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and thitt >all diplomatic pensions - alequid be , to 40,000/. a yea r . Neither 'of these suggestions, l however, had received the least ntention. Allow antes•were made without regard to any. rule, and: the• amount of the diplomatic superannuations was above 50,0001. One would think that they. would have been more • guarded in granting superan nuation to Consuls ;: but it appeared that they Were regularly on the increase. In 1821 the superan- , 'nuations•amottated to 1,190/.; in 1822 they were the Bute; but in 1826 they rose to 3,370/. ; in 1828 (Lortr Aberdeen!s-year) to 4,2701. ; and in 1830 to 5,300/. He would appeal to the House, and call apon the-Right Hen. Gentleman opposite to explain tat mystery to him. lie wished to knex4..what had become of the Committee appointed some time ago In this' very subject.—(Hear, hear.)--The Right Hon. Gentleman had done him the honour to ap point him a member of that Committee, but he had never received a summons to attend. A report had gone abroad that the present Parliament was not likely to last long. Perhaps that had rendered them indifferent to the fate of the Committee. What ever was the cause, the subject had passed over in silence. In the year 1830 something was said about it, and perhaps, in 1831, they might think of com mencing in earnest with those restrictions as to au perannuations and those measures of economy in which Ministers had as yet proceeded no further than to talk of taking ten per cent. off their own salaries, without doing anj thing of the kind up to the present moment. There were one or two com parisons as to the amount of charge for diplomatic expenses which be thought it of importance to lay before the.: House.. He found, on comparing the diplomatic, charges :of the year 1792 with the present year, that 'the bare Consular expenses of the present year exceed by 8,000/. the whole diplomatic ex penses of 1792.- He bad made another, calculation, • to which he would request- their attention—it was the per centage of the Consular charges on the im ports and exports of the South American States during the year 1829. He made his calculations on the official value, which was greater than the real value. The aggregate .offieial value of the imports and exports ,of all the South American States amounted to 11,470,0001.; the diplomatic charges amounted to 60,5311., which , was more than one half per cent. on the whole sum. He knew that that House did not like to hear comparisons with the United States of America, but he would confidently appeal to them to say whether the Con sular business of the American citizens was not as well performed in the different stations as our own. (Hear, hear.)—He had obtained from a quarter upon which he could depend, the charges for the civil Government of the United States, including the judicial allowances. The salary of the President was 25,000 dollars; that of the Vice-President was 6,000. The Secretary of State, the Secretary at War, and the Postmaster-General, had also salaries of 6,000 dollars each. The salary of the Chief Justice was 4,500 dollars. In short, the whole ex penditure, civil and • judicial, amounted to 92,500 dollars, or 20,8121. • Of their Consuls there were only three at the principal States of Europe who received any pay from the Government. These were the Consuls at London, Paris, and Madrid; and they received but a small sum, not exceeding 2,000 dollars each. The Consuls at Algiers and Tripoli, in consequence of the climate, and the du ties at these places, received 5,000 dollars. How the business of the American States was conducted the Members of that House were not ignorant. But he thought it would be well if the Government of this country would condescend to take example from that Republic. The American Consuls generally were paid in this way :—each Consul, on his ap pointment, entered into a bond, binding himself to adhere to a tariff of fees formed on a very moderate scale. The Consuls at Liverpool and at the Havan a* where so much business was transacted, re ceived under a thousand a year each. But the Whole of their diplomatic and consular expenses scarcely exceeded half the vote which was proposed that night for the adoption of Parliament. As he had mentioned the example of the United States, he wished to guard himself against being supposed to have overlooked the difference between a new Republic like the United.. States, and .an old Government like-the British Monarchy. He was friendly .to the institutions under which he was born, and from which.he enjoyed such blessings, and was far from wishing to see the cards shuffled once again, in the hope of being better satisfied with his chance. It was not from a wish to favour Republican institutions, for he would repeat that he preferred our own, that he alluded to the economy of the United States; it was from a sense of duty that he felt himself called upon to warn the Minis try that the course they were pursuing was full of danger. High prerogative had for many years given way to influence; but the present Ministers affected to despise influence, and to rest upon public opinion alone. He would contend that half-measures were always dangerous. If they were serious in putting influence aside, there was no course left them but to act up to public. opinion—(Hear, hear)—and public opinion -was daily gaining ground. The facts which he had stated were_known—the public mind was every day becoming more and more enlightened— and, with all the advantage of our institutions, the people would not fail to cast up the charge at which we engaged them, and to strike a balance between the benefit- and the expense. The Ministers had cut down the influence of the Crown to a certain ex tent. He would caution them how they neglected . public opinion. Having now gone farther than he intended when he first rose to address the House, he would next apply himself to the reductions Which he should propose to make. In doing so he would' take as a fair standard of the scale of expense the allowance which was made to the Consul-Ge neral at Russia. He was told that the Consul-Ge neral received a yearly sum from the Russian mer chants. But that, as he conceived, had nothing to do with the question. It was nothing to them what others might allow him. The sum paid to him by the public was 1,0001. a year. According to this standard he would reduce the salary of the Consul- General at Hamburg from 1,5001. to 1,0001. a year; those -of France and Spain, which were 1,600/. each, and all of the first class, to the same amount; and by this process lie would effect a re duction in the first-class of 4,0004 a year. To the Consuls in South America and on the coast of Africa, in consequence of climate and other circum stances' he would allow 1,500/. a year; but on the whole Consular expenses in Europe and South America he would effect a saving of 10,0001. a year: - The Hon. Baronet proceeded to say that he had intended to move a reduction in this vote of 11,1501.; but he should now limit his proposition to 8,0001. This reduction, though considerable, • was no more than the country had a right to ex pect- under the circumstances. He assured Mi nisters---that- he-had no ill will towards them; but they had not kept their word with the people. There never was an Administration which pro mised se fairly for economy, and. yet deceived the public so grievously. Let the House but look to. the jobs which they had sanctioned. What could in more barefaced than that of the lottery ? Mr. Adam, with .a large income besides, had a super annuation of 375,f. upon the lottery-office; and Mr. Brooksbank, whose income was 3,0001. a year, had a superannuation of 175/. a year at the same office. The rigour of the principle of the half-pay was ap plied to Capt. Frett, though be was ten years older than either of those men he had mentioned, and who was obliged to give up his half-pay, upon obtaining the superannuation allowance. This was only one out of many cases which called for revision and re trenchment; and he hoped the House would join with him in exacting them. He concluded by moving that the sum, as originally proposed, be re deced to 79,970/. