The Sun. — London, England, 1863-07-03 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT HOUSE OF LORDS--Last Evening. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack at five o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The Peterborough,Wisbeach, and Sutton Railway—Lon don and North Western(additional powers) Railway—Great Es stern Railway—Bonelli's Electric Company—Tamworth wad Harrington Bridge Roads—Madras Irrigation and 'Canal Company—Wakefield and Aberford Roads—Scot tish North Eastern and Dundee and Arb - , oath Railways Amalgamation—Lynn and Sutton 'Bridge Railway— Standedge and Oldham TurnpP2e Trust—Newhaven Har bour and Ouse Lower Navicgation—Wakefield Ings Road and. Hadlow Railway Bill% were read a second time. THI T AD READINGS. Aberystwith and Welch Coast Railway—Tendring Hun dreds Railway, aka London, Brighton, and South Coast Railway (Exter,sions and Alterations) Bills were read a thitd time and passed. THE INDIAN NAVY. _ _ The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH presented a petition from the naval and military officers of the late East Lelia Company' s Service, complaining of certain injustices that had been practised upon them in the matter of pensions and compensations, and praying for a commission of inquiry. The Duke of ARGYLL said he thought the officers in kin late East India Company's service had been very libe z-ally dealt with under the new regulations of the Govern ment of India. In all cases the pensions awarded were considerably over those awarded in the Royal Navy, and in many cases officers had been awarded pensions which were not given in her Majesty's service. Under all the circumstances he did not think there were any just ground for complaint. BRITISH COLUMBIA BOUNDARIES BILL. The Duke of NEWCASTLE, in moving the second reading of this bill, took the opportunity of referring to the improved prospects of Vancouver's Island, because a belief existed that this distant dependency had never prospered, and, what was more, never would. He said that the re moval of the authority of the Hudson's Bay Company had been attended with )he best results, as there had already been a great improvement in the state of the colony, and in a few years it would, without doubt, become a place of great importance. Although it had only been founr:ted four years, he had great satisfaction in inform ing their lordships that the name of Vancouver's Island would never again figure in the estimates of the House of Cotrmons. He considered this a great credit to the legis lature of the country. During the last year the revenue had doubled, and d uring that time no less than 1,000 miles of roads had been constructed—not of a temporary descrip tion, but of as good a description as would be found in England. Last year the revenue from these roads amounted to no less than £lO,OOO, but gratifying as the result was, it was confidently expected that the amount received this year would be not less than £20,000, thus enabling the colony to repay the loan of £lOO,OOO in about 5 years, when good and substantial roads would be open up to the foot of the Rocky Mountains. An arrangement was in progress between the Governments of Canada, British Columbia, and Vancouver's Island, for the purpose of making a telegraphic communication which, taking advantage of the roads made and being made, would complete a line of telegraph across the entire continent. This would be done by the colonies themselves. There would be no guarantee by the British Government. There was also a plan in contemplation, called the Intercolonial Railway, which would connect the Atlantic and the Pacific oceans through British North America; and when they considered the results to which such an opening would give rise, their expectations of the grand future which was before the British colonies in North America could hardly be too san guine. There were certain gentlemen in the City who had made arrangements to buy up the shares and rights of the Hudson's Bay Company for £1,500,000. They had applied to the International Financial Association for an advance, to enable them to pay down ready money for the purchase, and the arrangements had been finally made that very even ing. The International Financial Association had merely interposed to aid the purchLsers, and the new proprietors were resolved to open up the country under their control. He mentioned these facts, as he had heard that some noble lords intended to question him upon the reported purchase of the property of the Hudson's Bay Company. But, in fact, it was no purchase s It was a mere transfer from one set of shareholders to another, and the new proprietors had secured the valuable services of Sir Edmund Head, who had con sented to act as governor. The Earl of DONOUGHMORE thought the house and the Government ought to be very careful about what they were doing. The Hudson's Bay Company was a most obstructive body. They had kept the vast territory entrusted to their management a - howling wilderness, traversed only by wild animals, trappers, and hunters. They had opposed every attempt at colonisation. They held under a chillier of Ol'..arles 11., which gave them most extensive. rights, an'a if those rights were to be pre served and ed forced by the new_pro_plietoEs,the Govern- could say that the transaction was open and notorious. (Hear, b ear.) He wished to know what guarantee the Go vernwnt had that the new company would encourage coloro.sation. He wished also to know what arrangement had been come to with the American Government respect infS the disputed island of San Juan. Lord TAUNTON agreed with the Earl of Donoughmore in thinking that the transfer of the charter, shares, rights, and stock of the Hudson's Bay Company to a new company (for in fact it amounted to that) was a most dangerous transaction, and one which ought to be looked upon with very great jealousy, The old company had treated the Indians with. great care. The treatment of the red men in the Hudron's Bay territory contrasted most favourably with the.% which they received at the other side of the border. If any thing was to be changed in the management, the traditions of the company might possibly not be preserved, As to the colonies of British Columbia and Vancouver's Island, he had heard stories which deeply shaded the pic 4ures of prosperity drawn by the noble duke (of Newcastle). Ile had heard that English settlers carried on a most hor rible traffic in Indian women, whom they pm chased from the native tribes, and brought down to the settlements, where they hired them out for the vilest purposes, and then left them to perish by the most loathsome and abominable disease, or sent them back to spread contamination amongst their own people. The Duke of NEWCASTLE was unable to give any ocher information upon the subject of the transfer of the xig,hta and charters of the old to the new proprietors of the Hudson's Bay Company than that which he had already given. The company would not be a new one, for several of the old shareholders would remain. As to his having any right to interfere, and to obtain any special terms from the new shareholders, he had none. The shareholders did not require his sanction to buy or sell their shares. He had obtained what he considered very important concessions, but as to any permission from him., the shareholders did not require it. As to the condition of the Indian women, these crimes had existed for centuries mid ho did not see how they could be prevented, however much they might be deplored. The island of San Juan, it had been agreed, should be jointly occupied by British and American forces until the dispute could be finally adjusted. But the war in America had compelled the American Go vernment to concentrate all its power, and the force on San Juan had been withdrawn about two years ago. Every application to the American Government to settle the mat ter had been met by the reply that they h a d too much on their hands to leave them time to attend to so distant a settlement ; so the matters in dispute remitted still in abeyance. The bill was then read a second time. The following bills went through committee :—The N aval Medical Supplemental Fund Society Winding• up Act, 1861, Amendment, the Telegraphs, the Sheep and Cattle (Scot land), the Oaths Relief in Criminal Proceedings (Scotland), the Postmaster-General (Sale of Land), and the District Parochial Churches (Ireland). The Land Drainage (Provisional Orders) Bill, the Juris diction of Justices Bill, were read a second time. The Officers of Royal Naval Reserve Bill, the Sale of Mill Sites, &c. (Ireland) Bill, the Volunteers Bill, and the Regimental Debts, &c., Bill, were read a third time and passed. _ The report on amendments to the Local Government Supplemental (No. 2) Bill were agreed to. Their lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS—Last Evening. The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock. NEW MEMBERS. Mr. CARGILL (Berwick) and Mr. VERNER (Lisburn) took the oaths and their seats. PRIVATE BUSINESS. _ _ The Merthyr, Tredegar, and Abergavenny Railway Bill SOS read a third time. THE PURCHASE OF THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING. Mr. GREGORY presented a petition from the Finan cial Reform Association of Liverpool against the extra yagantf Arta on the outlay proposed in connection with ing ; also a petition