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in. IMO Peg It it hen rte • iU ;irV. e pf [ler% een. ntr [se the Lary ord [oVO oW' Clif f, Lhis L-A the nov de- AWL en ,. 1):1* butt 411 4 be gl)t- 114' it tt Lit" L'AEI ~.'y (f 1' ~~,:, 3 , 11J' ,war r -- rt••• - 0 ,6 (el 10 17,. ot! i to, C I br 1 'l5 1i CLI C 1).:° ; _.}~ ~` Il lness of a similar ehassa t • but no ib any • g reat A • • auniber. Q.His any amendment already tateri place in file course of tits 'Majesty's disbrder, and dpes the Penance - of such amendment continue at pre sent ) -e-A. His Majesty is certainly I better now, • . than he has ,been at-somes ' periods of his - present in disposition -. position ; I do not thibk' that of late there has • 13 een an appearance of much improvement. Q. Cad you assign the present disorder of his s ialesty to any partieular cause I ,have no mtibt in my own mind that his complaint arose out af the : great ,affeaion that his- Majesty had for his deceased daughter, god the great affliaion that he kelt daring her icing . and tedious Q. When were you fust.called in. to see the - believe it was- on the 25th of Oc tober.- : 4, Q. Were you in the habit of • attending on. the , ing.befoie this lilt - W.ss. No, not at all. (si. Did you never visit the King, as a patient, be • fore this NO, never. In ordinary_ cases, would you suppose, that a pa tient:Was More likely.to recover from a mental ma lady, beeriaffeCled.with mental milady three or tour 'tithes previously, than if 'he had never been affeaed do. not koow very well what 'an ‘ver to give to that. question,: I think it bears two ' • ways; it appdats.to me., that where a person has }iad an, indisposition with certain symptoms-three or for times; andhas recovered, it always gives a-con siderable presotnetion, provided the constitution is not snaeh s seeakened in its powerS, that the person will rover again -al the same - time it may be said, thatthe ,snsceptibitily to thsease ii increased by the ttutnbgr 'el attacks, and in that point of .view the pergba'aiight - agt be - so likely to recover. think, ibowevers t hat the other reasoning has more 'po wer ithoe'erber'thies' the last, and therefore' I should say, that it the -CebSli4ililoll 15 tier cii weakened, it gives'a preSamptio'n,li a person has 'recovered from sessilar diSdase tutee tittles; that he. has' a consider able chaPce of recover[, g the fiiu;ll time.' • When you talk of he King's recovery, and com- Petency to public busitiess, you mean, the compiete recovery, as you would speak of another patient, to be competent to the management and direction of all his atfairo- 4 think so. I do not say that the hung might net fall back and be liable to any future attack of a similar indisposition, but as tar as I can. Judge of it, it is Most probable, that it he dues re- cover, he will recover with the same power of per forming his duties, as a Sovereign, as before. Have any of the Royal Family seen the King, since his indisposition ?—Not as far as I know; I believe at the time he was beginning to be hurried at first, his family saw him; but since the cliseasd es tablished its eharatler, ['believe, none of the Royal Family have seen him. I believe nobody, since the 25th of Oelober. Is the hurry of which you speak, to be understood 4.subsequent or anterior 'to the 25th of Ottuber lie 'was certainly very vouch hurried on the 25th of Odober ; but I believe there were little marks of the Same sort before that ; and that they were Ob served by his family, before they were obseived by strangers. Did you observe any symptoms of it before the 25tik Of Ottober I—l think Once or twice I observ ed a little,. but it did not 'strike me much ; on the 25th it vas' very well marked. I saw the Icing twice a day, before the 25th, to give an accoutn of his &tighter. Oars any peraonS have any access to his Majesty, ,*vithOut the knowledge and consent of his Cians 'believe not; there ate certain persons of coarse established about - his Majesty, but there is to strangers; occasionally one or two of his -cOnti dentiarpsges have 6wilo into thesropm kr fin in stant, but Ida not know that anybody else :has. Has' any person, other than th e Ro y al 'Family, or his pages, or attendants, seen the King, since you have been in attendance upon his Majesty's?