The Sun. — London, England, 1854-12-16 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS-(YESTERD.A.Y.) The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack at five o'clock. VOTE OF THANKS TO THE ARMY AND NAVY IN THE EAST. The Duke of NEWCASTLE rose and said—My lords, I rise for the purpose of performing a duty which, if dill • cult, is nevertheless of a most gratifying nature—to move that your lordships should agree to resolutions which cannot possibly excite any discord of feeling, but which, on the contrary, must, I am certain, for the time assuage every feeling of party animosity, and must combine in entire unanimity every peer on each side of this house. (Hear.) My lords, fortunately for my performance of this task, no eloquence is necessary to induce your lordships to agree to them. Those resolutions I- am confident, under existing circumstances, must appeal to the hearts and feel ings of all assembled within as well as without these walls. My lords, I feel that praises and high eulogies, unless adorned by rhetorical and chastened by the purest taste, are less calculated to influence minds on occasions like the present than the simple records of the deeds done and the services for which thanks are sought to be awarded. On former occasions, when it has been the duty of Ministers of the Crown to move votes of thanks for the army and navy of those which Tam ab ou t t o l ay b e f ore England, similar to your lordshlPs, it has been customary, at l eas t generally so, to give some lengthened details of the operations which they had conducted, and to lay before the house a state ment of the services which justified that appeal. But, my lords, on the present occasion, I feel I should be merely trespassing on your lordships' time if I attempted to enter into such details. The circumstances on this occasion are different from those which existed in former wars. In the first place, the deeds to which I am about to refer, were performed at a time when Parliament was not sitting. (Hear.) Now, some weeks ago, and, moreover, at the present time, these deeds have been recorded to us in a manner unknown to us before —they have been recordedin terms so graphic and striking through the means of gentlemen who, were eye-witnesses of those great achievements, that it would be affictation in me indeed to endeavour to say anything now, or to give your lordship's information which, in reality, is known within the circle of every separate cottage in this country. (Hear, hear.) My lords, I have said that on this occasion I believe every feeling of party will be assuaged ; let me only add this, that if any noble lords are pleased to im pute any blame to the Governme4 for not having armed Lord Raglan and his troops with sufficient means, then so much the mere should your lordships be propared to ac cord praise to the army. (Hear, hear.) I will refer to that subject no further, but I am sure your lordships will feel that if to any extent the Government is blameable, to a much greater extent must you praise the army now in the Crimea. (Cheers.) It has always been considered that a vote of thanks for the services of our gallant soldiers and sailors is the highest reward which it is in the power of Parliament to bestow, and it has always been looked upon by the troops as the greatest incentive to the conduct of the officers and the valour of the men under their com mand. It has been regarded not only as a proof of the gratitude of Parliament, but as an indication of the sense of Parliament of the army's power to perform still greater services. It is not for me, my lords, at this moment to discuss an aphorism which has become so trite as to be generally accepted—viz., that England is not a military nation ; but I think your lordships will ag ree with me that military glory acquired by our army has been ever dear to the people of England, and has ever elicited the warmest gratitude of tiro Parliament of this country, not only from your lordships' house, but from the representatives of the people in the other house. But, my lords, as far as your lordships' house is concerned, I feel we must entertain still greater pride and pleasure when we know that he who has the command of these forces, and has won this renown, is a member of this house —ones whom we have been in the habit of seeing here among us, and one of whom I am con fident your lordships will agree with me in saying we most ardently desire to see amongst us again on a future day safe in health and encircled with that renown which he has so justly earned. (Cheers.) Lord Raglan deserves the thanks and approbation of this country, not merely for the exhibition of his military prowess, but for the course of conduct he has adopted from the first moment he left Eng land. 1 consider that the judicious arrangements which ho made both at Constantinople and at Varna—l consider that the preparations which he subsequently made for the • invasion of the Crimea, are as great indications of his talent and his conduct as even Ids military success itself. (Hear, hear.) I believe that men of weaker minds than Lord Raglan might,,.under the circumstances of .the mo ment, have hesitated to undertake that great expedition. I believe that men of less power of mind and moral cou . . rage might have been deterred by the disease which existed in the army, and the various events which might have almost justified him in exercising that discretion which, of course, no Government could hesitate to place in the com mander of an army, and might have declined to enter upon this important expedition. I said, my lords, on a former occasion that I considered it would bo almost an insult to 'a mai like Lord Raglan to speak of his courage ; but I say, if there is any one point in regard to which we are justified in blaming Lord Raglan, it is that he carried on both occasions his indifference to his personal position to perhaps an improper length. Tne way in which he was exposed on both occasions in the midst of a storm of fire— in the midst of the hottest of the fight —was a proof of his calm courage and resolute bravery which might, perhaps, have lost us his valuable and important services. What, my - lords, is the great secret of Lord Raglan's success, I believe to be the generous reliance whice he has always placed in his officers and colleagues in arms—and, let me add, on the valour of the soldiers. I think I may say, without any disrespect to himself, a circumstance which has been mentioned to me—but certainly not by Lord Raglan, proving that, if there is one characteristic of that remarkable man which stands out more boldly than an other, it is his singular modesty and avoidance of every topic that could attract fame and admiration for himself -I have heard from others that at tho battle of Alma, there was a critical moment at which if it had not been for Lord Raglan's prescience and skill the result of this moment ous event might almost have been turned. On examining the position of the Russians minutely, he despatched with the greatest alacrity two guns to a spot at which they were enabled to scatter the reserve of the enemy, and prevent them attacking us on our left, which they might have suc ceeded in doing if the English forces had not been in the hands of so skilful a general, and therefore produced the most disastrous results. I say that the modesty and disin terestedness evinced by Lord Raglan in his published des patches show that he is a worthy disciple of the illustrious general who occupies so distinguished a place in the records of history. I say that it is not merely the greatness of his military success which entitles him to the thanks of Par liament, but in no less degree his generous and noble spirit, and the moral courage which he has exhibited at all times, whether in the fight or in the camp ; and I say, moreover, that tenderness to the officers and men under his command which characterise invariably a great and distinguished general. My lords, if I say nothing further in reference to Lord Raglan, I trust your lordships will attribute it to reasons I have suggested, and that you will believe eulogy to be just as useless on my lips as in your lordships ears. Following out, my lords, the precedent of former occasions, I shall ask your lordships to veto thanks to the generals and officers under Lord Raglan's command, naming as usual all the generals—not merely the veterans Sir John Burgoyne and Sir George Brown, two men who, we must all feel, have advanced to a period of life which Scripture informs us is the term of mo s t o f us — who, indeed, Ima y say, have passed that period of life, an d w h o, most unques tionably, are entitled to the repose from labours which that age generally absolutely requires —for their distin guished services. I ask yen, then, to give them your thanks. In the next place, I ask your lordships to vote your thanks to anillustrious prince, also a member of this house, who has on this occasion endeared, if that were possible, still more to the people of this country the family to which he belongs,and who has proved that the ancient valour of his race has not degenerated at this day. (Cheers.) My lords, I am confident you will rejoice, as I know her Majesty doss, that a member of that house has been enabled to share in the toils, difficulties, and the privations, as well as in the glory of the British - army. (Cheers.) My lords, I will ask you further to vote your thanks to Sir De Lacy Evans—(cheers)—and here, I fear, I cannot adequately eulogise what every one must feel to be one of the noblest acts of gallantry that ever distinguished a veteran general. (Cheers.) My lords, he was obliged to retire from the field, end was on board ship in the harbour of Balaklava when the battle of Inkerman commenced. Your lordships know how unexpectedly that battle arose. At the sound of artillery Sir De La c y E vans hastened on shore, and, although hardly able to sit upon his horse, he ar r iv e d a t the scene of action, and there found the brigadier-general who had , hitherto served under him troops of his division, and most nobly anYgmarnntling the acting, as it were, as a his y a' d l id he assist him by his advice, camp, never for one moment setting him aside, or i t i alf i n e i; his place at the head of his d division, en reaping the ' wards and honours of the day. (Cheers. ) My lords, think you will agree with me that this is one of the most honourable traits which ever distinguished a general in any army. (Hear, hear.) 1 shall further ask your lord• ships to vote your thanks to all the other generals and offi cers, from the highest to the lowest—from the general at the lead of a division, down to the noble youths who, not yet arrived at the years of discretion, stepped forward, one after another, to seize the colours, riddled with shot, from the hands of a brother' ensign, and .carried them triumphantly to the heights of Alma, (Cheers.) Your lordships' house will, I am sure, with equal unanimity accord a vote of thanks to the non-commissioned offi cers and soldiers—(hear, hear)—of that gallant army. I alluded the other night •to that encouragement, by means of promotion, which it is intended to hold out to the soldier, and your lordships, at the time, seemed' to signify your approval of that course; but we know how dillicult it is to reward the private soldiers of the l'r e m3r, who, on the present occasion, have deseived to e. warmly greeted with our thanks. Actions more en titled to the con s id era ti on an d th e th an k s o f P ar li a ment than th ose of this occasion are not to be found in our his tory, The hearin- the gag,cuient of Inkerman has been called in my was w i on ii t :oldiers' battle. That was an action which one of those .e ti r tn e l)b ; it was got by sheer bravery ; it was one of the battle:l-land-to-hand encounters which remind an action . i n which the bravery, courage , and discipline of each individual soldie ve i Nivlasor brought to the ' test, and right well v.