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V p A e / //2 ~~~-~G-• J~- .... . . tRITISH INSTITUTION, PALL MALL.' AHE GALLERY continuesopen; with the COLLECTION of PICTURES from CARLTON PA LACE,. which HIS MAJESTY has been graciously pleased to allow the Directors .to. Exhibit. Admittance (front Ten till Five), la.—Catalogue, Is. • WILLIAM BARNARD, Keeper. . . , BRIBERY at ELECTIONS.—Lord JOHN RUSSELL, &c. This day was published, price Is. • A LETTER to' Viscount ALTHORP, on the `ResolutiOne' of the' late House ,of Commons, respecting Bribery at 4kctions. - By Lord JOHN RUSSELL. Also, 1: Lord J. RUSSELL'S Speeches on Parliamentary Reform, 2s. 6d. Q. LETTER to Lord HOLLAND on Foreign Polititi.: . By Lord J. Russell, second edition, Qs. 64.1. • 3. LETTERS to Lord JOHN RUSSELL, on the Original Formation of the Honse of Commons. By Thomas Creevey,• third edition, Ss. Printed_ for James . Ridgway, , 169, Piccadilly. • This day was published, price I/. Bs. in roan, or elegantly hound in morocco,' price I/. Iss. •QTOCKDALE'S CALENDAR for 1827, care fully revised and amended, and corrected to the present time, containing— • . • I. The PEERAGE of the UNITED, KINGDOM, with the Ar►ns, &c., of all the Peers, with ENTIRELY NEW PLATES. 2. The BARONETAGE, with the Arms, &c., of all the BA roriete, with 'ENTIRELY NEW PLATES. S. The ALMANACK for 1827. 4. The COMPANION, containing the List of the New Mem bers to Parliament, showing the contested Elections, &c., with considerable additiouttitd emendations. 5. The INDEX; The PEERAGE and BARONETAGE maybe had separately, Pic* 6d. l each, in hoards. Also, the,cOMpANION, price 2 11• Wads. •: RIDGWAY, 169, Piccadilly. ~ -- ‘• CORN •QUESTiONI, • 7••:!. • • Now ready, A • , 1. LETTER front the EARL STANHOPE, IL on the. CORN LAWS, 2s. 61.' • • a• • 2. CORN an d' CuRRENCY ; in an Address to the Land Owners.. By Sir JAMES GRAHAM (of Netherby), Bart., ,111. P. Third Edition, 4s. 6d. boards. S. 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WESTMIN, Esq. .• a a James Ridgway, '169, SEA BEDDING.--Captains, Merchants, Sea men, and others, will find, the greatest advantage arising from all Purchases made at TIMOTHY'S EXTENSIVE MA NUFACTORY, for Feathers, Beds, Mattresses, Palliasses, and Bedsteads, No. 8, ALDGATE, two doors from the i Saracen's, Head Inn. The Proprietor manufacturing every article kr sale on the Premises, and purchasing the Materials for Cash, will be found not only to compete with any !mullein the Trade in quality and work manship, but likewise in prices, without arrogating to himielf the specious cant of the may,; or professing to do business "for the benefit of industrious and ingenious Mechanics." lie under takes to convince the most incredulous of the advantage Ready .11toney possesses in all purchases made at his Warehouse, No. 8, Ald gute , PRICSICNT vitzc as. Feathers tilled from the Stove. St Down st, a , ve l White Gmie lb ' o D l ` u riar ditto ""- ''''''' 2 , w it e to, ,6nestq quality ' 3 2 6 • bittY0 "°'e 1 3 1 6 Poultry - pet lb. 0 9 Ditto 1 0 Ditto, the very best 1 3 Beat Hudson Bay , 1 0 New Water Flock, all Wool 0 3 White Ditto 0 4 1 Ditto, equal to Mill t'utt: 2 6 Bed Ticke at Cost Price to Purchasers of Feathers. White BEDS. -ile Dantsie Goose, bor. X. e. • v 4erect tick £. s. 3 0 Grey Goose, bound 'WI bordered and welted ' .' Ditto, bordered 215 tick . .... 'White .. '''''''' bound tick poultry 1 6 rtnin Al. lis. to ' 5 0 )itte, best quality Sea Beds from -14. I. to ss. 6d. ,each. Warranted well seasoned free from Duet or Smell. .Iqattresses, elastic curled Horse-hair, Wool, and Flock, from 10s. Nililuntes, in the greatest variety of quality and size, frotn...los. BEDSTICApS, warranted made on the Premises. handsom e carved mahogany 4-poit, sft. wide, of the best quality , ' £4 0 Null-area Teut Ditto Eliptic ' i 10 Preach, Chinese, Cottage, Bainboo, - and Field Tents, stained and aint FultarrruaLs.—liandsotne p Tent, ed. from 35e. to 31.—Four-post, front 2/. 10i • moons having Feathers to dispose of at a low price, will And a ready money purchaser at 'lmam leo MArrurAcToav, N 0... 8, Atnwerr. BIJONAPARTE AND TALMA. Every ho t ly knows that this celebrated actor had frequent CCM- 1 41 , 1 eti011e with Napoleon, of which he availed himself to improve the theatrical art. If Napoleon frequently resorted to declama tit* and quackery in his political life, he was by no nueins fond 6 ltilem en the stage. In his interviews with Telma, be was • •!telstiiiitly adverting to the excesses of action and voice in the t 4 tre. Speaking t o hi m o f the part of Nero, iu Britannieus, 'lid, 1 would wish to,s ee in your representation Of it t"" , th e contest between a bad nature and a good telut4tion. ttl euld like also fewer gestures ; persons ' of that kind do not die i the,..m.; they are more concentrated. At the same time, eatot apgicient issue"'generally ,raeonthlete I tragedy. ly praise the simplicity and nature to which you t witethei- the lnfect, when digUified in areiagaa, ag i tate d by peuiot y , OWe u.their elevation to birth or to talents, no doubt speak a little important ideas, they simple and natural. For l u i ` , : i d: i f i a ' ut i . , n b e n t t 'd tl b ie y i! language t hi not less speak as all p e ople speak in e onversition • but we are making e, at this momen , you am! I matter far history. Another time, the chaitteter of 1 / 4 " 4 Pe,v, was under . diseussien. in . the Death of Hi pronouncing' said Napo '• lean, that long tirade Nlai""t hiqn , in which th e eal uw i ng verse • occurs_ Pour mai, qui tens le trAne 6tal Vinfainie Cies* does not believe a word of what he is sayi ng , it s ta lk, In that manner because his Romans are behind him, shot, i s is his interest to persuade that he regards a three with horror. li e i s far . from thinkieg that the throne, already the object