The Sun. — London, England, 1854-08-04 00:00:00

\,L 'A T 3 LT Afil HOUSE OF LORDS-(YESTERDAY.) BRIBERY BILL The Duke of NEWCASTLE moved that the standing rders be dispensed with in regard to this bill, which Was opposed by Lord Redesda!e. After a few words from the Marquis of Lansdowne, the Marquis of Clanricarde, and Lord Brougham, The house divided — Contents Non-contents Majority The resolution was therefore carried . 33 -8 The Earl of DERBY thought it would be objection able to make any amendments in the bill, now that the house had resolved to proceed with it, for there was really no time for a proper consideration of such amend ments in the other hou-e. He really would suggest to the noble duke whether it would not be as well to sus pend the standing orders and pass the bill outright at once. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE did not concur with the noble earl in thinking that amendments should not he moved. He should himself certainly at a subse quent stage propose to alter the clause as to travelling expenses, so as absolutely to put an end to payments on that head. _ The Duke of NEWCASTLE entirely approved of the course which the noble marquis intended to follow, and he should be happy to discuss any amendment with him. He trusted that noble lords would move such amendments as they thought necessary, so that the bill might be made as perfect as possible. He moved that the bill be read a second time. The bill was then read a second time. STAMP DUTIES BILL. This bill was react a second time. INCLOSURE, &c., OF LAND BILL, This bill was read a third time. • STANDARD OF GOLD AND SILVER WARES BILL. This bill was read a third time and passed. Their lordships then adjourned at ten minutes past eight o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS—(YESTERDAY.) The house resumed at six o'clock. STAMPED LETTER-PAPER. In reply to a question out by Mr. T. DIINCOMBE, Mr. WILSON stated that on the passing of the Penny Postage Act, fears were generally entertained that exten sive forgeries of , tamps would take place, and several pre cautionary provisions were introduced into the bill, one of the regulatiops being that a piece of silk should be drawn throug the paper of which envelopes were made. Experi ence had shown that these precautions were not exactly warranted by the necessity of the case. Various applica tions had been made with respect to issuing stamped letter Paper. - The subject was now under the consideration of the Government, and he was not without hope that ar rangements might be shortly made by which any person Henning a quantity of envelopes or letter paper might have them stamped at the Board of Inland Revenue. (Hear. hear.) THE CASE OF MR. NOVELLO—UNSTAMPED PUBLICATIONS. In reply to a question put by Sir J. SHELLEY, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated that, in consequence of the resolution of the House of Commons, on tie subject of the present state of the law re2,arding newspaper stamps, it had become the duty of the Govern ment carefully to consider the whole question. with the view of ascertaining whether any practic,d and satisfactory Measure could be introduced on the suojed. The opinion of the Attorney-General had been taken on the ques tion, and the suggestions which he had made had been discuss e d by himself. It was, however, impossible at uthe present period of the session for him to draw the attention of his colleagues to the question in such manner as its importance demanded. It would be the duty of the Government daring the recess to endeavour to prepare some satisfactory and effective mea sure. Although the question in a fiscal point of view was ?ne of only secondary importance, still there were many Important considerations connected with its proper settle ment. It was impossible io the present state of the ques tion to come to any resolution which would have the effect of announcing to parties that they might disregard the law as it now exists, and on the other hand, and pending a probable application to Parliament for a change of the law, it was not the intention of the Government to carry out the existing law in a more stringent manner than had been hitherto adopted. With respect to the particular publica tion of Mr. Novelle), there was no doubt whatever that, conducted as it was some time since, it was amenable to the law. He hail, however, been given to understand that the publication had been conducted with considerable cau tion, and with a proper and judicious regard to the present state of the question, and it could not therefore, under such circumstances, be the desire of tha Government to adopt any course which might justly be liable to the im putation of harshness. (Hear, hear.) THE APPOINTMENT OF MR. LAWLEY TO THE GOVERNORSHIP OF SOUTH AUSTRALIA. The house then went into committee for the purpose of affording Sir J. Pakington an opportunity of calling the attention of the house to the circumstances under which her Majesty had been advised to appoint the Hon. Franeis Lawley to be governor of the colony of South Austi alia. Sir G. GREY said the right honourable baronet the member for Droitwich had given notice of his intention to call the attention of the house to the circumstances under 'which her Majesty has been most graciously pleased to op- Point the Hon. Francis Lawley to the officer of governor of south Australia. Circumstances have come to my know ledge within the last few days which induced me, not long ago, to address a note to the right hon. baronet to Say that I was anxious before he addressed the house in Pursuance of that notice to make &statement to the house, Which with its permission I will now proceed to do. After have made that statement it will be for the right hon. baronet, or any other honourable member, to adopt such e°-" " as his sense of public duty m a y lead him to think fitting., lam desirous in the first place —as l am respon sible for sub m itti n g to her Majesty the name of Mr. Law ley for appointment to the Governorship of South Austra ha—to state frankly and unreservedly at once the circum ,l4"loes under which I submitted that advice to her Ma •lestY'• (Hear, hear.) When I was entrusted with the !eels of the Colonial Department, for a day or two before had actually received them from her Majesty, I had several conferences with the Duke of Newcastle, my im "'ediate predecessor, in which was stated the various Inattes then pen unicatding in that department. Among other hi ng e he communicated to me the arrangements which he had recently made with respect to filling up various im l'°rtant colonial governments which were becoming in cours e of time vacant. He submitted to me the arrange laeuts he had made with respect to the governments of „ 1 . 64 1ada, of New Brunswick, and of Norfolk Island. He - ,, a 'ad.that Sir Charles Fitzroy having expressed his de ,i,re on the subject, it had been intimated to him that he eald be released from his detiee as governor in the course the present year, and he had submitted to 1 er Majesty r e name o f Si r W m . D enn i son , th e p resen t governor ° I . Van Dietnen's Land, as the succ ssor to Sir C. Fitzroy, In New S out h W ales. Th e no bl e d u k e t o ld me a l so t h at h e as,ad submitted to her Majesty the name of Sir H. Young, s present governor o f S ou th A us t ra li a , f o r th e governor hi 1) of Ne w Z ea l an d , w hi c h h a d b ecome vacan t by th e ap - Pointment of the governor of New Zealand to be the go thor of th e C ape o f G oo d H ope . H e th en i n f orme d me l , being of opinion that among gentlemen administer 'lg the governth en t o f o th er co l on ies o f l e ss import ance ere was no one who had particular claims upon the con sideration of the Government on the g ounds of public ser ee or p u bli c conduct, as Secretary of State for the colo llteshe had off ere d th e governors hi p o f S ou th A us t ra li a t o A I, f _ t * Lawley. He stated to me that his acqu a int ance w ith Lawley was not of above six months' duration, but that, from the acquaintance which he had had, and the in f.orrnation which h e h a d rece i ve d o f M r . L aw l ey ' s c h aracter 4 rout those in whom he could place confidence, he was of opinion that it was most desirable that a gentleman in his Position; Of his character, and with his abilities, should ac cept colonial service under the Crown. He stated to me re4t he had been anxious to obtain the services-of Mr. Law ley as governor of South Australia, latxt4,rhat, as he - was then on the point of surrendering the seals or the Colonial Office, he had requested Mr. Lawley to g i ve hi m an ins mediate decision with respect to whether he was, or Was not, willing to accept the governorship o f S out h Australia Mr. Lawley was inclined to accept the governorship, but was anxious, as a man must naturally be under such circumstances, to hold some communication With his family and his friends before he gave a decision 'which might affect the whole course of his future life. He asked, therefore, whether a delay of a few days might be given -him for deliberation. The Duke of Newcastle informed me that he had stated, in answer to that request, to Mr. Law ley, that, as he only held the seals of the Colonial depart ment till I had received those seals, as I should do on the next or following day, and as I should be unable to trans act the business of the department while absent from Lon don during my re-election, he did not,feel that he could give the three days which Mr. Lawley had asked fur, but that it was necessary for him to give an affirmative or negative decision at once. He undertook, however, to Mention the name of Mr. Lawley to me, to state all that had passed with respect to his appointment, and to inform me that had he remained Secretary of State for the Colo nies he should have submitted the name of Mr. Lawley to her Majesty for appointment to the governorship of South Australia, if Mr. Lawley, after a few days' deliberation, lead desi re d an d b een di s p ose d t o acce pt th a t appo i ntment. ern anxious to state frankly and unreser ve dly t o th e .4°llB 8 —and I have the Duko of Newcastle's full per -IMiseion to do so—that Mr. Lawley was wholly unknown .? In% I have seen him engaged within this house an d ha ve sat on the same side of the house with him i_during the last few years ; but certainly have never ren thrown into his society, nor been upon such .er ens , with him as could authorise me to claim him as th e () ,. s t Common friend. The Duke of Newcastle, therefore, Per Med me that he thought it right to state the only `jawback which in his opinion might be alleged against , t " appointment of Mr. Lawley, and under the circum .