The Sun. — London, England, 1833-04-20 00:00:00

ecu l a tire r ry o ut , et . the 11 .ib 000 1 . l '' ln iOo l n titroo d o e , t „ ca l a vily oatl; ,to curl l fe 4 ' ,0, 1 a I ha'el rol l4 I avoided du in; t b h e ; , h a ve w h a t `. - „ v olt 01 thatl4o not mean to put the duty on raw cotton on a Letter hg than i t was i n 1831 Previously to th t period was an ud tm l o q rern duty ui! to three-ei g hths o f a Per 'nY Per more lb., to arptich tit re was then added two- e i g hth s The ~ „ I , , m aking th e f u ll duty five-eighths of a penny. me amount of d u t y i n the pis?, year, at that r a t e °n"Thunted to e 26,0001. If the duty were now redure.l 4 'llft it would seem that it would he taking 320,0001. I('-')! annum t ramthe duty raist-td on raw cotton ; that" the !eduction of oth er t axes i t i s genera ll y expected deficient an i ncreased d eman d w i ll make up for patt of the s _alt illyfaun.., but Id l not expect that in this at them a siilar re,, will h therefore conclude th measure so ° -t• reduced t o nearly that amount, sty at Is art a t" ° , °°l . Now , Si r, I All i, to apply myself to anoth er am--, reduction of which is most deserving of art, ntion. eatt the tax on soap.—( Hear.) The present annual tiia:ont duty of that duty is 1,186.0001. I propose to reduce th one half. I may fairly expect tbat tilting oil' and drai v h ae t. i_ . Kt which amounts to about 100,0001., illicit t ''''nz also into account the reduction of th at tanufacture, I shall not exaggerate when I state tha4 3 t he whol a l oss on that duty will not amount to more „„00 ,00 01. I h ave now Sr stated all the taxes a r ti 4 which it is intended to make a reduction, the I beg to state that I have endeavoured to select those, Par t eduction of which might relieve the productive afford'f th e community in particul a r, as w e ll a s to Th ee general r e li e f to the country.—(Loud cheers.) iy i ' L n 'ay be here some gentlemen undoubtedly who will i " the I ought to have gone to a greater extent ed t r i ' ll ine reductions which have been prpos that , aPprehend there is no gentleman who will say i : h t ne taxes to whi"h I have confined myself, are not 4 iiernßelve,, C inch ' as it was proper to have reduced. and ar:t. O'CONN.ELL here - iott rrupred the Noble Lord, t ha , 4",1 whether the reductions on advertisements am', un(lerstond, on soap should extend to Ireland ? Lord Gentle AL THORP—I will not new answer the Learned th :en'l• Undoubtedly Ireland should be placed on I: ( j' an 'e footing, or as near as possible, with E-g -tali67-(11"".) I will now recapitulate to the House ales which I propose to reduce : In the articl e of Tiles .£37 000 Marine Insurance lOO.OOO Ad vertise 75 000 4e,tied Taxes Co tton ... 244,000 ........... 300,000 S'aP .................... 593,000 ...............................•.... 4 ' far a In all 1,349,000 of,_ , Positiv e relief goes. But sti I, in consequence that .* I b efore s t ate d respect i ng soap, I do not consider f I,o sg there will be a real loss to the revenue Will ' ,,' °"l.-- -(lles r , hear, bear.) The surplus that tlie to Will on l y be 516,0001., but will n i . ta,,P,re,tit state of the country, it wilt be of great . a va I 1, 0 ,"1at I should not stop short of these reductions. I Will 'lPlained at considerable length these details. d, I do not t l l l, i r i a l i t ' 4 otl °'e any general arguments: indeed, i i s nd a ee t all desirable. g he re I have rae,abtia.teedinetnhte s taxes I have stated the 4 :1 ° t1 4 : 7 , 1 ' °I . the reduction, and where I have not re4,.,-n-nY r eduction, I have ;here also shortly stated the , c hts -"Ph ich have induced me to adopt my present ki on"“--(Hear, hear.) lion. Gentlemen might t hit &l e t Particular tax, and some may othe j rs; object " n fi d with the . ° Other I hop e the House will be eau- .de only, howerveductions Which I have made. I would d, Il lliti : 6 1. ' beg the House to consider whatever they ! 10 13 u ' r - tl 'Y may substitute other taxes for . those I . 4d el,o r educe, I hope and trust they will notbe ta 4 ,, - ' to press for a greater reduction of t fixes besides, 44,,, , frotti the statement of the r venue which I hav to e 10.41;.the co mmittee must see it would he impossible ~,ro. klit t , l it * I do not think it necessary ro d.•tain the . 1 ' lt t : ° g"r, and I have merely to propose a rt-3' l t i.O_loo - t:,j;_ t i, the opinio n of this Comthittee, that the duties I hea ta ' Payabl e on tiles should ce ise." . The Nolbe Lord kr d " 10 amidst very general cheering. . I la t lIUNIE was for some minutes inaudible, in con ,:, 4 I Ntvi Ilet. "f the continued noise occisioned by Meath . / t 2' t lt th e rr "ouße. We understood him t., say that . whilst Vt g ttt "d 4 ' d the propriety of the proposed reductions, for , 11, ta ri :" that they had not gone further. He thought, d. ,_ Ltil e ', t hat the malt duty might have been re uie I. rt lt e f ~,- t° -Noble Lord had some other plan fo h r e g o iv ou na l ; ilb t , toe suffering portion of the community. ~. _ ie 4,4.41 tithe that the present plan w.•uld not give , s c a h i ,, f ,ere t ow It would not meet the calls tor relief 0f w 0 1 ie i ,, , ,,,,,5._d 4 45 441 / 4 The complaints of the pressure be kl, Pl'eeedetl on the principle that they could nut w,,ul I 'lot it 44 d those corn laint, the Noble Lord's plan condition "h t -e ' t • The co!, try was now reduced to a . N - lii. 4 they ought to rusorne risk fir the sake o r. lim ing Nu t :P i e. Why , niit try the eat) , ri i ent 0' reducing it Y ? IL. , ,• h 1 if t h e quantity 4 ,1 u" . - ruit teilevei, l at la . tv y,,ti . ° R , ., -1 co rMitt.eil n •w that was consumed ht , r t W o uld f t h e duty was seduced to 10 a quarter. i ti a :friid immense relief, tuft he believed the c.disump W `ild - ' l°4l lie doubled- He was satisfied the House tt i, :titt i .," l ' n 'l• upon deliberation, that it tut , malt duty was .ti -411 1:1ti l „• ", I Os 6 I. a quarter, the increase ot to 14 1 .! til t (: , - ' 9ol lld he -0 V ,-at that there woo d he tu. lo It 7 iv,„'"'e,.uee With respect to the t •x on newspap Is ; tkliii-- '4o4gett for the contessioa w iich the Noble Lord 4 0. 4 P) ,N e t t made. T, Noble Lord had stat• d • he 4 • 0„ i . ..le , 'l4l " I°4 10 that House wh eh he (Mr. Hume). had 11 ,4, earn before x iess in private. He was sorry to 14 natter ,r' that e th P Noble Lord hail only considet eti at „ - atter eh. k, uo n , tet it night in a 5 4 , " 1 with the great subject of public nstruetion. toe'logrktii4e-tb4i!r saciifice of income the House ought , o vil as the obsttucting tt „ ... t ht 017, ssen so great an 14 l eat eti , u it, "'n of knowledge. If e the Noble Lord had ih , t 1 i t w `" • newspaper duty for a small postage, , he be ti; il e , °Ol have given great satisfaction, and he hop. d I le e Would yet take a larger and mere extended ta il 4 th A Nt 11 ' question. He also objected to the complex t h'iltii i o W hich the Noble Lord proposed to carry the 4 r.) ° l ,°f the adv • tis 'merit duty into effect.—(Hear, i t t t(l4 ite t o - hb"..e.vrere tr man t y advertisements which did not likitteidd leavevse `much en, abettere. than once ; and It due a been 1 , 'e t u ,,., ° , l the duty at once to 18d. on all advertisement.