The Sun. — London, England, 1836-03-01 00:00:00

/,, .9, _~ f - f e i) SPORTING INTELLTGENC'g. / , A ( . Z 41t ) l eit, , V.O \ ; 1-7-14 e , loff (21 ' .F • •n. / ct' N , t „ p b it , , ' t, " -<;,. 3, 4 si ' ; fi " \VC.4O„.„ ry g iR • • • ) A 4.1 tfT , 1 4. 74 d. ,44•017 . 46 .' 111111. ° !"P• '"V, . A ' + TATTERSALL' S. • THE PORTLAND HANDICAP, P. P. 2 to 1 agst Mr. Bowes's Mundig--offered 5 to 1 agst Mr. Mostvn's Birdlime—offered 6 to 1 agst M. Et , ,Ql's Revenge—offered 7 to 1 agst Mr. Sowerby's Rioter—offered 7 to 1 agst Mr. Greville's Dacre—offered 8 to 1 agst Mr. Cooke's Brother to Hope—offered 12 to 1 agst Mr. S. Stanley's Tiber—offered The odds against Da cre were ta k en at one part of the afternoon antloffe re d at i s close; nothing done about the others, but offers were made in two or three quarters to take 10 to 1 about Brother to Hope. 1 2 to 1 as THE DERBY. gt Mr. E. Peel's Te Mmmy—taken 12 to 1 agst I,d Jersey's 13r0. h to Nell Gwynne—taken 14 to 1 agst Mr. Bowes's Brother to Maria—offered 15 to 1 agst Lord Exeter's Muezzin, Bro. to Beiram—offered 16 to 1 agst Lord Jersey's Brother to Riddlesworth—offered 20 to 1 agst Mr. Ridsdale's Bro. to Bamfylde—offered 33 to 1 apt Colonel Peel's Slane—taken LO to 1 Lord Chesterfield's Alfred—offered :2,000 to 60 and afterwards 3,125 to 125 (taken) about Mr. Thornhill's Mendizabal, and 7,000 to 175 about Mr. Fox's Tipple Cider. The odds about the two principal favourites were taken rather fr eely, anti at the close we did not hear any offers above 11 to 1. No disposition Nras evinced to back either Brother to Maria Muez -2111, or Brother to Itiddlesworth, nor was the betting on the whole at all remarkable for its spirit. ' OAKS. 6 to 1 agst Mr. Greviae's Marmalade—taken 7 to 1 agst Lord Wilton's Grenada ( Bequest tilly)—taken 8 to 1 agst Mr. Allen's Promise—take 9 to 1. SECON;) 1-119-trr(l,t -4S,"=. SUN OFFICE, Seven o' Clock. TH-E LONDON GAZETTE THIS EVENING. , DECLARATIONS OF INSOLVENCY. ILLI kAI WILLIAMS, linen-factor, Bow Church-yard, Lon -I,)ri • • PONIAS IIILI„ linen. factor, Bow Chuach-yard, London. BENJAMIN BOLWELL, carrier, Bradford, Wiltshire. JOT BANKRUPTS. ~: r ANDREW J , iMESO rope-maker, Bermondsey, rev.a I N , PLNRy BUDD, tobacconist, Skinner-street, Snow-hill, Lon 4,4:VES COCHRANE, bookseller, Waterloo. place, Middlesex. MOTTERSHEAD, shipwright, Liverpool. ~l E NR RIGMAIDEN, wine-merchant, Liverpool. OIIN 13.PIDDON, -corn-merchant, Liverpool. ;I'ILLIAM WARD, publican, •Masbrough, Yorkshire. .. 1 1MARD DAVIES, victualler,• Salford, Lancashire. i t o _ IO IUEL .the younger, butcher, Broadhemp :ll, Devonshire. THO MAS WALSH', linen-draper, Bath. T , I ' O MAS FLOYD, victualler, Birmingham. C a a A :DREW PLANK.. and JOHN PLANK, wool-staplers, t . I N erbu t E NJAIUN SPALDING, linen-draper, Woodbridge, Suffolk. 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Liibon 1.'3% [Oporto 50,i ',74i0 Janeiro 37 IRO ia 26 Buen.7c Ayres Duain, 21 days' sight _l!.., Cork - 134 PRICE OF :BULLION, PER OZ Portugal Gold, coin £0 0 0 Foreign Gold, in bars 3 17 9 New Doubloons .„..„ 0 0 0 New Dollars , g 0 4 12% Silver. bals. standard 0 5 0 ERIAL PARLIAMENT, (THIS EVENING.) ' ' l , , HOUSE - OF LORDS. LORD CHANCELLOR took his scat cn the Woolsacka tve' o'clock." Lord TITHES. land EL LENL I OROUGH presented a petition fromthe_ table"( ad A ders of Gravosend and Dartford, praying for an eciui justment of tithes. i di the :sal, 13 8 O i A RP T ,I I T C G A H L p C re O se U nte ß d T p S et ß it s i l o t t . ns L E fit'llefiseirtdorsEEELCELNE Hereford, Che:tenham, and Bury %%From the Deputy Registra:r and Proc . tors larthea, ar,ainst the ProbaL`n Courts Bin. ' of St.. fdr i ma s n. clause in the Ecclesiastical I;feeri.,reacii,to the Committee on the Bill. . tl n , se. .± I of W ESTMORELAND 1- to the Committee. Ae`ea.effeet from Appleby.—Referred petitions from the ' nesented apetition to •_oli c i t _'" rs 'shop of LL AND AFF presented rom 4 ,_ c e 1... of Monmouth and Glamorgan, and f the k e 1 Llandaff, Cardiff and Pontypoole, to the Bill of wh jeli were referred to the Committee on __.• .1,, .CNDAY RAILROAD TRAVELLING s th am e e in e h ff ab ec it t - , th o l i e 11.1shol) of 0L 0 i.: CE STE R resented th eir agistrat•ls, Clergy, an d Others of Cheltenham, a praying ta.oodshit.s to introduce into every Railway Bill ' clause to a . l3 a e m titiopfrom 'icit the cart3ages running on Sundays. 11, Mar . POOR LAWS. tb, Q quis of L ANSDOWNE presented a petition from workhouses 'Wil s uaT ' ll ans of the Poor and the Union of A mesbury, r aight"hr a Ying that the loan granted for building AtimiNeixtertded to 20 insteod of 10 years. JUSTICE.—BRIGHTON. Lord S Y TRAT ION OF . „,atlts of bri •,/ presented a Council xiill p, woo', pr • h the Prisoners' . ; "me b f aYlng that wen - might be inserted t TE -NIL "' rtiiion from the inhabi . - T . 't. b y e °re the House, a clause carried before magilstr.`t ' W ,h i elt prisoners Lord slat n existed in e .. 8 n'igut have the benefit of w a b s e o n licitor.. th e tow at -d that he believed great dissatisfaction existed justice was The Noble H 01,44,21 ..13,r.ighton relative to the mode in which . the no _ 7red there. The petition, which he mentioned the ea:milieus opinion of the people 'of deprived of prof ess ? ef Mary Ahn Booth, who had lately been . n Brighton, expressect He begged"al assistance by the Magistrates of Blight 4 gai nst j l e be undersnnoil as casting no reflection wh . ateyer Ti t _ , e Magistrates LI Brighton. L e,. . (1 s, utile of Atestlinn°ll.,, represent the wtition lie had presented c of Brighton, ta RICHMOND was surprised that th_e aa Noble ea- Ithen it the unanimous feeling of the o „__wia %yes only signed by three - Petviri ti" a 40,000.—(Hear lii considered the istrates Of _hen contained no char.- whatever . hundred individuals out of 1; .,. iinst the ` Magistrates ag_ ust.ces Of i:sriighton. The petitio'neeS didr,o; deny that the ..! i idance, Inicrtroghton had a right to frame rules for their own g,- caste of 144 Preserve order in their own Courts. In the if , 114 Y Ann t,_ Ristrates, she Booth, who was brought before the Brig ton . 1 tions that had en tak by and bye read the -eposi . . 7 w eald k _ was charged with . a felony, and It ac , . ea, which in his mind were condomse ed th at fiuilty of the charge brought against her, but it appea l at that she teeas'?e Attorney who had been employed for her o ‘ll4 th lll had v had manifested great opposition to the magistrates, t 0 l ave hiere's,,,.lnade an order that if the Attorney did net h im.' " In a becoming manner, they would not . alolw him 4P l'ea. ...' chat no attorney unless specially permitted should :att ort ; '‘'. an advocate for any party before them, but any ,;) otetYf„ali:Ot attend, take notes make suggestions, and , - the R . r the benefit of ( Hear, hedr, , tt : t •ldd - n r c ; t , body of the respectable people at Brigh h ton d iee•ted it 'lga the petition, and he believed those who a I, did not know 'let it was about. He knew . of no l'ie o t'ill7aleil who devoted 11044 uctua tin n' c) It Le magistrates ad t ons 1-, p:i l lat' a ' is and . h h e M ln :' tra 'es. Every body knew . t...:!,...t e_ of 4 11 e 1 a. very ( reheat d m t t y l' to erfo ' rm ParkW a sses in the hot a tl er p went down tl..oals of 1 ° o availingfor the :o Brighton , ... v._ . A great many pers themselves wea ' of the sea batt.'ing, but ilid ere '1 loose charact often brought befm'e them 1 1v0 t ." 1 . ,v kee p a and indi i closer were ? Was it not notorious there re. set:, 'tePorters from e tl three or four Newspapers alw•ay shpole ilorrie 411 d thereNre it was i evident that there was a W elem. it 50 control of the public opinion exercised over 11 •'e lr ease s it id be highly inconvenient that solicitors fthe u b e would where one o tat, •,. w jr instance, in the case so that they*';„•asitaken un 1 might give notice to the others, lhe, 7 d get keep the(*),;tlcf • - j, He had said thus much for the ''n,lieation of the o gC r t a r - a % tes of Brighton, and fornow__ . tile call of Dry Ann ll"- L B Booth.—(Hear, —( Hear, hear.) Why f t 'alue fs• C. oo • in pre erene 6 - ll' avid Scott should have been selected . an has ,eto s i. • "'.'.! otner, he could not tell ; but that gentleman It w as willing to bear all the blame.—(Hear, hear . . ) t $ / ... ,a_a tru e , thot this woman had written a letter to l f i v i a m s Neltik;rd Lieutenant of the county, on the subject, but it d ri ot i'Y true that the answer he returned was that e _ er to r em te tapt to take hny ste• s to induce the Lord Chancell , •110 11 41 „ ve biro from the Peace. He thought coming to . the to ll h - '' taost im . for if the Magistrates of h 'lrithe . ad act p proper coarse, 'Nati. eted improperly there were plenty of tribunals . in that Il eeQ Y to which they Were' amenable, without coming to I)er2e.!