The Sun. — London, England, 1833-05-01 00:00:00

! ' Z e aa P e :ar as Comp are d" w i t h the rich. The num b er in Great Britain charged with the window 'Z l er i e 5 1 7 ' 471 . What was the total number of fa g _ tireat Britain ? No fewer than 2,816,19, 1 2.468,708 exempt from the pressure of , hat un y4t tai no,. t it. --.--, therefore, most untrue to affirm, that 4, he l b Pressed with undue severity upon the poor. k, itiiin rerig,tgieodn ttohe House to consider how the matter the house tax. There were in Great •Ife n ,o ol3o o assessed, and there were as many as ,114 0 , 410 `: not charged. He should boldly deny that the t a , Inch ' that tax would b a relief to the poor. It would ts er ,,, ~,.,e . t . u . o gi but the direct reverse. It was contrary ten teuiciple of justice, that houses should be rated 4 ea what they cost, and not according to what Y Were h laity and ort . Should one man be made to pay for the e al fully of another, who, perhaps, by that vanity %fair folly, deprived him of the means of defraying such i tedi ne t u f a Na, the obviously equitable mode of pro• 1 4 44 T s ' to charge upon the actual value in the l ite, plaiit Ai had been broadly asserted ti at the most gross ta le of Yt;_Prevailed with regard to the charge made upon itteri "houses o f those who were called the " Aristo ,Wtkids-te4ll te i rro which h e a l toget h er di sc l a i me d. He 4 bea t , ti 'em an an , -cdote which might he consid , red 1 44 raa Pao that point. There was Knowle Park, with 1 001. a 8 t of them were aeql airited, that was rated at koset shoal' it was thought unjust that the Duke of t t b h en ght t h ' e 4lei t Pay so little for such a dwelling, and so ''e ofE,,„ 'ling o ffi cer, but h proceeded tiledcautiously— th - r , were c lotions 1n i heir generation. He litail,d e ',dilation to 1201., and that valuation was ap oritial4g, when it as instantly reduced to its ttp ezi : aTnount of 10/ for it was considered that the ~,i t 1 6: e i h ke :Ping ugh . ; place in repair and maintai t ni e n r tz e ma tt taaiat ceedition as any person residing II 't be 'to, would so reduce its value that it could k ' Worth L tither more than the sum at which it was vt i n ti t al ued; and it was considered, too, that if 4 e " the mai ket it woul fetc no m —it ~ ! , b Lwo:ltoruultful , if it ' would fetch so h ore much. That L t 'e sid e , v°f Knowle was equally true of other places. t L l ati oft CPolte in these strains respecting the country e 'til laa e wealthier classes overlooked the valuation . of i'a llol , ' e ". He would trouble the House with a short list, '. :.3 .ll4 d 4 e eri a ,,,u'e .... 42 500 Apslev £1,850 - ' , tt ' f' ...• do. ...... 1;500 Che t House of the Hon. £. ___ c ll. tord... ..................... 3 91!0 Member for Essex I.,:l_ero!, .................... 1,500 Norfolk House I,GJO ~,gklow„? ............... 2,000 Burlington 1,300 14 4, s"e .................. 1,630 th ttZ e ' t { . t Proof that the window tax did not operate for t l4 of " Z: benefit of the ric rich and the manifest disadvan 64,41rari i P f ", be would just mention that the p . ay- It tit i' d goll, t e o ( Z i , 11 ,. 2- , .. „ 11d. to . Bs. 101 ranging from eight kat aai . 17 J ran- wirloa . v . tax Hare , wood House tt otiri r ate a s t ,' 9 1 1 •, whereas if it were eharg,d at the -''' ' t he 10/. houses in its neighbourhood, it / 4. I P ? b ut 171 . 10s. laeain, Lowther Castle paid I le ld h a ' S if i l d•, while if rated as small places the sum iiN ' h ato il l, lBl . 159. Woburn Abbey had 511 win• a t ; bu t • P 'd 5 1/. is. 91., according to the present W ite,i tif it Was rated aceordinie to the 101 houses, it o t e a e onti t' i d ' e ' re ,Pa , Y more than 15/f . 4.. 91.—(Question.) ,O, ft . " he was strictly speaking to the question, tie -1 tat wind'' c alculation s went to show that, with respect Oi lld t h te r “ v tax the oor were not treated unjustly, ti lt4 s -ealth” r. , J we ' re not p tavoured. He denied the state- Z i lei 'll. q tr i _ a • Members who maintained a contrary t ," ti ttle ty,w e is " 4 (l one word to say upon the reduction of the * Yi, a t ,, "'oh was pressed on them. He would admit that 4 e on ,a , dia evil, but it was an evil, like physic, whic it,treetrilea necessary to restore health—as taxes were 1 tli of c ' r th e s'ability of a nation. With respect to 'ii vii, that could be done would be to choose between t'lee t '• ;, W hen the Government was pressed for the 11 : 1 0 1 ; -4 the malt duty, those who pressed for it did ° 1 114 4 , 4 tauch discernment as to the choice of evils. fie elfittlit; show that within a very few years that t ix bad been 4 '. lia Y reduced. In 1804 the tax on malt was 4 .4 . irh,,, 1 'i11 ,‘ 1820 it was 28•; in 1822 it was 20s. Si!. ; il s, s itt. sil.her with a tax upon beer, amounted to , l t Sd t "‘", as the tax on malt was at present but e bs at ii and the beer tax was taken off, there wag con : la, Y 5 red uction with respect to this tax of SI s. lilt. a itlt thatlac'ts th therefor e , very w i se to p i tc h u p o n that tax as m 4, 1 4 14 ; "id be further r e duced. Hon. Gentlemen li'l rya '„a it menacing manner how the country would ! k liter 'louse rescinded ihe vote of Friday night last. Va l ,"atiden ce in the good sense of the country, and 1;,,, I1 ty 4 i r " , that if the House fearlessly and honestly did ''''. ' l -) ' t Would he applauded by the country.—(Hear, ha • Tt , t i ' 4 e t i 0, .e Hon. Member who had last spoken t e gin g ein with allusions to nursery tales, and to t i) ;ial t 'i a ° f belle in Il•rkshire, when the announcement ,-: tii i • p g " 11 the malt duty was learned. That sign a e tie i- ' o n t g b ,might have been made ; but was there no ha bells at 11 1ancl ester and Oldham when it was ki a ced that the I t o ne l lO e cotton duty was taken off? The 11,4 4 44 "urable Gentleman sneered at, and seemed 114ttl,,aiiivalue, every thing like national honour and hat take fai th, for it he loved national faith, he would 5, 1.4 1 - 4 a prop er course to relieve the nation of its - rfil t i - withriet making it violate its faith. Now, he tliikett%4PPose that the resolution of the other night was l 'ire I t e a ad that the the malt tax and assessed taxes d 'et t t e P a' a/ ed; was there any Han. Member of that „haf t „"° could put his hand on his bosom and sincerely e. 4 ' t at it wag his o iinion that a property tax—the kiltsil:Y alte rnative—Would be carried ?—( Hear.) He lath I +.l '' ' 4 , ' it likely that Hon. Members would be pleased Y? 't i 1 0 per cent. levied by way of tax on pro- Pl th2 t ked - : , t hat House wished to see public engagements b 4 vie triz iet them first propose a property tax to question; li o , l kfi - : g , e ,, ta ents, and then repeal the taxes in 1 , ,1 15 11: , i '''Y had laid on the former they could not ho 1211e uo away with the latter.—(Hear, hear, hear.) Cilia,n-C'-agements should be kept as well as private ones, : d in 1i was no honest man who had a debt to pay, and i l i e a tb th a tid a sum wherewith t o discharge it, would part A e ttt 4e 'um and depend on contingencies. Every x Pia, C a n Would understand what he was now saying. v: ' 4 tf : r ii . "n• Member for Oldham s tic! that the present x e ,Vril h, Ted Parliament, and that it ought not to be 4 ifii ~,' the dictates of a Minister. if ever there was t i i !ittia ' ; not likely to dictate to a Parliament, his Noble k I, l a l l'i e w a ' s the Person. Of all the Ministers he ever mighty l ite t e Friend was the most likely to make a ' t itt 'e4t° r• But W 3.4 it dictating to a Parliament—was i t 1 a w aY swaying or controlling it, to call ur i n e Orro„, il se Calmly its judgment ? The persons whowe d 41 11,,, - " (1 in that House, did not expect that a reforrne t 1 1 4:" would submit to the dictation of Ministers, . tl i .erti t i , - ," : 41(1 be highly presumptuous in any Ministers to tt`alies,,,,td-ble.fatilig to it ; liut those persons expected that a k itii a e aliament would listen to sound argument and '''s ielt tt: their judgment, and not adopt the delusive plans rtok, their by those who ought to know better than to : 4 ' e t tli t er n•--(Hear.) It was for Hon. Gentl-men to k li o :‘, l4 t i le la e arguments and objections . of all parties—to 11 1 Zht Ile 41 Well —and not vote inconsiderately, li st they 6 t o , t v ery properly accused of m iking a scramble fir c 'titt of taxation which would least effect or more t tita ' the maelves.