The Sun. — London, England, 1809-04-18 00:00:00

Correariondenee as bad taken place between the •Bri-.. l searches, whicb tl*'y v at present unable to pro. - Oat Adtnival and the American Government, re j ride against. When the. provi , luns c9ntained in the 6peaing the causes which I d to the aCtiou between , Bill which he li:td broult,;ht into -- thp Huse beeLtine the Leopaed and the, Cherapealt, The,i,econd was, known, paste& they %you'd at least i e ate indus that there be laid before the House Ain - lutes cif the. ." tr;on.latMiript to rtmedy the evils ,which had been Conn Martial which had been held oft the diseilets prui - eerinesixt. • When..& was print d, Gentlemen from the British service. . • . could see how far its provisions did extend, and _. .. . , . The Earl oi.Livette.ooe•hattonly to repeat Whet i judge flow tar those provi , ionsougbt to be extended. he Ilad already observade witee . the. Noble Earl had He opp a esed - the teotiOte front .the cxxavielion, that : given notice orilleae -met-logs. • Theia! - P.77 - ITre`Were:, nothing,, tretecntild be brought, to, light,, for which toucalted for on thenaual.Perliainentary grounds of ; they were not at present competent to make a pro. inatiteting some proceeditig..opeo O a ten whet) pro- i a eristoe..e. Were such Contreittet appointed, he bc aur ed. lo the, present at tie of things lie did . lee a ' lieved it vvoeld.be the .first ever instituted on general itnegine:the Hottae would 'attapetlye, : of.lSuch a rites- • surtnise,tosect; for abuses when unconneded.with aure. Besides, it we, nee e teepal to enter into a [etre ~ Tv particular individoal,e 00 these grounds be op. .tiai discussion ef e pey rein part Of. f . t tlogoiitilin, but ' pose.d the motion, and on these grcturds-.he trusted wan till the wlfele wss..hilly before: the,Hadse. In eli Hoese would nor grant it their support, . the present statute! things, , etidewhile a negotiation . l',ord A . HANtivroN supported the motion. The 'Might be yet peßahrtg a :ire thougheauch 'alotetii` of !bete Hon. Gentkinnii Who had just aat down had ' proceeding would be• still more UtitVisV.::.and'iroxpit- 4161- .en of it impropricty and danger Cf keeping the clifnit. kili.9llutitl-therefOre give, his negative, to the Lublin mirid i ii 3 lei ment, For his part; he coblil motions; upt.ttle-treitions beint'put Upon: them, , 'F tirink-tS'e silTret-,sion of inquiry Liy ally rne.ins they were negatived aeccintiugly.,.. , , ••..:i - ' ~,-•••..i ti,,l ealcnieteth teetillay that ferment, but on the contrary I.ord Sy.t..E.ll(F. i leo gitvenot t ice, Ailet he should, hat 'Ware lef dinnien, thut nothing could'be more likely otAideyttext, submit, e.metioe to the House, re- ' to , heiglitepoir. , -,' ,' v .. eakaOltigl i llei titiiu of our present political and corn- -Lord ii'pettstroeteseid, what had fallen from the ' Poltrici:.4. • els ,eoh . Attu:l'l4a Anti , : moved :; that i Lst apeaker, renderedit Mittecessary"for•Lim to tee ;(41. , .. 'OA* . 4rifee'sommerted teattencl on 1 !lava:lay. 1 ply.to twine penal of . theatiptech of the,Right ~Hon. ttitee teelf ) :: 1 41:;440iolt oed. , • .. a- - I Geetientan opposite. One of the. groande on ivhich. ;. ;, `." , ,„.4 ;7 Lee., %.e be t 1if,)14,73,... 0 E ‘," OIVMOIV S. , • a .Ii iii v, ;:ich Le thi,,Tgilt kttilictellOy ptliyiiiatifigainSt , gr, , ---i t' ' :.• , •; 1- . '•ltittitgni,' ', •At OIL 11., • cvery abuse, that; iiiidit exist. Iggagente as the. ' aa**;' . ."Suithatit Moved the second reading ef the fl'iuse ‘ 4-. . 6 (-)I thc! .13oVI,Sii).0, C 1 ) 1 44 4 1000 thrit Stunt! Aridge 'Bill, at iiich was reed a'cconlinely, arid Fell, he thought it a stratige hied. Of argument, -ordered to be committed. . T e ..a 'it , ; aeein a ; . the pct sent motion., Ind -could ~ not feel - Sirefittettry MONTGOMERY brought in a:till 1,, r lintis-.IC satisfied with it. , ....1h0., ; Right', lionottra... 9 0 t in g a ty en* e le ( l o d es reepe ei ng , Freehold p oi. ble . c.;l 4 ntlet•oete wry. of Opialiam . they, would 'find, seesi f ea t eeceperaens proleasing the. itent.l/1 CAi . h6jje I 110 . IlelV COO, slot . 