--Yes, Pe Lord Chancellor saw his Majesty the da y b efore • •• • ... .., ; iestetdFy. Were you consulted on the:propriety of the Lord Chancellor's seeing the King ie-It madd apart of . general conversation , among the Physicians, tlied.ay before the Lord Clisncellor , saw the King; and it •"Was thought; upon the •wlio l e , p erha p s, that jt would: be more'shtisiaCtory that the Chancellor should- see ' the ICirig,-sci as •to give •an account of hiiit Irum (Avis observation. Was that a matter that • suggested: itself to the physicians.in their medical capacity, or was it thrown out from:any other quarter was, not thrown out froinTany other quarter -so far as I know. From -which of the Physicians did the' first sug gestion come, of the propriety of the Chancellor seeing the King ?e--I believe it• was from Dr. Heber. What reasops did Dr. Heberden assign, for wish. ing the Chancellor to see the K.tig was u reason assigned, but that I have assigned nowi :that was'thotight desirable Parliament shoeld have, not simply thd report of the Physicians, but the , report of the Lord Chancellor; from his own observation. Did the Physicians consider it any part of their duty to discuss what would be most satisfaCtory to Parliament .?—I really do not know, - whether they may not have gone beyond their duty; I do not pretend to say whether it was wise or not. Do yoti know that his - Majesty had•been-informed, • previously. to such. consultation among the Pnysi tians, that on that day the Chancellor would be `at Windsor I—Yes, he was informed. By whom was he so informed believe by Sir Henry. Halford. • • Was such information communicatedby Sir Henry !-TalfOrd to the King, in consequence of any. discus s , Sion amongst the :Physicians ?=-There was no dis cussion,• as far as 1 tecolled, by which Sir. Henry was empowered to make any communication to the ing; and the latt is; I believe, it- was thought afterwards better, that the •communication had pot been made. Has his Majesty been . subject to.any bodily in disposition, within the last fortnight ?—His body has hardly been at any time perfealy free from in -Do you attach any importance to the indisposi '"--tioil to-which his Mejety . has be,en.subjed, in the . Course .of ,ilie...sourse. of the lasi • fat thight, - aisaffects e fog ktfs.genefal hcalth?--T should nOt ) , I think, at ,. , . tack much iriiportance to it the that naturally occurs to the mind, in Considering a small defect of bodily health is this, that as the .King, during, the whole of this indisposition, has had more ,pr less of, bodily indisposition, though sometimes very list), .yet it becomes an additional, though a slight .probf, that he may, probably recover,. that he has that bodily ailment : If there was precisely the state of mind, which the King has, without bodily ailment, we should say, there was altogether a less chance Of the King's recovering, than if he had the bodily ailment ju.A . stated ; at the same time, `I think it right to say, that sometimes that buddy ailment has been vary liitle. - Does the king's age .render his recovery more. or less probable,. that if he ,were a younger person ? It certainly renders it less probable ; at the same age is a rdative term; the - King, at 7e, is stronger anal younger, if one may use the expression, trtan, many - persons of tie, and therefore he may have a better chance than Most persons.weidd have at the• same peripd,of life. Dues the Kings .defect of .sight at all jnflueocei: in your opinion, the probability or improbability. of the King's ultimate recOvNry ?