The Sun. — London, England, 1810-05-18 00:00:00

1- r. ,~ Ito Cl l ie- ;es nd an of *).`i\ . kid clone wat to give 311 ,opp G ortuil;ty . to soinc. en ;',='tnen, who were always, ready to take au oppor.- tuu4y when it ottered, of iaiing a elainour against any one opposed to theni ,in_politic4l warfare. It would perbaps - atioid ro satisfaction to the Gentle- tuen opposite to him ( judging from the effeEt Which had .been Produced Upon them by the state , ' mem of a similar 'circumstance respeeling him self) when he stated, that the recommenda ' rion which an Honourable Gentleman had, given to his Right Honourable Friend (Mr. Yorke) re- Speaing the receiving of his salary, had already been aced upon by his Right Hon. Friend, who had declar e d thatin consequence of his having received the office of Teller of the Exchequer, lie would. not accept of the additional cuoul. a year which had been added to the office of First Lord of the ( Admiralty at the time that office was filled by Mr. I'. Grenville. It had been said, that the circum stance of his not accepting the salary of his office of Chancellor of the Exchequer, had not ;een made ',known to the public. Certainly it had not, nor would it now have been mentioned, if it had not . been Called for by the obsereations' of the .Gentle men opposite to him. It was not a thing which : he . w4lred to boast of, because he did not think there was any peculiar merit in it. There had been such . a variety of opinions broached upon this. subjea of sinecure places, that he was sure if his Hon. Friend Mr. Bankes) expecled by his proposition to con ciliate that part of the public who were hostile to • the continuance of these offices, he would find him eell grossly mistaken. Did hit Hon. Friend think Iron) what had fallaUfrom those Gentlemen who had followed him in the debate, that they would be less inclined to find fault if his plan were adopted than they were at present ? He eas sure that would : be deceiving themselves and the pt b:ic it they flattered, thamselst s that they would give More satisfaction by the adoption of the pew plan, than by adhering to the one now in existence. In Opening his propositiOn to the House, his Honour able Friend had not stated what degree of qualifica-. • tion he would require to entitle a person to one of these pensions which he proposed to substitute for sinecure offices, nor what degree of right he would vest in the King to grant or to with-hold these pen sions. If a certain number of years service were required, it would be stripping the King ofehat light which oughealways to remain entire of grant ing these places, or not, as he [leased. With re gard to the idea which had beea thrown out, that Parliament ought to regulate the granting these • Places or pensions, he was sure that no man ac quainted with the spirit with which que - Stiona of that kind were, discussed in Parliament, seriously wished to vest it eith that poeer. As a proof of the justice of this assertion, he would refer to the case of Lord North. It would not be denied that' at the conclusion of that Noble Lord's Administra lion, he would have been entitled to some rernueera tion for his long services ; but with what face could the Gentlemen who succeeded him, and who had been constantly accusing him of having by his 'Councils, ruined the Country, propose to grant him pension ? it would be t erefore absurd to vest in the House this poWer of rewaiding merit, because its de c isi ons would always be influenced to a certain degree by party considerations. What bad occurred With regard to himself %vireo be - came info office, respeeting the Chancellorship of the. lluchy of Lancaster, afforded another ,proof of the justice ,of his assertion, for be was cons inced that that vote Would not have passed at any - ether time, and . Was only .proposed then with view of keep . jog him from accepting office. Did Gentle- Men mean to contend that the grant of an Of an office or pension, during pleasure, was more 'likely to secure the independence of 'the person,re ceiving it, than one granted for life ? But there was 'another condition which it was proposed to annex to this substitution of offices for pensions —that was; that the pension should be what was called " a floating pension," and that in case of the individual accepting an office, or . receiving any addition pf pri vate fortune, he should lose the pension. Now, did his Hon. Friend really think that it would be a proper employment for the House of Commons to be sitting in judgment upon the increase or decrease of the private fortune of any individual who might. hold ore. of these pensions? How far the circular , stance of a large acquisition of private fortune might Operate upon the feelings of an individual holding a' Pension, was quite another question ; but that such a 'condition should be annexed to the grant of the Pension, he was sure his Hon. Friend would not, upon consideration, persist in.