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Mat WU :uly eletted, and that neitierTitie P . e *a titidiv;;, nor" the opposition to them, were frivolous or vexation - S."' A new Writ was ordered. to fill up the vacancy declared by the Committee. Colonel Sritu'r;ipicieriteda Declaration from Mr. ?tiller, one of. the. 11/Tenit;efs,ter:Bl.l4sex,-`4lechiting, that it was not his !maniac to 4tenc.l4fia Xleetiun : against the Petitions al,Folonel .Sergisoo. and certain Freeholders. The consitlertition Of the Petitions was Adjourned to the T4lll of March,' in order to:allow. , the length of the notice required to be given to We • Sheriff andCoutity, under the said Ad of Parliament. Mr. FOSTER brought in a Bill for amending the lawstelatlve to the Boman Catholic College at Mey- • 413 a 11 ) in Ire:and. The principal objed of the Amendment is to give power' to the Trustees to compromise suits for lands ,purchased on account of College, —The Bill was read'aiirst time • In consequence of the ill health . cf" .54 'Home Popham., leave of absence was ,giveu Oehiin for a nienth. , LUSHING TON on the same,groond, postponed the Moti on of which he had given notice ter to- . "' c rrow, respe6ting advances trom the Droits of the Admiralty Fund to Sir Home Popham: On the Motion of Sir J. 'NEWPORT, an Account Was, ordered of the number of Gallons of home Wade Spirits on which the Duty had been paid in kgland, Ireland, and Scotland, respectively, since the year ;Dios. jdr- HUtiXISSON brought up Bills for carrying into.eQ late arrangement with the Batik, . for the be tter Manag etnent Of the National Debt.—Read a -.Y't time, and ordered to be read a second time to-- itairr e‘v • veyAol:°of s ai lo u t b h ij e icii et Bill for Abolishing the Office of Sur.' ~ London. e"" d PettyCustuini in the Port of AND AUSTRIAN OFFERS OrMEDIA . . 'FION. • • . „Mr. *WHITBREAD gave atorice, t! at on this day iu t r i tnielit he should.subnlit to the House some R e 7 I‘`;'4lions, involving an ()pinion on the conduel of his. Ministers in respect to tile offers of made by the Emperor of Russet and , tile .4ri-, - p a rer of Aust r i a , w i t h a to the restoration of ta ce betwee n G reat Br i tain and Vraoce; and also .s I.,?! opinion with iespeat to the propriety of opening a • tmeautiation for Peace at the present time. He also ic; notice, that he s h ou ld to - morrow move for cer tn Papers, to.fill,up the chasm ii the information/ sVi beiwe the Ho use , relative to t hi s subjed, and ti f t o lieularly feral Dispatch containing th e su b stance u 4 3 subject held by the Emperor Alexander on 43 subjeot w i t h a peeaon accredited to hi m un th e , 4 1 of his Majesty. to 4 lr. Secretary CANNINS felt himself called upon ta; 4 Y, even now, that any P a p er p urport i ng tocon tGt tne conversation of any Crowned Head, , could witl? ... propriety be laid before Parliament. r • witiTßitu.4l3 said there: had been many in ,„'itees in which st atements o f conversations with Crowned Heads had beeti laid betere Parliament. the Bill for Regulating the Office of "freasurer of ; L ' 44 Nvy, and d the Brazil Trade Bill, were r ea d a int t a ithe, an passed. EXcutEQU Eft BILLS. '1 he House in,a Committee of Ways and Means l 'oied an issue. of Exchequer Bills *to. the amount of 10,60 0,0001.. to replace the same amount issued last / e ll'. The Report to be received to-morrow. ASS EssED TAXES. j i I Q Wein D wialied' to know f rom th e Ri g h t W a y tte(:.'leiticellor of the Exch equer , w h et h er i t lir "s inten t i on to o ile r , w i t hi n a short time, any ; m eto the House on the subjectof the - As- M a k e axes. He had. himself some suggestions to Would with rep to the Income Tax, which lie . reserv e tor the Right: Hon. Gen tleinan's mea . w ir e , 11 the re was any such in contemplation, but lie r iti. <4er them in distinct shape,' if the Bight °ll. Geotleman liaktno such intention. lai ilh e CH N ACELLOR V. the EXCHEQUER d fro ' that nt consequence of th e a lt e rati ons a dOp r ed li lll 6e various suggestions sent to him from a mul-; t'ude of quarters, it h a d bocoons necessary to form inhta provisions lie had submitt e d i n t h e l ast S ess i on „° a new Bill. - This Bill was in prepa r ati on , an d Lough he co u ld not say at what precise: time it could rhlaid before the House, he ‘vould recommend to o lHen. Gentleman to defer his Motion, till he a Li - how tar the Bill would go .. to -meet his-. Ah• WARD acquiesced. ottnFtts OF COUNCIL. PONSUiVIiY conceiving that thei. Papers !clteerning thestate of our relations with America, granted iti the Oilier House, and to be moved fur, Iv a he su PPOsed; granted in this House to-day; I.lid require some time for the perusal; in order to art.ain how they-have borne on the question' re it:1;767114 the Orders in Council, hoped the Chancel- th the Exchequer would have ito objethou to put' Ora er e s s i e n c ,"d reading of the Bill . ter-carrying these k ooday. Lo A effeCt till; 'Thursday, or, if necessary; till Neutral merica was the chief, ft not the only, principally err Power at Present, and as'AMcrien would be viouldr e , e °e( l , every point in which the Orders teirate uno _ r Li her was•msterial to.be consider- The Bill liv er , . 