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. , d - not t e se ' \''ea'; as ti a11e.,-) his mirt4.l to be l're(lsis""L'i that th e , p r i . 5 .,". 3 ,, Gouot;Alor -should not li k e , sea Peosibi e for his attempt. .For his part it cou ld . , ate u rci Y be necessary to say that . he .wagnot aetll7 „. had 2 auy te,iiilg ii ,. . , stile . to the Noble Lord. ~i - r e. .re s --"nY reasOns for entertaining sentiments f 1,. - , - i t t , ll Ilird, _Pe_p to - him op pos to to those 'of hostility. k t, . Ei t ,de - zl'es Preferred-against tlite Noble Lord had aft: ~1 tl6iti's:jnal aiid privae.condud, 'however heavi 31,4114'd'ht., have presSed upon him, he (Lord T i ) rtiet,,,,h,ive bo'ked‘ hi, lienCi-itrsqence, and' only a -agii -agains t e zlstence,; , ,Buk the present charge - was - t o . s t3 ; t " e Noble Lord as.a MlO,jster. It washis ( 1111 Y llob u C e rt it• What he complained of was, , that the een t oa s t ; hal not given advice,-which might. have %ei,jt --isinzable„but had retiudsted tti•at it might be .. . oli ) s".et • To tiv- immortal credit . of the House or , tator n ; Qtis lio spo - kc.• it, that advice was rendered nu- • hto ol , l , a A q tlieir seoy_ t of puhbc duty it had been Ivish7furxarcl. Was it the Noble Lord's own Aare,d,'at'it should be brought forward? If so, relti c It ': he was, Jo, sav,- that Which he was very : l 'llat t‘ h i `,, t() : sRy. why .had the Noble .Lord-stated , toitt fire ''t(t sty' . , n hi s eo c k. n t e ? \Vhy had he ,t une l l'est t : i . e „,, il() at the 8ar,..0n one day that he had tAll e ti - ' Lc; his Majesty at one time, and orr an ; klia r ,, l ,Y that he had presented it at another titne b Il lt Cul elaitii had Leen made upon the flouse b y lie ,ttlear"ecl G2ntlernan opposite —a 'claim whic liur e, sled ' "b IC)" as:ihe Britishhistory should en , ra, d \,..v,),1111. be uc'rge,.l with success, 'tv hen i t was' tot .tth initice He hid urged the House not te to t his Qtte . ic - tt on:Lord - Chatham, .because th e b4,' ties g•o h ot- William Earl of Chatham, an the s „ .°4 . l er if William Pitt, in the.forfner of whorl • had l er " initi,:ne6 pradised by - the _Noble...Lot. of ~,,k ° 4llt l its greatest antagonist, and in the lat ter tord: ( , )111 the C onstitution, . violated by the N o ble ,6, of Ili ' °l - 1 141 its warmest, defender, In the . " am , +1 44 ap p e a l (3SiiiLit ' ilr i'' us characters he' made to the Ho , ns tl e rtiaii: il e tilitrary to - that of the Learned 'Gen - - •ott t ' e appealed to *them to- shew a venera •ut thei r -' :. tio n of their prin- otpi,s memory, b y, au asser . 1 \4,4 . o rl the douse explained . . '..1:1e by 00.111 ean . s called 1 01 ( 1 4 dottse not to preceed .against tht. Noble. dad o n l y u the sake of his father and his'_ brother ; h e iiafiY said, that ifh, wo d s o f William Earl _o ae,tl".l/1 ought. not .to be'quoted to aggravate t h e, • th05, '4 ,,,, ti° , 4 against his son, and lie had only conjur ed patio \,,".11° ventrated that iilustrious,cha . racter b , , N a i n r. l'itt , ' t 1.. e attached to, and had been obhgea 4;60 B Sit his feeble 'efforts in the ciefe,nee of the 4)1.4- Lord' aoainsr the, trearn of . party spirit, and I , ,''ette lii ''• ' - oh . i , -tn !tuft the grossest-intustice.• theli '"' Jent4JTONE. said ' , that he Lisame.d oz en. con duo ',ltse,Sati‘fie.l with a convidion that the 14 ' 4 1:: t:h ` 'l)l > e• Lord demanded the adoption f o f his tearntlrich'ls resolusions. But' the speeCh . es , o - i • hose .juoginent 4 tlci ta L ' irie 1 ; d . (Mr. Stephen), ot 'w, - i th e S l 4 ' Qnts he had the highest opinion, and .0, • E a rtkd G R ) e „ colletivn opposite, althotigh . verY clitiere ei nt . Als o "'ea other, .ed him . to doubt the accuracy Iv i , ' 4 41 tiwn)f,h,-Igtitent tp oi f th e ouo , tion. ...He certainly 'gal 1,u,,t —Lleetytithat the conduct Qt the N 43 "f'e ° a , ' the I,:e4rsitlort: b riconstitutional than the condu!.. , t e,l. r lelo.