The Sun. — London, England, 1863-06-02 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT HOUSE OF LORDS.—Last Evening. The Lord Chancellor took his seat at the usual hour. PRIVATE BUSINESS. The Tranmere Docks, Birkenhead Improvement, Dublin Corporation Water, Skipton Gas, and Dublin,Wicklow, and Wexford Railway bills were read a second time. THIRD READING. The London, Chatham, and Dover Railway (No. 1), Lowestoft Water, Gas, and Market, Raton and Warbur ton-bridge, and Blackfriar's-bridge bills were read a third time and passed. SPEED OF LOCOMOTIVES. Lord BROUGHAM as k e d w h ether there was any inten tion on the part of the Government to introduce any mea sure to affix a maximum speed to railways. The dreadful accidents that had taken place lately rendered Government interference highly necessary ; but at the same time he must say he was decidedly against any occasional legislation, because the laws made on such occasions generally took a one •sided view of the subject. Four years ago he had spoken against the high rate of speed OR English railways, compared with those in foreign countries, on which acci dents less frequently occurred ; and he was told that 50, 60, or 70 miles could be run with safety, but notwithstanding that he still maintained his views, and the late horrid accidents fortified him in his opinion. The greatest danger was also incurred in consequence of the practice of engine drivers, in order to pick up lost time , putting on the steam beyond the bounds of safety, and the result being calamities of the most distressing description. He hoped the Government would take the subj ect into their conside- ration. Earl GRANVILLE said he was not aware that the noble and learned lord intended to ask the question he had just put, but as far as he knew it was not the intention of the Government to introduce any w as on the subject. If they did he thought it very unlikely that Parliament would pass such a measure. He did not think it was desirable for the Government to interfere with the manage ment of railways, and he thought that the speed on foreign railways was in many instances greater than 25 miles a our. The noble lord himself seemed to think that a great h deal of the danger arose in consequence of the endeavours of the engine-driver to overtake lost time, a circumstance very difficult to deal with by legislation. Lord BROUGHAM said he was quite aware of the diffi culty of dealing with the subject. The Earl of HARDWICKE thought if it was made com pulsory upon railway companies to keep exact time in starting the trains according to the time table, a great many of the accidents would never occur. The subject then dropped. DISTURBANCES AT ATHENS. The Marquis of NORMANBY asked whether the Government would have any objection to lay on the table of the house two despatches, received from Mr. Scarlett since their lordships last met, relative to the late disturbances at Athens ? Earl RUSSELL said he should prefer waiting until he received further information before he produced the de spatches referred to. THE BRAZILS, Earl DERBY said that during the recess telegrams had been received from Brazil disclosing some matters of im portance, and he wished to know whether any correspon dence had been received by the Secretary for Foreign Affairs in reference to that subject, and whether there would be any objection to produce it ? Earl RUSSELL said he held in his hand the corres pondence referred to, which he was about to lay on the table of the house, by command of her Majesty. THE BURIAL SERVICE. Lord EBURY rose to move an humble address to her Majesty praying for the appointment of a committee to consider what steps should be taken to obviate the evils complained of, as arising from the present compulsory and indiscriminate use of the burial service of the Church of England. Lord DESART moved that the motion be considered this day six months. The Archbishop of Canterbury, Lord Granville, the Archbishop of York, the Bishop of London, the Duke of Marlborough, the Bishop of St. David's, Lard Stanhope Lord Chelmsford, Lord Russell, the Bishop of Llandaff: Lord Grey, Lord Lyttelton, the Bishop of Cashel, and the Lord Chancellor all advised Lord Ebury to withdraw his motion. In the course of a long discussion several suggestions were made, the Duke of Marlborough proposing to refer the matter to Convocation, while Lord Stanhope was opposed both to a Royal commission and to Convocation, and recommended that the beach of bishops should be authorised by the Crown to consider this important sub ject. Lord Grey thought it would be better to adjourn the debate for a month, in order to allow ,longer time for con sideration of the question, a step advocated likewise by the Lord Chancellor, who, in the course of his speech, pro tested against the Bishop of London advising his clergy on his own authority to contravene the law. Lord EBURY, in a brief reply, withdrew his motion conditionally on a measure being introduced by the bench of bishops. The motion, after a few words from the Archbishop of CANTERBURY, was withdrawn. The Stock Certificates to Bearer Bill and the Customs and Inland Revenue Bill were both read a third time and passed. Their lordships adjourned at a quarter to eight o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS—Last Evening. The SPEAKER took the chair at 4 o'clock. THIRD READING. The Memel Hempstead and London and North Western Railway Bill. PETITIONS. Several petitions were presented against the sale of in toxicating liquors on the Sabbath ; Mr. M. GIBSON, from Ashton-under-Lyne, saying that the petitioners required recreation and refreshment on tho Sabbath, and objected to the closing of public-houses on the Sabbath, Mr. COBDEN presented a petition from the licensed victuallers of Rochdale against the bill for closing public houses on the Sunday, and one from the magistrates and inhabitants of the town in favour of it. CHINA—LIEUTENANT TINLING. Lord C. PAGET desiz ed to correct a reply which he gave to a question the other evening with respect to the death of Lieutenant Tinling. He stated that no official in formation had been received at the Admiralty on the subject. It appeared, however, that a letter had been received from Captain Dew, sent to Admiral Cupar, inti mating the death of that officer, whose services and gal lantry he highly eulogised. ACT OF UNIFORMITY. Mr. M. MILNES gave notice that on the 9th of June he intended to move an amendment to the motion of the hon. member for Maidstone with respect to the Act of Unifor mity having relation to the Thirty-nine Articles. THE INTERNATIONAL EXHIBITION. Mr. GREGORY gave notice that he should, to-morrow, ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer to what purpose the international building,which the Government had intimated their intention to purchase, would be devoted, and.when the estimate would be laid before the house—(hear, hear) —and if so,, whether he would make a statement to the house, and when ; whether the domes would be replaced by other structures, and if so, when these embellishments of London and the vicinity would be carried out. (Hear, and laughter.) RECRUITING FOR THE FEDERALS IN IRELAND. Mr. HOPWOOD asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland whether her Majesty's Government were aware that the Federals were recruiting in Ireland, and if they were pre paring to take steps to prevent it ? Sir R. PEEL replied that the Government was aware that Federal agents had been at work in Ireland, but, as they did not recruit openly, their proceedings were very from l i t of detection. Numbers of young men bad gone t o I ,, l ,: v la nd , whose passages had been paid. He had reason enlist • . y e ot t E t e iat the Irish in America had been induced to active t ri o , 4 0 . ti this kind. The Government were taking I.l\sit), cover the agents. Mr. 11.14. t& - N A . p my 1 12 S zs —CLINE FUND. 4, Y , an y °%cet .. f t ,'lsked the Secretary of State for India depot at e a - `"a late Ind' his rai il t; and mloil !a d n army, now doing duty at Government to mai l? receive the pay due to hthe ad doors of her Majesty's Indian service the lofi 'l a P t t° th " and orphans of the o,o c r li i, : e l s t 4 ,,,: t a y sZiuled by the late deci a.resPecting Lor r d e Sir C. WOOD ceived less thanhistr that henfore been misinformed?a,: The i t, e `raPloyed irdehuceeently arrived v nl i Zuer had there Clive Fund had been so had yet elapsed to give it at:Z" to the ancdonsideration, but no time apprehend that the widows nified. (Hear, hear.) °r P 1 " 118 would te,:linitlimot. , GALWAY PACKET COMPAN Y NEWFOUNDLAND AND ST . J URN' S t Treasury were Mr. KEKEWICH asked the Seeretar.y to boned he whether the Gal wa y Packet Com p an y by their Contract to land mails as well as telegrams when the ship s called at St. John's, Newfoundland ? explained that a differebneceenolfzistu. pre. Mr. F. PEE