The Sun. — London, England, 1854-07-18 00:00:00

SHARE MARKETS. (THIS DAY.) BRITISH RAILWAYS. RALLWATB. klioslng Prices 1 this day. Basineka aono this day. P8.1.d.1 'Aberdeen. 100 8 50 13 31 Anabg. Nottng. Bost. and Eastn. Junct Belfast & BallYmena- Birming. Wolverh. 8:, Stour Valley ...... .•.1 Birkenhd. Lanesh. Cheshire Junct Do. Chesh. dr Birk., £5O and £25 Cons. Do., ....... Rlyth &Tyne original £25 (issd. at £45, Bristol and Exeter Caledonian 25 25 18 20 St. ....... ____ Chester di Holyhead Cork and Bandon Cork, Black, di Pass Cornwall Orloff Junction Dublin&BelfastJunc Dundee Perth &Aber deen Junction . Do. New 14i Bt.. 19i 14 LOO 184 lli all 26 1.00 426 34 East Anglian Do., (4'lB E & H) Eastern Counties Eastern Union, A Stock .......... Do., B. Stock Do., New A ..... -.• East Lancashire Edinburgh & Glasgow Edinb. and Peebles Edin. PrIA) & Dundee Forth & Clyde Juno. Glasgow & S. Western Great Northern 8128 St. Bt. 5?, 19.# ri Do., Do., B. Stock... Gt. §th. &West.(lre.) Great Western Irish South-Eastern Lancast©r & Do., Thirds Do. New Thirds.,, Laneash.andYorksh Do., Fifths D)., Wst. Riding Un. Leeds Northern all, 54 Illi 20 20 1.0 10 Liv.Crsby.&Southpt London & Blaekwal Lond. Pith. St Sthend. Lond. Bright & S.Cst Lond. and N. Westu. Do. Fifths 21 2s 1.00 1.00 100 100 10 26.1 13 3 / 4 20. St. 50 20 20 2/ 2s all 1 16i' 100 8 100 De.lo/.5h.,M&8...( Do. Eighths London and S. Wostn. Do., £5O Do., £4O Lnduclrry& Col eraine l Ludndn7. & Ennisk • Manch.Shef.& Linen Do., Man. & Lin. Un Midland Do. Birmng. & Derby Midhl. G. West. (Ire.) Do. Half Shares Newcastle & Carlisle Newmarket 20 20 50 20 all 818. 100 20 131 1.00 28i -- 24 4i - 5 9 - 10 11i-loi d 17 -- 18 7 -- 6 d 97 - 99 62f - 634 15i - 164 11 13 id : 1,.i. 7 - 8 17 - 18 13i -13 i 35 - 37 1 2T- 28j 64 --- 66 60 - 62 A - i 6 • 66 68 904 914 75 77 125 - 127 96 - 98 79 -79 i ••• 89 - 91 11 -l3 u 11 -13 1, 66 -66 i - 6 i .1 ••• -- •.• 14t - 154 • • •• -• • Bfi - 81 LO9 —llO 104 - 104 par p par 82§ 834 9 8 8 7 a 21 -- 22 66 _ 66i 38 - 40 Do., Bury Extension. Nwpt.Aberg. &Hrfd Newry & Enniskillen Newry Warrenpoint and Rostrevor d— di 6i 6 d 2 —2; Norfolk .... Northn.Counties Un North British North Devon, No. 1 Do., No. 2 Do., A Deferred Do., A B Guaranteed North London Do. New £lO N.&S.Wstru.,Hamp stead, and City Jn I North Staffordshire North Western & S. Westrn, June, Nuneaton, Hinckley and Leicester Oxford, Worcester, & Wolverhampton Portsmouth Scottish Central Scottish Midland Shrewsbury &Bi sag Do. L. & N. Western Guaranteed St Shrewsby. & Ilerefd Shrewsby. & Cl estei (N. W. Min, Do. Halves,i. c. Do. Oswestry Shropshire Union Do. A, B, C,& D,fully paid up at per cent South Devon South Eastern South Wales . S. Yrksh. 41; Itiv. Dun Do Staines, Wok. &Wok Stockton & Darling Stockton & Hartlepl. Taff Vale . Do. £lO shares. IDo. Pref., No. 1. 'Thames Haven Dock and Railway Vale of Neath Waterfd. & Kilkenny Waterford&Limerick West Cornwall West End of London and Crystal Palace West London Wimbledn & Croydon York Newctl. &Berw. Do. Extensions Do. G.N. E. Purchase York& N.Midland 6 - 8 50' - 52 3 4 34 33}... 344 52 55 Par 'LI: 4 SP - P 41 4 d 6-74 —lpl 32 - 34 92 94 511 60 68 - 72 62i 3 15i 68 - 72 2i- 2. 18 -- 20 9 10 14 -- 15 3i -- 3id 13a i 13 - 15 63. 64i 35 - 36 4 - 21 4 - 5 90 11 76 125 ii =1" li 794, Eig 9 66 M 1081 91 1041 4 83 i 66 5i 6i 33 - 33 19 194 - 23 25 6 - ••• - •.• 6 - 7 13 a 94 3! per cent. 63a i 73 74 ; 7 - 41 - 31(1 54 - 55 - difi 731 i 4 5- ti I FOREIGN. 10 all Anti;erp&Rotterdaro 33 Sid 5 3 Belgian Eastn. June. lf 20 8 Beziers to Graissessae 33 3 d 20 2s. Bombay, Baroda, and Central India,Scrip •-• ... Central of Italy 20 all Charleroi & Erquelin ••• 174 all Demerara 20 14 Lotion and Besancon p 20 20 9 Dutch Rhenish 3f 3 d all E as t I n di an 13 --2 p 211 xin 20 2 Do. Extension 4d— 1 1 xin 5 all Gt. I n di an P en insula a p xin 20 10 lid. Junct. of France 25 10 Grd. Trunk of Canadas —44 d x in 100 40 Do. Debentures 100 all Do. do — ••• 20 10 Gt. C en t ra l o f F rance 3d p a r xin 203 all Gt.WesternofCanadu Shares 174 181 1. 1 ... Do. Bonds (Ist is.)'s7 •• • p 20i all H am ilt on & T oron t o 1 d 100 all 'Do. 6 per cent. 20 5 [Lake Const. & Basle ... ••• 6 all Lucca & Pistoj a 5 p.c. pref — die 20 15 Luxembourg • 10 10 Do. (Railway) ••• ••• 5 2 Do. Pr ef. — 5 3 Do. (Canal) • • 1 0 5 D o . 6 p. c t . pre f •• • ;••ci 20 10 Lyons and Geneva 20 12 Lyons & Alediterran . •• 2 0 134 M a d ras - • p 3 3i 334 Maria Antonia 20 2 Melbourne Dk. do 20 all N amur & Liege (wit!. - interest) 7l 8 20 all Do. (ex int ere st) — .16 all Northern of France 32 323 321 xin Do. 201. 3 p. c Bch 20 all (fray. B. & Ams. Shs — ••• 1 0 all NorwegianTrunkPrel 8 9 2 0 10 P ar i s and Lyons l7 —17 1 P 40 all Ditto Bonds 10 all Paris and Orleans 45 47 2 0 all Paris and Rouen 42 20 all Paris and Strasbourg 301 - 311 20 10 ParisCaen & Cherbrg. -pm 10 4 101 Quebec & Richmond ... 20 all Rouen and Havre..... 22 —23 20 15 Royal Danish 1 d 1p 5 2 Royal Swedish — d 20 all Sambre and Meuse •81 9 -• 6 Do. 54 p. cont. Pref — 20 6 Southern of France —pm 2 0 8 St. A n d rew ' s and Quebec (A) •• 8 i all W es t Fl an d ers 3i •4. 10 all Do 54 per c. Pref d 20 10 Western of France 5 6 p 1 0 7 W es t . of Switzerlad • 2 0 2 Wiesbaden— •••••• 20 15 Zealand MISCELLANEOUS 5 all Aubin Coal and Iron ... 25 173 Australian Agricult. 454 463 451 20 14 Australsn.Pcific. Mail 10 8 A.ustraln. Royal Mail 50 •• 10 • 4 Berlin Wat er Works ... •• 40 Brit. American Land 65 70 5 1 Brit. & Coln. Smeltg. and Reduction Co.. 10 0 323 C ana d a . 95 5 5 Crystal Palace 43 4/ 41 3 5 Do. Nevv..... • id 4 2 C ry •••stal Pal. of . France 20 3 Eastern Steam .. . 25 20 El ectritTelegraph(A) 20 25 all 2l 201 1 Electric Tele •• g • .. 0I • ir ..• ••• 15 14 Gen. Steam N'avi 20 18 General Screw Stegam at. *** 20 '74 Irish Beetvoot Sug• • -* *** 20 10 Magdalena St. Navig. al *** 1 all Nat. Pat. SteamPue 10 3 Netherlands Land.. . . .4 1 . 2 1 N. S. W. Coal &Lite Steam Navi,gat. Co. 1 all N. B. Australasian 1 3 Do. New,,, ••• 4 1 20 10 Nall. f_fEuro ..... ••• "• 5 all Peel lir. Ld. & ••• ••• d 4 3 u r • 50 a ll P en i nsu l ar& Oriental I 50 40 Do. 2 all Portland Iron Co., ... P 100 60 Royal Mail St eam . P 1 all Scot. Austral. Invest.. . —2; 25 25 South Austral• Land 3 23 1 36 , 1 all Submar. Telegraph .. , la 1 all Do. Registered........ —la 284 Van Diemen Land 111 --12 i 20 25 100 100 20 20i LIN ES LE±......,ED AT FIXED RENTALS. ItiIILWAXS. .ledford and Bletchl ey 7 -fuckghamsh. Clydesdale Jc. E. Lincoln gr. 6 per cent. Glas. Barr. & Neils. Direct ,Do. New Glstr. & Du. Fr !TWO. Dk. & Railway Hull & Selby Do. 4 Shares. Do. ; Shares. Lon.&Greenw Do. Preference Lowestoft gr. 4 per cent. Do. 6 per ct. Hanch. Bxtn. and Matlock Nfiddlesbro' & Redcar. . Niidld.Bradfd Northern and Eastern sp. c . Do. 6 per ct. Do. Fixeds p c Prest. & Wyre Do. Shares. Roystn.&Hit. Do. Shepth. St Shef. Roth .a; , d Goole g. 5 p. c. S. Staffordsh. Wear Valleygr 6 per cent Do Wilts&Somrst. I, losing Prices 1 this day . PREFER Aberdeen Do. No. 2, p. c. Blyth and Tyne 10 per c. pref. (issd. at 50/) Bris. & Ex. 4 p. c. St. Do. 4 p. c. Shares . Caledonian £lO Chester & Holyhead Guar. 5i per cent Cork &Bandens4p.c Dundee Perth &Aber deen Junction EastAnglian (I:310s) 6 per cent Do. (.£5) 7 per cent Do. (X 7 17s) 7 p. c Eastern Counties Ex tension, 5 p. c. No. Do. No. 2 Do. New 6 p. c. St Eastern Union, Scrip Guar. 6 per cent Do. 51., 10 per cent Do. 101. Debentr.Sh- East Lancash. 6 p. cts. East and West York shire June. Pref... Edinb Prth. &Dundee 4 per cent. Glasgow & S.Western Guar. 5 per cent Great Northn. 5 p. c Do. 5 p. c. Redeem., at 10 p. c. prem... Do. 44 p. c. Scrip Gt. N. of Scot. Ist Prel Gt. Southn. &Westm. (Ireland) Eighths) Do. 4 per c. Pref. Sh Gt. Westu. (Berks & Hants Ex. 5 p. c) Do. coy. red. 4A p.c Do. con. red. 4 p. c Do. irred. 4 p. c Lan. &York. F. £2O Do. 6 p. c. Stock Leeds N. 6 p. c. No. I Do. Quarters, 1848 London and Brighton Guaranteed 5 p. e Do. Pref., 5 p. e. St. Do. Convertible, 5 p. c., 1852 Do. Now Guar.6 p. c Lon. &N. W., Coy. & Nuneaton London & S. Western Con. Thirds Londonderry& Coler Shares Londy. & Ennis. Sb Shef., & Lin., Shares, No. 1. Do. New, £lO Do. £6 Aarypt Carl. 4 p. c. Do. 4i per cent Do ?did. Consol.6 p.c.St. Do. Consol. Bristol & irm. 6 per cent Do. Pref. 4i per cent 'Norfolk Debenture Do. Pref. 4 p. c. Stock Do. 5 p. c. Est Do. 5 per ct . Do. Way. Val. 5 p. c North British North Staffordshire Oxford, Worcester, & Wolverh.£ls, 6 p.c Do scot. Cent., New Pref 3 brews. & Birm.N.G. Shrewsby. & Chester (Nor.W.Min), 8 p.c. Do. 5 per cent 'South Devon. Ds. fixed, 44 per cent S. Eastern (Reading, Ann.) of £1 Os. 6d. Do. 4Aper cent. i.Yorksh.4p.e.Guar Stockton and Dar-' ling,ton, 4 per cent Do. do. do. Stockton and Hartle- pool, guar. 5 p. c. till Ist July, 1856 Waterfil.&Kilk. 6 p.e. Vork,Neweastle,and Berwick,4 p.c. Pref. Do Vork&N. Midland H in4l ti. Punch Leasing Compans, Auton & N. West. L. &N. W. Caledon... Glt.Nrthn. Caldonian. at. Westn Yk. New. & Berw. Y. St Mid Do Do S. Fasten) Do INorfolk. L.&14. W. & Midld. atekton& Dari!ngt. E. Count. Do Do L. &N.W &Ln&Yk Do Gt Northnl Do Lancach& Yorksh. itockt. & Darlingt. 1 GtWestn 95 - 100 95 - 97 134 - 137 28 = io 103 -- 105 5111 -- 524 254 -26 A 12. -- 134 23 -- 241 2i - 2i 93 - 95 57 - 59 134 - 137 lid 29 -- 301 91 , - 93 ,ENCE SHARES. 95 - 97 ••• .•• li id 31 - 34 4 - 4i 4. 4P f- lip -- lip 131 -13 i 22 - 24 3i - 3i 116 -- 117 109 - 111 100 - 102 ~~• ~r ,• 6 61 96 —98.7 rd b 8 90 91 93 Id par 135 137 • • • "". • pm pm 131 6 7 9 10 id ip 137 id 90 - 93 107 - 109 -10 i ' -17 j - 104 - 13 - P -23 i - 103 2 1 d - 95 - 3i 1 -- i'l xl Agua Fria Anglo Austen. Gold Anglo Californian Australasian Australian Australian Cordillera Australian Freehold' Ave M irla i - 1 4 1 - td 2 --- Baden (Gd. Duchy of) Blaeuarvon Ir. & Coal British Austrlu. Gold British Iron 9 / - Brazilian Imp. (issued at £5 pm. Do. Cocaes & Cuiada , Do. St. John Del Rey, Carson's Creek Clarendon Con. Min 8i 9i 3 - 41 2 24 27 29 #d Co. of Jamaica Cobro Copper Colonial Gold Copiapo Copper Min. of Eng Do. Pref. 7i p. cent English and Austrin Copper Smeltg. Co General Great Nugget Voiu... Do. Registered Great Polgooth . Liberty Linares Lond &Califon'. G old Quartz Crush. Co Mariquita Aexican&S.Americn New Granada New Linares Mining and Smelting Co Nouveau Moudo . Pontgibaud Silye' Lead MM. & Smelt Port Philip Quartz Rock itkynancy Iron Do. New Santiago do Cuba 4 9uth Australian rin Croft United Mexican Waller West Granada West Mariposa Worthing Mining of Australia...