The Sun. — London, England, 1809-04-29 00:00:00

, • • , • The private patrons and friend's of the member's, and many Well-known amateurs, were yesterday admitted to a private view of the pictures for the • , ensuing Exhioition. The Duke of GLoUCESTER, • , ,the Princess SorulA of GLOUCESTER, Lord Mut- GRAVE, Sir JOHN LEICESTER, and several other dis tinguished connoisseurs were present. We have the pleasure cf saying, that high as she state of the arts was last year, theprodirtions of the present strong ly manifest a general improvement. The artists of . established reputation fully evince, in utidecaying strength, the merit by which it was acquired,- and there arc very striking proofs of genius in the rising generation. The President has sent three pictures, the I),•st ut which is an animated representation of `PRAY'S Bard. Sir WILLIAM BEECHEY has eight pictures, al! of which are worthy of his pencil, but the chief is a portrait of Mrs. COMERELL and her Daugh.er, which we have before noticed. WILKIE's Bent Day is an exquisite perfoimance, full of cha ., tader and expression, and if possible superior to all his former works of a similar kind. He has another of interior size, but of equal merit, according to its scope. A new artist, named BIRD, has follow ed thetsteps bf WILKIE, with great' success, in an admirable picture entitled Good News. ' A man is reading a newspaper in a country ale-house, and its utreas on the stueral charadera are finely ex pressed. tiorrNEß has smile excellent portraits. His portrait of Sir Grottos BEAUMONT is a faithful and spirited work. OWEN is very prominent this , . year. his portrait of- the Dowager Lady BEAUMONT is one of the best works'Of the present year. Tstom .sot§: has also very much distinguished himself' in some fine portraits, and particutirly in his Distressed Rain Hy. SEE has two animated portraits. To a • .titit sheWs the force of real genius in three pictures; 'two are views'of Sir Jotor LISICESTEIt'S seat, in dif. tereneaSpetit, and the third Spithead. ,NoßTHcaries Portrajt of the bishop of SALISBURY IS a masterly 7,vork. LOUTiIERBO.URG has shewn that his pencil has all its (Omer spirit and vigour. WESTALL has Pnme beautiful works, and so have both the'DANIELS. CALcotT'slandscapea are among the best produc tions in the room. The historical work, by HAY* VON of Plyitionth, is a very promising effort indeed, in that branch of zrt.• appears 'to great advantage,. particularly in 'a Portrait of Sir Jostrx Barrk - s. We have not Space, however, to'mention the srveral works of nitrit which deserve our ap -I)rocatiori, but shall notice them in due•orcler on a fit titre occasion.' THE gni? MATER s. An of account of the loss of the Ship Travers bat been published, from •ivhielt it appears that this Vessel (an extra- East Indiaman) was wrecked on litit of NoveMber, at - five o'clock, A . . M. on a rock detached frtnn the Sunken Island, iu lat, 15. 38.• N. long, 92. 20.. E. All the passengers, officers, and 'company, With ,the exception of six Euro peans, ievenaanete, nod tbreit leascars., were saved, and were received,l)y Captain HlOlll4O, of the Earl Spina+, and,treated with the gre4test huthanity and generosity, they being in a 'state of great distress.— The- vessel struck on the rock about five in the Morning. Two Ships which were in company es caped. The Captain endeavoured to secure' the packets, bur tould not succeed. By seven o'clock th 6 hid all the ladies, passengers, and crew, :with 'be exception of those mentioned, in the boats. The weather was so extivinely squally, and a heavy tlea running, lie thought it not safe to allow more than ninety-three pawns in the launch, she being bo "treMely deep, and eighteen in the cutter; but ordered the jolly-boat back though she was also very crowded ; to 'endeavour to bring off as, many Of those remaining as possible ; which, from their, obstinacy in persisting in not eat Mug without their baggage, the Officer was unable to efiefl,.excepting three. When they put.off; our situation was still knore 'distressing, as Captain FlAwas", of the ilia parch, the senior Officer, followed by tile Earl Spencer, had gone to so great a distance,. that the ShipS.could not be discovered.' In - about an hour and a half they, were descried at a distance of about ten Or eleven miles., The boats shipping much wa ter, kept