The Sun. — London, England, 1838-07-10 00:00:00

tik:%o ..- ~.~t SPIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS. We are rejoiced to find that the National Loan Fund Bill has been triumphantly passed in the House of Com mons. It wi.l be seen that it was last night read a third time, and passed by a majority of three to one. It was also last eialit introduced into the House of Lordsos here it was real a first time. Considering the excellent principles on which this hi 1 is based, and the triumphant majority by which it was passed in the Commons, there can be no question that it will also pass the Upper House. this Ses sion. We are rejoiced at the all hut certain prospect of this Bill immediately becoming the law of the land, not only because we were among its earliest and most earnest advocates, but because of the vast amount of rood of which it cannot fail to be productive to the com munty generally, but especially to those who stand most in need of any benefit it may conkr, namely, the working classes. Hitherto they have been mocked and cheated out of their hard earnings by the entire brood of benefit and other mutual protection Societies, no matter by what name they hate been called. 'rife Society in question secures them or their families, in any conceivable case, the return of the greater amount of the money they have paid, while to those whr reach an advanced age it secures a comfortable independency ; and this it does on the easiest possible terms, on such terms as the loner classes cannot feel to be a sacrifice of any of their humble comforts, far less of their twee:sillies. Their subscriptions will be received weekly, monthly, qu irterly, half-yearly, once in three quarters, or annually, just as is most convenient for the members themselves. Such a Society must soon raise the social and moral character of the labouring classes ; while it will res cue them from the c'.utches of the whole tribe of schemers and swindlers, who, under various names and in various ways, have been plundering them for the last half century. It will make the working classes independent, not only of . the Poor-rates, but of that assistance from the nobility, gentry, and others, which they have been compelled so often in ssasons of great pressure to solicit. And it will thus, in directly, benefit the wealthier classes, inasmuch as they will rot only have to pay less in the shape of Poor-rates, but will not have cause to put their hands into their pockets for bene v, lsnt purposes so frequently as before. The excellence of the principles on which the Bill is based was so evident and undeniable, that when Sir Benjamin Hall moved the third reading no one ventured to utter it word against the measure. The President of the Board of "rrale, it is true, opposed it, but that was only on the ground that he in tended to bring in a general measure of the same kind. But when it was stated to the House that this Bill had been so long before it, and that no general measure was yet introduced, and could not now be carried this Session, the impression in favour of the third reading of the Na tional Loan Fund Bill was all but universal—hence the triumphant majority by which the third reading was car ried. It triumphs, we repeat, is no less certain in the Up per House.—Morning Advertiser, The Irish Poor-law Bill was read a third time last night in the Lords, and passed. The division was 93 to 31. The Lords who have usually spoken against this Bill, took this last opportunity of protesting against it. Lord Brougham made a long speech, eulogising the English Poor law, and condemning the Irish, because Ireland was with out the machinery which enables the English Poor-law Bill to produce beneficial effects. The Noble and Learned Lord contrived to introduce all manner of subjects into his speech. He dwelt at some length on the contradictory evidence they had respecting Ireland, and quoted private letters and a recent speech of Mr. O'Connell as evidence that Ireland was not in a satisfactory state. Among other points, be touched upon the uselessness of the Vice-regal Government, quoting the opinions of several Irish states men in support of his views. Hii Lordship omitted the strongest of all arguments for the continuance of the otfice of Lord Lieutenant—the income attached to the office. If water be in our times a means of facilitating communication instead of retarding it, if the people on the opposite banks of a river or an arm of the sea have generally more intercourse with each other than people separate by mountains, there seems no reason why Ireland, separated by water from England, should have a separate government any more than Yorkshire or Scotland. But this was thrust in head and shoulders into the discussion of the Irish Poor-relief Bill. Lord Melbourne hit the nail on the head when he said that— " He knew that there was a pretty general feeling against the E.'ll in the minds of the Irish gentry—a feeling which ma d e hio doubt whether the measure had been fairly repre sented to those humbler classes f,r whose benefit it was in tended. If fairly represented to the poor he did not believe that they wu.'td entertain such sentiments with respect to it re had been stat,sd by the Nob!e and Learned Lord. He ai initted that there a lig a vent difference in the condition of Ire laud as compared iyi:h that of. England ; he admitted, too, that the measure then before them was one that would proba bly he attended with much difficulty in its first application ; but he saw neither in the difference between the two coun tries, nor in the difficulties by which the Bill might at first be attended, anything that made him despair of its ultimately working to the great advantage and improvement of the desti tute poor in Ireland.—( Hear, hear.) The opposition that ha'l Leen raised to the Bill did not convince him either that its principle was bad or its machinery inefficient." His Lordship observed afterwards that he could not persuade himself that a Bill which promised so much good to the poor of Ireland could be so extremely unpopular tin oughout the whole of that country, because it would int. pose some additional charge upon the landlords. Lord Brougham's argument goes against all Legislative attempts at improvement whatever. Why is a Poor-law proposed for Ireland ? Not because the social condition of Ireland is what it ought to be, but because it is wished to make it resemble that of England. The principle which pervades the English Poor-law is this—that the higher classes hold their property on the tenure of providing for the wants of tae lower. This principle, if acted on, will in t;me create gradations of society in Ireland, instead of the two classes which alone exist in that country now—gentry and beggars. Without a Poor-law there never can be an efficient police, and without a police there never can be an investment of capital in the soil. Lord Brougham's long speech had not one luminous point in it, except leis episode r, specting the Lord-Lieutenancy. The Bill has now passed, and, in spite of Open or socret uppikition, we hate no doubt that before long it will work a great change in Ireland. Tile first effects may he harsh, but ultimately it will conduce greatly to the improyeniont of that country tang Chronicle. The news arilviog daily from the other side of the At li. tie is not of the meat tranquiltzin; character. The re lieLion, properly speaking, had been put down before the co meet of Catialan off ors received any admixture or adulteration of busybody dicta', 1.41:io from the hands of Lord Durham. We do not find that matters have mended since. Outrage loss b !en heaped upon outrage by aggres rws on both sides of the St. Lawren , e, though chiefly, it Deist b • acknowledgA Er an that of the thine., States. The feeling along the whole line of frontier has been r..ei procally inflamed and ttl;!erated until the result at la-t is lert to the fe soul arbitration of accident, which seems to domi neer over constituted authority, and to treat with equal in atilf,rence the Act of Cou.'ress, the orders of Van Buren, the Durham skspotism, and the laws of civilized naforts. It it sail that Lord Durham has sent a special massage to