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haa l ieett appointed a member, had been formed in .conse quence of a resolution pass 4 ut a former meeting. That resolution, which he should beg leave to read to them, was in the following terms : " That this Meeting, viewing with alarm the delays which baie taken, place in forwarding assistance to the Greek Patriots, ths;ut it necessary to appoint it committee to inquire into the causes which have led to suehdelays, and also to inquire as to the appli— cation of the last loan contracted for the 'service of the Greek Re- public;" Now, from the manner in which that resolution - was worded, it was evident that tin inquiry into the causes of the delayi which had taken plate in forwarding assistance to the Greek patriots, was the primary object for which the CoMmittee was appointed. When the committee first commenced its liroceedings, a feeling existed in the mind of every member that they were called upon to state with whom those delays rested. Some imputed the blame to Messrs. Ricardo some to Sir F. Burdett and Mr. Hob house, some to ifr. OalloWay, and others to the Greek Deputies. Now the object of the committee was to re port to which of those partieS the blame attached. A difference of opinion, as the gallant Chairman had inform ed. them, had sprung up - at an early period of their pro• ceedings as to the propriety of giving publicity to certain facts. Some members of it bad said that the present was not the time for Making them public.— He was of a different opinion, and understanditer the object for which the committee w as a pp ointed to have been such RH he had stated, he had preferred resigning his seat in it to lending himself to it report winch would not instruct the meeting, to that extent to winch it ought to go. In what respect publicity was likely to in jure thiS cause, be did not pretend to know. Every paper in the country hail long been speaking of the steam-boats T to be sent out against the arks, and of Lord Cochrane, who was to command them. Could any thing which might transpire in that room add to the . publicity which those facts bad alrcady acquired? Was it not as notorious as the Mt at noon-day, that the steam-boats were now in the river'? the thivernment had been inclined to interfere with them, it would have interfered before the present time and us it had not interfered, he did not expect' that any thing which might that day come from the committee, would induce it to interrupt their sailing. He repeated, that the object for which the committee had been ap pointed Was to. ascertain the causes of the delay; and though the committee had decided that they ought not to state,an opinion upon that point, he would give to the meeting . facts for them to form an opinion upon. If, in reading certain letters, blame should appear to attach to certain Individuate, he begged that it might not be consi dered not as his fault, but as theirs. dt gentlemen who passed tis patriots, and enjoyed the honours which belonged to cinch distinction, laid undertaken a tusk for which they were either unqualified or ill-disposed, it was they who ought to bear the blame, and not those who suffered by their want of talent or energy. The first letter which he should read to them, was written so far back as the 24th of May last, and was addreoed to Sir F. Burdett, Mr. j. C. flobhouse, and Mr. .Elliee, by the deputies Orlando and Luriettia, To SIR r.llinlrrT, BARI . , ILA. JOHN CAU HOISHOUSr, ESQ., M.P., AND NDWARn ELLWE, RsQ., May 24, 1826. Gentlemen,--The situation of Crewe demands that we should again .address you. The greatest . and moot dreaded misfortune that,coula happen to our country has befallen it. The brave gar rison of Migeolonglii, after 'holding out for more than four pars, after performing prodigies of valour, and *Willing the greatest hardships and privations, has been compelled, by famine, to aban don the town awl its inhabitants to the nonce anti vengeance of our sanguinary enemies ; whilst the iiiians Of providing that sue cow which wold have averted this heart-rending calamity have been totally neglected. Had the erratigentente we concluded with you in Auguat . lett hem curried into effect, we should not hove had to deplore this sad event. Within two months, or within two months and a half at the latest, (such is the language, of the agree ment), front the 17th of August, hag steam-boats were to have .. 1A... aiv o ..l of <Nniirmitt, . autniUunder of ihe Auxiliary Marine Vim* in the service of the Greek Government ; and to secure this important aid, we agreed to set apart no less a VIM than 1.50,000/. What has been since done? We gave instructions to Wears. Ricardo to ap propriate the stipulated amount in fultiltneot of that pert of the agreement. Nine numtles have since ellipazd ; not a single steam-boat has left this country, nor will one of them, unless some decisive step be immediately taken, be in a condition to put to sea, for many months to come. We therefore tall upon you, on behalf of our auffering countrymen, asl4 wv claim for them, anti f r ourselves, your serious and prompt attention to the subject. When we refer tti the agreement, and call back to our recollection all the eircuingtaneass which weeded and attended the formation of it, we 'cannot but feel the greatest aatonieliment, mingled with the deepest regret, at the result. We were watered by you, gentlemen, that, by entering into the arrangement, we should secure the independence of Cireeee. tt Within a few weeks," said Mr. Rhine, "Lord Onthratio will be at Constanti nople, nil will burn the Turkish vowels in that port. You will waut neither Napier .nor any, other Pelleral ; Cochrane Mow will mallet: at the 'same time for .your admiral and general. If you wish, he - can take 200 and 300 men with him, and hind them in Greece. Do not divide the sum with Napier, let the. whole of the 150,000/. be for the expedition of Lord CoChrane; he , will clear Greece of the Ttirks." "I will engage," replied Sir F. Burdett to Mr. Orlando, on his heaitating to appropriate so large a auto to this, one