The Sun. — London, England, 1830-12-15 00:00:00

R 1 PO M 1 I TiNt S. ABERDEEN. (From the Aberdeen Otserver.) On Monday a general meeting of the Members of tte Seven Incorporated Trader was held in their own Hall for the purpose of petitioning the Legislature for mentary and Burgh Reform. The Convener in the Chair. The Cn.s.taisLas said that having received a requi4itini to call a meeting on this subject, he had submitted it to the Drawls, each of whom had taken the opinion of h own trade on the propriety of having such a m etin when all the trades were favourable to the measure, ens' he had consequently called them together, and it would now lie fir those gentlemen who had prepared themselve for the occasion, to state their sentiments. Mr. Benet said that they were now met in a good cause, to do what bad been called by one of the proem Statesmen, " a strengthening of the hands of the Go vernment." This was proper; for if we asked nothiee, we might expect to receive nothing. But we must only seek for moderate things—if we seek too much we may receive nothing ; and it was well known that on former ue,,,aiiine, if we had been more moderate in our demand., and more united, and firm, and persevering, we wool. , • have succeeded in getting some Reform. But we now had every chance of gaining a moderate Reform. We had a genii and a liberal King—a better King we hail not seen fir many a day, and he had taken to his council men who had pledged themselves to Reform. These men did not avant zeal or talent, but they wanted support, and it ayes our duty, by every means in our power, to aid them and doer them on in rooting out corruption. Mr. P. TATUM& rose and said the resolutions which he would now liege the honour to submit, related to a subject of very great importance—a Reform of the representstien of the people in Parliament. The great, the principal evil experienced by the people, was the want of bein4 properly represented in the great council of the nation • the representative system was all wrong. There bad been a peat progress in political society since two bun - shred years ago ; and there was a great difference between the state of things then and now, to much that what then stii;;lit have been proper is now totally unfit. With► all the excellencies of our Constitution, its representative system was defective, the right of electing Members of Parliament having devolved, in many cases, on a few indis vidulls. to the exclusion of a very great number of pet. sorts of wealth and intelligence. Mr. Taylor then moved resolutions to the effect that the House of Commons, as at present composed, cannot be considered a fair represen. Wive of the people. These resolutions were carried amid much applause, after which the meeting separated. GOSPORT. (From the Portsmouth Herald.) In accordance with a requisition to the Magistrates of the County, signed by sixty four of the inhabitants of °overt and Alverstoke, a public meeting was held at the Star Inn, Gosport, on Thursday, to consider the propriety of strengthening the hands of his Majesty's Ministers, by petitioning the Legislature fur a Reform in Parliament, a reduetion in .the expenditure of the country, and a repeal of thou taxes which press most, heavily upon the cow. amenity. At belt-past twelve o'clock, W. GRAN; Esq. at the re-unmet etthe " meeting having' taken the chair, read the requisition, trod stated that the object of the meeting was not to enforce - any partieplar line of conduct on Ministers, hue merely , to strenathen - the hands of Government. With regent to retrenchment, many gentlemen would, no doubt, deliver their sentiments on this subject, as well as on a re peal of taxes, both of which measures he was sure were univerailly approved. Tiromes Roomettes.--I have been for many years a friend de moderate Reform, such a Reform as shall re store to us' the former , purity of our Constitution. I have never advocated, nor will I now advocate any of those wild and visionary schemes which have at various times been propoied by wild and visionary men; I will not sup port that eiystem of Reform which will give to every into, however low in society, an equal vote with those of chit.: recite and intellect ; but I will support a system very little short 4 this. It is well known to gentlemen who are well read, that the right of the people to vote was for merly muchUvereiettentive ; indeed if I mistake net, it will be fount theevery mane .had a right to take his seat in the eationel assembly. It was only in consequence of the increase of population that thii right was limited to ee p re eko a tiveg, end 'it hat-been held 'by learned men that these r e presetetatiVen Wines tribune& by' mites vested in every ciliate'. De that **Ulnae', I only wish to go back to rinse times when' the tight "pf voting - was confined to the h o useholders' i4'thw 'kingdom. The land was fur. mealy represented by the linights of the Shire—this sys tew 18 extended to the present time, excepting indeed as far as regerde two sorts of people, vie. topyholders, who were elaves or vermeils of their Lords, and it was therefore not thought tit • ian- for enele persons to vote for their bolds. But the ceipylieldereeof the praerit day are wrier different instead of being at the' will of their Lord, they are nearly ore) to freeholders. The neat chats to which I allude nil Iree.eteldere, who were then unknown to the laws of tin country. Now I consider the privilege of voting should be extended to both these classes, and surely no one will venture to eay they are WS entitled to a vote than the' forty-ebilling freeholders. The grommet grievance, however, is the confining of votes to corporate !Wive. At the time this system originated, time corporate bodies were the - only partial resident, but now the places where thkaystem was teloptid have become what they term close .6 01 - 0 ,0 0 , the property of certain great men, such as l Peers of the realm, who etre in many cafes sole proprietore, arid the own *tent to•Perliamout by these great men, are, for ewent, she represent ethers of the people. Now we con. tend that that part of the Constitution should bet restored• reptreentatien should really he what it professes to Ise. I uniteretand we are to be met to-day by a milk-and water kind of oppueition; but theme will hit a string of re(olutions brought !inward, free from all vitelenee, and as tolerate in all respects as circumstances will permit, with+ I leer - will disarm all oppomititin, and meet the, view:, of the morn moderate. M Sir, I A no advocate fie. annual Parliaments, or woivereal suffrage; but I wish to sow the.franchiltesso thrown open Aol extended, that eve y route who sae a stake in the country unity have a vote. It b eta remarked that this meeting is unnecessary, be. cause the Ministers are edema to bring in a measure of Reform