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_.ARMAMENT. The SPEAKER then said he had to acquaint the House. that James Johnson, who had presented a petition complaining of an undue election for the boroughs of Stir'ing had not entered into his recognizances. The ord,r of the day or taking the petition into con sideration was accordingly discharged. CLONMEL ELECTION. Mr. O'CONNELL rose to call the attention of the Howse to Mr. Ronayne's petition, for time to enter into rectgnizances on the Clonmel election. With out the eteatest inconvenience, arising from the time when the assizes wet, held in that town it would be im possil.le to call together the witnesses: He did not itnti cipate any opposition to the petition, especially as the agent of the sitting Member had been furnished with a copy of it. He. therefore, moved that the ord. rof the day for appointing the ballot on this election for the 21st of March, be discharged, for the purpose of p..stponing it. Colonel PERCEVAL did tint rise for the purpose of opposing the motion, but only for the purpose of request.. in?. that an early day ;fter the sec ss might he fixed for taking the matter into consid ration, in consequence of the expenses that would he incurred. The order of the di was then discharged, and ap pointed for reconsideration on the 16th May. WISH PETITIONS. Mr. GOULBURN wished to a-k the Noble Lord oprosite a question, which was connected with the convenience of the House. On a former occasion it was certainly understood that this day, at least the early p , :rt of it, was to he exclusively devoted to the pre tentation of petitions, with respect to the Bill for pre venting disturbance. in It elind. He (Mr. Goulburn) un. derstond that the presentation of petitions on that suti ject had not been concluded on that II .y. He wished tberefrre to know whether Monday would be fixed to proceed with the presentation of those petitions, or whe ther it would be an open day. Mr. O'CONNELL wished to state, that there were an immense number of petitions on the subject yet to he pr,- sented—far more in number than the House had hitherto - - received. Lord ALTHORP observed, that the proposition he intended to submit to the House was this, that in case the - eebare on the s-cond reading of the Bill he concluded that evenine, then the House should sit to-morrow, to receive petitions. But in case the debate on the second re iding should no- be concluded, the House slinuA sit to-morrim morning for the purpose of continuing the debate, awl, in that case, be should sueeest that on Monday the same un derstanding shoritd take place as existed to-day, that no petition should be printed except those that had reference to the Irish Bill. NORWICH ELECTION. Lord STORNIONT said he could not avoid address ing the House On the subject of a petition that had been pre , ented a f w days ago, against the return ter Norwich. The petitioners in 'hat petition, .fated, flat many acts of bribery hail been com niitted, anti prayed the House to direct a Coniniission to examine wi'ne-iies to ascertain these tiers. Ile (Lott! Fttirment) could net but observe, th,t th- R Hon. ikletnht r presenting that petition had nor given hitt, any notice of hi. intention to do so. He attributed that neglect to the Hen. Gentleman being a youn: Mea her, and rot acquainird with the practice in that reap et. It Was true that Le (Lord Stormont) was aware that such a petition was in the el/Ur9F of signature, but be considered it of so ale urd a nature that no Hon. Mend), would he found to present ir. A-; however, the Hon. Gentletnan had un dertaken that , a-k, nil as I e had pre.ented the petition to the House at a time, in consequence of having no notice, when those against whom it contained calumnies, lad no ' opportunity of refuting them, he had thought it right thus fat to bring the matter before the attention of the RM'. When, however, the petition was brought under conside ration, he entertained no doubt that he should be enabled to refute all the calumnies which it contained. Mr. GIIOTE could assure the Noble Lord that his not haviav given him notice, hail arisen from pure omission. In future, however, he would take care to be more careful on that point. GRAND JURIES (IRELAND) BILL. Lord ALTHORP m ved tLe order of the day for the aecond reading of the Diatuibances (Ireland) Suppression Bill. On the question being put, Mr. STANLEY rose, and sa i d b e hoped that no ob jection would be made to permit the Grand Juries (Ireland) 8,11 to be read a second time without discussion, in order that it might h- forwarded a stage, and be fully discussed hereafter. The second reading could be done at once before the other MI carne on for the secono4 reading, and he si ould propnwe to refer it to a Select Committee, Mr. O'CONNELL thought that the course suggested by the Right Hon. Gentleman with _regard to a BM of that kind was the best that could be adopted. Every Member was agreed in one point that the Irish Grand Jury Laws required amendment, arid the proper course to be pursued would be, to discu ss ti n Committee. He was, however, of opinion that the BM, . %he l p o d as it was at present prepared, would not effect all objects that were int e nd e d, and that it would quire coral derable alteration to mike it an efficient measure. LALOR uri,eJ upon the Right Hun. Chu hmin k USE OP L ()PDS. IMlacn S. Ot the Loan CHANCE! LOR taking his seat' ;it h &dna several private Bills were brought up by Mr. Woe A and other Members. 'Lord KING presented a petition from the parish of St. I‘7.ary's, in the Strand, for the repeal of the ht.ustand dow taxes. It was f a r fro m b e i ng th e w i s h o f t h e ptitiot-ri to embarrass the , Government, but they thought that by 4 proper reduction of expetAlce i .the repeal of thoSt 2 tat-O; which bore heavily up o n . the 464 :kW; tntlit Lif f 4 T effected. The Duke of RICHMOND presenterlupetitioni frn'in Horsham, Sussex, and other t laces in that coutiry, and in the abs-nce of the Duke of D e von.hire, from la parish in Fife, for t 1 e better oh•ervance of the Sabbath. , Lord TEMPLEMORE presented a petition from a pariah in the county of Southampton to the same effect. L Ord BEXLEY presented a petition from the parish of St. Mary, Newinvon. als , , to the like effect. The Earl of ALBEMARLE presented a petition from Stony Stratford, praying for the immediate abolition of elavery. A RIGHT REV. PRELATE presented petitions from Bat tersea and Ewell, Surrey, praying for the better observance of the Lord's Day. The E-irl of ROSEBERY presented petitions from the Poliric.l Union of the t wn of Kilkenny, praying for tl P revetl of the .Union. Alan various other petieons from different parts of Ireland against the Coercive Bill, for the abolition of tithes, and for the vote by bal'or. The Bi.hnp of LONDON presented a petition from Rushmere, Suffolk, praying for the immediate abolition of slavery, and likewise for the better observance of the Sabbath. Alan petitions praying for the better obser v nce of the Sabbath from St. Mary -at-Hill, signed by all the inhabitant houveholders except two ; from a meeting-house in Hackney ; from Walthamstow. E. , ex from o , e minister and congregation of the E i.copal Chapel, Poplar; from Mill-street Chapel. Perth ; and va rious other pl The Earl'of RODEN give notice that on Tuesday next he rhnnhi present a petition respecting the plan of national education in Irelind 1 3 .