—(Hear.) The Right 110 n. Gentle- I f ! . t irt o r ' i c i"tied, by calling upon Hon. Members .. to con -4,1 . c heat method of honestly relieving the country ke , 'tw it ,' burdens, and not whilst they were, on one hand, ; (4 /4 1 4 0 n g for a tax benefici il to themselves, scramble air.° t4 llt tat. o f door popularity, and the favour of eonsti kt• ,' Let them act as hi came them, and they would A ' ' With their reward.—(Cheers.) 4 tit 4 l , RON. MEMBEx, whose name we could not learn, ‘4 ) 4 veas anxious to explain, as early as possible, his vote inkt:te other night, and to declare now that, notwithstand- It ki:'t vote, he was inclined to support the amendment 4 e,,* kilde Lord. He would tell Him. Members, that eit,itiderecl he teas doing his duty, as one of a d.libe- NI t ee senably, when he said that his vote on Friday . 4 t es ' e ''s fot: - a reduction of the malt duty, was because 1; 4 th' i tit that reduction would cl? good to the country, i f 'ilil a -t he vote he intended to give that night for the i'lll Cord,pt amendmeht, was becaus , . he considered t sat 5' ,, 4 'eouction of th it duty was pressed, it would force k ; l 'Pt i t4 to adopt what they thought they ought not to .4 ttt 4t : r to resign, and, consequenilYs injure the true 1 Cul °l' the count r y,—(Question.) l e t r aid WOOD amid loud cries of " Question." I t; tl e ' t 4 ' e would tree ass on the attention of the House „"Ith 4 Very f,,, mem-Hents, lie agreed with tile H in. ' 4 07 . I. " Oldh am , that it was very impolitic to argue ttio)e.olt ginstion against another ; and, at the same 0 t hd: e 414 Lt edthat Han. Members wet e sent . tio ; Il e „ ' as some . , • 4 , t h e y could t o , ill ,I !to represent particular latrie, ) Way'''t , roll', iq, e r epresenting them. When he was asked o Nt t , i a Property tax, he distinctly understood , that he ,, hotkit.e 11, t 4 vote fo r an income tax.—(Cries of "No, nos ) h, et o f ! n4' Members neir hint might exclaim No, A 0 ; t : 5 0 i n s ' e d them to prove that a property tax would not ' l'n 'u h lie t ax. I',) l i s at ' th at l ' h h a l t e- an li . e ., `would state to 'a the House. Teat alga's ipr - th. traii,4ecwiltun, tax would subject eve ) p, 4 , tl he h bu ' un s to the investigation of C o mmissioners; i_ li tiie,td:zwhii3test. rendn'a dealings would be unnece ssarily v,evixe el t m , 44 , 11 t . t' dishonest man would bee cabled ,1 lici to e 1 e , . 41 51 1 tu e .o 44 ‘ tlie Commissioners astray. NI , a I respect Igh ,he would not hesitate to say that it way .oi t 4,,,i , atid that he was readyto take off a moiety of it, the ta x PPI Y tbat moiety roca et til:ii i . i'y a tax on beer. The revival of b„ fo Y, ilia c! la Per barn 1 on beer would make up !,hat . (Gr' ti,, e would advise the beer tax to be revive) rac e of „reduction of the tax on malt took plate.— Cli'e "'") He only aid what be really be- lieved would be satisfactory to the people, and benefic;al to the country, when he advised the revival of the beer tar, and a reduction of one half the malt duty. The revival of the former tox, and the reduction of the latter would not raise the price of beer retailed by the shop keeper, but would make malt cheaper, and enable the poor man to brew his own beer. Farmers would be henefitted by what he proposed, since they would be able to biew at a much lower rate the large quantities of beer they used in harvest time, and there would be also another benefit re sulting from the proposition—namely, that it would go a great way in preventing the poor from frequenting beer shops.—(Question.) Mr. Sergeant SPANKIE spoke from under the gallery, and in so low a tone, that much of what he said could not he distinctly heard in the gallery. He was understood to say, that the vote of Friday night last had placed the Members of that House in a situation of great difficulty, anti he wished to God that Ministers had on that occasion the assistance of the eloquent speech that had been just delivered by the Right Hon. Gentleman on the Treasury Bench. If Government had been strengthened on that night by the aid of those who ought to assist them, they would not have met et ith so signal and so melancholy a defeat. He never recollected to have listeued to so languid a debate as the one of that night ; it seemed to be a match fought by the Treasury and the Country Gentle men, of which the other Members of the House were but passive spectators. Though there might he mmy lion. Members for a repeal of the malt duty, there were many who had a horror of a prop rty or income tax, and he con'eseed himself one of the latter. He knew not what to say of the Noble Lord's dexterity in proposing the antenil ment before the House, more than that it threatened the country with a curse, and was, as it were, giving them up to the wolf when they were menaced with a property tax. Now, with respect to that tax, however plausible it see med, whatever appearance of e quality it seemed to carry with it, it was like all projects of equality, con taining within itself the same germs of the disorder of society. Though he was well aware of the evils of an income tax, still he would acknowledge that some relief ought to be given to the burdens of taxation ; and though he was prepared to vote for a repeal of the house and window taxes, he thought nothing short of insanity could advise as a substitute for them an income tax. The minds of the people were fixed upon the house arid window t xes, and they were led to believe that their repeal would he one of the first acts of a reformed Parliament. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman then alluded to the heavy taxes that pressed upon the metropolis, which were the cause of making trade retrograde, and he said that those aixes did not press on the 101. householders alone, but on persons who rented large houses, an I were very often extremely distressed to pay them. He contended that if the present G o vernment was to be accused of any thing it was of its weakness—general weakness pervaded its acts; even the Attorney-General did not seem to pos sess sufficient vigour to carry on the requisite administra tion of the law, and in fact it was a general complaint that everything was in a state of pulling down. He called upon Gevernment to act with vigour and repress that agitation which was directed against it. On the matter of the house and window tax much excitement prevailed throughout the metropolis. He held in his bend two pe titions en that subject from the inhabitants of the popu lous borough he had the honour of representing. These petitions were got up under a state of great excitement, and he had done, and would still continue to do, all he could to discourage that excitement. In the mean time he would advise Government to be prepared to meet with vigour the discouragement that prevailed.