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~i~: r ~YYY! r 11! L of 'April,- 1 1 05, he he signed those fatal Treaties 1 w;'.`. tit produced the destrhaion of Europe, although be had the same day expressed his - opinion, that no thing could' be:done without the assembly of a rkmch - larger force against France than that for which thoJe Treaties provided. If the Right Ilan. Gentle.: 'man, after being driven from one reason, to another; maintained the connivance -of Denmark as the glckuila of justification forthe Expedition against Copenhagen, it was his tinty to tell the Country so .—to tell the Crown Princeto tell the Counsellors' of Denmark so, and not by reading garbled extraas, infer, as he had interred, that the Danish Ministry was attached to the French' cause.; If, however, this was a fzdse impression, and lie contended that-it K 4,3 so—in Justice to the individuals—in justice to the country—in.. justice' to the Danes-=let -it be done away. The tluestion might be brought to' issue' by laVing on the tabler the. diSpatches from which the •Rthr Hun. Gentleman . read the extrais, He was anthoilicd 'to say, that there -was nothing in those Papers Which ought not to be divulged. He con • eluded by moving, « that there be laid before the flot4 a Copy of the Di patch from' Lora Viscount' Howiek to Mr. • Garliclie; dated L'6ndon, Decem-; . iao6, from which tixtraCis Were read by Mr. Se'cretarV Canning in his place' on Mednesky last, and the Answer thereto. - 'Also a Copy of the Note ..frntnMr. ',list, the Danish Envoy, to. Lord Viscount POWick; Bcc." Mr. CA N WAG, before he spoke to . the MOtion; :4701:1d make a few retnarki on the extraordinary ob _ servationtof the Mght HUD. Gentleman resp4iing private communication. HO . situatiou' with respett to privatecommunications was precisely the 'same RS' that of' the Hen: Gentleman,' •of any other Member of the House.' He had alWays shewn him self as ready to make or receive them as any man ; but when it was recolle6led that; oh a notice being given of a .Notion by an Hon. Gentleman, he had Mode in ample communication to the Noble Lord opposite, of the part, or rather of the no-part, which : he and. his Colleagues Meant to take on the subjc&, Whceh private communication was answered' by a public rebuff, as if he were courting something whiCh the Gentlemen opposite were disposed , to deny, his reluCtance to repeat such cOmmunicattons would not appear surprising. With respect toqhe Motion of the Right Hon. -Gentleman; he would ,cheerfully vote for one of the Papers, and assign the manors which prevented him front consenting to the produCtion Of the other. It' was undoubtedly true, that when in his Address to the House on Wed , nesday last, he referred to the state, disposition, and means of Denmark, in the. latter ,end of 1806, he felt,himsell bound to sustain his own representation of ',bias and inferences from those faCts by advert ing to,the offici tl imfbrmatiou which'his Majesty's Ministers fOund on their coming into power. The iltsContinuity of the Administration did not take fetich Lim that privilege. Did the Hon. Gentleman ':recnilea with What view he cited the dispateb of the of December 'from Lord Howick to Mr. Gar : licke It hail been maintained by the Hon. Gen. tieruan „who had breught forward the motion of Nlr ‘• r.ineriday, that from the occupation of Hol s tei n b y • Freech troops, noinference could be draWn of the probability that the 'pettish Fleet , would fall into tr, o hands of Francii: fle (Mr. Canning) contended • , the contrary. First because he could see no impe dntwnt to the transfer, of the French troops from Holstein to Ze - aland; awl secondly, 'because he could Trot, conceive- a' more absurd proposition, 'than ' - that the Danish troops could be transferred for the deft nee of Zeohed, in the Presence of a Vie . various Frach army. lie asserted, therefore,' the probability that, these' circumstances might have led to a compromise, by which the Fleet of Den mark would June been .surrendered to tranee , and in support ,of this assertion, he had' very naturallyread part of a dispatch from Lord tick . to Mr. Garlicke, which the . latter' was 'in . struacti ma nifested on if any "dispoSition should be On the past 'of the Danes to enter into• such. a compromise ; distinctly to state chat it Wrould