The Sun. — London, England, 1830-02-20 00:00:00

~ 1 ~ ail new light had not entnewhat se -.net- illumineted the • understandings of those Hon Gentlemen, as no less a sun/ than 60,000,0001. might hay:, been seved by avowing the eame conviction in 1817. The course he proposed, it wse true, might infringe on the custom of the House, but it was not on that account the less; worthy of their adoption. What he meant to suggest was, that the House should fewer be induced on any pretence whatever, to vote a shilling of supply until the Chancellor of the Exchequer hied explicitly slotted what :sere the proposed reduesieee of taisetien. 'l'h, Right Hon. Gut. had a'rtoily laid !wren. them the rednetions in expenditure, end Ise, individually, was far front being satisfied with their amount. Givern• ment, in his opinion, liAil not (tarried the principle of re treoehment to the extent which the public necessities de mewled. In the examina.ione, tie which, as a meeiber of the Finance Committee, he was a patty, the facility of Making much more considerable reductienr hail been cleat! ) , mole manifest. In the army a'one they mitt!: t easily economize so 43 to risible* a seeing t► the country fir beyond that contemplated by Ministers. In the department.: of the Paymaster, the Comptroller, the War-office, an I the Agency, it was obvious that great retrenchment was ad missible, connistent with the perfect efficiency of the ser- The regulation clothing and cavalry depertment in reneral would admit of reduction to the amount of 200,0001. A anti of 24,000/. a year might be saved by abolislsino the .agency effice, which was quite un necessary, as it was only made a repository of the dupll Cite! of accounts. Teen, nothine could be mere exhor- Intent and preposterouely extrevegent then the expeivii titre of the navy. To support this assertion, was it neces sary to do more than allude to the buil iings of ships and em- Imeneet of workmen, which was sought to be justified on the pretence that other nations would benefit by theeervice of mir artisans, if we del not give them busineat ourselves, elthough we might not respire what was thus provided for twenty years to come? Toe iniscelleneous xpendintre was equally capable of reduction, which, in feet, ought to lie applied to every thing in every department which seas not unevoidably necessary. In the Colonies they should likewise retrench with an unsparing hand, and this was the more desirable, as much extravagance, both civil and military, would be found to originate under this head of public expenditure. It was said that we could not tnake any further. reductions in the military department generally, but le; wished to know whether this remark scald fairly apply to the Horse Guards? It was also • alleged, that our Colonial posseseions would interfere with the rednetion of the infantry, and he admitted that the Proportion of fifteen years of a regiment's foreign service to fiv e years' service at home, certainly did throw in ob stacle in the way of any extensive retrenchment. But the infantry tram nevertheles; susceptible of moderate reduc tion. A - Committee in 1817 hail estimated our future ex- Penn e % at 17,300,000/, per annum, yet had we gone on yearly encroaching on:that expenditure, and during the last year alone we had exceeded it by 300,000/. Was this system to be tolerated if persisted in at a time of profound peace, 'h-n every article was at a reduced price, when low prices trete the subject of such general outcry and Complaint. He fully agreed with the Nettle Lord, the Meitner for Northamptonshire (Lord Alttiorp), in thinking that they should meet the distrusa of the country by reduction. Let it, however, be remembered that nothing .had that night fallen from the Right Hon Gentleman from which it could be inferred that any reductien is taxation was contemplated by Government. The sum of 150,000/. "roof,/ be saved in consequence of the reduced interest of our unfunded debt, but that reduction did not in any way relate to our expenditure er public establishments. The Hon. Member for Callington had said that there were only 11,000,0001. at their disposal out of which to make reductions, but that sum might be considerably increased by retrenching in the collection of the revenue, and the ex penditure of Scotland. In the item of beer duty alone 3 70,0001. might he saved to the country, and in Feinted cottons the sum of 1,400,000/. was taken off the public, although but 600,0001. went to the revenue. That greet relief would result to the population from the proper exer cise of their legislative duty, with these Lets before their eyes, he thought could not by any one be denied. If the House came to a resolution that time; to the amount of 4 ,090,000/. could be withdrawn, Minister', he would 'aswer for them, in a few day. would open their eyes to the possibility. If they did not act thus, it was futile to expect any measure of permanent advantage to the !suffer .ing-population. They might discuss the estimates in de tail, but it would he a mere matter of form unless the whole subject went regularly before a Committee. The surplus revenue of last year had amounted to 170,000/., and that of this year to 1 28,000/. ; they had, consequently, 3,000,0001: of surplus revenue at their disposal for the relief of the people. The Chancellor of the Exchequer • might say that the revenue would not keep up; and if ao, he for one wool,' be disposed to make every allowance for such a contingency; hut he feared diet the surplus might be applied to the reduction of the nett, and not to the abatement of taxation. In (conclusion, he felt obliged to the Right Hon. Gentleman far the spirit of fairness and candour in which he appeared to have made his statement to the House. Mr. FERGUSSON wan disappointed in the nature of the redaction proposed, as he had expected retrenchment . in taxation. Nor was economy likely to be practised to the extent that he had hoped for. They were informed last Session that it was necessary to keep five-sixths of ear disposable force to keep Ireland in order, and that Catholic Emancipation would in consequence induce a ennsiderable saving is military expenditure to the country. They were since told, by the Right Honouothle Horne .Secretary, that that measure had proved efficacious beyond their hopes; soil he thought that, in compliance with the previous !sledge, they should now rote lola reduction of 5,000 men, on the ground of the altered situation of Ire land.—(Hear, hear.)--He would not set up his opinion oppesitio n to that of Ministers with respect to the Colo ?lief., lint this change which had lately taken place in the Etat of Europe was an event which all would confess ought • to inflaetice their rates upon future military arrangements. Mr. W. SMITH thought that they might have made a midi larger diminution ofexpenditure its this department, r eonsidering that the exertions of the Duke of Wellington • had placed the country in a situation to look every enemy in the face without fear. He was glad that, amongst modern improvement., they had abandoned the sinking fandn which was a most preposterous theory when the ' debt amounted to such a sum as 700,000,0001. it would be little satisfaction sixteen years . hence to be told that their debt was only 100 ,000,000/. instead of 700,0 00,0001. Instead, therefore, of speculating on a reduction of the debt, he would have them endeavour only to increase the comforts of the people. The SPEAKER then left the chair, and the House re sidved itself into Cemmittee. Sir HENRY lIAItDINGE said that it was his inten tion, in bringing forward the Army Estimates for the pre 't,nt year, to adopt the usual and most convenient course of Stating in detail the reductions contemplated since he 41 the honour of submittisig a like statement to the Honse. He should commence by adverting to the pro - holed redUctions in the staff, and here he could net help regretting that the Hon. Member for Aberdeen was not in his place, as he .hiel represented that the intended reduce o Eons were paltry and insignificant.. Indeed, to do the i n? 6. Gentleman justice, it was no t hi s custom to absent qnntelf on such an occasion.