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I P,E I:JAL P, 1? LIAM . HOUSE UP , PEERS. 'LitnISPAN, MARCH 17.. COPENHAGEN. Lord SUFFOLK rose, and 'revived . the convekfae tin:i respecting' the 'necessity of having before the Howe , the Currespondeece between the Noble SeL eret.iry and Mr. Garlicke,. from the Ist of January,' 1 , ;07, till the close .of his :mission to the 'Danish Coeit. Much allusion had been made during the , u,,sion on the , Baltic Expedition to that Corre i, t!,,lence, and parts of it had been ,submitted. to the • elbuse ; he ova; therefore eta loss to Understand what o -jeeti 9 o could now be made to the produ6tion of lt was necessary fora fuller explanation Of some ponds, ,and for the clearing theconduet of Mr; Gar - tic k'°, .whose name, in•his'opiniop, had been unikitY.; made use of on this,Subjea.: Lord HeiIIiKES43URY saw titin&lessity'forpro ducing thy Correspondences, unless . eionte specific and • s•rong ground was adduced to warrant the necessity or its production, . , . LerdSerece.xseem ed teeacquiesceitithisobserva .. lion : at least we did not undersiand him, to make any Motion, or to name'any day on which he would' bring fore and such a Motion: ORDE ti.S IN COUNCIL. Earl. DERBY rose to present a PetitiOn against ti e! Bil! now before the House 'for furthering. Abe 'operation of. the. Orders in Council. .The Petition sv signed by upwards of 4•00 - 01 the Merchants and Tredei - s ot. Liveipool, and set forth the extreme bareslips in which the trade'of that opulent town must oe exposed if the clauses of the Bill were to be carried .into a law. The Noble-Earl dwelt at seine length, and with much ,force, on the nature and ex tent of those hiedships, and concluded with moving, that the Petitioners be heard by their Counsel against the said Rill. Sonic conversation then arose respeaing the mode of presouting the Petition, whether it should *be read, &i;. ; when it. wes.deterninA that it should be f.;.sakl by the C;erk. After. which. -The Puke of MONTRose, the' 4,01 in CHANCEL LOR, Lord Mittoesve, Lord WEsTNIoRLAND, and Lod Ity,.conteneed,, that a s t he Bill was a Bill of Aid aod Supply ceunsel 1:ould not be ,rd3a~„-t it, ‘A, it hnut infringing a Sanding Order of ttitir leenships' 1 loose. iiiat it was a Bill of . tire ee..,e; iptloti was inadoahuadantly clear in a vary' eebee ; .aid that the clauses now objeeleci to ' V,' ( . 1 L.i , !• “tcrely in turtln_rance of the policy and (*1 tla 1;i11. 1,01%! l'atSti.lse , , Lord GRENVILLE, Lords. LAU- Akll, and DARNLay, as warmly Inas ii was in' vain- to appeal to. tt Stand- to lei 4er ot doese 'after she decision. taken thane.; the test, tit:elate respeeeing the authority of eee of these Statiding'Orders'. As to the Bill be n% merely a Bill of Aid 'and Sbpply was. diSI , 1.,0:d on the very face of it : for it contained ten ur t iut)gtitutive Ousts, wholly foreign to, and.' deterent twee,' thee main obje6ent such a ,13i11, and' • ageitist these clauses it was that the Petitieeers prny ee be heard. • 'After a king and'anitnatettcenver; sno), which, howeveii,, exhibited no argutnent that not bk.eu previously urged more 'than otiCe due- toe the eiscussiOus ou this measure, the question was p u t o n the motion ter beanng Counsel, and: nege tiveti,without t Earl ef DERBY again roe to present ono- ' ther 'oltich, in his opinion, was , not liable to the objeatotts. The Petition was signed-, by tioliiher 01 the most respeoable merchants of • sii,iverpoel; and prayed t bat the Douse. iiCr their ,wis— dom would derises,tttlf, uthermeasuro thati:thk - itders in Cutinco, as they now stood, - in order to obtain tee slow object ; tor it Was their cctivi6tiou that the ini.:tiore- as. it nox stood must prove ruinous to the tele, ot Liverpuol; it not tti•the genet al trade of the country., His Lordship conclieled With inoving,that t Petitiois.:be.biid on the tableond th..it the Pei ition- Ileard by their Counsel against the Measure. • :Another conversation aroSe.respeait,g the 'node and torn of receiving this Petition. The Loan CHANgal„Lort, Lord 'HAvvtettseunv, Into Lord Byre u 'did not see how a Petition could he Neefted against a measure which was not ;tsneektiilg proceeding actually before the. House.