The Sun. — London, England, 1838-06-19 00:00:00

SPIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS. It is not our practice to notice affairs of the nature of that between M. de Melcy and Lord Castlereagh, whatever we May think of the circumstances in which they origin:go; nor should we have been tempted to deviate from the practice on this occasion, but for the following most discreditable para graph in the Standard of last evening `• A morning paper gives, in an article of pr c pO s t erous length and emphasis, an account of a duel between Lord Castlereagh and a • fo reigner named Melcy, at Wormwood Scrubs, on Saturday mornim in which duel Lord Castlereagh was shot through the arm. Tiltre is, it seems, a singing woman, named Grisi, a foreigner, at Kern'' of the theatres ; with this person Lord Castlereagh thought proper to become enamoured, and either not knowing, or knowing. her to be married, addresPed to her a love-letter. The epistle was intercepted by Melcy, who is said to be Mrs. Grisi's husband, and he sent Lord Castlereagh a challenge. This is the whole story, and it is had enough ; Lord Castlereagh ought e be otherwise occupied : and if his proposition to Mrs. Grisi was less than honourable, as it must have been if he had known her to be married, he is wholly without excuse. In any case the duct is In. excusable. " When will our nobility and gentry learn that borer-racing and the singing taste are the cancer of their order ? Why not let Mrs. Grisi stay at home, and her amiable consort with her; and leave Mr. Gully to bla pot-house in Carey street ?" The object of this!, paragraph is not so much to reprobate the attempt upon a married woman, as to insult Madame Grisi because she sings at some of the theatres. Can it be neces sary in the nineteenth century to defend the singing taste ? There are no doubt individuals, without any ear for music, to whom the braying of an ass would afford as much gratifica tion as the notes of a thrush, just as there are persons who cannot see, or whose vision is so imperfect that they can not distinguish colours. All nations, in all states of civiliza tion, delight in singing; and, as they advance in civiliza tion, genius and talent arc more and more devoted to the cultivation of what, from the very constitution of our nature, affords the greatest pleasure. They who have no relish for singing are to be pitied, except when the art of writing enables them to become ridiculous, as in the case before us. If the delight men take in music be rational, those who have attained excellency, either as com posers or singers, are not proper objects of contempt. If there be individuals who entertain the opinion that singing, acting, or the exercise of any talent as a profession, by which refined pleasure is communicated to the public, reflects dis grace on those who follow such profession, that opinion is irrational and discreditable. It is as irrational as it would he to say that the Editor of the Standard, because he writes for a livelihood, thereby disgraces himself. Madame Grisi is a singing woman, and we have always understood that she is an ornament to her profession, while there arc writing men who reflect no great honour on their profession. To say that she is a sinning 'woman is either bad English or blackguar dism. We have no wish to say any thing harsh of Lord Castle reagh; the Press is never worse occupied than when it pre sumes to act in judgment on private conduct. But it is ad mitted by Lord Castlereagh himself that in this case he is culpable, and we are jet to learn with what justice, be cause a young Nobleman has misconducted himself, a foreign lady of high talents and irreproachable life, and her husband, are to be insulted. If the Nobility deirote more of their time to music and horse-racing than they ought, this, like every other excess, is culpable ; but Madame Grisi is not to b 3 blamed for this any more than the brewer or the distiller is to blame for the immoderate use by some people of beer or gin. The aim of the writer of the para graph, however, is not to reform the aristocracy, but, as we have said, to insult a respectable profession. There might have been a time when such an appeal to vulgar prejudices against the stage would have been successful ; but in the pre ssent day it will only reco il on the writer. Low as the Ame rican press is said to be by the Standard, we have seen no thing in it so low as this mean attempt to make the , misconduct .of a youn g Nobleman a pretext for in sulting a lady, mere l y because she is a foreigner, and lives by the exercise of her rare talents. We blush for the disgrace such an article stamps on'the press of the country. Even Cobbett, who could not always forget his old associa tions, would have disdained to have written anything con ceived in so v ulgar a spirit. Ho might have been tempted by the insolence of an actor or a singer to have had recourse to the language of a certain Act of Parliament ; but he would not have had the meanness to choose the moment when mo dest merit was insulted to endeavour to wound the feelings of the sufferer. We ar© sure that Lord Castlereagh must him self despise the ungenerous attempt to diminish the culpabi lity of his conduct by seeking to lower the respectability of Madame Grisi. Low indeed she must be if she should ever sink below the writer of the paragraph in the Standard._ Morning Chronicle. An Evening Journalist, whose absurd spleen against this Paper scents to amount almost to insanity, gives himself strange airs about the article in our Journal of yesterday relative to the rencontre between Lord Castlereagh and M. Gerard de Melcy. We should be sorry to say anything unnecessarily harsh, but we really do think that the cumbrous affectation and pedantic swagger of this canting pretender to censorship are at once nauseous and ridiculous. " It seems," he says, " there is a singing woman named Grisi, a foreigner, at some of the theatres." How extremely absurd is this ! Just as if he did not copy into Otis paper every other day from this Journal or from some other an account of Madame Grisi's performance at the Italian Opera. He goes on to say that " to this person (Ma dame Grisi) Lord Castlereagh addressed a love-letter. The epistle was intercepted by Melcy, who is said to be Mrs. Grisi's husband, and he sent Lord Castlereagh a challenge. This is the whole story.". Now, this is not the whole story, for it went considerably further than the sending of the challenge; but it is a tissue of very offensive and totally unprovoked imperti nence. The ostentatious moralist might surely have either kept silence, or found something better to say about a hus band's resentment, arising from a belief that the honour of his wife had been seriously assailed. He may accuce us of " preposterous length and emphasis" on this subject, but it is his fault, and not ours, that we are driven to return to it, for the purpose of answering preposterous pretension, and impu dent allusion to ourselves.—Morning Post. Mr. Wyse, M.P., has given the following notice of mo tion for Tuesday next :—" Select Committee to inquire into the best means of extending a knowledge of the arts and the principles of design among the people (especially the manu facturing population) of the country ; also to inquire into the constitution, management, and effects of institutions connected with the arts." One of the best means is to open the public monuments gratuitously to the people. The amount of new privilege recently gained by the public, as regards them, is but limited. The public are now admitted at particular hours gratis to St. Paul's ; the admission to the Tower is lowered ; but Westminster Abbey, with all its information, its monuments and associations of past history and past glory, is still to remain as a " sealed book" to the. British nation. The exclusion from Westminster Abbey was per haps to be expected from the clerical functionaries of that public building ; but the grounds alleged in justifica.