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11 . / er 4 4 4 41. '4100,4,1 r • r - , • 0. 7 " 4t PERZAL PARLIAMENT. t ',~f . HOUSE OF LORDS—MoNnav, Nov. 20. [ln our paper of yesterday we gave all the particulars respect ing his Majesty's progress to the House of Lords,. as well as the King's Speech. We now merely reprint the Royal Speech, as it forms the text for the Debate.] DIY LORDS AND GENTLY.AP , My I have called you together at this time, for the special purpose of communicating to you the measure which I judged it necessary to take in the month of September, for the admission into the Ports of the United Kingdom of certain sorts of Foreign Grain not then admissible by L aw . I have directed a Copy of the Order in Council, issued on that occasion, to be laid before you, and I confidently trust that you will see sufficient reason for giving your sanction to the provisions of that Order, and for carrying them into effect. I have great satisfaction in being able to inform you that the hopes entertained at the close of the last Session of Parliament respecting the termination of the war in the Burniese territories have been fulfilled, and that a peace has been concluded in that guar ter highly honourable to the British arms and the Council* of the '.British Government in I continue to receive from all Foreign Powers assurances of their tamest desire to Cultivate the relations of peace and friendly undfir 'standing with me. I ant exerting myself with unremitting anxiety, either singly, or in conjunction, with my Allies, as well to arrest the progress of existing hostilities, as to prevent the interruption of Peace, in different parts of the world. thANTLEMEN or THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, • • .-• I have directed the Ettimates of the ensuing year to be pre s pared, and they will in due time be laid before you. • • I will take care that they shall be formed with as much atten tion to ecenomy as the exigencies of the Public service will permit. The Distress which has pervaded the Commercial and Mann. Picturing Chusses of my Subjects during the last twelve months, . has affected some important Branches of the Revenue ; but 1 ~) fave the satisfaction of informing you, that there has been no such diminution, in the, internal consumption of the Country, 'as to ex site any apprehensions. that the great sources of our wealth and Prosperity have been impaired. • • sly Linens AND GENTLYSIEN, I lutte• deeply sympathised with the sufferings which have been for some time past so severely felt in the Menelueturing Dis ' triets of the Country, mid have ooutemplatel with satisfaction, the exeniplary patience with which those Fedi-tinge have been ge nerally borne. The depression under which the Trade and Manufacturer of the Country have been labouring, has abated more slowly than thought myself warranted in anticipating; but I retain a firm ex- , peetation that this abatement will be ,progressive, and that the time is nut far distant, when, under the blessing of Divine Provi deuce, the Cowmen* arid Industry of the United Kingdom will have resented their wonted activity. THE ADDRESS. His MAJXSTY'S Speech having been then read aloud by the 1 Louie CHANCILLLOIL front the Woolsack, and by the Clerk at the table. Earl CORNWALLIS rose to move the ' Address. The s,, voice •of the Noble' Earl, whose back was turned the whole titre towards the Bar, was so feeble, that only detached words oecasionally reached the public. Front these we inferred that the Nobl e E ar l was taking a review of the topics contained in the 14 'Peeeh, eipressing his satisfaction at the termination of the Bur h,Sse was, and at the step; taken by his Majesty, in conjunction with Lis 'Allies, to put an end to existing hostilities in every part sides world. We understood him to say, that the deficiency in t he Revenue must lead to greater economy, and that if Perlis- I nent had hitherto beets unwilling to interfere with respect to the Prevailing distress, it was because it attributed that distress to us ,t,aral Causes, which was no longer the case. He also alluded to " state of Ireland ; and concluded by moving an Address, which Was an echo of the Speech. Lord COLVILLE, in riaiug to second the Metioit of the Noble . nstl, could not but feel that he stood in need of that indulgenee .Whichi their Lordships were in the habit of 'hewing, and he hoped that the motion would not suffer from falling into the hands of a alan who could give it such feeble support. With respect to the special purpose for which Parliament had been assembled, he did hot think that soy person could disapprove of his Majesty's Minis ters for having issued, on their own responsibility, an Order in Coun cil, and then called Parliament together as soon as possible, to Prove its necessity and sanction what they had done. He Was aware that it was a departure from the system , required by the existing laws, but lie expected that 'no man would have an hliection to such a measure when their Lordships reflected, that te sl it had been adopted, it would have been impossible to sup pressing• wroth; or the country for oats until the 15th of • uv emher, when the averages would be taken. He also rejoiced in the realization of the' hopes expressed by his Majesty at the i' l °s t of the last Seesion respecting the speedy termination of the 'Prnisse war a war which was undertaken under cireumstauces 1 , 4 Peculiar difficulty, as it was scarcely practicable to obtain any Lal knowledge of the country to guide an invading army. BY energy of thy Indian Government, however, and by the greet ilitY and perseverance of the officers, and the good conduct of • s oldiers arid seamen, both British and Native, those difficulties "'" been overcome, and peace had beets obtained equally honour ' t ° the British firma as satisfactory to the Government.— TI lC ! - e was also a brilliant exploit to which he would direct their Lordships' attention. Ile meant the capture of the fortress .0 , 111 6110 mi, which gave us security that the tranquillity of our 'alum Empire would not soon again bedisturbetl. 