-tititina were presenter], praying for the better obser vance of the Sabbath, by Lord LILFORD, Ear! Gary, and two BishnpA Elul GREY presented a petition from a parish in Ire land, prayieg for an inquiry into the state of Ireland. be. fore the Coercive Bill was passed into a law. The Noble Earl said he presented the petition as it had ken sent to hiul, hut it w. , s needless for ! im to say that he did not aeree with the prayer of the petition. The House then adjourne 1. ROUSE OF COMMONS, MARCH 8. The SPEAKER took e Chair at five o'cl.ick. Mr. Parkinson brought up accounts of the state of the Suitors' Fund in the Court of Ch neerv. - OXFOP D CITY ELECTION. Sir THOS FREMANTLE brought up the report cf the Select Committee appointed to inquire into the validity of the return for the city of Oxford, and stated that they had found that the election of J. Stonor, Esq., was null and void. The petition of Hugh Hughes, , was declared not to be f•ivolous and vexatious. A new xrit was then moved for the city of Oxford, in the room of T. Stormy., Esq. REPRESENTATION OF THE BOROUGH OF MARYLERONE. Lord EBRINGTON moved for a n w writ to issue for the borough of Alaryh-bone, in the room of E. B. Porman, Esq The Noble Lord state d, that the House would heir with regret, that the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Portman) 1.1. d felt himself compelled to fake this step. as in consequ, n,.e of his ill health he did not feel himself equal to the fatigues of the House.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. GILLON moved for a return of the sources of stipend to the Minister of North Leith. The Hon. Gentleman move I for other returns, but the low tone in 'dirt) he spoke, and the noise in the House occa sioned by the entrance of Members, prevented him from being distinctly heird. STIRLING BOROUGHS ELECTION. the necessity of appointing on the Select Committee such Members As were acquainted wimh the circumstances attending the present Grand Jury Laws of Ireland, and wiwi were likely to understand the nature of any sug gestions that might be made. Mr. SHAW thought the proposition of the Right Hon. Gentleman a very convenient one, but while he. and many other Members, felt obliged to that Rig h t Hon. Gentleman for the pains he had taken, - tin the subject. many persons, better acquainted with the Grand Jury Laws than himself, had very serious objections - to some parts of the Bill. He (Mr. Shaw) begged that it would be un derstood, that, while he and others off-red no objec tion; to the second reading, they did not consider thati they were temunil to - offer no opposition to the Bill. Arter a few words from Mr. ROCHE, which were in aumliiale in the gallery, the Grand Juries (Ireland) Bill was read a second time. Mr. STANLEY, in moving that the Bill he referred to a Select Committee, stated that he had placed on that Committee genmleinen indiscriminately from all parts of Ireland an I of all parties, for he could assure the House that his Majesty's Gevetnment had a sincere desire t.' ob tain information from all qUerters.—Tlae Select Com mittee was,then appointed. SECOND READING OF THE IRISH COERCIVE BILL. Mr. HUAIE, on the order of the thy being moved for the ',wood reading of the Irish Coercive Bill, rose and addressed the House. He was anxious to take the fist oopnrtunity of addressing the Meuse upon this important Bill ; and never did he rise with treater regret, or with more pale, in that House; regret, that he bed been cel'ed upon to oppose his Majesty's Minister., with whom he had been so lone acting—( Hear. bear, and laushter)— and pain on finding them forget all the prineiples which they hail been acting upon for twenty five yeas, and bringing forward a measure which no set of Mini sters on the opposite side of the House would ever have ventured, or dared to bring into that House.—(Hear, hear.) No mea ure Lad ever been brought in to attempt suet' a breach in the Constitution of this cauntryae thi. Bill. No Bill by so erest anti so universal a sweep had ever at tempted to deprive a large part of the country of its c.o. .titutional rights as this Bill had dime.—( Hear, hear.) It was on that ground he adelre...d the }l , -1.341., because he feared the cons, quences likely to arse from per severing with this Bill would he as injurems to those who hid promoted it, as it would be detrimental to the hest intereete of the country —(Hear, hear.) It appeared to him that the House had been ve , y liutitetl in the view hitherto taken of this important Bill, and whilst he stated candidly that no man could be more willing than himself to concur in gevinse his Majesty's Minist e r s all nec e ssary p owers t o p ut ' down disturbers, and those who defied the laws in Ire land, he thmight, before this was done, those who came forward to ask for any such addition ml powers ought to make out a case, showing that the ordi nary law was not sufficient, and that the extraordinary powers were requisite.—(Hear, bear.) On the first night of the session, he could not restrain himself flow expressing his regret at the language used in his lAlaje sty's speech—language which, instead ref being con ciliating, and holding not a prospect of remedy, was of a coercive nature—the old hackneyed phrase which had been used towards that country :or years and years past, and which, in his opinion, had brought Ireland into its present state of distress.—(Cheers.) if his feelings and his language bed been singular, he should perhaps have doubted the correctrese of his own judgment; but ss lien he looked back, and found that the policy of every body who bad been advocating liberty and re dress of the grievances of Ireland was directly opposed to this course of proceeding, he could not suppose his judgment was erroneous. If Ministers could have made out that no grievances existed in Ireland—if they could have contended that the people of that country were riotous and lawless without a ground, then it would be easy to say that he, and every man in that House, consi dering that this country never could be prosperous while so large a portion—no less than eight millions—of his Majesty's subjects were in a disturbed and distracted state—that he ought to concur in any measure cal culated to repress those disturbances.— (Hear, hear.) But was there to be no comfort afforded to the Irish ? What had been the language of his Majesty's Ministers? What had they avowed one after another, not this session but last session, with regard to tl e condition of the people of Ireland ? Had the Right Hr n. Secretary, in bringing in a measure, afforded additional powers in the collection of tithes, not stated that serious grievances existed, ley which the inhabitants of Ireland were suhject, amongst other things, to pinseeutions of the most aggravated nature, for even the trifling sums of 3d. and 411. ?—t Hear, hear.) When those things were admitted last session, it tees stated that means would he taken to correct the grievances which prevailed throughout the country, but no such Measures had yet been brought forward, and carried into operation. When a measure was brought forwat din the eullectiern of tithes, dispensing -with time ordinary forms of few, no doubt those who were then in the House, would recollect what the statement's were which were made by the Right Hon. Secretary and the Nohle Lord. He (Mr. Fl.) cool I never forget the plain and candid statement of the N-hle Lord when it was proposed to evablish an unusual measure for the recovery of tithes. He said he admitted it was deviating from tire law—he said it was an extraordinety measure, and mi ne which nothing would sanction but the extreme exigency of the times, and the fact that there would be an ample redress m ode up by riffording gre:at and substantial relief to time people of Ireland.—(Hear, heir.) Was it the way to aff me,' that great and substantial relief, for his Majesty's Ministers to make his Mmj sty himself the Tithe Proctor General of Ireland? These who ob jected to take from the tithe payer the protection which courts of law afforded, were induced to foreeo their oppo .itien to the measure, by the full declaration so can didly made by the Noble Lord, that he would bring forward those measures of relief which were stated would be calculated to give satisfaction to the distressed people of that country.