The Sun. — London, England, 1808-06-22 00:00:00

IMPERIA L PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF PEERS. TUESDAY, JUNE 21 . The House in a Commiltee i t Privileges, was oc cupied for some time on the Roxburgh Peerage. The Committee to sit again ou - Thursdiy next. The Scotch Local Militia Bill, the Stipendiary Curates' Bill, and some other public and ptivate sills were brought up Iruni the Commons, and read a first. time: On the first reading of the Curates' Bill, Lord ',AVM:Mt/ALE rose, and said, that he was determined to oppose the Bill in all its stages. It , was a Bill which went to give the Bishops an in crease of discretionary power, which - power they :WQ re known already to have abused, so that the present Bill would only tend to enallle them to t extend that abuse in proportion as' their power was extended; The BISHOP of LONDON moved that the Bill be printed. in a day or two, perhaps Ott Thursday, he should appoint a day , fur the second reading of ; the Bill. ,He should, at present, offer DO ob.ierva `lions upon,what had just fallen from a Nellie Earl, As abundant opportunities would occur of arguing the merits of the Bill ih its future.stages. The Bills on the table were then forwarded in their respedive stages. • LOCAL MILITIA. • On the motion that this Bill do pass, Lord SSLattut renewed his objections to the mea sure. He wished .it to be confined to the age between 18 and 19 ; and thus it would have the effect of training the whole body of The youth of Great Britain to the use of arms. He way anxious the Bill should be freed from the inconvenience and difficulties to which other measures_ of this na ture were' known by experience to be ale. Above all, he wished to abolish the ballot;. with that view he should move an amendment, to omit . in. the preamble of the Bill the words, " ballotted and." . Lord STANHOPE supported the motion. He wag desirous 'the Bill shoiild rest on the principle of the Militia A6t,.:not on the principle of the modern Aas. He wi , hed it to approach in its - nature to the old posse comilatus of that great man King Alfred ; that was the true ground on which to build on a large scale the means' of defending .the country ag,Just invasion, the danger of which was more real than many •people were disposed to imagine. Such Was the kind of force most likely to make a solid and secure opposition • to an invasion; not your large standing armies. • Austria, Prussia, Italy, and all the old Governments, which fell like nine-pins be. lore the attack of the trench, had such armies ; but they had not such a force as he thought should and might now be organized in this country, and on which alone it must rely for its defence and se curity. 'Lord ili . kurtsEssuaY observed, that the principle of the old posse comitalus was excellent in theory; but like most . other things which were very spe cious in theory, it was most inconvenient and in sufficient in practice. What the state' of the coun trynow: called for was, a force permanent in time of peace and of war • and which by providing, such permanent means of defence to co-operate with the already existing force, would provide the means of permanent resittance. to a permanent danger.' He theretOre'did not see the use of he amendment. Lord SIDMOUTII distinguished between thQ plan of his noble Friend (Lard• Selkirk), and that re . commended by the Noble Earl (Stanhope). Hitt Noble Friend was for so modeling, the measure to make it operate, while , training, of the whole body of the youth of the country to the use of arms. In that plan he willhtly acquiesced ; but if the amend ment of his Noble Friend should be rejected, he should give his support to the 'present Bill, as ap proNiitialing next Jo that which he thought would best accomplish, the ohjecl which Government had in which the nature of the times made in dispensably necessary. After a few observations from Lord RADNOR, Lord SatActax's amendMent was negatived without a 7division. Lord RAT)Non proposed an