be re aerited by his Majesty. This be read - in confirma ten of his-own opinion. Did he nietto by it to cast any impotation, or &initiation, on the Ne,ble Lord ? The very reverse. There was another topic on Which he hod cited generally the Nobletord, which was on ,the offer by . ' Sweden' to defend H o l ste i n with vb,opfi trecips. The HCM. ' Geotlerilah • had said that the Noble Hor d . felt 'hurt at'being: : thu s quoted. He 'was at n losS to conceive hew;' having once enterttlined these opinions, 'heCould now be ashamed of them ; or still maintaining thetn,That he 'should 11)14 i,t inconvenient to himself to have them adduced in support of, his Majesty'i Government. lie• had no objection Whatever to the produelion of the Notes to and from Mr.RiSt. They contained an able discussion _of the comparative merits of the French Decree oldie 2 I st of December; and of the English Order in Council of the 7th of January.— They would communicate much valuable infor . mation, and would particularly sliew, that the feel ings of Nt.utral Powers had been so -strongly excited by that Order of the 7th of 'January, as to leave but • ... little roues for greater irritation, in consequence of the Orders i,sued by his Majesty'apresent GOvern ment. They would, shew also, that his Majesty's present Government had in this respe& followed the that had been chalked out With so much akility by their predecessors. For the production of these Papers, therefore, he would cheerfully vote, but not for the dispatch of the Noble Lord, for the produe ' timi of which no sufficient growl(' had been laid--- not a word had been said to, impeach the faCts, that apprehension had been, entertained of a compromise, by which the DaniStiVleet would lfave beetr.sarren ` ' tiered for the safety of the Danish German' dontini ons or the tact, that' in that case his Majesty had determined to take 'such 'measures as would evince his resentment. The Hon.' Gentleman, had stated other ylowtiont made by him, which he had 'not • foliowednp however by motions. He,,repebted, that • • ' they referred to a'ptarlicular period of time, and tend ed to elucidate the. 'state of things - in Denmark at that period; to the w that after the battle of Jeba, no real preparations had been made -for' the defence of • Volsteut ; that as the French advanced the Danes retreated, and this in cansequence of repre.entations film) . France c these' were fkis iind . oubt,ll. In aid of his staiorients of them he 'had (futottad poit pages from Mr. Garlieke's dispatches; none of which he had overcharged or misrepreSented. On these . subjeaii a certain degree of confidence - must always be reposed in Government, .otner\S i!e a. Cot~3ider able degree of inconvenience must ensue. The lion. Gentleman's remarks on the three dispateLs, written "bn the same day (Sept. o) by Lord G. L. Gower; sufficiently'Sbew how alive lie was to sus picion, and how groundless those suspicions-rwere. The fa& was, 'that Lord Gower almost exclusive ly-had corresponded with the British Government by messengers and not by post therefore hap pened that though the drafts of dispatches were pre• pared as the subjeds arose, yet the transcripts of those draftS were not made until a few hours before - the departure of 64 messenger, and con sequently were all dated on the same.day. • Dis patches were distinguished by a series of numbers, add not by a series of dates on this-very account. Did the Hon. Gentleman mean to impute to him a wilful perversion of the Noble Lord's sentiments ? Such a perversion could scarcely have been risked by any one, for he took it for granted that the Noble Lord had - obtained from the Secretary of States Of fice copies 'of his own alispatehes; if not, he had an undoubted right to them. • There was nothing What ever that•he could perceive in his proceedings analo ,gous to those in the last war alluded to by the Ho nourable Gentleman. The extracts he had read Were not from Papers moved for on that night. The Hon. Mover on Wednesday had framed his motioti in such a manner as.to imply assertions on the part of Goverument which they could not consent to make. Had he agreed to modify those assertions, and in par ticular With resped to Portugal; his. Majesty's Midi sters would not have objected to the produetion of several of his Papers. As it was, however, the