—( Hear.) Sir JOHN TYRRELL would not give a silent vote on the present occasion, and would state why he voted for the reduction of the duty on malt. He was sorry, how ever, that he could nut learn, trona what had fallen from the Hon. and Learned Sergeant, whet was the substitute he proposed for the assessed taxes. Why he had voted for a reduction of the malt tax was, because he considered Minis ters bad not given a due consideration to the agricultural interest, and that the petitions of the landholders had not met at their hands the attention they had a right to expect. As that measure, favourable to the landed in terests, came on before anything was projected in their favour, he thought it hie duty to vote for it. However, in s tying this, he would also say, that he went the whole length with those who thought that a property tax and an income tax were one and the same thing. and would be measures of confiscation. Since his vote for the reduction of the malt tax, lie had seen his constituents, and their great delight at that reduction could not be mistaken. Those c instituents were not Radicals nor Tories—they were ignorant of any party, but they received with plea sure the vote of Friday night, as they considered it bene ficial to the country. For himself, lie disclaimed the im putation of grasping at or scrambling for a system of taxation that would be of set vice to him. lie was ac tuated by one motive, and principally consulted the good of the agricultural interests. The Honourable Baronet spoke for some time amidst calls of " Question," which prevented his being distinctly heard ; but we understood him to declare, that it was his intention to vote against the proposition of the Hon. Baronet fur the repeal of the ass ssed taxes, though, at the same time, he did not like the amendment of the Noble Lord.—(Q iestioo.) Sir R. PEEL rose to state shortly the grounds on which he should give his vote. Although the subject opened up a discussion on the agricultural, coma - len:lel, anti financial policy of the country, he sliould direct his attention fir the decision of the question chiefly to finan cial considerations. When he looked at the present state of our finances, and at the necessity of maintaining public credit—and when be found, after reductions in the ex penditure, and after providing, for the public service, there only remained an available surplus to meet every possible contingency which might arise of 500,000/. ; when he found that 500,000/. was calculated on a small increase of the revenue of last year, and that the establishments of the present year were but little lower than those of the last year, the question he had to consider was, how could further reductions be made consistently with keeping faith with the politic creditor ? He could not think it right, under such circumstances, to repeal five millions of ae ditional taxes. It was true that the repeal of the house and window taxes was not necessarily connected with the repeal of the half of the malt duty ; but there was no gentleman who heard him who would not ad mit, that, under the present circumstances, there was a practical etwneetion, and that if they repealed one•half of the malt duty, the pressure for the repeal of the house and window tax would be so great that it would not be possible to resist it. But many gen tlemen thought the repeal of the half of the malt duty would not be proper, and that the whole should he re pealed. The relict given by time repeal of the half would be partial ; the expensive establishments for collecting, the remaining half must be kept up ; the inquisition into the manufacturers' processes, which was at present so vex atious, must be preserved, and, therefore, it was said it would be better to repeal the whole. If there were any force in that argument, the whole amount of the taxes to he repealed was not 6,800,000/. as had been stated by the Hon. Member fur Worcester, but 7,300,0001. The total amount of the malt tax lest year was 4,800 000/. ; the amount of the house and win how duty was 2,500,000/. , and if they repealed both, therefore, that would entail a reduction of the revenue of not I, ss than 7,300,000/. The Hon. Member for Middlesex said that they might make reductions in every branch of the public service, so as to reduce the expenditure and prevent a deficit. They had voted the army estimates—they had voted the amount of the naval force—they had voted part of the ordnance esti mates, and he considered it impossible after those votes to the House to look for any reduction so as to repair the de ficiency. The lion. Member said, make redactions ; yes, make reductions first, and then reduce taxation —( Hear, hear.) Would the hopes arid security of the public cre ditor, when he sere a large defieit, be , satisfied by the probability that the House might ultimately reduce three millions of the expendieure 1 He would say, make your reductions, and then reduce taxation. If they tapealed the taxes proposed they would injure pub l ic c r e dit irreparably. With respect to rescinding the vote of the other evening, he thought it far better to rescind that. than to leave it if that vote were unwise. He saw no dignity in persevering in the wrong. Tht. question sv whether the vote were consistent with the good of the country, and if it were not, were they precluded from re. seinding it? The argum nt against rescinding it, woul apply to rejecting every Bill on a third reading which had been read a second time. It was said that if they re scinded this vote they would have other questions agitated ; but the only reason why those questions were not agitated now was not in respect to the dignity of the House, but because there was fear that they would not he successful. --(Hear, hear.) He repeated that the repeal of the halt of tile malt duty carried with it the repeal of the whole; and if the whole duty were repealed, and the house and would not be able to satisfy window tax were repeale d, the y the public creditor ; for it was a perfect delusion to suppose the deficiency and by a reduction ofexpenditure. The only a!ternative , then , could be made up b y increised consumption was a property tax, to which he was decidedly opposed. lie would not pledge himself beyond time pre-ent occasion, but he would say, that in the present circuinstanc,s of the country, and, at the present period of the ses sion, a prop rty and an income tax would be a wet calamity, He con-idered a property and an income tax as inseparable. He knew that in pr. .posing a property tea, it was seed that income should be exempt froth its cp7a tion. That would be establishing a principle ut spoliation to lax ptoperty, and preclude income from the tax. Ile would take the case of a man, who, by frugality and in dustry, hail amassed a fortune of 10,000/., which he had vested in the Funds ; lie would suppose that the man had two sons, on whose education he. had bestowed much care and a large sum; and that these two sans, in consequence of that education, were making large prof . essional incomes; were the two sons to escape, and the father to he taxed ? 'Was he alone to be subject to this demand ; and was there any justice in such a proceeding ? It a property tax were imposed, there must also be an income tax. If either were imposed, there must be a rigorous inquisition into every nian's property, as a necessary concomitant. He would not say that circumstances might net arise, in war, or evt n peace, to justify such a tux ; hut, in the present circumstances of the countiy, it would not be proper to levy an income and property tax ; or the effect of which must be, if they Fete justly levied, to expose every man's business to a rigorous inquisition. It was a tax which would encourage immorality, fraud, and perjury—it would discourage industry, which, in a country iike this, no tax ought to do. Setting aside the circumstance that, generally speaking, it was better to submit to taxes already established than have recourse to others, he must say that a property tax would he most injurious. The tax upon houses and windows was not, in his opinion, a bad tax. If unjustly apportioned, let that injustice he redressed. In principle it was not bid ; and this inequality was not necessarily a part of it. The amount of income might he concealed ; but men could not conceal the value of a house, or the number of windows. In principle, he did not know a tax more free from objection. If any county or district were unfairly taxed, let the other counties bear their fair pro portion. The Hon. Member for Lincolnshire (Mr.Heath cote) had made a most patriotic speech to night ; but he could assure that Hon. Member, that if a property tax were established, the farmers of Lincolnshire would not escape that tax as they now escaped the window tax. The Learned Sergeant (Spankie) had spoken in favour of in direct taxation, which certainly was a good species of taxation, because persons hail voluntarily, and could appor tion their expenses to the tax; but it treght be carried too far. It had limits, beyond which it gave rise to smuggling, and defeats(' the object in view If he had in his possession the produce of a property tax anniunting to 7,300,0001., he did not say that he would reduce the malt duty, and the house and window duties.