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IRELAND. Dints, Mit 9.--The rioters who have assumed. the name of Thrashets have lately recommenced their meetings, and committed some arts di violence' in the county of Roscommon. On Friday night, last they held a meeting near the residence of Sir Edward Crofton, who, on being apprised of the cireumitanee, lost no time m preparing to endeavour to bring . the offenders to justice. Though labour ing under some personal intirtnit, Sir Edward put himself at the head of his servants and tenants, and about eleven at night came up with. a jarge body of Thrashers at the ford of Kiliouni, who, ,on per ceiving his approach, tivide 'dispositions for giving resistance. A conflift took place, in which three of these deluded,wretches lost their lives,. and seven were taken prisoneis. The remainder tied in such consternation that it is hoped they feel the danger of desist from ..,the. courses they were purring, ‘.7.:. any aitempt to renew them. lastitatot, MAY 7.—Yesterday morning, the hour of one o'clock, sonic villains, supposed seven in number, armed with blunderbusses and pistots,, went to the house of Mr. Patrick Hogan, sen. on the lands of 'Cahir, in this cou,''l, and breaking onen the door, two of the felloWs . went to the bed o' James Hogan, his sou, whom they struck with the butt-end ola pistol ; they then forced open some drawers in the room, and took thereout .. guineas in Limerick notes, and 14 guineas and . a halt in other bank-notes, besides wearing apparel, spirits, &c. The above James Hogan, and PattVli, his. brother, assisted by John Welsh, of Fedamore, pursued two of the ging, and were so fortunate as to trace them towards this town, near the gate of Ed mond Morony, Esq. at Ballyclogh, one of the High ,Sheriff+ of this city, where they secured them about 4 o'clock, notwithstanding their being well armed. PO LIC.E. nowilTneeT.---A charge of robbery has been for several days under the investigation of Mr.,READ and Mr. GRAHAM, of an extraordinary nature. On Saturday evening, Mr. M‘Rae, a baker, of Peter street, Westminster, attended before Mr. GRAHAM, and stated that he had beett l robbed by three men, on Westminster-bridge, of his pocket-book, Con taining 1301. and he knew where to find one of the robbers. The Magistrate diretted Humphries to at tend Mr. Willie ; which he accordingly did, and 'went early on Sunday morning to Deptford; and took into custody Mr. .111‘Donald, a baker, of that place. Mr. M'Donald very readily went with him he was kept in custody at the Brown Bear public house till Monday, when he underwent an exami nation before Mr. B.aso. Mr. M(.Rae, the Prosecutor, stated, that the time lie had been robbed was as long since as the first day of February, at eleven o'clock at slight; he was re turning trim the city, and was met on the bridge foot by three men), they appored to be disguised iu soldiers great Coats, with large slouched hats over, their laces; they stopped him ; two of them held his urn's, while the third thrust his hand into his inside coat-pocket, -took out his pocket-book, con taining money to tbe above amount, and ran otf with it ; toe two others followed, and they all made their escape, be called " watch," but none came to hisitssistance ; he had complained since, and got the watchman discharged, who ought to have been upon *the spot. He was positive the Prisoner was the matt o he took his pocket-book ; assigning, as ,a rea son, as he termed it, he knew his physog (mean ing his face) so well, having been acquainted with him for many years. ' The Magistrate thought it a strange circumstance that he should know the Prisoner so well, and where to find him, aiid should have delayed hiving him apprehended for such a length of time. The ex pt.sna.ion be gave of his conduct in this respell was, that the Prisoner owed him a sum of money, and he. 'wished to get that paid before he apprehended him, or he should lose his debt, and that he had, a few days previous, procured the balance of their ac sow' s, amounting to 61. after which he sent the Prisoner a note, desiring him to come to him, re. speaing the draw (robbery.) he made on him on the' Ist day of February. The Prisoner au - Saturday morning called upon the Prosecutor and, requested an explanation to his note, when a violent alterca tion ensued, and there was so much violence used by both, that a crowd was brought about them. After this the Prisoner went to an Attorney to. consult him about bringing an adion against the Prosecutor for defamation. _ _ • Mr., KNAPP attended for the Prisoner, as did a number of his friends, with a view. to prove an alibi,' and to bail, but the Provecutor positively objected to those who offered bail, and lie persisting in his charge, the Magistrate was obliged to 'detain the Prisoner. Unquestionable bail, however, having been, produced on Wednesday evening, he was li berated. MAllt,aortouon-sTrtmr.