from the Society this new build in groun d that it is exceedingly objectionable strictures einpoint of tas te, and the ridicule of foreigners, whose on l y mollified by the a ssurance that the building was were only temporary ; Lord EL CHO p resented two petitionsaageainst the purchas e of the building; Mr. CRAWFORD, from mer chants and bankers in the City of London to the same effect ; also by Mr. WHITE, from Brighton. HAWKERS' LICENCES. Mr. FERRAND gave notice that on Monday ho should ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether small hawkers were compelled to take out a licence. A CCIDENTS ON RAILWAYS. Mr. BENTINCK gave notice that on Friday, the 16th, on going into a committee of supply, he should bring the el,b3act of accidents before the house, and move a resolu mon thereon. POLAND. RORtsMAN gave notice that on an early day he VieaaOiose a resolution to the effect that the treaty of l ue bs ta violated in respect [to the good govern - Itussia, mem of v o u and that its continuance would be most calamitous to Poland and dangerous to the peace of Europe. REDUCTION OF INDIAN REGIMENTS. In reply to Col. SYKES, The Marquis of HARTINGTON stated that it had been determined to reduce by a troop each of the Indian cavaly; regiments, so as to place them on a footing will th e English regiments. POLAND. Mr. HORSMAN asked tb; Foreign Affairs on wb _ - tinder Secretary of State for day the English and French notes were received at St. Petersburg ; on what day the Austrian note was received ; on what day the several notes were presented to the Russian Minister ; and, whether the British Ambassador was instructed to keep back the English note till the Austrian note arrived ? Mr. LAYARD replied that the three notes were re ceived together, and delivered by the representatives of the three Powers to Prince Gortschakoff on the 27th, who said he should at once refer them for a reply to the Emperor. No instructions were given to the English Am bassador to keep back the English note till the Austrian note arrived. No reply had yet been received, nor could he undertake to say when there would be a reply. DISTRESS IN IRELAND. Sir It. PEEL stated, in reply to Mr. BAGWELL, that he was aware that some distress prevailed in Ireland. A good many exaggerated statements were put fo-ward in the newspapers. He had not receiveQ any ric mmunication from the Poor Law Commissioners. No case of actual starva tion bad reached him. lONIAN ISLANDS. Col. FRENCH asked the Under Secretary of State for the Colonies, in what manner the desire of the inhabitants of the lonian Islands to be annexed to the Kingdom of Greece was to be tested ? Mr. FORTESCUE apprehended by summoning the local Parliament for that specific purpose. Communica tions were now going on. THE WAR IN AMERICA.—MEDIATION. Mr. FORSTER, alluding to the debate the other evening, and the recent visit of two members of that house to Paris (Mr. Roebuck and Mr. Lindsay), called upon the hon. gentleman the Under-Secretary for Foreign Affairs for some explanation, Mr. LAYARD rose and asked the indulgence of the house whilst he entered at more than usual length into a reply to the question. (Cheers.) Mr. ROEBUCK would accede to this request provided the hon. gentleman would move the adjournment of the house. (Oh, oh.) Mr. LAYARD said grave and unprecedented charges had been made against the Government, and he claimed the indulgence of the house. Mr. ROEBUCK rose to order. (Much noise, and cries of "Oh, oh.") Mr. CONINGHAM—The hon. and learned member is not the dictator of this house. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) Mr. ROEBUCK desired to say that he hoped nothing would be put forward by the hon. member, to which a reply could not be immediately given. The SPEAKER ruled that the Under Secretary was in . order. Mr. LAYARD then explained at some length the whole course of proceeding. The hon. and learned member had charged the Government with a breach of confidence in improperly furnishing a confidential document to the Minister of a foreign Sovereign. He (Mr. Layard) stated on Tuesday that no communication had been received from the French Government tending to intervention or any other proceeding affecting the Northern and Southern States. He repeated now that no communi cation had been received to this effect since that of Novem ber last. (Hear, hear.) The French Minister for Foreign Affairs wrote to the French Ambassador in London on the 10th of October, but it was not com municated to her Majesty's Government till the 10th of November, and then only verbally, as no copy was furnished. Before the reply of the Government could be given, this document appeared in the ltioniteur on the 30th of November. (Hear, hear.) The Government, following that of France, published their reply in the Gazette on the 14th, The despatch was duly communicated to the Ame rican Government, but it was the 2d of December when Mr. Seward spoke to Lord Lyons—and for the first time — on the matter. (Hear, hear.) Mr. ROEBUCK asked if a comment had not been re ceived from the French Government in the spring of the present year again suggesting intervention ? Mr. LAYARD had made a strict search at the Foreign Office and could find nothing of the kind. (Hear, hear.) Lord R. CECIL asked if any verbal communication had been made? Mr. LAYARD replied that it was his solemn conviction that no communication of the kind had been made. (Hear, hear.) The subject then dropped. POLAND. In reply to Mr. BENTINCK, Mr. HENNESSY stated that he should endeavour to bring on his motion when all the papers were on the table of the house. BURLINGTON HOUSE AND THE EXHIBITION Lord J. MANNERS inquired if the Government would then state what appropriation was proposed to be made of the ground of Burlington House; and, secondly, under what management the Exhibition building was to be placed? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that with regard to the first question, it must depend upon the vote come to by the house relative to the Kensington estate. The second question he should defer answering until he made his statement later in the evening, in submitting the vote for the purchase of the building to the house. THE DEBATE ON THE AMERICAN WAR. Mr. ROEBUCK asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department when it would be convenient for him to bring on the adjourned debate ? Sir G. GREY understood that Monday week would be the first convenient day. Mr. BRIGHT regretted that the debate could not be taken before, so that the result might have gone out by the next mail. THE GIBRALTAR. Lord R. CECIL asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he was willing to lay upon the l i table, without reserve, all communications with respect to the detention of the vessel Gibraltar, which have passed be tween any officer or department of the Government and the collector of customs at Liverpool. Sir G. GREY said the matter had no reference to the Home Office, but rested with the Customhouse authorities. There would be no objection to lay on the table the commu nications thbt had passed between the Board of Customs and the collector of customs, so far as it related to the de tention of the Gibraltar. PENAL SERVITUDE COMMISSION. In answer to a question from Lord NA AS, who said an incorrect statement had been published relative to the report of the Penal Servitude Commission, Sir G. GREY said he received the report on Saturday, and ordered it to be laid on the table of the house on Mon day, which he believed was done. THE EXHIBITION BUILDING. On the motion for going into supply, Sir H. WILLOUGHBY called attention to the mode of proceeding with reference to the vote for the Exhibition building and Kensington estate. The noble lord on a for mer occasion laid a resolution on the table of the house for the purchase of the whole, but he suddenly altered its terms, and took a vote for a portion only. He wished to know if that was in accordance with the rules of the house. The SPEAKER decided in the affirmative, and the house went into committee of supply. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—I rise to votaenof £105,000 for the p urc h ase of the Exhibi tiond the commencing of cert a i n a l terations with a view f fitting a portion of it to its inte n d e d • purpose but proposes Building o before I prfiotcenegd to make that statement I wish it to b e un derstood that I intend to look at th e question as a dry mat ter of business, and I askhon. mupeomnber the s subject.toheare olutshbael-i be fore they form any judgment ezeraietnteoetbhye Ldpelite , :tufrol : to an c d lea t r o th g e ivo is t s h u e e, oo a na n in d itttooereto ounxtdenert: tanandd the a clearly discretiona nd weas f a u r l e l y goingas I . ctaon ask ke for,nature, an the d to e wish to be considered b ou oun gh d t state the restrictions by which w o c f ol t l h a e te c r o tt m o itthteeei:tshttaet, ifl . to W sta ith te r , e f ga or rd th t e o in th fo e r m in a a t t t i e a r n s the vote w e as k be granted, I shall, in pursuance . of it, give notice for lea ve to bring in a bill to authorise the separa tion of certain collections at the British Museum, because I consider the house, by a former vote, contemplated the separation ; and it would have been needless for us to raise the question, and ask for authority t o carr y it out, unless we were i n a condition to give effec t t o it by providing for the r earrangement of those collect i ons by the enlargement of the Mueettra on its present site, so as to afford the greatest amount of accommodation. In the next case, I wish to clear all misapprehension in respect to it, and that enables me to give an answer to the second question put to me by the noble lord (Lord J. Man ners)—viz., that we propose to place the management and the control of this property, in case the committee should sanction its purchase, not in the hands of any subordinate department, or any department having partial responsi bility, but in the hands of the Treasury, in order that re sponsibility might be as direct and summary as possible, and that all inquiries should be addressed direct to the head of the Government. (Hear, hear.) 1 now, therefore, proceed to a very irksome portion of my duty, and one which no thing but an absolute necessity would ever have induced me to enter; but I have no choice. The hon. member for Galway. in a speech made by him on a former occasion, gave the house his opinion of the ability of Mr. Mallett, a gentleman who, up to that time, was unknown to me ; and I considered it my duty afterwards to inform myself who and what that gentleman is. The hon. gentleman said he was an eminent engineer, and drew out, under Sir C. Barry, the whole of the working plans for the Houses of Parliament. It is but right that I should do justice to Mr. Mallett, and I find that he is a very ingenious and clever gentleman, and he is best known by the production of a work on earth quakes. (Laughter.) if the question was not about the con struction, but the destruction of public buildings, I don't he sitate to say that that gentleman, from his persistent consi deration of that subject, would be a considerable authority. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) Mr. Mallett is also known as the inventor of a certain mortar that is now to be seen lying THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, JULY 3, 1863 in Woolwich yard, and Ido not think it is ..ed;catieli of safe guidance for the committee iT uottti etexpeiik, when I say that that ingenir -0 ',loth': *a's tried three or four times, and on . Otte it required alteration, and cost the count- 04'0, 'and it ended in its lying in the yard at Toolwieh. (Oh, oh, and Question.) Ido not ask the cora znittee to take anything on my credit, but I invite the hon. member for Galway to move for the production of the whole correspondence relating to these trials. (Oh, oh, and Ques tion.) Surely it is of importance to the committee that they should know something about this gentleman. But I now come to the direct statement that Mr. Mallett is the eminent engineer who had been employed under Sir C. Barry in im portant functions in connection with the houses of Parlia ment, and during the speech of my hon. friend I made at tempts to find out the biography of this gentleman. I found that the hon. member for Finsbury knew nothing about him ; but the hon. member for Bach said he knew who he was, and that he drew all the working plans for the Houses of Parliament. months ; £60,000 if in twelve months ; and between £60,000 and £70,000 if in eighteen months. I have now come to the last portion of the subject, and will have to entreat the time of the committee only for a short time further. It is true, the executive Government, in dealing with the ques tion of the acquisition of a great mass of property, must have regard not only to the private convictions of the House of Commons, but also the prepossessions of the House ; feeling confident that lapse of time will considerably modify them. Now this is our position : we have got to provide for three urgent public wants; the want of a national por trait gallery is urgent. (Laughter.) I admit it is not a want upon which the existence of the State depends. (Re newed laughter.) But if you have a national portrait gal lery, it ought to be where people can go and see it. They cannot do this at present, for in the house in Great George. street ten persons could not be accommodated at one time in any of the rooms, and not five if they were ladies. An other great want is the Patent Museum. The Commission ers of Patents have been pressing the Treasury for ac commodation, and if we are unable to find a place for them at Kensington, we shall have to provide a sum of £220,000 to enable them to build a museum for them selves, The third want was to provide a suitable place for the natural history collection at the British Museum. We desire to satisfy these three urgent wants, and we have no means of sat sfying them within a definite time, except by appropriating some portion of the site at Ken sington. We wi,h to satisfy these wants, and we also wish to consult the inclinations and prepossessions, and, I will go so far as to add, the prejudices entertained in the House of Commons ; and before we pledge ourselves incon veniently to any public expenditure, in all probability the matter will be settled. We have considered in what way these urgent public wants could be satisfied, and I hold in my hand ocular demonstration of the means—that is to say, I have a plan which will explain distinctly and intel ligibly to the committee the mode by which we propose to apply the vote we now ask them to give. This portion of the plan shows that part of the building looking towards the north. It has appeared to the Government that public opinion is totally adverse to the destruction of the picture galleries. (Cries of No, no, and Hear, hear.) This pro posal involves the maintenance of the picture galleries, but I don't want the committee to come to any conclusion with regard to the exterior. We propose that this branch of the question should stand over Ifroorfeuall cheers.)lerdiscusioTnhuepgornoutnhde miscellaneous estimates. (Ironical floor of the galleries will afford not superfluous, but ample accommodation for patents; the other part of the plan or drawing has relation to the northern part of the building, and for which it will be necessary to make another proposal. We propose a sum of £120,000 for seventeen acres of land, which land includes the site of a building locking towards the Horticultural Gardens, and forming a large portion of the north front of the structure ; the cost price of which may be taken at £30,000. It is so difficult for persons who have no taste to approach a matter of this kind, that I bow with entire humility. (A laugh.) This fagade being considered convenient and unobjectionable, and being connected with the Horticultural Gardens, we propose to preserve; but we do not propose to deal with the exterior of any part of the building ; only adapting the galleries for the patents, and a space of about 2 acres adjacent to the Horticultural Gardens—but not at all in terfering with the dome—(laughter) — in order to take pre liminary measures for preparing it for the reception of the natural history collection at the British Museum. The exterior of the building will remain as it is, pending the de claration of the pleasure of Parliament, and the public will have time to consider what Government, or what a com mittee or a commission may recommend. Lord R. CECIL—Does the right hon. gentleman begin by buying the building ? (Hear, hear, and laughter.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER —We take the land and building as they stand ; but we do not pro pose to make any arrangement with regard to the land or the building beyond the adaptation of the picture galleries and about 2 1 acres for the purpose of the British Museum. So that we give up the dome, and only ask authority to deal with 41 acres, instead of 8 acres originally mentioned. Now, with respect to the financial aspect of the question, I think I shall be able to sate the finances with perfect precision. We have got to pay £120,000 for the land, and for the build ing upon a portion of that land a further sum of £30,000. We have also to pay the contractors 180,000 ; and I have ascertained that the cost of adapting the building to the purposes I have already described will cost another sum of £90,000. The total sum I have to ask the committee to pledge itself for is £290,000. According to one estimate the cost of the picture galleries was put at £90,000, and in an other at £BO,OOO. Well, then, we have the land, which is worth £250,000; commissioners' buildings, £30,000; the picture galleries, £BO,OOO. Or, to put it in another point of view, we will have 41 acres h o e r ei sa s c , wrese will adap avtehdien l th 2 ; manner I have stated, and, besides, acres of a site and the removable value of the building. We reccmmend you a plan that is not discreditable to the times greater national taste, while at the same time it will serve highly useful and important national objects, and by adopting ihe7ig r ht hon. gentle which we avoid long delays, infinite vexations, endless disputes, public discredit, and even an exnendi tre... publicpublic nselty. askew two, <c, three. iee rs) Luau conducted by proposing a vote for £105,000. In an swer to Lord Eleho, the right hon. gentleman said that Messrs. Kelk and Lucas had offered to keep the building in proper repair for three years, for a payment of £2,000 do wn, and £1,500 a year for the three years. In answer to Mr. Coningham, he also stated that Professor Owen most em phatically