—. . Yuba 45 - 47 11 11 52 - 57 - 2 - 10-11 3 6 - 61 i - i 1 :--- I. 16 - 17 32 - 34 9 - 10 4 - 5 I '4 ii - I i - i i. : irdl ~. ."'" ••• i ' i Australasia British Colonial Bank 81 - 83 and Loan Company British N. American Chartd. Bank of Asia Chrtd. Unk. of India, Australia, & China Colonial ... ..• I. •id ... ...di Commercial of Lond. English Scottish and A.nstraliau Loud. Chart. Bk. of Australia . 3 2i d 20i —2l.lxd London and County London Joint Stock Loud. & Westminster National Provincial, of England Do. New National of Ireland New South Wales Oriental Bank of Corporation Do. New Provincial of Ireland' Do. New 46 - 48: Royal Australn.Bkg. & (gold Imp Co south Australia Uuibn of Australia Do. New Union of Loudon.., all all 21, 10 41 --- 4gal l 70 13 C 'HESTER AND HOLYHEAD RAILWAY.— •Tr the week ending July 9, 1851 Corresponding week last year 11.•• • Increase in 1804 1,,,,i 135 11 this day. 12:1 12. 12 St. 4 all all 10 .00- all all all all 1 10 1 1 50 50 100 100 id 231 100 all all all all 12s. 5 25 all 1 PEE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY NVENING, JULY is, 18,64. THE WAR. NAVAL AND MILITARY' INTELLIGENCE. Yes'erday notice was publicly given on the Royal Ex change that within 20 days from that date the Court of Ad miralty would proceed to condemn the undermentioned Rus sian ships as lawful captures—nam.ly, the Augusta, prize to her Majesty's steamers Arrogant and Hecla ; the Franciaka, Muhelsen late master, prize to her Majesty's steamer Cruiser ; the Alexander, prize to the Amphion and Conflict ; the Johan Carl, prize to the Conflict • the Johanna Maria, Andreas E. Lindtern, late master, and the Nornen, Dahls, late master, both prizes to the Archer; the Louisa, prize to the Amphion; the Union, Barm late master, prize to the Cruiser ; the Louisa Amelia and a schobner, name unknown, both prizes to the Amphion; the Anna Catarina; the Polka, and Livonia, all prizes to the Amphion and Conflict ; and the Jean Marie. Kollo, late master, prize to the Archer. These vess2ls and their cargoes will forthwith be sold by public auction, and the proceeds divided among the captors. The Royal Albert, 131 guns, new screw steam-ship, Com mander Alexander Little. Arrangements are being made for fitting this ship with Mr. William Wolfe Bonney's patent gutta-percha speaking-tubes, as adapted to her Majesty's ships of war either propelled by steam power or otherwise. for communicating orders to all parts of the ship, and up into the tops without the intervention of men to pass the word. This has been found to act admirably in the Hannibal during her late embarkation of troops off Calais. In time of action a concentrated fire can be made true to a second of time, by the word " fire" being given fore and aft the ship on either or each deck at the same moment. Either in time of action or during a gale of wind, every order can be distinctly heard below and aloft at the same moment. Mr. Bonney was here yesterday, for the purpose of consulting with Commander Alexander Little as to what particular parts of this ship the tubes are to be conveyed, so as to give the greatest facilities of communicating for general service between decks, engine rooms, &c. The Hornet, 16, screw steam-sloop, Commander Frederick A. Campbell, arrived at the Nore, yesterday, from Woolwich, at 10.3: a.m., for the Baltic. She is first to proceed to Portsmouth for her final orders. A number of the friends and relatives of officers and men serving in the Baltic have endea voured to send out letters and parcels in her from here, but on application to the Post-office authorities hero, they have been informed, " There are no orders sent to that department to forward any mail or parcels through this post-office by her," much to the disappointment of some hundreds of persons here. The Vulture, 6 guns, paddle-wheel steam-frigate, Captain Frederick H. H. Glasse.—The crew of this ship, with her officers, are busily engaged receiving her stores, provisions, &c. It will be Friday next before she will be ready to leave here. She was put out of the fitting basin yesterday, and her compasses are to be adjusted by swinging ship immediately after she has completed her coaling. The Lizard, iron paddle-wheel steam-vessel, Lieutenant Thomas B. Christopher.—The first-class boy, Edward Cham bers, who received severe injuries by the falling of the top end of the mainmast of this vessel when alongside the Algiers, off Calais, on Saturday last, died shortly after from the injury, his skull being severely fractured and one leg being broken at the knee, with a compound fracture of the same leg. Mr. Charles Christopher, an architect, whose injuries caused almost immediate death, was visiting his brother, the com mander, to witness the embarkation of the French troops. It eppears, upon evidence taken before Mr. James Lewis, coroner for the waters of the Medway, within the jurisdiction of the city of Rochester, that the Lizard had been ordered to convey fresh provisions to the Algiers from the commodore's ship Hannibal ; and on ranging up along side the Algiers, the maintopmast (or rather a part of the mainmast, the Lizard being rigged with polacco mast, form ing lower masts and topmasts in one stick), fouled with the lower yard arm of the Algiers, and carried the mast away just above the rigging. The lower part of the stick forming, the topmast was strongly hooped with iron bands, which considerably added to the weight thereof. This came down upon deck on the starboard side, just between the after com passion and the skylight where Mr. Christopher and the boy were standin g . Both were knocked down on the deck and the mast laid on them. The jury returned a verdict of acci dental death in both cases. The boy Chambers was buried iu Trinity churchyard by the Waterloo, yesterday, and the body of Mr. Christopher has been conveyed to London for inter ment there by his friends. The Lizard has received orders to prepare again imme diately for sea. The Lizard is rigged yacht fashion, polacco rigged, her lower masts and topmasts .being in one length, which prevents in time of need her striking topmasts when going alongside ship to deliver stores and provisions. It is the general opinion, had she been fitted with regular shifting topmasts, they could have been struck previous to her going alongside the Algiers, which might in all moral reasoning have prevented the loss of two lives—the ono having de prived a family of a parent, the other a loss of a fine pro mising lad in the service, where seamen are always valuable. It appeared on the evidence given, that had the main-yard of the Algiers been topped the right way, or the braces let go, the accident could not have happened. No assistance (in the confusion of berthing the troops) was given in getting along side, although a ropo was repeatedly called for to keep the Lizard clear of the Algiers' main-yard, caused by the run of tide and the lift of the sea. The Long Boat (sailing tender to the Formidable), Reuben Harvey, master, arrived here yesterday from Calais, at eight p. m., having gone over there to put machinery on board the Hannibal ; but in consequence of a cross sea running too high to go alongside, the Long Boat ran for Calais harbour, and put the machinery on board the Echo steam-vessel for the purpose of being shipped on board the Hannibal at the time the Long Boat left Calais. On Saturday evening the Hannibal was pre paring to get under weigh with the squadron of line-of-battle ships. Mr. Harvey report's that the Emperor only visited the commodore's ship, the Hannibal, and that for only a very short time. The Spiteful, fitting at Woolwich, has been commissioned by Commaader Kyuaston, and is to be brought forward im mediately for active service. The Tartarus paddle-wheel steam-vessel, Lieutenant R. H. Risk, arrived at Woolwich yesterday from Sheerness. Notice has been posted at Woolwich Dockyard that letters for the Black Sea will be despatched by the Colombo and Simla steam-vessels on the 18th and 19th inst. from Devon port. _ . . Letters for seamen, marines, and boys serving in the Black Sea will be forwarded by these opportunities if posted in time, and marked " By the Colombo or Simla." APPOINTMENTS. Lieutenants —Francis H. Purvis (1852), recently promoted from acting mate; and Lionel Lambert (1852), recently pro moted from mate, having been appointed to the Spiteful. Lieut. Thompson, additional of the Britannia., has been appointed to the Fury, vice Blake, at Malta Hospital. 