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MARYLEBONE ELECTION. LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 27, 1838. No. 14,184. PRICE sd. to he sent to the gentlemen. He did not at the time know that Mr. Ivamy was in the interest of Mr. Ewart.—( Great interruption, hisses, groans, and scoffing, for some minutes. ) He supported Mr. Ewart because he thought that gentleman would unite in his int?rest a greater number of Reformers than Colonel Thompson or Lord Nugent.--(lncreased uproar, amidst which Mr. Wilson retired. Mr. SAVAGE then came forward, and was received with loud cries of " Off, off.") The CHAIRMAN said that Mr. Savage and also Mr. Murphy wished to address the meeting.—(lndescribable uproar.) The Chairman requested order to be preserved. The point to which Mr. Savage wished to speak was, that if Mr. Ewart alone contested the borough, Lord Teignmouth would be de feated; whereas, if Mr. Ewart gave way to Col. Thompson, the latter would not be returned, and the Tory would get in.— (Cries of " Oh, oh !" laughter and cheers.) The Chairman further stated that Mr. Murphy would speak afterwards in dis proof of that statement. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. Mr. SAVAGE (who was at first greatly interrupted) mounted on the table in front of the Chair, and stated his object to be that which had been explained by the Chairman. The con stituency consisted of 12,000 electors, and was divided into ten electoral districts ; and from the canvas at the last elec tion he was convinced that Colonel Thompson was too bold speaking a Radical to be elected, even if he were not opposed by another Liberal.—( Hissing and clapping of hands— renewed disorder.) The Tories were stronger than either the Whigs or the Radicals separately, and so convinced were they of the weakness of Colonel Thompson and their own strength, which had increased since the last election, that they were sending their agents in every direction to ob tain votes for him to the prejudice of Mr. Ewart.—(Cheers and applause from the friends of the latter; deafening groans, hisses, and cries of Off, off," from the Thompsonians.) The CHAIRMAN took the sense of the meeting by a show of hands, whether Mr. Savage should be heard, when the negative was carried by an immense majority, and amidst loud cheering. The resolution in favour of Col. Thompson was then carried by acclamation, about twelve hands being held up against it. Mr. Harvey then retired from the Chair, when a vote of thanks was passed with enthusiastic applause. Mr. G. A. Young then took the Chair, when Colonel Thompson thanked the meeting for the resolution. Mr. McaPny was then called upon, to answer the statements of Messrs. Wilson and Savage. He went into a long statement of the proceedings of the different sections of the Reformers at elections under the Reform Bill, throwing upon the supporters of Mr. Ewart the blame of disunion. He contended that if the Radicals of the other parishes in the borough would bestir themselves like those of St. Pancras, they would refute the petty statements of Mr. Savage. The principal members of Mr. Ewart's committee held situations under the Whigs.—( Hisses.) Thanks were voted to Mr. Young as Chairman, and the meeting separated. COL THOMPSON (in continuation from our First Edition of yesterday) said that he and his friends went away. Mr. Hume took the chair after that time, and the newspapers announced that Mr. Flume said he hoped all parties would have a fair and impartial hearing.—( Cheers and laughter.) He was told on the authority of an individual present that Mr. Hume said the meeting was not for the purpose of serving any particular man, but of deciding upon a Representative.—(" He did.") Would the gentlemen who confirmed this assertion say whether Mr. flume also called to the persons at the extremity of the room, begging them to come forward, saying he wished exery body !to hear, he wished the whole parish to hear.— (" Hes said so.") How did they proceed afterwards? They took ea show of hands as to which representative should stand., (Laughter.)-- Was any thing so absurd ever before heard of ?—(" It is not true.") The report in the news paper tstated that only two or three hands were held up for Colortsil Thompson. —(Laughter.) By what miracle could three 'hands be held up for Colonel Thompson if no show of hands took place ?—( Cheers and laughter.) He (Colonel Thom ripen) would not for one consent to march longer under adei rs who exposed the Liberal cause to such extreme degra datim t and contempt.—(Loud cheers.) What were • the charges thrown out by the Tories ? He would not attempt to go into the whole cf their vocabulary, but they called the I Zr:formers scurvy names ; and would they march under men evho exposed them to the risk of the Tories ?- --(Loud cries of "No, no.") Let them merely, then, bear hi.s (Col. Thompson's) determination. From ;this time there vas a split, unless explanations the most perfect, the most complete, were made by the other party—unless they knew ;by what new mathematical principles both these asser tions iaould be true—that the proceeding was an error of the Distri et C omm itt ee , an d st ill t h at when he ( Col. Thompson) and hi 3 friends were sent away, Mr. Hume, nevertheless, hoped all parties would be fairly and impartially heard.— ( Che ers.) Unless it was explained in the clearest manner, he di .savowed and cast from him all connection with the party whic h showed itself so very ignorant of what constituted the real strength of a party as depending on their reputation. He (Colonel Thompson) was a man who spoke out plainly. He. bated every thing like introduction of personal acerbity into politics, but there were limits beyond which no man could endure. He would not " march through Coventry," with t hem. He would not lose his reputation by being seen in cot tnection with such a party as that had proved itself to he. Be protested against the miserable system by which the bight tar of the Tory advent to power was held up as likely to redue x them to the situation by which every danger they couli f suffer from the Tories would be small in comparison. WEN at was the worst of servility ? A conqueror's satrap throw n within their gates.—( Cheers.) Lord John Russell was. the satrap--Sir Robert Peel thb conqueror.—( Great ehrsering. ) It' the Tories had been in office they would not la re undertaken the measures which the Whigs had done. 'The Dorchester labourers, for instance—( Cheers)—would the Tories have ventured on that with a liberal opposition ?- 4(N0.) They were much too wise and teo intelligent to have 'committed themselves in such a manner. The Glasgow cotton : spinners --would a Tory Government have acted as the Liberal Government had done in that instance ?—(No.) On the trial the jury were divided eight to seven, which in England would have been a triumphant acquittal.—( Cheers.) He now came to another subject. Did any one think that if the Tories had been in office they would have presumed to take away the pri vilege of regulating the right of supply, which the Whigs had ( lone with complete success, by trying the question first in Canada ?—(Hear, hear, and cheers.) They would not. Now, he wished to make a short explanation with respect to a subject of another kind. They no doubt had heard asserted that h c had littered strong sentiments on the subject of Canada. He admitted that the charge was true; he had uttered strong sen timents, for he had intended them to be strong, but he denied that he lead used all the e xp ress i ons w hi c h h a d b een attr ib ute d to him.. What he said was this, " that as the Ministry had seined. on the supplies of Canada without the consent of the Hisusa of Assembly they had committed an net of treason— (lieer hear)—which Englishmen if they were wise would PlAni sh when they were able."—( Hear, hear, and cheers.) Thai: he had said, and would say again in the House of Com mon s, if ho could fi n d a cons ti tuency th at wou ld put hi m i n the - position of being able, not only to make the assertion, but to prove it.