The Sun. — London, England, 1809-05-05 00:00:00

."'. .- ... __; . • - ' - e . .• , ' ''prneseled,froin a rev: ter x'nere o.tier'was not stria- , ge woreld, in tile. epurse Dian :examination, it.bidi . • ~ Jy oliservtid. • , lon another .ni...;ht weeldeake place ou ibis subject, • Mr . :WINDHAM ire continuation' fee - lee - heti, that it: i uphold the iiriri.cipl 011 Wllielt lle . now steed fiie :3; a:el. %vac , A l most absolutely neees.a . arv . in , gei jeed e i. searee c T here evpie thiee'era4 which he would considei ...; , s into what the Hon. Member (Mr. Fuller) 'would. be . e those of the rehirm clarnoUr. The-first was-at the at;--The principles of those Gentlemen whom lie -; ,ciqse of the 'Arne'rjeatt war, and the clamourwas had been d escr ibi ng w e re, he contended, In a great l'eli26li afiiBc6l' . The second ttas et the cpmelenee ,part.fonnded upon rile' plan of universal - reptesenta-; ; anent of the' , Fedoch,ftevo!ution; and the keit wits • the resent period; Ir' hen we looked to the eliarac - - tion. Though he knew it tea; impossible Remake i . . W - . - . . . .ri distitiet emitueration of their several views, yet tie j : te . r .9 l l . i i . !9se ":h°, elamee : r:;c 4 fotelletormen the pre perfeCtly well knew this . %efts': One to Which they held t 'lent Gay . , it Wei imposseee ;9 say that they lost the in .particular. On the arguments of the Hon: Gen- -benefit of •the French Ile.voleti e n. , ...If 'the people tier -lan, he must ebserve, I.vhh respect to the Change. would buso infattiated still, as : tOtieltere that eer ''ruption existed in their Geveforelent ; if they bed iproposed by 'raising the landed 'interest, it WOuld have eu quite the contrary of the'finii. Gen .. , effect not , sense enough to diicern the inserlieiency of slid) .tleman's i n t ent i ons . Th ere are men, sa i d t h e Right - 'neistires'as'the present, to stop the e . vils . c e omplaired lie, for one, at least, ' .whuld exert hil. - influeitee ;lien: Gentlema n (M r : W.) suc h as we are, who' :..of, • . - having neither )motited 'nor landed ' interest,' will in oppcisition to such a M easure . ,I . et set a valu e o n our talents'; as w v ell aothers Would : Lord FoeeesroNe ackuowletteed the diflicuhy . Unl. on their moiler. -*The' motion of the Hytt.' Gentle- ' der . whi - cli hp rose to address the.. Haase, atter the Than, in faa, did not contain any thing which Leould • '' - 'hbie d'iStitiy made by his Right Hoo.Friend who had not cause the 'pe o pl e to ; snap their fingers*af it as of, 4u s t' sat d own. The re were, h6wever, parts of the :no use; With respeel to' what the Hon. Gentle.... ftight'Hononrable Gentleman's speech which in '''fi.ln had said of the landed interest, - 'lie turist . either periously gilled for his rema r k s . In his conception Live peid little attelition to the history of the cents- the-gunshot 4aS'not to prove the amount of corral). ..try,:or.hreehiirely ignorant of the measeres passing .: tion on recent invest igatione . ihat 'atthir had *ea ' eeut ofdoots, among the reformers of the day. NVild'. cly been dispesed 'of . , and the. Elotise had no farthln' to as their measures were,. they"didnot eilibeace suck do With it, .. He sboulsl, t o his part, add re4s ni in .. an opinion. I t i his'OPinio'n, The subject-proposed to : : eelf ti, theStibjea of the motion itself. His Hon. -the House . ..that - night - was as unboundediti its con- i Friend had considered it would' tend to produce a sideration as it was in its propped.. -As to the idea Pitrliaintotary regnlarion, and this was nide the *that the measure would be dettrutlive of corruption, !grouniffov reied'ing the :notion