1 1 , 4 besides, was only-now ready for'de then3l', and it was impossiblei selves 1 - 6 Gentlemen could .make Narrow. su ctent y masters of its provisions by to di rinot e CI LINCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER think the unratified Treaty with America It mould bear on th e question Of the Orders: of Council. All of the utmost 'importance that the Public' th e 1 : 18 eallY, as possible, be put in possession of ve.., particulars of the regulations a nd d u ti es un d er Theeign trade. was to he carried on i n a ll t h e. to ' ti TY of cir cumstances.' The disc uss i on on t h e se repting would turn on the principle which had o r L?itictissed. once before, - and reuired - uo in bo;;_4.',' c, He was 'therefore averse to the post v ernent. z i t. TIERNEY presSed for time. When the t o t it Hon. 'Gentleman- had suffered the Orders-of to. be afloat 'from Nov:' . 1' I, to Jan.' 2 1 t w il l e t,l out calling Parliament together' -to sanction „ ' 33 he did not si c any such tirgentiteCessitynevy r th e the House to proc ee d without reading es4avy Papers or even the Bill itself., Atter 1 , 2° 1e , ttle f ulth . er cooversati o n, i n w hi ch Mr. Ponsonby arguments tot delay, and the Chased= Exeltecqr his for dispatch ; sot ba "`" 4l 's r. Rus e in sit .sort of the latter °D, AN-Mr. W:bitbr4,l. iktayeut;el the fdt4 ~, ITS was d Met, l‘fr. 1 libberts recalled to the' Tectilleetton of the; Hribse,-•that only the Icigality of the Ordth in Coancit had:been discussed on the former 'oight, the pelicyef them, beingby express consent resetved lot , another opportunkty. - .The consent to such an under t iitandititt desired on the pctrt . Of • his Majesty's 114inisfers,i hq the: Chancellor -of the Exchequer, la.vbver, allowed, that it had , been chinned by !,the. Gentler - nen on the other Side, Who had, 'so hir 'its they were conCerhed, discassed the point of He would consent to defer the.' second reading, till Thursday, if the Hon. 'Gentleman would be prepared to come to the Debate that day: bat n 8 longer'd-lay'conld 'he admit. Lord H. Petty argued at sortie length for an extension of the time. He contended also for.the regularity of making motions without giving Holietl for the adjournaient of pre . - ceedingstoMing ph prethaturely. lle was answered by Mr. Calming, who said this had been done only • by the persons who originated the specific measure, or with their consent. Mr. Sheridan commented on this new Order; which entirely turned the old out of doors,•-as equally unfit for nuxlern pra&ice as the old Morality exploded of late on.the other Side. " The questiOn for reading the order of the day was then put, with an understood intention on the part of the Opposition, to put off the second reading till AlOnday. On a division, these appeared, for the Motion 81. Against it 188. On the opening of the Gallery the 'House was found again in debate on the propriety of delaying the second reading till Thursday. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER conceiving that the delay till Thursday had been rejefted by the Hon. Gentlemen opposite, and the delay till Mcin day negatived by the. House, was for proceeding tib nloirow,ns had been originally intended... LOrd TEMPLE, seeing the the HouSe proceeding without a question, moved the question of adjourn ment. The. question being seconded, Lord H. PETTY argued, that thobgh he lOOked upon the sense of the •Hoaseras' decisive against adjourning till Mon day,. the , consent. of the Bight Hon. Gentleman to delay till Thursday, and the reasons of that consent, were still in force. . The 'enkscuLtcia of the EXCHEQUER at length assented to:' the delay till Thursday, on 'the.under ..standing that no torther delay would be required.