—(Laughter.) —He could ot 4 iire the House, that the retrenchments in contemplation ' •:7' t ts much misrepresented when so described. In the so sto ff department it was hoped that they would effect a 1, 41 n1t over last y ear o f 27,551/ . I n addition to which, "Y designed to reduce the office of Adjutant-General. 14 his own office ouch reductions had taken place as the , i ntereet s o f t h e pu bli c serv i ce would permit. To the abi - ' 4 3" anti good conduct of the clerks in the War-office he • b ald himself bear the amplest testimony. They were in l ll ' t t'tnects'deserving of the praise which had been ren ..iptered to other gentlemen in similar situations by his Hon. f r isint the Secretary to the Treasury, a few evenings be !ire. He had nerer sects gentleme n discharg e their duty I 'l 'eery respect in a more exemplary manger, and as n sh was dependent on their itstsgrity, he was sure that 110 Person could complain that they were overpaid. The this war the y h a d necessar il y i ncreased to 170, and they * sr* note again reduced to 73. As to the patronage con nected with the office, it could not be sail to amount to "Th,•for hi s p re d ecessor, 1 :e b e li eve d , h a d been able to 1: 144 s but five or s ix a pp o i n t men t s , an d, f or hi s own part, had hitherto no opportunity of pc-omitting any. In the a ' il itary coll ege a reduction would be effected to th e amount °' 2 ' 2 731., and the total reduction in the education of the ern e . e Would amount to 7.659/. The salary of the Gover nor of th e College was reduce:l front 1,500/. to 1,000/. • r, ,P e snntsm, to whi c h h e very handsomely acreifeil. Time 7. l4 i iintte for general ofliitere teas 126,0001., and they lied "'sod tide departmentln the estimate far eln poo • The anu nitlitary aliowaniTso,ooo it would he found th et - too r ' wag a reduction of 18,179/. Then there was also a tf ie l f i t in the department of the retired' upon full pay, and •or 3 : 4 iZn pay lien This would make a reduction in total he 411.49/. 'He had said, last Session, that it was probable o w cold be enabl e d s o cance l 140 subalterns, and he was h . as the to say that he had understated that probability', to eri e numbe r of officer's *cancelled proved to be 210. Thus itoo,:tFluld be 'a real saving of 37,0001., a l t h oug h circuits- To to s would render the apparent saving only 18,179/. red noti u :nber ofrtffieers reduced would b e 3,000, an d th e 3,sotoo:''s io the civil part of the army would amounitr - With respect to pensioners the number had very vire. iVerabiy met-eased of late years,_- eircomatance which could be . very easily. ou for. 11y the regulations wisieli had been edooted, ea, peneian I;st would be reduced this year by 1,200 o•eoarto- -that is, the number of deaths which hag taken pas s e e on the !tension fiat would not be filled up by that tot:ober. Teas fiintinotion was consequent upon alterations the present Commander of the Forces, had deemed it exisedielut tit effect in the Pension Act of 1806, which heel been introduced by Mr. I,lrynd ham. Many important regulations had, he was bound to say, been intredneed b 1 his Noble oredecesser (Lord Palmerston) in the office of Sseretary of War, with respect to the rate of service for which a pension might be claimed. Accooling to Mr. Weeillhatn's Act, a soldier (using the term generally) wss entitled to a pension, even though he had seent a part of the requisite number of years out of the servire altogether, with this condition, that every two years out of service counted but as one of actual service. In coesequence of this regulation many persons were entitled to pensions whose real claims were eery questionable. His Noble predecessor had, a+ he had stated, abolished 'that system, an I loud in sisted upon actual service altogether. By another regula tion of tire Wendham Act, two years' Ferrite in the Wesit Indies counted as a claim ler pension allownneeaqoally with three years' service elsewhere. To his Noble prede cessor the country was also indsbted for the saving conse quent upon the abolition of that regulation, as well as for the great saving of preventing the allowance exceeding the pay of the soldier whi:e in actual service. Under Mr. Wyndham's Act, the allowance often amounted to double pay, by which it was evident the pension estimate was very much augmented. There was another regulation of the Act of 1806, which was fbend to operate very disad vantageously, so far as the public money was cAeerned, while it was not just to the soldier of lone service,—he meant that under which these who had been discharged for r disability contrarted in service were entitled t o a pension far life, even though they had but one year's ac tual service. He had mule a calculation of the number of pensioners consequent upon this imp:ovident regulation, and he found (he of course excluded the veterans in his calculation) that there were 350 persons receiving pen sion allowances, whose average service was but four years, and whose average age was but 24 years—(Hear)—and he found that there were not less than 20,000 pensioners whose average age was bpi 31 years.—(hear.)—lt was hardly necessary for him to call the attention of the Com mittee to the great saving which would accrue to the coun try from the abolition of that regulation.—(Hear.) —Soon after his accession to office the subject was forced upon his attention ; and he felt it to be his duty to ad vise his Majesty not to allow a pension under the circum stances be had mentioned for less than 14 years' service ; and then that the pension should not be permanent, un less for 21 3ears) service. A great saving was, or rather he should pay would he, the consequence of his suggestion having been adopted, while lie thought an act of justice would be performed so far as the veteran was concerned.— (Hear.)---It was his rule to reward the soldier of short service, so far as was consistent with justice, and the soldier of long service so far as was connected with the finances of the country.—(llear.)—ln the expiration of a short time he hoped to see the pension list as low, in con sequence of this change. as in ISI7. The next estimate to which he ]:egged leave to direct tile attention of the Committee was the army widow pension •allowance, am tinting to 145,2671. for the present year. Though this showed au increase of 1,856/. over that of last year, he was enabled to state that a regulation which had lately bo , n adopted with respect to the pension -list of officers' widows would tend to diminish this eatimate in future. It was intended that hereafter the widow of no officer or soldier should be entitled to a pension, unless her husband had undergone ten years' actual service, or was killed in the performance of his duty. This re minded hint of a reduction which Hon. Members would find set down in the present year's estimates he meant the voluntary and munificent act of Mr. Francis Aloore.—(Hear, hear, hear.)—That emi nent officer had 'enjoyed a pension of 800/. per annum, for his service. as Deputy Secretary of War, which he, of his own accord, gave up to his country.--(Hear, bear.)—lle did so with the most unostentatious simplicity, on the grounds that, as be resided out of the country, and thereby did not contribute to the public exigencies, ire felt himself not entitled to an ellowance, which he did not spend among those to whom he was indebted for it.—(Cheers.)—" But this noble and patriotic conduct," continued the Right Hon. and Gallant Member, " belongs to Mr. Francis Moore's family.