and warmly approved of the interior of the build ing towards the north for the natural history collection of the British Museum, that being the point where the Govern ment proposed to place it. Lord ELCHO rose to move the rejection of the vote for the purchase of the International building at Kensington Gore. In doing so, he said he was not surprised that the noble lord the member for Stamford had asked across the floor whether the Government intended or not to purchase the whole of this building, for there had been so many changes on the part of the Government to this vote, that he should like to know how the question stood. It now appeared that the Government did intend to purchase the whole of the building, and they asked for a sum of ;£BO,OOO for that purpose. They now proposed to keep the picture gallery and the part of the building in the rear towards the Horticultural Gardens. The Government, to use a military phrase, had changed their front. They had modified their vote, and now asked the house to treat the question simply as a matter of detail, and to sweep away from consideration the report of Mr. Hunt on the state and condition of the building. He objected to take the advice of his:right hon. friend without the estimate of Mr. Hunt. He asked the house to refuse the proposal on the ground that, whether the whole or part of the building was taken, it was objec tionable on the score of sound sense, sound economy, and good taste. He wished to guard himself from being sup posed to be opposed to the promotion of science and art. He had voted for the purchase of the land, because he thought it a good bargain; but the observations which had fallen from the Chancellor of the Exchequer had given a totally different colouring even to that vote. That land at £5,000 an acre might be dearer than at £50,000 per acre, if its title obliged them to purchase this building, or to run the chance of an action to get rid of it legally. He believed, however, t b r o a t public or te clear opinion away thed c an followed, because they purchased the land , therefore they were to purchase the building upon it, or that it would be nion building, law and ow thatu would i t b force by n t o h me con tractors economical or wise to do so. On what grounds were they recommended to purchase it. Was it on account of beauty ? So far from that, it was only by a liberal use of the trowel and cement that it could be made tolerably pleating to the eye. As regarded its fitness, it was to be turned to a pur pose for which it was not originally designed ; and, as re garded its solidity, they had reports of surveyors by which it appeared that the building required to be wholly renewed from skylight to floors, and even beneath, for it was proposed to lay beneath the floors 12 inches of concrete. He did not think it could possibly be economy to maintain such a build. ing as that. The hon. member quoted at some length from the report of Mr. Hunt. to show the nature of the renewals which would be required ; said that the report of Mr. M al lett, which had been referred to on a previous occasion by the hon. member for Galway, was not so condemnatory of the building as that of Mr. Hunt ; and then, referring to the petition of the Institute of British Architects, vindi cated the claim of the opinion of that body to be considered in connection with this matter. Quoting the opinion of a committee of that body which had condemned this Exhibi tion as unfit to be rendered permanent, he proceeded to read other portions condemning sepecifically the plan proposed by the Government for rendering the picture galleries avail able. After the report of Mr. Hunt and the opinion of the Institute of British Architects, he did not know whether the house would be still of opinion that the building was so great a bargain. Had ever a case been heard of a private individual bt w ahe h aes o had sum mti intention n i t n ,t v hb e eu s ot t pf invested proportion spending or O i simply t o n n a to omo f n na xkot that old tto tumble-down ahouse,tey waterproof trnotohotfaita: n hmdouul habitablest improveei multiplying with lyai nnd g, the sums by one thousand, was what the right hon. gentle maniaa pn h r pdpo e romto truth rhvptteoano nt f. realth(was,Hat such (Hear, ai a object r the: design, h was w ar e o.1)eo He athingrne dmwas o he v w e a s h surethep the Chan ce ll or of the E xc h equer now proposed. He could not held thi n ki ng t h at t h ere was something more be hind the prop osa l than the public had yet heard of. (Hear.) T "plant"—(laughter) hd p ae l ttaihnoent public' a ' —1 Galleryw house( a o u u gwl would h would not likewise refuse to sanction it. There was, however, anoth er it " r s t question authorities,W,himposition,i ch theyin architecture, had a to consider, and it was the [m ore m :involved a principle—he meant what should guid e th em in the matter of decoration. He objected to all sham d ecoration, and he was supported by one of the fi ea vulgarity, Mr. an Ruskin, impertinence,w ho described and a sin. H n a nadd oeapplied imitater an , thteo thehear.)rp he D sus e m s w p ah i of n t i e efha c t that, a( (Laughter.) swell-known t u h g e h G t eor . v lady d r s n yh m , eme covered an pro posede to roughcoat Vac, walls of the building with falsehood, t the cheeks of dilapidated and questionable beauties with a substance which was said to make them beautiful for ever. The noble lord at the head of the Government and the Chancellor of the Exchequer now stood before the country as the Madame Roches of architecture—(laughter)—for they proposed to cover the building with a composition which was to have a similar effect. There was, however, this difference between them. Madame Rachel's price was, he believed, £l,OOO, lie had never been called upon to pay it himself—(laughter)—but he hoped if there were anyhon. member in the house who had paid it, he would tiae and state to the house the eXact slim. (Laughter.) He believed, however, that Madame Rachel's price wag as he bad stated, but there was this difference between her system and that of the noble lord and his right hon 4 friend : her composi tion cost £l,OOO, but lasted for ever; theirs would cost £45,000, and would last, not for ever, but only for a *neon. (Hear, hear.) The argument of the noble lord was that it would be in company with other stucco buildings. (Laugh ter.) But would it ? On the contrary, he was aware that it was the intention of the Marquis of 'Westminster, when his leases fell in, to sweep away the whole of Grosvenor place, and to rebuild it with stone and marble. (Hear.) Hon, members need not be alarmed at the intelligence. The rents would not be much increased—(laughter)—for he believed that the difference between the cost of brick and more durable materials in such structures was not more than 5 per cent. Every influence had been brought to bear to thrust the vote down the throat of the house. Balls, concerts, and bazaars had been held in the building to make it popular. He did not object to the bazaar for the benefit of Incurables, because it was germane to the place—(laugh ter)—but it was a remarkable fact that, in the case of the old Exhibition building of 1851, the contractors were posi tively restrained by legal injunction f:om allowing anything of the kind to take place within its walls. In conclusion, the noble lord maintained that the rejection of the vote in no way involved disrespect to the memory of the Prince Consort, whose published speeches constituted a monument more enduring and remarkable than any which could be raised to his name by the country or the house, and called on the committee to reject the proposition for the purchase of a building which was condemned alike by private, by public, and b) professional opinion. (Hear, hear,) Mr TITE explained that Mr. Mallett had been employed in connection with the iron work, and repudiated the idea that there was any dirty jealousy in the minds of the gene ral body of architects against Capt. Fowke. The Council of Architects bad, however, almost unanimously condemned the building, and there was a unanimous feeling in the ar tistic world against its remaining. Mr. BENTINCK said there was one peculiarity about the House of Commons—they were very regular in their meals. (About 200 members had just retired in a body to dinner.) He condemned the building generally as a vast monument of extravagance and ugliness, and supported Mr. Mallett's opinion of it entirely. It had been thrown out as a reproach against Mr. Mallett that he had had nothing to do with the erection of the Houses of Parliament; but if there was one thing more than another that ought to commend Mr. Mallett's judgment as an architect, it was that he had no connection with the greatest mass of extravagance, bad taste, and inconvenience that ever was put together. (Hear, hear.) If they once sanctioned the purchase of the building, no one could say what would be the expense they would ultimately be called upon to incur to carry out the proposed scheme. It was one of the most extravagant and ono of the most unjustifiable proposals that was ever made to the house, and he hoped it would be re jected. What, he asked, would the operatives in the North say to this expenditur, when such small assistance was offered to them, but that it was a wasteful expenditure of money, and that the sympathy that had been expressed