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L, • W."; 1, from a colli- OA (6), ie Mar tha sth with a twater. the 7th Les Fox hore at feared, 3d in & ia, was in, and. .ds was ndoned —Eliza in from attd, for atiiick m4ngs : bellow wreck, a, for Jo: a don LOlttlan ; -Annie konieral !moans pump Hull, dE, hats i must &mum from , from from h, for Swan- from luring prised iggre , with .laide, one to ;y was show LONDON AND SUBURBAN FREEHOLD LAND SOCIETY. Last evenidg the second annual meeting of the share holders in the London and Suburban Freehold Land So ciety was held at the Educational Institution, Aldersgate - street, for the purpose of hearing a statement of the proceed ings of this successful society during the past year, and for the purpose of balloting for thirty rights of choice of allotment on the estates it at present holds. Mr. J. TEULON, in opening the proceedings of the even ing, said they had expected to have had the pleasure of having Lawrence Heyworth, Esq., M.P., their president, in the chair, but that gentleman had sent a letter of apology to their manager stating that important Parliamentary business prevented him from attending, at the same time stating that the society had his best wishes for its success. 'Under these circumstances he had great pleasure in moving that Dr. Hewlett do take the chair. (Cheers.) The motion having been seconded, was put to the meet ,) and carried unanimously. r. HEWLETT having taken his seat, said he had great Pleasure in occupying the chair at this their second annual Meeting, though he had expected to have had the gratifi cation of seeing Lawrence Heyworth, Esq., present that evening. Parliamentary duty, however, prevented that gentleman attending ; but it was something for the share holders to know, that their society had the best wishes of that gentleman for its prosperity and success. The busi ness to be transacted was plain and simple ; they had, during the past year, transacted a large business, and they had secured a large number of new members. The executive committee had resolved to hold a ballot monthly, for thirty rights of choice, to which would be added ten rights from the rotation list. (Cheers.) Members obtain ing those rights would not be compelled to exercise them on the estates at present held by the society, but were at liberty to hold them over and exercise their privilege on any of the estates that would be purchased, and whichthey might prefer. He would call upon their manager to read the minutes of their last annual meeting, and on their receiving the sanction of the shareholders he would affix his signature to them. Mr. TAYLOR, the manager, having read the minutes, and the meeting having confirmed them, The CHAIRMAN said the next duty that devolved upon him as their chairman was to place before them a state ment of their past and future proceedings. The directors, in meeting the members on this their second anniversary, had to report an amount of business and success which, ender all circumstances, might be considered profitable to the members, and encouraging to all parties concerned. Though the high price of provisions had doubtlessly pre '.-rented some from taking new shares, and induced others to withdraw and to sell their rights of choice, yet it was gratifying to know that in the case of unexpected distress some of the members have had that distress completely re lieved, not by pauperising their spirit, but by encouraging their forethought and independence—they gladdened their families by taking to them a sum of money equal in some cases, and exceeding in others three times, the amount they bad paid into the funds of the society. In this respect the benefit of the society was not limited merely to the provision of money for the time of need, but it ex tended to the cultivation of provident and independent habits, and that man was not worthy of the name of an Englishman who did not set a higher value on one shilling of his own honest earnings than on ten given by the hand of charity. - (Cheers.) After alluding to the dismissal of their late manager, the chairman said, in seeking a new manager, the directors advertised iu the leading daily journals, and upwards of one hundred applications were received. After much and frequent consideration four applicants were selected as candidates, and out of that number, all things considered, the directors were unani mously of opinion that Mr. Jonathan Taylor was the most suitable person to fill the office of manager ; and the direc tors were happy to state that, since Mr. Taylor had been in office, his character and conduct had justified all the hopes and expectations they had entertained in making this selection, which they firmly believed the members would unanimously and heartily confirm. The in creasing business and growing importance of the society required offices more public and more prominent than those in Fenchurch-buildings---offices which the members might have access to at any time to transact business or make inquiries connected with the society. Many mem bers having found that the portions of land allotted to them were but of little use without some means to assist them in building, it was therefore deemed advisable to add the Building Department—though it was much to be re gretted that but few of the members had availed them selves of the advantages of that portion of the society's operations ; yet there was but little doubt that when the advantages were better known, the members would gladly adopt the necessary means to make them their own. l)unng the past year the directors have added four estates to the property of the society, severally situate in Barking read, N orth Woolwich, Kingston, and Plaistow; and, since the close of the society's year, they have purchased another very valuable estate in the Wellington-road, 330 w-road. The attention of the directors had also been sailed to a great number of other estates, all of which they had visited and deemed it prudent to decline, in some instances from the enormously high prices required for them, and in others on account of their unfitness for building purposes. During the past year 152 allotments of land had been distributed amongst the members, and there were n ow 72 r i g hts of choice rawn, and the num ber of allotments unappropriated was 42, exclusive of the Plaistow-and Barking-road estates ; the plan of the former would be shortly ready for the members to choose from. The directors had the gratification to announce that the ;ballots would for the future take place monthly, at each 'of which 30 rights would be taken from the ballot division and 10 from the rotation list. Their manager, Mr. Taylor, would read to them the balance sheet. This having been done, and the adoptionof the report Said balance sheet having been moved by the Chairman, Mr. BARNES said he thought it would give the assem bled shareholders confidence if he, as one of the auditors, seconded the proposition. (Cheers.) The motion having been put to the meeting, was carried unanimously. The CHAIRMAN, in a highly eulogistic manner, then moved the confirmation of the appointment of Mr. J. Taylor as manager of the London and Suburban Freehold Land Society. The motion having been seconded was put by the chair man, enclaves declared by him to be carried unanimously. Mr. TAYLOR, in returning thanks, said he thought his future actions in behalf of the society would best testify his appreciation of the honour they had done him, and if the shareholders would only exert themselves as he in tended to do, their society, prosperous as it was, would soon stand forth in a proud position, and for number of shareholders equal the most flourishing and prosperous of these useful and admirable institutions. He begged again most sincerely to thank them for the honour they had done blm. (Cheers.) The auditors having been unanimously re-elected, Mr. BARNES returned thanks. The CHAIRMAN said he should be happy to answer any 'lineation that might be put to him. None h avin g been asked, A. SHAREHOLDER said the fact of not one question baying been asked proved that they were all highly pleased at what they had heard. (Cheers.) The retiring directors were then unanimously re-elected, and an addition of the following gentlemen was made to the list :—Messrs. Watkins, Moore, Bradley, Marcus Voss, Green, and Odiham. A vote of thanks having been carried to the chairman, Dr. HEWLETT said he sincerely and heartily thanked them for their kindness. He was sure the meeting would ex cuse his vacating the chair ; but being an invalid, he felt it to do so. Mr. Yates would have great pleasure in ec ;r u es a ring over the interesting portion of their proceed 1-12g—he meant the ballot. The rev. gentleman then