The Sun. — London, England, 1864-07-08 00:00:00

IMIY]illl.Ala PARLIANENT ROUSE OF LORDS—Last Evening, The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat upon the woolsack at the usual hour. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The Wellington and Drayton Railway, the Dublin., Bathmines, Rathagur, &c., Railways, the Mersey Docl e s and Harhour'Beard, and the London, Chatham, and Dov es Railway (No. 1) Bills were read a third time and passe , 1. BOMBARDMENT OF COPENHAGEN iN 1807'. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition, as was wader stood, from a respectable medical practitioner, Dr. Brune, praying for compensation for different injuries inflicied on his property by the bombardment of Copenhagen in 1807. He quoted precedent for the course he proposed. MANCHESTER. SEIEFFIEL E D, AN OATS D LINCOLN SHIRE RAILWAY (STAMB) BILL. The Thrice of RICHMOND moved that the suspended order ot the 21s , April last be dispensed with in regard to the said bill, and that the bill be allowed to be read a second time. The noble duke cited some precedents in support ot his motion. Lord REDESDALE said that the course proposed to it would render the sessional order a nullity, and there were already twenty-sis bills for the consideration ot the committee, which it w..uld be impossible to get through at that advanced stage of the session ot Par liament. The result of the course proposed would lead to considerable inconvenience, and ought not to be sanctioned by their lordships. After some discussion the motion was agreed to. The Life Annuities and Lite Assurance Bill was read a second time. CIVIL BILL COURTS (IRELAND) BILL. The house went into committee on this bill. The LORD CHANCELLOR explained the leading pro visions of the measure, which he contended was calculated to improve legal procedure in Ireland. The bill then passed through committee. The Factory Acts Extension Bill was read a second time, THE RAILWAYS CONSTRUCTION FACILITIES BILL. Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY moved the second reading of this bill, which had come up from the other house. The Duke of BUCKING-HAM objected that it trans ferred to the Board of Trade powers at present possessed by Parliament. He would move that it be read a third time that day three months. After a short conversation the amendment was with drawn, and the bill was read a second time, it being under stood that it should be referred to a select committee. The RailwaS Comdanies Powers Bill was read a second time. L . ,The Summary Procedure (Scotland) Bill was read a third time, and passed. The Commons' amendments to the Settled Estates Act Amendment Bill were considered, and agreed to. The Salmon Fisheries (Scotland) Acts Amendment Bill passed through committee. The Clerks of the Peace Removal Bill and the Greek Loan Bill were read a third time, and passed. . _ The Pilotage Order Confirmation Bill was read a third time, and passed. The Lunacy (Scotland) Bill and the Burials Registra- Bill were read a second time. Their Lordships then acjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS.--Last Evening. The SPEAKER took the chair at a quarter before tour THE WAR IN NEW ZEALAND. o'cicck. Sir F. : , 31ITH said to , morrow he should ask the Unier Secretary tor War whether ho would have any objection to lay on the table a return of the number of officers and men who had lest their lives in iNt•sv Zealand. VOSTAGE TO A.US i. RALIA. Lord A. CtilLitChILJL asked the Secretary to the Tree- Bury if he would have any objection to lay upon the table of the house a copy o: the Doke of Argyil's letter to the Treasury, dated the 2.,d day of September, 1866, with re ference to the compulsory pre-payment of letters to Aus tralia ? Ivir. F. PEEL said there would be no objection to lay a copy of the document on the table. TURNPIKE GATES. Mr S. WESTERN asked the Stcret,ry of State for the Home Department whether it was his intention to introduce a Pleasure founded upon the reconimendati , ns contained in the report of the select committee appointed to inquiry into toe expediency and practicability of abolishing turnpike gates; and, if not, whether he would consent to leave out of the Continuance Act those trusts that are free from debt ? Mr BARING said that it was not the intention of the Government to bring in any bill during the present session. POLICE PAY. Sir W. MILES asked the secretary to the Treasury whether he had as yet submitted a case to the law officers of the crown as to the legality of the deductions made from the one-fourth paid by the Treasury to wards toe pay and clothing of the county and borough police, as regards the two items, viz., the payments made by the said county and borough police towards the Superannuation Fund, and fines imposed upon the sail county and borough police for misconduct ; and if hat decision the law officers of the Crown had arrived. _ _ so, at Wb Mr F. PEEL said a case wa3 submitted to the law offi-.;ers. THE HORTICULTURAL SO,JIETY. Sir W. GALLWEY asked the First Commissioner of Works whether certain arcades and galleries, until lately in the possession of the liensingtrn Royal Horticultural Society, were about to become property of the State ? Mr W. CO WPER. said a deed of conveyance was being executed, but was not yet finished. The property never belonged to the Royal Horticultural Society. They were the property of the Commissioners of the Exhibition of 1862. NZW ZEALAND. In reply to an lIoN. MEMBER, Mr. CARDWELL said they hod no further intelligence from New Zealand. Ail they had was the telegram. The wail had not yet arrived. THE VOTE OF CENSURE—THE ADJOURNED DEBATE. On the order of the day for the resumption of the ad journed debate being road, Mr LAYAILD said he never rose under a more painful sense of the respoasieility that devolved upon him than he did that evening, because it would bccomo his duty to justify the acts of one of the departments of the Government, with which ho, perhaps unworthily, was connected. He should have, in the course of his remarks to vindicate the character of a statesman who had taken his lace in history, and one the olject of whose deeds has teen to add a lustre to the annals of his country. Against that noble lord in the course of this debate garbled extracts—he would not say falsified ex tracts—had been brought. (Cries of Oh, oh.") He hoped hon. gentlemen would wait until he had failed to prove his assertion, because there would be plenty of time then to cry " oh, oh." The right honourable gentleman the member for Buck inghamshire, in the course of his observations in bring ing forward the motion. had referred to early portions of the negotiations, but in acquitting himself of his task, it would be his duty to fill up the intervals the right hon gentleman bad passed over. The hon. gentleman then proceeded to narrate the whole of the negotiations on the Danish question, beginning as early as those of 1848, which eventually led to the treaty of 1852, which he stated was not one of guarantee, but was one in the interests of peace. Ho could not assent to the principle laid down the other evening by the hon. member for Rochdale, because he felt that his principles, if carried out, would lead to the die niemberment of Switzerland. In considering the ques tion with a view of arriving at a right conclusion, it wou ld be necessary to discover who were the principal actors in transactions in which the Doke of Augustenburg was concerned. Who, he would ask, advised the Duke of Augustenburg to accept the compro mise at t h a t time offered him ? Who, he wo u ld ask, advise'' him to resign his right, and whose nam e ap peared so frequently in the Dano-German papers ? Why, 1 - 1. vo n Bi emar k. (Cheers from the Opposition side.) Wh o , in addition to this, did all he could to forward the same object— w h y de Beust ; and yet these two persons wer e M. new do ing their utmost to set aside the established succession i n Schleswig-Holstein. When Lord Russell came into office he found the Schleswig-Holstein matter already in a very complicated state, and on search ing the records of the Foreign-office seven folio volumes of despatches w ere f ou nd, and the language of Earl Russell, which wag now so much found fault with by the other side of the house, wa s a l m ost identically the same as already existed in these de spatches. I n those despatches (cries of order, order) -- Lord R. CECIL rose to order. He did no think it was competent for the hon. member to read from despatches whioh were not before Parliament. The SPEAKER ruled that the despatches could not be read. Mr LAYARD then continued, and said that although he could not read an extract from those despatches, yet ho felt be could re fer to them, and he therefore sai d that t it se the seven vol urues nearly all the t erms used by Earl Russell we re to be found. The hon. gent eman then went on to defend the course adopted by Earl Russell, and contended that in all the steps he had taken in order to br ng the he iilc powers to amity and peace they had bean taken in concurrence with France, and he utterly denied that the despatch, which had been so much corummted on as having been written at otha by Earl Russell under Ger man influence was consistent with the facts. Such he assured the house was not the case, as the