31r. Wright, clerk of the Terrible, has been appointed in charge of the Banshee, vice Warburton, to be acting paymaster of the Vesuvius. MISCELLANEOUS. THE FLAG APPOINTMENTS, &C. As was stated yesterday, the death of Rear-Admiral Hen derson, C. 8., promoted no less than ten captains to flag rank, on the active, retired, and reserved half-pay lists. By these promotions a good-service pension,. the appoint ment of a naval aide-de-camp to the Queen, and the com mand of tho screw-ship Nile are relinquished. The vacant good-service pension, we believe, has been be stowed upon Captain Lushington (1819), now in command of the Albion, 80, in the Black Sea fleet. This selection is an act of justice towards a senior captain of good service in his present rank, and of distinguished service in au inferior grade, who has been passed over several times in favour of juniors. Captain Lushington, as a commander, distinguished himself in command of the Etna, bomb, at the taking of Morea Castle. As a captain he commanded the Retribution, steam-frigate, and the Vengeance, 84. He was then appointed superintendent of the Indian navy, which post, however, he resigned in order to continue his service in the Royal navy, and has held the command of the Albion since July, 1852. There are only three officers senior to Captain .Lushington on the list that can be said to have any claims to the good-service pension. Commodore Henry Byam Martin, C. 8., having attained his rank of rear-admiral, the command of the Nile, 90 gun screw ship, in the Baltic, has been given to Captain George Rodney Mundy (1837). This gallant officer, it will be remembered, a W nd at m er a i n o n o in l g 2 t o h , e a l n a c t l te t i he sh n ip of , r relinquish his post, and was succeeded by Captain Charles t C wil t: e p s t Lf a oo i ds : o l nn un e d ot y oi i eb u (11. c at o Pa n tf a s t consequenceige Eden. out the Royal Albert, screw thr, . of the British to serve as flagship of the Commander-in -Chief It is deemed probable that ReaereiaAdeemkierial tll,olatih•tienßnliaacltsackae, fleet in those waters, Rear-Admiral Martin remaining as Captain of the Fleet. Ad rem ß a e i a n r e - da n t iir H al sh al F if a a n xi a n we h , .B is C flag ., the ..shi Thompson, July 6. l) l e i o e m s t m a d 2 e o i: - in h t i: i f n , e d ß i u v rr z i b z s aieorn:ro force h o p e f a A t a a l d t e m i , o i n c r a o l a m t F m H a a n n a s l d h i f e a a r w x c Do o o b n i l b s i i e t s h , e e a d t N o s o f r Newfoundland Daring, 12, Commander Napier, at St. L awrence ; and the of o A ufi n na i dg e American Notley, tender, in the Bay of Fundy. In the West Indies are the Calypso, 18, Captain Forbes, and Devastation, 6, paddle, Commander De Horsey, at St. Thomas's, June 16. The Calypso left for a cruise among the northern islands, June 28 ; and the Devastation conveyed the Magdalena, Royal Mail steam-packet, out of the port. Commodore Henderson, is the Imaum, was at Port Royal July 2; Espiegle, 12, Commander Hancock, was cruising of Cuba ; Medea, 6, paddle, Commander Phillimore, left Jamaica, June 23, for Havannah. Commodore Adams, commander-in-chief for the coast of Africa, in the Scourge, 6, paddle, arrived at Madeira, from Devonport, June 22, and after coaling proceeded to Ascension. Rear-Admiral Henderson, C. 8., having died, the command in-chief of the Brazils station devolves on a commander. Commander Finch, we believe, is the commander-in-chief. The command in chief of another station—the Cape of Good Hope—is left to a commander, who, by the way, should have been a captain, for Commander Morris, of the Hydra, 6, paddle at the Cape, was acting captain twice when with ommodore Plumridge in the East Indies. T p n Pe tnoi Plymouth. a g. l afe • ida.o a em i l i nd4aO extraordinary She ettralaelof rtthe d Company's steam-ship Simla, Captain George Brook e s, w hi c h i s t o t a k e th e 4th Dragoons t a theo m 1 e o East, hSoaontuustlehAesahype averaged and segrea entered the Sound, at 1 45 a . m . 3 o from h Sunday. p. m illarYdopckasssaagte u. on the knots,u Needles de . r to s etahme onlyßrea , k a w g a a t i Breakwater t L s i e g v h e t n - 3ot hours' r, cflhocosdbytidtheeahnedada, h st e i r •on p g rop h e e radtrimvindbe in a g l th s o e u v g e h u i s n h e e h e i s s by the stern. She anchored in the Sound until nine o'clock in the morning, when VII.. Thompson, Queen's harbour-master, navigated her to her moorings off K h ey am, where she was shortly afterwards inspected by the Brigade-Major. The Simla is nearly 100 feet longer than her Majesty's ship Duke of .Welliugton. She taks in all 320 horses—namely, 26 in the hold, 127 between decks, and 167 on leek. Of these, she embarked at Southampton six, supplied by the 6th Enniskillens, nine by the 6th Light Dragoons (carbineers), three by the 17th Lancers, and two by the 15th Light Dra goons. The 4th (Queen's Own) Light Dragoons, under the command of Colonel Lord Paget, will consist of two squad rons, comprising 250 horses and 293 men. The A and B troop, under Major Lowe, arrived at Plymouth on Saturday, and the E and F troop, under Major Acker, arrived ou Monday. The Clifton, Belgravia, Edwin, Columbia, and Hereford shire transports left the Downs yeSterday • for Calais, to be ready to embark' the French troops. The Prince, screw steamer, 2,700 tons burdens, left Blackwall on Saturday for the same service. She carries a vast quantity of shot, shell, and ammunition. The Orinoco screw-steamer sailed from off Portsmouth on Saturday with the Rifles and a detachment of Foot for the Black Sea. immense quantity An ity of shot, shell, barrels of cartrcartridges,ant • eases of swords, SLe., have been shipped on board the Manill a • for conveyance into the Black Sea. Tho Himalaya will not arrive at Liverpool until Friday. Instead of proceeding to that port direct she has gone round by Kingstown for the purpose of embarking a porti on o f the Scots Grays stationed there. The main body of that regi ment still remain at Manchester. Yesterday morning the senior and junior companies of the • 46th Regiment, consisting of 200 rank and file, with 22a, commissioned officers and d'rummere, mArched from t In fantry BarFacks, Windsor, Captains O'Toole and Irately, Lief= tenants Shervington and Knapp, and Ensigns Helyer and Townsheud, preceded by the band, playing " Cheer, Boys, Cheer," and " Jeanette and Jeannot." They were loudly cheered by their comrades in garrison, and by the spectators who lined the streets for Borne distance from the barracks. The men appeared in high spirits, and were accompanied to the South-Western Railway_ Station by Colonel Garrett and the whole of the officers of the reg i men t , exce pt those on duty, and the two lieutenants (Perry an d G reer ) un der arrest. The train, consisting of 15 carriages, started at 10 o'clock, the in habitants and officers giving three times three cheers, which were heartily answered by the troops. The train conveyed the detachment to Vauxhall, and thence to Southampton, where this portion of the 46th embarked immediately on board tho Avon steamer, and proceeded directly to Cork, where the vessel will take up the head-quarters . and service companies of the 63d Foot, and sail direct for Constantinople. The 20th Regiment, under command of Colonel Horne, was safely embarked yesterday morning on board the iron steam transport Colombo, in Plymouth Sound. The 57th, having been ordered from Corfu to Turkey, a draft of 300 men from the depot in Limerick garrison has been ordered out to join head-quarters. The General Screw Company's 2,500-tou ship Jason, which, like the Himalaya, was fitted for horses, has returned to Southampton in such excellent order that she is reported ready for sea again this day. The transport Empress Eugenie, for Cork and the Mediter ranean, was off the South Foreland about noon yesterday, proceeding down Channel ; wind south: The Grange, arrived at Falmouth, passed on the 9th of July, iu lat. 41 37, long. 9. 50, a large iron British screw steam-ship, with troops. She had nine boa"' MILITIA AND YEOMANRY. The Exeter and South Devon Rifle corps were on Saturday inspected by the commander, Sir E. S. Prideaux, in the Castle-yard at Exeter. The men mustered strong, and went through the various evolutions with great precision, for which they were complimented by the colonel. The training of the Isle of Wight Militia Artillery will take place either at Sandown Fort or at Sconce Fortification. The Bedfordshire Light Infantry are ordered to be em bodied, to proceed forthwith to Chichester barracks. The Wigan troop of the Duke of Lancaster's Yeomanry Cavalry have received orders to muster on the 27th inst. and join head-quarters, at Lancaster, on the 28th inst., for duty and inspection. THE GATHERING. Yesterday afternoon witnessed a great •gathering in Down ing -street. Lord John Russell had summoned his friends and the general supporters of the Government to meet him in the official atmosphere of Whitehall to hold a kind of council of war upon ministerial difficulties, intentions, and prospects. There was a large assemblage of M.P.'s, each tint of liberalism being represented, from the veteran radicalism of Mr. Hume to the most aristocratic tinge of family Whiggery. The occa sion wag important, and the subject really at issue still more so. The meaning of the meeting was that the Coalition is in danger of a split up, their chief rock ahead being, of course, the conduct of the war. It was quite natural that great in terest should be excited in the minds of those present respect ing what might, what would, and what ought to be said. It was known that the Tories were to muster strongly in the evening to make the vote for tho expenses of the new War Ministry a peg on which to hang want-of-confidence speeches, embodying various damaging criticisms on what has hitherto been done, or been neglected, by the Aberdeen Cabinet. All these nuclei of difficulty, that float about in political waters to clog and hamper ministerial arrangements, were evi dently present amongst those who yesterday assembled in Downing-street. Why had not Lord Palmerston been appointed to the post of Minister of War ? Was it Court or Cabinet influence, or was it the Duke of ' Newcastle's amour propre, that has stood in the way of so natural an arrangement ? Why was Sir George Grey, a cold and fish-blooded family Whig, brought back again to office ? Why were to be hampered with an Austrian alliance, when the war could be so far more simple and easy in its conduct, and so far more sure and honourable in its conclusion without Mettornich's dangerous help ? Why were the troops kept for months in a state of inaction, and the fleets kept floating in idleness ? Would Lord John Russell open his heart and explain any of these things ? Would he go forward in obedience to the popular voice and will, and so secure new esteem and popularity, or would he slide back into his new Coalition shell and lose a further portion of the goodwill which the nation