The Sun. — London, England, 1838-07-13 00:00:00

That Lord Brougham should have attracted the moat rstacorous vituperation of tho Tory press can excite no surprise, as the hatred of that immaculate organ is always measured out in proportion to the benefits which the indi vidual selected for his animadversion may have rendered to the cause of reform and good government, and his Lord ship's position as a Reformer being pre-eminent, the enve nomed assaults of the Tories may be regarded as its natural coacomitant. But that journals professing, or wishing themselves to come under the denomination of liberal, should bay their foul-mouthed malice against the individual who has rendered the most essential service to the cause! with which they affect to be associated, is one of those phenomena which provoke the question— " Can such things be, And overcome us like a summer cloud, Without our special wonder ?" These journals of extraordir:ary liberalism charge his Lordship with a crime of no less neagnitude than that of playing into the hands of the Tories. Now, if the whole life of his Lordship did not stamp "mu" on the ac cusation, we would ttek grave charg e founded? on wh at grounds is such a The r e pl y must cover the liberal ene m i es of h'.3 Lordship with utter confusion,ae fur. nishing th e ev id ence of their own condemnation, Lord Brougham i s * accused of p y g the game of the Tories, the lain because Canal ause he e spposed the aplicati on o f a coerc i ve police to as, which, p as he foretold, provoked an insurrec tion in these provinces. He is accnsed of coalescing with the Tories, because, with an erne,rgv and ability of which no other man in the British dreminion; was capable, he urged forward .the abolition of the negro apprenticeship system-- an acquiescenee in which would have secured to the Cen ptral Governmeei the merit of an act which is already in rogress of accomplishment without its interference. He accused of conspiring with the Tories, because he olueosed the enactment of a Poor-law for Ireland— 'universally condemned by the rich and the poor, the Tries and the Reformers of that country. He is ace'Ssed of consorting with the Tories, because be asked ;or the pro duction of papers in reference to our f ee r,", g , p o li cy , w hi c h subsequent admissions proved to 'ee e tit subject of inquiry, as involving to a serious maws', the question of peace or war with other nations. teseee are the grounds of accusa tion. We challenge t.i ite most malevolent of his Lordship's ?pponents to brinte, forward any other. And what do these imply ? Whas., - but a , most anxious and judicious vigilance over the bee. interests of the country ? If this be playing thWe e gam'. of Toryism, we at least wish success to the game. IThrider the utterers of such calumnies should be so stutefied by the spirit of det rac ti on as not to perceive that ia placing the Tories in such an association they are giving them the best recommendation to the country. Fortunately, the principles of Lord Brougham's whole life are sufficient guarantees against their taking advan tage of the opportunity which them uddled 'malice of spu rious Liberalism lays open to lf any proof were lwanting of Lord Brougham's being the man of all others east influenced by personal consideration s , it is presented in the fact of his at present standing isolated from all parties. A man of ignoble ambition, even with a ge nius of less intellectual pre-eminence than is possessed by Lord Brougham, conflict of parties, might easil find y, midst th e present cation. B ut hi s Lor oppunities for it s gratifi enlightened dshi ortp stands alone, a pp ea l s to the principles of ju s ti ce an d po li cy, an d to the R intelliese':Ate of the community he appeals from the: selfism s parties to the impartial pirit of th time, and for this is he accused by both sides o f act e mg in oppo s iti on to t h e national welfare, when he is tnere Y o l pposing th e i n t erests of faction or the pro gi ress of injudicio us legislati on . S uch accusation is the hghest tribute that could be offered to the integrity of Lord Brougham's principles : the power of his genius has al rea d y b een so forcibly felt in its effects as to pre clude the possibility of a commensurate panegyric. We lave stated the grounds of the multiplied attacks which leave been made upon Lord Brougham, in order that the public may fairly judge of the nature of the offence which has excited the condemnation of the opposing hosts who s l aughter each other in wordy war, while legislation stands, like the sun in the valley of Ajalon, waiting the catastrophe of the affray in a state of complacent expecta tion. There is nothing more easy than to impute motives, and by this means the worst acts may be vindicated, or the best condemned ; but discarding this test of conduct, which, by the way, would be a terrific ordeal for the ca lumniators of Lord Brougham, we judge acts by their effects, and defy his accusers to adduce a single instance in the present session, we might say in his whole life, wherein his political conduct was not actuated by the most honest regard for his country's welfare, and the most en lightened principle of legislation.—Morning Advertiser. Before going into a Committee last night on the Irish Municipal Bill, Lord Lyndhurst stated, in a clear and lu minous speech, the principles on which they ought to pro ceed in fixing the qualification, &c. With respect to the towns in schedule A, which were large and populous, there was no intention on the part of Noble Lords on his side of the House to object to Corporations being granted to them ; but with respect to the towns in schedule B, many of which which were small and posseseed of little or .no property, it had occurred to him and many other Noble Lords that it would be highly unjust to force Corporations on them, but that it should be left to the towns themselves—if a majority of the rated inhabitants were so inclined—to apply to the Crown for charters. With respect to the quali fication he proposed that it should be 101., includ ing . rent, allowance for repairs, and insurance.— His amendment was, " The qualification should be of the yearly value of not less than 101., to be ascertained and determined as hereinafter mentioned." " The first question," added the Noble and Learned Lord, " was, whether the House would accede to the proposition for raising the value to 10/. ; and the next was, whether they thought his mode of ascertaining the value was correct. He proposed to continue his amendment, And such yearly value shall be ascertained and determined in the manner following, and not otherwise ; that is to say, it shall be composed of the value of the premises rated as they are hereby required to be under the provisions of an Act made and passed in the present Session of Parliament, entitled An Act for the Reliefof the Poor in Ireland,' and of the amount of the sum at which the landlord's repairs and insurance is estimated in such rate.' Their Lord ships were already aware that by an amendment introduced into the Poor Relief Bill there was a schedule attached to it in reference to the rating, in one column of which were mentioned the landlord's repairs, while in the oth er th e i nsurance was set out. The Poor-law Commissioners were to appoint valuers, and the valuers were to act under their orders, and the rates were to be made under their direction, and these points were to be ascertained in the rate, and the persons, therefore, who were to decide on the qualification would have only to take the three sums which he had mentioned." Lord Melbourne complimented the Noble and Learned Lord on the fairness of his statement. He differed, how ever, as to the leaving it to the towns in schedule B to ap ply for charters. There might be many reasons, internal dissensions and feuds, which might prevent an application ; whereas, if the Corporations were given at once they would be well received, and they would be conferring on the towns a form of government which was now admitted generally to be productive of advantage and benefit. Lord Wicklow always considered that this Reform ought to be granted : he knew that it was only a question of time, and it was therefore peculiarly satisfactory to him that the session would not be allowed to, pass with out the adoption of a satisfactory measure. With respect to the qualification, he feared that there woulkbe much difficulty in arriving at a perfect knowledge of what the re pairs and insurance might be, and he should prefer a bona fide qualification fixed at a lower nominal amount on the rating. In Committee Lord Lrndhurst's amendment, to the effect that Corporations should be forced only on part of the t owns , was ag reed to with ou t a division. The other amendment o f Lord Lyndhurst, that the 101. be composed of rent, repairs, and insurance, was opposed by Lord Melbourne. It would appear, from an answe r returned by Lord Lynd hurst to an observation from Lord Melbourne which was not heard, that the latter had suggested the fixing the qualificatio n at 8/. rent, thus getting rid of the perplexity of determining the allowance for repairs and insurance. On a division the amendment was carried by 96 to 36. The House having resumed, the report was ordered tole re ceived on Tuesday next. Lord Brougham was present ; but there baying been little room for factious display, his peculiar talents were not in requisition. He was observed to be very fidgetty throughout the evening, from want of opportunity, no doubt, to vent the spite with which he overflows against the Ministers, who would not employ him because they could not trust him.