- tion of it arc equally absurd and deplorable. On the Con tinent the churches arc open at all times to penitence and prayer. Why should the ecclesiastics of Westminster Ab bey unnecessarily give their opponents a handle for accusing them of a disbelief in the value of those religious duties ? They, forsooth, are private bodies, and Westminster Abbey must consequently be considered a private dwelling. But is the fame of Newton, or of Nelson, or of Shakspearc—is that of all the great luminaries of legislation and religion private property ? Is there anything private in their memorials ? No, they belong to the nation ; and the monastic exclusives convict themselves of an equal want of patriotism and religion, whilst extracting the paltry lucre of their stipulated three pences from the emulative veneration which British visitors naturally entertain for the memorials of departed greatness. Our readers are aware of the importance which we have at tached to the encouragement of art, as involving one of those means of educating the people which are absolutely neces sary for the pr o p er en j oyment and appreciatioe of a large condition of liberty. The education of the public eye is one of the departments of education, in that enlarged sense of the word, for which we have so often con tended. The principal object of the diffusion of educational refinement by a familiarity with the great works of art is, that it wins the people from debasing pleasures to intellectual pur suits ; it renders the gift of universal liberty, which by right belongs to them, a safe and profitable bone, instead of being a mischievous gift, as it would be to them in an uninstructed state. A familiarity with the best models of art and science purifies and elevates a people. It refines manners, heightens enjoyments, and nerves the manly spirit of freedom. When was human liberty in the highest state of exaltation ? When the highest degree of educational refinement was diffused in Re publican Athens and free Greece, and when those unrivalled mo numents of taste were eroduced, from the sight of which the free English people arc slavishly and absurdly debarred. It has been alleged against the English people, that they are incapable of appreciating the monuments of taste which are open to them. It is a gross calumny. That charge, which might have been made formerly, cannot be made now. It is rather Nainst the upper classes than the lower classes that it can be justly made. The plundered or dilapidated monuments of Greece, Italy, and Egypt, bear witness to the charge against the former. In France, in Italy, and in Germany, the acces sible character of the galleries, museums, and monuments to the whole of the public, is productive of the best effects on the morals, manners, and conduct of the people. It raises them in the political as well as in the social scale ; for the apprecia tion of truth in taste is intimately associated with just estimate ,of truth in politics. Daily facts demonstrate the necessity of rendering the g;ratuitous accessibility of the public to all the great monuments of art subordinate of the purposes of general education, and auxiliary to the paramount object of " educat in en g t rn ereialhe public tr e ," ashi c h i s o f equa l consequence to the c' refosp er i: y of the natien as it is to the habits and morals of se;cicty. • " Ingenuat de.licisee artes ErnolLt trim es nee sir,it es , rs faros." There is one p o i nt o f the subjcet n "- which we wish to make a concluding obseivation. We do not thik it woeld be be - nefieial for Government to exereis,: too stringent and entire a controul over such schools, art-unions, or societies fir the im provement of design, which may he contemplated by Sir. Wyse's Bill ; although i! - .; encouraging assistance, to a certain extent, and especially in the first instance, is both desirable and neeesteey. Too intimate a connection will Government has rearrest the Royal Academy, These societies are intellaol fvr a popular r,bject ; .their interior self controul should be popular also. Talent, like the finest specimens of the vc,go table kingdom may be injured by too much hothouse cultiva tints. It is enfeebled by a surplus of artificial encoutTgement. Germinating equally in the shade and in the sunshine—in humble and in elevated life—real genius in art or science, in order to be fully successful, must rely upon itself. It must be independent of the go-cart of artificial aid ; and must be prompted by the manly impulses of popular competition to the schievenwnt of excellenee, and the acquisition of reputation. —Morning Advert isrr. To judge by tEe language of those who profess to speak for them, the Queen's Minister's have taken up sonic not Very creditable resolution with regard to what ar' called the thrse Irish measures. Towards the eltSst of the discussions on the committal of the Corperittlon Bill in the house of Commons ) Lord John Restell 'Seemed willing to do justice to the eon sistenhy as Well as sincerity of Sir Robert Peel, and to re buke the coarse and uncandid artianbny of Mr. O'Connell and Mr. Shell, when thee. Charged the Right Hon. Baronet ss ith " insulting feelend,"" holding out false hopes of conciliation," &e. W had persuaded ourselves, from that and other circum stances, that Lord John Russell was disposed to consider frankly and favourably the (declared wishes of Sir Robert Pcel for a aettlement of these much vexed and most vexatious questions ) and that he would even himself of whatever chance the forms and facilities of Parliament ia either House might afford him to effect an accommodation of the points unadjusted between the Whigs and the Conservatives. In so far as can be collected from recent appear ances, the hopes we thus cherished had no very solid founda tion. The Ministerial press for some days past has outdone itself in wild and wicked misrepresentation of the feelings, views, and statements of the Conservatives touching the affairs of Ireland, whether in speech or writing. There is no for gotten topic of virulence or malice, laid aside for years as use less rubbish, which is not now raked up from the lumber-room of cast-off defamation, and made to serve the factious purpose of the hour. Take a Treasury print of yesterday morning for a specimen. It begins with a solemn assumption, that the Tories " have frankly avowed the object of their enormous franchise in the Irish Municipal Bill to be the continued ex clusion of the Catholics, that being essential to the security of the Established Church." First—For the " enormous" franchise of Sir Robert Peel, how is this a " late" or " new' enormity, when the Right Honourable Baronet insisted from the beginning that a 10/. franchise, being the same as that already existing throughout Great Britain, was that ahich he never would dispense with ? How is this a new enormity, when, in reply to Sir Robert Peel on Monday the Iltk inst., Lord John Russell began by "very much regretting that the Right Hon. Gentleman was determined to persevere in the plan which he had formerly proposed !" viz., the demand of a 101. franchise ? Is not this a sufficient answer ? But the fact is notorious that Sir Robert Peel never swerved one iota from the views which lie origirrally propounded, when in the former Session he oppescd a Corporation Bill of any sort until he should ascertain what securities were to be laid for the Church by the other Bills—namely, the Poor-law and the Tithe Bill—that is to say, in one of them by a rating clause, and in the other by an abandonment of the appropriation prin ciple while in the present Session, seeing that the appropria tion villany was abandoned, and that it was agreed to regulate the municipal qualification by a poor -rate, the Right Hon. Baronet said at once—" I am now satisfied that the Tithe Bill cannot destroy the Church, and I require of you such an amount of qualification, to be tested by a poor-rate, as shall not undermine or impair our institutions—viz., a 10/. oc cupancy." But it seems the object of Sir Robert Peel is " the continued exclusion of the Roman Catholics." Ay, out of what description of Roman Catholics? Of the respectable, intelligent, and independent Roman Catholics ? No; it is a sheer falsehood to make any such assertion. All Roman Catholics, high and low, arc practically now excluded; whereas Sir Robert Peel proposes to abolish the exclusion in favour of all such Roman Catholics as have decent education and tolerable independence of position and character—in fa vour, we say, of all such Roman Catholics—as arc not by gross ignorance, inveterate superstition, and abject poverty, incapable of thinking for themselves, and precluded from acting for themselves, by their utter vassalage to the priest hood. If it be the purpose of Sir Robert Peel to re inforce the Protestant corporators of Ireland by Roman Catholics equally, or almost equally, qualified to exercise constitutional rights, with a clear knowledge of and zeal for the common good—if, further, he be anxious to exclude Roman Catholics who see only through the eyelids of a grasp ing and