them constantly bailing, which gave the Captain much apprehension, from the .severity of the *tattier, of their not being able to beach them ; but 'about eleven A. M. we were all safe on board the ikart Spencer. - ' Two of his Majesty's ships were dispatched Several clays afterwards to the spot where the wreck of the Zavers Was left, in the hope of yet affording assis , tance to the whole, or a part of the unhappy people 'Who' remained. As both ..Drowned and Diamond Islands were in sight from them, and neither,of them clistant .up wat d s o f a league,. there is smite chance that a part of the people may be...saved. Diamond Island aboundit with turtle) orx which those,. who may have been so fortunate a; to reach that Island, might for Wine time.sntnist. NADIRS'Or TH PEOPI.6 LEPT 0:3 T tlr: WRECI. • Thonicts Traeev, carpenter's mac j, (;reen, quarter.lnnstes Hoff, Peter Olson, !aeon Berion.i.t, um!, F. Smith, seamen; three Rod Chishunen. 11 EL,IA D. KIL,LICENNY, APT:IL 2.l:—We have infinite plea sure in, comniunicating to tin. public, Iliac Mr. Tis dairs murderer, who is now st:cure in our 'county, has since our last, been fully identified. The 3Sdor of Co r k, who arriv:d here on Tuesoay; reeog 12tzed him as an old tenant of that prison, and Mr.' jam eson, the brother-in-law of M r . Ti s d a ll, k n o ws his brother's boots, cravat, mliptmkrsi chain, and 'seals; which were found on the prisoner —and the Public Will be much gt'atified to hear - that the exer tions of Mr. Delany, the Magistrate who arrested have been still crowned will) still furtitOr sue ; tor on Saturday be apprehended, near Dur row, 'Stapleton, the supposed accomplice of ruvphy 'in the horrid murder, and transmitterflinn to Mary-, borough, escorted by a Police cqnstable, with orders to call an other constables by the, way—'which order lie did not obey ; and, as is supPOsed, WWI duped 4y the - prisoner, incautinnsly, to unbind him, in a l quelY part of the road, where the prisoner mur dered the constable, . and escaped. As Mr. 11, Lilly is, indefatigable, and has some traces of the; 4 esperado's tome, there are must singnive hopes of hts sp , :.vtly retaking hirn. • • 4/4 4,111,-•-1. , • . 1, • HOUSE OF PgERS, AP4IL 28. COMMISSION. • The Royal Assent was given by Commission to a great number of Bills, of which fourteen were Rub. he. The Commissioners were the LORD CtlANctr..- Lon, the Duke of MoNritose, and Lord WAS;- SINGEIAM. • Several Bills were brought up trim the Common , and the Bills on the table were forwarded iu their 'respetaive stages. " ADULTERY. Lord AUCKLAND, alluding to the motion on the subje& of DiVorce Bills, of which he has given no tice for Tuesday nest, thought proper to apprize their Lordships that tt was his intention to proposea clause preventing the parties from marrping. MONSIEUR CHARMILLY. Lord SUFFOLK observed at some length on the clia raaer of Mr. Charmilly, and on the impropriety of employing a person of such a chargler in a Con& dential mission. He should certainly bring fotivard a motion of enstitie against his Majesty's Govern ment for having 'etitployed a person:who, from so many consiclerationit, into which his Lordship en tered, should never have been seleeled to till any confidential employnients. He . should in the mean time wish to know by Whom been sent to Spain, and by Whose 'authority be 'bad been-'etn ployed._ „ - the Eati of LIVERP OOL had aga i n to assure the House, that Mr. Charmilly had not been sent to' Spain by his Majesty's Ministers, much less had he been entrusted by them with any confidential mis sion, or cloathed with any public charatler whatso ever. .How Mr. C. came to be employed in any mission of any sort, it certainly waS not in his power now to explain. Government had not sent Mr. C. out of the country. They _were sometimes under the necessity of sending away foreigners, who might be unwilling otherwise to leave the country ; but they seldom interposed obstacles in the way of those who of their own accord were inclined to quit the kingdom. Lord SUFFOLK, explanation, declared, that in his opinion, it was necessary to ascertain by whom -such n person has been employed, and it was his de termination soon to submit a motion to their Lord ships in.order to ascertain that la6.t. ORDERS IN COUNCIt. Lord GlifiNVl4La rose to refer to a report which . was very