11$ Wt!pld asl: the House; Religion* m Ireland.—Read it tirSt, n ltd.-ordered 'to be 1- if, -after Whirt liad recently traiispitecl, they would n t mt a a ..,, eake a tune on th e e 'd a y reree l4 ne e e ' - k t& . :reatly inrprii.ed shOold ne‘y instnitceS . ,pf. Ceti-. reptieu be diaateaered ; if they . coeld ,think such a "I'lle• Caernarvon Harbour Billtwes netd - a 'third tiiiie, . rind litiodd .. , „ , ae a. . .e .- thteg tcoposst'Ole ? The Hoe. Gentleman had much surprised him' byaentleevouringttealtew them - might 'lliceScotch: Records: ..1141.was; react. a tilled time, i and . payeti. . ' ,•• 'a ~.e ~ '' a -. ' • Ibe an impropriety in seAing for abuses; new he .did think, . , . .did think, that et any one sulee4t had a greater _ . The Irish Infirmary. Bill' evastatetta '6. third tiine, aw e levee d. ~ . ~ ....- , .., „., ea . . e - claitartiethe•artetation of the lieti!;t: than another,. 1• , , ... ~.., , , , /:,itedieoteh.cred;tot•it Bill-was ', rod „ a tbhd cline, it:was toe iititeate. OL - .Suen th:ltiities. it. the Right ei ne pa sse d, ,f ~ ~ *: ' ~ e ;.. .-.- i . Fletle'Gcotienten weie of opinion The'researches of a i -10 r. G. Potracianav gave: noticat, th:it he • wou te., e d Coramittee like that' , he proposed" watild `be' wholly unsuccessful- in their. efforts to discover aboses; he the eetli iiistente tnatie urnothesteoh a eeitain Tapers avoold_ be the fist to aupport , the motion. The' last reeently produced, relating act the late' Campaign i n e ne e ie e e,e , a a a ., , .- . 1 speaker, had put it , well to him :•;-" If •he thought I `.l.'he:BritislitSltipscaptine Bill was read a firste =and 1 the soppresaion of 'inquiry. calculated to allay [lei Ordered to be read ivaecondeimieto-moraow. 1,. fermetit. excited in the public; ~ mind ?" It was mr. y 00 4 .0 gave not i ce, , t h at h e. „ vo w „ n e v e , r , d I stick corrupt pra ices should be.e t tioiatied if they necessary that such an inquiry should be madeethat d I huruday next, for theproclu6tioti of : ce rai n p a p er a . . could, be proved, tied if they: creeld leit a he disco. yelEttiow,to , Sir Hew Dalrymple's Correspondence I with the Bishop of Oporio. '' '. •- • • write, tleit his Majesty's liiinisteis should be set in t that Mr. Strew moved, that the Report of the Dublin tighthe eies ,of the 'nation, te the people Paving Board be printed„—Ordered. . . I might . have confidence iii the integrity of their . . r . Mt. 'l:tumult presented a , Ntition from the 1 RulerS. " Peaee-officers of Dublin, praying forcompelisation, I I H. Praire thought no objection ought to be Sze. faur I made to an inquiry merely 'becau s e' a stifficientpee acied on the late Act.-e Ordered to lie, on the table. , . vision against abuses was supposed tie heve - been ale In order , eflet.tually:•to remedy evils,' - A Mktssrizo ;from the Lords' an nounced , theirtorcl- ..ready made. , it was proper to learn to.what extent. they Might' sthips'etaseot tai several .Public anti Private Bills.' ' , exist. He differed, theref o r e , :m o st d ec id e dl y 'f rom 'lord . Ou'r•ut.sTox . postponed the motion of whi c h ite: bad , gleereeoliee,.acii which stood 'forvrid3y I ; th e Chancellor. ofelie Ekchowever,equer. He, hoever, lama, 4111.;theday sti i t i t ii ght. ;,. . , c o u i,d not.giv.: tits . r.e . table. -Lool's motion his auppnrt considerable . violerice to his feelings.., the: motion of: Mr'. C:fioic.rttt,' the Irish Re : - w ithuv.t doitig ccgwizth , iccs Regplation Bill wae read a first; and ! Lie had not Cii , '..! slightest' idea Of tie Not.le I..orti's , s , s , motion 3.vtien he came doevn to the House. He ex ordered to he read a second time to,worrow. , .._ i. „... , veep FOLKSTOW&S'ATO-1110N. . himself hound to aupport, as he understood it to be leold'FOtksToets, after: a tietv'Opening reniarka, ' , . ev e , eie ed ' t e a t i n t e e s ce,ai.se of t h e lat e iitv6 ,,, , leis intention to' proceed against those whose corrupt It raelices, had