The Sun. — London, England, 1833-11-07 00:00:00

PIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS. I said that the Irish farmer is a nonentity —that for using, when speaking of the Irish, the terms, which the Minister has raised by horse and foot, 'accompanied by Mr. Wobble, a solicitor, of Wel- him 2—Mr. Walden, landlord of the King that on the landlord regularly cleans him out, and that " the vermin who infest this country." The by carabine and cannon, in the winter, some will brook,, and several other gentlemen, came to the Head, Abbey -street, Bermondsey, stated ed ps, --......---. office to make an application to Mr. WHITE. Saturday evening last the defendant, accoml " ready subser language is harsh and grating, but it expresses smile in scorn at the blind and . An important return, as it affects the pockets rise or fall of rent means merely rise or fall of Mr. Clarkson said that he was instructed to make by three othercalled his h se When P persons, at ou 9 correctly the feeling of the working classes ; of almost every man in England, has been prices, as the whole produce, minus the pots- correctly with indignation ° weak an application in the case of James Reeves, who the former inquired for two public-houses • r !,„ eft , Zi Nobody printed by order of the House of Commons. toes, regularly goes to the landlord. . , whatever may be thought by the higher classes, turn from the and had been convicted for selling a publication called neighbourhood, and afterwards informed sch- • 4 h was It, the estrangement of the lower, caused in a great wanton ostentation of the executive power.— the Police Gazette. that he had a billet upon him, adding that if be ts It is a " Return of County Rates in England takes Polish or Russian serfs into consideration ceeP 'la measure by the belief that they are sacrificed to Morn i ng Post. Mr. WHITE inquired who was the proprietor of " paid out," meaning that money was mor e a e el 't or and Wales " —not, of course, comprehending when speaking of Polish or Russian agriculture, Ireland, . • • the Police Gazette? Mr. Clarkson sai d (as we un- able than sending recruits there, he should can I, ' is a fearful consideration. Under all Sc poor-rates, but that whole mass of local burdens because, though rhey have a better living than • . S h POLICE INTELLIGENCE. derstood) Mr. Penny. He was instructed in- the billet. circumstances, we think Mr. Poulett crope as fleet. Por imposed separately upon each county, by its own the Irish serf, they still only have a living, ' John's V quire whether the Magistrate had convicted him for Another publican gave evidence to the same e enr ily d d r h en ere an essential service to his country. Till MANSION-HOUSE. selling the Police Gazette, or whether it was because Mr. TRAILL said that it. had not been satisfa ew s especial authorities, in the same manner as the What the Standard says about Irish rents being, fren Several boys having been brought before . the Irish counties have been scourged by their re- enl i s t e d in te selfishness of the_ landowners is • he had some unstamped almanacks in his bag along proved that the defendant had not the comP i ! a s , 7 th with the Gazettes. higher or lower, may, therefore, be safely passed the cause of the people, it will be . i incu to put LORD MAYOR, some of whom were found in the of recruits for whom he applied for billets. A lt ,." °- b`sd I •-• spective squiredoms twice a- ear in the grand over. But he save, " The short answer to Mr. lreland. • streets by the police, utterly destitute, but not coin- Mr. WHITE said that before he answered an it was stated by the billetti constable that he by ,i jury-room assembled. On looking over a few an end to . the dreadful . state of things Scrope ' s complaint of the advantages enjoyed mitting any offence, his Lordship told the parish questions he should wish to know the object ofthe followedthe and him Mine pages of this return, which contains the years by Irish agriculture is, that in Dublin prices —Morning Chronicle. 6 officers present that he had received a letter from in three men instead of thirty, yet that did 0 „ s t, ij . ti from 1821 to 1832 inclusive, we have been An evening contemporary attempts to cavil the Committee of Management of the Society for are as high, deducting freight and commission, Mr. Clarkson said that he was prepared to prove the assertion on the part of the se r g e jo, , L' struck, not so much hy any general increase of' the Suppression of Juvenile Vagrancy, which was as they are at Mark-lane. The reason of this at the conclusion which we yesterday drew from contend that the Poli ce Gazett e was not P a news- that the men might have left that particular pa r F ie 4 deserving of the attention of all parishes. The too' ,' fa the rates, as by the disproportionate progress in fact will at once expose the fallacy of his whole the increase in the sums annually expended for paper, nor could not be considered so under the and went and lodged in other parts of the cilia Q all those particulars which indicate the amount theory. In the present state of supply and the relief of the poor, and from the increase in letter was as follows: Act of Parliament of the 16th of Geo. 11., c.. 56, With respect to the conduct of the sergeant ‘ A , the his of crime throughout the country, and of mal- consumption its this country, the ability of the number of criminals committed for trial. "My Lord—The Committee of Management of the and : it was the intention of the proprietors of the occasion, care would be taken to represent it at '!) Society for the Suppression of Juvenile Vagrancy observe administration of the public property, as coin- the purchaser, and nothing connected with We argued that these two facts, taken conjointly, with regret numerous instances of poor boys ill-treated by . Police Gazette to remove the case, by certiorari, proper quarter, where it would, no doubt, M l " l, 1 se , ~ "N ti pared with those which concern merely the the cost of production, is, in fact, the afford irresistible proof of the increasing poverty their parents and sent to the workhouse, and others who into the Court of King's Bench, and try the case, investigation before those under whose corttr ° ' demands of convenience and accommodation. measure of price. Farmers sell at a loss, be - of the g reat mass of the p eo p le. It is well are sent to the House of Correction for keeping in the to see whether it could be brought under the deno- was placed. In by far the majority of the English and Welch cause the purchaser is not able to pay a remu - known that within the last few y ears the funds open air as vagrants. lam desired to acquaint you that mination of a newspaper. THE MARKETS. provided for the relief of helpless want have Ship,henever such or similar cases come before your Lord- Mr. WHITE said that he must decline answering counties the charges for " prisoners " and " pro - nerating price •; and the purchaser is not able to see if the parish to whom the child belongs willan questions until the conviction had been returned J. COAL MARKET.