tyrannical priesthood, and who would obey a signal of open rebellion with the same implicit and prostrate servility as they do a mandate whether of public or private penance, we affirm that Sir Robert Peel, both in the class of Papists whom he admits and in that which he rejects has displayed the wisdom and integrity of a Statesman, and if he regards a 101. bona fide franchise as the best discriminating criterion between those classes, he acts honestly in proposing that sum as his qualification, and the return, on oath, of a public officer as the proper test of value. Upon the rabid nonsense dealt in so largely by this calumniator, about the Protestant Church being a " monstrous burden upon the pockets" of a people who would not gain a single farthing by its annihilation to-morrow, whatever their landlords might—about it being " a standing argument against the liberties" of those who are not suf fered by their priests to have a will of their own at any one hour of their existence—about the Protestant Church being at once " an extortioner and a tyrant," with reference to those who are protected against both its demands and its authority by a law which it dares not, and never has been known to, violate, but whom no human law can protect against the inordinate oppressions of their own spiritual despots— finally, upon the audacious impudence of that sycophant, who bellows against the Protestant Church I f or p reven ti ng edu cation and hindering civilization, and this in the teeth of M'Hale's circular manifestoes, which denounce every teacher not selected by him, and every printed book not licensed by his gracious authority—upon all such depraved and scandalous mockeries we may with a safe conscience leave the English public to form its own opinion ; as for the Irish, in so far as it is the O'Connell public, we give up to others the irksome and hopeless task of disabusing it. Let the precious priests themselves take heed to the ",education and civilization" of a community to which they aro so happily suited.—Tinies. The report on the third readiniT of the Irish Municipal Cor porations Bill was brought up last night; but, after the dis cussion of certain amendments proposed by Mr. O'Connell, the Bill was re-committed, and ordered to be read a third time on Monday next. Mr. O'Connell moved as an amendment, the substitution of the Scottish municipal franchise, for the franchise proposed in the Bill. The latter franchise is 51., tested by rating under the Poor-law for Ireland. The Scottish Municipal franchise is 10/., without rating. Mr. O'Connell's amendment stood, be it observed, amongst the regular no tices :—yet, although full intimation was thus given to the Conservative Party of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman's intention, it is a very remarkable fact that not one of the leaders of the Conservatives was present during the long &se' cussion on the subject which took place. The Globe, as our readers are aware, has, in a strain of taunting exultation prophesied that Sir Robert Peel will abandon his " unalter able resolution" on the subject of the 101., municipal fran chise, and the proposed test of rating under the Poor-law ! We trust that Sir Robert's absence, last night, is not to be regarded as, in part, a verification of our contemporary's pre diction ! The absence of the Conservative leader, last night, is worthy of note, not only in consequence of Mr. O'Connell's intended amendments having been intimated in the usual way, but, because Sir Robert Peel had pledged himself, on the first discussion of this question, again to take the sense of the House on the subject of his proposition, " when the report should be brought up." Not only was Sir Robert Peel absent from his post last night, but by a remarkable and unlucky co incidence, all the other- distinguished gentlemen who occupy the highest places in the ranks of opposition were, in like man ner, invisible. Sir William Follett, Sir Edward Sugden, and Mr. Gladstone did not appear. Lord Stanley and Sir James Graham left the House, when the discussion commenced, without having taken any part in it. But if the non-attend ance of all the leaders of the Conservative party was matter of regret, that - regret, undoubtedly, will not be lessened, throughout the country, by the tone adopted in debate by ! several gentlemen, whom Conservatives throughout the country, regard with respect. Mr. Lascellcs, Mr. Miles, Mr. Pusey; and Lord Eliot—all of them, the representa tives of Conservative constituencies—professed themselves, vsith slight shades of difference, converts, more or less, to Mr. O'Connell's views as to the hardship on Ireland of a 10/. municipal franchise, tested by rating under the poor lair. The sentiments expressed by these honourable Conservatives won for them the warm plaudits of Mr. O'Connell and his ministerial friends. Mr. Lucas, Mr. Litton, Mr. Sergeant Jackson, and Sir George Clerk protested against the assump tion that Sir Robert Peel designed to raise the proposed mu nicipal franchise above 10/ Sir G. Clerk declared that a bona .fide 10/. franchise was all that was required by the Conserva tive party; and that Sir Robert Peel would not, he was sure, refuse to agree to the introduction into the Irish Poor-law, of words to the effect, that the rating should be regulated by the rent actually - pr id by the occupants of 10/. houses. At present, the rated rental is alleged to be below the actual rental ! Mr. Litton made a bold stand in support of the test proposed by Sir R. Peel; whilst Mr. Darby declared that should that test be abandoned by the right Honourable Baronet, he should consider that all the Conservatives who voted for the Right Hon. Baronet's proposition, had been betrayed ! It is difficult, we admit, to read aright, at the first view, these very curious features in last night's debate :—at the same time, there can be little harm, we imagine, in recom mending all the friends to the Established Church in Ireland to prepare for the worst. The facts which we have recorded smack strongly of " compromise" between the leaders of the Conservatives, and the deadly enemies of all Conservative in terests. When we find Mr. Lascelles declaring that the question of municipal corporations for Ireland—or rather the question, whether municipal corporations in that country shall be so framed as to secure equal justice to Protestanism, on the one hand, or to destroy Protestantism, on the other—" is not a party question," we are tempted to inquire whether Mr. Lascelles represents truly the sentiments of the great "party" which returned him to the House of Commons, and when, in like manner, we find Lord Eliot declaring, that after the Roman Catholics have been admitted to political equality with Pro testants, it is unjust to resist the wishes of the people rf Ire land in the matter of Municipal Ccrporations, we are in clined to wonder at the peculiar logical process, by which ,rd Eliot must arrive at his conclusions ! His Lordship's proposition, when embodied in simple terms, amounts to this, that ly.!c•iu.e an act of favour or of jusfce (for either alterna tive may, for the moment, be aszunird), was performed towards the Roman Catholics of Ireland in 1029, therefore, them Ro man Catholics have, in IS3B, a right to dictate to the Impe rial Legislature, terms, which may enable them utterly to sub vert Protestlt inten-sts in all the Corporate towns of Ire land ! A few days will unfold the sentiments-of Sir Robert Peel, on this memento= subject. Ile has, already, it Is true, stated his f` unalterable resolution" in the matter ; but, in these time, " unalterable revolutions" are apt, in particular circumstances, to exhia,it strange susceptibilities of alteration. Whatever be the nature of tie declaration, which the Parlia mentary Leader of the Conservatives may make, the Conser vatives throughout England and Ireland had better loot- to themselves.—Morning Herald. Fridty morning, for the first time, some of the Bath, Bristol, and Reading stage.coaches prceeeded !rein Limdon by the Great Western Railroad to Maidenhead, whence they will premed, on their destinaticn. The time sawed to Maidenhead is upwards of two houre, IMPERIAL PARLIAMEN T. 110 USE OF L ORD S, JUNE 18. Their Lordships assembled at Five o'Clcck, the Earl of SHAFTESBURY occupying the Woolsack, in the abi“'nce of the Lord Chancellor. POOR-LAW. Earl STANIIOPE prcscnted a petition against the New Poor-law. POSTAGE. The NOBLE EARL also presented a petition from a place in Suffolk for the reduction of the rates of postage. OATHS VALIDITY BILL. On the motion of Lord DENMAN this Bill was read . a third time and passed. NEW POOR LAWS. Earl STRADBROKE presented a petition from the Guardians of a Union in Suffolk in favour of the New Poor law Amendment Bill. The Noble Earl remarked that a peti. tion which had been presented on a former occasion against the Bill, from some place in the samo county, by Earl Stanhope, was professedly signed by persons designated, " Esquires," who were merely millers' servants—(Laughter)—and some names of persons who were dead.