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PARI;IAMENT. HOUSE .OF PEERS, WEDIAMAY, JAR. 27: • Lords CHARLEVILLE and.SAmitix took the oathi mid their seats., . Colonel DRxt4x.wkrErt ,presented., , Re= port of inc ryN,dicai committee: H ' l'A CI t; IG M N. Lord IlAwny.g.eu pretented the Correspond enc,c of the Courts of Petershurgb ~and Vienna, re their Offer of.,Mediatioti. for a ; General Peace.—Ordered to lie on the table.. _ . The. Bishop of Oxroan,,,after dwelling at some length 0n... the inconveniences and hardships that , arose from the Bill. passed last Session,, entitled the Curate,' Suspension Bill, brought ha a Bill for the ilepeal of that The LOILO CHANCELLOR observed, th;it the Bill to which the Reverend Prelate alluded, was to expiie forty days after the - ,opening of the present Session of Parliament, That it was the intention of Parliament,44-Inniiing it to that duration, that suf trient-titne: should he.given 'for considering- its pro visions : that the Bill was.brought up frcm the other .Htluse at so' rate a period last SesSion, that no time could Cien be ..afforded., for the consideration and ' discussion of its merits ; that it was accordingly put off with that. limitation.to : the present Session, with view . to its undergoing ,a full and mature hives 14;aion, That it would nooe respeOful to that tntentiou of Parliament, that the question should be suddenly, started' and hastily:disposed, of, ~.tt was his opinion, therefore, either. that, ,the should lie allowed to expire, and that then upon the dis-- CLlfigioll of it merits, it tnight be proposed to repeal it or not • or, that a distantday might be appointed for the discussion of the Bill new: introduced by the Revered prelate, and that on that distant day appointed, the merits of the question might be fully entered into. The Duke of NORFOLK and . Lord LAUDERDALi deprecated any sudden decision of the. question, as time, ought to. be allowed to those whcnri it had in volatliin perplexing embarrassments, to take such measures as prudence might suggest for their extri cation. • • , T:ie Bishop of (),FOltD•Silicl a few words. in reply, and, propoSt.d.thiSdy,senoight.for the second read ingot the Bill ; which was agreed to. „ BALTIC .EXrtIYITION; Lord T-likwiasuctuv gave notice, that he should to,Merrow move the. Thanks of that Honse,to the Naval. and, Military Officers employed in "the Expe , to Copenhagen. The Duke of Nottrotti. gave 'notiee, that to ' morrow se'nniglit he should move for certain Pa- pers relative to the. Attack on Copenhagen, and • the events that folloWed it. Lord fiAvacisaint wished.tolcnow the nature of the particular PaPers which it' was , the intention of . the Noble Duke to move for. . . Luke of NontioLK replied; that-he should take an opporttinity' mm counleating it to the Noble Secretary.' HAvytESI3IIIVZ then laid on the table the different Orders in Cot neil that have at different t ; rt l vri respe6l.ite; the Trade carried on by Neu t Lard AUC'KLdND rose, aml asked the Noble Secretary if it. was the 'Mention of his Majesty's Government to institute any Parliamentary Pro ceeding realyeEting . the intention and the - expeded result of these tneaseres. If such was the intention of Govetninent, he was of opinion that aortae fur ther documents should be laid befOre the HoUse, or some count - tent and'ckpfanatibn of . the Orders in Council should be afforded by Aknitters of the dif ferent hearings oft,hese Orders, beltire it 'w,oeld.be possiblefor the House - (at least for hiM) , ter come at any distid n and accurate'knowfe'dge - of viiliat were the commercial or lie political 'effeets - With which it was expected that these diderent Orders:W-661d be attethied. Lord fI.dIFICES:FIORY said,''that he did not tikiLk any further .doehrnthts wOuld br PeeeisAFY for a foil understanding•and diseussiOn of these, Orders. It.eertairtly was the intention of bis Majesty's Go vernment, that some Proceeding should be instituted in. Parliament, ~ , r ovvitig ont of. these Orders in and ti..t; C., - ,.s l °l)rocectlitig was,expetted to. vrigitiate ill il,ioLlwt. pi, ice, When .if afterwards came before. that ,Hous,o, he should feolithiq duty to lay' before their f r ordsitipq hiS View - ol . the mat ter, and the - cUti s equenees ,he capes. 