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lington'; by Mr. PitittiPS, from Calton, in Lancashire ; by Sir T. WILSON, from Ledbury, in Herefordshire; and the In habitants of Blandford-street; by 'Mr. F. BuxTox, from the Parish of Gillingham, Stadwick ; Ross, in Hereforshire; Dart mouth ; Chatham, Stroud, and Kingsbury, in Kent; South and West Corringham, in Nottinghamshire; Beckford ; the Clergy of Wentworth ; and from the Inhabitants of Monmouth, by Mr. BERN AL, I'M' Rochester; by Mr. OIIENVELL; from Leamington.—The petitions were ordered to be printed. Mr. CUKTEIS presented a petition ap•ainst the Corn Laws, and made some observations as to the real advantage which poor farmers would derive front the repeal. Lord Mt L'reN and Ali. PELltam replied in a few words. The Petition wag ordered to be printed. loiLECTION "JAWS. lord 1., RUSE ELL obtained leave to bring in a Bill for the more easy discovery of Bribery and Corinption at Election's. — Read a first time, and orderf'd to be read a second time on Thursday next. . , *SCOTCH CU ft REN CV . Mr. II uAt r presented a Petition from the Magistrates anal Town Council of Cuirass agaime any alterations in the present state of. Scotch Currency—Ordered to be printed. BLSCA I QS PITA Sit ChARI,ES 110 NO obtained leave to bring in a Bill for consolidating the several Acts relating to Chelsea I lospital. Bead a first time, ordered to be printed, and- read a second time ou Monday. CROSS ROADS. Alderman Wool) presented a Petition from an Individual, praying . that the Enclosure !tills might be so aniendeif as to ansere a foot patlein Cress roads for the convenience of pedem .trian traveilera. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought the Prayer of the petition prima facie reasonable and prof: r, and that the same convenience ought to be affbrded on the cruse , jou l e as existed on the highways. COLONIAL STATUTES. Mr. BROUGH A5l put a question to the Secretary for the 'Colonies, as the nature of the relief afforded by the Colonial Legialtoures to the Slave population, and as to how fur that re lief had been established by Rills or Acts. j11r..-N , V,•,n ORTON replied, and stated that the relief was - elf :mite] by ,Acts passed by the Local Legislatures. Mr. BROUtifIAM said, that compulsory manumission, at an enlargement of the shin, when able to purchase his freedom et the appraised value of his services, independently of the consent of his toaater, was not established by any legislative . enactment.. The cart-whip anti driving system continued; and, except the Acts of Jamaica, nothing was done as to slave evi dence. There were twenty colonies, including HOnduras, the Cape of Good Hope, and the .conquered Colonies. Of those, thirteen had legislative asmembliei. It was said that seven of them had adopted measures of antelioration ; but unless sOnte ,change: had taken place since the 422i1 of last November, not more than three had passed any legislative measures as to the reimisaibility of slave evidence, namely, Tobago, Barbedoes, and Dominica. The Act of, the hat had been passed eight years since, and so could not be said to come within obedieace to . the Order in Council. 'ln Tobago the evidence of a slave was ulluwt d,in o ne case only, where a slave was murdered by.a free ow ; and where slaves only witnessed the act. In Barbadoei, the evidence of.tt aleve could not be received., unless he produced a Cenifiaite of his credibility Crain a regular Clergyman of the Establishment ; though the Order in Council required only the certificate of any Clergymast,, whether Protestant, Catholic, or Dissenter. • The f ict was very properly disallowed by the ; Ministers 'of the Crown ea making the shaves' condition Infi nitely ,worse than .it was before: It was said that five Colonies took measures to legitimate the marriage of, slaves; but he found that such, improveuteot WAS confined • to Bahama alone,. where the right of the master was still reserved. The right of property was also stated to lusve been secured to the Move but he found that it was in Trioithul and Demerara only, the Order in Council was promulgated; and in the latter place' its proutalgation was productive of mischief rather than good, by the. omission of that clause which established compulsory menuntission, thereby inthitating to the other' Colonies that tliat order. Was retracted by Great Britain. In Trinidad the elavehad a right of propertv-; but he was *Whited from cul fleeting any of the staple, articles of the island, and .therefore excluded t'roin theanly means of purchasing his freedom. In five of the Cohmics, it watt said, that the separation of families on a scale of slaves was prohibited. It was true that in either Tobago or Granada several partial measures of the kind were introduced. A mother could not be seoarated front her child, but a husband told wife might he divided. The regulation, .so far as it went, was good ; but a great deal inure watt necessary. They were told of modifications of punishment which took place in eight Colonies ; but instead of eight, he was only aware of one Colony, Tobago, where a reduction of punishment ems agreed tq, 39 lashee having been brought down to '2O. But then the Act was so mixed up with other measures which defeated its beneficial etfects, that it was not admitted by illinistera. The Acts or.,Aliti g atiou were enu merated as seventy or eighty. Ile would, therefore move for returns,of the Acts which had been passed since the loth of May, 1L123, for promoting the religious instruction of the altiVes —authorizing their marriages and their i»arannissione-prohi. biting their separation by the Sokol' those attachedto estlttes restricting and regulating the punishments inflicted by masters: _.distinguishing the titles and dates of the Acts, and the Places . or their enactment—and whither the' had been allowed or dis , allowed. Ile would further,move for Iteturns of the Papers whiehlind arrived since the 20th of Dee.