in the first instance • . - tb6aiibt Ho'n'ourable Gentlein'an observed that little asa leading step to :Parliamentary Refortn. Notice e ledbante of gratifidation was to 'bee ektietted Irons a : had been given by .'snottier Hon. Member (1.41 r. Med• people universally'desirous of change. A. proposi- • ' dock) of a es,Otion to theinitio- etreel, and hen that . thin would be made toelte discontented, wfto knew i subj,lii .cinife to he di , co4Fred, it w o uld w be tiiite • toe the precise limits at which .they • should ekpress en'inigh to eonifder whether it was worthy of adoption . sitisfEtion. This •Bill, it was said; was intended to or etLaryvi'se. f-..is R , ghi Hon. Friend had said That he away borough niougering ) -&e. ' lie wculd ttegletive was tar'froni wisliZeig•tor a 'l ) ,lrliamentary Reforitt.— . to ask the Hon. Getelei t raa whether he intended to 'fie would ideiSeette-Itigia 1 - 4,,n. 'gentleman m eon. . dci t awri): thee, general influence or property'? *Proper- sider wbat was the 'Matter - of taa, and nor the s ug . 1 Y did no t i n genteel' act by conviction, but by the ' geStion o f hi s fancy. He shbuld combat him on one ; lion. Gentlemeo' s argurneeti it was . contended,e that or tWo points respefeilikt•WS phantom, whicl,he had an.,es,tatewould produce that etica. For his part he conjured up. ~ The Bight Hoe. cyentleipan had sqi,l, ' thould depttaate any chicanery On this subject. He that en) , changeeereposed- `would be a charege'of the shoilitt be glee' t o know *if the influence of guineas, represeetation. He (the .I%,6tile‘ lend) Would rct e r _and th a t created 'b y ot h er property, was'not virto illy In t o t o t h e l aws exfant , on oiirst;ittne.len o k e respeet e ' they same)* He leas perfectly a .vare of the ergureehe tug the prevention of bribers. and corroption...l'here tam ad h ow i l i um , an d she eigementon ad alvardthni would be it o change, in t Ile' 4)44 di - the Cemstitio ion, .. but till 'the present Moment hedmi never heard of the eiiange would . be in tin pra:.t w ip , , which it not . such an ,argiitreetit as 'tile aieeo - te. , itenc u, rental':,... -. .altered .hitherto, was orriAg . to n' ceil'nsiint havtug , The influeneetif A gre.et etanafacturer, for instance, been made on that House cot; a i;.qnt.dr. - ',.r ie Ilieht : ' flay 11: I 've some we i g h t with. bostiwhdra lie'ettepioy- :I - Ton,' Gentle Man had eefietl it . . hi,. Hon. Friend le,d ti.i brit not or such a tiature.as to produce that coo- Meant to do away the intLence tn Property, tind he :victim) necessary to retain their suppei't at 4n . elec. 'afterivarcls eeeogniee;l' ehteiiiiiiietice of prii'perry to ‘thlti• The itlfluerice 'Of 4 landlord over. ltii tenant •be corria'ptiOn. 11 waseee his wish, tie believeLt, to - Wltild be pr o d uet iV e o f pract i ces,eq U a l ly corrupt, iu- ,no adt'ay that influ en c e . For ItisTart, he held 'tfiA tontuclis as the. latter would be bound by exereneoue influence in its'proper gismo sines. , Tim, there teas Motive's as much as the person who in any other case no man Who would agree to its being dossed midi/f -ilmy have received .peCunisry Consideration, Though the head of eorruptien. Tite., Btil seteet its obje4.,t he had himself by tire treating , t act lost elle repre- to be the Preventinn of eoriention, alio not the doing' ~ t'entation of Norf o lk, yei he could conscientiously away of 'property influence. H now proceeded to. say he had not in any !banner acted toiproperly oi- speak of the Bit itself. It "wotild 'be .in the reeei-, - - dishonourably on that occae.on. 