re tired, amid loud cheers. , The balloting then commenced, the care of the wheel having been confided to Mr. Barnes. The following were the successful members :-728, 811, 854, 804, 882, 827, 755, 603, 662, 329, 751, 592, 791, 566, 40 4 , 359; 601, 490, 885, 665, 140, 264, 808, 839, 767, 8 7 6 , 40 8, 611, 275, 867. The proceedings then terminated. ZXPOBTATION OF ARMS AND AMMU- NITION. The Lords of the Treasury have agreed to the follow ing Minute on this subject : COPY OF A TREASURY MINUTE DATED FEB. 24, 1854. My Lords refer to their minute of the 21st inst., - :haring reference to the recent proclamation prohibiting the export of fire arms and other ammunitions of war, and furnishing instructions to the Commissioners of Cus toms as to th manner in which such prohibition may in certain cases be modified or dispensed with. Mr. Wilson states to the board that cases have arisen In which such prohibited articles having been shipped in vessels professedly destined to a particular port, to which objection was not likely to be made, have been in reality carried to other ports, to which per mission would not have been granted, against which practice my lords think it necessary to take I further precaution ; their lordships therefore desire that the Commissioners of Customs may be instructed that in all cases where permission is given by their officers for the exports of gunpowder, fire-arms, ammu- ' nition, or other articles prohibited by the said proclama tion to any foreign country, a bond shall be taken, in such manner and in such form as the commissioners shall direct ; that the said articles shall be duly landed at the port for which they are professed to be shipped, and whi c h bond shall be discharged only by a certificate from the British consul at such port that the said arti cles have been so landed. With regard to the removal of such articles coastwise, my lords are also pleased to desire that in all cases in which they consist of gunpowder, arms, or other arti cles of ammunition directly used in warfare, or for war like purposes chiefly, except where the quantities are so trivial as to raise no suspicion that they are likely to be carried abroad, similar bonds shall be taken for their due arrival at the professed port of destination, which shall be discharged by a certificate of the chief officers of such port. But in all cases, even the most trivial, my lords desire that a certificate of their due delivery at such port shall be furnished to the customs authorities of the shipping port. Transmit copy of this minute to the Commissioners of Customs, and request that they will take steps to give effect to it as quickly as possible. POSTAGE TO HELIGOLAND. GENERAL POST-OFFICE, FEB. 1864.--On and from the Ist March next, the postage upon letters between the United Kingdom and . Heligoland, fo rwar d e d b y pr i vate ship, either direct or via Cuxhaven or Hamburgh, will be reduced to 6d. for a letter not exceeding half an ounce in weight. ls. for a letter exceeding half an ounce, but not ex an ounce ; 2s. for a letter exceeding one ounce, but not exceed ing two ounces ; and so on, according to the scale in operation for c h arg i ng inland letters ; and newspapers will be chargeable with a postage of one penny each. Upan both letters and newspapers the postage must be paid in advance. Books, Magazines, reviews, and pamphlets cannot, in future, be sent to Heligoland except at the ordinary rates of postage chargeable for letters. The correspondence for Heligoland is now forwarded by private ship, unless specially addressed to be other wue goat SHARE MARKETS. (THIS DAY.) BRITISH RAILWAYS. RAILWAYS. 100 83 Aberdeen Ambg. Nottng. Bost and Eastn. Junct Belfast & Ballymena Binning. Wolverh. & Stour Valley Birkenhd. Lancsh. Cheshire Juliet _ _ 100 100 all all all 17:; 114 all all all 100 3 100 16 11,1 all I/ Lid 2/ 2s 100 100 100 100 2/ 2s all 100 8 100 20 17 all all 14 all 51s. 100 20 13§ 100 Do. Chesh. & Birk.,, £5O and £25 Cons. Do., £2O. Blyth &Tyne original £25 (issd. at £45) Bristol and Exeter Caledonian Chester & Holyhead. Cork and Bandon Cork, Black, & Pass. Cornwall . Crieff Junction Dublin&BelfastJunc Dundee Perth&Aber deen Junction Do. New East Anglian Do. , (£lB E & H) Eastern Counties Eastern Union, A Stock Do., B. Stock Do., New A East Lancashire Edinburgh & Glasgow Edinb. and Peebles Edin. Prth. & Dundee Forth & Clyde June. l Ulaegow & S. Western Great Northern Stk. Do., A. Stock Do., B. Stock ....... Gt. Sth. &West.(lre Great Western Irish South-Eastern Lancaster & Carlisl• Do., Thirds Do. New Thirds Lancash.andYorksh Do., Fifths D D. , Wst. Riding Un Leeds Northern Liv. Crsby. &Southpt London & Blackwell Lond. Tilb. & Sthend. Lond. Bright & S.Cst. Lend. and N. Westn. • Do. 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Stockton & Hartlepl. Taff Vale ... Do. £lO shares. Do. Pref., No. 1 Thames Haven Dock and Railway Vale of Neath Waterfd. & Kilkenny Waterford&Limerick West Corawall. West End of London and Crystal Palace West London Wimbledn & Croydon York Newctl &Bervr. Do. Extensions Do. G.N.E. Purchase York & N. Midland , rkberdeen Do. No. 2, 7 p._ c Blyth and tynelo per c. pref. (issd. at 500 Bris. & Ex. 4 p. c. St. Do. 4 p. c. Shares Caledonian £lO Chester & Holyhead Guar. 5 per cent Cork &Bandons4p.c Dundee Perth &Aber deen Junction EastAngliaß (.£3los; 6 per cent Do. (£5) 7 per cent. Do. (£7l7s) 7 p. c. Eastern Counties Ex tension, 5 p. c. No. 1 Do. No. 2 . Do. New 6 p. c. St, Eastern Union, Scrip Guar. 6 per cent Do. 51., 10 per cent. Do. 101. Debentr.Sh- East Lancash.6 p. cts. East and West York shire June. Pref... Edinb Prth. &Dundee 56 per cent. Glasgow & S.Western Guar. 5 per cent Great Northn. 5 p. o Do. 5 p. c. Redeem., at 10 p. c. prem... Do. 46 p. c. Scrip Gt.N. of Scot, Ist Prof, Gt, Southn. &Westm. (Ireland) Eighths) Do. 4 pei e. Pref. Gt. Westn. (Berks & Hants Ex. 5 p. Do. cov. red. 4i P.C. , Do. con. red. 4 p. c. Do. irred. 4 p. Lan. & York. F. £2O Do. 6 p. c. Stock Loeds N. 6 p. c. No. 1 Do. Quarters, 1848 London and Brighton Guaranteed 5 p. c Do. Pref., 5 p. c. St. Do. Convertible, 5 p.l c., 1852 Do. New Guar.6 p. c. Lon. &N. W., Cot. di Nuneaton London & S. Western Con. Thirds Londonderry& Coler Shares Londy. & Ennis. Sh Han., Shef., & Lin , Shares, No. 1. Closing Prices this day., 201 - 214 5 - 5} 8 - 9 11 9 dis 1 17 - 19 64 - 94 - 96 554 - 56 154 - 164 13 - 134 u - a a - 84 ii ::: '4Bl i2~ - ~~ 65 - 67 60 - 64 22 - ii 92 J 93 79 81 127 - 129 95 - 97 81 - 816 92 95 12A 13Ap 12 13 p 67} 68 6/1 -- 6d 13 14 8f 8f Par P 964 974 102 - 1024 par p - r g— 4 d 80 t3l 10 9 d 9 7d 22a —23 a 62 -62 i 35 - 37 A d par 5 4Ad 21— 3 6 8i 48 50 31 3id 34 ... 3,5 8 10 14 - li 6 - '4 52 - 55 4 -ip 5i - 5i 74 - 8 34 - 35 89 91 54 - 56 58 - 62 55 60 3 2 d 16 -- 18 8 -- 9 12 -- 13 3i -- 3id 14 -- 16 1 63 -- 61 35i -- 364 2 d par 4 -- 5 30 - 32 2 i --2 i 15 151 51 - 5t 24 - 26 6 -- 7 6 -- 7 69 1 : - ) 7,1- - 7fid 4/ 3d 48 -49 i PREFERENCE SHARES 11) - o. New: £l6 Do. £6 Yfarypt & Carl. 4 p.c Do. 4i per cent Do Kid. Consol.6 p.c. St Do. Consol. Bristol & Birm. 6 per cent Do. Pref. 4,i per cent Norfolk Debenture Do. Pref. 4 p. c. Stock Do. 5 p. c. Eat Do. 5i per ct .pref Do, Way. Val. 5 p. c. North British North Staffordshire Oxford, Worcester, d: Wolverh.Xls, 6 p.c. Do Scot. Cent., New Pref Shrews. &Birm.N.G. Shrewsby. & Chester (Nor.W.Min), 8 p.c. Do. 5 per cent South Devon De. fixed, 4 per cent S. Eastern (Reading Ann.) of £1 Os. 6d. Do. 4 4per cent. S.Yorksh.4p.c.Guar Stockton and Dar- lington, 4 per eent.' Do. do. do. Stockton and Hartle- pool, guar. 5 p. c. till Ist July, 1856 Waterfd.&Kilk.6p.c. York, Newcastic,aud Berwick ,4 p.c. Pref Do York&N. Midland H. and fi. Fuchs ' .... _ Business done this day. 211 20.1 11 THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 28. 1854. LINES LEASED Al F=D RENTALS. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. unfortunate a position. The speech delivered by the hon. member for the West Riding (Mr. Cobden), he charac terised as able, but at the same time dangerous. (Hear.) Although the hon. member might not be disposed to go out of his way to prevent the Czar from entering Constan tinople. such was not the sentiment of his constituents. (Hear, hear.) Representing a borough in the heart of tho West Riding he knew that not one in 100 shared the opinions of the hon. member. It was hoped that if we went to war we should get rid of the old treaties. (Hear.) He trusted also that in the issue Russia would be taught a lesson to respect the independence of nations. (Hear.) After a few observations from Mr. MURROUGH and Mr. PHILIPPS, Lord J. RUSSELL expressed a hope that the discus sion raised by the hon. baronet (Sir H. Willoughby) might now be considered as finished. Reverting to the question of the noble lord, the member for Colchester (Lord J. Manners), the noble lord said he should have been very glad to have been able to answer it on the moment; but, as he had not now the papers with him, he could not be sure of the accuracy of any statement. There had been rumours, which afterwards turned out to be false, that an attack had taken place on the Turkish coast, upon the fort of St. Nicholas. Three small steamers had attacked a part of the coast near Trebizond ; but, after firing a few shots, the ships dispersed. Nothing of a serious charac ter had occurred since the disaster at Sinope. On the other hand Sir Edmund Lyons had twice proceeded to Ba toum with convoys, and a squadron cf two French and two English steamers had gone to the neighbourhood of Sebastopol, and near the Sea of Azoff, but could not see anything more than three small Russian steamers at anchor. No Russian man-of-war bad been seen by the various vessels despatched in different directions, and it did not appear that any Russian vessels had been sent to sea since the last orders had been issued. He trusted that RAILWAYS. Leasing Compans. Closing Prices this day. Business this day. HOUSE OF LORDS--{YESTERDAY.) REFORM OF THE COMMON LAW. The LORD CHANCELLOR then proceeded to call the attention of the house to the second report of the Common Law Commissioners. The first report of the commissioners related to the subject of special pleading, and the amendments introduced into the law in conse quence of that report had proved most beneficial. In the second report, the commissioners considered the ques tion what amendments could be made on the trial of matters in dispute. One of their first recommenda tions was, that whenever both parties wished to have the matter tried by a judge without a jury, it should be competent for them to have it so decided. He could not quite agree to this recommendation unmodified, for several reasons, which he detailed ; and therefore he pro posed that whenever both parties wished the matter to be tried by a judge, without a jury, it should be with this limitation—if the judge should think fit, or if the case came within certain general rules, to be framed by the judges. This would be a safe step, and if experience proved the system to work well, it might then be easily extended. The Commissioners next recommended that cases involving matters of account should at once be sent to a referee without coming to the court. This he approved. A number of improvements were also recom mended in the trial by jury itself, nearly all of which he accepted. At present a distinction was made between com mon and special jurors ; but it was proposed, and he con curred, that an alteration should be made by raising the qualification, and by providing that there should be onlyone panel for both. Some alterations were recommended in the mode of trial, by both parties having the right of ad dressing the court after having called their witnesses. These he approved, and should adopt. Some technical alterations, which he approved, were also recommended, which he need not detail ; but there was one he might mention. The rule of calling attesting witnesses to prove documents :would be abolished except in certain cases. He did not propose to interfere with the rule which required unanimity in the jury; but if the jury could not agree within a given time, say twelve hours, then they wo*ld be discharged, the judge having in the meantime the power of ordering reasonable refresh ments. In the case of a jury not agreeing and being Jischarged there would be a new trial. These were the principal recommendations relative to the jury. Another recommendation had great good sense in it. It was that the evidence of parties who had con scientious scruples to take an oath might be re ceived, if the judge was satisfied their scruples were conscientious. But he was extremely reluctant to give up the security which was ensured by the oath ; therefore the oath would be retained, except in the case of those persons who stated they held conscientious ob jections to it. Having detailed the recommendations with respect to the proof of handwriting, and the re ception of insufficiently stamped documents, which he adopted, the noble and learned lord referred to several others to which he could not accede, and which therefore he did not intend to propose. He then mentioned that the court which had adjudicated upon a case would have the power of issuing an injunction to prevent a repeti tion of the injury, but he did not propose to give the common-law courts the power of issuing decrees for spe• cific performance. The commissioners recommended greater facilities with respect to equitable defences. He proposed also that equitable defences should be pleaded in bar to the action. After some further explanations, the noble and learned lord laid a bill upon the table, which, after the second reading, he proposed to refer to a select committee, the committee to meet imme diately after the return of the Lord Chief Justice from circuit. - now the house would consent to go into committee in order - - - - - - to proceed with the estimates. Mr. LUCAS having postponed his motion with respect to alleged grievances suffered by Roman Catholic soldiers and sailors, in the absence of the Secretary at War, Lord CAMPBELL pointed out several details in the bill which would require great consideration, but gave it a general approval. He expressed his satisfaction that it was not proposed to take away the trial by jury, though he admitted there were cases in which a single judge would be sufficient. He approved, however, of all the improvements proposed to be introduced into the mode of trial by jury, and particularly of the discre tion given to the judge in cases where witnesses had conscientious objections to the taking of an oath. Lord BROUGHAM described his satisfaction at the measure, and mentioned that, without any concert, but solely from a consideration of principles, the commis sioners and himself had arrived at the same conclusions. The bill was a step in the right direction, which, before their lordships had done, he hoped would be converted into a stride. The bill was then read the first time, and their lord ships adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS—(YESTERDAY.) MASSACRE OF SINOPE. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY took the same opportunity of directing attention to the destruction of the Turkish flotilla at Sinope on the 30th of November, 1853. On the whole he thought Russia was not to blame for having de stroyed the flotilla, though he took exception to the man ner in which they did it, but the Government were to blame for not having allowed the British squadron to enter the Black Sea in sufficient time to prevent the catas trophe. (Hear, hear.) It was known some time before it occurred that the Russian fleet had left Sebastopol, and Lord Stratford de Redcliffe warned the Government what would happen unless the British squadron was di rected to piss through the Bosphorus. It was true that instructions were sent out directing that the Russian autho rities should be warned that if the fleet entered the Black Sea it would be taken as an open act of hostility, and he wanted to know how it was that this instruction was not carried out until after the affair at Sinope had taken place ? But, putting all that aside, it was notorious that before a powerful naval force was cruising about Sinope some days before the Turkish flotilla, and he wanted to know what the British squadron was about at the mouth of the Bos phorus while all this reconnoitring was going on. (Hear, hear.) Certainly a fault was committed somewhere, and it was the duty of Parliament to find out with whom the responsibility of the neglect rested. (Hear, hear.) Sir J. GRAHAM reminded the house that this part of the Turkish case was much dwelt upon in the recent lengthened debate on the Eastern question, and he thought it then received the fullest explanation from the Govern ment. So far back as the Bth of October last, in structions were given to the British squadron that the territory of Turkey on the Black Sea should be pro tected against any Russian attack, and immediately after the affair at Sinope that instruction was extended to protecting the Turkish flag on the Black Sea as well as the Turkish territory. The first of these instructions was not communicated to Russia until a ft er th e outrage o f Si nope ; he readily admitted that, but the delay which thus took place he thought was fully explained in the blue-books, and to those books he must refer the hon. baronet for an answer to his question. (Hear, hear.) It would be seen from the papers, in fact, that