of his wi s h es , 6 . a eonteniptible thing. The actor ought, therefore, to be very tareftil not to make hint speak as if he was himself tionvineed of trite truth of his sentiments.' • another conversation, Napoleon said, " Telma, yott often eial upon me in the morning; what do you see here? r te,. who hav e b een d e p r i ve d o f their lovers ; princeo, ,sve lo st t h e i r domi n ions; ancient k ings, whom war h as d eposed 'tern their rupr4tne rank ; great generals, hoping or asking for 4 :', /w N. lam surrounded hy disappointed ambition, ardent i 1 ,4 41, unexpected catastrophes, griefs hidden . at the bottom of bein't, afflictions which burst forth o ut wa rdly. All this Illnisubtedly •is tragedy. :My palace is full of tragedy. lam 4r WIY myself the moat tragic personage of:the age. W el!! - jou tee u s th row our arms a l o f t , stu d y our gestures, assume 4. 4l t det, affect airs of .grtuideur? .Do 'you hear Jo exclaim? 1 ' We speak naturally ; as every body apeaks who is inspired em, intereet or a passion. And so, before me, have behaved 11 : e Perilous who have oceupied the stage of the world, arid also te etl' on the throne. These are • examples to eon. 14 1144 ht. ~ T 4-Ploughman was committed to Norwich gaol on 1;,.. 444 Y fu me e a rt-trap bai with arley to catch was taken a tbe fact d by Lord b Stafford's game ( k. • ' b 1 t No. 10,672. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. ‘4 L„ PRICE In. THURSDAY EVENISFG, NOVEMBER 23, 1826. . HOUSE OF LORDS, WEDNESDAY, Nov. Their Lordships met at three o'clock, to contioue the process of swearing in Peers. The Duke of Dorset, the Marquess of Conynghem, Lord Redesdale, Lord Clinton, Lord Lake, and other Lords, took the oaths and their eeite,—Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, WEDNKSDAY. The Speaker took the Chair a few minutes before four o'clock. DUTY _ON ILOYS AND MALT. Mr. Alderman WOOD moved for Returns ot the number. of Acres of Land iu England employed iu the cultivation of flops, from the sth of 'July, 1825, to the sth of July, 1826 ; of the amount of,Duties paid in that period; of the quantity exported from England to Ireland ; of the number of Brewers in Eng land and Wales ; of the number of Licensed Victuallers who brew their own Beer; and of the number of Bushels of Malt upon which Duty had been charged and paid between the ahove-nien tioned times.--Ordered. ABOLITION OF TIMM. Loisl FOLKESTONE presented a Petition front a number of the Inhabitants of Bristol, praying an Abolition of Tithes. The Noble Lord represented the Petition as very respectably signed.— Laid on the Table. CATHOLIC EMANCIPATION. Sir JOHN BRYDOES, in presenting a Petition from Wotton, in-Kent, against any further concessions to the Roman Catholics, addressed the House at some length, in explanation of his hostility to Catholic: Emancipation; but, from the noise below the Gallery, we were unable to Lear a single sentence. The Petition was laid on the Table. Mr. SLANEY, in moving for some Returns upon the subject of Malt, expressed his determination, if no Member of greater experience directed his attention to the evil, to bring under the consideration of the House the unjust, unreasonable, and impolitic burdens imposed upon the Landowners, by the taxes upon that article, as soon after the next sitting of Parliament as the forms of the House would admit. The Motion being passed to the Chair, the SPEAKER inti mated to the Honourable Member that it was not usual to move upon any question which was likely to excite discussion, 'unless upon notice given before. It was, undoubtedly, in the power of the Hon. Member to press his motion if he pleased, but it had been customary, as a matter of courtesy, to give notice of such in tention, and he was Confident the Hon. Member had deviated from that course solely from being as yet unacquainted with the forms of proceeding. Mr. SLANEY, after observing that he had communicated the object of his Motion to an Hon. Gentleman, to whose department it immediately referred, then withdrew it. CORN LAWS. Sir THOMAS LETHBRIDGE, in rising to present a Peti tion on the subject of the Corn. Laws, observed, that the per sons who signed it prayed an opportunity of being allowed to prove, by unqueationable evidence, at what price corn Could be grown in this country, so as to afford a protection to the farmer. Without some such evidence, he contended, that it was utterly impossible for the House to do justice to those whose interests were connected with the question. He had - a great number of Petitions from various places upon this subject; but after the declaration which had fallen from the Right Hononrable Gentle man opposite last night, that it was not the intention of his Ma jesty's GovernMent to take any steps, with regard to. the Corn Laws, until after Christmas, he would not now press their prayer upon the House, or call for any .express determination. He beg ged, however, to repeat, feeling, as lie did, the para Mount import ance of the subject, that it was absolutely necessary to acquire every possible information before they decided upon a matter involving the interests of all classes in the country. The late law was not no* in operation, and the new one was quite a dead letter, so that there was an additional reason for requiring furthse,informa tion before they passed any new legislative misuittre p es • pients nent settlement. It was impossible for him, in the absence of all information, to guess at the course which Government might in tend to pursue ; but lie would impress upon the House the us cessity of appointing a Committee to inquire into . the state of ese Corn Trade; for, without such a Committee, the question could never be settled to the satisfaction of those interests which were attacked, Ale had been a Member of the former Committee, which