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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. 'HOUSE OF COMMONS, Fasirwer 19. The SreAxen took the chair shortly before four o'clock. Seve;al Members were sworn in. ELECTION PETITIONS. Petitions were presented against the returns for London derry and Clonmel, which were ordered to be taken into consideration on the 21st of March. Similar petitions were also presented from Montgomery, Southampton, and Ripon, which were ordered to be considered onthe 26th of March. Lord HENNIKER moved the second reading of the I:keener and Claydon (Bucks) Poor Bill. Mr. D. W. HARVEY could not allow the Bill to be read a - second time without putting the House in posses sion a some of its clauses, which he considered of a most *xtraordinary description. One of the clauses was in effect to make the children of the poor who should be the intsoceot objects of parochial protection complete slaves of the guardians of the establishment, as slaves in the West Indies. Power was given them to let the children out to b're during the harvest season, their wages not to be ap plied to their own reward or benefit, but to form part of the parochial fund, out of which the poor of the parish were to be relieved. Another clause was in the Bill which, if possible, was a still more barbarous infraction of the first principles of justice, that in cases where the guardian, or any person connected with the institution, should purloin any of the property belonging to the esta blishment, he should be fined three times the amount of the value of the things taken, but the punishment, however, of the poor for the same offence was, that they were to be taken up, and sent to the House of Correction, and punished, as if they had been convicted of felony. These two clauses had been introduced by the agents of the Bill, and as he (Mr. Harvey) was fearful that the Bill, with all its imperfections, might have passed without observation, he had thus taken the liberty of calling the attention of the House to it, in the hope that the objectionable parts might be corrected in Committee. The Marquis of CHANDOS gave notice that on Tues. day next he should move for the appointment of a Com mittee to inquire into the state of the management of beer houses.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. SHAW presented a petition from the attorneys and so icitors of Ireland, praying for a removal of that part of the stamp duties that pressed heavily upon them. _ _ Mr. O'CONNELL, Mr. MAURICE O'CONNELL, and Mr. LEFROT supported the prayer of the petition. Mr. SHAW presented a petition from the Conserva tive Society of Ireland, praying for the increase of quali fication of Menbers of Parliament. The Hon. Member thought if the qualification were not increased, at all events it should be enforced as it at present existed. Mr. LEFROY supported the prayer of the petition. Mr. RUTHVEN deprecated the increase of the quali fication, but fully concurred in its being enforced as it at present existed. Mr. GILLON presented a petition praying for a Go vernment grant to complete the Thames Tunnel. Mr. GILLON also presented a petition from the work men belonging to the Carron Ironworks, complaining of the present onerous system of taxation, and praying the repeal of the taxes on malt, hops, and soap, calling upon the House to take into its consideration the propriety of making some alteration in the corn laws, and calling for an extension of suffrage, for vote by ballot, and for shortening the duration of Parliament. The lion. Member also moved for returns of all offices in the army and navy to which no duty was attached, or whose duty was executed by deputy. The Hon. Member also gave notice of his intention to move, on the 9th of May, a resolution that it was objectionable in principle and inex pedient, that any spiritual or ecclesiastical officer should bold a seat in either House of the Legislature, and that all law or usage by which that was at present established should be abrogated. Mr. TOWNLEY presented a petition from Wisbeacb, praying for the better observance of the Sabbath. Mr. KINLOCH, as we understood, said, that although lie bad been requested to support the prayer of the peti• tion, he conceived it necessary to state, that if any mea sure, which it was contemplated to bring forward, should at all abridge the conveniences of the poor or working classes, be would not give his support to any such mea sure. An HON. NIEMBER presented a petition from the War• wick Political Union, in favour of the vote by ballot. Mr. GROTE presented a petition from the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Livery of the city of London, in Guildhall assembled, praying for vote by ballot. Mr. CURTEIS presented a petition from a person named Pitt complaining that, under an error of the re v ising b misters, upwards of 3,000 of the scot and lot voters of the city and liberty of Westminster had been excluded from their rieht of votino under the Reform Bill. The Hon. Member moved that the netilion should uc ieretfeo to the Lommittee sitting for inquiry into the subject of corporations, The Hon. Gentleman also moved for returns of the number of prisoners confined for debt in the several prisons of England and Wales in 1832, distin guishing the number of those who received food from the town or county. _ _ Sir G. GREY presented petitions from the parishes of Cavendish and Clare, in the county of Suffolk, praying for a better observance of the Sabbath. Lord WATEBPARK presented a similar petition from the parish of Kirklangley, in the county of Derby. Mr. TALBOT presented a petition from the inhabitants of Athlone, for an inquiry into the Corporation abuses cf that town. Mr. OLIPHANT presented a petition signed by 3,800 of th• inhabitants of Perth, for the abolition of slavery. Sir WILLIAM INGILBY presented a petition from the Magistrates of the Quarter Sessions of Lindsay, in the county of Lincoln, for the repeal of the Beer Act, and another from the same place for a revision of the bysiem of tithes. The Honourable Member said that the latter petitioners asserted that they only saw the rec tor of that parish when the time came to collect the tithes.—(Laughter.) Mr. HUME presented a petition from the Mer chants and other inhabitants of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, reTccti-og Corporation abuses. The petitioners poiat• e d out how Corporations might not only affect the, individuals living in the towns, but a'so the tomtrunity at large, and also the importance to the com munity that they should be well regulated. The petition was signed by above 1,500 persons, and was agreed to at a public meeting of the Guild. The population of the town was 42,706, of which 1,619 were free burgesses, but only nine or ten of them had anything to do with the election of Mayor. It was a self-elected corporation, the revenues of which, amounting to 34,0001. were wholly disposed of by them, although upwards of 20,000/. of that sum was collected on dues on shipping and coals. Although their revenue was 34,0001, a year, the corporation had incurred a debt of 100,0001. and within the last eleven years they bad paid 217,000/. to members of the corporation. The petitioners prayed that the House would institute an early inquiry . . into that corporation, with the view of placing the management of the fund in proper hands. He should move that the petition be referred to the Committee now sitting upon corporations. Sir