bears him for past services in the popular cause ? Such might well be some o f the man y suppo sitions of the company who assembled i n Downin g -street. Lord John Russell soon put all surmises to rest by his s p eech —prepared for the occasion, and based ou two main proposi tions—first, that all present should vote at once, as a matter of course, the estimate for War Minister, because, secondly, the Cabinet would shortly want more money for carrying on the war, and that the real question of confidence or no confi dence iu the Coalition should be taken next week, when such money vote should be presented to the House of Commons. Iu other words, the matter stood thus—" Put off the in tended discussion and trial of party strength this evening, be cause in a few days we shall have ' a little account' for settle ment. When we p resen t it , if you veto the money, you will sanction our proce e di ngs an d po li c y ; if you do not, such vote will of course b e a vo t e of want o f c onfidence in the Cabinet as at present constituted." This was a very dexterous way of putting the case to a mixed company such as that which yes terday assembled at the call of the Minister. In the first place, it tided over the difficulty of the hour. It beat at once the Tory muster of last night. It put off the evil day for a week at all events and then proposed the trial of party strength upon the broader issue, whether or not the House of Commons will vote money to the Coalition to carry on the war in their own way, or whether by refusing the money they will risk th e stoppage of the war altogether at a moment when delays are fraught with a thousand evils. Mr. Vernon Smith might cavil, Mr. Horsman denounce, but Lord John was dexterous, and Mr. Sidney Herbert polite, whilst Lord Palmerston's silence was, perhaps, more eloquent than his voice could have been. Of the hundred and seventysnine gentlemen present, the bulk were evidently convinced at once that the only thing to be done was to follow the leader who had called them together, and if an independent leader like Lord Dudley Stuart felt bound to interrogate, or a plain spoken Reformer like the member for Montrose raised his voice in exhortation or in criticism, or as a peace-maker, their objections were-the more readily smoothed away by the ' clear understanding that the leader of the House of Commons would be no party to the conclusion of an armistice, and Vienna. On the contrary, there never has been a moment since the commencement of this war at which the belligerent Powers were resolved and prepared to prosecute their enter prise with greater activity. The delays which aro inseparable from the opening of a campaign, from the extreme difficulty of obtaining the means of transport, especially in a barbarous country, are at last overcome. The Russian defences at the Sulina mouth of the Danube are reported to have been at tacked and destroyed by five British and French steamers. A considerable detachment of French troops start for the Baltic ; while the main expeditionary. army, under Marshal St. Arum'''. and Lord Raglan, must have reached the Danube in time to support the last energetic and brilliant operations of Omer Pasha. To talk of negotiations—and especially of negotiations on so flimsy and unsatisfactory a basis as the last communication from St. Petersburg—at the moment when the belligerent Powers are just beginning to reap some of the advantages which they have a right to anticipate from the vast sacrifices and their long forbearance, is au ab surdity of which no man in Europe, except the King of Prussia, can bo guilty. The King of Prussia himself must be aware that he has lost all credit and influence with the Western Powers and with Europe, and his Envoy in London, who went through the formality of pre senting his credentials to her Majesty yesterday would give uo sanction to anything other than a vigorous pro secution of the war until a.peace could be secured upon a broad solid, and honourable basis. Tho effect of explanations such as these—given as they were with official authority, and ut tered in the atmosphere of Whitehall—may be easily imagined. " Things went off satisfactorily," and although reporters were not admitted to record verbatim the two hours talk, and every M.P.'s mouth was sealed by a promise not to communi• cate anything that transpired to the newspapers, the public have here au amplo summary of the Downing street confer ence. Tho result was seen speedily enough when the House of Commons opened for business. No places were taken, There were no full benches_no preparations for a field night. Lord J. Russell was permitted to state what he had publicly to declare about the War Ministry without serious challenge or debate, and in pl ace of a fierce pass age of arms between Tory Opposition and C oalition Ministers a comparat i ve l y emp t y House subsided int o a monotonous discussion a b out th e fa vourite electionee r i ng sin of Bribe The War Debate is postponed till next wee k , and till then the Ministry have a respite. If the re qu i red Vote of Credit is given, we may ex pect Parliament t o r i se early in Austust, but that rising will, . ry we trust, be merely an adjournment, and not a lengthened pro rogation. If all the money that may be asked for is not grant ed by the House of C ommons, Parliament cannot be prorogued in the usual way to February, since the Chancellor of the Exchequer has not cash enough to last him for six mouths. It rests, therefore, with Parli ament to d ec id e how long they will leave the Aberdeen- Cabinet in full possession of the strings by which the war per mit the Coalition to manage the war in secret and b eyond the reach of Parliamentary check. War cannot b e waged If money w ith o ut money. is 'managed—how long they will for six months' war is granted— Lord Aberdeen will have his will unchecked for ball a year— time long ouough for winning or losing everything. If ssmethiug ou account " only is Com mons may again have a chance of express i ng au op i n ion upon the subject before it be too late. Wh a t w ill th ey d o ?—Daily News. given, the House of FATAL ACCIDENT AT THE ROUSE OF LORDS.—Yes terday Mr. Bedford, corrianotsunte, e r ra fzW s3 e , stminster, held an f d af a at‘ y lVltiih l ni a leg s i f l lrn: mels The deceased the mg roof of Hospital, t H al ,ourelative Lordsto theon who lost his life inquestd vh e r ; e t o t d h ungei o si was, it appeared, in the employ of Messrs. Easton and Amos, and in consequence of a large tank containing 1,660 gallons, which this firm had recently erected on the roof of the House of Lords, having commenced leaking, it was necessary to raise a shoot upon the roof in order to carry the water off from the building. In order to do this deceased was, between three and four o'clock in the afternoon of the day in question, engaged with two others named Edwards and Collins, Having succeeded in raising the shoot by means of a hand line, deceased ascended to the top, and stood vpon the wall (about 18 inches wide) for the pur pose of pulling it (the shoot) nearer to the required spot, and had hold of one end for that purpose, when from the wet weath er his hands sl ipped, he stumbled, and fell from the nce to the g round, a depth of 56 feet, striking violently against a scaffold and a girder in his descent. He was immediately conveyed to the above hospital, where it was found that his right arm was dreadfully fractured both above and below the elbow, and the right thigh also severely fractured. The com bined effects of the injuries and the shock resulted in the poor fellow's death on Friday morning. This frightful catastrophe has unhapp il y render ed the poo r w id ow completely deranged. Verdict, "Accidental death." SPECIAL PRIZES FOR T HE PARI S UNIVERSAL EXHIRI• TION OF 1855.—A notice from the Department of Science and Art has been issued, which states that 40 prizes of the value of Si. are to be awarded to those students who take medals in the greatest number of stages in each of the Exhibitions. Twenty prizes are to be awarded in the Autumn Examination of 1854, and twenty prizes in the Spring Exhibition of 1855. These prizes are to enable the most deserving students to visit the Paris Universal Exhibition of 1855, and each student will be required to make a written report of his observations on that Exhi bition. They will be awarded among the students of all the schools of art throughout the kingdom. B RITIS H MUSEUX.—Yesterday a return o bt a i ne d b y Mr. Evart was printed, showing the purposes to which the sum of 3,0001., granted for the purchas e o f co i ns and antiquities in the year ended the 24th March last, has been applied. The sum expended for coins and an tiquities in the year ending the 31st March was 2,1541. 17s. 6d. There are liabilities to 5201., leaving a balance of 425/. 