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I plete sticceqs With which its execution waS crowned.. It remained to ingaire, whether the principles . ,upon Which it \V'as executed, were contrary to the 1,114 Nationi, VCccinling to that code as laid down_and a:led on in old . times, before the bond in which it had united all civilized Nations was burst by fhe,French itevolutien.- The first right that grew out of that law, as well as of the' law of `nature, was the right of secuPity, a right,- which.. could not be limited by any of the rights of neutra lity; a right, that it could never be disgraceful for • any - Nation to aa upon, because it was' the most imperious atiti sacred. duty of nations to assert; .and imsequently• the most urgent and glorious duty. of those who undertook the 'administration of a nation's These he confessed, Were not new prin, eiplei, they were not. , tlie principles of the French school .; nor those of the new schools 1,0 had lately, heard talk of. let it.seems a 'g."l..Tal cry issaised against England, on account of this .measure.t— The voice of Europe is said to condemn us—was the voice of Europe now free ? or did any ''Power or individual in it Venture to breathe a sentiment hos tile to the views of Buonaparte, more especially to his' projea of humiliating. the naval supe riority of England, the source of her glory as• well as. of her. wealth and power. Vittler all these circnmstanceS, he coujnrca their 14ordships, to pause befOre they would. cast any reproach on. a measure which had Struck so formidable a blow' against the designs of France, and which "cornbin ed in k all. the elements of splendid. achieve moms, wise councils, dextrous management, .gi!aneforesight. He implored them not, in tang bo som of present:security, to look back upon past dangers, with' a view to censure those Who had per. for Med a service of great.magnitude, and thereby to strengthen theeause ofthe enemy ; lest fUtute nisters, in'a case'. of similar urgency and equal dan ger, should be deterred frond emulating the present: glorious example, tinder the apprehension of being stigmatised as the violators of neutral rights, and the imitators of 'the injustice of the enemy. Lord litireWNSONAnired the able speech of the'Noble Lord WhO'preceded bins, but'did not rise to follow hies' over the wide field of argnitent be had (tone over. kliS objea Was to itisist upon tine chief point, and sortie others that ornewhat personally concerned himself. The Noble Lord then proceeded to read severatextraas from Minutes which ho had taken of conversations which passed between him and the Emperor' of Russia, subsequent to the Treaty of Tilsit, From these it appeared, that. the Noble Lord, in a conversation with Count Strogonow, had admitted, that cinder the, circumstances in 'which his Imperial Majesty was placed, he was justified in mak ing peace. The EMperor, alluding to this conversa tion, asked the Noble. Lord, if he still :Whet ed, to that opinion : to Which the Nob!o Lord not only an- Siarered in' the . affirtnative, but arida', !hat every thing which lid since happened tended,to confirm him its that opinion. The Emperor Alexander had also corninunicated'to him the terms upon 'which the'Emperor of the • French was willing to make peace with England, and these terms he did not bf. sitate to say were - not only equitable terms, in his Opinion, brit terms perfectly honotrrable for this Country.. The paint, however, oh 'which the No hic.t4Ord would now chiefly insist, iga.the attack on Copenhagen, and that that alone bad alienated the Emperor di. Russia front us, and indhced him to de clare war ag;iinit Eitgland. That it had incensed his Imperial Nlajesty to :such a degree, that . , he re peatedly declared . ho should never make peace with. England, midi declared, satishaion had been done to her by this Country. This wars his own private opinion also, and he. would InSi4t, till.the.hour of llis , death, that our condua at - Copenhagen was the sale Came of,the war with Russia. / Mild) was said of the difference of opinion which prevailed in Russia on these paints. • In Russia, as in othercountries, a variety of opinions prevail ;, but the general opinion of the, better ifirornsed, condemned the Copenhagen Expedition. 