—(Hear.) —lt happened that I was the comrade of his illustrieue and gallant brother (Sir John Moore), and was near him when he received that fatal wound, which he bore with a fortitude that I cannot but say was elmest superhuman, that closed his heroic career; and I can take it upon roe to say, that though the services of Mr. Francis Moore were performed in a less conspicuous field, his motives in making a voluntary surrender of the reward of these services, partook of the same high-minded and truly patriotic r spirit which regulated every act of his gallant brother's - life."—(L ou d cheers. )-31r. Meore's con duct in this affair, he thoitglunwould be the more appreciated by the country, when it was known th a t h e was a gentleman of very moderate fortime.—(Hear.)—Nor was the conduct of his son, Lieut.-Col. Moore, whom he was proud to call his friend, less deservirig the approbetion of the Committee, for he readily acquiesced with his father's proposition, though his own fortune little exceeded his military pay.—(Cheers.)— He next begged leave to direct the attention of the Committee to the amount of forces which it was deemed necessary to maintain in the present year, and for which the estimate was 6,123,1121., exclusive of army extraordinarics and yeomaury. This, he was gratified by being enabled to state, was the lowest estimate submitted to Parliament for the last 25 years.—(Hear, hear.)—lle admitted that the estimate for 1822 and 1823 was apparently less; but it would be borne in mind that the cost of the several colo nial corps war not included in any army estimate till 1828 ; so that if it were added to the general estimate of .1822 and 1823, it would be found to be upwards of 100,000/. more than the estimate of the present - year. Then, with respect to the amount of force, it would be found that between 85,84 S men, and the number in the first estimate which he would submit to the Committee, was a :eduction, in fact, of 7,684 men (as Hon. Members would see in the 4th page of the estimates), leaving 81,164 men, for whose pay and clothing 158,5601. was necessary. The reduction which would be made under this estimate had another advantage,—that no soldier would be dis banded 'under Mr. NVyralhatn's Pension Act, till he was no longer fit for service. Last year a reduction of 1,200 men had been effected, which, with that intended to be made this year, would make a reduction of 4,300 men. As he was on the point of reduction, he begged Hon. Members to refer to page 41 of the estimates, and they would see one very strikiug beneficial effect of the Catllol:c Relief Bill of the last Session. In consequence of that measure, Min's ters would be enabled to withdraw not less than 3,000 men from Ireland—( le:1r, hear)—by which the country at large would be saved 50,0001. per annum, as it was intended that that force should be disbanded.—(Hear.) — lie might here indulge in congratulations on the improv ing state of Ireland, to 'which - he would assert that benefi cent measure was mainly instrumental ; but he would for bear, gad inerey express his hope that peace and justice would shortly supersede the necessity altogether of a mili tary force in that country.—(Hear, hear.) He would next take the liberty of directing the attention of the Committee to the number of battalious necessary to our colonial relief system, against which the lion. Member for Calliniton had stated some objections. The number in the present estimate would amount to 72 battalions, of which 26 were al that would remain in Great Britain an , l Ireland, it being calculated that four were in a state of passage (there were, in fact, but three) to the colonies; which therefore would require the remainder. He admit.. ted that the simple statement of the number might lead Hon. Members to infer that an unnecessarily large force was kept up ; but when the relief system_usually 10 years abroad t o four years at home—was considered, it would be found that the force was barely sufficient. In tact, though 74 battalions should have been sent out dur ing the last ten years, according to the ten to four years principle, but 52 haul been sent. The Hon. Member for Callingtun seemed to think that the Guards ought to be reduced as well as other branches of the army ; but the Hon. Alember seemed to forget that the number of bat.. talions of tile Guards had not been increased since the time of Charles 11., and were the same now as during the American war, and were actually less than in 1792, when the companies ameuateul to 64, there being now but 58.-- (Heir.) With respect to the reduction which the Hon. Member had stated as expelisnt in the number of cavalry regiments, he begged the Hon. Member to recollect that though the reduction in the present estimate was but of 454 men, the amount of the existing cavalry force was much less than that of 1792, at the commencement of the wsr. At present we haul but 26 cavalry regiments; in 1792 we had 31, and the number of officers in the same proportion. Further reduction: was in contemplation, among which he might then state that it was resolved by the Commander of the Forces that the second majorships should not be filled up as they became vacant.--(Hear.)— He might indeed rest his defence of the necessity of the present amount of forces to the relief system of the Colo oies, on the evidence given by his noble predecessor hi office before the Finance Committee, which evidence would convince lion. Members that the force at present kept up was not green. than the interests of the co - untre required. Tile question then was, as it was fairly put by the lion. Member for Calinetren es a eer earrisee ros too large?- Was it theres 7; eeek to tnsee duction ? It was given in • evideeee le-eire the Fieeme Committee, that the number of triiieie pis -Rent re tained in the West Indies was much less than in the year 1792, though, since that time. tire epearent ne cessities of an inereia , ed force had nsigmentee. I n s r. Domingo, a neighbouring island, - 24 hours' eeil o r Jamaica was now a free Week population ; and insny re publican Stat es h a d s i nce sprung up in ti ro neighhourheed, Then, it w e l o ok e d t o C ana d a , it would be fiend t h at eni force there was much less now than it was in 1793. The same could be said of Nova Scotia and of Gibraltar. The only exception was New South Wales, in which there was now a larger force than in 1792,' for femme 'which Ire had no doulet the Right lion. Home arid Colonial Secretaries would have no difficulty in 'justifying. In the old Go: verninente, then, .there was a diminution in our garrison force, which am ounte d to 17,000 me n ; i n t h e new Gas vernments the force was 17,000, ryas hut f a i r to presume that tl:e ratio was founded on the same principle of economy as he had shown to be maintained on the old. Circumstances, not diffieult to be explailletl, in the East Indies, had rendered an augmentation of force necessary there. The amount of troops was now 20,000 ; in 179 e they were 10,000. He had shown generally that the force at present kept up was only 6,000 more than in 1522 ; for if, from tire Sl,OOO there be deducted the 7.5,000 estimate, which would include the colonies, of 1822, there would be a balance of but 6.000 against the present year. The Hon. Member for Aberdeen had ar gued far the necessity of further reducing the militia force of the country. Upon this point lie differed from him it was never contemplated that the old and constitutional farce should be entirely put down. He spoke in the pre sence of the Hon. Member far Limerick, who was the of ficial agent of that reduction, and ask - eel him whether more was meant than tire reduction of the staff of the mill ia, whether it was intended that the main force should be reduced below that of 1782 ? One wo:d with respect to the yeomanry; he had reason to believe that the Govero ment which preceded the present had made minute in quiries into the utility