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BENEFICES PLURALITIES BILL. On the motion of Lord .1. RUSSELL the consideration of the Lords' amendments upon this Bill was postpor.ed till to- MO!' ow. The Prisons (\Vest Indies) Bill passed through Committee. On the Order of the Day for the third reading of the Post office Bill, Mr. WALLACE remarked on the inconvenience attend ing the selection of Falmouth, as a packet station to the Me diterranean.—The Bill then passed. PENSION LIST. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EX CHEQUER, the House resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House on the Civil List Act ; Mr. BERNAL in the chair. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated that he now rose to bring under the consideration of the House what he hoped would turn out to be a final settlement of a long disputed question ; and he must confess that he approached the question with feelings of deep anxiety. It would be in the recollection of the House, that in the month of December last a Committee was appointed upon the subject of the Civil List Pensions. That Committee sat for thirty-five days ; it was attended by the great bulk of the members, and he re joiced that by the regulation that had been adopted, not only a full attendance of Members was ensured, but the votes they had given were placed before the public. He was fully justified in stating that the report had been unanimously agreed to ; and when gentlemen read the names of those who served upon the Committee, they would see the public was fairly represented in it. The first question which came before the Committee was, whether, upon the first showing, one particular class of pen sions should be placed in class 1, without further evidence than they themselves afforded? On that question several divisions took place. After having completed the first branch of the inquiry, the Committee resumed its operation on that part of the in quiry which had been reserved. Indeed he must take the liberty of saying on behalf of the Committee, that nothing could have been more sedulous or industrious than the discharge of the very delicate duty the Committee had to go through. The Committee then proceeded to classify the pensions, and that system of classification would appear in the Report, and they were brought as nearly as they possibly could be un der the different heads of service to which they were applicable. In the appendix the services of the pensioner or his family, which the Committee had relied on, were recited ; and he must say, and he said it with great pride, that the recital of the services contained in the Appendix did the greatest possible honour to the various branches of the public service, and would constitute a memorial of those services, which, if there was no other result derived from the Committee (and he thought there were important and useful results), was a matter not unimportant to the House or the country. Upon the completion of the enquiry he saw nothing that could induce him in th e slightest degree to regret the step he took in proposing th e appointment of the Committee. On the contrary, he believed he might appeal to those Members of the Committee, who might have entered into the examination of the list indisposed to approve of the pension list, whether many of the objec tions they previously might have had, had not been removed by the examination that had taken place. The Right Hon. Gentleman proceeded to state that against no class of pensions had greater prejudice been excited than against those granted to foreigners, especially to foreign ladies. Now there were two foreign ladies of distinction upon the Pension List. They were the daughters of the late Mareschal Duc de Biron, and the story of their pension was as follows :—Shortly before the late Admiral Rodney sailed to the West Indies in command, he was at Paris, and, falling into embarrassments, was arrested for debt. The Mareschal heard of the circumstance, and imme diately paid the debt; in consequence of which the Ad miral assumed the command of the fleet, which sailed to the West Indies, and achieved so splendid a victory. Many years after, when the vicissitudes of the revolution had overturned France, the daughters of the Mareschal were in this country in poverty. His late Majesty, hearing the story, sent for them, and granted them pensions, and a more honourable instance of a Monarch's gratitude for a benefit conferred upon his country never was keown.—(lfear, hear.) The Right Hon. Gentleman went en to mention the case of a foreign lady re siding abroad, who had herself furnished the information upon seeing that a Committee was about to be appointed. The Right Honourable Gentleman then read the letter, in which the lady stated the destitution in which she was placed. In his opinion a more noble letter never was written ; it showed the noble spirit with which the daughter of a British officer could act, and reflected the highest credit upon her. But this was not the only letter—he had others to the same effect. There was only one more letter to which he would call the attention of the House ; it was a letter of the same character as the other. It was from the widow of Sir Home Popham, and was expressed in a most feeling and truly eloquent style. He could multiply th( se instances. Every page of the report was worthy of the attention of the House and the public, for a_ perusal of it would tend to dispel the vast prejudice which existed upon such a subject. It was not in the naval and military st rvices alone that devotion had been shown. In the civil service there had been much devotion shown. The late Colonel Ste,vart died in the civil service of the country as much as if lie had died in the field, and the pension which was given to his datt„ ,,l :ter was as well earned as those of a Wellingt on , a Hill, a o g T r h a e nt r e e d su f l , t ,r o p f r t i h , a e t e e x o a rm publicinatien e sh r o r w i I •e c dr.e. sford, or a Lynedoch. the butpe. n had b h c a e d n no t been proved, s o t n i t t u l t t e e d fu , l , l i c t is i t the most tC°rirtiirbeywaaiCuteloo:tn Committee mn i l s in ttee favour r Enquiry, pensions or rycons or of any pensioner, to have b i ione ; . 2( hear,rentecl as a service te the country and the pensioner. liar, hear.) Ile (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) the results of this inquiry. There were would now advert tos L c o e r r d t n u c p k e l n a s n i s which had been resigned —som e , such a Mr. Drummond's, and Lord Elphinsto ne ' s , w h o h a d given up, pensions on their receiving official appointments. Now it had beets said that there was something disen gcnuous in the mode of stating this in the Report, and that the pensions had been surrendered under the pressure of the inquiry. Nothing could be more mistaken. All these peiLioas bad been riven up at tilt: times I,viiich were stated in PIIE SUisT, LONDON, I TUSDAY, JUIN JI, 1838: WORKING MEN'S ASSOCIATIONS IN SCOTLAND. (FROM A CORIVE%PONDENT.) Within a very short period several Working Men's Atttclations have been formed in Scotland, on similar principles to the London association. A very promising one has recently been formed at Stirling, and the members have been very industrious in forming others in the neigh bouring villages. It must be gratifying to all those Who are anxious for the social and political amelioration of the great body of the people to find them breathing sentiments like the following :—" In forming our association, we seek nit a mere exhibition of numbers, unless indeed they possess the attributes and character of Incn ; and little worthy of the name are those who have no aspirations beyond mere sensual enjoy ments—who, forgetful of their duties as fathers, husbands, and brothers, muddle their understandings and drown their intellect amid the drunken revelry of the pot-house—whose prcfligacymakes them the ready tools and victims of corruption, or slaves of unprincipled governors, who con nive at their folly, and smile while they forgo for themselves the fetters of their liberty by their love of drink. Let us therefore seek to make the principles of democracy as respectable in practice as they arc just in theory, by excluding the drunken and immoral from our ranks, and by uniting in close compact with the honest, sober, moral, and thinking portion of our brethren." While those Associations act in accordance with the above excellent principles, they cannot fail of success. With the law, however, as it now stands, they should be cautioned not to form branches —each Association should be distinct in itself. They may have similar rules and objects, but each body should have its own officers, and not be considered a part of any other Association. Another Association, upon the same principle as the above, has lately been formed at Anna, and already counts a considerable number of members. At one of their recent meetings they adopted the " People's Charter,' a copy of which had been forwarded to them from London. THE PEOPLE'S CHARTER. A public meeting of the Members of the Radical Registration and Patriotic Association of Brighton, was held in the Brewer's Arms, Church -street, on the 20th instant, when resolutions were unanimously adopted, assenting to the principles embodied in the PEOPLES' CH A RTER, drawn up by the London Working Men's Association. It was agreed, that a few &aerations should be suggested in detail, and that it letter to this effect be forwarded to Mr. Lovett, the Secretary of the London body. A resolution was also passed expressive of the thanks of the meeting, to the members of the London Association, for their continuous and patriotic exertions in favour of the hapO.ness and librty of the universal people. At this season of the when the mad-dog-cry is rife, it were well if those persons who keep dogs in confinement would take care to let the poor I.risoners have at all times plenty of fresh water to drink. WHITE FAIT IN SCOTLAND.