---( Cries 01" Hear hear, hear.") Now, as to these fl th e ps being gent to gaol ' illegally , it wag 9ukte clear ._ r t o a n t 411,ipoosiins of the prosecutor Mr. ColveY, a n eb • em u " on a iteo reh t e, that she had been guilty of a felony, - )1 , P. °S ay, %',rrant being procured, articles were found in hat s ? , I. ll ear.. ; with the name of the prosecutor upon them.---(ilt . ' t lo om t, le Magistrates, therefore, could do nothing else luau'. '44, ~pe course they had done hi his opinion a more e.. tillittit felon had never taken place. ' But he had been • told giliti.,„e Prosecutor was dissatisfied tithe proceedings of the M . a -1,4 t h:Les, sou was could not he the case for he had the declaration NI Prosecutor h:mself that the Course they had adopted I •°t perfect) satisfactory him.--4 Hear. ) Then the Noble ein. Bil'ad said that the Bill had been thrown Nhy th I la were often thrown out, and probably the reason I'ro oee a 2 course had been eviopted in this case was t;iat . the t o .„ Ut or ,nkt whiD gave very different testimony before the Grand fu ry h • 'rates h a d did did on the trial. It was said that the Magis-- pe ts "4d acted under the (ceilings of eissiniy in causing this . th e ,,% to be imprisoned. Now what was tb. sct ? Why tkrho". 4.oard actually offered to take bail ; but this won *.ad, per to' ithepurpose of the . present pctition, had been advised 44 1.164 tt• In his opinion the parties ought to hasie been f NV A , s .. v!lth the opinion of the Secretary of state, when . he tpioiZahed that none of their Lordships, whatever yolitical l'isi t , Is th e none might entertain,would considam capals.e of ad- g hi 3 .w . . 1 Ll re ~.,,,,aJesty improperly. 11 : 4 ', 461 1„„ . ' ' ~_•4 NGFO R D was sorry that the Noble Lord 4 , 5. t S e ., - ;• . ti'° l 4, Ught it necessary to have brought forward al Th e 17 lnsigpificance to the attention of clop House. 1 1 ^ •• tr i of CI -id-CUE ST ER defended the duct of tle No. 13,563. magistrates of Brighton. He believed that in no place in Eng land was the criminal business conducted with such propriety. hi practice no attorney had ever been prevented from attend ing and advocating any cause before them. The LORD CHANCELLOR felt bound to state what he knew of this transaction. A petition had been sent up to the Secretary of State, which was shown to him, and he found but one allegation in it which required explanation-- that was where it was stated that the magistrates de clared they acted as well upon other motives as from the evidence taken before them in Court. It appeared that what tho magistrate said was, that they acted not only from what happened in Court, but from what, on consulting among themselves, they found to be the case. Under these circumstances, if the magistrates bad not corn. mitted the party, they would have been guilty of cross neglect. As to excluding attorneys, they had acted strictly within the law ; and no doubt, for good reasons, had exercised a wise discretion. He merely did the magistrates justice, by stating these facts. Lord TEYNHAM explained. _ _ _ _ The Duke of RICHMOND had nude no attack on the petitioners. The Noble Duke then presented two peti tions, praying for an extension of the time for the payment of money tdvanced for building workhouses from ten to twenty years. Also a petition on the subject of agricultural diitress. PRISON DISCIPLINE. The Duke of RICHMOND begged to ask the Noble Vis count at the head of the Government when the prison in spectors would make their report, which by the Act they were required to do within a fortnight after the Ist of February. He felt most anxious on this subject, as the prisons of the metropolis and of the country were in a most diszraceful state. ,Lord MELBOURNE said the Government was anxious t% . 0. Act should be cirriA hito eit....ct. He could not say what state of forwardness the matter was at present, but his Noble Friend might depene that no unnecessary delay would take in bringing forward the Report. CHURCH COMMISSION. The ARCHBISHOP of CANTERBURY brought in a Bill relating to matters connected with the Church Commis sion, of which he was Chairman. After some petitions heinK presented in favour of the .Dis senter' Claims, The House adjourned till Thursday. . 1 HOUSE OF COMMONS. GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY. Mr. HUTT moved that the petition which he presented yesterday, complaining that the standing orders had not been complied with, in the case of the Great Northern Railway, be referred to the Committee.— Ordered. FORTH AND CLYDE NAVIGATION BILL. - - On the motion of Mr. CAMPBELL, this. Bill was read a second time. LONDON AND BRIGHTON RAILWAY. The Earl of SURREY presented two petitions (the Noble Lord did not state where they came from) against Sir J. Ren nie's line of Railroad from London to Brighton. The Noble Lord presented two other petitions against Mr. Stevenson's line.—(A laugh.) Captain PECHELL presented a petition from certain coach proprietors on the Brighton road praying for compensation in case the direct railroad to Brighton was carried into effect, or any other railroad. One of these proprietors had a capital of .8,0001. engaged in this road, and consequently felt considerably on this subject. He hoped this property would be protected as well as that of the landholders. Mr. GISBORNE brought up the Report on the Midland Counties Railway Bills. An HON. MEMBER moved that the Hull and Selby Railway Bill be referred to a Committee.—Agreed to. Lord G. SOMERSETmoved the commitment of the Glou cester Railway Bill. Mr. LOWTHER moved that the York and North Midland Railway Bill be committed. An HON. MEMBER moved the second reading of Styner's Naturalization Bill.—Read accordingly. Mr. STEWART moved the second reading of the Lon don and Blackwall Railway Bill. Mr. GROTE presented a petition against the Bill. The Bill was then read a second time. AGRICULTURAL DISTRESS. Colonel LYGON presented a petition from Worcester on the subject of agricultural distress. RAILWAY SELECT COMMITTEE REPORT. Mr. P. THOMPSON rose to move that the House do take into consideration the Report of the Select Committee on Railways. Mr. WILKS objected to the House entering into the con sideration of the report until the period alloted for the presen tation of public petitions had .expired,. na.mely, .5 o'eloek. Several Hon. Members had petitions of great importance to pre sent, and he'did not think that private business should take precedence. Besides, no injury could be occasioned by de laying the motion of the Right Hon. Gentleman for an hour, particularly as he could, from his position in the House, bring it forward at any moment he thought fit. Mr. WILKS again rose, but was obliged to sit:down from cries Of " Order." Mr. W. PATTEN thought it would be better to proceed at once with the discussions on the report, as there were so many Members present interested in the question of Railways. Mr. P. THOMPSON denied that injury could result from delaying the presentation of petitions, and hoped the House would allow him to proceed. Mr. ROBINSON said, if it could be shown that any injury would result from delaying the motion of the Right Hon. Gentleman until five o'clock, why, let it be proceeded with ; but in his opinion no such injury would be occasioned by it. He hoped he might be allowed to present a petition which he held in his hand, The SPEAKER put it to the House whether, from the great accumulation of private business, it would not be better to go on with the motion of the Right Hon. Gentleman. Mr. WILKS would defer to the opinion of the Speaker. Mr. POULETT THOMPSON.