-as their duty e n a e d . the so m whether, eri , my r y lords, tho c 0 yon look at the individnal br tics discipline whiCh t he a y v i e r A n:i sited, or to that power of. the expression, m ind over matter, if which enabled every man to overcor4 u se 1 . nan lying— almost every human feeling, all isienusiae see i n self o , f trat hl d ic re d a t ( i l ty of at what death which is natural to every , Mymloarndsiwithoia i f ru:possible not to ever aspect orit you look, admire and honour every (Cheers.) Whether you consider the stormingugkt that day. heights of Alma, or the defence of Inkerman, two of the eamritheir as remarkably contrasted to each other as p 03 3 71 battles must admit, my lords, that theseasmtchne, fnroebsitefrce' You conn try, the greater part of when), the other night, haul never heard a shot fired in au,,,, s r ail 1 you must admit that no troops, however practised or inured to arms, ever fought better, or ever more signalised their bravery ; and let me say, my lords, that this is no despi. cable enemy; for undoubtedly, from whatever cause it might arise, whether they were excited by fanaticism, or other considerations,' no foe ever fought with greater despe ration. The British troops never had to contend against greater odds than those which they overcame. I trust I may be pardoned, in the absence of a noble earl who has - just left the house, if I express my regret that he should, the other evening, rather have demurred to the opinion expressed as to the altered and improved con duct of the British troops. Upon this point I will say no more, but repeat, in emphatic terms, the general sense of the praise which is due to their improved con• ..,... THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, DECEMBER 16, 1854. 1 • * , . been written by ehaplain of the forces, and a minister of vertecl to such a purpose, though ho did not think that any the Church of England. It appeared that Mr. Lawless had Government could long hold the reins o f p ower if it ma de not thought it inconsistent with his sacred duty, after such a use of the bill. He thought• that no such power having officiated at the death-beds of those who had been should exist, and that the bill should be altered in accord engaged in the .war, to send home to his country details anco with the intentions of Parliament. To remedy this which never should have been made public, and which had defect in the bill, he proposed to omit a portion of the first been divulged in the newspapers —the names of the officers clause, and insert in the second clause such words as would having been given at full length—thereby adding to the prevent such an interpretation being put upon . the bill. poignant sorrow of their afflicted relatives. He thought He must expressly say, that so far from their being any he was fully justified he stating his opinion of the conduct desire to quarter foreign troops in this country, and send of that gentleman, and he was sure in that opinion he away our own, he could only assure the house that he for would be supported by the majority of their lordships. ' one was convinced that theetate of the country was such As to the result of the war with such an army and navy that they might part with every man, if necessary, with as we had at our command he could entertain no doubts ; out substituting any other force—(hear)—and that least but he would appeal to. the noble lords who formed the of all was it necessary to seek for foreign troops to keep Government, jf they needed the experience and the as- peace in this country. (Hear.) If he had had the slightest sistanee of those who were opposed te them; not to hesi- ' suspiciOn that such an idea existed among any class of tate to ask it, for it would be readily granted. 1 the community, he would not only have removed all Lord GOUGH said that he could not but regard the cause for it yesterday, but would have taken care that the question which was now before their lordships without a provision should have been then inserted which he now considerable degree of interest, and he did not think he proposed. (Hear, hear.) He would state, for the benefit would be quite justified in giving a silent vote on the mo- , of the public, that the sole object of the bill was to give tion which was now before their lordships' house. He was power to brine foreign troops into this country, be proud to say that the position which he now held was at- cause, as he had before stated, it could not, of course, tributable to the deeds of the army--(hear)—and, there- be expected that foreign troops would consent immediately fore, he could not pass by a vote of thanks to the army now upon their being enlisted, to go to the seat of war, and serv ing in the Crimea—an ar m y a grea t por ti on o f w hi c h 1 there engage with the enemies of this country. If he were had assisted him in another sphere—(cheers)—without cor- asked why the number to be quartered in this country was dially joining in that expression of thanks which their limited to 15,000 he would answer that 16,000 being the lordships were now about to pass. He fully concurred in their number authorised by the Act of 1805, Government thought lordships' approbation of that gallant man who now that upon due consideration of the question, as theremight happily held the command of the army, and also of the be circumstances of difficulty, especially at first, in con army which was under his control. With the sister ser- Toying the troops to the seat of war, in the absence of suffi vice he had been often associated, and, therefore, he cor- cient steam power, &c., this number would be r eq ui re d; dially concurred in the vote of thanks to the navy. Hay- but, at the same time, hey would have no objection to in ing been also, when abroad, associated with the officers of sert 10,000 in t:;° bill in the place of 15,000. He did not the French army, he would most cordially join in the vote make that as a concession to the noble lord, but as an ex of thanks to the distinguished individual who commanded • planation of what were the original intentions of the Go that army, and to the noble army which he so well coin- von:anent. The first and second clauses of the bill would man C le d d o COLCHESTER would sugg es t to their lordships be amended accordingly. Lord that it would be well befittin g thi s coun t r y if Parliament The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH said that he had ob gave utterance to an expre ss i on o f con d o l ence w ith th e re- jetted to the bill, in giving to the Crown what he believed latives of those who had nobly fallen in battle • and he to be an unconstitutional power , bu t he thou g ht that there trusted some public , monument would be raised to the could not be a stronger proof of the careless manner in memory of those who had so bravely sacrificed their lives which her Majesty's Ministers considered great measures in the service of their country. affecting the military strength of this kingdom than the The motion was then put and agreed to. quTeshteioMn,aorcifuwishioefh C he L h A a N d ß g l iv C e A u ß n D ot E ie , e in to their r e put statement now made that it was a matter of indifference THE AUSTRIAN TREATY. to the Government whether the number in s erted in the bill was 10,00) or 15,000—the numborof troops in this country —bearing, of course, the usual proportion of one-fourth to said ho was fully awa re th a t t h e t rea t y w hi c h h a d been the number engaged abroad, and making, therefore, a dif ference of 20,000 troops who would be so engaged. He irising g lordships, t entered into with Austria would undoubtedly hot be laid thought that the fair and proper course for the noble duke before their lordships until it had been ratified. That to pursue, seeing the important alterations that he pro would doubtless be the answer of the Government, but he wished to know how soon it was likely it would be laid on posed to make, was to withdraw the present bill altogether the table ? Their lordships would admit that he was jus- I and lay upon the table an amended bill, which they could take into consideration on Monday. If the noble duke could tified in asking this question; considering that the subject not acquiesce in that, which seemed to him so reasonable was undoubtedly one of great importance, and that they and parliamentary, where only a day would be lost, there had been led to anticipate great advantages from it. Some being so material an alteration proposed in a bill which was information as to the nature of this treaty had already assumed to have had due deliberation, it was impossible for been given to the public by a leading Minister of the him to du otherwise than he had expressed his intention of Crown, but from what ho knew he apprehended that doing. He had fully considered the reasons which he had while Austria would re p ea t her assurances of a full previously expressed against the bill, and he could only say concurrence of opinion and of sympathy with the that furtherconsideration had confirmed the opinion which Allies, it would be found that she would not take he before entertained, that its principle was bad, and that one step in the prosecution of the war that, in no proof of its necessity had been given (hear, hear) ; and point of fact, they would only receive from Austria in the absence of such proof he thought it most proper to that same moral support which she had long ago adhere to constitutional principles. (Hear.) He rejoiced offered. Such, he believed, would be the effect of that a noble earl had noticed an expression which fell from the treaty ; but, at the same time, he would admit the noble duke as to the conduct of those on that side of that Austria having once signed such a treaty, it would the house, and imputing oppos g to them, by the observations which make it more impossible for her to take any retrograde step, or decline, if it were necessary, to engage in hostili- he had made, a want of the measure. p atriotism in in ties on the side of the Allies. • If the treaty were of the (Hear, hear.) His memory carried him back to thedast w character which ho expected it was, he was sure that Par- war, and he could well recollect that at the beginning of liament and the country would require to go into an ex- the present century, the measures of the Government for the defence of this country were canvassed by all parties amitation of all they had borne and forborne in the hopes of securing such an alliance ; and if steps were not taken with the utmost freedom in Parliament. All classes were by Austria in respect to this war, by the assembling of the then, no doubt, in fear of a foreign invasion, but still the house after Christmas, he thought that the diplomatic late Lord Grey, Mr. Wyndham, the Earl Granville, and all t negotiations on the part of Austria with the Court of the first men of the day, showed no forbearance to the Russia, in reference to the Principalities, must form the Crown in discussing the measures which were proposed— subject of rigid scrutiny. It was perfectly clear that much and pressing upon the house, in Parliamentary language, of our losses in the Crimea was attributable to the course their views of the several measures of ,the successive Go which Austria had adopted—(hear, hear)—and if Austria vernments. (Hear.) As a humble individual, and at a d still held back, this couatry had an account with her which great distance, he it te ided to follow in their steps, an must be settled one way or the other. It was said that he was not prepared to allow any inroad upon the eon we were not to have either a Polish or a Hungarian legion ; stitutional principles of this country. (Hoar.) But noble lords who had expressed their determination to sup and he was quite sure that this country would do all is her power to cement the union with Austria, so that she port the war were to be considered consistent if they re• kept good faith with her. (Hear.) He would ask, by the fused absolute confidence to her Majesty's Ministers with re-assembling of Parliament, to have all these transactionrespect to the measures they might bring forward on their laid before their lordships ; and with that view he would responsibility for the conduct of the war. (Hear.) Between put this question—when it was likely that the treaty supporting the war and supporting the Ministers there was which had been lately concluded by the Allied Powers and one of the greatest difficulties that could exist between any two things. (Hear.) He (Lord Ellenborough) was one of Austria might be produced ; and whether her Majesty's Government would object to lay before Parliament, copies the oldest supporters of this war. Ho supported it long or extracts of the correspondence of the diplomatic or con- before /the noble lord at the head of the Government. sular agents in Turkey, descriptive 'of, or relating to, the He mentioned, in April, 1 8 5 3, that ho was confident politica and military occurrences which had taken place this war was coming on ; that he was sure the Emperor in the Danubian Principalities since the occupation of of Russia never would depart from the position he had those Principalities by an Austrian force? taken when h e sent Prince Menschikoff to Constantinople The Earl of CLARENDON—My noble friend said that to enforce his demands. In the course of the session of he anticipated the answer that I should be obliged to give the bill for altering the Govern am glad to say that I shall be able to give him a more' 1853, ho earnestly entreated their lordships to allow no lug with him with respect to the first portion of his question, but I delay in proceed meat of India, on the special ground that there was danger satisfactory answer than he expected, having received threatening us in the East, and that we should set our intelligence this afternoon from Vienna that the treaty house in order. (Hear.) There was a provision in that was ratified yesterday. I now hold the treaty in my hand, bill for enabling the Government of India to add three re and will lay it upon your lordships' table, and I think it gi— ments to their forces, but so urgent did he (Lord Ellen will be unnecessary therefore, as it will be in your hands borough) see the necessity of strengthening our hands every to-morrow, to go into any discussion upon th a t treaty. where, that he actually laid a bill upon the table contain- With respect to the papers to which my noble friend has ins those clauses, entreating their lordships to pass it; that alluded, I am sorry to say that since he gave n o ti c e of his was in June or July, 1853 ; but his noble friend at the motion last night I have not been able to look through head of the Government thought three months did not sig the papers, in order to det e rmi ne h o w man y s h a ll b e nify, and his proposition was rejected. He (Lord Ellen produced. I can only assur e hi m th a t th e G overnmen t is borough) went much further. He went to the utmost l perfectly ready to give all th e i n f orma ti an it can as to limits of Parliamentary privilege. He asked the house at what was done with respect to the occupation of the Prin- tho.end of that session to delay a bill for the repeal of a cipalities. I am on ly d es i rous th at everything should bo tax—(hear) —by which they could indicate to foreign laid bef ore y our l or d s hi ps . B at I think you will a dmi t powers their intention to adhere to the course they had that at the present moment th ere may bo some icolv. adopted, and atop Russia in her ambitious design. From once in layin g th e w h o l e o f t h ose papers before you, but the very beginning of last session, ho fatigued their lord can assure you that during the recess such of them shall ships by constant references to that subject. He entreated be selected and l a id b e f ore you as w ill g i ve you full infor- them to make the country strong everywhere, in the na v al motion, and convince you th a t th e G overnmen t h as d one as well as the military service; and the Government now e to the house to ask the house to pass this bill, inter everything that lay in its power to do. Du r i ng th e con- e cam ring with a constitutional principle, because they adopted eluding clays of the last session of Pa r li amen t, i n a dd ress - f ins you upon this subject, I sa id th a t th e course which no course, and in consequence of their own rejection of the advice offered them. (Hear.) He (Lord Ellenborough) the dignity, the honour, and th e i n t eres t s o f Austria sa id more. He said, "Be secret; secrecy is one of the pointed out was clear, and th a t I saw no reason t o d ou bt andt r i h abtuttthhi bastions eshatsw course asb ne reasonpouredwouldb e adopted. itnotoantthi ea i Ap L au a ts r et g r e ei ai voluntary l eE u r n x t te a hh r ae y cit con- uheer r great foundations of success in war." (Hear, hear.) But the objects of the expedition to Bomarsund and the Crimea,' to oh a o dy p ee p n o by r opportunities u i t ut i s e e : d w m o t o u u Iscati for weeks before were made known to the public in the b le l an os s t. wo l u h ld at no t t ho be se u m se e d a , n o s r m th i a g t ht h newspapers, and information of the most valuable kind was given to the enemy, and given through the newspapers by Ministers. (Cries of " Oh l" and " Hear.") He was greater exteit I am not prepared not speaking of any particular newspaper ; he was speak• nhss a oterA s au ien t ou:cc:a regard et w mr idwL h aaaot a knors t edtwowhßabaaret moment,ngealal Government,i expected nt w ras o i t t md l n say that that can be no cause of reproach to her Majesty's Government, because you must be - well aware that it is lug of a Cabinet. (Hear, hear.) It was a Cabinet secret, out of the power of the Government to dictate to a great, and in some way or other it became public to the great in jury of the public service. (Hear.) By timely prepara tions they might accomplish any object ; but that was n i y d i ae powerfulrn p ao e gieb n t ih noble erenvoefnunrateittreoimoennry, the Power htlaioesk getcon Hess, like ßra dirwmudi Austria, aain tap, hea:,hsplsneoi neglected ; no timely preparations were made, and In a and must that decline eenow they were again asked, by a humiliating from Austria, I must beg to say that, at the time of the confession of their weakness, to pass this measure. That was the support he had given throughout in this war. He M ethx a pr r ee si l al de St. Arnaud to concert together as tri n carryingn had told them it was a statesman's war—afar-seeing war— e war in its objects popular at first ; but that, unless they that ria. theyT txhe had a constant succession of success, the objects of the The Austrian Government,exe him that they had already meditated an they informedpedtion war were so thoroughly statesmanlike, it would be ex tremely difficult to retain the support of the people. (Hear.) on operations in the Principalities, They had that support now ; but when he looked to the losses we had sustained, and the ignorance of Ministers, fully admitting of course our right to undertakeanye pedition we thought proper, without previous concert and their rejection of th . at advice which had led to those agains t dition p S ro e p b o a s s e t d eP b n y L A an u d st with them, said that they would no longer expect the con- he did not look losses, be confessed forward with much confidence to a long retention of the popularity of the war; sent of France and England to such proposede editionßut not then being in a state to figt Russiaxpsingle-' and which the measure now proposed was so well calcu handed, the Austrian Government then deter • to lated to destroy. (Hear.) Now, as for confidence in augment their forces, and hy withdrawine N e ned Ministers, he never professed any confidence in Minisers, corps he never professed any confidence in them as a war t Go d'arniee from Italy, they occupied such a position as vernment. Ho had stated reasons for a contrary opinion. com pelled the Russians, from strategical tnotives - to evacuate. He admitted their great civil abilities ; he admitted it the Principales. I should wish to remove' preheneions which have existed upon this subject,sememainslPl was very probable that upon most subjects of civil govern ment he might see reason to acquiesce with them ; but think it right, on the present occasion, to stat what th Government really did_ do at the time a ll u d e d to by thee he did think that their constantly looking to the pros nobleperity anti improvement of dhe country was, to a certain lord, namely, on the 14th or 15th of August, before the Austrian troops entered the PrincipalitiesTh extent, the way to prevent them attending to the Con- getio progress of the war, which would naturally very ener vention was steeled with the Porte at the end 'of May much depreciate that prosperity and improvement; and, beginning of June, at the time when the siege of S•list or 1 ma without any disrespect to the noble earl at the head of the was being conductd with groat vigou r , and l e . doubtful, and there was no probability of the Turks issue was Government, he said it was not extremely likely that he being would do a thing well which he so thoroughly hated. able to cress th 3 D.. nabs. The treaty Was • 14th ; the siege of Silistria was raised on Jilegigtlhon the (Hear, and a laugh.) He (Lord Ellenborough) admitted the Ministers wore very clever, and that they all possessed consequently, in August, we saw that eircumstance;s thea ' woo altogether changed ; that the T ur k s had crossed the abilities far above mediocrity , though ver y few of them possessed the great abilities we had seen in former times ; Danube ; that they had occupied Bucharest; lied we then they had all, with one exception, a most extraordinary considered that Austria would have no right, underthe convention, to put any restraint upon the course i l i tiie talent for making good speeches of extraordinary length— Turksas much or more so than any Ministry the country might pursue, and that if any such requisition w made, the Government would not recommend were ever po sessed. (Great laughter.) The only person not the Turks to accede it. We wrote to Lord Stratford possessed with that extraordinary faculty was his noble tinople, that the Government did not wish at Constan- friend at the head of the Governme n t — ( l aughte r ) — if of the Turkish territory to be occu pied b ,:e an any foreign y portion he did possess that faculty, in mercy to the house he spared it—(increased laughter)—and in that respect, if of force, except by the free will and consentthe Sultan, not in any other, he was the ablest Minister that ever and that we should consider that it was for the Sultan to appeared on these benches. But there was great determine whether it would be useful for Austrian to enter the Principalities, and that we should troops public mischief in that very equality of ability which per eider it useful except with the concurrence of t t h e e o l t s e°ll- vatted Ministers—it was the absence of any great corn orte, , manding ability, and the presence of so many very nearly the Turks, and the Allies, and that all arrangements should equal persons in the same Cabinet, which he was convinced be made with their consent. We received -fr the Aus- impeded rather than facilitated the transaction of public trian Government the fullest assurance that no sive occupation was intended, and that no difficulty satin- affairs; and he believed also that as what was called the should be put in the way of the Turks in their ballot was an open question with Ministers, he should of the Russians into whatever part they pleased, (strongly recommend them to introduce it for their own their crossing into B essara bia ; and al so, t h at all arrange- in internal arrangement (a laugh) — to enable them to manta for ente r i ng i n t o W a llachi a s h ould be in conncgeret strengthen their own position. He spoke with no personal with Omer Pasha, and by his consent. Still great corn animosity towards Ministers, but as an experiment ho be plaints arose, and hi n d rances w er e p u t i n the way of Omer- lioved if one-third of their number was swept away it Pasha—(hear, h ear ) —and upon th a t th e strongest remon- wou ld no t s i gn ify one rush, and the remaining two-thirds st rances were made by the French and English Govern- would be quite enough for the business of the country. i t i l ients and by the Porte ; and I am bound to say this that (Laughter.) Now he would take leave to say that in those leelyit.weg met in a proper spirit by the Austrian Govern- distant times when they had great statesmen,.they condes ost of the hindrances thus put in the way were tended to assign reasons for their important measures; not m formedknown to the