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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HO LSE OP PEERS, TAURSDAY ) MAY 4. Alll E lki CA. The Ordor of the Day being read, SHLKI RK ro•o, pursuant to notice, to submit a motion to ther Lordships respeiiiing the character o f the affair WhiCh took place in tBO7, between his Maje9y!s.tfigate the Leopard, and the icrigate •of the United States, the Chesapeake; of the causes t nit let' • to it i arie, ot, the coriserpienves with - which Mai:be attended. ;'1 matter. of this 'motion he longinedit,red: ) . and could not, consistent with what 'he:felt - To tie his ,tuty,‘ deliiy any longer laying before the HOUSC the notions, and the apprehensions Which it gave risein lkis mind. It might . be ne first, to refresh their Lordships' . „ teculiection of the transaction he•ttad'tri altode to.— ...T.tlQ.Nonle Lord, then proceeded to read-,a variety of documents, from Which he derived proofs-to slew, that the American officers, that Commodore Baron, himself, could not but be convinced that the men lie had taken Owl on bpardtheßritishship, and ad. mitten into the American 'service, were not ricans born, but British subjeds, and , cleserters from the •British service, Even one of them had-his • name at full length, and the place of his nativity,. written on hisleft arm., Others -ef them bed, as usual, otherinarks on their bridies, Which attested • the place of their birth, and proved' them to be British' siThjeets ; they were besides recognized on 'shore by several British Office's, who knew them to belri tish seamen., If further proof were wanting of this conviaion at the moment, on the mind of the Ame rican officers, that proof would be found in what came out upon the trial 'of thesdeserters, which took ' place at Halifax, aod during the course of which some of the deserters avowed themselves to be Bri tish stibjeas, and acknowledged the means by which they had been entrapped into the service of Atte riCa. Yet with all this convtelion on their 'minds, they•refused to giVe up the deserters,- and continued so obstinate 'in this refusal, as to compel the Coin mander of the Leopard to employ force : tO,reeover the British seamen, which lie had aseertain'e&were, On board the Chesapeake. . These were among the chielcircumstances 'which led . to the .affair in cities- . lion, a breach of our naval 'rights and privileges .which sheuld not be allowed to pas's o:erunexplitin ed and unafoned for: If therefore negotiations were now, penoitie ,between this' Country and the ilme rican poverument, this affaitia between the Leopard and Chesapeake, and, the grOunds upon which it took place, ,•filionld be most seriously - attended to.— This bhsiness involved a question of the highest it-a- • • parlance ; tt involved the claim. of our naval pre eminence, it involved the source of our commercial prosperity, arid indeed' of our national, 'greatness : the opportuniti , therefore should 'be seized, doily to ascertain these points, and to ,bring the Ame ricanGovermnent to ari unqualified and 'indefinite acknoWledginent of these It should be • .shevvn at the same tithe that wedid not asstime•this' . naval dominion for our own prote.Pion only, but that our naval power, should be a-shield to be wielded for the protection of all neutral tiattons.•. Conceiving 'that their Lordship s ! m i n d s . must be impit:ssed with the ueci;_silty of coming to a Clear understanding on these pointS with the Government of. the United States, ' be should .content himself with moving an harrible Address. to. his Majesty, praying that' be would be pleased to dired, that in ,the tiegotiations now pending, this point'be particularly attended to. The motion being read, • • • " 'The Earl of Ltvertroot. objeaed to it, not only on .the grounds which he touched ' upon w h en the NOlale \, Lotd" gave notice of his motion, which grounds Were the. iiiipropriety of agitating lin;se points at'a • nionent - when 'negotiations were nr fruit upon t but on the ,groitott that it a ttS ameonstitutional in . 