The Sun. — London, England, 1838-03-06 00:00:00

—______------_ . S P 110 T OF T OE P 1 JOURNALS Evsry sound and honest Reformsr will be at his post this day. the rush of the Tories to town from all quirts - Ts suf ficently indicates to Liberal Members the course which must be taken by them. But though we thus feel it cur duty to warn Reformers to be in their place this day. Iselin: aware of the cegerriess of the Tory underlines to re-enter office on any terree. we are net. we confess, under any great apprehension that the Duke of Wellington or Sir Robert Peel will sccend the viCW3 of these gentlemen. Of coure no cue for a moment supposes that Sir Robert Peel will so far depart from all con esitutional rules as to single out one individual in a Cabinet a ‘ a political victim. Ile knows well that every act of Lord Gle'tig is the act of Lord Melbourne, but that no Member of the. liOnew of Commons is. entitled to eeerciee any inquisitioe i nto t h e 01am:cc which this or that Member o the Cabinet h as i n the t iuneiis of Government. As, however, where there is a will v . :qv is a way, we can conceive that skilful tac ticians, anxious to enter office on any terms, might en graft en Sir William s Molestsoithes 'action an amendment whieb would deprive it of I:' c hara cter d nneonetitutional ; an vie can conceive that two or thre''' individuals callin g them selves Radicals might even be so ),'E't on breakieg up the Administration as to support the amensini."'l t as a pis - a ll " , still we must be strangely cut in the estimate of the Hous o g of Commons if this combination of Tories and the I . ,2,l r ee nci .! e Radicalism would be successful. But let us assum e that Li. Tories by the aid alluded to could obtain a vote expressive of want of confidence in the Cabinet, or even condemnatory of its foreign policy, the difficulties of the Tories would only then begin. What is to come of this monstrous and unnatural union of Tories and anarchical-Radicals? Would the Tories to conciliate their new allies, who are dissatisfied with Lord Melbourne because be cannot see his way in a Reform of the House of Peers, because he will riot turn the Bishop out of that House, propose Universal Suffrage ; be causes he wishes to reform, not to destroy, the Church Establishment, and has doubts as to the propriety of casting off all the colonies of the country ; because, in short, the policy of his Government is to remedy abuses, not to destroy institutions—would the Tories, we say, to keep their new allies in g ood humour, at the hazar d of throwing every part of the empire into confusion, adopt all the extreme measures which the irapracticables have pa tronized ? Would they propose the unconditiona l re p eal of the Poor-la.w Amendment Act, to gratify Mr. Ficlden, and Mr. Murphy, of Marylebone, and his protege, Co lonel Thompson ? if they are not prepared to embrace a destruetive policy, Ley will soon be deserted by their new allies. But we will ent insult the Duke of Wellington and Sir Robert Peel by supposing for a moment that they would turn their backs on all the Tories al the country to conciliate men of whom they have always affected such special abhorrence, as to make it a reproach to the present Ministers that they were even supported by them. The alliance, then, like a former me morable one, would dissolve with the dissolution of the Mel bourne Ministry. The question that next oecur3 is—suppos ing the present Ministry could be broken up by a combination of Tories and Destructives, and a Tory Ministry installed, could the Government be carried on ? And here in the very outset we are met by the state of Ireland. Is it for nothing that the great majority of Irish Members attach so much im portance to the principles according to which the government of Ireland is reow conducted? Is it not because they knew that for the first time in her history the Government has been conducted, not for the benefit of an ascendant class, but of the whole people ? that the law has been administered with fair ness and impartiality ? that men are appointed to offices, not on account of their creed, but on account of their respectability and their qualifications? Has this system given satisfac tion to the Orangemen ? Is it not, on the contrary, as well known as anything can be known to the Orangemen, so far from being reconciled to this system, are inflamed with bitter hostility against all who countenance it; and that the condition on which alone they would give their support to any Government would be the indulging them in the gratifica tion of their burning desire to take vengeance on the people of Ireland, and all who have supported a conciliatory policy to wards them ? The first step, then, which Ministers must take either delivers over the people of Ireland to the vengeance of the infuriated Orangemen, or arrays against them these very Orangemen. Of this the Duke of Wellington and Sir Robert Peel arc well aware. The Orangemen are dangerous friends and equally dangerous enemies; and there is no middle course. But is it so certain that because the people of England and Scotland are now more indifferent to politics than we have ever known them to be, and in a great measure absorbed with the pursuits of commerce and industry, that a transference of government from the hands of men whose whole course has been one of amelioration and improvement, though they may have at times fallen short of the wishes of some of their more sanguine supporters—that they would view with indifference the appointment to office of men who could only retain it by not merely stopping short in the way of improvement, but by undermining many of the reforms which have been effected ? Do the Tory leaders believe the people would not soon be roused out of their indifference ? But all the Destructives do not share this belief ; for they have not hesitated to declare once and again that their reason for wishing the return of the Tories to power is that it would lead to revolution. There is just now one little speck rising on the political horizon of Scot land, the import of which must be perfectly well understood by the Tory members of that country. We allude to a case, by this time decided in the Court of Session, which at one blow annihilates all the advantages of which the people of Scot land were put in possession by the General Assembly of the Church regarding the exercise of the right of patronage. It will be seen by an extract from the Scotsman in another column, that on this day week the judges began delivering their opinions in the Anchterarder case ; that during that and the three succeeding days eight judges have spoken ; that five have yet to deliver their opinions ; that of the eight who have spoken, seven have pronounced against the assumed power of the General Assembly; and that of the five others, two only are expected to coincide with the views of the Assembly. But, as the Scotsman observes, " the case is in effect decided, a majority of the whole judges having already spoken, or rather read long judicial pamphlets against the assumed power of the Church. By these opinions the Church has been completely divested of every shadow of independent power, and held up to the world as the mere creature and abject slave of the State." Among the results foretold by the Scots man, one is, " that the decision will be a source of great annoyance to the Tory Members of Parliament for Scot land, who, witti a very few exceptions, will be found deter mined opponents of the abolition of patronage, while many of their supporters among the lower classes of the constituency will be as strongly in favour of its abolition." Such being the prospects of the Duke of Wellington and Sir Robert Peel, we entertain no great apprehension of the display of any excessive ardour on their part on this occasion. As for tho Reformers, we know that the motion of Sir William Moles worth will meet with no countenance from them. Sir Wil liam Molesworth and Mr. Leader will derive this benefit from the attempt, that it will afford them a splendid opportunity of ascertaining their own insignificance, which has long been a secret only to themselves.