'lt wawa glad es isitleiati on th a t moa t o f th e na ti ons o f E uro p e s till en j o y e d p eace ra. a war of unprecedented duration ; and it was gratifying to ow that his Majesty continued to receive from them all assur tilers of unshaken amity, and that in conjunction with his allies his doing every thing in his power to arrest the progress of &tilitiel in whatever part of the world they might exist.—The • „ 1 °I)le Lord th en a ll u d e d to t h e di s t ress su ff ere d b y th e manufac -Ihrers, and th e conso l at i on to b e derived from. their patient obe ?lerieet to the laws of the country. 'ln fact, the operative clasaea dad given the strongest proofs of being fully sensible that their htatreases sprung from causes over which man had no contralti, and th a t the vigilant attentions of his Majesty's Ministers would nut tetritit any opportunity of assisting and relieving them to pass un needed. Much was to be expected from time and from patience .ialer difficulties and distresses. Already were those distresses "reeling, and every thing announced that shortly our commerce 7 0 141 d be rest ore d to that p rosper i ty wh i ch it was wont to enjoy, I Veultl replace the country on that eminent height on which it k 45 Used to stand. Lord KING had no objection to the Addreea. • Its only fault We e that it did not go far enough. It did not adequately describe 2,Stste of the country. Ile should th ere f ore move an amend 'l4l? supply itadeticiencies. Somethi ng was said in the Speech tang distress and its consideration, but not much to there! , He saw on remedy proposed; eo determination expressed 14 7 d the exp en dit ure o f t h e country , without which there 44,R 71 b e no cure.lle alaW no allusion to any other measure, stair! "lr "*“"• In fact it was merely " vox et praterau • -- tt!"'",? I'llitsfss and of those we had had enough already. TLS: new s aritt went: ahnoldacknowledge and abandon the sins aria! Ilg'anr°llilititeTitutfuitigTtireivand' iletrmine to lead a nsw life. The abolition o f t h 4 c l „ r „ I.4w : i t* much i goal if it had taken the front the Noble sAtr.. opposite, (Liver- Pool), and reduction of exp sn a iti, Houma. lint it would do uo t_ro tt , from his owe side of the v0ti 0g ,„..., Palace va i n .. p arli ....7_t eo, thing ; it was an Army- would do nothing 0. ( 010 t Ail e d hoped this one Parliament had legs sOlue . corrupt arts .aod some fo‘ovleiaiglii:tt:ouestxu. upset the the sitter was ; the throwing, of Dead n'Ys Whiett; wax felt though not understood, /and which. Wail ft question whether the Chancellor of the Eiceltequer,e4lot P r oPOlftlit, understood himself. The present Parliantent had d llttstOindemnify Ministers for having allowed the inip os s at i,„ of 4 ,11 k into the United Kingdom at a time when th e p orts were % It, To this he had no .objection ; but lie wished that th ey ls L.2 do more. The last Parliament was a slow learntr, It ,7 taken ten:years to learn a lesson of common policy t wo 14101 1 to Istern.the effects of a transition from war to peace ; one ,t l4 " . he.two to acquire the dockine of over production, awl one Ityiu to learn, hew to dig holes and then fill them up. The V I l 'ardoit Jew . o which it had learned was the Canada Corn • q u ' At Westniimter School ' they took full tan years t haith you . two La n guages moderately ; hut at least you were ee lit tWoliongs, miner and Virgil, well ; but in all that time it7..uuent how not learnt even song. If it had done any thing ‘,, i4 ad taken a lesson from the Noble and Learned Earl on the ' 4l4 aek—a lesson of pausing. If you travelled .aud saw an tstate in as ruinous eoudition, its it'd* uncultivated, its fence" down, y ou _ w o uld sayaliat it WWI 1W man's land, or that it Chancery, and that the Chancellor was doubting. if the L trY were in a state of distress, and the nation half ruined, it. Lehtatutte the Miuisters were doubting. Whilst the Chancellor. al a „, 1 -Watts went to rack and - Wa l ilit e„ I .ORD CHANCELLOR—That was when my Lard Kim ; • suoellor.—..(General laughter.) • litard_XlNG reamed. The capital of the country had dwind '' necause Majesty's Ministera Intl been pausing 44. ,7„7" 10 g. They,Were most extraordinary posers, and to toj am. ll tn the Nolih! Learned. Earl,. his pausing, did ~ to Poor salt Ors only, but theirs to the whole COW- .7 -- , / - ~ ( '44 ' ,-,/ No. 10,671. .. 4111 W 4.1 1 -...,. . ~.,,, j..... .......„ ,. ..\., PRICE To. WEDNESDAY EVENING, NOVEMBER 22, 1826. try. If our intelligent artisans were emigrating, and carry- 7 ing with them that knowledge which wouid establish manu factories in other countries, it was because Ministers were peals ' sing. If capital was driven out of the country—if profit was low—if our manufacturers could no longer compete with those of other countries—it was also because Ministers were doubting' and pausing. They were the most extraordinary doubters and pateiers, excepting Lord Chancellors-whether Loed Chancellor King or Lord Chancellor EldOn—he had ever witnessed. He must say, hetvever, in favour of the Noble Earl, that his delays only ruined the Suitors in his Court, while nothing less than the ruin of the country was caused by the doubts and pausing* of the Ministers. It was yet doubted whether the Corn Bill was to be a Cabinet question or not ; and, like the Catholic Question, he believed it Was not, because no measure of importance was made a Cabinet question. The famous Corn Bill of 1815. was not a Cabinet measure; it was got up by Irish jobbers, well seconded, indeed, by the jobbers both of England and Scotland. They fixed the price at eighty shillings ; at which sum they; in their great mercy, would allow the people to get bread. • They had not, in deed, always obtained this sum, but they intended to wring it from the people. If Parliament Wished to see in what light its conduct was received, let the Members look at the different pub lic Meetings. Their Lordships and. the other House of Parlia ment were considered as a body of landlords, who had the power to make what laws • they pleased, and made use of that power to levy a tax on the people. Of the other House it was said that the Country Gentlemen hid 'entered into an implied contract with the Ministers to support extravagant establishments, if Ministers would . secure them high prices. It was 'in t h is man ner the Parliament was spoken and thought of in the country. In this way was the extraordinary expenditure of the Goverinneut accounted for. The Country Gentlemen