-le3lke of 'Portland and a Right Hon. b _ kivi 4, , 1 ' tl , c "'y out of uttice, .with respect to the secret l'ili:-,,,-gt4tl by then,,, and iitie.Oing a Noble L .,. r .. 14 as tis wa ...s their collisar-ue. His idea of the arm a t a) th at their j'-rilattlal had acted improperly, "(- _ ittibt, inet . . --- -- - 1, 3 - Councillor, but as a Ge'nerai of an t e * Q ( l: tl4 he wished that some resolution should Pro te Pled , to tli ie,c141%.-7--lie was not prevent the recurrence of such .a prepared - to agree. to t ail,itrong tesolutions -.Proposed, which , IA ell! o 11l f e 1. ,,. ( 1 , 6 Noble Lord• from serving his Majesty • 7k1 ,11 / -, 1 ~-' To , that length he would not go. He 4 --, 'the 1 - - known to 'otki e h , ionour of being., ‘,ll-I.LbtO.u,i'ziai.tie7sii(7 thy'NV e c r i e se i , t not indeed for the peculiar . N vnix7, l l ' B `it all known to Ei Ll e t: lth N ti o ld bi n e b L t ohradve; boasted;. t t l e i tl e tloaitliestltat everyone who had the honour to be ae t ,e_ti caodour kbli ,-' 'ln' bon, must be aware that of the various .... 44(. 1 illell in the country no one • was more emt (~- In the 41 tet .- , 141.11 I , log which he had adopted, fairnes4; . and sincerity.. Lord t hitt t i li ' v e heeti led into an error. the H iN e . titl wa l'e s sur , e , ot i);,. ilotteurib:e louver of the resoluuon- would t j a tn's -.I N -7 .. e i t'' Ins coo!er moments that Lord C. at l'ili.k, . " r4 tiive was presented to his Majesty . with . ' ( te lly , tl , l align ail, and insi,lidus views: .11e . c.ina not th n'-'ll out Narrative contained imputations on i ktu d - 4 ,,, V P unt he denied that. the Nnble Lord l i va, . oy t i - :" t).y tn(;tives such as those ascribed to ,t tiro 1 3 1„ . i:c. lion. Geofklnan. It appeared that the b i.. 0 : „ i - 41 .14 () , r ,° , l ii 4 d . httn sent to execute a service %id_ mbi i - ''t be pertbrinett. To obviate the effect • of his re e ,nsi-lte he had, too hastily perhaps, Nyhysirlt'ecition, and he.d- presented it to shut person prepaie ter,,.-:' t i t er n, he was most solicitous to pre a, With regard to the- secret influence which i PresentPra'se",d had existed during t4e. whole of 'J.', re '`n, he could t conceive 1i0..v, ii . eO . UlU g o , ll, 110 e his ii on for )(wawa' fifty Years wittout any one 1 ti kburi ll ic and venturing/ to- say' 4 there is the mah. d r. 1 , 1 , g the lo ng Ikt titi no Adixiinistraiions of. Lord North and such dise - Overy was made. He could_l. 114 believe i t I l t , fi . to exist. Tie Public' had lo g r of t u i e(l to Lord Bute that he was thb secret,adllse r v i calT at C t () : 4 : ll ; but it was now a ,well known hist°- , i i, • ' -aat so far from b-ing ' r° - 'n L - ' having been - gleti td ", urd Bute Cortiplained ofn lie the adviser of the _ to h. by it. The present detection; indeed,was_ tlot hit a complete proof that secret influence d had txi s ! x isted io the way in which it was-suppose d to vi ce ' ; to otherwise, was it credible that secret a k ui liotild be detetied ift twelity'days'after . its corn-. ec; r i i it iun- A tianger greater that aris:ng from d . ti le 6 tr.fluence appeared to iiiin to have thremene d .I\ir_pQnsiitution on. the coalition of Lard norili an 111 111 a ° „ x ,' n ,amely the union of all the aristocratical fa . liellstinestion,neither Vi uu e l tne country. He would not vote.for the pre.. would he vote for the lion. Ge n tesoliatiosis ; but he wished that the House ' . which record on their ,rournoli some resolution, wonfil, effectually' prevent any person in the .. ava , Ft o, or military eel - V i le bf his Majesty, from ap . •%ci,:..., , . . e, ' qlle t . 1 4 _ 1 % hiS Miljeily with a narraiiv - e of his . eon. : Ilie .. " ilu Y other way , than through the Medium of ~,;;.nuhtittited auttioi sties. ' • - - -.