The Sun. — London, England, 1810-05-26 00:00:00

Cni - I'o ll ' .are 119 0 ' s ' 11 ,cil ers iSy COO - ce' con- Xed e l op t e a 3 po''''j r .„ v er,. .001)c!' .d; re aW s „, ,e irellll • no- N.horc“: r', 4 g 1 • of 11 0 SS), 00 1 M' ;, - 3;.), r‘,71,e1, I there. lot d e/ A wau st:oo3' cl` 2/ t . Lildt; n ;* ta gl y O a ' extr a " A n A , 410 110 ‘; .cgtll°' 1,.;!: ra ",) rse. and Dold c (0 brar- ' con' both koe'i Ote s.. Id be . iOU Se ) } did State , s olar' nq ed oug ht - n u Cl► • lie, rue° " opraA of li i,. jr )wcii wen t / Ho"' more. . : 1111113 r stem : , ao , rl't c .nrrob.oration of these statements, he begged the Aorrs e to recollea the correspondence between his l ie 4ight Honourable Friend and the Irish Govern- Onothe same subjeEt, he held in bis hand a ri' ,. ...rnorandurriof . Lord Cornwillis's, which he then 1. '24. He trusted the House would perceive that lie did not go from his duty in the explanation of t aas: :Vvrhazever the discussion might be hereafter, 1'( hoped there Would not be introduced a spirit of ciitnony. He would vote now precisely as be had duiie before on the same question, but it would*be chiefly on the grounds that he did not feel, from the eireumStauces of the country, this to be a Proper. tithefor ti ie Catholics to, introduce their `Dims, al!hough he would, freely adtmt them, pro :' 41, 1 (he . ) , were to make concessions consistent w'rh the faith and purity of their Church. If he was , (,) Lave.advised,them, he would not have persUaded t herntObrini their question forward at any period s ince the Union -took place. Nothing he recorn fleucled more than the temperate manner in which 't had 'b l eep brought forward by the . Right Honour 131e Gentleman. -.However, he was of opinion, that Le Catholic discussion had rather diminished than i ncreased the number of its'friends;_ the cause had suffered.- Could any:Cornmittee be more awkward- IY situated than that which is called on for a discus sion on a question without 'any framed Plan ; tie could not conceive 'aryl hing so, nugatory and so ails- Olietous: With resped to the interest' itself, no thing could throw it at so immeasurable a - distance. tie had- the impression that their claims might be complied with, consistent- with Protestant safety, if tonne&ed with the 'necessary safeguard.. Since the union, he had observed in the Protestants a relttc knee to the measure : he was satisfied the Roman C] atholicS Might expe& every thing iroafthe libera -I.itY of the Protestant mind. Bigotry would exist - in nvall religion, yet he was confident. the, Plotestants xt - er e a most liberal and a most enlightened .. body, znd would grant the claim§ of theil,Catholic cOuntry liten, if fairly eounded. - He felt it his duty'to give the same vote. , - , - .• Sir J. C. HIPPESLEY made a few observations in explanation.l: Mr. Lams did not know if this was the best time kr answering the Catholic claims, he believed it .it Vas delayed any fonger it would be the destruction °,_f the country. He asked a Learned Judge and the ' University of Oxford, is It fitting • to come for ward and talc of defences-and dangerS- without explaining t he groun6. The question is, whether there, is !lot danger in the existence of 'the reliaion, or wile- Its restn6tions - shall be removed ? He begged the 51•Juse to sympathise with Ireland, to put themselves 1 1 4 the place ,of Irishmen, and recollect that a Clergy t ieretiealin the eyes.-of the, people, had been -put in possession, in this the country acquiesced; who then c 24 call them a .stitf-necked generation ? Consider 1.4 e y sacrificed every .thing v!ear to a. high iouled and high spirited people, and ought- not we to , make L orne sacrifice in return ?..-He then adverted to the kesent state 'of th-2Coatinent, which 'moved with 1 1 the-regularity of a machine, under the impulse. 6 ,1 mmi, a visitation of Pros idence on the earth. 4.1 e did, not speak for popularity's sake but for his tountry, for his family, and for his existence the Whole ground of his - opposition (0* Ministers was, that they seemed to have pledged themselves not to take measures for the conciliation of the Irish Ca tholics. Si; W. SCOTT made some explanation, but in a tone inaudible from u - om the Gallery. General.MAiTnew observed, that this was not only the Catholic but the Protestant cause; it etn. ,braced not only the interest of Ireland, but of Eng land, and"the world- at large. He then made ex- ' trails from Lord Mountjoy's narrative of Ireland in. the time of .Queen Elrzatieth,' exhibiting a varety of enormities; the practices, he said, of 1798 were equally barbarous ; in Dublin he was an eye-witness to matty an industtious man, taken from the bosom . of his family, and, without trial, hurt