thc President, and made upon him c•-r -strmig demands for redress in relation to the Peer steam-boat, which, while within the supposed protection of republican laws, wits attacked, pi lager+, and slestreped, it, coat,topt of them, by au armed scd despe rate banditti, assuming a political ground for the aggres sion—yiz , that it was in revenge fur the capture of an American steam-boat, employed it) making war upon the British colonies. Now, the outrages committed by the Caroline upon Great Britain, were precisely of the same stature with that perpetrated by the assailants of the Sir Robert Peel. Both enterprises were prepared within the territory of the United States, under the very nose of the republican authorities, and promoted and shared in by citi zens of the republic. In their objects and form the two out rages differed; the one being directed against a British island —the other a British ship. Each amounted to an act of down right hostility towards Great Britain. To attempt to drown the wrong inflicted on this country by a fierce and stupid cla mour against the mode of self-defence resorted to by her Majesty's subjects, being the only means of protection left n them, was worthy of the pirates with whom the crime originated. We trust no officer or Minister of this country has been weak enough to be ,influenced by regard to such a fraud. In the same way we trust that Lord Durham has represented in language of sufficient vigour to Mr. Van .Buren the full force of the alternative in which the violence of his own people, and the utter feebleness of his own laws, and apparent carelessness of the American Legislature. have placed 11:m. an 1 with him the republic herself. For, inasmuch as her foremost duty towards foreign and friendly ,states is to protect them against aggres,ions prepared tvithin her ports and territorios, it flows directly from that principle. that if she withholds protection first, and repara tion afterwards, she in effect compels the injured state to protect itse!r, and to vindicate its own wrongs by seek ing the wrot. rdoers in their den, and dragging them to punishment. We see nothing whatsoeter in the overt acts of the U n ited States Government to justify a sus picion that Mr. Van Buren will deliberately throw impedi ments in the way of justice when appealed for by Great The tine of his last message to the House of ;Representative: refers in a spirit of frankness and good sieigtibourhood to the sentiments which animate the coun cils of both States, as contrasted with the abominable " design apparently formed, and in the course of execution, by Canadians who have 'found a refuge within our" (the reluhlican) .‘ territory, aided by a few reckless persons of our own country, to involve the nation in a war with a neighbouring and friendly power." Reckless, it is true, are the republicans who would involve their country in a war with Great Britain, calamitous, if not fatal, as it must - 44 _)* i •---' '', Al prose to both nations. We hope that h niay with equal truth be alleged of such frontier disturbers of society, that they are "few" as that they are " reckless." Mr. Van Buren makes it a topic of congratulation that redress for the mutual injuries on English and Ame rican steam-boats has not been sought by either Go ntent of the other. It would give us great surpriie. no less than pain, to imagine, that for crimes committed within the jurisdiction of this country there should he no hdequate redress awarded by British tribunals ; nor do we believe in the moral possibility of such an ag gravation of wrong from such a quarter. But if, as in the state of . Vermont, within these few weeks, the laws of the republic be so administered as to amount to an absolute denial of justice to Great Britain, see in what a predicament we then are placed—see to whose mercy we are delivered over. Will the feelings of our provincial brethren, or of the people of England here at home, be sa tisfied with the unsuccessful issue of such a reliance on words, and forms, and perverted usages, where sub stance and spirit are wanting ! The difficulties of the boundary question, and those, less calculable, aris ing out of the revengeful and pugnacious temper of the borderers on the St. Lawrence, to sty nothing about those Republican crusaders who speculate on plunder in the shape of land, may be considered as complicating and enhancing each other, and as rendering a peaceful solution of the whole so much the more precarious and qwstionable. For this danger, which, if real, cannot be remote, we have to thank the imbecility of Lords Glenelg and Gosford. who never could muster up sense or decision to promise fairly to 1 the Canadians that which ought to be conceded, or to re fuse them firmly and definitively that on which they had no just right to reckon. Precisely similar is the obliga tion of the British empire to Lord Palmerston, for the inextricable confusion and miserable hopelessness to which the political interests of the whole eastern hemisphere are now reduced. Had the incompetent pretender who has for so many years been dabbling with and distracting the foreign affairs of England told Mehemet Alb five years ago, that if he attacked the Porte, Great Britain would be come his enemy, the career of fraud and violence by which that robber bas proceeded so far towards the annihilation of Turkey on one side, and her prostrate vassalage to Rus sia on the other, would have been arrested at once. The consequence of Lord Palmerston's meanness in deserting Turkey on pretence that he had been forced to keep four sail qf men-of-war at the mouth if the Scheldt ! is, that Mehemet Alli has announced to the same Lord Palmer ston his determination to throw off his allegiance to the Grand Seignoi, th us di smem b er i ng th e T ur ki s h empire and overturning the Sultan's throne. Will Lord Palmerston look on with tameness at thip:atastrophe of his own work ? We fear he will.— Times. We cannot understand how it happens that the Minis terial press, without the exception of a single paper, article, line, or word, takes so much care of the reputation of Lord Durham, and appears so utterly regardless of that of Lord Melbourne. It is certainly out of the ordinary course of affairs that a Prime Minister should be sn entirely deserted ; and we can only account for the ex traordinary fact upon one or the other of these suppo sitions, that Lord Melbourne's enemies and Lord Durham's friends in the Cabinet have sought, acquired, and actually enjoy the advantage of a more powerful influence over the press of the party than the Pre mier himself has thought it necessary to cultivate ; or that the Ministerial press, bound by habit, if not by instinct, to support the cause of rebellion, its what ever region or whatever form it may appear, admire and patronize Lord Durham for the contempt with which he studiously treats the Government at home, and the alacrity which he has displayed since his arrival in Canada to assume the functions and exercise the powers of a Monarch at once independent and despotic. But it is not the Ministerial Press only that offers the tribute of adulation to Lord Durham, and shows indifference or hosti lity to the character of the Chief Minister of the Crown. Lord John Russell, if we may judge front his speech of last night in the House of Commons, in reply to the questions of Sir E. Sugden, is entirely of the same mind with the Mi nisterial Press. The Home Secretary does not disguise his opinion, or perhaps, we ought rather to say, affects an opinion which he does not really entertain, that the first acts of Lord Durham in Canada are capable of jus tification, anti that Lord Melbourne's public expression of the surprise and regret which that conduct had ex cited in his mind was gratuitous, rash, or hypocriti cal. It is impossible to overlook the very remarkable coincidence between the speech of Lord John Russell, de livered last night in the House of Commons, and the lu cubration of the Globe upon the same subject, published a few hours earlier on the same evening. The Globe is in raptures on being enabled to a. , :nounce that Lord Durham has received from certain portions of the Canadian people sonic such addresses