Austrian Government ; and we were in. and when they produced measures for the national defence, that the Austrian representative at Constantinople they went, he remembered, into the most elaborate details ami acting time . Austrian generals in the Principalities were not as to the strength of the army, even of each corps ; the to them in accordance, with their directions, but contrary success of the recruiting, and every fact known to them b themk and orders in accordance with what was desired selves they made known to Parliament. (Hear.) The French and English Minister were sent by the Em- noble duke gave them no information. If they looked to peror. y There may have been faults on both sides, for the the news p a p ers—and the y now g ot more accurate informa- Austria Ines inn g en erals were occupying certain towns and vii- tion from them than formerly—the y were told of the ex a cou ntry where the difficulties of su b s i s t ence traordinary success of the recruiting. If that was true , were them g reat ; and. they did not therefore . choo se t o l eave so far from its being a reason in favour of this bill , it was not au . tro d • e assigned motives and reasons which they were a reason against it. But he said—and he said it from the P h authorised to d o; w hile, on the oth er hand, Omar experience of past times —that by far the most efficient as ha does not app ear to h a ve had any very distinctmode of strengthening the army by recruits was to main of operations, plan tain at all times si militia full up as to complement and , and the commissioner was not a man to smooth a ' been ses. 7a3' the difficulties. But these complaints having popular in the country. (Hear.) He said, " Strengthen '"'"°, Count Buol, to give proof of the sincerity the militia • do everything you can by every means to the Austrian of increase it 'to the full complement ; make it the foun should be Government, himself proposed that those a. mixed commission at Vienna, and that it should consistof le • dation of your military system." By doing that, they would be able to maintain the national honour and the himself and the French, English, and Turkish national interests by the national arms, and they would of Omer re p r esentatives, who should receive the complaints settle all Pasha, and should have the power summarily to not have to go begging at the ante-chamber of every omatters in dispute. Her Majesty's Government petty prince on the Continent for soldiers. (Hear, consented .„ . t such a commission, and that commission is hear.) Who were those foreigners to be? They were told now sitting. One it would be indecorous to mention the names of any parties ne or two questions have been referred to . it, and I mustuntil the bill was passed, and that no communications tory. I hope, say that the decisions have been satisfac would be made to foreign Governments lilt then. But, he will arise. I stn therefore, that no more cause for complaint would ask, was there any understanding, or was there not? to which I hanot aware that there is any other matter leave occi ion to refer. or were they going to take this leap iu the dark ? The noble THE ENLISTMENTduke had taken one leap in the dark already, but it would OF FOREIGNERS' BILL The Duke • be better not to teke two. Neither he (Lord Ellenborough) of NEWCASTLE in rising house ' , to move that the nor ally one else could object to the passage through this f go Into committee upon this bill said he ,had heard country of a German force; h 3 could imagine it just pos rem Several quarters that there ine out b of doors, foundedupon was an impression exist- Bible that the King of Hanover might, as a sovereign prince, of Derby) what the noble earl (Earl join with the allies, though he might be unable to give who commenced the • stated to be the opposition yesterday, had much assistance with his forces; he should not of to intention of the Government, namely that place under Lord Raglan 5,003 or 6,000 of those magnifi it intended that the militia and the British troops gene- cent troops which, he admitted, had beeu faithful to us in rally s , hould be removed f • this from country for foreign sor- former wars. Under those circumstances, for a short time vice, and that their object in asking for power to enlist no one could object to their being in this country ; but foreign troops o bliged to so removed Ras to supply the p!ace of the Enelishforces they were not told to expect that; they were There was no member of that house who infer that those men who would be in this country would whatever 6 right be his impression as to what • ht be done be persons in princes, and might under the illcourse of our con the Govecould believe thatsuch , y in suppose those soldiers ment ; and he could only say, he must readily niving at th e i r desertion. But duke put them ? and at price allow that, though there was a le'll of brow ht h ssi i 1 y g hero where would the noble . . such afi event, it would be the duty of Parliament Thep to pre- ey were told last night there was that objection to em vent it should any future Governmentnight there attempt so uncon- bodying the militia. They were told last atitutiona . 1 a course. Bat looking to the bill, he was ready no barracks for the ilia Were those foreigners to oc to admit that it - cupy ou r b arrac k s , or lu l w i ere . they to bo billeted ? The noble duke must know that was not to be borne. If there were prosecution of a war of this consequence anal magnitude, I not barracks for those men, it would be ittr sibla to keep It c l.l th a t ver y grea t l a tit u d e i s t o b e g i ven t o th e Govern them in this country, unless, indeed, h e ahead place them Butbegged • ten under canvas. (Hear.) he leave to ask, if meat, and that support should, as far as possible, bo engaged in her Majesty' those men were to be s service, tiered to them consistent with the constitutional principle, why wore they to come here at all ? This was not the and oven at some sacrifice of private opinions. But, in the short way to the Crimea. (Hear, and a laugh.) Round discussion this evening, the very powerful speech made by by London and the Bay of Biscay, was that the way for l my noble friend (Lord Ellenborough)— a speech delivered those aspirants for martial honours and English pay ? with more than all his usual eloquence, ability, and power (hear, and laughter)—was that the way to the Criniea? —has completely disposed of this part of this question, No doubt, when France was in possession of Italy, and and it has never been attempted to bo grappled with by Austria wanted all her subjects, and half Germany was any member of the Government who followed him. The against us, no doubt then it was necessary for such I noble lord the Under Secretary for the Foreign Depart forces to pass through this country. But that was meat took exception to the manner in which my noble not the case now ; their shortest way was by Trieste; I and gallant friend characterised the arguments which wore their best piece would be the lonian Isles. There at once made use of. Now, without meaning to say anything per they could act the part of a garrison; there they could look sonally disrespectful to the noble lord opposite, I must en after those worthy Greeks—(a laugh)—that noble people— tirely concur with my noble friend, that the argument on (laughter)—of whom theyhad read so much in classic story. which he rested his plea—the plea of necessity that was But that was the place to form a depot, and a depot became put forward in such piteous tones to the House of Lords, the reserve of the army. (Hear.) Take your foreigners for the purpose of inducing it to adopt a measure, bad and there if you choose, but don't take them through England; unconstitutional in itself, was a plea degrading to the Go send them to Trieste, thence to the lonian Isles. there you vernment that bri ngs it f orwar d , an d h um ili a ti ng t o th e will have them ready, and no one will object. (Hear.) Ho country to have to accept. (Hear, hear.) And, my lords, (Lord Ellenborough) believed that the more facilities Par- that plea of necessity—of so-called necessity—is not proved liament gave to the Government for tho formation of fo- on the part of the Government. That plea is the only one reign regiments, the less trouble Government would take to on which, contrary to his opinion, contrary to his judg engage home regiments. (Hear.) The whole question was, meat, my noble friend the noble marquis gives the Go raise your bounty and lower your standard. (Hear.) But vernment his vote on this occasion, while he supports all if they followed the principles of political economy, they the views and opinions of my noble friend near me. I would go to the market where they could get the cheapest hope after what has passed, after the alterations which the article. Do that, and they would have expelled English- Government consented at once to introduce the moment men from their army and substituted foreigners; for it ap- they heard a feeling was excited out of doors by the bill— peered to him of all the measures he remembered under alterations which they ought not to have been ready to any Government this was the most unjust, the most inju- make if they had properly considered abill of this momen rious towards a generous and confiding people. (Cries of tons character—a bill brought forward on the plea of ne " Hear, hear.") cessity, and though objectionable, the only remedy for the Lord BERNERS considered the house had not heard difficulties in which the Government is placed. When a any argument why this measure should be adopted, and bill is brought forward of such a character, and under he believed it would repress, instead of encourage, British such circumstances, the Government should be prepared spirit and enthusiasm. At the same time, he protested to vindicate and adhere to every syllable of the bill, if it against the assumption that any peer on that side of the had been properly considered, but the bill has not been house, if he ventured to dissent from any measure proposed well considered, because they do not seem to care whether by the Government, was actuated either by factious mo- the number of troops is 10,000 or 15,000, because they tives or was inconsistent. happen not to have calculated the effect of the bill ; and Lord WODEHOUSE said the argument used by noble on the very first moment of a cry out of doors, they lords on his (the Ministerial) side of the house was, not that are ready to modify and alter it, and I admit to the noble measures proposed by the Government should not be dis- duke, in a way greatly to improve the measure—l hope, I cussed, but that it was hoped that noble lords opposite, say, that these alterati ons , th is su b mission t o opinion out considering the great difficulties which must be met by of doors will, at all events, exonerate myself and my noble any Government carr yi ng on a grea t war , wou ld a pp roac h f r i en d s f rom any c h arge of faction which can be brought those measures with a desire to discuss them calmly, and against us. (Ironical cheers from the Duke of Newcastle.) not make them a handle for appealing to the passions of The noble duke cheers in a very extraordinary manner, but the people, and thereby embarrassing the Government. I ask him whether he does not consider it a matter of for- He hoped the house would be disposed to take a favourable bearance when, on a question involving the deepest inte view of the measure, as these foreigners would be brought rests of the country and great constitutional principles, we into the country solely for the purpose of training, and are satisfied that Government should call Parliament to they would almost immediately afterwards be sent out to ;ether and discuss that measure not 10 days before the the seat of war. He trusted their lordships would only necessary breaking up of Parliament; and in consequence look to the present necessities of the war, and that they of the limited space of time which is allowed for the dia. would not think it expedient to reject, but, on the con- cussion of public business, we not only permit them to teary, to assent to the bill. (Hear, hear.) introduce that measure to which we greatly object, and The Earl of