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be injured, but from the extreme sensitiveness of the clergy with re gard to their temporal advantages—a sensitiveness which the clergy had manifested from the very beginning of the world, whenever they thought their temporalities were threatened.—(Clieers.)-110 though that he had now made out a sufficient case, to show that Ministers ought to have recommended to the House the discussion of the state of Ireland, and having done so, he should proceed to say a few words upon the other parts of the Speech.. He thought, then, that ate Corn Laws, as they now stood, were prejudicial in their effects upon the country. That they ,Were so, was proved by the fact that the Ministers had been obliged, in the course of th e last year, to propose their temporary abolition. He trusted they had now something specific to submit to the House regard ing these laws, as be thought the subject ought to have been ma tared by them during the vacation. The Hon. Member conclud ed by expressing his thanks to the House for the attention with which they had heard hint, and sat down amidst loud cheery'. • Mr. WESTERN began making some observations upon the Corn Lawi, respecting which, be said, it was impossible that the House could be expected to come to a sweeping con demnation of a system which had already acted so well. When ever the question of the Corn Laws was discussed, he trusted it would be treated with calmness and temper. One Honour able Member had this night made a most ungrounded assertion re specting the landlords, when he said that the Landed Gentlemen Wished for the continuance of the present Corn Laws only that they might throw off the public burdens from their own shoul ders upon those of the other classes of society. That statement seat 'founded on a prejudice, which lie (Mr. Western) must `HeT agreed with those who had deprecated the 1 1 o4Onernent of the question ; and, he believed, be might say, that that was almost the only part of the amendment with which he did fully agree. Ile thought the House ought to give a more specific promise than they had yet given, that they would promote retrenchment by all possible roma; though he must say, at the same time, that he would not reduce the Army Esta blishment so much as to disable them front acting in defence of our ally, Portugal, if she should be attacked by any Foreign Power. He confessed, he was not One of those who would entirely separate the interests of this country from the Con tinent ; nor would ' he consent to lessen her means of main. 4141 " R the intl!lenee: she now possessed, in (such a mine t,'," se to maintai n th e righ ts, t h e i n d epen d ence, and the "herties of other countries. lie thought that the House ought to lend' itself to inquire into the causes of the commercial as well as the agricultural distresses of this country. That they should also pledge themselves to take into consideration the state o f Ireland in the manner recommended by the Hon. Member (Mr. Dawson, of Louth), who bad this night addressed them for the first time, and had given the House a very favourable speei- Mee of the powers he posseased: (Hear.) Time Address, he ob- Served, referred to a topic which lie had mentioned more than "ace in the last Parliament, and which, if he had sufficient health sad strength, be would again press on their most serious consider tition—he alluded to the state 'of the currency. He was con vinced that all the dangers cif our situation last year, and all the d istresses now existing, were attributable to the vicious state of the currency ; and till the criffeney Was placed on a better foot ings' be feared we should again he liable to toffer the same cala reifies as before. A better regulated currency would pre teat those fluctuations of price and those altercations of pros )" rity and adversity 'which had happened in every period % nee the peace in ' 1815. That which made our taxes 155 high was, that tirey, were now paid in double the alnould of the value of money in which they had been imposed. If the taxes now paid were paid only in the same currency in Ihich th ey h a d been paid during the last ten years of the war, we 4 1 :: 14 feel th e m light mot air, he had almost said, but certainly not ru vy enough to press us as we were now pressed by the taxes. teat unfortunate measure of altering the currency, he attri t'uted all the calamities that had occurred since the peace. He Was anxiou s to support the Amendment, but he could not do it ii nieto that part of it which referred tn . the Corn Laws was altered. t hat alteration to o k place, lie did not knensithat he should refuse it him support. Air. Alderman WATTHMAN wished to make a few observe '''ns Upon the question now before the House. One extraordi -14,17 thing in the Speech was the total omission of all those things I leich ought to have once under the consideration of the House. man could dispute that the present distresses of this country mere equal to any which the country had suffered at any former titre. If th e C orn Qu es ti o n should come under discussion, h e s hould certainly give his vote in favour of the Amendment. He b elieved that Mi n isters had gone right in their liberal system, h u t be thought that they had not gone far enough. He wished to call Peettention of the House to a fact relating to l an d. D ur i ng t h e r ite war, the price of land had risen One-half, if not one-third, in r h ' Al ae. Other commodities had advanced v er y m uc h, an d comp l a i nt wi,then been ma d e that t h e pr i ce o f l a bo ur had not kept pace LT. the ri se o f o th er commo di t i es. M aterials and manufactures p er - ; w e the last ten yeare, suffered a reduction of SO'br 40 sAi one ant had t; Land had, in the meantime, increased in value. decreased the value of fund e d p r operty t o th e Mir" nearly one-fourth, and having: done so, they ought 114. continue to uphold the price of land ; but they did 41 tholigh that price had risen forty per cent., when every k" but landholder suffered loss under the present system, it as impossible that distress should not be creattal. Parliament tit rt to take special notice of the spirit of gambling and specula then. which had been the ruin of thousands. In the year 