—(Hear, hear, hear.) There were malty other taxes, the reduction of which might confer much greater benefits on the country, and spread those benefits more equally over the agricul turists and the commercial part of the country, and over the different classes of agriculturists, the growers of oats and the grasiets, as well as the barley growers.—(Hear, hear.) But his main objection, he repeated, to the repeal of taxes was, that it could not be done and preserve faith with the public creditor, unless a property and incum tax were imposed. He knew that it was a popular notion with many person:, that a tax might he laid on property only, and that income might escape, and that the tux on property might be graduated, and very productive. Let them be assured, however, if they applied a graduated property tax, that the principle would hereafter be carried further ; that they would discourage industry, and make men transfer their capital to other coun , ries. lie said that the hope of dishonest gains would defeat itself—that it could not succeed, and that a property tax would only operate to discourage industry, to take away all stimulus to honest exertion, and to force men to seek a more sale country than England for their honest accumulation. — (Hear, hear.) For these reasons lie should oppose the motion of the Hun. Baronet, and vote for the motion of the Noble L do], because„he considered it inexpedient now to have recourse to a property tax.—(Fleur, hear ; loud calls of it Question.'') Mr. O'CONNELL, after a short time, obtained a hearing, and said, that the Right lion. Baronet thought only of one class of public creditors—those who had money in tl.e Funds—but he forgot that more numerous class of public creditors to whom the House owed free institutions. The 'Luse owed it to the people to relieve them from some of their burdens—to remit a large p .rt of the taxation. With the people faith ought to be kept ; and the House might keep faith with them, by reducing the establishment-. By that be believed that the House might keep faith with both ; but, as it went on at pre sent, it would in the long run keep faith with neither. Tile Right Hon. Baronet said that they could not reduce the taxation, because the army was voted, and the navy was voted. fle said, rescind those votes.—(Hear, hear.) Was the House to rescind no other votes than those which were favourable to the people? By voting against the motion of the Hon. Baronet, they would pledee them selves to support the Noble Lord's Budget, and that had elven small satisfaction either in the House or out of the House. They informed the people, too, that they were to have no relief of the house and window tax. It was most desirable that they should consider what might be the consequence of that. They should remember that to-morrow, when the newspapers informed the public of their decision, what the Noble Earl now in the other House said before the Reform Bill was passed, that he welt d pay nu taxes, might find a million of people ready to act upon it. If the people refused to pay the taxes, the fundholder would nut be secure; then would they rescind the only favourable vote they had yet come to for the people ? For three months they had done nothing fur them—(Hear, hear)—and now that they had done some thing they were to undo it. He did not see the necessity of a property tax to supply the place of the taxes it was proposed to reduce. It was their business to begin by reducing taxation, and leave the gentlemen opposite to find out the means of supplying themselves or reducing the expenditure.—(A laugh.) He wished to strike down the taxes, and to teach the Ministers to practise economy. It was not necessary to have a property tax and keep on the present taxes ; but the Ministers seemed to wish to lay on a property tax and keep on the present taxes. It was sail that if they impose an income tax, it must extend to all parts of the country—to Ireland. That was meant to each the Irish Meiners t but would they be so unjust as to take off a tax from England, a tax which Ireland did not ply, and impose a general tax, which she did pay? Ile wished to see an income tax in Ireland, but they would never re so unjust as to relieve England of 2,000,0001 and im pose a pert of that on Ireland. lie implored the House to look at the effect their vote was likely to have on the people, and to give them this boon. It they voted against the repeal Of the house and wiudo v tax, they told the people tory were to have no diatinution of their burdens, they would . shut the door against hope, and bid them be content with the present tniserable Budget.—(Loud calls of " Question.") An I-lox. MEMBER. obtained a hearing after some time: we coed only gather from him that he would vote for the Ministers, and against the repeal of the house and window tax,—(Again loud calls of " Question," and " Divide.") Sir S. 'WHALLEY, we believe, moved the adjourn int-nt of the debate. Mr. O'CONNELL seconded the motion. Immense confusion prevailed fer some time in the House, with the cries of " Adjourn !" " No, no !" Com parative silence being obtained, Lord ALTHORP appealed to the Hon. Member whether it would be fair or just to press his amendment. considering the situation in which his Majesty's Ministers would be placed, if the House did not come to a decision on this print --(Cheers.) Ile was well aware that t e bad given but very short notice of this proposition ; but the reason was, the absolute necessity which presented itself, alter the majority of Friday night, that a final deci sion should be come oas soon as possible. lie, therefore. trusted that the Hon. Member would suffer the House to go on.—(Lund cries of " Go on ! go on !" " No, no.") Sir SNMLIEL WHALLEY hail no desire to embar rass Ministers ; but silt he must say that this vital ques tien--a question intimately involving the immediate inte rests of a million and half of people in one me•ropells, ought to have the most mature consideration, and as yet he had by no means heard sufficient disseussion oil the subject.—(Renewed uproar—" Go un.") 1k would pro ceed, then, to speak to the qu.stton, since that appeared to be the wish of the House, anti in so doing he would not detain House long. Ile had risen for this purpose at least twenty tenes—(A laugh)—and he saw many gentlemen round him who were equally anxious to de clare their sentiments on this all-important subject, and this had been his sole reason for wishing mot e time to be allowed for discussion. lie believed that if he had been present on Friday Le should have given his support to Ministers, because he thought that the m sit tax not being, in his opinion. line of those taxes which pressed most heavily upon the people in general, it appeared to him that it would have been w ore eligible to do away with sonic other tax, which did more immediately press upon the nation at large. The real question at issue was, whether the me tropolis was or was net to bear the very large portion of an assessment, from which west other places were, in a great measure, exempt ? (tlear.) In putting the ques tion thus, he Was far `tom any desire that the country eentlenien should h 2 called upon to bear the inequality. What he desired 'o see was, equality of taxa-ion through out all interests. Several 11. n. Menu ens had asserted that the Metropolis was not mere burdened with house t r, t r n , thud:e a w , i he nf o io : tv ir assessments Ni,si.n a i‘inet) t i, than other b e e p n .: parts g e c u o n u d n e ' very stranee misconcepti on , an d wo uld acknowledge i t of indisputable Parliamentairnyt°arnind"ottlhieerm'd(o)nci:mheeisittrs:n:;htaht the metropolis alone paid a greater amount of taxation than twenty-four of the counties put together, although her population woo only one-third that of those tweiry four counties.