—1 have really• no ex: perience kit all, and therefore what I shall say to the Committee must-be-considered as a conjecture, aid therefore probably of httle valne., I should con ceive that, in the earlier periods or .. an indi4positien like the King's, blihdness would probably be an ad vantage ; that &would:lessen the exeikment; 154 t, When a:person, atllieted like. the 'King, goes' on to wards.recevery, I cotreive Grit the s:..ht . Orsiiht would be a disadvantage, because •he would be oe prived of many amusements that would occupy his. mind and assist in the cOmi.lete - recovery. I con cerre, that when a Nrson, situilarly situate with re gard to complaint as the King, has 'go: into a 'state , of convalescence so as to be able to take exeleise, perhaps the having sight would be t heti a.disadvao rage:again, because he wok.id be roused by a great many objects, and take violent exercise, Which thight pyssibiy bring back a rettur tho,coul p!aint.:- Wliat I say now, however, rs altogether conjecture.. _ . . _ . . . Do you thick, that the King's deft:6f of sight is less likely to have an influence upon• the ultimate recovery 01.. t he King, than upon the duraiion of his disorder--I, shouid think it less likely to' 11,,ve influence upOn the ,peofive recovery ut the King, than upon the duration of his illness.' . ...Can you, under the circumstances -which pecu liarly attach to the I(ing's situation, his detect of sight, and his age,' forth to your own mnid any con jeCture, at all 4atii:.!Cloty to you, as to the ptobAble duration of the King's iltuess . ?-:-.4 really cannot. can only giv e the answer . I have done before We can only conjes.:ture, afid there is no 'other ground of judgment I can perceive, than that • of comparing the present with his Majescy', fmner illnesses at the sante time, I think, the circuinstance!i site such as to render it likely that the present' indisposition will .be a longer :indisposition than some of the former. Have you ever known an instance of . a perstin, of the King's age, and deprived 6i Sigh -1;' rei:over4l; pertectly itocu au attack, such 'as ill% Mitp4Sl)" nth ,/ labours undo ?---4 have net er 'known, so tar l collect, bur out pe - , -- 56ii %%416 etlected with this disorder, Ivl,o was as old the that per soh saw but Ih t parson did not recover, • _ . . - flaV5 ) uu. a Lliorc or less sitikstline expeaatitin 01 his.Alajesty'b recov,ry, now, th,.n yeti bait at tj:e ys'iti were exiitnided butore the Privy. Council ?--.1 have ratlizr a less sanguine ex puttalio'n 1 but die difference in that respect iongut Rol, is very iHtle. Have you n.►►ture or less sangoide` expetiatiott of Iris Majesty's sp'eedyrecovery, nuw; ibad you : had at that periud ?- 7 -1 rievet thou6ht it likdy that his Majesty would recover sunn; it iherti is any change in my btintin;ents . 110 W; it is intsstlyrobably that ir will oe longer than 1 thought at one „ . . . .... . , . What has made you somewhat less sanguine of the li_in's speedy re'coireiy; than you "were., when examined betore the Privy Counca ?—That there 'has been anwhei au tack since I Was examined ; and I' think the remission since tt,e attack has been; _hardly, so .complete as some of the former ones' were. . • Having stated, in the, earlier part of your ex amination, that you beikved his Majesty's affection for the deceased 'PrincesS, and grief during' illness, was the cause of his Majesty's indisposition, will you state whether, in your opinion, the cir cumstance of such A : c.luse being . assignaule, •ts tit- vourable or otherwise, with regard 1 . 6 the prospect of his MI-jeSty's recovery ?-1 can only answer that question by 'conjetture ; but I show(' say, upot) 'the. whole, it. was rather. favourable,' It.ts 00er.to know some:fixed cause for tile, cortyldint, and it is better likewise that the c:suse should. hate ceased, which it , has.done in the present in.sta, we. {Withdrew.] SATURDAY, MCF.MBER 15, 1810. Dr. WILLIAM FIEBERPEN, culled in, and ex-; amined. [The- first .eight answers of Dr. Heberden wera siinilar to those given betoie-the Privy Council State your opinion upon tie present state of his Nlajesty'shealtli, : a% compared "lib that at the time you. were .examined ,hefore. the Priey.Conticil; do you conceive him to be better or worse; or in the . same state 1.----I.!,ihotild conceive him tnbe'very much the same state. It would be right to at.l_t to that answer, that his Majesty, has nat i Cont i n uecl 'unitol'loly in the same tit.e, since I was examined I)z:tort' th e Privy bonded ;* but ha's been Win - tie tor a tow da)s, :and since then ,has beep better again.. When,l,did-,you .last.. see the. King ?--I saw fli t ; King yesterday morning. What was his state at that time?