1720, tod i at its by scheming Companies was very dreadful, but he ha 11nothing in asserting, that the loss in the schemes of last I tt ; tr ,: i i a eingle Company alone, had equalled the loss created by I,_"e.e bubbles in 1'720. The 'Ministers of that day had caused a tamation to be published' to put au end to these schemes, and ,geeParliametit had afterwards passed a Bill to prevent them. spi 2 n itati been no Proclamation in the present year, although the 4 4 ",', 1 11 speetilation had been raging for some time past. He 1, 4 _ glit it necessary to mention these matters, because he vi r e : .the House would feel it its duty to institute some inquiry, knd was found that such baneful effects had been produced, 11,. wheal a spirit o f gambling had been svread from one end of oitt e e wary to anot h er, w hi c h had been the ruin of thousando— hear. )---At the same time, he was sorry to observe that the would le e one of extreme delicacy and difficulty, because time ,s.,'"'esof many of th e H onourable Members of this House, and of v 7ttom otherwise of distinction in, the country, were connected tth these schemes; he I . r"" t lY, though not barmail in many caaes, that they had hum lota, nor perhaps altogether blamelessly, "It desk cotintenance, ts!ly.they would be able to iree ra t t it . when OA otivsnrtunity_ WAS t!tiord erns4imes entirely front any impu . - 7 44 ' ef trickery to which the;prtmjcsetoris might be liable. If it h e re L Proposimal to place one Honourable Member in the 'situation ktu la before occupied assn Officer of the House 1 (Mr. Waitii ) for one should feel his t h n• duty to call upon hum 'for a full e t r;ca ti r o before he concurred in that proposal. He would not a„ nh : ea, te further into the subject, as ample opportunities would , sora` r t . hereafter, he afforded for going into ,it fully and mi -4„% 111111.9GDEN, after expre at i ng his wish that the llnn. Al this ea previously informed him of his intention to advert to t ooot a,sneous topic, proceeded in time following tours admit tit i f Il d ( M l )tedly that come under the deseCiption of a paean tve;:thinately fly, to enter into speculations—the objects of ' l 'emme e b - i " , e r f L u l n im ' 4l 4:t v 'rsion. The spirit to which the Hon. Al t'aell v e t.e o i monny, e 4:;•lose front excessive circulation, from the speculations were absurd, IT' 'kw rate of interest. Many of these Lae to connect myself with aoneY,, ' l cferious, and it was my miefor st that Compa n y were brought ruin. title latter. When the measures t !ttors, was coneiclered as culpal:l:""iew' as one of the Di se th e reut. A Committee ' 4 .! appointed immediately, told the ~, , r ietly and laiantaik ; .rereivifi.prozettall tthoc;iiiiimliousieredmireoestt 7;thoonials of their full conviction of mylin ,the Counnithee was presented to a General"h"lnce: 1740 tors the Pro , The Report and that Report War. unanimously eonflertnT-gml°f f the Coto an was atthseque"tlY caned, th re t' innv 14i to found to have been implicated in tranaactione hick I Di. a d t° have been n e farious ; the Report of the Committee waset: ' c'ctaxma llously (tnough not entirely so,' as some persons were 4411 tmliY anxidus t o i ncu lp a t e me , in order t o relieve them wt,t;'') adopted. The 'ninth wag, that the offendiug Direetors rett mved ; and unit of two hundred persons who v o t e d , th t . by themselves or by proxy, only seven were opposed to thttsteeolutien. 'Owing to some trifling irregularity, another Wi st , t t icwas subsequently c ull e d ; a nd, a l t ho ug h I had be en t h e sde hf 2uttinch Anise, the decision of the previous Meeting was P' and other Dire c to rs were sub st i tute d f ur those very pro their 1 ' 41 ° 9 4 These Directors, since they came in, have shown lug, of the propriety of the conduct of the former and have placed'me unanimously in the Chair of the to CY. The very name of the Arigna Conipany had become duty Ph wouldng' to my feelings, that nothing but strong sense of uhl have induced me to undertake this office; but have ett n k . ,over th. en and Imiipe„ with tine assistance of others,' to re enit'e• L'outparry from the condition into which it has' unbap.• uhf'n; I beg to tell time lion. Member that it is not a i a'lia. 4lt hatigh I became 'acquainted with it during the pre.. 4 trie ' a ges mammy others, wiser than myself, also fell into the' .rros , and perlmaps I might have some predispositi on in fit.: *ith e dti malady of the time. Every one of the Companies helve been concerned have mot only been defensible eras t " gran ndSt' but; with one or two exceptions, advan tido , the publio and profitable to the parties. The Strand t 'bcr 0 1 1 ' rairdY an exception, but I was not the original insti tit undertaking I came into it several years after- wards,. and, none of the unfortunate results can fairly be imptited to me. It would be ridiculous in me to affect to suppose that I was not alluded to by the Honourable Member ou the first day when this . Parliament assembled, and no. man feels more sin cere regret that the allusion was thought necessary. Although I despise compliments undeservedly paid, I had hoped to escape this implied censure. (Here the Honourable Gentle man paused, apparently unable to proceed, and was generally cheered by the House.) lam not mistaken that the Hon. and Gallant Member (Sir Joseph Yorke). referred to me; and to him I ,reply, that I have engaged in no Company for my own advan tage to the prejudice of others. I have been concerned in, various schemes of th e ki n d, no t o f ver y mo d ern d ate. I was one of the original proprietors of the West India Dock Company, and it is only in these latter days that such an odium has been cast upon Joint Stock undertakings. Good God ! let those , who so vehe mently•abuse them first look round and observe what the country owes to Joint Stock Companies. Ido not deny, that in the hot bed of the circulation of the year before last, a great many absurd and nefarious speculations did spring up, and in some of the pro jects I was certainly concerned ; but the List that has been publish ed is very incorrect, and I have been named a Member of Asso ciations to which I never belonged. Some that are bubbles, let it be remembered, are bubbles of an ancient date the Entern Company, and the Russian Company, have been established ever since the reign of Queen Anne. My appointment to the Chair of the Arigna Company, on the occasion to which I have referred—under the circumstances—Was more gratifying to my feelings, let me obserVe, than my nomination to the Chair of the Committees of this House. I consid ere d it th e public proof of my 'fredom from imputation. I call for the full investigation of my conduct, and I shall not be afraid to meet it.