-allees I did not consider that to be a sufficient bar to his tlPeintment. The Duke of Newcastle told me that, like ir, a i n :Y Young men I fear in his position of life, he ear 'le been addicted to—l hardly know how to describe ,nut --in ordinary language which will be understood by l e ver YhodY, and all will understand what I mean—had been ~!Ifortunately "on the turf." He had been early inclined n h orse-racing a habit adopted in common with many llther men of high rank and society in this country. I submitted that, so far from thinking this circumstance a lot eu the appointment of Mr. Lawley, or as constituting objection to hie appointment, it was, on the contrary, ree oliemendation under the circumstances which ho had et (A. laugh from th e Op pos iti on. ) H onoura bl e ge n- , tv nien opp os i te may laugh, but I certainly should not Geer!e expected th a t a p ar t y w hi c h acknowledge d L or d ge Bentinck as their head in this house, would have -acknowledged this as an objection. (Ministerial cheers.) I 'atrttifil should not hive thought to have heard them sneer _ on . employment of a person who had been so engaged, or !, at that it was an absolute disqualification 'for office t a man had been so engaged. (Renewed cheers.) I that by, however, because if bon. gentlemen will wait -till they hear the whole facts, perhaps the Duke of d that their sneers might have been spared. They Duke of Ne castle told me that Mr. Lawley had becam e deeply in pressed with th e conv i c ti on th a t th e course was on whicheld not b e a b an d one d t oo ear l y, an d he had stated that s desire was to break off from those habits in which, un fortunately, I say, and say it honestly, he had been einP lo Yed. Mr. Lawley stated th a t h e h a d accepted the office of private secretary to my right hon, friend the Chancellor .TILE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, ATGITST 4, 1854. of the Exe.hequer with a view to engage himself in higher and more useful purusits, and that his desire f colonial government was partly prompted by a wish that he might be removed absolutely from the reach of temptation, and a recurrence to those habits which it had been his anxious desire to break off. The Luke of Newcastle further in formed me that he did not consider he was bound by what hail passed between him and Mr. Lawley. He gave me his opinion, as I have already stated, that Mr. Lawley was well qualified for that appointuieut, and that it would con duce to the public service if he were so appointed. When I accepted the se is of the Colonial-office, I found that the governorship of South Australia was vacant by her Ma jesty ha: ins approved of the appointment of Sir H. Young, the present governor of that colony, to another important government. I had not, as I said before, the slightest personal acquaintance with Mr. Lawley, and under these circumstances I did not feel myself bound, after what had passed between the Duke of Newcastle and myself, to renew the offer of that appointment to Mr. Lawley. I un derstood that I was perfectly free, and wishing to shrink from no responsibility in this matter, I wish to state clearly , to the house all which passed between the Duke of New castle and myself. I was perfectly free to submit to her Majesty the name of any gentleman for the appointment of governor of South Australia. So much was I under that conviction that I had actually made inquiries with respect to another gentleman, in order to ascertain his qualifica tions, and the willingness to undertake that office, and I intended to have made the offer to that other gentleman, if under all the circumstances he had been willing to accept it. But before any decisive steps were taken with respect to filling up this government, I received about three weeks ago a communication through my private secretary from Mr. Lawley, which, I confess, gave a very aifferent aspect to the case from that in which I had before viewed it. I was then informed, for the first time, that Mr. Lawley was under a different impression from that under which the Duke of Newcastle was, and what he had communicated to me as his impression, and which in justice to the Duke of Newcastle, I sin bound to say hehas since most explicitly confirmed. Mr. Lawley stated that he conceived from what had passed between the Duke of Newcastle and himself, that he was not considered to have declined the ap pointment; that the time for which he asked had been allowed him, in order to consider the subject ; and that for a period, during the continuance of the present session, it was at his option either to deline or accept the office. He stated that he had made up his mind, upon full consideration and communication with those with whom he had previously desired to consult to accept tne governor ship of South Australia, and he expressed some surprise thatho had not received any communication from me on the subject. I received this information certainly with some surprise, because, . contrary to the impressions which, as I have already said, I had formed from the statement of the Duke of Newcastle, I spoke to a right hon. friend of mine, a relative of Mr. Lawley's, in this house, and I found that he was under the same impression as Mr. Law ley, and that not only Mr. Lawley, but that his family and friends were under the impression that the governor ship of the colony had been offered to him, and that it was in his power to decline or accept the office. I stated this fact to the Duke of Newcastle ; and, again, I am bound to say, in justification of the noble duke, he stated that the impression existing in the mind of Mr. Lawley, and of his friends, was not that which they were warranted in entertaining ; that Mr. Lawley had not, it was true, declined the appointment, and that the Duke of Newcastle had undertaken to mention it to me ; but that I was as free to deal with the appointment as if, instead of being a colleague of the noble duke's, I had succeeded him as a political opponent. With me, therefor e, must rest the responsibility of having submitted the name of Mr Lawley to her Majesty. I had to consider what my public duty required of me. I knew nothing whatever of Mr. Lawley; nothing I may say against him, not even a whisper of sus picion with respect to any transactions in which he had been engaged; and as many honourable men who live in this country are engaged on the turf and in horse racing, I slid not think that alone was a sufficient reason for re versing the decision to which the Duke of Newcastle had come with respect to the person to be appointed to thegover norship of au important colony. Upon the other hand, I knew nothing of Mr Lawley, and not having known any thing of him; I did not, as I have said before, feel justified in making any renewed offer to him. He certainly is not a gentleman to whom entirely from the absence of all knowledge of him, whether positive or negative, as. regard. his character—to whom I should have offered the govern ment, nor was his a name which I should have submitted , to her Majesty for the governor of an important colony. But when I found that he had been for some weeks under the impression, and that his friends held the same opinion, that he was to succeed Sir H. Young—when I found from in quiries among his friends, and when, from contemporaries at the university where be obtained high distinction, I re ceived the highest testimonials as to the ability and character of Mr. Lawley—l felt that I was in a position in which I should either submit Mr. Lawley's name, a gentleman with whom I had no acquaintance, and had had no opportunity of forming a judgment as to his qualifications, except from having received the opinions of many persons that he was qualified for the post which he desired to occupy ; or, upon the other hand, that I should, by acting contrary to their opinions by withholding the submitting his name to her Majesty, appear to have conveyed an opinion that I thought Mr. Lawley was not fit for the appointment, and thus have cast a stigma upon him which was wholly un merited. Having ,obtained all the information I could from every quarter with respect to the ability of Mr. Law ley, I told my right hon. friend, that although I knew nothing of that gentlemad, and should not have chosen him myself, still that uh:er all the circumstances of the case I was prepared in accordance with his opinion, with that of the Duke of Newcastle, and of others who knew Mr. Lawley, and had had opportunities of judging of his character which I did not possess, s after than do any injury or wrong, and believing from all that I had heard that he would make an efficient governor of South A us tralia, to submit his name to her Majesty for that appoint ment. I did so submit the name to her Majesty, and het Majesty approved the appointment. Fur that recommen dation I am responsible to her Majesty, and for her Ma jesty's approval of Mr. Lawley's appointment I alone am responsible. (Hear, hear.) Immediately after that ap pointment was known—and it was known, I think, on the very day on which I received her Majesty's approval of the appointment—the right honourable baronet shemember for Droitwich placed upon the notice paper of the house a ques tion to be addressed to me on the following day, asking whether Mr. Lawley had been appointed, and whether it was the intention of the Government to submit the name of Mr. Lawley to her Majesty for appointment as governor of South Australia or any other colony. When I saw that notice, I can assure the house I had not even a suspicion of any circumstances connected with Mr. Lawley to which that notice could point. I came down to the house pre pared to have heard from the right hon. baronet the grounds which would have justified his putting a question which certainly was one of an unusual character. The right hon. baronet stated no grounds for putting his question, and I need not say I do not complain of this, because the right hon. baronet is a political opponent, and was not bound to communicate to me any private information which he possessed. d From that day to this I ha ve received not.the slightest information with respect to the the supon which that question w as put. I answered question, viz.,l could t answerhat her i t t h e i r n e f a o e e e , r i d n a n e t h e e wi o t h h l ywt the a y s t i n c t e 7 s t h i t c ru h t Ihad ad • viz ed and that Majesty had been ad v i s e d to a p point Mr. Lawley to the government of South Australia, Is ay week, awl, as I have said, I was utterly at a os w the appointment. That question was put to I me s t t h e . kn l e .. to what that question pointed. (H , pointed in have been thankful to have known to what order that any valid ear, hear.) I should objection to Mr. Lawley might have been investigated fairly and filly, but I was unable to take the slightest movement towards instituting such an in quiry. I should state that immediately before I submitted the name Mr. Ls.wley to her Majesty, I spoke to my right hon. friend (Mr. Stuart Wortley), in order to ascer. tarn what his impressions were with respect to the effect of what had passed between the Duke of Newcastle and Mr. Lawley with respect to this appointment. He, as I should have expected from him, fairly told me what the Duke of Newcastle had told me before, viz:—that Mr. Lawley had been " upon the turf," and he felt that that migldbe an objection ; but. be statetlat the same time, in the explicit terms which I could desire, that there was not a single debt or liability outstanding to which Mr. Lawley was now subjict, or in order to evade which he might be desirous to leave this country on receiving the appointment. The facts, therefore, as they were known to me, were—that Mr. Lawley, as I have said has been the case with too many young men to their loss, and it may bo to their ultimate ruin, had been early engaged iu tran . sactious on " the turf ;"but that not one whisper of dis honourable conduct in connection with that pursuit had then reached or las yet reached me—(hear)- -and that there was no outstanding debt or liability to which Mr. Lawley was subject on that account. If there' bad been, I should have felt that I was departing widely from my duty as a Minister of the Crown in submitting to her Majesty the name of a gentleman with whom it. might be an object to remove himself from the reach of those means which might be enforced against him in order to enforce the settlement of his liabilities. On Friday last, after the morning sittings of the house, I returned to my office. and shortly before six o'clock, when about to return to the house, the Duke of Newcastle came to my room, end told me that he felt it hi s d u ty t o come to me and inform me at the earliest moment be could, that from two sepa rate quarters, in the course of +he