—Nov. 6. 0. secutions " have swelled enormously, and in a pay a remunerating price chiefly because of the been dealt out with a stern and rigorous parsi- 1 0 1., this charity • into • pay Y q • will take them its asylum, and pro- to the sessions. Per Tort, s. d. Per Ton. 1 9 more especial manner within the last six years, free trade system. Looking to permanent re-for them by apprenticeship in the colonies, should M Clarkson 1 • r. said they lead no hostile feeling Adair's .......................... 16 6 Walls End Killingworth i g 0 0 .t mony, almost amounting to a denial of assistance vide of the most Beaumont l5 6 Walls End Newmarcn., i g 6 while those for " bridges and repairs" have ex- sults, it is extremely doubtful, as we have shown, in every case which was not one the party appear to your Lordship a proper object and whatever; his only object in making the application, Charlotte hibited a more frequent reduction, or have in whether the total exclusion of Irish produce extreme and urgent necessity. Yet, notwith- come within our rules.—l have the honour to be, &c. was to know whether the man was convicted for Chester Main l5 0 Walls End Perkins & C°' 19 5 '' , lt a i &e. &e " HENRY AMSINCK, Sec., pro tern." 15 0 Walls End Riddell's ....." b it i,OO Primrose ........... . 1 5 4 0 most instances (though of course not in all) would, in any respect, benefit the English standing the augmented difficulties objected to _ sr ., es . Booker, one of the parish-officers of Bishops- unstamped selling the Police Gazette, or for having Ellison Low Main —,. 14 9 Bells Primr05e........---' 19 5 j,, C remained stationary. Although the cost of farmer, so long as he is disproportionately bur- the applicants for parochial relief, there has been gate, pans a oun had poor unproteced publications rt bd . • h in his possession, as he saw it stated t E it„ P u e r r n c3 e' lain IL ' ICl'l b s tn nn r r i a n ,lzl;. , % 6 17 °1 1 b ldren, stated that he had made inquiries into the in some of the newspapers that evidence was given Holywell _ _ transporting vagrants, whether Irish, Scotch, or dined at home, and so long as the unnatural an increase of one since chi character of the charity alluded to, and found that to that effect. Ord's Redhugh ................. 15 6 Walls End Lyons....--'* 91 6 °l lb English, cannot be said, upon the face of these state of our monetary system depresses all classes 1826, in the sums annually expended for this Shipcote l4 6 Walls End Lambton —.7 , 0 , 1, it was unexceptionable. The authorities were, he Zl i r.W c i l srr k e again telined ansvvering the question. I:anfield—.... l3 OW. E. Russell's Hettorl 15 6 tl returns, to present any striking growth, the cost but the capitalist to a state of extreme poverty. object. Our contemporary says that " the He rad is careful not to tell us whether the sum believed, therefore, ready to give 100/. with ten that the Bench would at 1 ownley l5 3 Ditto Russell's Lyon's , .." ,00 6 k ' 4 , 0 of apprehending and conveying "prisoners, " At all events, we think we have said enough to once * see what son the s object of his application was. 'r yla t m Hartley l7 0 Walls End Stewart's... , if/ 6 flt, 17 0 Dixon's Butterknowl, , 19 ' it mentions includes the whole sum levied as poor boys who were destitute, but most willing to and of prosecuting for offences, whether at demonstrate that there is no permanent oppo- His clients only wanted to raise the question, lie- Walls End Bell & Brown 18 9 Walls End Adelaide ~..", 19 1 I,';'/ vi' assizes or sessions, has undergone, so far as we sition of interest between the British and the poor rates, or only the sums actually expended work, and anxious to go to the colonies, in the hope ther the publication was or was not newspaper. ' , , z - ra s i s ts ti E e n u c L ewi s c o i r: z B B : gaol 19 ?, zvt i s s E E n n e d ku e r o Know'ig 0 h • I', have yet observed, a uniform and most appalling Irish agriculturist ;and we must strongly protest to relieve the poor. The Herald despises equi • of bein able to maintain themselves decent] The g LORD MAYOR said he had ' every reason r. to Mr. WHITE said that he considered the question li ci n— 19 9 uls Walls End 81ake.......... 17 3 W. E South Durham , ' is , TI Walls End 8r0wn'5.....—... 17 0 'Walls End Tees —..—.0. 1 6 5 i increase—doubled, trebled nay, in some against reasoning upon the hypothesis that such vocations such as that imputed too much to deal . ' . believe that poor boys would be much benefitted put to him as improper, and he should reserve what Walls End Carr and Co. 17 6 Cowpen ....................... a. A ~...., / 6 0 He al cases, quadrupled, or more, within the short permanent opposition of interests can exist •; in them. It is difficult to conceive how this by such emigration,d an that he would recommend he had to say until the case came before the Court UT,l """°. 17 ° Hartley .... » ..............- 3 , pia L. osforth ...... 19 6 Howard's Netherton a 3 Period of these 11 years. Making allowance first, as tending to engage the English agricul- almost wilful misunderstanding of our expressions it • to the various parishes for immediate adoption. A young man named Conolly was charged with of King's Bench. Walls End Heaton.—..—.. 19 0 New Flockton Milnet 0 " 't, Walls End Hilda.—...-- 17 6 and C 0........„:.......... «, p ry Clarkson said that all he knew of what had for even a more corrupt or careless misapplies- wrists in support of the treasonable scheme of could have been occasioned, except by the Walls End Hotspur.-- 18 0 : 1 f consciousness of a disposition to resort to having robbed an old gentleman named Hartshorn transpired Mr. at the office was from the public press. Ships arrived since last market-day, 156. Yat Lion of the public money, as the sums to be separation ; next, as diverting the attention of —..,.. 