ied to the Royal Exchange, to the Castle-yard, and to Beres ford's Riding-house, here he was tied up, - and liogged till he confessed crimes of which he was not guilty. He has seen lying in the ditches of the country fathers and - . suns butchered, ••wives And daughters defiled and polluted by English .fencibles and Gerinan mercenaiies. Mr. Pitt; however, Ikaw the system of coercion had faded, and recom tUended,Catholic Emancipation. The HOnourable General recommended to the House to accede to tl;e proposition for • going into a- Commit tee as - the only means of saving-Ireland. If it was llot acceded to; he foretold that this country would have to lament the refusal; for, in the event of the leubjngation of Spain .by the. Emperor of Frarice, the torts of that country would be in possession . of that rower, and the passage from thence to Ireland be mg so short, the conquest, in case of invasion, must tallow. Having made some observations upon the ' general condutit of the GoverLnent with -regard ,to irelao, and instanced the authorities. of Mr:Pitt, of Mr. Fox, and of r•dr. Burke, for the . necessity of Catholic Emancipation, he coucluded with support th,e motion. Tordl;iicotiot JOSCSLYN was aware of the diffl . - Tway of forming Icon eet opinion on the subject ; 1)ut; at the same blot,, he was obliged to di'ffer-wits Ihe Right Hon. Mover. He thought that concilra rtaS necessary ; but there was no bar provided itt the preSent state of things to secure the Catholics against the power of France, and tiie'efore conees plat,lan on their plat was' desirai..sie. the - 14;111g '9 41 0 the veto, or power of appointing sucle.Bisimps • to him might 'seem' proper, there. was, in his Odinion, an insurmountable obstacle to complying w ith their demands. Supposing .the measure ss as (l upted, still - he thought no material benefit *could , nroJneed by it. The disease would remain--a 9lsea'se Welt could•not be eradicated until. the men Of prop er ty in Ireland felt the ?Wale sotum, and set an example to the people of - that country by:living °u• their estates. Would to God, be observed;, that some means could be devised to ,compel absentees to return .; to forbid that ruinous anti destructive emi gration which was the sole cause of all the reaL &;rl,4vances ut which Ireland complained. Ivir. SHAW :vuiSll'eci to alloW the Catholics .the enjoyment of all their rights: Mutual con r-'iotts were tie. essary ; the Catholics 'were slow conceding. be was therefore against going into , !ht•s-, innitttee. Oet.r, try RYDER, thotigh 'fie was not dts ulfer is:any obset., a ions could nut let the 6 .1 pivss over wt,hotit s,..tlin,; the ground of which he Lad to the pro2uitionot the li;~;itt ~~~ Honourable Gentleman. It would be tiphecessary for him to dwell much at length on the arguments adduced by the Right. Hon. Gentleman when he br‘ought his motion - forward. The most zealous advocates of the Catholics' cause had f(irmerly stat ed,_ that concessions would be made ~which .after wards, as it turned out, the Catholics Were nut dis posed to make. That was the slim - ground on which the motion had, in a former SeSsion, been resisted,and that was the ground upon which he should now vote against it. - The House would see the eNtraor 7 Binary situation in whic h they were placed: in con sequence of what the Rt h t Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Ponsonby) two years since had stated on the sub jeet. That Right Hon. Gentleman had stated, that he was authorized to declare, on the part of the Catholics, that they were ready to give his Ma jesty a negatiVe in the nomination of Bishops, pro tided their claims were admitted, and they were allowed equal participation with their Protestant brethren. When the Right Hon. Gentleman was 'questioned as to the source from whence .he de rived his authority, he replied, from Dr. .Milner, the accredited agent . of the Catholics in England. It was ' on that concession that Parliament was disposed to attend to the petitions; but what followed 'that declaration ? Ina few an'mths after wards; a meeting of the Roman Catholic Bi shops was held, at •which they came to a resolu, doll; directly and positively - stating, that they never should concede to the Crown the yower of nominating their Bishops. Dr. Milner had subse quently published several pamphlets, denying that he had ever warranted 'such a proposal to be made. This was not all, for after the debates on this subject, what was the information which the. Public had subse quently received ? Lord Grenville had stated, that he had received the most flattering acknowlectg-. rrient - Sfrom the body of Catholics for the exertions j)e had made in their behalf, and he stated, that he she .would-,prove our