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• • S PI 111 T OF THE PUBLIC .1(..).13E.NA.V xn to tile It is glrently 1; circulnr liafi 'won isst tne Morse of Com: ►'Tl]?:stcri 31 tO Ca:!..) Of ti103f... 7 -1 : 1 el - 'bus of Is who s::pf ort, the m easures of Government, iovitine; them to a (Tate:, with the Secretary of State for the ;Tonne Dep noinent, this day, at the•l?orten-ofEee. The object - of this proceed:llg is to i-ee the reforming portion of the re peeseotatoves of the people en o ppornmity of Imeoring and offering their opioion upon a proposition Kiel: Lord John Russell moans to submit to their consi (7:crating, in rieTaitl to the mutilations which the Irish Tifooicipal - Reform Bill scig ereci in the House of Loyds. From whit has alretnie been declared in the er Hotter,. by Lords Lensdc.,vne awl Holland, and in thoe Commons by the Home Secretary, it must be evident that neither Lord John Russell nor the other litirembes( of the Cabinet have the remotest iotention of coucedimn the principle, that Ireland is entitled to and roust obtaio, sooner or later, the benefit of corporate crovernmcnt in a reformed plan. Such a co:lces ,. sion to the spirit of faction would be an abandon ment of honour, integrity, and sound policy, which not even their bitterest enemies would really expect. however unscrupulowly they may talk, at die hands of the _lsdministration: Ey what means Ministers hope to achieve their twofold purpose, of maintaining their pr i nc iple, nod yet avoiding a collision, we are not as vet enabled to statc with positiveneSs. Various ru mours are, as usual, in circulation. That which pre vails in well-informed circles attributes to Government an intention of proposing a compromise, by means of which, withont swerving from the principle of the Bili as passed Lty the House of Commons, another opportunity maybe afforded the House of peers of revising, as it were, their judgment, and reversing their most unjust and mischievous decree. Lord John Russell's proposition, it is said, will be, that the Com mons; should - amend the " amend:l-lents," and intro duce clauses preserving and reforming the •Altlni-. eipal system in all the cities and tared: • toWns ip Ireland. Whether• this; proposition-should • it the one.which Lord John 'Rqa'sell means .to lay _before 1 . 116 meeting of Members of Parliament this day—be judi cious, or whether the Commons will sanction it, or whether the Peers are as yet sufficiently sensible of the perilous path into which, following their new Men tor, Baron Lyndhurst, they have plunged, or finally, whether the nation would acquiesce in such a compro mise, were the terms assented to by both branches of the Legislature—these are topics for future considera tion. It may be as prudent, therefore, to suspend all judgment till we know what course Ministers have ac tually chalked out to themselves in the present critical circumstances of the country. In the meantime we may mention, that a large meeting of Tory Peers has been held at Lord Harrowdev's, at which the pro priety of flinging Lord Lyndhurst's pernicious coun sel to the winds, and meeting the Commons half way in the path of conciliation, was discussed, and, as we have heard, unanimously resolved uport This report gathers credibility from the obvious fact, that those Members of the House of Lords who possess property, and are therefore interested in the peace and prosperity of the empire, must—however strong their Toryism, and however violent their hostility to Ire land—feel alarmed when the subsidence of passion allows the exercise of reason, at following; headlong in the train of a reckless adventurer , fo r whom peace has no blessings, and to whom convulsion might open a way to aggrandizement. Without, however, offering any opinion as to the propriety of a compromise, we trust that whatever the number of towns to whieli cor porations shall be given, the class of mischievous func tionaries for whom such tender regard has been shown by Lord Lyndhurst, under the guidance of the active Town-Clerk of Cork, will -no longer be anywhere per petuated, to the oppression and injury of the inhabi tants.—Morning Chronicle. When we stated a short time since that money had become a scarce commodity in the coffers of the Con servative party, we did not suppose that a few days would cite& us -to exhibit a practical illustration of the truth of our statement. We are, however, in pos session, at thie moment, of facts which not only confirm the accuracy of our previous conjecture, but also lead us to the conviction that it will be difficult, if not im possible, to remedy the existing deficiency. The total exhaustion of the Conservative treasury has driven the managers of that most unconstitutional stock-purse to an expedient which practice has made as familiar to them as it is odious and onerous to those who are its victims—in a word, a whip has been ad dressed, in the usual form of a Carlton circular, to certain wealthy adherents of the faction, calling, in terms the most instant and urgent, for pecuniary assistance, as the greater portion of the persons who were to be subjected' to this periodical bleeding were at the moment in town. The answers to the application are, in many instances, already received, and arc, gene rally speaking, unfavourable. We shall select, for the edification of the uninitiated, a few of the more remark able cases, sufficient to justify the remark, that an ex traordinary re-action has taken place in what was very recently the head-quarters and the treasury of Toryism. The circular begginer-letter was addressed, among others, to a young Nobleman of the highest rank — the bilerality of the Nobleman alluded to, as well as his devotion to the cause, had, upon a former occa sion, been sig testified by the extraordinary do nation of twenty thousand pounds in a single cheque --to the Feeiqal)!dieatioa his Grace bas given a mt .., gativc, the increase of his family as a pruden tial reason for what the begging-letter writers call hi unseasonable and shabby economy. Again, anothes application was made to a young Nobleotan of a very high, but not the highest class. The coursse pursuea r by this salon of aristocracy upon a former emefgency was so oriejnally and prodigally generous, that a refuqa: at this moment could never have entered into the calcolation of the applicants. To the first call, made a few mooths since, his Lordship responded by sending a cheque on his hankers, to which his name was affixed, hut the sum was left in blank, to be filled up at the discretion of the Finance Committee of the Carlton Club ; and when that wily clique declined the responsibility of fillip , up the blank, and req-oested his Lordship to fix the amount of his own donations, the cheque was re-enclosed, g.:vin^ them a credit for four thousand pounds Will be believed that a partisan so liberal and so enthusiastic c ould in a few paltry months he so completely metrunorphoeed as to- return a (h.ect 112ga , tive to the pre:;ent more pr._!ssing aOplicatimi—and vat such is tile melancholv fact—the Marquis now gives— his good wishes. tVt; shah not at preent stances which unanswerably prove eltho . that the re sonrees of the faction are exhausted, cr tiiot the zeal of their leaders has cvaporeted—we would rather hope that the reluctance exhibited upon the present occasion is time result of the progress of juster views and a mote accurate estimate of the real state of conflicting opi ne instances we have se!ected, , althong,ll the most remarkable, are by no means the only indications of Tory defections in high places. For Oil: moment we have said enough to show the notorious Finance Com mittee of Pall-mall that their inanceuvres are neither so secret as they suppose, nor their success so signal as to excite much apprehension. --Morn i ng Advertiser. This day is biz with die fate of the House of Lords; and yet, strange, to say, we believe th eir Lordshi p s are a,,-; composedly attenaing to their ordinary ;vocations as if nothing very awful resoecting their future autho rity in tins realm were about to take place. This day Lord John Rues ell is to call around him that sagacious and moderate body of of oliticians—the Radica l Mem bers of th e H ouse . (Commons, to confer •?vith them upon the course to be taken regarding. the asne::d unents of th e H ouse o f L or d s i n thelrish';':orporations 1111. If, when it comes to the point, these considerate and liberal legislators—liberal we may call them, for th e y would willingly take upon themselves all the labour cof legislating for, and governing this country—if even r i ow their valour and their indignation he as great as • ever, respecting the House of Lords, what thunder may wie not expect from this consultation? We can easily imp gine t h e we ight of argument, an d t h e fi re o f e eloq ucnce with which these sages will be prepared to s,tiow the presumption of time Peers in venturing to judge for themselves—in not adopting, with tine deference, the mature decisions of legislators so practise, I and so profound as the Radical Members of the Hou. se of Commons. What are . the Peers, that they shou 41 presume to exercise their understanding mcns. „5414 ,.. •_ ,_ ~,.. %A L ~.....1 . ii711b471.;.."