-. i t,,,, e' Y lit7l e Of r eduction which was proposed would afford C l icti h e relief. Ile also considered that the propose. 1, , - 1. 41 ii ti.'eat°l.retni.arine insurances was not calculated to af ar .'tr, i , ' l4 - The Noble Lord should have gone isi, l Nue a 4 r educed the lower as well as the higher order I n -I ,t tv 44° ' As to the reouction of assessed taxes, ,- idt,'ikPruPosed would put an end t.i much complaint. tl i : l° , 4 lifi e T r eductio n , as far as it went, would meet w- 44,0,aPProbation ; but he was extremely sor b ry s th o a r t 5 4reliti4ulders, who did not happen to keep s op t :(1 grow: ' , were to receive no relief. There was a grea 4: 4 44, g discontent on the subject of these taxes. t„ 1 ot i „ °1 houses wet e thrown out of occupation, which 1 : . , 4 tl t -" ,the ass ton those still occupied to rise ; - .4 , i ' leeli ‘"sffien against the Halls' /i 44l %Vit t i ti g was becoming so strong . th i , 1., IN taxes that it would be impossible for the inss It. hl" r d 0 resist it lon --(Hear.) As to the soap duty, ti,,, l N ' ti„ l 4 i 'A admitted that the oniy , mode oi prevent it t li ' EIK was by reducing the duty, and at i t . h t e on san . i e e t 'al t i 1 adinitted that, by the proposed ret t!, r , 1 :_ , 4 , f4 tt , e ' v ell remium ol 2+. per cwt. to the Illicit t „ i t- ; ,, e t tl , l ' e t % On p the contrary, the Noble Lord should have 1 w what the illicit dealer could N,.'1c, t1 2 , duty is. a 4 , l " l ttii 4 ° e at, so a l d ' s e :t h e: . leave no encouragement for House would take all those l , i ' d a t' o r4 f, L i a t t . o co li n e sid li e o ra e tion, - aud resolve upon a commuta 'ti4iitt;%,e taxes which pressed most on the productive 11',W t , :1 the country, for a tax pressing on property. 11:5,,, the country would nut be satisfitel it the t d ti 'th i ti4 ated Without resolving upon such measures. itt-'ol4`t that the House should also press fur a greater b ursa to t: lt axation, and give relief to the . country, at l (ti,,,i e full annum:it of the surplus which the Noble L ° , lo li e i ~w a ‘ at their disposal. t hst 44 rd "k VIES made some observations, which were l ai r : rek;ur"'Pectitig the army estimates. He argued , „..(1 - I„, 'l4 at , - .7-4 of the duty on malt would be a mos I. l l ,"'ea i , ; '"ef to the oorer classes. The relief which itt' 4 [11,',.. 4 e n , to the P mercantile class was very little. t ."tt% ° th ri ,'` (4 the duty upon shops was of little import h ' itt poi ot viw, as the - shopkeepers made t e Sa d t , ‘tP 4 Y for the burdens which were imposed upon on j . it g vi, aa ti `,for reduc e the duties upon houses in , ,gene duty 14, 14,. eett v :„ t he coon ry substantial rebel ? 'I 'tie i _ (11 4 - 1, -. '.. h kit -. l,, W as of little itnpurtance—it waseertainly . I u ueti"' tvl,i, ei r wer e other duties of much . more c_o i r: o ,(' ,11 4,1‘ 41 0 1 , 1 4 w ere entitled to the pr •lerence. 1 , e 'ilu . ,,, i i,l Y showed that Itlanchester was ably repre- Poiuth- Uot,-:':7 would grant tutu a Committee, he 61 ' iv ' ' l th e ') Would torten his existence it they did not f°4l t e i:, lide r4t i t i ,L 4l 'ut makin g vet) , import hooped,n Bit t: th e ,N s') in the army estiniates.He there ea 41. Itt.:01" Lord woul•I consider the matter we ll. I° rend lill 'ett u ' 4 '. -1- vett, that it had been said that t h e giv e .er bi,""ived upou the Noble Lord seldom tended Itah,e4ti,lati„„vtrY P4,pular. It was difficult for tnin to 11. 0 i c , r ikve q, ri t ,,, - „ . t° „ r t t'o . e ,‘, 1., entertain hope, of cunside ,4d roe t `. °o •lall y Li 041 ohservati,o was just. Thule 't tu t , r W ith au °p l ed the situation of the Noble Lord, Si i • it., i!tai,l4o,..Oositiou only anklutr, to th row °myna tit e ,,,• ' ,- t1) (h , ' by clatnouring aeatust tixation. He IV k ( " . 't to • " hot ktul e , L ,, 4Vu, 4 _mean to pursue that course ; for he 14, _ util. uuttaine as unpopular as that of the kii"ll,Al4/100 1 lx. Pk t , t"013.S retuark Was inaudible in the gallery. ' atintael---hte had given the Noble Lord the benefit of his own quotation. So far ft.= wishing the reductions more c:oisid.rable: so tar from asserting that he had not gone to the full extent consistent with t''e pub lie interest, he would say that it wool i have been very bad remount. to have gone far her. If he had proceeded to in .tre such reductions a. 11 , .tild have cut off all h lie of the legitimate reduction of the public burdens by i-ju , .rig the public credit, by refusing ro dise'orree the putdie ohL gations, he could see no p licy in re unjust He could see no p 'hey more unsounti than that which uoul.l cut ' , ff such h •pes. He did not propose toblame him for nut in creasiog his reductions, but for eoing too far with a de chning revenue. ALTMORP dissented. ib e don ; b R SirROBERT PEEL hbeed tLohe roNoble Lord'sttr par- The O had spoen on te Ni gg 's n Noble Lord stid, that the revenue for t e y , at ending the sth April, 1832, was 46.618 000/ ; that of the year ening sth Air, il, 1833, was 46,852.000/ , while the Es. tiliaatt.s for the curien year ate estimated 46 500,0001., being a decrease of ibout 350,0001. below the revenue ut 1833. He beli ved be was correc..—(" Yes," from Lord Althorp.) He was only eta ing the estimated revenue of 1834, in which there was an anticipated decrease of 350,0001., as the estimates of 1834 were giv n by the Noble Lord without the deduction of the 1,056,0000 for taxes to he reduced, and 516,000/. of surplus. He was t , ,ereture justified in sa),ine, that the Noble Lord himself, by his statements, had atlini•t, , d that in his (Lord Althorp's) own opinion, the reductions were made, nut on an improving nor on a stationary, but on a declining re venue. But suppose the Noble Lord should be disap pointed iii the amount of the revenue which he expected in the course of the present year, it was impossible exactly to ascertain what th it amount would be. In his opinion, therefore, he thought the Noble Lord had gone to th- full extent olio tolent reduction ; for, although he agre d with the Noble Lord in doubting the policy of matn , airting a large surplus revenue, care ought to he taken to ptovide what might be necessary to meet a sudden contingency. Five hundred and sixteen thousand p -unds was, in his opinion, the least sum that could solely be reserved as a surplus fur any such purpose. In the general view of taxation also taken by the Noble Lord he entirely con curred. He was persuaded that it was wise to leave the system of our taxation on the saute b.sis on which it at present stood. To change it, for the purpose of intro ducing iinother system, however, from re isonings a priori, that system might be preferable, would be to unsettle all th e babies of the country, and all the dispositiou of its capital, which was accommodated to the present state of things. Even if the existing system were a bad one, (which he by no means admitted.) any very extensive change might, nevertheless, he productive of injury. He thought, therefore, that the Noble Lord had done wisely in !ejecting an income tax. The inquisitorial character of that tax had always rendered it obnoxious; an I although it might be desirable,on a great emergency to impose it for the put pose of raising a large and certain revenue, yet he did not think th it it would be wise, for a sum so com paratively tonal as two or three per cent., to incur the °ilium of ad ,pting a measure likely to create such general disgust. And besides, if it were imposed at all, it must be imposed on all parts of the empire. Now the applica tion of it to lie! end would be a matter of great difficulty. —(A laugh.) He wished to see Ireland as much favoured as .as possi , le, consistently with justice; but if a proposi tion were made to apply the income tax to England and to Scot and, and not to Ireland, he, for one, would say at once that o such a proposition he could not give his con_ sent.