- With regard to. the , condition of making the person resign his pensiOn on the acceptance of an office ; he thought it t bad one, because a -person must, to entitle himself to a pen- Sion, have had some experience in the public ser vice, and by a faithful discharge of his duty, have merited it. The pension then would be given him, not to stimulate him to persevere in, but to make pica retire from the public service, because, by elk jog an office under that condition, he would only in- Crewe his labour, without adding to his emolument. ' • bethought, therefore, it would be much better, in ail cases of this-kind, to leave it to the private feel ings of the individual, and not to adopt any posi tive regulations upon the subje&. There was one • point which had been argued at great lengele-and which 'was of great importance ; it had been stated, upon the authority of General Conway, that in the ' event of the grant of an office which ultimately • !timed out to be more beneficial than it was when -- it was granted, that office, though granted under the Great Seal, and with full regal authority, rnight be resumed with justice. A dextrine less true or less safe it was hardly possible to imagine. If Geetle , teen considered what it was that gave security t o Property of every description In this country, they , could scon be convinced that they could not break •ia upon property, once legally vested, without e;n dangering. the security of every species of property Whatever. But who was to resume the grant ? Not the House of Commons ; for Gentlemen would ' not give the H ouse the power to annihil ate t h e ieing's grant. Well then, it must be the King that I voukd have the power of restering his own grants, once legally ma d e: b ut h e begged Gentlemen. to c we e d er to w h at an extent that doctrine would go. It was true, that if deceit had been practised upon t he King, to i n d uce a grant o f an office, that d ec eit would vitiate the grant; but to say, that if 1 lue va of th e o ffi ce i ncreased after the grant, that there fore the office might be resumed, was a proposition th at - would lead to the most monstrous cense LONpo iv, FRIDAY, MAY 18, 1810. In the course of the Debate in :he. I - touse'ot Commons last might, Mr. PERCEVAL staled, that he has not accepted the salary or his - office of CHAN., CLLLO4 of the.ExcqEourn, in consequence of his •••••,'• ' •' .• ,'• , .• • • s. be:ng in prrtsesilon .ol the •ofrice of Chancellor of . . the Dutch of, Lancaster, and lie also said that Mr. Yosits had :cleelined accepting the 20b01. a year which was added to the salary of First -Lord of the Admiralty, when Mr. GRENVILLE held 'that -office, in consequence of his appointment to the office of Teller of the , Exchequer. The disinterested and really patriotic conduEt of these : Gentlemen was not attended with any boast or parade; and the fad would probably never have beeniknown to the pub-, lie, if Mr. PERCEVAL had not been forced,to:men lion it, by the animadversions which . we.re thrOwn out upon him and Mr. YORKE. We do not recril lea that any of those who are now so loud in pro. fessing their own purity, and . in making attackS upon the characters . of their opponents, ever gave such a proof of disinterestedness, when they had the power of reducing their professions to -prac tice. • We are happy to find that the signatures - already affixed to the Middlesex Counter-Resolutions are very numerous, and we have no doubt that, in a few days we shall, be able to publish such a list of names, as will sliew, beyond the possibility of a doubt, the real opinion of the Freeholders of Mid dlesex upon the proceedings which took place at Hackney. The Declaration of the inhabitants of Liverpool, stating their abhorrence of the principles and con dud of the modern professors of Reform and pro moter?, of Anarchy, has been signed by near fifteen hundred of the most respeaable inhabitants of that great commercial town. The West India fleet sailed from Cowes yester day, under convoy of the Thalia, Capt. VASLIOiI. It was yesterday erroneously reported, that in. the case of Sir FRANCIS BURDETT V. the SPEAKER of the HOUSE Of COMMONS, the Special Plea had been withdrawn, and the general issue pleaded.