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would confine himself to the particular vote before the House, which was for Consular appointments to America. He 'hoped to be able to show that the principle upon which these officers were now paid was precisely that which was recommended by this House, and adopted by Ministers, though rather against their own, opinions.. But, before going into, into that case, he wisb 6 d to say a Word'iri answer to, the attack made by the lion. Baronet upon Govern- fnent. That Hon. Baronet had thmagfit fit to im pute to Government that, though . they made',very . fair promises, they had not justified these professions by their conduct.. Now, upon that point he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) was ready to meet the Hon. Baronet in argument. He 'asserted that . there never was an Administration which so en- tirely neglected its patronage as the present, and that the Duke of , Wellington had not appointed a single Commissioner, though many became vacant in his time.—(Hear.) The Hon. Baronet had said that the, reduction of this estimate was an after thought ; but what was the fact ? The estimate was prepared in January last, and'since then two gentle.: men, the 'Consuls at Madeira and Haiti, had died; and their salaries fulling in of course made a dimi nution in the estimate, so that it was not an after thought. He (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) agreed generally with the Hon. Baronet, that•it was doubtful whether, the mode of paying Consuls by salaries instead of fees was the best ; but it was forced upon Mr. Canning by this House. It would appear that the fees were much more in amount than the salaries; for these would be found to amount to 61,0001., whereas the salaries amounted to only 49,0001., so that the shipping and commercial inte rests of the country had a clear gain of 12,0001. — (Hear.) It had, been for some time in contemplation to change the present system, and give Commis per mission to engage in commerce, for there were many towns where men, in business could do those duties more cheaply than others. The matter was now before . - Lord Aberdeen, but the differecces of opinion which prevailed amongst commercial men prevented thaf , Noble Lord from coming to any definite conclusion, or adopting any general rule. The relaxed rule had been, howeVer, applied in some cases, and the salaries reduced accordingly. But the Hon. Baronet must be sensible how difficult it was to deal with persons situated as these Con suls were, who had spent their youths, and the best part of their lives, and lost their health, abroad. If they were brought home, _and placed upon the .superannuation list, the Hon. Baronet would fall foul of Government, so.that it was difficult to know what to do.—(Hear.)—The Right Hon. Gentleman then went in detail into the cases which had been stated by the Bon. Baronet, and defended each. Mr. Nugent had spent five years abroad, and had lost his health. Mr. Schenley was obliged to stay at home, being threatened with some proceedings of a family nature, which would have ruined him in his absence; and 11r. M'Kenzie, the Consul to Hayti, had gone out not merely as Consul, but as general agent of Government, and had furnished some very valuable information, which had been laid upon the table of the House. With respect to the case of Mr. Bayley, the Consul to St. Petersburgh, the salary of 1,0001. only a year was given to him in con sideration of his receiving 1,500/. from the Russian Com pany, for Government estimated the salary of that Consul at 2,500/. a year. The Right Hon. Gentleman then contended that the comparison made by the Ron, Baronet between the salaries of American Consuls and those of this country was incorrect. The Hon. Baronet argued as if the fees were still retained by the Consuls, while it was well known such was not the fact. In addition to this American Consuls were allowed to trade —n privilege which-the recent Bill had taken from the British Consuls. Sir JAMES 'GRAHAM, in explanation, was under stood to say that his statement had not been correctly given by the Right Hon. Gentleman. He certainly had made a comparison between the incomes of the Consuls of the two countries, but he had not taken the fees fOrmerly received by the British into the account. , Mr. CHARLES WOOD supported the amendment In order to be convinced of the lavish expenditure of the Government in this instance, it was only necessary - to refer to a few of the items which had been paid to some of the Consols, Mr.,Voussin, -for instance,. bad received 7001. while at his post in South America ; he next year received the 7001. though he remained in England; and next year half that sum. Mr. HERRIES said there was a mistake in that account. Mr. C. WOOD then called the attention of the Corn- mittee to the cases of Mr. Schenley . and Mr. Nugent ; who had been receiving their salaries, while others had performed the duty. This was such wasteful expendij ture, that he was convinced Parliament would see the ne cessity of making a material reduction. Government, too ; hid acted on this principle already : they had appointed a Consul-General in Colombia, with a salary of 8001. a year, while they allowed- other Consuls-General to receive 2,0001. and 2,5001. a year. If the principle was good in one instance, it must be equally goosl in the other. The' CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, the office of Constil:•General in COlombia was to be abo lished, and the duty to be performed by a, Consul. • Mr. CHARLES WOOD said, admitting that to be the fact,. his argument still remained good, as there were Consuls-General at Mexico and. Buenos Ayres, with the same salary. Mr. HUME had pressed on Government the necessity of some alteration; which would deprive the Consuls 'of the power of charging the shipping interest as they pleased, and establish their salaries on a fixed scale. In order to prove the necessity of a change, he had collected a list of the charges on British shipping levied by the Consuls in the different parts of Europe,- and had proved to the House that there were hardly two ports where the charges were the same. In some parts the charges were five