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A they obtained information of the fate of those who had been concerned in such establishments. It was then arranged that the Bill should be committed on Monday. Their Lordships then adjourned at Iliar-PasT TEN o'CLocK. .. . sot be Mimi since aid had been granted to commerc e. And' the reme dy whichthey fir st heard this night from the lips of should first call the attention of their Lordshsps to that part of indeed, commercial men had great advantage s over the owners the Noble L ord. He regretted to find that there was an nob. the ' cause that argued a very unsound state `of thipgs. Ail unthe of land. They might send their goods a b r oad , the y might city fmm the interference of Governmeot in currennhh nay they ought to confederate to assist each other, all which measurewhicie the Bank had resolvesideen with respect to the thing, the landed interest could not do. A Noble Lord had resumption of_ two millions of Exclieginer Bills, he admitted, it alluded to another meaeure, on die subject of which he had . Wati calculated certainly to throw two millions more of capital and monied currency into the scale of relief for the mercantile HOUSE OF COMMONS moved for several returns. He (the Earl of Liverpool) had and manu f a cturing publics but non moo PRIVATE BILLS. d, that this diffusion• This being the last day fixed by the House for the presenta of 2,000,0001. would reach the per so n s whom it was desirable no obje c tion to state that if, without violating any principle, ket • should be relieved. Advocate as he was for the principles of duty of the ^ •• • ' it were possible to give aid and confidence to the money mar , t free trade, he would not deney that It was the L„, tion of Private Bills— , Sir f. ACI.AND, Lord Loventron, Sir TitOlnes INGLEItT, Mr. Wm. DuNnAs, and several other Membeie, presented Ile wee happy totlo toe Government owetletelebt of 141 , 'Y millions gislatore t o see how far it might attempt to regulate the state of the currency from time to time, so as to prevent the shrewd and Private Bills,' principally relating to Canals, Railways, Roads, to the Bank, and he had notlifliculty in saying t hat if the dank calculating part of mankind from. in affect putting their hands &c. w hi c h were di s posed of in the usual manner. • . . SILK 'TI(% DE. would purehave in the market outstanding Exchequer Billet into the pockets of the simple antleinwtiry. It was impossible to nof put adrag and a chain on the syetem of the currency, and ex- Mr. DICKINSON presented a Petition from the Silk Throve- Government would hold it harmless by repaying a ports pert to find it six months hence as they left, it. No, the money stars of a town in Somersetshire, against the Importation of that debt. It was the opinion of the mos t dietinitnished mere would not stop, but would procee d, or retro g rade of itself . lie French Silks. sable N thants that such a eminte would be producti ve of much benefit, believed there was already a complete vase glade out for the Ai r. De er icreso also presented a Petition from the „ country on a firmer and safer basis, and lie hoped the Leather interferenceoppor- of the Legislature to place the currency of this cutters, Glovers, &c. of the town of drid,qewater, against the and he could see the possibility of no harm. The Lord importation of French Gloves.—Both Petitions were or d er ed to eneer:tett it to be a species of guarantee ; but that was no more tunity would not be neglected. The case of our currency called be printed. even wore loudly for the interference than that of France in A Petition was presented by Mr. Brett:Rutin x from the • a gaarantee than what paying a public, allowed anti midis- Ilil a, when it was overrun, sttbdtted, and occupied in every part Silk- merc h ants a nd others of the town of Manchester, against pined, debt could be. Whether by a loan , or in What manner by fbreign victorious armies. There was, at this moment, as the importation of Foreign Silk.—Ordered to be printed. reater confusion in the relative value of property hi England SI:AVER V. this repayment. ehould be frla , de elt w ould be competent for Par- q man there had been in France during the whole period of Sir T. Leer tinittnno presented a Petition from the Inha fitment to decitte. it would be recollected, that part of the fondle occupation by the Allies.' It, he thought, now pretty bitants of Somersetshire against Colonial Slavery.—Ordered to debt due to the Bank consis ted of the advance , which it had clearly appeared, that one of the great causes of the extent be printed. ` of speculation was the accumelation of 500,000/. in the Mr. LAwLEY presented a petition to the same effect from agreed to make to pay the dissentient* to the reduction of the shape of a sinking fund, which had the effect of creating capi - the inhabitants of Alcester.—Ordered to be print e d. • • • tai to that amount, Now he was satisfied, that thisiti,ooo,oool. • • petition was resented b • Mr. C • • stated in g eneral the principles on A similar p t an 114 RIG II T from A per cents. He bed 110,/ g if left to circulate amongst the mercantile public, would as the inhabitants of King's Sutton, in Staffordshire, —Ordered to which this measure was pioposted, and should be ready, in the effectually operate as capital in their hands, as :by being be printed. course of the evening, •to afford any further explanation which shut tip from them dn a sinking fund to that anioton. The M r . C laris K EC K and Mr. PETEn MenitE, presented too great facilities of °teaming money, for every 'impede, in similar petitions to the same effect; the former lientle»um might be deemed neceseary.at, e T o i were only twottnore paints London, was, in his opinion, the reason, in a great degree, of from the Freeholders of the County of Leicester, anti the latter on winch he had to make a few observations. As the measure the high prices of things in the country, which was tnllowed from the Inhabitants of the City of Coventry—Ordered to be finally ores- • by all influx of country paper into London, and . es, the abolition of small notes now stood, no new notes wereprinted. , eioned much of the evil complained of. B ten s• all these te- fir .1. Sirs r o „ ree presented a Molnar petition f ro m t h e .to be stamped Or issued from a certain don and in 1829 t hey votary causes already enumerated, the Bank of Enghtml was B oroug h o f L ewes .