The Sun. — London, England, 1830-11-04 00:00:00

• s • :fiteentmental polities the c ons t an t the tne of disenssion ? • He protested against that pert of the Address which retrain to the •Netherlanda. With reference to another part which related to our home policy, every one concurred in the ne cessity of repressing disturbance and calling back the Ms , guided to obey the laws, but he was sorry that his Majesty had not been advised to follow up the sentiments of the Speech with some expression of sympathy for the distresses of the people.—(Hear.) Thero might and ought to have been a recommendation to take into consideration the state of the labouring and agricultural population, with a view to affording them relief. A great p ort i on o f t h e ev il s of the country was created by misdirected legislation. To excessive taxation and the operation of the Cern Lawa, which, however agreeable to the landed interest, were in ' compatible with the prosperity of the labouring classes, . much of the distress was attributable. We should direct our attention to endeavour to provide employment to the industrious classes, and afford them meana of existences in that way, and by a reduction of taxation affecting the no ' cessaries of life, • and by nn alteration in the Corn Laws. Mr. Alderman WAITIIMAN nbserved that it was painful to him to be compelled to make observations which mialit seem to imply disapprobation. of the Speech froni the Throne, for nu one had entered those walls with a stronger desire to give . hi 4 support to Government in all matters affecting the public interest, with respect to which . Minister s s h ould appear to adopt the right courses. Itwass matter of regret with him, that, in the present situation of the country, his Majesty had omitted all notice of the dies; tress which prevailed but too generally among his subjects. Ile entered his protest against that part of the Speech which indicated a disposition to interfere in the affairs of • the Netherlands. Such interferenee was at variance with s the feelings of the public at large.--( Hear.) Ile knew, from communications which he had that day bad with dif ferent individuals in the city, that the idea of interference had caused a great degree of irritation.—(Hear.) The lion. Member proceeded to complain of the conduct pur sued by Government with respect to 'Reform ; if Ministers Were hostile ton Reform of Parliament, they ought at least to have taken the opinion of the new House of Commons ;an the subject before declaring their resolution, and they should have shown themselves willing to yield to the press anre of circumstances ilhoetile to their- opinious ; but in dividuale semetimes profited by experience, governments never. lie might have' passed over the omission of all reference to• Reform in the King'w Speech, the rather as there would have been future opportunities for supplying , it, but that he had learned from another quarter, with the . deepen regret, that an expression had been uttered on the •-part of the Government, to the effect that Ministers neis they intended themselves to agitate; one support if intros by others, the question of Parliamentary Reform— . "ear, hear.) The Alderman proceeded to instance sam e of the defects at present existing in the representation, And referred to the fthe t teats for which sled he La" Garton, wo w are It was quite. notorious were regularly sold when vacancies occurred, It was against the system which admitted of the existence of rotten boroughs that he protested--he did not censure individuals for dealing in seats 50 l ong as that system was continued. If he were the owner of Garton, probably be might sell the represen tation ax others, did, and no doubt he should he thought a great fool if he did nut.__( Laughter.) It would be better far Ministers to concede Reform in time,. and with a good grace, for th e day Would come when it could no longer be r"i ' le d• 1 say (added the 'Hon. Aldermen) that day will tome upon you like a thief in the night....-(Great laughter.) Ile trusted that Ministers might be ;tutored to reconsider and retract their opinions on the subject of Parliamentary 'Reform. Hs attributed the distress which existed to want un ployment and contract i on o f cap i ta l. S trange as i t tnay seem, th ere existed at the same moment a great deal 'ofever-Production, anti while Such causes were at work, it wal in vain to expect any permanent relief from a dimi ,nution or remission of taxes. Mr, C. FEAGUSSON could not concur in the amend ment, although he expressed his disapprobation of that .Part of the Spee c h and Add ress w hi c h f e l ate d to th e a ff a i rs e! th e Netherlands. He would not give any opinion as to t he merits of the quarrel between the King and the people la that countrys-h e would not give any opinion on the subject of the affairs of France, hnt'at the same time he i llaught if we considered the situation of matters as they otal at p resent,. that the words of the Royal Speech were ea t leulated to do infinite mischief, instead of restoring ta nql4iiiitY in th e N et h er l ands, and ef f ect i ng t h e un i on o f tile two countries. His Majesty was' made to talk of three- Ode; of the population of the entire country as revolted subjects. We talked of these men as revolted subjects, and yet these trete the men wits had raised armies, taken towns, and attacked citadels. The persons at the head of it P '" i 'inal government were those with whom we ,thould have to treat if we were really in earnest in our !in t to tranquillise the Netherlands. If ever any treaty twiieto Such to be made, these men must be parties to the nego .on. .stien worsts, then, as those used in the Spe e ch W cre• to say the least of them, unnecessary, when it was 1m ea s y to adopt another mode of expression. It would 'nye been easy to state that his Majesty regretted that the attempts of the King of Holland to bring about a reecerioilia lien with the people of the Netherlands had failed. On the, 'subject ef the revolution in France, he believed there was, .fit one opinion, hut upon that of the Netherlands he knew that a eolodderable difference of opinion slid exist. How lett, we should take the authorities in the Netherlands as ers found them, and we should not use any language in t l Peehing of them which would tend to excite, irritation, . 4 throw , ohstaele in . the way of, that amicable negotie tion'which it wise, hi presumed, desired to set on font ; 1 4 " he could not hring himself to believe that the Go ernment 4 this' Count intended an be took th, curliest opportunity ry of stating, but t au a er? repi d est•otattwo nr tunetituents, lie would never consent to the shedding of nor, dro p of English blood, or the expending of theamallest rtiouis,itef .the r ea l m , f or t h e purpose of forcing the'King of I . l enti on the peop l e o f th e Netherlends.—(Hear.)— dad not mean to say that the words of the speech ne- Zthsarily conveyed FM intention of war on the part of this 4 ; 11 ,7" but that they referred rather to mediation ; but s was not the usual cuitoin of mediators to begin by sreat • th en enin g and calling namec— ( Cheers.)—lle must :I:fore think that' the use of the . Words "revolted sub. to adopt the phrase lately used in another -.1 7) 'writ‘., inopportune.":-(;Tome Members 80111, ~,!I n tOvvartl.")s---No ; the wor d t o which he 'referred was I "PPorturte '" fur he would ask with what face could Ise sts . ? d to medi a t e or negotiate with parties whom Learn'at hrintled 'am " revolted sulsjecti 2" The Hon. and uC ed Gentleman then went on to 'show, that the spirit lus t e treaties to which we had become party' was to .1 464, 4 .. tee the ,united kingdom of Holland and the Nether- Tre,m,foreign aggreesion, but the! any armed inter t c ee "eiWten the subjects of these two countriee Wes eh ° ' n 'eMidateti; 'anti that we were not called upon by lave treatise to take any part' in the contest'between the § ,, o g Of Holland and his Tiedgie - subjects. The chief thing t ,,s l aa guarant ee d was the integrity of the two countries tai:,r:tlunsier one Government; hat let it be considered that t i o. , te latesty had himeelfstubmitted the question of the' le is : e aeperistion of th re e two portions of the ki ng dom 447 eStatea-General, and flint their High Mightinesses pct, h i .of. the' separation; so that, in ...A t :Z. the very thing which were called on to guarantee on of the two kingdoms -.'shad been broken by the sla y t he King and the StateesGeneral. There was toi , _le other :point in the Speech front the Throne to ' e h h int would advert, that was the'point 'relating testlie 'eons, etween ' E ngland end' Ireland. He was toast stre h Y () Molted to th r • o fas • s e fel t 8 " MO tatOri t h at U nion , because "t:ineed , that if carried into effect, it would . be ' l .4 e rilia of tood Ireland. He had not yet heard of any one ttia .i!tinient ill favour ; of such separation. If. it Worn n ipit 7. o t ul the is terestnof Ireland were not attended to in. tro y 0! he must deny it. He denied that there was 4,0;,`" attrition to those interests, or any want Or this gmffi n un the part of English Members to do every, 4.lr.itthivat. could be done fOr Ireimul. If more was nOt 01140 the means did not exists.and because (41afitiiiient assistence was not given to that object from Ire itisi L en/414 The given had been cited WO Iron. Len a ,he .