themselves, and that we ought therefore to place confidence in them. But, Sir, it is to show them that we have that confidence in them, that I consider we ought " new to come forward and assure them we fully end cor dielly concur with what they are pledged to propose. The oeinioes of Lord Grey thirty-three years ago, then Mr. tiley, were the same on the subject of Reform as they are mete ; perhaps it may be interesting to some gentlemen pee , ent to hear what were the principles of that Reform which he advocated at that period. lie recommended that the number of County Members should be increased from ninety.two to one hundred and thirteen, the necessary (publication to vote tier sueh, being the possession of a free. hold, leasehold, or cepyhold ; the remaining flaw humbl] Members to be returned ley houwboldere ; to prevent ex pense, the poll to be taken in one day, and at one b o th throughout the kingdom ; this system was proposed iu order to prevent persons possessed of no !ended property, without tattoos and without industry, from obtaining seats by the influence of great men. The tame Mr. Grey is now Lord Grey, the Prime Minister of England, and as such I place the greatest confidence in him, The motion which be proposed thirty..three years. ago, was eel:muted by Mr. Ereltioe, who was at that whiteout of the tepee. sentatives returned by the Corporation of Portsmouth, and which Corporation has invariably sent two Members to Tarsi anent to vote expressly for thtowieg, open the very borough which returned them. Ilowever much gentlemeo may dieagree by the expression of their coulitynanetl I will state my opiniene fearlessly; I have alwaye been a supporter of the principles of the corporation of the borough of Ports. mouth, because I am sure it bait uniformly been their desire he encreaeu the general welfare of the cottony. The propositnos I (shall leave the honour to submit tar your approval will he founded tin the same, principle. With respeet to the outrages which have receotly been Yomniitt,,El in various parts of the mutiny, no, person can lemma them More than myself ; and nithough I LON ()Leap thinight Minitters very slow in redressing thole grievances, whieb +eve been ripteemited to th eist or prsing very severely on th e lewer classes, yet I de not exult in the vonaegriericesi which have-followed, on the contrary, I de piece the infatuminn of dime mere who think they can benefit themselves fey teeing opposition to all law, all peopiety, and ell reason. I can-wily trace the origin of their (liserees and eonst-quent ontrugus to a Want of Reform he Pat heeneut. Not thet I believe for ti moment, that Perliamentery Refiner, will (suddenly relieve us front our pres , -nt disirms, but it will ri,, so ' °ruin:illy by means of th" ' 4 ' l ' 4 of th filgo hoaetst Repreeentetivee who shell be re turned to Perliameathy the utilmoght voice of the people. It le the midiltingailetses in particular that buffer from the effects of miii-government y for by reducing the re ,,,111 rue of the mithliine cheitte by such-toe enormous burden yo u take hotel china the, memo of caving eat /nee -relent to the poorer classes. they have been silently kind p:itientiv groaning, and , gritsiu,ily verging towards , tute ~fhincstiptvy ; hut their pride. and the necessity uf t CI etit e have kept diem from giving utter. mule to their dilfres , el9, Under the hopea of better times. , 4,ltcra tioti in their situation it Owing entirely to Ali nisters having refuse 4 to yitl.l in a proper manner and time, to the expressed wishes and yoke of the country. Air. B. Goomtvic Remitted the reqolutionft. Dr. QUA RRIER—The present Ministers, pirticularly Lords Grey and Althorp, have given us the strongest pledges of changes for the national benefit. Why should ve free our sentiments upon them, when they are al ready inclined to da all they can? Will you spur the willing horse to death, or precipitate measures which re piire the utmost and most deliberate reflection. I trust 'hat the Noble Earl (Grey) has very different sentimeres non dome he entertained thirty-three years ago, when he submitted the motion to the House of Commons which ,s been now read by Mr. Hoskins, and that time and reflection may have !awned down many of those opinions .vhich were so warmly advocated at that period. I our , rjaiced to find that the mover of the resolutions does not ntertain the visionary schemes of voting by ballot, and universal suffrage. In viewing tie formation of the House of Commons, have we not a great portion of the in telligence of the country and a just representation of the property of the kingdom? Can it be believed that those .tentlemen would submit to tax themselves so heavily, were it not absolutely necessary for the s.rfety of the state. The mover of the resolutions has alluded to the reluctance 'o Reform in the Duke of Wellington, but every one will acknowledge that the Noble Duke was constantly eff,cting practical Reform and retrenchment; even upon the resig nation of the Ministry his Grace exhibited the finest ex ample of Reform, for having places and pensions fallen into the Noble Duke's disposal, to the amount of more than 5,000/. per annum, he did not fill any of them up, but left them at tire disposal of his successor ! ! No one can deplete the distresses of the labouring classes more than I do, but I cannot think RetOrm in Parliament would improve their condition. I shall not, however, detain you longer, but shall conclude by proposing as an, amendments " that this meeting do not consider it expedient or necessary to. petition the House of Lords and Commons, or to fetter the Ministers at this moment, by interfering in the measures which it may be their intens Om to adopt for the benefit of the community." Captain PURVIS, R.N., seconded the amendment. Mr. CRUICKSIIANX*I will freely, honestly, and can didly express my opinion against that system, which has its advocates, and which embraces Annual Parliaments and Universal Suffrage; and should any expression of feeling favourable to such a system manifest itself ut this meeting, I will hold up my hands to oppose it. I will never vote for a change wl.ich some people sail Reform, while they mean revolution. My Learned Friend has touched upon another subject, he has held up the borough of Portstimuth.as having pursued a course worthy of imi tatinn. I approve of the conduct of the Corporation in returning to Parliament two honourable men. nut I must, at the same time, state my conviction that the Corporation of that borough have not done all they ought to do; those who wish for reform in others, should reform themselves. The borough should have said to the inlia- bitante of Portsmouth,---we will afford in ourselves an example of that Reform which we have ever expressed ourselves willing to support, we will make you all bur