The Sun. — London, England, 1863-05-01 00:00:00

IT PERIAL P. HOUSE OF LORDS.--Last Evening, The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack at the übual hour. POLAND. The Earl of SHAFIE . 3IA7RY sad in consequence of the non-receipt or some desparcues from St. Petersburg he should postpone pvsentir.2 the petition entru6ted to him by the citizens or London until Fr:day next, the Bth of May. be bore in mind that no Inas of life had been reported on board the vessels, notwithstanding the tremendous fire they i had ken excosed to. The Duke of SOMERSET thouzht they had been too far off to do much mischief. The town was five or six miles distant according to the map, and within 50 t or 600 yards of those forts would have been a very disagneable position for any vessel to have remained in while shelling the town. Their lordships then adjourned. 1 HOUSE OF COMMONS—Last Evening. The SPEAKER took the chair at the usual hour. THIRD READINGS. The following bills were read a third time :—London. Tilbury, and Southend Railway and Mersey Docks and Harbour. The Skipton Gas Bill was considered and ordered to be read t. third time. PETITIONS. Petitions were presented by Sir H. STRACEY, from the Governors of -, iiddlesex Hospital, against the imposition of the ncorne tax on charitable institutions; an lox. MEMBER, froni the London Hospital, to tha like effect ; an HON. MEMBER, Haverfordwest, against the amalgama tion or the City police. Sir DE L. EVANS, the vestry of St. M. , rtin's, Mr. Cox, Finsbury, Mr. liisiicrcaEtlLL- HucEssEN, `'andwich, to the 1 , 1(p effect; Mr. BRIGHT, Birwi.,ghsin, fora reduction of the fire insurance du , y, and Manchester, in favour of closing public-houses on the Sabbath ; Mr PEASE, from the women of Stockport, to the like effect ; Sir F. CROSSLEY, West Riding of York shire, to the same effect ; Mr Cox, Finsbury, in favour of marriage with a deceased wile's sister; Mr. HENNESSY, in favour of the indspendence of Poland. STAMPS ON DELIVERY ORDERS. Mr, BASS asked the Chancellor or the Exchequer whether he would state the amount or computed amount of revenue which has been derived from stamps on delivery orders ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explained the mode of lavying the tax, and said the estimated amount was £40,000. HOMES FOR WIVES AND CHILDREN OF SAILORS. PRIVATE BUSINESS The Inverness and Perth Junction ~ Railway, West Hartlepool Harbon- and Railway, Peterborough Cattle Marker 3, Rixtm and Warburtrn Bridge, and Nottingham Gl,ts Bills were read a second time. THIRD READINGS. The Caledoni-m Railway (Bredesholm Deviation), Scar borou;th Water, Inverness and Aberd , en Junction Rail way, Cleveland Railway, and Rugby Water Bills were read time aid passed. THE WAR IN AMERICA. TAE SEIZURE OF MAIL BAGS. Earl RUSSELL said as the question of the Peterhoff and the detention of her Majesty's mails h .d been the sub ject of discussion in the house the other evening, it might be convenient if he stated the substance of some informs • tion he had received that day from Lord Lyous. Lord Lyons states that in answer to his a pplication with respect to the Peterhoff and her cargo, that the Arn , _riean Govern- ment had determined to send her before the Prize Court. With regard to the m , il b ►ga sent by her Majesty's Post- 1 master-General, in conformity with the letter of October 31, th‘y would be sent forward to their destination, and in any similar case he should proceed in the same course until some agreement had been arrived at between her Majesty's Postmaster-General and the United States Government. He did not think the law of nations laid d ,wn any precise rule with regard to the somewhat novel practice of forward ing mails by private ships, and therefore Mr Seward wished to make some communication to herM jesty's Government. He could not state what that communication would be, be cause it would be matter for further consideration. Lord CHELMSFORD asked it he understood the noble earl to say that the mails would be forwarded without breaking the seals Earl RUSSELL said the noble lord had heard him cor rectly, and when the communication had been received from the American Government by her Majesty's Govern ment, they would first consider the answer, and what other steps were to be taken in the matter, Mr. ADDINGTON asked the Secretary to the Admi ralty, whether in the naval barracks now building, and ordered to be built at the different dockyards, provision would be made for the accommodation of the wives and children of sailors, in the same manner as existed at present for the families of soldiers in military barracks. Lord C. PAGET explained that the matter had been very carefully considered by the Admiralty, and they had come to the conclusion that it would not be advisable that they should construct naval barracks, with a view to the accommodation of the wives and children of Bailin. These barracks were very different to military barracks. Soldiers went with their wives and families from one barracks to another ; but when a sailor, who was temporarily lodged in the naval barracks, went to sea, his wife and children would years. have to be turned out, if previously admitted, which would Lard LYVE DEN remarked that some of the clauses in the bill were of a ver y novel character, and s eeme d t o be be a very painful circumstance. The Admi ra lty wou ld framed upon the aseump t i n that the honest and re s pect- not lose sight of the suggestion made with res p ec t t o th e a ble voter, in a borough were respon s ibl e f or t h e acts o f education of sailors' children. the rascally and disreentable s ect i on . H e would not LUNATICS IN IRELAND. , Mr. M'EVOY asked the Chi f Secretary for Ireland e h o wever, oppose the bill, b ecause h e really did not be- Help , it matter d one far t h' ng w h et h er i t passed or not. It whether the Government would thi s sess i on i n t ro d uce a bill to extend to Ireland such p rov i s i ons o f th e A ct 16 an d wee evidently a mere att empt as a salve for the troubled conscience of the Le g i s l a t ure, w hi c h prete - d ed to b e do i ng 17 Vic., c. 97, as would enabl e mag i s t ra t es t o comm i t dan erons lunatics direct to asyl ums i ns t ea d o f to county gao l s sometneng or import a n ce viry act i ve y, whin i n real i ty it e g was doing whiz gat all. W e r e it s i ncere ly d es i re d t o s top as how. bribery, ni•asures of a m u ch more e ff ectua l c h arac t er might Sir R. PEEL expl a i ne d th a t new gao l s were b u ildi ng easily be suggest e d an d a d op t e d . E ven if i t cou ld not b e which would afford the r equi s it e a c c ommo d a ti on , wnen th e altogether put d own , it m i g ht b e very sens ibl y diminished law, as suggested, would b e a lt ere d. by a much mor e summary process than the bill provided. SCHOOL OF NAVAL ARCHITECTURE. N o public pr os ec u t or wa s a ppoi n t e l ; and, however notcri- Sir J. PAKINGTON as k e d t h e S ecretary to t h e Admi ens the corruption might be, there was nobody to take up ralty, whether the board had con s id e r e d th e necess it y o f a revival of a school of naval architecture ; and whether, the question but the defeated candidate, and he had no me in the event of such an institution being established on a tive to come forward, b. cause, although he might suceeed in unseating his opponent, he did not thereby seat himself. basis approved by the Board, they would be disposed to ex- He had consequenny very little and cement to interfere. tend to it encouragement and support. Moreover, the gentleman who committed the bribery suf- Lord C. PAGET replied that the Admiralty was d eep l y fared no punishment, even if he lost his seat. He lost no impressed with the absolute necessity th a t ex i s t e d f or t h e social position, nor even the prospect of advancement in the revival of a school of naval arc hit ecture. Any proposals state, or a seat for POMP other pines. All that might be made with that view would rece i ve f avoura bl e considera• very easily remedied. When in the other house he (Lord tion from the Admiralty. Th e su bj ect was under consi " ann. Lyvenen) had stood eleven contests, the first of which cost " e him £4,000, and the last towing to the vigorous conduct of COLONIAL BISHOPRICS AND THE IRISH his committee) only £4OO. He regretted to say that he did CLERGY Mr. LEFROY asked th e Under Secretary of State for not think the measure proposed would have the slightest the Colonies if any of the five colonial bishoprics which had effect in the world in arresting the system of bribery which been vacant had been offered to any of the Irish clergy ? seemed to pervade the whole country. lb r. C. FORTESCUE explained the nature of these Lord VERULAM said he would not oppose the bill, vacancies. He had heard it said thee Lancashire, which though he thought it was wrong and ineffective. has as large a population as Ireland, had never had any of Earl GREY thought it was the most absurd piece of her clergymen selected to fill colonial bishoprics. (Laughter.) legislation ever presented to the house, if its real object was One Irish clergyman had been already selected to fill one to put an end to bribery. What was most important of the vacancies, and doubtless the noble lord at the head of was, to stop the present system of " agents," which was the Government would be glad to appoint eligible candidates simply a disguise for gross bribery. Those agents were from the Irish clergy as vacancies occurred. (Hear, and appointed nominally for the se-vice of the electi. n, but, in laughter.) fact, as a mere blind for paying them for their v rtes, SEIZURE OF THE ALEXANDRA. and, as had been proved before the committee in the e , Id reply to Mr. HITESIDE House of Commons, it waa the most effective method of The AT TORNEY•GENERAL said that he was unable bribery in existence. Bribery, however, could never be to state when the question would come on for trial. put down by Act of Parliament. So long as there was CHICORY. one set of men determined to be bribed, and another deter- e In. reply to Sir conneeronoN, mined to bribe them, no legislation could step the evil. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explained Earl RUSSELL thought that, though the bill might not that the course pursued was the same as on former occa be an effectual bar to bribery, it might check the disposition sions. The duty would be levied by resolution, and imposed to bribe; and if any clause sh uld be considered objection so soon as it received the sanction of the house. able, it could be altered in committee. THE GALWAY CONTRACT. The Earl of DERBY hoped that, as some of the clauses In reply to Lotd Di:MULLIN, were both novel and important, the bill would not be hastily Mr. PEEL stated that the details of this contract had sent into committee. not been finally settled. The bill waa then read a seemed time. C ARLTON-TERRACE. HARES (IRELAND) BILL—INCLOSURE BILL. Mr. LOCKE asked the First Commissioner of Works These bills were read a second time. whether he intended to complete Carlton-house-terrace upon FOR'r IFICATION S AT SPITHEAD, the vacant ground where the Riding School stood ; and The Earl of HARDWICKE rose to ask a question with regard to the continuation of the works on the forts at Spit- also whether he would p ro p ose, d ur i ng t h e present sess i on, head. The session before last considerable sums of money the continuation of the c arr i age - way f rom t h e M a ll i n St . had beeen pia. ed at the disposal of the crown for the put- James's•park to Ch a ri ng - cross ? pose o f strengthening the fortifications of the United Ki ng - Mr. CO WPER r e pli e d th a t t h e t err ice wou ld b e con dom. Amongst other ye irks of importance commenced last tinned in the vacant grou n d, an d l eases h a d already been year were the works at Spithead, for the defence of the en- granted by the Crown. It was no t hi s i n t en ti on t hi s year trance to the channel at that place. After the Govern- to prepare a new carriage wa y. Th e comm i ttee, i t was true, hay reported in favou r o f i t , b ut om i tte d to i nd i cate how went had expended a large sum of money in nearly corn_ pleting the foundations of those works consid e r able doubt the expense was to be d e f raye d . As some houses would have to be taken down, great expense woul d , of course, have iu the public mind as to the efficienc y of those fortifi cations, and after some discussion Gove r nment g a ve way, to be incurred and suspended the works for the present. The money THE WAR, IN AMERICA. thus literally sunk under water was not far short of THE MAIL BAGS OF THE FETERHOFF. £lOO,OOO. But within the last month an event had taken Mr. FOSTER desired to ask the Under Secretary of place on the other side of the water, namely, in the port State for Foreign Affairs if he was correct in the surmise of Charleston, which had awakened the public mind, that satisfactory information had been received this after and also induced him to take that opportunity of asking noon from Ametica with respect to the mail bags of the her Majesty's Government what were their intentions Peterhoff. with regard to the future procedure of the works in sues- Mr. LAYARD—I have to state that to-day a very satia tion. The theory had been from the most ancient times that factory despatch has been received at the Foreign-office the fortress always had an advantage over ships. He could from Lord Lyons. It states that Mr. Seward had directed state a number of instances where that had been proved, of that the mail bags of the Peterhoff should be sent to their which a few would be sufficient. The noble earl then briefly destination without being opened. (Hear.) referred to the case of the Pompey in 1809, commanded by CUSTOMS AND INLAND REVENUE BILL. Sir Sidney Smith, which had been beaten off by the single The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the gun of a martello tower ; to the attack on Copenhagen, second reading. when the fleet would doubtless have been destroyed had it Lord R. CECIL sa id th a t it was propose d b y sect i on 3 continued ; to Algiers, where the ships were thoroughly of the said bill to i mpose a new charge upon the people, beaten off, with the l oss o f 1,000 men ; and to the proceed but that the said proposal had not been referred to a com ings in the Black Sea. He maintained that the question as between forts and ships wan now pract i ca ll y se ttl e d, and mitlee of the whole hou se , as th e custom an d order the similarity between the defences o f Ch ar l es t on an d Spit- of the house required ; a n d h e move d that the order for reading the said bill a sec on d ti me b e dis head was very rem arkable . lie wished, therefore, to know charged. He said he should not have persevered with his what the Government intended to do, because if the works were to be proceeded with, it was im p or tant not to let the motioa, but addressed himself to that portio n o f t h e Budget which proposed to tax charities ; seeing that it summer season go by in idleness. H the summer were toe Budget act so unjustly, he was satisfied the House of Corn very large outlay would be required the followin g year to mans would never consent to adopt it. He stigmatised tee put the works in only their present condition. He was re eagerness with which the right hon, gentleman was pressing luctant to offer any opinion as to the wa the money should on his Budget. be expended, but it was his own impression y that a fort neSwirtalix.oWf th lL is L o O t) j U ec G ti ll on ß ab Y le ob n j a e t c u t r e e l . to the imposition of a should be erected on the Brambles, ashoal at the head of the Southampton water, from which central position the Sir F. CROSSLEY was satisfied the House of Commons would never agree to perpetuate so much injustice as to -ax guns could re ich the -bore in each direction, an thus form a complete defence for the port. the revenues of charitable institutions, which the Legiela- The Duke of SOMERSET said the works had not been turn had ever been careful to exempt, as much as possible abandoned, but simply suspended. It had been considered from taxation. that where there was any doubt as to their efficiency it Mr. HUBBARD spoke w i t h respect to the income tax would be as well t o pause. The expense, however, had not part of the budget, and characterised the new scheme as been so large as the noble earl supposed. Up to the 31st of 1 inconsistent. The Chancellor of the Exchequer could adopt July, 1862, it had been but £53,000, and subsequent events no more satisfactory mode with refe rence to the income tax had shown that a more f avourable spot for the experiment could not have been s e l ected. The distance between our than to consolidate all t h e sta tutes upon the subject, p l ace forts at No Man's Land and the sandbanks was exactly them on the table, and take the decision of t h e house upon . 2 , 000 yards, and th e di s t ance from Fort Sumter to Fort them. The hon. member expressed his satisf ac ti on with the Moultrie was exactly 2,000 yards. I n both places there was i proposal of the Chancellor of the Exche quer to reduce the a strong current and tide, and in b o th t h ere were certain facilities for approaching within a cert a i n di stance of the I in n eo co m m e estatrxomo n industrial sources; but as re garded incomes fort. In case of an attack the means of defence would be pre- from realised property, cisely the same, and therefore a more suitable pl ace could not in applyin g th e same principle he said the o g of reduction r r e i du li c t on ti h oht . n, o g t e h n o t m le , m v a io. have been chosen. With regard to the vessels the result fated an essential principle of taxation, for he was corn was not in all respects equally satisfactory. About font.