-- The - question of adjournMent was witlfdraWn. DatttaANELLES'ANDALEXANDRIA. . .111 r. TAYLOR rose pursuant tet notice, to 'enciVe "for Papers necessary to give a proper understanding of tie particulars connected with the Expeditions to 'the. Dardanelles and to Alexandria. The frequent references that had been niade to these transactions, 'in the discussions on the affair of Copenhagen,. to which they had beeo assimilated in principle, ren :detect a more particular investigation of them neces •sary. It was contended, whatever differences there maybe in appearance', and certainly there was great difference in point of execution and event, the prig • .chile of right of .attacking a neutral Power was ex actly the same. But it was not merely to estimate the comparative right and propriety' of these attackS , on neutral Powers, that the Papers he ;was about to mote for ought, to be before the Rouse. it was usual when it had been thought - right to go to war, with a Power before friendly, to make some corn ' munieation to Parliament with respect to the fag and the motives. Now we were involved in a war with Tut key, brought on by these attacks, and no communication what: . .)evr had been made to Parlia metyt on the subject, ,It was no.party motive had inciqced him to brieg.forward this 1110HOLL He was not,connected with any party, and he had commu nicated only with One or two Members on the sub jea; :-Having a short time been resident in Turkey, and,conversant , with the manners of the .people and. their iotachmeitts, his attention wps naturally engaged by the dispatches from his Majesty's Am baSfardrirs and.+Uotnnianders in the Danianelles, and with ,every attention he was able tol;ive. he ,could neither discover why the armament went., nor why it came away. Whatever may be the policy of the Copenhagen Expedition; it'at , least afforded an emi- . tient - example:Of judicious management and able ex ecution, When a transaCtioo of that sort was thought by some to call for inquiry, he could not bring him aelt to think a transaction in which the character of thoNayy, the favourite service of the: country, was • brought in question by ill success, ought to be suffer edto pas without an investigation, which would tix the blame of the 'failure where it ought justly tei TtieSe. were the mothres.which had induced him to bring : this subjed.before the HOLlse. He would ab stain from pronouncing any opinion till the Papers which' were to guide his judgment; es-t that of theiHouse, should beproperly considered. Fla would enumerate shortly the circurostauces .pf the trans actioo 'The British Fleet appeared at the entrance I of the Dardanelles on the 29th of January, taw, While-the thatish Ambassador was stilLat Constan tinople. The British Fleet attacked . 111 u Castles, and ; forced its passage, burning a Turkish frigate. The British Fleet remained twelve days before Con statainoplei and then cinue back the' same way, without doing any thing farther. This situation was one in which no - British Officer would wish to re- or ought to ho stitfered to' 'reniatti, without inquiry. The Papers which he would move for would, go to sheo why the Brit;sll Squadron had gone to the Dardanelles, why it had come away, and what had been done there. He moved, that there be laid before the House a Copy of the Treaty of Alliance, offensive and defensive, between his Majesty and thePttoman Porte, signed at Constan tinople, Jan. 5,1799, by his Majesty's Ministers, Sir Sidney Smith and Mr Spencer Smith ; also a Copy of any' Secret Article of the said Treaty' regu lating the, paisage, of ; the DardaticAles by British ships of war; a Copy of a asp.. xti of Lord Elgin, relative to the Exchange of the Ratifications of the Said Treaty; a Copy -Of any Treaty, existing bet ween the Porte and .Russia on the igth January, 1807 ; Copies of the Letters of the Secretary of State to Mr. Aroinhtiot, his /Viajesty's Ambassador at Con stantinople,' at the time of the British Squadron prodeddingto that place; and of Mr. Arbuthnoes Dispatches after the arrival of the squadrOn; Copies of the Instru6tions issued to Lord Collingwood, and of those issued by him to Sir John Duckworth; a Copy of a. Letter'from Sir Sidney Smith, to Sir John Duckworth, relating to the burning of a Danish ship . in the Dardanelles; and Copies, generally, of all the 'Correspondence of Lord Collingwood, and t he Officers sent- by laial of this service. • Ltard'titsiiis seconded the auction. Secretar'y CANNING, after wfil tin. - a few-a s moments to try if an)' one wind& ritielltrthe other "side, t 'Gen tlemeb There beink*PartitiWrly itnerestsrl `ecl in this subject, tmd therefore nattiftilly suppo4edl to' he