—These would ale* •linwfet:iftet;t;;L:( 7 l;ente which had been 'Mule were bortie . out by • cum, Heil whether burnt eir good had ben thine... TM*. Was Im- , portant , tIS great misapprehension. must have arisen from what passed on a former evening, an to what had been done, unless .rouch more Watt doue then that which appeared., 51r. W. 110:".TON replied. Ilia Right lion. Friend lied 110 L Itle ea diet there was #{). entire compliance on the part of the legislateres, with the,Order In Council ; hut that there wait . no.. eontuaracy. As to the disallowance of the . Tobago and Bahanta,Acte .by Ministers: he could assure, the ilonoureble Alernher that he wits inieinformed. Ile was quite willing to go further than the motion required, And to present to the /hese a tabular. arrangement and analysis of the . Clomial Acts, so that their import could be seen at a single view; besides laying the Acts themselves upon die table, according to the usual practice of the House. In the Colonial Depart ment he was for some time deprived of help of the - Coloniel Counsel. The lion. Member for Alontrose was the one who ,rnaitily, prevented tke Colooinl Departments from being pm 'Peal ntanned ; and the Counsel having been compelled to devote his ettention to duty :daring several Months for ten hours a Mir for want of an atotiataitt to divide the labour wit's .bitrt eo suiPred in constitution that he wits obliged to abSene in order to ritrieve bin health. If the (louse would not sanction the employment of a proper number of ;resistants, the )(ebbe business would fleet sati ily be et a stand. \Viten the Colonial Estimates catne before the Howie, he would un derinkeito eliewohat the greet encrease of work required a Pro PLit ti On li r Le encr Ci ISC Of Per it )11 to .perform it. In several in„ N tanees compulsory inanuntimion was rather injurious, as it pre . veritcd voluntary manumission which would otherwise take pleee. lie thetight the Coemy of Demerara entitled to great credit for the way in which they received the Order in Council, considering the eiretitneteneee in which they rood. lie would persist in his assertion, without regard to the sneers of the lion. gentleman opposite. In Trinidad the slaves. were only prohi bited from cultieraing those staple articles which were peculiar to the island. BltOUGHAsLinquired in what Colonies the Order in Council was receivetlai law. Mr. W. iiORTONVr replied, in St. Lucie, and as the lion. clent!.:lllan w/114 titiitire; in Demerara. In a fortnight hence it would be the law of the Cape of Good Hope, arm in Tobago. .In the 'lsland of 51eurititts a little more delay would be requir. ede'as the Commissioners there could not receive it so soon. Mr. HUME objected to the appointment of Mr. Stephens to the place of Colonial. Counsel, insastimelt as he coneidered his father the roost determined enemy to the Colonies. (qr. W. HORTON would make it a question for the Profes sion of the Bo to decide whether a train': private feelings could be supposed to interfere with his nubile duty. 'But inde pendently of that consideration, he could assure the 'louse, that Mr. Stephen never entered into consultation with his father Upon Colonial subjects, To his integrity, abilhy and attention to professiomil duty he (Mr. W. 11.) bore the most unennivocal testimony. When , his father had published a pamphlet in which he called the Order in Council mere trash, he was there by passing a censure upon the work of his eon. IVIr. F. BUXTON egret(' with Mr. W. Horton in the view which he had taken of Mr. Stephen's character. Ile was aware, from reconvereation with Mr. Stephen, the Master in Chancery, that he had arrenged never to hold any communication with his son upon Colonial allitire. 141 r. I UNIE explained. 110 114 no intention, he said, to . disparage the character of Mr.,Stephen. The, motion was then put and carried. Mr. B ROUtillAill rose to give notice, that on the 20th of April lie wouiti move for have to bring in a Bill for ttmeliorat. jog 6 0 eon 4i duo of the Slaves. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. Lord PA IiMERSTON moved the Order of the Day for of SilPply , —The question hiving going into a Committee. been put 2 c o l one l DA VI 'S said that he would moire. for a Select Corn mittua to expenditure of the country. consider the mliftarY that were allowed, he won't' then agree to going into :a Corn. mitten or supp l y, „ n 4 w ould have no objection to the grant of qilartees supply The lion. Afern . ber took a comparative e.„ fi thnaoco, .anti res ources urthis country and that of France and . eru.a Atil ** , and contended that our inibtary establish. :trent was enaeniousty disp ropor tionete, Ike particulerized the „garrison' or, Gibraltar, and. the tro.ops stationed in Canada, as ,extrernely overgrown for their services respectively. con-j . . . . auction he moved—" That a Select Committee be appointed to dence, by timely.measures of relief, onginatuig with Govern. examin : Colonel DAVIES . explained he had'acceded to the into the whole Military. Expenditure of the country. ment. Mr. Ilito UOilltra seconded the motion, propriety Lard PA LiMERS'I'ON said that Ai -it appeared_ that the of granting the Army Estimates of last year. Mr. Hula' believedwhole of for ' s only reason the-Hon. Gentleman opposed the Spe . aker's leaving . ,that the the Chair, was in order to substitute his own motion for . another service of the present year might be safely reduced one half. He had been 1 • to I the observations f the 'i' bl Committee, he shoUld - content himself with merely stating that' nippy tear o . 1 o eLord, it had hitherto been the practice of the House to examine. i a the who had so accurately stated the motives of Alinisters in wish subject in Committee of the whole Hotter, rather than in alog for so extensive an establishment, Ilethen proceeded to Select Committee. This, he thought, in itself, Was a sufficient . censure, in severe terms, the unfortun a t e m ili tary man i a an d answer to the Hon. Centlernan for the present ; the more so, its passion for ,large establisliments which prevailed, a nd th e e x. he , wonlit haseseat in his power, if he pleased, to repeat in the pences of which fell entirely Upon the middle and lower class of receiving, under the name of Conunis. Committee any part or the whole Of the objections - on each of so . ciet the upper class " of another, .much t} leypaid. I . the proposed Votes When put in the Committee. stone, or one thing or as as t ley t the The motion of Colonel Da.vine, after a few observations from House meant to act as honest men, an d k ee p f a i t h w i t h t h e Mr. C. Pr I, it aat, was negatived without a division, and the public creditor, they would see what could be don e to k eep t h e house went into the cornminve of Supply. • expenditure of the country within reasonable bounds. The Honourable Member then referred to the example of the i A RMY ESTIMATES. - King of Bavaria. The Noble Lord, the Member for Hunt. eland PA LMERSTON observed, that in submitting the Es. ingdon, had laid the subject of the state of the Country bare, and after such a picture as he had drawn, wax the House timates of the Army for the current year, it became his duty to notice the tone and matter of which the Hon. Gent,'s speech prepared to keep up extravant establishments, for no other consisted, at