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l 'e inlet t Ppree„ i ti c il , of the whole of the Irish clergy—the most 11. o.c lat 4 of his Nlajes-y's sulijeets. ien u l r d n ° NNELL • Pill that th e present discussion t plai n °' i ' le Persi,oed in.—( Oh, oh.) It ever there was for,,,,Pr'llisition, th it was one—that the Bill then be• tile in , in laid tax.—( Heir, hear.) When they heard e at „% 4 ItY with which the ' former, and a less strong ahnuid :„, ar e "ed t he thought they should feel alarmed, and ee tich ..., 4 , , , time to conside r befor e they ami t itt d a course ced, t m ig h t lead to more inniiv oions. It S. , strong a pre of the rouse made of the Curates' Salaries Bill in favour I/111 ;0: 4 th eY were pursuing reg ading the present 'mileca,,, ' would not Ise made rit the present Bill in future "t iti „ 1 they found in eleven sections of it the word if 4 ever lis could never regret doing a public duty, iut Peep, 4 grettial it it was then for he did not wish to b ., 4 ? th ' h t i h ' enutch Reform B 11 :but he wished to know ,11111,:Ur!Litr Was committed. (Cheers and laughter.) al izon ' v nit line of the preamble it W,9 cared a tax, and in ki t oni t ery section after they would find the same; but l debt, d Y n t hat, but it was mime a preferable claim over al k4 e to his Majesty's subjects ; so th it it was put on kg. 'e fucti eg tviih the debt due toy subjects to the . retc hed ii A , 'd it this were so, how happened it that it eto , 'second reading without the blunder being t law it he tail e d 11 " w came it to be overlooked ? What could c if hi A f . but a tax? If it were to be paid by one class t", I):,:.aPtY'ssulij.cts to another and not only that, but niteetii: annually out of their property—what was it to Ater Balm if° °t a tax? As for the augmentation of the ce fortnatalaries, that was merely a penalty for the non-pr• „Ns 4 t c „ e „ af d uties ; but, if the y were to extend the prlo ritli 4 - 1 " e Bill then befor e them, what would future th 14 4 4 4 n 0 41 50y ?-- (Cheers.) ' He was sorry to votewi 0.. ev e , voii Were cheering him ; but the circumstan c e t k*.t ao til!Wlth them would not prevent him from ma ki ng ..diai P r inti,i r what he considered a great constitutio nal 11,.`;;*--(Cheerte) 41 ' -It RVME maintained that the present was not d a a 1 W4 ' like a Turnpike Bill, which really impose eite gy ttliWe4•l ha . erely intended for the general benefit of the Lom .._opseives, l''troduejti°liN RUSSELL did not think . that the bring tllir Bill ti f the word " tax" was sufficient t o (L ord j w i th in He the rule laid down by the House. 1 . 114a ' ie ll) thought, however, that the . case of t le thell'e,enliary Curates Bill was strongly in point.. It . te as l ia risl) Puvid e'll that if a clergyman did not reside in i Itti tt i; he S hould Pa.), so much, and that was, therefore, g . 13 1i t . ix ' The Hon. Gentleman then cited the case lit 4 t h e " Introduced fir raising eightprnce in the poun d Villi t h hPurposes of the new metropolitan police, sn I tti tee all r‘beol granted as an ordinary Bill, without re fe r teas t" `-'ortitnittee of the whole House ; but, howeve r,_ Pt 'ettl a til l ue stiita of the utmost importance as a matter of lila ( I' ' ' l 'd he should therefore be very happy to have /t.iliclosi'ea„"irt extended, so as to insure the opinions and ir - 1 ;n the whole House. P ti , "e a ,PR;ERT INGLIS contended that this Bill im i tor, ' , attn. ' • • the property of t 1 5,., Lt tax on distinct property— . l!'er e Pr? 1 and, therefore, unless the Solicitor-Gener o il . tie Xinf,.1444 to show that ' the clergy were riot a c l as s I be eii,,s°llects, this Bull was clearly a Tax Bill. He tiptely .311INGTON wns of a different opinion. t :at chic wis ed with every Hon. Member who ha r d spok en, ues. 'tin w '' Wati a case of considerable di ffi culty. T he q f 11 , k etaj a v It Whether the p re sent was a Bill which must, o -.(It ? i n t " citiginate in Conimittee of the whole House or ail!? -,tOther words, a whether ; .t was or was not l a c T o a h x_ t 41 ,441 that Right Hon. Member for l'amworth ha d n' t eror„ I t Was essentially a Tax Bill, and e no tiul w d ,oie Niu e ' ertjiatiate exce pt from a Committee of the O h is Ik4 iti . i , ,1"' Ri ght Hun. Baronet, in support of t beta bade cited several alleged precedents or stan din g ..ter la qt q t he II • id be therefore necessary tn. it t h,, ouse—it wou ld - N. - t4t erpletati on put by our predecessors on those 141 tird 1 ' 4,0 when he looked at the precedents brought d r , ° 'ett, 11 ,Y the Right Hon. Baronet, he felt considerableßill. ' - '4e g ri 4 '' their validity , referable to the presi nt . f, -, the,. as in Westminster th e e precedents related to a tax Now, to this alleged Prectd 141,08-s of the police. as it c ould tie lir, l i 't", he had very strong doubts whether ca _ sein tlitt g : t to heir effectually on the present Bill, b u ,. ~,, 4 'el 1,1.44, t here were • rtain st inip diiiies to be . imp s tu n '''el ' q u a d, 0 1 Course, certain at nip dri'ies to be i u npsed. POsed a tao '° Course, uiever heard of statnp_dut w ie n s bei ,T ne_ i dui clo t 'l a ' !l' t a" a tax for the service of the Ut o . ne iill4:-;,',,-w47,:,,,t,heao?er pr , e m e e edent cited, arising out of the r satisfactory than the former. 14:3ntation a mo s ur n it Y ed t t n o this, was the money propos e d to 4 ' , 1 to be appropriated to the service of the could the tiiit:4l'), to it to b e p in this way— tals,, ee of the whole House prove t t h a a x t ; th n e r m ic i e in a eY i t . %us , t ° Ott, fro4l cer tainportions of the clergy was to P. I I ` l a 4 other v, L 4 1411 "4,1 ecclesiastical purposes ? There was to be Net latl c'a of certain property, and an impo-t t u p on i, a `n b Pi.°Perty uf o r class of the clergy, for the rei .... fi he , g il. 4 ,,:,, an tgge of another branch ot the clergy' ' I .. 41 )11., -..4 l ea! d a M ber, after a few other oiiserva l i 'rk ti e t' l . t i ll ' H n on e . B ' t e t i o n net's , argument, called upon t he ~.1 t R,"„ r his .pinton. 4 4 ' • ''''''.ARlElt ~id the que-tion was whether . a c i e h r : il t 444 ti 4t , ° ° ro ' erty could be con•iidered as Corn ust -tat ' -, head P "taxes" or not. The House In t I), 1 t ';; ',4l, " t " a dear understanding of what was inean i edit 01. Wiz 4ee " r didi to former orders un •er . . that i the Iltil ' 1 4411., he took it to mean the imposition on - „ a t' t ' t ' a dY of the subj ects, or particular pertions o them, ofthe 4 , ti'l.,a.° Payments, th i• fur tie general service nkt.: ?i Or for certain ei' special purp oses. The House would it t , sn toed air' . rat * ier whether or not .1 Li their delibe ' l / 4 ti,,,,,, cattle under this denomination. ,It to ' b the proposed abolition of Church Cess would form ` l, e 11 . 1 l'lont in directing their judgment to whet her al,. giving an ti l'iri 4 , 4 ,eiluld be considered a 'lax Bill. As 0,._,,.. l''‘lti ns • !