'As to What was Called the English Party in Russia, they did little honohr to the Cohn try' whose cart c prefesi to esponse. Their° sentiments were; he eas stir``:: no real Eng lishman wonid'thi'el: r):,iioptitig, Th e N o bl e L or d 'duchy invei2iy.! th,e; curt - dot:1s: li , ,ngnage in 'which the cliaraler of Attie A10:.%1.n. , ,ftr it was a diaig,raesi to this ciriintry, nctte:v not have been • ondured ; when I tlts C6ti%itry : }ever al lowed itsoll to , -;p:!;1!: - of ioreign I.).)tentates . :.and reign nations, but of Oeorinn slid . civility, And triat OMt v at War with them. He waSsarpr:vd at the liberty that bad been taken with his dispeoNts, And at the language arsd siemitnepti which ;;oputc , dtnititn tll another Once : OntiiioWi to be codeqed from scraps awl extr.tAs ; the i,vtluit, of hid - corres.: , poiidenee arid p'iO ought so have:been pub pitied, and • from thoin, riillr tively lid cis, au idea should be tiraWn of the tendmcy of his .opinions. !I' he 'minutes of the c4svers,:itions winch be .had bad with the Einpirror Alexander, he had Colli municated to his Majesty's Ambassador at Peters burgh, and knowing the honour of that Noble Lord,, ltu was sure they were transtnittedby him ,to Majesty's Ministers. They could net therefere ignor;int of I s OpinlOtift, The Noble Lord cob eluded with repeating his conviaion, that the - war With Russia was wholly and solely 'occasioned by the seizontbitho Danish !Meet. Lord - ERSKINE Contended, that not only the rapers moved for by his Noble • Friend should be produced, but also- whatever information had been received respeaing the lava! preparations of Den mark, or the intentions of that 'Power to join'in a maritime confederacy against this Country. Thin:Was information which, ha concluded, would not be pro duced, because no such information had been re ceived, and tbus the House was to be left without a single do.:ument to support the extraordinary, un precedented, and to justitiiible meastires against Co penhagen. This consideration of the hoitility of Denmark was now wholly put out of the question, and the aa was defended on the ground of the Law of Nations'. Hut he would contend, that no prece dent for, such a measure - was to be fonnd in the - Mi.. tory of Europe, It Wan by the principle oS the :Law of Nations that' the condua cit.:Miuister3 was 'to be judged", they were not'theh called upon to atiprove or condemn - the -- thing; or its au titers ; they wanted infornmtion'tnerely to emth;',.! tht!in try fo'rm a ilifigititm thiq ccuki in re;:dlng Liaory Of civilized tiatioh, tat Was the progiv,,v it:Lyn/mm:4 that Wd6 to bte traced in . law and civilization a - mout`the the world, This was the first instance in which the prittelpres 'of - that - ameltertion ha& beep trampled upon by us. Revolutionary France was, the ill !.,t to violate thoselprihciples, Old in support of diem for our secuAty, we had *cried on a war against that Country at the expellee of two hundred millions 61 money. France then made the Treaty of Piluitz her ..pretext,_a.s.. this. Country now does..that of Tilsit. France gave them no evidence of such a Treaty, nei- titer do Ministers now. He had Opposed the Co-vein mencin the late %var.-not because he condemned the principle, but bet. , ,aeise he did not think that the war would aecoMpliSh lea - professed Objea.' He opposed . the war upon that ground-, t hough it Was supported by the watchless eloquence of the Minister who theu presiqed over his Majesty's ; an eloquence which far exceeded any thiriglhat had ever been ex hibited.in any esseirtbly of a civilizett : nattert, %This Country bad always put itself forth as the Conser-: vator of the Peace of the World ; and well she might, standing as she doeS upon a rock, inaccessible to the cdmition enemy. If she had persevered in her' honourable career, the tyranny of the Continent' woi:ild go when the Tyrant vas gone. What , would . have been the opinion of other nations of this illus. ! tribuS Country, ifshe had made..sacriff&s . 