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!'~~ having some previonS notice given on the subje.q..— The. opieions of that Noble Lord, 'he, however, ad mitted at dl times and on all occasions had great weight, and were entitled to full cansiderat ion, and he should therefispre proceed to comment on them. He proposed to speak of the •subjed.s which • Ind mile') under di,cussion, not 'in the order in which they had beery- t ea tett - try thr-Nrbie - Lord, brit wish ing to.speak of tho,e •wlrieti were yet fresh in the memory of their Lordships, he should first advert to those topics touChed upon in the hitter part of the Noblti ,Lord's . speech: - He could net hut' exf)resS the most entirtesatisfaetion Ott the sentiments express-:. ed by his Lordship on one 4reet.tion which :had of late much agitated the , nublic mind—that•concern lug the privileges of -Parliament,• He admitted the' full'forCe olltiS opinion en that subject, most perfect-' ly'agreeing - with him that it was oecessaity;- for the gdod'ol-the Public that Parliament should be 'in pus scsiion -of4the, privileges to •whieli they had laid c -They were necessary and v ssential to the pro per discharge of their fintdiens, as nothing could be of more iMportance to the nation tient that their re- • pr .seutatives should/be preserved trot being intimi dated by menace • and by the drealof insult:4nm) a pioper and conscientious disco,itee of their,dirty.,-- , Of the evil effetts of this the Noble Lord had even them several illifstratiens, but, a must instructive examle was furnished by the Ilevolution in France, of what might he expected from- the dtlibeeoious of an assembly. The buy then formed,' and ca p_ jug_ the nselt es ''t he Constituents of the - Penple," h. d he en thTscirctimstanced'i the iuonsequence was, bent:4 too 11111C11 under the influence 01!11epopoiace, though they bdasted some , men .of virtue toe lent among them, eery .chance of sOcceSs by the manner in- •erhich -their 4ibefatidn.s*-wire' .condueted, threith fear of , b-ei7oin'et e ty nupnpulaie— He perfectly agreed with-the Noble Lord as right to- the privileges they , Not drily' had: they been titers 'from' time immemorial,' a pretty strong argument in their favOur----not only hail they been supptirted by the' most , illusirionA of oat' pa.. trio's, another pretty strong -, orgument‘in their fa favour—not only'did it a, pear that oar liberties had fieuristred and ,expanded under them, which . was also a prt-tty strong argument in their behalf, but they naforaity grew out, of the deliberations of •such an asSemni, and were necessary to its very evi•t eiece for any efficient purpbseS. The trial by Jury was not of itself sufficient to secure the rights of the subject. In the reign of Charles If. in that of Hen ry VI f I. and . at some of the -Worst perititi - of 'our history, trial by Jury had been still preserved, though the subjed .had been grievonslyoppressede Statiog this to their-Lordships; he was tar, very far Ifoin un dervaluing trial by Jury,- but he duniended that trial by Jury afforded no adequate ,i.:curity for •the tubiic without those priVileges: of Parliament. No lan's, bosrever Wise and jtist---40 jurisdi6tion•whatever, could alone give sufficient security' to the subject without .A somethingbehind-s-.Or in fatc,t above them .--e-without aconstnntlyr vigilant and ccr.trouling-Por liament. He.was sorry that he coald•mq a ree with the otherparts of the Noble load's speech, as be did with this. On the , Stlbjea of Retorin, Lie -cookl.not but express surprise that the Noble Lord's semj meats should remain the same as they were -tiventy years age; Seeing ctrcurristancts were so materially changed within that peliod. That ri.tithely and salutary Itettirth had at all times a claim to approbation could pot be . dented. If the Noble ,Losd meant/ to say. that t:me 'present Ministers syvematically -resisted such a Reform, the experience of their Lordships must re ' flte'the charge'. They had tiniformly nianifesteita disposition fatiourable to such a heft'' in: Not •one year, hot-one Session -had elapsed without a remedy bring applied to some piuetical evil. if remedies had not been attempted to be applied in 'some in stencei. where - complaints. were made, • it was' be cquSe-those things that were - -in such, cases coin- . plained of as grievances and evils, u hen examined were not considered to be such. • AS-to the general theorY Of Reforria, AO far was he from thinking that If the subject were taken up as proposed e;se . whie, terletrinn of 'bias public expellees .would plaee; that lie did bot beshate.