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ture of this article by machinery. The transiticn freee the delicate and ornamental to the ponderous and extensive steam machinery, which keeps at work some hundreds cf hands, making above 1,000 nails a minute, appeared to strike the visito s with surprise and admiration. The din of the immense number of machines working together rendering conversation almost impossible, induced the Marshal to observe that he could almost fancy himself amidst the war of British cannon, Instead of amidst the powerful and gigantic emblems of Eng land's power in peace. From hence the Mar , hal proceeded to Messrs. Turner and Co.'s button manufactory, where they saw another instance of Birmingham's wealth and industry. It being now half-past five o'clock, the Marshal expressed his wish to defer any further visits to the manufactures, and the party drove round the town, in order to give his Excellency some idea of its extent, and reached the Townhall about six o'clock. This immense building, which, we understand, is capable of con taining 7or 8,000 persons, was crowded to suffocation, and vast numbers who could not obtain admittance, were collected outside. Upon entering the organ gallery, the whole assem blage rose and greeted the Marshal and his friends with loud and repeated bursts of cheering. The Marshal took his seat in front of the gallery, and for some time formed an object of great interest to the vast multitude who were there assem bled. Mr. Joshua Seholefield, M. P., father of the High Bailiff, was introduced to the Marshal, and greeted him most cordially on his arrival in town. After one or two beautiful airs had been performed on the organ by Mr. Hollins, who presided, his Excellency, who appeared much fatigued, left the Hall amidst similar demonstrations of respect and attachment. THE DINNER. At half-past six o'clock, about 130 gentlemen, including the Marshal and his suite, and the officers of the 14th Dra. goons, sat down to a splendid dinner, provided by Dee of the Hotel. A military band, and a number of professional singers attended, and added much to the harmony and enjoyment of the evening. The gallery was filled with the ladies of the principal inhabitants of the town. After dinner— The HIGH BAILIFF, who presided, rose and said, that they had met there that evening, for the purpose of doing honcur to the Ambassador- Extraordinary of the King of the French, the gallant Marshal Soult.—(Cheers.) He felt confident that, on such an occasion, all patty politics would be studiously avoided.—( Hear, hear.) With these feelings, he begged td: propose the health of her M ejestv the Queen.—(Cheers. ) The toast was drunk with three times three, and all the honours. Air—" God save the Queen." The CHAIRMAN again rose and said the next toast he bad the honour to propose, had reference to the illustrious Sovereign whose representative had that day honoured them with his presence.—( Cheers.) If they might judge of the merits of the Monarch by the choice of his ambassador—and he knew of no criterion more decisive of the characters of sovereigns than the selection of their representatives. Louis Philippe was every way entitled to their respect and honour.—( Renewed cheers.) • He, therefore, called upon them to join with him in drinking most heartily the healt h of " Louis Philippe, the King of the French." Three times three.—( Enthusiastic cheering, acc o mpanied with " One cheer more.") Marshal Sotaer rose amidst renewed cheers, which con tinue-ea for some minutes. When the applause had subsided, his Excellency addressed the company , in French, to nearly the followin a effect :—" Gentlemen , I shall relate to my Sove reign, the King of the French, the kind manner in which you have drunk his health. Be assured that he is not insensible to it, because I know the marked and particular affection which he entertains for England, and more especially for the distinguished town which to-day gives to his representative so extremely flattering a reception.—(Cheers.) Who would not be sensible to the expressions of respect and esteem which you have shewn me ? lam not insensible to it ; and I wish I could sufficiently express the gratitude I feel fur it. The King of the French has especially directed my attention to your great town.—(Hear, hear.) He has spoken to me of your great industry—your high intelligence, and the extension you have given to all the arts and sciences. I know not whether the intercourse between your town and France is susceptible of extension, but if it is it shall be my most earnest wish to promote that object, for such communication must be mutually advan tageous to other countries.—( Great cheering.) Receive, gentlemen, on behalf of my Sovereign, the expression of my gratitude for the manifestations of which I have been par ticularly the object, and I beg you to be assured that the re membrance will never be effaced from my heart.—( Loud and vehement cheering.) The CHAIRMAN —Hiving done honour to the Governors of their respective countries, he called on them to join in driuking the health of the remaining branches of the Royal Family of England, including the illustrious lady who with so much dignity shared the throne of their late Sovereign.— (Cheers.) Without enumerating the many claims which these illustrious individuals had on their respect, he would give them the healths of " The Queen Dowager, and the rest of the Royal Family."--( Cheers. ) Air—" Hail star of Brunswick." The CHAIRMAN said he had now come to the toast for which be claimed all the honour, all the respect, and all the admira tion which they could award to the eminent character and talents of one of the most eminent and distinguished citizens of France.—( Great cheering ) In asking this he felt seta:- fled that he was not asking one jot more than they would readily and cheerfully grant.—( Hear, and cheers ) Ott the present occasion they were honoured with the company of an illustrious individual, once one of their most formidable oppo nents, but now he trusted and believed, in his heart, one of their truest and firmest friends.—( Immense cheering.) In the former capacity, the annals of Europe bear ample testimony that he was not more b rave an d d eterm i ne d t h an h e was h umane and magnanimous.--(Gr eat applause.) In his latter capacity they hailed him as the messenger of peace and perpetual al- Malice between the two greatest nations of Europe.—(Bursts of applause.) In both capacities they honoured him as the ,faithful friend of his country, and of mankind. The presence of Ole Gallant Marshal forbade his saying all he could wish— perhape in the few words he had already used, he had ex ceeded the bounds of good taste.—(No, no.) Be that as it Might, the resence of those he saw around him that night afforded a prom' that lie was entitled to their warmest respect and regard—(Heer, hear, and cheers.) He was sure they would pay that honour to him not the less warmly and not the less sincerely that he had been converted from one of their most strenuous opponents to one of their most fervent and enlightened friends.—(Much cheering.) He would give them, with every sentiment of personal respect for the gallant Marshal, " the health of his Excellency Marshal Soult, Duke of Dalmatia." The toast was received with loud and general cheering, which lasted a considerable time. Marshal SOULT then rose, and the cheering was again re newea. He said—Gentlemen, I thank your President for al lowing me another occasion to express to this honourable as sembly the sentiments with which I am really oppressed.— ( Hear, hear.) I felt elated a ith pride arid glory on the day cm which I learned that the King of the French had deter mined to send me to this country to represent him at the coronation of her Majesty Queen Victoria. These senti ments I have felt still more strongly when I landed oil the shores of England. The manifestations of waieh I have been the object have attached me most deeply to your Country, and I shall cherish their recollection all the days of my life. The honours I receive at this moment touch me the more deeply and sensibly, because they only confirm the opi nion I had always entertained of the greatness, the hospitality , Sand the m agna imity of the English people.—(Great cheer inj.) For many years past I have highly esteemed the Bri tish nation. I have learned to respect them and appreciate them the field of battle.