object,'" I will engage, ll Will give you my word Of honour, that this erraagement shall be faithfully milled into effect. Give yourself no further . concern about the id uiri your tanuitry will be saved." itaine, the talent, and the intrepidity of Lord Cochrane, net:eve - oily inspired us with the most usibmilided confidence in the *WWI , of hit operittlollB, end we could not for a 1111 , 111Plit hove believed, after the aesnretwee given to us, that the arrangement would not. have been promptly and faitlitidly welded, ao as to place the force provided for at his Lordships disposal within the tone limited. Imagine to yourselves, then, gentlemen, what must be our disappointment and mortification Whets, after the lapas of snmany months, we find that not even one vessel is yet in the least ready for sea. From the moment the arrangithent Was concluded, and we had given direetions' for the appropriation of the necessary funde, the a ff a i r was t a ken entirely out 1 - 4 . inn' bands, We were not con sulted or evert informed of the measures taken for fulfilling it. Instead of purchasing vessels according to the terms of the agree. merit, orders, as we afterwards learned, %vete given fur building them; and, strange to say, one engineer alone wag employed to prepare all the steam engines and machinery. In vain have.wit applied" and appealed to you on the subject. Our interference low been regarded as improper, or we have been referred to Messrs. Bi-, „„e,,,,whohave told us that the matter rested entirely with Mr. G a na;vay, the engineer, whilst the latter gentleman scarcely recog ;aim' n a i:+ interested partiea, and lets snore than once hesitated to sa tisfy our ingeiries. What, then, are we to do? Is time money that I," been appr ocriated to this elijort to be loot to our country? and ,s the ei`riifte we sunl i t to reader it, and have-purchased et so high it rate, to he withheld oe ildefinitely postponed.? Our co untrymen all aloud to to; fur the len-promised aid. 04 clot racter is compromised by the thltty, end your own cannot fait to be impugned, should the fapts colon Were the public. in the mean' tittle the interesav of Greene are titsgwted . ; and a whole nu- , u' OM' yok e of it s beam tion is on the po int of a g ain falliog mlti roes and relenthess opp ressor . Th ere he,,howayor?, yet time to prevent this dire catastrophe, and ere the lot vital Uwe he given, we cull nrin you to exert youreeivrs, n.n4 adopt owlacy Y steps, Will it be erudite d , that it was le te opeeaghleer7"` prey. tie ftgiuoi and mWepachinery for s i x vessels,. ta eo were to her . within got i t iety for sea two months tt . nila the cn gineex charged with this Service behalfan . ( if ,khoul t i „ .00 We have float , who is employed by, and has for a long time pest a son at Alexandria, in the pay of the Pitt ha of l-gtPt? ' all in oar power to obtain for G reece Lord Cochrane's enterpr i se the ould 1 and skill w w have again end again solicited your at t e ntion to delay ink ; n wt urged upon you the dreadf ul consequeneee 11 WI e of our coup mice owe we call upon you, as you reg ard the ems.. try, to bike the beat and most ellicient means Gtr in I g, succour of which she idands.in so go used- ll• Let taro holividuels, who are . thoroughly convergent with vefisels of tliStk description, he inatusliately, appointed to examine the severfil steam-vessels, and to stalk' Within what time they out begot ready and what 'TIMIS must be employed for the purpoite. Two Pi them, besides the Peoreverance, which is nrncre after having been ordered more then fifteen months ago by Mr. Ellice, and which w as to litwe bton readY, according to that gentlernan's agent:ma, last August), swirly ealnplOted, might, we Conceive, be ind4o.l within ten days, but not if only three or four men are to lie erte- PloYett [upon owl vessel, as wieuthe case last week. If they cast bi• wo 4*.Aity gonviettli, well ;.if mint, let them be abandoned and riiitilled their eneagenierilabis made to return the money they have received. Let what now re mains, and what can be so obtained, be employed in the purchase of other steam-vessels ready at once to put to sea. In conclusion, we beg to assure you, that we do nut mean to Call in queetion the intention with which you entered into this affair, or to reproach you in any manner; but we cannot do otherwise than express our deep regret that an undertaking, which was to have insured the freedom of (Ireece, should have taken such a turn that, Without energetic and early steps, it will, by depriving our country of assistance, be conducive to her full. We trust then, gentlemen, that you Will, by immediate efforts, prevent the possibility of still more afflicting events, and we have the honour to be, . . • kientlemen, your very obedient servants, (Signed) J. ORLANDO. ' - AND. LURIOTTIS. . Now that letter showed that the Greek Deputies were fully alive to ;the importance of the, steam-boats ; and it also showed that which was by no means immaterial, that Sir Francis Burdett, Mr. Hohhouse,Ellice, and Mr. were parties to the bargain made by Lord Cochrane with Mr. Galloway, and that they ought therefore to have demanded frpm him security that the vessels should be sent off by the time appointed. He had said that the letter just read proved that Sir F. Burdett, Mr. Hobliowie, and Mr. Ellice were parties to the transaction with Mr. Galloway. That there might be no dottht left upon that point, he would read to the meeting a letter from Mr. J. C. Hubhouse in reply to that of the deputies. It would prove first of all, that the letter of the deputies had been received by the parties to whom it was addressed ; and, secondly, that the committee appointed at their last meeting had already piodueed beneficial effects. It was dated on the 29th of May, three days after that written by the deputies. It was as follows : . ' May 29. Gentlemen,--I beg to inform you, that on Saturday last hir Ellice and myself had a meeting with Mr. Ricardo, at which meeting it was determined to apprise Lord Cochrane that neither time nor the funds in Mr. Ricurdo's hands would permit