64,.W0u1d suit train it, . Lord AUCKLAND thought - that 0,14 e 51) tittid be lost in Carn i to• A run underitattding of these orders, and a satistactoryi explanation of the effeas they' were' likely to prodti. -To him, though he had eroploye4 the best efforts, of his understalicling to comprehend them, they retnained'utterly unintel lig,hlc, or, at, best, he could only diszover that they full of contradictions . , and that " they. must ‘s, holly tnhhige.t . he ; present •commercial-system -of the Country. fie, therefore, felt himself under the to coi.,Sity ot LiIUYIII lui cert,tin documents that were :11:lepa ttrlAy conne*d with the, abject "of these Ch dors. Among others, for th e bechiration' drawn up' by himself, in conjunatio ith hi., Noble colleague le, :that business (Lin'd floiland), and • presented. to the American Plerdpotenti:iries, an the. 2 lit of De cember, 1806 ; also, ibr a Copy of the,Deerge lour. ecl" by the French Governs lent, •which seemed to aftind the ground and justification of . 'the Orders in Linyl IMIVICESBUitY had no ohjeetion to the prodealon of theimbstance of the firsl.paper,meu tioned the - Noble Lord ; ,but liti"hat'it 'not in oothian4 from his Majesty, to laY the,Tre, - ity 'it was conneded , With ;'.;:fore that Home) he Wilsehet aware bow the'Deciaration celled for could be regularly land beforeTarliatnelit all lei did he tree itt what thape, or from what authority he'could Alroducc the Decree of - the irifafcit Govettistoeut. were;, tin doubt, French I pla,),.c.u.ons which jiforessed to record that-Decree .as an oacial illittlifestatioti of t hat hitt as the Aa itself was not eartimunicated thrOugh any oflicia; channel to the British GOvern.. ment s he was•at a loss to know in: whay.Mtratier it could,De regularly laid before the - Hon , ;.:e. howeVeroakaa few daya,to consider pt - thzpropriety .of producitig those documents. To the proentlion of the substance 'of them, ashe bad already observed; J. telt no objetion. .I,IW U. 1111 /La. , wll 111, Friend' (Lord Auckland), in repreienting the 040 in Connell4.wboily unintelligible, and wishatheY had been accompanied 'with a tianslation,like the other:;_ Papers that. beett'faid on the table ; bnt : .4, - had also tO ins* on their ,illegality, and of , the necessity of producing the eiplanations;4 bid), after the promulgatidn of the French Decree of -No vember last, had been given at Paris to the American I Minister by the French Government; — With - oat - that • explonition, it was iipposible to, kiow.74avirtb4 views - `ref the french Government were in' issuing : that Decre ,, '.end without that knowledge, wo to tinc.i4Nanaamanner iq i Wbieh it was intended that the Piders!iti Council ' ' were to cohn- , terad the operationsof the French Decrec't planation he wished 'l,ot,inight, no. ;doubt, be had from:some cif t tvliiiisters of the Neutral Powers residing'in this ,Country, as it was welik,noytin that it had - been communicated to Mr,''Arnistron,,,a at Paris; and was no doubt communicated to the Mini sters of other Neutral Powers. - His- Majesty's Mi nisters must also•be sensible, that . the Orders - in Council were violations.of-the Law of Nations, and of the municipal laws of the land ; and he should be glad to know, if, under that impressinn twas not their intention to apply to Parliament fer an At of Indemnity. , . . - Lord 1141FICESEVRY was not aware that any such explanation wa* in the possession of . 1 - sis Ma jesty's Ministers ; or that if it- was, bow it could be produced in any regular shape or foriu.