The Sun. — London, England, 1809-05-12 00:00:00

I, [Ol IT ai • — r .., ... r ..7- • •. , -s. - gs. s , ~ . .a...1.{. , Mt . 1,4,1 1.1,; , it:C. “t": 01 LI sat, rills!{ !DM file, , o ernlitilli",' LO . 1.Hii., , , ;,,... v. to of a i‘l eni b er in the , the Home. ' Were they to be , excite - fell, the feral 'fins steted were 'Correa, but: flee he did not Ire ow . Tia''lse, lle thetsele it soe s sea to be entertained, and ; wide:tamps of Pinliament might as . well be atoidti s that 'the inOivislual vet-ease iittire hid been mentioned , ...,- IYould by some a men d men t- - or a l te r at i on o f the ino . , sated. `s'et oe saw many pensioners and persosis t was a Meer of that Heuse, and thak.be did %m -elon, if tile ltietlit Istimoueable Siseeker ,would in- I holding offic4s, who he wen:l(f wish to see out or it , . i.sat e his seat, about the tittle staled ; hut whether or etrual him how that could be accompli s hed, en dea- :! Greater latitude. he was sure bad, been given tit She not it was jq . - eoni equ ,e n t e of an intimation to that your to take the sense of the. Hou s e on a pesepOsition 4 words of his Hon. ,Frientis, than they intended them effect from-v:I.P Treasury, he could not take , -• upon to that eif e e - t , - 7 - ' I. to convey, when it • was;said they did'uot care wire himself to stsite. - Therefore, wheel an Honon‘rable The See ears said tr ., . th0 „,, h .„,. A1 citerec, war's I, tails ;it.] power. When the sea wils rongh, and the -„ Member braelit such a subjeteCt forward,: ,end stated e :., :: ,perfeetly_regelar, yet it was nece b ssery to .have the sails_ and masts oldie vessel overtegene, who could '-..tt to be in liis_prewer to prove the inlet" efsueh die ' allegations recorded ; an d canoe on *l -re edeibiet e. s , , be itiditiisictit,as. to the skill sof the pilot ? It was not-.; kilt . iong, he cert welly could. not Operise elieinquire. ts to furnish the C- are' with .;.' --are' a - copy of his motion. 11 13 thee . if ( - see party went oat, Out another must of ne- ..: \Vali respeeat . to the mode of procuring eatsS in that being 'tette, , ana Ji 4 ___:....,..e..',..,rge1 . b; , trig ~, ep, owe of the cc.,T;,5,13-, cline in, 11 the whole number of both house, it cereainlyevas highly impreper ; ;bet know- !looses were- se , ept away, there would be found in • tug hoe/ long 'such pras4icee had been carried oh, accuser's speech, read by t h e Cl er k, sh e Spe a k e r i -- the -cottony, talents and integrity enough to, form , knowing 'lessee tunny I.eial sat tleere in every I)a.rfia._ noticed that th e rnetion.iconteined two disiina.points. a i Partiame nt. Cntruptistos did (~lust, tietwithe . ment iince the Itevolutioo through sitnihr influenee; es-first, a eleirres dr treitirfki'ne * in the seats,of thAt tew coli 11611 5e --- )111( 1 4 1 111110etici etanding what his rsig H ht onoureble i'd‘rtentl had said h ~ . he could n b trot think it would u,ai , .,ting lilac m e a an of . . e . lenthers.,ll e t h en - exp l a i ne d t h e ° sed'ticr manner:in which Ille VOte Of its ' in the navy as well as - in. the teeny, and is Mari might ' honout were he to t a 7a s advantaee of a political a d.- the question would be - any! '' I ed I. t pat es 'lll Mill.. c ite as attempt to procure their eradication without being. versary uoder such else:mese:owes. There existed charged ,witis revoltationery Princioles, For hims e lf, no man on the face.of the earth who lied so Sorerig• ' Speaker of t h e mo d s! i n w h ic h h e could i ntro d ece hi s arnend ment . 