°1‘..,4-or• 13-,ttonG HAM enplailla. , z vi rd IluLtts•roNlS supiyorted the Resolutions. . . ti oil :;* A, 1 3 A Dir said, that it ever there was a gum oh., ;4 4 . 10 the ConstitUtion of the country, this was itllt . .:\11,..: sN‘la:itsi- e t c r i i d ,,, e v i a i s t st s r ta l un i agbdicy, i li ti t i ne h .dt i I s , t e i : b ' e s j. e i : ar te b i c. , ei e cii i e i. ui d l: r G:raeetiljuleitEad:. A. vst,is t ~~i~y vac, a T pre-' Ihted 0014 flings 13011 10 0 n i tl l ' veto !rtibie lot' pos" anY "iiltf) d erely:y 3s not d not y rear. •- , had a • an , it rotigh as the spon ie,vot The tiicult iected corzi a!set t tbtt • kettle: itates" Dna bif autho- Froul 6ed to disbe- .et in ss the ,f it dk against 'ds . p . on7' wever, vvierS,. Leir aLL - , .ded ire re e Cory : " :ted unr auf ; - =Rut it • )0 ‘Vo 9' abb-e; nifty IST no axi';* , to ilia r a t t ‘ 4l : s ' St ' :1 f - the 110 J A t i 133- That n an. en eio' re Lited; . ; 01' 5 si Pe r''", ale, all's CliCt►l? ) u. ill aletit 'au lJ ldit riCL . 0 1 io0 3 ", 0n . 3 13 u p t •bilo I'ls' O lit ; ; Ti triorto of tl fie It3c.x re c.l Alt' OS 3 F i e a • I.t ) oy. 04 v. 3 to the they service, D 0 .at/°'' were to viti) ar . ri 301311 01.' c c i t ed °' Tw ielv . fi e. wag a ck it utioo3 i lie stiff': on Pc°- : - E . 40 6 s e, Ctic I°- ifts tho P • (e" la co o op i n iot l4 lot reg tv prat' itS Ser110: . „ . ... . , . ter& .• .Whenever MieislersWere.to be remoVed, and :ion, or statuttsewhieh posh ibited the Use of the Means adopted the Noble Earle There was no expresalaw moreespeeially the.Administratioo of-aohich he .was in the Case: The practice of the Cons:lnitials was the a Member, the . Noble Lord conceived . . that - such law of'the Constitution.. This prineic was to be transcendent talents as that. f himael,fend his party, traced 'through the whole of our constitutional tits- . could never have,,beere questioned, - and must have fory'S • The •conduct ()I Lord Cliathain Was .3 breach been fostered with the most zealous-care to this dev,, of our pia:dice' Constitution e a nd, if stick breaches • . but-for the unfortunateend Immovable interference were not repaired in time, we should.not - long enjoy - - of s'ecres. itifluence ! Stich' was the foundation of his • the beaefits-that we derived frionsie--eonr Cc' Mafi a argeinente - When, however, 'it •wasSknown that a tution had provided that • the 'l47y-el ear should not Minister, oleo chosen Shy the Sovereigns notaelyated be poisoned, secretly. pbiseped, by • indirect tip- by pareiaiity, but called ,to that situati on -by th e proaches to ite , Some Hon. Gentkonen contended, junited Voice of the Empire, h a d -ehjoyed the undi crthey seemed to think; that beceiuse Load Chat- v' lii .eonfideoce of his , Majesty, . for . a period of hato'S .•advice had not- bee'reae,ted upon, the resolS e eighteen yeari,._ it. way a d ects iy e proof that where tions under discussion - we're too strong. He 0 . ..1, , merit existed, and where the p u bli c , goo d w as at. nOV thitsk se e It ini . ght have been_ acted oil—it was . ,stake, secret influence orpersonal favotir, evouldne e given ; and, although 0 0 - appeae.Ot eonsequeticess 'vet - . hated - ere, e le feviewiog alt that k i ,' a material in traced, it %yea hneossible to say that it had prodisCed :ales. k 1 hole honauetof food Chatham, there was no no end Nothing could excuse LordChatitatit'a not thing unconatittatiOnal, nor hothieg whiclecloild call first giving the same account to his colleagues. -- • His for The, .seeere censure conveyed in the respirations Majesty sou.d eot have a private bureau fora public - prOpOstal, 'Under theselcircumstanees e he could'eot paper. Taking hhis.•with reference, - and cauplitig it - --brim= Himself to - vole in favour of ihe •question, and ,with the Council of State; iii what circumstances did . .were aoy, : of the Oenilqmen- on . the. Opposite side of Lord Chathant'a condutt place the Council acid-tile the House labouringtander abodes cleirges, be•shoold Monarch ? Privy Councillors . Were to advise. their fet.