despatches were written in L ndon before he went to Gotha. The proposals in that despatch were accepted by France and p, u.sirt, but refused by D.:ri mark, and had they been ac cepted, they would have tended to a proper settlement of the Schleswig-Holstein difficulty. The hon. gentleman then read quotations from th. , , sp-ech of Lord Palmer ston in order to show that Fraitce and Russia were as mu h re ferred to in the event of aggrei-ion in D irk as ever Fangland was. The honourable gentleman then pro. ceedeid to read extracts from the correspondence, to show than Earl Russell had not used the threats th o tad been attributed to him, and he denied that that noble lord had ever lost one favourable opportunity of offeri mediation, even when the Diet was threatening cation. The noble earl had been accused of sad tell g Denmark in negotiations, but honourable members, if they read the blue-book aright, must come to a different conclusion. Then, again, it had been said that Earl Russell had launched his noble friend Lord Wodehouse to Copenhagen, but at whose suggestion was he sent from England, not certainly at the instance of this coun try, but at the instance of Russia, and he utterly denied that Earl Russell had ever asked the King of Denmark to do an illegal act, such as had been imputed to him by hon. gentlemen opposite. There was a de spatch written by the noble earl of the most important nature, which had been generally misunderstood, it was not a war despatch, but one w i afeh, was hoped would preserve peace. It was not addre _e ...esee to France alone, but also to Russia, Sweden, Ausa a j a) - and Prussia, and he con tended that as all the othe, powers to the treaty mad refused to fulfil it, England was released from the necess i ty of going to war. The hon. member for Horsham stated on Tuesday night that England went into the Conference de claring she woulsi support the independence and integrity of Denmark; but this she never did, for even Denmark admitted the - they went into the Conference without any regard to the basis of 1851 or 1852. he right hon. gen tleman opposite said by way of complaint that her Majesty' s Government hat' proposed in the Conference the line of the Schlei, and that it was made without the co-operation of the ambassador of Russia. But it hon. members would turn to the record of the Conference they would find Lord Cla rendon stating in two of the protocols that that proposal was not solely the proposal of her Majesty's Government, but that it was brought forward with the co-operation of the neutral Powers. Baron Bruanow consented to support the proposal, and said that he was prepared to go into the Con ference on the basis of 1852, but if that basis were found to be untenable, he would support the like of the Schlei. Lord Russell had been accused of brealting his promise with re gard to the line of the Schlei ; but what the noble lord said was that he would not pro - aose an) other line but that of the Schlei, not that he woeild not make another proposition, which was an important distinction. (Hear, hear) What would that house or the country have thought if the noble lord had said., " I will make no proposal for arbitration ; let them go to war." Why, that was a step in the way of peace. The proposal was unfortunately refused by Denmark, Austria, and Prussia, and war ensued. He must refer to another statement of the hon. member for Horsham, because he believed that there never had been a speech made in that house which had shown a greater disregard for dates. (Laughter, and " Hear.") The hon. member stated that he had heard Lord Russell say in the other house that within twenty-four hours he had again made an offer to France to go to war for Denmark. [Mr FrrzuERALD sig nified dissent.] The hon gentleman must not contradict him—(laughter)—he was afraid he was pressing him too tight. When the hon. member made that statement he (Mr Layard) interrupted him, and said it was not the case ; and the hen. gentleman said, "I heard the Foreign Secre tary say that the French Government had declined to go to war for Denmark." He (Mr Layard) had to state ihat there was not the slightest foundation for that. When the Con ference met, the Emperor of the French spontaneously stated why France could not give her support to Denmark at that time. He had shown that Lord Russell had not used threats, but that the language he had used had been uni tormly used by France—that he had not been unnecessarily meddling, and that he had supported the honour of this country, and had throughout shown an ardent desire to maintain peace. (Cheers.) He now came to a very im portant matter. The right hon. gentleman opposite (Mr Disraeli) stated that a cha ige of language had taken place oa the part ct France in the autumn of last year, and he attributed that change of language to two reasons—first, to the way in which France had been treated in the Podsh question; and, secondly, the refusal to accept the Congress proposed by the Emperor. His right h n. friend the mem ber f r Stroud, in his very able speech, h-.d ventured to gra,,ple with the right hon. gentleman on the question of Poiand, and had shown that that policy had been forced upon the Government by the House of Commons—(hear, hear)—and that the G .vernment had acted in complete c•mtormity with the decision of the house. Then, again, with reference to the speech of the hon. member for Hers ham, who bad referred to despatches of Feb. 18, Feb. 21, and Feb 27, would the house believe that not one of the dates of these desi.,atches was correct ? That part of the speech was a complete and absolute mystification. The tesp itch of Feb. 27 only existed in the hon. member's ima gination, and the other two despatches had nothing to do with this particular question. (Cheers.) But what were the facts ? The debate on Poland took place on Feb. 27, On March 2 Lord Russell wrote the first despatch, and he sug gested to the French Government—not in the strong terms of the motion, but in more courteous terms—the spirit of the address of the hon. member for King's County. (No, no,) Let the hon. member who cried " No" refer to the despatches. The hon. member for Horsham, on the occa sion of the debate on Poland, reminded the house that be had seen an illustrious Polish patriot, who hoped that some thing would be done for Poland. fie (Mr Layard) knew that illustrious patriot. But why was the promise held out to him at the time? Because hon. gentlemen opposite thought they would embarrass her Majesty's Government. (No, no, and cheers.) The right hon. gentleman opposite had declared that there were only two lines of policy to be pursued with regard to Poland—viz., that Poland sh uld be made an in dependent kingdom, or that the Poles should be declared free. The resolutions of the hon. member for King's County were war resolutions, and the right hon. gentleman oppo site objected to them, and recommended they should be withdrawn, in order that they 11 ight be emasculated, [Mr DISRAELI—I recommended hint to withdraw the resolu tions.] The noble lord at the head of the Government was willing to have a discussion, but hon. members opposite objected, The hon. member for King's County said he was ready to proceed with the resolutions; but where were the right hon. gentleman and the hon. member for Horsham when the division took place ? Why, to use a word which had become almost classical, they " skedaddled." (Laughter and cheers.) But what was the fact ? The fact was that the hon. member for King's County was betrayed, and the illustrious Polish patriot was betrayed also, (Cheers.) He (Mr Layard) knew the history of that transaction. That illustrious Polish patriot was led to believe that the Con servative party were going to support him, and he be lieved that Poland was going to be restored by war. But the fact was that the whole thing was got up to embarrass her Majesty's Government. When they found the country was not for war, they skedaddled. (Laughter and cheers.) Then the right hon. gentleman said that in the answer given to the proposition for an European Congress the Emperor of the French, whom he called his peculiar triend, had been offended ; but did not the right hon. gentleman himself use more offensive language when he accused the Emperor of the French of having abandoned an old ally and a people who had freely shed their blood in support of his dynasty. Such language, which was a reflection on the honour of the Emperor as a sovereign, and on his humanity as a man, was infinitely mare discourteous than anything which had been written in Lord Russell's despatch. (Hear, hear,) He had listened in vain to the speeches of hon. members opposite for any clue to the policy they intended to pursue. He had heard much about the honour of Eng land and peace ; but the country would not be satisfied with such vague words. (Cheers.) He should be glad to hear how her Majesty's Government could have cted otherwise than they did. He had only heard of two suggestions; the first was that made by Earl Grey, that in the month of January this country should have sent 25,000 men to the Dannewerke ; the other was that her Maje-ty's Goverrement should have observed a total abstinsnce from interference. With regard to the first proposal, would any reasonable man have thought of sending 