M. W. RIDLEY said he did not rise to oppose the motion of the Hon. Member for Middlesex, but the cor poration of Newcastle had requested him to state one fact, in answer to the statement in the petition. The corporation of Newcastle courted inquii y into their conduct, not doubting that the more strict the examination was, the purer their conduct would appear. Till the Committee had instituted the inquiry which was prayed for, the corporation hoped that the House and country would suspend their judgment with respect to the debt which the corporation had incurred ; he would only state, as partly accounting for it, that the corporation had a few years back built a new bridge over the Tyne, which had cost 50,000/. _ _ Mr. COBBETT—I will only say that I believe the corruption of the corporation of Newcastle to be as great as it possibly can be. After a few words from two other Hox. MEMBERS ( whose names were not known), the petition was referred to the Corporation Committee up stairs. Mr. HUME presented a petition from a parish in Kin cardineshire, against the soap tax. He was satisfied that the consumer would be benefited by a reduction of the duty to one half of its present amount, without the revenue at all suffering.—Laid upon the table. Mr. HUME then renewed his notice for several returns he bad moved for last session ; among others, the amount of fees and stamp s on appo i ntments—t h e amount o f p l a t e provided at the publi c expense, f or pu bli c o ff i cers s i nce the adoption of the new regulations upoa that subject. Mr. HUME moved for a return of the expenses paid on account of Select Committees in the House of Com mons during the last year. By the return which had been rendered for the last year it appeared that no less than from 60,0001. to 70,000/. had been expended in this way in the course of 1831. The Hon. Member moved also for a return of the expenses attending the Select Committees in the House of Lords. No return of this sort had been laid before the House, of Select Com. mittees, appointed by the Lords, and i t was highly ne cessary that the public should know the extent of the ex penses of both Houses of Parliament in this respect. Mr. HUME gave notice, that on an early day he would move for a return of all the promotions that had been made in the navy since the last return, and an account in detail of the Royal Marine e.ita',lishtnent. Mr. JOHNSTONE presented several petitions from the county of Fife, praying for the abolition of slavery. Mr. WILKES presented a petition from Ashburton, in the county of Devon, to the same effect► Mr. PEASE presented a petition from the inhabitants of South Durham to the same effect. Mr. RIPPON presented a petition from the inhabitants of Gateshead to the same effect. Mr. Sheriff HUMPHERY presented several petitions from the borough of Southwark, against Sunday trading. Lord MORPEra presented a petition from Harro gate, Yorkshire, praying for a repeal of the house and window tax. Mr. H. GRATTAN presented a petition from the in h ibitants of Navan, praying for the abolition of tithes anti the vestry cess. Mr. PLUNIPTRE presented a petition from Broad stairs, praying for an Act to compel the better observance of the Sabbath. Mr. COBBETT said that a great many petitions had been presented on this subject, but he had not heard the prayers of any of them read. The Clerk of the House then read the prayer of the present petition. Mr. COBBETT did not see any thing in the prayer of the petition which the law did not already provide for.— (Hear, hear.) There was a law in existence which, per haps, the petitioners were not aware of, which inflicted penalties on persons who carried on their ordinary calling on the Lord's Day. He considered the laws upon the sub ject quite sufficient for all the purposes required; and felt convinced that the House could pass no Act on the sub j, et, which would not operate mischief instead of good. Mr. GILLON thanked the Honourable Member for Oldham, for having called the subject to the atten tion of the House, and expressed his concurrence in the statements made by the Hon. Gentleman. Mr. WARBURTON could not agree with the object of the Committee which sat last year on this subject, in putting an end to those amusements which the smoke dried inhabitants of great towns, so much required. He thought that a Committee should be appointed on the subject who would take evidence on both sides ; the last Committee only took evidence on one, and be thought he should be prepared to show that many of the statements made before that Committee were wholly without fouuda tion.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. HUME would recommend all persons to read the evidence given before that Committee by the Bishop of London ; that evidence supported the views which he took upon the subject, and did not at all tend to sanction the measure about to be brought forward. Colonel TORRENS felt convinced, that any measure was bad which tended to destroy the recreation necessary to the health of the labouring population. Mr. O'CONNELL felt satisfied that piety could not be increased by an Act of Parliament.—(Cheers.) There were statutes at present in existence which inflicted punishment on those who carried on their calling on a Sunday. The in9rning of a Sunday, by a man of religious feelings, might be devoted to his religious duties, but the afternoon of that day was required by the labouring classes for re laxation.—(Hear.) The coarse that had hitherto been pursued, tended very much to drive men into public• houses. Mr. WILKS was of opinion that the Committee should be re-appointed. Lord ASHLEY bad been one of the Committee ap pointed last session, and begged leave to state, that nothing at all tending to abridge the amusements or recre ations of the people had been contemplated. Ag that they intended was to render the laws already sanctioned by the Legislature really operative. Mr. FAITHFULL said, that a great many petitions bad been presented by journeymen bakers, calling upon the House to free them from the disadvantages to which they were subjected, in consequence of the manner in which they were obliged to spend their Sunday. Mr. JOHNSTONE, as a Member of the Committee which had been appointed, begged leave to say that the Members not having reed their report, it would be a great want of courtesy to reappoint it. Let them wait until they were euabled to bring forward their Bi I on the suhject, and if it was such as not to give e.tisfact on to the House, farther steps might then justifi 1:.ly he taken. Lord HENNIKER moved for certain returns relative to duties paid by taxed stage carts, &c. Mr. ROEBUCK presented a petition from the owners and occupiers of houses, in a place in the county of Suf folk, against the assessed taxes. The petition in general complained of the present overburdened state of taxation, and prayed that it should be reduced by the House reducing the enormous expenditure of the country —by abolishing the sinecures, useless places, and un merited pensions, which had so long oppressed the peot le. After a few words from Mr. GORE. L4NGTON, the petition was laid upon the table. Lord ASHLEY presented a petition from the Sunday School teachers of Bolling and another place i■ the North Riding of Yorkshire in favour of the Ten-Hour Bill, and the better observance of the Sabbath. Laid upon the table. Mr. LALOR presented a petition from an individual residing in the Queen's County, complaining of the conduct of the police. The