—( Hear.) Earl STANHOPE observed that the name " 'Squire" was used in SutfJlk as a baptismal name—( A laugh)—but he denied that any of the honest citizens who had signed the petition in question had assumed a designation not properly belonging to them. Earl ST R A DB RO K E reiterated his assertion. About a quarter past five, the LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack. INDIAN IDOLATRY. The Bishop of LONDON in presenting two petitions, the one from Bath and the other from Waterford, praying for a dis• continuance of the countenance given by the British Government in India to Ilindoo idolatries, said, if the measures of that Government on this subject (some of which he did not hesi tate to characterise as unchristian) were not retracted, great indignation would justly be excited in the mind of the Christian public in this country. He begged to ask if the Gcvernment bad taken any steps on this subject. Viscount MELBOURNE said he believed that when the conduct of the Government of India came to be better known, it would not be found to deserve the very bitter condemnation of the Right Rev. Prelate.—( Hear.) It was the intention of the Government to take every possible measure for bringing this question to a satisfactory conelusion. The Bishop of LONDON expressed his gratification at this assurance, at the same time lie repeated his former state ment, as to the conduct of the Indian Government on this subject. HAYTI. Lord BROUGHAM asked what measures had been taken by the Government with respect to the Republic of Hayti, and the commercial intercourse of that island with Jamaica and this country? Lord GLEN ELG said the subject had been long under the consideration of the Government, and his Noble Friend at the head of the Foreign Office (Lord Palmerston) was now in communication with France, with regard to it. Lord BROUGHAM denied that this was the proper way of proceeding. The Govermr.ent of France had no more right to interfere with Hayti than Hayti had to in terfere with France. France bad long, as he under stood, acknowledged the independence of Hay ti. He now moved for a return of the exports of Great Britain to Hayti within the last ten years, and the imports from Hayti to Great Britain, and the exports from Great Britain to Jamaica, and the re-export of goods thus exported to Jamaica, from thence to the Spanish Main, or elsewhere, during the same period. Lord MELBOURNE hoped the Noble and Learned Lord would give notice of this motion, believing that the Noble and Learned Lord was misinformed on this subject. Lord BROUGHAM had no objection to give the n o ti ce , but he believed his information to be correct. _ _ THE SUN, LONDON TUESDAY, JUNE 19, 183.3. ACQUITTAL OF PERSONS TRIED FOR MURDER. The NOBLE and LEARNED LORD then moved for a return of the names of all persons who within the last ten years had beer► tried for murder and acquitted on the ground of insanity, and who had been since liberated. His Lordship adverted to the case of the Captain of a vessel who had murdered eight of his crew, who had been tried, and acquitted on the ground of insanity, and had since (we understood) been liberated. The return was ordered. CHURCH PROPERTY. The Duko of NEWCASTLE presented a petition against the appropriation of Church property to other than ecclesias tical purposes. CORN LAWS. Earl FITZ WILLIAM gave notice that he would to-morrow present a petition on the subject of the Corn laws. Lord LONDONDERRY observed that this would inter fere Irith his motion, which stood for to-morrow, on the Spanish question. Earl FITZ WILLIAM then fixed it for Friday. BISHOPRIC OF SODOR AND MAN. This Bill was brought up from the Commons. GRAND JURY CESS (IRELAND) BILL. This Bill was also brought up. TRUSTEES OF CHARITIES' BILL. This Bill having been read a second time, Lord BROUGHAM said this was a Bill of great im portance—it enacted that when no application was made for two cars to the Court of Chancery, charitable funds in Cor porations were to pass under the control of the Mai or and Guardians. The LORD CHANCELLOR said the Bill had been moved before he entered - the House. He believed it would be greatly amended in Committee. Lord BROUGHAM would give the Bill his strenuous opposition. Lord PORTMAN (who had moved the Bill) said he had understood there was no opposition to the Bill but as to de tails, which might be amended in Committee. Their Lordships then adjourned. 110 USE OF COMMONS, JUNE 18. The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour. NEW MEMBER. Mr. FECTOR, the new Member for the Borough of Maidstone, took the oaths and his seat. Mr. Grey, from the Bank of England, appeared at the Bar with returns, which were laid on the table. RAMSGATE IMPROVEMENT BILL. Mr. BELL presented a petition from Newcastle-on - Tyne against the Ramsgate harbour Bill. Sir E. KNATCHBULL presented a petition from a place in Kent in favour of the same Bill. Sir E. KNATCHBULL moved the third reading of the .Ramsgate Improvement Bill. Mr. W. ATT\VOOD, upon the question that the Bill do pa-s, rose to move the clauses of which he bad given notice. If the Bill passed in its present state, every vessel laden with coal entering the harbour through stress of weather, or other causes, would have to pay a duty of 2s. a ton. Now if that were to be the case every town in the country might, upon the same principle, impose duties upon all goods carried through their streets. The inhabitants of Ramsgate received sufficient benefit from the situation of their har bour without imposing such a tax as was proposed by the Bill. On the same principle as that on which the Lill was justified, Whitstable and Faversham would have a right to tax neigh bouring places. It was also defended because the duty was imposed by two several local Acts of former tirnes—( Hear, bear)—but that duty was imposed for the purpose of improving the town, and it was impossible to say that the Legislature did not mean that the coal duty should cease, now that the purposes for which it had been given had been performed. These duties had already produced 30,0001.. while they were imposed for paying only a sum of 5,0001• The Commissioners had held out as a threat, that if this duty were not imposed they would give up the Bill altogether, and that that would be a grievous injury to the people of Rams gate. Now he denied that the withdrawal of the Bill would inflict the least injury on the inhabitants of Ramsgate, for the Bill was considered at a public meeting in the town of Ramsgate, and the inhabitants.at that meeting were called upon to decide whether they approved of the Bill or not, and it was only carried by a majority of seven, that majority being opposed to the Commissioners appointed under the Bill. The words of the Dover Act were similar to those of the Ramsgate Act, and in the Dover case there had been an appeal to, the Quarter Sessions, the consequence of which bad been a decision in conformity with the opinion of the then Attorney. General, that the duty should be reduced to Is. 7d. per ton, and in the case of the port of London, the Committee on the Coal Trade had determined that, upon coals merely coining in transitu into that port, the duty should be taken off.—( Hear.) On these grounds he moved that these clauses he brought up.—( Hear.) Sir E. KNATCHBULL said on behalf of the promoters of the Bill he was compelled to oppose the clauses. On the late discussion with respect to this Bill, the Hon. Member (Mr. Attwood) had proposed clauses to the effect that the duty should be reduced to one half; and, in the interim, it had been resolved by the supporters of the Bill to adopt that condition. He (Sir E. Knatchbull) was much surprised to see upon the votes the clauses which had been now moved.