'The gift eiropesed Witen of the House, tic a tlit p'hanceilor of, the. y the Hen. CTettliettlau t 1- clude4 wider the peti:ilties 'ExCheil4ttr bad introduced e Bait tor pre , entingthe - every man woo is ' either influchced of tilh own ,sale of olikes. In the tones e of a d, bate which ',free will, or su ff ers another. to Influence hit* It may ..4ri7Se oil' the , 'Second reading of that' Bill, , lie (the • 'be that he was deficient in the proper Sensibility on ' lqoole Lord) .shad said I ilre rotas a species of tridic such retinemlnts, but he could not - view•it in•thtt *illegal - and terrain, muting ender the (fen umination lanle tnannir with the HoncturableGetitletbah.— . of che 'Rill, and . vet On oueliee by it. `Vile retinae to ' l l4 l l ?otigh . others may not fattier rte in the .sympa- „whiCh he, hacLuiladial' W.is the sal t of sears io l'arlia li'e'C'3 01 the HonOurable OeiithAtUtl, yet lie be- Mex. The Treasury . l,e ned iepresteited .is e i Mart e e Y e d it could be found that they had! the best of . Where personelietpiently eitme ta percease that iit•- it e argernerit. If the g:Onnds on which. ahe ,14 en. fluenee which , woutd- see t, tioettein `Pathatitent o 14y %.:e‘ !ennui founded' his motion Were. 19 be adePted, .. this meet); they lost that independence ads try to . !L k woUld go 10 i h e k il o ) .)IS;4ytn i i that property evel - taint of :that kfOtite, heifigiilSliged fo vote : ,' "° ', 4.l intluence t.i,e ritpre•slitaLiOil.: The 15:444, siol olidcr the..... 1 , ;,,..,i,i .! 1,,,b- i irr..4.... ivy ....:1-.1,i'.... ;•41.••••••;,.. , Lee Jit oat, d, %vent in principle to 'the punisliJnelif they . obtained thar 'Seals. A notahk in , Cince.iii this of vliole, a i t ‘ tr „ i ii„ o ,i y, 'ft the t i er ei ee o f the Hon, way had been referred te hull, and he represented it GentiLman were' adopted,. the greater attd . the I:Pder in his . Place. ,' The Gentlemen on the other side :offence weolct,he punished exactly in the. same pro- looked 'as if ilisposed to cleerthis. TOO' e'ell-.1 not pertion. It would be unfair to deny. pevsonal in... : however, and their only rietitge, W 25 in roc-64141a derunity for the introduction of : great. and useful tioh. 1 - 11 s ,, knew a tywhetheritis- Hon. .VriAnp-h'ad 411•Itts. 'To stay tall ito favour should be lie4owed a*ed in consequence of this, hbt in a tif , tk:tilkt; Would be ,rnakieg CO ro , tison CO-esisteht %vial the art& he . gii'e notice of h ., ' i 4o '-"'t w ill - th "' 4li le r People itself. ' Unless by e pratlicability it was shewo, I\loble,Lord)'•had thotight that the eidtiseeWhledi •lee that the present cenetitutioual predict., to as of. +I 4- intended to introduce into tlw Biiloitlie Right teriorating tenden c y, lie would not .smbicrii)e to a ectitliceati oeposite, would meet with -that Right change of eliAt pradiee. . The brand prineiple on fireth•Qeetienieu's steiport. -How the Right Hon. Wbtch he titled wet 4 show the evil,,aottif.po4sible • Gentleinen nieent to recioneile Siitbhhelding his as ' take out a (wy l edy' ,k, hiti t shall prods. e, worse efe sent trait he did not knoW.' His Right Hon. Rifted feCli than the origiinal milady itself.".NOW as to the ('Nlr. W,) had snii.l it was ri.lieulouseo charge Go. Ivcposed . redit'etlon at the monied iotere, s t e he must vt.rolit.in( 'tiriiii , Atelt ttatfi. -. t'itir that iratiie he did fbiteevo, t hat ;from the eenerel tendency Ofettinge t hat . and would comintee to 'clurge thein. Not that he interest had • ,iSeen c9fsider ibly increased.. It es:l4s.llle i niteint to , say Gentlerne4 on the other side, turned 4beast of otiecemmercialexertionsond toil were we in- that traffic to their private emolument, but to the e bted • furthat.iinmose wealth which toe nation en- supeottf the administration with which they were joys, notwithsttiding-, upr complaints ,tliat we.: were: conoeefid, or:a which the : formed a pert. Wes hardships the 'midst orenoverty,. and suffering excessive. it eobSistent Wiiti . the porite , of their . ebaraeler, Or hardships from eontiotied : WarS. If the . rp.preSenta • ithe r: mein tereeree e f out ophil o h w hich the' people tive body . 