—TWO years ago, an attempt w•...s made, we believe by some fisherwomen, to pass off the gars ie her ings caught in the neighbouring waters as white bait! The impostc.re had, we suppose, no great success; but it is rather mortifying that those whathought it worth while to practise thisileception, should neglect the legitimate means within their reach of gratifying the taste for that much famed dainty. Dr. Parnell, an ingenious and enteprising young naturalist, who discovered white bait in the Frith of Forth two years ago, went out yesterday and caught a large quantity, a heaped dishfril of which he sent to a friend of ours.—Scotsman. TIIE lIER RING FISHING.—The fishing this week bas been mor e success f u l than we remember at so early a period on any former year. The take has not been great, but all the boats have got some —from one to ten crans each. These two last mornings the take has been from 400 herrings to four crans each. One of the mornings this week a curer had so many as 30 crans delivered to him. The pre. sent fishing is much earlier than usual on this coast ; the nights being light and the weather calm, operate against the fishing ; there is, how. ever, expectations of grod fishing in due time. The quality of the fisk is excellent, and the f have been sold in our market at three a penny. The prosecution 'af the herring fishing on our coast has become exceed. ingly dasigerAs, in consequence of the passing and repassing of the steam ves.els, many of whom exhibit great indifference for the safety of those engaged in the smaller craft. Narrow escapes are daily reported. — ller•vick Advertiser. TWEED FISHERIES.--The improvement in these fisheries, which we noticed a few weeks ago, still continues. The fisheries below the bridge report this week to be the best of this or the preceding season ; one of these stations had yesterday morning caught since Monday 1,300 fish. The number of salmon are proportionately small, but the grilse are very numerous and good. —Berwick Advertiser. THE CAMLET WEAVERS.—We rejoice to hear that the suggestion which, in the sincere spirit of good will to both weavers and masters, we took the liberty of making last week has been responded to; and that the door has been open to friendly discussion, which we trust by a little mutual concession will lead to peace, and renewed activity to the manufacturing interests of the city.—Norfolk OrOtai'cle. HARVEST.—In the neighbourhood of Ret ford the crops are fast progressing towards maturity, and should the weather prove propitious, the corn, particularly barley on light soils, will be ready for reaping in a fortnight from Monday next. The wheats have improved very much during the last month, though it is feared the mildew will be prevalent on strong wet lands. In other parts it has seldom promised a greater yield, and will be quite an average crop. Bailey is abundant every where, and exceedingly well topped. Oats are good, and so are pease, and we imagine few people recollect the bean crop promising better than they do at the present period.—Doncaster Gazette. OXFORD DEGREES.—The following account of the preliminaries observed on proceeding to a B. A. degree, we receive from a person who has just taken that degree :—" I breakfasted, in conformity with University rule, as did other Under Graduates in the came circumstances as myself, with the Dean of the College. I had previously heard that the thirty-nine articles of our church were to be road, but I confess was little prepared for the irreverent manner in which that reading was conducted. Three or four of the articles were gabbled over soon after I entered the breakfast room, whilst the Under Gra duates were sitting round the fire, laughing and talking together. The reading of thirty-nine articles, however, was an operation too long and irksome to be performed without some interval of respite. The Prayer book is laid aside—we take our places at the breakfast table—but, ere long, the mockery is again resumed—sometimes by the Dean, some times by an Under Graduate, as a pause faom gormandising may allow: whilst, among the rest, the eating and laughing, and talking continue without the slightest check or reprehension. Besides the thirty nine articles, the oath of supremacy, and the oath of approval of the Book of Common prayer were read, and the sad mockery was thus brought to a close ; and the beef-steaks, chickent, and sausages, being pretty well de molished, we rose from the breakfast table to prepare for the remainder of the ceremony."—New York Courant, On Saturday se'nnight two dogs entered the farm yard of Mr, Bourne, at Westbury, and tore and worried about forty sheep, several of which have since died.—Wilts Independent. Irish new potatoes are selling in the Bazaar to-day at Is. 4d. per imperial stone. This day week they were 2s. 4d. per stone. The Irish steam boat Companies are rendering immense service to the city, and, we trust, benefiting themselves, by such rapid convey ances of all kinds of provisions, the abundant produce of the Emerald Isle.— Glasgow' Chronicle. We have lately received some communications re specting an impression which has gone abroad, that the labourers on the Great Western Railway pursue their occupations on Sundays as on other days. This impression must owe its origin to the fact that a few men are employed on the tunnellings, &c., in which no cessation can, without danger, be allowed to take place, and the continual prosecution of which is a work of absolute necessity. We have made a careful in quiry into the subject, and we are happy in being able to state, on the best possible authority, that no Sunday work whatever is performed on the Railway, excepting that which is strictly indispensable. We may add that it is contrary to the interest of the contractors that work should be done on Sunday, as the men who are employed on that day always expect and obtain a higher rate of wages.—Bath Chro n icle. On Friday mornin g , b e tw een fi ve an d six o'clock, a respectable tradesman named Merutt, living in William.street, Corn. mercial.road, Lambeth, was crossing Westminster bridge, when he ob served a female very respectably dressed on the top of the balustrading of the bridge, evidently with the intention of throwing herself off. Ile immediately rushed forward, and caching hold of her dress, drew her into his arms. She cried bitterly, and confessed that she intended to make away with herself. She stated her name to be Mary Lark, a native of Norwich. She had been seduced from home. After being ti(tained .ntil sh e b ecame composed, she was allowed to depart. The town of Dinant, in Belgium, has been visited by a horrible accident. A large natural cavern under the citadel, made use of, time out of mind, as the receptacle of its sewers and filth, burst forth on the town below, and inundated it with the most horrible of all floods. Ihe torrent carried away a soldier from the citadel. THE IRISH BlLLs.—The Pilot claims the merit of having consistently opposed the three Bills, observing :—The Post vaunted last night of leading the resistance to these Bills. This was indirectly, but intentionally, robbing us of our merits, and there fore unjust. We shall never submit to direct or indirect robberies of cur labours or independence. We have taken the lead in the resistance and in the policy to be adopted. While the Pos t palpably would now be writing as it did the 21st July—if the Government had now the same intentions as it had then—we led the Government and its press; and if we did not cause the present policy, we independently advised it. AGITATION IN IRELAND.—As we have said be fore, we do not wish, we do not desire, we would, on the contrary, de_ precate agitation. We have suffered ourselves so much, the country has suffered by the constant state of excitement into which we have been involved, that we should be most anxious for pracc in this our day. Lenit albescens ant mos capillus, Litium et rive cupidos protervm. But, really, we cannot help it —we are again enforced to take up a posi tion, and to assume a tone which we had abandoned to younger and more sanguine politicians. At all events a stand must now be made. flow the present crisis may terminate, if it terminate at all, we cannot Our try should be, with a very different signification to that htithe,to ar.oixed to the phrase— NO SURRENDER.