-74"ernher for Vi r aterford in support of his view' igrirrhonswere those of the Stibsletting Act, and the etottement of the forty-Sbilling freeholders. These i ti tss b een Productive of much individual suffering, itist. d Y 0 10 unfeeling conduct of many Of the .tanolortis. • Alt the Sub-letting Act was, he might s.o4l,:'letii,tv,tekof thsiJrini Members themselves, and it was eldeh• i i '.," 49l 's , nPort others the lame of a wafture au not work e d SMath ,ht so well na was expected. The 0 t . - ' had, his must say, taken a warm 111.- 4, , 1 1 11 Irish matters, arid for his 'own part he would "Y harl.been Onei of the first, end not an Irish allele ! i i t ° aPP4an the equelis of h duties t "t ar n t w ._ . IL 100 t st. mottles, by raising those of Ireland to the ir b ili n ci n ps heel cif i:arnr . ,tlx . in Atts4nti, (Inc word as to another ; 4 4 s t- j ,,!_ /ion. 4110 Ititrti, Member for 'Crated:9rd. to contnleined of the facility given to ebetly, estuld ° teCt his tenant, for non-payment of rent, „A t ,e doubt that the lentilord bad the clearest th. "73 et Ilia tenant his rent were not Paid; and. ,I)":Zl t 'ettaes of that precise were reduced, it must Isti the who 'tiltiUustely would to pay ersd n.: 4n4 Learned Geutleman, who ,de 'el of this ex" a regal reformers complained of the renness : Dn. pe r t i tse of an ejectment froni t 71. ,to 22., s r i g i7 rci ei h . ng husk the blessing of` inheavy empentist s 14 7lites tka s a `,.!!'lnetle' bringing ejeetrneota for stens' ft#13‘...01.14: h#lod o paftigs won the • Hon. and I.. ! eaynecl Gentlen-lilt's notion of legal reform,. if this were his 'cheap law, he certainly could not concur with him in his opinion of either.—(Hear.)—Yet this was also one of the argsunents urged by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman in fteoui of a repeal of the Union. He did not object to the Hon. Gentleman fur having an opinion in'favour of that repeal. The question was a con stitutional one; and he only 'wished that he would fix a day to bring it fikward and have the sense of the Muse taken upon it. 'There was a precedent for such a motion. In the House - of Lords, soon after the p tssing of the Act of Union with Scotland, a motion Was made for leave to bring in a Bill fur _repeal, and it was lost only by a Majority of 'four. Now he would say, that if the Hon: and Learned Gentleman should have the whole of his minority amount to four, be might think himself very locky;—(He'ar, and a laugh.)—lle had heard too much of the public and private conduct of the Hop. and Learned Member to ithpute to him any improper motive. The whole of his life showed that lie acted for what he con sidered the interest of Ireland, Ile had done much for his country, as much in het as King, Lords, and Commons; yet, giving him credit for what he had dope, he could wish that he would confine his efforts for the repeal of the Union to the walls of that House, and that he would use his great eloquence and his powerful influence, to per /made that Wine, rather than the forma!irm of societi ' out t.f it, such as they had seen in Ireland, and 'that be would abstain from such a practice as the collection of rent, to be' paid out for any purpose, legal or illegal. The principle was a bad one, and Might load to dangerous abuSe.. Io conclusion, the Hon. and Learned Gentleman again expressed his objection to that part of the' speech and the address which referred to theyeople of Belgium. Mr. CRIPPS next addressed the }Lime, but, for the greater part: was very imperfectly heard in the gallery. We understood him to say, that the alltasion made in the ,Spetch to the present state of helgitun could not 'he con. : street) into - any intention of war on the part - Of this coon.' try, and he was sure no such intention existed. The words of the speech referred rather to the dispositiori of Govern-. ment to restore. tranquillity there .by,ntediation,itand that Wax very' natural on the part of Government with respect to a tintiri•ry in which be felt so deep an interest. The Hon.- Member also expressid his regret at the delusion which existed amongst some of the labouring classes, and• which led them to acts of riot and outrage ; .but he was sure - that they, were urged to those depredations by those Who Should have given them better advice; and . he was' convinced that notwithstanding what had occurred in some nlacJs, the mass of the people were sound at bottom. As to It eland, it was in a much more tranquil state then the exaggerated' aecounts'or some individuals would lead us to believe. The agriculturists of that country were every day getting an increased vent for their produce, to the:great disadvantage of the British. farettir and vizier, tort to the great advautage of Ireland generally. Ireland - Was so'closely linked with this country that it was impos sible 'for the latter to be prosperous unlesS the former w.s so also. A.great Aral had been said about the word " en. lightened," but he thought Hon. Members had not suffi- ' "dent means of judging of the character of the Govern inent of the Netherlands.—(Hear.)--His Majesty's Mini ster* pos%eased, ao doubt, a better opportunity*of knoWing the nature of that Government. He did not know what 'objection could be taken to the course proposed by Mi nisters, of offering themselves as mediators between the •people of Belgum and the King of Ho]land. If they went to far as to enter Upon a war, detested at the pre sent moment, and deprecated by all Englishmen-q Hear) —it would be then time enough to oppose them.--(Cries of " No, no.") Sir G. MURRAY would not trespass long on the time of the House, AS he fully coincided in the wish expressed by his Right Hon. Friend,, that short speeches might be come the habit of the House. In the first place * he r was desirous , of stating his opinion, that it was indispensable that the repeal of the Union between England and Ireland should not take,place.--.. (Hear, hear.) Ile fully concurred in the feeling which had been uneadinously eapressed , that the prbsperity of Ireland and Great Britain was insepa rably linked together ; and that tiny Measure tending to separate them would he highly prejudicial to both countries. Nothing, he conceived, was so important to the empire at large as the proapotity of Ireland,,—nothing. was more 'calculated to maintain and strengthen the kingdom,_and nothing would more effectively prOmote prosperity hi 'be hind, than by giving to that country a full participation in all the blessings and advantages whichisve ourselves eh- The great evil of Ireland wag, that no sooner was one ranee of agitation removed than soother was creeted.—(Hear, hear.) He hoped the present cause of agitation would meet with little success. He trusted that the good sense of the p e opl e o f Ireland would, after some little delusion perhaps at first, effectually put down the proposition for the repeal of the Union which had been brought forward.—(llear, bean) With respect to the Sub-letting Act, he considered it a measure good in itself, though it might perhaps have ben carried into execution with too harsh a hand. In diacuseing that part of his Ma jesty's Speech which alluded to the affairs of Belgium, some lion. Gentlemen seemed to have drawn an inference that unjust and hostile interference was thereby thteittened. Yet,' as fee at he could form an opinion of that part of his Majesty's' SPeech, he 94 no reason for thinking that any intention to interfere in such a manner was implied. —(Hear.) He eoiild net conceive how his. Majesty's speech could be thought to express any intention of hos tile or military interference in the internal affairs of the Pletherlands.—(Hear.)—The-great principle of the British Government wat the principle of non-interference. Cases might occur, lie hoped rarely, in which interference would be necessary ; but such cases would form the exception, -and not the rule. All, however, that was expreased by his filajeliVe speech Was, that a mediation shoiild take piece, and there was nothing in the treaties by which the kingdom or the Netherlands was settled to exclude the Powers %ilia' were parties to them, from mediating.' Some thing hail been said about the linnolicy'of Great Britain meddling with the affairs of Europe, but he thonght it was impossible for this country. to detach itself from the affaire of the other nations of Europe. The King's Si eettli expressed a desire to preserve the repose of the world, and there was nothing to indicate a disposition on the part of Government to involve this country in war.—(Hear.) Tlie policy of the Government was peace.--(licar, bear 4 —Government had been some time taunted by its oppo nents for not having interfered in the affairs of Pokugal. Government lied been pressed to interfere in the affrirs of Portugal ! Government hail ken blamed for not allowing t roo p s to assemble in this country with the intention of proceeding to Portugal; But had Government permitted these troops to assemble, what a dangerous precedent would have been established! The. Ex-Sovereign of France would then. have had a right to be allowed to assemble troops in this country, for the.purpose of disturbing the existing Government of the French nation. 'rile principle ,upon which the Government acted, Was to afford an asylum tam think, unfortunate persons who fled to this country, so long as they abstained from, prac tice,' which might involve the country in the quarrels of other nation*. The Hen. MeMber oppOsite (Mr, C. Forgesson) had censured the,use of the words cc revolted subjects," and contended th a t th e y imp u t e d bl ame to th e people o f Ilelginin who opposed the King of Holland.