• to predict that In s 'Cane a great- additi'al would be made to the *rutilic e;Cendn tire. It was true liat e the King's Xie~ ;rue had been increased,it was- true that sof *bees wer6 inul,iplied 'And 'salaries augmented, but e w ;shed their .I.4prdships to look baCk toformer to pertbdssat Which every thing was sop posed to be sOlnuch Lofer, 31.10- cootriist ihe present Civil List ..with that of oth,r reigns. -The Civil List of N - yAi 700;000.1. and omi-tegolat ta. That of Queen Anne and George. I 700,000 L - and Unregulated. Cy. orge.., 11. had 800;0001. - e 'd unregniatea. These sums, if th,t pat.' .b the He itt,liti'iry States were to be male up by the country. the CiVil List at pres-nt amonuts 'to 05n,0001. and it was to b/ obServed that Was regulated irk all it s •pitts. Blackskone had stated the rev, line of the Crown' t 6 be es le* as it Ought to he, or as it could be' to ti:a 1 171All its 'dignity. He would ask any man Who would lOok hack and like Otto his cons:dela 'lion all. the contingencies a:-.canhog tne depreci jniou of money, -- &c. if 950,0,(lol. gt. the .present day bore any thing like • a proportion , to the 100;0001. which ,'vac the civil esantisliteent in •the ii i e William,! Or to the ii.uu,cool, granted to George ti,e second ?' Ministets had no - 0 jeCttou to an .cconoinical'Arform. it there were grietanees 'WKicb called i 'R for such a eform, l'-t the Noble Lord . •- • &tate them, - .lnd a pricti'cal remedy sould ue Ide was however' averse to a sweephig indefinite Th e e' t ry of refoiifr. -Whate‘ei 01114 by s a i d o f the multiplied expellees of t e S, tar, he ainceie iy believed that there mitre wit, a. rich and pros- per..us cow:try:ll)e civil govettanent of which was bondocted at 33 &41petice so CompioatiVely hied made. inquifies into the ei‘pet.ces of the civil GOvertimeot of Ainerica, Ana thULI , II . Atnerce-a, was republie, the of perha ps a'thira part Of the population-ut 12.:itish y sl• abet though the consumption of articles of luxury could. 'not be vtly gr9iii, he.. t t oluid, t h e, 4..”ls'ec i cvs attending the civil goveronient amount ed -nearly to 800,0001. 'and that for a ,eoun p-y where the pOpulatio) did not e,,eeed 6,900,000 l i e r ! .ixes, 'alio Where mtichl,ss property was to be proreeted than that protected by toe British' Govern- font, greatly exCeo,Ted :in proportion the expenee's of th'e EngliO . Civil List. As to-the represeutattof?, b; the people in l'arliainente . he - would sat, fie be t L'ed net er•wits a iterc.j.od tai our history when it was let4unetival ; that t was oneritial theory, he uuld adttit -- ; but that 01z:thole it,equality he regard eel as one. of OA greatest ?.r.lvantrigen tinr C ,nsti tution. 11 , 11 - , Burke had pit)le-sed to t)e of a similar opinion, at4isscri . l ; nol it lie 11:4 I cirb!m s'ancewhich made tbe,H pof Co:nmons nat it .was. It they were to erilre.,vour to give it a theo retic equality, in the rs-t phice they could nev , ..r know where to stop, and he - believed it would fin my tend "rol Ife' des : LreaMil of the', whole sy princi,4e 'on which Parl ameot had beets of acting for. some years past, was .in, his opinion that of sound policy.. Th,iy had gone on t.httsysent of remedyitigpraLiiCal eves, instead of adoptit,g an theory whish • w0 ,, 1d !iare'been ittobststeyt with tbe iseeurity 'of the pe,Tie I'he idans propos ed' fora fiefOrm went to finiQi - sal suttrag?",o t i itt least to make liopulation tt - e,.basi4 of reeneenito;), to the exclusion of properti. Such a change be l' itgltt. could riot but ne exCeed':nglY utjui ious la i:S s. Adverting to what had beensaid by theNol - de Lord with respect to the Gathhtit Cl tin, ,he w if - led to call the 'attention of th'e ifo:le to the teat state of the question The N•sq , Lord (L - , rd Ore)), :or his Ow 'n part; was oily ‘v!l;ing to grant their prayer on - a 'Condit ou ivhiCh he did not know the- Catholics would accept, and whikii Ministers had reason to belteAe they .:NYouid refuse. being the state of the car=t, he thonght it unnecessary to ' say more on 'that ' subject.. 