The Sun. — London, England, 1836-02-12 00:00:00

IRELAND To rob the poor in open day The pampered parson leaves his ; By Peelers join'd, he takes his - ea v , With village brats areup2, him jelling. Behold him rush, ble eager hounds,- When hares 'Jr foxes meet their eyes ; Sheep, goats, and oxen he impounds, Whil e , struck with dread, the peasant flies. For, should the poor say " might's not right," The man of God, his flock surrounding, 'With musket-balls soon ends the fight, The Peeler's horn " all's well " resoundfn7. .Freeman. CLONMEL ELECTION.-Mr. Ball, accompanied by the gen tlemen composing the deputation from the electors, calling on him to offer himself for the representation of the borough, with Mr. Power, his conducting agent, arrived in town at four o'clock, surrounded by thousands of the inhabitants, who met him about two miles from town with the amateur band. In his address he declared himself a determined supporter of the present administration, and an uncompromising friend to Re form. . _ _ ---I .VI ---- r. W. H. Curran presided to-day, for the first time, as a Commissioner of the Insolvent Debtor's Court. Pans°Ns.—What have they gained by their recent Exchequer proceedings, asks the Freeman? The I..tishop of Tuarn, in the recesses of his heart, saith—there no writ un der Heaven like the writ of rebellion. Well., they have it now, and what more? Absolutely nothing' • We will make a short appeal to facts. There are are a,,, t4 '"resent in Ireland at least 600,000 tithe recusants. TIP - e costs of a bill filed in the Court of Exchequer, includir.g t r wenty defaulters, will amount to one hundred pounds e-s. over —or in the proportion of five pounds to each o.efau%er, so that sum of three millions ster ling would be reV•site to bring them to the bar of the Exche quer. Here the " instrument under Heaven " has discharged its duty % and the prisoners await incarceration. How can that he effected, and how can the starving parsons and indi gent Orange Peers with mortgaged fortunes, constitute the sum of three, or two', or one, or half a million ? LORD ROSSI4I4 refer with pleasure to an address from the Kint,„: ounty to this patriotic nobleman. Merncip EFORNI.—An Admirable petition, to both Houses of' liament, praying for a reform in the Corpora tions of nd, is now lying for signatures at Waterford. FAB • ED OUTRAGES.—Are we never to have done w1.': 13 the man acture of outrages? A branch of the traLc for inventing " State of the Country" atrocities ha 4 been got up in the county of Fermanagh. Tuara.—Santous AFFAIR..---Sunday evening, in Tuam, some persons were invited to the house of a respectable shoemaker, and during the night some misunderstanding arose among the company, upon which most of the persons present retired ; one young man and the owner of the house, with his son, re mained within. The dispute continued, and the young man above mentioned stabbed the other two, one of whom is now dangerously ill—Galway Patriot. COUNTY OF KERRY LIBERAL CLUB.—A new club is to be establisked in Tralee, to be called " the County of Kerry Liberal Club and Chamber of Commerce." The funds ae:',es sazy for the club are to be raised by shares. Mr. Fitzpatrick, of Ossory, has been nominate. High Sheriff of the Queen's County, and either has beetan or will be im mediately sworn in. DUBLIN. AND VALENTIA It!..n.wi.y.—Notwithstanding that Valentin has been consider-A by the first scientific men as, the most suitable station for the objects contemplated by the pro posed Railway, we Lid by the Dublin papers that those consi derations are likely to give way to the line from Dublin to Galway ; and that the Lord Lieutenant has pledged himself to advocate the latter course. The Presbyterian School in Strand -street, consists of eight Catholics, eight Presbyterian s , an d t we l ve mem b ers o f the Es tablished Church, with any of whose conscientious opinions not the slightest interference ever took place. SHIPPING INTELLIGNCE. VESSELS ENTERED IKINVAUDS AT THE CUS TOM-HOUSE, FEB. 11. The Earl of Liverpool, Lomax, from Ostend; Alert, Hedger, Guernsey; Liberty, Pain, Boulogne; Cater, Mer rills, D•jnkirk. ENTERED OUTWARDS FOR LOADING, FEE. 11. The Prince of Saxe Coburg, Ladd, for Rotterdam; Mal vina, Bucket!, Pernambuco; Elizabeth, Gilbert, St. Malo's; Maria, Callings, Corfu; Mary, Sterry, ditto; Matilda, An drews, Demerara; Heroine, Thompson, New Calibar ; Jeune Garcon, Rogo, Ghent; Westminster, Moore, New York; Jonge Johanna, Dillwyn, Antwerp; Sir E. Banks, Norwood, Hamburgb ; Harlequin, Corbin, Rotterdam. CLEARED OUTWARDS WITH CARGO, FEB. 11. The Eveline, Gangeisin, fr.,r Sidney ; Pabalm, Lang, Balti more; Williams, Menknian, Antwerp; Miranda, Lowell, Antigua; Mary, Stewart, Guernsey ; Secret, Gale, Madeira. CLEARED OUTWARDS IN BALLAST, FEB. 11. The Loblinstrrim, Talk, for Copenhagen ; Scotsman, Binny, Antigua. ARRIVED AT LIVERPOOL, FEB. 10. Mace n, Osborne, from Savannah ; Lamlash, St. Michael's ; RermUie, Williams, New York. ENTERED FOR LOADING, FEB. 10. The Imogen, Riley, for China ; Aberfoil, Dowling, Deme rara ; Hunter, Sterry, Messina and Palermo ; Eli Whitney, Harding, jun., New York ; Jean Van Eyck, Carnelisse, Ostend. CLEARED OUTWARDS, FEB. 10. The Severest, Ditchin, for Leghorn ; Beverly, Tait, St. John's, New Brunswick ; Amelia, Overhand, Rotterdam ; Belgrave, Williams, Wilmington; John Troughton, Flem ming, Charleston; Labina, Toss, Lisbon. The following is an extract from a letter addressed by Colonel Evans to his constituents, received in town on Fri day :—" You may rely on it, I am most anxious to return to resume the duties of the distinguished and most highly prized office which you and my other friends in Westminster raised me to, although those great interests which you all approve of my supporting, will not permit me to do so for some little time longer." JARVEYS DONE.—One day last week, a fellow got into a cabriolet in the Rue Taranne, in Paris, and drove .to the Rue Neuve des Petits Champs, where he got out, at the entrance of the Passage Colbert. In a few moments he returned hastily, and begged the cab driver to lend a five franc piece, as he was going to hire a domino, and could not get it without depositing forty francs. The Jehu forked out the blunt, and the masquerader disappeared—he traversed the passage, turned down the Rue St. Augustin, and took another cab on the Place de la Bourse, ordering the driver to take him to the Passage Vivienne. When he got there he played the same game over again, and a second time he disappeared. About one o'clock in the morning, the two cabmen, who knew each other, met in the Rue Vivienne, still on the look out for the borrower—and then mutually recognised how completely they had been done. We fancy, if an English cabman or jar vey were similarly appealed to, what the answer would be— " I wish you may get it l" Could not the phrase be translated and sent over to Paris, for the edification of the Knights of the Whip. ATROCIOUS CRUELTY.-- , A brute in human form ' committed an act of the most horriblo o cruelty on Saturday last, on his defenceless wife, who (which adds to his guilt) is now far advanced in pregnancy. The name of the un manly wretch is Marsden, a table-knife grinder, who lives on Brampton Moor, but usually works at Sheffield ; on his re turn from that place to his home, to spend the Sabbath, he became actuated, as is supposed, by unfounded jealousy, and he had the brutality to set a ferocious dog, which he bad brought with him, at bis wife. The savage beast fastened on her chin, but she beat him down ; being again urged on, he fastened on her lip, the brutal husband holding her, while the dog worried and mangled her in the most shocking manner, The poor creature ran out on the road with the dog actually banging to her arm by his teeth, and she was at length re leased by the interference of the neighbours, but not before she had been dreadfully bitten in various parts of her body ; her hands were bitten through in several places, and she now lies in a most dangerous state. Her precious husband de camped on Monday morning, awl has not since been heard of. —Derbyshire Courier. DEATH FROM STARVATION.—On Sunday ldst, James Gibson, of Kirkby Lonsdale, but formerly a tea-dealer in Kendal, was round dead on the west side of the road, near Barkin House, between this town and the former place. The deceased, it appeared, had been seen near Hutton Bridge-end on his road to Kirkby Lonsdale, about eight o'clock the pre ceding night, at which time he seemed not to be sober ; indeed, he fell on his back when about 100 yards from Hutton Bridge end. From that time until, he was di.q.covered by Mr. Hutton Lupton, of Barbon, no one seems to hive observed him : he was quite dead when found, and no footsteps were discernable in the wow near the body. Hee bat'. on his person at the time a loaf of bread, some muffins, 10s, 6d. in silver, and 41d. in copper. Deceased was "lying on 'his right side when found, near the ditch, with his. heatA towards Kendal, and his feet towards Kirkby Lonsdale„ 'An inquest was held on the body, on Mon day last, before .,/ :‘ichard Wils on , •E sq ., an d a respectable jury, who, after ':itYc investigation, came to the conclusion that the unfortutratr.; deceased had perished on Sunday night, through fatigue 4and starvation. —Kendal Mercury. [ls the verdict recone;:teable with the fact stated above, namely, Ott "he had tin his person bread, Szc., &e."] LOVE, &c.