—The course which be proposed to follow was to call upon the House to agree to a series of resolutions embodying the recommendations of the Committee, of which he had the honour to be Chairman, with a view to the future conduct of railway bills through that House. He had for that purpose framed five or six resolutions—the first of which would be to the effect that the House do give instructions to whatever Committee •tic Bill might be referred, to inquire satisfactorily into the sever: points adverted to in the various petitions, as subjects on w hi c h rise House should have information, The next reso lution referred !o the diVision in Committees, and the atten dance of Members. The third resolution was with regard to giving time for the rinrainati o n of Lis t Committees, tea which the several Railway Bii:s were to be referred ; and with a view to an amicable acijustmoit between the p arties, that these Bills for the same line s;;n i a 4 g o to the same Committee. The 4th resolution would be oi2!" b i y which the House would be empowered to refuse to give for:l:ki lime to Committees for making their reports, except under qw cial circum stances, in order that no delay should take place WI bringing these Bills before the House. The last was, that the House, whenever there should be three Railway Bills before it in a state for the further consideration of the Report of tisgo Com mittee, would take the discussion on Tuesdays, prior to the notices of motions, or other private business. These resolu tions were to be found embodied in the Report drawn up by the Committee. It had been their most anxious wish to top sider as attentively as the House would permit, the best means of affording information to the House. But they had two things also to considerfirst, the best means of obtaining, either through the Committee, or the House itself, the hest in f,;rination with regard to these different Bills. The other i was .to take good care to do nothing that might be unjust to those ::?ailway Bills that had been submitted to the Hoose during the present Session, on the faith of the existing stand, in;; orders, and in obedience to which they had been prepared, they had found it impossible, whatever their private opmienti might be of the propriety of such a course, to make any alteration in the standing orders so far as regarde4 the Bills introduced during the present Session. They hgl also 1;403 their best attention to putting an end to a syStem which , the Committee had reason to believe prevailed to SOMO ex tent—that of votes being made rather of favour than of judg ment. They had also endeavored to make arrangements ' by which the House should have such information as would enable it to conic to a correct judgment on the comparative merits of different lines, and, at the same time, afford ample time for discussion. There was another point which attracted considerable attention, and had been favourably received when the subject had come under discussion before in that House— be meant the propriety of sending Bills for similar lines to the same Committee.—(ljear, hear.) They had been anxious it t o a in d t o o pt otpheartatpiolann,,tbhuut had w tien fo t u h o ei i ll had would attempted impossibletoca torry do so with justice to the different 8i1,!,5, as the time in which they wctalcl .. take their different stages In filet nonio would probably be ditfefer i o mid one of them, after 11. , :in.; taw read a second time, asa,,tl4 not with propriety, or justice, be referred back to the List Gomittee before which the osier pills were then pending.—(tfeaT, hear.) Qoe Bill might have ,pc;sed the second reading while another i9 t e might only have passed the st,r4 F.eading, and might be thrown out on ;Ile seeprid reading. Woula 1,11 kir or just then , that each should hay,e;faa same power of nomination j Tl;e Corn s.::,•? that the parties might p‘. 4 ,1 tor "AZlways to Lon- ' mitteethooght it ,was ,tAie bpst to refer all Bills to ale' List were the three agreeto Committees, refer don arid Brighton, to one CornyPittee , =.o - Year heal%) '1; th 7 Peihal eY duke time might be afforded after tiu5 . 04 .1 0 . ,.. e 4 n _ , t i' g s the first' , Bill to sr;, pp the other, so that all the parties - eijkht stand on equal grouee4, The Committee had not gone 'int.; :tho question of what conaiaionhs,bould be imposed upon Railway / ompanies—they thought tilt: Wozz ::as the proper place for tat session to be decided. He wouletiitri skcio, move the , first iiesolntioi? Las above). Some objection gig 't to . 115 .44 to the resolution, but ba p could assure the House there was in that Committee'the'niost ftrdent f 41;1 /0 !meet all the diffi cu l t i es ,of tit° yery difficult case referred fo itll, off' and 111 fri4ind most carefully te,a4 gho details, which were r ti.io vast importance. ' S.ir H. VERNE;y we* phe n ext speaker, brit lie spoke so Bow e ; and the HOnse was so noisy, thatle was very imperf ec tl y heard in tim Davy . , We underAtN, b,i,IP PMI ,that he wa. LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING. MARCH 1, 1836. as much interested in the success of Railways as any Hon. Member in that House; but he considered those now before the House had too much of a local character, and not enough of a national one, and he was afraid if the House sanc tioned the Bills now before the House, they would find that public interests would give way to private revenge.—( Hear, ,hear.) He wished to see scme body appointed by the supreme authority in the State, -so that there might be some security to the public. During the war this cou n t r y possessed great advantages over other countries by being the great carriers of the world, and being mistress of the seas ; but now those countries were coming rapidly into competition with us. Railways, therefore, he thought would do much good for the country in this way; but he wished to have t h e Bills all well considered under the sanction of the Govern ment before the House gave their sanction to any of. them. He hoped the House would address his Majesty for the ap pointment of a Commission of military men and enghleers to decide upon all plans presented to them. He felt it ne cessary to persevere in the motion of which he had given notice. The Hon. Bart. then moved for the appointment of a Select Committee to consider the different railways for which application has been made to Parliament, with a power to call before them engineers and other competent witnesses with re ference to the lines which had been selected. Sir JOHN WROTTESLEY seconded the motion. . • Colonel SIBTHORP had heard, with some satisfaction, what had fallen from the 1i0n.,. Baronet opposite, and he con sidered he should not hems a public duty, if he Aid nut support his motion. He admitted, with the lion. Baronet opposite, that many of these undertakings had emanated from local interests, without any regard to national ones. He had no hesitation in saying, that upon grounds of public duty,. in preference to private interest, he had taken every means of opposing these undertakings from beginning to end. He wished to put the public up an their guard with respect to them, for he was afraid Ministers were not inclined to give the subject due consideration. He thought time ought to be given for investigating the subject, for in some points the resolutions proposed by the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite were not sufficiently specific. Every opportunity ought to be given of entering into the merits or demerits of the subject, and though he might agree with many of the resolutions pro posed by the Right Hon. Gentleman, yet he was so satisfied of the good effects of further delay, that lie should vote with the Hon. Baronet opposite for the appointment of a Select Committee. He had some additional resolutions to propose, but he would postpone doing so at the suggestion of the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite till the great question was decided. He was much afraid if these undertakings went on, that many who had embarked in them would find they had lest their all. Many persons had realised large fortunes—ten, twenty, and even eighty thousand pounds by these rail-road speculations.— (Cries of " Name.") It must be evident to the House that he could not mention - names—he was only stating this to show the extent to which these speculations were carried on.—( Hear.) An Act of Parliament had been passed some time ago to suppress little goes-4A laugh)—as dangerous : he' called this a very greet go indeed.—(Great laughter.) Parties were in many instances acting upon the. promises of some attorney who wanted to make money, or some engineer, which was not uncommon. He knew, to his own cost, how such practices were carried on. He had employed an engineer, or architect, to build a bridge, who promised to perform it within a certain time ; but he found it too much his interest to prolongs:that period, like the hair cutter of London who, when he was told .to cut a customer's hair short, replied, " Oh, no,' Sir, I know my business too well for that."—(A hingh.) He would support the amend ment for the appointment of a Select Committee. Sir G. STRICKLAND felt that this subject was daily becoming one of national importance. ,When he considered . that upwards .laf :28,000,00U of money was embarked in it, when he considered' the great private interests at stake, and the very great sacrifices that indivduals were called upon to make, be thought that this subject had become a matter not of private, but of national and public import ance.