as are perfectly matters of course, on the arrival of a new Governor in any dependency of the British Crown. "An address," says our exulting Contem porary, " with 2,000 signatures, from QuAsee, was presented to Lord Durham on the Gth, another from the district of Montreal on the 00." And from these addresses, contain ing not a word but what forms part of the ordinary every (lay material of such complimentary effusions. The Ministerial journal infers that Lord Durham's con , uct is immaculate, and that Lord Melbourne, in censuring it, has proved himself a very foolish or a very dishonest man. "So much," exclaims, with an air of ttiumph, the Ministerial Globe, " for the feeling with which the Canadians have received the Queen's represen tative. As for the acts of the new Government, they are as may be im Tined, but few as yet, and persons must be alike interested who speak of them with praise nr censure." And who has spoken of these acts with censure so soy, re as Lord Melbourne ? Is it even po,sible to imagine any censure more severe than that which is conveyed when the chief Minister of the Crown, in his place in P..rliament, and speaking, as he is understood to speak, in the name of the entire Government, denounces the conductor the Governor of a colony as the source or " surprise and regr-t." Now let us compare the reasoning of the Globe with that of Lord Mel bourne's powerful colleague in the Commons. The r .asoning of the Globe is bad, inasmuch as addresses which are merely custoinwy, and which do not in any ease imply. while some they exclude the idea, that the persons who signed them were c..gnlzaat of Lord Durham's conduct, prov e nothing to the purpose for which the Globe referred to them. And as the varieties of bad reasoning upon any subject are ii.tinite, and in the sonic proportion, the coin cidence of two independent minds in the same tr kin of had ti.oilittg is improbable, the identity we are about to esta bUsh between the bad reasoning of the Globe and of Lord John Russell must be the effect of concert and not of aeci d•mt. We request the public, after having read the words of the Globe, to peruse carefully those of the Nrnisterial leader of the House of Commons. Lord John Russell said list night that " he was persuaded L..rd Durham had used his best.discretion in the exercise of the authority that had been vested in him. The principles en Lor.l Durham had proceeded had met with general concurrence, as expressed in addresses front variou: parts of the pro vince." This coineid , oce seems to as to supply full evi dence 0" a conspiraey among Lord Melbourne's colleagues io the Cabinet to bolster up Lori Durham at the expense of the Premier's repot ant. wha'e% er that may be worth, for intelligence and integrity. The Prime Minister of the Crown, addressing the Howe of Lords, has explicitly charged Lord Durham with the offence of appointing to a high station in his Canadian Government, an in dividual, of whose appoiotinent he knew the Prime Mi nister disapproved, and w.th the still greater offence of Navin, deceived a nobleman at the head of the Queens Government, by an appointment. which excited in the mind e:f the latter riot only regret but surprise. The Prime Minister of the Crown, again addr.!ssing the House of Lords, has explicitly charged Lord Durham with the offence of arrogating to hitnself supreme and independent authority, inasmuch as he aithhcla from the Queen's Go vernment those explanations of the above appointment, and of other acts of his administration, which, as a suborainate ' and dependent agent of that Government, it was his duty to render. If the language of Lord Melbourne in the House of Lords and the irreconcileable language of Lord John Russell in the house of Commons, together w ith that of the whole Ministerial Press, be not evidence of a split, the public must perceive, as we do, that among such Ministers e r a t oce t ns l tAhpejir;i2erneusitespstnteoti Ministers s oar : ye. 1 ,ideci indifferent ttn i ie s i crffome a rriden:ne tt o at r nt a todo l ta i tic it iet t e p ta o oii s ti,ms s ee i pt l n t oh i c l see i s t ri y bot a irs i ty l yt t m l h e t op h fac a toc t i oy a .: operat ion.—Morming Post. The Duchess of Somerset has Issued cards of in vitation for a rural fete, on a splendid scale, at her delightful scat IVimbledon park, on Friday. the 20th inst., at which the Royal Family and the Ambassadors Extraordinary will be present : a number of the juvenile Nobility are also invited. 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LONDON, TUESDAY, JULY 10, 1838 Mr. Byng, the Comptroller of the Household, appeared at the har with the answer of her Majesty to the aidress of the House, agreed to on the Mh of June, praying her Majesty to use• her good offiees with the Government of Spain for the purpose of obtaining an amicable and equitable adju:ttnent of the claims of liritich officers, non-commissioned officers, and privates of the British Legion. Her Majesty assured her faithful Commons that her best exertions should be used for the purpose of carrying their wishes into effect, and that she had directed instructions to be given to the British Am- I,aszador at Madrid to effect that object. MIDDLESEX COUNTY COURTS BILL. Mr. C R AWFO RD moved the further consideration of the Middlesex County Courts Bill. Captain WOOD rose to make the motion of which he had given notice, that this Bill be recommitted. From the return that had been laid on the table, it appeared thift, since 1830, there had been entertained in that Court 30.000 plaints, there had been 9,000 writs of execution, and 1,100 persona had been imprisoned under the jurisdiction of this Court. In addition to all this it was proposed by the present Bill that the law of landlord sad tenant should be entertained in that Court. It might, at first sight, be imagined that the jurisdiction of the Middlesex County Court was raised by this Bill from 403. to 101. ; such was neither the effect nor the intention of the Bill—which was, to preserve the County Court in its present state up to 405., and toVnstitute another Court for suits be tween 40s. and 10/., enabling the Crown to appoint a judge. He ( Mr. Wood) thought this objectionable ; for there should, in his opinion, be one Court and one presiding Judge. He should propose various amendments, to which end he moved the re-committal of the bill. Lord DUNGANNON seconded the motion. Mr. FRE S H FIELD said the Hon. Member for Middlesex (Captain Wood) had himself stated that many thousand cases had been decided in the Middlesex County Court, from which it appeared, as Justice Blackstone had stated, that this Court bad beep of the greatest use in character and reputation.— ( Hear.) The Hon. Member had complained that a separate Court was to be instituted fur the recovery of debts from 40s. to 10/. If it had been the same Court, it would have been objected that new privileges ought not to be conferred upon the Court. He (Mr. Freshfield) considered it much better that there should be a separate Court for suits up to 101. ; and he was greatly surprised when he heard the Member for Middlesex object to a Bill which was calcu lated, he believed, to confer more real benefit upon the people of Middlesex than any Bill which had ever passed regarding that county.—( Hear. ) Was it not an improper state of things, when actions had to be brought in the superior Courts for sums so low as 3/. or 41. ?—(llear, hear.) Was the House aware that in Middlesex there were pecu liar advantages conferred by this Court, and which would bo extended to other Courts ?—that for several days of the week the Court was sitting—that for one week in the month the judge went a circuit, bringing home justice to every man's door, so that causes could be tried at different places at the least possible expense. The objection urged was, that Courts were not presided over by persons of competent knowledge. Here was a Court presided over by a gentleman of twenty years standing, against whose judgment not the slightest doubt was entertained. In answer to the difficulties of his Hon. Friend, he could only say the Act was to continue for one year and one Session afterwards, and therefore if the Government brought in a general measure, that would super sede the Act ; and if not, it would come again under the con sideration of the House ; and if it had not succeeded, it would not be renewed.