1. - le' now' fink' eed(d to „ speak on the i cireum•tances of the war. ' Whatever • dnielence•of opinion fermeily (xisted (in that sub- - ...p!ct, - .: he behev(d among' all sonci' rational men but little col - uteri:ly of 'sentiment retnanied. Wlien . , peace collie , -be 'itonnur:tb:y4 add advantageously ma,;e, it ' Would certain!'; 'be roost desuaeie, but that Could not be done at the present moihelit, Par liamete and the country \were pretty geneially satis fied; - fro, Noble'Lerd had' coniiselled the husband- . ing °Pt heir resources'and the avoiding of co:nj eration as nitich •its'Nssible. • On this seb*t, aS he had said. • before, he wished them fairly to c insider the merits of the case, and decide whether or not such a line, of conduCt would - ;.rote 'most condecive to the in fcrests of the country. If by thco-oiiteratnig sys- Cern condemn - ea by the Noble' bird, they gained trade ^and ii(ivantages which otherwise would be un attainable; surely then it must oppear to be:a Wise policy. Vie wished to ;1;k 'the' Noble . ,Lord, if at the' 'time a spirit of resistance . main tested Itself in Spain to resist . the foulest and most unprincipled of all weitnat - !ons, 'he had 'been a MeMber of his Majtistyls Giarnment, ,whether - or not he - would then have preached .tlii; deetrine, and told‘the 'country, f‘ We are acting bpou an eco nomiCalsyStem, and can 'give nothing to Spain - arid E Vortpgal ?'', The tn,tnner in which ' the war li - 9 a been condo red had nothing to do with this ;:question. On that . st - lbjc‘,l he : would s;:eak ptesenity; but he Wished to ask tie Noble 'Load, .it op that occasion be would have teeotn mended a total abstinence (corn all c6*-Opetation .?- Tire Noble Lord would urn at such 0. crisis have pursued Sub!) a line of ceedth.l. He dared no . , t to do so. The country wee, d ece h.•ve C.)orrie . it.." Tli j e qUestion now became, 1;.;.,r U . our exertions' in the 1 * cause of Spain and PerfLuif had peen wisely trade ? Ilk! Nolie' Leta had 'set forth the pr. pries) , of ' considering of the expediency of withdiele..irg our . forces from the. Peninsula: He did not wish to de etfive by holding out hopes too sangt. 4 ine to he real !' isej ; bat he would sAy that hethouehi if they were [ to vs it hdraW our forces frOni ' the l'euinspla now, '' their conduCt would ,be ui:iveisAiiy coot , mired. He was uipkillitig to speak on this subj,!ct alter the i clear I and luminous statement made on ti former evening 'by his Noble Friend, every weird of which . met with his entice approbation. Ile however would say th.• sPirit of Spain still remained uusubdued. She still - pessessed within herself the weans of making au effectual resistance., He did ' not mean to 'say it thence necessarily followed belt her her cause would ul timately be crowned '‘v nil , success. Tbat must in a ' great measure depend en the Manner 'in whi c h those Mearis T.:yore applied ; 'on: the ability and in tei,rity of - tho.e to whom they were entrusted ; but if England never gave her ass.siance to a' cause till she !build a Government all virtue and all wisdom to Solicit it, - she wouid probably never have an op portunity of so exerthinr herself, The struggle of Spain for her independence:, la=cl been protracted through the assistance of Great . Britain for t w.o years. ' The cause which mill..aniMatei I. I aersons was not the t htliusilisto of success, it preceeduti trorri mistor tune; .and was perhaps mole to be admired thus arising from defeat than if it followed victory,— White such a spirit