'that Home to interfere with their advice'divring the, progress of a negotiation, the opening of whicli longed to the prerogative of the Crown, and for the condat and chaia6ter of which .the Ministers of the. . Crown 'were rosponsible. It will take ttl,it. pm' oga; five from the Crown, and looseo Ministera from all , responsibility, if 'that Parliament slionliVdi6tate to them what course they shoutd plume. As soon as-, a treaty was, concluded, it was. the duty of Ministers. to submit it to Pat !lament, and obtain' the santiion of .Parliament for its stipulations. Such he conceived to be the, constitutional linie usually observed on 'such occasions ; but to interpose Iho advice of Parliament during the progress of a negotiation,wilb the grounds -and matter of which Parliament must be supposed' to be unacquainted, appeared to him to have the of a Most extraurdinary mode of proceed- ing. lord Sit:mourn agreed with, the Noble Earl in 'most of 110 ohjettions to the ,motion, of Noble Friend ;. but he cotild not-adtnit it tube unconstitu ,tional 'in that House to.ottertneir advice respeaing the subje& of a negotiatiOn. The History of the Country, and the Jourhals Of 11),!ir 1,01-,!s!-..!ps' House, 'furnished abundant instances of stlei intertlenee ; but' to prescribe- the opening, or to;intertere other- Nviie than by advice in the eonduet b e wasirqady c)neknowledze would be iroprolet and The Ear, 1 of. 1 , 1172.nr00r, not deny that §)tch precedent§ existed; but they only indicawd the power of advice. - Lord SELKIRK briefly replie,4 ; after 'which frbe question was put ,and negatived without .a division, ' BAtiLLEV. Lord RIMESPALE prestited a Petition from the Respondents,' stating some extraordinary hardships they would sutrer if the hearing of this 'Appeal was protraEted, and praying that tire cause •might' be Leant on the 9th of May instant. .Mr. Lowe %Trifled the allegntibns of the Petition. Mr.'ltoberson , Was heard in behalf of the Appel. littit, and represented, _that a departure from the or dinars, coube of proceeding would deprive his Client of the oppor ! unity Of meeting the Re s p on d ents on equal ground, whose case was already in print. He trusted their Lordships would not grant the prayer of the Ntition, by Axing an earlier day for the hearing than would allow the Appellant u, Opporttipity Of priming his case for the intOrniatiOn of the House; time, 'he was . 4IIXiOUS fora speedy deci-. that the cause be beard .on •Tuebdar of May.—Adjourut:d. - • HOUSE OF COIII.IIIOAS. TabligDAY, hIAV Mr. Alderman COWIE brought up the Report of the Committee on the Printers' Petition, and, oh -1:1;nod leave to bringjn tt ,Bill to . indemnify those i'rittter;who niigheillave published books without affixing theirriames thereto. On the thir4 reading of the Clyde Navigation Bill being , inoverinrd AIIcIILBALD MOULTON rose, and" was alit it „to move an amendment, when the Speaker in( meet him, an - amendment could not be moved till the House had resolved on the thin! read ing Olt ! • The Bill was read a' third tune, when Lord A,. 4. Hamilton stated it to be his wish to alter thefirst-clauie. The proposed alteration -was then readiy'which was opposed by the Solicitor Gefferdl, After a few words-itom Lord A. Hamilton, in ex planatiOn, from Mr. Stevens, the Lord • AdVtkate of Scotland,- and other Hon. Members,, t HouSe di vided,:when there appeared for the amendment 31-- Against it 44. . _ _ _ _ IVle4s.ige from the Lords announced their *Lord ships! assent to several private Bills. Mr. HORNE . SUNN.OI brought up the Report of the Committee on the Portsmouth • Water Works. The Hon. Member entered into the nature of the standing Orders, and the manner in which they had been observed. - He propos&l that the second re&- ing of the amendments should be postponed till 'that day six months. A'Debate ensued, in which Sit , Thornas