltpericai, state that the French Ruler issued a Decree -at Bayonne, on the sth-ult. ordering the Seizure and Condemnation of all Anierican Vessels. This state ment does not appear . by atiy means improbable, though. We cannot vouch tier the truth of it. • ' SOME further„extradts from t Hamburgh Papers which arrived yesterday, wiil be found h a subse quettt Colitnin. The Rnifsian accounts of tie pro•- -gress of, their arm.sin.Finldnd, are in direct opPOSI tion to thme which have reached us from Sweden. The Letters from SL Petersburgh state, that the whole of Finland, with the . exception oflhe fortress of Sweaburgh, had been conquered by the Russian arms; and the Expenott of Rus eta published a Proclamation, dated the 16th of March, in Which; after reciting some frivolous grounds of complaint against Sweden, he informs. all the European Pciwern, that. from this moczent he consider 4 the former Swedish Finland, which his Troops have not been able to subdue bUt 'in consequence of several a&ions, as 14 province conquered by his arms, Which . he' incorporates for ever with his Empire..'! _Ther6 is how ever verystrong reason to believe til3t hiSlMperial 'Ma jesty has been much too precipitate on this occasion : he ought certainly to' have been quite sure that his troops had conquered' Finland, before heproceeded to annex it for-ever to his dominions. The accounts which we have received from. Sweden are of a much later date than 'those from St. Patersburgh, andthoy itate'poSitively that the Russians had retreated with considerable rapidity. The Emperor ALEXANDER appears to become every.,day more and mote the instrument of 800- Lomas., He has recently published Ukases, by which every Vessel entering a Russian Porte is made liable to confiscation it in the course - of its voyage it shall have tonebed at a Britiali Port, or have been .e'AMined by any'Britisli CrUizer.. Me accounts from Denmark are of a curious and interesting nature : BOONAPARTE. has, it appears, a - lFeady begun to`manifest some symptoms•of displea. ! sway against his zeilotis Ally . the KIN G'of DEI4SIIRS. General BERNADOTTR has had frequent conferences with his Danish Majesty, in which he complained very bitterly that the Danish Military Force was not only not in a condition to uniertake the Inrasioa of Sweden, but that it was - net even in estate to de fends Zealand from the English and Swedes; and indeed so convinced was General BERNADO;rT:IS Uf this fia,that he made (as we stated sonye tittle age) a most Precipitate retreat fr,mi Zeilath!, upan the first appearence of e British Force. That General, it leititicr, lately reptesented in the 'strongest terms to BUONtiARTS the impiaaicability of in vading Sweden from 'Zealand) but his Corsi' can Master replied, that he desired to have ne more disPatehes from him upon butt subjea, unlese they were dated from Stockholm. The 4 ' King of Penmark has already received a specimen of the.treatment he is to' exped from his Imperial' Ally. • the Spanish troops which were 'lately qua tered in , Hantauegh, received orders to march in Altona, and quarter themselves there. order, it appears, was given 'without any previoue notifica.. tion to the. Danish Government, for. the Cota 'maudant at Altona detlared that he, had received no direaions upon the aubjea. Jibe. Spanish troopgi hoWevet, entered Altotia by force, and billetted themselves upon' the inhabitants., The writers in the Continental Papers Fa conti nue to amuse thernselees upon the slibiea of the united French and Russian . F.:iPeditinn to Lei*. General NlAamoter, it is said, jeto I.e Commander in-Chief. The Letters from rtaly contain the ietelligence which we have for seme timecxpeaecj. • The tem poral power of. the Pope is at an end.' The State.; tot* the' Church are occupied by French Troops, and the Wench General Ale:mete, who commands se , y, p Rome has l ately, pu blished a 'Proclam a ti on or " dress toctla - .Pkipal,Tioops, irr which he tells. them, .that BUpICAPARTE is highly satisfied with their co . dui, ; an d thhat in future they shall, not receive orders, from. Pxiests. or. Inonen. . • - .• YgsTEßDA*:.the Traitsports with the trnops board got wider weigh frotit-iiir s wicli, but this wind_ becooattfg fiol - ,thtty-'‘yere obliged to brink up agairk cvnea - al FR A ba red yesierday evening tit'tbat: port on board the Ranger, with the iutention ofitt4.