amendment to'secure persons ballutted for in the Training At from serv ing in the Locall~liiici i. This arnendineot, i; tier a few words from Lord HAWEESEVRY and Liird STANHOPE, was also ne gatived, and the motion that the Bill do pass vi as agreed to, end the Bill ordered to the House of commons, MR. PA LM ER'S REM UN ERATION BILL.. The Order of the Day being read, Lord ELLioT rose, pursuant (0 the notice he had given yesterday, to call the attention of their Lord ships to the Bill now - before them. He had bestow- ed much attention on the nature of Mr. Palmer's claims, and on the evidente which been ad. duced lair and against them. After due consideration of thee point., it ,as his opinion the dill ~ught to b e E rje‘-te and ht ! !,ho uld conclude witita motion to that effect. The Noble Lord then went into a minute exatrinanan orMr. Palmer's contracts with Mr..Pur, a loch be contended had in view future as w e ;l ;oi past , sert ices. Hu also asserted, :that Mr.. Paliwe, appointment was' during pleasure, and only to continue as long as his conduct deserved approha `tint', as his exertions werc beneficial to the publi c. There was nothing, therefore, in the terms of the eontrael un which to rest the claims which Mr. Pal mer now advanced. Besides, the concluet of Mr. in several trawa6tions, was of a complexion to merit ;he severest reprobation, and the forfeiture of any condirions that might have been entered into iii his fav/•ur.. On this head he would refer titer Lordships to the evidence on the table, more parti cularly to, that of Mr. •Dmi, , , wh , ) was, from his si . turdiOo at the !hoe, hest etybled to be informed G 1 eery p;nnieul.ir i:oritie.tted with Mr. Palnlet's con , tract. cvidtnct: ..w4s far fribm speaking very strongly in 1;1r. Palmer's favndr. On ttivse grounds it wits, he hod thought f)toperto hilt% forward his present r:r trot surely from any private mai% rt r.; will towards Mr. Palmer. iljs Bard- ship conclodvd with moving that the.Bill.be jetted. :,ord isilornA, in supporting the claims of Mr. Pal - n i ec, expressed himself sorry that Mr,' Pillmer had ght them before tlu.:ir Lordships in their present In: should rather haVe seen them appealed: thc . matier in their judicial than ih their legis lative capacity. But as the bnsine , s riery stood, he was at a lois to see the propriety of dispo,i.og,of it in the manner now proposed. 'The evidence given, befOrt the other goose of • Parliament was rliil4l the teile of that House 'at their .10Tdship's,desire; and a Committee had been appointed to tocaniihd that evidence, and to cooler witii Mr. Long iipoo He should make nu further observation upon that Committee.; than that; in his a Noble Earl, now high in his Majesty's Councils (Lord Camden), should have been on that Comtnittee. - His evidence. he should have preferred, to Mr. Long's; not that he would impute any but. the purest motives, the most upright intentions, to that Gentleman; but fwcause from the part he had taken in the transaction between Mr. Pitt and Mr. Palmer, he must neces sarily labour under some bias, and that even with - - out being himself conscious of it. F'or that reason - it was that he should not lay so much stress on the e‘idence of Mr. Long, as some other Noble Lords might be disposed to do. Besides, it could be no secret that a powertiA party, and persons high in place, were rather indisposed towards Mr. Palmer : and that he was - an individual supposed to be injured; and •known to be unprote&ed. Taking . 