4ind en.; countered risks in 'adhering to her old principles. 'So far' frotn gaining ;security .by abandoning them, she exposed :herself to ruin. In his .Opinion, the Law di Nations had been violated; . and , he should explain his notion of the matter bra Very simple' illustration., If a fire were to break out 'in the Hay- , market, it would be justifiable to pull clown an ad : joining house to prevent the spreading of the flames : hut a man would be by 110 means justified tor:pull ing, down his neighbour's house, sit Hyde Park, lest the conflagration should reach his house ; still less. on a rumour of such a fire, when no tire had taken piece in the Haymarket, 'or on a report alone that some malicious . person intended to set the house there on. fire. He would prefer that France had the Danish Fleet, rather thaii we the enmity of the Da- MA people. They thought they had get' rid of danger, but they had got into the midst of it. The conduct of the English in ,the massacre of all the Dames' in a reported invasions by Sweiti; recorded in the first volume of Mr. Hume's history, teas an me ' logousease. Theinvasiem did take place, which had not been before in contemplation, and a dreadfnl re taliation was , the consequence. If the .fact was that Denmark was hostile, we should have.encountered and beat them manfully, instead of giving them new names, as the gypsies do to the children they steal. He should vote for the'Motion of his Noble Friend, because the information he called for.was absolutely necessary to enable their Lordships: to estimate a measurei which had rendered the hostility of the whole world, :which had been before forced and re loaoot,, both hive and voluntary. Lord. BO R G D PAT 6b4er ved - that a noble Lord opposite - (Lord Hutt:lll6smq had transtultted patches libilie,'Stating there had been secret Articles attached to the Treaty of Tilsit; and especially One that might lead to hostility with this Country, and tilatti Weeks before he had -received an account of the Expedition to Denmark. After that fa& how i could the noble Lord state that the war with Russia had arisen out of the Expedition, and nut out: of the Tre'- ty of lifsit. As to the reforenc'e made to the 4-a ll _ rity of the use made of the Treaties Of curl , Tilsit; he should only observe, that a noble - Baton (Lord Grenville) had- stated in, that .House," he h e . lieved no such Treaty ai the Treaty of Pilniti isted. . But if it had exis!ed, there was analogy between that which had ne'secret articles anti thav of Tilsit, which had. (In the 'general tntestion 1 1 6 ctintended, the Danes had not the Means of ',resist ing the French force on their iroutiers. The neces sity of the ease justified Ministers in this Expedition, ,the principle of which was redically the same.upon which the Handel Madeira had been captured last war. As Ministers Were:in possession of intbrinatiott relative to the intentions of the French Government: and the total inability of the Danes to defend them selves, their conduct 'was tblly justified. Ear/ 'll(ICKINC 1 / 4 11/S1UEE, thought more ofneial docuMents ought to , be produced:. The De claration of his Majesty stated that,secret informa tion had been received which led to the attack upon Co t tenita;;en but all the statements their Lordships hairheard, skewed - that thel;xpeditiott had sailed before any intelligence had been received of the Treaty of Tilsit. Never lied . l'arliailient juStilled the principles of a new , war Upon such information. The conduct of Prussia to Saxony had heel'', mention eft as . an analogous Case ; but the: King , PruSsia had received a Copy of the Treaty coneltidedagainSt him, and afterwards, to remove the Odium of the publiihed the Treaty in his Deelaratioq to the 'World. As to what noble Friend (Marquis Wel- Lesley) had Said