Miller, Sir ThomaiTurton;Admiral Markhain, the Speaker, and Mr. H. Sunnier participated ; 'after which a di vision took place, ‘:vlien the nuMberS were — For the second reactinkthis clay six months t 3 ---Against it, 9L- COLONEL,. OC; LE. Lord FoLksTosy. rose, for the purpose of stating to the House, that, when he first sdoved for the Papers•nowoxi the table, relative to Colonel Ogle's Levy, he had applied .to the condud of that Gentle- man . some .strong terms, amongst others;--t ;at he had been guilty of perjury. Since that time, froth further, inquiry, he fouttd_ that he was iu error, 'and that po such serioth charge: was .attrittUtable 00; ;. he therefore felt it his . duty to 'declare to.the Howe the error he had fallen into,- particularly as Colonel Ogle had expressed a very , anxious desire that such' an explanation Should be (wade whet*: the charge originated. The papers were now fore !het House, and it would form its own opinion of that transatlien. , His Lordship then 'moved for a Copy of tlx I,etter. friirn Mr. Merry to Mr. Hum phries, th. 3 War-Office; anted Oct. 4,1804, re speaing Col."Ogle's uterus.--Granted, Mr. PARtiELL moved f,r the Returns of the PCT lice in Dublin,—Granted. , SALE OF SEATS IN PARLIAMENT. Mr. Cult W EN said, 'he rose pursuant to 'his notice, to make a motion, 'which, at the present modieot- Otis crisis, might be as 'important, as. any cne that had ever, been agitated within those walls. He felt •in common with the Gentlemen opposite, that at this juneture it was the bounden duty of every iu divicival -to endeavour to the utmost of his power to give energy and etreet to each measure calculated to benefit -thd country ;- be would not' have brought forward the pfesent motion, had he not been of opi nion greater danger attended its 'not being made than cotjld. possibly result front its discussion.- was indispensably necessary that that House sliotilcl take steps to seppert that high character it had ever maintained, a'nd prove thetuseltes worthy of the confidence of the n elm). Reports had, for sometime past; gone abroad, that abuses'existed in the sale.of Seats' in that House. He therefore : thought it in cumbent upon them to trace those reports to their. source : that i Ifounded in truth; se6h- abuses. migh t be guarded against in future; that if proved to be `Unfounded, the country might be convinced these rumours were -false. Happy had it been for.the country had Ministers, long . ,' before the present `strong feeling was excited_ in the public mind, dis played a proper degree of Wisdhin and talent ; the, rising sterns had :then 'been: checked . in time, 'nor had the voice of an indignant nation 'excited alarm. 'He, however, trusted that the Right Hon. Gentle-, ;men opposite did_ net conceive any thing like a plot against the Government to exist among ihe people . ; if - =they - did, he was confident they libelled the country. ,He then adverted to the charges - reliantly brought: against the late Commander. in Chief, 'who had. been acquitted• in that HOUVY by 'a ',eonSiderable majority, but who, he was confident; out of that House, had been condemned by 99 out of every too. Painful as. it was to him to vote as he did, he took little merit 'to himself for having so doiie ; itwas not from,, choice, but he was compelled by his duty to vote as he did. ..kle was' glad the recent occurrences' had convinted 'the people; . that there . were some individuals in that House anxious to as- Sea their rights, proud to, fight their and-war .against 'corruption. 