-4 understood _that his Majesty hid passed a very good nigh( ; biit ,preoous to my r seeing ~his Maje Sty its rhe Morning, it had been mentioned to him, That his Pli , ysielans, or.some of them, were coming to town 'fOr the pu - pose of being examined ; and b e lieve it Was ovoi, g to that cqnse, that his Majesty had a . little . bliny upon hith at the time I saw hint r I conceive h kkas. -owing to- t bat c suss,- bec,anse his -CtlllYelUliOli Wa di retled to that subject. Ey. whom had the Mommutileaticn been made to the Ki4g; that hi Physicians were coming to town to be examined understood it to have been made by Dr. Reynolds. Did Dr. - Reynolds make that communication to the King, by the adviCe and 'with the concurrence of the, other Physicians, or with their knowlcdge —Dr. Reynolds .meaning to come to town sooner than the other P;TySjCiallS; had seen his Maj!-sry carrel - , at 4 mentioned . it to him, I belie te, when he %%:,bl,liy itiniself, and pre% ions ,to_ any communi cation with the other Physicians. Will you have the goodness to drfitie what you mean by the word 'httrry mote rapidly, and with quickertransitions frorn ; one *Sublet. to another. is the Committee to understand, that you mean to express an.incoherent As. you presume that the communication made to the King had occasioned the Luirry you xvitnessed, do you mean to inform the Committee; that' after having had a good night, the King has been, 'in the present illness, invariably better. than'when he has pased a sleepless night, or . a night with very little sleep ?--He has, very get.erally, been better after •passitig a good night. His :that alAays been the case I—lt has not al was's been the c se: • 'Whet) yo:] S , att,, that you expe& that the Icing's recniery will nut be very distant, what limitation cat time do yotl apply to l ilte words .—I can apply rincil ! itilld limitation i , but iii ohis'Md jesty's last illness I was called to attend him on the 2:1 It of Febrwiry, 181)4 ; and his Majesty fir-t pie sided at a Council, I tiiink . on . fhe 23d of .April lowing t, I should expect. his, illness in the present case, to, follow rtetriy the same character as in that ; arid, . o..hat undersind to haA:e been the arse in his former ilinesies. Dig you exi - p•tt, that, d,atipg frorp this -day; its Mvjes.ty is likely tp be so fir recovered wf!hin tte ps to be able to preside 'at a t cannot 4,oiiWy give any dif , itioct - ans - k‘er to that ( p it ....,ion ; there i, nothitt that ni3lies it Onvoisible,' and theta is nothing that lea4s:ale-to•:ty it' %%Al tie so. , Hare you seen ' such 'symptoms,of his 111,1jesty's disorder, since you NVere examined before the Privy Council, as to lead )ou to hope his recovery will be triore7trpeedy, that you dint hope •at the -tnne .you were so examined I think there are no cir cumstances to to .. expet.t it would be more speed--, than when I was examiiiccrtiefiite the Privy Council. • Have there been any circumstances w 1 have induced you 10 ab:ue of your hopes and expectati,nt of a speedy'recovery-?No cncuthstances to induce nietriabare - iity tiorei‘c f his ultimate recoieryy-and no Otlrt , reilconist.inci.s •to - make me dOubt Of his speedy uecovery, than there having clapz-ed another tart nig h t, ' without I , s being at .pt%.tsent forwarder than he way at that tme. Ei ‘ve his PhysiclBl . s been divippoi ited, in their expe , 4:it;otra of .ot , finCtifatioiis in ►fl K in;'s (lis oithir since the 29t h of November ?;-- 1 7 hey tine in t been Oisappoinied in their general view of t .0 at parik:olar of his Males ty.s illness, they have enteriainAt a hope that it might go on a tieaer approach to iecuvery th.in it .fone. , When ‘.‘ ere you first called upon to attend tfni king, in your protessiOnal capacity ?-06 Me Nth of February, 1804, I began a regulir attendance upoß his Majesty. .He may have occasionally asked me some things, on the subject of his health, before hat but not as a consultation of a- regular phy sician. - • Old you attend the Kir g, during the whole pro gress 6t that diskiider ? Yes, I did: ' Did 'you refer' 'that disordel to any assignable cause ?