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TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. Oxford, Nov. 19. SlTii I have been Waning in vain under an expeelaOtin of obtaining the sight of a letter'addressed by Lord Grenville to the Principal of Brazen Nose College, Which he is -said to describe at length his views in su pp o rting the . ,claims of the Catholic Body. A Liter on such a subpa, and at such a time, ought, in fairness to the University, to have been made public. Lord Grenville recollects, and, feels ho‘v hostile be has been to .their sentiments. It would be sell, - therefore, that he should explain himself,' it it were done openly : but instead of that his expoqe is read Nx it bin the circle of his own immediate frietilds only. Their account of it may be (caddy conceived; they at . - fea a sort of confidence, and give out that be Ihts ex plained himself most entirely .to their saiislattion : of this I have no kind of doubt. It is pretty plain that the persons who are bound to his Lordship by the ties of personal obligaticn and political party, will be easily - satisfied. An explanation, indeed, to those who Make no inquiries, .and a vindication to those who raise no ComplainG is surely an idle ci!remony. Among this number I could point out certain mi tred canvassers in the Grenville interest. These churchmen require no apology from their friend and patron—to them he has given no offence.. They, accuse him not of introducing a system injurious to the safety of the Constitution and the ChUrch. But the indepcndent Members of Convocation stand un der very different circumstances, and ought to look a little further. It is not enough for me that 'a list of what have , beeni styled Lord Grenville's Bishops should be hand ed a• out, and that the Principal of Brazen Nose should be made the depository of a memorial Alai, - I arn:aJt. permitted to examine. I cannot, certainly, make,a reply to the unknown conteAts of this se cret treasure. I shall therefore confine4ryself to a plain statement of matters of public 'notoriety; as they respet the conduet both of Lord Grenville and of the University, in relation to the Catholic qUes-' tion, -order that the unbiassed Members of Can vocation, though deprived of the opportunity 'of judging of his Lordship from his explanatory lettetf, may form some opinion (Alija) from the evidence of fw.ts. First, then, Lord Grenville, in March, 1805, presented to the House of Lords the PettitOn of the Irish Qatholic Body, the prayet of which in ef fe& was, that the Lrgislature would at once apply a wet sponge to the eisting Test Laws, and by 'temov lug all disabilities affeCting Papists, allow theni 'to and vote in either House of Parliament, an,i in one.word, to hold any office cr station of whatever .power, trust or. responsibility, whether in the Law'or the State, in the Artily •-or in the Navy, from the .west to sLe highes , , from that of the Gauger of . a , cik4( of tun), to those of Privy Cognsellor, Cabinet Altoister, Lord Chancellor, or Commanuer in Chief. Against the principle of this dangerous ipstova tions the University, in the.month of. May follow ing, presented a Petition to the House of Lords, in -wkiolt they declared; that: they contengslated with co :ceru are I ,aneiety,t he alarming extent of the prayer of tee Catholic Petisiert, and averred it to be their belief " that the restraints and incapacities to which Catholics were subjett, were not greater than, were indispensably necessary to the maintenance and se curity of the Protestant 'Government and Church." Lord Grenville having laid on the table of the House, the Complaints of the Catholic Body, enforced them in a most elaborate speech, with even more than or dinary measures of that earnestness and exertion, and of these powers - of argument and eloquence whic4l are so peculiarly his own. His motion was lost after a full discussion, by a very great majority, Lord Grenville insisted in the debate,: that_ the expediency . and necessity of the measure were such, that though it were then-lost, " the day could not be far distant when the objet - ts of the Petition must be attained, and that truth and reason must triumph over the prejudice of any party." I quote these expressions from what I believe to be an accurate report of his Lordship's speech. Here thenis one occasion, than which none surely