—Norning Chronicle. The Ministerialists are delighted, and this is the only evidence we can adduce of good sense or good taste on their part, whenever it happens that the Duke of Welling ton lends to their leaders a helping hand, and saves them from the inconvenience or the castigation which, but for the tender mercy of the Noble Duke, would manifestly have been their lot. On all such occsi ons the Nobl e Duke i s com p e ll e d t o en d ure cu l og i ums which might surely be regarded, even were his Grace clearly in the wrong, which, by the by, very seldom happens, as an adequate in fliction, a l t h oug h our ar d ent an d eager con temporaries were to b e more spar i ng than Conservative than some of the m are willing t o b e o f t h e i r censure. To these different species of retribut'on his Grace, fortunately for his own peace, and most advantageously for his reputation and dignity as a s t a t esman, is, we believe, equally insens ible. He pursues his honourable and straightforward course, re gardless alike of the exultation which may glow in the co lumns of the Courier and Globe, sympathising with the feelings of their party ; and of the censure expressed or insinuated by other journals, sympathising with nobody but each other. When Lord Brougham moved, the other night, in the House of Lords, for a copy of the instruc tions issued to the officer in command of her Majesty's ships on the coast of Spain, for preventing the vessels of IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT, THIS DAY. Mr. O'CONNELL thought it right to state that the case that had arisen in Ireland, of a diff,rent chaplain being appointed from the person approved by the diocesan, could not oceur in England, In that country the Roman Catholic clergyman was merely a mis_ sionary, and had no permanent jurisdiction in his parish. The only instance that had occurred in Ireland was where the Grand Jury of the county of Cork had appointed to the situation of Chaplain a person who had no spiritual jurisdiction in the district.—(Hear, hear.) Hr. OLADSTONE thought it would be convenient to the Corn. mittee if the Hon. Member for Knaresboro' would state whether he would accede to the proposition for postponing his amendment. Mr. HAWES hoped the Hon. Member would postpone it, and that in the meantime he would attend to the wording of his amendment, so as to obviate any objections that might arise. He would merely in addi. tion state, that in the Coldbath.fields prison there were 130 Roman Catholies confined. Lord JOHN RUSSELL had entertained great doubts about the pro. priety of introducing such a clause in th e Bi ll, His objection arose from the diffi cu lt y of so guarding it as that the Dissenters, who were in smaller number, might not claim religious instruc. tion on the same principle upon which it had been acceded to the Roman Catholics, and that it would be difficult so to arrange it as to prevent an interference with the proper superintendence and discipline of the prison. Mr. LANGDALE would acquiesce in the suggestion of the Right Hon. Baronet, and postpone the amendment —(Hear.) He hoped, W h en he again brought it forward, it would receive-the favourable considers. tion of Hen. Members opposite. The clause was then agreed to. Clauses up to 12 were agreed to. On clause 13 being proposed, Lord G. SOMERSET proposed to insert the words "after con. viction." Mr. CLAY thought the clause ought to be more carefully considered. Lord J. RUSSELL defended the cause, thinking it would be a benefit to separate persons who might be innocent from the most de praved characters. Sir J. GRAHA 3f concurred in opinion with the Noble Lord. Sir E. WILMOT thought the difficulty might be got over by insert. Lng a proviso to the effect that no separation should take place before ,rial without an order of the visiting Magistrates. After a few remarks from Mr. Hume, Mr. Gibson, and Lord G. Somerset, The clause was postponed. The CHAIRMAN then reported progress. and obtained leave to sit again to-morrow. The House resumed. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said he proposed to l•rocee I with the Irish SPIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS, Sardinia, Rolland, VI- other neutral nations from entering the portk a that country, the First Lord of the Aclm'ralty vapoured very foolishly and e very criminally about a very foolish and a very criminal treaty, as if that treaty could overthrow the law of nations. So long as this offensive va pouring of a senseless and lawless man in high office was continued, the Duke of Wellington thought it his duty to support Lord Brougham's motion. But the First Lord of the Treasury, as well as the First Lord of the Admiralty was present, and the former had saga city enough to perceive that if the bark of the Administra tion was to be saved, his Noble Colleague of the Admi ralty must Le thrown overboard--and overboard accord ing]; the Admiralty Lord went. Lord Melbourne per fectly agreed with every word that every body said against the monstrous argument of his Admiralty Colleague. He admitted that the Quadruple Treaty was no justification of any instructions inimical to neutral rights. He declared loudly that he did not concur w i t h hi s Ad m i ra l ty Colleague in giving to the Quadruple Treaty an interpetration which would have placed England, of necessity, in a state of war with any other country in the world that did as much in favour of Don Carlos as England had bound herself by treaty to do in tivour of the enemies of that Prince. He entreated the House to reject the motion upon the ground, simply and exclusively, that to call for the instructions given to the officer in command of her Majesty's ships on the Coast of Spain would be a source of embarrass ment to the Queen's Government, and detrimental to the public service. This appeal the Duke of Wellington did not think it a duty to withstand, although many Peers who generally vote with the Noble Duke thought it their duty to disregard it. It may seem paradoxical to express the opinion that neither the Noble Duke nor those of his friends who separated themselves from him upon this occa sion were in the wrong. But the only difference between them, as it appears to us, is that they regarded the subject from different points of view. The Noble Duke thought liirnself bound to believe the assertion of Lord Melbourne, or to act as if he believed it ; and, therefore, it was the plain duty of his Grace to dissuade the House from the adoption of a motion for the production of instructions given by the Government to one of its officers, the produc tion of which, according to the solemn deciaration of the head of the Queen's Government, would have been a source of embarrassment to the Government, and of injury to the public service. The Conservative Peers, on the contrary, who voted in favour of Lord Brougham's motion, did not think themselves bound to believe what Lord Melbourne said, and, in fact, did not believe it. They regarded his statement merely as an easy mode of getting rid of an in convenient 'motion. When such men as the Duke of Wellington on the one hand and those Conservative Peers on the other who supported Lord Brougham's motion, take different views of any subject, we feel that there must be some presumption in venturing to decide which of the two views is the more correct. We believe Lord Melbourne's assertion respecting injury to the public service just as little as any of the Peers who refused to allow it any weight. It is clear enough that the lawless instructions were issued. It is clear enough that th e y wou ld h ave b een acted upon had not Sardinia avoided any occasion of calling them into operation. It is clear enough that such instructions as Lord Brougham described are repugnant (for this Lord Melbourne ad mitted) to the law of nations. It is clear enough that there could be no injury to the public service from the publication of instructions which must long ago have been well known to the Powers whom they affected, and against which these Powers bad not (so far as appears) made any remonstrance. These are considerations which must have had much weight, and were entitled to much weight, with the 'great body of any numerous deliberative assembly. But it must be admitted also that the precedent of calling for a copy of instructions to an officer or officers, in de fiance of the opinion thst their promulgation would be de trimental to the public service, pronounced by the head of the existing Government, would have been a precedent which a far-sighted statesman like the Duke of Wellington might justly dread.