House of Commons had expressed their decided opinion that, without any far titer intbrmation, they were satin Red of the propriety of the steps taken by his Majesty's Government. If the Hon: Gentleman were not convinced that such was the-decision of the House so expressed, let him bring the subjeet again to the, vote, but let him in candour do so openly and dia. tingly, and not insidiously dwell on topics calcu:- lated to hide from the House that they were in fad again voting on the subje& upon which they,had already so fully expressed their. approbation. Lord TEMPLE felt the deepest regret that the Right Honourable Gentleman should'have pursued the line of detente which he had adopted. He found himself grievously mistaken in the estimate which he had formed of his candour. • -Mr. Fiettnnwr thought that the onus.proliartdi•of the necessity of -the Danish Epeclition Jay on our side. ' • The SECRETARY at WAR opposed the motion of the Hon. Gentleman. Mr. TIERNEY argued at considerable length in support of the motion. .Withotit any disrespe6t to' the Right. Hon. Gentleman., he did not conceive him entitled ,to claim the confidence of the House to the extent to which he seemed to think be was. As to his challenge`to re-discuss the subject, let the Right ,Hon.. Gentleman produce the* Papers necessary for such a discuSsion, and he would, pledge himself to move a vote of censure on Ministers'. • Mr. LOCKHART was against the procluaion of any farther - Papers; Mr, HORNER. for their production. Mr. IFINDIM complailied that Ministers had swindled the House . out of an appearance of appto. bation of the Danish , Expedition, in the Address to his Majesty, although it was then undeestood, that that was a mere matter of forth, not conveying any actuat-opinion. The grand ground for the 'pro.dne tion of the Paper.moved fur by his lion. Ft':etiti,was that the House having irregularly, in Ins opinion; al lowed a flagrant injuit tee to be. done to an individual, were bound to repair it as fat aS lay in their poWei: Sir JOHN.ORDE was' desirous that Ministers should not be fettered. The Gentlemen opposite seethed to wiih that we should gie the sword to our enetcr, and content ourselves with the scabbard. Mr. 'LITTLETON' did not think that the resistance to the. present motion rested au the'saine l i kro , inds a s the resistance to the .motions of Wednesday last. Although he Voted for Mani►cters on that day, cum mon justice would compel bihr,to vole for the Hon, Gentleman on the present occasion. ;Mr. BHIII/Dil ill , was glad,to hear the challen ge thrown out by the other side,As to a vote of.cen sure, he should be happy to vote two censures ; the one on the•distespe.3ful manner in which .11.1 ink:lrina_ . flan' relative. to the .Danish Expedition . had been.- withheld from the House; the other on the Ex pedition itself. He contended Strenuously for - the produ&ion of the Pokers moved fora by his Ho nourable Friend. Before the meeting of Par liament. he, had • inado up his mind to support his Majesty's Ministers, on the subject of the Expe dition to Copenhagen; fully expeaing that they w ou ld / be able to prove either that a collusion existed be- . tween Denmark and France, or that Denmark could • not have resisted the compulsion of France, Neither of these points has been established, and with re gard to the first, particularly, he pledged himself; when the enbjeat was resumed, to make it incon .trovertibly manifest, that there had never peen any collusion whatever. Mr. SHARII: supported the Motion. Mr. WHITBREAD made a very aximated 'reply to the arguments urged by Mr. canning r after which the Gallery was cleared for a For t h 4 iauttstion 73—Against it tv7-- . ;.Vlajority64. Mr. SiiaarF. gave notice of moving certain 13eso iutions.respe4ing the Danish ~E xpedition, and the condua of Ministers tidaritoito it. . He was ailed by Mr. Secretary CANNING to name the day when he would bring them forwhrd, but he declined. The House in a Comniittee of Supply voted the Ordnance ~ud Extraordinaries 'of the Navy for the current year. A neriy Writ ‘,OSS ordered for the County of West meath, in the room of Mr. William Smitit, who ac cepted the office of &cheater of Munster., The Bills on the table were forwarded in their specctive stagcs, and the tlouse, at Half past Ten o'Cloek; ai:jotlrned. THE LONDON 0 dZEITE ENT!: DIXARY. .TULISpAY, 1.1:r., 9, IHOB, • (i'eb. 8,1808. Captain . Berkeley, tirbt 4i4-de- Camp to General . Bowyer, arrived yest er d a y- morn i ng ; it the ()Rite o f Viscotint (:!t.