can be more momentous, on which the University of Oxford, and their Noble met) have publicly,' before the legislature . and the kingdom at large, avowed opinions diametrically oaposite to each other, the former ascribing to the proposed innovation consequences the most ruinous to the fundamental interests of ,the Country, the latter insisting that obstinacy and error alone im peded the repeal a. a system of laws, in his judgment, at once oppressive and intolera e ble. The second occasion on which an open conflict broke out between the University and Lord Grenville, on the same subject, took place in the year 1807, when his Lordship, at that time prime Minister, repeated his favourite experiment, indeed, in bulk, but, only in sample, not in the ithape of.a sweeping abolition of all incapacities, but by hfiving - a-Bill brought in, by which , Catholics Were to be entrusted with very high commends in the army arideaff. Aesinst this Bill, also e the Uni versity presented a Petition to the He - use of Corn mens, and its further _progress was stopped by the dismisSitin of the. Grenville Administration. A third occasion on which the University have, in their . corporate character, marked their .aversion to this reform, succeeded shortly afieresares when they pre sented an Address to the thanking his Ma jesty " for the signal proof he had so recently given of his vigilant attention to the . security of the civil :and religious establishments ;" that is to say, in slainer • language,' for having dismissed from his. Councils a Minister, whose notions on this subject the University considered to be incompatible with the public safety. Thus did the University enter upon its Records three successive and tinifoins Resolutipns, pointed against the views, the cloarines, and the conduct of Lord Grenville. But his Lordship, with equal in difference tri the sentiments-of a very large majority in Parliameht, of the Public at large, of the Univer . shy, and i of his Majesty, still persevered,-and in the sessions of 1808, again presented to the House of lairds, the same requisitions of the Catholics—again eNertVd his eloquence in their behalf—and after his defeat, signed and placed on the Journals of this An elopement of rather a novel . nature recently took place in the family of a Dowager Lady of dis tinetion, the neighbourhood of Bedford-square ; the Cook and Butler were both of them absent when their fellow-servants assembled in the kitchen at breakfast, on Monday last. It being however perfect ly well known in the family, that they were mutual ly the victims of the tender passion, and that every preliminary had been adjusted preparatory to their. uniting their fates VI the silken bands of laymen, no extraordinary degree of surprise was-expressed at their absence, it being imagined that they were only gone to the Parish Church for-the purpose of steal ing a match. Not returning, however, at the Usual time, for waking preparation for dinner, it was thought prudent to inform the lady of the siansion of their absence, who on inquiry soon discovered, that - in addition to the loss of her clerk of the.pantry and fair goddess of the kitchen, site had other causes ' of regret ; several articles of plate and table linen, which were under the card - of the former, having also token flight with hini and his fair partner. No traces of the fugitives have pt. been di,covered. LONDON s Printed by It 1 C rARD HA KRIS, of No. 4, Martlett court. 13ow.street ; and At the SUN-OFFICE, No. ill, Strand where widverasements, Orders PcbFished by WI LLIAM ARMIGIiIt SC It i P I'S, South V 'or the Paper Lettcrs for the, Editor, Vic. (post-paia.), POLICE: , Huuse of Lords, n Protest, in which lie declared that the measure was called for by circum stances of immediate and uncontroulable neces sity." Documents such at these can neither be explained away, mistaken, nor misrepresented, and , I trust, and, indeed, firmly believe, that they will not be forgotten. ' Front this short review of what has passed on IRA ;sides, a few simple questions arise :—Does Lord Grenville still adhere to the same persuasion ?': does dic mean to renew leis efforts, so objectionable to the University ? is he. less bent on his object now than he has been ? Surely any one who enter tains a doubt on these questions, must have ill ob-• served the turn of his Lordship's character, as well as the acts of his public life. Did Lord Grenville ' gratify the King who wished to be spared the paite cif surrendering in his old age that conviction of his minks% hich he had firmly maintained throughout his whole reign, who wanted only that the remain- ....