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S Jr - ctif;•T TICE SUN, LONDON, T'CrES-DAT EVEN - ING I :VEIIRIJARIt 28, 195'4. the next fortnight arrangements would be made for the conveyance of additional troops, doubling, that number ; and, considering the call made upon the Admiralty to pro vide for the effective service of the navy, he thought the house would admit that they had not at the same time been idle in providing conveyance for the troops. (Cheers.) With reseect to what had just fallen from the hon. gentle man, he begged to say that, if there wa s want of acco modation on merchant steamers for the conveyance of soldiers, the accommodation was ten times worse on a war steamer. In conclusion, he thanked both sides of the house for the cordial and generous support they had afforded the Government in passing the estimates. (Hear.) Mr. PERCY made an inquiry respecting the applica tion of the smoke-consuming apparatus to Government steamers. Sir J. GRAHAM observed that the apparatus had been under trial in the dockyards, but had not been applied to government steamers ; and the result of the trial induced 'aim to believe that, though the app aratus was ff ce nal in consuming smoke, it occasioned a much larger con , nmption of coal. (Hear, hear.) i nq uired w h e ther Admiralty were SCOBELL were not aware that there were some Ru ssian men-of-war in be Austrian ports, and whether it would not be desi a 1 under such circumstances, to have an escort to accompany our vessels conveying troops? Sir J. GRAHAM said, it was true that three Russian men-of-war were in the Adriatic, but he had great plea sure in telling the gallant officer t hat theyelvt7eat were not also three English men-of-war there—(cheers) — and, if were likewis e enough, two very powerful Fr ench vessels flikewise in the Adriatic. Those three Russian men-o -war had been in the outer harbour of Trie ste ; but they were afterwards hauled up within the inner mole, so that our men-of-war could not get at them. (Laughter.) The vote was agreed to. ORDNANCE ESTIMATES. Mr. MONSELL, in submitting the ordnance estimates, said he should endeavour, as shortly as he could, to explain the reasons for the increase in the different votes ; and he thought he should be able to satisfy the house that some, at least, of that increase would leave for future years a permanent annual saving. Upon the first vote, the in crease of the Royal Artillery was 53,0 9 3/. ; the Engineers, 20,461 1 . ; and the increased recruiting necessary for the addition to the forces, 20,1671. It would be hardly neces. sa ry for him at present, after the statements made by his right hon. friends who had preceded him, to give any rea son for this increase ; but he thought he would be justified in giving very shortly a statement of the condition in which the artillery force now was. He was happy to say that the schools, which for several years had beau pro gressively increasing, were admirably regulated. The Royal Military Repository had now in it a class of*i4 non commissioned officers, who, besides acquiring a know ledge of the use and transport of military machines, were taught geometry, mensuration, and all those other studies which were necessary to the discharge of their duties. The Royal Artillery Institution, which was an institution of more recent foundation, had this year been opened, and already it had conferred very great advantages indeed in the way of a thorough system of education upon the offi cers of the artillery force. So great was the interest taken in this establishment that the annual subscriptions on the lead of the officers themselves, which were last year 1531., had risen this year to 4201. A course of lectures was about to commence upon those subjects which were the most use ful for the officers of the artillery to be acquainted with — military carriages, polytechnics, &c.—and in addition to this Lord Raglan, the Master-General of the Ordnance, last year, for the first time, established a class of young men who had just received their commissions, and sent them to the continent with an experienced officer to visit the best fortifications upon the continent, so that they might become acquainted with those improvements in the sciences connected with the artillery which were likely to render them most efficient in the discharge of their duties. He did not know if it had ever occurred to any gentleman here to compare the state of the artillery force now about to leave these shores for the East, and the condition of that force which, under the late Duke of Wellington, and amounting to about the same number, quitted these shores for the Tagus in 1808. He thought nothing could be more remarkable or more satisfactory than such a comparison. In every singular particular the greatest possible improve ment was manifest. In the first place, instead of the small howitzers of 4 2-sths and 5i inches, the howitzers now sent out are 12 and 24 pounders, longer, heavier, more effective, and of the best possible description. In the ord nance in 1808, in each of the batteries there were three kinds or different sorts of guns used, which caused great confusion in the supply and expenditure of ammuni tion. At present there are only two kinds in use, and the system adopted is very simple and uniform. In 1803 civil artificers accompanied the field batteries, and were found most unserviceable and troublesome ; but now, instead of civil artificers, military artificers form a component part of every troop. At the former period there were no in structions for exercise, and every captain used his own discretion ; at the present time the most clear and precise instructions are laid down, and are in the hands of every artillery officer, the effect of which has be n to secure a perfect uniformity in the execution of all duties committed to them. The code of finance regulations was not settled in 1808, from which many hardships arose ; but now the finance regulations are in the hands of every commanding officer. Perhaps one of the most striking contrasts between the two forces was in the sort of horses sent out. Any gentle man who would refer to the despatches of the Duke of Wel lington would find that the horses which accompanied the artillery in 1808 were very inefficient, and were described by Colonel Hardinge as a set of broken-down Irish horses, taken from the Irish commissariat. They were utterly useless when they came into action, and their inefficiency frequently necessitated the leaving behind of guns at a time when their services were most important. The ar tillery force about to leave our shores would have 1,000 horses in the highest possible condition and order. Then with regard to pontooning, any gentleman who had at all studied the history of the Peninsular War would be aware that the difficulties occasioned by a deficiency of pontoons were remarkable. He believed it was only the year before the expedition he was now referring to, that in South America our forces were stopped for several days by a trench eight or nine feet wide, on account of the absence of pontoons. A sufficient number of pontoons would start with our forces now, and they would be altogether in the highest possible efficiency. He might mention many more particulars to the house, but he would not weary it by going any further into the subject. He had, however, thought it of importance to point out the greatly increased state of efficiency of the artillery force, which everybody knew was the most important arm at the disposal of any country in a time of war. He would proceed next to the increase in Vote 2 on the commissariat supplies, the greater part of which increase was occasioned by the extraordinary rise in the price of forage and other articles. The increase of price in that vote alone amounted to 158,000/. In the barrack supplies which were necessary this year he took an increased quantity on account of a miscalculation last year; 35,2981. was the increase occasioned by the increase of price; and the increase of 32,000/., was for the increase necessary to be made to the number of stores. Upon Vote 3, for the Ordnance-office, there was a decrease. The Treasury commit-tee, whi c h sat upon the Ordnance and in vestigated most minutely the whole of the proceedings car ried on and the payment of the officers employed, state that several of them are most inadequately paid, and, instead of a reduction, he was happy ,to say they recommended several of the payments to be increased. Upon Vote 4, the salaries, allowances, and contingencies in establishments in the United Kingdom and colonies, there was a decrease of somewhere about 10,0001. The decrease in the colonies was very large, and was likely to be a permanent decrease, as many of the establishments which had been decreased in the West Indies, Canada, and other places, were not likely to be again augmented. Upon Vote 5, the wages of arti ficers, there was an increase of upwards of 20,0001., alto gether occasioned by the increase of wages rendered neces sary in the Royal carriage and other departments, through the anxiety to provide an additional number of carriages for the ships now fitting out for the Baltic fleet and a change in the batteries of the Royal Artillery. The next vote was for stores, and there was an increase upon it amounting in the whole to 207,855/. Ot this sum the in crease occasioned by the new machinery which it was pro posed to erect at Woolwich and in its neighbourhood, in cluding the gun factory, upon which he should have to say a few words hereafter, amounted to 138,000/. Deduct ing that 138,0001. from 267,000/., 129,0001. remained, of which 79,0001. was for increase in price, leaving 56,009/. only to be accounted for. 25,600/. of that sum was on account of small arms, 6,8271. for gunpowder received on account of the equipments of frigates of the navy ; and there was another item for the carriages of the artillery, which had already been referred to. The next vote, for works, buildings, and repairs at home and abroad, was 902,821/. ; and of that sum 336,7511. was required for for tifications and other works already sanctioned by Parlia ment ; and 263,637/. was for ordinary and current ex penses. Now, that 269,637/. for ordinary and current ex penses was an increase upon the same item in last year's estimates of somewhere about 40,0001, and ho thought it right to mention to the house that that increase was mainly occasioned by the incidental items having been in no instance this year reduced. It had been considered expedient to pursue that course, though the system had been usually adopted of reducing every year the incidental items sent in to the different sta tions throughout the country, amounting