-.oercagli, one of his, ..iNLljory's Sectiitarit.s of State, with a Dispatch front. the Gei,c ral, of which' the - following is a Copy • XI , I,ORD, D ec,Santa Cruz; v 27, 1807. Being in a state of preparation and readiness to, move a sufficient Force against the Danish I s i aD ds in these seas, in consequence of your Lordship's Dispatch of the 6 tit aE Svpttn,ber, .no time was • I lost (after the arrival of his Maiesty's . final any tv.,. ,v!a3esty's twat. com rnands; signified to n by Lord Hawkesbury's Let-. ter of November the ad, in your Lordship's absence, by the Fawn Sloop of War, which arrived early on Tuesday morning the 15th instant at - Barbadoes) in embarking the Troop at Barbadoes on board the Men of War appointed to receive t,hem. by Rear-' Admiral Sir Alexander Cochrane, who imme diately dispatched others to the Island to leeward to take on board such as were under orders in . each of them,. with direetions to proceed to 'the general rendezvous, the whole of which; except one hundred rank dnd file of the goth Regiment from St. Vincent's, joined the Admiral betore or soon after our at rival of the Island of St. Thomas on the 21st instant. It was then 'thought proper to send a Summons to governor. Von Scholten, iu charge of Brigadier-General Shipley and_ Captain . Fable commanding his Majesty's Ship Ethalion, to surrender the Islands of St. Thomas, St. John, and their Dependencies, to his Britannic•Majeaty, which he did , the next day on _terms agreed upon be, tween him and. Major-General Maitland and Cap lain Picktnore; of his • Majesty's Ship which were afterwards apptoved of and ratified by, Rear-Admiral the-Honourable Sir Alexander Cecl Trave awl myself, a Copy of which, I ,have , .the ho-• nour to enclose,- and hope they.willJneet With, his Majesty's approbation. On the 20d, -in the evening, after leaving a gar rison of three hundred men, of the 70th 'Regiment, with an Officer and detachment of the Royal Ar tillery, at St. Thomas's, under the Command. of Brigadier-General ,Maclean, Whom I have also di re6ted to assume the Civil Governmentef the same, until his Majesty's pleasure is signified thereon, we proceeded to Santa Cruz, the Admiral having pre, viously sent his Majesty's Ship Ethalion, with gadier-General Shipley and Capt. 'Faiiie,.to'SuM Anon that Island; who returned the nekt.merning, . the 24th, with a Letter from the uovernor,.offering to surrender it to his Majesty, provided . we, woeld .allow three Danish Officers to view on 'beard the Ships, the number of Troops brought against it ; which we permitted, that -his, Exeellency Military honour might thereby not be reflected on. ..TheSe Officers having made their report to theif t Gevernor, returned early the next morning, the 25th, to the Flag Ship,-with a Message,. that the Governor was , willing to treat for the Surrender cif. the Jsland, when Major-General Maitland and .Captain Pick-' • more were again sent on shore to settle the Terms of Capitulation, a Copy of which I also tiansmit which being apprOved of by t he Admiral and myself, • Troops were landed, and the. Forts and Batteries taken possession of in the name of his Majesty the King of the United Kingdoms of Great Britain and Ireland, a Royal ,Salute being fired on the British .Colours being hoisted. • .1 should be ungrateful in the extreme did I not state to your Lordship the great and Many obligation* I conceive myself, the Officer ,s 'and Soldiers to be ► under to Rear-Admiral /the Hon. Sir Alexander Cochrane, the Captains and Officers of the Royal Navy, wile have universally afforded us:every com fortable accommodation in their 'power., and I am sure much to their own indonvenieni:e. , I am convinced that had it been necessary to bare called for the exertions of he Sea and Land Forces ..entployed upon this Expedition, that they would hova added another Laurel to the many already ac quired by Brisk') valour and discipline. Copies of the, two :Letters of Summons, with the Answers of the respective Gove`rnOrs, are herewith transmitted, together 3vito a Iteturn of Ordnance and Ordnance Stores taken posseSsion of, both at St. Thomas's and Santa CrOz. This Dispatch will be presented to your Lordship • by Captain Berkeley; Of the 16th Infantry, an Intel ligent 'Officer, who. will imswer airy question you. may be pleased to ask hire, and I beg leave to re comtrendhim to your Lordship's notice. Captain B~rkcley • is my first Aid-do•camp. , havp the . torionr to be, &C. • ... I:IE.