` Lords LißeNviLLa, LittthatiDALL, and DERBY, ceeee4ed, that it was riot necess.,:v there should be h'eistative proccecli;)g betore the House to an t h,„rke thoe by it to petition against it : it gas elitee ; ti that Alen a ,tneasure Was publicly a , ‘ov,eki to be in contemplation ; and in 't`eality had pot, toe measure (if the Orders in Council bee:o al to and recouitnended in the Speech from the L):(1 11 V‘viiEratußY wished the Noble Eart hi motion.. Hi should have no tioh tlyPetition to he ob.the table. The ac.!..howleklged to be ot . the ninst re= 811 , !thinie doscriptitivt,cond, everyxortsideintion, rk . :eeiviig.,Y, the Petition; but coo: metros agree. to the othe.f •part of the Imlrd by Cout4, •! ;!.:111,,t thd 'Lordship ht ) foth:ing, as an ainendnictit i that the . s , t) th e : NohL Vat's rnotion, 'afteethe words oh .the t;i6Lc, - he kit tatr. - with Lord ,bury. ttioil t 4l,t the Petition inigi,ht ho ~,! Ole C6 , ,..!t1t0 - :!;t;i)11.1d not be heard in sup -1,4 t 11. 0, Ile on the Lord ki o L,,LA N 1 ptcsqutell fiotu P.lerckints 01 against the Orders, in Calm .:nor distuision, Was ved;leri to en the t.ll, k te but COunhel, it was del:Ali:toed, L. LL (:,:t be heard in support, of. it. ; let:num:3 that the House . shoold L 3:..::L01vc into a Corinnittee,,,to toe Ordill in Council ; but Lord. ',on to that. elf:tt was •nogativkl 4vvithout a Lord .1..,,10ns it oAr.,a, notwithstanding. the treat rnt.:;l the, Pomona had experktic:ed,,expreSsed pi 0.1 that INilinisters would )ct agree_ to the prayer 4 •Of when tlicy had consulted the. Manoger, wht, regulate`thetri as a fetoi . y order ! bide I) Thu ball of LastltlttCK 01nPlairlqd Of the impro , 7 , viety of speaking ttith such disrespeti of Mini iness riti then ht roijor o ity f the. House ought 9 . 9),. 1 . 9 buumi . t to bud) lahgwige from the Noble Lord, or the junto ft by whom . he W: star• rotiticied. LAnDsanatz explained; and by Wfl}' of Apology said he merely meant to express a tort,, that Ministers, on:reconsidering the subj Let, would agree to the prayer of the_ Petitioners. • Adjourned dt Twelve o'clock. ROUSE OF commoivs. TBURSDAY, MARCH i 7. Sir CHARLES PRICE presented a Petition from certain merchants of the City ,of London, concerned with the trade on the ,Continent, •and, particularly qualified to judge of the effects of the Orders in COuncil, expressing their perfed .approbation' of those Orders, and praying the House to take such measures as may appear Most. fitting to give them the fullest execution. This Petition was frtim the sncrae persons from whom Sir C. Price, on a former night,. otlersd a similar Petition, under the, denotni natinn of the Society of Merchants trading to the Continent,. That Petition was withdrawn; on ac count of some difficulties started to the right of the Petitioners to call themselves a Society, and the present Petition was presented in its. place. After some conversation, referring to the former Petition, and, the charatlcr of the Petitioners, iu which l Mr. 'Whitbread, Mr. Tierney, Mr. Ponspn by, Mr..Alciertnan Combe, Mr. Mellish, the Chan ? cellor of 'the' Exchequer, Lord 'Temple, Mr. Alder man Shaw, and Mr. Baring took-part, and Sir C. Price repeatedly explained, the Petition was ordered to lie on the table. Names of the Committee on the Bridgewater , Eleotion; E. W. Bootle, Esq. Lord Hinchiphroke, G.. Duckett, Esq. l. Duple t'orcher, Esq. Hon. E. K. Stewart, Sir I. Sebright Sir I. G. Cockerel, . 1. Farquhar, Esq. Lord Lovaine, . Hon: E. Harbord, W. Wynne, Esq. Davies Giddy, Esq. 1. S Gooch, Esq. W. Mellish, Esq. G. Greenough, Esq. Mr. Husxissow gave notice, to-morrow lie would make a Motion on the subjea of the Orders in Coun cil. • COLD-BATEI.FI ELDS PRISON. Mr. Hopp.: SUMNER, seeing alight Hen. Friend ot'his in his place who had'presented a Petition settle time since on the subject of alledged abuses in the Cold Bath-Fields Prison, and wishing extrentel4 the business should be satisfaCtorily cleared up, but at, the saute time unwilling to Interfere with the Right Hon: Gentleman, begged to ask if he meant to pro, pose any proceeding - on that. petition. Mr. SHERI:D:IN said, his Hon. Friend would recollea, lie proposed in the first instance to leave the matter to GoVernmenr. Ilcpr s esethatious had been made to the Secretary of State for the Home Department, and no answer had been made to, them. The application had been renewed,,nud on less sornething