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aid =Miser. His object therefore, was to auspend the opera ' t tlf the clause in the statute referred to, in order that per lnightebe ticketed who had not passed their four terms, who wend* qualified. This measure Was not intended cIY, a iiitrust of the system pursued at the College. He • , 'rpm) Nelieved the system had fully answered its pur pose. If the question related to the netoe constitution of the College, he should decidedly prefer its being assimilated to our aisting Universities, as he conceived it was much less advan tageous to persons to be educated in classes, than to be mixed together. At the same time he considered that it was highly creditable to the establishment that in the short space of two years the students Requital so much. The other point embraced by the bill he was now about to move for, re spected the payment of allowances on 'account of officers dying when absent froM India. The act of the 53d of George 111. provided that certain allowances should be paid to officers, while absent from India, on account of ill health, for a period not exceeding three years; but beyond that, time no allowance 4as granted. This was a very considerable hardship on those (acme; whose state of health tendered it impossible for them "to return to India within the prescribed period. They ought, - •widh was not now the case, to be allowed to draw some allow. Imre, if it weee neeeseary. for their support, beyond that speci. _lied period: otherwise, the chance was, thatthey would get into AA:ethics, and the time given them for the recovery of their health would be absolutely lost. By going back to India within three years, any of those individuals would be entitled to claim 'a certain allowance, tinder the act of Parliament. Many Gill. `tiers had done so in consequence of the state of the law before their health was completely estaldished, and the consequence was, that they had fallen victims to disease: The object of ,the bill, in this respect, would be to give to officers, going to the. Cape of Coed Hope or to Ceylon, on account of ill ,h ea l t h, the %ante allowances as if they were in India, and also to provide for the payment of' ollowances on account of officers slymg while absent from Intik on account of ill health. The Bight Hon. Gentleman concluded by moving, " that leave he . e oiv en to bring in a Bill to susp e nd t h e Act of the ,aid of Get). AU. so far as respects the appointment of writers in the service of the East India Company, anti to remove deulusits to the pay. anent of the allowances of officers dying while absent from ,India." Mr. HUM F: observed, that what had been stated in the course of the Right lion. Gentleman's speech, casts in his opinion, a strong, and by no means an unjust reflection on the East India Company's institution at Haileybury. • He thought that the whole of the system on which that institution was *found, t ea was exceedingly injurious. The young . men were shutout from all society, and they had no opportunity of acquiring the least knowledge of the world. Such a system was amt. .lated to destroy the native character of Englishmen. The speech which Lord Grenville delivered, in another place, against the formation of this College, did him the greatest ho- ' ,hour. The arguments adduced by that Noble Lord were, in his (Mr. Home's) mind, conclusive against the system; and experience had amply 'proved that the Noble Lord's view of the subject was correct. He clearly showed what would be the re. Salt of such a system. Year after year disturbances had taken place in that College, and the young men acquired any thing but that high tone of , honour, principle, and public spirit, .which they ought to imbibe to fit them for the high situations which they were destined to fill. He, for one, had often de Plored the situation m which India was placed, in consequence of the formation of, such an establishment. Young men were sent out to act In the most important capacities without an g 6. neral knowledge of the world. individuals were kept up in that secluded mointetry, as he might call it, when they could acquire no knowledge of active life.—(llear!)-- .:Perhaps he might be wrong in using the phrase secluded monastery, when he recol lected the disturbances which the young mete created in the neighbourhood ; but he was perfectly convinced that he was Correct as to his general view of the mischief produced by that establishment. The system was most preposterous. Y(sung men who never had mixed in English society—young men of 22 or 23 years of age—were raised to the rank of Judges in the Zillah Courts; many of which had jurisdiction over a space larger than Yorkehire. No later titan yesterday, a gen. Henan informed him that his son, a young man not more than 24 years of age, bad obtained one of these situations. For five Successive years, attempts had been made in the Court of Pro. prietors of East India Stock to alter the system which pre- vailed as to the education of writers; but every attempt had failed. He was glad, therefhre, that Government had at het taken up 04e subject. Ile hoped, however, that the night lion. Gentleman would select some proper mode of examine tuns for persons going out to Witt e -that he would adopt some test to which all indiv iduals proceeding to that country phould he subjected. Ile wished those persons educated in the Col. lege, as well as those educated out of it, should be subjected to the same test. Ile was surprised that sonic measure of this :nature had not been before resorted to, after the number of re. presentations which 'had been made on the subject. But the -east was, that the Court of Directors had no will of their own. They were nothing ; they were obliged to obey the Right lion. Gentleman (Mr. Wynn), or any other Right Hon. Gentleman Who might fill his aimation. lie wished that some provision' *ere adopted, by which persona appointed to military situations -*mild be compelled to acquire a certain degree of information in the lariguege ordinarily spoken in India, before they went out there. Every public servant sent out to India ought to be properly (planar(' to perform the duties attached to his situe. tion. He admitted that the business of Haileybury was better conducted now than formerly; still, however, he must express his decided conviction that it never would answer the purpose for which it was originally intended. It wits only to much brick and mortar, and the expellee incurred by keep ing the establiiihment up ought to be done away. Captain BRAD THAW shortly adverted to the necessity which existed for instructing the cadets in the ordinary lan. gunge Of Indie. Sir T. BA 111 NC agreed in opinion with the Hon. Member for 'Aberdeen, that the instituticn at Haileybury had been pro. .tinctive of more harm than good. Those who went out to India Ile servants of the Company ought unquestionably to receive it Irberal education ; and to prove that they were properly quali fied they ought to be subjected to a certain. examination, If they could be educated under the eyes of their friends and rein fives, it would he bettir than if they received instruction apart from them, Mr: C. GRANT trusted that his Right Hon. Friend would only make this a temporary measure. The whole of the com-, plant ts made against Halley bury College rested on mere vague .report. Tnat heaitution laud been opposed by the protectors of .petronage—by those who obstinately adhered to the former sys tem, merely on account of its having hang preveiled ; and who were adverse to any improveMent, which they regarded as a dangerous innovation ; and likewise by a certain class of the Company's servants in India, who conceived that it would .roilitate to their prejUdiee. The College had been opposed by .the united force of all those conflicting interests. It had also .Opptments both in the Court of Directors and in the Court -or Proprietors. Much had been asserted about the distur. barmen and irregularities which occurred in that establish ment. On this point be would only say, and he defied those' who censured the College to., the proof, that those distur bances and irregularities were not greater in number or de gree than were to be seen "in other seminaries of the same magnitude. Ile would not enter into the number of minor complaints which had been alleged against this establish ment; but he would contend that during the laid twenty years (the pericid during which this college had stood) there was a marked and decided improvement in the conduct and chdracter of the East India Company's servants in India. It was useless to talk to him of the danger, and mischief, and evils, which heti been engendered by the formation of this College. Instead of dealing in vague assertion, he would at once WO the sentiments which men of very great talent, anti veto) were perfectly competent to form a just opinion on this tubject,'had expressed as to the usefulness of this Institution. In 1810, Lord 111 into spoke highly of its usefulness; a few years after Colonel Roebuck gave testimony of It similar cha mete: ; and, finally. the Marquis of Haitings had expressed hie approbation of ;he College in the mos unqualified terms.— (Weer 1)—lf he were not mistaken, the Marquis of Hastings traced much attic: proficiency ih knowlege, and much of the efficiency which was displayed by the Company's servants in the discharge oftheir duties, to the *terms which they were obliged to pass at fluileybury College. And this night, his Right Ilan. Friend (Mr. Wynn) had suited that every comm.. nic.ation which he received frOTTI India more strongly convinced him ache, usefulness of t h at college. .t ccording to the statement Grids night llon.Priend the bushiest oft - iovernment was carried on in the most satiefactory manner., and almost entirely by Jinn, viduals who had been educated at ilaileyburp That instini dun bad been found to Meet the peculiar circumstances of the time; and the result had been the creation of a body of public funetionttriev not Inferior to any that ever existed.—( Hear !) Serne gentlemen were otopimon,that the present measure ought to be nettle permanent ; and that it would be sufficient for every purpose, if individuals going out to India were obliged to submit to some common test. There appeared, at first sight, something very plaesiide in this ; but it should be observed, thet this test k ) examination could apply to nothing but lite. re:ore. It could have no reference. to xcholastic to moral character; er to propriety. of conduct. Besides, thiritlenien count feel how easy it was to procure a card. e twe of prOfiriency under such a test as haft been alluded to. TherefOre. leaving out of the question the habits of mo. re hik e i t ai e e which the present system produced, that, even in a literary point of view, the uuisln of education which was e e eeeere a by t h e oppooents of Ileileybury College would be extrenidy defective. When individuals spoke of the prof'. .tieney which a young man ought to °loam before lie pro. ceeded -to India, he took it that they adverted to the lowest ilegtee protici eicy tO that which might be flied as a mini "seat. Now, it wets quite evitient to liars that that minimum • onitddi be'botb the Minimum /and the m4ximum. There would be no inducement to make a young man acquire any knowledge beyond. that which was necessary to curry bun through his exit mmatioM Where there was competition, as was the case at present, the result wits very difibrent. Now he begged to ask, what was to be done with the patronage of the Mist India Company, if the existing system were abandoned ?- Was it meant to throw - open the writer-ships to all the young men of the country ? 