*NRY BOWYER, General and' Conitriauder of the Forces. Admiralty-Office, Feb. g, 1808. ,'copy of a Letter from • Rear-Admiral the Hon. Sir Alex. •Coehrane, K.B. Comriwider in Chief of his Majesty's Ships and Vessels at theleeward Islands, to the Hon. W. W. Pole, dart on board his Majesty's Ship l3elleisle, St. • Croix, Dec. t 7, 1807. SIR, Be pleased to 'inform the Lords CommissiOiCers of the AdMiralty, that in obedience to their LordsliPs' orders, received - by his Majesty's Sloop Fawn, no time was lost in embarking the Troops previously destined for the Expedition against the Danish Islands . of 'St. Thomas and Sty Croix. As the artillery, ordnanm and commissary stores had been for some ame on board &Wessels hired for the purpose, we. were enabled to leave Carlisle Bay on the I 6th inst. General Bowyer doing me the honour of accompany ing me in the Belleisle. On the loth we reacjied'Sandy‘Point, St. Chris topher's; and received some:Troops from that Gar rison ; and on the 21st anchored off St. Thomas, where wo Nvere joined by 'reinforcements from An tigua and Grenada, and the Troops held in readiness to land : at a moment's notice,. Ilrigadier-General Shipley, and Captain Fahie, had been, previously sent tOrward in the Ethalion, charged with a summons to - the Governor, to sur render' the Island, a Copy of Which, and his , An swer, arelnclosert Soon after they returned, ac coMpanied by three Danish. Offieets, Major-General Maitland, and' Captain Pickmorc, of the Ramillies, were sent on' shore with Powers to negotiate with the Governor .fOr capitulating, which was agreed to on thOnclosed Terms, and signed in the evening. Naving on -the' morning of the 22d taken posses , sion - orthe island, and its Dependencies, the first Division'of the Troops intended tor the attack of Bt. Croix,' was embarked in the Fri'ates and Sloops of War; 'arid the same Ofaers again sent forward, charged With' similar sunituons to die - Governor.— On the morning of the il,4th t hey rejoined with an answer, and about noon the Squadron anchored off the To - On of Frederiekstadt, *hen three Danish Officers (as at St. Thomas's) came on board,, anchit was arranged , that the Governor should, - on the - fol lowing morning, 25i1), meet Major-Getter* and' Captain Pickmore i to settle the terms of c;tpitulation, , which was accordingly done, and the Fort taken possession'of by the troops in: the ev . ert ing ;. and last night, the Garrison and Town of ,Christianstadt, on the other sideof thelsland, were also given up. Copei of the several Paiie7s before-mentloneti ;!' herewith inclosed, together" with returns of on both Islands *,- and a list of Ships and Nresai. found - in the Harbours. . • • It atAnds me much satisfaetion that this Experli- Aim-has terminated\ without lois to either 'party:. defence the part of the enemy would only have . =been attended with unnecessary effusion of blood, as their force could not have withstood that brought against them. I 'have the pleasure to state the utmost cordiality existed between the two services employed on this Expedition ; and I feel truly sensible of the readi nets with which General Bowyer met my wishes in, whateVer related to the public service. Captain Parkinson,, of His Majesty's Sloop Fa. votirite, is charged with this dispatch, who will be able to give their Lordships such farther information as they may desire. I have the honour to be, Brc.• •• • ALEX.--COCHRANE. * N.B. The same as those transmitted by Gen. Bower. [Thejemainder of the Gazette, which cor»fists of the Sum nionscssent by the British Commanders to the Danish Go• verneri, .the Articles of Capitulation agreed upon, and the Stores and Shipping found in thp different Islinuls, We are the•necEs/ity, from the great length of the Debates in, ikth HouSes of• Parliament, of postponing till To-morroivd MAILS. , knit ivEn—l Dublin, t Waterford. Dun-6 Gottcnburgb• Waterford. PRICE OF S . TOCKS ruts DAY AT T WEIN it O'CLOCK. POOSOIti - . 6 3.