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t, 410, from whkin if the former sum of 901,0411. was de there %you'd retruno the kunt,of 259,0931. .?- plicable to the Ways and .I\4ean4'of the present year. The Charges upon Ireland for the present year were,' Interest and Sinking. Fund of ith,e,Debt 3,409,9921. ,r.nd her quota towards the general i 4penditure of the Empire was, in Irish currency, 6,357 ,5581. making t0gether'9,767,5501. a very large suns for Ireland. Towards providing that sum he should take the Re venues and Extraordinary Resourses for the year at 4,800:001. This was the amount of the Revenues y-ar, and .there was no reason to apprehend a diminution this year; on the contrary, it. had rather increased. There had been raised, by way of Loan in England, two millions and a half, snaking, iu Irish currency, 2,708,3324. and there-Was raised in Ireland 2,000,0001. making' together 4,709,3321. AB these sums, together with thesurplus 01259,0931. which 'he mentioned before, would make the Ways and Means 9,767,4251. which was as near as possi ble to the supply required. • 14e then proceeded to state that, the interest and Sinting Fund for the Loans in Eqgland and Ireland would amount to 280,4661. 'ITo provide this sum he should nor, have recourse to a number of small artic;es of taxation, but should go ,at once to a source front whii h the sum might be raised without ma terally affecting the lower orders of society. It was perlectly known that in Ireland it had been the prac tice of the distiller to evade the Malt Duty as much as pi•ssible, by the use (gravy corn ; to prevent 'hit, he should propose that all raw corn used by the dis tiller should pay as 'malt. This regulation be esti mated' would produce. 333,3341. He should also propose an increase of duty upon the importation of foreign spirits, which he estimated would pm duce 22,5001. These two sums, together with the 75001. Ira the management of the public debt,which the Bank of Ireland had, agreed to give up, would make 303,334 L leaving, as the Committee would perceive, a considerable surplus. `There were certain arrangements dependent on the measure now before Parliament, relative to the Dis tillation from Sewn., w:th whicb , liiiiitauld not then trouble the Committee, GENERAL RECAPITULATION. LOA,: too. lILILAttIt, Irish Money. Intekst and Sinking Fund. a,705,332 burrowed in England - £ 1 59,9 - 4 z0N),..c0 ditto in Ireland , izo,s6: 4,70 3 ,3i 2 Annual Charge £280,466 Ways and Means for raising the said Charge. ts. J. per gallon on Spirits Nine made • on 6.003,0e0 galluns - "' kce , e,oeo Declua ono third for Malt - - 1660,66 ----- 333,334 u: ies on Imported Spirits 400,000 gallons, at 134. one-third per gallon Saving on Bank Management 22,50 p 7,500 Dcdua char as above •£3 6 3.334 280,440 fiurplus t 5,868 Charge on sth lan. !lot Unfunded Debt 'Treasury bills Retuainb due to Inland Canals flow t I". 4 rhuu r ftrat FilUt3 Other Articles • 2 9,5i7 - 40c,000 ' 21 5,4 8 4 6,c00 9:1„, 50,0G0 • .rl:.+; ••• 2-00,000 Discharge. Loan ilopplied lialarice -Excheluer, Tan. s, 4v4041 Drat:4 Charze, as above 8 7 1 ;999 298015 1,17 .t 34 9 0 f,041 Sy, plus to be carried to Ways and Means for 1802 ,C 2 9,093 Interest and S:nkingFurdofDebt . . 3,409 992 Quuta of Expellee tor the year 6 057 , 50 0,468,51 i - 9,7679550 Annual Means for ILL Revenues and Fxtraurdwary Itebourc4„: . 4,800,000 LiJail rals,:d in Inland '1;600000 ? GrAn. Britain . S 4,7 08 ,33 2 541{,1us as alma 259,093 £9,767,425 Mr. FOSTER then moved the following Res°lu tionti:-- " That the sum of 750,0001. Irish currency, he raihed (or bid Majesty, towards the supply, of the curr,ot year, by means of annuities, fur the service 01 f"fhat kis the opinion of this Committee, that every contributor of tool. be entitled to 32.51. annui ties, at the rate of 31. I os. per cent. payable and ttansferable at the Bank of Ireland, and taken out of the Concldated Fund of Ireland. That towards raising the supp;y, there be charged upon every barrel of barley, or any other ground or unground, to belitade , into malt, a duty of los. fPhat, upon every gallon ottifiba-vita!, or strong