-1 himself in - :candOer bound to exprass i a similar Sovereign, and yet they come to 'this task, ignorant o pi n e see. ~ .. , . , - _ a • , .. . of that of which . he: - lied been :informed, and, Mt. PONSON3Y Observed.the last Speaker had talk ' 1 'ed a great .deal of secret influence as felt -or • per-- what was worse, entosatets net to communicate it. After all this, after, seeing the •excellent de , ccived by those in or put of,place,'. hi which be ae sign and practical usageof Cleat Cbuncifs, we were quitted the Noble LordOf having a shares 1 his now asked, -where wee the statute - which designated .trt f e del not limes whit' thetSetnet induente might p, 1 i _ . - . .11 7 1;; priviteges, and legislated the department of thec , e ne e * how it -.was - exercised; he did not see that it Who compus;,d them. Fos - and - Pitt, said the 'Hon. f hadinuch to zle -with the, subject before s the House, and Learned Member, are: in. their graves s told the question beihg-whether the line of conduct sated with them seems - to have died thesisnowled.ge of to lia.e been pursued, by Lord Chatham waa consti practical Constitution. -It was - coeval 'with - uS, :this tutional or not. None of those who bad spoken in our Constitution sof 'State. Blackstonh 'tell! as one behalf of the Noble Lord had Attempted wholly. to of the wisest and noblist maxims on earth, that ste-- Vindicate, his oviduct. Eacli admitted be had been. Bing .t. ng caohlo no wrong'a end hence the value of she culpable to a , certain degree. , Now he 'Wished to responsibility of Ministers, without which . ,Ohr Con- .kuSelv 'what t hat, conducte wad i fie v regarded. as. ina ' stioation was nothingness. Yet the conduct of the -1 proper; The thancelior of the Exchequer had said Earl of Chat ham was destructive of the official system,' 1 it was ." not : right ;" a Leasned Getideman •oppti and .caleOlated to established an afield one. ' What I site had saidet was " reereheosibe ;" and another statute was wanted here? Were they boys, uneipual:= Honottrable Memeer had : salted it "erroneous." to s school-boys, (his own sons, the Hon. and Learned He (Mr. I?()osetltiy),whatied to be . inforrried 2 what Member said, were better taught)', were they such it Was%thatoraah" not - right ?" what it vasthat Le boys to need to be told, -eyes ag-tio, that Ole law . of was". reprehensible'?" whaa it. was that was " er theConstitutinn was to beaead only iti the praetsce aoecous?" What ,was that condiht • which - was of the Constitution i Lord Chatham'a rhernorial • thus, apokan of ?‘ He would supple the answer for was without precedent ; it was a most unconstitua., them ; it Was unconstitut•onal. ' Thstovas the 'fad. tional a6 - t; it was an act tending to ititrodoce a . They could . not find - anoteter word in the English double Goyernment, and destroy, th e t es t of official lanouage that would express . it, -b i n th e y co uld no t • .. 0 responsibility:' The House, need not go far back to .bear, to call it by that name—they would not apply - "ascertain the effeetalaksay to flow- trona eueh con- to it the term " uncoxistitutionals" . One - Gentleman . duct, however, they might soek, • but. in vain for ita had asked, where was the - law to be 1 - hund winch precedent. • Let the House but, Look to the aneseer-- was infringed ,by such-conduct ? 