The Sun. — London, England, 1854-03-03 00:00:00

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Do., £2O Blyth & Tyne original £25 (issd. at £45) Bristol and Exeter Caledonian Chester & Holyhead. Cork and Bandon 'Cork, Black, & Pass. Cornwall Crieff Junction Dublin&BelfastJune. Dundee Perth&Aber• deen Junction Do. New East Anglian Do., (£lB E & H) Eastern Counties Eastern Union, A 100 100 all all all 100 100 100: 100 34 all all 100 Stock Do., B. Stock Do., New A East Lancashire Edinburgh et Glasgow Edinb. and Peebles Edin. Prth. ck Dundee Forth & Clyde June. 31asgow & S. Western Great Northern Stk. Do., A. Stock Do., B. Stock ...... Gt. Sth. &West.(lre ) Great Western Irish South-Eastern Lancaster & Carlisle Do., Thirds Do. New Thirds Lancash.andYorksh. Do., Fifths Do., Wet. Riding ljn Leeds Northern I all I 5 11 is 100 100 100 100 all 100 all 15 Liv. Crsby.&Sonthpt London & Blackwali Lond. Tilb. &Sthend. Lond. Bright & S.Cst. Lond. and N. Westn. Do. Fifths De JO/. Sh. ,M&B 0 Do. Eighths London and S. Westn Do., £5O Do., £4O Lndndrrydr Coleraine Lndndrry. & Ennisk. Kanch.Shef. & Lindy Do. , Man. & Lin. Un Midland Do. Birmng. & Derby Kidld. G. West. (Irs.) Do. Half Shares Newcastle & Carlisle Newmarket Do., Bury Extension. Nwpt.Aberg. &Hrfd. Newry & Enniskillen Newry Warrenpoint all -Ist 100 17 all all 14 N a o n r d fo lostrevor: Northn.Counties lJn North British North Devon, No. 1 Do., No. 2 . Do., i A Deferred 0., i B Guaranteed orth London Do. New £lO N. &S. Wstrn. ,Hamp stead, and City Jn North Staffordshire North Western N. & S. Westrn. June Nuneaton, Hinckley, and Leicester Oxford, Worcester, & Wolverhampton Portsmouth Scottish Central Scottish Midland Shrewsbury & Bi 1 mg Do. L. & N. Western Guaranteed St eta Shrcwsby. & Herefd Shrewsby. I Gkester (N. W. Min ',.. Do. Halveso. • Do. Oswestry all 51a. 100 20 13,11 100 1 Shropshire Union . . Do. A, B, C ,Sz D,fully paid up at per cent South Devon South Eastern South Wales S. Yrksh. dr Riv. Dun IDo all all 100 all Staines, Wok. &Wok Stockton & Darling. Stockton <I; Hartlepl. Taff Vale . Do. £lO shares. Do. Prof., No. Thames Haven Dock and Railway Vale of Neath Waterfd. & Kilkenny Waterford&Limerick West Cornwall West End of London and Crystal Palace West London Wimbledn & Croydon York Newctl.&Berw. Do. Extensions Do. G.N.E. Purchase, York & N. Midland [Aberdeen Do. No. 2, p. C. Blyth and Tyne 10 per c. pref. (issd. at 500 Bris. & Ea. 4 p. c. St. Do. 4 p. c. Shares Caledonian £lO Chester & Holyhead Guar. 56 per cent Cork &Bandonsip.c Dundee Perth &Aber deen Junction EastAngliaa (£3los) 6 per cent Do. (.£5) 7 per cent 'Do. (.£7 17s) 7 p. c Eastern Counties Ex tension 5 P.C.No .1 No. 2. Do, New 6 p. c. St. Eastern Union, Scrip Guar. 6 per cent ... Do. 51., 10 per cent. Do. 101. Debentr.Sh- East Lancash.O p. cts. East and West York shire June. Pref... lEdiub Prth. &Dundee! 5i per cent. Glasgow & S.Western Guar. 5 per cent Great Northn. 5 p. c Do. 5 p. c. Redeem., at 10 p. c. prem Do. 4i p.c. Scrip Gt.N. of Scot. Ist Pref Gt,Southn.&Westzu. (Ireland) Eighths) Do. 4 per c. Pref. Sh. Gt. Westn. (Berke k Hants Ex. 5 p. c)... Do. coy. red. 4i p.c. Do. con. red. 4 p. c. Do. irrcd. 4 p. c.... Lan. & York. F. £2O Do. 6 p. c. Stock Leeds N. 6 p. c. No. 1 Do. Quarters, 1848... London and Brighton Guaranteed 5 p. c Do. Pref., 5 p. c. St. Do. Convertible, 5 p. c., 1852............... Do. New Guar.6 p. c. Lon. &N. W., Coy. tl; Nuneaton London & S. Wester* Con. Thirds Londonderry& Coler Shares Lowly. & Ennis. Sb Man., Shef., & Lin., Shares, No. 1. Do. New, £lO Sfarypt . & Carl. 4 p.c Do. 4. per cent all 4i all 1 all 10?, 100 100 Do acid. Consol.6 p.c.St Do. Consol. Bristol & Birm. 6 per cent Do. Prof. 4i por eent Norfolk Debenture Do. Prof. 4 p. c. Stock Do. 5 p. c. Ext. Do. 56per ct . pref.._ Do. Way. Val. 5 p. c North British North Staffordshire Oxford, Worcester, & Wolverh. Xl5, 6 p.c. 15 all all all Do Scot. Cent. , New Pref Shrews. &Birm.N.G. Sbrewsby. & Chester (Nor.W.Hin), 8 p.c. Do. 5 per cent South Devon De. fixed, 4A per cent S. Eastern (Readin,, Aun.) of £1 Os. 6cf. Do. Ciper cent S. Yorksh.4p.c.Guar Stockton and Dar lington, 4 per tent. Do. do. do. Stockton and Hartle- pool, guar. 5 p. till Ist July, 1856 i Watorfd.&Kilk.6p.c. l York, Nowcastle.and Twi'k - Do York &N. Midland ILI ad fi e Pugh .10 201 - 21f1 5 - 51 8 - 9 12 —lO dial 16 - 18 6i - 50 94 - 96 55i -56 i 156 - 166 126 - 136 44 - 46 7i - 8,1 iii 7 iii ... ...-... ... CI - 66 Q; - 65 ii ------ ii kh u 92i 79 81 126 -128 96 - 98 80i - 81. 92 -- 95 12 -- 13 130 p 674 -- 68 64 -- 6d 134 14 . 81 102 Par P 976 - 103 3P t 4 l 80 81 10 9 d 9 7 d 221 - 22, - 62 35 - 37 d par 5 Cid 21 2i 6 8 48 50 38 3Ac► 34 ... 35 8 10 11 - I. 52 - 55 i --iP 5i - 5 1 76 - 32 - 34 88 90 54 - 56 58 - 62 55 60 3 2d 16 -- 18 8 9 12 -- 13 3i -- 3id i 4 - 16 63 64 35 36 2 d par 4 5 k = 32 Imo • • . . --. . , 2} - 15 151 51 - 24 - 26 6 - 7 .•. -- .. 6 - 7 7i 7 4 4 aid 49 -- 50 PREFERENCE SHARES. 25 25 18 20 at. 10 - St. St. 20 10 12i ... - - 99 -I loi. 61 6 3-31 4 -- 4 P lip l3i —l3ixdl ..• - ... xd 3i - 3i Isis —llB 107 109 par i 1 7i 8 .. ad - 7 98 - 100 90 - 95 94 - 96 - pw 137 - 169 .• . - ... ••••••• ... id 2t - 21 ••• n - 13 6i 10 7 „ par iPid, 138 138 14 —id xd 102 - 104 i - 11 94 -- 10 16i -- 17 10 -- 10} 13 -- 16 id -- 23i -- 24 17 1: 19 ii : Id 95x , 3i -- 4xi ... FOREIGN. 10 7 Antwerp&Rotterdam 36 3 d 5 3 Belgian Eastn. Juno. 1 15 20 8 BezierstoGraissessac 45 —35 d 20 2s. Bombay, Baroda, and Central India,Scrip ed 6 p Pm ... Central of Italy — 20 all Charleroi & Erquelin — 175 all Demerara 20 14 Dijon and Besancon — p 20 8 Dutch Rhenish — 2gd 20 all East Indian 2t 20 2 Do. Extension — 5 all Gt. Indian Peninsula 5 5 p 20 10 Id. Junct. of France . . .. • 25 10 Grd. Trunk of Canada . 56 —41 d 100 30 Do. Debentures 100 all Do. do — 20 10 Gt. Central of France 2i —2l d 205 all Gt.WesternofCanada Shares — 1/p 22 Do. Bonds (Ist is.)'s7 205 155 Hamilton & Toronto 4 - lip 100 all Do. 6 per cent. 20 5 Lake Coust. & Basle 5 all Lucca & Pistoj asp. c pref — dis 20 15 Luxembourg 65 -- 7 10 10 Do. (Railway) 4l 5 2 Do. Pref IA 5 3 Do. (Canal) 1 lA 10 5 Do. 6p. ct. pref 1 Ad 20 8 Lyons and Geneva 25 lid 20 12 Lyons & Mediterran „, 20 10 Madras sd par 105 336 336 Maria Antonia 10 all Do. do. New 20 2 Melbourne Dk. &Ry — 20 all Namur & Liege (with interest) 7. -- 7i 20 all Do. (ex interest) — 16 all Northern of France 291 295 Do. 201.3 p. c Bds 20 all (fmy.B.&Ams.Shs ) 10 all NorwegianTrunkPref 74 20 10 Paris and Lyons l2l —126 p 40 all Ditto Bonds 10 all Paris and Orleans 42 —44 20 all Paris and Rouen 34 —36 xd 35i 20 all Paris and Strasbourg 285 - 285 20 10 ParisCaen&Cherbrg. —pm 10. E 10/ Quebec & Richmond 3 1 d 20 all Rouen and Havre 20 9 Royal Danish ld par 5 2 Royal Swedish d 20 all Sambre and Meuse 8 85 6 Do. 55 p. cent. Pref. 20 6 Southern of France.. ... —pm 20 6 St. Andrew's and Quebee (A) — 8i all West Flanders 3i 41 10 all Do. 56 per c. Pref • . d 20 10 Western of France. 10 7 West. of Switzerland d 20 2 Wiesbaden 20 15 Zealand. MISCELLANEOUS 5 all Rubin Coal and Iron 25 175 Australian Agricult. 41 43 20 14 kustralsn.Pcific.Mail 10 8 4ustraln. Royal Mail 10 4 Berlin Water Works 50 385 Brit. American Land 74 76 5 1 Brit. & Coln. Smeltg. and Reduction Co — 100 324 Canada 75 80 5 5' Crystal Palace l5 —l5 p 65 5 4 Do. New l5 —35 p 4 2 Crystal Pal. of France p 20 3 Eastern Steam — 25 20 ElectritTelegraph(A) 17 18 25 all Do. (B) — 1 1 Electric Teleg. of Ir. 15 14 Gen. Steam Navigat. 20 18 General Screw Steam 151 20 74 Irish Beetroot Sugar .., 20 10 Magdalena St. Navig. 1 all Nat. Pat. Steam Fuel• 10 3 Netherlands Land—. .3 2 d 2 1 N. S. W. Coal & Inter. Steam Navigat. Co. 1 all N. B. Australasian... par— # p 1 4 Do. New 20 10 Nrth.ofEuropeSteam . 5 all Peel Rr. Ld. & Minrl. .1d par 50 all Peninsular& Oriental 50 30 Do. Do. -•— ... 35 2 all Portland Iron Co iP 100 60 Royal Mail Steam 1 all Scot. Austral. Invest. 14 15 25 25 South Austal.Land 38 40 1 all Submar. Telegraph Ad - 4pxd all Do. Registered id par 100 • 286 Van Diemen's Land 13 —l4 MARKET NEW-{THIS DAY.) CORN EXCHANGE. The quantity of English wheat on offer in to-day's mar ket was very moderate, but in somewhat improved condi tion. For most kinds the demand was steady, and by no means brisk, at Monday's advance in the quotations. For forward delivery very little was doing. The imports of foreign wheat have exceeded 16,000 qrs., chiefly from the westward. Good red Baltic parcels were held for more money; but the actual business doing was moderate, at the prices obtained last week. Floating cargoes sold on former terms. Barley was in good supply, and fair request, at full quotations. The oat trade was firm, and good sound corn was the turn dearer. In beans and peas, very little was doing. Floor commanded previous rates. The imports continue on a liberal scale. Wheat. 2,310 ARRIVALS THIS WEER. Barley. 1 Malt. 1 Oats. I Flour. 4,520 1 3,230 1 160 940 2,670 8,510 English .. Irish •• • — i Foreign .. 16,850 i 8,990 240 sks 13,010 brl SMITHFIELD. To-day's market was moderately supplied with beasts, for which the demand ruled inactive, at Monday's decline in the quotations. Sheep—the supply of which was by no means extensive—moved off slowly, at unaltered cur rencies. There were a few lambs and shearlings on offer. We had a good demand for calves, at extreme currencies. In pigs very little was doing. Mulch cows were dull, at from 141. to 13/. each, including their small calf. Per Sibs to sink the offals. 