to some 25,0001. At the end of the year it was found impossible without suffering serious injury, to take away this surplus, and applications had then to be made to the Treasury to allow the money to be given from some unexhausted sur plus, so that the apparent reduction at the beginning of the year was no real reduction at all. Of the remaining increase in this vote there was an item of 100,0001. for the purchase of land at Aldershott for a camp, which was to be immediately enclosed. The ground had been purchased at a ver y moderate rate, at sums varying from 10/, to 12/. an 'e, and at any future time it would be quite possible to realise any idea of the house with regard to the formation of a ca .._ :up. The next item he had to allude to was one of for a rac • shortly f a, practice range at Woolwich, and he had The ted the other day, in answer to the hon. baronet Ther us e n l Zei for Westminster, the reasons for that vote. wich, wheeZei',l for many years a practice range at Wool featly well until believed, had answered every purpose per when the useof some 12 or 14 years ago. At that period, largely incre ase 7 tan i upon the Thames had become so quence of the thenear, range was found unsafe in cense it was perfectly ease t. vessels continually passing. As shonld have constant of e, ial, how ever , th a t th e ar till er y f orce that that arm of th e practice, it was o f th e l as t i mpor t ance ossible. He thoughtcn sh ou ld b e preserve d in every way , p the, house would agree with him that no vote he had to pro, since to the service than tbiee was really of greater import be m ore cheerfully acquieece , d a i n e d he believ e d none wou ld was reured for the Abroad a sum of 2,300/. phaloniqa,i w hich woulderection of abe th e m garrison hospital at Ce eans of effecting sa ving of 190/., now paid. The increased an annual r equired at Malta would entail an ex accommodation 7,0001., and a sum of 10,000/ . weal. tenditure of a b ou t improvement of the defe n ces of St. if e eig e ni e red for the thought proper, however , merel y to ask for 2,501. this lt was 3,000/. would be requ ired for additio ns and alterations e s a a t tions were more imperative l y re q uired ; for absolut e ly the . cadets at Woolwich were ob li g ed to slee p two or three i n a room, and they had no place w hatever to study in. B y the proposed alterations every one of the 40 cadets 'would be provided with a separate room. A sum of 7,0001. or 8,0001. would also be required for increased hospital ac commodation, drainage at various stations, gas, &e. !Up on Vote 8, for the Ordnance surveys of the kingdom, 25,0001. additional was taken for the ordinary survey, and he might now me ntion the precise position of this matter with re gard to the scale of the survey as it now stood. The house would, perhaps, be aware, on the authority of the Du k e of Wellington, that the Irish scale was adopted in Great Pritain. It had been found to answer el:ceedingly well in Ittland, but in Scotland a ear or two ago a strong feel ing,arose against it —it W as either too large or too small — A h L e Oerieved it was consid ered too large. During last year e lemetion was submitted by the Treasury to the most scale scienti* in the count men tutad be ry, who generally 0 thoueht the t•s larger. It was now proposed by the Trea slu ry submit the question agtsin foe the tit • - iG tific men, and again to require them to state what the pre cise size of the scale should be, whether 20, 24, or 26 inches. Upon Vote 6, he had already mentioned that there was a sum of 138,0001, for machinery, and that he should return to the subject, as it was possible that, with regard to some portion of the vote, there might be some difference of opinion. In the first instance, he asked the house to consider the two items he proposed to take for the improvement of the machinery of the Royal carriage department and of the Royal laboratory at Woolwich, amounting together to 138,0001. Those gentlemen who had looked into the estimates of this year would be aware of the enormous sums paid in wages in these establish ments amounting, he thought, to somewhere about 75,0001. He was sorry to say that the Royal laboratory was at present considered in the light of a manufactory , in an extremely primitive state. (Hear.) The rooms in it were so small that it was impossible to have any effec tive superintendence over the workmen in order to see that they attended to and conducted their work pro perly. It was of the utmost importance that in any manufactory the order of manufacture should be consecu tive, that when a part of anything was manufactured, it should not be requisite to have it moved first in one direc tion, and then in another. At present that simple rule was not attended to, and on account of the insufficient arrange ments there were considerable difficulties, particularly at the present moment, in making this department keep pace with the demands of the service. He would ask the house to consider what the necessary effect of this was. He had already stated that on account of the present position of the department he referred to, it was difficult for it to keep up with the present requirements. The consequence was that the ordnance department was required to keep large stores in hand in a time of peace, in order that, not having the means of producing largely at any given period, it should be able to supply the wants of the service at a time when any great call might be made upon it. It was thus necessary to keep large stores in hand, and the result frequently was that a great number of the articles kept in store became obsolete, and, in addition, carriages became rotten and many things utterly useless. All these took up room, though, for the reasons he had described, without costing an enormous sum to the country. Many of these carriages could not possibly bo good for anything except firewood ; consequently, in an age of invention like this, when different discoveries so soon became absolete, it was necessary in any establishment for warlike stores to arrange it in such a manner that at any given time the stores could be rapidly reduced. At the present moment these two de. partments—the Royal' Carriage Department, which pro duced all the gun carriages, and the Royal Laboratory which produced all our projectiles of war—expended in wages at least 75,000/. ; at least, that was the sum put down in this estimate, though he should deceive the house if he were not to tell them that he pro bably might have to call on for a further vote. The new machinery would cost from 85,0001. to 90,0001. which at 3 per cent. represented 3,0001. ; and he was in• formed by the persons most competent to judge—by officers of the highest experience and ability—that this expendi ture would reduce the amount spent in wages at least one half. if not more ; so that a saving of 37,500/. annually would he effected by the expenditure of a sum the interest of which amounted to about 3,0001. In the Royal Car riage Department, which, owing to the efforts of Colonel Coote, whose loss they had this year to deplore, was in a more advanced state than the Royal Laboratory, there had been effected in this manner a saving of labour, as calcu lated on a comparison of the years 1844 and 1854, to the extent of at least one-sixth, only 895 men being now needed where formerly 1,094 men must have been employed. It was clear, therefore, that the course which they proposed to adopt would be a great saving in the annual expendi ture of the Ordnance, and it would prevent the necessity of keeping so large a stock on hand, and in every way con for the greatest benefits on the contrary. The next sum was probably one on which there would be more conten tion—it was the sum of 100,0001. for the erection of a gun factory. He begged the house to understand that it was not proposed to multiply Government factories —in fact, two Government factories were to be discontinued. At present Government had an establishment at Birmingham, which this year cost 5,0941. and one at Enfield, which cost 7,3831. It was proposed to get rid of these two fac tories—each of them, from their position, could probably be disposed of very profitably—and in their place to erect a gun factory somewhere in the neighbourhood of Wool wich. The Board of Ordnance had but one thing to con sider, and that was to get the best arm at the cheapest rate. (Hear, hear.) That, of course, was the only conside ration which could weigh with them, but at the same time ho should be very sorry that it should be supposed that he was at all indifferent to the position of the gunmakers who seemed to consider themselves aggrieved by what was about to be done. The question had been forced on the considera tion of the board at the time of the first introduction ofthe Minie rifle into our service. When the hoard was calle on to produce Minierifles sufficientforthe whole army, they would have been neglecting their duty if they had not taken in consideration the system which had prevailed up to that time, whether it had worked well, and whether, on the whole, it was calculated efficiently to supply the wants of the service. Two gentlemen of great experience and ability proceeded to Birmingham and other places where guns were manufactured. They reported the gun trade to be— " Altogether in a very lamentable state, and far behind any other trade to which it can be compare. With the exception of the barrel of the musket, they found the greater portion produced by hand-labour alone. At the bayonet works which they visited hardly any machinery worthy of the name is employed, and, consequently, the expense of a bayonet is considerably more than double what it may be expected to be made by machinery." For the last 10 years the Board of Ordnance had been en gaged in a struggle with the gunmakers. He would not deny that there might be faults on both sides, but ho be lieved he could show positively that on the side of the gun makers there were very .considerable faults. The system pursued by the Board of Ordnance was fully considered by a committee of that house which sat in the year 1849, from whose report the following was an extract : " Your committee made some inquiries into the mode of contracting for muskets, with a view of ascertaining whether any reduction could. be made in their cost without endanger ing the efficiency of the weapon supplied. Upon this point conflicting opinions will be found in the evidence. The weight of the musket is in great measure regulated by the length and calibre of the barrel. These points have been de cided by the highest military authority, and this decision your committee suppose was made on sufficient reasons. Ob