times greater, and in others ten times greater, than the charges of the French Consuls. In short, the Consuls might charge any thing they liked ; and for these reasons he pressed on the Government the propriety of placing all on the same footing, and also the necessity of furnish ing to the master of every vessel, on quitting London, a schedule of the charges which he had to pay on arriving at the port to which he was bound. Formerly 10,000/ a year had been paid by the Levant Company. This had been added to the general- charge,- and he considered this an- important improvement. The alterations which he proposed on former occasions were confined chiefly to two points—these. were to place the British Consuls on the same footing with those of France or the United States. The Consuls of the former country were paid a fixed salary, and those of the latter received moderate fees. He would have preferred the same fees as those granted to the American Consuls, who, be could state, from his own knowledge, were a most useful and respectable class of men. He bad pressed this proposition on - Mr. Canning, and he certainly, at the time, expected that it would have been adopted. Such, however, was not the fact ; and, though the Right Hon. Gentleman had stated that all, idea of taking fees was now abolished, he was 'ready to _ prove that, independent of salaries, the British Consuls still received more fees than the American. There were still charged two dollars for signing a document—one dollar for making an affidavit— five dollars for opening a will—and other charges in the same proportion. One of these charges he considered m ist objectionable—namely, that paid by half-pay officers, on making affidavit before the Consul to the contents of the schedule on which they claimed their pay. The amount altogether was very considerable, and was quite sufficient , to pay the Consuls without any additional salary from this country. So far from his being a party to the adop tion of this new system, be had most decided!) , objected, when the Bill was introduced, in 1825, to the clause which allowed salaries to the Consuls. The Right Hon. Gentle man, in proposing the measure, brought forward a number of ridiculous cases to show the propriety of giving them a fixed salary. Among the rest he stated that there had been a charge of 4/., or 16 dollars, for shoeing the Con sul's horse. In speaking of the peat expence, it was not this only which the Committee had to look to. They ought to look to the list of Consuls, and find out of what class of persons it was composed, and then they would see what qualifications they possessed for performing the .duty. It ought to be borne in mind, too, that the present charge was in direct opposition to one of the clauses of the Bill, which was, that " the Consuls should have reasonable salaries, and that they should be paid only when they were in actual duty."—(Hear. )--In allusion to what had fallen from the Right Hon. Gentleman respecting superannues! tions, he should only say that in case of illness he should not object to their receiving a part of their salaries for any reasonable time; bat he could not consent_that they should be paid out of the public purse for doing nothing. Such instances were not uncommon. He, for one, had voted a salary to a dead man for more than five yews, and disco vered the truth at last only by:accident.—(A laugh.)—He thanked the Right lion. Gent. for reminding hint of the circumstance, by noticing the deaths which had taken place. The business at present was performed not by mercantile men generally. -- To this he most decidedly objected, beeanse he kite* that the business could not be best done by inert nut acquainted with the trade. Another griev ance was, that Consuls had beef} anointed to places where there was little or no trade. • He had looked over a list of C.insuls in one tract in South America, where the Consuls received .10,300/. ; and the whole of the exports were only 70,000 tons, and the imports 277,000 tons, making a einirge on the whole of more than four per cent. Canning admitted the high charge, but at the same time 'said it was only tried as an experimat i and as soon as peace should be established, the salaries would be re duced. 'As yet; however; redueiiarrhad been - madr!., The Horn Member then lead a list of the charges made I,y British Consul 4 in the f,llowinizy :--Ru•sia, Sweden, Deninark, Italy, and older to show the great irregularity which existed. In some the charge fur every .500 tons was 3/. 12s. ; - its sabers 12/. 125., 341., 451., and even 5-1/. This was a-state of things' which certainly required reconsideration. The eharge for supporting chapels, too, be thought quite unnecessary. Formerly the sum was 18,000/. ; this year it was 7,000/., and he wished to see it entirely dispensed with. At Lisbon the English inhabitants assessed themselves for the expense, and - the same was done at Brazil. Ile therefore must come to the conclusion that a,great deal of expense might be saved, and in no way more effectually than by conferring the office upon Englishmen necessarily resident, on the spot, who would readily do the duty for the fee. The United States Consuls; though not paid so much, per-, formed more than the English. The maintenance of these appointinents was inconsistent with those professions of economy which Ministers made, and was inconsistent with the state of_ the country. • He would .propose'the with- drawal of the Consuls from the ports where there was no shipping, and the consignment of the business into the hands of respectable English merchants: . He was satisfied that one`-third of the EurOpean Consuls might at this ►noment:be withdrawn. • - • Mr. ROBINSON was one of those who had thought it advantageous to• have Consuls with salaries; but, look 7 ing at the abuses which laAl arisen from the system, be was satisfied that a most Ltd error had beet► committed by the Bill of 1825, and that the sooner the House re.. turned to a more rational and economical system, the bet ter it would discharge its duty. He'did not cOncur,With the llon. Baronet in the general charge he had made apinst Government for want of economy. Generally speaking, they were not liable to. such an imputation,; but he must say that the Chancellor was bound .to give an answer to what had been so ably argued by the lion. Ba ronet,- more especially to the fact of paying large salaries and allowances to gentlemen who whatever their talents might be, bad no duty to perform, whilst whatever duty there was to-perform was done by individuals on the spot, also paid by this country. He was one of those who thought the appointment of a Consul-General altogether unnecessary. Where we had regular - Ambassadors he" thought that Consuls ought to be entirelW;• dispensed with. Vice-Consuls were totally unnecessary where there were Consuls—though he believed there were Vice-Consuls who did the duty whilst the Consul did nothing whateve; . . He was not completely favourable to giving the office to mercantile men, as those men who had not the appoint ment were jealous of those who hal, thinking that by it they obtained advantages. But he would propose a tner• chant Consul with a fixed and fair table of fees. If such a mode as that were adopted, the country would be re lieved of this enormous charge of no less than 130,0001. Mr. MABERLY said that there was but one way of getting out-of the evil ; that was, by referring the matter to a Committee. With deferenceto the Hon. Baronet, he did not think that he had proposed a sufficient reduc tion. He ought to propose a much larger reduction. Under all_ the circumstances, he hoped the Hon. Baronet would press his motion to a division.