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.11J a. 5.6 OF C 0314110-18. TUNE 13. A udvir w it w,-1.-; ordered to be i , ;suA, on the, mo tion of Mr. DUNDAS, for a Connnisomer tci serve in Parliament for Dumh,irtotMlir, , !n the room of Henry Glassitord, Esq. who has accepted of " the Chiltern Hundreds. PETITIONS 'The 'Sheritli ot Land appealed at the Bar, aid prestnted the Petition ot the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Common Council of the City of London, praying for a Parliamentary Refo;rn, which war ;aid on the table, on the motion of Alder Man ComtE; Mr. ItORARTs pre-ented the Addre ss an d Declara- Linn of the Irla.;istratt's Worctwer, praying that • th`a House of Commons would maintain is Rights and Priv:leges against such factious proceedings as tended to villa.), the House, which was laid on the table. Mr. PETER MOORE presented a Petition from the • M.iyor and Freemen at Coventry, praying for a re. dres4 of grievances, and for Parliamentary 'Reform, which was laid on the table. Lord BINNING presented a petition from several Landhohiers in the County of Haddington, com plaining of the oppressive mode of colleding the Properiy Tax; which was laid on the table. MIDDLESEX PETITION. Mr. BYNG presented the Address, Remonstrance, and Petition of the Freeholders of the County of Aliddlosex, complaining of the rjedion of their former Petition, and praying' that it be received, which yeas read by-the Clerk. Mr. BrNG moved that it be laid on the table. Mr. Secr e tary Itypa,tt observed, that it was unne cessary for him to enter into a detail of the present Petition, as . it was preci•ely the same as that Which had :,ad beeii rejected, but with some additioos.— ' Hon. Met ober read a pisagefrom the Petition stating, that tne Petitioners had a right to petition, accordin4 to the Bili of Rights, and it never occurred -in - the fyratil reign of the detested jAilieS to leicet the Petitions of sue People, and that in so doing, the House ,vinlated the law and the:Constitution.. The language of the Petition was such, that it was im possible that it could be received by the House, and , 1 he would theretore oppose the motion for its being I laid on the table. - Mr..WirmartEAD.argued on ,the contrary. The Petitioners fiat' a tight to.slate their grievances, and the passage quoted by. the ,ltight lion. Steretary ought not to occasion its ri jection. Fur instance he ouid ask him, lithe rights of the People were -not Violated in the year 1759, when-a Member having .complained that -his fishery - was invaded, certain persons were ordered into the custody of : the Set rant at Arms. On such. an occasion, ought. a Pe tition to be je6ted becduse it'statt,M 1114 Parliament had violated by eondua -the law and the Con stitution. Th:_re was something in the House of Commons ever since the cominittal of Sq - Yrancis 'Burdett lull of inconsistency and caprice with re speo to rest king and rejeding the Petitions of the People. There was no rule laid do4n on the sub- - ject, excepting that they ought net he received, unless thLy suited the criticisms of the Honourable Secretary. The C:IIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, if a Petition was drawn up in dutiful' and respedful terms, then it ought- to be received; bUt if it was intended to insult the dignity of the House, then it ought to be 'ejected. The House was not in the custom of criticising nicely the Pc.titions of the Peop:e, and therefore soak were suffered to pass un noticed, as improper expressions may be overlooked in the hurry•ofreAding. In the present instance the tit loners repeated their offensive I.lliguage, and prayed ihattheir Petition which had been .rejeded s►,ould be now received. Tie qtie%tion having - been put, the Petition was rejected wahout a division, . . SHEFFIELD PETITION. - Mr WHITBREAD presented a Peinion from se veral persons in S thel.l, praying for the release of Sir F. B ,idett and G. Junes, and for a Parliament ary itc.forin i - which he muted should be laid On the uric. Mr. Secretary RYDER observed, that whoever at tended to the la , page of the Petition must , be con vinced that it ought tfot to. be teCeited. Among other expr:'sons it stated,that the_Ptivileges of the H use ,were not-the laWs of the land, and ought not to be acki:oA , le :ged. The existence of the Privileges of the - Rouse was acknowledged - by a large majority whose vote was disputed by the 'Petitioners. The language of the •, Petition in other particulars was so ►nsulting that he would oppose the motion for its being laid on the table. • , _ . _ . I,J - id MILTON remarked, that when persons com plained of glievanees, some latitude shoukl be al lowed them, and their expressions ought nut to be cri!icist-d too fistidi,usly. He was persuaded that the. Petitioners, whom he knew, had no intention' wh..tever of wilituLy insulting the dignity of the HOuse. Mr. WALLACE said, it was utterly impossible that the Petition could be received as, among other in.. suiting expressions, it stated, that the people were ordy nominally represented. Mr. CALCRAFT hoped that the House would not go on rejecting the Petitions of the People, when Petitions of a similar nature were first presented, the Petitioners. were used with• deconirn, and the de bate was adjourned, to give the House time to 'Wu-. sider the subject;. •he thereore•moved that the De bate be adjourned-until to-morrow. General TARLToN said, he was not surprised at the ohjeaions made by the Secretary of State for the Home Department, for he knew ',when Pe-. ions were hem to his office, if _they were not pa lato r)le, they were untiwiced and laid upua the musty Sheivbs among the cobwebs. • _ 1:21C ATTORNEY-.GENERAL was of opinion, that it waiuntiecessa - y to adjourn the debate, as the lan guage of the Petition was so- exttemely insulting, ia~ ii ooald nut be received. Mr IiAIaNG s,icf, it did not appear from teuor of the 1);:t it lori, rha there w;ls any decided intention on the pan sit the Petitioners to insult the House. Mr. i:TEPHEN observed, that the Petitioners took 111)..t ittem.,elvei to cptunieut on the speeches of the Ni,atbers of the House, though th:tre was a stand- be no bethidt CO them. He nbt..belitire dial the _ practice or the Ad:in:ally Court was properly utr derstood by nisters. Certain..he u as; that it would be their wish to put an end.to its abuses! which were equally ualaVourable to the country:id the Navy. 4 Captain BREE§PORD bore testimony to the friend" ly conduct of the late King's Advoca e (Sir Nichols), with respect to captors, which he self had repeatedly experienced. 'Whatever com plaints might be niece of public abuses, lie r e ; gretttd that private tharacter s should be traduce ( ' without etiecting any possible good to the service. l. Sir, C. POLE argued at some length that ame!t' meat and alteration were much %%anted in the C ,, uri . of Admiralty, which hod undergone bo change; notwithslanding_the great change of circurristarie of the country. This was the only COurt, he he' ]ieved, that remained unaltered and unaccomodale' to tl'e present ti mes . The 'l'reasurer of th e NavY , l : conduct in re c l a i m i ng a variety of sums that 1)0'. been due to individuals fur, years, deafly proved dig much Reform was necessary. It Was dear that their captors might be def rau d e d , or have lair clairn! delayed by the c:ollusion.of clerks in othce with th e ' agents. Mr. Rode vindicated the conduct oldie Court of Admiralty, anti contended that the starts allu4d . "' hy the Hoti..l3.4Onet, had been recoverrd ugly' the agents. At no time was more attvmiott pai d- .“ 7 the Navy than at tire present. The House Melt divided on the previous quesLiotii' _ _ For , it 70 ',Against it .6 1 ithjority 70. The twe.first Resolutions view of coursteli,st, the others negatived :without a division. While strangers :were excluded some discussio n took place en Stephen's, aineudipeot, aiprovit.g of the coriCluo of the Court pf Adiniraliy and 1114 ‘ King's Pro: -tor, which t erm i nate d i n the adoPu''' of the antendment without a division. PRIVILIEqE. The Second Report of tile Committee of Pt ivilegei relative to Jhe late it prisonment.of Sir. Frauds LW ". dett, was ordered, On the motion of .Mr. 