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t IRISH POOR. (From'the Aberdeen Herald.) Mr. John Power, formerly editor of this paper, who has been employed as one of the Commissioners to investigate the state of agriculture in Ireland, and the situation of the poor, &c., has returned to London, having inspected eleven baronies in the counties of Dublin, Meath, Lowth, Kildare, Kilkenny, and Wicklow. The Reports of the whole of the Commissioners are in the press, and will shortly be published, after, being laid on the House of Commons. The evidence is very voluminous, and, with the Reports, will form a huge mass of highly interesting mat ter, and exhibit, beyond contradiction, the wretched con dition of the suffering Irish. The mode of pursuing the inquiry in each barony (generally a district of eight or ten miles in diameter) was by giving notice , by written invi tations and placards, that a public court of inquiry would be held on stated days, to learn the condition of the agri cultural community and the state of agriculture, at which all classes were invited to attend. There were put to them 718 questions, which any one present was at liberty to answer. If contradictory or unsatisfactory replies were given, other questions were put, to sift and elu c id a t e the point. In this way , the sittings continued from 12 till five o'clock during six days : and a week or ten days after was occupied to go round and examine the barony, both as to the condition of the farmers and labourers, and the state of practical agriculture. Our correspondent, who was present a t some o f the ex aminations in the Courts, describes them as the most extra ordinary that can be imagined—sometimes ludicrous and amusing, and at others, painful and distressing beyond description ; at times full of wrath and fury, from differ ences between Orangemen and Catholics, landlord and tenant, and labourers and their employers, when touching chords which vibrated from feelings roused by the recol lection of petty tyranny, oppression and misery. The audience consisted of noblemen, gentlemen, magis trates and other resident proprietors and gentry, farmers, labourers, and all who chose to attend. It frequently re quired the interposition of the Commissioners to protect the farmers and labourers (when giving evidence) against the attempted bullying and intimidation of Orange magis trates and grandees, and to threaten to report their con duct to the Government, and to have them struck off the list of magistrates. Many of the poor wretches, who had been so little accustomed to have justice done them, on finding that they were now to be protected from the bully ing of their tyrants, could not help expressing their satis faction. They saw that, for the first time, they would be listened to, and hoped that justice would be done to them by these inquiries into their wretched condition, and be put on a level, in the eye of. the law, with their Orange op pressors, who had so long " crowed" and reigned over them, omnipotent, even on their own dunghills. ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. The House of Lords, like that of the Commons, usually adjourns from day to day, except on Fridays, when it ad journs till Monday. At Easter, however, both Houses ad journ for nearly a fortnight, and, if it appear proper to the Members, they may adjourn either of the Houses for any period they think proper. When Sir Robert Peel's Ad ministration was dissolved in April last year, both Houses were adjourned for a month, in order that time might be af forded to the Members of the Ministry, in the Commons, to be re-elected, and the Administration consolidated. An adjournment, however long, makes no alteration in the state of measures before the House ; on its again meeting they are taken up at the particular stage in which they were left. It is different when a prorogation takes place. All bills and measures, however far advanced through the House, fall as much to the ground as if they had never been before it. The King has no right to ad journ the Lords any more than the Commons, it can only be done by the Lord Chancellor, or Lord Keeper of the Great Seal, with consent of the House ; but his Majesty can, whenever lie pleases, prorogue the House, and there fore his private wish, on any occasion, for an adjournment, has only to be known to be complied with. Both Houses usually, but not always, adjourn at the same times and for the same periods ; but the one has no influence over the ether in this or in any other respect. The King may order Parliament to adjourn to any place he pleases. It is a mis take to suppose it must always meet at Westminster.— Recolleetifuts of the House of Lords. FRENCH CORN AVERAGES. ThP f arc the average prices of wheat in France. at the of NI arch i i each yerr, during- the undermentioned 17 years, from 1820 to 183,3, the whole rcducLd into EngliA measure and money : Per Heeto'.i tre. f. c. .. 16 54 1x66 Per Quarter, 1 "20 1.;21 1 .25 . m:211 1 27 1 -.2S s. d. NI, ;1 to 37 11 12 9 32 3 41 8 13 lii I s;'i j.) 25 7 :3:3 7 34 10 .37 n) Si 31 72:2 26 -19 J ); 1 '2.29 1330 I 83 I I 3f.33 N 35 15 4'i 35 5 The average of the whole period is 17f. 78c. per hectolitre, which is equal to 40s Bd. per quarter. To compare the aver , ..2, , e prices of wheat in France with those of England and Wales, it is necessary to add :10 per cent. to the latter, for difference it, the quality of the wheat, and the difference in the mode of taking the averages, and, it then appearing that the average price of wheat in England and Wales for the six weeks ending the Ist instant is 445. 7d. per quarter, this, with the addition of 20 per cent., makes 535. 61. ; and the average price of wheat in France at the same period being 355. sd. per quarter, it follows that wheat is 51.06 per cent. dearer in England than in France. 21 Id f , ;.; 14 :15 35 a, i": 0 4 ;) 32 11 833 SHOCKING TM URDER.—A tinker named Butler has been committed to Cork gaol, charged with the murder of his wife. lie is suspected of the murder of another tinker named Sullivan, and it is supposed he got rid of his own wife in order to marry the wife of the latter. T is British Legion has certainly nothing to thank General Cordova for ; whil e th e c l a i ms h e h as to the grati tude of his country will be considered very low by the impar tial observer of passing events. General Cordova, who has scarcely attained his 38th year, is unquestionably a man of coasirable talent, but of that order of mind superficial rather than profound, which, with peculiar tact, appropriates as its own the profundity of others. Under a fascinating polish of exterior and an air of military frankness, he conceals the most restless ambition and a spirit of consummate intrigue, which, fertile in resource and flexible in varying its means, has en abled him, while directing the operations of the army in the north, to direct at the same time the manoeuvres of a strong party et Madrid, of which he is the head. His political opi nions are notorious. One of the warmest partisans of the des postismo illastrado, Cordova has become a Liberal, par ton, rather than par sentiment. His liberalism dates from the pe riod of his diplomatic mission to Portugal. Appointed since to the command of the army, he has carried into the camp all the wiles of diplomacy, and has filled the army with his crea tures. The game which he has been playing has been a deep one. While opposing the Carlists in the north, he closely watched the movements of the Exaltados in the south, from the conviction that the extinction of the Carlists would insure the Movement party in power. This party Cordova hates with all the rancour of political animosity. Rather than see this party in power, he would, to-morrow, make common cause with the more moderate section of the Carlists. Hence the Fabian policy he has pursued in the field—hence his dislike to the Legion, a force that he feels, if brought into play, would inevitably, by its operations, thwart his treacherous policy—hence all the resources of his talent for intrigue were called into play to lower it in the estimation of the Spanish nation, and to compromise its military character, in which he has well nigh succeeded. But one of those unexpected events which often sport with the most profound combinations has, at the eleventh hour, foiled him ; this was the despatch, re ceived lately, from Lord John Hay, the commander of the British naval forces on the coast of Cantabria, announcing that he ha'd received orders from his Government to co-operate actively with the forces of the Queen. To Cordova this in telligence—delighted though he pretends to be—has been a death-blow. Events are now beyond his controul, and he already sees the necessity of changing his line of operations, the first indication of which has been a well-feigned sympathy for the sufferings of the legion, formerly with him a subject of derision, and complimentary remarks upon the military ap pearance of the troops. LOVE AND MURDER.