—( Hear, hear, hear, and cheers.) He had certi only stated at the time he made that assertion, that the prool'which he would give that the act which he had alluded to was treasonable, was to be adduced from history, for a King h iad suffered at the scaffold for th e very same thing. — (Hear , ea t.) That was all he had said. Th e o th er sen ti ments t h at bad been attributed to him w ere f a l se an d exaggerate d. H e had said - nothing that could in any way be construed into dis l'espeot 'or disloyalty towards their present gracious Queen,— ( Pea'r, hear.) Another charge against him was that he had %gen tedhimself from the division on Church-rates. Now Wh at MIS the fact—a meeting of his constituents at Hull w al called on the occasion of the Queen's attaining her majority which they summoned him to attend. He under- S tood 'the Ministerial manceuvre that took place with respect to that division, and he did not hesitate to obey their commands. He 'walked out of the House of Commons that very night with his orders in his pocket, put himself into the mail, and Went to Hull, where he declared his reasons for supporting the Government of the Princess Victoria, and for that he had been attacked in the newspapers, and denominated the man Who had talked about a crick in the neek.—( Cries of " ime.") He admitted that he had made such a statement, but i n using those words he begged to say they were /let his own, but those of one of the greatest wits of the day, Va laaire.—( Cheers.) The question involved was whether r " . leal principles should be put clown in Marylebone forever. ---,,,ltties of "It shall not.") There was no place better o .cd than Marylebone for the introduction into the metro la 415 ° boroughs of the pri nc ipl es o f R a di ca li sm . —( Ch eers . ) a Q tr usted,therefore, that every exertion'would be used to place s advo cates at the head of the poll. If they w e re not t k ti r , c cessful they would have covered themselves with h onour .— •ties of " no , no ," an d o f " yes .") H e wou ld rea d i l y c h ange e e xpression —they would save themselves from disgrace._ Slot successful, their sacrifices would be but few, and it R 11 1(1 be absurd to place those sacrifices in competition h. the establishment of the great principle of liberal -1,411A in Marylebone.—( Cheers.) It might, it was true, " Q said that Marylebone was fairly beaten upon the P r esent occasion, but if it was so he would point to the many Vi ctories wh i c h t h at d e f eat h a d b een t h e cause o f.—( Ch eers .) 'l.l conclusion, he trusted that those present would go home to their wives and families, and ask them whether they would have received them better if on the present occasion they had given / : 4 3 - . titan they would for having declared their determination fight the battle to the last.—( Cheers.) The Gallant Co °net retired amid loud and long-continued cheering. i ‘k YOUNG came forward amidst conflicting cries of Yo ung," " Ewart," cheers, hisses, groans, and clapping of i t a t 'as• He appeared for the purpose of proposing a reso -I°4 in favour of the return of Colonel Thompson.— (heers.) The enemies of his Gallant Friend might pre :lt his being heard, but he trusted the me e ti ng would " r ra away a just estimate of such conduct. He did not '"me there as one unknown to the borough.--(Cheers, and C ry of " Oh, you are well known." Laughter.) He tPPeared as an e l ec t or t o exerc i se hi s j us t r i g h t i s exp l a i n i ng th e 7 , h ground s upon which he should give his vote. When Cu!. , ca'npson formerly came forward as a candid a te, h e re ti re d 7f,soon as he f oun d h e cou ld no t h ave a ma j or i ty .—( H ear . ) n at was one ground on which he supported him.—( Hear, . tt Q!kti and lo u d c h eer i ng .) A ga i n , i t was we ll k nown t h at i n i 44 borough and parish the strongest feeling prevailed favour of l oca l se lf- governmen t, an d i n o pp os i t i on to t h e 1 'resale pri nc i p l e o f centra li sat i on . I t was to t h e pr i nc i p l e 1 10 kcal government that England and also that great country a e t eond th e A t l ant i c which had - sprung from England owed ‘ir liberty.—( Cheers, and cries of " Question.") On the Contrary, all the despotism of the Continent was fo u nd e d Pon t; the principle of centralisation.--( Hear hear, and e,ering, with great interruption.) That was the prin- Z°e of the N ew P oor -l aw . —( V e h emen t c h eer i ng .) aid they support M r. E wart, w h o was t h e b o ld an d un tf°t9aomising a d vocate o f t h e centra li s i ng , d espot i c pr i nc i p l e ° that Bill ?—( Ch eers an d cr i es o f " N o , no .") A person :the crowd saying, Mr. Ewart is not an advocate of,that Tneiple.) Mr. Y. proceeded:—lf it could be shown at M r . E wart was opposed to the principle, he would l a t ' s Paort hi m . —(Ch eers .) M r . Y. t h en rea d extracts f rom Ewart's speeches in Parliament, showing that he had 134 PPorted the principle of the Bill, expressly because it was o ne of centralisation. He (Mr. Y.) believed Mr. Ewart's aPinion on this subject to be su c h as cou ld no t b e enterta i ne d by any man who had correct notions of liberty on any other Point.—( Cheers and great confusion.) He concluded by moving a resolution in favour of Colonel Thompson's return. Mr. VINCENT seconded the resolution, in a speech of consi derable length, in which he was variously interrupted by cheers and disapprobation from the two parties, the former greatly preponderating. He supported Colonel Thompson a e n e s 4 a t 'se he was first in the field ; because he was op tQv to the factions who were striving to oppress and ut down the people of England, and because he was a i h f u llaorter of those Radical and representative prin sfra for which the borough of Marylebone had ever been b e "th geished. H e p re f erre d th a t gentleman to Mr. Dwarf, cause th e latter came into the borough under the patron iitQ of the Whigs, who feared to let Colonel Thompson an Parliament, because they were hostile to the '17 1 (:1 Ple, and to the principles of freedom of which Colonel la, d c '. lll Paon was the strenuous advocate. He called on the , and l cals of Marylebone to crowd to the poll on Thursday a atb give th e i r votes in favour of the man who Lad already sorved the great constituency of that northern bo i,pugh, which once had the honour of sending Andrew Marvel 13, P arliament.—( Applause. ) 'La o The CHAIRMAN, before he put the resolution, appealed to 4 r , meeting to give an attentive hearing to Mr. Wilson and i„ °tiler gentleman, who wished to make explanations respect- s etae things that had been said. r ni "o• IVILSON then came forward, and was received with ta a ll ,gled lau g ht er an d a ppl ause . He d en i e d, i n th e outse t, the'' Reformers had any party purpose. The difficulty which g t - it had to contend with in this borough I t form er contest was, that they had to select from la, M any able men. There existed in the borough three lellesentative bodies, elected under the Ballot and House he 4 S'uffrage. The opinion of these bodies was taken, and (l e er. W.) gave up the support of his own candidate, in al so -t enee to the sense of the majority. He mentioned that to r w that he was not a man to create dissent amongst the Re -I;)ktrners, by pressing forward the person whom he in his p.ri judgment p re f erre d.—( H ear .) When the late decisio n t' ,° 4l nst the return of Sir S. Whalley was knwn, the Re tkers had no time to lose. A deputation, o chosen of an (Gil numb er f rom eac h o f t h e par i s h e s, was appointed.— xeat disapprobation and hisses, and cries at. MURPHY denied that.— (Cheers and laughter.) Wiesoe said that he had addressed notes to thirty k ll s tlemeri in St. Pancras, whom he knew to be leading e'onners, and he committed the notes to Mr, Ivamy, PRIVATE BUSINESS OF PARMA MENT. SUB-COMMITTEE ON PETITIONS FOR BILLS, No. 3. Sir J. Y. BULLER in the chair. Comb Merton (Devonshire) Roads. Notices proved. 6671. Ios., as the tenth of the estimated expense, deposited with the Clerk of the House of Commons, order 9th Novem ber. Standing Orders unopposed. Standing Orders com plied with. Refuge for the Destitute Ihstitution.—Petition read. It was decided that Standing Orders did not apply to the Bill. National Loan Fund Assurance Company.—ln this case it was also decided that no Standing Orders apply. Portsmouth Floating Bridge.—Notices proved. Owing to the plans not being brought from the Private Bill Office, case postponed. West India Dock Company.