The Sun. — London, England, 1854-12-21 00:00:00

• ._ , __ . TIEIE SUN LONDON, THURSDAY EVENING DECEMBER 21 185 4. 3 _ - ImpERIAL PARLIAMENT as re a c h, or even more to our own interest ; bee rawer. ' Pone it until the country has had time to become ac- sent situation of affairs which nothing but the confidence i They bad 11,000 or 12,000 constabulary in Ireland, the the spirit of the People, and'of thatimoral elevation and I in your justice, your love to the people devoted to You, ' greater part of whom, from the altered condition of the strength of sentiment which, after all, were the great re- COUNTRY MARKET& ' theless, he naust say, that the mode in which the trade quainted with it. (Cheers.) could hinder from a_ karming their most serious apprehen- se. - ----e5... 4 ,--. with Russia was now carried on was attended with Sir W. VERNER, as an old officer of long experience, country, were engaged in fishing-they were trained source, the chief defence of nations. (Cheers.) In op sions. An army of foreign troops-a thing unprecedented, men, they were armed men, they were moral men, and posing it, then, he was simply discharging his duty as EDINBURGH MEAL MARKET-DEc. 19. SOUSE OF COMMONS-(YESTERDAY.) was persuaded that nething'hould be more unsatisfactory unheard ef, unknown-brought into England, causes but great inconvenience to British m . erc_han_ts, .for they not only had to pay an increased price for Russian produce alarm. They hope their fears may be removed as soon as • than the proposed employment of mercenary troops by an honour to tile country they served. (Hear, hear.) a member of the legislature ; for he could no t i mag ine Ther . a were in the ma . rket to-day, 16 sacks oatmeal, end& The SPHALIM took the chair at 12 o'clock. but their ships no longer visited . those ports which they this country. possible, and, in the meantime, that the sword of these If he were asked, eager as he was to secure the services that the Parliament of England had been called toge -0 at 01. Os Od, and 0 at 0/. Os. strictly blockaded an EPISCOPAL AND CAPITULAR ESTATES had been led to believe were , d the Mr. - OTWAY said that, having voted against the foreigners should not be intrusted a moment out of your own hand to any other person whatsoever." iof these men at home, yet he would vote that the greater ther merely to enregister the edicts of Ministers. (Hear, weighing 2801bs imperial, which sold thus :-16 at 24 3se : .........-,-. part of the constabulary should be sent to Malta or hear.) And ho hoped that every species of resistance MANAGEMENT BILL. trade was consequently carried on by neutral ships. He The Secretary of state for the War Department . , second reading of this bill, he wished to Age the reasons Gibraltar, which they could hold against the world. He would be offered to the measure: (Oh, ole and cheers.) The Marquis of BLANDFORD brought in this bill, thought he had a r i gh o t v i d t e o cal l e a t o e n r t a n d e va G n o t v a e g r e n s m t e o nt th to e why he opposed the measure. He shoild be sorry to (Hear.) said that the Queen might employany troops she pleased DEC. 19. w . outa consent that these men, if the Government would With regard to public opinion in Germany, he chal- EDINBURGH HAY AND STRAW MARKET 'Which was read a first time and ordered to be read a take swine stops to p • r h had gr impede the sending out of reinforcements to our gallant a to which the hon. entleman to make trial o ve them the p y y wore entitled, should lenged the right g f that British shipping whic been engaged in carrying out cf the country ; but, as Parliament had to pay g l tho market. The rices to-da were as follow :- mond time after the recess. army in the Crimea, but he believed that we had other Rasaian produce, or else render the blockade more effie • • countr and fi ht for the ood u f d •. n • if during the short recess about to ensue, quit the y g gca se. I aske , opinio , and , There was a large supply of straw of all descriptions in PUBLIC LIBRARIES AND MUSEUMS BILL. . t so that the entire benefit of the trade should not sources in important Parts in our own empire that could such troops Parliament practically was enabled to check he would vote that 30,000 of militia should be raised, the people of England applied their minds to the con- . h t d 56 1 t 76d • b 1 d -Odto 68 Ode tron ;w ea 0., s t o s , ar ey 0., as Mr. EWART bronght in this bill, which was read a men , . to th be thrown in e hands of others. (Hear.) He bad • • be made earlier available for affording help to that army such a proceeding. He was aware that if they could h that there was an overpowering necessity for it, it and he would tell the noble lord that th e recruits were sideration of the probable operation and effect of the Oat straw, from IP 6s 6d to 9s y od per kemple of 16 stones first time and ordered to be read a second time on Friday said that promptitude and Secrecy were very material .. than the means offered by this bill. He had seen, from s ow would net be necessary to adduce a precedent for a bill - more ready than . the M . inisters who were in want of them, bill, and did net, throughout the kingdom, wherever I Hay from 10d. to 12d ; new ditto, Od to Od per stone,. the newspap h ers that the Sheik and Ghoorka regiments aut. elements of success in war. In the present war this and, to give a single instance, the recruiting officer at honesty of purpose, true patriotism, sincere regerd for DA_LKEITH MEAL MARKET-DEC. 18. CONSOLIDATED FUND. country had ranged on One side free institutions, absolute in India, w 0 were especially adapted for this service, of this kind ; but what were the three acts of Parlia- Belfast enlisted 200 men in one day. They could have England, and a deep-feit sympathy for her stability and • position 1 The act of 1794 was a remarkable exampte r of 12s Od. ' 41s Ocl Ms 01 • On the raOtiOn for going into committee on the Con• freedom of debate in Parliament and out of doors, and were ready to volunteer for the Crimea. The East India ment which had been cited as justifying the present Do- Comnanv bta . d o me powers last session for largely in- . the jealous care with which their predecessors watched V ri the men and drilled them in time but the Govern- permanence among the nations of the world were to be , imperial , O B a a ,t x n i l e .e y a ni l , , e p ai e , r p s e :c ( l i c it o t f o 2801bs First. i Second. Thild- Solidated Fund, unrestricted freedom of the preis ; and, on the other -e - • t had not done their duty, and all ' . they now did was found-unite in its condemnation, he would never again creasing their force of Europeans, and he believed that D esent to Parliament this bill as a great and effectual ask permission to address that house whilst he had the ' Peasemeal, per ditto - s Od -s Od . Mr. HENLEY objected to going into committete haad, there were opposed to it despotic authority and , tuey were now car in those owers into effect. In. over the liberties of the country while aiding the Crown t° • r -s Od -s Od. -s 0,1 ' 'without notice. The object of the committee :reef+ . 0 centralised pOwer. What, then, were the advantages or telli ence had beerl Y rec g eived tat a treaty of eace had in its difficulties. The act of the 34th ef George 111., measure ; but b they gave no information as to whether honour of occupying a seat within its walls. (Cheers.) Flour, per ditto 33s Od. - s Od -s Ca enable the Chancellor of the Exchequer to deal w_ith . t he disadvantages of these opposite circumstances ? It was, g ht jocts of France to enlist as soldiers in regiments to serve they were to !:. tam men from Italy, Switzerland, Por- Mr. COBDEN said though he believed the historian Pot-barley, per ditto Savings Banks Funds, and herthought before thei t nea so ker_ indeed, true that great advantages were derived from been g entered into with the sovereign of .Burm p ah ; and, chap. 42, sec. 43, was entitled, "An act to enable sub tugal, or Spain. Had he not, th l en, d a right . to ask whe- would have to record the expedition to the Crimea as - India bein DeWitt a state of erfect tranquillity, we nei , our free institutions, and it was to the feeling of national ther these were neeasu . res m i en ate to strike terror to the rashest ever undertaken by this country-and that . , DUBLIN, DEC. 19, .. left the chair they ought to have some explana: i n . of obtain effe g ctive reinforcerneXts from that b f quarter e ore on the continent of Europe and in certain other places, pride and honour which animated our soldiers as well as dto enable his Majesty to grant • • ', . . the Emperor of Rassia-(hear, hear)-and to elevate was saying a great deal-still as we had sent an army ot The 3111)147 !O our corn market t9 -day was small,. easa the necessity for dealing with the subject at this period • the foreign troops to be raised under this bill could be an commissions, dec. ' the spirits of the people of E ng l an d ? In his opinion, 30,000 men from home we were bound to support that every description of grain met a brisk demand at Ingner of the session. officers that must be attributed those displays of brilliant organised and sent out to the seat of war. He li there could be no measure more calculated to depress the army. (Hear.) But he believed the army would not re- i rates. Wheat must be quoted Is, barley 6d to ls, and oats ment would be wit The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thou ht 'rah? ur, and . those instances of patient endurance .of pri- . . wise objected to the class of men contemplated by tkh " - Whereas, during the e i; and it recited that, present war between Great • - 4 , wait of the people of England, or to elevate the hopes gard it as a compliment that we wanted to send out to :3ii. to Gd dearer than on Friday. Indian corn and foreign the proaer time to make his state vations, which had excited the admiration of the world. heets are als . o held for an advance ; for the latter 25 more they got into committee. (Cheers.) But, on the other hand, as far as secrecy in fa . measure. Having had the good fortune to witness the Britai n a n d F h ra e n c e o e n , t i i t n m e li n t y o h f e E ex u p r e e d p i e e , n o t r t i o n r a t h i s e e d r o e rag i i m ni e o n n , t rit tilia ;e 3 r l ß ts , ty ; i v , t e c i .. e e v i s p. z s t: ojim ,f• the despotic tyrant than the present, which would their assistance, not their own countrymen, but mer- I''' has been obtained. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said the house could not he respect to military operations was concerned, no one of he m i any German regiments in the field, he convince him that, though we did not fail in heart and cenary Germans, The newspapers were careful to tell White wheat, 41s 61 to 44s Od ; red ditto, 38s to 42. 61 ; in a position to discuss fina.ncial matters without pre- t G m er a ni n o to underra l te rir h e . apabilities. courage, yet we did . in men. (" Hear, hear," and cheers.) us that the enthusiasm for the war throughout the would deny that this country was utterly debarred from effeculledrilcmys w e believed th: lions notice. that advantage. Not a regiment could be raised in this n troops, ed y t eir own offi tio'lLhgel7NlsvhleaostroingC3iiihtioarseistien Majesty as shall be willine to enlist fie looked upon this as one of the most impolitic and country was universal ; but the fact was proved to be barley, 16,5 6(1 to 21s Od ; oats, 15s Od to les 9d ; rapeseed, 2is Od to 28s Od per bit ; oatmeal, 163 ed to 174 Od ; bakers' Sir W. MOLESWORTH said all his right hon. friend country, not a supply of money could be asked for from cers, fighting under their own standard, and animated by ,_ i ; h ; ar ; teemstoves .n - , s eareesty's s'er v i c e ; a nd t o en ' a ble a c e r- inexpedient measures ever submitted to Parliament. otherwise by the large deficiency still existing in the 1 fl e n r , 23 3 Od. to 273 Od per cwt ; Ilatiau corn, 40s Od to 47s ed wan t e d was, to go into committee for the purpose of the traditions of their military history, would perforn i i tain number of them to serve and receive pay as officers The best defence he had heard of it was in another house number of men voted by Parliament. (Hear, he ) 480 lb ar• p er s. Parliament, not an expedition could be contemplated, . feats of valour second to none in the annals of the weld( . in such regiments, and as engineers, under restrictions : by one of the same character as those whe speak one The Secretary at War spoke of intercepting German ~..-........,................------.., making a statement. without the Emperor of Russia being immediately in- Mr. SPOONER insisted that there was no pressin But he bad no confidence in German emigrants. The Be it enacted, that it shall be lawful for such persons • d t th The a t- d th t • ' tl h ill' t f tl , way an vo e ano er. rgumen use was a emigrants passing iroug is coun ry or le COAL MARKET.-Dec. 20. g formed of it throu h the news a ers. He would anti 1 • • Secretary at War had told them that these emigrants who were subjects of his late Most Christian Majesty, "it is true that a great mistake had been committed by United States ; but this appeared to be a necessity for the statement. Besides, many members had left town under the impression that there would be to history in refere g nee to the 4-Ina of secrecy in carrying would be trained soldiers, but Prussia was the only Ger- as shall be willing to serve his Majesty to enlist as soldiers th M . *str but are we to punish the country for these most puerile argument, for it was notorious that the e ini ~y , Prices of Coal per ton at the close of the market. no financial statement before Christmas. on war. In 1805, Napoleon having postponed his in mirton:s itoffisllls,b:r lazfu e l n gr iee h r i s s , al i z i tj eLt i e y • rargt ra o a f t) tre Wallsend, &o. man State where every man was of necessity a soldier ; and to acc,pt commissions from his Majesty (which corn mistakes ? He had thought over this argumeet, and vast majority of those German emigra,nts were men ad- Sir F. BARING thought the right. hon. gentleman vasion of this country was reduced to a state of einac- s. dl s. as , and of his own knowledge he could state that in some of submitted that it was not fair to use it in matters of im- vanced in life, with their wives arid families, and fre- •1 14 s ought to have an opportunity of making his explanation tirity in his camp at Boulogne, when he was threatened • the minor principalities and small duchies this was not Be . portance ; but with regard to mistakes as to lint, rags, quently taking out with them their own clergyman and continent of Europe, or in the islands of Guernsey, &c., 20 0 H •t 1 l6 0 Eden Main y lB 1:1 now ; but the house should abstain fr • t om cormng oan by a new continental coalition of the most formidable Y character. Armed as he was at ;di points, he was never- the case ; so that we reall could not have that secu or an any Part of the dominions of his late Most Christian and mat . ters of detail, there was no man of generous their own doctor ; and wore those the men likely to go Hasting's Hartley l7 6 Hetton 2l 6 resolution upon it at present. rit as to the qualit of the ' s° men that had been held Majesty. Provided that no such fficer or soldier shall be feeling in or out of the house, whb would on these out to Sebastopol 2 (Flear hear ) There was no i Efgtley l7 6 Riddell 19 9 ' The house then went into committee. theless placed at that moment in a situation of great cm? ' to us. It was Y quite true that foreign troops had enabled b this act ' ° • ' . . ' • ' ich y to servo as an officer, or engineer, or grounds complain of the Secretary at War ; but when country in the world, except the United States, in wh C B h u i d lt d o i n e W. a F ll i a •a s ui w w el e i llgate 22 0 difficulty. It was only by the greatest accuracy of com• Di ether on *th our army in the last war but it should soldier in any place 21 3 The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the y, a bin t . aied b the most an enetrable secrec th t a ion, ai .y . . i . p served wi , except en the continent of Europe, or men we() were appointed to great offices-men who it would be so difficultito establish a footing as in ere • be remembered that among those foreign troops . th .in any of tha islands of Guernsey, &c., or in any part of aspired to be peculiarly the statesmen of the age-men Russia. He had said at a public meeting in 1849, that Longridge's Wst Har Ho_ward's . West Hartle tley 18 O'South Hetton 18 O'P 1 l9 6 ex P l azultioa he had to make would not be a financ• I ia he succeeded in extricating himself from this difficult was only one regiment which did not sympathiseVitha +he dominions of his late Most Christian Majesty. Pro- 21 0 , who gave directions as to the affairs of this country, if Russia were to attack England or the United States, Taufield Moor l7 3 Russell's Hatton statement • ~ in the ordinary acciptation ot the term, ae- position ; and in these two points-unity of will and se- • h h d H 11 dd t 'd d f rth th t " the cause in wic we were engage . ea u e o vi e u er, a, in case it shall be deemed necessary or 21 6 _ and who could influence empires and the destinies of na- or any other large maritime power, she would be crum- Tanfield. Moor Butes 17 3 Stewart's Ravensworth Hartley ... , ens ier Cause tlie resolution he had to propose in no way related creep of design-we had another Napoleon to contend I the Greek regiment • arid what was its conduct ? expedient to bring any such troops as aforesaid to any part . 