—Morning Post. SECOND EDITION. SUN OFFICE, Seven o'Clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS. (Continued from our First Edition.) Mr. O'CONNELL said the Noble Lord the Member for Liverpool appeared to have a strange idea about the voluntary principle. The word " toleration" had been used in this debate, but he had hoped that he should net have heard that word made use of in the House.— (Hear, hear.) He denied the right of the House to tell any man not to believe that which his conscience told him to be true. The Hon. Member for Newark had said this was a new principle— Mr. GLADSTONE--In England. Mr. O'CONNELL—It was an old principle in Ireland—there fore he would say, " justice to England."—(Hear, and laughter.) The question was not whether it was a new principle, but whether it was a good principle. The good principle was to forward the morality of every man by instructing him according to his religious persuasion, and he hoped the House would show itself determined to give the relief sought.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. HUME would take leave to ask whether there could be a better time for the reformation of criminals than when they were under soli tary confinement; and looking at the question in a pecuniary point of view, he would ask could a small sum of money be expended in a better way than affording religious instruction to our fellow creatures ? (Hear, hear.) Lord STANLEY said that if by giving a vote in favour of the motion of the Hon. Gentleman opposite he thought he was casting a stigma on the Established Church, he should have great hesitation in doing so. Those who were locked up in gaols were placed in a peculiar position — they wore placed in a pcsiti on by which they were separated from the super intendence and control of those to whom they would resort for religious instruction without imposing any burthen on the State. By adopting the principle of the Hon. Gentleman, they were not introducing any principle that had not already been sanctioned by the Legislature, because it had already been adopted in Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) For his own part he should feel bound to vote in favour of the principle of the amendment proposed by the Hon. Member. He was not willing to lose the opportunity (if opportunity there might be) of reclaiming so large a portion of the vicious and dissolute.—(Hear, hear.) He had made these few observations because he felt himself called upon to state the ground on which he supported the principle in opposition to many of those with whom on Church questions he was generally disposed to act.--(Cheers ) Mr. ESTCOURT felt bound to object to the proposition, because the prisoners were not now without spiritual instruction. Mr. SHEIL wished to call the attention of the House to the Act of Parliament, the 7th Geo. IV., chap. 74, which was introduced by Lord Liverpool, while the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir K. Peel) was at the head of the Home Department, and the Right Hon. Member for Cambridge (Mr. Goulburn) was Secretary for Ireland. That Act allowed the in. troductinn of Chaplains into gaols, not only belonging to the Established Church, but also to the Presbyterian and the Catholic persuasion•. Surely, if the principle were good.in Ireland, it would work well in England. Sir R. PEEL said it was very unfortunate that it was not better known that the question was to come on that day, and he would suggest that it would be better that the Hon. Member should then withdraw his motion, amend it, and bring it under the consideration of the House upon a full notice, upon the third reading of the Bill.—(Hear, hear.) He believed that there were not ten gaols in England in which the Bill would come into operation, and if the principle were good for Shy, why not for five. It was a grave question, and required very great consideration. The question of toleration ought not to be intro duced on such an occasion. He certainly thought it would be a viola.. tion of the principles of toleration, if a Catholic prisoner were obliged to attend upon the ministrations of a worship, in the creed of which he did not believe. A little time for consideration, he thought, would be likely to lead to a good result. Mr.THORNELY wished to mention one fact. It was stated in the Re. port of the Inspectors that in the month of August 1837, there were confined in the Borough gaol of Liverpool, 519 prisoners. Of that number, 214 belonged to the Established Church ; there were 174 Ro man Catholics; Methodists, 8; Baptists 1 ; Unitarians, 2 ; Presbyte. rians, 17; Independents, I.—(A laugh.) Now, it was evident that when there were so many Itoinan Catholics, some religious instruction should be provided, and whenever the Honourable Member for Liverpool brought for s'ard his amendment, he (Mr. Thornely) would give it his decided support. As regarded the other denomination of Dissenter., there was not so much objection on their part to joining in the public worship of the Church of England, but he trusted the pees/gar position in which the Roman Catholics were placed, would induce both sides of the House to give the motion their support when it was next brought forward. Lord SANDON had no objection to accede to the proposition, if it could be done consistently with safety to the interests of the Esta blished Church. THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY, JULY 13, IS3S Tithe 13111 on Monday, and to proceed with the Prisons' fill the lirct t ling to-morrow. The ATTORNEY.GENERAL trusted the Howe would allow him to bring on the Imprisonment for Debt Bill to morrow. He had received letters from every gaol in the kingdom, urging him to press it forward. MORNING SITTINGS. After a short conversation between Mr. HUME and Lord JOHN RUSSELL, Monday next was fixed for Mr. Hume bringing On his motion, that Orders of the Day shoold take prccedenci of Notices of Motion, on Mondays and Thursdays instead of morning sittings. A message from the Lords announced that their Lordships had agreed to a conference upon the Loch Foyle Drainage Bill, which was to be held forthwith in the Committee Room No. 5. ,Sir R. Ferguson and others were appointed to manage the Conference on the part of the House of Commons. The Managers having returned, reported that they had met the Ma!'agers on the paLt of their Lordships, and had left the reasons for disagreeing with their Lordships' amendments with them. The County Treasurers (Ireland) Bill was read a second time. Sir J. Y. BULLER brought up the report of the Committee on ti c Liverpool Clergy Agreement Bill. The lion. Baronet then brought in the Bill, which was lead a first time. - .•• "SS, Lord INGESTRE moved fora return of the evensei of building her i%lajesty's ship Vernon. —Agreed to. Mr. AGLIONBY brought up the report of the Committee on t! e Recovary of Tenements Bill. Mr. R. STEUART brought up the report of the Inspectors cf Prisons —Laid on the table. Sir F. TRENCH gave notice that on Monday he should move for a the rewards offored by the Irish Government for the discovery of offer. ders, and not paid by them. The House then, at Twenty Minutes to Five o'Clock, adjourned. April sale's rates; mid. and defective sorts on the first day went with less spirit, aad more unevenly, at from last sale's prices to 2d discoun t proprivors having met the buyers very freely. For the Madras there was much competition, and the prices obtained are 4d to 6d above those ofthe April sales. Up to this after noon 3347 chests have passed the sale, of which only 300 chests have been bought in and withdrawn, TEA. —With the exception of Bohea, which has been s6old on rather easier terms, prices of other sorts have undergone no variation slice our last report. The demand in the early part attic week was limited fir both Black and Green sorts ; yesterday and today buyers came forward more freely, and purchased at a fair extent at the rates previously established. Up to this afternoon 160,600 packages have passed the sale, of which 34,000 have found buyers. SALTPETRE.