— BR he-begged to 'observe that the revolt of the Low Countries against 'Philip of Spain was spoken of in his tory, without any, intention of disapproving Of the etintluot of the people, as that revclt was considered to be perfectly justifiable. Snme 'reference, had been made to the Holy Alliance;-" but •he begged distinctly to state that this country had never been a metriber •of.the -holy Allidnee; ninth Ire trusted that it never would adopt the line of policy adopted by it. * When tie Governmetif connected itself, 'with its allies in corilult with respect to the, good. govern- ment of the . Netherlansli, it did so not to pro Mote, bitt to einleavour, by all means, to prevent war.-.-(Hear.) One lion. Member blamed the King's Speech, becisuse nothing was said in it about reduction of taxes; but he would re mind the House that hie Majesty pledged hirnielf to en force a strict system of economy in every department of the State. Aoother complained because, the Ding's Speech contained nothing about ParliainentatT, Morin. Tnar was a ritrirject respecting which there pre, valted'a variety of opinions, and it would hem' been in- Ai sc t s ot to have breached such a topic in his Majesty', Speech, It would be much better, if any geofiepiatt.hail, any thing'to propose oW'iliat suhject, to originate it at onee .in that blouse. With' 'respect to Parliamentary 'Worth, he would express himself as a Noble , Lord ex-j proofed himself last. night-4ot, the, measure 40 brought A nd he would shaPe his course for or a ga i nst 6 0 ) ? e Ve a r r ii d' niint, in prOpartien as he consislered the Mat ter detrimental or beneficial to , the country. Fle 4 '(sit , Cleorge , 4forreY), .Avola: in like.manner, perfeetty ling to listen to any, ,proppsition on the aubjects of Parliamentary' Reform ; but lie should shape his conduct • thin theoglit tbe peOposition beneficial or in.propor detrimental to the country.—(Cheers.) An Hon. Gen, tleman thought that beetitiselitiltiliji#ity'eSperch evoke of trim:flitting the blissings of the.Conatitution Unimpsired to posterity, that therefore all idea of Botany wit,* repelled. But be enticoived that thltl.exPreui" 4 Meant those s great r ptinciples which, were: the foundation of our lo and. tieot should bp transtiritted unimpaired to. lm!*te"ty' and detached patio er.ll!, .• eght that partitit4t not fronisqne to time undergo niptlifie,ittip sod a trill nest iy 7 .riso' b Out disl 4 l'anlige," beof tleit Coiistifut(on; - The repeal 'of the Teat Affe, at i f i ll.)Tet, ing of the ROOltill Catholic Belief Bill; were to mines to ct,stref!t which the great principles of 'the Constitution weranot departed from, but applied in such a manner as to extend still further those advantages which a great portion of shy people already enjoyed.---(Hear.) So far as Reform went to give the, country a. rood and advantageous system of government, he was perfectly willing, Reform should take place.—(Cheers.) He was afraid, from those cheers, that he had gone a little further than he had intended. Whe n he spoke of supporting any measure of Reform which would give the country a good system of governmeht, be by no means thought that a great extension of the &active fraochise would have that effect, but directly the reverse. He'wes willing to admit, that abstractedly every man in the coontripossessed a right to have the country well governed; but he was far from admitting that it would be wise or pro. dr-nt that every man should have a vote in the goverment of the country. He was perfectly satisfied that that privi., lege must be restricted to a amull portion- of the nation in order to work with advantage. Teat the present sys tem did work well, the proof was the advantages which this country enjoyed at home, the polder it possessed abroad, and the proud station it occupied in the scale of nations.—.(Hear.)--lie was q the sure that the most im portant ingredient in the Constitution of the country, which contributed much to its prosperity, was the existence in it of a highly respectable and powerful aristocracy. It was the 'exigence of that element in the Constitution was most likely to secure this country against-those changes anti convulsions which had been witnessed in other coon flear.)—He was alsoof opioon,that if the entire influence of the aristocracy were confined within their own House; they would be unable to defend themselves against the attacks of those who were opposed to them , and they would anon fall if brought into collision wilt. Other powers, unless they were protected by certain outworks, which were Hot only necessary In their own security, but advantageous to the State.—(llear, hear.) Sir R. CIRESLEY thought that the general complaint against his Majesty's Speech was occasioned, not by what it said, but by what it bad omitted. He certainly re greeted that not a word had been said about the distress which, it must be admitted, prevailed to a great extent in the country; but he was glad his Majesty had declared his intention ref enforcing the strictest .economy in all the de partments of the State, as such a course would offer the befit mean* of allevia►ing th e liltre►s*. The lion. Member be would support the -Address, because though his Atijegy's speech 14-131 . M that it was the King's intention to transmit the Constitution unimpaired to his successorOt did not denounce the ddoption cf anrsalutary measure of reform. , - Mr. DENMAN felt gratified at the Speech - which had been delivered by the Right lion. _Secretary opposite (Sir G. - Murray.) That speech he was convinced, would be received with satisfaction throughout the country. - He only - regretted that, in anether'place, where a Minister of the Crown had thought it necessary to explain the am bignons meaning of pia of his Majesty's Speech, similar sentiments • were not to be discovered. It was maw of deep regret, that in these times of alarm, while a Ri ght Hon. Secretary in the House of Ominous wss express ing himself in favour of reform, and rot even restricting himself from approving of a measure for universal ea, frage—(for he loutdeclared his anxiety. to discuss every plan orreform, and his . desird to know how the !Joust; of Commons could be reformed so as to be mark fit for the purposes of good government, the only principle on which Any rcformwas,prpposed)...4 Noble person at the heath of the Government, and who might I e said to direct the destinies of Europe, had, within 24, hours, and within 100 yards of that spot, declared that no reform should he listened to.---(llrar, hear.)—Not only would the Govern• went bring forward no plan of refOrm as had been fondly ,„ expected, hut no plan w as to b e li s t ene d t o , an d no antendtnent of the Constitution was to he auffered—(Hear.) —The people were indebted to the Right lion. Secretary for the sentiments which he had expressed, but they were more obliged to the' Noble person at the bead of the Go vernMent for having fairly told them what they had to expect, and let them into theAsecret as to the principle!, on which the government of :the country was to be conducted. It was with regret and disappoint. ment he hid heard every paragraph of his Majesty's Speech read from the Chair. There was not a . „ .single aenteneeln ,it .worthy the apprphation of au en• lightenedAllutioietration or anindependent Parliament. In the. first place, Government told Parliament that it was not their intention to interfere in the concerminfother nations when by that very speech they did interfere...Jiver.) They, said they came forward as mediators ; but they declared that they had made up their minds that one of the parties.was us the Wrong; and that, forsooth, that party had occasioned all the evils which afflicted atelgitnn and threatened the repose of Europe.—(Hear.) He objected to the Government of this country volunteering their opinion on the subject. Who wanted to know what they .thought on the matter?—(Hear, hear.) The people of lieltt ag un were, however, slandered by being designated revolted sub . But the Righelion. Secretary said there was no reproach in the words, and observed that the Low Countries were stated in' his tory to have revolted against Philip. But supposing Queen Elisabeth . had addressed Parliament, designated the people of the Low .Countries revolted subjects, and expressed her regret at - their rning ' against their ; enlightened Sovereign, he..should like to know what the House of. Commons of that day Would have said ? was a parallel cats% If we were to enter. into the discussion of how foreign people and foreign Governments had conducted themselves ? , by did the King's speech limit itself to theft meagre 'account ot enlightent f Orleans becoming of rench ? Was It aned Government which lied led to that change ?—(Hear.)—Why, then, was rot the en. lightened Govertonent of Charles X, referred to ? And as to interference, if there ever was a time when our interference in French affairs would have been beneficial, it was the period be tween' the dissolutien of the first Chamber and the Issue of the Ordinances,...interference then might haie been usefully exec. eked. But in the case of France the Speech was li tithed t o a s i mple statement of the fact; and the Hon. Seconder. had told the House that as the Duke of Orleens. hail been recognised by the I t t lie w i s:s " iii c e ll li , g . i i i t tl f l o tl ik t 'w o °doe:steamtie- King of England kts . Ki g n a g l. of lary, on the same principle, that Don Miguel 111113 t acknnw. ledger( as King of Portia the improvements of the age, and wonderful to see the progress of education In its - effects upon the boniest mind, in the mode In which the French petiole had conducted themselves, attbrding an example to all the world how a bad Government ought to be re. listed.