'omiet - pro - Oily constitUtZxl, the - increase. should entertain of:tfrelo, - 10 give the people a dein:ll of the monied interest: in that House commensurate i of thi s request w hi ch they new made ? .The spirit to : th e ' increase of (he lauded interest, would noel of the lew on the subjeet was favounible to car conseeeently atled the telireSent.:loott., ,He did .net ; ling it into execution. These praCtices had- rnean to h‘ik what :was they iMpreisiOn on the wind• 1 b t etn ieCOonised by the 'Ho use , and it was • ttnpo- Of the pereei •who . spoke on thi s -sebjed ; but lie 't sible it wc7uld n ow' shut its eye s , on iliem e . rand,„ would iisk to were - the irnpressions• made on'' refuSe a.' bill Which went to then COrree:tion.— those who t.vere not speakers. They, would pet- The Right Hon. Gentletnan beletc hini i)'d end Bap take up this :Batte r o n principles which were • tt,ere were souid we 3ture's wlif‘i ii ' t;uctht in 111: , :ii. , ;.• 1,*. ; not - intendtid. - That . this tneasure ' arose from the be'oppOs - err *on it.cottilt ultra; : 1 -tau t to which they., calls_-of the people lie would deny. , T-liitt `lt arose led, The prescot tuoiion• eOuld nettle considered ‘1 it Ircumoorruption in that House he - would also deity. that' way ; ttoetil could result front it. •It tests not p, And he was ecivally p'rep3red to centtov . ert the as. sfep to whi'at 'was Vulearl , t ;"•• - 1 I P via I , ) tin Li.it._ .. „t L ; . rtti , e . Ilion that it was produced by a tetereti ce to the late , f6rin.• - He - c0nc , .!iv,: , .1, In)wevCr, it would produCe a iertireate resear9,l): Though in . .this'instenee a ' rcittirin of tri;it 11 , .use, acid such a one.as:was in 11)P: ~I , : a _ i ' had been he:timed on the Illustrious- Personage best tinteicon,iitent With Clio , pirit'of the COnStittt. : -. ; t ic ".: i e , (l ) Yet it was only the' case of trf.individixt,t; . don., It it inelaiiehoiv to terlect that those salt.i; : -.. . I _t. dl not peove coiruption in . the Government or in • tary Aas.in force on the P Stil - ,jeei — bad beets resciedoil. rhO House of . Commons. All.that hail been proved- But it was stilt worse, that person; c,,ntto, into l'ar:i.l 7 : hied, that the : niisttels.of this Illustlious • Persenage ' mitt- ori ,pC...osiong; riot to be I receil ottt,. and rave ~, that a freeeeieet eale - olheeinflueoce - with'intn. 1 their votes ie . tetten to the' 2elielster 01, the cley., 1 17 hat.was pArticuiarly Whimsical was, that ihe bare' ' The preposed reteriti ~ : ,, , ,,ifa be one of the House of , o r' rie tY-Of theecircurnstance :was madethe• ground- . Pitiliatitent, not of tii.e roi)i'cillaiioll. to . the ~, co ndemnation. e .Recurrence is made to Mrs. objiaion that tinsi nieziLure we ht to provide_agaiost '-','arkee though • she - was neither a. Mmbef'of the an ,evil, which - lied eat e els tetice;lie would say, 4 .gi)le rionse nor of the - GisvernMehte As a, measure pro.- : Lisette' meetili 9f . pedv ing .. .it ; and we will do, so." ,klis ( P :„ .? . !el i . With trig. view to pacify, he could • not but ' • ittght finti - . Frieo:l luict sdid, the POPtilar clatupur in. et . , J 1 , le peep e, consider .the present an absurd one i• as one winch dicatalliiitigly .1 des'irc - of'clian , am'. It , tl. ' - I. , a ttttmpted to. establish the ' fad of ;Corruption, arid'thot`the effeNs Of the,ervach . Revolution, were , I,h,lhat House, .or in . the' Govenimerl l , he hoped net entirely dude :tit ~FOr his parche.,neVer ob / .; the Rouse would not give its countenance 'le .3' .