18 6 tions-when they made great mistakes he asked the pi e d up i n h er o wn dreary dominions ; and had that Walker Primrose .........16 C Whitwell to taxes-the subject of taxes in the ways and means of lace in Great Britain fth f d 21 0 t ) with in the Czar Nicholas. It was right and proper that I Being or a purpose o ren ezvous, or house if they were competent for the o . ffices they filled! not occurred I (Hear hear.) Had not the navy of Wylaia , 9 t, Hartlepool ae year. It referred exclusively to a matter of adrui- the country should see the distinctioa of circumstances stationed at M'alta, it revolted and seized pos- or . p . session of one ef the forts, from which it cost us a with a view to operations abroad, and it shall be deemed necessagor . expedient to land such troops in any part of (Cheers.) ' fleugh Hall . 20 0, etislzative arrangement, and his object in proposing the which existed in this respect between the two contending If these mistakes only affected themselves Russia been rendered' perfectly useless by the navies great deal of troulele to dislodge it. If the Government Wellsend, etc. South Kelloe 20 u ammlution was simply to enable him to print the mea- parties. Ultimately, he believed, civilisation and free had declared it to be their intention to form a Polish Great ritain for health or exercise, it shall be lawful so to it would be of little importance but where these rale- of England and France • but to ettack Russia on land 19 6 \ fees 2l 6 'sure of the Government with the view of its being con- institutions would triumph against barbarism ; but 1 • . h . emon wit its own officers, he would gladly have sup- do. Provided that such troops so landed shall not be takes were vital and fundamental, and calculated to required something more than we ever yet dreamed of. 801 l and Brown 18 01Whitworth le 0 sidered during the recess. The resolution would form the people of this' country expected that every ported them. If we landed a body of Poles to-morrow • marched ato the - el' th fi b'n ruin on the countr then such a defence as the He should not now enter further int th al ues country to any istance greats! an ve re g Acorn Close o e gener q _ Gosforth lB 6rowpen 18 0 the foundation of a bill intended to remove the objections effort would be used to bring the war to a speedy termi- l I th d • d Y' •11 • l 1 ' • • l ar o i g e s s och )m troop e s se s a h c a o l a l st w . it P h r i o n vi l d i ed da a y ls s o t o h f at s o n o o h t i i c a e n o d f i n l a o. n b d e • one he ha mentione was most i ogica , and tie se- tion of the war ; but on the bringing up of the report he nediey lB 6 Derwentwater Hartley. 18 0 in the Crimea, with their own officers, he believed that vereet condemnation of the Ministry. (Opposition should take leave to offer some general remarks on the es er a min e er i an d lB t which hitherto had been taken to the existing law nation. The couetry, he thought, would not recognise great numbers would desert from the Russians, and a given to both Houses of Parliament, if Parliament ;hall cheers.) They were about to support this bill, but prospects of the war, and more particularly with reeard .....-..---------------. relating to Savings Banks funds. The subject o • f any such tendency in this bill-it was opposed to the reat moral effect would be produced from which this then be assembled ; and, if not, within 14 days after the - there were two owers that influenced the Government to the proposals which the noble tord stated on the pre- Saaings Banks divided itself into two branches • the general sense of the community, and, believing that he g country would derive mu h benefit. He understood then next meeting of Parliament. Provided also, that _RAILWAY TRAFFIC RETURNS. first was the custody of the moneys, and the se- spoke the sentiments of his constituents and of the hall be at any one time within this kinedom a . . . -the one a Parliamentary majority, and the other pub- ceding night had been made, at Vienna, by the Emperor en w ______. a ---_. ' • lic opinion. (Hear, hear.) To that public opinion, in of Russia. He should do so because he thought the ,„, cond the guarantee to be afforded to the deposi- nation at large, he should give the measure his strenuous that a letter had be eaten containing an offer from there never s Polish prisoners that were detained in our ports certain ' • greater number of persons who shall have been enlisted tors. The bill he had now in . view would opposition. under the authority of this act than 5 000 men." to enlist in our service as soldiers and sailors to oppose ' the shape of, not an ignorant and absurd people, but house, ca,lled together as it had been, should not separate week ending Dec. 10, 18e4 223,619 4 4, of the great people of England, expressed after thought, without, if possible, eliciting the opinions of the Govern- 18,455 51 0 relate to the first of these branches, but it would be his hear.) The second act which had beeen re e ferr d Correspondine week last year Mr RICH said that, though he had voted the night our enemy, instead of remaining inactive and a burden (Heart duty after the recess to bring in a second bill for the ~. e • . tof the bill he wished to guard him- upon the people of this countrY• If this sterY were true to as a precedent was the 44th of George 111., chap. 75, , . reflection and consideration-to that opinion the Go- ment, and, at 11 a events, of expressing their own opi- e tiREAT . NORTHERN 132,1LWAY.-Traffic return for the' .uANCASHIRE AND YORKSHIRE RAILWAY.-Traffic re purpose of strengthening the guarantees which deposi- peters . in supper vernment must bow, for by it alone the Ministry nions, otherwise the house would, in his mind, be in dan• turn for the week ending Dec. 17, 18541 218,393 1 9 tors already possess giving them increased facilities for self against being suppred to ' have voted in favour of it showed what was the spirit of the Poles, and how w; which recited :- existed and the Parliament stood. That opinion was ger of losing its character for independence as the great enforcing their riglets, and regulating the internal the employment of foreign troops as mere mercenaries. might make them of use in this war. He was convinced " Whereas it hath been deemed expedient by his Ma- against the Government. (Opposition cheers.) That council of the nation. And if. other hon. members re- e for o der ot prepared to admit that the Ger- that the great question at issue in this contest would jesty, in rto provide in the epeediest manner for the • CHESTER AND HOLY HEA.D RAILWAY.-Traffic realm management of Savings Banks. At present the law (Hear-) Ho was n i y instinct-t le ins inc o ceive e same cetninunica, ions from the camp a,s he inion was a ainst the 1)11 b' - I•t . t f dth • t,' 24,390 13 1 en s poken of as likely to enter our ser- never be solved until the cause of p o i a nd wa s b roug ht better defence end greater security of the - United Kingdom the neek ending Dec. 17, JB'sl Corresponding week last year 11,041 10 a affecting Savings Banks deposits was exceedingly mans who had be h 3,861 12 11 vice-those Germaas, .e f meant, who, having obtained before that house and with that subject he was sure the in the present important juncture of affairs, to permit cer- c t ) ,1 1 1 ) e English le g ation had guided them in this, for they (Mr. C.) did, be thought that a greater act of kindness ------. complicated ; Government were only responsible for th • t •ri foreigners now in Great Britain to enlist as soldiers had not had time to consider its provisions. (Hear.) could not be done to the army than to procure a discus- 1 elsorresponding week last yeae letters of denaturalisation rom err own Sovereigns, Government would have sooner or later to deal But he a l the sums which absolutely reached their hands, • o er here with a view of emigrating to Canada, wished to ask where these forei n troo s were . to be sta- Increase in 1854 into his Majesty's service, and, for the better disciplining Conscious of the character of the measure, the Govern- sion. At all events, and under any circumstances, the while they were bound to insert it in a parti claumi!etralioyat, or the United States-wherever in fact, the tioned ? Were they to . he billeted g on the p inhabitants of this s uch soldiers to form them into regiments, and to grant (Dent had not allowed them to do so. By stealth it had army would have the satisfaction of knowing that the cular security, and an erroneous impression had gone id for the least ld 'le d y meney-wou ma e goo and country or stationed in our dockyards 1 Supposing them com missions , to certain foreign officersacquainted with their been introduced and hurried through the other house, representatives of the English people did not meet and wee k ending Dec. 1 , 1854 manners and language ; and it was provided that there in which all the logic, elo d • t •th tth ' tt t• h f b •d C link 1 t quence, an reason Was on separa ewi ou eir aen ion av og een occupie orrespont g wee as year i1238 3 9 195 19 11 abroad that the interests of the depositor were seriously c 11- - g ld' it efficient so iers-(hear, hear)-and couplina this with not to be encamped but to be sent to our str n laces rbe i the kingdom " P o gl 3 , should neve more than 10,000 men n . one side. (Hear, hear.) It was then introduced here, with the state of unparalleled misery which that army CORK AND BANDON RAILWAY.-Traffic return for the affected by the fluctuations of the public securities. the language held last night by the Secrerary at War to Portsmouth Plymouth, Sheerness, or Chatham, would Th e remaining act was the 54th of George 111. ; and was no such thing ; but still the depositor had the right atid the noble lord the member for Tiverton, he was in- not such a ste;) be attended with danger ? Look at the he defied the Secretary at War to show that it autho. and hon. gentlemen had voted in its favour, as was was now enduring in the Crimea. (Hear, hear.) SEA B ORNE MAILS. their right. Ile would not presume to question that Lord J. RUSSELL said wheaever the hon. member to demand that the law relating to his security should mined to think that the views of the Government were class of men of whom they were speaking 1 They had rised the Government to bring into this country foreign s a . --- be simple and explicit, and that was the main o j ' b'ect of not confined to such men as these, but that they had in no feeling or enthusiasm in the cause, but came here, t ro ops to be drilled and instructed, and kept here as right-he would net presume - to question the sincerity brought forward that question the Government would (N signifies that the mails are sent from the General rOStmsfilC• • ould this resolution. The bill to be founded upon it w . of those hon. gentlemen ; but many of them had, he be prepared to discuss it with him. In the meantime . _ require the National Debt Commissioners to publish . . contemplation some means which they did not reveal of as the bon. member for Surrey had said, to under- long as the Government thought fit before being sent y-(hear, hear -an t e o- e was astonis e t a a on. mem er an severe believed, voted reluctant] ) dh G h •hd htth h b d I once a year a s , tatement of their liabilities on account obtaining valuable and efficient troops, animated by the take to murder for a shilling par day. Now, with the abroad, and then to have their places supplied by others. vernment might thus carry the bill, but they could not other hon. members should make such a misrepreeen- by the uight and Mby the morning--despatcli.) Day when ma.le up From wi at Wheu of Savings Banks depositors, and certain other provisions same spirit of resistance to the ambitious designs of numerous Russian agents that were in this country and The a ct of 1813 gave no power whatever to drill these . in General Post- Port due io of an important character. The resolution he had to move Russia as were the troops of France and England. He at the Courts of all the petty German princes, nothing troops in England. Well, all these references showed carry with them the convictions of the country. (Cheers.) tation as that the only assistance Government proposed Office, London.* DisDatche,.. hin_ • , t ad. How could the Government then hope to carry on this to send out to the army in the Crimea was a foreign ....-J-- - ----• was this, viz. : That it is expedient to create a charge on had, therefore, supported the measure as one of trust could be easier than for these Russian agents to get 20 th a t there was no precedent far this nieasure in the war, unless supported by the enthusiasm and the union legion, whereas it was well known that in the last COUNTRIES% - - . the Consolidated Fund of the United Kingdom of Great and confidence in the Government, but if he found that or 30 of these men for a certain sum of moaey, and past legislation of Parliament. Was there any sure of an unconquerable people, and in what condition would three months they had aent out 11,500 men. ' ea b Brit ac”N l , :very Friday .. • Liverpool ...lEaCk .7. 0 I. l nte c r ic c l t b Y United Sts. Britain and Ireland, in respect of the sums due to it turned out to be an expedient for raising a mere mer- send them over to England as emigrants to enlist in the p or t for it, then, in the principles of the constitution ? they stand without such support ? Never was there (Hear, hear.) He regretted that everY atteluPt m pac i tKej Y .-- :...iclNov. 14.... .... Liverpool ... JAIL 3 Savings Banks and Friendly Societies, and ao provide cenary force, he should be no longer willing to extend proposed mercenary legion. And what would be the Th e profound, sagacious, and patriotic men who settlee a Ministry which had held office .or made war had been made to degrade the character of men uncrica (by IT States ,_ 3,- Noy. 22.... ~..... Southampton for the payment of interest thereon to the Com- to them that support. He was a.ware that in the com- result ? Why they may do irreparable damage in our under such favourable circumstances. They had their who might with every sense of honour be prepared P.;eice li t ) i•j"• •• - missioners of the National Debt at three per centum the principles of the constitution always contended for mencement of a war mistakes must occur, but he could dockyards and irsenals. , (Hear, hear.) This, there• the great end fundamental maxim that the army should treasury filled with money, England prosperous, Scot- to enlist in our service. (Hear, hear.) He would not "2„ t ii r p a t :e 3 e ) ‘.: - . 