Honourable Member read, first, a letter from a person who had been confined to his house by the police, who had refused to let water go into the house or food come out of it, because he would not surrender to a warrant of arrest of tithes. He next read a letter from a Catholic clergyman whose house had been searched for arms without any sufficient reason. —Hear, hear, hear.) Both the Reverend Gentleman and the first individual complained of the tyranny of the police, and the Rev. Gentleman expressed his con viction, that that body was urged on by high authority, in order to afford the Government some colour of excuse for passing the coercive measure in progress in another House. The Honourable Gentleman concluded by observing that if such outrages had been committed on any individual, front one end of this country to the other, there was not an individual who would not have risen up and resented them. The petition was ordered to be brought up and read by the clerk of the House. Mr. STANLEY eaid it was impossible for him to enter upon the merits of this case without ever having heard a word of it before. The complaint, as he understood it, was against the conduct of the police upon some proceeding for the recovery of tithes. The lion. Member for Queen's County, in presenting the peti tion, had unintentionally conveyed an insinuation that either the Government, or some persons acting under them, suffered improper p oceedings on the part of the police. No impression could be more erroneous. When the Hon. Member next brought forward a complaint against any Magistrate or person acting under Government, it would be much more convenient if he would give notice of his intention to do so. If the lion. Member would intrust him (Mr. S.) with the particulars of this case, he would take care to institute a full inquiry into it, and give the Hon. Member every possible explanation, leaving it to his sense of justice afterwards to convey that explanation to the House. Mr. O'CONNELL was glad to hear the Right Hon. Secretary declare that it was improper to form an opinion upo❑ ex parte statements. He hoped that Ireland would have the benefit of that principle when the House should be called upon to adopt the measures of severity which it was supposed would soon be introduced into that House. _(Hear, hear.) Whilst he was on his legs he would take that opportunity of intimating, that if any measures should be proposed in that House for depriving the people of Ireland of any of their constitutional privileges, he would move a call of the House, and repeat it, if necessary, every dty whilst such measures should be before the House. Mr. LALOR would in future act upon the hint thrown out by the Right Hon. Gentleman. Mr. F. O'CONNOR had on a former occasion sent to Major Miller the particulars of a case of abuse on the part of the police, wnich the Major informed him be had transmitted to the Right Hon. Secretary. No answer, however, had been received. Mr. STANLEY did not remember having received the communication to which the Hon. Member alluded. Mr. E. RUTHVEN should be able to prove at the bar of the House that the police themselves had introduced \Vhiteboyism into the county of Kildare. After some observations from Mr. RUTIIVEN and Mr. H. GRATTAN, The petition was ordered to lie on the table. Mr. S. MACKENZIE presented a petition front a reli gious congregation in Scotland, praying the House to adopt measures to enforce the better observance of the Sabbath. Mr. COBBETT observed that petitions of this nature came from various Protestant congregations, but it was somewhat singular that none proceeded from Catholics. Mr. O'CONNELL—Yet ❑o class of Christians were so strict as to the attendance at divine worship as the Ca tholics. Indeed, it was deemed a mortal sin for n Ca tholic to absent himself from divine worship. GRAND JURIES (IRELAND). . . Mr. STANLEY, after presenting two petitions from places in Ireland, praying for the revision of the Grand Jury system, proceeded to say, that in proposing a measure in accordance with the prayer of those petitions, It would not be necessary for him to trespass long on the attention of the House. It bad long been acknowledged that Grand Jury taxation in Ireland pressed most heavily on the in dustrious classes of the community ; but though the evil was universally acknowledged, great doubts existed in the minds of all impartial persons with respect to the remedy which ought to be applied. Since he last brought the question under the consideration of the House, be had en d savoured to make himself acquainted with the opinions of persons of all classes and of all political parties. For the information of English Members, he would quote from the report of the Committee upon the subject of Grand Juries in Ireland a description of the system. The Right Honourable Gentlethan then read a passage, which stated that the Irish Grand Juries were intrusted with the civil administraiion of counties, having to defray the expense of the police force, the maintenance of prisons, &c.--that they had the power of directing public works, such as the making of roads, and the building and repairing of bridges to be undertaken, and of appointing persons to execute them—that they levied the taxation which was necessary to defray the expenses incurred for these objects from the occupants of the land, the collectors of which were armed with the sovereign power of distress. This short statement would show English Members the broad points of difference between the Irish Grand Juries and the Grand Juries of England. In looking for a remedy it was necessary to bear in mind that the Irish Grand Juries pos sessed a civil as well as a criminal jurisdiction. They were summoned, like the grand juries of England, by the ' high sheriff, but, unlike those juries, they possessed com plete control over the whole internal local taxation of Ire land, amounting at the present moment to about 940,0001. He was wrong in saying that they possessed complete con trol over the whole of that sum, for a considerable portion of it was specially appropriated by Acts of Parliament : and with respect to that they exercised only ministerial authority. The chief grievance, however, was the power which the grand juries possessed of makine' c ompulsory a-sessments for the purpose of local expenditure This was a part of the system which not only afforded facili ties, but actually held out temptation for corrupt prac tices. It was true, as he had before observed, that the jurors wete selected by the high sheriff, but in the exer cise of their power they were in no degree controlled by the check of public opinion. Their proceedings were carried on in a private room, removed from the eye of the public, and the reasons for or against a particular pre sentment were not known or canvassed. There was thus no check upon expenditure, and in additien to this, each grand jury had the power of dividing itself into individual committees, by means of which it frequently happened that individuals possessed opportunities of promoting their own interests to the injury of the public. Another in convenience attending the system was, that grand juries had not sufficient time to discharge their duties in crimi nal cases effectively. Those juries had never, be believed, been charged with acting corruptly in criminal cases. The principal objections to the grand juries in Ireland might be stated as follows :—1 sr, that they were not acquainted with the practical details of the works to be undertaken ; 2d, that they were without responsibility, and uncontrolled by the check of public opinion in the discharge of their duties; and, lastly, that the sys tem afforded opportunities for corrupt practices. Un fortunately, he might say that it was not uncommon for a gentleman in Ireland, by his interest with a grand jury, to get them to sign a presentment for the making of a road, or the execution of some other public work, on or near his estate, and then to appoint his own labourers, or infe rior tenants, to perform the work, by means of whose wages thus obtained he was able to get a better rent for his land than he otherwise could procure.