The Sun. — London, England, 1838-06-26 00:00:00

THE GORGON STEAM-FRIGATE. This vessel, which is the largest and most powerful steamship be tonging to the British service, is just completed. On Thursday week the engines, which have been made, completettand fixed on board the yes_ *el, in little more than eight months, were set to work for the first time, and acted in the most efficient and satisfactory manner. The tonnage of the Gorgon, according to the old mode of computa tion, is 1,150 tons ; the length of deck i s 15 3 feet; breadth between the paddle-wheels, 37 feet 6 inches ; full breadth of deck; 45 feet. This splendid vessel was built in the Dock-yard at Pembroke, from the design of Sir William Symonds, the Surveyor-General of the Navy, and for her excellent properties as a steam-vessel of war, for her strength, symmetry, and durability, is unrivalled by any vessel in the British or any other navy. She combines also in a most eminent degree the necessary qualities of a sailing-vessel with those of a steam-ship, The whole of the timbers, the planking, the beams, and the deck, are formed of East India teak; the sleepers for the engines and the main. beams are_pf very hard, durable African oak; the whale secured in the most complete manner by a profusion of copper bolts and Stout iron knees and riders. The partitions and doors of the cabins are composed of S.:nth Ameil. can cedar, taken from the hull of the Gibraltlr,a Spanish man of-war of 80 guns. The Gerr,on will be fitted with sixteen 33-pountlers (long guns), of which tststrlve will boon thr.gun deck, and four on the upper deck. She willalso be provided with two of those newly-invented tremendous en gines of war, the 10-inch guns, intended to propel hollow shot of 96lbs. weight ; one of these guns will be paced forward, and the other aft, on the upper sleek, on sliding swivel beds, which will range entirely round the. horizon. The bulwarks a:I round are so constructed that they san be thrown down in a moment to admit the guns being pointed in any direction. The gun-deck of the vessel is fitted up in the most commodious man gier for the accommodation oC,..CNe officers and crew, amounting altoge ther, with the engineer s , in war time, to 190 men. The orlop deck, fore anti aft, is appropriated entirely for the reception of troops with their stores and baggage, and the ample hold will 'receive abundance of water, provisions, and stores for a long voyage. The steam-engines for propelling this magnificent vessel are of 320 horses' power, that is, two engines, each of 1130 horses' power. They were made by Messrs. John Seaward and Co., of the Canal Iron-works, Limehouse, and are of a very novel construction, being remarkable for their compactness, strength, and lightness. They have none of the usual cast-iron framing, sway-beams, side-rods, or cross-heads, but the line of shafts being placed directly over the centre line of the cylinders, the rod of the piston is connected direct with the crank, by means of a connecting rod of moderate length, without the intervention of any other part or piece of machinery. The piston-rod is preserved in its vertical position by a strong parallel motion, of peculiar construction, which serves, at the same time, to work the air-pump, as also the feed and bilge-pumps. The main carriages which carry the line of the shafts are supported by eight bright wrought-iron columns, seven inches in diameter, which yest, immediately upon the tops of the cylinders, so that the whole strain and force of the engine is confined entirely 'between the cylinders and the main car. riages, and no strain or force of the machinery is thrown upon any part of the vessel. Each engine is supported upon a very strong foundation-plate, which, with the condenser, and the lower part of the hot well, is cast all in one piece, and weighs about ten tons. The spot occupied by these engines is remarkably small, being little More than half what is required for engines of the same power made upor, the ordinary plan with sway beams. There are four copper boilers for supplying steam to the engines. They are quite detached from each other, and can be used separately or in conjunction, as may be required. This is an important convenience, as it admits of repairs being made to one or two boilers while the others are in use. The boilers stand in pairs, side by side, and back to back, so that two of the boilers stand with their fronts towards the engines and the bow of the ship, and the other two with their fronts towards the stern of the vessel. There are twelve fireplaces, and two stoker-holes, one in front of the boilers and one abaft. The two stoker-holes eommuni. cate by passages going all round and over the boilers, by means of which a free circulation of air is kept up throughout the engine.room. On each side of the engines and boilers are ranged the coal-boxes, Which reach on each side of the vessel from the after bulkhead to the fore bulkhead. The boxes average about eight feet wide on each side, and aff , rd ample stowage for 400 tons of coals, being adequate to sixteen days' consumption of the engines; so that the engines and boilers stand between two solid beds of coal eight feet thick. No shot could pass through such a thickness of coal so as to do any material damage to the machinery. Moreover, the most vulnerable parts of the engines, as well as the boilers, are below the water line, and quite out of the reach of shot, The diameter of the cylinder is Length of stroke Diameter of paddie.wheel Length of engine.romn, from the fore bulkhead to the after bulkhead ...... .... 62 feet. His Grace the Archbishop of York entertained the Earl and Countess de Grey, Lady Radstock, Sir John and Lady John. stone, Mr. Grosvenor, Sir James and Lady Parke, and a select party, at dinner on Saturday evening, in Grosvenor-square. The Dowager Countess of Cork and Ossory had a dinner party on Saturday evening, at her mansion in Burlington-street. The Earl and Countess of Wil. ton's grand dinner party consisted of the Duke of Beaufort, Marquis and Marchioness of Londonderry, Count Pozzo di Borgo, Count and Countess Zichi, Count and Countess Zaradooky, Colonel and Lady Alice Peel, Countess of Chesterfield, Hon. Colonel Anson, Hon. Miss Forester, Mrs. Montagu, lion. Cecil Forester, Mr. E. Stanley, Sir Robert Gordon, Lady Willoughby D'Eresby. Lord Cantilupe, &c. Mr. and Mrs. Beilby Thompson had a large party to dinner, on Saturday evening, In Berkeley-square. Sir Robert and Lady Peel gave a sumptuous en. tertainment, on Saturday even, at their residence, in Whitehall-gar dens, to their Royal Highnesses the Duke and Duchess of. Cambridge, Duchess of Gloucester, and Prince George of Cambridge ; Earl and Countess of Wilton, Duke of Wellington, Earl and Countess of Jersey, and a distinguished party, met their Royal Highnesses at dinner. The Russian Ambassador gave a grand entertainment on Saturday evtning at Ashburnham-house ; the invitations were to the whole of the Foreign Ambassadors Extraordinary, and the Members of the Ministry were also invited to meet their Excellencies. Among the circle were his Excellency Marshal Soult, his Highness Prince Putbus, his Excel lency Count de Lowenheim (Ambassador Extraordinary from Sweden), his Excellency the Marquis de Brignole, his Excellency Count Stroga_ noff, his Excellency Prince Schwarzenberg, the Austrian Ambassador ;. M. de Kipeleff (Russian Charge d'Affaires), Baron Bulow, Prince Es terhazy, Count cr Agile, Count Sebastiani, Viscount Melbourne, Lord John Russell, Earl of Mulgrave, Earl of Minto, Lord Holland, Marquis of Anglesey, Duke of Sutherland, Marquis of Lansdowne, Earl of Al. bemarle, Duke of Argyle, &c. Covers were laid for 2.8. His Excellency Marshal Soult, in consequence of not being presented to her Majesty until Friday, did not receive visiters until Saturday, when his Excellency received upwards of 150 visits from I! e elite of the nobility, among whom were his Excellency Prince de Ligne, Ambassador Extraordinary from Belgium; his Excellency the Marquis de Miraflores, Ambassador Extraordinary from Spain; Duke of Argyll, Marquis and Marchioness of Salisbury, Marquis of Down. shire, PrincQAlfred of Gratz, Marquis of Lansdowne, Lord and Lady Waterpark, Earl and Countess of Shrewsbury, Count Charles de Grunne, Sir Robert Peel, Lord Lynedoch, Sir John Hippesley, Marquis of Angle. I •y, Earl and Countess of Clarendon, Sir J. and Lady Fuller, Lord Gros venor, Earl Poulett, Earl of Belfast, Earl and Countess of Norbury, Lady John Somerset, Lord Fitzgerald, Lord A. Paget, Earl of Chart.. ville, Lord and Lady Maryborough, Lord Folkestone, Lord and Lady Stewart de Rothsay, Sir George Murray, Sir C. Lemon; Sir George Sey mour, Baroness de Talbot, Sir W. Gordon, Sir W. W. Wynn, Sir G. and Lady Westphall, Sir A. Maclaine, Lord and Lady Worsley, Hon. Colonel Lowther, Sir J. B. and Lady Johnstone, Lady Vincent, Lady F..rquhar, Lady Brooke, &c. A singular circumstance lately occurred at Caldbeck Church. There were christened, at the same time, three female In fants, whose mothers are sisters, namely, Mrs. Scott, of Caldbeck ; Mrs. Olitmen, of Banncet Hill ; and Mrs. Pollock, of Mosedale; .daughters of • Mr. William Stalker, the highly.respectable tenant of Hesket Hall.