—(Hear.)—Notwithstanding the provocations they had re, calved, they. bad exercised a wonderful' forbearance at a time when they could have done whatever they pleased. It had been justly asked when had the victories of despotism been so con. titteted?•-•(Bear.)—When Governments had succeeded tit recd. vering,what they deemed their just rights, they were said to ex hibit a wonderful degree of moderation if they shed but little blood. -But in - France the triumphant party seemed to be en. deavouring to save the lives of their greatest enemies, and, great • as their guilt was, he (Mr. Denman) trusted they.would be gavial by their.owninsignificance from the punishment they justly de. served,•••{Haar.)-allie people of France had done all they could to preserve themselves without..unnectit.sary .sacritices. But in the' case. of Belgium he could not say so much. -H e Could . not say who, WAS right and . who was wrong. H e did not know the state of facts;_ but that made it the more improper for ..a, House of Common, to echo back the charge of revolt—(llear) , a-particularly in a case •of so such importance, where a single word put into the moteh of our King might produce smother expenditure of 1 1 200,000,0001, ..-(llear.)—At to the epithet "enlightened ," which had been applied to the'finvernmeet of the Netherlands. the Mini s t ers who had prevailed upon his Majesty to adopt it, could have had no knowledge of the subject. But the people of England kn ew that the fundamental law of that kingdom had been violateile— that the liberty of the pros had been put down and the trial by jury got rid Of. As far as he could ace of . the Belgian instirree. tire), it did appear as if a sort of Paris fashion had spread abroad, for. there had nno immediate cause for the revolt when - it broke out. That circumstance, .however, made the lesson the more serious to other countries.—(llear.)a-When some important event,oggurred to-thako the pillars upon which the Conabtution ' l o 4le u K , ft l y b b Y o Y r u i lartaglitil,:a)AgnyttolgiatibtabhuefFes, suffering's we it re rested, - all the real - grievances of the people rose to the 'orate.— . When once they were in a state of excitement, a strain, a hurt, 'a weakness only, would betray their real feelings. I o our own for Government to • has e'conci ; eve we will k ru provide t a c hhat y l in44 n ri a n t :h it ti ; e t r ih :e a: u g i a l" r i b l: P v i n u tt i e t ed i P k t :s t . ll , ; : i a l l i g u t i l d i t Y4 not I'ollTh/eat." But, no; all was defiance—all was menace.— " We will put dawn sedition,". mild his -Majesty's Ministers; .- " at thelame time we will give permission to any Members on the opposite side of the House to bring forwent any project of reform, with, a reservation :of the rights.. of those ni another place to interfere - in' the - election of Members of the Neese of Cornroont,"—.{Crieji of hear, hoar, hear.}•••Butt, they would' not put word inte the speech respecting the /carets of the people's. grievances. In ~ that, unconititutlonal and in. tolersible abuse in the representation of the people, which make! It most stink in the , nostrils of the country, when the petiole were told of their being represented in the Commons House of rarliament.—{Hear.)—The people expected that the King's (so. Vernmeatt,3lpW wpolikettnats - forwatatiwitit, oats, tneasuko ;and if the Governtrient would nut do it, they looked to the BMW, nt CbinmOnii 'anti if the illouse would . not du what it was their bounden duty to do, the people would look to it themselves. Ile. did not say - that they svpuld fetsia dispositibo to resort to Pleasures, but they would proceed by petition aott remotest ritere, but If that 'Would not du,. be did not 'say' tfiey would have re. ceurse to any thing which savoured of vielene,e ; nut if the country was to loaded with the taxation of former years, and discontents arose,: there. were Onnished, Ditherer individuals' who were intent on mischief and agitation, topics of frightfill grievances, rendered still More alarming by the indication which hail appeared elsewhere, of a deteripleation to resist alt altetwOt' at redrets; and a crisis was not unlikely to arrive, the thill3o, quences of which the youngest in that )louse might have reatott to deplore. With regard to .the Union. he felt the utmost dislike and reptispaoce to every motion, fur lUe re.. peal - Of - a legislative - or any other union between the two countries oil:natant! and Ireland. If the Honourable and Leartteci Menther for Waterford had au rievalica to.alleffe*' for which; however, - the repeal of the Uplort was the - last re, metly- , let, then/ be brought ' forward, and let 'the- liouse - eon. sider.of the remedy. Let Use Iritift :people state what their grievances are, anti let the Gov-eminent endeavour to redress, them.' As far as he knew the state of the case, We were Peed In a situation entirety new. .11e -well Teuton - Met - at, - not Duel Years, ago, winin a motion for reform was brought forward, it had beee /volute( by a Bight It im Geotlentam, who asktai, What haie you to )faits by reform ?" Mr. Canning referred triumph. &fitly tu.thil', individuala,amongtt the Ministers who represented popular Olapes. But it was riot so pow. Let .the tbr. Yerkshire tout Middlesex 'come forward mid tell them what was the otitte andfrielings sit-the country. He (101 r.•l)en - me con:- clotted. syn.!) protesting, ost behalf of - the people,- of Logitunii agaituit the )horrible' idea that we were to tender our interfortaoce in the affkirs of a foreign•nation,rafter rirottouncintin favour of its Government. Ministers couldAtot he ill • trounounieation , with thiappeple, they . could licit _know. their sentisoints, vv they lilt''such a -proposition into the mouth of the Kitsg. 1 f there had been any Weltaxinsidered - amendment far the todrest of theMre444#4t4oll,of.the.people before, the House, he would and. wilen the odestion of the Address came aga haY in e s iset UPP L l e ne'i the it .tiouse - he" should fhel - it to be• his 'duty' to say that lie nester would support i it. .- . - ..• • eta; ;kg lafusl*(4s ell(letttoodltruake anew observatieess but we could Out collect their tenottr... ljeaieared to speak lu Parliamentary teriirmiAtind'of extension of 'tellteßell' - tatianlia thethanutautiningitnwila,, .; •. i Wit (4QNit„cit felt.great relit:o.4,e, to, aildrets: the. IkOil , ither the apetain'of the'_ tvell4reated - -acter,' the' Item nail i iii( - • alitenthiol•fee , NOttingha4 *ltftt . .-be was ghat t 0 see the House ASlthi. lie was not surprised at the objection which had been made to the King's Speech, by those from whom tiitt objection was natural and proper, that the subject of Parlie mentary! Reform' had not been recommended to the House. He was bound to say that he saw as plain as any man,. the tide that ran so strong in favour of that question in • the cou ntry.—(Heat, hear.) Ile knew there had been a clamour raised throughout the country in its favour, and It wet no Wish or aspiration of his to take an unpopular view of a public question, Still he stoed there to say, that alter full consideration, and some little expe rience, his opinions on that question remained unehanged. •`Flint were those opinions? he might be asked. Ho had formerly stated; that he thought the measure would be dangerous to, the interests of the country. Some remark; had been Made after the declaration which had been uttered in euether place on this - guess 'on. But When MI °cense - in occurred to state that pe.rton'e opt. nion, it was ant:oily and open colirse to say that that opinion re. wattled um:hanged ; It might otherwise be inattinated, a You are lying by, and trimming your sails. till you ere in trust diree. tion the wind blows.' If the King's Speech had • Omitted the mention of Parliamentary Reform, so had every speech from the throne, as far its the memory of Man Menet - h. He viewed the events of Paris is ith satisfaction not unmingied With regret, for he lamented that the King was a bigot, and his Minister it fanatic, while he could not hot admire and applaud .the gallantry; with .which the people had Asserted their Violated liberties. - Mr. SANDFORD, who nekE addressed the Maude; was ender. steed to deny (tue necessity of an armed interterenee between the King_of the Netherlands and his subjects. Hewes go, to hear the Noble Lord opposite apply. the terra clamour" to • the ex., pression Of popular feeling on the subject of Parliamentary.itei form. The irreiiistibie torrent of politic opinion that was ciemiter dpwn emengst thetn lie Loptel.Wp(all seep )'titre' filtee every vestige of aristocratic prejudice that could bay , thetated siteh•language., : Mr. H. DAVIS refused to entertain any plea of rtalemeatary Reform, as he conceived that every !Merest in the count* , Waft alreade, 'represented. He Viewed the proposal with inexnres. stole dismay, and greatly feared it wetild be disc ove red, w hen too late, that the change demanded was very much miscalled by those who designated it reform. His constituency comprised a greater number Of feeortied tates than was necessary to the election of any other Member Of that heti lie aid tuft hesitate to sav that the question was one of itidat tiattietttut eter Merited within the wells of Parliament- It appeared, Inrifeeer; 'That no twenty men of those who advocated reftiret,". eohld he found to agree In opinion as t o whet would be the Lest Made Of attainietviti M , r. HUG Es (it tat On the (*petition (tenches) expressed the warmest approhatinn of Odes/ Sentiment contained in the Address, in which, therefore, from the beginnlng to the end Ile most cordially concurred -.