—Moraing Chronicle. The Whig Government having appointed to the office of Cashier and Receiver-General of the Post-office of Scotian. the Hon. Mr. Primrose, a gentleman who is eon to a Whi• Earl, brother to a Whig Lor d" of the Admiralty, and about t' be allied with the Whig Postmaster-General, a notice has, fo , some weeks past, exhibited itself in the Order-book of th House of Commons on each day whereupon supply could h discussed, of a resolution to be moved by Mr. flume, that thi appointment of Mr. Primrose is contrary to regulation, inju rious to the public service, and prejudicial (so the Hon. Mein ber, with his wonted copiu verborum. has expressed it) to tin, established officers of the establishment. Sometimes tit Government have shut out the subject by making Iris: - Poor Law supersede supply ; sometimes the Member f. Kilkenny has himself postponed his motion. But la '. night, when supply was not only announced, but actual!' brought on, there were some respectable inexperienced Me. - biers of Parliament who really believed the motion woul be made, and were vigilant in their places to help defeating the Scotch job. They might have saved thernselv the trouble. For our own part we were quite sure, when w - found Sir William Molesworth's motives keep i;s place for t night—a motion shaking the O'Connell Ministry to its base e = . that the O'Connell nominee for Kilkenny would not, and could not, and must not, embarrass the Government by a pre-' vious division on an awkward subject like die Primrose ques. 1 tien. To have been beaten on Monday would li:;ve been ' very uncomfortable preparation for Tuesday. So Mr. Hunt discovered last night that he had not yet all the necessary do currents for the due development of his motion ; and his m e tion was again postponed. But the Speaker did not leave t h e chair to snake room for the Committee of Supply without a li tle admonition to the House ft orn Lord John Russell, whi t every friend of the Constitution must have admired especial ' with reference to the quince from which it came. He seiverte to the vote of Tuesday lest, in which the economy of Government' was defeated by a liberal demonstration of the House in fa vour of the Marines; and he warned Hon. Nlembere, that those who thus interfered with the Crown in the patronage of the army were leading to a material change in etts Constitu. tien of the country. Nor was this, in his opinion, without a eousiderahle practical illCOlllil nience to the Government for the time being, since the kindly disposition which sometimes induced the House, on the statement of a case of hardship, to recommend it for the liberality of the Crown, was too often found to fail when the taxes were to lie voted for making the recommendation effective. Mr. Goulburn did justice to the constitutional principle, on the strength of which he himself had supported' the Government in the division respecting the Marines ; but he wished to know, and a very natural wish, 'no doubt, it was, how the Government could expect that such a principle was to he maintained when they suffered a gentleman actually holding office under, them to oppose their policy by his vote. We un derstood this in reference to the Right lion. Captain Byng, the Controller of the Household, who, beim: Member for Chatlinm, found it dou'alsss convenient to support the cause of the ,Marines. To this Lord John, admitticer shot the Go vernmeet ought regularly to enforce allegerece from their own officials, attempted to s..t up the special excuse that Captain B v ng had some sort of engagement to his constituents ; and that be himself, the leader of the. Administration, had had no previous communication with the Right lion. Gentleman, or should certainly have not have sanctioned his vote against the Goverement. And there the conversation ended. But what do we learn from it ? Teat Ministers act is a Government, bringing down their forces bona fide to bear upon their os tensible oh ne s? or that every man is his own captain, acting ctely on his'own of ders ? But Captain Byng had had no previous communication with the leader. What! is the leader, in addi tion to all liis other duties, to canvass all the young gentlemen of the party each morning on ,every vote in the estimates, in order to know which of his partisans he may venture to rely upon. Apply Lord J. Russell's admissions and Lord .1. Russell's excuses to the Ballot question. There was no lack of communication on that matter between the ...Minister); and their usual adherents ; the question was given out as a signally important one—nay, it was the main qum ! Mini;-block between the Whigs and their brethren, the R,dl - Yet, of the official retainers of the Whig Government not w.ly were there some, and those nut a few, who absented themseives from the Whig division in that hour of need, there also were some who openly and contumaciously arrayed themselves in the ranks against their masters. Is Lord John, then, prepared to act up to his rule, even qualified and frit- I treed as it was in his speech of last right ? We wait to learn w hether Sir Ihrsey Vivian has vacated t h e Ordnance', or Mr. I IL Steuart been released from the Treasury.— Times. ELECTION COMMITTEES• (Continued fr. - An cur First Edition of yesterde.y.) CITY OF LONDON. When Mr. O'Brien was under examination. Mr. HaartisoN submitted to tht Committee, that his Learned Friends were going directly against the resolution of the Com mittee of Saturday—they had as yet given no e%idence at all implicating the Sitting Members. If such a system of prov ing agency nere allowed to go on, the enquiry would last for months. He had never seen such a course allowed to be taken. The Committee-m . om was cleared—after the Counsel and Agents were called in. The CHAIRMAN inquired if the petitioners' counsel had not been thrown out of their course by the absence of import ant witnesles. If such was the case, they would give them a ic:tle more latitud. Mr. o!dit)g , a par e tner in the firm of Rogers, Towgo od, and Co., was then called. He said he had no accounts opened for the four candidates.. He had an account of Mr. Travart , , and one Crew Travers and Son • but they were private ac counts. The point was disputed, and the Committee-room having again been .cased, the Committee came to the resolu tion that the boo cou4i4ing the accounts of Messrs. Travers and Son, or Mr. Travers, Own the Ist June to the 31st August, be produced. At tine same time they hoped the Counsel would confine their enquiry to klwolutcly necessary entries.—Adjourned. TAUNTON. Wm, Shadrack Cockram was objected to by the petitioner, on the g round that there had been an interruption of ocCupa tion by bankruptcy. The Committee, after hearing the evidence, decided the vote to he a good one. Mr. Sheubrook was objected to by the petitioner, on the ground that his name had been struck off the list by the Re vising Barrister, but that from having been twice on the list it had been accidentally retained, Mr. COCKBURN submitted that as the objection to the voter's name being twice on the list had rot been taken before the Revising Barrister, it could not to entertained by the Committee. The Committee decided the vote to be bad. This placed the petitioner in a majority of on o. Mr. COCKBURN applied for the protection of the Committee on the part of a witness, twelve years of age, an attempt naving been made to intimidate her from giving evidence. The CIAIIIMAK said the Committee would give any charge that came before them their best attention. They trusted this caution would be sufficient, and recommended the Learned Counsel for the petitioner to speak to their friends not to render an allegation of that kind liable to be proved. Mr. lattstaN was objected to by the sitting Member, on the ground that he heal. left Taunton, and gone to reside at Bridgewater. The case had not been decided when the Committee ad journed. NEWCASTLE-UNDER-LYME. Three or four witnesses were examined, whose evidence went to prove that they had been offered 21. each by Joseph Bailley and Mr. Mason, to vote for Miller and De Horsey. That Mr. Mason acted as Mr. Miller's agent, and that the latter always lodged at Mason's house. A witness named Sampson Bailley proved that he had re ceived 100 sovereitos in a bag from Joseph Beilley, and a book containing a list of names of persons to whom the money was to he paid. Counsel for the sitting Member ebjected to any evidence being given of the contents of that book, no notice being served upon them to produce it. The Committee overruled the objection. The witness in answer to further questions stated that he could not recollect the names of the parties to whom ho had paid the money. He paid a sovereign to some and half a sove reign to others. They were all voters, and had afterwards voted for Nuller and one of the other candidates. The mousy was given to him at a public house. The custom at Newcastle was to give a dinner to the elec tors after the election, anti in case no dinner is given the vo ters get a gratuity of a sovereign or a half sovereign each. I believe it was for that purpose the money was given to me to distribute. It has been the custom to give the money to the poor voters from a belief that it would do them more good than a dinner. Some persons who did not vote for Miller I received a portion of the money. Some of them were ten-pound householders, but the majority of them were freemen. It being now a quarter past three o',:lock, Mr. Coppock. the agent for the petitioner, applied to the Committee fur leave to adjourn till to-morrow morning, in order to consult with Counsel, whether he should close his case there or pro ceed to call further witnesses in corroboration of the evidence already before the Committee. - The room was cleared, and on the re-admission of counsel, the Chairman stated that the Committee were unanimously of opinion that they should assent to the application. 