—(Hear, hear.) Those were points to which it was particularly necessary to direct attention in framing a remedial measure. Two years ago he had introduced a Bill for consolidating the laws re'ating to grand juries, which were to be found in an immense number of statutes. On the present occasion e would pursue a different course, by making the altera- tions first, and consolidating the laws hereafter. This was DO party question.—(Hear, hear.) It had been suggested that it was necessary to separate the civil from the cri minal jurisdiction exercised by grand juries ; but he was not prepared to deprive them of the whole of the con trol which they at present exercised in civil matters. He was free to admit that it would be desirable, if practi cable, that a more general system of grand jury representa tion should prevail, hut on inquiry he found the circum st inces, local and otherwise, of each county in Ireland were so different, that a general system of representation was hardly practicable. He proposed, however, to make a considerable step towards it, by making it mandatory on the high sheriff—the officer in whom the selection of grand jurors was ves , ed—to begin his list with one juror from each barony in the county, the number to be filled up af terwards according to circumstances. Then, a great and frequent complaint of the grand jury system in Ireland was the secrecy in which it discharged its functions. He proposed as a remedy that every presentment should be openly and publicly discussed in open court—(Hear) — that the grounds of its being adopted or rejected should be openly discussed and canvassed before the assembled county.—(Hear, hear.) Though he did not propose to management of the public money which they already pos sessed, yet he would introduce such provisions of the Bill as would operate as a check or control upon the manage• ment. An attempt had been made at an efficient control of this sort by the 59th George 111., commonly known as the Road Sessions Act, but he would not stop to inquire how far it proved effective, as he intended to repeal its provisions and substitute others in their stead, which would prove effective.—(Hear.) With respect to the se parate consideration of such presentments as would he chargeable on the county at large, and such as would he chargeable on particular districts or baronies, lie would propose that on a fixed day all the Magistrates should meet in special sessions, for the purpose of determining the mei its of presentments, and that such as should he negatived in this special sessions should be considered finally disposed of, while those approved of should wait to be confirmed by the grand jury. Hon. Members would perceive that this was an approximation to the English system ; indeed, he trusted that in the progress of society in Ireland, the Government would be enabled to assimi late the systems of both countries in that and other par ticulars.—(Hear.) His plan would obviously give the grand jury a confirming power over presentments—and, of course, a negativing one—but not the power of re con sidering a presentment which had been negatived at special sessions. His next provision would, be per suaded himself, be felt to be a salutary improvement on the present Irish grand jury system, by giving the class of farmers and higher rate-payers, who were daily increasing in wealth, intelligence, and influence,— affording thereby a pleasing proof of the increasing pros perity of Ireland,—hy giving this respectable class of per sons a direct control over the public expenditure in their respective districts. It might he said that in this parti• cular he might have gone further, but he feared the adop tion of the principle of election in civil presentments would tend to much profitless confusion. He proposed that one of this class should be chosen from each barony, or half barony, as it might be, to sit with and assist the magis trates in disposing of the district presentments—(Hear)— and that they should not be less in number than half of the members of the grand jury present.—(Hear.) He had stated that the proceedings of the grand jury should in future be conducted with the utmost publicity—(Hear) —and that with them should lie the determining the expe diency and cost of public works. As a supplement to this salutary provision of publicity he proposed that the grand jury should be compelled to sec , pt of the lowest tender to carry a presentment into effect, provided it afforded the necessary security.—(Hear.) This led him to the question, was the principle of contract the best for executing these county public works? Ile had consulted very many Irish Members on the subject, and, amidst the greatest contrasts of opinion on some points, found they all agreed in declaring that the contract system was the best.— (Hear.) He, therefore, would adopt it. He would prefer the machinery of control over the county expenditure by the appointment of an officer in each county—an engineer, to be approved of by a body of engineers, whose responsible duty it would be to attend the special sessions and the grand juries, and report on the expediency, cost, and progress of the several works in the county.— (Hear.) Instead of the present absurd system of oaths, no money should be paid till this scientific officer had certified that the work bad been completed in a workman like manner—(Hear)—and no work should be undertaken at the public cost, until be had reported on its expediency. --(Hear.) By this means the actual workman would have the advantage of a scientific overseer, and the country would at a little cost be insured against a useless expendi ture of its money.—(Hear.) It was, perhaps, unneces sary to add that this officer should, of course, have no local interest—say as a contractor—to promote, and of course, no interest whatever in the work he should have to report upon. Another provision of his intended Bill appeared to him one of no little importance—he meant that by which the country cess would be levied, not, as at present, on the occupying tenant, but the landlord. He was aware that no legislative power could prevent altoge gether agreements between landlords and tenants in refe rence to contracts for presentments, but this provision would materially check its abuse. The Bill would also contain provisions under which no payment should be paid for county work unless in money, not in goods, and that the accounts should he open at all times to the county surveyor, whose accounts, again, should be open to the Grand Jury. Though the office of county treasurer did not properly fall within the scope of the Bill, be had ventured to guard against the present undeniable abuses to which it had given rise (discounting, and trafficking, and jobbing with the county money, for example), by proposing a clause under which