7 - - ,•. - - . - * though be might be positive, th o u g h b e m i g h t b e at c l a i m on hie :resentment as one of .the accused.. I • Mr. Tteeee. v explained: -If• the Chancellor'- of wrongsheaded, or mistaken, lie was not such a fool - His conduct towards Ireland, lie could not r emem b er, the Exch equ e r was pr i v y. to t h e s e con d p a r t o f th e as to harter the many CC:1)11(6)1S he had it in -his polder bet with iedignation. • It - wee owning to hi m i n a • t bar ge , h e h a d no w i s h to exc l u d e hi m . f rom hi s 's to enjoy-, in order to .reach the exit which this de- • great. measure ..that the Pitrlikimene of Ireland was • • anie w i ment. . , setiption of, persons usually came to . I t generally pat down put down by ,practices whi c h h e wot ll , • 1( • ha s , ened its in e 1 i-e , i lan . , that thefirse Revolutioniste . het, Dame, and be could not but. altiore than -a. Mr. Witrirtatters said, he- rose under great dist ' _ Il . in a country tell sacrifices to their. teitreiplee. As.' Ordittary degree of hostility ttavards that.individual advantages after Isis, Bight lion. Friend e not only: • from the display of ability they had just ,heard, but , , for Republics, he would net live to one. They when he reliteied on that - circumstance. He felt were always unbearable i n prosperity', end from • tbereforce the necessity -of of. beingokin , his guard; le s t , fro m his having the Misfortune while he agreed in , som e to differ from him in many points. '- As he ; Greece to the present time, we had examples of their he should carry. his reStstament to au unjustifiable mood in the char/tact of, Secduder of , this motion, • evils. .He wished for no innovation,- but only the re- length. A feW ev l etsiegsetg,o ha had voted against however it behoved hint to say ;something, eneie. , fortn of abases, and was convinced, that it the abuses lanai Cistlereagli ; .lie w o uld aga i n d o so were that'. particularly if it was true that it canes from a party,' in the French Government, had been reformed, or -diecusSien brought forWerd'agnin, but in the pee eeot that in -a parallel case to the Duke of York's, the ►case the circumstanc e s wet et in bie. opini - on velar . Pretending to be no party, which aced Irons coil- ' people had hm.l the same'r e:isons to admire the vigour thlfereote . 1a wits iittpttssible for him to 'reconcile sealed mot I v ee'ont o f doors is and he of course sees • liable to the same eensure. ' - (Rear !) ' Teri ee faint , of their Constitution, there would have beets no • it to hisaconseience to 'state al:sri/Jet bins for heeing , 'cheers of. dis a ppr o ba t i on ; w hi c h h e b e ard, wer e -t o ; 'revolution in that country. elude had been' said of been coucern e d in elleged transtelions.oF that nature. , him totally indaferent. His Itielit lion. eeieowe , the advocates Btlollf.ipaite bad in ,that I-louse. He Ife did len think it jestice When those prataices - ' (Mr, Tj„ nee) ~ tree et iente e..ere not new t o iii . n; lie had the same advocates eliete he had in Prussia, tiers:: carried liti . 1)X ;0,000. difrereot .persons, 'to , .Austria, nod tiose in Sicily--=the coiruptiolis of the ; neltee thoteGentlismete• chin:ger:l bye he Henourtible ad before hearsCthe Untititese 'Of Ilse time, arid the emelt,. So eutich as these grew in this coun- ; Gentitentin to he the eriely vii;litroi, ''.:fiett•so ruins , agitation it would create in the public, urged by - G9vcl., , '''' 'a e ,ntletnen on tbe•Othersides es r ritlita Itelenn: Eut try, so WOUld lie have advocates; end if they refused • who had sat theret.beferst sum,, nay:- . . . this ~ e . . who sit there :to go into charge foie telr of, itnintOting gene. with him, were esidetett.to eseepe with linputtity.-ss • 4 1''';'ether the objeetions to Its:foto) wereettuee or a . .