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t 1 most exrensive, which bael affordfd him great sAtisttic , ion; ai:d he 11:4tect it whl. o , :-hecti 4 Jally gsatislactury to the House when it came bcfoic thPirt. Ihe Committee divided, when the numbers* Weur, • For the Amendment 5B Against ;:r :lajority in Civour of 1;1;t iottslrtion ,-27 A grant of 1.767,1811.. was moved for, to cover ehargcs for buildings and repairs Majesty's flock y,ros. Sir M. W. 11 int.rY called the attention of Ni nisters to the situation of pursers iu the Navy. - Ile described the cese of that very meritorious class of men to, he one of great hardship. They _were at present in great distress, and et re not so uoMetous but they might be relieved by a snip 'little exceeding that which he had had the honour to pr“pose should be taken horn the Lords of the Admiralty. Mr. Claoßga stated half-pay to have been al 16Wed to Pursers within_ the last three years. It would be seen that it was not in the power of . the liOard of the Admiralty to giant the relief call ed for widiout opening a door n o tch larger than the Bon. Member scented to conteun,!atc,lo other aprlicants.' He begged to state the Board of Ad miralty h.tl already gone to the expence of het p lug supernumerary clerks, which were chosen from the Pursers whose conduct bad been most meni torinus.—The motion was agreed to. The following ;;rants were then voted : For provisioning gat rions Oil forcigo .tmions, for ships o ovqr, and transports, 380,0001. Iu cover the expences of the transnort service for IRIR 178,94R1 ORDNANCE, Mr R. WARD moved for a grant on account o the Ordnance for the present year, of 120,0001. HIGH BAILIFF OF WESTMINSTER. Mr. Maasit rose to move for the grant of a 'tam in favour of the High Bailiff of Westminster. This he stated to be a Case of pure unmixed jus tice, which..he should but impair if he were to speak on it at any length. He begged to remind the Committee, that a grant in favour of this Gentleman bad been recommended by a coinniilyt• of thM House four years ago. 'The High Bailiff, in the Elections -which 'had occurred of late yews, had - taken the course which had been 'lnvariably, pursued by his predecessors in office, by erecting hustings; And had this not been done, scenes of riot must' hate occurred that wont(' Infallibly have proved utterly stihversive of the Right of 'Election: The High Bailiff had been re fused payment by one of the persons elect ed. He had in - consequence brought his ac tion, hut the Court deciding against him, the 'action was lost, and the High Bailiff was left 15001. out of pocket. He now cattle to that litmse, not for that sum, hut merely for the sum of 8001, which he had lost by the Election of 1812: He moved that the 'sum of 8001. should be 'granted to reimburse the High Bailiff of 4Vest- Ininz , ter for expenceS thrown on biro by the Elec tion-of 1612. BAN &Vs, wished to ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer if the consent of the Crown had. been obtained to this grant, as from the time of Q;ieen Anne no such resolution could be proposed without the consent of the Crown ? Mr. BROGDENT apolo4,rized to the Committee for not hay .ing qhted the consent of the Crown to have been obtained. Mr. BASKE=s•still objected to the form of the motion. Mr. BiIOGDEN thought the objection of the. Right Hon. Cent!em-an Wight perhaps be obviated by introducing the words ‘• granted to his Majesty." The CHANCELLOR otthe EXCHEQUER stated the con sent of the Crown to hare hems oleaiaed lour years ago. Mr. N. CALVERT wished to h•Lov.' v.:h.:4 were the emolu ments of the office of High Bailin. The , e ini; ; ;lit be so con-• siderable as to !nuke it but reasonable that be should bear the expence which had been thrown on him by au unexpected contingency. • Mr. BROUGHAM thought the claim thaLof justice, and did not see that any reason could be given why the expellee of the election should be thrown on the High Bailiff. Mr. WY NNE thought it world he desirable that the Re port of the former Committee should be printed and put into the hands of Members. He much doubted whether the words of the Act would oblige the High Bailiff to erect hust ings, in such a case as that for Westminster in 1819.,—(Mr. Brougham here that the words were imperative.)