of the diffietilty of defenditig,the Pas- Sage of the Belt, he had the authority elan eminent -Naval Officer, to say, the anchorage for large Vessels was very good, and with a proper ma - tuber of Gun boats, a naval force stationed its the Belt could pre-; vent, the passage of any considerable force from the continent to Zealand, Th 6 Danes he concluded would have defended theinselVes,and it, as had,been stated, as the ground of the VOte of Thanks,' they had j 5,0 0 -0 Troops it) Zealand, this forcei with the 2:4,000 they had in nolitein, would enable them to, defend the island ekanally. E l ven if France had threatened Denmark as she bad Portugal, who could know. brit the Cro'Vn Prince would have retired to 'Zealand as a place of security, as the Prince Regent had,td the Brazils ? He eensidered a vier Withltus sia as inevitable, from the Conclusion of the Treaty of Tilsit, and therefore he thought the Riissian fleet ought to have been seized, and with that in our i)ci,S , session, we pbould hive had tt:better chance of snc 7 ceisful . 'negotiatien. As to the ittavii. Upon the 'Danish fleet, and its sobs 'g o ! tent capture, he feared this Country would have caiay.:.! to lament the ditiou, " 'canto tempus Brit, in etnn optaverat4toptum; " 041 spoliA INAdigintiutt', , " Othrit." Lord ifiIIiTIOITBY contended, if we bad not seized on the Danish fleet, the Thinei would hate taYen the first ovortunity to enter into the Priaritinie. , Confederacy this Country, *as in the forcuL;r instance, which led to ono of the greatoNt oav ; il itehicv( - ..,otentsrecOr;L:d t.iUr ...vas per lyips this very aCiiittven4.:iit that nohie I.0!(15 to think we were so bccer against o...rantark. But there was a great difference, bit which it wits iliffio l it t o trace, betweuu that tle,;l - 4e of (I;inacr, v.7.11ie1l could li'reSii,ted by ordie,er , means, t \ teit de . 4sj an iMpendieg necessity. we seere not to • retegrifrioaCtive whilst the enemy W,14 rt l i ittal I after inept() his apeouut of in.ems. against Ass. . If e Buonaperte had declared, in the must entheotie men tier; tt -.eafi - his intention to seize the Danish-Ili:et, such a decimetre - tcould not lave reodered iii Oh, jeA mere obvious. It was.hupossible te,appoSellae naperte,.after..hav-ites.annihilateci.sphe- Artuies ot. ha.e Continent, 'would 'have gufired Denmark to retain her indtipendericj. We tied trusted to the DeClar::- Cons ofaciimsri: toolong. She had notnieritd - stich confidence ; she made no preparations for defenee, It was only e‘ilien the EngliSh and Hatteveriarts were advariciog 'to rescue the North that she' essein'eled, Troops in Holstein . . .The" information of .the seer arrangements at Tilsit •reached this Country preVieus to the sailingef the ExPedition; which was prepared for another purpese, Lint direaed to that with a promptioide; alacrity, and vigour, that refit:o'4l44 highest credit on the Government. The'Eepedition was fully jusGfied en the grounds whist) were i riche anti therefore- no more• information was 'ne cessary. If We had a morel certainty that - fbeEnertly intendettro - seize - rmentral town for our annoyance, we would be idStified in anticipating him, though in. the •ebstraa the, aa nol be just.. le4,,seis.eue,.. priSedto tied stick hot Far expreSsed at just.. to Copenhagen,hy those who had approved of the 1::Xe pedition aVteit Constentinople. He could easilycona; Ceivo one Might approve the at ttick iipon col= hap 11; whilst he disapproved of that 'to the parkiiutelles ; he ooldeoneeiyetteat a person might , cdndenni.both,but he could scarcely think it possible ter. one to approve theattadteopots Constantinople, 'Where there was no obvious . necessity,emdcondemn that. a - gainst Copeit hage,n,V.ll4:' wits' ;se OeceSsary Rer our' seen!