— Carlisle Journal. The Baroness Scmpill was presented to the Queen at the last Drawing-rrom, on succeeding to her Peerage. Presented by the Duchess of Somerset. Kes e wick is at present very full of company ; tourists are arriving daily, and amongst them a number of collegians ar. rived a few days ago for the purpose of spending their summer vacation. SAWDUST lt. TOBACCO.—On Thursday an Irish man n insect John Patrick M'Dolan, and his wife, Maria-M'Dolan, were charged before the Magistrates at Worship-street, with having attempted to defraud a publican at Hackney, by selling him sawdust for tobacco. It appeared that they hail offered to sell him a quantity at a cheap rate, alleging that they had found it, and an open end of the package was displayed, to show that it was capital tobacco, with a mysterious hint that it was none the worse for having probably escaped the Custom Hance. Mr. Boniface, however, cautiously opened the other end, and finding the package filled with sawdust, with a layer of tobacco at one c.d, he gave them into custody, The Magistrate committed Paddy M'Do'.an to hard labour for a month, but discharged his wife. GEOLOGICAL.I)tscovErty.—An interesting geo logical specimen has just been discovered, at the depth of 37 feet below Si c surface of the rock, in the new red sandstone of Storton-hill Quarries, four miles from Birkenhead, in Cheshire. It is a series of impressions of footsteps in relief, of an extinct animal, called by Professor Kaup the Cherothrrium—the existence of which, in former ages, has been known only from similar marks having been found. The impressions bear a strong resemblance to the human hand. Mr. Tomkinson, the lessee of the quarry, on being made aware of the value of the slabs on which these marks appear, has, in the most liberal manner, not only given one up, without charge, to the Natural History Society of this town, but will convey it to its destination at his own expense. He purposes also to send another to the London Geological Society. Professor Buck land has given au aecount, illustrated by engravings, in his Bridgewater Trea t' se, vol. I, p. 263, of the impressions of footsteps of the same extinct animal discovered in the quarries of Hessberg, in Saxony. The slab of sandstone is in the British .Museum. —Liverpool Chronicle. WILLIs's Rooms.—Signor L. Martini and Don J. Clebra's Morning Concert took place at these Rooms on Friday last, erinducted by Signors Marra: and Cittadini. The instrumental solo performers were Signor Martini (accordion), Ilerr Ernst (flute), Herr Lidel (violoncello), Madlle C. Bott (grand pianoforte), and Don J. Ciebra (guitar.) The vocal part of the concert was Oust by 'Miss Cooper, Madlles. Koenig and Sardi ; Signors Martini, Mame, Roggere, A. Giubilei, and Eon J. Ciebra. M. Starck sang his Ductlo (soprano and Was) between the parts, and received great applause. Signor Mai tini's fantasia on the accordion was a masterly performance, and he displayed the sweet tones of this instrument with exquisite taste and effect. Don J. Ciebre performed a grand symphonia fi om Semiramide, and a fantasia introducing several popular mel•'dies, on the guitar; both of which were most rapturously applauded ; his execution it quite astonishing. He also sung a Spanish Romance with a great deaf of humour. The °Wier puts of the concert were well received. The roost was full. Those persons only, who hare been at Croydon cr trookgreen fairs, when they were some years ago attended by the neigh bouring gentry and the respectable portion of the inhabitants of this greet metropolis, eau form an adequate notion of the ear' iage and other well-dressed company who yesterday crowded the neighbourhood of West minster Abbey and every avenue leading to it. eVe have been inflame that no less than '2,000 were admitted to its interior, while the whole of the Broad Sanctuary, from the corner opposite Bridge-street to the western door of the venerable plle, was fitted.up with liege hs, as was the space at the cast and south side of the Westminster Hospital. In the front of that building the galleriee are three stevies high, and already present a very handsome appearance. The houses- feces the corners of King-strict to Parliatrients-treet have, alSe, belccnies; which are let•at moderate pi e ce. The whole front line cf Whitehall Chapel, Gwyder Heed,, and file gardeus by its side, are also Me:it up, as well as the end of RichMond-terrace, and from thence to the corner of Bridge-street, in ftlmost eootinuous seats; even the space enclosed between the railiegs which surround the statue at Charims.croes, is occupied in a simi'ar Meitner. . IRISH SPIRIT TRADE.—A deputation, consist ing of si%teen IriilA:presentatives, with Mr. Mrdden, had an inter_ view with Lord Viet aunt Mirpeth in the Lilt Cffce, nn Friday last, relative to the retail spirit trade in Ireland. Mr. O'Connell and seve. Tel other Members intered fully into explanations. Ills Lordship ,j_ mined the importance of the matter, and assurel the deputation, in the most kind and affable taanter, that the subject should receile due con sideration. TRADE IN LEICESTERSHIRE.— The demand continues good at old I rices, but no advances have yet been realised upon manufactured stick—i.n advance of 2d. per dozen has been given to the woe kinen in coarac e collen gloves. There is very little stock left in the market of usicf.l! things, and workmen are generally fully cm. plo;ed.—Leicestersiiire Mercury. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE pic' VOM.II6 ; S, Juxi 23. _ . The SiEnttft took the Chair shortly before Pour o'Clock. Mr. VtiANT, of Grant, appeared at the table to take the oaths and his seat for Inverritt% but in consequence of some informality he could net be sworn. On the motion of Mr. BARNARD the Blackheath Small Debt's Court Bill was read a third time and passed. Mr. G ILL ON presented a petition from Wick in favour of Mr. R. Hill's Phsn of Pest-office Reform. Also petitions from Falkiik and other places, against any further grant to the Church of Scotland. Mr. LO WTIIK It presented a petition from the city of York, agnintt tile annual grant to M a yn oo th C o ll e g e . Al so a petition from the York and North Midland Railway Com pany, against the Bill for the carriage of mails by railways. Mr. HAWK!NS presented a pc:ition from Newport, in Monmouth, in favour of Mr. Rowl•ind 11111's plan of Po't Office reform. Mr. BROWNRIGG presented a petition from Boston, against the Rating of Small Tenements Bill. Mr. PLUM PTRE presented a petition from the Ministers, Churchwardens, and inhabitants of Upper Chelsea, in favour of the Bill before the House for the Suppression of Sunday traoling. The Hon. Member also presented a petition from the inhabitants of Blael:heath, against the continuance of the grant to the College of Masnooth. MEDICAL CHARITIES' BILL. Mr. F. FRENCH presented petitions from Cashel end other places in Ireland in favour of the Medical Charities' Bill. POOR LAW. Sir G. STRICKL AND presented a petition from the Guar dians Gf a Poor-law Union in the West Riding of Yorkshire, praying that the Hou-e would take into consideration the ineffi cient state of the present Bastardy Law. ECCLESIASTICAL LEA:SEHOLD PROPERTY. Sir E. KNATCHBULL presented a petition from the holders of ecclesiastical leasehold property in East Kent, pray ing that in any Legislative measure upon the subject their in terests might be duly protected. COAL DUTIES. Mr. PEA SE presented petitions from the Waterford Steam Navigation Company, praying that Steam Vessels might he exempted from the Municipal Coal Taxes. Mr. DIVETT presented a petition from Exeter p-ay ing for a reduction in the rate of postage. Mr. HUME presented petitions from Dunfermline, Leven (Fifeshire), Aberdeen, and various other places, against the renewal of the Queen's Printers' patent for printing the Bible. CANADA. Mr. L ABOIJC HERE presented a petition from the Bishops and Clergy of Lower Canada relative to the unfor tunate occurrences that had lately taken place in that coun try. The petitioners expressed their gratitude to Lord Gos ford fur the conduct pursued by him when Governor of that province--they expressed their loyalty and adherence to the connexion between the Colonies and the Mother country ; and they prayed that in any measures that might be adopted by the British Parliament, due respect would be paid to the rights and privileges guaranteed to the inhabitants of that province by the treaty of 1791 and the capitulation of Quebec; and that no measure would be entertained for the disunion of the two provinces. Lord ASHLEY presented petitions from the Clergy of Ox ford and Gloucester, against any alienation of Church pro perty. Sir G. SINCLAIR presented a petition against the Royal Burghs of Scotland Bill. Mr. D. W. HARVE Y presented a petition from St. Saviour's Southwark, complaining of the conduct of the Poor-law Com missioners in buying from the parish of Christ-church, in that Borough, a most inconvenient workhouse, notwithstanding the remonstrance of the petitioners. Sir F. POLLOCK presented a petition against the Irish National System of Education. Mr. PACKINGTON presented a petition from a parish in Northumberland, praying for protection to the Protestant Church in Canada. Lord ASH LE Y presented a petition from Leeds in favour 0 . 