'rho Committee then adjourned. BELFAST. Mr. AUSTIN replied. The qualification, he contended, was not only sufficient, but it was such a qualification as rarely came before a Committee. Mr. Dunbar had sufficient pro perty to qualify twice over.—The Lesrncd Gentleman did not conclude his argument until half-past three. The Committee, after consulting together for a few mi nutes, announced, through the Chairman, that " they ware unanimously of opinion that Mr. Dunbar'd qualification was sufficient." There was a r faint cheer amongst some of Mr. Dunbar's friends on the announcement of the decision, but it was imme diately suppressed. The Committee adjourned immediately after till to-morrow morning. YOUGHAL. James Boles Johnson, freeman, was next objected to on the ground that his residence was more than seven statute miles distant frcm the borough. Two surveyors proved, in support of the objection, that the voter's house was seven miles, one furlong, and 201 perches distant from the Town hall by the nearest road. Mr. THESSIGER said that the question which arose here was one of considerable importance—namely, whether the distance was to be taken by the nearest road of access, or by a mathematical line (in common parlance, as the crow flies), from the borough to the freeman's house. The Revis ing Barristers ware divided upon this question, so that one set of them were called highwaymen, and the other crowmen. But a learned judge, (Barton Foster,) had decided in 1632, that the distance was to be taken by tho mathematical line, as that wa4 the favourable construction of the Act, which was intended to extend and not to restrict the franchise. Mr. ANDaEWS, in reply, cited decisions of Lord Ellenbo rough and others in analogous cases, and contended that as the Reform Bill expressly required the freeman to reside within seven statute miles of the borough, and statute miles were ascer tainable only upon measured roads. The Committee unanimously decided in favour of the ma thematical line, and overruled the objections. The same Toter was again objected to on another ground, namely that he was disqualified to vote, by being in the ser vice of the Post-offico. It appeared that the voter who had been sub-depute post master of Killeagh, a short distance from the borough of Youghal, resigned his situation twelve days before the elec tion, in order to qualify himself to vote. But the Act requires that a situation in the post-office, held within twelve months of the election, disqualifies the voter, and the vote was ac cordingly struck off, placing the sitting Member again in a majority of one. 1 Le petitioner's Counsel then objected to the vote of John Walsh, upon the sitting Member's poll, on the ground of non payment of rates. A discussion arose as to the legality of the rates, which was postponed till to-morrow, and tho Commit- tee adjourned. THE BARON DE BODES CLAIMS. TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. Sin,—You have published, under the bead of " Parlia mentary Proceeding:," in your Journal of the 23d inst., as if spoken by her Majesty's Chancellor of the Exchequer iu this House of Commons, gross aspersions upon my character. without reference to whether such language was, or was nut, really used by that Right Honourable Gentleman, take this opportunity of pronouncing that the whole of such aspersions are gross fabrications, and scandalous falsehoods, as will shortly he made manifest by the proceedings lam taking. But, in the meantime, I thus publicly call upon, and defy, any man to show, that I ever obtained one shilling front him under any false pretence whatever ;.or in any other way than first clearly representing to the individual about to assist me with money, that his repayment must depend on my success, in regard to my most just claims on the British Treasury ; and I have in consequence been compelled by the parties so advancing money to me for my necessary support, and the prosecutio n of my claims, to enter into securities, in some cases to the amount of six times the sum so advanced to me, and in others to vubmit to still more exorbitant terms. 1 presume you can have no objection to give publicity to this letter ;—to a cruelly isijured individual justice requires it ; and I therefore trust you will give it a conspicuous place in your publication of to-morrow. I have the honour to remain, Sir, Your cost obedient Servant, 22, Lambeth Road, Southwark, DE BODE. Feb. 26, 1838. At the childrens'imii at the 'Ftlitcries on Saturday night an august personage asked a pretty lively girl, who happened not to be dan c i ng , if s h e was we ll a mused ; to which she replied, " No, Sir ; on the contrary, I am dreadfully ennuyee ; my shoe pinches me horribly !" Galignani's Mes senger. On Friday, the South Mail Coach was overturned near Dalwhinnie Inn, by an impetuous gale of wind. The guard and driver were slightly injured, but the passengers es caped unhurt. The snow lying deep on the ground, the guard proceeded with the mail-bags ou horseback. The road north of 'fain is still heavy with snow, and the east road is in a similar condition. There seems sow, however, to be a ge neral and decided thaw, and we hope we have chronicled the worst of the storm..—lnverness Courier. 1 - . THE SUN, LONDON', TUESDAY, MARCH 6, 1838. TMMIPLRIAI. PARLIATVI ENT ‘ , .vcEr.Lott took his seat on the /OUSE OF LORDS, MlincY 5. The Loan CA: WoJis.,tok at five o'clock. On the motion of Nord nt VON, ti - :c Watermen Company's lid! was read a second time, ;aid ordered to 1:Q. committed On Thursdey eext. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition from 25 of the Clergy of tie Archtleaconry of thc diocese of Chietester, perying their Lordships not to pass the 13111 ;or the eup?res sion of the bie'anpr:c of Sodor and Man. ABOLITION OF NEGRO APPRENTICESHIP. Lord - BROUGHAM pr:sented a petition from Exeter and its vicinity, signed by 7,000 male inhabitants, amongst whom were several of the clergy, the Mayor, Council, Scc., praying for the abolition of Negro Apprentice chip in the West ladies ; also a petition from the Larne place, sigurel by 6,700 fraiale inhabitants, praying to the same ef fect. 11,0 Noble attd Learned L'rd Lad been asked to state to the House, that the reason why more of our countrywomen had not petitioned their Lortithips on this subject was, that it had been thought, in many parts of the cou:itry, that as we had an amiable countrywoman new on the throne, it would be better fear them to petition her i and acciordingly, on Wednesday last, a petition had been presented to her Majesty, signed by half a million of females, praying for the abolition of Negro Apprentic,ship. The Noble and Learned Lord then preseetLd petitions for the satire object—from a Wesleyan Methodist Chapel in the county of Devon ; the Inhabitants of Rochester, Chatham, and its vicinity ; the Protestant Dissenters' Assembly in a Chapel in London street, Birmingham ; in Bewley-rails, Southampton; Ab church 14 44 4 ): House, Worcestershire ; Shirley-street, War- wiek i Cheshern, tiLicisinghat4; from Glyisinbury and its neigh howbood • Cestledownington and its vicinity*, I,ciesterehire ; King's Noktoh, Woreestershire ; Whittlelieath, Worcester shire ; the baptist Peri, in Pond-street, Birmingham ;:l Islington and its neighbourhood i 114 1 Plet lirentwood and it( . icinity ; Stanhope-street Meeting-house, Bireninerharn ; 4ndi - roe; Leicester-street Chapel, Birmingham , The Noblq and LeN.rnd Lora then moved for a copy of the cor] , 1 70 reepondeece which her). taken place with Lieutenant Ilemseyil of her Majesty's ship, the Plqcli Jobe, respecting the captus' 9f the Marinettino in 1831 and 18:32. Lord SEAFORTH moved for curtain papers relatiYo 613 amount granted for slave comvrisation, - Th e )4 4 4- 134 i ; 9f LANSDOWNE presented a petition fro Bolton-le-Moffsi in fAiitir of a National System of Educe' tier!. The Noble Merqtais said that he had also several petie' tions to present, which be would now lay on the table, princi pally from places in Wilts'niro, preying for a shortening of the duration of Negro Apprenticeohijol, CHURCH-RATES. Lord BROUGHAM seeing the Noble Viscount at the bead of her Mejesty's Government in his place, wished to ask whether it was the intention of the GovernMent to intro duce any and what measure with respect to Church-rates in the present Session ? Lord MELBOURNE said it was the intention of the Go vernment to propose a Committee on the subject, and that ,that was the only measure that it was intended to be brought forward, •: Lord BROUGHAM wished to know whether it was a Committee 'of this or the other House ? Lord MELBOURNE said it would be a Committee of the other House. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented returns with respect to the law of partnership; and also the number of 'children under six years of age, who had been confined in the Penitentiary during the last seven years. THOLIC OATHS. The Earl of FIN G AL wished to correct a statement that had been made by the Right Reverend Prelate, the other night. He had stated that he (the Earl of Fingal) had re signed the contest for Meath, in consequinee of the Catholic oath. That was not the fact ; the real cause, was the excitement that prevailed in Ireland, relative to the repeal of the Union, an excitement in which he wished to take no part. The Bishop of EXETER was happy to hear the explana tion of the Noble Lord, who, he was sure, would do him the justice to say that when ho made the statement, he said he did so not upon the beat authority. SLAVERY. Lord GENELG moved the Ist reading of the West India Slave Abolition Bill. Lord BROUGHAM stated that he would, after he had seen the proisions of the Noble Lord's Bill, feel himself at liberty to renew his motion on Colonial Slavery at the earliest possible period, on which he should take the sense of the House. The effect of his motion would be for the total re peal of Slavery, and it would be founded on the Order in Council of the 12th ofJuly, 1837. TITHES. Lord ASHBURTON moved for returns relative to the voluntary commutation of Tithes, which were ordered after a few observations from the Earl of Radnor, Lord Dacre, Lord Brougham, and Lord Wynfunl. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY laid on the table a Bill to amend and extend tie clauses of the 17th and 2lst Geo. 111., which Bills were generally knoan by the name of Gilbert's Act. 13y this amend:d Bill it was proposed to enable clergymen to borrow th te years' income upon their benefices for enabling them to build resi dences; that 30 years should be allowed for the discharge of the debt instead of 20, as heretofore; and that the distinction between non-resident and resident incumbents should be dune away with.—( Hear. hear.) The Bill was read a first time. Lord GLENELG laid on the table certain papers, but did not audibly state what they were. The Marquis of SALISBURY moved for certain Returns relative to Turnpike Trusts under certain Acts of Parliament, whlelt Lord MELI3OURNE said he could have no objection to. Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, ,}Nero 5. The SrIEAKIIa took the chair at the usual time. Lord TEIGNMOUTH, who was received with loud Clice:s from the Opposition benches, took the oaths and his seat for Marylebone. Mr. PARKER brought up certain p a p ers from the Poer-la.v Commissioners, and Mr. CRAFEtt papers from the lreaanry. Mr.• SHEPHERD brought up the report of the Com mittee on the Warminster and Fiome Road Bill. It was ordered to be engrossed. Mr. R. FERGUSON brought up the report of the Lon dor.derry Bridge Bill, which was read a first and second time. Mr. WILSON PATTEN moved for leave to brill in a Bill to extend the powers of the Grand Junction Railway.— Leave was given accordingly ? Mr. WOOD brought up the repor; of the Committee on public petitions. General O'NEILL presented petitions from Antriin and Kelly in favour of the Iri,h Poor- Law Bill. Sir R. BATE SON presented a petition froen the mei.- chants of Belfast in favour of the Railroad from Glasgow to Edinburgh. Mr. W. Roc HE presented a petition from L imerick in favour of the Medical Charities Bill for Ireland. Mr. LUCAS presented a petition from the infirmary sur geons of Ireland, rebutting certain imputations against that Lody contained in a petition presented to that House a short time since. The petition was signed by 4 7 out of 33 infirmary surgeons, and would have beers signed by the whole number if the petition had been transmitted to them. Th e y prayed that the House would establish a more extended, comprehen sive, and general system of medical education. Mr. DUCKWORTII presented a petition from Leicester, praying for an alteration in the law respecting common in former:, as regarded publicans' licenses. Mr. C. LUSHINGTON presented petitions from several places in Devonshire, praying for the immediate abolition of negro apprenticeship. Captain WIN NINGTON presented a petition from 1,800 inhabitants of Kidderminster io the some effect. Col, GORE LANGTON presented a petition from the soap manufacturors of Bath, praying for a repeal of the duty on soap. Mr. VILLIERS presented petitions from five towns in Staffordshire and Worcestershire, praying for the immediate abolition of negro apprenticeship ; also a petition from the inhabitants of Wolverhampton, praying for enquiry into Ore management of the Church proper t y of that town ; the petition was signed principally by persons of Conservative opinions, and it stated. that the inquiry would ex hibit a shameless and scandalous perverzion of the original in tention to which the property was to be applied. In many townships in which thee were thousands of inhabitants, there wa4 not a single free seat for the pour, and the Ministers barely rscei.ed enoogh to support them. In one parish, in which there were 3,500 inhabitants, the Minister received only 100/. per annum, although the revenues of the parish were error • ' mows. Another fact was, that in 1811, the Dean of Windsor, who wes also Dean of Wolverhampton, obtained an Act of Parliament, and let the mines, which were the property of the Church, only one-fourth of which were applied to Church pur pTohs,e.s,pettiltrieoncr.ersm;iruiclveerd b t e b i a n t g p p no r r u o t u p r r e i a t Deanb y m t i h g e ht bpeesain): pointed until sonic better prat ision was made of the property; tire petition further prayed that the present Dean might he made to account for the produce of the mines, in order that they might be made available to the purposes of the Church. The petition was then ordered to on the table. Mr. PUSE Y presented a petition from Berkshire in favour of the Rating of Tenements Bill. Mr. EASTHOPE presented a petition from Leicester in favour of the abolition of Negro Apprenticeship. Sir CH ARLES LEMAN presented a similar petition ;tom St. Albans. Dr. LUSHINGTON presented a petition from the So ciety of Friends to the same effect. The Hon. Mullioer also presented a petition from the Tower Hamlets, praying fur an alteration of the law with regard to common informer;. Mr. FITZROY preaented a petition from a parish in Suffolk, praying for the immediate abolition of Negro Appren ticeship Mr. WARD presented a petition from the Chamber of Commerce of Sheffield, with respect to the Combination Laws. Referred to the Combination Committee. Mr. M. J. O'CO Nl.l EL L presented several petitions from parishes in the county of Kerry, praying' for the abolition of Tithes, for Municipal Reform, and the Vote by Ballot. Captain M OOD presented a petition from the licensed victuallers of London and Westminster, praying for a repeal of the special taxes on servants arid windows which pressed upon them ; agisioat an extension of time for keeping open beer-shops, and fur the non-liability for articles lost in their houses. Mr. LASCEL LES and Mr. PEASE prese4se4 peti tions against the negro apprenticeship s ystem. Mr. HALL presented a petition from the carpent e r s o f Marylebone, praying for a remission of the sentence on tht: Gasgow spinners. A's one much affecting their constitution trom the certain inhabitants of Great Britain and Ire lAnd, in favour of the Hvgean system of medicine. The reason why the petition had been put into his bands he supposed was, that theigentleman at the head of that establish ment was cne of his constituents, hut he regretted it had not been put into the hands of sonic other Member who could s.,eak with greater efficacy as to the power of medicine. Mr. Sergeant JACKSON . presented several petitions Against the present system of national education in Ireland, and praying the house to extend the benefit of religious edu cation I.) Protestants. Mr. GIL LON presented a petition from the Central Board of Dissenters in Scotland, signed by the Chairman and Secretary, takivg notice of an Act introduced by the Chancellor of the Exche quer for endowing 40 schools in Scotland. They acknowledgedthe a:lvantages