sanctioned the taxa tion of upwards of fifty millions a year. This was the cause why, in .the twelfth year of peace, there was no reduction of the National Debt; and why the peace, or rather war establishments still cost upwards of twenty millions sterling per annum. It seemed as if the object of Government was to try by experiment, not how cheaply, but how clearly and costly Goiernment could be carried on. We enjoyed the bad pre-eminence of being the most taxed people, and having the most expensive Government in the world. His Majesty, though it was so generally allowed that this enor mous taxation was a cause of &webs, said nothing in his Speech about reducing it. The estimates were to ,be framed with a consi deration to the exigencies of the public service, but not with any regard to the distress of the people. Under this view of the matter, he had drawn up an Amendment, which he should move should be added to the Address. His Lordship sat down by moving that the following Amendment be added to the Address : " trust that a steady adherence to just and liberal principles of policy will prevent a repetition of those distresses which, in the course of the last ten years, have repeatedly and severely afflicted all classes of your Majesty's subjects. " We have observed, with the utmost anxiety, those vicissitudes in the state and condition of the landed, commercial, and menu , tlicturing interests ; those alternate seuaons of prosperity and ad versity ; of a short and fallacious prosperity, followed :by wide spread calamity and ruin, so unusual, and so unnatural, in a period of profound peace. ". We cannot avoid comparing the titans and condition of all the great leading interests of the country during the last ten years of peace, and contrasting it with the uninterrupted prosperity and comfort eujoyed by all classes' of our . fellow-subjects dur ing the ten years which followed. the conclusion of the Ame rican war ; at that period the civil and military eatablishments` were fixed on the most economical scale of expense—the advan tages.of our insular situation were duly appreciated—a state of peace was then, also, a state of repose front unnecessary taxation ; the wise economy which afforded ease to the subject, prepared at the same time for the Government the means of those astonishing exertions which were called forth in the course of the last war— at the same time, with a taxation exceeding fifty millions,. little, if any progress has been made in the reduction of the na tional debt, and with a peace establishment of twenty tuillious, nearly quadruple, wr fear that, front time etotto of our fineness,' this kingdunm is very ill prepared to resist time aggreammioo of to-. reign states. " During this former peace, the prohibitory laws did not apply in practice to the most important articles of produce—to the , trade in corn. The ports of Great Britain were then constantly open ,to the adinission, of foreign wheat at a low and almost nomi nal duty, and, at no period of our history, did the landed interest as well aisthe whole cbrumuuity, enjoy greater security and pro sperity. The existing laws which prohibit the importation of foreign corn, except when the price of grain shall have been raised in the home market,,,to an extravagant height, are . found to be highly detrimental to the public prosperity ; they caused an unnecessary waste of labour in the cultivation of poor lands ; they enhance the•cost of food; they diminish the profits of stock ; they have a strong tendency to drive capital abroad ; they are most injurious to trade, by limiting the beneficial exchange of fo reign raw produce with the manufactured produce of British in dustry; they encourage the estiffilialiment of rival manufacture iu foreign countries; and lastly, they are unjust, inasmuch as they pre vent the people from. obtainieg a supply of the first necessary of life at the cheapest market. During the former peace, and until the unfortunate era of 1'797, the currency of the country was in a more fixed and perfect state, being composed in a large proportion of the lawful gold coin of the realm, not in its nature liable to excessive issues and sudden coatraction, we have since endiu•ed all the evils arising from a large, and in many instances, from an in creased circulation of paper, creating at one time, by undue exten sion, an artificial and delusive prosperity; and, producing at ano ther time, must sudden and severe reverses, destructive alike to prosperity and industry. In the course of ten years of uninter rupted peaces we have observed, with the utmost pain, the fre quent recurrence of a state of calamity and ruin, unexampled in the midst of war, and feel convinced that the only substan tial security for the future will be found in , reducing and retrenching the public expenditure, in full and entire re storation of a secure currency, . by the, removal of all traces of those innovations in our monetary system, made in 1'797, together with such additional securities as may be necessary to place that part of the cotaleocy consisting of the promissory note of private bankers, on a solid foundation; and above- all, iu respect of the Corn Laws, and in the, abolition of all that is still suffered to remain of the impolitic prohibitory code, which sacri fices the interests of the many of the f•w, and favours the pro ducers at the expenee of the great body of consumers, who are of the community at large." The LORD CHANCELLOR then put the Amendment to the vote, and it was rejected sub silentio and nenane contradicente. The LORD CHANCELLOR then put the question, that the original Address be agreed to. • The Earl of LAUDERDALE only rose in consequence of what bald fallen from the Noble Lord who had seconded the Address. His Majesty's Speech had graciously promised' that a copy of the Order in Council which was the cause of the asaeutbling of Parliament, should be laid before the House. The proper time for taking that Order in Council into consideration, would therefo re be when it should be on their Lordships table, and then be trusted that a motion would he made to itiveiitigate the subject. Bat he had not expected that any Noble Lord oil this oecasioa, and before the document was in possession of the House, would have urged its great propriety. This the Noble Seconder had done.