—At the Assize Court of Ardeche, France, Justine Pcssel, a young woman, aged 25, appeared before the Court, charged with having murdered her lover. The prisoner answered all the questions put to her by the President without the least reserve, and entered volun tarily into the details of the horrid affair. The manner in which she described the infliction of the fatal wound, the an guish of her victim, and the heartfelt sorrow which she now experienced for what she had done, affected most of those present, even to tears. She stated that they had a serious disagreement, and she resolved to kill him ; but his caresses had restored her love, and she abandoned the wicked thought. He was lying beside her asleep, when she reached for some thing from a basket, which disturbed him, and he spoke an grily to her. Then returned all her feelings of resentment. " I felt," she said, " under an irresistible influence which urged me to the commissio n of the crime which I had before contemplated. He turned round, and again went to sleep. I pictured to myself Jamet (her lover) marrying Marie Ann Giraud (a girl of whom she was jealous), and this thought filled me with madness. I called to him to take me in his arms, to assure me of his fidelity, but he slept on, and regarded not my words. I then took up the knife [The pri soner here fainted, and fell senseless on the floor.] The Jury were called upon to give their verdict, when they found her guilty of homicide, but without premeditation, and under ex tenuating circumstances. (Continued from our First Edition of Yesterday.) The vote of James Quigley was objected to by the pets tioners,as coming within the class decided by the resolution of the Committee. Mr. Aus'rEN denied this, whereupon the Learned Gentle man raised an ingenious argument on the extent to which the doctrine of presumptive evidence could be pushed; and the Committee having deliberated, came to the following resolu tion :—" That no sufficient evidence has been adduced to con nect James Quigley with the house alleged by Johnston to have been in arrears, and that, therefore, the vote must be al lowed." The Committee then adjourned till eleven o'clock this day. OMMITT IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, APRIL 14. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on tho Woolsack, at tre usual hour. The Arbroath and Forfar Railway Bill, ar.d others on the table, were forwarded a stage. On the motion of the Marquis of SALISBURY, the Bir mingham and Gloucestershire Railway Bill was read a second time. ..... The Duke of CUMBERLAND presented a petition from the Mayor, Sheriffs, and Common Council of the City of Dublin, against the Irish Municipal Corporation Bill. Sir A. L. HAY and others from the Commons, brought up the Dundee and Forfar Railway Bill, and some other Bills. 1 ' i THE GREAT SEAL. There is nothing of which one hears so frequently, or of which so little is known, as the Great Seal. The state ment, so often made in giving an account of the proceed ings in the Upper House, of the Lord Chancellor carrying it before him, is altogether a fiction. His Lordship merely carries before him a bag in which it is deposited when he receives it from the King, or when, on his re tirement from office, he delivers it up into his Majesty's hands. This bag is embroidered with tassels of gold, silver, and silk, beautifully worked together. His Majesty's arms are on both sides. The bag is about twelve inches square. The Great Seal is made of silver, and measures seven inches in diameter. It is in two parts, and is at tached to the letters patent by a ribbon or slip of parch ment inserted at the bottom of the instrument through a slit made for the purpose. The ends of the ribbon or parchment are put into the Seal, and the wax is poured into an orifice left at the top of the Seal for the purpose. The Seal is one inch and a half thick when fixed to receive the wax. The impression of the Seal is exactly six inches in diameter, and three quarters of an inch in thickness. The obverse represents the King on horseback, habited in a flowing mantle, holding a marshal's baton in his right hand ; in the back ground is a ship in full sail, surrounded with the legend Gulielmus Quartus Dei Gratia Britan niarurn Rex. Fidei Defensor ; under the foreground of the figure is a trident within a wreath of oak. The re verse represents the King crowned, and in his coronation , robes, holding the sceptre and mound seated in St. Ed ward's Chair ; on his right hand is Britannia, Peace, and Plenty,; on his left Neptune holding his trident, Reli gion and Faith ; over the head of the King are the arms of England surrounded with palm leaves, and under his feet a caduceus, the whole within a border of oak leaves and acorns. On every new accession to the throne a new Seal is struck, and the old one is cut into four pieces and deposited in the Tower. The die for the present Seal was struck by Mr. Benjamin Wynn, and is allowed on all hands to be unrivalled as a work of art.—Random Recollections (1 the House of Lords. DIGNITY and GRAVITY of the PEERS The scenes of confusion so common in the other House, are of very rare occurrence in the Lords. in the latter place, one's cars are never assailed by the zoological sounds so frequently to be heard in the Lower House. The art of cock-crowing has yet to be learned by the Peers ; nor have any of their Lordships yet afforded evi dence of possessing the enviable acquirement of braying like a certain long-eared animal, yelping like a dog, or mew ing like the feline creation. You hear no sounds in the Upper House resembling those emitted by a Scotch bag pipe or an Italian hand-organ. There are no ventrilo quists there ; if you wish to see exhibitions, and hear sounds of this descriptions, you must descend to the Lower House, where you cannot fail to form a very exalted opi nion of the talent's of the principal performers. In the Lords, the triumphant party never even cheer, in the usual acceptation of the term, however great the vic tory they have achieved over their opponents. The an nouncement of the result of every division is heard in un broken silence. In the course of the debates—however high party feeling may run on each side of the question— you never witness any other demonstration of that feeling than in an occasional " Hear, hear !" Or it may be, your ears are greeted with cries of " Order, order !" from the opposite side, when any Member is transgressing, or is sup posed to be transgressing the rules of the House, either as regards the respect due to some Peer individually, or to the House in its collective capacity. You are struck with the gravity which usually characterises the proceedings in the Upper House. The contrast will appear singularly striking, if you have been in the other House in some of its more noisy and uproarious moods. The gravity, indeed, of the proceedings in the Lords, often verges on dullness; still you cannot fail to be struck with the superior talents and business habits of their Lordships.