The Sun. — London, England, 1864-07-08 00:00:00

F.APERIAL F.II.IILIATIENT ROUSE OF OP LORDS—Last Evening. The LORD CIEANCELLOR took.his seat upon the woolsack at the usual hour. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The Wellington and Drayton Railway, the Dublin, Rathmines, Rathagnr, &0., Railways, the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board, and the London, Chatham, and Dover Railway (No. 1) Bills were read a third time and passed. BOMBARDMENT OF COPENHAGEN IN 1807. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition, as was under stood, from a respectable medical practitioner, Dr. Burne, praying for compensation for different injuries inflic ed on his property by the bombardment of Copenhagen in 1807. He quoted precedent for the course he proposed. MANCHESTER. SHEFFIELD, AND LINCOLN SHIRE RAILWAY (STEAMBOATS) BILL. The Duke of RICHMOND moved that the suspended order of the 21st April last be dfrpensed with in regard to the said bill, and that the bill be alkswed to be read a second time. The noble duke cited some precedents in support of his motion. Lord REDESDALE said that the coarse proposed to it would render the sessional order a nullity, and there were already twenty- eix bills for the consideration of the committee, which it would be impossible to get through at that advanced stage of the session of Par liament. The result of the course proposed would lead to considerable inconvenience, and ought not to be sanctioned by their lordships. After some discussion the motion was agreed to. The Life Annuities and Lite Assurance Bill was read a second time. CIVIL BILL COURTS (IRELAND) BILL. The house went into committee on this bill. The LORD CHANCELLOR explained the leading pro visions of the measure, which he contended was calculated to improve legal procedure in Ireland. The bill then passed through committee. The Factory Acts Extension Bill was read a second time, • THE RAILWAYS CONSTRUCTION FACILITIES BILL. Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY moved the second reading of this bill, which had come up from the other house. The Duke of BUCKINGHAM objected that it trans ferred to the Board of Trade powers at present possessed by Parliament. He would move that it be read a third time that day three months. After a short conversation the amendment was with drawn, and the bill was read a second time, it being under stood that it should be referred to a select committee. The RailwaS Comdanies Powers Bill was read a second time. _ L.The Summary Procedure (Scotland) Bill was read a third time, and passed. The Commons' amendments to the Settled Estates Act Amendment Bill were considered, and agreed to. The Salmon Fisheries (Scotland) Acts Amendment Bill passed through committee. The Clerks of the Peace Removal Bill and the Greek Loan Bill were read a third time, and passed. The Piiotage Order Confirmation Bill was read a third time, and passed. The Lunacy (Scotland) Bill and the Burials Registra tion Bill were read a second time. Theip Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS.--Last Evening. The SPEAKER took the chair at a quarter before four o'clock. THE WAR IN NEW ZEALAND. Sir F. SMITH said to. morrow he should ask the Under Secretary for War whether ho would have any objection to lay on the table a return of the number of officers and men who had lost their lives in New Zealand. POSTAGE TO AUS is Lord A. CHURCHILL asked the Secretary to the Trea sury if he would have any objection to lay upon the table of the house a copy of the Duke of Argyll's letter to the Treasury, dated the 23d day of September, 1856, with re ference to the compulsory pre-payment of letters to Aus tralia ? Mr. F. PEEL said there would be an objection to lay a copy of the documenton the table. TURNPIKE GATES. Mr S. WESTERN asked the &cretsry of State for the Home Department whether it was his intention to introduce a measure founded upon the recommendations contained in the report of the select committee appointed to inquire into tne expediency and practicability of abolishing turnpike gates; and, if not, whether he would consent to leave out of the Continuance Act those trusts that are free from debt ? Mr BARING said that it was not the intention of the Government to bring in any bill during the present session. POLICE PAY, Sir W. .MILES asked the Secretary to the Treasury whether he had as yet submitted a case to tho law officers or the crown as to the legality of the deductions made from the one-fourth paid by the Treasury to-: wards the pay and clothing of the county and borough police, as regards the two items, viz., the payments made by the said county and borough police towards the Superannuation Fund, and fines imposed upon the said county and borough polies fur misconduct; and it so, at what decision the law officers of the Crown had arrived. Mr F. PEEL said a case 5v::..,3 submitted to the law THE nonTrcuurun SOJIITY. officers. Sir W, GALLWEY asked the First Commissioner of Works whether certain arcades and galleries, until lately in the possession of the Keusingt(n Royal Horticultural Society, were about to become property of the State? Mr W. COWPER said a deed of conveyance was being executed, but was not yet finished. The property never belonged to :he Royal liorticuhural Society. They were the property of the Commissioners of tne Exhibition of 1862. NAW ZEALAND. In reply to an HON. MEMBER, Mr. CARDWELL said they had no farther intrdligence from New Zealand. All ihey had was the telegram. The mail had not yet arrived. THE VOTE OF CENSURE-THE ADJOURNED DEBA LE. On the order of the day for the resumption of the ad journed debate being read, Mr LAYARD said he never rose under a more painful sense of the responsioility that devolved upon him than he did that evening, bocau.e it would become his• duty to justify the acts of one of the departments of the Government, with which ho, perhaps unworthily, was connected. He shoultf. have., in the course of his remarks to vindicate the character of a statesman who had taken his place in history, and one the otject of whose deeds has been to add a lustre to the annals of his country. Against that noble lord in the course of this debate garbled extracts—he would not say falsified ex tracts—had been brought. (Cries of "Oh, oh.") Ha hoped hon. gentlemen would wait until he had failed to prove his assertion, because there would be plenty of time thsn to cry " oh, eh." The right honourable gentleman the member for Buck inghamshire, in the course of his observations in bring ing forward the motion, had referred to early portions of the negotiaJons, but in acquitting himself of his task, it would be his duty to fill up the intervals the right hon. gentleman had passed over. The hon. gentleman then proceeded to narrate the whole of the negotiations ou the Danish question, beginning as early as those of 1848, which e ventually led to the treaty of 1852, which he stated was not one of guarantee, but was one in the interests of peace. Ho could not assent to the principle laid down the other evening by the hon. member fur Rochdale, because be felt that his principles, if carried out, would lead to the die menaberriacnt of Switzerland. In considering the ques tion with a view of arriving at a right conclusion, it would be necessary to discover who were the principal actors in transactions in which the Duke of Augustenburg was csneerned. Who, he would ask, advised the Duke of Augustenburg to accept the compro mise at that time offered him ? Who, he would ask, advised him to resign his right, and whose name ap peared so frequently in the Dano-German papers? Why, M. von Biemark. (Cheers from the Opposition side.) Who, in addition to this, did all he could to forward the same object—why M. de Beget ; and yet these two persons were now doing their utmost to set aside the established succession in S chleswig.H o l e t e i n . When. Lord Russell came into office he found the Schleswig-Holstein matter already in a very complicated state, and on Rearch ing the records of the Foreign_ o ffi„ seven folio volumes of despatches were found, and the langnaire of Earl Russell, which was now so much found fault with by the other side of the house, was almost i dentically thg same as already existed in th r) ese dli " despatches. In t - °Be despatches —(c order, orde--- Lord R. CECIL rose to order. He did not think it was competent for the hon, member to read f rom despatches I which were not before Parliament. The SPEAKER ruled that the despatches could not be read. Mr LAYARD then continued, and said that although he could nut read an extract from those despatclii s, yet he felt he could refer to them, and he therefore said tha tin those seven volumes nearly all the t erms used by Earl Rus sell w ere to be found. The hon. gentleman then went on to dawn' the course adopted by Earl Russell, and contended that in all the steps he had taken in order to bring the hostile powers to amity and peace they had bean taken in concurrence with France, and he utterly denied that the despatch, which had been so much commented on as having been written at Gotha by Earl Russell under Ger man influence was consistent with the facts. Such he assured the house was not the case, as the despatches were written in London before be went to Gotha. The proposals in that despatch were accepted by France and Prussia, but