'He would reply, ht 'turned by - Ministers to the City - of London,- Co:- the conduct of the Earl set Cnatharnswaa censur a bl e • _netted eas if was with this . transaaion ; there it as beitia uSiconstitutional. •If it viehesed any hive • steed ref cited. beyond all doubt,. ' that Ministers - i t wotird be illegal. , There' Was .a • material differ • kusw not what was the true .answer to advise ersce between aCtions' toatevere onSonstitutional and" the King to ,give,, and this because their colleague, those which were illegal. Loo:i Ceatharn.wels . Cora though most interested in it, kept back informas mauder in Chief of the late expedition; a -Pe'r. of the titan 'from . therh. - Little did he now - mean to Realtn, and a Privy COUneihor :as Vie -latter he had bay Of, arat answer, but, since so • [teach mention a right to advise his Majesty, hut - aa the former he was made of the first Esta of Chaseam and ihe t .had no right - 'to go, to him as he had done, for the late Mr. Pitt,. Sucnehigh allusion's to them, it puipoae Of 'sithmitting to hiM as,Neirative• of ins was not the way of those' great lien, gavot they, ,prOceedings, and therefdre the resol , ition agent' boil. M bo. were, to 'Make lielit 01 the City of London. t to say his• conduit was unconstitational. It was 'Shell was net the fashion in those times ! As to the his epee oeching his Majesty 'disguised,• as it. were, Noble Earl in question, much as he respeeted in . that Constituted the sineonstitehrtnn Qfrdnoe. '.ilis hint iiic `P laiii " at t .".a , it '.'"'"cte thin L e uku4 t i requesting 'that it might be kept a secret, was still say, the moment he reached home, to have laid an additional cause of complaint - , as it was - an - un a down pie character of the Mieister 'at she door of tonstliotional abuse of the privilege of access to the the Secretary. of State. 'Contemplating all the cire King, -An Honourable Gentletnad had said that to . humstabees that' had a ran,pired, the way in which constitute: an unconsti utismal act e sonaething in eon- Lord Chatham had continued to interest the Kitig seqhene.e must be posstively proved - eo have been in his cause, .the withholding , of , that information done ; eand that it was no matter ho N petnicious which it was for himhive cOi nin tounicated to his , the-advice given to his Majesty 'eneeht• be e provided - culleagnes, the kind of secrecy to which he tried to it was nut aded upon.- A more . abominable doc envelope his case, and, the unaccountable emends- trine he had never beard.. What if the King • tious in. it, he felt himself in duty bound to support i should b esiuf h there was rin d that therwaa a - faaious :House the Resolutions before the-'House. ' . The SOLICITOR GENERAL confessed his unveil-, Croaae ell did, with an atoned force .to put an etid liugneSs to go at length into the question ; and tint to .iieei eieliberatioos.. If our - - graciottas Monarch' Tibis torsilliogness partlyarose from the Teri"' ' should refuse ('ls in snail, .cafe he Wonld) togive an' sinn-of his inaoility to do it. Much of extraneous ear to such counst; would the House of his con- , mitter . seemed intoilinced just now. • Wishing to duct be any reason ehy the: Muse of • CsSnatnens confine himself to the s=lain quest*, he. would ask, . Should not proceed agaihht the offending individuals: in the first place,whether it was fit for the House.to The Hon, cientletnati had said there were numerous condetud an abSeet individual, who could not be 1 booksson the Constitution of the Country, in each heard, _by an irretrievable 'vote of censure and efts- of which-it was variously defined. This definition grece ? .He could' not htiug his mind to such a. of it differed from all he (Mf.