the grand jury would be enabled to vest the manage ment of the county funds in a committee, —the checks for payment to be countersigned by their own secretary. He had not ventured to introduce any provision for handing over the management of the great mail coach roads in Ire land from the grand jury to the public Board of Works, because he was not sufficiently acquainted with all the bearings of the subject, and was anxious to heat the opi nions of ptactical persons. He titre* out the suggestion, however, as well worth their consideration. These were the alterations in the etisting system of grand jury laws which he meant to propose, and from which he expected the most beneficial results. If he had not gone as far as some Hon. Members might wish, he could assure them he went to the furthest point on which be could count on a concurrence of opinion of the large majority as to its practicability and being desirable. He conceived his changes would be Substantial improvements, that alone by making publicity the condition of grand jury proceedings he was inuring the public against those corrupt influences for which publicity was the most efficient check. He would, as he had stated, refer this measure to a Select Committee, where he should court the fullest discussion, Tae Right lion. Gentleman concluded with moving for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the laws relating to grand juries in Ire- land.—(Cheers.) Mr. O'CONNELL would freely give the Right Hon. Gentleman credit for the praiseworthy labour which be had bestowed on the present Bill. He also freely accorded to his plan the power of effecting very many substantial inaprovementa in the present system. The Right Honour able Gentleman's statement was a true picture (as far as it went for it was much understated) of the gross abuses of the Irish Grand Jury system, which he (Mr. O'Connell) and others had often held up to pu'lic indignation. He trusted it would ba received by the English Members as a " Taste of the quality" of Irish cuff ring—(Hear, hear) —as a part, and no considerable one either, of the mon strous abuses under which the people of Ireland bad so long laboured.—(H-ar.) The chief difference with the Right Honourable Gentleman was as to the mode of elect ing Grand Juries. The Right Honourable Gentleman's Bill would continue the present system of making them the choice of the Hikh Sheriff, a wholly irresponsible officer of the time being; while be (Mr. O'Connell) would make the choice rest on the constitutional principle of representation being founded on taxation : that is, he would leave the choice in tt.e hands of the rate-payers. As far as the Bill went, it would, however, in many of its provisions be a most beneficial amendment of the existing Grand Jury system of Ireland—a system which had been too much abused, as a mere means of landlord-jobbing— (Hear)—it being notorious that there was not a county in Ireland in which fortunes had not been male by Gr ,nd Jury-jobbing, and that too, by their Magistrates and fine gentlemen. Mr. LEFROY could not sit silent and hear such a statement made, concerning the gentlemen of Ireland, as that just expressed by the Learned Member for Dublin. There might be individual instances of jobbing and corrup tion under the Grand Jury system, but he would emphati cally declare that such was not the conduct of Grand Jurors in general. He was glad the Right Hon. Se cretary was not, in introducing the Biil, wholly led away by the speculative novelty spirit of the age, which was as opposed to common sense as to the wise customs of our ancestors. In answer to a question put by an How. MEatnEa, Mr. STANLEY said that the county of Dublin was not included in the Bill before the House, but that it was his intention to apply the same principles to tint county as far as the different circumstances would permit. Colonel CONOLLY expressed his approbation of the measure proposed by the Right lion. Secretary. He could not, however, help thinking that one great evil had been passed over by the Right Hon. Secretary—he al luded to the heavy charge put upon counties, and the want of all proper control over the money raised. In his opinion, too, the salaries of public officers in the different counties ought to be equalized ; and it would be a great advantage to hold the assizes once every six months instead . . of at uncertain periods, as at present. Mr. F. O'CONNOR was most willing to acquiesce in the praise bestowed by the last speaker on the Right Hon. Secretary for introducing this me isure. With respect to the measure itself, he concurred entirely in all its provi sions--(Hear)—with a few exceptions.--(Liughter.) Colonel TORRENS rose to give his meed of approba tion to the Right Hon. Secretary for the measure which he had introduced ; he thought, however, that it ought to go further. He believed that a system of representation should be established with respect to the Grand Juries, but he hailed it as a step which must lead to further im provement. Mr. FINN expressed his concurrence in much that had fallen from the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin on that point. Mr J. BROWNE approved of the measure, which he Lord CLEMENTS should give his support to the Bill moved for by the Right Hon. S..cretary. An HoN. Mganicit (name unknown) admitted the ne cessity of some improvement being made in the Grand Jury system, but he thought that the taxes levied under it were applied very beneficially for the country. He approved of that part of the Bill which made it impera tive on the Sheriffs to appoint Juries from different baronies. He doubted the propriety of appointing a county surveyor. Mr. PRYME (we believe) hoped that this Bill would prove beneficial to Ireland, but doubted whether it would. He had long thought the Grand Jury system in England objectionable, and stated that it was in consequence of the irresponsible power of ignoring bills which they possessed that no inquisition had ever taken place into the circum stances of the Manchester massacre. The application of our Grand Jury system to Ireland would be still more ob jectionable in that country than it was in this, owing to the unfortunate jealousies which existed between the rich and the poor of Ireland, and which divided them into two distinct classes. Mr. M. O'CONNELL declared his approbation of the Bill of the Right Hon. Secretary. Mr. FITZGERALD would say that the measure brought forward by the Right Hon. Secretary would give great satisfaction in Ireland, and to none more than many of the Grand Jury of the county with whom he had the honour to act for years, for it would relieve them of a weight of responsibility which it was impossible they could exercise at all times to give general satisfaction. Leave was then given to bring in the Bill. EXTINCTION OF TITHES. Mr. O'CONNELL had given notice that be would on that evening move for leave to bring in a Bill fiar the total extinction of tithes in Ireland. Since he had given that notice a plan of Church Reform had been laid before the House by his Majesty's Ministers. That plan did not include any mode of relieving the people of Ireland from the pressure of tithes ; nor, as far as it was announced, did it show what was to be done with tithes, or how the funds now destined for ecclesiastical purposes were to be applied. As the plans of Government were only de• veloped in part, he felt that in creating a discussion on this subject he should be interfering with a measure which had been