day, he had received in formation of rumours being in circulation highly injuri ous to the character of Mr. Lawley. He did not tell me from whom the information was derived, but sta' ed that it was received in one instance from a peer, and in the other irons a right hon. gentleman well known to himself ❑ as well as to rue, but whose name he did not state. He told me the nature of these rumours, and as I am anxious that the house should be in full possession of all the cir cutnstances connected with the case, hon. members will think, perhaps, that I am only doing my duty if I state what was the nature of those rumours which were stated to me in the course of conversation. The Duke of Newcastle stated that he had been informed that very recently Mr. Lawley had become subject to heavy lia bilities and debts in connection with transactions on the turf. He told mo besides that there were rumours of a much more serious character as affecting the conduct, Posi tion, and character of Mr. Lawley—viz., that Mr. Lawley had availed himself of the official knowledge acquired as private secretary to the right hon. gentleman the Chancel lor of the Exchequer to eno..ag,e in extensive speculations iu the funds. The Duke of Newcastle was on his way to the House of Lords, and was obliged to leave me almost immediately. The purport of wh a t th e no bl e d u ke stated to me I have now stated to the 11ouse,andThereCould be no doubt as to the course which I ought immediately to pursue. I immediately put aside the business on which I was engaged, and addressed a letter to my right hon. friend - the Chancellor of the Exchequer—Mr. Lawley being then out of town—and I told him the extreme surprise and con cern with which I had just received this information from the Duke of Newcastle. I told him that I was assured of his entire concurrence in what I said, and that it would meet equally with the concurrence of the Duke of New castle, that if there was any foundation of truth in the ru mour, it was'iwpossible that the appointment of Mr. Law ley could proceed. Istated my most earnest hope that he would be able to disprove the truth of these rumours, and that they would be found to be destitute of foundation, and that until the receipt of satisfactory information I should suspend all further proceedings with respect to the appoint ment of Mr. Lawley ; and that in justice to him, in justice to myself, in justice to theGovernm en t, an d i n j ust i ce to theco lony to which ho was to be appointed, these reports should be communicated to Mr. Lawley at the earliest opportunity in order that he might have themeans and opportu n it y which any man was justly entitled to, o f k now i ng w h at had been said in regard to him, and having every oppor tunity of explaining or refuting the charges. My right hon. friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer immediately came to me. He told me that Mr. Lawley was out of of town, that he would be in London on th e following night, .and I asked him what course it would be best to take with the view of bringing these facts and rumours Under the notice of Mr. Lawley. He said that Mr. Lawley was to be in town the ne xt da y , an d asked my opinion as to whether it wad desirable that he should t ransm it by the ofpost letter to him to Mr. : Lawley As Lawley wag evening my town the followi ng day, we at bein thought that, by sending, the letter, we lit incur the risk of hi s nu t receisAtog itidrlBl ht.the best . way was that my ri g ht hon. friend should Write to Mr. Lawley, to say that he had received such a letter, in order to ensure his early arrival in town. On Monday morning the house sat at twelve o'clock. I was there, and I asked my right hon. friend the Recorder of London (Mr. Stuart Wortley) whether he had seen Mr. Lawley, and I was in formed by him that Mr. L twley had gone to my office in Downing-street, with a view to see me there. I was in this house at the time, and my private secretary, who is also a member of this house, was likewise here. Very shortly after that communication was made to me, after I had been informed of Mr. Lawley's desire to see me, with the view of completely denying the truth of these reports, I received through my private secretary a letter addressed to him, which he put into my hands in this house and which contained, as it appeared to me, a clear, satisfactory, and conclusive denial of by far the most serious charge and im putation which had been brought against Mr. Lawley, namely, the fact of his having speculated in the funds upon his official information as the private secretary of the Chan cellor of the Exchequer. I transmitted that letter imme diately to the Duke of Newcastle, because, as it was through his grace that these reports had reached me, I was desirous that he should see the terms in which the charges had been met, and I was anxious not to rely only on my own judg ment, though I fairly avow that in writing to his grace, I stated my belief that the terms its which Mr. Lawley's de nial was expressed were quite conclusive in regard to by far the most serious of these imputations. The Duke of Newcastle concurred with me in that view. Subsequently on meeting the Recorder of London, he renewed to me, as he was empowered to do, the direct denial of there being any liability or debt existing to which Mr. Lawley could b,.‘ subject, and with a view to avoid which he was desirous of leaving this country. And with reference to that lam anxious to state that in theonly intervisr which I had with Mr. Lawley—the only opportunity which I had of speaking to him o a the subject of his appointment—he appeared de sirous to fix a time for his departure from this country which I thought too remote, and I told him that if he accepted the Appointment I should bold him liable to proceed tothe colony whenever I required him to do so, without suiting his own convenience by waiting till a more distant period. I men tion that circumstance because I think it shows that in the only conversation which I had with Mr. Lawley, there was clearly in his mind no desire to leave this country, so as to avoid any liability to which he might be subject and that, in truth, in accepting the appointment he con ternpLted a longer residence here than I thought consistent with the public interests. (Hear.) So matters stood until this dny. The right hon. baronet opposite in the mean time gave notice of the motion which appears on the papers for this evening ; and I thought that the statement which I am now making ought then to be made to the house, in order that it might be known precisely under what cir cumstances this appointment had been made, and that I might have an opportunity of referring to the testimonials, certainly of the most satisfactory kind, so far as any man's judgment can be formed from such documents, which Ihad received as to the ability, the honour, and the integrity of Mr. L- wley. (Hear.) But in the course of this morning I received from my right hon. friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer a cominithic ition which did astonish me, which he made, no doubt, with the deepest regret and concern, and which I need not say I received with the same feel ing's. From that communication it appeared that Mr. Lawley had been engaged in transactions in the funds within the last few mouths which, to a certain extent justified those rumours which had been stated to me, an with regard to which I had expressed my opinion—an opinion in which my noble friend the Duke of Newcastle entirely concurred —that if there was any foundation of truth in them theappointment of Mr. La wley could not proceed. It is clue, in justice to Mr. Lawley, to state—and it is within he knowledge of my right hon. friend that I ain able to state with certainty—that the information with regard to ,here transactions is derived exclusively from Mr. Lawley himself. (Hear, hear.) I am informed that late last Might he felt it his duty to communicate to my right hon. Friend the facts the purport of which was communicated ne to-day. I have stated before that the charge which I understood to have been made against Mr. Lawley wad this -that ho had availed himself of his official knowledge Ls private secretary to my right hon. friend to engage in these speculations in the funds. I have no reason to be lieve that that is the case. (Hear, hear.) lam informed that the speculations in which Mr. Lawley engaged were losing speculations and not gaining speculations. Mr. Lawley is entitled to the bailout of that statement ; but, however he may be affected by it, I am bound to say that in my opinion it did not in the least affect my duty to the Crown, to this country, and to the colony, and I imme liately addressed a letter to her Majesty, expressing my ;reat regret and concern that I had recently submitted for the approval of her Majesty an appointment which I now felt it my imperative duty, under circumstances which had just come to my knowledge, humbly to advise her Majesty to revoke. (Hear, hear.) I believe I have now submitted the whole of this painful case. Painful I may say to me it has been to make this statement. (Hear, hear.) Though I have thought it right to state what passed between the Duke of Newcastle and myself before I accepted the seals of the Colonial-office in iorrection of the impression which existed in the mind of Mr. Lawley and that of his friends, yet I feel that the responsibility of submitting the name of Mr. Lawley to her Majesty devolves no doubt upon myself ; and any censure which the house may feel is due to that act I will humbly and patiently submit to, though, as I have already said, the motives which influenced me were such Ls I venture to think would have influenced any other man in my position. (Hear, hear.) In the absence of the slightest shadow of suspicion which had been suggested to , ne as attaching to the integrity and honour of Mr, Lawley, mud with the strong testimonials I had in my hand to his Lbiiity and qualifications from those in whom I had con idence, I think I could not have acted otherwise than I (Hear, hear.) I believe I have now stated fully, frankly, and unreservedly to the house all the circum stances of this transaction. Having done so, it is for the right honourable b arone t o pp os it e t o t a k e any course which his sense of public duty may leal him to take with regard to this subject. I am at this moment absolutely In ignorance of the grounds upon which the right Honourable baronet placed his notice upon the paper. I am told that an application was made to him to know whether he intended to impugn the appointment of lir. Lawley upon public or private grounds, but that the right honourable gentleman, in the exercise of a .liscre►,ion which Ido not question, declined to give any itich information. If it had not been for Mr. Lawley's ,wn act—if he had not stated fully, freely, and unreservedly to my right hon. friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer the whole circumstances of his transactions in the funds— I should have come down here to-night ignorant of the grounds upon which the right hon. baronet meant to im pugn the appointment, and I might thereby have been led so make statements which I might afterwardsdeeply regret, but which Mr. Lawley has now prevented me from being induced to make by the statement which he has himself made. The appointment, as I said before, her Majesty has been advised to revoke ; and I may state here that, when Mr. Lawley made his statement last night, he felt that he was making a statement which would prove fatal to his prospects in the colonies, and at once declared that he con ihsaeayre.)maldoh,atvheeobnolyostootahftoerri n t f h o e r t a a t t i e o m o e u n p t o o I con sidered his a pp o i