—lf the wo,ds really were imperative, then, instead of beginning with a vote in the i:oramittee of Supply, they should pass an Act deeb-tring be whom the expence of erecting' husting s was to be bo,ie. He could not und e r s tand h ow , i n th e case of W . estmittster, the expence of e recting th e h us ti ngs cou ld am vont son!. nitouGH.VM said, he happened to he Counsel in the cast- of Westminster allmled to. The existing Act was only a temporary Act, and would expire either this year or soon after. Mc. C. WYNNE wished to know whether the motion before the Committee was confined only to the case of 181 , 2. H e still could not understand bow, in the few hours- that the election in 1812 lasted, such an expellee as 8001. could be in curred. Mr. BROUGIIAM assured his Hon. Friend, that every item in the charge bad been scrupulously examint.d. Mr. WYNNE said the total amount of the charge was 1,6001., but as there `was a nonsnit in one of the actions, in the Oil er the recovery was only against one of the Candi dates, and of one nopety of the whAe expellee. Why, ifthere was only one Candidate against whom the plaintiff could re cover, did not he recover the whole sum against that one ? Mr. B. BATHURST read an extract from a legal-opinion . by Mr. Richardson, stating the legal reason why only 8001. could be recovered at law. The Report alluded to by his Ho nourable nd (Mr. Wynne) might be bad by any Member who chose to apply for a copy of it. Mr. BARCLAY trusted, that if this grant was agreed to, the House would make the loss sustained on like occasions by the High Bailiffs of every large town. ' - • Mr. C. CI INERT concurred in what was said by the Hon. Gentleman who spoke last. Mr. LOCIiii.IRT said, if the Hon. Gentleman who spoke last would take the trouble of examining, they would find that this grant would lie a precedent for - no other grant-whatever. :The. high Bailiff of Westminster was, by , Act of Parliament, liiible to ire proceeded against by information, or indictment, os an enemy to the public peace, if be had riot erected the 'hustings in such a case as that of 1812. 'I he CHAIRMAN suggested, that the technical objecti o n of the Hon. M em b er f o r Cot fe Castle (Mr. Bankcs) might be removed by framing the motion thus : " That 8001. be grant ed to-his f , r the purpose of enabling his Majesty to in , lemnify the High Bailiff." After a few words front Mr. BANKES and Mr. The CHANCELLOP. of, the EXCHEQUER said, that this cas:e Was complet e ly • distinguished from an y ot h er . Th e charge in thi, case was thrown upon the High B a iliff i n a way that never was intended by the Act of Parliament. Although he f•ad a great objection to indemnifications of - this kind, the present case was one of ,which Parliament certainly ougl&t to 'nal,: up :he loss. A f; cr a few ;yards from Mr. N. CALVERT, the Gallery was cleared for a-division, but none took place, and the Vote was agreed to.—Report to-morrow. NATIONAL MONUMENT. Mr. TIERNEY gave notice that soon after the Holidays he %vould move, that the Sumgranted bjr Parliament 'fut• the erection of a 'Monument to COIYITTICIIIOr9IC •the Victories by Sea and Land, e laift-out in the erection of a Parish Church for that intrpoze. CrIANcELLoR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the tibject to wbic;h . he was about to call the at tention of the Ilonte was not connected with that alluded- th,C llonourabl.e Gentleman, in as much a s ap ecouomical arrangement for the boilding and enlargitivot Churches the hingdotri Was Very: .ditierent front the exection of a Monniti,nial• Chureh upon a great-licale of ornamental ucnie..lut,e. At the same titne, he was tar from being disinclined to coincide with the view,. of the Right Mon. Gentiet»an•on this subject--(Likoir, i,e4r, heal. !)—for he thought dim it the Hight lion. Gentlenum, would do him the faeour-to cown u with hi m on the sub ject, it would be found that they did not disagree. His own opinion was, that nothing could bimore fit than that national monuments should be !Ten dred applicable to purposes ot-general (Chet' jug.) • . . Mr. TIFRKEY expresSO great satisfaction at what had fallen trout the Right Lion. Gentleman on this subject. It was so notch better that this view had been adopted in that quarter in whiCh it cook be most advantageously and properly. car ried into execution, that he could not but congra tulate the House upon it. NEW CHURCHES. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the Ex- CHEQUER, the order of; the day for taking into consideration that part of the speech of the 14; ! rds Commissioners, at the opening of the Session, which recommended the building of new Churches and Chapels, was read; and the House resolved itself into a Committee on the subject. The CHANCELLOR of the Exursttatipt: thew said, t 1... c no coma. ' •cation had ever been matte from the Throne which was more entitled to the grati tude of the punlic than the present. More than a century had now elapsed since Parliament bad afforded .an accommodation to the public, by the erection of new churches. That measure, how ever, was impelled, because no more than e'even churches were then built, and since then -there had been no additional accommocktion for public worship. - Nor Ling could have a o long delayed tit: accomplishment of so nece.sary art object, but the difficulties in thick .the conntry had been placed. The lrtcreaeC of our population since the period in gut stion had reduced, the accommuda. -don to so small a proportion, that 'it became the duty of Parliament to remedy this great, and: growing inconvenience. This want of aceommo dvion arose How front the great increase of people in places which were formerly laid out into very lalge parishes. Time population had been dotibled. since the last increase a i l churches took. nlace. The average number of inhabitants ..vas 11,600. for each parish the ,iota-tse of London ; while_ in that of Oxtord the nuimber was only, 2092. There were therefore four to on more in one diocese than in anot her. The dispropurion, , were still greater in individual parishes. In the parish of St. Martin's in the Fields, there were 26,000 ionabi , ants, while in aowiter parish there were 94,000, and inliary-le-bone there were 750,000. In many parishes only a small proportion could be accommodated. There were three parishes, its which were 210,000 people who could not be ac commodated : there were eight; in which the de ficiency was front 30 to 40,000 people; anti in twelve more, the deficiency amounted to 20,000. It a church could contain one-third of ate inaa bitaats at one time, that would be a sufficient :lc commodation. , In a work published by- a Mr. Yates, it appeared that the population of Londfin was 1,129,000 ; and there were churehes only for the accommodation of 151,000,- having ; above' 900,000 persons without any accommodation. The towns of Roman origin 'were divided small e r distri c ts, and were better prosided than ihe others with churches. In the dioceses• of York and Chester the disproportipn of the num-- her of churches to the population was less than in that of London. In the - diocese of York there were 96 churches, which afforded acconanhda don for 130,000 inhabitants. The pOpnlation consisted of 720,000 souls, which consequently left 580,000 souls unprovided with church-room In the diocese of Chester there were 157 pa ishes ; the population was 2,280,000 souls, an, of these one million were unprovided with church. room. Four parts of the population of Surrey - were also without the accOmmodat ion of a church. It was not, however, to the accommodation 'which would be afforded by churches, that the benefit of the present measure was litnittd. It tvould go to increase the number of spit itual Ministers, and afford to the people a greater share of that pastoral instruction and attendance of which they stood in aced. •It would lighten the duties upon some Ministers, who had at present a great deal 100 much to do. In one parish it was stated, as, the ordinary functions-!of the Sunday, that the curate attended the church at nine o'clock in the morning, gave early service, service at eleven o'clock, and service in the afternoons— lie then baptized from 1 to 20 children, and read the burial service at from five to eight funerals. In another parish the curate bad gene rally 50 christenings on a Sunday. Upon the great festivals he had, at the least, 120.- Ile had usually to celebrate 140 banns of marriage on a Monday—they seldom were so low as 100, and on one occasion they amounted to 156. Where. the duties accumulated so much, it was morally impossible that they could •be performed with all that attention and investigation which they re quired. Impositions might pass unlimited, and thus the civil rights of individuals might •be , nrost materially.affected.—(lear !)