3 . .. B :f i L t jci Jan, 4 ...•• ...• .• Southampton Feb. 7 4, 9, 24, & 30 of in. Dover ...... per annum, and also to make provision out of the not shut his eyes to the fact that more mistakes had oc- fore, was a point worthy of attention, and the house con sist of the same body as the people, that they might laud wealthy, and Ireland, what he believed it had enter more fully into the question now, but would only Ditto (via Marseilles) N 'Jan 9 said Consolidated Fend, or by Exchequer Bills or curred on this occasion than were absolutely necessary should require information from the Government upon have the same spirit as animated the people. Mr• Grey never before been for centuries, profoundly tranquil, repea,t what he said last night, that thia bill was only Ditto (via Cape of Goodi ..N,Dee. 4 ..... •• ..•• ... Uncertain or indeed defensible. One source of difficulty be saw, it. It was impossible to separate thee measure from,the and every eminent authority among the Whigs, when both Protestant and Catholic agreeing to unite in the the first of a series of measures which the Government ..t ,Y j o e p a e ( ) ,, v 7; '&113 J .; flirt of tile month .. Plymouth .. Exchequer Bonds, for any difference which may now or hereafter exist between the assets in the hands of the which he thought might be easily removed. In the con- conduct of the war hitherto. He admitted that We ‘ the . Whigs had a party, invariably taught-though the good cause against the common enemy. They had the intended to bring in for the prosecution of the war ; Alexandria ........ :. N Commissioners for the Reduction of the National Debt duct of the war it was essential, he thought, that that could not expect to enter into a great war with a peee. S e er „tery at War might deride their s teaching -that in respect Of savings banks and friendly societies, and portion of the members of the Government who had the establishment without making many mistakes of detail, se k le enything unprecedented was attempted, however tnost favourable assurances from every part of their vast and he was sure that when the pe o iee o f E ng l an d Ai c xarieria..........xli ith & 20th of mo'•• "out hampton empire. Yet, though aided by all this, and with all became aware of the true scope of those measure 3 . Daily the liabilities thereon ; and also for the interest on such largest portion of support in the house and in the coun- but he could not refrain from neticing the want of ordi- sn e a ll,,it must be watched and resisted at the outset, these resources at their command, the best thing that the they would perceive how much they had been misled by l i';=,.;;;;;;::::..ae9th of the ';:iiCaith.. 3 .•uthatup . ,,,n Dec. 16 Bahamas .............ANillll7Ciye.f tb . e mont . b . =imp ton Exchequer Bills or Exchequer Bonds. The second bill try should, while they were responsible for the conduct nary precaution shown by eome departments of the pnb- l es t it should be drawn into a precedent for innoratiens uoited wisdom of a Coalition Cabinet could devise was the speeche3 of hon. members v;ho opposed this bill. Buenos Ayres ........ m ,9th ol the month.. Southain,. f , n _ is : would relate to the management of savings banks and of the war, have more power of action in carrying it on. lie service. At this time last year Ministers must have o f a l ar ger and more dangerous character. But another this bill, by means of which they were to go begging (Hear, bear.) Cape of Good Hone ...IN Various ports Uncerw the rights and securities of depositors. He did not know whether it were accidental or not, but known that there was every probability of a war with throughout Europe- perhapa to the King of Bavaria- Lord C. HAMILTON complained that the Govern- aI 2 (&;,,: g G V7r d ell io . p . e .. III: Oth of the month Southasoptor, Mr. DISRAELI thought the proposal of the Chan- it so happened, that every member of the Government Russia. Hurried attempts were being made at our great English writer pointed out the true source of the greatness of empires, and drew the following distinction for soldiers ; and the chief ground for this was alleged ment had called hon. members at this unusual season Ceylon (see India) t • calor of the Exchequer was reasonable enough ;it was who was in any way connected with the departmental dockyards to fit out our fleets for service ; and when between mercenary forces and the true support of a to be the enthusiasm of Germany. (Opposition cheers.) of the year from all parts of the united empire to deli- C eylon .. .. .. ..., .... N Mon ,Wed.,&Frit ,S. h pt ra.Thial impossible that the house could be in a position to administration of the war belonged to a party of great hon. members asked why a partiuular class of vessels The Secretary at War had said that there were a great berate on measures affecting the war, and when they h tlf i lllei I s les •• •• •••••••;:.; lel Pc . l7th of montl Se w u t th a arnp t ° o n ii ' consider the measure of the Government until they had country-Lord Bacon : and he hoped there was a copy ability, industry, and integrity, no doubt, but who cer- was not sent to a particular quarter, the answer of the o f hi s wr itings in the War-office. (A laugh.) Lord many hungry people in Germany, and he (Mr. White- had assembled to find such a measure as this bill China (see . I . n . ji . aj . ! * the measure itself before them. Now, the bill could tainly did not possess a very large bedy of supporters in First Lord of the Admiralty was, that wo had not the side) believed it-(a laugh)-who wished to quit their proposed to thein to enlist the services of a, foreign c onstantinople ......N itt,13, , 15,23,&28 of m Dover ...... not be introduced according to the forms of the house that house, and a still less following, perhaps, out of it. men nor the gun-boats that were required. Well, but " Therefore, let any Prince or State think soberly of his country, and these men would become so denationalised legion. (Hear, hear.) He would place no reliance Constantinople ......„,lth 20th of mon. Southampton without a preliminary resolution, and he therefore This was quite opposed to a determinate system of at that particular conjuncture, 12 months ago, when forces, except his militia of natives be good and valiant Bacon said that, having once enlisted them, this country would have on the enthusiasm of Germany in this cause, of which the t; o r e t. Europe M& N , Twice daily ...... Dover ...... TWieedislir E,3, pt o ( f see India) - I thought they ought to agree to it pro forma action, and he did not think it was at all for the inte- preparations were so urgent, we actually turned our soldiers; and let Princes, on the other side, that have sub to keep them for all time. But that on which the Go- Secretary at War spoke so confidently ; and be believed Fia;ice - ........ 31 & I:lT:vice daily-- - Dover ...... Twicedef rest ot the countr that a ler e bod of men of reat nves ls tf d k d dmitted two Russian jects of martial disposition know their own strength, lhae• HENLEY hoped the eff tof the tw . o bills would . . .5' g a g ow . ecouooc an a . un- 31 \4, 7,17, 20, 27 of en. Snithampton Deo. 20 be to preeient. the te.mperi n o ee h 1 th be otherwise wanting to themselves. As for vernment mostly relied was the enthusiastic spirit of the public opinion and enthusiasm of th:s country had I di ) with savings banks a - • tx 01 . : ii e part of the State m o mat experience and energy of action should be alto- ships, which were there armed and sent to sea. This ess eY . . • . thG 1 d th• h t d th ttb f 1 ttd mercenary forces (which is the help in this case), all exam- e erman peop e, an on eir ear an sympa y no ye een air yes e . . Greece (see n a ,„ ytown .......„ ..m,2ed& 17th of mon. Southampton entre& lionld not object to ether shut out from a share in the conduct of the war. was surely bad enough, but what followed he should h t h t Et t P • dth t bein with this countr He liked s m athetic friends Mr DANBY SEYMOUR said he should not be doing 't - Asmbur , li ........ -NlTuesday & Frids3 London ..... the passing of the resolution, but it: ISt tbe pies show ta, w a soever .sa e or rine? o res g . .Y. .y I) I . • . , . , i a , i, , 0 2 ,, d of ne understood LLe hoped, therefore, just as there had been changes in think must have caused some remorse to the First Lo d the montr Southern :kin Dee, le that it did not bind the house to the principle ot tbe the composition of the Miniatry last session, that, with- of the AA • • , 7 action of the home, they would see, before the the harbour of Petropaulovski, in the unfort t miralty. The Aurora having taken refuge in • r upon them, he may spread Gibraltar .. his feathers for a time, but he but he liked to see that sympathy evinced, not by words, his duty If, by his vote, he prevented the sending of a ..avann ........ -• , . • . .p .. Holland ...• • • - - -MI Daily.... • • .. Dover -..... Daiir mi ,9 4 : lll: : : s ? th tl: ofe o m f n m :::: : th n t . 1, D e i. Government measure. - out an ' '- reassembling et 'Partial...at, acme change made is the tiorx which took place there a short time ago he found ' r ' but by actions. (Cheers.) He liked to have such friends single .man to the Crinaea ; for he considered that our itondura , fair H. WILLOUGHBY questioned the policy-sof re- una eac Hear hear ) What was the lesson taught by the ex- as our allies ot France, because he understoed that army was in a critical situation, mainly owiug to the in- fudia (viaSouthampt ) - rill mew them soon after." ducing the interest on Sarings Banks deposits. present distribution of office, which wooia impart a portion of ou; navy was dens by that, -.....-y nuo.aa,n, %lily. wisaela we allowea_to that the damage done to a ' arnples ot the great States of old I wh en M ar i us en . e lliance-it was an alliance of a courageous and chival- efficiency of the Government. (Hear, hear.) He, in India (via Marseil . l . es . ) . M m , , The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said greater energy to the carrying on of the war. \ eited , the rah . 2ll; and . for ot th a.t . •r . g ..... e , n I T zit Ala of the peo- roux people, given on disinterested principles, to en tyrann; throughOuZ thelVolk .o w s i Lo t l , : c r a e s se: e ut t e o th i lwu , moti;st o _r...despotic tyrant. able common with rnost other members, was opposed to this f r e e n i e: n n d esle . s . (:ee . An ( e, ,t2a i, i i7 iw i i 7 e & 27 of mon Doi. er.. .... daily ...... lloiyhead ~. Twieedati the interest payable to Savings Banks depositors wee Mr. DRUMMOND-I think, perhaps, it is an act of escape from our hands in the way-he had stated. Toundation of military But bill. (He:,e, hear.) While we were besieging, or rather Lisbon.. .......... -al7, 9, 17, &270 f m. Southampton D6C. 15 Hear hear ) The right hon. member for Buckineh am- aynapethy ef the Gee- not besieging, Sebastopol, what were the 54 ships of war vadeira . . not in any way affected by this resolution. charity for some person te rise and protect the Govern- Ile said, then, that such a measure as this was degrad- man people'? Ile wondered that the right hon. gentleman d o i ng I N o t employed in cannonading the batteries of s iadeira ... .....; •; .. /,‘ 123 d of month • • ..ILiver Pt° 6 ( . 'f• d 1 • T dal E l. 1 d shire re erre ast night to hucy ies t but •ng an I pool ... pee. 1 terd J. RUSSELL deprecated discussion until the ment from thcir own supporters-(laughter)-for reaily, ino to England and destructive of the political charac- ' could muster gravity sufficient to enable him to advance Sebastopol, but idling about Balaklava. (Hear '''' ira ( ' eelndu;) - I had produced a historian not /second to that classic * , hear.) , ' - , till was before the house. sir, no bomb that ever arrived at Sebastopol eau bare • - • • . ter of those who prepeunded it. This was not the I such an argument. He (Mr. Whiteside) had read their The ports of the Black Sea-Taoanroe for instan e 'fait,: ........... „ ..N ,8, 18, & 25 of men. Dover ...... Dee. 2 ) • writer whose natne wail immortalised b his histor of the ce- Mauritnts (see India) 1 The resolution was then ag•reed to, and, the house made a greater explosion than this shot frcm behind, Y . Y case of Portugal fighting for Portugal-of Spain blue books and diplomatic despatches, but could not dis- were furnishing Russia with all the elements of war. Nfaurltis .. ''f .. „ „...N, 4th of the month e 1 a ' d erne nd fall of a great empire. Some of the pages heving resumed, leave was given to bring in a bill informing her Majesty's Government that upon this fighting for Spain-of the emigrant French fighting corer this enthusiasm on the part of Germany ; and how And further, he was informed that the Greeks were M ,,, e1 „ 1 T, "" ..... ...31 2nd of the month.. southampten Dec. 1 6 • of that philosophic writer he would commend to the at- ~ a ,Othlsth2btholmor.. Dover ...... founded on it. vital question of the war, every single department in it, . roc France-of the Swiss fighting for Switzerland ; but could the petty States dare to show it, knowing that monopolising the Ruseian trade, to the •1 . f - -Le- - - **- - - • t 's Ministers and more es email tention of her Majes y . , p y pre . ) 11 , Ice 0- New Granada 31 ,2d & qui of ior!onth Southampton ___ erio ENLISTMENT OF FOREIGNERS BILL. from the Ordnance to the Commander-in-Chief, is in the it was the mendicant policy of a Minister who set out Russia would crush them instantly, and most probably British merchants, who put faith in the faithless New Zealand .. " - .......... By private ship .. Various por Urns those in which, speaking of the statesmen who by their On the motion for goine into committee on this bel hands of that part of the Ministry in which it ought not . 11 . . 