—(Hear, hear.) F cling, as he did, the difficul , v which would attend the commutation of other takes in - Ireland to in the pre, tit state of Irish tax•ition, for the pur pose of mposing a property tax, he was bound to say that he thought the Ntiole Lord bad acted most wisely in avoi dug any agitation of the question. He also very much doubted whetter the la outing , classes would derive atty benefit fioin the imposition of an locum- tax on t rich. The diminution of the means ot erapl.ying the labouring class would fall much more lie.tvily tin that ela-s t:,an upon those by whom they were employed. Of the reduction of the duty on cotton he highly approved, and he trust.d it would remove all ohstac es to the it ci ease of our in mulacture of that article. He also approve.' or the reduction of the duty 011 tiles. Aire, the reduction of the duty on slates, it was OtIV•OUS that the first reduction should be or the duty on tdes. Unpopular as the dec aration might b e , he must ale , ' say that he p meetly a.grero with the N b'e Lord in the expritie, cy iit not taking off the duty tin neAs pap rs. That was 4 description ot property whieh Was not labouring anti paining 'Or reli.f, anti Lie believed tnot much greater henefit could b- derivrd by the cornmuliity firm] the remission of titer taxes. Witt) respect to t,.e Ndhle Lord's pr , position as to the house and window du y— namely, that in t . e ease ot shops there be a nom, .ton o duty where tl:e windows e ap o lie Ito slo.p pur poses, and , h it orpter the game elrelllllS atm s rh le mould b. , a ptopoltion,se remission ot }muse duty, he wis ,ippre hensivr that „ urh a plan would give gr-at en , ourag , -to.-nt to itauo ; ant it would he very d , ffivult to tstibl eh a v u reit, test of that application of a window to put pose. of trade %, hich would con , titote a right to exemption boom duty. Upon hr whole, however, be approved of the Niiti!e Lord's propo-itions in genet al. His only doubt was—and he caret not it this sta.-Ineut were unpopular or not—Lif he Nob'e Lord bad not gone too far in the way of reduction. Ot thi-however, lie was sure, that in older to maintain puhlic erttlit the principle of reduction h a d been car, ied tar enough, and he for one would not pug) his Maj e sty's Government to carry it any further.—(Hear. ) Sir S. WHALLEY expressed hi'. regret (as we under. stood the Hon. Member) that the N 'tile Lord had not proposed a tax on the Funds, and the entire repeal of the house and window dut:es. The insinu &nu hy some of the country binkers on a former occasion, di ,t the conduct of the metrop. lis ought to lie watched with respect to the house and window tax, was a strong proof that the house anti window tax bore unequally on the people of the metropolis. The Noble Lord said that he was not prepared to press the totd repeal of the house and window lax ; but he earnestly and respectfully implored him at least to revise that part of his plan which respected the remission of the duty on windows applied to shop purposes ; as lie per feet!) , agreed with the Hun. Baronet, that it would open a door to fraud, and as lie was persuaded that it would relieve not the smaller classes of shopkeepers, but only the aristocracy of trade. It would be infinitely better to re peal the du , / on houses assessed to a certain amount. But lie implored the Noble Lord to dii ect his attention, at as eat ly a period as pus-ible, to the total repeal of the hou-e and window tax. It was utterly irnpo.siLle that, in their present depressed state, the lower classes of shopkeepers could long continue to pay that tax. 111 r. O'CONNELL observed, that the merriment with which the H- use hail received the Right Hon. Baronet's allusion to the property of Ireland was quite consistent with the conduct which they had pursued in other re spects towards Ireland. It was not surprising that those who treated the individuals of that country so harshly, should regard wi h harsimese the country itself.—(Loud cries of " No, no, no.") Let it, however, be recollected, that out of the forty-seven millions of taxes raised last year, nearly forty-two millions were raised by taxes com mon to both countries, and th it the relief proposed by the Noble Lord would fall on the four or five millions of taxes which were not common to both countries. Did the Hon. Baronet, when lie excited the laughter of the House, by speaking of the difficulty of taxing Irish property, recol. lect that there was a tax on property already in Ireland— that there was a tax on personal property—that there was a probate duty and a legacy duty ? For his part, he should preler a property tax in Ireland to asy tax on the springs 01 productive industry ; because then the amount of taxation paid by Ireland, which was now out of sight, would be apparent and understood. Since the peace, scarcely any taxes had been taken off Ireland. he entire relief torn taxation which Ireland had ex perienced since the peace, did not exceed half a mil lion. Nay, utter the peace, an additional taxation, no minally of five millions, had been imposed, by which, however, the revenue had actual y lost two millions and a half—a proof that Iteland had been taxed enough during the war. There was nothinc in the proposition of the Noble Lord beneficial to Ireland, except perhaps the dimitiu ion of the duty on advertisements in newspa pers. Up to the year 1814, the duty on Irish advertise ments was Is. on an advertisements of ten lines, and a proportionate increase according to the length of tile ad vertisement. The produce of thrt duty in 1814 was 24,234/. A duty of half a crown was th.n substituted, and the constquence was that the revenue fell a third. By the present proposition of the Noble Lord, the English newspapers would have three times the advantage of the Irish newspapers; for while 18 , 1. was take. ..rt . the ad vettisements in English newspapers, only 6d. would be taken tiff the advertisements in Irish newspapers. But his amingement of Ministers was no doust made to favour those great monopolists of the fourth estate, who at one tiate condescended to throw their shield over his Majesty's Government, and at another time thought fit to apply to them the rod ; that mighty ‘. we" of the pres s, bona whose attacks su many shrunk, and whom so few nad the moral d e s p eration t o s e t a t defiance. lie should tie happy to see the period when that monopoly would he entirely destroyed. Such a proceeding might diminish he revenue in souse degree, hut at the same time it would xt-disively Lien•lit. the tioinniuutty. The present prop 'won, however, of tb N•ible Lt,rd, tvuuld give to English newspapers a great and unjust advantage over those of Ireidu , ?. The only remission of duty proposed _by the ! Noble Lord which would benefit Ireland was the duty on soap, and dm it would ate •-nly indire c tly. Sir ROBERT PEEL proves ed against the unfairness end injestioe with welch the Hon. and Le rned G.