satisfaCtOry should be done in it within .a' reasonable time, a proposition would be submitted by' him to the House. There. were per ' sons in attendance who were ready forthwith to prove at the bar the grievances. alledged in the.Pcii lion. He was'Vvilrling to give his Majesty's Ministers every reasonable opportunity to do' what the Coun try had a right to cxpt from them, but he mild not forget that five 'years had elapsed since abuses similar to thz"e now complained of had been aster-' tained,to exist by a Committee appointed by War rant 'under the Sign Manual, and that no one step had been taken to redress those grieVanees or to punish the authors.of tht m. tio,had only to say,. traria some substantial proceeding should be taken by, his Majesty's Ministers in the course of next week, he shoold offer a motiou to the Home on the subject, • Mr, HOLAIE SUMNER had the fullest coat deuce in the Goverrne,:..nt, and was sure the Mom bets for Middlesex wool& not lose sight of a matter that called so particularly for their attention. But the charaCter of the Magistrate's of that county were involved, and his anxiety re do justice to -these reSpeEtable - men could not give way to his defer enee for any person or persons whatsoever. .He questioned whether any steps that would beprivate, ly taken by his Majesty's QoVernment would satisfy . , the Opposition., He thought it extraordinary .that the Petitioners, passing by the regular and.proper . ' mode of addressing, their represeittaii(ms : to the Magistrates at the Quarter Sessions, to the Magi strates who formed the Jail. Committee, and At) the Secretary of State for the `Home Department, had cone in the first instance to Parliament. He could attribute such .a proceeding to nri other motive than a desire to,obtain a bad popularity, by exciting pub lie clamour to the injury of the 'diameters of otherS, Thoughthe result of whateVer investigation should. take AA:ice wonld; he was well satisfied, be .very far from substantiating the charges made, the Petition would yet remain on': the Journals an eternal lihel' on the Magistrates of - the county of IVliddlesex. Ho adverted to the former inquiry • into allellff,ed abuses in the Cold-bath-fields Prjson, by Commi,sioneis appointed under the sign manual.— Thoirgli; ft our theehamact of those Commiitsionerst. there could he no doubt that they executed klierr. .trust faithfully, y4t,, froM their being appointed by . the CroWri; a sort of prejudice and dissatisig...tion had' always' existed with. respect to their Report, among the common people, whom, it was most essential to satislypo this, hod. 'ln guard against that 'evil conialuer . :e n ihe'present instance, he intended to . _ •moveici refer the Patitiun, and the matters conned eci-witli it, to a Parliamentary Committee, to sit up stairs.. Looking. to the investigatiou which this Committee would' Make, he would wake no obser vation now on the matters charged in the Petition; imt with a vtcw.to the further information of Gen tlemen, he would_ move, that there be laid before the House a:, Copy of the Report of the Visiting 'Magistrates of the County of Middlesex, to whom it was referred• to inquire into the truth of the elle= gations of Mf, Sheriff Phillips and Alexander Ste., phens„ with retied to the use of false weight , . and the distribution of light bread, and other abuses in the Cold-bath-tields Prison. Tha CHANCgLIAM of lhe EXCILEQLIER had no objeelion to the production of the Papers now moved for, He conceived it to have hero the general understanding that the fads should be iii- Auired into bra Gtwernment Conitnission, the Petition should be_ referred to a Conimittve, The reason why a Government Inquiry had li:A taken vhice before, was, that the Secretary of State 'for the Home Department did not think the former investigation satisla.aowy, and was ktudyit% how to d f i gi a better form to. ihe present one. With -that vio.v applications ba4, been made to cho survivitg M-mhers of the 'former Commission, from a. persna- situ that they would be tit associates and direaors in iu present course of proceeding. Their answer tea; eXpeded, and the course that appeared to, his Miesty'S,Ministers the best, was in progress. When the: Report of , the Cpmmissioners that were to be appointed, should be on the table, then the course