—DubIin Evening Putt TILE NEV LOAN BILL (IRELAND).—We think the Irish Executive should not allow itself to be driven into a false po sition as respects thi ~,,,, , ,,i , bc _,, Give the important question. Our advice to them not i l_ titi . r l te l r . e \4 7 lt h Loan Fund Board protection and aid, but do the e current of private capital."—Pilot. KET THEATRE. drama was produced en Saturday — A little domestic night, under the title of The Artist's U It is a translation of a s ik,nown French drama. In the first act we find Clermont (ItangerealLy•arettnaccht artist, who has married a lady of quality, to whom he 13 devoiedl injund his sight. working so hard at his pie_ tures that he hat materially pointing, but recollecting that his wife, d s y he c l.l i e , a i r s k a A d ti , i 7 N d ii t s o s i l e i a a ;l e , ( ; ) tr . was borne to luxury, he cannot endure that' lions, and accordingly he not only cont i nues his S a h s o s i i u d o l u d is it7t, ffe b r u a t n e y ve P n ri% i • t a i: w velves I.inaself deeply In debt. Lady Ch arlotte, as generous as bims, If, is kept unacquainted with the s ecret of these debts. Welford (Hemming), Clermont's patron, has made dishonourable off Lord to Lady Charlotte. who reveals all to her husband, and the latter reads the nobleman such a lecture, ingeniously couched in the form of a descril . tion of a lisiniing, that he not only repents of his evil way s, b ut eve n toirs till a vain ,ble rier^ptance of Clermont's, which he bolds, and thus re.itices his claim to a debt of honour, A letter comes to the aria, containing an order for two pictures to decorate t.e I'a_ lace ; he now feels ttrit his fortune is made,and that his debt s w i ll br cleared, when the objects around him become dimmer and di rimer, till he is quite blind, and and he sinks back, exclaiming that he is risirel This terminates the first act. A year is supposed to pass bef ire the commencement of the second, when we find the artist still blind, and also have cause to suspect that there is SOII7C secret un derstanding between Lord Welforcl and his wife. Clermont learns from his servant Andrew jiuckstone) that his wife still dresses AS well as ev..r, and .dso hears enough to make him think the nobleman pays visits t.i her. Iler anxiety to go to aballerinfirms his uneasiness; he extorts from her a promise to remain at home, but is afterwards horrorstruck to find that she has left the house without his knowledge. Believing now that his wife has deserted him in his blindness, he is about to kill lninself, when he suddenly discovers that Lady Charlotte has entered into an engage ment rit the Italian Opera-house, and has met with the most distin. gui.ihed success, the ' , intent Lord %%Telford being her patron. She has taken this step to support her husband, but fearing that he might pre vent her carrying her plan into execution, has kept the whole affair a secret. The delighted Frenchman now embraces his and the curtain falls. The Char ac t er of Clermont is very well con. eeived. Banger's acting was excellent. Miss Taylor's Lady Charlotte was an interesting performance. The piece was announced for re1..ei.i . .. , Lent by Mr, 1 , 41 , 8 „. , amid the most ela.mt.urous applause. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT: HOU USE OF COMMONS, Jtar 30. The SrEAh4!tt took the chair shortly before Four &Clock. On the motion of Mr. HOLM ES the Sugar Refining Patent Bill was read a third time and passed. Mr. BROTHERTON presented a petition from Salford in layout of Mr. Owen's Plan of Education, and praying that Mr. Owen might be heard at the Bar. Mr. GIBSON presented a petition from Ipswich against the alienation of Church property. Mr. HINDL EY presented a petition from Ashton-under Lyme against idolatrous worship in India. Lord SANDON presented a petition from Liverpool in favour of the Small Tenements Bill. Lord G. SOMERSET brought up the Report of the Fic titious Votes (Ireland) Committee. Mr. GLADSTONE presented a petition from the Wes leyan Methodists of Newark and its neighbourhood. praying the House to adopt such moasures as would give effect to the dispatch sent by the East India Company, relative to Ilindoo Idolatry. Mr, PR AE D asked whether, in addition to the papers already on the table relating to the King of Oude, there was any additional correspondence connected with the subject. Sir J. HOBHO USE replied that there was some papers, bearing the date of 1832, which had reference to the subject, and he should be happy to present them to the House. There was another paper, the whole of which he could not present, as there were memorandums giving accounts of certain persons connected with the Royal Family of Oude, which it would be extremely improper to lay on the table. He had no objection to give extracts from that paper. Lord STANLEY wished to call the attention of the Noble Lord opposite to a petition that had been presented some time since from the students of the university of Edinburgh, praying the House to adopt some plan to take away the jurisdiction which the present professors of that university possessed. Lor J. RUSSELL said that in the next Session a Bill would be introduced to give the Government greater powers than they at present possessed. Sir F. TRENCH gave notice that to-morrow he would move for detailed returns relative to the expense incurred in the various experiments lately made for lighting knd ventila ting the House. Mr. WALLACE begged to ask the Noble Lord the Secretary for the Home Department what steps he proposed to take with respect to the complaint of Mr. Barr relative to the conduct of the Sheriff of Renfrewshire. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said the complaint had been re ferred to the Lord Advocate, who had caused an inquiry to be instituted. He (Lord J. R.) had only received the report that day, and all that he could then say was, that the matter would receive his best consideration. CANADA COUNCIL. Sir JA ME S GRAHAM said, from the last accounts he had seen from Canada, Lord Durham had appointed several Coun. cillors, among whom he saw the name of Sir Charles Paget. The question he wished to put was this—Was it true that Sir Charles Paget was appointed one of the Special Council? Sir Charles Paget was Commander-in-Chief of the Naval Forces, and his command extended from the Gulf of Mexico to the northern parts of America. To form a Special Council five must be a quorum, and five only were appointed. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said it was quite true, as had been reported, that Sir Charles Paget was one of the Special Council appointed by Lord Durham. There was no doubt that it was necessary five should be present if any deliberation was required; but if Sir Charles Paget could not attend another Council could be easily summoned.—( Hear.) Sir JAMES GRAfIAM—Are they permanent? Lord J. RUSSELL—They are not so permanent as to prevent Lord Durham summoning another Special Council. Lord S AND ON wished to ask a question of the Right Hon. Gentleman the President of the Board of Trade. The House was aware there bad been considerable negociation between this country and the Government of Naples in re gard to abolishing the duty on oil on the one hand, and of abolishing the duty on fish and iron on the other. He bad been informed that the Neapolitans had converted brim stone into a monopoly, and had raised the price of that article to very nearly double the amount it was before. A French company had received the monopoly of the sulphur trade in Sicily. He (Lord Sandon) wished to ask whether the Right Hon. Gentleman was in possession of a copy of such decree, by which this monopoly had been established ?