examined evidence upon the subject; but, although-that Committee had done a good deal, it had not ' done all 'which it ought to have accomplished for a thorough investigation of the subject. On the evidence taken before that Committee, the Report was foundell, which now formed the sole ground-work of their proceedings. But circumstances were materially .altered, since that Report was laid on the table of the House. All the new information they possessed was derived from an experience of what had passed for the last few months, and it therefore became doubly necessary that they should be able, before a new Committee, to offer evidence of ad ditional information. His Majesty's Government ought not to claim a title to enact new measures upon an old Report; and hi trusted they would not attempt it. The Honourable Baronet conclided by hoping, that whenever they did come to the discus sion of the question, they would meet it' with calmness, with good temper, and with moderation ; and that no charges would be indulged against any one class, as seeking to benefit itself at the expense of the other ; when it roust be obvions to every friend of his country, that the prOsperity 'of the one was the support of-the other ; and that they must, in the' hour of difficulty, stand or fall together. Lord ALTHORP thought, that if his Majesty's Govern ment could he fully aware, of the state of agitation into which 0 classes had been thrown, by the rumour of the projected al teration in the Corn Laws—the manufacturing as well as the gricultural—they would not persist in their determination of postponing the settlement of that question from November to February, without any, even the slightest. information as to ttie course they intended to pursue. He was perfectly well aware that there might be grea t inconvenience. in any premature disaL closures of their intentions, but he f e lt b o und t o sa y, that they were then assembled to do their duty, some of them at a great personal inconvenience, from a residence during this season of the year in town, and he saw no reason why they might not come to a determination at once. He for one saw no reason to dread the plan which Ministers might hive to bring fOrward:—(Hear.)--- He saw no ground for any alarm from the measures they might propose to adopt ; hitt if there was, as he thought, no good reason for delay, he would loess upon their most earnest attention, the propriety of allaying, by a speedy and decisive resolution, that alarm and distrust which seemed to be felt by so many others.— (Hear, hear.) The Petition, signed by the Inhabitants and Farmers of the Hundreds of Abdy, Bulstrode, and Hermingtou, was then laid upon the Table, and ordered to be printed. .. ELECTION PETITIONS. The SPEAKERCrown Ireland, enclosing Pea- Clerk of the in , .. . letter from the : be had received a 1 informed li etorns_ t : le ne tious against severe Return for the County of Waterford ; One from complaining of the Hours L th o a r t d George Beresford, Mr. Rob ert Smith, complaining of the Return for Westmeath ; and fro m M r . Peter -v, Mr. &divan, and others, against the Ro • - - ' Return for Kilkenny. . • The SPEAKER- then Mr. Frederick Richard Petition? A Petition was presented from . other Election for Denbigh. West, complaining of the Return there were fourteen days yet for inquired ifthere weasany Mr. W. WYNN said, that as , forty days for entering into meeting of , Parliament. Prerefteo g tti can i.mg et t , it it io w m a ' s a i u m li p a o s ss t it e le re t w ha e t " the House could come to any decision upon them before the , next should be nominally day, the 4th of January, tle-tvould.propotte, therefore, that a -ay, Petitions Parliament after deratiOn; mid on the first day of the Meeting of entertaining Christmas a a ppointed for ' , aubsequent day should be aPP° • I them. was adapted bY I fixed for taking these into cones. The suggestion of the Right lion. Gentleman r Rs named for en- 1 the House, and aemodingly the 4th of January w— ,,6„ two Pe- tertaining the Petitions which had been lodged—On n ' 4 " 4 , ea m- titions from Thoinas Dish and Rowland Stephenson, ea• • ttinu plairting of the return of the other, and for the purpose of lie . '' „ s id e a double return for the Petitions complaining of undue elections for COventry and Ipswich, teere , e BoroutOt of Leominster. also presented. It wait not stated Ily whom 4,4 APAk .st w h oo Petitions'BllllltltreYfreA7 VL.ECTIaIss.. return these Lord ALVIORP ow to propose - * n renewal of the Roo - lutions against Bribery and Corruption at Elections, proposed by a Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell), who, as he regretted, was not now a Member of that House, and adopted by Parliament on the 26th of List May. All' that he w e u ld ca ll upon the new Parliament to do was, to confirm what the lute Parliament had done. He was desirous of explainin g to those who were not Members of the for mer Parliament why the House hail been induced to adopt thew. Aud i first, he would observe that, in all discussions, in that House on Parliamentary Reform, it wag objected to the friends of that measure that they were advocates of dangerous and sweeping mea sures ; and, though any change in the Constituent Body was uni formly resisted, it'was stated by the opponents of the measure that upon any statement and proof of gross abuse, they were willing to lend their aid in correcting and removing it. They had acted upon this declaration, as was shown in the disfranchisement of GrampOund.' The means of showing the existence of this grim abusetutherto were by Committees in that 116 use—by Election Petition*, or, 'as had been shown in one instance, by proceedings) in a Court of Law. Though the instances of corruption, it was well known were frequent, yet few instances were brought before the House.