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I t 110 LASE OF• PEEdis, THURSDAY, .MAY 17. The LORD ADVOCATE o Scotland was heard at if gth in a C.mmittee ot Priviieg-s on the claims ot Lady Essex. Kerr to the R 'think Peerage. Several Public and Private Bills were brought up . fri)m. the Corm))Ons and read .a first time. Among the former were; 'the Hawkers', and Pedlars' , Bill, the Irish High Reads, and Embezzlement Bills: .The order for mimmoning their Lordships on the following motions were discharged, and new orders issued for the following 'notices on their respe6tive days Lord MRLVII.I.E . ti, motion respekiitig the employ ment of Ships of War as Transports was fixed fur Monday next. Lord DoNougnmofte's- motion on the Petitions from thelti,hCathuliei was fixed for Tneschly in stead of Monday next ; and Earl GREY'S' ini•tion for an Address to his Majes ty respecting the present stale of the Nation was defittitivey tixecilor,Viidaythe Ist of June. of - the clamour and discontents uit hoot doOrs. liament wouid ad not in obedience to ,sUch, cla mours, lant from the' coilvittion that they were do- . ing what was right. The people would see that, and the well disposed; the great reajdrity, would ba satisfied. It Was not among them -that the discos- tents prevailed, but among those whoin nothing,: short of confusion and anarchy would satisfy. Such '" would always be found in this Country.. HeAtad .observed them. for the last - sixteen ~ears. At one time their cry was, no King, no Nobility. They, * however, soon found that these designs were dupe rate, and that they must siek the,attainment of their •. object through otherareays. Their effort now is to degrade and vilify the charade-a of thp House of Commons, well aware,o hat if once they could sue -coed in breaking down that branch of the Constitu tion, the fall of-the Monarchy and, their Lordships' House would naturally and necessarily follow. Such were the designS against which their Lordships had" *now to guard. An attack was. made on. the charac ter, on the dignity, on the honour and the privileges of the other Huse, _and that attack must be re pelled, and set at defiance; because all Would go, - if that great branch of the High Court of Parliament,: if the privileges of the House . of Commons, which existed only for the good of the 'people, could be invaded with impunity. The Noble Earl talked loudly Of theCondua of Ministers; of their will ex peditions, of Waluheren, ace. and of their general inability to coodutt the affairs of the country. He would tell that Noble Earl., that if he had no stronger weapon to wield_aginst Ministers than the present Bill, it would just have as much, riled. iii attacking suck Adininktration, as' the little linger of a' child could have tupulling down a iliountain.. He did trot think it possible to ,amend the Bilt in.a Com mittee ; he should therefote voce against the second reading'; intitnatihg, •hoWever, that he might hint 'self introduce u Bill for suspending tile granting of places in reversion, until full information could he laid before the House respecting the merits of the , qut4tion, and the best mode'of proceeding.resped ing, it." Lord 'Maevnea — ridiculed the arguments by which the Bill 'on Trirmer occasions had been chiefly supported. What, said the supporters of it, can be more absurd than to grant placeslopersons yet un-, born, and of whose capacity to fill such places no idea could previously be formed ?—This objection the Noble Earl %Vould do well seriously , ' to turn in. his - inind•; their Lordships should all give it a pro per degiec of attention,: they would then see how far it went to affeet their awu hereditary honours and distinctions, The Noble Earl was destined to be a statesman—an hereditary adviser of the Crown before he was born ; and who could haye been cer tain before-hand that the Noble Earl -would have proved such a light to that `House, such an ornament.' to his country, as he now proved to be ?. Besides the high dlstinction of the peerage', the moat splen4 did the Soveteign could bestow, was often the re ward of the brilliant and meritorious services of the father ; and how could a father. be' More satisfac torily' rewarded than by conterrieg favours and ho nours upon him which were to descend to his, and to his latest posterity., In the same manlier were places in :reversion eoatited. - The father's services were doubly 're-Warded by coutieeing the - reward to his 'on. -- JVthough he thought the Bill ohit-ction-, able enough- in most or its_ provision's to be rej,cted, yet, he would suggest .thelirbprie:y of :deferri ng decision tipon tt tor' three:weeks or so, 'in order to see whether. the other. House of Parliament would furrish any - new grhunds to justify its adoption. Earl GREY confessed he bad 'strong objectioc:s to that 'clauSe in the Bill, which would gi‘ve to, either IlOuse of Patliament .the right of recommending what, places :should, Sr should not; •-be granted in - reversion. He shOchl hoWeYer vete for the second ; reading of the Bill, and wait for the Conimittee to get the objeCtioeatale clause amended. He did, not agree 'with the Noble Lords who preceded him es to elle source of the present discontents, which he feared were very L!eep and general. The real cause of them was ,to be found ie 'the overwhelming Hese surer of the . present taxation, and the oppressive mode Of levying the taxes. It would therefore tend to appease and mitigatet hat discontent if any effort, however small, was Made to alleviate the burthens of the people. The, present would at least h:ne that tendency ; to resist it therefore, was to §liew that DO disposition existed on the part of Parliament to meet the Wishes, or lighten the pressure of the burthens of the people. Lord SIDMOUTH could not approve of the. pro visions of the Bill. "They," went to deprive the Crown of a prerogative which. it had immemorially enjoyed, to tratisfer,it to Parliament, in whose 'mods. it could not 14 more properly placed. Long expe rience had sensibly told us that our benevolent So vereign was always anxious to. listen to _the wishes" and to promote the happiness of his People, and to suppose that he would abuse that branch of the pro rogative which made him the fountains and rewards, was to derogate from that character of justice and benevolence which he had uniformly maintained. • The Earl Of lAvEaroor. agreed in all that had fallen from his Noble and Learned Friend on the Woolsaak. In his mind it was unpossibleto amend the Bill in the Committee. Not a clause of it, not even the title .or pr,amble could be left ; he -.saw no use, therefore, in sending it to a Committee.--a AS to the observations made respeCting the pressure• of the taxes,. and the unwillingness of MiniSters to gratify or relieve the people, he should be ready to discuss these points whenever they came fairly be fore the noise. All he should observe now was, that the wealth and commercial 'presperity of the country were now so great that they folly enabled the .people to meet all the, demands on them which the 'exigencies of the ,State and of the times required; and that the amount of the taxes at this day, in pro s . portion to the .present means and wealth of the na tion, were not greater thaietlie taxes at the times of King William, with a view to the means and the wealth of the Country under his reign. Lord CALIYSFORT adopted the same liOe of argu ment as Lord Grey, Lord Redesdale, and that ef" the Lord Chancellor; after which the question was put on the second reading of the Bill, and negatived without a division. • The LORD CUANCELLOR then moyeti - that the Bill be 'rejected ; which m...tion was ';;tl , o Hgr.•eil 10 without a .divisinn,Adjourned at Nine o'ecick. • REVERSION BILL - The Order of the .Days being read. for the second reading of the Bill to regulate the granting of Places in Revetsion, k.rt GROIVENOR rose, 'and, moved that the Bill be now read - a second time. In bringing forward this motion at the present moment, the. Noble Lord felt on many accounts no sMall,degree of uneasiness - and anxiety, When he c'itiSidered the state and feelings .of the country under the present condition of public affairs, and the Oat aeter of those by whom the; were administered, hellitruld not hut entertain very serious apprehens!ons respeCting the fate of,the present Bill. Very deep and general discontents were known to _ prevail. Some imagined that the discontent prevailed only among a few Ter!aris, whom nothing could satisfy. Others, and with more truth, were well aware that a very large proportion of the people of this country were discon tented at the severe pressure of the accumulated bui -, - thens under which they _laboured. The sufferings of the latter had a strung claim on the, notice and at tention of their Lordships. Now the Bill before the Ilotise-, was ene which the people anxiously