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TI'RENCII CLAIMS ON MEXICO. Official Reply of the Mexican Government to the ultimatum Of: the French Minister: — Government Palace, Mexico, Mareh 50. The undersigned Minister for Foreign Affairs has laid he- Tore the President of the Republic the note which, characte rised as an ultimatum, beering date the 21st of the present month, on board the frigate Herminie, at anchor off Sacritl cios, has been fowerded to this department by his Excellency the Baron Deffaudis, Charge d'Affaires of France ; and his Excellency the President has commanded the undersigned to transmit the following reply immediately to M. de Lisle : Tbe President hoped from what passed at the last interview which Pl. de Lisle had with the undersigned, that the Baron Deffaudis would have made his communications respecting the .elaims of the King of the French direct to the head of the Republic; but never contemplated, that having once ceased his diplomatic duties, by appointing M. de Lisle as the Chimp d'Affaires in his absence, he would re-assume his offi scial character withuut giving the customary notice to that eeffect. This department not having received any official intimation annulling the appointment of M. de Lisle, can for the present recognise no one else as Charge d'Affaires of fiance. This explanation may suffice for not replying direct to the Baron Deffaudis, which is not from want of courtesy, ;but from strict adherence to diplomatic ceremony, which the , Government of the Republic would be wanting in self-respect were it to infringe. But even if this difficulty did not exist, others of greater magnitude and importance present them selves. The Baron Deffaudis is now actually on board a French ship of war, surrounded by other naval forces, which, although for the present they maintain a pacific appearance, are ready to begin hostilities the moment their chief hears that the proposed ultimatum is rejected. How then can Baron Deffaudis suppose for a moment that the undersigned would enter into correspondence with him, or that his Government would give the due con sideration to his proposals, when he appears in the character of an Admiral making an ultimatum, not as the messenger Hof peace, desirous of conciliating the differences be 'tween France and Mexico? Is such conduct worthy of the civilized nation and Government of France ? It is even more singular, when it is considered that the undersigned, in the communication he made to M. de Lisle on the 23d of February, gave the Baron Deffaudis, on the part of the Go- 1 vernment, the strongest assurances—all that he could desire— respecting his full enjoyment of all privileges and immunities cons . .steut with his station, as well as for his own personal pro tecoion. not only in the capital, but in any other part of the Feepublic where he might choose to dwell, and whence he might place himself in communication with the undersigned, or with any other person whom the Government might ap point. Great, very great surprise, has been excited by this conduct, s ) offensive and injurious to the Republic on the part of the Baron. But these difficulties, however grave they may be, still are confined to the acts of the Minister Plenipotentiary of France, end are of much less importance than the prssence of the French squadron in our waters. This gives to the claims ad vanced by the French Government such an odious character of violence, that the President has not hesitated a singh moment in declaring that nothing will be conceded, even sklPPosing that the pretensions of France were just and ,1 ecieital'ie, as long as these are exacted wish arms in hand, instv-d of the arguments of equity and reason, more becom ing in a so-styled friendly nation. The Mexican nation has already suffered sufficiently from its earnest desire to maintain Peace and tranquillity between the two nations after the rotrival of the French squadron, respecting the object of whose appearance this department has received no other reply to its repeated demands than a contemptuous silence of nineteen days, followed by this 'ultimatum. Nevertheless the Govern ment is far from bletning itself for the moderation it has always manifeaterl towards France. The above wall suffice to show, perhaps to convince, the Charge d'AeJaires of France, how impossible it is for the Pre sident of t:ne Republic to take into consideration and reply to each ar iicle of the ultimatum. But the candour, dignity, and faith of the Mexican Government do, notwithstanding, ce.enpel it to declare, that among the claims set forth by France . 4:C some so unjust in themselves, and so offensive to the Re public, that no power will ever induce it to concede them ; but there are also others which the Government will cheers fully come forward to arrange in an honourable manner. The undersigned will, therefore, refrain from speaking of the style in which the ultimatum is drawn up, as also of the tensure heaped upon the different Governments of the Fede ration ; nor will he allude to the injurious accusations brought against the civil and military authorities, nor to the numerous calumnious remarks which tend to imply that the Mexican na tion is unfit to form one of civilized communities. The opi nion of Baron Deffaudis, however respectable he may be, is, after all, but that of a single individual, and will hardly lower Mexico in the scale of independent nations. If his Excellency really believes that foreigners dwelling in this Republic groan under a long-continued and systematic oppression, the conti nual and uninterrupted immigration of Europeans (chiefly French) who come to establish themselves in the country proves the reverse. And this fact, while it speaks in favour of the hospitality of Mexico, may, perhaps, undeceive M. Deffaudis, as it certainly contradicts his assertion. The undersigned, therefore, concludes by assuring M. de Lisle that the categorical answer of the President of the Re public is, that he will not treat upon the conditions proposed in the ultimatum whilst the French naval force remains on the Mexican coast ; and supposing. as Baron Deffaudis as erts, the dece. initiation of France to be irrevocable, that if the Mexican Government replies -upon a single point in the negative, or even in a doubtful manner, M. Bazoche, the Com enander of the French squadron, is immediately to execute his orders—then, in such case, the President cannot avoid the rupture which must naturally ensue. But the President, through the undersigned, protests before God and man that he has had nothing more at heart than avoiding all cause of hostilities, that he has throughout been animated with a lively and earnest wish to settle their differ ences in a manner creditable to both countries, and that he is still disposed to grant everything consistent with justice and reason when applied for in a manner consistent with the dig silty of the nation over which he presides. And the under sievied protests that neither his nation nor his Government are or will be responsible for the ills and injuries which may en sue from the rupture, but he will never cease to pray that the two nations may once more return to a state of peace and a true knowledge of their real interests. With this the undersigned begs to renew to the Charge d'Affaires of France the assurance of his distinguished consi deration, LUIS G. CUEVAS. SWITZERLAND. (From the Helvetie of the Ist inst.) The Court of Appeal of Glaris had at last pronounced its sentence in the case of the four Catholic Clergymen who had refused to take the oaths to the new Constitution. The parish Priest, M. Tschudi, has been forbidden to discharge any ec clesiastical functions in the canton during ten years, Messrs. Fischli and Reitham during eight years, and M. Etziger during four. The two last being foreigners were ordered to leave the canton immediately. Before the sentence was deli vered M. Tschud; declared to the Court in his name and in that of his co-P. - ccused, that if they had consented to appear at the bar it w' a s because they had been authorized to do so by a special p'..:rmission of their Bishop. He then protested against the interference of the temporal authorities in religious mat ters, and said that he and his colleagues were determined to re:At its decrees. Many believed, on hearing this declara ion, that M. Tschudi would have officiated the next day in spite of his condemnation, but it appears that the voice of reason silenced the suggestions of fanaticism, and that he pru dently remained i n hi s house. This decision created a con siderable effervescence among the Catholic population, and was condemned by some of the most enlightened men of that persuasion. At Nmfels, the Members of the Council resigned their office in consequence " There must be something contagious," observes the Hel vetie, "in