'W> tine, 4be 4! re-committed,. so far as respeUed ,the retereat , ; o made to the authorities in the Appendix. Mr. PERCEYAL had rev iously expressed his ac: quiescence in this.. motion, provided his Learno l Friend (Mr. Wynne) -would add his name and 0 , sistance to the Committee. . . -- • Atter some further remarks, Mr. Wynne was av cordingly added: to -the COminittee of Pfßilege" - * Ordered to sit to-morrow. Mr, BROUGHAM- postponed his motion xeSpe6ii l/4 -the Slave Trade, owing. to the late hour, to thisdaY' He to bring ti,© subject betore this S6ssion;, , as some rcmedy ; he was confident, v"! still wanting. blot lessi than six slave ships-17ad clear ed out horn one port since he had tir,t given notic d that it was his intention. to make a motion on 0 131 subject. . • • The-Bribery B-11 was read asec,nd time, and o r. ' tiered to be committed on Friday next. On the motion,of Mr. Ca aMS y, the East Isai 3 Loan Bill -wa-4 deterred till Friday next.: The Irish Civil List lint was postponed by M r * Bankes's Bill to thisday fortnight, IN itil a view 10 it at present. The Learned 'Wernher, liovvev' l6 pledged hiritielf tO.take it up next Session.. The House went into a Committee on t heAssem led Taxes Regulation Bill, in Which Mr. Greof.-11 posed as an arnendment, that 'persons suic hargel Should be intitled to 'shillings as expellees, that a certain penalty should be, levied oa the th i r d. veyof or Inspecior; with a p ower lodged 113.-11'd Commissioners. to .discharge them, upon repezte offences of this description. After considerable discuisions, the amendtv" was negatived without a division, Several amendmente were , introduced by Peiceval, when the. House having resumed, the l' 4 ; port was brought up, and the Bill ordered to h read it third time to-day. The Highway - Bill went through a Comraitt r ' / ' and was ordered to be read a third time this days 4 1 . The' Consolidated Fund. Bill was ield a set' time, and ordered to be committed this day. The other orders of the d 337 having been dispol of, the House adjourned at Three o'Clock. In consequence of information stating that 11 11- ', emissaries of JOSEPH BUONAPARTE were atleMPr ifl 7 to get themselves smuggled to the Spanish A.03 ,, r!:, .can settlements, th e most v i g il ant precawions adopted by the Governors of the seveial colonies iv detect suspicious characiersl The Marquis of Soot. a rueloS, Governor-of the Havanna!), ha poblisld, proclamation, subjecting alf persons ing in 0 to a stria examination, with p ena l t i es on t h e in3s' e :, of the vessels, in- case - of connivance. N o Freno' man is ad.yhted on any pretext whatever. , Two Prizes of Tw.enty Thousand Pounds t eo c viz. No. 4469, Ciass.A, and .4469, Class B, Alta", the, 'Bth-insl:'w):re 'sold by M ess r s . - BrtocEs l P% CAI'EL . , and CUERTON, Royal E x ch ange , w ho sold and shared the 'Eckel, No. 2857, Class B, Cri titled to 5001. . ..11111- LONDON: Primed by Ki c kJ:, RI) HA h. K 1 S. oi No. 4, Miirticit,Lo Itt, BOW-SliCti ; 4,1,i I . l..)ii,,:ieti ;)), ‘', 1L LI ,i. ni A KMIG L R SC k I Pi's, .ziouit, motto n street, Grosvenor tqu.pre„ At the SLIN•UFFICE, No. 1 l'i, Strand, wbere ;1 cluertisements, Orders for the Paper, Letters for tho Editor, &c. (post-p a id), mast b e a dd ress2 d. ..... CRAVESIND, JUNE 12. Arrived—the Amelia Wilboli,•Todii, from St. Videent's": .Guirewn, from Ilayxi ; and the Bell Betts' 03- Cadiz. • , Sailed — L'Adeline...Wallter, for Smyrna.; - Friends, son, for Cadiz; Mercurio, fur Bahia ; and tlitit"° - Chei.l4,• tor Lisbon. 11 .. 1141 HS. . On Monday, at the p.r,ve,. Stanmore,.the Lady of Char!" Voolc, Esci, of a Son. VI) . TUebdaY, the L a dy ,of B. C. Stephens on , Esq. 01 • Son. - - Yestc:rday morning, at Alary.ie b ,nne Church, John B° 1 1 :: foy \ Room, Esq. eldest Sun of loha Rocper; 0 ",, butts Ripton, in the County of 1-11.1.1 th M igt on, to ,Miss Pt"' only . dangh terof W i.i Hain Prot; i• sq.- or' ( ;10ln:ester-place. . . Jima Oil Friday last, at Bedgbury, Kent,•Mrs. Mary Wycli c ' ' daughter of Peter Wyche, kn:q. late of Goadby, in the Cd r ' ' ty be Leicester. On Monday last, at her house in NM Burlington.stre ct ,' Mrs': Loten i widow of john Gideon"Loten, Esq; torn uoveinor of the island of Cc; fon. The same day, lane, the w ife of George Holman sq' and youngest "id - tighter of the Hon. and Rev. krcdcri:/t :11 , 3a znilton, Un fuesday last, at Putney, in the County of Ster tt :: Mrs. Douglas Pettiword, r e lict of the la te R e v. lt• . word, D:1). in the 87th year of her age. ing orderof the House,- that no Member should al./ lode to the speech of another which had been used in a former debate. Its the course of his speed - ) he alluded to a representation made in one of the news. , papers of Mr. Whitbread having been ill received at at the dioner of the