* This omission lie attributed, in a great degree, to the want of a pecOliar Triburiatlieespointed and qualified to examine into Petitions, complaining of this grievance. It was therefore desirable that such a Tribunal should be appointed, and a satisfac tory mode of examination established. The Resolutions proposed to give to Parliament no new power, but merely called upon the useful, judicious, and effective exercise of that power which the House already pos*essed. They only called upon the House to show to the country that they were in earnest in believing bribery and corruption at elections to be the great evil to the country that they declared it to he. These Resolutions, he believed, had some effect during the late elections in diMinishing bribery, or at least in alarming both thosr who were disposed to bribe and to be bribed. It would be observed, that it was not intended that the return of any sitting Member should be effected by these Re solutions, pr that any of the ordinary regulations respecting Elee- lion Petition* should be infringed by them. Among the ebjec time which he had heard asivariced against them, was one of the expence of the proposed Committee on these election cases' being , paid by the public. But he would put it to the House, if the expellee of public Committees, of much less interest and import ance to the country, were not defrayed, by the public; than one to investigate whether or not Members should sit in that House who had been returned by means of bribery and corruptiono-i (Hear, bear.)—Another objection to' these Resolutions was, that they would give rise to vexatious Petitions. But that inconve nience was provided for, and prevented by the discretion which was reposed in Parliament' by which they need not take , into consideration any case that they did not deem deserving of their serious attention. It may be said, that this discretion in the House may sometimes lead to partiality; but lie had no, such ap prehension, and he was satisfied, that on a fair and full statement by any Hon. Member of a specific abuse, an d o f a ll ege d corrup tion, inquiry would not be refused. These were the objections-- the only objections he had heard against the Resolutions, which ought not to outweigh the great benefit which they must all feel would be derived from the introduction of the most satisfactory means of investigating and examining eases of bribery and corrup tion. He would only add, that it would indeed be extraordi ' nary, and would present a contrast by no means favourable to the new Parliament, if they should reject Resolutions in their first Session, which had been affirmed by the late Parliament in their , bait Session.--(Hear, , hear.)—He hoped for the credit of the House, that such a contrast would not be presented; and cozi= eluded by moving the following Resolutions :.-- "let. That whenever a Petition shall be presented to this House, after the expiration of the time allowed for presenting Petitions against the validity of the return of atiy Member of this House, by any person or persons, affirming that any time within eighteen calendar months previous to presenting the said Petition, general bribery and corruption has been practiced, for the pur pose of procuring the election tir return of any Member or Mem bars to serve in Parliament for any Borough, Cinque Port, eh place, and it shall appear to thi n H ouse th at such Petitio n co ne taloa allegations auniciently speei4c to require further Investigation this House will appoint a day acid hour for taking the said Peti tion into consideration, so that the ewe of twenty days shall in tervene between the day on which the said petition shall have been presented, and the day appoiuted by this House for taking the same into consideration ; and notice of such day and hour shall be inserted, by order of the Speaker, in one of,the two next London Gazettes, .and shall also be sent by him to the Return ing Officer of the Borough, Cinque Port, or place, to which such Petition shall relate; and a true copy of such notice shall'hy such Returning Officer be affixed to the door of the town-hall or parish church nearest to the place where the election of Members to serve in Parliament for such 80061.1 t, Cinque Port, or place, has been tumidly held." "2d. That at thedwur appointed for taking such petition into consideration, this House will procetld to appoint a Select Com mittee to enquire into the truth of the matters contained in the said petition, and report the result of their enquiry to this House; and such Seleet - Con►mittee shall consist of Thirteen Members, to be chosen by, lot, according to the directions, provisions, ruler slid regulations, and subject to the exemptions for choosing Forty. nine MeMbers by lot, contained in the various Acts to regulate the trials of Controvertei Elections M. Ileturns of Members to serve in Parliament, so far as they are applicable thereto, and of two other Members to be appointed by this House, out of the Members then present in this House ; and the thirteen Members so chosen by lot, together with the two Members to be appointed this Hottse, shall be a Select Committee,' and shall' enquire into and try the matter of such Petition, and shall report their opinion thereof, together with the evidence given before them, to this House." " 3d. That this House will not appoint such Select CM. mittee so long as any trial is pending before a Select Committee of this House to try the va lidit y o f t h e Return, or s o l ong as a day is named in the Orders of this House for appointing a Select Committee to try the validity of the Return, for the Borough, Cinque Port, or place, to which the Petition refers." Mr. C. W. WYNN, on the resolutions being seconded, said, that he did not differ from the Noble Lord on the general principle that it was