undertaken by Ministers on their own responsibility, and which had already met with the sanc tion of the House. He therefite felt that his better course was not to bring his motion tinder discussion until all the details of the Ministerial measure were printed, and acting upon that feeling he should defer hie motion till Thursday, May 9. Notice deferred accordingly. EXTINCTION OF VESTRY CESS IN IRELAND. Mr. O'CONELL had a'so a notice of motion on the books relating to a second subject—the total extinction of all compulsory payments of vestry ceases, or vestry rates, in Ireland. Now, by the plan of Church Reform an nounced by Ministers, the vestry cess was to cease entirely and immediately. His Majesty's Ministers were therefore anxious to ef f ectuate that which he had desired to effec tuate by his motion, Ile would, however, beg leave to bring in his Bill, and for this reason, that it being a sepa rate subject, a separate Bill would be necessary to get rid of the existing laws by which church cess was levied, and so leave the other great measure of Ministers unembar rassed by complicated details. If, however, the Noble Lord should be inclined to oppose his motion, he (Mr. O'Connell) would not press it to a division, but would, by leave of the House, withdraw it for the present. Lord ALTHORP said that the same reason which in duced the Hon. and Learned Member to postpone his motion far the extinction of tithes until, the details of the plan of Church Reform were printed, ought to induce him to postpone his second motion. He (Lord Althorp) thought that a separate Bill for the repeal of church cess was unnecessary. Mr. O'CONNELL asked when the Church Reform Bill would be ready. Lord ALTHORP expressed a hope that he should be able to bring it in the course of next week. PATENTS FOR INVENTIONS. Mr. GODSON moved for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the law respecting letters patent for inventions. The Hon. and Learned Member explained at some length the state of the existing law and practice respecting patents. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL had no intention to oppose the motion ; on the contrary, he would heartily concur in any plan that would give greater simplicity to the law of patents, and save delay and expense, consistent with the principle upon which patents were and ought to be granted. Mr. LENNARD was glad that a measure was to be .ntroduced whiCh would remedy the glaring defeen the law of patents. Sir G. CAYLEY would risen's his opiniopf tl e measure till he saw the Bill. Mr. O'CONNELL hoped that the Bill woutie ex tended to all parts of the United Kingdom. Mr. WARBURTON thought it would be irable, When the BM came into Committee, to refer it tt Com mittee up stairs, who might take further eviden' if ne cessary.—Leave was then given. Mr. E. RUTHVEN postponed his Mttiot lon return of the state of the Curragh of Ki dare till the 261 OFFICIAL INFLUENCE AT ELECTICS. Mr. ROEBUCK, with reference to the nion he withdrew yesterday, and which stood for to-day, daring it to be highly criminal in any Minister or otheservant of the Crown to use the powers of office at electin, stated that he had no intention, in wishing such a resttion to he one of the standing orders of the House, to t he any imputation upon the present Ministers. Soch i) idea had never entered his head. He thought he oug no t to be called upon to make out a case. If .his pro failed,. still the principle ought to stand. By the P----ro Bill nomination boroughs had been put down, and h intrt tion was to obviate any attempt to create nominion bo roughs again. He had also an ulterior objectrotally distinct, however, firm that which the Nob Lord thought. The standing orders were now deems vague and futile—he wished to make them complete all ope rative. As a' resolution had been put upon record ,spect ing the interference of Peers at elections, be wed to prevent equally the interference of Alinisters of the rown. He hoped the Noble Lord and the House would gi, him credit for not entertaining the slightest intention ea-st ing any imputation upon his Majesty's Ministers He hoped, therefore, that he might either be pernaitd to leave the resolution as a rule of the House, or to witdraw it at once. Lord ALTHORP certainly did say last night tlt the Hon. Member ought to bring forward some case a,inst his Majesty's Ministers to justify this resolution ; an th it as far as he knew, no such c 'se existed, and he was gad to find this confirmed by the Hon. Member himself. z did appear to him that putting such a resolution on the 2ur nals for the first time,—at least since 1779, wbichwas longer than the experience of the Hon. M. tuber or his , wn extended,--would lead to the apprehension of sometling having occurred to induce the H , 'u•e to take such a tep. It any such case occurred, although the resolution wa: not recorded, it was punishable at common I w, there Ore, there could not be the slightest necessity for putting the resolution on the journals. Mr. ROEBUCK withdrew the motion. Mr. LALOR moved for a copy of any letters of instrut. tion sent from the Irish government to registering barris. tern in October, 1832. ELECTION PETITIONS. The following election petitions were read, and ordered is.o be taken into consideration at the dates hereafter men tioned :—A petition complaining of the return for Coventry, on the 26th of March ; a petition complaining of the re turn for the south division of Northumberland, on the 28th of March; a petition complaining of the return for Portarlington, on the 28th of March; a petition complain ing of the return for Carrickfergus, the 28th of March ; a petition complaining of the return for Mallow, the 2d of April ; two petitions complaining of the return for Galway, the 2d of April ; a petition complaining of the return fur Weymouth and Melcombe Regis, the 6th of April. Mr. HUME inquired whether all petitions of this kind were to be printed, many of which were not intended to he followed up ; what could be the use of circulating calumnies and lies ? The SPEAKER said that these petitions were printed under an order of tl a House, with the impression that they were all intended to be followed up ; if they were not intended to be followed up, they might, no doubt, do private injury, and it was a subject worthy the considera tion of the House. Lord ALTHORP suggested that the petitions might not be printed till the recognisances were entered into. It was desirable that those petitions which were to be followed up should be printed. Mr. O'DWYER observed that many petitions to pre ceding Parliaments had been printed, the only object of which was to reflect upon individuals. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at half-past eleven. In addition to the Notices of Motions given in the Re port of the Debate in the House of Commons, were the following : Mr. Mathias Attwood—To present petition from the Merchant Tailors' Company, praying the House to rescind its order of the 18th February, for referring to the Select Committee on Municipal Corporations the petition of Robert Hugh Franks, which prays that the Select Committee on Municipal Corpo rations will extend its inquiries into the present state and _ _ management cif the tradine rerneration of the city of L0u ......_ let). '21.) Mr. O'Dwyer—Return of all fees charged or demanded in the Privy Council-office in Ireland, with the authority specifi cally under which each and every fee is demanded; toge- - , thee with an account of the salary or other remuneration payable to each officer or clerk of the Privy Council ; and also of all fees, if any, charged Or demanded by or payable to any member of the Privy Council.