of education. They objected t.) the mode of ap pointing the schoolmasters, because the election was placed in the bans of the Ministers, Kirk Session, end heritors, who were not the person; interested : they objected to the secta rian character of the measure, which excluded ail who did not sign the Confession of Faith : ai,el they further objected to the election of the sAmolmaster for lik, as it left no induce ment for exertion in the discharge of their duties. POST-HORSE DUTIES. Mr. GIL LON presented two petitions from post-masters, mail_coach Lroprietors and others, for the repeal of the post horse duty. He moved that the petitions be printed, and gave notice that he would call the attention of the House to them on the lath of March. THE COAL MONOPOLY. Mr. HAWES presented a petition from the coffee and eating-house keepers of the metropolis, complaining of the coal monopoly, by which they were great sufferers, and pray- Mg to be heard by their agents and witnesses, before the Committee upon the Coal Trade. The Hon. Member moved that the petition be printed, but we did nut understand him to press the motion. FEES IN CHANCERY. Mr. HAYTER moved for certain returns relating to the fees exacted in the Court o: Chancery. LONDON MISSIONARY SOCIETY. Mr. ORDE presented a petition from the London 'Mis sionary Society, praying for the withdrawal of the Government sanction of Hiudoo idolatry in India. FIRE INSURANCES. _ Colonel SIBTHoRI 3 presented a petition from Hertford against the Firo Insurance Duty, and the Gallant Colonel stated that he would, for the convenience of the House, post pone the motion on that subject, which stood for to-morrow, if the two Hon. Members who had notices on the books be fore the Hon. Baronet, the Member for Leeds (Sir W. Moles worth) would give way. CRIMINAL OFFENDERS. On the motion of Mr. F. MAULE, certain return; were ordered of the criminal offenders who had been committed for trial at every sessions and assizes during the year 1837. NEGRO EMANCIPATION. Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from the Pro testant Dissenters of Cheshann, and other places, for the immediate emancipation of the negroes in our colonies ; also a petition from the parish of Rosbacon, in the county of Kilkeuny, against the Salmon Fisheries' Bill ; and a petition from a parish in the county of Clare, praying for the total abolition of tithes. Mr. HODGSON presented a petition from Barnstaple, praying for a reduetion in the present exorbitant rates of postage. Mr. lIODGES presented petitions from several parishes in Kent, praying for alterations in the new Poor-law Bill. Sir F. FRENCH postponed the motion of which he had given notice, relative to the better ventilation and lighting of the [louses of Parliament. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER presented a petition from Limerick, against the Salmon Fisheries Bill, and praying fur an Amendment of the Laws for the regulation of Salmon Fisheries. Mr. HUME, in consequence of the return for which he moved not yet being on the table, postponed his motion relative to the appointment of the Honourable Mr. Primrose, to the office of Receiver - General of the Post-office, till Friday, by which time he trusted the return woad be prepared. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was sorry the returns had been delayed, but he would take care they should be ready by Friday. Mr. F. MA ULE presented a petition from Dunraven pray ing for the total abolition of Tithes. FRAUDS ON THE EXCISE. Mr. CAYLEY seeing the Chancellor of the Exchequer in his place, wished to ask him if any report had been made by Dr. Birkbeck with respect to the instrument invented by Cap tain Davidson for prevention of fraud on the Excise. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he had referred to three scientific persons, of whom Dr. Birkbeck was one, but had not yet received their report ; as soon as he had, the Hon. Member should be informed of it. Mr. HUME presented a petition from a parish in Perth, praying for the abolition of the Corn Laws. NEWSPAPER STAMPS. Mr. DIVETT seeing the Chancellor of the Exchequer in his place, wished to call his attention to the very it regular manner in which the issue of Newspaper Stamps was now or dered. lie wished to ask whether there could be any objec tion to regular half-yearly returns? la his opinion it would be much more regular and satisfactory. Th e CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he could see no difficulty in the proposition, nor could he see the slightest objection to it. The present mode of One Gen tleman moving for returns in January and another in April was very inconvenient. QUEEN'S COUNTY ELECTION. Mr. LOCH, the Chairman of the above Committee, ao peared at the 13ar, and reported that John Fitzpatrick, Esq., had been duly elected to serve in Parliament, and that the petition against such return was neither frivolous n.-,r vexatious. Mr. p S Y gave notice that on Thursday neat he should move that the proceedings before that Committee be laid on the Table. FIRE INSURANCES. Colonel SIBTUORP wished to aik the Chancellor of th• Exchequer if he would ensure hilm an opportunity to bring on his motion relative to the duty on fire insurances, the first thing in a Committee of supply to-morrow? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIEQUER said there was no necessity tor him to make any concession to the Hon. and Gallant Member on the subject, 3ceause he would have a perfect right to bring it on if he thought fit, by moving it as an amendment to the Order of the Day for going into a Com mittee of Supply.. CORN LAWS. Col. SEALE postponed to the 20th of March the motion of which he had given notic.! for to-morrow niht respecting manufactuced corn. We understood him to Ray that he thought the postponement necessary, as tile House would ba occupied the whole of to-morrow with the motion of the Hon. Baronet the Member for Leeds. UNIVERSAL PENNY POSTAGE. Lord SAN DON presented a petition front the Corporation of Liverpool, in favour of Mr. R. Hill's plan for a universal penny postage. The Noble Lord concurred with the peti tioners that a reduction of the postage was desirable, but he could not go the whole length as to the adoption of Mr. Hill's Ilan. PROMOTION OF MARINE OFFICERS. Lord J. RUSSELL appeared at the Bar, and, on being asked by the Speaker, " What have you there?" said, " An answer to the Address of this House to her Majesty, voted on the 27th day of F e bruary last, and presented to her Mas jesty on the 2Sth—her Majesty will take into her consi deration the best means of affording promotion to the officers of Marines, consistently with a due regard to economy, and the just claims of the other branches of her Majesty's service. The Noble Lord then said,—ln moving the Order of the Day, I think it my duty to state to the House the course which her Majesty's Ministers propose to take as to the Ad dress to which her Majesty's answer has just been read. On the 27th of February an Address was agreed to by a majority of 14 on the subject of prom o ti on i n the Royal Marines. That Address was sent to the Department to which it re ferred, and, on the recommendation of that department Ministers thought it their duty to take the whole subject into their consideration. The Address was not a solitary one, for a similar Address respecting promotion of officers in the army was carried towards the end of last year, certainly in a very thin House—the thinnest that could entertain any question— the majority being 21 to 19. But there were also several notices of motions upon the same subject in the last Session, which pressed the matter upon the attention of the Govern ment in such a manner as that they feel it necessary to bring it before the consideration of the House.—( Hear, hear.) It is according to the usual practice of the Constitution that reward and promotion should proceed from the Crown, and I that the check and controul of the public expenditure should proc eed from the (louse of Commons.—( Hear, hear.) That pro ceed is the ancient practice of the Constitution seems no lesa conformable to reason, and to the just balance of the powers of the Constitution, than it is conformable to the ancient and in. va riable custom. —( Hear , hear.) The officers serving her Majesty, whether in the military or naval service, or any other, have a right to look to the Crown for reward or protection. _(Hear, hear.) There can be no more grateful duty for the Sovereign than to distribute these rewards and pru motiseis which meritorious conduct or long service may - seem to require.