---( Hear, bear.) It was well known that in July last Ire l and was in a greater state of tranquillity than for a considerable period previously. He (Mr. Hume) had, within a few hours, conversed with an Hon. Baronet, a Meniber of that House win assured him that the peaceful state of Ireland at the period mentioned was well known to Ministers ; for that Hon. Baronet had written to them after his arrival in Ireland, last August, and stated to them that the country was never known to he more tranquil.—(Hear, hear.) Whitt was tie answer given to those Honourable Members, who in the last session had opposed the passing of a measure which turned his Majesty's Ministers into riche-proetore ; hut that there was a necessity that it Arndt' be passed whilst the country was in a state of profound peace ?—(Hear.) Major George Brown, of the Kilkenny police, had declared in evidence that, up to that period, the intree'uction of the Ministerial tithe measure, Kilkenny had been in so quiet a state that a sinele policemen was competent to time performance of any ordinary duty in any part of time county. He had declared ala, that a single policeman could execute a warrant without fear of the slightest nomlesoatien.— (Pear, hear.) And that, in tong eases I e (Msj 'r Brower) prefermed eending one polivetnan to employing four or five to do any common duty. He entreated the House to look to these facts; and he thought the House (slight to he put in pee& ssien of the causes which led to the chanue in Ireland frem tran quillity to outrage .—( Hear, hear.) An Hon. Member had read ti e areireesee of Judges and Magistrate s for tive or six succeeding Assmze., and each of !hes. bore witness to time st ate of tranquillity existing in KA kenny up to the time mensioned. And even the subse• quint outrages in Kilkenny sine, did not warren time paeeirm e or time proposed atrocious Bill. —( le r, hear, hear.) For three years Major Brown- said that the• country had he.-n tranquil, and it was only now al leged to he disturbed by the outrages of the Whirefee t. They were ti Id that the White eat had acquired such a power that there was no seem ity for lite or property. For the sake of time al gument, he would adroit that disturbances and outrage existed to a consider able extent. But who was it that had produced these outrages? Who was it that had effected the change they all deplored ? He said that the Right Hen. Gentleman, the Secretary for Ireland, was time cause of all these overages; and what was more, he was told last year, before t e Bi 1 passed, that such would be its m fleet if persevered in. He begged to remind Hon. Gentlemen that u hen the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin was accused of being an agitator, he (Mr. Hume) Lad said, that it was tl e Right Hon. Gentleman who was the agitator, fur that it as as he who inflicted injustice on te e pm ople of Ireland, anti was the cause of the outrages of which they complained. He did riot mean to say teat it was not truly stated that Ireland held been disturbed for ages. It was true, but Ireland had been op pressed for ages, and be had hoped after the great change which took place last year that oppression would have ceased, and the long tide; red hopes of the Irish people been fulfilled. Indeed the people both of England and Ire land were told by the Right Hon. Secretary opposite last year, that he came to give them a boon, and proclaimed the intention of his Majesty's Ministers to extinguish tithes for ever. Such was the language used in this /louse; but " hope deferred m eketh the heart sick," arid the people of Leland, having long wanted this relief—hay ing long wanted the fuifiltnent of the promises made to them ? naturally became unpatitnt, and broke out into out- rages. He did, not mean to say that all the outrages motion that now existed bad ceased. Frosts whom which bad recently taken place in Ireland bad tithes for had the evidence adduced been received, he would their immediate cause, but undoubtedly it was to tithes all ask ? From individuals of respectability, of in the present evils of that country might eventually be traced. fluenee or of rank, or from anony roue employhs? An Was it surprising that the Right Hon. Gentleman should attack of this nature upon any portion of a state was an have succeeded, ac ti ng un d er th e l aw passed last session, attack upon the whole, and he had always contended for in osterturning the tranquillity which had been enjoyed equality of law both in England and Ireland. He would for nearly three years? He had himself given a reluctant ask if the civil instituti o n s of a community of 22 millions consent to the Bill of last session, but it was on a pledge of people, should be in any way attacked by the taking of relief which had been now forfeited. He asked the away of the liberties of 8 milions? Well might it be House to griai/ith him to the source of the present dis- said that if this Bill Were passed into a law, it would take orders, for bp th oug ht h e a h au ht b e a bl e to demonstrate away from the Irish people all reliance upon a British they originated in the Right Hon. Gent. Ifsn, they ought to Parliament—it would destroy all sympathy between the Dots a Bill to Dreven. that Ri g ht H on . Gentleman having two countries, and become the most desperate advocacy the power of inter meddli ng i n th e a ff a ir s of Ireland, in- for repeal.—(Hear, hear.) He said so with the more stead of passing a Bill to put down the outrages which confidenc e , be c a use h e had always opposed the opinion of originated in his conduct. Th e y. o u g ht to advise his the Hon. and Learned Member far Dublin.—(Hear.) Majesty to remov e a c o u nc ill or w h ose ev il advice had cast He considered that the interests of the two countries the peaceable county of Kilkenny f r om a comparatively should be identified. He had said that a poor country comfortable state into one of the greatest distriction. was alw a y s benefitt e d by its connection with a richer one, Which was better, that they should see the Right Hon. and he had instanced Scotland as being so benefitted by Gentleman removed from his seat, or have a military her connecti on with England, and he knew not why Ire despotism established in Ireland ? That Right Hon. land should he mad e to suffer by her connection with Eng- Gentleman had led the people of Ireland to believe that land. The Union of England and Ireland could only be this odious impost would be r emove d ; but instead of cemented by equal laws and equal justice, by remedying that, thousands, aye, even tens of thousands of arres's and evils, and not by inflicting injuries. And what actions, supported by squadrons of cavalry, battalions of were they call e d upon to do? To punish a whole nation infantry, and parks of artillery, swept away the to support a single abuse. Had not Scotland successfully property of whole parishes for the arrears of tithes resisted the impoeiti o ns of the Established Church of Eng- He would only say that this Bill was more than human land, and if it wer e now attempted to be forced upon her, nature could bear. lt wart virtue to resist.—(Heart heat.) would she not, to use the words of the Right Hon. Secre- No doubt it was th e d ut y o f every f ree m a n to obey the tary, ct resist it to the death ?" Would she not hod hack laws NO long as they were properly administer da and her aggressors front ti e borders ?