—(Thursday, Feb. '21.) Mr. Portman—Bill to consolidate and amend the Highway Laws.—(Tuesday, Feb. HOUSE OF LORDS, FEBRUJBY 19. the LORD CHANCELLOR was engaged till five Welook in hearing appeals. At that hour he took his seat upon the Woolsack. The Earl of RODEN presented a petition from a place in the County of York, in favour of the Factory Bill, and one from the same pl..ce against slavery. Earl BATHURST presented a petition, praying for a better ob. , ervance of the Sabbath. _ _ - Lord TEYNHAM seeing some of the Rev. and Learned Prelates in the House, gave notice that on Thursday next he would present two petitions front the county of Kent, praying for the total extinction of tithes. Lord BEXLEY presented a petition from the Jews re. sident in London and its neighbourhood, praying that they might be admitted into all the civil rights enjoyed by those persons who belonged to the Established Church. On the motion of the Nob'e Lord, the petition was read at length by the clerk. Lord TEYNHAM seeing the Noble Viscount, the Se cretary for the Hume Department in his place, wished to ask him when the returns for which be had moved, re lative to the disturbances in Gallen, county Mayo, would be laid on the table. Since he had made that 'notion, such evidence had been put into his hands as com pletely to make out the case he had then stated. Viscount MELBOURNE sail the only answer he could give the Noble Lord was, that the order had to be sent to Ireland. As soon as the return arrived in this country, it would he hi 1 upon their Lordships' table. The Bishop of LONDON presented tour petitions, pray ing for the better observance of the Sabbath. The Marquis of WESTMEATEI moved for returns containing the names of all persons outlawed for high treason, in Ireland, between the years 1640 and 1750, and the date of their outlawry. IRELAND (DISTURBANCES). Lord TENYHAM rose, but spoke in so low a tone of voice, that it was with great difficulty we were enabled to collect his meaning. We understood hint to say, that be fore the important question of going into Committee on the Irish Disturbances B II was brought forward, he wished to address a few words to the House. He considered that Bill to he a violent and dangerous infringement on the liberties of the people of Ireland. The execution of it, too, would be confided to irresponsible officers ; he thought, at least, that an administration of these great powers ougt t to be placed in the hands who were more within the influ ence of the law. It was, therefore, his intention to sub mit an amendment to the Committee. The Duke of CUMBERLAND rose to order. This was not the proper time to make such an a mendment. Lord TENYHAM said that he had also a motion to make at the present moment. He wished to move for a list of his Majesty's Privy Council for Ireland. He thought the country ought not to be proclaimed without the signatures and responsibility of at least six of these Privy Council. Nothing could be more objection ible titan that such powers should be confided to the Lord Lieutenant. He was willing to give his humble meed of praise to the Noble Marquis at the head of his Majesty's Government in Ireland, and he did not doubt that he would use those powers with due mildness and forbearance. But the Noble Marquess was not perpetual Lord Lieutenant. He would not remain at the head of that Government for ever, and they knew not what sort of a Governor would follow him ; they might have a tyrannical Governor.. they might have one like Sir Hudson Lowe. The Duke of WELLINGTON expressed his surprise at the tone in which the Noble Lord spoke of one of the most respectable officers in the service. He was surprised that he should throw out such insinuations against a me ritorious officer in his absence. The Noble Lord said that the present Lord Lieutenant of Ireland might be suc e,eded by some Sir Hudson Lowe. Now he h a d th e ho nour of having Sir Hudson Lowe's acquaintance, and ke knew that there was not a more m e rit or i ous or respect able officer in his Majesty's service, nor one more gene rally esteemed by those who knew him. Lord TEYNHAM said, he certainly was amenable to the Noble Duke's observations. He had, however, no in tention of aspersing Sir Hudson Lowe's character He had no doubt that his private character was most excellent; il he ,d s, n a ili tio!' but he could noe, under such a challenge, s tan d n capacity in a manner wh i c h caused all EuroP that ß S B ob tb , b house an an Ldw p ,c e e r , fo G r o m his vero , ,r dtit,tty St.ii che li nh ot ;d e l t ed shame upon him—as a man not fit to be trusted te"" _, d ie authority. Lowe. He Noble ii L I C: A rd T It was directly false, for Sir Hudson Lowe ha d ti c e _A vr manner much to his credit, which excited g o e ; iO5 probation amongst those who were best able t ie his meritL i n cao tr ufril ll da S tsg f iavge was st lo, a oe s h t ol remarksaoillteatsht to t to c h o as n t d i • : sa c t s f uair disturbance, but those disturbance. had ~,u rh eadi., even within these few days. When those di': h the of ItrjoerladoCd,LOonNlyCsUixßßorY s s e a v i e d o , that u,ere (7 o t oaf stthaete,dfielf:ltbtreeer. first commenced they could have been put doWl? Magistrates of the different counties done to7_ e et - Carlow, with which he was connected, iste:rbiese of the disturbed counties. When the d 0 ,100 first arose there, the Magis trates wrote to hitryitaid t t 0 what was best to he done upon the subject fl .t. the re' that they must enroll spec constables - tc .ir 'iti a ' r, he ard gular constabulary force of the c o unty.—(t ie we quee ee Thty had not followed his advice, in (1) re sort i ' l- ) i f iore wl s ' e ic v h ere it these persons sheuld be visited upon Pel bso set measures. d so n ro o s w liirwonasie hard dcestsharyat the had fallen into crime more from ignorance irehooo thing elsea If the measures with reaped to . i d b e: which Sir Henry Hardinge had proposed had carried into execution, in his opinion the t o ile* h ve frightful state of things wou ld riot ..a n _ He begged their Lordships to concei ve a aoctureiring. into the most private recesses of an humbled °, OO D ot; 'night be a subject of laughter to their Lordship* ! to the individuals who were subjected to it. to did nut require to be told by him tha t the fool' 0$ Idaenadreeposassessteh(elirthoewofeelcinougsotroyfmnanneednlty4 in ag 1 1 e21 4 1;0 1 Heart be therefore in the Committee, he would Move; t t he O ti , tl ,hose to whom the power of search was given br ' . 4 " came to a house and called on the names of chow teh °". 6 l l ,l • to be in it, those who did not answer 0100 ' deemed absent. By this means, that great power s i e er , was given by the Bill would be more inn,°,olo4 'Those domiciliiry visits even in the prese nt state o! could not be allowed Same instances had come to ho d 0 ,10 ledge of the manner in which this power h a Jo irer. under the last Insurrection Act. He had known an 4 , O . of female beauty to transplant a brother, or a lore" % i e es toolod in his way for no other offence than being o imself. He had also known a magistrate to °I I; or imprison a creditor, because he had asked for his l ot be was sorry to interrupt the business of the Hoot ore c ould not well avoid it, being one of those who h been looked u h p ad t e o n b e y d, the aad lowztlyoredrerresd,oyf etthe 1, itoitop oe l i:a l i , 3 ,4 be allowed that they should say that the Houseone could legia'ate in a different spirit than another 0 98, 4 1.1-11 !chaff of the people, who had had so muc h to O il - der them.