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:hey also contributed largely to its financial resources. Yei, with the conscio 7 asness of all these means; their conduct was, highly exemplary as loyal and submissive subjects; and sure he was they never - would evince any other sentiment. Under such impressions he should act unjustly if he did not give his most cordial support to the present 41 1 LA ion. Lord BUDES6ALE shortly explained. Lord G 41iNVILLE then replied at some length to the clitierent objections urged against his motion; alter which the House divided on it, Contents - . 63 Nan. Contents • tat Adjourned at half-past twelve o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS. WEDNESDAY, JUNK 22. The Southern Whale Fishery Bill, and the Silk Duty Bill were read a third • time and passed ; as were also the Exchequer .Bills Bill, the Tower Ham lets Bill, M‘Doi.vall's Estate Bill, and ; the Irish Jail Bill. • The Reprisal Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-morrow. The Madeira and Brazil Postage Bill was reported, and ordered to be read a third time to-morrow; as were ako the Coffee Customs Bill, the Coffee Ex cise Bill, and the Scotch Judicature Bill, which lat ter was ordered to be 'read a third time ori Friday. • The Woollen Penalty Suspension Bill passed through a Committee, and was Ordeyed to be re ported to-morrow. COPY lIIG FIT. Tvlr.-Vieeteas moved the Order of the Day for a Committee on the Copy Right Bill. On the question that the SPEAKER do leave the Chair, Mr. W. WvietsE should not object to the motion, if the Bill were to .go into a COMmittee on at un derstanding that it v.as merely •for tilling up • the blanks, in order to afford time to the public and the parties concerned to judge how far it might be de sirable. kr their interest that the 11 should pass. He thought that the time ought to. be extended within which the Copy-right should be preseried to the author. This time, lie was of opinion, ought to be twenty-eight years, as also' that no author should be allowed to dispose of his Copy-right for more than fourteen years. As to the other part of the. Bill, requiring that a copy of each work to be pub lished should . be sent to public libraries, the booksel lers, who were the largest 'publishers, felt it would be so injurious to their interests, that they had'prepared a Petition against that part of it, which he. expeCted would be ready to present in the course of the evening. He put it therefore to the Right Honour , able Gentleman, whether it would not. be more de " sirable to let the Bill lie `Over till next Session, in order that all parties may have time to consider of its provisions. • ' • .Mr. I/it:Liens replied, that the principle of the Bill was not new, as t he Universities were al rea dy entitled to copies of all works that should be publish ed, and it could not be denied.that this circunistance was favourable to learning, as thereby students in the Universities were. enabled to consult books which otherwise they would be unable to purchase. Copy-Rights were at present proteaed to the extent of twenty-eight years in two different periods. But the consequence was, that in the works requiring .time to mature them, the author could not derive , frout them One halt' of the adVatitages that were en - joyed by authors of the lightest productions. • The objet of this Bill was to remedy this evil. Mr. •Abseenomete concurred with his Hon. and Learned Friend, in requesting the Right Hon. Gen tleman not to press the Bill at this late period of the Session, because many of the Booksellers of Scotland, and someof those of Ireland, whose in terests would. be materially affeeted by .the Bill, had hot"any knowledge of its provisions, The House then resolved into the Committee, Mr. NVliattou in the Chair. The btanks were tilled up, and a clause introduced for extend;ng the proVisiOns of the bill to Oriental work., atter which the House resumed, and the Report was immediately received, : • ' xvben The ATTORNEY-GENERAL proposed that the Bill be re-con - iniiited, and ae.instri,i6tion . be given t o t h e Committee to divid e t he Bi order that the part whick provides tor the protection of the authors might be passed