strength, and:security. All tho was now asliA that. the House should go i:An Corptifittee. There were no grent, concess this ; let only the-Comw 13 ittee be gone info. • ~,;in only by giving to the Petitioners small concessions. WWI small conces-:ions they would at first "e satis fied.; and 'when-Gentlemen saw that they asked , no more than was reasOnable, then let them pr , e ed to give them the full.extent of their'demand. What was the state of Europe•ai this moment , Was it not reduced under toe dominion . of one man, the greatest, proba!)ly, whom the woriCi had ever . pro duced ;—one who was sent, as it were by Provi*- - derice, to, accomplish things which , could hardly have been supposed pra6ticable. He ‘k as a man not only of great talents, but probably of greater talents than any other , - nan of recent times or of antiquity, who had ever existed. His talents were equally gigantic with his ambition ; and the people whom he commanded were equally endowed with talent, and also with ambition, as himself. ,It was in the, power.of 'Britain not only to do - away any antipathy which their conda& towards the Irish' might have created, but even to convert it into the most in— violable friend. The Irish. were willing. to prove themselVes the rallying point of the Empire against the French Governor, who wished to makehim self the uncontrouled Sovereign of -the world. Was it then a sufficient 'answer to - say, when thuS Called on, that because you (the Cat holicsy would not advance some steps,. which, in, fact, wet, of no import, they (the -British' Pailiaineot). would do nothing ? In his opinion it became the bounden duty of the People and Parliament of this country to say to their Irish Brethren, we are ready ro make -the first advance. The nature of the People of Ire land was to feel insult 'in' the most .acute degree ; and the only way to govern their] was by' affettion —force never would gov6rn them ; England had ,tried that mode for centuries, and vas Ireland more Mad t. 1 .4; same authority for the proposition.. Now it appeared very singular, the proposal having been made in this House and elsewhere, that the same secure to her now than at any- former period ? ,The Union, above all things, was ualoilate,d to awaken this feeling. If the people of Ireland felt, even Dr, Milner should, in a publiCatiOn e declare, " That after a measure of this kind, that -they were to he he..would lose the last drop of his blood before he kept in a state of subserviency and degradation, • wouldeconsent to a proposition not sanctioned by must they: not naturally leek . . fore redress ? Would the general body' of • the Catholics." The Houses they not even be driven to the most desperate mea and the Public had not yet bee informed 'how the sures to accomplish it They would naturally be delusion vkas pradised. The Right Honourable led to think the Union the very worst measure that Get - Alen - ran had not condescended to explain, but had ever been adoped ; and the ambition of. the had passed it over altogether. He was happy• to Ruler of France would not leave them long without have the opportunity of - making these observations knowing where to apply for assistance. It might in the presence of the Right. Honourable Gen- not be the duty of a Member of Parliament to state tleielan, because he trusted the explanation would what was the opinion of the, Sovereign on any par now come. He '!'illno' wish to impute to the Right -ticular . subjed, but, unquestionably, it became the Hon. Geis eau any motive which he would not 1 duty of a Minister, when The point at issue - was. one disavow, but was ready to believe, that he might most conducive to the suppoit of the 'Throne, to t. have been deceived. At the sauce time it wan warn theSovereigte of the teelings' and , sentiments streteee that seen proposition having been made of his People, and even to enforce on the 'Royal ear , (which must have originated in misunderstanding) the necessity of compliance, though that measure toe misunderstanding should not, between enlight- should not he agreeable.- It might not- be in the erred teen, have been explained. His Majesty's power ,of a Mihister to effect a change in the senti- • Governmettt were exposed, to all thd - attacks of the rnents of the Sovereign, but still he had it in his friends of the Catholic cause, were charged with power Out to remain longer in the ptiblic service.