—As to the. illegality of the Orders in Council, it was possible that they -were literal violations of the existing laws ; .but the new circumstances in which the ciatn .merce of the world had been-placed since the last ,1 Session of. Parliament, had created a case that fully ' explained the necessity elsuch MeasureS,,and mant s felted their propriety. It was therefore possible that Ministers would apply to Parliament for a Bill of Indemnity. Lord <I UCK,L,IND again adverted to the intelli gibility of the . Orderii, and .to' the ruinous effeas which We)/ must produce on our commerce, These . .he would exemplify fur the present in three points, ist, The opening of a trade with Jersey and Gnerti sey; which. if persevered in, must cut up the Re venue by the roots.-2dly, The opening of the , fkorts of Malta and Gibraltar ; and. 3dly, The permission afforded to Anieriea to trade witicour colonies. As to the papers be had - moved for, he should not now . press his Motion, only in the ho'pe, however, that the Noble Secretary would_ upon retleetion,' and . after a ,few days re-consideration, consent - to'iiroa duce them, otherwise he should then renew his Motion. ' Zhe CHANCELLOR of . the EXCHEQUER fert, necessary to apprise the House of the coprse .he ptiiiposed to follow with respeEt to the Bill which he had brought itilst Session, for the bettllegu lat ion of the 14 ode ; gf Colic :Sling the Assesag;Taxes. It would be rFeolTered thk he had,, in fife former 1 Session, brought in this Bill with an intention.th suffer it to lie over to the present Session, _in order' to litoW 'titile for - theist Olt Were carry . ckeenttoit to , take its pr s into their considera tion.t and to fOrrn their judgment _upon its expe diency. For': this purpose. it. ,had been printed and circtipted thioughout . the,COuntrt• and he had;then to state, that; during„the recess, ge. had :received: nombercif. communications from various (loaners, many - of them entitled to the highest attention, ob- jeding to some of the, provisions of the Bill. He had taken these communications into his most se- rious 'consideration, and the result was, thaflie felt it . would not be desirable to retain , ;lie Obnoxiout' clauses it the Bill ; it was therefore not his inten-: lion to proceed further with that Bill, but as soon as it could be're-cast, - be should move for leaye to bring it in . clear of the clauses 'most objeEted to. Lord. 11-1. PETTY took that 'occasion- to , put a question to the Right I-lon Gentleman opposite. That Right Hon. Gentleman bad fixed a day for re . * ferring the Orders of Council presented yesterday to the Committee of Ways and Means, but he had not stated 'on Whatday he proposed to move for leave to bring in the .1114'01)4y, which-le-bad stated his , jntention to bring forward, for certain gis done by Ministers tinder these Orders of Coun cil. It was- desirable that the House shotil,l be ap prised of the'day on which this question should . .be brought forward, because, whenever is gh iltt be under discussion, the House would have:to:cor?Sider it in two points .of. view ; first, whether the imme diate necessity was such as to entitle his glitjety's Minbiters - to the* indemnity they claimed ; and iq the event of its being so considered, whether that necessity was sufficient to cover all the violatio.ns of law committed by them, under the Otders of Council. k • The ciiiiNCE4L OR of the EXCHEQUER did not know what answer -;to give to the Noble Lord, because he could not collet.t what was tin.: rib jett of his inqUiry. He had undoubtedlYiiVeti lice, that he should, on Wednesday, move to'refer the Orders of CounCil to a Committee 'of Ways and. Means ; he had certainly declared, that it was not his Intention to propose any Bill of Indemnity for issuing the Orders of Council, because he was'pef: waded there was nollegality in '• the . transa6liou.