0. d. s. d. Inferior Beasts.... 3 2to 3 4 Second quality.... 3 6 3 8 Prime large oxen 310 4 2 Prime Scots, &c. 4 4 4 6 Inferior Sheep ...3 0 3 4 S eco nd quality ...3 6 4 2 Prime crse.-wlled. 4 4 4 6 B. d. s. d. Prime Southdown 4 8 5 0 Large erse. calves 4 6 5 2 Prime small d 0... 5 4 5 8 Large hogs 3 0 4 2 Small porkers 4 4 4 8 iSucklingcalves ..22 0 28 0 Vuarter old pigs 21 0 26 0 TOTAL SUPPLY• Ileaats .. • • • • .. •......... 1,090 Sheep .•• • • , •• • • 2,250 Calves FOREIGN STIFFLY. Beasts , •• •• ••••••• .. • 300 Sheep...• •••••• •• •• ...... 480 Calves.. .• • •• •• •• •• •• 180 NEWGATE AND LEADENHALL. The general demand was iu a sluggish state, at the fol lowing quotations : Per 81bs by the carcase. s. d. s. d. Beef, inferior 3 0 3 4 Do., middling 3 6 3 8 Do., prima large 3 10 4 0 Do., do. small 4 2 4 4 Pork, large 3 4 4 2 s. d. s. d. Mutton, Inferior 3 0 3 6 Do., middling 3 8 4 2 Do., prime 4 4 4 6 Veal 3 8 5 4 , Pork, small 4 4 5 0 BOROUGH HOP. Although a moderate business is doing in our market, prices, owing to the large quantities of foreign hops on offer, are still drooping. This week's imports are 5 bales from Antwerp, and 65 from Ostand. The quotations are— Mid and East Kent pockets, 71. 10s to 111. ; Weald of Kent ditto, 61. 6s to 71. 7s ; Sussex ditto, 61. Os to 71. Os per cwt. COLONIAL. SUGAR.—The quantity of West India brought forward being limited, business has been checked. Firm prices have been obtained for some parcels sold by private con tract. East India—Some out of condition Bengal was held for extreme prices, and at auction Madras went at a slight decline for the inferior kinds, but the rest brought previous rates, viz., low to good brown 27s 6d to 295, low to mid yellow 29s 6d to 31s Gd, good 32s to 32s 6d, and 26s to 27s per cwt for date. Privately, grainy Madras went at 36s to 36s 6d for mid. Mauritius of good strong quality realised 6d per cwt advance, good and fine strong dry brown selling at 33s to 35s 6d, mid to good grocery 35s 6d to 38s, and mid to fine dry strong refining 35s to 39s per cwt. Foreign— There has been a good inquiry at full quotations. Bahia brought 33s 6d for brown, and Egyptian 33s 6d to 34s per cwt. Havannah sold at 37s to 41s 6d, for mid to fine soft at 38s Gd to 40s 6d, for mid to fine grainy yellow, and at 33s 6d to 36s for brown washed ; low to good soft brown found buyers at 34s to 35s 6d, low to mid yellow at 36s at 37s Gd, and good dry strong at 38s to 39s 6d per cwt. White in bond went at 27s 6d, for good and washed at 25s 6d to 26s 6d for mid to goo d. Refined has been in moderate request, brown lumps at 445, and grocery at 44s 6d to 50e per cwt. COFFEE. — Plantation Ceylon has been rather quiet, but a few sales have been effected at full prices. Mid to good bold colony of favourite market brought 57s to 665, fine ord brownish to low mid 52s to 565, peaberry at 665, triage at 48s to 52s 6d, and blacks at 31s 6d per cwt. Natives has been dull, good ord sold at 475, and superior at 57s 6d. Jamaica brought 49s to 59s for good ord pale to mid. coloury. Alexandria Mocha was taken in at 60s for mid green clean garbled. COCOA. — In Trinidad very little has been done, and mid to good red has been taken in at 36s 6cl to 38s, and ord to good grey at 32s to 35s per cwt. RlCE.—This article has been dull. Being all sold pub licly at 15s to 15s 6cl for mid to good white, but has since v afly low been taken in at 15 s to 16s for the saui e description. it Piukey Madras was tak en in at 14s 6 d for mid, but first ca edso a l t d l a 4 t a. l , 3 t s h eid ree p m er on c t w hs t,and prompt. pr ulli(sisPdinagYsold SPlCES.—Pimento has realised full prices ; mid to good little stalky selling at 6gd, and a small quantity being held for 6gd to 60 per lb. African pod pepper was taken in at 30s to 35s for ord and mid. Cassia lignea went at 134 s to 135 s 6d for good ord second and third piles. African ginger brought for damaged 20s to 235, and very low 13s 6d to 168 6d per cwt. Jamaica realised 41s 6d to 60s for ord to mid, and 129 s for one lot good. COTTON.—Prices are steady, but business is limited. Rum.—The market is inactive. A small quantity of good Demerara, 36 over, sold at 5s 3d to 5s 4cl per gallon, being 2d under the highest price. TEA.—This article is dull, but not cheaper. SALTPETRE.—FuII pnces are asked, and most of the Bengal low 29 per a q t ua 3 n Ts ti f t o y r o g ff o e o r d ed 2 h p a e s r bceeennt.traekfernacitnio.n ; Rough was taken in cent. at 345, and good 6 per cent. at 36s 6d per cwt. Pri vately, 6 per cent. was sold at 365. TALLow.—The market is quieter. P.Y.C., 62s 9d on the spot. GREEN FRUIT.—The market sustains its improved cha racter. Oranges have advanced 3s to 5 s p er box. Three I el,rgoes St. Mieliatd, sold by Keenug and Mint. h.t pill The isale, were taken freely by the trade. More inquiry for lemons, the stock of which is light for the season. A bet ter business doing in nuts, 13 i xd 66 OP 92 li 2 It =1 80 /I. 127 ~ 96 110 80 i ~ 974 1024 i 124 64 i 2 d 69} 70 49i 50 9i xd xd dig xd THE SUN, LONIYON, FRIDIAY I- EVENING, MARCH 3, 1854. IMPERIAL PARLIA ME NT. HOUSE OF LORDS—(YESTERDAY.) The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack at five o'clock. The Duke of ARGYLL presented a petition from Paisley in favour of a system of national education in ._ Ireland. The Earl of CLANCARTY complained of the Go vernment having only placed two Irish Peers on the committee which the Irish land bills were referred ; and gave notice that to-morrow he would move the addition of Lords Desart, Glengall, Castlemaine, and Court. MILITIA. IN SCOTLAND. In reply to a NOBLE PEER, The Earl of ABERDEEN said what he stated the other evening was, that it was not intended to call out the militia in Ireland this year. On the contrary, how ever, it was proposed in the present year to embody the Scotch militia COUNTY COURT EXTENSION ACT EXPLANA TION BILL. Lord BROUGHAM—My lords, in rising to ask your lordships to give a third reading to this bill, I feel still more occasion than my noble and learned friend (the Lord Chancellor) did the other evening to ask your indulgence, on introducing a subject so comparatively trifling in itself, and, in the interest which it is likely to excite so immeasureably less material, as that to which I am about to direct your lordships' attention—namely, a declaratory bill for the amendment of the law respect ing the jurisdiction of the county courts. Not, my lords, that I grudge—God forbid—in the slightest de gree, the absorbed attention of the community, as well as of Parliament, on the great events which are now, I mach fear I must say, impending over the rest of Europe as well as this country. I have been long anxious, my lords, to disbelieve that it was possible that such a cala mity as war should disturb the peace of the world. I have long struggled against that belief, in spite of all the too manifest indications that appear of my being wrong. But, my lords, as men and women most readily believe what they wish, so they most reluctantly give their assent to what they most dread, most detest, and most abhor. My lords, I could not conceive it possible that they—l purposely use a very vague and indefinite expression—that they who have hitherto stood forward as the patrons of order, the friends of peaceful institutions in Europe, and the guardians of arrangements by which that peace seemed to be secured—that they should, as we now find there is but too much reason to believe, to the grief of mankind, to the astonishment still more than the grief, and to the indignation still more than the astonishment of the world—that they, I say, should have became, all at once, the disturbers of the public peace and the abet tors of wide-spreading insurrection and confusion ; and if it is not wide-spreading, it is owing, first of all, to that happy alliance between the two great Western Powers which Providence, educing good from evil, half been pleased to bestow upon us ; and next to the wise and firm, and I trust it will continue wise and firm, conduct of the German Powers, which, even more than the rest of Europe, have an interest in staying that great Ca lamity—(hear, hear)—and which I hope and trust will show that they are acting according to their best inte rests, and in the discharge of their highest duties. (Cheers.) My lords, the dlay that has taken place I deem most fortunate for the world, I deem it not only justifiable on the part of my noble friends opposite (the members of the Government), but praiseworthy in every sense of the word—for it is in that reluctance, which I share with them, as well as that disbelief of apparent impossibilities, that this delay has had its origin ; and it has produced, in my clear and decided opinion, none but the best and happiest results. (Cheers.) My lords, I ought to apologise for stepping aside from the compa ratively insignificant proposition which I am now about to make to you ; but I have not before had an oppor tunity of expressing my opinions and my feelings on this subject • and I have had occasion to know that that si lence of ! mine, which has not been voluntary, has been elsewhere misconstrued. (Cheers.) The noble lord, adverting to the bill, the third reading of which he had risen to move, proceeded to say that the important measure relating to the county courts, to