- mencing a graduated system. The concession of £6O upon teen months ago the world was informed that the American fixed incomes from £lOO to £2.01, was not warranted by any Government had built an iron-clad ship, which they had a jeep ed principle of political economy, or of sound legisla named the Monitor as a warning to the British Admiralty, man The right hon. gentleman had introduced a graduated It had been a warning, certainly, seeing that the first gale schemeof assessment which appeared to him to . be exceed ittoglY dangerous, and which might lead to all kinds of diffi got caught in, it went to the bottom. They then built cuities, and , gentleman i hi w mae aul u d de ha pr v e e cate th d e o e f tt s e e c t t ti w n hi c c i h ass th a e ga r i i n g s h t right bon. some other vessels of the same description, but they had not Passing to another been built of sufficient strength to render the recent experi portion ' of the sc g heme, he came to a vent entirely conclusive. Very little, too, was known about • • . . tit of owder used, and several principle in which be could not concur, provided no ques the sort of guns or the quan nt to y be ri known before a sound tion should arise as to mere definitions, namely, that of a other matters veryuniform tax upon incomes. But what were incomes fit the rents of lards and houses, the productive earnings of indus theyjudgment could he arrived at. So far as those particular purposes of taxation? There were incomes from the gross try, and the repayment of money lent. Were these sources vessels, however, were concerned, there could be no doubt of income to be taxed alike ? It they were classed diffe had been completely defeated.. With respect to the further regress of the fortifications, the Government would . shortly have if they to lay before Parliament a scheme showing rently, why should he subject them to a uniform tax; and if they were not classed differently why remit the tax upon what was proposed to be done; because, important not to lot the of course, upon were to be continued, it would be th a t portion of a man's income which represented the pre. mina's upon his life policy ? He hoped the right hon. summer go over. gentleman would favour them with some explanations The Earl of DER BY said it appeared that the spot where t that point. the chief damage was done by the concentratedsoo. fire was no eo much as '2,000 yards, but from 300 to Mr. CLAY said he wished to call the attention of the right hon. gentleman to a case of peculiar injustice with The Duke of SOMERSET said from the chart it seemed that th e nearest vessel was about 600 yar d s from the guns respect to the proposition affecting charities. Wh en th e of the forts; 2,000 yards was the distance across between Harbour Dues and Passing Tolls Act was introduc e d b y the forts. Earl GREY thought that the town of Charleston was s i x the right hart. gentleman the President of the Board of Trade, affecting the interests of the Trinity House and or seven miles bah nd the ports. If a fleet of similar vessels other analogous corporations who received dues h on shi were to get as near to the forts at Sthead they would be ping, there was a great deal of discussion, sell resul te d t enabled to shell Portsmouth and the arsenal; and it should in a compromise afterwards sanctioned by Parliament; DRAINAGE OF LAND (IRELAND) BILL. This bill was read a third t'tn - and pa,sed. CORRUP I: PRACTICES AT ELECTIONS BILL, Earl RUSSELL moved the swcond reading of this bill, Lord RE LIES OALE obiected to one of the provisions of the measure, which gave the House of Commons the power of suspending a writ, under certain conditions, for five TIIE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING. MAY 1, 1863. the object of the compromise being that he corporations in question, seven in number, should con inue to rt ceive the differential dues and duties on shipping for such a term of years as would enable them to lay 13 , 1 a surplus I sufficient to maintain their charities then existing. The period of expiration of the longest of these le4ses was 1872. The institution in which he was himself most in• terested was the Trinity House of Hull, and that institu tion would cease to receive its differential dues and duties on shipping in the year 1872. The calculation was a close one, but the result of it showed that at the expiration of Vie period there would be a sufficient surplus to maintain the existing charities. If the right hon. gentleman came down upon the surplus to the extent of £550 a year, it would he insufficient to meet the requirements of the charities. If the proposhion were persevered in, he hoped the right hon. gentleman would make an excep tion in favour of these dues. Sir J. FERO U - SON said he hoped the Chancellor of the Exchequer, in making the statement he had promised with re- pect to the extension of the income tax to chari ties, would give the House more detailed information as to the institutions which would probably be affected by it. Mr. BAINE 7 said, though approving of the budget as a whole, he could not give his consent to the proposal for taxing charities. The LORD MAYOR disapproved of the extension of the income tax to charities, remarking th.tt its practical eff,ct wo .Id be to deprive the several charities of the means of doing good equal to the extent of the tax to be Mr. BASS would be glad to know on wt at principle it was proposed to retain the tax on delivery orders. The CHANCELLOR of the k.X..:HEQUER said that there was no " omnibus" bill on the table of the house; he feared he would be obliged to make au omnibus speech after the discussion which had taken place. He would therefore endeavour to satisfy the minds of the hon. members who had spoken, with respect to their comments and questions, and the house would excuse him if he did so with as much faithfulness as he was able. To begin with the noble lord who commenced this deba e, he was sorry to be obliged t., ex press dissent from the statements which had been made by him ; except with regara to the general dictum very properly laid cown, that it was the duty of the house to bestow great attention upon every financ al proposition submitted to it. The noble lord said the measure could not be persevered in, because the word used in the resolution was " chargeable," in stead of " charged." The noble krd was entirely wrong, and the distinction between those wards had nothing to do with the question. If the noble lord had taken pains to attend to the meaning of the technical language which was necessary in a financial measure, he would have found that wha< he thought was not cnarged was charged. The charge of the duty, in technical language, was a prior operation, which was made according to law, and applied to property in cha rities as well as to every other description of property. The noble lord stated that there was a certain proportion of pro perty exempted altogether; but to that he should answer tL•at the exemption was not made according to law, but was done at the discretion of the !executive Government, from the almost hopeless task of bringing very small properties under the charge. He might here say that he agreed with the noble lord that it was not desirable ho should anticipate the statement on the subject of charities which h, had to make to the house on the part of the Government ; but at the same time he was bound to say that the statements of the noble lord were so wild in their nature, that he was obliged to take noti:•e of the exaggeration which pervaded them. Among other things, the noble lord said the effect of the proposition would be to discharge some hundreds of in mates from St Bartholomew's Hospital. Had the noble lord ascertained the cost of patients itt the London hospitals, and the burden which would he cast by this proposal on St. Bartholomew's Hospital ? He would show what the nature of that burden was. He could not speak minutely or pre cisely, because his knowledge of the cost of cases in the hos • pitals was only derived from statistical documents. The cost of an in-patient in the London hospitals generally was £25 a year; the cost in St. Bartholomew's was perhaps a little higher ; but the noble lord would probably set him right. Lord R. CECIL—As the right hon. gentleman wished to be accurate, he might tell him, on the authority of a state ment made by the treasurer of Sr. Bartholomew's, that the result of the proposal on that hospital would be that ,everal hundreds of in-patients and several thousands of out• I a tients would be annually excluded from the benefits of the institution. The CHANCE LLO H. of the EXCHEQUER continued —He was bound to receive with respect any statement coming from such a quarter; but this he should say, that the amount of tax which would be laid upon the property of St. Bartholomew's would be little more than £7OO. Its income was £36,000 a year. and, after