` 1 genelal as to tile propriety or impropri ety .. r the b, • - iti o , • o it swore within 1 -4 4 in ,or whether in his opine , SO Pee t g ° t Public taxes or not, t e House of cou h r e ser , l v i , d dd r , i i o d : thertina°Y t . ucla from him, in his situation ; ai nu e 4' ,Oneittde his observations by repeating u . h . s d . e n fi d.. - ta) ,ttis li i h if a tlx---that it was Ihe levylni.: of eel tal o n n t any this ° f th e the whole body of the subjects, or utpr put ii l i ole, ~theni, eith e r for general purpose', 'T , ' te - 1,' "( r: beyond the interests of that particular class Ir 'loin it !hay be levied• , i/ ill a „ II tPAIE - • , • 1 • opinion, considered this certainty, in his +Jil , - Nem hdi the meaning of a . Tax Z l 4 :4,, :h i , t i li e at i l i i t ) P s i b e u c t l i:ld dY th u e s h r i e t to.e come before a Comaiittee to 4,111 5 ,,, , 1 _ use, just L (vas tascertain as any tither questiun d e, t on, t(i : . ' Means. There . k Y k '', levied on the pensions of _ the clergy, which N Y a , t ileri u ,, a 4 111 ch a direct tax as the . thity upon s sap or Of / 3 7' lli t - N at nnaodity. At the same time, d he would sub. ar i li la„ , ° We Lord that there were numerous prec i e i d o e a n dde rs , ',ten the el „ ''' f • it" a Cototnittee of the whole t°l , 4ti t) : ": L eire r ( e ad a second tune ; and whaieverre * I I t7 I , -Tht b en made by the House thus in Committee, i i a .. 4 e ' 4,l Be in eorp r orat e d into the Bill. He thoughtthe r and 8 ( Nally competent t o id do . this on the present Lord A u t eh a course he shot recommend. L'lne i - ‘ l l - 101IP thought it extremely d i sirable that on 4 Nlld 4t- h °4 °f such great political innporance, the House 4 ,kt , ,, 4v e fuil time allowed them before they came to a ' e adi, ' "' He shotud therefore prop ise that the second l' h ! of th e Bill be postponed to some day next week. 14.,(lUestion was put. tilt 1, 4 J. RUSSELL -aid that thought it was correct, as bed '"n• Mem ber for Middlesex had stated, that instances iitl: )t nairedof Committees of the whole House sitting . te ~,,"ll after its second reading, yet these were only in '' ' d ents rate Committees, in easel where the tax was inci :l 1 6t . 1 1 , 11 1 the course of the Bill, and not when the object of aj r ° °le Bill was a tax. Thor LIU nE , eplied. is elti SP EAKER corroborated the statement of the b -' Lo . D e vo nshire. The question ' i- • tt, -1. .., the Member fur tit gt I.' Plesent Bid, whether the large part—the promi -4 t ki 5411 We 1 the Bill—did not assume the character of I\4l4`tead of a regulation. Iv 4, i I tIAIE had considered the great object of the Bill 'lt h t r,'' r edu :Con of the bishoprics, and the reformation l'4'4l 'e s' t hu a re h ,L b l y --- turning immense sums of money in L l 6 R e h n annel t 6 6e said, that this would not appear to be 4, 41, t v , • Lot t ',' liv object, according to the preamble. il e 1 ~,lIE (us we understood) said the preamble was 1, 0 „lr 11:i,,•-• (A laugh.) th:tli, v..EL slid, that the House, in an ordinary way, ~" th t,'"re enlightened on the subject by Monday next I St. ° u etcsvt're enlightened I ould therefore, be ot little use . ` l. l" ;: r, 4_ ll . illn g . tponc t ..l ‘ , v , unles ' s, as lie should suggest, a 44 ' I Aiinntee of Precedents were formed. h. at 'tap 14011 P thought the House would derive m a ti n el t i , e ; til er . . f 5 trout the formation of such a Committee . , 1 .4:;e4.1,',:h..nu1it. main! a motion to that effect in the oir.. r. -v,, r ,° d it h ArrwooD would beg leave to ask the Nobl e . ~4 ,,, e 'ight be allowed to make a motion for a Select of t ..iti,., , 0 __, l ' " rake "'to consideration the general distress "'ab le t o "' n ° o l the best means of Tenet? He had been 12Lid A 4take this Motion earlier. ‘1 1 , 4 ,, 4 1 1 e fu L rl 'l i iCt ilP wart Ile did not think it would be it ' ,,,r• 41 0 0 comply with the wish of the Hon. • t etitt e ,„ l. • ATT,,,, s hied 5t ta i , " 0 0D then asked leave to bring in his m vita „ Y a day as possible —say Thursday next-- ( -t, ~ gr..„ l ~.. • nue", i ••••IkS% '-" 131 4 1,1 in ° 1 t Iton,,,,,tive notice that he shod I in Committee Lord Lord 'wf ul - t ( "Thl to make the notes e f the B b e .., Al.'ti v , e nder. . -rilpi tlttli tc ,'_llP then moved that a Select Committee t44llinue Precedents, and report to the I House whether the Bill, to alter and amend the kiss relat ing to the temporalities of tie Church of Ireland, should, according to the rules and /infers of the House, originate in a C mmi-re of the whole House. Mr. HUME thought its the Bill related to two objects, the temporalities of the Church, and the appropriation of money—it would he advisable that the Noble Lord should separate these things, and confine his motion only to that part at the Bill which related to taxation. Lord ALTHORP thought the two subjects were so intimately connected. that the whole question should be referred to. the Committee. Mr. O'CONNELL would recommend the Noble Lord to form two Bills out of the one. That part of the pre si-nt Bill which related to the lessees of Bishops' land., would meet with great difficultiea in its details ; and, in the present state of Ireland, persons with a command of capital would have great advantages, while persons of straitened means would be exposed to great disadvan tages in purchasing this property. He would recommend , therefore, that the Bill should be divided into two parts, one part should be referred to the Committee, and the House should proceed with the other. Mr. STANLEY was sensible that the proposition of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had much to recommend it, but there was one circumstance which rendered the proposed separ ition a question of much difficulty. The part relating to Bishops' leases hung so much together with the other that it would be almost impossible to run the risk of passing one and of not passing the other. One of the leading piinciples of the Bill was to suppress ten Bishops' sees, and place their revenues in the hands of a permanent Board. At present the possessors of Bishops' lea-es derived many of their advantages from the appre hension which the Bishops had to run their lives against the lease., which induced them to renew these leases every year for a nasonatile fine. But of course no motives of that kind could exist in an undying Board. There was a necessity, then, to give an entire security to the holders of Bishops' leases, by enabling them to purchase them in perpetuity. There were certainly grounds in the length of the Bail why it should he separated, but the connection he had pointed out between the suppression of the bishop rics and the holders of Bishops' leases was of such para mount force as made it impossible to separate the measure into two Bills. Mr. O'CONNELL admitted the existence of the diffi culty pointed out by the Right Hun. Gentleman, but it might be obviated by ascertaining the average fines paid by the lessees of Bishops' lands, and compelling the Board to renew the leases at a similar rate, or to make the lease perpetual on the term, regulated: by that average proposed by the Noble Lord. Allow him then to say one woid of himself. He hid been represented in the newspapers, both of England and Ireland, as giving his support to this Bill because he possessed property of this description. He had not, however, a single acre of land in his possession held on lease from the Church, and was not in any way, either directly or indirectly, interested in Church lands. Mr. BARING made some observations (which were only indistinctly heard in the gallery, owing to the noise in the House) relative to the impossibility of now getting anything like a proper value for the Church lands in Ire land, owing to the state of the country, should they be disposed of. He suggested, therefore, that the