water, wade from said malt, itrq*land, above hy drometer proof, a further duty of%blii.; That there be charged upon iivery six gallons sof ditto; opt intended for exportation, a duty of 30:1, •, That there be charged upon every gallon of spirits distilled in Ireland, which shall have been in the stock of any distiller, Brc, from the 10th of June to 29112 September, 1808, a duty of is. td. 1-3 d, above all other duties paid upon such strong •waters or spirits.." _ A similar Resolution, as to the Irish spirits in the stock of lieencecl retailers in Great Britain. That there be charged upon every gallon of rum, brandy, or geneva, in the stock of licensed persons lu Ireland, subsequent to the 10th of June, 08,, a defy of is. id. 1-ad over And above all oilier duties." "A similar duty of Is. td. 1.34 upon every gallon of Irish spirits warehoused in *eland, and intended for home consuoiption. _ " That therethe a drawback of 2s. 81d; upon rtiery barrel of beer or ale imported into Ireland. "• That the duties or drawb.icks upon spirits ex.- ported or itupo!ted from the one country to the pther shall cease and determine. " That there be charged upon every gallon of spirits distilltd hom corn or grain, in 'lreland, front I to' tO over hydrometer p' out, a - duty of 58. Bd. per, galiou. . • . • " That there be charged upon every gallon of 'fish spihts imported into England, not exceeding from t to i o over hydrometer 'proof, a countervail- - ing duty of 7s. tod. 2-3 d, and upon all Irish .spirits exceeding that proof, a duty equal to the highest duty already imposed upon the strongest spirits." 'rues- liesoluti,,us were agreedkw-alter a short discosoun on Cie terms al titel.ti s rsli Batik Loan, - Neere objected to by Sir ;IPMNitrout and Mr; PARNELL, and defended by Mr. FOSTER and the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. _ Sir J. NEWPORT inquired into the state of the ColleBors' balances. Last 'year they had increased 60,0601. He did not attach blame to this circum stance, but he wiThed to know what prospect there was of their being reduced. Mr. FOSTER replied, that every regulation on that subject had been hitherto emforced•without effeet. All possible steps were now taking to reduce the balances, and he had great hopes that before the next meeting of Parliament that object would be in a great measure accomplished. • The House having been resumed, the Report was ordered to be received to-morrow. Mr. FOSTER obtained leave to bring in the four following Bills : A Bill for better Regulating the Granting of Per mits, for the Conveyance of Exciseable Goods in Ireland. A Bill for further Regulating the Warehousing of Spirits in Ireland, for Exportation. A Bill for Regulating the Collection of the Duties on Spirits distilled in Ireland. A Bill for 'Regulating the Colle&ion of the Malt Duties in Ireland. CURATES' BILL. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the Order of the Day for a Committee on the Cu rates' Bill, On the question that the Speaker do leave the Chair, Mr. WESTERN objeeed to the measure, as calcu lated to interfere without any cause with the lixa perty of the Church, which was as well entitled! to the proteclion of the law as any other, and likely to affect the independence of the Church,_ as well as to countenance unfounded clamours against beneficed Clergymen. Mr. W. WYNNE supported the general principle of the Bill, inasmuch as it went to provide an tide-. quate income for the resident officiating Clergyman, Residence was the duty of the Reolor, and it was due to the parish, that the officiating Clergyman should have a sufficient provision to enable him to live as a Gentleman. If the Re&or accept a second benefice, it could not be a hardship upon him to make a proper allowance to the Curate who dis charges the duty in the parish in which he does not reside. Mr. CIIIIEVEY contended, that the Bill .before the House was a dire& violation of property, which was now for the first time to be ailed upon. He had no objeetion to increase the allowance madelo.Corates. twelve years ago in proportion to the alteration of the value of money and the rise of times