—( Hear. hear.) And imposed with a due regard to the Constitution of the wer e the Irish people l e as courageous ? But they were country ; hut when the steel was forced into the kept down by an overpowering military force. He called soul, then it was the right and duty of every man on the Seetch and English Members to say whether, if they who bore the name of freeman to resist the oepree- would not admit o f any vi.denee bring done to their reli• sion. Was it not perfectly notorious that for the gious prejudices, they would now support a Bill which arrears of aft w shilings of tithes, the cow- the pig, was intended to manacle Ireland, by attempting to force wh ch wer e worth fifty ti mes th e amount of tithes due by upon her a Church Establishment, which Scotland had the poor man, were driven awry and sold tor a merely rejected ? He thought that it was too much to be ca•led nominal pric..; and th ee , out o f m e h ngs of wantoneess, upon to lend the power of England —to lend the power of they were destroyed ?—(Cri sof " N no.") A statement Scotland—t o support so expensive a measure as this, it being had been made in that House of a sack of hay havin g the first measure, too, of a R formed Parliament. The been seized, sold for a few shillings, an d, to satisfy the peopl e would hear in a week or two, when they came to malign .nt fr. Zings of . those who had seiz.id it, the stark ask for a reduction of taxes, thet.not one shilling could Was set en fire and destroyed —th a t statement had been the Ministers spare.—(Hear, hear.)—He really believed matte in that House, 'lnd remained uneontrarbeited; theta fore in his' con:mistim e that this Bill was brim- ht in he had a right to take it as a fact. Was it not well to support the Church, to put down Daniel O'Connell, known to the Ft use that pigs, cows, geese, had been and to keep up the standing regiments.—(Loud cheers.) s en t to th e barracks for protection, havin g been violently There hait been an instance of a proceeding of this de se eel or that odi us impost—tithes; and all this to sup scription. In the year 1793, when the people wete ex port ti e darrng 9 soon Of the Right Hen. Gentleman— tremely anxious to have public relief, what d d the wily to m 1 on. a rstrc Chinch, and its odious accompani Minister of ti e day then do? When he found he could nient, the atrocious aystefn of tithes? Sorry was he to see the not resist the appeals in 'de to Parliament any longer, he Noble Cis ineeller of the Exchequer, whom be knew to he one changed the policy, engaged in a foreign war; then the of the most honest and candid of men,—grieved was he people mold no longer expect to continue their claims for to see him draped at the chariot wheels of the Right Hon. a reduction of taxation. The taxation was not more at Secretary fur Iret aid, as a sacrifice to his atnnitien. That that time than 16,0001. a year, still that sum was felt as he who had been the friend of the pe:Or—who had been great grievance, and the people were very anxious to ob the profector of his Majesty's auljects, should be now tarn relief; but by the contrivance of the Minister the dragged along and obliged to give his reluctant consent to public eye had been directed in another way ; the time a measure of this sort, was most melancitely. Her elieved went by, and no relief was granted. He then asked the That the outrage. in Kilkenny began because of the seizure House to pause, and not go further in such a course with of the effects belonging ro a Catholic clergyman for tithes. nut evidence being laid before them. He conjured Mem- How miserably had those been disappointed, who, havi ng bets to listen to justice, and attempt, though at a late first opposed this measure, determined to giant the ex- our, to legislate in that spirit for that unfortunate country. traordin my powers—not to the Right Hon. Gentleman, the He fully believed it could not be a matter of pleasure for Secretary for Ireland, the House would never have in- thos e tn en tus introduce such an atrocious measure as this trusted him with them—hut to the Noble Lord, and to —.those men on whom the public eye had been for five the Noble Earl in the other House. How miserably had and twenty years —now to find petitions pouring in from they misplaced their confidence ! Was it, therefore, too every part of the country against the measure they had much, when he pointed out the peaceable and quiet state now introduced. There was no evidence before the of Kilkenny until th e Right Hon. Gent. commenced his House that it was at all necessary—there was no evidence operations, and when he (elr. H.) pointed out the causes that the law, as it now stood, was not strong enough to that bad produced the existing disturbances—was it too put down the disturbances which now prevailed. He much to call upon he House to pause before it granted called upon Members, and even Ministers, not to be led such extraordinary, such uncenstitutional measures, which away by the individual statement of Houston's case ; for, would take away from the people of Ireland all the pro- though it could not be justified, still there were palliating tection of civil institutions? It was not possible for any circumstances; for it was proved by the Committee that man who looked at what bad taken place in Ireland he bed very frequently stizeil for tithes which had before under the Tithe Collection Bill, not to concur with been paid. He was as willing as any man to give extraor him (Mr. Hume) in opinion that that had been the Binary assistance to the law, to put down outrages ; but a grand exciting cause of existing disturbance,• and that case, and a strong one, should be made out, before he could no measures could be attempted, introduced, or earl ied consent to grant such extraordinary powers to a single in through which would produce permanent peace and eats- dividual. Remove the Hon. Secretary, and then the blish content and tranquillity, unless they remov e d the Government might have what powers they pleased. He cause which had led to them. He asked, therefore, him- (ihe Right Hon. Secretary) was certainly the most unpo_ self, arid lie hoped other Hon. Members would ask them- polar man in the three kingdoms. He had himself pre selves, what evidence had they that Leland, either p a r- stinted ten petitions, expressing the want of confidence the tially or fully, was phweil in a situation in which the laws people haul in that Minister.—(A !nigh.) He recollected established in that country were unable to maintain that when petitions came in for Reform they were held to peace and repress disturbances. He wished to express express the sense of the people.—(Hear, hear.) And so what he had often expressed, that the happiness and did the petitions now presented. No one could have peace of Ireland, and the prosperity of this country, were thought, before this Bill was brought in, that Ministers so linked and tied together, that the latter could net be could have supported the principles on which this Bill maintained until the tumor were established in Ireland. rested. The Hon. Member next adverted to the Grand He therefore did not consider this an Irish question Jury Bill, which in a firmer Parliament, was introduced merely ; it was substantially an English question. He by the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, and complained weil remembered the memorable speech :mal e by his Grac e that any one should be described as possessing the confi the Duk e of Wellington, when taunted with having con- dence of the House who had established so little title to ceded tt,e Catholic claims. He (the Noble Duke) then that confidence, especially in the matter to which lie was said, ti-at he would ratter concede any thing, than risk then. referring. He had promised the country that Bill, one dsy's civil war in that country.—(Hear.) One but he had not performed that promise. His word upon day's civil war !" He ventured to state, th a t the semi- that so jest was not to be taken—he was a bankrupt upon ment thus uttered by that Nubile Duke at that time the Reyal Exchange of politics. He concluded by moving, placed him hi g h in the good opinion of the thinking as an amendment, " Teat while the House deeply la people of the country.