* lug the'inotrthot the wind 'permitted. Yesterdayat. twelve o'clock, their 111AsEsris4 'PrinCeSSeS AtIGI/STA, ELIZABETH, MARY, and 60*- PHIA, arrived in their tr,“ ellngcatriage. from Wind', sor, at She Queen's-Palace, where'they'were e 4 by the ROYAL P . ,CFES: At one o'clock Wl', M 4", Jasrt and the PEINCESSES went in the Duke . 0 COMEERLAND'S carriage to the apartriaents 'of Lady C% FINCH, in St. Jaraes's Purace, 'and honoured her Ladyship with a morning visit ; they were followed, soon after by the Dukes of Yonft,' enmsEpLANP, 811 d CA MaitLDUE. , A tlO klit4u some chiinney-sveepers, full diessed.in .their May' day holiday ornaments, accompanied by a drum, &C. am/dancing merrily, to the beat of it, their brushes and shovels, appeared opposite the windows of bet. L.Nlysltip, which look into Pall-mull. The novelty • of their uppearancoand noiae attracted the attentioa of .her MAJESTY and -the ROYAL FAMILY : at the .conclusion of theirAance the Duke of Ca•maiii9 92 threw • tlierra a.guigea, the, sight di, which bread/ elated the little plotessors or• - the- brush,- Soon after three o'clock the ROYAL FAMILY" left h er jadyshipla Puk; and the fineness al the Weather ,aNluced theta) to walk to York ficiuse ) to dine with ' the Itilte and' Duchess of Yong. -Herllit" l took the . DUke of YOltlt. ' arm ; gf Royal giglincis - walked with his hat in his band. They were t o ;low' ed by the MiticeSses AUGUSTA and MattY, leJniog upon the - Dttke,of CAMERIDGE's arm the Princ,,ss ELIZAESTIS Upon the Duke of COMBERLAND* 6 ! The-Duke of Strpiax arrived on! horseback Palace-yard just as'her MAJESTY and the.Patt4chlt were leaving her Ladyship's ; his Royal Hig jumped otf, and 'Concluded the Princess Sornags Miss FINCH held her MAJESTY'S, train, an , when they got to.' ,- York-kioutSe dinner *as servo up. After the - Royal 'Party Walked in 11) :-I ,tardeni behind the hou s e, and the Duke: 0 1 i i °g " let them oat of his: private door 'into the Grea t I Park, where they walked for 'sbnie time. AP" Il half pasi five o'Clock (.le3• set of i on their. wtor ll •to Windsor. .• • • • Hts NIAJESTY at two o'clOck bele a-private Le': vee at the. QuestilsiPaluce, whiCh was attended by ' The Arehbishopof I T ork, thG Lord Chancellor, the Fir i s; I 1.0 !awe Treasury, the Lord President of tie: uuw~it, Ira Chinn:elicit of thF Lxo . lelliier, the Se4;rectry e t State for 140,1,e Depart:twat, the iiiast l .(; - e nv ro h e Qrduana , I cy Lord. Chauttsertain t 04.11 tVi,nnari old Scarborough i Heatiitield and C, Sponcei; AittnivilS a nd sir ii• cir Neale; Colonels Catitud and Liroivri Cis Moorsorn• Sir S. Cotterell, and Mr. Foster. ted Tie following had the honour .olbeing pro" to Hi s MAJESTX.:'. "•: ' • The Earl of Shannen, upon coming to a nd il. ar• cotoitel Cadton, upon tits promotion, being • ders toe Ciinada, by the 'Earl of The,Eart 6/ Scarborough, upon corning to his title; ' • AM Augustus Forster, ins Atajesty's secretary of 1.01;311" o f to the Potted States ul, America, on Aus return on 1 4 : 4 " • absence. • • A, dlnlral BalercupOn his prOtnotiOn. fir Lieut.-C*lM EirolvtrA.Aid-de, , catrip to the Coininat in Chief,: 051111 U protrUitioii. Capt. Moooi, i'llVdte Secretary to Lord Mulgrave , u i wa Moor his being appointed - Colonel the LOA! Marines. His MAJSiTY held , a Privy . Coiancii, and ~at'e • &netts to the Duke of Porri.mgb, the nisters, earl - SHANNON; and Mr. ItYncit, Athiocate,. who laid before Fps, AlmasTY . tut' 1)1'. ceedingi o f several 'Courts Martiat. Soon alter six. o'clock His idAJP.SfY set Oit on --hi. ret9rn to Windsor. Two EngligitLiclieslanded at Deal on INfoadsf -, night from Holland. They g ay the Ei,,b3ro., fail been taken off - the Dutch Krts. Itlpta HOUSE.—Yederday a Coti:t Of 1) : 1 • ; ''::,g was held, wiieti- . the` todowing Common leave previous to departing for their iesp , ° I nations, viz, nAt. Monarch, Capt. Hawes, Madeira, afadris, and „ Lord Elston, %)% a pt, j. W. Yawls, Aelitbire • , WAYS AND MEANS. The House resolved into a Corntnittee'of Ways and Means. Mr. HostussdN moved, that three millions be raised by , Exchequer Bills, for the service of the present year; also that 1,500,0001. be raised. by Ex chequer Bills for the same purpose. The Committee for hearing evidence on the Peti tions against the Orders in, Council, was deferred till to-morrow.- - Adjourned. Tll E S N; ( ; Ulf Dlclax rALsuu AvDE4T?