since, and con tended that any allowance over that proportion was nothing less than a downright robbery. This At~} was a confiscation of Rectorial property, whilst the authors of the measure would not dare to touch the Lay Impropriators or the Bishops. The University of Ceimbridg,e, the University of Oxtbrd, and the Clergy of the City of London, were against the mea sure ; whilst no Petition on the part of the Curates had been presented in favour of the Bill. This mea sure was only supported by Societies in fart hostile to the established Church, the Foreign Bible, Society, the dealers in Missionaries, and the Suppression of Vice Society. Mr. BURTON was not a member of any of theite reprobated Societies, but a firm supporter of the'et tablished Church, and yet was a friend to the prin ciple of this Bill, though there were some clauses of it which he hoped would undergo modification. He was surprised to hear Gentlemen assert that this Bill Was a violation of the property of the Church, and argued ably, and at some length, to she.v, by refer ence to the history of this Country, that it was the praaice of the Legislature to regulate from time to time the salaries of Curates and the incomes of Vi cars: Gentlemen who talked of the case of the Rectors seemed to forget that ther.e was another par ty, for whom, and for whom alone, both Rectors and Reetories were created, the parishioners. Mr. LUSHINGTON could not agree with his Hon. Friend (Mr. Creevey) that this Bill was a violation of property. To hear the arguments against this Rill, one would suppose that the property of sthe- Clergy rested upon the same Krounds 34 private pro . . • perty. Upon the abstract principle, their property was equally entitled to protection ; but they had du- • ties to perform, and if they did not petfortn them, the Clergymen who did, ought, if possihle, to be adequately provided for. He had a long connection with the University of Oxford, and he knew tleit no considerable objection to this Bill existed there, though there were some provisions in it which were not approvid of there, and which be hoped would be modified in the Committee. Mr. WILLIAM 411111TH, though lrnt a member of the Church of England, was a friend to this Bill, and, thought that no nteaiure of this kind, which he had known, was more likely to' interfere wilt the in terests of the Sectatists. He Contended that the Revenues of the Clergy were given in tTustfor the performance of their clerical duties. Auy obje6tion he felt to the measure arose from the powers to be, given to. the Bishops, which would endanger the in dependence of the Chureh. ' Lord MILTON thought they ought to be cautious of interfering with Church property, but yet was of opinion that that ropefty resembled not a free* hold so much as a species of copyliold, to which certain services were annexed, and which would 'be forfeited for non-performance of those services. He objected to the powers to be given to Bishops, who were dependent upon the Crown,. because they would by theie powers. have tire Clergy dependent upon them, whilst the parishioners would again•be influenced by them. Mr. WARD said he should riot then oppose the' Bill, but that he wished a clause had been intro duced into the Bill, reqUiring the Rectors to ap point Curates who understood the nature of their avocation, and possessed merit, as he had known an instance of a' Methodist Preacher who had origin ally been a bricklayer's labourer set up in opposition to the established Minister, and triumph in the ma jority. Ire brought to hear him. Sir 'FRANCIS BURDIITT objeaed to the Bill, as an uncalled for interference of the Legislature with the property of the Church. He had another objection to the Bill, .because It afforded no remedy • fie the grievances which it pointed,out. It was unwise in the Legislature to satglion the opinion, Iliat wealth was necessary, to renler Clergymen respeetable, when, on the contrary, they should att upon the principle of making honourable poverty respeetable. It was the existence of poorer orders Ciergyme n whowent amongst the people, andiofficiated from zeal, not fbr profit, that the Catholic . Religion had taken such root in the countries where it was esta blished. From the little he had observed, they were not the rich Clergymen that were most respected. This Bill did not provide for the better performance of the duties of Clergy - men than at present, and the grievance which it pointed out, arose from the neg lea of the Bishop in admitting improper persons into the Choral. But why were not Bishops themselves compelled to reside on their Secs, as their attention to their pastoral duties was indispensable to the wel fare of the Chnrch ?