gesses, and give you all a vote for your Representatives in Pal liament. I would not have it understood by this meeting that I ani un enemy to Reform ; but if Reform be necessary, let it be done moderately. As to the right of voting, I think this should not be in right of office ; but every man who has property should be allowed to have a vote for hint who is to protect his property, and who is, as it were, to be guardian of his purse and his interests. I would confine the right of voting to property alone. Were 1111irist, r, the very first act I would do, would be to re peal the duty ou houses, on windows. This would enable those among us who now pay 101., 201., SOL, or 401. a year in such taxes, to expend that amount in bettering tire condition of their labourers, and in the improvement of the lower classes. I will not now take up more of your time than to express my full satisfaction at the pledge the Itliniater has given us. I would recommend that we wait a little to ace if he will redeem his pledge ; and therefore I must support the amendment., Mr. YAMPS HOSKINS—The resolutions which have been proposed meet my fullest apprebatien. I say it with confidence and delight, some Reform must come, and speedily. Corruption has been able to stand against it and prevent it heretofore, but the voice of the people is too strong to be long stifled, and we will be re presented in Parliament.—(Cheers.) Bribery may have sent Members kn Parliament, but it can do so no more. I care not whet places may have beers improperly repre sented ; it will not be so in future. The Representatives must and will be chosen by the people. With these sen timents I must cot dielly support the resolutions. We have h a d enough of taxes ; enough of pensions and place men who do nothing. When we bee the taxes which are wrung from the industrious go to support such abomi nations, it is high time to come forward. Dr. Quaanixie said, that to whatever conclusion the meeting might come, whether they approved or &sap . proved of his propositims, he should consider it his duty, as it would also be his inclination, to yield to the wishes of the majority.—(This intimation was received with loud clot:tea.) Air. Woonac,w—aeform is the palladium of .the Cone stitutioe. Nothing short of Reform can insure to us se earity of property anti life. What if the late Premier had retrained in office ? We should have been suffering at this moment tinder the horrors if a most destructive revo• lution.—(Murinuaii end cries of no, no.) I say that those very rinks who have now tome forward to resist and re press outrage, would have renteined quiet and inactive. 1 believe that the evils which now exist, would not have existed, if Men: had been a Reform thirty or forty yeses ago. We have been (haired not to petition, because we have already a pledge of Itebarn ; but if we are to depend on the prevent Ministers, why might we not haVe depended also on the late Ministers. And as the late Ministers were driven out of office. by measures they advocated, so the measures brought forwatel by the present Itlinisters may drive them out also, unless we strengthen their hands. I think, Sir, if we lose this opportunsty, w 4 may never brave soda smother; if we remain tame and pubillanimous, we shall soon have to he tame enough under the consequences onr silence and inaction. NOW, Sir, is the tune fur a l on g pall, a strong pull, anti a pull ultogether. The CIiAIUNAN then proceeded to take the sense of the meeting tan the amendment, when it was lost on a show of hands, by a great majority. He then put tire resolutions SerialidJ, when the fret was Cilflie4 unanimously. the world being reed, Mr. CRIIICKSUANK proposed to have inserted after the words " Retrenchment in every branch of the public ex penditure," the words " consietent with the security and honour of the nation," which having hsters agreed to, this resolution was curried unenimonely. Mr. T. A. Mt/seine then rose and said, I feel bound to support the resolutions. It is isorporisible fur me to withheld the unequivocel uud eineere espressien of my conviction, that the Contemns !louse of Parliameat does not repoefent the ucople. If we go from East to West, we shall find every step we take, proofs of the usurpa tion of the rights and privileges of the people. Be ginning with Scotland, we see the eastern of burghs prevailing, to the great grievance and complaint of that milightened people at the present mosotot. En tering! Eroglend, and peaoing on lib we come to the county of Caroseell, what lamentable proofs again do we find there of uhurpetion rat' the people's rights. The county of Cornwall, Sit-, souls more Members to Parliament, tierough the borough interest, then any other enmity in England ; and these are mostly sent by the Aristocracy, through undue moms anal corruption. I need not go far for mother instance-.-tusk at the ale of t, Are there not Itoroualos there which send Mem bers tar Parliament, that are merely to be traced by cer tain nonce, with certain marks upon thew, to &hew their hingsge.teuute, Allusitio has been made to the borough of Portsmouth, by nay worthy (timid, with tail mural address, but I wholly differ from hint air this ',object.. Ile says, "if you open the horough of Purtamouth, it will only he made nature coe s eipt." Now, Sir, I say it is a reflection on the good people el Portsmouth to suppose that. At precut five Aldermen and fieVer: flf eight remittent bur geseeschuose for 60,01)0 persons. Is riot this an encroneb merit on the rights and libertiea of the subject? I might also allude to another place, Peteretield. I say that the practice of making fuggots is a disgrace to the country, and a blot in the repreaeotative system which eltoulol he wiped away. Nita I hnow from experience the truth of what I have stated about Peteretield, --(Renewed laughter. )-1 was at Peterstield shortly after the election, and inn a con erre:aims with one of the proprietors, of lend which had beet, pareelled nut and conveyed to certain parties for the purpose of enatding them to vote, he expressed his dismay for the fate of his property, us he said he observed on' the followims lamming gentlemen driving in stakes on his estate to mark their different allotmente.s...