} j F jted. Ann. - . 64 i Ti II E LT SOLEM QUIS DICERS FALSUM AL'➢?AT LN D 0 TUESDAY, VELIIRUARY 9, Isott. Slum on Frigate, with; her Coz4isy, have ar rived at Portsmouth, from Madeira. 81)‘ left that Wand on the , 13th ult. ,Sir S. Hoop Was (hare' 'Every thing yvas' perfectly tranquil; and 'the Troops were iii goa4 health Lasr night a very Ling De‘bate t:7)ok place in the House of Lords, upon a Motion made by the Duke . of NORFOLK, for further Papers respeai ng the attack upon Copenhagen. The Noble•Duk - e, Was s answori:i by Marquis WELLEsr..Ey, in a Speech . rcPlete, with largument and eloquence, to which we must , beg : tt) ,call the particular attention of ourßeadeis'; because, in our opinion, it removes all possibility of . 404 4 respeding the 'expediency and justice of that mea— sure. Lord HUTCHINSON expressed a contrary opi nion,,and seemed to think that DenM4 bad entpr ed into n 9 secret engagements with France, and that she would have endeavoUred to preserve her neutra lityagainst theattacks Of that Power: This, however, is merely the opinion of his Lordship, who, of course, is not in possession of the information that induced Ministers to adopt the measure in questi cill. But if it were admitted that Denmark had the ill' clination to resist the aggressions Of France, she had not the power ; and it was the dutiof Fps M ae jesty's MMisters to protect this Country from the con' sequences that might result from the,want of poWer . in Denmark to reSist,. as well as from . those wh ich might proCeed fronalier disposition to assist Franco. The Motion of the Duke of N o nFoix was. rejected by a very large Majority; ' ' -‘• In the HouSe of bet - mums there was alSo a Pi 6 '' CUSSion of considerable length, upon Mr. WOO' DREAD'S-Motion for the produCtion , of Papers, 10 . 1 1411 Was also negatived upon a Division. I • • • IT is stated in a Mornin g Paper, that a difreren.,c 0' .1 subsists between thi4 Government and that ofrOr l ui gal, upon the subject of the capture of the blood Madeira. Madeira. We have evary reason to believe t hat there is an foundation whatever for this ,stateme nt ' 1. and that on the contrary, the best. understanding subsists between the two Govdrntnents. A dreadful fire broke out last night in the Pr iv. ; ing-office of Mr. Nichols; in Red Lion Passa,"" Fleet-street. The house and .otlices were entire consumed, and many other houses damaged , w t hc e . •it was supposed it had been got under; . but this 1 ° 1. 4 noon it broke out again, and was raging:with great violence when ;our Paper was put to I'res 4 - Bread remains - at the same primes last week. The public -notice which has been taken of t h , e Grant tirade by his MAJESTY to die Duke of Yw •7 l : has been - accompanied with a very Cake snd ir 1 : 10 ous representation of the income and tipiwin u , l ' e co s of his Royal Highness. The income ' settled on'the Duke of Yoax.- at the time 9 'l, c a marriage (now-t 7 years ago), and which wa s Ebit thought no more than adequate to the suppert.: ° tbo rank and dignity, is no w cons id era bly' reduced „ Tax on Property ; whil e on t h e other' baud , the net 'pence of living is very g re a tly increased. ; 13i , s h " e0 income, as Commander i n Chi e f, is not quite "" 1. .0$ thousand pounds a year, and his other allovan`Z are only propt;rtioned to his rank as a General 0 1,, cer. His emoluments,. as.. Colonel of the first 1 1 0 4 . meat of Guards, may be averaged at three thet' t 7 rb o pounds a year, and .those as. Colonel. in C hiel° , t ra• -both regiment . are somewhat-less--than three 1 - - n o dred, as the enrolments remain viith the C ° o l Commandant oLeach battalion. The RangershiP,4o the New Forest, and Windsor - Forest, are 0 1` iit ., honorary appointments, without enroltunent. ttiC ,3 Royal Highness is mot, as has been represe olsui t Nt Ranger of Hyde Park and St. James's Pork` r to office is held by Lord SIDNEY. We 1100 state, that the assertion contained in one t) ` ) ,0:. Sunday Papers ,. and copied into the :Morning r„,ll,ir of yesterday, that the Grant recently made t," MAJESTY to his Royal Highness is not the firs t which he has received from the same fad , it; - - ely without foundation. —- Niv i:::::: r : ect P 4 rinted by R. HAa/tis Bow street), and published by W. A. SckstrS•l°!. • at tke Sun•UHice, its, Strand. v., =.=•Jte