The Sun. — London, England, 1818-03-06 00:00:00

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It tvas stilted Report °I the Committee of the HOimse imf "Lords. last ''ear, alluding h . ) the conduct of Spies; that they, in some instances, encomtra.ged'crimes Which they were intended only co prevent. The smile thing "'as stated in various petition's presented to the - "nose, and time persons who stated it offered to vlgrolettetel l the 'extent "e L e v stated of t ' e t a ket Mi nisters was furnished by hired spies and informers, ant i agents of the Pidice• What spi,:S.wete - was 2 'cr prett y well known. W ere Police. agents 11 Pr.e creditable ? -11Tere there not instances of tu ele agents inciting Unfortunate individuals to eotnmit crimes in the hope of participating in the ewattl for their conv,iction ?—Peritap,s the House .: I TAS not aware of the amount of these rewards ; : r hat th ere were instances of three hundred pounds beefing given frir a . single Tyburn ticket,' He did mean to say that the disturbances the itortliern counties were to be attributed solely to th e agents of Government. He did not mean to sa y that its the home - 11;e population of Lancashire a'anng the 900,000 inhabitants which it contain; , e 'im there Might not he found some ready enough I f: e ngage in mischievous projects. -Bat ail the thte respecting time state'ot Lancashire showed, liotwit ['standing the efforts of the spies, only ' t 'Persons were hound ready to engage imp th e ir it ' s igus. Ail t h at w a s woofed ).va4 a strict, rigid, t , )) ; 1 impartial i nqu i r y, to show th em wh e r e t h e tlt of these designs properly 'attached. lie did i tot mean to Say that his Maiesty's"Miimisters could iav e treated a plmit,•if the elenicnts of a plot had t (4 previously exist e d. But this he would say, Cat the - plots wet e most convenient to Ministers, diverting the public mind from plans of econo , ml and retreticimment ; and having boen thus con . center,!, it tvas very natural that Ministers should 1 - "nle forward to s cre en those agents who had I t'en so use f u l i n f oment i ng t h ese plots. lie coo t 4 ' l 'qed by moving " time House, taking into "fmasideration time Reports of the Secret Cons ' /1 1 1t tees of tim e la s t S ess io n , an d t h e Report of-the mmq the Committee, communicated to this Mos!: 23d June last„ so far as related to the en i()"r4geimmt;nt afforded to dkaffection by persons ;4 the -employment - of Government ; and also 4k ing into con s id e rati o n th e a lle ga ti on s i n t h e !Mel onsi pet i t i ons upon t h e saute subject, thought i t l 'ecessary that an Inquiry shoul d: he institutedlH° practi c e s of so alarming a tendency." 11. . F. -RoBtNSON said, that since lie bad the itotiommr, of a seat in this 1-lonse, li did tmot.recol iect any instance of a more extraordinary proceed rl'; ti l i to t h at o f the Hon,aentlensau xvimo brought t (4, var i l this motion. The lionse lotti,t recollect * , par a d e w ith which the subject was first brought I t n''Var ( l 7 ---the tart and paramount importance v Mich was attacitetl to i t by the Gentlemen on time opposite lo n g and 'mi. , tL i ‘ lt e deta ilsintO which the lion. Gentleman him -f had entered *Ton the sub j ect, and yet after a ll Ibis, what had he- now brought ; for ward The /lion Munchesttr, upon which the t ub e wa s nrai a ly to nw h e d, was couched in vague, ."' 44 11 general terms. it affected; indeed, as 1 1 3 P'aitt an a i r as if i t re p resente d t h e sense o f t: e I t v itolgpopulation of Manchester and its neigh -411.n00d. altho u gh in f a ct i t w as on ly s i gne d by I%,velitY-six persons, —(Hcar !)—it stated that they had instittited a light inquiry into .all time cir- NtnstAliCeS compmeheuded in time petition ; and it the jjottse the favo.4 to:state. that the result .;:r thi s iniptiry was,, that'no treasonable designs N 4 ,1 been harboured, and no atrocity projeetad in l lttchest e r, b u t by hiremi s n i t: - an d i n f ormers b,f (30 Yerntnent. . :Such Was the general statement t he petitiovers: But they did .not deign to ite th e forma stir mode of their inquiry, nor the t o tlntis Oil ' 'S hid) IteV cameto 'th nis coclusion, (/' the species 'of evidence which-they were pre 1, • tea to. bring forward, if the inquiry f or wimich 'Y wished was - granted. The lion. Geidle 44111,himselt was well a ware of thesedeficienciei ; e ll( ' therefor e lie opened the case o f th e petition tir3 vrith his elahorate.comments upon the peti -1;411, and hi s m i nute ( r eta il s o f f acts , whit!) he i ` . "'Wsed _to sitbstantiate, and which he gave no tee he intended to ca ll u p on time House to ' give ioni opnortunity of proving. But when be Oil that he could not follow his statements Proof. he saw that he most changeliis ground. tlll !lieu it was that the lion. Gentleman,-with a faCe, can down to the Hove to. alter the t‘ i t "l'e of his notice ; for cite purpose, as• he stet °l' making it more precise ; b u t, i n p o i nt of -1:1, completely to abandon the gromicl. which !me taken. ----- (Cheering on the Ministetial m it , (n ches !)