of the force, and had made every practicable reduction. The present Government had re ceived that force on this understanding. He nets enabled to state, that, it was intended that the expense of that corps should be reduced ten per cent., and that every further practicable reduction should lie adopted, In con clusion, then, he would state, that the dead *eight ex pense of the army had passed its maximum, that there was a reduction in the general army estimates of 231,000/. which, with the reduction of 64,000/. in the militia ' estimates, and of 150,000/. in the army extraordineries, made a total reduction of 452,0001. tender this branch of the public service in one year. If to this the Corn mittee would add the reduction of last yeer, they would find the estimates of this year 727,000/. less than that of 1828, The Right lion. Member conclnded by moving a re-solution, " That it was expedient that a force consisting of 88,84 S men should be kept up for the military service of the current year, exclusive of the forces employed by the East India Company." Colonel DAVIES could not but lament that the pro mites held out by Ministers of reductions commensurate with the distressed state of the country were so little likely to be realized. To what did the vaunted reductions amount ?—To 231,0001. in the army extimaters: a reduc tion which was a mockery, when the state of the country was considered,--a state which hail no parallel since the days of Charles ll.—(Cries of " No, no.")—The son. Member was proceeding to state his objections against the proposed estimate, but was so interrupted by the impatience manifested by the House, that— Mr. HUISIE rose to order, and declared that if his lion. Friend did net obtain a hearing, he should more that the Chairman do report progress, so as to afford his Hon. Friend another opportunity of expressing his sentiments. Colonel DAVIES proceeded again to argue, that if we looked to the east or the west, it would be seen that this e , entry had not been so low in the eyes of Europe since the days of Charles II.—(No, no.) He contended that he was borne out by facts in this st dement. In the east our ancient Ally was prostrate at the feet of Russia—in the west Spin had attacked those new States with which we were cultivating amicable and commercial relation's. It was really important to observe, with reference to the British military expenditure generally, that its army of 90,000 men (exclusive of extraordinary expenses, pen sions, &c.) coat the country more than France paid fur her military establishment of 150,000 mere.—(Near.) Such was indeed the scale of expenditure, that he knew not how to call upon lion. Members to begin the work of reduc tion. lie thought, however, the best elan would be to propose in the shape of an amendment, that the present estimates, instead of being taken as the rate for twelve months, should merely be allowed to stand for three months (until the 25th of May, for instance); and next, should that resolution be carried, he meant to knew it up by a motion for the appointment of a Select Committee to inquire into the whole subject of the military expenditure, with a view to such reduction thereof as was called for by the exigencies of the country. He was bound to show prima facie that a considerable reduction was quite pries ticable. To begin with Ireland, they had the authority of the Hon. Alember for Clare and of other Hon. Members well acquainted with thestate of the country, to show the existing tranquillity which prevailed there, and was the result of the great measure of last year—that immortalizing act of the Noble Duke at the head of the present Government.-- He should therefore propose a reduction of 8,000 men from the 18,500 voted for the service of Ireland, which, under the altered circumstances of the country, could be most safely made, to the diminution of an expense of at least half a million of money. The next source of reduc tion would be found in the Colonies. Is Canada, in Malta, the lonian Islands, and tire Cape of Good Hope, a variety of important reductions could be made, which he should be prepared to subliantiate in the Committee. Every where reductions could be made, and without diminishing the real effective service of the country. Look at the military force of America, where the whole standing army, including artillery, did not exceed 6,000 men, and these intended to cover an extent of country equal in size to nearly the whole of Europe. The Americans relied in a' time of necessity upon the reinforcements from their militia. Why not Great Britain do the same in the Canadas, where sire had a large militia reserve enrolled (he believed to an extent of 140,000) which could be speedily made avail able? In the colonies he thought a reduction of 7,000 or 8,000 men could be speedily effected, Then in the lonian blends there were plenty of sources of reduction, particu larly of four militia inspectors, six sub-inspectors, at thousands a year salary, where, from time beginning there never was a single complete regiment of militia. Look at Gibraltar:.—Why was 6,0001. a year given there to a Governor? If there must be such an office where duties were not to be performed, he was sure his lion. and Gallant Friend the Secretary at War had only to go to-morrow morning to the United Service Club, where he would in a moment find 20 most competent officers ready to und e rt a k e i t f 0r 2,000/. a year.— ( A laugh. )—The fact was, that were this an economical Government and an honest House of Commons, a reduction of twenty thousand men - could be immediately made in the standing army, with the abolition of a wide range of useless and expensive attendant establishments. Let, then, those Hon. Members who brought petitions against the mait and other taxes, and who were so justly loud in their com plaints of time prevailing degree of distress, orsiy join hirer in paring down these branches of useless expenditure, and they would find &remedy at bed. It would be in vain for them is vote large sums to the Government for esta blishments on one day, and on the next call for a reduc tion of taxes. The instant they got the money, the Go vernment were sure to spend it, and get rid of the Par liament as they got this essential part of the business of its meeting perfermed.—(Hear.)—He concluded by mov ing as an amendment, that the present estimates should be merely taken fur three months, intending afterwards to propose for a Committee to inquire into the whole mili tary expenditure. Mr. 11 0BHOUSE, in supporting the amendment, said that he was not one of those who wished to join any par ticular parties in that House to support a Government because it was called strong. On the contrary, his expe rience convinced him that these strong Governments were less susceptible of the influence of public opinion, and he therefore preferred those Administrations which were called comparatively weak, and on that account obliged for the assurance of their Support, to depend more on occa sional compliance with the voice of the people. He wished to ask the Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Ex cli,pier, whether it was the intention of Government to make any reduction in the taxes. The House had heard that there was to be retrenchment, but he wanted to know whether the saving eff,cted by that retrenchment was to I supply any deficiency in the revenue, to form a Sinking Fund, or be applied to the reduction of taxation. The CtIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that I had it bees in his power, at the present early period of the sp session, to have stated to the House hi s view with re e-t to the finances of the country, he would have done i so. It was, however, out of his power to make any such i statement at present, and lie was sore that every person in tits that to ma k e any partial statement (ns l u i cT s t e t.s n