- intolerance and bigotry for not complying. with Amerce was lost to this country not -by the advice; their demand., when, in point of fact, they knew .of Ministers, but-by a vote of that House ; and if there Was a decided and insurmountable objection ,Parliament was not on its guard, so would 'it be to giving the veto. It was a duty which he owed .to with Ireland. It was the duty of the servants e r• himself to get up and explain. As to the question the Crown to proceed_to the discharge of their a‘o. at present under discussion, he would quote from a ; caiions-free from any bond or obligation whatever. publication of Lord Grenville's just before the ; His Majesty, however, had been advised to as k ire of Parliament, which - was in the hands of every ftom i his present 'Ministers, a pledge, 'that they man, and contained opinions . concurrent with his should never intrude on him any adViCe as to the own. It would be recollected that this publication propriety of acceding to the wishes of his Catholic came from amen of distinguished rank, of great li- .subjects eif such counsels were to be .persevered, in, terary attainment, and of unquellionable ability; it be could not pretend to sap---he dreaded to content-, was circulated too at a peculiar time, _when an idea- plate—where the matter might end. had gone forth among that, .Noble Lord's friends,, The CHANCELLOR of . the EXCHEQUER observed, that he was to be placed at the head of the Govern- that however eloquent and able the speech of , the went. It therefore must be considered as the po- Hon. Gentleman might be, he - certainly did not litical creed of the great Leader of • the Right Hon. think he would receive the praises ef ,those„enco-. Gentleman's party. • The Right Honourable Se- I mia,ts WhO applatided, and justly -applauded, the cretary then read an extract iron% the pamphlet, Hon. Mover of the present question, for the 'calm in which the author states that the question was not 1 ness and endeavour at recenciliation with which he. a single nor unconpe‘, , ted one ; much was to be done had introduced it to the consideration of the House, for the.establishment of the. mutual rights of both Whatever impression, however, the violence of the religions et point of concession, that having pointed Hon. Gentleman had made on hiS mind and on out the necessity of &needing the veto, but that the mind of others,, he would most unaffectedly state: beieg.deuied, he saw much of unexampled embar- (and the Hon. Gentleman might give Mile credit rassment and difficulty in the question, connected as or not for that statement as he chose.) that be de-' it was with England, his deliberate cipinion was, ' derived great satisfaction froin that part of the Hon. . that great -and permanent obstacles would arise to Gentleman's speech in which he cleared himself thp accomplishment of the object. " That was the from an imputation which before ceitainly seemed I. opinion of Lout Gren' ilk, and, said the Right Hon. to require a very full. explanation. He had great Gentleman, is my opinion, -under, these circum- satisfaction at finding that 'the Honourable Gentle stances, I cannot vote for the-motion of the Right i man-and his Noble FrtOini—tvvo individuals, - whose Hon. Gentleman." -On these grounds -not wishing characters unquestionably stood very high in the to sport with the feelings of the Catholics, he could .public regard ; had 'hot been convicted of grossly. and not -consent _to raise hopes and expectations which foully imposing upon the House and the.Ptiblic, by. could never be realized.. - i holding our tallacioos motives to - endeavour to in-: Lord_ Deits'euv was instructed on the -part of a I duce Parliament to adopt - a course of conduct, large portion of the Protestant Freeholders of the which, under other cireuiostarices,`there could not extensive and . populous county which he represented have been the slightest doubt of their. rejecting,- If to state, that they wished their Catholic fellow e sub, he had any fault to had with the conduct of the *ts,to share in common with them the same rights, Hon. Gentleman on this subject,. it would be privileges, and immunities. I forbearing immediately to .communicate the etrer .... Mr. pousoNaY asserted that the friends of the into which he, had been led. It was due to the 1-16 use Irish Catholics in Parliament had authority frotn , that they ought-not to have been lett so long in a their Delegate in this Country to offer their acces- mistake, and that-the individual who was the origi sion to the- Veto. This be shewed by referring to a nal instrument of the deception ought to have been card upon which; Dr. Milner, in presence of Lord i represented to . them in his proper colours. It was Fingal, marked the terms of the Veto, and still more . somewhat singular .that this individual, in his letter front a letter written by the Doctor_ the day after to Lord .Stourton,. forming. an' appendix :to Mr. that interview, in which letter the Dodor stated Keogh's pamphlet, had anticipated. the manner in ,his desire to communicate