—(Hear hear.) I have already passed .through the most proper tribunal ; and, when I call to mind what the Hon. Alderman said in another place re garding my conduct, I assert that it is a direct and positive fait hood.-(Orilet ! hear. )--I speak of what occurred before the Court - of Common Council, and I repeat that it was a direct and positive falsehood:—.(Order, order.). Mr. Alderman WAITIIMAN—ReaIIy, Mr. Speaker, I cannot submit to this insult. Mr. SPEAKER—Th e Hon. Member must surely, have for gotten himself. Mr. BROGDEN-1 beg pardon, Sir, for having transgressed, hut the Worthy Alderman said, in the Court of Aldermen, that I had pocketed thousands, which, I repeat, is not true. My feelings have been cruelly harassed by the perpetual attacks upon me in the public papers, and, in fact, although an innocent man, these attacks haVe nearly deprived me of my character. Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN again interposed. Mr. BROGDEN—The Worthy Alderman need not rise, the direct animadversions he has thrown out, and my agitated feelings have carried Me too far.--(Here the Honourable Member was deeply affected. )—When he had recovered, he Arent on to state that he had been drawn into the Arigna Company most innocently. I will not (he said) enter into the details at present, hut the Com mittee reported in my favour; and as it was a most intelligent body of men, so it was the most proper tribunal to which my conduct could be submitted. Ido not call the Members of it im partial, because, when they first met, they thought my conduct as reprehensible as that of the other Directors subsequently removed, The Report made by them to the General Meeting, was confirmed by that General Meeting, and my appointment to the Chair was also approved. 'I have, perhapa, to, thank the Worthy Alderman for affording me this unexpected opportunity of vindication, and 1 will here take the liberty of reading the Report of the Committee, by which my acquittal was recorded. On the very first notice of the proceedings in Chancery, I was informed by the Solicitor, that although I was included, it was the unanimous opinion of the Committee that I was not at all implcated. The Hon. Gentleman here read the Report, dated February 2, 1826, which declared that Mr. Brogden, throughout these affairs, has acted with the strictest integrity."l In addition, I have the corroborating testimony of the Chairman of the Company, that up to the month of July, I was not cog nizant of the proceedings of the guilty parties. Conscious of toy own purity, 1 am most anxious that my conduct should be exa mined in every way. For two Parliaments I have sat in the Chair of the Committees of this House ; it is certainly a place of great favour, but not of that dignity to which some gentlemen seem disposed to raise it : the duties belonging to it are laborious, and I have endeavoured, to the utmost of my power to discharge them with impartiality.—(Hear, hear.)—l intieat the House to give its attention to the whole matter, and before it condemns, to give me an opportunity of proving my innocence.. , —(Hear, hear.) —I am placed in a very painful situation, and i do not wish to follow the example of those of whom I complain, fix inculpating persons who are not present. The most competert tribunal has already pronounced a verdict in my favour, and four or five Public Meetiugs have confirmed that decision. Instead of being con demned, I ardently hope to be again placed in the Chair of the Cothmittees of this. Howse.—(Muoh cheering.) Alderman WAITIIMAN, in explanation, begged to assure the Hon. Member that he had never used the words imputed to him. What be had stated in the Common Council was this :—that an Hon. Member was connected with various transactions of this Company, which ought, at the proper time, to be investigated. If the Hon. Gentleman could then complete his vindication, no man would be more happy than he (Alderman Waithmau) would consider himself. The length of time he luul known him, although not intimately, would afford sufficient evidence that be was governed by no personal animosity. Had he intended to bring the subject forward to-night in such a way as to call for an answer, he would have taken care to intimate as much to the Hon. 'Member. Mr. BROGDEN said that he applied the strong expression he had used to the report in the newspaper of what purported to have fallen from the Hon. Member in the Court of Comnion Council. He had never taken the trouble to contradict it till now, and he was sorry that he had been carried away by the warmth of his feelings. Sir JOSEPH YORKE did not at all like to be lugged in, as he had been, in the middle of the King's Speech—(Hear, and laughter.) What he had said on the first day had been dictated on the spur of the moment, and when as many cardinal virtues were athibuted to the Speaker as there were points in the cona piuiv—(Hear, hear.) If the Speaker were so immaculate, it seemed to him that a proportionate degree of purity ought to belong to the Chairman of Committees. If Ministers were satis fied, he was; . only the charge, as it reached him, was, that the Honourable Gentleman was one of the Directors of the Arigna Iron and Coal CoMpany, which was to supply all Ireland, and perhaps all the rest of the world, with those valuable commodi ties; that the Directors had bought of a Mr. 'Flattery (a very flat tering name) property for which they gave 10,0001., and that by charging it at the rate of 25,000/. to the Proprietors of the Company, they had pocketed 15,000/. The Honourable Gentle man was accused of pocketing 1,041/. as bis , share, and when caned upon to refund it, he refused, and kept :it to this very mo ment.