—This was a petition to enable the West India Dock Company to complete a contract they had made with the East India Dock Company to purchase the Docks of the East India Company, and apply one of them as a dock for steamers, and for the future to bear the name of The East and West India Dock Company." There were no notices given. Mr. Longman, Secretary to the Company, stated that the Court of Directors had only met early in this month, and consequently notices could not be given under the Standing-Orders—a written statement was put in to that effect. Committee decided that Standing Order had not been complied with, and that the appeal to suspend them must be made to the Committee on Standing Orders—unopposed. Huddersfield Water Company.—Notices proved—no datum line named in the plan, and a very stupid witness who was called could not show the datum line, though the Committtce themselves proved it—estimated expense 3,750/.-3501. de posited in the Bank as a tenth. It was stated that the Bank of England have now agreed to receive deposits, without binding Mr. Ley, the Clerk of the House of Commons, in whose name such deposits are directed to be made—unopposed. Cookham Bridge.—Notices proved—Estimated expense 4,050/.-40a. deposited—Unopposed—Standing Orders com plied with. Portsmouth Floating Bridge.—Resumed—Estimated ex pense 15,0001.—Subscription contract 16,000/.—Deposit in the Bank 1,600/.—Unopposed—Standing Orders complied with. Bolton and Preston Railway.--To extend powers and make branches—Opposed by John Swift, of Liverpool, on ground of non-compliance with the Standing Orders. It was stated that the North Union Railway had been in negotiation with promoters of the Bill till last Friday, when the negotiation was broken off, and there was time now to oppose by present ing a petition—Committee decided that it was matter for the House to consider, but not for them—lt was contended that in many points the Standing Orders had not been complied with. The Committee, after considerable discussion, ordered the room to be cleared, after which they announced their decision, that the question of compliance with the Standing Orders, as to notices, must be gone into seriatim, as if the petitioners were applying for a new Bill. The notices were then gone into, as also the available capital of the Company. It being announced that the Speaker was at prayers, the Committee adjourned until to-morrow at one o'clock. SUB-COMMITTEE, No. 4. Mr. GREEN in the Chair. Ellesmere Road.—Notices proved. Chairman took an ob jection that no notice had been given to the Surveyors of a highway which it was proposed to make a turnpike road. The Committee decided that the Bill being to extend a turnpike road along another highway, notice ought to have been given to the Surveyors of such highway, and consequently that the Standing Orders had not been complied with. Great Worley (Essex) Inclosure.—Petition read from va rious owners and occupiers of land in the parish of Worley, &c., praying for Bill to inclose. Notices proved. Unop posed. Standing Orders complied with. Gravesend Cemetery.—Petition read, praying for a Bill to form a Cemetery Company. Notices proved—unopposed. Standing Orders complied with. Haverfordwest Inclosure.—Petition read, from freemen of Haverfordwest, for Bill to enclose certain lands. Notices proved—unopposed. Standing Orders complied with. Leeds and Hornefield Lane-end Road.—Petition read, from trustees of said road, for an extension of powers and an increase of tolls. Notices proved. The Committee decided that, as the petition prayed to widen the road (thus bringing the Bill into the class No. 2), notices ought to have been placed on the church door, which had been omitted ; and that therefore the Standing Orders had not been complied with. Luton and St. Alban's Road.—Petition read, for continuing and extending the term of this Turnpike-road Act. The Committee decided, that no notice having been given in the London Gazette, the Standing Orders had not been suffi ciently complied with. Wortley, Armley, and Bramley Road.—Petition read, praying the amendment and enlargement of this Turnpike road Act. The Committee decided, that no notices having been given, excepting i n th e L on d on G azette an d County papers (omitting notices to owners and occupiers on the line of road sought to be affected by the Bill), the Standing Or ders had not been sufficiently complied with. Oldham Gas Light and Waterworks Company.—Petition read—from Gas Light and Waterworks Company, praying extension and amendment of powers of Act, to purchase land, and erect additional gas and waterworks, &c. Notices proved —unopposed. Turton and E ntw i stle Reservoir.—The consideration of this Bill was postponed until 'Wednesday next. ELECTION COMMITTEES. (Concluded from our Second Edition of yesterday.) IPSWICH. After hearing evidence and Counsel, The COMMITTEE decided that the vote was bad. The Liberals had no further obje c ti ons to ma k e, an d as Mr. Kelly was now in a majority of ono. The COMMITTEE came to the resolution that Mr. Kelly was duly elected, but that the opposition to the petition against Mr. Tuffnell's return was not frivolous or vexatious. NEWCASTLE•--A terrible snow storm has taken place, which lasted sixteen hours, and was accompanied with a most violent tempest, and many shipwrecks, we fear, may be apprehended. A valued correspondent informs us that a liberal subscription has been entered•into for the poor. The Corporation headed the subscription with loot. Yesterday morning about one o'clock the policeman on duty in Kensington-terrace discovered part of the premises of Mr. Grafton, checsemonger, on fire. He alarmed the in mates and neighbours, and proceeded for the parish engine, which promptly arrived; others quickly came up. On their arrival the premises were enveloped in flames, and Mr. Francis Brothers and family, at the second floor windows, imploring assistance to escan. The firemen fixed their ladders to each other and raised them against the windows, and succeeded in rescuing Mr. Brothers and family. There was a plentiful supply of water. The adjoining premises were saved from de struction. The stock and premises were insured. HOUSE OF LORDS, FEB. 26. ROYAL COMMISSION. The Loan CHANCELLOR, the Archbishop of CANTERBURY, and the Marquis of LANSDOWNE, sat as Commissioners, and gave the Royal Assent to the following Bills, viz.—The Ex. chequer Bills Bill, the Transfer in Aids Bill, and the Water. ford Grand Juries Bill. The House then adjourned during pleasure. The Loan Citexceeeort took his scat on the Woolsack at a few minutes past five o'clock. Lord WYNFORD presented a petition from the Hundred of Glossop, in the city of Derby, signed by between 400 and 500 persons, against the workhouse system under the New Poor Act A men d men t Bill, an d p ra ying for an alteration in it. . Lord L ANSDOWNE gave notice, that ho should not proceed with the Presbyterian (Ireland) Bill which had c ome up from the Ho us e of Commons, as his Noble and Learned Friend, the Lord Chief Justice of the Court of Que en ' s Bench, was about to bring in a Bill on this subject, which would be much more extensive and satisfactory. PENITENTIART. Lord L YNDIIURST desired to call the attention of the House, and particularly her !Majesty's Ministers, to a sub ject of great importance to the public, and to the administra tion of justice. The Penitentiary at Millbauk was in tended to be regularly visited by the Magistrates of the county, and was under the superintendence of the Secretary of State and of the persons in that office. It was therefore of the utmost importance that every thing which took place in that institution should be observed with the greatest vigilance, and every thing like abuse in it made the subject of the strictest investigation. He was informed that three very young female children had been for a considerable time confined under the se parate or solitary system in that establishment. Their Lordships would be surprised to learn that the youngest of these children when first committed to that prison was of the tender age of seven years and a half. Another was only eight years ; and the other had not reached its tenth year !—( Hear, hear.) He felt called on to bring this subject before their Lord ships, more particularly from the part he had taken last Ses sion upon the Bills that came up from the other House of Parliament, to mitigate the Criminal Law. There were clauses in those Acts, imposing in some instances two years solitary confinement, and in some instances, ho be lieved, five years. Lord BROUGHAM—Not solitary confinement. Lord LYNDHURST—Yes, solitary confinement for car jtain crimes. He (Lo r d L yn dh urst ) ca ll ed their Lordships ' at 'attention to that, and th e H ouse agreed unanimously with him, that in no instance should there be more than one month's solitary confinement at a time ; and in no nstance more than three months in one year.