u.b°jueled Su e t tvo ' uld only tend to aggravate the exit- I ieg distress, and lead to fals e conc l usions. He therefore coal I on l y give this assurance, that he would take.the esrliest opportunity—far earlier than was usual on such state what were th e viev. - 3 of Government •, with respect tn the question or 'a reduction of taxation and he only cn - o,3te I. ;hat the House would not info from Ma silenee ecgerhived any Opinion either in flvour or .li,rt,-6 n r tt'slimiNi , hing the amount of taxation, Sir JOAN WiZOTT:F.SII:2V concurred with the nitThi Ilan. Gentleman, that aoy ;;:;vial statement on a subje o: such great importance as the reduction of taxation wool, only lead to the injury of the ravenue, and be protinetive of complete delusion, Mr. WESTERN gave credit to the Government for a disposition to make every practical reduction in the ex penditure, but he did not understand why the military establishment should at prcsent be more by 6,000 men than in 1822, and he should therefore vote for the amendment. Sir R. FERGUSON thought a single regiment could not be spared from tli colonies. Sir R. WILSON did not think the colonial force too large for the garrisons and situations they were to occupy. It was - another question, whether thosJ places should be kept.—(llear.)—lle thought that the East India Com pany ought to bear a proportion of the expense of the re giments maintained fur the East-India service; otherwise the people of England would be paying a charge which the East-India CoMpany always pretended they did not'in:pose. Sir H. HARDINGE admitted that t:tc subject noticed by the gallant Member was well worthy of inquiry. Mr. STANLEY hoped that the amendment would not he pressed to a division, for in that case, however unwilling he might he to vote against a Government to which he gave credit for possessing a disposition to retrench, be must sup port the amendment. thought it would be better for the Hon. Member for Worcester (Colonel Davies) to allow the estimates to pass, and then come forward with a motion for the appointment of a Select Committee to in quire into that which was the most important branch of the investigations of the late Finance Committee—the ex penditure incurred by the military establishments in the colonies, and the depot system io England. Lord ALTHORP. did not wish to see the amendment pressed to a division, but, if it were, he should feel com pelled to vote for it. Sir IJUSSEY VIVIAN was no friend to a standing army, hui he thought it would be impolitic to reduce the cavalry. Mr: HUME would support the amendment. Mr. MABERLY, with respect to the Committee re commended by his Hon. Friend Colonel Davies, saw no chance of his obtaining it. He agreed with the Hon. Member for Montrose, that the cavalry should be made disposable for foreign service, and by that means some fur ther reductions might be made in the army. But if the cavalry were kept at home, and if no reductions should be made in that service, he (Mr. Moberly) would not press for a reduction of the infantry in our colonies, for it would be impossible to keep the colonies in their• absence. Lord PALMERSTON could not give a silent vote on this occasion, and he was anxious to state, that he could not consider it consistent with his public duty to vote tot the amendment proposed by the Hon. Member opposite. He was quite convinced of the necessity which existed for retrenchment and reduction in every quarter, in order if possible to relieve the distresses of the country ; at the same time he felt that that relief was not to be attained by the reduction of any of our effective establishments be low that point at which, under the existing circumstances of the country, it seemed fit and expedient to maintain them ; anti looking- at the considerable possessions of the Crown of Great Britain in all parts of the v.exld, he (Lord Palmerston) was not disposed to thick tliat it would he expedient at present to reduce any of our military forces beyond the point state I by his Right Hon. Friend the Secretary at War. It was quite a different ques• don, whether upon any review of our colonial s3stem, and of the expenditure connected with their several establish ments, the local expenses of the colonies might not be re duced, or their resources rendered more available for their own support,—(Hear, hear.)—That was quite a different question, and he did not consider himself as expressing any opinion retarding it by his vote on the present emotion.— (Hear.)—He thought Lis Right Hon. Friend had pro posed a considerable reduction. Mr. LABOUCHERE should certainly vote for the amendment. He found it difficult to persuade himself that 5,000 men were necessary fur the preservation of Nova Scotia and New Brunswiek.—(licar.)—He would state one fact illustrative of the manner in which Canada was governed. He happened to know tint in the colony of Lower Canada there were no less than 400 miitia officers degraded under the administration of the late Go vernor, Lord Dalhousie, simply for attending a meeting which was held there for the purpose of petitioning this House,—a right which, if they had not exercised, they would not have been worthy of the name of British sub tects.—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.")—On the proper occasion he should not fail to express to the Hou , e his opi nion of the system of government pursued in our North American provinces, and lay before thatn the feelings of the inhabitants of those provinces on that subject. Sir H. 'VIVIAN remarked that there were four regi ments of Guards in this country always ready for foreign service. Mr. W. DUNCOMBE was convinced that the reduc tions proposed by his Majesty's Government would not at all satisfy the people. He was Sony to hear the declara tion from the Chancellor of the Exchequer, that he could not say at present that he would be able to come down to the House to propose any reduction of taxation. Sir GEORGE MURRAY wished to say a few words, in consequence of what had been stated by some Hon. Members in the course of the debate. The Hon. Gent. opposite said, that the Canadas were governed upon a gar rison system. To show that was nut the fact, it was suffi cient to state that the military force there now was the same as in 1792, though the population had considerably increased there since, and the possessions of the Crown had been enlarged, not by the addition of new territory, but by bringing into cultivation that which had lain waste and neglected. With respect to the cme of the officers of militia mentioned by the Hon. Member for St. Michael, all he (Sir G. Murray) could state to the ]louse regarding it at present was this—that the case of these officers had been referred to th e p resent governor, the circumstance having occurred in the time of his predecessor, and he (S'r G. Murray) could assure the Hon. Member, that though it was impossible that these officers could at present be replaced, in consequence of their places having been filled by other individuals, there was not the smallest objection to their return whenever places should become vacant for them, and no stigma whatever rested upon their character or conduct.—(llear, hear.)