—(llear.) He did not see any great hardship in continuing, this charge, as it was imposed for the benefit of t he town, by making such improvements as would hold out the greatest inducement to strangers to visit the place. The clauses proposed were not consistent with the interests of the inhabitants of the town, and he felt it his duty to take the sense of the House upon them. Mr. ATTWOOD said the Hon. Baronet appeared to have been led into some miitake as to the course which he ( Mr. A.) had adopted. The House was aware that compro mise; frf quently took place, suggested before the Bill came before the House on the last orcasiou. That being rejected, all communication on the subject wss considered at au ced, and due notice had been given of the nature of the amendments which were-now pro posed. Mr. A. WHITE said if the inhabitants of Ramsgate wished to improve that town, it should be by a rate ',vied upon the inhabitants.—( Hear.) Ile should give the Bill his 'most de cided opposition.- Mr. II UME supported the clatrcee on the gro un d t h at Raer3gate was a harbour of refuge, and that the object of the tax was more to improve the navigation of the river than the town of Ramsgate Mr. BRISCOE opposdd the Bill. Ilis objectiens had been drawn to the Bill in consequence of the animadversions that had been cast upon Hon. Members of that House for the course they had adopted relative to Private Bills. The object of the present Bill being to render a tax of 23. 6d. a ton on ma's' perpetual, he shOuld give it his most decided opposition. 11*. D. \V. HARVEY would offer two arguments against this tax—those arguments were net words, bat two petitions from Ratriegete against the Bill. Mr. PLUMP TRY, must object to the bringing up of the clauses proposed by the lion. Member for Greenwich. Ile considered that the party receiving a benefit ought to con tribute towards the benefit.—(Loud cries of " Divide.") • Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House divided._ The numbers were— . Ayes Noes Majority in favour of Mr. Attwood's clauses --118- The clauses were then brought up: On the motion that the Bill do pass, Mr. BRISCOE opposed the motion, and the gallery was cleared for a division; none, however, took place, and the Bill was passed. BOLTON AND PRESTON RAILWAY. On the motion of Mr. BROTIIERTON, the Lords' Amendments to the Bolton and Preston Railway Bill were agreed to. BARNSLEY SMALL DEBTS BILL. On the motion of Sir G. STRICKL AND, the Barnsley Small Debts Bill was recommitted. _ _ KIRIiSTALL AND SHIPLEY ROAD BILL. Sir G. STRICKLAND then moved the Order of the Day for the adjourned debate on the Kirkstall, Ilkley, and Shipley Road Bill. Mr. LOWTHER made some allusion to the clause pro posed by him on Friday last, for the exemption of carts carry ing coals ; but his remarks were inaudible. Mr. W. DUNCONIBE said the Bill appeared to him to be founded in injustice, and on these grounds he should cer tainly oppose it. Atter a few words from Sir G. STRICKLAND, the Bill was read a third time and passed. THE CORONATION. The SPEAKER stated that he was commanded by her Majesty to inform the Members that her Majesty had appointed a gallery in the Abbey for their accommodation, at the solem nity of her Royal Coronation, which was to take place on Thursday the 23th day of June. But her Majesty did not think it convenient for the House to take any part in the proceedings. Lord J. RUSSELL moved that a Select Committee be ap pointed to examine and report how the Members of that House might, with the most convenience, see her Majesty's Corona tion, and what order should be observed thereon. Agreed to. THE LATE RIOTS AT CANTERBURY. Sir E. KNATCHBULL moved for a copy of the inquisi tion and other proceedings relatiie to the lunacy of John Nicholls Thom, alias Sir WVillia► Courtenay. Ile believed that the Noble Lord could have no objection to the production of those papers ; and he begged to give notice that on Tuesday next he should make a specific motion on the subject. He named Tuesday as the earliest day on which he considered he should have an opportunity of bringing it forward, but if the Noble Lord would take it on an earlier day he (Sir E. Knatchbul l) would be perfectly ready to bring it forward. Lord J. RUSSELL—If the Hon. Baronet would state the specific nature of his motion—( Loud cheers)—he ( ',Ord J. Russell) would be ready to name an early day for its dis cussion. A practice had lately grown up, which was a very inconvenient one, of concealing the nature of a motion until it was brought before the House. —( Cheers. ) Sir E. KNATCHBUL L was very desirous that the Noble Lord should be put in early possession of the terms of the motion be would feel it his duty to lay before the House. He had only seen the papers that morning, and had not finally made up his mind as to the nature of the motion it should be his duty to submit to the House. As soon as he had done so, he would inform the Noble Lord, and he would then undertake that the Noble Lord should be in full posses sion of the terms of his motion long before the motion was brought forward. M. HUME hoped that not only the Noble Lord, but the whole House, would receive early intimation of the course intended to he taken by the Right Hon. Baronet. Lord JOHN RUSSELL could assure the Right Hon. Baronet and the House, that he had not the slightest objection to the fullest inquiry into all the circumstances connected with this unfortunate case. Sir H. VIVIAN, being the person through whom the pe tition was presented to the Noble Lord, begged to state that the more full the inquiry entered into was, the better he would be satisfied. Mr. J. E. VIVIAN was prepared at any time to state, that the Honourable and Gallant Gentleman was perfectly free from blame, and was in no way connected with the case, ex cept as coming through him, and he trusted that a most full and rigorous enquiry would be immediately instituted. THE VIXEN. Sir STRATFORD CANNING moved for certain papers relative to the capture of the Vixen. Agreed to. BRITISH MUSEUM. Sir R. PEEL gave notice that he should, to-morrow, move for the appointment of a Select Committee to inquire into the plans and estimates for the completion of the building of the British Museum. APPROPRIATION CLAUSE. Mr. WARD gave notice that upontfteHouse going into Committee on the Irish Tithe Bill, he should move a resolution to the following effect :—" That whereas, on the 3d of April, 1835, 7th April, 1835, 21st July, 1935, 4th June, 1836, and 17th May, 1838, the House agreed to Resolutions recognising the principle of appropriating the surplus revenues of the Church to the moral and religious education of the people—it be therefore an instruction to the Committee to make provision in the present Bill for giving effect to those resolutions, by providing for the better distribution of ecclesiastical revenues in Ireland, and by ap propriating any surplus that may remain over the ascertained wants of the Church to the moral and religious education of the people, without distinction of religious persuasion." MUSEUM. Sir R. PEEL said, as the end of the Session was approach ing-, there could be no objection to his moving at once for a Select Committee to inquire into the plans and estimates for the completion of the British Museum. Lord J. RUSSELL had no objection to the motion. Mr. HUME had an objection to the motion.---( Laughter.) He objected to it on public grounds, as the proper notice had not been given. Sir R. PEEL said he was in hopes that, when a motion was unopposed, there would be no objection to its being brought forward at once. Mr. HUME said it was a mere form, and had not been de viated from on any occasion. Mr. HARVEY said he had anothe'r objection to it. Sir R. PEEL would withdraw it. Mr. HARVEY believed the name of the Right Honourable Baronet had been put on the paper within the last five minutes, whereas his (Mr. llarvey's) had been there for the last hour and-a-half ; and though lie was at all times pleased to give way to th e Hon. Baronet— The SPEAKER said the Hon. Member's name was on the list of public petitions, but not oil the list of notices of motions. These were two distinct things, and lie apprehended the Ilon.. Member was labouring under a mistake. Mr. HA RVE Y admitted that he was, but hoped, when the House had disposed of this motion, he might be allowed to give notice of a matter of public importance. Sir IL PEEL would give notice of his motion fur to morrow. divis on. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did net see any objection to the motion being entertained at present. —The motion was then agreed to. POOR-LAW UNIONS. Mr. HARVEY said that to-morrow, on the presenting of the petition from the parish of St. Saviour's on file subject of the Poor-laws, he would call the attention of the House to a statement which appeared in the Times of Saturday last, set ting forth a most extraordinary administration of thc Poor laws in one of the Poor-law Unions. The SPEAKER said the usual course when any subject was to come under discussion, was that the petition should be first presented, and printed with the votes, and then that notice should be given of the time for taking the discussion. Mr. II A RVE Y was not about to present the petition now, but he merely thought it correct togivo notice of his intention. If it were necessary that the petition should be printed with the votes, he had no objection to that course. The SPEAKER explained that what he wished to call the Hon. Member's attention to was, that where a statement appeared in the papers, affecting any particular Member, it was by no means unusual or inconvenient to bring it under the notice of the House at the earliest moment. In all other ca!es the proceeding was as he (the Speaker) had stated. Mr. II A RVE Y then gave notice that he should bring the subject before the House to-morrow. SUGAR DUTIES. Mr. HUME begged to ask the Right Honourable the Chancellor of the Exchequer, when it was his intention to go into Committee on the Sugar Duties' Bill, as it was his (Mr. Humes) intention to propose the motion of which he had given notice, and which he wished the House to have the fullest notice on the subject? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it was his desire to give all parties the fullest notice, and, in the course of to-morrow, he would be able to ascertain how far distant the period would be when he would propose the Com mittee on the Sugar Duties Bill. Mr. HUME wished to know when it was the intention of the Chancellor of the Exchequer to redeem the pledge he had g i ven , to lay before th e H ouse an account o f t h e revenues o f the Duchies of Co - nwall and Lancaster ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the papers were now in preparation. IRISH TITHES. On the motion of Lerd .IOIIN - 11USSELL the Irish Tithe Bill was postponed to Friday. The Noble Lord gave notice that on that occasion he should move its consideration before the other Orders of the Day. MAILS CONVEYANCE BILL. Sir J. G RA II A M trusted that his Right lion. Friend oppo site would not press o❑ the second reading of the Mail Convey ances Bill to-night. Air. L ABOUCHERE said it was not his intention to press on the second reading, as he was desirous that its provi sions should he well considered. Mr. E A STIIO PE said it would create much alarm throughout the country if the second reading of the Bill were pressed on with such haste. - PLURALITIES AND BENEFICES BILL. Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved the third reading of this IV!, which was agreed to. The Noble Lord then brought up a clause giving a power to the Archbishop of Canter bury to grant dispensations, or the power of a veto in all cases of pluralitirs, which was agreed to. Sir. IL INGLIS then moved the introduction of a clause granting compensation to the officers of dispensation of Fa culties Office i❑ Chancery. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought the House had no pov,cr to introduce such a clause. • After a few remarks from Sir R. luKlia, Lord Joint Russell, Mr. O'Connell, and the (Thancellor •of the Exchequer, the clause was negatived without a division. Dr. NICHOL then rose to propose the clause of which he had given notice. Lord J. RUSSELL, as we underst)od, slid he had no objection to the clause. • . The clause was then agreed to. • Col. SIDTHORY moved a clause for the puruoe rf enabling the widows of incumbents to reside at the glebe house three weeks after the death of their husbands.— Agreed to. Lord DUNGANNON moved a clause for the purpose of conferring upon rural Deans the name privileges as were conferred by the Bill on Archdeacons when performing the duties of Archdeacons.—The clause was agreed to. Lord JOHN RUSSELL proposed verbal amendments in several of the clauses, which were agreed to. Sir JAMES GRAHAM rose to propose an amendment to clause 30, the exemption clause, that in addition to those al ready exempted by the Bill should be added the Master of the Temple, and the Preachers of Lincoln's Inn, Gray's Inn, and the Rolls. Lord J. RUSSELL regretted to sec so many exemptions in the 13111, and such being his feeling . , he could not accede to the amendment of the Right Hon. Baronet. _ _ _ - The amendment was ultimately nizatived without a On clause 35 being read, Mr. ERE SII FIE L D proposed an amendment, " to enable Bishops to grant licenses for non-residence in cases of dan gerous illness of the wife or child of any spiritual person." Lord J. RUSSELL said that such license was granted by the 313th clause. He had an objection to agree to any such case as the Hon. Member proposed; but he did not see that the amendment was at all required. After a few words from Viscount DUNGANNON, the Douse divided, when there appeared— For the amendment 42 Against it 72 Majority —3o _ _ Dr. NICHOLL moved a clause saving the existing - rights of parishioners in the caw of sudden emergencies arising to theClergynm.—Agreed to. Colonel siwrilo RP brought up the following clause : " To give to the widows of the late incumbent the occupation of the house, castelage, and garden, for a period not exceeding two months at his decease."—Agreed to. • Viscount DUNGANNON moved the insertion of a clause assigning to rural Deans doing the duty of Archdeacons in certain dioceses, the same - privileges relative to the holding of preferment as those accorded by the second clause to Arch deacons.—Agreed to. Mr. FR E SHFIE L D moved as an amendment in the 42d clause—" That in all cases of licences fur non-residence, ex. cept those requiring to be approved by an Archbishop, a copy of the evidence received by the Bishop shall too filed in the Registry of the diocese, with a copy of the licence." Agreed to. Mr. II UM E proposed tlytt after the 18th question in the schedule to residents the question should be inserted, " Wlist is the gross annual value of your benefice ?" Lord J. RUSSELL objected to the proposition, and after a short conversation the question was negatived. Mr. HUME hoped the time would come when all they had done by this Bill would be reprobated and undone, as it was decidedly injurious to the true interests of the Church. Viscount DUNGANNON declared his satisfaction that " the true interests of the Church" were confided to the care of the Bishops and the Noble Lord, rather than to the hands of the Hon. Member for Kilkenny. The Bill was then passed. MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS (IRELAND) BILL. Mr. O'CONNELL had several clauses to propose to define and distinguish taxes from rents in payment to the Municipal Corporations. A desultory conversation arose respecting the proper time and place for their consideration, in the course of which the Speaker complained of the irregularities in which Hon. Mem bers habitually indulged in their mode of bringing in clauses. The Bill was then re-committed, read a first and second time, and clauses from 1 to 5 passed. On clause 6 being proposed, Mr. O'CONNELL proposed that the words of the Scotch clause " shall be of the yearly value of 101. sterling," instead of the present words " shall be rated by amount of poor-rate." -He proposed, in short, to give the Scotch Bill to Ireland, with its mode of rating, power of appeal, and all its advantages and disadvantages. Mr. L A SCE LLES wishing to bring those questions to an amicable conclusion, gave a vote the other night which would appear to be in opposition to those with whom he generally acted, but which in reality was not so. He voted with her Majesty's Government because he thought there was no real difference between both sides of the House. All that was asked on both sides was a 10/. franchise, and the only question was how the value of that franchise was to be ascertained. Now it was admitted on his side of the House that the 101. franchise in Ireland would be an increase of the franchise in Ireland, and he, therefore, thought that there might yet be found means of settling this question, and not holding it up to the country as a subject of discord. Mr. O'CONNELL repeated that all he wanted was the Scotch franchise, which had no reference to satins , at all. All he wanted was not to give a lot franchise to Ireland in name, and a 201. franchise in reality. Mr. W. ROCHE supported the amendment. Mr. MILES was disposed to take a conciliatory view of this subject, and would most cordially join in any arrangement that could lead to a satisfactory settlement of the question. Mr. PUSEY hoped Parliament would not separate with out coming to some satisfactory settlement of this question, in conjunction with the other two great questions which involved the peace of Ireland, so as to satisfy the just expectations of the people of that country. Lord ELIOT hoped this question would b.; brought to a satisfactory settlement. There could be no doubt that there was a great difference between a 101. house in England and a 101. house in Ireland, and he did not think it was fair towards Ireland to take the same high valuation as in England. It would be exacting too much from Ireland to take a 101. fran chise according to. the rating, because it was certain that a 101. rating was more than a 101. real value. He thought this a proper occasion to state why it was he differed upon the sub ject from some of his friends on his side of the House. Mr. SLANE Y said that there did not remain a doubt that a 10/. rating was greater than a 101.'annual value. It amounted to a value of at least 12/. 