look ed was the commencement of that system of reform' and reduftion of expenditure with the prorni. , e of which they had so long been flattered ; but with the perforthance, of which thei' wereyet to be grati 'fied. This measure, _the first which. the . Finance - Committee:Of the other House had bestowed so. much pains upon, came in different shapes twice be fore their Lortk,h:ps, 'and was twice ,rejected, al though it had passed the other House of Parliament almost unanimously. - Mat tpust the people think and; feel, if it is now to be rejet.ted a third 'time ? Must not stich a treatment of the Bill*xasputate the discontent too generally ditfi-sed among the great mass of the people.; and _must it not lend a powei flit handle to the designing and Winded to m's lea(t I irritate the public mind with regard' to the attention paid by Parliament to the general wishes and s,tat ings f the nation ? • lie should not now rt -urge the art : Rile:its which had been so repeatedly. ad. anced in support of souie tneaure of the nature of the pre-ete. They must be still fresh in the Cit. co le:tiun of th tr p ircishipS. Mete whoapoint- or two, how ,er, vi Melt. he must bti. fly touch. 'As the pi 1..c.p1e - of the present Bi:t, an attempt to com mence a ,}'stein of t cut:only, was the same with that of the former .it was unncessary to say any thing in its supper+ t. It shoold, ioa ever, he rt- mem-. bored that the power of granting places in reversion, at all tinies a danetous power, was-peculiarly so at the present moment, when it might be wielded as a gigantic engine of clandestine' corruption by the men now in power, violated the Constitution on their very ently into place, who squandered the hood and-treasure 01 the conntry• in absurd expedi"-- tions, who detained our brave troops id a-pestilential climate, daily wasting away in - lingering and inglo, rious deaths, who detained them even-long after any rational hope could be entertained of acctuplishing any of the - obje:. - ts of the Expedition, and who were still pur.wicg romantic schemes, which were likely _ to be attended with consequences. equally disatit►ous and dissracetul ? Could any power, especially a power of so snlister an - operation, be- solely entrusted to such lunds ? On a former occas:on, a Noble Se cretary of State (Liverpool) had thrown out some enigmatical and oracular expressions, with regard to the mode of proceeding to be pursued respeatiug the .present Bill ; but be waited with eager expectation for the di-closo re of the Noble Secretary's se . u.:,:ment* on this,head, but he had WAited in vain: He trusted howeVer that the House, would do its duty—that it would recolleCt the pains which the other House of Parliament had bestowed upon the Bill. That they would be mindful of the respect which was dee to ihe - other House, and above all, that they would not for get what the people expeCted from them on a point to W hich their feelings were now so - sorely alive. On these grcunds, he trusted the House would, give their full concurrence to the present .motion. The Loan 'CHANCELLOR contended, that the Bill now before their Lordships was essentially different, .both in its principle and in its enactments from those which had already been presented. The principle of, the former Bills .went to7the abolition of all places in reversion. The object of the present Bill, was to regulate the mode in which they were to be granted. It would vest the power of granting them, not in .the Crown, in which that ,right was inherent from the earliest times, but in either House of Parlia iment. Thus - Parliament was called upon to take .that prerogative from the Crown, aod to bestow it upon themselves. Was this the principle 'of the former Bill ? Would this be a tair and coostitu ttonal mode of proceeding ? Certain he was that if there was nothing else objectionable in the Bill, that clause alone was sulficicnt io rcndcr it inadmis ;iole.—The Noble Earl talked mtich of the,dicon tept among the people. 