The Sun. — London, England, 1809-03-28 00:00:00

Lar forty years no prosecution had ben instituted • wacre•the libels were stated to be false and rna• It then went on to state, that various int aormalitjes.had ocettrre.d in the. course of the proceed• it . gs which had .been instituted against hit% and to l,tnvc that his punishment was too severe, as the truth of the letter had never been questioned. He therefore thought it his duty,to lay the whole before the House, s leet. ahe treatment he received should be made a pre ,cedent-•te-justify similar. conduct towards others. It then set, forth the. various,plivations to which he had betn subjeeted since hit - imprisonment, stating, that 'Kalb he wag in it very ill state of health, 'Which fadt. was proved.,by Elie. certificate. of his physician, be. had riot, been. permitted far three months to have access to the open air,' any- further than that he' had . 5e4 allowed to walk in a little stone yard, where tougglers•and others were permitted to take•ahe air, 'and where being ebligedao walk in.a circular direc a . !inn, .agaatsvaied the indisposition underwhiat he lalioureci so much, that he was compelled s to give 'hp Aal‘ing the air at. all. Thbugh he had solicited per -,its ion, by latter and otherwise, to Walkio the gar- Li-I, that indulgence had utver been granted, though prisoners had been buttered to do so; and it Ni OS not till lately, that through the interference of a Niaaratrate, he had been allowed half an hour each nay to, take 'the air j aaccempanied. by a gaoler:-: He 1:41 . 3 wife and two sons, .but being impair:tied at suet. a distance from his former residence and 'conk I.,ectioos, he was denied thesociety of one of his , sons: 1 ley v". 11!: takt.'n lodgings in .lierchestei,-, but- had' tee` access to him, and was neveradmittedtoare, torn but at a late hour. Theie fitCis he wished to be. allowed, to prove before a Select Committee, or at the ilar'of the House. Mr. CALCEAFT said, he had misited Mr, White in Gloucester Gaol, in the summer; that he had'com . plained - th him that he could not have unrestrained intercourse with his family, though. he admitted that his Wife was allowed to .be with him eight hours vne day, and 'one of his suns the same portion, of ;Atwater ; but he lamented that this indulgence - ,was • not extended to Sundays. The reason he was not permitted to take the air in the garden was, that per mission had been much abused by Mr. Gilbert 'Wakefield, whc. had excited a sort of insurreCtion among the prisoners. He had, however, been al friaed to take the air one 'hour each day, at wh a t 'foie he pleased, accompanied by the, gaoler, or some trusty peraon. With this indulgence Mr. White had expressed himself satisfied, and thanked hint (Mr. Calciatt) for his interference in his behalf, and pro ! - - ; nris•::d,. that: if, during his'imprisonment, he 6110Uid g4itili have occasion to complain, he would COlOnlti‘ 9 11W,Ite to him (Mr. Caleratt) the grievannes of which lie complAit.ed. The Hon. Member: then stated tout Mr. White had'a room in that part of the gaol alipropriated to female prisoners ; it was airy, spa. cams, and papered' (papered though at Mr.-White's expence), nod was indeed as commodious an apart tne.rit as he had ever seen in his Majesty's barracks.. • He was 'allowed as hours it, the course of a week to eiijoya he seciety his family, and wheti•he wig tui wife had 'been stnlered:to attend trim both tidyand . , ttle . ht. ‘Vith these incitdgences Mr. White 411'expicssed himself satisfied : he (Mr. Calcraft) 'was therefore of opinion, that he had been wrought on to'prastinta Petition, which (unless some change had recently been made) coittained several misreprea stfotatioasS. , Mr. ASTLHY COOPER spoke to the comforts•of White'ti situation, and corroborated the testi ttiony of the last Speaker. • Mi . . WHITBREAD was glad the treatment of Mr. 'While was less severe than be had at tint imagined. The Petitions egne to' him from Mr. White's son, wt., had obliitett on him, and who, at hisinstiga h corrected some parts of the Petition. fie, iejoi,.cd that such CU:el:Wye rigour no longer exist regretted that such a putibliment . had ever been, intlidert.. Aftsr `it- few 'Words from Mr. CALCUAFT, the Spealter•observed, that the Petition bore on,its'face hinny erasures, . which Mr. .Whitbread,, , in, reply, stated to have been by Mr. 