• rally, his advocates would glow still steoneee and ' Tftii I roThour:;sl Itarotiet had end thatoieery sett .4j'se, they :tad 'not bin°. to do e. till ',the. preseet ' stronger, He tteproted tit the motion, , and. trtietesi '. slide - mint latesieia- , acicbil like:;ily brDugh:t in . by Inestioti which teas nut lOll le. I 4 :!d wit,li i!; and •:, if it was. not .successful, it won's! .. at leastsbte,tvell its Honourable Friend (Leto Gorses). - - 'llre - islet). I ! u is•grotold or treed:milt ' Were Only afeentate...l. frOth I nt supp a se 1 non that those denomineted of -no .earty supported. .. , , , , , ; itaronet be stippoesel,..evssiti .not esaisidet any nein Mr.. BeeettriteT replied at consusera me 'length to ' s'ssitsitite whli) did •itoe Istegh 'et it, fr.,it tic-,cii.cl riot light Iloitottreblet Friftlncl intspose the .present 'cede% by t hi s m o ti o n t o that. re s ult. a d r k' , ' the last speaker, but from the 1)06' of the H awes . hesieue to itate it AL !i:sa.s Opitsion, that ;3;11 was 61. • As e're ting e was le.is eettlitee to thts.inn . vose.t i eel weewhe : in which he stood : it was net:poseible to hear lido teshiles l :-to produce the, oesst htn.,,i , tic.iitl' effeEts: / 1 1. distiiicaly, and a few separete. eermirke tveie ail see Leese! of consi , ..!erltie of. tety wild pl o n eo f It e t oen e, -I°llle years ag o pi ece d_ alte curt uptions of Govern- '• could. gain. 1-Ist complained of the : esesileseeese 1 1 , o eeje t a i t esoe k b e v, , ,... , ii it t!. 0 , 4 t w ,k that Ball . 1, 1 . 1 qt upon 'reebrd,, and .sop ported this. ,cause of re- °tent Th e te„,e G et oje uem t h e e seem j uts , wee ,. • gisseteby, the Hon. Gottlient!: . l6 to theArtng 9 .3- :: , c, 4,11 i:no ceresidetatio ie , i m p rove it wh ere i t \ „„ c „ . .,Id '. , ..- c f, , guntent as to the; • ' of .a - • d . out of doors, araignitig the ptopriely tee tune, an conteee- Jad4lnent of t he 'H oe , : - mit.of improvemdut, grid-make the 1)..;.t. iii 'y c 0614 „,, , delivered after deliherate and paineSil iiivestigas lit it, to prevent snot, evii6 . rectirt nig r,iw tnture , but .-1 teat thus w'as tllote fit t km the former petieds,when •-,., The question was aegatated, either duringt be . teinerieen , our,. Foina this stipersiruSlere it was, thit he air- not - to proceed . agan!st in:hvidc„,ls bt:Tan. , :::.; tiwit had ;hued for t lie .. necessity `of 114oren. As :one of that '' tasen proved toed et wills liad lone I,rct) IlQf of i;)iis 'svar, or at the Eteneh Itevolutien. It was aptly calls e d for eher the 6,n4inesrs .01. • the late togoky was nrijority Ire would ask the I . 'iOneGtltitlellielli, Why ? 'IYIIICII.Wai soil more' strAtigtato its thin the sun at becaUse lie gave nocredit to a:welt - tan of INlre. Clarke's ;, Ilona thy ; wl i I --..i.0.t wa3 :is', well linowo astilte,' St L cets ' b6 T(ire flue peblic, 'cod they had formed. aeudgment charaater, lie' Wes is) he itccesed of Correptioit, seas! ' of the metropolis. Ho was 'Oils-, it 111 7 v)lit he said, be- r • t `P"n if, which he eOu•idered them as competent to .d o „,„ , , -, , , . , ~, suet' hivassomption raisea ppt;rt the CaSC The Hon: . cense lie tic:i tl7looded MitiisioN, i'liiit .c..ilue, of hitt " qb Justly ai Parliament testi?, diresely t tie ret erse ''' that pionettriceti by a majority of the House. Th e Get:tient:m.l)Bd told_thetn, he approved of every.sen- , friends were guilty of eh - tiller aetions ; Ise (Ed trot ImPular tet,,o n a s : lie fir r mly believed; expressecl.tbe timent expressed et tele of those Meetings so ,tnech ketne-selie could not answer for them, bet he ((Sis! etnitrien is' Of ter Country. 'l'lle•y thought the vote spoken of., Ono &these senriments, supported by the imsw e r tor himself- Than himself no One could. be a r e, , . 