-ntle men imputed to him that he had spoken of Ireland in a tone of hershnees —(Hear, hear, hear ) Be ap . peal-t 1 to the House if lie had tis.•d a single expres simi which could be so niterpreted. It wou dhwe be n very had teste if he had done so, and the only worst taste was re attrihnte a elispesition to insult, where none such existed. He di I not wish to he so misrepresented; and he could not rake a better opportunity of protestin g against a practice which was quite unworthy of the Hon. and Learned G ndeman. Mr. O'CONNELL ol:served that all he had sail was, that when the Right Hon. Baronet spoke of the property of Ireland. the House had treated the subject facetiously. —(No, no.) There was undoubtedly a laugh in the House at the time. The Heus- was ready e noug h to pass measures for coercing Ireland, but the moment that Irish p operty was talked of it created a smile of derision. —(Na, me) Mr. E. L. BULWER said a few words, the import of which we are unable to collect. Mr. PA LNIER (Berkshire) was exceedingly grateful to the Noble Lord (Altherp) fir the reductions he had been able to mak- in the burdens.of the people. But there was one particular burden, on the subject of which he had presented many petitions to t' e House, and which he had hoped might, in sortie degree, have been alleviated —he meant the malt tax. It was impossible, the Noble Lord said, to reduce this without substituting some other in its stead, But he must say, lie m ntirely agreed in what had been stated by the Hon. Member for Aliddlesex (Mr Hume), teat in reducing a portion of this tax they would run no risk whatever of seriously diminishing the revenue de rived from it. Ile hoped the Noble Lord would consider this subj ct again, and that at some future and early op pm tunity he would give to the agricultural interest the benefit of a reduction. The reduction on tiles he thought highly proper. H e could nut say the same for that on bailiff., as it would benefit a class who, if they required such assistants, were able to pay the tax. Mr. A. BARING did not know a more fitting occa sion than that for making a few general observations on the system of taxation in this country. He had the mis fortune to differ in his views of th-se matters with every Government since the general peace. At that epoch, there were amongst diff rent Statesmen in that House two decidedly Jiff rent views adopted. One of them was that which undoubtedly, and in his opinion unfit tunately, was the most popular—that of continued reduction of taxation, r.serving no surplus whatever of the public re venue. The other he had always held to be the title, and by far the most honest policy—that of inducing the country, by adopting higher views, by acting on loftier principles, to beer the extent .of pressure unrepiningly for a time, that they might, gradually and surely, diminish that monster, which they now looked at in coni plete despair. It appeired, however, that the little that did remain of marginal surplus, had been reduced more by the Noble Lord opposite since his accessio❑ to office, than by any Minis er that preceded him. He del not impute blame to the Noble Lord, for he was only Ml lowine in the steps of others. Such was the pressure from without, that he admitted it was irresistib'e. It was a most unfortunate ci cumstatice, that all the Statesmen of this country had, one after another, abdicated their duty, and yielded en these points. He was convinced in his own mind, that if an opposite course had been taken, the state of our debt would, by this, have borne a very different aspect. Had economy, the closest economy, been exercised, an•t our public fungi ionaries acted in the spirit he spoke, we might have mastered the great part of our vast difficulties. Had we fought with the debt and turned it into terminable annuities, we might in our own time have seen it nearly liquidated. He believed too, by acting in this spirit, by rousing the courage and the pride of the nation, we might have accomplished this without pressing very seriously on the energies of the people. What was Pitt's system at the close of the American war, when the country was, perhaps, in a more weak and de sponding state than ever she had been—when her im mense culenies had been cut off, and her resources were apparently alrn•ast exh lusted? There never was a period when the people looked more earnest y or more anxiously —and very n itui ally so— or iinined ate relief. He re c.d.(' the people to a se. se of their duty—he invigorated them by hr. Lily principl, B—and showed theta tee coui se w •ich a proud nation ought to pursue. For the ten years subsequent to the close of that war he did nut think any thine was done with the taxation of the country, save to air to it. Had this principl- been prop-rly followed up by his successers, he was satisfied we ne.ght, have mastered this debt. We might even yet hope, by lel ',wing the examine s e ( us to see the termination of teat immense burden which we were new looking at with so much (bread. The meteor the in ney inerk.t 111 this country was a very peculiar one. If we were net in a state to reduce t interests of our S ticks, it was because the credit of the country had been injured by the remise of conduct we had adopteel. Instead of Parliament having listened to dishonest advisees, they aheulit have fuliewed a more straightferwatd—a more in any course— ,nd he di I not doutit out we mig it have then been enabled to reduce the 3 per c tits. into 2 ; and tills have realised five or six millions by legi means, for the !eduction time tnalt and ether taxes —(The Hen. Member here weet into a verii ty of statements about the money market. to show how cheaply mine) , ceu d b . obtained; dna then proceeded to say, that i• the sinking fund principle had been prepeily maintained, we should by teis time have re , used the interest of the debt full one sixth.) S ill he imputed no blame to his M mjesty'a Minis ters. Tory had found the current as it was, and had gene ith it. and tended to its increase. No person was more gratified than he was at the reductions in the public ex penditure. He incite rticularly gave praise to the Right Han. Baronet at the head of the Admiralty for the deter. inination, and be must also say the judgment, which he had evinced in the matter of retrenchment. He believed, too, that Ministers bad disposed of their surplus as judici ously as they well could. For the agricultural classes, to be sure, there was but a very small boon—the abolition of the tax on carts. This was a great vexation, though not of serious amount, and he was glad t'ae trumpery thing lied been got rid of. He should have been glad if imething had been done with the Malt Duty.