The Sun. — London, England, 1838-07-27 00:00:00

SECOND EDITION. SUN OFFICE, Seven o'clock. THE LONDON GAZETTE OF THIS EVENING. ST. JAMES'S-PM,ACE, JULY 18. The Queen was this day pleased to confer the honour of Knight hood upon Jeffery Prendergast, Esq., a Major-General in the Honourable East India Company's Service, and late 31ilitary Audi tor-General at Madras. ST. JAMES'S-PALACE, JULY 18. The Queen was this day pleased to confer the honour of Knight hood upon Alexander Munson, Esq., M.D., of Mid Lothian, N. 8., and Cavendish-square, in the county of Middlesex, late President of the Royal College of Physicians of Edinburgh. WAR OFFICE JeLv 27, 2d Regiment of Life Guards —Ensign Archibald William Viscount Prunilanrig, from the 92d Regiment of Foot, to be Cornet and Sub-Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Lindsay, who retires, July 27. 4th Regiment of Light Dragoons —A. B. Hole, Gent., to be Cornet, by purchase, vice Symonds, who retires. July 27. 6th Regiment of Dragoons--Staff-Assistant-Su'rgeon C. R. Boyes, M.D., to be Assistant-Surgeon, vice F. M'Crae, who re tires upon half-pay, July 27. 14th Regiment of Light Dragoons--Lieut. J. B. Culpeper to be Captain, by purchase, vice Leary, who rotires ; Cornet C. T. Griffis to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Culpeper ; H. R. Bou cherett, Gent., to be Cornet, by purchase, vice Griffis, July 27. Coldstr eam R eg i ment of Foot Guards---Lieutenant and Cap tain George Knox to be Captain and Lieutenant-Colonel, by purchase, vice Brevet Colonel Wedderburn, who retires; Ensign and Lieutenant the Hon. F. W. C. Villiers to be Lieute nant and Captain, by purchase, vice Knox ; Second Lieutenant .1. A. V. Kirkland, from the Rifle Brigade, to be Ensign and Lieute nant, by purchase, vice Villiers, July 27. 2d Regiment of Foot--Ensign G. Piercy to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Moodie, who retires, July 27 ; Ensign E. Honey wood, from the 54th Regiment of Foot, to be Lieutenant, by pur chase, vice Lewis, appointed to the 45th Regiment of Foot, July 28. 4th Foot.—Brevet Lieutenant-Colonel R. Macdonald, from the 54th Regiment of Foot, to IN 3 Major, vice Beetham, who ex changes, July 27. 7th Foot.—Lieutenant B. Bernal to be Captain, by purchase, vice Norman, who reilres, July 27 ; Lieutenant A. J. Pack, from the half-pay Unattached, to be Lieutenant, vice W. Balfour, who exchanges, July 25 ; Ensign Robert Francis Lord Gifford, from the 52d Regiment of Foot, to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Bernal, July 17th Foot---Ensign H. William Bacc, from the 38th Regiment of Foot, to '4 . se Lieutenant, without purchase, vice Dalgety, cashiered by the sentence of a General Court Martial, July 27. 20 tb.'Foot—Lieut. E. Hill to be Captain, by purchase, vice Cav•indish, who retires; Ensign L. D. Gordon to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Hill, July 27. 25th Foot--Capt. J. H. Cooke, from the half-pay Unattached, to be Captain, vice Brevet Major Thomas Stewart, who exchanges, receiving the difference, July 27. 27th Foot —Captain M. d. Johnstone to be Major, by purchase, vice Maclean, who retires; Lieut. J. F. Lonsdale to be Captain, by purchase, vice Johnstone ; Ensign J. Lewes to be Lieut., by purchase, vice Lonsdale ; G. L. Thomson, Gent. to be Ensign, by purchase, vice Lewis, July 27. 35 th Foot—Gentleman Cadet .1. A. Ewart, from the RoyalMili tory College, to be Ensign, without purchase, July 27. 38th Feot - •--Serjeant-Major C. W. Litchfield to be Ensign, with out purchase, vice Bace, promoted in the 17th Regiment of Foot, July 27, 45 04 Foot—Lieut. W. R. Lewes, frem the 2d Regiment of Foot, to be Lieutenant, vice Walsh, who retires, July 27. 50th Foot—Ensign G. G. M. Cobban to be Lieutenant, by pur chase, vice C amp b e ll , w h o retires • H. Otho de Crespigny, G ent., to be En s i gn , b y purc h ase, vice eobban, July 27. 52d Foot--F. Carden, Gent., to be Ensign, by purchase, vice Lord Gifford promoted in the 7th Regiment of Foot, July 27. 54th Foot—Major W. Beetham, from the 4th Regiment of Foot, to be Major, vice Macdonald, who exchanges, July 27 ; C. L. Cocks, Gent., to be Ensign, by purchase, vice Honeywood, promoted in the 2d Regiment of Foot, July 28. 60th Foot—Serjeant-Major M. Waterhouse to be Quartermaster, vice Jonathan Booth, who retires upon half-pay, July 27. 93d Foot—Brevet Colonel H. B. Harris, from half-pay Unat tached, to be Lieutenant-Colonel, vice Brevet Colonel Duncan M'Gregor, who exchanges, 27th July ; Major R. Spark, to be Lieutenant-Colonel, by purchase, vice Harris, who retires, ; Cap tain J. Burgh, to be Major, by purchase, vice Spark ; Lieutenant N. S. Buchanan, to be Captain, by purchase, vice Burgh ; Ensign C. H. Gordon, to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Buchanan ; G. Seton, Gent. to be Ensign by purchase, vice Gordon, July 28. Rifle Brigade—NV. B. Ramsay, Gent., to be Second Lieute nant, by purchase, vice Kirkland, appointed to the Coldstream Guards, July 27. Ceylon Rifle Regiment—Lieutenant A. Grierson, from the half-pay of the 38th Regiment of Foot, to be Lieutenant, vice R. Campbell, who exchanges, July 27. Royal African Colonial Corps—Lieut. P. Craufurd, from the half-pay Unattached, to be Lieutenant, without purchase, vice W. Fraser, who returns to his former situation as an Ensign, upon half-pay, July 27. _ HOSPITAL STAFF. E. R. Fraser, Gent., to be Assistant-Surgeon to the Forces, vice Boys, appointed to the 6th Dra2 - oens, July 27. BREVET.__ Colonel Thomas Dilmer, on the half-pay of the 43d Regiment of Foot, to be Major-General in the Army, June 28. To be Colonels in the Army.—Lient.-Colonel J. Crowder, on half-pay of the 23d Regiment of Foot ; Lieut.-Colonel W. C. Seton, en the half-pay of the 88th Regiment of Foot • Lieut.- Colonel W. Dougl as , on th e h a lf- pay o f t h e Royal ingineers, Juno 28. To be Major in the Army.—Captain J. H. Cooke, of the 25th Regiment of Foot, June 28. BANK OF Quarterly Average of the weekly of England, from the Ist M inclusive, pursuant to the Act 3 LIABILITIES. Circulation ...... £19,286,000 Securities £22,601,000 Deposits ... 10,424,000 Bullion ... 9,749,000 EN GLAND. Liabilities and Assets of the Bank Ly to the 24th July, 18.38, both and 4 W. IV., cap. 99. ASSETS. £29,710,000 I Downing-street, July 26, 1838, £32,350,000 BANKRUPTCIES SUPERSEDED. EDWARD SOUTTEN, dealer, Fox and Knot-yard, Snow. bill. PETER LOWE, merchant, Upton, Cheshire. JEREMIAH CHITTENDEN, Jun., hop-factor, Three Tuns court, Southwark. BANKRUPTS. GEORGE HANSON, cutler, Fleet-street, to surrender on the 10th of Aug., at twelve, and Sept. 7, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Cannan, Official Assignee, Finsbury-sqvare ; Parker and Lawe, Birmingham ; Holme, Loftus, and Young, New Inn: WILLIAM GREVILLE JONES, surgeon, Greville-street, Brook-greet, Holborn, Aug. 3, at two, and Sept. 7, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Abbott, Official Assignee ; Davies, Palsgrove-place, Temple. JOHN STEDMAN, hatter, Preston, Lancashire, Aug. 10, and Sept. 7, at eleven, at the Town-hall, Preston, Lancashire ; Chester, Staple-inn, and Burt, Lancaster-place, London ; Haydock, Preston. HENRY PERKINS HA.MNIOND, rope-maker, Bishop's gate-street, Aug. 11, at one, and Sept. 7, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Edwards, Frederick's-place, Old Jewry ; Lang, Fenchnreh-street. JOHN ALMOND, grocer, Hetten-le-Hole, Durham, Aug. 8, at eleven, and Sept. 7, at seven, at the Half-Moon Inn, Gateshead; Meggison, Pringle, and Mansity, 3, King's-road, Bedford-row, London ; or P. H Stanton, Newcastle-upon-Tyne. WILLIAM GUNN `.L, currier, Cirencester, Gloucester, Aug. 24, and Sept. 7, at At, at the office of T. Lediard. Cirences ter; Lediard, Cirencester; or Heath, 2, Charlotte-row, Mansion house, London. COURSE OF EXCHANGE.—/THIS DAY.) A nsteid ins . - C.F. 12 6% i iit‘rana • Ditte,, st i•glit ..„.... ...... .. l'il .5„1., egt.,,,rn :52 Rom 5aain....... .............. U. 12 7 Genoa Antwerp—. Hamburg. ...... ........ M.B. 13 1:4; Venice ll Xtona..... Parks, 3 days' sigh.. 2: , 65 Palerrao ...... ........ ...... per oz. 117 Dim,— .. ...... ..... .3 Ms. 95 90 Lisbon 5.114 Marseilles. ....„.... ... ..„.. •6 0 I Ornito ..... .—.............„... ...... Buurileaux , 2ll 0 fli Janeir0.......... 2B Frankfort on Marne, Ex. M 154 0 %hiss 27 Pctersbusgh, ruble 3 Us. 10 0 j Buenos Ayres ......... ............... - - Berlin Vies ns. erteciive H •) M. 10 15 Trkide ..... ..... 10 16 1411.1r1r 4 v 6 ,4, Cid1z.... Bdempa Bircelonz &mine I°‘ - (1C1c. OF BULLION, Yit.:tt C 4 lifjBal ()di, coin £0 0 (1 Gold, in bars 3 i 7 9 New Douldeons ...... 0 0 0 New Dollars Silver, bars, standard 0 4 1 COAL MARKET.-(THIS DAY.) 54ing irrivrd sinc:. 12st marks-t -day. 14. Fes ''.. cm. 3. ~ !".r > r./. s. d Aoairs. ...... .. Flordon ... :9. 0 111WeN 'I an& Id Moor ln (I tillsF.nd Bradklyll's Iletton 22 6 to-stet M in Dean s Prnnroae l7 6 - ....:i'd , En.i 1.-.TriNton Rustle l's high Main Smith Tan &Ad South Hartley IS 6 Walls End Hartlepool ....... ... 22 9 fau 4e!rt Moor '2 0 Wall,. End South Durham.... 10 9 14 41 llncley W4IIA End Brown's W.l Is Eno Heaton 2l 9 Blythe. v'ails End Hilda . ..... W , li. E.) Killin..vrorth ...... 19 9 I Howard's Netherton Main WAs End Nay, ma t ch I" 0 I loncei.neeh Coal W 4ll . End tieuthurnberla , d . 