the republican atmospoere." Whilst the Queen Victoria's birth-day was celebrating in England with an ex traordinary pomp, the British Charge d'Affaires in Switzerland displayed on the occasion a truly democratic simplicity. So careful, indeed, was he to avoid anything like show or noise, that the fireworks fired at Berne on that day only stood his Excellency in the modest sum of lOof. (4/. ) The open country in Poland has for some time past been deemed very insecure, in consequence of the numerous bands of eutlaws scattered about in various directions, partly occasioned no doubt by the severity of the Russian administration. A Polish landowner during the early part of last month was plundered by a large party in a wood near Praga, but escaped with his life. The authorities at War saw, immediately on receiving the report, ordered some heavy waggons (apparently filled with merchandise, but in reality with soldiers and policemen) to be sent through the same forest. The bait was eagerly snatched at by the robbers, who were not a little surprised, when they were about to ransack the waggons, to find themselves saluted by a dis charge of musketry. The greater part of them were taken prisoners and conveyed to Warsaw. Their leader proves to be an ex-officer of Cj3SUCkS, Mr. Robert Smith, 72, St. James's-street, pur vrror of fruit to their Majesties, and who held the Royal warrant for the last thirty years, was suddenly seized on Saturday with a fit of apo- Pl2Xy, and expired almost immediately without being able to utter a Word. A Coroner's inquest was held last night, when, after viewing the body, the Jury returned a verdict of—" Died by the visitation of God,. At a meeting of some of the inhabitants of Frome, on Monday last, to take into consideration the best means of commemo. rating the coronation of her Majesty, it was resolved that there be a public dinner on that day, and that a subscription be made to distribute meat, &c., to the poor, instead of an illumination.—Somerset County Gazette. The report which was current in Maldon for several days of a boy having been murdered by his father while gathering Perri_ winkles on Southey Island, has proved to be untrue, as he was found a few days since comfortably housed in the Union House at Braintree.— Esse* Herald. A young girl living near St. Etienne, who for some time past had given signs of mental aberration, arising, as it is sup posed, from an excess of religious enthusiasm, was put under restraint a few days back, after a violent scene which she caused at church by in. terrupting the priest in his sermon. She was bled and put to bed the same evening; but, on being left by herself, rose about midnight, went out of the house towards the town half-clad, and, on arriving at the bar rier, found there a band of men trying to defraud the officers of the octzo'. A dispute had arisen between them and the officers, and the girl, taking part with the former, violently assaulted the latter, floor e d several of them, and rushed into the town, the officers coming after her in full pursuit. A sen t ine l t r i e d t o s top her, but she soon lai d him on his back, though, while struggling with him, she was surrounded by her pursuers and a post from the Hotel de Ville. On being taken into a bed for a short time, but soon got . four stout men of the regiment who dint of the greatest violence that she the remainder of the night. In the d, and she recovered herself, but re. of what had occurred. She was given 'mover. ELECTION COMMITTEES. YESTERDAY. ( From our Second Edition of last night.) E STNIE A T H. The Committee met to-day, and the Commissioners to exa mine witnesses in Ireland were appointed in conformity with yesterday's decision. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, JUNE 6. The SPEAKER took the Chair about Four o'clock. Returns were presented from the Common Pleas. GAZELEY (SUFFOLK) INCLOSURE BILL. This Bill was read d third tim MAIDSTONE ELECTION. Sir J. HOB HOUSE reported from the Maidstone Election Committee that Mr. Fector was not duly elected, and that the last election was null and void. Also that neither the petition nor opposition to said petition was frivolous or vexatious. A new writ was then issued for the borough of Maidstone. tardhouse, she lay tranquilly on a • , • ~ and utterly defeated 1 • • p .I.lo4rWait was only by d — lO a bed fort • a••;., ft - '3 fever abated -0 1 z Nt he: slTabie • recollection 11k10110144 • lignans'S 31ei a IA SOUTHAMPTON PIER BILL. This Bill was read a third time and passed. BRISTOL AND EXETER RAILWAY BILL. On the motion of Mr. DIVETT this Bill was read a second time (we believe.) Mr. HAL FORD presented a petition from Leicester, signed by 5,924 persons on the subject of the Poor-laws Amendment Act. They stated, amongst other things, that the workhouse was calculated to contain 680 persons, while the number of paupers on the books was sometimes between six and seven thousand. With regard to the tests of destitution, they complained of the provisions of the Bill, and stated that the average of wages at present received by workmen was not more than ss. a-week. The petitioners further complained that the operation of the Poor-laws Amendment Act was snore applicable to the agricultural than the manufacturing districts, and they prayed the introduction of a better and more equitable system of relief for the poor. Lord G. B ENT INC K presented a petition from Lynn, signed by all the ship-owners and ship-masters, against the Pilotage Bill. Mr. Serjcant JACKSON presented seven petitions from parishes in Cork, Monaghan, and Waterford, against the present system of national education in Ireland. Mr. POWER presented petitions in favour of the Municipal I Corporations (Ireland) Bill. Sir G. STRICKL AND presented petitions from different parts of Yorkshire in favour of the total abolition of Negro apprenticeship. Mr. HUME presented three petitions from Paisley and Fifeshire against the monopoly now exercised by the Queen's printers of printing the Bible. Mr. BAINES presented a petition from a place in the j West Riding of Yorkshire, against any further endowment to the Scotch Church. One from a Clergyman in the diocese of Oxford, against the Bill prohibiting the holding of vestries and other meetings in churches, and one praying for a uniform penny postage. Colonel PE RCEVAL presented a petition from the Apo thecaries of Sligo, against certain provisions of the Medical Charities Bill. Mr. W. MILES presented a petition from a parish in Bris tol, praying for the immediate abolition of the system of neg:o apprenticeship, and one for some alteration in the Beer Act. Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from the in habitants of Bruton-square, against the Middlesex County Courts Bill. Mr. PEASE presented a petition from the inhabitants of Durham, praying for certain alterations in the constitution of the College of Durham. RIOTS IN KENT. Sir E. KNATC HBULL took that opportunity, which was the first that presented itself, of moving for returns relating to the recent unfortunate transactions that had occurred in the county which had done him the honour to send him to that House as one of its representatives. It was impossible for him to allude to those occurrences without expressing the strongest fe:‘lings of regret, and at the same time he must admit that the Noble Lord the Secretary for the Home Department had in the most candid and fair manner stated to the Hous:3 what had been the course pursued by the Government in those trans actions. But one of the public journals, in its comments on the matter had said (he spoke of the Morning Clzronicle), " The remainder of the statement of Lord John Russell con tains a gi ievous charge against the Governors of the hospital, and the father of the maniac himself. They undertook to place him under proper protection, but they gave him into the custody of a person wholly unfit to be entrusted with such a charge. They must manage matters strangely in the county of Kent. The father was allowed to dispose of his son in any manner he thought fit. But the conditions on which Lord John Russell consented to his discharge were disregarded. They must manage matters strangely in Kent, when any man who said he came from the Home Secretary was taken as evidence of the inten tions of that Minister. It was the business of the visiting magistrates to have taken care tha,t the conditions on which Courtenay was to be delivered up to his father were complied with." Now this statement conveyed a strong charge against the managers of the Kent Lunatic Asylum and the superin tending magistrates, which he (Sir E. Knatchbull) would meet by moving for certain papers to which he apprehended the Noble Lord could have no objection, and which would sa tisfactorily elucidate the subject. It had been stated that the Magistrate bad issued a