—( Hear, hear.) The Noble mented the exist e nce of disturbances in some distriet• of Duke, a man, above all others, to whom warfare Ireland, they were of opinion that it had not been Retie was invested, but with little terror, notwithstanding factorily shown that the existing laws were insufficient for die brilliant success which had established his midi- the purpose of putting an end to them, and that therefore tary efforts, judging as a statesman, speaking as a minister, the House could not consent to a Bill which platted Ireland hail declared to the country, anxious; to know his opinions, out Of the pale of the British Consti , ution." th it he would concede the Catholic claims, his opinion Mr. Alderman WOOD seconded the amendment, oh still continuing against it, rather than risk one day's serving that the Magistracy and the landlords of Its land civil war.—(ll. am bear, hear.) If the Noble Duke were to blame for much of the evil that had arisen. The did se, would it have been any disparaeement Hun. Member then dwelt upon the course of conduct to the present Ministers to have learnt that iessen of his which, in his opinion, the Irish landlords ought to pursue Grace, whatever other lessons they might not he desirous of towards their ten ints, instancing the paternal treatment learning? Ministers, however, had followed another course. which the tenants of the Merchant Tailors' Company ex- Among other evidence he found that Major Brown lied perienced, and held up the conduct of that body as an said, he considered th e present laws were sufficient to put example for all Irish landlords. As to the Bill, he could down any disturbances. He, therefore, asked the House never bring his mind to consent to any such thing as whether it was proper—was it just to the people court-inertial. He bad sat in seven Parliaments—he had of Lel lad, when they had been excited to commit never yet given a vote against the people, and he never disturbanc e s, to call for such a measure as the pre should. sent ? Could any thinking man place confidence in Mr. TANCRED said the statements made to the House the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Stanley), and concede to were suffic;ent to satisfy him that these bones by which hirn such enormous powers ? Nothing had b ee n shown to society was held together were upon the point of being him (Mr. Home;—nothing lied been proved to the House dissolved in Ireland. Before he proceeded to consider the that the !awe, as they at present stood, were not quite spirit of the Haheas Corpus Act, he would remark, that sufficient to suppress all disturbances. Mitch of the as there was no security provided for a great portion of atemenis which had been made were partial state- the Irish people, as long as they were left unilefenceless meats, particularly selected to suit the purposes of the and a prey to remote less veneeance, he would advocate H ght Hon. Gentleman.—(Hear, hear.) What was interference in their favour. That feeling done be consi the evidenet lief re the House that could warrant tiered sufficient gr ounds why he should vote for the second them in sweeping away the whme of the civil institutions reading of the Bill then before the House. Ti, the che er Ire. Intl ? He remembered when Min stern breugist in meter of the •ew n millions of people who formed the aRI 1 appointing resident Lords Lieut. nenr—a Bill which population of Ireland might be traced the root of all the he highly approved of, but he reeretted that it was evil, complained of. Let that population be considered— opposed by some of the Irish Members. Th it Bel let its epiritu Il teachers, of each and every sect, be fueled dial not embrace any new point ; hit the Noble Lord into, and it would be seen that the universal priesthood of (Altherp) would recollect that he hail brought the seine Ireland permitted the people of that country to grow up subject forward seine years ago. When, however, th e in the completest ignorance, and to give themselves up to Bill was introduced, he hailed it as a measure teat w, s every passion and crime. This was so incontestibly the key to produce a true statement of facts, unai guised by truth, that what most distinguished the Irish people from the colouriog of p arty which gen• rally accompanied all iith• r nations ws, their being more swift to shed blood stetements sent through the Cabinet of Dublin. He Was than any of Gait's creatures. He begged leave to differ modem, that ail Redfern, nts should reach the head Gov,rn• from those Hon. Gentlemen who relied so much upon the 'tient illicit wii bout suing through the Government at Dub- evii'ence of S•r Huss. y Vivian, who, in th it evidence, lio. The House mete then told, ihat by that measure they stated that the evils of I- eland arose from political taus-s. wool have authentic statements of what occurred in each By tee great bulk of the volume (" Report from the Se. county in Ireland, and that they creed riot, in future, b e lest Cenitnittee on the State of Irelind"), the evidi rice or ceived, its they haul often been. Much of the miss•ate Sir Hussey V,vian wa- disproved. As another proof went that had been made in that House, hail arisen that the cause of the state in which the Irish new were from •a want of knowing the real stat e o r I re l an d was trot a political one, he minkd read a short list of the (Hear, hear, hear.) That country had hitherto• been species f crime they commited • e abort extract he kept chiefly as a military gam - three, arid to uphold th e p, 0 was a eout to read was from Baron Smith's charge ro tie t s ant aseetidancy, which was the cause of many of the Grand Jury of the Queen's County, a the Lent evils that efll eted that country. Let the House see wh Assizes of 183,2 :—" I find Lies a calendar con had been dote, and what had not tie-n dune. H a d sietine of 150 cases. Of these, 12 are charges of any Lord Lieutenant applied to Government, t e lling th em murder; 6 of conspiracy to murder; 9 of man that tee ;,resent hove wer e not sufficient to quell th e d o _ slaughter; 11 of rape; 5 of child murder, and its ap turh auees? No; so much as a single one. H a d any t em, pertensn t s ; 11 of abduction ; 41 of house reeking, as h/oily met to sale Government fur grater powers? Nut one. sainting dwellinss, and robbery of arms; 9 of sip otine He asked the Heuse whether they wer e to legislate ou at persons; 2of administering unlawful mob.. ; and 22 of patty, partial, or defective evidence? Wey not c.ll on violent assaults." Noes as another proof n favour of hi s every Lord Livia, nant in Ireland to give a statement of pos i t i .en.he would take the population of /he Queen's the puce of his county ? Let him t e ll th e Bess e the County—though he had not the census of 1831—end he exact state in which it stood, whether any requisitions would take it at the last calculation made out, and sup- Lad been forwarded to him for power to put down dis- pine the amowit to be 1:34,000. Let one of tse smallest turbancee, and stating that the law, as it at present ee ne le a l a counties be taken—the county of Dorset fur existed was insufficient fur that purpose.—( Heir, hear.) nstance—whose pepulatit 2 n, according to the census of Had the people of Inland, l ie wou ld as k, st :fe d that they 1 831, was 15 9,000. Al owing for an increase of pope_ were unprotected ? Certainly not; and there was not the 'et County, the amount of population in evidence of a single public functionaty who b a d stak e the both counties at die present time, lie considered inarlemiacy of the lad s as it regarded juries, or any oiler pretty nearly the acme. He would call upon lion. Gen• me a ns to bring de:inqueots to justice. I n th e ab sence o f element to consider the relative amount of crime in both a ll such evidence as that, he asked, in the nam e o f aid, counties', and see whether the same proportion existed be what Ministers meant by ihe course they were pursuing? t„.