of the three smaller vessels being completed ; consequently, on the same evening, I wrote to Lord Cochrane to that effect. Yesterday (Sunday) I went to Deptford to inspect the steam boats myself, accompanied by two officers of the navy. The result of our inspection was, that, with proper attention to the work, the two larger steam-boats might bt, at sea in a month, but that it would be necessary to abandon all hopes for the present of working upon the three smaller vessels. Having formed this opinion, we shall proceed immediately to give the requisite orders. We shall desire Mr. Galloway to work only on one steam boat at, time. . . • We shall send an officer and an inspector of machinery to reside either at or near the dock-yard, and to report.to us daily the pro grow of the work. . We shall have great pleasure in communicating these reports to you, whenever you require to know , them. Very truly, yours. (Signed) J. C. 1-10BHOUSE. To the Greek Deputies, &c. Sack Ville-street. He trusted that the meeting would mark the repeated use of the word we. lie apprehended that the employment of the plural pronoun would prove to it that Sir Francis Btirdett, Mr. Hobliouse, and Mr. Ellice bad undertaken the fitting out of those steam-vessels, and not the depu ties, who had Made such strong remonstrances to them against the delay which had occurred. It had . been said that the :appointment of a committee could not by any possibility produce good. Now, he thought that this as sertion was disproved by the letter just read to them. It was there affirmed, on the ipso' dixit of Mr. Hobhouse, that the three smaller vessels could not be fitted out in the pre sent vear. Though this committee had not been ap pointed till the 4th of SepteMber, lie bad now the satis facition to inform them that thoSe three vessels would be sent out in oau month from the present time.—((.reat cheering.)---If so much could be done in the interval be tween the last and their present meeting, why, he would Wilt, could they not have been sent out in the interval which hail elapsed between the 26th of May and the 4th of ',SePtenther ? 7 -4 . 1.1e0i.)- 7 -Their gallant Chairman bad said smoothing to them about the impolicy of ~ending out a cavalry officer to America to superintend the building of twp frigates. Ile did not think that the impolicy was greater than intrusting the equipment of steam-boats to members of Parliament and to dealers on the Stock- EXchange, and if censure applied to the deputies for send ing out General Lallemand, it applied also to the indivi duals whom he had before mentioned, for undertaking that for which either they were not qualified, or not disposed to bestow requisite attention. Whether Sir V. Burdett Or Mr. Hohhouse were qualified for the task which they had voluuttirily undertaken, he would not pretend to decide; but that they were not inclined to execute it, was .evidentp from the fact that one had gorie_with his family to France, 0,01 that the other to partake in the festivities at Moscow. In the course of these proceedings great cen sure had been castxpon Mr. RicardO. He was happy to say that no censure could be fairly thrown upon him, ex cept that of having undertaken a matter of which he neW nothing. ji,e would now read to them another letter, It purported to be from the Messrs. Ricardo, and had ap peared in the Chronicle two days after the last meeting. In that letter were the following expressions : i , Whatever we pledged ourselves t 4 to our subscribers on the one head, and the representatives of the Greek Govern ment on the other, has been faithfully and honourably executed. We have retained the dividend, purchased and cancelled the old bonds, and invested the sum set apart for the sinking fund. We hap paid over to the Deputies, or appropriated by their order, the amount for which we stipulated, and it is now above six mouths since we re i t-4 ; 41ml them their account current." In that, letter, which Wgt of f:onsiderable length, and of which he should not read any nu.erc, ip Was distinctly stated that alp Messrs. Ricardo had paid the proPlltlii Of the loan away by or4ier of the deputies. Now such an assertion was a. clear proof tjmst the letter was not .written by Mr, Ricardo, us he must at that time have had on his desk the following letter from the Greek Poppies, written on the '2lst of August, jot . one fortnight before t....... TO MASSIts, 7, AND N. AWADDO. , . August gi, 1826 Gentlemen—We beg to rieknOWledge the rreeint of your letter of the 12th instant, inclosing an A ccount of ditlereot sums you have paid from April last to the present time. We have looked at the item* composing the account, and ar'e aatonisted to perceive that you lutve made payments to Mr. Galloway, iu 4,iltlitiou to what be had previously roeeived, to the amount f 7,4:00/. How thew or the other large payments you lOW, taken open yourselves to make can in any manner be justified, we luiniff PO- Wu cer tainly cannot sanction them, but, on the contrary, we feel it to be our duty to protest against the which you have applied the monies, which in the month of August last we requested you to net apart far the colophtion of the arrangetueot !mule with Lord Cochrane. You must bear in mind (what wd hove often pereon ally, complained of) that without our authority, and without any previous communication to us whatever, this arrangement war sud denly and entirely changed by your giving , orders for building five steam vessels, arid preparing the necessary machinery, iostead of purchasing vessels ready fur sea. jlad we been consulted oil so inatill 44 a departure from the origituai intention of all parties, we should have opposed it on the ground of the delay to which it might lead. go sot* as we were informed of the orders you hatl we did object to theos, ayul though you lied pail'",oo o /. "r 3,0001 .1-we expressed our anxiatts doire tlutt the orders should be ,reaci.uled. You moved us, however, that the whole of the flotilla should its completely ready within three nvoiths at fa t .