average fines heretofore obtained by the Bishops should be ascer tained, and that the Board should be compelled to dis• pose of the lands at that rate. Mr. STANLEY said there would he a considerable loss if the Board should be bound not to ask a higher auto than th ,,, average of that paid to the Bishops. There was a con siderable difference in the value of a lease for 21 years and for perpetuity, and if the Hon. Member's advice were f 'Rowed, the holders of Bishops' leases would obtain all ti e advantage of the perpetual lease without paying for it. The object of the Ministers was to make the tenants pay for that advantage, and the surplus thus obtained would he placed in the hands of the Board, to be disposed of as Parliament might please. Colonel CONOLLY said a few words, but their pur port could no he made out. Mr. HARVEY said, that the question had been treated only with refer, nee to the Church and the holders of the leases, but there was a third party who ought to be consi dered—the pen le. It was of great importance that they should not lie lust sight of. The lessees of that property had no more interest in Church lands than bad the lessees of any other property. They were only leaseholders, and he wished that the value of their leases should be ascer tained. He wanted to know why these lessees should be allowed to acquit e these lands in perp- tuity for six years' purchase ? He hail heard the subject discussed in several places, amid hail heard only one sentiment of astonishment at the low rate at which the statement was to be made. He hail not met with one person who thought the leases should be acquired in perpetuity tor less than 12 years' purchase. He should, therefore, call on the House to in terfere fur the protection of the interests of the public. The money to be realised by this aunt was estimated at three millions, and he hoped the time was nut far off when this and other sums, which were now devoted to ecclesi astical purposes, will d he applied to the exigencies of the State. He wished to know how the amount was ascer tained of Church property in Ireland? Ir was said that the property of the B shops was only 600 0001. a year, obtained from 700,000 acres of land—t , a• of this sum the Bishops only got 100,0001. --and that the interest of the lessees in the 500,00(11. was to be made perpetual, fur a suiti equal to six years' purchase. The Hou-e was cer tain y not acquainted with the nrure and extent of that property, and he. therefore, thought it right that attention should he directed to the subject. Mr SHAW and several other Members rose to ad dress the House, but Lord ALTHORP deprecated discussion on the detags of the Bi I, and the House would not suffer the other H in. Members to proceed. Tire question was then agreed to, and the Committee appointLd. PETITIONS. Mr. BROCKLEHURST presented a petition from Micclesfield for an inquiry into Corporations.—Referred to the Committee en Corporations. Mr. HUME presented a petition against the Irish Co ercive Bill iron the city of Edinburgh, winch bad been agr, ed to at a large meeting publicly called. The petition was particularly deser:ing of attention. because it w is de cide lly a: 4 -ainst the Bill, e xpressing astonishment at the conduct of Ministers, and because it came from those who had been among the most strenuous and zealous s upporters of those I\l nesters. The petitioners hail so strong an opi nion also of tie conduct of their own representatives in respect to this Bill, that they would not intrust the peti• two to them ; and requested him, if he could not I resent it, to place it in the h ,nds of any other Aletnlier rather than the Representatives of Elinhurgli. He had to add that the petition was signed only by the Chairman of the meeting, though the number of persons assembled did not amount to less than 1,600. The Hon. Member presented similar petitions from the Politic:l Union of Maidstone, and from Spitalft Ids and its neighbourhood. He had to observe that the persons who had signed the last petition also had sent it to him because they would not trust their oavn representatives, who had forfeited their confidence by supporting this measure. The lion. Member presented a fouith petition, praying for vote toy ballot, triennial Parlia ments, anti financial room. He hoped to see all those things accomplished.—Petitions laid on the table. Mr. CLAY United that in his short Parliamentary career he had not :orfeited the confidence of is cons i tuents. He thought it would have been more kind it the Hon. Member for Middlesex had given him same warning. He had acted from conscientious motives ; lie had expressed a strong opinion against some parts of the Bill, which lie should take an opportunity of opposing in their proper place ; and he had received assurances Irom almost all o her quarters of the borough that his conduct had given them satisfaction.--(Hear.) Lord MILTON presented petitions from two parishes in the county of Northampton, for the better observance of the Sa.,:bath. Mr. FRYER presented a petition from Bilston, Staf ftirdsbire, against the Irish Coercive Bill; and another from Sedgy-y, Staffordshire, to the same effect. Alajor BEAUCLERK presented a petition from the inhabitants of Camberwell, against the Camberwell En closure Bill. Sir R. INGLIS presented petitions from Clapham, Bat tersea, Runcorn, and several other parishes, fur the better observance of the Sabbath; and two petitions against the Irish Church Reform Btlt. Mr. SHAW LEFEVRE presented a petition from the Northern Division of Southampton, for an inquiry into the distress of the country ; also, from Oldham, to the same t ff. ct ; and one for the better observance of the Sabbath. Lord ARTHUR CHICHESTER presented a petition from Belfast. in favour ot the Irish C ,ereive Bill. %Ir. ROBERT STE:WART presented a petition from the inhabitants of Huddington ; and another horn the Alo d,rator and Elders of the parish of Haddington, for the better observance of the Sabbath. Mr. THICKNESSE presented a pe tition from Wigan, aga nst the Irish Disturb .nees Mr. R. POTTER said, that he had been requested to support tie petition, which he regretted he could not do, having, in the discharge of his duty, voted for the first and second reading of the Irish Disturbances Bill, from a con viction that a strong ease had then made out of the dread firt state of some parts of Ireland. But though be had so voted, he should be ready to co.operate with those gentlemen who were desirous of lesF•ening the rigour of the measure. It was particularly gratifying to him, that during the discussion of this measure, Cu many Hon. M tnbers, both from Ireland and England, had expressed themselves favourable to the introduction of poor laws into Ireland. He felt convinced that if a mod fied system of vor limos was adopted fir Ireland, they would greatly rend to allay the excitement which existed, and cheek the misery which prevails in that country. Mr. C. BERKELEY presented a petition from the town of Cheltenham, for the repeal of the house and window tax. Mr. BROTHERTON presented a petition from Sal- ford, against the Irish Disturbances Bill. Mr. FINN pr• sented a peiitinn from Cavan against corporation abuse•i, and another from the Union, Kilma co w, against the Irish Coercive Bill. Lord EBRINGTON presented a petition from the parish of Culinst ,, ck, in the county of Devon, for the abolition of slavery ; another from Crediton, in the same county, against corporation abuses ; and another from the Surveyors of Highways at Ilfracombe, praying that certain powers might he conferred upon Magistrates in Petty Sessions with regard to highways. Mr. DIVETT presented petitions from Topsham, Otterley, acd Ex !Louth, against certain duties levied at the Port of Exeter, under the pretence of maintaining the lortifications.