— But thereltad been perm tneasurett resorted - to ,in coe•equence of these Orders of Council, which re-, quired indemnity from Parliament, for those who' had been concerned in advising. and wait% upOn" them:' It was not an unusual proceeding, not with. the preient ~Government,..but with any,, to issue Orders of Council concerning matters, and he would beg of the Noble , Lord to restrain his 'judgment till he should know more fully the 'nature of those proceedings for which it was proposed to apply, for a 1 Bill of Indemnity: One o f 'those was a mere mea sure adopted reseeaieg , goods imported •on the oc i casion from. Portugal. From the- hurry-, in' which British subje&s brought themselves and their goods away from . Portugal, it was impossible' to provide native shipping. They took advantage of Neutrals to convoy themselves and ,their property to Great Britain. It was thought but just to issue Orderi to the Officers of the Customs to' permit those gooda to be landed, and, as by the. Navigation' Laws they could net be legally : imported, except in , British Ships or POrtuguese Vessels, it became therefore ne cessary to get an indemnity for the transadtion.-; This 's is but one of the measures which . required that, an Aet of Indemnity should be applied for, end , he trusted the House would be, o f opinion ; that : this was a case which entitled - the prr4on4 corned to protection. Again he 'had to repoaL - that' the. Orders in .Council , were' not cotitriO. to laeyr and did not consequently require any Bill of In 4, deinnity. Lord Hrontir PETTY (after a gentle hint from the • Chair, that there was no Question before the House) apologised to the Right Hon. Gentleman for riot having more distinctly put his 'question. He had the satistaaion, , however, to learn what his'ques tiun to obtain, in the explanation given by'the Right Hon. Gentleman, that it Was pet his Intent, tiou to move for an ACt *Of indemnity to cover the illegality of any of the Orders of CounciL The CHANCELLOR of the Exeut.:Quaft , again re-i: peated i , that be•had never stated any Antentron to bring in a Bill of Indemnity for the Orders of Coun-. cil, because they involved nu violation ofAilW, and could not consequently require any inderrinification- Jor the parties who had advised them: What he had 'stated -was, that certain measures, had beeb adopted: under these Orders of Council. which required in. , detnnity, and it was for those measures th4t the Bill', he proposed to bring in was to' indemnify the per,, suns who had any share in them, . Mr. Wattogave notice, that he should on Friday , next move the Numaer; of'Seamen for the Service ,I,of the present Year.—Adjourned. • • Lord BA7'IIURST shortly explained Upon the pointsalltided to by the Noble Lord (Auckland). — The first: ..was Sufficiently to be 'understood from the documents hefote the House. The-second was in tended to facilitate tad with Spain, Portugal, and generally with the . Mediterranean.. The third was an, ,indulgence which* under the .present .circum stpces wah thought advisable to gratt the Ame ricans. . Lord GRENPILLE loudly inveighed agaifist the illegality of the Orders.in ; Council. .He could not think it Willi so intended': but the hew sy.tent now attempted to hu 'set, Was"' the most flagrant viola tion of every law that any Minister ever 'ventured on since the reign of James 11, and twist end in the complete ruin of the commerce of th e country, Lord HAWKESEURY contended, that the measures so reprobated by the Noble Baron, Would, upon a fuller explanation of their principles and , operations, appear - to deservea verrdiflerent charac ter and.that so far from being injurious, ,t.hey, would be shown to have proved beneficial to the trade of the country. Adjourned.. HOUSE' OF COMMONS. WEDNESDAY, JAN. ;27. .Mr. Rose, in pursuance of his notice on the subject of the ,Attiericm intercourse Bill, moVed, that the House do to-tiferrow . resolve itself into a' Committee of the Wirok'House, th'consider of theioid, Bdl. • He shohld cooti.nt himself .for the present with,simply ,moving to that eife6t, but he proposed to submit : such observations as he had to otfer on the' subjea to 7 motrow in the. Committee. The MotioreevaS then put and :greed to. • Several' Election Pet4ions were presented, end ordered to be, taken into consideration tin the follow ing.days respaiively.:—Saltash, ou -the right, and -Saltash•double return., on the same days as former, Petitions Of a similar description frftio (oat Borough. Bridgewater, Thors v iay, , March ininster, T...uay, march ii(2.