— (Hear, hear.) In the case of the youngest child to which he had just alluded, she had been already in separate confinement for thirteen months, under a commit ment for three years. The others had been sentenced for periods of about the same duration, but had not yet suffered a punishment so extensive. To show their Lordships how utterly improper such a punishment must be for infants of such tender years, he had to inform them that when one of them was brought into the prison, and when the matron asked her what she could do for her, she said to the matron—" Give ,me a doll f'—( Hear, he ar .) A n d one morn i ng they were found sleeping in their beds with their bed-clothes pressed up .., somewhat into the shape of a doll, and graSped in her arms as if indicating their anxious desire to have even some appearance of society witlithern. —( Hear, hear.) He had bet n further told by a magistrate that in conversing with one of those children in this prison, which was under the direction of her Majesty's Ministers, it was easy to observe that she had suffered from this system of separate confinement by the impediment that had happened to her speech. It was extraordinary that in a prison which was meant to be a pattern prison such abuses should exist. The youngest child to whom he had referred had been committed for theft ; that theft was committed at the instance of the mother; the mother was tried for receiving the goods ; the mother was sentenced to six months' imprison ment, and the infant was sentenced to transportation, which was commuted to three years imprisonment in the Penitentiary. By the law of England, a wife could not be found guilty of felony committed in the presence of her husband—for what reason ? On account of the influence the husband was sup posed to have over her. What comparison was there between the influence that the husband could be supposed to have over a wife, and the influence a mother had over her infant daughter of seven years of age ? He did not mean to say but by the law of England this infant might have been found guilty, but the influence of the mother and the age of the child ought to have weighed with those who had to pass the sentence as well as with those who had to carry that sentence into execution.—( Hear, hear.) It was by mere accident that these circumstances had come to light. A gentleman had obtained au order to visit that institution from curiosity, or for the purposes of science, and he made the discovery. He made the discovery known to one of her Majesty's Ministers; and had he not done so it was probable those children would have been confined during the whole period for which were s en t ence d. Wh et h er h er M a j esty ' s Ministers had interfered he was not correctly informed ; but having thus publicly made a statement of these circumstances, he trusted that Ministers would now effectually interpose to pre vent a recurrence of such injustice. This was not all. He was informed that two young men, one of' the age of 17, and another rather more tl - in. 20 years of age had been committed to solitary confinement also in the Penitentiary for a-year. What was the result ? One was an actice, and intelligent young man when he went in, but he came out an idiot, and was now confined as an idiot in Merylebone workhouse, not capable of even of being employed to break stones.—( Hear.) The other was not of the same intelligence, but he came out also an idiot. Was it possible that such abuses could be permitted to go on in a prison under the management of her Majesty's Government ? It was the more important he should make this statement in the face of the public and of her Majesty's Ministers, at the moment when there was an intention existing of extending this sytcm to different prisons throughout the country.—( Hear. ) He hoped their Lordships would see the absolute necessity of great caution in the exercise of their power, before they assented to such an extension, because the circumstances he had now bronglit forward deeply concerned not only the welfare of society, but every man who had a particle of humane feeling. (Hear, hear.) Ho would conclude by moving for a return of the number of children who had been committed to the Penitentiary, during the last seven years, under the age of sixteen years—and distinguishing the sex—the (periods of commit ment, and whether originally sentenced to be confinedthcre, or confined there under a commutation of some other sentence. Lord MELBOURNE said, that there could be no doubt that those facts coming to the attention of the Noble and Learned Lord, it would have been improper for him to have withheld making them public; but, at the same time, considering the nature of those facts, considering the effect which a statement of them was likely to have upon the character of those who were at the head of that establishment, and considering, too, the effect which the statement of them was likely to have upon the public mind, he could not help thinking that the Noble and Learned Lord had acted in a manner not the most fair and just to those whose characters were thus to be impeached, in not giving some notice of his intention to bring forward the sub ject, particularly as he had concluded his statement by a mo tion, in order that some one might have been prepared to have given an answer to the statement, and to have pointed out any exaggeration it might have contained. The Noble and Learned Lord, from the habits of his profession, well knew the effect which the first word had on all occasions. He know that the effect to be produced by his calm and artful state ment was not likely very easily to be removed. He knew that an explanation, however satisfactory, would come a little too late after such a statement, and when the effect had been produced which was likely to be engraven so deeply by the manner in which the Noble Lord had made it. He contended that it was due, not to the Government for that signified nothing, but that it was due to the officers at the head of that establishment, and whose characters were deeply implicated by what the Noble and Learned Lord had stated, that he should have given them the opportunity of having their de fence recorded. With respect to the circumstances of the various cases to which the Noble and Learned Lord had re ferred, he ( Lord M.) was totally unacquainted with them. In the general principles the Noble and Learned Lord had laid down, it was impossible for him not entirely to concur. They were completely self-evident ; but, considering the effect this statement was likely to have upon the character of those who are engaged in so awful and responsible a duty, the Noble and Learned Lord would have acted more properly if he had given notice of his intention. Lord L YND /I UR ST said, the statement he made was calm, but he could assure their Lordships it was not artful. The Noble Lord professed to be ignorant of the circumstances of those cases. Why, there was not an individual in the me tropolis who did not now know of them, and they had been the subject of correspondence with the Secretary of State for the Home Department. For the Noble Lord to be ignorant of them therefore showed him to be as neglectful of duty in that respect as he showed himself to be (as we uuderstood) ig norant of his political duty. Lord BROUGHAM said that it was only by accident he had been prevented from falling into the offence which had drawn down upon his Noble and Learned Friend all the N o ble Viscount's vituperation. He (Lord Brougham), knew, by painful experience, how that vituperation would have fallen on him, if accident had not placed his Noble Friend in the position which he had intended to take. Nothing was more apparent than the tranquillity of men in place, who were satisfied when they had made a solitude around them, and called it peace.—( Hear, hear.) The fact that by the Secretary of State's order, children of the ages of seven or ten years were subjected to three years' im prisonment in solitude was not denied, and it was ~ne which called for all the thunder of public indignation. If he had found any parallel case amongst the cruelties charged against the masters of appre n ti ces, h e wou l d have topped w i t h it the climax of those statements by which he was lately come pelled in duty to harrow their Lordship's feelings.