—. , der of his years - might not be embittered .by what he. Pig's, Mile; the watchman of St- Mary. le Strand, thought a dereliction of his Royal duty, who asked who is charged with being concerned with 'another merely to be allowed tolcarry with him a whole cone man in seducing 'Carolina Wilcox, when going by science to his grave ? Is guy " one absurd enough, to . th e Liverpo o l coach, from the Golden Cross Inn, imagine that Lord Grenville will relax from his pure into Si. Giles's, and robbing her of a bundle, con pose, and drop it altogether at the • instance of . the. taining 'upwards Of 2001. and her clothes, was yes- University, though he would not even suspend it to terdayeterought to rais.officee fur further examine save the feelings of the King? And „here zlet me beg the attention of the Members of Convocation to" • Carolina Wilcok said'; she Was, between 'flee and whet has recently taken place at - Dnblin. The Ca- tion. • - . • six years Since, at Roscrea, in Irelands married to her tholic Body have prepared a Petition for the_approach- husband .4dlan Wilcox .; he them belontred -to the iug Sessions of Parliament, and on the 26th of No- •d oitiiyibes West ju d iaman, and was c apta i e t ete ee, vember, resolved-se" That it should be presented to It i c i. ; l the House of Lords by Lord Grenville,;" they .furl lie was afterwards', as she had been informed, impressed from that ship at Liverpool. About two: t her resolved-t" That a Commit tee 'of elev4n should years aftei she was married, she went 'to her huV prepare a Digest of. the grievances of_ the Catholic band," - on board the Ulysses, at Portsmouth ; she re - - ' Body."' mained on 'beard that slirp shunt five months', and New I hitter I May assume that Lord Gren- tile . n went with her husband on board the Rota, it ville will comply with this request ;he is bound so Plymouth-Dock,• and supposed they were on board to do by "the tenor of his own Protest, and I will not the Rota eight or nine uionths, when her hus think so ill of his Lordship as tocencense_him cape- baud, on corniug with the Rota to Sheerness; blc of swerving so soon from himself, andabating is ‘4 . '35 sent with bthera on 'board the guard ship, those energetic tones in which lie 'delivered himself and was drafted tram her CO the BeagleBlo'op at the in the Sessions of 1808. Have the Members - Of N ore, a b out t wo years s ince-, and She had been With Con Codcation, I ask, considered the singular predica- her husband; on board the Beagle; from that time client in which they will „vine themselves, if they till last Friday se'rmight ; when the left that vessel should raise this champidn lA / the Catholic Body to i in the Downs, and the following 'clay arrived , m the honor of which he is so ambitions ? Have they London. The Beagle was paid at the Nore lest reflected how soon after that event they will become Tuesday fortnight; _ Her husband give her, On board disgraced in their oWn eyes before the Legislature, the Beagle, 2001. in new bank nines; except 61. in and indeed the who kingdom What ! ahan- cash. She only changed a guinea and a one-pound cellor of the University of Oxford preeenting hand note on the, road, the remainder was in her bunole advocating a Petition, against the principle of which , when it was stolen. While she was on board the the University has th7, - te times remonstrated ? _lf this board the Beagle, she nursed a little, boy, .who i 3 be eot a disgrace to es, I wish to know what is. now about four years old, add she understood he But suppose the University should think fit to re- was t h e C a pt a i n ' s son. She was on board the Beagle' ruonstrate a fourth time, what is then to happen ? at the attack on .the French 'fleet in the Basque Who is to lay our Petition on the Table of the House roads, and was also on board her at the capture of of Lords ? Can our Chancellor do it, the Conserve-. i Flushing, when she received a woued in het ankle for of our Rights,' the Representative of our Body ?" trout. a grape-shot. Oh, no, his hands have been long pre-occupied; they Abraham James, the ostler at the