now, and the ether might lit: over for consideration, though he did not think there was Inuch weight in. the objections made •to that part which required that d copy of every new publication should be supplied to all libraries open to the public. This would not be a hardship to authors, I. -cause' this was what •was requiled of them by the.dth of Anne, in return tot the advalltlge they derived from the Copy itight secured to them by that Ad. On the q,uesnon that the Bill be re - comtn i tted, Mr. W. WvNna,atter stating his. several objec• tio.o to the Bill, moved that the further consider ation of the iteport be put off to this clay three months. Lord HPNRY PETTY agreed in the proposition of the Attorney General. lie thought that the pre.. sent criterion of the duration of an Author's Copy right was a very fallacious one:, namely the life of the Author, and required much consideration. But as to the other part of the Bill, which' required the delivery of a copy of each work to be published, to every library open to the public, it was only to carry lute effect the spirit of the Mt of the Rib of ~tonne.. Fie therefore thought that the Bill ought to be separated, in order that this latter part should be, passed, whilst the more delicate and difficult part , should be untiered to lie over till the next Session. Sir SAMUEL ROMILLY contended that the part proposed by the Noble Lord to'be passed this Ses sion was ,the most exceptionable part of the Bill. • Fur his part, he did not -Think that there could be ,any objection to pass that part which •was to secure the-Copy Right to 'Authors for. e 8 years. But that prevision which required the delivery of copies of new works to public libraries would have the effed of levying a lax upon particular individuals, which ought to be defrayed by the public, In many cases o f extensive works the publishers' were indifferent a bout Copy iii l,t, and if the 13111 were to proceed, h e was or opinion that an option should beNiven to such persons to clairriMr suctfCopy Right`,' an d, io the latter case, to. be exonerated 'trom the necessity of delivering a Opy of their ,works to puli lie libraries, . --- ibe,A,I7OnNEY-GEtittAt concurred in the jug. lice of the observatinits of his 4un. and Learcred Friend, and•&etared Ills intention to move a clinse to that etTe& in tire Committee. on the Bill. The SOLICITOA-GEN sitA.i. argued at some length, and with much force, in fatrour of passing both parts of the Bill, even at this late' period of the., Seision. , I Mr. STEPHEN observed, that the Bill its it at first stood, embracing both objeas, was unobjeaiona ble. But he contended that, if it were to be divided, it would be obieaionable in point of prececieut,.be-i cause it. would separate the provision for.the author and for the Universities, which had been jointly se- 'cured in former Aas. He was of opinion, however, that the author had, at common las.v,• - an. unlimited Copy Right, which was restrained by the .13th of Anne. But it appeared to him that the notoriety which would arise to.works from copies being given to the learned Universities, would be an equivalent to the author for the copies he should deliver to such institutions. - V;LGIERS stated, that it was certainly with extreme relutiance.be consented•to the separation of the Bill ; but as he could not put his opinion in op position to the authority upon : which that proposi— tion was made, he felt inclined' to accede to it ; at the same time he gave notice, that at an early period next Session he should move for leave to bring in a Bill similar to that.which was now to be divided. The Bill was then ordered to berecommitted ; and . an instru&ion haying been voted •to the Committee for dividing the Bill, the House resolved into the Committee, Mr. Wharton in the Chair. . _ Mr. SMITH stated his obje6tions to the fur— ther progreass of this Bill at this late period of the Session, and therefore moved that the Chairman do now leave the Chair. A short discussion then took place*, in,which Mr. Leicester, Doaor Lawrence, the Attorney-General, Mr. W. Smith, and Mr. W. Wynne, participated; after which the Attorney-General declared, that Upon consideration he was inclined. to think it would