-(lsoughter.) lie began tat he 41141 whether his tenements wesuld not have been taken ~way, f only mention this fact, Sir, to . prove the neeessiey of Parliamentery Reform, for the truth is the great body of the people in this eoentry are not dilly represented. I cannot go the length which Cruieks shank ties gone by eayiog that property Mime abould govern the elective franehise. No, Sir, the repreeente tion Amit e ' be moaned mut to property idioms, but to pro pvrtreennhined with wheat rind intelligence. Mr. Min chin their eongratulated the euuntry that we bad now a foliaistry who offered us a prospect rat beast of doing all that could be done to relieve the.burthens of the people,— Ile alluded with satisfaction to the pledge just given by the ~~ Cidtaft i r of the Exchequer, that the state of the country lawn considered by a Committee of the House, and that the tame Committee which bad been appo'nted to examine into and report upon the Civil List still con tinued. Mr. Wm. PACE—I held up my hand for the amend ment. I would not, however, have it believed that I oppose Reform; I merely voted against the time at which it is proposed to petition. Admirul AusTEN—I am a decided advocate for Reform, and I rejoice at the pledges which have been given by his Majesty's Ministers; hut so far from showing a factio's spirit, 1 think we are doing an essential service to the cause, by strengthening the hands of Government by expressinn of our concurrence. . . Mr. BErrs-1 beg now to propose that the petiti,in to the House of Lords be entrusted to the Right lion. the Eat I of Carnarvon, and that the p tition to the House of Commons 1)J presented by Sir William Heathcote, anal that the Members for the borough of Portsmouth be re qursted to support the prayer of such petition. Three hearty cheers were then given for the King, three for the Queen, and three, and one cheer more, for Reform, and the meeting separated in the utmost harmony. LAW INTELLIGENCE. ROUSE OF LORDS, DEC. 14. nerrw.T. V. 30NEILL. This appeal, which occupied the House the wlole of Friday and the greater part of this morning, involved a question Scotch law, as to the liability of the appellant for accumu lated interest upon a bond granted by a Mr. Danid M'Neill, to Dr. James 111'Neill, of Stevenston. The Court of Session pronounced interlocuters, declaring the appellant liable for the payment of compound interest, and from that decision the present appeal was brought. Sir C. WITDERIELL and Mr. STEwAnT appeared for the appellants ; Mr. F. Por.cocic. and Mr. HosewrsoN, of the Scotch Bar, were Counsel for the respondents. The Loan Cuter BARON deferred giving judgment till Thursday. ROLLS COURT, SATURDAY. ITALEti V. DARELL. Mr. Bicx'maxima and Mr. GIKULESTONS appeared for the plaintiff in this cause, Edward flak:. Esq., who, by the prayer of his bill, claimed to be ent►tled, under the will of his uncle, the late Sir Edward Hales, Baronet, to have an i►mnediate settlement executed by the defendant Darell' (who is the devisee in trust under that will) of the estates devised thereby, bnt with which requisition that trustee had refused to comply. The Murree of the Ttot.t.s inquired what could possibly be alleged why such a settlement should not be now exe cuted ? Mr. Tito4c , r, who was counsel fur the defendant, urged that there were certain annuities given by the will, and that, on that account, hie client had coroidered himself bound not to comply with the requisition of the plaintiff, unless with the sanction of the Court. Mr. BICKERATETII insi4ted that the will provided fur all this, au it was therein directed that in the settlement to be executed proper uses and remedies alt , ,uld be limited and provided for securing all the annuities. The Merrita of the ROLLS concurred in this observa tion, remarking, that the defendant had been (it was quite clear) but ill advsed in opposing the execution of the set tlement, to which his Honour declared that the plaintiff was entitled, and decreed that it should be forthwith executed accordingly. lie also remarked, that Mr. Darell might very well htve taken upon himself to approve of, and execute, the settlement (as his co.trustee, Sir Richard liedinglitid had previously agreed to do) without putting the plaintiff to the necessity of instituting a suit. The Master of the Rolls further observed, that although costs were not prayed against that defendant, he would be very unwilling to give hits his costs of the suit. His Honour, therefure, allowed all parties their costs of the suit out of the Trust Eqatett, except the defendant Darell, who, he ordrred, should pay his own costs up to the hearing. An attempt has been made by the agent of Don Min trim in this country to renew the friendly inter course which subsisted between him and the Foreign Office when under the controul of the Earl of AERADEEN but we hardly need say that it has not met with success. Curt Journal. Meetings in furtherance of the great cause of Parliamentary Reform are being held in various parts of the kingdom. The counties of Exeter and Devon led the way, and the subject has been since taken up in Scotland— that hot-bed of Parliamentary corruption—in a spirit that promises to be attended with the happiest results. It is an example which should be universally followed. There can be no doubt that this question will shortly be brought forward by the new Government; suit it is the duty of the people, both to themselves and to Ministers, that the latter should he strengthened in their good purposes, by the expres lion of the public voice in favour of an effectual reform of the Representative system. The present Administration is essentielly popular, as well in its construction as in its objects. There was never a Government so unobjectionable in point of character ; and we feel a thorough conviction that that character will not be sullied by their con duct, if they are duly supported by tee country. On this much depends. The right of petition is one which should not lie confined to only one purpose, It should be used not merely as a terror and a check upon bid men and a wicked policy, but as a protection and encouragement to good Ministers and wholesome uses sores. The present appears to us to be a time peeilliarly suitable for the exercise of this invaluable privilege in the friendly sense, Nutwithetanding the disposition of the Government to bring the question to a successful issue, there are signs in the times to show that they will have to encounter an opposition over which they can only be sm. bled to triumph by an emphatic declaration of public sen timent in favour of Reform. The Duke of WELLING. TON'S violent tirade against all improvement is too recent to have been forgotten ; and the attempt made by the Duke of NEWCASTIA to wheedle Earl ()U Rl' into a post posemeet of the subject, evinces pretty clearly that those noble personages, the party to which they belutig, and their satellites, will offer a most uncompromising opposi thin to the measure. They ossert that its agitation, under present circumstances, would he attended with danger; but the Government, acting on the well-founded opinion, that danger would lie created by delay rather than by set tlement, have rightly resolved to intreduer the question at as early a period as may be comp ttible with the proper ar rangement of their plans. In this determination, we re peat, they should be imprinted by the people, whose Mi