—(Cries of " Ques tion, question.") Mr. STUART said that the argument of the Hon. Ba ronet had failed to convince him of the expediency of his ,motion,. and he would not vote for it. He placed ,more -reliance on the professions of Ministers than the Iron B ronet. He gave the Government credit for effecting per manent reductions, and on this ground he should support his Majesty's Government.—(Hear; hear.) Mr. HUME said that the Hon. Gentleman who had Lest spoken had reproached Members for declining to place confidence in his Majesty's Ministers, when scarcely one week had elapsed since the Hon. Gentleman had himself declared that he could not give them that confidence.— (Heir, hear.) fie Alluded to what the Hon. Member had stated respecting Ceylon, viz. that five or six years had passed, and Government. had done nothing which they had promised to do.—(Hear, hear.) To be consistent, the Hon. Gentleman ought now to give' his vote against Ministers, upon the very grounds' which he: had himself alleged.--(Hear, hear.) Sir R. PEEL dm not believe the lion. Gentlemin (Mr. Stuart) was guilty_lof the :slightest incons:stency. When the Hon. Gentleman said that he placed confidence in his Majesty's Government, he did' not thereby relininiSh his right to examine into a particular vote. He thought that his Majesty's Government had been unjustly arraigned upon this and on other occasions 'for want of economy. It was very well for him, who differed from his Majesty's Government upon a vote as to the Treasurer of the Navy, to argue that Ministers disregarded public opinion, because their opinion did not coincide with the Hon. Gentleman's. -(Wear, bear:).L—But . What - was the fact which he brought against this general accusation of want of eco nomy ? Why, that in the last year a sum of money had been voted for the public service to the amount of 17,726,0001., and the sum asked this year was 16,584,0001., and this when there hail been no alteration in circumstances.—(Hear, hear.)—Had .any preceding Government, of its own accord, made a . reduction in the estimates of the year to the amount of 1,110,000/. ?._ (Hear, hear.)-1 say, that having made a reduction in the estimates to that extent in the course of cne year, and being determined (if continued in power) to persevere in that . course, this single fact is a conclusive answer to the charge, that we have been 'a profligate and corrupt Gs vernment.(Hear, hear.) Mr. P. THOMSON thought that the plan of 1825, properly carried into effectovould have been useful to the country. Offices were kept up for mere purposes of pa_ tronage and favour. Why did we pay 11.0001. to Am bassadors ? Why did we pay the Secretaries to Embas. sieki; if we were also to have-Consult The business which was performed by Consuls might be well done by other persons for 5001. a year. Look at Naples. The trade of Naples with the whole world did not amount to . one million sterling a year. Why did we pay a Consul 1,2001. a year ? Why, because it was a fine climate, and Government could oblige some friend by sending him there. The English had less occasion for Consuls than any other nation whatever. He would refer to France and America, as affording us good examples in tilis matter. He should vote for the motion,hecause be thought that the reduction of the salary would bring more able persons into the service. Colonel . SIIiTHORPE said that the arguments of, the Hon.-Member for. Cumberland had convinced him, and. he should vote with hitn.. - Re hoped that the Hon. Mem ber had commenced a fight which would terminate suc cessfully. Sir JAMES GRAHAM said that the Hon. Secretary had imputed expressions to him which he thought he had not used. It was said that be had charged Ministers with being profligate and corrupt. He never intended to retract any charge deliberately brought forward ; but what he said was, that professions of economy, when brought to the test of acts, did not appear sincere. He had said that all the reductions of which the Hon. Secretary boasted so much appeared confined to subordinate, power less individuals, but that he pertinaciously adhered to all patronage of offices capable of being held by Gentlemen sitting in this or the . other House of Parliament. This was what former Ministers had done, and he did not be lieve that 'the Right Hon. Secretary was in thin respect one. whit more pure than any of his predecessors. • This conduct bad materially shaken the dispos"titin lie had felt before the beginning of the Session to give his support to Ministers. He would have all Consuls left to depend upon the good will of the merchants. Sir It. PEEL—By voting against the motion of the Hon. Baronet, I do not pledge myself to the support of the present Consular establishments, for I think that the whole system of our Consular establishments and salaries -ought to be revised.. We are, however,, placed in a pecu liar situation : for if we concede to the opinion of the House of Commons on one occasion, our so yielding is used as a taunt against us ut another. This, c rtainly, is a novel course, at least, if it be not -a just - one. Now, the present system relative to Consuls was an experiment of Mr. Canning's in 1825 ;- and the abolition of fees and the substitution of salaries was tried. This experiment has 'not succeeded, and it is a subject worthy of se rious consideration whether we ought not, partially, to return to the 'old system of remuneration by fees... But, let me ask, tun. I to be taunted, because the House of Commons' threw out a suggestion, to which I yielded ; or, is there any thing in such con duct to justify. the Honourable Baronet, in throw ing out such a taunt? The House of Commons is as much, responsible for the pre'sent Consular system a; the Government; and they are hardly the tribunal that ought to inflict censure. There have been, -already, several re ductions Lamle, amounting to 5,3001. a year ; and, as va cancies occur, a due and proper consideration will be given to every appointment before any vacancy be filled up ; but it would not be good policy to tvith`draW, fromremote co lonies, the present Constils, and put them on the.auperati , nuationlist et home. There, are,- et present, under the c onsideration of my Noble Friend 'at the head of the fo reign department, the appointments at Mexico, Carthagena, Lima, Yalparsiso, Buenos Ayres, Conception, Lisbon, M..drid, -and several others ; and as vacancies occur at these stations, the necessity of filling them up will be con sidered ; and, what is of More importance, also, whether the emoluments of these offices may not undergo some partial alteration—at least, as to the source from which li.eva!TVfllnn s s*l. r• -• Mr euKE: netwittatanding - What liaS fallen front the. Rigl a tsflon. Secretaryjmust say that, in anyaOuioraat all events, whatever reduction§ mass have , taken a placea, have been effected through the perseveranee of this ride of the House ; and I am also confident that we should have lead no reduction this year either, if it were not fOt; the pressing froin this side; and many, I know,. are of the same opinion. Arnithia also I can say, that, ever since' I haVe been a Member of 'Parliament, there has. never beenn - eviireed a disposition on the part of any Ad-!, ministration to reduce either salary or pension of their owni accord. Ministers may be goaded to do so, I a dmit,. andi especially when they see what I apprehend the . Right IlOna Baronet -may see to-night, that the- probable majority or the .House is against hint. In these cases he may bet obliged, like.others similarly situated, to attend rather Morel than is usual to the wishes of Parliament. Sir R. PEEL-- - --Surely the Hon. Gentleman will not, take credit to his friends for the reduction announced ini the King's Speech to Parliament.