15 3 Manstoi. M •In l9 0 MARKET INTELLIGENCE. (From the NeseLondon Price Current of this Evening.) Suns* —There has been a much better demand for West India Mus. coved-we this week, both grocers and refiners have purchased freely, arid Set good and fine yellew deser,ptions they have been compelled to pay an afire of Oci to Is, th quantity at market bring still small; brown and lour yell6m sorts brought previous rates; on Tuesday the quantity sold amounted to 800 hds and trs, which included a public sale of 1213 Ms 10 is karhatines, which sold with spirit at the advance noticed above, fine brought 6es to 833 Bd, goad 62s to 62s 6d, mid 59s to 6ls ; on Wedue?. slay ,0) hits; &c. of various kinds were di.posed of privately, besides 194 hhdg 9 ties 13 brls Barbadoes at auction, which so'd readily at prices ie some instances rather above these of the previous day, and fetched 57s to 643 far low to tine quality; yesterday the private operations amounted to 71 5 0 hhds and trs; sales of Berbice of got cl grceish brown quality have becn made at 501 to 51s; Tobago and Jamaica much better at 32s to 535, mid yellow 545 to 545 6d ; Grenada and J::maiea mid grey 53s to iZs 6d : Dominica with some ttrength 54s to 555, good Mid yellow fur the seale from other places .55s to 565,g00d sos ; Jamaica and Antigua fine 62s to 635. Thin afternoon there was a good beslnem both for the seal' and pan St the . prices.of yesterday; the quantity said fo: 0.9 wee, including tae auctions, amounts to C,200 hhde and trs. ?hi /tamed Nlarlet 'continues to nieseut a very healthy appearance !hr th - e'bome trade have again purchased freely of all qualities, and a flit, Vier ed . ranci of ed to is hes been obtained ; Lutrpsin lrrge parcels ratite+. tinder- Vie standard have readily brought 555, and those passing 77e ;r nearly all The goeils ready have been taken out of the Market, although the refiners are working freely ; from the shippers there have been several:enquiries, but the high rates which the grocers pay, and the supply of goods being short, has restricted business, and the operations have beett.entillned to a few . parcels of double Crushed deliverable in fourteen.days at 34s 6cl M.a afternoon 4.211 bags at auction met with a steady demand, end higher prices by W. were obtained for the good yellow quaiitteC Brown and other sorts maintained their former currency ; good YeNctr brought 5 7 s 6,1 to 59 3 ; low raid. and =ld., 53s to 5!..4 ; to =cod browa; - 49 s tirl tt1.516 pie cwt. EAST INDIA.—For Maniha the demand has again been limited; Siam_ has been taken Me freely, good dry white 30s to 31s 6d, damp or& nary yeltow tb good white, which formed the principal pwrt the sa!e, td to 30s 6d ; Bengal has brought previont i\rlces, but the Grocers have purchased sparingly by private tdtittaet, and none has been offered at auction, motAssrtz-At the prices previously established for West India there has M. 0 . ,. fair business transacted, Antigua of good quality have yielded `his. per cwt. COFFEE.—This afternoon the market for East and West India Coffee was liyely ; at auction 233 casks 64 barrels and 165 bags British Plan. tation, and 941 bags Ceylon were brought forward, the former sold with much spirit at prices fully equal to those previously chained ; good Jamaica brought 1208. to 122 s 6d, mid 109 s to 113 s, low mid 105 s to 1083 ; for the latter there was a good demand, and 2s to 3s ad vance was obtained, good ord selling at 905 to 91s, fine ord 92s 6d to 975, fine even pate 105 s to 107 s 6d, one lot superior 1103 per cwt: COCOA.—This afternoon the public sales were large of British Planta. Lion, and consisted of 371 barrels gal bags, for which there was a good demand, and Is advance was obtained, Trinidad ord grey selling at 40. s to 41s, mid 42s ti 435, mid dark red 44s to 455 6d ; Grenada dark red 40s to 40s 6d per cwt. . . _ Rum, BRANDY, AND HOLLLNDS.—The transactions in Rum have been to a less extent this week. Of Jamaica 250 puncheons have been sold, 20 to 26 percent. over proof at 4s hl to 4s 2d, 27 to 30 over 4s 3d to 4s 4d, 32 to 36 over 4s 5d to 4s Gd, 37 to 39 over 4s 7d to 46 9d. Brandy, of the vintage of 1836 in puns 3s 6,1, in hhds 3s 8d ; 1634 in puns 4s, in hhds 4s 2d ; 1852 in puns 4s 2d ; Geneva is held for 2s to 2s Id ; British Corn Spirit, lOs per gallon. Setcas.—The demand for Pepper continues to Improve, and business to a fair extent has been transa...ted at 1 advance on previous rates ; 1,500 bags have been offered at auction, whizh so'd with animation, common Malabar at 3%d to 3.4 d, Sumatra good 3;d to 31d. This afternoon the auctions consisted of 1,031 chests Cassia Lignea and 410 bags Pimento ; the former did not sell so well as was expected ; low mid. 52s a 53', mid 54s to 56s 6d, fine 615 ; the latter went rather cheaper, ord. to good mid. 21cl to 3Ad per lb. Rms.—East India has been in good request at previous rates, 1,500 bags Bengal at auction sold at 14s 6d to 15s for good middling and good white; in Carolina a fair business has been transacted for home consumption at former quotations, but for export sales are prevented by the scanty supply. OlLS.—Fish Oils of common quality have maintained previous rates. Pale Seal in small quantities has been sold at 391, Cod at 3M 10s. In Linseed the purchases have been very limited at 16s; Rape has been taken sparingly; of Palm there is scarcely any here, and the price re mains nominal at 401. SALTPETRE. —The buyers of Rough have purchased freely this week, and at the large public sales of 6,237 bags an advance of 6d has been established, Calcutta refraction 51 to 4 lbs per cent. brought 24s to 24s 6d, 94 to 8 refraction 23s to 23s 6d, 141 to 11 refraction 22s 6d to 23s ; British Refined has sold to a fair extent, and prices have advanced to 28s 6d for brls, and 28s for hhds. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT, (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. Their Lordships sat to.day at Four •'clock. ROYAL ASSENT. The Royal Assent was given to.day by Commission to the Glass Du. ties Bill, the New South %Vales Administration of Justice Bill, the Qua. lineation of Members Bill, the Judges Jurisdiction Extension• Bill, the Waterloo Fund Bill, the Vagrants Act Amendment Bill, the Slave Trea ties Bill, the Deans Forest Bill, the Western Australia Govern. ment Continuation Bill, the Chancery Fund Bill, the Dublin Grand Jury Cess Bill, the Linen Manufacturies (Ireland) Regulation Bill, the Kingston Harbour Bill, the Festiniog Railway Bill, the Eastern Counties Railway Amendment Bill, the Birmingham and Derby Junction Railway Improvement Bill, the City Improve ment Bill, the Glasgow Water Works Bill, the Fishguard Harbour Bill, the Lochswilly and Lochfoyle Drainage Bill, the Blackheath Small Debts Bill, the Ashby De-la-Zouch Small Debts Bill, the National Loan Fund Life Assurance Bill, Smiths' Estate Bill, the Paddington Estates Bill, Grove's Naturalization Bill, and several private Bills. The Commissioners were the LORD CHANCELLOR, the Marquis of L►Nsoowrsa, and the Earl of Suarraseuay. The LORD CH►NCRLLOR took the Chair shortly before Five. POOR-LAW BILL The following noblemen were appointed to conduct a conference with the House of Commons on the amendments to the Irish Poor-law Bill The Earl of Shaftesbury, Earl of Liverpool, Earl of Charleville, Viscount Hawarden, Bishop of Hereford, Lord Hathorton, and Lord Portman. On their return, The Earl of SHAFTESBURY stated that their Lordships had agreed to certain, and disagreed to others of the amendments made by the Commons. BEER ACTS. Viscount MELBOURNE presented a petition from the brewers and beer sellers of Warrington against any amendment of the Beer Act. SPA IN. Marquis of LONDONDERRY moved for copies of correspondence between Sir De Lacy Evans and others, relative to the claims of the Spanish legion.—Agreed to. The Noble Ma 'Qum then presented a petition from Mr. O'Malley Irwin, praying that his case might be considered. The Noble Marquis entered at some length into the statements •f the petitioner, but was al. most entirely inaudible, but it appeared that Mr. Irwin had been trial by direction of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland for forging the signature of an Assistant Barrister; and the petition complained that the then Secretary of Ireland (Lord Hatherton, late Mr. Littleton) did not ap. pear at the trial, and that certain letters were not produced. Lord HATHERTON said the petition (which was the ex parte re presentation of the petitioner) was a very ill-advised attempt to revive the recollection of a transaction utterly disgraceful. Lord BROUGHAM protested against the presentation of a petition from a person convicted on a criminal trial.-,-(Hear, hear.) COPYRIGHT. Lord BROUGHAM said a learned and eloquent friend of his (Mr. Sergeant Talford) had introduced into the other House a Bill for the extension of the rights of authors with regard to the copyright of their works. He (Lord Brougham) did not entirely approve of that Bill, but considered its object most desirable ; and with this view he had prepared a Bill which had received the approbation of many gen. tlernen in the profession of the law, and which facilitated appeals to the Privy Council, by authors or assignees of copyrights, for prolongation of the period of copyright. He now laid this Bill before the House, and begged that it be printed.—Agreed to. IRISH POOR-LAW. Mr. BERNAL appeared at the Bar, and communicated that the House of Commons did not insist on the amendments proposed by them to the amendments of their Lordships to the Irish Poor.law Bill. IRISH TITHE BILL. Mr. BERNAL brought up this Bill. MAILS ON RAILWAYS BILL. Mr. BaascAL also brought up this Bill. MUNICIPAL ACCOUNTS. Lord LYNDHURST asked why the abstracts of municipal accounts, which, by the Act of 1836, were required to be laid before their Lord. ships, had not been so produced ? Viscount MELBOURNE— I will make inquiry on the subject. IRISH TITHE BILL. Viscount MELBOURNE moved the first reading of this Bill, fixing the second reading for Tuesday.