'Were they to be made the reward of successful competition ? If so, the question must be argued on other grounds. At present those appointments were made by the Directors of the East India Company, and were granted at their will. Every appointment was viewed, not as a mattar, that was to be contended for, but as a vested interest which' some individual had already obtained through his connection, —So far from its being looked upon as a thing that might be , contended for, many eases could be adduced, where even , when some delinquency was proved, it had been considered a great hardship to deprive the student of that which had been pro mised to him. This wits a very nice point to deal with. The present system,. he conceived, was well calculated for sending out efficient servants to India; but if a better could be devised, be the expence of time or. money what it might, he certainly would support it. 11r. 1 1 11114 M MORE, believed that Ilaileybury College had fully completed its functions by furnishing India with a suffi ciency of well-educated. young Men for the civil and military services. At the time establishing the college, there wawa great deficiency of the proper means of education. Never. did any functionaries - hequire more honour and credit than the young men sent out front the college. Mr. 'I'RA NT said, that he did not think so highly of the education Of this college. Ills experience.of the effiicts of it in India, led him to prefer the young men educated at the Universities. The present measure was particularly desirable, so far as it allowed officers in India to repair to the Cape for the recovery of their health. Mr. LINDSAY thought that the education of Ilaileybury college was all - that was necessary to qualify them for their situations in India. _ ...... Mr. WYNN repited.—Leave was then given to bring in the Bill. PROMISSORY NOTE BILL. 'rho CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIEQUER said, that after the ample discussion which the subjects of banking and promissory notes had undergone, and the opportunities which he had enryed ofexpressing his opinion upon them, it was not his intention to detain the Ilouse at any length, on the present occasion. lie confessed that the more he had applied his at. tention to them, the more he had become persuaded that the opponents to the new regulations were without any ground whereon they could rely for refusing in adopt them in the case of Scotland. Ile confessed that there was a material difference between the cases of behold and Scotland, and that it was ne cessary to take all circumstances into consideration before they proceeded to legislate. Parliament was hound in fairness to listen to the expression of the opinions of all who were op posed to it, and of allowing them an opportunby of either proving their case, or having the grounds of their complaint re moved, if their case could not be proved. It appeared to hint, therefore, that the most prudent and effectual mode for all par ties would be to allow a full, free, and unreserved consid , fration to he given to the subject before a Select Committee. It had been said that former Committees which had sat upon the cur rency and upon the differences between paper and gold, its well as to the effects of those differences upon it, had not taken into their consideration the circumstances of Scotch currency—that even the committee oflBl9 had somehow °rather overlooked that branch of The Subject, nor could it he said that it had ever under gone sufficient investigation. lie agreed that they ought not to charge those who opposed the application of the new measures to Scotland with any unfairness in their purposes or theirarguments, until theyhad first of all heard and endeavoured to convince them; hut he must be allowed to remark, that Parliament, in dealing with this subject first of all, had begun with this very case of Scotland ; for in 1785, it had restrained the issues of small notes, which were then in circulation in that country, as a me dium wholly incompatible wish the interests of those into whose hands it was most likely to go. Undoubtedly, though Parliament was bound in the present case to legislate for the general interests of the empire, it ought to take every possible precaution, consistently with its sense of duty, not to preju-. dice Scotland. As to Ireland, there appeared to be no such. strong disinclination to the measure contemplated. The dr cumstunces of Ireland differ ti materially from those of Eng. land or of Scotland. The Parli-ment of Ireland, in 1799, two years after the Restoration Act, had suspended the issue of small notes in that country. In 1804, the British Parliament thought it neeess_ary to assimilate the regulations of the cur. rency of the two kingdoms. Nothing could be more different than the feelings of Scotland anti Ireland on this subject. For the present, he was resolved to abstain from all further remark. being particularly desirous to avoid all topics which might lead to irritation, or divert the sober judgment of the House by exciting angry passions, from :Oust consideration of the inte rests of all parties concerned. Ile therefore moved that a Select Committee be appointed to inquire into the state of the circulation of promissory notes, under AL value, in Scotland and Ireland, and to report their opinion thereupon, in refe rence to the expediency. of an alteration of the laws relating thereto. Mr. IL GURNEY thought that it would be much safer to abstain front this inquiry, which could only add to the ferment lately experienced and still lingering in the public mind. The experience of the operations of three Committees, including the Bullion Committee, which hail sat eke:tilt , ()ugh. to con vince them that the ,only effbct would be, renewed agitation, depression, and distress, in the aflitirs of the country. At least let them forbear from interfering with that land until they bad tried the effect of the measurtfon England. Scotland bad gone on increasing in prosperity Under that system of circulation, while Ireland was continually convulsed by distress for want of a circulation. lie objected to any further interference