mote di4tinctly the pro- 1 which he should .be attacked in - .Parliament. In position of. the C,itholic Prelates. - In ,order that ; the postcript.to that letter, Dr. Milner said, " The there should be no misunderstanding, this . proposi- presenting of the Petition. in Parliament, mey pos lion was, that the CatholiC Prelates were willing to sibly induce one Member to taunt another with . giVe a direa negatite power to his Majesty's Go- questions concerning his authority for making a cer vernmeni —open the appointment of the prelacy in fain offer; and, it is possible that the latter may future. The withluilding of this, however, be now 1 again make use of my name, and of a hasty short content', d, was only held out to them as a taunte-;- ,note which I- sent to him, not as. a proposal (for Would the Right Honourable Gentleman opposite I never had an idea of such a thing till I beard it in (Mr. Ryder), pretend to say, that if this were ,con- i the House) but barely as,a supplement to a short ceded he would support the Catholic cause He conversation which .1 had just been honoured with begged to, ask, what pretence the, - Right Honourable ,by that Gentleman, and which note I scribbled at a G e ntleman had, to demand concessions from the bookseller's shop as I was returning home. In this Catholics and yet to give them . none ? Was every supposition, it will be incumbent on me, after hay concession to be detneeded from them, and none to ing been burnt in effigy mere or leas, in his de be made - in return ? Veto or no- Veto was not the fence, .in Ireland, and after standing the bating of question, but whether, in such circumstances, the j of the Ministerial Writers in the Horning Post, concessions should not be mutual ? 'Were the Irish and after having pleaded his cause as far as - ever to understand that the terms of reconciliation belt; truth would permit me to . go in the Morning our. to them were of no meaning ) That they were Chronicle—it will be incumbent on . Me, I say, to words proceeding from the lips, but not meant to bring toy documents and other poufs, .fairly and -convey the meaning of . the heart ? He decldred his . fully forward, in order, as I haveso - of ten been call conviction, that there was' no danger to be appre- eel upon to do, te convince the public thati never headed hem IrelAnd but that, if properly treated', gave authority for bringing for Ward Op proposal, whick ppreilensionpnd earnest zeal. • Seri:4 . us, was brought forward, • , finti.4l any prnPb.: sal whatsoever. Tht•se orootsc.'al,no , much aqainq my inclination, to furnAl ootter of triumph !o his ato4 .our common encititt-s. - The Mo'rning Chronicle, the tatter end -oil t•it certainly was:a letter from lir. he acknowledged thlt the C entlemen op. posit.': were warra - ited-in•the statemeni. o . hich they bad made of tht : ! disposition. , ''the Catholics, ivowed. his share Of that warrantry, defended him'selt s trotil the charge ,of inconsistency. A that period; Dr. Milner was Ungnestionably the: advoCate the corre.`iness of, the Hcrt: 3n. Now' the case ; stood clear to th,e L. ,s 'glad it did, so. It would a a . lesson however. It would natt;tally inspire a j , ealoo :::: of sin i! e , -immu nications, and a Suspicion of 'the accur.. y of the j , :agmmt of the Hon. Gentlemen_ op; site, Wheti they professed to anticipate. the feelings of the Ca 'tholics 'of Ireland. ' The Hon. gentleman had even said, that he had retk=i4l a h•tter, horn one of thd Catholic Bishop: ing his ex.,2e6,tion, that a meeting of the ' ll.. , rnan Catholic 'Prelates would -crinctir in the senCtnenti which! had been asserted last Session bt:ing the general sentiments of the Irish Catholics. Mr...P.oNsoNuy, ;n explanatidn, observed, that his state:rm-n't was merely that he Lad rec:ived a let ter troni' a Cativ,lic Bishop, expres , ,bg his opinion, that his (Mr. Pol)sonby's) . speech deserved the .thanks of allireland, and particulaily of the Ctlio lic Prelates... The enAteceLtort of the EiCIUQUER• resumed: This was evident, that there seemed the great est,diffi.