-L-Random Rccollec• Lions of the House of Lords. SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. VESSELS ENTERED INWARDS AT TEIF, CUS TO AI-HOUSE, APRIL 14... The Earl of Liverpool, Lomax, from Ostend; Tale, Tiereke, Dantzic ; Frederick Wilhelm, Voltz, Dantzie ; First Harden burg, Mille-r, Stettili ; Maria Theresa, Haydemann, Stettin ; Frederick Louise, Voltz, Stecttin ; Augusta, Seeger, Stct tin ; Charlotte, Mays, Antwerp and Flushing ; Diana, Nonij, HaruburgH Sinninerins, Bic, Gottenburgh ; Crown Prince Frederick, lialderi, Gotteilburgh ; Hope, Wyatt, Lisbon ; Masen Dorothea, Branholdt, Norway ; Hero, y Saul, St. chael's ; Constance, 13rellevellirs, Cherbourg ; Gesina, Zluu tendan:, Amsterdam ; Dolphin, Dretrieeksen, Saumerancl ; Commerce, Gaukcrna, Brussels : Prince Christina Augusta, Gntlichen, Frederiekstadt ; Adelheult, Von Hagen, Bremen ; Cullberg, Braherstadt. ENTERED OUTWARDS FOR LOADING, APRIL 14. The Anne, BUrgess, for Tobago; London Merchant, Stra nack, Rotterdam ; Batavier, Dunlop, Rotterdam ; Alexander, Diet, Lubeck; Juma, Purvia, Cape of Geod Mope and Ba tavia; Earl Bathurst, Kennedy, Hamburgh ; John Bull, Corbin, Hamburgh ; Liverpool, Hepburn, Lisbon and Gibr,.l - ; Lord Hawkesbury, Overton, Ostend; Manuel, De Au dricoupca, Cadiz and Malaga ; King George, Garner, 0- tend, Bruges, and Ghent ; Francis, Fleming, Marseilles; Tourist, W hitcombe, Antwerp ; Harriet, Payton, Trinidad. CLEARED OUTWARDS WITH CARGO, APRIL 14. The Rhoda, Paul, for Naples; Blossom, Talbot, Ostend ; Tourist, Whitcomb, Antwerp ; Amity, Barton, Dunkirk ; Mary, Lowther, Guernsey and Jersey ; Cragever, Ray, Syd ney, New South \Vales ; Bachelor, Ellis, Cape of Good Hope and Algoa Bay ; Orion, White, Madras and Calcutta. CLEARED OUTWARDS IN BALLAST, APRIL 14. The Allandale, Alcock, for Quebec ; Long, Atkinson, Quebec ; Le Auron, Josephs, Gravelines; Patriot, Denni son, Riga. ARRIVED AT LIVERPOOL, APRIL 13. The Portensia, Bleasdale, from Lagua; Cecilia, Bog, Co penhagen. ENTERED FOR LOADING, APRIL 13. The Ceres, Thompson, for Berbice 7 • Okenburg, Rees, Bergen ; Brenda, Ord, Dantzic • Paddy, Way, Hayti ; Maria, Carr, Newfoundland ; St. Mark, Holmes, New York ; Borthwiek, Pernambuco; Wellington, Kerruish, Ramsay ; Unity, Muir, Riga. . . _ CLEARED OUTWARDS, APRIL 13. The Palmurus, Ashford, for Jamaica ; Reform, Selkirk, Cape of Good Hope ; Sovio, Brander, Elsincur ; Frameling, Dile, Elsineur ; Amity, Dethon, Riga; Hope, Wood, Quebec; Albion, James, Syra, &c. ; New Orleans, Cole, New York ; Fisher, Sewell, Newfoundland. TELEGRAPHED. Off Holyhead, inward bound, the Elizabeth, from Africa ; Barbadian, from Barbadoes. Off Point Lynas, inward bound, the Betsey and Superb, from Jamaica ; the Princess Victoria. AN IMPERIAL SURGEON.-Peter the Great of Russia not only studied but actually practised the healing art. In 1698 he studied anatomy in Leyden, and subse quently in Amsterdam, under the celebrated Ruysch. He at tended the lectures on anatomy given by Bidloo in Moscow, and was often present at the dissections; and it is reported of his zeal that he ordered the dissection of a half-witted page, who had died drunk, to be postponed till he could attend in person. His attention was particularly directed towards monstrous formations, and he ordered all that could be col lected in the empire to be brought to St. Petersburgh; hence the immense number which are still to be seen in the Mu seum. He did not confine his studies to the theories alone, but was himself a practical surgeon, and always carried about his person two pocket cases, the one containing mathematical, the other surgical instruments. The latter was furnished with lancets, tooth-forceps, a saw-knife, a spatula, a pair of scis sors, &c. He gave orders that he was previously to be in formed of any remarkable operation, either in public or pri vate ; and, if it were possible, he attended and assisted in the performance. All the minor operations, as tooth-drawing, bleeding, bandaging, &c., he continually performed himself. A merchant who had an abscess in the foot was cured by the Emperor, who himself made an incision, and the operation was successful; but the circumstance coming to the know ledge of the Duchess of Mecklenberg, who had a similar die ease, she left the city in post-haste for fear of his assistance. The chef d'oeuvre of his operations was the paracentesis at - dominis, which he performed upon a merchant's wife, who had resisted the advice of her doctors, and would not submit to the operation. This coming to the ears of the Emperor he visited her, and persuaded her to let him perform the opera tion himself. In the presence of the faculty he drew off twenty-four pounds of water ; but the operation was performed too late, and the patient died, ---From the British and Foreign Medical Review, April, 1836. HUMAN LIFE SHORTER THAN FORMERLY.— In the letters of the late Mr. Sadler, a curious calculation is made, which runs strangely counter to the generally received impression, that human life is now of longer du ra tion than formerly. He mentions that, in the manufacturing the mean duration of human life, calculated upon the districts,mortuary re gisters of 1 830 , 1831, and 18 32, and maki ng no deductions for the ravages of the small-pox in former times, is less than it was in the corresponding years half a century ago. This he illustrates by tables of the deaths in Leeds, in the years just mentioned, and in 1780, 1781, and 1782, which appear to support his assertion. The cause is ascribed to " the delete rious nature of the present system of employment and labour, and the consequent habits and condition of the people." '~ • ~•. ~. Til E SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY, APRIL 15, 1836. OBSERVANCE OF THE SABBATH. The Bishop of LONDON presented petitions from Ber mondsey, and other places, in favour of the due observance of the Lord's Day; and one from Derbjgo the same effect, and praying for the introduction of a clan la (to prevent Sun day travelling) in all Railway Bills. ABOLITION OF CAPITAL PUNISHMENT. The Right Rev. PRELATE then presented a petition from Bury St. Edmunds, praying for the abolition of capital punish.: anent in all cases except wilful murder. - The Bishop of CHESTER presented a petition from Ches ter to the same effect. _ ARBROATH AND FORFAR RAILWAY. The Earl of HADDINGTON presented a petition from the trustees of a turnpike-road, against the Arbroath and For far Railway Bill ; and two petitions from individuals to the same effect. PRISONERS' COUNSEL. The Earl of BEAUCHAMP presenieciai;tition, agreed to by a very full bench of magistrates, against the Prisoners' Counsel 13111. IRISH CORPORATION BILL. The Duke O f - - lIsigTER presented a most numerously signed petition from the citizens of Dublin, in favour of the Irish Corporation Bill. Lord LYNDHURST presented a petition from the Com missioners of Paving and Lighting of Bristol, complaining that by the Municipal Corporation Bill their powers had been taken from them, and praying that they might be pro tected by some clause in the Amendment Bill. Also one from the owners and occupiers of land in the parishes of Wigan and Kearsley, praying to be put in the same condition as other rural districts with regard to the Municipal Reform Bill.—( Hear.) Also one from the Attornies and Solicitors of Nottingham against the probate clauses'of the Ecclesias tical Courts' Reform Bill. WAR IN SPAIN. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY, in rising to present a petition, said he would take the opportunity of asking a question of the Noble Viscount at the head of the Government. Since the question bad been before the House upon a former occa sion, the war in Spain had assumed a very different as pect—he wished to know whether the letter purporting to have been written from Santander, on the 4th of March, by Lord John Hay to General Cordova was true, in fact, and if so, whether it, had been written by the instructions of the Government? Also whether, such being the case, there would be any objections to the production of the instructions ? Lord MELBOURNE had no doubt but the report was correct. The matter rested with the Admiralty, and he had no doubt there would be no objection to the production of the instructions, if there were any. . _ _ The Marquis of LONDONDERRY gave notice that he would to-morrow move for a copy of such instructions. Lord MINTO—We have no such instructions ; we cannot produce them. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY would also ask for a copy of Lord Palmerston's despatch of the 10th March, rela tive to the 27 Carlist prisoners. He thought that letter did the Noble Lord honour, but he was afraid that it. came too late, for by the commercial advices which had arrived in the city, he was informed that a vessel had sailed from the port in which they had been confined, and had touched at Porto Rico without cargo. He wished to ask whether any information had been received upon the subject. Lord MELBOURNE said some despatches had been re ceived, and he believed would shortly be laid upon the table. MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS BILL (IRELAND.) The Marquis of LONDONDERRY presented a petition from the Mayor and Citizens of Londonderry, against the Irish Municipal Corporation Bill. The petitioners complained that Londonderry, with a population of 30,000 had been placed in Schedule C, while Kilkenny, with a population of 6,000 less than Londonderry, had been placed in schedule B of the Bill: The Noble Marquis said he would on this occasion draw the attention of the Noble Viscount to the disturbances that bad taken place in Dublin, and the destruction of the statue of William 111. ; and he could not help adding, he was sorry to see such an apathy on the part of the Government to what was going on in Ireland. _ _ _ Lord MELBOURNE denied the Government looked on with indifference to what was passing in Ireland. With re spect to the petition the Noble Marquis bad presented, he (Lord M.) was very glad to hear it, and when the Bill came to be discussed, he had no doubt they should find in the Noble Marquis a strenuous defender of the rights of the city of Londonderry, and all the other Corporations in Ireland. The Martyis of LONDONDERRY should certainly do everything in his power to oppose the Bill in all its stages. The Noble Marquis then presented a petition from certain officers of the Corporation of Dublin, praying for compensa tion in case that House should pass the Irish Corporation. Bill. A NOBLE LORD, whose name we could not hear, presented a petition from the Marquis of Donegal, praying to be heard by Counsel against the same Bill. CONSTABULARY FORCE OF IRELAND. The Earl of HADDINUTON, in pursuance of the notice which he gave on Monday, moved for certain returns relating to Oe expense and strength of the existing police force of Ire land, and a similar return of the expense that would be incurred under the Bill before the (louse.