—O rt l e red to be printed. were to cease altogether. The dotes of the Bank of England hampered by the number of Exchequer Bills it had in its hands ; A petition from the Inhabitants of Woburn to the game but the disbursements on account of deficiencies for paying the effect was presented by nit.. 131'N a, and was laid on the table. were comprised within this regulation. But it, had been dividends from time to time, as well as by that conundrum in 'strongly represented by an eminent country banker, that it legislation, according' to which the future race of Englishmen MISCELLANEOUS. . were to be taxed to ease the present generation and the present Mr. Serjeant ONsitow preeented a Bill for the Repeal of the would 'be more expedient that the 'Bank Of England 611011141 , , , . . ' 1 • Usury La we.--plead a first t i me, and ordered to be printed. 1 generation taxed in order to ease posterity—a po local comm. • .not cease to Issue notes front the present moment like the drum, which was aptly termed the dead weight. flow then Mr. P. Al °ono presented a petition from the elembert of it probable the public should not he to reel a the Equitable Loan Company, praying for leave to bring in a country banks, and a cliange would be made in the Bill, pro. was ~t heP , , locking condem ned . Bill to amend their Act.— Referred m a Committee. some period consetptenee at this tip of property use ',siding that the issues of Bank of England notes should not lessly ? But the height clay of rage for speculations was in the Alderman Noon presented a petition fent the Churchwar. (lens Overseers, &e., of the Parish of St. Giles Without Crip. ! vease forthwith, but should be continued till the 10th of next year 1025, when the King's Speech, at closing the Parliament, , + , „ ~ „ , ,-,,. ~ , • assured. the country of a continuance o our f flourishing can. Inegate, praying for an a:ranno - lent of tneir I ithes.— Laid on October, the circulation of those notes expiring, together with the table. dition. Yet it appeared that with the conviction of a latdrit and . • . those of die country hanks in 11329. The other point related lurking danger beneath, Parliament was allowed to separa te Mr. Itertneo nresented a nention dened the most res ect , . . T he able lioniteholders at ( oltumpton, in Devonire, praying for a without devising an remedial or reventive measure. 'to Ireland and Scotland. It was very proper that both those o Y P • , of . e free trade in Corn.—Ordered to be printed. Noble Lord next proceeded to examine the defects the geneni , , „countries should be planed on the same footing with respect to ' Bank System of Engbtml. Ile strongly recommended that our A petition from the inhabitants of Cambridge, praying that , currency its for rendering an ac- England, but not within the same period. With banking system should include a provision . . i. . . ~,,,, , no alteration shotibl be made in the Corn Laws, was presented M.—Read and laid on the table. count to the public and par i . i ' Lei .nterested of dem actual capital u3' 140rit tin *lra 'regard to Ireland that object was proposed to be attained by a and money transactions, so that the public and their creditors A Petition was presented by Mr. Hum:. from the House. • „separate Bill, which would not leave the country without some might feel and know there was in these establishment* the se- , pr a yi ng holders of Brecon for ten alteration in the Corn Laws. curity of positive propertand not merely paper currency._ Ordered to be printed. paper - circulation, and would not begin to operate before one thoug it our eystem o f an ong was • With this improvement l ie'l b 1 • - Alr flint° presented a petition for leave to bring in a Bill to year or two. As to Scotland, it was intended that the issuing and should be satisfied with the security it afforded. excellent, amend the Ilaintnersmith Bridge Ace—Read and laid on the of notes should cease in 11129, anal that there years should be If the banking; system of this kingdom adopted these improve- 'Table. i II - meats, he thought the condition of Ireland and Scotland, as to CHARGES .ntlArdST MR. KENI CIC. allowed for their final extinctiont The Noble Earl eoneluded money matters, ii aso dependent on that of England, that Alr. Dl NMAN moved, in pursuance of Isis notice; that the by moving the second reading of the Bank Charter Bill. their banks miiiiitgo on without any material change, for some House now resolve into a Committee to enquire into the years More. 1. ront attentive observation, and more particularly charges against Mr. Kenrick. The Earl of LIMERICK begged to state, in reference toTIieSPEAKER thought it proper for him, before lie pet the teom recent experience, certain he was and the niblie ought to what tire Noble Earl had observed respecting the extension of be aware of it also, that a superabundance of paper l currency, question for his leaving the Chair, to suggest to the House, the period previons to the suppression of the eirculetion of small tiny time, thotigh it might aid speculation for. a time, would' he tat it would be desirable that there should he some di s tin c t notes in Ireland, that in that country there was no circulation visited in turn by a - depreciation of the currency, which understanding as to the course to be pursued by the Committee. whatever but what consisted of email notes under five pounds; 'Pliere were two courses open to them, one was for the Commit would avenge itself' on the political constitation of society, and as In the coin of the netim, there was no such thinggg, as gold i n the same way as a too rea r redundancy In the animal tee to hear evidence,and come to resolutions upon that evidence; g to be bed. He believed, in point of fact he knew, thet 'there Syste m was sure to be followed by depression anti excess i ve ex. the other was for it to hear evidence only, and to report it, and •were no large notes heeled in that country ; nor was there suf.. lnation. for the House afterwards to adopt such proceedings upon the licient gold to supply Any abstraction of the small notes from After a f ew words from the Duke, of A THOL, which we evide n ce as it mi g ht judge right. circulation. Ile thereinto hoped the Noble Lord would, before could not coll e ct— Dlr. DENAIAN, after thanking the Right Hon. Speaker for any measure was brought forward to alter the state of the cur- his suggestion, expressed his wish that the Committee should erency in Ireland, be pleased tie take into consideration whether Lord BEXLEY rose, and professed lie apprehended the en t er fully into the consideration of the charges. it wietin not be necces iry to have an increase of bullion intro- possibility of the recurrence of distress as to money concerns in Air. Secretary PEEL thought it would be more convenient -dined into that part (tithe United Kingdom. for the Committee to be limited in its powers to ascertaining The