warrant against the person named Thom, without any information or deposition whatever. Had the Magistrate so acted he would have done wrong : but it was not so. He ( Sir E. Knatchbull) had himself seen the depo .. sition on which the warrant was issued, arid, in h's opinion, the Magistrate had no alternative but to issue the warrant. It was stated that the unfortunate officer before he was wounded, stabbed the person who shot him. This was con traryto the fact. There were other cireumst.nces which would hereafter admit of full explanation, and he should therefore content himself with having stated the facts which he had done. He should move for a copy of the order of the commitment under which Thom was received into the Kent Lunatic Asylum—copies of all applications which had been made to the Secretaries of State for his discharge—copies of all correspondence between the Secretaries of State and the,visit ing Magistrates as directors of the asylum—and a copy of the order for his discharge. Painful as was the duty which had been imposed on the Magistrates, he was confident that they had done what they could for the preservation of order, and he did not believe that any wrong impression prevailed in the district. Lord JOHN RUSSELL could only express, as the Right Hon. Baronet had done, his deep regret at the occurrence which had taken place, and he thought the Right Honourable Baronet was perfectly justified in asking for an explanation, as to what fell from him on a former occa sion, in consequence of the inferences which had been drawn from that statement. He did not say any thing which was intended to convey any charge either against the visiting Ma gistrates or the Directors of the Asylum, because the fact was, that upon the statement which he had received, he thought it right to direct that a pardon should be issued for Thom, and that being the case, it was not in the power of the visiting Magistrates or Directors of the Lunatic Asylum to require that any other conditions than those contained in the par don itself should be complied with. But the motion made by the Right Hon. Baronet would not give the whole re sult of the transactions which preceded the liberation of Thom. The first representation that was made to him upon the matter was by the father of this person, accompanied by his wife, who were recommended to him by two Members of this House—one of them the Master- General of the Ordn ance —vouching for the respectability of the parties. The father then made various statements with respect to the state of his son's health, and told him he might be perfectly assured that if he were permitted to take charge of him, instead of allowing him to remain in a lunatic asylum, he would prevent any mischief that might be apprehended. He (Lord J. Russell) had then stated to the father that it was not to be expected because his son was then perfectly harmless, and presented no appearance of violence, that some paroxysm might not occur which would render his going at large dangerous, and that he could not agree to any proposal, unless the father engaged that a proper person should be near him for the protection of the public in case any future symptoms of violence should appear. That assurance was given, and he ( Lord J. Russell) thought it right to state it, as that conversation would not be contained in the papers moved for. As the Right Hon. Baronet had re. ferred to the statements and reports made in the papers, he ( Lord J. Russell) thought he was justified in referring to the statements made by a Noble Lord connected with the county of Kent, namely, that certain Magistrates of that district had made representations against the liberation of this Thom. He ( Lord John Russell) denied that any such representations had ever been made, and, on the contrary, he rather inferred, from no such representations having been made for some weeks during the progress of the application, that there was no immediat e a pp re h ens i on o f any v i o l ence . Undoubtedly neither the visiting Magistrates nor the Directors of the Lunatic Asylum had any discretion in the matter—they were bound to obey the order for his liberation. With respect to the farther statements that had been made, he was glad the Right Hon. Baronet had corrected some of th em ; an it ap peared to him that the conduct of the Magistrates had been as judicious and prompt as the circumstances would admit of. He doubted, however, whether, on the first appearance of this man, the attention paid by the Magistrates was as prompt as it ought to have been. He had received from Dr. Poore, a relation of all the occurrences that had taken place, in which it appeared that he had only heard of the matter on Tuesday, the 29th ; from the statements made by Dr. Poore, it appeared to him ( Lord John Russell) that all that could be done under the cir cumstances was done for the purpose of preventing disturb ances taking place. He would not now go further into the sub ject, except to move that in addition to the papers asked for by the Right Honourable Baronet, a copy of the letter he had received from Dr. Poore should be laid on the table, because he ( Lord John Russell) thought that what Dr. Poore had done, and the steps he had taken, ought to be brought before the House. Sir E. KNATCHBULL agreed with the Noble Lord tint the letter of Dr. Poore ought to be hid on the table of the House, but that motion would come far better from the Noble Lord than him. Mr. HUME wished to make a few observations before the present question was disposed of. He did not rise to make any objection to the production of the papers that had been moved for, but for the purpose of calling the attention of the Noble Lord and the House to the lamentable loss of life that had taken place, with a view to the adoption of some measures to prevent suc h an occurrence i n i future. No man n that House could but express his surprise that such a state of ignorance as had been shown in the pre seat case should exist in a county not 50 miles from the Nletropo lis, and inhabited, as it avowedly was, by some of the first men in the country. If such an occurrence had taken place in Kilkenny, or in any part of Ireland, it might not have been the subject THE SUN, LONDON, THURSDAY, JUNE 7, 1534 of so much surprise. But he would venture to say that such a:tato of ignorance did not exist in any part of Ireland. He wished to ask the Noble Lord opposite whether suchigno rance did not prove to him that, though there was a Church called the people's Church, those who officiated therein had paid very little attention either to the moral or religious in terests of the people ?—(Cries of " Question, question," and " Chair, chair.") He (Mr. H.) would fearlessly assert, not withstanding the cries on the other side of the House, that that was the question.---( Cheers.) Sir E. KNATCHBULL did not rise to order, but to appeal to the good sense of the Hon. Member. At present there existed a strong feeling on the subject throughout the country, and those who were necessarily engaged in the un fortunate affair, would as necessarily have to undergo a scrutiny as to their conduct, and their c h a racter must yet come before the public. He would put it to the good feeling of the Hon. Gentleman whether, under such circumstances, it would not be better to postpone any observati. ns on the case which were not absolute!y necessary.—(Cheers. ) Mr. HUME did not wish to mention the name of or allude to a single individual. It was of the system that he coni pla;ned—a system which left Englishmen in a state of brutal and disgraceful ignorance.—( Hear.) He had very frequently called the attention of the House and of the Go vernment to the absolute necessity of educating the people. He rose for the purpose of doing so again, now that the atten tion of all was directed to all. It seemed as if it we e only by such occasicns, lamentable as they were, that sufficient att ent ion would be aroused to the absolute necessity of a comprehensive system of education for the people, fir he attributed the whole of what had taken place to the state of brutal ignorance in which they were left. He would say no more upon the sub. ject than that he regretted to see a Clergyman of the Church of England taking the field.--( Loud cries of " Oh, oh.") Twenty years ago he had stated . that if the names of clergymen were entirely left out of the Commission of the Peace it would be much more for the peace of thesountry.— ( Oh, oh.) He had iisen to ask the Noble Lord if he did not think the facts of the case did not impress upon the Govern ment and the House the necessity of no longer delaying a mea sure of education ? He could not sit down without comment ing upon the great readiness of Gentlemen opposite to put down all observations upon the conduct of clergymen—they were public servants, and their conduct was fairly open to oh servation.