—He recommended to the Gen tlemen who supported this Bill to pause before they acceded to its interference with the Church property; the next step would be to interfere with Lay Pro- prietors. Mr. MANNERS SUTTON expressed his surprise at the statement of the Honourable Baronet, rt.speCting the negleet of Bishops, in admitting improper per sons into the'Church. There was no point in which so much improvement had taken place respeding the Church, even within the last twenty years, as in the arrangements made ter the examination of per sons, Candidates for Holy Orders, in order to secure the admission of proper persons. _ _ _ _ Mr. WILBERPOK6B considered it as the first re commendation of this Bill, that it would tend to provide adequately for persons at present suffering the extreme of poverty. The Honourable Gentle man then advanced a variety of other arguments in support of the measure. He argued from former precedents, that there would be neither undue in fluence on the part of the Bishops, in carrying this Bill into effect, nor undue submission on the part of the Clergy ; as a decided friend to the Church of England, he was a decided friend to this Bill. Mr, WINDHAM. deprecated the praaice of the last Speaker, in imputing the :conduct pursued by those who were in opposition to his sentiments to total Ignorance, or total inditlerence with respeCt to the interests of the Church A spirit of charity to wards Roman Catholics, or other Sects, was by no means a mark of ignorance or indifference with re aped to the superior value of Protestantism. The present Bill was calculated to do much injury, and little good. It was called for by no public feeling. The evils which the Bill went to remedy, it real, must have been of long standing : yet, strange to. tell, they were now, f u r the tint time, complained of. The Bill would set the Curate against the Reaor,. and. the Rector against the Curate, and would place the &shop in the invidious situation of being umpire between both. it went to a lter the condition and property of the families o f the Reaors and Curates. The sacredness of Church pro perty was invalidated by every additional instance of legislative interference, though certainly the Legislature had a right to exercise such inter ference. The Church 'was more in dinier from the doarines that accompanied this Bill, than from the Pope and the College of Cardinals, not dispersed and wandering, as be was sorry they were now, but in the plentitude of their power. The conduit of some Gentlemen in tins case re minded him of what Swift said in hii Letter to the Bishop of •Sarum; that he Old not admire that sagacity that smelled nut Popery at five hui.Jred miles distance, and did not discover ransticisni under its • nose. Mr. WILBRaPORCE explained. • Mr. M. A. TAYLOR contended that the evil ex isted, and that remedy was called for. There was not .a sufficiency of resident Clergy to do the duties of the Church. The income of the Curates did not keep pace with those .of the Reaor, nor with the circumstances of the times. Hence, one Curate Was often obliged to serve two or three parishes; and thus baptisms and 'burials 'stand over till cer tain fixed days. Church property was given on the condition of performing the duties of the •Chumb, and the Country load a right to provide. for the performance of those duties out of that pro perty. .In a village near his residence,' the duties .of the Church had not been performed by a Clergy man for three years. The con,equence was; that a Blacksmith came to him for a licence to perform .the duty (a