jections which have been urged against the present rigid sys tem of inspection do not appear to rest on any valid grounds. It is the duty of the Board of Ordnance to take every securif that the muskets supplied shall conform to the ap proved, and your committee have not }- ...t that any _.,rs or other officers favouritism has been imputed to the v;-- employed in this service." In the year 1851 t040 __... were called for for what was then called the Miss, musket, and on the 26th of June, 1852, the foil_ ..Lug petition was received from the military gun lost makers:— " Consequences to be deplored have resulted from this state of things, for the men have from time to time embraced re munerative employment, as, for instance, great numbers are employed upon revolving pistols; and at this present juncture we could not rely upon more than 20, or at most 30 efficient workmen to execute your order; and we are sorry to say that the difficulties that surround us absolutely deter us from un dertaking to supply a specified quantity, and it would bo im possible to supply the quantity required." The difficulties with regard to the production of this mus ket were so great that it was nearly two years after the or der was given that the whole of it was supplied. During the last year there had been an order given for 2,000 car bines for the artillery, and, though the first steps were taken as far back as the beginning of March, the whole of that order had not been received at this moment. At the beginning of last year 20,000 new Minie rifles were ordered; tenders were called in—not called from Londonor Binning ' ham or any one particular place—but from all England, Scotland, or Ireland ; those received being unsatisfactory, were declined, and new tenders advertised for in the pa pers. This failed to excite any more competition, and Sir T. Hastings, the Controller of the Stores, a gentleman of the highest intelligence and experience, and one who was considered by all the gunmakers as one of the most just and fair officers, went down to Birmingham, and, having succeeded in making better terms, ordered 20,000 muskets t!icre. This was on the 26th Oct., 1853, and since then they had received from the gunmakers numbers of letters alleging various reasons for the non-completion of this or der. With some it was a general strike of the workmen— others had been unable to get rod makers, others had made miscalculations of other descriptions, but with almost all, for one reason or other, there was a total im possibility of doing the work. There was one part of the present system which the board had to con sider; and they had also to consider the price for which the musket could be made. The task they had before them was to provide a new musket for the whole of the army— including artillery, marines, and coastguard, the price of which at present would be something under 31. a-piece. They were strongly warned by many of the ablest officers in the army that it was not safe for the country to rely upon the existing system, and they turned their attention in the first place to the system which prevailed in the united States. There they found that the Government had in its hands three gun factories capable of turning out 500 rifle muskets a-day at 375. a-piece. They found also an ample amount of muskets in store, and the latest im provements of machinery, by means of which the different parts of the musket were made with such accuracy that the parts of one musket fitted into the parts of any other in discriminately. He had been told that bags of the differ ent materials of which muskets were composed were s sat to Mexico, and that, being opened on their arrival there, the parts were taken out promiscuously and fitted into each other with as much nicety as if each had been made speci ally for the other. That he believed was what could not be said of two of Purday's rifle muskets out of the same case. But there was also another consideration. In 1811 the percussion arm was introduced into our service, and, all the old flint muskets being thus rendered useless- for the attempt to alter them was never successful—the ex pense, of course, was enormous. But did they think that in this age of rapid progress the musket which they were now about to introduce would retain for many years the pre-eminence which it now enjoyed? And was it not ad visable on that account to devise some means which would render it unnecessary to retain such an inordinate number of muskets in store, and avoid the risk of the country being put to a similar expense as that which was incurred when the percussion musket came into use ? (Hear.) When the Duke of Wellington was Master-General of the Ordnance, and Lord Harclinge Clerk of the Ordnance, they decided that the number of muskets to be kept in store should be 457,000; but, without going to that enor mous number, it was quite clear that with the pre sent amount of production at our disposal, 300,000 was a sufficient store to keep up, putting the requirement of the colonies on one side. With a power, however, of producing 500 muskets a day, we should mani festly be in a better pesition with 100,000 muskets in store than we had been before with 300,000, avoiding the risk of great loss in future, besides saving the capital repre sented by the difference in the two numbers. The cost of this factory, upon the most minute calculations which could be made, was 150,0001. It should be observed that the factory would produce, not only muskets, but bayonets also. He had said that he would ask the committee to consider the financial effects of the measure he proposed. For the line there would be required 110,000 Minie mus kets ; for the artillery, 10,000 ; for the marines, 15,000 ; and for the militia, 50,000 ; the number for store being 30 0,000, or, altogether, 485,000, exclusive of the colonies and the East India Company. 455,000 muskets, at 31. each, would cost 1,455,0001.; but the highest authorities believed that the musket might be produced for P. 10s. He had stated that the price for which the musket was produced in the United States was 37;4. each ; but, consi dering the i m p rovemen t s w hi c h it was believed by th ose best competent to form an opinion on the subject—by those who were engaged in designs for the factory--could be made on the American machinery, he was prepared to ex press the belief that the musket could bo produced at the proposed factory for 30s. (Hear.) Taking this estimate, the saving that wo u ld b e e ff ected upon th e p rev ious es ti ma t e he had stated, of 31, each, would be 727,500 1 . But further, he had mentioned that by means of the proposed system the store, in tiwo of peace, could be diminished by 200,000 the difference resulting from which would represent a capi tal of 600,0001. in favour of the public, the interest upon which would be a considerable and permanent saving. All this advantage would be realised by the outlay of 150,0001., from which, moreover, was to be deducted whatever the present establishments at Birmingham and Enfield might produce when sold. (Hear.) All these Minie rifles must have new bayonets; 485,000 bayonets at 7s. 6d., the ordi nary price, would cost 181,875 1 .; but it was calculated that at the factory they could be produced for ls. 6d. each, which would amount to only 36,3751., or a difference in fa vour of the public, by means of the factory, of not less than 145,5001. (Hear, hear.) When, upon the authority of Mr. Anderson, the same gentleman who had effected such enor mous savings in the royal carriage department, he could show the committee that, by the expenditure of the pro posed 150,0001., such a large amount of arms could be pro duced at such a vast reduction of cost, he felt that Lord Raglan was, indeed, perfectly right in considering the mat ter now before the committee as one of the very highest importance to the public service, as pre-eminently condu cive to the permanent safety and well-being of the coun try. Under these circumstances, he hoped the committee would pass this vote unanimously. (Hear.) He had stated that he did not conceive the proposed arrangement would do the injury to the gun trade of this country which that trade anticipated. Let it be borne in mind that our gun trade was at present in a very low condition, whereas that of the United States was in a very advanced state. In the report which was presented to the house the other day, with regard to the machinery department of the United States Great Exhibition, it was stated that the gun trade of America was in a very high condition, and there seemed every reason to fear that, unless our gun trade became im mensely improved, the whole trade would be transferred to the United States. Under such circumstances, to have a really good machinery fur the construction of guns in troduced to the observation of the gunmakers of England, whether by Government or by individuals, could not be other than a public benefit. (Hear.) How stood the gun trade of England now ? In 1851 we exported 247,226 mus kets ' • in 1853 the number had fallen to 238,767. But now, turn to pistols. In 1851 we exported 5,333 pistols ; in 1853 we exported 22,235 pistols, or more than treble the number we exported in 1851. (Hear.) How had this happened ? Why, because Colonel Colt had introduced among us this very system of machinery, by means of which, producing pistols of admirable quality at a cheap rate, we had been enabled to effect so largely increased a demand for our pistols—surely a benefit to the gnu trade of the country, which, with regard to muskets, had under gone deterioration. It was his opinion, that by the intro duction, in like manner, of improvements in the construc tion of muskets, the Government would be benefiting our gun trade far. more than the stoppage of the intermittent Government contracts would injure it; for those improvements would continue, and enlarge for the trade the whole market of Europe. (Hear, hear.) He trusted that he had now satisfied the committee, and that he should satisfy the deputation who had waited on him from the gunmakers, that the proposal he had made as to a Government factory would largely benefit the public, without sacrificing the permanent interests of the small number of persons whom the deputation represented. (Hear, hear.) The hon. gentleman then moved that 19,266 men be voted for the Ordnance department for the service of the year. Mr. MUNTZ said that the hon. gentleman had said a good deal that was perfectly correct, but ho had also omitted to mention much that would have been equally correct. The great cause of all the complaints on the part of the Ordnance as against the Birmingham manufacturers had been the Minie