--( Hear, hear.) Mr. LiROGDEN Said, there could be no doubt that this charge was true, of certain mentbei.s of the Company : unquestionably certain Directors only paid 10,00 W. fear what was charged 25,0001. to the general body of Proprietors, but he had bad nothing to do with such a nefarious transaction. When first re quested to belong to the Arignit Company, in September, 1b24, he re f u s e d. He had mining property in Wales of his own, and to that he had gone' down, after he had made up his mind and sent in his determination. W h ile in Wales, he received a letter front the Chairman of the Company, not requesting him to join it, but to inquire the character of the concern, of a person in his neighbourhood, well acquainted with the subject. He had done so, and had found the prospects of the speculation so I ljateriug, that, in an evil moment, he was induced to open it letter he bad sealed, and to write word that he would become a Proprietor. He had heard no more upon the subject until the :January following, when he found that he had been named a Director of the Company. At the first Meeting a deed of settlement of the property, on a stamp, for 25,000/., was laid before the Directors, and for that sum drafts were made upon the bankers, so that he had no suspi cion of the fraud of which three or four parties had been guilty.. It was only brought to light by the conduct of Mr. flattery, who impeached the conduct of some of the individuals, because they v(ctintld not agree to further terms le was anxious, to horse. Iti;rfito7 i t,elt.i:elevatreer, y iatnli a , y iivr the truth was discovered, a meeting of the convened. On that very day, lie and Mr. Bent stated to the prokie‘ tors all they had dOne in connection With this believed that 0 aceful business. t T m he ad fr e au u t u l t l i v i i s ui3 c r o , tri an m d itt i ed i the discovery was no • guilty parties put the whole looney into their dared most in, or i l a :a e e d eat im y a b s olved from any; participation distinctly• do with it. in the Court of kat he had bad nothing to °I. this disgrareful transaction.; • and he now de anriaerntte4o'f taintedhad sworn to the truth of what he now but could not impli am a e ° l l . w aY.• They admitted their own guilt, had not dared to state (11;it lie was cog- M FE ROHS ON Waigni.--(tiear.) this fi rst Occasion, .of the Address. On the grea; which lie should 'vote in favour as with the promise that the Ron eatified with the aesurarice of tltegro,„`,ll""us of stating, very briefly, on uestion of the Corn Laws be was fraudieni:nrin}'Pl' e l s w 111 0 ; nt l t ie 9 tr ix :4 0 1 11 f e t G 11 1 1:::11 in t e l t i o i ' t:,:b:e:e l ai s tai l i'e n ti l o t i lfso ile e l ilim:lnelnnbtailb::ot I ...... ;;° : nt h uhsg e tiadlt D 'etrhi ji b i Be' t nee i 4ta o ein n el en°°d g b o Pi all' e i nt , ' t ta : :: ; :° a :*"ch t e e t' n h e n i t u f l ua a it' l : l 4 ib bil e °i : i t d i a v : e de n s """) the Reduction of Expeodi titre,. the Alteretion of the Corn Laws, the Reform of Parliament, the Emancipation of the Catholics, and the Abolition of Sinecures and Pensions. With regard to the Roman Catholics, he felt, at present, that no political disabilities ought to attend upon spiri tual belief ; but if the question on the Corn Laws were now put, he felt, in his conscience, as an hottest Member, that he was not in a condition to vote ; it required long study and painful invests tigation. On the other topics, he was not at all prepared to offer an opinion. Sir ROBERT WILSON observed, that the great object wits not to look at every subject with referenee to the interests of par ticailar classes ; but with a view to the advantage of the natims at large. He gave the highest credit to the Mover of the Address, for the distinctness of his statemente---for the proper sympathy which he had expressed for the distressea of the manufacturing and commercial classes of the community; but, above all, for that in dependent spirit, which he had in some particulars evinced. The Honourable Gentleman had considered the, Speech under four dif ferent heads ; Ist, The indemnity claimed by Ministers for per mitting the importation of certain kinds ofgrain, before the period allowed by Parliament--and no doubt that indemnity ought to be granted. 2dly, The termination of the Burmese war--.and with respect to that, he admitted, that however question ably the policy which originated that war, the manner in which it was conducted and terminated reflected high honour on the troops by whom it hid been carried to so successful a termination. As to the third and fourth points, viz. our foreign relations and the prevention of hostilities, he must go somewhat more at large into these particulars. With respect to our foreign relations and interference with the affairs of the continent, he held a very different opinion from that of the Worthy Member for Montrose, who appeared to think that we ought to have nothing to do with the disputes of these Foreign Powers, but to apply all our attention to the husbanding of our own resources. He (Sir R. Wilson) had been educated in a very different school, for he held it to be a sacred duty of the Govern ment of this country to interfere with the policy of foreign natious, and preserve, as far as depended on them, the balance of power in Europe. He certainly could not forget the services .which the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Canning) had, in some particulars, rendered to his country. That Right lion. Gentleman had raised his country front a state of great general obloquy to a state of great public reputation—and he himself must, when lately in Paris, have experienced the highest veneration of his friends, and the ie. , sped even of those who had been his greatest adversaries, in his efforts for severing the Holy Alliance, and for other valuable mea sures which be had carried into effect, and lie must have been greatly encouraged in following up his own system. But the Right lion. Gentleman knew the French and other Governments of Eu rope as well as be (Sir Robert) did ; and he also knew well, that although ninth had been done, much:still remained to be done; mid he must say that the state of Europe, instead of being of a very encouraging, was of a most unsatisfactory nature, and the cause of a very great expenditure to this country. The