—(Tremendous cheering.) I found yesw great commander,_the Duke of Wellington, a generous euemy, although we fought against each other for many years._( Hear.) I recal the remembrance of that period with pride, and 1 now speak those sentiments in the midst of You as friends, because' I feel that there was nothing of personal anitno timesity I between us in that war. — ( Cheers . ) At the pre sent present myself to you under a different character. I Come as the bearer of wade of peace ; and that peace, if my wishes can accomplish it, will Lest eternally. From hencefer - Ward th ere i s no possibility of a was between France and Eng land. A perpetual alliance has been established between them, so that in future there shall be no rivalry between the two nations but in the arts of peace. They are too closely connected as neighbours, and have too many interests in common to disturb that peace, and fur my part I wish that they may become more intimate every day, and that the most sincere friendship may be established between them.—(Cheers.) It is with these feelings that I accept the manifestation of which France has been the object, and of which the greater portion has been directed more particularly to me. Permit me in conclusion to drink the health of the army of England, and also the i e ,ealth of the navy. I therefore, drink the health of the army and' navy united.—( Great cheering.) The: toast was drunk with all the honours. Colon,el NAPIER being called upon returned thinks. He felt mueh pleasure in acknowledging the compliment paid • ,to the British army, although he knew not whether he ,nad a right to address them. He knew not whether - ne was the oldest officer of the British army present, and he knew he was by no means the ablest. Great as were the merits of the British army, and victorious as they always had been all over the world, he had never yet met with asreater compliment than had been paid to it to-night.— (tl edr.) It had been complimented by one of the best judges , because he was one of the greatest Commanders the world a sever produced.__ Much cheering ) For his own part, he feat it impossible to express the feelings he entertained in ten is adequate to the occasion.—( Hear, hear.) In the name ° l l ll tine officers of the British army then present, he begged to , anke he illustrious Marshal for the honour he had done them, and L for the generous manner i n w hi c h he bad spoken of them, h'e trusted these acknowledgments would not be con sidered the' less sinc ere b ecause th e y were brief. He could not let slip the present opportunity of declaring that no com pliment paid to the British army, much as he loved it and dear as its honour was to him, could give him half the satisfaction and delight he had experienced at the generous and enthu siastic manner in which they had been received in every part of the country they had vieited, and the cordial greeting which had everywhere greeted the gallant and distinguished corn , mender then sitting at their tahle.—( Vehement cheers.) It was a most English greeting. It proved that they were still the same men as of old—that they were the same men who would strain a friend to their breast, with as much force as they would repulse a foe.—( Hear and cheers.) But be viewed it in a still higher light, and he would say, that the enthusiasm which had greeted the gratification expressed by his Excel !tveY, in such noble, free, and dignified language, was to be has led as a sign and a testimony, that all their evil thoughts..., all their ill-blood—and all their ancient feuds were buried in oblio i nn.—( Vociferous cheering.) England and France, these L,wo great nations—he knew not whet was i s th e wom b °f time, and hereafter other nations might eval or surpass them —were in learning, genius, courage, power, and r eputation, unrivalled in the world.—(Cheers.) It we - ' Clear that quarrels between two such nations must pro 4111e0 great calamities, while peace between them must be pro- ductive of much and universal good. They all recollected and some bad been personally engaged in the mighty streggle that had lately taken place between them. They would re collect that that mighty struggle had been gallantly and ho nourably fought out by his Grace the Duke of Wellington and the illustrious commander who now sat beside them. The, their hearts were bent on mischief—these two men by nature kind and friendly—and he spoke from experience when he said that kindness wa:, implanted in their nature—were opposed to each other in hostile array. Whin war was the order of the day that great man, who now appeared so kind and gentle in his nature—yes, when his country called upon him, be (Col. Napier) had seen him with the waive of his band, or the point of his finger, send an hundred thousand armed men rushing into the battle, irresistible and destructivQ as Heaven's thunder, and sweeping like li g htnin g across the bloody field. —(Much cheering.) Then followed on their backs the dire results of war—the weeping, and wailing, and tears of the widows and the fatherless. Blood and tears were the products of that harvest, but now they beheld the same men meeting in amity, grasping each others' hands, while the joyful acclamations of happy and contented thousands, nay millions, greeted the veteran warrior and hailed him as a friend.— (Immense cheering.) These were the fruits of peace, of peace lasting and perpetual between France and England.— ( Cheers.) What was it, he would ask, that arrayed these two men against each other? What was it that sent them, like destroying angels, through divastated countries ? It was the glory of arms, not personal hostility, and the glory of arms was a noble heart-stirring sound for brave men's ears, but it carried desolation and death in its train. War was the hour of destruction, and death, and hatred, and every evil passion ; but peace was the harbinger of joy and tranquility, for then the inventive faculties of the human mind had full scope., and the genius of man no longer bent on mischief, soared unfettered the realms of imagination, seeking that knowledge which would gladden the hearts of all and benefit the human race. Then it was that commerce spread its sail over every clime, collecting the produce of all parts of the globe—then tile steam-engine smoked instead of the deadly cannon—then the wondrous fire-ship danced and curvetted at her moorings, like an amble courser impatient of the race across the Atlantic—then the wonders which arts and science, combined with industry, could produce, as they had that day witnessed in the marvellous city of Birmingham, were spread before the world. Peace then he would say—let there be peace between England and France, and let scorn and contempt pursue the paltry miserable scribbler who could only see on a late occasion—tho Coronation of their young and beautiful Queen, the lily of England, ishose natural feminine daftness, purity, goodness, and grace, were a thousand times more attractive than all the splendour by which she was surrounded; let scorn and contempt, he would say, pursue the evenomed scrib bler who could only see on such an occasion an opportunity to in sult an illustrious warrior who had honoured them with his presence.—( Loud and continued cheering.) In the name of the British army, he begged to thank Marshal Soult for the honour he bad conferred on them ; in the name of the town of Birmingham also, lie thanked him for the honour of his visit. In that town they had ample ma'erials of happiness—they had great industry, great skill, and, consequently, great riches would ensue; but they had also a generous and noble spirit, which would teach them how to use those riches. But although they had all these things, if they wanted one other, they would have wanted happiness. The people of Birmingham had got to solace and to soothe them some of the most beautiful women in the world —( Great cheering and laughter)—and therefore, as the army and navy had been always famed for their gallantry, lie would give them " the ladies of Birmingham, particularly those present." The toast was drunk with great cheering. Admiral NAPIER returned thanks on behalf of the Navy. Every man in England would allow that the navy had always done its duty in the most efficient manner. Oa a late oc casion, when he had the honour of commanding the Portuguese navy, he found the British soldiers made of the same stuff as in former days • and, with their assistance, by one blow he put an end to one Of the most despotic reigns that ever existed in any country. He hoped and trusted that the bends of amity between the two great nations, France and England, would be established on a permanent basis. Alter making some allu sion to the encroachments of Russia in the eastern part of Eu rope, and the necessity that existed for England and France to keep up their naval armament, the Gallant Admiral con cluded by proposing " The French army and the French navy." The toast was drank with great applause. The Marquis DE MORNAY returned thanks in the French language. He regretted deeply that he could not address them in their own language, so as to give expression to the sentiments by which he vial penetrated. He felt deeply grate ful for their kindness—ho was struck with admiration at all he had seen in their country—their prosperity was manifestly to be attributed to the industry and intelligence displayed by the people ; and he must also take care to express his thanks for the noble and generous hospitality that had been shown towards himself and his friends. He hoped the peace of both countries would be established upon a lasting and permanent basis. It was only from a misunderstanding that these two great nations had ever made war—they had both fought for the noble sentiments of liberty - , and those sentiments, while they called forth the respect of each other, would unite them for ever. He hoped that England and France would never again have disunion sown between them. In conclusion, he would beg leave to propose the health of the officers of the 14th Dragoons, which was the title of the French Regiment in which he had the honour to hold a commission.