nistry they are, and whom it behoves to cheer them on ward, in A wise and virtuous course of policy, by every means in their power. Icy strengthening the hands of the Government, they would give vigour to their cause, and animation to its defender's, Against the union of the people with Ministers, no combination of corrupt p o w er an d u ndue pretension could make head for a 'tingle hour. Without such a concentration of influence and opinion, the supporters of things the they are may prevail over jus tice and right. Induced by no consideration but an anxious desire to see the institutions of the country re stored to a healthful and efficient state, by the halals of a parotid end honest Government, we recommend the people of England to invest Ministers with such a degree of moral power as twit' suffice to carry them victoriously through the great stroegla in which they are about to engage. For this purpose we sho u ld be filed to see the county of Durham stand forward, t soft which it r ied and ftassument backward proud iy a.ni i,tis s r t et a: e i p t: r e r er t it n ec: ev e ,,ne r y i t ( t (r s ,ef t e a toi n ti c al snore gloriously Ural it might do at this period. It is 110 inciples of factious ilesign which we call upon it to support, bot the cause of good government, of national right s and public justice, ell ever the world—and especiady of retrench. mint and evonotny, putil;e. prosperity and private comfort, et house. Let not the people be deceived fir misled. Their interest will be best consulted by pursuing thi;kin,elnolttoittra%u'vste-4ineetriti•oe: sums*. Those who advise them to held stand aloof, and regard in silence the efiiirts nitstry firmed have avowed t o l n iei t r iw intention to make in their behalf, are not friend; taut enemies, whose motives should be suspected The 6pirltnal k al i l : i l d t d h e e e k s t e '4 y:s rl b d cle w w ltl l le . kn b c :s w nicottin:hb6yt the a d 4t i 3 s , i i il l . u tL i t i i .. f pia tail anti hoof ; straightforwardemployedddischarge i s a seduce rg e e t ,) ftlptri le people their ierrtifir may s. ; e i , i the bid and eetil),p,e to n a sa te d r Y r e ir r yt i l l :lo a and flaairsemsitrit'll:edBle 4'h atte ' rt e o divert them by sob tilties. They may he told Reform would revolutionise the country, or that by 4 ,4 '1 111 '1 4 1'W petition they would affix a stigma on the Government, by ineittueting it to be unworthy of public ttUflttls°Ct We say again, let - not the pimple tie betrayed. Want of confidence, i s one thing —a blind confidence another. It would he no imputation on the character of airy Ministry, entrusted with the di rection of the eirairs of such it power not one G o r r ea 4 t h ß ,4o lii u t t a e in d , is t! us To petition on this t w r 1 1 1 :;, 1 but tbem yet of r a e ajee:titoa eye. ri question would he to do nothing In9re than would be prudent on the part of toe people, while it could not be otherwise than acceptable to the Governtnent, its tending en establish the necessity of that Reform which they are pledged t o o r igi na t e , and upon - which the salvation of the country, and the public weal, entirely depend,—Th a n am Chronicle. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, Dic. 14. The LORD CHAwentoa took his seat on the Wool sack shortly after Five &dock. NEGRO SLAVERY. Petitions against Negro Slavery were prevented by Lord Won; Lord WYNTORD, and the Bishop of LONDON. Sir A. GRANT, and others from the Commons, brought up the Colonial Validity Bill. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY presented a petition from St. Albans, praying for a repeal of the duty on sea-borne coal. Lord BEXLEY presented a petition from the Jews re siding in London,. praying for rel:ef from their disabilities. His Lordship concurred in the prayer of the petition. TIT H ES.' Lord KING presented a petition from Southampton, praying fur rm dress of the grievances under which the inhabitants laboured, but more especially from ti e impost of tithes. Seeing several of the heads of the church in theit places, he would take that opportunity of stating a few of his views on the subject of tithes, which otherwise he would have been unwilling to enter upon. A Reverend Prelate had last year brought before their Lordships a Bill fur the commutation of tithes, and indeed it could nut be denied that great complaints very justly existed on the subjects of tithes. It had been said by some that the tithe system worked well, that the corn laws worked well, anti that corrupt Parliaments worked well— (Hear, hear, hear)—be denied it altogether. Ile believed no doubt existed in the mind of any honest man of the injurious effects produced by the tithe system. Great differences, however, he would admit arose as to the manner in which that injury was pro duced ; some believed it to arise on account of tithes being an impost on gross produce ; some took quite a different view of the subject ; however, for his own part, he believed tithes to be a public nuisance. Under the existing circumstances nf. the stountry they were highly prejudicial to the public, because they pre vented a larger investment of capital in the cultivation of land Land had been driven out of cultivation by its prejtt. dicial effects, and been allowed to go to grass. As an example of the ill effects produced in land by this infamous system he would only mention to their Lordships that in France land of a very inferior nature to that in England was in a high state of cultivation. There, before the revolution, the tithes were not near so rigidly enforced as in England, and since that important event tithes had been abolished is that country altogether. As to a commutation of tithes at the present day it would never do, they in his (Lord K.'s) opinion must be eradicated altogether. Scotland was free from tithes, and free cultivation of land went on rapidly there. Many parts connected with the church wanted purging. He (Lord King) would abolish Deans, Chapters, and all such trumpery. He would also clear away the cumbrous lumber of golden anti of brazen prebende. The Bishops themselves were nut now the Representatives of the Clergy they formerly were ; they were like Old Sarum, and some few other places he could mention—rotten, and goad for nothing.