25,000 men to Denmark, in the depth of winter ? That was a proposition too vague and chimerical for consideration. There was one passage in the speech of the right hon. member for Stroud which deserved attention; that part of it which drew a distinction between interference ana intervention. With regard to interference, ho was as much opposed to it as the hon.member for Rochdale or the hon.member for Birmingham; but mediation in fevour ot peace is a matter of duty. (uheers.) And any Government having the opportunity of bringing about peace, but who re fused mediation for the purpose, would be deserving not of praise, but of execration. (Cheers) He wished to make one more reference to the speech of the hon. member for Hor sham, When it was objected to hon. gentlemen opposite that they did not bring forward a motion before the Confer ence met, the hon. member for Horsham exclaimed, "How could we pronounce an opinion, or bring forward a motion, when the papers containing the despatches were only laid on the table at the end of March ?" Now, so far from that being the case, the papers were presented the let day of March. (Loud cheers upon the Ministerial benches, and cries of " no, no" on the Opposition benches.) Therefore, the statement of the hon. gentleman was most reckless. (Renewed cries of "no, no" from the Opposition benches.) There was a difference of a whole month between them, and ample time was allowed for bringing forward a motion. Mr BAILLIE—They were not distributed until the 20th. Jr LAYARD—The correspondence only ended at the beginning of February —a he answer from Vienna was not received until then—and the papers were in the hands of members at the beginning of March, From the right hon. member for Berks it was impossible to obtain any definite idea of his policy. (Hear, hear.) The right hon. gen' leinan was too much versed in the mysteries of politics to commit himself. (Cheers. ) But, looking round to the men of that party who had not the art of the right hon. gentleman, Why, the one amongst them wh o was what did they say ? most cheered was the right h , n. member for Huntin g d on (Gen. Peel), He would not stop to ask whether that did not confirm the various suspicions floating in the political world —(laughter and ironical cheers) —but the right hon. gentle man, having begu n hi s s p e ech by declaring he waa no par tisan, Went on to remind the house that two years ago, in an aster dinner speech, he had spoken of the maculation, "degradation," and every other anon—(laughter) — which had belL,llen this country in reference to D-ntnark. Ana then the right hon. gentleman, being at the end of his tether, and having com p l etely exhausted his own vocabu lary, had recourse to th e columns of the morning Standar d, where alone he could have found language so choice, and branded us as tog mouthed bullies who sneaked off on the first show of danger. (Ironical cheers and laughter.) The hon. member for Bradford (Mr W. E Forster) quoted one part of the gallant general's speech, in which he spoke of the tarnished honour of England ; but there was another part of the speech, in which he said that, if such things had happened in common life, the greatest coward would have rushed forward to protect the weak, without even asking what was the cause of quarrel—and then, added the right hon. gentleman, he saw no reason why the Foreign-office should not have acted in Zhe same spirit. Well, what was that but a war policy ?—(Ministerial cheers)—and a war policy of the very worst kind, because it was founded upon sentiment, and not upon right. (Loud cheers) That was the policy of the right hon. gentleman, who .vas 10.04 cheered by every member on the benches opr2; lte. (Re newed cheers.) Who did they next I ::.es up to advocate a peace p licy ? Why, of all mea the world, the noble lord the member for Stamfe ,. _ ironical cries ' a a (Lcird It. Cecil.) (Laughter, and " of the Hear, hear.") If there was any member house who had used strong language in favour of Denmark, it was the noble lord (Cheers.) The noble lord was a man of great power, and if it were not that he was in the habit of showing an unfairness towards his political op ponents that went beyond the privilege of partisanship —the noble lord would be a very great man in that house, and he had no doubt he would be so in future time. But he would ask the house whether the noble lord had ever made so bad a speech as on the other night—(laughter)—and the reason was because he aavocated a cause in entire opposition to his own sentiments. (Hear.) The hon. member for Rochdele said there was no difference between the gentlemen sitting on that and on the other side of the house. But now, t eally, VMS there no difference ? The hon. gentleman in the course of his very able speech admitted that the trade of the country had made more progress within the last 25 years than in an 3 hundred years preceding. Well, had the right hon. gentle men sitting upon these benches no hand in producing that marvellous progress? —(cheers)—had they not, by availing themselves of the ability of the hon. member himself, given to this England of ours some beneficent legisla ion?— (renewed cheers)—and had not gentlemen on the benches opposite taken a tone which must be especially distasteful to the hon. member on the vital question of America? (Cheers.) Why, if gentlemen opposite had been upon those benches, we should have been at war with the United States. (Cheers and loud cries of "No, no," from the Opposition benches,) See how they were committed as regarded America ? He and others saw around that house anxious faces, who were waiting for the overthrow of the Government, because they knew that the moment the gentlemen opposite came in the rams would go out of Liverpool. (Loud cries of " No, no," from the Opposition benches.) Why, almost the highest legal authority of the party had committed himself in that house to the policy of the rams. (Cheers.) The hon. gen- tleman continued—Let me ask what great crime has Earl Russell committed to authorise the house to eject the Mi nistry from office ? I do not mean to say that mistakes may not have been committed—(Opposition cries of " Hear, hear")—still Ido not admit any. But who is there that has had to carry on a long and difficult negotiation that has not had to say, on looking back, that something there was which might have been done better? (Ministerial cheers.) I boldly say that, during the whole of these negotiations, my noble friend has done his utmost to preserve the mode ration of Europe, and that any mistake which he may have made is infinitesimally small compared with the great policy which he had carried out. (Cheers.) Talk of lowering the just influence of the country I I will tell you what has lowered its just influence. It is the speeches we have heard from the other side of the house, telling foreign countries and foreign Governments that we are humiliated—telling them, while actually touting y ur own nest, that an Eng lish Ministry can be base, dishonourable, and cowardly. (Loud cheers.) 'Tis that which lowers the just influence of England in Europe. (Renewed cheering.) You may con demn the Ministry, but, let me entreat of you, don't degrade the country. (Great cheering.) You say you simply mean a vote of want of confidence; then, if that be so, withdraw this resolution (Cheers.) Remember, your resolution de clares that the great info nee of the country has been lowered, and remember, if it is carried, that that will be branded upon the records of P rliament for all time. (Great cheering.) But I utterly and entirely deny that the just in fluence of the country has been lowered, and I look forward with confidence to the verdict of the house and the country upon the question. (Cheers.) I can't believe, after the state ment which I have made-1 can't believe, after showing ho.. Lord Ruseell has been misrepresented and misunder stood, how unjustly he has been abused—l canaot believe, I say that the house or the country will condemn a Minis ter who has laboured beyond all other men with truth and sincerity, and, in spite of taunts and threats, has success fully laboured, throughout a period of un. quelled difficulty and danger, to preserve to th a country the ines•imable blessings of peace. (The hon. gentleman resumed his seat amidst loud and prolonged chi- ering ) Mr HARDY said he did not wonder that gentlemen opposite should have received with cheers the first defence for the Government despatches. (Cries of " No, no," in the Ministerial benches ) It was not his intention to revert back to the early period of 1848, as in his opinion the origin of the present controversy dated from Septem ber, '62. On the 24th of September in that year Lord Russell gave the German Powers to understand that he would support them in their contest with Denmark, and then later in the year the noble lord gave advice to Denmark which directly induced the issue of the letters patent. The correspondence with Mr Howard fully established that. But the hou member who had just spoken had charged his right hon friend the member for Bucks and his hon friend the member for Horsham with retisquering the correspondence. Well, he challenged that statement, and asserted that it wan utterly unsupportable. if any passage had been misquoted why had not