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ing any communication to Lord 'Castlereagh itt ti e earlier stagils of the transaction. Sept. 19.—0 n Tuesday September 19, your Lord ship,' in answer to.ia letter (Amine of the preceding day, explained - to me the grounds of your silenCe to Lord Castlereagh, during the loiter period of the transadion. Sept. 2u.--On Wednesday morning, September the 20th, freaeived from Lord Castlereagh the let ter which - produced our meeting. , .From this series of facts it appears, That, in April, I made a representation to the King's First Minister, on the general -stale of the "Administration ; and that, in the course of the discussions arising out of , that representation, 1, proposed on public grounds, 'not as Lord Castle reagh.appears to have been informed, 'his removal from the Administration, but the alternative of a change, either in the .War or Foreign Department ;. That on the 10th of May, the Duke of Portland submitted to His Majesty the subject of my repre sentation ; and informed me that his Majesty would • be pleased to take it into hiS consideration ; That, from the loth of May until the. Bth of -June, I was wholly unapprized of the, result of that consideration; but that, for fear of misapprehen— sion, I had, in person, during that.interval, viz. On the 31st of May, humbly repeated my representa tion,•and tendered my resignation to his Majesty ; That, on or about the Bth of June, for the first time, an arrangement waif stated to rue, which had for its objet a new distribution of the business of the War Department, and that, on the 13thi signified my acquiescence in that arrangement, so , far as I was concerned ; That, 'on the -t sib, another arrangement was stated to me, as intended to' be substituted to r that in which I had acquiesced ;_ but that, on. the, 21st,' it w'As announced to me that the first arrange ment was finally decided upon, wtis to be irurnedi , ately carried into ,effeat, and -was to be cotittnuni . cated to Lord Castlereagh by your Lortlstop; might- be effeaed, ceusistently with Lold Ceallea reagh's- feelings. He said, however, t hat your Lord, ship had. not yet finally made up your mind upon the subjed ; but that yea would prob:•ibly come to a decision before the following Wedeesday. . •The Duke of Portland stated his intention in the event •of. - Lour Lordship's resignation, to subtaiit to bis. Majesty the neroination of Lord Wellesley to the War Department. • It was Well 'known by the Poke of Portland that I. had been always anxious for Lord Wellesley's eccesa sion to the Cabinet : -hut this - was the first mention / to me in the coarse of the transadion, of his intro dilation into the. War Department. But for a :se - were, indisposition, Lord Wellesley would, before this time, have been on his way to Spent. July 13 . .—0 n Thursday, .the 13th of July, the Duke of Portland informed nit- ) that your Lordship had the day before actually tendered your resigna tion ; but that y6ur Lordship had annexed ao it the conditions, flat no change should take place till af ter the termination of the Expedition to the Scheldt ; and that it should be left to our Lordship to choose the time of making any communication to LetelCas tlereagh. • July 13th to 30th—I made-the strongest remon strances against this new delay, and this indefinite renewal of the concealment from Lent Castlereagh. ',said that after the repeated postponements which had-already taken place, and atter the reserve which bad already been practised towards Lord Castle reggh, I could not rely upon . the execution of ,any arrangement - which should not nom be completely settled in all its parts. And if Una were not to be done, I most earnestly . en treated that his Majesty might be advised now to accept my resignation.. The Duk6 of fortland most anxiously deprecated try resignation, as leading, in his apprehension; to tee disaohition of the Administration. He declared himself to be authori - ied to assure me e in the most so lemn manner, that the arrangement • now in con templation should positively take place at the termi nation of the Expedition ; that the Seals of .the - War Department should then be offered to Lvrd Wellesley—an office (to. be vacated by' Means of your Loralehip's retirement), being at the saine time. • to be offered to Lord Castlereagh ; and that in the interval, and without loas, of times Lord Castle , • reagh's friends should take opportunities of prepay-: i'ng him for the change ) _and reconciling him to in; by representing to him the great advantages to be de yed irony it, in the itcqpisition 01 additieear strengt Ii to .the Government.. - July 13th to 20th.