'There might be disconl tent and ail designs'among a certain description of men ; but neither proceeded frOm the Cause to which the Noble - Earl wnuld impute tied. The people at large thought ve:y little 4 and e:Oeeled no relict at all from the abolition of places that were granted in reversion. They would tiod no •a‘ing in it : no alieviannof their 'burthens. But . did the NolLeEarl mean to intimidate the House into the" adoption of his motion, by holding out the threat ' I.OI,;DpN : Printed by l<l CIIA tt I) HARRIS, or No. 4, Mar tiett-coart, Bow-sttect 411.1 Pi. blished by WI LLI A M Alt VW; 1: It StAti PI'S, South Malton.sttee:, Gr,,Evenor sq zalet, At the SCN•OI : TICE, No, /.12, Strafed, where Adverlisepents, Orders for the Paper, Letters for the Editor, Sze. (post-puid), must b.: addicss2d. MR. R. O'CO.NIVOR & SIR F. BUIst.DEZ.T. Concluded from Wednesdiy.] In consegeence of iheSe letters he was sent for and brought in custody to Dublin. During the time he was in Dublin,new informations bad been lodg ed against hint. A french Officer named Hebert, a prisoner of war on his parole, gave information to General Coote, that a ,wicked conspiracy was going. forward . in the country;. that Mr. R. O'Connor was at the head of that chnspiracy, and he did po sitively swear that Mr. O'Connor had . Solicited him to go to Frapce with letters from him to`the Direc tory, and this was.eorroborated by the evideoce of a man named Cullinan ;. but on Mr. o"Connor's''' ; trial, the French Otlicer knowing he would be ex changed, and apprehensive of being called to ac count in France if be should be known to give evidence to the.convieticin of O'Connor en such a subjec'f, belted to be excused, and therelgre did not give evidence on the trial ; and Cullinan's evi- 7 deuce was fOund insufficient of itself to .his comic- Lion. At the 'time Mr: Pelham, had an interview with Mr. O'Connor, .he did not know of elle new infor mJtions Judged against him ; Mr. Pdham at that time consented to his liberation on the solemn and express condition of his -immediately quitting the kingdom, which he solemnly promised - he' would do,_ expressing much gr Allude for the lenityhe ex perienced, and only asking permission to return for e few days to settle his affairs, and prepare for his speedy deprture. 'Butwhen did he next appear ? In 'two months afterwards, at the assizes Colk (though not usually a practising Barrister), aalitig itA a professional capacity,- for the 'defence of twelve notorious traitors, then on their OW for high trea son, his own tenants, and as well known by the appellation of. O'Connor's gang ! through the whole county, nay, much better than by their own names. So true it is that •` A littlelearning is a dangerous Dangerous, indeed; when it gets lino the head of such a man as Mr. O'Connor, to be perverted to the most mischievous purposes. He succeeded in his objed ; the chief witnesses were spirited away, and by his presence and his influence he obtained the acquittal of this -gang; in consequence of which he was huzze'd and 'carried in 'a sort of triumph round the city by the mob of Cork. The exami nation of Cuilinan and Hebert were returned in due coarse -to the Grand Jury, without the knowledge of Government 3' bills for high treason were found' and O'Connor arrested 'towards the close of the Assizes. When . Mr.' O'Connor was apprehended upon this new.charge, be demanded an instant The Government of the country knew nothing of the circumstances, but if it did, was the Govern ment of the country summarily to interfere,' and snatch not of the hands of the Court the bits of indittment to extricate a favourite tra . tor front the due course of law ? _Ha demanded trial ; the learn ed Jud i e who Presided did not think hinfself war:- ranted to Proceed to trial under the circumstances of the case; hut when he was brought to trial in the spring of .1798, froM the circumstances of Hebert, declining to appear, he was acquitted, not through any proof eif• his lent:wet - lee, of failure of testimony adduced, but for want of prosteet,ien,- Add then a mob bore him.off in 'triumph through the wreets,. nultooiit %kith Cat Ale , xllsation. =. ,1 insulting the" Court by their conturnacous clamour There' was .another circumstance, which, if any clOubt could exist of. this man's gult, after what had been read from his own letter, must 'place the fact of his a compliceship in the late re bellions conspiracy beyond doubt. WI en the late Lord Edward Fitzgerald had .absconded from justice, his papers were seized at Leinster House, and among them were found a letter from Ar thur ,CYConner, who had quitted the country, and was then in England preparing for his depar ture to France, which relates to the pu'olica.