for their distress was simulated ? Sir J. SHELLEY opposed the vote. He dreaded the expense they would be put to if they purchased the build ing, by men of taste who would be called in to ornament the structure. With the best wish to support the institu tion at South Kensington, he believed that he should best be doing his duty to the public by giving his vote to raze the building to the ground. Mr. COWPER said that what the right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer had said about the con tract did not appear to be thoroughly understood. The commissioners of the Exhibition of 1851, who were the pro prietors of the land, had covenanted with the commissioners of the Exhibition of 1862 that the land should be cleared within six months after the conclusion of the Exhibition, and they naturally assumed that some legal document had been signed by the contractors in their engagements with the committee of the Exhibition of 1862, to give force to that covenant; and it was only recently that it was dis covered that the commissioners of 1862 had failed to obtain any covenant to bind the contractors as to time. If the Chancellor of the Exchequer had been aware of that fact at the time of proposing the vote, he would have mentioned it. The noble lord (Lord Elcho) had made an able speech in moving the rejection of the vote ; but he had failed to grapple with the question put before the committee by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. That proposal only in volved an expenditure of £290,000, and the retention of those portions of the building which were permanent, as distin guished from those which were of a temporary character, for the purposes of the British and Patent Museums, leav ing for future consideration the question how the remaining portion of the land should be disposed of. The estimate of Mr. Hunt had only been put before the house to afford the information of what would be the maximum expense if the whole building were made permanent and substantial. Mr. Hunt bad based his estimate on the cost of eovering the front with stucco, but that would not preclude the use, if the house should think fit, of bricks, terracotta tiles, or earthenware. If the house should resolve to use Portland stone, no one would be better pleased than he should; but that was a question in no way involved in the present vote. He denied there was any intention to transfer the pictures from the National Gallery to the new building at Kensing ton-gore, and went into details to show that in point of eco nomy the proposition of the Government was the best which could be proposed for giving the accommodation required for the British and Patent Museums. Mr. C. BENTINCK said that the Chancellor of the Ex chequer and the right hon. gentleman who had just sat down, had told the committee that Government wished to treat this matter as one of business ; but of all unbusinesslike proceedings this was the most so. They had just heard from the First Commissioner of Works that the House of Commons had bought a property with a bad title. (Mr. Cowper dis sented.) It was clear to him that there was a flaw in the title. The purchase had been made by the house in ignorance of that, or it certainly would not have bought the property, That opened the question as to the impression on the minds of the commissioners of 1862 with regard to the ultimate desti nation of the building. It was a matter of surprise to him that this important question had been delayed to so late a period of the session. There appeared to be an intention on the part of the commissioners that the building should be come the property of the nation ; but he trusted that was not the intention of the House of Commons. The. hon gen tleman then complained of the silence of the Treasury bench, but he was not surprised at it, for, whenever they had a bad case, they always declined to speak. It was only by driblets that the house got any information at all on the subject. He had no doubt that Captain Fowke at all events knew that the building was to be permanent—(heer, hear) -- and, if so, they were entitled to ask for what purpose it was intended. To what use were they going to apply the building ? for it was evident the Patent Museum scheme was only put forward to hoodwink the public. The British Museum only required five acrese—the miserable por trait gallery was now contained in three or four small rooms and everyone knew that the national collection of pictures could never be removed to Kensington. He gave his most cordial support to the amendment of his noble friend. Mr. F. DOULTON said it appeared to him that the owl duct of the Government in this matter had been, to say the least, very disingenuous. (Hear.) It was a very significant fact that they had not as yet been favoured with the opinions of any, of the gentlemen on the front Opposition bench. (Hear.) Outside the house, h owever, i t was rumoured that they were in complete accord with the Government. Well, if that were so, it was not the first time, for whenever a great abuse was to be perpetrated the front benches were usually in agreement. Lord H. LENNOX said he should vote for the proposi tion of the Government, because he believed if they did not arrange the matter now they would continue, so far as re garded :heir art and scientific institutions, in a state of chronic confusion and congestion. (Hear, hear.) Mr. GREGORY opposed the vote, and in doing so com plained of the attack which the Chancellor of the Exchequer had made on Mr. Mallett. It was true that Mr. Mallett had ,vritten a work on earthquakes—(laughter)—but it was as illiberal to decry his engineering ability on that ground as it would be to object to the right hon. gentleman's finan cial ability because he had written a book on theology— (laughtcr)—or published profound theories about Homer. (Hear, and laughter.) He believed that the spirit of stucco was ono of the characteristic credos of tho Kensington School, and if they were to assent to the proposal of Govern ment they would be inaugurating a reign of stucco. Sir S. NORTHCOTE said the discussion had gone beyond the limits of a business-like debate, owing to the Chancellor of the Exchequer having been the first to depart from the question at issue. He charged the Government with not having brought forward a clear, distinct, and defi nite proposition in reference to this matter ; and after re ferring to the defeat of the Government proposition last year for the re-arrangement of the British Museum, he condemned the course pursued by the Government this session in dividing the vote, which prevented the subject from being then properly sifted, or discussed in such a manner as its importance demanded. Great fault was also to be found with the Government for withholding from the knowledge of the House the fact that, though they had purchased the land, they were at the mercy of the contractors when they would give it up to the country ; and the want of information on what was to be the future proceedings of the Government rendered it impossible for hon. members to come to a satisfactory divi sion on the matter. He observed that the opposition to the vote was based on different objections, and some of those who did sl did it, not on the grounds of true economy, but on the ground of beauty and ornamentation, which in reality meant greater expense, rather than not being in ac cordance with national taste. (Hear, hear, and No, no.) He cautioned true economists how they allied themselves on this occasion with those who would lead them in future years into great and extravagant expense. (Hear, hear.) A great injustice had been done to Captain Fowke by the noble lord (Elcho) in comparing the stuccoing of the building to the painting by Mdme. Rachel, and thereby impute to him what he disclaimed—viz., that he was an advocate for stucco. (Crites of Divide, divide.) He would not weary the house much longer, but his object was to move an amendment--(cries of Move, move)—but it was necessary to give some explanation before doing so. (Cries of Oh, oh, Divide, and Move.) The site had been obtained on favourable and reasonable terms— (loud cries of Divide from both sides of the house, and, as the hon. member could not be heard, he moved that the Chairman report progress, which announcement was re ceived with cheers,) Mr. LOWE rose to give certain explanations to the hon. member for Taunton, but he was received with such loud cries of Order and Divide, that he was inaudible. Mr. DISRAELI, who next attempted to speak, was received in a similar manner by his own immediate sup porters, as well as the more impatient on the Ministerial side of the house. There were also loud cries for Mr. Bernal Osborne and " Divide," mingled with other mani festations of displeasure. The Chairman in vain called for order, and Mr. Disraeli was obliged to resume his seat with out being heard. The question for reporting progress was put and nega tived amidst the confusion that prevailed. Lord R. CECIL succeeded in gaining a few moments of attention, during which he implored the committee to con duct themselves in a more orderly manner and not interrupt the discussion of what he characterised as an unpopular vote. The CHAIRMAN,—The question is that I report progress. Mr. DISRAELI said—Mr. Massey, I desired, with hu • mility, to offer the house advice, because I thought they were