—(Th e Hon. Member here went into some arguments, we sup_ pine we must say, about the Beer Ceram ssion, and the Malt Duties ; but as they were perfectly unintelligible we shall not venture to touch upon them.) He was highly pleased at the proposed reduction in the duty on soap; it was most desirable as well for the morals as for the corn fort of the people. He would touch rather, however, that they had wholly abolished the impost, and substituted in its stead a duty on foreign tallow. It would hive been a great relief, and done away with a vast mass of fraud, He confessed the repeal which gave him most pleasure was that of time duty on raw cotton, and he should advise his Majesty's Ministers to watch carefully the remaining duty, and repeal it as soon as they were able.—(After thus approving of the reductions made by Ministers, the Hon. Member proceeded strongly to deprecate them, as there were two other experiments about to be tried which might materially affect the revenue—the one the trade to China, the other the management of our Indian empire.) Hints had horn thrown our of time expediency of taxing the public Fonds. Now, supposing this phi) was per fectly jar tifi.hle—whieb he by no in sane allowed—was it in every other respect desirable? Who were the persons chiefly interested in time public Securities? He had moved for a paper on this subject, which had been laid or, the table of the House, and which, when printed, would show some curious particulars well worthy of the attention of the House. From this they would learn that there were about 279,000 persons having pro perty in the public Securities. No Gentle' ran would easily guess what number of those drew divid•nds of 2,0001. and upwards. They amounted to 71 only.— (Hear, hear.) There were 103 balding in trust for so. ieties arid corporations, but only 71 as individuals. The number drawing lees than 2001 per annum was 263 000. To this 279,000 might be added about 250,000 who had property in the Savings' Banks. There were thus 540,000 families whose property was invested on the credit and faith of the country. If then there were any persons actuated by a desire to attack the public funds let than look at those they would inieee—let them not think they were pulling down the great man's wealth when they were in fact confiscating the poor man's all. In conclusion, he must say that be never listened to these financial statements without melancholy and disgust. At the seine time he repeated that he meant no imputa tion on his Maj. sty's Alinistets ; but he only wished they would endeavour to cultivate better feelings in time coo• triunity on these subjects, and rouse the people to a sense of those high principles by the adoption of which they could only hope ever to extricate the country from her many difficulties. An Hon. Aleenaita said 2 few words which were in audible in the Alderma❑ THOIVPSON was much pleased that a re duction in timelin e iesurances was proposed—a measure, the propriety of w Web he had long pressed on the notice of the Noble Lord. At the same time he hoped the prai cyle would be curried much farther, which could sateiy h e done without any injury whatever to the revenue. He should take the liberty of forwarding some documents to the Nuble Lord, which he was sure would satisfy his mind of the truth of what he stated. He theughta too, that the Noble Lord should have equalised the soap duty, and had he done so, he would have prevented a great deal of -mu r cling., and by the consequent giving- mig-rt have alto:ether removed the taxes upon houses. lie wished such a course h 1•1 been pursued, bevau-e he m ist iy, that he was n., admirer of partial reduction.. The continuance of the house duty WAR made the means of much a Only the very day before the election for the liotough of Sunderland, there were surcharges made upon all the hous-holders th , -re, who were so much alarmed , hat there was great difficulty in getting them to exercise their elec•ive franchise. He should have been glad to tee the whole duty repealed, especially with Bard to the lower class of householders. There was another tax which he should have been glad to see re duced—he me nt the duty upon tire insurances. If that hid been reduced by one half, it would be a most eaten ' sive advantage to the public. He was glad that the duty upon shopmen and p Tters, and inferior servants was re duced—the more so, as he knew those taxes had fre quently been made the means of making most improper surcharge. On the whole, he congratulated the country upon the riduction which had taken place though he should have been pleased to see it evended to other objects. Mr. ROBINSON srid it must he exceedingly consola tory to the country to know that the income of the last year bad exceeded the expectations of the Noble Lord op posite. But one observation arose upon it which he should like to see adopted. The Noble Lord said he had a sur plus of above 500.0001. That sum ought to be applied in reduction of taxes. That was the principle he should wish to press on the attention of the Government. He was sorry to see that there was nor one instance of a tax tieing altogether abolish , d. T.,e machinery for collect ing it still remained, if the tax was only reduced. It an opposite course had been pursued, the reductions might even have been greater than they were. He thought that when the Ministers were (haling with the house duty, if they did not take off the duty altoghether, they ought at least to have removed its inequality, which had caused so much ill feeling. throughout the country. The remedy might have been effected by a new assessment and a new mode of valuation. He gave credit to the Government fur the reductions which they had made, and which amounted alto gether to betwe-n three and four millions a year. He thought the reductions might have been better had they been more directed to the relief of the productive industry of the country; and hr was afraid that if nothing was done to mend the condition of the labouring classes, from whom all the wealth of the country flowed, there would not result all the advantage that every one must desire to see from the reiturtions that had b,en made. Mr. SI.ANEY hoped that the Government would con tinue to pursue the same course as that which they had now adopted. It they did this, and if the people saw that there really was a sincere wish to improve their condition, they would wait with patience, and enable the Govern ment, consistent with good faith to t,e public creditor, to reduce the burdens of the country. There was one subject, with respect to which he wished to make one ob. to-rvation—it was that of the complaints about the inequality of the assessm nts upon large houses. The statements made on this eut.ject were, he believed, founded in a great mistake. The statement was founded on the amount expended in the building and ornamenting of these houses, and not upon their real value, or the sun, for which they could be let. A house in Fleet street, one fourth of the size of one of these large houses in a distant part of the country, was, in fact, worth much more than such a house, and would probably let for four times as much, although it had not cost near so much in building and ornamenting it. The Hon. Member opposite, whose observations bad induced him to make this rental k, seemed if , assent to toe principle he had thus stated, and of its truth lie was perfectly convinced. There