-- That is not the case, but we believe the latter plea has been pleaded in addition to the former. The Bulletin received in town yesterday after noon from Dr: BAYLEY, relative to the state of Prin cess AMELIA'S health, stated, that her Royal High ness was somewhat better ,than on Tuesday and Wedne`sday last, and that she had two hours sleep during the night. • Yesterday morning his Royal Highness the Prince Of WALES left Carlton House for Windsor, on a vi sit to their MAJESTIES and the Princess AMEILA: Yesterday being the PRINCESS of WALES'S birth day, her Royal Highness received the Congratula tions . of a great number of the Nobility and Gentry, and in the evening gave a grand entertainment at her apartment's in Kensington Palace, Her Royal Highness's trades 7 people all illuMinated on the oc casion. By vessels arrived from Goree and Sierra Leone, we are enabled to state, that so late as the month. Of March last considerable hopes, were enterta , ined, that the celebrated and enterprising Mungo Pa, k, so often reported to have lost his, life, was still alive. For the information of that Gentleman's numerous friends, and the public, we can now state, that the ship Favourite, of London, Capt. Truman, is arrived at Plymouth from Goree. Previous to the depar tare of that vessel, information had, been received• at Senegal by a native of the Mandingo country, who accompanied Mr. Parke as far into the interior` as Sego and Sansanding, that be was alive in the month ofJanuary. Colonel Maxwell, the Governor of Senegal, had, in consequence of this information, dire&ed that a decked boat should immediately be fitted out to proceed up the River Senegal, for the purpose of giving assistance to Mr. Park in his inde fatigable exertions in exploring the Continent of Africa. This account is further corroborated by a letter, dated in March last, received by a vessel frOm Serra Leone, from Dr. Douglas, who writes as follows " Permit me to lay before you-some inforrmrCon respecting Mungo Park., which I was favourddWith from an intelligent Mahomedan, whom I met at Goree, and who had acted as a guide to Mr. Park, from the time of his landing on the Continent of 'Africa, to his embarkation on the Niger. • He states, that the.King,of Sego bad shown much fa your to Mr. Park, and that the report of his assassi nation there was untrue. He.had passed far along the Niger without any molestation whattver from ; the natives. My informant could hot recollect the date of . his embarkation on the Niger, but thick s it must be about three years ago. Mr. Park had taken four months provisions for himself and two follow ers, with whom he intended to proceed to. the east ward, and onwards' as far as the Red Sea. Some traveller4, who had fallen in with this guide, in formed him, that about two or three months subse quent to Mr. Park's embarkation, he had been se= verely scorched in his breast by the bursting of a gun while - firing at some birds, but that be passed Tombuctoo in the night by water." • • Letters have been received from the Dutch coast to the It2th inst. which' mate, that BuorlarAitrg and his Empress were expected to visit all the : prin. cipal towns in Holland. Great preparations were making for their reception at Rotterdam. 'These letters say nothing of the Decree reported to have • been issued against the Americans, and which, if really adopted, is likely to he extended to the Dutch ports. We have, for a considetable time, ceased to over any obServations on the subjell of the Catholic Veto. We ‘vetv : , and still are of Opinion, that all the cir cumstAnCes of the times should have decided the Ca-' tholici to grant this satistitolion to the Crown '; but we must neirertheiess observe, that a recent publica tiqn by Mr. FELIX M'CARTHy, in justification of the Veto, is well worthy of the attention of those who are de , iirous of considering the su! -, jea in all its bearings. qilencee. W9uld Gentlemen extend that doctrine to grants of r o y a l property ? Would they revert, for instance, to the grants of Henry . the VIM!) to the Duke of Bedf or d,. or to ether's, and sai', that because the lands granted 'were Mien only worth one or two thousand a year, a: - e1 that they were now worth wenty. thousand a year, that theeefore •those grAntS ought now to be resumed Would th e y, if a l ease was granted under the Crown, vacate that lease, if from accidental circumstances it became more valu ble than whe!. it was first granted ? No Lawyer, he was lure, ever asserted such a doctrine: no man who seriously considered its effects would maintain a:. An attempt had been made to distinguish be tween the tight in possession of an office and the person in reversion ; but _there was not the slighest ground for such distinction, because, if the King could make the grant legally, the person in reversion , had as clear a Vested right as the person in posses sion. He begged Gentlenten seriously to consider the consequences which might ensue from the doc trine to which he had alluded ; the present House of Commons would, he had 'no doubt, not carry the principle farther than Choy thought the neces sity of the case required ; but if the principle were once admitted, who could tell to what an extent it might be carried in futUre ? Who could undertake to say that some other persons might not in future introduce something of an Agrari.ni doctrine, and justify it upon the adoption of this principle at pre sent.