—( Hear.) He therefore thought that the Government was right in stepping forwards and interfering with the progress of these Bills, and if possible to introduce a plan by which rail roads should be more attentively considered. Ile had been placed on that Committee which had been appointed, and he must say that he entered it with great. expectation of being able to come to some resolutjon similar to that proposed by his Noble Friend who had moved this amendment—some resolution of more importance, and making greater changes in the proceedings of the House respecting railroads, than, upon mature deliberation they bad found possibleZElO thought that 'they might appoint such a Committee as that proposed, which should ride over all the other ComMittees, and consult the Governmnt Engineers, as persons well calculated to consider how far these railroads could be adopted. The : comnitte,e, had maturely. .considered p:)int,,,itt a_ he inuA say with great regret that they found that they could not adopt any such plan.—( Hear, hear, hear.) They had examined some of the most intelligent of the G3vernment engineers, and they said that it would be impossible to give any useful information, unless they hail time and opportunity' to make inquiry, and their expenses must be some how pro videc for them, as they were provided for local inquiries. He, therefore, was of opinion, that whoa his Hon. Friend ( Sir H. Verney) more maturely considered his proposal, he would see the same difficulties in the way of its adoption which the Com mittee saw, and would come to the determination that nothiug could be done, by sending them to a Committee at this period of the Session. Lord G. LENNOX would be happy to attend to any sug gestion of the Committee, but the parties to the Bill of which he had the conducting were placed in the situation of being obliged if they adopted the recommendation to wait for the Committee on the Bill till the Monday before East er . He understood that several of the lines between London and. Brighton, for which petitions were presented, were not in tended to be proceeded with this Session. He regre ttedeligible t b h l a e t the Committee bad not recommended that no Member having a share, or being a director of the railway, should b to serve on the Committee of the Bill. Mrr POTTER thought the Committee omitted one thing, namely, a jury clause. He hoped this defect would be reme. died, and that jurie swould be summoned who were compe tent to decide upon the value of the property affected by the Bill. Mr. HUME believed several of the recommendations of the Committee would be excellent if there was a proper tribunal before whom enquiry should be made. There could be no doubt that the public business in private Committees was not properly proceeded with, both as regarded the protection of individuals against rash schemes, and proprietors themselves from embark ' bad speculations. He thought the question siulfoul capitaldbein viewed so as to render the conveyance for the public safe and expeditious, and he did suppose the.profits of the pro prietors, whether they should be large or small, was not for the consideration of the Committee. In callin g u p o n the Hoese toenquire, easewas generally referred to a t r ib una l con _ silting than twelve of the Members ; and if to t h em ig of not the less were added those through whose counties the railways were • intended t o pass in some instances, the Committees would eon., silt of 2,3, or 4 Members. These Members, as at present, were in the habit of coming 4.4(1 ping out, and could not, be wopjd contend, give a good decision when veiled um to make up their report, as they bad not heard the nature of the evis ( k nee . It was said the House wasblltiviat.yswaesal%lyeedlloknntonwciriectibiact a o s th a erdsio s eietY: The mariner of e o n s House, Cotilm tt and te° w h o a u dy pti all on c i not iut: Enquiredl4l s t w ir4neytcsoe takeneof o f fra t t e sr a r no :p fre n atde r h t ete i tetaoatsteth.he e in When they saw the m illi ons obdfeacttoi capitalinegr 4businesstai a t g anyo t l e embarked i n t h ose un d ertakings, when they /saw the specu lat i o n s t hat were d aily set on foot, be • thought it right to ask that a proper tribunal should be establisispcl to Inquire into all the cireumstances of the ea s e , He was told that shay goeld not force the Committee to attend without a general Act. Now he for pee denied this doetrine, He reahtteipp.6 that the House had full power to enforce the attendance qf !lembers. He proposed that a a Cumpittee of 1t or 29 : F e shoilld say 15 should be tips pointed; st 4 flityer than 12 to he preseet during thp sittings qf the Committee; end it Opt number did not attend, the Qom. : mll.tee should suspend its proceedintss, aqd report the names of the absent Members to the House, who ahquld he called account 'for: their redie-t of glut ( hear ) Let to , „ — Hear, : •• • the CoMmittee be drawn, by belle —pay the first twenty-, one names, unless there sheidd he any objeptioe to their ails peipttnent on the grossed pf their being directors or interested op Railway Companies. He thought this a subject of great national importattrie, and of public justice . ; and he, for one, would never agree to the reseletiens, sinless Isis pulses:tie:a . . was *coded to. Lord STAI'LEY believed the principle upon whiph the Housel agreed to the appointment of the Select Committee was, to use tlia words of the Hon. Member for Middlesex, that they might tieWp the eluestico day after day in that House, without arriving at any satisfactory uonelusion, lie therefore ex tremely regretted to find that the lion. Member for Middle tee only favoured the Committee with his attendance for about two 144.1 for the first day of their meeting, when he submitted to them the poeppsitien which he Wiest mach) to the House. The Ilonourable Gentleman afterwards 1- , yoored them with his presence. In the present in stance the Conmittee judged wisely in not adopting a n y such a systemaiiiiatrec+nn.eiA.:d lion. Member for Middlesex din:ing'ile present Session, :is it"would cieFi&y too Tri7pkt time in the di sc ussion ; bUt order to nrPy intoyeffect as far as fr tava,s this principle of the HOn. Gentle man's proposition al". aelreeOlni4Of t4yt FAlRllTtrain ts , " , • ' • na , tries should be put upoh the Conduct of Comm4tees ; that qie cif v r , " as attended . should be' reported to the House, and also i tlic name* bi ;.4ose wlio voted on every_ diVision. The ' flees° Were lo reMember there svpre fiftv,seyeri Railways before the H ouse . Confl any eine'iiindre Com mittee consider and specifically report upon therh' eirOs pro 'osed by p his Hoh; Friend,. Sir H. 'Veriiey: Thitiroposition m n 1; wiii; o l n r thh l facC o f it-LI-lenc.) 1 1:fy 'the course r ecoin.: mended ;1g the OeM m i t i ec t 4.% r Lenno x) would not be . pi . ecTiA e d intb' Qt.Gtliiitecc Ohcl exit.; mining witnesses in S upp ed of 'tie Hub lie supported-he llo lieved t c :Le7PraTl:s. Ho• niigiit do ib;'arid rrioke their deport to the klo , use. tb ' e reseiigio iv a?, tliat t the by agreting to it, .bdth'id . Ocirlivel;;Q:i et e6itdilr 'Sue ro rrt witn . th?'?4 .. li44 );.if9torispi, fq . l4'l 16 g ' ; • obvious, taco lines might leave calculaLed upon the same traffic. Now, there might be enough of traffic to render one railway profitable, but if the House were to sanction two, then the result would be the ruin of both, without any benefit to the public; on those grounds it was rational for the House to say hat it would not sanction any one plan until all the others acre before them. He could not think that the plan proposed bithe Hon. Member for Middlesex was one which was at all practicable ; there were 57 Railway Bills, and if all of them were sent to a Committee, .appointed by ballot, the House would see what a, loss of time .these would be each would take from an hour or an hour and a half. There was one, more:consideration—each Committee would consist of 15'; there Seem 57 railways before the House. According to his arith metic that would make 885 Members out of 658. --(Laughter.) It was admitted that the resolutions would effect a grott im provement on the present system, and it would be for the House to consider whether, when a means of doing substantial jilitice was proposed, it should not be taken advantage of. '['he plan proposed was not to he a permanent one, but to remedy evils very generally complained of and acknowledged. The door was thus opened, and .t would be the duty of the House to make such further improvement; hereafter as it would think fit. He gave his cordial support to the resolution's ,of his Right Hon. Friend, and he trusted his Hon. Friend the • Member for Buckingham would see the expediency of with drawing his amendment. Mr. HUME explained. It was quite true that he had only attended the sittings of the Committee one day, but he be lieved fin ce or four of its members had agreed with hint in the prOpriety of the course he had suggested. lie thought the House would agree with him that - every thing. depended upon the tribunal ; and that was the best means to render it tm- partial. G. F. YOUNG thought-the House was deeply indebted .o the Committee for the suggestions it had made, at the same time he thought that, even at the expense of a little inconveni ence to the parties, it was most important, when not less than 57 Bills were brought before the House, some arrangement should be made to protect the interests of the public. It consequently more important that that should be done during , the present Session than the next. He contended that the Publication of the names of the Members would not ensure - .' their attendance at these Committees, and he therefore thought.. that proposition would fail in its object. He would further; suggest that the reports of the Committees should be printed. with the votes of the House in order to ensure their publicity, and that the time between the several stages of the Bill should be lengthened. Mr. D. W. HAIIVF,Y thought that the resolution pro posed would advance the object which the House had in view. He would recommend that the plans, estimates, &c., o s all railroads should, in the first instance, be submitted to some office —say, the Home Office—on a given day of the year, that the promoters of such plans should be called. upon to deposit a considerable sum of money, say 1,0001., wherewith to pity some disinterested party to go over the line of road, look at the maps and a plans, and make a report •as to its feasibility.—( Hear, hear.) By these means Government would be enabled to state to the House their sentiments upon the proposed plan. He had no doubt that these sentiments would be productive of very great advantage. It would lead to this conclusion that no Bill would receive the sanction of the House this session, which did not recommend itself so palpably as at once to dis miss all their objections.—( Hear, hear.) He complained of the insinuations thrown out by the Noble Lord (G. Lennox) tr .otuhitei against those rnaoitiro preventa Hmb him e e Members ofr was smhimselfuiCommitteesngsa duty who shareholder, honestly h ib du t shares abtoh la.eit board. He could say this, that during all the time that he had the honour of a seat in that House, he had never given a vote as a member of a Committee, unless be had attended it from end to end. With respect to the lass of time, they ought to come to some resolution not to hear Counsel. The greater part of the time of Committees was consumed in lis tening to the contests of these Learned Gentlemen. After a few words from Lord G. LENNOX and Mr. GISBORNE,' Sir R. PEEL said that the discussion involved matters in which the public took a very deep interest. Respecting the propriety of excluding Members who had a direct interest front serving on Committees prima facie. The reason in favour of it appeared very strong. But it was clear that the principle involved in the suggestion ought to be applied more extensively. The security was a false security, which deceived the public. The man whose interest was notorious, who had a considerable stake. at hazard, was, in his opinion, the least liable to suspicion ; and - if they were to permit the man through whose hands, the Railway was to run, or who had some object or interest in opposing the Bill, to set on a Com mittee, while they excluded the man who 1. ad interest in it, they would be acting in opposition to their own principle, Ile maintained they could not exclude private interests, and it would be better to leave it to the honour of individual maintains as to whether they should attend or not. It was quite clear that the resolution could not be carried into effect during the present Session. There were other private Bills, beside Railways. He. believed the number of private Bills amounted to 250. Committees sitting on those Bills would 'require a House of 3,000 Members. 'lt would not be satisfactory to select 15 by ballot, who might be ignorant of lo local matters, and it could not be adopted, unless accompanied by the principle of challenge. The House could not compel attendance on Committees without some special law. It would he impossible to unsure a full attendance of 31e1-4., i er* flap Oommittec to close, 4 14 44 he the power qf any three vi Le were Qppow a the tq put th e puties to great ineonveGion" ro,..oso by protracting their Prqceeding.—(Hear.) at ab s tl e i r e tc s e e b C f om th in ,re i e t . te l‘ era emb t if, w according g4 ii,xli t ) q o would t) submittednlunfairnst to t a h n e d r i n o j 4 u: o t towards those the system p r -- • - regulations and for these reasons he the resolution of the Hon, t f , o t d onf f i e ltl e si l leW it liel4G h ill i 4 : ll 3 l4g q d tY to DROP MenlbOr fur Middlesex, L o rd SANDON suggested the expediency of having the e rw i : wers called before the Committee, and to ascertain from them the expediency and practicability of the several lines. fire e attho propriety The CHANCELLOR , of the EXCHEQUER observed principles upon which these railways were esta blishedand he would suggest of')ne o aclau f se m b o e n i o n poy g l ii:troduceci for the purpose of compelling these companies to carry the Post Office ograntuni catioins, either at a fixed moderate charge, or at the rate at w at present pqrfipcl other modes of convey 4itieh theye. _tie l re a v r e ,hearo This would be in some measure a protection of the public interests in that particular Mr. WARBURTON suggested the ',lest course would be cult the Chairman should examine every person before the Committee, as to their Interest or non-interest in the passing of the Bill. After a few observations from Lord S. SobIERSET and Gila H. VanMER, The SPEAKER proceeded to read the wsoloigns, which were being discussed when w 100, , SITTING' ; 11 4 . 4 r. 110 USE OF COMMONS, Fimito.44r 29. BRIDLINGTON AND SCARBOROUGH HARBOUR BILL, The Bridlington And Scurhorough Harbour Bill was road 4 second time. An HON, MEMBER presented a petition from the merchants and other inhabitants of Gloucester, in favour of the Glouces ter and Birmingham Railway Bill. '• • THE DUNDEE AND ARBROATH RAILWAY. This Bill was then road a second time. Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET put off until to-mor row, the presentation of a petition against (as we understood) the Doncaster Railway. NORTH MIDLANI=I RAILWAY. Mr, Imo; ft:g presented a petition in favour of the North ,lidland Railway Bill, ()a the motion of Sir JOHN BECKETT, the Bill was read a second time, , R14T014 AND EXETER RAILWAY. I‘'lrl TOOKE presented petitions from Pendaves, in favour of the iiris.tol and Exeter Railway Bill. petltionl wqopregtmted in favour of the Bill from the inha 4ltaats of Bridgwater, Sidmouth, Weston-super-Mare, Bristol. Bradnineli, Falmouth, Taunton, Exeter, Crediton, Dartmouth. Cullompton, Penzance, Plymouth, Devortport, and Stonehouse. _To he on the table, A PVtiti9ll Ii'VVII) presented against the Bill from Sir S. H. Nertbcote and J, H, IVlerivale.—T o lie on the table. MIDDLESEX HOSPITAL. Oa the motiQn of Mr. TOOKE the Middlesex Hospital incorporation Bill was 'read a second time. M't W. PEEL presented petitions from Tamworth in 1 14 043 v d ° 1 11 411 t s : Q t; i4sl t , bc favourti fi iArm3li of gA thela mp StoneaGilLd GLOUCESTER tir e i r dc b 2 y Ee JunctionsjuTnEc Junction oaR R BA a i ll i l l i ir l a l y , A Bill l ; Sir EA RI) LE Y WILMOT presented petitions in favour of the Birmingham and Gloucester Railway Bill. Mr. STUART (as we understood) presented petitious to the same effeet. I j ord nr; A M Inoved the second readitig • [;cottons in favour of the Bill were presented by Lord G. .finKfa.i, Mr. "HOPE, and another Member, who twar A kn, A wU (- 1 ('-' r011i V rtn ii-i iil l' ib E a C/ nd A R L trCs r ie . r Railway Bill. In the Gallery ••' ior4t.:,:: ItE'lz 15', EL i ( '; p 7,s ente4 a petition praying that car rj!qes r.figiii 1)6 allowed to run upon the railway. The peti tion bad /its warmest iupport.—(Canghter.), Tifq Ain '%) , 4 iltell read at second tii;•te, 4nd tyAer j ed to, hp Fi rnitte ~ • .., •,, ~ , 1 ELTNHANI AND GREAT WESTERN RAII-4- w:Ay. ri - dirn• of oi. ! 1 11. E. SqNlEßSWr'diove4 015 44 3 9%- , I, C•a' ' 7 • Ihi int ,) , i; ' -, 4 r .