was one point to which he wished to call the attention of the N,iale Lord and of the House. The Noble Lord had reduced the tax upon porters and shopmen, but be feared that, in the words in which that reduction was effected, working maltsters, or those who superintended the buildings where malt was made, would not be deemed to be included. He thought that the reduction ought to be distinctly extended to them, since riot only did the state of the trade demand some relief, but the fact ought to be 'membered that they were persons woik , ng upon an article that was itself afterwards made the subject of heavy taxati n. It this was done, he could assure the N.. 1, 1 - Lot d that the la duction would be received with great gratitude by the malsters throuvout the country. Irl• was hapry to be able to say, that the reductions now made met with ills approbaiion, and tie hoped they would be re ceived in the s ime manner by the people at large. Sir T. FRE‘IANTLE could not forbear expressing his wish, that when the Noble Lord reduced the outy on =twine insurances, he had reduced the duty on fire in. 8111alices, especially with res i tect to agricultutal produce. Toe duty o❑ fire ;nsurances, as it now stood, amounted to 200 per ern.. The agricuttulal interest thsetved some re lief, and this would have been partirulatly useful, as any body must be convinced, when it was recollected that agti .ul oral produce, (men lying at some distance fro it the hou-e, was peculiarly ope❑ to depredation, and, as the un hapoy instance of past years had !moved, was often made tee subject iit depredation. This reduetion Was the more desirable, since that which had been said to take place with regard to marine insurances equally happened with reg mi to fire insurances ; many policies were now, in consequence of the high rate of the duty here, • ffccted in Pails upon houses in ttis country, all of which would be eff,cted in this country, but fur that circumstance. He should have been glad, too, to see the malt duty reduced, but as a Chance for of the Exchequer always fully male up his mind before he came down to the House with the budget, and as an bumble individual like himself was not likely to be able to change the de cision ot the Government, he supposed he must look at the !eduction as hopeless in this session of Pailiarnent. He agreed with the Hon. Member for Berkshire, in ex pi/aiming his regret, that while above a million of taxes had been reduced, the ap,ricularral interest had only been al lowed the benefit of a paltry 30,0001., for that was, he believed, the amount of the dill on taxed carts. He thou: s lit 'hat the statement of the Nab', Lord afforded the most gratifying prospects, the more especially, as the pre sent unproved state of the revenue did not arise from the increase of taxation, but from a reduction of expenditure. tie gave every credit to the Government for tins reduc tion. He believed that the people were now satisfied of the wish of that House to relive them from the burden of taxation which pressed so heavily upon them. But there was one other matter to which they now wished the House to direct their attention, and that was the sub ject ot local taxati n.—( Hear.) Toey complained most bitterly of local taxes, the amount of which was so consi derable.—(Hear.) A sum et 45 milli( os was taken from them most unovoidably by the Noble Lord, and a sum equal to one fifth of that amount, or 9 millions a year, was taken from them by local taxes. Tue House ought to take this subject into their consideration ; and he thought they could not do anything better tha❑ begin, as speedily as possible, to see bow the amount of this local taxation might be reduced, and the abuses connected with it remedied.—(Hear, he.r.) Mr. HALCOMB was sorry that the window tax had not been repealed, because it operated to produce a bid system of building, and injured the health and the corn foi tof all classes of people. A distinction was now made between the house and window duty, but in effect they were the same tax. He thought there ought to be a new calculation of the duty, and that whatever was taken ought to be taken as a duty on houses, and should be calculated on their rental. Lord ALT HORP (being 'genet. aly called for) said that he should riot detain the House fur any length of time, but he wished to make a few observations in answer to the r marks which had been made by different gentlemen. The mode in wtaeh the statement be had made had been re ceived by the House, was most gratifying to him.—(Hear, bear.) He was quite aware from the first, that gentle men would differ from him on some of the topics which he had introduced ; but the general mode in which his statement [eta been received, was, he rep-ated, most gra tifying. He should begin his observations with an answer to a question put ity the Hon. Gentleman near him, as to the maltsters, or persons employed in superintending the making of malt. It seemed to bins that there could be no doubt that such persons would come within the descrip tion of shopmen or other persons, who were now no longer to be made the subject of taxation.—(Hear, hear.) The Hon. Member for Mi.,dlesex seemed to think that the arrangement with respect to advertisements was not what it should be; he had said that the duty ought to have been reduced in the first instance to a fixed sum. He did not think that the difference between them was consi derable, and he believed that the arrangement, as it now stood, would be a great relict to advertisers.--(Hear.) It had been said that the reductions he had made were very small. He admitted that tit. reduction was small for this year ; but in making that observation, they ought to recollect in what a short period of time ha had been called on to make this reduction, and on what a small amount of disposable revenue he had to operate. Hon. Gentlemen must recollect kow large a portion of the public taxes was r.quired for th e payment of the debt—(Hear)—and bow small a portion, therefore, was left for reduction. Hi. Right Hon. predecessor had reduced four millions, and when be came into office he reduced, is the first year, taxes to the amount of 1,800,0001. He now proposed to r e duce 1,300,0001., so that possible tauppbelyatphpeliepdrinacti he thought he deserved the creutt o H l e er w id a e s " q o u u tt r e in s g ure, from the e ff ec t o f t h e r e duction/ that as it was ptieheofprreesdenucttiznonoiansentatm. I I had already b e en c arr i e d i nto operat i on, t h at t h e re d o 'ions which he now proposed would produce a coos siderable effect in relieving the country, The Right Ho.. Gentleman opposite had comp •red this reduction others, and seemed to consider that it was not of a satisfact tr y kind, because, as he supposed, it was a reducti , n made epee a falling revenue. He (Lord Althorp) denied that it was made upon a falling revenue. The apparent difference 011 which the Right Hon. Gentlem in founded his statement, was occasioned by the candle duty, which had not been wholly taken off last year, and which now, being altogether repealed, made the revenue seem less in comparison ; but the fact was, that the revenue, so far from being a falling, was an improving revenue.