The Sun. — London, England, 1809-03-25 00:00:00

IM PER IA L PARLIAMENT. HOLSE OF PEERS, FRIDAY, MARCH 24. • The R:iyal Assent was given by COMMiSSiaII to the 11:xcliequer Bills Fundi,:g Bill, the Royal Marine. Mutiny But, the Cape of Good Hope Trade Bill, - the Bermuda. Jamaica . Free Port Bill, the two Expiring Laws Biil, aticl some other Bills, in all, public and private, tOurteen.. The Commissioners were the . Lord Chancellor, the Earl of Aylesford, anti. Lord Wa!sitigilonnz - s: • Tlie North American. linpurtatiou Bill WiiS read a third time, and pa. ,, .eci. The Crown Office Clefts' Bill, and the New foundland Judicature Bill, paSsed through Commit , tees, and veers reported.' • The TobateirGc:noral rrn;4ort bil), arid a prit'are we? broui;bt up , from tne Coinrnoos- by Mr. Wharton., Mr.. CartwriOlt, and utlirr iNleuthers, and read a tirlit Mr. Irving, from the Treasury, presented Ac eoUntS of the Public Income and Expenditure or the year Isoa, which were' ordered to lie on the The Earl 'of Limooot, presented Returns re speaing the A , rmy in S'oaio-and Portugal,-in pur suance of an Address to the House. punue BILLS. • Lord I.treardst4u called the attention •of their Lordships to the manner of sending up the Public Bills to. that Floosie which peculiarly called for some alteraeion. the last Session no . less than 75 Public Bills were brought uotc> that House in the last tritetwteKs of the Session, 'which iniountedi to half the whole number of Public Bills passed during the Session, Stich a mass of Bills being sent up at SO late a period; it was, impossible that the requisite attentien could be paid to them, or that their Lord ships cuuld take their proper share in the.legislation of the country. Laid Geeevrlee also urged the great inconve silence which arose (rani this praalec,.ernd referred to a Petition it) the Votes of , the House of Com-• mons, from one of the Clerks of the House, apolo gizing for some mistake which had occurred on ace count of the multiplicity - of business at a late period o f the ae.iion,„ winch rendered it impossible' to pay the necessary attention to it. This evil had arisen to a height which loudly called Ibr the application of some remedy. A large seas of Bills were brought. up at perioe of the Session, when many Noble, Lords were necessarily absent in the discharge of their public duties, and any others in the discharge of their private duties, . which, from their import. ance, might be called public duties and thus the Bills were hurried through the House without the Possibility of considering them—a pra6tice which, if suffered to prevail, would render their Lordships' legislative fieeraibns in a great measure nugatory, and reduce the House to the situation of merely 'register ing the nets of the Com Mons. ••: • • The Earl of Levemoteobserved, that the Mass of legislation .was, in some degree, a subject fur congratulation, as it arose from the Increased wealth end prosperity of the'country. At the same time, hoWrei'er, he thoeght much might be dohe to de ,crease the*lness, iv generalising, instead of partici)• larisitte, and legislatiog More upon general prinei . - pies than Sin Oracular invances, as they were now yin the habit of doing. SOMe of the inconvenience als o arose, froti t - the time-taken up in discussions upon suhjecis which were not strictly matters of le eislatioo, an which neceicarily.currailed the time allotted for the eonsideretion of Bills. Th I Earl pf Melee : adverted to a pat ticular itt st.uCe ill the last Session, in which, from the pres sure of time,' a Bill of ecesiderebto importmice could • not be properly Ceesidered, The Duke of itioevot.e. observed, that the tocon volence was not merely fell with respect to Public BIN, het veteuded alSo to Private Bills. Lo l AIYCK LA t`4) agreed with the Nahle. Secretary of Statc, that the increase of legislation Wes to be sttributed to tineinereasing 'wealth and pioSperity of the'eoutitry, I . n tl,e year 17tit, for insrartee,•there ~ eere only 2g Public-Bills passed during the.whole SessiOn; whilst in the last three weeks of the last , Sesi.ion there we'll 75. This, however, was no reason .they should he sent up at.so late a pe riod .as.uot. to