refused by Denmark, and had they been ac cepted, they would have tended to a proper settlement of the Schleswig-Holstein difficulty. The hon. gentleman then read quotations from th ,, , speech of Lord Palremeton in order to show that France a nd Russia Were as much re ferred to in the event of aggression in Denmark as ever England was. The honourable gentleman then pro• ceeded to read extracts from the correspondence, to show that Earl Russell had not used the threats th tr Lad been attributed to him, and he denied that that noble lord had ever lost one favourable opportunity of offeri : r e; mediation, even when the Diet was threatening - cation. The noble earl had been accused of sed .1 g Denmark in negotiations, but honourable menah s, if they read the blue-book aright, must come to a different conclusion. Then, again, it had been said that Earl Russell had launched his noble friend Lord Wodehouse to Copenhagen, but at whose suggestion was he sent from England, not certainly at the instance of this coun try, but at the instance of Russia, and he utterly denied that Earl Russell had ever asked the King of Denmark to do an illegal act, such as had been imputed to him by hon. gentlemen opposite. There was a de spatch written by the noble earl of the most important nature, which had been generally misunderstood, it was not a war despatch, but one which was hoped would preserve peace. It was not addressed to France alone, bat also to Russia, Sweden, Austria, and Prussia, and he con tended that as all the other powers to the treaty had refused to fulfil it, England war, released from the necessity of going to war. The hon. member for Horsham stated on Tuesday night that. England went into the Conference de claring she would support the independence and integrity of Denmark; but this she never did, for even Denmark admitted that they went into the Conference without any regard to the basis of 1851 or 1852. '2.he right hon. gen tleman opposite said by way of complaint that her Majesty' s Government had proposed in the Conference the line of the Schlei. and that it was made without the co-operatioh of the ambassador of Russia. But it hon. members would turn to the record of the Conference they would find Lord Cla rendon stating in two of the protocols that that proposal was ndt solely the proposal of her Majesty's Government, bat that it was brought forward with the co-operation of the neutral Powers. Baron Bruanow consented to support the proposal, and said that he was prepared to go into the Con ference on the basis of 1852, but if that basis were found to be untenable, he would support the line of the Schlei. Lord Russell had been accused of breaking his promise with re gard to the line of the Schlei ; but what the noble lord said was that he would not propose an; other line but that of the Schlei, not that he would not make another proposition, which was an important distinction. (Hear, hear) What would that house or the country have thought if the noble lord had said, "I will make no proposal for arbitration ; let them go to war." Why, that was a step in the way of peace. The proposal was unfortunately refused by Denmark, Austria, and Prussia, and war ensued. He must refer to another statement of ihe hon. member for Horsham, because he believed that there never had been a speech made in that house which had shown a greater disregard for dates. (Laughter, and "Hear.") The hon. member stated that he had heard Lord Russell say in the other house that within twenty-four hours he had again made an offer to France to go to war for Denmark. [Mr FITZGERALD sig nified dissent.] The hon. gentleman mu3t not contradict him—(laug.hter)—he was afraid he was pressing him too tight. When the hon. member made that statement he (Mr Layard) interrupted him, and said it was not the case ; and the hon. gentleman said, "I heard the Foreign Secre tary say that the French Government had declined to go to war for Denmark." He (Mr Layard) had to state that there was not the slightest foundation for that. When the Con ference met, the Emperor of the French spontaneously stated why France could not give her support to Denmark at that time. He had shown that Lord Russell had not used threats, but that the language he had used had been uni formly used by France—that he had not been unnecessarily meddling, and that he had supported the honour of this country, and had throughcut shown an ardent desire to maintain peace. (Cheers.) He now came to a very im portant matter. The right hon. gentleman opposite (Mr Disraeli) stated that a change of language had taken place on the part of France in the autumn of last year, and he attributed that change of language to two reasons—first, to the way in which France had been treated in the Polish question; and, secondly, the refusal to accept the Congress' proposed by the Emperor. His right h in. friend the mem ber for Strand, in his very able speech, 1a...c1 ventured to grapple with the right hon. gentleman on the question of Poland, and hack shown that that policy had been forced upon the Government by the House of Commons—(hear, hear)—and that the G , vernment had acted in complete conformity with the decision of the house. Then, again, with reference to the speech of the hon. member fer Hors- ham, who had referred to despatches of Feb. 18, Feb. 21, and Feb. 27, would the house believe that not one of the dates of these despatches was correct ? That part of the speech was a complete and absolute mystification. The despatch of Feb. 27 only existed in the hon. member's ima gination, and the other two despatches had nothing to do with this particular question. (Cheers.) But what were the facts ? The debate on Poland took place on Feb. 27, On March 2 Lord Russell wrote the first demptch, and he sug gested to the French Government—not in the strong terms of the motion, but in more courteous terms—the spirit of the address of the hon. member for King's County. (No, no,) Let the hon. member who cried " No" refer to the despatches. The hon. member for Horsham, on the coca- SiCat of the debate on Poland, reminded the house that be had seen an illustrious Polish patriot, who hoped that some thing would be done for Poland. Ale (Mr Layard) knew that illustrious patriot. But why was the promise held out to him at the time? Because bon. gentlemen opposite thought they would embarrass her Majesty's Government. (No, no, and cheers) The right hon. gentleman opposite had declared that there were only two Hues cf policy to be pursued with regard to Pel md—viz., that Poland sh-.uld be made an in dependent kingdom, or that the Poles should be declared free. The resolutions of the hon. member for King's County were war resolutions, and the right hon. gentleman oppo site objected to them, and recommended they should be withdrawn, in order that they it ight be emasculated, [Mr DISRAELI—I recommended .hi.n to withdraw the resolu tions.] The noble lord at the head of the Government was willing to have a discussion, but hon. members opposite objected, The hon. member for King's County said ho was ready to proceed with the resolutions; bat where were the right hon. gentleman and thelon. member for Horsham when the division took place ? Why, to use a word which had become almost classical, they " skedaddled." (Laughter and cheers) but what was the fact ? The fact was that the hon. member for King's County was betrayed, and the illustrious Polish patriot was betrayed also, (Cheers.) He (Mr Layard) knew the history of that transaction. That illustrious Polish patriot was led to believe that the Con • servative party were going to support him, and he be lieved that Poland was going to be restored by war. Bat the fact was that the whole thing was got up to embarrass her Majesty's Government. When they found the country was not for war, they skedaddled. (Laughter and cheers.) Then the right hon. gentleman said that in the answer given to the proposition for an European Congress the Emperor of the French, whom he called his peculiar (Heed, had been offended ; but did not the right hon. gentleman himself use more offensive language when he accused the Emperor of the French of having •abandoned an old ally and a people who had freely shed their blood in support of his dynasty. Such language, which was a reflection on the honour cf the Emperor as a sovereign, and on his humanity as a man, was infinitely more discourteous than anything which had been written in Lord Russell's despatch. (Hear, hear,) He had listened in vain to the speeches of hon members opposite for any clue to the policy they intended to pursue. fie had heard much about the honour of Eng land and peace; but the country would not be satisfied with such vague words. (Cheers-) He should be glad to hear how her Majesty's Government could have ected otherwise than they did. Ile had only heard of two suggestions; the first was that made by Earl Grey, that in the month of January this country should have sent 25,000 mon to the Dannewerke; the other was that her Majesty's Government should have observed a total abstinence from interference. With regard to - the first proposal, would any reasonable man have thought of sending 25,000 men to Denmark, in the depth of winter ? That was a proposition too vague and chimerical for consideration. There was one passage in the speech of the right hon. member for Stroud which