„n population and crime. He did not ; conseqeently Why men, who had advocated the cause of libel-Iy, wh o h e was inclined to think that want of employment was had repudiated military law, or any species of coercion, the cause why the balance of crone was in favour of the had all at once changed their minds, and haul introduc e d a Irish counts'. He was ready to acknowledge that, as it Bill o f so atrocious a nature ? Ther e w as no evidence had been stated that the Irish labourer earned 6d. and Sii„ whatev e r from three parties, who ought t o p rove i t , that ii day, there was something beyond poverty which urge-1 there was any defect in the law, to put down the dis- him to the commission of crime. From the statements turbances in Ireland, or of the necessity fur extraordinary male last night in that House, it would be seen that on powers. What evidence had Mini s t e r s upon which to an average the Ludt labourer was net worse off than the act? Why, two letters from the paid office of policemen, English labourer. —(oh, oli, and Hear.) He appealed to who existed only in times of disturban ce , and the statement made by the Honourable Memb e r for Old. who would lost their salaries the moment the corn- t h a m (Mr. Fieldrn), last night, if such was not the truth, a thg o °''*. ' 0 Member venture to deny it? Woul , ntir oosi . j who interrupted him with his cry of ,7 .... n.i t er,, , that he did not speak to the question n oe l r c..etite i l a laugh.) If he bad the power and e o N', or situation of the miserable Irish peasant, sitting Ai 'luilfstes.,, in his smoky cabin, surrounded by his _ he i r Or:, thee the e gh o t e H n o t n le . m 3 a l n em w b h e o r for in tdTeeorarrfmiunfpgwotoeohddrotvilih,i Intie4nA.°:171:0:101;i: a d n re d n , , sa w d it a h n o d ut si a len zor p s o e n l r sm r t e r s e o ss u . rce, He an w d o h u i l s d d el e e sp sc a r i i r he at li t o l t ie v was to be expected there, because the f iot a I land or in France..e-(lfear, bear.) He 1 _ res oofgt to the splendid mansion in the his dismay when he discovered that this ode te l cut off, and that no legal provision sca! All , vent himself and his children fieim starvingsuo things he would describe; and, further, he drive ii the crimes into which misery Would (Hear, crimes at w ho s - which humanit would weep. - - ( 11 had He would beg to risk the y Hon. Gentleman go tios to the q „d terrupted him, if be now spoke (Loud laughter.) He despised those ef!"T he herii laughter ; he felt himself standing there 1 01 cAO A able capacity of Member of the House t he jor oii and clothed in the majesty with which istig hte of a representative invested him—(Ren ewed tb.s /1 and since he had came into the Nouse, be felt ~.1 0 1? that aei g t o l 1 b tPo o : u l 1: r: 3 ' e : 1 s r_ i - lei y ;5 a much humbler opinion of himself than 1 f ur recollectioneina• iiO3, (Continued laughter.) It had been sai d . ,l, o oo l Members who supported the Bill, that B , !' b "-` ad , spiracy existed in Ireland. He (51r. B.) 0 ..4 0 1 for five nights to th e d e b a t e on the' subject.. 00 0 which he w as as t i re d as J uvena l sa id the o"l'llabebsi his time, of sour cabbages.—(A laugh.) But bt of heaid, duri ng the whole of it, one proof broweligi existence of t h at censp i racy, nor the outrart thea admitt e d on a ll sides to have occurred, traced e t! de t he ' cause. It h e were , as a G ran d J u ror, to de ' wo of upon oath, he shotrd be bound to say that fi 00 ; t he I brought of a general conspiracy.—(Cheers the 11, potition B enc h es. ) H e did not k no w what the Lord mi g ht hi mse lf t hi nk, b ut he t h ou ght ti': g 00t, of the Hou se was t h at he h ad ta il e d in m ak.n The . case.—(Hear, hear, from Mr. O'Connell.) t o e , Hon. Secretary for Ireland followed on tbe sau le t h e II greater e l oquence, b ut not so much s in ce rity as hog Lord—(A ltugh)—and endeavoured to tnislesd , ~ —(Cries of " No, no," and •‘ Question.") _ A lle ,C,' to the House whether he should not be he a ' rte s' hear.) He only meant to detain them for 3 q Ua t ioeY, hour, and other gentlemen had been heard r o ot° an hour and upwards.—(A 1 ingli.) fle had it by the elock.—(Loud laughter.) Every ("l e i :balk teat there were crimes—atrocious crimes in ' r oper' how committed, and for what reason ?.--1. 143 ' 1 ' sod there was a considerable noise in the illaud'e;o_,,fl - bad at last t o interfere s and cal l e d b e'n upon which Mr. Richards, who appeared tn ac 10) called out]—The House will not listen W n ie.. ; is . Noble Lorit—l have no aristocratic blood 11°W rec tc'toieinisnssti—ittru p l e i on u : t .tya l ii a ft m e; h ill e : r s s e m a aa s yn there e er e r r e ge p ac r re e di s i e ee n sds ia o t f i a v ,t e ,hd o e f ii a n tre ; refor oh o p t ti ero r o with which the remarks which I venture ° ;di interruptions with contumelious contemet'" t roar He was pr epare d (eon i nued the Hon. Member) 10prr° —but he dared not and would not do so in Ing ot g temper of the House —he was prepared to pr.", o f alteration in the value of mono and the wan laws, were the real c tulle of the y outrages a n ",h WI,- Ireland ; and he ti ought that those who at trr ',lo7,, outrages to anything done by the Hon. and Lea rD i t ' e ee her tor Dublin, or any other man, were far fro"' fe ,. 0 .) I the real cause of the evil , of that countiy.- -4 ,., bse f fe i Lord OXIIANTOWN wished to make a i f te P t berd' tions in answer to the statement of the H° ° ;, l berr , '' Middlesex. It was asserted by that Hon. ''' - a • y ', A . ° King's County was in a state of perfect tranqu it :: je .tj e (Loid Oxonintown) regretted to say that the P „,', :de , tier never was more mistaken than when he. ~- b ae t i l i statement; and if the House would bear W it a " oo i e rd short time, he thought lie could satisfy the l ' a es tl e I ' d every practicable method was taken to tram?" coil county; bur, that the present state of the N',,t, ° i.ttfl j i alone was su ffi cient to justify his Majesty's 1 " - a - 0 1 0 "',a proposing the present measure. Two years art d o v , County was in a state of perfect trariquillttP bu t t h i l Vril t peasantry were in a state of great excitement; '' e t est 4 looking out for changes—(Hear)- and eapec6°ge I ' l ,l convention should be formed to put down the Or t h -rc tor t —(Hear, hear)—and, in short, they expected s ro wqiicmerit,u} b ' o a i iri n e.t g , A e : i nst ance , ti.oseheri they yhf should e l du t g :h l el: : c an a : ev i p m rei. :rei:l' generally mention mischievous at to wholoaware eff c that state °ear° ; held the knew of ot ' nt ' e l l was fur farmers to take le ri a d ;:sle w a s k t t h . o of them to sub -tenants at a rack rent, retaifli n g,:: far"' ; laf i i tttT larger rt operated fiaine, practicel n o 41 ore ejt t b:i l at i fs r ettr e ic l o s! , ttil. i own u-e only one half, or one third, of the en tir e ill ; Melt bets would say that in such circumstsn ce L t 5 - would have a better opportunity of doing .1° 81 ,,'; ds °t ' h a II portion of hid farm which he held in his own l and t ''' 11 if he paid a rack rent for it, and in El i t a „ n t ild' * : would certainly be the case ; but not so in A__,, - g ob' . (Hear, bear.) He knew a hundred insan e ' . r ot; ' i the tenant held his farm withoutp aying la Y i e I his auto -tenan s, to whom one-halt p the 01 . 