desirable, and that it was' the .bouuden duty of the House to scrutinise and examine into lily reasonable piloaa facie ease of bribery and corruption which might be brought before the House. He would be glad to go along with the Noble Lord in aflording the most effectual check to such abuses, but, agreeing as he slid with the Noble Lord in the utility of the object, he differed with him as to the means by which it was to be accomplished, and he opposed them on the ground, that if carried into effect, they would be productive of inconvenience that would more than counterbalance any advantages that could b e h ope d to be derived from them. The most obvious way, and to hi s m i nd a satisfac tory!itioonn A e t of present ( m s tt per s o n p s la it i cl a be lon g i n g a i i ng iot ay undueleturn at e l ect i ons, was b y s i t t o the place or bor oug h was per mittedl i . a limited ti me . Wit nesses were sworn and examined, and the investigation was con ducted by, a Committee of that House. I n ot h er cases, provision was, wade : by , the statute l a w ; and, again, in cases of conviction in a court of law, as the best and most indisputable ground, the Hotta* either proceeded at once to legislate and pass a Bill of Disfranchisement, or mid* the conviction the foundation of such a proceeding. Me did not ace how the modes which were at present in existence could t,e improved b y the enactments re. commended in the resolutions now before the House. Where was the adrantage--Ae was at a la" to know—in permitting any- person, at the expiration of eighteen ,erdentlar , months, without incurring the slightest expellee, or without being liable to the least responsibility, to present petitions against the re turns of Members to Parliament. The House must immediately perceive the unfair and disadvantageous position in which the Member, against whom the Petition was presented, would stand in relation to the Petitioner. By the Grenville Act, at first, any person might question.the return. But lei great an abuse did the exercise of this permission lead, that peisom were found to present vexatious Petitions, merely for the lake of sitting' the Gallery of the House, to listen to its clis tute i ut , Parliament was, of necessity, intrndutted and it was enacted, that 141.6"5` tee of the House, to tit'" should be saddi m a fairness .. An Act id •'prevent this abuse, ; •+nu were fo un d, by a Counit _,,ent frivolous and vexatious Petitions, with the costs. Again, objected to the un towards a Member, in keeping a Petition. over lwc head or so long a time. Such a threat might be converted into:the means of extorting money, although the Party holding out the threat might have no ground whatever for making it, Or any other object but to obtain money b y putting othe rs to expe „„, f o e there was scarcely any borough, .notren the most pure and iwaoceut in the country, which would not rather pay etinthing, than be subjected to all the inconvenienee incident to' a petition, presented and conduCted in the manner . in which °the Resolutions of the Noble Lord went to recommend. &Sides,. it was net easy to de termine•always and to agree upon whSt constituted general cor ruption and bribery. - Some persons might consider the proof of six or seven perscais in a borough being bribed, a.sutficient:reasoc. to presume upon the general corruption of the place or borough ; and if the place was a small one, us sometimes, seven or eight would be found to coustitute a majority o f t h e. e l ectors ; he (lUr. W.) would not deny but that perhaps it might be Sufficient, iu such a case, to constitute a ground of disfranchisement ; but then others may be of a different opinion, and because of this pos sible and probable ditlisrence of opinioti,he was desirous' f leaving a; little is possible to the discretion of thi s H ouse , an d o f h av i ng themsel4s bourid by Statute in their preeee t lihg s oo „ Lo th c imi_ sions. The Noble Lord said, that the Resolutions did not go to affect any sitting Member; but if the borough were .clisfrinichisecl ou the ground of bribery and corruption, he presumed that it was to follow, that the Members, in whose behalf that bribery and corruption were exercised, should be expelled the House. Lord ALTHORP intimated asstmt across the table. Mr. G. W. Vs YNN resumed. • The House :ote e dit to be the i more vigilant and cautious n the adoption'Of theSe Resolittions, therefore, as they would , introduce a material alteration in the law respecting not only places and borOughs, but aloe the persons who represented theth. For his part,' he was disinclined to give to unrestrained, irresponsible, milettered persons, such means of vexation and annoyance as these Resolutions would invest them with. - The Grenville Act—the policy of which he approved of --was drawn up hi a spirit of distrust in the discretion of Par liament ; and he would declare again, that, for his own part, he would prefer to see the proceediuge of the House in such matters deter Mined by positive law, than regulated by discretion. In of fering opposition at present to the Resolutions of the Noble Lord, he did so solely on the ground, that, if adopted, they would be more inconvenient than the present mode of pros/Mitre. At the same time that he disclaimed, ou his own part and that of his eel league& any'disposition to throw impediment in the' way of the. investigation of detected cases of bribery and corruption. Mr. BATTLEY thought- the Resolutions, of the Noble Lord quite unnecessary. He was satisfies! with the reasons . for opposing them advanced by the Right Hon.,. the President of the Board of Controul. For any such abuses as the Noble Lord complained of, the Statute Law, in. his opinion, furnished an efficient remedy and corrective. Colonel, DAVIES maintained, that' if ever there was a time in which it was incumbent on the Haase to come forward and infuse a new spirit into their legislation with 'respect to elee-i tions, it was the present ; for certainly there never had been more gross and more extensive corruption practised than during the late elections. He really • hoped that these Resolutions, so ao lemnly agreed to .by the last Parliament, would not now be re jected by the present: • Of that last Parliament God knew - that he 'could not speak in terms of, praise; ,they had been guilty of many sins of omission and commission ,but in, these Resolus tions they had bequeathed to the present Parliament a legacy, which, if properly administered, might be rendered productive of the .greatest. benefits. The Right Honourable the President of the Board of Con troul bad taken tine same line of argument in his objections to the Resolutions' that be had taken before.:-.