—Agreed to. BEER ACT. In answer to some observations of the Marquis of WESTMINSTER, Lord BROUGHAM said he should press his Beer Act Amendment Bill as far as possible this Session IRISH MAGISTRACY. On a question by the Marquis of DO WNSHIRE, a long discussion arose upon the dismissal of a gentleman named Corry from the Irish Magistracy, by Lord Plunket, which ended in the Marquis of LONDON DIMRY'S giving notice that on Thursday he would call the attention of the House to the subject. Lord HADDINGTON also gave notice of bringing before the House a statement regarding the appointment of two Irish Magistrates. IRISH RAILROADS. Marquis LANSDOWNE laid upon the Table the Second Report of the Railway Commissioners (Ireland) Enquiry. (t.trr srrriNu.) HOUSE OF COMMONS. The STEALER took the Chair a few minutes before Four. Mr. PCILMAN, the Deputy Usher of the Black Rod, having advanced to the table, requested the attendance of this House in the House of Lords, to hear the Royal Assent given to several Bills (for which see Lords' Report.) On the motion of Mr. FIELDEN, the Lords' Amendments to the Oldham Gas Bill %; ere agreed to. Captain ALSA GER presented a petition from the borough of Mary. lebone, against any further grant to the College of Maynooth ; and a petition agreed to at the meeting at Exeter Hall, in favour of the Chureh in Canada. Captain BRYANT presented two petitions from the county of Kit_ kenny, in favour of the abolition of tithes. Mr. WALLACE presented a petition from the operatives of Kelso, relative to the provisions of the Combination Act, and moved that the petition be printed with the votes, as it was his intention to call the no tice of the linsse to the subject on Monday next. The Hon. Member said that the petitioners stated that one of their numl:er had been im prisoned, at the instance of his employer, for leaving his .work, which the petitioners all ,ge is a punishment far too severe for such an offence, and prayed that this part of the Act should be modified or repealed. Captain DUNBA It presented petitions from several Wesleyan Con. gregations in Somersetshire against idolatrous worship in India. Petitions to the same effect were presented by Mr:Hope ; Mr. Gaily Knight, from Buckinghamshire; by Captain Polhill, from places in Bedfordshire; by Mr. Marshall, from Carlisle, against idolatrous pageant and Roman Catholic worship; and by Captain Wood, from the Dissen. tees of Great Queen-street Chapel, to the same effect. Captain ALSA GER gave notice that in the Camberwell Church Building Amendment Act he should move a clause giving to the Bishop the power of determining whether one-third of the:Mins should be free.. BANK OF IRELAND. On the motion that the Order of the Day for the House resolving itself into a Committee of Supply be read, Mr. HUME rose to bring on the motion of which he had given notice as follows That the exclusive privileges now eiljo)cd by the Bank of Ireland are injurious to the best interests of that country, and it is therefore most ex p e di ent and j ust to p l ace , as s oon as possible, the Banks of Ireland on a footing of equality." He wished to know why Ireland, which so much wan t e d the benefit of capital, should be continued under such a system of monopoly any longer. He considered that they were now in a situation to throw out of view what had been the evils of Joint-stock Banks, or of the Bank of Ireland. They were now in a situation to call upon the Government to say why the system of banking in Ireland should not now be put on the same footing as the banks in Scotland. He would call for the same justice to this country,only that he knew that the Bank of England had their monopoly fur a certain time; but in the case of the Bank of Ireland, the case was dif ferent ; for their charter of exclusiveness was now at an end, and there could be no reason for continuing so injurious a monopoly. Why was the capital of the Bank of Ireland, amounting to two mil. lions and a half, lent to the Government at an interest of 4 per cent.? and he wished to know whether the Right Hon. Gentleman had con. tinued the former rate of interest, or whether since January any new arrangement had been made. Seeing the Right Hon. Gentleman might have borrowed the money at 3 per cent., if he was paying 4 or 4 per cent., it was evident that was to the great i n j ury of the public. He did not know any reason why the Bank of Ireland should not be placed on the came footing as every Bank in Scotland.—.(He ar ) He (Mr. Hume) wished the Government to declare their intentions as to the future state cf banking in Ireland; and he now begged to =ye his resolution. Sir J. RAE REID, in seconding the resolution, said he hoped the Government, if they had it in contemplation to renew the Charter of the Bank of Ireland, would recd lect the circatzstancLeune.cf which that Char. ter had originally been grante.i. It was subsequently to the Legislature of Ireland being independent of England; and in consequence it was consi tiered necessary that Ireland should, as England had, have a National Bank. But since the Act of Union had passed, what necessity could be imagined fur two National Banks ? In regard to the delay of the Joint Stock Banks Committee Report, at the commencement of the Session, he (Sir J. R. Reid; had been informed that an Honourable Mere. ber had dt.ne him the honour to propose him as a Me m . ber of that Committee; and his excuse for not acting w as, that all the evidence had been received, and that nothing further but the report was to be done yet; now (some months subsequent; no report had been received. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said both the mover and the seconder of the amendment had fallen into error in suppesing that i .o✓ing the Committee the, object Icaa to Oratide: Cie evidtnsi and frame a report. On the contrary, he (the Chancellor of the Ex -0,AI:1er) had stated that there were three distinct questions on which evidence was to be taken : —the Establishment of Branch Banks of England throughout England ; the issues, by cer. tain of these Joint Stock Banks of bank paper in substitution for their own; and, thirdly, this subject of the Bank of Ireland.—(Hear.) The proceedings in the Committee had been strictly in accordance with the statements he then made. It had not inquired into matters which were the subject of investigation on previous occasions, and tl - ere was therefore no inconsistency in the course taken by the Com. mittee, and the declara ion which he had made. He should decline row entering into an argument on thecase,because he coo Id ,how to the House a sufficient reason for reserving that subject for future considera-ton. Nothing could be more indiscreet on his part than to go into a prema ture discussion as to whether he agreed with or dissented from the proposition of the Hon. Member, because it might prejudice the ques. tion to do so before the evidence which had been taken was in the hands of Members. But the House and the Hon. Gentleman had a right to see that the public interests were not affected or forestalled out of doors. The Report, which had been brought up, adverted to this subject, and recommended that a Bill in continuation of that of last Session should be brought in, in such a manner as to give the House an unfettered dis cretion in the next Session to deal with the question as it should think fit.—(Hear.)—This was doing all that could be required in the present posture of affairs. Without going into the general pro position, he wished to say one word on a suggestion made by the Hon. Member for Kilkenny. He not only had thrown out a supposition, the practicability of which he did not doubt, that an unres. tricted freedom of competition in banking would be advantageous to the interests of Ireland, but he had thrown out a much larger proposition, that if it were not fur the privileges of the Bank of England a free competition of the banks of issue in this country was a matter which he contemplated as advantageous. This was a suggestion to which he should enter his dissent, reserving it as a matter for future consideration.—(Hear, hear, and cheers.) There was another matter on which he also wished to make an observation. Undoubtedly there was on the amount of advances made by the Bank of Ireland, an amount of interest beyond the market rate of interest ; but on the other hand the Bank of Ireland acted differently by the public from the Bank of England, which charged 3401. per million on the management of the public debt, whilst the Bank of Ireland transacted this without any charge whatever . He would not go into the question further than to assure the Honourable Member, that if he looked minutely into this matter, which must be dine next year at any rate, he would find that so great a saving as he anticipated would not be effected. He (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) was as anxious as any man to save 30,0001. or 40,0001., but he was afraid that could not be done. He, however, thought the arrangement that had been made such as deserved reconsideration. The Honourable Member had observed upon the effect of Joint Stock Banks, and had said that the enquiry that had been entered into with re. epect to them, and the publication of the evidence, had been adopted by the Government in a feeling of hostility towards them. Now, in answer to that he begged to say, that he had been actuated by no such feeling.