--Not only the Duke of Port -i land, but •• other 'Members of- The Cabinet, Lord - Castleyeagles friends, • sortie - clirettly, and conie. through common urged me in the .mi.st earnest .manner, to acquiesce in the postpdnernent. now proposed. It was•represented to me, that if, instead of-pressing for the execution of tbeartange trent now, time were allowed to Lord Castlereagh's friends to prepare him for theaalsange, and to-.recon cile him to -the arm:gen - mat might ultimately take place in an amicable manners; that every pub lic objed might thus be answered, without aey -un necessary harshness to the_ feelings of individuals; and that so far from finding fresh impeditnents raised to the executive of the arrangement, when the time arrived, I should find all, t lee,. to whose represera tations I yielded, considerieg -themselves pledged equally,. with the Duke of Pulliam!, to see it carried into cited. • It is due to your Lordship, to say, that your Lordship's name was note so far as I recollect; spe cifically mentioned to me.on this occasion ; but it is equally due to myself, to declare that I never for a moment,imagined, nor could have believed that the general description of " Lord Castlereagh's friends," as stated to me without exception or qualification . by the Duke of Portland, did -not comprelietul - your Lordship, whose proffered resignation was the basis • of the whole arrangement, and without whose ex press consent, therefore, no other person could an nounce the arrangement tci Lord Castlereagh. •. • July 20th.—By these rePreientatioes - and aasur , antes, at length, most reluctantly, and I conte9ta against my better judgment, -I was induced, to ,ac- , quiesce in the ptoposed.postponement Of the change, and consented to remain in office till the termina tion of the Expedition. • Sept.. 2.—On Saturday, September the 2d, the result of the • Expedition to the Scheldt being then known, I. wrote to. the Duke of Portland; at Bul strode, -reminding. his Grace, that the. period fixed for offering. the Seals. of the War Department to Lord Wellesley, was arrived. - Sept. 6th.-- On the following Wednesday, the 6th of. September, the Duke of Portland informed me, that no steps. whatever had been taken•by any of Lord Castlereagh's friends to reconcile him to the change, or to prepare him for it; that • the exe cution of -the arrangement would - be attended with other resignations; or at-least -with one-other resigna tion (of which I bad never before received • the slightest intimation) ; and .that he had himself de- - termined to retire. Upon receiving this intelligence, I immediately disclaimed any wish that the arrangement; howa ever positively I understood it to have been settled, should be carried into • effect under circumstances . to me so • ernexpeded.; and instantly reverted to that " alternative," 'which,. upon each succesaive stages of ditlicnities and . delay s, I - had uniformly pressed,—that of the tender of Foy own resignation.; which t desired the Duke of Portland to lay that. day before the -Ling. • • Sept. 7.—On the following day, Thursday the 7th of September, I declined attending the• Cabinet ; stating in a letter to the Duke of Portland, iwhich I left to -his Grace to communicate to the Cabinet if he should think-proper,, that I considered my resig nation as in his.. Majesty's hands ; and myself as holding my office only until my successor should be named. , • - - Sept. B.—On Friday , the sth, I heord from the Duke of Portland that Lord Castlereagh had sent in his resignation. I have been infortued.sinces bat whether correaly or not-I cannot affirm, that he did so, irt consequenee of a communication made to hi:n, by your Lordship, after the Cabinet of the pre ctmdwg day.. . . Sept. 14.—0 n Thursday the .14th of September; your Lordship called open rue at the Foreign Ogee voile:is:hi appointment, .for atlie purpose of ex.- pluining the causes which had prevented -your mak- to the end - , I wad not only ready, bit. desirous fo terminate them by resigning. But when the - opinion of the expediency of •a change in the War Department had been ado led by so many of the immediate friends of Lord Cas ' tlereagh upon the condition that it should be recont - oiled to Lord Castl6reagh's feelings, and when they, and your Lordship among the fio't, had devised and 'concerted.with the King's First Minister the mode of 'carrying that 'object 'into execution, I cannot help thinking 'that I should have_heen much and justly blamed, if I had insisted upon taking the cotutnani cation to Lord Castlereagh out of your hands into .my own. Know come to your Lordship's maternent. That statement is asfollows.: " As.it may be inferred, froma statement which has ai)- 'peared •iir the public p.ipers, that Lord Caiiiden• withheld from -Lord Castlereagh, a dommuMeation which lie;liaii.been, desired to make,to him, it is necessary it: should be tinder, stoodohat bOwever Dlr, Canning night have conceived time communication alluded to, to have been made to Lord Cam den, it was ,never s.:ated to Lord ,Camden, . that the. cornmu alication was.made at the desire Of, Mr. Canning; and, so tar -from Lord Camden, having been.authorized to make the corn , inunication to Lord Castlereagh, be was absolutely restricted from so doing. "As it may also be inferred that Lord Camden was ex ,petted-t6 prepare_Lord Castlereagres mind for any proposed 'change, it is necessary that it should be understood, that Lord Camden never , engaged to communicate to LortiCastle-• reagh any circurnsrances respecting it, betore the termination of the Expedition."