'He would ask .the Hun. Gen- . tleman opposite, if in the: feeling now excited in the teition; he could recognize any thing particular ly hostile againit . himself, 'or any of his colleagues ? he thought he. could not, and trusted he would •nei titer think it wisdom uor fortitude' to oppose that ' 'which appeared essential le their hiterests.' The voice of the'public was raised* I)9t agaillSt Ministers, but 'ailainst abuses.' At that memorable period, the close 'et the American War, the - Goverement of that (1.4 were opposed-by a' party, the strongest in point . of landed interest ever known; that party had pro.. fessed to wish fora Parliamentary itelorin but 'i : variety olcircu=stances lindsince indlibitably proved those professions were not sincere fie' deprecated their coodea in the strongest terms,- he' kitetx of nothing that could possibly . be more *grading but that plaCtice di opposing those very measures out 'of ottiee, when its power, pentlomeil had stip ported-ill essential to the interests of .the country...-: Those •whQ gave his motion their snpport. hi talked Would . .do so from a heartfelt vonvielihn that it had 'a' stitistantial elaini to their approbal tioit The• clamour excited at the close of thtt AmeriCan war •Was., net the voice of the .people, but the voice of a party._ In the prescot situ:alba of things, it would be deceiving the people .to say any Administration could . proctini a peace.''' The real adtrocafes for a reform felt noxious . t(), re gul4te, not to overturn the system. lc tnight:bc~ ssid by - Hon,' Gentleman below that at the;Pre- sent juncture'if would be (Lingerous . to, tike.but one. stone out of the mansion lest the whole fabric should be sbAen.—}l6 was re ady- !to listed to;Soch.a sug gestion, but he"would gay ii was proper to endea your to gUppOrtap4 streogthen the fotindari et. One i;:•'.;i4t mad (gr. Fitt), at the itetiod lie had alluded to, had professed' to be au advoeme'for a Parliamen tary RetorM, but when in pcywer, his conduct had been very different to what ir.i'ould' have been, had he, indeed been anxious for a Reform. Passing from • that period; lie came to the time of thelsrench volutioq, at which period a society was fornied which certainly had evinced but little wisdom in their pro ceediegs.; lie had been one of their number; be took blatne to himself for having been aiie of 'thein, and leoked back. to thatperiod with regret.--Had their proreedingS been moderate, that obloqay which had been bestowed on them had never attached itself.to them. He hoped their failings Would be a warriiitg' to others. The people possessed good sele , e . ,.and he trusted that good sense would not be again teisled.• The measure might probably not be So good as the Hon. Gentleman -oppoidta Might beuhle to submit to them bait if 'that Hon. Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) would relieve hie) of the task, he would most cheeLfully ,resign it 19 him. He would not vilify the. 1-190se, ro far as to say. it contained few , men of good charkAer, but it had been statecl in two.publle prints.; that a certain, house in the City some years ago ,purchased four seats. within thoSe walls, 'and it was not extremely probaple that any house in the - City should expend 20,0001. merely for the public gond. •He eAtiderstood the House was, to resolve itself into . a Committee to4norrow, to ror• eider mare fully of a Parliamentary Ref orin: He • bad been iolortued the Chancellor of the Exchequer had given the House reason to believe he would not opp*the introd94lion,•dt tb that (Area, in a *Bill which he' had brought into the House. For leis p~Ft he did not see hots the Right Hon. Gen.- lima!) could oppose it .Wit 4 any degree of propriety as if he believvd abuses of that nature did exist lie could not,refuse to endehiliur to put a' stop to them ; And if it was his opinion that they dui not-exist, he certainly- -. l>uld.itot be against appointing Commis- . ,aioners, to refute the ealu.tunies that had gone abroad. The Hen:Gentlman then statetito'the'finese, that -whatever degree ot censure might be 'poured on ,the motion he svas about to Make, it roust be wholly his owri, aa, with the' eXreption at one Lion.' Gentle man (the INdemWr, for Norfolk), no one in that House kne,v precisely what it was. He declared he link mean to ad hostilely towards Ministers:: In bringing it tot:ward he was solely sainted ,by the idea -that it was necessary';.. He then spoke of little reason the Cowry bad to: complain of • the election of Judges.; one of their. [lumber whe had been an ornatnent to the Bench.; And, indeed, to the . nation (Sir W.