Earl of I.AUDERDA bE could not • suffer the mom. Ireland to a most alarming . extent, unless the Legislature the state of the facts. niendation ,of the Noble Earl opposite, not to use heat or should take steps: td meet prospectively the danger which might Air. DEN A! AN thought, upon the clearest Constitutional violence in the eiscussion of die Corn Laws, to pass unnotie- • grounds that the same tribunal which heard the . evidence, . under peculiar eireirinstancee assail It. Ile, fin one, bad 'an op. •eti. lie heti floret' uttered a word on that question,' when • ought to pronounce an opinion upon the case, He did not see ever it leul been discussed without dispassionately cont ie er . portunlty of becoming intimately acquainted with the honours tiny other way of buying the whole matter disposed of in a inie the interests of the mentirocturce and landholders combin. able bearing anti skilful management of the Bank ; but he satisfactory and constitutional manner, than that of placing4t eft, and that a moderate remunerating price was all dint ought must say, that in the last debates on this suittect, he felt the fully in the hands of the Committee. to no gained. It was In the t mme spirit that he „should atptio Bank had reaped the advantage of an injurious insinuation 'lite SPEAKE it hatleeetoured to suggest the propriety or elieeneii that question whenever it should be brouglit forward. with which the Government had been unjustly assailed as to sonic decision upon this preliminary question before the went The remedy proposed wits; u limitation of the currency of certain its conduct with respect to the Bank of England. The Bank into the Committee, because the course of proceeding in the bank notes to a period of three years from the itemising Of the had not, as it had beet) said, been choked up and embarrassed Committee would greatly depend upon it. If the Committee Ace now recOnimencied. it' he were to express Ills sentiments by its advances to Government, so that it could not extricate . was merely to receive evidence, it would not hear Counsel ; on the propriety of the iric4, , ore, he was ready to =fees he itself, or bring its resources to aid declining credit. On the Counsel would be permitted in that caste only to cross-examine should prefer a currency of which notes under Al. formed no Contrary, any choke it experienced, which it was not to be sop• the witnesses. Another distinction between the .two modes part ; still lie felt this was not a proper or sale time to try the lamed it would have continued voluntarily to sustain if conve. of proceeding was t h is, that if the Committee were inieructed experiment of livening or prohibiting the currency of the small Meta, might be altogether obviate by exposing the security.or • to repine their opinion„ that opinion would be given unae roue; of Country Bankers in pertieular. In this state of things bargain it held, or had made with Government, to tulle. Ex. coinpanied by the evidence. It was quit \true that if arty he etre lessed he was afraid of the very consequences of his own chequer Bills in particular might liave been sold by die Bank, further proceedings were contemplated, it Wee in the power of tirgunie.nos. . It hadhecti staid by the Noble lord that dire cilia. from time to time, so es Ant to depreciate their price, and re. any Member to move that the evidence be laid before the nu re wes neeeseury tai restrain the lieues of such paper, because Neve itself of the quantity it lield,if it had foetid the Exchequer. House ; but it was always understood, when the. House called it had been found that whenever there wet a less 'number of Bills to be inconvenient; as the Bank ilitl not do so, it was to for the evidence after lowing received the opinion of a Cam- Bank of England notes in circulation there wan an excess in be presumed the Directors found it to be the interest of the Pro. mittee, that it thereby expressed a doubt of the correctness of .ashes issue!' of Country Blink paper. Now the question was, Ordure to keep them within their eoffere, • . the opinion. what amount constituted an excess? It was his opinion that Lord EL LENBOROUGH was . was of opinion that the Mr. Secretary PEEL was persuaded that it would be more this was a variable estimate, and teat the supply of notes which meaeure for restricting this circulation of small notes a t the convenient for the Douse to retain the power in he own liztr..!ii. et one period would be coneidered abundant or excessive, would end of three . years, wits well calculated..to be of service to the It tnight, for instance, turn out,' and he tneeely put it hypo, a t a subsequent period, be evetitty and incompetent for the gene- currency of this country. Bet he would told, that the mea. thetieally,. for of the facie of the case lie knew nothing, that al nil purposes of commerce and ordinary monetary transactions. sore was not whetted to prevent a recurrence of that mi s chi e f though t here might be something not right, in the emotion of It had been said that paper 'deadliest had been deprecated by which was still fresh in the memories of' their Lordships, so Air. Kenrick, yet there might not be that degree or wrong the cone:violas of over-trading and eellelninie- Oda he be. long as the system upon which time Country Banks was con. which would induce the House to address the Throne for Isis re iieve.d was doubted ; the opinione of Hume and Teolcd, great ducted, remained in the present defective state. It Appeared moval.—lf on the other hand the; case should appear eo aggro authorities on this subject, were perfectly at variance, the one that in February last, the Bank of England contracted the i ssu e nated as to call for an Address to the Crown, it was, lie thought, attribu dog the appetite for schemes and speculations to the of their notes to the amount of three millions. At the Name quite certain that the House would not proceeded so strong a qutintity damper in circultition, the'tither to the scarcity of pa- time, however, the Country Banks increased their issues in the measure, upeit the mere resolutions of the Committee. These per in circulation. The operation of die Sinking Fund tended same ratio its the Bank tit' England contracted their not 'a. . t end consideratione suggested clearly to him the policy of instructing to encreasie the floating capital of the mercantile world to the in many instances two country notes were issued where 0110 of the Committee only to hear evidence. amount - M*5,000,00d1. which becerne a candidate for employment 'the Bank of England was abstracted. lie hoped that the Noble Mr. Alt Elt CROAI BY did not see any substantial difference to the amount or