which their lordships gave their sanction some few years ago, had been found to be attended with misapprehension on the part of some as to the intentions of the Legislature in one respect. At all events an error had been committed in framing the measure ; and it was absolutely necessary that the error should be rectified. In 1833 a bill was first introduced into the other house of Parliament for the establishment of county courts, but subsequently re jected. A bill was also brought forward on the same subject in their lordship's house, and after being referred to the Common-law Commissioners, was in 1833 carried to almost its last stage. He and his noble and learned friend (Lord Lyndhurst), though differing with respect to some of the provisions of that bill, agreed that the best course would be to read it a second time, which was done after a good deal of discussion, and then to refer it to a committee, by whom the whole provisions would be thoroughly examined ; then, the bill being re duced to a state in which it might be fit to pass, that the discussion on its merits should be taken on the third reading. Notwithstanding, however, all their efforts to make that bill as perfect as possible, it did not pass into a law. Now, in that bill there was a very important clause, which provided that all ques tions, among others, touching tolls, franchises, bank ruptcy, and other cases not coming under the descrip ,on of debt or contract, as well as questions of tort, _ _ _ should be excluded from the jurisdiction of the loca court, unless by consent—being confined to the amoun of so many pounds in cases of debt, and so many pounds iu cases of tort. But then there was this important clause, called "the optional clause," that, if both parties chose to have their cases tried, whatever might be the amount of the claim for debt or damages, and also if they chose to have one of the excluded actions tried— for instance, an ejectment, or a question relating to tolls, franchises, or bankruptcy—in all those cases, by consent, the jurisdiction of the local court should be to the extent to which the parties agreed, notwithstanding the limitation of jurisdiction by a previous clause, to which he had adverted. The County Courts Bill, to his great regret, left out a very considerable portion of the bill of 1833 ; and among other provisions "the optional clause" was unfortunately omitted. In settling the bill of 1850, for extending the jurisdiction of the county courts, it was deemed a good opportunity for introducing the " optional clause ;" and from the bill of 1833 the "optional clause" was copied and inserted in the bill of 1850 ; but in inscribing that clause the proper conse quential change was not made in "the appeal clause," and the consequence was, that whereas by the bill of 1833 an appeal was given in any case whatever, the bill of 1850, instead of saying the appeal would lie in any case in which a party was dissatisfied with the judgment of the county court, said " in any case where jurisdiction was given by this act" meaning theact of 1850." Now ithad been held by a competent tribunal that, in certain cases) jurisdiction was not given by the act of Parlia ment, but by the consent of the parties. He (Lord Brougham) contended, on the contrary, that it was by the act alone that jurisdiction was given, though the ground on which that jurisdiction was given was the parties' consent. The consequence was, however, that the appeal was construed to be confined to cases of debt, contract, or tort, but did not apply to ejectments, tolls, franchises, bankruptcy, and the like ; and it was to provide a remedy fur that defect th.at he had pre pared the bill the third reading of which he now moved. There could not be the slightest doubt that the mistake arose from inadvertency in copying the clause out of the bill of 1833 without making the corresponding conse quential alteration in the appeal clause. He begged their lordships' pardon for engaging their attention so long, but he could assure them that no small import ence was attached to the change he proposed by the bill, for the reason that the fact of there beiug no appeal in certain cases tended to restrict, rather than extend, the resort to the county court. He ought to add that that resort was at present already materially restricted by the great fees attached to the practice in the county courts, which were in many crises much larger than those in the superior courts. He hoped the attention of the County Court Commissioners would be withdrawn to the neces sity of making a diminution in the expense of resorting to those most useful and admirable tribunals, and so remove what was at present the only obstacle to their complete success. (Hear, hear.) Lord CAMPBELL, after suggesting certain verbal amendments in the preamble, expressed his concurrence in the object of the bill. Lord BROUGHAM at once adopted the suggestions; and the bill, as amended, was read a third time and passed. of troops to the Baltic. He could not help observing that he thought the Government ought to have sent some troops to the Baltic before they despatched so large a body to the East. He admitted that if the avail able portion of our fleet were to be joined to the squa dron which had lately been formed by the Emperor of ik 3 French, the combined navalforce in the Baltic would be amply sufficient to guard against any hostilities in that quarter. But without that French reinforcement . .. he was not aware that there was sufficient naval force ready for that service. However gratified he might be to see a French fleet acting in conjunction with our own, it was not satisfactory to think that Eng land must depend upon the assistance of France to produce a fleet superior to that of Russia in the Baltic ; that was, in fact, to defend our own shores—for without a fleet in the Baltic any of our ports were liable to disas• ters like that of Sinope. He regretted much to see so large a detachment of Brllsh tcoops sent to so great a distance, when it was probable that their presence might be required much nearer home. The true place for Eng land to look to was the Baltic, not the Black Sea. Who could say that there would not within the next three weeks be a demand for troops in the Baltic? Sweden might ask for assistance, for it was known that both Sweden and Denmark were preparing for war. And when wanted our troops would be in Turkey. It might possibly occur to that distinguished admiral—as great a man on shore as on board—Sir Charles Napier, that it would be extremely desirable, and add to the success of the naval operations in which he might be engaged, if England were to occupy some of the islands in the Bal tic now occupied by the Russians. But we should have no troops for the purpose. He (Lord Ellenborough) felt satisfied if England had 20,000 available for the Baltic, and that fact were known to be so, it would have more effect upon Russia than the detachment sent to the East. The house might depend upon this, that it was in the Bahia that the essential battle would be fought, and that a force in the Baltic would have a far greater influence on Russia than 20,000 troops posted in the neighbour hood of Constantinople. (Hear, hear.) The noble earl then asked what were the intentions of her Majesty's Government with respect to calling out the militia this year, and with respect to the corps either not formed or much below their complement, and concluded by moving for an account of the expense and force of the militia in continuation of the account ordered to be printed 15th August, 1853. The Duke of NEWCASTLE said that with respect to that portion of the noble earl's observations which had reference to the length of time during which the militia were drilled, he had to state that although the Govern ment did not intend to enlarge that period to the extent advocated by the noble earl, it was intended to enlarge it from 21 to 28 days. Of coerce there could be no ob jection to the return asked by the noble earl. When, j however, the noble earl complained of the number of men who were not yet enrolled as compared with the num . , . ber possible to be enrolled-80,000—he (the Duke of Newcastle) would call his attention to the number re turned as enrolled on the Ist of Jan. last, which was 66,29, as compared with the number enrolled the pre ceding year, which was 51;560. When the noble earl stated the necessity of having recourse to more decisive means of obtaining the complement of men for the militia he (the Duke of Newcastle) begged to remark that he thought this was not a moment when Ministers ought to allow themselves to be driven to measures in any de . gree of a penal character. (Cheers.) There was a noble and most patriotic spirit evinced throughout the whole country, both with respect to military and naval service ; it would be making a most ungrateful return if her Ma jesty's Government were to take meaures for compelling the people to do that which, without compulsion, they were ready and willing to do. When the numbers which he had already quoted were compared, and it was rememberei that at the beginning of the year the spirit of the country was not so roused as at present, he must express his opinion that there was no reason whatever to complain of the number of men en rollea. The noble earl (Ellenborough) had referred to the nine regiment in West Yorkshire, and two