beendiselesed in the course of the late tigitiOtt of: the conditel 61_64' Royal High'ties; the He would submit it to the Noble. D6ke (it York, it had 'Come out 'that there Were 1. investi & ti°n * znutobt:r lit, , 1 efamis in : t hi s town Iv h o . iii,d by,' toe I, Lordltimself, if any advantage could be expeded to result frot» the proceedings of such eComMittee that eterupt sake :is/Varese He thought the noose wouid 'l , 1 woold not be obtained . if the allegations wer e site be ot cif that an inquiry ought to be set on toot, rilac such ehetes nii;li t be .punished where ii.ey ! cifically made te the Meuse itself ? 'Every such elle : gat i oe h e s ho u ld t ee ) himself bound to support, as lit ; .gl:t be proved to emit, and that, a proper remedy Fees h ad l i kewise 1 he was .byno . nicans .tor- checking inquiry. - From it) 'herb evils should be applied. i the Only precedenta he could recoiled for such if pome out in theacourse et that memorable Inquit'y, which prared that a-corrupt Stile of Commissions in procedure (the one at the cud of the reign of Queen the Army had rusted to a very considCrable eXient. Anne, the et het at .the close of Sir Robert Walpole's ~ Jr 31/116red that the Army Brokers had been in the Administration) he was net aware that any peculiar, adearitagetabad beetedelived. He thought it best to laj'a a of prOcoring them in asiturtroper manlier for ! 03eir olAill eillOWllit'llt.. He then adverted•to 0)101.0 1 wn flu P the inquiry t o P. Vecific objet ; the House I+', , neti'l Levy : as ninny abnees have been proved to ; could the" avail .itch of the i n q ui ' it ' tri al li°vvet' it exie in that, he thought theHoute`could riot refuse f lithoC's%ed. which ought not to be delegated to a , .Committee, and which could no where else be so to institute an itiquiry into the at a• which . , . well exercised. avert go'wg on at that time. - The Noble Lord then blinke of the propriety of appoitilitvg a commieee e ' Mr. Wiatineitatetheoght, from what had , fallen I : from the Chancellor of the Exchetwar, that i t ate to inquire into/Mal abuses, and alluded lathe abuses t penred as it geiferAl - inqniry wea nut wished f or on 'which had been proved to 'exist in F.,3:it India: pat ro 11',Ige He would riot occupy , th e e t tcn o en o r. , i h e j the part tat his Majesty'sMittisters. , The !tight House longer at *that time, but would again eeo n e I Hon- Gentlemen had . not attempted to deny the t e e lie theb„ , I iatence of abuses; that duty was 'gone Lay Wliat e. ' their indulgeoce after Making his utolitari. ever might be thought` in the I;To use , i t was gene moved, that 11 COMMittVe he appointed to' inquire 1 rally believed out of doors, that if inc h an i nge i ry into elf corrupt prattices relating to offices and placeS ! wore set orefoot, many- atausea wriuld b e f oun d w hi c h I ,i n d e epovertiment; and into alrnegoeiations oe bar- i have :hitherto escaped ettpos t ire. But the Bi g h t phis for e.,:oturnissions in the army, Le; also into the I Hon. Gentleman had said, that if fr es h d ip .i . ;ei !n i g h t terms on 'which letters of serVice b.ive been granted, btr discotered, he' would still'OppoSe the ttiotion, on ter raisie men by levies; and how tieee levies Were i conde6ed. ' That' the. Cotrimittee should be ,ein- ! the ground ol'its being improper ; as ibis wi s nut l.eted to receiv-e evide , nee of all such tverisattions, :, the tulle eel search' 1 9r ahtl! , e3 that might !lave txkled ro in times past, but to preventlhOir recut ring in future,' pod rePort froth . liine to there to that House . Wll3l, • • vine ~cii boir , t„ , their. _ . , . , ;it het been JuStry'l tend, thin to fel that, :in efieletel The 'Cite•eceeeurt cirti l d'F i k c r l i :cit . - E a: ae ie, ie, ; remedy for. the evil, irwas essential to know t o whet wow; L. o rd ....b e e eng i m i 5e ,,,,, 1 sow , a0p ,,,,,,,.. b .