HARDWICKE said the speech of the noble read it a second time without opposition or discussion, and lord who had just sat down was one of the most depress- almost without having it printed, but we allow them to ing character to the feelings of the people of this country. proceed from that most important stage of the bill and go Thenoble lord had stated that the Government were going to the next stage on the following day? I ask, when a to raise a foreign legion from the necessity of the case, that bill of this consequence, upon which there is a material they were obliged to have recourse to this expedient. The difference which the Government itself is obliged to admit expressions which the noble lord had used were of a most —is permitted to pass through the house with so little formidable character, and would go to raise the hopes of consideration on the part of the house, have we not an the Emperor of Russia and depress the feelings, the spirit, answer ready to the taunting cheer of the noble duke op.. and the courage of the people of this country. The ex- posite with regard to the forbearance that has been shown? pressions were the most cringing and degrading ho had I say, if this bill bo justified on the plea of necessity, that ever heard uttered in a British house of Parliament. is a necessity for which the Government ought to be respon- Lord WODEHOUSE rose to order. The words he had sible. The noble lord the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lan used did not deserve such strong observations from any caster, in reply to an observation w hi c h f e ll f ro m m y n oble noble lord, however much he might object to them. It Mention the reduction of our military establishment in a was clear it was necessary to have recourse to a foreign time of peace, thought it necessary to advert to the little legion, because they could not raise sufficient troops to progress which was made during the short time my noble meet the necessity of the case. If they could have raised friend and myself held office, in raising that establishment. enough of their own men, Government would not have My lords, during the 10 months—for that was the extent, introduced the bill. All that his observations implied as my noble friend opposite well knows—during which we was, that as former Governments had so reduced the held office, I venture to say, though Iby no means am strength of the army in times of peace, the present Govern- satisfied we did everything that was required toward the ment, in an emergency, found it necessary to resort to the increase of our military and naval establishments, yet a expedient of raising a foreign legion. He (Lord Wode- greater increase was made in the number, amount, and house) repudiated altogether the strong expressions used efficiency of both the military and the naval departments by the noble earl, and he denied that his words were such of the country than was made in the 10 or -12 years pre that any British peer ought to be ashamed to use them. 'iously. It was not only that we added 5,000 men to the (Loud cries of "Hear, hear," and cheers.) ermy and only 2,000 to the n a vy, b u t I s h ou ld lik e to The Earl of HARDWICKE assured their lordships that know what the Government would have done at this mo he should adhere to the expressions which he had used. He meat if, in 1852, we had not raised, established, and or would not retract a word, as his opinion was that the senti- ganised the militia in spite of much opposition. (Hear.) meats of the noble lord would convey feelings of degrade- It is very well for the noble lord now to laud the militia, tion to the minds of the people of this country, while they and speak of it as an invaluable corps, but did we meet with would convey to the Emperor of Russia feelings of hope. no opposition in our attempts to establish it? (Hear.) The noble lord must know that, in making use of these What predictions of failure—what necessity of having re observations, he (Earl of Hardwicke) had used them in a course to the ballot—what unwarlike spirit on the part of strict sense, and as a member of the British Legislature. the country—what impossibility of carrying out thevolun- The idea conveyed to his mind by the noble lord's speech tart' system in 1852. (Hear, hear.) We have triumphed was a degrading one—it was that the people of England over the opposition in the house ;we found no opposition were reduced to the necessity of being compelled to raise out of doors ; and when we raised the militia to an amount a foreiga legion. No British statesman ought so to have beyond which it has not been permitted to go since, we expressed himself. (Hear, hear.) are told now, forsooth, that we did n o thi ng i n 1852 t o - Lord. WODEHOUSE again rose to order, and complained wards remedying the deficiencies of the peace establish of the noble earl having misinterpreted his observations. meat. Is that all ? I think, if the noble duke is still of The Earl of HARDWICKE said he should not make the same opinion he should consult the noble lord the com any apology, as he had not used words in any sense other mender of the forces • and if he does, I will th an k him to than that which he was privileged to do as a member of inquire what was the state of the artillery guns and the their lordships' house. The arguments in favour of the gun-carriages, and what were the means of carrying on a bill were, that during a long peace the army had been war, if a war came to us within the course of 12 months much reduced, and now that the Governme n t were sud- after our taking office in 1852, and also where the present denly called upon to go to war, they had not the means of Government would at this moment be if no provision had carrying it on without foreign soldiers. He would ask, been made for guns and gun carriages in that year? I will' which was the party in that house who called upon the go further, and ask the noble duke to go to his own First Legislature to reduce the forces. Where sprang that feel- Lord of the Admiralty, and ask him what he thinks of the ing ? Why, in the largo manufacturing towns and the introduction during those 10 months of no less than nine principal seats of commerce in the kingdom, backed by the new screw line-of-battle ships ? (Hear.) I ask, where noble lords and the right hon. gentlemen now forming her would the navy be if it were not for the exertions of my Majesty's Government. Ho objected to the employment noble and gallant friend the Duke of Northumberland, of foreign troops, because he conceived that, as one of the to whom justice has never been yet done ? (Cheers.) I most important features of war was that the taxes which would wish him to put these questions, not on my own were raised were taken from the pockets of the rich and part, but on that of my noble and gallant colleague. I say put into the pockets of the poor, they should be paid to, that within those 10 months more has been done to and go to, the support and assistance of their own people, strengthen the army and navy in a time of peace, and for and not be paid to foreign mercenaries. Th e re could be securing proficiency in case of war, for the administration nothing more detrimental to the spirit o f th e people than of the military and naval establishments and providing the proposition before their lord s hip s . Th e bill wou ld an increase of naval stores, than was d one ' in any previous depress the feeling existing in th e arm y, an d it wou ld years, or even done since until there came th e immediate interfere with the recruiting now going on f or th e and unparalleled pressure' of war. Now we are told this militia. He felt confident that there would be no is a case of necessity, and that war came on us all of a sud difficulty in raising sufficient troops. The state- den, I say that war did not come suddenly upon any one !Rents were made general as to th e en th us i asm o f th e except her Majesty's Ministers. (A laugh.) The whole • people to meet the exigenci es o f th e war . (H ear, h ear. ) world expected a war for the last two years—for the last He could understand that it might be necessary to raise 18 months at all events; and during these months you troops from what had been called the depressed natiouali- ought not only to have been making incessant preparation ties, and he could perfectly well conceive that a bill would and levying forces, but by every means you ought to have be necessary for that purpose ; but he fully believed that augmented the regular army and militia so as to relieve the people of E ng l an d were no t di spose d t o carry on th e war yourself from this degrading necessity, asl contend it 'is, at that rate. He was firmly convinced that the power of of coming to Parliament before the first year is well over, this country, the readiness of the people to support the Go- and saying you. leave not got men to carry on the war with vernment, and the great resources of the country, if pro- oat the introduction of German troops. lam not going perly operated upon, would be perfectly sufficient to bring through the argument as to the means you have of raising the war to an honourable and triumphant conclusion. these German troops—from what quarter you are likely to Earl GRANVILLE said that the noble earl felt great derive them; whether with the consent, or against the disappointment that he was not engaged in the war, yet he consent, or with the connivance of, the respective Bove -1 would, upon reflection, see that the line of conduct which reigns of these petty German principalities. I will not he had just taken was most injudicious and inadvisable to ask whether you are likely, under these circumstances, to take. The course adopted of applying unworthy epithets obtain the best and most valuable troops. This I can say, to the arguments of another noble lord, and the attack that the preamble of the bill of 1801, to which the noble made upon the great commercial classes of the country, duke made reference, thought it necessary to recite that, ought to have been avoided at a moment like the present. whereas there were large numbers of foreigners ready and (Hoar.) It should not be 'forgotten by the noble earl that anxious to take up arms in our cause, and join with us, I the Government of which he was a member a dd e d on l y but could not be admitted into our service without the 5,000 men to the army, and 2,000 to the navy. The argu- consent of Parliament, therefore an application was made meats adopted by the noble earl were those used in 1800, for them, (The Duke of Newcastle made an observation when a simil a r bill was introduced—it was said to be un- across the table.) Have ,you recited that a certain large constitutional, and that 15,000 foreign troops in the coun- number of foreigners, partaking of the same sentiments, try might create alarm. But this was all talk. If the and having the same interests and objects in view as your- Government were to introduce double the number, they selves, aro ready to join you ? would be utterly incapabie of doing the least harm. The The Duke of NEWCASTLE—The other bill recites suggestion of the noble earl,- that they ought to be sent to what we do. the Mediterranean, was much more dangerous. The noble Th e E ar l o f DERBY—If it rec i tes w h at her Majesty ' s earl's spee c h s i m ply came t o thi s —"I support the war, Government do, I confess it will recite very little. (Laugh but Ido not support the Ministers, as they are not the ter.) You cannot recite the preamble of the other mea proper persons to carry it on." Now, the house ought to sure. There 'were then a large body of men anxious and decide this question, and declare whether or not Ministers willing to serve the Government, who knew from whence were worthy of their confidence in carrying on the war, they Would come, to what extent, and the reasons for I The noble lords opposite professed to give their assistance which they could depend upon them, and therefore the to the Government, and yet they attempted t o create an Government asked Parliament to allow them to employ unfounded prejudice against every single measure which those gallant mon. But the present case is entirely dif the Government introduced. (Hear.) ferent. Now, where are you going to get the persons from? stLord VIVIAN should be prepared to vote for the mea- I don't believe you know. I think it is exceedingly doubt sure if he believed there was really any necessity for it; ful whether you will get, even by the consent or against but having heard the noble Duke a t th e h ea d o f the War the consent of these petty German Sovereigns, any valu- Department state that great anxiety existed among the able additions to the British army. But, have you any young men of the country to en li s t un d er th e banners of idea of the numb or you will require? What is the amount the army, he - could not see why, at the p rese nt moment, of your necessity / Without German troops you say you wo should be obliged to have recourse to a band of foreign cannot carry on. the war. mercenaries. They had learnt from the noble duke that The Duke of "NEWCASTLE—The Emperor of Russia sevenfold more recruits presented themselves now than would be exceosilingly glad if I were to tell you. (Hear.) there did some two months ago. The danger of such a The Earl of DERBY—But you have admitted to the measure also weighed in his mind against its further pie- Emperor of Russia that without German troops you evil gross. Ho was ready to do full justice to the bravery of be,unable to maintain the honours of the country. (Op the gallant German legions and the Brunswick troops dur- position cheers.