deserved attention; that part of it which drew a distinction between interference ant intervention. With regard to interference, he was as much opposed to it as the honamember for Rechdele ' or the hon. member for Birmingham; but mediation in fevour of peace is a matter of duty. (Cheers.) And any Govermieent having the opportunity of bringing about peace, but who re fused mediation for the purpose, would be deserving not f praise, but of execration. (Cheers) He wished to make one more reference to the speech of the hon. member for Hor• sham. When it was objected t o hon. gentlemen opposit e that they did not bring forward a motion before the Confer ence met, the hon. member for Horsham exclaimed, "How could we pronounce an opinion, or bring for ward a motion, when the papers containing the despatches were only laid on the table at the end of March P" Now, so far from that being the case, the papers were presented the Ist day of March. (Loud cheers upon the Ministerial benches, and cries of "no, no" on the Opposition benches.) Therefore, the statement of the hon, gentleman was most reckless. (Renewed cries of "no, no" from the Opposition benches.) There was a difference of a whole month between them, and ample time was allowed for bringing forward a motion. Mr BAI I.LI E—They were not distributed until the 20th. Mr LAYA RD—The correspondence only ended at the beginning of February—die answer from Vienna was not received until then—and the papers were in the hands of members at the beginning of March, From the right hon. member for Berko it was impossible to obtain any definite idea of his policy. (Hear, hear.) The right hon. gen. letzten was too much versed in the mysteries of politics to commit himself. (Cheers) But, looking round to the men of that party who h a d not the art of t h e ' r i g ht hon.em who was h o n. gentleman, what did they say ? Why, the one amongst them most e.heered wa s t h e right h )n, mem b er f or Huntin g d on (Gon. Peel), He would not stop to ask whether that did not confirm the - various suspicions floating in the political world —(laughter %rid ironical cheers)—but the right hon. gentle man, having :I,?guti his speech by declaring be was no par tisan, went on to remind the house that two years ago, is an after dinner speech, he had spoken of the maculation, "degradation," ~ e ad.every other ation—(laughter)—which had befallen this country in reference to D,nwark. Ana then the right hon. gentleman, being at the end of his tether, and having completely exhausted his own vocabu lary, had recourse to the columns of the morning Standard, where alone he could have found language so choice, and branded us :w big mouthed bullies who sneaked off on the first show of danger. (Ironical cheers and laughter.) The hon. member for Bradford (Mr W. E. Forster) quoted one part of the gallant general's speech, in which he spoke of the tarnished honour of England; bat there was another part of the speech, in which he said that, if such things had happened in common life, the greatest coward would have rushed forward to protect the weak, without even asking what was the cause cf quarrel—and then, added the right lion. gentleman, he saw no reason why the Foreign-office should not have acted in the same spirit. Well, what was that but a war policy ?—(Ministerial cheers)—and a war policy of the very worst kind, because it was founded upon sentiment, and not upon right. (Lend cheers) That was the policy of the right hon, gentleman, who .vas loudly cheered by every member on the benches opposite. (Re newed cheers.) Who did they next put up to advocate a peace p.licy Why, of all men in the world, the noble lord the member for Stamford (Lord it. Cecil.) (Laughter, and ironical cries of " Hear, hear.") If there was any member of the house who had used strong language in favour of Denmark, it was the noble lord (Cheers) The noble lord was a man of great power, and if it were not that ha was in the habit of showing an unfairness towards his political op ponents that went beyond the privilege of partisanship—the noble lord would be a very great man in that hoase, end he had no doubt he would be so in future time. But he would ask the house whether the noble lord had ever made so bad a speech as on the other night—(laughter) —and the reason was because he aavocated a cause in entire opposition to his own sentiments. (Hear.) The hon. member for Rochdale said there was no difference between the gentlemen sitting on that and on the other side of the house. But now, really, was there no difference ? The hon. gentleman in the course of his very able speech admitted that the trade of the country had made more progress within the last 25 years than in and hundred years preceding. Well, had the right hon. gentle men sitting upon these benches no hand in producing that marvellous progress? -(cheers)—had they not, by availing themselves of the ability of the hon. member himself, given to this England of ours some beneficent legisla ion ?-- (renewed cheers)—and had not gentlemen on the benches opposite taken a tone which must be especially distasteful to the hon. member on the vital question of America ? (Cheers.) Why, if gentlemen opposite had been upon those benches, we should have been at war with the United States. (Cheers and loud cries of "No, no," from the Opposition benches,) See how they were committed as regarded America ? He and others saw around that house anxious faces, who were waiting for the overthrow of thaTiovarnreent, because they knew that the moment the gentletnen opposite came in the rams would go out of Liverpool. (Loud cries of "No, no," from the Opposition benches.) Why, almost the highest legal authority of the party had committed himself in that house to the policy of the rams: (Cheers.) The hon. gen- tleman continued—Let 'me ilk what great crime has Earl Russell committed to authorise the house to eject the Mi nistry from office ? I do not mean to say that mistakes may not have been committed—(Opposition cries of " Hear, hear")—still Ido not admit any, But who is there that has had to carry on a long and difficult negotiation that has not had to say, on looking beck, that something there was which might have been done better? (Ministerial cheers.) I boldly say that, during the whole of these negotiations, my noble friend has dime his utmost to preserve the mode ration of Europe, and that any mistake Which he may have made is infinitesimally small compared with the great policy which he had carried out. (Cheers.) Talk of lowering the just influence of the country! I will tell you what has lowered its just influence. It is the speeches we have heard from the other side of the house, telling foreign countries and foreign Governments that we are humiliated—telling them, while actually fouling yeur own nest, that an Eng lish Ministry can 'be base, dishonourable, and cowardly. (Loud cheers.) 'Tie that which lowers the just influence of England in Earope. {Renewed cheering.) You may con demn the Ministry, but, let me entreat of you, dun't degrade the country. (Great cheering.) You say you simply mean a vote of want of confidence; then, if that be so, withdraw this resolution (Cheers.) Remember, your resolution de clares that the great infla -nee of the country has been lowered, and remember, if it is carried, that that will be branded upon the records of P*rliament for all time. (Great cheering.) But I utterly and entirely deny that the just in fluence of the country has been lowered, and I look forward with confidence to the verdict of the house and the country upon the question. (Cheers.) I can't believe, after the state ment which I have made—l can't believe, after showing how Lord Russell has been misrepresented and misunder stood, how unjustly he has been abused—l cannot believe, I say that the house or the country will condemn a Minis ter who has laboured beyond all other men with truth and sincerity, and, in spite of taunts and threats, has success fully laboured, throughout a period of unequalled difficulty and danger, to preserve to this country the inestimable blessings of peace. (The hon. gentleman resumed his seat amidst loud and prolonged cheering.) Mr HARDY said he did not wonder that gentlemen opposite should have received with cheers the first defence for the Government despatches. (Cries of "No, no," in the Ministerial benches ) It was not his intention to revert back to the early period of 1843, as in his opinion the origin of the present controversy dated from Septem ber, '62. On the 24th of September in that year Lord Russell gave the German Powers to understand that he would support them in their contest with Denmark, and then later iu the year the noble lord gave advice to Denmark which directly induced the issue of the letters patent. The correspondence with Mr Howard fully established that. Bet the hon member who had just spoken had charged his right hon friend the member for Bucks and his lion friend the member for Horsham with miequoting the correspondence. Well, he challenged that statement, and asserted that it watt utterly unsupportable. if any passage had been misquoted why had not the hon member corrected it at' the m. ment ? But no, with that subtlety and cunning for which he was distinguished. (Shouts cf "Oh, oh," from the Ministerial benches drowned the rest of the sentence.) The extracts read were perfectly