be- better to proceed with tl.e whole of the Bib without any division, becauQe it would certainly ,be• desirable that the burthem should be imposed ,by the same measure that - wss to confer the benefit. He hoped therefore that the Amendment suggested by his Hon. and Learned Friend (Sir Sainuel.Romilly) would obviate the principal objeaions to the Bill. Mr. W. WYNNE and Mr. W. &SITU repeated their objedions to the proceeding ftirther with the Bill at this late period of the SeSsion, contending that it would not be decent to pass such a measure without affording an ;Tportunity to the..l3poksellers,. particularly in Irelanu, to be heard on the subjea. Mr. MORRIS contended, that the measure - would not at all - affea the Booksellers or Publishers, be cause it was to apply only to future publications, and those persons would in their bargains with the Authors indemnify themselves for . any'number of copies which they might be required, undeithis Ai t, to deliver into the Universities and other' Public In stitutions'. At this period the SPEAKER informed the Com mittee that a message from the Lords was 'waiting, and intimated that it might be for the conv e ni ence of the Hou.e, that the Committee should adjourn fbr a short time, in order that the House niav reaume tii receive the Message, adding, that the :Comunittv,. might afterw4di proceed with the Bill,. and•ttrit this course was consonant to the pradtice of House. The' House then resumed, 0/ben a Message from the Lords intermed the House, that:their I.,(;rds hips had agreed to the Irish Malt Duty Bill, Irish Drawback Bill, the It kit Spirits Bill, the'lost Duty Farming Bill, the Prize Goods Bill, the Prit2 Bill, the Inland Promissory Note Bill, •and. the Chatham- Lines Bill, without any Amendments, and to t the English Local Militia Bill with several Amend ments, in which they desired die concurrence of the Hpuse. Lord PALMERSTON presented the fourth Report of the . Sugar Distillation Cotntnittee.—Ordered to lie on the table, and with the Appendix to be printed. Mr. WiIARTON brought up the Report of the As sessed 'Laces Bill. After the several Amendments were gone through, Mr. HusitissoN brought up a Clause to remove all doubt relative to a subject mentioned by an Hon. Member (Mr. AVAaost.i.) last night; providing that no person shall be liable to surcharge upon returns antecedently made, and that the surcharge shall apply to such articles only as shall be contained in such re turns. This clause was'agreed to, as was also a clause,. providing that the Bill should not extend to Scot land. 4 Member, whose name . we could not learn, pro- , posed a. clause, providing that when 4hetutpig- Wooers of any Districk shall have assignetl the day for hearing appeals against surcharges, and di.e ticeshall be given to the parties, and the. Surveyor. and Assessors, and the Surveyors and Assesscirs shall neglect„ to attend. it shall be lawful lig the Commis sioners to allow compensation to the parties for their time in attending. The clause was agreed to, when the House went into-a Committee on these clauses. After which the House resumed, and the Report having been received, the Bill was ordered to he• engrossed, and read a third time to 7 murrow. 'rite Citique-Ports Salvage Bill went :through•.a Colutuit tee ; time Report was received, and the Bill. ordered to be read a third time, on Vriday. ()tithe Report of the.Life.Annuhy Bill, Mr.VAN SITTART proposed a clause to prevent' the accumu lation of Annuities on the same lite. The CHANCELLOR of the Excnuattes allowed die clause to pass for the present; reserving the right of altering or rescinding it,. it it should not, be subse quently found to he attended with the advantages now expeoled. , On the motion of Mr. HUglitS3ON, the• House went into. a'Connuittee on the Sugar Distillery Bill, .The Report to be received tb-morrow. The Spirit. Duty Regulation Bill was read a third time and passed ; also the Irish Treasury . Bills Bill, and the Welch Coals. Bill. • The Irish Spirit Duty JIM went through a,Com mittee,..the Report to be rec‘tived Sir SANIVI3. lic)aitt.t..x, on the- sndt,-r tor the se ,reading pt . the Activatted ?CriioLl4,Compensa tiOn 13th, deehired his intention not to prbceed fur ther with the. Bill it) this Session, bat gave nctice that he would bring forward the subject .again early. in the next Session. On the Motion of Sri VIOMIY CINDS, the House went again into 41 Cornanttee on the Copy-right Lill. • • • - On the Mi.tion of the ATTORNR -GCNCItAti, it was egieed that those who wished tO"‘vaive their Copy rig it, should not be obliged to give the copies !of . publication required by the Bill'; and it was alt.