—On Saturday night, about half-past twelve o'clock, as the prAice constable Jones, D 147, was on duty in the inner circle of,,the Regent's •Park, he thought he heard the voice of some person on the other side of the enclo sure. He immediztely got ovtr the palings, and had only walk e d a short distance wlin he discovered some male wear ing apparel lying on the ground; and a few _yards from the sho re , in the ornate.'ental water, a young man standing breast deep, and calling upon " God to forgive him for the sin he was Shout tu.'commit." The constable spoke to him, asking biu whaVee was about to do, when he coolly replied, " to dr ° afte r_ 'Myself : " The constable expostulated with him, and 111,1 a, great de a l of persuasion he came out of the water, and ng dre sse d himself was conveyed to the Marylebone Infir tnary, where he was ordered to bed, and he has since remained there in a very weak state. His name is Thomas Hutchins ; be is about eighteen years of age, and has for some time past lived as pot-boy at the Buffalo's Head, New-road, which house be left on the night in question, at twelve o'clock, to repair to his lodgings in Star-street, Lisson-grove. He has subse quently stated as his reason for such strange conduct, that he felt very much distressed in consequence of his mother having lately married a second husband, and that circumstances, cou pled with his being slighted by a girl whom he dearly loved, bad made him come to the determination of putting a n end t o his;existeace, IMPERIAL P HOUSE OF COMA The SPEAKER took the Chair NEW M Captain DEANS DUNDAS, tl was introduced by Mr. ANoER! his scat. The Hon, and 0.11 on coming to the table. BRIGHTON Lord GEORGE, 14tNNO the Standin , ,t, 1 3Mers Commit Railway 13111. TIK;y reported been eom;;;ied with. PRINTING OF BILLS AN. Mr. BERNAL, after present Bills, said that he understood gl in consequence of a. resolution • pointed on the motion of the h which only a certain number a and Members Were only entitlei whatever might be the suhlect imperative, and no Member co Tid e se Members who might bf constituents, to furnish them them to be very mach Intereste individual copy, and to send it were the circumstances of the comment.---(Elear, hear.) E notice should be taken of t' should be done to remedy th sure, neither the Hon. MembL. Members of the Committee could have anticipated.--( Hear.) Sir E. KNATCHBULL entirely agreed with what had fallen from the Hon. Member, who had very properly intro duced this subject to the notice of the House. The SPEAKER had stated, the other day, that when he had the honour to be chosen to fill the situation he did, he had hoped that a Committee would be appointed to assist him in these matters ; and, indf'd, he thought he was only acting respectfully towards the House In waiting for the as sistance of such Conamittee, lie had, consequently, during the last Sessin, abstained from making any order respecting the prirl*: mg and distributing of bills. The only step which he I :,ad taken was to havellie papers sold at the cheapest rate possible.—( So we understood the Right Hon. Gentleman, who was very inaudible.) Mr. BARING said that undoubtedly there was some diffi culty in the case. Formerly certain offices had a certain quantity of copies of all papers, on which they made a profit, and it was by this means that the public obtained these papers. This had been cut away during the last session, and at pre sent the public had no power to obtain these papers. It was recommended, last Session, that these papers should be sold, in consequence o f whi c h the Speaker had given directions that they should be sold at a very kw rate--indeed at an extremely low rate. The House must understand this, that either there must be a sale of these papers, or, to a cfretain degree, they must allow Members as many copies as they liked. They must decide between these two points. His own impression was, that if the papers were sold at an ex tremely low rate, it would be a very fair means of furnishing the public. Mr. EWART could not acquiesce in the opinion of the Hon. Gentleman. He did not think that in all instances persons ought to be put to the e x p ense o f p urc h as i ng t h ese papers.—( Hear, hear.) He knew two cases in which applica tion was made to him for papers—one was from a Society of schoolmasters and teachers, who were desirous of possessing all Parliamentary papers relating to education. He thought that if any literary society, who could not afford to pay for such papers applied for them, they ought to pet them without expense. In the case of Bills, the papers should be had, because other wise their constituents would not have an opportunity of know- ing what was doing in that House. Mr. SHAW felt the inconvenience of the rule as it at pre sent stood ; and, but for the kindness of the Speaker, he should be (yesterday) much at a loss for certain papers, which he required. He submitted that there should be a great faci lity to the public in getting Parliamentary papers, and the subordinate officers of the House should not have the power of selling them. No Member, he thought, would ob ject to give in such a case a discretion to the Speaker of letting Members have the documents they wanted.• Mr. HUME was not in the House when the di.!- certain agreement or treaty had been entere. Daniel O'Connell and Alexander Raphael, by which the said Daniel O'Connell covenanted and agreed to procure the return of the said Alexander Raphael for the County of Carlow, in consideration of two sums of 1,0001. each ; that that as was represented as a safe speculation and carried into effect by both parties ; that the first sum of 1,000/. was so paid, and that previous to the election for Carlow, a . certain paper or address signed " Daniel O'Connell" was put into circulation in the county recommending to the electors the said Alexander Raphael, who was hitherto a perfect stranger ; that after the election, the second sum of 1,0001. was so paid as agreed upon to John O'Connell, acting under and by the desire of his father; that a petition had been presented complaining of the return; and that previous to the ballot for a Committee the said second sum of 1,0001. was paid to, and received by, said John O'Connell ; that after such receipt, said Daniel O'Connell, and John O'Con nell, attended the striking of the ballot, and Mr. O'Connell having answered to his name, was suffered to remain on the Committee, and was sworn at the table well and truly to try the merits of the petition according to the evidence. The petitioners submitted that such conduct was in violation of their rights as electors, and of the privileges of that House. Having now discharged his duty to his constituents, he should abstain from making any remarks, being sure that none were necessary in a case characterised by such monstrous proceed ings--( Hear, hear, from the Opposition)—but would leave the matter altogether in the hands of the House. The Petition was then read by the Clerk. Mr. HARDY then rose to present the Petition he had been entrusted with, but was interrupted by Mr. O'CONNELL, who said—Sir, I interfere between the two petitions. The reason of my interfering will at once be obvious to the House. In the first place, Lhope there is not a single man in the House who differs from me in opinion that there are grounds of inquiry, and grounds for a Committee, laid in that petition.—( Hear, hear.) It is my opinion there are.--( Hear, hear.) I have always voted for an inquiry, if there have been Parliamentary grounds stated for that in quiry, whether the case has been my own, or that of any body else ; and when grounds are stated, I always will vote for an inquiry.—( Loud cheers.) On the, present occasion, as far as I am concerned myself, I shall not complain of the unusual I will not call it a monstrous proceed ing—(Cries of " Hear, hear")—but the unusual proceeding, that such a petition should be in the hands of any Member without giving a copy of it, or an intimation of its contents. For myself I scorn to complain, but I appeal to every man of good feeling—l . appeal to every father in this House—whether it was right to introduce the name of Mr. John O'Connell?— (Cries of " Yes.") I don't say introducing his name, but without giving him notice ?—( Hear.) How could the Hon. Member—is he a father I —how could he think of bringing forward an allegation against the integrity, upon oath, of Mr. John O'Connell, without giving him an intimation of the charge ?