7 a Ten Hours Factory I3ill. The signature appendedio it cis that of the Hon. Member for Leeds, and he Was ,:de lighted to sec his name attached to such a petition, as he had :o long been opposed to him (Lord Ashley) on tho subject. The petition was signed " Edward Baines."—(ll ar, and laughter.) Mr. BAINES said he had the honour of presiding at the meeting at which the petition-was agreed to, and he signed it as Chairman of that meeting. He certainly did not concur in the sentiments of the petition, but be considered it his duty as Chairman to affix his signature--( Hear, bear)---which duty he had performed, and he was glad to hear with satisfaction to the Noble Lord.—(A laugh.) Mr. Sergeant JACKSON presented a petition from the Shareholders in the Cork Waterworks Company, on the subject of the Irish Municipal Corporation Bill. The pe titioners prayed to be heard by Counsel against the Bill, or that a provision should be introduced investing the Lord Chancellor, with power to appoint Trustees on behalf of the present Shareholders, consisting of the Corporation and 75 other persons. The present Bill went to vest thc entire management in the Town Council. He (Mr. J.) had men tioned the matter to the Noble Lord, who assured him the case should be provided for. Lord ASHLEY gave notice, that on the 10th of July he would call the attention of the House to the state of the laws regulating factories. Mr. HUME gave notice that on the bringing up of the Re port of the Coal Committee, he would move the omission of i proviso which allowed vessels to remain undelivered in the River for fifteen days. Mr. 3IILNE 'postponed his motion for a Committee of Enquiry respecting the Expedition to the Euphrates till the sth of July. Sir R. PEEL presented a petition from the Birmingham and Derby Junction Railway Company against the Bill for the con. veyance of letters by railways. The two clauses to which the petitioners principally objected were the clauses which enabled the Post-office Clerks in general to interfere with the manage ment of the railway, and the clauses which gave the Post- Master- General the power of carrying passengers by railways with making the Companies a fair remuneration. IRISH MUNICIPAL CORPORATION ACT. Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved the Order of the Day for the third reading of this Bill. Lord FRANCIS EGERTON said it was with much regret that he rose to oppose the motion of the Noble Lord. He had been among those who in the earlier stages of this Bill had indulged a war m and eag er h o p e th at t h y on that (the Opposition) side of the House might ultimately be able to give their consent to the measure as proposed by the Govern ment; and no Member had felt that hope more warmly than himself, nor was any Member more reluctant to oppose this measure. 13ut he found himself under the necessity of meeting the motion of the Noble Lord opposite by as direct a negative as the forms or the House permitted.—(" Hear, hear," from the Opposition benches.) He was aware that in adopting that course he was exposing himself to the impu tation, not, perhaps, of any lurking desire to prevent the ad justment of those differences upon this subject which had long divided the parties and distracted the councils of the empire, but of at least some indifference towards that consummation which was so warmly desired by Gentlemen on both sides of the House. But he had been one of those who from the coin mencemeut of these discussions had concurred in the views taken by his Right Hon. Friend the Member for Tam worth. He still concurred in those views, and now that he found himself called upon to assent to the me asure of the Noble Lord in its present shape, he beg ge d to ex plain the reasons why he could not do otherwise than oppose the third reading of the Bill. His Right Honourable Friend ( Sir Robert Peel) had, in consenting to this Bill, lahl it down as his first condition, that there should be a 101. bona fide franchise to be tested by the payment of rates. Except ; by those who advocated Universal Suffrage, the principle, if not the degree, of such qualificati on h a d b een uniformly admitted. It was fur these reasons that his Right Hon. Friend and others on this (the Opposition) side of the House had thought fit to adhere steadily to that condition, which was the first stipula tion of his consent to the evahlishment of a franchise to the amount of 101. Having entertained these opinions, he now found on the table the Bil! of the Noble Lord totally free frem every element and shadow of concession. —(Hear, from the Opposition.) He, therefore, felt himself compelled to adopt the only course which, in consistency, it was possible for him to adopt. He did not sty it was the only one which the forms of the House would permit him to adopt without absolutely con senting to the third reading of the Bill ; nor did he enim to himself that vindication of a love of conduct which might appear to some on either side of the House to have less of feel- ing, as well as appearance of conciliation, than might be grate fist to their feelings. The forms of the House would permit him to move some postponement, which would have the teodency to produce the settlement which most or all of them desired. His answer to propositions of that nature was, that, under the present circumstances of the Bill, he believed the prospect of conciliation would fail, and the attempt at adjustment would be fruitless.—( Hear. ) Still less would he consent to such a state of things as relying upon any other body in the Constitution repairing the errors in the Bill. He thought it would be more fair to Hon. Gentlemen opposite and those behind him, to adopt the course he was about to (10, namely, to move that the Bill should be read a third time at later period. The proposition of the Noble Lord to take the 51. franchise instead of 10/. was rot the only thins , they had to deal with; the Hon. Member for Dublin i; 'she'd the 101. franchise to exist, but without the test of rating._ ( Hear, he tr. ) Now to that he t ssier could consent. It was stated the other night by the Honourable and Learned Member for Dublin, that the Factory Act was a dead letter in Glt;s7ow, but that it worked well in Manchester. It was well known that it could not remain a dead lett, r, without the habitual falsifying of certificate; which slot amounted to perjury ; yet. there was no Hon. Member fcr Scot - land who get up and said his er.untry hail been ity , ultcd. So neither did he think that it was any insult to Ireland to say that the elective franchise could not rc present be :afely conceded In Scotland they had t iken such a test as was now proposed till the house-tax was ri pealed. He had stated the difference that existed between the Noble Lord and his side of the House as to the franchise; but there wcre other pert ors of the Bill as it stood, which mettle it impossible for him (Lord F. Egerton) to do o th erwise t h an take the course he teas then pursuing. Nt,t one of the stipulations proposed by his Right Honourable Friend bad found the smal . lest corcessiou from the Noble Lord. H's Right Hon. Friend's stipulations were not confined to the franchise, although that was the most important of them. They who who sat on the Opposition side of the House, found them selves, after the discussion that had taken .. place on this Bill, in a much worse situation than they were at first— ( Hear, hear)-- 4- or there was a period in these discussions when the Noble Lord was prepared to give the ten pound franchise tc, in the first instance, seven, and afterwards eleven of the towns that stood in cbedute A of thti Bill. That circumstance alone *add thake it extremely difficult r i-lonourable Gentlemen on his side of the House to come to the terms 'Which were desired by the Noble Lord. There was another stipulation made by his Honour able Friend which was only secondary in importance to that of the franchise—he alluded to the compulsory obligation of re ceiving the benefit of the Bill by the inhabitants of towns. A petition had been presented from the city of Belfast, stating that the desire for change in Municipal institutions was not so violent as had been imagined. And he ( Lord F. Egerton) felt a strong objection to the making it compulsory upon the towns of Ireland to receive the benefits of this Bill. There was a third point—the power of administering the police being conferred upon the borough magistrates. Why, in Ireland the Government had established a Constabulary force, vesting the command in the Executive ; and in the ca3e of the city of London an intention had been announced to take from the Magistrates of the city the management of the metropolitan police.