L veiled on the su b j ect which had not yet VENTILATION OF THE HOUSE. Mr. D. GRIFFITH asked the First Commissioner of Works whether, in this warm weat her, it would not be b e tter to ventilate the h ouse by the or dinary expedient of opening the windows, rather than continue the present mode of shutting the windows carefully, and pumping up the air from the cellars below the house ? Mr. COWPER replied that if the proposition of the hon. gentleman were adopted the air would neither be s o cool was or so pure as at the present moment. hear.) It not correct to say that the air was pumped out of a cellar below the house. If the hon. member would go below — (laughter)—he would find that very excellent arrangements prevailed, which originated with Mr. Gurney, for pu rif y ing the air hon. members breathed. The air was adm itted in the most natural way into chambers, where it was washed by streams of pure water from its impurities, and then passed eta rapid rate through clean chambers where chemical means : •er e:i e the ad r o w p as eetedtlod clear it of all impurities. When the r was warmed, and when warm it was iced. (Hear, and laughter.) The average heat just now indicated by the thermometer was 64, and when it was 78 outside it was 65 within, exhibiting a differ , ) ce of 13 degrees. (Hear, hear.) If, therefore, the w ows were opened they should have a hotter and less pure atmosphere. Whenever any benefit would arise the w udows were opened.: THE PURCHASE OF THE INTE ATIONAL BUILDING. Lord J. MANNERS inquired the price the Government had agreed to pay for the building. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied that an arrangement had been come to with the Commis sioners and the contractors subject to the sanction of the house. The price agreed to be paid was £120,000, and £BO,OOO to the contractors fur the residue of their claim, b u t exclusive of the annexes. (Hear, hear.) He should shortly fix a day when he should bring the whole matter before the house. He should not seek for the vote in a Committee of Supply. He should bring the matter before the house on Monday. BRAZIL. In reply to Mr. S. FITZGERALD, Mr. LAYARD replied that he this afternoon had laid he papers promised by him on the table of the house. FORTIFICATIONS—SPITHEAD. In reply to Sir J. ELPHINSTONE, Lord PALMERSTON intimated that he purposed shortly making a statement with respect to fortifications, when he should state the intentions of the Government with respect to Spithead. INLAND REVENUE BILL. On the motion that this bill as amended be considered, Mr. HUNT moved the omission of clause 21, and the sub stitution in its stead of a new clause, making the consent of one justice sufficient in granting occasional licenses to sell beer, spirits, or wine, and extending the operation of such licenses from sunrise to one hour after sunset, and, on occa sions of public dinners or balls, to such hours is the justices may allow. Mr. AYRT ON objected to the alteration. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER supported it, on the ground that it was a rational amendment in the law. From 9,000 to 10,000 licenses had been taken out since the law earns into operation, and he did not believe there was a single case in which mischief had resulted from them. The clause was then read a first time. On the question that the clause be read a second time, Mr. DODSON proposed, as an amendment to the clause, that after the word " license," at the end thereof, to add, in lieu of the duty of ss. now chargeable, there shall be charge able for every occasional license the sum of 2s. 6d. After some discussion, on the suggestion of the CHAN CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER it was agreed that the clause should stand over. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE QUER, the following clauses were agreed to : Ist. A clause enacting that commissioners of taxes for any division of a county may hold their meetings within an adjoining city or other place of exclusive jurisdiction. 2d. A clause enact ing that income tax is to be deducted from coupons on stock certificates, although the half-yearly payment is under 50s. Mr. HUNT then moved that no mortgage, bond, in strument, or any assignment thereof, given by way of security, in pursuance of the provisions of the twelfth section of an act passed in the last session of Parliament, intituled, " An Act for the Better management of High ways in England," nor any contract, or agreement, or appointment of any officer, made or entered into in pur suance of any of the provisions of such last-mentioned act, shall be charged or chargeable with any stamp duty what ever. The hon. member said that it was no doubt owing to an oversight that the Highway Act of last session did not continue this exemption, and he would remind the house that the South Wales Highway Act did contain it. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER strongly deprecated the pernicious example of exempting particular individuals, or classes of individuals, from the operation of the general law ; and at any rate if such exemption was to be made as that now proposed, it ought to be embodied in a particular bill on the subject rather than at the last stage of a mere revenue bill, After a long discussion, during which the proposal re ceived much support from the opposition members, The house divided— For the clause Against _ _ _ Majority against the clause -30 The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then moved the recommitment of the bill, in order to allow the clause which had been passed in committee of ways and means for the adjustment of the tax relating to railway ex cursion trains to be inserted. The right hon. gentleman also proposed another matter of a technical nature, with re gard to the taking out of the tobacco license. Under pre sent arrangements, there was but one day for taking out the tobacco license, namely the sth of July; but in order to remedy the inconvenience under which publicans laboured, he proposed that publicans should henceforth obtain their tobacco license on the 10th of October, the day on which they obtained their beer and spirit license. Lord R. CECIL objected to the present mode of proceed ing on the part of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and said it was hardly fair towards those who were opposed to a tax on excursions to make the present proposition without notice. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could as sure the noble lord that he was not willing to do anything without the sanction of the house, but he believed the course he was now pursuing was for the convenience of all parties. Sir J. FERGUSSON said the Chancellor of the Ex chequer was entitled to every forbearance, as he had given the parties interested in the matter the fullest opportunity of stating their case. The house then went into committee, Mr. Massey in the chair. The clause adjusting the tax relating to excursion trains was then agreed to ; as was also the clause allowing publi cans to obtain the tobacco license on the same day they took out their beer and spirit license. The house resumed. THE PATRIOTIC ASYLUM AT 'WANDSWORTH -ALLEGED MISCONDUCT OF OFFICIALS. Mr. J. A. SMITH asked the Under-Secretary of State for War whether his attention had been drawn to the re port of the Patriotic Fund, and the causes of the resigna tion of the majority of the members of the ladies' committee of the Royal Victoria Patriotic Asylum appointed in Ja nuary, 1862. He also called attention to the admission of the late Sir G. C. Lewis, that a girl of sixteen years of age had been flogged in that establishment, and further, that the conduct of the officials who had committed this act was condoned by the executive committee ; and to inquire what steps had been taken to prevent the recurrence of such practices. The hon. gentleman called attention to the lamentable event which had taken place on another oc casion, when a girl had been burned to death. The girl who had been burned was not a pupil of the school, but a servant. He believed the chaplain had no more right to send the girl to solitary confinement than he had to impri son any member of that house. An inquiry had taken place before a coroner and a jury, and a verdict of " Acci dental death" had been returned ; but he knew the verdict had been condemned by all the inhabitants of Wandsworth. The lady superintendent was not at Wandsworth at the time of the accident, and he thought it right to state that, subsequently, two schoolmistresses had been dismissed for alleged misconduct or neglect on the occasion. The attention of the executive committee had been called to the state of management of the school, and after some discussion they appointed a ladies' committee to assist them in the management of the school. A com- mittee of 13 ladies had been