—( Loud cries Of 4- Hear," and cheering. )-- Party spirit is bad, but it is infernal when it tears up by the roots every kindly, and generous, and ho nourable feeling of our nature, and indulges in an imputation of what ? Perjury And against, before God, as pure a creature as ever breathed—the Member for Youghall. If the Hon. and Gallant Member had in his composition any thing of humanity—if he were not the person whose desolated villages-4 Tremendous cheering, which lasted for some time, and drowned what the Hon. Member said) — if he - were not the person against whose tyranny the widowed mother raised the voice of complaint—( Renewed cheering)—if he were not of such a nature, he would not have made this attack without giving notice to the Member for Youghal, in order that he might throw back into the foul den the calumny.—(Loud cries of " Order," and great cheering—the cries of " Order" from the Opposition were so loud that Mr. O'Connell was compelled to sit down.) The SPEAKER—I am sure that the Hon. and Learned Member will moderate the expression he has used. Mr. O'CONNELL—Sir, I was carried away by my feel ings, but of course lat once submit to the Chair. But I might have been excused—l spoke of the petitioners. I said that I cast back to their den—( Loud cries of Ob, and tremendous heering.) I was understood otherwise it seems —( Cries of oh, oh, and still louder cheering, in the midst of which some Member near Mr. O'Connell --we believe it was Mr. H. Grattan—cried out, " The Orangemen.") Are there no Orangemen there?—(Pointing. towards the Opposition. Loud cheers.) I admit that I have been carried away ; but I do not think that in appealing on his behalf to the House, for whom alone I appeal, that any man would con demn me of any great error in being a little more violent than I should be on any other subject.—( Cheers.) But I will go on. It i 3 on behalf of the Member for Youghall thus assailed, that I appeal. In the first place, was it not perfectly well known that I addressed the electors of Carlow on behalf of Raphael and Vigors? Was it not perfectly well known to the peti tioners when they choose to have on the Committee John O'Connell—did they not know with the fullest knowledge that I was a strong partizan of Vigors and Raphael?—(Loud cheers.) Had they not a perfect knowledge of this and yet they leave John O'Connell on the Committee ? Oh 1 they understand Committees. They bad a perfect knowledge that they were secure of their Committee.—( Tremendous cheering.) I appeal to any Member of that Committee to get up and say whether John O'Connell did not, upon that Committee, as conscientiously and fairly exercise his duty as any other Member ?—( Hear, hear, hear.) Why do I say this ? Because the Chairman of the Committee had borne testimony to the conduct of Mr. John O'Connell, and recommended it as worthy of imitation; and what, after all, is the charge against him ? Why this—that he was the messenger of his father ?—( Cries of " Hear.) But I know the object and motive of these proceedings. It afforded a fruitful theme for your Tory newspapers; for am I not the stock in trade of nine-tenths of you ?—( Cheers and laughter.) But lam consoled for all these attacks by my consciousness of my son's integrity, and I bless my God that a mother never had a more dutiful or respectful child than he who is the subject of your accusation.— ( Laughter and cheers.) Yes, you endeavoured to plant a dagger in my heart—you endeavoured to stake the reputation of my child ; but your attacks will recoil upon yourselves, and the character of my son will come pure and unsullied - through the_ordeal.--( Loud cheers.) _ Colonel BRUEN thought it unnecessary to give the Hon. and Learned MeMber referred to in the petition any other notice, except the notification he had given of his intention to present that petition. With . respect to his charge against him of having depopulated villages, he could only say that it was just as true as the generality of his accusations.—(Loud cheers from the Tory Benches.) With respect to his character as a landlord, he was happy to say he was not ashamed to compare it with that of the Honourable and Learned Member for Dublin, or with any other landlord in that House.—( Hear.) If the freeholders had bten permitted to exercise their franchise in conformity with their own wishes, a large majority of the country would have borne testimony to the estimation in which that character was held, and many of the freeholders who voted for them did so at the risk of their lives.—( Hear. ) The gentlemen of England were totally ignorant of the cir cumstances connected with it. Mr. J. O'CONNELL was totally unable to speak at pre sent upon one matter, as he was unable to command him self in alluding to the Hon. Member who had spoken last but one.—( Hear.) There were private relations between that Hon. Member and himself, to which he should not refer, but he would address himself at once to the matter in debate. He felt that the present attack had been made upon him for the purpose of injuring that Hon. and Learned Member, but he (Mr..J. 0 1 C. ) courted inquiry also, and was most anxious for it.—( Loud cheers.) The Hon. Member who had spoken last had defied matters to be proved against him; but let an inquiry take place into the conduct of both parties, and let the public judge between them.-.--(Cheers.) He would not intrude further upon the House, as he did not know what otbor infernal machine might be in store for him, but he shoUld be ready to answer either there or—( i A pause). H e shee ja b e ready to answer anything that mig t be brought against him. —(Cheering.) Mr. HARDY had also a petition to present from Bath, signed by the inhabitants, who wore friends to purity of clic tion, and the enemies of corruption.—( Laughter.) He shOuld rather not read the petition himself, but leave it with the Clerk to do so. With respect to the charge of big not having presented the petition to the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin, he would only say, that on the very day the petition had been de livered to him he had seen rt printed copy dent from Bath in the hands of a friend of the Hon. and Learned Member, and he considered that that rendered his presenting a copy totally un necessary.—(Hear, hear.) If he had been guilty of any want of courtesy, he could assure the Hon. and Learned Member that he was sorry for it, but he did not intend that such should be the case. He thought it least of all necessary to present a copy to the son of the Hon. and Learned Member. He ( Mr. Hardy) attached no blame whatever to that Hon. Member. He (Mr. Hardy) wag a father himself. —( Oh, oh i and Cheers from the Opposition sic;:. ) He did not look on the conduct of that young G ent i ma, : to be otherwise than under the influence of his father.--(Cheerb, whenShame a a g Ifin obedience to aannydtheinrgieswroofn‘g‘Member had done to the directions of his father, he (Mr. Hardy) could impute no blam e t o him. He should, therefore, content himself with presenting the petition: It should be read by the Clerk of the Table, and the I` * I3R(.7ARY 12, 1834 . right receive it as they thought proper-4 Chee . rs opposition.) All he would ask of the House was, or not it was a fit subject for enquiry ? 'OLIN la! f,'; Z 1 1,1,14 requested the Hon. Member to L prayer. of the pe , ANDY Said that the Prayer of the petition 11 0_ itAeit tit flpfMti ould be fully and fairly carried in t o Tremendous ULC belie ,. ied the petition 'm the Committee of tic supporter Min; Member , . Th9_,pkition Itirther prayed that enquiry shottld ho into loaf f.',-A&;. , ;ir - o+6 At tl>e election for Carlow— unpublished letters should 1;45 tO ,—and that such measures should be takeli .46 4 4 , 4v1el 'e in future of a proper Parliamentary election.___ , from Mr. O'Connell.) If he bad committed any of :he Hon. Member for Dublin, in not having given him his intention to present the petition, he was sorry for it ; was no man better able to grasp at the substance of rid defend himself from any charge brought against him. 1. Gentleman then brought up the petition, which was inhabitants •of Bath, complaining of the course at the late Carlow Election, and praying for inquiry. tetition having been read at length by the Clerk at tel GORE L ANGT ON addressed the llouse, but a tone of voice, that it was alnioSt Impossible . to ,c import of his observations. We understood Inir, :ess his regret that any portion of the inhabitants (—a city so respectable—could be so far deluded as to ailed upon to sign the petition.