five millions annually. Before the south Sea Earl At the lined of his illajestY'a Government would devise between the two modes of proceeding. if his lion. and Learn :same took place there wee no excess of paper, but both that sonic measure: which would dilly establish on a secure basis the act Friend should move a condeinnatoey resolution in the Cont end the late epeculations were preceded by a similar state of CirrlllitifOg eieilit Of thift country. There were still seven years mitteowouln that appear on the Journals? In a t o e lik e t ui g ., ti min g at; respected the op...rations of (invennnent. It hurl now before the Bank Charter would expire, and he hoped that before referring as it did te the character of a Jutlge, and the purity been diecovered that a diminution had taken place in. the capi. that period arrived the Noble Earl would bring under the con. of the judicial ?wilt, it could not be proceeded In with too much. tal of the country, owing to the enormous suns of money ad- sideration of-Parliament some plan which would entirely pre- solemnity. ' If the doctrineevea to be adopted, that it was unite vanced for these speculetione to foreign countries, and the South vent a similar shock to that which the commercial part of the coming in that House to interfere in suds a case, it would be to American Loam; amounting to above 17,000,001 M ; and now die country beds° re c ently experieeced. abandon one of their highest privileges, and to brink from one effects were bentonite( to be telt so much, that applications had The Earl of I,! erlt !WOOL %valid take another op- of their most important duties. been made. to Government to extend deer assistance by en home itortimito that the present of discussing t he subject. But in Mr. 1)EN:11-ON did not exactlysee how Council were to b e of 'Exelituptet Bilis, 55) ttit 'to relieve dune imeound traders the interntehe could assure t h e N o bl e , Lord opposite that no ,hearth, if the suggeetion was adopted. If, however it w as and outforere. by thotte speculatiolis. The estimated loss on clam:etre would deter his Majesty's Ministers from doing thought better to hear Counsel before the House, rattier than the Miele of these speculations, it wits said would not ex- their ditto' to the country. Tee N o bl e L or d load a ll u d e d to the before the Commiuee, he should not make any objection. reed tik.o millions. Now lie would bilk, whether the con- measure for the relied the money market. The object the The SPEA liE it said that belled intended to state, that after sequences of this dieinolination of his Altnesty's 'Minister's Noble Lord bad in view, was to r eli eve t h e money market, anti the Conunittee should have reported the evidence, it would to interpose would not occaeitnt an infinitely greater lose, to Ile spoke from the best autheritY when he said, let the relief be then be in the pleasure of the House to hear counsel at the bar the plank at large? ' No ellint, too, it should be' recol. given through the 'twang proposed, and it would have die kerne or not. lected, had been made in time to cheek the progress of these (diner OS if given to go immediately into the pockets or dis. Mr. \VIZ:I4IA AI LA AI 11 did not intend, as the House speculators, isithough it was formed by the circunietence pf tressed individuals. Parliament weld not have adopted a bet. seemed determined to enter upon this inquiry, to oppose many Official and public men subscribing to these speculations ter course. Nothing would have been attended by l ots i ncon• the motion for the Speaker leaving the Chair. He h a d, how -84 w e ll as by mend of tipth thitt and the ether house lending verilePce; The Noble lioril 'night have had a Committee to ever, th e strongest objection to the whole proceeding. Th e their names ass Directors awl Patrons to encourage the spirit of afford rebel and nn Act of PaTihment• 'rise Committee would, cherges did not in any way relate to the judicial conduct of echeming. The Government, then, as well as ninny Alembers no dotibte - have acted justly, but that mode of proceeding would Mr. Keprick, and he depreezited the assumption by that House of both House*, were accessary to the late general Inconvenient not have been so beneficial to ell parties. The proposed mea. of a censorial p ower . to investigate the pi ivate transactions of den. The project of t tic Noble Lord to meet those difficulties was sure had n direct interference with Governinent in • a way that individuals. l'he charges \cere those ot libel and nedicious to take 6,000,0001. of country bank notes out of circulation.— other measures had nat. The Proposal, as he had stated at the proSecution. Theytwere such charges as were fully within the How was that to be don al' By creating Joint Stock nankin , . ' to conienceinent of the evening. was no More than this i-telf the Competency of the ordinary tribunals, and such as that House Cerimenles to be hoc m nil jointly and iteilly to the. ameunt of Bank would relieve the difficulties of the money =rite, the (1 0 . eieuld not entertain, withent establishing a precedent pregnant their etipitilt. They' were deceived, if they thrught any set of verionent wottist call 'limn Perliainent to put them' otioof any with inconvenience end danger.—(Hear, hear !)—lle ;Yid not mon would be found, except. men of inexperience, to bind harm which Might ensue. The report of the Bun Mth Bullion Committee know whether any eOnsiderable number of enerii thought diet - Mt:lies in the maener Minleters contemplated. He was it:tted that the whole circulation of the country tlepended upon with him upon the subject ; if he had any reasen to believe &rockiest to hear from the 'Noble Lord' why was it that this the Batik. 'nliat it depended on dot bank Was teue, but it was not there were, he should move an amendment to the motion. ceentry .xeould have no part elf its eteudarti in silver, when entirely dependant on It. If they took the bank"cirettlitticin at (Cries of Move, move.)-:...tic should now move the amend every other coentry in Earope enjoyed it but ourselves? Ile this moment it wait certainly high, but it welt tiot.ito high as it ment, " That this House do not proceed further in the matt e r had heard with twat eurprise that Government had determined might ht.'. Tile slue:teen tees, what at , the present time was of Mr. Kennett." lit coneequence of the tete ,panie resulting front this overtradiriti, the state of the currency ? It wae in a mete that could not be' Colonel WOOD seconded the amendment. He was Per in sett la n ai, that intetaled after a time to extend to Scotian; enduteti. The measule proposed watt intended as a remedy.