...,itNi01tb. t,l 1 , an:l if they- do venture to use such a privilege, wherefore should they dare to act in conformity with that which their under standinss dictate ? Wily should they not give way to p er sons so much better educated: or legislation—SO much more familiar ‘vith imstory and pmrisprudence—so care fully selected for the oflice of legislators on account of their superior knowledge and undoubted integrity ? I' is to be presumed fast, upon such grounds as these, the Radical Member.; of the House-of Commons think , , . themselves ent.tieu to call in question, not merely the amendments of the Locds to die Municipal Bill—for their right to do that no one disputes ; but the propriety of their Lordships, according to time present constitution of their House, tieing allowl to make amendments at all, or to do any:hing except aoree to what the Commons have determined upon. iNlow, we appre hend that no rational creature, after having calmly omsid'ered for a little while the • respective claims of their Lordships, • and of the Radical Members of the Honss of Commons, to respect and confidence, as framers of laws, can choose but smile at the comical extravagance of the notion that the claims of the latter arc paramount. We do not mean to say that all the Members of the House of Lords are wise men—far, from it ; but we do ceroinly do mean to say, and we appeal to the common sense of the people of England, in -perfect confidence that it will deesle with us—we do say that, for knowledge, independence, justice, and regard for the people and their liberties, the Peers arc, as a body of legislators, a thousand times more to be' prized and trusted than the Radical Members of the House of Commons. We speak within bounds when we venture to say that a more despotic body of men, exercising power, has not existed in this coun try since the Star Chamber •wes abolished than the Radical Members of the House of Commons. What cruelty has been submitted to them in the shape of legislation that they have not sanctioned ? .Who :are first in their suggestions, and most - eager in' their de= moods for the exerciseoof the authority of tine' House :of Commons, to thrust people into Newgate.who have had -no opportunity of making a defence ? .Who arc • ;fie most ready for the confiscation of rights and privi leges ;Ton evidence which has never been sifted, and which at best is but common assertion, not having been taken on oath ? Who was it that last year ordered a man's house to be entered, and his papers to be seized and brought before them, without asking his leave or prov ing him guilty of any offence ? The Radical Members of the House of Commons have done these things, and yet, forsooth, out of their superior love of liberty and of the people, they are to take upon 'themselves an authority which they deny to the House of Lords ! We need not inquire into their education—their habits of deliberate investigation—their love of the constitution—the independence and integrity by which they have obtained seats in the House of Commons. There is no need of such an inquiry as that :—circum spice ! Look at the O'Connell tail—the illustrious thirty-nine ! What thirty-nine Members of the House of Peers can compare with them for erudition, inde pendence, freedom in themselves, and determination to obtain it for others? All the O'Connells are, of course, equally profound and polished—equally superior to any similar number of hereditary legislators in the Upper House, for whose legislatorial privileges no more becoming illustration can be found than that of the absurdity of "hereditary tailors !” There may be some who doubt their superiority, but evidently they think so themselves, or the head of the family thinks so, and that is enough. We cold and ignorant Saxons are not to be presumed capable of understanding the true nothingness of our hereditary Nobility—the O'Con nells must be suffered to judge for us. But to return to the meeting of to-day. Lord John Russell, we apprehend, will be not unwilling to descend several steps from the altitude of defiance to. the House of Lords, which he ventured upon in the latter part of his speech, when their amendments came down to the House of Commons. He will, we venture to prophesy, hark back upon the first part of that speech, and pro pose that, with the amendments of the Duke of Rich mond, which hitherto their Lordships have rejected, the alteratio'ns of the House of Peers should be agreed to ; but he trembles lest his Radical friends, who are burning with zeal to destroy the House of Lords, nay not agree to this ; and we believe that much exertion has been used within these few days to calm their perturbed spirits. Such a man is Mr. O'Connell, that we should not be at all surprised if, at the meeting to-day, he were to take the cause of the Minister in hand, and be the most earnest in per suasion to his fellow Radicals to adopt a conciliatory course with respect to the House of Lords.. He is sharp enough to see that the attempt to get up a crisis has been a failure.—Morning Herald. I r% ' . S Usti OFFICE, Seven o' Clock. THE LONDON GAZE rrE THIS EVENING. WHITEHALL, JUNE 6. The King hal butt pleased to appoint the Right Hon. William George Earl of Erroll, K.T., to be Lieutenant and Sheriff Prin cipal of the Shire of Aberdeen, in the room of George Mike of Gordon, deceased. WAR OFFICE, JusE 6. Scots Fusileer Gnards—Ge net al George James Earl Ludlow, G.C.8., from the 38th Foot, to be Colonel, vice General the Duke of Gordon, decaued ; Map 30. _ 38th Foet—Major-Gen. lion. Sir C. J. Greville, K.C.8., from the 98th Foot, to be Co'o.wl, vice General E. Ludlow, appointed to the command of the Scots Fusilier Guards. May 30. 98th Foot—Major-General J. 11 , :ss to be Colonel, vice Major- General Sir C. J. Grevile, appointed to the command of the 38th Foot, May 30. Commission by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Southampton. The Right Hon. William Hopetoun Earl of Northesk to be De puty-Lieutenant, May 25, Commission by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Salop. .Moses George Benson, Esq. , to be Depu t y -Lieutenant. Feb. 15. C m ,:missions by the Lord Licuternnt of t!le County of Surrey. Surr.-y '2.egitnent of Yeomanry Cavalry—Cornet G. F. Farmer be Lieutenan!': vice Trower, resigned ; H. De Crespigny, Gent., to be Cornet, vice i';.:lmer, promoted, May 24. DECLARATION S OF INSOLVENCY. FRANCIS' SHAW, master martne:. Eltham, Kent. JOHN GIItLING, mil!er, Henloy, Sun.9lk. BANKRUPTCIES SUPERSELZD. • JAMES CAR'rElt, builder, Paddington-green. WILLIAM ARCHER, merchant, Hertford. BANKRUPTS. ERNEST RAPALLO, merchant, Walnut Tree-walk. Lam beth, to surrender June 14, at half-past twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Green, Basinghall-street, London ; Turquand, Cop otiiwinl assignee. - JOHN HARWOOD, grocer, Chatham. Jane 17, and July 19, at elerrn, the Court of Bankruptcy. Green, Ahlermanbury, ,tiVA assignee ; Graham, Mitre-court Chambers, JIM r.S; WALTON, victualler, Renaitch, Worc.