—and if so, whether he would have any objection to lay it on the table ? Mr. P. THOMSON replied that he bad heard the Neapo. litan Government had established a monopoly of the Sulphur trade in Sicily ; but he had not received an official copy of the decree. When he did he would lay a copy of it upon the table of the House. the Report, i. e., at the times wheri.the official appointments were gritnted. Some Pensions certainly had been giyeil 111; later periods. But it was not fair to represent them as having been surrendered under the apprehension of in quiry, Many persons had been reluctant to give up their pensions because they did not wish to cast an implied re proach on those who retained them. This reluctance the ap pointment of the Committee removed. That was the principle upon which persons of the highest eminence acted; that was the principle adopted by Lord Sidmouth, Lord Farnborough, Mr. Moore, and the Duchess of Newcastle. Although the Committee saw that the circumstances of the party were such as to enable them to dispense with the pension, yet they thought that its reversion ought to be preserved. He now came to the last class, to the consideration of which the Committee approached with very great re luctance—that class was those parties where the pension should altogether cease. Now he could have wished that the result of the examination had been not to limit that class ; but finding it necessary to come to a decision upon those pen sions which could not be defended, the Committee had no other course to pursue. The Committee had discovered with great surprise the state of the law relative to pensions, by which the Crown was deprived of the power of making charges upon the revenue for pensions. The moment they discovered that, the opinion of the Law-officers of the Crown was taken, which was conclusive upon the Committee. The total amount of the savings in twenty years would be as follows :—The maximum would be in 1839, 4,9001. ; in 1844, 34,000/. ; in 1849, 67,000/. ; in 1854, 90,000/. ; and in 1858 the total maximum of the saving would amount to no less than 101,0001. There was one thing which he wished to take that public opportunity of correcting. He had been much blamed for inquiring into the age of the parties on the Pension List, especially of the ladies.—( A laugh.) He had fought strenuously against it, but the Committee thought such in quiries were necessary, and therefore his lion. Friend the Chairman of the Committee must bear all the blame of that delicate proceeding. It was an almost useless in qu'ry, as one laly said she was a certain number of years of age, which were less than the number of an nual payments which had been made to her.—( Hear.) He bad now stated to the House the proceedings before the Com mittee, and the result of those proceedings; but he could not help adverting to the recommendations with which the Com mittee had concluded their Report. Those recommendations vo e of some importance, were unanimously agreed to by the Committee, and were frankly and unreservedly adopted by the Government as being additional safe guards against the possibility of fraud or deception. In adverting to the resolution of the Committee recommend ing that the circumstance of poverty in the Peerage should not be considered as justifying a pension, the Right Hon. Gentleman said he thought such a provision necessary for preserving the honour and dignity of the Peerage.— ( Hear, hear.) The Committee further advised that pensions should be held liable to be withdrawn on appointments to public offices. The concluding recommendation of the Committee was, that the pensions should now be placed upon the Consolidated Fund. And, after congratulating the House on the favourable issue of the inquiry, the Right Hon. Gen tleman moved, " That provision be made enabling her Ma jesty provide out of the Consolidated Fund for pen sions granted previous to her Majesty's accession." Sir CHARLES LEMON said that the pensions charged upon the Duchy of Cornwall always formed part of the Civil List. Mr. WARBURTON . said that they were called upon to give a vote without haying the smallest ground for knowing whether the Committee had come to a proper conclusion or not. In his opinion it would have been better for decency's sake that Hon. Members should have the Report in their hands upon which they were proceeding. For himself he could only say, that he had not had half an hour to consider the recommendation made in the Report, or to look over the various names of the persons whose cases they were called to give their judgment upon. He should therefore move that the further consideration of the question should be adjourned till some future day that might be agreed upon. If by agreeing to the resolution they were only performing a formal act, and if by so doing they were not confirming a line, a word, or a letter of the Report, then he had no wish to throw any impediment in the way of the Government. Sir E. WILMOT begged to state that he had not attended the Committee merely on account of severe illness. Sir R. PEEL, notwithstanding what had fallen from the Chancellor of the Exchequer, still retained all his former opinions upon this subject.—( Hear.) He thought that all pensions granted by a former Sovereign ought to have been retained and the new system acted upon. He was of opinion that the inquiry, if had at all, ought to have been taken by the Crown. The Chancellor of the Exchequer had said the grant of the pension was still to be considered to be in the Crown. He ( Sir R. Peel) was afraid, if the recom mendations of the Committee were adopted, it would only be nominally so. Mr. SANFORD thought the investigation that had taken place was most correct and proper, not only as regarded the public, but as regarded the Pensioners themselves.—( Hear.) As far as possible, the Committee did attempt to mete out to every party the same measure of justice; and many cases, were actually re-heard, when the decisions had not given satisfac tion. It was a very delicate investigation ; and it was to be regretted that of any pension the withdrawal had been found necessary to be recommended. The resolution was then agreed to and the House resumed. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then moved that the House should resolve itself into a Committee of Supply. Colonel SIBTHORP had a motion to make founded on the returns he held in his hand. These returns he must say were unsatisfactory and incomplete. The first was that of the Re cord Commission, which had been sitting thirty years. Lord J. RUSSELL—That Commission has expired. Colonel SIBTH OR P—The Noble Lord might say that this Commission bad expired, but it was only the other day a Bill was brought in, founded on its labours. This Commis sion had cost the country upwards of a million. The next re turn was that of the Tithe Commission ; this account was also incomplete ; but, as far as it went, gave an amount of 3,4961. Then there was the County Rates' Commission, 1,0921. 195.8 d.; and that for the civil administration of the army, in which no thing had been done satisfactorily, and nothing, as yet, been paid. The next was the Commission for rebuilding the Par liament Houses, in which no detail of the expence was given. Then there was the Commission for Inquiring into the State of Religious Instruction in Ireland, Now, he would ask the Noble Lord, what good had been done by that Commission, which had cost the country 43,0311. is. 9d ?—( Hear, hear.) Another Commission was for the purpose of inquiring into the grievances of the Canadians. This cost 10,000/., and, after that expense, the country was now called upon for 500,0001. for the purpose of keeping down the people whose grievances the Commission was to remove.—( Hear, hear.) This, in his opinion, was most absurd. There was a Commission to in quire into the fees and amoluments of public offices, and there was another Tithe Commission, which cost 3,498/. Bs. Id. But the most expensive was that of " Education in Ireland," the cost of which amounted to 140,454/. Is. 7d., of which 114,2041. is. 4d,, had already been paid. He found that the total amount already expended on Commissions, not including the million for the Record Commission, nor the sum for the Revising Barristers, nor the expenses incurred in the present brutal system of managing the poor, amounted to 1,359,4001. —( Hear, hear.) If they included all the items he had men tioned, they would have a total of upwards of three millions. He thought these facts formed sufficient grounds to entitle him to ask for this Committee. He begged, therefore, to move for " A Select Committee to inquire into the various Commissions that have been issued since 11330, to the present time or period at which the above return may be dated." On the question being put, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, that in issuing the Commissions there was no expense incurred which could possibly be avoided, and the expenses in all in stances had been brought under the notice and obtained the sanction of Parliament, either under particular Acts of Par liament or in the proposition of the estimates. No Committee which the Honourable and Gallant Gentleman could obtain would furnish him more information upon the subject than he could obtain fioni the papers issued daily to Members. If the Committee were granted very important questions would be incidentally introduced which ought not to be discussed in such a manner. For these reasons, and not taking into ac count the late period of the Session--for he would not allow of any hope that such a proposition as that made by the Hon. aod Gallant Gentleman would, under any circumstances, be agreed to, he felt bound to oppose the motion. - Lord INGESTRE was understood to refer to the Malta Commission as having been very expensive, and at the same time furnishing a very meagre report. The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER said that the Malta Commissiom had been productive of great good. The motion was then negatived without a division, and the House went into Committee. WELLINGTON MEMORIAL. Lord W. BENTINCK wished to know whether her Ma jesty's Ministers had given their consent with respect to the site sought for the testimonial to the Duke of Wellington. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it was the most anxious desire of Government to give every assistance in their power to the proposed object ; but they thought, at the same time, that it was necessary to take par ticular care that a testimonial raised gi lh a on p o o u s r it o io f n th fo e r first the military character of this or of any other age should be suit able should meet and creditable . , and such . as the public could not object mtoo.numGio,nvte,rimimaednet,itina cpornodpiotsi9inngthtaot the design their approval. By this nothing . offensive was meant to any party ; but Ministers deemed it necessary, when such a public object was on foot, not to lay themselves open to reproof by having a monument erected in the metropolis unworthy of the occasion. A NOBLE Lono, whose name we could not learn, was glad to hear that there was to be some check with respect to the artist and the design. It would be a reproof to the Govern ment if they allowed the monument to be erected upon the triumphal arch, which was the greater eye-sore in the me tropolis. It was a blur on the lonic srreen cppAite, which was the only instance of good taste exhibited in any of our modern structures. In fact, the arch was a nothing—leading to nothing—and reminded one of a mile-stone in the middle of a turnpike-road. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that if the monument were erected upon the arch i t would be only retrilmt:ve justice ; for if t h e lonic screen destroyed the arch, a colossal statue upon the arch would destroy the lonic screen. The conversation then dropped and the Estimates v,ere pro ceeded with. On the proposal that 50,0001. be granted to ths Lord Lieutenant, for the purposes of education in Ireland, Mr. S. O'BRIEN rise, and was proceeding to o bj ec t t o the manner in which the money was distributed, when An Hon. MENIBER moved that the House be c;.,anted, The, House was counted accordingly , and m or e t han fort y 111} berg being ,presr_mt, Mr. O'BRIEfi ufed Or vm,essity of having a national school in every parish in treianct , Mr. J. GRATTAN said that, instead of the 1, +i st..llBols now in Ireland, with salaries of 10/. to their respective schor,,,, masters, it would be better to have only 800 efficient schools with salaries of from 201. to 30/. each. Lord MORPETH said that the money granted for these purposes was governed by certain regulations, one of which was, that no grant should be made to any place where a local fund had not bees first raised, and it would be found that, in all instances where complaint was made, that it arose out of the circumstances of the regulations not having been complied with. He was glad to say that the hostility with which the system of education had been met was rapidly subsiding. Colonel SIBTHORP perceived by the estimate that the Secretary was allowed 500/. per annum, and the Commissioner only 3001. He should wish that the Hon. Members opposite would inform him why this difference existed. • • Lord MO R PET H - said that the Commissioners were ap pointed originally as unpaid Commissioners, and up to the present period they had acted in that capacity. The sum of 300/. alluded to by the Hon. and Gallant Member was for the purpose of compensating one of the Commissioners for a Pres byterian living of 300/. per annum in the city of Dublin, which he had relinquished in order to be enabled to discharge the duties of his office with more facility and efficiency. Sir E. HAYES thought the objection raised by the don. Member for Wicklow, namely, that the Commissioners looked to the quantity of the schoOls more than to the quality, was a very serious one indeed, and he should say that the evils which that Hon. Gentleman stated to exist in those afforded a strong ground of justification to the complaints which were made at that side of the House. Sir C. STYLE approved of the present mode in which the schools were regulated. Colonel PE RC EVA L had a good deal of confidence with regard to those schools, and he would assure the House that they were regarded, particularly in the North, as especially devoted to the interests of the Roman Catholics ; so generally prevalent was this belief, that scarcely any but Roman Catho lics attended them. He did not know of any instance where a Protestant permitted his children to attend them, for Pro testants found that in thoso schools the religious tenets of their children would be interfered with. When last he spoke upon this subject, he had expressed his opposition to those schools, and he could assure them that the objections in his mind were now stronger than ever. Mr. V. SMITH defended the national schools. Mr. HUTTON said the expenses incurred for the pur pose of advancing those schools had been productive of vast advantage. Mr. GLADSTONE wished not to be understood as ap proving of all the details of the national schools, but he con sidered the joint-education system a great benefit, and de cidedly the best that could be adopted in Ireland. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rejoiced to hear the Hon. Member express himself so favourably towards the schools. Mr. WYSE defended the national schools. ['he vote was then passed. The next vote was 12,5001. to defray the expenses of the Foundling Hospital in Dublin. The following votes were then agreed to :- 20,000/. to defray the expences of the Lying-in Hospital, Dublin. 1501. for the Royal Hibernian Marine School. 1,0001. for the Female Orphan Asylum, Circular-road Dublin. 2,0001. for the support of the Lock Hospital, Dublin. 1,5001. to defray the expenses of Dr. Stevenson's Hospital, Dublin. 3,8001. for the Fever Hospital, Cork• street, Dublin. 5001. for the Hospital of Incurables, Dublin. Upon the vote of 8,9281. towards the College of Maynooth being put, Colonel SIBT HORP rose to object to the vote now before them. At present he would not press any motion upon the subject, but he felt it his duty to express his protest individually against the vote, and he would at a future period move for a Select Committee to inquire into the mode of education, &c., of the College of Maynooth. Colonel PE RCE VA L was opposed to the vote. They were guilty of a dereliction of duty in granting a vote to sup port an institution for the education of a body of men who had used a most mischievous influence in Ireland, and who would doubtless continue to do so if they were en couraged. They had done a great deal to create riot, and tumult, and excitement in that country, and it was for this they were to be granted a vote. He was old enough to re member when the Priests were educated abroad, and he re- membered the good effect thus produced upon them. They were then a different description of men from the Priests of the present day, living principally in the interchange of hospi tality and good feeling with the country gentlemen around them ; but the Priests of Maynooth were the very reverse. Colonel VE RNE R would move that the vote should be postponed until a Select Committee should be appointed to inquire into the management of the College of Maynooth. The CHANCELLOR of tbe EXCHEQUER said the Hon. and Gallant Member could not make such a motion as that which be had named. He might oppose the vote if he pleased, but the Committee of Supply could not postpone it upon a contingency such as the appointment of a Select Com mittee. If the Catholic Clergy were all educated abroad the objections against them would be still stronger than if they were educated at Maynooth. The withdrawal of the grant would only have the effect of benefitting the College in the minds of the Irish people ; and, as respected the vote, it had been suggested and advocated by Mr. Pitt and Edmund Burke. Were they now to reject a vote which had passed in every Par liament since 1796 ? Mr. ELLIS trusted that the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman would not press his motion this Session. Colonel VE RNE R quoted an instance of the part taken by a Roman Catholic Priest within the last few days, which he defied any one to shew him a parallel in the case of a Pro testant Clergyman. It was the presidency at an anti-tithe dinner on the Sunday in the county of Kilkenny by the Rev. Martin Doyle, the parish Priest of the neighbourhood. The Rev. Gentlemen was reported to have then declared his declaration to oppose any tithe law, and to agitate, agitate, agitate. On his right was Mr. Hogshaw, and he (Colonel Verner) now called on the Noble Lord opposite to know whe ther that gentleman was still to be continued in the commis sion of the peace? Mr. O'CONNELL said that the toast of "The Battle of the Diamond" had not been drunk there.