—(Hear, hear.) The Honourable Member had also said that the publication of the evidence had left those Banks in a state of feverish excitement. In that statement he could not agree with him, as it was Ws belief that the publication of the evidence had been attended with the best elFect, as it had given to the Banks, many of whom were in their infancy, the benefit of the example and experience of the older banks. The northern and central, and some of the other banks, were in no way connected with this subject ; and if they were, when he considered the pressure under which the public laboured, and the small number of failures that had taken place, he felt convinced that the principle of Joint Stock Banks was good, and would prove beneficial to the country. Under these circumstances he trust. d the explanation he had given would be satisfactory, reserving to himself the right of making any observations in the next Session that he might think fit. Air. WARBURTON, after the intimation just given by the Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer, as also the statements made on a former occasion, that in next Session of Parliament not only the affairs of the Bank of Ireland, but also the principles by which the affairs of the Bank of England were regulated, would be submitted to a Committee, and there undergo examination and discussion, thought it would be most advisable if his Honourable Friend would not persevere in his motion.—(Hear, hear, hear.) Some of those prin ciples by which Banking Companies were regulated, particularly with respect to unrestricted circulation, had been the subject of discussion with men who were best informed upon the subject ; and it being now deeded that a Committee would sit for the purpose of deciding upon these and other points next Session, he trusted his Hon. Friend would withdraw the motion. T4l StJN, LO DON AIDA'S!, JULY CONFERENCE WITH THE LORDS. Messengers from the Lords here appeared at the table of the House requesting a conference with the House of Commons, on the amend ments made in the Poor Relief (Ireland) Bill. The question having been put and agreed to ; Lord J. Russell, Sir James Graham, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Lord Granville So merset, Sir George Grey, and others, were appointed to manage the con. ference on the part of the House of Commons. Lord JOHN RUSSELL, and other Managers of the Conference, re turned after a quarter of an hour's absence, and reported that they had had a Conference with the Lords, managed by the Earl of Shaftesbury. Their Lordships did not insist upon certain of their amendments, and insisted upon certain others, their reasons for which they had deliverer to them. Lord J. RUSSELL proposed that the House should agree to the amendments made by the Lords. If they were fouud inconvenient hereafter a Bill could be brought in to alter them. Mr. O'CONNELL said that one of the reasons given by the Lords for an amendment was the most extraordinary he had ever heard, because it was net consistent with the fact.—(" Hear, hear," and a laugh.) The amendments were then agreed to. The debate was then resumed. Mr. O'CONNELL protested against being considered as bound by, or acquiescing in, what the Chancellor had said, that the evidence was closed with respect to the Bank of Ireland. That was not the case, for there were even now persons in town waiting to be examined. He would not advance any opinion on the evidence as it was not closed, but it appeared that on a loan of two millions, one half was at five per cent., and the other at four, giving an average of 4i, when money could be had at 3i ; so that fl had been lost for an immense number of years. He trusted the Hon. Member would withdraw his motion. Mr. HUME having withdrawn it, The SPEAKER put the question, that the House resolve itself into . * Committee of Supply. Mr. WARBURTON enquired whether the Commissioners to whom was referred the second class of Danish claims, for goods an shore, had yet reported to the Lords of the Treasury. - The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said they had made a preliminary report, but not a final one. Sir S. CANNING wish to make a further enquiry on a subject to which he had called the attention of the President of the Board of Control. The Noble Lord at the head of the Foreign Department would be able to answer the question as satisfactorily as his colleague, it was well known. The SPEA KER said that the Hon. Member must confine 1 4mselfto the question he intended to put. Sir S. CANNING said that he had already attended three different times in that House in order to put the question, and unless he was allowed to make a few observations in explanation, he was afraid he should be obliged to lose the present opportunity. There had long been an intimate connection between Persia and Russia, and that connection appeared to have taken a closer character of late. It had long been matter of supposition that, at the conclusion ol the last peace between Persia and Russia, secret articles were signed of a character—(Cries of " Question, question.") He was not to be deterred from doing that which he considered to be his duty, unless he had the direction of the Chair that he was irregular, he believed he was exercising his right properly on the question of going into a Committee of Supply, and he would sit down till he had heard the opinion of the Chair. The SPEAKER said that when an Hon. Member rose professing to ask a question, he expected that he would fulfil that profession, and not enter into reasons, because if that was done, it would be extremely difficult to say when public business would begin. In his opinion the Right Honourable Baronet should comply with the rules of the House. Sir S. CANNING said it was his intention to put a question, but in doing so he thought it necessary to state the circumstances connected with that question. He had avoided every thing like argument and reasoning. His object was not to argue, but merely to ask a question. He understood that a treaty offensive andsdefensive hail been entered in to between the Courts of Persia and Russia; and he also understood that an expedition had been fitted out for Bombay, which was likely to inter. fore with the friendly relations existing between England and Persia. He wished to know from the Noble Lord the Secretary ,for Fore gn AffairF, whether the objects of that expedition were such as to justify Persia in placing herself in hostile relation towards England ; and whe ther the Government had been informed of any treaty between Russia and Persia of the nature of that to which he had alluded ? Lord PALMERSTON—With reia;;43theiiighlHon. Gentleman's tirht question, would merely refer him to the statement of his ,Right Hon. Friend the President of the Board of Controul With regard to the treaty to which he had alluded, he (Lord Palmerston) had received no information on the sutjeS. .. - - . Sir R. PEEL—An armament had proceeded from the British domi. Mons, and he conceived that when the House was going into a Commit tee of Supply, that was the proper time to ask what its nature and ob. jtcts were. He wished to know whether the armament had been sent at the solicitation of the Court of Persia, or whether it went with a hostile intention tr‘wards that power ? Lord PA LNIERSTON said his Right Hon. Friend the President of the Board of Controul had stated on a former occasion that the ex pedition, consisting of a small force (about a battalion), had . gone to y by order of the Governor of India, for the purpose of protecting British interests in connection with the Resident at Bushere. Sir R. PEEL begged to ask the Noble Lord what were the circum stances that placed British interests in such jeopardy. Lord PALMERSTON said that question ought to have been put to his Right Hon. Friend the President of the Board of Control. Sir R. PEEL—As a Member of this House, on going into a Committee of Supply, I put the question again. In what manner are British in terests in such danger as to demand the presence and protection of a battalion of the army at Bushcre ? I surely have a perfect right to de. mand an answer to such a question. Lord PALMERSTON said, that consistent with his pubtie duty, he fdund it impossible to give any other answer. If the Right Hoo. Ba ronet had ahy motion to make upon the cubject, hd (Lord I'.) woald be leady to meet him. Sir R. PEEL was aware that on oecasions there were reasons of State policy which rendered it imprudent to answer certain questions. When thole were pleaded he was never found to press the subject. The an swer now given was that which ought to have been given at first. In answer to a question from Mr. MACKINNON, Lord PALMERSTON said he had given notice of the Blockade of Vera Cruz, the moment he was made acquainted with it by the French Government it was established by the officers on the station at their own discretion which accounted for the delay. It was usual for countries out of courtesy, to give notice when they sent out orders for a blockade, but in this case they were conditional and dependent upon ciiscussions upon S ie spQt. Mr. Alderman THOMPSON comphsined that the Captains of British ships were not allowed to embark bullion on board their ship, which was a peat ardship upon the merchants of this country, inasmuch as the b:Aance of trade was touch against Mexico. Lord PALMERSTON said the Honourable Gen Imam knew per fectly well that the French Government were eat arti to establish a blockade, an.i that it was only as a matter of courtesy to the En,;lish Government that an exception was made to the packets carrying out correspondence between this country and Mexico. Two questions were then put to the French Government; first, whether they would permit those packets to convey 5 p:c i e belonging to merchants; and,ncxt, whether they would permit them to carry specie belonging to the English G rvernment. The French Government to. ced.d to the latter request, but declined to allow Peckets to convey specie belonging to individuals; And certainly the permitting packets to pass at all was an indulgence which we had no right to expe c t, POOR LAWS. Mr. Cr PALMER then rose to move for a copy of a letter, dated the 6th of January, , 1633, address, d by th e P oor _ law Commissioners, to the Assistant Commissioners with whichc.n.tain pproposedd orders for the appointment of continue but he felt than the law of tha Assistant Overseers were sent. In doing this h e was not influenced by party spirit. Tire que,tion was one which equa l ly in. terk . sted every individual within o r w it hou t that House.