- He told the Hoese that therwere - always competent to take up any charge of corruption that might be submitted to -them—, Yes ; but would they take it up ? • Did the Right Hotioural4 Clentleman recollect a Petition complaining of the interference of a Peer with an election, but which Petition, being presented after the time prescribed for the • presentation ,of , 'Election Peti tions, and being pronounced to be au Election , Petition, was not allowed to be brought up? • Unless the House were bound to proceed, by some specific.regulation, it would be very easy in all similar cases to defeat the ends of justi..Besides it should be con sidered that ordinary election petitions eeltiont tended to .unmask the whole of the corruption that existed in the place to which they referred. The . object of the Petitioners was always a selfisli one ; —to Unseat the .sitting, Afernbtxs, and to seat themselve4; anti it' they 'could prove the existence of one or two cases of bribery, that object was gained. But how did that advance the general purity?—Unless it could be proved that the great nut jority of Electors were corrupt, the punishment of disfran chisementcould not be inflicted. He was persuaded that the only mode of correcting the existing system was by the Utilise taking it up. As to the objection that one party might put another to a great expellee without incurring any himself, that Could. be obviated by compelling him to enter into recognizance& It was utterly impossible that any thing , like purity of elec tion .could be established until the present system. was mate rially altered. As it nosy stood, he defied annual!, whatever might be his talents, and whatever his love of purity, to engage in a contested election without being r guilty of something like an infraction of the law. It was notorious that in ti,ltundred boroughs it was the custom to hunt about for a. candidate, North, South, East, and Weat, the only condition with wboin was that he should spend a certain sum of money ; in which case his re turn was insured. The present was a subject well worthy of the attention. of the Right. Hon. Gentleman opposite, who -Was so well acquainted with all. the.. forms comiected with it, and he trusted that that Right Flop. Gentleman 'Would turn it in his mind.. Let hint agree to his Noble Friend's Ilesnlittions; and let him propose others of his own subsequently ; and be (Col. Davies) and his friends would be found perfectly ready to concur in ren dering them us perfect as posesible. • Mr. Secretary PEEL observed that the lion. Gentleman who had just spoken had admitted the existence of that which was the principal objection to the Noble Lord's proixisition. What was the :House called upon to do? By affirming the Besolutions passed at the close of the last Parliament, to constitute, not only a new offence, but a new jurisdiction to take cognizanee of that offence. -Now, it, might be very proper to constitute ruck a jurisdiction ; but he was convinced that it would be infinitely better to constitute it by Rill rather than by Resolution. If constituted by Bill, the House would have the advent age of considering the measure in all its stages, of deli berately discussing it, and of correcting any errors which might manifest themselves in it. But here the Noble Lord railed upon the Heine, in one night to affirm two Resolutions, em bracing very important matter, the adoption or rejection of which required much consideration. Per Mature, he would ask the Noble Lord Wit was not very important t,, deterniine whether or not the Committee contemplated in the Resolutions should poa less the power of examining witnesses on oath? That was surely a very important point ; 'but there was no provision in the Re solutions respecting it, Again, was it fitting to allow a conimon or against any c or p orate informer, in possession of the means of bringing forward It charge after the return, W i th ou t ag acquainting b o o f dy eo rup , r tore t t io a i i i n itLb:suet v a en ny tee in n tli i i: l i o d i i: t a hs L that individual, or that corporate body, of his inten tion,being indemnified from expense, and nut d e t err ed' by the appre and then to invent it to the House; encouraged to do ao by pension, o f any penalty should his 'accusation proVe falae? it not be proper also to take at least ordinary securities to compel any such charge to wine forwar4 and iaiv supportiiidual P t4laiil t ?Yetinth g e • Resolutions there was no such sechnity required: The Hon. Gentleman who spoke last, althouth he suppo r ted the • Resolutions, entirely differed from the Noble' Lord who moved their affirmation. The Hon. Gentloosil had selected the last .eleetion as the most flagrantly corrupt upo% record. If so, it was in the very face of these Resolutions (adopted by the last Parliament), an d p rove d th e i r i neff i ciency. This wasan additional reason for reconsiderin g the. kithjAet ; f or if those Resolutions were ineffici e