generally prevalent, and which asserted that *the Orders in Council reite6ting the Commerce of Neutrals had at length been rescinded. He wished to ask his Majesty's Ministers if there was any foundation for such a repOrt, because, if there. was be could not be too early in .congratulating his Ma 4 jesty's Ministers and the country at large upon this salutary relinquishment Of a system, front which the nation had already suffered so much, from which, if such a system had been persevered in, it must have suffered far more severely ?, Fie had often troubled their Lord Ships with his observations upon, this itn portant point, and earnestly deprecated a continu ance of -a measure, the ultimate 'result of. which would have been the irretrievable ruin of our com mercial; and Consequently of our natienal prosperity. He was more anxious to be accurately informed re spe&ing the grounds of this report ; for if it proved to be without foundation, them he should feel' it his duty again to, direet !heir Lordship's attention to the necessity - Of rescinding theierninoes dikrees. The Earl of Livittroec said, that in the absence of the Noble Earl (Bathurst) to whose department an answer to such a question more particularly.belonged, he had no hesitation in stating that a regulation to,a certain extent would be adopted in, the operatcon of, the Orders in CoUricil to Which the Noble Baron had adverted. He was by no Means, however, prepared to say that these orders Were to be rescinded, or that it was intended tq makeany departure froin the prin ciple upoe which they had Originally been adopted and issued. On the Contrary,ex perience had proved that the most beneficial 'results, .had arisen front the . operation of these Orders, and that More extensive advantages Might still be expected from them. , The regulation now in meditation was one which did not arise from any failure in the expeOed effeet of the Orders irt Council, ,but one. wiliCh Obviously grew 'out of the alterations which hadsinee taken place in the situation of some countries, and to which altera tions it 'was thought expedient to new model the Orders,' but not at all with a view to retract the prin ciple upon which they rested but on. the contrary Most strialy to adhere and Conform to it. Lord Gamqviwi„ would not wish to quarrel with the reasons whith induced Government to rescind or new 'model those Orders in Council. lie rejoiced they were gone .;,,but he did not rise to pronounce a funeral panegyric on thetn He Should only pr."- iiettee 1e to their ?vanes. LOCAL The Order ef 4eing read for the House to resolve itself MIA a Committee-upon this Lord Sumotyrn rose,,and after animadverting on the 'Manner in which 1110,1341 seemed to be. hastened through its stages, begged leave to observe .to the Noble Secretary at•Wor, how necessary it was, nn- der all the circtunstaucec of the country, to make the present measure a constituent: part of that com prehensive „system of military defence, which the present state of things so -imperiously called for.— ,He wished above all that -those respectable; persons, the .Lord Lieutenants of Counties, ,and .the Gentry of the Country, should not .have their zeal cooled .for, t bat branch .of the national defence which .had so long depended, ,and must always continue to de pend, in a great measure upon their exertions. He trusted also that nchnew regulations or plans would be adopted that could withdraw their attention front their other provinend duties,--the fulfilment of which was nut, .perhaps, of less urgent importance and utility. The Earl of f.tven.roet. replied, that it .was the main ohjett of •(Government to assimilate, as much as possible, the present measure, to the spirit and principles of the old milititl„: and he was .happy to he able to acquaint the . - louse, that the- force. al ready enrolled, in conseqnonee of the Bill as it went out last Session, had already an to 110 kips than 105,000 man for England :tad Scotland. Lord S Lt.tc. at; complaiu, a i i the complication . i n which the ctleirore. U';l4 involved, and contended, that the only dia'aence et:n the present mea, . , :11tere was tic.npot ail iii ik and ,military iniproveinent . to which Ihe 'men enrolled has been broi,p , ht. Lord kiA,R,pWICK E . dpropo3cd sore Amendment so . , facilitate the e);ectnion of the 'Bill in certain coon. ties, and Lord Sidmouth shortly ,explained; afto. uhich the ditrerey.t clauses were gone through, and - the report ordered to be iceeiyed on Monday. Account,* were presented. of the ,ditierent tion'a to the Public Debt ; and also a Report from th e Connpivionerf.the Puh.llc,Works in Scotland. Ordered 44 lie on the tabletf,-Ajjourned. 