—( Cheers. ) Captain STEVENS, of the 14th Dragoons, returned thanks in a very harahome and appropriate manner. The CHAIRMAN said, that while they rejoiced at the im proved feeling which existed between France and England— they ought not to forger how many brave men had abed their life's blood in upholding the glory of their country. Marshal Soult and the Duke of Wellington had met on the Peninsula,' and the armies of both lost many of their best and their bravest men. On that occasion England lost her gallant son Sir John Moore. He died not, however, unhonoured and unmourned, for even out of his own country he found admirers. In the very camp of the enemy his re mains were treated with respect and honour, and the Chief of that camp had raised a monument to his memory.--( Vehe ment cheering.) The name of that Chief would ever be held in England in the highest veneration, and hailed with the deepest gratitude. That Chief was no less than the illus trious guest on his right hand, Marshal Soult.—(Thunders of applause.) They had shown that they had duly appreciated the noble act of that noble-minded man, and he would not trespass farther on their time, but give them " the memory of. the French and English heroes who fell in the Peein• sular. war." The toast was drank in solemn silence.—Song, the souls of the heroes." Marshal SOVI.T said the reception he had received from them—the liospi' ality he bed experienced—had penetrated him with sentiments of the deep( st gratitude. He wanted words to convey to them the sentiments of his heart, but he hoped at a future time he might be allowed to express that gratitude better than by words. At the moment of leaving them he hoped trey would permit him to say that he was sincerely anxious for the future there should be the most com plete reciprocity of feeling and sentiment between the two countries.—(Cher rs. ) He would return to his country pene trated with all the wonderful things he had seen in their country, and deeply impressed with its commercial and ma nufacturing: greatness. He would conclude by proposing the health of the High and Low Bailiffs. The CHAMMAN returned thanks on behalf of himself and the Low lieilitr, and immediately afterwards the distinguished visitors retired. Marshal Soult and his suite will, it is understood, leave Bir mingham at five o'clock this morning, by the route of Kenilworth and Warwick, and reach London at six o'clock this afternoon, in time for the Duchess of Somerset's grand party. The Marshal, it is understood, will leave England on the 29th inst. " Peace to SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. TATTERSALL' S— PSTRI:D4 r. Nearly the whole of the business transacted was on the Good wood Stakes, for which two or three new favourites made their appearance. Mahometan and Valentissimo continue at the head of the poll, the former, perhaps, not so much in favour as he was last week. Toothill, who runs this day for the Gloucestershire Stakes, was in high force at 9to I ; should he win that race his extra weight at Goodwood will be increased from 51b. to 71b. Loutherbourgh's friends were sanguine, and St. Luke was backed at 12 to Ito win, nearly 2,000/. 9to 1 was taken about Harkaway, and afterwards offered ; he is now within two or three day's march of Goodwood, and does not appear to be very generally fancied. King Cole is declared not to start, his owner having failed in his efforts to obtain a van to convey him from Cheltenham, where he runs this day. The St. Leger is almost out of the market—only three horses were mentioned yesterday, and in them there is not much change. Closing prices : GLOUCESTERSHIRE STAKES THIS DAY). 7 to 1 agst Captain Gardnor's Toothill—taken 7 to 4 agst Mr. J. 0. Fairlie's Zohrab—take 2 to 1 GOODWOOD STAKI'S (WEDNESDAY WEEK). 9 to 2 agst Mr. Osbaldeston's Mahometan—take 5 to 1 5 to 1 aget Sir G. Heathcote's Valentissimo—taken 8 to 1 agst Mr. Fowler's Heron 9 to 1 agst Mr. Gardnor's Toothill—taken freely 9 to 1 agst Mr. Theobald's Loutherbourgh—take 10 to 1 9 to 1 agst Mr. Ferguson's Harkaway—taken 11 to 1 agst Mr. King's Conciliation colt—taken 12 to 1 agst Mr. Sowerby's St. Luke—taken freely 13 to 1 agst Mr. John Day's Chapeau d'Espagne—taken 15 to 1 agst Mr. Robertson's Edgar—taken 20 to 1 aget Mr. King's Ruby—taken GOODWOOD CUP (THURSDAY NEXT). Tipple Cider is declared not to start. 10 to 1 agst Mr. Coombes's Cobham—taken DONCASTER ST. LEGER. 11 to 1 agst Lord G. Bentinck's Grey Momus—take 12 to 1 12 to 1 agst Lord G. Bentiock's D'Egville—taken LIVERPOOL JULY MEETING.—FRIDd Y. (coNcLunen.) The Selling Stakes of 5 sovs. each, with 70 added, for all ages ; three years, 6st. 91b ; four, Sst. 41b ; five, Bst. Slb ; and six, Bst. 131 b. Mares and geldings allowed 31bs. The winner to be sold for 150/. Heats, two miles. Mr. Fairlie's Pyramid, 4 yrs.. Mr. Mostyn's ch. c. by Grand Du ke, 3 y rs Mr. Robinson's Whaley , 5 yrs 4 2 dr 3 Mr. Roylance's Master of the Rolls Mr. Davies na. St. Leonard , 3 y rs... ..................... 2dr 2 to 1 agst 'Whaley, 2 to 1 tt,;;t Pyramid, and 3 to 1 agst Grand Duke. Won easy. Yesterday afternoon, about five o'clock, the atten tion of a policeman, of the N division, on duty in the (balk. road, Pen • Wyllie, was directed by some boys at play on the spot to a bundle (wrapped in a blue and white apron) deposited in one of the vaults beneath a newly-formed ro.l leading from the Chalk-road' to Maiden-lane, Battle-brizigc. On opening the bundle he discovered the body of a full grown male child, which, from appearances, could not have been in the world many hours, with a string fastened tightly round the neck. The police have pot at present any clue to en nble them to discover the tint*. tural runt, 'Re 1)0d7 was immediately conveyed to the Islington station-house. THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY, JULY 24, 1835. EDITIO S U)7 OFFICE, Seven o' Clock. A r - .3' - T E LONDON (TAL,-41.4 OF THIS EVENING. ST. JAMES'S PALACE, Juix 18, 1838. The Queen was this day pleased to confer the honour of Knight•. hood upon Major Edward Alexander Campbell, of the Bengal Ca valry, Companion of the Most Honourable Military Order of the Bath. CROWN-OFFICE, JULY 24, 1838. MEMBERS RETURNED TO SERVE IN THIS PRESENT PARLIAMENT. City of Cashel—J. Stock, Egq., LL D. in the roonilof the Right Hon. S. Woulfe, who has accepted the office of Chief Baron of the Court of Exchequer in Ireland. Borough of Clonmell—The Right Hon. Nicholas Ball, her Ma jesty's Attorney-General for Ireland WHITEHALL, JULY 23. The Queen has been pleased, by letters patent under the Great Seal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, bearing date this day, to grant unto Sir William Woods, Knt., Clarenceux King of Arms, and Knight of the Royal Hanoverian Guelphic Order, the office of Garter Principal King of Arms, w►th the name of Garter, and the style, liberties, and pre-eminences be longing to the said office, the same having become vacant by the decease of Sir Ralph Bigland, Knt., late Garter. WHITEHALL, JULY 23. The Queen has been been pleased to direct. letters patent to be passed under the Great Seal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Irelrnd, granting unto Joseph Hawker, Esq., Rich mond, Herald, the office of Norry King of Arms, and Principal Herald of the North parts of England, vacant by the yramotion of Edmund Lodge, Esq., to the office of Clarenceux King of Arms. WHITEHALL, JULY 23, 1838. The Queen has been pleased to direct, letters patent to be passed under the Great Britain and Ireland, granting unto Edmund Lodge, Esq., Norroy King of Arms, and Knight of the Royal Hanoverian Guelphic Order, the office of Clarenceux King of Arms, and Principal Herald of the south, east, and west parts of England, vacant by the promotion of Sir William Woods, Knight, to the office of Garter Principal King of Arms. WHITEHALL, JULY 23. The Queen has been pleased to direct Letters Patent to be passed under the Great Seal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, granting unto James Putman, Esq., Portcullis Pur suivant of Arms, the office of Richmond H raid, vacant by the promotion of Joseph Hawker, Esq., to the office of Norroy King of Arms. WHITEHALL, JULY 23, 1838. The Queen has