-- ~111e4 Aiml , we, relyiog quo your ,assuratiee, and upon the re trePttilitY you had contraCted by gi,ving. the orders, did not for !wen the t" their toting carried, into exteution, What has „result Thee, your orders, not only renutin,inoNni oll.:_u_ei _ t o ,u,.. ;:e r i el n' l : 4 ;: tr t ti d n a cii y, lartt: to ak t y h e e t not dpi a even o e e n e i :l 4 th the 11 y r: 41 7as e l l* . 14 reAlt w y gra. n ‘ixvirig.ioAtruuhakitlLtuy:rt:ut doitveks line applied to those gentlemen th rough tiwy w , w iten , rnt with, Lord Cpbrane was effected, cooceiy. o:;,44loliceaxttlietalu'ltki e t l l ,,t te h h er . to infl o u w e ni nce or tp to h y o, °n ye , it cart jed into "'ea after week, during period of six 4i4 the reotstiv c ondtaithr and were as a fortnight, one mufti leritittml, that in the succeeding week or ost would. quickly 1,41,,,,`.44:0Uhl Nail for Greece, and eclat the fired that the wor k s 01014717 ha; takes. earnestly and repeatedly de alsd pineed iu hani-Js of %011ie l ' akeit f "W Calloway cotopekut • out titt. necessity of seiliog the tbre tini e '11 4 ,7, 1 a lt e , P g y ll eg others vvidi the proceeds; but the e n frii+strat u c ei We have ix,°f uo tarevaiatit'slutultliro'ittigi b u t u n r tt 4 0 . $ i li '.el we h b " a e d ri b: o juteriere ill the Affair / ittld the tiny wlti we Author ** d you to set apart for the accomplishment of this important object, you have disposed of, not merely without applying to us on the subject, but in opposition to our declared` sentiments. To you, therefore, gentlemen, the responsibility attaches, end by you it may must be borne. We will nut give our sanction to*ted monies you have so im providently, and, as we consideroeNtpropetly expended. You can not have believed—it is impossible for any one to believe—that the delay on the part of Mr. GalloWay has been unintentional. Whe ther it had its 'origin in his employment for our great enemy the Pacha of Egypt (an employment, by the bye, which was fully known when you gave him the order), or in any other cause, or whether any other parties have been desirous of delay we have nut the mans of deciding; but that the procrastination lucs been the result of design we cannot doubt. ' [The Hon. Gentleman here paused itk.the reading to,ob serve, that of this part Of the letter it was his pleasing duty to say, that it was the opinion of the committee, founded upon the inquiries which they had made, that there was , not the slightest shadow of proof for such an im putation on Mr. Gallowa)q With infinite surprise and regret we learn that, on the trial of the .Enterprise last Wednesday, the boiler burst, and that on try ing the Irresistible on Thursday the machinery wholly failed, and it is reported that it is totally uncertain when either of the vessels will be in a fit state to put to sea. We trust that these moat mor tifying circumstances may not have proceeded front the same de sign. We have also been informed that it was your express wish that the vessels should put to sea with their sails alone; but to this we can scarcely attach credit. • You express your surprise that we should require from you a particular account of each vessel, having, as you state, so re peatedly explained to us bow and by whom the arrangements were made relative to the building of the steam-boats. To whom are we to apply if nut to you? and how are we to obtain the accounts which it is our duty, as well as our wiab, to furnish to the Greek Government? We merely notice the last paragraph in your let ter, for the purpose of informing you; that we claim as a right, and not as an act of courtesy, a full explanation from you of all the monies alleged to have been paid out of the funds which were left in your hands by our authority. Whether we are any longer authorized to act as Deputies of - the 'Provivional Government of Greece or not, it will be necessasy for us to render an account of the proceed. of the loan we negotiated, and for this purpose we shall require to be furnished with every account respecting it. How much of the monies.you.have expended without our autho rity you will be entitled to consider as paid, on the account of our Government, or of ourselves, will be matter for future delibera tion and discussion. At present we must content ourselves with repeating our request for the separate and detailed accounts of rash vessel. We are, &c. AND. I.I.JIIIOTTIS. (Signed only by) He then proceeded to remark upon the observations made about the publicity given to every thing connected with these transac tions. It had been said in one of the prints, 'that Lord Cochrane bad taken pet because the steam-boats had not joined hint, and was coming home ; and in another, that he was going to take advantage of his own mismatikement, and to desert it. Now he . would ask, what right had LAI Cochrane to take the pet, when Mr. Galloway had been the engineer. of his own selection ? He would say most distinctly, that Lord Cochrane could not, nay; (turd not, do any such. thing..-:-(Hear, Lordship had received the money of the Greeks, and if he had been prevented from entering into active warfare on their behalf, by the want of skill and energy on the part of his own engineer, Mr. Galloway, be was not entitled to set up his own fault as a justification for withdrawing from their service. He (Mr. Robinson) would not say that Lord Cochrane entertained any such intention, but time would soon determine - the point, and be hoped that its determina tion would be to the advautage of the Greeks. The meeting had heard from their gallant Chairman, that the committee had met in the course of their inquiry with all kinds of impediments to prevent them from coming to the truth. In that observation he fully agreed, and he must say, that one instance 'of obstinacy had come from a quarter where it was most of all incumbent that it should not be exhibited. He was now; alluding to , the• Greek deputy Spani olachi, and he did.. so with the .less reluctance, because he now Raw that individual present. It was only fair to expect that he who had been sent to supersede the late deputies Orlando and Luriottis, should be anxious to lend his services to