—Ordered. RAILROADS. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE gave notice that he would move to-morrow that this House do agree to the reso lutions communicated by the House of Commons respecting railroads. KINGSTON AND SELBY RAILWAY. Admiral ADAM and other Members of the House of Com, mous brought in this Bill, which was read a first time. MUNICIPAL ACTS' AMENDMENT BILL. The LORD CHANCELLOR moved the second reading of this Bill. Lord LYNDHURST raid, from the nature of the present Bill he thought its details could be much better considered in a committee up stairs. He therefore begged to move that it be referred to a Select Committee. Lord MELBOURNE bowed assent. The following Peers were then named as the Com mittee :—the Lord Chancellor, the Earl of Shaftes bury, Lord Ellenborough, Baron Langdale, Lord Abin _veryfo ,nLrti Lo Lord theLyndhrd Lyndhurst, dent, Earl Viscount Ripon, Melbourne, Devon,Lord rd Wharncliffe, Lord Somerville, Earl Rosslyn, Earl Radnor, Earl Burlington, and Lord Holland. The Committee to,meet on Tuesday next. MESSAGE FROM THE COMMONS, Mr. BERNAL and others from the Commons brought up a copy of the Report from the Committee for ascertaining the best mode of obtaining information respecting railways. The House then adjourned. Earl Grey took his seat this evening for the first time this Session, and was cordially welcomed by Noble Lords on both sides of the House. His Lordship first had a tete-a-tete with the Bench of Bishops, after which he gradually went down past the Treasury Bench, and sat where Lord Brougham usually sits. There Lord Lyndhurst joined him, and sat for some time in pleasant conversation with the Noble Earl. Soon after several other Noble Lords paid their respects to the venerable ex-Premier, who, we are happy to say, looked in exceedingly good health. HOUSE OF COMMONS, APRIL 14. The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock. Mr. A. TREVOR presented a petition from the Marquis of Londonderry, praying to be heard by counsel against certain parts of the South Durham Railway Bill. The Hon. Mem ber also presented a petition from Durham to the same effect. Lord A. CON YNG HAM presented a petition from Can terbury, against the South-Eastern Railway Bill. Lord C. MANNERS presented a petition from Leicester, against the Midland Counties Railway Bill. EASTERN COUNTIES RAILWAY BILL. Mr. D. W. HARVEY presented two petittiitooifonns l,afnrovdemroynCnothgue geshall, in fav our o f thi s Bill. A s t h e Bill wou l d come on for a second re a di ng p resent l y , h e wou ld not ma k e any obser vationsm u uMr. us l on Ty . s i t g h Gn e Le presentation bpy stthe o oNw ofowners r presented and these occupiers line of road of this railway against the Bill. Mr. WILLIAMS presented four petitions from the owners of land on different parts of the line of road to the same P effect.etition Petitions were presented in favor of this Railway from 1,220 owners and occupiers of property on the line between London and West Ham ; from the Tower Hamlets, with 2 ,200 si natures ; by Lord Stormont , from Norwich, with 3,635 s'g g ln- tures ; by Mr. Praed , from the inhabitants of Yarmouth, and from the fishermen of Yarmouth ; by Sir C. Broke Vere, from Woodbridge, Beccl es, Bun gay , and Needham Market ; by Mr. Morrison, from Ipswich ; by Mr. Sanmdeornstohns,. Lordi from Colchester ; by Sir Joh n T y rrell, fro m Chelmsford ; b y M r. t Bramston, from Brentw ood ; b y Mr. Quintin Diek from Witham ; and by Mr. H all Dare, from Romford. , Sir C. B. VERE move d the second reading of th e Bill. An HON. MEMBER, w hose name we co u ld net learn, some Onegrounds the reasonwould d bevery much moved itvhhatoh G the li oßpidp.ll SOMERSETebd woulderead induce a sedu wishedcoone the House to s state dtimetohato to accededay six mo tion for reading the Bill that day six months. which pr esen t e d itself t o his e m ye i n n i d ng w a a ng s t o ha t t o h p e r h es e e ld n i t n a h p i e s t h it a io n n d a petition from property, d into law. y wh o o w thoef largeme asurepr o pa He had the h ono ur a few aggrieved a gentlemanif from a friend of his, a gentleman who would be seriously in convenienced by the Bill ( Mr. Fellowes) and he thought the House ought not to proceed in a hurry with the second read ing. He understood that a large number of landholders would be affected by its provisions, but the gentleman of whom he spoke would have cut off a reservoir of water which was most useful to him. It was impossible to remove the objections of the Committee, because if they attempted to deviate from the particular line in any particular, they would not have complied with the Standing Orders of the House. It was a common argument to say in cases of this kind that the objectionable clauses would be struck out in Committee, but so far as his friend was concerned that was impossible. He had a great right t o complain of a serious injury about to be inflicted upon him, for the line would not run through highways, but through his private demesne. Oh !it might be said that private inte rests should give way to the public convenience. He could not see that the advantage to the public was so great, or that the proposed line should be so exceedingly useful. He did not deny that Ipswich was an important town : he did not deny that Norwich was an important town. But what he meant to say was, that the commercial intercourse between them was not so great as to warrant them in making a line from London to Norwich by Ipswich. There was but one coach travelling on that road, and he was informed that the great majority of the tra vellers preferred a different route. In the prospectus put forth by the Company. it was stated to be the intention to raise 15,0001., by shares of 251. each, and it was stated as a boast that one-twelfth was subscribed on the whole line of the pro posed road. Now that fact showed the little degree of interest taken by the persons, whose benefit it was said would be promoted by the railway. In the list of the Committee he saw but one respectable gentleman of Norwich, and another of another place, upon it, and nine-tenths of the gentlemen were not resident in the neighbourhood. This was not a measure, so far as the traffic of Ipswich and Norwich was concerned, that could justify the sacrifice of pro perty which the undertaking would require. There was another objection to the Bill, the merits of which he would not then enter into. There was, he understood, another line of railway in contemplation, and without giving an opinion as to the comparative utility of either line, he thought, at all events, that this fact was a sufficient reason for delaying the second reading of the Bill until the facts should be investigated. Under these circumstances he must second the amendment. Mr. D. W. HARVEY rose and said, that the Noble Lord had asked why the supporters of this Bill, in moving the se cond reading, had said nothing in its defence ? His answer to the Noble Lord was, that if any observations had been made on such occasion it would be a departure from the usual course, and the Noble Lord himself would perhaps be the first person to stand up and complain of the irregularity. With respect to the Gravesend and Dover Bills, a most merciful intimation had been given by the Government, that these works, under no possible circumstances, could be allowed to go on. This intimation had the effect of saving the heavy expense which otherwise would have been fruitlessly incurred. The Noble Lord said that no evidence had been given of the utility of the