•Biaekstone),hai: demonstrated the necessity of administering an oath to the eliaed.as: well as to. the eleaar. Were that suggestion attend .ed to, he thought it might .be productive of the mbst salutary :ctinas: Prior to'Mr. Grent it was notorious that p:irty teefivi, tabt justice, xiecided the question on controverted elections -; but by ere- . arc.ting that the Committee's appointed to, inquire into the merits such cases. Shoeld be sworn, they had uniformly done justice to theditferent partieS'Or! rerned, and their deci s i o ns were tetjgrded as not less pure than t lithe of a jury.. He could. not think an oath ever would tie evaded.. if their morals were gone all . ' was gime; ,atiarChy and contusion '(es in other countries had been the case) must ensue, and -.the national degradation would be. com;:lete,.. He would next submit to their ronsiAeration whetlier ur not it. would be propel- to• impose a penalty on the person ,who sold a wain' that flonse ; he b.„l ;ow e doubts as to the propriety of imposing on the purchaser. But Tie did think would ap pear expedient to extend the law against bribery, lb' punishing any pecuniary or otter tansider'ation be ; sioAert by a :Member of • - Parlilment on his eledors after his being returned, ax he thouzlit that ' bei t eg • permitted the moscpernicions ahuses were tianc'ed. Corruptiorrspread :far :Ind wide around, and it some . barriers:were not oppotted - toits 'propels it was impossible.to state how star it. would _extend. Thu Alines We're such t hat more virtne.and greater exertions were required titan et any former peftsxl. He might he told, measures like those he proposed might exclude •great talents and worth from ' that House, but bewas ready to admit that a person might possess the, power ,of returning .a MeMber. to. Par liament without abusing it. Mr...-Pitt had been twice brought in by 'a ;Noble tord solely on riccolit 4 . )t` Irk' talents ; nn old_ had been otlvred ,hest . 10,0001, and then 12,0601. for the gift ,of two seats, which offers she had refuSed, stating, that she•never had taken money for a seat in' that_House, and that she was then too Old to think oc• beginning. fie, however, thonght,..snch restriaions night be im posed as would render there as fearfulot - being dip. graced by sending an improper person to Narliatkient, as they, - were of bestowing a church 'living on 'al un 7 wortby'obied. Ha was a friend to the prerogatives of-the Crown, as he thoughtthe interests of the sub jed intimately conneeted with, them; brit he . Was an enemy to its influence, which had So, greatlfintreaiff ed Avithin the last, twenty-four yearn. .1-10. did not wish to depreciate the House of C;oritipons, i. he thought men in' that HOucie felt naturally more dis ' posed to espouse the cause of the Crol.vn- than-that of the Opposition ; he therefore did not doubt but when 1,1 reform was.effeCied, the Arintsterlal party would still boast a ptedominatinginfluetice;• Out the .moment they 'prevented the.mte 'of Sttat3 they, en.. sured the 'elet s tion of -talenteand -integrity, and he hoi.-e4 no one would be 'returned who would - feel as :eertttin persons did (he,wish;-..ti to God he 'crield :term- 0 the eiteueOitature . from 1114 , memory), who; ,when peace was announced on the Ekehanze, vi ire . sutlicieetly depraved to expre:lsindignation and gra!: Were such a cha.ngeas.he could. wish CO see brought about, we should: no longer feel ambitious to tnonopo,lize. the trade of: the world; or to possess ourselves of the Colonies of': every other power, the attention of the country. would. there lie turned to its better interests; to its own imernal improVernent. It would remove . the cauSe Of many.serimis com plaints ; they would not