correct and complete in themselves, and were such as to convey the whole tt nor of the despatches. And, well regard to their tenor and bearing, the hon gen tleman had taken very good care not to ailuia to what had fallen frt.m gentlemen sitting on his own side of the house . The hon member for Rochdale said of our diplomacy —" It was anarchy--it made us the disgrace of Europe." And so also the right hon member for Stroud (Mr Horsman). No thing could t xceed the strength of his language with respect to this diplomatic correspondence. But :het right hon gen tleman had taken a most extraordinary course upon the question. The right hen gentleman said the Opposition was responsible for what bad taken place, and that they had allowed the time to pass by when they ought to have inter fered. And then the right hon gentleman, wiih a humility which was almost touching, declared that even he—the sense-carrier of both sides of the houss—(laughter)—had been neglecting his dut3—(renewed laughter) —:hat even he, in common with an apathetic Parliament, had been neglecting his duty. (Much laughter.) Why, there never was a man in that house fitter to have brought forward the question of Denmark. The right hon gentleman could not have compromised any one but himself; for one so isolated, one so independent, had never oseupied a seat in Parliament, (Hear, heat.) Any one who remembered the bitter language which had fallen from the right hon. i gea tleman with respect to the occupants of the Treasury bench knew that he was not sty in attacking a INlinisay. (Re newed cries of Hear, hear.) And now, to turn to the hon. member the Under-Secretary for Foreign Affairs. I beg to tell the hon. gentleman that the papers relating to this question were not delivered to members at the commence ment of March. [Mr. LAYARD dissented.] Why, upon the 18th of March the noble lord at the head of the Foreign. office himself gave the reason why they had not been produced. (Opposition cheers.) The hon. gentleman the Under Secretary has had his attention called to the mat ter. I gave him the opportunity of correcting himself, but he would not be corrected. (Opposition cheers.) Upon the 18th of March, Lord Ellenborough wished to bring forward his motion, and what did Lord Russell sly ? "I do trust the noble lord, upon grounds of public policy, will adjourn the discussion until all the papers are before your lordships." (Lone cheers from the Oppc &lion ) Mr LAYARD (interrupting)—l did not say the papers were in the hands of members on the let of March. Mr HARDY—The hon. gentleman (Mr Layard) has used lannuage with respect to gentlemen on this side of the house which does no credit ei her to him or the Government n w o h w i h w h h e e n th e represents. hon. g e n ( C t i h e m e e a r from t n s i r s o co n the e O t d p ps ofo i on. ) miB - s t A a t n e d . ment which he made in the hearing of the house—when he used those words—l am surprised that hon.- gentlemen who sit by should have allowed him to make his calumnious statements. (titles of " Order, order.") Mr LAYARD—I rise to order. I move that the words just used by the hon. gentleman be taken down. (Hear, hear, Order, order, and cheers.) I alluded to the words " calumnious statements." (Hear, hear, and cheers.) Mr HARDY (to the Speaker)----If T. am out of order, I shall hear from you, sir. (Cheers by the Conservatives.) The SPEAKER— here does not appear to use to be anything out of order. Lord PALMERSTON then rose, and was received with cheers by the Ministerial party, and loud and vociferous cries of " Order" from the opposite side of the House, He said—l rise to order. I apprehend that it is a fundamental rule governing the debates of this house :hat motives are not to be imputed to hon. gentlemen. (Interruption ) I appeal to you, sir. (Oh, oh, aad much Opposition by the Conservatives.) When a member attributes to another that that he mikes caluminous statements An. 110 N. MEMBER—TiIe :'pecker has decided that he has made a statement not out of order. Lord PALMERS fON essayed to make further remarks, and' continued or several moments gesticulating to the house. The deafening cries of " Order" from the Conser vatives, however, quite drowned the voice of the noble vis count. At length, on sitting down, he said that " calumny does impute motives, viz., that he distorted the truth." Mr. DISRAELI, whose rising was the signal for com plete silence in the house, and who was at first quietly heard, said—l rise to order also ---to speak on the point of order. I understood, having listened to this debate, that the hen. gentleman the Under Secretary of State charged gentlemen on this side of the house with falsification. (Hear, hear, and loud cheers by the Conservatives.) Gen tlemen on this side of the house, conscious that they did not merit that charge, and not wishing to disturb the order of debate, *hen the time arri ve d, t o rep l y , i n termsb wereefitti co nga n n te a n c t Lsation of that kind, and in a sense which every gentleman in Europe would think fit—(inter- MB SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, JULY 8, 1864. notion). I maintain, with deference to the opinion, of course, which you (the Speaker) have expressed, in the difficult position in which the house is placed, my hon. friend near me was perfeotly justified in using the term, after so ungentlemanly an attack as that made upon him by the hon. gentleman the Under-Secretary of State. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, who was vehemently aesailed with cries of "Order" from the Op position side, said—Sir, when the hon. gentleman (Mr. Disraeli) rose there was immediate silence on this side of the house. I trust we shall be permitted to say what I have to say on this side in order. The hon. gentleman, as I understood him, founded his justification in point of order on what has just taken place upon an allegation made by him that my hon. friend the Mader -Secretary ot State for the Foreign Department charged hon. gentlemen opposite with falsification. (Cheers.) In the first. place, lam not aware that he did so—(oh, oh)—that the allegation was correct in point of fact; but permit me to say that, if these disorderly words were used, which I do not altnit, for I am not conscious of it—if, and this is matter material to the issue—if disorderly words were used by my honourable friend, it was the duty of gentlemen who thought them disorderly to do that which was done by my honourable friend the Under-Secretary of State, and cell the attention of the house and chair to the subject the moment the words were used. (Hear, hear.) I apprehend lam safe in laying down that a breach of order —much less a mere allegation ot a breach of order —committed by one speaker, will not justify another in the same breach of order. (Great iuterrup' ion.) I hope it will be clearly un derstood whether an imputation of calumnious statements is or is not henceforward within the liberty of parliamen tary debate. (Oh, oh.) Sir J. PAKIN G I . ON—I think it right, after what has fallen from the right hon, gentleman, to state that I myself heard—and I may say heard with deep indignation—the word "falsification" from the hon. gentleman on the oppo site side. (Cheers.) I myself said across the house at the moment the word was too bad, and I say, if th e hon. gen tleman is to be allowed to use langu age accusing hon. ger.- tlemen on this side with falsification,we have a right to call that word calumnious. (Conservative cheers.) I say, after all that has passed, I think the Speaker has ruled most properly. Mr B. OSBORNE was heard in preference to Mr Hardy, who was then rising; and said—l rise to speak to order, and to make a respectful and moderate appeal to the house, and I do so in support of your jest authority, sir. (conservative cheers.) You, sir, have been appealed to by an hon. gentleman in this house, and having laid down the law, which I think you did in your usual candid and straightforward manner—[Here the hon. gentleman was interrupted by the rising of Sir Minto Farquhar, who, in the general turmoil, had not obse• ved that he had not yet concluded]—l must put it to the house whether we are not imperil ing our just influence in the affairs of Europe awl this country it, when you hive given your decision, that the speaker, whoever he may be on either side, is in order, the noble lord or any other member of this house is to get up and dispute your decision—(Opposition cheers)—and endeavour to overrule it. Such is not my idea of the way to pre -erve order, and 1 am surprised that the leader of this house should endeavour to bring your authority into disrepute. (Opposition cheers.) The SPEAKER, who was received with solemn allence, said—l am sure the hon. member for Leominster (MrHardy) is the last member in the Meuse to impute motives to any man. Certainly the debate has been very warm and excit ing, and I should regret to hear, because it would be put. deg the whole House into a false position, that heated language on one side should be a jure ificadon for language passing the line of order on the other side. (Hear, hear.) Certainly, anything imputing motives to an hon. memeer is contrary to the elites oi this House (Hear, hear.) What has pusses in the explanation of this matter, has in some degree in my view altered the case. I mean that it appears to me that language