—The outline of the measure was—be should propose the vote of one million sterling, to be paid ultimately out of ex tents in aid. This sum, though voted at once, was riot to he all issued at one time, but as the occasion required. It would be entrusted to Commissioners, who would be vested with the same powers and discretion as the Commissioners who were appointed last year for the advancement of public works. He thought this preferable to vot ing an annual sum. He should move at present for the issue of Exchequer bills to that amount, which would be chargeable on the extents in aid of a par ticular year. The Cummissipners would not con fine their inquiries as to'the necessity of building churches to the metropolis alone, they would se lect any district where it was clear to them that a want of accommodation existed, and it might be more satisfactory to the House to know that a sum out of this hind would be given to any particular parish in furtherance only-of every fair exertion on the part of the parish itself.—(Hear, hear !)—lt would be given in-the.way of encouragement_ and assistance, rathrt.thau as a complete exoneration, and so far as tie parish was unable to raise funds. of itself. In all cases the property of the incuni; petits and patrons would be lett inviolate. Power Would be given to the Commissioners to revive an old parish in a district where a new Church would . he built, and to plaCe the paristiouers under the care of a new spiritual Minister ; and where pa rochial Chapels would be built, a Curate for it would be provided by the Commissioners, who would be removable only by the Bishop of the Diocese, and , not by: the Minister of the Parish ,only. ' This, however, was not to affect the civil .rights of those Ministers, nor in any other way to diminish their jurisdiction. In his calculation of the disproportion between the number of Churches, and the amount of the population, he did not make any reduetionlor those who were not members of the Church of England. He thought that Chnrches .should be prepared for all those who might wish to attend them ; and he was sure that there Were many of the Dissenters who would attend-the Churches, 'if they could find ac commodation enough.—(Hear, hear !)—The pa rishes which would '.come forward most liberally, would receive from the Commissioners the most liberal aid ; and be anticipated great assistance from the Society for Building Churches, which had already produced much good. The patronage would fallow the line which was already in prac tice, and every-. party would have his proportion able share of it. This was a measure wholly se parate fratif'POliticiAt came home to every friend of the Church, such as %Lie those whom he _saw around him. He concluded with moving a re solutionfor the issue of Exchequer Bills, to the amount of one million sterling, for the Banditti: of New Churches. General TMORNTON expressed his satisfaction that this measure was brought forward by the Chancellm of the Exchequer. He was glad also to learn that the monument in honour of the vic tory of Waterloo would be applied to the erec tion of a Church. Sir C. MONCK thought it right that the people should he suplied with places of worship. No -thing was more likely to check the progress of Dissentera, or to reclaim them to the Church of England. He did not, howeser, hope for any great amelioration ,In the. morals of the people from the tnrasure. The City of Norwich con tained thilty-nine Churches, yet he did not think if particularly remarkable for the reli- Ohms 'or moral habits of the population. 41, therefore, any hope on these points were form ed, he was afraid it would fail. Under the prac tice of the Roman Church the same number of Churches would have been sufficient for a larger amount of population, because the Catholic houses of warship were always open, and the people were not obliged to be all there at once. It was worth consideration, then, whether some modification in the church-service .might not be necessary. The service might be shortened, or performed oftener. 'The sum of money required was a large one; but he , a w no reason why one million should be ne cessarily laid out on the one hand, nor why it tltould be limited on the of tier. He approved ge nerally of the plan which the Right Hots. Gentle man deieribed. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that he had omitted `to state, that in Oltery churches there would he free pekes for tho'se of the parish WI - JO were unable to pay for them.