- tion or another paper similar to " The Press," which had been published in Dublin, • to for ward the purposes of. Rebellion; the paper' was called, "-The Harp of Erin . ," which was designed to play in unison with " The Press" the same trea sonable concert. The seditious paper, ailed : " The Harp of Erin," was set'on foot at Cork, in combi nation with a man of the named Sweeny, who is now in prison for High Treaien, and' who was de clared by the-dying confession of the Sheares, to be one of the Rebel Executile Dire&Ory. • • FROM ARTHUR TO ROGER O'CONNOR. London, Feb. 13, int •I have sold all my property In Burdett, yet it may still go on it, my name, and the rents are to be to Hugh Bell, Esq. '4O, Charter-house,. square. Mr. Bell has been for some time past coll, tined in England on a charge of High Treason." " Sweeny"—[This is the person who has been : most partieularly active as a traitor in the City of Cork—the man who appeari by the dying confes sion of the Sheares to love been one of the new Ex ecutive Dire6.tory]. Sweeny said he would uncicrtake to receive the rents." * , " If you can sell the estate of Cork,- Burdett will sign the deed of sale, as he has a, deed from mp, • If this could be done. it would be.of great use, as I could di-pose of the money to the greatest aciianiage. All This I depend on yqur and SK eeny's, exertions for." • * * * * " I have heard of concessions, but I lay little stress on them; if people are true to themselves : they must be free." . " Edward will hear of-me more regular than-you, and will tell you of me until we meet.", " Nothing cari' be worse than the 'stare of their finances here ; they arc alarmed to the heart, so much so as to plairde-i - paate innsure.L,• Scotland is Irish all over." Now, said Mr. Attorney General, ifany man wi:o has heard what I have road, (aod 1 know a great. deal more, and of a still deeper cast, - of this man, which I am not warranted to dile - lase, because should be obliged therein to name other traitors not TA in .custody, kt ho might take advantage of the ciisclOsure.anti fly trot, jugice), if any man, I say, after Leafing what I hale read, (an eniertain.a of the treason of this Man; and his intimate connecT tiun and combination with his brother and other le.:ding traitors in the . llitte ciainSpiracy— . .f there is a na.tn who hear; me, and .was now sail: l to decide as a Juror before any Court in Irelaild, and does not.. feel that he would be ju , tifieJ before 'Pod, and to his own *conseience, io.finding a verdict of GuilTy— then shall I, as Jn Officer ot: the Crown, acknow. s , s ledge the cruelty *and, itjustice which has been this night chargedUpttn the authors of 'his detention. I will - tell the Hon. Gentienian,and I am not ashamed to qvcw; that I am the Law Officer of the Crown who itd , ised the detention of the tri.itor in prism, It is with reluOancet I am forced to ch 'fig his crimes into view; but I Jria bound to do it in vindteittion mys•-11 and the Executive Government ; aid I do. • not hesitate tO say, - that any Of the Crown who would. advise the Crown to let loose upon the couutry so dangerous a 'traitor, would be respoosible; for every drop of blood thrit would be' spilled in : consecoence.: The Lord Lieutenant of the country :. would deserve to b e impeached if,- vil e r re.ceivini.. •the letters I have read, he•did not pursue this malt. to the ; • and . 'I :will be the - man to advise. : , GoVern moot to hunt t ltropgh the eaith.th€ men have aimed at the sub version of the. State and the.. destru6tion of Our happy Coostitution. II the Go' vernntent of th'e country has erred on any side, it has been on the side of lenity to -traitors. • Its the case of Crtimp and Gubbins, at • C,asfiebar,, traitors caught in die very '4l(;t of rebellion who for their ought •to hate bt.en . gib%etect steeple-high), when carried before a court they were only sentenced to transpor t-Atota and yet the easy good nature of same Grntlemen 1-a4' been prevailed on to intercede in la vow of tho.e persons, no doubt from the purest mtitives: with respect to this man, 1 ctught to.be disolissed My 'office this instant if I could ne capibly (know.; frig what I. do) to advise his liberation. With re.. gpect . to the situation of ltis wife and family, no man can More feclicgly regret tilan- I do their var• .ticipation- in his misfortunes ; but surely that cimistance is not Miltritable to the officers of ti!e Crown, or the Executive Government,•but to tho misfortune of that lady's'eulLippy connection, and the necessity which at one time existed . of seducing him from • all