— guided that nothing but inconvenience could result front the a tieing,' of its MO-Oentaty system, "i he Banks of Scotland were There could be no [look that it was the most expedient mode in fleiry. %freed) , founded on a bane KO safe, a security so deeirable, that of thnnving money into circulittion, entl of relieving distress. Mr. Secretary PEEL expressed his intention to support the thou la there were bet Jenne of them Joint Stock Companies, The bill was then read a second time without a divieion. original motion. If the c ha rg es now before the Houdi were the still they were as good, as sound, as substantiarin credit as the Th e B e n o f t e ivje it pooh then proposed going. into Com. any charges that had been preferred against Mr. lienrick, he Bank of Scotland . It heti been said by a late writer who had mittee on the bill on diontlay, Tuctulay, or Wednesday . , at the should entirely concur in the opinion of the Hon. Alember for vubliehed a pamphlet for the bene fi t and instruction of Pitrlia- pleasure of die House. The Noble' Earl was riot t h, s mos o f Hertford. But liming been in conjunction with another charge mept no doubt —(alatigh)—whielike informed the public would Pressing the bill forward with unnecessary rapidity, but it apt brought forward last session, and then postponed at his ant, kin ayart or. tic,'gdinuorgh „ Retiew fotebcoming, diet the • {peered to hiin that the principle of the measure was so clear, culler requeet, and with a view to the conscience of the House . 404 Arlooll Scotlandhafl felt themselves On greet danger. No. and the alteration of t he law so necessary that no time should by the Honourable and Learned Gentleman, lie did not feel thing , etts ii are untrue. The people of Scotland were not to be lost. himself at liberty now to vote for stopping the inquiry. Ile be sutpectedt At all events, Of list' t wking "re of th e rn d elves — The Earl of LAUDERDALE said the bill m i g ht or m i g ht could uuut view it either as a case entirely of private. conduct. Cletutsliter)e—oe of not knowing -their own interest.; nor were not be advanta t teous. It might also do a great deal of mischief,. If ddr• Konrick ehould be p r oved to have charged this indivi. they likely out of reepect to the general &tureen to take up the His (pion was that it would d ono good. It would remain dual maliciously, and thi s crime was taken in connection with me n leo* nineS whielt were abroad amongst die pool' of Snot- notne ective after it pooled. The miechiel was done. lie had what appeared before the,House.last Session, his conduct wo u ld l an d and might have created great distress anus - lost the piton of requested the Noble Lord to drop it, and as he could not Pre- at l east deserve the gravest c ensure of the House. For th ese Alia le t n try te e •If ,then the banks of Scotland were eta affecttxi veil, it was a matter of indifinrence whether the Committee wits reasoes bit shetild support the inquiry, although it was full of as those in Itoglandeethen he mu ontend on .Moridny , Tuesday, or W anemia difficulty, and would afford a very dangerous precedent. by the sank causes • . . 1 h i, Ti Ai , , ,3 y. . Mr. SCA It r trirT • of' the seine route yto t e r.case was le iirquis of LANoThowN was anxiout; not to hurry the --in , after whet had fallen from the Ri g h t that the upplicatton • I lion. Gent' , Afurd „if , mealcat 111011, Who tad in .Isis practice measure, The Noble Marquis had understood that the Bank , ei his ein en, would advise his lion. and Learned Friend to Biel 8 b d'n mer cury with certain persons whose habits h a d not determined upole for establrshing withdraw motion. er e wou ld look at this c h arg e which . n the propos ion now sorcoolmuhtY ' us— . . 7. ' . e lax end lea al s reumspect, iliould hltanch timeP it might be prudent not to go into a Com. lay upon the table tingly and alone.. The o ffences iMp 4 slid Manner of life were to t . ute to thence the proini4ty or twig gni f ame ine di c i e . anittee uam di him were not • ' ' 111 beforeehe intention of the Bank was as- _ committed in the character of a Alagistrate or nriciddir t 'dt It Het r a tit e oppoeite, dimwit thailtabita of life certained. Judge. They were offences for which ample redress • might be I t !" ! 4f" gir --; f66' to ti e dra as to' the m oi e ty of ilthe Earl of LWERPOOL said the question was under can. obtained by the peraon et/grieved in the regular course of law ureb, e the Pi am; in er n _ it; as} .. a. then! ay pute. A laUgh,) aideration, but there was every chance oe establishing Branch There watt this great difficulty in the case, that if dint House 114414 1 "en! ilm well. "1 ) V 74 ItOtt after the lengthert. Banks. ehe erquis of LANS' 0 d * t ehould arrive at a conclueion, crirninating Mr. Kenrick, and (I . hlinself to the examine- The Earl of LAUDERDALE thought the Bank of England Franke should be encouraged by their decision to b • eid speech they hatt just hefted, con fine' ring an ac .Alarming;evil. le mu st Abttoiloo the idea of establishing Branch flanks, when tion, a Jury might probably reverse the opinion of the House. talah of Shkrintledy prOpotlad VI) check A.) .i. . This was a situation in which it did not appear to him desirable that the House should be placed. Colonel FORDE would support the Amendment; the cir cumstances of a Magistrate having committed Franks upon the accusation, and of the Grand Jury havins found a true bill, went far towards the vindication of Mr. Kenn& froni the Imputation of malice. The only charge then against Mr. Kenrick was, that of having published a libel. No part of the - conduct now charged against that Gentleman was committed by him either in the character of a Magistrate or a Jildge, and in that respect was eseeptially distinguished from the former inquiry. If the House was iPmeeitted to this proeeedinak he lamented the cir cumstance, as he thought the precedent most dangerous. - e Mr: •DENII AN expressed his surprise at the course the dee bate had taken. The charges had been for some time upon the table, and he did not, therefore, at this period expect to experience this opposition. It was incorrect to consider the chargeS as founded upon a private transaction. Mr. Kenrick had rendered them public by appealing to the public admini stration of justice. Ile• would mainly rest his case upon the Affidavits filed by that Gentleman himself, in the Court of King's Bench, to support an application for a criminal infor metion .for libel. .11e was' astonished at the argument of iris lion. Friend the Member for Peterborough, founded upon the possibility of a jury differing in opinion front that House.