10s.—( Hear.) Ireland was a poorer country than either England or Scotland, and yet Hon. Gen tlemen opposite se ished to give her a higher franchise. Mr. LUCAS was disposed to uphold the principle which the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Tamworth had laid down upon this subject—( Hear)—namely, that the qualifica tion for Ireland should be the same as that laid down by law as the qualification for England and Scotland.—( Hear, hear.) It was, however, very difficult to know at present what really constituted a 101. franchise in Ireland, and he was ready, agreeably with die sentiments which had been expressed by his Hon. Friend the Member for Sornersetshire, that night, if it could be shown that this new phraseology, as it was termed, would raise the franchise in Ireland, to meet the Hon. Gen tlemen opposite fairly on the subject. Mr. D. ROCHE concurred in the opinions which many of the Gentlemen opposite had so much to their honour come for ward and stated on the present occasion. Sir G. CLERK firmly believed that there was no wish eithes on the part of his Right Hon. Friend (Sir R. Peal) er of those who voted with him on a former occasion to raise the franchise in Ireland.—( Hear.) All they asked was, a clear and bone fide value of 10/. Mr. (YCONINE I, L said the valuation under the Poor-law would be a value font year to year. The Irish people, he must remind the Right [lon. Baronet opposite, would not be inclined to receive a mere intimation that a 101. rating should not be more than a 101. value, when they knew that in ruality it was so..—( Hear.) Give them the Scotch plan, and thoy would be quite content. This question would not only be an additional insult to Ireland, but an additional cause of irritation. Mr. INGHAM thought that it was the duty of the Legis lature to conciliate the middle crises of Ireland, and that there were few things more desirable, in attempting to effect, that object, than to give them municipal institutions.—( Hear.) Mr. LITTON considered that every Irish Member must deeply regret the degradation which Ireland bad suffered from the enormous mass of perjury with reference to the qualifica tion for voting, which had been brought to light before the Committee appointed by that House on the subject of fictitious votes—( Hear) —and that no man could read the evidence taken before that Committee, and any longer wish to see the franchise conferred on voters in Ireland on their own swearing as to the value of their property.—( Hear.) Mr. O'CONNELL must protest again.t the statement of the lion, and Learned Member for Coleraine with respect to the evidence taken befcrc the Fictitious Votes Committee. The statement was not entitled to the slightest credence ; and when the Hon. and Learned Member stated that gross per jury had been committed by the witnesses examined before that Committee, he had cast an imputation on those persons which was utterly unfounded.—( Cries of " Oh, oh.") Mr. LITTON called upon lion. Members to look into that evidence, and then determine the question between hint and the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin, as to which of them was entitled to credence.—( Hear, hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL said, after what had fallen from the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Stamford lie thought it right to call the attention of the Committee to what had tacen place with regard l to the clause. The first proposal made to them was that they should not begin at a lower value than 101. The Right lion. Baronet tile Member for Tamworth had give a b ona fide value of 10!., said that alit. rating would not but they, on the other hand, had contended that it would give more than that amount, and what' took place the other night was conclusive as to the point. There were two ways of ascertaining the question of value--one was, afforded by the rating clause in the Poor-law Bill, and the other in the man ner in which this clause was drawn up with respect to repairs and insurance. Before, however, they adopted the . proposition of the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Stamford there was a difficulty to be got over, and that related to the dif ference of rating as applicable to home and other property. Something must be done to make up this difference; but still he was`not PrePared to say v.bether it would he necessary to have the choice as it stood, or to take.the 61. rating given by the Poor-law Bill to prevent injurious consequences to any party. He hoped that no alteration would be made in the Poor-law Bill in another place which would affect this ques tion, because he thought it would be an act of gross in-Toney, nosy that they had affirmed tl:c principle that Ireland should have elective municipal corporations, to require that the fran chise should he higher or more stringent in that country than in either England or. Scotiand.- . --(Hear, bear.) Mr. Sergeant JACKSON said, with reference to what had been said by his Hon. and Learned Friend the Member for all be could say rear that if any Hon. ,Member i t e o ij u k li. ' l a : n ea e d ' over the eyidence taken before the Fictitious Vote.' Committee they would be convinced of the neccssi, ey of adopt ing a starelerd of value which was extrinsic of the s• searing ef any party.—( Hear. ) Mr. P. SCROPE said that, as they seemed all agreed as to the a:nount of the qualification, the only question was how the value could be Lest ascertained. The Hon. Gentlem an thought that if a party paid rest and taxes to the am ount of 10/. that would give the value in the surest possible way ; and, as the fact of such payments could be Ascertained from the rate-books of the preceding- Year, it would relieve the question from all difficulty—only making the necessary deduc tion fur repairs and insurance, which in this country was cal culated at 25 per cent. Mr. DARBY did not think this would be a fair mode of deciding the question of value. Mr. O'CONNELL said that, in Eng,land, the franch ise dapruded, not on value, but on rent, and the reason why au proposed 10/f value to 5/. rating was because it would exi e the franchise. After some further observations from Mr. Darby, Mr. O'Connell, and Mr. Lucas, the amendment was negati , c d '' - without a division. On the clause which provides that every person registered shall attend annually to prove his right to continue on 01 0 register, Mr. S. O'BRIEN moved the omission of the proviso and the substitution of words to the effect that the name of a n y' person appearing on the burgess roll of the preceding yeer be taken as prima facie evidence of his right to be enrolled for the current year. Mr. WOULFE said that no inconvenience could arise front the clause as it stood. A similar provision was contained in the English Act. After a few words from Mr. HUME in support of th e amendment, it was negatived without a division. On clause 156, Mr. S. O'BRIEN moved the substitution of the following. clause :—" And whereas it is expedient that this Act should come into operation during the present year, and it may 11,(.4 be found possible to proceed to a valuation and rat in g in tee manor prescribed in an Act of the present Session, inti tuled An Act for the more effectual Relief of the destitute Poor in Ireland,' within such Cme as to permit the municipal elections to be held during the present year ; be it