--(Hear, hear.) The Archbishop of CANTERBURY raid that the Noble Lord had been pleased to reflect upon those who presided over the Established Church rather severely. He would not follow that course with resilient to the Noble Lord, but would only remind him that in the course of thelast Session a Bill had been withdrawn which would have obviated many of the difficulties to which the Noble Lord had alluded. He (the Archbishop of Canterbury) was in hopes that a Bill of a similar nature would be introduced after the recess, the measures of which he trusted would he satisfactory to the Noble Lord. The Bishop of LONDON said, that the Noble Lord (King) had stated, with truth, that repeated and vehe• ment attacks had of late been made upon the system of tithes. Why that sort of property should be attacked more than other property in land, which, as well as tithes, was possessed only by virtue of the lawa--(Hear)—ime (the Bishop of London) could not explain, sinless it were because the Clergy, of whom they were the property, were the weaker party. No man more than the Right Rev. Prelate could be convinced of the claims of the country in its pre sent state en time consideration of their Lordship. Ile knew, front many years' experience as a Parochial Clergy. man, that the agricultural labourers generally were suffering under great distress; which, however, was attributable not to the tithe-system, but to the unfortunate arhninistration of the Poor Lawn—( Hear)—concerning which great mil. takes had been committed. Another important cause of the distress would be found in the years of are prosperity, during which all classes, both clergy and laity, except the lower orders, had acquired habits of luxury, from which it was very difficult to descend, when the appearance of prosperity had passed away. But all those classes were now prepared to stake say arrangements which, after due deliberation, might seem likely to relieve the distress. He admitted that tithes bad been raised in the same pro. portion as rents had been raised, and he thought it reason • able that both should go on pari paszu. Every sound economist knew that tithes were really a second rent. If they should cease to be collected, their amount would go to increase the rent of the landlord. The clergy were en titled to their rent not only by immemorial usage, but by titlme.dreda, as ancient and ac legitimite as those by which the landlords theinselvea held their estates. He did not doubt that the present Reverend incumbent of the parish of Oakhsm could produce as legal proofs of his right, as the Noble Lord himself (Lord King) could produce in support of his claims to the land of that parish. He (the Bishop of London) would not assert that there were not defects iii the working of the tithe.sys. tern, although he considered the principle the best which could be acted upon • fate time support of the clergy. He could honestly repel the imputation that the tithes were collected with rigour. He knew that in few parishes the full tenth of the produce was collected, and that in many parishes not more than the one-sixth of the tenth. It had fallen to his lot to observe that in places where, from time immemorial, tithes bad been collected in kind, undisturbed harmony existed between the clergy and their parishioners; and in unfavourable weather he bad known the latter frequently carry home the rector's tenth. Ile by no means agreed with the Noble Lord that it would . be better fur th e c l ergyman to h ave a fi xe d an d i nvar i a bl e allowance, instead of one rising and falling with the rents. Had such a mode been adopted before the depreciation of the currency, what would since have been the condition of the clergy ? Many would not have possessed an income if nature than 35/. a year, and few more than 80/. So far from the truth were the shameful calumnies that hail been industriously spread abroad respecting the property of the Church, that if time value of all the ecclesiastical property which remained in the hands of the clergy were collected in one fund, and divided equally amongst the whole of the clergy, it would not afford more to each than about 3501 a year. Now he was sure that, in the present habits of society, that was not an allowance too high for oleo of the education and time learning for which time clergy were dis tinguished. Ile would say that that property might ad. mit of a better distribution, if an arrangement for that purpose could be effected consistently with respect for property, arid he would add.—though he did so with hesitation, as it might be attributed to his selfishness._. with respect for 'reared rights. Such an arrangement would preserve the Church of England, what She had hitherto ever bean, the pride of Protestant Europe, and the honour anal support of the British Constitution.— (Hoar, hear.) _ _ Lord KING denied that he had charged the Church of E r lye rigour in the ex ac ti on o f t i t h es; l of the clergy w ere en forced friqueutly with more rigour than th ose o f t h e land lords. Ile b,lieved that the clergy o f th e Ch urc h o f Eng untg he m l i i= ree that i the claims land did collect its revenues more rigorously than the clergy of any Catholic country. Ai to what the Right Reverend Prelate had said respecting the tithes going en par; passu with the rents, he must sty that rents had fallen to one-fifth from one third of the gross produco, whilst the tithe was still one -tenth. lie would ask the Right Res , . Lord what did he call going on part pains No fat mer in his senses would give the full value for land when taking it upop lease, for such was the fluctuation in the value of produce, occasioned by the Corn Laws, that he dared not bind himself to the full rent. Be the fluc tuation what it might, the revenue of the tithe-receiver was not affected, however the landowner might soft r. The Marquis of BuTE thought it but justice to the Clergy to declare, that in hi s tr ansact i ons as l an d owner w4h the receivers of tithes, he had always found the e cclesiastical proprietopi much less rigoro us th an t h e l ay improPriatore. The . , Marquis was anxi ou s f or permanent coininutanun of the tithes, so arranged tha. the Clergy might be preserved from the injurious collision of interests with their pari s hi oners w hi c h sometimes took petition was ordered to lie on the ta 1 1:!. DUTY ON SEA-BORNE COALS. Th e 1.7, 4 11 of sll4vTEssllny pr'esenttd a petition f rom Dslkeith, praying for 4 reduction of the duty on Sea. borne Guile Lord WHARNCLIFFE presented a similar petition f rom inhabitants Of Loudon. That subject bad come be fore their .Lordships in two successive Sessions, and a G m ,,„itt ee of the House of Commons hsd been occupied with it. He was desirous to pros upon his Majesty's Government, that if they found themselves enabled to di- Miuish .iny part of the 'public burdens, the tales of which th e petitioners colnplained,especially merit e d t h e i r conse deration. He would not hesitate to say, that no other taxoti were more unjust is principle, Or mote mischievous '• r in operation. They enhanced the value of an universal necessary of life to the counties, which, being most die: tent from the place of its production, would receive it with greater difficalty and at heavier expellee than those counties which are altogether exempt from that tax, to which they were subjected, and which to them