undertaking ; but he (Mr. Harvey) would ask, was this the time for the production of such evidence ? If such a course had been pursued on the second reading of a Bill, that House itself would be turned into a Committee room, and the ordinary routine of business would be completely set aside. From his knowledge of the trade and population of the towns through which this railroad was to pass, he was perfectly convinced of its utility. The line itself was pecu liarly adapted for the construction of a railroad, it being a perfect level from Whitechapel Church to Norwich. What ever may be the demerits of the present line, let them be considered where all such objections should be considered—in Committee. If the claims of Mr. Fel lowes were so very great, he could not object to go before such a tribunal, for there was no very great reluctance on the part of Committees to throw the shield of their pro tection around the parks and pleasure grounds of private in dividuals. It was only the other day that a strong objection was raised to the Hull and Selby line, because it ran within half a mile of the choice country seat of a gentleman. He was not aware that the Noble Lord (Granville Somerset) bad opposed any lines that had been brought forward du ring the present session in such an incipient stage as the second reading.—( Hear.) Let the Bill be referred to a committee, and if Mr. Fellowes could make out a case for their interference, although he (Mr. D. W. Harvey) had not the honour to know him, no one would oppose the measure more strongly. The arguments of the Noble Lord were all directed to details of the measure, which were all to be consi dered in Committee, and there riddled and sifted. The Bill was one of the greatest importance to the agricultural coun ties of Norfolk and Suffolk, and it would be impossible for them to compete with the Northern Counties, which were at present so fruitful in railways, if they were not afforded the same facilities. The present measure, therefore, was not the offspring of choice, but the result of necessity ; and he trusted, therefore, the Ilouse would not allow the gill to be strangled in its present stage. Mr. WO ODH OU SE believed that the injury which would be inflicted upon Mr. Fellowes was of such a nature as not to admit of compensation. With respect to the arguments of the lion. and Learned Member opposite, all he would say was, that he, for one, entertained doubts whether any perma nent benefit could be derived from it. . . Mr. G. F. YOUNG was not going to say anything with reference to the _present measure, with the merits of which he was not acquainted. But a question had been raised, and it had been alleged that opposition to Bills of the present descrip tion was unusual. He did not think that such was the case; but even if it were, there were some cases in which the House would be justified for departing from such a prin ciple. There could be no objection to parties expending their capital in whatever speculations they pleased ; but they should not be invested with the enormous power of taking from other parties their houses and domains, whether they pleased or not, unless there was a strongly proved case of public utility. The House would most certainly not do its duty, unless they insisted upon having at least a prima facie case of a great public good, before they granted such extensive powers as were asked for by this Bill. Unless such evidence was be fore them, he thought they were not justified in giving power to any Company to invade the private dwellings of any one. Mr. El ERR IE S said if the House adopted the amendment which had been moved, it would place the parties in a diffe rent situation from that in which any other party had been put during the present Session of Parliament.—(Hear.) It was true it was moved, without any reasons given in its favour; but it was to be remembered that that had been the usual course during the whole of the Session.—( Hear, hear.) It . . pppeared that all the subscriptions had been paid up—that was a proof that the parties interested were satisfied with the pro ject, and he thought that the House acting now as it had hi therto done, would not do its duty unless they sent the the Bill before a Committee. It never bad been usual to reject a Bill of this kind on the second reading. Surely it was not to be thrown, because it was stated that the property of some gentleman was much affected ; by doing so upon the present occasion, the House would not be doing the same .justice to this Bill as they had done to others. The most respectable of his constituents were in favour of the measure, and therefore he objected to the opposition to the Bill—because it was unusual, uncalled for, and was not war ranted by the practice of the House. _ . Lord STORMONT, in presenting a petition from Nor wich, signed by 3,600, said that this showed that a large number of persons in that city were favourably disposed towards the Bill. There were two lines of railroad at present in contemplation in Norwich. Now, it was certain that two lines could never answer, and the House was to de cide which line should go on. For his own part, he should vote for the second reading of the Bill, reserving to himself the opportunity of considering which was the most advantageous lino of railroad. Sir J. TYR RE L L said that as he was a Member for the county, he must be allowed to make a few observations. If he should ultimately feel inclined to oppose the measure, his opposition would entirely rest upon private grounds. He had presented several petitions in favour of this railway ; and he was bound to say, that the two public meetings which were most numerously and respectably attended, the line through Col chester was the most popular. At the same time he mint be permitted to say that about a fortnight ago there had an op position sprung up along the line of road. He would at pre sent stand entirely aloof, but at the same time representing the county, he did not feel bound to offer any opposition to the second reading, or stand in the way of what was called public improvements. Sir E. KERRISON rose to offer his opposition to this measure; and he could assure the House that he did so, not on private, but on public grounds. This railroad was by no means necessary for public purposes, as at that very moment, as had been well observed by an Honourable Member who had preceded him, there was only one coach —or two at the very most—which travelled regularly on that road. Under these circumstances, therefore, and upon public grounds only, he wished to oppose this measure. If, however, the second reading should be carried, his opposition would cease immediately. Mr. O'CONNELL protested against this species of discus sion. —(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") If the Noble Lord (Lord G. Somerset) had proposed to refer this Bill to a Committee of the whole House, every man in it would rise and not suffer him to be heard, however much he might deserve it. Yet what were they now doing ? They might discuss the details of the Bill as if they were in a Committee of the whole House.—( Hear, hear, and cheers.) To this he most strongly objected. He concurred with those Gentlemen who said that private property ought to be sacred.—(Hear, hear.) No man in that House would go further than he would to protect private property from invasion, except in cases of unavoidable necessity. But it was in Committee that the petition of Mr. Fellowes ought to be inquired into, and when the question came again before that House, he (Mr. O'Connell) must have the clearest case made out before he would consent to invade private rights. But he did object to discussing them until after the ordinary method of the Committee had failed.—(Loud cries of " Hear.") That gentleman was no doubt a very respectable man, and he had very respectable advocates in that House ; but the same rule ought to apply to this Bill as to every other.—(Loud cheers.) This was a question of practical details, and ought to be left for a Committee.—( Hear. ) Mr. T. GLADSTONE wished to say one word relative to the manner in which the petition from Norwich in favour of this Bill had been got up. It was got up by the foul est means—by means of eating and drinking.—(Great laughter.) Every person who went in and put his name to the petition, got a good lunch.