-ster,ldre, June 13, and July 19, at one, at Radenhurst's New Royal noel, New street, Binninlham. Gatty, Red Lion-square, London ; Cress well. New Ilall-street, CHARLES JAMES BERRIE, gro.'er, Tarawortli, June 21, and July 19, at thy: Swan lon, Lichfield. flicks and Braikenridrge, Bartlett's-buildings, Hull:will Neville, Tamworth. COURSE OF EXCHANGE.—(TIIIS DAY.) A.terd:ffil l'.!'. 1'.2 G}.' l Leghorn S - i) , lto, at siht g SS Pvth. Aiwa "Wit. 1•2 (Iy., Milan_ „,,, , t 1 Antwerp l'2 5 V. - tire....... Hi.nkitg ALL. 13 14 `::tplei Nit 393 P 16', 3 tia . ,' ,ight '') 1:0 1.1.1.0 n ... Ditto ....... .............. '2 Us '2s 9! !Oporto ............ 411 petuz. 1.2 Mar,2llle3 Frankfort of 4 Maim?, Ex. Al. I:i4 nallid. Pdterslinigh, ruble 'I Us. In 0 Buenos k)res - - Berlin Vienna, effect, e 1t..... 2M.hi 12 Coil 154 Triest.? ditto 11»2 1 Madr l, l "(j • l'11.1('E 01' BULLION, l'Ell 07. Cidiz., 174. i Portugal Gold, coin Li) 0 0 flilliol ..... Ravel:ma "AN New 1)collilonais S•nrilic • ,(14, I New 1 )011ars I...ihraltar vair • ,*.• AE SUN, LON N DUBTIN STEAM PACKET COMPANY. Mr. WALLACE presented a petition from Holy11.!.;d, ( is we understood) f L gainst this Bill. ABERDEEN SCHOOL'. Mr. BANNERMAN brought up the port of the Corn roittee on this Bill. It was his i tenticn t r make a motion on tbe subject of this Bill ; but as he did not see the Right Hon. Gentleman (Sir G. Clark) in his place, he would defer his mot on till Monday. On the motion of Sir J. Y. BULLER, the Newto.t Ab')ott Improvement Bill was read a third time and pas 3: d. On the motion of ihe s ame HoN. MEMBER, the Bradf,,rd Estate Bill was read a first time. Mr. VIVIAN moved the third reading of the Aberavon Harbour Bill. Read a third tim' and passed. On the motion of Lord FRANCIS EGERTON, the Com mittee on the Liverpool Dock Bill, obtained an extension of tl.e time to make their report. Sir J. R. REID presented a petition from Dover, corn p'aiaing of the charges on Police Insurances. IRISH MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS. Sir ROBERT BATE SON had a petition to present-from a large portion of the respectable inhabitants of the city of Londonderry and its vicinity, praying that House to pass the Irish Municipal Bill as amended by the Lords.—( Hear.) That:was not one of the hue and-cry petitions with which the House had been inundated for some time past. in accor dance with the orders issued from the Secretary or Adjutant general at the head-quarters of agitation in Dublin. The petitioners were deeply impressed with the noble and spirited conduct of the House of Lords, and expressed their conviction that the House of Peers was the best protection against the efforts of evil and designing men, to subvert the third estate of the realm. The SPEAKER hope I the Hon. Vember was not going to read all the petition. Sir R. BATE SON would merely read its prayer, which was that the House would accept the Bill as amended by the Lords, and thereby restore peace to that too much distracted country. The petition was signed by 600 of the most re spectable inhabitants. Sir ROBERT FERGUSSON had a petition to present from the same place. It was agreed to at a public meeting, over which the Mayor presided. The petitioners complained f the manner in which the Irish Municipal Bill hat been treated by the House of Lords—(Hear, hear)—and prayed that no measure of Corporate Reform would receive the sanc tion of that House which did not place, the Irish people, on, the saute footing as the 'other parts of the empire. Mr. S. CRAWFORD presented petitions from Ballemeea, in the county of Antrim ; Cookstown, in the county of Ty rone; Seapatrick and Aghadea,: .iu thQ ‘ .county -of. Down; and Drumcree, in the county of Armagh. These are from the most Protestant parts of Ulster, and pray for Municipal Reform on the same principles as England and Scotland, and state generally that the refusal of such Reform would be an infraction of the articles of the Union, and would prove the necessity for its repeal. Also petitions to the same effect from Raheen, in Queen's County, and Mosstown. Mr. STRUTT presented a petition from the Town Council of Derby, stating that they could not employ terms strong enough in praying the House to reject the Irish Corporation Bill as sent down by the [louse of Lords; one to the same effect from 2,000 inhabitants of Derby, and one to the same effect from Loughborough. Mr. GILLON presented a petition from a place in Lin __ _ _ _ lithgowshire, to the same effeci. The LORD-ADVOCATE presented a petition from - the borough of Castledouglass, in Scotland, against the Lords' amendments to the Irish Municipal Bill. The Hon. Member said the people of Ireland ought never to rest content until they were put on an equal footing with every other portion of the empire. Mr. H UME presented a petition, most numerously signed, to the same effect. Sir G. SINCLAIR wished to know the prayer of these petitions. He thought it important to ascertain whether they called upon that House to reject the Lords' amendments alto gether, or whether they prayed for the adoption of any other measure, such, for instance, as that of the Duke of Richmond, which proposed to give corporations to some of the large towns. The SPEAKER called the Hon. Member to order. Sir G. SINCLAIR again rose to give notice, when be was again called to order by The SPEAKER, who said it was competent for the Hon. Member to move that the petitions be read ; but it was irregu lar at that period to give notice of any motion. Mr. HUTT presented a petition from HUH against the Lords' amendments to the Irish Municipal Bill. Mr. R. WALKER presented a petition from Bury on the same subject. I M PERIAL PARLIAMENT, HOUSE OF COMMONS. GREAT NORTII OF ENGLAND RAILWAY, Mr. W. DUNCOM BE presented a petition from some place in „4 7 , 2 county of York in favour of this Railway. _second time. • On the m,,: °n of Mr. BELL, th e E ar l o f Ab ergavenny ' s ‘: AND -., Ecstaotewß_cillAwN•ayssreEttyn " - this Bill was r teKTONBURN ROAD. On the motion of the same HOB , YEMBER , read a third time and p - issed. The same floN. NlEmnEn . presented a petition agriir,st London and Croydon Railway. MANCHESTER AND SALFORD CANAL. Mr. M. PHILLIPS brought up the Report of the Com mittee on this Bill. NEWPORT (MONMOUTH) HARBOUR. On the motion of the same Hos. MEMBER this Bill was real a third time and passed. LIVERPOOL DOCKS. Mr. M. PHILLIPS also presented a petition from certain merchants, traders, and others, engaged in the coasting trade, complaining of the rate of dues levied by the Liverpool Dock Company. CIIURCH RATES. Mr. DIVETT presented a petition from the parish of St. Mary, in Devonshire, praying for the abolition of Church rates. Mr. H. FLEETWOOD presented a similar petition from Preston. Mr. HUTT presented a similar petition from Hull. SEE OF DURHAM. Mr. C. RIPON presented a petition from Gateshead, pray ing that the surplus revenues of the See of Durham might be applied to filo purposes of general education. The Hon. Member also presented a petition from Sunderland, praying for the total repeal of the Stamp Duties upon Newspapers. SPIRIT LICENSES. Mr. GILLON presented a petition from Glasgow, praying for the repeal of the Malt Duties Act ; and for an alteration of the Spirit Licenses Act. • PUNISHMENT OF DEATH. Mr. HUTT presented a petition from Hull, praying that in the revision of the Criminal Laws the punishment of death, except in cases of murder, might be abolished. IRISH CORPORATION 1311,11. Mr. E. RUTHVEN presented a petition from Kildare, praying the House not to agree to the Lords' amendmegts of the Irish Municipal Corporations Bill. IRISH TITHES. _ . Mr. H. GRATTAN presented petitions from different places in the counties of Kildare and Meath, praying for the abolition of Tithes, and that the House would not pass any Bill which did not countenance the principle that Ireland was to be governed by the same laws as England. DUTY ON ATTORNIES' CERTIFICATES. Mr. C. FERGUSON presented a petition from the At tornics and Solicitors of