—(R ear. ) great e a d t i a d m n e o n t diti d, seiortestwoosreecit,heceorsespareay to lof ai t io h w e Poor it tto L country, and he trusted the Committee, which had been so long sitting, would at last produce something satisfactory to the country, Th e enc _ tion of buildings throughout the country was not only an extravagant but useless expenditure of the public, to say nothing of the separation of families, and If they should be used to any extent in that capacity, it would be found necessary to have soldiers to keep the occupants in order. He would not now enter into any details as to the management c . : the Yoe:.—;,ilea:, he: r, tear.) 1U had a tither pth t i o . in view. —(Hear, hear.) He looked to the effect which the dictatorial pow,tr of the Commissioners must have on rights of thi• community. With this feeling it was his desire to bring this question for ward before the Irish Poor-latt , Bill passed into a law. The Hon. Mgmber then referred to several statements which had ap. pcared in the public papers, for the purpose of making out his case. The powers given to the Poor-law Commissioners were incompatible with the liberties of the British subject, and were exercised in a most unconstitutional manner. The liberties of the people were never in such danger as when they themselves became supine. If the people of England were not on their guard, they would ere long have little to look for. He had had no reason to believe the pa:'er he wished for would have been obj:cted to the Noble Lord or the Right Honourable Gentleman the Ch:incellor of the Exchequ-!r, and it was only when he had on a former occasion moved for its produc tion that he found there was a determination to oppose its production. He hoped the Noble Lord would not on this occasion shelter himself behind any plan of expediency. The Hon. Member concluded by moving his amendment. Sir C. B. WERE seconded the amendment. Lord J. RUSSELL had the same objection to the production of this document as when it was before a'ked for. The motion was then rejected without a division. The House then went into a Committee of Supply. (LEFT SITTING. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS. JuLr 26. sammu m TITHES (IRELAND) BILL. Mr. DILLON BROWN (in continuation from our Second Edition of last night) said— The latter was the more likely consequence to ensue. And he was told that that should be an inducement to accept the Bill—that landlord and tenant suffering a mutual inconvenience would unite for their total abolition. Now as that could only be pro cured by a resistance to rent, and the collisions consequent, he must say that it was a most unholy means of arriving et an end. As to its fastening the tithes upon the people of Ire land, if that social irruption did not take place, it was equally as true. It might be said that after the expiration of present leases the tenants would be relieved from the payment of tithes ; but what a quantity of blood might be shed in the mean time I They would not then have men subdued by the feelings of religion, who had other sources to look to in the religious zeal of the community, seeking the tenth of the produce of the soil ; but they would have those in whom the whole right of the soil existed, with a spirit enflamed by evil passions—exaspe rated by a denial of the whole of those rights. And even if the leases were to expire to-morrow, this Bill must necessarily rivet the tithe upon the soil of Ireland ; for no Catholic here- after, who, by industry, might have acquired the means to pur chase property, could purchase it in Ireland without having attached to it that degrading impost. He was tald that 25 per cent. was a boon, and ought to be an inducement to accept this measure. That might be the case if it were a pecuniary inconvenience which the people of Ireland suffered in the pay ment of tithes ; but it was not so. If it were, the inconvenience of paying rent would be felt greater in the same proportion as rent exceeded tithe. That was proved by the fact of nearly all the tithe sufferers having paid their rent. It might be said that the peculiar method of collection procured that inconve. nience, but that he denied; for, take an acre of land paying 20s. rent and 2a. tithe, they might pay that ; the inconvenience arose out of the peculiar mode of collecting the 2s. It did not arise—it was voluntarily submitted to. When they considered that the 203. had been paid for, if the tithe payer had commenced with the 2s. the inconvenience could not exist. He would trouble the House with one instance which could be multiplied by a thousand, and which would distinctly prove that it was not a pecuniary inconvenience that the people of Ireland suffered. In Long ford, there was a Bill filed by the Rev. Mr. Digby for tithes of the annual amount of 2i-d. The tithe defaulter resisted, and afterwards compromised his costs for 50/. There was an in stance of pecuniary inconvenience. Take this proposition : suppose two persons of equal means, one liable to a larger, the other to a smaller amount of tithes, both resisting under the old law. Suppose the new law placed the man liable to the larger amount on a level with the man liable to the small amount, under the old law, the latter having resisted before, why not suppose the man reduced to his level, to resist under the present Bill ; or supposing the deduction to be the relief required, why did the man liable to the smaller amount resist under the old law ? Therefore as long as a fraction of it re mained encumbering the soil of Ireland, the same resistance would exist, for it was apolitical repugnance which existed in the minds of the Irish to contribute to the support of a Church from which they derived no spiritual benefit—( Hear, hear)—and which was hostile to the interests of their country. He ( Mr. Browne) wished that tithes should be subject to a re-valuation, and dispossd of to the first estate of inheritance ; that out of the fund created existing interests should be provided for ; and in future that the voluntary system should be introduced. He advocated this conscientiously, as he could not recognise any human or di vine right of tithe. The Church had ne right, which the his tory of Protestantism did not prove that the Constitution could disturb. He invited any man entertaining a contrary opinion to tarry in any town in England, and to enter any cathedral, and he would have, wherever he fixed his eye, a grim evi dence of the mutability of the position of the Church. Let him enter into that gothic temple where a late pageant re minded him so strongly of Catholicism—( Hear, hear) — where ceremonies were borrowed from the Vatican to place the crown of England on the Defendress of the Faith. Let him enter it, and when he heard the service of a new religion chaunted in a new tongue—let him reflect that there once the " Te Deum" rose to Heaven—and that there the chaunting of the sacred liturgy of the dead, according to the ritual of the Church of Rome, once followed the dust of England's proud est monarchs to their last repositories. Let him reflect, and he would find in all around him an incontestible evidence of the mutability of the possessions of the Church, and the power of the Constitution to devote them to what purposes they please.—( Hear, hear.) The Hon. Member concluded by moving that the Bill be read a third time that day three months. Mr. HUME seconded the amendment. He did so upon the ground that the Parliaments of 1835, 1837, and 1838, had resolved that no adjustment of tithes could take place with. out appropriation being included in it. Such being the case, he should be upholding a delusion if he gave his vote to the present Bill, under the belief that it would settle the question of tithes in Ireland. He felt no doubt that the Right Hon. Baronet would be happy to see the Bill pass without the appro priation clause, as by that means he would show his consis tency, he having quitted office upon that question. He ( Mr. H.) believed the Bill, in its present shape, would not satisfy Ireland, and every man that voted for it, under the persuasion that it would settle the tithe question, assisted in keeping up a delusion. Lord EBRINGTON, having taken no part in thediscus sion of this Bill, felt anxious at this, the last stage, to state the ground on which his vote would be given on the question. He considered the system of tithes, which existed in Ireland, as a curse to the country, and a great injury to the interests of the Protestant religion. He supported the Bill, because it would throw the burden of paying the obnoxious impost upon the shoulders of those who had more power, and were better able to put an end to the system. He supported this Bill, bec ause he thought it was the best that could be intro duced in the present state of Ireland, and because he believed it would for a time give, if not perfect peace, at least general tranquillity to Ireland. Mr. WA RD could not agree with what had been stated by the Noble Lord. Having done every thing in his power to introduce the appropriation clause, and having voted with the Hon. Member for Kilkenny against the money clauses, which he thought so objectionable, it was not now necessary for him to reiterate those sentiments. In conelus.on, he expressed his decided intention to support the am mdment of the Hon. Member for Mayo. Sir W. M. SOMERVILLE believed the objections of the Irish people were not so much to the tax levied on them, as to a conscientious objection to supporting a Church, in the tenets of which they did not concur.