—(Renewed laughter for some time.) So much for the petition. He wished to say a few words relative to what had been stated as to that part of the line which crossed the river Lee. It was not in the power of the committee to alter that line, if they passed this Bill hi the pre sent session. He had already referred to the means by which petitions in favour of the Bill had been got up, and the means by which it had been introduced into that House were equally objectionable. It had been stated that part of the line passed through the park of Mr. Fellowes. Not only was not this gen tleman's consent asked, but he had not even notice of this rail road previous to the second reading. The parties who intro duced this railway had resorted to the most disingenuous con duct. Previous to the first reading of the Bill Mr. Fellowes had received no intimation whatever of what they were about to do, and he thus had no means of opposing it. But he (Mr. Gladstone) opposed this Bill on public grounds. The persons who had entered into this undertaking were distant s peculators—Norwich itself had hardly one share-holder ; at least he had only heard of one gentleman who had shares in this railroad, who was not totally disconnected with the county. The traffic on the line of road would not support any thing like a railroad—(Hear)--and they had already every advantage that could be afforded by a good sea navi gation. For these reasons he would most decidedly oppose this measure. - r ( Loud cries of " Divide.") Mr. MO RIZIS ON would not detain the House one moment. It was proposed that the line of road should pass beyond the plantation of Mr. Fellowes ; therefore he hoped the second reading would not be objected to. Mr. WILKE S rose amidst loud cries of " Question," and " Divide." He had but one word to say. The Hon. [Wern her (Mr. T. Gladstone) said that there was not a shareholder in the county of Norwich.—(Hear, hear, hear.) Now, he could assure the House that five thousand shares had been taken by the owners of property along the line.—( Loud cries of " Hear, hear, hear.") This was undoubtedly the best line of road that could be adopted.—(Hear, hear.) It passed through a rich, well-populated district, in which there were many improving towns, and he was quite sure that the House would feel that not one argument had been urged to induce them to adopt so harsh a proceeding as to reject the Bill on the second reading.—( Hear, hear.) The House then divided— For the second reading . 99 Against it v 2O Majority BRISTOL AND EXETER RAILWAY. On the motion of Mr. SANDFORD, the Bristol and Exeter Railway Bill was read a third time and passed. LEITH HARBOUR IMPROVEMENT BILL. The LORD ADVOCATE, as we understood, moved for an extension of time for bringing in this Bill. Sir GEORGE CLERK said a petition had been pre sented from the inhabitants of Leith a few evenings ago, complaining of an infraction of the standing orders in respect of this Bill. The majority of the inhabitants were opposed to the measure, and all they asked the Corporation to do was to postpone the Bill for one year, in order that time might be afforded for the consideration of the important mat ters which it involved. He trusted that the House would not sanction a departure from the rules which they had laid down, more particularly as the present Bill was opposed to the wishes of the great body of the inhabitants. Mr. HUME wished to know from the Hon. Baronet oppo site, whether he thought the House would be acting wisely in refusing to admit the parties to correct an error, when it was clear that correction would be of great advantage to the community. Sir G. CLARKE said that the error committed by the parties was not sending up persons to prove the allegations of the petition. He believed the majority of the people of Leith were against the measure, and that great advantage would arise from delay. The LORD ADVOCATE admitted that the parties had neglected to obey the Sessional Orders, but that neglect arose from a supposition that it was not necessary to produce witnesses, until the Bill came before the Committee. The question was whether for that small error the House would visit them so severely as not to allow the Bill to proceed further? He was in hopes that, without expense, the matter would be adjusted in a satisfactory manner. Mr. FE R,GUS SON trusted the House would grant the in dulgence required. Strangers were then ordered to withdraw. The House then divided— Ayes Noes 42 Majority —3s SHEFFIELD AND ROTHERHAM RAILWAY. On the motion of Sir G. STRICKL AND, the Sheffield and Rotherham Railway Bill was read a third time and passed. YORK AND NORTH MIDLAND RAILWAY. Sir G. STRICKLAND presented a petition from Thomas Boyse, Esq., against the York and North Midland Railway Bal.—Referred to the Committee. GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY. Mr. CL AY presented a petition against the Great Northern Railway, and gave notice that on Monday he should move that the Committee on that Bill be revived, or that it be referred again to the Standing Orders Committee. Sir J. GRAHAM presented a petition against the South Durham Railway Bill. Mr. HUME presented a petition from Charleville, against certain clauses in the Ulster Canal Bill. FLOGGING IN THE ARMY. Capt. BO L DERO begged to ask the Hon. Member for Mal don, whether it was his intention to persevere in the motion of which he had given notice on the bringing up of the Report on the Mutiny Bill. He (Captain Boldero) had consulted with several military men, who were of opinion, that after the victory that had been achieved last night, and after the promises that had been held out to them by the Government, and after the very full discussion the question had undergone last night, it would be injudicious to press the question further? Mr. L E NNARD (as we understood the Hon. Member) said the hopes held out by his Majesty's Government appeared to him unsatisfactory, and he was determined to persevere in his motion. FOREIGN CORN IN BOND. Mr. ROBINSON rose to call the attention of the House to the subject of which he had given notice. It was his intention to submit a motion relative to the manufacture of foreign corn into flour, for exportation. It was well known that at least six hundred thousand quarters of corn, and also a large quantity of foreign grain, for the last four years in bond, were undergoing a daily process of deterioration. It might be contended that this measure would be injurious to the agricul turists ; but he (Mr. R.) denied that such was the case.— ( Hear, hear, hear.) As there might be some opposition to his at once giving notice of bringing in a Bill on the subject, he would content himself merely with moving the appointment of a select committee. It might be urged that the present question could be better adjusted after the Committee on Agriculture had made its report ; but he (Mr. Robinson) doubted whether a fair report, without me ning anythini , invidious, could emanate from that Committee as regarded the subject of his proposition. He called upon all those Honourable Members who were favourable to the promotion of their mercantile and commercial interests to sup port his measure. It would have the effect of making Great Britain a general depot for the manufacture of all articles of con sumption for their colonies, instead of throwing it into other countries. The merchants were willing to agree to any restric tions that could be placed on them for securing the revenue on the home trade, and therefore he could not see how the Government could oppose his motion, which would bring a most valuable trade into the country. Let them not lose another year, for they had lost much valuable trade last year.—( Hear, hear.) At all events, it was most important that the House should decide the question.—( Hear.) He then moved that a Select Committee be appointed to consider the necessary restriction, for allowing foreign corn and flour to be warehoused for re-exportation. Sir E. COD RING TON had presented petitions on the subject last session. He was quite sure if the Government would consider the question, they would find that no harm would come from the measure, but much good. He had much pleasure in seconding the motion. The question having been put by the SPEAKER, Mr. P. THOMSON was sorry that the Honourable Mem ber had not specified more clearly what his motion was. He had understood that it was with reference to fo reign corn in bond, and he had now come forward with a motion on the subject of agriculture generally. He should treat this question on fair grounds.