2s. 6d. IMPERIAL PAR LI A. 7 t,i N HOUSE OF LORDS-(YESTERDAY.) PUBLIC REVENUE AND CONSOLIDATED CHARGES BILL. Earl GRANVILLE moved the third reading of the Public Revenue and Consolidated Fund Charges Bill, tho objects of which he described as being twofold : one was to bring into the Exchequer the gross revenue, leaving the expenses of its collection to be defrayed by the votes in Parliament • and the other was to remove from the Consolidated Fund certain salaries with which it has been hitherto charged, and to place them on the votes of supply. Lord MONTEAGLE moved that the bill be referred to a select committee. The object of the bill was to give Government a control over certain charges which had been purposely removed from it upon the grounds of political expediency. The transfer of a salary from the Consolidated Fund to the votes of supply subjected the recipient to the caprice of either the Minister or the House of Commons. By the operation of the bill, the salaries of revising barristers would be placed under the control of the House of Commons, which was a return to the system abolished by Sir R. Peel in 1343. The noble lord then went on to argue against the impolicy as well as the injustice of placing the salaries of the clerk of the patent entirely dependent on an annual vote, and he urged that the increased number of miscellaneous votes, which this bill went to swell, would almost double the time now appropriated to financial purposes, and to that extent lessen the time that could be applied to legis lative purposes. Designating the bill as anomalous in character and unjust in principle, he prayed the house to refer it to a select committee, in order that it might be more fully considered. After a few words from Lord BROUGHAM, who en tirely coincided with the reasoning of his noble friend Lord Monteagle. The Duke of ARGYLE said that the whole argument of the noble lord was founded upon the supposition that it was the rule to charge salaries upon the Consolidated Fund, and that it was the exception to vote them, whereas the contrary was the fact. Having instanced the fact that the Board of Health and the Poor-law Board, as well as the Insolvent Commissioners, held their offices dependent upon an annual vote, he main tained that the schedule of the bill was quite in the or dinary course. The reference to a select committee was therefore unnecessary, and he deprecated the adoption of such a proceeding as an unusual interference with the ordinary course of business. The motion to refer the bill having been agreed to, the other orders of the day were disposed, and the house ad journed. HOUSE OF COMMONS-(YESTERDAY.) MINISTER OF WAR. The house having gone into committee of supply, Lord J. RUSSELL said—Mr. Speaker, I am about to place on the table the estimate for the present year ending 31st March, 1855, to defray the expenses of the Secretary of State for the War Department; and in doing so I beg to recall to the attention of the house what has passed on previous evenings upon this subject. I think it was my hon. friend the member for Montrose (Mr. Hume) who, early in the session, stated his opinion—repeatedly ex pressed before—that the military departments in this country ought to be brought together, and especially that the Secretary of State for the War Department had not sufficient control over these military departments. A right hon. gentleman whom I see opposite (Sir J. Pakington), and who has been Secretary of State for the Colonies, added his opinion that the Secretary of State for the Colonies, although he was nominally Secretary of State for War, bad not the means in his department to carry into effect those resolutions which he might think neces sary for the public service. At a later period the hon. member for Surrey asked me a question in reference to this subject, and certainly received a very general assent from the house when he said that he hoped there would be a Minister of War. In answer to him, I stated that the subject was under the consideration of the Government. A little later I said that the Government had determined that the departments of Secretary of State for War and Colonies should be divided, and that further arrangements were in contemplation. I have now to give a general outline of the changes that aro in contemplation. In the first place, I beg to remind the house that two questions come under consideration together, but are of a very different character. The one is, whether in time of war it is desirable to keep united the offices of Secretary for War and for the Colonies ; and the other is whether, with a view to public convenience in the arrangements of the business of the departments, it is de sirable to make changes with regard to the military de partments, and to simplify and consolidate the business which they have to transact. With reference to the first question, the house is aware that during the late war the Secretary of State for War and the Colonies could devote his time and attention to the business of the war—to the fitting out of expeditions and the other military arrange ments—the colonial business at that time occupying only a comparatively small portion of his time. Since the peace, and especially during the last twenty years, the business of the Colonial Secretary has very greatly in creased. In almost every colony—even in some of the mi litary colonies—there have been discussions with respect to arrangements for the control of the public expenditure, and many questions, some of the highest importance, have arisen in our several colonies. It, therefore, appeared to the Government that, considering that question alone, it was not desirable to keep these offices united, and that although - it was physically possible for a person of great decision, of great habits of business, and of health which should be uninterrupted, to go through the business of the two departments, yet that it was desirable to separate them for the sake of the efScient discharge of the duties of each. The questions that would come before a minister in each department might be of the utmost importance. The fitting out of an expedition, the troops that are to com pose it, the points to which it is to be directed, the means that are to be employed, are all subjects involving ques tions that would require the sole and undivided attention of a man of the greatest practice in public business. On the other hand, alt hough it might happen that the consideration of colonial questions might often be postponed, still from time to time there do arise questions that cannot be deferred cousistently with the order and with the setisfaction of the colonies, and which require, both as to their principle and details, the undivided attention of the Secretary of State. On these grounds, therefore, seeing the great war in which we are engaged, the Government thought that these depart ments should be divided. With reference to the other question—which, as I said, is of a totally different nature —it is one that has from time to time occupied the atten tion of former Governments. It was not long after Earl Grey's Government was formed that the Duke of Rich mond represented to Lord Grey that it was very desirable to inquire whether the military departments might not be consolidated with advantage to the conduct of public busi ness. An inquiry was made into that subject by a com mission consisting, besides the Duke of Richmond, of the hon. member for Coventry (Mr. Ellice), and of Sir James Kemp. Thore was also employed, as secretary to the com mission, a man of considerable ability, Mr. John Bissett, once Commissary-General iu the Peninsula. But although the Duke of Richmond arrived at conclusions in which I was ready to concur, the Government did not think fit to adopt them, in consequence of the practical difficulty of putting them in force. At a later period the present Earl Grey, when Secretary at War, assisted by some of his colleagues, made very extensive inquiries, and proposed a different scheme of arrangements. To that scheme of arrangements, which consisted chiefly in placing the Secretary -at-War in the position, though with the functions and the proper attributes, of a Secretary of State, there were some objec tions, arising from the nature of the department, and there were also other practical objections of a most forcible nature which were stated by the Duke of Wellington. That plan was not adopted, and I do not know that any subsequent Government has proposed any inquiry into the subject. And although from time to time, up to the present day, several changes have been under consideration, no great or organie change has been adopted. In considering this subject, it has appeared to the Government that the chief inconvenience that we have to complain of is, that, the military depart ments being divided into several heads, there is no su preme head which should govern those departments gene rally, I have stated on former occasions that I do not think it any fault that separate official persons should have separate duties, although they may belong generally to one department. As on building this house, for instance, it, would be absurd to endeavour to consolidate and join the departments of the mason, the carpenter, and the brick layer, but it would be equally absurd to have three or four architects, who should give different opinions as to the general construction of the building. What is wanted, therefore, is, one head, who should be able to take into his view the wants, the requirements, and the duties of the several departments, and to govern them with full in formation and with decision, and be able to come to a final decision on the subjects which occupied his attention. One of the departments which it is most obvious should be placed under a Minister of War is the commissariat, which is now a department of the Treasury. There are reasons for that arrangement, connected not so much with the distribution of provisions and supplies for the army, as with the financial operations which the Treasury has to perform in our different colonies. Now, although the Treasury should have the general superintendence of the financial concerns of the public, there does not seem any convenience, but the contrary, in an officer of the Treasury having the regulation of the pay and distribution of ra tions to the troops. That is business which deed not pro perly belong to a department which has - the general super vision and control of the financies of the country; it is an executive function of itself, and therefore should belong rather to an executive minister, such as a Secretary of State, than to the department of the Treasury. The Government, therefore, therefore, are of opinion that, besides what I have stated to the general direction of the operations of the war, the mi nister Secretary of State for War should take the direction of the commissariat department. With respect to other questions, there are many changes which h a vetob e e fr c e o a n t: sidered ; but few which can at o nce be carried into In considering this subject, I remembzr that the Duke of Wellington gave the opinion that the plaster-G eneral the