that shouldseem best to the Rowena the Authentic view of the feels,' would be followed. . Sir F. B URDE7"I I • felt himselfin a singular predi cament, being unable to agree to 'any of the proposals suggested. He protested, in the first place, against the prusei life ofleaving the grievances com plained of by the people, to be redressed according to the favourable disposition of the Government. The lion. Gent. who introduced the,subjed this' night, appeared to be faulted by a most perverse notion. The Hon.. Gentletb r an's object, in proposing a Parlituentary In quiry, was not to redress the grievance; complained of, but to rescue the Magistrates who were charged with causing or permitting, the . existence of those grievances. But it was not the whole body of the . Magistrates of the County that were concerned in this case, but the Committee, of which Mr. Mainwars, mg, Cheirman of Hicks's Elalbiwai President. The reteaton of the l'elition,•. on the ground that the denomination assumed by the I'etitioners'had ceas ed to belong to them, was unbecoming .the facility of access which.. the House of .Comnions ought always to give to thecomplaints of the people. It was like the trick of a lawyer, who saved a thief by discovering a flaw in the indiament. .1-16 - Consplain ed, after the fast of the existence of great abuses in 1799, no step bad - ben taken' in • remedy,. ev& since, This was an additional reason with him for not leaving the businesa now to the direction , of the Secretary of. State..., Tfid fora - ter CPmmiSsionerss bad studied as much as possible to soften down the existing abuses, but they could not withhold the,' fat of aheir existence. These Commissioners had confined themselves to inquiring into the grievances: present at the time of their visit. They had not, gone back to those that had given ;rise to com plaint ; and the Governor of the PriSon bad a month's warning to prepare for the visitation. 'Be tween these it appeared that no attention was paid .to the orders of ;he Magistrates, or to the-general regulations on the head of prisons, in various ; abuses And cruelties which were prsaised, not only in measuring out the provisions by light weight, but in the keepers borrowing. Money and taking bribes from the prisoners. He had offered to prove, that these bribes and loans amounted to 1 1001. The Report, of the CommissiOners. stated, that the Prisoners' suited their applications to the wants of the jailor„ and that .he ;was sometime* 'tempted beyond what his fOrtitude was able to resist; was ever corruption wrapped in more delicate terms; Ho had reason to think that. the Governor's daughs ters also were sometimes tempted beyoOd their power tri resist. These were the least enormous of the fats that would .come Out on investigation. He hoped the cclndua of the inquiry would not be taken out of: the hands of the Honourable 'Gentleman who bad brought forward the bdsiness above all, lie . hoped that the importance of making a most cum plete and satisfaEtory investigation would be felt. Mr. SHERtii AN thought the candohr of his Hon. Friend (Mr. Sumner) very 'short lived, for, after professing a reluaAnce to take the business out. of his hands without strong reaioq,, the moment lie gave the strongest reason for alloSving.things to pro teed' in the dune ,he bad laid d o wn, the Hon., Gentlemancame forward with an 'a& of diret inter; ference. He should feet a stranger , objeaion, to. a Committee named by the Right Hop:•Gentleinatt, ,than even to a ComMittee named - by his Majesty's Ministers. The former Committee consisted yr. respec=table persons, and ,though their powers were limited, their Report was clear. Bit What he par& eularly complained of was, that the most. -obvious Measure to satisfy the• public mind, the dismissal of _kris, was not adopted upon this A Committee of 'the House of Commons, properly . `appointed, could riot be so trifled-witbr•• Helepeat ed. his statements' about short Weights ; .and cited, as a proof of general cruelty, the .casoof Mary. Rich ? who being confined in .proveof `her compounding a charge or tape, , was so starved, that, when called upon to appear, she was unable to stand or walk. Wt.at-Was still More lame:Adele, sixteen Magistrates, 'at "the head of who was .Mr.