— ( Hear, hear.) Was that to be designate] an 4 . insult" in Ireland, which was considered quite regu!ar in England ? —( Loud Cheers.) It was stated as a main condition on which the assent of this (the Opposition) side of the House should be given, that some settlement should be known and understood to have taken place on the subject of that Bill, which so intimately concerned the Irish Church. —( Hear, hear.) It was not his object to enter fully into the subject which had already been largely discussed; he would merely observe that he was content to recapitulate or enumerate them. [The noise which had prevailed in the House during the time the Noble Lord , was speaking became here so loud that the Speaker:vociferated " Order at the bar" at least half a dozen times Lefore anything like "order" could be obtained In what he had endeavoured to address to the House he had avoided as far as possible all topics of irritation or imputations against Honourable Gentlemen opposite. He bal stated what he believed to be the facts of the case, and he hal endeavoured to justify, he hoped effectively, the grounds he had taken for opposing the third reading of the Bill. He still retained the wish to give to the people of Ireland, that which was useful, but he thought the present Bill was not calculated for any such purpose. He wished to give to the towns mentioned in the schedule institutions that would benefit them, but he thought the provisions of the Bill would not give them such institu tions. The Noble Lord concluded by moving that the Bill be read a third time that day three mouths. Mr. E. TEN NENT rose to second the motion of the Noble Lord ; but at the same time he must say that he deeply regretted that it had been found impossible to come to an amicable and a final settlement on this question. The delay which had already taken place, had shown the truth of what had frequently been stated from that side of the House, viz, that the people of Ireland were utterly indifferent on the Municipal question.—( Hear, hear.) So far as the 101. franchise was concerned, which had been proposed for the large towns, he regarded it with little alarm. 'He believed that all the Municipal Corporations, after they were once established, would be found to be less democratic than their present advocates. But if he looked at this Bill - apart from all political considerations or religious apprehension, he found there was sufficient in the Bill to induce him to vote against its third reading. The present Bill was by far the most objectionable that had hitherto been placed on the table of the House. Independently of its embodying every principle that had been objected to in former years, it contained no one of the suggestions thrown out by his Right lion. Friend. It embodied a franchise that had been cut down to a 51. qualifi cation, and under these circumstances, it was impossible that Gentlemen on his side of the House could support the measure. He ( Mr. E. Teunent) had hoped that a Municipal Bill for Ireland for purely municipal purposes would have passed. Ile still hoped that it might pass. He strongly objected to making it compulsory upon the towns in Ireland to come under the operation of this Bill. In Belfast there would be three or four different ratings, and these much heavier than before. The observations which he was now making were not induced by any factious motives. No one felt a greater desire to pass a beneficial measure, but it was impossible for him to assent to such a Bill as this, which would be productive of the greatest misfortunes to the country. He concluded by second ing the motion. Mr. BARING WA LL said in the course he was about to take he had nothing to explain. He had attended no meet ings, and never expressed himself otherwise than he did now —that he was in favour of an extensive measure of Municipal Reform, and that he thought it had been too long delayed.— ( Hear, hear.) He did not come down to this House to drive a hard bargain.—(Cheers from the Ministerial Benches.) He did not wish to try how little he could give, but how much—(Hear)—and he thought the people of Ireland as much entitled to a full measure of justice as the people of any other portion of the empire.—(Loud cheers.) Five pound, eight pound, or ten, had no magic for him ; all he wanted was inquiry, and in the absence of that, he felt bound to give the benefit of the doubts he entertained to the more liberal measure.—( Cheers.) He trusted the Noble Lord opposite would give his sanction to no measure that would not give perfect justice to Ireland, ithich he felt convinced one day or other she would possess. —(Loud cheers.) He thought the more manly course would be to take the 51. franchise, and he could not but regret that some compromise had not come from his side of the House. He thought the offer of the Noble Lord ought to have been met in the same spirit in which it was given, and on that ground he would vote with the Queen's Government.—(Great cheering.) Mr. GRATT AN congratulated the Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down as being at least one honest man out of the many opposite.—(Loud laughter.) He contended that the peace of Ireland depended upon governing that country with justice, and he looked upon this measure as necessary to the completion of that justice. Lord ELIOT said that Government themselves did not appear to be in favour of a .51. franchise, and therefore he had hoped that some modification would have been made so as to have a bone fide 101. qualification. As, however, the Govern ment did not take any step towards an arrangement, he felt himself now compelled to vote against the third reading of the Bill. Lord MO R PET H bad hoped that the language held on a former night by the Noble Lord who had just spoken was an indication of a conciliatory 3pirit on the other side of the Lord,Hous trheastp the optrioongroefsst,heenNtiorbellye eetin ß g il t i b b is e ci s u t o e p s p ti o o d n but itsft t m h t e h further did away with that hope. The amendment went to declare that Irishmen were unfit to enjoy the same privileges with Englishmen and Scotchmen. He hoped that the sound. judging people of the three countries would . all, ere long, unite in cordial concurrence of the Bill proposed by Go. vernment. Sir R. PEEL said—Sir, it is my most anxious wish to avoid every thing likely to cause irritation.—( Hear, hear.) I am happy to find in connection with the subject of disagree ment that I have this admission from the Noble Lord op• posite, that I have had the good fortune to have introduced proposals for its adjustment, all of which were deemed Ca_ tisbctory, with but a single exception—that for the deter_ urination of the value of the franchise.— (Hear, hear.) It is with pain I find myself placed in such a situltion that I have no alternative but to vote against the third reading of this Bill. In framing it the Government have not retained one of the terms to which I gave my consent in the proposi_ tions alluded to.—( Hear, hear.) In this state of things the question occurred, what became me to do as most consistent a s well as most respectf u l t o thi s Ho use ? L oo king at this Bill as it now stand, with its chief objections in principle retained, I feel that to treat the House as it deserves I must vote against it altogether.—( Hear, hear, hear.) V I might have opposed it on other grounds. I might have said, wait till we know what course will be adopted with the Irish Tithe Bill.—( Hear.) The Noble Lord himself set the example, in the first place, by adjourning the regular course of one Bill to afford time to. prepare for onother—( Hear, hear, hear)—yet now he pro .poses to read this Bill a third time before he goes into Corn. mittee on the other one. I might propose an adjournment for a fortnight, till we saw the provisions of the other Bill; but such a course might appear as if I could be satisfied with any provisions that by way of counteraction could be introduced into that. No, Sir, I will not have it supposed that any mo difications in detail in either Bill could reconcile me to the principle or abate my deep-laid objections. Well, I now come to another part of my vindication. It was said, " Why do you not attend to amend this Bill in Committee ?" I will tell the House. I found the present Bill filled with a hope less irregularity of detail. I found a variety of principles as sumed that I could not reconcile either to rby own views or to each other. I found that it contained a 71. franchise for ten towns and a 51. franchise for the remainder, while in looking to the arrangements in England and Scotland I found that all, in the matter of rating, was uniformity and consistency. Though my plan was rejected, my m ode of estimating the rate was the only point wally found fault with, and there the alteration (50 per cent. i n t h e va l ue pro posed) was so scions that I had no hop e o f e ff ect i ng a ny available or useful modification. I repeat e d, h owever , my original proposition. The House again expresse d i ts pre ference for the 5/. franchise. Thenceforward 1 f e lt n o desire to wouldpropose av have alterations satisfied i n or th t he reconciled dtai l for me, and I confess no alterations you would not to a t tempt principle Hear, hear.) The have xobl e thought T ] ordte it l s fa y ir ou i n m that e as the of rating in the bo roughs he will adhere to the 9th of Ge orge IV. —(No, noel Li Ireland it is well known that there is a graduated scale of asses merit for the purposes of paving, lighting, , on houses ad* the value of 51., of 101., of 20!., Sze. ; but in forming muni e7pal insti utions for Ireland a general and --liseo ;.stent, and uni form scheme should be adopted. I shall riot, however, be tempted to criticise the details of the Bill now, as it might prejudice the consideration of future amendments, for when arrangements are once rejected insuperable barriers are often created, and, therefore I feel that all untimely dig , usiiona on these topics arc better avoided.