211 the cir cumstances that accompanied the case, to treat the matter as it was proposed by the Noble Baron would have the appearance of injustice and oppression ; not - certainly the reality. But still that was enough to call for a serious consideration of the Bill, and the evidence before the House;' fur if their Lordships would - rejea the Bill without any such considera tions,- it was impossible they could do any thing .rnore to lower thein in the estimation of the public. He had rather.the Bill should be allowed, to expire. He should - therefore. move that the House do now adjourn. Lord HARROWSY agreed with the Noble Earl that Mr. Palmer would have done well not again to have brought his claims before Parliament.' . They went further than there was any proof or document to justify. As to the evidence of Mr. Lung, it was, the best that could posSibly have been produced; because that Cientleman, whose honour and veracity 6 i were acknowledged by - alkparties, was intimately acquainted- with 'evety circutribtance of Mr. Vitt's cotaract with Mr. Palmer. Lord EnSKINE said, it was his opinion that the nature of Mr. Palmer's contrua fully justified the claims of that Gentleman. Nur was it his opinion only, but that of men of such weight and name that he should not venture, to compare hioLiell with . them. ' kic thought their Luidshrps were bound in honuur toexamine into the case, add not to dismiss it in this 1113Ilper. Lord WA t.st NGIIAM was for rejeaing the Bill, and urged a variety of arguments in tivour of his opinion upon the subject. ' . 1 111p . LOLD C%IL defended tha conduit Gf Mr. Pitt with respect to Mr. Palmer. Na one could believe that that great man would have acted as he had done without the most satisfactory reasons tor every 'step he had adopted.. He did not at all agree with his Noble and Learned Friend (Lord Er4tnie)., nor with the Learned Persons to whom he-alluded, to the binding nature of the coutraCt. He could not help thinking that 'the opinion was taken up upon light grounds." He should vote for rejeCting the Bill. • Lurd STAN HOPE would not say ,a word . for or agaiiht Pahner: Thdt was not the queitti ii. hr- fore the House; but whether, when an individual . complitined, of injustice, 'and when grave opinions were in his favour, the House should not eail fur the opinion of the Judges upon the.question; ha thought they should be consulted,'and in that per suasion he should vote , for the adjournment.: Lord RADNOR was also ter the motion of ad , journment. Lord REDESDALt opposed-it, and after going over many of the circolo,tances of life caw to prove thin, Mr. Palmer had no just grOlitici of claim, he declared that it concerned the dignity of the House that the Bill he got. lid of as. speedily . as possible. , _ 110 , ),5e then divided oh L - )rd Moittn's Ametld rnent. Contents .. I') Nun-contents - - - - 34 Majunty . - - , --z4 • The original Question that the 13111 be rejeaed was then put and agreed to without a division. After some routine business tae House adjourned at ten o'clock. ROUSE OF. COMMONS. TUESDAY, JUNE 21. The Paymaster General's Bill, the Warehousing pill, the American Goods Bill, and the Loner) , Bill, were read a third time and passe& Sir W. Stop obtained leave to bring in' n 'Bill to extend the Provisions of the Act 45th of his pre sent Majesty, for the Encouragement of Seamen, sec. He immediately brought in the Bill; which wiis read a first time, and 'ordered to be . rea.l a second 'time to-Morrow. The . Woollen AEt Suspens i on Bill, the Lich . Spirit* Bill, and the Wo,4,viuiv- Wa-tddr were read a seet ! nd time, and ordered to be coat mined to-morrow. The Reports of the Welch Coal Bill; the Southern Whale Fishery Bill, the Silk Duty Bill, the Vote of Credit Bill, the Irish Ni . Dottgall'S Es tate Bill, the Irish Treasury were brought up and agreed to; and the Bilis ordered to he lead 'a. third .time to-morrow. Mr. fiusKrasoN brought in • the Appropriarinn Bill, which was read a tirNt time, and ordered'An be read a second time to-morrow. Mr, Husrcisso N presented an Account of the Ex pekes of Clod( h ( Uerlium Legion fin the ye 4 is 1895 and 1806. Ordered to lie on the tabl6. • Mr. HU3!ztssoN obtaibed•leave to bring in a Bill for the better regula;lon of the nmking of bags pockets of hops., The Brazil To,tage 13111 i*.;ied through a Com mittee, the Report ut whieh was Olden:Ai to be re ceived to-morrow. • ‘vrEsT INDiEs. Mr. EDEN envire,l‘vhether it was the nvention of his Majcsty's Mininerh to found', (12 the It.