the hon member corrected it at the tre ment But no, with that subtlety and cunning for which he was distinguished. (Shouts of "Oh, oh," from the Ministerial benches drowned the rest of the sentence.) The extracts read were perfectly correct and complete in themselves, and were such as to convey the whole tenor of the despatches, And, with regard to their tenor and bearing, the hon gen tleman had taken very good care not to allude to what had fallen from gentlemen sitting on his own side of the house. The hon member for Rochdale said of our diplomacy—" It was anarchy—it made us the disgrace of Europe." And so also the right hon member for &mud (Mr Horeman). No thing could xceed the strength of his language with respect to this diplomatic correspondence. But . hat right hon gen tleman had taken a most extraordinary course upon the question. The right hon gentleman said the Opposition was responsible for what had taken place, and that they had allowed the time to pass by when they ought to have inter fered. And then the right hon gentleman, with a humility which was almost touching, declared that even he—the sense-carrier of both sides of the house—(laughter) —had been neglecting his duty—(renewed laughter)—that even he, in common with an apathetic Parliament, had been negeecting his duty. (Much laughter.) Why, there never was a man in that house fitter to have brought forward the question of Denmark. The right hon gentleman could not have compromised any one but himself; for one so isolated, one so independent, had never occupied a seat in Parliament. (Hear, hear.) Any one who remembered the bitter language which had fallen from the right hon. gen tleman with respect to the occupants of the Treasut y bench knew that he was not shy in attacking a Ministry. (Re newed cries of Hear, hear.) And no-v, to turn to the hon. member the Under-Secretary for Foreign Affairs. -I beg to tell the hon. gentleman that the papers relating to this question were not delivered to members at the commence ment of March. [Mr. LATARD dissented.] Why, upon the 18th of March the noble lord at the head of the Foreign. office himself gave the reason why they had not been produced. (Opposition cheers.) The hon. gentleman the Under Secretary has had his attention called to the mat ter. I gave him the opportunity of correcting himself, but he would not be corrected. (Opposition cheers.) Upon the 18th of March, Lord Ellenborough wished to bring forward his motion, and what did Lord Russell say ? "1 do trust the noble lord, upon grounds of public policy, will adjourn the discussion until all the papers are before your lordships." (Loud cheers from the Opposition.) Mr LAYARD (interrupting)—l did not say the papers were in the hands of members on the Ist of March. Mr HARDY—The hon. gentleman (Mr Layard) has used language with respect to gentlemen on this side of the house which does no credit ei her to him or the Government. which he represents. (Cheers from the Opposition.) And now, when the hon. gentleman is convicted of a mis-state ment which he made in the hearing of the house—when he used those words—l am surprised that hon. gentlemen who sit by should have allowed him to make his calumnious statements. (Cries of "Order, order.") Mr LAYARD—I rise to order. I move that the words just used by the hon. gentleman be taken down. (Hear, hear, Order, order, and cheers.) I alluded to the words " calumnious statements." (Hear, hear, and cheers.) Mr HARDY (to the Speaker)—lf I am out of order, I shall hear from you, sir. (Cheers by the Conservatives.) The SPEAKER-- I here does not appear to me to be anything out of order. Lord PALMERSTON then rose, and was received with cheers by the Ministerial party, and loud and vociferous cries of " Order" from the opposite side of the House, He said—l rise to order. I apprehend that it is a fundamental rule governing the debates of thii house that motives are not to be imputed to hon. gentlemen. (Enterruption ) I appeal to you, sir. (Oh, oh, atd much opposition by the Conservatives.) When a member attributes to another that that ho m-Lkes caluminous statements An. HON. MEMBER—The speaker has decided tha . he has made a statement not out of order. Lord PALMERSI'ON essayed to make further remarks, and continued tor several momenta gesticulating to the house. The deafening cries of " Order'' from the Conser vatives, however, quite drowned the voice of the noble vis count. At length, on sitting down, he said that "calumny does impute motives, viz., that he distorted the truth." Mr. DISRAELI, whose rising was the signal for com plete silence in the house, and who was at first quietly heard, said—l rise to order also—to speak on the point of order. I understood, having listened to this debate, that the hen. gentleman the Under Secretary of State charged gentlemen on this side of the house with falsification. (Hear, hear, and loud cheers by the Conservatives.) Gen tlemen on this side of the house, conscious that they did not merit that charge, and not wishing to disturb the order of debate, were contont, when the time arrived, to reply, in terms befitting an accusation of that kind, and in a sense which every gentleman in Europe would think fit—(inter- THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, JULY 8, 1864. uption). I maintain, with deference to the opinion, of course, which you (the Speaker) have expressed, in the • position in which sue noose is plac'd, my hon. friend - , ear tee was perfectly justified in u s ing th e t e r m , after so ungentlemanly an attack as that made upon him by the hon. gentleman the Under-Secretary of State. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, who was vehemently assailed with cries of "Order" from the Op position side, said—Sir, when the hon. gentleman (Mr. Disraeli) rose there was immediate silence on this side of the house. I trust we shall be permitted to say what I have to say on this side in order. The hon. gentleman, as I understood him, founded his justification in point of order on what has just taken place upon an allegation made by him that my hon. friend the Under-Secretary of State for the Foreign Department charged hon. gentlemen opposite with talstfi,attion. (Cheers.) In the first place, lam not aware that he did so—(oh, oh) —that the allegation was correct in pint of fact; but permit me to say that, if these disorderly words were used, which I do not aimit, for I am not conscious of it—if, and this is matter material to the issue—it disorderly words were used by my honourable friend, it was the duty of gentlemen who thought them disorderly to do that which was done by my honourable friend the Under- Secretary of State, and call the attention of the house and chair to the subject the moment the words were used. (Hear, hear.) I apprehend lam safe in laying down that a breach of order—much less a mere allegation of a breach of order—committed by one speaker, will not justify another in the same breach of order. (Great interrup ion.) I hope it will be clearly un derstood whether an imputation of calumnious statement, is or is not henceforward within the liberty of parliamen tary debate. (Oh, oh ) Sir J. PAKJN G CON—I think it right, after what has fallen from the right hon. gentleman, to state that I myself heard—and I may say heard with deep indignation—the word "falsification" from the hon. gentleman on the oppo site side. (Cheers.) I myself said across the house at the moment the Nord was too bad, and I say, if the hon. gen tleman is to be allowed to use language accusing hon. ger, tlemen on this side with falsification, we have a right in call that word calumnious. (Conservative cheers.) I say, after all that has passed, I think the Speaker has ruled most properly. Mr B. OSBORNE was heard in preference to Mr Hardy, who was then rising, and said—l rise to speak to order, and to make a respectful and moderate appeal to the house, and I do so in support of your just authority, sir. (2onservative cheers.) You, sir, have been appealed to by an hon. gentleman in this house, and having laid down the law, which I think you did in your usual candid and straightforward manner---[Here the hon. gentleman was interrupted by the rising of Sir Minto Farquhar, who, in the general turmoil, had not obsei ved that he had net yet concluded]—l must put it to the house whether we are not imperil ing our just influence in the affairs of Europe and this country it, when you have given your decision, that the speaker, whoever he may be on either side, is in order, the noble lord or any other member of this house is to get up and dispute your decision—(Opposition cheers)—and endeavour to overrule it. Such is not my idea of the way to pre-erve order, and t am surprised that the leader of this house should endeavour to being your au hority into disrepute. (Opposition cheers.) The SPEAKER, who was received with solemn silence, said—l am sure the hon. member for Leominster (MrHardy) is the last member in the Heine to impute motives to any man. Cer tainly the debate has been very warm and excit ing, and I should regret to hear, because it would be put. ring the whole House into a 'also position, that heated language on one side should be a justification for language passing the line of order on the other side. (Hear, hear.) Certainly, anything imputing motives