—( Oh, oh.) Mr. WYNN did not wish to prolong the conversation, but ho regretted that an Hon. Member had so impro perly dragged in, upon this occasion, an irrelevant allusion to the conduct of the clergymen of the Church of England, who had the strongest claims upon the respect of all classes of the people in this country. The Honourable Member for Kilkenny had attributed those melancholy trans actions to the want of education amongst the people. But he (Mr. Wynn) Niched to remind the House that the fol- L>weTs of Richard Brothers and Johanna Southcote were not confined to the lower orders alone, but included persons of the highest attainments, and the most excellent education.— ( Hear, hear.) The best education would not prevent the most delusive influence upon religious subjects.—( Hear, hear.) CHAPLAINS OF THE HOUSE. Loud J. RUSSELL appeared at the bar with her Majesty's answer to the address of the House respecting three of their late chaplains. Her Majesty stated that she would take into consideration the best means for effecting the wishes of her faithful Commons on this subject--the prayer of the Address having been that benefices should be conferred upon the Rev. Gentlemen in question. WATERLOO ANNUITIES. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER laid upon the table certain rapers respecting the Waterloo Annuities, and their transfer to the management of the Commissioners of the National Debt. 961,0001. had been vested in trustees, for pensions to the widows of soldiers killed, and to soldiers wounded, at the battle of Waterloo. The trustees now wished the Government to manage the future permanency of the arrangements. This was the object of a Bill which he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had introduced (so we under stood). TITHE COMMUTATION. Mr. LEFEVRE gave notice of a motion for leave to bring- in a Bill on the subject of Tithe Commutation. DECCAN PRIZE MONEY. Mr. HUME gave notice of a mo:ion for returns with re gard to the Deccan Prize Money. SLAVERY. Me. BAINES gave notice that he would draw the attention of the House to an Order in Council of the 25th of April, in the year 1828, for the securing of a more adequate supply of food to the apprentices of British Guiana, and a more correct classification of such negroes, with a view to effect similar objects in other British colonies. WOODSTOCK ELECTION. Sir J. GRAHAM rose to present a petition from William Gray, the agent of the Marquis of Blandford, one of the sitting Members for Woodstock. The petition arose out of the provisions of 9 Geo. IV., respecting controverted elections. The section provides that five days at least before the day ap pointed for the consideration of such petition, the lists of objections shall be exchanged by the parties, and conformably to that section the officer of the House had appointed a place for depositing such lists, namely, " a room adjoining the Com mittee Clerk's office, in St. Stephen's-court, New Palace Yard," and that attendance should be given "on the 22d, 23d, 24th, and 25th of January, from twelve o'clock till four, and on the 26th and subequent days (Sundays excepted) from eleven in the forenoon tilt the end of the day, that is to say, twelve o'clock at night as shown by the clock in the office." He would row shortly state the allegations in this petition. It appeared that on the evening of the first of June ( Friday last), William Gray, the agent of the sitting Member, sent his list of objections by two clerks, whose names were spe cified, to the room appointed by the clerk, namely, the room adjoining the Committee Clerk's office. They state that they arrived there at a quarter before twelve o'clock— that they found the room open—that they saw the direc. tion on the door of the room—that they Cound a lamp burning and desks in the room, but no person there ; they were aware that twelve o'clock was the limited point of time at which the list was to be deposited; they stayed for some few minutes, but considering the lapse of time they became alarmed ; they then went to the lobby of the House, and saw two messengers, one of whom was asked where the clerk was that ought to receive the list. The messenger informed him that although in the fi rs t six weeks of the Session it was usual for the clerk to attend till twelve o'clock, since the lapse of that time it had not been usual for the clerk to attend after eight o'clock. On receiving this information the clerks returned to the agent. He told them instantly to return to the House, and endeavour in some other room to find a clerk to whom to deliver the lists. They instantly returned, but before they arrived it was half-past twelve. Finding the room closed, and that it was impossible to deliver the list, they inserted it under the door of the room, and went away. On the following morning the agent himself came to the House as early as ten o'Clock, before any of the Clerks had arrived, and in point of fact the delivery was not made till 11 o'Clock. The agent for the sitting Member communicated to the agent for the petitioner the circumstances which he ( Sir J. G.) received from the a gent f or t h e pet i t i oner, h e h a d no Cad narrated to the H ouse , an d f rom t h e answer which he doubt that a formal a n d tec h n i ca l object i on would b e ta ken that these lists were not delivered within the " five days at least" prescribed by the Act of Parliament. He did not think it necessary to enter into any technical argument of the meaning of the words " five clear days previously"—that was a question open to argument. The sitting Member was anxious to shew that there was nothing like concealment on his part of the facts of the case, and to show that everything which caution prescribed was done by him, and if any error arose it was not his fault. If, under these circumstances, the defence of the seat was defeated, it would be o wing to occurrences for which the sitting Member was not responsible. • No one o bje c t e d more th an hi mse lf t o th e i n troduction of such matters in the whole House, as it forestalled the con sideration wh:ch the case required before a Committee, He regretted also being obliged to bring the matter forward the day preceding that on which the petition was to be taken into consideration ; but it arose from the circumstances which he had stated. He confessed he had some difficulty in knowing precisely the course he ought to take. He had found no case exactly analogous to the present. His first proposition, how ever would be, that the parties making the statement should be heard at the bar of the House, and if the facts were established, he would then move that the order for taking the petition against the return for Woodstock be:discharged, for the purpose of fixing it for the Tuesday following. In all cases of postponement the rule was that fresh lists should be again exchanged between the parties, and that could be done if the House assented to the proposition in the present instance. He had now stated the facts simply, and upon that statement he trusted the House would allow the petition to be laid upon the table. The petition was then read at length by the Clerk at the table. Sir J. GRAHAM said he would move that Wm. Gray be called in, to give evidence as to the fact s o f t h e case. If, however, a doubt existed as to the propriety of acceding to the motion with which he meant to follow that up—the postponement of the Ballot till Tuesday —it might be well to argue the question first. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL doubted whether the House had the power to interfere, and still more if it were expedient to interfer... The case was allowed to be unparalleled, and he considered it would establish a most dangerous pre cedent to accede to the application. The question would come before the Committee; at the same time it mightbe proper to hear the facts first, and to call the Clerk of the House before it, to see if he abused his powers. Mr. C. W. WYNN observed that into the doubtful ques tion whether the Committee had the right to decide as to the proper time fur receiving the lists he should not eater, though he admitted, if it were decided in the alternative, they (the Committee) ought not to be biassed by a decision of the whole House. On the whole, however, he thought the House might grant the indulgerce which was asked. Mr. O'CONNELL—If ho thought the Committee had the power to decide this question he should resist the present motion, because he thought there was no body more incom petent to act judicially than that House. But lie felt bound to look at the statute law, which prescribed that the lists should be delivered five days before the case was taken into consideration, and to admit that if the omission in the present case was caused by the neglect of the clerks, the House was bound to afford a remedy for an infraction of the law resulting from the conduct of its own officer.