—Rough is held for fully previous rates; the purchases, however, have been offered to a limited extent. English Refined has sold steadily at the quotations. On Friday next, 2,500 bags will be offered at auction. This afternoon — the auctions consisted of 3,504 bags, which met a good demand at previous rates, Madras refraction to S per cent. brought 22s to f.:3s, Ca'cutta SA to 3i per cent. 23s 6d to 24s 61 per cwt. Rum, BRANDY, AND Hot-LANns,—The Rum market continues to pre;ent an animated appearance ; there has been a brisk de mand since 'our last report for both Jamaica and rewards, and an advance on f ;rnicT rates of id to Id per gallon have been obtained. Brandy has been taken sparingly, first brands of the vintage of 1836 aro net to be purchased under 3s 7d to 3s Bd. In Geneva the trans. actions have been limited at L,te rates. British Corn Spirits are 10s, there is, however, not much demand. Ou.s—For Linseed Oil there has been a good demand at 26s a 26s 6d. In Rape the purchases have been only to a limited extent at late prices. Palm has sold heavily at 401. ; a good demand has been experienced since our last at prices fully equal to those previously quoted ; at public sale 100 tuns Southern sold at 241 a 2,71 5 s for ord. to good quality. Rice• —East India has been less in request, and a part only of 2.400 bags Bengal at auction, found buyers at 6d decline, good mid and good wh.te selling at 14s ad to 15s 6d, low mid 13s to 133 6d ; the remainder was bought in at 14s 6d to 15s for good mid. TALLow:—This market has become quiet, and prices are not so good as they were last week. The demand for St. Petersburg Yellow Candle f,r consumption has been limited, and 47s 6d to 475. 9d has been ac e Ttc d for first quality. For delivery the operations have been trivial, at 46s 6d per cwt. SPlC ES, — Panento at public sale sold, coarse shippir.g quality at 3Ad., fair 3id. For Pepper there has been a steady request ; went at 3id a 3i-d for good half heavy Eastern, and aid for ord. dusty East India. 4,000 packets &c., Bengal at auction brought 21s 21s 6d for fair. Cinnamon in small parcels continue to find buyers at 3d a 4d profit on late rates. Woot.—i'or. the Colonial there was a brisk demand at prices lid a 2d per lb above those of the last auctions ; East India, Spanish, German, and other kinds sold readily at previous rates. Corrox.—This afternoon 2,330 bales Surat and 1,629 Madras were offered at auction ; of the former only a third part sold at their previous value, ord. at 4d to 4,1 ; of the latter only 50 bales found buyers at 41d for inferior, being late prices. HOUSE OF LORDS. The House met at four o'clock, 'when Lord Sudelcy was introduced by Lords Dinorben and Say and Scle, when he took the oaths and his seat on his elevation to the Peerage. The House resumed at five o'clock, when the Dean Forest and the Dean Forest Mines Bill severally went through Committee, and were o►dered to be read a third time. The Bills on the table were advanced a stage. The Archbishop of CANTERBURY presented several petlt:ols in favour of the Pluralities Abolition Bill. The House then adjourned till Monday. COAL MARKET.-(THIS DAY.) OF THIS EVENING. DOWNING-STREET, JULY 10. The Queen has been pleased to appoint Patrick Francis Gahan, Esq., to be Assistant Judge of the Bahama Islands. DONNING-STREET, JULY 12. The Queen has been pleased to appoint James Laidlaw, Esq., to be Secretary, Registrar, and Clerk of the Council, and Clerk of the Enrollments, in the Island of Dominica. DOWNING-STREET, JULY ]3. The Queen has been pleased to appoint Edward Hay Drummond Hay, Esq., to be Treasurer of the Island of Trinidad. WAR-OFFICE, JULY 13. 4th Regiment of Dragoon Guards—Assistant -Surgeon Alexander MacGregor, M.D., from the 71st Regiment of Foot, to be Assist.. ant-Surgeon, vice L. A. Joseph, who retires upon half-pay, July 13. Bth Regiment of Light Dragoons—Lieutenant R. De Salts, to be Captain, by purchase, vice Shedden, who retires; Cornet C. Smythe to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice De Solis ; J. C. Car. den, Gent., to be Cornet, by purchase, vice Smythe, July 13. - Ist or Grenadier Regiment of Foot Guards—To be Lieutenants and Captains, by purchase.—Ensign and Lieut. J. H. Purves, vice Balfour, who retires, July 13; Ensign and Lieut. E. Goul burn, vice Brooke, who retires, July 14. To be Ensigns and Lieutenants, by purchase.—T. L. Fitzhugh, Gent., vice Mitchell, promoted, July 12 ; H. B. Trelawny, Gent., vice Purve s , promoted, July 13; Hon. R. W. P. Curzon, vice oulburn, promoted, July 14. Ist Regiment of Foot—Captain D. M'Nicol to be Major, with out purchase, vice Wardc, deceased ; Lieutenant J. Sampson to be Captain, vice M'Nicol ; Ensign J. Jardine to be Lieutenant, vice Sampson, May 23; Sorjeant-Major J. M`Court to be Ensign, vice Jardine, July 13. 2d Foot—Surgeon W. H. Young, from the 44th Regiment of Foot, to be Surgeon, vice Harcourt, who exchanges, July 18. 13th Foot—Lieut. C. M. Pocock, from the half-pay of the 2d Light Dragoons of the King's German Legion, to be Lieutenant, vice Colborne, appointed to the 25th Regiment of Foot, July 13. 15th Foot—Lieut.-Col. Lord C. Wellesley, from half-pay Un attached, to be Lieutenant-Colonel, vice G. W. Horton, who ex changes, receiving the difference, July 13. 25th Foot—Lieut. J. Colborne, from the 13th Regimeut of Foot, to be Lieutenant, without purchase, vice Spalding, promoted, July 13. 44th Foot--Surgeon J. Harcourt, from the 2d Regiment of Foot, to be Surg eon, vice Young, w h o exchanges , July 13. 70th Foot--Srgeant-Maj or G. E vatt to be Ensign, Without purchase, vice Costobadie, promoted, July 13. 71st Foot—G. S. Bea tson, M.D., tabs Assistant-Surgeon ' vice MacGregor, appointed to the 4th Dragoon Guards, July , 13. 80th Foot—Lieut. R. A. Lockart to be Captain, by purchase, vice Kane, who retires ; Ensign S. T. Christie to be Lieute nant, by purchase, vice Lockart; A. Ormsby, Gent., to be En sign, by purchase, vice Christie, July 13. 86th Foot—Capt. J. E. Dickenson, from the 2d West India Regiment, to be Captain, vice Cobbe, who exchanges, July 13. 94th Foot—Staff -Assistant-Surgeon J. G. P. Moore to be As sistant-Surgeon, vice Still, wh o exc h anges , J u l y 13. 95th Foot—Lieut. J. Wood, from the 2d West India Regiment, to be Lieutenant, vice Graham, who retires, July 13. 2d West India Regiment—Capt. H. C. Cobbe, from the 86th Regiment of Foot to be Captain, vice Dickenson, who exchanges; Ensign B. O'Brien to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Wood, appointed to the 95th Regiment of Foot, July 13. STAFF. Major It. Macdonald, of the 54th Regiment of Foot, to be De puty Adjutant-General to the Troops serving at Bombay, with the rank of Lieutenant -Colonel in the Army, July 13. HOSPITAL STAFF. Assistant-Surgeon C. S. Still, from the 94th Regiment of Foot, to be Assistant-Surgeon to the Forces, vice Moore, who exchanges, July 13. Memoitartnnivr.—Captain T. L. L. Galloway, of the 10th Regiment of Foot, is promoted to the Brevet rank of Major, from the 28th June, 1838, and not Captain T. J. Galloway, of the 33d Regiment of Foot. The exchange between Lieutenant G. W. Fordyce, of the 74th Regiment of Foot, and Lieutenant J. Fowle, of the 99th Regiment of Foot, as stated in the " Gazette" of the 15th June, has not taken place. DECLARATION OF INSOLVENCY. JOSEPH HAIGH, dyer, Meltham, Yorkshire. BAKRUPTS. JO SEPH NEWSOME and JOHN NEWSOME, fancy ma. nufaeturers, Almondbury, Yorkshire, to surrender Aug. 3 and 24, at ten, a t t h e George Inn, Huddersfield. Battye, Fisher, and Su(Ilow, Chanc er y -l ane, London ; Leadbeater, Mirfield. HUGH MAC KAY , ta i lor, Manchester July 2t and Aug. 24, at [ten, a t t h e Commissioners'-rooms, Manchester. Clarke and Medealf e , Li ncoln ' s Inn-fields, London ; Smith, Manchester. JESSE HOLLIS, builder, New Windsor, Berks, July 20, at two, a n d A ugust 24, at eleven, at thn Court of Bankruptey. Belcher,' , Commons. assignee; Burn, Great Carter-lane, Doctors JOHN L OVELL, plumber, Leamington-priors, Warwick, July 27 . and Aug. 24, at twelve, at th e L ans d owne Hote l , Leamington min priors. ton. Shirreff, Lineoln's-inn-fi e ld s , L on d on ; Empson, Lea g COURSE OF EX CHI Olasterdarn ............... C.F. 12 Ittto, at sight ............... . 12 SS, At. rtittin .................. 2 U. 12 7 AntWerp... ...................... 12 s'-4 Ilitithotg. ........ 13 134 Altona ..... ...... ........... 13 13% Nils, 3 days' 25 CU B M(Mtn .............. 3 Ms. 25 ti.) arseilles. ................. 25 95 Baurtleaux ........ ...... 25 95 Frankfort on Maine Ex. M. 154 Pete shuigh, ruble..., Us. 10 0 Derl ....................... . ..... 7 3 Vi,ina, effective 111. 10 11 rizste ...... ............... 10 1. Malrld ........... ..... 37 C.tdi z.... ..... 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(From the New L ondon Price Current of thi s E evninz) SUGAR.