laugk,) The CHANCRLLOR of the EXCHEQUER contended, that there ',vas an ,urgent necessity for the Bill, and that the provisions contained in it were in stria conformity with the principles and usage of our ancestors. The Bill - was most favourable to the in terests of the Church and of Religion, and most un favourable to Sedaristn. He vindicated the exem plary conduct of the' Right Rev. Prelate who had been alluded to, (the Archbishop of York), in the exercise of his patronage. He allowed that some provision for the poorer Curates would still be wanted; and he, for one, should be ready to enter tain . any proposition that may be brought forward to that effect. He thought it a great dele& in the original institution of lay impropriations that provi siun was not made under the controul of the Bishops for the performances of the religious duty. But this could not be mended by interfering with lay lin propriations -at the present time. He proposed to 'withdraw the motion immediately before the House, with a view to -move an'instrudion to the Commit tee to extend the provisions of the Bill to Ireland. Sir JOHN NeWPORT- gave his hearty concurrence to the Bill, as a general measure. The L4slature was intitled to make.provision frOm therevenue the bigher.order of livings, in the performance of the duties of religion, having but two years since relieved the holders of these livings from the penal ties of non-residence. The Camiceu.on of the EXCHEQUER, and Sir Lim NEWPORT, mutually explained. The instruction moved by the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER wag then agreed to. On the question for the SPEAKER'S leaving the Chair, Lord PeRcHESTER stated, that neither the men. 'sure before the house nor-any other was called far, , and went over the same grounds with Mr. Wind- ham in opposition ,to it. Mr. TYAWIIIT Jousts wished the Bill to go into a Committee, that it may be put in the most perfect form. Sir C. PRICP, was fearful the measure might pro duce a schism between the Incumbent and the Curate, and could not therefore but be adverse to tha principle °film Bill ; should it however go into a Committee, he hoped it 'might b e f u ll y and &liner-, eiteV ciAsuestxl, The question was then anxiously tailed flit; ana the House divided on the question that the Speaker do now *aye the Chair, .251:. Ayes r ;t- --Noes 27. The House then resolved itself into a Committee on the Bill; iiilt*rt it was moved by the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHULUER, that Ireland be included In the operation tifi'tfie Bill. This Clause was warmly opposed by Mr:Stretidan, Sir J. Newport, Lord Milton, Mr. Tierney, &c. who contended that as far as the Clergy o f Ireland were concerned, a separate Bill should be brought forward, as the circumstances respeaing the Clergy in the two Kingdoms were in many respe6ts mate rially different.' . . The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUEi,"Sir AR' THUR WELLESLEY, &c. argued in tavour of the Clause ; when the House divided : Ayes . . . If Noes . . IS The Committee next proceeded to discuss the other clauses, which called forth a variety of obser vations 'and amendments from Lord Milton, Lord Porchester; Mr:Tierney, and Mr. W. Wynne, on the one sidtili and from the Chancellor of the Ex chequer; Wei Attorney-General, on the other.i—• After which the House adjourned. GO7TENBURGH MAIL. , Gorman;itort, MAY 30.—Some persons striVect here to-day from Hainburgh, which they left 00 the 14th instant, and state, that . the last English letteM Which were brought thither from Heliaolarni , rwore not only seized, but the persons to whom they:nem addressed arrested, and the bearers of thorn banged., All intercourse with England and Sweden was h' bidden, upon, pain ofdeat!). • , ir The English Expedition, commanded Py JOHN Moods, still lies in our harbour, waiting or: des from England. A fete , days since the Tribune Frigate sailed froln hence Convoy for the Baltic, three of whic4 were taken L by the Danish Gun-boats, near th e Sound. , By adtr" frotb Xonigiburgh, received lot' we Irani t tat the whole Prussian army nujrlY , banded, and that the