Liverymen.. Mr. WHITBREAD said, if the Hon. Member had . been present at. the Meeting, he could have given a more correct account of the_business thant hat whiCh appealed in what is.denotninated one of the Minis terial Papers. , He had a cordial reception from the Meeting, which had his grateful . thanks. He un derstood, in his absence, the Hon. and Learned Gentleman - observed, that he was made a decoy duck of the party, in being asked to that entertain. ment. He would not dispute the question of talents With the Learned Gentleman, but he did not-think so humbly of himself, that while he was represented' as a dUck i he did not consider the Learned Gentle= man a swan by comparison, but according to the classification of birds lie thought him something be tween both. Mr. Whitbread then contended - at home length that the petition ought to be received. Mr. PERCEVAL contended on , the contrary, and, remarked that the arguments' used by - the Hon. Member Were precisely the same that he used when the Middlesex Petition was presented. • Mr. W. SMITH observed, that the proceedings of Sir F. Burdett had been objeeted to, anti nor his arguments; as this Petition then simply ap- , proved of those arguments, lie did not think it should - . t be-rejeMed. _ _ Mr. YOaKE thought that ,the subject had a right to petition against all grievances; but at the same time the House was justified in rejeEting those which were disrespectful. He did not hesitate to, vote for the rejection of this, inasmuch as it con tained an evPerice of a system gone abroad to de.. grade and undervalue the House, by presenting in sul:s in the . form of p;:titions. The petition did not :state t hat-the representation- was rendered nomi nal by the Constitution, but by the proceedings Of the House; this allegation lie de9med to be extreme ,ly cli4respeotfut. The publication, iiself, of Sir F. Burdett, subjected him to be committed to the Tower. It had been said, that he .conccived the Court of King's Bench to be a proper tribunal for the question ; this he denied. What he said was, that taking into consideration the delusion of the 'people with respett.to the privileges of the House, he thought it to be a propitious circumstance that an opportunity should offer of übiainiiig the opini on of -a Court of. Justice on, tk,.. l subjc.c. The law of Parliament was part of the Law' of the Land— heConceived the House to be -the best judge of its ,own privileges. In all cases 'of trespas , , the Judge must look into the Record, and then, -as in this, _decide whether it does, or does not, fall within the priiileges of Parliament ; on this, principle he would have given his assent to the Speaker's pleading to -the aCtion. In this sense, only, he deemed the, Court of king's Bench to be a proper tribunal for the queStion. - ' Mr. W.WytegE decidedly differed ft - mil the Right Honh Gentleman-in his opinion of the law of the land and of ParFament. He held that' while. the Court of King's Bench and House of Lords could not shake, they could not confirin the pi ivileges cif Parliament—nothing but an act of , the whole Le zislature could affect either of them. With respe& to the Petition, he thought it contained many int -proper expressions, ---lie therefore would certainly vote against its reception. . Mr. WHITBREAD explained. The House then divided, when there appeared-- For the Petition Against it ajority " The Petition was of course reieEted. -47 PRIZES AND CAPTURE OF VESSELS. Lord COCHttANE, previous' to his bringing forWaed the motiOrt of which he . gave notice, moved that there should be laid before the House accounts of the net, proceeds el Danish ships brought into port before the commencement of hostilities with-Den mark, and of ' the net proceeds of Dutch vessels taken before Nov. 5, I 796.