—(llear, heir.) The Hon. Member for Lincolnshire took the lead in insulting the great consti tuencies by dots supporting this odious tax, merely hecautte it was only triflingly felt by his own constituency. The house and window taxes were, in the worst sense of the word, property and income tax ; for where a man has 1001. a-year, they take away 5/. of it.—(Hear.) The same objection did not appear to prevail to the window as to the house tax; and if the Noble Lord had come down prepared to repeal the latter, tlie discontent would not have been so great as it was, though the people would by no means have been altoeether satisfied. Some of the Hon. Members had seemed to argue, that though the metropolis might be called upon to bear the higher por tion of assessment it cnuld well afford it, and talked of the rich merchants, and wealthy people of all ranks and sorts who lived in it ; these Hon. Members spoke as if all the inhabitants of London were rich lords and gentlemen ; let them make an impartial circuit through London and the environs, and they would find whole streets where the people were even starving, destitute of food or raiment ; and they would find, too, that the mid Ile classss were in that extreme state of depression generally, which rendered it not possible for them to pay their taxes. He had himself presented several petitions from various bodies of his constituents, which all were to the effect that the people would not, because they could not, any longer pay their taxes. He was riot pre pored to vote for an income tax, but was quite willing to support a tax on land and real property. He by no means concurred with the Hon. Member for Tamworth and others, in supposing that a property tax must by ne cessity include an income tax. Nor did he at all see that there would be any violation of faith in making the public creditor pay his proportion towards the support of Govern ment. Several eentlemen had attempted, as he before said, to show that London felt the house tax no heavier an infliction than ocher places: why, half the house's assessed in the country were sioiated in the metropolis. The whole rental of the country is 11,154,0001., of which not less than 5,143.0001. is assessed as the proportion of the metropolis.—(Hear.) If any Hon Member could point out any other tax which bore so unequally upon any other portion or interest of the community, he (Sir S. Whalley) would be one of the first of the metropolitan representatives to advocate its repeal. He denied the assertion which had been made, that London and Liverpool were the only places that male any stir about the house and window tax ; so far from this being the case, there had been not less than sixty petitions pre sented from various great towns in the country, Birming ham, Norwich, Coventry, Brighton, Bristol, Bath, Edinburgh, &e. There were no grounds for continuing these abominable tax-s. The Hon. Member apologised for so long intruding upon the House—(Cheers) —but it was quite impossible for him to give a silent vote on this question, which he was compelled to say would be against Ministers; he was in some points sorry for this; but deep as was his duty and gratitude to the Government for the measure which had among others brought him into Parliament, his duty was still gre tter to his constituen , s, and therefore when the alternative was offered, he could not hesitate.—( Hear, hear ) Ile thanked the Ministry for the alterations they had made in tloir financial plan; for as to the original propositions with recerence to reduction, they were a mere mockery and insult on the people. He himself should wish to have the assessments made at a graduated scale. Let those who have most pay most and not least. Sir FRANCIS BURDETT commenced with stating the reasons which had induced his late colleague (Sir J. C. Hobhouse) to resign his office and seat ; which were solely because he felt that the measures which he was offici ally called upon to advocate, were not such as he believed would be thought consistent with the views of his consti tuents, and he had therefore thought it most advisable as a matter of justice to both parties, to resign both his office and his seat. The measures of the Government in their present trying position were such as he thought he could not bring forward without a aicrifice of his public character, in rendering himself lianle to the charge of a selfish policy; and to avoid the possibility of this imputa tion he 11,1(1 altogether retired from office and from his seat. He (Sir Francis) having nothing to do with office, could not come under the possibility of this imputation of se.fish motives of action, and lie should vote as his con science dictited. He did not intend now, as he bed pre viously intended, to vote for the Hon. Alderman's motion. He must certainly confess he had intended to vote for this motion, because his constituents were more particu larly interested in the matter, and he would still have done so had it come as a substantive motion before the House. It was not now, however, a question simply of the repeal of the house and window taxes, but the reduc tion of several important taxes ; and it had not been shown that these reductions could be made without in jury to the public service. There were three questions on the tapis. First, whether the vote of Friday should be rescinded, and he hail heard no reason why it should not be rescinded, or why it should ever have been carried, and yet they were now called upon to vote for an additional defalcation of the revenue; and there was also the pro position of the Noble Lord, with which he did not entirely agree. He was, however, bound to say, merely as a theo rist, that it appeared to him there could be no tax more proper or more equal than a property tax, but Si many practical men had started such apparently well founded difficulties, that he must beg leave to suspend his judg ment on the subject. It certainly did not appear to him at all au advisable thing to lessen the revenue by six or seven millions at a blow, merely on the speculation of an effective substitute, for there bad appeared nothing but speculations as yet. The question amounted to this ----whether the Government was er was not to be supported ? He felt no hesitation as to what to do in this emergency. lie owed the debt of the deepest gratitude to those Ministers for the inestimable boon of reform.