—(Laughter - and bear.)i Sir 'S. CANNING=I do not rise to delay the Corn-1 mittee, but 'I feel it right to notice an observation made an the other side of the. House. The Hon. Member for Aber-i deen,,in speaking of the Consul-General at Paris, observed that his- office was open only for two hours each day. can, however, assure, the Hon. Gentleman that he is alias informed in that respect, as the office is constantly kept open from eleven o'clock in the morning until four, and: sometimes five, o'clock in the afternoon. I have also to observe, that the Consul-General at Paris pays the salary, of a Via : Consul out of his own pocket. As to the other] expen !loded to to-night, it would ill become me to occupythe tiine of the Committee, but I thought it right to give this explanation ; and I trust that the Hon. Mena i ber for Aberdeen will feel glad of having bad this opporss tunity of being undeceived. The gallery was then eleared, and a division took place, when there were, for— The original motion l2l For Sir J. Graham's amendment 9B Majority —23 NEW SOUTH WALES. On our return to the gallery the Chairman was re ;ding the vote submitted—namely, that a sure of 120,0001. I,e granted to his Majesty for the eivil.establishment of the colonies of New South Wales ands:Van' Diemen's Lands and for the expences of convicts in those settlements. Mr. HUME said that if Consular charges were of im portance, those of the colonies were much more so, and especially those of New Sorith . Wales„, for which they were now called on to vote 120,000/., although, if the local remetLes were properly managed, it would be suffi cient to pay every expence. The House was not aware of the annual amount collected in these colonies. The last account was that of 1825; and from that it appeared that, in 1825, there had been received 68,000/., and the ex penditure came to 77,000/. From that period the in crease, both in the revenue and expenditure, had gone on until the latter, in 1829, amounted to 138,000/. The revenue in the colony last year hal been 94,000/. ; and yet the House was asked for 120,000/. in addition, exclu sive of the military expences, which were included in the annual e s timates, and which came to 150,0001. more. The colony might be maintained at one-half this expeoce; and the revenue, if well applied, would cover the whole expenditure Within 30,000/. or 40,000/. He had moved, three months ago, for the accounts of the colony, in order to be prepared for this vote, but could not get them. 'The progress of extravagance was enormous in every de partment, and that was not to be wondered at when all was under. the supremacy of an, individual over whom there was no controul, and who had three funds to draw on—namely, the colonial revenue, of which he gave no account.; bills drawn on the Treasury ;,and the commis sariat bills, drawn on account of the military. The Secre tary of State was in possession of no" accounts, and it was 'too bad to be called on to vote 270,000 E. without know ing 'how it - was to be expended.' - Under all the circum stances, he would impress upon tire Right Hon. the Colo nial Secretary the propriety of a Committee up stairs ;au& one of the grounds was, that the Right Ilou. Gentleman knew nothing of what all the money was required for, and how it was expended; as the Governor would send borne no accounts. There was gross mismanagsment ; for, on the arrival of convicts, iostead of being hired out to those who were anxious for them, they were sent in gangs to lumber-yards, and other places, and placed at the disposal of a Board of Works in the colony—a species of establish ment likely enough to lead ts extravagance; even in Eng land, where there were care and inspection, and doubly so in a colony like New South Wales. Besides, there was , a necessity for it, as every species of Government work could be contracted for with advantage. Sir ROBERT PEEL observed that, on the discussion relative to the Penitentiary, his anxious attention had been directed to this subject, and that he wished to have an in quiry instituted into all secondary; punishritents, as Well as a _comparative examination into the expense attending them, whether as referring to the hulks, the Penitentiary, or New South Wales. His wish was, that such an in quiry should oow be set on foot and undertaken by one Committee, AS the various subjects were inseparably con nected. He would ask to have tins., grant passed, and have the inquiry instituted next Session. Mr. HUME wished to, know, :what the commission appointed at an early, periol of the present Session had done, the object of which was- very like what he sought for on the present occasion—namely, to reduce the ea pense of the colonies within their revenues. In this colony, beginning with the Governor, his salary had been increased from 3,100/, to 4,7001. a year, and his enrolumenti did not - fall short of 6,000/: • The-expenses were enough to frighten one. Then Mr., M'Clay, who had been sent out as azecretary to the Governor of a paltry colony, received 2,000/. a year, and, over and above, had a superannuation allowance of 750/. a year for an office he formerly held'in England; so this person actually received 2,750/. per annum. And what was the conduct of the Governor ? Mr. Hayes and another were in gaol for 15 months, and it was not in their power to bring the Governor to any account. The House would recollect that, 'where Juries were allowed, he (Mr. Hume) had protested against having a military Jury in any cense between the Governor and a subject. But that was disregarded, arid, in consequence, what was the state of the •editora-of newspapers in the colony, who had incurred his displeasure? There were fourteen ex-officio informations against them, and they were "tried by' military Juries. Now what ought to be said to an. Attorney-General who Would institute prosecu tions against individuals, and to a Governor, who had, the power of naming five officers to serve as Jurymen, by his Brigade-Major ? Formerly thane were . five officers for all trials ; but some of them not being found tract able, the five were'cho§en Weekly ; but now it was done through the Brigade-Major. There could he no - chance of a fair trial ; for, instead of going the fair way to meet any charge, down came ex-officio informations, and the editors of the Australian and the Monitor were now in gaol, and, by the last accounts three more prosecutions ex-officio had been commenced. It was right and just that there should be opportunity of inquiring into the whole manner in which the colony, was conducted. 