—( Hear, hear.) On the other hand, if there i s an y excess in the expenditure, the people of the country h ave a right to call upon the representatives in the House of Commons to check and controul that expenditure, and re strain any prodigality. But if such motions as these were to succeed one after another, it is obvious that this salu• tary rule would cease to operate—the Officers of the Nayy or Army would go to the Admiralty or to the Horse Guards, and represent their claims, as a class, or perhaps their individual claims, and being refused they would expect to re ceive frcm the House of Commons those honours and that promotion . which they had failed to obtain from the Executive department of ti-.e State. I feel that it is my duty to call the att ention of the House to this circumstance, because if such precedente are set on occasions on which general attention is not directed to the subject, owing to the fact of there being either a thin House, or the attention of the House being en °Tossed by some other subject, a very great and mischievous change would take place in the Constitution of the country— namely, that the Crown would be invested with the power of curbing, checking, or denying, and the House of Commons with that of granting rewards and promotion.—( Hear, hear,) Coesidering the subject, therefore, in this point of view, her m e iesty's Ministers have thought p roper t o adviie her Majesty, that no answer abould he returned to this Address, expressing the willingness of the Crown to comply with the wishes of the House of Commons, but at the same time recommending that a Commission or a Committee should be appointed, composed of persons ilis tiivuished by their rank, both in the naval and military se rvrcs, Frihined with a certain n um b er o f c i v ilians, to eons der tb.e %1 4 .01 p crstipn aq !laded promotion, and the present system of rewards conferred for naval and military services. With respect to this latter part of the subject, 1 would wish to call the attention of the House to another cir cumstance which occurred in the debate that took place the other night with respect to the promotion of the matines. My Hon. Frtend who sits near roe, the Secretary of the Board of Ad miralty, said, that in deference to the wish of the House of Commons, as expressed last year, the Board of Admiralty had taken the subject into consideration, with a view to further pro motions amongst the Marines, but with a% iew to public economy. One gentleman certainly who formed the majority, said the wishes of the House of Commons had been mistaken ; that the intention of the House was that economy should not be consulted in carrying into effect their wishes. Their wishes were that promotion should be granted to officers of marines, and that ma this subject it was not necessary to look to no principle of economy in the service. It b•:hovcs us to consi d, r, and before long the House will have to consider on what principle these puldie services are to he car, ied on. For many years past, since the year 1825, these services have In en carried on i,y the several department, of the Executive Govtrnincot with a careful view to economy in the public ex pealiture. In 1821, the lion. Member for Kilkenny moved an Address to the Crown, expressing, among several other thing:, that economy should be carried out to the greatest ex tent in the military and naval departments of the coun try.—( Hear, hear, hear.) An amendment was moved by another Hon. Member ( Mr. Banks, we understood). Lord Londonderry declared that the sense of the motion and amendment was the same, but he preferred the ameAmcnt, as he thought the motion implied censure ; but in the general circumstances he fully concurred with the Address. At the end of that Address it was stated—" And further, that his Majesty will be graciously pleased to direct that every possible saving that can be made without detriment to the public inte rest may be effected in those establishments which the country is bound to maintain for the safety of the United Kingdom ; more especially in the military expenditure, and by a constant and vigilant controul and superintendence over that and all the other departments connected with the administration of the ample supplies voted by this House." Sir, I conceive that every Government since then has been bound by the terms and spirit of that Address. The Government of that time carried economy to a great extent ; that of the Duke of Wellington pursued it, and that of Earl Grey car ried out the principles of retrenchment, and a reduction of the public expenditure. If economy and retrenchment were not to be their guiding principles, it could be no definition of 0 . - se power of the Crown, but that extension of liberality should proceed from the Crown, and be made to the Hbuse by the recommendation of the Crown.—( Hear, hear.) If the house was prepared to say that a more Tule should be adopted—that meritorious officers should receive more ample rewards than hitherto, the whole of tho subject should he loaked into; a comparison of the amice3 made by com petent persons, and the result laid before the House. Then the House of Commons would have before it, first, the question of what increased allowance should be made to these 'officers in the naval and military service, and then the question which should never be lost sight of, that the House would re- quire to provide for that increased expentlitare.—( Hear.) When the question was one of reward to a particular service, the House was all generosity ; but when the question was considered as regarded the taxes, the disposition of the House was to deprive the Crown of those means by !which alone such increased rewards could be given.—( Hear.) He had thought it necessary to state so much to the House, because he thought the Government would not do its duty if they allowed one motion after another to be carried applying to one particular service, and not call the atten tion of the House to the whole subject. The way they proposed to do so, was to appoint gentlemen who had been known to the country from their high character and great talents in the service of their country in both services, with whom should be joined some civilians—thatthey should take the whole subject under their consideration—that they should report to the House; that if necessary there should be a recommendation to the House, and that then the House should decide upon the whole subject in a general manner ; and that they should not give rewards from a liberality or a laxity of principle, which would make a most important and pernicious change in the Con stitution of the country—one which would naturally shake the officers look for nothing but delays and hardships f'rom the Crown, and, on the other hand, expect generosity from the House of Commons.—( Hear, boar.) He trusted the course taken by the Government would bring the whole system before the House in a fair and impartial manner.--( Cheers.) Mr. GO UL BURN did not rise for the purpose of entering into any lengthened discussion on the topics adverted to by the Noble Lord ; but as he was ono of those who approved of the course which the Noble Lord pursued, and gave evidence of his profession by voting with him, he was anxious not to lose that opportunity of expressing his concurrence in the principles which had' been laid down by the Noble Lord— ( Hear, hear, hear)—and of lending his humble authority to impress on the House the importance of not interfering by votes of that description with the discretion of a Government in the promotion and emoluments of the different branches of the public service.--( Hear, hear.) He held that as above all the paramount duty of the Government, and he held also it was equally the paramount duty of the Government to exer cise the influence they possessed within the walls of the House, to carry into effect the principles the Noble Lord pro lesees.—( Cheers.) The Noble Lord must also give him leave to say, that if the Government, in the discussions that tools place there on questions of that nature, .professed or evinced to the public symptoms of vacillation and uncertainty with respect to the course to be pursued—( lear, hear, hear from the Opposition Benches)—it was in vain for the Noble Lord to call upon Bon. Gentlemen either on one side of the House or another to support the principles he advocated.— (Cheers. ) When Gentlemen mei in that Ilouse individuals closely connected with the Government voting in a minority against the Government on questions of this nature, the No. ble Lord might look in vain fo: that support which he (Mr. Goulburn) and others on his sAe of the House would be al.. ways ready to afford it on questions of this nature, beoanse in stances of the kind that occurred on a precedios evening did more to curium his arguments and yowee than all the oppo sition he might meet with iti a fate way.