() pro vided that ti l ose who did not give the copies requir ed should . have no copy-right. . . - - Mr. Ah2IICHOMIIIE contended, that the public interest would be better served. by abridgingt the , period of Copy-right ; he proposed to limit it to 20 years, instead of 28. Mr. Moaats insisted,*that the term -of-twenty eight years was not too mitch for a just COpy4ight. He cited the cases of Dr. Adam SMith's Work, and Dr. Johnson's Dictionary, to- prove that most va luable works were not properly estimated till they had gone through many editions and had been long before the public. He therefore thought that an extended term of Copy-right was desirable, Sir ARTHUR PIGOTT thought the present period of the Session ton late for. the agftation of this subjeCt.• He thought eleven copies too many to require, and that when no complaint was made on the part of . authors, of booksellers, or the public, it wa3 unne cessary to alter the law as it stood. Mr. Lavensratt defended the _proposition of the Attorney-General; which was greed to, after some observations in exception by Mr. Smith (of-Nor , wich). _ _ Mr. W. WtrlNg proposed to render the supply of copies to the Universities obligatory only whet) called tor. On explanation this dilliculty was re moved. Some further conversation took place on the pro vision to 'secure the best impressions of every work to the public librariei. It was agreed that the copies so given should' be on the best paper on which the work should be printed for the general purposes of sale. The House having resumed, the Report was received, and ordered to be taken into further consi deration on Friday._ a. a _ _ On the Motion of Sir S. now LLY, the .House took into further consideration the Report of the Com mittee on the. Privately Stealing Bill. The Amend ments were agreed to, .and the Bill, was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. OYSTER FlSlllitt-Y. Mr. WHARTONi;aliid up th e Report of the Oy ster Fishery Bill. • • • • SirS...llommt.y opposed the Bill. In the Com mittee he intended to propose, in lieu of the punish ment of transportation fur leven years - , imprison went for two; but the Bill had passed through the Committee, vety unexpeatedly lo him, at an early hour this morning. His chief objection to the Bill . was, that the House was. not• sufficiently acquainted with the nature of the property which it was intend. • ed to secure. 'He deprecated the enactment of a new penal law, without having previously ascertained the' precise extent ut the crime, or - without a complete conviction that it might not be committed in igno rance rather . than with . a-rnaleroleht design. Ile dwelt with considerable twee on the dreadful de pravation of mind to which the persons transpotted to Botany Bay were sutkjeCted, and contended, that it was of such a nature as to call loudly for the inter ference of the Legislature. The Souccrun GEN 'MAL defended the Bill, as. indispensible to the protection of private property. It was not the enattment of a new penal statute. It was already in his opinion a felony at common •l stir; but from an inadvertence , in wording of the the i!rotedion of this protwrty was _up; so voinplete as was desirable •that it sbould be; !U 1 that CA: Bill before the House processed, was to the common law. With respect to the it •was not greater than what was :::!;,•:;;••. similar offences._ AAUENS explained the way in which this iy was exposed to robbery; and declared that tt ,sine mealli were not devised to secure ibis pro perty from depredation, the persons engaged in the fish ay would be very materially injured. - • Sir A. UHT'S thought that the oyster beds should be more distinctiy marked by buoys, lest he or any other innocent man, 'who was fond of oysters, should be betrayed