— Ho hail prenouneed a panegyric on the measure, and he (the Earl of Landerdale)• only wished at present to guard himself from being "Robed to have acceded to the opinioa expressed by the Noble Lord. Hs certainly approved of • his Majesty's Ali nimter* applying to Parliament to be iudemnified for having com mitted a breach of the law • but h e must also own that he was most entirely takensuch by surprise ' at the issuing of such an Order in a period. The Duk e of nu had he not CKINGII.OI would have remained silent, pleiu, in - ; fe vo w ie w l o l, l epproviug as he did o d f the le ittiditaressor,itiois ap probation.ex S s, faith time grounds colours than they had been : 7 1 Lot necessary to paint deeper. ' "cult* an d distresses of the country , en the contrary, h e W i sh ~d " of them, in order that that a steady sober view fiat e I x t a ,moment should be lost in altering that System, edt bad for years been' the real source r of those difficulties ti'.r and tla aeß ' not 'a ins opinion, to any administration na l at Y. e.nee 1793, and established in that but to that system exittmg the 'country up and dow n to ox, which he'd continually work.. and ruin. Nothing but a the alternate extrentea of prosperity her. lie wished lie could liarturf 'from that system cal" sat* age. with the Noble Seconder,• that the ,distresses of the 'country were themselves'remov ; w but!thit was more than doubtful to hint'. it as true that we -hatl-beln at the top of the wave which the commercial tempests had raised, but all danger was not yet past. He would not argue those sub jects now, however, but only snake general statements to be argued after. But he was convinced that nothing would reach the evil save a change in the state of the currency. It should be determined what proportion of currency, between papers and metals, was necessary for the service of the country, anti Ministers, after opening a public competition in the money market, instead of trusting to the Bank of England, should- propose and establish by law that no larger a quantity of paper should be circulated through the country than the proportion which had been found necessary. They should be obliged not to commnnicate only with the body of the Bank, but to allow of fair competition. This would be sanctioned by the manner in which they had acted with respect to free trade. Concerning freedom of trade, he never could see why the question of Gnu could be separated from that of the other manufactures of the country. The free trade of his Majesty's Ministers was only an arrangement of duties to enable our manufinsturere to compete with foreigners. Why should not a similar arrangement be formed with regard to Coro The Ministers were appealed to by the. country, who expectud from them measures calculated to relieveiter from her distresses. They possessed her confidence, and she looked ill, to them, not . for high prices, for it was, neither the wish isertihe interest of farmers to have them ; but for a scale of duties, winch would allow fair emnpetition, and chiefly for some sscuilty as to stability, nut height of prices. He trusted his Majinty's Ministers would pro pose some measure of this nature, to place the commercial, ma nufacturing, and agricultural systems on such a footing as to re store the prosperity of the country. Earl DARNLEY should have acquiesced in the evident dispo balm of ther House to abstain from discussion, had it net been In a remark which had Callen from the last Noble Earl who had spoken. lie agreed with him that the time to discuss the Order in Council would be when it should lie before the House; but he should not do justice to his feelings, if he did nut state distinctly his opinion of the measure adopted by his Majesty's Ministers.— , Taking the circumstances of the time, and the threatening aspect of the crops in Ireland, into consideration, he would not only say that they were perfectly justified in adopting that nteasure, hut that they would have deserved the reprobation of their Lordships and of the country, if they had followed a different course. It was true that the crops in Ireland had turned out better than was ex pected, but they had done their duty, and he approved most highly of their conduct. Viseount CIA POEN said, that oats had entirely failed iu Ireland, though the crop of potatoes had been saved. The enormous price of oats both here and iu Scotland and Ireland, completely justified his Majesty's Ministers fur what they had done. Had not, by a dispensation of Providence, the rains come down about the middle of August, there would have been a famine in Ireland as sure as there ever was in Egypt. The Earl of LIVERPOOL—My Lori's, after the course which this discussion has taken, it is not my purpose to allude at any length to the topics which have been introduced into it. I can only say, that the address was framed in such a way as to render any opposition to it wholly unnecessary. Undoubtedly, the topics which have been broached by the Noble Lord who moved th amendment are highly important. Yet it must be obvious, that from the very extent and character of them, these topics, are such as no administration whatever "weld say that they were pre pared to discuss and decide upon, on the very first day of a Ses sion. A proper opportunity will be given to your Lordships for entering upon each of these important matte's), and I shall then be ready to bear my part in the discussion of them. With respect to the observations of the Noble Earl who complained that ilia Noble seconder of the Address had given his opinion on the Order in Council, it was undoubtedly competent to his Lordship to ex press his opinion on the matter; but still your Lordship have to pronounce your judgment upon the propriety of issuing it under the circumstances. But your Lordship must be aware that the order in Council must be eonfirtned by an Act of Indemnity. When that Bill conies to be discussed, one doubted'y an ample opportouity will - then be at forded to your Lordships . take' thw cows* you shall think proper—to move an A. ddrem confirming the propriety of the order, or reprobating its policy. My Lords, it seems minece9- Nary to add a word more; *bail content myself, therefore, with just reminding persons, who are but too well disposed to forget it after the event itself has passed away, that there was one fort night of the bummer which has just passed as alarming, with respect to the produce of the earth, as any period that ever was experieured..