appointed ; these ladies applied themselves with great intelligence and industry to an investigation into the state of matters in the school, and the conclusion they arrived at was, that the moral die• cipline of the school was most unfortunate. Among other things they found that a girl within a few months of 16 years of age had been flogged with a birch rod, under the express orders of the chaplain. On another occasion two girls had been sent to London by Capt. Fishbourne, the senior hon. secretary, for the purpose of being mesmerised. (Laughter.) The ladies' committee reported that the punish ment in the school was unsuitable and revolting, and re commended the dismissal of the chaplain. The executive committee, though paying respectful attention to manythings in the ladies' report, declined to dismiss the chaplain ; and as a reason for this, they stated that everything the chaplain had done was underithe direct sanction of the hon. secretary, Capt. Fishbourne. It might be agood excusefor afforded not dismis sing the subordinate officers,but the allegations a Fishbourne was go od ground for the rem oval of Capt.Fishbourue. It appeared to him that the position occupied by Capt. shbourne a very singular and anomalou s one. Capt. Fishbourne was called hon. secretary, but he w as told that he received a salary amounting to as much as £730 a year. The hon. member then called attention to the resignation of Lord 7 6 7 1Ritac a t P wory to t o l f au i ai ri nonf it: r e . lf that things Colchester as chairman of the executive committee, which that as his intention to say a word wasth i n ng ot s were not going on in a sa tragted th e m the hon. gentleman to whom had been en treated of the institution, but he thought tho child tic he v,,,,,, i n . r tit t l )ta c was the guardian of the soldier's ot the no blelord ed h lu brin ging the matter under the no- The Marc ia , f the -Under Secretary hon. membe r had° li.kierlNG.r,., for War. (Hear.) he should inform put the question said . . that, though the Patriotic 'Fu n d wull, how that t i? him, it was necessary Department; and the 1" way under the of the a question almost in the same sh„ control control of the War stated that he was not : n ame term a tuitt :2R+ in answering nagement . of the school. It way r„poaßaeut, distinctly might be called the guardi a Wa' true that t vor the rna had n - ) right to interfere, zo i t t the Bailee% ellrdar °filb",, him to interfere with the management4B ullrefauisnittable 'but he J. PAKINGTON said the o- answer --a 7 11°°lellect noble lord was exactly what ho had ex g-1° : b Y the the honour of being a member of P t u h e i t ) ed. --a lie had m ittee, the house would probably permit ehziecutive corn. few words of explanation, and ho believed mit to offer a w satisfactory both to the house and the hon. gentlemano4l be Thn executive committee had reason to be dissatisfiod. with the unusual form in which the hon. gentleman had shaped his question, and which was unusual in the Par liamentary form of question. The hon. gentleman had also given undue prominence to certain matters which had a ten dency to create a prejudice against the executive committee. The flogging of the girl with a birch rod, alluded to by the hon. gentleman, was an act which he did not stand up to vindicate, either in his own name or in that of the executive committee—(hear, hear)—and he begged to state that steps had been taken to prevent the recurrence of any such punishment. In the early days of the institution several practices had been carried out which could not be approved of; but he believed that no blame attached to the lady superintendent or to the chaplain. The management of the school was vested in the executive committee, who had appointed from among their number a house committee. The flogging of the girl had occurred as far back as January, 1862 ; and it was in the beginning of 1862 that the melancholy accident had occurred, which caused the death of the girl by fire. The hon. member for Chichester had thought proper to impugn the verdict of the jury, who returned accidental death ; but he thought, under the circumstances, no verdict was ever more thoroughly justified. The hon. member had spoken of his holding communications with some of the jurymen, who stated they were not satisfied with the finding; but surely the hon. member should know they could not take cogni zance in that house of anything which did not appear on the face of the verdict. The hon. gentleman was correct in saying that the event of last year led to the appointment by the executive committee of a committee of ladies, whose first act was to differ in opinion with the executive committee to such an extent as to threaten to resign unless their recom mendations were carried out; and most of them were, how ever, adopted. At the commencement of the inquiry the major un ity les o s f thecommittee ladies, em ex w ec o u u t l i d ve no c t om co m nt i t t n te u e e dismissed the lady super i nten d ent and the c h ap l a i n . That, of course, placed the committee in a painfully em barrassing • • position. It gave the committee the chance of two alternatives, either to dismiss those persons because the ladies' committee had told them to do so on pain of losing their services ; or, on the other hand, the committee, having a responsible duty to dis charge, were to go judicially into the investigation of their conduct, and come to such conclusion as their sense of justice might dictate. They deeply regretted the inti mation they received from the ladies, but their determina tion was to hear what the lady superintendent and the chaplain had to say, and dismiss them or not, as they thought the justice of the case required. The inquiry lasted from the beginning of March till the 9th of May, when the executive committee adopted a resolution disapproving of the punishment that had been inflicted by the lady super intendent and the chaplain in some instances, but that under the circumstances of the new regulations that had been adopted for the future superintendence and regulation of the school it was necessary to call on them to resign their situa tions. That resolution was unanimously agreed to by the members of the committee present, and it was confirmed unanimously at a subsequent meeting. The next step was the presentation of the report, embracing the resolution, to the Royal Commissioner s; and Earl Grey, who was not satisfied with the decision of the committee, moved a reso lution, expressing the opinion of the Royal Commissioners in an opposite sense, viz„ that the two officials ought to have been dismissed. The resolution was fully considered by the Royal Commissioners present, and on a division two only supported it, and seven opposed ; the hon. mem ber for North Lancashire, who had accidently left the room, observed on his return that, if ho had been present, he should have voted against it. Lord St. Leonards was one of those who supported Earl Grey's resolution, and it was but right to say that at a meeting of the Royal Com missioners held ten or fourteen days ago, Lord St. Leonards said he had, since the motion above referred to was discussed, gone over the establishment at Wandsworth, and he had never seen greater improvement in the building or a public institution in a more satisfactory condition. (Hear, hear.) The executive committee had taken every precaution to prevent a recurrence of what had occurred. They had abolished the sub-committee, and every thing now devolved upon the executive committee which had been recast with competent men. Regular monthly meetings had been estab lished at the asylum, together with weekly inspection by the various members of the committee. He hoped, there fore, the bon. gentleman would admit that the committee had shown an anxiety, so far as they could, to place the management of the establishment in a satisfactory condition, without having recource to the dismissal of the two officials. Although the ladies had thought it their duty to resign, he could not help thinking that they would rejoice to hear that the management of the institution had been placed on so satisfactory a footing, without the Commiss ioners being obliged to indict a stigma or cast reflection on two most respectable and deserving individuals. The punishment was not left to their discretion, a punishment book being regularly kept; the punishment being restricted to three stripes on the hand with the cane. That regulation had been adopted unanimously by the Commissioners, except Lord Colchester, who had resigned. The cane, the Commissioner found on examination, was used in three or four of the great public schools. Mr. KINNAIRD said the explanation of the right hon. baronet would give great satisfaction, and he suggested that the schools should have the assistance of a committee of ladies. Sir J. PAKINGTON said there were