Admiral Dundas offered to go into the Black Sea before the Sinope massacre took place, but by some misfortune he did not obtain any answer from the Turkish Government to this application until after the calamity had happened. (Hear, bear.) It was clear, therefore, that the Turkish Govern ment was alone to blame for having left their flotilla so unprotected at Sinope ; while, with regard to the imputations and insinuations which had been thrown out against Admiral Dundas, he would only stop to say that when the opportunity offered the gallant admiral would show that he was not wanting either in vigour or decision. (Cheers.) Sir DE LACY EVANS asked what had been the re sult of our examination of the Black Sea. Sir J. GRAHAM said our cruisers had repeatedly visited Varna, the entrance to the Sea of Azoff and coast of Cir cassia, but they had never yet met with a ship bearing the Bleissian flag. (Hear, hear.) Admiral WALCOTT availed himself of that opportu nity to denounce the conduct of Russia in the Sinope affair, which he thought had inflicted indelible disgrace upon the Russian. flag, while the n o bl e , and almost superhuman resistance of the Turkish fleet would reflect honour upon the flag to the end of time. (Cheers.) The gallant admiral insisted that the period had arrived when the liberties of Europe demanded that the aggressions of Russia, which hitherto had been carried on by means of liplomacy, should be resisted by the force of arms and he there fore rejoiced to hear that our armaments would be carried out upon an extensive and vigorous scale. (Hear.) Mr. HENRY DRUMMOND reminded the house that if the country was to be well served by its officers they must be protected from the attacks of unprofessional critics. (Hear.) He remembered some 30 years ago Nunn.- with the present Admiral Dundas in the Mediterranean,° and the admiral then remarking to him—" The time may come when I shall be an admiral having the command of a fleet on this sea in a time of war, and then I believe the greatest difficulty I shall have to contend with will be the sneers and sarcasms of unprofessional members of the Legislature. (Hear, hear.) He hoped that prophecy would be a warning to the house for the future. (Cheers.) Mr. F. FRENCH protested against the H ouse o f Com mons being precluded from discussing th e con d uct of our Admirals on the ground just stated. (Hear, hear.) Lord D. STUART said the disaster of Sin o p e was b u t the result of the hesitating policy which had been pursued. (Hear, hear.) It was to be seen from the despatches of Lord Stratford how deeply he regretted that the allied fleets did not enter the Black Sea sooner. (Hear, hear.) It was unaccountable that they should have delayed so long, considering that the instructions were to protect the Turkish forces and territory. For a long time before the affair of Sinope the movements of the Russian fleet were known ; and they had swept the Black Sea t wo mon th s . Unless the ambassador had received instructions at every hazard to prevent risk of war , the alli ed fleets would have gone to the rescue of the Turkish squadron. (Hear.) Such a feeble policy would only be calculated to frustrate the very object it had in view. Captain SCOBELL said, when an hon. member asked whether the House of Commons should not discuss why the allied fleets had not entered the I)lack Sea, the answer was that it must depend on the winds and weather--(hear) and that it was impossible sitting there to command a fleet in the Black Sea. (Hear, hear, and lau g ht er .) N or could the ambassador at Constantinople do so—it must depeild on the judgment of the admiral. (Hear.) It was said, why had not the English fleet sailed into th e Bl ac k Sea alone ? The answer was, that it would have been most unwise to do so, as it would have been equivalent to attacking Russia without a declaration of war, and with out the co-operation of France. The fact was that the disaster of Sinope was in a great degree owing to the rash ness of the Turks, who had remained within a short dis tance of Sebastopol, without any reason at all, except to tempt the Russians to attack them, and there was ample justification for the attack, although undoubtedly it had 'been characterised by needless barbarity. Our fleet was well manned, and he believed that in any struggle'which might ensue our sailors would display that gallantry which had marked their conduct in all previous encounters with the enemy. Lord J. MANNERS asked whether the noble lord (Lord J. Russell) was in possession of any information to the effect that since the British fleet had entered the Black Sea there had been any fresh aggression there on the part of the Russians. Mr. SANDARS, while he admitted that the affair of Sinope was nothing less than a savage massacre, was at a loss to determine where the real fault lay. He believed, however, that had we earlier informed Russia of our inten tions and had adopted more energetic measures at thecom mencernent we should not have found ourselves in so of this and the previous year with those taken for the last 25 or 30 years, and looking at the efficient navy which we now possessed under the auspices of the right hon. gentle man, there was much food for congratulation as to the small amount required to prepare such an efficient fleet as contrasted with years when there was scarcely any fleet at all for the defence of the country. Mr. CORRY, acknowledging the admirable state of effi ciency into which the fleet h a d been brought, said there was one arm in which he feared it wa s deficient ; he alluded to ships fitted for carrying mortars. When he was at the Admiralty a second class steam-sloop was fitted for that purpose, and the experiment was looked upon as a success ful one. Admiral BERKELEY said, that all our large ships at present threw shells from their 68-pounders, almost in the name way as mortars, and were capable of bursting their shells at the same distance as mortars. Mr. CORRY—But without the power of elevation. Captain SCOBELL hoped the improvement of the small arms would not be lost sight of. Some of the marines, he apprehended, were now practised in the use of the Millie rifle. He wished to ask whether the Board of Admiralty had finally made up their minds as to the propriety of employing iron as a material for ships of war ? He wished also to put a question to the right hon. gentleman with regard to the reward given to the inventor of a screw-pro peller. He understood there were parties who were said to have a reasonable claim to be considered in the matter, and who. urged that the screw-propeller invented by them was the very one which the Royal navy now used, and for which the premium had been awarded. Sir J. GRAHAM had great pleasure in informing the hon. and gallant member that the muskets supplied on board her Majesty's ships were of the most improved de scription. With regard to the second question which had been put to him, he had to state that the result of the inquiries which had been made afforded proof that iron was not a material well adapted for the construction of ships of war. With regard to the item referred to .by the hon. and gallant gentleman, the circumstances of the case were, that as sumof 10,0001. had been paid to persons claimed to be the inventors of the screw-propeller in use in her Ma jesty's ships, but at the same time a bond of indemnity had been required, in the event of any person hereafter coming i forwarcl and proving himself to have been th e ori ginal nventor, and if Captain Carpenter were, in fact, the original inventor, he could institute a legal claim. Sir F. BARING stated that he had paid, when he had the honour of holding office, a sum of 10,0001. to persons claiming to be the inventors of the screw-propeller now employed in the navy. The invention was not a simple invention, but rather a combination of inventions, and, in his opinion, the persons who had conducted the business had shown a very liberal spirit, and, indeed, he was con vinced that if each invention bad been paid for seperately, the expense to the country would have been considerably greater than it had actually been. Mr. FRENCH felt bound to state that, in his opinion the credit of the application of the screw-propeller to nau tical affairs was due to Captain Evans. That officer had been sent to inspect the Archimedes, which, he believed, was one of the first ships which was fitted with a screw propeller, and he had been present at the trial which took place, and the inventor was at that time utterly ignorant of the power which the screw gave over the helm, and every one of the statements which Captain Evans made on that occasion had since been justified by the result. When ore ._ cut was claimed by