—(Hear.) He considered them the honestest Ministry we ever bail—the least swayed by pri vate motives—the most public spirited, and therefore he felt that they deserved the support of every honest man. —(Cheers.) There had been a great variety of opinions about the currency question ; now lie was not going to give any decided one himself, though he was one of the " currency doctors "--(A laugh)—but he put it to the House whether there must not he some peculiarity in the state of the country, when after a lung peace, when since the war every Ministry had acted on the principle of re dection—wnen it is considered that in this time not less than 34 millions of taxes have been taken off—when, notwithstanding all this, there clearly appears to be an a l m o s t unexampled universal pres.ure, it must clearly strike any plain man that there must be some peculiar reason for all this. The contraction of the income of the country rendered it almost impossible to meet the demands upon it. Everybo iy was bitterly complaining. People were herding together in poverty and misery ; cold and hunger were doing their worst ; five or six people were obliged to sleep together on the floor, with no covering but a single blanket, and lie would leave the House to judge weether there must nut be a strong contention among the six which should have the most of the blanket. The Honourable Baronet then went into a description of the tuggings for t' ,e blanket on this side and that, and the consequent uncoverings of the less fortunate, which excited some amusement in the House. The Honourable and Learned Member fur Dublin seemed to make a great outcry against twelves 49 income tax in Ireland ; but lie (Sir Francis) by nu means saw any' reason why the nuble:nen and g .ntlemen of Ireland should net be taxed as well as the noblemen and gen !eaten of this country. Ile did not for a moment mean to deny but that there existed considerable distress in Ireland ; but this was moons those who would not he subject to !he income tee. At the same time the House should call to mind that no countre hid made larger strides towards prosperity than Ireland had in the last thirty or forty years; the only thing was that the advance of popu lation was mo re than cien t nensurate.--(Uproar, and cri s of " Question.") He did not think the present project by any weans a safe one, for no sale substitute had been "Pa:est . (' ; and it was perfectly unreasonable to ask the Government. uneer these circumstances, to make such an immense defalcation in the revenue. He however trusted that there might tie f mud some secure remedy for the taxes which were now cernplainee of, and in that case lie would most readily advocate it. Lord SANDON had a petition from his constituents against this grievous tax ; but, under present chem. etatices, he owed thorn a greater duty than to support the prayer of t i l t i . ebrre: l :, l ,re e eb is t i : i ,f s te l p ied to preserve public credit—the hinge o e t v ' e e r s i terythitig. The e resent propositions would pa uagbl,iiicn,itndouhwsititiy. end enterprize, and Mr. W. HARVEY observed, that the Hon. Baronet, the Aleinher for Westminster, hail said that the question was one uf great embarrassment to Government. It might be so, but they bed placed thems.lves in to Ile did nut blam e toe Noele Lord for giving the House an opportunity o f rev i s i ng t h e i r vote o f Friday ; for no thin g was good that would not bear re-consideration. B . " he had listened with great expectation, but with great disap pointment, f or sca , explanation of the words "at pre "",. . 05 the Noble Loru's proposition. What was meant by saying th at. i t was not at present expedient t o resort ,o it property tax? All the adherents of Government, and iloo theprpßigelrittyltiaox ought Hon. Member n utto b for Te dp aantwootretdie: h a d declared that a property except under ~~ aflame circumstances. What were those cireumstancps? The Hon. Baronet, Vie Member for Westanineter, had to ked of the present state of the session. Why, to all practical purposes, they were in the infancy of the session What had bten done ? The Government which had pro niked so much, and from whew so much had been ex p. e t e d , now appeared to intimate that they bad run their full measure of economy ; thereby telling the country that all their hopes were frustrated, and negativing the just expectations of the people. It had been saie by the opponents of the repeal that no substitute had h:en suggested ; but must all the Members of the House be Chancellors of the Exchequer ? A substitute, however. fend b en suggested, and that substitute was a property tax. His principal object in rising, however, had been to avail himself of the opinion given a few years ago, not by Mr liuskisson, nit by Mr. Ricardo, but by a Right Hon. Gentleman who now held a high station in the Govern ment, fir which it was said he was indebted to a speech which he made on a financial question. He alluded n the Right Hon. the. Vice-President of the Board of Trade. who, in 1830, a few months before he entered upon office. o*.seryed in that House- " And here I take the opportu nity of stating, that I entirely concur with my Right Hon. Ft tend, the Member for Liverpool, in opinion of the ex pediency of a commutation of taxes for an income tax. I declare my concurrence in his view of the subject ; and I agree with him that, under proper regulations, and with adequate securities, such a change in our system of tax a t on would be beneficial in the highest degree." All the sup porters of his Majesty's Government, who had treated of e property tax, had treated it as visionary and dangerous ; yes here was a Memtser of the Administration pronouncing that in his opinion it would he beneficial in the highest degree. But if it were not thought desirable, without considera tion, to impose a property tax, let the malt tax and the house and window tax be repealed, and borrow the deft ' ciency, if it amounted to seven millione, on the crown lands, which might be done at two or two and a half pet cent. ; placing those lands in the hands of trustees. The opponents of a property tax said that it would excite such indignation that it would not continue to be paid for six months. In whom? In those who were to pay it? What 1 . The landlords ! The owners of the soil ! Those who were formerly so ready to sacrifice their lives and fortunes in the support of the present system ! Was it to be supposed ttiat they would become so rebellious, ao jacobinical, as to refuse to pay the tax? The Hon. Member for Westtnin est e r talked of the blanket which was insufficient to cover all those who were struggling to obtain a share of it. But he forgot that, under the centre of the blanket, there were some persons lying snugly enough.—(Hear, hear, and a laugh.) Lord JOHN RUSSELL would not occupy the House with any remarks on the general subject, but would make a few observations on the question of the lion. and Learned Gentleman who had just spoken, as ro the mean ing of the words " at present," in his Noble Friend's motion. He perfectly concurred with the Noble Lord, the Member for Liverpool, that, at the present moment, it was most essential to adopt such measures as were calcu lated to secure the confidence of the country. To this result of their deliberations the country looked with the greatest anxiety and expectation. At the present moment the House had to consider the great questions of the Bank of England Charter, the East India Company's Charter, and the state of the West Indies. It had been said by au Hon. Member that there were eight different principles on which the property tax might be imposed. It must, therefore, be it wetter of great deliberation to determine which of those principles was most deserving of adoption. He concurred, therefore, entirely with his Noble Friend, that however the subject might undergo subsequent and general consideration, "at present" it would be highly inexpedient to resort to the property tax.