4 klim• Baronet and tr . . , I ' v . --- majority war. Wtong, and therefore called ..or •I. ;:morsel , - Lit., lanes was, OA there should ' more ineecettf; he had never given ene shilling et ' efit rin, and be could not see a titter Occasion, He' be no Placer/ten or Peosinners in the. House. How away in hie life to bribe an - dezeor. TI • ' • 'flat: qi Lest too tic that ihete was a systeinatie attack on a ll pu b, ; happened ;t theneoliat the Honourable - Getitletnan .' was not whether one party had been tuore.eril able tic men, and ns'Serteti, that loose who, Iron) puede ' approving s ot this .Resolution, shoulde.thia night • dem the other, but whether it wo , 'I la '••ti p ..ste c leer i est U) title motives, stood ture•ard as accose rs, sears: more I l►a'ifitaill the dfreatly conlrary opinion ? • Indeed lie rueeed'against individea!s situ l td • s I s le e two esti.. „liable : to it. An Honourable Gentleman lied said told them many things iii that I leese which would , Miters were charged by the lion. Gentleman, Foi 4 few nights ago, that lie would as - soon think -of . ; allay much of the popular feeling , at these meetings. liiS part lie did not think it Would' be just to selea ' . Passing a vote 01 thatiks •to M 6. 'Clarke. fordter ear- , Tee H __onoterable Baronet expressed the atroogest : those Gentlemen as the•only persteis with ought to 7: ,.. ets to Mr; Wardle, fdr hie patriotism. This, as • abhorrence o f brib er y, bat he would • ask him it be proceeded ag:tinst . on such a charge. ''-1f:,,, "Iris 1 1-i-dy had eel virtue, sea, as much as to ~ity there . , was no bribiry for ' Counties as well as for , - licied I.'ot.K:,Tovre . - dill not agree' with t h e Hon,. te , tonour e se e ' Mie le ! h a d at e patrionsm, and th a t Boroughs or if he had forgot the fate of the Sheriff Gentleman who had just sat down; llO f ri d statti q l _ . "tretire kii motives trust hare been bad: lie bed of Middlesee;for conniving at shemeltd votes , at his two reesons why they blionk11)01 pri. , cood iti2,:ll;vSt the t a 'o (1011) 1 h is mot i v e, wt re : v e xe d , fi d Was tr ,„, . owie election I . The Hoese would do well to look , Ministers charged . , witheeorreption. The first be- ' ;IT confes s h e wgiA , and hard ever . been e p arty men , : while they were 'destroying one source of influeneo ; t attse a Bill bad been brought ilea the Llostse which - an d it) his political lite had always acted from inixt'tt they were not opening Ist - stetter to. private -Wealth, alight. prevent the so fisepteut teen - sense of sitele liz,ultives. Whoever acted from teettiseed mittives i , end individual influence., 'The object of such tun- , afeusete—the other because. the hi -1; were. se) noto • „` r uin his knowledge of lieeratt nature, 'he belies ed, ' li o ns 's.,air to - make floe Goveentirent adieus, 'while , ritais 'bet every one knew of thciu. He wished to .Tete. He did not think Itioiselt : dishonest, 110 Ono* they were pretending to say they liked it better than ,- knosv how long the Hon. Gentleinut a lie sp, ta e l a st, , 41 , k utst charge him with it ;no one 'could prove it ; yet aoy other, and the gloat danger . that appeated to as well as the. - Right Hoe. Gentlerneu oppesite, had .. Tee bad ever atled from miXed molt : vest, though as tar . him was, in tnixiog this questidn with a 'eharge of thought' so tayourstbly 01 draft Bill. Whaireer might ' i s lity in his power tor the good o f hi s country.. .par• . general corruption and consequent necessity for ete.. be the ulti ma t e euccese of ' that Bill, ..I.e thought it ! l atnentary Reform w as good, and th e s oo ner it c ou ld throe aThe I-Itinourable (.;eittleman asked what no, ergninent against . inqnitiog roll)th e e•Aiiil.l%l of t)te eccompliaheil the better. .If ithad l taken place I .ncudernent he could have 1 0 ,,,431)(1011 all his COW- those aCCUsed, Wl'. did he think the eine - roily. ofinch , Ilefote, all the bloodshed, tropbles, and,coolusion in torte s . id become a IlevoltitioniSt., lie could not tell radices diminished by ,their noteriety. , He . re :Europe might have been avoided. Ile did not go him ; bat-ibis he' could' say, that others With every i mernbeeed with what a jeer ittdeniarthe seateinents , rTe that ridiculous length ituptiled to some Gentle - . centime in _ their power had chosen to bike that lie made, of a similar natereliad . been greeted. 