--Fur Briti s h Pl antation there was a good demand in the early part of th e wee k : the refiners were the principal b uyers, and th e rates previously established were supported ; on Tuesday the purchases amounted to 600, and on W e d nes d ay to 1,000 hhds and t rs, b esides on ::: former day 129 hhds Barb a d oes at auction fetched former rates; ord to fine brought 57s 6d to 63s 6d; yesterday, however, there was less business doing, the quantity sold amounting to only 400 hhds and trs at former prices; lowish yellow and grey Sugars have been sold at 538 to descriptions; Lumps 545, mid ditto 55s to 57*, good 57s Gd to 59s 6d, and a fine board of Antigua was sold at Gls 6d. There has been more activity in the Refined Market this week ; a go id demand has been experienced for Lrocery rather`under the standard have brought 743 to 74s 6d, and those passi ng 75s ; the shippers have come forward more freely, and busiuess to a fair extent has been transacted in double Crushed at 33s Gd to 345. and fur_ er purchases could not he made excepting t t the latter figur e , Mattitit Jos.—lids afternoon there was only a limited business doing, and 4,004 bags at auction sold 6d to Is lower, the greater doing, the on the brown descriptions, good mid and good blight yellow brought 55s to 575, low and mid with strength 51s to 535, mid and good brown 49s to 50s Gd, ord 45s 6d, black 40s per cwt. FAST INDIA.—This afternoon Bengal was less in request, and 3,035 bags at auction went a t ra th er l ower rates for the ord kinds, the better sorts supported their former currency, one tot very fine white brought 665, fine 63s 6.1 a 64 Gd, mid 61s 6d a 62, rather dingy 60s gd a 61s ord 3 9s Gd, claws 60s 6d a 6's, washed 590 a 63s 6d, strong sound yell ow 5 98 a t9s 6,1, mid 57s a 59s 6,1, damps 578 a 58. COPFEE.—This afternoon 3,107 bags Brazil were offered at auction, ati of which found buyers, but at a reduction on previous rates of Is on g od ord., and Is 6d on ord. descriptions, the former with Colour 'went at 37s a 395, and the latter 34s 6d a 365. British Plantation continues to sel. freely : at auction 11/ casks Jamaica went again rather dearer for the lower qualities; the better iv. its brought full prices, and in some instances they were a shade higher; fine sold at 129 s to 1308, middling and low m idd l i ng 1033 to 1103, good ord. brown 98s to I 00s. Ceylon dearer, is also in good request for consumption ; 4,017 bags auction went 2s nrd. sold at 83s to 84s, good and fine ord. 86e to 88s per cwt . Imosco —The large public sales consisting of 9582 chests East India, c ommenced on Tuesday last, in the presence of a numerous attendance of the trade. They have generally brought 2d to 4d advance, on the Ships arrived since last market-day. 40. Per Ton. s. d. Cer iou s. 4. Adair's Crirster Blain P4ntop Windsor lB 3 Walls End Adelaidc.... Russell's High Main l6 - Walls End Barrington' Ices... 10 3 South Tanfield VI , ylArn Walls End Heaton 2O 9 Walls End Tees 2l 6 Walls End Hilda Walls End Killingworth Walls End Braddyll's Helton 22 6 Blythe 's 9 Walls End Haswell Walls End Helton 23 0 Silkstone Wilson l7 9 Walls End Lambton 23 0 Walls End Devonshire l9 0 Walls End Russel's Helton... 22 9 Walls. End E1gin....... 2O 6 THE LONDON GAZETTE ST. JAMES'S PALACE, Juwz 20, 1838. The Queen was this day pleased to confer the honour of Knight hood upon Thomas Newley Reeve, Esq., Standard B earer; and Benjamin Smith, E sq ., S en i or M em b er , o f her Majesty's Honour able Corps of Gentlemen at Arms. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COHMONS, JuLr 12. (Continued from our First Edition of yesterday.) CONVEYANCE OF MAILS BY RAILWAYS. Sir JAMES GRA FIAM would take the liberty of making a suggestion to the Right Honourable Gentle man, the President of the Board of Trade, relative to the Bill for the conveyance of Mails by Railways. He found that many most objectionable alterations had been made in the arbitration clauses upon, which the greatest differ ence of opinion existed, and was likely to arise between the railway proprietors and the Right Hon. Gentleman. The course he would suggest was that they should go into Com mittee on the Bill proforma—to have the Bill printed with theNlterations, and then the House would be able to see the Bill in its perfect shape, so as distinctly to understand the subject matter under discussion. Mr. LABOUCHE RE would have no objection to accede to the proposition. Lord G. SOMERSET complained of the great incon venience that arose from these discussions, and he would move that the Bill be re-committed. Mr. HEATHCOTE had a great objection to Bills of this nature, which were merely experiments upon the county rates. Mr. M A ULE objected to the re-committal of the Bill, as setting? bad precedent. Dr: NICH . OLL asked if Clause A was in the Bill whet committed. He considered it a most objectionable clause, enabling the Inspectors to saddle the country with any ex. pence they chose. Mr. G b ULB URN thought tho Bill should bo re-commi ed to discuss that clause. Mr. MA UL E said he would bring the Bill on again to. morrow, with the Highway Rates Bill, and Imprisonment for Debt Bill. COPYHOLD BILLS. Mr. J. HEATH COTE wished to ask the Hon. and Learned Attorney-General whether it was his intention to proceed with the Copyhold Bills this Session ? He merely asked this question in order that it might be properly understood in the country. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that two of the Bills were in Select Committee at present ; it was his intention that they should be reported, and go through a Committee pro forma.—(Hear, hear.) He should then move that the Bills be re-printed, in order that they might be placed be fore the country, but he should not take any further steps dur ing the present Session. BANKRUPTS' ESTATES (SCOTLAND) BILL. The LORD ADVOCATE moved the further considera tion of the Bankrupts' Estates (Scotland) Bill. Sir WILLIAM RAE wished to know whether it was intended to proceed with a Bill which made such an immense change in the law, at this period of the Session ? Here was a Bill which had taken four or five years to prepare, and in which there were not less than 145 clauses, and at this period of the Session, it could not be expected to pass both Houses. It was intended to throw the blame on the House of Lords of rejecting the Bill, and he did not think that was a fair position in which to place that House. He trusted that it would be withdrawn until the next session, and then brought fairly before the House. He moved that it be further considered that day mouth. The LORD ADVOCATE was rather surprised at the tone of his Right Hon. Friend. No doubt this Bill had been before the house for fire years, but similar Bills had been before the House 12 or 15 years, and it was extremely difficult to obviate the various objections made to the Bill. If there was any ground for further deliberation he had no objection to give the opportunity. If his Right Hon. Friend had adopted a different tone, he might perhaps have been disposed to ac cede to his suggestions, but under the present circumstances be could not. If any Member in Committee could show any ob jection to any of the clauses, he would give the matter further consideration. The gallery was then cleared and the House divided, when there appeared..._ For the motion For the amendment j Ma 28 After some further discussion the LORD ADVOCATE postponed the consideration of the Report till Saturday. PAR LIAMENTARY BURGHS (SCOTLAND). Mr. FOX MAUL E moved that the House do resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House on the Parlia mentary Burghs (Scotland) Bill. Sir W. RAE moved that the Bill be postponed till this day three months. Mr. MA ULE said it was most important this Bill should piss to enable the Parliamentary burghs to make provision for their self government. He knew that Scotland fully appreciated the justice of this Bill, and no objection to it had proceeded from that country. Captain GORDON said it was a mistake to suppose there was no objection to the Bill, because he had received a petition from Leith, which he had not as yet an opportunity of presenting, strongly deprecating the Mr. GILLON said the better way would be to postpone the Bill. The LORD ADVOCATE said the petition alluded to was signed by only sixty persons, and that circumstance showed that there was a general feeling in favour of the Bill. Mr. GOULB URN believed the idea of passing the Bill this session was not very prevalent in Scctland. Strangers were theft ordered to withdraw. The House divided, when there appeared— For the motion 56 For the amendment 36 Majority After a few words from Mr. GILLON, the Bill went into Committee pro forma. On the motion of the SOLICITOR-GENERAL, the Public Records Bill was read a second time and ordered to be committed to-morrow. Mr. BE RNA L brought up the Report of the Committee on the Dublin Police Bill. Mr. PR YM E gave notice, that on the motion for going into Committee on the Rating of Tenements Bill to-morrow, he should move that it be committed that day six months. The House then, at four o'clock, adjourned. The House met again at six o'clock. Lord G. SOMERSET presented a petition numerously signed by cotton-spinners and factory proprietors, praying