• - M. ST WART kajd kg 40. Co cgic r 4°4 'l, 7; p?siqgn . to this '[till on Ate part ol- tire. ''."l4l! Trki:tanee I ha:Tiles awl 4e;e:.11 . Giuia; gorkApa t tly; tc i d , ct: 6i •h:t mile t • - 6 . i ti• - •.:., -. 4 „ c ,d ti:o eonal n ~",),-.11 ,1 'it'ly 1.• k , VI.: i i 1 i7''' i c§4 V 5 %tit* woo a e" — . VA t t / @9i, pith pr... , 1 - .ass than at which the House suspicion, for the line selected was PRICE 7D. not be kept up. He had seen 150 ships laying at Flamborough head in distress, many of which had afterwards put intoßurling ton. ' Had thay not had that harbour, they must have been stranded. It bad been said that the tolls in many instances had been spent in making splendid promenades at fashionable water ing places-- Mr. YOUNG did not *elle that observation wilt refere... Q to the present Bill, Sir G. STRICKL AND continued —The tolls. upon this harbour were very small, and if taken away altogether it would be impossible •to keep up the harbour at all. Several storms had taken place which bad nearly swept away the old pier. Mr. HUME trusted if the harbour required more Ttioney to keep it itt repair than its tolls proaPPO, N§ Majesty's Mi nisters WOUld instltnie some Special inquiry on the sullject, He would join the fun. Member. in institutin g 4 inquiry, in order that the mnIW thigh t be prAppily §141.• Sir Itt , W. RIDLE Y said that the object of the Bill would be desirable, but as no doubt there %Va t— be opposition to it, he .svottld.surest to the Hon. Member who had charge of the Bill that. it wwild he better to , postpone the further consideration of it, until some further inquiry was il --, iriluted, • Mr. BETHEL!. bad no et:;7eti.ei whatever to the pro posal of the Hon. Baronet, and would, postpone the second reading of the Bill till this' day - fortnight.—( Hear, hear,) BRIDGE OVER THE THAMES, Mr. Alderman THOMPSON presented it,• petition from certain waternien of London, praying the House not to enter, tain any Bill for building a new Suspension Bridge over the Thames between Waterloo and Westminster bridge:„ BISHOPRICK, OF DURIIA . ,::' Mr. HUME wished to ask; before..',; l 6 . orders of the day were proceeded with, whether it' was the intention of . his Majesty's Government it i(ny arrangement made for filling the v•Lnincy of the -..,:c., of Durham, that it should be subject to the same alterations, reductions, &c., as were made .in the See of Derry some time ago, in the course of the re forms which were now in progress' ; and also whether there was to be any reduction in the amount of the salary attached to the See? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in the absence of his Noble Friend, could state that it was the inten tion of Government to introduce a Bill on the subject of the See of Durham, which would comprehend not alone the ..qtiestion of future emoluments, but also the immediate separa tion of the civil functions from the episcopal office, according ~ to the recommendation of the Commissioners appointed to in .quire into the affairs of the Church. it) ICE BOUND WHALERS. ~..., a*r. HUTT begged to know whether it was the intention of e Admiralty to send any other vessels to the assistance of the 4.-bound whalers? ' Mr.' C. WARD said that Captain James Ross had been despatched to their assistance, and tlic Admiralty did not think it necessary, at prcsent i to seridany further assistance. MUNICIPAL 'REFORM (IRELAND) BILL. Mr. Stn....cant JA CE SON presented a petition (we believe) from the Corporation of Dublin against this Bill. Mr. E. TENNENT presented ft petition from BeFast against the Municipal Corporations (Ireland)-Bill z Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition signed by 30,000 inhabitants of Dublin, praying for an equal participation of privileges in Corporations with the English people. Mr. D. CALLAGHAN presented a petition from Cork, signed by 8,000 persons, in favour of the Irish Municipal Cor porations Bill. Mr. S. - CRAWFORD presented petitions from 'Dundalk and Bangor - in support of the Bill. The Hon. Member alF ; O, took occasion to observe with respect to the petition reo - paty presented from Belfast, that it was very far from, rciwentin g the opinions' of the inhabitants at large of that tPa vn ; there was another petition in 'favour of the Bill crtori Belfast, whiel l would he presented in a few •day 4- the signatures to 'which would evince what was tho popular feeling on the subject. Mr. E. TENNENT observed that 8,000 of tin) inhabitants of Belfast, out of a populatibn of 53,000, had si g ned the peti tion presented by bi t - n Mr. WISE presented - a petition froio Waterford in favour of the Bill. Mr. RUTHVEN presented a petition (supposed to be) from Dublin, in favour of the Bill. Mr. J. O'CONNELL presented a petition from another place (name unheard in the gallery) in favour of the Bill. IRISH LAY ASSOCIATIONS. - Mr. Sergeant JACE - SON begged of the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin to postpone to a further day, say the 28th March, his notice on the subject of the Lay Assoeiation of Ireland, as it would be impossible for him to attend in hisplace at the time now fixed for the moticm, Mr. O'CONNELL' 5:3'0 could not refuse to accede .at once to the regticst - o Hon. and Learned Member, though he was foIIV aware of the cl.angelou s Rro;;T.. ~ - ,nistlie.QlT4 l arhave ' to meet on that occasion, MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS (IRELAND) BILL. The Order of the Day for the second reading of this Bill being read, O'LOGHLEN rose and said, as it had been agreed by the House that he should, on the second reading o: the Bill for reforming the Municipal Corporations of Ireland, have an opportunity of making his statement with respect to the nee cessity for passing this Bill, as well as to press upon tho House his reasons for calling on them to pass it, and also to enter into the general details of tho me a sure , h e s h ou ld at once pro. seed to do so. The House was awatse that the Report of the Commiseieners appointed tst require into 'the state at" the i"yntcipa.l Cerporetione of Ireland had been lying on their telale foe some tame. He should Nice that opportunity of briefly recalling the substance of that, Report to mind by read ing such parts of it as were necessary to elucidate his state ment, and by reciting . also, the number of' Corporations now in existence in Ireland, es well as the number of' Corporations in those boroughs, From the Report it appeared that there were now 00 Corporations existing in Ireland, or, according to the description of' the words of the Report, " the following appear to be now effectively existing to the number of 60, and in full vigour exercising their functions." It further •stated that 11 had become nearly extinct since the period of the Legislative Union, and that a considerabl e n um b e r-s-to the number 0 . , 30 —had become absolutely extinct since thai time, TIM of the 71 Corporations now in fell or partial exereile ef their funs • tions, the population of the towns which were comprised within that descroleit amounted in round Numbers to upwards of 1.101),(00 persons, and that of this number not more than 13,000 of them were corporators. If the Flouse looked a little fur• ther into the details of the Report, they would find that of these 13,000 corporators, 8,000 were distributed over four boroughs, and the remaining 67 'boroughs had only 5,000 corporators amongst them, whilst their population exceetl:ed 500,000 per sons.