in Lan cashire, the complements of which were not fully made up ; now, it was due to those districts to state that a vast number of men had enlisted from them. Indeed, when the, extraordinary demand for labour which had existed for some time in these districts, and the unex ampled rate of wages which employers had been paying were considered, there was great cause for astonishment and congratulation in the number of men who had been obtained there. With regard to what the noble earl had thrown out respecting the permanent embodiment of the militia, he (the Duke of Newcastle) was not prepared to say that Government might not find such a measure ex pedient, but he had no hesitation in saying that at pre sent Ministers did not think that the time had yet ar rived when it was necessary to put the whole country to the serious inconvenience which would be caused by the permanently embodying the militia force. When the time did arrive, he thought the country would not object to the inconvenience which might attend such a step. (Hear, hear.) In replying to another portion of the speech of the noble earl, he (the Duke of Newcastle) felt at a great disadvantage, and with regard to that portion he did not propose to follow him into the statement which he had made. (Hear, hear.) He was fully aware of the attention which the noble earl had given to the question of the position of this country with regard to Russia and Turkey, and he was therefore not surprised that his noble friend should thus on successive nights bring forward the subject. But he would submit to the noble earl and to the house the practical inconvenience, not to her Majesty's Government personally, but to the Government in reference to the conduct of negotia tions—which must arise from these discussions. It was, indeed, impossible to feel that the intimations of the noble earl, as to what the country might or might not do, were at all calculated to raise the sense of the ability of this nation in other places. He regretted that the noble earl had stated again his impression that the fleet to be sent to the Baltic was insufficient for its purpose. He did not know from what source the noble earl ob tained his information. He (the Duke of Newcastle) believed, and his belief was founded on the reports of competent authorities upon the matter, that the force was perfectly efficient, and adequate to the end in view. The noble earl objected to the quantity of troops sent to the East. He was quite sure that, had fewer men been sent out, the noble earl would have been among those who would have complained that the dignity of the country suffered from the inadequate force sent to Turkey. He (the Duke of Newcastle) begged to tell his noble friend he was under a mistake in supposing that, should it be found necessary to take any of the steps to which he had adverted, there were not sufficient troops for that purpose. He could assure the house that, should any portion of the course pointed out by the noble earl be considered by the Government desirable to be fol lowed out, there were, notwithstanding the forces sent to the Mediterranean, troops sufficient for that purpose, and that there remained in this country men who would gladly serve in any part of the glo be, eitheor north or south, where the interest and honour of the nation might require them. (Cheers.) The noble earl must forgive him (the Duke of Newcastle) if he declined to follow him in more detail than he had done, for he felt it his duty to preserve silence upon the matter. With regard to the noble earl's mo tion, he was willing to give him all the information asked for. Lord BEAUMONT said that the noble earl (Ellen borough) had fallen into error through the manner in which the returns were made up with regard to the regi ments to be raised in the West Riding, the complements of which were not made up. Three of these regiments were old ones, and there was no shortness of men with regard to them, men corning in at the rate of 50 a day. Three other regiments were new, and there were various formal matters to be settled before men could join them. This accounted for the shortness in their complement. The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH ventured to suggest to her Majesty's Ministers, that it was at least more straightforward and more honourable in a public man to state his objections in lirnine to a course of policy about to be adopted, and run the risk of all the censure which might be brought upon him should his predictions fail, than to wait until he saw the result of that policy, and then be silent if it should succeed, or visit the ministry with animadversions if it should fail. He had taken a different course from this last. He had stated distinctly to the house what his opinions were, and he thought his noble friend at the head of the Government might recollect that this was not the first time upon which he had so expressed his opinions. He would only venture to suggest now, that the true secret of success in war was to leave nothing to fortune that could be rescued from her domain by prudence and preparation. That was the principle upon which his great monitor invari ably acted—that was the great principle on which in all the operations which he (Lord Ellenborough) had been called upon to undertake he had acted—it was attention to that which had invariably led him to success when he had been successful, it was inattention to it that had been the cause of all the failures he had experienced. The Earl of HARDWICKE thought that at a moment like this it was impossible and impolitic to expect that members of that house should not express their, opinion upon the grave facts by which they were surrounded. He thought that none of their lordships would be worthy of the position in which they were placed if they hesi tated upon so important a subject. He gave the Go vernment every credit for the exertions they were making ; but as he would not deceive himself with re gard to the views he might hold, so he would not deceive others by refraining from expressing hi s v i ews when necessary. With regard to the fleet intended for the Baltic, he thought it would require all the talent and energy of his gallant friend at its head to bring it to a state fit to cope with the fleet of Russia, the vessels of which had been acting togther for no less than 13 years, and were therefore in a high state of discipline and efficiency. Our fleet, on the contrary, was composed of ships new to each other ; manned not with efficient seamen, but with men from the coast guard and lands- men. The Earl of WINCHILSEA said it was totally im possible that in the maritime marine of this country there should not be sailors enough to man all her Majesty's ships. He was convinced that in the hour of danger, the spirit which had always characterised the British nation would again show itself. He deeply regretted that a quarrel between the Latin and the Greek Church should have been the original cause of war, which was likely to be attended with such awful consequences. He perfectly agreed with the noble earl who spoke the other evening (Earl Grey) that this country could not be ex pected to become a party to the oppressions exercised by Turkey over her Christian population ; and he thought there would be an entire change of !public feeling if the people of England found that such was likely to be the result. A population of eleven million Christians must no longer be subjected to barbarities by three millions of the dominant race. For his own part he had long wished to see the establishment of a free and enlightened Christian empire. He feared that in a short time the whole of the East would be involved in a religious war, of which n wan nouid On probable and he must preface it with a brief statement. In the fourth year of his late Majesty, and in the 7th and Bth of her present Majesty, temporary acts were passed, authorising her Majesty to remove the destitute poor of Ireland, Scotland, and the Channel Islands who might happen to be in England to their respective countries when they became chargeable to the parish. They were passed to meet a pressing emergency, and it was because their injustice was acknowledged that they were made temporary. He begged, then, to ask her Majesty's Government whether they intended to propose the repeal of the act of Parliament which authorised the removal of Irish paupers found in England to their native coun t try The Earl of ABERDEEN —My lords, I am quite ready to admit that the state of the law connected with the removal of Irish paupers is very imperfect and defec tive, and requires much revision by the Legislature ; bat it is impossible to repeal the law at the present mo ment. In the other house of Parliament an hon. gen tleman has moved for the correspondence which has taken place between the board of guardians and the Poor-law Board on this subject. That motion has been affreed to, and the information, when it has been pro duced, will be laid on the table of your lordship's house. I think this information is quite indispensable before we can venture to proceed 0 legislate on the subject, and I think, also, that it will be deemed expedient to refer it to a committee of this or of the other House of Parlia ment —or, perhaps, of both. At present, I can say no more than that I fully admit that the state of the law requires revision and