—Amid why ? Was it not because he 1 . 1 " 4 knew that the stories of the petitioners could 1 41 t It he supported ; that the ground which he had, could_not be -maintained ? Only let- the (f ti 'e recollect the elaborate speech of time Hon. tielliletnan when be presented the' petition. and I: long story about a man of the name of Dew !tuh'rst, who had been carried to General Byog - iir 1. 1 : t officer's gig;' and_ qabout another man of the . 'e of Lotriax, who he said was a hired spy., t had th e H o n.' G ent l em a n .no to say to te ' e s " w stories ? Si) far as General Byng w as can 11..tned. he had now t o ld th e Kull) ; all the .rest w es a fabrication.. —{Loud cheers !}--The' whole that story s was false.—(Loud cheers. !)-eNay, ratan of the name .of . Dewirimrst • was. I:wn so General livitg or to Gover n n t ent. A s t o (I, rti nx, the Hon. Uentleman most now ti m ow fr om . r eral Bytig that that man was no spy ; or it 14:;, 1101 1. Gentleman did not know it . before, he ti o 'W it now.--(1-1ear, hear, from the !)'--Whatey er schemes Lomax was coneertred q vv katever atrocities - Ise contempl.ated, lie rlici. 11 ' a " a conspir a t or , an d not a spy. I t was taste ) l ( ti t °o the 17th of M n a rch this ma wrote n letter t Ol , Sidmouth, offering to commonicate 1 ; this letter was not answered. On ' 2B th of Mar c h Lomax was arrested w i t h seve diic ( „ niers, an d a f ter b e i ng exatnined was released; t here ended the whole communication be - - ip tent I .4nmax and the Magistrates, or th e Govern mlr)tme T h ere t me h ere t me lie a ffirmed that all„timat, was by L omax W as d one by him as a co n . s pi rat or, IC P ot as'a spy---a spy he never was, 'Thus, those two cases broke down under the .Hon. wiH) them Went e t p h e e ti e t t i e o d n i . t tiZ lr t;lnan,' and "` Was due t o th e r i g id inquiry of cars, and 411 possible reason. for i'eferenig the case to a Committec.—(Hear, hear, hear !)—The pe titioners stated that oot hitt atrocious etas pro itosed but !sett tile petitioners them selvt 8, and. theauentorable .speech of the Ilottour able Gentleman', admitted that atrocious proposi tions hadlieen matte, althorgh‘ it was, said they were rejected with scorn and horror. It this Were true, why did not the Petitioners denounce the persons who inatlesocis horrible propositions ? —(Lund cries of Hear, hear!)—As to the Petition of Bamford; it 'stared that it was through; the in formation ut Lomax that he .was arrested : now the warrant,.ot the Secretary of State against Bamford, on which he was arrested, was dated the 20th of Marcit'; Lomax was arrested on the preceding day, and gave' her informatiOn till his examination, after beiog arrested on the 28th 411 - - June ; so it was to be judged 'what credit was dire to the assertion that he was arrested ori _the information of Lomax, for the 'thing WA's . considering'. the 'date of the Warrant There ivere two otber.Petitions, one from Mit chell and one - from Scholes. Mitchell's contained an account of lirs connexion with Oliver, to which rite vet y date of 'his : arrest, if there Were no thing else, proved that no credit .was, due. But Scholes, in his Petition, told a very, dilfetent story, and gave some infortnation . relative to ;NI it chell's objects. "Scholes . stated positively , it, his Petition, that Mitchell wrote its his own hand from'Scholes's house letters appointing meetings; No matter which of the two Petitions were to be believed, both together shelved shaleiently what bad been the conduct, and what was the charac~ ter of the Petitioners. .lint besides these, there was another worthy Gentleman of the same itn maculate character with Mr. Francis IVard.-- The person to whom he 'alluded was Mr. Haines, who professed in Iris Petition, a g7eat regard for religion, and whose petition, by a he way, was written in the Same hand . with that Of the re spectable Mr Wald. but this Mr. Haines, it un fortunately happened, bad been guilty of perjury. —(Hear, hear !)