—( Hear, hear.) Sir B. HALL cordially concurred in everything which had fallen from the Hon. Member who bad just sat down, and he could not see that any reason had been brought forward by the Hon. Member in favour of the recommittal of the Bill. The Committee had been sitting day after day for three weeks, and the Bill had come out in as perfect a form as could be desired.—( Hear.) With regard to the argument adduced by the Hon. and Gallant Member, he ( Sir B. H a ll ) could onli ee say that he was correct in stating, th a t out o f 30,000 cases, 1,152 persons were g w o e o n d t s a . gai T ns h t e th ob e je b c o t d o y f , twhhioilustillthweure tow onlymerreeedy that ls againstgre roo the . Although the Bill was not so good as it might he made, it was most desirable tha. it should be p asse d, an d i f it were found to work well it would lay the groundwork upon which the Go vernment could establish a general measure for the country. ( Hear, hear.) The gallery was then cleared for a division. The [louse divided, when there appeared— For the motion 63 For the amendment 47 Majority —l6 ..... Mr. PRAED supported the Bill. He was satisfied that it would meet with general approval. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the Howe divided, when the numbers were— For the recommitment... Against it Majority The Report was then taken into further consideration. NATIONAL LOAN FUND BILL. Sir B. HALL moved the third reading of the above Rill. After a pause, Mr. P. THOM SON — came running in, and said, I shall object to the Bill being read a third time. The Government has a measure in contemplation to amend the Act of last year, which will govern not only the present one, but all other Bill.; similarly situated.--( Hear. hear.) I hope the House will not give the power to one Company while it does not give it to all. lam perfectly aware that many Companies have refrained from asking for such powers in ex pectation of a general measure, and therefore 1 think it will be improper to give it to one particular Company. Though I am aware that there has been a great canvass in favour of this Bill, still I think it my duty to divide the House upon the question. . _ _ Mr. O'CONNELL considered that nothing could be more uflfair than such opposition. Tue Bill was brought in, and had been postponed on the very same ground, that the Go. ,ernment were going to bring in a general measure. The Government had obtained le tee to briag in such a Bill, but that Bill bad not been brought in at the present moment. Mr. P. THOMSON—It is in the House. Mr. O'CONNELL—Then it must be in the Right H on . Gentleman's pocket—that can be the only way in which it can Lave found its way into the House.—( Laughter.) If this Bill be delayed longer, and the Right Honourable Gen tleman's Bill is not brought in, it w'ont 'have time to get through the Lords.—( Hear, hear.) That this is a right measure, is admitted by the Right Hon. Gentleman, and he says be is actually g oing to make it the general law of the land. If he is going to make it the general law of the land, this Bill will not be necessary. If the Government carry the general Bill, that moment the promoters of this Bill under take to stop in the lends. The Company reqaire nothing but that their credit irs should have the power of suing them. and th it they may have a remedy against each other for defaults corn nitted by one partner—that is all the Bill seeks. Ought that Bi'l to he prevetited from going to the House of Lords, whe e the pirties undertake (and I undertake for them) to st ip the Bill, as soon as it is manifest a Government Bill is likely to pass ? This is the second time we have dis cussed this Bill. Oa the ft rmrr occasion we were promised Government Bill before this Bid went through Committee. That Bit has tint yet been brought before the Ileuse v although the other Bill has arrive.' at its last st.. , re, and under those e , reilinsteme a. I hope the House will allow it to pass. Mr. WA ',LACE said. a clause that had been very much objected to—the non liability elause—wes not in this Bill, as eas gene aily supp std. There had brew very geed reasons stated by the Hun. Member for Dublin iii favour of the Bill ; and, i oteithstandieg he awe d with the Right Hon. Gentle. loan the President of the Board of Trade as t the general Astir; 10:C801:NELL said the measure, yvt he felt hound, under all the c hew-lista:ices, to seine - et the Bill for 11. e tires ea. the Bill passed, execution could at once be issu,d a hen the halm had been eub•tariti die!. was con plete, and if to obtain a remedy which no Ccenpany had hitherto e and he thouelit that was nut' quite right. 'lle Goren. G DEN said this Company was endeavouring to meat had deelered it to be their iiitewion to bring in a gent led Bill up ni the subj ect t; and when tildt Bill etas introdecel, he should b e rea d y t o' give it his b st ration. Lt the ect i'e nothing, nor tesnieools'rs'eu:tddtleibes(Yithrßnej other( kt?:C' niCa P(nlY1:1'Pl)1:1'111gY, f which he knew a nd on that ground he should Mr. PRA ED said the Bill did not give _this Conli""Y an advantage over other Companies, though it did give that Company something not possessed by others, Which was a facility to the members of that Company to sue one anothi r. The whole question lay in a nutshell. An Act had been passed, intended to give such facility—it was found not to have that effect. The Company came, therefore, to that i t o h i e l u p r o a w b e i e r of G e s n u t i l n e g maneae( h M o r t . he p r . ., hlo N " , s i e e: sae gilie ß d igl f s o t r Thomson) e you ought to have it—tillepffaCesesoterndet:l.die.sfoolluo:h.he: to have it. I have a Bill in my pocket giving this power to all Cuinpanies—therefore you shall tint have it." oni p measureani es , afterwa rd sliat i U this B:11 passed, ' po a w n • l t ' r a t g o en u e ll ra C l On the other hand, if the general measure did no t great benefit would in the case of this Company eff e cted. ligoltpngasst, a. Mr. HUM E said he had known several Bills passed giving the same power as this Bill conferred. He hadob jected, indeed, to partial legislation, and had urged th e Go vernment to tiring in a general measure ; b ut was it fair if a the Government would not take that course , to ato 'ost useful Bill ? He thought the proposal that th e Bill should lie stopped in the Lords, if the general Bill were brought forward, a very fair and reasonable one; and he hoped the House would agree to the third reading of the H ear.) early tl in the Right Sir 137 II AL L was quite ready to agree th a t t h e Bill be stopped the other House, if the general measure were shensrsoi,dmu.caednd the The Bill . r l e ta a t t i li b n e g en pe b s r t o p u o g ne h d t ,se in be v e e a r u y Hon. Gentleman asked for a delay of three weeks to bring i n seconda gent rah Bill. Six weeks had paesed —(llear)—and now, at the close of the session almost, the Government opposed the third reading of the Bill.. Was not that a bad ease? Mr. P. THOMSON said, after what had fallen from the lion. Baronet, he must say a word in explanatiote He stated al, the very first that he would give this Bill his opposition, in esenuch as he thought it would be improper for a special Bill of this ki n d, to pass. The House might decide as it pleased, hut he considered himself bound, after what had taken place eith respect to other Companies, to prevent, if poseible, the Passing of this Bill. With respect to the Bill which he had introduced, it was not his fault that it had not been proceeded vi its more rapidly. Sir J. GRAHAM said that it was impossible for any one to be more opposed to partial legislation than himself. But with respect to the present Bill, the period of the session at which they had arrived, required it to receive a favourable consideration. If he had any hope that the Bill of the Hon. Gentleman opposite would pass during the present Session, he Would not vote for the third reading of this Bill ; but, con- SURVEY OE TILE PENINSULA sidering the advaneed period of the Ses,ion, he was convinced it could not pass, and therefore should vote for the third read ing of the nreSent Bill. Mr. FRESH FIE LD said it was the right of a creditor to haw., his execution in any proportion he could against the different members of a Company. If 100 members of a Company paid 10/. each more than their share, each of these 100 members must bring his 100 actions, not against one individual, but against every member of the Company, to recover from that member his particular contribution to this very payment by the individual member. Where the relation of partnership subsisted it required to be dealt with in a (lilf3rent way from actions at common law, and he hoped the Bill to he brought iii by the Hon Member would provide for the difficulties which the present Bill did not provide for, hut iendel to ineretve. Mr. O'CONNE Li, said there was no remedy against part ners but by a bill in equity ; and he appealed to the Honour able Member whether he had the heart to drive an many of his fellow -creatures into a Cow t of Equity.