alteration, and that as soon as the ma,terids are in our possession for that purpose, it will receive the attention of the Government. Earl FITZWILLIAM had had somelexperience of the evils complained of by the noble earl (Donoughmore), and hoped a remedy would soon be provided. The Earl of WICKLOW must say that he was dis appointed at the noble earl's answer. The injustice to Ireland was great already, but if the bill introduced in the other house should pass, and the law with regard to Irish paupers remains in force, the grivance would be palpably enormous. The Earl of DERBY felt that the question of the general law of removal and that of the removal of Irish paupers were inseparably blended, and that it was im possible to legislate on the one without considering the other. He would ask the noble earl at the head of the Government whether he intended to lay on the table the correspondence with. regard to the removal of Irish paupers, and to propose that it should be referred to a committee before there was any legislation on the gene ral question of the removal of paupers. He thought the practical difficulties arising out of the abolition of the law of settlement in this country in connexion with the removal of Irish paupers was an essential element in any legislation on the subject ; and he agreed with the noble earl opposite (Wicklow) that to abolish the general power of removal as regarded this country, and at the same time to snake an exception with regard to Irish paupers, would be an injustice and Hardship that would produce well-founded dissatisfaction. He hoped that in altering the law the Government would be prepared to look upon the question in its bearing on the three kingdoms. Lord MONTEAGLE, while concurring with the noble earl who had just sat down in the tone of his re marks, thought inquiry with regard to Irish paupers should precede legislation. In England the present state of the law was erroneously considered a protection against the influx of Irish paupers. Paradoxical as it might sound, he had no hesitation in saying that it sti mulated that influx. Many Irish labourers, atter re mitting their earnings to their own country, availed themselves of the present state of the law to return there at the expense of English ratepayers. That law was at once an encouragement to the fraudulent and a hardship to the deserving. The Earl of DE3BY had ventured to ask the noble earl (Aberdeen) whether it was the intention of the Go vernment to proceed with the bill which they had intro duced before instituting an inquiry. The Earl of ABERDEEN—It certainly is the inten tion of her Majesty's: Government to proceed with the bill now before Parliament. A NOBLE Loin—. Before inquiry? The Earl of ABERDEEN—Yes. THE NAVY LIST. The Earl of HATRDIVICKE wished to inquire of her Mrjesty's Government whether the commissioners who were to be appointel to inquire into the state of the army list were to extend their inquiry to the state of the navy list ? There were two lists of admirals, one called the " active list," the other the "reserved list." On the active list there wao, perhaps, the largest number of in active officers ever known ; on the reserved list there were many very acfdve officers who were perfectly ca pable of doing their duty, and he thought it desirable that the whole subject should be inquired into. He had no doubt that the noble earl at the head of the Govern ment bad come down to the house prepared to answer his question either in the negative or the affirmative ; but if he meant to answer in the negative, he would rather he gave no answer at all. The Earl of ABERDEEN—I am afraid that not withstanding the recommendation of the noble earl, I must communicate the answer of the Government in the negative. I must say that her Majesty's Government, though they have appointed a commission to inquire into the rules of promotion observed in the military ser vice, have not thought it necessary to adopt the same course with respect to the navy, and for this reason, that this very subject has occupied the attention of various commissions and committees, and Boards of Admiralty, over and over again, very recently, and therefore there is not the slightest occasion for any fresh revision. I can only say that after the most full and mature inquiry, it has been considered that the system now in force is the best. The noble earl will recollect that her Majesty has power to set aside the rules of seniority, and to select any officer she pleases for the service, and with that ex ception, I repeat, that after consideration by several suc ceeding Boards of Admiralty and commissions appointed for the purpose, there is no reason to institute any fresh inquiry on the subject of the navy list like that proposed by the noble earl. Their lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS—(YESTERDAY.) The SPEAKER took the chair at 4 o'clock. PRIVATE BUSINESS. Mr. GEACII rose to move that the 178th standing order be suspended, with reference to the Liverpool Im provement Bill ; and that the several petitions of mer chants, manufacturers, and tr aders, resident in Birming ham, of the directors of the Chambers of Commerce, &c. of Manchester, and of the Manchester Commercial As sociation, which have been presented against the said bill, be referred to the committee appointed to consider such bill. Mr. W. PATTEN said the petitions referred to had not been lodged within the prescribed time—seven days of the second reading ; and he should strongly recom mend the house not to agree to the hon. member's motion. Mr. TIORSFALL said if the house were inclined to stand by the existing standing orders, he should not press it ; but he begged to say that every required no tice had been given, both through the local newspapers and the London Gazette. Mr. GEACH then, after some further remarks, with drew his motion. SECOND READINGS. The following bills wera read a second time :—The Caledonian and Edinburgh and Glasgow Railways —the Dukinfield Gas. THE MILITIA. --- The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH said that in the last session of Parliament an account was presented to their lordships showing the expense of the militia in 1852.53, the number of men enrolled, and the number not pre sent when the militia were called out in 1553. He pro posed to move for a continuation of that return, and he thought there should be a supplemental column, show ing the complement of each regiment. It might be ne cessary to state the result of the return, as it now stood, up to the 14th August last year. Unless some material change had taken place in the number enrolled since that period his noble friend at the head of the Govern ment was wrong in stating that 80,000 men had been raised, for it appeared that 63,000 only had been enrolled and but 60,000 had been raised. The great deficiency occurred in the counties of York and Lancaster, and especially in West York. In each of those counties there appeared to be a deficiency of from three to four thousand men. And it was remark? ble that the district upon which it was proposed to confer additional politi cal power by the Reform Bill, was precisely that which had not found anything towards the national defences. He had taken a great interest in the success of this mea sure, and had done everything in his own county, in his humble way, to carry it into effect. One regiment in that county (Gloucester) had its full complement, and the other nearly its complement. If gentlemen who had some interest in their neighbourhood would speak to farmers arid others and induce them to take the trouble to obtain volunteers, a full complement might easily be obtained in all the other counties. There was a greater facility for carrying out the provisions of the bill where there was a large police force, for the mem bers of that body made good recruiting officers, and were stimulated to exert themselves by the reward which they received of ss. for each man they obtained. Some effect was also to be attributed to the apprehension of the ballot. He had no doubt that if ali parties exerted themselves, 170,000 men would have been raised instead of 60,000. If the militia were permanently established, it would enable Government to obtain the services of officers of a better class, and more experienced, than those at present acting. If during the approaching war Government were permanently to establish the militia, he should think they were laying a foundation for public seclirlt, -- (hcal \ •Jl - 1; 1 :I,Jir g 0 -, " 1- , Alicli would g, - 1 in sonic slight way to compensate for the war itself. This would enable the Government to turn their attention profitably to the necessity of sending a proper quantity REMOVAL OF TUI,SiI PAUPERS. The Earl of DONOUGHMORE said he had a ques Con to put to her Majesty's Government on this subject; GREAT LONDON DRAINAGE BILL. On the motion for the second reading of this bill, Mr. W. WILLIAMS objected to the second reading, as, if the hiil were carried, itiwould entirely mar the great object of a complete system of drainage for the metropolis. He moved that the bill be read a second time this day six months. Mr. WALTER thought it would be most unfair to dispose of this important bill in the hasty and inconside rate manner just proposed by the hon. member, and in such a thin house. We had the fearful prospect of the revisit of cholera in the