which rather passes the ordinary rules of debate, has been used in conse quence of similar language having been used previously. The debate has been a heated one, and as it was going on I confess there did not appear to me to be any neces sity for interruption or intervention on my part, The hon. member for Leominster did not, I ain sure, intend to impute motives which would be of an unparliamentary character in this case. Under the circumstances of the case it did not appear to me necessary that I should inter fere; but after what has occurred I do hope that the house will return to a calmer spirit, and I trust that, though the moment is an exci ing one, language on no side will be used which passes the just privileges of debate. Mr LAYARD, rising amid loud cries ot " Order " end " Chair," said—l wish to express my regret to the hon. gentleman if he understood me. I aid not use the word " falsification" as my own word, but I quoted it, as the word of another. (Cries of " Name.") An Hon. MEMBER—The Chancellor of the Exchequer. Mr LA.YARD—If the hon. gentleman understood that as an imputation on my part that ho was guilty of falsifica• tion, I b,g to offer him my apology. Mr 110 tiSM..n.N, after several vain attempts to gain a hearing, said—l wish to speak on another point. (Oh, oh.) The hon member for Leominster just now, holding in his hand the terms of the motion of which I gave notice to this house in March. (Loud cries of " Order," and " Chair.") Let him give the terms, Mr. HARDY—Mr, Speaker, I trust that neither now nor upon any other occasion shall I be wanting in respect for the chair, or for the character and dignity of this house, but I cannot help saying that, on the firer night of this de bate, the hon. gentleman accused the right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer—(Loud cries Ly the Op position, amidst which) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rcse and adv:Ancel to the table. Th 9 cries were then intensified into mast'foci , erouidemanda tor order, and the right hon. gen tleman, finding it impossible to proceed, stood a few mo ments in silence, and then resumed his sot. The SPEAK ER—The right hon. gehtle; an is not going to refer to whist. passed— Mr. HARDY—It was in this &bite. Tue SPE AK E It—l cannot allow words which were tittered on a previous night— . ... Mr. HARDY—Without imputing motives either to the right hoe. gentleman opposite, what I intent to say, and what I do s.ty still, is, it these expressions are nut retracted by those who hey that th y had been falsified on this siae of the house— that is a calumny, by whomsoever delivered. y may be spread with outmotives; Ido t n te ot p i e t r n s p o u n te 8 rfl p : e t: d y i e n s g. itA c b a e l i a ng um illaenced I y _ but the statement involved the honour of gentlemen on this side of the house. At the same time, the hon. gentleman has not apologised to me, for I require no ap o l og y. I can only say I did not impute to the hen gentlemen opposite (Mr. Layard), or to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, any thing wilful ; but in the heat of debate, they u' ed words which were calculated to wound the honour and feelings of hon. gentlemen on this side of the house. (Hear, hear.) (Ile hen. gentleman then rtsutned the point in tae debate at which he was interrupted.) The hon, gentleman oppo site (Mr. Horsmen) had accused him of not quoting the tno objecti on to r e ad the " That, in the opinion of this house, h er M a j esty oug ht n ot whole o thins.— his ;.— address. Eur. Ho H it e sm h A a N d ....ihe last paragraph 3.. to be advised to give her assent to any new engagements affecting the integrity and independen ce of Denmar k until those engagements have been wade k nown to Parl i ame nt.' (Hoer.) He was at that point wh en t h e hon. gent l e man (Mr. Layard) stated the house were in p ossess ion of the , papers relating to this matter on th e I st of Marc h. The right bein g taken at any perio d . O n than(Mr. Hoffman) said that there was no t ob e e c ct o t h n ioo t n r e. contrary, genii y,thin diecuscion t- Lurd Russell and the noble lord opposite had said it would be injudicicus, and might inteifere with the negotiations, to bring thi s question forward at. an earlier peri d, or while the Conference wag s itting. This being so, the time they had taken was the earliest time the) had the opportunity of doing so. T he y did not in terfere during the progress of these ne go ti a tions. The do sire of every man was that the p eace of Europ e should be restored it possible; and if this C onference bad b e en brought to an atnicable conclusion, no o ne would have b een more de lighted than he at such a co nc l usion. They were. told, It is Lot only the past, you mu s t tell us something about the bluer. Now, as to the f uture, the hon. gent l eman (M r . Layard) had told them that be had sev en folio volumes re lating to certain proceedings, which none of th em had seen. Were they despatche s or were they documents i n extenso of which they had heard f rom the hon. member an d th e no bl e lord ? It was plain it was only the case of the G over n m ent that had been laid b e f ore t h e house, and it was on th e case of the Government th at t h ey asked the verdict o f t h a t house The he and the country. --- n* REntlea:an was in p ossession of information which none of them had. And it was ins • possible to constitute a Del --e fro r policy f or the future when they had not the means of infor ma ti on. Ron. get:i deate° said " Bring forward your vote of want a confid en ce." Well, they had accused the Governm ent o f mismanaging these affairs and damaging the inter es t s o f peace, and would any one say that was not a vote of w an t o f confidence ? If i t we re not, he would like to know what Was. The Governmen t had threatened and menaced, an d had not fulfilled their threats. They had advised, and their advice had nut been taken. The condition of things had b een c h an ged, and they had deserted those to whom th ey had given a d v i c e. The hon. members for Bradford an d Rochdale ha d co ndemned i n strong terms the cond uct o f the Governmen t, an d so h a d that watclias al Teae'em, he called himse lf, who w as always looki e g after Briti s h honour and i ntere st. H e flow upon Lord Russell, tore from him every rag, and had left eughter. This speech was follow ed by a and exposed him i n hi s nakedness to that h ouse and to the country. (L remarkable state ment; that the ban gentleman was going to foll ow gentlemen to the G overnment lobby. Ha could h ardly wonder at that. Four teen years ago th e no bl e Watch. Jog as he called ) him self—had saved his master, and he was about to follow him into the lobby in the cam's way again. (Laughter.) If it were admitted , hat England oc'upied an embarrassing posi tion, who had brought her into that position? and how did the present Government find h er when they became p is ceased of the seals of office P According to the statements of the Government themselves, they had been up to the middle of last year in accordance with France and Russia. The fact was that they had arrived at this position by constant. meddling. With regard to the Conference, he could not help thinking •hat all mankind, like M. Drouyn de Lhuys, foresaw how it would end. The Government began , by discarding the treaty which had all along been the basis _ I of its policy, and when Denmark and England bad proposed a certain line as an ultimatum, and that proposal was re jiccted, her Majesty's Government proposed an arbitration, which it ought to have known Denmark could not accept. Now, how was the Government going to meet this question ? The amendment which was to be submitted to the house evaded the pith and souse of the original motion, to which indeed it might be added as a rider. (Opposition cheers.) It was certainly true that the peace of England is at this moment inviolate, but then it should be borne iu mind that that was not the object of the negotiations. After all their threats and failures, the Government were trying to back out on the plea that England is at peace. He believed that this country had been lowered in the opir,ir n of Europe by the course pursued by the Government. He deeply re gretted that she had been brought to such a condition; but the gentlemen on his side of the house maintained that the present Government were responsible for it. They (the Opposition) had menaced throughout the whole of the session ; they had now struck the blow ; and they were now ready to take the responsibility which might follow, (Loud cheers from the Opposition.) Mr lIORSNL , N rose to explain that he had never said, as the hon. gentleman. seemed to suppose, that the Germans were a set of bullies. Sir F. GO LDSMID owned that he found a great difll• culty in deciding what to do. He could not say " No" to the resolution of Mr Disraeli, yet he could not give a vote which would assist to place the Opposition in office. Under these circumstances, although he entirely differed with Mr Kinglake in his amendment, he would accept it as the only mode of escaping from the horns of a dilemma. Mr G. %V. BENTINCK thought it was the duty of the House of Commons to look to the honour of the country and not to be influenced by sentiment either in favour of Denmark or against Germany. The resolution of Mr I ;is