Golden-Cross; have already more than they can hold; they are quite Charing-Cross, said, that he remembered calling the "weighed down with the bulky Digest of Grievances Prosec'itrix Carolina Wilcox, on Sunday. morning brought over from rreland by Lord Fingal and Messrs. - week, about six o'clock, from the door of the Coach O'Gorman and O'Connel, and e Dr e Droffigool e .the ,l and HOrses public4iouse, St. Martin's-lane, in cone Delegates of the Irish Catholics. Are we really pre- sequence of the Liverpool coach being nearly ready pared for the broad farce to be played before the to start, and knowing she was going by it ; she fol, Parliament and people of this country, in which lowed bin) from the Coach and Horses, and he sup the:University is to be publicly disowned by her osyse posed she was following him into the Inn-yard, but Chancttllor ? Only fancy Lord,.Grenville embracing t he missed her, and could not find her when the 'coach and saluting, and s aying a th ous end agreeable,things was going off; the coach waited about ten minute s to the Irish Deputies, who, in return, declare tbJt for her. he ' shall have the Chair of the Catholic Meeting . Martha, the wife of Edward Brown, of the Black House at 'Dublin, and the Chancellorship of the Dog public-house, Drury-lane, said, she recollected College at Maynooth, while Alma Mater, unable the Prisoner, together with several other watchmen, to catch his Lordship's eye, which is known to be coming to her house on Sunday morning week, lee rather near-sighted, tired to death with standing tween six and seven o'clock; they had dime half unnoticed in the lobby of the house, and broken- pints of gin, but would only pay for two,, and left hearted, poor soul, at thisflirting and gallantry with the house without paying. She said no woman came her Catholic rivals, is by chance seen by some stray t into the house with them. Lord,. who, from good nature, and the ,comity of The Prosecutri?L explained this, by acknowledging Parliament, undertakes for this once, to present she did not go into the house, but remained on the her Petition in the absence of her friend, knit, tells her outside of 'the door, and got some milk of a woinan never to think of taking a journey from Oxford • who was passing at the time. again, unlest she can get her friends to . attend the Benjamin Potter, the servant of Nicholas Berger, - House. , the landlord of the Cock public-house, in liyot -1 411 not believe it possible for the University to streeteSt. Giles; the public-house, where the pro choose such a part as this among the dramatis per- i secutrix was taken said, on the morning of Sunday sonm' of so' ludicrous an exhibition, entertainhag ► se'unight, between six and seven o'clock, he recol enough to tbe Grenville party, bUt to us degrading leded the Prisoner, another man, whom he did not and shameful' beyond all description.. I shall add know, and Carolina Wilcox, the prosecutrix coming but a'few words more ; I have sufficiently pointed to his master's house ; they bad a pint of porter, anl, out the relation in which Lord Grenville stands; Let it be remembered, then, that he approaches us , not a half a quartern of rum, which he thought Carolina Wilcox pair' for, with ' half-a-croWn, and he gave with the kindness of ft friend, to ad with ue, but as her the change. He did not recoiled seeing Caro- an inveterate foe, to thwart and oppose us ; as a man ling Wilcox's bundle, but heard the Prisoner say, the who bids defiance to our expostulations ; who dis other, man had-taken her bundle away. , "The prose, piles our judgment, and who charges us with ob , cut rix made a great outcry fur the loss of her bundle,. stinacy, and prejudice ; as a man/who tells es; that and said, it contained cash and notes, to the amount, we must think with him, or not presume to think of 2001. The Prisoner soon after followed the at all. If we stand our ground, Lord Grenyille can not succeed, and our independency/ at least, wilt ' other man. The prosecutrix remained in the• house about half an hour, when a man in a sailor's be secure from him ; if we give way, the Grenville dress, who was in the house, seeing her distressed. ites will obtain asignal victory over our own under state., took her home with him. 