different persons for the application of the screw-propeller, he thought that some credit was due to an officer . who had so materially facilitated its adapta tion. Captain SCOBELL said that all that Captain Carpenter desired was, that justice should be done him. He believed that the money which had been paid had come to a Mr. Low, and the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council had refused Mr. Low an extension of his patent. He himself felt convinced that the screw on board that celebrated ship the Agamemnon, and many other first-class ships, was more similar in principle to Captain Carpenter's invention than it was to any other. Sir F. BARING said that the fact of the Judicial Com mittee of the Privy Council having refused Mr. Low an extension of his patent was no proof that he was not the original inventor. Mr. STAFFORD considered that the right hon. gentle man was quite justified in having paid the sum of 10,0001. as he did ; such had been the opinion of the late Board of Admiralty and of that which preceded, and he thought also of that which succeeded it.' The vote was then agreed to. A vote of 374,6421. for new works, improvements, and repairs in the yards, &c., was agreed to. A vote of 32,0001. for medicine and medical stores was also agreed to. On the vote of 54,6531. for miscellaneous services, Mr. STAFFORD expressed his satisfaction that the Board of Admiralty had continued the grant to the Sailors' Home which had been proposed by the late board. The vote was agreed to. On the vote of 657,575/. for reserved pay and half-pay, Admiral WALCOTT thought that, accustomed as we had been to refer the high position which England bold among nations to the superiority of her naval power, he could not do otherwise than concur in any measure which should make a more adequate provision for manning the navy. For, of what possible use or avail could it be to boast of a splendid navy of ships, unless manned with the sinews and nerves to render them efficient ? But it was necessary plainly to tell the man-of-war's man to what he might look forward—to satisfy him of the certainty of that provision which was proposed for his welfare, present and future. The officers should possess the perfect conviction that no disposal of patronage, for ends private or political, would mar their prospect of the reward due to merit. Then this country would reap the full benefit of such a generous and fostering care of a noble profession. He agreed wholly in opinion with the hon. and gallant member for Bath that nothing could be more unwise than to encumber a ship with any large proportion of landsmen. Very few, in deed, but ordinary seamen ought to be taken on board. Lads from 14 to 18 years of age were the material from which blue jackets must be made. In the navy yearly from 3,000 to 4,000 such ought to be entered, in order to supply regular men-of-war's men. He was gratified by the testimony borne by the right hon. baronet the First Lord of the Admiralty to the services of his predecessors at that board. To the Duke of Northumberland the service was indebted for the Committee on Manning the Navy, of such vast importance in its results. He believed that no man ever entered upon that office with more single minded purpose, or more earnest desire to conduce by every possible exertion to its efficiency ; and, as regarded its patronage, to make merit the sole criterion of advance ment. Allusion had been made to the crowded state of the lists. It ought and must be remembered that during the last war we had at one time no less than 1,003 pen dants flying, and to officer those ships was a matter of the first necessity. The officers then employed served their country with fidelity, and to its utmost advantage, and they ought not to be dealt with in speeches of disparage ment. Many in peace-time earnestly and perseveringly advanced their claims to continued service—many were still most desirous of employment, and in a short time hundreds of these men would no longer need the reward of good and gallant service. But he would remind the house that the first evidence and sign of a declining nation were ingratitude displayed towards those who had,stoed by their country, giving her strength and life in that hour in which she most needed them. , The country was entering upon another war ; and she would require able heads and youth ful spirit and vigour, and they ought to be cheered on wards by the bright hope that the country would not be disregardful of their claims upon her consideration. Their ardour should not be damped by indifference shown to those who preceded them in a career no less noble or momentous to the interests of their country. Capt. SCOBELL hopedthat the Admiralty would go upon the principle of giving promotion according to merit. The Admiralty had the power of checking any man's pro motion they pleased, and the few that were employed were not selected solely on account of public merit. It was a hard case that half the lieutenants never got beyond that rank. Owing to their numbers they could not be pro moted, but the Admiralty could pick and choose where they pleased,__ _ _ _ Mr. W. WILLIAMS said, that as the hon. and gallan admiral opposite had observed, that officers of merit in the sea service had been neglected he could not help contrast ing the manner in which naval officers were treated with the conduct pursued towards officers in the army, in refer ence to good service pensions. He perceived by the esti mates that one of the persons receiving a good service pension in the navy was Commodore Michael Seymour. This gentleman entered the service on the sth of Novem ber, 1813, and doubtless must then have been very young. In March, 1814, only four months afterwards, he was pre sent, while serving in the Hannibal, at the capture of the French frigate La Sultane, and that was the only service he had rendered for this good service pension. It was true that he had held the appointment of Commodore- Superintendent of Devonport Dockyard since September, 1851, and had been actively employed afloat as a com missioned officer about 18 years ; but he had been very fortunate in obtaining these two employments, and many an officer would have been glad to have the appoint. ments. The grant of a good service pension for the single service he had mentioned, exhibited a liberality of which the gallant admiral had no right to complain, especially when many men in the army who had served in the Peninsula and Waterloo were not so well rewarded ; but he thought that there was ground for complaint on the part of the country that in this case so much had been bestowed. Sir J. GRAHAM said, the hon. gentleman was rather unfortunate inthe instance he had adduced of ill-bestowed reward. Commodore Seymour's service were set forth in the paper before the house, and as he had had an interview that very day with the gallant commodore, he would tell the house what the nacure of that interview was. It became the duty of the Admiralty to select a captain of the fleet for the force to be commandel by Sir C. Napier, and he ac n - cordingly consulted Sir C. Napier as to the officer who, After o the whole, would be most efficient for that p conferring together and looking at the list of officers, s they both came to the conclusion that, if Commodore Seymour could be induced to accept the appolinetamr.ent, he would be ) That gallant the most efficient person, officer was at the moment Superintendent e of the Devon port Dockyard, and was also, one ac count of personal and p ro f es sional services—not w ithout regard to the character of his gallant father, who had been one of the most dis tinguished officers in the navy—in the receipt of a good serv ice pension. The moment it was mentioned to the gallant officer that for the good of the service he should leave the dockyard and go on board the Wellington as captain of the fleet, he replied that he was ready to start at 48 hours notice, and that he would resign his dockyard a ppointment and throw his pension to the winds if he c ould be of any service to the profession to which his heart was attached. (Hear, hear.) He (Sir J. Graham) did not think it right to take the gallant officer strictly at his wor d ; but, telling him that it was important that he should go on board the Wellington on the special service desired, added that he would make arrangements, in con sideration of the gallant officer's generous offer to resign his appointment, to keep it open for him until the special service was performed. (Hear, hear.) Mr. W. WILLIAMS had meant to cast no reflection on the gallant officer but he thought that many a lieutenant who had fought and had been wounded in some of the great battles of Nelson, and had nothing but their miserable half-pay to depend on, might consider themselves hardly treated when they compared the reward of their services with that given to a gentleman whose good service was confined to the first four months after his joining the navy. The vote was then agreed to, as were also the following votes :-476,6591. for military pensions and allowances, and 148,7981. for civil pensions and allowances. On the vote of 225,0501. (the last of the navy estimates), for army and ordnance departments (conveyance of troops), Mr. W. WILLIAMS complained that in the conveyance of some troops to Dublin a small mercantile steamer had been employed with great inconvenience to the men, when two men-of-war steamers, at the time lyi n g idle, might have been put in requisition for the purpose. Sir J. 