0, He then commented at great length on the Act of Wi7 4 , distributed have been progressively augmented, British farmers from the safe and sound remedy rot- The complainant stated that, as he was similar subterfuges for the purpose of strength- of his watch and seals. , Parliament under which the conviction took place, COUNTRY CORN MARKETS DURING THE 0 , q and thereby the temptation heightened, this vast for their distress—a more equal distribution of ening a weak argument or holstering up a walkin g and said that a defendant had no appeal. The in- enlargement of the fund levied in aid of the their home burdens, the protection of the agri- ten cause. We spoke of the " sums annually few nights a o near Cripple a sudden] g eate Church, a man retests of his clients were at stake, who had em- Per Quarter. s. to s. ..s. to s. Lto 8. 0. iilt 11 purposes of criminal justice speaks volumes as culture of these islands from foreign conipeti- expended for the relief of' the poor," and the stood t toutof y th b e efore him. Witness told the man barked their property in the concern, and he wished Andoverb i o n............. v , gi t , t i 43 3 22 30 32 . ' 4l , i ... 0. .! to the march of transgression. In Middlesex tion, and an emancipation of the credit and account we quoted was headed " Amount ex- don-wall. 1 syay, and proceeded towards Lon mmediately afterwards he found that he to know whether the bench would allow his clients Birmingham...—. 56 58 30 40 16 22 •"" A O 1 Bridport ........—. 56 74 32 36 26 30 """ 7,, the charge for conveying convicts to the place of industry of the country from the tyranny Itended for the Relief of the Poor." These was surrounded by several men, one of whom to have a copy of the depositions ? Cirencester --.... 46 56 25 30 20 23 embarkation was, in 1822, 1,179/. In 1832, of the money lender class by a repeal Of were our words, and we do not see how their snatched his watch with such force li . from is fob as Mr. WHITE said he must decline complying with sannedon— 54 86 36 40 26 31 -"• ;) 1 Guildford --.... 48 74 23 32 26 35 -*** ,„• v , his request. it was 2,206/. In the same county the whole the Bill of 1819. Let them follow such very obvious meaning could be mistaken. But actually to turn him completely round. The thief M r. c k Henley 54 83 30 35 20 30 •••• " vr .-- r expenses of the House of Correction, Cold- leaders as Lord Chandos, and they will go it is said that the increase in the sums expended ran off as fast as he could, and witnese, though old, .Clarkson gain renewed see his request, and E s i Z f tv o o rd ru — ) 64 68 : 4 28 34 2 `. 4 , ~, i,J, / pointedout the hardship t his clients; nts ; the property Maidenhead .. 56 68 34 44 22 30 . 1 "' ", VI g bath-fields, was, in 1822, 16,0741. ; in 1832, right ; by pursuing the advice of Mr. Poulett for the relief of the poor is not conclusive proof followed speedily, crying out, " Stop thief." The was of great consequence to them. Monmouth .. 66 68 32 36 24 28 --" , p`nr,, : 25,2571. In 1822 the costs of prosecution at Scrope they may, if they succeed, perhaps of the increase in the distress of the people, prisoner was the person who committed the Mr. WHITE recommended the parties to pl to Reading ............ 40 66 22 36 14 26 Z t;',Pii 1 the Old Bailey were 6,7701.; in 1832, 8,245/, obtain the exclusion of Irish produce, for a few because it may be occasioned ,by parochial robbery. Witness never lost sight of him from the the Attorney-General for his opinion on the subject. Vl u alr y ,,, — , - = tt gz, 26 V 2O g:1 -- 0 !4 ,, , 0 ~, t , So the interest of the county debt has grown weeks, at the expense of being overwhelmed by jobbing. So far as there has been any difference moment the snatch was made and the prisoner was stopped in his flight. Mr. Clarkson said that he would .much rather Stroud "Fewkesbury ........ 65 74 30 42 30 38 •"" ' poet t ", up, since 1822, from 2,416/. to 11,3661. in the the produce of all the rest of the world for ever." at all in this charge upon the annual expenditure The prisoner said he was not the thief and that have his (Mr. White's) opinion, as the Attorney- uxbridge ............. 48 74 26 34 20 26 ;7, $ ' i tt , t . \ N last year. In fine, the sum total of county rates, Now, with all submission to our contemporary, of parishes, there cannot be a doubt that it has lie ran slowly, as he was accustomed to do in the , General would not give art opinion against the in- Wastage e sTe7 — 5 473 g 1: 9 ) 27, 32 17 N ~, 0 , ;!4, 4 , , which was 39,8931. in 1822, was, in 1832, this short answer is no answer at all. If the been greatly diminished since the year 1826, by streets in conformity with his character as a bearer retests of the Crown. Windsor Worcester—. 50 57 30 32 24 32 - j/ Z)ri . ' Some further discussion k 1 too p ace, which was 77,772/., of which increase the greater portion, trade were as free between Poland and Belgium the exertions which have been applied to the of messages. LEWES MARKET.—Nov. 5. 0 A.N only a reiteration of the above. White Wheat (per quarter).....—..X2 13 0 to £2 ,„ IS 0 Otg e viz., about 20,000/. of annual charge, has and England as between Ireland and England, correction of this evil by the press, and by Mr. Hartshorn said the crowd of fellows who Mr. WHITE then rose from the bench, and had Red ditto 2lO 0 Is 0 individuals, and in which exertions we have formed the gang, to which, no doubt, the prisoner be- Barley-- —...—.... 112 0 1 0 4 k t , l sprung up since the commencement of the year the prices at Dantzic and Antwerp would differ some conversat i on with Mr. Clarkson and the other Oats, New _olB 0 0 1830. In Nottinghamshire the increase has from the prices at Mark-lane only by the freight assuredly borne our part. So far, therefore, longed, called out to witness as he pursued that the parties in a very low tone of voice. We understand Pease 0 --,.. 119 0 ~.......: , ; i 4 1, been from 7,600/. to 12,500/. ;in Gloucester and commission added to the latter. The mea- as this point enters at all into the matter, it prisoner wa, running in a different direction. The that a document was shown him from the Stamp- O Oil Cake, New l2 0 0 per thou li, i l' ' watch had not been found. ELT . E . I , :jILA . D .i I d. M A RICET.e—, 1b..T0 v. 5. d. to 1 ~, from 15,000/. to 20,000/. ; Essex, from 9,0001. sure of price would not be the cost of produc- must clearly be admitted that the proportion The ' * risoner—The gentleman said in the watch- office, whereby it appeared that the Gazette paid Per Bushel, 61 1 Olt to 13,000/. ; Dorset, from 6,000/. to 11,000/ ; tion in Belgium and Poland, but the proportion of the money stated to be expended in the house that P he did not see my face, and how can he the regular duty for all advertisements, and was by Wheat Barley 6 0 6 9 Beef 3 0 4 0 Mutton 0 1 oy,. 