—( Hear, hear.) After a few words from Mr. AG LIONBY, Mr. Wm. Gray was called in and examined. In answer to Sir J. GRAHAM—Was employed by the Marquis of Blandford ; returned to London from Wood stock on Friday, the lot of June ; had a consultation that day with his Lordship's law advisers for the purpose of settling the list of objections ; the list was completed about a quarter past eleven at night ; delivered it then to William Goodwin, my clerk, with instructions to lodge it with the Clerk of the Committees before twelve o'clock that night, according to the direction of the order, dated December, 1837 ; my clerk returned about half past twelve o'clock, and stat , d that he had been at the Clerk of the Committee's office ; that he had found no one there ; that there was a lamp burning there, but no person to whom to give the list ; desired him to return immediately, and if he found any cne there to leave with him the list ; was afterwards informed by his clerk that he found a messenger in the lobby of the House, who informed him that during the first six weeks the clerk of the Committees remained in his office until twelve o'clock, but that afterwards he went away at eight ; saw the clerk next morning, who said that he had put the list un der the door ; went next day myself to the Committee-room at ten o'clock ; asked the messenger if the list had not been placed under the door; he brought it and laid it on the table, and it was afterwards taken up by the clerk of the Com mittees ; I immediately caused a copy of the list to be made cut, and had it sent to Mr. Coppock, the agent for the sitting Member, that day (Saturday); sent also a letter, of which this is a cony. Mr. oto N NEL L objected to the reception of the letter. Anything that had occurred after the day in question could not be received. The matter lay narrowly in whether by the tic fault of the officer of the House this party had received any clisalvantage or not. Sir J. GRAHAM saw the force of the objection of the Hon. and Learned Member. His object was to show that Lord Blandford and Isis agent had done everything in their power. Mr. Gray, in answer to Mr. O'CONNEL L—lt was not more than twenty minutes after eleven o'clock when Goodwin left my office in Bedford-row to go down to the Clerk of the Committees' office. The witness was then ordered to withdraw. _ _ _ Mr. Goodwin was then called in, and examined by Sir J. GRAHAM. He deposed that he went before the hour of twelve o'clock on Friday, the Ist of June, to the room which he had been told was the Committee Clerks' office ; but he Lund no person there, neither was there any person in the room called the Election-office to whom he could deliver the list of objections. The witness was examined by Messrs. O'Connell, E. Stan ley, Aglionby, the Attorney. General, and the Chancellor of the Exchequer; but his answers were to the same effoet. Mr. William flardhig gave similar testimony, having ac companied the former witness. Mr. Chalmers, senior clerk of the Committee Clerk's office, sail that it was the duty of the clerks in the office to receive lists of objection; the junior clerk was expected to attend until twelve o'clock ; Charles Frere was the clerk in attendance on Friday, June I ; the upper room was o:at in which the lists should be deposited; he did not know if any lists had been found under the door. Charles 1 7 z...1.e stated that he had at:eaded the Committee clerk on the Ist of June, from five until twelve o'clock ; he attended to receive the exchange lists; he stopped in the inner office ; there was always a lamp in the other office ; the lamp was burt,ing there at past twelve o'clock; the order of Mr. Ley, the. clerk of the house, was, that the lists should be deli vered in a room adjoining the Committee clerk's office; he did not know the room referred to in Mr. Ley's order. Wiiliam Mitchell stated that on the night in question a per son inquired of hint where the Committee Clerk's office was ; he pointed it out to him ; the person told him there was no one in the room ; witness said that was strange ; there was a light there ; it was half-past eleven o'clock. Sir JAMES GRAHAM considered that the allegation in the petition was borne out in the evidence. He rested his case on the fact that the directions of Mr. Ley had not beets obeyed. The petitioners had done their utmost to comply with the order, and had failed. He would, therefore, move that the order to take into consideration the . Woodstock petition be discharged, and be taken into consideration on Tuesday. Mr. AG L lONBY opposed the motion, on the ground that the usual practice of delivering the lists ,vas contrary to the order of the clerk. Lord JOHN RUSSELL did not think that the parties had displayed much intelligence or used sufficient diligence, and as the Order of the House had been departed from, he thought no other course was left them than that pointed out by the Right Hon. Baronet. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL suggested that the ballot should take place to-morrow, and no objection made to the list. After a brief conversation, Sir J. GRAHAM said that his Noble Friend (the Mar quis of Blandford) had no objection that the ballot should take place to-morrow, on the honourable understanding that no objection should be made to the list before the Committee, —( Hear, hear.) IRISH CORPORATIONS—TITHES. On the motion for the House going into Committee on the Municipal Corporations (Ireland) Bill, Sir J. GRAHAM asked, whether it was proposed to go through all the clauses? Lo - 'd JOHN RUSSELL replied, that he intended to go through the Bill clause by clause. He intended to propose on Monday a resolution respecting tithes, and should endeavour to have the resolution printed by that time, with a view of bringing in a Bill upon the subject. In reply to Sir J. GRAHAM, Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that he intended going on with the Corporation Bill before he had any lengthened dis cussion on the subject of tithes. The House then went into Committee. Some amendments were made. The report was brought up, and oriered to Le taken into consideration on Monday. COUNTY-RATES BILL. Mr. HUME moved the second reading of this Bill. He complained that, according to the present system, those who regulated the rates were appointed by those unconnected with the property which was rated, while those who paid had no check on the administration of the funds. It was, he thought, time to put an end to this system. It was his opinion that the county boards ought to be appointed by the rate-payers. Great abuses had taken place in the adminis tration of county funds, and those abuses the House ought to correct. An irresponsible body taxed 11,000,000 of people to the amount of 700,0001. or 800,0001. a year. The prin ciple he wished to introduce was, that representation should be connected with taxation. He complained of the absence of Members on this occasion. Ho moved the second reading of the Bill. Colonel SIBTHORP moved the second reading of the Bill that day six months. Lord DUNGANNON supported the amendment. Mr. R. PALMER said that he felt bound to oppose the second reading of this Bill, as he for one would be most un willing to take away from the County Magistracy all controul over the county-rates. The Magistrates, through themselves or their tenants, paid a very large portion of the county-rates, and Inhere, he should like to know, could they find a body of men who, on the score of interest, would pay greater atten tion to the expenditure of the county-rates than the Magis trates, by whom the principal portion was paid ? He must also add that he had heard no general complaint on the part of the rate-payers against the present system ; and from the county with which he was more particularly connected (Berk shire) there had been no complaint whatever. Mr. INGHAM opposed the Bill, because he did not con sider that there was any evil whatsoever in the present system to justify the alteration proposed. Only one petition had been presented this year in favour of this Bill, and as it had been now two years before Parliament, if the evils described by the Honourable Member for Kilkenny really existed, there would have been a great, if not a general feeling throughout the country on the subject. Mr. BROTHERTON supported the Bill, because he was anxious to see representation go band in hand with taxation. The Magistrates were eligible under the present Bill, and if they discharged their duty to the satisfaction of the rate payers, there was no doubt but they would be again elected, and that they would exercise the influence which they now ex ercised. There was a general feeling throughout the coun try that whenever there was an appointment to be made, or an office to be disposed of, the County Magistrates attended in great numbers, but they left the management of the county rates in the hands of a select few. Mr. C. P. VILLIE RS concurred in the concluding ob servations of the Hon. Member fur Salford (Mr. Brotherton), and could state, on the authority of the Chairman of the Quarter Sessions of Warwick, who, after an experience of 17 years, said that this was the invariable practice pursued by his Brother Magistrates. In his opinion, the present measure would be extremely useful, inasmuch as it imposed a responsi bility on those who were to have the controul of the county_ rates. At preseut the Magistrates were wholly irresponsible, There was even no :neans of testing the fitness of the Magis tracy to discharge their duties. The only qualification re quired for the appointment to the Magistracy was one hun dred pounds a-year in land, and the friendship of the Lord- LicuLnant.