n t men t ' a lt oge th er a t an en d . (H ear, wish for orf if,u the subject—(cries of " no, no")—or thinks that an investi gation into all the circumstances of the case should take place—(renewed cries of "no, no")—her Majesty's Govern ment is in the hands of the house, and is ready and willing to agree to whatev e r ma y be considered necess ar y. Sir J. PAKlNGTON—Notwithstanding th e observa tions with which the right hon. baronet has clos.d his speech, I beg to state that I am deeply sensible of the per fect candour with which . the right h on . gen tl eman h as now addressed the house (hear)—and that I am no less sensi ble of the honourable feeling which has distinguished that speech. (Hear.) I can assure the right hon. baronet that, whatever political differences may divide us, I do not be lieve that he is a man who would recommend to the Sove reign the appointment of any person to exercise the high and responsible duties of a Colonial governor, unless he was satisfied of the fitness of that individual—(hear)— and I hope the right hon. gentleman will do me equal jus tice, and will believe that I have approached this painful subject solely and exclusively from a stron g and p aramount ne sense of public duty — (hea r, hear) —arisi b from the deep interest which I naturally take in the welfare of our colo ilia] dependencies. (Hear.) I had no desire to impede the fair advancement of a gentleman towards whom I dial not feel, nor could not feel, a shadow of personal enmity; nor could I have any desire to wound the friends of that gen tleman, many of whom are personal friends of my own. But I am unable to aree altogether in the opi nion which appears to have been entertained by the Duke .of News • castle, and which the right honourable baronet , , as I un derstood him, has himself avowed, of . the personal, fit ness, irrespective of these' painful rumours and trans actions, of Mr. Lawley for the position to which he was appointed. The right honourable baronet has stated that I gave him no grounds for the question which I put to him this day week. I can assure the right hon. gentleman that if he thought that I was deficient in courtesy in so do ing, or if he thought I was deficient in courtesy and fair ness in not having held communication with him in regard to the course which I intended to take to-day, no such dis courtesy was meant by me; I deeply felt the difficulty and delicacy of the duty which I had undertaken. I was de •;irous not to say a word more upon this painful subject than I could possibly help; and I can assure the right hon. baronet, in consequence of the reference which he has made to me, that it was not till within the last few hours that I could conclusively make up my mind as to the course which my public duty required. me to take. I have • said that I could not concur in the opinion of the Duke of Newcastle with regard to the personal fitness of Mr. Lawley for this appointment. I belie ve , an d I thi n k th e r i g h t hon. baronet will agree with me, that among the patronage of the Crown, which is exercised by the advisers f o the Crown, there is scarcely any which ought to n • e exercised with greater care and with a nor© anxious and single-minded reference to the public int eres t s t h an the appointment of governors for our colonies. (Hear.) Those appointments oug ht t o b e ma d e i n such a mann er as not onlyto secure the sa ti s f ac ti on an d confidence o f this country, but what i s s till more i mpor t an t to satisfy the colonists over whom the gentleman so chosen are to preside, that these solely with refer ence to the appointments have been made lonies.(Hear, hear.) If thi s itern interest and welf a re o f the Co. rue gener a lly it i s espec i a ll y and peculiarly true with references nies at the present mo men t . ' discoverieshe to the Australian colo put these colonies in a most critical of gold have position. They re quire the anxious care a n d attention of the colonial Governments. The of the i m p er i a l an d colony of Victoria, at a very recent period, I may without a dissolved. The colony of South Australia,exggeration say was immediately con tiguous to Victoria, alth oug h no discoveries have been made within it, bias undergone a period of c ommercial disturbance ; and it w as desiragrbeleatfor the social and in terests of the colony. and indeed of all the Australian co lonies, that the gentleman selected to be governor should posse ss statesmanlike qualities and known abilities. He ought to be a m .n of great experience in public affairs, of great firmness, and of great judgment. He ought to be loan whose character should at once inspire c on fid ence • a his qualifications, and enable him to give a healthy moral tone to that society of which he is to be the head, and ought to be leader and the guide. Now, I do not think that I at all disparage the claims of Mr. Lawley--I thi n k I s a y nothing to which the friends of Mr. Lawley can take any fair exception when • I state that, considering his age and position, and his limited experiencein pnblicaffairs, the appointment of Mr. Lawley, under any circumstances as governor of one of the Australian colonies at this moment, was one that was too likely to excite feelings of dis satisfaction in the colony, and was not likely to conduce to the advantage of those rising communities. But, irre spective of this consideration, when I gave notice of my intended motion two days ago, the hon. and learned gen tleman the recorder of London adverted to what he spoke of as calumnious rumours, and stated very naturally his anxiety for an opportunity to meet and dispose of those rumours. The right hon. baronet has now again referred to th ese ' rumours. lie has given fresh prod of their ex tended currency. They have been commented upon by the publi c press; they have become the subject of remark in so ciety ; and under these circumstances I did feel that my public duty required that I should call the attention of the house and of the Government to this appeintmentin order that, before Mr. Lawley left this country to under taksi the' go vernene n't,;:ofrthe i portant or Strut 'Ms tralia, these rumours, which had become current in every circle, might be set at rest one way or the other. I did feel that it was due to Mr. Lawley himself, that it was due to the Government who appointed him, but, above all, that it was due to the colony, that Mr. Lawley should not commence his career under the disadvan tage of having these rumours preceding his arrival in the colony, and therefore under circumstances which could not but be disadvantageous to him as well as to those whom he was appointed to govern. It was therefore really as a matter of public duty, and in spirit of fairness to all par ties, that I did venture to give my opinion, that before Mr. Lawley commenced the important duties which the Go vernment had assigned to him, these rumours should be disposed of one wayor the other. After the speech which the right hon. baronet had made, and after the distressing allusions in that speech, I think it is hardly necessary for me to say that I certainly should not have thought that the mere fact of having been connected with the sport of horse racing was of itself a disqualification for holding the office of governor of South A us t ra li a, or any other high appoint ment. I believe, without reference to party considerations, without regard to one side of the house or the other, that noblemen and gentlemen of as high and unimpeachable honour as ever adorned society in this country have taken an interest in the sport of horse-racing; and that it would be an absurdity to contend that a mere taste for that sport was of itself a disqualification for high office. (Hear.) The right hon. baronet has asked me what course I intend to take. To that I can return but one answer—the course taken by the right honourable baronet himself has spared me from a painful duty. I think that, under the circum stances wh ch have occurred, .Mr. Lawley has acted as a gentleman in his position ought to have acted, and so far as I am concerned nothing further will fall from me upon this subject. (Hear, hear.) The subject must now be considered to be at an end. I cannot but think that the information which has been communicated to us justifies me in the course which I thought it my duty to take. 1 shall say no more upon that point, but shall conclude by express ng the hope, which I trust may be considered al most as superfluous, that the house will believe that no thing but a paramount sense of public duty has induced me to take any part at all in this. ransaction. (Hear.) Mr. S. WORTLEY—I need not say. that I rise upon the present occasion with feelings of the most painful nature —(hear, hear)—not on ve count of the explanation which I feel to be due to the house with respect to what took place ou a former evening, but because I feel that I have in my hand the interests of one who niust ever be dear to me, and because I am apprehensive that any imprudence on my part should be dangerous to a reputation which hitherto has been untarnished. (Hear, hear.) The right hon. baronet the Secretary for the Colonies has expressed his regret that the right hon. gentleman opposite has up to the present moment never intimated, either to the Minister who was responsible for his appointment, or to the friends of Mr. Lawlev, the nature of the charge which he intended to make—whether it was upon public grounds as to the fit ness of the individual selected, or whether it was upon such private grounds as those which have been referred to this evening. Under these circumstances, there was nothing for Mr. Lawley and his friends but to collect from public rumour what it was that the right hon. gentleman opposite meant, and that public rumour undoubtedly embodied the charges which have been already referred to. By far the gravest and most important of these charges was this, that Mr. Lawley had availed himself of his official knowledge as private secretary to the Chancellor of the Exchequer to speculate in the funds. The moment that I heard that imputation I utterly disbelieved it. But before I pursue that, allow me to confirm some of the statements which have been made by the Colonial Secretary In justification of Mr. Lawley. I must tell the house, in the fi rs t p l ace, that this appointment was obt a i ne d by Mr. Lawley solely by his own exertions. No person applied for it in his be half ; no influence was used by his relatives or others to obtain it for him ; it was h s merits, and his merits alone —his services in the last eighteen months, during which he has been a most able, efficient, and faithful servant to the Chancellor of the Exchequer—which recommended him to official men for that appointment. (Hear, hear.) I myself heard of the appointment with astonishment. At first I was informed that the appointment was to the go. vernorship of West Australia, and as a relative of Mr. Lawley I more than once remonstrated, and expressed my regret that so able and so promising a man should place himself in exile in such a manner as that. I found I was t m ra is l t ia ak . en ß , u a t n e d ve t n ha t t he t n he it ap w p a o s i the friends of Mr. Lawley could approve of his leaving this l o u S o t o a u h t o h s A thus at country. When, however, we were told that the Chan cellor of the Exchequer had recommended him to accept the appointment, and that it would afford him an oppor tunity of withdrawing from that unhappy connection which has been the unfortunate cause of all this mischief, we rejoiced that an opportunity which I knew he was himself anxious to obtain had been placed withi n hi s reac h. A connection with the turf, as it is called, is unfortunately one from which a