- o ,, r t of the COMllli.lee ot. Ilitt'va.e of the \V, hi trade, any tneahure e - xcept that of the dihnl horn sugar that InaLbeen already before the 1101'4 , 2. The eII'ANCI,OR of the E xcli go,u vat replied, t hat 'the Distillation Bill was n9t the only ca!eulated to relieve' the, West India merchants, lowering of the duties ott cutlet: * and the increase of the duties on brandy,would have a similar tendency. It was nut in the contemdlation of his Majesty's-Mi nisters to proporie other ineAsnre on the subject. Mr. BA It nA at t lieu 'pee nii - ticti of a motion on Thursday, respecting the state of the West India Commerce. The raeption of the RepOn of the Annuity Bill was postponed, until tc-InUrrow. . . _ _ The kuuse went into the further consideration of the Scotch Judicature Bill.—The Bill was re committed. Mr. Holman objefted to the Clause enaliting that no Appeals should be permitted from the luterlo cntory Judgments of the Court. of Session, without the consent of the Court of Ordinacy. In this opi nion he was supported by Mr. Abercrombie. and Sir S. Romil ; and opposed, by the Lord Advocate of Scotland, the -Solicitor-General for Scotland, and the Chancellor of the Exchequer. . After a very long conversation, Sir S. ROMILLY proposed an amendment to the Clatise that Appeals should not be permitted, iu the following words : " except where there is a ditference of • opinion among the Judges." • The SOLICITOR-GENERAL opposed the irnend silent, in a speech of some length, but after some further conversation between ,Sir Samuel ,Romilly, the Solicitor-General, and the Lord Advocate of Scotland, the amendment was agreed to. Mr. HORNER objeaed to that part of the Clause which al lowed an Appeal where an interlocutory jOdg ntent may become final, and moved that that part at the Clause should he. expunged. . . Aker a few words Irons the LORD ADVOCATE of SCOTLANU and Mr. ABEACROSIIIIE, the words were . expunged. • Mr..HoturEa proposed, that the Commissioners for inquiring int() the Regulations and the Proceed ings of the Coarts in Scotland, and reporting hoW far they may' admit of the. intro duation of the Trial by Jury, in civil Causes in Scotland, should be ap pointed by Parliament,. and not by the Crown, and. that they should report to..the Houses of Parliament. • This Amendment was opposed by the LORD Alit vocAra . of SCOTLAND, the CHANCELLOR of the Ex - CHEQUER, and the SOLICITOR-GENREAL for SCOT LAND ; atidswas supported by Mr. WHITBREAD and Mr. TIELINEY, when a division took place in the Committee.• , For the amendment, Ayes • Against it, Noes - - 44 Majority - . 'The•AmendMent.or worse was lo4t. The Report was ordered to to received to-morrow. A message from the Lords declared their Lord ships' assent to the Loan Bill, the Vote of CLettif Bill, the Irish Excilßill, the Barrack Accounts Bill, the Smuggling Pftvention Bill, the Fishery Limn ragement Bill, the Hackney Coach Bill, the Ameri can Trade Bill, 'the West India Commi,sionets' and several Private Bills, without any amendment, and. to the May t q)oth College Bill, with ameudt»ents. ASSESSEI) TAXES BILL On the motion of the. CHANCELLOR of the Ex cnEciviitt, the House went into a Committee on the Assessed Taxes Bill. Mr. Ecus rose to offer some obje&ion• to the principle of the 'Bill, but pn the suggestion of the Speaker, that this was irregular in the present stage, and that there would be ample opportunity on lite future stages of the Report, mitt ;be third trailing, he declined troubling the. Committee at present. — Several , neW clauses were proposed, nnd se, famendmentS orotoission and . Mr. WaitoEt.t., as a cheek upon Vexatious Sur charges, moved that the inspector should sta t e the grounds of the surcharge in the certificate, so as to enable the party to. come prepared to meet it. Va= riOus eaSessof vexatious Surcharge were stated from both sides Of the House, the necessity tif some spe cification ss as allowed, and aa. Amondrucal cake:- lated-to answer the purpose tas agreed to. • Mr. WARDELL also suggested that persons sur charged.should he required to ati!.'