pursuing a course which they would afterwards regret. I was not present on a previous occasion, and therefore I was not responsible for the course which the house then adopted, and for the precipitation with which it may have acted. What I wish to point out to the committee at this moment is the remarkable position in which they may unwittingly place themselves, The Government have brought forward a motion of considerable importance ; no member on this bench has spoken, though we have been challenged to do so ; the hon. member for Stamford was explaining his views, and was about to offer an amendment of considerable moment—he was about to propose that the question should be sent before a select committee, before which the question might be fully discussed. (Cries of " No, no," and " Divide, divide.") After a few words from Sir H. WILLOUGHBY, which were wholly inaudible in the gallery, Mr. DI -RAELI said he did not intend to give the amendment of his right hon. friend accurately. It was, however, in perfect unison with the forms of the house. Sir R. CLIFTON said sufficient time had been devoted to the discussion, and suggested that the committee should at once come to a conclusion on the vote. The motion to report progress was then negatived with out a division. Sir S. NORTHCOTE raid the amendment he now wished to propose was that the vote be reduced by the sum Of £25,000. That would give an opportunity for a select com mittee to decide on the question of the site: Mr. HENLEY objected to both the proposition of the Government and the amendment, as both pledged the house to an indefinite expenditure to which he could see neither limit nor end. By rejecting both it would give time to the Government to consider the whole question maturely, and bring forward well-digested plans and esti mates for the employment of all the land. At present it had been put before the house in so unsatisfactory a man ner, that they were not in a position to tonne to a fair judg ment. The hon. member complained, too, that the Govern ment had appeared to have practised some concealment on tha house in regard to purchasing the land. Sir S. M. PETO next, amid loud cries of "Divide," ad dressed a few words to the committee, which did not reach the gallery. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then rose to say a few words in reply. He first suggested, as a matter of general convenience, that the amendment should be with drawn, and then proceeded to deny that any concealment had been practised in regard to the purchase of the land. He had himself stated that it was not likely that possession of the land would be obtained in less than two years. What he said was that, even with a contract, it would be very difficult to get possession of the land in 1864. He never meant to say that Messrs. Kelk and Lucas would make a vexatious exercise of their power; what he said was that, like men of business, those gentlemen would simply endea vour to obtain the best market for their materials. The right hon. gentleman opposite said the Government had no proposal of a clear and distinct character to offer. He main tained, however, that their proposal was perfectly plain and distinct. They proposed to deal with four and a half acres of this land, and to apply the money asked for to that land, reserving all question as to the remaining 121 acres for future consideration. That would inv,,lve no pledge whatever, and if it was determined that the building on the 121 acres should be removed, it could be removed, and a considerable sum would be received for the value of the land. Sir S. NORTHCOTE then announced that he with drew his amendment, reserving to himself, however, power to renew it at a future stage in case the vote were now carried. The committee then divided, and when, after the usual interval, the tellers approached the table, and the assist ant clerk was seen to hand the paper on which the num bers were inscribed to Lord Riche, who, with Mr. Gre gory, acted as teller for the opponents of the vote, there was a general burst of cheering, which was renewed with redoubled vigour when the result was proclaimed as follows: Ayes Noes 287 Majority against the vote -166 The house then resumed. ELECTION PETITIONS BILL. On the order for going into committee on this bill, Mr. HODGSON moved that the bill be committed that day six months ; and after a long discussion the amend ment was accepted without a division, and so the bill was lost. The amendments to the Vaccination (Scotland) Bill were considered and agreed to. The Lords' Amendments to the Salmon Fisheries (Scot land) Act Continuance Bill were considered and agreed to. The Public Works and Fisheries Acts Amendment Bill was read a second time. _ _ _ The Poor Law Board Continuance Bill and the Loan Societies Bill were read a third time and passed. The Militia Ballots Suspension Bill passed through com mittee. The Lords• amendments to the Security from Violence Bill were considered and agreed to. The Stipendiary Magistrates Bill, as amended, was con sidered REFRESHMENT ROOMS (HOUSE OF COMMONS). Colonel FRENCH called attention to the report of the Kitchen and Refreshment Rooms committee, and moved that the enlargement of the dining rooms should be carried into effect. Mr. AYRTON moved that the debate be adjourned. The house divided. The numbers were— Ayes Noes Majority„ The debate was then adjourned. WESTMINSTER NEW PALACE APPROACHES. On Mr. Tite's proceeding to nominate the select com mittee on this subject, An HoN. MEMBER moved that the house be counted, and there not being forty members present, the house ad journed at ten minutes to two o'clock. Mr. TITE--Not quite so. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—I will withdraw my statement. (Hear, hear.) I certainly under stood so. All I mean is, that, having heard from my hon. friend that Mr. Mallett was a gentleman who had per formed important public duties in connection with the Houses of Parliament—l mention this as a matter of fact, and not of disparagement—l and the contractors made some inquiries respecting him ; and 1 hold in my hand two rather curious letters illustrative of the statement made by the hon. member fur Galway, which I invite him and the committee to appreciate. The right hon. gentle man then read extracts from two letters received b 3 him, the one from Mr. Banks, of the firm of Banks and Barry, architects. Mr. Banks said, "In reply to your (the Chan cellor of the Exchequer's) question as to Mr. Mallett's con nection with the new Palace at Westminster, I most con• fidently assert that that gentleman has in no way, directly or indirectly, been engaged upon the works. I can speak with confidence upon the subject, as I was chief assistant of Sir Charles Barry. Mr. Mallett was simply a visitor to the works for his own gratification.' And then Mr. Meason writes, " In reply to your communication, I have to say that my connection with the Palace at Westminster commenced in 1844, when I was engaged by Sir Charles Barry as his principal assistant, and it lasted till 1856, and during all this time Mr. Richard Mallett had no connection with the building." Well, so much for Mr. Mullett's employment upon the construction of the magnificent Palace at West minster. It certainly does appear that at one time Mr. Mallett had as a partner Mr. Frederick Barry, an engineer, and I think that through that circumstance my hon. friend may have been led into an error, and probably also he may have confounded Mr. Mallett with Mr. Meason. At any rate, what I claim is that the authority of Mr. Mallett shall be wholly and absolutely withdrawn from this matter. (No, no.) I have not one word of retractation to utter with re spect to the estimates and figures prepared by Mr. Hunt; for upon examination by competent persons they have been entirely confirmed. Our object was to guide members to a right conclusion, and to that end we employed a most com petent gentleman to inquire what sum would be necessary to bring the building into a state of substantial repair with a view to permanent uses, and with a minimum of decora tion. The estimate of Mr. Hunt I believe to be perfectly trustworthy, but it would be an idle dream to suppose that those figures could be accepted as anything wore than a basis for ascertaining the sum for which the building might be made complete for practical purposes. However, a peti tion has been presented from the Society of Architects against the adaptation of the building for the purposes proposed. (Cheers.) Well, I shall not attempt to follow the allega tions of the petition, for by far the greater portion of them are beside the vote now before the committee, though the time may arrive when they will require to be taken into consideration. (Hear.) At the same time I demur alto gether to the opinion formed by these six or eight gentle men, even if they could be accounted at the head of their profession. I believe their opinion was formed upon a sin gle visit to the building. But the truth is, this petition is very far from containing the names of the heads of the pro fession of architects. I admit that Professor Donaldson is a man of eminence, that Mr. Fergusson has written a very ingenious book, and is a very clever man; but lam not aware that Mr. Fergusson has ever erected a public build ing, or that he is a practical architect in that sense. At any rate this I may be