seven only out of the thirteen had resigned. They had never ceased to be superintended by ladies. Mr. KINNAIRD objected to the use of canes in schools of this character, and urged a milder punishment as more effective. Mr. BRISCOE was pleased to hear the explanation that had been given. He was also in favour of the super intendence of a committee of ladies. He referred to the case of the two children that had been sent up to be mesmerised, and hoped it would not be again repeated. Mr. CORRIE said a medical officer was attached to the hospital, and visited every day. No case would be treated in future in the way referred to by the last speaker. The subject then dropped, and the house went into SUPPLY. _ _ On the vote of £30,643, balance of vote of £45,243 for royal palaces, Mr. NV, WILLIAMS called attention to the large amount of this vote. Ho had no objection to vote any sum that was absolutely required for the comfort and dignity of the Queen, but h e th oug ht th e y o ught to object to this vote, which was an increasing annual one to the extent of £lO,OOO. Mr. A, SMITH complained of the bad arrangement of the details of the vote, things being mixed up in it that ought to have bee n c h arge d t o o th er d e p ar tments, such as furni ture. The savings from the civil list ought to be sufficient to defray their kind of expense, and observed that he should like to see a detailed account of that list. He feared 'hey would get little redress from any remonstrance they might make. He called attention to the handsome iron gates that wore removed from Hampton Court Palace, and taken to Brompton as specimens of English ironwork ; and ho asked if they were still there, and why they were not repaired and returned to Hampton Court Palace ? After some remarks from Sir J. SHELLEY, relative to the admirable manner in which the furniture department was managed by the chief clerk, Sir M. PETO called attention to the inadequacy of St. James's Palace for State occasions, and hoped the noble lord would shortly turn his attention to the subject. Mr. CO WPE tt defended the manner in which the ac counts were presented. The vote for the royal palaces was divided into three heads. Palaces occupied by her Majesty ; palaces partly so occupied, but used for State occasions, such as St. James's Palace ; and palaces that were not in any respect in the occupation of her Majesty. There was no charge for furniture in the palaces occupied by her Majesty, as that came from the Lord Chamberlain's depart ment; but there were charges in the vote for furniture for the State palaces and State rooms. The ornamental railings were removed from Hampton Court Palace, and had been removed with a view to their preservation, and we re now in the Kensington Museum. It was considered better to keep them there as specimens of early English art rather than replace them at Hampton Court Palace, and by exposure to the weather destroy them. The vote was then agreed to. On the sum of £82,750, balance of the vote for public buildings and supplying them with water, beingMr N. charged VWILLIAMS for the e supplyall ed o a f t t w e n a t t i e o r n to t t ot h the e Hsuomusefs I f o p , o a o r o . liament, the fountains in Trafalgar-square, and to other public buildings, and for engines, pumps, pipes, &o. There was also a charge of £7:50 rent of a house for the fortifica tion branch of the War Department, and another sum for the furniture ; that ought not to have been put into this vote, but should have been charged to fortifications. Mr. CONVPER said the War Department in Pall-mall was not large enough for the fortification branch to be taken there, and that was why the charge was in this vote. He believed a very economical arrangement had been come to. Mr. W. WILLIAMS also complained of the charge of £9OO rent for a house in St, James's-square for the tithe copyhold commission, that commission having been closed for many years. Mr. CHILDERS regretted the small number of mem bers present to discuss those estimates. He complained of the inadequate superintendence exercised by the Go vernment of this country over public works and build ings, compared with that adopted by our Continental neighbours in this engineering age. This country had lost ground rapidly during the last 20 years in that respect, and unless something were done to retrieve our position we should fall far behind our continental neighbours. The practical result of our arrangement was that the First Com missioner of Works had not the general superintendence of the works of the country. He had certainly occasionally to superintend the erection of a few buildings in the metropolis, to look over the parks, and see that furniture was economi cally purchased and supplied. The superintendence of the Public ,,,, works and buildings connected with the Government m to racattered about that it was difficult to know whom , m , l iI) ,, Y to. Some were under the control of the Treasury, v iz to oaasr.,. It j tiii , t nuawc - , ii .sei : " enth. a rt t a d et er e: to, ,iltieoac control totally ut the r 0. 3 i oo different it r ffh d ee r o He f no T tni r eade,w character,h o Secretary. h a n a had i f ? rauei,:at is and piers ; railways, which required so trot of ~, !,,rtel:-ir supervision, were placed under the con wtakorekathale subject 11;:a:cresbee:::114.11 otra_ ent to some change in the He h ope d an, Lt sat of an their e e i c r o f n un om ct i i c o a n l s c P °B 41 151 e t 13 discharge over them. sad a ,,i, / ,: l 7 4 l torae hon. member would consider ' , At not to CPerveision of our public • lie musidored w that oenthu ntthhereoreci rir- they ought to be concentrated under the superintendence of one department, which would be more economical than now, and tend to an improved style of architecture. Lord PALMERSTON said that his hon. friend's pro position went to a very material change in our system that was not congenial to our constitution, It was true that in France and other countries the Government exer cised great control over all works, whether public or pri vate, but that was not in accordance with the feelings of this country, or with the general arrangement that pre vailed. He could not admit that this country was behind other countries in architectural development, and he in stanced the public and private buildings of Liverpool, Manchester, and Leeds, or any of the great towns, which abounded with buildings of the most beautiful description, erected by persons not under the control of the Govern ment, but employed by the municipality, which were an honour to the country, and equal in beauty to anything that could be found on the Continent. The hon. gentle man proposed that an officer of the Government should con trol and direct the action of municipal corporations in the erection of town-halls. Mr. CHILDERS said no. Only public buildings con nected with the Government, Lord PALMERSTON said such were superintended by the First Commissioner of Works, except such as military buildings and harbour works, which required special ar rangements for their construction. In conclusion, the noble lord repeated his belief that the arrangement suggested could not be adopted compatibly with the Constitution. Mr. A. SMITH complained that the items of all the votes were lumped together, and that it was consequently impossible to check them, He wished to know upon what principle rent was paid for public property ? The system was vicious, and he should therefore move the reduction of the vote by £7,000, on account of such rents. Mr. BRISCOE thought that the item of £25,441 for re pairs should be more detailed, and that the charge for water in case of fire, of £0f4,1300,000w0a, s an ex d u f s o s r iv e e n . gines, pump s, &c., Sir M. PETO pointed to the increase which was yearly growing in the item for rent. Last year it was £24,748, this year £26,358. In his opinion it would be more economical and more convenient to build proper offices than to continue the system of renting houses in different parts of the metro lis for the purpose, and he hoped that the right hon. gentle man, the First Commissioner, would take the subject into consideration during the recess. Mr. COWPER explained that the sum for repairs com prised 1,830 separate items, and that it would be trifling with the house to attempt to detail them all in the vote. The charge for water for all the public buildings was £3,000 a year; but he had inquired into the matter, and found that if they were to buy the water from the compa nies it would cost £BOO a year more. In regard to the item of £4,000 for engines, pumps, &c„ in case of fire, he be lieved it would be a wise and economical expenditure. The Government did not insure, and it was therefore necessary that proper provision should be made for the accident of fire It was first contemplated to erect a reservoir on Primrose hill, but as the cost