(Cheers, and laughter.) 11l treed give Mitiisters his unqualified confdesce, and support theM through evil report And good report without any compromise of principlekor sacrifice of MS independence.. This determination he was the More anitiotie to take the ,present opportunity of avowing, as It had been bruited about, hint lie lied become a member ore factiout and irreconcileable Opposltion.—elle.peated cheereend laughter.) He had been sent to that flouse . by the unbiassed votes of a free, a higleminded, - and intelligent consti tuency, to wheels it was but justice to say, that their represente tivenever yet had been, and never would become, the bonded:tee of a &diem-e(lleer, near.) In this awful and.tremendous crisis —a,ctishi more eetraertlinary that; apy whieh the chroniclers of the whole world could prod u c e —it pfeaseft l'teridenee to elevate to the throne a mild, amiable, and paternal , monarch; Whe had 0:lectoil the existing Ministry et the -commencement of his reign to guide the councils of State. He should, therefore give them his temtifienee, and he scrupled not to pl'omlse that he would strengthen their hands,—(Cheers.) The thee, he trusted, was now past when their support ola usetul measure would be regulated by their feelings tua ards RIC /edit of the House from whence it had proceeded. • , Atter it few words from Mr. Titevolt, the purport of Windt it Will impossible to collect in the (lathery, the Speaker put the re. port be brought up, on wheel Sir it. PEEL sale, that the discustion, which had just taken place imposed fit him Ole date of making one or two observa tions on the subject 111 ParlitutuadarY Itelormi respecting which the Hon. and Learned Member for York lied so reeeffilreiren notice oft' motion.' This task he would rather on the present occasion have avoided, as he was unwilling to express an opinion on Well A question until it should have been legitimlttely brought under the consideration of the Ilease. A construction, how. ever, had been put teethe declarations of his !t o rt lion. Friend which deprived him tit ail alternittive, With r are tilt ire roles tion generally he might remark, that he had never Ilitnerio taken a very decided ;nut. Oeposed to it, he ,admitted he cer tainly had been, but at the same time (with very few exceptions) he had contented himself with a sheet vote. It appeared that a passage in the speed) of his ltight Hon. friend had. been inter preted as expreesive of the senthrients Clovernmetit gencrelli , on the subject. Now he fully admitted that he sew difficulties fibout the question of reform which he was by tut ustaus pfe paredlo He wished, nevertheless, to say pathing then which might in any demo prejudice the discussion hereafter, or inferfere with its advitneement to a satisfaetory termination... , ( car.)--I Le saw considerable difficulties attendant on the mere agitation of the topic, end he confessed iihnseif at a loss to con jecture the principle of limitation which the Hon. and Learned Member appeared to contemplate as the guarateco of a moderate retinue The Member for Nottingham (Mr. Denman) had hal. mated, as hounderstocel hint, that no Measure of re fo rm which stilt allowed of the interference of Peers in the return •of 'Mein. bort or the Home elf Commons would, satisfy him, lilt argu ment, he conelederi front the tenor of his speech, nine. be d h meted against an aristocratic Government altogether. To such ~n extent he was not preparou to go; nor did he at present *see any prospect that ouch a mellow° of safe . moderate reform, es hltliftijesty's Government might be IncOned to sanction, woeld satiety the 'demands ot expectation') of the refortners. This only he would now premise, reserving a fuller exposition of pia senti. mehts to the opportunity when they could be regularly and sea sonably explained. At to the interference with Belgium, he ()wiled he was surprised td find such a difffirence of opinion after the tietech which they had heard front the Noble, lord. opposite taut night. ' They had but one of three courses to pursue ; either to disavow ail' interest In the afiLirs of Belgium, as the lion. Member. for Middlesex suggested, allotting French' soldiers to mike what incurelons they pleased, and take possession of Antwerp and other' fortifications uninoletted; or by military Interffirenee to compel the submission -of the provinces to the King (neither of which we adopted) ; or lastly, when.eivil •• was wan rasing in a part of Europe, from its position. peculiarly cadet*. hired' to embmil neighbouring atatos, to meffiate wait a view tea restore tranquillity, and not for the purpoire or subjtigating the Netherlands; and this was the species of interference to which the Braid] Government had had, recourse.—(Hear.)—The Speech' from the Throne did not contain It word which IleCes fierily implied the re.annexation of the provinces' to the Crown from which they is revolted. The first course, there fore, w0..1,1 have beca very diflerent from that which England had always hitherto observed, and the second would have lad to the devastation of the country, lie did not perceive the tans. logy which the Hon. awl Learned Gentleman seemed to revise title between the case or the Netherlands and that of the parti tion of Poland. The Right Hon. Baronet here referred to two speeches from the King in list?, relative to the Internet Mason. sums of Holland, to prove that this teasnot the first time of such interference on the pert of Great Britain; and cited the opinion of Mr, Fox as confirmatory of the sumo policy, • The Hon. and Learned Member for Yorkshire was also in error as to the (mi. Mons of Mr. Pitt on the policy or this country with respect to the question of interference as was proved by that emitteet Statesman's despatch to theltussiatt Ambassador in 1805. He had shown, t•liet, that contrary to the lion. and Learned Gen e thenan's assertion, the -allusion by way of interference with lb. p ru o l etc n y 4ta hl t i c's nis w te " rs Ve t re a n n o D i v v e l l i t t Y ir i a l u i 1 a ng K w in it g h is re ' s P poc eue t h to i W and that tial and was that approved of by t c the i 'realhighestuu m w ( ft s h t e ( f x s nw is c r : i ti e hi n e t °l : r i t t o Ci tl ) ve f e e t el:l°l°i could i 'L' i ll a t °t ; 1 s :c:e d i t r " u n i . a t t s i c el e o t ' o t t h ' o n s . i v t o h r r l e g a l q l t :tl7 , si the King of folland, on certain conditions or fttmlinnental lasts. the violation or whic h by that King alone could anthorbio the Belgians to apply to the Allied: Powers, the parties to the Can. grea t for:Meets; reducing the mtertion fee rite consideration of Parlisinent to the simple Fact—did or did not the King of I tole 14141 violate the fundamental laws on which netted. his sove reignty over Belgium hear,)--He (Sir K. Pool) con. tendeff that the Kittg of Iliffiand did not ; and that he, on the contrary, manifested great readiness to submit the redress of any grievances of which hiclielgian subjects might complain to the he States-Gerw.ral. It t a w ,e r o c o otr a t i llugo a tri ti l l u o tug a e r o o l l r o eflr:s Prince st Frederick to Brussels Wit a violation of the llelgian liberties. What were the facts P He firmly believed that Prince Frederick's march to Bruited* was far from beteg a preconcerted military movement—that it was made without any definite purpose of violence.' 'trues:els Whist before been the scene of an undefined Commotion,' the objects of which were the removal of an unpopular Minister, and of a municipal tax. To check the excesses of the agents in this insurrectiote the inhabitants , organized themselves into a burgher guard, which most probably would have succeeded but for the fineigners and unemployed poor in the neighbourhood, who flocked into the town mud ultimately enabled the inturgents to defied the burgher guard. Prince Freder ck had no other Jett than to appoint this guard !to protect property, and was este- Matted when he met with the resistance which had been Mitred to his entry. The charge of treachery, thereffire, conic, not hold it ti tt a ill , S i t w h A hl i l idre l s Te di l d tif lo h t t p l o . B the a r o i ler. ° s l o w . t oc o e a te o l y ee m l it, t u it their duty to Ming tinward la obedience to the King's Speech. to sanction of any or the measures which' Ministers mig r 'ilat this wits the fact, was evident from. the circumatenee of the Hem. Member for VVestminster having t h at evening given entice of a motion with respect to Belgium, though he had not ;contouroor raised his voice against the Address. • Cotitident that the policy which Ministers were pursuing tower& Belgium was., the soundest they could adopte-was that most likely to restore ,tranquillity an Belgium," the , tole object of the conference with our Allies—lie was prepared to vindicate it at the tittiog