allow time to consider . them,, He should therefore move lar the appointmept of a Committee, to inquire with reTeCt to the' 'lumber of Bals brought up-from the Commons du s inf the last Session, And the aye respetlively at which they were brought up. The .Lots.o CstorceLtott wished for fOrther time to consider she Motion and Lord•Aunct.sNn consented to withdraw it for the pret4rit, R L, • Lord AncKl,4t4p, previous to proceeding: to- the Order of Iht• Day, wished to call the attention of the 'House to some .circutnitances connetlett with the Spanish question, upon which he thought grime In formation ought to be given ; he alluded to Ferrol— of which , place, togother with the squadron in the .port, and a large quantity of artillery, the enemy. had obtained possession, and had thus acquired a part of the Spanish naval means; in a position where they , ,were most dangerons to, the interests of the coun t r y ; and this, notwithstanding we had a number of diplomatic and military agents in Spain, notwith; s ta l i t tng we were communicating with the'Spanish 311111;36 for eight months, and had an army 113 for two months. It was essential that the [louse siMidd knOw what steps had been taken, with thi.l NievV of removing tit; - .1 ships at Ferrol front the grasp of the enemy, into which they had now unfortunate- Jifallen : he should .therctote move. for Copies or iaOs of all Com rnunieationl bet wecn the Spanish Government arid the. Wills") .Agents, .or Military !dicers in Spain,/espeaing't he Port of Ferrol. ' • .L.Qt'd Igitt.gartye 'Aid it would be necessary to $40.41410 .to consider the mot lfitt, iti alder to haye c.pportunitst of looking into the Papers. He had, hoWrover qo ohjeEtion to state that an application Vat Made to the Junta by tlie Admiral commanding off. COtnyina, urging the danger of the enemy's oh teltiWg possession of Ferrol; the necessity of remov . int the Flvet, and olfering,every assistance for that ' The answer received was, that Ferrol was 111Oc t - danger,' that it could defend itself against the, vOtnY., 0.1; 11 10 S tips es*Ore.eosen 'Wily necsary to its defence, He put it, therefore, t o their Lordships, whether force or violence ought to have been retorted .to. Probably the Noble Lord might think it necessary, after hearing this atittenient, to take further time to consider of his m . 04)114 The-Doke of NORFout had heard, with consider , ible ; slflrtn, the statement-of the Noble Lord. The Ships had been conaidered as essential to th e'dtience of the place and .yet Ferrol ilatl surrendered with. out-resistaneee , - By .ra - the tue tnot*.fvfargument, the Fleet at Cadiz might , alsofa4 into the possession of the enemy. • Surely some meanslnight bolas been touted of removing the Ships at Ferrol from the power of the enemy ; 'they might have been sent half triant.n..d to Minorca, or any other place where !bey wci.ild have heal out of his reach, Whilst upon his lags, i* wiPilled to ask the. Noble Secretary, ol State, wilco it was likely the Treaty with the Spanish Go. vernment woold be laid before the House ? Lord Gril:N111.1-Z said, after the wish expressed by the Ntibit Lord (Mulgrave), his Noble Friend would prObahlrwithcli..tw his motion, but he trusted his Noble Friend ; on again making it, would enlarge it, so , as to include all the communications lad Liken place on this . subjefif. He bad heard 'with psitt the statement of .the Noble Lord, and could not bUt thiek that there had been a great want of - prudence and foresight in the conduit of Ministers, in hot having taken measures to secure the Fleet at from the grasp of the enemy. He did Opt mean to say, that they ought to haVe resorted to force and violence against an Ally, but he thought, they had been deficient in measures of friendship and conciliation, which would have produced a far different efre6t. The Earl of LIVERPOOL had always deprecated any attempt to obtain a partial obje& for eur own advan tage, in the assistance given to Spain. It had icon- , shindy been the policy of his Majesty's Ministers'to ,give a disinterested support to the,Spanish cause, from which, ultimately, the greater advantage - would arise, and from which already many advantages had flowed. He was glad to hear • the Noble, Lord (Grenville) say, that force and violence ought not to have been resorted to, and he trusted the Noble Baron wait prepared to ge further and to saye that neither threatnor menace ought toll:ire been adopt edtowards,our Ally. With resped.to the question, of the Noble D,uke, he expeaed to have his Ma jesty's commandeto-Ny the - Treaty with the Spanish Govert;ment before the'Hoese on MOnday.