nt, was it ;tot ikaitable th s a '- s h ou ld h e rendered efficient ? Ha (hlr. Peel) by nu --EbeY tended against the principle* of the Reileleti t u l s • •IlehllS eon_ that to he donev tthat which ot all,chitw niaaigprodm h_ the Resolutio ns , if pro should, thercfige, ed to , nut he c o nten d e d pei thous' much better d one by Bill, H e Noble Lord's ny . '• reluctantly, CM it his duty to Oppose the . o tton. that, the Right H on . Gentleman had taken rat l l:e A r i t t i l- p ET arti l al t v hgi i o e u wo 4 f the question. It had been said, and t ru ly mid, by the Hon. Ittember for Beverley, that the existing Laws were utdrnient to encourage bribery and corruption, if they were executed. But that,was the point. There was the power but was that power exerc6ied ? The Right Hon. Gentlernan had observed on the long delay of which the Resolution s woOld allOw the Petitioner to avail lmuself before be presented his Petition. .That was true; hut, the House would have the 'towel:. tt 461 chose, to reject the Petition. At the same time he must candidly acknowledge, that the indemnification from expellee ,j the Party petitioning, might enable hint to harass the p a rty . agahist t petitioned; and that h e could not sea at present how ta!, evil cou ld h e met by Resol u ti on. It appeared to hip) t h at it could`" „ ...!°',7•"."."- . - 1 IC ..„ ,4111, (f - ' •. 1 Skoli . , • , - ,,..7 . :., ~t , ': l lkr . 'III' i1i . ,./.., •,' - • 1 1"A' V 4.-- 4411 "...,„,...,at l '''" l •: 3 . 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He Must say, however, that he felt considerable i h objectipn to the Resolutions as they stood ; as they would enable Parties, without subjecting themselves to any penalty, to present a Merely malicious Petition. The object was to make all the world understand beforehand in what mode the House would deal with the subject. Every body must fief that the existing evil required a remedy. At present, Whatiwer bribery might have existed, if no Petition complaining of it wan presented with in fourteen days'after the meeting of Parliament, there ' was no means of inquiring into the case. lie was very apprehensive, that if it were attempted to iutroduee a law conformably to . the Resniutions, the ' tendency of which would . be to disf ranc hi se any Borniigh in Which bribery was proved t o exist, that law would not receive the coucutrence of the ether House of Parliament. The necessity of laying down some gvneral rule to prevent bribery and corruption wax, howeVer, abundantly evident. . He recom mended his Noble Friend to withdraw his Resolutions for a abort time. If, however, his Noble Friend persevered in his motion, he (Mr. Scarlett) should feel great difficulty in opposing it. Mr. PALLMER observed, that he addressed the'House with. great disadvantage ; nevertheless, he begged their indnlgenee for a' few moments. thimble as his thanks were, he could riot •be sa tisfied ' without offering' them to the Noble Lord who Lad intro, duced these resolution's in the last Session of Parliament, and to, the Noble Lord by whom it was now proposed to the House to 4ffirm them. It always gratified him to see the aristocracy of the country ads'ocating the rights of the people. But much as lie felt indebted 'to the Noble Lords for bringing tinder the considera tion of Parliament an evil, the extent of which was, acknowledged by every burly, he was convinced that a removal of all the incon venience* in the way of a free and pure exercise of the elective frenchise 'could be effected only by the interposithin of a wiee.Ad ministration ; and he hoped to see tire day, and that not a very die, tent one,When, instead of starting objections to a proposition like the present, his Majesty's Minister s would take into their awn hands the task of considering' time subject, and would bring forward sours lowa- Imre respecting it which would have all the weight of their sanction. Government had wisely employed themselves in this time of peece in the introduction of a inure liberal commercial system ; he trusted they would soon turn their attention to the improvement of the Con stitution. There was no man to whom he and the country would look with more confidence than to bins who hail already done so much. The exertions of the Right Honourable Secretary of State for the Houie Department in amending the: Criminal Law entitled him to general' gratitudo. 'But the country expected more &rim him ; and more he (Mr. Pallmer) firmly believed the Right • Hon. 'Gentlemen -would perform. Among his other efforts he trusted that the Right lion. Gentleman would ascend to the' very source of our freedom, and would proposis such mea sures as would secure purity of election. ' He trusted the Right Hon. the President of the Board of Controul would also excuse hint if be reminded him, that distinguished as hie Noble Relative's name was in the annals of the country, his best fame rested on whit he had done to secure purity of electiorn—(Hear, hear) Lord ALTHORP briefly replied : he, admitted that sortie of the desirable objects could be attained only by Bill, but expressed his apprehension, that there would be no chance of the concur rence of the other. House of Parliament. They must do what they could, therefore, by Resohitimi. He admitted that it Was daugerons,to allow one party, .with the assurance of ' indemnity, to possess the means of harassi ng the eth e r ; b ut h e ob s e rved that, practically, few instances of the kind would occur; and with those instances the House might find some mode of dealing. How ever, its' he' observed that there was a general feeling to that etfeet,, he would not:note press the Resolutions, but withdraw Ids motion. ....