survived they w ete,bound no( tat de ‘pair, Pi cherish it, aed strain every' nerve in the c.mse. nts Noble Friend had said that thou.;ll the .cause was such as to call' forth our assistance from t h e n o bl e st moties_ of gener9sity, yet if it were only considered as a que:ion of dry policy a suffi cient stlinilus' would . remain. While France wants a formidable navy England is tree. What,spot in the wOild was' there that could aft Jcl France such ainple Means of contesting the sovereignt y of the ~, seas With us as Spain i Leaving then out of ; tnOr con sideration the larger (piestion, as to rest,orlog the. balance of power, it would from. selfish motives be our object to ..fight the cause of Spain for our own sake, for our Own security. While this spirit sur vived; there was, moreover, the chance of new hos-. tility breaking out against France, but without 4tiy_ snefi chance' they were beiund, in honour and' in policy, to continue the . cOn test to the'. lase.: If in the end it 'should be lost; ecru, in !hat case he thiaight the Noble Lord cirtlld` hardly contend that ~lhe struggle had been of no advantage to England, as the lengthened contest, weakening and wasting i he 'strength of our Ctlt!illi?, must naturally have tire eift;i:;t of increasing the scan ity of our ; dominions., If, pursuing his economical system, the NuWe Lord would forbear to make such :-..trurts in a cause which England cannot but' feel so great an interest, and expose the country to all the consevent danger, then would his economi ca l Systetn . ,be the .most ruinous and ext le% agint that could he 'conceived., The Noble Lord next adverted to the E,iipedition to, Cepenha i gen. It was fitted out, •hi contended,, ou the soundest principL. s o f j ust i c e and of . po; - !icy. He knew, at leat as far as human testis cony could" go, hit It was the intention of Frahce 'to apply the Copenhagen fleet as part of the means she wali then preparing ler the inva sioa of this conntry. The jifii.cele of :the Or tiers .in Council lie had neW to . exPl:ain. 'FrAnce, as had been'said, was„willingee let Amto tea trade--e, b'at nut wiTh•Ettgratid. 'To ctitinterda - 0!e 'effect of. tnat Decree Was the intent of, the Orders in Court ed. Our confine: c: and tnanufactUrerbadlidurish- ed more they . ever didiaefore under 'those . Orders, their civil liherties, and to asvid thi it rights, and .which were a just measure of retaliation on France. save them from succeeding, tvrantc ? If they r's l Tdeappoititments that had beeo adOerted to, had not, then he' would ask them haw they e coffi not been made inconsequence of the exertion of tenance the attack which the Commons es undue influence. Every Administration, for its own upon the civil rights of their lePow-subje t sis That sake, - worald naturally selat. the most efficient acct reform in the Abuses of the Stave was nece.sary 0 " ) merdorious public servants they _,cotild. find. - After one would doubt ; that.. reform .M.A.l.e..Common s a few words in vindication. Of the appropriation of House of Parliament was mtrh more occess-lrY. the Consoliikaied Fund, the Noble Lord proceeded there was no one but would allow, tilio•was'itoi . : to state that our great resources of Public wealth terested, to be true. 'lt is the want . at re a4 m . w hica: . mere increasing, and the, nation, far from being in . creates this very self-same, Self , atc•umed: "a decjihing state, was rising, and had risen hi g h e t l ate l y ex erc i se d , for a .- . pure .repre - sentation..off e‘er in commercial prosperity. To prove this, people never would recognise. such hostile•princi' he would refer their Lordships to the - statements on pies. His Lordship thou remarked upOn theA - table,' from 'which it app eare d th at -our .cow- parts of the observations that fell from a Nobleair i merce arid reVennehad increased in a most unexam- '.