--(Hear, hear.)---But, my Lords, I would not rest the propriety of issuing the Order in Council even ou that fact, although I believe that no more substantial justification need be adduced for the act of Ministers than the appearance of the pro.. ductions of the earth just at the close of August and beginning of September. I only beg to remind Noble Lords of this circum stance, and to remind them of it particularly with reference to Ireland. Of the two great topics to which a Noble Duke on the cross bench (Buckingham) had alludtel; namely, the currency and the Corn Laws. lam disposed to say nothing at this moment. As to the first, I can only say, et present, that I have the misfortune to differ altogether front the opinions entertained by the Noble Duke, and with respect to the other I ant sure your Lordships will agree with me that it is not the pro- , per time to miter upon a subject which I admit to he of the first importance, and one that will demand, in this. Session, the most deliberate attention of your Lordships. But, my. Lords, with re epeet to that subject, I rise to say, and I now give notice, that since, in the first place, no very enlarged attendance of the Mein hers of your Lordships' House can be yet counted on, and seeing that you have been called together at this early season for a special impose, I rise to give notice that at the earliest convenient day,,, after the recess, it is my intention to call your Lordship.' attention to the important subject of the Corn Laws.--(Hear, hear.) The original motion was then put and eatried. On the motion of the Earl of LIVERPOOL, the Earl of Shaftesbury was appointed Chairman of Committees. On the motion of the Earl of LIVERPOOL, the Standing Or ders of the House were ordered to be retained. Adjourned at Half past Six o'ClocL HOUSE OF COMMONS• TUFSDAY. The SPEAKER took the Chair at a few minutes before two o'clock, and was almost buntediataly summoned to the Rouse of Lords by the Ushor of the Black Rod. Upon his return the ce. rentony of swearing in Members was continued until half-past four o'clock. The SNEAKER then commenced the Parliamentary business by introducing the Bill for the More effeotually preventing clandee.. tine outlawries, which was read the first and second time; aft er which he read through the sessional orders. Lord nonm AI rose, and said that he was anxious to offer him self to the attention of the House at the earliest passible opportu nity. There was something peculiar in his return to Parliament, which put hint in a dileibma when he considered that sessional order which had just been rod, respecting the double return of any member He had been twice returned for the borough of Leo miuster—in one indenture with Mr. Bish,•and iu the other with Mr. Rowland Stephenson.: His name, however, was iu both in dentures. There were, as the House might naturally suppose, some very peculiar circumstances attending that election, which it would be improper in him to enter into upon that occasion, but he must beg lein'e to assure the Mame that he himself was impli cated in nerve of them. It was , always intended that.his return should be full and complete, but he now offered himself to the House, and would respectfullybow to their decision on the subject. The SPEAKER said that the moot convenient mode of pro ceeding would be for the Clerk to reati the return as entered in the books of the Wow. , The Clerk then resin the indentures, whi c h were p rec isely as his Lordthin lied stared them. A tr. W YNN observed, that he believed it h a d already beendecided, dee4led, that the order *Wetting the . .double return:o f any Mem per did not e xte n d to such a case *shin Lo r dehip's.--1 Hear, hear.) His Lord s hip th e n resumed his , seat. Lord ALTHORP gave notice that t o - morrow he should renew the motion respec ti n g the resolutions aga i nst bribery, which had been Peseed in t h e p rece ding session, his.: LITTL E T O N g ave notice o f a motion f or t h e rowel of the standing order s respecting select committees for private. hills. 1 The SPEAKER then announced to the H ouse , t h at be had been to the Hous e o f Peers, and heard the *Neck from t h e throne, of which, lu ord er to prevent Mistakes, he hart obtained a coPh and woul4 now read it to the Howie. . I (For the King's s m ell, see our Lords' report.) The Hon. Mr. LIDDELL rose-to move the Address, To ad" • ets that Howe., f or .11 1 c Wat time, even under• any eircum stances, was no light matter; but, after the gracious Speech of hie Majesty, Which had just been read, and upon this peculiar subject, he could ,not help feeling that he stood in ueed of all that indulgenee which the House was never backward in extending to new Members. His Majesty's SPeech might, be divided into four heads ; first, the late Order in Council for the admission of foreign grain ; secondly, the glorious conclusion of- the war in ' India; thirdly, the assurances of the friendly intentions of Foreign Powers, and the anxiety of his Majesty and his allies to arrest the progress of existing hostilities, and to prevent the interruption of peace in different parts of the world • fourthly, the sympathy which his Majesty expressed with the sufferings in the manufacturing districts, and hie satisfac tion at the exemplary patience with which th a se sufferings bad been generally borne. With respect to the first, hie Ma jesty was of opinion that, the Legidature would confirm 6( :order of Council. lf he good effects of that measure had 111414;bren seen' as well as the distress which necessarily fidlowed higl: prices of the market. He need not dwell upon the fact that the dearness of provisions was always accorepanied by distress, or speculate upon the additional sufferinge which the country mutt have undergone if this measure had not been carried into curet ; but he would say, that if the Miuisters had beheld the distreseeeof the country, withtmt alleviating them, by bursting through the *hackle* with which they were. bound, and' applying the remedy of tide wstbetilifeil interference, they would 'have dewrved con