- sewed a iii . slllititi')il(4 that kind in the country', the liar ~, - . . ' '' I ' r-i ' II - , .. . t b lltiliare' 66 false end so niischievous. 'fliere w o ol pert le of•En4lam.. \,..,,r,1 (or .00,„1116 IPOlc (nag. to. 1 10 ,end, to il t ' a tempts . made: by- the 'pea. ave r & tlibit'ilistniir cOn , .thii6iis.'ik'llich had been e eo Ple . f ., ‘ ,., 4 ' le . . " ' ' '' 't -' , s , ' . ; - ~ •.• -fleeting...a) as. they. ' thus' - her' Tlitek' fatally Pran c e. expertentedhy. iie .. p eetee ( el I.teeee: require tiot -in tad be•exisceled to atop. They - would .- eteeenpfidtreesell;te:d, azifiVtliiif - iin-3 - 7Trouse ci prevent. li t it-nre of those who set them on to go - fah hve'Witli . ecf - tei.nv i t. ) cingitd!,ity - bi ,° lltklut : criervne eo f . impro e . 'e Principles they had promulgated, and yoint:6ot.' - pct' i.nflileija.:.- ire Moped the Houte would not re tore. ,4v tangible ; souse rii!Otiedi illetboj 0/ refot tn. tuw, a remedy ell this /wade such as was deired. The ;vas • - what lie Po- - • Stoll' by PhykinentaryE...;torm: in the . inode arid stror,lure of, the Fio-i but-he did . tict undersiadd that.. ,it' 4• er.ino;o ,cache ivtthin tbp scope of .the the subjeel 'Of larliametitary. aelerm,..thertilore, should not say asingle tort! ; btit . ,"in order 16 pledge himself to the ..r.upport of the measure. it witS tieccs, ,sary to knew . two things ; whether wits right ; whether it was pr4tie4bJe.: , That 'it was right he 'had no doubt, and he did not pen» ceiye-that it .I*.vould , accompanied with tl,to a clan, gers apprehended by . his flight Houourable near him. How, far it would be.praaicahle to carry into execution he would not presume to Offer the slightest opin:en, , for it mu s t be yiewed All its bearings; nod the . opioic h of the Hinkle. '7,nd the Country in some 4:Tree ascertained before this (pies. Lion could he • • •. Mr. Fyi.t.isa ~apologizeri for the' interruption whicit - he bad Oc . ens . hilted during the speech of the light Honourable. (.3entlernan 'opposite, .which he attributed to the indignation which he felt at hear in the observation rr.ta , .le by tli third Member from him (Mr. Tierney), fvlitle, that Izi;ht Honhutoble Gentleman WO3 speaking so nobly. He declare 4 upon the honoor of a ruan, Whose family bad, for two centuries heel; most ichoura'ole, that he, wog influenced by no Otter motive. As to the F. übje itself, lie should withdraw, and not vete upon it., Air. H. Ett&w.Nn, opposed the Itlot101). Titl Bill would dray tend, in his opinion, to exclude many molt honourable and resi,e(...tiible men, whose'phicel would be supplied by others less scrupulous, If it Averg, to Ike - distinttly proveethat 'every Alinntier in the House was refiarned without bribery auci,cor ..tuption, it'would pot he believed at the Crown and Anchor. He thought the present measn:re• neither pracitim,k, h od he mrs Of opinion - , there fore; that a tiegative could not: be put upon it tOd . soon, lest the people might belndn'cetl to entertain hopes in. which they must be disappointed. Mr. B.Tltt.YttsT supported ] the Bill,. which in' opinioa Pf.ls by nn raechs conuected with 'the (pies - lino of ParliamentdrY Ile forth, 'aboin which so much .clamotir has beeu made out of doors. lit fOrming hkjud;ineut of the measure 114.144! out of hiS, sid,:rdziou many , of the tolic-; of urged How Mover, cJor-- h*tvas ! not sr: s:lnTitioc with rf':' . pect toC .1t rtls,dt. He 01.1 t, i enc .