'White's son. The Speaker,then.ternarked, that it was interlined in a thtfistent hand : this,. Mr. Whitbread stated, was likewise.done by Mr. Whitea'Son.. The Speaker said, in that case it could not be the Petition of the party, and was irregular. In Consequence of which it was withdraw n. ' - • ritZEMANTLE moved, that the accounts of the expellee attmling furnishing Spain with \ord ulluce,, atop', Eze. be laid before the House. . iilr, `Joist FANS' presented a PaiiitHl irOM Capt. Huxley ,Sanders, row in Newgate, stating, that he jsad ser“itl his Aisje4y in the West 'lndies, in the American War, on the coast of France, and in Spain,. ie.all 00411'11,0t thirty years; that in the service he Itadicst an eye; and that till, the late investigation ) ) 4 chr t rader Tad ever been unsullied. It went on Ca sttitg, that through his , horse plunging down a precipice, he bad experienced a concussion on the t.ra;n, which, added to .the fatigue he had so recently rzppiienced in Spain; combined with the circum .stAllee (,: neing placed in a situation so new.a n d ecW tendered him hardly conscious of *41.4: ed . at. their Bar, awed. as he was by emit j,i, e. Five vi'eel , ss had elapsed 'siitce . by their ender he had been co:pined in Newgate : hel Was s e nsio, of the' impropriety he must have corn- . milted he presumed to addreks them earlier, but Ise now humbly' implored their clemency in - Consi deration' of the circuinstanees set kith above.' A ciltititate, signed by Di. W. Lind, was then read, staiing that ht; had received great injury thro t4 gb hk liorsQ . l,lt4tiging into a gravel pit.—After which, he was ordered to 'be brought . up to-morrow andditi-. charged. Sir A. WeI..LESLEY gove notice, that he would AW 10-1110r1OW tilgt the House cep reiiolve itself ion a Committee on the Irish Militia Completion Bill, Lord CASTI.LnEAcur :brought up the Returns of ry and otlwr Forces co barked fur Spain t ..- Otrcti to lie on the table. sir , .1 4 in N Novront moved for the Exporikand LTbrlfi to and from ail parts of America. ' Air. hose , . bbewk:d, by avariety of alatement3, that our trade h; :ti suffered but a very lbeousiderithle di wimdion. Mr. \Vtirri tunp wished h;s stp.temeuts might I , lt.ve Vortvci ; but 11 (Ti.entLi Orange tu him that 1 1,t. ('t ii Le .“) 11,1:t h os apprelicnd t li{ htl'ne btAirical nimeivations on t) t ;r4f.,,vdt:reti 4‘10441.(1 (;ourrituv:it towards 41110- Mr., Rose replied to Mr.. Whitbread's remarks" he only stated facts, of the truth of which every Gentleman might satisfy himself. Mr. WHITBREAD explained. Mr. BARING thought the statemenf made by Mr, Rose an insult to the distresses of the people.. *Mr. ROE said, the H.m. Gentleman had no right to say, when he bid a plain statement before the House, that it was an insult to the distresses of the people. General nit LETON stated, that many had cause to lament sending their merchandize to Cadiz, though that increased the bulk or the exports. In Latic.a- Shire, he knew much despondency existed on ac count of the stop ` put to commerce. , _ _ The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could see nothing like antinsult in ,his Hon. Friend laying a true account of: our.expotts, &c. before the House. No insult,„„he ,thought, could be felt but by those whose propheCies were disappointed. He did. not doubt but Gentlemen, while they perceived the evils under which our commerce had laboured Were fast diminishing, would contemplate' the change in our p ros pea s with pleasure. Alter a few observations from Lord H. PETTY and Mr:nOSE, thesaci:ouuts were ordered to be pro. .:‘ducal. LOCAL MILITIA. 'Lord CA STLE I:AGIi rove, ,cdotding to his notice, to move for leave to bring in a Bill to amend and render more effectual to Bib passed in the last Ses sion,'for establishing a 'Urea Militia. He began by shortly stating . to the House, what had been the re sult of the experiment. of last year. There were at present 250 regimeotiiof Local Militia- r of theselB4 regimeiltiwere for. England, amounting t 0.149,440 Men, and 66 regiments were for Scotland, amount ing` to 45,721 men„ making together a f6ree of 10,t61 The -2.50 regiments would then be rated at an average of ace rank and file for every re' giment---of these te5,000 men volunteered into the Localllilitia, the remainder had been established by .what were called volunteers under the Aft; those who had voluotar4 entered the Lit l Militia with out having been in any former carps ; to the 1 . 