for an alteration in the laws regulating the hours of factory labour. Lord' A SH LE Y presented a similar petition, signed by 500 women connected with the cotton factories. Mr. HUME rose to address the House upon some subject not in the papers for the day, when Lord A SHL E kr rose to order, and said that his motion re lative to the Factory Bill was entitled, as it was the first notice in the paper, to precedence. Mr. GILLON then moved that the House be counted, when, as there were not forty Members present, an immediate adjournment was the consequence. HOUSE OF LORDS, JULY 12. The Lord CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack a the usual — QUALIFICATION OF MEMBERS BILL. This Bill was brought up from the Commons, as were se. vcral other Bills whose titles did not reach us. MAYNOOTH COLLEGE. The Duke of RUTLAND presented a petition from Great Grimston against any further grant to Maynooth College. Lord KENYON presented a similar petition from certain Clergy of the county of Norfolk. IRISH MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS BILL. Viscount MELBOURNE presented a petition in favour of this Bill, we did not collect whence. IRISH POOR. The Earl of DEVON asked whether any measure was prepared for giving facilities to owners of land in Ireland to employ the poor? give Viscoun t spec ifi M c a ELBOURNE was und erstood to say he could no nswer. Lord WHA RNCLIFFE postponed the motion of which he had given notice for to-morrow, on the subject of Lords lieutenants of counties. AFFIRMATION BILL. Lord DENMAN moved the second reading of this Bill. The Duke of WELLINGTON suggested that it should be provided that a certificate of issent should h ave been talm out by parties, renewable every' year, without the incurring of expense. BIRMINGHAM. The Earl of RIPON wished to ask the Noble Marquis whether a petition had not been received from Birming ham against the grant of a charter for a corporation to that town, and whether the Privy Council had yet come to a decision on the subject ? The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said in consequence of some misapprehension, the persons alluded to had been in duced to send up this petition requesting delay, that they might have an opportunity of inquiring into the subject. As to the progress made as regarded the granting the corporation to Birmingham, his Noble Friend must be aware that he had no means of advancing the matter any more than any other member of the Committee of the Privy Council, LOUGH FOYLE. The Earl of WICKLOW wished to call the attention of their Lordships to a message sent from the House of Com mons a few nights ago for a conference on the subject of Lough Foyle Drainage Bill. The parties were being de tained in town at great expense. Lord BROUG Li AM said that it was his fault that the conference bad not been asked for. He would recommend that it should take place at half-past four o'clock to-morrow. MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS (IRELAND) BILL. The order of the day for the House to go into Committee on the Municipal Corporations (Ireland) Bill having been read, Lord LYNDHURST said that his Noble Friend the Noble Duke in the last session of Parliament-stated to their Lordships that he conceived, from the prospect of a Bill for the proper settlement of the question of Irish tithes being pro bably passed, and also from the circumstance that it was likely that a Bill to grant relief to the poor in Ireland would also pass, the most serious part of the difficulties connected with the measure now before their Lordships would by them be removed; and the Noble Viscount at that time at the head of the Government expressed his satisfaction at the communicas tion made by the Noble Duke, but at the same time he took occasion to state to their Lordships that he did not very dis tinctly see what connection there was between the question of Irish tithes and that of granting Municipal Corporations to Ireland. He (Lord Lyndhurst) believed that if the Noble Viscount did not see the connection between the two ques tions, as he protested he did not, be was the only individual in that House who was unable to discover it. For several years the subject of Irish tithes had created very great agitation in Ireland, and persons had been from time to time most active in their opposition to their continuance. It had been considered that the Corporations established in Ireland were for the most part established to protect the Protestant religion and the Church in that country—(Hear, hear)—and it was no doubt considered by the Noble Duke, and certainly by him, that it was of great importance that the barrier should not be removed, but still more that it was of greater importance that, in removing it, Corporations of a different tendency should not be established until the great question of reli gion in Ireland should be set at rest; and the Noble Duke reverted to this course of proceeding when he made the remark to which he had already alluded. Now, at this moment they bad reasonable expectation that the ques tion of Tithes would be brought to a proper settlement ; and with respect to the other, that of the Pcor-law, it connected itself with this subject in a most important way. For the pur pose of establishing Corporations in Ireland in which persons in this part of the country might be disposed to place confi dence, it was necessary that they should be able to establish a qualification which might be considered secure and substantial. It was idle to talk of a 10/. value unless they had something by which they might put the value to the test. When he said this he had only to refer their Lordships to the evidence which had been taken before the Committee of the other House of Parliament on the subject of fictitious votes, In order to show them how little reliance could be placed in a qualification of this sort, unless it was measured and checked by something else; and it was conceded by the Noble Duke when he made the statement to which he had before alluded, that there was no doubt that, if the system of rating under the Poor-law should be established, a sufficient check and test with respect to the qualification would ba afforded, which would guarantee security here -as well as in Ire land, that it would not be merely a nom'n .1 qualification, and that this plan would answer the purpose. These two measures, although they had not actually passed, were in progress, and lie had already expressed his opinion in re spect of one of them, and he had seen, in the progress of it, nothing to induce him to alter that opinion; but when lie found that it was so different from that entertained by the great majority of their Lordship 3, he did not think it necessary to press his opposition to the measure further, and he would say nothing snore of it now. There was a test of rating given by that Bill which might he apdlied to the Municipal Corpo ration Bill, and which he trusted would be a sufficiently secure and substantial qualification. These were the only general observations which it was his intention to make with respect to this measure, and ho wou!d now come to the notice of those particular amendments which it was his intention to propose to the House, and he wculd not go out of the way to state a single fact or circumstance, except to render them intelLgi ble ai far as possible. First of all, tilt re were two schedules, connected with this Bill, schedule A aria schedule IL Sche dule A contained a list of eleven cities and towns, each of which contained not only a considerable but an extensive population. 