—( Hear.) The principle now proposed was worse than appropriation—it was anihilation of our faith—of the national property. Why was the 25 per cent. not devoted to some purpose of public utility—why not give it to the promotion of the Irish Poor law scheme, which would give great satisfaction to the Irish people ? English Gentlemen knew nothing whatever of the disorgazied state of Ireland. Within a few miles of his ( Sir W. Somerville's) residence he knew of his own knowledge that a respectable clergy man was under the necessity of serving his own tithe notices. There could be no better or more truly respectable man than this, and yet be was driven to this necessity. In his parish there was a great disproportion between the Roman Catholic and the Protestant inhabitants. He believed that the present Bill would fail. He did not wish it to be supposed that he acquiesced in the measure; and if his fellow-country men should think it necessary to agitate farther to procure some final measure that would secure the peace of Ireland, he would feel bound to give them his support. He thought that the Established Church as it at present existed in Ireland was the greatest barrier to the spread of Protestantism in that country. Mr. G ROTE would give his suppirttothe amendment of the Hon. Member for Mayo, that . ihe Bill be read a third time this day six months. It was impossible to say anything new on this subject, and indeed the only novelty was to be found in the variance between the premises and the conclu sions of thoae who supported this Bill. It was impossible that any person could have made a more effective speech r -tainst the Bill than the Hon. Baronet ; and how it was pos sible that that Hon. Member could bring himself to support a measure, from which he stated it was impossible that he could get any good, was a problem which he (Mr. Grote) was totally unable to understand. In considering this Bill he could not exclude from his mind the grant of money which it involved. Amongst the many objections which he entertained to the Bill, that which he entertained on this ground was not amongst the least or the most unimportant. If he thought the measure had any chance of being final and satisfactory, he would not object to an advance from the treasury to procure that result; but when he did nct anticipate that the measure would be at tended with success he objected to giving the public money to any such purpose as was proposed under the clause of this Bill, which provided for an advance of money. He believed that the Hon. Member would not object to this advance of mon , 7, if he thought that it was calculated to heal those wounds that had so long been bleeding. But it was evident that the Bill would have no such effect. Even every Hon. Member who supported the Bill admitted that it would have no such effect. He regretted the altered tone which had taken place on the subject of appropriation. What had taken place on that subject was, indeed, a m e l anc h o l y ev i dence o f the way in which a great priLeple was put forward, and after wards abandoned to suit the views of a political party.— (Loud cheers.) He believed that the history of those times would record the abandonment of that principle as the most disgraceful instance of tergiversation upon record in the poli tical annals of the country.—( Cheers. ) Seeing that the pre sent measure placed a groat charge upon the people of this country—seei that it e hilst it digs this it was Lot calculaf-d t to settle the Irish tithe question—seeing that it still left Irish Church Establishment in all its t.nabtited enormity—he felt hound to typos- the further progress this Bill, and Should, on the grounds which hr had express( d, give ins cup port to the antendiiiet , t of the lion. Member for Mayo. Mr. M. J. O'CONNE LL—Alihottgh _agreed in most of the sentiments of the Hon. Membn for Siteln.t , ld, yet, as an Kish representative, and a well-wisher to Ireland, nc Mt justifi..d in voting for the third reading of this Bill ; and he did so on this simple principle, that whilst he believed it would f ffect great temperary , good. no future mischief could pushily r,sult fou it.—( Hear, hear.) He 0,,t nod he was surprisrd at th-. charge of invonsktency launched. not only against her Mij sty's Mini-tern, but against a large hod. of their supporters, on the ground of their having iban doned the tip tropriation princ.ptc And he must complain that his lien. Friend the Member for Kilkenny had not quoted correctly the resolution of 1635. Hi Hn. Friend read the Ivo , ds as if they nut, *4 no !ettleitent can take place ;" whereas, they really were. that "no float and sa tisfactory settlement" could be arrived at which did not in volve the principle of appropriation. Now, did any Mem ber of her Majesty's Gov. rnmcnt, did any Member at this side of the House, or did the Right Hon. Baronet oppo site ( Sir Robert Peel) pretend that the present proposal was meant as a " final and satisfactory" adjustment of this most iinportaqt question? When he heard that question an , wered in the affirmative, he should admit that the charges of incon sistency so freely dealt out against those who, though they supported the appropriation clause, felt bound not to negative the present Bill, were well founded. Hear. ) His Hon. Friend the Member for Mayo ( Mr. D. Browne), knowing, he supposed, that a distinguished foreigner (Marshal Soult) was that ni , sht in their gallery, seemed fired by his presence with unwonted ardour, and insisted that whilst they had the prin ciple of appropriation to fight for, they should never desist, however repulsed from the breach, or however diminished in numbers, until they perished in the attempt. It struck hint. at the time his Hon. Friend was delivering this s:rong ap peal, that the quotation might not unnaturally have occurred to him, " Of the three hundred grant but three To make a new Thermoolm," He did not see that there was anything unmanly in not struggling for a principle which was at present unattainable, nor did he consider it inconsistent with honesty and public spirit to take a measure as good as he could get, because it was not as comprehensive as he could wish.—( Cheers ) There was no use in concealing the fact that such was the ex citement generated by resisting the rational demands of the people, that the appropriation principle, which would have given satisfaction in 1835, would be treated with scorn in 1838. —( Much cheering.) The sentiments expressed at those meetings to which his Hon. Friend referred, were equally con demnatory of this Bill and of the measure which he blamed the Government for having abandoned. Though he did not think the people of England were totally free frem blame in the apathy, or he should perhaps rather say in the religious prejudice which their conduct exhibited on this question, the affirmation of the principle of appropriation was now rendered useless, so far as the demands of the Irish people were concerned. He knew what pains had been taken to disseminate unworthy prejudices in the minds of the English people. Like Scrub in the play, when those who pandered to narrow-minded bigotry, and uttered the cry of " murder" and " thieves," had failed, they raised that of " Popery." There was no doubt that that cry had been raised throughout every part of the country, and the opposite benches testified how well it bad succeeded.—( Hear.) But as he was convinced that the people of England were a rational and thinking people, he had no fear that they would remain permanently wedded to error, but common sense and justice must soon resume that sway which it seemed they now unfortunately did not hold over their minds.—( Hear.) There were two things which tended especially to point out the enor mous injustice of the Irish Established Church ; one was that its revenues were on a scale befitting the Church of a nation, and the other that it was devoted to the service of a minority. And of what minority? Of the ignorant, of the destitute, and of the hard-working classes, who had not the means of supply ing themselves with religious instruction ? No, but of those who incessantly and almost insultingly boasted that they were to a great extent the Aristocracy of the country, that they constituted a majority amongst the squirearchy, th-'t in the magistracy they greatly preponderated, that in the learned professions they had more than their share, and that amongst the merchants, traders, and more comfortable artisans they were also to be found in considerable numbers.—( Hear, hear, hear.) This then was the mino rity as described by themselves for whose exclusive benefit. a Church of extravagant revenues was supported —( Cheers.) He did believe that when the people of England came calmly to reflect on this anomaly, and to consider in what circumstances the other religions in Ireland were placed, this state of things could not long endure.— ( Much cheering.) He was delighted to hear the manly ex pression of sentiment on the religious consequences of the present state of the Irish from the Honourable Baronet (Sir R. Somerville.) He fully participated in the Honourable Baronet's belief as a Protestant that no system could be de vised which would more effectually check the progress of the Protestant religion.