-ity. There Was one great difference`betweeiViVern ,:one was completely successful, and the other hail com pletely failed: ...I\l6 prinelple of ‘.the LaW of Nations had been violated, for this Country had been . actiek Upon the pliticithete 'self-710'6116e, and , olt st . lCh grgonds,as would justify 'in individual in aggression. Theeiterny had departed from the Law of NatiOns, and we were consequently not.biiondto adhere to, it. If we had adhered ete the principles of the Noble Lords on the other side', 'in the late disturbances'in Ireltind, we should begoing to law with the leabiKs . , whilft they, were going to war with us. Upon the whole, he thought that his Maiesty's Ministers hid in titled themselves to the approbation el that 4-lou4e, and to the gratitude of their Country: , Earl 11101 RA asked whether our proud princiPleS of public faith, our high notions of national honour, -were to be abaedoned, and we Were - now to imitate theTrinciples of , Buonaparte, which we had sci of ten reprobated;? All the 'excuses ,which had' hitherto been made for the coudua of the 'Danish Expeiitien Were now Cait away, and the broad principle de fended upon the ground of Speculative convenience only. I le had no doubt that there was no part of Eurepe in which BtiontiParte had not sought the means of annoying this Country ; for be had pros' 1'630 to do ho. Bin what presumption Was the-e, that Denmark had any „collusion with France' This,. :hoWever, Was s'Ap4rfluous, beCause the in tention of Denmark was new pet out of the tines tiee, -and the attach - jteititied on the ground that the fleet miehthectripltiyed,agaiost: this Country; But the policy of I.Xinruerls was - clear 'atid.dktinct, not so Much from her adunl force as from there ' lative sitwition: of the. parties. The colleelion of the Danish..ferce in' 'ffolstein was, he wks in cline to bilieve e anterior to' the period mentioned by the Noble, Lord (Lord Harrie.vhy). it was on the attack, upon Henover, .by t he French, that the • Danish army. assembled. on the' frontier to their•nentrality: If the !Yews hail been attacked, lie was: convinced thet, as they Were, by Prince who exposed knee...ft to' every danger in de fence of his country, tiny would have fought brave ! . it was not from numbers, but from disposition, that we could' calculate the, prospes:t success. Buonaparte had not attacked thelbees,:because the . inoMent of the attack would throw, them into the arms of England: If they hail 35,000 men in Z2a land, that tierce wOuld enable them' to , defend that Island against any army ; and, even if the Euemy should land, it would be sufficient to defend one 61.,the Strongest fortresses, which would-be open to receive supplier,. whilat_the Enemy ihonld be:cut off frriet all conimunication, except by means of 4 superioferaval force. He should prefer that Buonaparte had dbuble the amount of the-Danish Fleet, than that ge. should have tarnished our honour.- . The subjugated Powers of the Continent yielded, a reluctant stibnaission to France, tvaiting for an oppertnelty to throw otr the yoke.' But ter this they must.look to a conntry . ontainted . in honour as a ralkeing point. Such this conntry bad been till this tatalEmwdition. He sin cerely wished, that Ministers could make out agood defence, which *old- acquit the 'honour of the Cpuotry. Bat if their Lordships should reject the motion of his Noble Friend,. the whole Country would join in the Condertmetion of the authors of the Expedition. If Denmark were really hostile, 'why leave her in a condition to be still a thorn in our side ? If the Expedition were joStifiable on necessity, it • must be aOnal, and .not speculative necessity. The line was easily drawn 'by honour and by integrity, and not by'snch principles as would serve as a Justi . fication for any tyranny. There .was in *the people of this Countria noble principle, which made. them laugh to scorn all calculations of any superiority of :force. The enemy can !Add ships, 'having all flit!. 1113ter;21S, and is not limited as to the time of carry'- iwitge are n () threat ,.v e n a g g a a g i c o o s nt a war in s yc o h: e n x ?l c nt r e l. z c i a : ina n ,re . ; step- may be ruin. This false step on rain ; .; hut it brings us nearer toit, for it• has.dC_ strayed all.hope of. a