spring, and that rendered the bill all the more important, in order to have a good sys tem of drainage, and the river purified. Sir B. HALL said this bill was got up as a private speculation, and though the company who had got it up required 2,000,0001. to carry it out, they had only, he believed, got 5001. raised as yet for that purpose (hear)—and, therefore, he hoped the house would not sanction this bill. Mr. DRUMMOND said, there was an assembly meeting in this metropolis infinitely more important in their own estimation than the Imperial Parliament, and that was the Marylebone Vestry—(laughter) and though they did not issue blue-books, yet they issued very extraordinary documents. (Hear.) The hon. member caused a good deal of merriment by reading an extract from a circular issued by the Marylebone Vestry, which was couched in very inflated language. The rate asked for this purpose was I, and yet the Maryle bone Vestry opposed it. (Hear.) Lord SEYMOUR said if we could have a scheme car ried out by the public, for which the public paid, it would be much more effectual than any other means, and he should recommend the house not to send this bill to a committee. (Hear.) Sir J. SHELLEY said though the hon. member (Mr. Drummond) had made a very jocose speech on the sub ject, it was no laughing matter to the ratepayers, who had to pay the expense. (Hear, hear.) The fact was this company came before the house as they did last year, and it was sent to a select committee, who refused to sanction it on the ground that the guarantee was not sufficient, and the company now came forward again in precisely the same circumstances, and asked for a second reading. But as the noble lord the Home Secretary had a bill ready to bring in for the general improvement of the metropolis, as regarded drainage, he thought this was certainly the wrong time for the company to come forward with their bill. (Hear, hear.) Lord D. STUART said he believed the Vestry of Marylebone did its duty when they endeavoured to protect the pockets of the ratepayers from the guarantee of such a scheme as the one now before the house. Mr. BOUVERIE said no new ground had been shown why this bill should be reconsidered, and he hoped the house would reject the second reading. Mr. A. PELLATT said 25,0001. had been deposited by the promoters of the bill as an earnest that they in tended to carry out the work if Parliament sanctioned it. It was only the north side of the Thames that op posed the bill, but the south side was decidedly in its favour. Lord PALMERSTON said last year he was favour able to the bill, but since the Commissioners of Sewers was about to be reorganised he thought the question involved in this bill ought to be left for the decision of the new commission. All things considered, he did not think it advisable for the house to pass the second reading. After some further discussion, the second reading was negatived without a division. PETITIONS. Mr. W. BROWN presented a petition from a place in Lancashire in savour of the establishment of refor matory scho o' is, Several Foist itions were presented praying that public houses and 1 ,e er-shops may be closed on Sundays. Mr. MA.(kAN presented a petition from a place , in Ireland pra: ring for the repeal of the paper duty. _ _ FACTORY LABOlire. Mr. C013.33ETT gave notice that on Thursday, the 16th inst., 'he , should move for leave to bring in a bill to limit the homes of labour of women and children in fac tories to ten : hours a-day, and to provide for the better inspection e factories. NEW LIGHT. Mr. J. B ILLL wished to ask the President of the Board of Tit ade, whether any experiments have been made with a view to ascertain whether the mode of pro ducing the Voltaic Light, recently discovered by the Rev. Dr. Ca 'lan, of Maynooth, can be made available in lighthouses during fogs and snow-storms. Mr. CABODWELL replied in the negative. ORDNANCE SURVEY. Mr. RIC ET wished to ask the*Chancellor of the Ex chequer wh, r Cher the Report (of the 10th July, 1851) of the Select C c 'mmittee on the Ordnance Survey of Scot land, recomi Y Lending the abandonment of the 6 inch, and the adoption. of a 2 inch to the mile scale, and the Trea sury min - uti, thereon of the 16th December, 1851, had been act aside; also, whether any steps had recently be en taken for authorising a survey of Scotland up on a scale exceeding 20 inches to the mile ; and if so, ether he would submit to Parliament copies of any comespondence that' had taken place re specting ma, survey, together with an intimate of its cost. _ . The CHA NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in reply to the first question, stated that the Treasury minute in question was set aside by Lord Derby's Government, and when the present Government came into of fice, they 'took steps to ascertain what would be the best sc ale that could be adopted for the survey,' The inquiry• and the experiments were still going on, and when the scale was finally fixed, it would be an nounced to Parliament, with the view of having its opinion taken upon it. With respect to the second question, he had to state that no such general direc tion had been given ; but there would be no objection to produce the papers in due course. GREENLAND FISHERIES. Mr. G. S. DUFF asked the First Lnrd of the Admi ralty whether, in the event of hostilities taking place, measures would be taken for the protection of British vessels engaged in the Greenland fisheries. Sir J. GRAHAM said in the event of war being declared, due care and proper measures would be taken not only to protect the British fisheries but the whole of the British commerce in every part of the world. (Cheers.) THE EASTERN ARMY. Mr. LOVEDEN asked the Secretary at War the number of clergymen of the Roman Catholic, Church of England, and Presbyterian Faith, appointed to attend on the army despatched to Turkey. Mr. S. HERBERT replied that there were four chaplains connected with the Church of England, one with the Presbyterian Church, and two Roman Catholics. BANK RIIPTCY COMMISSION. Mr. MURROUGH asked Viscount Palmerston when the report of the Bankruptcy Commission, and the evidence on which it was founded, would be laid on the table of the house. Lord PALMERSTON said the report had not yet been received. THE NEW REFORM BILL. Lord J. RUSSELL gave notice that to-morrow he would state the course which the Government intended to take with regard to the bill for amending the repre sentation of the people, the second reading of which stood for Monday, the 13th inst. Mr. DISRAELI —May I ask if the noble lord intends to make that statement on the usual motion for the ad journment of the house. Lord J. RUSSELL—No ; I shall make it beforegoing into the orders of the day. Mr. DISRAELI—WiII the noble lord make any mo tion ? Lord J. RUSSELL—Yes. UNSTAMPED PUBLICATIONS. Mr. M. GIBSON, adverting to the announcement that it was intended to continue the prosecution of Mr. Shaw, of Dublin, for publishing an unstamped news paper, until a verdict was obtained in favour of the Government, asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether it would not be better to do here what was done in the cage of Mr. Charles Dickens ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ob served that the question was rather an argumentative one, but he did not think it would be advisable to take the course suggested. EMIGRATION SHIPS. Mr. J. O'CONNELL moved for a select committee to inquire into the recent cases of extensive loss of life aboard emigrant ships, whether by sickness, wreck, or other causes, and generally into the sufficiency or other wise of the existing regulations for the health and protection of emigrants from the United Kingdom. The hon, gentleman gave a vivid description of the horrors which were gone through on board emigrant ships, and insisted that something ought to be done in the shape of regulations for emigration vessels to miti gate it not to remove the cause of them. If the house did appoint a committee, although it would follow so close on that of 1851, yet they would be doing no more than was being done in America, where inquiry and legislation bad been going on continually in the last few years, and it would only be following the example of humanity which had been set by America. The hon. gentleman concluded by moving for a committee as above stated. Mr. F. PEEL said some of the remarks of the hon. per:son to submit the names of the officers to the Queen, and member would lead one to suppose not only that there at once to see the commissions made out, instead of it being was some defect in the law relating to passengers, but necessary, as it was at present, for seven or eight letters to also that there had been some remissness on the part of pass about the business ? (Hear, hear.) The present sys those who were charged with the administration of the tem must necessarily cause consider a ble d e l a y, an d cases might arise where that delay might be prejudicial to the law. So far as the administration of the law was con- Public service. (Hear, hear.) So again with re ard to the corned, he entertained no unwillingness to an inquiry, i s ) upply of arms. If arm' s were required for the troops, g the as he believed the duties of the officers under the Pas- Commander-in-Chief informed the Secretary at War ; the sengers' Act had been discharged in a satisfactory Secretary at War