25,000 before-mentioned there might be added for 'they°. lunteers under Jlie Act .50 or 60,000 men. Now, according to the plan of year, each of thevolun- Leers under the Act received an additional beinny of two guineas per am, but owing to the strong repre sentations which had been mete to Government trim different parts of Great Britain, particularly • from Scotland, where the asessments on the parishes were felt to be peculiarly heavy, it has `beep thought advisable to eo away that, bounty., of two guineas, and leave it •to the separate ,clis trida voluntarily to assess themselves at,any rate not exceeding one guinea per man. Another consider ation that made thii alteration less' Objedionable was, that it did not appear that there was any necessity for this bounty, in order to encourage the volunteer ing iota the militia ; it would therefore be one of the Ajeetiof tire BM' he 'should move tor, to abolish that Clause in the Aci Of last Session, that gave the .two guineas bounty. As there were counties so pe •celiarly circumstanced, in which persons residing in certain' parts of them could not conveniently attend the training, he should introduce a clause for the pur 'pose of enabling such persons to be trained in any other adjoining county.. He also should suggest an alteration with tespea to the stamp duties on com missions. It was also his intention to equalize 1110 allowances for June and August to the Yeemanry Cavalry; . and as the one was 61. and the other 21. a year, he meant to reduce the former and:raise the latter to 4L a year, as he thought such n' disparity of provision' for the same troops ought not to continue. The whole three 'would then amount to 200,000 of as fiee athletic troops as ub other country ever did or would produce. They no doubt would, in point of discipline be inferior to the troops of the line, but in equipment they would be every way equal to them, The Noble Lord then concluded by, moving; .for leave to bring-in a Bill to amend and render more effectual the Local Militia.A6t. Mr. : Wurrartas, said, that the thing had taken a popular turn, and no doubt numbers were' raised, but as to the magnificent description of therngiven by the Noble Lord, he must Wye had it from Of--' ficers who had not seen them. But when the Noble Lord• talked thus, he ought to recollect that these men were Many taken out - 4Dt . the means of supply for the regular militia and the wary. As the bounty of two guineas had, been begun, he thought it should be continued, although he al; d that ,it had better be paid by the public 511,14 . by an assessment on the parishes. If one guinea only was allowed, the 'volunteering .would be at an end, and the men must be procured by ballot, and the militia be made up of two descrip tions of people, the one of which would be apt to look down on „the other. This diminishing the bounty before ilk number at present was complete, would create a deal of dissatida6lion. Mr. WINDLIA” said, tha w the Noble Lord had spoken with mud) self-complacency on the •great success of his measures; a ballot must produce teen, brit the question w:is,.whetherthe men - thus raised Were worth the sums exruded in . raising,them( The - Noble Loresicitel, t hat they - WirealliiiiCstoul healthy young mcu (though to be sure he bad not seen thump,' they might be soch, but the question was, what soldiers were they i—We had the men :before—his' measures did 'not make them . ; but it was to be aseertained whether they were of more service to the. 'country in their present state, than they were before the Noble Lord's measures were acted upon. it had been said io e tle " here's an awy,better le t, better dressed, anti with more mo ney-in their Pockets, than any 'other, commanded by the wealtliiebi. limners, the most respeclahle' shop kfAvers, and nttorpieC in the greatest pra&ice throughty -thei country." This VCRs a force better by so much per . yard than any Other. It reminded him of a passage in Cynibeline, where cloten asks, " Do you net' know me by my elo2thSr The an. saver to ‘ whieli 'is, " Your taylor.made the best part. of you. Yet the Noble Lord bad spoken as if .Buonaparte and his legions would be afraid to land where stivh,n formidable force existed; 'The regit lars, be thought, would !eel great terror if Supported only by these : little could be 'expected from their co-operatiou: A' band - of hardy peasantS 'had not uhlietioentiy, proved. more forthidable than Such on association of tvd, well 'dressed gentlemen.