'There was no intention, he bel:evtd, on the part of any N o bl e L or d on that side of th e House to exc e pt t o the granting of Corporations to the cities mentioned in this schedule, according to the conditions ultimately specified in the Bill ; but when the cane to schedule B they would fled it contained a list of towns which were very different kens those mentioned in =clicdule A, and which were evidentlycon sidered so by the framers of the Bill, from the fact of their being inserted in another schedule. They were different in population, and in this circumstance, that few of them pos. sessed property to any considerable amount, while many of them were in the possession of none at all. Now, it had oc curred to him and many other Noble Lords that it would be highly unjust in them to force on these towns Corporations under the Bill, which, with all the various provisions contained in it, could not be given without very charges being produced by it, and therefOre they thought that they should not Create these expenses by granting to these towns, or ra ther by imposing co them, Corp - orations ; but it should rather be left to the towns themselves to apply, if they thought proper, to the Crown for charters to be granted to them, corresponding in form and character with those given under this Bill. He should, therefore, pro pose that if the majority of the rated inhabitants of any of the towns—rated to the amount mentioned in the Bill— shoultl think proper to apply to the Crown for a charter, such as those provided to the towns in schedule A, it should be optional in it to grant it. They thought also that a certain time only should be allowed, within which such an al-plication should be made, and if, at the expiration of that time, none should have been made by these towns for the pur pose of having charters granted to them, they then thought that the Corporations at present in existence should terminate, and that the management of the"affairs, of the pecuniary affairs, of the town, and of the other duties ne cessary to be provided for, should be vested in Commis sioners elected by a majority of the persons who would have been entitled to vote on the election of officers under the Corporation, if it was granted. This, then, was the first amendment which he meant to propose, and he did not ex- Lord DENMAN had no objection to insert such a provision. Lord A SHB URTON thought it would have been better to introduce a general rneisure rather than one applicable only to particular sects. _ The Earl of lIADDINGTON hoped the provisions of the Bill would not to extend to Scotland. The Earl of WICKLOW could see no reason why the Bill, if pas - 4ed at all, should not extend to Scotland as well as to England and Ireland. If a division were come to, he should vo:c against it. The Earl of CAM PE R DOWN was understood to concur in the impropriety of extending the Bill to Scotland, in the abience of any opinion on the subject having been taken of the judges there. Lord ASHBURTON moved that the Bill be read a second time that day silt months. Lord DENMAN supported the Bill. Lord A SHBURTON vvould not persist in his amendment at pr2sent._ The Duke of WELLINGTON had recommended that the Biil should 13.! withdrawn for the Session, because he was anx;ous that it should secure the sanction of the Judges before it passed. Thole learned persons were better able than any others to form a sound judgment as to whether or not the Bill should pass, and it was chiefly by their opinions that he should be guided on this occasion. Lord DENMAN observed that this measure had been in troduced in consequence of a case tried at Lancaster, and afterwards brought before the Judges in the Exchequer. In consequence of the administration of justice being stopped in this ca,c, by this defect in the law, the Jud ges seeme d to re gard it as a case of great hardship, and thought that the law should be remedied to meet such cases. Lord BROUGHAM thought that if there was an intention to oppose this Bill it would be better to do so when it was printed in its amended shape. The House then resolved itself into Committee. Lord ASHBURTON wished to know whether under this Bill Jews would not be admissible to seats in Parliament ? Lord DENMAN replied that it only applied to witnesses in Courts of Justice, and deponents on oath in other places. Lord ASHBURTON asked whtther the word ." place" might not be held to include Parliament? Lord BROUGHAM stated that the words in the clause were, " being witness in any proceeding, civil or criminal, or deponent in any Court or place where an oath by law is re quired." This was quite sufficient to exclude the class stated by his Noble Friend from the operation of this Bill. With respect, however, to the objection, the persons who took oaths of qua lification to office did not depone, and the clause required tint the party exempted under this Bill should be either jury, wit ness, or deponent. The Earl of HADDINGTON moved that a clause should be inserted preventing the extension of this Bill to Scotland. Lord BROUG 11 AM agreed in the observation of the Noble Earl, but he would recommend him not to rely too much on the outward solemnity of administering an oath in Scotland. Lord DE NM A N would not divide the House on the amend ment. A number of verbal amendments were introduced into seve ral olauses, and the House resumed. THE MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS (IRELAND) BILL. The Marquis of D 0 WNS HIRE presented a petition from the Recorder and clerks of several guilds of the City of Dub lin, praying that in the Irish Corporation Bill regard would be bad to their vested rights. The Noble Marquis also pre sented similar petitions from the masters and wardens of the guild of Smiths and other trades in the City of Dublin ; and also from the register and deputy of the Coort of Conscience of the City of Dublin. The Earl of HAD DINGTO N preiented a similar petition from the turncocks under the Pipe-water Commission of th e City of Dublin. pelt that oil the part of the Noble Viscount any objection would be made to no proposition, and the reason was, that it was a mere repetition of the proposition made in the other House of Parliament, which was not objected to, and which, as he understood, was not adopted merely from the circumstance of a more material amendment having been !ejected in consequence of which no alteration was made in the Bill. Now, passing this over, he came to the second and mi.ro material amendment. It related t o th e qualification ; and it was, in fact, almost the only material and essential amendment to the Bill. It was proposed that the qualificatiora should be similar to that which was in existence in Scotland —the occupancy of a house of the value of 101. That was the qualification whicls he meant to propose. He had already said that it would be icti to do nothing further than to say that every person occupying a house of the value of 51. ought to vote, because they knew from the evidence that such a qua lification was altogether illusory. He would not go into a de tail of the evidence, because Noble Lords had doubtless either read the evidence, or they had had their attention referred to the subject; but he would point out to them the evidence of one individual, Mr. L...eei of the county of Cork. It had been already referred to in Oscussions upon this subject, and the witness was beyond all exception, on account of his pri vate character, and b ecause , po ,i itie"llY, he was favourable to the present Government. From . his testimony it appeared that a great number of persons, a mu. i it ode of persons, who, for the purpose of avoiding th e paymeest of rates, declared their property, and on oath, t o b e un d er t h e value of 51., wer e • afterwards put on the register in or d er to enti *le them to vote at the election of Members of Parli ament .—( Oar.) So that when they came to be called on for the p a y men t oi : money the property was sworn to be under the v a l ue o f 5/. ,:nd then, when they came to the register for the purpose of thee being entitled to vote, it was sworn to be of the value of la Such was the reliance to be placed on a m. re money qualifis'e tion, unchecked by any other test. This did not occur' in ono or two instances only, however, but innumerable eases occurred. For instance, persons were known to have been rated at more than 5/., and they had appealed against the rate, and then, although they had s ucc ee d e d, they were afterwards placed upon the regist e r in or d er t o entitle them to vote.—(Hear, hear.) Again, there was a large class of perons' houses, as it was contended, undet the value of 101., anu to whom it was of importance, let order that they might is!'tain some advantage under the excise laws,, that they should be rated at an amount of bl They had been se rated, but s cbsequently they had pro cured their names to be placed or. the register as holding houses of the value of 10/. These Ce:SCS were not few, and he believed that, out of two hundred pe:sons in the situa tion he had described, ninety-two had been g' - uilty of the con duct he had stated, and were registered as hoi:lers over the value of 10/. in order to entitle them to vote. He mentioned these only as instances, however; and thousands of cases of a evidence similar description were to be found i n th e mass o f collected by the Committee, and their Lordships would !here fore see that some test was necessary besides that which was proposed, and in which there was a pecuniary interest involve 1 . He knew no other test which could be better than that which he proposed should be taken, and he therefore said that they were not to limit the qualification to a house of 101. value, but of 10/. value as proved by the rate. But then another ques tion arose. What rate? A- rate of what amount ? A bona fide 101. value was what they said :ight to be the elective f ranc hi se , and then l e t t h em i nqu i re what ; a house of 10/. val ue . H e considered a hou se o f 101. va l ue to be a house whi c h wou ld ,-(1 give to th e l an dl or d 10 / . rent, the landlo paying such charges as were necessary to enable him to commahei such a rent—not the value of repairs this day or this hour, bat the average amount of repairs necessary to enable him to c ommand the rent. An article was worth what it would sell for, sizid there fire he apprehended that he had stated it correctly when be said that the test should bee house of the annual value of 10/., which must be a house which, let to the tenant year by year, and the tenant payi ng th e usua l c h arges, s h ou ld b r i ng to the landlord 101. rent after he had paid the average amount of those charges necessary to keep the house in repair. Ho hoped he made himself understood.