some length. Any person who had heard that purpose that he could imagine, than that of givieg the mill. Hon. Gentlenum . would have eupposed that this year there had been a very large augmentation both in the number of inen en. tery an assendancy over the civil power ? H e hail sa id t h us touch as an apology thr what he was going to say. In the year rolled in time service, and in the amount of our military expencee. •1810, after much deliberation, the House appointed a Cern. Now the fact was, that the number of troops, and the f xpenees inittee to inquire into the state of the Revenue and Expendi also would be found to be nearly the same as they were last year. tore - and to wrote. its observations anti recommendations to In itomoinetances there WAR an increase of expence, anti in other the h ause . T at Committee referred back to the year 1792 being the last period of peace. ''T he Noble Lord ' instances, as in the Ciiil Department particularly, there wassaid, a diminution. . The whole increase of' the Expenditure was that it was ridiculous to go back to the year 1792. No doubt, about 12ti e 0001. 01 which 42,0001. might he placed to the sic• he thought so; but did those who pay the taxes think so ? So count of' the augmentation which bad been made in the last tar from it, that they had petitions for reduction of 'taxes year, the account of which had been made up last year only to pouring in, and more would yet come. lie in s isted th a t it April, and somewhere above 90,0001. arising from the dif. was the duty of that House to reduce the expenditure, as feren n e of pay to the troops in Ireland, in the assimilated cur- f ar as It could be done without breach of faith. The into. rency of the two countries. The first class of Estimates con- rest of the debt was twenty.eight millions, In this of course tabled an augmentation to the amount of 102,0001., tit' whici s t e no diminution could take place ; but the other establishments amounted to twenty-seven millions, and certainly admitted of 94.0001. was on account of Land Forces. The Statlexence affinded an augmentation, of which somewhat above 2,0001. great reduction. , lf. the Noble Lcird, for instance, who pro. was solely changeable to the late assimilation of the currency tibly received 3or 4,0001. per annum, was reduced tone-half, in Ireland. In the Civil Department, there-was a diminu. .and others, who were paid still better, reduced in a similar pro. tion in the War (Nice to the ens eat, '2,0001. which he portion, ry expence, in short, put upon a footing of trusted would would be still greater between this and next Septern. nomy, he s had no doubt that a relief of twelve millions of taxes ber. Indeed he should endeavour to retrench this pan of the might easil sate of the y be afforded. In 1792, the whole ex expenditure with the strictest possible bounds, con s istentl y army including the ordnance, was only millions, it was with the interests of the - public, and an adequate performance now four times that amount. 'lt was true that the re v enue i n of' the duty of. that Department. The estimate for medicines 1792, was only seventeen millions, and that now it was fifty. presented a saving to the public but one d e no very great five millions. but if so large a stun could annually extracted amount. The Estimates for the Volunteer &hike exceeded Irons the people, it only spewed, to what an elevated pitch of 'those of last year to an amount of 8,9501., and for this reason, prosperity the country might be carried if the people was reliev. that it was *opposed there would he a larger proportion of the ed. In 1702, the total number of the army, including marines Yeomanry of the country embodied this . year than there had and artillery, was 53,000; now they were called upon to vote been' last, which would render it necessary to provide for them 104,000 linen for these services. In thi s , the eleventh year of peace, and in the present stated the country, could any thing on a larger scale. At the same time he would apprise the peace, warrant such a vote ? In India, there was, besides, a militia House, that their numbers were decreased to the amount of 800 Of M,OOO men. In England and Ireland, there was a mi. rinik and file—which might appear to warrant A decrease in this item otexpence. Such, however, was not the case, for it had litia to the number of 74,000, entailing an expence of 153,0001. _been considered expedient in consequence of representations In Ceylon and the Cape four or 5,0110 more, m a kin g altogether made to Government, to increase the allowances to the Yeo - 2119,000 men, either in arm, .or ready to be called out. The total Increase, since 1792, was not less than 173,000 men. He manry whilst embodied.. The allowance of ss. a day for man and horse had been found to be too small, and in consideration Intl implore the attention of the House to wh a t h a d been the of their being only on duty a short time in the season, which did recommendation of the Committee of Finance. Th e n o n. not allow of their making those economical arrangements which Member here recited the names of die Members cothposing that troops who were pennauenely embodied could effect, it was de. Committee, amongst whom were, the Marquis of Londonderry, termined to increase the vote, with the sanction of the House, Mr. I'ecl, Mr. Robinson, Mr. Huskisson, .Mr. Sturges Bourne to 8,9501. which would enable Government to allow these cor Mr. liankes, Mr. Tierney, Mr. Gooch, and Sir Thomas Ace at the rate of seven shillings a day fur man and horse whilst land. This Committee certainly deserved the confidence of the they remained embodied. On. tine second class of Es ti m ates house. It Rat two ye a rs and made eleven reports, comprehend there would be no necessity to trouble the Committee, as that i ng the vatioutisubjects of army, navy, ordnance, pensions, &c. head of ex pence would be defrayed by the. East India Company. H e would ask the Members of that Committee, he would par- On the' third class, which.embtaced the .Military College and titularly itsk those of them who were now in his Majesty's Coun- Woolwich Academy, the expencee was nearly the same as last cils, to look back to the work of their own hands, and see how year. On the head of the Staff an augmentation of 8,000/. far they had fallen short of accomplishing what lead then beef% had taken place... 