—Referred to the Committee on Corpo- rati,ing, Mr. JOHN SMITH presented a petition from Stoney Stratford, or the abolition of negro slavery. Mr. SHELL presented petitions against the Irish Coer cive Bill, from Bradford, Tipperary, Knockaballagh, L.tting, South Shields, Tuomavaragh, Kinkillen, Bal linahogur, Carrick on- Suir, Cahir, Eglish, Borrisocleigh, Droghedl, Temple Henry, Templemore, Whitecliurch, Tuam, Lochlin, Nina, Holycross, and Ballicann, Power- town. Mr. DUNLOP presented a petition from Port Glas gow fur a reduction of the duty on soap; from the elders of the Scottish Church for the better observance of the Sabbath ; from Dunbarton, Renfrew, and Kilmarnham, to the same effect; from the Magistrates in Port Glasgow fit an alteration in the revenues of the Church ; from Kilmarnock, fur the removal of all restrictions on trade ; and from the same place for the abolition of sinecures and uninerite , l piinsions. Colonel BAILLIE presented petitions from Forfar, and from the Presbytery of Inverness, for the better observ ance o► the Sabbath; from Nairne, for the abolition ci• 'Livery ; and from Forres, for the total or partial repea of the duty on soap. Mr. PEASE presented a petition from Mill-street Chapel Perth, for the abolition of slavery, and protection to the property of Dissenting ministers; from the inhabitants of South Shields, for the abolition of sinecures ; and to the same effect from Stockton-on-Tees. Another from the parish of St. Helens. Auckland, in the county of Dur ham, expressive of their jealousy of the proceedings of Ministers to arm themselves with a power beyond the law ; and from Thomas Heale, of Worcester, relating to the observance of the Sabbath. Mr. INGHAM gave his cordial support to the petition from South Shields, for the abolition of useless pensions end sinecures. BANK RESTRICTION ACT. Mr. SHEIL requested to know from the Hon. Member for South Durham, whether it was his intention to per. severe in bringing forward the motion of which he had given notice, relating to a Committee on a Bank Restric tion Act for Ireland ? At such a moment as this, a notice of this kind was of the most important, and might be of the most injurious, consequence. Mr. PEASE said, that when he gave the notice re ferred to, he endeavoured to word it in an as inoffensive and modest way as possible ; but he had since more atten tively considered the subject, and was of opinion that it was at least premature. He should, therefore, withdraw it, though he did not reeret having put it on the books. Lord MAHON presented a petition in favour of the Ten Hours' Factory Bill. Sir G. SKIPWITH presented a petition from Harboro' Magna, and several other places in Warwickshire, for the better observance of the Sabbath ; and also a petition from the palish o Kenilworth, in favour of a general reduction of taxation, and of a mitigation of the sentences against those men who were now confined for a violation of the stamp laws. Mr. B. CLIVE presented a petition from the city of Hereford, for the repeal of the assessed taxes, arid of ihe house and window tax duties ; also a petition from Mr. James, of that city, for the alteration of the fiftieth clause of the Reform Act. Sir ANDREW AGNEW presented a number of pe titiens respecting the br tter observance of the Sabbath. Mr. C. FERGUSSON presented some petitions from Kirkcudbright, to the same effect. Lord A. LENNOX presented a petition from Chiches• ter, and other places, for the better observance of the Sabbath. Petitions to the same effect were presented by Mr. W. CHAYTOR from Sunderland ; and by Mr. LA/tiONT, from Wells; the latter was supported by Mr. Lee, who said it was nioit respectattly signed. Adjourned at halt-past twelve. HOUSE OP LORDS. Illiscn 14. Tho Marqu s of WESTMINSTER presented a peti• to.' from Chepstow, playing fur the better observance cY the Sdbit Lord CAWDOR presented a petition from a parish in Carlow to the -acne • ffect. Earl GREY presented a petition to the same effect. Lord 60SFORD presented a petition from Mips street Chapel, Perth, praying for the immediate abolition of slavery. Lord PLUNKET said that he should postpone laying upon the table of the House the Irish Jury Bill, which he had given notice of tor Friday (to-morrow), till Thursday next. The Earl of RODEN presented n petition from a con gregation of Protes'ant Dissenters in Holborn, praying lor the better observance of the Saboatti. Also a petition to the s .me effect trom the pat ish 01 Gower, in Caithness. The LORD CHANCELLOR moved for a copy of the report upon general education, made by a Committee of the House of CoMIII ,, FiS, ap °inter! in 1820. Several years ago, when a Metro er of the House of Commons, he had brought in a Bill, having for its object the better general education of the poorer classes in this country, but which, aster having gone through several stages, was aban doned, principally upon the cround of daily anti Sunday schools annually increasing. There were altogether throughout England 14,000 schools, educating about 600,000 children, principally supported by voluntary con tributions. He had stated the reasons, and the only . piev,why his Bills in 1920 were withdrawn. In 1829 a new era dawned on the question, not on y of education, but on the Dissenters, in that year the Bill being passed which pl iced Dissenters on the manse footing as Churchmen. As eight years had then elapsed, some test of the different opinions held upon the sul.ject in 1820, might then be formed ; it was easy to discover whether by making the payments for a national education compul sory, they were likely to dry up the fountains which had so liberally flowed in a voluntary manner. Since that time he had made inquiries of a great number of clergymen as to the state of education and the number of schools that existed in those parishes. To those cir culars lie had received upwards of 500 answers, and the result was, that where, in 1818, the number of schol tr. in endowed d iy schools amounted to 50,000, the number, in 1828, had increased to 105 000.