—(llear, hear.) He ,ever hesitate, from any difference in political senti present any petition to that House. ROEBUCK felt called upon to say something res pecting the petition, and first with regard to the asser tion made on the other side—that it emanated from his (Mr. Roebuck's) supporters. He repudiated such an assertion. It came from those who, under the guise of liberality, and assuming the name of a Liberal Association, had propagated the most deadly Tory principles, well know ing that if they adopted a name more suited to the object of their Association they would utterly fail of success. They were the same body who, well knowing him to be 100 miles distant, had endeavoured to do him a great injury, and they were those who had actually canvassed the Members of that House, on a matter purely private, under the name of a liberal Association, while every man in Bath well knew they were the most rabid Tories in the Kingdom.--( Cheers. ) They were the same persons who wrote to his Hon. Friend as had been stated by him, requesting his support ; but when he saw the name at the foot of the letter, lie thought it was a Tory one, though at the top it professed to come from a body of a different description.—( Hear, hear, hear.) But his Honourable Friend had not known the changes which had taken place in the political circles, and he seemed to be unaware of the fact, that those who professed Radicalism to-day, might be found at the next sitting on the Tory benches—(Cheers)—or that those who were Tories in one week might rapidly come over to the ministerial side of the House. This was the truth as regarded this petition. There was one name attached to the petition which, by the writing, he very much believed to be a forgery. He would ascertain whether it was or not by the next post—(hear, hear)—and he would pledge himself to state whether he was mistaken or not. But it do so happen that this very person, not three days ago, wrote a letter to him (Mr. R.), enclosing a scurrilous attack against himself—( Hear, hear, hear)—on the part of that Association, disclaiming it wholly, and using very strong terms against that Association.—(Loud cheers.) He felt therefore bound to say, that he believed that name to be a forgery ; and he knew that this petition emanated from the Tories of Bath.—( Loud cheers.) Mr. O'CONNELL rose. I have but one word to say in answer to the Member for Bradford. That Hon. Mem ber, by way of excuse for not letting me have a copy of this petition, seems to insinuate that he did it to spare my feelings.--( Hear, hear.) Well, now, this is the oddest way of sparing a man's feelings that I ever heard of.— (Loud cheers and laughter.) The Hon. Gentleman will not hurt me by showing me this petition in private, which at the moment he intended to show to the whole British Empire. This is the tenderness of the butcher to the calf ; he would not show him the knife for the world—(tremendous cheering and great laughter)—as if some exceedingly good-natured friend would not be sure to furnish me with a copy. The Hon. Gentleman may be a good-natured friend of this sort, but I can assure the House that I heard nothing of this petition from Bath, except that the Member for Ipswich showed me a letter which contained no particulars, and the only part of which that related to this petition was this sentence—" that he who had been always an enemy to corruption ought not to allow any man to put money into his own pocket by means of Parliamentary influence." Why, the only answer that any man could give to this would be in the net ative. But I ask the Hon. Member for Bradford what he means - to insinuate against the Member for Youghall, when he says that he acted under my directions ? (Tremen dous cheering from the Ministerial side.) This seems to have been said as an excuse for the conduct of that Gentleman. I want to know—and I hope the Member for Youghall will take my advice—which, as far as I can make it strong, I would do so, all his life, command has been unnecessary— I hope be will take my advice, and leave this matter entirely between the Member for Bradford and myself. There is no part of his conduct for which I conceive any apology necessary. I deny that there is any apology necessary for my son. He was bound to attend here. Everybody knew that he was my son. There must have been eleven persons more unfavour able than him to the petitioners, or they left him on to parade him.—( Hear and cheers.) In either case what was there in his conduct that requires an apology ? If no attack can be made upon him openly, let him not be covertly insinuated against. ( Cheers.) I can tell the Hon. Member for Bradford that the character of the Hon. Member for Toughal is stainless as the driven snow, and ever will re main so ; and when I tell him that, I defy him to attach any thing to that Hon. Member. I ask for a Committee, and let the charge be there stated—let there be no affectation of an apology for what requires none. Having made that inquiry, as I do not intend to speak again, I would suggest that both these petitions be printed, and placed in the hands of every Hon. Member.—(Hear.) This is a question of privilege.— ( Cheers.) lam not wanting to throw the inquiry back. I wish that it should be full, and that the absurd notion which every man must know to be false, may be done away, that one single farthing, or a thousandth part of a farthing, of that money remained in my hands—( Hear)—or that I had the slightest pecuniary interest in the transaction.—( Hear. ) Let there be a fair Committee.—( Loud cheers.) I have been battling against packed juries all my life, and I shall not now submit to anything but a fair and impartial tribunal. Let the Hon. Member then give notice of the day for taking the petitions into considefation—let myself and the Hon. Member for Youghal then be heard in our defence, for I shall give no answer to the charge at present.—( Cheers.) I throw myself on the good feeling of the House. But with respect to the Hon. Member for Youghal, all I want to know from the Honourable Member for Bradford is, what act of his life requires any apology ?---(Loud cheers.) If the Hon. Member will take that course let the Hon. Member for Youghall be heard, and if his conduct has been honourable let it he distinctly admitted by the House.—( Hear.) If that be so what I propose is that the petitions be printed, and the day after they are in the hands of Honourable Members, let the Honourable' Member for Bradford move for his Committee, and I shall support it. There is a Parliamen tary ground laid for this inquiry, and let me but he enabled to make whatever statement I think proper in reply, and I shall be able to satisfy the House of the falsity of this calumny, which, by the by, is not believed by many people in England.—( Hear, hear, hear.) I heard it from 600 men last night, with one simultaneous voice—they expressed their disbelief of the calumny. I am, Sir, a Radical Reformer. I avow it here, a thorough radical Reformer, and I defy any man to show a single act of my life inconsistent with the principles I have ever advocated, or one single act in violation of the principle of purity of election.— ( Hear, and cries of Oh from the Opposition.) Let those who have given twenty pounds a head for votes, accuse me of violating the purity of election. All I ask for is a fair trial — an open, honest, and impartial inquiry. I don't shrink from it.—( Hear, hear.) But here, in the face of this House I now demand it.—( Loud cheers.) It is stated that I attended the ballot when the Committee on the Carlow Election was struck ; but I was not in the House on that occa sion, and even if I was, on my name being called, I would answer " petition against.' —( Hear, hear.) Let Tuesday next be appointed for bringing forward the charge against me. Let the statement of the Hon. Member be heard, and let me be heard in my defence. I will then state my views as to how this inquiry ought to be conducted.—( Cries of " Hear, hear.") I will state my objections, if objections I have, to the course that may be pro posed, and if there should be found the slightest stain on my character, I am ready to submit to the consequences.— ( Loud cheers.) But, Sir, I feel that no imputations can be thrown on my character, and I shall stand unim peached both in point of fact and feeling.—( Loud cheers.) Mr. J. O'CONN EL L rose amid much cheering. He begged to be allowed to make his own defence, for he required no person to make any defence for him. He had sufficient sense to know what he was sent about, and when he was sent with the papers, he felt that he was dein. - that to which no blame attached. If there'was any blame, he claimed his full share of Cheers.) Mr. HARDY said that when he made the observations he had done upon the Honourable' Member who had just sat down, he trusted that they would he taken in the spirit in which they were made.—( Cries of " Oh, oh.") He stated that he saw nothing to blame in him ; because he might go to a party and receive the money, not being cognizable of the circumstance under which it was given. —( Cries of Oh.) With respect to the present proceedings, he trusted the House would allow him to state how it was that he happened to be in the situation he at present was.