retell was only a truism, and under present circumstances had become a platitude. It was impossible to deny that the policy of the Government had lowered the reputation of the oountry in the estimation of European nations. Nothing, in fact, could have been more unfortunate; but although he was prepared to censure it he would not support the re solution if he believed that any compact existed between the Opposition and the Ultramontane party below the gangway. Mr COGAN denied that the question of peace or war was at issue. The real question which the house has to decide was in what wanner it could best vindicate the honour of the country. Our foreign diplomacy had, is his opinion, reduced us to such a state that we were neither loved nor feared. To have made Earl Russell the head of the Foreign Office was a great mistake—a cruel joke on the part of the Premier, and had been most disastrous to the country. The policy of the eovernment towards Leland was almost as unfortunate as that pursued in reference to Denmark. They had outraged and insulted the people of Ireland by sending Sir R. Peel to direot their affairs. As an Administration their diplomacy abroad had failed as lamentably as their policy at home, and in voting censure upon them he would do so, not in order to place a Conservative Administration in power, but to purify the Liberal party. Mr PEACOCKE also spoke in favour of the reso lution. The ATTORNEY -GENERAL observed that the argu ments of the hon. gentlemen who supported the resolution meant that England must no longer negotiate unless she had her hand on her sword, and unless she was prepared to go to war if her counsels were discarded, If a majority of the house were to sanction such a policy, it would go forth to the world that England would on till occasions act upon the principle of following up the language of remonstrance with armed interference. He maintained that the words of the Government which bad been characterised as menacing were not menaces, but the mere denunciations of the honest truth-02e coming warning of mischief and danger. Earl E assell, in his conduct of the foreign affairs or the country, had pursued an honest, straightforward course, and any failures that had occurred were o be attributed to the infir mity of humanity, and not to any miscarriage of the policy which the Government had laid down for their guidance. He contended that England Lad been as cautious and re served in not encouraging Denmark or holding out expec tations of help as aliy of the other Powers which had entered the Conference. The resolutions submitted by Mr Disraeli were, in his opinion, a lame and impotent conclu sion to the premises and arguments by which they were supported. If there had been a breach of faith on the part of the Government, it was not by getting rid of the Minis try that we were to be relieved from our engagements. The fact was that there were no such engagements as ham been alleged, and the real object of the vote of censure was to displace a Guy, rnoient to answer the purposes of a party irrespective of the effect upon foreign countries, Such a course was not worthy of the reputation of a great party, and he thought it would be tar more honourable and satis factory it they did their best to maintain the - faith of treaties than to succeed to power by availing themselves of the " chapter of accidents." He could not understand how hon. gentlemen opposite, with all the letters material to the question before them since the 3d of March, should be cuutunt to watch and wait for toe course of events, and then ccm down to the house with a motion, not complain ing of the non-fulfilment of pledges on the part of England, not condemning the Government for not going to war, but blaming thorn for having citmpromised the chances of peace. (Cheers.; He admitted it was proper end patriotic for an Opposition, when the Government were honestly and ear nestly conducting negotiations, to wait until such ne getiatious were either successfully concluded or failed; but it was not consistent with patriotism to stand by it' they saw the honour 01 the country was compromised. It the Opposition thought, after France and Russia had declined to co-operate, that England should go to war, that was the time tor them to declare that the country should not be involved in war, The course pursued by the Opposition Was one which he believed the house would not endorse or approve, but he was sure it would be more satisfactory to the Government to fail on the present occasion than to suc ceed to power by availing themselves of the chapter of acci dents. (Cheers) There was no advice given by her Majesty's Government that had not been given by France and Russia. These Powers had equally declared that, under certain circumstances, they might be induced to take part with Denim:at, but for reasons of their own they had not adhered to that promise. filer Majesty's Government were willing to adhere to it if the other Powers did, and if they had the assistance of France and Russia they would have given material aid in stopping the war. But, al though France and Russia had acted in a preciseiy similar manner, the conduct of these powers was represented as honourable, while her Majesty's Government was consi dered worthy of censure. (Rear, hear ) He 13 , :lieved the honour of this country had not suffered from the manner in which these negotiations had been conducted. Ile be lieved the only way to maintain the influence of the coun try was to do right, and advise others to do right, and not to en'er upon useless and unnecessary wars. (Cheers.) Whatever might be the opinion of that house at the present moment, he was sure that the verdict of posterity would not endorse those imputations upon the Government which tir.d formed , the main stsple of th e arguments in the present debate. (Cheers,) Lord J. MANNERS expressed his surprise at the sub lime audachy- of assertion into which the learned Attorney- G encral heti allowed himself to be betrayed. The Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Under-Secretary for Foreign Affairs had been bold enough in their statements, but the z ti of the hon. and learned gentleman had carried him further, and enabled him to improve upon those statements. 'Flee Attorney-General had totally misunderstood the tan gaege of the address. Alt that they said was that it was not right for England to encourage resistance on the part of Denmark, either directly or indirectly, unless they had pro posed to carry out their threats and fulfil their promises. Five years ago the noble lord had come into office, in order, in the first place, to carry a democratic Reform Bill, and in the next to raise the name of England to a height which it had not attained under the wise and temperate management of Lord Derby. (Laughter on the Ministerial bencties ) Well, how bad the noble lord redeemed that boasted pledge? HUM had he maintained the honour and character of Eng land in those transactions ? Why, from every foreign news p aper, from every foreign capital in which an unfortunate Euglishnsen miEht happen to reside, from every foreign Court to which the Government had addressed its Eder le complaints, there tame one and the same answer, More than that, the very speech of the Royal Commissioners at the commencement of the session admitted that, whereas in 1859, when Lord Derby's Government succeeded to the management of affairs, England was loyal to all the other Powers of Europe, in 1864 she stood in a position of im potent isolation. (Cheers.) Why was it that great States like Prussia, and small States like Saxony, equally repu • diamd our interference ? The cause was not deep. It had been reserved for Lord Russell to combine a parody of the language of Lord Chatham with an exagge ration of the policy of Sir Robert Walpole. But it was said they were not concerned with Lord Russell alone, but with the whole of the Government. He admitted that, and far be it from him to fellow the example of the noble earl him self in 1855. when he made one of his colleagues responsible for the guilt of the whole Administration. lie, therefore, would not charge Lord Russell alone with the failure of these negotiations. He must say that, having been in the house on that memorable July morning of last year, when the noble lord at the head of the Government delivered nimself of that famous statement to which such frequent reference had been made, he could not but accuse the noble lord of a singular blindness in regard to the threatening aspect of this quarrel. In spite of the warnings which he received, the noble lord rose in his place in the end of July, and said that he saw no danger to Europe under those cir cumstances. They were now told that the dignity of that house, would Suffer if it gave expression to the universal voice of the country If the House of Commons failed to give expression to that voice, they failed in the discharge of one of their most solemn and most important duties. The time, he thought, had come when this house must express its opinion on the conduct of the Government. (Hear, hear.) If, having expressed the threats they had expressed, they had pursued a bold and vigorous policy in the outset, they might have stifl this iniquitous war in its bud ; but, instead of that, it appeared to him the Government had neither known how to uNintain the peace