Right lion. Gentleman bad adverted to the state of Spoilt and Portugal, and told the Mouse of the effects which had taken place in these coun tries; but he had said nothing about the cause. It had been bet ter if the Right lion. Gentleman had been able to tell the House, that the cause of those effects had ceased to operate, and that France had ceased to act contrary to her independence, and had at last withdrawn her troops from Spain. The present apathy of this country, with respect to Spain, might at last turn out to be the cause of a ruinous expence. Would it not have been inure manly and honourable to have interfered at once? and a statement made by the Right lion. Gentleman himself showed the urgent occaeiou of such an interference. A constitution, or a government of law, had been given by the Emperor Don Pedro to the people of Portugal, and yet the Right Honourable Gentleman had him self admitted, that not above three months ago, thee institutions bad been in the most imminent danger. From whence did that proceed. Did it not proceed from Spain acting under the auspices of France? It was France, then, who bad been the real director of the causes of au extremity of danger to the Por tuguese Constitution. Now, looking at this state of things in the Peninsula, in the, view of economy, was it not an occasion of great expellee to this country? Were not the fleets which this country was bound to keep on the coasts of the Peninsula, in consequence of Alai*, situation of affairs, a great expence to the country ? It was impossible, under such circumstances, that this country could place its army and 'levy on the peace establishment. This was impossible, until France should remove her troop* from Spain. France, if allowed to continue her occupation of Spain, would at last support her original aggression with the whole of her military force. .No time, therefore, ought to be lost. The Right Hon. Gentleman had said, with a truly British feeling, that Mi nisters ought to be sent to the South American and other smelt States, because the small States ought to be protected. This policy ought also to he acted upon with respect to the great States ; fur this country could not safely alswation all interferences with the policy of the Continent. It witeSurth while now to say one word with regard t* she Austrians. If the French had been three years in the nocupation of Spoin, the Austrians had occupied Naples for six ; and so severe was their conduct, that a very heavy penalty was inflicted on any Neapolitan who, by the slightest gesture, ex hibited hostility to the Austrian sway. Then look again at the affairs of Greece, and the conduct pursued by the French Govern ment with respect to that people. In Egypt 80,000 Arabs and Nubians were. organised by means of French officers,: anal brought into as high a state of discipline as our East Indian Sepoys. But we had our Foreign Enlistment Act, and our Government would not allow our officers to do the suns thing by the Greeks. While the French went in shoals to the enemies of the Greeks, we would not allow our officers, to go to their assistance ; and this was disgraceful conduct in us towards a people which ought, for so many reasons, to be so dear to Us. This was our con duct to them, when we saw the utmost efforts used by the Porte and by the Pacha of Egypt, for four years, to exterminate with the assistance of other European nations. The present Sultan of the Sublime Porte had exhibited the utmost energy, in carry ing into effect his measures for the new organization of his troops. He had shown himself a man of great ability and cunning, and knew well how to cover the lion with the fox's skin. Every as sistance ought to be given by our Government to the Greeks and then at length the Greeks would achieve their independence, if the Right Hon.. Gentleman could persuadirlds Colleagues to change their policy with respect to that country, In America, the Right Hon. Gentleman was hailed as the benefactor of the South American States. In Europe, he was extolled as the severer of the Holy Alliance. But the Right lion.,Gentleman ought to go still farther, and use his utmost endeavour for the liberation of Greece. Mr. GRATTAN said, that he would betray the duty which he owed to his Sovereign, to his country, and to the solemn oath of fidelity which he had taken at that Table, if he were to sit entire. ly silent on the present occasion. Re had been most anxious to find reason to agree with the Address ; but he was sorry to say that he could find no such reason. When the Rouse considered the columunieations which they had from Ireland, it was doubly their duty to take care that all mention of that country should not be excluded from the Address. A certain confidential Public Functionary, lately arrived from Ireland, and who must be well acquainted with the situation of that country, had stated, that the great evil of Ireland, and .specially of Dublin, was poeprty- 4 poverty which might be banished, if the ?maple of Ireland were put into such a situation that they could enjoy the benefit of Bri tish enterprize, British industry, and British impitel. All this would be effected, if only one single measure were adopted. Be had that day seen the crown on the King's head, and be thought that Ireland was the brightest gem of illte diadem, and that the brightest measure the Sovereign could edopt would be Catholic Emancipation. Conciliation and Emiincipation were th e on l y sure means of giving permanent peace to Ireland. But unfit,- timately the Cahinet could not agree among themselves --one part of them thinking that the subject of Ireland ought to be intro duced into the Speech, another part thinking that it ought to be omitted. The Seconder of the Addreeit had said, that if the mee sure of the conciliation towards Ireland had been mentioned, it would have received his most anxious—here he had heiitated, as if he had meant to say support—but he had at length said cunsi deratio. But on this part of the subject the lion. Seconder's speech had in one respect reached the very 411 AX or eloquence ; for, instead of all the most important topics which he might have introdu c ed i nto hi s s pe ec h with referent* to I re l an d , he had n Easternentioned King g n w d asthnotnlcle.asytelriey iii, au+l oftein,ot for his physieisn ; tatoes. ( A laugh. ) An i the physician happened to he an Irialiman, and undertook' to cure his Majesty by means of potatnie.