.ver on oath only to the particurar obj;ct of the sof ch:trge, and not generally to syvem - to the correctness at We original return in everr . point. After some explanation, the CHANCELLOR of the Excuictoan expressed his intention to take this case into . consideratton, and to apply such remedy as the Case should' require. Anot her A mendment was proposed by Mr. WAR rmt„ foe reducing the excessive penalty 015001. on vexatious surcharges, to a inure reasonable and prac ticable amount of tine, and , for having that amount levied by the Commissioners, instead of making it the ground of a tedious suit at law. On the suggestion of ;lie CHANCELLOR of the. E%ctico.iitt, the penalty was fixed at tool. • On ,the.other part at' the clause the.Anendment was withdrawn, on the suggestion of Mi. smoi (of Norwich), who proposed the pzistponement of the clause, to afford time fur considering an ade quate remedy. The question being put on Mr. SMITICS Motion, a division took place; Fur the poatotmetnent Apinst it Thctirmge . wris7ol'otitii6 agreed to: • On a proposition of the . Cu Aseet:Loa of the Ex- CH EQUEIt to appoint Speeial Commissioners or Jti speetors General to superintend the decisions of Ap peals, with a salary of Gool. a year, with travelling expenees and allowances for clerks, &c. a discussion arose, some thinking the appointment unneeesary. Upon a division the numbers were 1. Ayes • Nues . - . Ic • i • . Major;ty - - -43 The other clauses were then agreed to, and sane new clauses were added. Report to-tnorrow. l'he ether orders being. disposed of, the House ad journed at Four o'Clock, , -TO CORRESPONDENTS. We should be happy in obliging our Comsponileitt, ACsam lry jubire, by inserting his intelligent and well written i.etter, but as it is by no means likely that Any new measures will be adopted in consequence a( the suggestions pro posed by the person to Whom it is 3J:tressed, we conceive that it will bl better to lei maters Proceed in their old ' proper course, rather than tit :rb it by unscasonable dis cussions. . AIAI LS. A RAI L vEo— I Cottenhurgir, r I>uhlin. Dug Gottcn z IVdtetf..lrd: • PRICE OF STOCK . * THIS DAY A T TwELvr. o'cLocK. Consols - 691 I Reduced Ann. - 6Si d y. THE SUN.' SOL/S4 QUIS DICIRL PALSUM AVDSAZ LONDON, WEDNESDAY; JUNE 22, 1808• . A Mail from Gottenburgh arrived last night, but its contents are extremely uninteresting. Coloud MURRAY had arrived with. Dispatche., from Eng land, previous to the sailing of the Packet, and Sir Jou Mootta, it is said, immediately set out for Stockholm, to consult with his Swedish Majesty. SOME of the Papers ,in opposition to Government have 'endeavoured, from the eficumstance of the Report of the Finance Committee not haring been laid before the House of Commons, to throw out ia• sinuations of a dark and mystprious nature, though , at the same time, they confess they are uoae" quainted with the causes which have hitherto del 3 le d the presenting of the 'Report. This mode of pro ceeding, on the parrof the Opposition Writers, ii tw t candii, but it is in perfea union with their gene' ral pritCtice: Against whom the in-iunaf;,es 111 Papers alindcd to arc direEted, wedoi;ot i.now ; we know that the Committee is computer/of Im ffi l resphilable Ntembers from both sides of the Hou se ' and that the Chairmen is a Gentleman, descree,ilY possessed of the confidenc.lof all parties. There , Call therefore be no doubt that such a Committee will faithfully and honourably dis:tharge its dotie,;• jIJC subjeas submitted to the consideration of the Cum' mittee Were of a most extensive and complicate,' nature, and in the investigation of such subjeJs it is by no means surprising that differences of opiniQo should arise; but these 'differences of opinion bY it o means justify such illiberal insinuations as those to which we have alluded. M liia • Yesterday: the Duke of Yo Wait Cd (111 JESTY- at Windsor, and had a conference on rniliu , l affairs. The following t raas are from the Halifax IVO ro the. twth of. May :—" /leas of ihe Eintorgo: - The hltikroptele 4 in New \sort:, previOns t the o loth .of April, amounted to ninctj-one, for ihe ear' • and five thoo'' mous'sunt Of sir -million fire nonetro. sand dollars.