to an hon. memoer is contrary to the rules o. this House (Hear, hear.) What has passed in the explanation of this matter, has in some degree in my view altered the case. I mean that it appears to me that language which rather passes the ordinary rules of debate, has been used in conse quence of similar language having been used previously. The debate has been a heated one, and as it was going on I confess there did not appear to me to be any neces sity for interruption or interventio;n on my part. The hon. member fur Leominster did not, I am sure, intend to impute motives which would be of an unparliamentary cuaracter in this case. Under the circumstances ot the case it did not appear to me necessary that I should inter fere; but atter what has occurred I do Dope that the house will return to a calmer spirit., anti I trust that, though the moment is an exc: ing one, language on no side will be used which passes the just privileges of debate. Mr LAYAItD, rising emid loud cries ot " Order " end "Chair," said—l wish to express toy regret to the hon. gene lemon if he understood me. 1 cid not use the word "iitenfication" as my own word, but I quoted has the word of another. (Cries of " Name.") An Hon. MEMBER—The Chancellor of the Exchequer. Mr LAYARD—If the hon. gentleman understood that as an imputation on my part that he was guilty of falsifica tion, I beg to offer him my apology. • Mr HO ASMA.N, after several vain attempts to gain a hearing, said—l wish to speak on another point. (Oh, oh.) The hon membe:. for Leominster just now, holding in his hand the terms of the minion ot which I gave notice to this house in March. (Loud cries of " Order," and " Chair.") Let him give the terms. Mr. HARDY-31r, Speaker, I trust that neither now nor upon any other occasion shall I be wanting in respect for the chair, or for the conracter and dignity of this house, but I cannot help saying that, on the firet night of this de bate, the hon. gentleman accused the right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer—(Loud cries by the Op position, amidst which) The CHANtJELLOII, of the EXCHEQUER rose and advance] to the table. Th. , cries were then intensified into most vociferous demands for order, and the right hon. gen tleman, finding it impossible to proceed, stood a few mo ments in silence, and then resumed his seat. The SPEAKER—The right hon. gentleman is not going to refer to what passed— Mr. HARDY—It was in this debate. The SPEAKER—I cannot allow words which were uttered on a previous night— Mr. HARDY—Without imputing motives either to the right hon. gentleman opposfze, what 1 meant to say, and what I do say still, is, it these expressions are not retracted by those who say that th y had been falsified on this side of the house— that is a calumny, out the person spreading it being influenced try motives; ü b m y n w y whomsoever spread w delivered.with Ido not impute motives. A cal but the statement involved the honour of gentlemen on this side of the house. At the same time, the hon. gentleman has not apologised to me, for I require no apology. I can only say I did not impute to the hen gentleman opposite (Mr. Layard), or to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, any thing wilful; but in the heat of debate, they used words which were calculated to wound the honour and feelings ot hon. gentlemen on this side of the house. (Hear, hear.) (The hon. gentleman then resumed the point in tne debate at which he was interrupted.) Th e hon. gentleman oppo site (Mr. Horsman) had accused him of not quoting the terns of his address. BO H Rm esh4aN.. tod../oebjleaesttiou paragraph i read the whole thing.— ( "That, in the opinion of this house, her Majesty ought not to be advised to give her assent to any new engagements affecting the integrity and independence of Denmark until those engagements have been made known to Parliament." (Hear.) He was at that poi nt w h en the h o n. gentleman (Mr. Layard) stated the house were in possession of the papers relating to this matter on the let of March. The right hon. gentleman (111r.Bni:•naan) said that there was no objection to this discussion being taken at any period. On toe contrary, both Lord Russell and t h e noble lord opposite had said it would be ihjudi o i chs, and might inteifere with the negotiations, to bring this question forward at an earlier peri d, or while the Conference was sitting. This being so, the time they h a d taken was the earliest time they had the opportunity of d o i ng so . They did not in terfere during the progre ss o f these ne gotiations. Tho de. sire of every man was that the peace of Europe should be restored if possible; and if this Conference had been brought to an amicable conclusion, no one would have been more de lighted than he at such a conclusion. They were told, It is not only the past, you must tell Us something about the futon. Now, as to the future, the hon' gentleman (Mr. Layard) had told theta that he had seven folio volumes re lating to certain p ro ceedings, which none of them had seen. Were they despatches or Were they documents in extenso of which they had heard from the hon. member and the noble lord ? It was plain it was only the case of the Government that had been laid before the bouse, and it was on the case of the Government that they asked the verdict of that house and the country. Th e hon, gen tleu.an was in possession of information which none of t h e m had. And it was im • possible to constitut e a policy f or the future when they had not the means of inter Lion. gentlemen said " Bring afocreveusaerdd the G your ofv o o v t e e rn meeenent of t of mismanaging confidence." o n fi d enc these affai rs an d Well, they h a d ma o o damaging the interests es pea ce, and would any one say that was not a vote of want of confidence ? If it were not, he would like to know what wa s. The Government had threatened and menaced, and had not fulfilled their threats. They had advised, and their advice had not been taken. The condition of things had been changed, and they had deserted those.to whom they had given advice. The hon. members for Bradford and Rochdale had condemned in strong terms the conduct of the Government, and so had that watchful Tear'em, as he called himself, 'who was always looking after British honour acrd interest. He flew upon Lord Russell, tore from biro every rag, and had left and exposed him in his namedness to that house and to the country. (Laughter) This speech wee followed by a remarkable statament, that the lion gentleman was going to Pillow gentlemen to the Government lobby. He coull hardly wonder at that. Four teen years ago the n o bl e wateli a • g i a o in g . a; La h u e gh e t a e l r l . e: into him se werelf. the a n d a m d l If it s tb a tte v dy ed hit master, and he was about to follow him lion, who had brought in ti e risgalmanedwo'cYsupied an embarrassing posi they had been up to the middle ehlve,rei,nto that position and how did the present Geverantent find her when they became pes sthesemeGdoovfertnhaeiesenatitahuinillo:ffice ? According to the statements of of last year in accordance with France and Russia. The fact was that they Lad arrived at this poeitieo by constant meddling. tt ith 'regard to the Conference, he could not help thinking hat Ell mankind, like M. Drouyn de Lhuys, foresaw how it would end. The Government began by disc riling the treaty which had all along been the basis of its policy, and when Denmark and England had proposed a certain line as an ultimatum, and that proposal was re - • ••,, Government proposed an arbitration, " , 4 accept. reotea, Iler 4unjoov,,, Which it ought to have known Denmark cowu Now, how Was the Government going to tneet this question ? I The atheridraeht Which was to be sttbmitted to the house evaded the pith and sense of the original motion, to which indeed it might be added as a rider. (Opposition cheers.) It was certainly true that the peace of England is at this moment inviolate, but then it should be borne in mind that that was not the object of the negotiations. After all their threats and failures, the Gcvernment were trying to back out, on the plea that England is at peace. He believed that this country had been lowered in the opinicn of Europe by the course pursued by the Government. He deeply re gretted that she had been brought to such a condition; but the gentlemen on his side of the house maintained that the present Government were responsible for it. They (the Opposition) had menaced throughout the whole of the session, they had now struck the blow; and they were now ready to take the responsibility which might follow, (Loud cheers from the Oppositi , 2.) Mr HO IiSMAN rose to explain that he had never said, as the hon. gentleman seemed to suppose, that the Germans were a set of bullies. Sir F. GO LDS MID owned that he found a great diffi culty in deciding what to do. He could not say " No" to the resolution of Mr Disraeli, yet he could not give a vote which would assist to place the Opposition in office. Under these circumstances, although he entirely differed with Mr Kinglaire in his amendment, he would accept it as the only mode of escaping from the horns of a dilemma. Mr G. W. BE NTINCK thought it was the duty of the House of Commons to look to the honour of the country and not to be influenced by