—(" Hear," After a few words from Mr. PLUNIPTRII and Mr. Alder man from Lord Lyndhurst.) ! Coreeeen. which were totally inaudible in the gallery, Lord MELBOURNE contended that if the object of in- I Mr. HUME said that although this was a private Bill, it troducing this subject had not been to excite further clamour, affected the public more than any other private Bill. The notice would have been given, as was usual in all such cares. community there were divided as to the proper exercise If the Noble Duke ( Wellington) were present, he would not of the power which was given by the Acts, and it was have taken such a course, because lie was a man of honour and to remove these doubts that this Bill was brought for a gentleman. I ward, and he thought the best way was to allow it to Lord LYNDHURST asked in what way he was to I go to the Committee between which the complaints of the interpret the expression of the Noble Viscount, that the parties might be inquired into, and the Bill be brought out Duke of Wellington, being a man of honour and a gentle- satisfactory to both parties. He should therefore vote for the man would not have acted as be (Lord Lyndhurst) had acted. second reading. Lord MELBOURNE rose and bowed. Mr. HODGES explained. Lord LYNDHURST was then leaving the House, wh en Th e gallery was then cleared for a division. On our re- Lord BROUGHAM appealed to his Noble and Learned admission, the numbers were declared to be— Friend to stay for a moment. Lord Brougham then said that no For the second reading man durst—no man durst—in a Parliamentary sense —say that Against it e 44 another acted unlike a man of honour, in not giving notice Majority —l5l of his intention to bring any subject before the House. Such The Bill was then read a second time. notice was a matter of courtesy, and not of right. After some discussion the Committee on the Bill was Lord LYNDHURST then asked if the Noble Viscount ordered to the Kent List. had intended to impute to him conduct unworthy of a man of Mr. WALL ACE presented a petition from Greenock, honour and a gentleman ? praying that no grant of money might be made for the pur- Lord MELBOURNE replied, that in referring to the pose of inereasine endowments in Scotland. Noble Duke who was absent, he had only intended to say, The Deputy Usher of the Black Rod hero entered the that from his sense of propriety, and the scrupulous care House, and summoned the Speaker to the Lords, for the pur which he always took to inform those opposed to him of any pose of hearing the Royal assent given to certain Bills, but not subject which he intended to bring forward respecting them, one Hon. Member followed the Right Hon. Gentleman, he (Lord M.) was convinced he would. not adopt the which occasioned some merriment in the House, each Member course adopted by the Noble and Learned Lord. But, appearing exceedingly anxious to retain the scat he was already although he did not recollect in what words he had expressed in possession of. himself, he was sure he did not mean to cast any im- On the SPEAKER'S return, he informed the House putatien on the Noble and Learned Lord (Lyndhurst.) that the Royal Assent had been given by Commission to cer- POOR-LAW. tain Bills, for which se e L or d' s report. Lord R EDESDALE presented a petition from Kidder- PENITENTIARY. minster, complaining of the operation of the Poor-laws. Mr. GLADSTONE seeing the Noble Lord the Secretary NEWSPAPER MISSTATEMENTS. for the Home Department in his place, wished to ask him Lord BROUGHAM said that he would take the oppor- a question respecting the statement which was going the round tunity which presenting some petitions afforded him of contra- of the public Papers, purporting to have been made by the dieting some statements respecting himself which had ap- Magistrates of Middlesex with respect to the above peared in a goveimment paper yesterday (Sunday), inti- establishment. He wished to know whether that mating that he had no doubt altered his opinion on the statement had been brought under the consideration Poor-laws, and that he had set on the Honourable Member of the Noble Lord, as it was one which, if allowed to go for Southwark (an individual not very likely to be set on or unrefuted, would prove very prejudicial to the Government, set off by the opinions of any other person) to carry into exe- and detrimental to the establishment. He wished further to cution some plan, the nature of which he (Lord Brougham) ask whether the Noble Lord had instituted any inquiry was really not at all asyare of, for the purpose of not com. respecting the statements, and if so, whether he would have misting himself with respect to the Poor-law Bill. The any objection to lay the result on the table of the House before same paper also asserted, as a matter which was not at all they were called upon to vote the estimates for that establish doubted, that he (Lord Brougnam) had also set on another ment. Honourable Gentleman (one in all probability as little subject Lord JOHN RUSSELL had seen the statement re to influence as the Honourable Member for Southwark), the ferred to, but he could not for a moment believe Honourable Bar o net the Member for Leeds, to give notice of that it had emanated from any person holding her Majesty' s a motion respecting the administration of the Colonial De- Commission in Middlesex.—( Hear, hear, and cheers.) partment. With that Honourable Baronet he had never been It was to be supposed that the Middlesex Magistrates knew in a room but once ; and although he had great respect for the something of the Penitentiary. If so, they must have known talents and integrity of the Hon. Baronet, and agreed with him that the silent system never had beet introduced into that i n many of his political opinions, he by no means agreed with establishment. Cettein cells had been prepared, in or him in them all. But the fact was, that he had never had any der to carry the system into effect, but no person had political communication with either of the individuals alluded yet been confined in them. The statement then went on to; and had never had any communication whatever with any to say that certain persons confined in that manner in the human being on the subject on the Hon. Baronet's notice. Penitentiary had been reduced to a state of idiotcy thereby. Nay, there was one, and that an important part of the Honour- He had had several reports respecting these persons, but able Baronet's notice, on which he differed from him. those reports rather showed to him that they were As he had already stated in that House, he did not think the persons of disorderly behaviour, and who would not conform Noble Lord at the head of the Colonial Department should to the rules of the establishment.—(Hear, hear, hear.) be exposed to bear the whole of the blame respecting the Ca- One in particular referred to Julia Newman. That convict nadian question; and if the notice were his, he mould strike was recommended, through the Secretary of State's Office, out the Noble Lord's name, and extend the charge to the by the Recorder of London. Her conduct was very violent, whole Government, every member of which was, in his opinion, and the reports to him were that she was feigning madness, equally liable to the accusation. He wished all public secre- and that it was not real. He desired that her case taries, and private secretaries, and under secretaries and over should be watched, and eventually she was sent to that place secretaries would empl o y themselves in earning their respective where lunatics under her circumstances were usually confined. salaries, rather than in telling such stupid tales to the editors of Persons were sent to the Penitentiary, either from strong re newseaners ; for he was sure that no man in that capacity commendations of the Chairman of Quarter Sessions, or from would invent anything se bsurd. the request of the parties themselves, not wishing to be sent SLAVERY. abroad. He (Lord John Russell) did not think it necessary Lord BROUGHAM presented also a number of Petition!, to lay the paper before the House regarding a statement so in favour of the Abolition of Negro Apprenticeship; Peti- extravagant and so false. He might add, it been asser tions for the mitigation of the punishment of the Glasgow tained that the convict referred to had feigned insanity. Cotton Spinners. With respect to one of those petiti o n s f rom JOINT-STOCK BANKS. Oldham he must say, although he might be sneered at by her In answer to Mr. Clay, the CHANCELLOR of the EX- Majesty's Ministers—he would say that he considered one CHEQUER said he had already given notice respecting allegation in the petition to be a gross, although not wilful Joint Stock Banks. misrepresentation. That allegation was, that the men were HIGH SHERIFF OF SLIGO. transported f or un i t i ng to m a i n t a i n th e wages of their labour. Colonel PE RCE VA L asked whether the High Sheriff of No such thing. They were tried for a grave offence—the the County of Sligo had been decided upon. threatening others to intimidate them from taking a lower Lord MORPETH said he had riot received an answer rate of wages. to the enquiries which he had sent to Ireland upon the sub- PRESBYTERIAN OATHS. ject, owing, he believed, to the se ver ity o f t h e weat h er.