— The same argument might be urged in any case of criminality brought under the consideration of that House: ' It was a duty imposed upon that House by the Act of Settlement, to maintain the purity of the judicial character. Was it to - be said that the writing of a libel by a Judge was never to be made the subject of inquiry in that House ? Was it no fit subject of Parlia mentary inquiry if a Judge, after attempting the destruction of' ' a poor man by a false and malicious accusation, and attempting it in vain, should seek, by the most scandalous libel, to' blast his character ? There were four facts alleged in this libel, every one of which he would prove to be false. If they allowed I such a man to remain a Judge, could they be said to keep the seat of justice clean ? Those who would go thus far must be prepared to say, that the most - open and •nOtoriousinfameeis no disqualification for the seat of justice. Mr. SCARLETT explained. Mr. S. W'OItTLEY expressed his obligations to the 'llon. Member for ileptford for awakening the atteneion of the House to the dangerous position in which it street. • Igo Infe rence could be fairly drawn against Mr. Kenrick from the cir. cumstance of his attempting to induce Franks to plead guilty to the offence. Nothing was more common. In regard to the charge of libel, God forbid that that House' should ever under take to be judges of private libels. They had quite enough to do, and semetanes even more than they could do quite well, to judge of the libels in which their own privileges were imme diately concerned. Mr. AIIERCROMBY thought that a question had now arisen, of greater importance than that which appeared at first to be involved in the motion. The question now was one of Emitting the powers and circumscribing the functions with which the Act of Settlement had invested that House.' It ap peared to hint that whenever a Judge, by his own acts, exhi bited himself to the world as a man whom no Minister would dare to appoint, the case arose in which that House might pro perly address the Throne for his removal. ' This charge ought not to be separated front the proceedings of last year, for the simple reason that the practical question for the House would be as it had been correctly described by the Right Hon. Secre tary, a question ofilegree. • Mr. Secretary CANNING said that in all questions ofajudi cial character every man would vote according to the deliberate conviction of his own mind. lie wished to explain the motives by which his own vote, which would be in favour of the motion, wits produced. He could not forget the proceedings of last Session. He could not forget that he lied concurred with his Right Hon. Friend, in inducing the lion. and Learned Gentle man to egree to the postponement of the inquiry, without inti mating any intention of onnosing it when it should be brought forward. rite Hon. and Learned Gentleman had agreed to - the postponement for the convenience of public business, and hay mg accepted of this courtesy he did not now feel at liberty to obstruct by his Cote the object of the Hon. and Learned Gen. tleman. Mr. DENISON had just seen . Mr. Kenrick in the lobby, and had been desired to inform the House that lie was. quite. prepared to meet the charges, but at the same time he had no . other wish than for the House to proceed as it thought proper. Ile would not sit down without expressing his entire concur rence with the opinion' of the lion. Member for Yorkshire, that that House was not a fit tribunal to investigate a charge of pri vate libel. Mr. WYNN would vote for the amendment. He could not consider the present as the natural sequel to former proceedings. They were distinct and separate, and it would be grossly unjust towards Mr. Kenrick to consider them as blended together. —The transaction on which this charge was brought was not private it was true, but it was strictly an • individual transac tion. . It bed nothing to do with the judicial character of the I person accused. A Judge is Its much liable as any other person to legal proceedings if he publishes a libel or institutes a mali cious prosecution. .If convicted of such offences it might be the duty of that House to take sonic steps upon the record or that conviction. But to initiate proceedings in that House was a precedent of a most dangerous tendency. It was a precedent which might be applied to the case. of a Member of Parliament 'as well as to that oh a Judge. It opened a door to the greatest mischief's. if this precedent were firinly established, at a time when party ran high, a Minister of great power and popularity might avail himself ofit to get rid of an unaccommodating Judge or a troublesome Member of that House. There was, besides this, great difficulty, that the removal of a Judge resulted an Address front each House of Parliament. It was, 'Therefore, necessary for the House to be. cautious in entertaining a charge against a Judge. If they proceeded to address the. Throne, and the House of Lords did not take a similar step, it would result that a Judge would be left upon the Bench with a cha racter stained by their proceedings. Ile could not agree with a Learned Gentleman in the opinion that any defects of cliarac ter which would disqualify from being appointed a Judge, wouldjustify the removal ofa Judge. There wasa distinction between the two cases unirersally.recognized in-regard to every other Office.. • He had never understood the House to be pledged ' to the prosecution of the inquiry by any thing which took place last Sesion. When the Right Hon. Gentleman sat down there was a ge- neral call for the question. The House then divided— For the Motion Against it 411!1.1 orit y ,-39 •I • On our return to the Gallery we found the House mittee, Mr. R. Gordon in the Chair. - Counsel were then called in, when Mr. Gurney and Mr. Bolland appeared at the Bor. • Henry Peters, Esq. examined by 11r. DENstax.