---Yesterday Thomas A ride was charged by Mr: Wheatley, a bootraaker, L;harles.-street, Middle Sex. Hoipital, with taking , from his 'biota string of shoes. The Prisoner was. seen to commit this robbery by a youth wbo.gave an alarm, and was secured / He was fully committed for trial. The wife of a soldier in the Guards has been ex amined at this Office on ,suspicion of her having . left An intent at the door of the Marquis. of Bucking. barn, in Pall Mall, on Monday evening. Tbe wo man, it appeared, found . the infant. at. the &Or of the Marquis, and gave an alarm; bilt there was no ground to suspect that she was the mother, and site was consequently discharged. Pearce; the man convi6ted of an attempt to corn , wit an abominable oll'enco, stood for the second time, yesterda), in the pillory at Charivcross. A great crowd was collaL•te_d, And the culprit was se verely pelted with mad, rotten eggq, SHIP NEU'S. GRAY ISZNP, MAY 11. Pa,ssed by —I he diary, Hunt, George, Richard. sun, amigo*, Hnderson, and Hannibal, Phillips, from Wa . 1-10 ; Laartony, from Linicr.ek ; Renown, Tib. ball, front C"ork ; Blessing, Richardson, and Hambletoolan, will, trona Guernsey • fringe ian, Caphni, and Lady Ty mermen, Gray, from St . Michaea ; Good Intent, Stall ing, ;rum Demerara; and the Rositia, —, front the South Lt NDON : Printed by RI enAR )(Rl*. of No. 4. Martlett:court. Bow-street At the Suu-Urvto w No. tie, Strand where Ave? tuements, Orders TO TIIEED.I7'OR 0 TII.B SUN, M R. EDITOR, I was somewhat surpris6d on my return to town a few days since; to fuel that the Catholic Body of • this City had deemed it expedient to leave a paper, purporting to express the opinions , ot several Noble men and Gentlemen on the subjea of emancipation, in some blow.. public News ItOtns. Still more sur prised was I to find that, not content with permit ting this paper to lie silently in the morn, to be signed only by those who telt disposed to do so ; not content, I say, with permitting Oentletnen to exercise their own unbiased opinion on the subject, every person was applied to and solicitod to add their signature to the declaration. Many serious obje'e. tions to this mode of proceedits presented them selVes to my mind, and I wondered they had not ape peared sufficiently, poWerful to the instigators of thismeasere, to induce them totally to abandon bin, in the pursuit of a favourite object, we are apt to cohunit improprieties, aiid in the bustle of activi ly we sometimes forget the dictates of wisdom and discretion how many are the Motives which may a ee emetic to obtain signatures to this declaration ) our patrons, the desire of 'lhm fr i ar of th ec ie" - „!!'" 4 pleasing our friends, both ,:nufate us to a compli bold to assert, ance with the requisition. I. ail !?e that the majority of persons signing this p4 l 4s* have been influenced more by reasons of a pre:ate natue7, than by •att opinion of the efficacy of this wished fie' emancipation. I, amongst others, was applieel to for, my signature ; I declined complying with the request, but I did it silently ; I did not with to in s H volve myself in a contro% ersy, where to produce conviction was more than itnprobable; where to avoid giving displeasure,. and to create unpleasant disputes was next to impossible. Ilut metliought I could have addressed the applicant to nearly the following effete s---" The question' on which yoU are desirous I should express so decided an opinion is one which must, on all sides, be allowed to be of very considerable importance, and one on which we find. the ablest men, the Most en lightened and pious charatters," have entertained opinions decidedly opposite, I must naturally feel diffident on such asubjea to express an opinion without mature deliberation. Your •body have unanimously thought' fit to lay their claims before the IMperial Parliament, and I should feel dispoied silently to await their decision ; but, since you have pressed me on the subjea, I feel it incumbent .to declare that my opinion is unfavourable to further concession .to that body of which you are atueruber.' I would ask, whether you demand these conces- • trions as a right, or whether you are disposed to ac cept them as a gratuity 1.. 