Ordnance was properly the officer oughtw i li t o he s h o uld have a e to e a l th o e f military adviser of the Government, that perfect knowledge of the military wants of the country, and should be able from time to time togmivielitthaeryCtaobpinicest. such advice as he should thin k p ro p er o n But although this is apparently, and may be occasionally, . it can very a very good arrangement , i t is obvious seldom be practicable. I f y ou could find h e a n t ordinary oc casions a general who had taken a political part and held the same opinions as the members of the Government, su pposing him to be in the p rime of life, and his opinions to beh held called din in regard to military subjects es teem, it would seem vary ht, ss hevtehreyr he o were generally the Master-General of the Ordnance or by some other name, that be should i be the military adviser of the Go vernment. But this s very seldom the case, and we vhich the office gene rally find that the mod e in this. You find a man e of Master- General has been suppli ed hurray, or Si r is ' of l grea t military distinction —Sir George M James K e mp, or the Marquis of Anglesey --appointed to fill the office, who has won great honours in the field, and who, therefore, is placed at. the head of the Ordnance de partment. B u t it is not satisfactory th a t , upon every occasion, the Government should l oo k t o that officer for the ma nagement of all the civil departments placed under his care. For observe that his office, instead o f being, as it was considered to be at o ne ae, the office_ of .a. military chief placed at the head of the artillery or engineers, and who is entrusted to provide arms foe the defence of the country, has added to its duties great civil functions, which arc connected at once with military and political duties in the State. For instance, take the subject of barrack accommodation for the troops at home and abroad, which is one of high importance, in volving various considerations, and for which estimates are presented to the house involving very considerable expen diture to the country. But the manner in which that question has been generally conducted is one which makes it very difficult to come to a permanently sound conclu sion. The Secretary for the Home Department, finding that there are riots a nd t umu lt s i n a p ar ti cu l ar di s t r i c t, ° and being told by persons resident in it that it would be a great security for them to have a garrison at a particular spot for their protection, takes measures to have barracks constructed in that locality. But it is obvious that the question of barrack accommodation in the United King dom involves both civil considerations of expense and mili tary considerations as to the stationing of troops at points where they are wanted, and from which a concentration might take place in a very short time. So likewise with regard to the colonies. At one time a long and volumin ous correspondence occurred, which has been referred to by Earl Grey on a recent occasion, with regard to the best mode of planting troops in the island of Jamaica. Opinions were given on the subject by persons of authority, who were sent out by the Ordnance department to the colony. Reports came back, which were referred to the Treasury. The Treasury then consulted the Secretary-at-War and the Master-General, and a year elapsed without a solution of that question. No , Y it is obvious that a Secretary of State for the War Department, having the authority which a Secretary of State has, being also connected with the Government, being by his office of Secretary of State a member of the Cabinet, would bring that question to a very speedy solution ; he would have an examination made with respect to the salubrity of the position pro posed for barracks, and with respect to its fitness for troops placed to defend the island ; and in this manner there might possibly be a considerable saving both of time and expense. Take, again, th e ques ti on of fortifications, which is cue of the highest importance both at home and abroad. I will not now touch on that part of the subject which relates to our home defences, but take the fortifica tions of any particular colony, such as Trinidad or Masai tins. The select committee of the house appointed some years ago to inquire into onr military expenditure, mad e a report in which they desired that the Government would fully consider the question, and it is obvious that it is one requiring considerable attention, and mixed up with the whole policy of the State in respect to future arrangements of the connection with our dependencies. I remember, with reference to Gibraltar, when I had the honour of being Secretary of State for the Colonies, a committee was appointed consisting of several high military authorities, and a considerable time passed before they came to any de cision. A Master-General of the Ordnance, not politically connected with the Government of course. rather hesitates to give an opinion, by which very considerable expense may be incurred, without being fully aware of the views of the Cabinet on this subject. A Minister of War would be enabled to collect afl the materials necessary for form ing a judgment ou this subject, and before the estimates for the year were prepared he would have gone over them, and would have informed the Government what measures were in his opinion necessary, and whether it was advisable that any further expenses should be incurred, or whether any retrenchment could be effected. So with regard to our West India Islands; several years ago it was found that those islands, having been occupied in time of war by large bodies of troops, had a great number of forts mounted with cannon, which required small parties of artillery to be posted in different places in order to keep them in repair, and ques tions arose as to the arrangements which should be made for these objects. Upon such points the opinion of a Secretary of State for War would probably be of great use in drawing up the estimates. With regard to the department of Secre tary-at-War, there are less changes that can bo made. The business of the Secretary at War is chiefly one of details; if you have 100,000 men, you have a certain estimate and various arrangements consequent on that number, and so if you have 20,000, or 30,000, or 40,000. A good deal of consideration is required in order to fix the point at which your establishment should be kept ; but that having been done, there are few questions of difficulty which arise. Except in regard to the commissariat, I cannot now enter into any outline of the official arrangements which will be made, The question has be en f oun d one o f muc h diffi cu lty by the Governments of Earl Grey and Lord Melbourne, and I think it better that tho head of the department, an active man of business like the noble duke who is now at the head of it, should take into his consideration what changes are expedient in the whole department, and should propose them when they are required. With regard to the commissariat, I see no objection which can be made to i s etaGota thought oeo hi viru e e c pg r l h raehn e r a i th. willaoangennn e e ng g acot w eel e nmsc e l t soyh h aeb p arnj a s r yrea t t o ty l e c: fs : ohot n s rha e n b l : ebho i ; secagp t nrhharotear service,officialtntdepartment e arrangements person irtaanawb who a nt;h r se,i r : a at. arrangements, ml e twl awin.mly e Ih n .ata t bkhbt s eeee. , cheerfully acceded to. In reference to the militia, I think the arrangement prevailing at present is that the embodied militia comes under the Secretary -at-W ar and the Com mander-in-Chief, but the disembodied militia is under the Secretary for the Home Department. As at pre o sent advised, we do not think it expedient that any thelett withob't:ahaspne' ullyehe. not see that there is any change should be male in that respect; if it should be thought necessary, it can bo made at any time ; but the present arrangement being one that concerns the colonels of militia, and other officers who are in the habit of trans acting business with the Home Department, there appears no advantage in making any other change. The great ad vantage which I think will be gained by our measure is the separating the civil from the military department, a great part of the business now done at the Board of Ord nance under a military chief being entirely of a civilnature. It appears to me, whatever may be the mode in which you arrive at the result, that the Commander-in-Chief and the Master- General cf the Ordnance, if those two offices are to continue separate, or the head of both combined if they are to be united, should have the whole control of the dis cipline and patronage of the army, including the artillery and engineers, and that, on the other hand, the civil de partments should have the whole of the arrangements that are necessary for the lodging of the army, the fortifications at home and abroad, the provisioning and pay of the troops. When these changes shall have been effected, the House f Commons will,then have before it, on the respon sibility of the Secretary of State for the War Department, the whole military expenditure of the country. Therefore, if there should be any complaint with respect to furnishing provisions for the troops, for instance, instead of saying that the arrangements of the Treasury have been defective the house will call on the Secretary for the War Depart ment to answer, and will consider him responsible, for arrangements which must at all times entail a very heavy burden on the country. These, sir, are the general arrangements which are in contemplation. I have already said that I think there are others which must bo carried into effect from time to time. It would be impossible to carry them into effect at present, now that we are at the beginning of a war, when the Secretary , of State is fully employed by those urgent and impor tant duties which belong to the Minister who is to super intend the military