'They ; u `'"...! that it would he the eat s ' s , f or all taxati o n; ' course, and felt the' efFe , it of a ferinent they had - , did 1101 deny that such abuses t..xisteil in curds, but t this lie believed, fikat it would he benetici4l, aid r•ii , 'd, lint never c"uld Wkly. The 'public passients ' they' did by signs, which revery body tinderettood e vitall e y rood - f o r fte country. The - , wore raised and led by these motions which were but now Gentlemeti opposed the snoitseire, because. , principle, web • salt ;y be , the, gyeittest atithoriri e 3, ElaekstOo- i nut called for since they had a measure in progress . they were ignorant bow far its effeetS might extend. ri Paley, - Mr. Pitt ,and him who was the model Oil • (if the charges' were true) which would prevent . When he. moved that a Ctimitsitiess should be ttp- s which „ lie humbly formed his pclitical lit•e, Mr. Fox, their recurrence. If the Honourable Gentleman pointed for the purpose of malting's) generel iattuley -- II No question but many had bOught Seats _in that , who moved tilis`tauetitott 'thought. it necessary to into abuses, it was'onpOsedabecause it wits boo,geee te,°,u'e ; but here was A much stronger Case of two ' excite clamour and discontent for -the purpose of • ral. Had specific charges been brotteht, it war stated trig of .the Crown taking money for proem - . Prnmalirtg the Parliamentary Reform, which bu . ',.no.:opposition . woul I have erten Made ; but now:ape .Lg the realm of a Men l Ler, and afterwards dis- stood pledged to the Pease and public to bring foes . title charges were le ought forward, it should appear l i 'ling of thtir 'motley it) a manner ' as yet 'perftectly ward, he had , fotiod Means to do so cVen in the short ' they were too specific, 'end general, : measures were _nictiow.e. It was a grosg example :of . the influ- sPe.ech he had made? j - to be preferred; These who then Add, ''' brine, tor , e " s e ,e of Government,. and, be -Ott' least knew, cif.' ,Mr. Wittputteep complained that the Hsumur- ward spreihe charges ; let us see who among us is gtoltibreachea- of private confidence, .or cif any corrupt able Gentleninu's speech teas a tissue of misreprest„ht- thlwfuthy rata seat in this. !louse," 11, - ; , l , ittiblu,d)ingly ' sin r . C 4 ! S q°oh whence the • inforniaCern .was derived. 1360115 of what he had said, fle' had neVer said the stood; forw,it-J to prevent such an int)o;cs. I,citql itt ivast ton. tit'entiirmatt (Mr. Cartwrieht) had said this • House al COlllOlOl4 decided from ; corrupt motives,. stituted, and 19 - screei t tholie eiti lrgi: ,l w i t h ; . :44 - 1 - 01 .,,„ of doors sai.-I sO, and not that he firm; I f their receat eruersestiegs had eNcitc,t OP hi,- NV l ie l t7 t . r i t y.,: f : I " "'tack , on all iniblic inen,,which those kR 3 T , -Perstins ( •"'t agnied ip opiiiii 4 4 with them, diguatii,a ()ithe country, lie .list Itot, !)ii6l: Owir.;tet bpeti ti;', l i.' l . lsl '', l " e i ,"' 00 i Where. it ivotild end, ow - se:ailed _ Ir, lieettuese explained,. • , . tit thus would teild to 'allay the 'terillt-iii t:Jcitoti, 41 'the not. - - -1- to 4 13 iCit: a sThod here. ;But why had . n" ~ ~ tor ) , l ''' 4• en - it before le ills last Hainpaldic Peti- Lord C : . , where letters ' L - • • 1' . - ilk reasons for %visiting for Parliantent.uy 11,40tfu --; the ruestion as it aitc.lo,l hy ii4eil, nod proittiti:e'lvi.i. . were given io obeitince train per- . -.. . , e . I % ‘ iiilb Scri re „ l ' t libert trout the or no .Iccordin I" its tile" etidete'r. ' )1(.1 , )':c.).) releht Hewielied Ministers to be set a y ~ . g, . 