the bondhold ers in eliciting the troth—it was only fair to expect that he should be anxious to uphold his own credit and that of his Government. They would, perhaps, ask what had been the conduct of ?elr Spaniolachi ? liie bad lent himself most zealously to the investi gation of his preilocessor!s accounts; but as ,wen► as his own ac counts and those or his friends were brought hi question, he closvd the door to all investigation.. No refused to recognize the com mittee ; and in refusing to recognize the committee, he refused to recognize the bondholders who had appointed it, and who had lent two millions to his countrymen. ' This was a painful truth, but he dtemed it right that the .bondholders and the Greek Govern- meat should be made acquainted with it. They might not, per haps, be aware, that the authorities in Greece were quite igno-' rant of every thing that related to these steam-boats. The proof wan to be found iu the fact, that a commission was coming from Greece, authorizing Sir Francis Burdett, Mr. Spaniolachi, and Mr. Ricardo, to investigate all the transactions eonnected with these loans. Messrs. Ricardit, Spaniolachi, and Sir F. Burdett, audit their own accounts !—.-(Load eheeri.)---In the whole his tory of mercantile transactions, never was any thing so absurd thought or dreamt of. Such a proceeding proved as clearly as the closest mathematical demonstration 'could do, that what was passing in England was not known in' Greece and evinced the necessity of another deputation being sent from that country to this island, to inquire into the negociations of those which had preceded it. That Greece might owe much to the exertions of Sir F. Burdett, Mr. Ifobhouse, 'and Mr. Ricardo, he was not prepared.to deny, though what bad occasioned its debt of grati tude he must own his inability to discover. It appeared to him, that if Greece had any set of minim more formidable than another, it consisted of those professitig friends who under. took to fit out urrnainents for ith defence, and then wantonly neglected the duty which they bad thoughtlessly undertaken. Having said thus much about the manifest absurdities which had been comm►tted hi preparing tlw steam-boats, he would now only remark, that no absurdity could be greater than that of sending a cavalry, officer to superintend the building of frigates, except it were that of sending out a sailor to mount and equip ►t regiment of dragouns.—(A laugh.)—lt appeared as if there were a great predilection for cavalry officers in some quarter connected with the management of these loans.— ,Gsueral Lallernand was not the only cavalry officer tai whom-they had given employment, There was the brother of the noble of', fiver to whom the command of the naval armament had been en•. trusted, and he would only wish that the gallant Major to whom he alluded might have the saute devotedness to Greece which believed Was felt by his noble brother.;---(Cheers.)—Without sistance to Orem, it was quite clear that Greece, as at present censittined, could not defend itself. In conclusion, he said that be could only regret that On tntieting NA- not sufficient infornm. Lion before it to warrant it in Pinning to some definite resolution; fhr such a resolution, .if favourable to the Greek GoyernmePt, would he of the ntinoet utility, since nothing tended more td the security of the lender than tt wrivietion of t h° me " speetability of the borrower, "Ur. 41;4 1, 7 after eulogizing the conduct of the Greek Com• mime, proceeded to ask, whether e - quantity of European muskets had trot been Aired fin the service of the Greeks, and rejected by the Deputies on account of the prejudices which prevailed in teen in t i l n ie fa Z:r u t t na 6 n f itiabturelanin,Ctha4tll;a:ritii7e iib tpt io n? tvp 'fl o i r ey ti l lr it . p re e c u e ri n d t o ly r had kept in check fur a long tim e it large body of 'furls who were ready to attack a Greek detachment much inferior in titriu.. berg. If that statcanent were corivet, what con"9""`"' might they not,y4p#ct-frorn Rodin hi Gr e ece a train of larger a r trium When theiie questions were answered, lie would -next ask how the Grgek GOintfottient wee at present constituted ? Was the Govern me*t.,representative ? If so, how was it represented? , How were th‘irepresentatives chosen? And what security was there that the capital of the butullialers would he repaid serrations; and first; with reg a rd to the 80tetPen$ that the corn.. . pi n c)il i ul . t i ily ie l i ti% r e ri.v . l4lt ' ierl ool : oB4l 4 y ; g e tiwpri i :::' 4et r a ti a c a ; t i f inro P i r44 :v ui l i e l e ; ni P P et i t h r ei P ii i " ci l:t E hfl ; fl ittfri:airrEauplth w ' i r g ra ii,:e fa: i(i nic.petsi.bes,:t.vv44l:7oll::.itib°ol l ,: : ui i : ts to bit, mind, that to oLtaht the Illearitl, they were sacrificing the sails, In would out hesit a t e t o mo dify his general principle. A question had been iwk4l, 'affecting the conduct of Mr. Hume, and ; ae it had he'll "oar he \mod t a ke the opportunity , of tteciarj ug. Matt the Greek coin / Mit e , were coomete d with the that Greek. They had no coritroul over that loan after it was con- a tr od e . t t eo4—thetlt'rerYtire y tlfl :i i •a n t a i: l‘ : l rre th d r' t e hei i r l a i n Y t il l i ni n t a i l t;* °l ' t l i h et t r 470e'llk body ; i nittee hail no knowledge malt narl The s ame gent l em an was. tight in supporiing of the fact to which the Hon. Gentle. t h a t tbe Greek committee l ie d an t to 0 1 ' 4 ' 44 tianfinn and unts ketty, and every thing chiefsthe military committee thought most negealiall to its defence,- and be behaved that that ex. pedition was w.ll adapted to the purpose for which it was de. pioerl, it bad landed in (treee,6,-11 dotio ,sorire service-- indeed he had receiyed a letter from Colonel 'Fativier, stating that it hilthe late attack on Negropont ; but though sucli tie wta Leon of use in lie could n u t conceal from the :meeting that it had not been well received by the Oreeks. The arsenal had in eo pequegge been brukeu ugr t the VtatiC4 414 1 4 discoed it puttiviu6 letoolves to be exposed to