()!. some late inYestiga ;, it ha 4,,georal , that that House and the times were peculiarly liable to the chirge of' corro: • He,protestej against this doctrine, and be ;io expeciation that 'a measure such at th,tt'nov.' Tot-d would satisfy the personi to whom he had ..He thought the ineasnre - right and practica, and that- - hs Hen, kriehd pc:ir him hid t.ilteo 'the tllorra too soon, al thoug'a he Lilly aliowrd the , Yvis,4/91 01 11 )=y of -his obstavatiohs ; but the inea.shre propoitql was ii regu 7 ' lotion, .and it had Ito connectiou that wove On . - ficuit and 'time dangerous should.,agree to the Mooch...iron of the on this principle aiat.had inducNl him to agree to the" Gred. Art. ; but he by tip means plesig,ed himplf to agree. to the Bill itself', until he had paid the fullest attentiori to its provisions. Air. WhNutiAtit explained. . Mr. AV. .S:4yrri lamented thlt a spirit . such Is that manifested by the Hon. G . 'entlentaik that hid 41,,t, Spoken did not more ggnerally4 - itervade the House. With all clue resoeo to bis 111 4 1” Ho n . Friend, he must sa y, that he did hot know what right any man had to' impute inipriper motives to those who expressed them,elves in favour of Parliaoo mehtary Relbrin, when such men as Lard Chat. ham,' Mr: Pht, and Mr. Fox, had it ditferent•tityes expressed them:gives in favour of the measure. did hope that not any putty niorral of the preient would set himself:up against such hill viduab:. Right Gentleman opposite had observed, "that Was 11;!13 ont'to tip; . pco : ile, that na Alteration 10 the Corwittition .of the Lions::: 01,Comh - lons would, render it less sarlikt. lltt really bcitese4 that it wiJuld so, for. under the present coo stru6,tion tit the Hon se, there Lei P.i!lly persons in it It lio had ;an , Interest in wt4r. I grant' to, be given ral hut ; it w . ;-3 of great estinvition thogv,.. TeCeiVelt..H 'l,le ;able Lord ent4,ll.nied by observing, that it the withileld the lee, the discontents. which 'DOW existed - weuld multiply . , and not withtit4t 'con siderable•reason. Mr. WINMIAM rose to explain. • The . eftmsou,L.Lta . of the Ex'Coehr.itin that Wereit not for - the oranin:r in which other Hon. Gen, `demon 'had - speken on this occasion, he wonld feel j'lstif House ed in troubling the at greeter length. The Neile Lord opposite had.challehged him to re concile hiS condoa with his former professious on this subieCt. He knew not what could induce the Noble - Lord to this anticiliation of*.his i ntentions,-- The ,Nohle Lilt& had avowed- that: he-tneatit to ex tend the Bill whiCh.he . (th,e Chancellor / of the chequer):hati the honour to introdu6e, town ex change of Offices ar.d the sale of selits in Varliitnent. He bad-on - that oocation promised to give the clause :so brought forward by,the Noble Lord au- itopartial l'and candid hearing, anti that he would, from his own undemanding, decide whether Or not. it :would bqkiecomiti to' adopt it. ' He:4l'lo/4)7de turned lit over in mind, -and was prepared to meet the Noble f , :rd onr the s - objea. Au .Hon. Gentleman had F....aid ,•Ii Governmenis were ecrially cerritpt. kviptld appeal; to reason if it was ldir ,the Ron. • Gentletnan aSstrne the ta.:t as admitted, , be cause it was t .n.:tilett.—At the hone of the Am. 'Gentleman hat ing made this observation, he (the vehanceilor of the Eichequer) 1-141 L stated . his sUppe sition that the flint., Gentlemen dreW his source of Information on that head from the praelice of the h1' 11 .1 . -11 • lAI Goyernm:•ot w , And one thing tldre.'wa4 eMrrrnely strange of i. those persons - while in . ,Government - never havinr; • given ally; itiThrmation. nn ,this head. If this had been what the Noble Lord Lord termed reerimi !. nation; it Was not an inionation, at least it.s was ehreet statement.. When that Hon.Gentleinan had the means of cjving infOrmation why. did he with- Ittild it ?