(Liverpool) respeding• 'the uoeal sove of pled•rnannerT:ie permanent and wa r t axes h a d People's representation, a n d denied that it'vraS suck' greatly increased in their ;produce. The permanent as'.atilarded fair opportunities for splendid talents t ° • taxes in 1808 produced 31,571,0001...; in 1810., shew forth. That bethought much more likely 34,895,0001. The Noble Lord gave a vari e ty o f be produced by the People having the opp,rtuniti other statements, from , which it app e ar e d- th at th e - of making their' .choice, than by in indtWo' l other branches of the revenue were equally flourish- choosiag himself 1 - bi_a_...seat_ by means,..af....his-11W', ing and piothietive. The state of -the army he had ney. The, House of :Commons ,%vould • bw mor e next to s'peak cif It had been spoken ',of 'as filling likely to have a greater -assemblage of genius bY , off tnaterialls , . He had to state, that netwithstand- the Lpeople sending thither this inen •of tbe i l, inghil the circornstances. of thecampaigua in which ehOiee,.than by - the. wealthy individaa ! l purchasi4 ll it had been engaged, its numbers were ( considerably his admission there. TJ,e one was , likely. to reP l ': increased, ay is exceeded by me re th an 2 7 , 000 men sent hi s ge niu s, t h e other his guines , L ihoug"' , what it' was in 1807, 'The 'number . of vessels taken that it was neither-politic or wise- to •hold, yr tor' from the enemy aanourrted to 40 . sail of the line and affect to hold, the opinion's of the pergola in cot'' 45 fri i ;atcs making; 'with' those belonging to o ur tempt: For his part,. he hardly knew of ::toy ~ allies resctia friatri the ertemy'S grasp, 58 sail of the in ancient or modern times, which wade that a pil l ' . Hiie And 5 ufrigateS.' In ad:!itiOn to thee the French ciple, but who h Into decay' !1e • . had been, for the first time in any driven en- • Noble and Learned Lard supported anvtid:i , en t, tirely Out of 't he ;West Indies. The 'French and but said A hat • there was a 'great pat t'-ut car Addre 4 Dutch flags were suffered, to wave in. that hemi- • • which had his - support.' sphere .no mote, an advantage' which h a d n e ver b een ., t T he Loitp Cgs:scar-Loa supperted,the'rpyilog e ' gained, before, ,not even in-the - war ot• 1756. The.' of Parliameot, and opp.*d the mOti.in of thq N f h anirlrof - Braganzaadheen removed- front French : Earl, la'dause it asserted whit his ',nick%) 1 0 . ` influence and French- aggression to the Binds, .denied night ;=fief; night. The N o bl e Leal2;r hende• advantages of imp or tance night be exnect- Lord 'held stated, th a t t h e Frea.dorn of, iiV Stihr t, i • ed to result. to.this .cbirnitt)ri Portugal;, whichhad , '• I supported at ail time's by trial by ;Jo) a; c ; been overrun by an ; eiemy,•,had seen a.hat . 1 - ietny Freedom of t!..:a Press. He vywald a s k, " ) s expelled .by valour. Spain had. - heenencou- gerierAl• practice of the Cot.: - t,. Its llt:t~`'Cp to a I. raged to struggled with her oppression by Our exam -• %,vhich. he . Bail presided;, in, oases' Where "ta'ial• pie. Ttie poll of Ciition was now free, ;ard Cadiz did tiot•applys he had cirdered the p, ty. to , atli-L. akin Coma Isere at present occupied I , ;y - Blit'lsli;` e and whera•conteimpt•trad appeared t Had - cowl. ccinjuii6tion Wlth Spahish Irriops, SuCti:;w,is; tie ted. The Noble andL?arned Lod bed Jane the sc l o -1 ; rep - siaie of things at the _period when 'the' Noble • ; a — ed:ladge - shad pesses4e - d power of cominotl, Loid had thought' proper rn Move a censure sas•e= ! (or Contempt., .11.1 put it -to thi.-ir L- ordships witet h 4. vere: -He knew the justiCeasf their Lordships, and the commi t m en t f or co n tempt w.;s Ro t as n0. ,.. 