• iii E.el of. Btu:lemon/oast-nee, was disposed to agree the Noble Earl, that neither force or vio lence, nor threat, nor menace,: ought to have been used.; brit deeply- lamented that, after the statement made with respect to the Ships being essernial -to rho defence of Ferrol, that, that place. should have sur rendered...x.lolmq ree,istence. Lord AUCKLAND agreW to withdraw his motion for the. pregent, in consequence of what had been said by the Noble Lord (Mulgrave) ; but he would tint believe that such could have been the conduct of the Spaniards until the ehn were before the House. It vees ach no leti4cd hat the loons ex isted of removing tin' Fle, , t, ant( the ad Vni:eh 13111letin confessed that the inhabitants of ii*L.rmfi were all Faiglidi at heart. There NV OS lIINICture. •:concurrence of cheumstanccei to prove, that the 'Fleet might have been 'rescued from the grasp of the enemy.. L.,rl G t:y observed, that a' heavy responsibility rested upon Mitesters with respea to the Spanish navy. They baa suffered the fuss m Ferrol to fall into the hod, of the enemy, aed if the plea they leideet up wits to belllOwed, with what hope could they look to the other pelts: of Spain ?. tt _was not only at Cadiz, Ifisted by the Noble D u k e , th a t there was -a .Sparti4h fleet, but there, was alsoet Car thagpne .a considerable ;squadron, which had arrived there from IVlinorca';and the responsitelny rested with Ministers; that these fleets' should 'not bc Converted by the enemy into of hos aoinst ehis century. '&4ft 'father cinivetiation' ensiled with Trope& to britignje forward the motion on a future day, but leeer'.4l,ecklinid deolined fixing time day, and rather wished that Ministers woualeek ito into h t f h tAe edicxtzii) ctt,t.ts relating to the subject, snit tly or 'twin its :t:UUICI be made public with Out detriment to the public service. ' CAMPAIGNAN SPAIN, Ti se f;;;r1 of DA-1111LEY'r03d to tilavefor several:ad.: ditional Pipers reipe6ting Spain. J-lis- I...ordhip'reati several;Motions,,the'first ot Whicli was, for th,! pro , . thicifon of Abe:Letter, of Mr, Frere and Mr. Stuart to Sir John Moore and Sir DA i;1 Baird, which, he uuderstuod, would not be of j:4cd to.. The ot h ei i Were for the production of several dispatertei from Mr. Secrethry Canning to Mr. Freto,'a diTooih urn Sir John Moore, dated the 13th of January 11,t . , a I..,etter from Gene Cal Broderick, Which he considered to be import:int to the' discussion of the' Spanish question, as it related to the de4eiettey:of cavalry; in ,Spain, a deticienCy the more inelieniable, as vvc had a force .of twenty-one th(wiatyl cavalry, •eigbte..n thousand of which might Itavct been spitted tot Ilia assistance 'd Spain. Also the , 4 diipatch from Lord Castlereagh tO'Sir flew Dalrymple, dated the 4th of ,Septembfir, with the inetosures,- and the itisirnetions to Sir Hew Dalrymple, with reepeet to thelormation of the Regency in Portug,al, truth which bad befoul been moved for aud refuscd.,.• but which he still thought evential to. t h e discussing of the general . question. He ifid not wish to a nti c ip a t e ' 'that dis 7 cussion ; but lie cold net but from a perusal i o f f the papers before the , House, that the blame of our failareS in Spain must .test with his Majesty's Ministers,. The Earl of Livrit mot. adverted to the grounds on which he had' before objeded to the Predation of Mr. Fiere'S Letters, they never haVing sheen official» ly transmitted by Sir John 'Moore,. That this , was not clone might be easily,accounted for by the Mul tiplicity of business which pressed upon that gallant Officer. He admitted' that the letters were in the possession td a Member 9f his Majesty's Govern ment but still 'the obje6tion remained,' that they were not strjaly _ctffici4. He -had also objetled that they had no.operation upon the march of the army in .Spa n. f-fe onderstood, - however, that persona nearly : . oattne6led with Sir John Moore, were extremely ..aniious for their production, and her would not:now oppose their 'being laid before the House.. With respect to' the. Letters of Mr. §tivirt, they, were not in the posiession of his Majesty's Go vernment. To the produ6liou of. one of the t:ia patches from Mr, arerctny Panning, Blinded to it) dispatch frem Lord.Costleresigh of the t3th.of De , cymbal - , he ob r ktled, as it referfed prospectively to' future circumstances, and cruld not, without &fie ment to the public service be produced. With re spett to the dispatch frem Sir John Moore,dated the lath of January, it required consideration, whether it was expedient to produce it. To the other mo , tiona he had po.objeCtion, with the exception of the two, which had before been refused, and to which he must utiu obje6t, as the publication of them would hbe detrimental to the public service. The letter from Geee.ral Broderick he had no obje6tion to pro ' duce, and upon this point, with respect to the ca valry, he would take occasion to say, that it would be found when the question' came to be discussed, that there was no objection made against the condud of Ministers less founded or more futile, than that of , the deficiency of cavelrys The Earl of ROSSLYN reposed a motion for . sonic further Papery respecting Communications be tween Mr. Prere and the President of Spain. Lord GRENVILLE thought it necessary to take notice of an observation made by the Noble Secie tary of State, imputing blame to Sir John Moore for not transmitting the Letters of Mr. Frere. The' Earl of LIVERPOOL apologised' for interrupt ing the Noble Lord, but thought it incumbent on him to state that 'he did not intend to impute blame to Sir John Moore.' All he meant to state was, that in the regular official course of business, the Letters .were. to have been transmitted either by Sir John Moore or Mr. Frere. That they were not transmitted by Sir John Moore might be accounted for, by the' multiplicity of business in which he was engaged, and from his not being in the habit,Of that species of official communication. Lord .GIIRNVILLR could not allow that the not. sending these letters should be in any manner charg ed:upon the distinguished Officer now no more. It. was the duty of his Majesty's Minister* Madrid to transmit officially to the Secretary of State the let-• tors which he• had officially written to Sir John Moore., Flu did not mean to impute blame to Mr. here for net transmitting the letters, but if there was any blame it ought to attach to 'bellying Mi e n nster, and not to the ,memory of.,the illustrious Commander whom we had enfortunately lost. The tirst Motion, Jro Mr. Frere'a Letters, was agreed to. •On the second Motion, for• the letter from Lord Castlereagh to - Sir Hew Dalrymple,. of the 4th of September, with the inclosures, a . ithort conversation, arose, in which Lord Viscount Sidmouth adverted . to ivhat had been said when the Motion was for plenty made, and Eerl Grey thought it was incum ; bent on Ministers to state some more precise ground of nhjection to the production of these Papers than that of its being detrimental to the public service. The Earl of Lite:avow. stated in reply, that' the inclosures to which the Motion' referred, were the observations of the Portuguese Minister upon the coedesion of the Armistice. His Majesty's Go ; verineeet had thought it expedient to transmit them td Sit .1-rew , Dalrymple, and it -was upon the kiwi.), pieta of. making public the representation of the Portuguese Minister, that he fel; a compliaoce the Noble ,Earl's Motion , injurious to the petit: .service. - &111 GREY contended, that if the objeCtiqu of his Majesty's Government only extended to the incto , sures, lie trusted for the atesitie. , cence of his Majes ty's Ministers, in the nmenctrnent which he sht.uld pruposetor the,produetion of either a copy ot ey,ira‘tt of the le:ter of Lord Castlereagh of this . 4th ot Set.)