—(Hear, hear.) Of all the observations which had been made upon this sta , etn , .nt, that which most surprised him was one made by the Hon. Alderman opposite, with regard to the duty on insurance ; for the plan which he had proposed was actually founded up, n.Alderman upon a memorial w from is Lloyd's, put—(Hear, ot_Ha r yd ' ( s,t e ct which,d a an the n ame lllaugh)—an when he stated he believed it would be satisfactory, he al hided to that very memorial.—(A laugh.) The Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin had complained that, in what he hail propns-d, we had done nothing to reduce taxes in Ireland. He did not admit that statement. Some of the taxes he had reduced did affect Ireland. The Hon and Learned Gentleman himself had admitted that the duty on soap affected Ireland ; and, besides this, he intended to do what he could to remedy the defects re lating to the drawbacks. Then, again, he had removed a part of the duty on raw cotton; and the Hon. and Learned Gentleman knew that there was a cotton trade in Ireland which must receive benefit from the change. Then there was the duty on insurances, which, be admitted, did not affect Ireland much, hut still it was an item in the amount of benefit.—(Heir, hear, hear.) It was true, that the tax on glass and on paper might have been reduced, but it did appear to him, though the Howe was perfectly well aware of his desire to reduce the duty on glass, yet, on this occasion, he had thought the relief he should give, by other reductions, would be more sensibly and advantageously felt. The lax on printed calicoes which he had taken off in, the year 1831, had been a great relief to Ireland. He was sorry he could not do more for Ireland, for he was convinced that this country conld not lay out its money to greater advantage than in relieving and improving the industry of that country. Ile had, however, no great opportunity of making fnrther reductions in the present state of the taxation of the country. A regret had been expressed that be had not reduced the duty on fire insurances, especially with re spect to aericuitural property. It certainly was a subject well worthy of consideration. Bnt he slid not see how it was possible to reduce the taxes on agricultural property generally; and he had not thought it advisable to make that the object of his particular election. It was now stated that the duty on fire insurances amounted to 200 per cent. It would have been useless to snake any but a large reduction in a duty of that kind.—(Sev-ral Mem bers, " Reduce it one half.") Well, one half What would he the consequence of that? Why, that persons would be paying 100 per cent. more than the risk was worth.—(" They now pay 200 per cent.") True ; hut be mentioned this to show that he should not, even by that reduction, be conferring a great benefit on the people. But, let the House look at it in another point of view. The loss to the revenue would be nearly 400,0001. a year. Did they think that that sum could be taken from the revenue, in the shape of a reduced duty on fire insur ances, with more advantage than in the shape of the reiluc tams he had already effected? With regard to the duty on shop windows, it had been said that the reduction would be open to some dispute as to the mode of ascertaining it. He admitted that there might be some difficulty in the matter, but he hoped that it would not give rise to all the inconvenience that was expected. The Honourable Member opposite, the Member for Essex, had charged him with being adverse to keeping up the amount of the reve nue with a view to an annual surplus for the purpose of reducing the national debt. To such a charge he was perfectly ready to plead guilty, for, whether in office or i n opposition, be had altvays been an enemy to keeping the taxes at a high point for the sake of a surplus reve nue. He could by no means agree with those who thought the non-redemption of the public debt was any evidence of the exhaustion of the resources of the country. In the affairs of private life, men entitle:l to redeem an annuity never did so while they had any possible mode of employ ing their capital otherwise; and, speaking generally, that which was true of the individuals held good with re g ird to the nation. The 11. n. Member fur Essex had also endeavoured to show that the public debt must have been grossly mismanaged, because the public were now under the necessity of paying three per cent, for money, wnile it was to he had in Lombard-street for two per cent; but the House should remember that mane, was only to be had at that low rate upon short dates ; and the fact that the debt of the state bore the higher rate of interest was no proof of any lack of public credit nr confidence. On the subject of surplus revenue, he should only make this rt mark that its abuse had not by any means the effect of lottering the funds. He frankly a kuow l-dged he was one of those who did look forward to a aery considerable reduction of the pdblic debt by its conversion into terminable annuities ; but he could not bring himself to believe that tee work of reduction could be advan wet's') effected by any sacrifice of income in the present condition of the country. Mr. A. BARING said a few words in explanation, which, owing to the noise which generally prevailed throughout the House, did not reach the gallery. Lord SANDON was understood to complain tbat some of the present stamp duties were found to be highly in convenient in their operation, and towards certain classes of tradespeople most unjust and oppressive. He therefore desired to call the attention of the Noble Lord, the Chan cellor of the Exchequer, to the subject, in the hole that some us ful modifi ation might be adopted. Mr. SINCLAIR felt persuaded that if the present system is to be persevered in, his Noble Friend had carried reductions as tar as was practicable, and had also evinced a sound discrimination in the selection of the taxes which he proposed to modify. But he was, nevertheless, per- ; B eaded, that the stattment of that evening would be re ceived throughout the country with feelings of disappoint ment and regret. Toe people expected, and were entitled to a far larger measure of relief than it was now intended to bestow. What would they say, if this were to be the only result of that reform which they mainly owed to their own firmness? Of what consequence is it to the working or middling c l ass e s , w h et h er G a tt on a nd Old I Sarum, or Leeds and Manchester, are represented, I or whether any places are represented at all, if their sufferings are not alleviated, and their grievances redressed ?