—(Hear, hear!) shronld:also haestated, that it was intend ed that three services should be performed each day. It 'tiii':4llt he thought advisable to increase lirpes of service caeli4day in the churches already -ocisti,g, Sand - probably some improvement might be effected in that way.—(.(Dear; . hear !) Mr. CALVERT asked, whether it was intended that the service should be subdivided ? .• The Cl-lANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER replied in the negative. Mr. W. SMITH said, that there were mony parishes so large, that those at the remote parts of them: - could not attend the churches at all. -There were some parishes in Scotland forty miles long ; and he knew one parish in which, from some of the parisioners, the church was thirty piles : di-stant. He hoped, therefore, that some ,attention, would be paid to that part of the king- • dom. • The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, tha there was no objection to submit a separate urea , sure for Scotland. Dr. PHILLIMORE thought the measure altoge ther unexceptionable. The question was then put. The Resolution was agreed to neon dis. Report to-morrow. BAILIFF OF WESTMINSTER. Mr. BANKEs moved for an account of the San nual profits and emoluments of any kind .re cciwed•by the Bailiff of Westminster since , 'lBO7, distinguishing each year.-- 7 Agreed ta. TITHE LAWS BILL. Mr. CualvEN moved the Order of the Day foi the second reading of the 'tithe Laws Amendurnt He stated his intention, if the flOnse permit the Bill to go into a.•Committee,...to strike out•the clause which referred to modules ; dud .he disclaimed any - intention whatever" to interfere 'with the church property. • Sir W. SCOTT opposed the motion, lie thought it hardly nscvmary,,, to „state. to the House what compositions were... They were sums of money agreed to be received in lieu of the tithes by the . Clergy. But it many cases, from the inattention or the necessities of an incumbent, compositions were agreed fo by him, which created considerable ross . to his successors. It was not sufficient in the consideration . of the law to set up an habitual usage as to the amount of the composition, be cause it may have arisen from various unjust causes; and in most of the cases no evidence could be procured of the original contract for a modns. He objected to the clause of the Bill which rendered the evidence of living memory suf ficient to establish the freedom of certain portions of land thee paying tithes. This completely threw back the onus probandi upon the incumbent, which he thought highly injurious to the pro perty-of the Church. He concluded with moving, as an amendment, that the Bill'should be read-a second time this day six months. Sir S. ROMILLY regretted that the Right Hon. Gentleman should have moved such an ansuadmeat ~'~ :, to the motion, because he had objections to some of the clauses.. To some of these clauses be (Sir S. Romilly), had alsci objections, but of tlall principle of it he fully approved. He though t it would effect a great improvement in the lal and that it• Was extremely unjust to represe nt it as innovating upon the rights and properq of the church— On the .contrary,, the Bill. went rather to guard that property. The Bill iv° destined to remedy evils which unquestiorilab l l existed. It was said that habitual usage,eoto not be pleaded for the continuation of a modal' —This was extremely unjust. Lands were 'pot' chased, which, at the time of their being purer chased, were declared to be tithe'free.. , Hence, usage was not sufficient, what manifest injustice would arise if tithes were claimed, and if th e Courts of Justice would, as in many cases tbel did, restore the former tithes ! Bit, said the Righ t Hon. Gentleman, let the original instrument be produced, to prove the contract for a modus. was difficult, however, to preserve instruments for upwards of 300 years, and if living memory were not allowed to be appealed to, to prove the pre' scriptive usage, it was clear there could be little security for the right to any moth's. It was th e object of the Bill to remove those evils, and i t would not he doing justice to a subject of suc h importance to reject the Bill upon its secon d reading. This was saying little more than tha t the subject ought not to be discussed: Mr. WETH BEALL objected to the commitment of the Bill. The existing tithe laws were not ac' mica from any quarter of involving a single toe itist principle. He saw no reason why the lascs i upon the subject which had been administers for centuries in the courts of jostice should be al' tered. At least, a stronger case than he had yet heard of should be made out, in order to sup' port that innovation. M Y (of Cambridge) opposed the, Bill generally. • Mr. CURWEN replied. Mr. BROUGHAM spoke in favour of the Bill, 1 011 Mr. PEEL against it. The Elnuse then (Evid e d,...