—( Hear, hear.) I wish before thin question is finally disposal of, to vindicate the course I have pursued in tre . 4pect to th e question of the franchise. I find that in the case of the reforrred Parliamentary franchise in England to make out the value entitling the individual freeholder to vote von take the amount of the clear,}qrly value of his holding over and above the rent and charges. The words are that the house or tenement which will entitle a person to exercise the franchise should be worth 101. to let to a solvent tenant, who shall pay all taxes, rent:, and charges. There is also the pro. vision as to time of residence. 1 found that in arranging the Parliamentary franchise for Ireland you had done the same using to the.followinif effect. The Right Hon. Gentleman that read a document bearing on this sub;eet. I maintain that the la franchise means that the tenant should pay 10/. rent, and all the rates and charges besides, which an occupy ing tenant should pay. Those who think the 10/. franchise too high will not of course agree to my proposal, but those who say that it is a sufficient and necessary one must now agree with me —([fear, hear, hear.) If the test raises the house above the value, of 10/ a-year, then I say it is a bad one for the purpose.—(Hear, hear.) If you m e an, to THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY, JUNE 26, 1838. have a 5/. franchise say so. —( lieate:hear.) If you mean an 81. franchise sey so iflou Mean a tot franchise, say FO ; but let it be really ala one. Ido not want ta raise the franchise in Ireland, as has been said, to 12/. or 14/.; I only want to have it the same in Ireland as in England. If you say that Ireland is a poorer country, I can understand your argument, though I may not agree with it; but after your legislation in this Reform Bill I cannot admit it. The only real difficulty that I sec consists in the d'fference that exists between the pr.sctice of the two countries. here the occupying tenant pays the local rates and taxes, notwithstanding any variations in the amount of these local assessments. These variations are considerable in some cases—thus in Ireland the tenant onljnpays one-half of the poor-rate, in England the tenant pays all ; but this cannot and should not make any difference in our legislation for either party. The only practical dif ference is with respect to repairs and insurances, and whether they ought to be estimated on the landlord or tenant.—(No, no, no.) Hese they are generally undertaken by the land lord : in Ireland they were generally left to the tenant ta dis cher,ge.—(" No, no," from the Irish Members, and laughter.) But in fact there is so much conflicting testimony on these points that it is difficult to arrive at any satisfactory conclu sion. I heard the Hon. Gentleman the Member for Dublin himself say, when arguing another point, that in Ireland the tenant undertook the repairs, and that therefore Mr. O'CONNELL—That is, where he has a lease. Sir IL PEEL—But, to avoid all possibility of mistake on these variable point;, I will take nothing less than a bona fide ten-pound franchise, not to be decided by the opinion of the party himself, but by a fixed rate ; and I cannot believe that the House of Commons will in a calmer moment and on a clearer view of the matter refuse to listen to it. I was, from the outset, among the most anxious to settle this question : not to insult Ireland, as has been tinjustly imputed to me. I was rather surprized that the accusation of insult to Ireland and the impu ation of perjury to its population should come from the lion. Member for Dublin—(Cheers) —who himself had so much to do with the alteratien of the franchise of the 40s. freeholders of Ireland on account of the extensive perjury prevailing amongst them, and which he did not hesit rte to bear testimony to.—( Cheers.) I deal with the law which would impel to perj try under the effect of political or other excite ment, aed this is what I would, if possible, prevent the oc currence of in future times.—( Loud cheering.) In con clusion, Sir, I must only repeat, that I find the total num ber of houses in Dublin is 17,000, and that above 14,000 of them are over the value of 10/. This number will, lam sure, give you a very respectable constituency. We maintain that the franchise ought to be the Parliamentary franchise, viz., a bona fide franchise of 10/.—( Hear.) That was the principle to which I have on former occasions adhered, and to which I intend to adhere on the present.—( Cheers. ) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was as ready and as anxious as the Noble Lord or the Right lion. Baronet, or as any of the Hon. Gentlemen opposite, to put an end to any perjury thas might exist on this subject, and he entreated them to give him their attention whilst he stated the facts of the case as concerned the city of Limerick. In that city there was evaluation of the houses in one district, and that valuation he held in his hand. The paper contained two columns, and showed a comparison between the rated value in the parochial books and the bona fide rent paid by the lessee. The first of these houses, it appeared from this paper, was rented at 1001. a year, and rated at no more than SOL The next at 95/. a year, and rated at 751. ; the next at 60/. a year, and rated at 40/. ; others at 651. a year, rated at 40/ ; and several at 55/. and 50/., and rated at 351., whilst of the houses rented at a lower rate the equality was still greater.—( Hear. ) Let Hon. Gentlemen opposite consider this when they asked for a 10/. bone fide value.—(Hear.) He did not tax them with disingenuousness, but he considered them as under a misapprehension and misinformed—( Hear, hear)--for he was convinced that a 10/. franchise, coupled with a rating, would disfranchise a large number of the best voters in Ireland— ( Hear, hear)—voters equal to the best that either England or Scotland could produce. If he was not in error with regard to what he had shown with reference to the city of Limerick, he believed that a similar inquiry into the circum stances of the renting and rating of houses in Dublin, Cork, Waterford, and other places would lead to the same results. The Right Hon. Gentleman had given a satisfactory reason for not having proposed other amendments to this Bill, and he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) considered he had taken a prudent course in not doing so, although, perhaps, there were some of them on which the Government might have been inclined to have acted. He (the Chancellor of the Exche quer) could not bring himself entirely to despair of the amica dable adjustment of this question.—( hear.) When he consi dered how many Gentlemen on both sides of the House ap peared anxious for such a result—( Hear, hear, hear)—and that, taking both sides of the House together, there had been so generous, and he might say, bold and courageous a disposi tion to have it settled—( Hear)—he could not think it ought all to go for nothing, and be of no avail. Mr. SHAW expressed his desire to see these questions so terminated as to place Ireland in such a position that capital might be introduced into the country, and life and property duly secured.—(Cheers.) Mr. W. ROCHE said a few words, which were inaudible anywhere. Mr. SL ANE Y (amidst loud cries of " Divide") main tained that the plan proposed by the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Tamworth would have the effect of raising the franchise considerably above lot., as would be sufficiently ap parent by a reference to the report of the Committee on the rating of tenements under 10/. Mr. PRAED said, the real question was, whether the rat ing which the Government proposed carried out the full yearly value of the tenements to be rated?—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") What said the Noble Lord the Chief Secretary for Ireland ? That Noble Lord had said that, considering the loose way in which the 101. value was settled in the Revising Barristers' Courts, the 51. franchise came nearly up to the 10/. ycarlyaalue. Where had the Noble Lord found that out ? (Hear.) Had lie consulted any of the Revising Barristers in England, or looked into the evidence taken before the Rating of Tenements Committee? If he had done either the Noble Lord could certainly not persist in the assertion he had put forth upon this point. In addition to this it was remarkable that the Noble Lord the Secretary of State for the Home De partment gave a different answer to the question which had been put to him upon it.