on the part of Government or Parliament with the money affairs of the country. Mr. KEITH DOUGLAS said, that Parliament ought to Phew some deference for the petitions which were coming up from all parts of Scotland in opposition to the proposed altera tion of their currency. During the whole period of the Scotch banking system, nothing had occurred which would warrant the proposed interference in their concerns. The state of things which had arisen in England, and called for a change, sprung from the late panic, occasion in part by the insolvency of some of the smaller bankers ; but not so in Scotland, where the people were perfectly satisfied with the solvency of their bankers, and the accommodution which they afforded. In Englund the evils to be corrected were, first, the too great extent of the small hunk-note system ; and the remedy to be applied was, the suppression of all notes under 5/. value, leav ing their place to be supplied by gold. But then it was said, for uniformity sake, the same systein must be extentleo to Ire. land and Scotland, end particularly in the case of the letter; for it' the small-note circulation were still upheld there, it must necessarily interfere with and injuriously ufl'ect the British gold - currency, by being mixed up wait it. Now he denied that this could ever take place in the manner apprehended ; nobody in England would countenance the circulation of Scottish notes in preference to their own gold coin. The 11(4 Member then entered into a brief history of the Scottish banking system since its establishmem in the year 1704; and pointed out, that as no inconvenience whatever was found in its practical opera ! tion, it was most unwise to meddle with It. As to the appoint. ment of the proposed Committee, feeling the case of Scotland to bit so strong, he should not resist inquiry. All be hoped was that the proceedings of the Committee should be so directed as to avoid mischief. Care ought to be taken that while iuvesti. gating the syitem,no discredit should be cast upon individUal institutions.—(llear, bear!)—The subject in that view was one extreme delicacy To any inquiry into the amount of Scotch. bank notes, circulated at any given time, he could see no ob. jection, Captain CORDON could not anticipate any good from the appointment of this Committee. The system of banking in Scotland wits solid and substantial, and required no change.— The people had gone on well tinder it, and their unanimous! voice was raised against the meditated altergtion. W. DUN DA S entirely differed front his lion: Friends in their view of tho subject; ter he thanked (and •so Might all.. the Northern Members) the Government for bringing this mat ter to the test of inquiry, having no doubt that the resmtlt would be satisfactory to his fellow countrymen. An inquiry was wanted into the probable consequences . of withdrawing front their circulation the 11. notes. The British Parliament could not be expected to take the mere words of the Scotch Members upon such a question, it was therefore reasonable to call for a Committee, where alone the requisite proof could be furnished. He was attached to the present system, and therefore courted rather than feared inquiry..---( Hear 1) Mr. DRUMMOND said that it was universally admitted there was no neeeisity for the proposed change. An inquiry, however, could do no harm, and might be productive of good. With respect to what had been said elsewhere of the alarm with which British interference was held in Scotland, he for himself, and he believed he might add for the whole Of the Scottish Mem. tiers, disclaimed entertaining the remotest jealousy of that in. terference.(flear, hear I)—On the. contrary, he thought the national prosperity was likely to be promoted by British inquiry and co.oaeration. Mr. MAURICE -FITZGERALD said, that nothing had been touched upon respecting the effect of the proposed measure in Ireland, which wart in-this respect differently situated front either Etntland or Scotland.. To be sure their northern neigh bours had taken up the subject most warmly, and rushed Into - a rebellion upon it,.--(hear, hear I)—he meant only a rebellion of paper uguinstgold.....4A laugh. } -- Ireland, quite passive, -and )---Ireland, however , had re and perh a p s for the reasons assigned by her oldest hisunians—that she never knew how to rebel at the proper time._. 4 (A 1, 4 ) stability —He then p r o ce eded to sneak highly of the of the present banking system in Ireland, where there were branches of the national bank, and joint-stock bank ers, properly maintaining the circulating medium of the coun try. He admitted that the case was in some instances different formerly. He remembered the establishment of one bank by a country apothecary, who had only his shop, with either full or empty boxes, and a Captain of Dragoons, who had only his troop ; and yet they contrived in the short space•of two years to Issue 490,000/. of notes, which eventually diffused the greatest misery among the surrounding population. • The prin., ciple of the proposed change was seamtl, but they must be cautious i n its application ; and he had the apprehensions whether they could supply with gold the vacancy occasioned by the suppression of the small notes throughout the kingdom generally. It was practicable in England, but not so in Ire land and Scotland at the same time. Ile reminded the House that he was the only perssn who had raised his voice against the reissuing of the small notes. - Sir CHARLES. FORBES said, that the proposed mea sure was perfectly unnecessary and uncalled for. The Hon. Baronet- proceeded to observe, in alluding to the observations of the Chancellor of the Exchequer on a former evening, re specting the letters ascribed to the great Scotch novelist, that it was beneath the - dignity of the Ilouse to notice the luctibra tions of an Anonymous writer—he meant Mr. Mac—what's his name—(b a ud laughter) :—he agreed in opinion with the