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The house then went into committee of supply. On the first vote of 50,0)01., for defraying the charges for the Royal Naval Coast Volunteers, Mr. W. WILLIAMS said, he wished to call the atten tion of the First Lord of the Admiralty to several points in connection with these estimates. It appeared from the votes that there were 16 admirals in active service of whom two were in command of dockyards, and four were what were denominated port-admirals, so that only ten were actually employed on board ship. There were, how ever, 261 admirals in a state of idleness, receiving half-pay or pensions. Then there were 93 captains and 127 com manders, altogether 220 of both ranks on the active list, but there were 544 captains and 920 commanders receiving:- half-pay or pensions, and in a state of idleness. The num ber of lieutenants to be employed was 519, while 1,143 were unemployed. This was a monstrous state of things, which, in his opinion, well deserved the consideration of the First Lord of the Admiralty. Only 755 officers of all ranks were to be employed in a fleet which they were told was the most powerful ever sent to sea by this country, while 2,868 officers were left in a state of idleness. He (Mr. Williams) must say that, since the present First Lord of the Admiralty had been in office, he believed the manage ment of that department bad been much more economical and efficient than was formerly the case ; but he wished to call the attention of the right hon. baronet to the fact that, since the termination of the last war, there had been an expenditure of 62,000,0001. upon wages, machinery, and other items in the dockyards, and he would like to know what practical advantage the country had derived in return for such vast expenditure. Within the same period, also, there had been an expenditure of 10,500,0001. for the en largement of the dockyards. He was quite sure that if the right hon. baronet would take stock in his department he would find there had been, since the war, fully 25,000,0001. sterling spent, and very little left to show for it. He would also suggest that much advantage and saving might be effected by placing the navy agencies in the colo nies under the commissariat ; and, in conclusion, he trusted that the right hon. baronet would take measures for promoting savings-banks in the navy. Sir J. GRAHAM said, with reference to the large num ber of officers on half-pay, beginning with those in the highest rank, the hon. gentleman would recollect that full inquiry had been made by the committee which had sat on naval estimates under the presidency of the noble mem ber for Totnes, and upon the recommendations of which considerable reductions in the list complained of had been made ; of lieutenants on the effective list, indeed, the num ber had been so much reduced that in the recent armament considerable difficulty had been experienced in making up the requisite staff of lieutenants—so much so that an alte ration of the rules which had been introduced with refe rence to promotions from this very valuable class of officers would probablybe necessary. (Hear, hear.) There was no doubt that large expenditure had been incurred in the adaptation of existing ships to a more useful construction, and more especially in the adaptation of vessels to the screw system ; but the result, as manifested in the pre sent condition of our navy, would, he thought, be accepted as a valuable consideration. (Hear, hear.) The plan of con centrating the naval agencies in the colonies with the com missariat had been tried, experimentally, at Hong Kong, but it had been found productive of such complication of accounts, and such inconvenience to the naval service, that it had been abandoned. The importance of encouraging savings-banks in the navy was by no means new to him, for he had, twenty years ago, carried a measure for that very purpose. The measure, he was sorry to say, had not been so successful by any means as the introduction of savings-banks into the army ; but he was disposed to attri bute this rather to the different mode in which sailors were paid than to any inherent defect in the sailors themselves, as compared with soldiers. (Hear, hear.) Receiving their wages as the sailors did, in comparatively large sums, with long intervals, and when the ship was paid off in some port where every temptation to spend his money was presented to the seaman, it was not much to be won dered at that savings-banks were of less avail in the navy than in the army. He was very desirous, therefore, of remedying this defect by assimilating the pay of the sailor, in its mode of payment, as nearly as possible to that of the soldier. (Hear.) The existing condition of things was altogether inopportune for the introduction of so great a change, the various classes of seamen now afloat receiv ing, from circumstances, wages so various in their nature and amount; but he could assure the house that he would take the earliest practicable occasion to lay before them a measure to carry out the principle, calculated as that prin ciple was, he thoroughly believed, materially to improve the character of our navy. Captain SCOBELL considered that the system of offer ing large bounty and other special advantages to the naval coast volunteers was unfair to the other seamen who were invited, at this critical juncture, to enter the navy, and who, if really seamen, were quite as worthy of this en couragement as any particular class of their profession. Sir J. GRAHAM said that to extend bounty to all the seamen required for the present emergency would involve the country in an immediate outlay of not less than 200,0001.—an expenditure which was entirely unnecessary, since the full number of seamen who were required were found ready to enter without that inducement. (Hear.) With the gallantry and high spirit so conspicuous in their profession, as our seamen saw danger to the country in crease, so increased their willingness to enter the service. Some few months ago, indeed, there was a difficulty in getting seamen for the fleet ; but since it had become clear to the seamen of this country that danger was at hand, they had come forward with a spirit which could not be too highly admired. (Hear.) He was most anxious to give to every seaman a fair remuneration for his services, but, with reference to the naval coast volunteers, it should be recollected that they stood in the same position towards the general navy with relation to the bounty question as the militia occupied in reference to the army. Sir G. TYLER thought it would be extremely useful to the house if some information could be given them as to how the force of naval coast volunteers had been raised, and whether the number of men who had come forward—many of whom could not be altogether seamen— was equal to that for which the vote had been taken last year. He had always been of opinion that we must look to the merchant service for our seamen ; but it was most desirable that there should be always at hand a sufficient supply of sailors for continuously manning our fleet when required. The plan proposed, in a pamphlet written by Admiral Bowles, was, that there should be a naval mi litia, independent of the coast volunteers, formed along the coast and within fivo miles of it, and also that there should be a quota established for each great seaport town in Eng land. This force the author proposed to divide into classes, and suggested that the first class, composed of men from 18 to 30 years of age, should be made available for the service of the Royal Navy for a certain fixed period, liable to be called out like the militia, and with equal bounties and advantages. The second class would consist of men between 30 and 40 years of age, liable to limited service in the United Kingdom ; and in this way a force would be established which would be at all times available. He hoped the right hon. gentleman