Li Europe, nor now to uphold the dignity of Englar 1, (Heat, hear.) It appeared to him that the one had been and was still imperilled, and the other was tarnished, in the keeping of her Ma►jesty's Ministers. He had perused these dem- moats with pain and regret, and it waa with pain and with regret that he felt himself bound to support the address prepared by his right hon. friend. He believed that address expressed accurately the opinion of England; and of this ho was quite certain, that the pitiful and helpless pages through which he had waded did not reflect the spirit and aspirations of the English people. They should remove those from authority who tad made conditions which they had not fulfilled. Th, y should be removed, in order to prevent humiliation, and England would rise to her pristine name and fame and power, become once more the moral bulwark of the oppressed against the oppressor, and resume her wonted influence in the councils cf Europe. (Conser vative cheers ) Mr OSBORNE moved the adjournment of the debate. Mr ONSLO W, in seconding the motion, said he thought the Government had steered the barque of the State with consummate skill. (Oh, oh, and laughter, by the Conser vatives,) gentlemen migut hugs, but there was a strong party in the House and a still stronger party in the country who were of that opinion, and had confidence in the Government. It was his firm conviction that so long as they were blessed with a Liberal Government --(hear, hear, and laughter)—and so long as affairs were administered by the Government now in office, England was secure. (Cheers and laughter.) It was all bosh to say the prestige of Eng land was lessened on the Continent. (Laughter.) If England was hated on the Continent, his long experience told him it was because we were rich and powerful, and because we were happy. (Cheers and counter-cheers.) The Government, instead of a vote of censure, were worthy of thanks for having slipped the neck of England out of that noose which was prepared for her. (Hear, bear.) As this was a struggle for party and power, he should support the Governm , nt, with the full anticipation that his vote would meet with the approbation of his constituents. Mr HENN ESSY said that, betore the debate was ad journed, he wished to call the attention of the tiouse to a circumstance which might have the effect of inducing two members of the Government for the future to pay that deference which was due to the chair. He found that the noble lord at the head of the Government, on the 27th April, 1855, addressing that House, used these words with reference to a statement made by the Under- Secretary of State for the Home Department : " Every reasonable man must have been convinced that the charges made by the honourable member (Mr Layard) were false and c iluminous." (Opposition cheers.) The noble lord had risen that night not only to call to order an hon. member who had used precisely identical words, but had actually concluded by calling into question the decision of the speaker. Lord PALMERSTON apprehended that on the occa sion to which the hon. member referred, he had applied those terms not to the hon. member for Southwark, but to charges made by some other person. (Oh, and hear.) In any case he entirely submitted to any decision which Mr. Speaker might make on that or any other point. He rose chiefly to ask the hon member for Buckitighanishire whether it was h s wish, and the wish of those acting with him, that the debate should terminate to• morrow night. It so, he would appeal to hon. members who had motions on the paper, on the motion for gong into committee of supply to allow that motion to be made only as a matter of tot m, so that the debate might be proceeded with as soon as the forms of the Runge permitted. (Rear, hear.) _ _ Mr DISRAELI said—So far as he could collect the wishes of the House, it was that the debate should be con cluder! to-morrow (Friday) night. The anjournment of the debut: was then agreed to. The Cranbourn-streot Bill passed through committee. The Indemnity Bill was read a third time and passed. COURTS OF JUSTICE SITE BILL. This bill was read a second time The Indi, Sleeks Transfer Act Amendment Bill wi read a t .ird time and pas-ed. PILOTAGE ORDER CONFIRMATION (No 2) BILL The order for the commictal of this hilt was discharged. The Turnpike Acts Continuance Bill was read a second time. PUBLIC St HOOLS BILL. This bill passed through committee. The Ecclesiastical Courts and Registries (Ireland) Bill passed through committee. The Judgments, &3., Law Amendment Bill was read a third time and passed. STREET MUSIC (METROPOLIS) BILL. On the motion for the third reading of this bill Sir W. JOLLIFFE moved that it be read a third time that day three months. The motion was ri jetted by 49 to 18, The bill was read a third time and ptsted. The other business w.is disposed of and the house ad journed a few minutes before two o'clock, Scene in the House of Commons last Nigh There were fewer cards left by members with the chaplain at a quarter to four last afternoon than on the previous evenings of the debate; but there Was no lack of those distinguishing marks of a tall at tendance. Wnen Mr. Liyard rose the house was almost thin, the Opposition being in the majority ; but by half-rast fire the house tied resumed th,.. appearance which has become normal in the pre sent Parliamentary conjuncture. The reason tor this was obvious, for it was soon discovered that Mr. Layard was making a capital speech. His prepa rations showed very formidably. There was a de spatch box, full of neatly-arranged papers; on one side of his chosen position at the table there was another packet of tethered documents conspicuously pined before him on the box, which is ho useful in giving effdct to emphatic periods by the hollow sound which it returns to the energetic slaps that are bestowed upon it; while a jortan of water for purposes of deglutition was exhibited with ominous ostentation, and flailkigd a pile of volumes of what were blue-books before they were endued witji the uniform binding of the library of the house. At once Mr. Liyard gave notice that he was going to tn4ke a long speech, and immediately he want in for uttermost and loyal defence of Lord Russell, by be e ming intensely aggressive in a series of paren theses, interspersed between statements of facts, col lation of documents, and explaining away of the well-culled quotations which had been used by gentlemen opposed. Notably, he dissipated what was suppo_ed to be a great point made by some body—Mr. Horeman, we believe—on the date and the locality of what is called the "Gotha de- gptch," which he showed was not written in a Cabinet in Germany under the supervision of the King of Prussia, but in Downing-street, before Lord Russell went on his continental tour in attendance on the Queen. This speech was the more welcome even to the opponents of the Government, because it was the first formal defence of their policy which had been attempted since Mr. Gladstone bad spoken. Speaking directly from the Foreign Office, Mr. Layard may have been expected to be earnest, even energetic ; but be un questionably outdid all expectations. He stirred and excited the House; the cheers broke out at almost every other sentence; every point was taken up warmly by the members behind nitn ; while the pleasant bitter of ironical cheers was administered to him with a palpable tonic effect. Ttle least tacti cal part of his speech, its condemnation, distributing defiance and retort with a slight indiscretion, had the effect of putting the House into a turmoil and a state of antagonism which tended to give a pro minency to Mr. Gathorne Hardy, who followed, which that gentleman would hardly have achieved for himself, however well he had got up his lesson. Cut toasty enough, Lord Jobn Manners rose at the same time with Mr. Hardy, indicating an absence of arrangement in the debate; for, both bang oc cupants of the front Opposition bench, they might be supposed to have been in communication on the matter of macmlvring. Mr. Hardy is what may be called a tempestuous speaker. and seems to be in a state of chronic excitement, and, flushed beyond himself by the spirit of the scene, he used words towards Mr. Liyard which caused that gentleman to jump up and demand that they should "be taken down." The Speaker, actuated by the reluctance to put in force the penal rules of the House, owin g to an ignorance he shares with all his predecessors as to what is to be done in order to carry them out in action, intimated that, looking to the habits of the present Parliament, he saw nothing particular in the language in question. This brought up Lora Palmerston in a well-assumed rage, who impeached the decision of the chair; to whom came, in a still better feigned passion, Mr. Disraeli, who brought up Mr. Gladstone in a real one ; a nd in t h e melee, which grew hot aed furious, Mr. Osborne intervened in the new character of the " air pietate gravis," whose calm and reverend presence has been described as effectual in tatenag down the passionate impulses of a crowd, and demanded deference to the decision of the chair. On this the Speaker, who had been rather snubbed, insinuete d !hat both par. ties were in the wrong, and that the best thing they could do was to let the matter drop, with a promise not to "do so any more," which -half-ear. cestic advice was duly followed. Soon after the House was left in the hands of Sir Francis Gold mid, until Mr. G. Bentinek rose to gratify a natural curiosity as to how be would vote, and who, while stating that he should go against Ministers, de clared that he could not go into the same lobby with certain Irish Roman Catholic members, if he . was assured th a t th ey h a d agree d to withdraw their ordinary support from the Government, under what he insinuated WEI.S a questionable compact. This was reasonably expected immediately to pro duce a row; but although Mr. Cogan, evidently in the character of a representative man amongst Irish Liberal members, declared that he was about to desert Ministers, the discussion lapsed quietly down to Mr. Peacocke, who, as usual, tried to bs very particular, but was not. It seemed somewhat of a wasting of the first-class material of the Government debating power to put up the Attorney -General at a point of the discussion when nothing had occurred to stir the hon. and learned gentleman up to con cert-pitch ; and thouga he delivered a most masterly speech, the circumstances of the hour were unfavour able to his developing all his qualities, and pouring out that eloquence which he is well known to pos sess. II:s argumentation was nearly faultless, and his interjectional observations were pointed and spirited; but those woo expected a burst of decla mation at the close of his address must have been a little disappointed. Lord John Manners had the dissatisfaction of shouting his carefully balanced sentences, in his most strident tones, to the very smallest audience which had listened to any speaker who claims pretensions to at least a second rank. At last Mr. Osborne obtained the privilege which belongs to the gentleman who moves the adjournment of the debate ; and of course this pos session will act as an invitation of the most general character to the House. Toe discussion was not allowed to close without a characteristic attempt on tae part of Mr. Heunessy to get up a scene with Lord Palmerston, which, however, the noble lord literally dashed aside. It is to be noted that it is arranged that the debate is to close this night. Mr. Gladstone and Reform, Mr Thomas Pinder, having conveyed to Mr Glad. stone a resolution expressing approval of Mr Glad• stove's public career and his opinions an reform, which was adopted recendy at a meeting of the working men of Newark, has received from the Chancellor of the Exchi quer the following reply : "Carlton House-terrace, S.W., July I. "Sir—l have received with particular interest and gratification the resolutions which you have been good enough to forward to me from a meeting of the working men of Newark. lam not friendly to changes either sudden or violent, but I cannot wonder that they should regret the almost entire withdrawal (as I presume it to be), in places like Newark, from their class, of the privilege of the suffrage ; and I hope to see the public opinion of this country move gradually and steadily in the direction of such measures as, write neither derange ing or disturbing society, would sensibly widen the basis of our institutions, and contribute in propor• tion to their solidity and strength. Long years have now severed me from Newark, and those whom I remember there, or could remember nie, are principally numbered with their fathers. But no lapse of time can efface from my mind the me mory of the place which gave me, when young, the opportunity of learning within the wal:s of Pariia. merit the working of the constitution, and the true character o►f my country. W►th many thanks for your obliging note, I remain, Sir, your very faith. ful servant, "W. E. GLADSTONE. "Mr. Thomas Pinder." COUNTRY MARKETS. MANCHESTER.—THURSDAY. A full attendance at our market to-day, but the business passing was Mimed, and tor both English and foreign wheat the full prices of last week were demanded. Flour met a slow demand at former rates. Oats Id per 451 b up, and oatmeal steady. English beans advanced is p er qr . and Egyptian I s t o 2 s p er qr . Indian corn was likewise Is 6d to 2s dearer. BURTON• ON-TRENT-1 HURSDAY. The usual show of grain at our market, and we quote an advance of 64 to is on wheat Barley rather dull, and at previous prices. Oats were very scarce, but met with a tair demand. Beans were firm, at extreme prices. Peas unaltered in price. Old white wheat..42s to 46s New do. 44s to 4SB Malting barley....32s to 35s Grinding d0.....268 to 30s O'd red wheat„..37s to 40s New do. ..43e to 4,5 s Oats 2la to '49s Beans 3.5s to 43s BIRMINGHAM-THURSDAY. There was a moderate supply of English wheat at mar. ket to-day, and last week's extreme prices were realised. —English wheat was sold at 42s to 44s for white, and 368 to 42s per 36 stone for red, Barley, new malting, 30s to 38s per qr; grinding,24s to 26s Oats, o ld, 22 s to 30 8 per :30 stone ;Irish, 18s to 249. Beans, 36s to 40s per qr. Peas, 348 to 388 per 36 stone. BRISTOL -THURSDAY. A small supply of English wheat at our market, which sold pretty freely at fully late prices Foreign unaltered in price, but the sale was inactive. BArley 3d to 6d advance upon late quotations, but the demand was by no means I,rge. Oats were more freely offered, and he prices paid were scarcely so good as on this day ae'nnight. Beans were unaltered. Peas in slow request. EDINBURGH GRAIN—JULY 6. To. day there was a good supply of gain, which sold at fully last week's prices. Wheat on the top is od down.. average Os Id up. Barley on the top is Od up average Os 7d down. Oats on the top Os fid up..... ..... average Os 3d down. Beans on the top Is Od up ..average Os 9d up. Average Prices. Wheat 4ls 8d I Oats. ( q Barley 2Bs Od 8ean5............ 35s ild 1‘ t . a 2 l o3 S 6 ; ol lp qq p rr l ss y and.. .......... ............ Wheat ... 17 . 674 ) qrs qrs 8ar1ey........ 18 qr 5........ Sold 137 rs Oats Beans 7l qr 5........ Sold 62 qrs ....... Foreign Mail Packet List% MAILs lit—B. kustralia and Mauritius, via Southampton..... , . July 19 a Mes Jrarzil and Cane Verde by vi Brit ars9ill ish packet. .. '` „July .... . Aug. 4. .:ape of Good ' Hope, Ascension, and Si. Hel ena. July 29. , 'Bins, Penang, and Singapore, via Southampton. July 19. Falkland I s l ands via Marseilles ...July 14. •• ......... •••• Cjibraltar, via Southampton ..... . ............ Jul 12 India (Calcut ta ) , end Ceylon, vb. Southampton. • J uty y 29 lndia Bombs via Ma:s e ill es.... Jul 14 (y), via Southampton ...... July 11 via Marseilles Jaly 18:,. Portugal.... ............................ Aug. 4. ‘lalta, Egypt, and Aden, via Southampton . July 11. via Mar se ill es J uly Newfoundland ............................. ...July 20 )porto and Vigo ............... U. S. and British N. America, by Brit. packet July 14. by U.S. packet b Canadian pack All parts of W es t Indies, includ y ing Chili, Peru,et.July 8 i . Californi a , and Brit i ju y lli‘h C o l um b ia. ..... I , [A _ITERTISEMENTd—HoIIoway's Pills.—Disorders the kidneys, known by the deeply -seated pain in the back ? and scanty secretion of water. can be arrested in their die tres,,ing and rapid course by these regulating Pills. Their highly tonic and strengthening properties prevent the icc poverishm> nt of the blood and the derangement of circula tion, characteristic of kidney disease, and often outing in partial or general dropsy. Experience has proved the. almost unvaried success obtained when Holloway's Pills , are taken in the earlier stages, and the ease they afford when the complaint is more advanced. They relax the hot; and parched skin, (welcome the attendant costiveness, and. induce a copions secretion by the kidneys, which are thv, harbingers of disease departing and health returning. Births. KENYON..—On the sth inst., at 49, Wilton crescent, the lion." Mrs. Kenyon, of a son. PORTSMOUTH." — On the 6111 inst., at hiurattourne•park, Huts, the Ctitth toss of Portsmouth, of a 801[1. WELDON—On the 7th inst., at the residence of her mot tier, 1, Oxford-square, Hyde. park, the 'Ate of Sir A. C. Welaon, Bart„ of a son. Marriages. FITZ CLARENCE—ScOTT.—On the sth Inst., at St. Paittre, Wilton-p .cc, C.antnander eHon. 0.-eorgeFitzClareuee, R.N., to the Lady Maria IL nriett a Scott, eldest daughter of the Earl and Countess of NEWUERY—BuLL.—On the sth inst., a t S aint John's, late T. Suu,h.iek-cre ,, e , nt, L Ee 6 ondon., Colin, youngest son of the C. Newbery, 1., of Ottery St. Mary Devon shire, to Emily Augusta Nrignier, fitth daughter of J. t', Bull, Esq., of Hyde-p404-street,W. Deaths. BRANTRIVAITM—On the sth inst., at Morecambe, drowned St. wbiEdmund le bathin Hall , Oxf Rev ord, aged 41.. John Bnoitthwaite, Principal of GRATTAN.—On the 4th inst., ati,, Jerrnyn-street, Thos. Colley Unman, Esqlate .1.4.m.Pe Consul for t h e s uite of Massachusetts. U.S,S GILBEnr.—On the 6Ln inst., at Vanbrugh-p.ark, Black heath, George Felix Gilbert, aged 75. PEa.hcn.—On the 7th inst., Francis Pearo4 Esq., of St. John's-Load, Upper Lewisham, aged 77. ROBERTSON.—On the 6th inst., at Richmond-road, Hack. Ley, Rom& Robertson, Esq., agel 49 WILSON.—On the 7th inst., a t chels ea College, Lady Wilson, wife of Sir John M. Wilson, C. 8., Rai London : Pranced and Prtnalied by Wl] ;LIAM i s ,N of No. 112, Strand, Printer, at In 4 SuN offi ce ,No, 112, Strand, •ra tti, Precinct at me Ayoy, the COlialf Of Uthiletsez,—,Filchiy, July 8, 1884.