'With respect to Garrisons, there had beets no expected. He would now See what they bad recommended. The variation. But on thehead of Half-pity of General Officers Hon. Member here read an extract from the Report of the Corn. there.bad been a .dirninution of .6,0001 which was occasioned by mi .._ _, 'gee which recommended a near and speedy approximation casualties and deaths. The Forel Half-pay was also dime. to the establishments of 1792, as highly advantageous with nished this year 2,400/. There had been no material alteration a view to relieving the then existing distresses. Since that time in the House. Pensioners, but the estimate of Out.Pensionsrs at the prices of stores, &c. bad beensinuch reduced, so that no Chelea Hospital MIS increased 4,053/. The Widows Pension , apology for disappointing the expectations of the Committee List was augmented this year 6,00714 and the Allowances for could be made on this scare. What . then bad taken place Wounds and on the Compatieionitte List also presented an en. since that period ? The Noble Lord had stated, in 1817, that crease to the amount of 4,190/. The total estimate of our Mill. the Estimates of that year were not so low as they were tary Establishment, including; Contingencies for England and to b e i n f uture years . In t h at statement tine House went Ireland; General Staff, Hospital Contingencies, the Volunteer fully with the Noble Lord, and calculated that 3 large portion Corps for England and Ireland, Recruiting, the Military Col. of .the expenditure might be saved. Ile would, however, leges, General Officers' pay, Hospital Staff, In and Out Pen. shcw that every thing had increased instead of decreased. He sionere of (Chelsea lloepitul, Military Asylum, NVidowit' Pen. did no t blame the Noble Lord for this. lie only performed slow, Wounds and c,onapanionate Llst,anlOUnteti Jo 6,862,000/. his duty in laying the Estimates before the )louse. He blamed sterling, Which was an encrease certainly over the etstitnate of i his Majesty's Council for extravagaricies, which by weakening last year, but if so, that estimate had been formed under the sane. the resources of the country, prevented from attaining to that don of the express wish of that House, as would recollected by influence in the affairs of Europe, to which us a power of the ailment every person who now h e ard him. As to the proposed first rank it was entitled. Time language of the Committee on standard of expence so often talked of by some Honourable dab view of the subject well deserved attention ; they said that Gentlemen, it was idle and absurd to suppose that he could the resources and strength ,of the country were augmented by reduce our military expenditure to the same amount as that of every saving—they said that every diminution of expenditure the lut'lcyon period of 1792. how was It possible to expect such was substantial increase to the income of the country, and they a reduction could ever he trade whilst we limed so many new : recommended them to come as near as they could to the expert foreign garrisons in various parts ofthe worldoend whilst the trade ; diture of the year 1792. The Hon. Gentleman then referred to and commerce of the country require corresponding protection the occurrences of the Year 1041, when he had moved that the in those 'tattle Of' the globe . witerp they hitherto had been comps.) Army Estimates should be cut down. He was then opposed by , ratively strangers. The lion. Gentleman had talked of timethe"Gentlemen, Country but agricultural distress coming on propriety of keeping up -, our establishments in our foreign' during the progress of the Session, they afterwards turned, dependencies, by r e g ul a r colonial troops attac h e d to th e soil, round, and an unanimous address to the Throne was carried, cu es it were. Now : he and the , House were aware that persons I forcing the necessity of all practiclible reductions in the general could not be procured to . g o out ther e to b e b an i s h e d f o r a expenditure, and particularly in the !Military expenditure. Au. series of yearn from their own country, and that if they could i lion. Gentleman, - when it become evident, that the motion he be had; they would. as a mutter of course prove remiss, lax, intended to make would have been carried, interposed to pre nod ineffectiye trop re, front the circumstance of their n ot b e i ng serve. Ministers from that mortifloation, by moving the Address brought periodically, home for the purpose of recruiting their lie bad mentioned, and the consequence was, that in the follow, numbers and health, as well As thr tine no less important pur. e year the Military estimates were lower by 20,000 men and' prw, of being examined as to their effectiveness and 'dote!. Malte million of' money. In consequence of this reduction of pline. In fact, regiments, if allowed to remain in the Coto. the Army, the Ordnance, and every thing - else connected with nies for a long period,,so es to render the Raving of any import. it was also reduced. Thir showed the good effects of a little vice. to' time public, would be found to relax their !lattice, and determination and a little advice. Afterwards corn rose, the knee their smartness and efficiency. The lion. Member having p eop l e were employed, and distress grew less, and linmedietely attempted to arrange the military concerns, of the colonies, h ey a system of encrease . was cotnmenced. Thowbole enerettee since emoting an exclusively colonial force of an indigenoui character, that time was mm less than 15,000 men. - The pretence for this was disposed it would, seem to do the country an equal service was the necessity of reliefs for, the Colonies, the state of Ire. nt home by,performing the duty pf the military here, through land, and the state also of the Colonies, agitated, as it was the nictlintit of the Militia. here, however, the Hon. Gentle. sa id by the resolutions passed in that Housela the year 1823: men lutist, to do any thing, first persuade the Legislature to that this was only a pretence, and that the real object was to change the law us it stood at present with respect to the Militia encrease the military force in this country was evident froin the force. At present this force could only be caliettout 20 days in fact, that one fifth of the encrease went to the Colonic*. The the year, unless under circumetanceis of , a threatened invasion Hon. Member then compared the pre t est milita r y forte with or an existing rebellion in the country.. Although as it had that of the years from 1785 to 1792, and contended that there been said this was a highly constitutional force, still thatforce was the less reason for such an encrease as bad 'taken place in must be maintained at an equal expence with a regular force, the regular forces, because the Militia had greatly encreaset4 and that tv kiloton effective character, so that in , po in t °-e ,ex! and a numerous body