'fire Right Hon. Gen tleman said, let us have a Committee next Session ; he said, let it begin its labours to-morrow, and he would engage to attend to it every day, from eleven o'clock until the House sat. He asked, was it not five years since he had Moved for accounts relative to this Colony, and how much further had they got since ? He had recommended the recall of the first Governor who bad refused the ac counts ; and certainly the Right Hon. Gentleman oppo site had taken a vast deal of trouble in managing the ac counts of this colony, Such as they were, -for the Finance Committee. There was another subject relating to the colonies which deserved investigation ; it was that of pen sioners. It appeared that there were pensions to the amount of 35,0001. a year granted out of colonial revenues,' to individuals residing in England. An item in one ac count he held in his hand was, " To amount of pensions transmitted to England 4,500/." He asked the Colonial Secretary where the particulars of this account were'to be found, and he said that he did not know where they were. He believed the Right Hon. Gentleman to he th o roughly sineere, and - that he did not know how these things went on ; and was not this, he would ask, enough 'to excite attention and require inquiry. He had moved for ac counts of the establishment at New South Wales, and any year subsequent to those of 1824 which he had would satisfy him a 'but he could not get :them, nor could the Colonial Secretary. The Governor of New South Wales made grants to every branch of his family, and there was a -whole• colony of Darlings—(A laugh)—brother's and brothers-in-law ; th ere were a l so a plenty who held both offices 'and large gran t s . H e w o ndered the Right Hon. Secretary for the Cil i onies did not make some. alteration, althongh it was, at the same time, but justice to admit that the Right Iton. Gentleman bed lately refused the office of Treasurer tootle of the cionernor's brothers:in-lacy. Mr a W. lIQRTON approved of the appointment of a Committee, but he would not be satisfied to refer to that Committee the subject of expenditure only of the colony, but 'also the inquiry how far the secondary punishment of transportation thither acted as .a prevention of cantle. Sir GEORGE MURRAY said that the Hon. Member for Aberdeen called for papers; for 1829 ; but these papers could not he produced, because they had not yet arrived from the colony. In reply to the Hon. Member's call for other returns, he (Sir George Murray) told him that there was great labour and much time to b.: emi toyed in getting them, as some of them Were connected with othti depart-' ments. Tith respect to the pensions, those payable by the - agent colony did nit exceed 1',4001. The Right Hon:: Gentlemin • then - read - the noses •of Mrs. Wrig!,t, l‘fra. Thoioron, and other widows. to whom tie se pension,, cori•Stii uting that sutra, were payable ; and the pension of :70/ a year to one of them was given at the instance of ti e Hun. Member himself (Mr. flume)., 'There Was 4007. paid as a•pensien to the widow of Go- - Vernor MacqUarry—that now ceased, and, therefore, the pensions '•ho* 'paid by the agent were altogether only 1,01 The Right Hon. Gentleman, in justification of the expense of the colony, enumerated the different pti!ilic establishm.'nts necessary to be kept up-for so large a popu-: lotion, scattered•over so wide a country. The expense necessatily increased with the addition, from time to time of a number of convicts. As to' the imputation of job-, bing cast upon the -Governor, • that he denied.- There, were only three gentlemen in the colony connected•witk the Governor. Two of them were his brothers-in-law,i one of whom was private secretary to the Governor ; the other had no office. He would be glad of an inquiry intot . the expenditure as proposed. •Several reductions were, made in it; and more were under his consideration. Mr. O'CONNELL observed that no answer was made. to his Hon. Friend's complaints of the ex-officio informa-, tions. No :less than eleven of them were issued aga;nst the - couductors .of newspapers in that colony. One of these was •for a paragraph which was considered a libel; but whielywas,no more than a J.imple complaint of the manner in•which the writer was•treated by the Governor and his military Jury; yet he was found guilty by that Jury of the second libel, and sentenced to twelve months' urprisoninent. • • Sir GEORGE MURRAY - had as great respect as any one for the liberty of. the Press ; but, front the observa tions made by the Court and Counsel,. he inferred that the :el was of an aggravated character. After a words from Mr. O'CoNNELL, Mr. JEPHSO24, Mr. 11(511E, and Sir G. MURRAY, the vote was agreed to. Mr. G. DAWSON proposed a vote of 9,0001. to pay, 1880, the fees due to the clerks and officers of the I louse upon the passing of Turnpike. rozal Bills. —Agreed to. LAW COMMISSION. The .next resolution moved was for a sum of 16,6001. to defray the salaries and expences of the Commistioners appointed:to inquire into the superior Courts e Common Law, and into.the Writs relating to real property, for the ye tr ltt2o. 111 r. HUME wished to know, if thirteen Commis sioners were appointed why the estimates were only for ten. He had looked into the first report, and found it to contain a good deal of ordinary appendix. The-subject, Lowever, - was one which he did not profess .to know much about. Sir R. PEEL said that in the first instaneo : only ten Commissioners bad been appointed, but three were sub sequently added. Mr. HUME was opposed to the vote altogether, and one main ground of his opposition was that the best per suns were withheld. He should like to know how it was that the names of Mr. Butler and Mr. Humphreys were left out ? Sir R. PEEL said that the learned persons selected were as eminent as any in the whole range of the profes sion. As' tb Mr. Humphreys, the reason why he was withheld was because he had previously pledged himself to certain strong opinions in a work which be had published on an important branch of the inquiry. Mr. HOI3HOUSE considered that Mr. Humphreys had written the best, book that could be produced on the .subject, and that fact alone ought rather to qualify than disqualify him for the appointment. Sir M. W. RIDLEY had so high an opinion of the talents of Mt. Humphreys, that be very much wished to see him appointed sole Commissioner. Mr. BROUGHAM was ready to admit, to the fullest extent, the merits and talents of Mr. Humphreys, know ing them to be of the very first order ; and he at the same time much regretted that the name of that gentleman was not included in the commission; but still these considera tions could not blind him to the extreme merit of the commission, constituted as it was. The gentlemen com posing it were distinguished for great knowledge, perse verance, and ability, and, in prof of the strict attention they paid to the duties that devolved upon them, it was only necessary for him to state a fact which had come within his own knowledge—namely, that they had eat on one particular day for eleven hours successively, fur pur poses connected with inquiry. The first report related to the law of real property, and was in his opinion an in valuablr production. The subject itself was one, compared with which all other matters sunk.into comparative insig . nilicanee.. The second report was still under considerii tion, and referred to, the registration of deeds—a subject also of great public interest, not only in Yorkshire and other parts of England, where the system was imperfect, but also in Ireland, where it was more regular. The first report was the one adverted to by his Rom' Friend the Member for Aberdeen, who had proved that which it was quite unnecessary for him to prove—namely, that he knew nothing whatever about `it.