„4. ,xteiit it had existed. When the tiarisaCqions .in 'front the late inyestigati.:Ai, Wished to instititte e'ae-'- 'is inch P uhl n," at '' 130(1 I : 4l Ylocka whowere COn perel liefutry, it) order to ascerteite wher e - v *li ' x .,' ceruee, were , ursti-oteirlioned, ..the whole had b e e n isied, and on whore) punishment should be•ii i iii(Aed: 'i laughed at• 'the flight Hon. Geilthelnll r ll hi irlgelf . 1,011) Wl,l, ' lie h„d Lo tt c d e d free, the N e m & Le adei . bad joinediothe laugh. But it. had been iticonieti. Oneetthi' he ''UtldeiAt()6(l I;t,', S t:', l l e d, , t h at, i . er4olls t a p e. tibly proved that they.had carried.= their tietarioll4 , citit,i , i, theoaelves brolters' of Conlin issi tins bad dig. ' . 't ' , pr . stlices for years, and norprQceNitli;s had been iii , 'prated at. remotions ill the army itt a corrupt initr 61 1 "4t.C1 , g .4111. ' t 11W ° I .' Might' not dicey be cmnulaa n ee, teeleelown to these whose: inatteilee h a d era . Pe- wit h Bottle ogle woose name it might be ,very•hyi4 . cureless., ~.‘ crn., ai, ir) this' case t d Mt.,.Theilusson, who portent for titian) to know i They pri)oared 1),,,,,,,,. . 1 :; 4,, i ,, 4:' ,1 ~,,,, 1 „ ; ,, 113(1 . 36 ictioiedge w h iki e; er of tiptia in the Church, the Army,' and. the Stale.; in. tots t !xisicilce of sttch abescs'es.he had been supposed ahort they ,P° s serised tile:meaes'of gainibg r ipineral to p:.irticiptite it) - .• Tilos 1 i.11 0.Y. 4151i . ..thee's rnight :pe4..., Patronage. it ts.ad bong been known, . flint promo ti:ibly h 4 hrottelit before the H O Olo o f fees ," hay . a lions were_ there to be purchased ; their advertise ill% gaior.'d Mbill.-2, i , y con twt paetices, litrodgli the rnents hid a,PPeared in the -public prints. . Couldo he inwtdst of +._t+._t-;;a.; w• oho were wholly uticintseious - of R i ght flon.: . Gentlonicn think to stifle ties loiminit he hazl spok (NI , or by shutting test; door against inq u i r y 1 tiidir buing► niele aecessery to :etch abuses. Not ,if. O w pi :,-. 4011 ,,, b ia , ,:d lit: fijuud 0;1 v.l:otii iStinilitiwot : li.. ,1 hii opio!Do, it ,might - be,dangerotra to stifle the 11i tit with j'..sti..:e' be ititliaed, lie did tot think it ; rruPused hurluirvl .l?'"ellt0e the motion i. - vi, too ge- yojilid ,, 2 vropet , to 3et on 160 . 1. in inquiry into the - Deral• _ ticAjOihilik twenty-one 41embera of that abtelea which Might hayeekisted di ring the last half ! 11 _ ° ".? mi lht '" found worthy:to ha%e such .i puss pantry, to kep 'the public roil:,; in a krinetif,..-:!.. I v 6 t e a in t I .ern , 'ls 1 )4 8 1 )!X 11 PrOpOicli by the Noble , Many weee net-Swart, how iiieepedieet it tragld b e 'Lord ' - lie Ilineutcd that he- could not say as ho, t o r tt i,;,; t olc.it 1 fenuent. Ile ii 11116 I:l'.lve thLin :con. could some .weeks ago, -that ..lie did)not believe suet) bider it it w...is I,toper TO , t , ive a (;oniv , int , c such till- abuses existed.. lie now was of opinion dial the, limited ) ns,i'ei., w ith Out -has ingia speciti; ohjeaa lit abuses did exist, nut! stlOhtibu,ies as had net y,,,t b een v i,..„1 4 . IL did not conceive. that tiny'new delinil4ency oietillit W . '. r lie coidua of former Comm i tt e es, ci r.,• inlid Vt ino9Zltt bolo::: them, eller all 'their ree; i t 4.1? Cu#seqtletl.t;e4 of o.leit* Vxe.0 0, 14.4 \vOr9 not to LW '1 argued against qppoirititig a Committee; in the pre sent instahc 4 e, , though it might place the .necessity of. choosing proper persons to term that CoMmittee in a larinnons point of view. For these reasons he sup ported the motion; whether the atEtions of those who Might be atfe6ted by its operations were black or • White, the inquiry °tight to be made, that if blitck they Might be exposed to merited obligity ; that if white they might be regarded with 'Pieper admiration. Mr. TIERNEY stated to the House, that till the motion of the Noble Lord was put, •he was wholly ignorant of its nature, Had he bee.n asked half an hour before what object it was expeaed to embrace, he should have said, that he understood that the NOble Lord, putting the, Duke aside, wished Stich collateral matter as had conic out in the'coutse of the late proceedings