of Yeomanry had b e en create d. Th ese pence no- a dvent age would, be gained. He would deny alto- alone, he contended, would have been sufficient to meet. any gear that the gni-Aeons had been improperly or unnecessarily alteration of circumstances. It had been said that the encrease upheld in the Colonies, as represented by the Honourable Gen. of the population rendered it imprudent to impair the power Clement, more isiwticularly on tine North American station. or lessen the influence of the Crown. He would say reduce Another selection of that . Honourable Gentleman's bad been taxes, make the pe o pl e p rosperous an d t h ey wou ld be con equally , unfortunate me an object for Inculpation, namely, tented. A large military force and the expellees connected the garrison of Gibraltar. Now, he would remind the House with it, encreased the necessity of a powerful restraint upon and hitreof the wooly and honourable testimony given by a tine people: Ile did not know whether he hail made himself Gallant Officer km year (Sir Robert Wileon),as to this garrison intelligible. lie was decidedly of opinien that they should revert having merely 3 competent force within, ptoportioried to Its as near l y us poss ibl e to t h e rate of expenditure before .the importance. One world actually have thought this would have French war. It was only by reducing the estahliehmente that been taken as the best authority on such, a *object by th e Hon. any re li e f cou ld b e a ff or d e d to th e peop l e—ex c ept, i ndeed, five Gentleman, although it matte. but little 'for his argument. Ile millions were taken, which now constituted the Sinking Fund, was not disposed to nimble with tine Hon. Gentleman through as it was well called ; for It Was a most ruinous fund—and, i n : I 1 the comparative review Inc had taken of tine finances and re venue stead of diminishing the debt, only helped the country to get Foe this; country, and France, and the, United Suites, which had further into-debt. If to this were added seven millions more, humidly' any reference to the question, but should previously to which might be easily saved upon the different estimates, a most proposing his first resolution, remark; that the very arguments important relief might be aflinded. lie could not contemplate winch he had made use of to :show that his Majesty's !Ministers any thing more grateful to his Majesty's Ministers than the should retrench their expenses in every possible way, became° power of dispertaing so much benefit, and placing the country they were attempting to return of metallic currency, would In it high and commanding position. Every speech fron t the have been much more applicable, and the principl e more i nte l. Throne spoke of the advantage of producing diminished esti ligible, if he reversed it altogether, and admitted the propriety mates, instead of which they found them every year to incre ase . of attempting, to bring every thing of value to its prope r s tan d . They were mere words. It was therefore incumbent upon the and by adopting a metallic currency in order that we might be House to do iannething. lie should move an amendm ent as in a condition which would enable Ministers to propose men. . nearly as possible in the words, for he could not express it better sures of suitable economy. The Noble Lord concluded by than in the words of the Committee; he should move that it moving his first resolution, that 87,210 men be granted to his was the opinion of that Committee, that it was expedient to ap. „Majesty, exclusive of the troops in the service of the East India proach as near and as soon as possible to the military eistablisit. Company, for the service of the United Kingdom of Great Brie ment of 1792. taint and trek:lid. Mr. IiItOGDEN thought that according to the practice of Lord MILTON was glad to be able to say he was net b o u n d the House time Honourable Member couki not move so general by the vote o f - th e House alluded to by the Noble Lord, bias_ an amendment In t he C omm i ttee upon this particular res o l ution . much ne he had walked out. in a minority of, he believed, nine, Mr. HUME said, th a t h e had on former Occasions moved a n ' when that vote had been proposed to the House by th e N o bl e amendment quite as general upon every particular r e sol u . Lord. lie objected to these votes altogether, because lie per. tion. He th en move d t h e amen d men t, that, 'in tine opinion mind they were ail f ou nded on a false principle, namely, an of the Committee a la rge re duction should be made In the Overweening anxiety to employ an enormously large British Estimate); so as to make them approximate to the establish. military force at home and abroad. It was part of the military mente of' 1792, as recommended by the Committee of 1817." mania which had arisen from our connection for sonic years with (The amendment here repeated the words of the Committ ee .) the Potentates of the Holy Alliance. The Army, which only Lord PALMERSTON said chat he apprehended that the consisted of 119,000 m en i n 1822, was , in the p rese nt ye ar to be , object of the Hon. Member would not be much further advanced increased to 87,000. This was a measure wind], he had no if his resolutions were to pass. The whole question still would doubt, the country gentlemen would repine at next year, as much remains, whether as close an approximation to the establishm ent as they hail done in 1822, though they would not, perhaps, be as of IPA tag circumstances permitted hail been already m a d e likely to induce Government to make the same reduction of or not. This question cou ld not be decided by merely r e f er . our military force as they had done then. . And why did he ring to nutnencal accounts. He had endeavoured to prove; think they would repent their acquiescence ? Why, for this plain w hether successfully or not the House must judge, that the an . reason,' because their rents wo u ld f a il, lie highly disapproved Proximation had already been carried as far as possible. Th e of the encreaseil allowanees .to the Yeomanry when called out Honourable Gentleman had thought it convenient to pane. for training;. The whole of these errors proceeded from Minis- gYrise the Committee. of 1817—it happened to suit the present tees being ignorant that the s tr e n g th o f a country consisted purpose; but he could recollect former occasions when th e not in a large inany. This nation 'night, under different cies. non. Gentleman had not manifested the same deference and cumatances, be stronger with a standing army of 20,000 m n mimed to that Committee. If however the Hon. Gentleman than with its present enormous