—llf,rning Chromde, Od. to. This statement appears to me to have been muck misunderstood. It ''has been construed, as it your .Lordship had meant to ,aver that what you were re stricted from doing, and what you• had not engaged to do,_ were one and the same thing ;—whereas your Lordship's statement, in point of tact, contains two distill& propositions, and refers to two separate pe riokis of time. .• That, on the. 271 h 'of June, no step appearing to hare been taken, either to execute the intended ar rangement, or to apprize Lord:Castlereagh of it, I remonstrated against the delay, - and against the con c:ealnient. from Lord. Castlereagh'; and inat, ou the 28th, l'again tendered my resignation; and that, on rite,sarne - day, your Lordship received an injunction to communicate the- intended' arrangement to Lord Castlereagh ; That, on 'the sth ofJuly,.a new plan was stated to me to be in -contemplation; a plan - originating with your Lerdship, and 'depending, for its execution, upon a step to be taken by ‘ yoursell; that this plan was, on the 13th, announced. to me as settled, and • ~ .as intendea *to be substituted 'for that which had been first proposed ; That I, at t .that time, renewed my remonstrances in the strongest manner, both against the delay and against the concealment ; tut that. it was stated to me to be an indispensable condition of this plan on 'your Lordship's part,—that -it . should not be aged the termination of -the Expedition to the I. Scheldt ; •.and that the time of making the commu picot ion to:Lord Castlereagh should ,be left to your Lordshi'p's-discretion ; That at length, in compliance with the. repre sentations and iutreaties of the Duke of Portland, and Of - rah2l - s, Lord Castlereagh's friends, and upon the most solemn assurances that Lord Castlereagh should in the mean time be 'prepared by his friends for the change, and that the change should positi vely take place at the period fixed by your Lotaiship, I consented to remain in office; That on Wednesday:the 6.th of September, find ing that nothing had been done toWratcli•prepating Lord Castleieigh for the arrangement ; ,and that the execution of it would be attended with difficulties of which I had not before _been apprized, I desir-cl the Doke of Portland to lay my resignation before the King., Your Lordship will therefore perceive,' • That.up to the Bth of June, so far Irotn - being in possession of any " prOmiSe for Lord Castlereagh's removal," and from his continuance in office being made . thereby ". dependent upon my pleasure ;" no decision Whatever had, to 'my knowledge, been taken, up to that time ; no proposal had , been made to me by the,Duke Of Portland, in any wayaffeCting. Lord Castlereagh's political situation ; and no Intl -11130013 had been. given to me, whether my own re signation would be findlyaccepted'or declined; That' the arrangement, ; which ,was in contempla tion from the Bth of June to the . sth of July, in no, degree 'affeeted, and was never intended to affeal ".the conduct of the Expedition to the Scheldt ;" That Lord Castlereagh's " removal from the War Department" was first determined upon as part . of the plan of which your. Lordship's Resignation was,the basis ; That his" removal from the Administration" was not at any time ". demanded" by me ; And. lastly, that I did employ the tender of my own resignation, not to ", enforce decision" only (as. Lord Castlereagh's letter supposes,) but equally to " enforce.dis‘closure ;" and that in fact I did • tiltt mately resign, rather than " enforce". the:intent - hid, change, under circumstances so .different from those, which I had been authorized to expeEt. It cannot be expeaed that I should labour very anxiously to refute the charge of my having " sup-, posed" your Lordship and others ",. to . le Lord Cas tlereagh's friends;" and having, under that inipres sion,aleferred to your opinion and " authority," in a matter affecting Lord Castlereagh's interests, and feelings. , ThAt your-Lordship, in-particular, as well from hear connection as from an active and anxious par tiality, was entitled to consultation and to deference on such an occasion ;—is a persuasion which I felt in colninon, as I believe, with every Member of the Government ; arid 'which not even Lord Castlereagh t S disclaimer has induced me to renounce. I should not 'have been surprized, nor should I have thOught myself entitled to tlike the smallest offence, if your Lordship had, instead - of 'coneur ring in the expediency of a change in Lord CaStle reagh's 'Department, protested affainst - it,. and had recommended. to the Duke of °Pirtland to advise the King to accept my resiguatibn t and it wag per 7 . knOwn by the Duke of Portland, - ,arid I - am confident, not unknown'hy your Lordship, that, at any - moment from the,beginning of these