—( Hear, hear.) He would make no appeal to the fears of the landed interest, nor would he treat the subject with reference to any one in terest in particular, whether the colonial, the shipping, or any other interest. He did not think that the House ought to consent to the motion of the Hon. Member. His object in opposing the motion was two-fold. First, the subject would properly come under the notice of the Agricultural Comniittee, who would have to consider the many plans laid before them. Next, he had last year given the Hon. Member a pledge that he would consider the subject, and the result of his investiga tion, so far as he had been able to master the subject, was, that the result of the labours of any Committee that might be appointed would be to recommend that the object contem plated by the motion of the Hon. Member ought not to be carried into effect. The Hon. Member had not stated any specific plan. On the contrary, he found that the terms of his motion restricted the investigation of the Committee to what he himself would have no objection to-morrow to bring in a Bill to carry into effect. So far as the terms of the motion of the Hon. Member might be construed, he would have no objec tion to consent to what the Hon. Member asked for. He saw no objection to allowing foreign corn in bond to be ground in this country, and re-exported, if the parties who were the owners of the corn in bond would give security that all the flour so manfactured would be exported. He considered that this would so far be a benefit as it would give employment to the capital and to the machinery of this country. But he ob jected that the difficulty would be that English corn would be manufactured for exportation, and that foreign corn would be retained for consumption in England. If any such permission were given there ought to be every security afforded that the corn so manufactured into flour should be exported. In look ing to the Bill of 1824, to which reference had been made, he did not find that there was sufficient security afforded. That Bill provided that for every five bushels of wheat manufactured security should be given that 196 lbs. of flour would be ex ported. But then it was found that this regulation was very imperfect, for some wheat being of a finer quality would pro duce a greater quantity of flour, so that the proportion of flour would of course vary in its proportion to the quantity of corn. He thought the principle on which they should act would be to make this country as much a manufacturing country as possible, provided that in doing so they did not lead to fraud or suspicion of fraud.—( Hear, hear.) The Right Honourable Gentleman referred to the course the Govern ment had taken with respect to allowing the drawback on re fined sugar. From the chemical experiments which the Go vernment had caused to be instituted it was found impossible so to fix the duty with reference to the quantity of raw mate terial employed, as that more or less refined sugar would not be produced than the amount o f th e d raw b ac k ; and the result was, that he (Mr. P. Thomson) had provided for the refining of sugar in bond. He did not know whether the Bill of 1824 had been found satisfactory. He did not think that any good would result from the appointment of the Committee proposed by the Hon. Member. The appointment of such a Committee would lead to a great deal of unfounded expecta tion, and its labours must end in disappointment. He trusted that his Hon. Friend would* not press his motion. Should there be a feeling generally in favour of allowing foreign corn to be manufactured into flour, he should have no objection, provided that sufficient security was provided that all such flour would be exported. The Right Hon. Gentleman con cluded by stating his determination to resist the motion. After a few words from an Hofi. MEMBER, whose name we could not ascertain, Dr. BOWRING was opposed to all restrictions upon com semblies. The dependence of the army on the Crown could not be , upheld, and what was more, the well-being of the army itself could not be maintained, if these discussions were kept up night after night, for factious or popular purposes, in that House.—(Cheers.) It was allowed on all hands that the British army was the best disciplined and most effective in -----..-.r--------------------;",„„ an d yet, the world, notwithstanding the existence of floggi .9 strange to say, it was proposed to abolish flogging ..n n render it more effective.—( Hear, hear.) Now, I justice and fair reasoning, the lion. Gentlemen who abolition were bound to devise sonic effective substi i t ndis " . : order to keep up discipline, which they admitted A "5 selves with : yet, strange to say, they contented theca . co using with mere declamation against flogging- with P - m e mber a retnedy.—( Cheers.) The arguments of the degra' for Dublin were founded on the cruelty, on the feeling dation, of the punishment, and on the popular , „ g olly about it. The Honourable Member spoke as ne vehement spoke. He fancied grievances, he substituted , ~..0 assertions for true arguments, and spoke more eloquenttyr :30; ; o c r o d m e i n r o t n o logically.—( Loud cheers.) When the Hon. canted in so declamatory a straits on the sufferings of the t, but e a dier he should not dam up the current of his humanitY, should bear in his benevolent contemplation the incaleultnoblc.. sufferings of many others, which the punishment of Theßee i ' l ' the soldiery was calculated to prevent.—( Cheers.) ll°ll. by shed Member made allusion to the punishments inflicted Duke of Wellington in the Peninsula. The troops Pu nt li k e by order of the Duke of Wellington were raw levie s ' _ c i i t those of Colonel Evans, which the Gallant Colonel fon . to necessary to punish with no less severity : yet, sing: a Ga j.. Gal say, the ire of the Hon. Member was exhausted on th 0....... lant Duke, while he spared his friend Colonel Eva. was (Loud cries of " Hear, hear," and laughter.) But wilr t the fact as regarded the army of the Noble Duke ? At to commencement of the war on the march from Talaverault., Portugal, through a friendly country, the soldiers were 1 - 1. necessary to of the greatest excesses, which it was found ,_en to punish, and so salutary was the effect of the punishin ! e_ . e t e t that when those very troops afterwards marched° France, into an enemy's country, so orderly was their c ,r 7 e r l a n ds that they were looked on by the inhabitants rather as 1 Lien . The ~r a and protectors than invading foes.—(Cheers.) Member complained that corporal punishment was fit onlY ".' n a dog. But surely it was not more so than to shut a man up,' s cell like a wild beast, or send him, like a slave, to the gah e _Y„' or to the treadmill.—( Hear, hear.) He imagined there c.wse'l, few gentlemen in that House who were not flogged a s 7 5 , and at a period of life when their susceptibilities wer e 17f 0 acute, and they did not think themselves degraded in after a„ by it.—( Hear.) The evidence of officers and soldiers was “ against the punishment. Yet he did riot mean to deny t h , at t i t ' re pular opinion was deserving of a due degree of weight , ° Noble report, containing valuable evidence, had induced the :eh be Lord opposite to say—and it was a sentiment in urn', b a nd agreed— ,, If you abolish punishment to-day you ma i disemn your army to-morrow."—( Hear, hear. ) He had heard a des. parison drawn between the English and foreign a u x in we But if we removed from our army what they had must be must replace it by what they had. Conscription ami established, and tear the soldier away from his family said (so friends. All aristocratical pretensions must be abolish e eor offensive to some Hon. Gentlemen opposite), an d tbe son to the peasant and the son of the banker must be alike liable Ben serve. It was in 1834 that the Noble Lord (Lord W. d the tinck), the late Governor-General of India, first conee;:e„,ted plan of abolishing corporal punishment in India, and w o r i ee t h ; circulars to the officers to inquire into the possibility abolition, and every one of which officers, without an e‘, -t-lo tion, opposed it. On the 16th of February, 183 5 , the Noble meanidbc.vtuot.cee,tseo:d Lord prepared a minute to be laid on the table of the C° l3o , Board, stating the great difference existing between th e t gal, Madras, and Bombay armies ; but as there was „l e o no da ta c i show the constitution of the different armies, or the n t ,,„" a tioa discipline in each adopted, he determined thatsuch inf er " - he should remain with a recommendation from himself , for the fore nefit of his successors. On the 24th of the same mon th, h b e eeti e any further information could be obtained, and whe n en u t 16 414 of quitting the country, and contrary to his minute of be solo tti r i u o rae n tte . he abolished the punishment and rescinded his former re , ace r — di e %(. ba H yb e l ea ther-) step, bestl, n yh d i pc o ho i n s g hs ieb s l o fee t