1 consider that, in point of right, your claims are totally groundless and un founded. We find that your body has ever been inimical to the established Government ; that rebel lion has followed rebellion in such qui& succession, that Memory , can scarcely retain then number. h not every page of your History dyed with the blood Of yoer Protestant Countrymen I Does not every page recount softie effort by which you hoped to • overtheow the .establisharent both in Church and Slite ? And do we not knew that it the Govern ment still exists, it is because its supporters have been more courageous, mare powerful, or better dis ciptined than yourselves ? How, then, can you come and demand from this Govcrumem, as a mat ter of right, to admit you to a lull patticipatton of the power and influence of the Slate ? "I winnow consider the question in another point of view.-. We are all but too well acquainted With the melaticholy situattou of this Country—laid waste by internal discord, convulsed by civil 'feuds, we every day hear of aets of savage ferocity ; frequency has alinast reconciled us to the mention of robbery, rape, and murder ; we hear of acts df almost unpa ralleled atrocity withiaut astonishment ;—things., %Olen familiar, cease to surprise :—we find that a people naturally brave, generous, and humane, have abandoned themselves to every species of iniquity, and who, to use the words of a learned Judge, seem to have 'the ditipcisition of wolves. In discover the cause of this disquiet, and to apply some healing remedy thereto, should without doubt, be the most anxious care of those who have taken.. upon themselves the direction ()four GovernMent. It behoves them to use every endeavour to calm this poe . pular phrenzy, to quiet the minded the deluded pea santry, and restore order and peace to a country fur which " Goo has done so leech and Mae so little." Among a variety of plans likely to produce i results se truly beneficial, t has been asserted that complete Catholic Emancipation is the most likely , to have that effeet. It is here I will consider the expediency of • that measure, as connected merely With this itippoied etiedt, and not as a matter which the Catholics demand as a right. We find that en the accession of his present Majesty the Ca tholics laboured under a great variety of penal sta tutes ; we, find that the present reign has been a period of almost unceasing concession ; we find the Catholics coming forward at,'different times with fresh demands, which have been almoit invariably' granted, and at which they have expressed theme' selves satisfied, and yet what areas have we foond to teselt from this system of conciliation and con cession ? Why, we have found that it was during', this very reign that the most general disaffettion has prevailed,, that the most powerful rebellion was concerted and carried into effeet through9ut the kingdom. It was during this reign that a rebellion raged, in which, generally speaking, every Catholic was concerned. And what is now the situation of a Catholic ? Frans what benefits is'he excluded, or what hardships does he labour under I Why truly he cannot sit on the Beneh and he cannot be ad mitted into Pal-Hammel and 'willany one seriously maintain that this exclusion: of the. Catholics is. the ' cause of the calamities under which this Country new labours ?" Such, Mr. Editor, are the arguments 1 would have used, but for the reasons 1 have taatett--42you think them worthy a place in your.l4apera.theinser tion of them will oblige • it . A MoDEIiATE MOT. On Tuesday morning, about eleven •o'driek, Mrs. Taylor, of Manchester, was. passing , along Cheapside, near the end of Bow-lane, she washus tied and. robbed of her pocket-book, containing tvs . and bills to the amount'of wSt 1. 'II LAW REPOT, COURT OF KING'D ttENCti, THE KING V. 108 N GOANGER, 2" Q. This was an indidment for an assault, tried at the last Assizes for York, when the Defendant was foUnd guilty. He was this day brought up to receive the Judgmebt of the gotta, and his affidavits in' miti.atioic read by the Crown O ffi cer. It ap peared that the Defendant, a Merchant of consi derable etninence At Leeds, took an alive part M the canvass for Lord Milton, at the late me morable eleetion for Yorkshire. The Prosecutor, Mr. John Skelton, was a friend of Mr. Lascelles; and an Attorney of reFpetaability. The evening , preceding the day of notnination, Mr. Granger having been out canvassing .the County, was re turning with some friends to York, and as be passed a house' where the Prosecutor was, he exclaimed, " Milton for ever !!' Mr. Skelton, and some friends' in the nitereSt'Of Mr. Lascelles, exclaimed " No Javobins! No Burdetts and Despards!" adding smite other opprobrious epithets as applicable to the De fendant. Some .time. after, Mr. Granger met Mr. Skelton, and demanded why he had called him a Jacobin ? Mr. S. replied, he had culled him so, be cause he believed him to be one,--he added some further irritating expressions, anti Mr 4 Granger spit in his face. 