rifle, which, as being a weapon that the manufacturers had only just become acquainted with, the Ordnance officers themselves knowing very little more about it than the manufacturers, necessarily occasioned delays and difficulties in the commencement of its manu facture. (Hear.) The hon. gentleman talked of making for 30s. a gun that cost in the ordinary way 31., but there still remained the question as to the quality of the article. As to the competency of the Birmingham factories to pro duce as many guns as were wanted, let the manufacturers have consecutive orders, and they would execute them to the largest required amount. (Hear, hear.) Another great cause of delay was the inconvenience with which the manufacturers had to contend from the way in which the tenders were given out, a number of them being issued at the same time to different manufacturers, and no new ones sent out until all the former ones had been completed, so that often many of the manufacturers who had disposed of their part of the tender were at a stand-still for work. (Hear, hear.) His firm opinion was that there was no difficulty whatever to procure any amount of arms that were required, and that without going to America, or any other country for them than our own. (Hear, hear.) He suggested that the vote relative to this matter should be suspended for two months, with which time he would undertake to give ample proof to the house that our manufacturers were fully able to produce any amount of arms that might be considered requisite within the required time ; and, if he could not within such time produce such proof, he would offer no further opposition to the suggestion of Government. He thought it would be the greatest folly to rush into erecting a mill in the way recommended, and he felt convinced that, even if such a mill were allowed to be made, no arms would be got oat of it for at least two years ; and, in his opinion, nothing at all would be gained by it, except an additional and a useless expense. (Ch:ers.) The CHAIRMAN reminded the hon. member for Bir mingham that the question now before the house was, not as to the expediency of establishing a mill, but the esti mates as to the number of men. (Hear, hear.) Colonel DUNNE could bear testimony to the efficiency of the artillery troops, which be considered to be equal to any artillery in Europe. He thought the improvements contemplated with reference to the practice at Woolwich most advantageous, as the present grounds were certainly not sufficient for field guns, for which, if a proper range could be obtained it would be of the greatest service to the corps. He considered that the question as to the manufacture of small arms was one of the highest importance, and one which ought not to be lightly or hastily disposed of. He should like also to see the improvements suggested carried out in the laboratory, inasmuch as he believed them to be necessary ; and nothing Would please him more than to see the present estimates framed upon a basis at op,e; efficient and perfect, and such as was not lonly but necessary in a time of emergency like the °se au : Mr. WILLIAMS could not heln the very large increase in the number of la the ordnance corps and departments, which c t c o u .ne year, immediately preceding 1845 amounted -`y to abova 1,000 or 8,000 in 1845, to e present year, according to the proposed e 4 9,f; 000iLebs.: (Hear, bear.) He thought the charge of 8,5001. for the servants of the officers in the En gineers a very lar g e sum, and also the amount of 120,0001. fur additional aidand allowance one thatwasoutof all pro portion. He should be very glad to see the improve ments which had been spoken of carried out i • but at the same time it was necessary that the house should use the greatest care in voting these estimates. The vote was then agreed to. The next vote was, that a sum of 902,8171. be granted for the pay, allowance, and contingency of 19,266 officers and men composing the Ordnance military corps. Mr. DRUMMOND said, as the subject of great coats had been mentioned, and as everybody followed French fashions now-a-days he begged to point out—while ex pressing his satisfaction at the more comfortable clothing which they were going to give the troops—a very com mendable custom that prevailed in the French army. In every sentry-box in France there was a large cloak, in ad dition to the great coat of the soldier, and the use of this cloak was considered by the medical men of France to be of great advantage to the men. (Hear.) This was a mat ter well worth consideration. He must say that he cor dially concurred in the proposal that the system of clothing by the colonels should be altogether abolished. (Hear.) The vote was then agreed to. On 557,1761. being proposed for commissariat or bar racks supply, Colonel GILPIN called attention to the miserable ac commodation given in barracks to married soldiers. The wives of soldiers were not permitted to live in the barracks unless they had certificates of respectability, and when re spectable women were thus introduced, it was exceedingly wrong to give them the sort of accommodation they now had in the midst of 20 or 30, or, as he had seen the other clay, GO men. He hoped the attention of the hon. member for Limerick would be turned to the case of these unfortu nate women, and that some better arrangement would be adopted. ( Hear.) Sir W. CLAY likewise referred to the disgraceful accom modation given to married women in barracks, and pointed out the want of proper ventilation, which might for a very small sum be rectified in any barrack in the kingdom, also the want of adequate library accommodation, the soldiers from want of reading-rooms being compelled to read in the dining-hall, or their bedrooms, or else take refuge in the can teen. He likewise pointed out the necessity that existed for providing washing-rooms and decent utensils to wash in fur the soldiers. All these were of importance to the health and comfort of the soldier, and, though apparently trifling, were well worthy the attention of the Govern ment. (Hear, hear.) Mr. MONSELL sympathised with the kind wishes which had been expressed for the comfort of the soldiers, but he was sure hon. gentlemen must see how difficult it was to carry out the views which had been put forth. In all the new barracks the accommodation for married women had been much improved, as, indeed, were the comforts of the soldier generally ; but, in the case of the old barracks, great difficulty was experienced in making the required alterations. Colonel GILPIN suggested that, as in the case of the colour-sergeants, partitions might be put up for the benefit of married soldiers. Lord SEYMOUR said, it would appear that the house had either been niggardly in supplying the wants of the soldier, or that the money which it voted had been very ill-spent. It was shown before the Committee on the Ord nance Estimates that great improvements had of late years taken place in the accommodations of the soldier. It was there stated that the accommodation had increased to that extent that the cost of supplying it for the soldiers in bar-1 racks amounted to 1001. a man. Now, if that was so, the soldier should certainly be very , well supplied and well lodged. (Hear, hear.) They had been told that the Rol diers had no means of washing themselves in barracks, but 1 he remembered that a large sum was voted for this very purpose when the subject of lavatories was brought for ward by Lord Panmure, and there was a sum taken every year for washing in the new barracks, so that, so far from grudging good accommodation to the soldiers, the had been most liberal on their behalf. (Hear.) No blame, there fore, attached to that house, though he was unable to say how the accommodation had been carried out by the proper officers. (Hear.) After a few words from Mr. S. lirrox, The vote was agreed to, as were the following : 73,719/. salaries and contingencies of the Ordnance-office, Pal l-mall. 281,6451., salaries and contingencies of establishments in the United Kingdom and the colonies. 162,3341., wages of artificers, labourers, and. others, at the several establishments in the United Kingdom and colonies. vv On the vote of 639,5521. for Ordnance stores for land and sea service. _ _ _ Mr. MUNTZ suggested the postponement of this vote. Mr. MONSELL said, that a postponement was impos sible. Mr. NEWDEGATE wished, in reference to that portion of this vote which was for machinery and buildings for the manufacture of small arms, to call the attention of the house to a document which was signed by several of the most respectable firms in Birmingham. Those who had signed this document on behalf of the gun trade undertook, if the Board of Ordnance would enter into a contract, to supply 150,000 rifle muskets within eighteen months, in addition to the orders already in course of execution. Now if the Government proclaimed to the gun trade that they were to be cast aside, then it could not be expected that they would make the exertions which they tad done on former occasions. It might be said that this document was very well so far as it went, but that there was no guaran tee that its promises could be carried out. Now, from a paper which had been published, it appeared that from the year 1845 to 1849 the annual number of muskets turned out was 274,000. The consequence of the present system was this—that foreign soldiers, who were armed froth Birmingham, we better Aupplie4l than thou in our own army. Much of the present feeling against Birming ham grinmakers had arisen-from the conduct of the Messrs. Lovell. Mr. Lovell, who presided at the establishment at Enfield, had a son who was appointed inspector at Bir mingham, and this son, naturally perhaps desiring to raise the importance of the place over which his father presi- 1 ded, had found fault with the arms furnished by Bir mingham houses where no blame justly attached. Mus kets had been returned as faulty which, upon being a second time sent in, had been passed as correct. In another instance 23,000 Minie rifles, which were furnished by Birmingham, were crooked-sighted through the im proper conduct of the inspector. The real truth of the matter Was, that the Ordnance Board for many years was asleep, while the French Government were taking every means, aided by scientific men, to improve their arms. A t length the board awoke, ordered a large quantity of Minie rifles, but was so imperfectly, or rather improperly se conded by its own officer that these rifles had actually to be returned, and almost re-manufactured, before they were fit for use. Now, however, that a more proper in spector was appointed, the Government ought to pause and consider before