— Lord DENMAN obtained leave to bring i n a Bill, i n li eu (Laughter from the Opposition.) of the Presbyterian Oaths Bill. The object of his Bill was Colonel PERCEVAL--I have received my letter.--(op not only to permit Presbyterians to take oaths in the form position cheers.) according to their conscience, but to admit the testimony of Lord MORPETH—The mail of Saturday has not arrived, persons who from conscientious scruples would take no form and it was by that I expected my answer. What date is the of oath. Hon. Gentleman's letter ?—(Hear.) POSTAGE. Colonel PERCE VAL—The 22nd of this month.—(Loud cheers from the Ministerial benches.) BISHOPS' LEASES. Lord J. RUSSELL gave notice that the week after next (lie could not fix the day according to the rules of the House) he would move for the appointment of a Select Committee to inquire into the mode of granting leases, by Bishops, Deans, and Chapters, with the probable amount of the increased value of property held under such leases. Lord BROUGHAM presented two petitions from Liver pool, and one from Haddington, praying for a diminution of the rate of postage. The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, FEB. 96. The Sre4xEatook the Chair at the usual hour. Sir Charles Grey (for Tynemouth), Mr. Lynch (for Gal way), Mr. Fitzpatrick (for the Queen's County). and Sir James Graham (for Pembroke), took the oaths and their seats. The Right Hon. Baronet, the Member for Pembroke, w•as received with loud cheers from the Opposition benches, which were re-echoed, with ironical cheers, from the Ministerial side of the House. IPSWICH ELECTION. MR. O'CONNELL. Lord MAIDSTONE assured the House that he rose upon the present occasion with the greatest diffidence, being a young Member, and unacquainted with the forms and formalities of the House. He begged, however, distinctly to state, that he brought forward the motion which he was about to sub mit, not as the result of the suggestions of others, but solely from the dictates and feelings of his own heart. He hoped that the animus which influenced the course which he had adopted on the present occasion would carry him through, notwithstanding his inexperience, and ignorance of the forms of the House. He could twure the House, that having sat on a Committee (the Salford)eread being unconscious of any thing like the perjury or the feelings attributed to Members of Committee, in the speech of the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin, he was resolved, at the earliest opportunity, to re pel the imputation.—(Loud cheers from the Opposition Benches.) la doing that, he felt quite convinced that he was only adopting a course which other Honourable Members would have done, who like himself had been in eluded in the imputations of the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin. He felt that this was not a reflection on any individual Member, but on the character of the House— and if they were to be vilified and defamed in this manner, who was to defend them if they did not themselves stand forward ?—( Hear, hear.) He did not look upon this as a party question. He would ask whether Hon. Gentlemen at the other side were not equally involved in an imputation affecting the general character of the House ? What situation would this House occupy in the eyes of the country, if such an imputation as this was suffered to remain uncontradicted? They were sent by their constituents to take care of their honours, and if they could not take care of their own honours, what were they to expect ? He (Lord M.) expected when he went back to his constituents, that they would one and all consecutively spit in his face, if he passed over such an aspersion as this.—(Cheers from the Opposition, and laughter from the Ministerial side.) lip to the present period this House had vindicated its honour, and he hoped it would not fail to do so on the present occasion, because to sanction the use of such language would be to prejudge the decision of all election Committees. Such a feeling as this he should be sorry to see go abroad to the country ; and wherever this poison might be circulated throughout the coua try, he trusted the antidote would be circulated along with it. He hoped no man would charge them with having heard such an imputation, without knowing also ;that they threw away imputation with the scorn and contempt that it deserved.— ( Cheers.) He begged pardon of the House if hie feeling led him away,and he said anything contrary to the forms of the House ; but he hoped Hon. Members themselves would bear with him, because the character of the House was in ques tion, and whether they were to look upon themselves as anxious to get rid of the commodity of a good name, and whether they were to keep it if they could, and whether anything which they could do would prevent others from aspersing it, as the Learned Member for Dublin, in his speech de livered at the Crown and Anchor, had done a few days ago. He must say that he spoke more in sorrow than in anger. He wished the subject had never been alluded to, and that no notice had been taken of it, for any thing that might be done by that House would not counterbalance the weight of the charge that had been brought against them.—( Hear.) He would again repeat that it was more in sorrow than in anger that he moved a vote of censure upon the Hon. and Learned Member. He would now deliver the speech at the table of the House, and would move that the extracts be read by the Clerk.—( Hear.) Mr. O'CONNELL submitted that the entire speech should be read.—(oll ! and great laughter.) No one ever heard of the meaning vof a document being construed from extracts—its meaning waste be gathered from the whole document.--( Hear. ) The Clerk then proceeded to read the speech from the Morning Chronicle of Thursday, 22nd February, as follows: " Mr. O'Connell mounted on the table—( Roars of laughter) —and addressed the gentlemen assembled." When the Clerk came to that part where the Hon Member for Dublin charged Members of that House with downright perjury, the cheering from both sides of the House was vehe ment in the extreme. After the speech in the Morning Chro nicle had been read, Mr. O'CONNELL said he would be content with the passage complained of in the Morning Post being read only. When Mr. LEY, the Clerk, had finished reading this paragraph, an Hon. Member rising, there were loud cries of ‘‘ Move,_ move," from the Ministeri a l B enc h es, and " Chair, chair," from the Conservative benches. The SPEAKER apprehended the course of proceeding to be adopted in cases like the present had been established in the case specially of Sir Francis Burdett. Lord Colchester then considered the mode of proceeding to be this—that in a case where the charge or complaint made against a Member was clear and definite, as in the case of a written charge, as the present might be considered to be,inasmuch as the passages com plained of had been published and were on the table, having been Mr. JENKlNibiought up the report of the Ipswich Com mittee, stating that H. Tuffnell, Esq., was not duly elected to serve in the present Parliament fur the borough of Ipswich— that Fitzroy Kelly, Esq., was duly elected to serve for the said borough—that the petitions against the return were not frivolous and vexatious, nor was the opposition thereto. Sir G. GREY moved for a new writ for the county of Rut land, in the place of Sir Gerard Noel, deceased. Sir M. WOOD presented a petition from three hundred inhabitants of Gravesend in favour of the Gravesend Pier Bill. On the motion of Mr. PHIL POTTS the Necropolis Cemetery Bill was read a second ti me , an d ordered to be committed. presented three petition s aga i nst t h e