—(Hear.) That, then, was the principle upon which he proposed to proceed—it was the basis of the whole argument. Then they were to check this by rating. It was necessary to see first what was the value of rating. A Bill was passed through Parliament two years ago with respect to the system of rating in England ; and the estimate of the value of it in that Bill corresponded with the description which he had given their Lordships. He alluded to Mr. Poulett Scrope's Bill. Now, in that Biil, which had come into operation under the Poor-law Commissioners, the value was taken thus :--what the tenement ;would let for from year to year, the tenant paying the usual charges, deducting from it the amount of repairs, and the amount of insurance to be pad by the landlord, in order to enable him to command t,'Je rent. The plan in the Act of Parliament corresponded, therefore, pre cisely with the mode o f ascer t a i n i ng t h e year l y value which he bad stated, and therefore, if the rating swere to i !)e under Mr. Poulett Scrope's Bill, w hi c h a ppli e d on l y to E n g land, the rated value would correspond with the clear yearly vatoe as ho had stated. But there was another proposition to be oken into account, which was the rating under the Poor Relief Act, which was in a manner different from that under the Bill to which he had referred. He would not go into the minute particulars connected with this Bill, because it would be diffi cult, without much consideration, to communicate all the lir ; guments upon the subject to the House, but the result was this, that the rating under the Poor Relief Bill was precisely l the same in its result as that under Mr. Scrope's Bill. There ! fore, if they l• ,d the rating under the Poor - Relief Bill, the rating of tenements, it would correspond precisely with what. he had already stated to be the clear yearly value of the tene ment, and every holder of a house of 101. annual value would have aright to vote. Now, if he had made himself intellisible, he would go to the only remaining pointto which he would will their attention, and it was an important point, and that on which the whole question turned. In England the Parliamentary francNise was the yearly value of 10/. ; in Ireland the parliamentary franchise was the yearly value of 101. ; in Scotland the muni cipal franchise was the clear yearly value of 101. Now, on the appeals in relation to the parliamentary franchise in Eng land to the revising barristers, they had never in any instance, or only in one or two, deducted the landlord's repairs, the consequence of which was, the ealue of a 101. tenement in England was also then the clear annual value to which be had referred. It was less than the clear annual value de noted by the rating under Mr. Poulett Scrope's Bill, or under the Poor Relief Bill, and it was so much under it as the amount of the landlord's repairs and insurance. Now, he did not think that the revving barristers had done right ; but it bad been the practice in England so to decide. Then this was the whole argument in the other House, and the question in contest between them was, whether it should be the clear annual value of 101. But then it was said that this could render the value higher in Ireland than in England. He could not stand up for this ; for the estimated value in Ireland should correspond pre cisely with some definite value under the Poor Relief Bill. But he added to the rated value the amount. of the repairs, and of the insurance; and he said that the lot value should be measured by the aggregate of these three sun's ; and if it thisc r w r a e w s s apssoon: d i p t oe w xi na a te s toldyfeinw very i o t n h s g t tr r he ab eatp l e rnati nicety te a it t eya t ilhnev value v tl st a i l ed u ei e tna i n EI sn lr a e ln l a a dn r. dr a c. q w :sru o i ro u ,7 ld d, the minutest inspection of the clauses of the Bill ; but be was quite satisfied that there was no Noble Lord who would d_ l i i r l ect his att en ti on to the subject, taking these clauses in the B intoa (correspond would account, who would with not the say that practical the valuecertainin E value nglnn i d n . He Ire ni proposed, therefore, to amend the clause; and he had bet ter at this stage read the form of the amendment. The quali fication now was 5/., and he proposed to raise it to 101., and then the p o i nt was h ow the 101. was to be measured. His av a sa m l hu e e n e rdoemifneannfttoetwr lessams e ' n ` tt hi T oan h nt e , di .o qualification t question ascertainedeosut liodnbweaansodfwdhee thete t hr yearlyni n House would acce d e to the proposition for raising the value to 101., and the nea t was whether they thought his mode of er th ed e as certaining the va l ue was correct. He proposed to continue his amendment, "and such yearly value shall be ascertained and determined in the manner following, and not otherwise, that is to say, it shall be composed of the value of the pre mises rated, as they are hereby required to be under the pro visions of an Act made and passed in the present session of Parliament, entitled An Act for the Relief of the Poor in Ireland,' and of the amount of the sum at which the landlord's repairs and insurance is estimated in such rate." Their Lordships were already aware that by an amend ment introduced into the Poor Relief Bill, there was a schedule attached to it in reference to the rating, in one column of which were mentioned the landlord's repairs, while in the other the insurance was set out. The Poor-h - ets Commissioners were to appoint valuers, and the valuers were to act ender their orders, and the rates were to be made under their direction, and these points were to be ascertained in the rate, arid the persons, there fore, who were to decid e on the qualification would have t oity o take the three sums which he mentioned. had He would now state the effect of his amendment. The was to be 10/., w hi ch should be • clear y e a r ly va l ue estimated in thi s manner ; they should t a k e the amount of the g rating of the tenement, and to that amount of rating they would and what appearsd in the c o l umn of repairs, and what appeared in the column of insuran ce , an d i f these three sums amount e d t o 10/, that constituted a t enement of the value of 101., which would en title the p arty to vote. There would be na room f or f rau d because it wou ld b e done under the Poor-law Com m i ss i oners, and ther e f ore, i f any of these. items h were in correc tl y stated, right the pa r ty aggr i eved had atto apply, not to the Re vising B arr i ster, or to the Assistant Barrister •to Assistant Barrister sitting with the 13ni. t; theh lagistrates o. the county, who were to decide on the • Now, lie would, with the permission validity of the return.' that which he had stated before, of the House, repeat for very great consideration. The resultthe matter required would make the valuation in I- . would be this, that it with that which wvsthe in e and to correspond exactly test ln valuation under the Municipal c oland ;it would make the pond exactly with the valluati orporations in Ireland corres practice in England, and he this" under the Parliamentary that it should be placed on a diffught that no one could desire said here that a person occu • crent or better footing. They had a right to vote, and thePling a house of lot yearly value house in Ireland of the value said also th at a person having a should have a righ t to vet of 101., esti mate d as i n England, borough i n w hi ch he resided for the election of officers of the amendments which he • Now these were two of the he said so, he begged intended to propose, and, when he was the mere or a that it might be understood that milted them to the I g n 7 of others, at whose desire he sub drawn lo use. draw The amendments were not alone nup or suggested by • by many Noble Lords him, but they had been agreed to consideration. Anoth a fter a very great deal of discussion and was with respect to t Anothe r amendment which he should suggest property char;tabl • trustees.. There was in Ireland extcnswe posed that in the y given for Protestant purposes, and he prd . administration of it none but Protestants should be conceri ed fo r h, di He would not go further into the sub ject,d not think it seas a matt matter into which it was nes ,L J