expenditure of the country, and give directions for the employment of our forces. What I have to ask of the committee, therefore, having explained the general views of the Government, is to allow time for car rying into effect the new arrangements on the responsibi lity of Ministers. There are at presort two offices at the Board of Ordnance vacant which aro usually held by mem bers of the House of Commons, that of Surveyor-General, and that of Secretary to the Master-General of the Ord nance. It is not intended without full consideration to fill up those offices, at least in the way in which they h ave been hitherto filled. At present the only opinion I can give is, that whilst it may not be necessary to keep up the office of Secretary to the Master-General with so largo a salary as hitherto, it will be necessary to appoint a Sur veyor-General to the Ordnance department. But if that department is kept up as before, it may be advisable slither to appoint a person who has a competent knowiedge of the important duties that belong to that department than a member of this house not hitherto conversant with those duties. But lam asking now that the whole subject may be reserved for the consideration of the Government, and shall put the vote into Jour hands with that understand ing. I should mention that a considerable part of the ex pense has been already voted, about 2,000/. a-year or more of salaries having been included in the estimates for the Colonial department, and other sums,- of which I do not know the exact amount, having coming under the heads of the Treasury and Home departments. With respect to the cot ces to be created, I should state first that the military Under Secretary of State was appointed before the separation of the offices by the Duke of Newcastle, when he was Secretary of State for War and the Colo nies. With respect to the other under secretary, the purpose of appointing him is, that he may conduct cor respondence, and transact other business coming imme diately under the control of the Secretary of State. But the person who is to fill that office will have no lasting tenure of it until the final arrangements are made, so that the present one will be merely provisional. With respect to the three classes of clerks, it is intended that they shall be all of them taken from offices in which they are at pre sent serving. There will be a certain number appointed as probationary clerks, who will receive salaries of 1001. and 1501. a-year ; the senior and junior clerks will rise as in other offices, but they will not, for the present, have higher salaries. With the explanations I have given to the house, I beg to move the vote in the hands of the Chairman. Sir J. PAKINGTON had listened to the noble lord with the greatest astonishment and disappointment. The noble lord had told them that he had stated the views of the Government ; but it appeared to him that that was exactly what he had not done, and he could only understand from the noble lord's speech, with the single exception that the commissariat was to be transferred from the Treasury to the new department, that the Government had formed no views on that subject, and had called into existence a new department of the State, creating a new officer of the high. est class, without having at all determined what his duties were to be, or what were to be the new arrangements on this subject, which, under the force of eisting circum stances, was become one of the most important that could occupy the consideration of the house. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord, in the outset of his observations, had done him the honour to refer to some remarks that fell from him in a former discussion during the pre sent session upon this subject. H® entirely agreed with fu t o h r ireh any yp b i e y publiclordengaged to h ga gseear servant at i l s t Nh e v x oal t rd e ni t h tg , t htha a ea t o n ifi o now becomethat ms w ep e cor sewstiabe Secretary y e e the .sa G mH o ee lo th n iam ie d s e rt a oh ( i iig tee u dw a t ho e ui l e y th to discharge its duties and devolvedthisas stronglyupon a t s h h e e WcoaurlaMoin nfa r s t t h e r e the occasion to which he referred, and the same view had been enforced in a most able speech in another place by the noble earl wh o was h is (Sir J. Pakington's) predecessor in the Colonial -office. But the Government ought not to have rested content with stating that they had arrived at the conclusion that it was necessary to separate those two offices. They had a right to expect that, before the Go vernment asked them to vote an estimate for the establish ment of a new department of State, they would have made up their minds what the duties of the new secretary were to be, and in what manner the present anomalies and inconvenienees incident to the administration of the army were to be remedied. (Hear, hoar.) He hardly thought that the country was aware that under the present manage ment of our military forces there were six different heads of authority. The regular army, infantry, cavalry, and artillery, was mainly managed by the Commander-in-Chief and the Master-General of the Ordnance ; the enrolled pen sioners, he believed, were under the management of the Secretary-at-War ; the dockyard battalions, he rather thought, were under the management of the Admiralty; the commissariat was under the Treasury; and as for the yeo manry and the militia, it would be very difficult to say under what authority they were—they were under a great vari et y of authorities. If the subject was to be approached by the 97 6 7i 91 4i 3 104} 23i 102} 21 2 xl 68 71 27} %Me return for .25,707 1 8 5,610 18 7 XB6 3 J. Government, they were bound to have made . up their •- • , - _ .- - - mind in what manner they would arealginisife. cen.-..„, solidate the six di ff erent branches of-our milita -fotifts It Coin: and the authorities by whom they mere Aifeeteffi _,..this tie, remind the house that this was by flo mearrs! •4 111 4 0-41112. ject, but o ne t o which the attention of Govimmentlaiideai , .. l''''', liament h a d a t di fferent times been - Aireited.f ~ ' lyekille_ ,h111,:,":' lord had remi n d e d them of the fact hatee loil vesse*JMPV,•-- the Duke of Richmond held office 'n the inVieeef • + of Earl Grey, a comm i ssion was ap intedeon ies , - 4 ,./ of which the nobl e l or d was a member`, and -lietia also to the 'Commission subsequently appted i-4 ltrllek . vor e t l i, which Earl Grey, then Lord Howick, and SeEretath a st War, officiated at chairman, and of which the noble land as well as the noble viscount at the head of the Home de.. partment were members. That commission made a very elaborate report in the year 1837, recommending that the anomalous state of things to which he had adverted should be abolished, that the Commander-in-Chief and Master• General of the Ordnance should continue to discharge the functions pertaining to the strictly military branch of their offices, but that the civil duties of the•varlet:mdse. partments should be consolidated, that the Secretary at War should have a seat in the Cabinet as the responsible minister in that house, though not a Secretary of State; should be transferred also, b ifbe rece t recollected the new department,drightly,thatecommissariatand taksa. away from the Treasury. The noble lord had told theist that, in consequence of certain objections of the. Du ke oat,. but Wellington, those recommendations were not earn t, , the commission, and, having concu rred mad*. but he had not told them that he rredhad in e e i n te a report, mene 01. 12 , 21. 0 he now dissented from the recommendations t hen m. Neither had the noble lord adverted to the fact, no t uiii___ portant as bearing on this question, that in the yea r e 1 33 8 , PU a committee of that house was appointed to inquirw_i t to the details of the army and ordnance expenditure, m it a , was selected with great care, and contained members s c ue oirnmpeetmber enttoftehr T ed e i t s n ch es arke nr o d f their seym duties, e t i h n e g n ehs ob i le re_ l i eg . They restated i n th e i r re p or t the recommendations of_ta. committee of 1837, and declared their conviction that thew should be acted upon. Here was a third recent and cent' : patent authority which recorded its opinion that the cite ing anomalies should be removed, and the inconvenience* of the present system corrected ; but to the report of t h at committee the noble lord had made no reference whatevel He certainly had felt very great surprise that with a war hanging over us, with almost the certainty that as soon *1 Parliament met we should find ourselves embarked in IP serious and too probably protracted contest, the Govern* went had not directed their attention to this subject dui.. ing the leisure of the recess, in order that they might be prepared when Parliament met, to present a complete scheme for the consolidation of the different departments connected with the management of the army. After Par liament met, of course the unsatisfactory state a Our military administration became the subject of comment in both houses. It was brought under the notice of the other house by a noble earl, and was brought forward •in that house by the hon. member for Montrose. In that debate, the right hon. gentleman the Secretary-at-War made a speech contending that, in spite of the anemones complained of, the existing state of things ought to con tinue ; and after quoting some opinions of Lord Grey, he sa id :—" If Lord Grey thinks there is a time when no alterations should be made a fortiori, the present is a mo ment when, in my opinion at least, it would be dangerous to make such a change as that proposed by my hon. friend* —namely, that there should be a change in the management of the army, and a consolidation of the different branches of the service. "At any time, continued the right hon. gentleman, " I think you ought to proceed step by step, bat at this moment I do not believe you could undertake a more have th e greatest