Mem ber for Montrose, that it was but trifling with the time of the House, anti below its dignity, to notice the productions of that anonymous person. So little curiosity had he (Sir C. Forbes) respecting those letters, that he could assure the House upon his honour_( Renewed laughter)—he had never read a line of them. Before he sat down, be could not but observe that the statement made by the Right Hon. Gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) the other night, differed materially from the Budget of 1823, which was a fair straight.t'orward John Bull statement, and.not at all like that which the House had lately heard. He saw no necessity for this Committee—it was un called for and unnecessary ; but he would vote for it in compli ment to Scotland. He had no interest to forward by adopting that course. Ile thought it, necessary to say so, because he was a governor of the Old Bank of Edinbur g h ; but, notwith standing that connection, he did nut hold but a single share its the concern, and consequently could not be supposed to be in fluenced by interested motives. lie disclaimed any intention of impeding the measure, and he called upon the Gentlemen connected with Scotland to express their sentiments. Alderman WOOD was surprised that there should be an in quiry as. to Scotch Banks in particular, because he thought the system (hero was so perfect that it did nut require any altera tion or' improvement. He say no reason for an inquiry, but if such were necessary, it should extend generally. He would williingly join any Scotch Member in dividing the House on the question. 'l'. WILSON agreed with the Worthy Alderman that there should be no inquiry respecting Scotch Banks : sufficient mischief had been done by interfering with English Banks, and if an inquiry took place into the banking system of Scotland, mischirf.would also follow. The House had enough of busi ness on hand, and if Scotland was meddled with, Ireland should likewise be considered, and in this way considerable delay as well as mischief' would arise. General HA HT expressed himself in favour of the Committee . . The question being put by the SPEAKER, n few cries r.f " No, no," were heard ; but the opposition being partial, the :notion was carried without the House dividing. Amongst the names of the Members of the Committeee we collected the fol lowing:—The Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Peel, Mr. Tierney, Mr. Willia►n Dundalk, Sir John 'Newport, Mr. John Smith, Mr. HuMe, Mr. Baring, Captain Cordon, Sir IlenrY Parnell, the Lortl Advocate, Lord . Archibald Hamilton, and Mr. Pascoe Grenfell. WESTM NST R ABBEY. Mr. HUME rose to submit his promised motion respecting the charges for admissions to view the public monuments in Westminster Abbey. Ile began by observing, that the sub. j act of paying for admission to the Abbey had been frequently discussed by the Ilouse, and he understood, in consequence of the feeling that prevailed in those discussions, that these charges had been partially reduced. The revenues arising from the Abbey, he understood, amounted to 20A01. per an num, exclusive of the Rums paid for admission's. The officers connected with the establishment were remunerated by fees, contrary to the spirit of the charter, and in opposition to the right of the public to view the monuments without expellee. It' the Honse had been at the expence of that establishment. it was but right that it should be open to public inspection. Ile felt as strongly as any one the,necessity of preserving those ve nerable monutnents from being mutilated, but he also frit, as they had been erected at the public expense, he public had a tight to he admitted to view them. A correspondence had been put into 11;s hands last year, by which it appeared that the per sona who showed visitors to the abbey were paid by the funds arising from the fees which were paint by those whose curiosity led them to view the monuments. Now this system of paying for admission to the . Abbey was of recent origin. Fifty years ago there were no such charges in existence ; the public were then athnitted to the monuments without any expence. As the present was the first vote which the Parliament had been called upon to make, it was incumbent on the House to inquire what right the Dean and Chapter had to charge for the admission of the public. If the Dean and Chapter were poor, and unable to pay the expenc4s of their establishment without resorting to such means, it nigh f be expedient to allow the practice of taking ad mission fees; but as the fact was otherwise, it was right that they should be abilished. Public opinion bad been kludly and frequently expressed in reprobation of the custom; but the Dean and Chapter still persisted in maintaining it. The practice of receiving feet at the Abbey was most disgraceful, and he protested against the principle of public monuments being exhibited for money. If therefore, Parliament, or the Government, had the power to prevent the Dean and Chapter from sanctioning practices that were ao unpopular, he trusted that that paw er would be exerted to prevent their recu rrence . Ile therefore moved for a return of the charges made for the admission of persons to .Westminster Abbey, for the last five years, and the manner,in which those sums had been appro. printed. Mr. "EEL. could see no immediate objection to the motion of th e lion. Uentlemimkplthough he did not exactly coincide with the view which ire-lied taken of the subject. The lion. Gentleman was in error in supposing that the Dean and Chap. ter could be compelled to admit the public free of charge. Westminster Abbey did not afford an exception to other places of a like nature where fees were taken. He was also wrong in stating that so late as fifty }ears ago no fees w ere t a k en f or admission to the Abbey. By a reference to ancient records, it would be found that money was demanded and taken for ad mission, and by a document which ,he (Mr. Peel) held i n hi s hand, dated 1813, that fact was clearly established ; so that the practice was not o f such recent origin as the Hon. . Member for Montrose had stated. The fees taken for the admission of visitors were divided between the minor canons and the persons who composed the choir. The incomes of those persons might be averaged at lOW. a year each, about OM of which they de rived front the fees. The House should observe, that in bbe ments earl t ed. It did n h ti e t i r a i, i r t t o ) t u e n c o t o n n f t r o o r n e l n u u t t l t a h t e i o le i c a uj s i o t of tei y t h r e e q m u t ir n e u d: thence to its wishes, the a d m i ss i on fee had considerably decrees was open to the public three times in each day, and artists were admitted without any charge. The admission fee, in defrrence to the opinion of the /louse, had been alre a dy re . duced front 2s. to ls. 3d.---a sum which could not be consi dered very immoderate, when the safety of the monuments was thereby insured. The Honourable Member (Mr. Mime) wits also wrong in stating that the Dean and Chapter had not expended money on the repairs of the Abbey. It appeared thaethe sum at' 153,8131. had been laid out in a series of b r , provenients ; and within the last twelve years 40,0001. had been expended in repairs. Taking the average of this sum, it would leave 3,3301. fix. ad, for each year so that the Dean and Ch aper had not been so remiss us the don. Gentian= had supposed. Al uch good had also been produced by having u fixed and deli nite charge for admission, instead of leaving the remuneration to the generosity of the visitors. Having stated so far, and wish ing the - subject to be fairly brought forward, Inc did not wish to throw any obstacle in the way of the lion. Member's motion. ---iii.IIOBIIOUSE expressed a wish to see a reformation eflimted with respect to the practice of receiving money from the public who came to see the monuments. yet he wished that they should be protected from injury, and that those relies which were venerable from time, and endeared by the recollec tions which they ra i se d, s h ou ld b e held sacred and tr ee fr om mutilation. It was true , its stated by the Secretary for the Home Department, that improvements had taken place, and he agreed in opinion with the flight lion. Gentleman, that ther e should be some c h ec k to .t h e i n discriminate admission of the public. There s h ou ld, h e (M r . Hobliouse) conceived, b e a person appointed to preserve the monuments from injury, but this tnight b e accom pli r h et i w i t hout taxing the public. Mr. W. SMITH said, that it was probable a much l arger sum heti been divided by the canons than that which was stated by the Right Don. Sec re t a ry. Mr. PEEL replied, that the Dean and Chapter had never made any charge. Mr. SYKEt said, that when he recollected that those mo.. g H m on n . ted Se b c y re t t h a e ry n , numents were erected at, the public expence, he could not but feel that the public had a right to view them as Often as they e i t t iii 4 a l rid pleased. With reference, to what bad fallen from the Right n c o l t la c p =ct to say that the patent was Illr. PEEL (across the tabig_The patent was granted by the Dean and Chapter. Mr. BARING said, that in ancient times cathedrals were open for the athnissien of all persons at all times of the day ; end at present in Catholic countries any person who demanded it was admitted into theta without restriction. If the Dean and Chapter of this cathedral claimed the power of excluding' parties, they ought to show the right on which such claim was asserted. He would admit that something ought, to be given for admission; but that ought to be as little as possible.— (Hear, hear!) Mr. P.M. said that he had been misunderstood, if he were supposed to have , said that the Dean and Chapter asserted- the right of eXcluding persons at all times of the day. The cathe dral was, he understooL open three times a stay to every per. son who claimed admiNance. . Mr. Alderman WOOD said it was open to rho ,;110, chose to go and,hear service 614 A theonomentifervipe , was ended, the' parties who remainedlolOok alsout at the huinuments were asked for money, for the permission to do so. Mr. HUME said, that the reffisal to allow parties to remain after service, was in effect a virtual prohibition; anti he knew Of no right by which such refusal was warranted. It was stated that the fund thus collected at the doors of the Cathedral were appropriated to the payment of the minor canons ; but that was not necessary, as there were certain tithes and emoluments be. longing to them, which were quite sufficient for their support; but those tithes were, as he was informed, lately appropriated by the Dean and Chapter to other purposes. Mr. H. Gu ItNEY and Mr. 31 °Nei: objected to any regula tion of the Dean and Chapter, which went to deprive the minor canons of those tithes that belonged to them. It was unfair they should be left depbndent on the-funds collected for admis sion at the doors. The motion was then put, and agreed to. BANK CHARTER AMENDMENT BILL. In answer to a question from Mr. BARING; The CH NCELIJOR of the EXCHEQUER said, lie would postpone the Committee on this Bill till Monday. REPORT OF SUPPLY. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCLIE QLTER, the Report of Supply was brought up, and the several resolutions were agreed to. IRISH ESTIMATES. Mr. HUME wished to know w hether it was intended to bring on the Irish Estimates tomorrow (this day.) He under. stood that some of them wete not printed. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that he was not aware that they were not in print ; but at all events they were not different in any material point from those of last year. It was the intention of his Right Hon. Friend Mr. Gout burn to bring them on, except the estimate for the expence of education in Ireland, which would be deterred for a short time. If there were any other item to which a fair objection could be made tomorrow, it would also be deferred till next week. CRUEL. TREATMENT OF CATTLE BILL. hlr. R. MARTIN moved the second reading of this Bill. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL objected to the Rill, as being too general and indefinite in its enactments ; but he added, that be would not enter into the details of his objections at that moment. Mr. It. MARTIN defended the principle of the Bill, and maintained the general accuracy of the statements he had made on a former occasion as to the instances of cruelty practised on several animals, and what lie had said of the cruelty practised in Oxfordshire towards a bull. It was true that the tongue had been torn out of die animal while alive ; but it was not sent round on a plate, but on a piece of paper. The other cases of cruelty he h a d ment i one d were a l s o substantially correct.— One of the cases he had stated-:-that of the flaying of a dog alive—was told him by a highly respectable Magistrate, Mr. Halls, of Bow•street Office. The lion. Member then went on to say that he thought he should have great reason to complain of the .-Nttorney-Generitl,if he either opposed or sanctioned any opposition to the present Bill ; for this Bill was in substance a copy of one which, on a tinnier occasion, had been corrected and approved of by that Learned Gentleman ; at least it only dif fered from in the following particulars, that the words " dog and other domesticated animals," which were not in the former Bill, had been introduced into the present one, as also a pro viso, which had been added in consequence of an objection which had been raised Against the former Bill in the House of Lords, that without such proviso it might have the effect of re pealing'a very beneficial enactment, called Sir James Mackin. tosh's Act, for preventing the ill-treating of cattle. Mr. Alderman WOOD said, he could not support the pre sent bill ; and he thought he had good reason to complain of the Hon. Member for having deserted his post the other even ing when the flogging of men was under discussion ; lie trusted that when that question should next come on to be agitated, the Hon. Member would consider it his duty to favour the House with his attendance, anti that he would not, in the mean time, expend all his smpathy upon dogs and rats, but that lie would reserve some small portion of it, at least, for Iris own species. Mr. O. LAMB did not particularly object to the introduc tion of tho word " dog," but he considered the whole Bill ex ceptionable ; and he thought the lion. Member would have advanced his object much more, if he had supported the Itill by arguing it on the merits, inste a d of en t er i ng s o much i n to ' detail as - to conversations which had passed between himself and the Attorney-General resecting it. Mr. LOCKHART sa id that he had supported the Hon. Member's first Bill, and that he was also favourable to the ob• ject which the present Bill had in view ; but that he could not give it his support, because lie did not conceive that it was at all calculated for the attainment of that object. Mr. TRA NT was adverse to the Bill, and'moved by way of amendment, that it be read n second time this day six months. Mr. WARRE thought dint the Honourable Member had already brought about sufficient legislation on this subject, and that it was not politic in him to press this measure any further. Mr. MARTIN, in reply, said, that lie thought if it was merely ou account of the introduction of the word dog, that most Iliithful of animals, this Bill deserved to be permitted to go into u Committee. The Honourable' Member then recapi tulated his former statements as to the cruelties which had been practised upon this - animal ; after . which, Mr. Tram's amendment was put and agreed to, and so the Bill was thrown out. other orders were then disposed of, and the House ad journed at TWELVE o'Cr.ocK. FLANDERS MAIL. [Received last night.] GHENT, 111Ancil 14.—11 y a Decree of the 10th his Ma jesty has granted to the Chevalier de Coninck the permission which he has long solicited, to resign the office of Minister of Foreign /Mir*: he retains the title and rank of Minister of State. Baron J. G. Verstolk Van Zoelenn, who has held the office ad interim, is now appointed Minister of Foreign Affairs. Baron Van Ilickeren, Charge d'Affaires ad interim at the Court of Russia, is appointed Ambassador Extraordinary and Minister Plenipotentiary to the same Court. The following is an extract of a private letter from Luxem burg of the 10th of this month : " You undoubtedly know that the federal fortress of Lux emburg was to be delivered up to the German Confederation.— Some well.informed persons, however, believe that the King of the Netherlands will not give,up the fortress to the Confedera tion, except on certain conditions. We have at this time in our city three Lieutenant-Generals, three Major-Generals, and a Prince. " One of our journals says, that the ring bequeathed by the late Bishop of Namur to his Majesty the King of the Nether. lands",is the same that the Emperor Napoleon sent to that venerable prelate, as a testimony of his satisfaction with the zeal displayed by him in his honourable functions. " The will of the Bishop of Namur is a monument of Chris. tian charity. The Philosophical College could not be men. tioned in it, for it is dated the 29th June, 182 h" ST. WENDELL, Matten 2.—The temporary separation which has subsisted since the Month of September, 1824, be tween his Serene Highness the Duke of Cobourg Saalfeld, Prince of Lichtenstein, and his consort (a Princess of Saxe Gotha Altenburg), has just been tendered permanent by'a formal decree of divorce between the parties. FRAN Nrowr, Matto' O.