1. pusi animi et accelerated the fall of the Roman Empire, eor the continent to beg troops wherever they could be hang those whom this 'Government might send out to declaration of Government that a, blockade would be Papal States „ ......i , 4sthlsth2sthofmon. Dover ...... ' ' ' be (Hear hew. and lauehter ) Mr. NEWDEGA.TE asked whether any steps had '") • ,• , o • found, and to pay them for cutting the throats of the them ? The right hon. gentleman subsequently spoke of established in the Black Sea. (Hear, hear.) The hon Peninsula ...,, .74 i 7 thl7th27thofmen. Southampton he said that crafty Ministers substituted temporary ex- Peru .............. M 12d & 27th of mon. Southampton been taken for bringing British troops from India to be Mr. RICH said, he made no such observation. men who were to be opposed to them. (Hear, hear.) the confidence placed in the treaty with Austria, which gentleman then went at length into the means of Port Natal ..........N By private ship... Various ports UnCerta iff pedients for salutary counsels. He could not but view When asked why he did not send out mor t t b d d t nds and had received with acla- Ru • d tdd th h • ' '•, - s h 25 h f - Is 5t..1115.t. . t o ruon, Diner ...... used for the pnrposes of the war ? Mr. DRUMMOND-Well, well, sir-her Majesty's h e roops o every oy un ers a , sae, an con en e at er resources were failing. siees' •- -•••••• •• • • t e present bill as a mere temporary expedient. Why the Crimea, the Secretar Tuscany ............N sthlsth2s tholmon. Dover -- .. . Lord J. RUSSELL declined to enter into any ex- Government have got the numbers on their side, and yat War answered that they mation. Prussia, hostated, had ceased to be equivo- It had been said b a reat French writer tl y g iat were the Government uot prepared to mention the name must first get recruits, and next th tth d • •B .. fd t dtht ll t Vene.,' , uela • planatian of what the Government had done or intended they are wise enough to care very little about the a ey must rill eating, :mem was our con e era e, an a a were a grea war was a war of budeets-a war to see who van DiernelfaLand( * eei ar" of Poland and to rally round them those who were them, which required several months. But if the Go- ready for a consideration, to raise and aid us to fight could hold out the lon est and tri b t t • 1 Australl ) to de, for collecting troops. gurnents. I was exceedingly sorry, sir, to vote as I e es way o cripp e r _ ~ _ ...a .... . : .1 d t '• t • th 1 ? Wh dal th rea y • ems in e strugg e . y i ey not call is ', d & 17th o 1 m tb IS thampterlDee. "gr. H. LIDDELL said, he had hitherto abstained did last night. I think her Majesty's Ministers have vernment knew that it would take all this time to train our cOmmon enemy. The people of this country would, Russia was to d g ' estroy her commerce. The house, per- " c l'' " (n es •• •• • • ••A on i oi__L_____ ....e , upon men above 30 . years of age, and tell them of th irom addressing the house on the important question done themselves wrong. The fact is that the count these recruits, why did it come to the extraordinary however, decide whether a more important measure than haps, was not aware that all the munitions of \star ry need for their exertions I Let them raise the bonnt if iarolved in the present bill, because he was anxious that look upon this bill as very much like what they • y conclusion that war was to be declared with a great the present bad ever been submitted to a deliberative the powder, the cannon balls-all came down the Don When any of these dates fall ol a Sunday, the mails will 1 4 6 ,,f; that were necesisary, and offer every inducement to the •litary power like Russia befo to • s s patched on the following day, with the exception ot the Ind , ~,,, re we were prepared to assembly, and would regard it as such if it were possible and the Volga, to the sea of Azoff, and were conveyed as little delay as possible should be interposed before the call at Newmarket a " dark horse." (Laughter.) countr f d dfi hall • b ttl dth mi • yto come orwar an g eir a es, an en, meet it I Let the house mark the dates Th G d t raise men in the petty German States and to find such b land to Sebast 1 TI outhampton),tmd the Malta, both of which will be despatched ''' e uar s o esi y . . opo . ie Ru, ans had fortified the preceding dam • house came to a decision with respect to it. But since There is a suspicion, sir, that all is not fair and proper no doubt, we should win other victories equal to (for tt M lta •F b ' Id D I 1d h It had been ere sen o a in e ruary, and war was declared a man ae Duga a getty to ea t ens. place for embarking their stores, and this place was not that decision had now been arrived at, and since much ab t 1 (Opposition cheers ou i . .) I have heard insinea- it was impossible to surpass) those of Alma and In- - amen d the Militia Bill for Ireland on the llth of q w or at least meant to be declared o h • h th . b f p r e 26th of said, now t at is measure was e ore ar lament, that more than 25 miles from Eupatoria one of the finest Fr IND AND WEIMER REPORT. time was not likely to be spent on the details of the tions-some were made last night by the hon. gentle- k man which would lead to an honourable and lasting March. Well, what course did com - mo n n t none but mistaken and wrong-headed men would write ports in the Black Sea. What would have been eas' measure, he now felt it his duty, as the representative of man who moved the amendment, but I will not repe. t er ' H sense-not ier a peace. ( ear, hear.) ay s tatesmanship-then dicate ? T sa t mercenaries. He had the honour of the ac- than for a portion of our magnificent fleet to ha uaintance of Sir W. Napier, and of many distinguished chored at Theodosia, and from that pl w ac h e o c s u p t ok o v ff e e one of the moat important towns in the kingdom, to them, for I really do not know and, indeed, I can't • " M WHITESIDE said that he had listened with to s .. ..... . .. e . . hey only sought agains to h a l Sheffield 9O WEDAEIMIY, Dec. - • make some observations with respect to the measure. know whether they are well founded or not ; but of this - r. Why did they he some . attention to the speech of the honourable mem- August. not embody th e English mi officers in the Crimea-there could be no mistake about supplies Russia received from her fortified fort? Wh t stations. Course of Wind. State of weather. He had seldom heard a speech less conclusive than that lam certain, from the language used to myself by every ber for . Richmond (Mr. Rich), who belonged to that litia before they declared war ? Why did they not do them, and if civilians were incompetent to judge of th ese th e ques tion of the war again occupied the attent. 6n Greenwich N hr ° a u . . i t . h . . -. ... D eo . . . 1 s Strong breeze-Rain . which had been delivered by the noble lord the leader of person to whom I have spoken on the subject, and I ion of what the Duke of Wellington and Lord Hardinge and matters they must go to military authorities. And h e th e h ouse he should have a few words to address to it on rising party in the country who spoke one way and Lothbury the house in support of the bill. The noble lord seemed may say chiefly by friends of her Majesty's Government, oted another (Hear, h ear .) Th a t h on . member e very man of common sense suggested ? Though they would read to them what the historian of the Peninsular the resources of Russia. Manchester N.W Cloudy- Cold. to argne that, because in all former wars foreigners had that there is an idea that some ulterior measure is con- v Bradford N. Frosty. was of op ni passed a bill in August to raise 30,000 men in Ireland war, a man of unexampled courage, Sir W. Napier, had maIpHILLIPS, like the hon. member been employed in conjunction with the forces of great cealed behind. (Hear.) That is the expression used b i •on that the Ministry might be advantageously S.E . Fire. y structed, and possibly the hon. gentleman m i g h t it was not an al they had resolved to Stllll/11011 Perna ' . written on this subject :-" And shall," he wrote, ~ a had supported the second reading of this bill, but ' recon countries, therefore they must be employed by England the hon. member who spoke last, and this, I say, is not unlike Wakefield himself be induced to assist in that work. (A lau h. that in order that the mi h a d icked u for old without na- hint he voted for it aceo ' g i meat, ; y g-t have some excuse mere mercenary bn , p p g , , rding to his opinion of its merits Carli 1 in the operations of the present war. I tie' nis statement fair dealing. (Hear.) The country has been taken en- there He trusted that the sound views expressed by the to offer, and that they might appear at last to be con- tional feeling-poor miserable hirelings, selling their and ia the belief that it was an expedient measure ''' s e was a ccmfounding together of two species of allies tirel b y surprise by this measure. (Hear.) There are Ler caster they were as perfectly distinct as light from darkness- , t . y holdi I hon gentleman wo Id t• u prove sa isfactory to his own con- scious of the situation of the country, th P • C •1 r b dl•es ay their very souls for lucre-ready, Mr. ALCOCK believed that the standard liad no ' t been e rivy ounci im san iv „ Whitehaven mee ings . ng, . know, at this moment, and others scien . Ca and to his constituents. Three speakers had issued directions as to the quotas of men to be provided w ithout a cause, to murder, to slay, or be slain, and, of sufficiently reduced, nor was the bounty large enou M t namely, confederates and naercenaries. (Hear.) He in contemplation m the country, and I believe from gh, and arypor N.W Clear-Cold. would have all the confederates the country ld - addressed the house on the part of the Government th -- e by eac h co unty in Ireland. (Rear.) These patriotic and course, ready to change sides for higher pay if good oc- for that reason he should oppose the house going int o Stoke-on-Trent . N W Fine. con get in what I gathered last night from the very contradictory L d P • or , resident the Home s ecre t ar y, an d t h e secretary indefatigable men, who had readily obtained eve vote casfen effer - shall such varlets stand in line beside our committee. Our object then ought to be to obtain 1- Bris'sol N.W Cold-Windy. carrying on the War ; but it had not been made at all s eeches which were made, that there is great jealousy clear what advantage this country was likely to obtain p • • existrng on the subject. But the country has a right to at War ; and he hoped the house would permit him to make a few observations on the arguments which those Co d who affect d of men and money they asked for from the Ho rY use of noble soldiers w ho fi g ht s h ou ti ng ' E ng l an d ! E ng l an d e diers who would sympathise with us, and he, therefosree Plymouth Torquay N.W mmons, au e to overflow with compas- and dying murmur, 'We have done our duty' I" advocated an application to the independent 'people of Much iain. in carrying on the war with these mercenaries. (Hear.) know freely and fairly, what you are going to do. • eminent statesmen had submitted to the British Parlia- sion for the sufferings of our Tauntoa N.W Windy. gallant army in the Crimea (Cheers.) He (Mr. Whiteside) . trusted that there was the Caucasus, from whom we might not only expect an s e , es If the Government had come forward and said that Lord (Hear) Now, I think all that has been said about its ment summoned together at that unseasonable period It too much to ask what th ife self-reliance and addition of 40 000 or 50 000 men but w aea N.W Cloudy. Raglan was in want of disciplined and trained soldiers, being unconstitutional to employ foreign troops is down of the ' on at and im • - year, a gre portant question. The was .ey had done with the as much of that patriot c eling, , , „ e shonld have Heverforda est N W powers and resources so confidingly placed at their dis• courage left which had distinguished our forefathers as their sympathy, and all the advantages of moral jeined Bath - - . and that they were in a condition to state that by the right trash. (Ministerial cheers.) If this be a bona fide N. passing of the present In 'll they would be able to provide measure for taking into our pay 30,000-or any number noble lord (J. Russell) gave them, as was his wont, a p sal ? They had the power of raisi 30 000 . ld hi this countr to avert that disgrace which, to physical force. There was one banner under h . h C l'ff ng , men in wou ena e y . . . . wie .an i N. h t th t dis uisition on the balance of power-a very tickli h- ° • N h received a I s Ireland. ow, e he • ld fi h dfih ' • • etter from Lord Ennis- according to the account of the distinguished soldier he tet nation wou gt, an g t willingly -it was the Southampton N.W Rain. that general with a large body of . suc roops, a would of thousands you please---of lawful troops, it will have :1 lof a militia • go a great way to remove . his objection to the measure. my most cord' 1 t (H ) S f • t m supper . ear. uppose, or ins ance, an delicate ground on which to tread at the commence- killen, the colone regiment in Fermanagh had mentioned would tarnish the hitherto unsullied banner of that nation which was at war with Russia. Cowes ' N.W. f h Ic . But the Government had stated nothing 0 t e Ind. the King of Bavaria were to say, " Here, I have got oo e tf th Th . dt • fthh la f • h Government had d ' ' h Admiral WALCOTT could not forbear ex • P 1 men o e war. is oc rine 0 e a nce o power which t e or ered to be raised, and arms of a free and courageous people, were tey to em- pressing how N.W Cloudy. was subject to Many limitations when understood, not what did the colonel of that de lored the introduction of this m Poetsmouth ent say 1 Why, that ploy mercenaries to aid them in the present war. (The much he p . easure, be- D Rain. On the contrary, the Secretary at War pointed to 30,000 men ; I cannot pay them, but you may ;" if you et received t r h egina the fact that some 30,000 German emigrants came like to confederate with him, and send them to Sebes- merely as it was viewed by writers and thinkers, bat as he had never y d th e order to embody it, al. hon. and learned gentleman resumed his seat amid loud . cause experience told him what a state the country must orchester N. Fine. Brighton N.W - . . it was viewed bv the common sense of mankind; It was though he got an or er ree months ago, indeed, to cheers.) be in when they are compelled to resort to foreign mer• Frosty. -I 41...4. 43.- ..,-.-4.-2-• lurrnikript , T, eeuaries. (Hear.) It was no momentary ornba.rra.e_ .eter:bhrough ..... S.W Fine. sent situation of affairs which nothing but the confidence in your justice, your love to the people devoted to you, could hinder from alarming their most serious apprehen sions. An army of foreign troops—a thing unprecedented, unheard of, unknown—brought into England, causes but alarm. They hope their fears may be removed as soon as possible, and, in the meantime, that the sword of these foreigners should not be intrusted a moment out of your own hand to any other person whatsoever." (Hear.) The Secretary of State for the War Department said that the Queen might employany troops she pleased out cf the country; but, as Parliament had to pay such troops, Parliament practically was enabled to check such a proceeding. He was aware that if they could show that there was an overpowering necessity for it, it would net be necessary to adduce a precedent for a bill of this kind ; but what were the three acts of Parlia ment which had been cited as justifying the present pro position 1 The act of 1794 was a remarkable example of the jealous care with which their predecessors watched over the liberties of the country while aiding the Crown in its difficulties. The act of the 34th of George 111., chap. 42, sec. 43, was entitled, " An act to enable sub jects of France to enlist as soldiers in regiments to serve I on the continent of Europe and in certain other places, and to enable his Majesty to grant commissions," &c. ; and it recited that, " Whereas, during the present war between Great Britain and France, it may be expedient to raise regiments to serve on the continent of Europe, or in the dominions of his late Most Christian Majesty, and to enlist as soldiers in such regiments such persons, who were subjects of his late Most Christian Majesty, as shall be willing to enlist themselves in his Majesty's service ; and to enable a cer tain number of them to serve and receive pay as officers in such regiments, and as engineers, under restrictions : Be it enacted, that it shall be lawful for such persons, who were subjects of his late Most Christian Majesty, as shall be willing to serve his Majesty to enlist as soldiers and to accept commissions from his Majesty (which com missions it shall be lawful for his Majesty to grant) to serve as officers, or as engineers, in any part of the continent of Europe, or in the islands of Guernsey, &e., or in any part of the dominions of his late Most Christian Majesty. Provided, that no such officer or soldier shall be enabled by this act to serve as an officer, or engineer, or soldier in any place except on the continent of Europe, or in any of the islands of Guernsey, &c., or in any part of +he