—(Hear.) These returns were from parishes in various parts of the country, taken at random, and if an average was taken from them as to the whole country it would give a very satisfactory conclusion ; the numbers would then stand thus :—ln 1818, while the unendowed schools amounted to 11,000, educating nearly half a million of people, in 1829 they had increased t • 33,000 schools, educating one mil lion and thirty thousand. That being the case, he was led to pause in his plan in 1828, not because his opinions had changed, hut on account of the other risk mentioned io 1820, viz., that this great fund gathered from voluntary contribution was of a fleeting nature, and might by a compulsory rate be altogether blown away, therefore it behoved them to be most careful not to extinguish 50 great a fund as gave education to nearly a million and a halt of people. Though education was still defective, vet it was not in the same way nor to the same extent that it was in 1820. There were still 1,500 parishes in which there were no schools, either endowed or unendowed, yet those parishes were exceedingly small both in size and population; in fact, they would be found to be parishes where there were not above 30 or 40 families. The other instance where there was a defect, was one which could not b- too much known, nor too soon tiken into consideration. He alluded to the state of education in our great towns, espe cially in the capital and great ruanulactuting towns, he believed there was not in any part of Europe leaver means of education than were to :r met with in those places; in fact, so much was it wanted in them, that Noble Lords and persons who had not turned their attentian to the matter had no idea of the great want that was there felt. 1 here were many people who stated that, notwithstand in g the increase of education that had been afforded to the people, crime was still on the increase. He would say, it could not be expected that the education of a few years should be able materially to teduce the amount of crime or the size of their calendars. Besides, it ought to be borne in mind that there had been many alterations in the laws which naturally would lead to an increase in the number of offences that came before the public. Some alterations had been introduced, reducing the amount of punishment eri certain crimes whereby people were induced to come forward and prosecute, who formerly allowed the criminals to esca p e . Other alterations had been made by which prosecutors were allowed a greater amount of money as expenses, which had led to an increase of prosecutions. He would state it as a broad fact, that the better people were instructed, the less would be the amount of crime in any country. It was notorious, that in any part of Europe where education had been increasine, crime, espe cially that connected with violence, had been on the de crease. To take an example in the least educated parts of Europe,—he would mention Russia and Spain, where the crimes had amounted to 5,800, 3,500 of which were connected with violence, being lull three-fifths of the whole number. He would compare this with a state where education had been much cultivated,—he meant the state of Pennsylvania, where the offences amounted to '7,100, only 610 of which were connected with any violence whatever, being not more than one-twelfth of the whole num , er. He believed the same result would he found by comparing the northern with the southern parts of France; and Noble Lords were aware that the same causes also prevailed elsewhere. He instanced the case of a gaol where 400 prisoners were confined. He found, that 200 of those did not know even their alphabet, while 50 of the remaining 200 merely knew it, and nothing more. Tee proportion in France of criminals who could read and write, compared with those who could write, appeared to be much the same as in England. In short, he had no hesitation in saying, that by educating the people, provided that their education were conducted on a rational principle, they stood the best chance of promoting their happiness and welfare. He trusted their Lordships would excuse him for having made this short statement, which he had done, fearing that it mightbe supposed he had dropped the plans he formerly adopted, and that it was not considered the better duty of the Government and the Legislature to afford as sistance in educating the people. He had no doubt they would find the means within their reach for applying the remedy for the evils he had detailed where it was most wanted, and that safely. By safely, he meant so as not to interfere with the great mass of education which was at present conducted by means of voluntary expenditure, but which would at the same time provide a specific remedy, especially :awing 'he population of large cities. Lord ELLENBOROUGH regretted that the Noble and Learned Lord had not given notice that it was his intention, in moving for these papers, to make the observations on the important subjects he had dune, as it must have been more satieliceory to the House to have discussed them in the manner they deserved, than to pass them over, as they most now do. From what the Noble and Learned Lord had said, he (Lord Ellenborough) ga thered that it must be a subject of great satisfaction to him that the suggestions he had made 10 years ago were not adopted—(A laugh)—and that Parliament, by not accomplishing a vote for the general educatioa of the people, had not iuterfered with the voluntary appli cation of the very large funds now appropriated for that purpose, not only because it appeared that by the statement of the Noble and Learned Lord, those funds had greatly increased doting the last 10 years, but because of another objection in point of prin ciple which, he trusted, would always weigh with Perlits ment, ou any similar application being made. He recol lected hearing it said by an eloquent and able gentleman (Mr. Wilberforce), with respect to the poor laws, that they had destroyed charity en the one band, and gra titude on the other.—(Cries of " Hear, hear, bear.") He believed this principle to be as true in that of the poor laws. Let but the House go further in that legislation— let them but take from individuals the means of conciliat ing the poorer classes, and attaching them to the higher classes, and it was impossible to foretell what evil conse quences, besides the destruction of charity, might ensue.— (Hear, hear.) They had dune much mischief already, but lie trusted they would no longer proceed in that course. It would be with great reluctance that he should adopt any proposition for the purpose of assisting educa tion in the great towns. He had not expected such a statement as the Noble Lord had made of the low ebb at which education stood in those towns, from the authority of the Noble and Learned Lord. It was not very long since that Noble and Learned Lord had displayed before them the great intelligence of those towns, and had called upon the House to bestow upon them, as well as upon the amount of the agricultural labourers, great additional legislative porvers.--(Hear, hear.) If the people were so uneducated in the great towns, as the Noble and Learned Lord would lead them to believe, it was their own faults. The class of persons commonly called opera tives, for the most part, received more wages in the great towns than the agricultural population. Now, he looked to the natural feeling of parents towards their children, for giving them the education, by which their welfare in the world was to be promoted. He looked also to the charity ut the great capitalists, whose duty it was to look to the education of those by whose labour their wealth was ac cumulated. The community bad a right to expect that great capitalists should devote a portion of their profits to the education of their wotkpeople in the same way as the lindowners contr timed to the education of their agri cuhural Immure rs.