- Main wiring, made out a. statement, hi which it was, assested.that the , girl was not ill,treated; because her father could not 'feed her better. , The fatherwas a poor meth,' but was quite a shock, to linsso be. told ,tipt.•Jle col4ldi nOt.,Maintain his children -hotter than ,bY, Starving, them in a cold cell.. Lie- would Wail for .a comma, nication 'from the Secretary of , State, and it' that should pot be batisfadory, he woOd_tnetve . fur'the appointmeot of a, Committee. Mr; Mews's stated, : that .on exatnioatets itsisais found' that 308 of the ,prison loaves . weiglied4l;; lb. It was possible, that by hold,ing over the loaves they, may sustain a diminution in • SuCh a falling bfrointiect min and: allow ed. by la AT:L for the appointment of,a Committee-of she .Honse `A Cimitrilttee so coustitateC, that its Iteport would,be final ;-so that if it should declare these complaints to be groundless,' no more should be heard of ,them Mr. HOLME SUMNEtt repeated his desire to'have a. Parliamentary Committee its the. first instance, and proposed to read' a list, which his Hoot Friend Would. find to be candidly forn'ted. - Mr. SnEttina - si wished toptopose a list s)f his own. In addition to the'other cases of abuse, he 'would mention that of a foreigner who was insane, and When . had been beaten and confined toil cell. Mr. MeLLISH said tins foreigner; . who was com mitted, to the ptison for being a spy; was con fined to a cell, and' there was reason to suspect that his derangement' was counterfeited. The case of sedu€tion by the Gevernor'ii son did not occur till a considerable time after the woman was out of the prison. Mr.- C. WYNN 4 slated, that this foreigner' hnd been confined, because it was not thought sale,to allow him to have intercourse with other foreignera, as he might thus give infortnation which would bring several lives into danger. Sir F. BUllDt‘fl went again at length into the abuses proved byitlie former Committee, and ad mitted by Aris, whom he described as.a man of known bad chargter, a man Who, as a tax. valet - cr., had embezzled the money of his pivinb, and was ?tit into the government 4,4 this non to 6nable him to repay it. The prison contained 300 cells. It wa; not thereferea mere common visit .• that could he called an inspeCtion of it. • Thedaily allowance to each prisoner was,a ponrid-of bread, and.if one of these cells was left unopened and on- • supeed, the untortunate.person within must stiffer famtne, 'and in case of frequent repetition, certain death must be the result. - It was not the mere mis conduCt of Atis that" was to be remedied in this' . case,. • the system of the prison was itself bad. It was an innovatiott.on the constitutional plan of the British ,Vrisons. It was an experiment, and the experiment had failed. The beneficent Howard bad suggested . solitary confineinent is a remedy _for that moral de-. pravation that was - attendant • upon the mixture of both sexes, before his time common iu onr, prisons. .• 'But in that improvement, he was far from wishing 'toinnex any unnecessary hardship. He wished to giveevel alleviation 'whiCh the cruel hardship of solitary .confinetnept required. By.the present prac tiee, to all the hardships of the timuer mode of int prisoarnent, was added that of solitary,cellt. Mr. Howard had deprecated violence to the person of s prisoner, which ought to be held as sacred ps that of the King. What would be say therefbre of the ruffian who could beat a prisoner in chains ? There wak not one Aris alone, but a whole family of then'. The whole place was calculated for deception. Thera was a large kitchen it was airy; there was a chdifapel, g • and . there wefe several good rootns • .but the fi culty. was to get 'access to the cells.. By the private eomMunication of a turnkey, be had been induced id - ask for a man of the name of Jones, whom 1u had never seen before, although he hod several times visited the Prison.. He was coefiued in a dark ce11...