—( Hear.) With re spect to the motien before the Committee he (Mr. O'Connell) had no objection to inquiry, so it was wide enough, and included Oxford, Cambridge, and Dublin. But it was too bad that the three Gallant Colonels should come forward and join in the attack upon Maynooth alone. " Three Colonels in three different counties born, Lincoln, Armagh, and Sligo did adorn. The first in gravity of face surpased ; Sobriety, the next, and grace the last. The fore e of nature could no farther go— To beard the first, she shaved the other two." ( Laughter. ) Mr. GLADSTONE objected to the grant. Lord MOIiPETEI did not rise to defend the origin of the grant, but to object to the expediency of opposing it at this moment. 900,0001. had been recently granted for the im provement of the Protestant Clergy in Ireland, and yet 8,9001. was objected to now for the improvement of the Ca tholic Priesthood. What was there in the circumstances o I the time which arrayed all the forces of intolerance against the Government ? The Noble Lord then read some passages from a work of the Rev. Mr. Brown, recently published by the Rev. Mr. Newman, to prove that Catholicism was gaining ground in the University of Oxford. Mr. GLADSTONE said that a case of more cruel injustice had never been done than that done by the Noble Lord, or a piece of more vulgar malignity had never been published. The facts of the case were these—the work in question was written by a young man of no name in the University, and was not published until after his death. The Noble Lord had acted unfairly in quoting certain passages, without referring to the preface of the editor ; and he would repeat the course he had taken when the cheers that his supporters greeted him with should have died away. Lord MORPETH could not discover his crime from the sore reply of the lion. Member, He should only repeat what he had said, that lie quoted from the book without selection. Mr. WYSE said that the fact was well known that Popery existed in Oxford, and that it was a description of Popery, too, most adverse to the Reformation. After a few words from Colonel VERNER, Sir R. INGLIS knew nothing of the book referred t 3 by the Noble Lord, but he was satisfied that it was not authorized by the University. Sir C. DOUGLAS should vote for the grant—a circum stance which would prove to the satisfaction of the House that the side on which he sat were no Tory bigots. Lord MORPETH said the Hon. Baronet the Member for Oxford knew as little of the motion before the House as he did of the book in question. Mr. AC L AND said the Noble Lord seemed to know as little of the book as the lion. Baronet was stated by him to know ; for if he had read the preface of the editor he would have found passages extracted from the body of the work in allusion to the Roman Catholic Church, which he (Mr. Ac. land) should, in respect to his fellow-countrymen of that per. suasion. refrain from quoting. Mr. SHIEL wished to know whether the Hon. Member for Newark, as Under Secretary of the Colonies, objected to the grant of 1,000/. a year to the Bishop of Quebec for the en couragement of the Catholic religion in Canada. M r . GLADSTONE had voted for the grant as for a vested right, which would expire with the Bishop of Quebec. Mr. O'CONNE LL hoped that Maynooth would be saved by the Honourable and Gallant Colonel as Rome was by a goose.—( Hear.) He ( Mr. O'Connell) was delighted to find that there was an approximation to Catholicism in the English Universities. Mr. GA LI. Y KNIGHT said, that, if this grant was put to the vote, he would support it ; but he begged leave to say that this House should not be made an arena for polemical dis cussions. The CHAIRMAN then put the question, and declared that the Ayes had it. 300/. to defray the expense of the Royal Irish Academy. —Agreed to. 3001. to defray the expense of the Royal Hibernian Aca denly.—Agreed to. 5001. to defray the expences of the Royal Dublin Society. Mr. MUTTON objected to the political 'constitution of this society, and to the continuance of this grant until it had complied with the recommendation of the Parliamentary Com mittee with respect to the freer admission of Members. Colonel VERNER bore testimony to the utility of the so ciety and to the absence of all political feeling. Lord MORPETII said that as the Royal Dublin Society had shown a disposition to give up their newspapers and poli tical publications, and to accede to th 4 desires of Parliament, he hoped the Hon. Siernhef foe Dublin would permit the money to be voted, which he assurztl the House was annually applied to the purposes of science and the Itgitimate objects of 111*1 society. He would not now rip up old tyres, and thoug !! the relay ehould he permitted to receive their grant without difficulty. Mr. O'CONNELL said, that t'll6 Pori Dublin S , :ciety was perhaps right in blackballing himself, but n& complained exceedingly of their excluding so peaceable and excellent a character as the Rev. Dr. Murray. It was a question whether such a society should receive any public money at all. Mr. W. SMITH O'BRIEN and Mr. WYSE advocated the grant in consequence of the society's partial compliance with the expressed wishes of the Committee.—Agreed to. 7001. to defray the expenses of the Commissioners of che ritable bequests and donations.—Agreed to. 1,5001 to defray the Royal Belfast Aeadem'cal Inttitutir , n. —Agreed to. 13,839/. to defray the expense of several put lie an i repairs of public works in Ireland. —Agreed to. 22,33 9 /. for the Chief and Under Secretaries' residence in Dublin, and expenses of the Privy Cowell in Ireland. Colonel SIBTHORP gave notice that he would next Session move that this vote should be reduced by the sum of 1,5001 Lord MORPETH thanked the Gallant Colonel for the courtesy of his year's notice.—Agreed to. 12,3941. for defraying the expenses of offices in the House hold of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, formerly charged on the Civil List.—Agreed to. 3,500/. to defray the expenses of civil services in 'reified.— Ag,reed to. 4,150/. to defray the expense of publishing pi oclan atims .n Ireland Agreed to. 31,719/ for the expense of non-conforming and se xidirg ministers in Ireland.—Agreed to. 66,7001. to defray the charges of criminal proututions 'n Ireland. Mr. HUTT asked for some details of the api lie ition of .o large a sum. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the account having come in very recently, and after the yearly accounts had been made up, they had not had time to ascertain the particulars. Mr. O'CONNELL said that the only pa-feulari that could be stated would be the items of the attornry's bill— rather voluminous.—( Laughter.) Agreed to. 31,357/. of public offices in Ireland. Mr. WARBURTON and Mr. HUTT complained that in this item also they were furnished with no particulars.— Agreed to. 3,206/. to defray the expense of the Commissioners of the Board of Public Works in Ireland. Sir C. STYLES complained that two counties in Ireland ( Galway and Clare) were particularly favoured in the distribution of the money placed at the disposal of these Commissioners. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER con tended that the House might rest secure in the discretion and integrity of Colonel Burgoyne. till the accounts were regularly furnished. Agreed to. 7,0001. to defray the expense of the Boundary Survey in Ireland.—Agreed to. 12,700/. for the Commission to inquire into the best lines of Railway for Ireland. An HoN. MEMBER complained of the expense of the copper plates in this survey. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER eulogized the Commission as being calculated to save Ireland from the losses to which she was liable in such speculations by entering on them under mistakes and miscalculations similar to those which occurred in England. Mr. O'CONNELL took a very different view of that Com mission, and looked on its labours as having done incalculable mischief to Ireland. Lord CLEMENTS regretted very much the result of the Commission. In his opinion the result of the calculations the Commissioners had gone into would be to retard the prosecu tion of Railroads in Ireland for twenty years. Mr. LUCAS thought that the interposition of the Com mission was most fortunate. With respect to the profit ex pected he understood that the Report promised a profit of four and a half or five per cent. After a few words from Mr. Wyse, Mr. J. O'Connell, Mr. Shaw, and Lord Howick, the grant was agreed to. The nert item was 60,0001. for Civil contingencies. 63,030/. legal expences of Scotch Universities.—Agreed to. 101,2061. 3s. 4d. for the charges of the Commissariat De partment.—Agreed to. 50,054/. 6s. Bd. for the half-pay of the Commissariat De partment.