faveniable change in Europe. Jlo was sorry abetter e ase had not been t uadiettr. HoW, will the Country - stand before Europe;:; if . die Ministers evade. the question and shelter thorns Ives behind declamation. . All 'Forty was out of the qeestien-.On this occasion. If the,Ministers should hying forwtnel infortnalion to.juStify themselves, he, would be.the first to appland their condOt. -Bet. if they slid}:ilcl grant no more informatien, they would l i i ncur tiro d e ep eandemnationof the ConntrV's , The'. people 'silent, 'net from :'rat 11y,' but;hefett:tte.' they leeked to.the Oerision'Of , wag plos , Ad that tees had uL.Crested their dMl , :lec. i' n •; v:lte f a r,mGiap,.toast the.y might, wlwo goadc.d in 'bale:, or taunted by Fitirc:v,ln. ha - taftipi,?,l to.imitrg e ; ; a precedent wh;cla, was better kept in the • hy,4,:ti ..t * htth'N'e'c'thser"Auce , • He had listened with Wen- , lien to the 'speeds of the Noble Lord on the other side (Lori Hutchioson), for whose talents no person entertained a higher respe& than he did, bitt did not feel hit opinion altered. Howe ver it might treat's , the curiosity of the public to have' Bleat Potentiles introduced into these discus sions, and private conversations with such eminent .! -ssersenages detailed, he would appeal to - their Lard - - :; ships whether such a course was wise. —.What culties might it nut impose upon future Noi;ociators , with - whom foreign Princes would not be inclined to cotnntaiticate, lesfltlreir conversations should be twde public This was likely to be telt in any future negociation, - for we ,were not to be for ever at war With, itll the world. As to the Expedition to Copenhagen, that wasfully justi fiable, because he could sheet', that froth the com mencement of . the last war the Danes had been hostilely disposed towards this Country. They cA. , couraged and allowed privateersand enemies' vi 3 eli to carry their prizes into Bergen, in Norway,. and to sell them there, condemned in a Court tormed bX the French COesnl at that Port, -In the year 170 . his . Majesty's- Ministers felt -theAhterats of thii coontrysoaffe&ed by the condua of Denmark, that they sent instralions to our ,MiniSter at Petersburgh; to intrent ofthat Court to join its remonstrance with thosefof boriginister at 'Copenhagen, to procure an al tetationiU 'the hostile belies/ ionr: almimiark: SOcil also had been the opinion or, the RuSsian.Cou;:t.rera tive tolhe sentiments. of that of Copenhagen, that when sending . a fleet .and army to co-operate the allies,.it was, apprehended that thel).lnes itiould have attempted to prevent them from passing t" Sound, in - which case even the Hessian- Commander, by secret orders, wa4 dire&i-dittiltfild the' troops slid attack Cdpenliagen. cistantq' , of Deninark lia been equally suspicious during ,the List,tweni y.eaOl If the sixteen ships of the line, Which untierstood werein the;ports of Russia;, Were irddcd - to the cO belanging to Denmark, there would be . ito doubt that the 36, whatever might be, the gallantry. of the king of Sweden, would have forced: his t of the line to Co-operate' \chit . thtii - rn The Nti b `" Lord could not leuk,npon a fieet.iiite4hat a" in considerable force; especially, in a ; pert so eon' vm eent for the Itivit4ioo of hr land; ' the Pas" sage north about. As to the;.statp of Leland, 1 5 )N. could assure. their Lordships, tot the . loop , °f that country were no longer 'divided , by religious , pre a judiees, and ; SVdtilil be ready to defeant then country against anyinvader. They unde.istOo4 tee well w hat a conquered people had to e,xpe& front the French Despot, not to be prepared to .risk every thing in the,defence of their Country. There were still a tat of the. Jacobin fa&ion in the Country, cvlto wer e ready to do any mischief, and it was, not to be wen* dered at if they had succeeded in sedticiug a few den _hided peasants to .join them in their riotous,coursz The great body of the :nation Was sound and loyal, and a French invading force would, in no - paeref