great danger. A question bad been put to him as to the manner in which the Greek . Government was constituted; and here he must observe that it had never yet been in a situation to give adequate security to the public. Its powers lad vibrated from one faction to another, and 1;o effectual dovern- meat had yet existed._ The present administration was made up of a greater variety . of parties than any of its predecessors. Many of them were capitani or military leaders, many of them primates or hereditary aristocrats, and many of them islanders who formed a third class distinct front both. Now if he were asked whether be would trust that Government with money, free from control, he would say most assuredly not in the interest of England. With *spiel to the security that might be afforded by Grecian landed .property, he was aware that purchasers could be foundilor those lands, and that the money might be applied for the payment of bondholders. Mr. Curcuesree said, that it was a matter to be regretted, that in this metropolis, of whose boasted liberality they had heard so much, a commercial house should be found not ashamed to take, in the way of commission, a sum of 64,0001. from a com paratively small loan raised for a state, endeavouring by the most heroic efforts to break the fetters imposed on them by the most appalling despotism. Colonel Joss bad not the,pleasure of knowing the gentleman who bad just addressed the meeting, but he must take him to be a man of great inexperience to make such a charge on the Greek, Committee as that which the meeting had just heard. The Com- . mittee had to struggle with many difficulties and unforeseen events, such as the death of Byron, and other circumstances. With these disadvantages they had sent out of the original loan, in rm.' ney, stores, artillery, and a laboratory (for they had persons of different tastes and opinions to consult), the sum of 817,6061. lbs. 9d. That this had not the intended effect, he would admit, and indeed it could not be expected that the same good use could have been made of them as if they had been sent to a regular Government. The Greeks were not accustomed to that orderly mode of proceeding with which we are acquainted. With regard to the second loan, it was taken up by stock-brokers, for people at the time, as if they did not know what to do with their money, rushed forward to embark it in some public specu lation. Mr. Ricardo was aware of. this, and he thought he had as good a right to make money as another. He did not blame him for this. He dared to say he was a 'very good man, and an excellent stock-broker." He had no objection to him on this ground, and would be disposed to employ him in his way as a broker, but he was a man'of 'no Mind, or with any one•quality which could enable him to act as it statesman or a politician. lie had no objection to stock-brekers, but when they expected to see stock-brokers acting in the way of their, business from patriotism or public spirit, by G.. . .d they might as . well pursue a phantom. (Hear, and laughter.) He had before said, that Sir F. 'Burdett and Messrs. nobhouse and Ellice were unfit for the duty imposed on them of managing the Greek affairs here. He was intimately acquainted ' with Sir F. Brirdett ; he had fought by his aide 'filmy a time at elections, and he hoped be should do so a g aiu. Mr. Hubbouse he had known from'a boy at school, and he was in the constant habit of moving in the same circle with Mr. Ellice. With all of them he was in terms of friendship, but with the best feeling he must say that they were the most until men in the world knew that he had kept important letters in his p ocket for seven off f r the e m m e n s , k w w aa h which t h a a d m b a ee n n o f imposedn business ; i theist. kn w S ihr wellß u d a e l t l t, d mouths • unope ned . He would admit tha t on g reat p ublic discus sions 'Air F. Burdett was a very able and useful man, and so were the other gentlemen he had named ; but on that to which he had alluded, they Were not the proper men to be chosen ; and be' was sorry to find Sir Francis Burdett in the new Greek com mission. Indeed, this unfitness for application to business of accounts was the fault of the system of education adopted in our public schools—a system which, he was glad to find, would be likely to find a remedy in the establishment. of the new univer sity that had lately been so zealously taken up by the public. As to giving publicity to all the proceedings of the committee, - he was as friendly to it as any man could be. Colonel L. STANNOPY differed from Mr. Robinson ai to the nature of the objects for which the committee was appointed. He contended that its first object was to promote the interests of .Greece, then those of the bondholders ; and, last of all, to attach blame to those whom they might think deserved it. With regard to the controul which wax to be exercised by Sir F. Burdett, Mr: Hobbouse, and Mr. Ellice, ho wished it to be understood, that the only confront which they had undertaken. over the 160,00014 which had been set aside for the naval armament, was, that it should be employed in fitting it out. The blame which he con ceived attacheet to those gentlemen was this—that they had patron ised eertain new experiments in the formation of steam-boats. Thu gallant Officer then proceeded to show that the Greek depu ties had had nothing to do with the equipment of the steanz-vee sels, and to contend that all the measures which Messrs. Orlando and Luriottis had taken respecting them ' were much to their credit, and to the interest of the Government of WhiCh they were the agents. The blame, however, of the non-equipment of the frigates rested with the deputies, and with them alone. In allu sion to the observations which Mr. Robinson had triode about Mr. Spaniolachi's refusal to recognize the committee, he remarked that it was true that Mr. Spaniolachi had, in a moment of irritation, been guilty of such a refusal ; but then Mr. Robinson, if he had mat with the committee till it had closed its in quiries, would have found that Mr. Spaniolaelii had