been pleased to direct letters patent to be passed under the Great Seal of the United Kineou of Great Britain and Ireland, granting unto Albert William Woods, Fitz-Alan Pursui vant of Arms Extraordinary, the office of Portcullis Purstuvant of Arms, vacant by the promotion of James Pulman, Esq., to the office of Richmond Herald. WHITEHALL, JULY 23. The Queen has been pleased to present the Reverend Hibber t Binney, D.C. L., to the Rectory of Newbury, in the county of Berks, and Diocese of Oxford, void by tilt death of the Rev. James Roe. DOWNING-STREET, JULY 23. The Queen has been graciously pleased, on the occasion of her Majesty's Coronation, to declare and appoint, that Major General Sir Alexander Dickson, Knight Commander of the most Honour able Military Order of the Bath, shall be an Extra Knight Grand Cross of the said Order, and shall hold and enjoy all titles , pri vileges, immunities, rights,; and advantages which the Knights Grand Cross of the said Oorder may lawfully hold and enjoy. And her Majesty is further pleased to declare, that Sir Alexander Dickson shall, in all Chapters of the Order, and other solemnities, rank after the regular Knights Grand Cross now ex isting, and before any regular Knights Grand Cross hereafter to be made, and that in the event of his death, the vacancy thereby created shall not be filled. WAR-OFFICE, JUNE 24. Her Majesty has been pleased to appoint the under-mentioned Officers of the East India Company s Forces, to take rank, by Brevet, in her Majesty's Army in the East Indies only, as follows : To be Generals—Lieutenant -General Bennet Marley. Samuel Bradshaw, Sir Hecfor M'Lean, K.C.B. To be Lieutenant-General —Major-General John Cunninehame. To be Major-Generals — Colone ls Brackley Kennett, William Innes, John P. Dunbar , Andrew - Aitchcson, William Turner, Adam Ho!:, , g, Christopher Hodgson, Richard Whist', A. Andrews, Gabriel 1 . 1. Penny, James Ahmuty, James Cock , W;ll,am Hull, Sir James Limond, Knt., Charles M'Leol, Thomas Garner, Robert Pitman, C. S. Fagan, E. W. Shuldham, W. S. Heatheote, Richard 11. Yates, John Mayne, Anthony Monin, William Sand with, Mwssem Boyd, John M‘lnnes, James F. Salter, Sir Ephraim G. Stannus, Knight, Patrick Byers, William Burgh, Edmund Cartwright, Henry George Andrew Taylor, Alfred Richards, Sir James Sutherland, K. L. S. Hebert Bowen, Archi bald Watson, William Dickson, John Wells Fast, William P. Price, James Durant, Robert Hampton, John S. Harriott, Brook Bridges Parlby, Henry Hodgson, Tretcheville Dvkes Bal lantyne, Francis James Thomas Johnston, William G. Pearse, Sir Robert Henry Cunliffe, Bart., William Clapham, John Truscott, John Woulfe, Edward Edwards, Thomas Webster, Gilbert Waugh, Thomas Henry Smith, Edward Millian Guilifer Showers, William Woodhouse, Henry Faithfull, Francis W. Wilson, John Tombs, John H. Collett, George L. Wahab, Patrick Cameron, John Carfrae, Richard West, George Jackson, Samuel Goodfellow, Charles A Walker, Richard A. Willis, Frede rick Bowes, James S. Fraser, Isaac Kinnerslev, Peter Delamotte, Henry Huthwaite, William C. Faithfull, T. W ilson, F. V. Raper, George Swiney, George Pollook, Alexander Lindsay, James Alex ander, Vans Kennedy, Walter Raleigh Gilbert, Thomas P. Smith, Edward Frederick, George 13. Brooks, Archiband Robertson, William Clinton Baddeley, Henry Bowdler, l'eter Lodwick, James F. Dundas, James Morse, Edward IL Simp son, James Hackett, Thomas Newton, John A. Biggs, Edward H. Bellasis, William Nott, George Cooper, Suetonius Henry Todd, John Briggs, Harry Thomson. To be Majors—Captains John Wilson, Thomas Richard Mac queen, Francis Hugh M. Wheeler, John Wilson, George Hicks, James William Douglas, James Manson, John Ward, S. Fossil', W. !3urlton, S. L. Thornton, H. Dick, D. Hepburn, W. Simonds, Samuel P. C. Hurnfrays John Henry Simmonds, Hen r y Fi s h er Salter, John Angelo , John Gavin Drummond, Thomas Williams ' Wm. Bacon, Louis Saunders Bird , George Blake, Robert Lindsay Anstruther, Edmund Herring, Roderick Roberts, Geo. G. D enn i ss, . Alexander Davidson , Eyre Evans Bruce , John Hall, - John Hades ' John Samuel Mars hall, Daniel Alexander Fe nning , George Brooks Aitcheson, Christopher Newport, George Chapman, John Hicks, John Landon Jones, Griffiths Holmes, Shepherd Hart, J. Rawlins, George H. Woodrooffe, Francis Smalpage, Richard Ogilvie Meri ton, John Houston Mackielay, Owen Phillips, W. B. Girdlestone, N. Campbell, R. Kent, W. H. Earle, A. M,Kinnon, \V. Sage, Andrew Goldie, Henry Carter, William Ramsey, Charles Thoresbv, James Bedford, William Edward Blair Leadheater, Jeremiah Brock Noltidge, George Lee, Duncan Montgomerie, Andrew Mitchell, Campbell, Lucius Horton Smith, John Farquharson, John Worthy John Forbes, Frederick Bond, Thomas Biddle, William Mactier, Hugh Macfarquhar, John Howison, Henry John Wood, G. Dods, John Morgan Ley, Richard Graves Polwhele, John Chisholm, William Foquett, Edward Parry Gowan, James Allen, John Henry Irwin, John Cartwright, Francis Frackland Whynyates, William Hill Waterfield, George Fryer, Richard Budd, Patrick Thomson, George Barker, Francis Plowden, John Fitzgerald, J. Oliphant, Francis Str aton, John J. Underwood, John M. Boyes, William Frederick Steer, Claude Martine Wade, George William Bonham, Thomas Wilkinson, George Henry Robinson, Hugh C. Cotton, Charles Sinclair, Alexander Lawe, Charles H osm er, Richard Sumner Seton, Alexander Mac Arthur, William Prescott, Sir T. Croft, C. Stuart Wrn. H. Terreneau F. Blundell, Charles Wahab, Stuart Corbett, George Frederick' Penley, John Samuel Henry Weston, John Wynch, William John Thompson, Humphrey Hay, Malcolm Nicolson, Henry Monke, Henry Bark ley Henderson, Thomas Best Jervis, Frederick Samuel Sotheby, Henry Liddell, Edward Huthwaite, Gavin Ralston, Henry Dela fosse, Joseph Robert Woodhouse. DECLARATION OF INSOLVENCY. GEORGE B ST ANK REERSUPTCY, carpenterSU, PERS Chip pi ED ng ED Wycombe. JAMES CHAPMAN, ANKRUPT butcher, Egham-hill, Surrey. BS. REUBEN BALL, shopkeeper, Olveston, Gloucestershire, to surrender Aug. 11 and Sept. 4, at one at the Commercial Rooms, Bristol. Baynton and Son, Bristol ; Horton, l'u nival's Inn, London. WILLIAM HOWARD, eloth-mereliant, Leeds, Aug. 8 and Sept. 4, at twelve, at the Court House, Leeds. Robinson and Barlow, Essex-street, Strand, London; Ward, Leeds. JONATHAN SUTCLIFFE, stuff merchant, Bowling, Yolk shire, Aug. 1, at twelve, and Sept. 4, at ten, at the Court-house, Leeds. Battye, Fisher, and Sudlow, Chancery-lane, London ; Lets, Leeds. DAVID DAVIS, grocer, Merthyr Tydvil, Glamorganshire, Aug. 10 and Sept. 4, at eleven, at the Castle Hotel, Brecon. Hornby and Towgood, St. Swithin's-lane, London ; Clarke and Son, Bristol; Towgood, Cardiff. HENRY ILBERY LEWIS, tallow-chandler, Salford, Lan cashire, Aug. 4, and Sept. 4, at ten, at the Commissioners'-rooms, Manchester. C. Cooper, Brown-street, King-street, Manchester; Adlington, Gregory, Faulkner, and Follett, Bedford-row, London. BENJAMIN ROBERTS, jun., joiner, Stanningley, near Leeds, Yorkshire, Aug. 1, at eleven, and Sept. 4, at two, at the Court House, Leeds. Strangways and Walker, Barnard's Inn, London ; Blackburn and Hopps, Albion-street, Leeds. COURSE OF EXCHi Amiterd 011 C.F. 12 6.4 D►tuy at eight Rcat.rchni 9 U l2 7 Antwerp... Hamburg. ..,... ........ 51.8 l3 13►% A1t0na..... Park., 3 t!ays' sigh, 25 60 Ditto... .... ............. .3 Ms :5 V 0 Marteillei It,au►deaux Frankfort on Mainz, Ex. M 154 0 Periersinugh, mble 3 Us. 10 0 Berlin Vienna, iffeetive 11 2M.10 14 Tri.t.ste....aitto lO 15 ___. NGE.--ITHIS DAY.) litbraltar ............................... 4S Leghorn... ...................... ..... :12 Geno 2. .............................. 26 () Milan ................................31 ....... Jr, Venice ..................... ..... - ................... Naples ...... . .......... - Palermo . .......... p er ca. hN 53% Lisbon .................................. ..... 0R................... io:areiro Bahia ................................... '47 Btienchi Ayres ........................ - New Y.rk, 21 days' sight ...... .......................... PRICL Oladelp r' BULLION, I'lol Oi. Portugal (Old, coin ...... 17 0 9 0 Foreign Gold. in bar 5... ... 3 New Doubloons ...... 0 0 0 New Dollars ................. 0 4 1.% ...... 