( On t l.r preient inotot4 hi %val, totally, unfit, he said, lb give a ; he gave cite. it tvoold he unfair, is hN c• - )tld not prom' unce. uponit ,um it assttmed ! l hape. more easy .to be. tintletstoncl.---:. Though . the Tqcc!) rif the 1.40t1: Mover tvas very in ..genintk, )et it failed in point of .precision., Fur his 'part, he really . a loss ti) 'conclude What it ‘v;ts the, imentien. of the 11 , :nourable GeniltAnan to ese.. cute, and how-he meant to set abont it. • SnrTOnnd as:the inessute was with diiHeulties, he,riid w i t - mean • to go into a decisi im • upon it, nnr tvonld ht! , ' end,eavour to 'oppose the flonnurable Gentleman's bringing in t lt' 13111 . ito would not . frown this have it to be infeired, tent he would be led it;' adopt the .'HOnotbable Gentleman's proposiiion. The lion Gentleman-had; deprecated any improper - appeal to :the people oat this subject ; and yet from a tVell‘di .gested opinion of tht! people, he snid he ha:: enlleet iite Oeeessityrot-;-..d,forni--(//c.4?-1.)-.--Th,e Geiiiieninti had de,irez.l that he Chancellor of the•Ekt.liervier) would not iniptg e t o hi m j aco l t : n i ,- SAI ciple s. It was not his intentio n to chlrge that Honourable Gentleman, nr any otherin parn- Cular, with such principl es . H ot l ie wou l d, he be nevelt,' ihlisrtlio tlonowable when. he chatadetized-by that . (I.,ii&n:l:l:i,ya the at tempts tt filch welt! inade.at_ the - present moment by • a certain set of men. Ile said that. ihv RA:v.4lll4ll:s made use of by' these clamorous 'teem - mem were as afforded an opportunity, the only. on Aivem, ot eot4..tting :in opinion on : the head .of Pitrliatuentary liefor•:i. The . top;cs which . were thus used went ins:unate a reli:.cjaishment of the bnrtlicns saltily iinposed by the war: py these 'fal3e , Jacohin ltlit hick w as playing on the land was !natured and, kept alive. I Whai were !he arguments tOr this reform ? Speeches made use of not in that House where thc% , would be met; Reprt ent:dions Were 'Made of that . 1 - Tfiitse bring the •only place which disregarded the kelings • 6i* the• people. Was t! !e lan ;,urge used ootho!;e C - 4igioint I - addressed Was it fair to say that •Parliartieniary 'Reform wOula. 'Provotit • thi..Dnke Of' York. t • FRIP, kopitga sniarss ? The Members of that ElOnsrere,repr ! ...se wed ps.sittiog thvrecontrary fo r the itinditenehtai principles of the: l.,aw of Settle 7 rncnt, , i , The illiterate and vulgar, to whom thk gkjagqisheld,-have nartaily' believed dill tine ,M,in bers of the! House . of, Cominotware-sii ling in their soak cont:aiy to law . . ,`Tut,o persons,Who prortnilgar; thiS are,'' however, well nequailitcd with the nature.olthitlaw,- that- it passed in I; on, Wag repeated in 1.70 : 1, and was not to beTevived till a fi er a st a ted period ; sine when it has not had exist ..Nicre. Irthose Gentle - men had acted fairly, they would leave represented . Are. fad its it . The Hight 171PPotItitkle.gentleman ,vindicated i-a ah able man : tier 'chlrgl\ of . apostacy_ made on his. departed friend,' Mr; 'Pitt.. - Ho clearly b roug h t h ome to the M Honourable: Mo ver .or this question, his allowance of hav,ing nelett 'w'on, , -prior periods of public :agitation. I.'he •penalties to be infiiosted by ,the at present propos e d, he demons t rated nug a . qery; and :paetkidarly the extenizion or the oiiffi after