oppor tunity, Mr. BROUGHAM had lietentel 'to the Right Hon. Baronet's ,observations with his be s t Attention • but . lie confessed' he thnught that his (IWO, itrguments,. or tallier propositions, cif last flied with respect to Belgium, were wholly untouched by them. Not-all the minieterialluctibrationeof the 14 hours which heal elapsed since he had •addressed these arguments to the House—. net all the aid which the Right Hon. Baronet, had reeelved since out tif doers—for hit could not 'leek flir any within arming his polleagues—rear, and a laugh)....eould show that he erred hi fffiftit, I.lo' 4,40 letter, in saying, that since the French reve hition—ihr that the the peried to which he particularly called the attention of the Ifouse—no kina's lipeech contained Such an allusion by way of interference witirthe afikirs of indepen dent States, .as that of the Speech to which the Address then ea sier consideration WAS an answer. His eharge against Ministers Was, not that of ititerfering at all, or of not preserving 'an utter litdiehrence, but of disqualifying themselves from becoming useful arbitretora by taking a iiecidtal part on quo aide of the parties among whom, forsooth, they were: to restore tranquil. hoar,)-.:ln the awe of Portugal, in ISM,' us in that of the Low Countries, In IN7,:our interference was founded pit pit the faith of treaties. But surely that pretext put(' not be set pp just now in the ease of Holland and Belgium. Whit, then , train tic maitre of our Interference, it was nod ng mere ucrr less—mei t hie WAS the gravamen of his charge..than making the Ding of ling unit 4 partisan bet ween th e King, of Rolland and, ins lielgian tebjects ; anti this wits called this best means of re !tering tranquillity.-e(Haar, said the-King of Eng..' end was made a partisan against thC Beigiana; for in the Spaeth. te bestows ail praise on the • King of Holland, while he de eounces the Belgian' as rebels,' end an unjust faction; and after this sound qin uest ion—.was ;ids a::,),:,:nttbitfit:ri,lY:ooe';io—etdl4(liiitli.,elbillalaF,,rgi:ay)ysktiot!'f:httrootetineix)eaeric'en'it:iiriaonaptsngutstilt.,:l;ecetinntrrt:tit.tit:hb(lig:: o' that ()rand he had confined his observation'', as that contained in the Speech under conskleration ?—(Hear.)..it had been said that Mediation Was all that we intended with respect to Belgium. Mediation" wee a soft ethooth werd ; but those whoanterfered As mediators were frequently•• Obliged to" fight. • ".Mediation" meant money" nuineymeant supplies—and supplies meant taxes. ...Mear s hear.)..Who had called fur our niediatiali 1 0 —(Hear.)• ...We were mediators only,oe one sitie-...0n behal.f of the '''ii. Lightened Monarch" of Holland. One word with respect te the . reet)gnitkni of Don Ho did not, object tat thet'proeeefl findtechittel°. Y lt a tte u il f ew ll t i e e fi r it e l l i f t. l° ct ° ei r ltr u M;t in h w ei r i t rfi:li c t e ig iv it ich at tilt' time ' , defied for thus teeogniton was rather awkward. It seethed As though Ministers had nitended to say, " Gtr, we have re ' cognised ).unit 1 lailip I we, limy air well roognise. Von Miguel.— pee is as good as the o ther."—(Expressions of dissent flout the 2`testeury lienet.,neellorore ha concluded, 'v he Could not avoi d ei. mowing Ole iltetifieekloo which Ite had ex' ri - eteed at hearing the'llight lion, Secr e t a r y I b t the Colonie s . avo w himself to he 4 friend to Parfiamentary reform, He 'weed not elate with cer tainty whether the Right Hon. Secretary went to exactly The ow leneth as be (Sts. Brougham) did his %heaps .with• respect to reform ; but at 'present be seemed inclined to ea, until nol a n g t: r , e ,,n, e htL , , :i coet c en v ,,,, : ri t rci : ci ii t g t.:lh. e a: X; lbhe t e ' y p tt t bitueer, U rte t t i lt : i t ia ' b) e ,tu re ? a ,lidli t la s itg,ii till itye let bned g n c e dii . vi ssg ebehn or•til:hruf laelibter , ) , 4 le !tig ht bell. lOW *a:rotary ditlertd Iletheatil ttan; Oat! tied with the present, constitution, et l'arlinment, mid tat• nit change which had ever been propounded, or which they (mild sassseive might Ito prepoiStV'eliiiiti, their (t e at chhititittian"'" A - 1411 8 11 4-41 e .fikewise felt - -great Oct age big ith Another fileotier.of tilt Getternikleffits 4.4°119"...f** pred-hts.admiratintr' of . the hrifte Frendi peep tbi risen and frustrated the gravities which their wretched 00V0s1.• ment had 'attempted tn peipei 'ate. Hotte 'le the 'lilserel senti ments which these two intlivitluale had expressed will agree with those of their tolleagues, it *44.4 not for him to inqUire, That was their business; and to.mettaw morning, or tome, other there, they might perhaps settle' it amongst themeeeeA laugh.)—He would trotetle the House with eel , another Observance]. So i s men seetned to think that bur sithobeitine of the ecrndnet of the French mitten should lett lie to wish for snare such scene' al home as had been exhibited abrceid, With these persons he dli. filed tote tele. lie was fur ref rie—litt preservlng e not for I pulling dfteineefor restoration, not fer reeettition. lie was a shallow politician, a miserable reasoner, and he tlueight no trust.worthy man, who argeed that, because the people 0(1'06 had justifiably and glorlterely Melees', lawless oppressioni the people of London and Dutein. Ought to rise for reform. Devoted les he was to the cause: or Parlienientary reform, Be did net coil. ' sitter that the refesal of that benefit, ot, lie Would see. 144 right, to the people of this eturnitry (if le wereat legal refusal" by King, Lents, aunt Calumets, w hits,, he hoped to God would not. take piney would be in the slighte , t Lire& ereltel case to any thing which htid happened In lee ) Sir 11, PEEL said he eras dethoes ill sayin sii few weeds with reference to wh .t hail fallen front the Hen. and Learned Gen. Oman respecting the recognition of Dee Miguel, beeettse he was as anikeie ne the Here and Leartiett t.eentleman that 44 good understanding elleteld 641bSiat. iAtiVecti this etsunfrY and Foams In the last Speech front the 'Clifene, which wee cfelieertel on the eth. of Fehruary, ROI, an elevate were - Marie to the ptetability of the recogoition of. Don Miguel. lf 'eat tweed:se:try, etate that at that time ece,ey is hail occurred in Frinee which red. tiered the reengfillitoi of Louis Philip necessary. Mr. BROUGHAM -eiff.frekel himself perfectly sationleti with the explanation which had beett mere by the Right lion. metary. 'Vet PALMERSTON wished to know wheifieea In the event of lide ;Metre granting the Amnesty, it 4411:1 411 C ifilaMinn tit the British tse‘crinneeit In interfere to compel tern to ektloute it if be should be dispegee ties t o o do so. ileless there ahotiki be some guarantee for the exectitiOn ef fhe amnesty, imilviditals would not emu re to place them elves /eon Miguel's power: Sir R. PEEL said, he coeld best gnawer the etleslion by state ing the circumstances connected with' the proposed eitetnty. e heel done all in our power, by advice. and friendly Wee.' fereneei to eensuit the interests of those who were denounced by thp: pijithine fickvetitnent Portugal. The language we held wee, the* weitlki net requite the lissulog of that amnesty, as the condition of cult teeognititet cif the Portuguese Government, but we declared that tintets It shotdd be published to the world, the retogyrition would not take thee. did not promise that the recognition would take place if the amnesty shoeld be ofiltree, but we stated that the withholding of the amnesty Would prevent t h at recognition; lie did not think it would be prudent in him to state *hat Reps this Government might be called upon to take, in the event of a particular ease arising.— i (Ilear.)—He would, however, state that we Were not guarantees for the fulfilment of the Amnesty. 'Hie report was then brought up, and agreed to. Mr. H UME rose to move, that two paragraphs should be added toehe Address, dint' expressing regret that the King had not stetted that taxes would be rteitseisit and the other declare.. tart' of the necessity of Parliamentary Befsnen. The Hon. Lien. Oman prefaced his motion by complaining tlttt no allusion to the. Cairn Laws or the East India monopoly had been Miele In the King's Speech, and stated that due vengeence would be Oben I for these timiettions, Sit lit RE,EI4 protested Against the use of such language. thei M i t.; o H ae U es MZ r s i e m it t li st i tm is tid esi l i fi ly 6 l o ne:w e t u tl i i s i i i l t es li o li f n t is h tr i s ,,, 7 l t , ilil 108 e Sir rt. PEEL—Surely the non. Menem slum not call that ve gen ance. Mr. HUME—That is what I meant. The vroposed additions were negatived. The Ilti,sse then adjourned At a QU4RTUA PAHT Two o'Ci.oegt SPIRIT OF THE PtillLlo JOURNALS. The present, is a most itnpnrttnt crisis, and Wti ahall speak our did:duns freely upon matters connected both with the foreign and domestic policy of the country, hay. ing the King's Specs in view tnetely, rather than di,. cussing it in the detail. The production itse:f eras ccc tainl. attacked with great spirit and some success by inn llt ougham, in Otte particular point,—namely, the passage rebating to Delginin. But still we think, though the cx. Plotsions themselves might have titltte elssrly renounced *tot disavowed the principle of intorferentfe, yo that, joined with explanations given by the Duke of Wellington in his speech ' they are, iu a good degree, satisfactory and assuring as to the present purpose of the Aritish Govern• meet, not to interfere in the internal gustrels of the people composing lately the kingdom of Holland. For the purpose of Coutirming this our opinion, we shall. el. tract the two passages:— • "1 have witnessed, with deep regret, foe state of elks in the Low Countries. I lament that the enlightened Adminiors ,lois of the King should not have preserved his domlnititts from fetich; and that the wise and, prudent measure of stibmitto7g the desires and the complaints of his people to the deliberations of an Extraordinary Meeting of the States-Oenerat should have led to no satisfactory result. 