'This was the assault complained of,' and the breach of the peace the Defendant had been coti7iiied Lord ELI:UNBOROUGH asked the Counsel for the prosecution, - whz”her Mr. Skelton admitted his, having called the Defenttint a -Jacobin, which, his Lordship laid, was a very reproachful term in the way it was now understood, and the l!uplication of it , to a good and • loyal subjed was likely % to pcothiFe much irritation. , _ Mr. TOPIIANI replied, that he was not instruded one way or the other, and begged permission to an swer the Defendant's affidavit in that particular. Lord ELLEN/WIWI/Gil said, he supposed the Pro secutor'did nut wish to keep the Defendant in ens• tody, or require him to come up again upon'such nit affair. Mr. TOPII AM replied, that the assault was com mitted in the market-place', and was extremely pain ful to the Prosecutor's feelings, and degrading to his character. Lord ELLENBOROUGIi then told the Defendant to attend when called upon, and Mr Granger with drew. - With the above exception, nothing of public in terest occurred, and the Court rose at an early hour. At two o'clock Lord ELLM3OROUGH went into the. City, to boa the first Sittings in Term for London. THURSDAY, MAY 12. KING V. RICEIAItD WATSOK. This was a criminal information for a libelaginst General Gwynn, of which the Defendant had been found guilty. He was-a Colonel in the Army, and had been conviCled by a Court-Martial, of which that General was the President, of tippling with his infe rior officers.. The situation to-Which General.Gwynn was appointed had exposed him to the malignity of the accused. Lord ELLENDOROUGH read the report of the trial at Saw, much of which will not have escaped the recollection of our readers. The last letter, signed at Shock Sam," was most offensive : it was as fol lows : " I see by the Papers yOu attended at the Chapel Royal, and received the Sacrament. How dare you fly iu the face of your Creator, after the many villainous ads you have barn guilty nt on this side the grave ? Take courage and blow your brains gut, it you have any, and rid the world of a villain and it tiCu u nurel.• " Send the woman at the Three Tuns, Croydon, some money for the _support of her daughter you got with. and pay off the scare of gin you owe her Jon (Signed) " _SHOCK SAM." Subsequently the Defendant met the General with a brother Officer riding through Bond-street, when' he insulted the General, and threatened to post him. Atter Mi M o tuaYAT had been beard in mitiga tion or punishment, and Mr..Gmatow and Mr. Jr- KY kr, for the prosecution, the Defendant was com mitted to the King's Bench, to be, brought up again on Monday sennight, to receive the judguent of the Court. • HALBERT V. 1118 LAND. We mentioned this cause on Monday. It was an %teflon for a breach of promise of marriage, in which a verdict had been found for' the Plaintiff to the amount of 8091. On the ground of excessive.da mages, Mr. PITCAIRN had obtained a rule to chew cause, why there should not he a new trial. After Mr. RAtN a had been heard, against the Rule, and Mr. JERV/S in support of it, the Rule was discharged, but without cost. The remainder of the morning was occupied in the further hearing of the caus6 of Brown v. Cum ming. COURT OF EXCHEQUER, MAT tr. atFORI Silt A. siAcDoNALD AND A SPLCIAL THE KING V. KARIM. The SOLICITOIt..GUNERAL stated to the Jury that the Defendant in this cause was an attorney, resid ing at Louth, in Lincolnshire, who, under various pretexts, had induced Mr. Simpson, a returner of King's money, to advance him a sum - itif 'about ii,nool„ Not being . able. to procure there-pay' - ment, ,an extent was issued against the Defendant, under which the Sheriff of Lincolnshire had taken possession of his property. The debt was'admitted, but this honest attorney, in return for Mr. Sis kind ness to him, now endeavoured, by this honest Ma nceuvre, to' do away the debt altogether, for that was in etTha .to be the ()Wed of the present at tempt. Marris pleaded, that, if any debt were due, it was due to Messrs. J. Simpson and Co. and not to Mr. Simpson. Thelad Sir T. "PLUMER further stated to be, that Mr. S. advanced this money by giving Mania a