-. ,a miserable - objeet--and in des p air related the treat ment which he had received from Aris, who a it' seemed, had beat him so seve re ly , that for six weeks he spit blood.. Ails did not deny the charge, but; on the contrary, declared that he wo uld treat ' any., scoundrel sit who . b e h ave d impertinently to hint. • Me CHANCELLOR of the, EXCHEQUER , . , adverting' to wnsit had been said of the mysterions • .protection afforded to Mr. Aria, observed that the appointment or the removal of that person did not . rest with Government. Every disposition had r( 'b an ee manifested by him to ihvestigate this subjeel, d he objeaed.to. the appointtnent of a Committee, because he did not think that the, House ( might be ereEted into an Executive.Governmetit, when the' Executive.GovernMent was disposed to inquire iota the evils submitted to its consideration. Why , had not this _inquiry been su bmitted 'to the last Go vernment? He -was sure .they would •have bee n disposed to enter into it. tie was sure the present .Government was disposed to enter into it. • But '.the Petitioners thought it better. to come .to ;the House than to communicate their i nforms. _ tion to his Majesty's , Mittisters • • ;: as_ to whether. e 4• Committee or a Commission. was to be instituted, that was a qtiestiOn to be-decided by the House, and not by the Petitioners. • • • Sir FRANCIS . BURDETT explained, the manner hi which the late Commission hart.been ;'ormecl. Not one of the heavysgrievances of which ht had com . plained had been inquired into. Lord liot.tr.sToNE thought that if theliouite aue. -fered an examination of this suojeet to p 4;.. other hands, they would fail in their duty. If, how ever, they should be induced by the arguments , of the ,Right Honottrable Gentleman to' rejeEt the motion for a Committee, he trusted, that .at least the Honourable Baronet near •him (Sir F. Burdett) would be One of the perscins appointed in theCoru mission . Mr: WILBERFORCE having known many instances, it) . w*h solitary cotihnemeut had been p l r oduClivo o ttus happiest etfeas,protested gcnea . conclusion unfavourable to that mode of imprison meot.from any abuse of it. He contended, that it 'was impossible to name more: able and honourable persons than those 'who were aPpointed by '•corne mission in the , year 1802, to examine into the state of the Coldbaih Prison, Mr. Hot.rosn stated the result of a visit, without notice, which be and five or six of his friends p:01 to the prison. He never saw morecleanlines s regularity within the walls of a place of the meat. sentence which had placed them there ; ment. Several of the prisoneri•complained t"- but nor 'one them complained of experiencing pity ill tretlt ment. • •-•; Mr. W. :SMITH Wished for the appointmen. of 3 tommittee, because it Was the Mere public 11 1 9d' i of investigation. He contended, that unless partl.r. feeling 4 had been allowed'very improperly to oVeo),i:. Fate. Mr. Aria would ItOt now be the Go vernor the prison. 'Mr. LEYcESTRR had never seen Mr. Aria but once, but in his opinion he was a man that wo most hardly treated, , gone, many years afV ( P it Omagh the prison, and every thing appeared to ..1 condnaed'as properly as lie had ever . :witnessed in a placemf. diet description. He was =VOUS thao the inquiry should be full , and that stria jostle should be rendered. *• * the ite Limy, Executive Government were pOrstung 9 _ Mr; tiszttti •as it had bei!fl'iltitliittid tbA t . th e 111°Ugiti it would beiticiviseable to await the res IL that trivestigatiOn. : be, )nvestigated by the subjea should • .Mr.' BRAND. W 35 CiegiTDUS that , Commission.' • • . •sible to Mr. H. Sotatata denied that it wys conchal any'person in the . Prison. The Plan a ', l o Prison was perfeetly uniform, and was snspnoe. a Committee tether than by.?, the first room into which any one who visited r t,,, Prison was admitted. • Committee would be ranch preferable toe Com:211. Sir J.'N'iweoavcontended,•that a Pa sion for the investigation of this subject. 'rho_ L"'".. i giStrates had paid nci deference to the authornY,, v l. the. former Commissitio, but he was convinced Hilt 0 1.11 10 • they would pay' deferenr to the authority rliantents.rY,_ House.. d The CHANCELLOR o f the EXCITRaiI,RR C his reasons fo r ,preferring a .Conanission to a oal mittee. on what subject a Committee * cou ld more proPou • - A Member, Whose name we did no. learn, be eniployed. Mr. WHITBRRAD concurred in•optmon par. HOD. Gentleman who had just sPbe n,, that b a c on ly liaMentary itivestigation of the subject was t .i.e one that could give sati,faction. Whether •th 0 , 00 putations on Mr, 'Aria were to their full extent4s4.3l, net, still by his '.own confession bre l'a d w i t h tho ur