permitted to observe, that the proceedings of the Society of Architects were not founded upon any re port from such men as Mr. Hardwicke, Mr. Cockerel!, Mr. Smirke, Messrs. Banks and Barry, Mr. Scott ; and although I have not thought it to be my duty to go about canvassing architects, I say that those gentlemen who are in the main the heads of their profession are not in any sense parties to this proposal, and that I have in my possession letters from two of them, namely a letter from Mr. Smirke and a letter from Mr. Scott, referring certainly to that which is one of the smallest parts of the whole question—the exterior de coration of the building—and giving it as their deliberate opinion that it is capable of being so treated, in respect of its exterior surface, as to be made a very handsome build ing. (Loud and prolonged laughter.) Gentlemen may be assured I do not intend to indulge in any enthusiasm about the building—(Laughter, and ironical cries of " Hear, its general terms, at the same time that the language of these two gentlemen amounts to that. (Cries of "Read, read.") Well, to take the first sentence of Mr. Smirke's letter. He says, "I am not prepared to say that the outside of the building is not susceptible—(laughter) —of being made extremely ornamental. (Renewed laughter, and cries of "Read, read.") I certainly am not going to enter into the question between cement and stone, and the various bricks and terracotta. No Chancellor of the Exchequer can pretend to taste—he cannot have any—it is the la't thing he dreams of, to put himself in competition with any of those great lights and luminaries upon matters of taste, whom we are so fortunate as to have in such numbers amongst us. (Laughter.) But I would direct the serious attention of the committee to the situation of difficulty in which we shall be placed if, after taking the important step of agreeing to the purchase of seventeen acres of ground— (ironical cheers)—ue should stop short, and say that we shall do nothing more. Now, my desire is not to say one word injurious to the public interest ; but this I must, affirm, that there is no obligation whatever of a written or specific character upon the contractors to remove the building within any given time at all. (Murmurs of dissent.) Of course there are obligations incumbent upon them by the general law. As possessors of the freehold we should have a right to go into courts of justice and eject the contractors; and then, having entered, we might remove the building, sub ject to making no unnecessary waste of the property, and to an accountability to the contractors for the net proceeds. Well, that is not a remedy of very summary operation. I see opposite to me gentlemen of great authority, who know full well at what time, by a series of hostile measures, we should succeed in ejecting the contractors, removing the building, and restoring the surface, which is not within the contract at all. At the end of two years we would find our selves in possession of a "tabula rasa" of 16 acres, and then we should have to face a greater architectural question than this house has ever yet entertained, namely, how to dispose of the site, unprecedently large, what building to place upon it, what architect to employ, what style to adopt, and lastly, what money would be required for the purpose. (Hear, hear.) Well, that is one of the alternatives before us if you determine to refuse this vote. I come now to the question of price. There is an opinion upon the part of the minority that we are going to offer the contractors an extra • vagant price for the building. Now we want to cover thin 17 acres of land with a building suited for public purposes, and it is obvious that there is an immense advantage in having the materials upon the spot. On that account also it is obvious that the materials now there are worth more to us than to one who seeks to realise their value when re moved. The first price announced by the contractors—the minimum price—was £120,000 ; and we were informed that we might take the building at that price, or leave it there. Well, all things considered, I;cannot think that the contrac tors were making any very extravagant demand. The sum they received for erecting the building was £230,000, and its cost, when reduced by Mr. Fowler to an absolute mini mum, was £300,000. We refused that demand, and de clined to pay £lOO,OOO. Subsequently, Messrs. Kelk and Lucas made a communication to my hon. friend the mem - ber for Finsbury (Sir S. M. Peto), and having been in formed by him that he was in a condition to negotiate with me on their behalf, the first thing we agreed which should be done was to ascertain the net removable value. Mr. Hunt was empl o y e d , and told to devote his time, without reserve,ww went na tatolww t a o yors a k s liable e e f o r r t a se i n v i te n or g a lv wa t r h ei e e o kt is n o, neatni in estimate. e h m e so o t i v rm a e b ap l to e er. t e v d a lue, which Mr. Hunt me that wouldt hen e tnremovable o v n a t l r u a e o t o o r f a th i f e t h b e u y i l w d i e n r g o s e , m the I s e u d m t o they would net to the contractors, if they were compelled to re move them within six months, and make forced sales of the materials, was £48,000. I then asked Mr. Hunt this ques tion, whether, if we were to submit the matter to an impar tially chosen umpire, that such a person would give us a sum not much below £48,000, or not much above it ? Mr. Hunt said he could give us no assurance whatever. This estimate of the removable value was taken upon conditions totally different from the conditions that exist. It was taken upon the supposition that the contractors were obliged to pull down the building at once. I believe I command the assent of the committee when I say that the contractors are not under any specific obligation to remove the building within a certain time. (No, no.) lam really sorry to find expressions of dissent ; but the fact is this, that the com missioners of 1862 have no contract whatever with the con tractors with respect to the time within which they are to remove the building. (Not no.) lam sorry to hear gen tlemen express dissent, but I run endeavouring to give a true statement of facts. (Hear, hear.) There is no con tract. Mr. Hunt having made the proposal to me, and the s n r w e a o p k l e di shoulded a t a ha r t o e , ife offer havingfrom have now discharged your official duty, but what do you e think would be a fair offer to make the contractors ?" He li t t h t l o s e ' l e al c . been stated, I said to him, "You I said we could not do anything of the kind, but subsequently, vier i e w to m m o a t k o e x awno,ooffoeor for r r h . e building, through my hon, friend derstanding Wa s corn the building, and he assured to that £BO,OOO should be the price of have realised a larger the member for Finsbury, an . un assured me that the contractors could there was very difference The of Mr. Hunt an d com be m tw it e te e e n Mr. Fowler. Mr. pewi a er un , ate of the eminent engineer, stoestimate was £50,000 if the contractors were compelled wtohueld estimate ro that a te remove the building in six SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. WORCESTER SUMMER MEETING.—THURSDAY A Handicap Plate of 50 sow, for all ages; winners extra. About a mile. Mr. Wadlow's Flexmore, 4 yrs, Bst (Challoner) 1 Mr. Lincoln's Queen of Clubs, 3 yrs, 7st ~( Williamson) 2 Mr. Noble's Teddy, 6 yrs, Bst 121 b (Speight i 3 Mr, Andrews's Miss Hawthorne, 4 yrs, 7st 21b (Maidment) The following also ran .—Violet, Foi de Gras, Merry Widow, Gordian Knot, Wildman, Madame Walton, and Lufra. Betting-2 to 1 agst Flesmore, sto 1 agst Violet, 7to 1 each agst Queen of Clubs and Merry Widow, and 8 to 1 agst Lufra. Fie/more for a quarter of a mile led the way, anu was then pulled into the third place, being preceded by Miss Hawthorne and Violet, Queen of Clubs following the favourite to the turn into the straight, where Teddy came to the front. At the distance Flextuore joined Teddy and Queen of Clubs. Half-way up the distance Teddy gave way, and after an interesting race with the other pair the favourite won by a head. Teddy was a bad third, and Miss Hawthorn close was fourth. Foi de Gras was 'fifth. The last two were Wildman and Merry Widow. The Trial Handicap of five Abouteskh a mile,,with3o 7 ;al u d b e s d . ; for all ages; winners extra. ' Mr. Rochester's Anaticulus, 3 yrs, 6st 41b (A. Woodhouse) 1 (Gray) 2 Y C rs ;o 7 c s k t e s tt i , b 5 ; yrs, 7 s t 61b Mr..Wal Shirley ker 's a M c i s o fi l r o e n , 0 4 1 (Tomlinson) 3 Mr. T. Golby's Under the Cloud; 3 yrs, sst 71b (H. Clark) 4 Betting-5 to 4 agst Misfire, 7to 4 agst Anaticulus, and 3 to 1 agst Colonel Crockett. After proceeding about 200 yards Colonel Crockett went to the front, followed by Mis fire and Anaticulus to the extreme turn, where Under the Cloud, who had been running wide of the rest, took third p l ace . Approaching the straight Anaticulus took up the running, and with Misfire and Colonel Crockett in close attendance, ran a fine race home, Anaticulus finally win ning by half a length. A head separated the second and third. Under the Cloud, who was beaten upon entering the straight, cantered in some distance behind the first three. The Croome Stakes of 15 Cove each, 5 ft, with 100 added ; a handicap for all ages; winners extra. About three quarters of a