— The Hon,,Member wits of opinion,. that the Willing ileb6 manifested. by those Who entered into this de. seription of force . , of .beink tor, was no ar gtonc,ht 61rO1izly. a aiu t it. .Stleh zeal May be gd. vAnhigeOuii fe the icterosts . .of that force; but it 'would tend in agreat degree to obstiud the resources for recruiting the regolor army., Ile was indeed ex tremely surprised at the half--way method adopted by the Noble Lord, respecting the yearly allowance of the Volunteer force, 'and,' that of the Local Militia. In the redutlion which he (the Noble Lord) would make, from the highest to the lowest, instead of di minishing he would increase the sum. From every view which the Hon. Gentleman would take of the subje6t, it seemed to him that though the force of the country was by no means increased, yet a consi derable expence was incurred for the purpose. Mr. CURWEN, though he concurred in ille gene' ral utility of the Bill, yet from the spirit denionstbt ed by the country in the formation of the Local Mi litia, he did not conceive that any bounty was'at all necessary. He was sure that 140 out of 150 would have offered their services without it. To him, the measure seemed to be of peculiar interest, so far as it tended to give the country a' military turn. Wheti the security of the Empire was concerned, he con.; ceived that expence should be the least olajoet to be regarded. The force proposed to be raised by this Bill, he teas confident, would be -in every way ade quate; and as a co-operative body, he. believed the regular army would not • think themselves ill sup ported by 'it in the hour of trial. . After a few words from Mr. WlNDlial, in ex planation, _leave was given . to bring in the Bill. Sir J. NEwront moved an Address to his Majes ty, for certain Pipers relative to the Capture of the Island of Capri. It was . of• import, he said, that those papers should be laid beforethe House; as, of two regiments whiclk served on that occasion, lie understood one bad behaved well, and the o her ill. It Would be unfair not to separate -the culPability, and apply it only where. it would attach. Tina was his object in moving for these papers. Lord CASTLERRAOH said' he had no objection to present the dispatches which came at that particular juncture, sod ulterior ones also. The motion of the Hon. Baronet was of course agreed ro. SALE AND. BROKERAGE OF OFFICES. THE CHANCELLOR of 1110 EXCHEQUER rose for the purpose of moving for leave to bring in a bill to prevent abuses in the Sale and Brokerage of Offices. The only statutes which had hitherto existed on this head, were, he said, the 12in of Edward IL and the sth and Gth of Edward VI. Those statutes, only applied to the sale of the offices of Lord Chan cellor, and Lord Keeper, with some others. His intention was to extend the operation of the bill to every other office. The'reischielS and abuses result ing Iron) pretended influence, in the disposal of 'of fices, rendered a system of prevention; unpericiusly necessary. lite influence of his present bill he in tended to be particularly direaed agains.t offices esta blished for the above purposes, and the publication of adveriisernents holding out promises of interfer ence for official situations. He was certain, that if those proceedings were traced, to,their source, abuses would not be found to exist in that dgree..Which would - be imagined. He had the honour some time since to speak of a - prosecution Winch had been com menced against certain persons for improper inter ference in this particular. Were it nit that combi nations existed, there could. have been no prosecu= Lion and it was on the circumstance of combination only. that a prosecution of conspiracy. was foUnde& If the crime had been confined to an individu'il, no law could be found to ripely agai:•ist him. Such then being the situation . of the law, it was his design to , make penal any solicitatiotion the part of individuals of money, for appointment, with the setting up of offices for the•purpose of carrying on such (raffle, and the publication of any advertisements