49. Silver. bars. standard Madrid .. . • 37 Bilboa .... Barcelona Seville IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT, (THIS EVENING.) HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour. Mr. BALL (the Attorney-General for Ireland) and Dr. Srccit were introduced by Lord MORPETII and Mr. Fox MATTLE, and took the oaths and their seats for Clonmel and Cashel. Sir E. CODRINGTON rose t o bring before the House the petition of Wm. B o y ce , l a t e o f th e Royal Navy, of which he had given notice, in consequence of a statement made by the Hon. Member for Liskeard, that in no case whatever were the pecuniary private transactions of (Beers interfered with. Lord G. SOMERSET submitted to the House that it ass not right to make ar,y statement of this kind. The SPEAKER said that no person out of the House hat! a tight to r( 1 t -)l`.chst,ted within the walls. Capt. PECII ELL apprehended that it. was not the petiti,o: but the observations of the Gallant Admiral which were now ebjected to, Sir E. CODRINGTON wished that the case should be fully understood by the House. If an officer borrowed money to fit him out for the service, the authorities thought it right to secure the repayment through the means:of that officer's pay. The petitioner stated that he set out as a surgeon; that at the peace he fell into d fficuities, and in the course of time his debts became such that he was put into prison, went before the Commissioners, became bankrupt, and delivered up the whole of his property. The Commissioners on looking over the accounts, seeing that he had given up the whole of his pro perty, meant to release him. The petitioner then stated that upon the representation of the agent which the petitioner considered to be a gross misrepresentation, the Admiralty had struck him of his half-pay. He had applied several times to be reinstated, but without the least effcet ; and he had therefore nothing further to do than to lay his case before the House. He thought the offi cers of the navy had been most improperly dealt with, and he trusted, therefore, the House would take the subject into its most serious consideration. Mr. C. WOOD could not allow the statements of the Gal lant Admiral to pass without observation because he had mixed up two matters that were totally distinct. He had mixed up the punishment inflicted; by the Admiralty, and the inter ference with private concerns. The reason why Mi. Boyce was struck off the list of the navy was, that in the opinion of the Admiralty, he had been guilty of swindling. The Ad miralty thought if such were the case he was a disgrace to the Navy, and therefore they adopted the course tbey did. Captain PE C HELL deprecated the course adopted. The SPEAKER said the question was a very grave one, and ought to be discussed in a regular and proper manner. In justice to other gentlemen whose names were down for the presentation of petitions, the subject could not then be gone into. Sir E. CODRINGTON then gave notice that be would call the attention of the House to the subject on the first Sup ply night. Mr. RICH presented a petition from a Wesleyan Congre gation in Knaresborough, complaining that the servants of the East India Company were obliged to attend upon idolatrous wor,hip. Mr. AGLIONBY presented a petition, signed by 300 owners of small cottages in Birmingham, in favour of the Recovery of Tenements Bill. Mr. HINDLEY presented petitions from Stockport, in favour of the Ballot, and in favour of Rowland Hill's plan of Post-office reform. _ . Mr. M. J. O'CONNEL L presented a petition from the spirit dealers of Tralee, praying for protection. Mr. M. PHILIPS presented a petition from Manchester (wc believe), praying for a discontinuance of the sanction given by the British Government in India to Hindoo idolatry. Sir R. INGLIS presented a petition from the Dean and Chapter of Canterbury against the Ecclesiastical Appointments Suspension Bill. On the motion of Mr. FOX MAULE, the report of the Turnpike Acts Continuance Bill was received, and the Bill ordered to be engrossed. The Report of the Turnpike Acts Continuance (Ireland) Bill was received. Upon the motion for receiving the Report on the Arms and Gunpowder ( Ireland) Bill, Mr. HUM E said that there must be some mistake with re spect to this Bill, as he had received two letters that day es pr-s ing a hope that he would move that the Bill should be eitbdrawn, vs it was fear .:d it mit , htte attende d with evil cop se juencvs. If be understood rightly, the present Bill wvs only a continuance of the one of last year. The Bill was then ordered to be engrossed. Sir G. GREY moved the committal of the 13.11 for the ad ministration of justice in New South Wales. Mr. HUME said he had not seen the Bill, and he therefore wished to know what its object was. Sir G. GREY said it %l as the same as the Bill of last Session. After a few observations from Mr. HUME, the Bill passed through Committee. The Report of the Committee on the Constables on Public Works Bill was brought up. LIGHTHOUSES (GIBRALTAR) BILL. The House went into Coriimittee on this Bill. Clauses I, 2, and 3, werelagreed to. On Clause 4 being proposed, Mr. HUME objected to the tat of one shilling upon all vessels passing Gibraltar being imposed. This country allowed 250,0001. for the support of Lighthouses, but the expence of the Lighthouses did not exceed 60,000/. or 70,000/. The remainder went into priva'e hands.—( Hear, ar, hear.) It was said it was applied in pensions to captains and s...a.inen by the Trinity House. If it were neces sary to apply such a sum in p.:tisions, it ought to go under the proper head.—(Cries of " H ar, hear, hear.") The corn mei ce of the country was aire ,dy wry much taxed. This clause was jut adding to the evil of giving to an irrespon sible body like the Trinity House additional power.— ( Cries of " Hear, hear.") He would ask the Honourabl, Gentleman at the Head of the Board of Trade on what prin ciple it was that they proposed to extend the power of the Trinity-house to Gibraltar. No Government but a Whig Government would se-k to give such powers to a self-elected body like the Trinity House. He should move the exclusion of tee clause altogether. Mr. WA RBUR TON said the Trinity House had come worst out of the inquiry on the subject of lighthouses. Wh), then, was it to be selected for the purpose of superintend ing the Gibraltar lighthouse. The Ballast Board in lreland and the Northern Lighthouse Commii.sioners went upon the regular and proper principle of apportioning their revenue to the actual cost cf the lighthouses. Let one of t`tese Beards then be chosen. He should support the mo tion of his Hon. Friend the Member for Kiikenny. Mr. O'CONNE LL put in a claim on behalf' of the Irish Ballast Board, (of which be was a member,) for that Blard had conducted itself best of any. It had diminished the taxa t; on on the public, and its members asked no remuneration for their services, thus standing in proud contrast to the Trinity House. M. P. T H 0 M PSO N—This was not the time to discuss the rival merits of their Lighthouse Boards. Trinity House, however, had been proved before the Lighthouse Committee to have conducted itself with great propriety ; and a Bill had been pa=sed last Session, giving it additional powers. He did not think the Board deserved the ce nsure which had been hea p ed upon it. Now wi th res p ect to the clause in q uestion, his Hon. Friend bad asked why put this lighthouse under the Trinity House ? The reason for doing so was because Par liament decided two years ago that lighthouses should be put under that Body, and the proposal now made was merely fol. lowing o ut the precedent laid down in the case of Heligo ! land. His Hon. Friend then objected to the toll, and said there was a surplus revenue at Gibraltar. If so, it was car ried to the account of the public, and therefore paying this charge out of the surplus revenue, would be nothing more than making a charge on the public of the sum necessary to keep up this light.—( Hear, hear.) His Honourable Friend in this was contending for the principle of all lights ' being paid by the country, on which principle the House did not agree with him. The Hon. Member said this was a mere trifle. He ( Mr. Thompson) was perfectly aware of that. Th e c3untry had erected the lighthouse, a n d a ll t h a t was re quired was a small sum for the annual expense of maintaining it. The shipping interest was willing to pay these dues, and he had introduced the Bill at their request and with their sanc tion. He hoped the House would agree to the charge in the manner he had suggested. Mr. WALLACE, as a member of the Committee two years ago, begged to remind the Hon. Gentleman that it was then understood that in case any new lighthouse was built they were not to follow the track of the Trinity House. He wished to know what was to become of the surplus in come of Gibraltar, was it -to go into the coffers of the Trinity House? It was monstrous to collect a revenue in the shape of lighthouse duty, under the name of charita ble purposes. H (J ME said, that Gibraltar, since its capture, had been a free port, and the effect of the Bill would be to destroy its being so. He would put it to the House whether, for the vke ,f a paltry shilling, it would adopt such a clause. He wished to see the Light-house erected, but he thought its erect!on should take place at the expense of the surplus re venue of Gibraltar or the surplus revenue of the Trinity House. Mr. P. THOMSON denied that the toll proposed by the Bill would have the effete of injuring cornmer,:e. Strangers were ordered to withdraw, The House divided, when there appeared._ For the clause 92 For the amendment Majority The clause was then agreed to. The remainder of the clauses were agreed to, and.the House resumed. -70 IRISH POOR-LAW BILL. Lord JOHN RUSSELL then moved the Order for the House taking into consideration the Lords' amendments to the Irish Poor-law Bill. Sir STRATFORD CANNING wished to ask a question on a subject of great importance to the commercial inte rests of the country. He understood that an expedition, composed of several armed vessels, with 500 or 6CO men had sailed from Bombay to the Persian Gulf. The only two places to ►which the expedition could proceed belonged to the Scbah of Persia, and an expedition against them might place us in a state of hostility with Persia. He was desirous of knowing, for the interests of the trade of the country, whe ther the expedition was likely to be attended with that conse quence? Sir J. HOBHOUSE said it was undoubtedly true that a small expedition had sailed, in consequence of a despatch re ceived from the Governor-General of India by the Governor of Bombay, stating reasons which made the Governor-General of India think it advisable to send such expedition. It was sent for the protection of British interests in central Asia, in consequence of the state of that part of the world. Sir S. CANNING inquired if the expedition was merely for general purposes, or had a specific object? Sir J. HOB HOUSE could give no other answer than he had already give n. Sir R. PEEL wished to BA the President of the Board of Control whether the Governor in Council in India had com plete authority to prevent the conveyance of the nat i ves of India fiat the purpose of being employed in the West India settlements; and if not, whether it was the intention of Government to pass an Order in Council forbidding inch conveyance for the period of two years, or any other defi nite peri o d. Sir J. C. HOBHOUSE said, in answer to the two ques tions pot by the Right Hon. Baronet, he had no hesitatioN in saying_i t was his opinion at least—that there could be io doubt whatever that the Governor-General had t 11.3 Over adverted to by thy: Right Honourable Gentleman. He and the C,uncil had ire pea or of making laws for India, and n o thi ng could upset those laws but their abrogation by the Home Government. With respect to the other question Ile had to s- , .y that in consequence of the view taken by her Majesty', ‘.;overnrnent it was the intention of the Court of Directors to lose no time, but forthwith to issue an order for the purposes mentioned by the Right Hon. Gentleman. Mr. G. PALMER then rose to make the motion of which he had given ne.tice. Mr. P. THOMSON apprehended that the Hon. Member was violating the orders and understanding of the House in persevering in his motion. The SPEAKER said the motion could only be brought forward on Supply days. After a short discussion, Mr. Palmer gave way. Lord JOHN RUSSELL having moved the Order of the Day, for the consideration of the Lords' Amendments to the Irish Por,r-law Bill, The SPEAKER said it was his duty to state to the House wh,t had taken place relative to these amendments. It was usual when amendments were proposed to be made tending to touch the privileges of the House to con sult the Speaker on the subject. The amendments which bad been made had' been laid before him, and his opinion asked—his answer was that he did consider them as contrary to the rules of the House. The Rill was introducing a great novelty in the laws of Ireland, and it wan, therthre, in Lis opinion, neces sary that they should n, - t pie's the strict rule, otherwise they would take from the llouse of Lords any power of considering, laws of such importance. There were two precedents for considering these amendments ; they were the cases of the English Poor-law Bill and the English Municipal Bill, and very probably the House would think the reasons now pressing as valid as upon those oixasio;;s. As a general rule he thought the rules and privi h.ges of the House were best secured when not too far stretched. lie had done his duty, and it reisained with the House to take what step it pleased in the matter. Lord J. RUSSELL said that no doubt the rule which the Right Hon. Gentleman had stated did materially affect the consideraion of this question. There certainly were amend ments introduced which went fully into the question of rating and the disposal of money, but he hoped the House would consider them as amendments intended rather to further the object of the House of Commons in the Bill which it sent up. That Bill had been adopted alter a very great consideration, and its provisions had been agreed to by a great majority of that House. On the third reading of the Bill 234 voted for, and 95 against, the third reading. He wished to bring before the attention of the Reuss the chief of those amend ment-, and to a7k Honourable Members to give their con sideration to them. On the whole he thought, considering the very great importance of the Bill, the number of provi sions necessary to carry its object into effect, and considering the great diversity of opinion as to the plan to be adopted (even supposing the principle of the Poor-law to be adopted), the amendments made by the Lords were fewer in number and less extensive in principle than might have been expected. There were, however, two or three of sonic importance. (LEFT SPEAKING.) HOUSE OF LORDS. The LORD COANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack at the usual hour. The Edinburgh and Leith Agreement Bill went through Committee. The Bishop of EXETER presented a petition from some place in Ireland, against the Irish Corporations' Bill. Also, a petition against the continuance of the grant to May nooth College. Also, a petition from Bradford complaining of the present factorl, system, and in favour (we believe) of a Ten I-lours' BM. As- a petition from Wingfield, Wilts, praying that the countei.at.ci: 'given by the British Government in India to Ilindoo ido'atry might be put an end to. The Right Rev. Prelate supported the prayer of the petition, and said that next Session the subject must come under the notice of Parliament ; and presented a similar petition from the Wes leyan Methodists or Exeter. Viscount MELBOURNE assured the Right Rev. Prelate and their Lordships that measurei would speedily be taken upon this subject which would satisfy the most scrupulous conscience. Earl ALBE3I A R LE presented a similar petition from Norwich. Ile Prisons Bill, the Parliamentary Burghs ( Scotland) Bill, and the Schools' ( Scotland) Bill, were brought up from the Commons. _ _ _ SPANISH LESION. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY, seeing the Noble Viscount (Melbourne) in his place, wished to say that the Noble Viscount had stated the other night that the Commission to settle the claims of the Legion w,is in active operation ; whereas it appared from informa tion which he (Lord Londonderry) had received, that the Commission had not yet, assembled • and that it was not known when it wou ld meet. The 'Noble Viscount would certainly not wilfully make a mis.statement, but he (Lord L.) to have correct information upon this point, and to know whether the N:Ve Viscount would lay before the House the correspondence on the sulject. Lord M ELI3OURNE said he had stated that the Com missioners (as he had understood) had arrived in London. What papers were they that the Noble Marquis wished to have? Lord LOND OND E R Y—Copks of correspondence he twmn Sir De Lacy Evans. Lord Palmerston, Mr. Black, &c. Viscount MELBOURNE—Suppose th.se papers have already bce!l laid before the Howe of Commons. The :Marquis of LONDONDERRY then noticed the sub ject of the different constructions put by two Noble Lords (Minto and Melbourne) on the additional articles of the Quadruple Treaty, and enquired whi titer the Noble Earl (Mint?) adhered to his opinion formerly expressed ? Earl IN TO said he ;till adhered t.) that opinion. Lord BROUGHAM said the Noble Earl's p ?rtinacity in adhering to his opinion, did not lessen his (Lord Brougham's) conviction of the palpable error of that opinion, nor increase his estimation of the Noble Earl's wisdom. He now wished so ask the Noble Earl, if when the contingency which was supposed likely to arise, no longer existed, there would be any objoction to lay that Order in Council (respecting Dutch ani Sardininn vessels) before their Lordshins ? The Duke of WELLINGTON said the inclination of his mind ale ays was net to pre s a Government to produce jar pc, s of this nature, and which, if he were sitting on the other side of the House, he should no doubt resist the production of. Lord BROUGHAM admitted the general rule as kid down by the Noble Duke was quite correct. But he (Lord B.) had considered a case had been fully made out for an excep tion to that rule. And the Noble Earl ( Tinto) had persisted in his error, and who knew whether it might not be now acted upon? Would the Noble Earl say if the Order in Council was signed by the Noble Earl himself alone, or by some other Member of the Government in conjunction with him. Earl MIN TO was wilting to staze that if such an Order was issued, it would not be issued on the sole responsibility of the head of the Marine, but would be signed by one of the Secretaries of State. But he must decline answering positively a question relating to a condi tional order. Orders of the Admiralty, in fact, were not signed by the Lords, but by the Secretary. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY congratulated the Noble Viscount at the head of the Government on the speci mens of agreement and subordination which were presented in that an-I the ether House of Parliament by Members of the Mininisti v which he had orePifsed. —(A laugh. ) NATIONAL LOAN FUND LIFE ASSURANCE SOCIETY BILL. On the motion of Lord BROUGHAM this Bill was read a third time and passed. (LEFT SITTING). IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, .JULY 23. TITHES (IRELAND) BILL. Lord J. RUSSSE LL moved that the House should go into Committee for the further consideration of the Tithes (Ireland Bill. The motion having been agreed to the Speaker left the chair, and the House went into Committee. Mr. BERNAL havine• ' put the first clause from the chair, Lord J. RUSSELL proposed to strike out the first clause and to substitute instead thereof a clause to the effect that the right of all persons to tithes, or to arretlr3 of tithes which had already accrued, or which might hereafter accrue, should cease and determine. On the amendment from the Chair, Sir R. PEEL rose and said, Sir, I have an amendment to propose to the clause which the Noble Lord has m.wed should he substituted in lieu ut the first clause of the Bill, and which has been just read from the Chair —( Hear, bear.) The No ble Lord's substitute clause proposes that the rights of all per sons to tithes and composition for tithes which have already accrued, or which may hereafter accrue, shall altogether cease and determine. The effect of this proposition would be to rive a le..ri;lative .extinction to all tithes, or arrears cf tithes that have already accrued. With respect to the extinc tion of all right to tithes which may hereafter accrue, I do not so much object to that part of the proposition, for Parlia ment proposes to give a substitute in lieu thereof, a perma nent and secure rent charge. Bet, Sir, I very much doubt the policy of extinguishing all right to tithes which ma) have heretofore accrued. At the same time, when I say this, I fully feel the dif f iculties by which the subject is environed, and I agree in the desire, sn far as it can be cone, without violation of soy principles, to make a final and satisfactory set tlement of this question by the legislative extinction of tithes. I agree in the Noble Lord's proposition that a sum should be applied to the extinction of all arrears of tithe, and I altoge ther agree that a definite sum should be applied to that pur pose. I am altogether satisfied with the proposal of the No ble Lord, that a sum of three hundred thousand pounds should be applied to the liquidation of those arrears. That sum is to ba , composed of the remainder of the million, namely, 268,0001., and over which the Noble Lord has absolute con troul, and of 40,000/., which the Noble Lord expects to be able to make up from the recovery of the amount of claims still due by solvent - parties. The Noble Lord then proposes that that sum, which for the sake of clearness, I shall assume to be 300,0001. shall be together applied to the liquidation, exclu sively of the arrears of 1836 and of 1837. On these parties to whom the arrears for these two years are due, waiving their portion of the amount to be applied to this purpose, the pro vision of the Noble Lord's clause is, that then, and thereafter, the claims to arrears of all persons being tithe-owners should be extinguished by law. Now I very much doubt the jastice, as well as the policy of that proposition. In the first place let us take the case of an incumbent who vacated his living at the commencement of 1836, and who bad claims for arrears for 1834 and 1835. Now, would not the peculiar force of this case be considerably augmented if it should appear that such an incumbent had forchorne to enforce these claims from a desire to wait mufti he should be crtaWed to understand what cp4aion Parliament would express wi h resit;ci to the final s• - ..ttlernent of this question.—( Hear, hear.) .11, then, et us take another case. Let us take the c ase of a widow whose husband died at the commencement of 1836 1 and who had unsatisfied claims for arrears of tithes that accrued in 1834 and 1835. Now, would it not be unjue.t that this party, without having received any kind of compensation whatever, should he deprived of her undoubted legal right to recover the amount of these unsatisfied claims?—( Hear, hear. ) I doubt the policy of your declaring as you do by th s clause, that under no circumstances in future shall tithes be enforced. I fully agree that Parliament must interfere for the settlement of these arrears by a specific grant of a sum of money, chick :um, I agree, should be that which the Noble Lord proposes to apply to this obj ec t. I a lso agree in the propriety that Parliament should clearly understand what amount of pecuniary burthen should be placed on the United Kingdom for the set tlement of this question. Ido not call upon the Government to make any proposal that the amount of arrears, which amount is indefinite, should be paid in the proportion of 75 per cent. or of 60 per cent. It seems to me reasonable that Parliament should on'y be called upon to grant a defi finite sum'; but that Parliament should ascertain what pro portion this s um b ore to the arrears, and that an option should be given to the party to whom the arrears are due, to accept or reject the terms offered by the Government. I would also propose that in every case where the offer was accepted, the Government should inherit the right of the titheowner, and should be left the power of determining whe ther they would enforce the payment of the amount due by the debtor or not. By the adoption cf my proposition you will save two principles. You will avoid any violation of the rights of property, which will not be the case if the proposal of the Noble Lord, in its present state, be carried into effect. You would do injustice to no one, because you would leave to every party the power of rejecting or accepting the offer you made them. My own opinion undoubtedly is, that your offer will be accepted, and that the tithe-owner will consent to ac cept his proportion of the 300,0001. I think that the opportu nity of accepting or refusing that offer should be given. To those who declaim so eloquently, and object so strongly to the application of the public money to any such purpose as this, I very much fear that neither the Noble Lord's proposition or mine will be likely to give much satisfaction. But, Sir, no one can deeply and fully consider this question without be coming fully sensible of the difficulty of bringing it to a satis factory conclusion; or without, on the other hand, being con vinced of the beneficial consequences that would result from the final settlement of the question on a permanent and satis factory basis.—( Hear, hear.) However, if the advance of 300,000/. would secure the permanent and satisfactory settle ment of the Irish tithe question, I firmly believe, in even the narrowest view of the question, that with respect to the pecuniary buithen to be placed on England and Scotland, I say that I firmly believe, if such a result could be secured, that the peace of Ireland would be cheaply purchased by the payment of 3 _‘o,ooo/.—( Cheers. ) Nay, more; if it depended solely on my own wish, I do not hesitate to say that I would not shrink from even a farther advance if I felt that we could thereby place ourselves upon the threshold of a satisfactory settlement.—(Hear, hear.) Because it appears to me that we are going to place the question on an entirely new foot ing, and to place the payment of the Clergy on a dif ferent system. We are going to place the Irish landlords under an obligation universal throughout Ireland of contri buting to the support of the Clergy of the Established Church. Weare going to give to the Clergy of the Esta blished Church the greatest and most enlarged powers for the recovery of their rights, which we have thought fit should be reduced in amount in consideration of the in creased security to be derived from the altered system un der which they are placed. We are going to remove the Clergy from all contact with the occupier in the relation of titheowner and tithepayer. Well, we ail agree that this is de sirable to be done. But then we cannot do this without first making some just and reasonable provision for the settlemert of the arrears. Now, in concurring in the necessity of doing this, I can by no means concur in the opinion expressed a few days ago by the Hon. Member for Southwark, that this is only the first of a series of demands which this country will have to suffer on the part of the Irish Church. Iby no means think that any such thing is likely to be the case. Nay, more ; I can hardly see the circumstances under which, after what we are doing now, it is possible that there can be a fresh demand on the part of the Irish Church.