mile. 21 subs. Lord Coventry's Umpire (bred in America), 6 yrs, 9st (J. Adams) 1 Mr. Payne's Olitipa filly, 2 yrs, Sat 71b.. (J. Grimshaw) 2 Mr. T. Hughes's Juliet, aged, 7st 81b (Drew) 3 Lord Uxbridge's Muffler, 3 yrs, Est 21b (Thomas) 4 Betting-11 to Bon Umpire, 3to 1 agst Juliet, and sto 1 agst the Olitipa filly. One break away was followed by an even start, but Um pire, in a few strides, showed in front of Juliet, who was succeeded by the Olitipa filly and Muffler to the stand, where the Olitipa filly took second place, but was unable to reach Umpire, who won in a common canter by two lengths. Juliet was beaten a length from the Olitipa filly, and Muffler was a bad fourth. A Sweepstakes of 10 BOW each, with 100 added, for 2-yr- olds; colts Bst 101 b, fillies„Bst 71b; winners extra. T.Y.C. 18 subs. Mr. W. Bone's Coup d'Etat, Bst 101 b (Hardcastle) 1 Mr. John Osborne's Prince Arthur, 9st 61b (inc 101 b ex) (J. Osborne) 2 Lord Coventry's Salvioni, Bst 71b (J. Adams) S Mr. Rochester's Lady Fanny Cavendish, Bst 71b (A. Edwards) 4 Mr. Madelaine's Duchess of Kent, Bst 71b (W. Woodhouse) 5 Mr. Harvey's Empress of Russia colt, Bst 101 b (E. Forster) 6 Betting-6 to 4on (ai the opening ?to 4 agst) Coup d'Etat, 5 to 1 agst Lady Fanny Cavendish, and 8 to 1 offered agst any other. At the second attempt they were capitally started, and in a few strides Coup d'Etat made play, followed by Lady Fanny Cavendish, Salvioui, and Duchess of Kent. Prince Arthur (who was cannoned against by Lady Fanny Ca vendish when the flag fell) brought up the rear to the dis tance, where he took second place, Coup d'Etat, however, maintained the front position to the end, and won by two lengths. Prince Arthur finished three lengths in ad vance of Salvioni, who beat Lady Fanny Cavendish by a length. The Worcestershire Stakes, a handicap of 10 soya each, 5 ft, and only 3 if declared, with 100 added, for 3-)r-o:da and upwards, winners extra. One mile and three fur longs on the new course. 61 subs. Mr. Stephenson's Turn of Luck, 4 yrs, 7st 41b (E. Fester) 1 Mr. R. C. Naylor's t here Amin, 6 yrs, 7st 41b (T. French) 2 Mr. Capel's Warminster, 4 yrs, 7st 111 b (Clement) 3 Mr. Lincoln's Fluke, 3 yrs, Est 21b Mr. George Payne's Merry Maid, 4 yrs, Est 71b (J. Grimshaw) 5 Shepherdess, Everlasting, and Church Militant also ran. Betting-9 to 4 agat Chere Arnie, 100 to 30 agat Tutn, of Luck, 5 to 1 agst Merry Maid, and 6 to 1 agst War minster. Atter proceeding a few hundred yards Church Militant went to the front, followed by Warminster and Chere Arnie, until within half a mile of home, where Church Militant ran wide in effecting a turn, and suddenly dropped into the rear. The lead was then left with Merry Maid, Chem Arnie going on second, and Turn of Luck and Warminster following close up. At the distance Merry Maid was beaten, and a fine race home with Turn of Luck, Chere Arnie, and Warminster ended in the defeat of the favourite by a head. Warminster was beaten a length from Chere Arnie. Fluke and Merry Maid beaten off, were fourth and fifth. The City Plate, a handicap of 50 sovs, for 3-yr•olds and up wards, winners extra. One mile and a quarter. Mr. Scott nd Mountain Buck, 3 yrs, 7st 21b .... (Noble) 1 Mr. Lincoln's Queen of Clubs, 3 yrs, Est 21b (Williamson) 2 Mr. W. Andrews's Miss Hawthorne, 4 yrs, Est 101 b (Maidment) 3 Mr. E. Williams's Overton, 5 yrs, 7st 101b..(Challoner) 4 Whitehall and Foi de Gras also ran. Betting-7 to 4on Overton, sto 1 each agst Queen of Clubs and Mountain Buck, 6 to Ingot Whitehall. Won by a length ; a bad third. Whitehall bolted. The Madresfield Juvenile Stakes of 6 sous each, with 30 added, for 2-yr-olds; colts 9st, fillies and geldings Bst 101 b. Selling allowances. Half a mile. 5 subs. Lord Coventry's Boeotian, 7st (£4O) (Maidment) 1 Mr. Orme's Jessie colt, 7st (L4O) (Thomas) 2 Mr. Knight's Acceptance, 6st 101 b (car 6st 131 b) (£4O) (Drew) 3 Mr. E. Buckley's Sir Watkin, 7st (£4O) (Whiteley) 4 Mr. Waller's Woman in Black, 7st (T. French) 5 Betting-2 to 1 each agst Boteotian and Sir Watkin, and 11 to 4 agst Acceptance, who receded to 4 to 1 after several of the false starts. Boeotian made play throughout with the Jessie colt in close attendance; Lord Coventry's colt winning by a neck, Acceptance a bad third. The winner was bought in for 200 guineas. BETTING ON THE COURSE. ST. LEGER. 9 to 2 agst The Ranger (taken and offered) Bto 1 agst Queen Bertha (offered) 10 to 1 agst Lord Clifsien (take 11 to 1) LIVERPOOL CVP. 7to 1 agst Joey Jones (taken) Bto 1 bar one (offered) GOODWOOD STAKES. 7to 1 agst Knutsford (taken) 10 to 1 agst Anfield (taken and offered) THE DERBY. 33 to 1 agst Coup d'Etat 100 to 1 agst Prince Arthur (taken freely) NOTTINGHAM SUMMER MEETING. Acceptances for the Nottinghamshire Handicap. One mile and three quarters. 67 subs. The highest weight ac cepting being Bst 111 b, it has been raised to Bst 121 b, and the others in proportion : age st lb Adventurer .. 4 8 12 Knutsiord Carisbrook 4 7 13 Prince Plausible 5 7 12 Deefoot. 5 7 11 Dulcibella .. 6 7 9 Flirtation Brighton 4 7 9 My Mary .. 4 7 1 Glenorchy 3 6 13 Pilot Bandage age st lb Oakapple Brian Boru . 3 5 13 Liston.... Erin-go-Bragh 3 6 11 .. 3 5 11 Muffler.. 3 5 11 Airedale Joco Luna 3 5 8 Jack's Alive 3 5 8 Middlewatch 3 5 8 COUNTRY MARKETS. •...._.._-.v_ _--..__ MANCHESTER-JULY 2. At our market this morning there was about an average attendance. For English wheat there was a dull demand, and is per qr cheaper, while American was offered at a reduction of 2d per 100 lb, with only a moderate business. Oats and oatmeal met a slow sale, at 6d per load lower in value. Flour in limited request, fresh sorts being 6d under the rates of last week. Indian corn also receded 6d per_gr, Beans were the turn in favour of sellers, BIRMINGHAM-JuLT 2. English wheat was sold at 48s to 56s for white, and 408 to 50s per 36 stone for red. Barley, new malting, 32s to 42s per qr ; grinding, 24s to 28s Oats, old, 24s to 30s per 30 stone ; Irish, 22s to 255. Beans, 38s to 44a i per qr. Peas, 36s to 44s per 36 stone. EDINBURGH (TRAIN.--JULY 1. A fair supply of farmers' wheat to-day, which met a slow sale at about the prices of last week. Barley in fair demand, at full prices. Beans and oats met a dull sale. Wheat on the top 2s 6d down average Os bd up. Barley on the top 2s 3d up. . average Os ld down. Oats on the tp Os 9d u p Beans on the o top Os 6d up.. Total Supply and Sales. ...average 4s Od up. Wheat ...1048 qrs Sold 580 qrs 8ar1ey........ 242 qrs Sold 156 qrs Oats Beans Flour sells as follows :—Whites, 42s Od ; extras, 40s Od ; superfine, 38s Od ; fine, 36s Od. CORK-JULY 1. The following were the quotations this morning :—Red wheat, 9s 9d to —s Od ; white, 10s 3d to —s Od , barley, 6s Od to Os Od ; oats, 9s Od to Os Od. ; black do., 78 2d to Os Od. DERBY SMITHFIELD-RwE 30. A better supply of fat beasts to-day, the best quality of which was in demand, and last week's prices were easily obtained ; inferior sorts more difficult to sell. The num ber of sheep at d lambs in the pens was a fair average. Fat pigs were again in large supply. Fat and store calves were in limited supply, and a heavy sale. Beet Mutton ... 6d to 7d Pork . 5d to 51d Lamb 9d to —d Rough fat, 3s 9d per stone Hides, 3d to 44d; calf skins, 5d to 6d. [AnvEßnsEmENT.]—Holloway's Pills.—When formid able fevers and other contagious complaints are prevalent Holloway's purifying pills are the best correctives of the system, and the surest cleansers of the blood. No one should permit any disordered action to continue where it can be so easily rectified by these pills ; even one day's delay may bring bitter cause to rue that slight neglect. There can arise no danger from taking Holloway's medi cine, and nu difficulty can occur in administering it to the young and delicate ; clear and definite instructions envelope each box. To feel that the body is out of order is sufficient warranty for taking these pills, which will prevent or arrest diseases, oven when doubtful, complicated, or obscure. Births. KING.—On the 2d inst., at 37, Seymour-street, Mrs.lienry King, of a daughter. NORTON.--On the Ist inst., at 7, Green-street, Grosvenor square, the wife of R. T. Lowndes Norton, Captain 2d Life Guards, of a son. TRELAWNY.--On the Ist inst., at 30, Hertford-street, May. fair, Mrs. Horace Trelawny, of a daughter. WEnnEN.—On the 28th ult., at Dresden, the Baroness Ton Wehren, of a daughter. Marriages. AVELING—CLIFFORD. — On the 2d inst., at St. Mary's, Stoke Newington, Stephen Thomas Aveling, Esq., of Rochester, to Mary, eldest daughter of the Rev. It. S. Clifford, M.A., of St. Mary's, Norton Folgate. LEAKEY—BAzETT.--On the Ist inst. at St. Mary's, Read ing, P. N. Leakey, Esq., of C or p us Christi College, Cam bridge, 8.A,, to Mary, elder daughter of Lieut.-Colonel Bazett, of Springfield, Reading. Deaths. WEHREN.—On the 29th ult., at Dresden, Frances, Baronesil von Wehren, aged 22. HILL —On the 30th u lt., M r . P e ter Hill, of the Stock E x . change, and of Loughton, aged 43. HOLMES. —On the 29th ult., at Bagneres de Bigorre, - S. France, a C. H. Holmes, Esq., late of the 67th R eg t., aged 23. IRELAND.—On the 2d inst., at Upper Harley-streot, Thos. j li a eu la t. for es I the rela county, ndEB, aged of 7°usld.en Hall, Sullolk, a Dep.- PENNINGTON.—On the 30th ult., at Clapham-common, tha Rev. Philip Pennington, M.A., aged 39. 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