of the plan would be £20.000 he had abandoned the idea. The second plan which was suggested, and which was eventually adopted, was to make the Ser pentine the reservoir. It would be sufficient to cover all the buildings down to 'Whitehall, and the intention was to place in connection with it pipes which would afford them an abundant supply of water at any moment in case of fire. In regard to the amendment of his hon. friend (Mr. A. Smith), he believed it would lead to much confusion, and hoped it would not be pressed. Lord J. MANNERS reminded the hon. baronet the member for Finsbury that the suggestion which he had thrown out was not altogether new to the house. The idea had been mooted before, but was abandoned by the house when it was found that its execution would cost £1,000,000. He admitted that the scheme would be:the most economical in the end, but he believed that the house would still object to so large and immediate an outlay. He wished to know what was to be done with Burlington House. Mr. COWPER explained that he was not then prepared to say what would be done with it. The amendment was then withdrawn, and the vote agreed to. On a vote of £13,879 balance of the estimate for furni tare, &c., for the public offices, Mr. A. SMITH moved that it be reduced by £4,611, being the unappropriated balance of last year. Mr. CO %VPER replied that there was no balance now oMarc h utstanding, it h av i ng been paid into the Exchequer in Lord J. MANNERS called attention to the item on ac comet of the South Kensington Museum, and suggested that the expenditure on account of the institution required to be carefully revised. Sir J. SHELLEY maintained that there was no expen diture which afforded so:much gratification and information to a large mars of the people as that on account of the South Kensington Museum. (Hear, hear.) No man could object to it. Mr. Alderman SALOMONS urged that it would be ad visable to be k eep a l l the votes on account of the Museum together. It s expense might taine d. then be accu ra t e l y ascer - Mr. AYRTON admitted the advantage of the institu tion, but contended that it would have been much more beneficial if it had been erected within the metropolis. The votes on its account were divided in order to disguise its expenditure. After some observations from Mr. COWPER, The committee divided-- For the amendment 23 Against it ................... Majority .................... The vote was then agreed to. The next vote was a sum of £ 9 7,9s2—part of which had been already voted on accou n t —to defray the expenses of bee n park s an d p l easure gardens. Sir 11. VERN EY, while recognising the great advantages that had b een gained by the public in the opening of Batter sea and Vi ctoria Parks, said it was incumbent on the right hon. gentleman at the head of the Department of Works to do s till more for the public. For instance, a great conveni ence would b e a ff orded b y opening a communication from Cockspur-street to the north side of the Mall in St. James's park ; then the southern end of Park-lane was in a very dangerous condition; and omnibuses ought to be allowed to traverse the road by the Serpentine as well as carriages. Mr. SELWYN called attention to the unfinished con dition of the conservatory at Kew Gardens, and asked whether it was the intention of the Government to proceed with the work. Mr. TITE , fully coinciding in the opinion that the gardens at Kew were a great success, thought it was an exceeding pity that the wings of the conservatory remained unfinished. Colonel FRENCH complained of the extravagant ex • penditure on the parks. Mr. DILLWYN thought they were entitled to demand more i nformation as to the details of the expenditure on the parks. No less a sum than £25,000 was asked on account of St. James's, the Green, and Hyde -parks, exclusive of Kensi ngton -gardens. Colonel EARTTELOT moved that the vote be reduced by a su m Of £7,952. How could a sum of nearly £30,000 be required to keep these parks in order ? He had heard, indeed, that the sum of £5,000 was spent annually upon perish a bl e flowers, the production of which could afford no enjoy ment to the general public. Mr. COX ridiculed the notion of designating the few acres enclosed at Kennington as a park. A sum of £1,500 Was actually expended upon the keeping up of this ao•called how th e park, th e grass part of which was devoted to the pasturing of s heep, whil e th e c hildren were driven to play on the gravel w a lk s. Sir J . PAKINGTON s aid these votes were an annual cau se of ast on i shment to hi m, f or h e cou ld never un d ers t an d money was spent. (Hear, hear.) Richmond Park was said t o cost £7,000 a year, and St. James's, the Green, and Hyde P arks cost £25,000 a year. 'Why, any private Proprietor w ould be ruined if ho spent money in such a wy. Mr' CAVE wished to direct the attention of the right hon. Affairs, gentleman to th e monolith at t h e E astern par t o f the Serpentine. and which took the place of the spring which was for merly there. Peopl e wondered very much where that monolith came from w h e ther it was from Egypt, or whether it h a d been brought ' from Assyria by the U nder Secretary for Foreign Affairs, or whether it was from the Summer Palac e at Pekin, H e wanted to know where it came from, h ow much it cost an d what had become of the spring which u se d to be there. (Laughter.) Mr. SCLA I'ER-Ttn --''/OTH d enoun ced the playing of the band of the comm i ssionaires in the Cambridge Enclosure. He had the b es t authority for saying that these musical performances were regarded as a most serious nu i sance b y many of the Burrow:l(l4ig h ouse holders, If the band were of the enclosure they removed to th e centre might play away without b e i ng a nuisance to anyone. Mr. W. E WART could not understand what were the °Yrang functions of the deputy -rang er of the park, and why th e public should no t h ave access to the ground occupied by his residence close to the Serpentine. Col. SYKES, having resided for 30 years in the vicinity of Hyde P ar k, was able to afford testimony in favour of the extraordina r y im p rov ement in the condition of the Park , compared with w h at it was formerly. Lord J. MAN NERS said no comparison could be insti tuted betw een the maintenance of private parks and the public parks o f L ondon; and further, the more like they made th tia t o gardens, the more expense would they cause. He regretted th at the structure for the use of tho band had been erected in th e Regent's Park without a little more pre liminary discussion in that house. Mr. COWPER said that the London parks could not for a mo men t be compared with the parks of private gentlemen. The parks of London were frequented by an enormous popul a ti on, who were perpetually doing damage ; and the con sequence was, that a staff of 46 constables had to be employed to keep order. With regard to the item of £13,000- which was the e . cost of the maintenance of the three parks, it sh ou ld be kept in mind that there were eight miles of roads to be maintained, and 25 miles of gravel walks. The cost of a mac a d amised road like that of Regent-street costs about 4000 a mile, and if they were to apply such a calculation to the r oa d s in Hyde -park, Green-park, and St. James's, it would giv e a very large item. But there were also 25 miles of gravel walks which had to be kept i n very g ood order. If there w ere pebbles cm the walks the pu bl ic complained, and what was w orse t h an com plaint they left the walks and went upon the grass, making a Sahara desert of the parks. The distinction between the Ranger and the First Commissioner of Works was, that the gatekeepers were considered to be under the Ranger's department, and the external boundaries came under the Office of Works. There were 14 gatekeepers, who were paid something over £l,OOO in the aggregate. With regard to the flowers, the cost was very trifling, as they were reared in pits in the vicinity of Kensington-gardens. As to the proposed ride in Battersea-park, permission was given to builders and contractors to deposit earth in a portion of the park to make an embankment, and he proposed to form a ride upon the surface, after the plan of Rotten-row. With regard to the band in Regent's-park, he thought it right to have a stand made for it; for he saw that a band had been performing for several years in that park, which had been attended by thousands of persons without the slightest inconvenience or abuse of the authority of the Government. (Hear.) He be lieved the band answered the purpose very well, and he was told the audience were delighted with it. The right hon. gentleman then referred to the expenditure at Kew, and said that the port ion of the conserNatory already completed cost £32,000. The expense of the wings, if they should be erected according to the original design, would