—Agreed to. The next item was 500,000/. for the different expences be yond the ordinary grants for 1837, 1838, and 1839, for army and ordnance services, occasioned by the insurrection in Lower Canada. Mr. WARBURTON said that, as a Nobleman had gone out to tranquillise the country, he should not consider himself justified in raising a discussion on the present occasion. But looking at the enormous sums that colony cost us, and the loss we suffered by forcing a timber trade with her, he thought that if this country would take the matter into serious consi deration we would come to the conclusion that an early and peaceable separation would be the wisest course for both countries. Sir E. SUGDEN rose for the purpose of drawing the at tention of the House to the state of Canada with reference to the Special Council. The point to which he wished to draw the Noble Lord's attention was, whether the Special Council had been appointed according to the Act of Parliament? The Act empowered the Governor to appoint Councillors, without specifying the number, but required the pre sence of at least five to make their acts valid. The Governor had, however, limited his appointments to five, although the inference, from the Act of Par liament making five the lowest number, was that a greater number was contemplated. Of the number appointed, one was a gallant officer holding a command in Upper Canada, and who, of course, could not be at his post at the Council. If this state of things were not remedied, he might feel himself bound to raise the question hereafter. The present Governor on his arrival had dismissed the Executive Council he found there, on the plea that he intended to hold himself responsible for all future acts, and immediately appointed a Council of five of his own immediate staff. The conduct of Sir John Colborne had been widely different. He appointed a:Council of twenty-one inhabitants of LoWer Canada, eleven of whom were French Canadians. What was the consequence? That their acts had all the sanction of a Parliament.—( Hear, hear.) The conduct of that Council had been so satisfactory, that Sir John Colborne not only thanked its members for their conduct but wrote a letter to Lord Glenelg highly approving of the Council. The first act of Lord Durham, en his arrival, was to dissolve this Council and appoint his special Council of five—all members of his own personal staff.—(Hear, hear.) He (Sir E. Sugden) begged to press these matters on the attention of the Noble Lord. He did not wish to weaken the authority of Lord Durham, by expressing disapproval of his conduct, but, as one of the persons who had given him his present extraordinary powers, and agreed to the suspension of the Canadian Constitution, he felt bound to keep a vigilant eye over his proceedings. He thought it was of the deepest importance to know not only that the appointment of the Council, as to numbers, was strictly legal, but also as to the powers vested in it by the Governor, as its legality might afterwards be arraigned by parties who became subject to its decisions. He did not think it necessary at present to origi nate any motion, but he begged to press the subject on le attention of the Government.—( Hear, hear.) Lord JOHN RUSSELL would reserve for another op portunity the consideration of Lord Durham's government of Canada, though ho must admit that any legal opinion offered by the Right Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down was well worthy of the most serious consideration. The opinion which the Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman had ex pressed was not supported by any other Hon. Member. The words of the Act with respect to the Council were, that no less than five should he present. With respect to the larger question which had been mooted, he ( Lord John Russell) deemed it a matter of the utmost importance that public opinion in Canada should be taken into account. Lord Dur ham found that the two parties in Canada looked with suspi cion upon each other, and he had done right in selecting for his Council persons who could not be supposed to have a leaning one way or the other. The primary object of Lord Durham was to preserve the colony to the mother country and the next was to lay the foundation of a harmonious feeling. The view then to be taken of the appointment to the Council of persons not Canadians was as to the manner in which such appointments were considered by the inhabitants of the colony generally. All the letters and accounts from Canada stated that the appointments were looked upon both with favour and confidence.—( Hear, hear.) Ile ( Lord J. Russell) would not say more upon the subject, as he did not deem it necessary in the present state of circumstances to explain and justify every particular step which Lord Durham might think it ne cessary to take for preserving the Canadian provinces to the British Crown.—(Hear, hear.) Sir E. SUGDEN would be very unwilling to throw any impediment in the way of Lord Durham's government of the Canadas, but he wished merely to put Ministers in possession of a doubt which he entertained with respect to the legality of that Noble Lord's proceedings as regarded the Council. It appeared to him that there were great doubts whether the acts of Lord Durham's government would be valid, unless there were mote than five councillors present. After a few words of further explanation between Lord J. RUSSELL and Sir E. SUGDEN, The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said he did not partici pate in the doubts expressed by his Right Hon. and Learned Friend. He believed the acts would be perfectly valid in law if five councillors were present. The second section of the Act pointed out the mode of appointing the Council, and the next clause said that five councillors at least should be pre sent to render the acts valid —( Hear, hear.) When five were present the condition expressed in the Act was fully com plied with. —( Hear.) Mr. O'CONNELL did not regret the expense of :he half million to which the country was put, as it was but a fair re turn for the injury inflicted upon Canada by taking away from the Representative Assembly the cot-grout which it pos sessed over the revenues of the Colony. The Canadians were right in resisting the attempt to take the controul of their own revenues from them; but they were wrong in departing from constitutional resistance, and in violating the law by resorting to rebellion and blood. In doing this the Canadians deserved the despotism which had been imposed upon them—fur the government of Lord Durham was a despotism. It was well, however, to find that Lord Durham, whose character was public property, had been most successful in his government:, as was shown both by public and private accounts He hoped that the conduct of the Ncbic Lord in Canada would be 41' earnest of peace, and that the run which had been made at him would not drive him with disgust from the gov,srument of the Colony. With respect to the number of the Council, the words of the Act were " five at least ;" and if the Right Hon. Gentleman could make six out of five, he (Mr. O'Connell) did not envy his arithmetical powers. After a few words from Mr. ELLIS and Mr. O'CosiNsm„ Sir C. GREY objected to its going abroad that Lord Durham went out with dictatorial powers to Canada. If such an opinion gained ground, it might materially interfere with the good which Lord Durham's appointment would be calcu lated to effect. After a few explanatory words from Lord J. Russell, Lord Ingestre, and the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the vote was agreed to. The sum of 189,022/. ls. Bd. was ♦oted for the disem bodied militia. The llouse then resumed. CUSTOMS BiLL. On the motion of Mr. P. THOMSON this Bill was ;Tad a third time, and passed. JOINT-STOCK BANKS BILL. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQITER moved the second readinz of this Bill. Sir E. SUGDEN, although he did not intend to divide the House, 3et had great objections to the Bill. He feared that it would be felt to produce great inconvenience, and would not operate beneficially for the objects contemplated. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER contended that the Bill was to be justified on the ground of the strong: necessity that had existed for its adoption. Without some• remedy, such as that proposed, it would be impossible for joint-stock banksto go on at all. The point of law which had been raised would, unless some remedy was afforded, greatly interfere with their right (as we understood) to sue their shareholders. The measure was only of a temporary nature, and it would be for after consideration whether some other checks and safeguards which had been suggested should or should not be adopted. The Bill was then read a second time. The Transfer of Funds (War Office) Bill was, on the mo tion of Lord HOWICK, read a second time. FORMS OF PLEADINGS BILL. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved the committal of this Bill. - _ _ ...... ____. An HoN. MEMBER moved that the House should adjourn, observing that such Bills should not be brought before the House at so late an hour of the night. . . The gallery was then cleared fo - r a division-- For the original motion 3B For the amendment , 5 Majority for the motion 33 The Bill then went through Committee, and the House re sumed. The Conveyances of Estates Bill was read a second time. On the motion of the SOLICITOR-GENERAL the Bankruptcy Court 13;11 was ordered to be committed this day tlree months. On the motion of Mr. FOX MA [ILE leave was given to bring in a Bill to suspend the militia ballot for one year. Lord MORPETH obtained leave to intNduce a Bill to amend the 6th and 7th of William IV., relating' to detached portions of counties in Ireland. Both Bills were brought up and read a first time, And cr dered to be printed. On the motion of Mr. FOX MAULE, the following re turns were granted : " Return by the clerks to the Commissioners of Supply of the several counties in Scotland, showing the amount of rogue money annually as sessed on each county during the last five years, distinguishing in sepa rate columns, in so far as practicable, the amounts respectively applied to the apprehending, the subsisting, and the prosecuting of criminals, and to any other purposes, stating what such other purposes are. Return by the Queen's and Lord Treasurer's Remembrancer in Exchequer in Scotland, showing the several sums annually allowed in the several Sheriff's' accounts during the last five years, for the expenses of criminal Investigations, prosecutions, trials, or other criminal proceedings, dis tinguishing under separate heads, in so far as practicable, the purposes to which such sums have been applied. Return, by the Crown agent in Scotland, showing the expenses of criminal investigations, prosecutions. trials, or other criminal proceedings, in name or under the authority of the Lord Advocate, during the last five years, distinguishing in separate columns, in so far as practicable, the portion of such expenses applicable to investigations and proceedings in the Court of Justiciary, and in the Sheriffs' and other inferior Courts, and stating from what sources such expenses have been defrayed." The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the Houle adjourned at Half-past One o'Clock. HOUSE OF LORDS, 'liar 30. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his scat on the Woolsack at Five o'clock. The Earl of WICKLOW presented a petition from Lin coln, praying for the enfranchisement of Church property on just and equitable principles. A message from the House of Commons brought up the County of Clare Treasurers' Bill, and several other Bills, which were read a first time. Lord HATHERTON said that the other House of Parlia ment had lately made a considerable improvement in the Standing Orders relative to private Bills ; arid he inquired whether there was an intention to do so in this House ? Lord SHAFTESBURY thought it very desirable, an d therefore moved for a Committee ; which was agreed to. Lord CAM PERDO WN presented a petition from Leith, in favour of the Municipal Corporations ( Scotland) Bill. Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from a gentle man at Chelmsford, complaining that a person who had been convicted of a very aggravated burglary at that place bad been liberated without any sufficient ground. The Duke of WELLINGTON presented petitions in fl v our of the Beer Bill from several places in the county of York. LORD DURHAM. Lord ABERDEEN presented a petition from Newfound' land, which he said was the most unhappy and distracted colon): belonging to this country. The petitioners complained of a state of society produced principally by religious ani mosity, in which it was scarcely possible for business to be carried on, and they prayed for relief He was at a loss !o suggest any remedy, but trusted that some palliation would, speedily take pl ace . H e b egge d t o as k w hether the colony ° I Newfoundland was under the jurisdiction of Lord Durham? l ls he did not know to what extent his Lordship's powers went. Lord GLENE LG regretted that such animosities s hould exist. The remedy suggested by the petitioners was that of an alteration in the constitution of the colony. These animno" ties had chiefly sprung up from differences on religious subi jects, and they were the most difficult to allay of any, an 4 he thought all had been done that could be done to put an en to these animosities. With re s p ec t t o L or d D u rham, h is Commission gave him the same power with respect to Nev" foundland as to the other colonies. Lord BROUGHAM could not refrain from putting a 00' tion to the Noble Lord on the subject, and ent rea ting b! ° earnest attention to this petition. It was stated in th e Amer'_ can papers that Lord Durham had appointed a Special Coen' cif, consisting of five persons, three of whom were of his Ora household, and not one a Canadian ; and also that he ad a issued an ordinance, declaring that three persons ha come in and confessed they were guilty of rebellio m and without bringing them to trial he had sentenced tbeel himself, and sent them to Bermuda, with the conditiol: that they should be put to death if they left the place. N'd this would be neither more nor less than murder if c arrie into effect. In another declaration he had stated that if Fa: pincau entered the territories of Canada he also should be 1: 0 " to death. This was equally monstrous, for it was contrarl to every principle of justice to hang a man without tryi"; h im. --( Hear, hear.) Lord E LLE NBORO UG II wished to call the attention 0f the House to the creating of a sham council, which was restriction whatever on the Governor, for they coincided 1 1 every thing which he might do ; and he was convinced t hat c i, this had been known the Bill would never have been pa"a c .d proceedingsHe moved for papers relating to the which taker, place under the appointment of Lord Durham. the Lord G LENELG said as far as he could produces documents he would do so. It was rather premature to ce ll a sure the conduct of the Noble Earl in this manner, for he b gained Vie confidence of both parties. Lord MELBOURNE had no objection to the product i , °ll . . of these papers, but he must say that it was in the highest (lie gree imprudent and unjustifiable to sacrifice the interests o f to country to the interests of party—to sacrifice the highest übjc_co, to the desire of attacking individuals in order to pronounce suet, a determined condemnation upon those acts which had bee deemed necessary by the Noble Lord, who was on the 0) and who was therefore the best qualified to judge of what v. 4; necessary. Lord I3R OUG HA M absolutely and peremptorily disgen tc o j o from the doctrine of the Noble Lord.—( Hear, hear.) It Ir o i not only not unpatriotic, premature, and unjustifiable, but it w l absolutely necesary and the duty of the House to keep a 'Mit e . 1 ful superintendence over the exercise of such dictatorl.„..s powers as were entrusted to the Governor of Canadua c j ( Hear, hear.) With rcqard to factious views, he rega l. he them as little as the Noble Viscount formerly did whena brought forward chirps against the then Government, go, when that Government accused him of being influence d factious motives.—( Hear, and laughter.) 1.0 4 After a few remarks from Lord ELLENBGROUGH and .- WYNFotin, prosing for a mo full explanation, f h i° Lord GLENELG said he should defer any remarks o own until the papers were on their Lordships' table. JUVENILE OFFENDERS' BILL . The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved the third Oa of the Juvenile Offenders' Bill. The Bill was read a third time accordingly. B ilh Lor.l LYNDH U RS T did not find on fhe face of th e nr oo nor in the statement of the Noble Marquis, either toa former occasion, anything which co u ld g iv e them if its sight into the system which was intended to be pursuco•bot, the first place, however, he wished to remark, that the N a ry vations of the Noble Marquis with regar d to th e town of i / A ct cheater were founded in a tot misapprehension ; thcbcog was, that there were scarcely any instances of c hildren, .„ th e j lost or abando ted there. A h umane regu l at i on ex isted town, by which the police took any children whom they m igil" wandering to the n earest po li ce stat i on, t h at par ents -- ta uen g , know where to cl a i m t h em ; for this purpose t h ey were ,do there ; and though it was true that in that manner of" ° " . n der' 8,000 bad been found within the last four years, still u " n ee , . „ ns ta , stool that all of the m, with the exception of a singiL , I c oo had bee.% claimed and returned to their parents. Now, th c° ' he s side: i.:g the importance of tans subject, he submitted ili a b t e t o . ro t t ought to be, eitlik.r en the face of the Bill or in the sta`oloP of the Noble Marquis, some explanation of the c ourse w an t' was intended to be pursued. It they intended to 0 1 °1'4: II thing lik e th e veparate system, he proteste d ve h e mentlY u c f°r th ° it; but f urt h er, t h ere was a principle nowintroduced In ea. first time i n this to which he very strongly obj ect io rse s ° all the pris ons o f t hi s country , w h et h er coun ty gaols, 1 e st!: correction, or penitentiaries, a system of inspection blished. That sys.em had bea found to work verytool dally, and it 4Plicd to all the prisions of Eog isi t t i a ry exception ? :,;;d that exception eat the Per.litc"