wrote to the Secretary of State request manner. The hon. gentleman had anticipated the main ing the Queen's authority for the supply of the arms ; the objection he had to this motion, which was, that the Secretary of State wrote to the Master-General and Board law relating to this subject had been recently inquired of Ordnance, communicating the Queen's pleasure, or tak into ;it was referred to a committee appointed in 1851, ing upon himself to give the Queen's authority ; and his which went into the whole case, and presented a report letter became the authority u n d er w hi c h th e arms were containing very valuable suggestions. If that report furnished. Thus there were five forms to be gone through before a single musket could be issued to the soldiers. had remained inoperative, it might not have been inex- (Hear hear.) Now, why again should there not be a mi pedient to appoint another committee, with a view of piste; of war to take all the necessary steps himself? recalling the attention of the house to the recommenda- (Ch eers. ) B u t w h at were the duties of the Secretary at tions which were then made ; but it should be borne in War? He prepared the army estimates for the regiments mind that in consequence of that investigation and based of the line ;he checked the details of military discipline, on their report, a measure was brought into the house and he attended to the execution of military law. The the following year, which !passed into a law, and was military estimates were prepared, however, according to the existing law on the subject ; and there had hardly the orders of the Secretary of State, the Secretary at - ar been a fair opportunity yet of judging of the effects of being a mere clerk—a "cranny." Crannies, it might be that law, but as far as it had hitherto been tried it had ti i e v c s es c s l aiy erks to i i a nfii n rn d i i the house, were what they n calle n d l tz India—men m o i z o oald ha co o v in a F g been found very salutary. In conclusion, the hon. en- letter with perfect a 4 single tleman said it was impossible by legislation to prevent word of the language, and the Secretary at War had about vessels going on rocks, or to make captains in every case as much to do with the estimates as the crannies of Bengal. act prudently, and, considering that the Passengers Act (Laughter.) The expenditure of the money grantedby had passed so recently, he did not see the necessity for Parliament for the army department took place under the an inquiry ; but if an inquiry should result in making warrants of the Secretary at War ; and that was the rule any suggestions likely to prevent such disasters as had he (Mr. Hume) wished to see extended to the whole.of the p occurred in the course of the last two months, he should payments on account of our land forces. The Secretary at be exceedingly glad, and he suggested that that should War also decided upon all doubtful claims respecting pen sions to widows and wounded men. In conjunction with be the form of the inquiry. the Commander-in-Chief and with the consent of the Mr. LIDDELL suggested that the committee should Treasury, he made alterations in the rates of pay and al inquire how it was that shoals of destitute Irish were lowances. He was also required to answer all questions in landed in this country, and who it was that paid their Parliament connected with the administration of the passage, army, as far as they came within his department ; but Mr. HENLEY was glad that the hon. gentleman had surely if they wished to make him an e bcient minister agreed to the committee, but was sorry to hear that he they ought to place the entire army under his control, and wished to restrict the inquiry. thus enable him to answer for the whole of it, instead of Mr. CARDWELL said the only limitation which he only a single department? (Hear, hear.) Another duty of or his hon. friend the Under-Secretary for the Colonies the Secretary/at War was the insertion of all promotions wished to put upon the inquiry was that it should not the protection appointments in the Gazette, and he was charged with extend to matters which were thoroughly investigated conduct 3r one I t o: the ofcitvhiel soldiers s ts of as the wl realm asi lor a il l m so i r s . and closed by the former committee. Beyond that the respondence the part magistrates respecting all complaints inquiry might, and he hoped would, be carried to the against officers. He also brought before Parliament the fullest extent, so that every cause of accident or casualty Mutiny Bill, framed the articles of war, and issued orders at sea might be ascertained and guarded against for the for the removal of troops. These were his duties, as de future. With regard to the loss of the Tayleur nothing scribed by the commissioners, but the artillery and elle. could be more conclusive or more clear upon that 'point neers were under another set of rules. The Iseteera-mGeenree than the report of Captain Walker, and he might be al- ral acted in his military eap e acitypreci sely Commander-in in -Chief to the to take that opportunity of stating that he had lation to these corps The civil th ofto Oththernuawnoeores, directed the local Marine Board of Liverpool to institute rest of the army. T in h the hands l duties of placed, however, Boarditnherelati an inquiry into the conduct of Captain Noble, the t wander of that ill-fated vessel. om- the respective members of which took each one department. The clothing of the army, instead of being as it was in Captain SCOBELL was clad that this subject had France, Austria, Belgium,, or Russia, under one m anage . been brought before the house, as it was one of great and ment, presen ted another anomaly. The clothing for the growing importance, and he hoped the committee would artillery and engineers and the militia, and the great coats for the whole of the army, were provided by the Board of bt the clothing for the regiments of the line be invested with ample powers to go to the bottom of the Ordn was done by colonels in a manner quite separate and die ance• whole question. He suggested that something should tint. (Hear, hear.) If the members tla Beal I ° . l be done to ensure efficient crews for emigrant ships, as well as efficient masters and mates, and a party should Ordnance were engineers or artiller be employed by the Government to see that the crew possibly be some reason for keeping y the de rs plrtm ere ne :Is ntienictth,ebrnotn in en p o o r in th t was complete in number and efficiency before the vessel e o e f th f e a r c . t Ail thenembe b r uil s of din the b w o e a re rd pl w ee e e rl was permitted to leave port. barrack • ld be agreed under th • Mr. MEAGHER hoped the motion won e control of the Ordnance, but while lie (Mr. to in the terms in which it had been proposed. Hume) admir e d th e t a l ents of that branch of the service be Mr. F. PEEL consented to withdraw his objection to was bound t o say that they did not always adopt the im the motion, upon the understanding that the inquiry proveme n t s o f modern times. He t h oug h t that if there would be confined as far as possible to new points, was a war m i n i s t er w h o wou ld a d ver ti se f or con t rac t s , Captain B ENTINCIC w as of opinion that careless- they would b e a bl e t o ge t better buildin gs , an d a t a l ess ness on board ship might be obviated to a large extent expense. (Hear.) He (Mr. Hume) had been informed, by by adopting a system of penalties which should be the way, that artillery officers and engineers could not be appointed to the command of a division ; that General stringently enforced. Burgoyne, for instance, could not have been appointed to Mr. FAGAN remarked that then had been told th a t the command; which had been entrusted to Lord Raglan. while the mortality on board American emigrant ships Was that so ? If it had been the rule in France, even h a d been eight per cen t., on boar d British ships it had Bonaparte could never have had a command. Perhaps the only been one per cent. during the last year. Now, right hon. gentleman (Mr. Sidney Herbert) would clear up could not some arrangement be made with the United this point. Again ; the appointment of general officers to States by which their regulation for emigrant ships foreign commands was settled by the Commander-in -Chief should be assimilated to our own ? At least two-thirds and the Secretaryof State ; and the Secretary at War often of the emigration to America and Canada was carried on knew nothing of an appointment in his official capacity in vessels belonging to the United States,and he .until the officer applied to him for his passage money. (Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Hume) thought that the Secretary it would not be unwise if the s • uggestaons of Mr. Kin- at War might be more conversant with the merits of offi naird were adopted up on thi s po i nt, namely, that a de- cers than the Colonial Secreta• anti ' lie was afraid that posit of money should b e requ i re d f rom every foreign the public had not always been served as well as it might emigrant ship which s h ou ld not b e returne d until a have been, in consequence of the present mode of selecting report had been rec e i ve d by the Emigration Commis- officers for commands. (Hear.) An army was of li t t le us e sioners that the passengers were being well treated. At without a good commissariat. In England and I reland th e present it was too much the practice of American vessels troops were supplied by contract, and so were the guards;best to disregard the regulations of the Emigration Commis- but the militia were supplied by the i c e o l l v on a e n ls an they eemeut the sioners directly they got outside the port • but, if this could. He understood that by b a the Ordnance in Ire commissariat was to be supplied y deposit system were adopted, there would be some check d h contract abr ad land, by the Treasury in England, an Y - b • C o * upon them. He hoped this was not true. It appeared y Sir hark s After a few words from Mr. J. O'CONNELL in Trevelyan's evidence that the present plan was enormously reply, the motion was agreed to. expensive. The Treasury should never be an executive A WAR MINISTER. office ; but it ought to control the expenditure of r y. department.