—He would not trespass upon the House any longer, except shortly to say, that the proposition of his Hon. Friend was recommended upon tutu grounds, viz. that-it tended to economy, and also to reduce the King's prerogative. With regard to eco nomy, until they knew what amount of pensions it was intended to propose, instead of sinecure offices, it was impossible to say whether the mea sure would lead to economy or . not. With regard to the reduction of the prerogative, if the- pensions were to' be equal to the sinecure places, and the King was to retain the same po%ver over them, 'the pre rogative would not be affected. But 'he did not agree in .the propriety of reducing the prerogative, which he contended bad ,not increased. Upon that point he entirely agreed with his. Hon. Friend (Mr. Wharton), whose arguments Gentleniers had found it much easier to laugh at than to answer. Upon the whole, he was convinced that the adoption of this measure would not be attended with any advan tage, and should therefore . give it his negative. Lord MILTON. approved of the motion, as being likely to se.parat.e thoke who were actuated by' good_ intentions from these actuated from different mo tives.._„ Mr. CANNING thought the splendour which sur , roundS the Throne necessary to the _discharge of its high functions. There-were many things about the Throne which ought not to be•louelicd with a rash hand, lest those who did so should too-late lament' the - fatal delusion by which they were misled:— They were eo coosi(!er . if the proposition of his Hon. Friend deserved a favourable reception; and if they. _ differed from him, whether or not any changes ought to take place, and if any, of what nature they should 'be. The k uggesnoti he had formerly thrown out as the grounds on which he should op pose the HonourauleGentleman's th en p ro p os iti on , were thrown out , to: justify his Opposition, and :not with an - eitpec,ation 'that his Honnur3nle Friend Would, by . adopting them to a certatir- degree, so modify his proposition as to entitle him to his support, it he reni. , ieed consistent with himself. Thoueli the distribution of offices was not so far an alien to what it shOuld be, as his Hon. Friend seemed to imagine, yet it could not be denied that on certain - occasions theme have been and must be. instances -of favour. He cotild not approve of the resumption of a grant bestowed for ser vices performed, when the cireurnAanees of the individual were in such a. state as to render it not absolutely necessary to him, as he knew of no course of legislation by which they could so inquire into. a the private concerns of a Gentle man, with view to depriving hiM of the reward he, had earned. He, however, approVed of the re ward so granted being merged on' the party return ing to office, and only again employed on the indivi dual losing his new situation. He apprehended it was no part of his Friend's plan to deptive the Crown of the power of remunerating merit. He under stood it to be his object to substitute for the present mode of requiting services one less exceptionable. He knew of no insurmountable obstacles to this ; but; if such should appear, be would not be one of those who mijit take, the advice of an Hon. Gen tleman opposite, and consent to part with tne pre sent system; leaving it to be devised hereafter what should be substituted in its place. The Hon. Gentleman said, he. approved of the liberal, remuneration of services as bringing great talents. forward, which . might otherwise be lost to the coun try. In giving his vote, as he should, for the'mo tion, he considered he did but say he would hear his Hon. Friend's proposition ; but should it subse quently appear exceptionable, he desired to be un derstood as having only 'pledged himself to entertain it in the first instance, and not bound himself to give it his further support. After a few words from Mr. P. Moore, the Hour divided, whe the numbers were For the Resolution 93 Against - - - 99 Majority • - —6 4 k Mr. MARTIN said, he had no objection to his Re solution being negativ&l and his Friend's adoptecL— 'When the Report of the Committee was brought up, he should have an opportunity of making some ob-ervations 'on them. The House then resumed, and the Report of the Committee was ordered to be received on Tuesday. Adjourned at One o'Clock, [For the proceedings in the Houle of Peers, see last pke.] TEI E S UN. SOLENT QUIS FALSUM AUDEAT A.. N AV A L W 8. . . PLYMOUTII, MAY 16.---Sailed his i'vhjevy's ship hTienten , Capt. Sii M. Snymouti; 13ari. for Liibon-i' , • , , ~ -. • ~, t - thetakes out Gen c r a l Si , EN - cua, who .isto command the cavalry in Portugal... . A gun-brig arrived here last .even 7 ng frorn the Eastward, and sailed this morning . !o tl.e Westward: Arrived the French sloop Le Picre c4e le, in ,ballast, cut out from under the Isle d'72 B.is by the 'boats of the Afuros brig. 'a • 1 It wi=ts not the Lively . .frigate tLt a`rived here yesterday; but the Athelia frigate, from the coast of France. . • ' Arrived his Majesty's ship Milford from Basque Roads, Sailed the Margaret; ALCHARDS, for MiniDique ; and the Podnrgus, of 14 guns, fur Poit4n4cuHh. • Came downfrom Batni)nol, and anchored iii the Sound, his Majesty's" frigates Lobe and Areibusa: Attived. his , Majesty's ship Pheaiant from Ports- mouth. 