-P.) had ever previ a vote. . Error was all ; that could be honestly MI- - ously heard of, and he would advise that -. Hon. Gen puted to Loyd Chatham, but _it was Oinntentionel. tleman to read •a different edition to that he had last error, or error without any. evil purpose. . The, perused. The Getztlemen . opposite admittel - that House would act veil in eseertaitting the rio aninto, the coedit& of -Lord Chatham was reprehensible. toe actual estate of the mind of the Noble Earl; and r What tben would they have the House do .? • Would this mi,ght be shewn, ueequivrically demonstrated, 1 they have thein pass over, Without- further notice, Irons the papers On the table of. the House. Charged ' that which they protiounced to be reprehensible ? It as he was, with.the wish to have his memorial wrapt i .bad been said, that the name of the great _Chatham up in secrecy, and- his view of undermining• tilt .bail been improperly introduced on ia.e present oc-: or lief service, why bad he wished to effect this point, canon, that the virtues of the father might.. act to . did he delay his design from Oct. to Jan. when he-, had tthe prejudice of the son. They had been conjured by daily access to his. Sovereign,' and might, with such, . the respe& they bore to the memories , of the great facilities. as he possessed, have, humanly speaking, Chatham, and of Mr. Pitt, to-spare the feelings of easily accomplished his plan 'of calumny. The Noble . the individual - whose conduet was' the sulajeet -Of ' Lord was not of the character some seemed to sup-. discussioh. If Pitt were alive, he would, in .pose him. - It was inipoesible to conceive that the all piohtbility, be the first to censure the .conduet - .Noble Lord's motives were malignant, nor could any of Lord Chatha7n, .as when -living and in office, base' or invidioUs feelings' be, with any -degree of thinking the duties of the First Lord of the Admi , , justice or fairness, attriumed ten him. He would ask rally nut ably discharged-by Lord Chatham, he had . if it was the ,Noble Lord's intention clandestinely t° the firmness and the virtue to-advise his Majesty to cast an imputation upon the naval service, would he i remove hies from that situation. • He was therefore have been himself the persouto request that the Nar- 'lt,such invidious remarks were so . liberally bestowed should be made public ? If - the .of opinion that if' Mr. Fitt were now Jiving he rotive, on whie Would be the first to pursue the unconstitutional cooduet of Unit Chatham.- The Learned' Gentle ! Noble Lord was. to be 'condemned by the Public, roan who had last sat down had spo - Ito, Of, the con- Land if his conduct wa s • to b e eka t nin e d, before a pub- duS,I oldie Temple •family in the time of Charles .I-I. ‘ lie tribunal, of what use could the favour of Ms' So -1 Hewould advise him to peruse the history . of that . i vereign be, or . what .advaniage-ceuld he .derive from Monarch's reigh again, he'wOuld then -fled, that in -1 h Narrative, written avowedly in defence of bis Pro - stead of farming a put of that faCtion denominated, ceedings, if' that Narrative was lacked - it, the " The Cabal," Sir W. Temple was the stfongest and . eseruteireof his . Majesty ? • P The result, heretore, of the best opposer of their views; which; tiredly . he 1 the most _deliberate consideration must be, that the completely frustrated, - and that he gave tlx most e • Ndble Lona'S conduct had entirely ariseu in error, honest advice to the Kit - IC of - all . his Coulee:Mors. and was 'not actuated by any itividihus or 'malt- - He was desired to excuse theconthea of Lord Chat \ cants , .feelings. Such Was his, opinion, hi which he b arn , be;catise e though indefensible, it was not siOne trusted every ' fair and candid - wind would concur. with a malignant littera, as the Narrative was merely With reaped to the question of 'secrets irifitience,. intended te be produced, as his defence at - atiether 55111 11 , had ' been so noe ch adverted -to by the time. .1-leciaold wisli'talknosa whet his int - eh - es were H ISSglit onourable..Gentleman on the uppo , iite sii_a t . ,, r p' res,! t tini 2 ; it to the King. - Did he do that "With of the - isfottse; end e.'lien liiid been. si 1; 1 "PAY • e a view of ittjaring himseiteto'shSw that; the eStpte4ia scouted by Many as being a mere chimera without s ' tion as fit; as &pewit d 'upon him had been keel( foundation, a liii . bear, a- thing:Dot fit . e:cotence, ' coudseSted ?