then -havtt - bad 'OP their table a pen.ion list no' give evidence of ' incomes of two or 3001, per. annum being given to -persthis of the first character, %ale, they 4houglir the poor cot' lager's abode was sutticieirtly t ed a .fiVthing candle.: ffindreds \NUM not be i brown away k,e.ar ly to iliuMinate the of the great. diki • not think with -some that all -public nitht*must be corrupt ; t he present Elate lei Who ,would be.ginister, he.Ceukl 'not hel p becoming a .borough-monger, If•th e y looked into history, thoSe men who wire most uppoptikr towards the close of thp.reign pf Jaines tr..,would _kw found shortly.after *ling the most honourable part 'ke hen the system was , refixtued. He would' censure indiscrimiatt.iy all public charaElers mtitie the country poor indeed. 'Whether they were Wh igs or Tories it was t heir duty to make one grand effort to raise the chat - vier of that House, by endeavouring' to stetu'lhe torrent of COrf I ruptian. It could not be Otpected the burdens of I the public would be greatly lightened. In the lhe fancy of taxa ion, as in the infancy of life, irmight • be right to gild the.pill it became-pkokr and neces sary we should swallow. But advanced es We were in years, and in taxation, We must knew that the SUMS thus advanced were to be expended fee' OLft ad' vantage. ,But tic thought it would be well if.Mitti s stersexert;d thdr wisdoM s in imposing taxes iha; might be little Cotaplaitied of as might be. ~He He a sit, d a sised them to abolish those :pitiful taxes The DV Tax, atrd Thai laid on Grooms, as well as that on which "he saidlell heary . at home on the lower ;orders, while it benefited tereigners abroad. These he thought were the legitimate objects which ought to occupy the• aiteutinn of a Minister. He•shoeld nut be.content with dragging his measures through the HOuse with a reghlat majority. After Wi,at had come.before them a short time ago, with respect to • a . Noble „Lord, he much regretted that that ,`Noble Lad did not go uut;of office 'ashoweyer lie mig4 ,s . have,been lamented by his colleagues, it Would hive been a satisfadion to theconntry. ; Me did not env/ • Ministers"their situations, theirs was a most arecoas task. If there was any truth in the rumours ati:mt of the defeat of the Austrian army, he felt that they must parlitth anguish of heart f or w witever they might receive; The people ,of England , tees 04‘ niggardly; their hearts were truly liberal, and his theaglit that if Ministers, instead of 1;111-rw6 a lie" sion privately tO the mother of a gallant Geheial. ; now no more, had come forward with a grant as a public ad of snußificence, it would have ben more gratifying to the nation nt large. It he letcl aerie). peered' hostile to:Ministers, it was because lie thought their measures not Sufficiently worked * hi wistiAn ! and prudence. them .to confound those I who were hostile fel:thew, with those who were only the enemies of corruption. The:iticastue which he proposed could wily -be ,considered es one tk tetided to produce ntrliantentary liegotation, not e: l:trelir4aiiilei)eint o tary lielortn., In his opinion tne. House I must definitively pronounce aye or nip. whether are) , Ii Ids. m ciP o l t i i l o i° n n t s ve l r ir e c t ,l lt r er i oi dr friendly to , ()%:,oraPttlti bring about,that niost Vali:lb-hi event, the Odioa T the 'country in g e n er al. His Niajeity's Alinituers . would be then eniibled to - say to the enemy, " .; eppo::: to you tlOl our sir my and navy atone, but tlw . untied masi,"the ;colleMa.ve force of tile people: The [len. Member concluded' a 101 l speech, by moving for leave : Jo bring in a 1.11:1 " tot . proinoting the indeperidenee and: security Of Parliament, by preventing the' of-seats thereto,: whit tile cot rupt• practices iitteaidapt on such traffic, , and ail() to extend ..the lawi at preseitt . in, force against brt. bery,” - Mr. Wl,ll,ll`Ali remarked, that it was the 06 2 , 1 habit ai11)pied.411,_444.111 occasions, to tvair ell,' rih;P44-4 some Hortr ! .4=l)er on the other side of the toi,.! bet as'the present -was a question by no MOO' tined to - dny side =or any party, it did 001 v" ) ; necessary fo adhere to this praCtice. k 1 hisr►l' tii ' present motion . ot ~i t was tieeessary thilt the House should see th b e L l cider grounds on which .the .e),00 recom i new led to its attentioe,. 