Mr. HODGES Gravesend Pier Bill. TENBY IMPROVEMENT AND PIER. An Improvementß moved the second rea di ng of the Tenby and Pier Bill. Mr. STR UTT opposed the Bill. In the breviate laid upon the table of the House it appeared that heavy penalties were imposed by it upon a great number of parties. Mr. FRESH FIELD congratulated the Chair and the House upon the excellent effect of the new Regulations with respect to private Bills. The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be committed. .wished to correct a statement which Lord G. LENNO X was attributed to him, with respect to a gentleman who was a petitioner to that House. He had been reported to have said that there was not one word . of tr ut h i n t h e pe tition of Mr. Mi lls, from the first line to the last ono. What he had said, or at least w h at he had intended to havets of said, was that taken in conjunction with th e state the Honourable Member for B r id port ( Mr. m W e a a rburton), and the letters of Mr. Charles Pearson, it was impossible that that petition could be true. He had no reason otherwise to doubt the veracity of Mr. Mills ; it was a mere matter of opinion which could only be settled in a Committee. Lord WILLIAM BENTINCK brought up the report of the Committee on the Glasgow Water Works Bill. GRAVESEND PIER BILL. Sir. M. WOOD moved the second reading of the Graves. end Pier Bill. Mr. HODGES said he hoped the House would agree to the motion which he intended to make, that this Bill be read a second time this day six months. The common course he k ne w was to refer private Bills to a Committee, but he thought in this case there were strong reasons why the House should depart from its ordinary course, and throw the Bill out at once. There had been two Acts passed, one in 1828, to enable the Corporation of Gravesend to raise a certain sum for the erection of a quay, and to impose a toll of one penny on a ll persons landing there ; and another Act was passed i n 1833, for the erection of a pier. When Parlia ment gave the Cprporation this Bill, they imposed a condition that the tolls granted by that Act should be applied to certain purposes therein stated, that is, the payment of the interest of the debt, and also for the re pairs. About two years ago certain parties attempted to erect a new pier, and to reduce the tolls below the amount granted by former Acts ; that was the object of this Bill ; and it was also endeavoured to prejudge the question, which was now pending in the Court of Queen's Bench, whether the ground on which the new pier was erected was extra parochial or not. It thus appeared that the parties had great reason to fear that the decision of that Court would not be favourable to them. He (Mr. II.) trusted that the House would consider that he had stated sufficient grounds, without entering further into the subject, for the motion which he now made—that this Bill be read a second time this day six months. Sir C. BURRELL seconded the amendment. On the SPEAKER putting the question, Sir MATTHEW WOOD said that the fairest way would be to send the matter to a Committee. With re spect to what had fallen from his Hon. Friend, as to the taking away the toll from the old pier, he had only to say that the Bill did not go to that extent, as all that was intended was to apportion it fairly. His Hon. Friend knew that he could have no interest in the matter, as he did everything in his power to carry the former Bill. Mr. H. GRATTAN said that having been on the former Committee, he felt bound to add his testimony to what had fallen from the Hon. Member oppo'site, and he should certainly support the amendment. Sir C. BURRELL said that if his Hon. Friend pressed his amendment to a division he should support it. t in by by tychoble Lord in the shape of documents, that th individual aga i nst w h om the complaint was made should be heard, and then the Member making the complaint submitted his motion to the House.—(Cheers from the Tories.) Mr. O'CONNELL then rose, and said—Sir, however inconvenient such a course may be, I bow at once to your decision. It certainly is most peculiarly inconvenient, because my intention was, if the Noble Lord had concluded by a mo tion, to move an Amendment for inquiry on this subject-- it was my intention to have moved an inquiry into the merits—(Cries of " ob, oh," from the Tories.) I have no right to complain of the Noble Lord ; on the contrary, I think he delivered himself with as much courtesy as was reasonably to be expected; and if be failed in one phrase, I attribute that readily more to his inexperience at his time of life in public speaking, than to any attempt to infringe any rule of this House, or to any want of courtesy.—(Hear.) I don't know of what the Noble Lord complains._( Laughter from the Opposition.) I like hilarity.--( Laughter.) I re peat, I don't know of what he complains. He talks of my at tacking the whole House, and he reads a paragraph from a speech of mine, in which I attack only one side.—( Hear.) I the more readily forgive his impatience upon the subject, be. cause he has been on an Election Committee himself.— ( Hear.) And it is natural to feel a repugnance to an imputa tion of a corrupt or partial tribunal. Nothing is more hateful than a partial public tribunal.---(Cheers.) Yet I am con vinced such a state of things does exist.—(Hear.) I am thankful to the Noble Lord for having brought public atten tion to the subject. I endeavoured to call the attention of of the House to it ; but I failed, and I resolved to appeal to the public. I have heard a great deal in the House about piety—on observances—( Hear, hear, hear)—about de secration of the Sabbath ; but I know not of any desecration so terrible as that of the holy name of God, which is taken to attest the determination to do justice, with a predisposition to act partially.—(Cheers.) Does the Noble Lord think there is no such thing in this House ?--(Hear.) I did not hear him deny that Committees were partial—l sup pose he meant to deny it by implication. Heaven help the man who, out of this House, even among Members of this House, should venture to say that Election Committees of this House are impartial tribunals—that they are assembled to do justice between the parties—he would be laughed to ridicule. —( Hear. ) The public opinion has been made up upon the point—the pub lic do not hesitate to say that these tribunals are corrupt. What do they say ? Do they not, when they see the Members come up to your table to be sworn, the moment they see the composition of the Committee, they can tell you the decision. Was the Noble Lord in the House the other night when the Youghal Committee was balloted for ?__( Cheers.) Did he hear the cheer, the loud cheer—foe even delicacy did not suppress it—did he hear the cheer with which the last name was received by his friends around him?—(Cheers.) (Loud Ministerial cheers, with cries of " No, no" from the Tories, and " Yes, yes," from their opponents.) A clapping of hands actually took place.—(" No, no," from the Tories, with cries of " Yes, I heard it" from the Ministerial side.) I put it on the ;sauce—let us try it any way you please—it did occur in my hearing, and I am ready to prove it.--( Cheers.) Is not the Noble Lord perfectly aware that no Ballot has taken place during the present Session, that there has not been a regular canvassing. I see that this paper has been brought down from the Carlton Club. Is riot the Noble Lord aware, that upon every ballot canvassing votes are sent out from that Club-House to every member upon whom the party can depend. Are not the Gentlemen opposite summoned, upon their allegiance, to come down and attend to every ballot ? I would like to see any Gentleman oppo site get up and deny mv statement. There is none—none of you dare deny it.---( Hear, hear.) Well, then, there is a canvass upon every election ballot, and for what is it you come down ? Is it in order to discharge your conscientious duties, or, is it in order to prevent us from forming our Com mittees on this side the House? I dare any of you to say that it is in discharge of your consciences. —( Hear, hear.) Then, you come down here in order to prevent us teem having partial Committees on this side the House. Then you do come down to prevent us from having Com mittees from our side the House. Then you have brought the same charges against this side the House, that I have brought against you.