—ln }SIG, two wen, Towit and Slitter, were tried for tiring at a man its a trame- . breaking disturbance. TOwn aviS condemned ; Slater acquitted, on. account of an.alibi proved by. Haines. lint, in the mean time, further evideuce against Haines was product!, and a: the next Seisimis he was tried for the Minor 'offence - of leathe-breaking;, at the very time an d place w her e the former Crime was' committed; of which he had been acquitted by an. alibi, anti on .this second trial he ,:leaded guilty ; thus adinitting tire per jhry of Haines. Sod' then Were the Petirions upon which this motion was fouoded Such were the Petitions which the Hon: Gentlem a n moved should be referred to a Constnittee—(NO, no ! from Mr. Phillips,)—At lean 'that reds rlie mo tion of, which he had give`n not ice —(Loud cries of Hear, hear !)—at least these Vetitioos were the grOunds of the motion,_ else why din rite Hon. G.‘,•otlentan set c u t haVin t - , them - read ? The Petitions were all false ; therefore he tailed upon the House, in behalf of a calui»niated Govern ment —in hellish ola calumniated Magi,4rtley—oh'be halt of the sacred .names of truth and justice, to reject this motion.—(Load chee - riug.), Mr. F. Donoeas said, that - the Hot,. Gentle man who spoke last otsly pro - ved that Dewhtirst had no: been in Geueral liyng's gig. Although Lomax was dead, he had proofs of that person being deeply implicated in fomenting the . disturb ances —(Calls of where ? where ? front the Minis terisl had indeed been arrest ed, but then he was almost immediately released. It might be very true that Haines was perjtared, but who was ? There was no Pet itiontront him before the House, As a proof that for the three months the state of the country did not justify the continued detention of iudividuals, he referred to Ow collectiou of Newspaper paragraphs which the Committee Ital Chosen to dignify by the na me of a Report.. He contended that the only part of the country Where any thing like an insurrection had hrokeo out, -was that which had been the theatre of Oliver's machina tious. What spirit must it Cut have given to the diacontented, to be told that a connexion, of which they had no idea, existed het wee,' them and the metropolis, and ,that :70,000, men were ready to march-. to. their support. It Oliver and rhis col leagues, having exceeded their instructions and !towels, were protected by .Ministers, on those Ministers 'artist, fall the is hole responsibility.— Thtts much; however, had been proved, and he hoped the House Ivould con•ider it deeply, that they could not sutpend . the Habeas Corpus with out introdneisng the system of spies and informers, ,and that tTratiny could not he established in Eng land without its concomitant trails of privAte treachery and public vice —4le acknowledged that informers might be necessary, but their conduct teas different from that e; . spies, trim going amongst those by who:a they were not known, must assume stone character, and make unfounded and dangerous re . orestattations, iii order to gain their confidence. What could the triode country think when they saw the Noble Secretary of State for the Home Department, , a man remarkable for his morality and religion,, entering into a reciprocity of good offices .with r.ffians such as those, and prostituting his Am rality and• religion to protect them ? Woold it , not Aake_a way from the respect due_ .to Isis ratili And c h ar a cter ? ‘Vould.it not encourage .lower. individuals, exposed to constant temptations, to ; procure their daily bread, to follow the exan,Ple given from so high rod digoilicd a quarter ? Would not the police officeritave his Oliver, and appease' his,o tvn conscience by referring to what the Nol4e. 