— For the second reading 15 Against it 44 .• Majority .. .49 The Bill was consequtntly I Est. The Longitude Bill went through a Committee, and the Report was then brought up and received, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time to- runrrow.—'Tie Ilusbandly Eloise Diary 13 11 was read a third time acid passed.—Adjourned at Oas o'Clock. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. ATTEMPTED ASSASSINATION. • MARLBOROUGH-STRBET.—Leon de CaSSilta, Frenchman, a man short in stature, and a squalid appearance, was charged with actipi ol felony, it; wounding Gilbert Mathias, a French" man, and a Roman Catholic Pr4st, with a broad sword, on Sunday morning, during Divine Set° vice,. at the Spanish Chapel, in Thayer-streeto Manchester-square. The particulars were stated in yesterday's paper. In defence the prisoner declared, that he went to the chapel for the pH" pose of murde ring the Priest, and that he was at - 'l' wated to this horrible deed in consequei/ce o f 1110 prosecntor having caused hitn to be turned out of the chapel, and rousing him the Saer4rneot, ort the grounds of :..ha City. He therefore could not receive the Sactlment in any other chapel, an d . he was resolved t o kill th e Cl ergym a n . Th e pa' saner was remanded. FIRE AT THE OLYMPIC THEATRE. Bow-SraßeT.---Yesterday two firemen, on e belonging to the County Fire-office, the other to Another office, together with a turncock of the New River Company applied to Mr. Bragre foc his signature to certificates, authorising then) V 7 receive the rewards allowed by Act of Parliamen t to the first and second engines, and the turocnek •for attending .at the Olympic Theatre. iti.lArycly . street, which. had been on fire yesterday morning- They stated that the season of the performances closed on Saturday evening, and a man was yes' terday employed to. clean the Theatre: Ile had fire in the fire-place at the back of the stage, mil imprudently put a large quantity of waste paper , &c. into tie' fire, which blazed an the chimney' which being made of iron, soon became red bot• The fire being happily discovered, was. soon 'CV' tinguished without the, necessitypf, playing the engines. The Magistrates signed the Certificates , and informed - the men they ci , ere to"receive the reward.s.frpnk the Parish Officers of St. Clement Danes, in which parish the Theatre is situated , who would recover them from Mr. kiliston, the proprietorof the Theatre. „ . By . a decision of the Court of Session on Toes' day, list, the late election of Magistrates for the: city of Aberdeen has been' totally set aside, ant the Burgh 'consequently disfranchised. A Provi' sionat ManageMent has been' established until A new Charter. can 'be obtained ; for which a Fetid' titan to itoy'3l HighnesS the PRINCE REGENT in Council will be forthwith addressed by the Citizens, praying for a Charter, probably on the terms in the one granted to the town of Mon trose. E ev BIRTH, Yesterday, in Burlington-street,,the Marchioness of ttit' glesey of a Fon. On the Wth instant, at liastingi, the Lady of Edward Mil-. ward, Esq. of a still-born male child. A!ARRIEI). Yesterday, 'at Clapham Church, by the Rey. W. Dealt*. Robert Edward Rod well, Esq. to 'Helen, eldest daughter of George Liddell, Esq. Secretary to the Levant Company. On Thursday last, at St: Mary's, Lambeth, James William Wallack, Esq. of the Theatre Royal, Drury-lane, to Georgian* Susanna, daughter of John Johnstone, Esq.' of the same Theatre. DIED. On the 25th ult. Lieut.• Colonel George Robertson, late of the Canadian Fencibles. On the 24th of September, 1317, at Cambay, in the Eas t Indies, the Rev. John Rawlins, son of John Rawlins, Esq• and a Chaplain on the Bombay Establishment. At Avranches, in France, on the Ist inst. Lieutenant Writ• Cartwright, R. N. • LONDON: Printed by J. B. CARSTAIRS, of No. 29, treat °mond-street, Queen-square; and publi s h e d by W. SCRIPPS, of No. 7, South Molton-street, at TILE 8 03 Office, No. 112, Strand ; where Advertisements, Ordoso Letters, &c. (post-paid) must be addressed.