4 he. knf w they would , not , p' t - icill•a censure with. the4ex.tarcei, as triai by Jury. Evry . Court 11) to out ascertaining that it was richly deserved.' Had, have - (4ard 'his Lordship) a surruna - y he (Lord Liverpool) thought props-r. tarnow.e,such.; punish for cootemaa, - ,vithutit in tri.il• an Address at the end of one year of the Noble 'Jury. Walt yespect to this power visted in ra F ' os 'Lord's "(Lord Grey's) Administration, how, many I meat, it, was c.:trusted to the House of Coull' ° , failures, how:. •many disgraces, mi g ht he have ,under.a responsibility. If th e y too k away t l f 3 l r .crowded into it: ." Look," said the Noble Lord, •sponsibilaty from the,Constitated Authorities, r ,, Look. at the state O,the Nation now, and cow- had.ne security forthe.due execution of ties.r`ve l pare it with what it was then. With all we have ; How far weri; questiens,which.coticerned the H un ' JoaLahe_balance.is_in favour of thepresealanomettt.' j aaf-Couituotia„-to go. before aJu y ? Was the C ° „ Russia at that period was nearly as she ; mons in c iseof contempt to say, `• we will gl've art' Austria: certainly was not supported by the Adini- hit 'to persons - who speak to us without 10 nistration of that dey, and Prussia daring the ,short and that we will attend to some and ta ut re . period they were in power,fell, and probably ±1•11 to others.? His Lordship could not allow that aO ro , rise no more." The Noble Lord concluded a sp eec h strai ri f•O ug h t to be put on the eiereise: F e cf. of dis!ingtikhed ehiqu,:nce, expressing'm satisiattiou ; tetitary privilege. He Consicl.ved the priviitl of at the change in the pos't pre 01 our al - faits:' the. House of Commons to•be the privileges °f hod Lord STANHoPtt had' heard' with surprise the ~Peers. . .--Ther had-bern gi, en not, for t:e ado w 'res f ' speech of the Noble Lord, setting forth how mu c h Members,.of Parliament, but frrit:e safety the state'of the country ha! improved onder the E,people . ; thorefote it was too muLti to., say lb: ; 0 * guidance, of the preseri; blessed Ad i roi n s,rat ion . istituent power should not, have tiiitt, o f c o ot His amendmeot he ; ; thought wore necessary, atter toittihg ter Contempt, i n common wars other C'! ..0 .4 • heatiog that very exiraordioary speeen. He then ;; ; NYi!ll;topeCt returrn, his LoidshG, was contended -against the privileges claimed by. the .-that't here never had, ueen.a milder or House of Commons.. Ti'cey ought to have such as union in the woi He, had examinee; loe were n ec e s sary t o th e proper exercise of thei,rfune- •• of h, and he did not btaeVe it cold be impro' i Lions, and . no mere. That cry House of Conimphs ..any innovation, whi c h, o n t h e Cotit,ar)-, ~o• had the other day sent a Bill to that House which he ca4cUlated to hazard the'advatnageS we at fetes... n • t t,i4 not how sufficiently to censure, empowering 'ioYed.. His Lordship Concludeo by o 1 puSiu3 a parish officer to.fldg and starve arty poor creatuce motion and arriendtneur. • a'; who would not v. ork. They; (the House Of Corn- ;- The Duke of Nuar o ott. suaportvd the argt l : . ,' Mons) might com,nit hint it they:_pleased for a ~of Lund 'and ioutnated..his libel, but he would saY,.iiteMember who orough in vote fin - the itn4 amendment. , . ' such a Bill hat b.en inattentive td duty as a Lord SIONOUTH comuriea with his N trie , o t i# Member at Parliament, and he would tell them, so 'on the question - of the privileges and ri g los if he.were among - th..m, and. set thenyat deti.nice. Hi".! thonght the other HOuse vo id ( The House of Commits not haying the power of ed his, Noble. Fijeid, tor the atteniton s he P. examining upon oath, could not ',love in . a legal the subject, in bring i t und-r -the consid...ra t . l lo way that an alleged otle»ce had been . committed.honourable 'and enli g hi e n e d Mi n d s . The s ''f tad Suppoiing,a libel were' written in. this , way, `'. A. out exp.'ditions, which hint been th e stitneCt. ° ro DE liklVer of men sitting at,West minster." • It might f Noble:Earl's 6bi , :rvations, ca!!el fir 11:s _ then he' tiecessary to . have:parentheses with there •tion. ' •Minisftra - had not appliLd e ' VC ( words (meaning thereby the House of Commobs), lion% to advahtageeus puri:oses. With r „. e ' ati a• would refuse to hear the ofibuder's defence. .to the continuation of the war, and thP lie mean the'House - of Lords, the Court:of 'My which was rizessary, it was his f:<?r. u . e st' P.:xchever, or the Judges Westminster.; ;-Would •/ opinion that th.ithing but' the principles T ec ap' they, witlii-nt hearing,him, torn