—(A . laugh. )—lle (Mr. Brougham) contended that the Commissioners had gone to work with the firm determination of effecting real prac- tical reforms, and hitherto they had most ably and honour. ably acquitted themselves.—(Hear, hear.)—With respect to the report of the Commissioners of. continua law, all he could say was, that never let had public money been betterbestowed than where the few thousand pounds which this production cost. A more learned, sound, or useful report, upon an arduous and complicated sub ject, -he had never yet seen. 'The expeuce of Com missions altogether was 50,0001., a sum not exclusively confined to law inquiry, hut including matters of every description whatever. One notable Scotch Canal Com mission had swallowed up more money than all the other Commissions put together, front 1807 down to a very re cent per iod—and, had it not been fur the fortunate disco • very of steam navigation, the chances were, that the whole, of the money would have gone to the bottom of the canal. The . Cemmission - now before the House, be it always borne in mind, cost the country only the one hun dred and seventieth part of the expenses of the last year of the last war ; and he earnestly wished that all public, mo ney were applied to so good a purpose as that fur which the present vote was brought forward; He must, how ever, observe, that there ought to-be a certain fixed period within which the labours of all Commissions ought to ter . minete,. for, there was in such bodies a principle tending to perpetuate their. own existence. He agreed with the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, and, indeed, he had him , self particular reason to know the fact, that the gentle men who were named upon the Commission had accepted theerffiee very unwillingly, and would have been very. glad to hive excusurthemselves. What gain could It be to his friend Mr. Campbell, for-instance, a gentleman at the head of his professkon, to receive, what to others might perhaps be a desirable salary, but which to hint was no thing:.—for a duty which took up so tych of his time and attention. He knew that Mr. Campbell would have pre ferred that the duty had been an honorary one, but, as some gentlemen not equal to hint in eminence—convey, aneers and othere, were placed upon the Commissicm, to wi.om it was necessary to give some compensation for the sacrifice of their business, of course it Was impossible to make a distinction, or for. one gentleman to say that he was above receiving what was given to others. , - Sir CHARLES WETHERELL had the highest respect for the learning and talent of thegentlemea.who *lmposed the commission, and was glad to pronouune an eulogy upon them; but, at the same time, be begged leave to say that he would not - he boutid-by their decision,-but would reserve, his own jodgment, whether or not he should adopt their report. Ile hod an opportunity of knowing that many the JtOges did not concur in some of the propositie,h e re lating to the tommon law ; anti as to the suggestions of the real' property comutiseion, there were many of them to which he should feel bound to give an earnest opposition. (Question s e should be glad to ask the Hon. Gentle man who-called' t‘ Question V' ..whether he was the owner of freehold property/. and if le were, he would tell him that he would he ofiligel to make a public registry of every single instruments oraet relating to his estate.—(A laugh.) - Mr. Q'QQNNELL said that in Ireland the system of re-1 gistry had been in practice for a century, and it.'svorked extremely well.. . . . Mr. C. WOOD bore testimony to the efficacy of re- gistration in Yorkshire, in preventing frauds. Sir C. WETHERELL said that the Yorkshire registry was condemned as an ineffectual mode of carrying the pi o posed object. Mr. BROUGHAM said that, if the system of registry was not perfect, it was because it -did not go far enough ; and it was quite a logical argument to say that, if even a bad system had produced great good, much more might be expected from an improved one. , Sir C. WETHERELL rose ag_in, hut Mr. TRANT said that the public business could not go on if gentlemen indulged in oonstant repeutionof irrele- : cant matter, or; as his Hon. Friend the Member for Aber;. deen would say, rigmarole. - - 'The resolution Was then agreed to. 'The next vote was 3,0401. for the expenses of the civil . establishment at the' Bah ona. islands for 1830 . • " Mr. W. HORTOi , I . complained 4 the st ate of ignorance itf,which the House was left with re-poet to the state of *lie' Colonies; while there were ample means of laying !refore the. House full information as to their expenditure end revenue. With respect to the quest'on whether the Colonies ought to take upon themselves to support the expenses of their civil government, that rested up on a different footing, and lie wou'd tiiiu'•le the House with a det'.•r addressed by Loittilitlark tii:the Governors of th., Gdotties on this point.—(The---Right Hon. Gentl. man then Mad the 'Ottv..: in which .Lord Illithuist.refeited to the frequent discussions. in Partiamant,.in,which hind i:eea requested that toe Colones ought'to bear tlpir own expen,es-L.that he had deferred' pressing .. this upon t';ein, until they should 'ha in a condition to bear' the Te ,p:insibility, . and until Parliament should have removed ihe restriction to which the commerce of the .Colonies had bun liable—that those restrictions were now rem ove d, an d is was to be hoped that the freedom of their commerce Would create an additional Prosperity, which would enable t: em to defray their civil expenses without any new taxes ; or, if such tuxes . should be necessary, to bear them with out inconvenience.).