't Derby, from .5,000/. to 16,000/. ; Bucking- between the supply and demand at Maik-lane. relief of the poor in 1826, which was ac- swear lam the thief? that office designated a pamphlet. Oats 2 6 3 3 Veal hamshire, from 9,000/. to 15,000/. ; York, As long, however, as the cost of production tually wasted in mismanagement, and di- Mr. Hartshorn—l admit that I didn't see your In answer to Mr. Clarkson, Mr, WHITE declined saying whether, if that document had been pro- Beans Pease 4 6 5 3 Pork ... ........... ........ 0 ,`til, ' 5 0 7 0 Lamb q 11 Hay 3l . 103 to 3/. 15s. Od. per Um' ...o'' 'C iti tii . West Riding, from 39,000/. to 49,000/. But should continue lower in Belgium and Poland vested from the proper objects of its appli- face, but I never lost sight of your back. , N.,„,, , doted when the case was brought before him, he DUMFRIES MARKETS.—Oct. 30, 0. (1 , q ; ''Y everywhere with, we believe, the single exception than in England, Belgium and Poland would cation, must have been much greater in The prisoner was fully committed for trial. would have convicted or not. s. d. s.d. 0 13 ") at '4l of Devon (where, as in a few other counties, supply the English market to the extent of what 1826 than in 1832, and therefore the actual MARY LER ONE. Mr. Clarkson thanked the Magistrate for the at- Wheat, l Imp. Bush... 6 0 tO7 6 Butter, . 160 z.... ........... 0 0 0 tl tit there has been a diminution of the county rate), exceeded their home consumption ; and the effect increase in the sums actually expended has Yesterday Mr. Joseph Cowderoy, an extensive tention with which he had hear il him. The ob j ect Oats ar ey. * .0 0 5 014 J „....... .......... ~ the same lamentable feature is discovered—viz., of this supply would be to lower prices in End- liver -stable kee er an been in reality greater than the apparent increase. Y P , d landlord of the Port lan d of his application must be obvious to every person ; rz t u rn r a l i 4lb. 1 6 1 91Veal .....................•0.. ',.,' 0 ..4 h ti . But the conclusive objection made to our de- Ar m s, in Little Portland-street ,Portland-road, aP• but as no answer could be procured, the case would Potatoes. cwt. Ts ' a rise in that class of expenditure which is con- land. How much prices would be lowered in dat this office befo re Mr . hr Ts netted in any manner with the administration of England, and how much raised on the Conti- duction of the poverty of the people from the t p o e Peered e s u m mous . RAWLINSON to answer obtained against him by the committee be immediately taken before a higher tribunal. MEETINGS OF OF CREDITORS ~ e ra l ) criminal justice.— Times. nent, cannot be stated beforehand with anything growth of the money applied to the relief o the ofthh lopposite - for . e chapel his house, repeatedly an- The parties then retired. REO ' t h b, AT THE COURT, BASINGHALL - ST .. . .--„-.... -;e h.. t1,;..,,,,,,nt zinidipc nnly trt i f RS KATT ON-GARDEN. _....._......._—. . (Itl.l said that the Irish farmer is a nonentity—that the landlord regularly cleans him out, and that rise or fall of rent means merely rise or fall of prices, as the whole produce, minus the pota toes, regularly goes to the landlord. Nobody takes Polish or Russian serfs into consideration when speaking of Polish or Russian agriculture, because, though rhey have a better living than the Irish serf, they still only have a living. What the Standard says about Irish rents being higher or lower, may, therefore, be safely passed over. But he says, " The short answer to Mr. Scrope's complaint of the advantages enjoyed by Irish agriculture is, that in Dublin prices are as high, deducting freight and commission, as they are at Mark-lane. The reason of this fact will at once expose the fallacy of his whole theory. In the present state of supply and consumption in this country, the ability of the purchaser, and nothing connected with the cost of production, is, in fact, the measure of price. Farmers sell at a loss, be cause the purchaser is not able to pay a remu nerating price; and the purchaser is not able to pay a remunerating price chiefly because of the free trade system. Looking to permanent re sults, it is extremely doubtful, as we have shown, whether the total exclusion of Irish produce would, in any respect, benefit the English farmer, so long as he is disproportionately bur dened at home, and so long as the unnatural state of our monetary system depresses all classes but the capitalist to a state of extreme poverty. At all events, we think we have said enough to demonstrate that there is no permanent oppo sition of interest between the British and the Irish agriculturist ; and we must strongly protest against reasoning upon the hypothesis that such permanent opposition of interests can exist ; first, as tending to engage the English agricul turists in support of the treasonable scheme of separation ; next, as diverting the attention of British farmers from the safe and sound remedy for their distress—a more equal distribution of their home burdens, the protection of the agri culture of these islands from foreign competi tion, and an emancipation of the credit and industry of the country from the tyranny of the money lender class by a repeal of the Bill of 1819. Let them follow such leaders as Lord Chandos, and they will go right ; by pursuing the advice of Mr. Poulett Scrope they may, if they succeed, perhaps obtain the exclusion of Irish produce, for a few weeks, at the expense of being overwhelmed by the produce of all the rest of the world for ever." Now, with all submission to our contemporary, this short answer is no answer at all. If the trade were as free between Poland and Belgium and England as between Ireland and England, the prices at Dantzic and Antwerp would differ from the prices at Mark-lane only by the freight and commission added to the latter. The mea sure of price would not be the cost of produc tion in Belgium and Poland, but the proportion between the supply and demand at Mack-lane. As long, however, as the cost of production should continue lower in Belgium and Poland than in England, Belgium and Poland would supply the English market to the extent of what exceeded their home consumption ; and the effect of this supply would be to lower prices in Eng land. How much prices would be lowered in England, and how much raised on the Conti nent, cannot be stated beforehand with anything like accuracy ; but this may be stated with per fect confidence, that, so long as England should be the importing country, and the others the exporting countries, the prices in the ports of exportation would be as high as the prices in England, deducting the freight and commission. It is most absurd to suppose, that there is any difference, as far as England is concerned, between Ireland and a foreign country. The price in the English market depends on