afterwards repented, and had furnished every 'information in his poWer. As to the questions which had been put to him (Colonel Stan hope) with regard to the guns sent out to. Greece, he, would reply that some of them bad been found useful at Militiolonibi, and that others of them had been sent to the different Capitani. however, was not so essential to the undisciplined force; of the Greeks in the field as it was to them in the fortress. Indeed, it was often a positive injury to them, as it led them to rest every thing on the fate of a pitched battle, for which they were not so well'qualified as for irregular warfare. Liz entered into a defence of the conduct of M. Luriottis, on whom be thought many severe reflections haft been cut very uudeseryedly. In conclusion he informed the meeting that at .a proper season 111. Luriottis would lay before the public every dn. (=ant connected with his case. Colonel STANHOPF. WM then proceeding to put his resolutions, when . . . .. ~ A Shareholder, said, that it appeared to him, that the meet ing was losing sight of the proper objects to which it ought to attend. The lulu question on which he thought the Meeting 'ought to express an opinion was this ::--la the report satisfactory ? —lle thought that it was not. He did not come forward to cri minate any person, or to enter into any inquiry as to the naval armatneut. With such points he had nothing to do , —he only wanted to know how the accounts really stood between the bond holders and the Greek. Government. The question on' the suggestion of the last speaker, was then put, as to whether the report should be received or not. Some doubt arising as to whether the reception of the report would amount to an approval of it on the part of the fleeting. Mr. W. Cr.sue had no objection to receive the report, if. by so doing he was not pledged to sanction it. He thought that it would be better to adjourn the meeting to another d a y, i n order to t give the bondhOldera time to consider and examine into its state merits. It appeared to him there were two parties in this business I —Ole original committee, of whom some had withdrawn, as was tumidly the case when the project assumed a losing appearance, and the subsequent committee-formed tá investigate its proceedings, which contained several members, who were not themselves deemed ' altogether free from Marne. There was ono observation made by Mr. llowring, to which he could not refrain from calling the at tention of the meeting. Ile had stated thatench was the instability , of the Greek Government, so o ft en h a d th e hands in whichit was in- vested been changed, that the re wa s n o s ecurity for any contract that 1 might be made with' it. Now he wished to ask Mr. Bow ring and the Greek ComMittee, quainted with that fact? If they had long been acquainted with it, then the . tirade, which they bad directed against bond-holders i r ha i v ,i e d,ti i ey were now placed. the' contractors 11 the had kept till that for it they did let out the secret, wl O - Y _ being. ought rather to b i t : ew d i . r . e l e o tc g l against they saved 'ti le o ; o lio n i_itnu_ga r tinw t n :l o t : l iil i s on as to whether Mr. Itieardo's day, they would have prevented the money from raises I l l r t ol'u li' th a e nd de b sp y er s6 ate ; : e l i i'l i ng was usual or not. He wished, He did not mean _tu d. ll l 2 c a ge n o y t tI I ' ) r e r l s " a nns, and dd of rlo It- per pa r t cent.i e iu e t o e i n i w l ould be' found . to ' he t c l h in g ti e m o r f iri 6 ss 4 lo io n 9 , however} to Inoiv . per cent. commis participated in /lion. He had beelur t, _upon than the Stock gallantl might with it, end M h r. e Ricardo 4 4 eyed : i n . i : a. tilflioeniert,:u.'6l:ll)oee4rinisa°tih;d:agitiu• some hrayialn:tdesalilic.uirstiesluo . the ease. I haNtle found sonic i 600 ' sw ag tae I, members of that corporation there theme is' dee.laim' liftmen , men of capital, wealtl , power in were ulem be ". te end ability. Ay, of as much ability '. ' as was to &lett" , , in , hl L/ ii i refession. Yes ' that , even to profession of he Put" ' ll -' ' diati ' hod t p e nt Colonel was so ngule an ornament. the ; g l conversation here ensued, whether the report should he A abort t , . i or whether the murmur's reeolutions should have preee printo I denre. At - length E i;0 , a vg,o . nAeivo,:rbeci.:catrei.ro. t Ai r , Mauve suggested, that as t h e report wou ld ootain great publicity through the daily pape rs , i t w ou ld b e better to wait fur a short time to ascertain he effect, arel meet in about a fortnight lienlm to consider what further steps should be adapted.: This suggestion was approved, and the meeting broke up, but without Laming auk' day fur again aaitendAiug, PRICES OF STOCKS THI Bank Stock 202 3 3 per Cent. Red 80,1 3 per Cent. Cons .BIA SI6 per Cent. Ditto Red. 87 3( per Cent. New Ditto, 1828 `Bank Long Ann 19 U" India Stock 9 4514 6 Ditto Bonds . 938 40 put PRICES OF FOREIGN F Austrian Bonds, 5 per cent. — Brazilian Bonds — Buenos Ayres Bonds. Cbilien Bonds, 6 per ct. — Colombian Bonds 37% 'I Ditto, 1924 99 Danish, 3 per cent. — Greek Bonds — Ditto, 1925........ .......... 14% 143 Guatimala — Mexican Bonds — Do. 1885 ~.62 1% 11% l% /e% 24 DAY AT ONE O'CLOCK. South Sea Stock Old Annuities New Ditto Ex. IliUs. .£l,OOO Yd. Y 4 let; pm. Ditto 5OO ild. 24 si Ditto Small 2d. 25 28 pm. Ditto Commercial Bank fOr Opening India tbr Account Cons. for Account 513 % NDS AT ONE 0 CLOCK. Neapolitan, 1824 Peruvian Bonds Portuguese Bonds -- Prussian, 5 per cent. Ditto, New — Russian, New, 5 p. c. B4k Spanish, 1821 lO% 11% 1823 ,— French Rental, 5 p. c. —E ...c. --- Exchange —l.."c. —3 per cent. —t.—c. --Exchange --t..—c. PRICES OF SHARES At ONE 0 - CLOCK. Paid. Per MAO' Anglo Mexican Mining Company £7o V Bolanos Mining Company 175 ilils Brazilian Mining Company 2O 93 3 1 ) Pasco Peruvian Mining Company l5 Real del Monte Mining Company 4OO Ditto New 250 Tlalpuxahua Mining Company l2O United Mexican Mining Company 25 --- :385 195 14 15 14 PRICE QF IRISH Bank Stock 247 Gov. Stock, SIX, per cent.... tlB %, Ditto, New 4 per Cent. Gm Deb. 33. i per cent Consols, 3 percent 79% Royal Canal Stock Grand Canal Stock City Deb. 4 per cent. Ballast Office Deb. 4 per cent. - ITOCKS, OCT. 21 . St. Patrick Hutu. (penthare)... Royal Irish Ditto .................. -- 9 National Ditto .............. Patriotic Ditto .................... 