'Secretary - (1 done ? IVould he not'stty,' . ttiat. if :indivithials had suffered innocently, yet they had .the.intention of crime ? .As . to what was o f a system of prevention, it was, incompatible with the BrifiSh Constitution. Prevention Would often 'be the punishment of the innocent, whilst punishment, accordiug to tire . present nnule, could only be the reward of the criminal. He did not accuse Ministers of de'signedly ettiplciying means to produco insarredion ; but he accused them of casting tirebrauda amidst combustibles — of receiving information with a perverted hips— of calling insurrection what Was Mere sedition ; and of reading a letter to the House, and keeping hack another: All these., were sufficient grounds for iutu the inquiry which ba Finn. Friend proposed. Mr. BLAqUir.TRN ton'tettited that tine pteser,ted by the Hon. Gentleman did not express the 'sentiments of the. respectable inhaititants of Manchester, 285 cif Whoirt (he - Was understood to state) had already signed a•Connter•declatatiOn. He then Ica& a: letter signed by three Manchester magistrates, and written'to refute the .allegations made by the flon. Gentleman (Mr. Phillips) in .his opening speech, when . presenting the petition. The letter stated that. that speech had - not only been republished at Manchester, but printed on separate sheets, and sold at a price calcidated to secure its cirCulation.-.(Hear, hear 1 .)-*It .. then explained ihat several legnisitions had been'pre sented to the Chief . ;Magistrate of that town, signet) by some hundreds of lite loWer classes only, and desirinza meeting to be . called.. That the reqnest had been r e je cte d, but an intention expressed td do every thing possilitesfor the relief ,of the inever orders. That subs'eriptions had consequently' b een . set on foot, .and ,that their amount had been higher than on a'n ft; riner That seditious pamphlets had thetrheen imlustrionslycirculaterl, one of which in partici'. lar justified all the ethirniitieS of' the French 'Re- • volution under the.plea of necessity. That' two' or three meetings hadrhen been held in the fields 1 without,a.ny interference On the part of the police officers ; that those meetings (tad not hceii called by 'spies inforthersr, and that no information had been communicated to Government, brit what was authentic and important. Mr War. CoUIieTN.AT could not see on what grounds the Home was called ()poll to enter into at. inquiry, at a time .when the conn•ry was drawing tai a close of those transactions which had certainly been disastrous, but the issue of which' was, so much more 'favourable than some months r ago it could have been anticipated. When the•allt•ga lions contained in the petitions had- turned out to be unfounded, the Hon. Gentleman had'said his motion should proceed . on the general sense of the country. The wit the wets tltuy reduced .to a mat ter of opinion. He thought the sense of, the country was very different from what the Hon. Gentleman had represe . tited, and his opinion was pretty well supported bY What had just been stat• ed respecting the sentiments of the iwitabitants of Manchester, 'the .very spot whence the petition proceeded. •He contended, that the burden of proving tile necessity of inquiry rested with those who called for it, and that they had not yet made out 'sufficient grounds bin going into it. He did not think it inconsistent with the British Constitution to prevenr.ollences,. and . he conceived that the tneasures adopted ‘by Miui§ters had produced that effect. • Lord LASCELLES, on comparing the speech of the Hon. Mover, when he had presented the Pe tition, with that which he ha.d made this night, could not help thinking that he had abandoned the whole of his case, and must feel that he was not likely to be strongly supported. His Lordship then referred to what - had been .said respecting General ; ilyng, who bad been rightly represented as uniting in hih;sdt the General and the Citizen, and whose. Conduct had been a pattern of iirn dence;moderation,,anil activity. To that officer, not only' the ihanks of the country were clue, but those of the deluded men themselves, for it was his. vittiLiktee r which bad prevented the thisfortnnes by whielt they might other - Wise haVe - beett over taken. As to spies, be . abhorred them ;as sin cerely as the Hon. Geniletuan, and agreed that they ought no! to 'be employed to conSey it mass of conilmstibles, but to girt information, and pre vent that mass from exploding. Having - seen mush of the _evidence, he must say that a great portion of what was attributed to Oliver was mere clamour, and fhtitif his conduet tended to excite the h.pes of the discontented, it was with out the knowledge, and contrary to the intentions of the Government. _ Mr. Pumurs explained. Lord MILTON conceived that the Report of the Secret Committee, ° and the •Petitions before the I - louse, formed sufficient 'grounds to justify in quiry. The conduct of Government' was' extra ordinary ; they allowed the House to inquire into every thing else'but the conduct of 01,0- spies.