into the unfortunate . prediea - - ment of finding that he had unwarily comaiitted felony: Mr. S. BbtraNwana Sir W. ErsonD both sup ported the Bill, on the principle that severe punish ment was necessary to prevent crimes of easy 1:0m- Mission. Mr. W. WYNNE pressed the necessity of dis tinctly marking out the beds. Mr. \ftLugus dwelt on the necessity for further security to the proprietors•olthe beds. - • Sir A. PIGOTT complained of'being called upon to legislate on this subjecl, and to meet such: severe punishments withot-t. a much more satisfactory in-. vestigarion. The common law was clear, as stated by his Learned Friend; what occasion was there fur the present Bill. Mr. SPENCER STANHOPE, while he allowed that this description of property required a greater guard than that which it now had, would rather that any offence against the Bill should be a transportable misdemeanour instead Art a iekmy. 1-le wished the . discussion to be adjourned, ter give an sypurtunity fur the consideration ofthis suggestion. Mr. WESTERN delend‘d the Bill at Consideiable length. . • Mr. BURTO:kt was Or opinion, that it might bead- visable, on the third reading, to introduce a clause, by which no persons should he entitled to_ prosecute, who had not, by proper btioys, marked out the ex tent of their beds. The Gallery was then cleared, but we understand that the Report was agreed to without a division. The thil . was ordered to be read a third time to morrow. Adjourned at Half past Eleven o'Clock., 'FOREIVIINTELLIGENCE PARIS, JUNR 7.—From Naples we bear, under the elate of the 7th May—" Yesterday morning, at bix o'clock, his Majesty the King repaired to Milan, from whence his Majesty will proceed to Bayonne, to his Serene Brother the Emperor of the llasNc►t. According to report,ct he absence ut his Majesty will be of no long,duration." . We are informed, by intelligence from Tonl° , l4; dated the.2d inst. that his Majesty the King of NA ruts has already passed through that city, and was hastening to Bayonne with great speed. General' MINOU, appointed by his Majesty the Emperor Governor• General of the three LJepart• - - - - - ments.of Tuscette, received the Grated (;70'i the Legion of Honour. On the of the day before yesterday arivc..! peeve General SveahSTIANI, Ambassador of hic Freecli Imperial Majesty at the Sublime Porte, who left, Constantinople. Jt:NE e.—According to intelligence received frog.) 'the ci-devant Province of Brittany, his Maiesty tie Emperor is shortly expeaed there: The Mayor 1,1 „ Nantes has already announced the .reeireeelieff, rival of .his 'Majesty to the inhabitants, and he leas required all the artists to deliver in tirojeas for re ceiving his- Majesty -in the me l t splendid manner. At L'Orient, Rennes, Brest, and elsewhere in like manner, great preparations are making.- JUNE to.—ln the Atoniteur is contained the all.' lowing from Bayonne, dated the '4lh instant:— . The day before yesterday his Majesty received at his Levee the Deputation of the Grandees of Spain, and had a very long conference with Among the Members who constitute this Deputation ere mentioned Prince CASTEL FRANCO, 11141 Duke del PAIiQUE, the Doke of OssuNA, the Marqois of SANTA Owls, and the Count of SANTA COotea.' Yesterday his Excellency M. IYAUZANZA, AligiSta of Finance, presented to his Majesty the Deputation of the Council of. the Indies and of the Council 0f Finance. His Majesty conversed two hours with the Members of this Deputation, concerning • changes' and improvements which the welfare ° Spain requires, in the opinion of all intelligent per; daily sons. The Deputies of the Extraordinary J unta are l N v l n a g di ' id we learn the followin u nder the Flyro arri ving.' 0 , date of the 30th of May : " Yesterday the Council or Castile held an E`P. traordinary Assembly, pursuance of a Cotternolot cnntmunicated by their Excellencies Don SzeOit PI,NUELA and Don ARIAS MON, the Seniors of t u 6 Connell : " SIK---His Royal Highness the Grand Delte ,°f BERG, Lientenenant General of the Kin;dorn, 'mantis, that at eight o'clock of the morning of t°. morrow, the Mb of, May, the Council do a sseieb.e , , h order to 'proceed to the execution of 3 Decree Proclamation of his Majesty the