—( Hear, hear.) It had been said by the Honourable and Learned Sergeant the Member for Ban don, that the demands of the Clergy fell short of their rights. About a century ago the question of tithe agistment was raised in the Irish Parliament, and he extracted from the journals a few passages which showed how the result of which the Hon. and Learned Sergeant complained was brought about. The first he should refer to was as follows: "December 6, 1735. Petition complaining of the new de mand for agistment tithes referred to a Committee, who, on the 22d December reported that the allegations were proved.' " March 5, 1735 (0. S.) Petition of Samuel Low and others, also referred to a Committee, and, on the 18th March, report made that the petitioners have fully proved the alle gations of their petition to the satisfaction of the Committee, and deserve the strongest assistance the House can give them.' " These and two other resolutions were agreed to, and the fol lowing resolution : " That the commencing suits upon these new demanas must impair the Protestant interest, by driving many useful hands out of this kingdom ; must disable those that remain to support his Majesty's establishment, and occasion Popery and infidelity to gain ground, by the contest that must necessa rily arise between the Clergy and Laity—( Hear, hear) — was carried on a division, 110 voting for it, and only fifty against it. And this resolution was carried by a House of Commons which gave decisive proof of its Protestantism by resolving, on the 16th of December, 1735, nemine con tradicente— _ _ " That an humble address be presented to his Majesty, setting forth that the reversal of the outlawries of persons attainted for treason in the rebellions of 1641 and 1688, or the enabling any of them or their descendants to sue these Protestants who have purchased estates forfeited by those rebels under several Acts of Parliament, will be dangerous to his Majesty's person knd Government, and the succession to his Royal House, and highly prejudicial to the Protestant interest of this kingdom." As the land, however, ceased to be used for grazing, and agriculture advanced, the resistance to tithes increased, arid the incomes of the clergy became proporti .nobly diminished. Even in the provinces in which Protestantism prevailed most, there were so many cases of pluralists, &necurists, over.. paid rectors, and underpaid curates, that he could not abstain from mentioning a sew to the house. The MAI. Gentleman then went through the following list:— " The Rev. Charles Le Poer Trench, rector, Dunleer Union, diocese Armagh. 5311. 17s. lid. Population of Union, Protestants of Established Church, 289 ; komsn Catholics, 4,925 ; Protestant Dissenters, 1. Also rector of Athenrv, diocese Tuam, 902/ 15s. Old. ; Established Church, 170; Roman Catholics, 7,454. Has also two prebends, Pal down, worth 921 3s. 4d. ; 13 illywoulta, 211 3s. Id. Nen - resident in both benefices, being vicar-general of Clot,fert, where he lives ; has a curate ?It each benefice, and pays each 69/. 4s. 7id. " Reverend Charles Cobbs Beresforel, rector of Turmon M'Guiske, diocese of Armagh, 1,2671. 6s. 101 d. ; Esta blished Church, 1,722 ; Roman Catholics, 8.249 ; Presby terians, 941 ; parish contains 41.000 acres. Rectory of Kul lesher, diocese of Kilmore, 1,2111. 3s. 10d. ; Established Church, 2,457; Roman Catholics, 2 641 ; contains 21,000 acres. Two curates in Turmon M`Guiske, 75/. e ; one i n Killesher (where rector does not reside) 83/. Is. bid. " Rev. William Athill, Rector of Findouigh, diocese of Clogher, 828/. 6s. 11d. ; Established Church, 3,519 ; Ro man Catholics, 7,064 ; Presbyterians, 1,400. Also Rector of Magheracalmoney, same diocese, 5751. 153. WO. ; Esta blished Church, 3,586; Roman Catholics, 3 298. Resides in latter parish and has one curate at 801. ; in Fitelonagh one curate at 60/. a year, and 40 acres of land rent free." The Hon. Gentleman then proceeded to state that resis tance to tithes was not confined to the Roman Catholic districts of Ireland, but had extended to the Presbytciisn and Protestant North, in proof of svhich it was only neces sary for him to direct the sttention of the house to the fol lowing case, which had lately appeared in the newspapers : " TITHES l TITHES l TITHES " The Rev. Richard Jones Hobson v. Patrick Agnew, Esq., and others. " Mr. Joy, for the plaintiff. moved for liberty to substitute service of subpcena on the defendants in this cause. The ep plication was grounded on two affidavits, one of which was made by the plaintiff's attorney, at the other by a process server. The attorney of the plaintiff stated in his affidavit, that he was employed by the plaintiff to file a bill against the defendants for recovery of tithe composition, due by them out of the parish of Karryglinn, in the county of Antiim ; that he accordingly did so, and having issued subpeenia to appear and answer, applied to a processs-server to swig them. He offered him a much larger sum for doing so than he was in the habit of paying, but he declined to undertake the busi ness from a fear of the results. He subs( quently applied to several other persons, but they all declined to serve the subpeana3. The process-server stated in his affidavit that although he lived in the parish, was acqnainted with th-, defendants, and knew where they resided, he would cot at tempt to serve them. He was apprehensive, if be did so, that his house would be burned over his head. He further stated that for several years the inhabitants of the parish, trot only by passive resistance, but by open violence, had resisted the pay ment 'of tithes; and he heard that a process-server had been killed while attempting to serve subticenas in the parish. It further appeared, from the statement of counsel. that personal service has been effected on the principal defendant, and that the defendants who could not be served owed only very small sums to the plaintiff. " Baron Itichar&—How many defendants arc to be served? " Mr. Joy—l believe about fifty-four, my Lord. " Baron Richards—Take the usual order to substitute ser vice, and also a writ of assistance. Joy—My Lad, - vie lavur infer a great diflicu!ty this case, for we swear that there is no place of worship in the= and therefore there is no p!a , e to post the notices. The e:fly pl , en Where the subpce•;ll ceuid b posted is on the place of worslAp in the neighbouring parish. Baron Riehards—Cannot ihose notices be posted on lb:, rt , tidences of the defendnnts? Joy--1 fear, my Lord, that such a proceeding would bo attended with great danger and difficulty. ".Baron Richards—Ascertain for me where copies of the. std - Imanas can be posted, for tha defendants should have notice. " Mr. Joy—Theve rneetivg-house in the n. xt I);:rif.b, perlul,s !hat will do. Biron Richards—l rather th - ok th<: defendants do not go th, re. " Mr. Joy—l believe they (le:, they chiefly Pres bytriia,s." He felt satisfied that nese facts. s h-n they came to be known, 0 cell.] p-oduee an impression (in the fululls of the Vropln of En:.land, and enlist their feeliovs or fair pia. in favour of the claims of the Irish nation to a reform of these enormout ael crying abuses.—( Hear, hear.) It might be asked what remedy could be devised for these evils ? The Roman Cae tho!ic tot mbers of the House we re often taunted for wish - ieg 111.3 Chureb to which th y belonged to share in the emoluments of the Prote,tant Church Establishment. As a member a.f the Roman Cath lie Church himself he beggad distinctly to state that there was nothing to wisich he sle : u!d so at rengly object as to see that Church placed in the ieviciietias position of d riving its sui port from a State provision.--( Hear, hear.) 11, , wished it to be understood that the Roman Ca tholics of Ireland repudiated any connection whatever between the Chinch to which they belonged and the State.—( Hear, hear.) Then came the question of whether there ounht to b• , aav opprapria ion of the funds of the Protestant Este ashed Church other than that which was now made. For his own part he was decidedly in favour of what was called the voluntary principle ; but et the same time he was strongly of opinion that if a portion of the enormous revenues of the Establishcfl Church acre applied to purposes of gene ral edua cation in Ireland, agitation in that country would cease, ane religious trauquii:2tY vere done, he was satisfied that the dayt something of that kind : be the first time established. Unless of the Established Church Ireland would be numbered. Sir R. PEEL rose, and sato:,—Sir. it appears to me that the question we are now called on to cliscilgs is this—whethet we ought to vote for the third reading D.' this Bill, or whether we should now consent to the amendmen: proposed by the Hon. Member for Mayo? That amendment p,:oposea to post pone the Bill for the period of six months, and tass is, in my mind, tantamount to a declaration that the attempt that has been made for the settlement of the tithe question has altoge ther failed, and that there is no prospect whatever of our com ing to an agreement upon any satisfactory principle upon which the future settlement of the tithe question can be made. This t a ii p e pe ti ar o s us t e o , m an e d to ol b e e p t r h o e p e t i c o t o n w f dm by adopting that amendment.—(Hear.) Now, then, Sir, the ahich th m is en Hou e s n e t wporeuplaosaeffid affirm Bill before the House contains two enactments, in both 0 1 which I concur.