—( Laughter.) If one of the partners died during the proceedings, fresh pro. ceedings should be instituted, and the result was that there was actually no remedy at all. Was that specie; of legisla tion to be continued?—( Hear, bear.) He hoped not, and that the good sense of the House would be evinced by its sup port of the present measure.—( Hear, hear. ) After a few words from Sir E. SUGDEN, Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the House divided, when the numbers were : For the third reading Against it 3B Majority -71 The Bill was then read a third time and passed, amid loud cheering-. ASHBY-DE-LA-ZOUCH SMALL DEBTS BILL. This Bill was read a third time and passed. HARTLEPOOL, DOCK AND RAILWAY. Lord DUNGANNON moved the further consideration of the Report of the Hartlepool Dock and Railway Bill. Mr. CAYLEY could not agree to the motion, and moved,- as an amendment, that the Bill be further considered that day three months. The report was then ordered to be engrossed. Petitions were presented by Sir W. JAMES and another Hon. Member, praying for increased ecclesiastical provision for the inhabitants of Canada ; also against further grants to the College of Maynooth. PROTESTANT DISSENTERS' REGISTRY. Mr. BAINES asked if a report had been received from the Commission which bad been appointed to examine into the validity of a certain reg'stry of Protestant Dissenters ? And whether it would he laid before the House this Session ? Lord J. RUSSELL was understood to answer affirmatively both questions. PENSION COMMITTEE. Captain PECHELL asked when the report of the Pen sions' Committee would be received, and if the evidence would be printed? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCLIEQUER'SVepIy, as far as we understood, wag, that he could not give any decisive ans►cer to either question. CANADA. Sir E. SUGDEN wished to put some questions to the Noble Lord (J. Russell) respecting Canada. The Act passed this session suspended the functions of the Legislative Council and Legislative Assembly, and authorized the Go vernor to appoint a Special Council. By a dispatch pub lished it was stated that twenty-one persons had been poin el for a Special Council, eleven of whom were French Canadians, two others natives, and the remainder of them, he supposed, British subjects ; and a Session was held in which twenty-six laws were passed. Early in May Sir John Colborne dissolved the Council, and by a dispatch of about the same date stated the satisfaction he had experienced from the unanimity and good conduct of the Council, and that he believed their ordinances had been received with the greatest approbation. He wanted to know whether Government bad authorized, by instructions, Lord Durham not simply to appoint an Executive Council, but also to re move the existing Special Council, and to appoint a new Special Council ; and whether the Noble Lord objected to lay on the table of the House the instructions on these subjects, or either of them, with other papers, if necessary. He also wanted to know whether the Noble Lord was aware how many persons, and whom bad been appointed to the two Councils—whe ther they exceeded five in number, and were the same persons! And:the question was, whether the Government had abandoned, and whether it appeared by any instructions to Lord Durham, an intention was expressed in the despatch from Lord Glenelg during the discussions in the House upon the Bill, that he was to have a Convention of the States or Delegates, in order to ascertain the opinions of Upper and Lower Canada. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said he would endeavour to answer the questions put by the Hon. Gentleman to the best of his power. With regard to the Executive Council and the necessity for special instructions, on that point the Governor having the power to appoint for a time such persons to be members of the Executive Council as he should think fit, Lora Durham had made use of that power by summoning to his Council certain persons whose names had appeared. The number of those persons was five, and all of them connected in some way or other with the Government of Lower Canada. With respect to the appointment of the Special Council, Lord Durham had authority given him to appoint a number of per sons, not less than five by his own Act, to form pelt of that Special Council. The papers which were about to be given to the other House of Parliament he should have no objection to produce. The Right Hon. Gentleman made a correct in ference when he said that as Lord Durham had thought it ex pedient to call persons to his Executive Council not connected with the parties in the province, he would probably follow the same principle in the selection of his Special Council. With respect to the further question of the Right Hon. Gen tleman, whether the instructions that had been laid on the table were Abandoned, his answer was, that these instructions remained in the same situation, and there had been no variation or abandonment of them.—( Hear, hear.) Ile was persuaded Lord Durham had used his best discretion in the ••xercise of the authority that had been vested in him. The prin ciples on which Lord Durham had proceeded had met with general concurrence, as expressed in adkesses from various parts of the provinces. Mr. HUME thought it would be much 'fairer for the consi deration of this question if the Right Hon. Gentleman would move for the production of papers. That wou'd give many an opportunity of commenting on wuat had fallen from the Right Hun. Gentleman, because he had made many observations well worthy of consideration, especially when it was recollected the Right Hon. Gentleman and his party had Concurred with Ministers in giving arbitrary power to the Government. Lord J. RUSSELL (in answer to a further question from Sir E. Sugden) said he had no objection to the production of the letter signed by Mr. C. Buller, MORNING SITTINGS. of DUNGANNON as k e d w h e th er it was t h e i ntent i on of the Government to introduce for discussion measures of im- P.,rtanee, similar for instance to the Irish Tithe Bill, at the morhing sittings, because it was next to impossible for Mem bers who had many demands on their time to attend in that [louse. Lord JOHN RUSSELL thought it was perfectly possible fur all Members to attend the HouQe from twelve to four. Mr. LEAbik — ;ished to put a question to the Secretary_ at_ War (Lord llomick ) in regard to c, rtaia survey's of the Peninsula, which told been made at the close of the Peninsular war by Captain Mitchell. These surveys had been made at an expense of 5,0001 t the country. but had never been in any putmc office ; and Colonel Islopier had been refused by Sir C. orge Murray (alto he had been told had possession of the surveys), permission to inspect them ; and it now appeared that these surveys were to be publishzd by private speculation. Was this a correct statement? Lord HOWICK said a!1 the informationhe could give upon the subject was contained in a return already before the House. The surveys had not been made through the War-office, nor had they ever pass..d ti rough that office. Mr. LE A.DE R said, if he could get no information on the subject, he should give an early notice respecting it. Mr. O'CONNE LI, asked if the Chancellor of the Ex chequer could furnish no information respecting this expenditure o 5,000/. of the p tblic mnney ; representing, as he did, the Exchequer of the period when those surve)s were made. Sir HENRY HARDING E believed that the transaction to which this discussion had reference took place some 22 or 23 years ago. He denied that it was not the business of the Secretary of War to look to these matters. Viscount HO WIC K had not refused to g ive all the infor mation he could procure. He had laid Sir Geor g e Murray's s t a tement on the table of the House. He had ref rained F from making any comment in reference to that distinguished offi cer ; but he must say that he thought this transaction had been highly irregular. And lie must say that these maps, paid for at the public expense, ought to have been placed in some pub lic office. After some further observations from Sir HENRY HAR- D/NG E, Lord Howtce, and Mr. Hume, the conversation dropped. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the House should resolve itself into a Committee of Supply, In the Committee the Right Honourable Gentleman moved, amongst others, the following vote. The sum of 14,7001. for making good the extraordinary and immediate expenses incurred under cortain treaties with certain maritime powers, for the purpose of suppressing the traffic in slaves. Mr. HUME wished to know how many vessels had been seiz .d and condemned under the authority of the Courts of mixed Commission, together with the number of the slaves ro captured on board the said vessels. Lord l'A LM E RSTON should have no objection to the production of the information required, if the Hon. Mvinber would only take the trouble to move for it. The vote was agreed to. 107,993/. foe the salaries of our Consuls-General and Vice Consuls in ports abroad. — Mr. HUME obje , :ted to two items of charge under this head : the one, the charge made for chaplains in these con sulates; the other, the charge for the building of chapels and churches there. The grants had in most cases been made to chapels and churches of the Establishment, notwithstanding there was one-fourth, or often more than a fourth, of the resi dent inhabitants of the place of the Presbyterian or of the Catholic persuasion. He certainly thought this estimate might be reduced full 5,0001. on account of chaplains, and 3,50D1. on account of chapels. Lord PALMERSTON said the grants alluded to were based on a more liberal principle, embracing both Presbyterian and Catholic residents. In future it was intended that no ap plication at our consulates for contributions from the public purse should be ametded to, unless the moiety of the esti mated expense were actually not only subscribed, but paid. up in cash. Sir ROBERT PEEL asked if the prohibition against our Consuls being engaged in commercial dealings were intended to be made general. Lord PALMERSTON said the prohibition was not in tended to be general, or to include those consulates where the Consuls were not political agents, as in the eases of our Consuls in North America, and also some of those in the southern estates of that great continent. Where they were mere agents for commerce, it could not be implied that their employmen: ought to disqualify them from being permitted to enter into such commercial engagemeats. • Sir ROBERT PEEL remarked it had been a matter of objection by the three great powers of the north of Europe that this country meditated sending a resi lent consul to the State of Cracow, and wished to know if it were determined by the present Government to send a consul to that place. Lord PALMERSTON replied in the negative. 9.055/. for the salaries and defraying the expenses of the inspectors of facories. _ _ Mr. SL ANEY believed the Act had been most imperfectly carried into operation. The children front nine years 0: age to thirteen were, by the Act, entitled to enjoy certain hours of excmption from labour, in order that they might be at liberty .to obtain a share of education in public schools. The inspec ton were not bound to inquire into the fact whether they re ceived that education or not. Had the Noble Lord prepared any fresh instructions to the inspectors upon this point? Lord JOHN RUSSELL had been assures that a great improvement had taken place as far as respected the appropria tion of the leisure time of the children more strictly to purposes of education. Lord ASHLEY believed there could be no hope enter tained of the strict performance of this important duty unless the number of the Inspectors was increased. Mr. BAINES said their income hardly ever exceeded 3501. a-year. It was not singular, therefore, that a man so circum stanced should attempt to be a pluralist. Mr. BROTH ERTON said the system as it existed under the present law was ineffective, and defeated by fraud and con nivance. Mr. GOULBURN said that to render the duty of their officers effective, frequent travelling through such districts was absolutely necessary, in order to ascertain whether the law was violated. Mr. WALKER strenuously recommended the abolition of the migration agencies altogether. Mr. HINDLE Y concurred in the recommendation. The vote was agreed to. 6,0001. to defray the salaries of Intpctors of Prisons. Agreed to. On the proposal of a vote of 3,7231. to defray the expenses of the several branches of the Mint, a conversation ensued. Mr. LABOUCHERE was happy to have an opportunity of doing justice to the very distinguished artist to whom the execution of the Coronation medal had been entrusted. Of the abilities of that aentleman the medal executed by him on the occasion of the Coronation of George IV., was a sufficient proof. Though he admitted that the medal for the present Coronation had not been executed in such a manner as the high reputation of Signor Pistrucci would have led them to expect, he was glad to have the opportunity of stating that he believed the deficiency to have been occasioned by an accident which had occurred to him within the last two weeks, and the effects of which had been an almost total deprivation of sight. He himself knew that Signor Pistrucci felt most deeply the deficiency, for that gentleman had written to him to say that he felt that the work was not such as it ought to have been. Mr. HUME thought it a great pity that the medals had not been put into the pot again. —( A laugh.) He himself had got one of those which were being sold about the streets for a penny, and he declared that part of the reverse was better than the coronation medal The lion's head on that medal was most disgraceful—( A laugh)—it was melancholy to think that the heads of the office should have allowed such a thing to issue. He now begged to ask why the mint could not issue silver pieces to the value of 2d. or 3d. ? They would be very convenient to the public. Mr. LABOUCHERE did not think that there would arise any convenience to the public from the issue of silver coins below the value of 4d. With respect to the Coronation medals, he thought that Isis Hon. Friend had borne rather hard on the artist. He wished to mention a circumstance very creditable to that gentleman, namely, that the amount expended on the medal executed for the Coronation of George I V. had been re paid to the public by the sale of that medal. Mr. WARBURTON suggested that perhaps if the Com mittee of a former year on the mint had been re-appointed, they would not now have to make this complaint. Mr. LABOUCHERE had been anxious to renew-the in quiry, but had not done so because of the illness of one of the principal officers of the mint, whose suggestions would have been of the greatest value for the report. Mr. SLANE Y suggested the propriety of issuing a smaller gold coin than the half-sovereign ; for instance to the value of 5s or 6s. Bd. The vote was then agreed to. The next, of 83,2201. for retired allowances and compensa tions, being put, Cl • Mr. FIUME protested against the superannuation system. an officer in the public service ought to be paid an ainp_l salary, and oualit to insure his life. • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the Right Hon. Gentleman had forgotten what had been already done in that way, especially by the system of making parties contribute to a fund for their own superannuation. The vote was agreed to, as was also a vote of 1,850/. for the National Vaccine Establishment. The vote of 3,0001. for the Refuge for the Destitute having been proposed, Mr. HUME asked how man; inmates there were in that t:stitutinn ? Mr. CHARLES LUSHINGTON Faid that the number of persons annually admitt.d was 200. Mr. HUME asked what was the amount of private sub scriptions ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said 2,0001. Mr. C. LUSHINGTON begged 0 correct the Chancellor of the Exchequer; the best account of voluntary contributions was 342/. Mr. HUME said that that circumstance showed how like this institution w:is to some of the I►ish cha►ities for which grants used to he made. It was, in fact, cnti►ely a public charity, the cost of it being 5,000/ yearly, and of that sum only 3421. was afforded by private subscription. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the Society had private property, stock, and legacies, which made the private annual fund 2,0001. Mr. HUME Objected s►rongly to the practice of receiving hardened offenders into the institution. Mr. PEASE said that the records of the establishment fully showed what had been the good which it had accotn plished. _ _ . Mr. HUME thought that they ought to reduce the vote to the amount of the private subscription, lie would propose to give 2,000/. this year, with the understanding that next year the sum should he 3421. Dr. LUS INGTON said that when this establishment had been fir s t formed the persons sent to it were selected, not by the Committee, but by the Magistrates. Theie had hoer' lost to the institution within the last year no less than 'l,ol'ol, in consequence of the statute of mortmain, the testators being ignorant, that it they charged their bequests on their mixed real and pers,mal estate the bequests became void. If the pro. posed grant w, re not made the persons who would otherwise be supported by the institution must become a charge to the public, and perhaps plunderers of the town to the inhnit in jury of the morality of the rople. The vote was agreed to. The next vo.e of 3 0731. for the expense of maintaiaing criminal lun itics, was azreed to. On the Tile of 4,sool,f,rTrotestant d;ssenting Ministers, French refugees, &c., ►Mr. GIBBON wished to know whether the Prot•s:ant Dissenters had not remonstrated against that part of this vote which concerned them, as an inn ingement of the voluntary principle; and if so, why it wai suffered to rem.iin in the estimate. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that many of the Protestant Dissenters certainly did object to the grant, but as the recipients themselves did dot feel it inconsis tent with the voluntary principle he did not cor.ceive that he would be justified in withholding it. Mr. HINDLEY thought honest and coimientious Di.;. settlers would not receive this money ; and he would p , opo3e that the amount-1,6951. should be deluctecl from the vote. Mr. BAINES said the grant had been originally a gift from George L, out of his pr►vate funds, to the Dissenters, to whom he considered himself under great obligations, and upon an alteration bein , made in the Civil List, the grant was transferred to the Treasury. Under these circumstances the trustees did not feel it a violation of the voluntary principle to receive that which had originally been a voluntary gift from a Sovereign. He confessed he did not think the justification sufficient ; but thought that when the grant was transferred to the State, the trustees would have done better to decline re. ceiving it. He knew also that there was a very general objec tion to it amongst the Protestant Dissenters, and if the ques tion went to a division he should vote for the discontinuance of the grant. If the 1,6001. were excluded from the vote, the objects of the benevolence would be no sufferers, because be. fore a month was over the amount would be made up to them by voluntary contributions. Mr. HUM disapproved of the vote, and if his Hon. Friend the Member for Ashton, did not take the sense of the House for its reduction, he (Mr II.) should do so. Mr. WALLACE said the Dissenter s of Scotland had no wish to receive a shilling of the public money. After some conversation the Committee divided, and the numbers were:— For the grant For the amendment Majority The next vote was 35,9001. for secret service money. Mr. WIL L I A MS shoUld mote that it be reduced to 20,000/. Mr. WALLACE thought there ought to be no secret ser vice money at all in a free country. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the distribution of this money did not take place without groat - responsibility, for it was administered under the oaths of the Secretary and Under-Secretary of State. In 1828 the amount of the recent service money was 52,0001, but it had been gra dually reduced to the present vote of 35,900/. With regatd to any portion of it being expended for election purposes, it was impossible, and could not be done without the committal of perjury of the foulest kind. In fact, the secret service money expended at home did not exceed the sum of 500/. Mr. HUME said the question was whether any secret ser vice money was required at the present time, and if any money was expended in this way the objects for which it was so ex pended should be made known to the public. He thought the term was only a cloak for improper proceedings.. He could not vote with his Hon. Friend (Mr. Williams) fur a reduction in the amount of the g ant, but was prepared to vote against any grant on this head w hatever. After a few words from .M. P. HOWA R Comm'ttee divided, when there appea....ed— For the am ‘ndment Against it Majority in favour ... of the vote —9B Which was then agreed to. 0.1 the question that 197,7961. be granted to &nay the ex pense of staionary for the several departments of the Govern ment, and for printing for the two Houses of Parliament, Mr. NV. S. O'BRIEN suggested to the Chancellor of the Exchequer that a considerable aving on this head might be of cted by considering the inform ttion necessary to be given in many of the parliamentary papers and returns. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, the principle of condensation was effected as much as possible, but there were limits, beyond which it could not be carried. Mr. WALLACE was of opinion that returns ought to be submitted to an officer, in order that they might be abrevi ate(' and made intelligible to Honourable Members, and that officer ougl,t to be responsible to the Home far the due per fo:anance of his duty. After a few words from Sir ROBERT INGLIS, Mr. HUME said the present estimate was 50 per cent. less than under the old system. He wished that a similar p..ine pie was applied to the printing of Acts of Parliament. which at present cost 300 per cent. more than they would do if the present monopoly of printing with respect to them did not exist. Sir E. SUGDEN objected to having results and not facts, which he desired on Parliamentary Papers, and returns were facts, in order that he might draw his own results. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ag reed with the Right Hon. Gentleman that it was desirable Hon. Members should read the Bills rather than the breviates ; but still breviates were good things, becaus e man y H on . M em b er s read them, when else they would have read nothing at all.