diseussiOns ..... _ ~_ The period during which yOur4 Lordship states yourself to have been" atrOluiely restriaerl" from making a communication to Lord CiStlereagh, ex tends from the. 23; : h of April, on which day the first communication was made by the Duke of Portland to your Lor.iship, to the time at which the proposed arrangement fir the new distribution of the business at the War Department .was superseded by your Lordship's tender of your resignation. The .period during which your Lordship states yourself. ‘. not to have engaged to make a coinmuni.,. cation to :Lord Castlereagh, extends "from the time 1 of the tender of your Lord Ship's resignation to the termination of the Expedition to the Scheldt. I. It ought,. however, to be observed, that during the first of these two periods, from the 28th of April to i the 12th of July, . the nature of the communication to .k..... made Co Lord Castlereagh, and the. nature of the restriction imposed upon your Lordship were i entirely _changed. . Previously to the, Bth'of June---this communica, tion which your Lordship would have bad to make i to . Lord Castlereagh, was 'simply, that_ I had re presented the expediency jai a change either in his Department .or •in mine ; • and . that no decision. whatever had yet been taken upon this representa i' tion. . With resped- to Ws communication, it does ap-. pea; that the: restriction upon your Lordship was absolute and indefinite. But I knew nothing of its existence. Sl' '44:tinily to tle . tith of June, the commitni cation to be made to Lord Castlereagh was, that an arrangement was' in 'contemplation for a new distributicmi of the busin,zss of the War Depart ment,. With respeiSt.to !his communication, not only was the restrielion ,upon your Lordship.not indefinitely continued; but your Lordship 'thually ,received on the 28th of June an injunction to make this commu nication to Lord Castlereagh at a period distindly specified, viz. the sailing of the ExpeditiOn. And this injunetion was only sup.erstided by a voluntary at of- your. Lordship's--your. tender of your own. resignation on the ,12th of July as the basis of,' ano ther arrangement. During the whole-of the period, :from: the 28th of April-to the j 52th of July, the concealment practised towards Lord' Castleteagh was either, without my . knowledge, and contrary to my'belief, or it was against my earnest remonstrances. . . It was without my knowledge . , and contrary tomy belief, up to ihe week in which Parli;.::hent rose and frotm that tiin'd forth it was against my earnest remonstrances, ' Even when I learnt in June, that the communi cation bad not been made by yctur - Lordship : to, Lord Castlereagh, I did not learn • that you had been prevented from making it by any abSolnte re striCtion.. It was not till the month ofJUly, in the course of , the discussions which took place from the 13iii to the 20th . of that Month, respeding the proposal fbr postponing the new arrangement to be founded On . you i r Lordship's resignation, and for leaving to yolur Lordship's discretion the ti ale - of disclosure to Lord Castlereagh, that 'learnt that the silence which you had hitherto Observed towards hith had been imposed upon your Lordship by the injundion of: the Drilie, Of Portland. I did not till then know' with whom the cbticeaTment hitherto pradisect had originated ; I frankly ,oWn that, I thought it had oriinated` with your ',.Lordship ; I was anxious abqve all things that it should not -be even suspected, 1h had originated with me, or that I had been con senting party to it, or even (till a late period) . eon . scions of its existence. t In my correspondence With the buke of Portland at this period,.therefore, at the Saine‘time that I re sisted the Pew delay then proposed, tdisclaimed any • concurrence in the concealment which had been: hi ' therto practised—and requested " that it might, be remembered hereafter, wheneVer that concealintit should be alleged against me as an at of injuitiee to Lord Castlereagh, that it did not'originate to nay suggestion ; that so far from desiring it I had con ceived (howver erroneously) your Lordship to be the sure channel of communication to Lord Castl reagh ; and that up to a very late peribd . I had believed such communication to have been actually made." The Duke of 'Portland, in answer, acknowledged my repe.ned remonstrances against the conceal ment, stating biniSelt at the same time nouto have beenaware that I had at any time believed the com munication to hair been aaually made ; but assur ing me " tliat he should be at all fillies ready to avow that the concealment had origina.e:.l v li h - , LONDON s, Printed by RICH ARD HARRIS, of No. 4, Martlett-coutt, EC”.4%. street; endPtblished by WitI.IAM A RMIG L R SCR 1 P/ 3 ,S,, ‘. outb ty!niton. street , G osvenc wviitacc; Attlee Sux-OFFicr, L No. Strand; :where ildvertilement*, Orders rot the Paper Letters fur the Editor, &c. (post-paia); must 40 addressed. se2l\the Unice ot Vortiand) ; taut he h 3.4; ellio.lled LE to all those with whom he _had comniunio motivas'Which he was at all times ready tojus tity ; and that Ire was des.roos . of mg Whatever blame might have been, 9r might at any titre be, incurred by it, upoti him Self." This,.as I have said, was my fiist kncw!edge of any resttiaton sxhatever upon yotir:Lordskp's corn munication to Lord Castlereagh.. • VI am asked, why I believed . your Lord-,itipto have aelually made the communication ?