(Hear.) The Colonial SecretaiT had Mr. HUME said the question which he had undertaken other f ' .• the distinction of the Order present the power of con errine, to bring before the house was to his mind one of great im- o the Bath ; but what did the Colonial Secretary know of portance ; it was one that was not novel, for he had re- the merits of officers? The Secretary at War, however, peatedly brought it before the house in an indirect form, was concerned in all questions of l promotion, sale of corn. retirement upon ha f-pay, and he would and after the Government undertook to appoint a commis- missions, and reti . _ . . . _ be more fit to judge. (Hear, hear.) fee (Mr. Hume) sion to investigate it he had hoped that much time would muchwould now lay before the house an authority, to which he not elapse before they would attempt to apply seme remedy begged their particular attention—he meant that of the to the evils of the existing system. (Hear, hear.) The, commissioners. Their recommendations were eel follows : question at this moment assumed an aspect of more than "1. That the greater part of the authority, with rote ! .. r ordinary interest ; now that we were about to enter upon vast military movements it was of peculiar importance that the departments of the army should be put.in the most perfect order. (Hear, hear.) A complicated system might be allowed to remain in a time of peace, but when we were on the brink of war it became imperative that an im mediate change should be made in the management of our military affairs. (Hear.) He confessed he was one of those who had thought war should not take place, bat it now appeared to be, rapidly coming upon us, and it was in the hope of strengthening the hands of the administration in this emergency that he brought forward this motion. (Hear, hear.) He believed the present mode of managing the accounts of the army and ordnance departments had entailed a loss upon the country of no less than between 200,0001. and 303,000/. a year; and that fact alone should be sufficient to induce the house to call for some change in the system. To make his motion intelligible, he should explain that some time ago, a commission was appointed to inquire " into the practicability and expediency of con solidating the different ' departments connected with the civil administration of the army ;" and the report of this commission,:which was presented to Parliament in 1837, and which was signed by Lord Howick, Viscount Palmer merston, Lord John Russell, and others of equal eminence, contained various recommendations. Now, the resolu tion which he wished to move was based upon that report ; it was this : " That it is the opinion of this house, in accordance with the report of the said commission, con firmed by evidence taken before the committee on the naval military, and ordnance expenditure in the years 1848-50, that measures should forthwith be taken to consolidate the different branches of the military service and expenditure, and to place the whole under the superintendence and con trol of one efficient and responsible department." (Hear.) In pressi ng suc h a mo ti on a t thi s momen t, it could no t b e considered, nor indeed had he auy idea of throwing diffi culties in the way of the Government. On the contrary, he rather tho ug ht h e was d o i ng th em a serv ice. N o admi, nistration for the last 30 years had met with so little trou ble at his hands as her Majesty's ministers this session, and for this simple reason that it was his wish too see the House of Commons avoiding everything thich was calcu lated to throw a difficulty in their way, or which could in terrupt in any way the course they had determined upon for maintaining the honour and interest of the country. At the same time such was the character of the present sys- • tem that were any hon. gentleman happened to be charged with the care of a large establishment of any description whatever, to conduct it u; on the same principle, he would very soon bring himself to ruin. What he (Mr. Hume) wished to be done was that the same plan should be pur sued with the army as was the case with the navy ; namely, that there should be a minister who should have the entire control of everything connected with the whole depart ment. He did not care whether this person was called a " Minister of War " or a " Secretary at War," all he wished was that there should be some one person to whom the whole responsibility should be given. (Hear.) Of-the eight millions we were going to expend this year, about four millions would be laid out under one authority, and the other four millions under other authorities; but why should there not be, he asked again, the same united responsibility, as at present there did exist in the navy ? (Hear, hear.) Of one thing he was quite cer tain, namely, that it was contrary to all sound principles of finance, that there should be such a divided authority as was now the case. If they questioned the Secretary at War on the subject of the army he could only answer OA to a certain portion of it; for the rest they must go to the Treasury or to the Ordnance. In short, it was ex tremely difficult to control the expenditure of the country with regard to the ar m y, f or th e y never h a d it b roug ht before their notice at one view. The Secretary at War brought in the estimates for the regiment of the line ; in about a month after they had the barrack estimates ; in another month the commissariat ; and thus, it was quite impossible for the house to take a comprehensive view of the whole department. (Hear.) The report of the coin missioners had been drawn up with considerable ability, and he thought no man could read it without being con vinced of the absolute necessity there was for some change. The orders of the Government with regard to the navy were at once conveyed to the head of the Admiralty, and everything connected with the naval expenditure was car ried out by that department. But how stood matters with respect to the army? The commissioners stated that the orders of the Government, with respect to the land forces to be employed, were communicated (as they ought to be) to a Secretary of State, under whose hand. or signature all the expenditure took place. But who did the house think was this secretary? The Secretary for the Colonies ! No doubt, when that arrangement was first made, the thing was practicable. We had then but few colonies ; but now, we had 42 or 43 dependencies, which were quite enough to occupy the whole attention of any Minister, be his talents what they might. (Hear.) Well, the Colonial office communicated these orders to the Commander-in- Chief and the Master-General of the Ordnance. When the forces belonging to these departments left the coun try on active service they formed only one body, and they ought to form only one body at home. The Commander-in-Chief and the Master-General might both be good men ; but still they were two persons, and a single individual ought to have the management of one branch of the public service. The Colonial Secretary submitted to the Queen the amount of the forces to be employed, and afterwards made known to the commander-in-chief the strength of the establishments which had been decided upon. In time of war, as the Commissioners stated, the Colonial Secretary also corresponded with officers com manding at foreign stations, and conveyed to them the orders of the Government. Sometimes he had likewise to issue warrants as to the terms upon, which soldiers were to be enlisted or pensions granted, and other important matters. All military commissions were technically issued under his authority, but it was done in the following man ner:—The commander-in-chief took the Queen's pleasure upon appointments and promotions that were to be made, he then forwarded a memorandum of those approved of to the War-office, and the Secretary at War made out two lists—one for the regiments serving in India, Ceylon, and other foreign stations, and the other for the remaining re giments wherever they might be in England, Scotland, or Ireland. The one list was transmitted to the Colonial, and the other to the Home-office ; and the commission, having been prepared in the respective departments, were sent to her Majesty for signature. They were then countersigned by the Secretary of State, and were lastly sent again to the Secretary at War, to be forwarded to the newly-appointed or promoted officers. 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