—(Hear, hear, later.) Within those t sac 0 ( lie had taken reports of two trap o°. in the county of Clare, from the Irish Weil' e 1 0 4 them stated that itinerant dealers had genterfew' the chapels in that county, and had '-beriti acs w ani i ssr t el h %:.ve ar. n them hGdeohssas. dei a dt t ts their tewhnastts oh written r m ehi rat e :d e e meetings, o n nt g ito s tu: ro a ee pod n o d l iitenbete a o t t sht,:h t bte h i e sf i ca r Io no longer afford protection to the perP t e bte , rln o t tl il e!„, - ,1 such crimes. He begged their Lordships to L ." ,t passage in the answer, "No longer."—(Cries 0' (A, hear, hear.") The other case was one of an c e tbr , proclamation, which was posted up upon it de4 chapel. Tne ',neat desired a policeman to tak e re st e§ which he not only di dined, but did so with 6 g ,0J of abuse. The priest then wrote to Sir W. Gosse tt ' be -19 only answer that gentleman returned was, that nothing at all of the case. The fact was, that; e) t country the under places in the Governtoeo so filled, that even an angel from fies ve fe ri etie e . not fill the office of Viceroy of Ireland with sou'i l i e d that country. The Nobleman who at poten t 4 01 office had been most popular ; but the order, " 11 t o nated from him had been executed by his offitterl t ie; erent a spirit that that popularity proved most li: e d t e! The Earl of WICKLOW said he had listen off, speech of the Noble Earl, and all he would saY '' that it was the moat inconsistent and u ncon speech he had ever heard delivered in that 1 0 ,1 0 . 01, part of it he could not allow to pass t i ' t i e et.'„, servation. He could not sit in that House 11 0 , 4 10 1 ,,F expressions cast upon the great body of the 14 in Ireland as had fallen from the Noble Ear l '. iiot giving them his most unqualified c ontrol' ot (Cries of " Hear, hear, hear.") He b id, n • • a t AL.,61, Var. . 0 1 h, ;11 _ .oed times, nor ,ad he been so reuses „ with turbulent measures as the Noble Ear) (P e ' n r 'e 9;, lie had lived long enough in that country "„duc l ' 1 04 '" him to give his unqualified approbation to the c°'ilico l ' , 11 ty the Magistrates of Inland as a general body. " -1 / 4 ti t The Marquis of WESTMEATH &fended t b d e t Ar i 11 : 4 tC h a n' of the Magistr rtes of Ireland, who he knew ha a Ov duty. He denied that they ever wished to have t 13t 1 t1 4 1: 1 t dinary powers intrusted to them. On the conu l te rY :l I t ° N t l i • ttished that if any extraordinary powers were gir, n - a ▪ t t t , t 't t) -11 1 , 0 might be intrusted to other hands. Much ° u ''',, e ' u r t▪ t r Nly been cast on the Irish Magistrates, but he had neo,or dasld or heard one instance of oppression by them. I hi o lg ,: a nd that if they had sworn in the respectable inb a `' - oe ;'R le at special constables, outrages might hive been stclitor'll that had been tried without effect; indeed, P ar t , l 'ile tr, l I„, t succeed, when the very police were murdered t y ",, wi forming their duty ?—(Hear.) Not more thre-00/ Ntip e lkti months since, a gentleman's steward, r e turning; r° bi , ! ) ; lingar at 4 o'clock in the open day, was kiliva,' 0 0 , e:i t • C ° , l ' 1 were torn out, and his brains scattered about ° Je ri et. '4l k ` 4 ll bouring hedges. There were four houses not ov i r e° °C,i "t distant from the spot, and yet, when Sir B• r, Ot t er ,' sembled the constabulary, and tried to discover - $ 11Y; kll)t L ot t petrator, the inhabitants of those houses } '" ro ve tempted, despite the evidence before them, to k,„ki ' r; no such murder had ever been committed--"k nr lti t il :tl t while in this, or in any other country in the Me nde people would have endeavoured to forward th e d' 1 11 41 'e a. justice. iC 04 14,, 4 4)e The Earl of LIMERICK, in a very low toae'ati'v sated the conduct ot the Magistrates in the '4041 re i t toltl, • 4f County from the aspersions of the Noble L ord Sell I Of Lord De Vesci, in particular, he could deck v tltmio was inferior to no man in intrepidity and ene rs ,, Y o o ll" Noble Lord (Cloncurry) had introduced a cortesr,,,lll:; I tt 'tre atl 'tt maintained with two priests—with two priests, 11 ' el ich, t It N ,L 1 —from which it appeared that same Methothst ,10 1 , O t tliht by interfering with the meetings of the peoP le 5 1' 10 0 ttl i Ztto '' „ t ` and funerals, had produced much disturbance . • N I) priests had tried to check, but unsuccessfully' •11/0, ,asked, h o w was it possible that peace could P re lpt ▪ itd et 444 such proceedings were permitted ? Such a s tate th: vl with peculiar grace from the Noble Lord, cona ec oo;, to ti htf j P e was with the County Carlow, where an excellent d o/0 A N :11 4 11 existed—where an establishment was formedof • ,th 'f „ who excited the lower orders to insurrection • " bee k , t h . t The Earl of CLONCURRY, explanation, ° be 1 • ) ,' 1, !1 41 that he bad maintained no correspondence with:et 11, ' o'' tet,tiltil34l'l in question. It existed between them and 5 ,, f i ll (II set, who had answered their application aft r ' 1 ' 1 ;0; 1) tr,"‘ltd 'r \t ' The motion was then put and carried, aft er i f; House resolved itself into a / 3 ,t 1 4 r C , TenMrhge persons er T e .;c r o r unm E s i E iguohtnit O dcei N oirallvtlh T eme H ereap E alcisd l ne ß nwtt l oi S tAhs H uctsthp C eetc O ofit E rteab li tnat C ete i t ras ° ool,o t lo s i ? o meeting was held. f , kh,• ti Lord WYNFORD proposed to introduce I° ,o 14 V 1 that the authority already possessed by Magi' t ,' l ,, te#ll ;o l Ten s of l m e t n h a o s a t e t be curtailed e r ( d t , r a i t l i . e n h d t r ib ' y: i i a n o n i t t y l lutehsdincogl clauses u i ins s n t l h a s e: v ou u r e d b n e e t c •il ' ta r4 r: „ framed upon the 10th Geo. IV., and be inters u — totA i ji !bel i e ve, tt,' l , l th, , By one his Majesty's Government, when thd re , t ° ~.1 1 14 4 1 1 formation that an unlawful meeting was abat'j fof ,74, 4 place, were auttioriz:d to seize the funds collect; s ol 1 ) 1, meeting. By the other, the .Attorney-Goier toil:111 powered to institute legal proceedings sgsit° • ~,111 4 . of them, and to recover doub,e the amount' Vol `it .t 01 9 t, Great mischief had been done in Ireland l e y's. ° pi a i s s tt, ' sctiptions. Money bad been called the ' ll N th. 41, and he would say it was the sinews of ruiectde rti,„, •41 1 The LORD CHANCELLOR said that Ile 40, 0 1 t ''lt t le, „ kl , lll l • jection to the introduction ot the provls", pof. general saving clause effectually prevented th, e ote T ae e of trenching on the present powers of Wag' o f ~ g th l ' to the other clause— t Lord WYNFORD withdr e w his motions at th 11 1 , th 13 4 °141, 1 41 1t of a Noble Friend near him. Lord HAItROWBY made some obse rv4ti°ll'' Nil ki ore t i al were inaudible. b ed The 3d, 4th, sth, 6th, and 7th c lauses ukd er t passed without opposition. o,d p est 84, Oa the Bth clause being read— 't a e" l ed i t The Earl of HARROWBY thought el ) j . f te 4 eranancgt exceptthat, at in tia,epurosuclaalithnoeudr o d f is p tr i i v c i t n , e nl r b v e i ,, , l! ,:, oo l o ; Itt ;t 4 ll 4) 1. ! t th Latinhon figrest that tould clausebe strictlyshould pbre9bdibeletmeta meanor, be tried and convicted un der the Pria.e.ol.,lol th The Earl of WICKLOW perfectly undery kkis,