4.1.1•1 . ., 411 . 1 d !OW Li if y HOUSE OF.COMMONS. FRIDAY, APTI 4 28. . . . The SpaAkati, in consequence 'of a Message by the Black Rotl,-having attended the House of Peers, 'an his return acquainted the House that the' Royal Assent had be given, by Commission, to several Upon the motion of Mr. MELT n, the Gas Light Company Bill WAS read a fiecond time, and ordered to be committed. • A person ti-Om the Treaeury presented at the Bar an .Account of the .Anntutt Charge of the Public Debt, which was ordered to. lie Upon the table.. - MANCIIFSTER wATER-vvoims. Sir JAmEtt GRA:fIASI moved the Order of the bay 'for the third reading of the Mancheiter Water works Bill. • Mr. PArrarr moved that it be read a Third time on this day six months. A long discussiou.ensued upon the Merit's of the Bill, which was supported by Mr. H. Browne, Mr. S. Stanhope; Str J. Hall, Sir 0. Moseley, and Gen. Tarleton. The principal ground on which .they, cOnte'rided in support of the Bill Was, that it was a measure 'highly beneficial to the town of Manches ter, .as teasevidenf tom the petition in favour of it, signed by 666 'of the most respeaable inhabitants of that town, whereas the petition against the, measure was only backed by 250 signatures. On the other hand, Mr. Curwe'n, Sir R. stele, Mr.' G. Johnston, Mr. Blackburh, and Mr. Hibbert, contended that it was a meannre which Was forcibly attempted to be thrust s upOn the inhabitifUts of Mancheiter to gratify the private views of an itidividual, and that notwith , standing the greater trornbe'r of names were' to the petition in favour tiG yet the most independent sig - - natures were attached to that which .prayed against the Bill. 'The petitioners in the first case were in fluenced by the person principally interested (Sir O. Moseley) whose tenants they were; but those in the other case acted only from their conviction, that it was a measure which Would be' attended with great public disadvantage. 4. The question being called for, strangers were or dered to withdraw. • A divisen took whea the numbers appear ed tope— In favour of the' I3iil - 98 .Against it ; Major i ty BLACKFRIARS SUNDAY TOLL. Upon our re-admission Mr. HanasaT was on his legs, in consequence of the House having entered upon the Report of the Blackfriars Sunday Tull Bill- He spoke 'at some length in reprobation of this. Toll, which he considered as extremely injurious to the inhabitants of the metropolis, so far as it deprived them in a great measure, or at least imposed severe restrictions on their indulging those jtmocept recrea. tions so necessary after the fatigues of business, He concluded by moving that the amendments be read a second time on this day six months. DAVIES GIDDY defended the Bill, on the ground of this toll being instituted to compensate those Gentlemen who had expended their capital un this public work. Mr. Home Struxsn mioke in favour of the Bill. Mr..Caot*.ex and Mr. S. Boutma both oppos. ed it. The (location being pnt, the Bill, with it Amend ments, *as ordered for a Second reading day six months. The Bill was consequentiy Mi , , , WlLlisitFoi t ca obtained leave 'to bring in a Bill for the purpose of registering and wcuring alb Charitable Donations granted to the Your through out Great Britain. A message from the Lords declared their Lord. ships' CODCOrretlee with the - Scotch Ikea?ds, xtud Navy , Compassionate List Bills, together with several others of a private nature. The bian .ADVOCATE'of SCOTLAND, agreeably to the . notice of a motion which hegave on a former night to that etfea,- obtained, leave to bring in a Bill for the establishment of a pertnatielit Local Militia in-Scotla,id. • ... Mr. WIIITIMEAD said he was desirous tube in formed by the Right Hon. Gentletnan opposite, whether the Orders in Council atletting our Trade with America had been as yet rescinded ? Tito CUANCItI..t.uR tit the EXCI,IEGURIt acquainted the Ron. gentleman that they were not toodly so, but that• they were r.!seiticitti coo certain extent. ARMY