to be investigated. He llt much surPrised at thus finding the House, without •any previous 'notice, called upon to take one of :the. Most importaot step that ever had, : Igen taken! by them: .The people were heated; and in proportion as they were heated, it became, -he had almoSt Said, inure, awful to. '!rink of proceeding with a motion . which.went,to inquire if, the whole of the Admink striation did not appear guilty of 'CrarrOption. .IT6 thought. he-Noble-Lewd most have certain cases in his eye when he made this motion—he did him the, justice' to believe that tobe.the case. But why did be not name them.--'.-why not come forward openly With leis charges ? Surely because Some persOtA were pleased . to reproach them all as , being. corrupt, •suclva motion ought not ,to have been brought for '''He 'had in power himself, and stood 'there readj(to autwer to any charge of mal-praatiees that might be brought against ltim. He' did not, know how for hack it Might be in contemPlation to extend the inquiry: He hoped the Noble _Lord would..pause, for God's sake. He gave him credit for the integrity of his heart he helieVed him. im preised'With an idea that abases existed toga very great degree,. and he could .not censure his cOndua; but he hoped he; would not persevere. It had 'been said out of doors, that all within Were corrupt should they' accede to the present'rnetionit wont& be adMitting the truth of that assertion, and saying So we are.'! He thenlidverted to t he Committee appointed to inquire' into the alleged abases in the Eaq India Company,. He did not see what the House :bad to do with them" they might as on the 03t/ of a'Clerk ortwo !ruin thrdiank, ap- Point'• a Committee to regulate thrivittliP-', And ,what had transpired before this Cotrimjtiee ? tiling of impiirtanixr had ceino out but in one ioStake, which it would ill beconiu'hiin to speak largely on at that time. The triathanzilent to i:nputecprrup 7 , tion to the Board of Admiralty, toetiel - Y'departthent in the State, in fine, to every office of:patronage: It was saying, `,‘ ph are all bad alike, and I'll have a Committee tip' stairs to try yon Ili." Nothing w4P; farther kip his heart'thati any thing thirespetlfril to the Noble Lord- 7 -be did justice'to his. motives, eV when he prodo . cee. allegations, he would support him as far ,3s lay, in power. If he had notiothe, thing to by betere a-Committee, he would' not wish nun appiuted. In the - event of one 'being famed, he' v.iopl4 cprtaiply be, considered as a leading man, , nrid in that Cioa he 'would be ludicrously situated if he had no objetc.t. to which lie might with prepriety (Area their attention.: With every Sentiment of re spea and esteem for the Noble Lord, he could, riot think of condemning his Majesty's Mini , dersiiiloN without evkdeace. . Mr. htta.t4n said; 'had the motion been, as heex , peoled have: been, levelled• againit those Whose depravity hacrbeen developed in the Wein-, vustigatioo, .he wonld have given it his SuppOrt; but worded as it was, he had great objeetions to . it ; 'add could not vote for it. ..Mr. PONSONUY said, no rine cOttld bernore anxious, not even ‘l)e Noble Lord biniself to,punish abuses and corruption than he was, but he could,. not' give his support to a !Motion accusing, every department of Govv.nmebr without eiideoCe. Such a, proceed ing'wat without a Precedent. In some 'persons there existed a disposition to abuse all• public men—they were all knaves.and rogues:.-it was of no importance who were Ministers, it Members of ParliaMent they must be corrupt. He telt himself justified in say. ing,:,that there:were in that House; men of incur- ruptible integrity, and be he whom be might who asserted the cnintary, he would tell him; that (Mr, Ponsonby) was apphonest a man as he could be. • • Mr. HUWCHINSON rose 19' support the motion of the Noble Lord. The system for years 'past had not been ~such as ought to be. He would go farther, and say, that if some salutary alterations were not effecle l d, evils incalculably great • might be anticipat ed as the natural result. He could have wished the motion of the Noble Lord had been se worded as to have gained it a more general. support, but he should thinh he deserted his -avowed principles, if he did 1:0t tOve it his was of opinion abuses of magnitode did exist, and the object of the rilo tita, wi. 4 11( he to strike ' thein iff , whatever hands :11111. he vested. - , • - r. N P.M.,. could not entirely approve of the trite :t, because it was clintined"to three point.