art ''l he real weakness of the looked to the prospective establishment contemplated by the country was tq be found in the tock Exchange, nor w as it Committee, h e wou ld fi n d t h at it a mount e d to 8,500,0004 in. money than was so much required by the merclitints of this eluding artillery —now the present estimates did not amount to country, at the hands of the Bank, es the restoration ,Of COnii- e that sum, and could not - be charged therefore With exceeding ItS The Hon. - Gentleman had urged the expediency of reducing the establishment by one half. Now onehall only of the whole charge wai for the effective part of the army, and the other half for pensions; lilf-pay, and other items of a nature not reducible, so that to follow the reanumendation - of the ,Ilom Gentleman would be to leave the.coltntry :without any arrny.at all. This would :thew hew safe it would be to take the Hon. Member as a guide. Those Who - teak the course pursued by the Honour- . able Gentleman, had a great advantage;sas nothing was more easy than,to indulge in general declamation, on economy, ant expensive establishment.' The Estimates had been found as far as due regard to the public service would allow, a strict ad herence to the doctrines and in accordance with the spirit of the Finance Committee. 'With respect to:the ',military spirit the lion. Member supposed to exist, he, for himself, and also 'for Ministers generally, totally disclaimed it. Nothing could be less consistent with their feelings and views. To keep up an unnecessary military establishment in time of peace, was not only bad economy, but bad policy even in a military sense:...- Unnecessary troops would of course be unemployed, and if' any occasion for their services should arise they would not be the most valuable description of troops. lie did not therefore defend a large military establishment in.time of peace--but he trusted the Committee would agree to such an establishment as was necessary for the public services. It lied been said, that in 1821 a considerable reduction had been made. It was trite that in that year, in consequence of the distress which prevail ed, Government had been anxious to comply with the wishes of the House—and that, against their judgment, they did con sent to a considerable reduction. lint what had been the con sequence? Great embarrassments and inconveniences had en sued, in the Colonial department; and, after 3 or 4 yeas, they had been compelled to resort to a considerable augmentation. —The-Hon. Gentleman had complained of that augmentation, on account of its not having been applied to the purposes for which it was granted -4o Ireland and the Colonies. To refute that imputation he would state that last year 10 regiments were sent out and only 4 came back--and that in the present year 8 regiments would he sent out and only six would come back— so that fourteen regiments would be afloat for a considerable part of this year, and if that were KO, was it not evident that a greater force was required ? Besides this he would state that a new organitition of the army had taken place, from which considerable advantages were expected. It was formerly the practice that the whole ten companies, of which a regiment of the line consisted when the regiment was selected for colonial service, went abroad, leaving a skeleton only in England for the purpose of recruiting. By the neiv arrangement this prac tice was altered, and no more than. six companies now went abroad, the other four companies remaining in England. This rendered the force in the colonies more effective, because casual ties could be more easily and peomptly . supplied. This occa sioned the greater part of the non-effective to be at home; of 8,000 non-effective, 6,000 were now at home. The Noble Lord trusted he had said enough to convince the House, that the aug mentation had not been applied to any other purpose than that for which It had been granted. lie need not urge - upon the House the impropriety of sending troops levied in England by voluntary enlistment into perpetual banishment.—(hear Yet that mint be the practical consequence or reducing the mi litary force. There were now eight regiments - in India who had been there 19 years, and two reginients in Ceylon and Mauritius, who had been 20 years. These ten regiments had been kept in a tropical climate for nearly twenty years. If the army were to be diminished, relief's would be impracticable, and soldiers would be consigned to perpetual banishment, to that which is inflicted as a punishment upon atrocious criminals. The Honourable Gentleman had drawn out in magnificent array a military force of 239,000 men. But how had he made titi this force? It included, in the first place, 22,000 of Irish Militia. Now he could inform the Committee that of this force not a single man existed, except in the vivid imagination of the' lion. Member. Not a single man was enrolled of the Irish Mi litia ; the whole was purely a creation of the Hon. Gentleman's fancy. Then the Hon. Gentleman took the Yeomanry corps to amount to 74,000; the fact was it amounted to 28,000 in Eng land and 26,000 in Ireland. He did not know by what arithme tic the Hon. Gentleman could get this amount. In case of war, or of any other emergency, it was ridiculous to talk of a militia not enrolled, nr of yeomanry who were only called out an nually for eight days. He trusted there was nothing in the statement of the Hon. Memberto induce . the House to adopt his resolution. When lie spoke of the increase since 1792,.per haps, he was not aware how much that increase depended l upon the half-pay and pensions. In 1792, this charge amounted only to 92,434; inn 1816, to 2,802,00 W. The difference was occasioned by the extended nature of our operations during the,late war. So that when it wits found that nearly 2,400,0001. of the tliffe rence in the estimates of the ten years arose troni the gratitude of the nation for services performed during the war, that differ rence could no longer excite so much surprise. Mr. ROBERTSON charged the Hon. Member for Aber,' deen with inconsistency in ascribing the return of prosperity in 1824 to the advance in the price of corn, when night after night -in that House he was calling out - for cheap corn. lie inveighed against the system of free trade . , and anticipated that it must lead to a branch of faith with the public creditor. %Vick this impression lie could not agree to any decrease of the army ; lie dissented, besides, fratult on constitutional grounds. Mr. HUME expressed himself dissatiafle..l with the reply of `the Noble Lord. If relief of the regiments in the Colonies had' been the