—The Vermonters have prote s s!ed the Embargo, which prohibits their trade ►l°•°Wer Canada, both by land and the waters of Lake GOO" plain, as. cutting off the only some of their (troy' pet-4. • The Committee .appointed on Saturday last at the meeting of the Portuguese and Brazilian Nierclwots, which took place at the house of his Excellency thc•' Portuguese Ambassador, yesterday held tivAr flr' t meeting ; tor the purpose 4r consicerinn-itrefr refill' to the questi , ais put to the meeting by his Excelleocf; They met at twelve,' and continued their sit t utg Ooli`• three. They are to gi'e in their opinion Within lice cl-tysi it is to comprehend the extent of every it'l l ". ‘ldta claim, the value of every Ship and cargo, 0 1 exchange at kehich the claims are, to Po c ' ideciied ; and to take care that no injury i s Nal mitted to "the revenues of the PI:INCE lIEGOST-' The opinion of the Committee %Olen-delivered in; is to be submitted to Mr. SecretarY ,CANNING bith e • Portuguese Ambassador, and in the event of his ac - quiescence, a property, the value of which is co i n; noted at three millions sterling, will be deliver°. over to the claimants. - The dhiel Opposition Paper, advert in g to die. noble struggle which the Spaniards are m aking, 1 0 , secure their independence against ,the ferocious, aid unpriaeipled hordes who are ato etl 'l, :attempting I`'B the, akes the following observation . : " " W. m m Officers or ordinary calculators are not Op t to iiiP if" Ise''.4 3 the spirit of enterprise or vigour of . aCtloo , necessary to lead on such an occasion." 'Dos wa cannot help considering as an allusion to 00.1011" 4 • the tonate Expedition to Buenos A)res , a s one . unlucky heroes in that Expedition has l on g hod *i l 3s epithet of Regular attached to his, name. ‘4les not enter into the propriety of the .observation applicable to the person alluded to, but we etnlin we are somewhat surprised: that such ,a reflectl ° should bit thrown upon him in that Pap er, to 532; nothing of so very extraordinary an. attack ortl Expedition planned by the Patrons of the 1 ) .11 4t t question, and which failed chiefly on accou nt `° miserable manner in which it as conceived as as concluded. Letters from Jamaica, dated April 24, have beep received,' which contain the following prices current :—" Flour formerly 3i. CU lre k tlC , s l :t now 1 2 1 . per barrel ; at that time there were 0,000 barrels in Kingston ; the 7i loaf, fort ile t r .'; ' 21• ounces, is reduced to 10 (MOW; hauls, lb:, candles, 2s. per lb. soap, Ftl. per cw.t. botteli: • 4s. per lb. beef, 81. barrel ; pork, 81. lbs. \r , c o o, assorted linens bear an advance of from 70 to '„ per cent. over invoice; Irish porter, 401. Fr t en ' On Monday evening Mrs. Coxa °pencil her 1114 ' ioo • f i rn cent house it, HanoVer-square, for the recoPt Two of her ft tends, in character or fancy dresses. , ins bands of music were prided, and ever,' : resorted to to give eclat to the scene. The c oo)p i , I 0% lock, and stateineat ny began to assemble about upwards of 500 were assembled. The Countess Of SHAFTesDtIaY 4ave one ov,filtil(l7 grandest Balls last night, in Portlmid-place, 4\ ll the annals of the fashionable world call b0t15t..85.01 the leading personages clistinguishiog. t h e the haut tun were invited and wero pte6ent. 1. party exceeded 700 persons. , „ e yvatte• l . 1 The Marchioness of SALISBLTR'Y 1 41 " 3 " Concert at tier houie Artiogton-s;'"', on • ,t day evening. About 400 persons of ta-ilono present . , among whom were the French Princec the. Swedish Anda.tssaditr. fir rite A Common Ilall he lyeld n Friday , election of Sin:riffs, Citam`ierlaie,.. llridgerna • I t: and oUier Ottice.s, elecktt Alidsurn • circl ;21