pressure t to e n te r on a seri ous contest, and when you w rash experiment than when you avuahreau on your energies and resources from being engaged in a hot _ _ war." The noble lord (Lord J. Russell) also remarked, " My right h on . f r iend has explained the great difficulty and i n co n lenience th a t wou ld arise from attempting to carry into effect a new organisation of the departments at a moment when they are all required to make the utmost .exertions in the preparation of the expedition now on its way to the to the East. Instead of being a great public convenience, I believe it would be a great public inconvenience, if the carrying out of these arrangements were to be transferred to any other department." In that debate it was an nonnced that all the Government intended to do was, to add a new secretary in the colonial department, consider ing the pressure of business. He confessed he yielded to the force of the argument then used, and ho thought the prudent course of the Government was to go on with the existing state of things, adding, however, another - Under- Secretary of State for the Colonial Department, until the recess should enable them to address themselves to the whole subject, with the view of laying some definite plan before Parliament at the commencement of the next ses sion. It was, however, with some surprise that he learned, during the Whitsuntide holidays, that the Government had determined to establish a new department, with a Secretary of State at the , head of it. He thought that the original opinions of the t toble lord (Lord John Russell) on this subject were wiser th an those which ho subsequently adopted. It would have been far better, in his judgment, if the noble lord had deferr ed, until this session was over; any fresh arrangement. EL,' thought that would have been a better and a wiser plan the ii to come as he now did, with an imperfect proposal, establishing a new department, end a new Secretary of State, with out having determined, ex cept in-one single respect, what the duties of that new de partment and that new Secretary of State were to be. (Hear.) He did not understand the noble lord to express any decided opinion that the mana&nernent of barracks and fortifications was to be transferred to the new department, or that the Government had made up its mind in any re spect as to what the duties of this new' department were to be, except that the commissariat was to be trans ferred to the new Secretary of State. But that which must have struck the country most was, that which ap peared to him to be, at this moment, the .anomalous posi tion of the Secretary at War. (Cheers from the Opposi tion.) The country must have been surprised to find that, when the Government had so far matured their opinions as to make up their minds to the creation of a new depart. ment and a new Secretary of State, the Secretary at War was to continue in existence at the head of an important public department, and still to be a Cabinet Minister. (Hear, hear.) What authority did the noble lord find for that in any one of the reports to which he had referred ? Ile (Sir John Pakington) knew of no recommendation which had contemplated the simultaneous existenee of a War Minister in the Cabinet, and a Secretary of War in the Cabinet. (Hear, hear.) That anomalous state of affairs, he thought, was the strongest proof that could have been afforded that the Government, from some motive or other-- he could not venture to say what the influence might be—had changed their opinions, and their intended mode of action. For some reason or other it seemed to have been thought desirable to add a new Minister to the Cabinet during the Whitsuntide recess; and now, to his (Sir John Pakington's) extreme surprise, they were about to vote this KIM of money for the establishment of a new department and a new Secretary of State, whose duties were not defined, and whose duties it was clear the Go vernment themselves had not determined upon. (Hear, hear.) He thought the house bad great reason to feel dis satisfied with this most unsatisfactory state of things. He thought they had a right to some explanation' as to the difference of the duties of the Secretary of State for War and of the Secretary at War, both of them being Cabinet Ministers ; and he should sit down in the hope that they should have some explanation of what the views of the Government were, more satisfactory and more full than that which had been afforded by the noble lord the Presi dent of the Council. (Cheers from the Opposition.) Mr. S. HERBERT—I am afraid that that state of re• gret, surprise, and astonishment in which the right hon. baronet usually finds himself—(a laugh)—at estate of things to which ho cannot give his consent, will not be, and can not be, relieved by anything that I have to address to the committee ; but I hope I shall be able to make clear to the great body of the committee what are the intentions of the Government, and to defend the course taken by the Go vernment, which has been so impugned by the right bon. baronet. He is surprised that we, who so short a time ago expressed opinions diametrically opposed to making any change in the military departments, should now suddenly propose to make a complete reconstruction of those depart ments. Tho right hon. baronet quoted from memory one or two extracts from a speech that I had made on this subject, in order to show that I at least had expressed an opinion in favour of a perfect system. I think the cum mittee will do me the justice to believe that at the Lime when we before discussed this question there was no want of frankness on my part in stating my opinions on the sub ject. I have held my present office in the Government on two separate occasions, and having turned my attention, a good deal to this subject, I thought it would be imper ithenot of tinent in me, though not speaking with outline of a uthorit y defects what ap peared to me were the principalofthe existing the Government, to and of the measures which seemed necessary to re• system, Now , it is quite true that I had spoken 'those defects. , give a genera spoken in reprobation of the arguments used for a con solidation of the military departments, grounded on the misunderstandings which had arisen between the dif ferent military and civil officers at the commencement of the present century. Now, a great deal of public feeling has been excited upon this subject which is en tirely uncalled for. We have great difficulties to con tend with in dealing with th ese d epartments ; and I say t t i o t ethat anecdotes —(a but s( let a i, n u g s h first )_ in got whichrid , 0 1 eft all t a h p e p s l e y p o r u e r .A se d l v a e m s occasion ii inaoirrnipeyeNvwsaeaorsini arising hnh t ig o sa in i r n (oi indulge, az g vni e d y,h,butWhat I which meant are t e in t imatewholly that dsiosafgarreefmroemathb between a being h nowthe a mili tary and civil departments, that had passed that I w as a li ve to the inconveniences of th e present butsys tem. The Commander-in-Chief has not that knowledge of what is being done by the Ordnance department which I think is exceedingly desirable For example, a fortifi cation may be made in any part of the island, and that fortification when made, may be disapproved of by the Commander-in-Chief. I think that is a great evil. You have there the separate action of two departments of great importance, uncontrolled by any superintending authority. You may, however, consolidate departments, and they may become inefficient from over-consolidation. I am not, indeed, at all certain in respect to the efficiency of the Ordnance department that you are not suffering from over consolidation rather than the want of it. What you most want is, not so much the consolidation of the different de partments, but one supervising authority, with a view to make all of them actin harmonious combination. (Cheers-) I said at that time that it appeared to me the of our troops in the field and at home by a dep h a a r t tm which has, practically, nothing at all to do with t t in reference to sub ject, but which has a great deal to do with i in principie. the cash supplies for carrying it on, was wrong ils a depart- I think the department of the treasury,.w. ja rrative depart ment of check, but which is not an salve 'n ot that kind; and ment, should not be intrusted with a duty provisioning riat should be ualitarY departments. I removed from the Treasury to the the Ordnance might be di. I suggested that the direction of the porn . miss.% have expressed my opinion thatnow, indeed. M•a sense di vided into two portions. They are governed by the same the military department. There is, therefore, a in the same manner. i t . s r": s a f t e t r e r r e , d w t e o shhialbal find is, wi l . man, but not two portions of the department of vided into two portions; f i o t r i t s here is the l sod there is distinction between the the Ordnance; but whether the Commander-in-chief should. have question for consideration. I have n'o doubt, when a grave er th s when we come e sound and valid reasons for that opinion. there are some My own impression was that the Commander-in-Chief was the artillery to gaondfutrhteheernginintoe. the proper person to have the direction and command of the whole personnel of the army, including the artillery and engineers, and that there should be left to the Ordnance only the civil department, or that which dealt with the great subjects of clothing, stores, and the like. Thatmight be open to misunderstanding; but that it should have been misinterpreted by the right hon. baronet as being a coin• plete adhesion to the existing system, does, I confess, in spire me with some of those feelings of surprise with , which he appears on this occasion to be oppressed. (Hear.) The right hon. baronet says the GoTernment ought to baTlboa Pdd.l 50 25 12 13 20 20 100 100 18$ 9i all 100 5 100 all 5 10 St. 5 100 100 100 6 100 12i 12i 25 all ' all all all all 100 24 - 35 4i 1361 581 i .+