dominions of his late Most Christian Majesty. Pro vided further, that, in case it shall be deemed necessary or expedient to bring any such troops as aforesaid to any part or place in Great Britain for the purpose of rendezvous, or with a view to operations abroad, and it shall be deemed necessary or expedient to land such troops in any part of Great Britain for health or exercise, it shall be lawful so to do. Provided that such troops so landed shall not be marched ito the country to any distance greater than five miles f )nr the seacoast. Provided also that notice of land ing such troops shall within 14 days of such landing be given to both Houses of Parliament, if Parliament shall then be assembled ; and, if not, within 14 days after the then next meeting of Parliament. Provided also, that there never shall be at any one time within this kingdom a greater number of persons who shall have been enlisted under the authority of this act than 5,000 men." (Hear, hear.) The second act which had beeen referred to as a precedent was the 44th of George 111., chap. 757 which recited : " Whereas it hath been deemed expedient by his Ma jesty, in order to provide in the speediest manner for the better defence and greater security of the United Kingdom in the present important juncture of affairs, to permit cer tain foreigners now in Great Britain to enlist as soldiers into his Majesty's service, and, for the better disciplining such soldiers, to form them into regiments, and to grant com missions to certain foreign officers acquainted with their manners and language and it was provided that there should never be more than 10,000 men in the kingdom." The remaining act was the 54th of George 111. ; and he defied the Secretary at War to show that it autho rised the Government to bring into this country foreign se as ltoronogpasst the o Government b e drilled and thought instructed, fit abroad, and then to have their places supplied by o t hers . b a e n f d o r e k ebpeti hereb eing sent The act of 1813 gave no power whatever to drill these troops in England. Well, all these references showed that there was no precedent for this measure in the past legislation of Parliament. Was there any sup port for it, then, in the principles of the constitution ? The profound, sagacious, and patriotic men who settle(' the principles of the constitution always contended for the great and fundamental maxim that the army should consist of the same body as the people, that they might have the same spirit as animated the people. Mr. Grey I and every eminent authority among the Whigs, when the Whigs had a party, invariably taught—though the Secr;tary at War might deride their s teaching—that wiseu anything unprecedented was attempted, however sntall,,it must be watched and resisted at the outset, lest it should be drawn into a precedent for innovations of a larger and more dangerous character. But another great English writer pointed out the true source of the greatness of empires, and drew the following distinction hoped there he was a copy b e t we en mercenary forces and the true support of a country—Lord Bacon . and of his writings in the War•office. (A laugh.) Lord Bacon said— " Therefore, let any Prince or State think soberly of his forces, except his militia of natives be good and valiant soldiers; and let Princes, on the other side, that have sub jects of martial disposition know their own strength, un less they be otherwise wanting to themselves. As for mercenary forces (which is the help in this case), all exam ples show that, whatsoever Estate or Prince sloth rest upon them, he may spread his feathers for a time, but he will mew them soon after." .(Hear,-hear.) What was the lesson taught by the ex amples of the great States of old I When Marina en listed the rabble and forgot the native militia of the peo va.,- ,x3mon.r.7 , era 'Wu' .4....ntaregi laserrtikaa, sand laid the foundation of military tyranny throughout the world. He said, then, that such a measure as this was degrad ing to England and destructive of the political charac ter of those who propounded it. This was not the case of Portugal fighting for Portugal--of Spain fighting for Spain—of the emigrant French fighting for France—of the Swiss fighting for Switzerland ; but it was the mendicant policy of a Minister who sot out for the continent to beg troops wherever they could be found, and to pay them for cutting the throats of the men who were to be opposed to them. (Hear, hear.) When asked why he did not send out more troops to the Crimea, the Secretary at War answered that they must first get recruits, and next that they must drill them, which required several months. But if the Go vernment knew that it would take all this time to train these recruits, why did it come to the extraordinary conclusion that war was to be declared with a great military power like Russia before we were prepared to meet it 9 Let the house mark the dates. The Guards were sent to Malta in February, and war was declared —or at least meant to be declared—on the 26th of March. Well, what course did common sense—not to say s tatesmanship—then dicate ? They only sought to amend the Militia Bill for Ireland on the 11th of August. Why did they not embody the English mi, litia before they declared war ? Why did they not do what the Duke of Wellington and Lord Hardinge and ever y man of common sense suggested ? Tkough they passed a bill in August to raise 30,000 men in Ireland, oartdtehr they y h a m t i t g h h e t y it was not until they had resolved to summon Parlia ment,might have some excuse appear at last to be con scious of the situation of the country, the Privy Council issued directions as to the quotas of men to be provided by each county in Ireland. (Hear.) These patriotic and indefatigable men, who had readily obtained every vote of men and money they asked for from the House of Commons, and who affected to overflow with compas tootert,haatndinth sion for the sufferings of our gallant army in the Crimea —was it too much to ask what they had done with the powers and resources so confidingly placed at their dis• posal ? They had the power of raising 30,000 men in Ireland. Now, he received a letter from Lord Ennis killen, the colonel of a militia regiment in Fermanagh, which the Government had ordered to be raised, and what did the colonel of that regiment say Why, that he had never yet received the order to embody it, al though he got an order three months ago, indeed, to en rol the men ; and that the y would have been ready , long since if the order had been given to have them em bodied ; that the farmers would not employ men whe were once enrolled, because they knew they were not m In fact • • likely to keep t • he. if the , might be said 'No pay, no militia , „ and y chose to embody the men who offered themselves, and would put them in bar racks, there would be large numbers ready to fight for their country. The Government, however, had not done this, and therefore the noble lord the member for Tiverton got up and told them that this was a grave and solemn question—one in which the feelings of hon. mem bers in that house were deeply interested, because many of them had brethren in the Crimea fighting under great difficulties in the noblest caw*, and not fo r th e H o l y Alliance or to establish despotism anywhere, but to esta blish somewhere the empire of reason over brute force. What was the speech of that noble lord, stripped of its janty, manner, but an appeal to those who had relatives in the Crimea, if they had any feelings f or their sufferings, f or G o d' s sa k e to pass this bill fo r their relief ? (Hear, hear.) And there were those present whe had relatives engaged in the war. There was the hon. member for Donegal, who had one brother who was shot down and another who was tor tured by wounds. There was the hon. 'member for Monaghan, who had a relative who, by the good provi dence of God, escaped covered with wounds and with honour. There was also the member for Antrim, who had a relative who was transfixed by a bayonet ; and there were many others who had had loved relatives and dear friends who had fallen victims in this war. The noble lord says, " I do not know where we a re t o ge t the me n , b ut hen we do find them we must bring them to England. But Ido not know how long it will re: quire to drill and teach them before we send them to the Crimea in order 'to relieve our friends and to put an end to the conflict which they wage with the elements as well as with their human enemies." He appealed to the understandings of those whom he addressed as to whe ther this was not a mockery ? (Cheers.) The noble lord denies this, but he (Mr. Whiteside) repeated the argument, and addressed himself to those deeply con cerned. It was true that the troops had suffered, it was true that they were starved, and, as Lord Raglan said, " They were gathering stones to shelter themselves from the weather." And what was the relief and assistance to be sent to them ? What was the prompt and vigor ous measure that the present Administration proposed? Why, a bill that was prospective and problematical, to enable them to obtain men whence they did not know. Or what would be their condition—to drill them, and 12 months hence to send them to the Crimea—and to do what ? Why, to gather the bones of our countrymen, on whose tombs directions should be given to inscribe — "These brave men perished from the neglect, incompe tency, and indecision of an English Ministry." (Oppo sition cheers.) The bill s was not a reality, and if there was one thing more than another that Englishmen dis liked, it was to have a measure submitted to them that was not the real thing to accomplish the end in view. (flear.) It might be said that this was an easy mode cianswering the question, and was there nothing that he could suggest to remedy the evils he complained of ? There was nothing effectual that he would not give or Tote to accomplish the end they had in view, as mach, or even more to our own interest ; buts never theless, he must say, that the mode in which the trade with Russia was now carried on was attended with great inconvenience to British merchants, for they not only had to pay an increased price for Russian produce, but their ships no longer visited those ports which they had been led to believe were strictly blockaded, and the i trade was consequently carried on by neutral ships. He thought he had a right to call on the Government to take some steps to provide greater advantages to the which had been eugaged in carrying or else render the bl oc k a d e more ea- British shipsing cßiellsnta,jansoPtrlsriatscethe entire benefit of the trade should not be thrown into the hands of others. (Hear.) He had said that promptitude and secrecy were very material elements of success in war. In the present war this CONSOLIDATED FUND. country had ranged on one side free institutions, absolute On the motion for going into committee on the Con• freedom of debate in Parliament and out of doors, and solidated Fund, unrestricted freedom of the press ; and, on the other Mr. HENLEY objected to going into committe e t head, there were opposed to it despotic authority and without notice. The object of the committee was e centralised power. What, then, were the advantages or enable the Chancellor of the Exchequer to deal with th e k disadvantages of these opposite circumstances ? It was, Savings Banks Funds, and he. thought before thel..P ea er indeed, true that g reat advantages were derived from explanations o f left the chair they ought to have someour free institutions, and it was to the feeling of national the necessity for dealing with the subject at perio d pride and honour which animated our soldiers as well as of the session. officers that must be attributed those displays of brilliant The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought valour, and those instances of patient endurance of pri the proper time to make his statement would be when vations, which had excited the admiration of the world. they got into committee. (Cheers.) But, on the other hand, as far as secrecy in Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said the house could not be respect to military operations was concerned, no one in a position to discuss financial matters without pre- would deny that this country was utterly debarred from lions notice. that advantage. Not a regiment could be raised in this Sir W. MOLESWORTH said all his right hon, friend country, not a supply of money could be asked for from wan t e d w as, to go into committee for the purpose of Parliament, not an expedition could be contemplated, making a statement. without the Emperor of Russia being immediately in- Mr. SPOONER insisted that there was no pressing formed of it through the newspapers. He would appeal necessity for the statement. Besides, many members t o hi s t or y in reference to the value of secrecy in carrying bad left town under the impression that there would be on war. In 1805, Napoleon having postponed his in -3243 financial statement before Christmas. F. BARING thought the right. hon. gentleman vasion of this country, was reduced to a state of .inac- Sirßoulogne, when he threatene d tivity in his camp at was ought to have an opportunity of making his explanation by a new continental coalition of the most formidable now ; but the house should abstain from coming to any character. Armed as he was at all points, he was never resolution upon it at present. theless placed at that moment in a situation of great The house th en wen t i n t o comm itt ee . difficulty. It was only by the greatest accuracy of cm- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the bination, aided by the most impenetrable secrecy, that ex P l aaation he had to make would not be a financial t, in he succeeded in extricating himself from this difficu l t statemen the ordinary acceptation of the term, be - position ; and in these two points—unity of will and se cause tae resolution he had to propose in no way related crecy of design—we had another Napoleon to contend to taxes—the subject of taxes in the ways and means of with in the Czar Nicholas. It was right and proper that t r ue year. It referred exclusively to a matter of adtui- the country should see the distinction of circumstances ilistrative arrangement, and his object in proposing the which existed in this respect between the two contending resolution was simply to enable him to print the mea- parties. Ultimately, he believed, civilisation and free bore of the Government with the view of its being con- institutions would triumph against barbarism ; but sidered during the recess. The resolution would form the people of this country expected that every the foundation of a bill intended to remove the objections effort would be used to bring the war to a speedy termi which hitherto had been taken to the existing law nation. The country, he thought, would not recognise relating to Savings Banks funds. The subject of any such tendency in this bill—it was opposed to the Savings Banks divided itself into two branches • the genera l sense o f the community, and, believing that he first was the custody of the moneys , and the se- spoke the sentiments of his constituents and of the cond the guarantee to be afforded to the deposi- nation at large, he should give the measure his strenuous tors. The bill he had now in view would opposition. relate to the first of these branches, but it would be his Mr. RICH said that, though he had voted the night duty after the recess to bring in a second bill for the purpose of strengthening the guarantees which deposi- be fore tors already possess, giving them increased facilities for se lf 'ins again t being of su f pp!se to have voted in favour of support of the bill, he wished to guard