—(A laugh.) —So the Honourable Seconder thought that every thing was toll* done for Ireland by means of potatoes : and he assured thenonoureble Gentleman that potatoes were a sound and good root, and article. which would grow at the Horse Guards and in the Palace se readily as i n I re l and. H e t h oug ht, that if I reland gave her blood and her mon e y f or t h e se rvice of the state, Parliam e nt was bound to give her iu return what she wa s certainly entitled to - , posse* and What he had no doubt the good sense of the Par lianieut would ultimately grant her—namely, equal rights And equal privilege*. Mr. WYNN explained, Whatever Meas ures would tend to promote the interests, of Ireland, would alwayi receive his cordial support, if convinced that these mealturee could be carried into executi on w ith safety to the Church and State. MOORE was of opinion that the diversity of opinions expressed its the course o f th e debate, had arisen from the absence of several topics from the King's Speech, which, in the judgment of different Members, ought to have been itttroduted int o it. He himself thought that the state of Ireland bad been su,ffixiently ad vetted= to, in the present 'stage of parliamentary proceedings. He could assure the House, that the prevailing sentiments of the ,most influential portion of the constituency of Ireland were, that the best justice that could •be , rendered to that country, would be to secure to it , the strict and inviolable maintenance of the essential principles of the Protestant Esta blishment, which he sincerely believed were the safest bulwarks and strongest defence of the British Constitutien.—(ilear, hear.) Mr. lIUME rose again amidst cries of " spoke." Ile denied that his Amendment tailed upon the House to express any decided opinion on the four or five important points included in it. It merely pledged the House to take them into consideration at a future time. Sir J. YORKE regretted that the King's Speech had not been more clearly and strongly expressed. After eleven years of peace, he confessed he saw none of those earnests of economy which he would have been glad.to have witnessed. A flight Honourable Gentleman (Mr. Wallace), during the last Session Of the last Parliament, had brought . up a flaming Report from the Commis sioners of Inquiry, which blew the whole Stamp Office to—he would not say where—:(a latigh . ).--He did not find fault with the extent of the military establishment. He believed that the civility lately *hewn abroad to the Right Honourable Secretary (Mr. Can ning), arose altogether from his having his sword iu his band. Mr. R. MARTIN was sorry that the Catholic Question had not been alluded to in his Majesty's Speech. If his Honourable Friend (Mr. Grattan) had proposed his Amendment, he (Mr. Martin) would have felt bound in duty to have supported it. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, in order that the di vision might ` take place, when . _ . _ Mr. CALCRAET rose. -- He agreed in many topics of the Amendment with the Honourable Afember for Aberdeen (Mr. Hume) ; but without a more ample discussion, Le could not un dertake to pledge himself to them. There was no earthly objection to the Address. Taking the course which would leave Lim the least fettered, he should vote for the Address; to which there was no objection, rather than pledge himself to all the details of the Amendment, which, he declared, he could not thoroughly under stand. Sir R. FERGUSSON stated his intention of voting for the Ametultnent. A new Illastaxa, whore name we could not learn, spoke in fa viiur of the Address. He wished the Amendment to be with drawn. Mr. Alderman WOOD said a few words in support of Amendment. Mr. BENETT opposed thr Amendment, which he thought should be submitted to the House in separate *lotions. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House was occupied fur about a quarter of an hour in further discussion. Upon a division, there appeared to be— For the Amendment — Against it Majority for the original Address B3 The Gallery was not again opened to strangers until: the Rouse adjourned, about half-past eleven. BROWN, MAYOR. • THE FIRST COURT of MAYOR and AL DERMEN holden on Tuesday, the 21st day of November, .1226, and in the Seventh year of the Reign of George the Fourth of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, King, &c. Resolved unanimously,—That the Thanks of this Court be presented to the Right Honouiable Wiwast VErrautrs, fate Lord Mayor of this City, for the talent, independence, and energy, with which he discharged the important duties of his high sta tion—for his exemplary diligence in the firm and mild administra tion of public justice—for his countenance and support of the various Charitable Institutions of the Metropolis—for the liberal and splendid hospitality which he displayed throughout his Mayoralty—for the impartial and dignified manner in which be presided over the deliberations of this Court, and for his cour teous attention to its several Members—and, more especially, for his prompt and spirited efforts during a season of no ordinary commercial embarrassment, with a view to restore public con fident*. WOODTHORPE. Utic r%stut. LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, NOV. 22, 1826. . . We were enabled to g i ve our readers, in our tmpres sion of yesterday, so correct a report ofthe commence ment of the Session of the New Parliament, by the Speech from the Throne, that we now take, up the history of the day's proceedings, from the hour at which the two Houses resumed for the consideration of the Royal Speech. In the House of Peers, Earl CORNWALLTS, after a few observations, moved the Address, which as usual, was little more than an echo of the Speech, and Lord COLVILLE seconded it. Lord KING moved an amendment, containing as usual in his Lordship's motions, allusions to distress —reduction of Taxation, Corn Importation, and Cur rency, which amendment was put pro firma, but was negatived without a division. On the original ques tion being put, several Noble Lords expressed their entire approbation of the measure adopted by his MAJESTY'S Ministers, for the importation of certain descriptions of grain ; and the Earl of LIVERPOOL stated that this question would be brought under the consideration of the House at a very early period.