man cannot withdraw himself in a mi nute. He has contracted obligations to whi c h h e mus t b e attentive in order to aver t great losses at a future time, and it is impossible to withdraw himself from such a connection in a moment. I was consequently aware that prior to the time when this appointment was offered to him Mr. Lawley had not been able entirely to extricate himself; but I knew at the same time that he was anxiously de sirous to do so as soon as possible, and it was upon that ground that his family were prepared to recommend him to accept the governorship of South Australia, though they certainly were of opinion that the acceptance of such an ap pointment would involve some sacrifice on the part of a man with his connections, with his fortune, with his abilities, and his determination to devote them to the public service, and with a seat in Parliament. Not that I mean to depre ciate so high and impol taut an office as the governorship of South Australia—l merely state what our views were—and at all events Mr. Lawley was advised to accept the appoint ment. The right hon. baronet the Secretary for the Colo nies, as he has already stated to the house, came to me and asked me what was the understanding of Mr. Lawley's fa mily with reference to what had passed between him and the Duke of Newcastle. My answer was that we had all understood that the office was placed at Mr. Lawley's dis posal, but that he had asked and obtained time to consider the subject. The right hon. baronet, in the handsomest and kindest manner, immediately said that there was au end to all further question in regard to the appointment, and that he was wilting to take the whole responsibility of the nomination. I then thought it my duty to estate to the right hon. baronet that Mr. Lawley had not only been on the turf, but had also incurred losses and embar rassment—that he had made a full statement of all his difficulties to his friends, and that care would be taken, he having considerable expectations, that by the time he left this country he should not be a single farthing in debt. (Hear.) We were, of course, greatly astonished by the question of the right honourable baronet opposite, and were anxious to ascertain whether it was brought forward upon public or private grounds. I made an application to the right honourable baronet on the subject, but he de clined to give inn the desired information. Sir J. PAKINGTON—I did not decline. I stated that I was then unable to give an answer, but promised to do so as soon as I possibly could. Mr. S. ViTORTLEY—You said that you would give me an answer on the following Thursday, which was the day on which you wore to bring forward your question. Mr. Lawley was out of town at that time. I wrote to him immediately that it was necessary he should come to London. He came. I saw him the moment he ar rived. He told me that he had seen attacks against him in the newspapers, not on private, but on public grounds, and frankly admitted that the appointment of so young a man to an office of such importance might vary fairly be made the subject of comment and animad version in the press. I told him that there were charges affecting his personal honour, which he must be kre pared to meet if he intended to bold the appointment. I said I was unable to ascertain the grounds or purport of the motion which the right hon. baronet intended to make in this house, but I added it was rumoured, and that the rumour had reached the Duke of Newcastle and Sir George : I rejoiced which ra th e at up h e e n d a id fe s r o m , and ad vised him to write to Si r G eorge Grey to that effect. Such occa sion to refer to what I called the " calumnious rumours" which were afloat concerning Mr. Lawley. To this moment I has believe I ha d his ve Mr. Lawl e y' s authority for saying that he use o 14 cial k now l edge as private secretary to the Chancellor of th e E xc h equer for thpurpose of spe culating in the funds ; and i I it is e purp indeed clear and manifest that he has never done so, for, as h ' as been alreadystated, his speculations have been l os i n ess sp y eculations, and have only increased his difficulties. 6 ' oubsequentl however, he th o ught it right—havin g up to that time concealed ' the fact under the false impression that he was bound not to dis close the names of others —to state to the Chancellor of the Exchequer that he had been e ngaged in speculating in the funds, but that those speculations had been wholly uncon nected with any official information which ho might have possessed. Under th htes se tcircumstances Mr. Lawley does not complain in the slig_ degree of th e step which has b een taken by the right hon. baronet the Secretary for the Colo nies; on the contrary, he has no doubt that thublic ser vice• •ed it, and that, after such required a great indiscretion of, it was of as he hai l been guiltycourse utterly impossible that his appointment could proceed. have stated that it was by his own merits alone that he obtained this appoint ment. I do not rely upon my own opinion upon that point. It might be biassed by affection. or do I rely upon the • • of his friends merel, but uPon that of public men opinion opportunities °fi le d • having the greatest ging of Mr.Lawley, I h • and qualifications. old in my hand a letter his capacity from one of the distinguished the public ser vants in the coun try—Mr. John Wood, chairman cf he Bo ar d of Inlan d Revenue. He bad frequently spokenti to me a b ou t thi s appointment, and had referred in f highest terms to the ability and fitness of Mr. alb Law y o .'ectio the office. I asked him if ho would have nny is werej these • put his opi- His err( " I wish I nion upon paper. public e '— had the opportunity to give myl could testimony to his fitness for the appointment.refer to my know ledgeTS, of him for very many years, two ond more particu larly to my experience during t to the Chancel lor i"s he has acted as private secretary of the Ex iles a day passed during that period • Ex chequer. Seldom cation with in which I have not had communication him, and this is by no means the first occasion on which I h ave ex pressed my admiration of his talents, his indef a ti gable in dustry, and his singular aptitude for business • These qua lities are enhanced by a mo st amiable temper and an earnest sincerity, which are peculiarly valuable in official life. lam well aware that he has long entertained a par tiality for colonial government, and has been desirous to much I qualify himself for it ; and,inBol as wish that he had ne degree remained in this country, I am reconciled to his going, believing that an honourable careers- of distin guished usefulness is before him. (Hear, hear.) Th at is the opinion of a disinterested and certainly most capable witness. But I have got another testimony --not from a gentleman belonging t o some politicalparty the . as Mr. Lawley—not from an old friend —but —but from a distinguished man, holding a high and important office. It is to the following effect :—" I shall mach regret your departure from Downing-street, whoever may be your successor, and you have nw hearty good wishes for yonrsuccess in yourgo verninent, of which I cannot havoc doubt, for you will bring to the discharge of your dati s talents , activity, and hon es ty of purpose, and every quality requisite to insure success." (Hear, heir.) That is the opinion of the Chairman of the Board of Customs, Sir Thomas Fremantle. I feel it due to the Government who made this appointment to bring be fore the house these testimonies to the fitness of Mr. Law ley; and I do so also for the purpose of confirming what I have already said, that he obtained the appointment, not by the influence of friends, but by his own merits, and of showin g that it was an honourable ambition whi c h prompted him to accept it. I likewise wish to state that until a late hour last night, neither his own family nor any member of the Government could have been at all aware of his transactions in the funds. I can only repeat most emphatically that on no occasion has Mr. Lawley used his official situation for the purpose of assisting in these speculations. They are the unfortunate consequence of a habit acquired in former years , when he kept the so ciety of men who indulged in gam bling transactions 9f this description, but in no instance as ho availed himself of his officiatrilosition. e(Hear, IP there be the.slightett doubt of that, Mr. Lawley is willing to lay bare his breast. and submit to any inquiry or examination, either by a committee or any other tribunal the House of Commons may think necessary. I have again to assert that though there may be, as I deeply regret there are, reflections on his prudence, on his honour there are none ; and I trust he will survive to resume, at some future time, the career from which he is at present displaced, with better hopes and under better auspices. (Cheers.) Lord D. STUART said, although he had not the honour of Mr. Lawley's acquaintance, and although it might seem strange that sitting on the same side of the house he did not even know that gentleman by sight, he was exceedingly desirous of having one question answered for the sake of Mr. Lawley himself, and he earnestly wished and expected the answer would be favourable to him. The right hon. gentleman the Colonial Secretary said he had received in formation which satisfied him that Mr. Lawley, during the time that he had filled the office of secretary to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, had not speculated in the funds. The right hon. gentleman stated, that subsequently he had received from Mr. Lawley himself a letter stating that unfortunately he had during that time fallen into the error of speculating in the funds, or entering into some transactions connected with the funds, although he had not used his official information in any way for the pur pose. Many hon. gentlemen near him understood the right hon. gentleman to say that he had received a letter from Mr. Lawley, at first stating that he had not during the periodhehel sp dth ec e n office of secretary the funds. secretar H yto theewished to Chancellor of the Exchequer know whether that impression was correct? Sir GEORGE GREY had stated before that in conse quence of rumours which reached the Duke of Newcastle, which the Duke of Newcastle communicated to him, and which he immediately communicated in writing to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, which were that Mr. Lawley had made use of his official knowledge, as private secretary of the Chancellor of Exchequer, to speculate in the funds, on Monday he received a communication which he thought, and had a right to think, was satisfactory and conclusive on these grounds. He certainly understood the purport of that communication to cover the denial of any speculation in the funds during the time Mr. Lawley was private secre tary to his right hon. friend. But, as he had distinctly stated a reply was required directly to the very point, had he made use of his official knowledge for the purpose of speculating in the funds, and he was bound to belive that the denial, whatever the terms, had reference to the charge which was communicated in writing to hisright hon. friend. Mr. DISRAELI—When the conduct of an individual is under discussion it is not agreeable to interfere; but, after the painful conclusion which has t a k en place to-day, there are some observations which fell from the right hon. the recorder, differing in some degree from the Secretary of State, with respect to the conduct of my right hon. friend the mem ber for Droitwich, which I do not think I ought to pass over unnoticed. Those right hon. gentlemen seem to charge my right hon. friend with want of straightforwarness and candour, because, after he felt it his duty to give notice to the house that he should bring this subject of the appoint ment of Mr. Lawley before the consideration of the house, he did not state explicitly what were the grounds upon which he was about to challenge the propriety of that ap pointment. 