cost £14,000, and the Government did not feel themselves justified in undertaking that expenditure. He had bean asked what had become of the spring in Hyde Park. He really could not tell how it disappeared ; but in point of fact it was not a spring, and when the gravel through which the water had percolated was cut the water took another channel. As to the monolith erected in the place, and which gave so much offence to the taste of hon. members opposite, it was nothing else than a toulder of granite from Cornwall, which was placed there without any attempt at ornament. lie thought it excited great admiration. (Laughter.) The cost of it was about £2OO, which was almost entirely for the carriage of it from Cornwall to its present position. He was rather astonished to hear the hon. gentleman opposite complain of the band which played in the Cambridge Enclosure, St. James's Park, for he believed it, was greatly admired. Mr. PEACOCKE wished to put a question in the name of the great riding interest, and that was whether the grass would be opened to equestrians on the north side of the Serpentine, and whether Kensington Gardens would be also thrown open to them ? Mr. G. BENTINCK said there was no greater farce than was enacted year after year in committees of supply in that house. The members of the Ministerial bench were pledged to stringent economy, and the members of the front Opposition bench, who desired to go across, were pledged to still more stringent economy, and thus the whole thing became a farce. He knew his appeal was all in vain, but still he would ask was it right, was it decent, in a time of great general distress, to waste thousands of pounds upon the luxurious adornment of the metropolis, and in orna menting the park for the idle and indolent? (Hear, hear.) Mr. SCLATER-BOOTH wished to explain that he did not object to the band, but to the place selected for the per formance, which, being close to the houses, gave offence to a great many people. Sir M. RIDLEY wished to know the cost of the boy and dolphin in Hyde Park ? Mr. COWPER said he was not able to tell the cost, but he would make inquiry. With regard to opening the grass on the north aide of the Serpentine, the experiment had been tried last year, and it was found that it interfered with the free enjoyment of persons on foot, and therefore they only proposed to open the south side. And as to Ken sington Gardens, no arrangements could be made for the accommodation of equestrians in consequence of the road by the bridge being thrown open to carriages. (Hear, hear.) Lord R. CECIL said that he concurred in the observe tious of the hon. member for West Norfolk (Mr. Bentinck) that their committees of supply were a farce. Ireland was starving, and Lancashire was being kept up at the public expense, and yet there was an increase for " luxurious adornment" of £200,000 ; the estimates in this respect hav ing been raised from £700,000 to £900,000. Lord PALMERSTON defended the votes, and said the reason wby hon. members were so angry was, that the ac counts were so well managed and so carefully investigated, that it was found they were not susceptible of reduction. If they looked at the cost of the Bois de Boulogne, in Paris, they would find that it was something like £l4O a day, or £70,000 a year, nearly as much as the whole of the parks of the metropolis. He believed that the enjoyment derived by the people from the parks was an equivalent for the ex penditure. (Hear, hear.) The committee divided. The numbers were— For the vote Against 67 Majority -48 The vote was then agreed to. On the vote of £36,444 to complete the sum of £46,444 for the Houses of Parliament, Mr, COWPER, in answer to a question from Lord John Manners, said he had deferred coming to any deci sion with respect to the enclosing New Palace-yard from the Clock Tower until the buildings on the southern side of Bridge -street were pulled down, and which would be finally cleared away by the end of this year, or at latest in the course of next year. If the building was continued along from the Clock Tower, it might be employed ad • vantageously for public offices. Nothing, however, would be done for the present, and an opportunity would be given to the house for deciding on whether it should be enclosed or thrown open. Captain KNOX inquired if it was intended to widen Par liament-street from the Treasury to the Houses of Parlia ment ? Mr. COWPER said the report of the committee on this subject was still under consideration. Col. FRENCH urged the necessity of something being done towards improving the dining-rooms. Mr. Barry's estimate was too high for the committee to take upon itself to recommend that it should be carried out. It was useless to complain of the contractor if he had not the means of sa tisfying the demands of hon. members. If the Government were not disposed to move in the matter, it would be neces sary to bring the subject in a definite form before the house. He did not wish to press the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Cowper) for a reply then if ho was not prepared to give an answer. Mr. lIUNT asked the Chief Commissioner of Works if it was possible to construct an underground passage from the Clock Tower to the North side of Bridge-street, so as to avoid the dangerous crossing at the end of Westminster bridge, for the convenience of hon. members and those at tending the Houses of Parliament. Sir J. SHELLEY called attention to the state of the stonework of the llouses of Parliament. He had been over the building and minutely examined it, and unless some thing were done to preserve it, the ornamentation of the houses would be entirely destroyed. Several experiments had been tried, and all of them had failed but one—viz., Daines's process for vulcanising stonework. That process had been favourably reported on by Mr. Sydney Smirke, Mr. George Gilbert Scott, and Mr. Arthur Ashpital. He understood Mr. Daines had been told that he might go on applying his own process at his own expense, but he (Sir J. Shelley) thought that as so many had been assisted in their experiments at the expense of the Government, and had failed, it was but right that the Government should assist Mr. Daines with a grant of public money. Mr. ROGERS expressed a hope that whatever alterations were made in the refreshment rooms, nothing would be done that would interfere with the proper ventilation of that part of the building. Sir M. PETO called attention to the decay observable in the frescoes, and hoped that means would be adopted to discover its cause and arrest its progress. Mr. SCLATER-BOOTH wished to know if the item of £6,530 for the Speaker's stables would cover the whole ex• pense. Sir M. RIDLEY asked for explanation with regard to the twelve statues of British sovereigns in chronological series which were to be placed in the Royal Gallery. Mr. G REGORY pressed for a like explanation, and also for information with regard to the progress of Mr. Dyce's fresco. He wished to know if any representation had been made to Mr. Dyce as to the necessity of carrying out the engagement for which he had been paid. If Mr. Dyce were n , t, then he should be prepared to characterise his conduct as scandalous. (Hear, hear,) In regard to the statues, by means of which British art was to have been advanced, it appeared to him that they were about to be monopolised by Mr. Monroe and Mr. Thornyeroft. Mr. COWPER admitted that it was desirable that some means should be adopted to preserve the stone of the house, but the report of the scientific commission, which had been appointed in the matter, would not justify him in proceed ing with any of the plans which had been suggested for the purpose. He admitted also that the report of the commis. sion, as to the enlargement of the dining-room, deserved attention, but he should require some time before deciding on it. A tunnel across Bridge -street could only be made when the embankment was being constructed ; and as to the Speaker's stables, the whole expense would be covered by the vote. Mr. Dyce had assured him that he was going on with his work as rapidly as the state of the wall on which he was engaged would allow ; and as to the statues, of the six which had been sanctioned four were distributed between Messrs. Brown, Woolmer, Thernyeroft, and Monroe. The remainder would be given to other sculp tors. Mr. TITE, as a member of the committee to whom had been entrusted the investigation of the decay of the stone of which the houses of Parliament were built, could state that as yet the committee had been able to come to no con clusion upon the subject. It would seem, however, as if the decay, after proceeding to a certain point, stopped. Mr. CONINGIIAM ridiculed the application of oil and sulphur to stopping the decay of the stone. Lord It. CECIL condemned the system of paying film artists employed about the