him enforcing their rights , , and regulating the internal the employment ore t ign troops as mere mercenaries. prepared to admit that the Ger management of Savings Banks. At present the law (Hear.) He was e no t p enof as likely to enter our ser affecting Savings Banks deposits was exceedingly mans who ha d b Germans,enshe meant, who, having obtained vice—those. complicated ; Government were only responsible for of denaturalisation from their own Sovereigns, the sums which absolutely reached their hands, letters over here with a view of emigrating to Canada, while they were bound to insert it in a parti elnumsetralia, or the United States—wherever, in fact, they color security, and an erroneous impression had gone could get for the least mosey — would make good and abroad that tho interests of the depositor were seriously efficient soldiers—(hear, hear)—and coupling this with affected by the fluctuations of the public securities. right the language held last night by the Secretary at War was no such thing ; but still the depositor had t he and the noble lord the member for Tiverton, he was in to demand that the law relating to his security sh ou ld dined to think that the views of the Government were be simple and explicit, and that was t he main o bj ec t o f not confined to such men as these, but that they had in this resolution. The bill to be founded upon it would require the National Debt Commi ssioners to publish contemplation some means which they did not reveal of once a year a statement of their liabilities on account obtaining valuable and efficient troops, animated by the of Savings Banks depositors, and certain other provisions same spirit of resistance to the ambitious designs of of an important character. The resolution he had to move Russia as were the troops of France and England. He was this, viz.: That it is expedient to create a charge on had, therefore, supported the measure as one of trust the Consolidated Fund of the United Kingdom of Great and confidence in the Government, but if he found that Britain and Ireland, in respect of the sums due to it turned out to be an expedient for raising a mere mer- Savings Banks and Friendly Societies, and : to provide cenary force, he should be no longer willing to extend for the payment of interest thereon to the Com- to them that support. He was aware that in the com missioners of the National Debt at three per centum mencement of a war mistakes must occur, but he could per annum, and also to make provision out of the not shut his eyes to the fact that more mistakes had oc said Consolidated Fiend, or by Exchequer Bills or curred on this occasion than were absolutely necessary Exchequer Bonds, for any difference which may now or or indeed defensible. One source of difficulty be saw, hereafter exist between the assets in the hands of the which he thought might be easily removed. In the con- Commissioners for the Reduction of the National Debt duct of the war it was essential, he thought, that that in respect of savings banks and friendly societies, and portion of the members of the Government who had the the liabilities thereon ; and also for the interest on such largest portion of support in the house and in the coun- Exchequer Bills or Exchequer Bonds. The second bill try should, while they were responsible for the conduct would relate to the management of savings banks and of the war, have more power of action in carrying it on. the rights and securities of depositors. He did not know whether it were accidental or not, but Mr. DISRAELI thought the proposal of the Chan- it so happened, that every member of the Government ca lor of the Exchequer was reasonable enough ; it was who was in any way connected with the departmental impossible that the house could be in a position to administration of the war belonged to a party of great consider the measure of the Government until they had ability, industry, and integrity, no doubt, but who cer the measure itself before them. Now, the bill could tainly did not possess a very large body of supporters in not be introduced according to the forms of the house that house, and a still less following, perhaps, out of it. without a preliminary resolution, and he therefore This was quite opposed to a determinate system of therughethey ought to agree to it pro forma. action, and he did not think it was at all for the inte me. 'HENLEY hoped the effect of the twobills would be to presient the tampering, on the part of the State official experience and energy of action should be alto with savings banks derma.. He should not object to ether shut out from a share in the conduct of the war. the passing of the resolution, but it moat b e un d ers t oo d Ile hoped, therefore, just as there had been changes in that it did not bind the house to the Principle of th e the composition of the Ministry last session, that, with- Government measure. - out ,any action of the' house, they would see, before the Sir H. WILLOUGHBY questioned the policy- 1 a re reassembling et Parliament, some change made is the ducing the interest on Savings Banks deposits. present distribution of office, which would, impart a. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said greater energy to the carrying on of the war. the interest payable to Savings Banks depositors was Mr. DRUMMOND—I think, perhaps, it is an act of not in any way affected by this resolution. charity for some person to rise and protect the Govern -I)rd J. RUSSELL deprecated discussion until the inert from their own supporters—(laughter)—for really, till was before the house, sir, no bomb that ever arrived at Sebastopol can have The resolution was then agreed to, and, the house made a greater explosion than this shot from behind, having resumed, leave was given to bring in a bill informing her Majesty's Government that upon this founded on it. vital question of the war, every single department in it, ENLISTMENT OF FOREIGNERS BILL. from the Ordnance to the Commander-in-Chief, is in the On the motion for going into committee on this tell, hands of that part of the Ministry in which it ought not Mr. NEWDEGATE asked whether any steps leei to be. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) been taken for bringing British troops from India to be Mr. RICH said, he made no such observation. used for the petrposes of the war ? Mr. DRUMMOND—WeII, well, sir—her Majesty's Lord J. RUSSELL declined to enter into any ex- Government have got the numbers on their side, and planation of what the Government had done or intended they aro wise enough to care very little about the ar to de, for collecting troops. guments. I was exceedingly sorry, sir, to vote as I "Mr. H. LIDDELL said, he had hitherto abstained did last night. I think her Majesty's Ministers have from addressing the house on the important question done themselves wrong. The fact is that the country involved in the present bill, because he was anxious that look upon this bill as very much like what they as little delay as possible should be interposed before the call at Newmarket a " dark horse." (Laughter.) house came to a decision with respect to it. But since There is a suspicion, sir, that all is not fair and proper that decision had now been arrived at, and since much about it. (Opposition cheers.) I have heard insinea time was not likely to be spent on the details of the tions—some were made last night by the hon. gentle measure, he now felt it his duty, as the representative of man who moved the amendment, but I will not repeat one of the moat important towns in the kingdom, to them, for I really do not know, and, indeed, I can't make some observations with respect to the measure. know whether they are well founded or not ; but of this He had seldom heard a speech less conclusive than that lam certain, from the language used to myself by every which had been delivered by the noble lord the leader of person to whom I have spoken on the subject, and I the house in support of the bill. The noble lord seemed may say chiefly by friends of her Majesty's Government, to argue that, because in all former wars foreigners had that there is an idea that some ulterior measure is con been employed in conjunction with the forces of great cealed behind. (Hear.) That is the expression used by countries, therefore they must be employed by England the hon. member who spoke last, ani this, I say, is not in the operations of the present war. In this statement fair dealing. (Hear.) The country has been taken en there was a confounding together of two species of allies, tirely by surprise by this measure. (Hear.) There are they were as perfectly distinct as light from darkness— meetings holding, I know, at this moment, and others namely, confederates and mercenaries. (Hear.) He in contemplation in the country, and I believe from would have all the confederates the country could get in what I gathered last night from the very contradictory carrying on the war ; but it had not been made at all speeches which were made, that there is great jealousy clear what advantage this country was likely to obtain existing on the subject. But the country has a right to in carrying on the war with these mercenaries. (Hear.) know, freely and fairly, what you are going to do. If the Government had come forward and said that Lord (Hear.) Now, I think all that has been said about its Raglan was in want of disciplined and trained soldiers, being unconstitutional to employ foreign troops is down and that they were in a condition to state that by the right trash. (Ministerial cheers.) If this be a bona fide passing of the present bill they would be able to provide measure for taking into our pay 30,000—0 r any number that general with a large body of such troops, that would of thousands you please—of lawful troops, it will have go a great way to remove his objection to the measure. my most cordial support. (Hear.) Suppose, for instance, But the Government had stated nothing of th e kind. tie King of Bavaria were to say, "Here, I have got On the contrary, the Secretary at War pointed to 30,000 men ; I cannot pay them, but you may ;" if you the fact that some 30,000 German emigrants came like to confederate with him, and send them to Sebes annually to the shores of this kingdom on their way tope], then I say, send them by all means. But, sir, to the United States. Now, last year a committee from what I collected, this is a totally different descrip• was appointed on the question of emigration, and the tien of agent which yon are going to employ, and one circumst an c e s of the German emigrants formed one about which I have a strong and very conscientious ob of the topics of inquiry. It appeared that the Ger- jection. (Hear, hear.) The profession of arms is a man emigrants carried with them great destitution and most honourable profession—(hear)—and, I believe, distress and the seeds of disease. In Liverpool the first brings out the best q ualities, moral aid p h y sical, case of cholera broke out amongst them, and the worst which characterise man, better than any other pro cesses of that disease manifestedthemselves in those ships fission. Regular soldiers never go into action, they alone, with the exception of two, where the German are never carried to deeds of violen ce, exce p t at the bid emigrants were received. Was this, then, the body of ding of their Sovereign, in defence of the weak and men the Government depended oa to form disciplined oppressed or for the protection of their country ; but soldiers / Was the house to be told that this was the when you come to hire mercenaries who have no Bove source to look for troops, when, as the noble lord, the reign over them, no country to protect, and no one Secretary for the Home Department had well said, the ennobling sentiment in them, that is what degrades the entire kingdom w as a body of reserve for the army I military profession. (Hear, hear.) These men are (Hear, hear.) Great authorities had b een quo t e d t o show nosing but men-butchers ; they fight and murder for a that vast military operations never were conducted with- shifting a day, and, of course, if anybody will give them out the assistance of foreigners, and, in support of this 2s. a day they will turn round and murder you in turn. view, the noble lord, the Secretary of State, adverted to (Hear, hear.) A n d why should they not 1 I see that, the intermixture of foreign troops with the arm i es o f by this bill, yon propose that these men should take an France during the great campaigns of Napoleon. But oath, not of allegiance exactly, but of fidelity. Fidelity it should be borne in mind that Napoleon, besides being to what l—to a shilling a day. (Hear, hear.) But is the French Emperor, arrogated to himself the titles of not fidelity to 2s. a day a very much better thing ! King of Italy, Protector of the Confederation of the "A saint in crape is twice a saint in lawn." Rhine, and Mediator of the Helvetic C o nfederation. Nor_ a second Charle- (Laughter.) I say this is a most di s h onoura bl e mo d e of were these empty titles. Napoleon w as and succeeded in warfare. (Cheers.) It was because I could not make magne, aspiring to universal empire, _ had out from the contradictory speeches of the members of acquiring it to a considerable extent. Napoleon re- Westphalia, the Government which of these two forces it is they lations and connexions on the thrones of Viceroy tend to employ, that I voted against the bill last fig ht. in- Spain, Holland, and Naples, and his stepson was in lam not against the employment of foreign troops but of Italy ; and he stood in reference to all these States o f I think it was exceedingly unfair to say that, if we do the light of suzerain, demanding from them tribute s not swallow this measure before the country has time to troops. It was not wonderful, then, to find men o f a ll form its opinion upon it, we are to be threatened w ith nations fighting under his banner. But was such a case the withdrawal of the Duke of great aa that to be compared to a miserable plan like the one no w •and laughter.) Why , • it's something like the o l d now sir, submitted to the house, the object of which was to . in the who lived • h enlist som e of the • maiden lady ragged outcasts of German coming to thi s e„,xtryb at tl es ' i n gentleman, and who pretty nearly bored him to death by . and pay them for fighting which they fel t p erpetually threatening him, " If you do not do as I bid hear.) It waii Z o rsonal or national interest ? (Hear, . you, I will withdraw from you the protection of the nation to justify theing dust in the eyes of the house and Hon. Lucretia M`Tab." (Loud laughter.) There are dent, and if they ee „ t t 9.4, Y resent proposal by such a prece tain members of her Majesty's Government whom I to the time of Marlborou h 2 cer tain they would find that his foreign troops stoo d -in' should be exceedingly sorry to lose, but I confess I the light of confederates, and not mercenaries . Hear should not greatly grieve if the Duke of Newcastle were hear.) All he hoped was that, as the Glov r e i r e n s. ment had to take his departure. (Cheers and laughter.) I should succeeded in carrying theth ey would go into mourning for the event in !MCC bill, it would be attended not thi n k with b the results anticipatedt disc 3' them our camp before Sebastopol—(hear, hear) —though, pos ; though he 'maid not but express the grea ppointment which he, in coin- sib]' , the Emperor, of Russia might receive the news with a very large majority mon of the kingdom, felt at with sorrow. (Laughter.) Somebody else, I should finding, when the Government . called Parliament toe - a think, might be found who would have taken care that ther for the purpose of. bringing forward measures to our horses should not have kicked one another to death