credit, upon his firm in London, who accepted his drafts, but that the house regularly charged. Mr. S:'s private account for the same, and that in faet there was not even an account open fur - "Marr'S Before an extent in aid coul,i be istsnO, it wras n cesiary that Mr. S. should make an affida.; vin of ti.e fad to whom this money way 'really . due, which Mr. S. swore was ;16:Wally advanced by himself, mud that J. Simpson and Co; Were Merely . his agents in the business. The Defendmit had sub 7 permied Mr. Fkrnitig, the partner of Mr. S. who‘e ' ' • . _ I. it puhlighed by W I t.i.k at Alt m toga S pp', or South Mnit...vuttrect, Grosvenor-square; t r the Paper, I etteris for the Mitur, Scc.(pashitaid, mud be adtireSied. Counsel uot themselves of their tight to ob . jea to his being examined, he satisfied the Jury, • in a very short time, by a clear and convincing state ment of the real fads, that .'the case, as stated by ibC`SOLII,CITOR GRKERAL, was perfctily cerrea, and that there was no pretence for saying 'that, it WaS st joint and not a separate advance el-tVIt. Simpson's, property: The Defendant's Counsel then endea voured to weaken the etfeel ,of thus evidence,' but in vain ; and Mr. HOLROYD, • in a speech of great ingenuity, endeavoured to impress upon the Jury the great hardship Marris's creditors would suffer if Mr. S. were allowed to sweep All his etietits in the way contended for. His Lordship, in summing up• with. his usual abil lity, stated, that although the King's name was used in this process, the King, in fitht, had nothing to do with it, other than to secure the public money foi the public good; that as receiver of the public Money, Mr. e S: was liable to certain strong measure' necessary for its security, and that in return he was entitled to the advanthge of the prerogative procest for the recovery of it. That when the observation was made 'by Mr I HoLaoYD or the hardship it would be to Marris s other creditors, he could not help turning a few pages back in his note book, : and to tell the Jury that there was no pretence fo r . the observation, it -being no longer a question between assignees and Mr. S. but with Marris himself: that question, he said, had been determined, in a case few days before,' when a most fraudulent and dis graceful attempt had' been made, on the part of the Lincolnshire lawyer, to 'trum p • up a commission of bankruptcy with a little butcher, panned Tharratt, in order to support that proceeding; but •as that would not bear the light, and tia had - been com pletely bloWn up, he should lout that quite out or their consideration. The only question was, wile - . titer this was a private or a joint debt ; and if they. bet red the evidence of the witness, and that con firmed by the books, which he confessed had carried the fullest convrdiJn to his mind, bethought they could have no doubt. . The Jury instantly give a verdia in 'favour of this Extenter. BIR rtis Lately, at his house In Devonsbire.place, the Li cly of jantrs Campbell, Esq. ol• a Son. Un Monday last, at Portsmouth, the Lady of Thomas. Motley. Esq. of a DAughter. On Wednesday afternoon, Mrs. Bell, of Russell-squate, of a Davghter. Yesterday sennight, the Lady of Hezekiali Wyche, E 54. Mayor of S4lisbury, of a Son. A few days a,;o, at Glasgow, Mrs. Major Erskine, of the On Regiment, of a Daugmer.. • MARK/AD On Tuesday morning. at l'ortsmouth, Mr. Fink, to Mit% Pickling. • Yesterday, at Tottenham, Mr. George Field, jtin.'of Wai• brook, to Elizabeth, elitst daughter of Abraham Magus Rutherford, EN. of Stamford-Hill. The same day. at Hackney Church, M i r. Ebenezer Taylor. of Reilcross.stteet. to Miss Mary Howard, of Thenford, in ltierthamptonshire. Yesterday, at St. George's, Hanover-square, Rich rd d Alto nutty, Esq. of 01d Windsor LO4!, to Miss halter, dtth" *r of Richard Barker, Esq. of G o:den-square. „, A few months ago, in the F..sr Indies. C•org , e Esq. son of Mrs. Sati,.:ns, to Miss Funhill, daughter c 4. 1 046 ' FonhilL , , DI1113: ' ' • (In Friday last, Mrs. Skiarow, In India, in November last,..Veraiter Grant, Ey4• late Master in Equity of the Supreme . Court• On Monday, at Birmingham, Mr. 'oho 'Cadiz,. Aut" r of The Evening Brush. ' 1 On 1 ursdq last, aged la years, Miss 1• Lennar,: . daughter of %%WHAM Leonard, Land Surveyor, of Chap.:l - Golden-square. L.Ately. at Lyme Regis, I ercmiah Redwood, Esq. for:, incr LY a rcsidcot of Oxford , father•in-law of Dr. Holman , 01 Bath. ►,f Kehington, aged /r. Oil the :ad ult. at Dever, in the 84th • year ot her age, t•4rs. 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