--: Now, if there was an engine of Government which the House should view with „jealousy and suspi cion, it should be the eniployment of persons of such a description. Lir believed! Oliver had acted as a match to a train of combustible matter. He 'had gone down. as the -London Delegate, and .by the-bye Government knew it, for they had given previous notice in the country that he would pre. , sent himself as such, and as such should not lie arrested. 'llae real fact was, that Ministers .were afraid lest those transactions slitinld be in quired into, and it s!onlir be seen bow improvi dent they had been, and how ready to listen .to the tales of persons whO wished to curry. their , favour, and whom they no,;, wished to protect, .not 'only front the effects . of Parliamentary inYe's tigation, but iron the operation of the Lord SrSr,tNLBY, in giving his vote fvr the mo tion, stated that be did not accuse his Majesty' s Ministers of having employed spies for the pur pose of creating insurrectio . r.. He believed them to have credited the information which they !dad received, but blamed them for not inquiring pro perly into the nature of the - sources 'Whence it flowed. . lUi. 13P.NNET:said, be had sources otinforma- . lion more correct than those of Ministers, .and l 'had witnesses by whom he ahoii b l; be able to prove the falsehoOds and infamy of the Ghirerti ;Meta spies, awl their ;itlempts to stir up insurrec-; tiou. Instead of coining there, like some of the Ministers, with dt.;ad Men's talei,-to convict the' diving, he should bring witnesses of res . pectable, characters, who had nor ken i.itplicated in any. of the transactions in question. These persons would give a hist'ory of the campaign' made last summer by Oliver, under the -auspices ,Of the Home Secretary, if they were admitted to tbebar of that "louse ; and then there- could be but one verdict, and that would he a verdict of guilt against Ministers and their agents; Ile siontid • prove ' that Oliver, hwl caused the me.rting , at Thornhill Lees, and that persons bad been u, just ly taken up on his information. He Irad a biter. front a Gentleman, who was ready to prove, that lie hOard Oliver say, it was of no use to 'look to the House of,Coinnions for redress ; ,but that the peopif mist depend on their physical force, and that should be a great crash. It was a very re . , ~. . . . markabk circumstance, that the very instant Oli. vet. wititdiew'hiinsrlf frogo the H., - ces wbert , L0n .... • • s/iiraries and i ‘ ilsort-ectiolis were said to have pre. ~. vailed, all was peace aoLl quiet, as it it 'were by enchantnient.. . . RATtatasT observed, that the Han. Gentle. lotan,Opp'osite hadoot named his witnesses, whose innoceime he vouched for; and he (.b.tr„ B.) had a right to sof - 3 , 015e that th.y were impliewed as writ Has the - people who itad beet; 'taken up. How ccithl `they Ii the got their information ? Muit tit y not have teen- preent at the meetings of the disafa fected pet s ons? aiil, tltereiore, ar t y must have" had souse share in the . deliberations. 'the Ho nOurahle Gentleman's 101°0060o; :then, tnttst come from . sPi,es: Of his own, who trete just as muCh deserVimi; of credi.r as the tii-es_ot Govern. titent. It wasttie ditty (.o(46vernm, to avail them selves of the information gi%e,t sty spies. Here Mr. 13. quoted •the opia , ion of Chiet Justice int the time of•Kiltg and . of Chief Justice ti•Yre; in 1794, to,show• that it was alWays tteces.. Siiry for the safety of - ^a state to enwlity spies, and. that the evidence of. stich men WAS admissible in. Cotirti of jitstiee. With•reg;ard to Go— ventotetq had no reason to suppose that -he lust ever forfeited his Clatter as a respectable inch vidual.--Govertnneut might have acted ou the in 'formation of one witness in taking 'men up then they et;uld not be tiled for treason withonc the - evidence of two witnesses. On :the 'whole, he oli:tint;iiedtheresivas no g round foe the pre sent motion. . . Mr. W. SMITH declared, that before the lreport of the 'Committee of last Sestion, it came to his Vmuwleuge., that not only the evidence; but that the moral character of. Oliver hadl been im peached; and that information he had laid before the Secret Committee. He had 'stattf, and he. could now pinve, that . Oliver had been guilty 'of' a series of frauds upon his employer. lie had 'witnesses' to prove the fact. The witnesses who 'could prove this were four in (lumber; they stated there, was no Man who could miS up so muck cleverness and plausibility, with a total disro. lard to truth-and principle. One Of these wit nes,ses was in one of the first commercial Concerns in London ; the other was his - son ; the third was a respectable solicitor ; and .the - fourth was Oliver's employer, who had in 1812 preferred font isidicunents against that man, but withdrew them afterwards, because it was more suitable to his , private interest, and that was the only blam'e able act . done by 'the' employer. • The charges against ,Oliver had come before an arbitrator ; - who, in his award, declared that . by false entHes and other- frauds . Oliver had taken away 305/. front his employer ; which sum, the, arbitrator awarded against bint.