amounted almost to a prohibition from the use of that neceA. eery. The characteristics of those duties were, that they were taxes upon industry—and upon a necessary of life—and at the same time unequal and parti 41 in their pressure. He did not know by what principle their im position had been regulated. Perhaps it was for the purpose of enabling the English to compete with the Scotch collieries, that coals to any part of Scotland were comparatively exempt from the duty, whilst those to any part of the eastern ceatt of England paid six shil lings a ton. Coals carried to Ireland paid much less than Vacate which were conveyed to the western and southern parts of England ; and Wales seemed to be equally favoured. He could not explain the principles on which these arrangements had been made. It had been said, that if those duties were taken off, the public would gain nothing, and the amount woul.f go into the pockets of the coal-owners. But of that there could be no danger, the competition of the coal-owners themselves would prevent that. With regard to what had been said respecting the combination of coal-owners to keep up the prices, the Noble Lord explained that they took care to ascertain the ex tent of the demand in the southern counties, and to regu late the supply to that demand. Such an arrangement was necessary for the protection of the proprietors of the lesser collieries, the produce of which was as important to the southern market as was diet of the great collieries. The proprietors of those collieries had offered to farm the duties of the Government, or to pay a rent out of their own 'pockets equal to the amount of the taxes. That proposal had been laid aside, from a variety of objections. One great objection to those imposts was, the excessive de lay which they occasioned on the transmission of coals. Front the time that coals arrive in the pool until they reached the house of the consumer, the dues exacted ex ceeded their cost to the moment when they were put into the ship. The original cost per cheldron was thirteen shil lings, the freight to London about ten or twelve ; and the various expenses after their arrival in London amounted to twenty4ix shillings. Though he was far from wishing to call upon Ministers to express a decided opinion, yet he should be happy to hear from them that they were not unmindful of this, among other burdens upon the people. The petition was then brought up and read. It was from the Lord Mayor and Corporation of London. Earl GREY said, that his opinions were, perhaps, not materially diff, rent front these of the Noble Lord, but in the short interval since he had taken office it bad not been pos sible for him to advert, in detail, to the subject. That it well deserved consideration, he was of all men the least likely to deny ; for, although he hail himself no property in seals, he had connections who were deeply engaged in them, and he was acquainted with many of the agents in the coal districts. Be believed that the revenue derived from coals was not less than 800,000/. er 900,000/. a year—a sum not easily to be spared ; and applications had been already made to him for the repeal of other taxes, the operation of which was considered net less injurious. He should be happy if he could at once propose the repeal of the duty on coals, but such a step could certainly not be taken witriont first taking into view all the facts, and the general taxation of the country. It was impossible for him to give a pledge beyond this—that, as the question de served serious consideration, it should receive it. The petition was then laid upon the table. The LORD CHANCELLOR brought in a Bill for amending the Law relating to the Sale of Agricultural Produce in open market in Scotland. The Noble Lord observed, that hit wish was to attract the attention of the agriculturists of Scotland to the subject in the first in stance ; he should, therefore, move merely that the Bill be read a first time and printed, in order that it might be circulated, and lie over until after the approaching recess. TRADE IN LEAD. The Marquis of CLEVELAND moved for returns of the quantity of Lead and Lead Ore imported and exported into and from Great Britain and Ireland, Goth January 1, 1829, to January 1, 1830, with the total amount of duty paid, and other particulars. Lord AUCKLAND consented, and expressed his regret that the districts engaged in the production and manufac ture of lead were so severely distressed. BISHOPS' COURTS IN IRELAND. On the motion of Lord GIZNOALL, returns were or dared of the number of Bishops' Courts in Ireland, the number of Suits in them, and the costs of those Seim-- Adjourned. ROUSE OF COMMONS, DEC 14. EVESHAM ELECTION. Mr. Dyson brought up the evidence taken before the Committee on this eledion. Mr. W. DUNCOMBE moved that the evidence be printed, as no doubt the report of the Committee would be followed up by a motion to disfranchise the borough, which presented one whole mass of bribery and corrup tion. lie was sure, therefore, that the public would not in such a case grudge the expence of printing. The Marqui► of CHANDOS said, it was his intention to move that the writ which had been ordered for the borough be for a time suspended. The SPEAKER raid such a course had never been pursued since tie passing of the Grenville Aet. Since that period the Rouse bad never interfered to suspend a writ which it bad once ordered to issue. Mr. WELLS denied there was any proof that the whole of the inhakitante had been guilty of bribery and corruption. Mr. ELI.ICE thought the Noble Marquis should have given notice of his motion to suspend the writ. Mr. Alderman THOMPSON was surprised to hear of such an objection from such a quarter. The new Govern ment professed to be favourable to Parliamentary Reform and yet the Secretary of the Treasury; when a motion was about to be made to suspend a writ for the porpoise of ascertaining the corruption of a borough, started a tech nical difficulty. He (Mr. Thompson) could not conceive that any difficulty would arise from cusp tiding the writ. Mr. ELLICE expitined. Ili* only reoson for wishing the Noble Lord to give notice was, that Hon. Members who generally took part in ►nch discussions might have an opportunity of knowing that such a subject was coming under the consideration of the House. After a few words from Mr. Burd.r.a, Mr. F. BARING, and Lord G. LENNOX, Mr. CLIVE said, that out of 426 voters in the ho rough, bribery had only been proved against 22 ; although, from public report, they all certainly had participated in it. It was not, however, his intention to advise any fut. titer proceedings. He did not think it would be right to punish the whole borough for the delinquencies of a few. The SPEAKER here said the present discussion was somewhat irregular. The question before the Hours