—(tlear.) The Noble and Learned Lord had touched upon another subject of great import mice, the relative progress education bears to crime. He knew not that he could agree with the Neoile and Learned Lord upon that point, for when he looked to Ireland he found no country where the people, as far as reading and writing were concerned, were more educated,—no country where education w,s more valued, and where even the poorer classes more carefully saved their rents to procure its benefits for their children, and yet he found no country in Europe where crime was so prevalent. A NOBLE Loan, invisible from the failure of light, and in audible from the want of voice, mode a few observations wluch were net Keay' in the gallery. Lord BROUGHAM said that the Bill of 1820 was in tended to instruct t e people, to be paid for, not out of the poor rates, but by those who received instruction. There were many parts of London and Westminster mote destitute of the m sus o, education than any other parts of the country. The 101. householders in England were for the most par , as well educated as the Noble Baron near him (Lord Ellenborough).—Motion agreed to. LAW IMPROVEMENT BILL. On the motion of the LORD CHANCELLOR, the above-named Bill, founded on the recommendation of the Common Law Commissioners, introduced last week by the Noble and Learned Lord, was read a second time, am Friday se'noight named for the Committee. The private Bills on the table were respectively advance a stage. Adjourned at a quarter-past six. IRISH DISTURBANCES BILL. LIST OF TH. OF SIXTY-TWO (TELLERS INCLUDED), WHO VOTED FOR MR. O'CON NELL'S MOTION ON GOING INI 0 COMMITTEE ON THE BILL, “ That it be an instruction to the said Committee to preserve inviolate to his Majesty's subjects in Ireland that protection to innocent persons accused of crimes—the trial by an independent judge of toe law, and a freely and fairly chosen jury." ENGLAND. Butler, Hon. P.—Kilkenny Co, Aglionby, H. A.—Cockermouth Daunt, VV. J.— M allow Beauclerk, Aubrey Wm.—East Fitzsimon, N.—King's Co. Surrey Fitzsimon, C.—Dublin . o. Bowes, John—South Durham Finn, W. F.—Kilkenny Co. Buckinghain„l. S.—Shetlield Galway, J. M.—Watertor Co, Cobnett, William —Oldham Lalor, Patrick—Queen's Cc. Collier, J.—Plymouth Lynch, A. li —Galway Cornish, J.—Totness M'Laughlin, L.—Galway Ellis, W.—Leicester Martin, J.—Sligo Faithful, George—Brighton Nagle, Sir R.— Westmeath Fielder, John—Oldham O'Brien, Ct,rnelius—Clare Guise, Sir B.W.—East Glouces. O'C. nneli, D.—Dublin City tershire O'Connell, John—Youghall Gully, John—Pontefract 0 Connell, Morgan—Meath Hall, Benjamin—Monmouth O'Connell, Charles—Kerry Handley, Benjamin—Boston O'Dwyer, A. C.—Drogheda Hawkins, J. H.—Newport, isle O'Connor, Fergus—Cork Co. of Wight O'Connor, Don—Roscom. Co. Hume, Joseph—Middlesex 0 - Ferran, It. M.—Kildare Hutt, W.— Eirigston.on.Hull Roche, William—Limerick James, W.—Carlisle Roche, David—Limerick Lister, F. Cunliffe—Bradford Ituthven, Edward—Kildare Parrott, J.—zPotness ltuthren, E. S.—Dublin Potter, R.—Wigan Sheil, R. L.—Tipperary liippon, C.—Gateshead Sullivan, Richard —Kilkenny Tayleur, W.—Bridgewater 7 Talbot, J. It Ross Torrens, R.—Bolton Vigors, N. A.—Carlow Warburton, H.—Bridport Wilks, J.—Boston Wood, M.—London TELLERS. (O'Connell, H.—Meath Co. lO'Connell, Maurice—"fralec SCOTLAND. Oswald, It. A.—Ayrshire Oswald, J.—Glasgow Wallace, Robert—Greenock PAIRED OFF. Clay, W —Tower Hamlets Dobbin, L.—Armagh 611lon, \V. D.—Falkirk Tynte, C. J. K.—West Somer. setshire Wigney, I. N.—Brighton IRELAND. Baldwin, 1)r. 11.—Cork City Barry, s._cork Co. The names of Messrs. Bewes, were omitted in our List of the Church Bill a second time on 'ft , Collier, Poulter, and "{ippon Majority for renting the Irish ursday, the Ilth inst. EFFECTS OF PAssum. Yesterday after noon a journeyman carpenter, named AlArrHEws, in the employ of Mr. PHILLIPS, of Newton.stre , r, Hackney, having quarrelled with his wife about some trifling matter, in a paroxysm of fury, inflicted on her several wound , in the face with a carving knife, and afterwards made a desper a t e attempt on his own life by plunging it in his throat. He lay for some time apparently lilelees from loss of blood. A surgeon was ca ll e d in, when it was disco vered that none of the main arteries were divided, so that hopes art entertained of his recovery. MINORITY LAW AMENDNIENT. Abstract of the Bill moved in the Ilon•e of Lords last night by the Lord Chancellor ; entitled, "An Act for the further Amendment of the Law, and the better Advance ment of Justice." Preamble—Whereas it would greatly contribute to the diminishing of expense in suits in the Superior Courts of Common Law at Westminister, if the pleadings therein were in some respect altered, and the questions to be tried by she Jury left less at large than they now are according to the course and practice of pleading in several forces of action; but this cannot be conveniently done otherwise than by rules or orders of the Judges of the said Courts from time to time to be m ale, and doubts may arise as to the power of the said Judges to make such altera tions without the authority of Parliament; be it there fore enacted, &c. There are then clauses providing 1. That Judges have power to make alterations in the ,node of pleading in the Superior Courts ; but not to de l); ive any person of the power of pleading the general issue given by any Statute. 2. That executors may bring actions for injuries to the real estates of the deceased ; and that actions be brought against exemoors for an injury to property, real or per sonal, by their testator. 3. That part owners of ships to have an action at law against other part owners ; giving, however, power to refer the cause to arbitration. 4. Limitation of action of debt on specialities, &c.— namely, in actions of debt for rent upon an indenture of demise, or covenant or debt upon any bond or other spe ciality, actions of debt or scire facias upon recognizance, within fire years after the end of this present session, or within ten years after the cause of such actions or suits, hut not after ; the said actions by the party grieved within one year after the end of this present session, or within two yens after the cause of such actions or suits ; but not after ; and the said other actions within three years after tie end of this present session, or within six years after ihe cause of such actions or suits, but not after ; provided that nothing herein contained shall extend to any action given by any statute, wherein the time for bringing such action is by any statute specially lim t6d. 5. Infants, femes covert, &c , excepted ; and absence of defendants beyond seas provided for. 6. A proviso in case of acknowledgment in writing, or by petit payment. 7. Y:e limitation after judgment or outlawry reversed— n iniely, that in all such cases the party plaintiff, his executors or administrators, as the case shall require, may commence a new action or suit from time to time with- in a year after such judgment reserved, or such judg ment given against the plaintiff, or outlawry reverse, and not after. 8. That no part of the United Kingdom, &c., be deemed beyond the seas, within the meaning of this Act. 9. That no plea in abatement for non-joinder of a co defendant be allowed, unless he be resident with the jurisdiction. 10. That plaintiff to plea in abatement of non-joinder may reply a discharge by certificate, &c. 11. Is provision in the case of subsequent proceedings against the persons named in a plea in abatement. 12. Misnomer not to be pleaded in abatement. IS. Initials of names to be used in some cases. 11. " Wager of law" to he abolished. 15. Action of debt on simple contract, to be maintain able against executors. 16. Gives power to the Judges to make regulations as to the admission of written documents. 