4 t. Hibernian Bank ................... Provincial Ditto ................... Royal Irish Mine .................. Imperial Mine ... . .................... I . N i iilimng Co. of ...... Commercial ............ -----.. MA Arrived. Due. O America 0 O Brazil O Buenos Ayres O Donaghadee 0 1 Dublin O Flanders O. 1 France 1 Gottemburgli 0 LS. Arrived. Due. O Guernsey & Jersey. • Hamintrgh ........... O Masud .......... 0 Jamaica ............... 0 O Leeward Wands 0 O Lisbon ................. O Malta 0 ...... .......... 1 Watertord ............ I HIGH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE TO-MORROW. Morning 23 minutes after 8. I Evening fis minutes after tl• Tax mt. LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, OCTOBER 24, 1920. The French Papers WSaturday and the E .An t ij o o il r e lowv o , l .9 tt S iilo u en nday reached us last night. They contau . i accounts from Constantinople dated the 29th ult., but no men iuslmtimadaetuinni,thaltsehoaugcchot,trnetsvorotsf the that t eptenee of con T fi h d e ent i l e y ian repe o a f te t t e l r i r n or th i e s F n r o e t nc i h et P a ap t Papers. The end. The event are . SULTAN has published a Proclamation against seditious conversation, which bears all the characteristics of Turkish absurdity. Executions of females have al ready taken place, for having excited troubles by their language, and all persons who venture to talk upon state affairs are to be seized and instantly inmisllod with death—the women by being thrown nit° the sea. Men so disguised as to be secure from discovery are to traverse all parts of the town, and women also `tireg i a i :io t a : l e : d h . . purpose of detecting those who dare to °Pen ' their o n c ts u . ni e In n t ous for the ladies of Constantinople to use their tongues The Moniteu, mentions, hwisheihrtallairttgiiw:li,eell : a e te An d ::: ialroaillits:cuuberini public c e u r es y i d :uses, public baths, &c., for Madrid on the 9th inst., that the King of Se.ALS " 5 r J fad E urn s ea T nr Y ki ' n, s two P it l ai l l y k s ri i en c g i dr a e l o i t , ,f t as hat ive t l i l le suffering under a fit of the out, and that his I\l4- slept but little, and who, in general, did not easily ° " Kt al s l o to sleep, has, for more than a mouth past, frequeodY without waking. It is added' that it is not WO what may be the cause of this chang e in his M t° constitution, and that _. Dr. CASTELLO is the.lllo,li the :11 , e yh l o toy h a a l d F a a r iv i a l) :: easy about it as he considers it as an obstacle to ti le entire recovery of the health of the SovEßztaN• Yfi- According to o ffi cial accounts received by the l io lethargy, and passed whole niglO's nisterofWar, the number of Portuguese tool" 11/1 1 , have come‘into Spain is nearly 5,000. . Th, Fren e - Funds had rather declined from the prices 'of Fria'P ....... :rho following are the only extracts wor th g iving ' • • (From the Moils of-Sunday.) haw-' boll CONSTANTINOPLR, SEPT. 29.—Four women e. fastened' in bags and thrown into the sea. Tw o w er t r,ri c k:A E le i lt s peAc e jtx tl id ai,is; o , :r el secret. contagioussee great tta t o. l t s i s i o i pl g en tiro ma skeedavyinseey t err o ayapsi aed direction en p rlz a ieooe r enw t ctsui 00;:nimott executions i h it i e ssot alesri informers re.kneoaTsx place, p r o h , asfe. $ e. ; : I;itshi. : li : c:i l a :i r . d it o: had used indiscreet words. The Government t us „ight• d ha a v r e td b seeenntretnolothvveclaraAntdlevtaiezlilemreAntelfi:du Aintv.;:baeoieett barracks of Eski Semi. More than 50 who leer s ' on dig. exiled to Danotica, is now in the capital. A ou"' hay for evri i p t i h in i e t decapitated at BOA Bazar, f ur having s poken ins bidi bidden manner. On his body was found en a n one dare d wting , w tit e the Mussulmans dared scarcely look at, LI h a d bee" , P „ .., 4 copy. .On the evening before, another Plan been ;l e to death - far the same cause. Two wom en have tied in bags, with their heads ant, through the m o ,l, he y quented parts, and afterwards thrown into the see. o de had spoken of ol public affairs. Their exe cution has an indescribable impression on the public. bat au Letters from the Admiralty, this day, announce, t 0 o g engagement has taken place off Mytilene, haw ° lo t Turkish and Greek fleets, in which the former hav • e i iery between fifteen and seventeen vessels, witliout C'l ht , to the' latter. It is'believed that the - costume of tbt " i,34 jas will'soon be changed. The use of the p ublic balks been forbidden to them. l o ot, the PARIS, SEPT. 21.--General Count GUille111" ober, French Ambassador, who arrived on thei 12th SePrl,lo,l.‘ in the roads of Tenedos, was daily expected at (di"' tinople. b Viscount It is said, that Mr. Canning bai not visited t ti de' Chateaubriand. (From the Journal des Debars.) b een current Pants, Our. 20.—Although a report has been.,, tins at Parib, for two daye past, that the Russian u!iiir ~,t , tae been accepted by the Porte, nothing cots; Vail,. known respecting it. There was no news from ( •,.,, 1 imot . tinople, at Vienna, so late ae the evening of the I D . ; lo g. No doubt, however, was entertained of the IMit,Oal l t i _ ua igi ing been accepted, at .Akermanii. A Ministerial riteJ "Ato, of this evening, who is quite in the confidence of trial polities; looks on the affa ir as terminated. 1 ... d ,, y , P e er of France, died tr P Count Boitsv d'Anglais , at two o'clock in the afternoon. ~ ~, 09f. Farscrt Faxne.—Panni, Oar. 91.---Fiee Per . ( -e n , 0 ,,I; Bank Aatione, 201 W. u 50. : ; Three per Cents. 613 f. SUe• i-_ L uau , „A Itentee de N kii '7sf se. • spii"." -b* t the 20th instant, were , rem Hamburg!' Papers 0 f the The report of the acceptance 0 caved last night. irt reached Berlin frQ Ullimation by Turkey, had