—( Hear.) What the Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer had :said with respect to Limerick did not prove that the rating was a bad test, but that the rating was a bad rating. When Honourable Gentlemen imputed to them that they were raising the fran. chise they should remember what the Government was doing in this very Bill. A 25/. holding was required as a qualificatien for the office of Alderman, while the rating under this Bill would raise the value upwards of fifty percent. —( Hear.) It was no answer to the arguments which had been used against a 51. franchise to say that though it would lower the franchise in Dublin yet it would raise it in Tralee. —( Hear.) It was no 'argument in justification of the Bill to say that it would lower the franchise in one place, and raise it in another. The House then divided, when the numbers were— For the third reading 169 For Lord F. Egerton's amendment 134 Majority for the third reading —3s On the question that the Bill do pass, Mr. Sergeant JACK SON moved the insertion of a clause between clauses 71 and 72, for the purpose of affording some protection to certain property in Cork, which three-fourths of the proprietors contended would be exposed to injury by its being administered by persons interested under this Bill in deteriorating it. After a few words from Mr. S. O'BRIEN and Mr. Wouere, the clause in question was agreed to. " Mr. O'CONNE LI. propoied a clause by way of rider for the purpose of enabling parties to vote on the payment of one year's paving and lighting, and pipe-water rates, even though arrears beyond thatennount should be due. Mr. SIIAW thought this would be a departure from the Irish Reform Bill, and he therefore would object to it. Lord MORP ET H said that as the proposition of the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin seemed to be a reasonable one, considering all the circumstances connected with these rates, he should concede so much to him. Mr. Sergeant JACKSON denied that any ground what ever had been shown to justify the insertion of such a clause in this Bill. After some further observations, the clause was ordered to be added to the Bill. Mr. O'CONNELL also proposed a clause for tile purpose of preventing the Municipal franchise from depending in any way on the payment of those rates or taxes, such as the Pav ing tax of Dublin, which were payable in advance. Mr. SHAW said that this sesesta seene o eseaseen in the lass-, and he, for one, could not consent to it. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL supported the clause, and it was ordered to he added to the Bill. Mr. O'CONNELL next proposed a clause for defining the rates and taxes which, under this Act, must be paid, to entitle the parties to the right of voting. The clause was, however, after some conversation, with drawn. The Bill was then passed. SUGAR DUTIES. On the motion for going into Committee on the Sugar Duties Bill, Mr. CL AY rose to bring forward the motion of whia he had given notice, but owing to the noise and confusion that prevailed in the House, and the frequent cries of " Bar, bar," to obtain order, the observations of the lion. Member were imperfectly heard. lie said his object was to get rid of the concealed bounties paid on the exportation of refined sugar by a syste , n of drawback whitith entitled the manufacturer of that article to a larger amount than the duty received on raw sugar. The effect of that system was to impose a heavy tax on the people of this country, and to enhance the price of sugar generally, whether foreign or colonial, beyond what it ought to Ile, at lest 12s . per cwt. The H o n. 'Member rent into a statement to show that the principle on which the amount of the drawback Wl3 calculated was enormous, and contended that instead of tillbs. every 1191bs. of raw sugar would pro duce on the average 'Nibs, of refined sugar. The'evide , ice before the Board of Trade gave the average at 821b5., and if this were so it was clear that a ureater reduction than that proposed in the amount of the 'drawback to be allowed in future ought to be made. The lion. Member pruceele:l Ftate that he hal received a letter, sig,Lei by sixteen ry,t of the trerity:four sugar refiners io London, requesting him tJ againstProte-t a contin uance o f t h ose b ountes, an d to ur ge the adoption of the system of returning the duty paid upon all sugar exported. The Hon. Member contended that the effect of the system which he proposed would be to give to the consumers a good and cheap article instead of a bad a.7 - ,d a dear one. He concluded by moving the following amendment :—" That it be an instruction to the Committee that they have power to make provision fur permitting British plantation sugar to be taken from the bonding warehouses for the purpose of refining, ou approved sceurit/ being given for the payment of the duty ; and also to move in Committee on the Bill that the bounty or allowance payable on the ev.p.ma tion of all desrfiptieis of refined sugar, and of the treacle produced in the process of refining, be twenty-four shillings per cwf" Mr. P. THOMSON said that his Hon.- rriead had failed to convince him that the plan which he proposed would have the effect which he anticipatwl fro n it. There was nothing whatever new in the plan which the Hon. Member had pro po el. It was a plan that had been wider the consideration of successive Governments. The plan proposed was that twenty-four shillings duty should be returned on every bun- Cred of sugar exported. This plan involved the necessity of ascertainir" , the pr portions of sugar and molasses con tained in each cat. of the raw mater;al imported. The ne cesary result of adopting the plan pr .pase - d would be to raise the price of molasses to the consumers. As to Aldo cument signed by the sugar refiners, it was not surprising that ti.ey should recommend the plan prop ised. He con• tended that the plan proposed by the lion. Member was one that would fat in its operation, and would not produce the Le.:efits which the Hon. nbcr expec‘ed from it. He felt bound to oppose the mot'on, Mr. HU.IIE felt great doubt as to the propriety of the course adopted by his Il.m. Friend. He thought that where there was such conflicting evidence in favour of different sys tems, it would have been the best mode to have referred the consideration of the matter, in the first instance, to a Commit tee of Inquiry. Mr. PEASE was anxious to get rid of the present varying and uncertain standard by which the duties acre regulated. The trade was at present borne down by fiscal regulations, of which the sooner they got rid the bettor. After a few words from Mr. VILLIERS and Mr. TIIORNELY, The SPEAKER put the question, and the amendment was negatived without a division. The House then went into Committee upon the Bill. On clause 1 being :Toposed, Mr. HUME moved an amendment to the effect that the duty on brown and muscovado suga-s should be reduced from 245. to 20s. per cwt. The Honourable Member contended that in every instance where a reduction of duty had taken place en any article a great increase in the consumption of that article was the consequence. This was instanced in the article of coffee. Since tl.c duty on coffee had been reduced from Is. to 6.1. per lb. the consumption of that article had greatly increased; and so far from the revenue having suf fered by the reduction there had, on the contrary, been a very considerable increase in th! revenue with respect to that arti cle. The same had taken place with respect to wine and spi rits. Ile contended that the same effect would be produced by reducing the duty on sugar. Under any circumstances 158.0001. per annum would be the utmost that could be risked by the experiment, and he thought that where the benefit of the public was concerned that experiment ought to be made. The lion. Member concluded by moving that the duty. on im portation of muscovado sugitt be reduced to 203. per cwt. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER contended that the consumption of sugar increased with the increase of duty, and he there ore trusted that the Comtaittee would not agree in the proposition of the Hon. Gentleman, but that the House and the country would be satisfied with the progress they were making, and not again making a gratuitous sacrifice of the revenue of the country. Mr. G OULB URN said that if the duty was reduced to the drawback formerly allowed it would be a serious reduction of the revenue. The history of the sugar duties showed that the tax did not affect the producer or the consumer of sugar in a manner so serious as to prevent the extensive consump tion of that article, and he should therefore oppose the amendment. Mr. VI L LIE R S thought that foreign sugar should be ad mitted at the same duty as the sugar produced in our own colonies. This, he considered, would be the best mode of benefiting the consumer. Mr. HIJME said that after what had fallen from the Chan cellor of the Exchequer he should not press his amendment. The clause was then agreed to. The remaining clauses were agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be reported to the House. The Slave Vessels Captured Bill was read a third time. . DANISH CLAIMS. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in answer to a question from Mr. Cresswcll, said that the Government had given directions that those claims should be investigated by Commissioners, and that their report would be laid before the House. The Dean Forest Mines Bill was read a third time and passed, several clauses were also added by way of rider. The Dean Forest Encroachments Bill, as amended, wvs teal a third time and passed. The Prisons Bill was reported. The report of the Glass Duties Bill was brought up. The Party Processions (Ireland) Bill was read a third time and passed. _ Tile other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at Half-past One. HOUSE OF LORDS, JUNE 25. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY took his scat on the Woolsack at Five o' Clock. The Duke of BEDFORD and the Marquis of ORNIONDE took the oaths and their seats. Messengers from the House of Commons brought up some private Bills, which were laid on the table. Mr. Bury, from the Court of Chancery (Ireland), ap peared at the Bar with certain returns, which were laid on the table. The Bishop of ELY presented a petition from the Arch deaconry of the diocese of Ely, praying that in any system of national education that might be introduced, due regard would be had to the interests of the Established Church. The Right Rev. Relate then gave notice that to-morrow he should present a petition from the diocese of Ely complaining of certain clauses in the Benefices Pluralities Bill. The Earl of HAREWOOD presented a petition from Leeds, complaining of the improper regulation of beer-houses. SLAVERY. Earl MINTO said he was extremely sorry he was not in the House when the Noble and Learned Lord( Brougham) had given notice on the subject of slavery. If not inconvenient, he hoped the Noble Lord would postpone Isis motion till after the Coronation. Lord BROUGHAM would acquiesce with the greatest possible pleasure. Indeed, it would be inconvenient, he feared, to bring it on on the day lie had named, and he would, therefore, postpone it till Thursday week. The Noble and Learned Lord then made an amendment on the terms of his motion, for the purpose of giving it a more extensive range. POOR LAW. AMENDMENT BILL. The Bishop of EXETER presented a petition from the vicar of a parish in the diocese of Ely, complaining of the conduct of the overseers of the Board of Guardians of Caxton and Arnington Union, in preventing the paupers from attending divine service on Sundays in the parish church. Also a petition from 3,090 or 4.000 inhabitants of the town of Dudley, complain ing of the operation of the Poor-law Amendment Bill. particu larly that clause which related to the separation of husband and wife. Ile contended that such a proceeding was illegal, and contrary to the decisions of the Judges of the land. He would feel it his duty to put the question into a course of legal investigation—(llear)—either by certiorari in the Court of Queen's Bench, or some other mode. Lord WHARNCLIFFE was gratified to find that the Right Rev. Prelate had taken up this most important sub ject, but he could not too strongly deprecate the conduct of those who made assertions on the authority of nobody knew who—(Hear)—which, when properly investigated, would turn out to be utterly unfounded.—( Hear.) Lord RADNOR believed the doctrine of the illegality of separating man and wife had been carried too far. Sonic persons—he did not know whether it was the Right Rev. Prelate or not—maintained that it was illegal to separate them for a day, or an hour ; and if so, they were all acting illegally in not having their wives with them in the House of Lord:. A laugh.) If the Right Rerercnd Prelate were a married man, he also was culpable in not having his wife with him. He contended that the assertions that had been made relative to the dietary in the workhouses wer3 completely unfounded. The Noble Lord here referred to certain returns that had been laid on the table in consequence of complaints lodged against the Hord of Guardians of a certain Poor-law Union, which proved that they were entirely without foundation. The Bishop of EXETER explained. lie denied that he had ever made the assertion which the Noble Earl had imputed to him, and complained of the hardship of alluding to ma:ters which had occurred scme months ago. He would remind the House of what occurred in 1834, when that gre:Aest boast of Britons, the Act for the Emaneinati,,,, „r Puuti unf.CIISC of twenty millions to the country. On that occasion the strongest words were used to afford such protection to the apprenticed negroes as would prevent husbands and wives from being separated --=-( Hear, from Lord Brougham )—such separation being deemed contrary to the spirit of the British Constitution. The Earl of HAT FIERTO believed the dietary in the neighbourhood of Dudley was more expensive than that usually provided, and he believed very general dissathfaction existed with regard to the operation of tie law i n t h at d i str i ct. Ear! STANHOI'E preened a petition from the Rev. Mr. Bull on the subject of tin poor-laws. The petitioner stated that the optration of the Ittv as it at p resent stoo d was calculated to alienate the affectim of the poorer c l asses f rom the aristocracy. After a few words from Lordßanewn and Lord Wriame- CLIFFE, The Duke of RICHMOND :aid he felt it his duty to vin dicate the Noble ENrl ( Stardßie), who war britiging fer_ ward those charges against the board of Guardians.—( Hear.) The Noble Earl produced th Rer. Mr. Bull before the' Committee, and M'. Bull bro'e down, and now he was en couraged to tiring fermird thesTharges.—( L a u g ht er .) The petition was then laid mile table. IRISH MAGSTRACY. The Marquis of LON DO I!JE RR Y care net:ce that it was his iatention on Tuesday, le 3d of July. to move, first. for a copy of the eircalar-lettenddressed by the Lord Lieu tenant of Ireland to the Lords,ieuienant of counties of Ire land, dated Dublin Castle, Malt, and signed " Drummond;" secondly, copies or extracts oldie answers of Lords Lieu tenant 'of counties to such ciedate letter; and, thidly, for a ri turn of the order from the :lanaper Office, calling upon oath Magistrate to tal;e out %Biwa delay his dcdimus, and specifying the Magistrat e s rei n oy a dd e d; and, fourthly, a return of' the -number of StiDediary Magistrates appointed since the passing of ow 'Act, scifying the counties to which they were appointed. The Earl of MULGR AVEsaid that i: the Noble Lord would • give him a copy of th e eturns he moved for he would consider them. CORONLTION. The Marquis of LONDODERRY wshed to put a question to tlw N o bl e Lord at i l k; head of licrAlaf'sty's Go vernment respecting the augut ceretr....ny wfcli would taLe place in a day or two. It word be in the recat:ction of the _ Ileuse on the oce ision of the presentation of era' pet..y: on this subject the Noble Viscount said that there wool n c __ procession of carriages. He did not believe that that proa,e;rs. 51011 could have any possible connection with the Ambass f l sar Extraordinary sent to this country; but he WAS WO' t° that an arran gement b a d b een ma de entirely witho ut , P;1 1- ie r dent. The act ors a t th e ceremon y were her Meie , tY cc • subjects, and from it he thought all others ought to Pwit, a _ eluded. On locking t o t h e Gazette h e found the progi_oj first stated the '• advance of trumpeters"—( Laugh ter) e t he that next in the ord er o f p rocess i in ca me the carriage n' reee Charge d'Affrires of Mexico, the carriage of the d'Affaires of Portugal, th e carriage o f Chargedthe ff:ires N e e, or Sweden, and the csrriage of the Greek Minister. t i , " what he wished to ask was, whether this arraeg ente n t ose Tiede at the solicitation of the Government, and wh ethcr d illustrious perscna b ees, the Foreign Ambassador s, h `ith q uiesccd in it ? H e remembered the extreme delieeeY of which questions of this kind were treated at the Cootfe es- Ch Venna, and he could not reconcile it to his duty not ell treute astonishment at an arrangement so different from precedent. t 015 Viscount MELBOURNE believed the arrangement mode on an intimation from the Government, and he ht'. that the representatives of the Foreign Powers had acqnlee in tl•e arrangement L . • t, he The Marquis of ONDONDERR Y— Acquiesced 11 arrangement according to the programme ? ount MELBOURNE—Yes, certainly. elu T si l l i , e el) E o ar f l a o n f a l t Z i l o P na r ch t a l r i a o c u t g e l r it .— th ( e i c k e a re r. m ) ony Lord After a few words from Earl FITZWILLIAM and 1311OUGHAM the subject dropped. On the motion of Lord REDESDALE the Frecoonl Stem:, Duty Bill was read a second time. a ecti• The Bishopof EXETER should' to-morrow present c t' t o f tion from the Rev. Mr. Baker Stonehead, on the subi e the National Education Committee. • tition in The Bishop of NORWICH, in presenting r e the bad favour of the national system of education, said that P c wa s lately visited all the poor houses in his diocese, and _ l gne rs, ought to be ex' happy to say, from personal communication with the I". t b re' that t'sey had everything they could require; and that wi vO .l spsct to the education of the children, if the Noble td, it ( Stanhope) could see the improvement that had been effecc would eolfar to make him a convert to the working of 0,0. APPOINTMENT OF SHERIFF, IN HUMAN e„,, Lord L YND UR ST was desirous in bringing thi' qu tC ol/ lion under their Lordships' consideration to call their atteinn"ed ,ri , to the . great practical alteration which had been elv e on this subject by the Noble Earl at the head of the Grbcean meat of Ireland—a great practical alteration which had d ad introduced within the three years that the Noble Earl lla ci be s ministered the Government of that country. He n . " l , r leave in the outset to state that the Crown never, at an, vie riod of our history, had the aointment of Sheriffs ,cti re and was not his opinion alone, but pp it was the opinion c%p upwards of a century ago by a Judge of great emineaee_d in learning. He alluded to Chief Baron Atkins, vvho stattF hid terms precisely the same as those lie (Lord