„) The noble duke thinks he has said some ing the last war, and t o a d m it that it was an objectionable thing exceedin , ;I.Y smart ; but whenhe comes to th e House course to avail ourselves of thei r serv i ces; b u t th e c i rcum- of Commons ft; money to pay these men he will be obliged stances then widely diff e r e d f rom th ose w hi c h now ex i sted. to state the amount of his necessity. (Hear, hear.) 1 Wo were then all engaged in a common war against a corn- want to know if n desire 10,000, 20,000, 30,000, mon enemy; all Germany, with the exception of Saxony, 10,000, or 50,04 Germans n ? You will have to tell the joined with us, and, therefore, little objection arose to the House of Commons how many men you mean to take ; and employment of Germans, especially in the state of Bruns- really when you tell me that to state the amount of troops wick, which was under th e ru l e o f th e S overe i gn of th e you require from. Germany is to divulge a secret to the country. If similar circumstances arose he should be most Etnperor of Re , "a, think at the present moment it is a willing to assent to the proposal of the Government; but great secret to the Government to kriow what amount of at present he felt comp e ll e d t o vo t e aga i ns t th e bill, believ- troops they act nally want; still more, what amount they in.' it to be, as he had alre a dy sa id, one o f a d angerous are likely to obtain. (Laughter.) I think it has been character. a stated that Paesliament has considered that the Govern- The Marquis of CLANRICARDE said, as he was in the moat might go ao far as to engage these troops, but not unfortunate predicament of finding himself obliged to vote bring them to R.ngland. Well, I say, why bring th e m to for a bill to ivhich h e saw very great objection, ho wished England ?My noble friend (the Earl of Ellenborough) has to explain the views which guided him to that conclusion, shown quite It acidly that the English channel is not the First, as to the principle, he agreed in almost all the objet- shortest way to the Crimea. You say you don't want to Lions taken to the bill by the noble earl who spoke so forci- keep them iu this country, and I may say here from the bly on the other side of the house (the Earl o f Ell e n. f ee li ng i n th e amentr e e on the subject it is not desirable borough); but when the Government stated, what he that we should see them. If you c h oose t o b r i ng Ger owned he was e inclined to believe, th a t we wanted men for man and Swiss troops into En g l an d , you must take upon immediate action, and that this bill would bring service- y o urselves the responsibility of the act, and ask tho House able men, he owned he could not take upon himself the re- of Commons to pay for them ; but don't ask Parliament sponsibility of rejecting it. Ho entirely agreed with the to sanction the c ourse, and t 0 put its fiat on what you noble earl that the Government had ma d e a v ery meagre h ave done, and. ti lereby admit that it is necessary for the statement as to th e necess it y o f th e measure —(" Hear," h onour an d sa f e t e r of the country to employ these foreign from the Opposition) —but at the same time the refusal of soldiers. My lox cis, this calling in of strangers has been, Parliament to assent t o a bill so forced on their sty r ef from the earliest ages, from the period of the fall of the a very early period of the session would have a most eat from empire d own to the time when that passionate in jurious effect in this country, and he feared also in fore ore vocation was made by Alfieri— nations. He was .quite of the same opinion as the o n " del non suo ferns tints earl, that no such necessity as that alleged by the G vern- Puguar con brascia di stannieri enti ; " ) He (the Mar !flea ought to have existed. (Hear , the surest sign in all countries of the weitkness of a nation, quis of Clanricarcle) was ono of thos h e ea w r. ho,dn th t e he early the most unfailing indication of approaching decay. (Hear, a sur y tl y i a ty r part of last year, spoke of the importan of of the aa b hear.) Ido not "believe that England is in such a state which we were about to enter, and that you would have to encounter the difficulties you seem thinking there would be any peac He rem w em er b e er l e ik d o u ly sin tog 4- to anticipate—tdee raising the necessary amount of troops a word from his own vocabulary, in the country. Sneer, hear.) I have been assured enter into a -disastrous war, though () thatw Si not mean to that at the presee it moment, though you have somewhat express the slightest doubt shoat ( th . results being glorious lowered the standard height of your troops, yet that it and successful to us. H one intiti tonnelonvoey that it would might be lowered considerably further, and that this, with war- T -_ w w d all forth great be a sanguinary an increase of bon nty, would bring a considerable addition exertions, and for which the Government ought to strain every nerve. He unfortunately thought that the bill would to your forces. (Hear, hear.) lam told that even at the pro eat moment you refuse to take any man who has do some harm t° t he enlistmen t of recruits throughout the reached the age. of 30. (Hear.) Well, my lords, you, . (Hear, bear, f rom the opposition.) Though want those men_ at a particular moment, and for a parti country lifted assent to the bill, he considered it to be g i v i ng a qua _ imme unwise, and he should throw the entire responsibility of itperiod cular purpose. 'You want them for the purpose of diate action; you want their services probably for a p upon the Government. The Earl of DERBY —My of rot more there three or four years. Now, I ask the lorle, in the speech of my Government whether a man of 30, in the full power of noble friend I concur almost from beginning to end, but in manhood—in fall' activity of both body and mind—would the the conclusion at which he has arrived lam sorry I cannot not for so brief a- term of service as three orfeu o r n y t ea to rs t li w we n d a a r r e dn heighto sv e n - concur, for that conclusion is contrary to the whole tenour infinitely prefercale to lads of 17 or 18 to send leis speec h . and argument of els speecn. He admits every objection g e , r a. im od ea in — w th a a r t ? p€ ‘ l , E .Et ti e le a n r, ti h a e l a c r li . rate o to the bill on the constitutional ground, and on the bacon- of q the troops, an t i), if nee d be, increase the bounty—in venter:ice and danger of ado tine theiwnerwhthieehsta course u want—that bow many men you you want proposed. H e crease the age of. enlistment; and depend upon it, 'if you tell the country admits that the Government have shown a very meagre • case with regard to the plea of necessity which has been put them to maintain the honour and dignity of the nation — the Government will be able speedily to meet thelexigency. forward. He Rays, as long as the Government asks for (Hear, hear.) Ent if you tell the country its means are troops to carry on the war—so long, whatever the proposi- exhausted—that you must htar)oe found, to foreign troops lion be, I hold that the Houses of Parliament are bound to —that British ars y . p — s ra ca w nn a o nd undisciplionrecT7nanndntohma: you grant the troops which the Government ask for. Now, my ward—that e if you do that, you will take the the feeling of the lords, so long as the Government are acting in the discharge extinguishing c s a urest — m thn ei rtit ns t'iiit o e f hel7rrae country — of their Government duties, and more especially in the that spirit whi eh is now altogether with you. Do not do 4 duct as well as to their undoubted bravery. The test of a soldier's conduct is not only in the town that he has sacked, but also in the country in which he is encamped. a t p h o e p ß ul i a i t t l i o sh n alien Theconduct i t o s f s of a r t e r l o i o s p i o s n i n, givesß u l a r p i r a o , o a f m t o h n a g t soldier is as distinguished in camp as he is brave in battle. I have, at various periods of my life, taken a deep interest, like most of your lordships, in reading the records of the great battles of my country ; but I cannot bring to my re collection one'which, in my humble judgment, surpasses this in the distinguished conduct of the soldiers. I have, stated, my lords, that these are not only my sentiments, tint that they are likewise the sentiments of the Sovereign (cheers) —as they are, no doubt, the sentiments also of all your lordships. Her Majesty has been pleased to sig nify that approval by conferring a medal upon all the sol diers, and others, to be inscribed with the word "Crimea;" and, following general precedents, clasps also are to be con ferred for the two great battles of Alma and Inkerman, and those names shall in future be inscribed on the colours with the names of those previous victories gained by the regiments who have again distinguished themselves. It is further my duty, my lords, to ask you to pass a vote of thanks to the naval officers who rendered their assistance and evinced the greatest devotion to the service of their country and the moat honourable interest in the sister ser vice during the engagement. I know that no person more than Lord Raglan and the soldiers under his command feels how much the country is indebted to the navy for their services on this expedition. I will not dilate upon their services, but I have only to add that the seamen and marines, as much as the officers of the navy, de serve your lordships' consideration, and I will ask your lordships to accord a vote of thanks to them. There are two other services which it is not usual to include in votes of thanks of this nature, and I do not intend to ask your lordships to depart from existing precedents. I cannot forbear remarking on what is due to a large body of seamen who are not engaged in her Majesty's service, but who have zealously fulfilled their duty in this under taking. I allude to the officers and men of the transport service at the disposal of Government. Their services were most indefatigable and deserving of every acknow ledgment. The other body of men to whom I refer are the medical men of the army. I speak not now of the medi cal organisation, of which so much was said the other evening, but le t say, in justice to those persons, that never were greater exertions used—never greater humanity evinced—than by those medical officers. I will only ask you to recur to the services rendered by Dr. Thompson. He was left, under circumstances of the most painful na ture, on the field of battle ; net to attend to the wounded of his own army, for they had all been removed and cared for, but to a large body of Russians, many of whom thought an Englishman little less than a devil, and were prepared to murder the man who came to their assistance. Ho attended to their wants, although left alone, and ho bound up the