concerned in its furtherance. • He would thus ge farther than had hitherto been dune, to punish an offence which, every one must See stood in need of curretton. upon these grounds he founded the Bill which he had the honour to propose. Lord FOLKSTONE would not objet to the motion, but be could not help observing, that the time chosen by the Right fronourable Gentleman for proposing. this law was very improper. That abuses existed to a very great extent had been proved before the House,,and he was astonished when the Right Hon. Gentleman said* , that, when the matter we me mined, it would appear that abuses had not pre vailed to .any great extent. If 'he imagined that to be the case, why. did' he resort, to.a new legislative measure ? He (Lord F.) thought - that abuses did exist to a very great extent ; but be at the same tune' thought that this was an itnproper time for intro ducing the' Bill; for of present the. House must be legislating in the dark. It did not exaelly know how far the evil had gone, nor by. what means it had at tained such a magnitude.. This could only be ascer tained by examination of fkts. It had been the fa-, shion 031 late years to multiply I3WS beyond the necessity of the case. This was a great evil, and the Right Honourable Gentleman was falling into it on the present occasion. Another reason Why the Bill should not • hate been introduced at pre sent was, that. there was an order at present en 1110 list for en examination into these abuses, with at-.visas to whiCh • he-hati moved, that the Report -of the evidence lately taken at the Bar, should be fartherconsidered.• The Right Honourable Gen tleman ought to have waited for theresult of this examination, whet; his measure might be brought forward in the mast efficient shape. Hi 3 Lord.i ship then adverted to the prosecution of Kylock and Coleman, and .expressed his disapprobation of the means taken to entrap these persons:. It was an im proper mode of disposing of the public money, and in a moral point of view it was extremely obje6. tionable, as it was co-operating with theth in that very crime for which they .were to be punished:— The Right Honourable Gentleman. had said, that this prosecution. had commenced before the late inquiry. If that were' the case, he might have waited a little, to see whether the law, as it at present stood, might not' afford a sufficient check upon these abuses. His Lordship al-o observed, dis claiming,hewever;- any thing of ensirewto the Chan cellor of the Exchequer,' that there was something very suspicious in this prosecutioo, and in the Manner, in which it hadbeen announced . to the House, for if it bed been found necessary to call thesepersons to the Bar in the course of the late Inquiiry, they might hate refueed to,answer,'on the grouou of not being obliged to say any thing that might criminate them. selves, Ilut his main objection was, that the House was legislating itt . the 4.1m - Ic...that it •did not clearly see its way...4A that an tneniry ought etrviousl take plae.!. appeafed to him besides, that this Bill would not go to the case of such a person as Mrs. Clarke, who 'might receive a compliment for ber influence, which would not amount to .such a sale as w.uld bring the matter within the a&. IJis Lordship :hen thought it proper to state precisely the objekkhe had in view, in moving for the further consideration of the Minutes of Evidence, as several Gentlemen bad erroneously conceived that he meant to prefer some farther charges against the Duke of York. lie had no such intention. 'His obje6.ltvas, that as a vast , cene of abuse bad been discloied, the House ought not to shut its eyes, but that it ought to go on to probe the matter to the bottom—to search into the abuses of all departments—and then apply a radical and etreaual remedy for the evil, with respetit to which it was now legislating in the dark, Mr. PlincevAL stated, that he bad not said that abuses did not exist to a grew. extent. He had only said that they did not exist to so greatan extent as . had been imagined; and this he believed to be the . case. With respect to the time of batwing forward the , the House would recoiled * that he had. given notice of his intention long before the Noble Lord had proposed the - further consideration of the Report of the evidence. The House, he observed. _Was already in possession