—( Hear, hear.) He was a Member of the Bribery and Intimidation Committee last Session, and having brought forward a Bill for prevention of bribery, and that Bill having gone through two Committees, containing a clause against bribery and corruption, and that clanse having been rejected in consequence of the letters he had seen between Mr. Raphael and Mr. O'Connell. he was anxious that that clause should be inserted.—( Hear, hear. ) When he took up the correspondence respecting the Carlow election, he did not draw the inference from it that the Honourable Member for Dublin had put any sum of money into his pocket.--(Loud cries of " Hear.") He did not impute this to him, although it had been imputed in the public prints, and also by the person the bargain was made with. But it is not necessary to constitute trafficing that a man should put . money into his pocket. If it appeared that in the transaction he secured to himself, the return 0 4 ' -tizan, whom he tied down by written statements. a Pa . • 'rAKER called the Hon. Member to order. The S t • , --t the petition do lie on the table. only question was via.. -4 case postpone any observa Mr. HARDY would in tee, . to show that he tiuns he had to make. He was only eu,v, The iy public etas influenced by no motive but the discharge of cc Ly. „ „ . - Col. P Ai;; .7oth'l9lal i neti. of the expressions applied by the Honourable Alcamo,' ant Path to the inhabitants of that town. They did not deser W so taunted. H' s wet $c say no more, but that he hoped t'..:l''`e Wvit l4 b"► a fair itivi fall iminiry, and if it was proved there was blame :tl'v where, let it rest upon his head who deserved it.--C(!theers.) Ile agreed with the Hon. Member for Bradford' . .that the Hon. Member for Dublin was responsible for the conduct of the lion. Member for Youghalh—(Oh, oh.) Mr. O'CONNELL denied that the conduct of the lion. Member for Youghall required any protection from him. It it'tpited no shield of his. uu !,enel PARRY had been misunderstood. He had meant to say that the :f , inottrable Member for Youghall's contact was to bc considered by !self,—( Hear, hear, and cheers.) The Gallant Member then bowed tn the lion. and Learned Member for Dublin, who rose and bowed prCoundly in return, which occasioned great laughter. Mr. WYNN suggested the adjourment of the. de ' bate until the petitions had been printed, and in the bands of Honourable Members. He thought that there should be as little delay as possible.—( Hear, hear, from Mr. O'Connell.) lle would fix Monday as the earliest day, unless that would be inconvenient to the lion. and Learned Member for Dublin. The SPEAKER then put the question that the petition be printed. Lord JOHN RUSSELL thought Tuesday would be the better day. Mr. HUME also recommended Tuesday. On a question of so much importance, the delay of four-and-twenty hours might not be disadvantageous. Sir GEORGE CLERK observed, that every one must be anxious that the subject should be taken into consideration on a s early a day as possible. Mr. O'CONNELL could not acquicse in treating the charge with the mock solemnity with which some Hon. Mem- hers scented to disposed to treat it. For himself, he had no hesitation in slcelaring that he thought ;di it ridiculous. Out of the Hence he had Lf , en assailed on the subject in the grossest spirit of partyi and charges of corruption had been advanced by men who had been all their lives themselves engaged in the phittiee of corruptiod. He wished Tuesday to be the day fixed for the farther proceetthn because two important ques tions, in the discussion of which he 7as desirous to take a part, stood for Monday. He mitred that he Cas disposed to treat this weighty and mighty matter (at it seemed to he considered by some lion. Members) with great nonchalance. r: cm what had fallen from the Hon. Member for Bradford, it seetrid that he was already acquitted of all pecuniary corruption in the transaction.—(Cheers, among others from Lord Stanley.) Ile had had abundant experience of the delicacy of the Noble Lord's political enmity. All he could say was, that he was perfectly ready to meet any charge which the Noble Lord might think proper to prefer against him ; he would not say to refute it : for refutation would be unnecessary, as no charge could be adduced having a particle of foundation. All he requested was, that, in •the old phrase, the House would suspend its judgment ; that it would hear the lion. Member for Bradford at any length, as well as all the accu sations which, in disparagement of him, the Noble Lord might be prepared to make against him, however untrue—( Order, order.) The SPEAKER said that the Hon. and Learned Gentle man must be aware that the expression he had used was unpar- liamentary. Mr. O'CONNELL answered that if it was unparlia mentary, he was ready to retract it. What he had risen for was to state the reasons which had induced him to wish that the further proceeding on the subject might be fixed on Tuesday. Lord STANLEY said that so far as he was concerned, he would never shrink from meeting any charge that might be brought forward against him, either by the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin or by-any other person. To him it was a matter of perfect indifference whether the consideration of the subject was fixed for Monday or Tuesday, or any other day. Whatever the Hon. and Learned Gentleman might be pleased to think of the delicacy of his political hostility, he trusted it would never lead him into any step discreditable to his own feelings as a gentleman and man of honour.—( Hear, hear, hear.) He considered the Hon. and Learned Gentleman's political character and position to be fraught with danger to the empire.—( Hear, hear.) Politically he had always been op posed to the Hon. and Learned Gentleman ; and it was a great gratification to him that during Earl Grey's Administration he had had the opportunity of essentially thwarting some of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman's political schemes : but poli tical could never lead him into personal enmity. He would never sit on such a committee as that which was about to be appointed, lest his political feeling might warp his judgment ; and if he were nominated to that committee he would beg leave to decline the appointment. He was bound, however, to say that the Honourable and Learned Gentleman was in error when, referring to what had fallen from the Hon. Member for Bradford, he seemed to suppose that if he were exempted from the charge of pecuniary corruption, he must, therefore, be exempted from the charge of personal corrup tion. That was an accusation which still hung over his head throughout the country : and it was an accusation which must be judged of by the House before the country. Whatever might be the application which the Hon. and Learned Gen tleman meant to make of the money which he had received was another question.: the distinct charge against him was that he had received money for the purpose of using his poli tical influence corruptly. Whether the object was personal advantage, or was confined to political corruption, the course which the Hon. and Learned Gentleman was charged with having adopted was equally discreditable to him, and was a course which it was incumbent on him to explain. He (Lord Stanley) had not intended to say a word that evening on the subject.--( Oh, oh.) Upon his word he had not. The Hos. and Learned Member for Dublin had, however, provoked him. He (Lord Stanley) denied that the cheer on which the Hon. and Learned Member had thought proper to animadvert was of the character which the Hon. and Learned Gentleman ascribed to it. He had pronounced no opinion. But this he would say, that the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin was not justified in imagining that an imputation on the cha racter of the House, or any of its Members, such as that which existed in the present case, could be successfully laughed away. Nothing could demand the serious considera tion of Parliament more imperatively than the means of doing away corruption, especially when it was found among those who had been foremost in its reprobation. He (Lord S.) hoped that on this subject he had misunderstood a Right Hon. Friend of his, who loudly cheered the assertion of the Right Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin, that this was a charge so utterly ridiculous that the House ought not to entertain it ; and - that, for that reason, it was a matter of per fect indifference what day was fixed for the further proceeding respecting it. He did not think that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman would find an agreement with him in his assign ment of the term " mock solemnity" to that proceeding, in a House which had instituted proceedings for corrupt practices against Liverpool, against Ipswich, against Yarmouth, nay, even against the alleged corruption at Chatham. But than those the case was of much graver importance. If a Member of that House should be found exercising his political influence to iracure the return for a county of a man of whom he had himself expressed the lowest and meanest opinion, of a man utterly unknown in the county, for which influence he was to receive the sum of 2,0001.