—( Loud cheers.) Is there a man amongst you that does not know the iniquity of the system? What is said when a Committee is struck ? Don't every one say—Oh, now it is sll right—(Laughter) —there can be no doubt that the Member will be unseated, or that be will retain his seat according as the majority of the Committee is. Even the counsel—do they not say, " Oh, it's all right, we may take this easy; we have a majority of 61, which, with the vote of the Chairman, gives us a clear majority of 75 ; we can now take it easy; we are all safe." Has the Noble Lord read the address of Sir Samuel Whalley to his constituents, in which he stated that he had resigned because he despaired of success, seeing that there was a large majority of Tories upon the Committee ?—( Hear, hear.) The public newspapers said so, and it is put in them by way of adver tisement, and yet the Noble Lord is shocked at it. He says let us vindicate our honour; so say 1.--( Cheers.) But the way to do so is to get rid of the present:system.—( Cheers. ) The way to vindicate your consciences is to do away with such proceedings ; and the way to vindicate your religious feelings is to send such matters to a proper tribunal—that tribunal to which your lives and property is confided. Let such questions be sent to Judges and Juries fairly selected from the counties least tainted with particular wishes upon particular questions ___(Cheers)—giving, power to the Judges to set aside im proper verdicts, with power to the superior Jur'ge to set aside any matters •f law.--(Loud cheers.) It the Noble Lord had wished to vindicate his conscience he would have come forward with a motion of that description. But when the House is so nearly measured, when the majority is so small, every vote you strike off by one of your Committees is a step to office, honour, and emolument.—(Cheers.) The Noble Lord seems to think that I was the first person who had made use of such language as this—he talks with astonishment that the people should hear such language.—( Cheering.) There is certainly a maiden modesty in never having beard this subject touched on before; but as such is not the case I will refer the House to what Mr. Buller said. Mr. Buller told the House in November last—l will read it, in order that the Noble Lord and the House sway know that I am not the first person that broached this subject— many gentlemen sent in a number of decisions, since the com mencement of the present Session to this day, of the most outrageous nature.--( Hear, from the Opposition benches.) I think that may be called a re-echo.—( Laughter.) That is what I call re-action—it signified that those monstrous decisions have taken place on this side of the House.—(Hear, hear, from the Opposition.) Now, then, if we both tell truth, as I firmly believe we do—( Much laieghter and checirng)___ why, instead of wasting time in taking into consideration my speech at the Crown and Anchor, should nut this House in stantly assemble for the correction of that evil ? Why not force its correction ?—( Hear.) I tell the Noble Lord that my object is to force its correction—that there shall be no more perjury and no more party Committees if I can.— (Cheers.) No one (whoever may profit by them) shall at tempt to defend the system if I can. But what did Mr. Buller say ? " At present the individual opinion out of the House among Tories, Whigs, and Radicals is, that an Election Committee of the House of Commons is an assemblage of men whom neither honour, virtue, nor their oaths can bind when their political bias is involved."—( Vehe ment cheering from the Ministerial side of the House.) That was said in this House with reference to the political bias which was believed to prevail—it was communicated to the public—and I am not aware that any notice has been taken of it. Lord MAIDSTONE—I was not then in the House. Mr. O'CONNELL—It was on the 27th November that statement was made, and if I mistake not, the Noble Lord then had a seat in the House. Mr. Buller had merely told the House what the public thought of them ; he had dealt most leniently with them, but I would be glad to know wbo has contradicted hint? Not one human being has done so, although he said that public opinion was passed with respect to the douse, and that neither Whig, Tory, nor Radical had any other opinion.—(Hear, hear.) My object is to rouse you not to attack an indi vidual, who without meaning any disrespect to the House, is not very regardful of that attack--( Hear, hear)—but to attack the system—to cleanse your consciences, and to purify your honours of that system which you have been told in this House is such, that " neither honour, virtue, nor oaths, are disregarded when party political bias is involved."—( Cheers.) On that occasion I saw a paragraph in one of the public News papers, the Morning Chronicle, which I shall now read to tho House, to show the Noble Lord who rises to vindicate the honour of Tory Committees that the process is not so easy as he thinks. The Chronicle, in alluding the other day to what the Law Magazine calls the " trifling with oaths," proceeds to say, " The Members of Committees send witnesses to prison for trifling with oaths, while they themselves, by their deci sions, show themselves utterly regardless of their own oaths." I read that in the Chronicle of the 27th of November last. Now I submit that the Noble Lord is but laying a trap fur us to bring forward a motion of this kind after such things have been openly promulgated by the public newspapers. The Hon. and Learned Member then proceeded to read the continuation of the passage--" Oaths are of no avail in Committees. The breach of a solemn oath in a Com mittee is attended neither with inconvenience nor dis grace." With respect to the Committee of which the Noble Lord was a Member, I did not allude in particular to it, but has the Noble Lord seen what has been said of that Commit tee ?—(Hoar, hear.) The Noble Lord, I believe, was in a minority on that Committee.—( Hear and laughter.) The Times, a paper which cannot be suspected of being a partizan on this side of the House—(Hear and laughter)—has the Noble had seen what the Times said of that Committee ? If not I will give him a little information on the subject, for at his time of ,life his education must necessarily be imperfect, and any thing in the shape of information must be useful to him. I quote from the Times of the 23d Feb., 1838. The Times said " any peculiar aptitude in point of knowledge is wholly out of the question. As to impartiality, we have heard it openly asserted, that any person who should praise the jurisdiction on this score would be in pure irony." I beg the Noble Lord's particular attention to what follows. "If we were compelled to suppose a clique of partizans, laying their heads together in order to warp public justice and contriving to do that collectively, which some of them are prevented in dividually from attempting, perhaps the privilege of Parlia ment might be set up against us, and the limit of the offence be its own protection and our punishment, &c." Does the Noble Lord wish to know who is that " clique of partizans" according to this newspaper ? Why, this very Salford Com mittee, on which he sat.—( Laughter.) The Times treated them as dunces.—(Continued laughter.) Why did riot the Noble Lord read the Times newspaper on Friday morniug ? Was he so enamoured of my speech that he could read no thing elsc—(Great laughter)—that he did not read this ' account given of himself in the Times newspaper ? It is not one of the Radical or Whig papers that has given this expo sition—it is the organ of the Tories—the mighty "Thunderer" in our land that blows you up is the air—( Loud laughter) —the majestic Tinies, the triumphant man-of-war puddledock —( Great laughter)—according to the Times, the Salford was a clique o f p art i zans . the Noble Lord and all, . 4 44 ti . . . --: . 4... v i t. *„..k. •• 111,1 stti,4 • 44. s. V . 's.' - i1..."r, ; rP I 3 4. : t -7-.., ;;V AZ, .- te,-- -.,, ( ( . pb.,,,,(,„„ „_, ~,.. _ • ' ...„, ~ 1,,,,, _ \ _ i... 2k.. , 9 U) , C.L'..'''' 4 ,- ' : ,.. I'. 44 ' 7 .' °) '.°4 l" . !14 4r.._ I lik 4 : -.- : ''''` s• • '0,,,- ) " ,„ . 1 '43%, 1 -., . • ... . I 'l4 -Y•; • As. i' ~,' .„: . t- . ., • s.'--- ig:•,,1.A.. . - it - ...• '-- ' " .4, : ' 717 , ' , 1Y o' tAt. .•:' 4 " -: " .' •' .l '' - "',` ' ' • •--- ' ~..1 (` ,": r 7; - , ''''-,.- .4- ' l. ' .1 0. .. t- —..-' - - ...• - s _ ....2- 2 ,,,,,:e i''''."'^ F s''., ifs , '" 0 ' -''' A f t . 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