decorations of the house in ad vance. He had no doubt that if Mr. Dyce had not been paid in advance he would have been done long ago. The vote was then agreed to, the chairman reported pro gress, and the house resumed. VICE ADMIRALTY COURTS BILL. This bill passed through committee. CAYMAN ISLANDS BILL. This bill was read a second time. ALKALI WORKS REGULATION BILL This bill was read a second time. CORRUPT PRACTICES AT ELECTIONS BILL. On the motion for the consideration of the Lords' amend ments, Mr. HUNT moved that tko house should disagree with the Lords' amendment with reference to the clause throw ing the expense upon the boroughs. Mr. VANCE seconded the motion. The house divided. The numbers were— For the amendment ,4 0 Against it Majority The amendment was therefore lost, and the Lords' amendment was agreed to, FORT ERIN HARBOUR (ISLE OF MAN). This bill was read a second time. AFRICAN SLAVE TRADE TREATY BILL. On +he second reading of this bill, Lord PALMERSTON said it was but right to the United States Government to point out why this bill had been introduced. It was well known that for many years the African slave trade was sheltered by the protection of the American flag. Last year the United States Govern ment, in the handsomest manner, agreed to a treaty by which that protection was to be no longer given. (Hear.) It was agreed by that treaty to give mutual right of search, and constituting mixed tribunals for the trial of vessels caught in the slave trade, and other means connected with their adjudication. (Hear.) It was found that the extent of the range to which these operations applied was not sufficient, and this year the Government of the United States agreed to a supplemental article which extends to the neighbourhood of the Island of Madagascar the right of search, which was confined in the first instance to the narrower limits. It was but due to the liberality of the United States Government to point out to the country end the house that the bill which passed last year as a matter of form, and without attracting sufficiently the attention of the country—it was but just to that Government which had behaved in so liberal a manner, that a matter of so much int. - rest to this country as this second treaty should be marked by some attention being paid to it by that house. (Hear, hear.) After a few words from Mr. Cave, Mr. Coningham, Mr. Buxton, Mr. Torrens, and Mr. Kinnaird, all of whom ex pressed gratification at the measure, The bill was read a second time. OFFENCES (SOUTH AFRICA) BILL. This bill was re-committed, for the purpose of amend ment. The New Zealand Boundaries and Courts of the Church of Scotland Bills were read a third time and passed. The Admiralty Court (Ireland) Bil was wtthdrawn. THE EXHIBITION BUILDING. Lord FALMERSTON gave notice that he should move the vote in regard to the purchase of the Exhibition Build ing on Thursday week, instead of next Monday, as he first intimated. The house adjourned at twenty minutes to two o'clock. ST. THOMAS'S HOSPITAL. A public meeting was held yesterday evening at the Bridge-house Hotel to consider the insufficient provision now made to fulfil the objects of the charity of St. Thomas's Hospital, the unnecessary delay in fixing the site for the future hospital, and the equal unreasonable desire on the part of some of the governors to remove the hospital to a dis tance from the poor of the neighbourhood. The chair was taken by Mr. John Locke, M.P., and there were present Mr. Ruffle, guardian and ves tryman of St. George's, Southwark ; Mr. Goddard, vestryman of Lambeth ; Dr. Allen, Rector of St. George's, Southwark; Dr. Evans, Dr. F. Jones, vestryman of Christchurch; Mr. Freeman, guar dian of Camberwell ; 111 r. Legge, member of the Metropolitan Board of Works ; Mr. Vickars, Mr. Newman, vestryman of St. Saviour's ; Mr. Denny, vestryman of Camberwell; Mr. Park, vestryman and Guardian of St. George's ; and many other inhabitants of the parishes surrounding the locality in which the hospital has hitherto been es tablished, The CIIAIRMAN said the question to which the at tention of the meeting was about to be called had been f or t wo or t h ree y ears before the public. It , Was one of gr eat Importance to the inhabitants of that densely populated district. It referred, as those present a ere aware, to the future site of St. Thomas's Hospital. The rights claimed by the inhabitants of Southwark, in regard to that hospital, were unde niable. The hon. gentleman then traced the his tory of St. Thomas's Hospital from *he year 1213 down to the present day, and showed that by vari ous charters and grants the building and lands called St. Thomas's Hospital were granted for the benefit of th e poor of Southwark. He considered it right to enforce this point. In The Sun newspaper the other day it was stated that it was a strong point in the consideration of the question, and that if it could be established, as he (Mr. Locke) had no doubt it could, that the poor of Southwark had a right to the benefit of the hospital, it would very materially affect the question at issue. But, setting aside the legal rights of the people of South wark, he would refer to their social claims. St. Thomas's Hospital had hitherto existed amidst a dense population—upwards of 190,000 in South wark, and, joined to the borough of Lambeth, not less than half a million. It was obvious that no portion of the metropolis was better entitled to retain that establishment among them. By the charter of Edward VI. the hospital belonged to the people of Southwark, and there was no pre text whatever for removing it from them. In looking into the records of the City of London he found that as late as 1808 the Corporation upheld its right and authority over the hospital ; but a dis pute had arisen between the governors of the hos pital and the corporation, and it was finally enacted by the 22d of George 111., chap. 77, that 12 gover nors should be appointed by the city to assist in the governing of the hospital. He would say with regard to the question more immediately before the meeting, that a short time ago, at a meeting of the governors of the hospital, his friend Alderman Lawrence came forward and boldly reversed a decision of the Grand Committee, and by that reversal it was decided that the Grand Committee could not carry or take the Hospital of St. Thomas out of Southwark unless they had the sanction of the whole body of the governors. But when they found that the whole body consisted of 208, and that only 50 attended the meeting at which Alderman Lawrence carried his motion, it was quite obvious that unless the meeting he was then addressing aroused the dormant feeling that seemed to affect all that concerned St. Thomas's Hcspital, nothing would be done to advance the ob ject they all desired to see accomplished. He trusted that the people of Southwark would speak out:and toll the Grand Committee, as it was called, that they knew what their rights were, and that they were determined to see them enforced. The hospital had been taken down, and the question was, where is it to be rebuilt ? It was for that meeting, by their united voices, to decide that ques tion. It was for them to determine whether they would assist those who wished to benefit the poor inhabitants of Southwark, or whether they would tamely submit ta be overriden by the Governors of St. Thomas's Hospital. (Cheers.) Dr. RENDLE then moved the following resolu tion : "That St. Thomas's Hospital, named in the Charter of Edward VI. The House of Poor People in Southwark,' having been established in South wark now more than 300 years as a place and house for poor people to be there relieved and maintained, and having before its removal aafforded relief an nually to upwards of 40,000 persons, mostly of the immediate neighbourhood, suffering from illness and accidents—it is the opinion of this meeting that the hospital should be rebuilt upon a site as near as possible to the poorer population of the neighbour hood in which it has always been, and to which it has done so much good service; and that in no case should it be rebuilt more distant from the old hos pital than the site now occupied by Bethlem, that behind Newington Church, or that known as the Surrey Gardens." He believed that if the Governors had been pleased to do so, they might have kept St. Thomas's Hospital in perfect safety. The railway company did not wish to touch the hospital, and what ever little injury was done the company was quite prepared to remedy. They offered to build new wards if the Governors had wished to have them erected ; but since the hospital had been taken down it was their duty to have it erected elsewhere. Ho strongly advocated the site on which Bethlem Hospital now stood. There was no excuse at all for removing the building into the country. As to the proposition for dividing the hospital into two, one