wounds of hundreds under circumstances of great danger to bis life. Nevertheless, he escaped safe and came back to service in the cause of his' own army; but it pleased Providence to remove him two or three days after his arrival, partly in consequence of his extraordinary exertions, and partly through the disease from which he was suffering. (Hear, hear.) Although it is not according to precedent to include such men as these in the vote of thanks, it is not for a Minister of the Crown, under such circumstances, to forget all mention of them. I am, how ever, about to ask your lordships on this occasion to de part somewhat from the precedents usual in cases like the present. We are called on to accord a vote of thanks to those who have served their country, but I regret to say that there is a large body of those who left this country high in expectations and confident of success, but who are not now within reach of bur mortal thanks. Though their names, my lords, are not on the list presented to your lordships, I am convinced that theirs are names which are not to be forgotten. in the midst of triumph deep sorrow has been occasioned, and were I to look round at present I know some are listening to me who aro bear ing the outward symbols of that grief which preys upon their inward heart at the loss which they have sus tained. I think that your lordships would not con sider it unbecoming to depart from precedent so far as to express our regret of the loss of those noble men, and to vote words of condolence to their relatives. The noble duke then referred to Sir George Cathcart, whom it was impossible, he said, not to recollect on this occasion. I have had the happiness to become acquainted with that gallant and noble man by official communications, and I never was more struck with the ability of any man than that of Sir George Cathcart in his official correspond ence during the year and a half that he was Governor at the Cape of . Good Hope. I had believed that that man would have taken a kigh position by his abilities, and would have been of the highest value to his country and in the service of his Sovereign. (Loud cries of "hear, hoar.") He now sleeps with others upon the hills of the Crimea, but I am confident that their names will long be honoured in the remembrance of their country, and will be handed down on the records of English history. I rejoice, my lords, that on this occasion we are able to extend pur vote of thanks beyond the usual extent. We have had on this occasion an Ally such as it has rarely been oar good fortune to possess in any former war. (Hear, hear.) I propose to your lordships that we should vote our thanks to that gal lant army which has shared with ours in its labours and its triumphs, beginning with that eminent man who un dertook the command at the commencement of the opera tions, and including him who has so nobly succeeded him. Marshal St. Arnaud, as is known to your lordships, left his country to take the command of that army with the conviction that a malady was upon him, and that it would be impossible, in all probability, for him ever to r e t urn a li ve . He showed t he greatest devotion to the service of that army, and I have it from various private litters of Lord Raglan that he carried on his operations in a spirit of tho most complete harmony with him, and indeed might have been serving in tho save army or brought up in the same ser vici. Marshal St. Arnaud left, on the 7th of September, the shores of Varna with the English. forces. In the course of the short voyage to the opposite coast he became so se riously ill that an officer communicated to Lord 3.3.ap,1an that it was impossible that ho could ever laud. He never theless rallied ; Ito mounted his h orse, and although re peatedly at the battle of Alma obliged to dismount from his extreme suffering, he remained at his post, and pe rished, it might be said, in the houir of victory. General Canrob3rt succeeded him in the command, and his noble conduct and his frank and generous bearing have endeared him to the British army as much as Lord Raglan. They all respect his military talents—they admire him as a sol dier, they respect him as a man. Let messy that we pro pose to add to the vote the name of.' General Bosquet, the second in command. (Cheers.) He' has been brought into more especial contact with our troops ; he has served with the English troops on our right, anti I can say from know ledge derived from the most auth antic sources that our troops look on him as if he were a general in our own army, and that they would follow him to victory as readily as any officer possessing a.% present a commission. Such has already become the go s-d feeling and affection and concord between the two forces. I should also say that I propose an equal vote of thanks to the French navy, in a similar manner as to our own, for the distinguished services which they have rendered, and the assistance which they have afforded in all these operations. (Hear.) Both the army and the navy of France being allied in the same effort as ourselves, I am confident that your lordships will feel yourselves mingling in t heir emotions of enthu siasm, and will as readily afford. your thanks to these foreign officers as to your own. Now that I have made this motion I will leave it in your lordships' hands. Were it not that I am certain he is prepared to do so, I would invite the noble earl opposite to second the motion which I have now proposed. It has been: my fate, during the two years that I have had the houtour of a seat on this side of the house, to be frequently in collision, impar congressus, with the noble earl. I am certain that, upon this occasion, we shall be as 'completely united as any two peers on this side of the touse. I invite with the confidence that it will be accorded, his fervid elo quence to strengthen my feeble cowl so, to call on your lord ships to give this vote your most u manimous approval. I am confident that yon will unanimmrsly record your admi ration and gratitude for services re udered by these united forces who have added fresh lustre leo the military fame of England and Prance. The noble clet2ce concluded by mov ing the following resolutions:— " That the thanks of this house be given to Field Marshal the Right Hon. Lord Raglan, Knight Grand Cross of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath , for the energy and operation, distinguished and o af herdcisiaelo ability with which ha has conduct e d th e Majesty's victory b o fo rcestit dover the Crimea, tthe n efoenay, r the brilliant s army on the Alma, and the sintal. defeat of a force of , vastly That superior th e thanks n numbers ks o thison the househe i g ii.t. l o r a t, given gi o v : e: tlGnt Grand Inkerman. i n di e a lci n tre . a as u ot i General Sir John Fox Burgoyne, the Most Honourable Order of the Birth. ' "To Lieutenant-General Sir Geocrgo Brown , Knig ht Commander of the Most Honou ra bl e 'O r d er of the Bath. "To Lieutenant-General his Royal Highness the Duke of Cambridge, Knight of the Most; Noble Order of the Garter. "To Lieuteuaut-Gonoral Sir Da Lacy Evans, Knight Commander of the Most Honourable Order of the Bath. "To Lieutenant-General Sir Bias.] •d England, Knight Commluder of the Most Honourable 'Order of the Bath. " To Lieutenant-General the Earl cxf Lucan. "To Major-General the Earl of Cal,iligan. " To Brigadier-General, now Major-General the Hon. James York Scarlet. " To Major-General Henry John William Bentinck. "To Major-General Sir Colin Ca? Lphell, Knight Com mander of the Most Honourable Ordcir of the Bath. • "To Major-General John Lysagh.:t Pennefathor, Com panion of the Most Honourable Order •of the Bath. "To Brigadier-General William J• o hn Codrington. "To Brigadier-General, now M a jor-General Henry Wm. Adams, Companion of the Most:.Honourable Order of the Bath. "To Brigadier-General, now Majtra-General Sir John Campbell, Bart. _ "To Brigadier-General, now Major -General Geo. Buller, Companion of the Most Honourable ( :irder of the Bath. "To Brigadier-General, now Ma sor -General William Eyre, Companion of the Most Honoii rallies Order of the Bath. "To Brigadier-General, now Maj or-General Arthur Wellesley Torrens. " And to the several other officers fc.r their zeal,intrepi dity, and distinguished exertions in he several actions in which her Majesty's forces have be e a engaged with the enemy.. ,‘ th a t this house doth highly acl a towl edgeth n od e is ir t t i h n. e guished discipline, valour, and exertic cis displayed by the non -commissioned officers and soldiers • f thearray n a command of F.-M. Lord Raglan, in all 'the operations in the Crimea, and that the same be signified. - to them by the com manders of the several corps, who is: re desired to thank them for their distinguished and galls e .t behaviour. " That the thanks of this house be gi': - veu to Vice-Admiral James Whitley Deans Dundee, Cont, panion of the Most Hon. Order of the Bath; to Rear-Aik .niral Sir Edmund Lyons, Knight Grand Cross of the Mali :, Hon. Order of the Bath, and to the several captains and: officers in the fleet under the command of the said Vice-Al, 'lmiral, and also to the officers of the navy and marines mut iloyed on shore in the siege of Sebastopol, for their indefai .igable activity and exertions in conveying her Majesty's land forces to the Crimea, in effecting their disembarkm: Lion, and in co-ope rating with them during the siege of Se bastopol. "That this house doth highly emir Are of and aeknow kelp the services of the seamen and i ai .rines on board the ',hips under the command of Vice-Adu ki ral Dundas, and also of the seamen and marines employed , n i shore in the siege of . Sebastopol, in their indefatigable a ci .ivity and exertions l e l"nveying her Majesty's land fore a i to the Crimea, in ~ue e l e n t ine their disembarkation, and iut co-operating with 0.1 .. inTo ( gh lu at r th i te n ,h g ia t h h e siege of Sebastopol, nes d that the captains r th e several shies do signify the same,' to their respective i crews. and do thank them for their psi iseworthy and gal , lent conduct. I , d t;i: try, and fePerl:4dri 1 tinnished valour acknowledges, and conduct of thesis who have perished wall . admiration, the dis struggle in the sere ice of their coma- That the thanks o friends. deep sy ~ mpathy with -1,1 teir relations and assistance peos hou it s i e on lai given to General Canrobert and the Prefut saccessful co-operation with for their gallant and the attack on the enemy' her e M a- es in r c. s lp q * tt l Y I i A n a Ming l a ndDl the a, e ffo n or e r m eteh y sei a inr t energetic and timel y Inkerman, and for their distinguished exertions, in co mon with her Majesty's troops, in the siege of Sebastopol; and and that Field-Marshal Lord Raglan be desired to convey 1 to them the present resolution. " That the thanks of this house be given to Admiral Hamelin and the French navy for their cordial co-operation with her Majesty's fleet in conveying the allied forces to the Crimea, in effecting their disembarkation, and in the siege of Sebastopol ; and that Vice-Admiral undas be de sired to convey to them the present resolution." The Earl of DERBY—My lords, having, upon a former occasion, taken an opportunity to express, feebly and in adequately indeed, but most sincerely, my deep sense of the debt of 'gratitude which this country owes to those gallant and distinguished men of every rank in our army, to whose efforts we owe the great and brilliant successes achieved by their arms, I should not have thought it in cumbent on me to say a single word, nor should I have risen on this occasion had it not been to give to the noble duke and to your lordships the most convincing proof of mydesire—though, unfortunately, opposed to her Majesty's Government—to express, on my own part, and on the part of those with whom I have the honour to bo connected, our entire and cordial acquiescence in the motion now made. The noble duke, in his appeal to me, has done in justice to the manner in which be has brought the subject under the notice of the house ; for, in no lengthened ad dress to your lordships, he has most clearly, most simply, and with the truest eloquence, because it was the elo quence of the heart, enumerated