4 ~ .0 , . ~.. , 'L . lr„, a, '' nnc i Mr. Freern.intle was tried en the-. : a c ou ''- llT t 'e urint a %the? No staud was made then, to, barrassing detainee they had to attend that they preponderate for or again 5t fee pd.) 60:,,t . 5•aCet.1.--- ste 11 Wag. WiSfled to be 11130 e noes, when two Mini- ' might be better able to perform the , ".functions of - T 1,4, Noble; Lord then ente.red into the cile wt I:irgt., heir offices. This . I\loble Lord. was ,considerably end concluded by Stilling, that elides , till the eiri'Alioe " were 'cliargt•d with taking Money for the sale of , T xv lent. it IV-CS:Salt! tittle was no precedent; but besides embarrassed in speaking, for which he apologized ' stances, though he knew -a general relation had tiiketi ' a t they had lately witnessed, there wits- a •pre''' by saying, be had 'of late had other things in his, place since those who, wore accused had beset jar Nene • mind more theta-oratory. - • power,' though he knew- that *many who would fee in to I, Of a - Resolution of - the - House to - inquire , • ' 101 l Corruptions of the last ten years of the . Mr. POI:SONal" Said 1)6 could remember no debatei d oi l to vote that night,roust, like 1 1Ir . Quit4n calle , . .i . "l'stretion Sir to s , Dick, Vote•in their' .favour, or vacate their , seats', he. hi s . . ,of I beat Walpole, . Why did in which so many speeches had been 'thrown away. . ,- . . . . is ``'ght Honourable Friend, it 'he sup Parted Ministers being..accuses) of having procured th e e ke. Old not think They pouid epposo theApo!Loo, .. . doctrine '. ~ vote against Lord Castlereagh •ie—, lion of an indi% dual 433 , improper influence, and of Mr. WlNDlraat said t' '• b 1 , s• now so beasilY , 41e a• t St, i t ,„ . , , _ .... } ,i t aS dangerous now, it was equally sc. then . dismissing or , ointsing that, itidividoal to' vacate his complained of, had existed unnoticed in those tilpes gre ,c,." . _ l ! ric en i tary Reform had f made_ wonderful pro- , scat 'because he refused to ~vote contrary to the clic- eshiele bad been; called - the:beet. They 'ought 'nor . of;; sine: ( : t 1 IC publicationo the. Duke of .). orls's fetes of his conscience, : Th,.. q4estioll was, whether with a rash and violent band to attempt to eradicate of ;; h arel the People were still mote- C).)))ViiiCt.,(l or not an inquiry shoeld be, made into the circuits-,'' 1116/11 tiij 11,10 Whale 'of the' cirtantistanCbs itadikettn we had long been ' convined, that the :ieflu s ; stance?, and in answer to it they bad been about mat'urelyeconsidered. For by ..- :tie'sr.loirse, ‘'..e might An e l! - - the Cole n ,was banefully exerted on tile fur - five houn4 debating on• the proceedings that bad with, (Sr instead, at,evil • that "I ''' was the: tear up O. oicit w , tnali on , ( r i . .. . . teen , te n that House. .Tit proof of tins latter . aster- taken plate out of s that flonse et public meetings, infinitely aloft; valoable to' us than ,-any Old% we far quottlr the instance of the Scottish Poet' end discussing the propriety of attempting a !parka could could possibly gain by entsit a prosSedot r e- 'lle ek. ns, win' hadalmost i I . e i seri , , lost its employment ;scan Ex- ine•trtaly Reform. Such a change as 'they proposed. .. Monts of the air we breathe contain pntflt.H; I.vhich r„,(1 : 1 4 11 mug laVouriog the lletormere of hi,4 day. He ettdeavouring to:et : feet,' he thought no trifling ques-' . we know to b e of a polt,onous'carure, btu were we Pit of one pt the Bard's letters descliptive of lien. It would be a elialige enter awful, most tre, , i - 10 attempt taktug those a ~ '.'ill• , we Shoti:d prohisbly 'lle tre e e ,... „1. ... , ~ ( 14.1t0n, its which, he ciAtl lt,e . was told by Ins titendoes in the resent stile: eft he World ; lie should Like with diem leant which. 