—( A laugh.) It was not necessary that a Magis trate should have ever looked into a law-book, or have heard a case tried—no proof of his fitness to the office was required, and yet this was a class of men to whom was entrusted the whole controul and direction of the county-rates. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL concurred with the Hon. Member for Kilkenny that it would be extremely desirable that there should be some sort of check imposed more effec tual than the present one upon the expenditure of the county rates, not that lie thought such a check necessary on account of the misapplication of the funds, but because he thought it would afford greater satisfaction to the people—( Hear, hear.) But though he felt this, he felt at the same time bound to oppose this Bill, because, looking at the Bill as a practical man, he saw that the machinery of it created eleven thousand parochial officers and eleven hundred other officers.—( A laugh.) Now, he must say that the evils that at present existed would ho more than counterbalanced by any advantage that would arise under this Bill. He must also say that the additional responsibility which this Bill imposed would not be compensated by the increased expense. An other reason for not supporting this Bill was this, that the Magistrates at present had not the power ad libitum of asses sing the rate-payers.—( Hear, hear.) The Legislature had provided that for certain purposes a rate should be made, and to those purposes the Magistrates must apply the rate, so that there was a very strict limit upon abuses. On these grounds he felt hound to oppose the Bill. Mr. D A RBY denied that Magistrates were irresponsible. They were responsible to public opinion, and under public control. Their object was to keep down the county-rates, and complaints against them were more generally of par simony than of lavish expenditure. He should support the amendment. Mr. CA YL E Y said that the magistrates were virtually re sponsible, because their property was directly involved.— ( Hear, hear.) Whilst be admitted the principle that taxation and renresentation should go together, he was not prepared to , a e r.) , ;., the cumbrous manner proposed by the pre sent Bill. Mr. HUME replied. Lord J. RUSSELL begged to state, that ia voting, as he should do, against the second reading of this Bill, he did not intend to vote against the principle that some alteration should be made in the present system. He thought that in a matter involving the expenditure of so much money, there should be some more appropriate and, he must say, some more popular mode of administration. The House then divided— For the Bil1.. Against it Majority against the Bill 6B EXPENSES AT ELECTIONS BILL. The Home then went into Committee on the Expenses at Elections Bill. The question that the preamble be postponed was agreed to. On the question that the Bill be considered paragraph by paragraph, Colonel SIBTHO RP said that he intended to have opposed the Speaker's leaving the chair, and he must say that he was astonished at the celerity which the Right Hon. Gentleman left his place.—( A laugh.) He should therefore now move as an amendment that the Chairman report pro gress, and ask leave to sit again. Mr. EIUME contended that they should consider the Bill in order to remedy any defects it might present. After a conversation, in which Mr. Hume, Sir E. Knatch bull, Mr. Jervis, Mr. Darby, Mr. S. O'Brien, and Lord Worsley took part, Mr. HUME, in reply, said that those who were sent to that House to perform a public duty, ought to be returned free of expense. But it would be unfair to reject the Bill because lion. Members objected to some parts of it. If the House was averse to throw on the counties and boroughs any of the expenses, they might alter the clauses, and let the burden still remain on the candidates, but they need not throw out the Bill, and prevent the carrying out of the other provisions. _ _ The House divided, and the numbers were— For reporting progress Against it 43 Majority —2B The House ace,,rdinnly resumed, and the Chairman re ported progress. COPYRIGHT BILL. Mr. Sergeant TALFOURD having moved that the House should resolve itself into a Committee on this Bill, - Mr. WARBURTON said that he believed that the Hon. and Learned mover of the Bill had some alterations to pro pose, and he would therefore ask him whether he had any objection to go into Committee pro forma, that the alterations might be printed, and that the House might have a better opportunity of considering them ? The ATTORNEY-GENERAL cordially joined in the recommendation of his Hon. Friend the Member for Bridport. As the Bill stood there were many difficulties, especially with regard to encyclopaedias. Mr. Black, an eminent book seller of Edinburgh, well known to the Speaker—( Cheers and laughter)—info , med him that as one cf the clauses was worded he ( Mr. Black) would suffer much with regard to encyclopmdias by the retrospective clause. Many of the articles were entirely new, and at the expiration of the twenty years those articles might be claimed by the authors or their heirs, the whole encycioptedia would fall to pieces. —( Hear, hear.) His Hoe. and Learned Friend was willing to alter the Bill so as to remove this objection ; but there were other clauses which also required correction, and he hoped that his Learned Friend would agree to the proposal which had been made, and which would promote the ultimate success of the Bill. Sir F. POLLOCK agreed with his Learned Friend in suggesting the committing of the Bill pro forma only. He was prepared to oppose certain parts of the Bill on behalf of the publishers in London, whose interests ought not to be overlooked ; but if there was no objection to the present sug gestion, he would not then further trouble the llouse. Mr. J. JERVIS must take care that the interests of the printers were not injured, and he agreed in the recommenda tion of the Hon. Member for Bridport. Mr. Sergeant TALFOURD was not opposed to take the course which seemed to meet the wishes of the House ; but he thought that it would be most convenient for hint then to state the chief alterations which he would make, because he believed that they were simple, and that their statement would serve to tranquillize the apprehensions of most respect able persons who entertained great fears as to the Bill. The chief objection of the publishers was to the clause which was most improperly termed the retrospective clause.—(Cheers.) He ( Mr. Sergeant Talfourd) had never consented to that term, nor was it correct, because the Bill sought only to se cure to authors of the highest merit the advantage of their own labours, and that these copyrights which acre now existing should not be subject to the injustice of the present system. He had, therefore, proposed that the existing term of copyright should be extended, and that the authors should retain that additional copyright in their works, and that when the present copyright had been assigned the pub lishers should be content with that interest for which they had bargained and paid, fur it was not the publisher, but the author to whom the extended term ought to be given. To the justice of that principle he still adhered, but he had received fi - om most respectable parties and eminent publishers so many corn plaints of practical inconveniences resulting from granting an extended term to authors who had assigned their whole inte rest, that, after considering many expedients, and having tried in vain to find a provision by which justice might be done to these gentlemen, he had determined to propose that the clause should take effect only where the author had reserved the whole or part of the interest in the copyright, and that where the author had absolutely parted with his interest, the term should cease.