—( Hear.) In the first place, I fully concur in the future conversion of the tithe into a rent charge. In the next place I fully concur in the transfer of the pecuniary burden of tithe from the occupiers, who in general are Romer , Catholics, to the proprietors and landlords, who in general ars of the Protestant persuasion.—( lear.) I concur also-- and concur most fully—in that enactment of the present Bill which sets at rest—and sets at rest for ever—the whole ques tion of arrears ; and so far as the operation of the Bill concerned, I think that setting aside the question of arrears which might remain as an element of discontent, is in itself a very great advantage.—( Hear. hear.) Entertaining, thee, those opinions with respect to the present Bill, I find it impos sible to assent to the proposition of the Hon. Member for Mayo that we should now reject thi s Bill. N ow , l e t me ask the House, if we consented u, take that course what would be the consequence? Why, this—if we rejected this Bill we should leave the Tithe question not only in the state in which it has been for the last five years, but in even a far worse state ; for, after the declaration of Parliament, rejecting this Bill, you would altogether exclude the prospect of any satisfactory set tlement of the question whatever. With reapect to the prin.. ciple of appropriation, about which so much has been said this evening, I shall say nothing whatever upon that sztbject.--• ( Cheers.) I will merely say of that principle that have always thought, and still think, its adoption in any Legishail° measure was in every way calculated to prevent a practical set' tlement of this question. You tell me that the appropriation principle would be rejected by the people of Ireland now as worse than useless, and I ask you to say would that principle which you tell me now would be rejected, have been just t h r ee , years ago ?—( Cheers.) I cannot understand those who say--• who express themselves anxious for a settlement of this quell; tion, and yet propose to reject this Bill. I cannot understand public men who say that they will support this Bill because they hope that it will increase the evils of the Church. I think it would be better for the Noble Lord to resist the measure alto* gether than support it on the ground that it was calculated to accumulate the evils of the Church. Neither cast I understand the course promised by the Hon. Member for Drogheda. That Hon. Membersays, " You may;pass this Bill, and I, as a Mew' ber of the Established Church will not originate any subse quent agitation ; but if my poorer neighbours shall think fit to renew agitation they shall have my co-operation." I " 13 understand his scruples as a member of the Establisned Church against the commencement of agitation, but I cannot under stand his feelings when be says that if persons, influenced by motives in which he has no participation, shall commence agi' tation, he will not only not lend his assistance in quelling that agitation, but that it shall have his co-operation.--( Heir , hear.) Sir, this Bill, which we are now called on to read for the third time, included three enactments—first, that Irish t;thes shall be eonverted into a rent-charge, this enactment to be applied universally, wherever the case may require it; secon dly, the arrears of the million are to b e rem itt e d ; an d, t hirdly, it deals with the existi ng ar rears, whi c h ar e not covere d by the million, and provides that a grant shall be made by Parliament of three hundred th ou sand pound s , by w hi c h gran t t h a t clan of arrears shall b e a lt oge th e r ex ti ngu i s h e d. C oncurr i n g as do so much i n some parts o f t hi s Bill, an d d eep l y anx i o us al l I am to see thi s sess i on c l ose w i t h some success f u l attemP t at the adju s t ment o f t i t h es on j ust pr i nc i p l es — t h e prin ciples of relieving the occupying tenant, and transfer: ring the charge to the landlords of Ireland—no opposition I could give to a single clause would induce me, on the whole , to give my assent to the third reading. I think, as I said be fore-4 think it would amount to a Parliamentary declare' tion that, after five years of anxious consideration, the 41 64 : ment of Irish tithes was found to be impracti ca bl e ; and se e " attempts for the recovery of tithes must be immediate% re' newed, as all hope of assistance from Parliament was hope" less.—( Hear, hear.) In my opinion also the evil would b e greatly aggravated by the late approximation of opposing parties, and the failure of their united efforts. For thee reasons nothing hut the strongest objections to individual per' tion, at this late period, would induce me to abandon the hop s of seeing this Bill become law. I think, however, that at this advanced period of the Session, it is better for me to state once the course I intend to pursue with reference to a part'' maim- enactment of the Bill. The enactment to which I re fer is that which which provides that on the grant of 300,0 0 ; being made all claims for arrears of tithes on the occuPYi e "' tenant, shall cease. Si nce t hi s Bi ll was f i rst introde eee- important modifications have been made, the first and mesi, important of which, i n my op i n i on, i s, t h at w hil st el claim on the instalments have been relinquished, and the occupying tenantry relieved from all obligation to pay the ate ears, I think that the provision was founded in justice and I cordially rejoice to see it incorporated in the Bill. An' other modification has been introduced into the enactrnen g which relates to the existing arrears. At first the compens 2 ; ti ea gr an t e d was : on l y intende to be in lieu of Ile arrea rs which have occurred withi n th e l as t two years. I d ec id e dly o bjected to that proposition, as I thought it. most unjust that Parliame° should interfere to prevent those to whom the arrears were due for the first four years receiving any compensation ; I believe the Bill has been altered so as not to exclude that class of claimants from corn' ensation.—( Hear, hear.) I do not say that th e y are to re ce iv e an equ • l compausation ,„ those of the last t wo years , hut a proportionate one for the 0.- rears they are called on to abandon. By this meat' lb: rights of no parties, wh o s e clahns are to be extinguished b 7 the Leei,lature, will h e ca ll e d on to a b an d on those rights wit h ,: out a; least s ome compensation. The state of the law will the be this —that all those eche ghave commenced suits for the re' covcry of tithes beta re the 16th of Juiy lest still have the or Lion of continuing their law proceed:nes. With them the re shall be no interference ; but if they think fit to do so csithou, psyrreet of costs, they shall be cniitled to their share of th e compensation intended by the Bill. I apprehend that is th e ca rraoe.ts,pta ie e c cet:tno: tght. conruction. The violence thus done, when it is done' is in that class of arresr not covered by previous advances ou; of the million, and in which the parties have not institute' suits for recovery. Now I act bound to state and to maintain rny opinion with respect to this. After my best consider s ' tion, I think that my proposal was the best in every ma nce; I think . the props 11 that gave an option to parties to fiCe e l " S t ti ' ll e e ° r%l, uside thoughtby G fit,ovrninent, or to enforce the law in cafe: I think that proposal protected a gre"; b p , r; e t n icip at li o , p a te a d d .. w a( s every Way Letter than the course which h a i Hear, hear ) At the same time that heave t tken the sense of the House fairly on the subject, 1 " 1 c . dove all I could to enforce me proposal by repeated arg urner'' but I have been overruled by Ilenourable Gentlemen epPn; sate, nor I have I the aliehte•t reason to balieve that, if I w e , again to 1 repose it, I should meet with any better s uenel, Supeosirg th e ()titian 1 priaciele, then, defeated, I ceiti ll , l ! wish that Government, in adle rence to their own prineiP;; C(7 n ; t h, e orii s ett l : y al: would adopt a course like this, that if they are determined ~1 apply compulsion, and to deprive parties of their l e gal f e '" l , e he a r: e t : ak a: rt e . t r ? h , t i the e s v t a l e i a m n e n e is f ou u uti l: n l p i : c. n os e ef amountitt is r y l o t ac i f r n ur g re a it r ar r e st e ° , :r ot s ? ire e r i l s e: :it a n l yt t li: g n t hi'lvlcegcbu cr u ic `ir, I bare taken t i l s ie l b 'e a c s e t s m " ::a y ns • to w a.' h ee ` itli° the uaanirney with the cpiniens of to n right &chi , r _ an on this subject, and I now clcclare, in Pt r t ‘ t lt f from tits many conflietiag jude and h t ' ll-5 - ficu/te tr.enta t r, , 1 -4 c: the allele question, ie tea within m m y ,jsti reach to co—,. f,cs respoesibility of rejecting altogather th e p a the veromcrit,—(ll ear. s e a ant props t i t r h ( a ll ad in hith .rto made from the th' t v f ftn•ther sutra of 300,0001 .etument Mei°l3t''rtakne"wilinha _s all he rentittod, grad „:„, gi, i ng same eempensacciih.n shallito be g f raetFd . for the cl. p , u.p suppose I rejected th ff course Go- • ; i ttst t of the instalments already paid. They might say, , f tr' • • re:lrs ant to be enforced, belie nfutced, why not the inatalments ? I " e ,,.a. it ; lit be core peseet to us. by uniting with such 1 111,,,, unposite as entertained principles very differ mine, who object on • • 1 lt" .- princip.e to any grant on this gut j oy. , I dare to say, I taat, oy uniting with them, I might 1 ,0 " de , have excluded the claue, and by decidin; it should have foe_ ten :iced that under no circumstances whatever should 11t !,,,ef.. azataseee elf tile Treastir- -d TOY tr:ttler_evit o'f :an e te)rettnxi r,it a le c ,}. rrt r ye,, ,as!, iroi;