object, why,augMent the Life Guards or the cavalry, . —these were not Sent to the Cblonies. The lion. Gentleman then Stated the particulars of the increase which lied taken place in these descriptions of forces. If the militia or yeomanry were . of no use why keep up the expellee which they occasioned. - Ile then entered into details toshew that the half-pay had increased' recentlY. Lord PALMERSTON stated that the whole augmentation. of 131108 Men, which had been granted on account o f the Colo. . re nies, had been made in regiments H tso o f ri th . ; i l e i m ne ' betrin:lnroetroernreinmag ton added to the guards or the cavalry. The Staff of the lri m hal il t i : t P ia itY o , n r ly efe w r a r s ed k , e li p e t s u u p p . The posed 2 to a recent regulation by which the sale of half-pay was permitted. But, in Contradiction to the assertion of the Hon. Gentleman, he would suite that the half.pay was permitted. But, in contradiction to the assertion lof the Hon. Gentleman, he would state that the half-pay which in 1820 was 840,0001., had been reduced to 770,0004, as itstood at present. The House than divided— For the Motion Against it • • • 144 • • • 45 Majority On the Resolution,for granting 166,:171/, lON. Cal. to defray the expence of Volunteer Carps In England and Ireland fur the year 1026, Lord A LT HORPE said the whole system of permanent cinty for volunteers was useless. if they were quartered in a country town, he admited, they could not pay their expences for 6s. or 7w per day. lie was himself a member of a volunteer yeomanry troops, but had never drawn any allowance money for perma nent service. The Noble Lord moved to reduce the estimate to 147,0001. Mr. Secretary PEEL bad found the volunteer yeomanry useful to the public. When the Hon. Member for Montrose considered the dicta of the Finance ComMittee of 1017, that Hon. Member should have. recollected that the Committee to which he alluded, spoke in the highest terms of the Volunteer Corps. With respect to the merits of the Volunteer Yeo manry, the-Right Honourable Gentleman ? us Secretary of the Home Department( was ready to give his opinion that the ' volunteer yeomanry were a most useful corps. They had claimed eta remuneration for their services an exemption from civil offices, but the Right Hon. Gentleman had never thought lie could comply ,with that request. Although lie bore testi mony to the utility of Volunteer Yeomanry, lie had no wish to enerease that corps, but had stated that it would be better for those wbo were not effective to retire. Many in consequence of that intimation had retired, and the number of yeomanry was greatly reduced. His general view of the service had been, that volunteers should not be done away with, but thatnounnecessary xpence should be incurred. The existence of this constitutional force rendered it unnecessary to call in regular troops when events occurred to disturb the peace. This description of force was useful in affording protection to property. They were not, however, to run down the people of England, as the Honour able Member for Montrose had stated. If the yeomanry corps were to be kept up, the public ought to pay the expence of per manent service. Ile supported the Resolution, believing that It was a sum which the service required. Sir It. HERON thought every shilling paid to the Volunteer cavalry so much money thrown away. When Volunteer Corps were called to quell internal disturbances, they were not the proper force. The disturbances at Manchester proved that the regular troops would have done their duty much better than the Yeomanry Cavalry. Lord JOHN RUSSELL thought Volunteer Corps did not keep up the peace of the country ; they were sometimes useful, but in general they did no good. The regulars were the best moving to reduce the a t'orce was ne c e s . force to prevent disturbance. The Noble Lord ho tthoughtdy e d by 25,000/. for this Volunteer Cavalry quite sufficient. He thought the vote come to that night was discreditable to t h e H ouse. nary.T e y The hadea h re rd ase c n onc w lu h so large estimate to 25,0001. rd no Noble u ~Sir'R. FERGUSON thought the Standing Army would keep the peace better than'Volunteer Yeomanry. He did not wish, to see a body of irregular cavalry b roug h t against t h e people of this country. lie considered the disciplined Eng lish cavalry the best in the world, and it was absurd to see irregular corps of volunteers wearing mustachios, like foreign veterans. iiii:TiENkTT said he had seen the Yeomanry highly useful. They acted as armed constables. He had known them supprtss riots without drawing a sword. He wished all Volunteer Corps might go on permanent duty for a few days,*anktheitsuffi.. eiency would be known. Colonel JOHNSON opposed the grant to the • Volunteers altagethtr. I Sir. JOSEPH YORKE had witnessed the excellent conduct Of the Yeomanry Cavalry. A riot in the country in which he resided was prevented by three regiments of volunteers. Mr. C. %V. 11'YN.N said Volunteev Cavalry was a • civil ibree, in Many instances they were more serviceable in the prevention of tumult than any other forces. Lord ALTHORPE thought the Volunteer Cavalry a useful corps. It might be 'made a political engine, but that was a remote consequence. He could not at the same time consider the system of permanent service in the least advantageous. .Sir li. VI‘TIAN bore testimony to the usefulness of the Yeomanry Cavalry. He thought they ought .to be often in kipected and made eilicient. Mr. BROUGHAM supported the amendment, which gave the least sum. It was protound peace, and they had Estimates calculated for war. Mr. 11011 HOUSE supported the • amendment. He had op. posed, year after year; a gre.at.ntilitary establiihment. From 1821 to 1823 the amount of the Estimates had been the same as in 1820. He wished to ask the Noble Lord whether they had come to the utmost stretch of these enormous Estimates ? 31r. GOOCH spoke in behalf of the volunteers. Mr. BERNAL said, they had 23 regiments, besides the Household troops and cavalry, therefore there could be no ground for keeping volunteer cavalry. Lord PALMERSTON explained the amount of the regular force employed.- It was impossible that regular cavalry could be employed in all parts of the country. Sir F. BURDE'rT considered the volunteer yeomanry a constitutional force. In Wilts and Berke he had seen most re spectable bodies of yeomanry called out to keep the, peace. In the massacre of Manchester the; force employed departed from the discipline of yeomanry cavalry- They made themselves armed partisans. The conduct of that body was not any im peachment to the yeomanry of the country. The Honourable Baronet could not admit that the regular troops ought to be employed before the yeomanry corps. Paying yeomanry for permanent service, was, in his opinion, a emitter of little mo ment ; at the same time, he should promote any reduction in the public expenditure that could be reasonably :axle. _Yeomanry should not be forced to go upon permanent duty. 111 r. Secretary PEEL said, the Secretary of State never dm. - nosed on the yeomanry cavalry the necessity of going out.