— the of places under (:,;nverntrient.--of sion, iii t he army---:find the disposal 'of letters of ser- He could tint but Suspeet ti•Oit abuses, of Whi c h . the public not yet aware, existed, and wished tnovu e:„tensive powers to be yested in the Cott mitree, . . Mr. W. WyNNE said, that,if he understood the motion-of the,Noble Lord, it went to extend their inquiries into,ahuses . , without' respedto time or cir ctunstances. He hoped no.ene could objed in Welk an ,inquiry, .as tar as it conCerned him; but he thought it improper to delegate. that power to a Committee ) that - had been vested i n th em b y t h e i r Coostittkots. He thotight it incompatible with his duty to give that power out of his own hands, out of the hands of the House of Commons ; he there fore did, not approve of the proposed ingairy, and consequently opposed the motion, 4 1,0 Honourable Membor, whose name we .could not learn, huppo r t ed the motion of the Noble and observed, it was his belief that there were grounda of general accusation' against , thct Govern ment of 'the country.. , Sr , Jonx 4NsTrtuTnEa 'said, that the present . motion :had tor us object a review, i► . facti, of bur il;fferent Administration, for ages post, arjtl .. cot:1- '6'olo- Of the system 44ed Lyon by ,Goverament tram, time. 4mnemorial. An Honourable Gentk matt-(tbe last - Speaker) had with . t • ! b.ie Ott scion 4 4 1 . w .I:44TILIIL ot_ \e,ls possession of fads to warrant that suspicion, he de sired that the Honourable Gentlemen would bring them forward. 'Ole were not, it was highly itn• proper to have spoken in that way. .He considered ; the delegation of such extraordinary powers to the i House as of extreme danger. 'lt was the worse insti tution possible, and the most unfit tribunal wherein . to invest general administration of justice. To in' vest it in a CoMmitteeof that House was still worm i In fine, he was of opinion, that it was 3 motion which, 'if attended to, would 'be' produaive of the most unheard-ot evils. . ' •' ' . Mr. 'P. Moons . hoped the Noble , Lord would 4 withdraw his present motion, and brirg it forward in, such e specific shape, ai he had no doubt would , insure it general support. 'He observed,, that in the Eighth Report of the CotiarniSsioners at Military lu cieiry, there were mentioned no less than et levies, the sum ot money granted , for which amounted to 500,0001. and in most of which the men in general. faded. Upon : the surn,of et 11,0001. out of the ter mer one, there was f01.11.1d to be a fraud Of 96,004 ' If the Noble Lord diretlod his. attentiba Spec:a - it:PUY to this point, he was sure' it `‘YOUra afford matter sufficient to last during the entire of the Session. Mr. gecretary'CANNlNP- did not mean in rising to say, that he would make coy eddition to thopreced ing 'arguments:on, the sufiee. But in . consequence: of the inlpreson which Was on', be e:10.110 cOn4i'' • crer he would:be :lain a manful part if he should' give a silent vote 00 the occasion. lie was ter..rfo . 'l' ; means' inclined too ppose the Motion 00 a t iy speeltie. 