—if there was any thing valuable in the reform which had taken place in this country, it was secur ing the purity of elections—and no proceeding which had that for its object ought to be treated with indifference or charac terised as " mock solemnity." He (Lord Stanley) cared not on what day the further proceeding took place. The lion. and Learned Gentleman said he preferred Tuesday : Tuesday let it be. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman had said that he considered it a fit case for reference to a Com mittee. That was all for which the Hon. Member for Brad ford moved. Yet the Hon. and Learned Gentleman was de sirous that an interval of three days should elapse before that proposition was disposed of. It was not for him (Lord Stanley) to say how those three days were to be employed.— ( Hear, hear, hear.) He could easily enter into the feelings which had been expressed by the Hon. Member for Bradford on this point. Undoubtedly, if sitting in that House, such a charge had been repeatedly made against him (Lord Stanley), a charge founded on documents, containing many facts, ad mitted on both sides to be so ; and if the issue to be tried was whether he had used political influence corruptly to pro cure the return of a Member to that House, twenty-fours of the Session should not have elapsed before he had moved far an investigation of the case. Reverting, however, to the delay required by the Hon. Member, he would merely observe that he never quarrelled with a proposition to take time in the conside ration of a grave and important subject. He did not, there fore, complain of the postponement; but, he repeated, if it had been his case, rather than a single hour should elapse be fore the investigation of the charge, ho would himself have de manded the immediate judgment of the House. Mr. O'CONNELL said that the Noble Lord had—[ Spoke, spoke II There was fairness ! The Noble Lord had mis stated what he had said. He had not said that the Hon. Mem ber acquitted him ; he had said that what fell from the Hon. Member for Bradford proved that the Hon. Gentleman ac quitted him of pecuniary corruption. The Noble Lord had also tovelndesL(orityotahr)a,edfa insteadl ro opportunityu legitimate whens e o t t h fil at he (lid not know why the appointment it e reasc auseoMondayorir that answeringwo fa that il r ca e t q u l‘,l ) i i r rre e t. required. Where ccina N c(l ti tnl m i ni e ni,e,n r al e ilse)s n %t ' It stated which de h f N: v :o v . a b e T s l had been urged against him, and of re p e lli ng i ns i nuat i ons as unfair as we re ever dictated by malevolence, and countenauced by not There w w t a h s at n saowp inions w t e h r e e f N o u o n b d l Noe d L i o n rd i ; r s e j s u p d c i e c c e l . l which par didparty When the Noble Lord talked of having thwarted him in his g e x r e e a r t t i e o r n s a d i v n Ind, an reeelsahh at c o o r u l a d o ny nl o y t h s e a h in ry country t n r yo under n d a er e s v u e c r h m ad sup posed unfavourable circumstances. As to the reputation of the Noble Lord himself in Ireland, he (Mr.' O'Connell) did not know exactly what it was—whether it was something in the Noble Lord's matter or in the Noble Lord's manner—whether he wanted that temper and impartiality which all statesmen ought to possess—whether Lord HOWICK spoke to order. He was sure the House would feel that it was not desirable that this discussion should go on. He was not, however, surprised that the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin should wish to proceed at pre sent, for he (Lord Howick) had heard, with the deepest pain lwl and regret, the the speech of his Noble Friend. Without fol example of his Noble Friend, without pronouncing any strong opi n i on either on one side of the question or on the other, he advocated the expediency of putting off the further discussion to another day. Leaving his mind in a free and unbiussed condition, he saw the impropriety of continuing this discussion ; and as the further proceeding seemed to be fi xe d for Tuesday, he hoped that, for the . present, the discussion might be allowed to drop. He was quite sure that his Noble Friend, with whose generous feelings he was so well ac quainted, must regret having been induced by the warmth of his feelings, and by the cheers which he had receivect, enter into any consideration of the subject. He (Lor i Ilowick) would not say a word on either side; but he trail that the House itould not at present listen to the Hen. an Learned for Dublin ; and do justice to all parties by post ponement. P.4lr, O'CONNELL said be was in the hands of the Houskei ti,;( .0)4, to persevere if the House thought lie nuPi t not to do so. Brit fig litsinvations ha;. l been thrown out agaills him, he thought licshad a tk!ii.t to repel them. Under the 8 P" pearance of fair play, the trairi rnalig.iAnt insinuations; ( Chair, chair 0-1-1 e did not wish to persevere if the ou ld si O H was not d.!sirous that he should do so.-- (Hear , hear .) Ther e was one sentence, however—(Chair, chair!)—He • w down. of ~ bo v h ilege e , S it P w E o A o i K d Ee conic observed th aoe a a t r a l y s this o r was oo a T q o u e e s s d t a i o y n . Hon. and Learned Gentleman would see the propriety of "j ab , either going fully into the details of the case at present, or tan.. from th altogether. Mr. CONN em ELL had no desire to proceed against the wish of the !louse. d bad Mr. fl [? ,ilk; thought his lion. and Learned rrie cation' been treated unfairii.- The Noble Lord had by imP l r ,est advanced what appeared to him (M r . H ume) to be the„feri d, unfair namely c,ll that hisarge conceivable o. a od against Lea r kl l e i d Friend i s io n . wished s te , d ar Learned the consideration of the question. The Noble Lo:d said uOO, not knowing the rules of the House, and not doing .hi A' re , and Learned Friend the Member for Dublin the justice t?,, a j collect what the Right lion. Member for Montgomery J.t said, The Right lion. Member for Montgomery said uirfr to-morrow would be too early to proceed with the WI: and suggested that the proper time would be Mond & lb (Ilear, hear.) All that could be alleged against his I , e and Learned Friend the Member for Dublin w as, that ad wished the subject to be brought forward on Tuesday ill Or d of Monday.—( Hear, hear.) But what did the Noble -1--4..fse (Stanley) say? " I know not what may be done in the e::,!.bie of three or four days."—(Great - cheering.) D id the Lord think that they were all so stupid on that (the Mill rial) side of the House, as not to understand his insinuatien rieg (Cheers.) He (Mr. Hume) had no hesitation ire decl3,oo what he thought the Noble Lord meant to insinuate. r od Noble Lord intended to imply, that the Hon. and I.ie,atber Member for Dublin asked for the postponement of the Orin? consideration of the subject until Tuesday, in order that • , ,C proper means might be used in the interval to prevent ju s t' being done.—(Cheers, and cries of " No, no.") No I p ot then did the Noble Lord mean by saying that he knots what might be done in three or four days?—(Cheers. ) ioo , 'he Noble Lord did not intend to make such an insin uat.,, l et h ; . ,- ct state it fairly to the House—(Hear, hear) — ot heril l; he (Mr. .. t ilume) would tell him that he had made a most Olio and unparliani."tarY Lord forgot,attack.—( Cheers.) Besides, the ? 1 ,;.'„,, Member for himself proposed Tucsday.-- - C orbra id r not choose to remember, that the , P l ' 4 ' ef fpt no.") He certainly had understood the Hon. Member 0 , Bradford to propose that day ; at all events, he sented to it as soon as it was' named by the Hon.._ l . , Learned Member for Dublin. Th.clrefore, in every r view, the Noble Lord appeared to be ;;.1 fau?t.—( Hear , Haiti ' ) a nti And he thought the House was not actjtig with IMpar ti towards his Hon. and Learned Friend, who? it listened t o o sinuations against him of so abominable a nat:ire, withou t be privilegelowing him the of reply.—(Hear, W he i h i c ial heard - the Noble Lore( Stanley) say, that durin g ; his ° t he career he had done every thing in his power to . t hwart 1 4 0 views of the Hon. and ;Learned Member for Dublin, b e ere° Hume) thanked God that the Noble Lord was no lo n g p ee office.—(Cheers.) Much had Ireland to rue the inblesed which the Noble Lord once exercised there.—( Hear, hi,ief Hundreds of families in Ireland had to bewail the los s of kl arising from the Noble Lord's infernal policy.—(Cheerirept ever any country was treated----( Cries of " Order" opt the Opposition benches.) He was not aware ;hat he we er ,) of order.