the proportion between the supply and the demand. If Ireland continues to throw An evening contemporary attempts to cavil at the conclusion which we yesterday drew from the increase in the sums annually expended for the relief of the poor, and from the increase in the number of criminals committed for trial. We argued that these two facts, taken conjointly, afford irresistible proof of the increasing poverty of the great mass of the people. It is well known that within the last few years the funds provided for the relief of helpless want have been dealt out with a stern and rigorous parsi mony, almost amounting to a denial of assistance in every case which was not one of the most extreme and urgent necessity. Yet, notwith standing the augmented difficulties objected to the applicants for parochial relief, there has been an increase of one-fifth-1,100,000/., since 1826, in the sums annually expended for this object. Our contemporary says that " the He rad is careful not to tell us whether the sum it mentions includes the whole sum levied as poor rates, or only the sums actually expended to relieve the poor." The Herald despises equi vocations such as that imputed too much to deal in them. It is difficult to conceive how this almost wilful misunderstanding of our expressions could have +been occasioned, except by the consciousness of a disposition to resort to similar subterfuges for the purpose of strength ening a weak argument or bolstering up a rot ten cause. We spoke of the " sums annually expended for the relief of Me poor," and the account we quoted was headed " Amount ex pended for the Relief of the Poor." These were our words, and we do not see how their very obvious meaning could be mistaken. But it is said that the increase in the sums expended for the relief of the poor is not conclusive proof of the increase in the distress of the people, because it may be occasioned ,by parochial jobbing. So far as there has been any difference at all in this charge upon the annual expenditure of parishes, there cannot be a doubt that it has been greatly diminished since the year 1826, by the exertions which have been applied to the correction of this evil by the press, and by individuals, and in which exertions we have assuredly borne our part. So far, therefore, as this point enters at all into the matter, it must clearly be admitted that the proportion of the money stated to be expended in the relief of the poor in 1826, which was ac tually wasted in mismanagement, and di verted from the proper objects of its appli cation, must have been much greater in 1826 than in 1832, and therefore the actual' increase in the sums actually expended has been in reality greater than the apparent increase. But the conclusive objection made to our de duction of the poverty of the people from the growth of the money applied to the relief of the poor, is, that this account applies only to 1832, and that it is since that time that the prosperity of which we bear so much has grown up. If we may refer to the columns of our contemporary as being of any authority upon the subject of the state of the country, this same prosperity, which he now sees so clearly, has become visible, not exactly within the last twelve months, but within the last two months only, for up to that time our contemporary bore almost daily witness to the general distress of the country. We leave him to compare his present assertions with his former statements, and we trust he will benefit by the improved knowledge of himself thereb) to be acquired—a species of knowledge with which, however, he appears at present to have as superficial an acquaintance as with any of the subjects he attempts to treat of and professes to understand.—Morning Herald. We think Lord Grey's friends are prematurely proud of the success of his campaign against the anti-tax payers of the metropolis. The Tories long ago did not reckon more exultingly the sunk three deckers of Trafalgar, or the captured eagles of Waterloo, than the Whigs now count up the tables they have carried off from Mr. Birch, and the bedsteads they have purloined from Mr. Savage. We say again that we think Lord Grey's friends are prematurely proud. In the same breath in which they proclaim their present victory they announce also their future defeat ; in the same paragraph in which they boast that they have triumphantly collected the obnoxious imposts they promise also that Lord Althorp will never dream of collecting them again. If they have for the present hushed the murmurs in Marylebone, and repressed the rebellion in Bethnal-green, they have done it rather by their willingness to concede than by their readiness to resist. It is either a good thing or a bad thing to raise money by taxes upon houses and windows. If it is a good thing, why does Lord Althorp now pur pose to abandon these taxes ? If it is a bad thing, why did not Lord Althorp abandon these taxes in the last Session of Parliament? The answer is obvious. Lord Althorp believes that it is just and expedient to raise money by taxes on houses and windows ; he said it, and did his endeavour to prove it, in the last Session of Par liament. But because the Birmingham Union dislikes these taxes—because the Times news paper dislikes these taxes—because Dr. Wade dislikes these taxes—Lord Althorp believes that it is fit and wise to repeal the taxes on houses and windows ; he will say it, and do his endea vour to prove it, in the next Session of Parlia ment. We shall estimate by Lord Althorp's future policy the wisdom of his present course. If he means to raise for the exigencies of the State a permanent income from these unpopular duties, certainly he cannot too promptly or too severely visit the open show of resistance to their collection. If, on the other hand, he designs to give them up in obedience to the Butlers and the Murphys, why does he prefer the shame of ultimate defeat to the grace of immediate concession ? Let not his Lordship fancy that he preserves the dignity or authority of the King's Government by the one course rather than the other. When he shall stand up in his place in Parliament next January, and tell Sir Charles Manners Sutton that it is not his intention to levy any more taxes upon houses and windows, he will be to the full as abject and as humbled a thing, as if he were to morrow to withdraw his instructions from the Sheriff, and to countermand his orders to the troops. But if it shall, indeed, be found that taxes are repealed by the Parliament in the spring Yesterday Mr. Joseph Cowderoy, an extensive livery-stable keeper, and landlord of the Portland Arms, in Little Portland -street, Portland-road, ap