--Ycs. Do you think that a. patient who has been , ed with menial drrangement, frequendy, during his Is more or less likely to 'recover flora the . order tinder which he may labour at „the present time, than if ,he had never been so afflicted uldconceive it ronsr depend Upon the effeelsap patently produced lit each attack of the disbrder. • In the: case of the King,- do you think' that hisi having. been afflieted. three times previously with thel same disorder, makes him more or less likely to fe-, • Cart - friiin (fie present 'attack ?—More Do you take his age into consideration, when you. answer that question ?—I do. You have stated that the gieater'numbvr of pa tient, as far as your experience and iiii . ortnation have gone, hive recovered.from attacks of a' similar ni:ttre ; t in speaking upon that subjeet; do y6o' in clude patients ot the , age at which the-King:has now atri r ved?—No ; the cases that I know di,tinety of, rt:speefing persOns of the King's age,' have been too few fair - tine to speak particularly to that circa. Have you known any c ises of patients above 5?..- enty years of age ?—f have known cases of de angeinent 'of persons abote severity years of age; I have known no case similar to his M a jesty' s , i n any person of that age. lu those eases of derangement of patients above seventy years of age, have any of them' recovered —ln derangement, if the delirium of fever may be so called, certainly many have.. Do you, speaking medically, consider the deli riuM ot fever to come under the description Of de rangement of mind ?—lt certainly does not come under pie general character of insanity; 'no -mare does his Moje'sty's eaie: What description would you give of his Majesty's case; 6 it. merely ,the delirium of lever i—No, it is not merely the delirium of fever; nor is it any com mon case of insanity ; it is a, derangement attended with more ur less Of_ fever, 'and liable- to accessions and remission,. Has : it at times happened, during your different attehdances upon the King, in disorders of this na ture, that the King has been atleded with fever "Through the whole course of - it. his Majesty has aut uplotrrily been atretted with lever the begin wog •ot i•be• Fast 'attack, and' the present atiack, which is all I can personally speak to; have been attended with fei'er and fey er'ha OCcasiona 'll itT course of them. • His therebeen, at 3riy tine, in 'the King, during the cvutse of.tben 4i6gpiers deranzenitmt without lever • During the perioln nt which clerangernent.ills oc ;,etirred without fever ,how would you. then .di3sciiba the disease t—J,can give it• no. other term than de. rangement. - , • Rave you seen patients above seventy years of age, who have lanourec . l under derangement w i t h out Peterhave seen Cases' of insanity in persons above seventy years-of 'age. , Have those patients- recovered ?—No. Have those patients, or any of them, whom you 'have seen labouring under insanity, • and alcove se venty years` of'age, been -attacked after clie.age of seventy bel.eve not. Were th!) , patients, or any of them, who had experienced attacks - 6(inianity•in the earlier parts of their lisies, and had intervals of sanity between those a'tacks, or were they pafienEs who had been atlliti ed with one continued insanity ?—l,can .only speak decidedly, of one case where there have been inter vals of sanity. Is the patient now dead ?=-Yes. How long was it from the time of the last attack on that patient to his death ?—I did not see it at the beginning, but.l believe four or five years. Do you kno:v low long previous to the age of •seventy the last attack .which terminated only in - death had commenced belieVe very mucb•aboLit age of seventy. What is the. present state of the King's bodily health in,your opinion.?—Th:•re is no material iu jury drat Majesty appears to have suffered in his bodily Is fiis'N4sty's constitution what may be called per tectiy. • Db you think a perfectly sound eonsiitutiOn co existing with 'Cottlplete mental disteinper, a fa-. vourable syrnptoni towards recovery fitim a i nen tai disorder ?—.Tn . such cases, where the mental disor- ,ddr ha's : been attended with any affection of the , bodily health, I shoold ccirisHer the sonndness of • the constitution, and a perfect state of health, to be material. to 'a ptrsonstecovery. • You would have gtewer hopes (min the citcurn= stance of a so,:fhl oils it um on att•l bo.il)y health -? casrs where the mental disorder lia3 been con ne ted ith at.). atfedion of the body. In ill, hint's present disorde , i tin von at'ribnte that disolder to any bujily derange:nem ?