— ' His Lordship then made the important announcement that his MAJESTY'S Ministers would, on the earliest convenient day after the recess, call the attention of I Parliament to the general subject of the Corn Laws, observing, that looking to the peculiar circumstanced, under whiCh Parliament was assembled, and to the attendance which was to be expected at this periud of the year, it would not be consistent with what tlo Government owed to the country, if at a meeting of Parliament, convened in the month of November, for a specific object, they were to bring forward so exten sive and important a measure. Hie Address was then agreed to nem con.; and the Earl of SitAnTES BURY was subse quen tl y re-appointed Chairman of Committees of the House of Peers. In the House of Commons, the proceedings were of much higher interest. The Addroes was moved by the Honourable Mn, Lions:Lt., and seconded by the Hoe. Mr. WI NN, in Speeches, manifestin g great pr f a raise of talent, a nd distinguish e d by , mailly declaratuell of mixing a general spirit of independence, with 4 general support of His MA JESTY's Gtwernment. Mr. BROUGHAM commenced the attack by a speech of considerable force, in which he- adroitly attempted to draw off the attention of the House from subjects to to others whi c h it did not which the Speech related, allude to, by which means the Honourable Gentleman had a wider field for the range of his imaginative genius. The grand point, however, which he pressed in this display of good intonation, as it was design a t e d by Mr. CANNING, was that the objects which Parlia ment were now Earticularly bound to p u r sue , were, . . I s t. The tranqui ity of. Irelend, by doing her justice ; and secon dly, the keeping England peaceable, b y ; every possible reduction of public expenditure, The Speech of the Honourable Gentleman, had, ho w _ ever, one good effect, it called up Mr. CAN NING, who addressed the House, with the elo quence habitual to him, and replied to every obser vation made by Mr. BROUGHAM, with that con summate talent whiCh lift. him so far above all his op ponents. He satisfactorily shewed the wisdom, f wordin g His MAJESTY'S Speech in those gamut terms wlieh had been a dopt e d, f or the purpose of leav ing the discussion of the important subjects ot , Parliament are to deliborate, untramM e ll e d • lint he manfully disavowed an intention to cut down sod c lump all the establishments of the Coun try; as urged by Mr. BROUGHAM, and slimed conclusively that i t wa s wiser to maintain a larger force than the ePP" e4 of Government thought neceatary during peace, than by its reduction to risk the occurrence of event. which might plunge the whole of Europe into war, the :expences of which, in one year, would be more than equal to thirty years of the present surplus expen diture. The Right Honourable Gentleman illustrated his argument by reference to the state of Portugal and the presence of our Naval force there, the object of which was not to interfere in the internal affairs of that Kingdom, but to overawe other powers from attacking our faithful Ally. He a ls o in allusion to the question of the Corn Laws, stated the intention of Ilis MA JESTY'S Ministers to confine the discussion at pre sent to the measure which had been adopted on their own responsibility, but lie avowed that be considered the state of the Law which required such an occasional violation of its provisions as far from desirable, and de clared that at a very early period after their next meet ing, he would be prepared on the part of His Ma- JESTY's Government, to propose such measures with regard to the Corn Laws generally, as, in thei r o pi n i on , will be beneficial t o the Country, and conciliatory to wards all the great interests involved in the determina tion of the question. This declaration was received by cheers from all parts of, the House, and notvvith standing a long and, tiresome speech from Mr. HUME, and speeches from other Honourable Members, to which we have not space to refer, the Address was carried by a majority of 107 to 24. The Session has thus begun under the most favourable auspices, and the fact has been established that the new Parliament is not less in favour of the measures which His MA.• JESTY'S Government have pursued, than its prede- cessor. THE FUNDS. CITY, Twelve vi Clod. The appearance of the British Funds have been extremely gloomy since the commencement of business. Consols closed yea terclay at 08-1 and comm ence d thi s morn i ng at 83a; since whichthey have gradually declined to 82 with a heavy prospt. The Foreign Fu n d s h ave b een equally dull, and prices of all a ec re lower than yesterday ; Mexican being tllii ; Colombian Bands, 411 /, and very little business transacting in either. Schemes seem to be quite out of the question, and the -prices quoted may be considered rather nominal than otherwise. Three per Cent. Consols, 821 ; Ditto far January, 8S 1; India 4 per Cent. Bonds, 40 2 pm, ; Exchequer Bills, 22 B . pm. Foam); Funns.—Austrian, 02 ; Brazilian, 66 7; Ilium Ayres, 65'7 Chilian, Chilian, 39 4.0 ; Colombian, 1824, 41+ I. Consols, 831, buye rs; 4 p er C ent., 1826, 97 Two o' aock, Consols, for Nov. 89k I ; Ti l itfo N f ß or Kre1.LE493371. LAW INTELLIGENCE. VICE-CHANCELLOR'S COURT. —(THIS ,Dar. ) THE COLOMErAN tti OVEN NAIRN? V. 9.OTHSCHILHp STOKES; AND writ Elks. The pleadings i n thi s case were opened nu a former day; It Was a bill filed against the surviving partners of the houte of Goldschundt and Co., and against Mr. Rothschild and the othex four inspecting trustees of the affairs of that house. Th e hat set forth, that ni April, 1824, certain representatives of the Colombian Government, entered into an agreement with the house of Goldschmidt and Co. Jur raising a loan to the amount of four million seven hundred and fifty-thousand pounds. Accord ing to the terms of this contract, the Colon, hiau Go vernmeat were, for every eighty-five pounds advanced them, to give a bond for one hundred pounds, bearing