—( Hear, hear.) In describing the constitution of these municipalities, the Report stated t . " . , at they were ruled by go verning bodies self-elected, nominees of the patron of the borough, That 53 of + .. l aose Corporations divided amongst them 1 ,`,150 corpores s es, and that the remaining nine of the 67 had only 251, corporators, by whom all their municipal affairs were ;agitated and ordered. The Report, after detailing what he bad just set forth, stated further that the general result of the inquiry satisfied the Commissioners of the fact, that the Municipal Corporations of Ireland were originally intended end instituted for the benefit of the inhabitants of the re spective boroughs at large. The language of the Report, with respect to . the lapsed general rights, was as follows : " It has followed, that in man) towns there is no recognised commonalty ; that in others, where existing in name, it is en tirely disproportioned to the inhabitants, and consists of a very srnall portion, of an exclusive character, not compromising the mercantile interests, nor representing the wealth, intviiip,-,encrt, or respectability of the town. The Corporations are, not without reason, looked on by the great body of the inhabitants of the corporate districts with suspicion and distre.:, as having interests distinct from and adverse to those of tlie general coin 'triunity, whom they thus studiously eielesle from a participa tion in the Municipal Government. Tlteir members frequently consist entirely of the relativet and adherents of particular individuals or families, and tile principles of their association, and those which regulate admission or exclusion, have rarely any corm:Set : ton with the common benefit of the district, or the withee of its inhabitants. In far the greater number of the ;lose Corporations, the persons composing them are the mere nominees of the f Patron,' or Proprietor' of the borough ; while in those apparently more enlarged they are admitted "and associated in support of some paetleular political interest, most frequently , at-variance with the majority of the resident in habitancy." this Was the character given in the report of the present Municipal Corporations in Ireland that they afforded any adequate representation of the intelligence, the wealth, the respectability, or the opinions of the communities over Which they respectively ruled, no one who had read the report would hesitate to deny. That they proceeded upon a system of rigid exclusion from any participation in the municipal offices, not merely all those who were Roman Catholics, but likewise every person who advocated liberal principles, or was of popular political persuasions, would not, he was convinced; be denied.—( Hear, hear.) The House could not telt& i,t for granted that the feelings of the Protestants of Vaand were represented in any adequate manner bx vli,ttoo Corporators distributed throughout the kitaxlestt, 'in the year 179 Q nu Act was passed by tlo Vl:titer - tient of Ireland, ackneve kt k, os . the eligib i iV,se. µf Roman Catholics to lay C0rp , 0N,i 6 , %, t° ut e;eee tie year 1793, up to the present the Corporation of Dublin had been so closely siossue4, that not above 200 Roman Catholics had Inse& 4ss'ltnated of that body. He was, however, bound ; . e, say, that it was a chara c t er i st i c o f the °or poratiop 'Dalin to exclude not only Roman Catholi cs , but sectarians also of all denominatkenes. aa well as per sons differing in politics fro% t iy twain, body e and these objections, extenclin; 11:4, they, 41. W; a very great exclOott propor tion of tier, i t Atsleltsysts t 4 that city, the majority of o te •wca l ltlo; mtc)ligc,n,ce, an a di eespeon.shillty of th a t i mportant pace. 4 was not nce.eseary to, look very d eeply into the Re port tp; Tit tkst the, mnrsicipel Corporations of Ireland were not feveuraisle to, the general ppgress oe . j ee p royemoot of tie t;;at the.y weso nneeme to it, and had unifes iuris t ed k , ,,i ) °,We;A W . the wry worst _}rut oses lump, of their general Report, the Ce-P- • sit the con tereaW IttiS tent's, enserve- - .ernissioners with re- Marla we have 0-- - in these reports, and the re vs:- • -els made o n t h e matters pointed out by your --sesty's Commis s i on , w e h ave abstained from any reference to .the political views with which many of the Municipal Corporaof-lall tions may h ave b een create d , an d t h e cons titutionst• the modified or controlled by the general enactments 0 I.egisiature. • 1 Whether those views or alter a ti ons were con. sistent w i t h sound and judicious policy, or were justified by events; whether the • tituttons or modifications, created at expectations of those particular periods, andnis by for l particular purposes, enswered the deemed it within ' our .. policy r of the State, we have ant )(i they were established, in re.e ference to the general dered these bodies in th j e dirnleceet to inquire. We haveconst. 'the reSpective communities immediate relation which they bear to either actually* or nominally attached to which they nee meets of local ad ,. lT , Nore, Or th" se m e.,e.,. an4 'l 3 the hdl. ir nt"'s of the corporate district. In this view, in' d i vs '-t ith ''."--J. 'llits we have, in these Reports, Humbly endeavoured this (abject, -. wherein, either in principle or practice, their to p„, t . °l nt out ttution or , aroceedings,appeer to us defective, and where - the result from the original frame of the corporate suci,,so defects been produced by unauthorised deviation . from 'y, .or :lave ' , 4 , 1 of, its arrangements. The operation of thre., 'd c 'e c r ' o r t ,, v , c m ` °l ' beyond what may be deemed 'sear° co xteAd s parade° limits: Corporations have long ladddidd '',...,npopnlar, and objects of suspicion. As at, l ong taco 111 L they are,' in many in staeces, of Ile kirvlve to '. ',le mincnunity-', - in others, i eurious ; in all, Insult Me nt• 'aild . inadequate to the proper purposes. and ' ende o f neil institutions. The public distrust in them at-- ' ' te e hes to their officers and nominees ; and the resulais a failure of that respect for, and confidence in, the ministeas of justice and pollen, which our ht to subsist in well-reguleted etoenn u e [shies, whieh, where they do exist, conduce se notcle to the peace and good order of society, and without which:the autho rit effy of the law may b e d readed, but cannot be respected or ective." Having thus stated to the House what the general eharacter of the namicipal corporations in fret:led was. as re ported-by the Commissioners, he should r • some r „ext. g o Into o tlse details • • • %tall respect to several of the corporate belies, and first he I 11 " i • saou,e ea the attention of tai,., - H„,,,.., : , l , 1 it: , ti; ._., ,TIOt e wide% the: . authorities in them hadenanaged the r ,},weed te hie; , was intrusted to them (or ranter eelt;cll j e gees I til f the purposes of the. public bee , ae 'er they 1 . Led let i , or , t.enc. rae woudf he -in v. it} potationOw of Dablin as the Chief owe inlreleed,' 1 ane en ' .thepre sentitter, et: its of this thieeterdic:ltioa of p ' ehli• - • d . intrested to :ts management, whieh was•sr, strews in '' ' - A '4ll°"Y tint that it would Le wroeg to pass it over. That Corpeettier P . toe Irish, Perliantent so Act empowering theni tee •1 ~te- e from evero called pipe water rates. This Act investeee t ,i(eA.,owhat ration with the power of raisin , * a sum of iitoneyr.,,,.. t e' ~, • p r o P se °- Of layiue pipes, in order to supply the' &al', - et f D ::blixiuri'iith water. ' The very first' thing the Alayor itn'l :, Nitlertnl ,) afterii.; . they had got ibis Act was to vote an' animal salary to .the. Treasurer of pool., and accordingly from that tie - tie:hi - etc, the yeer WOO the Treasures received ava sum yearlyout of the dates. Having thus for several year, 1- , enesequent to that period. strewn this sum, until it amounted in. the aggregatettei 47,0001., toe CorpOrarirn in the year 18:09 got another Act of Parlia ment passed, the object of w'aieh was to enable them to • sub stitute metal pip es f or t h e :seed pipes then laid" down, and by this Act they were empdtvered to levy additional rats, which they esnitieu e d t o do antil they were 160,000/. in 'debt or, the rates. The second Act of Parliament was framed iii a manner to provide that se long as this debt of /00,000/_ continued un paid none of I!,e water rates should b 0 loweeed. The natural result was, that this debt never was -paid,. and the water pipe rates continued in full force up to ihe year 18:27. At that pe- tied sdme proeeediegs in tlet'C•turt of Chancer y at Dubl en Were taken, with a view to' obtain an account ol; the mc,nies eeceived, by the Corporation on this account, but .taide then Lord Chancellor of Ireland - dismissed the bill' at tredi; a ..