the,t-iei'llon -was ewer. The Hunt Gi , ntit.llll4Tl bid thought the I - lonsarthewed ~ sel :;y:nerallywarra in ptecripttating into w.os, 1-ke would asl: the flortonraLie q-entienino, whether in the coanuctice !wtt of a war, the !Jonas!. cry Avas not rathar ill its Latour than agaiust Flu. would . ask, if there was not great ot the poople, by repreS,7nting . Parliamei4tary riefOrni to re lieve from tie •borthens of war ?.The i 1011. Gentleman did oot . ceriaitdy mean. to hold this .lan frowe forth but his i.vords boL 'e beat: that in , c,t terpretaticm. It rine might Judge trout certain reso lotionS and speeches., it wits preqjr ;evident - that the menswe:Pr9PP3o4 ..hy , tits . flonottrablo Gentleman would not be thoughito go far enough. It would not at all tend to - ealtil-the-publi'c mind. 'Thu lion. Geotlenian. had alarmed 'lions in' his opening, and had.almost left him in doubt, whether to take the course on which he had. determined before he came, doWn' tea the' inuse. 'l - I , 4`wattld not, however,. op .. pose the intretlalion oft the convinced as' he t 9.4. 0)14 - .allO•silsenssion. •whidh . ;it - must oeeasion, wouldhave an exielkcia etreat t.i settling the public . : and'prefventing the progress of 4plusic4ll. in giving'. this eciosent, however, he 'begged by no r,negos'to he nnderstood as pleil t 2,ioLf himself to adopt ateprineiple,ot the fintiourable leman'S' INlr, P.4).ViONRY satislltetion at the con,nL s given the. Pcittt, fropour'able'Gentlenion to.the.intrpdtloll,of The . -Right Geno,irmo ;:pp,-..io c i to him to unistaie the toeaut , 4 and to conceive that 41 was niti4 iTe did 'not n)ean to i n; ,• (:' f • Jr ait,crting , : • Fintt, Fr :,car Gdr..E11111111 , 4) t”yediettay or allowing • die intro:ittaion of thk ateaittre. It xvotth.l sheer, that . ' wii . ,lo •t ho frolt ri.verturning .th Con-slitution, 'they were willing to correct thv ah4.1. - itIS that. haderept 4)10 ; this Nvnq vi• 97311.1 indrice thr. c'otnitry to place in thool that confiLicricci which it was dezitabh: th, c v should possesi. CVRAVHN made it short reply. Ho reprobai.., ed in warns terms•the comment of, the Right Gentleman who had . asiente4 to the introduaiou o f 'Owltill, declaring,. at-the same subsequently oppose it.. He, di , ,c4.iint'd oil wish to avail tiOnself of tite- present popular I,:e'iing, for the purpose of acquiring porithaity, and l decLirecl him» self 3.6 Myer*: •io• \el.() de:*`!cinteri'ali public chortle:ter:l, an:! \Ole dcclired nyair ls f u n Reform, as tite ltightlion..Gentletnen. The tnoton then put, and agreed to without a division. (tin stating tile n4nr...s of those Who were to as y,st him in bring;ng I:,.ine Sillj Mr.oorwen men i;wird (hot of ri , ‘,‘liiclt occasiont..d laugh. The Embezilernent 13il1 was read a second time, pod after some conversation, in winch S4r.r. New.. port, the Chau nCellor of the Exchequer, Mr. W. Wynne, itnd - Mr. Rose participated, was orcicreci to be committed on Wednesday. the motion of Mr. Secretary CANNING, an bumble,Address was orciered to he presentvil to his Majesty, that he, would be gradonsly pleased to .eauieto tie laid betore the frolise Copies or Extra,-is .n the Dispatch from J.; H. Frere, Est,.- to the Right Hon, G. Canning, dated ;‘ranjt',e6, Noy. V 4 1 BgB of the Dispatch frorn J. fi. Fiere, Esq. to.thcaigl.t A r Hon, G. Canning; ttniet, ;Nov. ' t), with its inelocure; and the sob»tanrc of the mttnierition made by -Sir, john Moore to tien.Stewapt, dated SJlamanca, Nov. Qu, tog. '['he Newipakr U.scount BM went tilt - 3;1;7;h n' Committee, the Repoil of which was Ordtreki ua to ref: -i ed ,to-roorto . The other Orders of the Dity were th , :n tlispo3t-d