—( Hear, hear.) I will, then, assume that the sum of 300,0001. is to be applied to the settle ment of this question. Our single wish is to effect that settle ment in a satisfactory manner. As lam anxious to do justice to the clergy of the Established Church in Ireland, I would even consent that within certain limits the sum of 300,000/. should be still further increased ; but it seems that, under ex isting circumstances, that is impossible. Whatever is to be the amount with respect to the law itself, it seems to me that it would be desirable that the Government should take the ad ditional suns out of the Consolidated Fund. Whatever the sum is to be, let them make it a definite sum, and let the whole of it be taken out of the Consolidated Fund. I believe the Noble Lord calculates with considerable certainty on be ing able to recover 40,000/., which was to make up the re mainder of the 300,000/. Ile therefore thought it would be much better, and give an increased feeling of security, if the Government would advance the whole sum of 300,000/., and hold themselves responsible, or at least should themselves un dertake the collection of the 40,0001. which the Noble Lord expects to be able to recover. Let them repay the advance of the 40,000/. by applying to that purpose the sums that they expected to recover from the landlords. Let us then be agreed that the sum of 300,000/. should be the amount ad vanced by Parliament. My proposal is, that nothing should be done until we first ascertain the amount of the arrears due. I hope, ui on the whole, that Hon. Members will be con vinced that by adopting my proposition they will commit no violation of any principle—that they will not interfere with any rights of property ; and that my plan, whilst it possesses those advantages, has an equal tendency to the settlement of the question.—( Hear, hear.) I propose no appropriation whatever of the money advanced without full preliminary in quiry. As I said before, I would appoint a Commission to inquire. Should the expense of a Commission form any ground of objection, I do not think there would be the least difficulty in finding persons, sufficiently alive to the interests of the Church, as to be willing to undertake those duties if it should so be wished, without compensation, and as a volun tary labour. Well, then, I w old propose that for this pur pose let three Commissioners be appointed. Let two o f them be appointed by the Government, and let the third be ap poieted by the Primate of Ireland. Well, if this was objected to let the Government have the appointment of the three Commissioners, but let it be understood that one was to be appointed specially to watch over the interests of the Esta blished Church. I would then propose that these Commis sioners should proceed to inquire into and to review the whole affairs of the Church. That they should collect information w ar i r t e h a sp ou e e ct o t n o t c h c e o a ti m n t o o u f n Is o f 36 t h a e n a d r ra 3 r s 7, n b o w ut d k e , e v.i not e o e o n f e t t e e arrears due on account of 1834 and 1835. I would propose that the amount due for alt the years should be stated, and that the Commissioners should class those arrears under dif ferent heads—that those of 1834 should be classed by themselves, and so on for each year down to the arrears of 1837, thus including in this way each of the four years for which the arrears are due. I would also propose that the Commissioners should mention in their re port any special circumstances connected with any particular portion of those arrow's, that those matters of a special nature might afterwards be taken into consideration. After the Com missioners had ascertained the amount of the arrears, and what proportion was due for each year, I would then propose that the money advanced should be applied, not for the liquidation of the arrears of any one or two years, but that it should em brace within its scope the whole of the four years. I would not apply the same principle to the whole of the ar rears, but I would not exclude the whole or any part thereof from the benefit of the compensation, not of course giving the same amount of compensation with respect to 1834 and 1835 as with respect to those of 1836 and 1837. I would, more over. propose that these principles suggested by the Com missioners should not be binding until they should have re ceived the sanction of Parliament. Nothing would then re main to be done in this respect but that the 300,0001. should be divided on such principles as would appear to be most con sistent with justice for the settlement of those arrears. Well, then, now to come to another point of the Noble Lord's pro posal. The Noble Lord proposes that in paying the arrears for the two last years the right to the recovery of all arrears which had previously accrued should altogether cease, and be enthely forfeited. Now surely there would be no justice whatever in that proceeding. ( Hear, hear.) You could introduce or promulgate no more dangerous p.inciple than that of acknowledging a claim and denying a remedy. Take the case of a clergyman who, at great expmie and by great trouble and eyertious, brought his claims for the arrears due to him in the two antecedent years to a successful issue, but though he bad succeeded in placing them on this footing, had himself received no benefit. Well, he dies, or is transferre ito another parish. A new incumbent comes in in 1837, and reaps the whole benefit of the exertions of his predecessors. You then eive this new incumbent all the benefit of your compensation, whilst his predecessor, the bene fit of whose exertions he has reaped, gets nothing in respect of the arrears relating to the two antecedent years. It would be easy to show that if that principle were recognised, in our legislation (as we understood the Right Hon. Baron , 4), no propetty would be safe. But then as to what should h e done my Proposal c , mprises the enti , e case. I would include ';tie tithes of 1834, as well as those of 1837. I was represented to have said on a former occasion that fifty per cent. would be an adeouate compensation. I have since got several letters from Ireland staing that fifty per cent. was too little. But I. have this difficulty to deal with—the sum to be approus - gated to this purpose is definite, whilst the amount of tt ie arrears is indefi nite; so that I only know one part of one question. It strikes me, however, that the proportion l oot ween the arrears and the sum advanced for compensation may enable you to offer fifty per cent. fur the arrears of the two first years and sixty-five substitute the fih f t per cent. for the arrears o f t h e two l ast y ear s. I have thi s t o observe, that in case you r o ff er i s re f use d by some of the par ties the more will remain to be divided amongst those who l a i c n c e e p o t f y t b o e u r e I p a r n o s p e o wb h s a b l e 11 t 1y n amendment Noble Lord i p s ro h po i ses I t on for the first clause of the Bill, I propose that after the wor d t s " accrue," to insert words to the effect that the rights of all persons to compositions for tithes, or arrears of tithes, shall in cases hereinafter mentioned—(as we understood the Right it will imply that in certain cases, Honourable Baronet)—vest in her Majesty, and 'that the rights of all persons to tithes to be here a ft er shall altogether cease and determine. If due, the words f a ro c m ce t I o r i o te r)c hereafter he adoptedmore fully and speaciallf• the r offer igbt m of ad ti e th t e o s t tithe-ownerlstbeoushould. e tr a n s s f h t e r l i l e prnttbeeedn,titoh mentioned, Clergyd , exist ingtiof her Majesty's Government. M „ PrZrposal does n o t i nvo l ve a g reeter advance of the public P:ione y than that of the Noble k ee l. The sum propeeed e .. 0 be granted to ill be sufficient, as far as I can et preteens see. sincerely hope ncere y tope that neither my proposi,t.;;,4 nor th.4i of the Noble Lord will be rejected on the wound tveuch Was put f dthe ' orws.r ot,.er nieht—namely, that the P rotes.ent Church in Ireland is on a " rotten foundation.. For any part, Sirs it is my sincere belief and my strong COw. mess ieve, Aber was r the louts A off it A verf was, coal ,d in• y the °ugh d the jdge, I, one miral ;rl - tied irr of I the every nense main- •oCCSO ranee ate of [era* . ;lope% beau• _rise. lmira• )ridg e y Mr. muse a veil it ola 6'lll „„iegt n or ; r e cl ine' t° lour ~~~