1 think the house will feel, after what it has hoard this evening, that my right hon. friend was placed in a situation of extreme difficulty, and that it was impossiblefor him definitely and precisely to state what were the charges he had to make against Mr. Lawley, or on what particular grounds he would challenge the propriety of that appoint ment. I am myself individually aware of the extreme pain which my right hon. friend felt during the few days which have elapsed with regard to this question. On more than one occasion he did me the honour of consulting me, and certainly the opinion I gave him was not one which at all encouraged him in any plcipitate conduct in the affair. (Hear, hear.) My hon. friend was actuated by as pure a sense of public duty as influences any gentleman. (Hear.) I am sure if the letter referred to by the Recorder were read to the house, it would show that my right hon. friend was influenced by feelings of the utmost courtesy and cor diality, and I feel it my duty, after the observations whit have been madq, to express my own opinion (and I hope and believe it is the opinion of a majority of this house, of gentlemen on both sides) that the conduct of my right hon. friend the member for Droitwich has been perfectly justi fied by all that has passed. (Hear.) Mr. BRIGHT—I think the house will be disposed to pass from the consideration of a case certainly the most painful tht has occurred since I have had the honour to be a mem ber of it, and I should not say a syllable with regard to a gentleman who, possibly without intending anything wrong, is placed in a position which must give great pain to himself and his friends. But there is another point involved in this notice which has been very much concealed, or rather pressed out of sight by the urgency of the personal case, and that is the fact of the appointment of a gentleman to an office of high responsibility under circumstances, apart from all private character, which, I think, deserve the attention of the house. I think the right hon. gentleman the Colonial Secretary partly, if not entirely, admitted that when this appointment was brought under his notice he himself had some doubt as to the propriety of it, and I think the right hon. gentleman the Recorder of the city of London said that he heard of the appointment with asto nishment. I may say, I believe that feeling of astonish ment was almost universal among members of this house ; and if a feeling of astonishment was created here, I should like to ask what must we expect to be the feeling in the colony over which this appointment was made? For myself, though extremely sorry that this question has come before us as it has done, I hope it may be a ' warning to the present Colonial Secretary and hi s suc cessors that the men to be appointed to these onerous and responsible offices—to be sent to the other side of the globe to represent the monarch of these realms, and to carry out the behests of the Imperial Parliament—should at least be men to whom no one here can point a finger, and men who can at least deserve, if not obtain, Ihe full confi dence of the population they are intended to govern. Mr. ADDERLEY thought everybody must allow that the appointment of Mr. Lawley was a most unfortunate one, and more especially unfOrtunate for that gentleman himself, though, after all he had not been guilty of any thing dishonourable. 1 The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—I n th e observations which I am d es i rous o f o ff er i ng t o th e h ouse I do not intend to en t er u p on th e persona l part of th i s dis cussion, exc e pt th a t I canno t re f ra i n, as b e i ng one who still feels a warm and an affectionate interest in the future . of Mr. Lawley, from tendering my thanks to the house for the considerate spirit in which they have approached this discussion. I think it justly due to the right hon. gentleman, the member for Droitwich, to tender him my thanks, particularly as I am one who might question the discretion in the exercise he has made of his undoubted right to bring this subject forward. The speech which that right hon. gentleman has made to-night has entirely convinced me, not that he has been governed in this pro ceeding by a sense of public duty, but that he has sincerely desired to unite the peformance of that duty with every demonstration of friendliness of feeling towards the sub ject of it. (Hear.) It is not always usual for colleagues to endeavour to do justice to one another when they are challenged as to the mode in which they exercise their particular functions ; but, at the same time, from the intimate relation I bear towards Mr. Lawley, first, in respect to my private connection with him, and, secondly, in respect to his official capacity, and bearing in mind tho peculiar circumstances by which my right hon. friend (Sir G. Grey) has become nominally responsible for this ap pointment, I feel that sometiing is due to him also. But a few weeks have elapsed since my right hon. friend has assumed his present office, having previou.ly occupied the position of an independent member of this house, and I think the house will believe that, although my right. hon. friend has challenged that responsibility, yet the greater part of it belongs to those who are not ostensibly the authors of it. I am quite sure that the Duke of Newcastle would be the last man to desire that any one should re lieve him from one grain or tittle of that responsibility which attaches to his duty. The origin of that appoint ment arose from a suggestion made to the Duke of New castle, not by Mr. Lawley, nor by any of his family ; but those who made the suggestion did so from a personal knowledge of that gentleman and upon public grounds, and from a conviction that the appointment was one that would be beneficial to the public, I need not conceal the fact that the Duke of Newcastle did not determine upon that appointment without reference to me, and he called upon me to give my advice' as to whether Mr. Lawley was or WAS not fit for the appointment. Between my noble friend the Duke of Newcastle and my self the responsibility for the appointment is shared, my noble friend having been the official author of the proposal, and I having been the principal witness to whom he re ferred. I cannot consent—and this is the main cause of my rising—to leave the question on the footing on which it has been placed by my hon. friend who has just sat down. I agree in all that my hon. friend said with regard to colo nial governors. I might even agree with him—although, perhaps, in this we should find few persons disposed to ac company us—in thinking that if the people of South Aus tralia should desire to recommend their own governors to the home Government, it would be a wise act to gratify their wishes. It is, however, enough for me to point out on this occasion that the people of South Australia have expressed no such wish, and, indeed, it is my belief—and I am bound to declare it—that at this moment it is the desire , of the people of the colonies to receive their governors, selected as they best may be, at the discretion of the Mi nisters of the Crown from among qualified persons in this country. It having been said that Mr. Lawley's appoint ment was on public grounds an improper one, and dis creditable to the Government which made it, I wish to ad dress myself briefly to the consideration of this part of the question. The hon. member for Manchester r?presents Mr. Lawley as totally unknown in this house—the hon. member said that my hon. friend was not even known by sight to him and other members. Why was he unknown? I say it was impossible for Mr. Lawley, as long as he bold the office of private secretary to the Chancellor of the Ex chequer, to acquire that degree of distinction in this house to which his abilities and knowledge fairly entitle him. My right hon. friend near me (Sir C. Wood) and the right hon. gentleman opposite (Mr. Disraeli), both of whom have held the office which I have now the honour to fill, will, I am sure, confirm my statement that the duties of the pri vate secretary to the Chancellor of the Exchequer are not analogous to those of private secretaries to other Ministers, but are in a great measure official and departmental duties which devolve on him owing to the anomalous position of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, whose place is more out side than inside the Treasury with respect to the great bulk of his duties, and who is therefore compelled to make his private secretary the medium of the most important commu nications with the Board of Inland Revenue, the Board of Customs, the Bank, and other great bodies. I can tell t he hon. member for Manchester that, although Mr. Lawley has not, for the reasons I have stated, had the opportunity of quiring distinction, ard of making himself known in ( this during house, ho has undergone more labour for the public ig e the last and the present session, and has acquired snore exper4ence in public of a difficult and important c haracter, than falls to the lot of most of those who sit here for,l will not say one or two, but for five, six, o r even ten ses sions. I make this statement on the str en g th of my own official experience. It is all very well to say that we should not appoint young and unknown mon to be governors of colonies. That is sound doctrine , b ut those who call upon the Government to adopt it as the invariable rule of their conduct should consider what we offer to colonial gover nors, and what we ask them to do. We ask them to ex patriate thernselves—we ask them to assume a place in society which is often com p a ratively rude, and in a cli mate probably unhealthy —we ask them heavy anti serious risks, th at of unpopularity among others —we expose them to be recalled at the variable caprice of a colonial secretary, who is not bound to assign any rea son for his conduct —and for all this we offer them remu neration which in, in most instances, miserably low. Under these circumstances, you come forward and say, as the hon. member for Manchester does, " It is the duty of the Government to select only well-known men." you may ask well-known men, but well-known men will not go. (A laugh.) There is not a person who has had anything to do with the making of colonial appointments who is not aware of Vie extreme difficulty of finding competent per- . sons who will accept them, and consequently the only re source of a colonial secretary is to fall back upon men who are not well-known, but who, he feels assured, from the opportunity he h as h a d o f es ti mat i ng th e i r t a l en t s, will hereafter be well known, and will discharge their duties with propriety. This is no new doctrine. Who are the men now most distinguished as governors of colonies? There may be rare cases—such as that of Sir Charles Met calfe, who, being one of the most heroic and disinterested spirits that ever existed, disregarded all considerations of personal advantage, and proceeded at once to the post which he was invited to fill—in which we have the good fortune to obtain well-known men for colonial governors, but in the majority of instances the reverse is the case. Sir W. Denison has been mentioned to-night as having been appointed Governor of New South Wales. Was he ever known in political life ? No ; he was an able engineer. (Hear, from Sir J. Pakington.) Ido not know what the right hon. gentleman