deducting £261, which was now paid from a little more than £l,OOO, the gro.s amount which would be levied and the addition which would be charged under the new arrangement would be a little more than £7OO. What compensation it got for that sum he would show at a future period. The noble lord the member for Stamford complained that he had attempted in committee to force a final discussion upon the subject, and had abridged the opportunity for discussion. He had done no such thing, nor had he in any way aeparted from the usual forms. The hon. baronet who followed the noble lord argued that the imposition of the email charges, which it was now proposed to repeal was a false step ; but he (the Chancellor of the Ex chequer) was not prepared to admit any such conclusion ; for although he thought that it would be inexpedient that those charges should permanently remain, yet at the time they were imposed they were necessary instruments for et • fecting great financial relief to the country and great ad ministrative reforms. His hon. friend the member for Derby asked why nor also give up all the other charges imposed in 1860. But he saw no reason why a charge, because it was imposed in 1860, should be given up in 1863 The charge which was called the "penny impost" entailed considerable labour, was an impediment to the c.rogress of business and oc casioned an expenditure of a good deal of time, but the charge in which the hon. member was interested did not entail anything. of the kind. And it was the intention of the Government to adhere to the declaration he had made in their name about 'he surplus, which in the present state of the finances of the country they proposed to reserve, and steadily to resist to the best of their power all attempts at its diminution The hon. baronet the member for Evesham said that this was not a moment, for pressure, and therefore not a m , naent when any small addition to the revenue of the country ought to be proposed. The ground on which they rested, and on which they desired to stand or fall, was simply the ground of fairness and justice. If their proposals were just to the country, let the house adopt them ; if they were unjust, by no means let it import any unjus charge into their financial system, even if the necessities of the country were greater than they were. The hon, baronet also said that during the last two years there had been a deficiency of £.5,000,000. He was at a loss to dis- cover it; for, although there was a deficiency in 18J1-62, the surplus in 1861••63 more than restored the balance. His hon. friend the member for Buckingham had revived the whole subject of the income tax, and had put to him six questions. But with the greatest respect he should beg to be relieved at the present time from answering them. (Hear, hear.) They had already had two debates on the income tax, and if a third were required it was impossible to mil a up a general discussion of this kind with that upon the stages of the financial bill of the year. _ The hon. member also demanded that he should give him his views as to the future of the income tax. He was entitled to make that de. mand ; but in complying with it he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) was also entitled to limit it to what was safe _ . and prudent. (Hear, hear.) He certainly had had warn. ings on the subject. (Laughter.) In 1853 he made a corn. putation, and submitted it to the house, upon the belief than the expenditure of the country was likely to continue at the level at which it then stood. In 1857, after the Russian war, the disposition of the country led to a great augmen tation of that expenditure. He resisted it, but he was in a minority. They had now a different scale of expenditure, and most certainly, having once seen it raised, it was not for him to determine what might be in future years the pro spective wants of the country, or to venture on any rash prophecy as to what would be its expenditure. (Hear.) He however saw no reason why the limit of its expenditure should rise higher. He saw great reason to hope that it might fall lower, but beyond that he was not disposed to go. (Hear, hear) With respect to the creation of revenue, in his opinion, if the country could meet its expenditure with a sum of horn £63,000,000 to £65,000,000, then at some future and short period of time it would be possible to carry on the government of the country wirhout resorting to an income tax. (Hear, hear.) The question whether they should reslrt to an income tax in time of peace was one of the gravtat that could be conceived, because while on the one hand objections could be urged against it, on the other hand, the recommendation of the tax was that it had the tendency of e qualising the burden of taxation as between the higher and lower classes of society. (Hear.) An hon. member (Mr. Hunt) wished to know what the effect would be if the £6O deduction were carried through all classes of income. The means of computation which they had at command were only of a partial character ; but the result might be thus stated. They took the area of taxation of incomes between £lOO and £l5O a year at £13,600,000 ; and upon that the relief would amount to £160,000. Between £l5O and £lOO the amount was .0,222,000, and on that would cost V40,000--ihe sum of both being £300,000. They took the amount of the higher class of incomes at £17, 7 7C0,000. The extension of the £6O deduction to that class would amount to £514,000, and over and above the others, giving as the cost of deduction on all classes a sum of £911.001. He did not know what effect that state- ment might have on the mind of the hon. m ember, but he be a thought it was conclusive that it would wanton and purp iseless waste of public money if they were to extend the exemption upwards as suggested. (Hear.) It might be said that it would be convenient to persons with incomes of £3OO, but he owned that he was not willing to depart from the traditional limit which always recognised the sum of £2OO as the highest amount at which the exemption should attach. (Roar, hear.) The hon. baronet (Sir J. Fergusson) referred to charities with mixed receipts from endow- ments, fees, and contributions, but in their case the proposal of the Government only referred to charitable endowraents. With regard to passing tels, he received that morning a statement of the case from which he understood that there was a compact batween the Government and the parties, and if it turned out to be so, the case would by no means fall within the proposal, His hon. friend the member for Leeds said in a portion of his speech that they would turn out patients and persons now in the enjoyment of incomes from charitable sources. '1 hat was not the case, because the bill contained a provision for the protection of individuals, and also another important provision, that where there was a margin of other funds from which the tax could be met, in no case should a de duction be made from those persons who were beneficiaries, or recipients of the charity under fixed allowances. He would undertake to show, when the time arrived, that so far from the property of charities being in a worse position then the care of individuals with less than £lOO per an num, it would be on a much better footing. The question was very intricate, and he confessed that he had some diffi culty in obtaining the knowledge he required in reference to it, but he should be prepared to make a clear and full statement when it came on for discussion on Monday next. It was desirable that they should approach the discussion of the matter in a comprehensive manner, and he assured the house there would be no desire to precipitate a decision on it, but to give every opportunity for it• being thoroughly sifted. The proposal had been made on the ground of strict justice, and it would be for the house to adopt or reject it. Sir S. NORTHCOTE argued that it was unuesirable to enter into a general discussion on the subject before the proper time. Though he disagreed with his noble col league that there was any impropriety in the course adopted by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, yet he was struck with the observation that it would have been de sirable to have hed a previous discussion in committee on resolutions which would have put the house in possession of much of that information without which it was impos sible to arrive at a proper decision upon this complicated question. The bill was now before them, so Mr as he could judge front it. no provision was made for pro tem ing particular funds, such as the Patriotic Fund. He considered it was desirable that early information shou' d be given on various matters on which the public mind was forming itself, in ignorance of the Government proposal The right hon. gentleman had said, in answer to a question put to him. that it was proposed to put the tax on endow ments, and not en voluntary contributions. Now, he (Sir S. Nortbcote) wished to know what would be done in the case of a fund such, for instance, as that which had bees subscribed for the Lancashire distress The committee were in possession of more money than they could expend at once, and, with a view to economy, it was funded and drawn out as re quired, and he wished to know if that would be considered hargeable to the income tax. Ha asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer to give the house and the country information to what extent the Government in ,euded to modify the bill. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, with the indulgence of the house, said the object of the Government was to lay a tax upon the great mass of public endowments, and endowments were understood to mean investments of a permanent character, as distinguished froie investments of a temporary charac'er, and held as it were for a floating purpose for carrying out the aetails of philanthropic plans. Religious societies depend on their annual subscriptions, and they were charged to their full extent, and in order to meet their engagements it was requisite for them to hold small sums in reserve v hich they sold out in the course of the year. The proposal of the Government would make provision for exempting those cases, but he did not think it wise to perplex the bill with minute details in regard to theft. Ample notice would be given fur the consideration and discussion of the subject. Mr. WALPOLE said it was difficult to comprehend the nature of the Government proposition. He thought the tax would press heavier on the funds of the Bartholomew Hospital than had been represented by the Chancellor of the Exchequer. The income was stated by the right hon. gentleman to be £30,000, and the tax no more than £7OO per annum, but 7d. in the £1 on that sum would amount to upwards of £l,OOO per annum. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the hospital now paid on the officers' dwelling-houses and salaries about £ . 260 a year. Mr. WALPOLE said that he never understood that the bill was intended to apply to voluntary subscriptions. The important proposition the right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer would have to address him self to was, whether the recipients of those charities were to be treated as separate individuals, or whether the trustees of the charities would be treated as individuals receiving incomes on which, as individuals, they would have to pay income tax. Every principle laid down for taxing charity property had forced itself to th it distinction. The legacy duty of 10 per c.nt. was applicable to charities, where the property was given to trustees in a lump sum for general distribution; but if it was left to pay sums not ex ceeding £l5 to each of the recipients of the charity it paid no duty, because the sums to be paid were under £2O, the minimum at which legacy duty was paid. That was a distinction that ought always to be kept in view in dealing with charity property. Mr. BAGWELL said the Chancellor of the Exchequer would experience considerable opposition from Irish members on the point of taxing charities. Mr. HENLEY said the Chancellor of the Exchequer had informed the house, with great candour, that this was an Intricate question, and that he had experienced some trouble and difficulty in understanding it. If it was so intricate and difficult as the right hon. gentleman had stated, how was it possible that any hon. member unconnected with the Government could underst.nd the question he would be called upon to vote on Monday with the imperfect informa tion they then possessed ? The intricacy of the subject showed its importance. He understood the right hon. gentleman to say that the operation of the measure was not to be retrospective, but there was no information on that point. He had tried to form the best opinion he could upon the bill, but it was like a thick hedge, through which no man could get hisleyes, much mole his head and body. (Laughter.) He hoped the house would have more time to consider the matter. The right hon.gentlemandescribed this as a just measure, but it was the first time he (Mr. Henley) had heard it said it was just to rob the poor; and he ven tured to say that that was the first time such a notion of justice had entered the head of a Chancellor of the Ex chequer. The right hon. gentleman considered it right to tax the poor, the halt, the lame, and the blind, and that was his new system of justice. It was, however, to be hoped that the house would have time to fully dis cuss that new code of justice before they were asked to adopt it. He thought the proposition should be printed. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explained tbat he said the new tax would take between £7OO and £BOO a year from St. Bartholomew's Hospital. With regard to the intricacy of the question his remark had reference not to the intricacy of the proposition, for that was very plain, but to the present law. The Government proposition was very intelligible, but if hon. members wished for further information he should be ready and willing to give it. After a few remarks from Lord LOVAINE, Sir M. FARQUHAR said the proposal was of great im- Portanco and of universal interest to the public, and it was de-irable to know the precise effect of the Government pro position. He called upon the Chancellor of the Exchequer to allow ample time for the consideration of his proposal. Lord J. MANNERS said the house did not want any explanation from the Chancellor of the Exchequer as to the existing law. Hon. members on both sides were perfectly conversant with the law, at d, what was more, they were perfectly content with it. (Heat.) What they wanted to know was the intention of the right hon. gentleman with respect to that law. Lord H. VANE must also join in expressing a hope that hho qw-stion would not be pressed upon thehousetuiti sufficient time bad been allowed for consideration. (Hear, hear.) There was no doubt that a very strong feeling had arisen adve rse to the proposal, and that it was regarded by very many as a retrograde policy. (Hear, hear.) Sir J. PAKINGTON recommended that the Chancellor of the Exchequer should take until to-morrow to deciae as to his course. In his view the right hon. gentleman ought to make an 0' planatory statement on Monday, and then allow of a sufficient interval for deliberation, before calling upon the hon.e to come to a vote with respect to the proposal. Mr. MALINS pronounced the proposal to tax charities a most impolitic one, although he considered the budget as a whole the best which the right hon. gentleman had ever produced. Mr. KINNAIRD concurred in the recommendation that ample lime Should be allowed for the consideration of the questioa. Mr. CARDWELL impressed upon the house the desira bility of refraining from a discussion of the subject piece meal, but to await the explanatory statement of the Chan cellor of the Exchequer on Monday. The bill was then read a second time. STOCK CERTIFICATES TO BEARER BILL. On the order of the day for going into committee on this The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose to I explain its provisions. He said that the machinery for the administration of the public debts of the country was somewhat peculiar; still it was most adairable for its purpose, and was marked with the greatest possible skill and rfticiency by the Bank of England, as well as by the Bank of Ireland. Nor, in introducing this bill, did the Go vernment desire to make any fundamental change in the system, although at the same time it was capable of im provement. In the first place, it did not offer the greatest possible facilities to those who found it necessary to borrow money on the security of stock ; and therefore, an important object of this bill was to establish the most perfect freedom in regard to the borrowing of money on the security of stock, by the creation of stock certificates payable to bearer, which might be transferred from hand to hand with the same faci ity as a bank note. Ihe bill would be a greet convenience, and bring more buyers and holders into the market, It would also create dewing in stock in foreign and provincial markets at present almost unknown. Though an anti► centralising measure, and one likely to affect to a certain extent the business of the broker and banker, it had been received with general approval in London, The provisions of the bill were as follows—lt proposed to give every holder of stock the option of exchanging his registered stock for certificates to bearer, with interest payable by coupon. The period for which interest sh uld run was a matter for consi deration, which would be determined upon the best advice, if the bill passed into law, tiaough it was not likely that it would be for less than five years or for more than ten years. The transfers of