1:1p vary shape 'Ol6 proceedings was variable; tlictiv were nutucrons ere I.,o f o6 e4 gi t a l ri n t d fa :E i ded. 'p l ough the "ca use v: he once s i k s i v e l r a t t i :: s f. lion h n i , s en t al n " p i tbil i r i s d e t4 : b ' i t o e l t l u t e t' s .er g ise t e r u ct o : u .a : y,' d ec e s ete : . i s: d i i t l t i.o : l ;t l party to It would toe tltio 'its basis' 'was' nut indication, but ptest..imption , ilgclu;scittielleeo4;frnaodn:ii/els:lWPl•esl:l:6tecaonttaift/171itithtilec'd4aiii:in' p w r a a s o l ::: 1 t i : l ie j firruiy believed,.that 'far more than nine-tenllo those who clamoured for Pal Et:netitaty Aetc° l , / ' .proceededietilit“vartanted assumptieus.• Thaw ' v . ° originated." this cry, :should, .as philosophers, .out to the people a phileiophical arid rational nth • by whieli that Object would be. likely to be attairte,;,, l ;They should consider of the facility, and fitnelfs,,.o ,l ,:l the measure,. and caleulate .opon th 4 dangers whir i ; :posOly may, as well: the benefits winch they ltbly contended would result from it. Before • 1:1 Y • proceeded •to ageneral consideration orate arguineate made use ol,by the Hon.:Mover of this, question, ll ° should remark upon the sequel of that Hun. Gentle' inan's'Speach, which was as .' 'were -a postscriP Its t,endeney went to, correa the increased. infl uenc e , arising tileiani o e u d t•o o f n t e h . e m T o h n is ied he inte.rest; and t c osign . if la consider as a more geueral (Jr . Windham) O°Ll • for rejedion of the .ground than any oche. opposeWe hl d feel it that H e stood he apetr present up motion s s i t t 4 i P o Fe n t tn iO luo n ptiov i ec ; i t io h iat e itilit li iciii r ei l i t jet : , at t b w e er n e la t d h e e only .ground on which °Of: to the present Measure, et; principle to. which, for many yars, lie had hee tle ;,, r posed, and from which; fie trusted, he Wettld depart, Considetatien that the crY o f . Pd „„a liamentary Reform was both' mad and uttwO' c . that it was so far pregeatit-with danger = and a esn., ;i ' u f Lion, as it -proceeded froaa a doctrine of tbeorY' n „„ n , pradice,and because it s.prOnibters argued tip9 93i. , - , o r principles universally, be th o se priucitlies be they Wrong. It vas,.huwever, Leaner Of la4t, et a rludicrous in observation, that those printiPl e9 ' universally' wrong. v~woutd tse to stamp th T e e ti a n d a o t ei sy st il l i ci 1 0 ; poruirriUritpulto). ir4co, would ask of the Hop. Gentletnan, whether ther lic b sent propositions vice a course of Proceedivg 1 1 0 0: would exclusively satisfy :the country' vet o Gentleman had indeed sates, that thepe9Pi e full of readiness to' submit . te N eth4n9 ' be - itn . posed'o f n v teeth, 'pr'os - 'tried they ..e bt ,,t l : l 3e . • the exectition • of..the work proposed to ba by - ' p sheo by the Hoo. Gentleman's tnutton._.), uthis • motion._. ibis Woilltrpairtd - theTi6o. Genileinan, Whet- d 11 11 Ettioll alone- would produce satisla , v- .°) lo go part of ? 4§,,propos.ed; lac, t, ,."„tiell our what was never called tor. 'At tut Italy o! . universal voting-Was called for as the bieuis 01 ° re D a sal repre,e-ntation, t ouie N on raised Gus cry. we f collate; te ts of the.public voice....,(Lotid cries o • hoar, _you th.eTE--ectsitry Benches, a nd ort4l, u`" litlzu the Chpasiiitt4t.) - to call Mr. FULLEII, in a elarnoron4 manner, rose. ib' G..!htleitten on Vie opposite. Sidl4 , - A N ti. li .;11errtipii011 W..11it:11 . ,1110y , had giVell 10 OM g ri,:u; able. Gent+letnau. "3PCAKER vbseived, that the call 3PParg- ~1