—Ordered. The Noble Lord then .addressed the .House on the subject and neture - of his motion ; he , was aware that it would be opposed by the Right Hon : Gee denten oppOsite, and by the Heads of the - Admiralty He eetertd into a variety of seitementse illustrative of the present situation of British and Foreign Trade. In the course -of the three last years our home trade was decreased, as the numbers 51 to 171 or one twentieth,. and a little more annually, and this e hot withstanding thecommunicet ion- with Spain being opened: The mariners of the Continent had increased in thesame period from 23.t0 29,000. In . the British trade the , tonnage has fallen as 37 to 25, or one third. The foreign trade has increased-from 4 i 7,euo to 560,000 tons. Our imports and • ports are equal to. the inward foreign tonnage alone. All these evils did not result from the net chinations, of Buouaparte, but from our own bad colleens. He was of opinion, that if half of the force of the Kingdom was properly employed, the sear would be concluded in twelve months. He thought that no Minister should rescind the reve nue-arising \ to . the Crown from war, hut if the .Droits of the Admiralty and of the Crown wele con tinued they ought, to,be applied to the purposes of - l the State and not-of corruption. He adverted to the Bill now in the Hocse for securing to the Chan cello►• of the Exchequer and his brother. the office-of Registrar of the Admiralty ; he was far, however, trout attributing any improper motive to this.. He did not deem it either. very satisfactory or useful, that of the one thousand vessels now floating on the ocean, the Admiralty should be ac quainted with the situation of each ; a stimulus was unnecessary to call forth ,the spirit' of the Navy, Out he thought that prizes should be _justly and honestly appropriated,; if this system was once establtslAid, the commerce of .the coast of France; would soon. cease. Having stated these prelimina ries, he now should en:er into a detailed proof of transactions, similar to which had been seldom - t brought before the'House. He first read the order of reprisals, authorizing the capture of the slips of the enemy, and subjecting those who. neglected so to do to costs in damages in the.Couri of Admiralty. He wished the House to be acquainted with. the na ture of the office of tee King's Proetor, it any cause of complaint exists against him, it is wily b►. him that coritplaint cab be Made to the Judge. The i'i r oble Lord then read a nualber of ACts for encouraging the duty .and exertion of the_ Navy,- and pro&eded to statethe opinion of the Judges in the titneol Queen Aone, on 'the subjeer of prizes, which was that all vessels taken in her Majesty's name should be law fully shared, arid the captors .have a libel ty Of going into Courr, and to be alloWed their own Counsel. Atter this a person of the name of Stanitorth, a proctor, made use of his interest to obtain an Order of Coupcil, to employ him„ one 'individual, for the management of all the captors claims, thus uniting in , one the interests of the King and of his cli ents, and, aCiing for both in a, double capacity, which was contrary to the law. Tne Courts, of Law admit captors, entitle them to insurance, and making them liable to costs and damages. With. respect to the discharge of the duty of King's Proc tor as it now stands, whatever might be the exer tion of an individual, it was impossible to transact the business in a proper way. It appeared from do cuments in his possession, that on the 3d of June, 806, the Prodor had 16 causes on his hands, on the '3oth 23 ; and on the ig t h N o v em b e r, 5 . 9 ; in this case, no one could confide their interests with safety in such a person. He never in his lite sent into the Court of Admiralty a neutral ves sel ; there were many instances of its being dune, but it was on a s bad, speculation. He then en tered largely into the case of W. Moyer, Whom .he stated to tie _a British subjea, and a naturalized Dane, he had an affidavit of Staniforth's, declaring this man to be a faithful and loyal bubjett,, yet at the same tithe he could adducb documents to . prove that this Moyer had received the thanks of the French Commissary of Marine for his services in the last war—this was the faithful subject. - He rei,eated, that he "Poss.-ssed &contents to proie Moyer 'a trai= tor, still he was reported as an object worthy of re-, muneration. The Droits of the Admiralty amounted to eleven millions Sterling, a sum which he thought to be mischievous in the hands of the Crown, this. was not so even in.. Spain. He concluded,. by mov 7 • ing the following Resolutions . ;-Ist, Resolved, That the officers and seamen of the . Navi , are in= titled to the support and encouragement' of - this House: -2u, That it appears from an Orde, of CQUII- Cil, in the reign of Queen Ann,lBos, that the captors of ships lied leAye . to gy into Court, and were altoW- ed their own Coons 1.