--( Cries of '°m Question" from the sa.e qu al ' e cia He was speaking on the subject of the Noble Lord's s A P p e r ,, and in doing so, he conceived he was perfectly in er`7.0014 (Hear, hear.) In fact, it was scarcely possible that L'e t be more in order than he was at that moment, althougoy haps, the Hon. Gentlemen opposite might not be very ae,„, 7 o bis to hear what he had to say.—( Hear, hear.) The '' r bs Lord (Stanley) now admitted, for the first time that ev;001 had heard him, that he (Lord Stanley) was the indivie,l( who did every thing in bis power to ruin the influee il e oe the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin, by ine re t , t eni the grievances of Ireland.—(Great cheering and laugh that Some Honourable Gentlemen might flatter themscive: this was not the case ; but what had a Noble Lord ' I/ .01' ' other place said ?—that the Honourable and Learne d „or ber for Dublin had more power than any other 1 ;4/ dual in Ireland. Why ? What had given him that povi e i o bs (Cries of " Question.") He did not know why he icti s c hts subjected to such interruptions. He was speaking as 01°00 the point as the Noble Lord ( Stanley) opposite, whose W il d had been received with tumultuous shouts of applause it' those who were now seeking to put him (Mr. Hume) If assertions which he maintained to be false were cheery-0o might, perhaps, be some reason why those which were to be should not be listened to.—( Hear.) He pronounced it lo t unfair to prevent his Hon. and Learned Friend the gel, for Dublin from replying to the assertions and to the in s ° 0 0 tions which the Noble Lord had thrown out.—(Hear.) vice had stated why he had considered it to be unfair ; an d he fde itt sure the Noble Lord (Stanley) himself, if he for a 0 2 0 0 conaidered what he had said, would feel that he had h t .- for out insinuations against the Hon. and Learned M e h a d !: ) . C ; Dublin, were not justified by any thing whieD, A T tr ad curred in the course of the debate.—( He l"'" . .,ats' protested against the injustice which had been done t o o t Of his lion. and Learned Friend ; but it was not the first soy injustice his lion. and Learned Friend had borne—(n o t e out e, of to c th o e o m foo he ed would those nor would it be th e l as t. He would have to bear inalif a bu coma with increased power ae jot tien might plot or conspire ag him.—( Hear, he ar .) o e el Mr. SHEIL sa id t h a t it was r eally of little coes,„,e(l„visi whether the debate sh ou ld t a k e place on Monday or next ; the only e ff ect wou ld b e that the Noble of no es' Member for Lancashire would be under Ole necessity el rfeel' poning, for a few hours longer, that display of gcnereold ing—( Cheers)—for which his Noble Friend on the "ir'iair' Bench had given him so much credit, but of which he t he Shell) could not help observing, that the Noble Fri end Secretary at War (the Member for Lancashire) had,,,g„ - eW'j somewhat peculiar specimen. The Noble Lord the L a de o 0 of War had interposed and stopped the Hon. and `ccle,, c) " Member for Dublin, who was replying to an assault 1 11 ; v ia i his character, and insinuations worse than any direct t'es r ,, tion. The Honourable and Learned Member for Dab' e 'ae j i tainly was out of order in speaking twice, but h e was 'O%; involved, and the Secretary of War might, perhaps' 3 100/ have indulged him in a slight departure fro m the or e rod e rules of the House, in giving expression to those g en re feelings of which his friend s on th e T reasur y B e nch vti e ,VP much better competent to judge than those who' d it t.; merely from his conduct in the House, and who arriffe fo; somewhat different conclusion—could possibly de. o f Noble Lord the Member f o r Lancashire, had stated t : tb' was not for him to conjecture how the interval betwe e : o o; night and Tuesday was to be employed. Generous tion !--(Loud cheers.) How characteristic of the ins t- de magnanimity of the N o bl e L or d, w h o a d o pt e d this re ° d tit dealing with a political rival to whom he acknowlede u ' t tr t he bore no very ki n dly sen ti men t s . —(Ch eers .) Pnt' Noble Lord deserved not only credit for generous feelier-, for perfect frankness. He told the House, that he so fe r c oO: trusted his own biases and prejudices, that ho would nt ) i t sent to serve on th e C omm i ttee . B ut , if h e b e di s qusir - nt efft a judge, what weight ff ought to be attached to him as a - pre, and what impression ought his i m passioned advocacy t i Z;Of; duce on the House ? Why did he rise at all ? Could have waited for a more becoming opportunity, and le hurried to-night into a prematu re di sc l osure o f his woo f pi order to correct the Learned M em b er f or B ra df o rd, vi ii° l O J,; dared that he acquitted the Hon. M em b er f or Dahill: l 6l - 0" corrupt dealings ?—( Cries of " No, no.") He off_j would repeat, that the Hon. Member for Br a df o rd wi t era quitted the Hon. and Learned M em b er for Dublin of 04 '1, 11 rupt pecuniary dealing for his own personal advantage! was, on the part of the gentlemen to wham the Toriesioie likes to designate them by a title to which they have all paired and indisputable title) had committed this g reat prise, a most important admission, and the Noble - 1 - 1° ,„ 0 4 vainly endeavaurcd to do away with the effect of this Pw i ssr able acknowledgment on the part of the distinguished, bs`of° honest leader, to whom this effort to ruin the c haracte r ill political antagonist had been confided. On e w or d mots ° observation of the Noble Lord. He had said that tiO re yll i : his aM i e ) m ot b e e r r of to Lord Grey's the G H o o v o e . rn m m e e m nt he w r ho fo h r .paddobonrf fj o L io e toi had : and what was th e resu l t as i t had a ff ecte d and himself ? The consequences of his unfortunate Id, r a with respe c t t o I re l an d were k nown to a ll t h e wor ld to the Noble Lord himself, he (Mr. Shiel) would only 11 : 0 0" House look th ere Behold him sitting in direct and e s ` - t' , tious opposition to his o ld co lleagues, whom he still des'g l ( 3 o o as his Noble Friends.—( Loud cheers.) Let the House. oo ,/ tinned Mr. Sheil)—let the House behold that juxta pos e ( Vehement cheering.) Let the House look at the Nobl e s f r, let them contemplate, and let him ruminate on that je l roO e sition—a juxta position, honourable to the Right Hon. 13 10 1 ;1 the Member for Tamworth—( Hear, hear)—and to the Lord the Member for Lancashire—the great sustainer f i e - , Reform Bill, which annihilated the party on this (th e ngto' sition) side of the House,—l hope not entirely ignsw and suicidal.—( Long continued cheering.) i re The petitions were then ordered to be printed, 811 , motion for the appointment of a Select Committee ° subject was deferred until Tuesday next. st° ORANGE LODGES. t• Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that as he had dcferf e motions which stood for this evening, until to-morrow, ;O e j ow cipation of the business which had just been poste ell Oct cupying the greater part of the evening, he hoped th f n at e and Learned Member for Kilkenny (Mr. Finn) would Tie) it severe in the motion relative to Orange-lodges, of vl w had given notice for to-morrow. staP r Mr. FINN felt him se lf b oun d un d er a ll the eiret llll- to persist in his motion. Here the subject terminated. LAW AMENDMENTS. brie The ATTORNEY-GENERAL obtained leave t? 0 0 0 ; in the following- Bills to facilitate the enfranchle bell; of Copyholds -Bill to amend the Law relating to I- ,11° " 0 5 by Copy of C ourt R o ll—Bill f or a b o li s hi ng custo marf fe'r it of De scen t an d f or t h e commutat i on o f H er i ots— Bdi %fig 0 amendment of the Law of Escheat, and the Law rel°looo terms of years to which persons dying intestate and W oo er' kindred shall be entitled at -Law or in Equity—Bill fo r van' taming the Boundaries of Manors and Lands when site ' daries are confused or unknown. BRITISH FISHERIES. 'll l° Captain P.ECHELL moved for leave to bring in • ' C . , . it. ' ~:` .:*i - -._ f 4. ' ' ...e; ir ,.... - ',l ‘, . • ' • i • ' r . .• . • : 0. • , • ../ ;• ~. ~ . - I , . * ,_., 1 • , .... , , 4 lif . ... - • , .., , ... . , . . . . ..r . ~ II . i .- 37 ~,, . 41 ' ' Y t , , - - . , ARLIAME i , le .. .., understood.t ''t he di• order that' House mi ' ' It tf ' 1 ' " ...--. , , ~..wrimm, i ts i mil - sl. . s pert..t_ a . ... s i ti a i p ' p e r • u t h s e h n o d u c l .d d h t o ci ighkl;. . e House. from the 71./ ONS, Lr at five¢h St il l thi illAge4 Whether o the' ti QUO WtS .. ~,atiet tir ~ ' a yoithime4 Lor.d, Ji , t , redo ~ lEMB : . :w.y stibject that shill' )• . gnt l'orwar, mei the ne • i' •t to have been present's ;',.i . , j therbibi'e su '- . Me:. H./ . . ~ . ..: 411 . ;i v 4 • R.BthlX, . 441 1 - 1 . on. Member Wilelllo ii Woui not serve nit ~,, , Ir i lnell hint 1‘1 ,, ' I ,•• " t ' -• '' ~..:Ing notiCe of his intention to present his peti- effect.-_(' itih. l- - , ' e y day. camp free n 0 44 4 0 ..1 .1 4. 