0; ,Jsavutial. ft> opr exis,t ti",trlit',ra that hue ~ass " ti.) :. , trot-td think; to be. therefore be, silent on that cubed till sonie measure ence, 50 if 'Wtt atteopted to returns i,nd allor the _ J t rue oh' "'-' " tt . - . (40:-111, Attof ~sate commentfionAldi ‘4 ,, as proposed- to that effete, - w filth he - felt 'tented. represemition - 'fro m . . t It-t.ll pAtt‘i.. the woata it ever hit! 1,. • , ' tit er , li - • essi rt:s e t his -i'le • - • 1 , n . e a . , - , -et • set einetenee; il l opinion from u p on t r y h ie ditty to support. -, .I't was'impossible - for tintuaf) . c.) , l of oer t.';) o; we u li g ri nt deprive 11 ill. Gentlemen (Sir F. Butdett e Mr. '...5.1udn , -- bun to ~ , , Q t e. v!..k the sehtee • - sisoultf be paosed Over Four e:ististittitioe by F.: 40;11e cut till filar: vests good' • , vaittable ; Attempting . ufmrwe' c-Icrroso, We 'might te4 garment:aq , ( 4 )0" it'''t'Prnitl'*• - Vere, all the t reat rntn. - ot „foriner :tink?i,Nibose natnes_we havehesit accustor4lurveuer4te, .to top set doWp 'as corrupt men by the adoption4,l inch a plan ? lie . would nor 'hutVe that i''„..knottieutior t ; by: which the country had risco lo„whrt.! aliere4 iii any re.speet Whatever.,,i That cOrropiton was undeniable, corttiption.l3 tO to bot tom, but he , believed mor t , would. he tontid at th bottom than at the top. •The lower they went thts Worse they cOontlto .\rhat man, hetveretyprodent and ro.gal in the administration of Li own private ofrairs, could prevent the.existenee Of abe,ses .o n hi s &collies ? . Abuses _would exist im his 'stable, Or in his garden, w filch coulrl not see pr. .pre`rent.. The motion wit nt t.O charge Govern . MOnt, not -Walt abusei coentenaticed, by them, but with those.which they ,could nut prevent, Andletk-, In a reform in Parliament they woold go near to overtui n' the Government,, He did not knew Whei, Oleo the taxes, great. as they were, bore tt .greater - proportion to th e revenue (lithe couotry:than for merly. If luxury did not increase with the. taxe* he did not think, their ‘vel?,la would he:found So execs. ! , siVely.great. Mr. Quintio Dick had not been forced to vacate his seat as his Noble Friend had incorreel ly stated ; na'one could force him to ‘incate thought it probable tiigq,A4r..Quitutin' Dick went to Consult ,with ,tilinisters.as to the line of conduCt lie ought topi:usue, as his ;conscience would not suffer him to vote with them. _When ,he found his, incli pations,run counter to theorishes ref th i ne who had procured him a seat, he might have teudzredit again to those fxorn whom: lie received i i e ditt not think it woujd be proner id punish iutdividnals kir yvhat had been so gencrelly praCtised by others; 2114 concluded generally'opposing the motion. 'Lord A. HANtivrox rost, amidsrloud and - rei;. i terated caJls for the question. fie spoke 'in far Our of the motioti 5 but the tomolt which prevailethin the House rendered ,it imposSible, tax colletq Iris words. with ,precision.. ' wit.,Dyßkoner. was as much kii3poied as any man, not only tovindioate the eliara6ter of the'per-' sons accused, but, even to, acknoWletige tho , ztal and 'assiduity exerted by thetn in.tl,t; ptibl,t fiervisoL , it Was toils charseter which the had !tow. to attend to; and if they would but Tor a moment :consider the quesii , n befOre them tlrltl <t Moral eve, the; eceold- be no doubt,abourtheitOdeei among a multiplicity of otlotr'reAsong, imposed it as'a duty upuo hitn , fovote ford.lllkr'brigt ,6al oulstion; - . :Mr, Secretary CAtlNt:so begged leave .toleffer a few olpiervations, even at that late hour of the bight although lie had , but. little to.add to the.orgiiitilents which had already been urged agaiwa thointnibtf of the. Hon. + - Gentleman. could not Well r6flain from reminding the House. that the inwiial at pre sent before theitoyas acknowledged to he a first