—(Hear.) Nor could he agree with an Hon. Member that it would be des ruble to impose a property tax for any comparatively small sum. If imposed at all, it ought, in his opinion, to be imposed to an extent which would justify a large reduction of other taxation, and thus give a spring to the Industry of the country. He begged to say one word iu answer to the statement of the lion. and Learned Member for Dublin, that it would be unjust to impose a property tax on Ireland. He was quite ready to admit that the pressure of such a measure on Ireland ought to be consi dered ; but he thought it only fair to state, that if it were thonebt expedient to adopt a property tax at all, it ought to fall ellualiy on Ireland and on this country. Dr. LUSHINGTON adverted to the situation in which the Hon. Members who represented the metropolitan dis tricts were placed on this question, and the necessity under which they laboured to explain the grounds of their vote. lied the motion of the Hon. anti Worthy Alderman been made before Friday last, be (Dr. Luehington) should certainly have voted for it ; for in the district which he represented, there was so much suffering and calamity, the inhabitants were so overwhelmed by a di minution of trade, and by other difficulties, that it was his firm conviction, that it would be all but impos sible for them to pay the house and window tax in the present year. Such was the state of the population of that district, that there were persons earning only eight, nine, or ten shillings a week, who were neverthe less liable to pay the house and window tax for the houses they inhabited. But he had only the choice of two evils ; and the question which he asked himself was, which was the lees evil to inflict on his unfortunate con stituents? It was proposed to add the repeal of the house and window tax to the repeal of the malt duty, and to supply the deficiency in the revenue by a property tax. , Now which would be the greater evil? To continue the house anti window tax, modified, as his Noble Friend pro posed to modify it, and the malt duty, which was not very sensibly felt by his constituents, or to propose a pro perty or income tax, without any defined limitations, without ascertaining how it was likely to operate ; with no guide as to the winner in which it would be received, other than the melancholy experience of the detestation and horror with which it bad formerly been considered by the greater portion of the people as the most inquisitorial imposition that ever existed. He, for one, had voted fur the motion of the Hon. Member for Worcester. If that motion bad been carried, and a Comtnitte had been ap pointed, the result would have bees a report, showing one of two things—either that a property tax was practicable, under certain limitations and restrictions, or that it was impracticable altogether. In voting for his Noble Friend's amendment, he was sure that he would lose all his power in the district which he had the honour to represent, and that he was sacrificing himself to a sense of duty. But he perfectly agreed in the opinion of Burke, as quoted by the Right lion. Member for Tamworth, that if the Members of that House did not obey the dictates of their conscience, arid of their sober and deliberate judg ment, they would become the mere puppets of their consti tuents. If that were the case formerly, it was still more strongly the caee in the present times ; and he was deter mined that his own judgment should be his guide, and that no earthly power should induce him to act in contra diction to its dictates. He had one motive more for the course which he was pursuing, and which he would honestly avow. He had been for seven-and-twenty years attached to his friends who now held the reins of Gov,rn merit ; and he should rue it as the greatest mischief that could oeeil the country if they, and his Neble Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer especially, were to retire from office.—(llear, hear, hear.) In would give him the deepest pain if any vose of his should contribute to so melancholy a catastrophe; convinced as he was, without weaning to disparate any other individual, that it would tie most difficult to find a substitute fur his Noble Friend of equal honesty and integrity. —( Hear, hear, hear.) Mr. W. BROUGIIANI would not take up the time of the House for five minutes. He also was placed in a situation of great difficulty.—(A laugh.) The Hon. Gentleman might sneer, but lie little knew what it was to see the extraordinary distress which prevailed among three hundred thousand persons in the district which he had the honour to represent, to know that they believed that distress won d he gtearly alleviated by the repeal of the house and window tax, and yet to feel that—although under other circumstances he would support the repeal to the utmost of his ability—yet that be fund himselt se placed, that, as an honest man, he must vote against the proposition. He had been returned to that H use on no pledges. All that he had assured his conseituents was, that lie would vote honestly. If the proposition were singly for the repeal of 1 the house told window tax, lie shirald feel no hesitation in supporting it. But taking the repeal of that ta in con nexion with the repeal of the malt duty, the question arose if they could do without it. If not, Government svoula be placed in a situation of great difficulty. Under the existing circumetanc s, he could not vote for the repeal of aey tax until an adequate substitute had been provided. In supporting his Noble Friend's amendment, however, be pledged himself no further than to vote the inexpediency of repealing those taxes and imposing a property tax at Use present moment; leavieg it perfectly open for the future, to consider whether a property tax, under proper litnita tions, might not be a dvantageously adopted. Mr. i ENNYSON rose, amidst loud cries of " Ques tion, question." It had not been his intention to say a circle o ord ; but it seemed to be expected that all the representatives of the metropolitan districts should explain the reaeons of their vote..--(" No, no ;" and prolonged shouts of " Question, question.') As the representative of a large constituency, he felt entitled to express his sentiments ; and if Hon. Gentlemen persisted in inter rupting him, Ire would move an adjournment. In the vote which he was about to give, he felt himself as free . from pledges as the two H.,0. Gentlemen who had pre- ede4 him: Undo uhieffiy, !Avow, he had &eland in the f c? of his constituents, that, in his opinion, the house and window tax was one of the first that ought to be repealed. He thought it would be dishonest to take off so large a portion of the taxes, without being first pre pared with a proper substitute, which he had not yet heard. The only reason which would induce him to support a property tax, was the new spring which it would give to the industry of the people: He thought it ' would have been better if Ministers bad not induced Members who had propositions to make regarding taxes, t‘i delay their motions till after the promulgation of the budget, as they now seemed determined to bold by that b u d g et, in opposition to any propositions which might be made. The [I Member concluded by saying that he w,aild vote for the motiou of the Hon. Member for Lon -4,ll.—(Cries of " Question.") An HON. MEMBER (whose name we could not learn) made a few observations, which, amidst the general cries ~ 1 ‘4 Question," it was impossible to hear. i,Nnfliisrict.erLl:EutuEaseaCtHbhiesnnai,dtiai,vkitedhneadbt,yiwtsuhwrepnarsitsheaetreur(d e t a o r sa h y ea t r h . a ) t the u e ,tw no r e ason why he should alter the vote which he bad riven on Friday.—(Loud cries of " Question.") appeared — For the motion 157 For Lord Althorp's amendment....... 355 Majority l9B Ou our admission to the gallery, we found the House •91:,saged in desultory conversation respecting the course of proceeding to be adopted. Mr. HUNIE declared, that after the overwhelming ma jority against the repeal of the malt tax and the house tad window duties, he should not feel himself justified in messing him amendment to a division. He, therefore, withdrew it. Sir W. INGILBY complained of the manner in which the question of the repeal of the malt duty had been smo thered under that of the house and window duties. lie thought the House ought to decide directly whether this you'd rescind the motion of Friday. For that purpose lie would move, as an amendment on Lord Althorp's, now she original resolution, that all the words relating to the !milt duty should be omitted.