- lumber, withoet tileincloseres. The Earl of ley neeoce answered, 'that the oris ginal letter,"without Ihe incloseres, could DOI itifuld the NOble gall:elle information . he. songht, It only went to rotes what his Majesty's' Ministers were , ' , rvAdl: lo.allow, that on the intimation the; the Ars 1111NtiC0,1Vati,concluded, they were much dissatiseed with that measure. • The Earl of Bey . LlNCnaaistitee weld not". recen. cite the ilisSatistiOtion witch tbe N'oble Earl (Liver .pool) stated tahave been telt by Mullster,, with ti;e demonstration of public: reteiciugs weich took' placer When the iirtii,,iiVet4;l l el the Armistice was receis , . ece At all evet “ , i, he thought it but ju,tice to Sir Hew Dalrymple, tlir,t the dispatch of the 4th should be laid before this Home. Lord GRENVILLE could not conceive how any man, e=ven loe the w attest ,tench 01 i maginatioe, could fancy that tlrrru was any possibility of danger to his Marsty's belS ICU!, from a compliance with the limited ,ind cv.utlitied aineedeient of his Noble Friend. The Earl of levearooe (wned, that it was the usage to:rest» t to ptiblie rejoicings, when .the coun4 try o f an oily ‘‘'as evacuated by the enemy, in con; si-euence of theoperations of British troops. Iti.ac 'corclance with thavusage, 'the Tower gt:ll4 were fired On the communication ot the Conventien of Cintra being concluded. It del not, however; follow, that therefore his Majestytegovertnnent had epproved'of all the articles of that measure.. . He. did believe that it ,was usual to order similar , demonstrations of public-rejoicings, 'witch an Island belonging to the enemy was taken possession of by British - troops, although very stiong objeetiona were entertained by ; cievernment at Wine,. with resped to the specific provisions of the capitelatioe. The question was then put upon the amendment .01 Earl-Grey, end' strangers were, ordered to with • drew preparatory to a divisicn ; but. during our ab sence, we understand . the motions were negatived without a divisiOn. • We also !runes), that Earl Grey fixed upon an early day, after the . Easter recess, for the diseusbion of his imended,MotiOti on the condutt of the Spanish Campaign. Adjournod until Monday. HOUSE OF COMMOAS. t ~~ , The Deputy Udier . of the Black Rud appeared. at the Bar, and summuned the. House to attend at the Bar of the Limid, to hear the, Royal Assent given . by Comn,ia 3 . 1011 to certain , public and private The SPZAKER, Ott bis return trout the .HUuse of Lords, acquainted the House that hii Majesty's EtVal Asticut lied been given byCommlision to the, Tull for.:Grantini Annuities for the Redemption , o( Exchequer Bit's; to the Bill for regulatioViie Boyal.Marines while on Shore the Jamaica Free 'Port Bill, and several - private Bills. Mr. THORi:TON brought up the Fourth Report of this Finance Conintittee ; ordered to be printed. The Aceountant•G,:neral of the Bank of England produced - an Account of all the Bank of England Notes in circulation from the Istof Febravy, 100, to the at of February, IRog. • 'A Person from. the Exchegner brou.:lit op a count of the Funded Debt of Great P.; itoirt up ft/ tb ist of February, Mg.—Ordered to t printed, • The House resolved itself . it.to n continitte! of the whole House, to comider of the Navy-Lltticai Widows Pension Bill, and the itt:port was ordtrc.. 4 , to be received on Monday next. The Order of the.Ddy,,for.tlteconsjderetion -of the Plymouth Police Biil was postponed to Monday. An Account of all the Sugars imported Into Great Britain in the.course of last year Was 9rdered to be laid upon the table. The Malta Priz,:, Ship Registry Bill was reported, and ordered to be read a third titne On. Monday .next. Mr.- WHARTON' brought up the Report. of the Committee on th-- propriety of Ic.)wering the Duties on Spirits distilled from Sugars its Ireland. • - Lord TrZcPLE withdraw his notice for the pro duaion of Papers relative to the Campairm in Spain, and said lie should bring his Motion Rirward again at au early period after the Holidays. Mr. Vititraat‘p also. postponed his llotion for the production the last dispatch of Sir J. Moore till after the Holidays.; . Lord CASTLEREAOIi said, the returns to which the Noble Lord..