detonation, while they were now entitled to every man's applause. He wise convinced that the Hottse would feel no difficulty in giv ing its sanction to this measure. With respect to the second point whatever opinions might be entertained respecting the commence ment of the war in India, all must rejoice at its glorious conclu sion. In his opinion, however, the commencement of the war was proper, because it was a necessary measure, and the experience of more than half a century had proved that when treatise and pacific measures were found insufficient, the British Government in India must show that it had the power of redressing its wrongs, and of punishing the aggressors. He trusted that this severe lesson would teach the prveumptuotts Court of Ava to confine itself to its own dominions. Upon the third head, he could only express his hope that .hie Majesty would succeed in his pacificatory intentions, and especially as far as regarded Por tugal and Spain. While this portion of the affairs of the country were under the superinteadauce of the Right Hon. Gentlemen near him (Mr. Canning), he Was convinced that the dignity of the realm would be upheld, and its interests carefully attended to. The House had not yet forgotten his early recognition of the in dcpendeuce of the Spanish colonies), or the benefits which had accrued to the trade of the country from that measure for that, the nation 'owed a debt of gratitude which could never be for gotten; and he could not help indulging in the fond hope, that the period was not very far distant when the time, and the ta lents, and the attention of that Right Honourable Gentleman, would be devoted to depressed, persecuted, and insulted Greece. He trusted that, before long, that unhappy country would en joy the rank to which she was entitled among the indeptudent Sovereignties of the world. Ile might, perhaps, Lave gone too far upon this point, but he hoped that he should be excused if, iu his deeire for liberty, he had overstepped the limits of his' subject. The fourth point was the most difficult part of the office he had undertaken. The country well knew that his Ma jesty sympathized in those unhappy sufferings which the mon facturiog districts had undergone; the country had witntssed'his charity and mouiticence in this particular ; the acts of his Ma jesty here spoke for themselves, and he wotild not weaken them by any praise of his. He was aware that, independent of these sufferings in the manufacturing districts, distress had been, and was, still prevalent iu other parts, but he trusted that Parliament would shortly be able to apply a remedy for all these evils—' In spite of all that had happened, though the House could not expect that the year's revenue had been unimpaired, yet there was much in his Majesty's Speech to keep off despondency the internal consumption of the country had not materially fallen off, and, amidst all the distress, the exemplary conduct of the operatives furnished subject at least for consolation : they had been excited upon this, as upon for Mer occasions, but the in fluence of such pecions was now lomt . npoit then . ), aml their :Or ice was rejected with scnru: The Honourable Gentleman trusted that trade would soon revive, amid the country would surely, though perhaps slowly, return to a better state : he hoped that the gambling speculator would be expelled, and the tonna capitalist rise; and that as the turbulent storm was accustomed to clear the atmosphere, so the late violent couvulsiuns of the country would only have the effect of purifying the political atmosphere. The. Honourable Gentleman declared his respect for the present ad ministration, and his determination to support it; but assured the House,, that, unbiassed by party zeal, be would treat all ques tion.+ as he believed them to deserve, as long as the great county which had sent bins to that House thought fit to continue him as their representative. If lie had spoken too long, or introduced topics which were somewhat irrelevant, he threw himself on time indulgence of the House, and would conclude by moving that tin humble. Address be presented to his Majesty. [The Hon. Gentleman then read the Address, which was an echo of his Majesty's Speech.] Mr. WYNN, in rising to second the Address, said, that he did so with feelings of great anxiety, and of :great pleasure also. They had all that day an opportunity of witnessing the parental regard the Sovereign had manifested for the preservation of the rights and liberties of the people, and they must. feel that the royal prerogatives, so far from 'Ring iuconsistunt with those rights. anti liberties, mutually supported each,other. Among the topics of congratulation afforded by the Speech from the Throne, was the announcement of peace, and the gratifying prospect of its continuance. The termination of a war, such as we had been en gaged in in the East, was attended with mutiny and peculiar ad vantages, on which it was needless to expatiate. The pro spect of the continuance of this peace, however, was more to be relied on from our internal means of preserving it, than from any external causes. Within ourselves, we must look fur its preservation as well as fur the proitecistion of war, if war should at any time be found neeeesery.— England was a country, powerful in more respects than though elown dime t one—it was a commercial, an agricultural, and a martial, country, and, unlike the dangerous beauty of Italy, which, whilst it presented a temptation, presented no formidable resist ance* invasion, it possessed ample and varied means to repel inva sion, and on any and every occasion to vindicate itielf. Our commer cial importance imparted habits of diligence, and brought with it knowledge to direct that commerce in useful and profitable cluttmels. We had an active and industrious agricultural columunity--;-a fer tile soil—,presenting a flat face favourable to the growth of corn, and of every kind of agricultural Produce., Moreever, we hail a warlike sword and a martial spirit to protect us, and these coni bitted resources raised us above the apprehension of fear from the gripe of foreign aggression. In our foreign relations we were happily situated, for which we were indebted to the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs (Mr. Canning), who at once eil the dignity of this country abroad, and preserved it front the miseries of war. He would advert to the policy which that Right Hon. Gentleman had so euceelefully market' out for this country at the time that the French passed over the Pyrenees into Speiu, at which time the neutral pulley acted upon and maintained as the judicious and nature' one for this country to (dome under the relations in which she stood to . v t a h r e ds u l i ) e o h tl t t Gentleman, on that trying occa, of liberty-,-had assisted the high cirtanustawee of the nowlr.ige of the Law of tints that atr i l u l t lad a r t , i ) i u sp u l d ay t e i d wglia,astrta c e° l 4) i t a lt r iz: a ti c r4 t iaes t. 4 l .ll -t tt i t f il l fil : Ale ng i len ttiigl tl eh : f u r n il'4'l d iol , nh a . t time same time, prevented this emiumplaint not afforded to Spain, country from an indiscreet display o , t k ' i lit r ot t l. he c ze n oo lie g i a l t l i a t tl iou had ot e 'le m p ,i u ti t c l i t 'A a merican States, w ye l t ot ir o a;r e es on w si e d r e e rv tak i t e t t le t that the ti”:,folteueniietstihoettihesrtraugtg,t-,liiane Country,xasga.biaiimutett not he disindined to teems of amity with itttch:i!lesliti!4iitlilliit.glasiltarmyilh..iiit;t_ii(emietto,tutn''raldAioultuitelleeti t h ese occasion's the Right Mu. Gentleman, in his opinion, hail feared b d a is t pl u a we y: se tl t te it tl i i t s i t ie ra p te ros q:d r i o t u ie s e p e ol f ic a y o f A r r e l l e d at o%i t i v e:l 9 ' pr a i t; c i e c a vr d h u" o ed uhle t t a to f obs er g % was s u c h as to lead ether countries, unwillingly, to adopt that recognition for which Cintleman, the possession of whose commanding d, in the „zt i , i i(x iese lt t a t r t yni. s o ta u t pl e iit t l i e f ti t :e lt i e :n. w . present state of the New Co l ' unie * - ^in the that l in . stimkg between them--with the line of demarkation jealousies s Right lion Gentleman. In the differencesPhr4atlln, yet anti► trl h r exercise; O f that diplomatic skill which between +.'h elm Fortugal-:aeountries which were n o t s o mu d, separated distinct *eauttoiibrst;til,fa to attthlitdee ' boundary u thififene and as it were, a tutu= sal antipathy tovgrde each other ; and again, in the VW of un fortunate.Greeee—the foreign policy of the Right lion. Gioia/- man wait entitled to the commendation he had already bestowed on the other parts of it. 'On the aireirs of the latter country (Greets!), heforbore, for obvious reasons, front expatiating:at pa- e scut—ho dared not to trust -himself with the expressions of indigna tion which he felt against those who had wasted that country. In looking to the present situation of this and of other countries, he could not think it safe and honourable to its interests, that the Civil acid Military establishments of this country should he reduced to what was understood by the term a peace establishment. With the. present military aspect which the nations of _Europe:presented, he did nnt think that England could he reduced, in point of military force, to that low standard which, under ordinary circumatauces, every . friend to his country would gladly see it reduced to. The next r point of the King's Speech was that. which related to the. Orders in Council. The admission of oats, under the circumstances wirier which they pare admitted, was expedient and necessary. What was the situation of the country at the time of their ad ; mission ? The price of oats had greatly risen in this country.-- r there was a deficiency, or at least a just apprehension of a de& ciency, of bread, even for a great portion of the population of this r country, and all the apprehended dangers of scarcity from a failure of the potatoe crop. It was not easy to contemplate the extent , of distress in Ireland, in the. event of the failure of the potato,/ crop. In this state of the country, Ministers, in his opinion were fully justified in the exercise of the discretion. which Parliament 'had reposed in them. As he had incidentally mentioned Irelatid, he would take this opportunity of stating, that he would always • take the deepest interest in whatever concerned that interesting, lovely, and beautiful eountry—(a :alight laugh).-..rued that he w o uld h e glad at all times to promote airy mnerrsure that might. contribute to the welfare of diet noble race of men, provided the intended benefit was consistent with the maintenance of our establishments in Church and State, There were no measurer, however, in his opinion, which weuld More contribute to the improvement of Ireland, than the residence of her landed proprietors, and the encomagetneut Of the investiture of English capital there. Upon the subject of the Corn Laws, he was open to conviction. As far as his present information wept, however; he .did not see any occasion him en alteration in them j t 'ku : h h hi a l t i a t: t oc io sta us h e f a Pe i s t y c i y o o t t tol h i n al a ni t t e le , i x i re i e ci s r agri c a e r l i e sf o te n l f : h : t s a r h ta ; i t e l:i l s e t4fu e n i r r e u r ed t e iln i a :o l i y f f . e M e 7 x i it e t tl' i l r i e ls r i te a l f r o d d e ' ,s o :e P i g L e. y a i e. ai -ri lE t w d : ration in the Corn Laws. Though dietreisi Led extensively pre vailed, yet he hoped it would In soon dissipated, through their • exertions, and the favourable dispensations of Provideuce ; that the clouds which hung upon the horizon would exhale, and the country be raised and cheered by its returning, sure of glory sod prosperity.--(Hear, hear.)--The Hon. Gentleman concluded by aeronding the amendment. - • Mr. BROUGHAM next rose--Sir, it has often hem my lot, of later years, to compleiu, that the older end inure usual practice has been ebaudoned, which made Members acquainted beforehand substantively, though imper fectly, with the contents and topics intended to be introduced into the Speech from the Throne. 