stcp towards rarliamenutry Reform ; and that the 'nesting proposedolor enabling the House . : tti'taW that step, were impradivable. Against. -such a measure the flouse hod now to make a determined stand. The time was now come, when.not only a great majo of that Ifoase, • but also, the retiett ins • and_ sinnid part of the Coon try,, would pronounce tut opinion, that iit,resisting the motion of tins liononr able Gentleman, they n"led a part not less ac ceptable to the feelings Of the people, than it was conducive to the safety of the State, The ouestion before the Howe should not be considered on nar row grounds, or on its ownTarticular and separate merits. 'lt was. the duty of Parliament to view it in all its bearings / and while they attended to thepar ticular case, not to ovedook its general conse quences ; -What these conserpleoces might be, it was tin dcfriOnlf matter to coujeaure, when due attention was paid to, the nature of the .resolutions which had boco passed else Where, and to she names that - wete affixed to these resolutioas. The I-114190 were told to take care how they ,sited in contrandion to the sttw of the people. .t. tut how and where was tobe,;.,,sce,tajo e d ? .Was it M the Corn -okose..of _Porliameto, or in those meetings which were held to' c.mvass the tonclua of that \Vele the 11 , 01! to only 10 those oino,o; ilielU Mid ,c3nie„teekio,l cu d 'mho wohld -inculcate on the liotnte"the iesS'aa4 Whidfrthey tei,:elVOCt and brought from such a sc h o ol $ I ipuitt we not,lot4; to the motives from wiklosoeh ,persooS tided, as well as to the princi.g pies they thought prooer to profess ; and in-taking this view'. of the - .nature and tendency oft heir cow; dal; were we .not to learn wl o we shall avoid, as well 83 had to adopt ? With respea to the seheine which W.IS hatching in these 4necti ngs ; no' Matt • tOtild be in the dark Welfad to guard itgaierst the mach oat iotts of dangerous' deinagognet at least when such tneetingsTresomed tO,Lking the condua of that House to iccount; Unit' Neese hatfan ecit.olLti . ghtto nvird ioto.and.omiritadvert upon the ' tendency' of their' t:ontloil..rstoked it were an abjor - - 1 alien of Collalpn sense flot to see the motivesond to appreciate the ,it wotlOp. 'the 4lttempt• at Varnaituentary Refoi wail at oil thaes,lo,6oi o o.thic ; ;It a o,loloont like the pros e nt was clamorous • the Con;4l.4p.ences lic r yond any (14.10 p ctitte calco la i tir o 0t.,:p..a of the pro' :111 viAs r nCit Merely tO indi.t.ed it diSdaiitied Itet,o,;il 110,,;i;ity-"bot it, Wero • Dow to b acct , lo to, : It stop there ? • Would riot "'the spirit it was, intended to Oscite tornorroiv :tOr • Anotto - nomeroos' vicalois ? Where 'WoUld its pro icat caiserptetices stop It mostbear dowu ,all public _men in pubhc situations, and leave 'their roomte-be filled by prOvidential melt Wit hew pradice, without experiences. The Houk) would sorely paose. b e f or e they, adopitxl prtiposi. . (iott that mast lead to such a series of ,consequences, Ha must again be permitted to reunind the tltut ,tlit main and sole Objeet ;the present rnation Waft.a Reform in,Parliatnent y. th at the Hots"-MoHots"-Mover, ,aVer, sid t .more pattictilatly the Noble. Lord (Folkstone) Who supported the motion, expressly sotted thet - th e y were atinated by no hoittlefeclings agaiost his Col that they:had - no wish Or intention what soever to see them „rt,moved4rotn ottice ; that their grt!atobjeCt was' a Tel t ron of that. Howe in short, that 'all their'. 'clitithe werediredeti to Parliamentary Retort)). 'They had already advanced w 6 steps ; they had but one more to, take, ittld that was to relieve his Mioisters frotn ail attendance in ruurlia. mew. `).‘hey Nynnid first tot) public of all the 01.chatocier, knowitiz that yittioaf . t“teli Lield they most prove defenceless and