1-.. , ii 4 ribo i s N e f . l at fi,, . # N App:ol 4 4lect coat notninr , cou, oe ~,, ..,... . :foteritivardetilhici"r' ir s o t u a s t e ed vv tl o ia u t ld be b l a a r d h a: m bre w a i c t h ho o u f t p a r u ivil n eg ot e ic t e o i t i h m a t t itu th te e d OX b ..6t---4-iti, ' ~., ~ lee on o Lontirm and i rig' 1 that the St a a c li ng . ti , ers . :tever, even in the. midst of atinffier diseussion.—( Cheers.) (Cheers). .. was esssential that an Immediate remedy should be applied, productive 'ut when the House was In possession of the complaint, it (Cheers I 40 F( ' NISIII - -'. . . was then competent for them to deal with it as they fence to tl rittng '.; ,Orlttpai: i • thought proper--( Hear ) hear)--elther to decide upon it notice of I great ~i 4 ,4 1r; , a •-,...... iinmcdiately i or ad4ourn the consideration of it to some but there come '.., • ..o*. C: tlrr - future nionlcht, at, until they had heard the matter things, an :ion.. !."•::', :' - ..i• ,' -. , - i . t #l ~ 'of the coniplaint ) they could come to no conclusion ; The lion of ev. , and having hOitd it, they could either refer it to from the cd to , -. er a Corhodittee, or to a Select one. They could go on with it at pursued i of th ::• -,,,,,,.. ~ , ,44. ;Ace, or adjourn it t o ano th er d a y. It could not be questioned The pc :ould h', • - , . - • ''• , , py.- that any Me m b er h a d a r i g h t , no ma tt er w hat business was before the table, )e tk.si • •- - • - - , - ~ heir thu House, to bring at once under consideration a question af- Colone with a .1 t dew fecting the privileges of that !louse. in such ed, wou• ~- - ,':every Colonel BRUEN said he did not intend to trespass catch th e t a consi •7:h .:- -. These e t an y l engt h upon t h e attent i on o f the House while to exp re cats, a r want any presenting the petition with which he was entrusted. He of Bath- lc thougl "t ;re' c that some should merely read an abstract from it which he held in his hand: be preva he subjec •':.a,,, .- at something I t state d t h at f rom var i ous l etters an d s tatements which would ne he ineonvelc • e, which, he was had gone before the public, the petitioners had heard that a ment, to ber for Middlesex, nor the other certain agreement or treaty had been entered into between Mr. R cussion commenced ; but from what had fallen from his Hon. Friend yesterday, he supposed there was some complaint of the difficulty in obtaining Parlia mentary papers. He was a member of the Commit tee, and he could state that in the Report, all Bills and papers connected with the Session were exempted from the rule. The objection was to papers connected with past Sessions. There were constant applications to the Speaker, and he knew Hon. Members would be willing to purchase them, rather than trouble the Speaker frequently about such matters. There were then no less than two million two hundred thousand papers in their storehouses, which, he did not doubt, would be anxi ously bought by the public. It should be known that there were offices for the sale of these papers in London at the low rate of a halfpenny and a penny a sheet, which was the actual cost to the Government. Mr. Hansard had an office, Mr. Knight had another, and be understood a third was about to be opened within one minute's walk of that I House. If the resolution left any thing doubtful regarding papers of the present Session, he believed the Committee could be called together, and the doubt cleared up. And whenever public institutions, or those of a literary nature, re quired documents, he was sure there ought to be every facility afforded them in procuring them. . _ Sir ROBERT [NOUS read the resolution of the Com mittee on this subject. The SPEAKER said he felt himself awkwardly situated, and the question seemed to be whether in the matter he bad an option or not ; but as long as he could, consistently with his duty, do so, he would give every facility to Members in communicating with their constituents on the business of that House. He wished some settled rule were laid down for him on the subject. Mr. BERNAL thought it unnecessary to give notice of a motion on the subject, as the Committee were to meet to- morrow. Mr. FIUME said as soon as Mr. Speaker called the Com mittee together, the matter would be settled. SUMMARY CONVICTIONS. Captain BEECHER moved for a return of the number of persons committed to prison on summary convictions, by one or more Justices in England and \Vales, for the year ending Miphaelmas, 1835. Mr. ROEBUCK suggested that the offences for which they were committed should also be specified in the return moved for by the Hon. Member. Mr. WAKLEY thought it would be advisable also to pub lish the evidence on which they were convicted. Sir E. KNATCHBULL thought a summary would be suf ficient. AGRICULTURAL ASSOCIATION. Mr. BENNETT presented a petition from the Centfal Agricultural Association of England and Ireland. The As sociation had been established for the protection of agricul tural interests, and to represent their grievances to Parliament. That was the sole object of the society. They prayed for a full and fair investigation into the causes of the distress which affected the agriculturists, and he trusted the House would take the prayer of the petitioners into its consideration. MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS. Mr. BLACKBURNE gave notice that on Monday next he should move for the appointment of a Select Committee to inquire into the circumstances connected with the election of Councillors under the new Municipal Bill for the borough of Poole, as we understood the Hon. Member. MR. BUCKINGHAM'S CLAIMS. Mr. COLLIER presented two petitions from Devonport the subject of Dissenters grivances and Mr. Buckingham's claims. Mr. AG LIONB Y presented a petition from Cockermouth in favour of Mr. Buckingham's claims to compensation. THE - DISSENTERS. Dr. LUSHINGTON presented a petition from the depu ties of the several congregations of Protestant Dissenters re siding within twelve miles of London. The petition was worthy the attention of the House, not merely from the worth, intelligence, and respectability of the individuals who had signed it; but also because they represented the feelings and opinions of 500,000 individuals. They prayed for a removal of the grievances of which they had so many years complained. He agreed entirely in opinion with the petitioners, that the time had arrived when these grievances should be entirely re moved, and that it should be no longer endured that persons should suffer the slighest degree of disability froth their reli gious opinions. He entertained no doubt that the present Session would not be allowed to close without efforts being made by his Majesty's Government to introduce measures to carry into effect the wishes of that large and independent body. Mr. WILK S said the Hon. and Learned Member had naturally stated that the petition embodied the wishes of 200 congregations ; but the petition embraced a subject of com plaint, which now appeared for the first time, relative to the declaration required to be made under the new Municipal Bill. He had already referred to the declarations required under the Reform Bill, and in consequence of that declaration, a con siderable number of Dissenters had felt themselves bound to exclude themselves from the Council. He would riot at pre sent occupy the-attention of the House on this subject ; but unless the objections or the declarations were amended, he should feel it necessary to bring a specific motion before the House •on the subject. CARLOW ELECTION. Mr. HARDY, and several Members rose together—the latter gentlemen gave way, and the Hon. Member for Brad ford said he rose to ask leave to bring forward a case to the attention of th e H ouse, w hi c h i nvo l ve d , as i t a pp eare d t o him, points of the g rea t est i mportance—po i nts w hi c h, i n h is op inion, entitled it to the preference of the notices of motion before the House. He adopted the present course, because it involved an attack upon a Member of that House, accusing him of trafficking with seats in that House, and which if proved would certainly inv o l ve t h at H on. and Learne d M em b e r in considerable difficulty.—( Cheers.) All that he at present asked from the House was that he might have leave to bring it forward before any of the other subjects that stood for deliberation. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said he was only anxious upon the present occasion that the House should adopt that course which was most convenient, and in order to show the Hon. Gen tleman no other wish, he would tell him that it was his intention to postpone those motions of which he had given notice till to morrow. The Hon. Member would therefore understand that he had no wish whatever to stop him in bringing forward his motion; but, at the same time, he could not but express his opinion that the petition— Mr. HUME—There is no petition. Lord JOHN RUSSELL understood the Hon. Gentleman that there was a petition.--( Hear, from Mr. Hardy.) If the petition were presented, and he gave up his motions for the