stock into these new certificates would only be, in round numbers, carrying them down as low as certifi cates of XiO, capital representing a yearly interest of 30s, and a half-yearly interest of 15s. The benefits of the bid would be the facility of circulation, the universality of holders, and the freedom from restraint in money ealings ft might occur to the minds of gentlemen approaching the onsideration of the question for the first time, wi ether there was a likelihood of these certificates being exten sively, commonly, or even rarely forged. Of course, the best means would be adopted to prevent such delinquency ; but the guidance of exp rience showed that there was very little danger on this score. Another difficulty might arise from fraud when held by the joint holders. In the case of ordinary commercial partnership it would be unwise to at tempt by law to secure partner against partner. But in the case of trustees, the bill would make it a breach of trust to take these securities ; and in addition to that it was proposed that notice of this disability should be printed on the certi ficates. It w-s prop , sed that the bank should at once pro vide the means of effecting this new description of conver sion as regards Consols and the New Three per Cents., re serving the power to extend it to the other descriptions of stuck. On the same principle as Exchequer bills were drawn, it was proposed to make these certificates payable to blank or bearer, ss that if any one, for the sake of security from abstraction, liked to invert his own name he could do so at the sacrifice of some of the facility of transfer which he would otherwise enjoy. The bill would possibly affect the revenue of the country in a slight degree, by necessitating increased remuneration to the bank for the increased trouble it would entail. It would also probably cause a loss, trom foreign holders of certificates not being liable to pro bate duty. It was proposed to charge a maximum fee of per cent. for the original conversion of registered stock to certificates to bearer, with an additional fee when the num ber of certificates exceed a certain proportion to the amount of stock held. A fie would also be charged where nomi nal c-rtifics tes were exchanged to certificates to nearer. With regard to the issue of certificates t t bearer, taking counsel with the hon. gentleman behind him (Mr. Hodg son), and the best advisers he could find, they were of opkion that when they were going to have the national debt represented in one d , cument, which should have no relation whatever to any particular place, but circulate uniformly as far it could go, that it should be one, and issued in one place. (Hear,) But he found there was a very strong desire in Ireland that the Bank of Ireland should have the power of issuing its own certificates to bearer; and in point of tact there was good ground for such a d-mand There was a distinct national debt for Ireland which had its centre in the Bank of Ireland, as well as the in. in portion had its cent re in trte Bank of England; and having had an interview that day with the members for I , üblin, and other gentlemen from Ireland, he would make arrangements for the issuing of certificates to bearer in Ire land as well as in E gland. (Hear, hear.) Mr. HUNT, af.er stating that the house had reason to be thankful to the right hon. gent,eman for the lucid state_ went he had made, suggested certain cases of fraud in con nection with trust funds, and other descriptions of property, which he was afraid the bill would not prevent. Mr. MALINS expressed his thanks to the Chancellor of the Exchequer for his measure, which he was sure would be a great boon to the public, With regard to the fears ex pressed by the hon. member for Northamptonshire, they were for the meat part imaginary. His principal object in rising was to sugges , as tue right hon. gentlem-n had taken a step in the right direction by giving increased facilities for dealing in stocks, that ha would go a little further and intro duce some arrangement which would enable the c.wners of stock to have their dividends paid to their bankers, upon writing to the Bank of England requesting it to be done. Mr. HODGSON said, from all the information they were enabled to possess, the amount of frauds in funded property was exceedingly small. The Bank of England never acknowledged trusts of any kind, so that the pro posed alteration would make no difference in that par ticular, and he believed there would be no greater means of having frauds committed by trustees under the pre sent bill than before. With regard to the suggestion of the honourable member for Wallingford, all he could say was, that it the honourable member would open an ac count with them at the Bank, and give them power of attorney, they would be happy to do all his business, (Laughter, and hear, hear.) He believed the proposal of the Chancellor of the Exchequer would do great good, and would encourage foreigners to invest still more largely in English funds. At present there were £18,000,000 invested in the funds of the National Debt by foreigners resident abroad. He thought, the proposed measure for Ireland would also be productive of great benefits to that country. (Hear, near.) The house then went into committee. On the motion of Mr. Alderman SALO MONS, the words "Reduced Three per Cent. Annuities" were inserted after "Consolidated Annuities" in clause 2, giving thus the same advantage to both descriptions of stock. The other clauses were agreed to, and the bill passed through committee. TELEGRAPHS BILL. Mr. M. GIBSON moved the third reading of this bill. Lord A. CHURCHILL moved the third reading of the bill this day six months. He did so because in the former stages of the bill its details, and not its principle, were dis cussed. The bill had been mutilated and restricted in its operations from the opposition that had been made to it, in order to confirm the monopoly of existing telegraph compa nies. The powers of the bill had been mistaken, and he as sured the house there was no desire on the part of its pro• moters to act in the arbitrary manner that had been attri• buted to them (which had been in some instances adopted by existing companies) by the opponents of the measure. The subject generally had better be reconsidered. There should be a consolidation of the existing telegraph acts. Sir F. SMITH seconded the amendment. Mr. F. S. POWELL considered the measure avery use ful one, although it might not be quite perfect. Mr. M. GIBSON hoped the noble lord would not press his amendment to a division, but that he would take his chance in another place of introducing whatever amend mints he deemed necessary. Upon that Lord A. CHURCHILL withdrew his amend Inept, and the bill was read a third time and passed. CONSOLIDATED FUND (120,000,000) BILL. The bill passed through committee. EXCHEQUER BON DS (£10,000,000). This bill likewise passed through committee. BOROUGH RESIDENCE UNIFORM MEASURE MENT BILL. On the order of the day for going into cornmittee on this bill, Mr. M'CANN moved that the order be discharged. Mr. uENMAN, in seconding the motion, said that mem bers had not been treated with the usual courtesy in their being kept there all night uncertain whether the bill would be brought on. Mr. VANCE said that was the first occasion on which he had seen advantage taken of the casual absence of the member having charge of a bill to move its discharge. There was a distinct arrangement between himself and the hon. member for Kilmarnock (Mr. Bouverie) who lent his opposition to it, that the bill was not to be brought on be fore ten o'clock. After some observations from Mr. RUNT and Mr. K HUGESSEN, Sir M. W. RIDLEY moved that the debate be ad journed. Mr, WHITESIDE and Sir G. GREY having addressed he house, Mr. S. COLLINS, who had chargejof the bill, proceeded ►o speak in support of the bill, and against time. The hon. member continued to address tho house for more than an hour, amidst coniiau•ins groans and cries of "divide," his avowed object being to postpone the decision until his friends. who had promised to support the bill, should have returned to the house Mr. NASH said the bill was a job, and that it ought to be denounced as a bill for the encouragement of bribery and corruption Sir H. BRUCE supported the bill. Mr. ROUVEItIE suggested the withdrawal of the mo tion before the house, and then take the division lon the motion for going into committee. The hon. member for Knaresborough had made the singular complaint that his bill had come on before he expected, and therefore he had spoken against tune to allow hon. members to come down to the house to support his motion for going into corn. mittee. He repeated what had been said on a former ocea. sion, that the rules of the bowie wore made by gentlemen for gentlemen, but if they were to be violated as they had been in this instance, the