—The Hon. Member opposite (the Member for Aberdeen) bad eentended for the reduc tion of the military force in Ireland, and had gone farther back than 1792, to compare the force than required in Ireland withthet maintained there at present. Though he (Sir Geerge Murray) felt perfectly confident that the great measure of last Session would render in time the presence of such a torte to Ireland unnecessary, he should not press for the too quick reduction of that force at present. The Hon. Member had also called for a reduction of the military force in the Colunies, and here again he (Sir G. Murray) would resoi t to the same argument that was ap plicable to the case of Ireland. Perhaps, in comparing the situation of Ireland with Jamaica and our other West Indian colonies, where the population was divided into two different classes, he might be drawing the picture with too strong colours ; but the same arguments at all events applied here too, fur it was necessary to maintain a large military force in our colonies to prevent the danger'and cruelty that might follow from the contests which might otherwise occur there. The Right lion Baronet, after expressing his full concurrence in the praise bestowed by the Right lion. Member for Abingdon upon the regiments of the line, expressed his doubts that they would be as fit as the Guards for the service which the latter at pre sent performed. The Guards appeared to him the best force for service in the metropolis; and Its neighliourhoed ; and as it was necessary that a peculiar body of troops should be always attached to the person of the Monarch, the Guards, he conceived, were the best fitted fer that duty. The Gallant Colonel opposite had recommended htie employment of native troops in our Colonies, and he ad referred to the efficiency of the native troops in the East Indies. But he should recollect that the circum stances of the Eest Indies did not all apply to our West Indian Colonies, and that if the latter possessions were garrisoned by native troops, such troops would consist of the worst description of soldiers and officers—that they would have no feeling for the honour of the British army, and that they would be swayed by local connexions, in stead of entertaining that strong attachment which always existed in the breast of the British soldier fur the country of his birth.—(Hear, hear.) After some observations from an Hon. Member whose name we could not learn; and a few words from Sir R. 1 INGLIS, the import of which, owing to the noise in the house, we were quite unable to catch, the Committee divided, when there appeared— For the amendment... 93 I Against it 225 • Majority against the amendment... 132 The gallery was immediately cleared again on another question, the nature of which we could nut learn, but no division took place. Mr. lIUME then moved, thst instead of 58,949 men, the number be 78,848. Mr. C. N. PALLMER was one of those who had re frained from voting with the Member for :Montrose (Mr. Hume) upon a farmer evening, though he had felt it im rossible to - vote against him. He had held a suspended opinion, fimuded upon the Lope that his Majesty's Mi- e , i , tetioa 0 1 he diere4 l it era. h. 14 ° sire Of r e liff told up proposed by eeptai?le to t iore so, !", rion .01 i (if r elict' t t he denied et, die idto ere etpu'rl leral orAtO he lion. viumition adoptol. ChAncell°l, lof exprlity r i qtr.>, the I t!rising rh;eh hr IS lint this I . r, e • .ir•terie) of defici t " sliorrio ssi' r fi r the st te ce of . thal 1,300,0 00 q lit Hon. Get wonl‘l s[, Nmpa red Aga !ould not ioration in of tarli rer for A' it nn oppo' Irns---ae; ty, tkere -on whisk' ter had xt", rednetio /airing) 0 0 :, w ou ld be:, rely on they wet. If there / 1 be differS, year to ye than to ail: '4B ANTafe inking fa - ' it, trona 11 ' :la one il t k ter, was ~ fide sinliPt, wolinou, in the 111 tßo nable !lie credit. the gni to rir,ol It noir at the 01 rent I pnblic be: N Weig": 4 l Ong op e pe!staAari 'vu ( 6 , One, so" bet wee° CUM eon' er. 13 6/ 7 the not iror iatuen t °, 'e derifo i Pi, so" tbout oo r nsessioti: of eons", gssion " rune(' 0 , xrancb 01 a expe rg ight, or tinted 0 isntneoe in trixel .!1 the of half credit of it that it in most thought respect , of that abuse' ling lik 6 pnblid rind for ) be fel' airienC e e 310 , ' • Gent , '.in the it r e liel i m Jebel ow in g rnmeno pree•eil Card co Ices ltnittro, date 01 is 00 trade' 5111)' so r" rr lid net, fund, tcd itg it ■ull -1t1) ins )f the igertt,e . K ~ Lard ALTHoRP should lie Ti. , ry willing to vote for a reduction of 5,000 men, but he could not concur with his Hon. Friend in thinking so many as 10,000 could be reduced. Mr. FERGUSON concurred with the Noble Lord in thinking that 5,000 men might he spared ; but if the amendment was prreeerl to the extent of 10,000, he alionid vote against it, _ . Sir H. lIARDINGE observed, that although the Hon. Member for Aberdeen had stated that the number of men in 1822 was only 68,000, if he had reooursc to his arithmetic, and added the veteran establishment and the Colonial corps, which were not included in the esti mates for that year, I.e would probably find the number in 1822 was upwards of 75,000. Mr. HUME consented to alter his amendment again, by substituting 76,164/. instead of 71,1641. A division then took place, when the numbers were— for the amend:ncnt, 57 ; against it, 167. Majority against the amendment, 110. The original resolution was then agreed to. Sir H. HATIDINGE suggested, that as the numbers of men were agreed ta, probably the Hon. Member for Mon tro..e would have no oljQetion to go on with the. other resolutions. Mr. HUME and Mr. Manaatr objected,—whereupon the Chairman was ordered to report progress, and the House resumed. The Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at Half-past Twelve. COMMONS—THURSDAY. (034ITTID YESTERDAY 7011. WANT OF ROOM.) Mr. PROTHEROE, in presenting a petition front the Ladies and other female inhabitants of Aleaster, praying ror the abolition of the practice of Burning the Widows of [Undoes in India, took the opportunity of asking an Hon. Gentleman opposite whether any measure was in contem plation for the abolition of that barbarous usage? Mr. G. BANKES replied, that although the statement which had appeared in the newspapers of a proclamation having been issued by the Governor-General of India to put down the practice had not been confirmed, there was, in the opinion of persons competent to speak of the senti ments of the people of India, a change in tl.e feelings of the native inhabitant, of Bengal upon this subject, which might possibly, at no distance of time, lead to the aboli tion of the rite. The petition was ordered to be printed. Sir EDWARD KNATCHBULL presented a petition complaining of rneral distress, from Romney Marsh ; and similar ones from several parishes in the County of Kent. Mr. STANLEY brought in a Bill to amend the Laws respecting the Leasing Powers of Ecclesiastical Bodies in Ireland.—Read a first time, and ordered to be read a se cond time on Friday, the 26th instant, and to be printed. Mr. WODEHOUSE presented a petition from the city of Norwich, complaining of the hardships which they suffered from the Duties on Sea-borne Coal, and praying for their repeal. After a few words from Lord ALTHORP and Mr. W. SMITH, the latter of whom spoke to the great respecta bility of the petitioners, and supported the prayer of the petition, it was read and ordered to be printed. Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from several parishes in Dublin, against the Sub-letting Act. The Sub-letting Act had the most pernicious effect on the pau per population of Ireland. It bad been said that the po pulation of Ireland was a demoralized population. That he denied. It was a pau: , er population, but not a demo ralizAl population. On the contrary, it was the most moral population in Europe. Ile ine.anced the last Com mis:sion for the city and county of Dublin, when only eleven persons were tried for felony, and the last Quarter Scssion for the county of Dublin, when not one person was so tried. Ordered to be printed. Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from the Roman Catholic inhabitants of the parish of St. Peter's, in Dub lin, praying that those parishes in Ireland, where there was neither a Protestant Church nor a single residen Protestant, should not be subject to the payment 6 Tithes.