AilXiOtt,:,. to take the earliest , :oppdtinnity of tiem livering,. their sentiments, felt hit now called upon, in-consequence'dfitheii-gile'nce, to states - What :1 tits sense of his duty ssiggested to' hint with respell to the thotiOn how of eted. He had said, on a former 'night, that the motion vtR - 4 brought fOrwerd:without 'his knoWledge or cencurrencer the. Hon. MOver had , stated the same thing this nieht: Nor having the'ho noUr of alt aCqiitilittance 'with the . Hon. Gentleman, 'be bad had no means of ascertaining the .nature.of '-the information he meant to call for, till thelion. • Gentletnan did WM the honour-to transmit to him,' 'this morning, a list of ' the Papers he meant to move:, fOr. Since that thoe he had considered and investi-•1 gatb . d all the circumstances as mudh •as the time al- 1 lowed; and be Weuld now state how far it was pos sible and proper to comply with each of • the Mo (*tens. The first Motion, relating to the Treaty, ofl Alliatice With the Porte; there could be 'no diffi cult), df acceding' to. The Treaty was matter 'of public record ana notoriety, and therefore there could be no reserve with respeet to it. Mto any Secret Articite'regalating the Passage of the Darda nelles by British ships of war, he could find no traces of such an article, thnugh he could not say that there WAS in feel no such article. 'On reference to the books of the Foreign Office, it was'found that the Treaty had been for a time taken away by a persoticonneEt- F a With the office, and not returned to the custody of the Librarian, to whom it properly belonged. Till the Treaty was got back, it could hot be ascertained whether there was or was not a secret article of the 'feature alluded to. There could be no difficulty in prodUcing a copy of dispatch of Lord Elgin, re lative to the exchange of the ratifications Of the Trea ty. With respeEt to any Treaty between Russia and the Porte, in force clan. 19, 1807, he did not con ceive how that could be laid before the House. His Majesty's Government was seldom in possession of such copies of the Treaties of threign Powers as could be laid before Parliament, unless when such Treaties were to be made tdte basis of any arrangement here. He was not prepared to say whether the Treaty be tween Russia and the Porte contained any stipulation to which Riatain was invited to accede. But the Treaty was matter of notoriety to be found in all the books of Public Papers, and of course may be refered to without difficulty' in debate. The copies of the Correspondente between the Secretary of State and Mr. Arbuthnot were in the office, .as well as the Official Notes during the transaEtions,in the'Darda nelles, and they may be produced if the HouSe should think proper. Copies of the Orders to Lord Caine.: wood, and from him to Admirals Duckworth and Louis, may also produced. The, letter of Sir Sidney Smith he had not hecn able to find ; but when it should be found, it marbeprOducedas well as the rest. Ho bad thus far gone over the list for the satisfaaion of, the Hon.. Gentleman ,who had made the motion. For himself, he saw no ground for instituting an inquiry under present circumstan ces. •But he Was' persuaded, the House would feel that hii Majesty's Ministers were called upon to give every information, when, the production of all that could be given was called for by the Hon. - Gentle.; men who composed the Administration under which • this transaaion had taken place. He had followed 'literally theorder of the:motions made by the; Hon. Gentlemau.. It was impossible for hint to be aware what view the Hon. Gentlemen opposite sok of the motion. They would state themselves how they *ished to arrange and modify the production of the documents ; they would state when they saw deh s ciencies, and 'how these deficiencies were to be sup- Plied. If no public ipconvepietice would arise, their wishes would meet the most ready compliance. He ' was nit aware . of ;any praElical benefit that could arise to the Country 'from the investigation pro- ; hot afte'r what had beeu ;Jai& on the other side, he did not Teel himself at liberty to dissuade. the House from going into it. GRENVILLB waited for the Right Hon. Secretary to state how tar his sense of public duty would alloy hint to comply with the motions offered. Till he should have heard the Hoff. Secretary's senti ments on,this head, he could not kuow what further • information it would be neceasary for him to call fur by supplementary motion. The Correspondence with Mr. Arbuthnot was extremely voluminous, much of it , no bearing on the question the Holt., Gentleman's speech referred to. He could not say how much of that correspondence may be necessary to giVe the House just.grounds to forte its judgment. When the' Right Hon. Gentleman should have pro s dui* alt ,he intended to give under the motions now made, he should -consider what further . information it would be necessary for him to call for. He agreed with the Honourable Mover, that no opi nion 'ought to be expressed till the House. should have p()S4eriti,k4l, of the proper documents. But he thooglit the Honourable Gentleman differed from his viva rule, and expressed upon tioin'epointa' stronger Opinions than were warranted in the first stage of an enquiry. From the ; change which bad taken place ill bis Majesty's Councils, the llue Mi nister's bad not the advantage ofbeiug in .possession of 'the Papers principally relating 'to the transactions in the Dardanelles, and therefore .they could not know what these Papers contented material or im material toiheir cause. Inrthe Admiralty, from the' peculiar tnanuer in which the business , wasoarried. op formally_ by the Board in general, but often con fidentially by the First Lord alone, who was gsine rani, a — Member of the Cabinet, and who often did not think it necessary to communicate, to .the.. Beard what he did. Thus a correspondence frequeutly pass ed between the First Lord and t Cowmandel:of an Expedition, which was not Communicated to the Board. Having been himself in the situation of First Lord of the Admiralty at the time of the transactions which were referred to in the Hotiourablv Gentle- . man's motions, he could not ascertain whether 411 , that had passed through his hands Was to be had in the office., But a great part. of the dispatches bad arrived after, and of this .be could kuow nothing 1 Whatsoever. It .would appear by the Report Thomas Louis, who ‘...11 sent to examine the state of the Turkish Fleet, the arsenals and castles of the Dardanelles, on the sth of I),x:ember, that the Hon. Admiral thought the force sent amply sufficient. This was six weeks before the Expedition. He'was anxious to have before the House the Dispatch of Lord Collingwood respeeting this Report, He had iii this view wiltten'tk.'thfr Ward, (A . Admiralty, tOt - ascertain Wheth ra er the per:was in their office. Tl e ie Board returned-for, attwer, that no soth Paper wag to b arid that they doubted wh:ti f te ° r t x tl i ' s t ted li6i .. "f l - I fi e c7 then, sent theM his 'own 'copy, which,; after pressing. : - it as strongly as.he could -Aspen 0101)1 on I puhlte grounds, they twice returned as not. essential ,to any public service; and relating to a transa4ion wholly gone trausaCtion in which Lord .CollingwoOd's con : - du'A may possibly be, implicated, on the ground of sending an insufficient . force, its ,the Dar danelles, could not be properiv.leaked upon with such inditference ; for though be did not meart to throw, any part of the responsibility off him self on any body, yet Certainly Lord Collingwood may be suppesed to have most to do with the sp. pointment .of the rate of force sent. Neither - was it ,respeCiful to Parliament to resist a document so pro.. t per to throw light on a matter, about which an in . - quiry was to be instituted in the House of Commons. With respect to the aggravated statement of attack ing a neutral and an ally in time of peace, it would appear by the instruaioni to ,Lord .Collingwood thefthe attack was - not .to be made on Alexandria p nor any hostile step teken, till our Ambassador Should , have infermed the Admiral that the relations of peace and *lily hadteased to exist. Lord CullingwoOd, being, absent in the Mediterranean, be knew not hoW the House could be put in possession ofthe im portant Papers he had referred to, except in the man ner 'he had proposed, and be left it to the House to judge of the fairness with which he had been treated by the Board of Admiralty.. ,He hoped the House would give bias at least the relief of considering the Paper in his hands as authentic. He hoped the fullest information would be granted, and he c h a ll enge d th e fullest inquiry upon that information. :on which Mr. W POLE explained the grounds the Board of Admiralty had conceived it impossible to main the Papers sent by the Right Hon. Gentles man. The office of Lord High Admiral being exe cuted by Commissioners, it was necessary that all orders should be signed by three of those Commis sioners. The First Lord was unquestionably in the habit of private correspondence with Officers on ser vice-; but no Officer would be justified' in aging on such private communication. Even in the Right Hon. Gentleman's letter to,Lord Collingwood, he had adthitted this, by stating, that his Lordship would receive official instru&ions on the subject. Those in struetions were sent; duplicates of them were now in the-AdmitaltrOffice, and .Might be produced if re quired.