means by that cheer ; but I think I van justified in referring to the case when it is made a charge against the Government that they have appointed a governor of a colony who was totally inexperienced in public affairs. Sir W. Denison is now well known, and has earned his promotion. This is one case, and it repre sents the general rule. If you condemn the appoints ment of Mr. Lawley because he is inexperienced and young, what do you say to the appointment of Lord Elgin ? I refer to Lord Elgin because he is one of the most distinguished and successful among colonial governors, and has recently been engaged in negotiations of a most difficult description, in the management of which he has gained the . highest h onour . W hen he was appointed Lord Elgin was, I believe, of precisely the same age as my hon. friend Mr. Lawley. Now, compare the cases. Mr. Lawley was appointed G overnor of South Australia, with a population of between 40,000 and 50,000 ; Lord Elgin was appointed Governor of Jamaica, in the agonies of its struggles consequent on the Emancipation Act, with a population of between 400,000 and 500,000. Mr. Lawley was appointed after two years of arduous service in the Exchequer and this house ; Lord Elgin was appointed after only six weeks' experience in this house, in the course of which he undoubtedly had the opportunity of proving his ability by a speech he made. (Hear, hear.) But then it must be recollected that the ability of Mr. Lawley is not called in question ; it is only his inexperience in public affairs which is objected to. Take the case of Lord Harris, which has also been referred to. The hon. member who made the reference spoke of his lordship in depreciatory terms, saying that he was an amiable man in infirm health, but totally inexperienced and unknown. Lord Harris was in bad health ; he had gone to the West Indies in the hope of recruiting it. It is true, also, that he was inexperienced in public affairs, but my private knowledge of him convinced me that he was able to serve his country with ability, and therefore I offered him the appointment, which he accepted, and in which ho has covered himself with h onour . Thisis the view of the case which I have felt it my duty to lay before the House in justification not only to the present Govern ment, but all Governments, With respect to the pre sent case, I am bound to say, in justice to the Duke of Newcastle and my right hon. friend the Secretary for the Colonies, that, until within the last 21 hours, I saw no reason to regret having given my testimony that in most respects Mr. Lawley was einieentlyand admirably qualified for the post to which he was appointed. Again, I thank the house for the kind manner in which this case has been dealt with, and I hope that all who hear me share in the opinion, that if Mr. Lawley is chargeable with great im prudence, not the slightest taint of pecuniary corruption or serious error rests upon him. Under these circumstances, I trust that the door of hope will not be barred against him, or his future career in life stopped. (Hear, hear.) May the kindness of the house, evinced in the forbearance and gentleness with which they have approached this question, encourage my hon. friend to attempt to retrieve his error by the studious performance of his duties, so that, at some future period, he may re-establish his cha racter, not only for honour, but judgment. (Hear, hear.) Mr. V. SMITH thought the reduction made in recent years in the salaries of colonial governors was an injudi cious proceeding, but was of opinion that if persons well known and competent, could not be persuaded to proceed from this country to fill the office of Colonial governors, those officers should be selected from among members of the legislative councils in the colonies. Perhaps, too, it would bo worth while to try whether good colonial gover nors could not be o bt a i ne d b y establishing a system of pro motion, and raising governors from small to important colonies. The house then waist into a COMMITTEE OF WAYS AND MEANS. Mr. WILSON moved the following resolutions : " 1. .That toward s ma ki ng good the supply granted to her Majesty, the sum of 500,0001., or part of the sum in the Exchequer of the United Great Kingdomof Britain and and Ireland, or remaining to be raised on the sth of July, 1854, to compl e t e th e a i ds granted by Parliament for the service of the years 1852 and 1853 be applied to the service of the year 1854. "2. .That, toward s ma ki ng good the supply granted to her Majesty, the sum of 2 2,322,7431. Os. 11d. be granted out of the Consolidated Fund. " 3. That, towards making good the supply granted to her Majesty, there be issued and applied to the service of the year 1854 the sum of 149,3421. 15s. ld., being the sur plus of ways and means granted for the service of preced ing years." Mr. HUME understood the noble lord the member for the city of London, when asking the house to grant 3,000,0001. for the prosecution of the war, to have stated that part of the money would be employed in subsidising our allies the Turks. This proved to be a mischievous course when adopted in the last war, and he warned the Government against resorting to it now. Mr. KINNAIRD could not coincide with the hon. member for Montrose, and hoped the Government would adopt what he believed to be a very valuable suggestion— namely, that of employing the natives in a climate ad mitted to be unhealthy, and commanded by British officers. Mr. HUME contended that the return he had moved for would fully substantiate his statements. Lord D. STUART approved of the plan suggested of employing native troops, and instanced the creditable and efficient service which the native troops of India had ren dered in similar circumstances. Ho hoped they were not going to increase their own army largely. If the war was likely to be protracted, he hoped they would employ the I natives of Turkey, believing that the cheapest and most economical way would be to employ native troops in all cases officered by British officers. The house then resumed, and the resolutions were brought up and reported. The Militia (Scotland) Bill was read a third tine and passed. - The house then went into committee on the Public Re venue and Consolidated Fund Charges (No. 2) Bill, Mr. BOUVERIE in the chair. The clauses were agreed to, without observation. On schedule B being proposed, MAYNOOTH GRANT. Mr. SPOONER rose to move the amendment of which he had given notice ; it was not his intention to go into any details on the question of Maynooth. His views were already well known. If they viewed it in any other light. they were only blinding and deceiving themselves. If the Government thought they were right in continuing this grant let them prove their sincerity by bringing it before Parliament annually. The hon. gentleman con cluded by moving that "in case the house shall sanction the principle of removing any charge from the Consolidated Fund now placed upon it by Act of Parliament, to add to schedule B: `the president, vice-president, and students of Maynooth College, and the expenses of the establish ment, enacted by Band 9 Vic. c. 25.' " The CHANCIMLOR of the EXCHEQUER said his hon. friend had promised not to enter into the the ques tion of the Maynooth grant, but he had been rather more liberal than his promise. Mr. SPOONR—OnIy a quarter of an hour. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHAQUER had watched the clock more closely ; and agreeable as his hon. friend always was, his speech had certainly been in this case the length of au ordinary sermon. (A laugh.) In the present case they were merely exercising a reasonable vin dication of the privilege of the house in a case which the House of Lords had altered a financial bill. It was im portant, therefore, that they should send up the new mu sure in the same form as the one that had preceded it. It was important when they discussed the question of whether the grant should be on the Consolidated Fund or on the votes, that they should do it in a manner and under cir cumstances which would show due respect to the feelings of the people of Ireland. There were other grants for re ligious purposes—grants for the Church of England and the Church of Scotland, and he put it to the house whether the Maynooth grant was not at least entitled to their seri ous consideration as a substantive proposition ;. whether it should not be considered on the general principle, and not dealt with by a side blow on a financial measure from which they had carefully excluded everything on which a political question could be raised. For these reasons he hoped the house would summarily reject the motion. (Hear, hear.) The measure was introduced as one of fiscal reform, and as such he hoped the house would pus it. Mr. DISRAELI—I placed on the paper certain amend ments to the bill now under consideration, and it is cer tainly my own fault that I was not present to move them, but it is owing to the marvellous rapidity with which I understand, however, that the business is transacted. I shall have an opportunity of introducing them at an otherti s stage. nmy T h er ort amendments ant th a t w t h h e l e h h ou l se pr s e h p o e u s l e d . opinionl e e m re os t t he imp adopt them, and by so doing they would not, as far as I can learn, interfere with the passing of the bill by the other house. e I have not been an inattentive observer of what n hastakn the last session a Parliament. The motion place in reference to the question in t of hothpre hon.ese t or gentle man was itself made for the second time. I gave a silent vote on a previous occasion, All of that nature. con tinue to give a silent vote on questionshtforward by independent but I am not prepared to these questions were brought members of Parliament sitting on different sides of the nt political opinions. Was it house and holding ' "This question must be sum warily to such questions , wise for a minister of the Crown to got up and say, with re dismissed ; it is August, Parliament will not b e sitting for six months, and we cannot now entert a i n a which has, in a thousand forms, worriedquestion and per plexed us before . I have coma to quite a differ en t con clusion' is before us, I think we are bound f a i r l y to meet to that of the right hon. gentleman. W e ll , as the question it. I do not opinion, want to express any indi v id ua l though I must observe that I opposed the moti on o f Sir R. Peel with regard to the permanent endowment of May nooth. What I want to impress on th e h ouse is, that it cannot be tolerated, with any regard for the public safety, that session after session the important question of the re lations which exist between their Roman Catholic fellow subjects and the Protestant constitution of this country should be left in doubt—that it should remain a question which every member of Parliament, whatever might be hi e political opinions, might raise to excite the public mind, (ffe constitution a h i r . p )o e fr the country look ko t he unnpt ory ;whole two hbno c t course r g silea calledroafn tpetteihbfeloi Protestantre e b i u v s i business. naens and religious liberty, and it i s b ecause I feel convinced that if the Government neglect their duty, if isolated and frag mentary parts of the question, under the se var i ous shapes and aspects, are brought perpetually forward for public dis cussion and Parliamentary debate, the result will be a heavy blow and great discouragement to civil and religious liberty—because I see the danger ahead, and it was because they could not long avoid a course that would lead to such consequence, that I call upon the Government, not in haste and precipitation, not in a hurry, not to tell them iu August what exactly they would