--Not •_, . Does it now depend upon any hodily derange !bent ?-It. is connected with his bo•iily health;. his bodily health has been alreded by his - disorder. • 'Has that atlemion of ;his ‘hddily hval , ll produced such a re-anion as to account for his present slate altogether do not consider his• Majesty's bodily health to have been the origin of his disorder ; out his Majesty's biddy health has been affetded along with the disorder, and made part of the diso!der. • Are thete all symptoms now amending- his Ma jesty's bodily he ilth, • by the rem. vai of which you thank that the rccovety-if his Majesty's reason would be attained •Majesty =has a tendency to fever, sometimes existing, S times not eltisting,- , th4t . temoval tit w hie!: tznde:,cy wouldcontribute , to Iris Majesty's , eooralion, in , ty . Has there been, dining the preselt illness, at any period,. a. total absence of fever ?—Yes. - During the total absence of fever, in the present illness, has, at any time, the derangement of mind continued ?-1 brl,eve never, in a great degree. hi any degree i—Yes. You fiavestitcd mit it has ivy / ened, that the Kirig has bad S.MTIC ticurS ,It:ep in 'he course of the ni 6 ht, and has not been better after that sleep do you reckon that a favourable or an - , lninvourabie symptom, in regard to the King's i'i-overy 1-1 Owl(' t!iink it indifferent, in regal(' to his,ultimai3 recovery. .Wotild it lead you to suppose;' 'fat hil .recovery was not likely to be so -peedy ai it sleep poduced its desiied'ettect . ?-11 w,.uld not lead the to tonal any certain codeltunon, with tev ° : , rd to that effect,. When 'you attended theKiPg, in the ear 1804, did you-sign the bollelitis at that : thve Do you recollect the last bulletin that ti , 4s put forth to the pubiie Was it intentled . that the bulletin shOuld .convey to the pUblic (hat hi, Majesty was completely re• covered ? ; --:1 - appeh'eltd that the hulletiti4ridst have been intended . ' tri convey - an'idea that his Majesty WaS pertettly recovgteo, so far as regeded a corn peteney to trai ,,- ;.ict public business... Are the Committee, to, 'understand, that when you apply the words " perfectly. tetoveied" to Mlle &inv, you apply them in the same sense as you would to any private judividoal, - that he was per letily recovered, for the trausathon of ,aity husine'ss, ptaic of private, ',vhich. might 13!31 . 0ng to him, and to the entire roattageiuent of his affiirs ? --Yes. • The Committee then are to .understand, that at the cessation of the bulletins, in the year t 8 . 04, heIS ,sidn.g vas so completely recov e red ?—I appre hend • 'After the ce:sation of thehulletins, did you visit the King as his Physician, in 1804 ?--After the cessation of the bulletins, his Majesty wen! ()lit of town ; I was not with him .out of town; ii return ed to town at. :no iery long intervals, and then , Majesty's Physioi ins attended lino. I neheae it 4.4 as in the Month of August that his Majesty w,nt down to Weymouth, and trom that time 10 tile end ofOc .lober Sir F. Millman and myself were one of us al ways with hts Majesty ; for the greatest part of the time, I was with his Majesty. . • Were you and Sir Francis Millman the Only at tendants upon his. Majesty at Weymouth ?--;Yes. , - At any period subsequent to the bulletins in 1804, did you perceive in the .King any-duhied manner which excited your attrOon Majesty Was more liable to hurriess;b . ot I believe that at an pea iod of any day, he was., iyerfedly competent to • transit& business, . Do you consider the hurries; of which , von.have' been speaking, to have been any' vestiges .of, .or at all dependent epon thu Ki-ng's malady ?--4 do. You have said,. that tever..has accoiopained the King's malady, and that that: fever' has been inter titittirrg the course of •his malady ; but that you-did not conider the fever 'to be the c,ruse.of his malady ; do you conceive the cause of,his .o:alady to have been the. eiii•ction,,of the King for the ill. ness of his •daugbier. •?,-,-4 do. --You have said that you do not consider the King's tt be case of, prilinary insanity ?2=4-aid7 . d (