would give to the plan of the gallant officer that consideration which he (Sir G. Tyler) thought it deserved. Admiral BERKELEY said, it was true they had been obliged to take a certain number of landsmen in the force which had been raised; but the progress which these young men made in the schools was perfectly wonderful. The coast-guardsmen were a remarkably fine body of men, and the various captains whose ships had received quotas spoke of them in the highest praise. The enrolment of volunteers had not fully commenced; but the force already raised in the three weeks during which enrolment had been going on amounted to about 1,000 men. Captain SCOBELL said, that in proposing a system of bounties he wanted to induce men to come forward for a longer period of service. He would not give a bounty to any man who did not enter for 10 years, and would ex clude ordinary seamen and landsmen from the system alto gether. Mr. W. WILLIAMS was convinced that the diminu tion of corporal punishments on board Her Majesty's ships had been an inducement to seamen to come forward. He hoped the right hon. gentleman at the head of the Board of Admiralty would keep his attention fixed upon that point ; for, sure he was, that whenever an officer was found continually inflicting punishment on board his ship, that officer was not fit for command. The vote was then agreed to. On the vote of 51,722/. for the expenses of the scientific branch, Mr. BENTINCK called attention to the very long inter terval which elapsed between the completion of certain of the coast surveys and the publication of the charts. Sir J. GRAHAM acknowledged that the more speedy publication of the result of the surveys was a matter of great importance. He had given his attention to the re organisation of the hydrographical department, and an officer well known for his scientific acquirements, Captain Washington, had been appointed as assistant to Admiral Beaufort. The attention of these officers had been di rected to the urgent necessity of a more speedy publication of the surveys which had been made, as charts became comparatively useless if their publication was long de layed, and he believed the result of their joint efforts would be that the wishes of his hon. friend would before long be accomplished. Captain SCOBELL would suggest whether it would not be desirable for the Government to offer some premium for the best lifeboat or liferaft. The vote was agreed to, together with the following : 131,4511. for salaries of officers, &c., at her Majesty's naval establishments at home.' 22,2971. for her Majesty's establishments abroad. On the vote of 883,6481. for wages to artificers, &c., em ployed in her Majesty's establishments at home, Mr. J. G. PHILLIMORE wished to express his gratifi cation at the exertions in our naval establishments, which enabled England to put forth such a magnificent display of strength at such short notice. (Hear, hear.) As he had thought it his duty to express some disapprobation with regard to the proceedings of the Government he was glad to see there had been more vigour in execution than there had been unity in council. The vote was agreed to, together with a vote of 37,2591. as wages to artificers in our naval establishments abroad. On the vote of 1,142,7321. as naval stores for the buip ° in.' and repairs of ships, Mr. W. WILLIAMS owned that, comparing the votes the next fortnight arrangements would be made for the conveyance of additional troops, doubling that number ; and, considering the call made upon the Admiralty to pro vide for the effective service of the navy, he thought the house would admit that they had not at the same time been idle in providing conveyance for the troops. (Cheers.) With resoect to what had just fallen from the hon. gentle man, he - begged to say that, if there was want of acco modation on merchant steamers for the conveyance of soldiers, the accommodation was ten times worse on a war steamer. In conclusion, he thanked both sides of the house for the cordial and generous support they had afforded the Government in passing the estimates. (Hear.) Mr. PERCY made an inquiry respecting the applica tion of the smoke-consuming apparatus to Government steamers. Sir J. GRAHAM observed that the apparatus had been under trial in the dockyards, but had not been applied to 3rovernment steamers ; and the result of the trial induced um to believe that, though the apparatus was effee nal in bonsnming smoke, it occasioned a much larger con umption of coal. (Hear, hear.). Captain SCOBELL inquired whether the Admiralty were not aware that there were some Russian men-of-war in Austrian ports, and whether it would not be desirable under such circumstances, to have an escort to accompany our vessels conveying troops? Sir J. GRAHAM said, it was true that three Russian men-of-war were in the Adriatic, but he bad great plea sure in telling the gallant officer that there were also three English men-of-war there—(cheers)—and, if that were not enough, two very powerful French vessels were likewise in the Adriatic. Those three Russian men-of-war had been in the outer harbour of Trieste ; but they were afterwards hauled up within the inner mole, so that our men-of-war could not get at them. (Laughter.) The vote was agreed to. ORDNANCE ESTIMATES. Mr. MONSELL, in submitting the ordnance estimates, said he should endeavour, as shortly as he could, to explain the reasons for the increase in the different votes ; and he thought he should be able to satisfy the house that some, at least, of that increase would leave for future years a permanent annual saving. Upon the first vote, the in crease of the Royal Artillery was 53,023/. ; the Engineers, 29,461/. ; and the increased recruiting necessary for the addition to the forces, 20,1671. It would be hardly neces sary for him at present, after the statements made by his right hon. friends who had preceded him, to give any rea son for this increase ; but he thought he would be justified in giving very shortly a statement of the condition in which the artillery force now was. He was happy to say that the schools, which for several years had been pro gressively increasing, were admirably regulated. The Royal Military Repository had now in it a class of 24 non commissioned officers, who, besides acquiring a know ledge of the use and transport of military machines, were taught geometry, mensuration, and all those other studies which were necessary to the discharge of their duties. The Royal Artillery Institution, which was an institution of more recent foundation, had this year been opened, and already it had conferred very great advantages indeed in the way of a thorough system of education upon the offi cers of the artillery force. So great was the interest taken in this establishment that the annual subscriptions on the part of the officers themselves, which were last year 1531., had risen this year to 4201. A course of lectures was about to commence upon those subjects which were the most use ful for the officers of the artillery to be acquainted with— military carriages, polytechnics, &c.—and in addition to this Lord Raglan, the Master-General of the Ordnance, last year, for the first tim e , es t a bli s h e d a c l ass o f young men who had just received their commissions, and sent them to the continent with an experienced officer, to visit the best fortifications upon the continent, so that they might become acquainted with those improvements in the sciences connected with the artillery which were likely to render them most efficient in the discharge of their duties. He did not know if it had ever occurred to any gentleman here to compare the state of the artillery force now about to leave these shores for the East, and the condition of that force which, under the late Duke of Wellington, and amounting to about the same number, quitted these shores for the Tagus in 1808. He thought nothing could be more remarkable or more satisfactory than such a comparison. In every singular particular the greatest possible improve ment was manifest. In the first place, instead of the small howitzers of 4 2-sths and 5i inches, the howitzers now sent out are 12 and 24 pounders, longer, heavier, more effective, and of the best possible description. In the ord nance in 1808, in each of the batteries there were three kinds or different sorts of guns used, which caused great confusion in the supply and expenditure of ammuni tion. At present there are only two kinds in use, and the system adopted is very simple and uniform. In 1808 civil artificers accompanied the field batteries, and were found most unserviceable and troublesome ; but now, instead of civil artificers, military artificers form a component part of every troop. At