—The wit ness WAR a- Magistrate for the county of Surrey. He resided at Blatchworth. That was near the residence of. Mr. Kenrick. Recollected a daughter of Franks being charged with theft. That was seven or eight years ago. Was not sure that the girl had ever been brought beibre him. He granted the search, warrant. No evidence had.been produced before him to affect Franks or hi s w ir e with r espect to the charge brought against the daught er . Th e y h a d never been charged with.abetting the daughter in theft, certainly not. He was the person who had 11 [ 14 some sheep stolen. There had been a paper found near the place which led to a suspicion against Franks. The suspicion proved to be unfounded. Another man had been apprehended, tried and convicted for the offence. - It was untrue that he had had abundant proofs that Franks was the man who had stolen his sheep. Haa lost other sheep, and no suspicion attached to Franks. lied received a letter 'from Mr. Kenrick in August, Thoughtthe hand-writing that of Mr. Kenrick. • The letter was brought by Mr. Kenrick's man. The letter was as follows : "My Dear Sir-1 arrived here last night. I enclose you a draft of nn affidavit which I hastily put together on the Circuit/ after I was made acquainted with the attack in . the liforning Chronicle. I have'been advised to apply to parties who are ac quainted with the circumstances for their affidavits. I shall be oblige if you will peruse pages two, three,, four, and five, anti make a similar affidavit of the facts, as far as they fell under your observation. I have some doubt about the propriety of Making the affidavit with respect to the two sheep."—He re turned Mr. Kenrick an answer. It. was, that he ovoid not make any affidavit, as he had no recollection of the circumstances ; could by no means make an affidavit about the sheep, as there was not the slightest proof, as no circumstance of suspicion had existed except the piece of paper, and as the real culprit had been tried. Crois.examined by Mr. u nstEY—Never heard of any con. stable. being employed in the business. Rhodes, the parish constable at that tune, was since dead. Had never heard of a bloody knife, as well as a piece of paper. By Mr. DEN MAN—No sheep were killed on the first occasion. By Mr. 0 untiEY—it was six or seven years ago. ; Mr. DE st A N—Had been many years a Magistrate, and in the neighbourhood of Franks.. Frankshad never been before him upon any charge. Edward Arnold examined by Mr. DEN max —Vi 7 itness,re. membered the charge against Franks's daughter. He bad been the witness who went before Lord !taffies about the sheep. There was no other circumstance against Franks,than the piece of paper—no bloody knife. A person of the name of Bignell had been tried before Lord Ellenborough, and found guilty of stealing the sheep. Never heard of any circumstance to the prejudice of Franks. Had lived in that neighbourhood since 1811. Knew nothing of Franks's character; since then had had no dealings with Franks. John Franks examined by Mr. DEN3)1A14..-41Ad lived some years at Blatchwarth. His daughter had been taken upon. on a charge of stealing some things at Mr. Kenrick's. The missing articles had been found in a box belonging to the girl. The girl was ten years old at that time. The artieleS stolen were some little bits of silk. The box where they were found stood beside the girl's hed ; she, slept in the same room with witness and his wife. The articles were not concealed ; they were in the box with her doll. The charge was dismissed..-- Witness did not recollect Mr. Peters saying any thing to him. Ile had been in prison in the summer of 1824 for two months, on a charge of stealing some pieces of wood. Had never given liis'ivife any authority to intercede with Mr., Kenrick on his behalf. Had never expressed gratitude to Mr: Kenrick, or • to any of his"people, for his conduct on that occasion. Mr. MINIMA N said, that this was all the evidence he in tended to Mir; and connecting this evidence Avidi ments in the possession of the House, he was prepared to sub mit that the charge was fully matte out. Mr. Secretary CANNING here interrupted, the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, by observing that it had been fully under stood, that the business of the Committee was to be limited to hearing the evidence. Mr. GORDON' then called upon the Counsel to state what course they intended to pursue on the part of Mr. Kenrick. Mr. GURNEY said he should beg leave. with permission "of the House, to put in one or two documents ; and after that ad. dress a very few observations upon the • evidence. He should first address himself to that part of the charge relating to to the application to the Chairman of the Sessions. Mr. DENMA N rose to say, under correction of the Right lion. Secretary that lie understood the course agreed upon to be this—that the documents should be put in, and the question decided before the House, without any resolution in the Com mittee. In that case his Learned Friend, Mr. Gurney, could , not properly address them until after the evidence had been printed and in the hands of Members, and the House were pre. pared to come to some decision. Mr. Secretary CAN NI NGsaid he wished the whole evidence; taken before the Committee to be printed and reported to the House before any resolution was come to. Mr. GURNEY then called Mr. Charles John Lawson. Clerk Of the Peace for the County of Surrey, who said that he was , posiessed of the depositions taken before G. Burgess, Esti; a; Magistrate, in the case of Franks. Mr GURNEY put in the doCuments, and they were read by the Clerks, together with the defence of John }ranks. The witness upon further examination by . Counsel, stated that he received a letter from Mr. Kenrick .previous to the time fixed ' for Franks' trial. The Teter was put in and read. It stated the case of Franks, and said that Mr. Kenrick considered the imprisonment already suffered by Franks as a sufficient punish ment for his offence. He had heard that the man had behaved well in prison; that he had a large family, and that lie belonged to a benefit club, by one of the rules of which he would forfeit his claim if convicted of felony. The letter further stated, that the imprisonment already suffered, would perhaps do as much. Or more than further punishment, to effect the reformation of the prisoner, and that lie (Mr. Kenrick) was unwilling to inflict further distress upon his family. It then requested the opinion and advice of Mr. Lawson as to whether, upon this statThement, the Court would allow his recognizanc e t o be done away. e witness stated that he transmitted this letter to Lord Michlihe ctont the Chairman of the Sessions , and rec eived an answer in t negative. After some conversation, it was agreed that Mr. Gurney should be heard before the House after the printing of' the dence, and the reprin'ing ofsuch of those} documents laid on the table last year as bore upon it. The House having resumed. Mr. GORDON brought up the report containin the inures of evidence, which was ordered to be printed, a n d taken into consideration on Tuesday next. . o " SUPPLY. Sir G. CLERK moved the Order of the Day for the Heiti resolving itself into a Committee of Supply, and that the NavY Estimates by referred to the same Committee. Upon the motion that the SPEAKER do leave the Chair, Mr. HUAIE rose and said, he thought the House were Pra eeeding too rapidl y . to vote the Estimates of the year, heca use r