(Temple) had alluded, would have been produced before, but difficulties had arisen in pro curing returns from two or three of the rugiments. He hoped,. however, to lay the Returns of tie Army in Spain before the House on Monday' er Tuesday next. Mr. Hug:moots presented an account of the ~ Money sent to Spain a n d P u rtuial.. Ordered to lie • on the table, and to tieprinieu. On the Motion of Sir ARTHUR WELLESLEY, leave was given to bring in a Hill l'or comrleting the Irish Militia. , • h Mr. WILARTON brought the . Ilt 7 port of the Iris• • Flax-seed Bounty Bill.—Ordered tti be received uo Monday next. Mr. DANICL Gluts inquired, if any p roceeditigs bad been initituted in consequence of the abustl ,which had been discovered by the Commissionets of Naval Revision, to `prevail in the Medical "partments of the'Navy. Mr. Rosa stated, that proceedings had been insti tuted in consequence of the Reports of the Connuts eioners of Naval Inquiry ; but he was unable to 61 what progress had been made in those procerdink;s• The CitAticr4oa of the glcCOC ti litit gave Puce , . of his intention on Monday next to bring i a Hill Kt prevent abuses in Army Brokerage, and the 04 0 4 of Military Commissions. Sir JOHN Newvoirr moved that there be.laid be fo roh the House Minutes of au! Procectlinga' of 10 Irish Linen Board in the year 1890. The House resolved itself into a Committee on tho Pension Duty Bill, and the ll,epOtt vow ordered 10 be received on Monday next. GENERAL CLAVERINC. The Serjeant at Arms having rep . ort64 that he head taken Gehetal CLaveriiig Into custody, Mr. WyNN ntoved, that Gen. ei:tvering, havipg os grsly prevaricated in hii • evidvtice given het - ores Cotuanitee of the ,wllo.le ouse,.aud - being DOW in .tbe CAlitchly of the...Serjeant acArtits, be cointnitted to the culitodY Pt the keeper ut. his Majesty's Pl.!' son of INewzate.—Agreed. ' • • r 1.1 . 114. , s r of fhb T.,ord CASTLE:(F.I . (AIi ITlOycd the ri„ DAy for the 4..vt,14 lteathug of the Militia %Pr p:,•tion . Lord AncuipALD HA,IILTON objecled to the . ; neral principle c)Lthe-rnewiore, w huh he contended was ruinous to the constitlitiOnal deteh‘e of the my! tion, and 'Concluded witit moViut& that the silt , be tad a* tiCuacl. tilite itqce J ui.mtbs. Mr. Giles, Coloneti-lack,:tt, Mr. Lockhart, and said a te'w words ,' when the Eking), 1 'divided, kur Lim 4.nirp4lngtit, Ayv* VOl , 41.9e$ Nl,Vority it . • 1:114 ti,ti wact then-read i second time, end'orcloro .- . Irish Zwiring 1,4;.16 , 11 - 14:111 went.through 00 to be cutilillitted on Mond.ty . ."' rinse us ' , House..- Report ordered tote reCeived'oa Monday The Iri,h ProVision*E'x'pOrt Prohibition Bill want through a Commtt tee,of the , whole House, Repot .1 ordered to be "hroughrO4i Oti,,MOnday next: Tim Coinniittix of W ai* and:Mons adjourned to 'Monday neLt. 'rite Biif for increns:6g :Rates paid to i oo k c epqrs wag read a ti , st time.-44jourticd. MAILS. CottenburAb, Alsita. isbon, i.otzbluk. . , 3%V wcuriona. THE SUN. ' i 110LIM QUIS AIC¢MR sALtUNI AUDIAT? O D U N, sAlukDAy, 1809. We this day received American Papers to the 10th ult. and tht:ir contents are of imp/mance. At al" pars that the (liitres.l-.N which the Erni) trio 11;111 occasinncU in every part of Arneric;+, and tie d places manifested to vi o l ate i t b y f orc e, have Hr length induced Mr..ltzt , Paiotsi to depart in born e dr grec from his f avour i te system.: It.,vris the deterril l " * Lion .of the Am e ri can G over n ment, far 3$ " .e havettu2liis p~ai.tion which the.: it►habitaut3 il; can culled from' these •PaPers, that the E.Mhargo should cease on the 4th of thiS Month; ,but in O le room of it, a law was to pass, prohihiiing all tetrourse with Great B. italti tint! France, and t h"' lr dependencies: 'By this meastire, the Americans %Aill be allowed to trade with all countries not at present engaged in war. We think it necessary, upon this sul t ivO, to s d .'•" - vert to a Paragraph in an Opposiiien Paper pf day, which states, that the American Govert:a tent has rescinded • the Embargo rr with an dn' derstandit , g that his Majesty, i n t h e notific4 o °P of this arrangement, w ill repeal the Orders in Council, so far as relatet to are enabled to , state; in tit& most pasiiive - miniferi that no such understanding subsists between the 1