going to the expense of a large establish ment, whether the existing manufacturers could not as well or better supply their wants. If the hon. member (Mr. Muntz) divided, he (Mr. Newdegate) should give him his support. Lord JOCELYN thought that the matter really before the house was whether the present establishment could or could not be consolidated and improved. That there was room for improvement was manifest from the fact that, after an improved rifle had been ordered, it was nearly three years before the corps for which it had been ordered were supplied with it. It appeared to him that the argu ment that had been used proved the advantage of having but one estoblishment for the use of arms. And he believ ed that would enable them to get rid of the establishment. (Laughter.) He thought so because it would be such a stimulus to private enterprise that great improvements would be effected. He should support the Government in this vote. Mr. MUNTZ observed that the Government had no ma nufactory now, all they had was a proof-house and a view house. Therefore, the effect would be just this : that Go vernment would take upon themselves the manufacture of arms instead of their being manufactured at Birmingham. The hon , gentleman said, American guns could be manu factured for 38s. ; but he could inform the hon. gentleman that the same guns could be manufacturec in this country for 20s. to 30s. ; but after all they were not Minie rifles. Mr. GEACH said this was not entirely a question for Birmingham, but whether the Government was to turn manufacturer and put itself in competition with private enterprise in a country where private enterprise had done more than in any other country in the world. The honourable gentleman, the Clerk of the Ordnance, said it was necessary that Government should take upon themselves to supply the arms, that they should not depend on other parties to supply them, and he also said it would be a pattern to the trade. Now, there was no other Government that ha.d a manufacture to give them a pattern, and he believed that if manufacturers depended oa Government patterns they would not sit long in that house, for a bankrupt was not entitled to sit in the house. Nothing was more amusing to a manufacturer than to walk through a Government establishment and to compare it with his own, and at the same time to listen to the lau dations on the machinery, and to persons pointing out what the manufacturers should do in order to be perfect. The hon. gentleman had referred to a gentleman of scien tific acquirements who was to guide them. Why he (Mr. Geach) was at a meeting of civil engineers months ago, when this same gentleman - (cries of Name "—Mr. An derton, was speaking of the size of ships, and he advised them not to have very large ships, saying they would go slower, and only serve to stow away more fuel. Well, within two months there was landed the Himalaya, and the Government were now glad enough to avail them selves of the Himalaya to carry troops She was the largest ship that was ever built, the most effective, and the most economical. The hon. gentleman had had but little expe rience in the department in which he was placed, but he was made to feel all the inconveniences of the want of supply. Everything was reported to him to show the de ficiency, but there might be explanations which, if they were reported to him at the same time, would put a dif ferent complexion on the matter. If they once got one of these Government establishments, they would never hear of any difficulty ; the officers and men would believe it was all perfection. If Government had exhausted all the means for procuring a supply from private manufacturers there might be some excuse for asking for a sum to esta blish a Government manufactory to compete with a large trade ; but they had not exhausted all those means. He believed that if a merchant were to have on order for 10,000 stand of ernes hewould get them, where Government by their system, had not been able to do so, Mr. MONSELL thought the hon. gentleman who had just sat down had misrepresented in several particulars the proposarthat he made to the house. For instance, he had spoken of Mr. Anderton, a gentleman with whom they had nothing to do. The gentleman of whom he (Mr. Monsell) spoke was Mr. Anderson. (A laugh.) Then the hon. gentleman said if Government had this establishment they would let the thing go on, and would declare it the most admirable thing in the world. The hon. gentleman might not have been in the house when he had the honour of bringing forward a proposition to improve the laboratory and carriage department at Woolwich. That showed that the laudations of which the hon. gentleman spoke were not all shared in by the Government. Upon the question of the cheapest manner of doing the Government work no hon. gentleman had addressed one word. The hon. mem ber for Birmingham asked him if the musket manufactured in America was an Indian rifle. He did riot know, but it was a celebrated rifle for the execution that it did. But he altogether mistook him, for he (Mr. Monsell) reste4;:l case on the American rifle costing the America „" to that went only 375., and he stated that • ca ' c riTeture it for our Government rnanufactorY a better arm than 305., and that it wool "a as 3/ f the case thu. 2 .0 0 ' g e pir . gur° 7 that which they ae - __t aid r " — laud. • or. If that were • n ot mean to main -1.0 A.. .I muted to the house. If an extraor tain 0.4 t ere ~eTB c grounds for resisting the propo sition tre Dore emend bad been made to them for arms, and if &lora was a necessity for providing for that demand with the least possible delay, and they could show to the house that they could save some 700,0001. or 800,000/. of the public money, he thought the house would have had good reason to find fault with them if they had not made the proposition, and he thought the house would be to blame if they did not adopt the proposition. With regard to Mr. Lovell, he was informed that the statement now made by the hon. member (Mr. Newdegate) was- made to Lord Hardinge, when he was Master-General of the Ordnance. That statement was considered by Lord Hardinge, and he did not =ilea at the decision that the hon. gentleman did. By the proposed system they would get rid of the system which the hon. gentleman complained of. The advantages of the proposed system might be seen in a striking manner by those who would take the trouble of referring to the opinion of Mr. Whyford, in which he showed that the stock was made and the whole musket got up in 25 minutes and a half. It was not merely a ques tion of getting the best arm in the shortest time, but it was a question involving moat material financial considerations. By the course they suggested they would save a large sum of money, and certainly the arm that would be produced would be as perfect, if not better, than that produced at Birmingham, and there would be the advantage that all the different parts could be put in bags, and then taken out and put together as exact as the machinery. Lord SEYMOUR considered the question one of consi derable importance, and he wasisorry it had been some what prejudiced by being brought forward as a local ques tion connected with Birmingham. The questioneef govern ment manufactories had come under the consideration of committees of that house. It was brought under the consideration of the committee on naval estimates, mad also the committee on the ordnance estimates ; and he be lieved he stated no more than was the opinion of several members of the present Cabinet, when he said their general opinion was that Government manufactories were not ad visable. It might be well, it was admitted, for Govern ment to have some small manufactories as a check on the private producers, but no more than that. The general system was to be by contract. As to the cheapness of Go vernment manufacture, was there any man in the house who believed it? (Hear.) Would any member of the Cabinet get up and say he believed in the cheapness of Go vernment manufactories? The only excuse for a Govern ment manufactory was, that they might get a good article; they might be certain of the article, anti, therefore, they paid a great deal more to get it. Now, they were told by the Clerk to the Ordnance that they were to establish a large manufactory for the supply of muskets for the army. It was always the interest of Government to produce largely, and therefore it was the interest of Government in this case to produce a large quantity in a short time. An establishment was therefore to be created capable of mak ing 300,000 muskets in a year. (An Hon. Member, 150,000) Then, what was to become of the workmen when they had produced this quantity ? They would have to keep up a great establishment without any work. Why, they all knew that if machinery was not kept going it was a great loss. Therefore, the next reason would be, " now we have got the machinery, let us create a store. We used to have a store at the Tower, which was burned ; let us have another." If it was for the present war the muskets were required, he wanted to know when this establishment would be at work ? Would the Clerk of Ordnance get up and say he would undertake to produce 50,000 muskets within two years ? If not, were they now looking forward to and providing for some future war ? He told them that improvements were now going on so rapidly that in four or five years this musket would become obsolete. Then in 4 or 5' years their establishment would become obsolete. He would, therefore, recommend the Government to post pone the proposal for a time ; and if the men refused to work, or if there was anything unfair, he was sure the house - would give them the means of establishing a menu factorY, Colonel BOLDERO recommended the Government to pursue a similar course to that which had been pursued with regard to the manufacture of gunpowder • in which case' the ordnance 'department had manufact ured from 10,000 to 12,003 barrels of gunpowder, and employed four firms to manufacture from 2,000 to 3,000 barrels each. This would afford the greatest facility for increas ing the supply 'without incurring unnecessary expense. (Cries of Divide.") The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, not withstanding the natural impatience of the committee at that late hour (5 minutes past 12), he trusted the house would allow him to say a few words. (Hear, hear.) Al though this was a vote on the ordnance estimates, and one, therefore, for which his hon. friend (Mr. Monsell) was re sponsible, yet as the person immediately charged with the care of the finances of the country, he should have been deeply culpable had be allowed