- He begged to call to the recolleCtion of the Right Hon. Gentleman, the .praCtice.of the Admiralty when a private communication to or from the First Lord was made official. The First Lord brought it to the Board. It was read by. the Secretary ; a mi nute was Made of the transaCtione an order proceed.. ed upon it, and that document remained in the Office. Surely then, the Right Honourable Gentle man could never contend,. that letters of su old a date; which he had never communicated at all to the Board instil the last four or' five days, ought to be received as official. It was impossible to find a precedent for such a proceeding on the records of the Admiralty Office ; and belted searched nar• roWly fur that purpose. .11 the principle were admit ted, whatlwould prevent any private person, who had belonged to any Board at any period, from sending to that Board any private papers, and insisting upon their being received as official documents> On this sub je& he could appeal with confidence to any Gen tleman who had sat at. the Admiralty Board. There was no disposition to prevent the Right Hon. Gen 'tleman front obtaining his object. He would, tell him how .he could perhaps get at it. Probably Lord_ Collingwood had sent Sir I'. Louis's Report to the Admitalty, in which case it could certainly. be pro duced. If the Right Hon. Gentle Man, in the pleni tude of his power, fancied that he was Lord Liigh Admiral, and that he could a& us such without as. sistence, he wa; very much mistaken. Mr. GRENVILLE explained, and defended himself from the imputation of having arrogated a conse quence that slid not belong to.him. Mr. G. JOHNSTONE deprecated the Motion, as tending to pioduce only crimination, reccintina flora, and bitterness. 'He could see no praCtical good resulting from an inquiry into the conduit of the Gentlemen opposite. • Mr. WlNDlLlMinquired, whether the vindica tion of the late Ministers from the uulounded.ca lumny thatrhad been thrown on their charadtes on the subjed, would not be a practical good resulting from the inquiry. Every body knew that the private letters o r First Lord of the Admiralty could not be authoritative ; but whatbad that to do with the pre- Sent Board of Admiralty's receiving and recording the communications that an Ex-First. Lord chose to make ? thought the office ought to befull. of such communicattjus, and particularly of. such :reports ar that 01 Sir I'. Louis. Lurd ad STLER EAGH, although he did not seep that the inquiry could be of any pratlical yet as the Gentlemen opposite had felt their charge-, tern to be so involved, that they declared it to Ile a duty to them to put Parliament in possession of wail possible information on the subjet, would not stand between them and the produaioti of that information. Afterr - arguing at some length on t 1 impropriety of pressing the Admiralty to receive a private commu nication as an official document, he observed, that if the Gentleman thought his private letter would be useful to his cause, let him come and read it to the. House, and not attempt. to give it that to which it was not entitled, the saalion of a pub lic 13nard. .Adverting to the severe censure which liis Right Hon,' Friend had experienced for having read extracts from official documents in his speech, he `instanced (among many others) a precedent of , such a proceeding by a Noble Lord, at that period a MeMber of the House of Commons (Lord Grey), who, towards the close of Mr. Pitt's Governinens," eh a debate with reaped to military operations, did furnish himself with an extract of a. letter at his (Lord Castlereagh's), which he brought down t o t h e House and deliberately rend. As to Sir T. Lotiis'i letter, he.believed it was now is the Admiralty Of fice. . , Mr. TIERNEY defended his Noble Fi ;owl from the accusation attempted to be,preferred against hitt). Had .he garbled the letter of the Noble 1...0rzi ? Had he endeavoured to give-to k a tueauini,, , which it 'did , not possess ? It was certainly necessai y that h;;;,AL I .. jesty's Ministers themselves sho'nld, come to a:t 114- derstneding on this' subject, for, ; be had beard it stated, that some of them doclared, that to read ei.