• culty in ascenaining with what the Catholics would • really be satistied. What were the views of the Hon. Gentleman ? Did they coincide with those of the: Hon. Ntiver, or w,:,rethey peculiarly his own He understood the Hon. Mover tor declare, that the CatholieS would from him expect in vain the recom mendation of concession to them unless that eon.; - cession wet c accompanied by a renunciation on their part of foreign inflOnce; ,Now after all the attention that he could Fay, to the Han.Gentlernae who had just spoken,'-he was unable to coiled whether he agreed in that, sentiment, ,or whether he differed from- it, and thought that without condition ,or stipulail'on every thing ought to _be conceded to the Catholicsl on the trust of what they might afterwards be posed to do. It was material to, know this. A great variety of opinions .had been . uttered during the . ' bate. No one had been so,exphcit in the declara tion of his sentiments as the Hon. Mover ; but in that declaration, he (the Ckancellor of the Excite-. quer),had a right to take protc&ion against the re peated charge of intolerance,, since, by the opinion . of the Hon. -Mover, he was justified on/the occa sions-in .which this-intolerant spirit . was ascribed to . him in resisting concessions, which according to that opinion ought not to have been made withoin a - correspondent provision. . 7 The Honourable Mover argued that no concessions . ' ought to be yielded, , to the Catholics, 'without securing, some concession. on their part equivalent or analogous to the conces sion of the veto. What this analogrlus concession was—what - arrangement- was to be subst tutted; :the Hon. M6‘;er had not stated, and the Hon. Gentle.: man who had last spoken had said, that for many reasons it should . not be extorted from him (A cry of Hear I hear ! hi which Sir J. Aewport's voice u,!as peculiarly disqinguishable.) The Hon. Baronet cheered this declaration of his Hon. Friend. He, wito-lad himself said, that illhe House gave . the Catholics ,what he called their rights; it ought to tell - them- the grounds on which those rights were. given, he pow Joined with his Honourable Friend in his delaratiou, that the proposed arrangement should not be explained, and the Honourable Ba ronet, ,he 'presumed, called this consisteney,! What _ were the House, to do if they Went into a Com mitteeon, the Petition ? The Honourable Gentletnan , opposite would not tell them; lest some ill-disposed persons should infuse it into' the minds of the Irish, whatever the arrangement might be, that it was im possible the Catholics could accede to it. But in the. Committee it seemed that arrangement must 'be stated., If not;,it would certainly be absurd to think . of going into a Committee; Unless the concession to the .Catholics,. and the grounds on 'which that con-`• cession was to -be made, were to be the subjects of discussion in the Committee, it would assuredly be to no purpose to go into a Committee at all. As well/as - the, Hon. Mover of the present question, a• Noble Lord in the other House of 'Parliament had declared it to beindispensable that some distinafpro viSion.should accompany any concession to be made to the Catholics. Whatever expectations might be , en:ertained by others, certainly he (the Chancellor I, of the .Exchequer), and - those. who thought with him, never were of opinion that any such provision would be - agreed to by the Catholics. Even- r had the veto been conceded by them ; or any other equiva lent .arrangement, how could it hive .been consi dered as a valid agreement ? In what way could a geweal concurrence of the Cathohcs have ! been enforced.?,, If some qt that body had resisted on the ground of religious scrnpleS, what could have been done ? Having - once raised a general -ekpec. tation it would have been impossible to dilappoim it. The Pope, might have refused his 'sanction—the Ca:- tholics might have changed their opinion —and in either case it would have been impracticahle to punish .or to interfere wiih the stron g hand of - power, without . incuiring , the just 'charge pf the gieatest intolerance: Thus it a peered that -it was mighty- Well for-Gentlemen to argue aboOt the veto, or about this or that arrangement, but, who were to be the final judges ?_ The Catholics. If -they Said that they could not concur in the arrangement, it would be just as intolerant to attempt to com pel them ,as it would be to require them to take the oath of supremacy. Besides that concurrence might be of no avail without the concordance of the, Pope. His Holiness was not at present in a situation ot,in 7 dependent action. -How could his consent be oh:- tained Nay, if it were to be obtained-r-if Bunna .parte would induce the Pope•to give it, when he was released from the subjpgation under .which he, at• present lived, might •he not consider himself, as -not bound by a sanction which he had given under the influence of his confinement ? How wild and chimerical to suppose that any arrangement. could be produdive of a satisfadory issue with the Catho -1 lies of Ireland.! But he, by no means,' foundedlits • objeaion to the allowance of the Catholic claiMs, simply . on: the refusal of the Catholics' to sire 'Op 't he 'v4o any thing else in its stead. Nor did hiS i:'-~' ~ cilic liter tion ;toe, pec- `~ o IYc. , r eap. Fire l otecg }ace ion ettp,. d 1 14 7 have .ance ,ear fined ) t:10- in 115 I ~~.