EXTKAOJWINARIVS. • • Lord H. PKTTY slid, that in rising to address the r •Hbuse, he called upon Geotlemen to 'give; their :4- Winton to a questioo which so bearly involved their Most valuable privileges, ! -The; priociple by which the appropriation' the'ptblie Money- to particular iervices was to be accattoted' for, the Noble 'Eord stated to.b&H principle' Which :since the Iteviilttiian had been uniformly acted uvon io that House. The Noble Lord stated, that 'in last May and the subse ituent month, during the sluing of Pat - hat:item; and -some time subsequent to its prorogation, sums of; money had been granted to a foreign Minister for ertain.purposcs, with 'whit;, House''was' not made acquainted, The ChevalieiSonta de Cou tin° had in the month of 'May obtained an issue of, 50001. for the purpose of Conveying the Portuguese emigrant families to the Brazils. This issue was re peated to the same ;lithium ill successive months, till ! it-hadanadea total of es,otitH. He did not mean to speak as to .the expediency of those issues. His Majesty's Ministers had adbrded him no iniormation on the subject but he, tot' his parr. could not dis cern any. greunds :vhich would justify the applica tion of tbat,surn in such, a way as it bad been ap !plied,' and ptirticularly witt,oc,t any compldnicatton being made to the .140*e of Cosomoivi .upoo the: subjoet. teas from this CUIIVI:1100 that he would • st4baiit*to that House sydeciargtory resoNtioh, viutitt3tting the privileges ef tins House on the appraprtat ton or gems grantoi for . The; spirit rind principle, -.oft! Whiefi our therso}had acted at the peri; al: •of the, Revolt:a ionf * were .by no ,merurs speeuktive,4 they, %,vere.,.the effet of a pradical. lessors', ii :had been taught to them- by the struggle :of a eentery with, their Government on the : stibjed ,of aboses.. .AO7. . 1 !ilr'• • paten:: from, 'this principle eatahlished by ilierri was, tie contended, a dei - iation front , 'the 'Jaw of the land, an .onlv-to• be jri,tified by Not'cial circumstances- of, neccisily, lee ..aid ,:not .believo that circumstances were so • imperiOnsly: pressing a's' to e'ender it a matte of inconvenience tift pequaint, Parliament of the purposes for whicit ;the ab ive is sues were granted during the two months t hat' Par.; liament was sitting. It would be round that all cases upon record, of exception to the obset'venee'of the general principle he had • stated, were castcf.` far inferior import to the present time, The cask of exception, which occurred on the 13th of May, `llll, was only one .where.a transfer was• made of • money voted for a partictllar service to annther, for which ,a sum had 'been equally voted by Perliament; but here was a case wbete money, granted for par, ticular purposeS, .was d;re6ted . to one which 'llnd ne ver been, voted by that House. He should net, he' hoped,' be told, that in consegtienCe, of the . inereised public services of our extended possessions, and the long wars in which we 'had engaged, there could be any difficulty in adhering to the old constitutional, principle. The presentwavan instance of exception justified by no necessity or pretence in that way..-4 In proportion as it would become necessary to relart from, enforcing what were the ri3lits of the people. , , ' he considered that it becirne tiecessary to watch the - progress - of those exceptions., and prevent them' from overturning the orh.-iital principle. No such thing as a vote of credit existed previous to the - year 1727. The subject when introduced, occasioned jealousy violent. and -discussion in . that House, and different protests in the other. They conceived th it the vesting of such a:grant in any men woe dbe • doing away the wisdom of Parliam en t, i n th e a ,pr.).l priat ion of the public money to the necessary 4ery tees. In consequence of this jetftilonsy the limitation.; were imposed, which had been since continued. An in-. stance of misapplication of the Army Extriordinaries was indeed, he said, to he found in that genial nil of•abuse, the Atitericah War. Upon that subject, a Committee in . 