therefore enacted that the Poor-law Commissioners shall without delay appoin t such number of persons as they shall think necessary to mak° a valuation of the hereditaments rateable under the said re cited Act, in manner conformable to the provisions contained therein, in each of the boroughs named in schedules A and 1 3 e so that such valuation shall be completed on or before th first of September in the present year; and the premises so valued shall be held to be rateable for the purposes of t hh; Act, in so far as rating shall have been hereinbefore required for the purpose of ascertaining the franchise, and for other purposes relating to municipal elections to be held under tins Act. Provided always, that such valuation made by the persons so provisionally appointed as aforesaid shall continuo in force until a valuation shall have been made by valuatoris appointed in the manner directed by the said recite d Act, and no longer." Lord MO R PETH opposed the amendment. After a short conversation, Mr. S. O'BRIEN stated that he could not withdraw' the amendment, which was negatived without a division. Mr. O'CONNELL gave notice that he would move the of certain clauses on the third reading of the Bill- , The House then resumed, and the report was received. To Bill and amendments were ordered to he engrossed , and the third reading was fixed for Monday next. SLAVE VESSELS CAPTURED BILL. The House went into Committee on this Bill. On clause 4, which provides that bounties shall be paid °tit of the Consolidated Fund, Capt. PECHELL moved an amendment to the effect that all fees and deductions from the amount of bounties s hould he done away with, and that the money so awarded should be paid undiminished to the officers and men who were entitled t° receive it. .d the The CHANCELLOR of tee EXCHEQUER s a ; Bill proposed to pay a certain bounty to the officers itt'" A „ i 'e men of her Majesty's ships, without arty fee or deduction• was simply its intention. The Hon. and Gallant Mard should know that a considerable sum had already beet' P A b e en the account of slave bounties. In 1831, 81,000/. b a- , bad paid; in 1832, 25,000/. ; and in all a sum of 306, Gallant been paid for slave captures. The Honourable a nd Gati a l l ' iy , Member, be trusted, would see that his motion was t ota unnecessary. After a few weeds from Mr. HUME, the amendment nas withdrawn. The Bill then went through Committee, and TuesdaY this day) was fixed for bringing up the report. SUGAR DUTIES BILL. mod - The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in,me ing the second reading of this Bill, proposed to fix the ` l° ,l to mittee nominally for to-morrow, but that he then intendeoe postpone it to a future day, and hoped in the meantime t P . c able to inform the public of the time he i n te nded the ne` bounties to commence. The Bill was then read a second time. PARLIAMENTARY BURGHS (SCOTLAND) Dir t e Mr. FOX .MULE moved the second reading o f this Sir G. CLERK, in presenting a petit ion from Durnbartits against this Bill, expressed a wish to be informed fully of nature and provision ? Mr. FOX MAULE said that the obje ct of the present 13dt was to give such burghs as were not possessed of propertY, power to levy a borough rate ; it also fixed the qualification 01 magistrates at four years' residence, or twelve months for pur poses of trade. It was also his intention to propose the re duction of the electoral qualification in two small burghs, Cronnarty and another, from 10/. to 5/. Sir G. CLERK said that no burghs had petitioned in favour o f th e Hear, hear.) He hoped that the Royal Burgh s Bill, which was the next upon the paper, would not be pro ceeded with. The LORD ADVOCATE should support the secel la reading. Mr. COL QUHOUN objected to the Bill. Mr. R. STE CART said, in his opinio n it would be betteoir to reserve objections to the details of the Bill when it shoo , be brought before the Committee, than to introduce them a' this stage of the Bill. Sir W. RAE thought that this Bill and the Royal Burg i- Bill involved two great principles, and upon these two pro .. c ples he would oppose it. In the first place it a ltered the a... lification, and reduced to .51. the franchise which was now 1v . t and which had up to this time been approved of in Scotian i There was another objection which he had to this Bill. proposed to remove the power of voting which was POsses-,,-0 by persons having 101. qualification, and residing wi thin scs statute miles. The House then divided, when there appeared 50 For the amendment • Against it .. n - Majority in favour of the Bill •• The Bill was then read a second time. PARTY PROCESSIONS (IRELAND) Bloc 1 1 ) 0 Upon thc Order of the Day , for the second reading 0 ' Bill having been read, Il e Sir R. BATE SON rose to express his dissent from Tite•iited was opposed to its renewal. It had been applied in I.rmane with anything but good effect. It had been applied in nor which, in his opinion, the Legislature never conternLon, He would give them an instance of this in the city therosing decry. It had long been the custom to celebrate ce aro' of the gates in 1668 by the apprentice boys of DH c not nical cheers from the Ministerial Benches. ) I%a A llej aware what those cheers could mean. If those wilt' titu themselves Whigs, and pretended a devotion to th e Con` that tion, would only read the history of the period to wh ief s i 1 , 0) 4. celebration referred, they would find that the apprc of Derry deserved their support and approbation ; that is, P re , vided they were really as fond of the Constitution as theY,P.,.at tended.---( Hear.) In December last, upon the occasion 0! . hat annual celebration, the city of Londonderry was invested head, armed force, with a Stipendiary Magistrate at it : re d although the slightest breach of the peace had n ot oee tl l ; os e either previously der subsequently to the arrival of tftltL armed men, and they would he enabled to form a n idea s i s g tranouillity which prevailed in that city and its surroti7 b 0 neighbourhood when he stated that, at the period to whi c 0 1, alluded there was not a single prisoner in the countysf'f_ees; pro' although seven months had elapsed since the previous as 'z oos whilst in the city gaol the only prisoners consisted of r s . ,, o f ' members of one family, who had been confined on a c l 7 rree stealing poultry. Yet it was into this city such an arnic!lf o f was sent, with 'a stipendiary Magistrate, in direct violattopin net the Charter of Derry, which directed that no one shou., t he as magistrate in that city unless a person who had s erve" th o f office of mayor. In the county of Down, upon the I . l ; eo ey, Jul}',, a course of Conduct, with a similar irritating te u_ vot ild had been adopted. If the Bill should pass he trusted t ' be administered in a spirit of strict impartiality. c Bill to Lord MORPETH could assure the Hou se that the etcs t would be administered as every law should, with the - et had justice to all parties, and he was glad the lion. 1- 3 a. r rornelf , atfo-decl them an additional argument in support of Bait upol that if it did not pass there would be party p rocess the 12th of July. Sir W. BRAIIAZON supported the m otion coud reading.. (s eated' An Hon. MEMBER moved that the House be c The gallery was accordigl cleared. On our return, after a few - words from Lord and Colonel SIBTIIORP, The House then divided -74 For the motion Against it 'Majority ...... d o rdetLa The Bill was read accordingly a second time, an be committed. o 111' for the se - The report of the Juvenile! Offeeders Bill being br by Mr. FOX MAULE, bf r3t l L Colonel SIBTHORP objected to the sygem.Pu t a ott , the Government in surreptitiously introducing Mils 7 10 e, hour fur the purpose of smuggling, them through the ~ er t o The SPEAKER called the Hon. and Gallant M o l u , order. Such terms had been employed by him as be used in that liouse. Sir C. ADAM thought thet the dignity of the house quired epoloey from' the Hon. and 'Gallant Niember. Sir R. BATE SON said that the observ ations of the, and Gallant Officer were fully justified, inasmuch as he '..„ only alluJed to the Government as a body and not to any '" dtvidual rnembrr of it. Lord DUNG ANNON said that worse language was {e- Lord used on the other side of the House. The SPEAKER s a p fe E •w A lo E rdi t ; fr i - o4 je l‘ d lr. ti L ie rr rn to rest. It was dropped eccordingly. atlif The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, an House adjourned at half-past cue o'clock. "atNtearndwCoUll'd reTial at