sooner they were altered the bet- ter. ( Hear.) Sir J. PAKINGTON defended the hon. member for Knaresborough from the unjustifiable attqck that had been made on him. He however approved of the suggestion of taking the division on the motion for going into committee. Mr. LIDDELL and Sir M. FARQUHARSON also defended the hon member for Knaresborough from the imputation 'hat had been cast on him by the right hoc. gentleman the member for Kilmarnock. They supported the bill. Mr. B. CARTER thonght that when a bill of great portance was on the paper members had a right to expect that the gentleman who had charge of it would either be in his place to move the second reading, or that he would get some one to move it for him. Ater some observations from Major HAMILTON, Sir M. RII)LEY withdrew his amendment for the ad ournment of the debate; and Mr. M`CANN withdrew his amendment that the order of the day for going into committee on the bill la:: discharged. Mr. IIOUVERIE then moved that the house go into committee on the bill that day six months. The house divided, with the following result:-- Ayes Noes Majority --43 The amendment was theretore carried, and the bill was lost. JUDGMENTS LAW AMENDMENT (IRELAND) BILL. The house then went into committee on this bill. After a short discussion between Mr. Whiteside, the At torney• General, Mr. I. Butt, and Mr. George, the chairman was ordered to report progress. .__ _ _ MARRIAGES, &c. (IRELAND) BILL. On the report of this bill several amendments were agreed to. ACCIDENTS COMPENSATION. Sir J. FERGUSSON obtains t leave to bring in a bill to regulate the compensation for accidents. The bill was accordingly brought in and read a first time. TOWNS IMPROVEMENT (IRELAND) ACT AMENDMENT. Mr. BAGWELL also obtained leave and brought in a bill which was read a first time, to amend the Towns Im prove men (Ireland) Act. The o her orders were disposed of and the house ad journed at 20 minutes past one o'clock. PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION. HOUSE OF COMMONS, APRIL 30. BOROUGH RESIDENCE UNIFORM MEASURE MENT BILL. Order for committee read. Motion made and question proposed, "That this house will, tomorrow, resolve itself into a committee on the said bill." Amendment proposed, to leave out from the word " That" to the end of the question, in order to add the words " the order for the committee on the said bill be discharged," instead thereof. Question proposed, " That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the question." Debate arising, motion made and question proposed, " £hat the debate be now adjourned." Motion, by leave, withdrawn. Question again proposed, " That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the question." Amenument and original qu- stion, by leave, withdrawn. Motion made and question proposed, "That Mr. Speaker do now leave the chair." Amendment proposed, to leave out from the word " That" to the end of the question, in order to add the words " this house will, upon this day six months, nsolve itself into the said committee," instead thereof. Question put, " That the words proposed to be left out stand part of the question." The house divided—Ayes, 139; Noes, 182. AYES —139. Adderley, C. B. Greaves, Edward Naas, Lord Annesley, Col. H. Greenall, G. Noel, G. J. Astell, J. H. Gray, Capt North, CoL Barttelot, Col. Grey deWilton,Lord Packe, C. Bathurst, A. A. Grogan, Sir E. Pakenham, Col. Beach, W. W. Hamilton, Lord C. Pakington, Sir J. S, Beecroit, G. S. Hamilton, Major Parker, Major W. Booth, Sir R. G. Hamilton, Viscount Paull, H. Bovill, Wm. Hanmer, Sir J. Peacocke, G. M. Bramley-Moore, J. Hassard, M. D. Pevensey, Viscount Bridges, Sir B. Hay, Sir J Phillip:, G. L. Brooks, R. Hennessy, J. P. Potts, George Bruce, sir H. Heygate,Sir F. Powell, F. S. Bruen, Henry Hodgs,,n, R. Pritchard, John But lerJohnstone,ll. Holford, R. S. Quinn, Peter Burrell, Sir P. Howes, E. Ridley, Sir M. W. Cairns, Sir H. Humberstone, P. S. Roebuck, J. A. Cartwright, Col. Hunt, G. W. Rogers, John J. Cecil, Lord R. Jermyn, Earl Rowley, Hon. R. T. Chapmau,.l. Jervis, Captain Salt, T. Close, M. C. Jones, D. Sclater-Booth, G. Cobbold, John C. Kelly, Sir F. Selwyn, C. J. Codrington, Sir W Kendall, N. Smith, Sir F. Cole, Hon. H. Kennard, R. Somes, Joseph Cole, J. L. Knatchbull, W. Stanhope, Lod Cox, W. Knightley, R. Stirling, Wm. Cubitt, George Kuox, ,01. Stewart Sir M. R. Dawson, It. P. Laird, J. Taylor, Colonel Dickson, Col. Lelroy, A. Thynne, Lord E. Du Cane, C. Lee, W. Torrens, R. Duncombe, W. E. Lennox, Lord G. G. Trefusis, Hon. C. H. Dunne, Col. Lennox, Lord H. G. Trevor, Lord A. East, Sir J. B. Lennox, C. Trollope, Sir John Edwards, Col. Leslie, W. Turner, C. Egerton, W. Liddell, Hon. 11. G. Vance, John Farquhar, Sir M. Lindsay, General Vansittart, Wm. Farrer, J. Longfield, Robert Walker, James R Fellowes, Edward Lovaine, Lord Watlington, J. Fergusson, Sir J. Lyall, G. Whiteside, J. Ferrand, W. Lygon, Hon. F. Woodd, B. T. Filmer, Sir E. Macaulay, K. Wyndham, Hon. H. Forester, Gen. M'Cormick, W. Wynn, C. W. W. Forster, Sir G. Macdonogh, F. Wynne, C. G Gard, R. S. Manners, Lord J. Gaskell, J. M. Mordaunt, Sir C. George, John Morritt, W. Gordon, C. W. Mowbray, Rt. Hn. J. Collins, T. Gore, J. R. 0. Mure, David Darner, S. D. TELLERS. NOES -182. Acton, Sir J. Ennis, John O'Reilly, M. Adair, H. E. Esmon de, J. Padmore. R. Adeane, H. J. E vans , T. W. Paget, Lord A. Agnew, Sir A. Ewart, William Paget, Lord C. E. Angerstein, W. Ewart, J. C. Palmer, Sir R. Anson, Major Fenwick, Henry Palmerston, Vied. Antrobus, E. Fitzroy, Lord F. Pease, H. Atherton, Sir W. Fitzwilliam. C. W. Peel, Sir It. Aytoun, n. S. Foljambe, F. J. S. Peel, F. Bagwell, J. Forster, Charles D. Pender, J. Baines, E. Fortescue, C. S Pilkington, James Baring, H. B. Gavin, Major Pollard Urquhart W Baring, Sir F. Gibson. T. M. Ponsonby, A. Baring, Thos. Geo. Gilpin, C. Potter, E. Barnes, T. Gladstone, W. E. Proby, Lord. G. L. Bass, M. T. Goldsmid, Sir F. Pryse, Capt. E. L. Bazley, Thomas Gower, F. L. Puller, C. W. Beamish, F. B. Greene, J. Ramsden, Sir J. W. Beaumont, W. B. Greenwood, J. Raynham, Viscount Beaumont,Somerset Gregson, S. Robartes, T. J. A. Bellew, It. M. Grey, Rt. Hn. Sir G. Robertson, D. Be. keley, C. Grosvenor, Earl Russell, Hastings Black, Adam Hanbury, R. Russell, A. J. E. Blencowe, J. G. Handley, John Russell, Sir Wm. Bonham-Carter, J. Hankey, Thomson St. Aubyn, J. Bouverie P. P. Hartington,Marquls Salomonß,A.derman Brand, H. B. Headlam, Thus. E. Scholefieal, W. Bright, J. Hervey, Lord A. Seely, C. Briscoe, J. I. 11 ibbert, J. Seymour, Danby Browne, Lord J. T. It odgson, K. Seymour, Digby Bruce, H. A. Howard, Lion. C. Shelley, Sir J. V. Buchanan, W. Butt, W. Smith, J. B. Buller, J. W. Ingham, R. S m ith, M. T . Buller, Sir A. King, Hon. P. Smith, Augustus Butt, Isaac Kinglake, A. W. Somerville, Sir W. Buxton, C. Kingscote, Col. Stansteld, J. Calthorpe, F. H. Kinuaird, Hon. A. Steel, John Cardwell, Rt. Hn. E. Knatchbull- H ugess Talbot, C. R. M. Castlerosse, Vist. Layard, A. H. Thornhill, W. P. Caveniish, Hon. W. Langton, W. 11. G. Vane, Lord H. G. Childers, H. C. B. Lawson, W. Verney, Sir Harry Clay, James Leatham, E. Villiers, Rt. Hon. C. Clifford, C. C. Lewis, Harvey Vivian, H. H. Clifford, Cot. Locke, Join Vyner, Reginald Coke, Col. Lowe, Rt. Hon. It. Waldron, L. Cowper, Hon. W.F. M'Cann, J. Walter, John Crawford, R. W. Mackie, J. Weguelin, T. Crossley, Sir F. Maguire, J. F. W emyss, J. Dalglish, Robert Mainwaring„ T. Western, S. Davey, it. Marsh, M. 11. Westhead, J. Davie, Col. F. Martin, J. White, Jas. Dent, John Dent Massey, W. N. White, L. Dering, Su* E. Matheson, Sir J. Williams, W. Dillwyn, Lewis L. Merry, James Winnington, Sir T. Douglas, Sir C. Mildmay, H. Wood, Rt Hn. Sir C. Doulton, F. Moffatt, George Wood, W. Duff, M. E. Moncreiff, J. Woods, Henry Duff, R. Morrison, W. Wyvill, M. Dunbar, Sir Wm. North, F. Dundas, Sir David O'Conor Don, The TELLERS Dunlop, A. O'Donoghue, The Bouverie, E. P. Ellice, E., jun. O'Ferrall, M. Denman, G. THE PALACE OF WESTMINSTER, The following is the thirteenth report of the Commissioners on the Fine Arts;— "We the Commissioners appointed by your Majesty under aCommission bearing date the 22d day of November, 1841, for the purpose of inquiring whether advantage might not be taken of the rebuilding of your Majesty's Palace at Westminster—wherein your Majesty's Parliament is wont to assemble—for the purpose of promoting and encouraging the fine arts in your Majesty's United Kingdom, and in what manner an object of so much importance might be most effectually promoted, beg leave to submit to your Ma jesty a report respecting the progress of the works recom mended by us to be undertaken, and, at the same time, to bring under your Majesty's notice the position in which the commission is at present placed. " Bearing in mind the warm interest which our late cbaira]an, his Royal Highness the Prince Consort, at all times took in the