'standing and consistency, our dignity and honour : 11 . ' . he Prisoner was committed for further examine a day, ...Indeed, of bouhdless triumph for them— but foe the University of Oxford a day of sackcloth """ . . .Several Gentlemen subscribed to the prosecutrix. and ashes. AN :MASKED BALL INDEFENDENT MEMBER,OF CONVOCATION. • PRACAS. IMARLDUR6LIGH - STREET, -Nov. So.—Mi. Samuel a clerk in the office of Mr. Silk, Proaor, Bell-court, Doetore-COmmons, Was charged with assaulting John Patten, a private belonging to the Foot Guards,. early in the, morning in the Pantheon. It appeared that the Defendant had been paying his devotion to Bacchus, and walking in sound of the ' music , at the Pantheon, he was attraCted there, and being re solved to go in character, he gave a soldier 54. to lend him his jacket and cap ; they exchanged clothes, and .the Produr being equipped-, walked in without cere mony, forgetting to pay hivadmission. He was soon, perceived not 'to have a military air, having un fortunately, got a stoop by leaning over the desk, a. party of the Guards were sent into the ball-room to bring the prisoner out'. The Prosecutor was one of them ; and the prisoner Struck him e he was taken to the watch-house.. Mr. Samuel, in his defence, said, he had not any recolleEtion of what had passed, after fie exchanged clothes with the: soldier, for which he'paid him ss. ; that be was in a complete state of intoxication, an d was perfeetly insensible of what had passed until this morning. . • Be was ordered to find bail. , . RIO TS IN COVENT-GARDEN THEATRE. BOW-STREET,. NOV. 30.—John Mnfris, a dell belonging to the Warrant-Office, S'omerset-place, was charged with assaulting Mr. Carpenter, in the pit of the Theatre. Thomas Carpenter, New-street, Covent-Garden, deposed that the prisoner had, several titnes, , during the performanCe of the Atierpiece at Covent-Garden Theatre, in the pit, pushed another person against `him in a violent manner. He asketl what be Meant by pushing another ptson against him -? He denied he had done - so ;. on which the witness told hitn it was alie, for. he saw: him in the ad . ; ou which thitprisoner challenged him to fight. 'lanes Osborne, builder; Aldersgate-street, tOborated the testimony of Carpenter. The piisoner was Ordered to find bail, whiche imtnediately complied with, and was diScharged. FASHIONS for LJDIES. FROM " ACKERMANN'S,REPOSITORY OF ARTS, FASIIIO.NSI MAIsIUF•CTUXES," £C. A TYROLtsz a.wac, Dicv.ss..-A fine cambric or jkor,' not niuslih round robe, with long plaited sleeves, and work ed antique front bordered at the feet with needle-wink or appliqued lace. Elastic belt. confine,l behind with a boti! and ends of ribbOn. ' A plain shirt, with high collar, sit tang close to the throat, and trimmed at the extreme edge with a, plaiting of French net. A rosary and cross of blended gold and amber. A Tyrolese coat of shaded green, or drake's.neeli • velvet, lined throng,hout with amber sinsnct, and trimmel with gold or Chinese floss binding. Time Amazonian hel met, composed of the same materials, ornamented with a par ttioti_: baud and bow, towards one side ; a curled ostri ch' feather, tipped with gold, on the other. Slippers of amber velvet, with black bindings and rosettes. • Gloves of York. tan. • EvENtate DREss.—A white satin round robe, with demi traint. A short sleeve of inter joined lace and gold beading; A military front,‘composed of gold cord and frogs. A vele rine of white satin, with full collar, and border ofswans down, and a rich cord and tassel of gold. A Grecian coif of white satin, with appliqued border of lace, and band and 'crescent of pearls. A long sleeve of French lace, 'or a long glove Of French kid, with bracelets and necklace of pear L- r-. -. Crimson - slippers, with gold imperial •trianntug: 'lvory fan , . with mount of crimson crape, ornamented with a border of • gold jessamine. GENERAL OuszavAtioNs..—l must congratulate nit fair readers on the dawn of a better taste, as it regards Whit e ' fashions. I observe with pleasure that crimson, •purp . lei , dark green, and brown, are likely to becoMe the prevailtn% colours, with borders of black, gold; or ermine ; and 11 11 1 scarlet, that terrible destroyer of feMale beauty, grace, an:: 'elegance, is consigned, I hope for ever, ," to the tomb of the Capulets. FltOM A CORRESPONDENT.