of the mode in which these abuses were carried on ; and the remedy would apply Whether the extent Was Alban or great. With regard to the prosecution to which the Noble Lori • bad alluded, he said that these pesos would 'bad an equal right to hive refused t an swer questions that Might criminate themselves before a s after the prosecution-;-aud besides, it was satisfacto r y to know, „now that they,bad. not.hoets wanted on t he late in quiry, and therefore no inconvenience had in t . ,a arisen. As to the co-operation in the offence of these men, he agreed that it would have been most improper to, have tempted them to commit a crime which they would not have committed had it not been for the temptation. But they bad been before going on with these offences ; and as to the applies non of the public money in this way, he saw no' thing improper in it. As to the remedy not applying fe a case like that of Mrs. Clarke, it was exactly the sort of case to which it would apply most particuktrly. Mr. PARXELL said n few words iu general con' currence with the Noble Lord whojkist sat down. The ATIORNCY-GESLRAL was of opinion, that the Bill was by no means retrospe&ive. The question was put, and leave given to bring in the Bill accordingly. , Upon the Motion of the Loan A/11'06.11 of ScarLANo, the Scotch Records_Aill . was read * se cond time, and ordered to be committed for to morrow. The Scotch Officers' Compensation Bill went through a Committee, and the report was urderedlo be received to-morrow. The Irish Flax Seed Bill was read a third time, and passed. IRISH SPIRITS RILL The Order of the Day for tire House going iatOD Committee on the Irish Spirits Bill, being read, Mr. BARHAM wished to know of the i.ight Hun. Gentleman (Mr. Foster), in what manner he pro posed to reduce the duty upon spiriti iu !salami The operation of the Right Hon. G en tleman's ine 4- .sure had, lie said, gone so far already, , as to produc° a redu&ion in West-India income . 0150 per cent ' Mr. Fos - rea said, that it he apprehended rightly, the Hon. Gentleman wished to know of him whe ther he proposed a Duty oti Spirits, differing as to the different degrees of strength. ..Such he avowed to be the intention. No regard had been paid t°, this mode of taxation hitherto in Ireland; but it was the obje& of the present Bill to attend to such a mode. The charge made On him as lathe reduCtiott in West India Income was highly unfounded. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHRQUHLI could not but imagine that the last Gazette wholly disproved, the assertion with respea to tho West-India income; sagas were stated in it to brirg 495. per cut. After souse observations from Mr. BARHAM, in . explanation, The House went into a Committee upon the The Report was brought up, and ordered to be re ceived to-morrp NV . .I\laita Sl.:p Register Bill went through Committee, and the Report Was ordered to by re• ceived to-morrow. - Upon the motion of Lord CASTLEREAGH, did Militia Completion Bill was potaponed till to morrow. Mr. \VIM a roN brought up Reports of the,Peusian Duty and Irish Expiring Law Bills. The Resolutions' were severally read, and the Bills ordered tOr a third' reading to-rriorrow. The Irish Provisions and Widows' Pension Bills' Were severally reported, and ordered to be rad., dthird time to-niori-ol.v Mr. WitAaTorr brought up the Local lViditfa Amendment Bdt.—Read a first time, and ordered tor a secood,reading to-morrow. The b Ner Lands Compensation Bill was read a third time, HO passed. The Imilteepars' Allowance Bill was read a se. Sopci 4iingt, mut ar4cretd to 4 4 „aupia l iited for toci . "" row. d o i t eu th rn e e l lt 0 f, T j u i d ra t t h l i e e r H O o r u d s e e r a s ' a l) ; N4i'enreeotiehleonckd.iaPQsed .Artitsvzo—: Lisbon, 2 Waterford . Duss Gottcn —r " Ot -s Ma r Aubliri , t Waterford. PRICIL STOCKS THZS DAY AT TINIILVL p•CI.fCK• COIISHis • . . ..67 I for Money• T E SUN. SOLIM QUIS UICSILI fAislll4 AUDIat ? LONDO AV, TUESDAY., NIARCII 1809. ANOTHER FLAG 01? TRUCE. Yesterday afternoon a Flag of Truce from Cahill arrived it Dover, vt ith a Ittisiiim Messenger. irn• mediately ttpon his landing he set out for London' and arrived at -the- Foreign Office this morning.—" Nothing has transpired . with respe& to the naturo of the slispatches of which he is the bearer. Capin MciatiQki, Qic the 'Success Frigate, whit