communications wi:h his aisociates. But as to the circumstances of his imprisonment, •L deny positively that iGovertirtirent ever- iii any id stance warranted any uritie;saty rest' iction, or that 1• his situation was not as cOmfbrtable, gen4aily speak ! ing, as the nature of the circumstances would admit. He concluded by advising the Hon. &enticing] (who he was confident must. have been imposed oo) to withdraw his Motion.: ' • Sir J. Fa.Exe lie too had an early friehilship for the unfortunate ',Gentlemam who • was the sub ject of -discusSion : a he- now considered <hirrisf acting as a lurch ''iron his case, and be•declar'ed upon his honour, that from ;a l e whole - of whist he had' 'heard front the Attorney - . General, thought no man ever tell ritrre 'avionsly, Within the put view of the act ;or suspending the.--Habeas' •„ Mr. - LEE rose and sail he was never more asto nished, considering the evidence. addu ed the Attorney-General," than that an - Hon. r Ale! ir be r should have taken up so mucn 01 tie time or• tfje nous,: vindicaiion of such a Man. lie stated: the species of overt Itt;ts which in the eye 01 0" ): • law constitute high t eaqon, and said - this 'man Lod . combined in his` cotidort'the only time eni.l which constitute treason, namely, tompa•swg King's death by exerting raellion within ir , e mmattoo laying war. against. time King, by eitibA inn adj, arming men . to resist the King's troops, as in 414 0 case, of the _Musketry )ecjaien ; Leside cons, ihn4 with the.eitemies of the King at open I,var, in " (1 ° caie of endeavouring" to dispatch'a with credentials to the French "Directory to the state of tins country and invite.` invasion. W' s there to be found a Jury of twelve honest men in this kingdom whO would not find hits guilty 111)V' the proofs adduced :this night 3. It was inip, , s;ib °, there ShOUld ; and for his part ht F:houhl tate to declare that any Attorney-General, or OtilderOf.'Government, who could a d v i se the It% ting 'loose "Such a man,. would ckset've try supply' b' lace in iisdn. • p. • , Mr. Donas rose to express his full a s s e nt to th: same opinion, .and declared, from what l i e hai, night lizlard, • if ever,there was a man that fell n l ° ) '"f, • prominently than another within 'the - purview the Habeas Corpus Stupension Act, it was this we r i man,; and as long as That suspetisiOn were to esi . ' be should continue of this °pit - ilea. An • 11°13 ; Member in the outset of his speech had i3tati•d; the Treaty with the 'persons cnnAned son, had originated with Governtn . ent : himself the person Who, at the earnest Th e , agent - _those, of prisoners, entidertOoi.: the ciation with Government, and he felt it his (.W)' declare,- that in every instance the treaty. I - . 7 .. from the prisoners, and in rib Instance front vernmenr, whose lenity : and magnanimity on• 1 6 1. occasion he highly, extolled. `He hoped, afierW`l3'ii,e had passed, the Hon. Member Would wiihdravi.. motion. Mr. O'DONNEL accordingly rose, aeknowlc . - he had acted under the warmth of his feeling' ". i ty an old friend, whom he conceived to be,.,V 5 ,,,,„ and unjustly. oppressed ; 'circuoistarices, p' had been ,stated by the Attorney General t C was by -no means rrepared to expect. V i t o those ctreumstawci, and the sense of House, ,he should tuit think of pteising7his 7;°,ti , 'and therefore begged leave to withdraw withdrawn. . . Iv/ If tt I • On the 3d inst. at 13,:lvidere•p!ace, Dublin, Tv - i;ro' . Campbell, Esq. of AclinAcr.,iAi, Cainan in the Scot' t Miss' Henrictta Florence Gur.ue 13e11 - Laid fle.ny Guine Li. 0 At i II 9 ret urn from France. Mr. hie Richardson, Mochant, ot ,thilta, to Awn 1 :01 ! , ) .,I * ? 4 , rend ct.iugliter of F. F. Folsch, Esq. ;Us SW: ,list; Ali 9 ,1: 0 1 0 - Consul at I'l;q4eincs, mat g,an.l ilauxltt;r of Sif N,,tvenitani, of Black I,k , ck , n at /4/ri, - , rees tofi e On Tuesday morning last, at Leicester, lohn ,st:e ° ' Wilson, Esq.,. of that City, formerly of 'DQught.r - . r _, 5 1 ' T Londheon. - • same evening, at his house i , Arlinoon-btrec"" - George Caulfild, sq. , On the t(nit e tiis. l suddenly, at Lapw., tii; Viiir s. e v i `ttO ti f ir(;l Eta th;.-. wite igt the Kett lames, Way, Al.it• l Adwel Wedne l,trx s(..dan. o , o', Oa y 1 i t, Mr, Richatd Sii,litue, of Ne` , . Surrey, aged 67. At Coleton, in Devon, I 'en. - y ‘Vilson, Esq •la ° coal 'bander in the Hon. gast • I. di t Com oan) ',I Service T, ahr ~4 th o° o th h °rd