—( Loud cheers.) Gentlemen on that (the Tory) side of the House, who had opposed what he (Mr. G.) considered the right view of the question, were taunted by the other side, because they were supposed to have Marine constituencies which might have influenced them upon the question. Many of them repelled the imputation. But if there was one Hon. Member more likely to be influenced by such a consideraticie than another, it was the Right Honourable Gentleman, who, in the Go vernment himself, voted againet the Government upon this question.—( Hear.) Llo (Mr. G.) had no wish to pursue this question further. It was only for the general interests of the public service that he told the Noble Lord op posite that on questions materially effecting the public wete fare, if the influence of the Government is not eau - eyed to promote the view they think to be right, they may in vain appeill either to majorities or minorities--their practice on the one side would outweigh their efforts on the other. Lord J. RUSSELL—The Right Hon. Gentleman having referred to the vote of a gentleman connected with the Go vernment, I hope the House will allow me in one or two words to explaic that circumstance. Undoubtedly if that gentleman had spoken to me previously to the debate, I must have told him my opinion that it was impossible for him, holding the situa tion which he did, under the Government, to act contrary to the course of the Government upon this point. But I knew nothing of the vote until after the division, when he informed me, that 'he had considered himself bound in honour to that particular course of conduct, from something which had passed between him and the officers of Marines upon a former occasion. Now, it always appears to me, that upon difficult ques tions with regard to the individual votes of Members of the Government, the better course is to enforce, as far a s possible, the authority of the Government ; but that whore a gentleman considered himself bound to a curtain vote, from any kind of engagement, not to exercise great strictness to wards him on the subject.—( blear, hear. ) I may mention that though the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Peel) Toted on this occasion for the defence of the prerogative, some seventy or eighty of his adherents voted the other way. —( Hear, hear. ) Mr. H UME said that after the speech of the Noble Lord, he felt - called upon to offer some explanation, which ha would give very shortly. He felt the more particularly called on to explain, after the reference which had hem made to the motion on the same subject in 1828. If the Noble Lord would look to his (Mr. [l.'s) speech in 1822-4 . Laughter on the Tory side)—lie would see that, on that occasion, he (Mr. 1 - 1.) brought for ward the treatment of the Royal Marines as con trasted with the Army ; and he showed that great partiality existed on the part of the Government at that time with respect to certain branches of the public service—that sonic corps were particularly favoured, whilst others, who did more service, were neglected; and that the Marines especially, whose services were of the very greatest importance, were passed by. He thought that unjust, and he brought the matter before the House in order that the matter might be corrected.—( Hear.) On more than one occa sion since, he had • brought before the notice of the House the very rapid promotion of some without service, and the emoluments which particular regiments enjoyed, quite disproportionud to their utility. Ile did not think that in doing so, or in the vote which he gave the other night he wes in any degree infringing on the Royal prerogative, and the NoVe Lord rs who brought forward the motion the other night, would hear testimony that he had recommended him to withdrew the l a t ter part of ie resolution. ywere sat l i l s e ne h a e , ld by th l a v t ei Lt g seas oun well-grounded statements, duty t r e if e t ' s , that H i use njustioe had been done towards a large body of her Ma jesty's subjects, to take steps to redress the grievance. In saying thie, however, he did not think that the House should dictate as to the extent to which these promotions s hould be carried. lie admitted with the Noble Lord that the power which the House undoubtedly possessed in such cases should be judiciously exercised, oe it would be au abuse. His desire was that partiality should not be shown towards one c l a ss of her Majesty's subjects, and injustice towards another. He did not like a system which conferred large promotion and little pay upon those who did little service, while it refused a uleritorious and deserving body of men the just rewards to which they were entitled. Capt. WOOD was desirous of swing the reason why he had not voted upon this question the other night. He had risen several times ill the course of the debate, but unfortet• nattily was not able to catch the Speaker's eye, to state that the Secretary of the Admiralty had in big opinion fully mado out his case, The reaeoo 004 he die net give hie vote, how. ever, In feecorr qt the amendment of the Chancellor of the Eectiorpter wes, that be did not think it was a constitutional mode of dealing with the question.--( Hear. ) Messengers from the Lords brought up certain aocuwents, which were laid on the table, Sir E. CODRINGTON wished to express his full appro bation of the plan propos e d by t h e N o bl e Lord, and his regret was that the subject had been delayed sq 1 . 13 0. frequently alluded to the condition of the we,S.Z ' 1 0° 1 % 4 . 46 officers, and rod Fed inst4nel'of §.*qer§ t ho Wad less than half the servitude more than double the remuneration given to most distinguished (.:fficers. 110 had called tho attention of Government to this subject year after year, and all he complained of was, that it bad heed without effect.. Before he sat down, he would take the liberty of correcting amisFepresentation that had been made of what he had said a "few nights since, in the Spectator newspaper, with reference to " head money." That paper had put these words into his mouth 7" How dared the Noble Lord utter such a falsehood." He had never said ore word of the sort..-._( Flear. fie believed no such words were imputed to him in any other newspaper, and it was rather gratuitous in n pAptr which had an opportunity of seeing all the others to publish so gross a misrepresentation. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would not, have risen, had it not been fur the statement made by the Hon. and Gallant Officer opposite. He appealed to the Right Hoe. Gentleman the Member for Cambridge University,whether it was possible for any individual to place the issue of the vote more distinctly upon all interference with the prerogative of the Crown than he (the Chancellor of the Excheque,) had done. He had stated on that occasion that it would establish a most fatal precedent of a direct interference with the prerogative or the Crown in Military and Naval affairs. He had asked Vito House, would they not ascertain first what had been done. be for:, they proceeded to vote upon the question; and it was in that sense only that he had moved his amendmen•,:. Tho whole of the arguments of the Right Hon. (ientleman opposite also were founded on the principle of rot undue in terference with the prerogative of the Crown. If they brought themselves in contact with naval and military affairs by undertaking their administration, thio time would come when the House of Commons would have to act upon tl,e de fensive respecting any improper administration of those 'Hairs. The Gallant Captain was perfectly aware, that the majority was caused by a large majority of his own friends. Captain Woon and Mr. GotimteaN severally explained and the subject dropped. APPOIfsfTMENT OF MR. SHEIL. Colotiul SIBTHORP, before the House went into Com mittee, wished to call its *attention to some of the recent ap . pointments which had ',wen made by a Government which came in on the profes . l- 4 . o na of retrenchment and economy, more especially to P:i)pointments which had been given to Members of that P.ouse. He was not about to enter into detail as to these appointments, as that would be interfering unnecessarily "v;ith the business of the House ; but when he looked to, India, to Ireland, to Canada, and, as was relevant to his motion, when he looked at the recent appoint ment of a Member of that Honourable House to a Cornmissionership of Greenwich Hospital, he thought it would be well for the Government to inform the House, if the gentlemen so appointed were likely to attend their duty. When be looked at all these things, he wished that the prerogative was not so cramped,—first by that House, and. then again by baneful advice out of it.