14 •=a,ds,_if theete specific heads were put forward, or as far Os the relation of. those points in the motion at pie ant Vrl9 Made to appear with reference Informer, coarse: adapted' in that House. He could not per.' calve:aU .relatiee whatever. :between the coerse.at present pro posed,. and those .which were followe d 0 9 previous occasions. The former went to point: ("t abuses, and lb selea and Punish delinquents, the which went to increase the ferment that alrea d y was excited in the public mind. General suspicioo w as promoted by the present motion, and 'it ,would ,t)o attended with the most destructive consequenc es, keeping alive the flame instead of allaying i t. A Noble LOrd had rebuked his Right Hon: Friend for having reminded the House ot a legislative me asure ill present dealt in general accusation , the tend enc y of his cootemplition, and offered it as a remedy for the grievances to which the. Noble Lord referred . It was certaiply,-proper for his Right Hun. Friend to state that heliad such a - measure in contemplatien, and it would be ; for the House to decide whether it wa..,' adequate to the end to which it was diredled or n or. An Honourable Gentleman opposite hedeeidOnses had esiSted; es appeared from the Report of the Compissioners of Military Inquiry ; but be et,' tio same time allowed that an inquiry. had been in'' • stir wed ; ' that these abuses had beep deteEted, and remediere. applied. , I( the cases were/Made spt!cirie, he did not mean to obje& to the application of 14 1)L" titie remedies ; but bringiug . them forward in that general Way of suipicion only 'tended to perpettlale the popular excitement which was well known . 0 eVia*. • He cl;eniet* doubt ballieN o ble 'Lord eon . sidefed a'treat 'deal 'of sett from .this • suspicion. What was. the I . Pe,,tis_ i n_ . ., inoposed ? To go e lilt this through the wlr d i t i:: l 23 7 , of the Government—to pass sentellee": o l , k ti,,he I rits, and to' invc,itig4te its Jefet:irs fbr ' lll . ' t i d le e rated, . 11 number ot years... The. iasl, was 'Weald,oe-eee for Wig to which theygood, and no evil, could rer; yet the agent was durdeished. lle . k . ' part, reeliiiii from'a Committee ot dot tom e aMs ' There. tle#s4nuch : public Mischief hi instilling opin i on.: ~ _ were by no means adeqUato. . 01 their own roitenneie . and corruption mind. —There W 34 no hove TO advantage to he . d _ t ived !Tom an in ,it) pronosed 10 be instituted .In , , i illtnut‘ the pte'seilt . Meitner. ,The, , prespett was as 1. , iable as“the retroSpeti.. 14e wee of opinion, 11:1' , were all public men to bet of the cast which wt 61114 iii - ,uated, it . was :amenteble indeed, andparticolaily so in such tiiiie as' these. He would ask, if then' Was any. man possessing •so miserable a frauto at into the pbic!. mind, at to suppose that' a public man would enter into' dike for the mere emoluments of it ? 1 110 Anxiety and labour, the distress of mind, and the ontair warfare adopted against men in public eitua tions in that Hotise, which went in its OnjUa 10 Ih:** grade ' them in the eyes of the country—all thy" L were circiunstancea which could not be in arty Wily compeniated by money. To a man who was so c"1:' stituted as - to hold an opinion to the contrary, 1) 6 I ,c' ; `,. • more .subjed of pride 1 teen regret in incurring n'' censure. The Right Hon. Gentleman concluded an, •' able and elegantly.,deliVered speech by ea) Jog, ill with sentiments such as t fiche he had otiervdr he c°l)..„„.' not consent to let loose this wide wasting ineasu7 • , ' it contained accu'ations as disgraceful' to submit. to, as impossible to do away. r . Lord FL PETTY 'd of . _ , expleiued on what he IVA said . : ! the Right Hon. Gentlemaifs (the Chancellor of 01' i Exeheque.rs) measure. TN : , Right H G nlOlllO9 6 01 . 1. , 't Ar 1 who j, • just ~t down .-certainly misapprehended 0 11 4: I Ild said on the sabjett. lie did not by any tvo n ti I wish to imput e t o th e - Right Hon. Gentleman "iv I design of screening public delinquency. . . Mt. C4NNiNG was glad that , it was a mis 3 Pr c i i ' henSion. - He was certain the 'Noble Lord No' l • thank him fai r having produced the explanation . , ~: Mr,. I' .. M oshe sa ► id, that in mentioning the levies , ",.,,, his only ohjott wai to discover how they were " n.. . AO tiled, amid in what manner conduaed. the , t o Lord TOLtiiTONE, in ex I ' solid --sl' p anation, ie of the case was entirely misunderstood. 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