--This proposition appeared to him perfeetly,elnitable and reasonable, and he thou g ht it,jit,ti fikl the House in Calling for the reasons why any of the Blitish . North American Colonies, and perticalarly Nova SCotia, New BrunsWick, and •Prinee Edward's Island, did not take upon themselves the expense of their own Government. Sir GEORGE MURRAY said it was his intention, as soon as he conveniently could, to lay before the House a full account of all the items of colonial expenditure. As to the military defence of the sever.' colonie<, he thought it would be too much to expect the colony sliould neiintain.its militark defensiVe force. The great difficulty all the'sC colonies was, that the constitutioual principles cr the mother country were not found so well to amalga mate in the colonial. forms of Government. The at isto erotical principle, in particular, was bet imperfectly intro duced throughout the whole of our colonies. Mr. SPRING RICE' hoped . that the speech of l is lion. Friend, on this occasion, would not be suffered to pass without appealing in a printed shape before the pub ic. Its matter was excellent, its actpiaintance with the subject profound, and evidently derived from official sources. Mr. LABOUCHERE contended that the aristocratical principle never had beeri intended to be ingraf!ed on the ancient Constitution of Canada. All attempta to intr., ilticelt there, •h*e pledged bintse:f to the Right Hon. Gee deman, would totilly fail. kwas contrary ta the genius of their Constitution, and foreign to the habits ui t 3 / 4 :e country. If the Right lion. Gentleman imagined. the Rid be had promised to introduce. syduld prove a Ihil of Conciliation, he wale much- mistaken. The Canailiars would resi , t everyeffort of that I-louse to tax these co- I. nies—it would take all the exertion of its high prisilege and power to force the meditated tueasnre on the relsrtaat people of that. country. Mr. M. FITZGERALD thought his Right Hon. Friend bad been misunderstood. Ue had only n p-etted that the aristocratic principle did not harmonize ith the other. .principles in the colonies,..aa..it did in tie mother: country. Mr. O'CONNELL believed it would be impossible to create an Aristocracy in the Canadas. The experiment had been tried by M:. Pitt, and had only ended in the ap pointment of . the Legislative Assembly. Mr. HUME thought the Right Hon. Gentleman was totally mistaken in the principles lie attempted to maintain with respect to these colonies. They appeared' firmly re solved to vindicate to themselves the character of Ireemeo, who had a right to controul, is some degree, du0..., sp_ . pointed to govern these colonies,. in a fair, justifiable, and constitutional manner. Mr. ➢IABRRLY thought the Coinmittee was about to make this vote entirely in the dark. These items ought to be narrowly investigated by the House before it pro ceeded further in making such important grants of 'midi , : money. The vote was agreed so. The report was ordered to he received on Monday next. ADJOURNMENT: On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EX CHEQUER it was agreed that the House, ut its rising, should adjourn over till Monday next. The House went into Committee on the Forost of D. an Bill. Mr. GORDON objected to the clause empowering the Commissioners to set up stones and mark out - boundatirs be: - ore they made their report to the Commissioners of Woods and Forests. After a few words from Lord LOWTHER, tt.e Om, tnittee divided on the clause, when there appeared For the clau►ep Against it 29 Majority. The Bill then passed through the Cot; minas, and tie report was ordered to be received on Monday. Sir G. MURRAY obtained leave to bring in a NU to amend the Acts for the abolition of slavery,—..The Bill sway accordingly brought in, and read a first time. On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EX CHEQUER, a Select Committee was appointed to in quire into the expense necessary to complete the improve ments of Windsor Castle. The other Orders of the Day wire then disposed of, anti the House adjourned ut Half-past Two o'eleek, LIST OF THE MINORITY OF SEVENTEEN, WRO VOTED FOR MR. 0 CONNELL II MOTION, " That leave be given to bring in a Bill to repeal so much of the several Statutes of force in Ireland as enable Parish Vestries to assess Rates for the building, rebuilding, and enlarging of Churches and Chapels ; and also for the repairing of the Chan cel of Churches, and also for providing things necessary for the celebration of Divine Service therein." Benett, John 'Killeen, Lord Wood, Alderman, Buller, C. Moock, J. R. Wood, John Cave, It. O. Martin, John Western, C. C, Dawson, A. Protheroe, E. French, A. Sykes, D. ilobhouse, J. C Talbot, R. W. Jeplison, C. D. !Warburton, IL TELLIZ/8, O'Connell, D. ,Hume, Joseph Li S 7 OF NINETY.RIGIZT, WI 1' OF THE MINOR: 10 VOTED FOR TUE Al , :CE THE AMOUNT PAYAI Knight, R. ' ! Kekewieb S. T. Kemp, TI . t. KilleeP, Lord Lambert, J. S. Lumley, J. S. Lester. B. Langston, J. H. Latouche, R. Lahouchere, H Lloyd, Sir E. P. Lushington, Dr. Morpcth, Viscount Marshall, J. Marshall, W. Monek, J. B. Maberly, J. Marjoribanks, S. Macaulay, T. B. O'Connell, O. Ord, W. Osborne, Lord F. Parnell, Sir H. Pendarves E. W. Phillips, gir G. Phillips, G. R. Pryse, Prytte Power, It. Phillimore, Dr. Palmer, C. F. BancHire, Lord Robinson, Sir G. Robinson, G. R. Rice, T. S. Robarts, A. W Riekford, W. Sefton, Earl of Scott, Hon. J. H. Sykes, D. Sibthorpe, C. D. 10MM 01 If RIR ILLISS lILE TO CONSULS. GRAHAM TO num Althorp, Viscount Beaumont, T. W. Bankes, H. Brownlow, C. Baring, A. Baring, F, Bernal, R. Bentinok, Lord G. Birch, J. Bright, H. Coke, T. W. Colborne, N. R. Crompton, S. Carew, Carter, J. B. Cavendish, W. Cartwright, W. Dawson, J. M. Denison, J. E. Denison, W. J. Davies, Col. Dickinson, W. • Duncombe, T. Ewalt, W.: Ebrington, Viscount Faconibe, Lord Eyler, 'l'. B. Gascoyne, Gen. Guise, Sir W. Gordon, It. Hume Joseph llowiA. Lord Hanywood, W. P. Harvey, D. W. Hobhouse, J. C. Jephson, C. I). Ingilby, Sir W. Inglis, Sir R. H. Knatchbuli, Sir E. Keck, 0. A. Legh Slaney, R. A. (Sadler, M.l'. Sandon, Viscount Smith, Hon. R. Tuite, H. M. l'ownshend, Lord C. Thomson, C. P. Trant, W. H. Vyvyan, Sir R. Wood, Alderman Waal, Johu Wood, C. Wetherell, Sir C. Warburton, H. Warrender, Sir G. Waithman, Ald. Wrottesiley, Sir J. Western, C. C. Wilbraham, G. TELLER. Graham, Sir J. PATlnip OFF, Benett, John Calvert, C. Clive, E. B. Davenport E Dundas, Hon. T Ferguson, Sir R. C. 'Fo ey, J. H. Guest, J. J. Kennedy, T. F. Lamb, Hon. O. Lawley, F. Normanby, Viscount Price, Sir R. Rowley, Sir W. Russel, Lord John Favistock, Marquis Wall, C. B The name of Mr. Pairs in favour of S gory Laws. E. Davenport was o Lr J. Mackintoeh's aitted In the list of lendment of the For- LONDON MARKETS. PRICES OF HOPS.—June 11. Kent Pockets. 6l Os. 61. I. to 81, 83► St•eaex Ditto ...... 51. M. 61. 84. to trit.:los. Esse.): Ditto . 61. Os. 61. lus. to 71. Fairlam Ditto, O. W. Os. to 111. Os. Seconds 0/. Os. 71. NAG 91. 06. 51. Os. 61. Os. to 71. Os. 41. 10s. 51. Os. to 51. 12s. 51. Os 51. 15s. to W. 10s. Old Duty laid at £120,000. Kent Uag5....., Essex Ditto... Sussex Dittu PRICE OF OIL. Rape Oil, brown 411. N. Refined 0 Linseed Oil .I**o., 0.0111.14•••••••••••••••••••••••••• • ••••0011101...• 25 0 Linseed Oil Cake at the Mill, per thousand 9 9 Rape Cake, per ton WiiITECIIAVEL tIAY .NIARKET.—June 10 ty 36i. Od. to 544. Od. I Clover 545. Al. to 10Os. ed. 36.. Od. to 455. lkl.• RAW HIDES. Per Stone. a. d. to S. d. Per Stone. a. de to .. d• Best I-Leib/pi& Steer,2 10 30 I Ordinary 110 2 0 Nl;dalings..*2 4 2 8 Market 6 0 each. SHEEP SKINS. Polled 3..61. to 44. 6a. I Os. Oct. toOs. 7d. 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