—or was it to *hew thtit it ba d . beZhi could not help ainiiritig : the iegenuite mien which' ill cowitieted ? If. it wits . impossibiS 'th :t . 'he . cou d a Noble Lord ( Fell - Tie) had coinirtinted up that . - 1 ;.v ...! in with:3 view of irueriog Sii i •es-elf, it es s e torte s 110 . 3tlWlled R 1111O1( Illpt that itillutened 011iy , 111)11.epessilhe t Lathe lei lit giv eit iii vith 3 Vi‘.;' , V(%l • • 1 • exlsied when it tperato.llo. .tile prejudice of Mialis-:.1 ins o ier a s ase ue i t oo ee p see ne n. Ulf _ hi s :at s j esee 4,-3 to the he had!in t. ft was not right to give its he rad done, .unow:vii to Ifle, Commander Of the 'mai part, of the Expedition: What did,Lord Chatham say nn that suhitial ? HZ had prepare'd it •on tive , tsth ;of .Ckqiber, ,but lie did riot _think it trtlit to give it btrtbre.the i 4-th of February;' he ~tid riot-11141k it prop 4.-..-r - to dAiver it at the time whet: it _was firA drawn up, it. was therefore, not delivered, of course, till the 34th of I!'?hrinry. It was his de.. .fence, 7- and as such to be produced on a or Inliuity: That was wl , at ho ha state.don the 22d of Februaty, ti!ter having &livered in,his Narrative on the, istfi of Janualy, requ , sting se- - crecy: If it .wai why should he wiiii sccrecy ; it was not ri 6 .ht, they oughl tohaxe.evidenec.s. 5f what he had done: -. There was thing iery extraordinary in his eondutl,:aq in 11:.s Oemory.. On the 15th. of Jiinuary . , , l.;if'd C atham preknted his Narrative; . on the•7AlCol February - he, reques!vd it back to expung. a paragraph ; and on the i 4th, ha% ing h:td it returned to•-hint on' the loth, 116 gave•it tbe'Secretay of Stare, h:wing expunged the paragraph :het thcalght - inconsi9ent with the,other part of the N3l:l",ttiVe. 7011. the .27th of February, when interrogated as to th substAneLt of the paragraph Ile Ilia expunged, he could' not fetuernber what i was; yet trod.] .111.! t z;t11,- of:, Jar.. . I rniaty to.the 7th , of F' , .,nrualy, /could. hear - it-in his mind surficienfly welt - w reine:nber• ask-for it . ao'ltin, that the vissaffe. might be omitted. This:be. • b thought a vroot of a •tety •extraordinary nientory.--4* His conduct was .unC(institutionaL and as such . inanded; nay, it chai,lengect. the censure cif the House. The ecnstituiion of the country had beca' very ablitaid down , by a Learned Gentibman near him.: he had never heard ►t defined with gre;:tet t*.)ility. "With mspea. to the court doe: trout one Minister to another, he -did 4iot ltoo.w where they Were to,be•tound. It w.ts the dqty of iNeliltis ters• to consult together before they wznrto the _King 'lt was rtght, on proper giound-s, ,for them to ask the dismissal of a Ale.ubev . or the edlo-tiet, but it was not for one to ask rke distoissal:of all the oth r$ without assigning a ,emu e, or Wishing:that cause,to be Rept a Secret, ivithout - his b•coming re sponsible w a proportionate degree. He ought to ,havc-seht his Narrative to the ,K.'ing by the • tap , of State. This was the fbrin laid down at the Revolution: Till that period, the Constitution was 'very differeot to what if now is. 'To the saluia,y' 6lizeige efFeeted at that period, he atitibuted the superiority of othi . national charahter; and . be • sin- • cerely. believed that the morals of the peop:e of this counrre; (or the i:st century, were-b itet than those of any :oti.ier-trathin in the world. This was owing to `the (..;oh i shaution itself, to th,..manter ail - which it was gained, and above-all, to . the way in which, ii had been exerci,ed. The people-of this couotry, like those:of:other nations,, w-ee not se • ChaplClC:ised by duplicity. as to std'o they smiled. But this noble .ilational,charar, if such breaches ill:the COnStittll ioo.