—( Hear.) tie bad reason to believe that this alteration would be perfectly satisfactory to the gentlemen to whom he had referred, and that in accepting this concession they had gained nothing for themselves—that they wished for no boon ; and he was bound to say that during the opposition which they had given to the Bill, he had personally received the greatest courtesy, and that they had exhibited the most enlarged views of the interests of literature and of authors. —( Cheers.) He believed that this alteration would meet his Learned Friend's objections with respect to encyclopaedias, but he had a special clause to bring forward upon that point, and also some other alterations. He wished only that what was right with respect to this great measure should be done, acid though delay was inconvenient to himself in consequence of his professional engagements, yet he was quite willing to defer to the sense of the House.—( Hear.) Mr. HUME was sure that it was but reasonable that the alterations should be made, and that the Bid with its amend ments should be printed ; and although he consented that this step should be taken he would vote against the Bill in every stage, for whilst it would only do good to 1 in 100, it would do great injustice to the other 499.---( Loud laughter.) Ile felt strongly that only 1 in 500 would be benefitted, and that the Bill would be disadvantageous to the other 499. Sir EDWARD SUDDEN, understanding that the Bill would only be committed pro forma, with the view of intro ducing alterations, some of which would meet his objections, unless any other gentleman wished to divide the House, would not now stop this arrangement. Still, however, the Hon. Member for Kilkenny was not more opposed to the principle of the Bill than he ( Sir E. Sugden) was, and he intended to oppose its progress in every future stage.—( Cheers.) He did not intend on that occasion to enter into any discussion, but he would briefly state his opinion of the abstract principle of the Bill. He was one of those who thought that there was no common law copyright in the author beyond the manuscript when it was written, or whilst it remained in his own posses sion. He had come to this determination after much consi deration, and he thought that the case was clearly distinguish able from a patent right.—( Hear, hear.) He had taken some trouble in drawing amendments to the Bill, but he would not tender them upon that occasion, because the only question then between himself and the Learned Sergeant was, whether the Bill should be passed or not. He would oppose the Bill as long as be could, because he believed that it ought not to be passed ; but if it were passed, he would, as he had ever done, bow with respect to the opinion of the majority, and endeavour to make the Bill as serviceable as possible to the public.— (Cheers.) If the Bill should meet with the support of a ma jority of the House, he would then propose his amendments, one of which was to cut down the term of sixty years to a term of forty years ; not, however, that he at all approved of so long a term as forty years, for he would only give a term of seven years beyond the death of the author ; he would allow an original term of twenty-eight years, as the author now had, and if he should survive, then an extended term for his whole life. There was, however, this difficulty : if the author should live long, and his books should be in demand, he might provide for his family ; but, in case he should die early, this might be frustrated. He ( Sir E. Sugden) would, therefore, give an absolute term of seven years after the author's death, which would be sufficient to enable the family to send forth a perfect edition of his works, and thus to make a provi sion for them.--( Hear, hear, hear.) He did not quite un derstand whether his Learned Friend meant that the extended term should, under all circumstances, revert to the represen tatives of the author, and that he should not have power to dispose of it. His Bill was doubtfully worded, and he trusted that it would be made definite. He agreed that the publishers ought not to complain, if they obtained all that they pur chased ; but why should not the same terms be extended to poor authors, to whom it would be of greater benefit, as were given to those who were rich enough to retain their copyright in their own hands ?—( Hear, hear, ) He represented neither authors, nor printers, nor publishers ; he stood there to do his duty only as a Member of Parliament, and he trusted that he should on some future occasion be able to state grounds which would satisfy the House that the Bill ought not to be allowed to proceed. Sir R. INGLIS said that if he ever had reason to com plain, it was with his Learned Friend for tempting the House into a general discussion upon this Bill; and as his Learned Friend had stated his unqualified opposition to the Bill, so he ( Sir R. Inglis) would say that he had been and still was its unqualified supporter—(Cheers) —and with this observation he would content himself upon this occasion. Lord JOHN RUSSELL had no objection to the course suggested by his Learned Friend, but he confessed that lie viewed with no small degree of apprehension any legisla tion upon this subject.—( Cheers ) It was not, however, on account of the publishers that he entertained any apprehen sion. He had seen some persons concerned in the most eminent publishing houses, and he thought that what had been stated by them with respect to the Bill was only just and reasonable, and he thought that the Honourable and L ea rned Gentleman admitted that what was just and reason able should be admitted. He (Lord John Russell) did feel apprehensive, however, that when the expectations of the authors and of the publishers were satisfied, there would be no small neglect of the interests of the public. —( Cheers.) With regard to the interests of authors, the Learned Gen tleman was ready to concede that those who had bought the ge neral interest of the author in the copyright ought to enjoy the whole right ; and he ( Lord J. Russell) knew one author of no inconsiderable merit, who, Inivin parted with the whale of his copyright, thought th a t h e h a d n o ight by act of Parlia ment to resume what he bad sold.--(Ches-cs.) Then again with regard to the interests of the publishers", the L carne Gentleman would d ou btl ess take care there should be n. distinction between future lecrlts and those in which the pa .. fishers had already acquired an interest. Still be (Lord J• Russell) saw great danger in legislating upon a lam' by which!. though incomplete . _ the interests of authors, of publishers, end of the public had been adjusted. But there did seem to ham the danger that the new law might make provisions by IT"'" in the end the public, who were not the parties the most s ..` arP : sighted in such matters, might find that the great damage "r " 5 done not o ily to their own interests, but to the general tcr.sts of literature, and the progress of information and keowe ledge. It was proposed to give an author a longer time with his work, and then to leave it for a certain time to hi; heir; and executors. The Right Honourable and Learned Gentleman (Sir E. Sugden) had pointed out several of the objections that might arise from this ; but there was one whic h had not been as yet mentioned. It was to he considered that' the question of copyright was not a mere question of teree t perty, but one into which questions of opinion might arise. I might chance that the heirs of an author might ecte: tats opinions political or religious, opposed to those maintained in the work, and might in consequence think it advisable that the work should be suppressed, and the result would be that the pub he would be deprived of the work altogether. He would oil pose the case of the pro se w or k s o f Milt o n coming into the hands of a person who diff ere d w ith th e writer's ontnie'' s re specting the royal cause during the ci v il ;var. Would ar:l74 man contend that the public would not have had gre at a ' just cause fer complaint had they been suppresses COry sequence of such a circumstance? He was firmly ;' °l/.. vinced that no Bill lied ever been proposed of more c o "' sequence, or which required more mature consideretiott, than the present.