—Lieut.:General Count Lieven, Russian Antbassaclor to the British Court, has arrived here froth London. Journal Uniikrsal of the 9th contains the following post- cript : " Wo are at this Moment informed of the failure of the house of Callarnan wane, nt Vienna, whose father who died five years ago, left thew a fortune of 5,000,000 of florins." .e uli d an l6 tC ll pounds, one dogs, belon g i ng to Captain LYON, mile yards) in nine minutes, en d wor k e d i n t hi s man ner for seven or eight hours a d a y. (171 , 0 dErsarg PA RLIAM EN TA Y PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(THIS DAY). ORDERS OF THE DAY. 1. Usury Laws Repeal lfill—Second reading. 2. Prison Laws (Ireland) Bill—Corkmittee. Supply—Committee. r . 4...„Lakils and I:eneuvrits irelrul),Billy; , Comm iqee. . Irrits'of 31anciturnisfireland) Bill—T2ommittee. 6. Church Rates (Ireland) Bill—Second reading. 7. Middlesex Turnpike Trusts Bill—Second reading. 8. Ways and Means—Committee. NOTICES OF MOTIONS. 1. Mr. Estcourt—Bill for the better regulation of the Licensing - of Alehouses in England. 2. Mr. Goulburn—lrish Miscellaneous Estimates. (In Com mittee of Supply.) 3. Mr. Berries—Civil Contingencies, Nos 3; and bliseellp neous Estimates. (In Committee of Supply). 4. Mr. Littleton—To rescind an order of the house of Feb.- 13. PRICE OF STOCKS THIS B.mk Stock ' shut 3 per Cent. Red. 3 per Cent. Cons. 3i per Cent. Ditto lied. 4 per Cent. New Bank Long :Um ..... shut India Stock shut; Ditto Bomb, 4 p. c. 3 2 pm. I South Seat Stock oA Y t C osc ii . (7 l,o eg• Old Annuities ............ shut New Ditou .. ... ............ Ex. Bills 1101.2 d.... 6 4 pm. Ditto 5004 2d, . ............. Ditto Snail! 2d. • Ditto Advertised ............ 13ank for Acct. ............... India for Acct. ........... 233 Cons. for .Acct.......... 7i iii PRICES OF romos F Austrian lids, 5 per cent Brazilian lids Buenos lyres lids ... 581 60 Milian, lids, 6 per cent — Colombianis Do. 1024 Danish, 3 per cent. Greek lids Do. 1826 Guatimala Mexican lids. 5 p. c. Do. 1825, 6 p. c. 6314 4 31 4 N x i e ): p % ), T itn O n. N l E 92 o 4 Peruvian Bonds 3ll Portuguese Bonds ......... 7 4 Prus%iitti, 3 per cent. ...... Ditto New Russian, New, 5 p.c.. ...... • Spanish 1821, 5 p. c. JO 111 i 7 1823 ... . ..... . ........ 7 . French Rentes, 5 p.c. —f• Exchange ... —f• --c " 3p. a . . ... . ... — r. Exchange PRICES OF SHARES AT ONE O'CLOCK. Per Shart. Anglo-MexicAn Mining Company ..................... Bolanos Allining - C o mpany ................................. 6U PUannict: d l' a e i r e u x v i i c a a n n 3 3 1 i n n i i n n g g C c o o n m q pan ............................................. 1)u~~ FOREIGN M ~IrtnivED. Guernsey and Jersey Lisbon Holland - France Flanders - itll,li wATEit AT LONDON BLUME TO-MORROW. Itorning, 46 minute% after 6.1 Evening,.2o minutes after `J. Tilt. SUN. SOLER QUIS DICERZ FALSUM. Dro) LONDON, Furn.ir EVENING. MARCH 17, 1826. avie".16111101,.....•11014 4,1••••• We feel extretne regret in publishing the f °l• lowing4l3ulletin, announcing the Indisposition of II s MAJESTY. On this subject there have been so many exaggerated reports, that olthQ u g l : the fact of his Majesty's illness, is placed bp y on. doubt, the decrease of fever noticed in the con' chiding paragraph, naturally excites the hope of a I • t speedy abatement or his Maj e sty's comP.l"" BULLETIN. " King's Lodge, Windsor Pork, ilforch 16. " The KING has been for the last three weeks under the in• fluence of gout; but on Monday last his M AirsTY had Ail° fever with symptoms of inflammation. " The KIND was bled on Monday and again on with much relief. " His MAJESTY had less fever yesterday, and 11 " st ill less to-day. (Signed) " HENRY HALFORDI " MATTEW JOHN TIERNEY, " HENR Y HERBERT lIIOUTHEY," A Mail from Lisbon arrived this morning, the Sil l bringing Gazettes from that Capital to inst. A Supplement to the official iizeita, dated from 'the Palace at Bemposta , March at contains a decree appointing the iNvANIA ':DONNA ISABELLA MARIA, MS A J"/ daughter, jointly with the Counsellors °' State therein named, as a Regency, ") take f the charge of administering the ofi Llirs Government, in consequence of the illnes It under which his MAJESTY Was SUfferl O g • will baleen, that successive Bulletins b ad been previously issued at Bemposta, announc in g that i the KING was suffering under , a succession o f nervous attacks I. LISBON, IVIABCII Ills Majesty was seized on Saturday, the 4th instant, in °°- sequence of indigestion with nervous attacks, which were, b° ever, relieved by the timely application of proper rem edie° ,. Palace of Bemposta, sth March, to ii The Second and Third Bulletins, the last dated 11 1 3 - T11 ', 4 1,, that his Majesty was better, and had had no repetition 01 nervous attacks. MAUCH 7.—Fourth Bulletin, 6th March, 6 a.m....M1 Ms: b t his jetty continued witho u t an y c ha ng e till 16 min utes Past mornin g , wh en h e had ' a s li g ht nervous atrack , which did vat last two minutes. Fifth Bulletin, March 6, Seven p.m .—His Majettr el4l:l*' rienced fresh nervous attacks, which were frerlue_calY "P eg/ till a planer past two in the afternoon , a nd one was so violent% that, feirs b e i ng enterta i n ed for the precious life of his Alta .." jesty, the Phy s i c i ans p er mitted that he should , receive es vinit tretn unction at nine o'clock in the morning, his Alaje l " confessed and taken the sacrament on the Stit in the mo n " `". Lisnox, SUPPLEMENT TO THE CiAZETTE OFFICIAL. Department of the Minister elite Interior, llis Majesty the Emperor and King our Soverelgn, ' 113°4 4 * rietl in his paternal cares for the Government. Of } il l : bel° ,_ V % e h v e en is i n n ow the labouring, midst of thehapains been pleased s u people, and to remove every thing which rnight aired tuei tranquillity and security, attending to these important cages, Providence is pleased to afflict him in the illness under W oder 1 ritnogisswwietlitwbit:icrohoDowir:ne DECREE. " It being advisable to provide for the : h G ov ernmen t of these kingdoms and dominions during the 1106 ' !port, now suffering, that the suspension of a ff airs , even thou 8"" y