17. Provides that writs of inquiry under the statute 8 and 9 Will 111., c. 11, to be executed before the She riff. unless otherwise ordered. 18. Gives power to direct issues joined in certain ac tions to be tried before the Sheriff. 19. Upon the return of writ of inquiry or trial of issues, judgment to be signed, &c., unless, &c. Sheriff, as to such issues, to have the like powers as Judges at Ni.i Prius. 1 Will. IV., c. 7, to extend to such writs of inquiry and issues. 20. Sheriffs to name deputies to be resident in London. 21. Defendant to be allowed to pay money into Court in certain actions by Judge's order. 22. Gives power to direct local actions to be tried in any county. 23. Gives the power for the Court or Judge to direct the facts, to be found specially. 24. Gives power to state a special case for the Court without proceeding to trial. 25. TVitnesses interested solely on account of the verdict to be admissible. 26. Direction to indorse the name of the witness on the record. 27. Jury empowered to allow interest upon debts. 28. And in actions of trover or trespass for goods, and on policies of insurance, the Jury may give interest by way of damages. 29. Interest to be allowed on all writs of error for the time that mention has been delayed. 30. Executors suing in right of the testator to pay costs. 31. One or more of several defendants in any action having a verdict to have costs. 32. Plaintiff in scire facial, and plaintiff or defendant on demurrer, in all cases to have costs. 33. Awards costs of Special Juries in case of a uonsuit. 6 Geo. IV., a. 50. 34. Gives power to make regulations as to the officers of each Court at Westminster taxing costs. 35. Executors of lessor for term of years to have power to distrain fur arrears in the lifetime of testator. Arrears may he distrained for within six months after determina tion of Term. 36. Provides that submission to arbitration by Rule of Court, &c., not to be revocable, with power to compel the attendance of witnesses at arbitrations; and with power to the arbitrators under a Rule of Court to admi nister an oath. 37. Extends the power of granting commissions to take affidavits to Scotland and Ireland. 38. Abolishes certain holydays, enacting, that none of the several days mentioned in the sth and 6th Edward toe Sixth, entitl-d " An Act for the keeping Holydays and Fasting Days," shall be observed or kept in the said Courts, or in the several offices belonging thereto, except Sundays, the day of the Nativity of our Lord, and the three following days, and Monday and Tuesday in Easter week. 1 [This Bill, which introduces so many alterations , is founded chiefly on the recommendations of the Commis . y sionera in their Repot ton the State of the Common Law id UNIVERSITY INTELLIGENCE CAMBRIDGE —The Chancellor'. gold medals for the two best proficients in classical learning among the com mencing Bachelors of Arts, were on Wednesday last adjudged to Edward Herbert Bunbury, of Trinity College, and James Hildyard, of Cbrist's College. Herbert Jenner, E•q., L.L.8., of Trinity-ball, eldest son of Sir Herbert Jenner, the King's Advocate-General, bas been elected a Fellow of that Society. The Rev. John Burton Alar,den, Af.A., of St. John's College, and late curate of Harrow, has been presented to the rectory of Tooting-Graveney, in the county of Surrey ; vacant by the death of the Rev. John Ravenhill, D.D. Patron, the Rev. Richard Greaves, vicar of Deddington, Oxon. On the 6th inst., the Rev. W. Apsley Bathurst, 8.A., was collated to the vicarage of Ludhatn, Norfolk, it] the gift of the Lord Bishop of Norwich. We understand that a renewed meeting of Members of Parliament taking an interest in an inquiry into the distress of the country, and tracing that distress to the present state of the monetary system, was held at the house of Sir CHARLES BURRELL, Bart., yesterday, to hear th e reply of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER to the Deputation appointed at the last meeting. The meeting was very numerously attended, and at which we learn there were many new adherents favourable to its objects. 'llse two following resolutions, passed at the former meet ing, and laid before Lord ALT HORP. were first read, viz. : " Ist. That in entering upon the important subject of this meeting, we disavow all party principle, or any intention to em barrass his Majesty's Government. ‘•2d. '1 hat it is desirable that a Parliamentary inquiry should be instituted to investigate the distress which has so long pre vailed, and does still prevail, amongst the industrious and pro ductive classes, and which has affected and endangered every species of property, with a view to ascertain whether it be not connected with the present monetary system, and whether that system do not admit of some sate amelioration." The reply of Lord ALTHORP stated the hostility of Government to any inquiry on the subject ; at which the meeting seemed to be very much surprised, and elicited from it strong expressions on the policy which Ministers had proposed to pursue. The following resolutions were immedi .tely drawn up, and adop•ed by the unship:lons consent of the meeting:-- " 1. That this Meeting deeply deplore the view taken by his Majesty's Ministers, of the possible injurious effect of examining into the monetary system, as being greatly influential on the general wide-spreading state of distress unhappily existing amongst the manufacturing, the agricultural, and other indus trious classes. 2. That while this Meeting repeats its disavowal of all party fueling, and of any disposition to embarrass his Majesty's Government, it does not the less feel it to be its paramount duty to persevere in the endeavour to ascertain the latent cause 'f the existing distress, and the most just, rational, and effectual remedy " . . . A Committee was then appoirred consisting of the De putation, to which was allied S;r HYDE PARKER, Bart., MATTHIAS ATTWOOD, Esq., and JAMES Lout, Esq., after which the meeting separated. !SPIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS. it : ol Presbyterian prom overcoming ote e de lueocrbfstyti o b f ttc n r lial o m , i ebs m a shei The Lord Chancellor, in moving last night fur certain returns respecting the education of the people, entered at considerable length into the state of education in this country, when he first took up he subject, and its state at this time, and the dif ferent views he had at different times entertained with respect to the best mode of promoting educe ,ion. There can be no question that a very great made me i his e x e o n r i Lordship thep first benefits e o n c e c fi u t v s e o d f education i r n o i g s r e e i s f s i a si h n been ce th t e h eti dine any attempts to establish education by the na tion would have encoun'ered resistance, and on that subject. Perhaps, too, at that account proved abortive. There must, we suspect, be a general conviction in the minds of a people of he benefits of any object, before it can be heartily embraced. The history of education in the northern part of the island seems to confirm this view. The es t bdadh h en e fstdso f rh r eihe s)on,toiogtoschools. laboured :s:adaudTsun, namhilgvele: rtraLghsss:ees:lgideldiiycrsiu, universally, i o aeau u tt ;e s ti .n l :ae y t .eirt of l of uSicrniohttaaliabnni:dao,nnatl only t s short ta e they had keen voluntarily established