-About ten years a 0 a junatiob Of,the Rivets Thames and Medway, by s Canal from Gravesend lt)chester, was prbie6teaf btlt irbin various, canSes.this u,e(ul scheme was after wads nearly abandoned. About eighteen niontli; 'since, a spirited individnal.raiied it again into action' and, with the assistance of some wh6 had alway s seen its, value, recornmencd this prolinsing N vort.- We have now the satisfaction to state; that o n Nlow; 'clay last, at, 'C'raveit'etiil, the First Stbne .was laid 01 the Entrance Lock to the . Basin, br Dock, of thq .Canal, which will crosely unite the above importan t rivers., Iris. Canal, of less than seven miles, ill lent); will save a long and often dangerous voyage rouuti . the Nom, of nearly fifty miles.; conveying , timber; bops; corn, and the other produce of. tb e; , 'County of Kent, (whose motto is "IwvicTA,") indeed, merchandize of every description, ;to 311" froni the London market, and 'other places, in a shol l and certain titne. 'The Ghanaian and Committee perf&trieci thef t lemony of laying the stone, at two o'clock, arni — , 6 the ringing at bells and the acclaniations ot. a iiitb toncOurse of qieelaigis, On the Stone graved ' This ichti Stone of the Entrance Lock to the. C 2 " - ltniting the Rivt.,rs T (tames and Isiledway, Was laid on the 07 14 day all - Noienther, 3,209, by JOSEPH STONARD, Esti. Chairniani and tftE COMNITTEE; 12ALYI-1 WALK.EIt, Engumer." the current coins of the realm—gbld; silver, copper, together with the, medals conunemor"L iti r the; grand liationil Jubilee of the, 25t - h Ocin e o ; 1809, on our gracious Sovereign Gsdatio Titritri. entering the fiftieth year of his S tu ' 0.,,t„ reign, were deposited in a glass vase placed ill the ..._ To detail the numerous advantages whit.. 1. . tion, and.more particularly the counties within i!t immediate spliere, will derive from this canal; within far exceed our limits.—The ,Royal Dockl atda si Chatham, Deptford, have an A e v 4 and safe communication with each other, an" ‘: hope in due . course to record the completion 0 td work, which we consider conducive in _its degree the prosperity of a kingdom justly famed for internal and external commerce.' On the same day that the pcopla of England celebrating their happy Jubilee, eating roast beefaila .Lord CowNGWOOP was. ' no JC 5 9 happily employed in carving up Admiral I.iAvolS° fleet in the Mediterranean. • The following daring robbery was committed • Friday evening last :—Two men, fashionably date' ed, went into a haberdasher's shop in Neceep there =- werestreet, in which there =- were only two young'w os/, behind the counter, and whilst one of them w 35, e,l gaging their attention in looking at some artf c l _which he'pretended to want to purchase , the 01b . took .up a large parcel of silk handkerchiefs wloo were lying on the counter,-and ran out of the stO with,tltew; the. first man then pulling a pistol ot) of his pocket, declared he •would 61toot_the first a/tempted to give any alarm. When he though t' ll companion was out of .danger of pursuit, he also 'r 3 , off, and, both ofthern escaped. , • The handkerOici were worth upwards of 201. SHIP NEWS. a.f.V64INp v ,,Zi9V ZMAER. 29. g ArriftethLthe Tsayetier, reneKfre; ClaJprnatt s and Nlinerva,"S , ..• , tt; tronk Middlebro'. tt Sahel!—the Carlhy, Dower, ter Martinique; and the notny, Koss, for Dernerar3. . j ntx.l ()n Tueday the 21St ult. the Lad' . of, Mr. 11. ti e r thorpe, ji n n. - au Son. , • , je rt: On Friday last, at High Canc;ns, in the County r„ r , 6 the batty or Hcu lionhain, a itti OP the iStli ult. at 'Cady France:s' liarper's the A. - • Wiilisin: Denney, Lsci. 'ot a o.atti.;,litor.' • On Wedneaday morning, .at St. C.ifirges,Church , ver-square, Lichtenarit.Culunel 41' the 4.101: lteo rc ment, to Miss . I.roubritige r only dAuglite'r--4.1 . Titoins 'lrootyid4e, ar. • Lati•ly, at 'Woodbur l3 t y, Devonshire; Nathaniel Esq..33Aoker, at. ramsgate; to . Sophia, secant daugl it Captain ReeNTt, of the itoyai Navy. On the t4th of Oaobet, on his way carne for th: of hiS health, Lieutenant - John burgh, Erebus, .secund sort of the Ee. 4 l• of entre. A • On the tsth ult. at Ctoydn, Surrey, in the 3 S th"'4. :' his ihr.e, Edmund terrers, Esq. of PeitdOivu, to the 01 Sussex. r, On Ilia aoth .ult. at Silninuth; tved 54, 6, ' 4 “ .176 ' Esq. of Cleveland tow, St. James's. 'N I On friday lest, at tier houbt re Belvidr, OA' )'.. Perry, widow. of Henry Ferry, Ea.!, I.tikC" ll " ll— ' Prince hdw;ucl's 'olton•street, G nriteno >ccikune. must be addresmt.