soldiers have retired their homes;' not more than 5001) remain of alio . . once great and nourishing force. r STOCKHOLM, MAY 25,—His recrive 4 yesterday the tolluwing, Rerort from ,14Ovile re ' Baron ANCKARWARD, touching the transaCtionsi" ,, the Island of Gothland ; • REPORT. " I received this moment by Assessor DOBlllgo 2 Report from Admiral Baron CHDRRSittord, 'bat your • Majesty's Fleet, consisting of. thrve Sail of the Pneo two Frigates,.two armed Bri g s, the Yacht Fori una * and severaPl\ - ansports, dropped anchor, on the f 41 1 k. instant, u SA'6ll,seek Road, and that the same o' o ' lug :he Swi6ll - troops, infantry end artillery, we re disembarked On the following day, the istl). 0 " rived in Wid.ley, a Swedish flag of Truce, with 6 he annexed Articles of Capitulation, which were je e r the i (Mi. The Swedish Van Guard, compdi eu n ° chasseuri, entered the town the 17th, as the AT slim troops had already marched to Slit°. Chief of Brigade, Lieutenant•Colonet Baron 1141. WOOD, marched with the main body to Slat', oil count ot the Russians having, Contrary to the Cr paulation, spiked several guns,'spoiled a large quart'' City of gunpowder, and nut paid the debts waich they had bound-. themselves to' discharge".. • ins 18th, Admiral Baron CEMRSTROM intended IQ weigh anchor and proceed to Slim, in order to pro' wail on Admiral BODISKO to fulfil tile terms of. lo .•• Capitulation. I . Assessor Dussit's Report to me, is clat— MO 18th instant." ARTICLES kiiATIVE TO TIE EVACUATION 'Of *lll IMF OF GOTHLANP. • I. Ifisjokfrerial Russian m a j est y's tro ops are 1 ° evacuate-the Island . within two (14 4 and to deli ° I to his Swedish Majesty's troops all emi t 4 111111 L :: nition, and artillery which they brought wiith`th ea : " or took in the Island. The y• are to give b the lear of honour, that theY will not serve beinre expira!ion of a twelvemonth, against 'the s. lll g ° Sweden or his Allies. • - • • 11. .All eitbf:ts and magazines, of whatever ram" or description, which belong to the Ktttg ut 64 :e d `' ;fr i, and walk!) have been cousnmed by trio troops, shall be paid for, and the value of all requ i. sitiontivhieh . May 'have been enforced, - shall :?1 ,6 made good,. . l'lmAnssiar; troops are to take with •111 01 ) all their effiAs and property, and to march r° Slito ; they fife there to embark on board the SAL", ° , transj)orts.thtft brought them thither; they 6'1;1" be furnished with a passport, iu order that t l)4 r may be able to retu rn u nm o l este d to ilussivil, Prusilati harbours ; and should t hey stand in l' ee of provisions, they shall be supplied with theca on making payment for the satne.—The 4 46 ' 11 May, 1808. • - . RUDOLPH CEDERSTROM. . RODI6KO, Rear -AC101.• 80 ' e-g .•- STOCKHOLM, MAT Ro)al Majto l Y b as received a Report from ' General Baron Aami 4l '" n , - t i Commander in Chief of the Western Arm) , Lia ,., Head-quarters Holtuedat, the ' 20th instant, o°l ' ll s that the ISt brigade of the right wing Were attitcl i on the 1-eth inst. by the Eneiny, tar soPer i°l.t i number,. itit . that nevertheless the Danish were repulvd. with considerable loss,' and 1 0 ; OUT Army .. .fp — Norway still maintatini. , its 1010] position. - STocuicitt.si, MAY 2.s.—His Royal MaJ est Y : r i e : . ceived yesterday the following Report trim ~ ) . • Marshal Count KuNgsrolt, dated Hoati-ilu dr May 12. 1808. of s - The Russian troops who - were made prism?er war in the Isle of Gothland consisted of Orfict:riss 78 Non-commissioned Odicers,, egsi -rank aifti and 64 artillerym en:- , L ei s, •.-, . • - tuuate operations of mos'r HUMBLE REPORT• - ' sent b y "My last was of the Bth iust—and was ": Capt. DUN ICICR ; it contained an a, COUlit Of t. e 0 ;1 Brigade, Co.unel SANtiELS, until • the said day : hill, e which lime Or Chl el ,„, t) your Majesty's Army t►~ Fill ia l, tactaneut g Oh: ,sth hriga.:e, wllich, under the fora; maud °__t 1-01t. -Colonel FAHLANDI4IIii tiad b' ,;. sent to Karsaivki, and l w own nad air4..ad , Jecs il , i h il.g to. m y (la itePoit, tailue cousioci..ol.- Do'? j i has made prisoners of war, in Lbv old clii C u/LIU ' has r, pt ► rtrtl, tnai a IA- t