-- (.Laughter. ) Mr. HUME saw a credit of 4,000/. on this estimate on account of Parliamentary papers sold. Now any person un der the new regulation could buy the papers printed by or der of the House of Commons, but not so the papers of the H o use of Lords ; he was of opinion they ought both to be accessible to the public. The CHANCELLOR' f the EXCHEQUER agreed in opinion with the Hon. Member for Kilkenny ; he would men tion the circumstance in the proper quarter; the papers [minted by both Houses ought, undoubtedly, to be alike accessible to the public. Mr. LUCAS suggested that Parliamentary Papers ought to be allowed to be sent postage free. Several Hon. Members were of opinion that Acts of Far- Lament ought to he more freely circulated, in order that the people at large might know what the laws were. Sir EDWARD SUGDEN suggested to the Chancellor of the Exchequer the propriety of hot embarking in the sale of the papers of the House of Lords, until it was determined that the House of Commons had a right to sell its own papers. Mr. O'CONNELL deprecated the language of the Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman, coming, as it did from so high a legal authority. Sir EDWARD SUGDEN had expressed no opinion on the subject, although he had one. The question was sub judect, and therefore all he hal done was to suggest delay. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL contended that the House of Commons had the privilege of publishing its own papers; on that subject he had never entertained any doubt ; but it was a different thing to say that they should republish the papers of the House of Lords which could alone be done by the autho rity of their Lordships. At the same time he wished their Lordships would fol Low the example set them by the House of Commons in this respect. Colonel SIBTHORP complained that so large a sum s$ 4,0001. should be charged for stationery for the Poor Las Commissioners. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said what ever opinion the gallant officer, or others, might entertain of 'he Poor Law Commission, this, he thought, would be admit ted by all, that the proceedings of the Commissioners should Le made as public as possible, which could not be done with (ut incurring considerable expense tinder the heads of sta tionery and printing. If the proceedings of the Commis, sioners were correct, the expense was as nothing ; but, if LIP correct, they were before the world, and immediate attention would be drawn to them. The vote was then agreed to. On the question that 13,0001. be granted to defray the ex pense of law charges, Mr. HUME begged to ask, seeing 1,000/. fixed as the ad ditional salary of the Parliamentary Counsel to the Treasury, who it was that enjoyed that office and salary ? The CHANCELLORof the EXCHEQUER—The gen tleman filling that office was Mr. William Harrison, well. known to many Hon. Members of that House. Mr. AGLIONBY wished that, instead of there being $ Parliamentary Counsel to the Treasury, there should be $ Parliamentary Commission appointed to decide upon all Bills to be submitted to Parliament. Mr. WARBURTON asked whether this estimate contained the expense of all law work d one f o r th e T reasury? The CHANCELLOR rec o d f to th . e E XCHEQUER replied ill ffici s then a TA r v im o z e tiv w e a . The next item was, that a sum of 46,6931. be granted to her Majesty, to defray the charge of the convict establishinentn on board the hulks. Mr. PEASE thought that no convicts should be sent on board the hulks, unless there was a reasonable prospect of their being shipped off to the penal settlements ; and Ins con. tended that the present system was fraught with the greatest evils. The vote was agreed to. The next sum proposed was 235,000/. to defray the charge of maiteaining convicts in New South Wales and Var Die' men's Land. Next 20,000/. to defray the expense of captured negroci liberated in Africa. Agreed to. The next vote was 5,000/. for cleaning, binding, and se' pairing the public records. After a little conversation the vote was agreed to. 20,000/. for the erection of school houses, was agreed 1 0 after a few words from Mr. W Y S F., who deprecated the grant as one of a very contemptibly small character. T% • nsxt vote of 10,000/. for school-houses in Scctland was agreed to, after a short convvrsation. The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and the House resumed. O r. u)elNcrt, Lord nhw U nea A A ut i It L Nzsbß l iGe l ArITeRCNaiTdANo'oaroRNINO thirdmNho poi ineonid F sgee ti.stlh N ehe i cia. E tott. nh Ni dai niare ß yddd E ll stet, i ß hoaxdve S ei nii: B ouatt,so l ti ot . L ha unstLh.:i. amend' Bill. en The House divided. The numbers were For .h • third reading Against it Majority ....................... —49 Oil the question hieing put that this Bill do pass, Colonel SIB•I'HOIZI, sail he was d eter mined to oppose it as long as Imp )3sibly could, and he therefore moved f ur alt aljournmea' of the House. The gallery was then cleared for a division, and the nun:- hers were_... For the adjournment... Against it N aga t i h n e s n t t c l o te n s u e d , j i t o e u d r ti t t o t t p e 1,14t.p th3e7rasg, - 51 ore Mr. WA Rl N l i li ai L" r T it O Y in ! of the Bill until Wednesday next. The soLICI roR.G ENE it AL obtained leave to bring in a Bill to provide for the custody of public records. The other Ordcrs_of the Day were disposed of, and the House adjourned at a quarter past one o'clock until twelve o'clock this day. I li HOUSE OF LORDS , JULY 9. the House met at Pour o'clock, when Lord Lismorn was introduced by Lords Howard de Walden and Gltnelg, when lie took the oaths and his seat, upon his elevation to the lititish Peerage. The LORD CHANCELLOR resumed his seat on the Woolsack at Five o'clock. The Duke of CLEVELAND presented numerces peti tions from the county of Durham and the Noith Riding ot the county of York, praying for the immediate aboliti in of the apprenticcship in tivo West Indic!. . THE UNIVERSITIES. d the Noble Marq u i s . t h e Ch ancellors of the The Earl of RADNOR v .i s l te d to ask a question of the Noble Duke an Utii:erities of Oxford and Carxbiidge, and be hoped that he 'Llight be allowed t o p rem i se i t w i th a few observations. ast year the House was led to believe that the Universities were intending to make areEt alterations in their statutes—the Colleges had done nothing, and the Uni versity in Convoca•iun had done somethirg that actually amounted to nothing. After stating that ire had been de ceived, he begged t.e ask the two heads of the Universities what had been done to carry out the promistrs of last yelr ? The Duke of WELLINGTON complained that tho Noble Earl had not correctly quoted the dismission of last year. The House last Session threw out the Bill proposed by the Noble Earl, and then he had stated that tlie work of revising the statutes of the University was already in operation. The Noble Earl had not only asked a question, but bad answered it himself, and to comment upon what lad been done by the University of Oxford. The Noble Earl had not only commented upon what had been done with his usual AC zumen, but he had been prompted by the Noble Baron, the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster. Now, he thought the Universities were entitled to look for encouragement and support fro m her Majesty's Ministers against any such question as had been put—( He ar . hew., hear)_..i . o place of -one of them assisting enemies. He thought the Noble Eart had answered his own and prompting one of' their question, but he bad no objection to say that the University of Oxford commenced to review the Statutes, but he refused to give any other answer. He called upon the Hc.uso to allow the heads of the University of their own S tatutes, and %, to go on in the consideration the H ouse did not approve of th e c h anges they it : id made, then to they h a d finaltv done so, if would be the time for ih e i r Lordships' interference,—( Cheers.) rq but in a tone of voice The Marquis CA MDEN then addressed their Lordships. audible tit thee gallery. which rendered what, he said nearly in to say th a t The Noble Marc,ui s was un d erstoo d th revision of the statutes of the University of Cambridge was commenced after the discussion of last session, and that considerable progress had been made in the task ; lug tFat some difficulties were naturally to be expected in the in vestigation which retarded it. The Bishop of LONDON said in consequence of the con fusion which prevailed in the House be could hear but little of what the Noble Marquis had stated. As regarded one of the Colleges at Cambridge, he (the Bishop of London) was hinttolf aware that the investigation had made some considerable.% pro gress, with a view to the revision of its statutes. • M,