peared at this office before Mr. RAWLINSON to answer to a summons obtained against him by the committee of the chapel opposite his house, for repeatedly an noying the congregation. Mr. Shepherd, one of the Committee, stated that some time ago they obtained a grant from the Duke of Portland to build a chapel in Little Portland street, which was finished in April last, the site being in front of the defendant's house. The de fendant by its erection had imagined that he had sustained a severe injury in the livery-stable part of his business, and had applied to the Duke of Portland for compensation, but the Duke refused to de anything for him, upon which he threatened to annoy them (the Committee) till he had had satisfaction. On Saturday, the 2Gth ult., they summoned the defendant to this office for annoying the congregation on their egress from the chapel on the Sunday previous, by placing vehicles fronting the doors and along the crossings. He was then convicted and fined, lut had given notice of appeal. On Sunday last, as the people were leaving chapel, he set one of his boys to wash and dress a horse in front of the doors while lie himself got into a gig and harangued them on the ill usage he had re ceived. This was the cause of their the next day applying for a summons. If the defendant had really sustained any injury by the Duke of Portland letting them the ground, they of course could not be to blame. Mr. Clarkson thanked the Magistrate for the at tention with which he had heard him. The object of his application must be obvious to every person ; but as no answer could be procured, the case would be immediately taken before a higher tribunal. The parties then retired. HATTON-GARDEN. Some confusion is occasioned in argument by making use of terms which have more than one signification. We observe that the term agricul turist, used by Mr. Poulett Scrope, has led to misconception of his meaning. The Times of yesterday, for instance, observes, with reference to his letter—" It is fair to say, that, with all our full and hearty concurrence in the necessity of Irish poor laws, we doubt the correctness of Mr. P. Scrope's theory, when he ascribes the distress of the English farmer to his being un dersold by the Irish grower, because of the latter being exempt from any legal provision for the poor. We doubt whether the Irish farmer can undersell the English, or do more than meet him on equal terms, after paying his rent. If the Irish farmer be free from poor rates, does Mr. Scrope suppose that such a circumstance escapes the shrewdness of the Irish landlord, or that it does not enter into the calculation of both landlord and tenant when they strike the rent per acre ? The truth is, that Irish wheat is sold in Dublin or Cork market, quality for quality, on nearly the same terms as British in the markets of England, the cost of carriage being pretty much the same. If the Irish farmer Bays less in poor rate, he pays more in rent, and has even a smaller profit. The landlord alone is the gainer ; and if poor laws were established in Ireland to-morrow, Irish wheat would not be sold a fraction higher, but the rent would be wofully reduced, and the relation be tween the farmers or immediate sellers of grain in the two countries would remain, as to their respective profits, precisely what it is at present. With regard to the enlarged consumption of Irish grain in 1832, as compared with 1817, it is sufficiently accounted for by the increased de mand of a rapidly growing population, the agri cultural soil and productiveness of England itself not being susceptible of a proportionate increase. It was well observed by Burke, that in all argu ments with respect to agriculture, the tenant must be considered merely as the representative of the landlord. And, in fact, Mr. Poulett Scrope considered the Irish farmer merely as a potatoe-eater, who, whether prices were high or low, had no interest whatever in the question. SVhen be said that the Irish farmer could under sell the English farmer, he meant that the land lord, acting through the wretched creature that raises and disposes of the whole produce for his account, could undersell the English farmer. The English cultivator, as is well known, must maintain the population, whether he employs them or not, and if the supply of Irish food lowers the price below what would r s.olace to the Englishman the necessary ex pense, he is, of course, undersold by the Irish agriculturist. Whatever the price, high or low, the Irish agriculturist can always afford to sell, because the only cost of production is the supply of potatoes and water to the famished wretch, who i s re d uce d, by excessive competi tion, to the necessity of delivering over his whole produce to th e owner o f the soil. No reflecting person would, th ere f ore , bestow a mome nt's consideration on the being whom, by courtesy, we call Irish farmer, f rom no t know ing what else to call him. The whole tenor of argument went to ',how that Mr. Scrope's the landlord alo ne was concerned, for h e took pains to show, that, happen what might, the Irish peasant could only count on potatoes and water in good y i ears, and a relief by typhus from his cares n years of famine. Our contemporary (the Standar d ) has written a long article on Mr. Scrope's letter, the argu ments of which, with all humility be it spoken, he has utterly misunderstood. We have already CHARGE OF MURDER,--Yesterday, Richard Shortland, a butcher, a young man, was brought to this office, in the custody of John Capes and Wm. Dunstan Stanley, beadles of St. Pancras parish, charged before Mr. ROGERS and Mr. LAING, on sus picion of the wilful murder of Elizabeth Scully, a young woman, who was found drowned in the Re gent's Canal under suspicious circumstances. There not being sufficient evidence against the prisoner, he was discharged. (From the London Gazette.) f. I TO-MORROW, Nov. 8. 6. 1 1 D. Cockerill. cattle-dealer, Edmonton, Middlesex . ...... C. Hamond, Italian-warehouseman, Blacktriars.road.... 5 J. Hilton, grocer, Cumbetland-place, New.road ............ DIVIDEND. J. Head and Co., white-lead-manufacturer, Lawrence PoO t 's lll ney-lane The total number of electors for the CO for this year is 9,485, being an increase of 1,20511' the number of last year.