with official authority those services for which he calls upon you to give your willing tribute. (Hear, hear.) I feel, therefore, that the appeal of the noble duke is one with which I can not comply without exposing myself to the charge of overweening presumption. I concur, and lam sure your lordships all will concur, in the vote of thanks which the noble duke has moved to the distinguished officers whom he has mentioned, as also to those whose names, from the impossibility of enumerating all where all are best, are of necessity omitted. I concur with him, and without following the indication which he has given to contrast the achievements of the army with the deficiencies which some may perceive in the provisions made for them by the Go vernment. Their deeds require no such contrast, their achievements need no such adventitious colouring, and this is not an occasion on which to awaken the memory of such shortcomings. Let us be content, my lords, on this occa sion to award our tribute of sincere admiration and grati tude to those men who, under whatever difficulties, have so nobly sustained the honour of their flag, and most gal lantly maintained the arduous struggle in which they were engaged. It falls very naturally to the part of the noble duke in the position which he occupies to enumerate by name some of the most distinguished commanders anti leaders. I speak with no such authority, and it would be presumption on my part to speak in such detail, because from the highest to the lowest, from that gallant and dis tinguished officer who had the advantage of enjoying the confidence of that great master, the Duke of Wellington, and who has proved himself a worthy pupil of that emi nent school ; from that distinguished Prince, who has added another title to his royal blood, who has shared the soldiers' labours, privations, toils, and dangers, and the latter to an extent and degree which may be thought im prudent—from these : the one by his high position in the army, the other by his position in social rank, and his con nection with the royal family of this country, down to the humblest in the British ranks—all were actuated by the desire to perform that first object in the mind of every Eng lishman, to perform unostentatiously, indeed perseveringly, firmly, and unhesitatingly, their duty, and that in the hour of greatest peril and privation, satisfied thatthese perils and privations would not be lost on tho gratitude 3f the country, and that the admiration, if not thanks, of the Sovereign, the Parliament and their countrymen, would be freely,given to these who had undergone such perils and privations, and who had achieved such successes. (Cheers.) The navy, it is true, on this occasion, had not had an opportunity, with respect to this particular service, of distinguishing them selves en their own element ; but whatever it was in their power to accomplish has bean accomplished with a zeal and an activity which contrasts not unfavourably with any for mer achievements in the history of that gallant service; and when I speak of the achievements of the navy on their ele ment, I must not forget to mention, and I do so with satis faction and respect, those volunteer exertions of the gallant seamen and marines not at sea, but assisting their fellow heroes of the other service in sustaining the toils and dan gers of the land service also; and I believe that for the ad dition of the marine artillery, the army would not be slow to acknowledge the debt of gratitude which they owe them. My lords, the noble duke has said that he was about to enter into a course somewhat peculiar, in expressing the condo lence and feelings he has experienced in looking back to the lamentable losses we have unstained, and contrasting the present state of the army, and looking through the lists and observing the melancholy gaps that have been made—and made in our own observation— in this, and that, and many families. If it be an irregular course on this occasion to mingle with our thanks and honours to the living our re grets, and admiration, and respects for the dead—surely, if that be adeviation from common practice, no one of your lordships' house will blame her 35tajesty's GovernMent. (Hear.) Perhaps their hearts were more deeply . engaged even than in rendering honour to the living, in giving the tribute of their sympathy and condolence to the relations of those who had fallen so gloriously. (Hear, hear.) It will not be doubted that I concur with the noble duke in the expression he has given to the feelings with which her Ma jesty's Government have seen and appreciated the honour able and noble support given to the armies of this country by the troops, military and naval, of our faithful ally. I believe we had full reason, as we had full reason before hand, to appreciate, under very different circumstances, the valour of the French troops and the French seamen. We have never had an opportunity in which we were made more conscious of that valour or more sensible of the advan tages attached to their services. Though, on former occa sions, we were made to feel sensible of it, now, I rejoice to say, these two great nations, side by side, have carried on the operation of their arms in the prosecution of a just and honourable war with every prospect of ultimate suc cess. I rejoice that the noble duke has taken this oppor tunity of doing justice, not only to the memory of the late French Commander-in-Chief—not only to that distinguished man who succeeded to the command of the army, but also to that general in the French army who has boon brought , into more immediate connection with the English troops than any other, and whose assistance, both at Alma and Inkerman, has been invaluable to the British arms. (Hear.) But while I participate as cordially as any man can do in acknowledging the services rendered by that army, I put it to her Majesty's Government not as a matter of reproach, but I should be glad to hear from them that they have themselves considered whether there is any pre cedent in this country for returning thanks to the troops of a foreign prince— The Earl of ABERDEEN—Yes, after Waterloo. The Earl of DERRY—My lords, it had occurred to me that the thanks of the British Parliament, however it might be most becoming that we should recognise on the part of the Parliament and the country the obligations we owe to our foreign Aides yet lit might have the appearance of usurping a place Which did not properly belong to ns, of passing over the Sovereign tf those troops, and that the thanks of Parliament, when conveyed to the subjects of another Sovereign, might, however gratifying to the troops themselves, appear to be an interference with the internal duty and allegiance of those troops to their own Sovereign, which I am sure is the last thing intended by the vote now proposed by her Majesty's Government. I rejoice to find there is a precedent for such a course, and such being the case, even the slight hesitation I might have felt, not at the substance of the motion itself, but at the form in which it is proposed, is altogether done away with, and I am glad to be enable to agree both with its form A nd sub stance. I trust the Government will not think that my having noticed this point showed in the slightest degree a desire on my part to bo captions, or to introduce any diffe rence of opinion upon the question. To all of the British generals, to the British soldiers, to our admirals, and our navy, to the navy and army of France, as well as to the arms of England, this country owes a debt of gratitude which it cannot easily discharge. It is easy to vote the thanks of Parliament, and in doing so, although I think these thanks ought to be reserved for great and signal oc casions, because if given too frequently they will lose some portion of their effect—depend upon it, your vote of thanks will be deeply appreciated by all those gallant men upon whpm you confer it. They will consider it a glorious and honourable compensation for all they have undergone, all they have suffered, and for all they have achieved, and they will consider it—and I trust the thanks of Parliament, embodying the thanks and gratitude of the country, will always be considered by those who carry o ur fl ag i n f o reign countries—not only au honourable compensation for the past, but an honour able incentive to endeavour for the future even to eclipse their former deeds by deeds of greater valour and greater daring.- (Hear.) p i pi i e E s s t s h a id t ey fe ha i ta t t he h e e pe joined rfe with e t th T. ei h r e lo E rd ar sh l lordships th ß e p h W a C suc cess which had hitherto attended our arms in the Crimea. He thought, however, the services in the Baltic had been of a most arduous description, and that while they passed a vote of thanks to the fleet in the Black Sea, they ought not to be unmindful of the exertions of the navy in the Baltic. Viscount HARDINGE said that he should be doing great inju3tice to his feelings if he were to omit expressing the great sense he ontertaiuod, he might say, tho gratitude ho felt, towards Lord Raglan and the army which his noble friend had proved himself most worthy to command. That noble lord might, if ho had been a man of less energy and determination, havepausedbafore ho undertook an expedi tion of such difficulty, but he did no such thing. He at once entered into the views of the Government. His noble friend on that occasion, before even a man had landed in the Crimea, discovered the very greatest ability in the instruc tions he issued for the landing of the army. Upon that occasion Lord Raglan had had all the happiness which a commander ought to have, except that his great master was not in their lordships' house to eulogise his conduct. (Hear, hear.) He (the noble viscount) would not attempt to enter into a discussion of the merits of individuals in the army ; he would merely state that the discipline of the army and its intelligence and courage had been equally shown 'both iu attack and defence. (Hear, hear.) He felt, he could do no more, after the able speeches of the noble mover and seconder of these resolutions, than express his extreme satisfaction that a young army, of which two thirds might be said to be mere recruits, should have acted with so much firmness and determination. The Earl of MALMESBURY thought this was one of those days which the youngest member of their lordships' house would not fail to remember to the latest hour of his existence. It was one of those days which made them proud of the land they lived in—proud of their fellow countrymen, of whom they each formed au unit themselves --and proud, of those deeds which they had heard of in history, but had not had the happiness to behold. He could not let that occasion _pass without saying afew words as to the gallant deeds of the Commander-in-Chief, Lord Raglan. Of course be (the noble earl) should not enter into detail, but they were not so much surprised at the honours conferred upon his noble friend when they recol lected that the victor of Alma and the originator of the flank march to Balaklava was a pupil of the great duke, and that Lord Fitzroy Somerset was the great duke's favourite soldier. (Hear, hear.) Their lordships all re collected the ardent nature and high spirit of another noble friend cf his (the Earl of Malmesbury's), who had per formed extraordinary deeds of arms in the light cavalry charge at Balaklava. The Earl of Cardigan, who had ever been held in great estimation by his gallant soldiers, had evinced the highest qualities in the field. (Hear, hear.) When they looked at the list of officers, to the number of 307, who had fallen in action, he felt that it was impos sible to withhold the highest meed of praise from those brave men. He felt they would no longer be told that the officers of our army were only fit to figure on parade or loiter through the streets of country towns. The letters which they had written to their mothers, and wives, and reflectedsisters, highestby handscre credit talmost them, and red-handed., proved e f d r ot e m h battle, e r e something more than mere machines. Having spoken of the letters which had been written by soldiers, he could nit but call their lordships' attention to a letter which had