1 ,71 r I t ; let, and who were rack-rented, paying the gi . , 0 00 . , 1 it gptT t h h rrhee, e ,:rep s . ; ei iorna f tn a yli,l4 rm hehpxte s tirbi w ,,weecl e yotw r sue e ediodd c r i kee i ii l io: t niat i dg, v nl a g t e e , d in an d th w e od st n w o r t e vi tc o b r e k a ;:f a r iti l :e County. As he formerly: of t he il S P " two years ago. At that period two tithe lln eet ' n 'baa - t held, and soon afterwards the Terry-Alt dist e tise tt cetnineneed. As soon as they were discovered , a m - Id I I b of the Magistrat e s took place, to consult what "":,,.y tl th i , a ; ' done to restore tranquillity in the district. r'''', t iler',' h i it was q t ) . u at i e re Af t .te r r :o - I: l‘ sfe i l i -fi'l ' r i t li was done for that end which could be done. T he n .,:eee'; l e , thence ;—those who were supposed to be in the se r f s () giL - 1 tsbbtrrasyto.i.kit_:et(rocs,itihea:rdss. that isotec ti ;: t dr i l, -- ,:re,hei e coii r de ; v : : neancdA•teehr:itfe b h u a t u , n n ts ot w w e i r t e hst p a r n o d t i e n c g ted ev a e n ry d e e n x c e o r t u i r o a n g , el heo d ti tr o, 6 turbances increased and extended themselves. lead at e d It; i erg to read an extract of a letter, which lie ha u , h ' s' '''j i I)tilmheouaftstegliwenn,it\) sa l et ofmt gentleman eh epi resent ens t he h .in a i t. t i t.,cato:lutt Mate t yoor,if it h e ' i a svii,t i :oo.#o , i. e ll: :" :" Lb . the Bill new before tr7ein. The extract was as f 4 „•i,, 14 ' Ile "I am sorry to he.r that so many of the English P a ' - o j e ' e t a . fee are opposed to the coercive measures proposed I/ ' O OO *i merit. They do not understand the state of Oise ° y ssf I N or they would not oppose it.—(Hear, hear.) r o e I tiel i ll that Government ought to redress grievances b e " - , It i" hl attempt coercive measures ; but it is for the peae e les%, Kt habitants that redress is required. When th e P s i,. li"j i and well disposed are in daily risk of the loss of Et - elle" and property—wlsen they are obliged to bark s- 0 0i doors fur tear their houses may be arta, ked for : 0 110:, ' when they cannot go out after nigatfall, nor even t na re r th.ir farina with safety—when all social tote ic ;eio d le , t arerrupted, when they are in hourly dread of ° l ') P: . 1 theytmi n i t o o t W nr requ ir e had t.e ( al i, ; o n r , d do o he hat read an exact description ijnro° : eheetsii°tan o i f i?°'n the i(aC e t b a :a l eY e ris t t i l l 'b it : ; . 1 country, and he took upon himself the fel °ll ;alitid a ''. of the authenticity sad correctness of the letter. .. no oo ,o a year there were 491 outrages committed in that:: igio ft among Woich were 196 illegal notices, 24 a ttac k eva i e ; the I, e,e ts ou r s ,Apc e is worst id. , n:: 8 a t n : yed,ffaw: -, combination s a il odi wereui, rr thisd c e e t r x s de . cdnt lop. t:a V e il i ill, u; ue n 1 tlia, ssu t dy b ste r e is wita; it s nt y , : rsv, t i tie, was. ,ei ,etr t fi ::::, toho t a l ,01, . ::: ),..d i 0 1 ,: : ,r I: : : down .regulariwn the w a r i a be t we en w (v)f,crhy s i land . C atho li c snt 1 : ;ii,ti, a nd w as_ l: d r oe o n t e e i s i s : n o b : i s : tit : l r. : : .11 ttpi a e or), : ti ff , i,ei,,,, f itkyen e eh e dy w t s,t r , o d s y li, t metros, ) rhr int, took e: i le : i‘nineaga:t of pt.:, fe) ep a ner t eitor a m at eluding es,cci that hi utyt t e i . aetut: when they meti arms :tenryh n a ei t t ss:atbel pursuit. members . they eal. e yklem l , daindi and b .. n el wo n or sntna n r . r e r r b v oat e i ,fy k liv n t g u t et s rhha i ecnt,: their. it, I e l s:h a l o : : lye ' Y itod:hre ' e : e l dri tiff: i " , .; i they ti en oho e a leader they li boun i d i tthemselve. dii o P ; i st.ttuei:iiettre. ;. a in e l r , i s iss in lit a ig t s ta , ck an iti d g t h oi u k eesi by i . : p wb a hee t an b spet s, and t°o • ' le ' k l'''' of 't more lit their party was wounded, but p e teP v onr e ee n acadd the n au:i.4°'' ;::::*.i: of difficult, and fro quent y impossible to trace dor' ar is would menti on One i nstance which happen ed last Y e Jaefh I l k ; the nei,,,hieturhood where he (L or d Oxinantowii) T erry' t to sho w t h e systematic manlier in which these ar t! I IY Alts concealed the names of their aecomplice 9 * A P r ill 0q of tw enty T erry- A lts attacked the house of a farn' a bot as 11si order to procure arms. Th e y waited outside fo r a r,.,,,ate eti, time, in hopes that an opportunity might offer of a c c t` i 0 , 11, iug th e h o us e w i th advantage. While they were sy 4 • I the farmer's son, a led of sixteen years of age, h . aPP eP ri:Def M I , iu _ n hum .. fates collie out, arid they iurmediatety seiz i e , . , then desired him to go to the door, and knock, tin t fo r tell that they were lying in waiting. Tire boy rei o ol, kl They then threatened to sho,:t lion, but he still ref „lit ft •I'Ley then beat him with the stocks of their muskr iv ' te lf ltli notwithstanding his tieing dreadfully injured , he re °__ o ee' refused to knock at the door. The 'ferry-Atte them , to ing that th e b oy wou ld no t d o tea they required, We ll • • ~ It could not he, then, entirely through poverty that the Irish labourer was so prone to crime, but rather from immorality and want of employment, since he passed seven months out of twelve in a state of idleness. Among the other causes to which might be attributed the present state of the Irish people, was the change in the prices of the produce of their soil since the peace, and the change in the manner of cultivating estates, which change had not been introduced by the landlords with sufficient cau tion. By this latter change, the density of the population had been increased, which tended much to cause the pre sent state of Ireland; and until the redundancy of popu• lation was got rid of cautiously, and in a way not to esasperate the Irish people, the present state of things must in a great measure continue. Another source of evil in Ireland was the tolerating of vagrancy and mendi city. Now he contended that all these causes of evil were purely physical and moral, and quite independent of poli tical causes, and bat it was by them that the present state of Ireland could be accounted for. He did not, therefore, consider the disorder of Ireland of only four or five years' standing ; it had existed for a series of years—(Hear, hear, from Mr. O'Connell)—and to remedy it, it would be necessary to go back thirty or forty years. He would repeat, that a redundant population was the source of many evils to that country, and that proper steps should be taken to find out a remedy for it. When he reflected, and sow many remedies proposed in the volume he held in his hand—when he knew that several remedial plans were advised, among the chief of which was a system of poor laws to he applied to Ire. land, though he could not decide whether those plans were good, still he thought that they should be properly taken into the etinsidera•ion of that House. He main tained that great nsticnal evils should be considered and treated as mental evils, where, as the poet sa y s, " the patient mi n i sters to hi mself. " The Irish should minister to ti emselves; and he called upon the gentlemen of th it country to endeavour to raise the moral tone of the people, and if they could not propose to them a speedy issue out of their privations, to inspire them at least with patience under their sufferings. Among the remedies proposed fur Ireland, he could not help mentioning one. It was not one of those remedies whereby oil was poured into the wounds of the patient —or if it proposed pouring oil, it was oil of vitriol, which would rankle in the wounds until it made them completely gangrenous. Of course he alluded to the remedy proposed by the Hon. and Learned Monber for Dublin —that t emedy was agitation ! He doubted whether, under any circumstances, such a re medy was goad—:whether it was good f r evils arising from political sources—hut of this he was sure, that for the evils of the people arising from poverty, wretched ness, and had and immoral habits, such a remedy was the most dangerous ever invented. He felt, in common with the great, r part of the Members of that House, that many parts of the Bill were excessively painful, and lie, as they, would, if any substitute for those provisions were pointed our, consider themselves as relieved from a great weight.