six per cent. interest, so that in fact interest at the rate of eight per cent. was to be paid on the money actually advanced. It was agreed on the part of the Government that the revenues of the State, and particularly that on tobiteco, should be pledged for the repayment of the loan, and deeds of b l ' t n t ill ' i h o le e r nit tg l h i a o g se I, t iL i ffi e , se ,fe :o o li: f d t a t h t i L a i ol tht t s i e l t sa fl ipe .e l ia c i o nt 3 t i w i tt. d h it e r w i e .d e el i re v i ee d to e u l d iea a ge t at H i r t i i ts ain al fo so bl A rg h to e lt f m i o t r a ' r n i lli l a t g a a e j i!e t S i n k 2 t it :of the loan, they were to receive the instalusents of it, to retain outs of fund fur a final redemption ashy Jean. Thu bill now tiled prayed an account of all the sums received by the house of Gulthe:nutidt, on account of the luau; likewise of all sums paid, laid out, or ex pi.lided on the same account, so that. if a halatiov appeared to; be in favour of the plitintitlit it might be paid over to them. To this Mr. PENlellivrON now appeared on the part of the surviving tpintelb2ill,Thieirgit'alea,nteiadt iti:t3.lteleintainni'e4ourntlgicnco'atulytraoit•thetlrieortetienetiisorlii: such Government recognised by this country as the Columbian, and although it might be insisted on the other side that at the time of the ratification of the contract, the. Colombian Govern ment was recognized by us, still it would appear from the ?labi ate own adiniasion that they had introduced into the contract certain alterations which it did not appear were contemplated by th e contracting parties in this country, so flea in fact it was not the same contract by which• the defendant had hound the :twelves; if, indeed, they could he considered as ever hound to a Govern ment that slid not exist. Another objection in , that even supposing there was no question , as to ti. o political exiNt rot* of that Government. still there Sir m no inat anee en record in which it Sovereign Stem had been allowed to sue in .a Court of Equity. It was well known that the Court could recognise no te:irties to a suit, ands-as it posses sed the means of enforcing its decrees against them. True it was that they might sue at law, but in Courts of Law there was no such thing as a cross Equity ; and a plaintiff in a Court. of Equity was pledged to pay to the defendants any balance which might appear against him (the plaintiff.) Should! there appear a balance against the plaintiffs in the present instance, how, he asked, could the Court enforce the payment ? The Learned Gentleman insisted that the contract, if vela in any other respect, must fail, inasmuch as it violated the Statute of Usury. True it was that the original agreement between . the Representatives of the Colotnbiati Government and the house of Geldschmidt h a d b een entered icati at Crileis. and that the deeds in fnitheratice of that contract 'were executed at llamburgh, but this the Learned Gentlernan contended, to be a mere contrivance to elude the operation of the Statute. The contract was with English merchant", the money to he raised in pursuance of that contract Was to be obtained in Eng land ; • the dividends on the loan were to be paid in Eng lund, so that frum hegitirthig to end the transaction was essen tially English. Wrath! the Court then. eyeing that 0 peer cent, ialltt be paid on the money advanced, allow theteutrivancs rowed to in the prey at immure to suiceeeil i llikiiiJelb WiliK this rhammenta.executed out of the kingaliifit*-, . On the part of lkielikes. .:-liiithilehilil ilia the other invitees Ale L e ',,,. aeil Gentlemmein. „nut' ted, thetas the plaint:ll%lM not seek the benefit of the trim, they hail ens right to call upon these gentlemen to, answer. 'Me keetlitNEY-tie/iEIIA I.; followed ou the haute side. vi th t i t A l u t t h r t i h et e B l yt7044 were: te regarded :I rs li ve dt r n : edi t , t l :e:o.i the n d i poec t 4 : u t unt : il d i e4b i t ni d:je,hit to bute io (' t la: address, Mr. rel e i i ii t e i te ng t: L h at i Ld fo : w e t on h h o e te l w ) n h i: a t tiff4 tha Z although th e 416firidanti avere. not liable to the Colombian Gov s to the contrast lit his individual capacity, and not iterepreteintetivito of the Government, 'With hint the honatof Goltisehmitit bait ani through, managed their attain,' with the Wolabiatt.' Goverment, l i e u :n o t:l ly a necessity of going to press at so early " a " , :t i l . A ho t:l ti 'ti r 7h peev ":t e "i u 6 e4 T7 L et t: r y t ) lh i l 7: givinin WI , by expressing his hope that , the , anirt by 44 ties'i sun ," would Prevent 'thelamebtable consequentest stitch must re- All Malty lens frotu the defeat of his Moira. If the t. i s- Government did not receive that Hit of the Luau, and so large a partion of it too,. inanely. 1,,, ,,ti '," / l ii ''' l l' 119 w wse ' it Sot be expected that they could pay the (o'4'en"' on it? .;,, T he V mr-eltANCllLtua said that it sins nevesamyter the pu t ,.. poses of justice that the t ',tort thould see all , the parties hau te i l a, The present bill did Hot '" testi s t! ' r it).alwilloilthesinte.itt ii. )4- . ve-m-it---)-T: , ) , ( , ;,•:,,, , ,-,,,:i."!iit.,,sie Governtrieid kul .cortsisi' iluti,- cre :A "e .. ,_ ' 6 4 h i l " ? i ,, 0 , tumult, said in whoite Auntie it isued. Vun"UUSt by ‘` . :',7, 1 , des:ceiption of peraons i l: it tvos impossible that j L 'e le i ntle . ''''''''.' a m iainerial 1 f die Court th i d ttot know who th e p a p. Ulitic , vetild I"' t uutriu• ntikat therefore be allowed. His Honour wits ti mwete t th." . *•,' ~, ! J ai mi,.h t he tiled if the art' ofoPiti 't hat '"! *in. , . • Pr' „. t , a ii otiottvatiun trout • Air. H. Grant his lict ea. i m.” . , t I , ~ . , „. . • , stti. in lie, opinion. Mr. hutted° could re.a. su,t t i i , t h e hat. said' that . Air. edit aei takikritEti til it the deecription of the partite as giveti ii hill was the same its set-forth ii i th e m o trs oi and ilk oie r .____ treaty with the Columhilm Govittamt n e t 11 ,,,, iirmsra T osi; ) in miter that hi s clients Might ure'wg right w i t h thopuldie,..wiShed it to' heitriesen, that iniiniisti of being in debt to the Colombian Government, they had 0 helluve a half a 'alien sa due to' thein from thit *M.