Emperor of, lbe -FaeNcit, King of and Prewar:lr of the Co federacy of the Rhine. • " In this Decree it has pleased his Imperial sod Royal Alajeity, by virtue of the rights to the Crown of Spain which have been ceded. to him, to infant! the Council of Castile of measures which be titian, in order to fix the basis for the new Govern, meat of the Kingdom. His Majesty comargudirPJ the same time, that his Highness the Grand Dul.:eo Bane shall continue. to fulfil the funelions of Liet.l.r nant General ot the Kingdom; and he requires the Council of Castile to publish and affix the Said 111.) . , Aerial Decree, that no one may pretend i g noraocea , the same. " Pursuant, to this, and to an express CO frpm his Serene Highttess the Lieuten ant General, give your Excellency notice that the C ourt will as' semble to-morrow morning early." The Imperial Decree itself was to the followitte'' effea • Emperor of the Fitt.' of ITALY, ProteCtor of the - •Confedera 4 ) 1 11 q Rhi " ne, The King and Princes of:the House of SratY having ceded their right, io the/ Crowti, as is nOl7, 4 by their Truat)c. of 1110 Stir and II41).91:.,114:1Y , 39 1" by their' Proclamations published by the Junta P" the Council of Castile, we have decreed' and do de' cree, ordered and do order, as follows : b:el ' 1 ART. 1. The Assembly of the' Notables, %.-- 1 has already been cant ened by Lk - Lieutenant Genevi' l of the KingdOrn, shall be held on the 15th ot JL 11)(! : at Bayonne. The Deputies shall be charged With the sentiments, desires, rind complaints of dense' they represent,.. and also with full power to 61 basis of the new Government of the. Kingdom. .11 e,2. O ur C ous i n , t h e G ra nd Duke of BERG , sh' l continue to fulfil the fun:Alerts of Lieutenant Generic of the Kinaclow. " 3. The Ministers, the Council of State, t•l'6, . Council of Castile, and'all Civil, Ecclesiastical' an Authorities are, as - far as is requisite, col" ' _ tti firmed. Justice shall be administered mete same forms and in the same manner as is usoal- t 4 4. The Council of Castile is charged with publication of this Decree, and with the a ffixing 14 _ on all places where it may be necessary' , that no elle may pretend ignorance of the same. " Given in our Imperial and. Royal Palac e, at Bayonne, the sih of May, 1808. The favourable Sig re P c e e d p ) tion which 114:11,0LEON. Maje,ty the p E u n t t i p e e s r erne find a ti n e d yo K n i t t: e g j v c a t in er to di,i t l i g ie P u vrt i o e g o u e e r :l r ic n, : } t P h o e rh ror i tu o g t u . Portuguese: 2 0 1 f st r re f v t : l % u e r d i ly tt . ie lion s Z ti s 'known by an extract from a letter maceP'lbtic' by the Duke of AIIRANTE3, Governor General of ru. . toga!, and written at Bayonne, on the 9, 7 1 . 11 , April, by the Portuguese peptides, to his Maje' ) I the Emperor and King. The Extra& was preceded by the (011 0 '6 1 :5, P ' ° ‘ clamation, by his Excellency the Governor-Uenc. rap t re t " IN}aTo4 - uast —Without doubt you wi ll oo fi t the benevolence of NArOLEON the Gar' 3 ide . condo& will proVe that you are worthy _Pf i( pendence. It will be a source of great joy' to Can contribute to your felicity. l'ortuguese -- "i n tinue to live in quiet, and place your me. The moment approaches when your new Lag nization will take place." The Extra& iron) the Letter \v.,: to the tolloWing of ea : . " CotINTUI:NIEN ! Thecontidence with which you honoured co in Priers of your wishes and sentiments, sending us to the Great iVlonarch; to be the ii iie. ' - that we might submit our I t.caresi 4W:rots al OW fate of our country to the decision of the iiglitY: genius who is to renovate Etrope. 'Oil our arrival at the frontiers Of the French empire, Wt wer e witi nesses cat the continual rejoicings of tlie'suliject O the Great NAPoLk:OS. This expression, of ni versal joy in France afforded us a presen.tiinetk t of ou r felicity. . `` His Imperial and Royal 11IajeAy devoted the . first day of his residence at Bayonne to the reception • at his subjects. He was p:eased to grant as the o n day. lie entered into the was granted. minutest detail, re specting all our desires and concerns., NOliting (,' equal the extent of his genius the subltrottY'° r '''' ' w -- .~.