it to be proposed without being entirely satisfied as to its propriety. The motives which had induced the Government to adopt the proposal were, in the first place, the extreme dearness of the arm which was at present furnished to the forces ; in the second place, the slowness with which that arm was prepared ; and in the third place, the extreme uncertainty of its manufacture. With respect to dearness, the pre sent cost of the rifle musket in this country was 31., whereas the cost of the rifle musket in America was V. 17s. An hon. gentleman had cried down the quality of the American arms ; but he did not think he would be supported in that opinion. The lesson which they had received from Col. Colt. a private American, coming over to England to show Englishmen how to work in metals, was most important. The remark of the noble lord behind him (Lord Seymour), that the government ought not to be manufacturers, was received with loud cheers. (Cheers.) He concurred in that as a general prin ciple; but there were certain cases in which nobody doubted that they ought to be manufacturers. Nobody doubted, for example, that they ought to continue the manufacture of gunpowder, by which he believed it had been shown on good authority that they had saved the country half a million. There were certain specialities in certain cases, and the question w h ether the government should menu facture or not in a particular case, was not to bwsettled by general dicta on the subject, but by the consideration of those specialities. He had stated that the cost of a musket at present was 3/. The responsible department assured him that it could be manufactured for 30s. Economy, however, was not the only question in the ease. There was the question of sapidity; and whet set 4 the Orduenoe o>i tqllet - • M.f i; cPti 4 b. point? "The board ordered tenders to be issued for 2,000 carbines on an improved pattern on the 11th March last. Not one of those carbines has yet been received into store." Again, they were discussing one of the finest instruments that could be made—an instrument requiring the most minute precision ; and they had been told that night by the hon. member for Warwickshire, that it was impossible to attain this by anything but machinery, as the inspector of small arms in Warwickshire had blundered in his in spection. The question was, then, whether they should continue to have guns intended for her Majesty's forces made by the inferior and obsolete processes of hand labour, or whether they should have applied to the manufacture the economy and precision of machinery ? The question was one between hand labour and machinery? Yt was ad mitted by the hon. member for Warwickshire that machi nery was,employed in America for the manufacture of arms which in this country were made by hand labour. Mr. NEWDEGATE explained that what he had said, was that no machinery could be superior to the best hand labour. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he con tended that the muskets ought to be made by machinery. Experience ought not to be overlooked in this matter. In former wars this country had been obliged to go to Liege and other places for a supply of arms. (Hear, hear.) As regarded the question of expense, he really could not have believed without investigation that in a matter so compa ratively trivial as the providing of small arms for her Ma jesty's forces it was possible to effect a saving of 800,000/. or 900,000/. ; but that was the case as- it stood on the esti mated difference between what they were now paying and what they would have to pay under the new system. The noble lord (Seym'ur) said they were going to make a pro vision for future wars. He was sorry to say that they were making provision for a war which was now gathering around them. (Hear.) The noble lord had asked most properly when the factories would be in operation. They would be in operation within 12 months, and the Govern ment hoped in the course of the next year to obtain from it a full supply of arms. He must say that, if censure were due to the Government or to the ordnance depart ment, it was not for having made the proposition now, but for not having made it at an earlier period. They had been told that they would draw together a great number of manufacturers and have sudden and uncertain demands, and they were asked what they would do with these manu facturers when the sudden and uncertain demands *eased. Now, he invited the attention of the house to this point, for it was the kernel of the whole case. The hon. member for Warwickshire said that, in order to enable private trade to discharge contracts, it was necessary that the con tracts should be continuous. He begged the committee to remember these words. Now he wanted to know how they could secure a continuity of supply on a demand for arms ? He wanted to know whose duty it was to maintain eco nomy in the public expenditure? He wanted to know who could undertake to keep that outlay down in a time of war, when arms were largely required, much less in a time of peace ? Certainly the House of Commons could have no difficulty in answering the third of these questions. Well, then, to secure economy in the supply of arms, whether in a time of peace or in a time of war, you must have the power of sudden expansion and rapidity of manufacture, the two great objects which were involved in the proposition before the committee. Government then wanted the power of sudden expansion, and the power of producing with all possible certainty a large amount of arms within a certain space of time, which could not be done by pottering—(a laugh)—with private traders employing only hand labour. That past experience proved, for whereas they had ordered 2,000 carbines as far back as the 11th of last March, not one of those carbines had been delivered in store up to this very moment. But what was the case with regard to ma chinery ? Why it was the continuous supply that was required; but, "Oh," said the opponents of this plan, "if you employ machinery, you will not only require to keep it constantly in operation, but you will have to keep a large staff of labourers." Now the latter part of this ob jection applied certainly to the present system of private trading, because there a large amount of skilled labour had constantly to be kept on hand; but in the case of ma chinery it was entirely different. For there, instead of requiring 90 per cent. of skilled labour, all that would be necessary would be 10 per cent. of skilled labour and 90 per cent. of unskilled labour ; and, while a small staff only of skilled labourers would have to be kept in constant employment, the Government in a time of pressure would equally have at its command all the unskilled labourers of the community. Now that was the precise state of the case ; there was no desire to oppose the private trader, but there was a desire to promote economy, and to secure an efficient supply of arms—two objects which the Govern ment were convinced this plan would accomplish, or they never would have invited the. House of Commons to under take such an enterprise as that which was now proposed. It would effect a large saving of public money, at the same time place the country, not in a tolerable, but the best possible position with regard to the supply of arms, and he hoped therefore the House of Commons would not refuse to back the Government in the performance of their duty to the public. On the contrary, he trusted they would not hesitate to give a decided vote in favour of the establish ment of a system, by which the country would obtsie superior supply of arms at a much lower price a nd with far greater certainty and more rapidity of delivery th , s i g they could possibly hope to attain under the existin gnO t ti of things. Government, however, did not had been wief c to pronounce any decision upon the point g information t rir put in possession of the means o f-e.-. 07. • upon it, and there would I .,,,,position on their part consideration of a select ) ose therefore, the Government eommiti.e to refer the wbei t u t u t Jae understanding that when the committee was ap- Wo uld hay, no ohi4oLion to postpone the vote for a month ;Milted it should sit from day to day until its investigation was concluded, and in the meanwhile the Government would upon their own responsibility undertake all the pre liminary proceedings necessary for the formation of such an establishment as this vote contemplated. Mr. MUNTZ said the right.hon. gentleman had certainly made a most ingenious speech, but he had failed to alter or grapple with the facts of the case., It seemed to him that the right hon. gentleman knew nothing at all about the subject. Hon. gentlemen opposite might cry " oh, oh," but did they know anything about it ? He believed they did net. The right hon. gentleman had told them that it was a question between machinery and labour; but it was no such thing, and he would prove it. Did lion. gentlemen know anything about a fowling piece—had they ever used one—had they ever shot with one ? Well, then, a fowling piece was the result of the combined labour of man and machinery, and what the Government proposed to do by this plan was to obtain a similar species of arms by the aid of machinery alone. But they could not do it. Al -1 though, according to the right hon. gentleman's statement, making a gun was like spinning cotton, you had only to put the metal in at one end of the machinery, and the gun came out of the other. But what did the right hon. gentle man know about such matters as gun making? Why no thing but what he obtained from his authority, the hon. clerk of the ordnances who he really believed did not know a gun from a pistol. (Roars of laughter.) It was said these arms could be manufactured for 30s. each ; but the house might rely upon it that the 30s. would become 505., as sure as the 100,000/. for the establishment of the manu factory would ultimately magnify itself into 500,000/. (Hear.) He was therefore sorry that the right hon. gen tleman objected to his moderate proposal to delay the vote, but ho trusted the committee would support Ihim in the amendment he had ventured to propose. (Hear.