—Qhrist Church, Duugarvori; Tuesday, March 9.9.-- e Newry, Thursday, March 3 t. On the li.totion of Mr..SWAN, pursuant to notice,. time Peiitio'n3 against the Double Return for Saltaste were put otf e from Tuesday, February 2, to Thurs. 'day, February 23, in.order to allow priority to; the Petitiotis en the right, • The Bill for the Prevention• of the Grant. of Places or Offices in Reversion was, on the Motion of Mr. BANKER, read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow.. •. Mr. Jonr4sToNe broeght, rip the Repeat . of the Coinniittee on the question of granting a SuPply to his M:Jesty the Resolution was agreed to,,nemine. contrarlio:nte, and it was ordered' that the House should - reiolve; itself' into a Comtuittee of the whole. I LISBON, Dec: B.—On Monday the 13th instant,. House on' Friday tutxt, to consider of the Supplito ; about five' n the evening, the popelaee unexpeded 'be grafted to 11 . e, Majesty. • • lytolle6ted together in the two principal squares of Ordered - , en the Motion of Mr. WARD, that there 1 the city, so that for seine moments a ,serious be laid .before the House en Estimate of the ordinary ' molt was 'apprehended . . in an instant-French troops tixpencciof the Navy, for the Service of the Year • and Portoguese cavalry and infantry were, sent to 1808. Altee of the Expence of Fialf , pay qificers , restore peace a.nd order. The remaining- troops and Marines who had been .employed during last which were dispersed in the city, found themselves War— iAlso of .The.Charges,that would he necessary e necessitated' to fire.. They , remained' forty-eight for buildin,, re-building, and repairing. Ships of ' hours under arena, as The mob incessantly. endea , War, o‘',er abote what would be necessary foe `4 voured to renew the disturbance. At ,last, after the Wear :midi Tear of his Majesty's Navy. A4O thirty:eight of the ringleaders had been taken into the uru.ii Annual 4%6=110 for Geerdeend.Gavii- custody, the military gained a victory.. The General sinus y Ordeance Seiviceeie e erred.and not provided has . adopted the sever at measures to prevent . or • for.hg Parliament probable Expellee ut 'irapsikort punish 41 farther viohttioos.of the peace. • Serviee i• litre of Transports, ..Navy.Debt oirkle- ROME, Due. 18,—A busy activity still prevails in ney tttcos,aty for Service of Prisoners of War in the'Office of our Secretary ofState, and it is said health, and of. sick Prisoners of War, for the Year' that the Papal Dominions are about to undergo a very' 1806.. t great change..... An Address was then ordered to his Majesty, MANTUA, Dec. 25.—At the time of tne Empe ' that he would be graciou s ly pleaSed to give direct ton; passing through, the SenatOr LUCIRN &lONA lions that the. proper Oefieer t edo lay the same before 'PARTE had a personal Conference with his illustrious that .House. The Address. was ordered to `.be. brother, and then returned .to Rome. is preSen PARISte4 by such of the Members as a re o f his , JAN, 9, 11 Huai Highness Prince Wre i Majesty's Privy Council. LIAM of Prussia, brother of his Prussian Majesty, is FROM THE DUTCH PAPERS. IL I ,rUI Silll..a. az •• , s —u his Majesty. OPEN (HUNGARY), DEC, 30.—Tile following are the Articles resolved by the Diet, which has just closekand which have been confirmed by the Ent peror " I. The States offer his Majesty 12,000 tiecruits. soon is these are delivered, the recruiting is to .tiroceett - as before. ~,;" u. A subsidy in money is offered the Emperor. Both Nobles and Commoners are to'graat a 6th of their revenue from their real estates, and a 100th of their personal. property. " 3.. The Town and Harbour of Fiume are to be iticorporited`with the Kingdom of Hungary. " 4. Permission. is granted to export certain goods from the other Austrian provinces into Hungary. _ " s.,The exportation of grain from Hungary shalt not, without especial cause, be prohibited; COPENHAGEN,r, JAN. 2.