sentiment either in favour of Denmark or against Germany. The resolution of Mr Lis raeli was only a truism, and under present circumstances had become a platitude. It was impossible to deny that the policy of the Government had lowered the reputation of the country in the estimation of European nations. Nothing, in fact, could have been more untortunate ; but although he was prepared to censure it he would not support the re solution if he believed that any compact existed between the Opposition and the Ultramontane party below the gaUgway. Mr COGAN denied that the question of peace or war was at issue. The real question which the house ha.t to decide was in what manner it could best vindicate the honour of the country. Our foreign diplomacy had, i.. his opinion, reduced us to such a state that we were neither loved nor feared. To have made Earl Russell the head of the Foreign Office was a great mistake—a cruel joke on the part of the Premier, and had been most disasrrous to the country. The policy of the iovernment towards I. eland was almost as unfortunate as that pursued in reference to Denmark. They had outraged and insulted the people of Ireland by sending Sir R. Peel to direct their affairs. As an Administration their diplomacy abroad had failed as lamentably as their policy at home, and in voting ,ensure upon them he would do so, not in urder to place a Conservative Administration in power, but to purify the Liberal party. Mr PEACOCKE also spoke in favour of the reso lution. The A rTo RNEY- GENERAL observed that the argu ments of the hon. gentlemen who supported the resolution meant that Eugland must no longer negotiate unless she had her hand on her sword, and unless she was prepared to go to war if her counsels were discarded. It a majority of the house were to sanction such a policy, it would go forth to the world that England would on all occasions act upon the principle of following up the language of remonstrance with armed interference, He maintained that the words ot the Government which had been characterised as menacing were not menaces, but the mere denunciations of the honest truth—the cowing wereing ot mischief and danger. Earl Russell, in his conduct of the foreign afflirs of the country, had pursued an honest, etraigbtlorward course, and any failures .hat had occurred were .o be attributed to the infir mity of humanity, and not to any miscarriage of the policy watch the Government had laid down for their guidance. He contended that Eegland had been as cautious ana re-, served in Lot encouraging Denmark or holding out expec tations of help as ai.y ot the other Powers which had entered the Conference. The resolutions submitted by Mr Disraeli were, in his opinion, a lame and impotent conclu sion to the premises and arguments by which they were supported. It there had been a breach of faith on the part ot the Government, it was not by getting rid of the Minis try that we were to be relieved from our engagements. 'lhe tact was that there were no such engagement, as ha.; been alleged, and the real object of the vote ot censure was to displace a Gov. rnment to answer the purposes of a party irrespective of the effect upon foreign countries, Such a course was not worthy of the reputation of a great party, and he though., it would be tar more honourable and satis faetory it they did their best to maintain the faith of treaties than to succeed to power by availing themselves of the " chapter of accidents." He could not understand how hon gentlemen opposite, with all the letters material to the question betcre them since the 3d of March, should be content to watch and wait for toe course of evens, and then coat- down to the house with a motion, not complain ing or the non-tulfilm,nt of pledges on the part of England, not condemning the Government for not going to war, but blaming them for having c •mpromised the chances of peace. (Cheers.; He admitted it was proper and patriotic for an Opposition, when the Government• were honestly and ear nestly conducting rE_.gotia!ions, to wait until such ne gotiations were either successfully concluded or failed; but it was not consistent with patriotism to stand by it they saw the honour 01 the cJuntry was compromised. Ii the Opposition thought, ef.er France ana Russia had ueclined to co-operate, that Eaeland should go to war, that was the tune tor them to &elate that the country should not be invoived in war, The course pursued by the Opposition was one which he believed the house would not endorse o approve, but he was sure it would be more satisfactory to the Government to fail on the present occasion than to suc ceed to power by availing themselves of the chapter of acci dents. (Cheers) There was no advice given by her Majesty's Government that had not beuu given by France and Russia. These Powers had equally declared that, under certain circumstances, they might be induced to take part with Denmark, but for reasons of their own they had not adhered to that promise. Her Majesty's Government were willing to adhere to it if the other Pow, ra did, and it teey had the assistance of France and Russia they would have given material aid in stopping the war. But, al though France and Russia had acted in a precisely similar manner, the conduct ot these powers was represented as honourable, while her !Majesty's Government was consi dered worthy of censure, (Hear, hear ) He believed the honour of this country had not suffered from the manner in which these negotiations had been conducted. He be lieved the only way to maintain the influence of the coun try was to do right, and advise others to do right, and not to enter upon useless and unnecessary wars. (queers.) Whatever might be the opinion of that house at the present moment, he was sure that the verdict of posterity would not endorse those imputations upon the Government which end formed the main style of the arguments in the present debate. (Cheers,) Lore J. MANNERS expressed his surprise at the sub lime audacity 01 assertion into which the learned Attorney- General had allowed himself to be betrayed. The Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Under-Secretary for Foreign Affairs had been bold enough in their statements, but the zAI of the hon. and learned gentleman had carried him further, and enabled him to improve upon those statements. The Attorney-General had totally misunderstood the len• guage of the address. Ali that they said was that it was not right for England to encourage resistance on the part of Denmark, either directly or indirectly, unless they had. pro posed to carry out their threats and fulfil their promises. Five years ago the noble lord had come into office, in order, in the first place, to carry a democratic Reform Bill, and in the next to raise the name of England to a height which it had not attained under the wise and temperate management of Lord Derby. (Laughter on the Ministerial benches.) Well, how had the noble lord redeemed that boasted pledge? How had he maintained the honour and character of Eng land in those transaction; ? Why, trout every foreign news paper, from every foreign capital in which an unfortunate Englishman might happen to reside, trom every foreign Court to which the Government had addressed its ster le complaints, there tame one and the came answer. More than that, the very speech of the Royal Commissioners at the commencement of the session admitted that, whereas in 1859, when Lord Darby's Government succeeded to the management of affairs, England was loyal to all the other Powers of Europe, in 1864 she stood in a position of im potent isolation. (Cheers.) Why was it that great States like Prussia, and small States like Saxony, equally repu• dieted our interference ? The cause was not deep. It had been reserved for Lord Russell to combine a parody of the language of Lord Chatham with en exagge ration of the policy of Sir Robert Walpole. But it was said they were not concerned with Lord Russell alone, but with the whole of the Government. He admitted that, and far be it from him to fellow the example of the noble earl him self in 1855. when he made one of his colleagues responsible for the guilt of the whole Administration. He, therefore, would not charge Lord Russell alone with the failure of these negotiations. He must say that, having been in the house on that memorable July morning of last year, whoa the noble lord at the head of the Government delivered nimself of that famous statement to watch such frequent reference had been made, he could not but accuse the noble lord of a singular blindness in regard to the threatening aspect of this quarrel. In spite of the warnings which he rmoeived, the noble lord rose in his place in the end of July, and said that he saw no danger to Europe under those °fr. cumstances. They were now told that the dignity of that house would suffer ii it gave expression to the universal voice of the country If the House of Commons failed to give expression to that voice, they failed in the discharge of one of their most sole= and most important duties, The time, he thought, had crone when this house mush express its opinion on the conduct of the Government. (Hear, hear.) It, having expressed the threats they had expressed, they had pursued a bold and vigorous policy in the outset, they might have stifled this iniquitous war in its bud; but, instead of that, it appeared to him the Government had neither known how to maintain, the peace of Europe, nor now to uphold the dignity of England. (Heal, hear.) It appeared to him that the one had, been and was still imperilled, and the other was tarnished , in the keeping of her Majesty's Ministers. He ad perused these doeu m.nts with pain and regret, and it was with pain and with regret that he felt himself bound to support the address prepared by his right hon. friend. He believed that address he wasqwuhitiechcehretahinad, twhaadtetdiadeidpintoifttirleflare,cdt expressed accurately the o pi n i on o f E ngland ; and of th i s h tl i e Pl :p sB iri P t a a g ti e d s p eople. The y should remove throua.