*ere -permitted tn.,lle made with iiripuoil;•; would:shortla. sink -to a level wit that-of the a1y . ...0t slaves olthe Contineot He trusted that the House would have tbo high a for that spirit to sacrifice it li,htly, that.they would not throw it away by. giving a base and a degenerate:- 'vote, to seffir such: a violation -to pass with-irti punity. , • , ' . CANNINti lamented - that he'must'-vOte. as Jae should that night. Be: fully acquitted Lord Ch , t, barn of any mean Or. nr4lignant de,sign against a:o-;. titer Other; but highly as he respected him, • foe , his per-onal qualities andfor his.cciniieetion4, wirich` reflected : such dazzling lustre on hitn, he coild not-, consent to make a splendid anornaly to the Consti tution, by voting for the preyious que,tion, vote would -nt , t be very. acceptable io.thosewith." whom he shoeld, side. He-could assure Ilia Bon.- ~ Gentleman who brought forward the , subiect, that among all,the motives that. influenced-him in giving his vote as he should, the pleasure of -voting -him was not one at them, nor would Oat- Hot). Gentleiman receive . it with greater cOoluers than lie should-give it With reluctance. He should consider solely -the broad constitutional part at the question. He regretted that the que4tion had been brought be- • fore the Hons.:. ; in the first place, because it tended to strip' the Royal mime of due inviolability, and'it was not the interest. of that House that such discus sions should frequently place; and in the next place, because-- tile Comilla . of 'Lord Chatham-was • premsterely -discussed. The Hon. Gentleman the first resolution had detAed with cindour ,and_ preeNon the action for :which Lord Chatham was then called in question as it had taken place.. The second resolution chsrarised it as an uncousOta- • tional abuse of the privileges of access to the/King. He was astonished at the Course taken 1 .3 y those who, -spoke in.belialf of the Noble Lord. He should have . expeaed that they. would have endeavoured ,to vin dicate him instead at trying .to get rid of ihe'soh je6t- by the previous 'question. Their recent , pro dings ought -not to be followed by a deierainia to take no further notice of thecircuerktanee., hoe the interest of Lord Chatham he thought-they' , (asd.hey did not contend his concha& had been per-. fedtly correta) should feel solicitous-to award a-,4,r0-per -per degree. of blame, as should not the extetu of the censure be defined it would go tbitti,- and in ,all probability be magnified to an unheatai of; deree,----: He conA haVe wished that those Who-spoke in pai4- : liation of; his conduct, instead of checking the tp--- siness by moving theprevichas qnustion, . into their 9wn hands the task of arrtendiog! , (he -coed resolution; by 'apportioning words to the de greeolerror which marked his condua, and 1 - i:Oishe 4 l the debate at once.. To -the -fi:rstresolution he had some objettitns.. The unconstitutional part of thh question should have beetOnade tis clear'and.es find as possible, that posterity might not be abhto doubt the sense,. of the. 1-101.1 i -e: on the suhj.:/.-.l . ) as might be the case from its being Ixlixed with 'Vie, -detail. Though he took -the liberty'- of , pakilrg those remarks, he should certainly vote • for -tha::re : , solution, as he-could-nut give the previous ques.LiQo his • support.- For the , second resolution he.was itot . prepared to go the • lengths that went . :- He co ;h1 -not consent to •-includini, -bs :StiTgenerid- an./ comprehensive a . vote -of censtsre: Heohoaght too severe, and Would 'not apply:. so indai'n-iteoi term lie thought Lo'rd Chatharh'lhOot a'if-ked well, but he could not •consenttbat2he Shoni,l be t‘i- 7 -. s; ted with such ox'cesSiv&-severity. , kv -all. his triends owned, he ' , :eas smri,.: p that swq , ,-thing 11:(1 1 , * )een.cione to .oichko oiticely, the w.hich atoleot . his coi4dai.A. it.w.osnot.tkr him -to V) ( y A