Gloucester, praying for a repeal of the duty on their certificates. TURNPIKE TRUSTS CONSOLIDATION BILL. Mr. WILLIAM DUNCOMBE and Mr. HEATHCOTE presented petitions against the Turnpike Trusts Consolidation Bill. Mr. GUEST presented a petition from Merthyr Tydvil, 'against the Lords' Amendments to the Irish Municipal Bill. Mr. HALL preiented a petition from Monmouth, against the Municipal Reform as amended by the House of Lords. ISLAM) OF MALTA. Mr. EWA RT presorted a petition from the Island of Malta, complaining of the want of proper Representatives, and praying that their representation might be based upon the principle on which the English representation was founded. He felt confident that under the present Government no officious intermeddler would intercept justice to that country. The second complaint of the petitioners was, that the Government had restricted the diffusion of education among the inhabita. is of the island, 1.;3 , imposing a tax upon the students of the Uni versity. Such was the social and political condition of that country, but her commerce also had claims upon the attention of that House. The supply of grain to that country had long been a source of Government monopoly, and the institution by which it was directed, was a most uncommercial and unsocial interference with the wants of the people. He trusted that that Honse would give the Maltese merchants, the British merchants, and the people of Malta, the benefit of a free trade. —( Hear, hear, hear.) The petitioners also complained of the quarantine laws which pressed very heavily upon the mer chants frequenting that port, and differed altogether in their details from the quarantine regulations of other colonial ports. He understood from his Hon. Friend below him ( Sir G. Grey), that it was the intention of his Majesty's Government to send out a Commission to enquire into the grievances complained of by the inhabitants. He could only con sent to the issuing of the Commission upon the principle of entire publicity being given to its proceedings, upon the old English principle. Ile hoped that nothing would be done with elnsed doors, otl.erwise no satisfaction would be given to the people of the island. He hoped the Colonial Government would nut hi the mean time suspend those urgent Reforms which were pres.cing—he hoped the Commission would report from time to a.,d that it would be laid on the table of the these. The petition was laid OD the table. Mr. HOLLAND had a petition to the same effect from the merchants connected with the trade of Malta—it was hardly possible to separate the one petition from the other. The prayer of the petitioners had often - been brought before the Government. A petition had been presented only a few Mays ago to the Noble Secretary for the Colonial Govera nient, and had been kindly received. Since he had been in the House, he had been informed that the Government had deter. mined that they would no longer interfere with the Corn trade. That, then, only left the Custom Laws and the Quarantine Laws, which were complained of as great grievances. The Customs gave 9;800/. per annum, leav in g a Oct revenue o f 7,0411 arising from the Customs. The quarantine dues , with this sum', amounted to 11,000/. Th e Re p ort of the Commissi oners ap pointed in 1830 recomm ended a reduction to the amou nt of 15,000/. in Salaries and s o forth. If the p resent Govern ment acted upon that suggestion, This tit n e ntireduced the salaries referred other expenses to this a mount, surely the C ustoms ' might be dispenlcd wit only to the English flag. After the manner in which the sub ject had been taken up by the Hon. Baronet ( Sir G. Grey), h e would not trouble the House further upon the subject. Lord SANDON presented a petition on the subject of th e quarantine duties from Liverpool. Mr. HUME had a similar petition to present, signedbyat individual of the name . of Charles Lienen, who had been Several years resident in the island of M alta, com p lai ning that by some regulation of the island be h ad been prevented f rom opening an English school, and that he had been sub j ect ed 'to imprisonment for opening a schoo l without a license. As Government were about to enquire , he ho p ed they would enquire into this case, and all the other allegations contained in the petition. He hoped that the time would come when i i , -.es of Government, both civil and military, 45 0 41 - ' '''P ulace. .." 4 at the Bar alterations r e a l- P ion; Woula ,pnlv, but was interrupted by S . r GEORGE ORP4 - 7 tvrie Sir AUGUSTUS CLIFFORD, Who . and summoned the Commons to hear the Royal Asseni — aisten to certain Bills, for which see Lord's report. The SPEAKER having returned— Sir GEORGE GRE Y said the Government had promised to send out a Commission to inquire into the matters,corn plained of by the petitioners; and it was their anxious wish that every matter of complaint should be fairly and properly investigated, with a view to ascertain what reductions TUESDAY. JUNE 7, 185'6. could he mad.• in the bucrlens of the people. With respect to the Custain rlutioc, no immediate steps could be taken; but no time dirndl be lost to remedy the evil when his Majesty's Government was in possession of such information as would enable them to act. With respect to the constitution of the Commission, it was the determination of the Government that it should be unobjectionable in every point of view. Major BE A ITCLERK expressed his warm sati-faction at the declaration tint his Majesty's Government were deter mined to remedy the grievances under which the people of the Island of Malta suffered. \\Then he was in that i,land he had seen the inhabitants of that place in a state of starvation, and many of them had died of starvation in consequence of the high price of corn, occasioned by the duties imposed on it, to pay the enormous pensions of those who live upon the industry of the brave and unfortunate islanders. He (Major Beauclerk) would remind the House that it was the brave Maltese who drove the French out of their island, and he hoped they would now evince their gratitude by rendering:them justiee„---( hear. ) NORTH AMERICAN BANKING COMPANY. Mr. ROEBUCK wished to call the attention of the House and the Government to a Bill then before the House, called the North American Banking Company's Bill, in order to ascertai❑ whether it was a public or private Bilk Tt seemed to him to affect in, a very great degree the interests of our North American Colonies. It gave peculiar power to particular individuals, and ought therefore to be called a public Bill. When he (Mr. Roebuck) was about to bring forward-a subject connected with the Colonies, he was request ed to postpone it, on the ground that a Royal Commission had been sent out to inquire into the subject. He wished, therefore, to ask whether or not, in the peculiar position of these persons, Government was prepared to deal equal justice to both parties, and to prevent the interference of a parcel of traders, who were seeking- their own private profits, careless of the interests of the nation, as they had prevented him (Mr. Roebuck) from interfering, although he had been requested to do so by the Colonies. . Sir G. GREY said that the Colonial Department had bcen applied to by certain persons on the subject of such a Bill as that mentioned by the Honourable and Learned Gentle men, but they had refused to give their sanction to such measure. Before this Bill proceeded further, it would be his duty to ascertain what its contents were, and if it were open to the same objections as the former scheme was open to, he would certainly oppose it. LONDON AND CROYDON RAILWAY. On the motion of Major 'BEA UCLERK, the Report nn the London and .c;roydon . .Railway was '.coiisiLlercd; and the Bill ordered - to be read - a third time. - TREMOUTHA HARBOUR AND RAILWAY BILL. The further consideratien of the Report on the Tremouthp, Harbour and Railway Bill was postponed till Tuesday next. TiIE POST-OFFICE. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—Secing the Hon. Member for Greenock about to rise for the purpose of bringing forward his motion relative to the Post-Office, said that it might be convenient for the House to know that it was the intention of his Majesty's Government to introduce one or more Bills in the course of the present Session, founded on the recommendation of the Commissioners of the Post-office inquiry. Those Bills would involve all the questions to which the resolutions proposed by the Hon. Member related, and he therefore put it to the House whether they would allow the subject to be brought before them in the abstract shape of a resolution, when it would be brought before them in the specific shape of a Bill. Under these circumstances, he trusted his Hon. Friend opposite would withdraw his motion. Mr. WALLACE felt himself placed in a most peculiar situation. When Hon. Members had devoted much time and attention to the subject, and whatever his own feelings might be upon the motion, he did not feel himself warranted in depriving those parties of the opportunity of conveying to the country the informationwhich they sought and required. If itwas perfectly un derstood that when those Bills were introduced it was to be an open question, and that he (Mr. Wallace) might enter fully and completely upon all the points embraced in his resolution, then be would be willing, as he ever had been, not to em barrass the Government needlessly.—( Loud cheers.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would not only come to that understanding with the Hon. Member, but he admitted that it was the only just and legitimate mode in which the question should be dealt with. It was with a per fect understanding that every point contained in the resolutions of his Non. Friend might be brought before the House, and that he sho'uld have a full and perfect right to discuss thefr prin ciple on every stage of the measures of the Government. He assured his Hon. Friend there was not the slightest want of courtesy on his part—the real object of his Hon. Friend was not discussion, but remedy. He (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) tendered him the remedy without the discussion, while at the same time there was not a topic raised in the resolution which would not afford him just and legitimate ground for observation. He assured his Hon. Friend it was not his intention to leave him in the dark as to the mea sures of Government, and it was only in consequence of the circumstances to which he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had alluded that he had not conferred with him on the subject. —( Hear, hear.) Mr. WALL ACE had only one word to say. His resolu tions, which stood on the paper for that evening, were ex ceedingly broad and comprehensive, and on" the understanding that all their details were open to discussion, he would now, with the leave of the House, withdraw his motion.—(Loud cheers.) THE PLAGUE. Mr. WAKLE Y had a question to put to the President of the Board of Trade, the pressing nature of which he trusted would excuse him. As he (Mr. Wakley) was leaving the House last night he wrs informed that five persons had died of the plague in Tottenham Court-road.—('Hear, hear, hear.) He (Mr. Wakley) had made enquiry of a medical gentleman in extensive practice, whether he had met with any case of plague, or any case resembling it. That gentleman had replied in the negative, but finding the report was exceedingly prevalent, and that there was a very general degree of alarm, and feeling that the most correct official information should be given on the subject, he had felt it his duty to put the question. He understood that a depu tation had waited upon the Board of Trade on the subject, and therefore he hoped he should be excused for asking whether any official information had reached his Majesty's Government upon the subject, or whether the report was wholly unfounded. Mr. P. THOMSON was very glad the question had been put, because it was obvious that if reports of that nature were circulated, they could not be contradicted too soon, and in an swer to the Hon. Member's question, he had the satisfaction of giving the most unqualified contradiction to the whole of the reports which had been spread through the town.— (Loud cries of " Hear.") He must say that Ire had some right to complain of the quarter from when these rumours had come. On Friday last lif; had heard that the report had ori ginated with a medical man, and it was from that quarter that the entire rumour had originated.—( Hear, hear, hear.) Enquiries were at once made, and a letter was written to a medical gentleman frcm whom it was supposed that the report had originated. The answer to this he had in his hand. It was as follows In reply to your inquiries I have the honour to state that the report as communicated .to me by a medical practitioner last Sunday, which report I men tioned to one house only nn the same day, and not since. It was not that several cases of plague had occurred, but that Mr. Cook, in the house of Messrs. Shoolbrcd and Cook, drapers, and seven of their men, had died after opening a bale of goods, and it was supposed they had died of the plague in the course of the operation. This medical practitioner, knoiv ing that I bad paid considerable attention to the subject whilst resident at Constantinople, thought that the 'report would in terest me, and wished that I would take the pains to inves tigate the particulars of it. This object I was not able to accomplish, owing to other numerous' engagements. — I have the honour to be, &e., &c." Upon receiving this answer, I directed Sir William Pym, the Head of the Board of Health, to proceed to inquire - into the circum stances. He did so, and found that Mr. Cook, the head of the firm, which lie might say was a large warehouse establishment, where bet ween 70 and 80 people were employed, had died on the Ist of May of a brain fever, and since that time, not a single person, out of the whole eighty who were em ployed, was ill, except one young man, who was sufforing from A pulmonary complaint. He must say that it was a just ground of complaint that any persons, above all medical • men, should propagate rumours of this kind with out first stating the fact to the Government. He hoped to be able thus 'publicly to dissipate the alarm which had been created, and at the same time to express his own feel ings, and to say that that it was the duty of every medical man, when he heard a report of so alarming a character as .that mentioned, to inform Government at once upon the subject, in order that the proper steps might be taken to ascertain the truth, and to quiet the public mind, or to take such Precautionary steps as should be deemed neces— sary. As he stated before, a deputation had waited upon him this morning from Tottenham, in considerable alarm, and he understood that in consequence of the report that had been spread abroad, the establishment, of Messrs. Shoobred had suffered considerably, and they expected to suffer more they were wise enough to offer a re ward of 2001 for the discovery of the person who was the original author of the calumny. Mr. WA KLE Y was glad -to hear what had fallen from the Right Hon. Gentleman. He begged, however, to say it was the opinion of nine-tenths of the medical men in the country that the plague was not a contagious disease, and that if it were in this countr yCßlMlN it ought A not tLAWS.o create any alarm. L M r . EWA RT moved for leave to bring in a Bill to repeal the law which admitted the fact of a previous conviction to be given in evidence to the jury in the case before them. Mr. C. FERGUSON thought there could be no harm in allowing the Hon. Gentleman to bring in his Bill. (LEFT SITTING. HOUSE- OF LORDS. The LORD CHWELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack shortly before Five o'Clock. ROYAL ASSENT. The Royal Assent was given by Commission to the Conso lidated Fund Bill, the West India Slavery Amendment Bill, the Birmingham Coal Company's Bill, the Imperial Conti nental Gas Company's Bill, the South Shields and Gates head Rahway' Bill, th e Cowe N o 4 pm, the PRlge flan. hour Bill, arid •pycri t i qt*r private Bills, The Cumrnissioners were the Lord ettis)q:FA4att, the Earl of SHAFTESBURY, and Lord DuNCANNAN• MESAOE FROM THE. COMMONS. . OSWALD and other. Members of the House of Com -- -- • ~. . . btotigiit up•tlie Lanark cia.s, 44C 1 WYer-ai ather private Bills. Mr. Campbell, from the East India House, brought up a return of the compensations given to the discharged officer.; of the Company. Messengers from the Commons brought up the Ulster Canal Bill, which was laid on the table, The Marquis of DO WNS HI RE presented a petition fl-orn a place in the north of Ireland, approving of the firm, loyal, and constitutional course pursued by their Lordships with respect to the Irish Municipal Corporations Bill, and praying their Lordships to abide by the amendments made by them. The Earl of BURLINGTON presented a petition in favour of the North Midland Railway Bill. The London and Cambridge Raik;ay Bill was read a second time on the motion of Earl :SHAFTESBURY. ' The Nene Outfitll Bill was also read a second time. The other Bills on the table were advanced a stage. Petitions for the better observance . of the Sabbath, were pre sente by Lord WitAt . :Nct.ux. A message from the Commons asked that Earl Radnor and other Lords have leave to give evidence before the Agricultu ral Committee. Lord LYNDHURST had a petition to present from a Ro man Catholic Clergyman named Dr. - Malholland, who for many years held a living in the county of Louth, where he had gained the esteem of all parties. Ho had the misfortune to obtain the hate of the priest of a neighbouring parish, who went about scandalizing and calumniating the petitioner. He complained to the Titular Archbishop of the Diocese, Dr. Kelly, who ordered his Vicar-General to inquire ito it. He did so, and was of opinion that there was no foundation for the calumnies; and ordering the person making them to make a public apology. That was refused, and the petitioner nad no other course to take than to bring his action. Ile did so in the Common Pleas, in Ireland, and obtained a verdict from a jury of his countrymen ; he was satisfiel, and thought the matter should end there. In a very short time, however, he was removed from his living r.ithout any reason being assigned, by the authority of the titular Arch.. bishop or Primate. He would take the liberty of adverting to the evidence given by a very eminent mai. Dr. MlIale; before a Committee of the Houses, wherein it was stated that it was no breach of the rules of the Church of Rome for one ecclesiastic to bring a civil action against a brother ecclesiastic ; that was stated by more than one of the dignitaries of the Catholic church, The petitioner applied in vain to his superiors here, and eventually he appealed to the congregation for the propagation of the Faith in Rome, who, after hearing the case, ordered that he should be reinstated.—( Hear, hear, hear.) In the meantime Dr. Kelly died, and Dr. Crolly was elevated to his place, who on being applied to, said the petitioner should be reinstated ; . but a few: days after he said he had altered his .mind:,.His love and veneration for Dr. Kelly was so great, that s he could' reinstate '"i him; though he., 'find any stain on the petitioner's character ; on the other hand, - helcnew hiM to be - a pious, zealous ; ' good man, He signed ito cxent to that effect, which he ( Lord Lyndinirst) held in his hand. He applied again to Rome, and he was referred to Dr. Murray, . - the titular Archbishop of Dublin ; he asked the petitioner to accept of a curacy for the sake of the peace of the Church, at once he agreed to do so if Dr. Crolly would give him one which was promised, but again he altered his mind and refused. He had mentioned in his statement a document to which he wished to call the attention of the House. Lord HOLLAND was surprised to hear such a petition presented by the Noble Lord, above all others in the House. this petition was quite alien to all the functions of the House, and ought not to be received, as their Lordships could not act upon it. How could that House interfere with the discipline of a Chnrch which they did not recognize. The Earl of WICKLOW supported the petition. Lord MELBOURNE deprecated the presentation of peti tions upon matters in which that House could not interfere. He thought that the House should not be made a me dium of appeal to the public.—( Hear, hear.) If such a principle was sanctioned, there was no telling where it would end. The Duke of WELLINGTON expressed his surprise tha t the Noble Baron should object to the reception of this petition . The Marquis of LANSDOWNE rose and was left speaking. MARKET INTELLIGENCE. (From the New London Price Current of June 7.) SUGAR. —Thh sales for the week amounted to 1800 hhs and trs. at fully the rates of this day week, Jamaica of fine grocery quality selling at 655. 705., strong grey for the pan 655., browns 62s 6d. a 635. ; Grenada coloury for the scale at 675. a 68s ; Berbice good brown 63s 6d ; Tobago mid. grocery 645. a 663. 6d. ; Demerara good 655. a 665. ; St. Vincents mid. grey 645. 6d. a 655. ; other descriptions 655. a 675. for mid. and good yellow and grey, and fine yellows bits. a 70s. Accounts from Jamaica state that the crop would prove short, and prices ranged from 535. 4d. a 58s 4d. The stock of West India Sugar is now 7,262 hhds. and trs., being 10,211 lass than last year. The stock of Mauritius is now 82,026 bags, which is 28,072 less than last year (includ ing the East India Dock.) The delivery of West India last week was 2,091 hhds. and trs., which is 600 less than last year. The delivery of the Mauritius was 9,578 bags. The estimated purchases are only 500 hhds. and trs., in cluding the public sale of 132 hhds. new Barbadoes, which went off at prices fully equal to those of the last sale, but did not sell with quite so much spirit, good and fine went at 675. 6d. a 70s. Some extra fine Demerara Sugars under the new process are offered at 795., for which 775. has been offered and refused. Refined Sugar—parcels of fine Crushed sold at 445. a 445. 6d., and 85s. 6d. long price for Lumps to pass ; 84s. 6d. a 85s. for Lumps, and 85s. for Loaves ; for 200 hhds. Crushed Amsterdam Sugar 435. paid, at which price other parcels are offered. In the Refined Market a parcel of Lumps to pass the stan dard has been sold at 855., but the chief business doing is in goods considerably under the standard by the grocers at 83s. 6d. a 84s. MAURITIUS. -Mid. yellow, 635. 6d. a 643. ; fair to good brown; 60s. a 625. 6d. ; good coloury greys, 645. 6d. a 655. EAST INDIA.-Bengal has been in great request; the purchases by privatew:ontract have been 1,500 bags at 393. a 40s. 6d. for fair and good white ; the good disposition evinced for a long time past to purchase all other kinds of East India has considerably abated, yet the prices remain firm ; the purchases since our last have been confined to small parcels of fair and good white Siam, at 36. a 38s. ; 500 bags Manilla at 328.6 d. a 335. Gd. for brown and mid. yellow, and 400 baskets Java at 355. 6d. a 365. for ord. yellow to fine grey. RUM, BRANDY, AND MOLASSES.-The fine qualities of Rum have been in brisk request, and for Jamaicas an advance of Id. on last week's rates paid ; Leewards of common quality are rather cheaper and didl of sale; the transactions since Tuesday are 100 puns. fine Jamaica 30 to 36 per cent. over 3s. 10d. a 4s. 4d., some parcels 29 to 30 over 3s. lid. a 4s. Id. ; Leewards 3to 9 per cent. over 2s. 4d. a 2s. 7d., and 12 per cent. over 2s. Bd. , Geneva has been taken freely at Is. lid. a 2s. at the quay. The demand for Brandy is moderate, and confined to exporters. MOLASSES.-West India Molasses continue to meet with a brisk demand ; 30s. paid for good new Demerara and St. Vincent° : a small parcel of fine Tohagos at auction fetched 31s. The total deliveries of West India Molasses from the warehouses for home use for the week ending June 4th, amount to 3,384 cwt. COFFEE.