— Worcester Herald. R GLASGOW AND KILMARNOCK NEW ,-- f) e ir —The Renfrewehire part of the new road was opa l ? the public on Monday week, and carriages are no TY upon it regularly. The length of this part of the 01;19 about nine miles. The levels of it have been wroog an accuracy not exceeded in any railway—and they carried on to the high summit of seven hundred feeg Il more gradual manner than in any turnpike road i fj i4 country. Where the nature of the ground required 117/, the curves have been made with mathematical preciV and with little exception does their radius exceed a Vi of a mile. The cuttings and embankments are f e ,V,.; siderable, but the heights have been calculated to P or, lows with less borrowing or spoil heaps than,a e A found in any other work of equal magnitude. I ';‘,:i of country abounds with materials for bottoming , we consider the most important part of roadmakini6 this part of the work is done in what is called " style," and is esteemed superior to what is called adamizing," or breaking all the stones to a small B ; s ,Oi ef this case the stones were blocked into a pyrami dal: ft; and close set by the band on their broadest bed, t bei i i broken smooth, and the crevice closely wedged-- - fo r r j forming a firm foundation and a complete drain f road ; over this there is laid a complete coating ° napped whinstone, which is got in abundance Yet i , ?'" to the road, and this has again been covered with I'd o f ling of small rotten rock, or dry earth, which ba g It' the whole to consolidate without breaking the al i ° 3 1 the whinstone by the rolling of carriage whee g ' O. cartage upon it by the contractors, who built ti? e de r6 (which are mostly stone walls) has been very cons' con t' and the state coaches are running over it with the e.— Glasgow Chronicle. UNION--HALL. Yesterday James Rae, a sergeant belonging to into the English market a large and increasing supply, that supply must keep down prices. To the English consumer this is, to a certain extent, an advantage. But the English agriculturist fights the Irish agriculturist with his hands tied. He must, as Mr. Scrope says, give those la bourers who are thrown idle by the Irish pro ducers one and sixpence a day. He cannot turn the labourers to the ditches to starve. They have a habitation in their respective parishes— they have a lien on all the land in every parish for their subsistence—they must be fed before any one else can be fed, and let the worst come to the worst, the lands—if cultivators cannot be found—must be abandoned to them. A land owner in Ireland may set fire to the cabins on his estate, though it were a whole barony, and call for the police and the troops of the nearest barracks to drive the wretched inhabitants from the grounds—consigning them to death by famine whenever he pleases. But the English inhabitants of a parish are joint proprietors with the owners of land. Their maintenance is a rent-charge on the land. They can claim a home and support—and the trembling farmers are but too well aware of their power to enforce it. Ownership of land without responsibility is a dreadful scourge, especially where there is a rich country adjoin ing that in which such a pestiferous state of things prevails, bound to support the owners. So long as that state of things prevails in Ire land, it is a mockery to talk of its civilization, because civilization supposes the growth of a middle class possessing capital. Our own civi lization is retarded by the influx of hordes of wretched creatures, who depress the labour market, because they must work on any terms. The importation of food from Ireland is so much ' more mischievous than the importation of food from Poland, or any other country equally bar barous with Ireland (if such country there be) in this—that Poland gives us no trouble with her serfs, whereas the spread of the wretched cultivator of Ireland increases with fearful rapidity the number of peasants whom Britain must coerce with an armed force, and increasing de tachments from whom fill our towns, and derange the labour market. The exasperation among the working classes in this island on account of this derangement is very great. The fires in East Kent had their origin in this source; and so great has been the intimidation in country places, that one gentle man in Kent, who had had an Irish gardener for some years, told us that lie was in constant terror lest he should suffer for it. The farmers gene rally agreed not to employ Irishmen. But in the towns the influx of Irish has been such, that in many places the Irish predominate. The consequences have been serious, and, indeed, threaten the destruction of our manufactures. We look with fear and apprehension to the tyranny of Trades' Unions in towns, and incen diarism in the country. believe, attributable to one cla'uh e y_ both, ns tinct w o e f self-preservation. The author of « Trad• • itionary Stories" has been blamed by - one of his critics the recruiting department, was summoned before the sitting Magistrate under the following circum strnces James Simmons, billetting constable of Bermond sey, stated that on Saturday last the defendant called on him with a precept from the office, re quiring him to provide quarters for thirty recruits in Bermondsey parish. He inquired the houses the landlords of which were disposed to pay out instead of having the men billetted upon them, and the inquiry excited the suspicion of witness, who asked him where the recruits were at the time; the reply was, that they were drawn up in the street outside Bermondsey churchyard. The con stable having made out the billets, gave them to the sergeant, who went away, and he was followed to the church, but instead of having the thirty re cruits drawn up there, as he had represented, it turned out that there were only three men present, and they joined him, and they all went off together in a direction towards Lam beth. Witness followed them into the Waterloo. road, and acting under the impression that the sergeant had committed an offence in obtaining billets for thirty recruits, when it was clear that he had only three with him, gave him into custody at that time. The witness subsequently ascertained that the defendant had been with some of the Defendant, in answer to the charge, said—l am an injured man; I have laid out upwards of 3,0001. on my premises, have a large family, and was doing well till this chapel was built. I am willing to appoint four gentlemen, and let the complainants appoint another four, and then see if they can't bring us to a reconciliation; or if Mr. Shepherd will meet me as a friend everything shall be made comfortable. The compensation I want is a mere trifle. It was then agreed that the matter should stand over till Tuesday next, Mr. RAWLINSON hoping that in the meantime the parties would be able to come to an arrangement. EXTRAORDINARY CASE.