the former period there were no in structions for exercise, and every captain used his own discretion ; at the present time the most clear and precise instructions are laid down, and are in the hands of every artillery officer, the effect of which has been to secure a perfect uniformity in the execution of all duties committed to them. The code of finance regulations was not settled in 1808, from which many hardships arose ; but now the finance regulations are in the hands of every commanding officer. Perhaps one of the most striking contrasts between the two forces was in the sort of horses sent out. Any gentle man who would refer to the despatches of the Duke of Wel lington would find that the horses which accompanied the artillery in 1808 were very inefficient, and were described by Colonel Hardinge as a set of broken-down Irish horses, taken from the Irish commissariat. They were utterly useless when they came into action, and their inefficioncy frequently necessitated the leaving behind of guns at a time when their services were most important. The ar tillery force about to leave our shores would have 1,000 horses in the highest possible condition and order. Then with regard to pontooning, any gentleman who had at all studied the history of the Peninsular War would be aware that the difficulties occasioned by a deficiency of pontoons were remarkable. He believed it was only the year before the expedition he was now referring to, that in South America our forces were stopped for several days by a trench eight or nine feet wide, on account of the absence of pontoons. A sufficient number of pontoons would start with our forces now, and they would be altogether in the highest possible efficiency. He might mention many more particulars to the house, but he would not weary it by going any further into the subject. He had, however, thought it of importance to point out the gre a tly i ncrease d state of efficiency of the artillery force, which everybody knew was the most important arm at the disposal of any country in a time of war. He would proceed next to the increase in Vote 2 on the commissariat supplies, the greater part of which increase was occasioned by the extraordinary rise in the price of forage and other articles. The increase of price in that vote alone amounted to 158,0001. In the barrack supplies which were necessary this year he took an increased quantity on account of a miscalculation last year; 35,2981. was the increase occasioned by the increase of price; and the increase of 32,0001., was for the increase necessary to be made to the number of stores. Upon Vote 3, for the Ordnance-office, there was a decrease. The , Treasury committee, which sat upon the Ordnance and in vestigated most minutely the whole of the proceedings car ried on and the payment of the officers employed, state that several of them are most inadequately paid, and, instead of a reduction, he was happy to say they recommended several of the payments to be increased. Upon Vote 4, the salaries, allowances, and contingencies in establishments in the United Kingdom and colonies, there was a decrease of somewhere about 10,0001. The decrease in the colonies Vras very large, and was likely to be a permanent decrease, as many of the establishments which had been decreased in the West Indies, Canada, end other places, were not likely to be again augmented. Upon Vote 5, the wages of arti ficers, there was an increase of upwards of 20,0001., alto gether occasioned by the increase of wages rendered neces sary in the Royal carriage and other departments, through the anxiety to provide an additional number of carriages for the ships now fitting out for the Baltic fleet and a. change in the batteries of the Royal Artillery. The next vote was, for stores, and there was an increase upon it amounting in the whole to 267,8551. Of this sum the in crease occasioned by the new machinery which it was pro posed to erect at Woolwich and in its neighbourhood, in cluding the gun factory, upon which he should have to say a few words hereafter, amounted to 138,000/. Deduct ing that 138,0001. from 267,000/., 129,0001. remained, of which 79,0001. was for increase in price, leaving 50,000/. only to be accounted for. 25,6001. of that sum was on account of small arms, 6,8271. for gunpowder received on account of the equipments of frigates of the navy ; and there was another item for the carriages of the artill.ary, which had already been referred to. The next vote, for works, buildings, and repairs at home and abroad, - was 902,8211. ; and of that sum 336,7561. was required for for tifications and other works already sanctioned by Parlia ment ; and 262,6871. was for ordinary and current ex penses. Now, that 262,6871. for ordinary and current ex penses was an increase upon the same item in last y a it e right ts to o f somewhere to ereabtohue house4o," thatl, and that h e increasetthought was mainly occasioned by the incidenta l items havin g been in no instance this year reduced. It had been considered expedient to pursue that course, though the system had been usually adopted of reducing evory year the incidental items sent in to the different sta tions throughout the country, amounting to some 25,0001. At the end of the year it was found impossible without suffering serious injury, to take away this surplus, an d applications had then to be made to the Treasury to allow the money to be given from some unexhansted sur plus, so that the apparent reduction at the beginning of the year was no real reduction at all. Of the remaining immediately p urehas e of land enclosed.at ground for un increase in this vote th ere was an i tem of 100,0001. for the d had acamp,bee nwhich pr u ° w h a m s e a very moderate rat e , a t sums varying from 101, to 12/". an (Xi be at acre, and at any future time it would be quite possible to realise any idea of the house with regard to the formation of a camp. The next item he had to allude to was one of 85,0001. for a practice range at Woolwich, and he had shortly stated the other day, in answer to the hon. baronet the member for Westminster, the reasons for that vote. There had been for many years a practice range at Wool wich, which, he believed, had auswered every purpose per fectly well until some 12 or 14 years ago. At that period, when the use of steam upon the Thames had become so largely increased, the range was found unsafe in conse quence of the number of vessels continually passing. As it was perfectly essential, however, that the artillery force should have constant practice, it was of the last importance that that arm of the service should be preserved in every way possible. He thought the house would agree with him that no vote he had to propose was really of greater import ance to the service than this, and he believed none would be more cheerfully acquiesced in. Abroad a sum of 2,:)00/. was required for the erection of a garrison hospital at Ce phalonia, which would be the means of effecting an annual saving of 1901., now paid. The incre ase d accommodation required at elta would entail an expenditure of about 7,0001., and a sum of 10,0001. would be required for the improvement of the defences of St. Helena. It was thought proper, however, merely to ask for 2,5001. this year. 3000/. would be required for additions and alterations at the cadets barracks at Woolwich, and he thought no altera tions were more imperatively required ; for absolutely the three in cadets at Woolwich were obliged to sleep two or y a room, and they had no place whatever to study in. By the - the proposed alterations every one of the 40 cadets would be provided with a separate room. A. sum of 7,0001. or 8,0001. would also be required for increased hospital stations, gas, &c. ' ac commodation, drainage at various Upon Vote 8, for the Ordnance surveys of the kingdom, 25,000 i. additional was taken for the ordinary survey, and he might now mention tho precise position t of this matter with re gard to the scale of the surve y as inow stood. The ho use would, perhaps, ho ai.are, on the authority D u k e of the of Wellington, that . the Irish scale was adopted in Great Britain. It had been found to answer exceedingly well in. Ireland, but in Scotland, a year or two ago, a strong feel ;ng arose a gainst it —it was either too large or too small-- d it was considered too large. he believeDu • ring last year the question was submitted by the Treasury to the most scientific men in the country, who generally thought the sca le should be larger. It was now proposed by the Tree. h eery to submit the question again for the decision of scien- ) %.131. 1.132. 27i 22 25 81201 64 25 50 20 20 20 10 10 261 13A 20 20 St. 10 St. 25 20 20 50 20 all all 10 100 100 17 25 56 60 i 69i 9