—The only public sale this afternoon was 20 casks of Jamaica, which went rather higher, low mid. 89s. a 91s. 6s. The total deliveries of Coffee from the warehouses for home consumption for the week ending June 4th arc 68,381 lbs. of East India, and 167,069 lbs. of West India. Cocoa.—.The.public sales of 400 bags Trinidad have gone off 23. a 2s. Gd. under former rates, fair grey to dark red sell ing at 525. a 555. Total deliveries of \Vest India Cocoa from the warehouses fur home use fur the week ending June 4th, are 12,030 lbs. SALTPETRE.--The market for Rough Saltpetre continues heavy, there being no speculative demand, and the prices are a shade lower; 305.• accepted for parcels of good Calcutta. The quotations of English Refined are reduced to 335. 6t1.- a 345. RlCE.—Grocers have purchased Carolina nt 295. This afternoon Carolina Rice has advanced Is., !ales made at 295. a 31s. • CocniNEAL.--.The public sale this.afternoon, 20 bags Co chineal, %lent at firm prices ; silvers 7s. 4d. a 7s. Bd. INDIGO.—To purchase 4d. profit, must be paid on the rates of the quarterly sales for picked lots, and 2d. to 3,1. for the general runs. The total deliveries of Indigo from the ware. houses for home use for the week ending June 4th, are 16,641 lbs. of East India, and 29i1bs. of \Vest India. TALLOW. —The prices have again advanced, 455. 6d. paid for Petersburg Yellow Candle, and 465. is now generally de manded ; purchases to some extent have been made for forward delivery at the advanced price of 465. 9d. a 475. The delive ries last week were great, being four times more than has been delivered in one week for the last five years. This afternoon ready buyers of Tallow at 455. 6d. on the spot, and 465, 91 a 475. for delivery,•but no sellers at the latter. • PROVISIONS.—Prices in Ireland of new Butter have given way to 82s. a 845., but in this - market importers are still holding for 90s: for fine new, but at these prices the trade arc still adverse to purchase. . Foreign, which was selling last week at 765. for•the best quality has since advanced to 86s. to 88, % , and the demand extensive.. Bacon has given way ls. to 25., but there has been a very animated demand since Friday ; sales of heavy and small made at 535. and 545. Lard is held firmly at 703. for the best Waterford Bladdered ready buyers at 68s. Hams are in brisk request. Scotch Pork has been freely taken at 40s. a 525. In India Beef and Polk or Pork Middles, little has been done. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ROUSE OF COMMONS, Jrnyie . 6. The SPEAKER took the Chair at theitsual time. IRISH MUNICIPAL REFORM. Lord CLEMENTS presented petitions from Leighlein bridge (Ireland), and from the county of Derby, against the Lords' amendments to the Municipal Bill, and praying that the House of Commons would not accept the Bill in its present shape. Mr. STANLEY presented a petition (as we undvitood) from Preston on the same subject. Mr. MOST YN presented a petitim i I'VkAln certain freeholders and manufacturers in Op ..c.,,ttnty a Flint, praying the Haase tg cot fpp nu F.eland a reform in its municipal instittAticios, and not to covinteaancp the principle that INl4nd t% not to have tho same rnaimi 4voa w i ye f .nplent whiclt are enjoyed by e,tlier pwiliGA3 tbis king (104 n, TRAD,E WVCIi PORTUGAL. The SOLICITOR-QEN,FRAL bad the honor of tilling the office of gecordor Borough from hich th e petitioß oMBUtitod, tie had then in his hand Certain resointiens which wore passed at a public meeting whi c h was called by the Mayor; when the people heard of the petition they immediately asked the mayoi'tO calla meeting, which tiviA4t.'..tre they passed resolutions, to the effect that mons who had been appointed magistrates in the borerzi? were &lily clualiW c and met with their a C Vailtit p as :G Earl JERMYN replied, but in so low a tone of be inaudible in the Gallery. He called upon the House not to be deterred from d o i ng its duty by the Noble L ord—the question was a very important one. Capt. ALSAGER moved the second readirg of the St : Anne's, Walbrook, Marriages Bill. Read a second time and ordered to be committed. The House then proceeded to a CONFERENCE WITH THE LORDS. The LORI) ADVOCATE proposed a conference pith the Lords on some amendments which their Lordships had made in the Letter- Stealing ( Scotland) Bill. The conference was agreed to, and persons appointed to ma- : nage it on the part of the Commons, and to draw up reasons against the amendments. In answer to a question from Sir R. PEEL, Lord J. RUSSELL said the next Supply day would be Friday. The Order of the Day having been moved for taking . into further consideration the report of the Registration of Births Bill, Sir E. CODRINGTON rose to bring forward his motion for a return of all officers in the navy who have been deprived of their half-pay without their consent, or without inquiry before a court martial; and also a return of the names of all officers whose half-pay had been restored to them without any rea sons being stated for so doing. All he wanted was the papers. He wished to know why officers, more than any other class of men, shou'd be punished and deprived of their half-pay without inquiry, and without being confronted with their accus ers. He trusted he should have the support of the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir Robert Peel) upon this occasion, and also of the Noble Lord (Stanley.) The Right Hon. Baronet the other night contrasted the situation of the Clergy, in point of cmo lument, with that of the messengers and doorkeepers of that House, and asked whether a Clergyman was to be placed in 3 ,worse situation even . than that of their own messengers. He might put the same question with respect to the officers of his Majesty's navy. The oldest Post Captain in the navy got no more than 2341. a year, and the two other classes a few pounds less than this, and they were liable to be scratched off the list without any reason being assigned. He hoped some feeling would be shown for the officers of the navy di as well as for the Clergy. He knew an old Commander had been fifty years in that situation, who had no more tir 1821. 103., and no Commander could ever have more than ..1921. 12s. Why put the officers of the navy in a worse' situation than the doorkeepers of that House? He trusted be should.. have the support of the Noble Lord (Lords Stanley) also. That Noble Lord appealed to the House'' the other night as -a .House of Gentlemeni and represented: to them the peculiar difficulties in which the. Clergyrarff was placed. He might die, said the Noble Lord, leav'mg a widow and children without any provision. Ife also appealed to them as a House of Gentlemen, and c l a imed for the officers of the navy the kindness of Parliament. The fact was that the naval service as now paid was nn expense to officers. It was very laborious. An officer had to walk the deck every night for four hours till he became a captain. And even then those who were anxious in the discharge of their duty were frequently up all night. But what he parti cularly complained of was, their being struck off the list and deprived of their half-pay without inquiry, and without any • reasons shown. In all other cases men were confronted with their accusers. He had been told that in some cases those who were thus treated were swindlers. If so, let it be proved. He could not see the motives for such conduct, particularly under a Liberal Government. He spoke of this matter before, but the Secretary to the Admiralty gave him no answer. Mr. C. WOOD—I did not finish my•speech upon the oc casion alluded to. Sir E. CODRINGTON—He would say no7r, as he slid before, if the officers misbehave let them be struck out of the list, but do not deprive them of their half-pay. The Right Hon. Baronet ( Sir J. Graham) told him that if he shr,uld ever again be placed at the head of the navy he would advise his Majesty to grant these papers. It ought to be disemetly known whether it was the King or the Government which bad autho rity to grant these papers. In one case an officer named Ver non was struck off the list for conduct unbecoming a gentleman, and restored again (so we understood). He wished to know what was meant by conduct