the Empire meet a more general or 'determined re sistance. ha The Earl of JERSEY supported the motion; contended that the • necessity.was not so 'Clear ,115 tit warrant the-attack made on .Copenlinen , `Tilt: re vva>r no evidence that Deittnark was , nor tirspos , d to resi 4 t any attempt qiaje by, Fr'ariCelo, iuterfi:re, tv'ith her neutrality ; ,and the;l3ritish orival-,Prce ani,elat at least have enabled tics - Dani4l) army to keep .4Z031,44 to defiance of all that France could cio to obtain pus" session ail. .1 ". fiord- HA /P 1 R.VINZY was anxious to . _Lear . opinions of as Many Noble Lords as possible before he came todeliver-hire" but his anxiety to . .reply to some obser.-atidna thin had dropped from soniti Noble Lords opposite, Would not allow him to (tete addressing the Honse any longer. So well. s=t 6 ' 64 was he of the justice and propriety of What had hoen done at Copenhagen, that he would, if it had been . necessary, have shed the last drop ef his blood to' have accomplished it in the inannerit'had.boo-. felt4' Noble Friend who spoke second i nstit is dew te, l E OO° elOquently gone over the whole chatter (lithe cesc,tbil t little remained for him to do, e....x.ce 7 t to re-statc to reply to the ohjealoits that had been thrown uot• His . Noble Friend' had beau arraigned for expressiiii a disregard of moral ties and obligations, but he ha' not clone so. He trusted th a t inor.'. ot)ligat ions ‘v u e• - as much regarded by him e n d hi s N o ble Friends as by any other persons, and tiler reit ii interes; r " r dispense with that regard i n th e pr es ent iostance: F:ixPedition to Copenhagen woolcl sintid julstifiL v oi) the highest prineiples of public rig! t, It 't'a i necessary to define moral principles. 'There could be no difference list° the nature of those principles or thd thities resulting from them. It was o}rl is the al } ' t Plteation of the principles to faAs that any doel 3P ' could arise. The Law of Nation's ..W..15 /0211ded. i s the Law,of Nature; and oneuation was bound to 3 1 . 1 T• ther 1n the earmiion-we,liii of Status, just as elle halt' victual was b;iund t -`) ilmAther in civil society— Th.o only diii*nce.was, that in civil societY there were tt'.- lxttrtals to. 'between man and man :in toe et - NW mon-weattb of Stat es t h ere was no such tribunal, eti!. -_ the differences-of on e S tat - with anot h e r wet ej-u. -, t two indhldnals were-tonarrel in a stete'onw before there w as any . trib q unal,'any umpire i . between them. If one wielceli , and -viole ei p ers ! , were to make an attempt on another, :end_ t° ead d el e , your to get pbssession of all 'Possible means I ,`' - L e* stroy him, would not that other be wanting ,') linty to hiMielf, if he did not labour to anticipate I ' l fi in getting possession.of ihese means ? It thecae rr i 4 should be determined to a tta c k the house, and siloc i , get possessiOn Of the threshhold,would it uOt be ht'ttr l , 4 , to drive him from the. threshhold, And get pa ws st. .of it for the defence of the house? The two que 6 " l ",' principally ,for,the consideration of their I,ordslir: were, stovilether the-thing was necessary. to be doe and secondly, whether being necessary, it bed bu lro ' execrated in the mildest manner. The merits °ft 141 edition resolved themselves into Owe -di stll,l a uses. The: fir,st was,. whether the enemy lied 191111 0 - 1 . a design to unite all the Powers of Europo in f r , `solved league against us, and whether he the `solved to force Denmark into that league) sl ed econd was, whether the enemy having wr l7 , e i, the design, it.was praeticable; and thirdiY. the sign being entertained. and being.prieticable, ,sx! as to tiler the objet tgtAliet was. of snehMagnit ude warrenc a deviation from all the rules of ler°Pr ic , i v ; . No doubt cOuld be entertained of the iutentitscr"ie the enemy, froM the time that the shtltting of port4.ol th Continent-.against Brit a in 25 the certain consequence of the ~ T reat),' 4) , ,e e l, w and :when the torts of Prsia were, ~)" I