—The Russian. Captain- Lieutenant Dour, who acquired so much fame at Tenedos, arrived here within a few days as Courier, bringin, as we are assured, a Declaration frotn Rus sia • against Sweden ; in which it is required of Sweden, that she shall, before the 16th inst. join in the league against England ; with the notification, that, on her refusal, 6u,000 meta are ready to march into Finland. MAILS. Du&-3 Gottenburgli, I Malt; t Dublin, 2 Waterford. PRICE OF STOCKS THIS DAY Ar rwsLvt O'CLOCK. Gonsol3 6.3 f . . T H E .S U N. SOLINI QUIS DICIRE E AY.SUId AUDIAT L 0 N D 0 IV, THURSDAY, JANUARY 28, 1808. , .f Tth American Ship Lyon has arrived at Falmouth. ItipttriSt. Andert). The Captain states, that befOrf it was reported that an Embargo, had been 'Udifkirt'all Neutral Vessels in the Ports of France" at?dca — similar measure was daily expeed to take The French Lugger Marsouin, of 14 guns, beeneaptured, by the Iris Frigate, and brueght thatifr.7 'Plymouth. The • of the Lugger reports t%io French Frigates, of 40 guns each, had escapei Om St. Maloes, and were gone upon a Secret Ev We have at length received full confirmation ofrepOrts which reached •us some time ago, tl ff disturbances of a serious nature having broken outer Lisbon. A Vessel arrived in the River yesterday; she left Lisbon on the 7W inst. and the Captlio states, that about the middle of December there was an insurre&ion in that Capital, which Wall quelled with difficulty and after considerable blood' shed. But the fait Is cullfittlled t yuiia an acobo by the Dutch Papers to the 16th, which arrived yes' terday, which contain an account of the in su r rco• tiOn. Very few of the particulars, however, arc given, and the statement appears to be drawn purm posely in the most vague and general manner.-' kgrpt number of Portuguese have endeavoured to escape from Lisbon, and get on board the British squadron, to prevent which the French have pla cei a number of boats in the Tagus, to prevent an CS' cape by the way ofc . that River, and troops have alp been stationed at different parts of the coast. A considerable ,diversity of opinion appears both' in the American • Papers, and in the Private Lettere from America, which we have .seerr; with rospett.o' the objea'cilthe Arnetlean Government in laying an Einbargompotvtheirown Vessels, 'lt is stated in the Papers supposed to speak the 2sentiluents of the American GovernMent, that this measure WO 00C adOpICCD•With any hostile intention either to Great B.ritaiti;or to .France, but merely fbr precaution! la - consequence of the restridions which have been ill! ptiitd - uponthe::tommerce of Neutrals by the 130' gereni Poweri. In some of - the Papers the EmbargOil. considered as 'direatd'particularly against Engiaot and assigned for this supposition is, thq itt*as proposed'and supported by those who 121114 upon all . occaiit i ;ni-manifested a decided partiality tO, Fratice;alitOpiidsed b' Itibse who have COnsiantir endeavoured to lessen the influence which Franco' - has obviously acquired In the CoUncils of America. On the other hand; it is asserted with equal dthce that this measure Originated in the hostile and unreasonable demands of France, and indict detettni!" nation Which itiONAPAliiit is said to have expressed , that he would not allow of any . Neutracs,' IVOich of • theie causes produced the measure, - or whether the? alt had a . sitare in it, it IS IMPossible, with the infc r. • • . • • . • i 1 tn cieation . rore us, to netermine : but we think t - C lear that 'it 'will be more .prejncliciat 'to Prance and. to America than it will be to Great' Britain 'lt will totally prevent France from obtaining any Colonia l I produce, and the French Colonies will be etreetu all Y cut pff from the gale of their produalions; arid' th 'source of their supplies.' As to the absurd a ssev tion in the Moniker, that France possesses suftieiellt sugar and . cotisee for three years consurnption t re" s Rulres tie3ns‘,ver—or if it did, a very Aiffi k eient is to be found in the very Pap e r which Contains t 7 th assertion,' for th e mos t earnes t hop e s are exPress', at ilie American - Vessels will still find their voi