1 arti endeavouring, in concert with my Allies, to devise such means of restoring tranquillity as may he compatible with the welfare and good goVeflinsent of the Netherlands', and wills the future security of other States. 4 ..The Mars Speech. "Be. (the Duke of Wellington) could assure the House, that there was no intention whatever on the part of hie Majesty's Mi. nistarse--there was not the slightest intention on the p o rt of any Power whatever,--to interfore, by means of arms, with the ar rangements respecting the Netherlands.' 7 The Duke's .Speech. The pp:et:ll - of Sir George Murray (a. C4liiiiet Minister) livit night is even more explicit. li e Awes, that " When the Government contieeted itself with its allies to consult with respect to the good government of the Netherl Andy it did so, not to promote, but to endeavour, by all means, to prevent War.' Sir B. Peel also contended, that "the onle object of the conference* Will to restore tranquillity in Belgimin." This being premised, now comes the peat • I question—may not war awl spring up in spite of these nun-intentions on the part of the present Ministers of the great Powers, from causes over which they have no control ? In answer to this question we shall say, that the whole, or at least the first movement, depends upon France, and not upon this country. Frence has here our disavowal of the principle of interference; She has hitherto strictly end honourably observed it herself; and we have no doubt hut the very eminent and die. tinguished pewit whom the King of the French has sent here as his representative, in applying the whole of his great talents and accumulated experience to that important ob. ject—the preservation of the tranquillity of Europe. But let it be observed that he is the Arnbassador, not the Mi. nistry of France. That Ministry it changed or changing, and, so fir as a change may be operated, it will be from men of more temperate to men of less temperate prin ciples. We recollect when the French Ministry was formed,' that the Duke& Broglie, M. Guizot, awl Baron Leuis, were thought liberal enough ; now, however, they are not thought liberal enough; and should the mere ,rent (to use the French term) continua--should the King be mai* to stop its course—what assurance have we that the Ministry now forming may not soon be replaced by another yet more radical, till at bait the councils of France will fall into the hands of a set of Jacobins, whom uothiug but war will satisfy ? For be it observed, that though the British radical', simple knave., affect to rove and revere their brethren of France, the latter hate England from the crown of its head to the sole of its font; they sigh for Bonaparte, and slavery and plunder. The whole, therefore, depends upon the firmness and power of the King of France to keep the portfolios of office in the hinds of men of tempe rate views, of moderation, and rational principles of liberty. In inclination we are convinced his Majesty will net fail; but if he fail in tesolutlon or power, then the most dreadful can sequences may be'apprehended. We turn our view now to the domestic policy of our own country, The puke of Wellington has expresacd his determination to resist all reform : the declaration will probably attach to his admi nistration come 'of 'thb high Tories, who have sat more loose to him since Catholic Eman c ipation an d th e re p ea l 'of the Test and Corporation Acts have been carried. Should atTaire fall into that unhappy train and course in ,France of which we have spoken above, undoubtedly the ilread of reform will he greatly increased in this counts) , `in one class of people, and the inclination to change in flamed in another by the influence of example ; and in this conflict of principle it may be difficult to say what wonld be the result ; hut we cannot help observing that the Duke,' or whoever may be his succe.eor inheriting his /pinions will not have the same elemente of resistance placed at hit disposal; us were poasessed and used with Noah rigout by Mr. Pitt. Between radic4l re- loon, however, and no reform, we know which we should ehoe4e. The evil* of the former are enarehy, rlunder, 'daughter, auk! slavery ;—those nC . . the latter, proyobing interferenees with popular fights—berou,Omortgering Peers—corrupt 'maktritiee---, aye, and corrupt minorities too t —partialities in the Ore firm and rejection of public funettonaries t -,-severer tion than necessary ; evils" had enough no doubt, but cor rected anti controlled by the sense of shame and the appre hension of consequences, It is clear, then, how lunch depends upon Trance, e ven with respect to the internal tiovernment of England. We hope much that What is Called the mourement there will be stopped or impeded but should the fact prove otherwise, the ret,ruaers of this Oonntry.,-the radical reformers we mean—will not have it to'say that tbiogs have only fallen into confusion in France because reform was resisted; for a just and tempe rate revolution has been effected...-4 thorough but a mild yelling's has been established: and if these do nut satisfy,. what bounds can lie set to popular demsnds—when can an heedless people, impelled by unprincipled demagogues, be antiafied—till they remelt the bourne of all civil cononO.. tions,—slavery, downright slavery,--under the iron rule of some Upstart tyrant from their own body; and therefore the more justly odious because he trends upon his equals. Timec We commend to public notice the resolutions of the electurs of Stamford on the interference of I ,li:seter at their late eleotion. It is the conduct of such a man as this, and his brother Peer at Newark, that will tlu more to shake the aristocracy of this country, whilst other aria tocracies are sinking around us, than any efforts of jam). binism. It is impossible to respect the Peers whilst they au little respect themselves. Was it inserted in the leases of Lord Exeter's tenants at Stamford, or the Duke of Neweastles tenants at Newark, that they tshou!ri respec. lively receive Members of Parliament at the hands of their landlords? No : thic would have heen too audichtus and insolent. 13nt in what does the present course differ, ex cept that it add, treanhery coil hatam e is oli o to audacity ond There ire riiit; 'We believe, two rillOjAtEt peramis who think differently with respect to the`Kities i4PeiCh. Ali agree that the exprewie“ of an opinion ou the question between the Bing of the Netherlands, and the Reigisne, was, to say the least of it, peculiarly ill-judged. If, as the Duke of I'Vellington alleges (and we are not inclined to distrust him,) there is no intention on the part of the Go• verntnent of this country to interfere by force or by an appeal to firms, In order to effect an arrangement eatisfae toey to all parties.—to declare in the outset that the King time right and the Belgians in the wrong, does not teem calculated to impress the Belgians whit our impar tiality, or to ludtwe them to repose confidence in ua as tnedittors. The Duke of Wellington is entitled, like other people, to have his opinion; hot it indicates strange notions of derunry and propriety to thrust an opinion re. Opentinl the int►rnal affairs of a foreign (unitary into a Speech from the Throne. We repeat, we do not believe that the Doke contemplates en appeal to force. But we can hardly wonder that a different cone rnetion should so evirrally have been put on the Speech. The reference to the treaties is what chiefly creates alarm : Impressed at all times with the necessity of restecting the faith of nAtional engagements, lam perstmded tha my deter. mination to maintain, in conjunction with my Allies, those ge neral 'Treaties by which the political ay tent of Etirope has been established, will °Mr the beat security for this repose of time If the Duke were to carry this principle rigoroutily Into fired, force most ultimately be resorted to, should pers *wagon prove unavailing. In vain abenld the pealtl'or Belgium and the people of Holland exclaim, the treaties tat *Well you allude do, indeed, hind us to remain united, hut we ate miserable under the alliance, and we with to be separated—the Holy Alliance step in : and fto We hero J made your union the alibied of a treaty, and, you must not lie Parroted. In train manner the views of those who are most corterrned are held in the least regard. In fact the Doke of Wellington it at issue with Limed( on the two principles- -lehas expressed his desire of nonsintetvent ion, and maintaining, in corajnnction with his Mies, the trea ties by which the system of Europe, as he tennis it, bans been estehlished. To pretend that a people shall not chants their Government because it LOS been deearcil in a treaty that the sovereignty should belting to a certain Prince, is maintaining the pritiCiple of intervention. If the Duke of Wellington did not contemplate