conduct the war with v igour, an d soldiers relieve the over- . in their transports ; who would have seen that the offi t isked energies of the brave Br i ti sh measure so inefficient that they introduced aas the p re . l that officers and men should not have had their clothes sent and so little likely to answer 'the desired end. the i rotting off their backs ; and that some means or a nother He would now say a few words as to general condu c t should have been discovered by which the things which and possible consequence s of this disastro us and unhappy ~ were - sent out from this country with a liberal spirit war. It had been remarked that we w er e c arrying on should have got some time or other into the hands of with regard to the rei n . the p er sons a war on unheard-of principles of. . this for whom they were intended. (Hear.) But the means insuri ng won d erful tions of commerce, and without erhil problem, how to get a thing from one la Imaterial elements towityfil Pce to another is evide tl. f b d secrecy or promptiti.lde—boti eyon the comprehen ornmercial part sion of the Duk Tni ar success in war. With respect to the c eof l'e oe - castle. (Laughter ) Ido not that 6 ', bhs the think there can be any such har r y has cf the question, it could not be expected sented a y as been repre throw any nd therefo I representative of Liverpool, should wish to • ce of commerce . vernment will no re am inclined to hope that the Go t press the measure bw'll t one impediments in the way of the cont inuance it—l wi ll not dispute about 13 proveout the day—but at least post which, though carried on with our enemies, might pone it until the country has had time to become ac quainted with it. (Cheers.) Sir W. VERNER, as an old officer of long experience, was persuaded that nethinebould be more unsatisfactory than the proposed employment of mercenary troops by this country. Mr. OTWAY said that, having voted against the second reading of this bill, he wished to Age the reasons why he opposed the measure. He should be sorry to impede the sending out of reinforcements to our gallant army in the Crimea, but he believed that we had other sources in important parts in our own empire that could be made earlier available for affording help to that army than the means offered by this bill. He had seen, from the newspapers that the Sheik and Ghoorka regiments in India, who were especially adapted for this service, were ready to volunteer for the Crimea. The East India Company obtained powers last session for largely in creasing their force of Europeans, and he believed that they were now carrying those powers into effect. In telligence had been received that a treaty of peace had been entered into with the sovereign of Burmah ; and, India being DOW in a state of perfect tranquillity, we might obtain effective reinforcements from that quarter before the foreign troops to be raised under this bill could be organised and sent out to the seat of war. He like wise objected to the class of men contemplated by this measure. Having had the good fortune to witness th e efficiency of many German regiments in the field, he would be the last man to underrate their capabilities. He believed that Germon troops, led by their own offi cers, fighting under their own standard, and animated by the traditions of their military history, would perform feats of valour second to none in the annals of the world. But he had no confidence in German emigrants. The Secretary at War had told them that these emigrants would be trained soldiers, but Prussia was the only Ger man State where every man was of necessity a soldier ; and of his own knowledge he could state that in some of the minor principalities and small duchies this was not the case ; so that we really could not have that secu rity as to the quality of these men that had been held out to us. It was quite true that foreign troops had served with our army in the last war, but it should be remembered that among those foreign troops . there was only one regiment which did not sympathiseVith the cause in which we were engaged. He alluded to the Greek regiment • and what was its conduct ? Being stationed at M alta,i it revolted and seized pos session of one of the forts, from which it cost us a great deal of troulsle to dislodge it. If the Government had declared it to be their intention to form a Polish legion with its own officers, he would gladly have sup ported them. If we landed a body of Poles to-morrow in the Crimea, with their own officers, he believed that great numbers would desert from the Russians, and a great moral effect would be produced from which this country would derive much benefit. He understood that a letter had been written containing an offer from certain Polish prisoners that were detained in our ports to enlist in our service as soldiers and sailors to oppose our enemy, instead of remaining inactive and a burden upon the people of this country. If this story were true, it showed what was the spirit of the Poles, and how we might make them of use in this war. He was convinced that the great question at issue in this contest would never be solved until the cause of Poland was brought before that house, and with that subject he was sure the Government would have sooner or later to deal. But he wished to ask where these foreign troops were to be sta tioned ? Were they to be billeted on theinhabitants of this country or stationed in our dockyards 1 Supposing there not to be encamped, but to be sent to our strong places, to Portsmouth, Plymouth, Sheerness, or Chatham, would not such a step be attended with danger ? Look at the class of men of whom they were speaking 1 They had no feeling or enthusiasm in the cause, but came here, as the hon. member for Surrey had said, to under take to murder for a shilling par day. Now, with the numerous Russian agents that were in this country and at the Courts of all the petty German princes, nothing , could be easier than for these Russian agents to get 20 or 30 of these men for a certain sum of money, and send them over to England as emigrants to enlist in the proposed mercenary legion. And what would be the ' I result ? Why they may do irreparable damage in our dockyards and arsenals. (Hear, hear.) This, there fore, was a point worthy of attention, and the house should require information from the Government upon it. It was impossible to separate this measure from:the conduct of the war hitherto. He admitted that we could not expect to enter into a great war with a pear establishment without making many mistakes of dethil, but he could not refrain from noticing the want of ordi nary precaution shown by some departments of the pub lic service. At this time last year Ministers must have known that there was every probability of a war with Russia. Hurried attempts were being made at our dockyards to fit out our fleets for service ; and when hon. members asked why a particular class of vessels was not sent to a particular quarter, the answer of the First Lord of the Admiralty was, that wo had not the men nor the gun-boats that were required. Well, but at that particular conjuncture, 12 months ago, when preparations were so urgent, we actually turned our own vessels out of dock and admitted two Russian ships, which were there armed and sent to sea. This was surely bad enough, but what followed he should think must have caused some remorse to the First Lord of the Admiralty. The Aurora having taken refuge in the harbour of Petropaulovski, in the unfortunate ac tion which took place there a short time ago ' he found that the damage done to a portion of our navy was dens by that '.Ty 11,13,ssiee slily which we anowea_to escape from our hands in the way - he had stated. (Hear, hear.) The right hon. member for Buckingham shire referred last night to Thucydides ; but England had produced a historian not second to that classic writer whose name was immortalised by his history of the decline and fall of a great empire. Some of the pages of that philosophic writer he would commend to the at tention of her Majesty's Ministers, and more especially those in which, speaking of the statesmen who by their pusillanimity accelerated the fall of the Roman Empire, he said that crafty Ministers substituted temporary ex pedients for salutary counsels. He could not but view the present bill as a mere temporary expedient. Why were the Government not prepared to mention the name of Poland, and to rally round them those who were ready to assist in the struggle ? Why did they not call upon men above 30 years of age, and tell them of the need for their exertions I Let them raise the bounty if that were necessary, and offer every inducement to the country to come forward and fight 'their battles, and then, no doubt, we should win other victories equal to (for it was impossible to surpass) those of Alma and In kerman, which would lead to an honourable and lasting peace. (Hear, hear.) Mr. WHITESIDE said that he had listened with some attention to the speech of the honourable mem ber for Riehmoad (Mr. Rich), who belonged to that rising party in the country who spoke one way and voted another. (Hear, hear.) That hon. member was of opinion that the Ministry might be advantageously reconstructed, and possibly the hon. gentleman might himself be induced to assist in that work. (A laugh.) He trusted that the sound views expressed by the hon. gentleman would prove satisfactory to his own con science and to his constituents. Three speakers had addressed the house on the part of the Government--the Lord President, the Home Secretary, and the Secretary at War ; and he hoped the house would permit him to make a few observations on the arguments which those eminent statesmen had submitted to the British Parlia ment, summoned together at that unseasonable period of the year, on a great and important question. The noble lord (J. Russell) gave them, as was his wont, a disquisition on the balance of power—a very ticklish and delicate ground on which to tread at the commence ment of the war. This doctrine of the balance of power was subject to many limitations when understood, not merely as it was viewed by writers and thinkers, but as it was viewed by the common sense of mankind. It was subject, for instance, to this limitation—that we must, at the earliest moment we discovered the designs of a Power threatening to disturb the equilibrium, express ourselves to that Power with decision and firmness, and point out to it, before resorting to the last alternative, in plain and unmistakeable language, the object and policy we were about to pursue. We must preys) to him, said the writers on public law, that he wanted to dictate laws to an independent State, and having done this, and seeing him still persevering in the course which the noble lord pointed out, we must - then have recourse to arms. This argument was used by the noble lord, although there had been in the posses sion of Lord Aberdeen, the head of the Government, since the year 1844, a document plainly indicating what the intentions of the Czar were with regard to Turkey, and a system of secret negotiation and diplomacy between the Ministers of this country and Russia had afterwards taken place on the same subject. Again, this balance of power received a severe shock on the partition of Poland, with respect to which Mr. Burke left his opi nion on record that if there had been an English states man of spirit, capacity, and courage to speak out the sense of England, that horrible transaction would never have been perpetrated by the Imperial conspirator. The balance of power, then, when such a wicked crime was permitted, was a dangerous argument to use. Let them place this contest on the ground of self-interest —on the ground intelligible to all, that the Emperor sought to strike a blow at our interests—and then everybody would recognise the wisdom of endeavouring to check his de signs. Were hon. gentlemen wrong in objecting to this bill, which, in its original form, was as mischievous as any measure ever invented by a weak and incompetent Ministry ? Why, it would have enabled the Government, if they had thought fit to employ these mer cenarie . s, to take the hon. gentleman who sat before him to prWhenison. How did a measure of that ki nd work in Italy he was at Naples he saw a body of 11,000 Swiss troops ? at a review—an effective body of men collected from ano ther country, who cared nothing for the Neapolitan peo ple, but were hired to crush their liberties. It was by the aid , of these very persons that the Sovereign of Naples was enabled to degrade and trample on his subjects, and to commit those deeds which the Chancellor of the Ex chequer had so justly portrayed in his able pamphlets, which would he remembered after his budgets were for gotten. (A. laugh.) His Holiness the Pope, also made u se of of Swiss troops to carry out his system. Massimo A eglio, the elder, in his excellent works, admirably pointed out how the employment of mercenary troops by any nation must assuredly enervate and corrupt its own people, and sow the seeds of anarchy and decay. So it ever had been and ever must be. But it was said, " What a silly thing it is to object to foreign troops coming to this country !" Why, Onslow, the Speaker of the House about a century ago—in 1756—0 n presenting the Money Bills to the King, addressed his Majesty on a similar occasion to the present, in these words : " They beg leave most humbly to say, they hope the sword you have so bravely drawn, able in brave, cape e, and supported, will be intrusted only honest hands, that so the naval, the natural strength of and they so efiectually England, will make a figure, will do service, as much greater as it is exalted higher than ever before. , Can Though ever attached to your Majesty's person, they - not forbear taking notice of spine CirgUlildagedi mthe pre the spirit of the people, and'of thatimoral elevation and strength of sentiment which, after all, were the great re source, the chief defence of nations. (Cheers.) In op posing it, then, he was simply discharging his duty as a member of the legislature ; for he could not imagine that the Parliament of England had been called toge ther merely to enregister the edicts of Ministers. (Hear, hear.) And he hoped that every species of resistance would be offered to the measure. (Oh, oh, and cheers.) With regard to public opinion in Germany, he chal lenged the right hou. gentleman to make trial of that opinion ; and if, during the short recess about to ensue, con sideration of the probable oper ation and effect of the the bill people a n dd did d f n Egl e nand applied their minds t• the t th r oughout the kingdom, wherever honesty of purpose, true patriotism , sincere re g ard for England, and a deep-felt sympathy for her stability and permanence among the nations of the world were to be found—unite in its condemnation, he would never again ask permission to address that house whilst he had the honour of occupying a seat within its walls. (Cheers.) Mr. COBDEN said though he believed the historian would have to record the expedition to the Crimea, as the rashest ever undertaken by this country—and that was saying a great deal—still as we had sent an army of 30,000 men from home we were bound to support that army. (Hear.) But he believed the army would not re gard it as a compliment that we wanted to send out to their assistance, not their own countrymen, but mer cenary Germans, The newspapers were careful to tell us that the enthusiasm for the war throughout the country was universal ; but the fact was proved to be otherwise by the large deficiency still existing in the number of men voted by Parliament. (Hear, hear.) The Secretary at War spoke of intercepting German emigrants passing through this country for the United States ; but this appeared to be a most puerile argument, for it was notorious that the vast majority of those German emigrants were men ad vanced in life, with their wives and families, and fre quently taking out with them their own clergyman and their own doctor ; and wore those the men likely to go out to Sebastopol ? (Hear, hear.) There was no country in the world, except the United States, in which it would be so difficultito establish a footing as in Russia. He had said at a public meeting in 1849, that if Russia were to attack England or the United States, or any other large maritime power, she would be crum pled up in her own dreary dominions ; and had that not occurred I (Hear, hear.) Had not the navy of Russia been rendered perfectly useless by the navies of England and France ; but to attack Russia on land required something more than we ever yet dreamed of. He should not now enter further into the general ques tion of the war ; but on the bringing up of the report he should take leave to offer some general remarks on the prospects of the war, and more particularly with regard to the proposals which the noble lord stated on the pre ceding night had been made, at Vienna, by the Emperor of Russia. He should du so because he thought the house, called together as it had been, should not separate without, if possible, eliciting the opinions of the Govern ment, and, at all events, of expressing their own opi nions, otherwise the house would, in his mind, be in disn• ger of losing its character for independence as the great council of the nation. And if, other hon. members re ceived the same communications from the camp as he (Mr. C.) did, he thought that a greater act of kindness could not be done to the army than to procure a discus sion. At all events, and under any circumstances, the army would have the satisfaction of knowing that the representatives of the English people did not meet and separate without their attention havfng been occupied with the state of unparalleled misery which that army was now enduring in the Crimea. (Hear, hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL said wheaever the hon. member brought forward that question the Government would be prepared to discuss it with him. In the meantime he was astonished that the hon. member and several other hon. members should make such a misrepresen tation as that the only assistance Government proposed to send out to the army in the Crimea was a foreign legion, whereas it was well known that in the last three months they had sent out 11,500 men. (Hear, hear.) He regretted that every attempt had been made to degrade the character of men who might with every sense of honour be prepared to enlist in our service. (Hear, hear.) He would not enter more fully into the questioa now, but would only repeat what he said last night, that this bill was only the first of a series of measures which the Government intended to bring in for the prosecution of the war ; and he was sure that when the people of England became aware of the true scope of those measures they would perceive how much they had been misled by the speeches of hon. members who opposed this bill. (Hear, hear.) Lord C. HAMILTON complained that the Govern ment had called hon. members at this unusual season of the year from all parts of the united empire to deli berate on measures affecting the war, and when they had assembled to find such a measure as this bill proposed to them to enlist the services of a foreign legion. (Hear, hear.) He would place no reliance on the enthusiasm of Germany in this cause, of which the Secretary at War spoke so confidently ; and ho believed the public opinion and enthusiasm of this country had not yet been fairly tested. Mr. DANBY SEYMOUR said he should not be doing his duty If, by his vote, he prevented the sending of a single man to the Crimea ; for he considered that our army was in a critical situation, mainly owing to the in efficiency of the Government. (Hear, hear.) He, in common with most other members, was opposed to this bill,. (Hear, hear.) While we were besieging, or rather not besieging, Sebastopol, what were the 54 ships of war dongl Not employed in cannonading the batteries of Sebastopol, but idling about Balaklava. (Hear, hear.) The ports of the Black Sea—Taganrog for instance-- were furnishing Russia with all the elements of war. And further, he was informed that the Greeks were monopolising the Russian trade, to the prejudice of British merchants, who put faith in the faithless declaration of Government that a blockade would be established in the Black Sea. (Hear, hear.) The hon. gentleman then went at length into the means of Russia, and contended that her resources were failing. It had been said by a great French writer that a great war was a war of budgets—a war to see who could hold out the longest, and the best way to cripple Russia was to destroy her commerce. The house, per haps, was not aware that all the munitions of war— the powder, the cannon balls—all came down the Don and the Volga to the sea of Azoff, and were conveyed by land to Sebastopol. The Russians had fortified the place for embarking their stores, and this place was nc more than 25 miles from Eupatoria, one of the fines ports in the Black Sea. What would have been easi' than for a portion of our magnificent fleet to have an chored at Theodosia, and from that place cut off the supplies Russia received from her fortified fort When the question of the war again occupied the attention of the house he should have a few words to address to it on the resources of Russia. Mr.IPHILLIPS, like the hon. member who spoke last, had supported the second reading of this bill, but unlike hire, he voted for it according to his opinion of its merits, and in the belief that it was an expedient measure. Mr. ALCOCK believed that the standard had not been sufficiently reduced, nor was the bounty large enough, and for that reason he should oppose the house going into committee. Our object then ought to be to obtain sol diers who would sympathise with us, and he, therefore, advocated an application to the independent 'people of the Caucasus, from wham we might not only expect an addition of 40,000 or 50,000 men, but we should have their sympathy, and all the advantages of moral joined to physical force. There was one banner under which that nation would fight, and fight willingly—it was the banner of that nation which was at war with Russia. Admiral WALCOTT could not forbear expressing how much he deplored the introduction of this measure, be cause experience told him what a state the country must be in when they are compelled to resort to foreign mer cenaries. (Hear.) It was no momentary embarrass ment which ought to betray the house into an enactment was s our how glory, ready h while e so dangerous as to familiarise th e coun t r y w ith so disas trousteywere glory f e d a er u e r an example. W e w ere no t fi g hti ng, as i n t h e last war, against combi ne d f orces. W e were fi g h t i ng with triumphs were their t r i um ph s . Th e y were possesse d of almost in ex h aus tibl e resources , an d t h ey had shown noble only within allies, t h whosee last w days to contribute support, by embarking a large contin gent for the seat of war. It was a dangerous expedientl; it was a fatal policy ; it was a blot eon the British name and a reproach to the disposition of Englishmen to allow foreigners to serve their native land ; and, far abos • all, it was a humiliating confession of internal weak ness to which he would never lend his voice (Cheers.) Let the Gove rnmen t t a k e t h e true course give promo tions, give rewards, give pensions, give a fair bounty, and give it w ith ungrudging hand. (Hear, he tr.) They would not then want reinforcements from abroad. Let them look to the sick and wounded, provide for the widow and the orphan, and support the families at home, and then the army would, in numbers, be an army of which the country might well be proud. The army in the field now was not to be surpassed in they knew knew they were trusted, and they would not endanger the glory of England. (Hear, hear.) There was one point which had not been referred to in the course of the discussion, and it was one of a character so honour able to the nation that he was glad to mention it. It was the entire abstinence, by every soldier, whether pri vate or officer, in letters to this country, of an assurnp• tion of glory to themselves for the skill, courage, and fortitude displayed, one and all referring it to the Al mighty God above them. When such men failed, let the Government resort to mercenaries if they would. Until then, let them trust to the sinews, the nerve, and the courage of Englishmen, being well assured that in trusting to mercenaries they would embarrass the army, dishearten the troops, and rob them of thsir vie tories and hard-earned glory. (Cheers.) Mr. SCOTT said, that having been unable to catch the Speaker's eye, he should take another opportunity of enforcing his views. Mr. CONOLLY opposed the bill, and was addressing the house when the Speaker sa id the time had arrived when the debate must be adjourned. The debate was then adjourned till to-morrow. THE MISSING ARCTIC EXPEDITION. Mr. NAPIER, then IC EXPEDITION. moved for • copies of all de spatches from the commanding ships employ e d i n the officers of the variaus John Franklin • Arctic Seas in th e searc h f or Si r in , and of the reports of Dr. Rae, in respect to the reli cs o f the orders that may leave missing expedition ; and, of any been given, with the view of ob taining further tion. .intelligence of th e f a t e o f th a t expedi- When any of these dates fall on a Sunday, the malls will 1) e „IA spatched on the following day, with the exception of the Indio Southampton), and the Malta, both of which will be despatched preceding da3 . WEDXEIDAY, Dec. 2 0 . Stations. Course of Wind. State of weather. Greenwich N Lothbury Manchester N.W Cloudy— Cold. Bradford N. Frosty. Sheffield S.E . Fire. Wakefield Carlisle Lancaster Whitehaven Maryport Stoke-on-Trent . N.W Fine. Bristol N.W Cold—Windy. Plymou;,h Torquay N.W Much rain. Taunton N.W Windy. Swansea N.W Cloudy. Elnverfordw est ... N. W Fine—Windy. Bath Cardiff N Southampton N.W Rain. ' Cowes N.W Poole Portsmouth Dorchester N. Fine. Brighton N.W Frosty. Peterborough ..... S.W Fine. Ipswich Leamington. N.N.W..... Unsettled. Lowestoft Hague S.E. Yarmouth S W Rain. Great Grimsby ... N.N.W Rain. Boston • N.N.W..... Rain. York Glasgow Edinburgh N.N.W..... Fine. Perth Dundee Kirkcaldy N.W Fine. Stirling . Greenhill N. W... ..... Fine. Sunderland Cupar S.W Cloudy. Forfar N.W Cloudy. Aberdeen Hull S.W Much rain. Bridlington Newcastle Scarborough Berwick W Fine. Normanton Burton-on-Trent.. N.E Rain. Stamford N.W Rain. Derby N.E Cloudy. Alasborough .. N, Chesterfield ... ... N.W Rain. Leicester W. . Cold—Cloudy. Nottingham D ublin N.N.W..... Fine - Cold. Holyhead Bangor N.N.W..... Very windy. Liverpool _. NEW MEMBER. Lord EBRINGTON here appeared at the bar, and having advanced to the table, took the oaths and his seat for the borough of Marylebone. Mr. S. HERBERT then resumed the debate, and said tie hon. gentleman who last addressee the house, had grossly perverted his arguments for the purposes of debate. That hon. gentleman had said he had listened to a debate in the other house on this bill, in which logic, reason, and eloquence were all on one side. He (Mr. Sidney Herbert) considered the speech of the hon. gentleman was an apt illustration that logic and reason may be often divorced from acknowledged eloquence. (Hear, hear.) The hon. gentleman would not believe in the enthusiasm of Germany ; but the Governments of those small German States, of which the hon. gentleman spoke contemp tuously, bad recorded their opinions that the objects for which the Western Powers were now fighting were just and honourable. (Hear.) When the hon. gentleman said he wished to see our German friends prove their friendship by acts, not words, he (Mr. S. Herbert) re plied, this bill would give them the opportunity The of proving their friendship by acts. (Hear.) member for Staffordshire asked last night why should we not get a Canadian or a Colonial legion t He (Mr. S. Herbert) said, "by all means ;" let them try and do so, but it was the duty of a Government carry ing on a great war to neglect no measures for enabling them to do so. (Hear.) It was net very encouraging to Ministers who were bringing forward measures with honesty of purpose to be subjected to such unfair treat ment. (Hear.) He did not blame hon. gentlemen op posite for expressing their opinions freely against this bill ; but he did complain of the habitual misrepre sentation to which the measures of Government were subjected. (Hear.) The hon. member said Government must bow to public opinion. He (Mr. S. Herbert) knew they must ; and he did not hesitate to submit to the public opinion of this country on this bill, and ke believed when they saw the result of this bill they would ap prove of it. (Hear.) Mr. NAPIER deprecated the charge of misrepresen tation made against the lion. and learned gentleman (Mr. Whiteside) to whose speech he had listened with pleasure and pride. He (Mr. Napier) said this bill was an odious bill and was repugnant to the feelings of the peo ple of this country. (Hear, hear.) The Secretary at War could not defend the bill on the general ground of necessity for hiring foreign mercenaries ; but he was obliged to suggest that the troops they were to raise were men actuated by the "high moral motives" spoken of in the letter of Sir William Napier, where, in describ ing the German Legion, he said it was " well com posed," and was, indeed, a "national force, with high moral motives," Well, if that were so, why not at once declare it ? (Cheers.) The right hon. gentleman said the Government were not neglecting any means for car rying on the war with vigour—that, in fact, this was a mere supplement to their other e xertions. But what the people of England and of Irela nd said was, that the y had not yet enlistA th e whole o f their militia force ; and that when they had exha usted every other means at their command, then wo uld be the time to g o to 1 Germany and other places for a uxiliaries. To do other , wise was degrading to the country and deotructiy o of • Sir J. GRAHAM said he had no objection to grant ing this return, but he begged to be understood that he could be no party to another arctic expedition. NEW WRIT FOR NORWICH. A new ,grit wa.- ordered to be issued for Norwich in the room of S. M. Peto, Esq., who, since his election, had accapted the office of steward of her Majesty's manor of Northcote. The house then adjourned. BIRTHS. OF A BON. On the 15th inst., at Hythe, Kent, the wife of CapesJ. 11. Freeth, Royal Engineers. • Off A DAUGHTER. On the 17th inst., at Mevaginsey Vicarage, the wi fe Of the Rev. W. J. Alban. MARRIED. - - On the 18th inst., at St. Martin's Church, Birmingh am' John Henry Golborne, Esq., of Birkenhead, to M ary, tm e youngest daughtor of John Ransford, Esq., of Leamivr ton. On the 16th inst., William, son of the late W. Anderson Massey, Esq., of Fetheringhay, Northamptonshire, to 31 5 ' tilda, eldest daughter of the late W. Vink, Esq., o f Lon' don and Rotterdam. DIED. On the 20th inst., in South-street, General the Iligh / lion. Sir James Kempt, G.C.8., G.C.H., Colonel of die Ist or Royal Regiment. On the 16th inst., at Portla ndll "se, Ashton-und e r Lyne, Ann, wife of Charles Studley, Esq., m.p. a ged 4v . On the 13th inst., at Wantage, B er k s , the Rev. C. Dirt, 31. A., aged 59. . - P r inted and rubil6be,l by IL UltDO your . 2 r of NJ. 112, Strand, Printer, at The Sun Office, No. St ra nd, in the Precinct of the Savoy, in the MOW " mid s uexex, Thursday, Des:4lllbn 21, 1851