—Ordered to be printed. Mr. STEWART presented a petition from a gentle. man of the name of Anderton, complaining of the we'll of accommodation in the Law Courts at Westminster. PAYMENT OF LABOURERS' WAGES BY GOODS. Sir J. WROTTESLEY, in presenting a petition from Bilston against the practice of paying- labourers' wages by goods, requested the patience of the house while be stated the nature of the grievance, and offered a few observa tions upon it. The petitioners first stated, that in the town of Bilston, where there were large iron works, the practice of paying wages by goods was very prevalent— that if any labourer attemptd to seek redress, he war dis. charged from his employment—that the masters had re course to various expedients to evade the laws on the sub jeet—that some of the masters furnished goods themselves to the labourers at a profit of twenty or thirty per cent.— that others gave their labourers promissory notes, nod re commended to them certain shots, with the owners of which they were connected—that these practices materi ally affected the fair trader, who sais thereby rendered un able to pay his taxes or his poor rate—and that they en treated the House to put an end to the practice. He (Sir John Wrottesley) would add, that he was perfectly con vinced that the statements of the petitioners were true, and in no part exaggerated. The practice of paying wages by goods had in that part of England become almost univer sal. Previously to 1826 payment by money was the ge neral rule, and payment by goods was the exception ; but now he was sorry to say that payment by goods was the general rule, and payment by money was the exception. 11c was quite aware that the currency was not a popular subject in that House ; he should therefore confine him self to a very few rematke upon it. It was a subject which ought to be divided into four parts, all distinct from one another. The first related to the 13ank Restric tion ; the second to the Standard of Value ; the third to the alteration in 1826 ; and the last, to the influence of the Bank of England. He was by no means adverse to the return to cash payments in 1818. The standard of value being settled at that time, it appeared to him that much greater difficulties would result from altering that standard than by persevering in it. The alteration of 1826, however, stood on very different grounds. He was convinced that our currency could not he in a healthy state, while am oil notes were allowed to circulate only in Irelinad and Scotland. To bins it appeared very extraordinary that we were prepared to trust bankers with the lassos 0 : five, ten, twenty, and hundred pound notes, bait not with the issue of one pound notes. Much had been said o f t h e calamities attendant on the extensive f a il ures of country bankers ~ ,,boN f o a w i ledt l, a t e t fact that per the that o f th e seventy country iOl, the aver age di visional was 17s. 6al. an the pound. It was impossible, therefore, to impute di s ho nesty to them. The Right Hon. Gent. opposite had, on a l ate occasion, alluded to gospel 2 alterations in the banki ng system, and had stated that is 1 might he advisable to allow Joint Stock Companies. But 1 if those Compani es i ssued paper in the country, without I • corresponding establishments in London where that Iraper could be converted into gold, they would be rui-chievoo. rather than beneficial. A great many country banks!, , nisfers would this evening have come down with some satisfactory measures of reduction of expenditure and taxation. A reduction of expenditure bad been brought leeward, end be was thankful fir it. As to a reduction of tax •tion, there been an ninieeiiin which, he feared, s' , ould lie raile r called an admissi e u that no taxes were to be reduced. Tiiis would Le a grievous and cruel disap pointment to the mine Feoele of this country. They would be mortified and irritated beyond measure. The Hon. Member for Gillington (Mr. Barin) had talked of preserving a sinking fund. It was the first hu-iness of the House to sustain a sinking people. To save trey asood thing, but to starve was a eery bad ene; and if the House were disposed to go on, night after night, without passing some strong vote, the Session would pass over and nothing would be done. Let those who supported such a system look to its consequences. It had been said, let close who wanted reduction of taxation point cut the mode of meeting the exigencies of the country. He (Mr. Palltner) would net presume to financial knowledge, but he could not IrWp thinking that there were many modes of relief which hod strong recom mendations. Let the taxes which pressed unequally upon the poor and the rich be removed. Since the Member for Aberdeen had stated that the post-office revenue had not advanced, let the House begin with themselves, and throw into the Revenue the profits arising from the absurd privi lege of franking,--let a portion of the enormous sum ex 'tended in the collection of the Revenue be thrown into the public purse, and let the burden whirls must be borne be lightened by a more eipisl , listribirien of its pressure, by a well-arranged scheme fir taxing all the proferty ul the country to pay far its exigencies. Mr. HUME, observing Celt the real number the Com mittee was called upon to v.,* for was 81,161 men only, altered his amendment to 71,164.. He said that in 1821, he had divided the Commit- ee 75 times on the army esti mates, as the Noble Lord (Palmerston) well knew, for it had interrupted his parties; loft at the end of the session not one farthing of the expenditure was reduced. But an address to his Majesty was carried, and in two months after 13,000 men were reduced ; and in the following year, 1822, the number was only 68.200. Now, how ever the number was 3,000 mere. He held this oat to the House as a precedent. _ _ 4 t ',:., ) .:i'[; , :i. 1(.111 S A were deterred from itetuin paper, by the peee e en d ence possessed by the Bank of Rugland. In his opinion that monopoly ought to be abolished ; sod two ter mere Reel, ought to be established with charters and respor.ibllity. He (Sir John Wrottesley) had as greet en opportunity of observing the real condition of affeirs in the countei .most persona; and so far from obServing, any tend- ney towards improvement, be looked forward only with the pendency. The Hon. Baronet eoncludei by presenting the petition. On the motion that it do lie on the table, • Mr. lIERRIES would entirely disconnect the questien to which the petition referred from the suiject of the e'er rency„ with which the Hon. Baronet liatl - eoeavoureil, very ingeniously, but not quite avisfactorily, ter connect it. In .his opinion, the object which the petitioners had .in view would be - better promoted by disesoe • ing the matter without reference to any other :Tie than the grievance complained of. Of the diflictil fee which would attend the removal of that griev ance without en interference between the employers and the persona employed ; of the difficulties which would attend the application of an adequate remedy vrithont the danger of injuriously increasing on the manufacturer earl the eapitaliats the price of labour—of these consider:l.6o;T*. which were of such vital importance, it would net ;.