do—but I call on the noble lord, in whom on this subject I at least have great confidence—l call on him to come forward and say that, on the part of the administration of this country, he will, at the earliest o pportunity—notwithstanding the smiles and whispers of the Chancellor of the Exchequer—(laughter)— that he will come forward and say, ou the part of the Go vernment, that they will propose measures that will be satisfactory to the public mind. Lord J. RUSSELL—I was certainly somewhat alarmed till we arrived towards the end of the right hon. gentle man's speech, because until h e sa id th a t it was no t aqu?s ques- tion to be c ons id ere d i n th e mon th o f A ugus t, I thought he was proposing that in the mon th o f A ugus t the Govern - meat should introduce a measu re t o d e fi ne the w hole bear ing of the Protestant constitution, and how far the Privi" lege of Roman Catholics was consistent, how far the pay ment of Roman Catholic chaplains might be reconciled with that Protestant constitution —how far, in all respects, the limits of this Protestant constitution should be ex tended, and how far it could be reconciled with the general principle of civil and religions liberty. I, howeve r , cannot promise the right h on . gen tl eman, nor can I hold out a prospect, that so gigantic a task will be undertaken by the Government. I certainly have not had great encourae ment to undertake matters of this kind this session, be. cause with regard to one of them I did propose that we should have equality with regard to the members of this house, that when we came to the table to be sworn, there should not be a distinction as to the religious opinions and persuasions of members, but that they should all take oae civil oath. I found a very great opponent in the right hon, gentleman, and the course taken by the right hort. gentleman has discouraged me, and I must say that I am not disposed to bring in a code beginning with the rights of man and ending with the privileges of each religions community. (Cheers and laughter.) After a few words from Mr. NEWDEGATE, the committee divided— • For the motion Against it lOB Majority --65 add Mr.th DlSRAELlofolfollowing—" si nK— then Provided prop proposed ea also, t that the end of sumso f clause voted s a la ns e forboo the charges an d p aymen t se t f or th i n S c h e d u l e o su f subject, t, ande respects issues,l. IV., ca I t s o , th i e n t p i r t o u ts a ioi? An s of Actthe acttot regulate the Office of the Receipt of the Exchequer at Westminster,' in the same manner as all other sums voted for any specified branch of the public service." The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could not consent to this clause, the effect of which he doubted whether the right hon. gentleman or the person who had drawn it was aware. Mr. HUME suggested that the present regulations should be allowed to remain force until the whole qiestion had been considered. He trusted that their retention, how ever, might only be temporary. Mr. DISRAELI saw no reason why, because it was desirable to have a full and ample inquiry, that he should be supposed to agree in crude measures. (Hear, hear.) It was for the committee to decide whether this sum of 4,000,000/. of new estimates, now brought for the first time under the control of Parliament, should be subjected to the same restrictions (as the rest of the revenue with regard to its issue and appropriation. If the financial re formers were not disposed to support him in this—(a laugh)—he should not press his proposal to a division. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that under the present law all sums granted to the Crown went through the routine of the Exchequer. The clause was negatived without a division. Mr. V. SCULLY proposed an additional clause, which was negatived 'without a division. Mr. DISRRELI then moved the insertion of a clause relating to quarterly warrants, which was eventually with drawn. Mr. DISRAELI then proposed the following clause : In preamble, after " where as ," li ne 1, insert, " it is ex pedient that the gross tevenue of the departments of Cu'. toms, Inland Revenue, and Post-office should be paid into the Exchequer, with the exception of such sums as may be necessary to be retained in order to defray the charges of drawbacks, repayments, pensions, and superannuations heretofore charged upon and paid oat of the said branches of the public revenue, and whereas." The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was bound to take the same course with this as with the right hon. gentleman's previous amendment. Mr. BOYER said the right hon. gentleman had received credit in consequence of the belief that his bill dealt with the Customs, and required that the gross revenue should be paid into the Exchequer. The amendment was then negatived. In reply to Mr. HUME, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER hoped, in reference to the unfortunate case of Mr. Swabey, it was one of the consequences of the system, adopted of late years, of placing charges on the Consolidated Fund, and also of giv ing the supreme control of public money to persons ap pointed for other purposes, such as judges of courts. He thought it would be wise to review the acts under which public money was held, with a view to revision. The bill was then reported to the house. COURT OF CHANCERY. The house then went into committee on the Court of Chancery Bill, and the bill was reported. MEDICAL GRADUATES (IRELAND AND SCOTLAND). The adjourned debate on this bill was moved by Colonel DUNNE, who was glad to hear the subject was to be taken up, but he hoped it would be taken up before next session. Tho bill was withdrawn. CAPITI7LAR AND ECCLESIASTICAL ESTATES. The report of this bill was then considered, and a new clause moved by Mr. E. DENISON. After some further discussion the clause was negatived without a division. A clause prescribing the rate at which the expectation of life was to be calculated was then agreed to ; and the bill, haring passed through committee, was reported, and was ordered to stand for a third reading. THE CUSTOMS ACT. The house th en resolved itself into a committee on the Customs Act. The resolution relative to the duty on hops having been put, ___ Air. FREWEN asked what was the ground on which the alteration of the duty on foreign hops was proposed ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied that there was great reason to anticipate a scarcity of hops dur ing the coming year, and in consequence of that anticipa tion, the Government, following the usual practice in such cases, recommended that there should be a temporary re mission of the duty on foreign hops. Mr. FREWEN moved that " hops" be left out of the list, unless the Government would agree to reduce the excise duty on British hops to four-ninths of the present amount. Mr. BASS should be surprised to hear any gentleman representing barley-growing districts opposing this propo sition. Mr. FREWEN—I wish to put a question to the hon. member for Derby. Has he not within the last twelve days been making bets that the duty would amount to more than 150,0001.? Mr. BASS —Certainly not. (A laugh.) The committee then divided on Mr. Frewen's propeal• tion— Ayes Noes Majorit, • 2l 61 y against —4O The resolution was then agreed to, and ordered to be reported ; and The house resumed. MERCHANT SHIPPING BILL. The Lords' amendments to this bill were considered and agreed to, which the exception of clause C, which was agreed to. TOWNS IMPROVEMENT (IRELAND) BILL. The Lords' amendments were considered and agreed to. The house adjourned at two o'clock. PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION& HOUSE OF LORDS.—AuG. 3. •THE BRIBERY BILL. Majority in favour of the second reading of the Bribery Bill : Lord Chancellor EARLS. BARONS. Craven Brougham DUKES. Effingham Byron A rgyll For tescue Campbell Newcastle Granville Csanoys Wellington Harrington Foley Scarborough Leigh MARQUISES. Somers Monteagle Lansdowne Overstone Ormonde VISCOUNTS. Rivers Westminster Bolingbroke Stanley of Alderley Canning Sudeley EARLS. Syd ney Suffield Aberdeen Torrington Stafford Albemarle Seaton Bessbor o n g h Say and Selo Chichester Wodehouse Clarendon BISHOPS. Down Salisbury HOUSE OF COMMONS—Ana. 3. PUBLIC REVENUE AND CONSOLIDATED FUND CHARGES (No. 2) BILL. Schedule B.—Proposed to add the words "The Presi• dent, Vice President, and students of Miyaooth College, and the expenses of the establishment, enacted by 8 and c. 25." Question put, "That, these words be there added." The committee divided—AYes 43, Noes 108. - - - - AYES-43. Adderley, C. Hildyard, R. C. Palk, L. Baldock. E. Hotham, Lord Pollatt, A. Beresford, Rt. Hn. W. Hume, W • Robertson, P. Blair. Col. J. H. Jolliffe, Sir W. Rnshout, Capt. G. Burrell, Sir C. M. Jones, D. Sandara, G. Cairns, H. Kendall, N. Smith, W. Challis, T. Kinnaird, A. Srniih, Abel Chandos, Marquis of M acartney, G. Thesiger, Slr. F. Clinton, Lord MacGregor Jas. Thompson, G. codrington, Sir C. W. Mandeville, Viscount Walpole, B. Craufurd, E. H. J. Michell, W. Yorke, F. Disraeli, Rt. ilou. B. Montgomery, Sir G. Duncan, G. Mowbray, J. Frewen C. Mulling's, J. Gardner, R. North, Col. J. Spooner, 11. Hamilton, G. A. P a ki ngton, Sir J. Neverlegate, C. TILLSES. ---- NOES-1(18. A lcock, T. Gordon, AA. Palmer, Roundel! Baine3, Rt. Hon. M. Goulburn, R. Palmerston, Viscount Bail, J. Graham, Sir J. Pechell, Sir G. Renew, T. Greene, Capt. John Peel, .41r R. Berkeley. G. Grenfell, Charles Peel, F. Bethel], Sir R. Grey, Rt. Hon. Sir G. Perry, Sir T. Biggs, W. Grey, R. Philipps, J. Bowyer. G. Harikey, T. Phill•more, R. J. Brockman, E. D. Herbert, S. Price W. Brotherton, J. Hervey, Lord A. Ricardo, 0. Bruce. Lord E Heywood, J. Richardson, J. Cardwell. E. Higgins, G. 0. Rum bold, C. Castkrosse, Vis. liume, J. Russell, Lord J. Cayley, E. S. liutt, W. Russell, F. C. Chaplin, W. Ingham, R. Russell.F, W. Cobbett, J. 3t. Keating, R. Sadleir, James Cobden, R. Kennedy, T. Scully, F. Cogan, W. H. F. Lasiett, W. Scully. V Cowper, W. Layard, A. H. ' Seymour, Lord Cubist, W. Lindsay, W Shelburne, Earl Devereux, J. T. Locke, J. Smith, J. A. Drundanrig, Via. Loveden, P. Smith, IL Dunne, Col. F. Lowe, It. Stuart, Lord D. Elcho, lord Lucas, F. Thornely, T Esmonde, J. 31`Can n , J. J waimaley, gfr. Feilden, M. Megan, W. H. Whitbread, g• Ferguson, Lt.-Col. Ita..(uire, J. F. Wilkinson , W . • Fitzroy, lion. H. Massey, W. willoos., B. s. W. Forster, C. Mitchell, T. William J Forster J. Fortesctie. C. 3 31 1 u °° r lne r se2 o: li gh rWt . h :ll Sir W. I%lVlWv,y"°°'lll7idl.nit:SlaMin'r..CW. W . Fox, R. (leach, C Norreys, Sir D. Gladstone, W. North, F young, Sir J. TELL Glyn, (I. O'Connell, D. r. W , . ES!' , Goderich, Viscount Osborne, It. Ilayte Otway, A. - Goor]man, Sir G. Muigraye Earl of ADVANTAGE OF WEEDING.-1. Seven acres of light gravelly land were fallowed and sown broadcast : one 1 acre was measured, and not a weed was pulled out of it ; the other six were carefully weeded. The un ueesdehidneel s d ; d o .. c a r e n d T w h as i S s i lw b w e acres averwted 224 bushels per acre—a gain of 25 per cent. " 2. A six-acre field was sown with barley weeded acre producewadnelluiBn:bnueaesndhueedrles owing to a great abundance of cliallock, cost 12s. p g er , w o a in f c i t r t h e b .fi e o n a w eT tg e:e te d o il e p id hr e ; a d 2 c u B a r en e b ed , u shels—di ff e r e n c a in favour of weed ing, 15 bushels per acre, besides the land being so much cleaner for the succeovefdloinugocerdop. least 10 bushels may be attributed but 3 o . ac O e f an six du ac nm re a s n i Zed wa , eight to the ma nure.—iournai of acre. Of this increase, at produced only 18 bushels _ ributect to the weeding and England Society. the Bath and West of ~..