-1 answer,.. because it was natural that you . should 'nuke it ;' be cause the etpeetation of your making it vies the•mo- Live which induceditne to:desire (and I did destre.),„ that tire' communication should be made to your LordshiP ; because .the manner in Which you 'first received that communication (as reporied to, 'Me b the Duke of Portland) , tended ,F ) e n nfi ri p lief th yonr T v ordship was the fit chatm , .:.l of:corn-. munication to Lotd Castlereagh ; and ly.rcause '1 knew not Of the ek:stence of any impediment ta. your pursuing what appeared to' me (and does . 011 appear to me) the natural and obvious course to be pursued upon Such an occasion. It it be.obleacd,that I otght not to have been contented with preSurning the discloStue to have been made, but ought to 11,Lve diligently a6cettani , d that it was so ;—first, I antwer, that no persun na turally' setS abotit ascertaining that of S.vhich he en... tertains, no 'doubt ;—and secondly, I answer, that the . , moment that my suspicion of the fact was excited,Jdidiascertaininget about ascertaining the truth; _and that, upon 'ascertaining it, I dud.: remonstrant-, Iry the strongest manner, against the concralment ana enforced that remonstrance by the tender ot my re. signation. • It was on the 98th or t. -, 7th of Jung ;five or sit' days after Pal-liar-dent rose) that. ,I discovered toy suspicidn to be founded.—On the 27•11 - 1 - re,noo straied.—On the :Atli I t-t-nder6id nay resigo:,;l l .ll 5 and in . the' Cotirstt of the sortie yoor -. ( sc f l, t o ? (as I 'have already stated) received at, iniUncoon_t4 make the communication as soon as the Expcdoioia: bad sailed. The second 'of the two periods to which yoor • Lordship's statement refers, • begins from the • ofJoly, the day of the tender of your Lokship's rem stgnation. It does .not appear, tior does your Lordship's state. 6 ment aver, that at any time during this secondipe-;'. - riod the I eitilaioll Whitt] had been originally posed upon. your' Lordship was renewed; or that,,, - any other existed, except that Which VO'or had imposed upon yourself, and - which was titere'' • fore no longer binding upon your Lordship, ,thati. -, while you might yourself be willing that it should bind you. Of the extent to which this self-imposed resttic.. lion appeals to have gone, I had not, goy suspieion. I knew indeed that your Lordship had stipula.ted Is , - keep the time of the disclosuo to Lt,:rcl - castleigh . . in \ your own hands : girt subsequently to Lily ochre; made. -aoquainted.' with that stipultion, I • had . le.:- ceived the assurances, which I have already clescrib-,, ed, on behalf of Lord.Castiereagh's ft iends';" and. had relied upon those assurances, It was not till the 6th of 'September that I learn t :that those assuritices had not .been carried into_etfecii It was not till the 19th of Septmber that I letkr" t .. that - YOUr Lordship had been bo pair:to then'; Theft, indeed ! . I learnt that your Lordship 11:1e. ••• not etigageti - to mz..tLG tho previon4ly to the " issue of the Expedition • being known here"—but that itt July you tad `f,stSted to • one of our colreagues" • (not the,-•Duke'.of Pottl:lnd) . who was-ui•ging an'earlier communicatiotb - th at: the time of cOmmunicatiisti; -so, far as you w ere en , cerned, wag for you to-decide ; buttliat no one a tight:to say you 'did not- perform that part in th':; ..trati - Saaion in which you were concerned,' if you (I ` not open .'your lips to • Lerd tastlereagli before ttl 'issue of the Expeditiorriwas known here." ThiS information I received friy . m your Lorclsh:o a latter dated the. 19th' of September. It Allen perfealy'new to me. " • - I 3eaVe your Lordship-to judge what most havis' been my surprise, wheii i • after receiving from. your Lordship, on the evening of the 9th of September• this frank avowal of the real .origin of the oonce,tl ment.tinaintalueci, during this latter and .most haver' • Ora period,- towards Lad Castlereae;lo• recei,v' on the following morning, Lord Castkreag - li's leiv f of the same date, responsible for ti': lta concealment. - • . -,, I haVo'notto trouble your Lordship with any ftv ther observations. • , I have confined myself to matters growing .not ox Lord eastlereagh's letter, and out of yontoLordship s statement -; 'og these alone have , l alight. to. clattn your .Lordship's attention'. - • • To. this. Address to your- Lordship I haste beef' compelled to resort, however reluelant iv, cate private honour. As to any charges,aginv' t my public conduert, this is not the mode to.reply 2lc Ahern. 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