- a spirations of the Eng'n....4 those from authority who had made cs3nditions which they had not fulfilled. They should be removed, in order to prevent humiliation, and England would rise to ber pristine name and tame and power, become once more the moral bulwark of the oppressed against the oppressor, and resume her wonted influence in the councils of Europe. (Conser vative cheers Mr OSBORNE moved the adjournment of the debate. Mr ONSLOW, in seconding the motion, :laid he thought the Government had steered the barque of the Stay., with consummate skill. (Oh, oh, and laughter, by the Conser- • vatives,) Hen. gentlemen might hugh, but there was a strong party in the House and a still stronger patty in the country who were of that opinion, and had confidence in the Government, It was his firm conviction that so long as they were blessed with a Liberal Government--(hear, hear, and laughter)—and so long as affairs were administered by the Government now in office, England was secure. (Cheers and laughter.) It was all bosh to say the prestige of Eng land was lessened on the Continent. (Laughter.) It England was hated on the Continent, his long experience told him it was because we were rich and powerful, and because we were happy. (Cheers and counter-cheers.) The Government, instead of a vote of censure, were wor , by of thanks for having slipped the neck of England out of that noose which was prepared for her. (Hear, hear.) As this was a struggle for party and power, he should support the Government, with the full anticipation that his vote would meet wish the approbation of his constituents. Mr HENNESSY said that, before the debate was ad journed, he wished to call the attention of the douse to a circumstance which might have the sffect of inducing two members of the Government for the future to pay that deference which was due to the chair. He found that the noble lord at the head of the Government, on the 27th April, 1855, addressing that House, used these words with reference to a statement made by the Under- Secretary of State for the Home Department : " Every reasonable man must have been convinced that the charges made by the honourable member (Mr Layard) were raise and caluminous." (Opposition cheers.) The noble lord had risen that night not only to call to order an hon. member who had used precisely identical words, but had actually concluded by calling into question the decision lof the speaker. _ _ _ Lord PALMERSTON apprehended that on the occa sion to which the hon. member referred, he had appiied those terms not to the hou. member for Southwark, but to charges made by some other person. (Oh, and hear.) In any case he entirely submitted to any decision which Mr. Speaker might make on that or any other point. He rose chiefly to ask the hon member for Buckinghamshire whether it wash s wish, and the wish of those acting wit h him, that the debate should terminate to• orrow night. It so, he would appeal to hon. members who had motions on the paper, on the motion tor go ng Into committee ot supply to allow that motion to be made only as a matter of tot m, so that the debate might be proceeded with as soon as the forms ot the House permitted. (Hear, hoar.) Mr DISRAELI said—So far as he could collect the wishes of the House, it was that the debate should be con cluded to-morrow (Friday) night. The adjournment of the debat • was then agreed to. The Cranbourn-street Bill passed through committee. The Indemnity Bill was read a third time and passed. COURTS OF JUSTICE SITE BILL. This bill was read a second time The Indi% Stocks Transfer Act Amendment Bill was read a t ird time and passed. PILOTAGE ORDER UONFIRMATION (No 2) BILL The order tor the commi , tal of this but was discharged. The Turnpike Acts continuance Bill was read a second time. PUBLIC Sc HOOLS BILL. This bill passed through committee. The Ecclesiastical Courts and Registries (Ireland) Bill passed through committee. The Judgments, &c., Law Amendment Bill was read a third time and passed. STREET MUSIC (METROPOLIS) BILL. On the motion tor the third reading of this bill Sir W. JOLLIFFE moved that it be read a third time that day three months. The motion was r, jected by 49 to 18, The bill was read a third time and passed, The other business was disposed of and the house ad journed a few minutes before two o'clock, Scene in the House of Commons last Night There were fewer cards left by members with the chaplain at a quarter to four last afternoon than on he previous evenings of the debate; but, there was no lack of those distinguishing marks of a full at tendance. When Mr. Layard rose the house was almost thin, the Opposition being in the majority ; but by half-rest five the house had resumed the appearance which has become normal in the. pre sent Parliamentary conjuncture. The reason for this was obvious, for it was soon discovered that Mr. Layard was making a capital speech. His prepa rations showed very formidably. There was a de -patch box, full of neatly-arranged papers; on one side of his chosen position at the table there was another packet of tethered documents conspicuously el,ced before him on the box, which is so usetul in giving effect to emphatic periods by the hollow sound which it returns to the energetic slaps that ire bestowed upon it; while a jot.= of water for purposes of deglutition was exhibited with ominous ostentation, and flasked a pile of volumes of what were blue-books before they were endued with the uniform binding of the library of the house. At once Mr. Leyard gave notice that he was going to make a long speech, and immediately he went in for uttermost and loyal defence of Lerd Russell, by be c ming intensely aggressive in a series of paren theses, interspersed between statements of facts, col lation of documents, and explaining away of the well-culled quotations which had been used by gentlemen opposed. Notably, he dissipated what was supposed to be a great point made by some body—Mr. Horeman, we believe—on the date and the locality of what is called the " Gotha de epetch," which he showed was not written in a Cabinet in Germany under the supervision of the King of Prussia, but in Downing-street, before Lord Russell went on his continental tour in attendance on the Queen. This speech was the more welcome even to the opponents of the Government, because it was the first formal defence of their policy which had been attempted since Mr. Gladstone had spoken. Speaking directly from the Foreign Office, Mr. Layard may have been expected to be earnest, even energetic ; but he un. questionably outdid all expectations. He stirred and excited the House; the cheers broke out at almost every other sentence; every point was taken up warmly by the members behind him; while the pleasant bitter of ironical cheers was administered to him with a palpable tonic effect. The least tacti cal part of his speech, its condemnation, distributing defiance and retort with a slight indiscretion, had the effect of putting the House into a turmoil and a state of antagonism which tended to give a pro mineney to Mr. Gathorne Hardy, who followed, which that gentleman would hardly have achieved for himself, however well he had got up his lesson. Curiously enough, Lord John Manners rose at the same time with Mr. Hardy, indicating an absence of arrangement in the debate; for, both being oc cupants of the front Opposition bench, they might be supposed to have been in communication on the matter of man asavring. Mr. Hardy is what may be called a tempestuous speaker. and seems to be in a state of chronic excitement, end, flushed beyond himself by the spirit of the scene, he used words towards Mr. Layard which caused that gentleman to jump up and demand that they should "be taken down." The Speaker, actuated by the reluctance to put in force the penal rules of the House, owing to an ignorance he shares with all his predecessors as to what is to be done in order to carry them out in action, intimated that, looking to the habits of the preeent Parliament, he saw nothinwgpoairmtipceualcahr impeached the language in question. This brought up Lord Palmerston in a well - assumed rage, h the decision of the chair; to whom came, in a still better feigned passion, Mr. Disraeli, who brought up Mr. Gladstone in a real one; and in ;he melee, which grew hot and furious, Mr. Osborne intervened in the new character of thß "vie pietate gravis," whose calm and reverend presence has been described as effectual in temieg down the passionate impulses of a crowd, and demanded deference to the decision of the chair. On this the Speaker, who