hem out, and Corn • Alomy could avert liie•evils proceeding from t ° snit him behind his back. Tt,iS i -WAs the jurisdiction -test. The War Taxes ; and the surplus of Ihett for Which an Hon. Member contend e d. •It was quite solidated Fund 'sass our' nly deperidcno o „ifices abominable. After some farther observatioos on economy Nvas'net Strictly adnered to, our re'; crtl i the privileges, and some strong rem: ks on their for- -would soon prove i. ad, (pate. He ° 'ict iner conduct, he gave a tudierous description of the • his Noble Friend on of the ciroP a r i,a 6 squabbles of Ministers. and their opponents, stating Spain. The EXpedition unuer.Sir J o hn A; l ‘ )° ,. l e o lor them to abuse one another with the civility' of St. been condueted on a mistAken view ; but the e'il w ai Giles's, and ill. the politeness of Billingsgate. He .i went of a large- force under Sir A.Weiksley laugh! SL thought it might, not be exactly proptr A,., o turn out mised considerable advantage. Th e ocau Vi be • Mitristers in - the present state of things: FOr a 'time, could not perceive that ally hope or success cc )° t though he did not like them, he thought it would, beldout theCathpiics. Hi- would not achtlist ,la be'best that they should all hang together." He tholic Emancipation had received the 4 1 0' 11°'( concluded by moving, as an amendment, time substi-' couragement from Monsters.: With res:)ec t ... „ o ", tuition of these words fop part of the original motion.' form, he bad sren tie country in the pOS 4 t:r ilie ,l o ,' ",And they pledge thecnselk es to support the law of civil libetty; that had never before O co t thetelwe , iot V e ahe.land, and the rights and liberties of the subject, of any nation, and lie VOL. LI hot, by preserving the trial by Jury ;to do which, the Ii- throw.down any pan of the fabric,. w' t : l be e! belly of the press is indispensable." ' ing convinced that a sure advantage wou l • 0 0 , v o x h. Lord Soryocx. supported the amendment. .He rived from the intio:atittn The Noble r!, entered into a discussion upon the conduct of Minis-. concluded by stating_ that tie could not, oac ier ; ' / ter*, with respect to the way in, which the war Was considerations which pressed upon hint, g carried on in, Spain, and expressed his apprehensions sup; orr to the Amen !silent. - ' ~t , o • that it was not like,y to succeed,' not,• he thought, Lord Dotaouousreaa made a few obSell , '‘l from any ward otpeblic spirit in tie Spaniards, but' Marquis u t LAN*I).)-v NE said he dooe,, uri.„ „0 4 , ! frond the want of that which of all whets induces manypoints wito hiss Noble Friend who men to stand forth ; in defence of their country-- the Jiddress. He - hokight that the C ou rt ° namely, Constitutional Liberty. . meat was more entitled to•rhe power o f Coo n N je,. Lord EitsKlN supported the. amendment of his .for contempt than airy other Court. If th e Noble Friend (Lord Stanhope). lifs Lordship ar- bers W . the other Hense did n ot ex e rcise ti'j t -gued that the privilege as,.nited by the House of for the b e nefit of th e p eop l e, I t o y n " g l,l he /I P Commons, to imprison for he R u, was contrary to the- after the di s soluti o n of aliament. , ksiowo law of the land, and to Mago Clarta. ,He Maignis then scondeMued t; r poc . v 9t • was exceedingly sorry to dilfer with the Noble Eari...'cun t aaign, and observed, that there w , is ,(Orey) who pro Posed the Address ; but he realiy, l• mentioned by isis N ble Hem! A 1.1(11 toe ; 110 ,0 lotind, that. it wa.s quite imposiiide for him, in the cretary of State had. left titihotie , d dischit* of his deity', and in the conscientions dis- • the paper. - cuirency. •It was t. t rt th i t g erth 1,, t o ado in that the Hoose, of Cominons , ,i soy, a greater addition hail bee!) had by .law the or power, which they thuS tency of the country than'had v ver iice:aal e c assumed. lie • asked Noble Loots it they forgot the other cou n try within th e sa c tie t i m e. Thc con blued ivhieb their forefathers haeshed to maintain from a variety49l circumstances, had en' •P