'Sailed his Majesty's scrip with ti convoy, to the WAtwai-d. PORTSMOUTH, MAY 17.-7C.iipe in this - day his Majesty's ship Lively, from the Mediterraite.io, with Sir CHARLES COTTON on board: Arrived the Ant schlner from a eruiz:?".. v I7.—Arrived . bis IVtliesty",s ships Bellona and Theban from. the lyVes t ward. Came do xn from the River and shiled to the West;• ward the Governor Halket, WATSON, for l'11) v,.) Hanover, ADA msox, for Jamaica; and the . Hope; LAvis, for Montserrat. Arrived and sailed for the River the Mentor, COL:. LIM, from Oporto. • . , ELOPE` ENT.—ThP Wl-1 u" on trah_•imati in Oxford-street,, eloped ,on wiili a' a tradesman in Wardo.ui=stree , tvho has a i le , and • ftraily, and althbugh her kiss pl;cir.ied in !quid bills about the streets, she, was not fon! , (1 . u!)tii Sun day last, when she was discovered in no ;h e Harrow-road. The families were on the most inti= mate terms of friendship. • LIVERPOOL, MAY 15 —I se •d you an acceno. of the opeungsot this Tlw; , tre, :tt vviln!, a kin,1,14 0. P. riot has taken place, the H. P Hrty, they . ;erns themselves, insisting upon 11.11 f pr7ce be nn,, , taken, which has never yet taken phlee. Plar.7.irds w• re posted up all over the town, requesting elely at tendance of the advocates fog H. P. The play was Pizarro, and the entertainment the Betwooleqii'ar. At seven o'clock the performance Commenced! On the curtain rising, there was -:a great call .fur the Managers (Messrs. KNIGH T and Lewis), with cries of Off, off !" Neithel of the 'Alamigers appearing, -much the same kind of noise was maJe during the evening as distingutshed the opening of Giverit- Gardeu,rheatee. During the .performance:several things were flung on the stag among which was a 4 ' pennyTiece, which stt -Mr. l‘fusottp.ir. on `the face, and caused it to bleed very profusely.i Both the play and entertainment were got through in less.than two lours. When the curtain dropped the managers were again called for, but did not ap pear, and the spectators departed between 1 t and 12 o'clock, The. mob on the. outside of the Thea tre pelted stones and bricles.at the -windoi.vs, and entirely destroyed them. A great number of stones went through the Coffee-roorn window, -one of which broke a large looking -glass. The disttirb- . once was t:hiefly created by sitopmen, potters, &c. the respectable part of the inhabitants being quite averse.to half price being taken ; the admission* to the Boxes is but 4s. tothe Pit, 3s.arid to the Gal lery, Is. Numbers of Gentlemen arethis day beieg sworn in as .Special Constables, and it is, intended, if possible, to quell the disturbance to-rnotto..v night. Notwithstanding I paid very, minute attention .to the H. P.'s I pould not dis Cover a single gentl. man among them. The house_ has been newly. painted, and looks very handsome. We have received the following letter from the South of Spain, the date of which is three days later than the previous aCcounts! - 4‘ CADIZ,, MAY 4.—The desertions from ihe en&; my are very numerous, and many of theiii enter this town, who give accounts of the situation and State of the enemy very satisfaaory to us. ;They state the force of JOSEPH not to amount to more thari nO,OOO, and several of these id their hearts enter= tain the greatest dislike to him, Pro Visions are scarce, and their clothing at present, independent of what they took in Seville, is verf• bad. We are sorry to hear that their' treatment of the peacesbie inhabitants of the province is cruel in the extreme: The whole of the mountains are,covered with - armed peasantry% Hostile ,operations on our part are talked of ; but I doubt if it will be wise•to move from our pre sent situation ; it,will be a very hazardous enterprize to retake Matagorda. The French are new improv ing and repairing the fortifications - with the utmost celerity. • " the intelligence we obtain from Madrid' only' confirms us in the opinion w`e entertained, and which. wanted no confirmation; of the barhatity ,of the, French totlie conquered people. The:Spmish soners taken are frequently openly hutchered; and even the quiet inhabitants; who ref l ain. from 'all-of fence, are made often severely t 9 pay for what arti called the crimes of their countrymen." COIIN-EXCHANGI, MAY 18.--The - iuppliet of Wheat this - day are shoe re r, and sales theot again rather dearer ; Barley and Malt nearly at late prices; very few White" Peas; l3eans of the tm:o kin's fully at last quotation; New Ticks 4.4. to 50s. per guar.: ter; Oats Fire likewise in extreme short supply, and thiS trade ; prices of Flour at the last ad.; vance. AartivLur-4 Dublin MAILS. 11u I-1 Gotten'ot4), 5 Waterford Consols I'itlClE 01: STOCI-: S THIS DAY AT TWELVE C'CL.OOK. Oniniurn . 2