an appeal to force on the failure °fen attempt at conciliation. the lan- Fringe he used seems very mach at valiance with Lis ob. yea, as it is calculated to induce a persuasion in those Powers which are faterested in upholding the principle Pr tron.intervention, that a determination Is taken to compel the Ilehtians to return to their allegiance Whether they will or not. We need not say that were such an idea to be taken up by the people of France, the Government ef that country might be plated in a situstion of considerable embarrassment. The least enspicion that the Xing of the rreneh might connive at each an invasion of the right of every pe/le to choose their . own Government, might he very preyndieial to his' interest's. With respect to the omission of all mention of reform and retrenchment, this does not surprise us. So far from yielding to reform, the thike of Wellington said that the wit of man could devise no Canstlttttkn at all comparable to ours, shirk, in ever) , respect, was perfeetinn itself: is And this leads Mc," told his Grace, 4 . to advert to the re. commendation of the Noble P.arl (Grey)) to prepare against the etils that might threaten front Ateroad, by promoting content inent end tranquillity at home; and tverloubtedly it was the duty of tiovernUtept to do so by every proper and reasonable cape. silent to which It might be in their power to resort. But then the Noble Earl had refetemensied the expedient of Parliamentary Reform, and remarked that he did not think the Gawernment was as yet prepared with anyldan on the subject. The Noble tethers* right , for certainly Government was not repared with any plait for Piallamentary Reform. I will go farther, and sae that I neva heed that any country ever had a more mprosell or more satisfactory rep resentation than this country enjoys at this moment. Ido brat mean to enter upon that subject now, ass it is probable that wee rill have abundant opportunities to coil vider it afterwards; but Ido say that this country bas now a Ifogislature more calculated to answer all the purposes of a good LealsietUre than any other that cast be well devised—that it pooseasel, and deservedly possesses, the confidence of the country, and that its discussions have a powerful inthience jn the country . ' And, I will say further, that if I hail to Oral at issfislature, would create one,— .net equal In exrellence to the ',rest, for that I could not Upon to be able to do, but some. thing as tsearl44 the same description as possible. should form it of . powered of a very large prosenteet of the property o lb* country, in which the landholders should have a great preponderance, I, therefore, am tun pee. m ad with any measure of Parliamentary deform, nor shall arty MettstAra of the kind be proposed by the Government as long as I hold My present position.' The Hake hods the state of the Representation satisfac tory t o hi ms elf, and therefore naturally enough lie deem* it a good Representations Why should it be supposed that a Minister would final fault with what answers 'his .purs ppm? But the Duke here show. himself a skilful mend the *Ohl, No Minister who might feel disposed in con sent to a reform in the Representation, could possibly oh. tamp the suffrages of an existing Parliament, because the majority, having an interest hostile to reform, would of course be rendered dissatisfied by the proposal of a measure to that purpose. By becoming Reformer, therefore, he insist make tip his mind to cease being Alinist.z. The Duke could not prevail on Parliament to agree to Reform; but if means could be found for disposing Parliament in favour of Reform, the SEMI means would dispose hiss Graeae in favour of it, The - only means by which Parlia ment could be apnoed to favour Reform, would lie a de monstration us the part of the great body of the owners of proiterty in this country, that they were determined to have ;t. There can be no sineetlen that the middle classes ere much more powerful, were they united, than the Avis tocracy or rather the Oligarchy's Bait at present the latter presume on the apathy of the middle classes. Thu Oligarchy, we may he,seaureal, are not to be coaxed into a love of Reform. A chance speech at a meeting, or a inn• lion in the House of Commune, will produce but little its.. pression on them. They must see that the middle classes are in earnest-..and this aasurediy they have stover yet seen. Mr. Hume observed on Tuesday night—. If the Right lion. Gentleman (Sir Robert Peel) thought that the British people were for ever to be hewers of wood and drawers of water. while a small class lived luxuriously en their boniest., he weuld find himself mistaken.. What the People wanted was relief from taxation, and with that a cure of the pre ent vice of election*. They wanted to get the Peers out of the Commons-to confine the farmer to their own department. That was the cry from one end of the country to the other'. They asked for bre.sd and they were given stones. They were told shot the Government meant to meddle with the atTaire of other countries; and he believed they did so, to keep the people of England quiet; for such had always been the tricking Pcille? of this' Government. Hut was such a dowse to be ;mount when thousand' were dying of went.... (No, uo l from 'the Tretee 'may lieneltes.).-Ile was not surprised that they who fattened on the riches of the land should deny this assertion ; but he wished they mould go and look into the state of the persist* in different parts of the country, and then they would not deny that which no man could with truth deny. The people required a reform of that House, because that House was the origin oral/ the cells from. which the country outlived. The Noble Lord who has) moved the Address had expressed a wish with which he (Mr. Hume) most heartily concurred—namely, that the Government should give liberty to all, injury to none. He agreed with that sentiment; but, he asked, was that the NW at the present ines. meat, when millions were granted fer the gratitleetton of a 6 , w at the expense of the starving artisans of the country I Every act of that House tended to the same point." Whenever the middle classes act in such a manner as to' show that they share these opinions of Mr. Home, we shall obtain reform, but not till then. Mr. Brougham, however, is to perform little lees than a miracle, for be is " to combine all- Interest* and all opinions in favour of a restoration of the Constitution to its state of original pu. city," lie afterwards declared, The peopled Englaud prefer a limited Monarchy, and with that on,Aristocreey for en Arirtocracy is a neceesOrY pert of a limited Mo narchy. The people of Engla n d ,are treat heertilaa they love their institutions. I wish well to the right* ofjhe people, cud by those rights I sin resolved to live, being really to perish with three rights and for them ; been's.), f orone , too* th o se rights are understood by the people„, and ere appropriate to their character and temper. Limited Monarchy, and Aristocracy, are the hest security far, these right*, and T for oue wish for no oltange. I wish .fur' „ pu revolution ; and I speak I am sure the sentiments of tint great hulk of the people, who love the institutions of their country, who love Monarchy and love Nobility; becau.e, with the 6044 and liberties of the'peopla themselves, these ere all knit up together. They have I strong attschment, Mere, to our forrn of Gownment; lad for my men part,' I declare that I Wonld infinitely rather, if all thee must perish, perish with them, than survive to read on the ruins the memorable Nemo of the instability of the best loimeu institutions." The life of the Honourable and Learned Gentleman is of too much value to the country to be rashly exposed; but we are not in any greet alarm on account of his threat of perishing with Aristocracy, rather than survive it. We wish we could see as favourable s prospect of the wee" of his, plan for restoring th e Constitution to the state of hastiglnal purity as of the touluraoce of the ot,jcet of his love. But what does Mr. Brougham mean by attachment to Aristo. ciao , ? If ha means that every peso should he protected in the enjoyment of his property, whether large; or small, and that the posseslorre of large property should be as astute as the possessors demon properties, his attachment,: is a Air a n d rational one. Hot Who means that the psi*. seniors of large properties should also be allowed to invade, the property of others, in order to Ferret the disintott. herment of their own, we demur to hit proposition. Mr. Brougham must either submit a proposition calculated to secure the property. of the many from the invasion of the .. few, or a proposition calcalated to perpetuate the advantage' Which the few now enjoy at the ea:prose of the many. One or the other of these he nowt do—hoth he cannot. We answer for it that it his plot go to wrest from the' Aristocracy the power they at present stijoY of filling, the house of Common* with their noininee, it will lie laughed at by them. The Doke of Wellington, though be can. :. not say such fine things in praise' of the d‘ilstocraci i ` Will fi nd a much readier access to th e i r fay'reor who tells them that the Constitution, 111 it is, isMO unaceptible of isuProvemint, is sure , the stica'‘iik, ul weer. The Aristueranl are quite satisfied they are. Itlr. Broitibein . 'hiW a Pei/11444 tongue;' but it will rteittife dettl rowiu fu pet. $O4