part in town and the other in the country, he hoped that that would never be entertained. In referring to the list of governors, Dr. Rendle observed that the greater portion of the 208 governors of St. Thomas's Hospital were merely honorary members, and that the really governing body resolved itself into the grand committee, which was controlled by the officials, and he then referred to the opinion formerly expressed by Mr. Tite against the removal of the hospital from its present site, end asked why that gentleman should ❑ow be so strong an advocate for the erection of the hospital elsewhere. Mr. NEWMAN:sccondcd the resolution. Mr. LEGGE suggested that the words " Surrey gardens" should be left out of the resolution. He, indeed, did not approve suggesting any particular site, as there were many other sites from which they might make a choice. There were places in the New Kent-ruad a few hundred yards from the Elephant and Castle; but his anxiety was that the hospital should be kept in the borough of South wark. Mr. BRICKNELL said the Surrey-gardens was as central a spot as could be found. Mr. VICKERS complained of the great delay that had been allowed to take place i❑ the settling of this question by the governors of St. Thomas's Hospital, and said it became the duty of the people to bring it to a close. Dr. E B. JONES observed there was no reason why St. Thomas's Hospital should have been re movsd. The railway could have been made without touching the building ; but he at the same time approved the site of Bethlem for St. Thomas's Hos pital, which, under all the circumstances, he con sidered the best plan to be adopted. Mr. FREEMAN strongly deprecated the removal of the hospital any distance from the borough of Southwark. The resolution was then put and carried unani mously. Dr. FREDERICK JONES moved— " That a deputation be appointed by this meeting to join the Committee of Parishes for the purpose of waiting upon the Governors of St. Thomas's Hos pital with a copy of the resolutions now passed, and that the deputation be instructed respectfully, but firmly, to request their most serious attention to the subject, and also a second interview, as soon as con venient, for their decision. That, if it should be deemed necessary, the deputation should also seek an interview with the governors of Bethlem, and that afterwards another public meeting should be called, if in the opinion of the Committee of Parishes it should appear desirable." He mentioned some statistics, showing that before the removal of the hospital there were 496 beds, and that now there were only 207 beds. In May, 1862, there were medical casesi admitted 66, surgical cases 23 ; but in May, 1863, there were only 16 medical cases and 10 surgical cases. Applications for ad missions had been proportionally reduced. He strongly supported the scheme for obtaining the site of Bethlem Hospital. Mr. M. GODDARD seconded the resolution,which was unanimously adopted. A vote of thanks was then passed to Dr. Rendle for the exertions he had made in carrying out the objects of the meeting, and a similar vote having been carried to the chairman the meeting separated. THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVKNING, JUNE 2, 1863. COUNTRY MARKETS. 4 , - GLOUCESTER-MAy 30. To-day there was a moderate supply of English wheat from the farmers, which sold at the extreme prices of last week. Foreign wheat in less demand, and the advance on Russian wheat checked sales. Spring corn unchanged in value. COLCHESTE: :It-MAY 30. At this corn exchange to-day there was a small show of grain, with a firm trade. Prices at fully former rates. Spring corn in small supply, but sales slow. Wheat, white. 46s 56a Beans, Mazagan .. 30s 33s red Barley . Oats .... . 20s 26s gray 35s 38s CHELMSFORD-M.kr 29. We have again to report a dull demand for English grain to-day, but a fair supply at market. Last week's prices barely maintained. Spring corn firm. Wheat, old white 30s 53s new 34s 50s old red 36s 48a new 34s 45s Barley 288 36s Chevalier 2Bs 40s Grinding. .. 22s 31s Malt. ..... 6ls 67s Chevalier . 64s 69s Oats 20s 28a Peas, Partridge 378 40s White 39s 408 Boiling .. 40s 43s Dun 35s 38s Ditto new —B —9 Beans, Tick, old 34s 390 new —s —9 Harrow Ticks 3ss 40s new —s 70 _ _ Mazagan .......30s 38e KIRKCALDY GRAIN—MAT 30. We had small supplies of oats and barley, but fair of wheat. The former was much the same in price as last w eek, while wheat had a downward tendency. Wheat. Barley. Oats. First....3Bs 6d 25s Od I 24s Od Second ..418 Od 26s Od 26s Od Third....-8 Od i—s Od Od COAL Mee of Coal per Ton a' .ARKET. the acme of the market. a. d. Buddle'aWest Hartley 15 3 Cowpen Hartley 15 3 North Pelton Gas 13 3 Wylam 16 0 Hastings Hartley l5 3 rat..l. ;cid Moor 13 0 Tantield Moor Butes l3 0 Carway and Duffryn Malting , 19 6 Walls End. 13. d. Walls End. Braddyll's Hetton l5 3 Trimdon Hartlepool 16 0 Hartlepool.. l6 0 Ships at market Haswell .. l6 6 Tunstall Ileugh Hall 15 0 South Kelloe . l6 3 Russel's Hetton 15 0 Frarawellgate.. l4 9 Harton 14 0 East Hartlepool 16 0 Wharncliffe l4 0 Trimdon Hartlepool l6 0 Caradoc l5 6 Gosforth l4 0 4,178 ; sold, 62. Foreign Mail Packet List. MAILS DUE. AuEralia and Mauritius, via Southampton. June 18. via Marseilles June 12 .drazil and Cap , Verds, by British packet. June 4. Cape of Good Hope, Ascension, and St. Helena June —. China, Penang, and Singapore, via Southampton. June 2. via Marseilles June 2. Falkland Islands Gibraltar, via Southampton June 2. India (Calcutta), and Ceylon, via Southampton June 2. via Marseilles June 12. India (Bombay), via Southampton J une 10. via Marseilles June 5. Portuga1.... Malta, Egypt, and Aden, via Southampton June 2. via Marseilles June 5. Newfoundland Oporto and Vigo ............... U. S. and British N. America, by Brit. packet.... June 4. by U.S. packet..., by ana June 5. W.C. of Africa, Madeira, and TeneCdian packet rilfe June 10 Bahamas, via New York June 4. Mexico. . June 29. All parts of West Indies, including Chili, Peru ' California. and Briti s h Columbia.. June 13. THE EASTERN FISHERIES. The catches of mackerel which have been made of late are encou raging, and fair success has already been obtained by seve ral boats connected with Great Yarmouth. The deliveries are now computed by thousands, and prices have fallen to 38s. to 40s. per 120 fish. From Lowestoft, also, a report has come to hand indicating that there are more fish on the grounds than has hitherto been the case. [AnvEnnsEmENT.]—Holloway's Ointment and Pills. Indisputable remedies for old wounds, sores, and ulcers. If used according to directions given with them, there is no wound, ulcerous sore, or bad breast, however obstinate or long standing, but will yield to their healing and curative properties. Numbers of persons who have been patients in sev,:ral of the large hospitals, and under the care of emi nent surgeons, without deriving the slightest benefit, have been thoroughly cured by Holloway's Ointment and Pills. For glandular swellings, tumours, scurvy, and diseases of the skin there is no medicine that can be used with so good an effect. In fact, in the worst forms of disease dependent upon the condition of the blood, these medicines are irre sistible. Births. BAILLIE.—On the Ist inst., at Windsor, the wife of Capt. Duncan Baillie, Royal Horse Guards, of a son. CI I APLIN.—On the 30th ult., at 50, Norfolk-square, the wife of C. W. Chaplin, Esq., of a son. FLINT.--on the Ist inst., as Bayswater, Mrs. John Flint, of a daughter. KIDD.—On the 31st ult., at Dalston, the Wife of Mr, H. Kidd, of 70, Mark-lane, of a daughter. Marriages. Ihnn—HOLLAND.--On the 30th ult., at St. Pancras, Arthur John, son of Charles llird, Esq., of Clevedon. Cottage, Gloucester-place, Regent's•park, to Louisa Charlotte, daughter of James Holland, Esq,, of 8, Osna burg-street, Regent-street. TUCKER—TYituusi.—On the 30th ult., at Hackney, Geo. Amos, the second son of the late A. C. Tucker, Esq., of Devonport and Brighton, to Susanna, third daughter of the late James Tyhurst, Esq , Surveying-General Ex aminer of Inland Revenue. Deaths. BARNET?.—On the 30th ult., Lysander Hooker Barnett, A.K.C., &c., aged 35. BRICKWOOD.—On the 30th ult., at Sutton, Surrey, James Medmore Brickwood, Esq., formerly merchant of Billiter square, aged 83. BURN.— On the 29th ult., Mr. James Burn, of the Rising Sun, Air-street, Piccadilly. COPE. —On the 30th ult., Florence, third daughter of C. W. Cope, ILA., of Kensington. FREWER.—On the 30th ult., Mr. Isaac Frewer, late of Bloomsbury, aged 72. RIGMAIDEN.—On the 31st ult, at 6, Ilarley-place, xCom mander James Rigmaiden, R.N., aged 71, R i —agOedil 7 t 7. he 31st ult., at Woolwich, J ohn Rixon, Esq., London : Printed and Published by WILLIAM ANDREWS of No. 112, Strand, Printer, at THE SUN Office, No. 112 Strand, in the Precinct of the Savoy, in the County o Mlddlefiez.—Tuesday, June 2, 1863.