• In the course of ten years, he had, small errors mule on his own %ide, con verted tliat money to his 'met) use. 'the. name of the employer was RustalLa carpenter bhd buildcite Another circumstance stated by Nilson, was, that Oliver had . brought'forward his own daughter to make a false oath before, the referee; and that his daughter afterwards came to ,install, and de clared to him that she swore falsely, and that her father. made her swear falsely. Atter theSt; facts, which could.be proved, it was impossible for, him not to support the motion for inquiry. Mr. BkTIJURST Said that 'lnstall, the employee' Of Oliver, had. been •cothpelled by the arbitrator to pay the wht ! le,costs of the tour itedictm , ent; and that he (Riiiiidl) . had the •secutity oftwo .per , sons for any deficiency that might be awarded against Oliver.• Respecting the danghter, the Right •Honourable . Gentleman read the,minutes•of berexasnination, which stated, that Rustell took her father's books ..anti papers away, and he ar gued that this exathination affOrded nothing lit proof that her father had suborned her. When the businesS was brought forward in the Court of Kiug . 's 'Bench the rule against Rustall Was 'di's . - Charged with costs, Oliver 'undertaking• - not to firin g another action.. - Mr. W. SMITH replied, that . he was confident,, it this Case was investigated before a 'Committee, it would turn out to be just as he had staled. , . Mr. TIERNEY said, the question was, not whee ther spies and informers werelo be emp!oyed by Government, but ‘vbet her such spies awl informers' as were'now descrinvd should be tolerated by die votes' of the House . in the decision they had given respecting the reports of the two Coni mittees. .There were :twenty-five persons, all.' of good character,: who were ready t 9 pro duce testimony: as to three spies having been employed by . bovetnment. SuppoSiOit lqii ebell and the other petitioners to be men of bod cliar:icter, (he did not knots whether they were or not) they were not incompetent to give ev;dence: they were witnesses as admissible; as Castles, who had bten.bronglit forward to take , away the lives, of five persons. lior there was one of the petitioners whose eharaCter lie knew. .to be good ; and that was Scholes. Now the question here was not whether spies ought or ought not to be employed, bat whether such fouous spies as those who had been mentioned, lie, could not help :reprobating the system of spies and ininrlO's which had grown up among us, and which was disgracef u l tolb e country. The ColleetiOn of the revenue was aS si,:ted•by liord e s of informers, who Were vi'Tat chink, aml *spying s itito men's, donkestie 11 fairs. it one ot these were to come to a 'gentleman, and induce him to return to the assessor a less number of hors: . s than he actually .kela, and after entrapping: the gentleman. into his, :laud Upon the revenue give information against ititn, and get part of the penalty, wood not such a wretch be Ceprob.ited -by every body ? What'llifErenee', then, was there between hint and Oliver, who had,endeavoured to entrap men into the comm,issjon of crime ?--it was said;that Oliver caused no mischief. Was it no dating teischid *hen he represented himself as a delegate from 20,000 men, ready to rise in arm; ?—The names of the:evidence to sopport.his own friend's statement wire called for by, the op posite side, why did thesr' not *give the names of tlesvidenFe examined before•the Secret ComMitA tee ? lie was sure,his 1-lon.,Friend would .matte good his-caie. 'The Ministers. refused an investi- L Orion because they knew• it would tuin out tO their thiativantage. ''here twist be soniething'in the' bark-.ground which they didnotchoose to discover. But could they indeett believe, that this Method o I meeting tills question would4iut rather augment