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not object to postpone the vote for a month, and having made that announcement, the right hon. gentleman wont on to read a passage from a report of the board of ordnance, by which it appeared that during the late war this country purchased no less than 293,000 stand of arms from foreign manufacturers. (Hear.) • Mr. A. PELLATT addressed thecommittee amidst much uproar and impatience. He observed that a great deal had been said by the trade of Birmingham, and he wished to say a few words with regard to that of London. There had been made in London during the last ten years, no less than 514,376 small arms, which gave an average of some thing like 58,137 per annum, (Hear.) There were 1,900 workinen, and 18 houses, already engaged in the manufac ture of small arms in London ; and he understood that 8 or 10 of these houses had offered their services to the go vernment, but they had been rejected. (Hear.) * Mr. SPOONER strongly recommended his hon. friends to accept the proposal of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Now the manufactories had a right to expect that more time would have been afforded them for inquiry ; but per haps a month would be sufficient to establish on which side the justice of the ease rested. (Hear.) After a few words from Mr. Mums, Lord J. RUSSELL said it was not meant to bind down the committee to sit every day ; but it was desirable that they should sit de die in diem, in order that due deligence might be used. The vote was then withdrawn. 529,522 t. for ordnance stores. Mr. W. WILLIAMS moved that the chairman should report progress ; but after a remonstrance from Lord J. RUSSELL, the vote was agreed to, and the house then re sumed. Lord J. RUSSELL gave notice to move this day, that the house should meet at two o'clock on Wednesday, and then go on with the committee of supply. CHURCH BUILDING ACTS AMENDMENT BILL. This bill was read a second time. VALUATION (IRELAND) ACT AMENDMENT SPORTING NOTES. SAYINGS AT STRETFORD. The information which I have gathered from th e "Manchester men" respecting the Liverpool Steeple, chase is scarcely sufficient to compensate me for th.e trouble and fatigue of the long and tedious journey by the night mail train. The betting fraternity here evi dently hold divided opinions respecting the two leading favourites, Miss Mowbray and Bourton—the horse hav ing perhaps the largest number of supporters. His warmest partizans declare, and with a good show of reason too, that he is a stone better than when he was defeated by Oscar at Warwick, and that he will " turn the tables on his old opponents as sure as he is a horse." The extra half-mile, however, will, I fancy, be tire greatest drawback from Bourton's success. Besid es, too, the character of - the ground at Aintree has been rendered unusually severe. I am informed—whether credibly or not I am unable to determine—that at the desire of the Miss Mowbray party, the land Inas in parts been ploughed a fresh, and that an increased "stiffishness" has been given to the different leaps. Last night, Miss Mowbray and Oscar were at Bir mingham, cn route to Aintree. Both are said to be in the finest bloom of condition ; Oscar, in particular, is greatly admired. To day, a growing disposition was evinced to back him, and at 15 to 1 many investments were made. This movement exercised a depressing effect on Miss Mowbray, whose backers evidently "doubted, yet doated," and appeared to let I dare not wait upon I would. Indeed, respecting him and Miss Mowbray much perplexity and uncertainty exists, and some persons do not hesitate to declare that a double game is being played with them. Believing that the running will be regulated by fair play, I do not feel inclined to alter my opinion respec - ing the superiority of Miss Mowbray's chance. Should, however, anything occur to prevent her success, Bourton may achieve the victory. Spring, Bedford, and Crabbs are the best of the outsiders, my opinion as to their re spective chances being in accordance with the order in which I have set down their names. It is somewhat difficul - , to indicate accurately the pro bable starters ; but, as Mr. Bucket would say, from in formation I have received, I am induced to believe that the field will comprise the following horses : Age st lb Age st lb Peter Simple a 12 0 Spring 6 9 10 Bourton Oscar Miss Mowbray Peter Half-and-Half ... a 10 8 Cockcrow Abd-el-Kader a 10 6 Labyrinth Bedford (h LaGazza Ladra... a 10 0 Timothy Lady Arthur a 910 Squire of Mallon a 9 4 Maurice Daley Star of England... a 9 10 Burnt'Sienna a 8 12 The doubtful starters are printed in italics. The sport at Stretford requires no particular com ment. It was seemingly got up to afford the Manchester men an opportunity for enjoying a half holiday. The first race was decided at about twenty minutes pas three, and the last not until nearly dusk. Manchester, Monday Night. A FRESH MAN. ARRIVALS AT LIVERPOOL. STEEPLECHASE.—Peter Simple, Bourton, Oscar , Miss Mowbray, Peter, Half-and-Half, Bedford, La Gazza Ladra, Maurice Daley', Cockcrow, Kilquade, Laby rinth, Comeaway, Crabbs, Burnt Sienna, Royalty, Timothy, Faugh-a-Ballagh gelding, Spring, and Trout. Abd-el-Kader is scraohed. FOR OTHER RACES.—Alonzo, Juliet, Cripple, An dromache, Warwick, Songster, Yewtick, and Kilquade. KIRKCALDY- 'EI. 25. Here to-day we had a small supply of barley, which sold quickly, and large supplies of wheat and oats, which sold slowly. Prices of all were fully Is per qr. dearer than last market day. Some fine parcels I's higher. Wheat. Barley. Oats. I Beans. 1 First Second I 38s Od I SOs Od I Os Od Third s6s Od . 288 Od 24s Od I Os Od Oatmeal, per bag of 2801bs imperial, 44s Od to 45s Od. :ET.—FEB. 27. ho close of the market : COAL MARK Prices of Coal per ton at tl s. R. d. Buddle W. Hartley "2 0 Longridge's Wit Ilartley2l 6 Carr's Hartley 2l 6 Old Adairs 19 0 Chester Main 19 6 Tanfield Moor Butes 20 0 Davison's West Hartley 21 6 West Hartley 22 0 Hasting's Hartley 22 0 Cowpen 25 0 Hartlepool West Hartley ,20 6, Ships at market ... I Sold. 64 SEABORNE MAILS, (N signifies that the mails are sent from the General Post office by the night—and M by the morning —dispatch.] Day when rciade up From what When COUN FRIES. in General Post- Port due 1n Office, London.* Dispatched. England. A.merica(bylirit.pack)N Every Friday .... Liverpool ... Each Ken. America (by United Sts. packet) .... ....N •• • Liverpool ... America (by U. States packet) ..........N • Southampto , Arrived Australia (via South ampton) ..........MlMarch ..... Southamptot, Feb. 20 Ditto (via Marseilles) N,March 8 . Dover ...... Feb. 16 Ditto (via Cape of Good! Hope) ...N i le!). 4 Africa (West Coast) .. /.03d of the month .. Plymouth .. March 6 Alexandria 9, 24, & 30 of m. Dover eb. 16 Alexandria ..........Ml4th & 20th of mon. Southampton eb. 90 Bahamas ........... al ! 17th of the month Southampton Feb 16 Belgium ............N , Daily D0ver...... Daily Brazil j9th of the month.. Southampton March 16 Buenos Ayres.. Mj9th of the month.. Southa m pt on Cape of Good Hone ..Nll4th of the month Plymouth .. Arrived Cape of Good Hope • .N'l4th of the month. Southampton Cape de Verds 14th of the month Plymouth .. Feb. 26 Ceylon (see India) Ceylon ..............N 14th of the month, Plymouth .. Feb. 26 Channel 151e5........N lifon.,Wed.,&Frid.!Southampton Tu.Th.Sat Chili. .. M 2(.1 & 17th of month;SeuthanaptonFeb. 16 China (see IRdia) Constantinople 7,8,17,24,&27 of m. Dover ...... Constantinople 4th & 20th of mon. Southampton Feb. 20 Cont. of Europe M & K Twice daily Dover ...... Twicedallr Egypt (see India) France . ..... 31 & N Twice daily._ Dover .. Tivicadalky Gibraltar .. Ml 4, 7, 17, 20, 27 of m. Southampton Greece (see India) Greytown ..........M,2nd & 17th of mon. Southampton l Arrived Hamburgh & Friday London ..... Havannah .......... ml2nd of the month Southampton ,March 1 Holland M' Daily Dover ....... Pally Honduras of the month. SonthamptonlFeb. India (vlaSouthampt.)M 4th & 20th of mon. Southampton! March 4 India (via Marseilles)M BthBc24th of month Dover ...... Feb. 16 lonian Isles (see Indla)i7, 17, & 27 of mon D0ver...... ! Ireland ........M & N , Twice daily Holyhead .. ,TwicedallY Lisbon 9, 17, & 27 of M. Southampton Feb. 26 Madeira of the month Southampton Feb. 16 Madeira fi:23d of month Plymouth .. Feb. 14 Malta (see India) I Malta y 7,17,19,27, 30 ofm.lDover Mauritius (see India) Mauritius 14th of the month Plymouth .. Feb. 26 Mexico .. .1.1,2nd of the month.. Southampton March I Naples ..... N:bthlsth2sthofmon. Dover ...... New Granada ...... mad & 17th of mouth Southampton Feb. 16 New Zea1and.......... By private skip Various ports 'Uncertain. Papal States sthThth2sthoftnon. Dover Peninsula ..........91, 1 7thl7th28thoftnon. Southampton Feb . 16 Peru & 27th of mon. Southampton Feb. 16 Port Natal ..........Nll4th of the rnonthl Plymouth .. Feb. 26 Sicily ...N,sthlsth2sthofmon,lDover Tuscany sth l s th 2s tholinon.lOover Venezuela 17 th 01 nionth ! Sollthampton • Feb. 16 Van Diemen's Land (gee' Australia) . ....... West Indies •• 2dt 17th of month Southampton March 1 lgouthampton'March 1 BILL. This bill was read a second time. The house adjourned at ten minutes to one o'clock. CIIIIRCH-RATE CONTEST.—On Thursday last a vestry was held in the parish church of Milton next Gravesend, Kent, to make a rate. The parish churchwarden, after stating the cost incurred in the repairs of the church in the past year, and other legal expenses to be provided for by a rate, moved that a church-rate of 3d. in the pound be made to defray these expenses. This motion gave rise to a stormy discussion. Some of the ratepayers (dissenters and churchmen) suggested a voluntary con tribution to defray the charge, amounting to 1201., for which a rate was demanded. This proposition was re pudiated by the churchwardens, and a division upon the mot:on took place, at the end of which the church wardens demanded a poll, which terminated on Satur day in favour of the opponents of the rate by a majority of 90, the numbers being, for the rate, 150 ; against it, 240. [ADVEBTISEMENT.I—Fifty thousand Cures have been effected by Du Barry's delicious RevalentaArabica Food, without medicine, inconvenience, or expense (as it saves fifty times its cost in other remedies).— " Twenty-fiveyears nervousness, constipation, indigestion, and debility, from which I had suffered greitt misery, and which no medi cine could remove or relieve, have been effectually curod by 'Du Barry's Food in a very short time. W. R, Reeves, Pool Anthony, Tiierton." 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In canisters, with full instructions, 11b., 2s. 9d. ; 21b., 4s. 6d. ; 51b., Ils. ; 121 b., 225. ; super-refined, 51b., 225. ; 101 b., 335. The 101 b. and 121 b. carriage free. Barry Du Barry and Co., 77, Regent-street, Loniion ; also, Fortnum, Mason, and Ooh, plinreyors to her Alajeity, Piccadilly. . • • GV hij‘ja? 01,i4 =~ ~'o SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. TATTERSA.LL'S.