labours of the commission and in the pro gress of works undertaken under its direction, we should have deemed it our duty to proceed to the election of another chairman, difficult, nay impossible, as we should feel it to be to supply in any adequate degree that combina tion of knowledge in art, of tried experience in business, and of high personal authority, by which his Royal Highness was distinguished. But we feel ourselves relieved from the necessity of this most difficult selection, since in our opinion the term of our prescribed duties has now arrived. The whole scheme of decoration for the Palace of Westminster has been considered and decided ; and, trusting that the series of works now in progress can be carried on to their completion, it does not appear to us that the cnnmiission need be continued to superintend the execution. " In our 12th report, dated the 25th of February, 1861, we entered so fully into the history of the labours of the commission from the first that it will be sufficient or the present occasion to specify the works that have been com pleted since the date of that report, and to submit our view as to the extent to which various series of works, both in painting and sculpture, now begun should be continued. " We have the pleasure to report that Daniel Maclise, R.A , has brought to a successful and kughly satisfactory termination the large wall-painting, executed in the water glass method, representing the meeting of Wellington and Blucher after the battle of Waterloo; and that he has al ready begun the corresponding painting representing the Death of Nelson. Those works measuring each 45tt. in length, occupy the principal compartments in the Royal Gallery. " Referring in our la-t report to the vast scheme of deco ration proposed for the Royal Gallery, we observed that, while so extensive a plan cannot be completed in the life- time of one artist, it would be desirable that the necessarily partial execution should be so conducted as that the works, when interrupted, should, as far as possible, present ^s sym. metrical arrangement. On this principle we recommended that the two large compartments facing each other in. the Royal Gallery should be completed first, " Anticipating the same industry on the part of Mr. Ma clise as he has hitherto manifested, we by no means recom mend the limitation of his labours even to the two vast sur faces referred to. On the contrary, believing that a painter combin'ng so much skill with so much energy is especially qualified for such undertakings, we recommend that, as suming willingness on his part, such other portions of the Royal Gallery be subsequently intrusted to him as may, according to the principle above explained, still produce a satisfactory arrangement and a relative completeness. " In the apartment called the Queen's Robing Room, William Dyce, R.A.. has, since the date of our last report, been occasionally employe& on the largest of the f escoes belonging to the series of subjects he has undertaken to treat in that place from the legend of King Arthur. The stipulated remuneration for the entire series having been long since received by him, we have only to express our earnest hope that he will see the importance of prosecuting the work with greater assiduity; more especially since his exclusive occupation of the apartment must, as we have observed in our last report, occasion great inconvenience to your Majesty. "We next come to the decoration of another apartment —The Peers' Robing Room—which is also required for the meeting of one of the standing committees of the House of Lords. Here the general subject is Justice on Earth and its Development in Law and Judgment,' John Rogers Herbert, R.A., who has undertaken the series, and who has prepared sketches for several of the subjects, h's nearly completed a large wall-painting, representing Moses bring ing down the Table of the Law to the Israelites,' The delay that has taken place in the execution of this, the first of the set ies, has been chiefly in consequence of frequent experi ments by the artist ita:the water-glass method of painting We are informed, however, that the Committee of the Lords finds its business at present most seriously obstructed, and we think that, as Mr. Herbert now appears to be satisfied as to the technical process to be adopted, there is no reason wby in future ho should not procc ei much more rapioly. " The subjects pi opos•-d for the Peers' and Commons' , Jorridora are illustrative of that great contest whic'i corn' menced with the meeting of the Long Parliament and ter• minated in 1689.' Charles West Cope, R.A , who has un; dertaken the Peers' Corridor, has prosecuted his work with equal ability and industry. Five out of the eight painting s of which the series is to consist have bee n al r , ady fini-hed , and the designs for the remaining three have been approved by us. The work last completed—' Basing .house defended by the Cavaliers against the Parliamentary army' — h at baen satisfactorily executed in the water -glass method. " The Commons' Corridor, consisting of the same numbe r of compartments, has been allotted to Edward Matthew Ward, R.A., whose name is so highly distinguished bY h ig able treatment of subjects from modern history. Four of the paintings, executed in fresco, have been completed, and a sketch for a fifth has been approved. er In sculpture, the works now in progress consist of statues of British ....overeigns in chronological order. 12 of those statues (to be executed in white marble), from Jam e° , I to William IV., are pr o p ose d t o b e p l ace d i n the Bier" Gallery; commissions have been given for six, and the completion of the remaining six may be regarded as indi e pensable. se In our last report we stated that the whole series of statues of British Sovereigns proposed to be placed in the Royal Gallery and its immediate precincts admits of being subdivided into four distinct classes, occupying respectiv el y the Royal Gallery, the Queen's Robing Room, the Vesti bule, and the Lower Landing-place. er Should the series be continued beyond the Royal Gal lery, we recommend that the five statues intended for th e Queen's Robing Room should be undertaken next. T he remaining statues in the Vestibule and Lower Landi n g: place, to be executed i n metal, would be of much less e ne :' " The above may be sa id to compre h end all the wts.7l that are in progress. In some instances—for example, in the series of statues and in the series of paintings in the Royal Gallery and Peers' Robing Room—we have not Fe' Burned to define now far any of the works should or shoul d not be deferred. In the other cases—the Queen's Robing Room and the two C orr id ors —it i s o b v i ously des i ra ble the" . they should be completed without interruption. " Among future undertakings, re quiring less time. W e l possibly be included the re-painting of some of the earlier experimental frescoes in the Upper Waiting Hall. The t partial decay of some of those works induced us to aplo in f a committee in the last year to inquire into the causes the deterioration. The members of that committee, assisted i by an able chemist, aft er care f u l an d repeate d inspet.tions ot the paintings, not o n ly i n th e U pper W a i t i ng H a ll throughout the building, have examined various artists a n other competent witnesses, but up to this time they h afe not been able to arrive at any satisfactory result. " With regard to the amount that may for a time be I : quired to meet the cost o f wor k s i n progress, although the:: Las been f or some years an understanding that a vo t e £4,000 would be annually proposed to Parliament Wea l ? ing on the objects of the commission, it does not appeal' P re ; bable that so muc h will be required hereafter. The estitett; which we hav e t hi s year sobiaitted to the Lords of the Treasury, to be proposed, with their approval, to r e , rlie. ' ment, amounts to £3,700. W e have included in the aPr-„ &a. a detailed stateme n t o f t h e works now in progress for which further payments will be required. re We cannot conclude this our final report without de siring to offer our testimony to the professional skil l, . ‘e a , well as the activity, the zeal, and the uprightness W l 0 which our secretary, Sir Charles Eastlake, has, during . , period of 21 years, fulfilled an important and sometime''- invidious task. We know that Sir Charles Eastlake's % et ; vices were fully app re ci a t e d b y hi s R oyal Highne ss the Prince Co nsor t, an d we venture to hope that some ree'" may be shown to those long and meritorious services. " STANHOPE (in the chair). "LYNDItunsT. "NEWCASTLE. "J OHN EVELYN DEN S " " PALMERSTON sox (Speaker). "RUSSELL. "JOHN MANNERS' " WILLOUGHBY DE ERESICY. "LLANOVER " EvERSLEY. " WILLIAM CONVW I4. "Palace of Westminster, March 11, 1861." COUNTRY MARKETS. 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