—( Hear, hear.) Looking at the preee4 state of the law, although it might not be very diffie rillt to make out some eases of hardship as having arisen from it ins regard to the works of a few persons of great eminence as' authors, he must say he was notwithstanding strongly of opinion that on the whole the interests of authors and the public gentel(?) , were under it very well provided for, and he saw great difficulty in any attempt to frame an alteration which was likely to place the matter, as regarded ett W ir " ties interested, in a better position than it now occep4gli The Honourable and Learned Sergeant had stated se" ra d of the hardships which 'pressed on authors, and had sugges te as many remedies ; but there were many cases of hardshiy which be had not at all touched upon, and which he (Lord .0- Russell) firmly believed no legislation could remteeee should only, in conclusion, endeavour to impress on OW H° ll ^ . ., and Learned Gentleman the non-advisibility of proceedinf legislate upon the subject without most mature considera:ikeo % for if they proceeded hurriedly, and without duly eveiginW, the interests and claims of all parties, he very much fe are9 they might he led into a coarse which not only might be co 4" chicv ous to the public generally, but injurious to the prceNe l : tion of these works of great and important interest, of wb s e" no country had been favoured with more than England. , Mr. PR AED thought it very unfortunate that the N oy Lord should not have taken an earlier opportunity of expre sP ing his sentiments with regard to the principles of the rne4‘v. sure, which he sincerely hoped, despite of the tone cif Noble Noble Lord's remarks, might yet pass into a law. Mr. BAINES quite agreed with the Noble Lord in StrJek.', ing that in the drawing up of the Bill sufficient attention lk not been paid to the interests of the public. For his pa rt P 4 was perfectly convinced that there never was a Bill introduc e into Parli; ment so fraught with mischief to the public intereisat as the Bill now before the House.—( Hear, hear.) He property in the nature of copyright, and he had some OP' rience in that description of property, and if lie were lu suit but his own interests he should be favourable to the He, however, so strongly felt the objections which mightlsr urged against it, in regard to its effect upon the interests - the public, that he felt it to be his duty to give it every oPP sition in his power. Lord DUNGANNON thought great praise was due to th e' Learned Sergeant for his efforts to throw some light upon.ilt subject of copyright, and sincerely hoped those efforts Wig be crowned with success. Mr. Sergeant TA LFOUR D confessed he had not eePe ete a cl e that the Noble Lord, after allowing the principle of the me at sure to be discussed during two sessions, should only th en „ the eleventh hour awake from his apathy to object to rte , pole positions. He should not then attempt to answer the ryow Lord's observations, but on that day fortnight he should ". to proceed with the Committee, and then he should cella° . endeav The our to reply to them. the Bill was then committed pro forma, after which Chairman reported progress, and obtained leave to sit aP that day fortnight. LORD'S-DAY BILL. On the motion of Mr. PLUMPTRE, tne Lord's -day. di ta was committed pro forma, (with the view of being Pre°, ore with amendments), and ordered to be further consider a the 26th instant. • MARRIED WOMEN'S BILL. Mr. LYNCH moved the second reading of the tarried Women's Bill. a as an Sir E. SUGDEN opposed the Bill; and moeee,, site amendment, that it be read a second time that 11°Y tr. ont hs. Mr. LYNCH replied. Tile House then divided— For the amendment 56 Against it 2l Majority against the second reading —3s HIGH SHERIFFS BILL. On our admission to the gallery we found The AT TORNE Y. G ENE RA L opposing this Bill. One of the clauses forbade the Sheriff to go out to meet the Judges, and prescribed that he should meet them at their lodgings. Now, he was attached to the present escort, inas much as it was an old custom—(Cheers from the Opposition) and one which was at least harmless, and was, in the cpini° of Mr. Justice Blackstone, calculated to inspire a due respect towards the representative of her Majesty. He felt bolla d ! to move that the Bill should be read a second time that day three months. * After a few words from Sir G. Strickland , M r. J. feri'' Mr. Sergeant Jackson, and several others, offeCrueldona fewelD A w l, o 7 r l d E s S in , b r ye ply, and dthe said ßill t h hadthat feelingb e n thein t r:odnusceeLdoer, the House to be against him, he certainly should no t press t" measure any further. The amendment was then agreed to without a division. APPRENTICESHIP SYSTEM. Mr. PE ASE moved for " papers relating to the state of the hospital on plantation Bulthyock, in the colony of Of z ?, k Guiana, and to certain legal poceedings connected there:,ch",:i as contained in the Guvernment Notices' inserted in the itogh Gazette, under date March 20, 1838; also of the names o f the justices constituting the court before which such proceedinna_ were heard. Copies of correspondence between them iss i b e ries in the colony of British Guiana, or any of them , an e 0 late Sir James Carmi c h ae l S m i t h, as , Governor, on the suhi ig of certain restrictions imp ose d b y au th or ity upon the ' sa : c i sionaries, or any of th em , as to t h e exerc i se of his or their r gious duties. Copy of any petition, memorial, letter , or aPPe`'ci cation from plante r s i n B r iti s h G u i ana , o r any party comic:: a therewith, for permission to resume the use of the wh i p t he stimulus to labour in that colony. Copies of despatches from re late Governor, or the acting-Governor of British Guianit.o_lt lative to the rejection of certain Bills, presented to the (-; ° l b of Policy by the late Governor, Sir James Carmichael SonlYor and the Attorney-General, and the message of the Govicratio to the said Court of Policy thereupon. Copy of disP a Gle from the Mauritius, in answer to the dispatch of Lord flow nclg, dated sth August, 1835, on the subject of the inaa. c _iped emancipation of 2,000 negroes, unjustly and illegal l y C o py of as apprentices subsequently to August I, 183-I. C4)J),lr petit:on or memorial for the rem ov al o f the Honourabl ,P e. and Justice Scotland from hi s o ffi ce i n th e i s l a nd of TrinicisCorde the correspondence connected therewith. Copy of a n y f food in Council or corresp on d ence re l at i ve to th e allowance of to apprenticed labourers in the island of Trinidad." r , w .ct The other Orders of the Day were then disposed cut the House adjourned at twelve o'clock. • Aof We see by the London journals that on Wrednes`.,,,lit at Covent garden Market, green peas, of which there was only on e ; . 6 3 d • basket in the market, were 30s. per quart, asparagus, very fin , s 1 0 ' per bundle, French beans (is. per 100, mushrooms 9.5. per P° ttle . c s al' Paris, green peas are to be had for 2s. 6d., and the other vegetable most in the same proportionl—Galignani's Messenger, EIGHT-DAY CLOC,, ie far e to strike the Hours and Half-hours, Five Guineas each. .`""for, in elegant cases, about 7/- inches high, suitable either to 01 sA' bracket or mantel-piece, and are Warranted, at T. C ° Lood ° VORY'S, Working Goldsmith, &c. &c., 47, Cornh ill, f a detailed the (Seven Doors from Gracechurch-strect). pri N ce . s l3 o . f — s A ily p e a r m p p ia h t l e e , t p eo l n at t e a d in G in o g od d z w w it a i t g e s h a e n s d , had gratis, or will be fora arded in answer to a post-pa ... __ _— -- _ B I R TII S. wira o ' On the 2d inst., in Portland-glace, the lady of Jamesof a Esq. O , of a son. herroa ll ' °f n the 4th inst., the lady of the Rev. James -- daughter. laaY On the 2d inst., at Tees Cottage, near Darlingto nthe Thos. Brown, Esq., of a son. ___.------------- • . -------- MARRIED. f li 1 r• B - On the 2d inst., at St. James') Church, Clerkenwe"' 1 elcleA Wilson Challener, of Newcastle-on-Tyne to Sarah An n ' daughter of J. Dennett, Esq., of Pentonville. D lED. On the 3d inst., at Cheltenham th Dowager Lady ton, aged 62. ' e $V On the 2cl inst., at Drayton Beauchamp, the Rev. Charles muel \Voodd, eldest son of the late Rev.ar°3, wood & aged 43 ' ;„, his On the 30th nit., at Bordeaux, B. Trail, ' Esil' - Henry Grant 35th year. Belle On the '2d inst., in London, Vincent El. of Vaughan , s ' Hatch House, Henle y-upon-Thames. c Anslie, On the od • - inst., at Woolwich, aged 16 months, Geor g e 1 second son of Captain P. Sandilands, R. A. •eut• On the n 15th of April, o h.the Arauritius, Li , nis passage from - . / 4,00, F. W. B. Al'Leod, 35th Regiment,-only f Captain 3 son o Chelsea Hospital. On the 3d inst., at Twickenham,Mrs. Anna aged aged 90. Southarer On the 4th inst., Jane, widow of S. Palmer, Esq., of George' street, Portman-squar ed 59 oth 3' , 1 1 e, ag . n e ,t i u t.. at Llydiade, Cardiganshire, George Parry, Esq., aged 52. of On the 4th inst., in Soho-square, Stanley Richard, infant son Osborne Delano Osborne, Esq. of oTniOn the 2d inst.. at Chelsca, Elizabeth Laurie, formerly both Bell, widow of Wm. Bell, Esq., Ayleshain, Norfolk, born th° 4th of June, 1769. Da At Peckham-grove, on the 4th inst., Harriott Sarah, seco daughter of the late H. J. Chalke, Esq _—.. Willianig London : 'Printed and Published by 2,IURDO , 112, strand, at Tita Sun Office, No. 112, Strand, in the coung of Middlesex.--Thursday, June 7, 1838. .