a h rme e od N t imv o ebi might e ,h tbLpuortrodvbeneo d ou bt . Z ll a o o li f a f a a tatrc°lls osc e ; quences. But in 1825 we had fatal experience in 106 1 army. It was in that year that a clause was first in .. t i r o m ass_ into the Mutiny Bill allowing imprisonment in cert ain er a IP instead of flogging. In the subsequent four or fiv e . i. Y n t e eat A had not the effect of diminishing the number of punis , . s / to In 1829 power was given to Regimental Courts-Ma.ntid ig imprison, according to certain regulations laid down' and 1830 a letter was issued from the Horse Guards most her e rially diminishing the punishment. Now, from 18 , 2 "„ O orty were in the army 98,944 men ; there were 4,70 n s t bere martial, and 1,737 corporal punishments. In 18291 and were in the army 103,746 m e n, 4,782 courts-mortis , e 0 1,748 corporal punishments. So that in four or fiv e loot there was no increase of punishment. But in the subeelbeec five years there were results from which no one could °their drawing an inference, and he thought all would make °P of JO,' minds, and cease to protest against the present s ystem - ri . re cipline. In 1829 the army consisted of 103,0 40 It 'ors 1834, of 103,063; in 1829, the number of punishrneni py 1,748, and in 1834, 963, making a saving of 700 corp er :7o. nishments ; but in 1829 the number of offences were and in 1834, 10,241. So that if we were to proceed 0~01 same ratio, and offences were to increase, a nd e r l t hea punishments diminish, in the course of ten years from thnhorr there would not be a man left of the .present arrny-- -( '"there l h le a a d r. b ) een h a t n ad in ci c i r ti e o a n se t o o f th 6 7 o f o a o ct pu t n h i a s t i ' l d m u e r n in ts g , th it is o p tig er b te r ci nt . o :l ‘: tile forgotten that the same individuals on whom p u nishrne n ; des • inflicted, inflicted some punishment also on their en r _t a the His Hon. and Gallant Friend who had brought forWa l ; a id motion had done it on the only ground upon which i - If be rationally entertained, namely, that of total abolitl e„- h . ouln abolition was necessary at all, itnecessary was that it , t ; pa be total. He did not, however, say therefore, from t " - w hela of argument he adopted, that the time might not em lie e d wit h corporal punishment might be abolished. He conet irr d a. bet, those that thought there might be a time for its eess, a ,;: n isbe'. not its extinction by the Legislature. It might be el t "troWP' in a far better manner. The present Ministers of the „ 0 Ar t in obedience to popular opinion, had previously: passe', - 0 ., the to pay twenty millions to save the back of the negro IT? h 50 1" lash. Let th€m act in the same spirit towards the $r et the dier, or their humanity would be laughed to scorn. P e ri t heir offences be to the soldier the greatest punishment, a n be ai di would then become gradually• of legislation. &Pi e t Lord W. BENTINCK defended the course be „ a prs to, extinct without t with regard to the native Indian army. He was nl a br, to say that, with respect to Madras and the army the re ' a wit'' been seven years resident there, and was well acqua hate bot h e it, as with Bengal, but in Bombay he had not been i ; se pol 9 ' knew that the army had among them 12,00 0 B en g a. ,, , of t h , e r That it, was from a profound conviction of the proprlet,d, and abolition of punishment of flogging that he ba d a t e e ntri ill that he considered the safety of the empire of this e s oot India mainly depended on the attachment of the rat' v at tach " and that lie believed nothing would tend so much to sbmeet and secure its allegiance as the abolition of this P T/l a ded te ' %te Lo s , With respect to the same indulgence not being.e the British army, he did not consider that discretion or s l m old nity required it. He saw no reason why 120,000 m en . n ot 0 continue subject to an infliction because 20,000 we r ' et jt' well behaved. He thought the censure applied wing:that bite We understood the Noble Lord to conclude by saYig t aork l did recommend the abolition of floggine - in the grit to o to the Board of Council, but that the.reason characters dationsl"- w as not attended to was that the charac there were of such an incorrigible kind. it nei til i o m f en su ts cl 7 a e s r s e e e rt q l ti o a n l , b h u e t w fo o r ul t d he re o f ff er en t c o e Mr. Sergeant TALFOURD contended that a , .. r i: pro° of t he P i lory, which, although a most infamous punishment,..s WO/ public opinion be made a triumph. On account of what e cni; the it was confined only to the crime of perjury, an d ; aces li sioned the abolition of the punishment for other o ,e_,_ e b r ene! then Member for Westminster, The Hon. the sentenced passed on a Gallant Officer, Lord l' u o f tlia'' ion be Gallant Officer (Sir F. Burdett) said on that occas id 00 the thought the punishment no disgrace, and be "' nth o f th is re side him while he endured it. While speaking .. 00 et o f Colleae that wish could not but cross his mind that that Hon. .az ~0 0, e re , , again present among them, reviving them with tbe hi t n ' a d n o ; that youthful eloquence for which the nation owe d eou ld 33 ,_„ el e a of gratitude that nothing could extinguish—that it b il d v, so repay. He was glad to find that some concessiol;l ,iOO it r. _ A made on this subject. He thought that in the inthe'l,„netiat' not the mercy of man, but another Mediator, that steri a sbes , ' Oral d that stayed the lash, which, instead of being two bu s, a n he should call one thousand eight hundred filed.e Ile 1 1; exhausted nature was often the sufferer's best arrive what ora juiced in the belief that a p er iod would speedilY o isilln e the disgraceful and de gra di ng s ystem of corpl pn : bed foil would be altogether abolished. r. ..., 1.5 ate Mr. C. BERKELEY denied that the sold ' ated bY at the abolition of corporal punishment, as had been st ficer , an Hon. Members who hadarguedin favour of it ' ice, an ate laughter.) He had been fifteen years in the s r l aee tini li i ., had had in that period opportunities of knovring the hi s asse t 0f,,00 - the soldiery. He would state one fact in sure against A - 0, tion. When a soldier committed any offence f his f ell ? 00,, rade, he was usually tried by a Court and JurY n__ ot eriet t- le soldiers, presided over by the senior private o _ s un ifor t tei i. corporal punishment of so severe a character w" resorted to, that the Commander- s ul tiina the' obliged to discontinue the custom by a eircu ~,,,,) res . 0 Horse Guards. On that fact he (Mr. C. BerkTia'yerse' that his assertion, that the soldiers themselves were n s u ro sa y, o a Commander-in-Chief Chief vil er froM te a if the whole British army were marched past corporal punishment—nay, he would go so fa r a !lous e ' 0 0 that .ority w orld 0 , beacclfloumnadn i w n a f s av directedt p o res g e i r v v e in b g is tohpeinion , a ri ta J er poral P power ° I. c geln be m nishent W . a l 1 , n- o or Mr. A KLE Y said th a t t o co ntend, as the lio of e el. ' or'. who spoke last did, that soldiers were in favo r n ~,e t be _,.. an d degr te u d to i t ' so ffi•• punishment, was to make a proposition so absu unable my sqeumitbelays.tonFislhoegdgiiitigshboaudldsobedesinubomrailtitseedd to any r e a . tec t the a' if had been told that that in one year alone 10,000 men were suh.j_ e a nd it s t rouo that was not a proof of its inefficiency for gnu The .• r e. eieney for evil, he did not know what was so -,__ A been ..rof the quantity of pu 0 Lash es NON duced, and that instead of 9,000, only 1,8 0 , f a ct. L . re' inflicted ; that was the true way of putting til e e d e r t P ' t wo less t ' - Phi s ' what happened within the last twelve months n b a n duced were n° scale ? Within that period there . ~e w oof s 50 . deaths from flogging in the neighbourhood ott, the that it Tt'at the 11 belief t rteo. —(Cries of no, and bear.) He maintains flOgb was He had examined the bodies, and it was his fu then 't el not been I A i men would be now living if they had . A f te r _ . A - • nishrnent 1.,.., were —(Hear.) So much for the reduced scale. , ht o ffen.e e ail a to the 6° said continuance of it would be at once unjustit had be en - anis l " disgraceful to the country. —( Hear.) o f this c ruel f,t, and the infliction of capital punishment for a SLIP Idler hif Hon. Members opposed to the abolition we _ Cotjedigerla o elect titue t hat some averse, to it. But let a general heir cun t e t morrow—let those Hon. Members tell t merit, that a large portion of the public Wel) Was quite stir from the hustings and he (Mr. Wa on tak e .P n ts 0