re• fated simply to the printing of the evidence. The Noble Lord had, however, intinnted that it was his intention to move for a suspension of the writ. Now whether the writ was to be suspended or superseded, that was not the proper time to discuss it, us the further consideration of the re port was fired for Thursday. It would therefore, per haps, be better if the Noble Lord would give notice of his intention to move for a suspension or a super:whits on that day. The Marquis of CHANDOS then withdrew his motion, and gave notice of it for Thursday next, after which, on the motion of Mr. Dusicouna, the evidence was ordered to be printed. STANFORD PETITION. Mr. MATIERLY wished his ilon.l?eiend (Mr. Ten nyson), who hid given notice of his intention to pre. sent a petition complaining of the undue interference of the Marquis of Exeter, in returning Members for that borough, would, on account of public business, postpone it till after the holidays. lie more particularly wished this, as it was probable an arrangement might be effected between the. Noble Lord and his tenants, to whun2 he had given notice of discharge. Mr. TENNYSON said that the petition was of such great importance that he felt great difficulty in consenting to its postponement, As, however, it appeared probable that the Noble Marquis would withdraw his notices of die chatge, out of courtesy to him and the Hun. Member for Abingdon, he would consent to postpone its presentation till after the recess. General GASGOIGNE complained that there should he so twit conversation on presenting petitions, public business could never he got through. Sir J. Gaatram, and another Member, took the oaths and their seats. The Sheriffs of London presented a petition froth the I.ord Mayor, Aldermen, and Common Council of the City Of London, praying fur a repeal of the duty on Ceals...— The prayer of the petition was supported by Aldermen WOOll, 'W4lthinan, and Thompson, Mr. Ward, Mr. Briscoe, - Sir R. Wilson, Mr. name, Mr. Nobhouse, Mr. Warburton, Mr. Prankland Lewis, Sit- R. Ferguson, Mr. Caicraft, and Sir M. W. Ridley. It was afterwards, on the motion of Mr. Alden:nth Wool), ordered to be printed. Lord KILLEEN presented several petitions from the trades in Dublin, praying for a repeal of the'unios. Petitions 4041 the Track Iletetn were presented front Stourbridge by Colonel LYQON ; from Dudley and Wigau by Mr. PArtitlqj from East Leigh by Mr. CAMPBELL : S =J I from two planes in Denbigh by Mr. ]Flax*; (reit? Tydvil, avid from Dudley, by Mr. Alderman W.ltt • CORPORATION FUNDS. Mr. EVANS gave notice that ou the 17th of IVISFY he should bring in a Bill for the purpose,sflitelliteir the appropriation of Corporation Pundit towards figfeltdlf the expenses of elections of Members of Perfiturfeeo 1 1 ' Mr. LEADER presented a petitien,frotA Jowl complaining of the monopoly exercised, by th, WO: in cauaiug Members to be returned for ;bat bermigiloit Mr. O'Courrxt.t. supported the prayer of tbapetidge. Mr. O'CONNELL paid a question bad been 40 another place respecting the retirement of the Lo riSt Baron of the Exchequer, • the answer' to, that WS was to him any thing but satisfactory. Theo pri Chief Baron had attained a very advanced elfesna, age was a fault, but it certainly was a very great OP tone, and he thought that House ought not te be sae atitions in its revereneefor the juridical offiFeol4l we that age rendered the party incapable of r i perfstey functions. If the question he was about talsik answered satisfactorily, he should move ac humble[ to hi. Majesty on the subject. He wished tikllo' thee Sir W. Alexander, the present Chief Batt about to resign. I.erd ALTHORP—Ido not know that theCitit is about to resign; but I may say I believe be ill Messengers from the Lords brought downseyert Bills. Mr. LITTLETON presented three petition the Truck System,—two from districts -1a the Stafford, and one from Nottiagbatn. The Hon then said, that according to the rules pf, was the time for comrnening public business. • first order of the day was a motion ou the Tru he thought it would be better to postpone it petitions bad been presented. Lord ALTHORP thought when Atty..toti portance was coming forward, it "Mild twit strictly enforce the rule of prootradiet 'to b ul d o'clock, as it would appear likcihitifn against the petitions of the pa 0 14 14 bet" he petitions were presented after that WA' would refrain from observations on .llweeil the queetioa to which they referred raalibi l° On such an understan d ing he tehoeld-ettel consent to an arrangement. • A number of petitions What , thaltei then piesentecl, amongst which:lW "gin ' TESLEY, signed by upward* of:10, 0 0" the Potteries. WAYS AND MEANS. Lord ALTHORP requested the"pe r Hon. Member fur Stafford, to move' the for bringing up the Report of the Comm Means. It would not tend to any diem Sir A. GRANT brought up the Re, mittee of Ways and Means. The Irish Magistracy Bill was read t ordered to be committed to-morrow. THE TRUCIC,SYSTI Mr. LITTLETON said that it wets tisfaction to him, that after the dies, taken pixie last year, owing to the at the session, he had at length as el leave to do away with the mischief* km. At the same time he much rd so materially affecting the millet t 1 trade of the country, bad not fallen hand,. It might happen that sow in the remote and more agricultural were not acquainted with the bee as to form an opinion of its evil t some time the . stobject was so DC been so frequently discussed —Au I and its dangers were so imminev gentlemen would defer somewhat who, by living in the districts st operation, had more competent tn , on the subject. The facts that he not be confined to any particular suit of a pretty extensive acquai ev ßill, as, unfortunately, its mu sire enough to have gi ven rise did ery nor irotteonfdthtois island. —hie tnclteh sai hit system. Though for the la st had been something of this • population of this country, 3 last one hundred and 'thy?' that abaracter which hila chief which they now saw.late to oldish* attestiow o f nature of thie system- •!e goods a provisions instead ied on by ' which it was carr I money for their w a g es, ticl or, in other instaa rea, Pt lowed to the mecha nic or that they most st ood it o :kin s t ance s money was very r stOenre: se up &large shop rid fur their wo e all, in point of fact ; ft evade the law, gave mono they quitted the premiss The ships of which he some relative or servant pose ; or when the trad suttee on his own a , with the retailer, count. But the me greater his advantage enabled to stock his pay for that stoc) months ; so that, iv money, he was obtain mean to assert that the ntastera; but it a man discharged fin be taken in by an: seemed almost natio known that a man to this mode of pa master, Rho pia i employment. 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