in most of the parishes. But there is always a danger in trusting to the permanence of what originates in a benevo lent enthusiasm, especially when a burden is borne by one class for the benefit of another. We have no doubt that, without the legislative enactment, many of the parish schools of Scotland would have long ago been closed. Arguing on this principle, we should say, let us now avail ourselves of the general feeling at present entertained in favour of education, to establish throughout England schools on a proper footing. It must be borne in mind, that of the 32,000 day-schools in 1828, alluded to by the Lord Chancellor as affording education to one million and thirty thousand children, there are few which do more than teach mere reading and writing. We are by no means disposed to under value the mere ability to read and write; but it is obvious that much more is required to form what can deserve the name of education. In the most remote of the parish schools of Scotland, the school master is required to teach, besides reading and writ ing, arithmetic, geometry, and practical mathematics ; and so generally is this sort of knowledge diffussd in Scotland as compared with England, that Middleton, in his Surveyof Middlesex, says,you can hardly find an artisan capable of working from a drawing, there is hardly a dike mason in the most retired village in Scot land who cannot, without assisance, give you the plan and sections of a building, and enter into the minutest specifications. It is strange that the State should deem it necessary to establish instructors in every parish for grown people, and yet leave the instruction of children to chance. Reason would dictate to the old the necessity of providing in struction for themselves ; but youth cannot be sup posed under any such influence ; and if neglected by their parents or without parents, the neglect of education in youth can hardly ever be remedied, His Lordship entered into the question of the influa ence of education in preventing crime, and instis tuted comparisons between Spain and England, and Pennsylvania and France. On this his Lordship was twitted with Ireland by Lord Ellenborough— " As to the Noble and Learned Lord's remarks about the connexion of crime with ignorance, he should merely observe, that in Ireland, where there was more reading and writing than in any country in the world, there was also more of crime and depravity." More crimes of a violent cha racter, perhaps, there are ; but certainly not more mu;rdetrhefyorartehefonfudrtohfer:vnhcaet Lord)lfepsroacßvi depravity. .00nr The c l i s vendss d h justice—revenge; but they do not steal. They commit the crimes which are most detrimental to society by producing alarm and ap prehension. Many circumstances besides education determine the character of the crimes of any given population. In Spain, education is at present al nost universal, and a better description of education than that given to the lower orders in England, and we believe Lord Brougham is labouring under miss information on this subject ; but the Spaniards, having no confidence in their tribunals, do justice to themselves by murder and assassination. On the other hand, it is confidently affirmed that in Turkey in Europe, whatever violence may be committed by authority of Government, homicide is hardly known, The individual who kills another is instantly seized, and has no hope of escaping punishment. Yet cers teirily the Turks are more ignorant than the Spaniards or Irish. The people who, in our times, best illustrate the benefits of education, art the German , . They are certainly the most or derly of all the European nations ; and in America they are always received in preference to the nas tives of any other country. There may be doubts whether a Scotchman, an Englishman, a Welshman 4 or an Irishman, makes the best settler; but it is never doubted that the German is better than any of them. Now, education has long been the sub ject of particular attention in every State of Ger many. In Sir A. B. Faulkner's visit to Germany and the Low Countries--a recent publication, in %% tech a great deal of valuable information respecting tile moral population of Germany is to be found—ho alludes again and again to the universality of education, Speaking of Electoral Hesse, for instance, he says, "Education is strictly under the surveillance of the State. Now if the inhabitants or meanest of the, peasantry are exempt from the obligation of sending their children to school ; and even were a parent in circumstances to be able to provide instruction far his children under his own roof, he is still a debtor to the fund for public instruction—to the same extent as if his family actually partook of its benefit. To in sure the full advantages of education, no appointment is more severely looked into than the nomination c A I: the schoolmaster, who must be subjected to a very strict examination, both in point of moral and inter lectual competency, under the authority of consist°. rium similar to what has been already mentioned in respect to Mentz. If approved of, his name and qualifications are reported to the Elector; after hich he receives his appointment as matter of course. By a regulation of recent introduction, tire, salary of the schoolmaster is made up partly by Go. ,ernment, and in part by the contributions of the scholars. Great care is bestowed upon the selection of books at the popular schools; and to facilitate the business of learning, abridgments are put into the hands of children of every author that is con sidered most fitted for their use. Matter the most edifying is dressed up in an attractive style, to wits, them to the task; such as apologues and entertarus, ing fictions, epitomes of history, familiar; dia logues, light poetry, rec. For the mechanical elesses, there are schools which teach the ma! hematioe, 4'rawing, and other branches that have a bearing upon the mechanical arts, These schools are only ()pen on Sundays, after church service; and their expense is defrayed by a trifling contrdertion from the Members. # # * What constitutes the chief value of this popular course of education, Is, that the utmost pains are taken to ground the youth of both sexes in the principles of religion, their ardour being very essentially excited by exam:nations which tklek open to the public, arid attended by the profea.ors of the University, and generally by all the respecs tability of the place." The account given by Mr. Loudon of the state of education in Wurtemberg, Baden, &c., coincides with the above, except that Mr. Loudon represents the course of education for the lowest peasant as equal to what a philosopher would receive in this country. But the gratifying part of the matter is, that all agree that the pains taken on this worthy people are not thrown away. Die industry, cheerfulness, strict honesty, and good conduct of the Germans, strike all who visit their country. So averse are they to shed blood, that ,when their country was overrun by the French, ,vito often oppressed them grievously, there was yet hardly an instance of the assassination of stragglers. Ili the mode of educating the people, and providing for the poor, administering justice, &c., we helve rho, many anY inferior avaiu to e valuable lesson thearts fr°n of production, ' the tie though are yet in a much higher state Of civilization.— Morning Chronicle.