-The Motion was accordingly withdrawn. NON-QUALIIFICATION OF A 3IEMBER. • The SPEAKER informed the House that he had received a letter from a Gentleman, who had been elected to serve in the present Parliament,' hut who, for certain reasons, declined taking his seat. He would, with the permission of the House, read the letter. The Speaker accordingly read the following letter : " Sin—Having without my knowledgebeen elected to serve in the present Parliament for the Borough of Downten, it Weenies my duty to take the earliest opportunity to request you to inform the Honourable House, that I am not qualified to take my seat, inasmuch as I urn not possessed of the estate required, in the Act passed in the 9th year of Queen Anne. " I have the honour to be, &c. &e. " H. SOUTHEY," ADDRESS TO THE THRONE. • Mr. LIDDELL, end Mr. W YNN being called open by the Speaker to bring up the %port of the Address, the former Gen alcunan appeared with the Report, whicl, was read by the, Clerk ,of the House. Upon the Report heieg read ni,zcond time, • Mr. WESTERN said, he rose for the porpose of proposing au Amendment to the Athlrees. 'He was induced to otter himself to the attention of the House, from the necessity of filling up what appeared to him a very material emission in the Speech from the Throne. The address now before the House adverted to the di,- toped state of the manufacturing classes throughout the kingdom, but it wholly omitted to notice the agricultural classes, although the labourers in agriculture were suffering under an extreme' de pression. He thought it more necessary to advert to their situa. • lion, because the Speech lamented extremely the distress prevalent amongst the manufacturing- poor; and, this exclusive sympathy had a direct tendency to confirm an opinion which unhappily pre veiled, that the agricultural classes were flourishing at' the ex_ pence of the manufacturing interests. Such an opinion did most unfOrtunately prevail among the numufactiu ing labourers, al though nothing could be more unfounded, and the tendency of the Speech was undoubtedly to confirm the error. They had even heard such an opinion expressed by a Worthy Aldernum in that House, though nothing could be more eelamitous than that this different classes should be placed iu a suite of hostile title ing to each other, or that they should lie taught to think that the prosperity of the one was the tulvers'4 of the other. It was important Cu,up the umiseioya in the Addrese, since the Agricultural climes were unquestionably in. its a it p g r s t rltt e i l t t o u f i r l e t t o l :l i t e a g i d i r t e :n t t a e, V i s i e t d r P ET s e t:d i e bl s , : u t i t i r d tli e t rs c i t u d tt i t T q n atititearCitaetti: itr:te.:ll.lt:reurrant,vntisl:iirlwae°s:raedteitevt er worse lode). Such was their state ; but he could tell the House thet their calamities were increasing.' he coining higher, 'and he believed that danger was to be appre hended, unless a material change could be effetted in their circum stances. It was important; therefore, that the House should not suffer it to go forth, and which the Specelt impnlied , diet they en tertained an idea that the manufacturing poor were suffering exclusively. lie was not of opinion that the present price of grain was Made4nitte. Ile thought the remunerating price de. ponied upon the hurtbens to which! the producers were exposed. He contended, that at the present nuenent the price of grain was lower in comparison to the charges inipoped upo n 'a gr i cu l ture, than it ever had bean i n any period of the history of the country. Ile would compare it with the prises antecedent to the war corn— mencing. iu 1793, and which were as high, within three or fuur , shillings, -as the prices of the present hour. 'Yet et that period s the twos amounted to sixty Could any body doubt that dustry i+ it thence aroma c'tthis weight ill' dition of the ag ssuNerings e:ate‘tvfr:ditraeitisiaulteitittli'x,i'retut(otiailntn:rh'feactueldiee:lip:ltitli.n'ala:?ulertlseenty.etuhesletn;e;l:athiddilri:l;itief.:4l4::::::tsalenatldlrotE:r:iyilltsiti:llvt .41;131:),arsoleti:iplvnirtoqt::4111;ieininnceildr": of grain u me present moment to advert. He did, well as the manufacturing interests to ;I:teal" th at, o nly one year wel l the mauufacturing poor "ere pwsperity, and the prim of wheat Wag thtli nines i h - tio ---- itt r ' pr ; la i e t. The price ofhread had little to .1 • cly : of the manufactur , wish ..o w i th the present state i r te the t wish at ing ititerests, high the manufacturing interests g u ' Lp ere ,. " 1 ". MY. It‘v wheat ivoaosntattOt!Vi',..7,l7.7 the House -oef that the priee of grain ha t! a") " du triSupeFesetliguaoltee'ititilhttte itt'4ottiEl.::d.arinitiarlf7:l:llllll3.2olth°l't'tlieldlie:rtEtiteler'el;ea:tieteili:teeenristlrifil'tlalP.lteiro°Bl:ll.P‘ihet:e i p r i i i t en y n: a s t i o d fh a st d ,oje v : : : ivi : : it Y pt.; • : : :a t ig e : 7 l.,a L ti : , : l t re : .c r e ‘yi u ni t g . i. r l e ts E fa s t i:a o. c ft e ntti t ied l e te co tr i l i i vu n it a eiiw t t i y o s i : i nht o oe f atti t 11 : 1 y 8ee ta h le'v t 4 a e a 4 : :: 1 , ::. 1 " : "1 : 4r i t t " i disastro u s . i t t t g t 6h e a s t a t t l eh i A i a : d m ue' ti tyr ti v t r wh ich . u : nitlazelt ter tcwoatPei the ier e 4441 ,' he Throne, to the • fa l lowi n g effect :.--- Tr -fi l ' t : Cemmont feel it their duty repre' your ... .t a art u ,resit your majesty, et the same time to express a tl t i l e d ir a.d d v ee er p Itural claesea thou h not seem the r .gret, that the Agy"iu g stal ;ewe they did a few years ago, particularly in the year . I " 7 gt arc yo ; e a state . secm pressure, from the heavy burtneos to which a c l i t a e s r s i: ,s tit i za ve ol ex pig i. : n r i j oc4 tY aiucs tce wlr chi ba°t let! to this dreadful thins . exP°'ed. soil they ttr:ecey:ttirlueselt lusts they s les il ni Zter of tla t t li z e ue l a v u ii ti r of Festering the Agriculture, Commerce,