unbecoming a gentleman, as his himself lied been threatened with punishment on that ground by the Right Hon. Baronet ? The motion having been put from the Chair, Lord J. RUSSELL said no sufficient reason had been shown for the motion proceeding at this time. It would in terrupt all the Orders of the Day, and therefore he should oppose it. Sir E. CODRINGTON withdrew the motion, and gave notice that he would bring it forward on the next Supply dar . ,. The SPEAKER having left the Chair, Mr. GOULBURN - had objections* to the Registratios, Bill as it regarded births, which could not be removed by 4•,,y alte ration in the clauses. He objected to the Bill, first_, b eca use it would interfere with the rights and privileges of the Clergy and with the practice and the principles of the; Established Church. With respect to births, it was provided by the Bill that the name which the parents wished tr . , give the child should be first given in and registe re d, ari a t h at the bapt i s m might take place afterwards. This wo - ald impose a double duty on the Clergyman; but his great objection was, that it would dissociate the name from the baptism —that the regis- ' tration of the name and the baptism would not take place .at the same time. Even the humblest members of the Church of England ought to be fully aware of the importance of the - sacrament of baptism. But there were very many who, front ignorance, did not appreciate it. He feared that if the nr.me could thus be given to a child by Act of Parliament, it :could soon cease to be what it has hitherto been considered, -a Chris tian name, and that the ceremony of baptism would be often -• dispensed with. He feared that whatever temporal. benefits.tho. Bill might confer, the spiritual might be lost sight of. He •''' begged the Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell) to give due consi deration to the children of the poor and the ignorant, wbfe' were most likely to rest satisfied with the registration of the' -' name. Would anything be gained by this dissociation ? This sort of registration would afford only a secondary evidence. Before they had the best evidence that could be had, a eertifi- ' cate of the baptism. What objection could there be to having a column in the registry, setting forth where and when, the child had been born, the name, and the interval between, the registration of the name and the baptism ? He could no t but think that either the parents would be induced to forego the rite of baptism, in the belief that the registry was sufficient, or that the conscientious exhortations of the Clergy to their flocks, not to forego that rite, but always in season and out of season, to seize every opportunity of bringing their children to the font, in order to receive that Christian name which it was this Bill sought to render no longer Christian—wr,uld have the effect of causing the lower orders to neglect the foam of registry, in the opinion that the religious rife was suirxient. Lord J. RUSSELL was glad that the Right Hon. Gen tleman had reserved his objections until the present exeasie" , because they were such as went, if tenable, to the very r oot of the measure. The object of this Bill certainly eyes to esta blish a civil register of births and deaths, wL,ich should he alike open to persons of all persuasions, and 'which should at the same time be so constituted as that Dissenters should not feel a hesitation in availing themselves of it. The State re quired such a register, and it was no less necessary for lega l purposes. But the objections of the Right Hon. Gentleman appeared to him (Lord J. Russell) to be incompatible with this the essential principle of the measure ; because the propo sition laid down by the Right Hon. Gentleman was that the clergyman should enter the name of the child and the data elf its birth at the time of baptism—in fact that the registry of births and the baptism should be simultaneous. The I?...qht Hon. Gentleman seemed, however, to have forgotten a'eoge- ther that a great body of people (the Dissenters) svh6ily ob jected to having their children baptized by the clergy o f the Church of England. Mr. GOUL BURN said that his observatior_ merely apelie,_ d to the members of the Chu rc h o f E ng l and ; 2 ,..e did not wis h to interfere with the opinions of the Dissenters. Lord JOHN RUSSELL—Then the proposition of th e Right Hon. Gentleman m eat necessar il y -involve the keeping of two registers; the one for the members of the Church of England, and the other fo r th e Dissenters—a course which he (Lord J. Russell) conceived to be incompatible with the. main objects of the Bill—th a t o f ma i nta i n i ng one na tional register for statistical and general purposes. The objectioT t e of the Right H on . G ent l eman were f oun d e d on hi s f ea r that the lower classes would be induced to forego the rite of bap tism, in the belief that the act of registry was sufficient; let it seemed to him (Lord John Russell) that these were ebiee" tions founded on the presumed ignorance of the people ; and, if so, he was clearly of opinion that it was not for Parliament to legislate fey ignorance, and to frame statutes in defiance of the dictates o f sc i ence an d ex p e rience f rather, on the other hand, to remove th e difficulty by spread'l)that ing knowledge throughout the land. Ile did not say Rio' „ o i s it was for the clergymen to d o this ; but that no le, •, _ ought to proceed on the principle of offering a premitsmeltae: ignorance. Still he (Lord John Russell) did hot see 1 his Right Hon. Friend had proposed any remedy for the v_ diffi culty which yet existed—namely, the necessit' o f 3 ro no i n o_ ing a general national register, to which Dissenters could ,__ tribute without doing any violence to their religious scruple's' Sir R. INGLIS thought that the difficulty which the Noble Lord apprehended might easily be met by there being a t _ 1 3 4 " 0 , vision to this effect—that registers of the births and dea 1 .1. s be opened at Dissenting meeting Louses, b.ea _ 'be for aDnidsstehnattercsopsbiensulodf them should periodically (annuar.y, i nially, or at other intervals, as the provision Might be) warded to the central registration office. would supply the State with the necessary information, saw, whe ther for national or for legal purpose. , „'while at the n raieed time it would obviate all the object;. - ,m s which had b f ee the mis chievous the plan' proposed by the mi l l , on the score 0 of the chievotts influence it would 'nave upon certain c l asses baptism population, in tempting t l dero . to forego the rite . of eal., YU% be thong ht, ac cording to the ordine ne the Noble hear.) He aknitted the principle laid down by y and Lord, that it register was absolutely necessarybforre nationalwas any ne s of the Established Church. —(Hear, leg',l purposes; but he could not think that there to the princi egsity for running counter to the H e had 1114 4 • Hear, e d a . • pies of a large body of the public, tolipeinmembersof England, and the Clergy.—( For instances, it other objections to the Bill as it now stoo t be induced among was difficult to be seen how the registry was to o be voluntary there certain classes of the population. If it was . r because the of the the Church wad then no occasion for a general register, If, en the other hers of' the Church, being let the Dissenters maintain their registe r. own bertiecorn pulsion was by hand, it was to be compulsory, wbeteonsiderable objection must way of fine or of domicilisi7 visit, amount, or was is `must satisfied with Ihe present system, arise. If by fine, NNa,s it to be a 'fi xe d ver , ,t . fixed, , it ~nau proportioned tcs sae means of tbe nd pk oor : 2 and' if proerate_svoa operate e.e4ially between, eleb. inquisitorial i nq uiry into t h e il I mac-- bmytindmiciliary visits that t h eentrustedi it witst induce a, specAel.c , i ticu a,iidiviallo., i ' ilh the office weeld Isegeire I , 4inzlislttaen would not readily be armed with such t° submit to.—( Hear.) 0 po _ a than et wgisteein 4 g was as was b' . e. enforced, the persons ~~h_ ..f