1752, deelared ' that the insenion of Certain serviees•:to the Array Extraordinaries, With- out the connt of Pailianeoit thereto,' wa4, as he had . himself termed it, in hi,-; Resolution, ti an in vasion of the rights-and pri:ile4cs of rh:s' Hout:! of Commons." The atiYanceir made by Mr. Vitt,' in the year 1796, to the Emperor of Austria, Inont,rti contrary to law, as it was ' un k nown to the Ftens4 and made doting s';ffing,-enuld not be Considered, upon the whole, as an unjustifiable' proceeding. The state• of the publie'Credit at that period, desred.it necessary Owl those advances should not he 'generally knoWn.- The Noble Lad did not consider that the smallness of the - sums -11) those dirM . ent isiityes should , be referred to, it'conld net 'with re.t'son tend to' make the House-less jealous, than it the' aunts had been much greater. He considered that there never was a 'ease'stiore calculated to prat. duce a reprobation of that p'rin'ciple, :ratitcr attrad the set;llus-Wention of the House. The Nuble Lord •eunoluded by moving the folio* ng' Resolut ion 't ' , ;Resolved, 7 That nit applicatitia of any appropiiited unappropriated sum or sums of money to any particular set, vire, during the sittiog at tortrilatu;at, vviotit reterenc: thereto, respelling the issues matte, and the ' services, tar • .whica,they.wera gran' ad, a thicir itiß:ation or thy public money, cootrAty to theja4..komvlctlgoti rights, and inviidit4 the privileges or Parriarrient." The CHANCELLOR of the El f urtootta :int mean' to deny the priyilege4 which the 1\7 0 1 ) 4/ Lord had contended, , Het 01..sved that the Nuble Lord's speech had opened a tit iii of Ito:NAL:tot; cline.. Whole of the - la4t ceotory, wherein die prin.« ciple far - which he contended h-id been . re%triined OS! faeti.'" The principal objeCtiOn wbi„sh i ie Noble Lord had made to tne issti sto ;jio was, that they were nice during the sittiog of Without its knowledge. - If ParliainM had nut ben • the measure wOrtict be con,idered as a 'right one; and not Lable to any: , objeztion.. fluWever the Noble Lord may be 'dispos . eil tea think on the contracy, yet he would tairend . that there Were pre cedenta of issues arising out of ateothly po:..otittt', tai ghlarly made under the 'stone' Cirr'ontitatices ther 'as the isseea which for'ine • d Coe of bite: H(1 w ould net Ifaiik he Noble . Loyd ta13g414 that he 'stated it itt'','ani way invidiously , bet he shotild say that 140 - 8146e' thirrgsh:il: licOrt do 1•“;! by the Noble Lord fliniteir duringht ttou trout itiet~ .. He Would not by any theinis .. to ad otherwise WOUlallotlb geitei'al 'be iineiided with great incohvenieece. Ile would refer Gen t nt deen to the documents, •'ul A reiri they find that the issues n - eide t chhiti*.ry on the 20th - of 'May ' And Jane, to ' tr.e Chevalier de`.souza, for the relief' of ocekljt-liilio as' had emigrated hillier ft e tri 'Perthgal;: Would lto found a legit:mate ankle' o(tlie Army trior ; :li ottries. .Tilt. Pornigo*: .I\litest'er, fit CorI9IOQI*IOt of his applicutioO,, had:bbtained` t the pairpose of soiiot t lig an ,t his e,)o', i 't l 4t for those , Unhappy pei . sOns Who - hcatl d'icaped front the tyranny of Fr, wee to their,owit, - 11.tits,I;61 these sums being granted' to the'Mitilstr,- lirey,.had betiCtnade Over to a iorrenissary tor Thai purpose, no objet4l - 1 - Would 'lac ii'`:lde neces .iii s the unlivpy 'ti.itiiV's"l4.l.o4:4;Uki fly inth 'obi-leainv." 'eonteticted:'lltin 'any expellee incideetal' to conduCt. of the war,2 te.o 3 l'. 4 i.'e 'be, enemeiiited artiong the Arms ''EitraOrdikties. This was attendant on the coiwie of hlit tsmlr r ',and went towards' relieving our disfreed it ihoUld be - therefore considered' among ,; the 'Army pttraordinariesL Therefore, the 01:eeetioni "Of ehe "Noble Lord as to thutipecitiO ;I;pt . o . priati ' were, • be . conceited,entirely removed.; ; He ro a,dt of the Noble Lord, whether he - reeaiteto, to the length of'`simy Es that there :dior:ld be i:ogra.:t. - made from the .4rot trtiordinai'ie tHlti; voted? When tti Lo :I a, in. ,file,?, must have felt that a great' inctetveei(::ece 'trotted by following this eystetu e. he. e sary to make 'grants flOquehtty at iitl tYily of the Be,ksion. The Noble Lord (onto ni.e serious when hi said this should et- tire utiivrel pre, tiec Nl:my cases at:matte"' which r, - neer v e . absolutely 'necesSery to felloW anothei'eoure. was to be done with the numerous lints wil,elt every dt.ty coming to - tor paytrient to the 'Treaite . , ?• 'this sweeping yesolOtibo c7t the Niitile told render it impossible to 'ea as Vit'utild be absvlta,,,,,