had been rather snubbed, insinuated Chet both pare ties were in the wrong, and that the best thing they could do was to let the matter drop, with a promise not to "do so any more," which half-sar castic advice was duly followed. Soon after the House was left in the hands of Sir Francis GJlcle amid,- until Mr. G. Bentinck rose to gratify a natural curiosity as to how he would vote, and who, while stating that he should go against iNtniwers, de clared that he could not go into the same lobby certain Irish Roman Catholic members, if he Was assured that they had agreed to withdraw their ordinary support from the Government, under what he insinuated was a questionable compact. Th is wa ,; reasonably expected immediately to pro &tee a row; latt; although Mr. Cogan, evidently in the character of a represet,:ative man amongst Irish Liberal members, declared that he was about to desert Ministers, the discussion lapsed quietly down to Mr. Peacocke, who, as usual, tried to be very particular, but was not. It seemed somewhat of a wasting of the first-class material of the Government debating power to put up the Attorney-General at; a point of the discussion when nothing had occurred to stir the hon. anti learned gentleman up to con cort•pitch ; and thougn he delivered a most masterly speech, the circumstances of the hour were unfavour able to hid developing all his qualities, and pouritik . out that eloquence which he is well known to pos ' sees. His argumentation was nearly faultless, and his interjectional observations were pointed an& spirited ; but those wno expected a burst of decla mation at the close of his address must have b• en a little disappointed. Lord John Manners had the dissatisfaction of shouting his carefully balanced sentences, in his most strident tones, to the vet y smallest audience which had listened to any ~peaker who claims pretensions to at least a second rank. 'At last Mr. Osborne obtained the privilege which belongs to the gentleman who moves the adjournment of the debate ; and of course this pos session will act as an invitation of the most general character to the House. Toe discussion was not allowed to close without a characie:istic attempt on the part of Mr. Hennessy to get up a scene with Lord Palmerston, which, however, the noble lord literally dashed aside. It is to be noted that it is arranged that the debate is to close this n;:ght. Mr, Gladstone and Reform, Mr Thomas Pindar, having conveyed to Mr Glad.. atone a resolution expressing approval of Mr Glad.. stone's public career and his opinions on reform, which was adopted recen,;ly at a meeting of the working men of New-trk, has received from the Chancellor of the Excht quer the following reply " Carlton House-terrace, S.W., July 1. "Sir—l have received with particular interest and gratification the resolutions which you have been good enough to forward to me from a meeting of the working men of Newark. lam not friendly to' changes either sudden or violent, but I cannot wonder that they should regret the almost ~entire ithdrawal (as I presume it to be), in places like Newark, from their class, of the privilege of the suffrage ; and I hope to see the public opinion of this country move gradually and steadily in the direction of such measures as, while neither derange ing or disturbing society, would sensibly widen the basis of our institutions, and contribute in propors tion to their solidity and strength. Long years have now severed me from Newark, and those whom I remember there, or could remember me, are principally numbered with their fathers. But no lapse of time can efface from my mind the me mory of the place which gave me, when young, the opportunity Qf learning within the walls of Partiae ment the working of the constitution, and the true character of my country. With many thanks for your obliging ❑ote, I remain, Sir, your very faith. tul servant, 1 ' W. E. GLADSTONE. "Mr. Thomas Pindar." COUNTRY MARKETS. MANCHESTER—THURSDAY. A full attendance at our market to-day, bat the business passing was 'muted, and for both English and toreigu wheat the lull prices of last week were demanded. Flour met a slow demand at former rates. Oats ld per 451 b up, and oatmeal steady. English beans advanced is per qr. and Egyptian is to 2s per qr. Indian corn was likewise Is (id to 2s dearer. BURTON.ON-TRENT - THURSDAY. The usual show of grain at our market. and we quote an advance of 6d to ls on wheat Barley rather dull, and at previous prices. Oats were very scarce, but met with a Lair demand. Beans were firm, at extreme prices. Peas unaltered in price. Old white wheat..42s to 46s I Old red wheat, ..37s to 40s New do. 448 to 48s I New do. ..43s to 450 Malting barley....32s to 35s Oats 2ls to Os Grinding d0.....2Gs to 30s I Beans 3ss to 430 BIRMINGHAM-THURSDAY. There was a moderate supply of English wheat at mar• ket to-day, and last week's extreme prices were realised. —English wheat was sold at 42s to 44s for white, and 366 to 42s per 36 stone for red, Barley, new malting, 30s to 38s per qr ; grinding, 24s to 26s Oats, old, 22s to 305 per 30 stone ; Irish, 18s to 24e. Beans, 36s to 40s per qr• Peas, 34s to 385 per 36 stone. BRISTOL—THURSDAY. A small supply of English wheat at our market, which- sold pretty freely at Cully late prices Foreign unaltered to price, but the sale was inactive. Barley 3d to 6d advance upon late quotations, but the demand was by no metal I , rge. Oats were more freely offered, and he prices pen' - were scarcely so good as on this day ee'nnight. Beane were unaltered. Peas in slow request. EDINBURGH GRAIN-JULY 6. - ------• - To. day there was a good supply of grain, which sold at fully last week's prices. Wheat on the top Is od down.. average Os ld up. Barley on the top is Od up average Os 7d clown. Oats on the top Os nd up.... Beans on the top is Od up average Os 9d up. Avei age Prices. Wheat.. Barley 2Bs Od I Beans 358 Ild Total Supply and Sales. Wheat........ 961 qrs Sold 674 qrs 8ar1ey........ 18 qrs Sold 137 qrs Oats Beans 7l qrs Sold 62 qrs Foreign Mail Packet List. MAIL 6 D LE. maralla and Mauritius, via Southampton. . July 19 via Marseilles July 13. ,srazil and Cape Verds, by British packet. Aug. 4 - %ape of Good Hope, Ascension, and St. Helena. July 29. Penang,, and Singapore, via Southampton. July 19. via Marseilles July 14 , Falkland Islands ... Gibraltar, via Southampton .. July 12 India ketticutta), and Ceylon, via Southampton Juiy 29 via Marseilles July 14 udia (Bombay), -via Southampton . July 11 via Marseilles July 18. Portugal.... Aug. 4 . Malta, Egypt, and Aden, via Southampton July 1 1 . via Marseilles July -- Newfoundland Oporto and Vigo U. S. and British N. America, by Brit. packet.... July 1 4 by U.S. packet.... by Canadian packet. July 8 AllC litornia. and parts of West ii ln rit dies i43 , Columbia including .Chili, Peru, 1 July 14. ;I. [MITERTISEMENT.]—HoIIoway's Pills,—Disorders the kidneys, known by the deeply-seated pain in the baelv and scanty secretion of water, can be arrested in their di!' tressing and rapid course by these regulating Pills. Their highly tonic and strengthening properties prevent the ire" poverishm.nt of the blood and the derangement of circuit!" tion, characteristic ot kidney disease, and often ending tD partial or general dropsy. Experience has proved th e almost unvaried success obtained when Holloway's Pill ° are taken in the earlier stages, and the ease they afford when the complaint is more advanced. They relax the ho t ' and parched skin, overcome the a tt en d ant cost i veness, a nd inotice a, copious secretion by the kidneys, which are the harbingers ot disease departing and health returning. Births. KENYON..—On the sth inst., at 49, Wilton-crescent, the Hen. Mrs. Kenyon, of a son. PORTSMOUTH --On the 6th inst., at Hursttoume-par if ' H Juts, the empress of Portsmouth, of a son. WELDON —On the 7rh inst., at tho residence of her mu her, 1, Oxford-square, Hyde-park, the wife of Sir L. Weluon, Bart., of a son. Marriages. FrrzCLARENcg—SCOTT. — On the 6th inst., at St. Paul' o ' Wiltorl-p ace, Commander e Hon. George Fit zelareoc e ? R.N., to the Lady Maria Henrietta Scott, eldest daugtO r of the Earl and Countess of NEWBERY—BULL. -0 a the sth inst., at Saint Johrx.P" :t S ou inwiek-ereseent, London, Colin, youngest the Mite son of late T. C. Newbery, Esq., of Ottery St. Mary, Dsvoll; shire, to Emily Augusta Vignier, filth daughter of J. i s Bull, Esq., of Hyde-park-street,W. Deaths. nCa BRANTHWA.ITE.-011 the sth inst,, at Morecambe, drour— wbile bathing, the Rev. John B r , n th waite, Principal ° St. Edmund Hall, Oxtord, aged 41. GRA.TTAN.—On the 4th inst., at 117, Jermyn-street, Th ° , B ; Colic) Grattan, Esq., late ll.M.'s Consul for the SIP of Massachusetts. U.S, GILBERT.—On. the 6tn inst., at Vsnbrugh-park, Blaci c° heath, George Felix Gilbert, aged 75- PEARCE.—On thelth inst., Francis Fearco,, Esq., of Jonn's-.oad, Upper Lewisham, aged 77. RonEwrsoN.—On the 6th inst., at Richmond-road, Jiac l4 ' ney, Ronal() Robertson, Esq., aged 49 WILSON.—On the 7 t h i nst., at Chelsea C o ll ege , La dy Wilson, wife of Si r J o h n M. Wilson, C. 8., ,a London: Prita e d and Prt,...ished by S , VILIAA...II ANDit of NO. 112, Strand, Printer, at 1 kIE SUN Of f ice allo• o f Strand. al th, Precinct 01 the "Savoy, n the COll2 l, MUCticx.—Fliday, July 8, 18:51. I