-es proper for him, on this occasion, to a'temnt to enter ; the more especially as the Hon. Member for Staffordshire Lail g:ren notice that it was his intention, at a very early period, to move for leave to bring in a Bill, by which he hoped that the evils now complained of might he rernetlie4. Under these circumstances it would be worse than i•Ile anticipate the discussions to which the introduction of thet n etsure would naturally give rise. Bat, as the i!jeet, hail been mentioned elsewhere, he would merely cbserve that his llajeaty'a Government had expressed to those who were deeply intereteed in the subject their perfect dispooi tion to inquire into it, without, however, pletigheg thetete selves to the adoption of any ulterinr•tneasure. woul4 not go into the other question which the lion. 13.1ftliell had so unsati.factorily ccamected with the present. it'. reason was, that that was a question which (melt to be' discussed not incidentally, but on a due notice given. The sate of the currency, however, had no emmexiot with the grievance complained of in the petition. Thar, grievance had been complained of, .and measures adopteil for its removal at periods when no question existed as to the state of the currency. It had been complained of eve:, so fir bask as in the reign of Edward IV. It htel been the subject of several Afts in the latter pert of the reign of George 111. ; and it had been complained of in that year of supposed prosperity-1825. Mr. R. GORDON thee& that the question was inti mately connected with the currency. In some parts of England- rents were paid in kind, - And families in Lorelon received their rent in corn and cattle, or in what eratttelled truck. Mr. LYTTLETON thought that the goestion had no-- thing to do with the currency. On the 2Sth he would bring the subject folly before the Honse, and hoptli able to abolish a system ao pregnant with ruin Al drat paving labour ers by t ruc k . Mr. BENETT said that the dixtrent-tt were such, that many manufacturers could only carry on their business by adding the profits of truck to the gains of their other trades. Mr. BENSON said that the system had been effectually aboli.hed by law some years ago, and be thought that it could now he suppressed by Act of Parliament. Sir R. WILSON said that the system prevailed through out South America under the name of Bepartiemento, and it occasioned great mischief. and gave rise to numerous impositions upon the poor, as in the case of the priest'i making the Indians buy his cargo of apectscles. Sir J. WROTTESLEY &aid that hia lion. Colleague (Mr. Lyttleton) must be mistaken with respect to Lis con stituents not attributing the distresses to the alteration of the Currency. The petition was then ordered to be printed. LIST OF THE MAJORITY ' OP ONE RUNDAIIP:AND SIXTY , WXO YOTZA ioarear TEE MARI2I.IB 011, 1114111D/ORD'a MOTION, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to restore the Constitu. tional influence cf the Commons in the Parliament of Eng. land," Atkins Alderman Ashurat, W. Atmley Lord Alexander, J. Arbuthnot, Rt. Hoe. C. Arbuthnot, Hn. Col. Astley, Sir J. 1) Ashley, Hon. W. A'Court, E. H. Ashley, Lord Acland, Sir Thomas Banker, H. Banker, W. Banker, G. Batley, C. H. Buxton, T. F. Burrell, W. Benson, R. Byron, T. Barclay, C. Barclay, David Bright, H. Baring, W. B. Boyle, Hon. J. ' Campbell, J. Campbell, Archibald Cost, Hon. E. Castlereagh, Visa Carrington, Sir Z. Clive, Hon. R. Cooper, R. B. Cartwright, W. Clerk, Sir G. Courtenay, Rt. Hon. T. P Cockburn, Right }ln. Sir G. Calvert, John Caleraft, Rt. lin. J. Cradock, Col. Callaghan, Gerard . Capcl, John Corry, lion. H. Curry, Lord Colborne, N. B. Corbett, Man ton Darlington, Earl of Downie, R. Doherty, John Dottin, A. R. Downes, Lord Daly, J. Denison, J. K. Dundas, R. East, Sir E. H. Eliot, Lord Eiteourt, T. G. B. Estcourt, T. H. S. E. Fgerton, W. Ewart, W. Fremantle, Sir T. Foster, J. L. Ferguson, R. C. Gower, Lord F. L. Graham, Marquis of Greene, T. G. . Grant, Rt. Hon. C. Grant, R. Graham, Sir J. Hill, Sir R. Hill, Lord Arthur Holmes, Wm. Hay, Adam Hope, W. H. Hops, Sir A. Heiries, Rt. Hon. C. Heathcote, air W. Holmesdale, Viso. Hastings, Sir C. Jones, J. Irving, John Knatchbull, Sir Z. King, Hon. R. Kekewich, S. T. IKnox, Hon. T. Lygen ' Hon. Col. Loch, J. Littleton, E J. Labouchere, H. 'Langston, J. 11. Lu a s r l t ) ! n il" t s o i n Mr Mounteharles, Earl H. Moore, G. Morgan, Sir C. Marryatt. J. Mariners, Lord C. Morgan, G. M'Leod, J. N. Murray, Right Hon Sir G. illbank, M. Maitland, Hon. A. Morland, Sir S. B. Mildmay, P. St. John Malcolm, N. Norton, G. North, J. IL Northcote, IL S. Owen, Sir J. 10wen. H. O'Brien, W. 3. MINORITY WPIIN IX FAVOUR OP ei Hobhouse, J. C: Howick, 'Lord Ingilby, Sir W. I.lephson, C. D. Lambert, J. S. Lumley. J. S. Marjoribanks. S. Marshall, J. , Marshall, W. Martin, J. Monck, J. P. Nugent, Lord O'Connell, D. Palmer, C. F. Pendarres, E. W. Poyntz, W. S. Protheroe, Ed. Rainsbottom, J. Robarts, A. W. Robinson, Sir (J rPalmer, R. Percy's], X. Petit, L H. Peel, Rt. Hon. IL. Peel, W. T. Pee] .7 . _ Peach, X, Peachy, General Powlett, Lord W. lk, sir L. Palmerston, VIAC. 'Roberts, W. A. Ci. Ross C . Rice . T & Rice. T. .Stratharen, Lend Soincnet, Lord It. , Somerset, Lord G. Scott, Sir W. Smith, R. V. Spence. George Spottlawoode, A. (Scott, Sir James IScott, H. F. Sa.nclOn, Viscount Sidney, P. C. Saunderson, A. Sefton, Earl of Surrey, Earl of Stewart, Sir it 5. Malley, R. Stanley, lion. E. G Thynne, Lord J. Trench, Colonel Twin, Horace Townshend, Hon. J. Thompson, G. L. Valletort, Lord Vyryan, Sir R. Van Homrigh, P. Vernon, G. G. V. Villiers, T. H. Wa!rood, B. NVa I , a ce, T. Wood, Colonel Wynn, Right Hon.('. Wirrender, Rt. Hn. fir (.. Walpole, Hon. J. Ward, W. Wizram, W. Wall, C. B W'hitincre, W. W. Dawson, G. it. klanta, J. OD FIFTY.% Althorp, Viscount Menett, John Bernal, R. Birch, J, Blake Sir F. Brougham, Henry Buller, C. Burdett, Sir F. Calvert, C. Cholnieley, M. Clive, E. B. Denison, W. J. Davies, CoL Davenport, E. Dawson, A. Ebrington, Viscount Easthope, J. Fergusson, Sir Fortescue, Hon. G. Gordon, It. RR MOTION. Russell, Lord John hussell, J. Smith, W. Sykes, D. 'f.tylor, M. A. • Thomson, C. P. Warburton, H. Webb, E. Wilson, Sir It. Wells, J. Whitbread, W. IL Whitbread, 8. C. Western, C. C. Wrotietiley, Sir J. Wood, Alderman ' Wo-pd, John Wyrill, M. TELLIRS. Mandford, Marqu!f Hume, Josaph In the report of the prePentatioo of petitions last day, that by Mr. O'Connell for the extension of the navi gation of the river Fergus to Ennis (county of Clare) was accidentally omitted. We are glad to 'find that no doubt is enter- tained but that tie English Opera House will rise, Phoenix like, from its ashes hi time to ores, as originally istend,d, on the lst of July. The busines. is is Alr. Bate hands, who, arduous as the task may be, pledges himself, we understand, for its ascomplishment. It is confidently anticipated that the present opportunity will be taken to snake the new street direct from Waterloo-bridge north ward, which will afford room for aliandscine frontage to the now theatre. Government, we hear, is favourable to the plan, and a Noble Lord en the other side has signified that no opposition will be offered to it by certain aoble pro prietors, whose interests it was presumed o■ a former occa sion would have been compromised is the 'selection of tho line of road. SPORTING.-The forthcoming work under the title of "Field Sports of the North of Europe" in cludes a 'narrative of the Author's residence in Sweden, Norway, nasty'', Lapland, Deurnark, and Rumsia, with many interesting particulars regarding the inhabitants of those countries. The sporting portions of the work ex hibit, we are informed, a variety of carioca infOrmation re lative to the bear, the wolf, the elk, &c. and the manner of destroying wild beasts in slung, the extensive and scientific preparations for which, and the vast number of persons engaged, assume rather the appearance of a warlike armament thin the chase of the wild and savage tenant of the forest. INGENIOUS NO VELTY.-A CAL? WITH A WOODEN LEG.,-.A fanner in the neighbourhood of 'Frt. ney has had a wooden Irg made for a 911 which unfc,rtu nately met with an accident that was ioeurablc . : by ‘if suppl3ing a prop in the 100111 of ti,e natural member, he engaged the Till age carpenter to manufacture a ti , olkr leg of the most approred fashion, whit.), is actually ac complished, and the animal is oiLg. "as will as can ho ~ape ct ed."—lt is thosoltt that at the proper time ti,o wooden .fillet will fetch a rouSiderable per 1: ili pos e t, th,,d e ai r .lol, At:rant:iv t.f supplying wra , , m" p:enry 113 skewers into fist barga:g..—Li,robsid,re,ry. e rN If tbe iturft Toole I thaS 1