—(Hear.) Major HANDLEY—The Noble Lord had complained .if the embarrassment in which he had been placed ; but also, had been placed in great embarrassment. Think ing he understood the English language, he bad believed the Noble Lord would have been the last man in the House to say what he did not mean. On Friday night, after the debate, he went down to his constituents, and told them that half the m ,It duty had bean repealed. He was in t'se market the following day—the joyous countenances of the farmers—he saw what had not been seen for some time—smiles upon their countenances—and he came back instructed to ask the Noble Lord whether be would take the duty off stock in hand ?—(A laugh.) If the Noble Lord propsed thus cavalierly—(No, no ! Yes, yes!)— he said, thus cavalierly—(Hear, hear, hear)—to rescind the motion to which the Mouse came the other night, he would add fearfully to the despondency and despair which already existed.--(He hear.) Mr. BARING said, if the House intended to rescind the resolution, they should do it with something like decency and propriety.—(Hear.) The question should be settled by a formal resolution. Sir THOMAS FREMANTLE said, that though he bad not voted for the resolution on Friday, yet, considering how much the feelings of the people had been excited by the vote to which they then came, he should support that vote. They were bound to keep the promises which they had made to the people.—(llear.) Sir W. INGILBY declared he would press his amend ment to a division. He had hitherto supported the present Administration ; but from their conduct on this occasion all the confidence which he bad hitherto had in them was destroyed.—(Hear.) The House then divided, when there appeared— For Sir William Ingilby's Amendment l3l Against it 265 Majority for Ministers ---154 While strangers were withdrawn, it was understood that Sir W. INGILBY moved that leave be given to bring in a Bill putsuaut to the resolittion respecting the duties on malt passed on Friday last, upon which the House divided— Noes Ayes Majority in favour of Ministers —162 Lord ALTHORP also moved that the House, at its rising, do adjourn till to-morrow (Thursday), which was agreed to without opposition. Whin we entered the gallery, the House was proceed ing with the other orders of the day, which being dis posed uf, it adjourned precisely at four o'clock this morning. SPIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS. A great deal of interest was excited last night respecting the proceedings in the House of Commons, and the result of Lord A!thorp's proposed resolution. It was perfectly understood that the Ministry intended to resign if driven to the alternative of abandoning the malt and house duties, seeing the adoption of a property tax as a substitute. L ird Althorp last night confirmed this report, or rather repeated this threat. The Noble Lord stated, at considerable length, his reasons for objecting to the imposition of a property t ax , pointed out the impossibility of conducting the service of the country with a revenue diminished by the amount of the duties proposed to be repealed, and defended the grounds on which he called upon the house to re-consider the vote of Friday, while it resisted the mutton of last night. He explained what he c Bled " the surprise" prac tised on the House on Friday, and argued that the prece dcot of being invited to reconsider its vote could not be dangerous, considering all the circumstances, though he regretted its necessity. If, with a full view of all the circumstances before them, if, on reconsideration, Honourable Members should decide that the malt and house duties should be repealed, and, as a conssquence, that a property tax should be imposed to supply their place, then he could only say that the opinion of the House differed so widely from his, that he could not longer be considered as the proper person for can lusting the fivaticial affairs of the country under the direction or with the confidence of Parliament. The House of Commons could always, indeed, compel a Mi nistry to obey their instructions, or to act upon their views, but they could not command soy particular indi viduate to remain Ministers when their plans or sense of public duty did not agree on a point so important as the entire alteration of our system of taxation with the decision of the Parliamentary majority. This expla nation was received by what appeared to us marks of assent from a great majority of the House. It was fo lowed by speeches f oat various Members. Sieve of them supported the views of Governmenr,-... others (such as Mr. Hume) could not see the necessary altet native of retaining the obnoxious duties or of vot ing a property tax; and, finally, others agreed to the abolition of the duties along with the adoption of the proposed substitute. The House, which had shown great symptoms of impatience, at length divided, and the amend ment of Lord Althorp was carried by a very large ma jority,—a result, we have no doubt, owing to tlie fear of the resignation of the Ministers as much as to the dislike of a property tax. The Tories may read in this vote the degree of their popularity. But while we view with pleasure this striking proof of the disposition to support the Mini•ters generally, we cannot abut our eyes to the fact that the de eat of the motion for the repeal of the house and window tax will occasion the severest disap. poiiitment throughout all parts of the kingdom.— Times. We never entertained a doubt as to the result of the proposition of Lord Althorp. We knew that, however i,m t the Squirts alight be of raising the price of barley, tie hire mention of a property tax would bring them to their senses. We have more dread of the class of land. owners who pay largely to the house and window tax, but who know tee), would contribute little to any property tax. A sort of boon was, however, held out to toe sinali shopkeepers to pacify them, to which we shall, he:Tatter, allude. The amendment of Lord Althorp was carried he a majority of 355 to 157, that is, 198 in a House of 51Q. Such has been the success of the appeal from Philip drunk tt Philip sober. Whatever our system may be, and nut lishle to any objections, it will not be abandoned for a property tax. The announcement of Lord Althorp, on Monday night, prepared the public for the proceedings of last night. The vote of Friday night, and the repeal of the house and window duty prupo.ed last night by Sir John Key, far exceeded the utmost possible retrenchment ; and the choice lag, therefore, between the continuance of t;.e house and window and malt taxes, and a property and income tax. Besides, as Lord Altben p observed, it would be better to take off the whole of the malt tax, than to reduce it to ten shillings the quarter. But a property tax is a serious matter. Tuts Lord Althorp, list night, took care to impress on th m. " I ilsink," said hi s Lo r d s hip, " the House ought to have this tairly placed before them. They ought to consider what f.he alternative is, and whether it is one which, in their prudence and discretion, they think it advisable to ado p t. He added that it would nut be prudent to raise less than ten or twelve millions by a property tax. And he dwelt nn the unpopularity of the property tax in 1816, and asked if there were any reasons for ouppo,ing that it would be more popular now. His Lordship, in his somee rn a ess r to run down a property tax, had recto.,tr Hun.to MeAt meats not altogether ceaclusiv!. ss the other even n ing er , for Bridport," said his Lord !op, stated that, seeing the out e u vions to a property tax, he was prepared to adopt en ling; ilia i and be argued,