they possessed no information as to what were the intentions 0 Government, who appeared to be increasing the expenditure. instead of lesseningit. The Hon. Member then referred I ' 7 the Report of the Finance Committee of 1816, and stated tile, annual amount of Expenditure from that period down to shewing that their recommendation had not been fulfilled. the Ministers would relieve the distresses of the country, they must begin by lessening the expenditure; on that ground he e, called upon the !loose to say, that they were not in a colitlit i° to go into a Committee of Su pply , until the Chancellor of t Exchequer made his, statement of what would be the amoun t of the revenue, and what reduction of taxes he intended to propose. They ought to pause before they called upon the people to pay the same amount of taxes now that they were about to return to a metallic currency, as they had paid in paper. The Houie would have observed that there wits increase instead of a diminution in the Estimates of the Nirrl he an for the present year. There was an increase of men to the num' ber of 1,000. Lest year the number of seamen employed w it ! 29,000. In 1817 there were only 19,000; and therefore in a d- dition to all increase of 10,000, it was now proposed to add one thousand more. Last year there was a great nil/titian . 1. - i"; army ; and if such establishments were to be kept up, is Is hopelesei to look for a change in the condition of the countrY, or, to expect that its finances could recover from their enibitr• raasments. He then contended that our naval eetablislirile b n a t i ought to . b e proportieneta to those of other states ; yet t " - i all the Maritime Powers in the world did not possess a n0, 3 , - force of one'half the extent of ours. The United States, Whi c i t i Watt considered of the greatest importance in this respect. B , l ' t whose augmentation of her naval force wan sometimes urger a ground for keeping up ours, possessed only 26 vessel* oft while we bad 500. They ought therefore to have the flue' r the information as to the means and the general expenditure 0 country before they voted one pound or one man for the ric i T r l e `. He concluded by moving as an amendment—" Th at it sirable, before the House proCeeds to vote any part ofthe Na and Military Establishments of the year, the extent of t 7 Estimates for the whole expenditure be laid before the ii ° l 6 ; e 's particularly as the Naval Estimates exceeded those of year." prelientled that the only mode of ascertaining The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER sat " 111 ) . crease in the Estimates ought to he voted or not, was thatoigi ing into the Ceminittee of Supply, in which his That hail would have to explain every item they contained. That Itatiu, ce the usual course, and the House had never been in the Or of having the general amount of the expenditure before ripen or previous to voting the Estintatee, until within the last thr ee te . four years, when he had thought fit to make a general ~•;; as sent of the finances of the country as early . in the Ses at " - s e possible. But it had been the regular Practice of the HO. not to wait for any general statement before going into a coo' deration of the necessary supplies of the year. Col. DAVIES said. diet although be ' gave Ministers er rte for their general measures, yet he did not think they raid e s i t j e a ticient attention to the rigid economy imperatively tienif ee e whether th! by the distresses of the country, which nothing wil l " an d a but a very considerable reduction of our establishmen t '''. consequent reduction of taxes. dv that " Mr. BRIG HT took thalsopportunity of saying sh or- e - ',, the the measures of the Government were not adequate to ili - w ia s state of the country, and of protesting against the eolith)" i nto which they seemed to regard it. If he did not go at length thatl the subject, it was not because lie was unprepared to she/ o r the duty of the Government was to adopt further measures r real relief. He supported the amendment. r the Mr. C. HUTCHINSON understood the propoon 0. Hon.,Alember for Aberdeen to be, that the Government o ld be called upon to chew the House what the resources and crir to *er bilities of the country were, and to what extent they mean , carry our establishments, before it voted so large a sum fig 0 depertment. Air. II u ME explained. ll l tfted, received, and established forms or Parliamen t, for haa, Mr. Secretary CANNING considered it to be aga inst a i lea o Hone Member to insist upon a deviation from the course. w h ' e re for ages past had Geen pursued. He thought he could stiY t the never had, upon any occasion, been any deviation frou eer coarse pursued by his lion. Friend that night—that t here th e had before been any objection made - to the Speake r leavir4;•ol;e Chair—that there never had been'such a request as that , fl ed the Speaker's leaving the Chair, the estimate s h o uld be °P% o o to the House. They went into a Committee for the e s t )ow, purpose ot hav'ef the details of the eStimates explaineti woe itl because these 'esemates might be asked and given, be against the rules of the House, while the Speaker re a rward, in the Chair. But the Hon. Member for Bristol came t . ° hould and warmly maintaiued that the practice of Parliament s vohi , new be deoarted from—net for the fisrt time since the it v ere 0 tion, but since the existence. of Parliament. And theYwetred• do this, because he had a speech within him, whice. if Pr ° ' e iog) he would deliver.—(A laugh.)—Why, if he (Mr. CO harp might have his choice, he declared to God lie would rather w e re the speech while the Speaker was in the chair than after thg etec er in Coininittee.—(Laughter.)-:-He thought no ground i', l _"_" we ie• had been advanCed, upon which such a departure from tl he ghe flared practice of the House could be entertained. 11 10 re that the present situation of the country was one w d Arno"_" quired them to treat' with the greatest delicacy—he ha t h e Al aaid, With b e e n defene—the feelings of • the. people: 10 400 not ;limit it to give up the usual course of considerin the supplies for posite Casson' defence of the country.. The lion. Gentleman tt P o sible bad made his objections in a spirit from arlY "P re is ' l ° 4° warmth or violence ; • but he knew 'that out of door e f e n against the Supplies was considered one of the last resorra"teet angry and determined opposition. He therefore lit'i n he t P t the Honour a bl e Alernbeir would not press his motion, we Into the Committee and there have any explanations , wi A sh for. nif 111EetnEtt Said . , that the Estimates ought to be f 1