---(llear, hear.) It was his duty to state conscientiously, that t no motive but one, that of the discharge of his duty as a Member ef that House, had induced him to notice the recent appointment of the Honourable and Learned Member for Tipperary to the Commis3ionership of Greenwich Hospital.—( Hear. ) He believed be did so in consonance with the feelings of the greater part of that profession which had every right to com plain of the neglect shown to them. He might, per haps, he told that by an Act of Parliament of the 10th of Geo. IV., chap. 25, it was expressly declared that the appoint ment of the five Commissioners, three of them paid Commissioners, should be at the pleasure of the Executive Government, and that in that very Act of Parliament there was an exception, although he know not why, that the Com missioners, and the Clerk of the Works, should not neces sarily be professional men. Or he might be told there were cases in which appointments had been made of men not in her Majesty's service.—( Hear, hear, hear.) He had no doubt that the Commissioners performed their duty with great ability and integrity ; but when he looked to the appointment of the Hon. and Learned Member for Tipperary, whose transcendent eloquence in that House he had always admired, he could not but feel that it was an act of great injustice to the officers of her Majesty's navy. There were many Admirals and Captains (the relatives of men to whom the country were eternally indebted) who were capable of doing the duty of those Commissioners although it was said, that naval officers were not men of business, and. were incompetent to manage the estates of the hospital, which he admitted were very large, he believed of the value of 3,000,0001. It was not of an individual, but of the Government that ho ..... a... (Col. S.) complained. There was the office of Clerk to the Ordnance —one, ho believed, of great im portance—which had not to this hour been filled. It seemed to be going begging about. The G overn ment it seemed, had been unable to find a Member of that House to accept it, " though indeed" (Continued the Gallant Col.) " they have not offered it to me."—( Laughter.) Probably the Noble Lord (J. Russell) would be able to afford some explanation of the affair ; "but (observed the Gallant Officer). seeing that his Lordship was in deep reflection—the Noble Lord is apparently unable just now to explain anything, for ha seems to be dreaming, I hope of his speedy resignation. — (Laughter.) The Gallant Colonel then read the following notices : " On going into Committee of Supply, to call the atten tion of this House to the Appointments on the part of her Majesty's Government in various departments ; more parti cularly, to the recent appointment to the situation of Com missioner of Greenwich Hospital. " On going into Committee of Supply, to move, That the number of Commissioners appointed in conformity to the Act 10th Geo. IV., cap. 25, intituled, ' An Act to provide for the better management of Greenwich Hospital,' be forthwith reduced to four in the government of the affairs of the said Hospital ; and that the said Commissioners shall be limited to the aforesaid number of four, and shall, together with the Clerk of the Works, and all officers of the said Hospital, be selected from persons who have or may hereafter have served in his or her Majesty's Navy. " On going into Committee of Supply, to move, To repeal Clause 7 of the Act 10th Geo. IV., cap. 25, intituled, An Act to provide for the better management of Greenwich Hes; pital,' And be it further enacted, that all officers who shall be hereafter appointed to any employment in the said Iles; pital (exeept the future Commissioners of said Hospital, and the Clerk of the \Yorks), shall be selected, as far as may bes froth persons who shall have served in his or her MajestY' S . Navy,' and to substitute the following wor d s , v i z. , that all such officers as shall be hereafter appointed to any employ ment in said Hospital, shall be selected from those persons who have already, or may hereafter have served in his or her Majesty's Ntteq.' " Lord JOHN RUSSELL stated that the Noble and Gal lant Member should move his resolution as an amendment upon the House going into a Committee of Supply on the Navy Estimates. He would therefore move that the Order of the Day be now read for the Howe going into a Com mitters of Supply. The Order of the Day having been read, Colonel SIBTHORP rose to propose his resolution, when Tt o CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER suggested that the proper time for the Gallant Officer to propose his resolution was on the Speaker leaving the Chair on the question of the Navy Estimates being referred to a Committee. The words having been thus formally put by the Speaker —" That I do leave the Chair," Colonel SIBTHORP proposed his amendment relative to the appointment, &c., to Greenwich Hospital. Mr. C. WOOD said that previous to 1829 there were 22 Directors of the Hospital, of whom 17 were naval officers, but the real management was exercised by the Treasurer, Au ditor, and Secretary. With respect to the present Commis sioners, it was never intended that they should be s deeted from the navy. He did not know that there was any particular dif ficu!ty with respect to naval men having the management of a civil department ; but if it was to be maintained that naval men mustelecessarily be appointed to situations in Greenwich Hos pital the argument would be just as good that the clerks in every public office should be selected from the navy. It was always intended that the Commissioners should be civilians. Sir EDWARD CODRINGTON supported the motion of the Hon. and Gallant Member.—( Hear, hear.) He con sidered naval officers to be peculiarly fitted for situations of this description. He did not at the same time, intend to insi nuate that the 1-lon. Member for Tipperary was unfit for the situation. Captain PEC II ELI could not on this occasion follow in the wake of the Gallant Admiral who had just sat down, nor of the Gallant Officer who had moved the amend ineut—( Hear, hear)—although at the same time he would assert his conviction that n a v a l men were fi t to fill an y situa tion, even that o f L or d High Chancellor of England,— (Laughter.) He had the a u tho r ity o f an Ill ustr i ous Indivi dual for s a yi ng th a t a n ava l man m i g h t some d ay or ot h er fill the chair o f th e Cha n c e ll or o f England.—( Great laughter.) Under th e G o v er n men t o f L or d G rey t h e Ad m i ra l ty B oar d was composed of naval men, with one si ng l e except i on . lie considered the Hon. and Gallant Memb er s h ou ld have brought fo rwar d this subject long b e f ore t h e present t i m e. Though he agreed with\he principle of the amen d men t lie was opposed to singling out this individual case .—( H ear .) Sir R. PEEL suggested that if certain situations were only tube filled by naval men, it would be better that some regu lation upon the subject should be made, and then, if that regu lation should in any instance be departed from, it would be the time for Parliament to interfere.—(Hear, hear.) He hoped his Hon. Friend would withdraw his amendment.- - ( Clear.) Colonel SIBTIIORP would withdraw his amendment , with the consciousness of having done his duty, and in the hope of bringing it forward at some future period. In reply to a question from Sir R. PEEL, Lord PALMERSTON said that the Dutch Government had some time ago issued a now tariff with respect to mer chandise imported into the island of Java. He had obtained a copy of the document, which was in some respects satisfactory , and in others net so. It did not so much relate to the nation ality of the seerchandise as of the ships importing it. A sac of defies for the future had been arranged. In reply to a further remark of the Right Hon. Gentleman , The Noble LORD stated that the papers should hereafter be laid upon the table of the House. l‘lr. FORBES begged to ask the N o ble Lord wh e ther any efforts h a d b een made to obtain payment from the Spanish Goveenment for stores supplied to it from this country ) Lord PA Is E RSTON replied tkat an arrangement was made between the British and S3panish Governments in 1835 during the tint ;Lot the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Peel) was iTIORke, that th e Spanish Government s h ou ld not be oalled upon t o pay unt il it wits able to do so. Time present had Go so mach had flee thought that the circumstances of Spai n nmeh changed for the better—( A laugh)—as to war thaM M pressing for the payment of what was due for these. stores.__( Hear, ) LORD BROUGHAM AND THE NAVY. Qaptain PECH ELL said that the press had stated much fiat was not said in that liotnio on a former evenin6 , , and left