—(Hear ) Notwithstanding, he confessed that many of the most obnoxious provisions of the pre sent Bill had appeared not only palatable, but were soli cited by those who best knew the state of Ireland. It had been asserted in that House that the Select Committee on the state of Ireland bad advised niea• sures very different from the present ones, and that the Committee stated that special commissions would be a sufficient remedy for the evils they had to inquire about. He would refer to the report of the Committee to prove that no such remedy was advised. He would ask whether a Special Commission would be adequate in a case like the following :—He had seen a notice, copied from one of the Dublin papers ; it was signed "Peter Flinch," and dated Invulnerable Lodge. It was addressed to a poor peasant, commanding him to give up the spot of land he held, and it concluded with the advice that if be did not obey the mand,,te, to apply to his priest for spiritual aid and comfort, for the consequence of disobedience would be death. Let the case of the person who received this no tice be reflected on—let his fear and anxiety, under such a threat, be brought into consideration--.nd then let Hon. Gentlemen say that Special C.intmissions were an adequate remedy for the urgency of such a case. He had but one remark to make about domiciliary visits —namely, that the nightly visits of the police were tar preferable to those of assassins. For the reasons he bad given, he would sup port the present measure. Colonel CONOLLY said, that an Hon. Member—the Member for Mi 'd:esex—had gone so far as to hold up his hand, and point out his Majesty's Ministers as agitators, and as the cause of the present disturbed state of the Irish people. The Hon. Member must have done so in order to try and screen the true agitator. Every body must know (if not blinded by prejudice) who was the real agitator, and everybody must be besides aware, that large masses of his Majesty's suljects required to be protected front the tyranny of agitation---a tyranny that was exercised over their very speech and actions. He would support the proposed Hill, because it would tend to keep up the allegiance the Irish people were willing to pay to England in exchange for protection, and be would moreover give it his support, because he knew that there were millions in Ireland who looked up to it as a measure of many advantages to them. Tyranny, from whatever quarter it proceeded, should be resisted ; but there WilS no one species of tyranny he was so determined to oppose, as that mean invidious sort of tyranny which cloak: El itself in subterfuge, and had recourse to every paltry and cowardly artifice to escape with impunity —(Hear, hear.) He would say most emphatically, that so lung as the Hon. and Learned 'Member for Dublin was allowed to possess the power of holding out impunity to the agita tors of Ireland the laws could not be enforced in that country. Government had been implored to punish Whiteboys and Whitefeet, and other disturbers of the peace; i ut be would implore Government to punish the principal—the promoter; he would implore it to let its punishment fail on those who sought to make sacrifices of others, for their own advantage, and to escape themselves. A cry had ln en repeatedly raised that Ireland wanted justice; she did want justice, but not that hitherto so loudly called tor. She wanted justice upon the heads of those who had invented a most jesuitical mode of proceeding, amo 'e interested and cowardly. There never was a viler mode of acting ; by it the poor were deluded and sicri fined. while the insidious and cowardly agitator skulked behind, and endeavoured to avoid both the vengeance of the individual he insulted, and the punishment of the laws he caused to be infringed. In supporting the pre sent measure, he called upon the G , vernment to catch the lion, as well as the other animals and little jackals that surrounded him. During the discussion much had been said derogatoy to the character of in liter) , men. Wort had been said against them had its origin in pr. jodice, and was so strongly expressed in that House as almost to amount to direct injustice. Theme was no set of men that could he more confidently relied on than they. He would conclude by saying, that he considered this de parture front the Constitution called for, and that it was highly judicious. He appreved of that departure, be cause it c•-uhf never he taken as a precedent by Ministe who wished to do wrong —(A laugh.) Mr. RICHARDS said, that under no circumstances whatever would lie vote away a single tittle of the liberties of the people, without stating to that House the reasons that induced him to do so. He had been asked whether he would vote for the suppression of organ sad Political Unions in Ireland and England ? He would positively say, Yes. He would vote for their suppression theme, Isere, and everywhere el e. Political Unions, be• fore Reform took place, might he of some use, but they were of no us-, and ought not to be tolerated, after the Re fOrm Ail had passed, and wie n the people were fairly r e p eaented in that Moo.. It appeared to him that no thine could be more presumptuous than that any set of m n should form socienes, which would not only be datigeiow. to indiv'duals, hut also to the State. He flt himself hound, from the expel ience he had of that Hous e to state that 'Never was there a Bet of gentlemen more anxious to lenitive any di-tress that might be piinted out tot ten There was but on the face of the earth a set of men less interested and more intellectual—(A laugh)—than those who composed that assembly, or mere e iger to promote the rood of their country. The Right Han. amulet the Member for Tarnworth, and the Secretory for Ireland had brought forward accounts of the distui hence, which districted Ireland in bo!drelief, but they had said 1 the of the grievances, of tt,e distress rnrl starvation, which pro dotted those disturbances. The independent Press of this country, however, had pointed out the remedy rim those evils—he thanked them tor it. By the manner in which they had done it, they showed themselves to be in advance of the Legislature in intelligence- and foresight.--(An Hon. Member caled out " Question, question.") Ile would real an extract of a letter froin a gentleman in Connaught, which bail been Bent to him ; it was dated in 1821, but it appeared to him to apply equally to the circumstances of that province at present. The letter said that " the misery experienced by the people of that district was beyond credit and description, yet there are no people mote peaceable or more observant to the laws, or more obedient to their magistrat es th an they are. As for their clothing, they are not half covered ; and on Sabbath, when one halt of a fatal:) , goes to church, they require to use all the clothes of the I . :tinily, and the rest are obliged to absent themselves, owing to their nakedness. Their only beds are straw ; and as fin their food, if they have one miserable meal of potatoes per day, they consider themselves well off." H e appea l ed to the H ouse , if that was not the true state of that country at present ?. , .(Hear, hear.) Would any Hon. i 1 . . • d oor th in their but Ope q , h er di et , eons, y e 14j ury; op en „ eie t him : bi nd. fath A nt to I .e! hi, I ~.._.