iLyndlairE n eve r made use of, that the power of appointment Was by the , verted in the Crown, either by the ancient law common law, or by the statute law of the Co il ' tate' (Hear, hear.) By the ancient law the Sheriffs were c_.;lejte. by the freemen at the county Court ; but innr c i e ete ences having been found to result from the mode i n ii i_ on ee , - ing, and for the purpose of removing those ' ist ee,; niences the Legislature interfered, and two Acts reglidsops the appointment of sheriffs were passed. Their 1-i ot y, boa would therefore see that the Crown, by the ancient la e ' c ' fre n, no power to appoint. The power was vested in th e n fr e ieete 4 who elected precisely in the same manner as they n m n i ble and Coroners. But what did the statutes say ? The '„ota'n the Learned Lord then went on at great length to eey t i l o n statutes, and argue on the law of the case. In ad"' Lord; what he had already stated, he would beg to refer thei r ba d ships to the opinion of Chief Baron Atkins, to wh°,,mlished tit before referred, as expressed in his Law Tracts , P" , :r l t hat it , the reign of King William. The Learned Baro n •e :g t h tie ' ne ither Pa 'o n ly " is most evidently made out that the King ever had, any just right or power to elect his patent or commission to the sheriff bath . Ijs is 5 1 1 signify to the sheriff himself that is so chosen—tinsion sheriff,. u sed to the use of the patent ; but it is the proper elel u dgeis those great officers (Lord Chancellor, 'freasuree, hoght t at ete ) that truly vests them in their office." i s l e i t an d he had now made out, as far as related to Dn,"' and least, that the law was clear, distinct, and pree , s°, sta r that there was no power to de v i a t e from the words of be laies cute, for both the language and the construction were joie!' and as he had already proved Dyer's case had no "'aelass' whatever. But h ow did thi s apply to Ireland ? g w ith with respect to I re ld n d was precisely the same as the CO respect to England. The Act of Parliament e m od, called " Poynin g ' s A c t," the 10th of Henry the Seventh, rod, these Statutes the law of Ireland as well as the law of En.g lo ha d A Noble Lord whom he did not then see in his place, sciLerd filled the office of Secretary for Ireland, had told hiraltive rs Lyndhurst) that there was no doubt the l a w was the S' a pe the law of England. Some time ago Commissioners w er tice of pointed for the purpose of inquiring into the Courts of insearned Ireland, one of whom was the son of a Noble and thetr re' Lord who sat on the opposite side of the House. In d the port they stated that '• the election of sheriffs was tin der t he 9th of Edward the Second and the 14th of Edward the and that the law was precisely the same a+that of Eng a f f n e‘ i This, it must be remembered, was the opinion o f meg *5 , acquainted with the subject. He had stated these autborr' but he admitted there was an authority entitled to g rc a , weight and to great consideration on the other side -- t he a ho thority of the Noble Lord opposite, the Lord President,4,t of course was well versed in the duties of his office ' o f ' a Noble Lord on a former occasion—on the presentation 0, petition—said that the right was vested in the Crown . f t he should have disputed neither the law nor the authority 0 , but Noble Marquis if the case had depended upon authority ;u when the Noble Marquis gave his reason, and referread b a d Act of Parliament, which he (Lord Lyndhurst) f out i ' e bt ta nothing to do with the subject, he thought lie ha d a rel r on ° 1 0:1 dispute the authority of the Noble Marquis, an d to d i the the authorities to which he had referred. What ~_ t he Noble Marquis say ? He (Lo r d Lyndhurst) quo ted into the Mirror of Parliament. lie said—" Siece I came u the House I have ref e r r ed t o th e I r i s h A c t of Parliament on subject (1 Henry VII.) by w hi c h a ll the then existiageherlP lations and laws with respect to the appointment °f ring rho were done away with, f or t h e express purpose of ves a oc e c era; appointment in th e C rown , and from that time it has e o f ingly remain e d veste d i n t h e C rown, n o Act or in terfer Parliament having deprived the Crown of the authority N o ble has been so re p ose d i n i t. " Thi s statemen t of t h cu re th ° Marquis proved w i t h respect to l aw as we ll as to litera truth of the line— " Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:t app —( Hear, hear. That law had no reference s l e nd 'WO e , toe - en meat of Sheriffs. It merely put the treasurer in Ire tve,uh the same footing as the treasurer in England ; h s t 0 ask, how could such a measure make any altereti°nrngere re c t . appointment of Sheriffs? But what made the eitr, o ,(1 merkable was, that the Acts of Edward the fct- Dud Edward the Third were then in existence, an d -b r e nir;r l .3 which the Noble Marquis referred was previous t° 5 ' 11 : Act. But this was not all. There was another sin i g e• h rya s - t on the part of the Noble Marquis. This law, "J u n- p resc li n g law of Ireland now—which continued in force at rs ago 1 ' time--this law was expressly repealed about forts' Ye; utter the Act of the 43d of George the Third, and it sy be t. waste paper.—(Hear, hear.) Really, he t hought eth orit e quoted sufficient to show that th e N o bl e Marquis s s ionc,, rs t , ought not to outweigh th e au th or ity o f the Con' un- e ed Fifteenth Report and the authority of Poyning's A ct ; t chip thought he was e n titl e d t o sa y th a t th e l a w with rOP ec , o es chi appointm en t o f s h er iff s was just t h e same in !rel ent ' England. N ow as to th e practice. If the ay e 1 '" a e " cl 11 f O°- Act were distinct and precise subsequent usage CO 0•Ith affect it, but, in thi s case , h e f oun d t h e usage corlesPle the Acts. He would now stat e t o th e i r Lordships 1 t be , deuce at different periods as to the usage. The Noble rent then went on at grea t l engt h to exp l a i n t h e u sage as e see. l times with regard t o the appointment of Sheriffs. I ' ll gainn e Earl (the Earl of Mulgrave) ought to be we ll acl er , °° with the practi ce , b u t the Noble Earl said that there fiY'ecne a such rule in Ireland. He stated this with so ,neck °Xi s that the House at the time acquiesced in it. e r t ea The Earl of M ULG RA VE—I said there li e " similar rule. r of the had L YND HURST—I have only eof the reP Q- i t ic re r„; Mirror qf Parliament.—( H,‘ar, hear. ) • The word , t e f i" nereiru there is no general ineetingthe r ef: Judges, or-of persons representing the execotise for 3 IC I turn of three names to the Government, and to pose." And aeain "the Judge going the Asa'ee In a-- 'li3t 0- h returned the seicction is usually confined." a oc The Earl of MULG R AVE N I v " 1. o, no ; ne words. A / Lord LYNDHURST was verified be llansare'.,,, observai'',os bates" and by the report of the Noble Earl's they appeared in the Mirror qf pc7.l,,,nent ; but he ,13; now glad the Noble Lord deniedthe ' • aacaracy of th e ;, n ieJ also u t " ported expressions, because he supposed that lie ( the facts to which they related.—( Hear, hear.) Chic eately, however, for the Noble Lord, the words of the rt b re' Justice of the King's Benell in Ireland, as given the r j ee ifs port of the Commissioners of Inquiry into the Courts of off Lela, d, made in 1826, stated the practice to he erititeYa a rn e e site to the Noble Lord's view of it: [The Noble and lit Lord here read the words in question.] That rare I, le l A l ia ' e 5 1, 1% to Ireland with as much precision as it epplied to '"sber ~t l ll , ly.e , tnl id t i s t - ut t r s is . : a eo s r rh atd e e; s : : ii t( m )tne e ,d , to in at 6 1 : : a ro : i i rl i 'l e - glett"lll'htnelBpeteoicpc:i icijoalin:lrrtPdstdtreele.of Sir R o b ef t tlic law had Leen violated and the artice broken in Upon' the so ointto ththat t likewise he e thl had the usage, ibnutetrlviael N i , t ear ." . s .. the practice iu 1797, hut in i tice following S°l-'f•sol'i s f= rebellion, tt t a(l yc s a u r t ( . 3 tr . r i d socialp crier at that pa r'ijaorrsidli: t e wore e t , d • welt, and that jud a d e . ti i i b l a it ' e v n o cl i l n . t r h at i a atlej:cioelt:hi'itreatodtit,cfi P f et i :u r tj l a ar i e. : oll n . Cl :: : ; l ;l c i e et : i 'to the I..)ut ts, h the individual whom lie deemed fittest for the P° , et fo r tro t A In one i lat e without • t • rem , rkable era recurred in Irish historf --°3" r e g N es ob r l e e tu L u o i read itlphepoilii.sttlscinofoseseln, Lieuteeant made the aPP° th • t!le lists. This practice c:7nei eel as Seerftdf t he country. Until the - ri it was the custom and the usage ° e ta But the attention of that Right lion. Baronet di, b n called to this state ef th'nee his • " bee" f6' ith a view lot c ):lo (.; stue s iiidae o r f tp; oy t r h ed‘ e ;ooi : C ghlai r eti‘ oi vrr. reeted towards it, he immediat t ery " consuvliteed"with 11 ;ars tsciie at once w , a r e!} the lacy nd t hdaewiurrhsicap remedy o e c i lt i e ;) o v u , f i n: t. c: s i n i t t i o t a . a a n y n( 15 :: ( 1 , : t i::: former State, and put it on t on welch still continued •. to exist since the s title footi ,,, which it had pre° °lls ' irhe isted and • it on up to the period when the Noble Earl exercised the of 6ce ° that t f