—Last night a fine tall young fellow, who gave his name George Belling ham Graham, was brought into this office by a ser geant of the Royal Horse Guards (Blue), for the purpose of being sworn in, in the usual manner, be fore the Magistrate as a private in the above regi ment. Mr. RAWLINSON—Pray, are you any relation to Sir Bellingham Graham, Bart. ? Recruit—Yes, I am his eldest son. Mr. RAWLINSON—And of course, then, you are heir to the Baronetcy ? Recruit—l am. Mr. RAWLINSON—What age are you ? Recruit— I shall be twenty in a few months. Mr. RAWLINSON—Have you ever been in the army before? Recruit—l have held a commission licensed victuallers in Bermondsey parish, and re ceived money in lieu of having the recruits biletted on them. He (the constable) had also been round to several of the public-houses in the parish, at none of which had any recruits been quartered, so that it was evident from that fact that the defendant had obtained the precept for so many recruits for the purpose of committing a fraud on the licensed vic tuallers of that part of the district. The defendant, in answer to the charge, handed in a list with the names of sixty-eight recruits, the precepts for billetting whom in the parishes of Ber mondsey and Rotherhithe lie had procured at this office on Saturday last. lie admitted having re ceived billets from the witness for thirty men, and on his return to Bermondsey Church he found that but few were present ; and he accounted for this by saying that the recruits scattered themselves about, and, instead of availing themselves of their billets, wenttopntuiaoantrtw.gi parish constable n o ierstt o ataali t diti l i i di e eett : hdii gap: that t r ie t iha s fveote o rn f et‘hvo t o h euhnr e ireecs t eh o w n . recruit vt o eh f ree his blol had me in t es (118;1'1 ti c ee e iTpr l e : th se le.icin d lobau ld tdi victuallers in attendance on whose houses billets were made out, but the recruits had not pre sewed themselves. The defendant might have committed an offence which would subject him to a military tribunal, namely, that of taking money in lieu of billetting' his recruits on certain publicans, but with respect to his having committed any other fault he had proof to the contrary. He then appealed to a Mr. Sigar, residing in Bermondsey, and asked him whether he had not left five billets at his house on Saturday, in the event of the recruits coming there for quarters for the night. The individual to whom the appeal was made answered in the offitinative, upon winch the 'uillet ting constable said that when Mr. Sigar was made acquainted with the circumstances be endeavoured to prevail on him (the billetting constable) not to proceed against the sergeant, saying, at the same time, that it would end in his discharge from the recruiting staff. Mr. 'NAIL, inquired if there was evidence to prove that the defendant had received money from a publican in lieu of having a recruit billetted on BIRTHS. the sth inst., at North. nd H, ~....- ;. ,ii V the it , _..-ent —louse, Hants, Major H. D. Campbell, of a daughter. On the Gth inst., at Craven-street, Mrs. John B3Orise, aV ~ On the sth inst., in Upper Harley-street, the lady of t f Green, Esq., of a daughter. e On the 6th inst., the lady of Robert Walter Carden' Hunter street, Brunswick-square, of a son. f 0 On the sth inst., the wife of John Shephard, sington-square, of a daughter, MARRIED. On the 31st ult., at Marchfield, Gloucestershire, y, Mirth, Esq., of Hill House, Hainbledon Hants, and tl i , e 4e/ Bulstrode-park, to Matilda, second daughter of the ,v'or Denison, Esq., M.P., of Ossington-park, Notts, and square. 0 , On the 6th i as Ensign, whichFliave given up. Mr. RAIVLINSON—This is a most extraordinary proceeding. Are your friends aware of the steps you are taking ? Recruit—They are, and are agree able. Colonel Hill, the deputy commander of the regiment into which I have now enlisted, was also apprised of it this morning. Mr. RAWLINSON—You are described in the affi davit as a yeoman. What do you mean by that ? Recruit—l at one time held a farm under my father. n , .nst., at Ippollitts, Lieut.-Colonel Si_ Coldstream Guards, to Jane Grace, second daughter . 0 , 1 Harvey Lovell, Esq., of Cole Park, Wilts, and Ippo_l2,l DIED. u 1 1 . 1fr P On the 31st ult., Commander Charles Bentham, l o y third son of the late Lieutenant-General Bentham, tillery. 6° l l/ On the Ist inst., at Holmbush, James Fox Broad f on the 3d inst., Alexander Alfred Broadwood, sons p'l4 Broadwood, Esq. ft ° oi On the 4th inst., at Esher, Surrey, John B. Abi a , 4s in his 70th year. ) 11' On the 24th ult., at her house, Upper Homertorh i? i Reece, aged 67. td V On the Ist inst., at St. Prix, in the valley of 'A'Allor in France, Alexander Wright, Esq., late of the p irif o , India Company's Bengal Civil Service, aged 67. On the Bth ult., suddenly, at Greenwich, Jarn eS c iCllr Esq. He was the author of Jennings's FamilY ah iop p y lh i Ornithologia, History of Cookery (on completing yit 4 lo, engaged at the time of his decease), and many othe'fill!f On the 15th ult., at Williamfield, near Ediio ° f 9 o r 86th year of his age, William Guoch, Esq., uncl e f` ' to Gooch. On the 30th ult., at Ventnor, Isle of Wight, th'ioly j yt' thope Sims, M.D., aged 38, only son of the late M.D., formerly of Wimpole-street, London. o O r a fer On the sth inst., in his 12 th year, George Sirr' °- o er C chain, Esq., of Newhouse, in the county of Wil ts ' f 0 1° 9 1 ' On widow of atLasb se ro j u o gh p , h L int yns h o ecounty Caroline, Montrath, Devonshire. u . e d ° o l'' On the Ist inst., at R a lf H ouse , Eltharn, .- n e ft year, Mildred Warn er , re li c t o f Willi am Wa r Hatton Garden Estate, Dominica. Mr. RAWLINSoN—I think you are acting with a deal of indiscretion. Where is your father ? Re cruit—He is at present in York. Mr. RAWLINSON (to the sergeant)—This is a strange affair. Is it usual for you to enlist a person in Mr. Graham's sphere of life as a private soldier? Sergeant—lt is certainly very unusual. Mr. RAWLINSON—WeII, the young man must certainly use his own discretion. The required form having bee❑ gone through, the sergeant, accompanied by his recruit, who described himself as a married man, then left the office. Q UEEN- S Q UARE. THE POLICE GAZETTE.—On Monday last a man named James Reeves, of Lambeth-square, New -cut, was apprehended for selling a publication called the Police Gazette, price twopence, which was un stamped, containing news contrary to the Act of Parliament, for which offence the defendant was sentenced by Mr. WHITE, the presiding Magistrate, to three months' imprisonment. Yesterday afternoon Mr. Clarkson, the barrister, s PRINTED ANDPWIL/PHED EY MU RDO " 11 . .6V14 OFFICE, 112, STROM AN tf t ,' OL. 1 4 % 10 's J / ~fi i ~j~~~ -~ i~~~ ~~