—MoNDAT. Speculation on the Liverpool Grand National ..s carried on with considerable spirit. ..obs and Half- The horses in most demand wm c ri , and Half ; the former at 100 and finally 10 + 7lll to 1. to 1, and the latter at an Crabbs was, der of the two. however, much the strcr, nat 0 , , odds quoted, but Miss Bourton was very fccuering : 600 to 100 was laid. Mowbray wa Llai r ie money was put on Cockcrow at 20 to in one b^` da two or three coneys were intrusted to Burnt Sienna. 25 to 1. Peter's average price was about 100 toZ: METROPOLITAN STAKES.-500 to 25 taken about Mus covite, and 625 to 25 about Rataplan. Notting else mentioned. CHESTER CUP.—Newminster was backed for 50/. a►t 20 to 1, odds which were repeatedly offered against The Star of Surrey, who appears to have reached the calum niating point, and is beginning to grow dim. Two THOUSAND GUINEAS STAKES.—A slight reaction took place with regard to Boiardo-400 to 100 was booked. DERBT.—Autocrat was still suffering from the blows which had been recenCy dealt upon him at the club. 5 to 1 was now and then taken, but only to a compara tively small amount. The opposition which he has ex perienced may-, however, be only a ruse de course. King Tom was backed for upwards of 3501. at 7 to 1, and Dervish improved a pointor two ; after 15 to 1 had been laid to 501., 14 to 1 was taken to the like sum ; 1,000 to 50 taken about Ruby; 550 to 25 Acrobat ; 400 to 10 twice, and 1,000 to 3) Marsya.s ; 2,000 to 50 Bessus ; and 1,250 to 25 The Early Bird. CLCSING PRICES. LIVERPOOL GRAND NATIONAL STEEPLECHASE. 6to 1 agst Miss Mowbray (taken). 7 to 1 agst Lourton (taken). 10 to 1 agst Crabbs (12 to 1 taken freely). 11 to 1 agstlf-and-half (taken). 12 to 1 agst La Gazza Ladra (taken). 14 to 1 agst Maurice Daley (taken). 15 to 1 agst Oscar (taken). 16 to 1 agst Peter (taken). 20 to 1 agst Cockcrow (taken). 20 to 1 agst Lady Arthur (taken). 25 to 1 agst Burnt Sienna. 40 to 1 agst bl gby Faugh-a-Ballagh (taken). GREAT METROPOLITAN STAKES. 20 to 1 agst Muscovite (taken). 25 to 1 agst Rataplan (taken) CHESTER CUP. 20 to 1 agst Newminster (taken). 20 to 1 apt Star of Surrey (offered). THE TWO THOUSAND. 4to 1 agst Boiardo (taken). DERBY. 9to 2 agst Autocrat (5 to 1 taken). 7to 1 agst King Tom (taken freely). 14 to 1 agst Dervish (taken). 20 to 1 agst Ruby (taken). 22 to 1 agst Acrobat (taken). 33 to 1 agst Marsyas (taken). 40 to 1 agst Bessus (taken). 50 to 1 agst The Early Bird (taken). TILE GOODWOOD STUD.—We regret to find that the Duke of Richmond's determination to break up his racing establishment is finally made. The horses are advertised to be sold at Tattersall's on Monday, March 13. STRETFORD STEEPLCHASES.-MONDIT. The STRETFORD STEEPLECHASE, a free Handicap of 3 sots. each, with 25 added. Optional selling weights, &c. About three miles and a half. Mr. Harding's Royal Blue, aged (201.), 9st 81b (A. Clarke) 1 Mr. E. Edward's Diana (h b), aged (201.), Bst 131 b v(N . White) 2 Mr. C. Higgins's Countess, aged (201.), 9st 101 b (Weaver) 3 The following also ran :—Smilax, Locomotive, Take Notice. Betting-2 to 1 agst Royal Blue ;sto 2 agst Diana ; 4 to 1 agst Countess. Won by three lengths, a neck between the second and third, Locomotive was fourth. Smilax fell at the fur- ther side of the course. Take Notice stopped short at the road the first time round, and pitched her jockey over her head into the ditch. The MANCHESTER STEEPLCHASR, a free Handicap of 5 sou, each, with 50 added ; winners extra ; the second to save his stake. About three miles and a half. Mr. B. Land's Theodine, 5 yrs, 9st 131 b (Green) 1 Mr. Thompson's The Duchess, aged, 9st 121 b (H. Lamplugh) 2 Mr. Barding's Luke the Labourer, age 1,9 st. 41b. carried 9st. 61b. .(A. Clarke) 3 The following also ran :—The Old Rake, Frederic, and Braggadocio. Betting-7 to 4 each agst Old Rake and Theodine. Won by a length and a half. Same distance between the second and third. Old Rake fell, but finished fourth. The Railway Stakes' of 20 sovs., for four yrs old and upwards, optional selling weights, about two miles, were won by Take Notice, beating Kilkenny, Flirt, Locomo tive, Polly Gray, and Countess-- the last named, who was the favourite, fell. Tine weather, and a large attendance of pleasure folk. Ths muster of business-men comprised only the Man chester division and some two or three metropolitan speculators who were en route to Liverpool. The pro ceedings were most satisfactorily conducted. RACING FIXT MA . Liverpool Spring 1 Doncaster Spring 7 Salisbury Coventry Spring l4 RES FOR 1854. CII. Warwick Spring 21 Catterick 27 Northampton 29 Abergavenny 30 tIL. Catterick Bridge 19 Abergavenny ~.. — 2 O York Spring 25 Malton 27 .Y. Lothians and EdinburghlB Lewes l9 Bath 23 Liverpool Hunt Spring 24 Epsom 30 "UNE. AP. Croxton Park 4 Epsom Spring 6 Cheltenham Spring 12 Newmarket Craven 17 M. Newmarket F S Chester Spring 9 Lothians & Edinburgh 11 Newmarket S S l6 Shrewsbury 18 Manchester Ascot Heath 13 Newcastle-on-Tyne 20 Hampton 2l Carlisle 26 Jl3 Newmarket Worcester ............... Lancaster Mansfield ll Liverpool l2 Ipswich ........ . ... . .. Bibury . 98 Stockbridge Ludlow 30 Winchester 3O Stour bridge l7 Stamford 18 Nottingham 2O Goodwood 95 Ripon 31 • - ::ay,•Af:.+ ~:,. SHIPPING INTELLIGEIVCZ CUSTOM HOUSE, FEB. 27. ENTERED INWARDS.—The Harriet Ewing, from more ; Maria Jynacria, Trinidad de Cuba ; Ernte, Oport , Gelessea, Emden ; Sambo, Odessa ; Cherokee, Shangna Gannymeed, Stubbekiobing ; Providence, Antwerp ; Ja Turcan, Singapore ; Rous Baltimore ; Nest° Amsterdam; Commodore, Jamaica; Vivacious, Seville Norma, New York ; Active, Seville ; Leon, Gravelinse Gipsy, Jersey and Guernsey ; Line, Dantzic ; Ann, Afol laic ; Maria y Juana, Havannah ' • Victoria, Ilavre Freundschaft, Emden ; Ebenezer, St. Michael's ; Glen borvie, Callao ; Maria, Svendborg ; Anna Margaretha Nenstadt • Eliza Hunter, Amsterdam • British Queen Patras ; ' Rangoon, Colombo ; Jupiter, Belize; Sartain& Lisbon ; Alfred, Malta. ENTERED OUTWARDS FOR LOADING.—The John Arthur for Elsinore ; Unity, Algoa Bay ; Martha, 31 . 0gadore Centurion, Bombay ; Mariano, Copenhagen ; Barb aras , Cape of Good Hope and Siraon's Bay ; Commodore, Js. maica. CLEARED OUTWARDS WITH CARGO.—The -Minster, tot Geelong and Melbourne ; Sir James Ross, Cejlon ; Mary, Valencia ; Loudon Jylland, Rio Janeiro ; Minima, Port. au-Prince ; Anna Mop, Sydney. LIVERPOOL, FEB. 27. A sunken ship, with topgallant masts just above water, apparently not long in that situation, was psssed, Feb. 14, in lat. 39, long. 45, by the Ocean Chief arrived here. The King William, hence to Sierra Leone, which put into Whitehaven, Jan. 26, has been toyed round from the latter port. The Shark has arrived from Para, and sailed Jan. 25, leaving the Princess Royal loading for tbis port. The Julius Cxsar, from Liverpool, and the Phoenix and Annie, from Hull, have arrived at Marsnham. Arrived—The Yorkshire, from New York ; the Alleg. hanian, from New Orleans ; the steamer Pyreole, froze Nantes ; the Philo, from Callao ; the Boston Light, front New Orleans. Sailed.—The Montgomery, for Sydney, New South Wales ; the Guy Marnering, for New York ; the eteamer Margaret, for Havre; the Calhoun, for New York; the Cynosure, for New Orleans ; the ontest, for Gibraltar; the Dolores, for Leghorn; the Sterling, for Savannah ; the American Union, for New York ; the Coaxer, for Ja maica ; the Elise, for Rotterdam; the Invincible, for Cal cutta ; the Agnes, for Trinidad ; the Eleanor, for Marau ham ; the Johanna, for Gothenburg ; the St. Crispin, for Demerara ; the President for Civita Vecchia ; the Pas torito, for Havannah ; the Daniel Webster for Boston ; the Hendrika, for Rotterdam ; the Majestic for Venice ; the Sea Queen, for New Orleans; the Dantsic, for Dantsic ; the Nordstjernen, for Trieste ; the lonian, for New Or leans • the Kitty Cordes, for Mobile; the Willi am P un• ton, for Newfoundland. COUNTRY MARKETS. CHELMSFORD—Fria. 24. There was a fair supply of wheat to-day, and the bull samples brought quite as much money as last week ; but inferior qualities experienced a very languid sale at barely last week's quotations. Oats firm at late rates. In spring corn of a.l other descriptions very little business done. Prices to-day wore as follow :—Wheat, white, old 70s to to 85s Od, new 70s to 85s ; red, old 58s to 80s, new 61. to 80s ; barley, 23s to 36s ; chevalier, 35s to 40s ; grinding, 21s to 30s ; malt, 61s to 65s ; chevalier, 64s to 70s ; oats, 22s to 29s ; peas, partridge, 40s to 45s ; white, 48s to 504 boiling 55s to 61s ; dun, new, 41. to 44. ; beans, tick, 406 to 42s ; Harrow ticks, 38. to 44s ; Mazagan, 38s to 41s. COLCHESTER —Fina. 25. We had a better demand for wheat to-day, and prices must be noted is to 2s per qr. dearer. Barley was also dearer, say is per qr. on every description. Beans and peas were not much in request, and no change in value from last week. prices to-day were as follow :—Wheat, white, 80. to 90s; red, 76. to 81s ; barley, 403 to 46s ; oats, 26s to 301, ; bow, Mazagan, 40s to 44s ; middle and small. 441 to white, 60s to 64. s ; grey, 45., +, ..Lent of the Quantities of Corn, &c., received of London, from th e following ports, front Official t a'L gi 1 3 to the 25th February, ' , oth inclusive. 4.; A c„ A 295 - 530 - 367 100 427 85, t I . 0 pal 385' 40 24 146 :;50 2891 • Colchester .., Harwich Leigh Maldon I- I i 16; 421 450 !2dt i7th of month When any of these dates fall wt a Sunday, the malls will be dispatched on the following day, with the exception of the India vi* Southampton), and the Malta, both of which will be dispatched the day preceding. 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I AUI (Les —The abo And will - CELEBIW Dancing to To-morro "lux —Ai Adelaide-str renowned anch Intense programme I ancient and tonal Melo( lozdy, condu Angarde; Brougham. Three. Overture (llnnyadizla Polka (Cad( lionsrrois) ; Cauld Blast Misses Brou Josephine I Brougham ; testa, I. Pur OYA za- DURING I SPLENDI nesday ani NIAGNIFIE of DISSOI LECTURE DECORA' 'LECTURE 1 UNIVERS DESCRIPTI and of T SUNKEN Open Mor Children and Just publl 'MnociPreiaNtihoonnw'rcrto3,' Tral 'Sto which ts "Dr. Pick eal contribut Mims, he infoi cal reader. other equall3 —London M thisers,'and • coald find its plaint of whi be saved mw less importal ,much money empirical syl tnnnt npon a likely to do r 111RIE Patel r2harmacie d, The long , -while it tend to embitter t appointment, Of a most pa apace of thre these Diseas4 In at the sa, of taste or sr toilet table w Sold in tin separate do Ice. This q protracted.— street, and E hill ; Hannay G R lio other Pa( The Packet Terracel Pier.;' Direct Trg Omnibuse every quart , BRUNSWE Fen church Street' To or from „ Gray Between 6 matton, CACI pnbllc al falsehoo the sem , obvious Igo Cc Londc 114,85,a Londc and Bradt Shefn Color Merc Shoe SI IMP( (wham without price, The on Sate A ne ing Au nay be A ha on app ALT 7% 'tu t t 9% 11% I, 5 lox 121 21 3y '* 't