-30, It appears that this was Superseded March 'eo, • 1779,.'and that the King's Proctor was intrustol with the management of all, That it isessetitially requisite for the interests of the Nay that the captors shotild come into Court, iind to employ such Advocotes as they should - think Proper.—.sth, Th4t leave should be given to bring in a Bill fur regulating ,the proceeding of the Court of Admiralty. On the first Reaolution being put, Sir JOillsi NICHOLS' expressed hi, regret that these Papers had been laid before the Huuse, 'though, the charges haling bzen brought, he had thought i: his 'duty to acquiesce in their production, that there might be. some doeurnents to justify their cooduCt. He contended that the sum ado wed to .Mr. Moir was perfectly just,fiable, as no condeMnation could have taken tiace without 'the necessary itiformatiun he 'gave. The Learned Member here went into ;a detail of the transaetiun, and real large extracts .floin the Correspondence between Mr. Moir and our Government ; the conclusion of which was, that the cargoes could not have been proved to be French property without , the assistance of Mr. Moir, and could not there-tote. haye been condemned. The cargoes consisted at masts, and other naval stores, purporting- to, be neutral, proverty, and n ere intended to .assist.in the equipment of the flotilla, destined at that titre to act against this country. It was, iherelore, Of 'the utmost consequence to" the .country- interrte't these cargoes, though the means of proVing thent—not neutral property depended wholly on ~ M oir'S information. The eapters e he contended, could not complain, as no condemnation would otherwise have•taken place; and instead of 70 or 80,0001. at the rate of 701. per cent. they could have received. nothing. Instead of gaining, had ,it not been for the King's Proctor acting in this way, the captors might have been brotight in for damages: By the ihfortieation eflorded, the captors • were enabled' to act without risk. Mr. STEVEN regretted the exposure also that there Tad . been ot the transactions reterr(Al to.. ou account of the person implicated, who migiit himselt, or fathily, if ever iu the power ot the entniy, feel from it the greatest inconvenience. The imporiance of intercepting naval: stores was evident, and he had never heard, nor had the Nonle Lord stated, Ali:it any of the: captors were clissattsfied. He vindicated the character and conduct ut Learned and Right Hon. Friend, who tubteati of pursuing eagerly the the emoluments of office, had instead of t 5,0001. a-. year, accepted of an office of not more than 2,5001. a-year. With respect. IQ the tio , t.anc.l„second reso. lotions, he wished to move the prefii; que.stion.— The third and fourth he would directly negative; and with respect to any Bid, he cOtitellued that such a'rneasure was • useless. As the papers,' howev.r, had been laid on the table, and had satistie.i, he trusted, every Member that the complaints, were un founded, he should move, thatit be tfieopinion of the House that the conduct and pioceedih s s of his . Maje,ty's Law Officers belonging to the cUurt of Adntiraity, in the instances alludecOo, were si..eh as . deserved. the approbation of the Hou,se. . .„ . Lord COCHRANE relined at great length, aud'point,. ed out a variety of instances in ..ihich the w hole emoluments of the capture wire engrosNed ; by tne Prdcfor.,and Agents, leaving twiliihg to: be oistri7' bated among the caplors. This, be ,complaitied; was particularly the case with res i .ea.to the enemy's privateers, which was one reason that. tl:ey were suffered to remain so numerous, any, Oilker b, Mg - likely. to be, a loser by attempting ,to s cdlii ui e them. He complaittecl also of the Pro,aor's partner being permitted w act in behalf of .the per,Lons whose sels were seized, witilelne Proctor himself under.. took the cause of did captor, haying thus untanly the evidence on both siu,s before thOn. With rt spLet . to Moit's r iniUrtnatiun, 'he asked the Learned' JUdge if he had twined his deierwination tiom that' oi, tt he had not rather given hits de.! cision Without khowing an thing ut the corresp.,n deuce .? If su, widch the . Learii,d Ju,,ge cou,d not deny, it wa, unfair that the captors • should be wade losers of 30 per cent. for hitothralion which was t cry .01 4 ~j