-, aduat he could not bring the Corporation to ace . . . t e le an ap peal was made to the House Of .eedle, ' . te - fr - ,n` s it . '' as decided. that fhe Corporation had no right to cenlittuy to": levy the water-pipe rates, and that they were debtors ItII e! ilifL9tlnt of 74,0001., which they were made to account fee-, This -...s one of the abuses which had sprung from the r,e - e.scnt condition of the municipal Corporations, but it was 'not a 'case where the private property of the Corporation errs applied to the use of individuals ; he ehoeld give anoticr similar instance of miss plication Ci peblie trust m oney p jrport of evidence on the Civ of Londonde rr y. , rt e i ,. ,im the re appeared from ereport- that the Corpo ra ti on of Lonee ender p consisting of th re a 'lor and twelve Alder Men, 7; 47 "an Act of Parliament passed in, the year 1790, enabling 4ssoe to build a bridge over the Boyne, and to levy a aoll-l'ilank resseng,ers and carts, & c . Upon this, Act the, CortattelliGa to sod a sum of 16,500/., with which the brike wai built, "aditir front the }'r 1790 to the year 1813, the sure, o f • 32,000k/was taised in tolls, whilst hot one shilling of the money bortte: ed in order to defray 'the cost of building the bridge was tn;p l aid. ' In the year Isla the bridge was carried aw a y by a , 'flood, and th e C orporat i on applied in consequence to Parlia ment,- and obtained 15,000/e out of the Corisedideaed Fund to, enable them to rebuild it. This was 'done, and.from the year 1813 to theyear 1331 a sum exceeding 70,0001. was taken in tolls, of which amount about 17,000/. was laid out in repairs. There conseqtetnily remained an 'excess of 57,000/., not Is. of which was applied towards the 'repayment of ti:, loan from the: Consolidated Fund ; but, on the contrary, .the Corporation spent •it_in other ways. The Corporation received,alsefi• om the'. tonnage a;:d harbour dues very large sums, and be only quoted . the words of 'the report when. he stated that from the year 1790 to 1831 the' Corporation of Londonderry received or. this • account n Sum hmounting to '270,0001., of which CG,937 was expended in necessary repairs, and a balance of 203,1'63/. was left over in .the hands of the Corporation of Londonderry. Such were the facts stated by the Commissioners "sith respect to . this city, the municipality of which had, type rently, delighted to set at naught. the Act of Parliament by which the specific method of applyi ng their, surplus rever,ues was - Doir.t(!a out. The report e n t ere d also somewhat intee the details of the me- • s - eagementeVtheeeareporation elf tie . ;.'tir affairs. Everything" it e . appeared, had heen conducted le l me the most expensive scale, • aad the outlay was upon a r.cry liberal elan. 'I he officers of the Corporations had hie", e e t salaries, and uensior's were granted freely, it might tamest tie said to all who ; asked for them. The Corporation Se'dditote also had a liberal salary, and his bill for costs almost atnouneed to 4,000/. Large sums were expended lit city antertainesents, and at a time when the Corporation owed the publie 13,:100/. Th ey had during the years 1828, 1829, and 13....?.0, a cook, who was paid a very high salary; and, as u necessary appendage to this functionary, an apothecary was re tained at a considerable annual expense.—( Hear, hear.) In the year 1819, et a time when the Corporation was 111 debt V., the amount Of 170,000/., the .Recorder 'of the city was pre sented with a piece of plate of the value of 1,6001. ; ar,d in 1821, when his late Majesty George IV. made a visit tw Ire land, the city of Londonderry sent a deputation to bishlin to greet his M:ijesty, at an expense of 5411. In short, the Cor poration of Londonderry acted as if they were de s cre e ne d to expend the public money in every possible way ' jut the fight one, that, namely, of p a yi ng t h e i r debts. Zee Right Hon. Gentleman here referred to the report, a considerable portion of which, relating to Londonderry, he read,. The next Corpo ration ho should refer to in support cf his declaration as to the neoessity of a municipal reform, vets one where the corporators acted upon the same principle ddith respect to expenditure as the city of Londonderry bad done, but which, unlike that gene rous Corporation, appeared to have confined its liberality to the private want% and purposes of the corporators themselves. The borough to which he alluded was Drogheda, the Corpo ration of which, it appeared, was possessed of property, eon sisting of lauds, honses, &e., to the amount of 14,000/. or 15,000/, a year 1 of tolls also to a considerable amount, being froth the year 1800 to 1813, no less than 33,406/. These Oils were granted originally in trust for the public benefit wad ad vantage, but it appeared that during the years above epecified. only 8,000/. had been brought to account for the Ilse of the commonalty, reeving a balance of more than 25,0 frat, unac counted for in the hands of the Corporation. Tie: munici pality was possessed, as be had before stated, 4 lands' amount ing in yearly value to n ear ly 15,000/., or, as nad been calcu lated and stated in the Reports, 14,7311. Now, this rental was, in fact, reduced to a sum little • exceeding 3,000/., and the result of the inquiry showed, that: this was entirely owing to the lettings of the Corporatiatn property having latterly . been conducted in private, \vithout any competition being suffered to take place , . 7dhe property of the 'Corporation, which consisted a hoenes was also equally ill-disposed of. It consisted of bIZ'A hnmses, amounting, on a moderate compu tation, tie the anne a l value of 11,000/. Now, this property was in tilt) hande of thirteen families, who did not pay in than wbe)e more than 9 ,000/., thus showing a loss of more thau 9,0004 a ye ar u p on th e renta l o f t h e b oroug h pro p er ty. I n feet, there n was scarcely a c o rpo ra t e t ow in lreland where e similar misapplication of th e cor p ora t e p ropert y was no t to b found. Take the borough of Carrickfergus as another exam nle. In that place there was a large property consisting or connnon lands. A nobleman connected with the berotigh had, a valuablelease of some of these lands, which in 1813 was about to exotic., ••' and for the renewal of which, at the existing tent, - he had applied. lie had been elected an aldet•mati of the he- . rough, though, he had never attended any of the proceedings .of the corporsailen ; and it so happened that there were two yob._ tical parties there, elually -balanced, and whose carts had bout most severely tested at the last - two or three canteeted : elections for the representation of the borough. On th a ap- • . plication for the renewal of the abovernentioned leas• e b e i ng." , sent in, it was cont e nded bet ween th ese t wo part i es w 1 er ite should be renewed or net; but as each was afraid of offending . a nobleman who had considerable • influence is, dna borough, . both parties joined for once in atereeing to renew it, and the -, consequence was, that he got a lease foe eteadf 200-acres or, . most valuable l an d, at a nominal rent. of 304 a' year. One oc - the corporaters, however, was subsequently dissatit•fied with this proceeding, and laid a case before the Barons at the Es - .:hequer, to sec if it could he reversed. On that occasion one of the aldermen was examieed, and he gave as his .retteon for suf. ft•ring this Nobleseau to take so large apiece ,of lenel•at 90 low a rent, tltai all the other Aldermen had already lead their • shard, ie the municipal property, and he had a r;ght,to take. h 4:. if the Houma, would look t o ot h er cases as stated in the Report, they wade; fitind similar statements of misappropriation.. . The easea et: Peatarlington was one ; that of Neas was anodic: wisVoe t i le° recollection of the House ; for so recently as the. yeAr• 1832, the proccodi ngs i n t h at b oroug h h a d b een brought to their notice. In many eases it had been found dulUeult ba the Cammiselateers to ascertain how much Corporate property had be en weak away with by grants to individuals th ; but followln extract from their Report would show the, extent to which, , so Lee as the year 1832, this systom had been carried on in the borough of Naas. • "On The Report s tate d . , _ the morning of the 29th of September, 1832,.. Lord --'s law the direction, of the Dean W . ,: agent, at his Lordship's house, by . _ . . entered in the Corporatism book the following resoles. 7--- ' , B oroughof P . a county of Kildare to wit, ;tons ;__. At an assembly held on the 29th of Septem'Jor, 1832, hefor e p, e--, Esq., sovennd, g ,,, and the Hon. and Rev. G. • s I ants J. —, E'; 4 , portrecvcs, among other resolutions lie vas res solved fee-farm grant for one of the several, la 4' • i that a c 11 1. am • comprised in letters patent of Kingdantes 1., bearing, - ~ premises date the 9 d of May, 1609 ..e execpti;),g, however, er d.resseav e: --:-.1 ' r the right to certain lands and premises leenei:Oned..eed i t 'l' •certain fee-fern.. . .. - comprised in a t h e Right . Hon. John Lord Viseeunt —___, a te . atieestor e df s a9, J . Earl of ---9, be executed and perfected by this Colfporeai,c9ln e nem the said Earl td* _____, his heirs and assi.ges, s o _ehject,to the yearly reit': of 12/. sterling. Resolved, that a e po s fap - , grant for one of the markets, and several fairs ofeeNdas, ,7 at eluding the' Tipp er f a i r, w i t h the dells, customs, &e., be , 3 0C° ;01/- ase d th e cted - 're prl ott, coo 3 9 ito er : t ty ,nge ° - f i 'in° 4efe' adelr ;ra" t ;• ^ 1 0 ' )119° I°°l ta trV , t o ; to ° et bte r , late 113d' of for if' t 3, ,gCt° 4 pAr' Or. eid er► Si t o ar , yoe' OW' ! S f e 0 J. ll' e 11, Ole) ' 119 of the .• J i