-- .Chose corps generally asked permission to go out, s and the whole was arranged by the corps themselves. During four 7 years that ,he hail superintended those corps, there never had been a complaint of undue severity in calling out any corps, Lord MILTON said the Yeomanry Corps had been placed iupon a different footing from that on which they formerly stood. Thettir 'he Lord JOHN wasß RUSSELL p LL u t upon c n o t ns be ide 2s re ,o d oo th h e i lco a . rps ainen i usetlanesst Ainenilment for reducing the Vote to 1470 01 ' was also ne negatived, and the. original Resolution agreed to wit haut division. Mr. HUME then moved to report progress. The House consequently resurned.—Report on Monday. The other Orders of the .Day were disposed of and the adjourned at HALF-PAST TWELVE O : CLOCK till MOndaY• MINORITY AND MAJORITY For and against Mr. Denmaies Motion. condemning Ow P r° .. ceedings affecting the Slaves on the Trials in the. Warta 01 Jamaica, in the years 1823 and182.1...:-Matell 2 . MINORITY. • Gaskell, Ben. Heron, Sir R. Hobhouse, J. C. Heathcote, J. G. IloneywoOd, W. P. Kemp, T. K. Lushingtan, .Dr. 14 )Tester, Ralph Marioribanks, S. Martin, .J. Milton, Viscount Newman, R. W. Ord, W. G. • Phillips, G. R. Pares, T. Pelham, J. C. Poyntz, W. S. Palmer, C. F. Robinson, Sir Geo. - Rumbold,'_(3.ll. • „.Hassell,, Lod W. , Robarts, A. W.. M AJORITY. Dickinson, W. Dawstin; G. Driiunnond,. H. Dawson, M. . Ellis, Thome 4 Elliot, Lord BUIS, C. R. • East, Stn. Farquhar; .1. ' -- Farquhar, sir R. Graham, Marg. Gower, •hord F. L. Grant, Rt. Hon. C. Grant, Sir- A. Groi.s2tt, J. It. 0-Teri:lle, Sir C. Holmes, VV.. Heygate, Holdsworth, T. Berries, J. C. • Hawkins, Sir C. Hodson, J.,_ Huskisson, RtITOTI. Hope, Sir W. Holford, G. P. Ilardinge, Sir H. Innes, air H. Irving, John Kekewich, S. T. Knox, Hon. T. King, Hon. 11. Loraine ' Lind Lygon, Hon. C. Long, Rt.lin.Sir C. Lushington; S. R. liiildmay, P. St. J. rAiaxn OFF. Abercromby, lion. J. with Hill, Sir 1:11is, Hon. G. A. with Fremantle, W. Allen, J. H. Arland, Sir T. Attwood, M. Althorp, Visct. Butterworth, J. Buxton, T. F. Burdett, Sir F. Benett, J. Birch, J. Brougham, Henry Corbett, Penton Calthorpe, Hon. F. Crompton, S. Cavendish, C. Cavendish, H. Cole, Sir C. Colborne, N.W. R. Calera ft, J. Dailies, T. H. Duncsunou, Viact. Evans, Wm. Feryusson, Sir R. Guise, Sir W. Rice, T. S. Sykes, D. Smith, W. Smith, John Sebright ' Sir J. Taylor, AL A. Tierney, Rt. Iln.o. Tulk, C. A. TreitlEirle, J. 11. Tomes, J• Vivian, Sir R. IVilliams, 'Whitbread, S. a Wood, Alderman Wy vill, Webb e Colone l Wilson, Sir R. , Wilson W. W. to Wall, C. t Nirbitmore , SY. Denman, Tborno Nugent, Lord Apsley, Lord Arbuthnat,Rt lion. C. Banker, Henry hiankes, G. Banker; W. Beresford,lll. Boyd, W. Bradshaw, Jaynes Bernal, R.. Bright, Henry Bourne, Rt. .Hon. hientgpmery , M onte i t h, 0. Miles, P. North, J. Pennant, G. 11. V. Phillimorr, J. Ped, fit, Hon. I{. Povilett,,flon . Percy, Hem 11. Plunkett, 110. Palmer, Robert Pause, John Robinson,Rt lin.r • Robertson, A. Ross, C. • Rae,Rt.nn.SirW. Somer set, Lord F. rd O. Somerset , Lo Strutt, J. 11. Smyt h, W. 31. o n. J Upton,o rt, !Jon. A. Ure, Wetherell,Sir Sit C. V Wynn, Rt. lln. Wortley, J. S. Wodehouse,l;(. Wellesley,' 11 Warren, a Wynn, sir Brydies,- Sir E. Bagwell, Kt IlaW. Burgh, Sir U. Brownlow, C. Blair, J. Copley, Sir J. S. Childe, W. L. Campbell, A. Clerk, Sir G. Colthurst, Sir N. Coote, Si; C. Clive, Viscount Calvert, J. Cust, lion. Ed. Clinton, Sir W. Canning, Rt.Hn. G. Cherry, U. Cockburn, Sir G. Douglas, W. K. Denison, E. Dalrymple, A. Daly, J. Dawkins, J. Downie, It. rtLsof 4 ' 00 1167ItOiblIt711111:‘t,iTr. LIST OF THE MINORITY. the IsT On Mr. flume's Motion for making a Reduction ill Military Estahlishments.—March 3; n Vir. rl A • Allen, J. H. Hero n , s ir R. p o wlett, .--- A. Althorp, Visa , Hobluntse, J. C. Robertson, is" Bernal, Ralph Honeywood, W. P. Roberts, Birch, J. HOward, H. Brougham, Henry Knight, R. &nett, 4, Lamb, Hon. G. Ru lltf Blake, Sir F. Marjoribanks, S. Smith,il°bssier RRobers,b ert s , s° l n T . '''''' s j i (I II : . ' Bright, H. Martin, J. Tremart,lo.o. Burdett, Sir F. , Milton, Viscount TiCrileh 114 :1 aivies, T. H. Monck, J. B. IVilliarn s j..,• 11, Denman, T. Newman, R. W. Wilson, M on o. DtineAnnon, Visct. Ord, W. ' Woo(1, - 41,7" L. , . w y olj, Oh Evans, Wm. . Palmer, C F Ellice, E. Pares, Thos. Griffith, J. W. Pellifon, J. C. Guise, Sir W. Phillip s , 1.1. B. TETASit Hume, JosePo Mr. 'Watson for this Bo DEVIZES ELECTlox.—Yester ny, at d 12 o' c lock Tayloelected,without opposition Altobe r was roug I ' in the room of Mr. Ducknall Estcouri Gazelle, Afarch 2.) o-- , . ir., i 1 c _ ....... r .....-- / ' ELEPIIA NT AT gx ETV , . 'Cu ANGS.."--i` Cr^ tO be P o o op:wractrioirsiitshbategPar°nPt3ar'hiarrehanwilleibneenmtsatiweiklinobewnnliand: db ea ' Y °°- rg two' l uian _ n r teu _ l , 3 a t i o vl b ic:ti p o r n e s sen ar t e matadtehebyartitinsacteotimoincal, hpuutpi.,,,.. r tho b . roan_ I ,A o pplications have ' also been made to the proprietor, I baVe morning at five o'cloC .i l l i l , for r at P e im d fl esh, a ea na o t f ot ti n l i e st, been erect . off Hu -/ s nalt and several other distinguished c' dot _ er...e placing amongst his tars nipreu should vistten t he Managerie yesterday . It is 09' 4 ' ee le• Cur which liberal sums of moneY ci t The 13isitop of London, Lord Sovie,lilit'oe'.. _ the brain be di ssect 4 D i .,, sp u raileitne ,t' )° ,, te rdaY -I.l `tt l a_ i p li rep w ar as ed t as h: i -Co te n d tpos bY iti a o n n! in consequence ofipriorpermission the lgand' n obtained from Mr. Cross, Mr. Deville, PP" CIA cast' of the PToceeded to take a mould, in order lop rodle,o cast head of the prodigious beast, which Mr. DV jIIrO Cher intends perform that o feration. je- - h4 y. cal co u e ettol a u boto tr an, And a from ,tha thTeprhhregeenmnoodlogueirodi will, taker_i weight h ul e ;. ct a to the shoulders, and in its making seven hund molts and half of Plaster of Paris was used. The moult! r d : of 0 in seven p ieces or joints, and was removed from tilt hive r 0 44 animal with grot di ffi culty, and conveyed to Mr. ve'" - nufactory, where the cast is to be made froti , it,