'llst practice, which iuforni . ed Members a few days before they were called upon to de cide what it was they were to decide upon, seems no longer to be followed—yet I cannot but consider diet it was the safest, the fairest,, and most convenient course that could be adopted, and that the departure (rum this former arid ordinary rule has been, .in all imitate:es with which . I um acquainted attended with great inconvenience. Often as I have felt and com plained of this inconvenieuce, and though I am of opinion that it had bran better if the Nutter rule were still perserted in--yet, I am deprived .of the privilege of the complaint on thii occasion ; for I could not experet that any person could listee to me with a grave eutintenanee, whilst I WAS complaining that I turd trot an opportunity of reading, considering, mid digestieg, a Speech, which (as fir as I ,nay judge, (rein being obliged hastily to take s it up, and peruse it), is made up from beginning to end of blanks (Hear, lieur)—a speech, in which Iris Majesty's Miuisters have s a id so little, and told so many nothings (hear, arid a lauelt), arid from which they have left out entirely the mention, and even al lesion, :of all subjects which might and ought to be discussed. Such is my impression with respect to the Speech, and such, I ant satisfied, is the impressiodof all who heard it --:-not even with the exception of the Hon. Gentleructi who so ably moved Mid seconded it. Though this is my innate conviction, as well as I believe it to he theirs, I do not mention it as it matter of blame to Ministers such thing—l only mention it as an inconve nience coneaqueut upon the fashion of making a Speech. It was intended, no doubt, to lee what it tear--u mere civility to a aew Parliament : and, as in similar civilities on such an occa sion, it was planned—and the plan was faithfully followed ep—to say as little as possible. Let us hope, however, that we 111,y soon see this useless and unseemly solemnity—l do not wish to use a harsher term—altogether dispensed with. 'Mat the *over and Seconder concur in opinion with me that tliere was nothing hi the 'Stitticle' they gave the best proof, by escaping from it ire quick as possible. In order to snake speeehes th e p e i e lees ; and, as they did not poseees the faculty of waking veechem upon nothing, they were obliged to diverge from it ; and, instead of discussing what it contained, they were forced to dist'lth3 what it omitted. In one of these digressions in which tire Hon. Seconder indulged, he gave a description of the country, to which i tipplied the epithets' of fertile and flat ; the form e r o f which, I regret, is not at all, though the latter is very, applicable to the Royal Speech ; for, though it wail not fertile, no one could deny that it was flat.—(Cheere and laughter.)--There was one passage of the Speecle which adverted vaguely to r e tre nc hm ent and economy; , turd at this p assage the Hon. Seconder caught alarm, that economy may be carried to too low a degree. But the Hon. Gentlemen (Mr. Wynn) must be acquainted with it ais well as I am, that there is a rule of law, which lays it down, that deception frequently lurks smiler generalities ; and if he had es much experience in this House as I have hail, he would knows that' there was no generality under which a deception might be more naturally suspected to lurk, than the vague and general re commendation to retrenehment to which lie bad adverted. The apprehension of tine Hon. Gentleman seemed to be, that Minister* would adopt tno low a scale oteeonouly, Let the lion. Member entertain no Merin upon that score. Even if the Speech had pledged Ministers; which h did not, to lare.geLnanivilectxuteruesei.vineßureduht tretichment; the Hon. Menther need nut lie apprehensive of that re cominendation being carried into effect in any x there was no such reeoninunulution its' the. Royal Spee c h ; i t *merely contained some such gen era l vague expression as that care should he taken that the Hatimirtm be form e d with as attention to economy as the exigencies of the public servi ce w ilt permit. But the Estimates at all times, even ilk the moat extra vagant times of Government, were always propertied .with at least this qualificatiou. This was the ordinary language resorted toy, yet the country derived no very material advantage from it, re.en when specific pledges were given in language much more em phatic—not even when it was proposed and declared, that the' wishes of the whole people might he complied with. For my part, I have an apprelietision very different from that of the Hoar. Gentlenum, and expect that the alarm which he entertains trill he swiftly dissipated by the very first prigs- of the first estimates that are laid upon the table...(llear, hear. )—The omissions iu the Speech, of which I complain, have been but ill supplied by the digresaions introduced by the Hun. Member on Ireland, arid on retrettelunent generally. Extraordinary it is, indeed, that when the Wilde of all men are turned towards Ireland —wh en , there is bittime prevailing feeling throughout the empire with respect to the affairs of that country—iwlien, then, it is the general and thorottgli conviction, that there is the most urgent demand fur speedily, though seriously, considering the state of that eoun try, of appcasinrg her rii e ru !ohirl i ni si,:lioo eanv_drtlievdi not Ireetsls ing her n.anifol t l evils ; yet, that the name of Tenu b 4 n►eutiuneci ant the Royal Speech.--(1.ourl cries of " - hear, hear.")—lt is remarkable —lei me hope it isnot onlitiom—that the veer reritsuri .to the banking out of the Meetlya , e:ortant crisis the inittds of all ry opes An►erica tieing conquerecl by chew urigleot, or Ilse mtb 'were turned tßuvarrlc Arlie i li ' lleen 't sy s etdp ' i l iwur . • 7ith h quivering i T.na tt , ex t V: itc, ""Lny it of a l,rarl,eque , rand satire our libed her, sand cast inter priauu. IYc► ielwrn senmlcl surely ' AinVritra. thiAl, its Ireland now, was not even mentioned or alluded to in this Speech from the Thriatrc, lieu lase from ishtes extinguislwel, when the Speech Mate 11 ° 11 ' 144 " n " Ilarigil "' it way conrsielerecl to he that tine first persiore who published it *her/iv/art treated IS knowing any t t ri r e e WO , 14 1 "4 'Maki for the lot sit n►ontl,a, Royal "~l,eea,h did ,cut routaur, sat; it trtrglat to core m""''' nuln t i a* i L 11 . 4 Il liCalintlle satisfactory tenons Air Th e oin i ik i ons persona s lsteja-t; X • veil abstain frown• doing sel, me the teed of hear hese)."-do lira it front the hullers c,4::::: a i., , j .ii i T i ' n ti 4 t s } t i r:l c r 4,.. 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