—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") The feelings of the people cannot be tr fled with. It is the general opi nion throughout the country that the national debt is the I root of all our national Buff, ings—and it cannot be main tained much longer at its present amount. The Hoe. Member for Essex had pointed out bo w th e i n t eres t mightl have been reduced if a different system had been adopted thirty years ago; but the question is, what can be done now? He (Mr. S.) was persuaded that the only practi cable course would be, to impose a tax on every species of property for reducing, in while or in part, the principal of the debt, and enabling the Government to take tiff the taxes, by which the interest of that debt is now defrayed. Unless the rich were prepared to make great sacrifices for the relief of the poor, he anticipated that the general dis content would reach its height, and be productive of con vulsion, if not of revolution. Lord ALT HORP said it was perhaps not impossible that some alteration could be effected which would meet the views of the Noble Lord opposite, at least so far as the smaller stamp duties were concerned. Mr. SLANEY said that in this country the humbler classes laboured under the disadvantage of meeting an almost insurmoulatattle obstacle whenever they sought to acquire property in land, owing to the difficulty of making out titles; and in a variety of instances, where great pub lic improvements might otherwise be effected, they were stopped short, from the difficulties which presented them ,,elsre., in the way of making out titles. He trusted, there fore, that the subject would receive the immediate and attentive consideration of his Majesty's Government. Mr. EWART complained of the duty on almanacks. The whole produce of that duty did nut amount to more than 27 0001. per annum ; and for the sake of that com paratively small sum the country was subjected to a most mischievous tax. The effect of the tax was to create a monopoly in favour of a few great capitalists, and thus, in the absence of proper and beneficial competition, the grossest errors crept into publications, which, to be at a I useful, ought to be scrupulously correct. At present one effect of the tax was, the publications of almanacks in the hie of Man, where there was no duty chargeable, and •heir importation into England lull of the errors which they might naturally be expected to contain when pub lished under such circumeatic". Mr. KEMEYS TYNTE was bound, in duty to his eonstauents and to the public, to call the attention of the Noble Lord (Althorp) to a tax which was telt as 'omit oppressive to the county which he had the hone tr to represent. He alluded to the personal estate tax. He :nerdy had to state, that the county of Somerset paid 4451. 15s. to that tax ; Devonshire paid 6851. ; whilst Essex only paid 11.-0 show the partiality and injustice of this tax. He called upon the Hon. Member for Nor folk to support him, for that county paid alone 8411. to his tax. He trusted the Noble Lord would take the p . ar• tiality of th is tax i n t o cons id erat i on , an d tota ll y repea l it. The resolution was then agreed to; the House resit n and the report was ordered to be received on Monday. On the motion of Lord ALTHORP. it was agreed that the House at its rising do adjourn to Monday. Mr. HUME wished to call the attention ~f the Noli!e Lord opposite to the circumstance, that the office of Cap tain of his Majesty's Band of Gentlemen P , n , ioners woe at present vacant. He hoped, then, that it would not be filled up without an express stipulation, that the right heretofore claimed by that officer, of selling the situations in the Band whenever they became vac int, shoo' I n tt t e considered a vested interest, and should not be allowed to interfere with any reforms which Parliament might her . after think necessary. On the order of the day being moved for bringing up the report on the Bill for defraying the expenses of ti•c removal of trials in Ireland, a conversa•ion took plate, arisin g out of a complaint on the part of Mr Hume, that those expenses were not regularly brought under the con sideration of Parliament, snd placed, as they should he, under the contr.! of that House. Sir J. HOBHOUSE had no reluctance to submit all expenses of that or any other kind, to the fulhat investi gation of Parliament; but he confessed, that in that case he did not exactly see how it could he done annually. Mr. HMIE suggested its introduction into the civil contingencies. Eventually, the further consideration of the report was deferred to Monday. Mr. J. ROMILLY moved the second reading of the Payment of Deets' Bill, which he described as one of the greatest importance. As the law at present stood, a moan possessed of 10,0001. a year landed property may die in deb —say a year's income ; but if he left no personal pro perty, his creditors would be deprived of their just rights; or, at any rate, be dependent upon the precarious sense of justice of the successor. A man left trustee of personal property, and investing this in land, if he dies, tat pro. petty then comes to the heir at law, and the real owners may he made hegi4ars. This was not a case, perhaps of common occurrence, any more than parricide ; hut there ought to be provisions against every sort of offence and fraud. For this evd, it wou d not be necessary to make any very great alterations in the existing laws; and before giving his plan, be would cite the authority of a Learned judge, woo, whatever fault had been found with h m wit indisputably one of the greatest and most enlightened judges that bad ever sat on the Bench--he meant Lord Mansfield.—(Hear.) This great man said, ‘a that very honest man should make a charge on his estate in his will, to provide for the payment of his debts; and he who did not so, might be said to sin in his grave." The object of the present alteration in the Law was to make it impera tive on all persons to make this provision for the payment of their debts. The Bill, without further obeervation, was read a second time, and ordered to b• committed on Wednesti, ' next. On the motion of Mr. KENNEDY, the Law of Irel :nd Bill was read a second time, and ordered to he committed on the 6th of May. The Tenure Bill was also read a second time. O❑ the motion of the same Hon and Learned Member, the Public Revenue of Scotland Bill was read a third time and passed. Mr. HALCOMB (Dover) had to crave the indulgence of the House so far as to allow that the time for giving in his qualification, as required by the standing order of the day, might be extended for a single day. He had in ef fect substantially complied with this form of the House by delivering in the statement of his qualification to the Clerk of the House, but having been called suddenly into the country on an urgent occasion a day before Good Fri day, he had been uuahle to complete the particulars of his qualification, which, however, he was fully pr, pared with, if the House would indulge him with this extended time. On the motion being put, Mr. WYNN must observe, that the indulgence re quested was very unusual, and he might say unprece 'enter! ; and as he knew of no precedent preci , ely similar, he would recommend the adjournment of the debate upon the subject. The Right Hon. Gentleman concluded by moving, as an amendment, that the farther debate on the subject be adjourned until Monday next. The qt.:esti, n being put, a conversation took place as to the propriety of sdjourning the debate. The Howie theo , iivided, when there appeared— For the original motion Against it Majority The discussion on the original question was thee resumed. Mr. WYNN said that the Committee which would have to try the petition would not be bound by the stand ing order of the House, but by the provisions of the Act of Parliament; and that the Hon. Meinbtr had coin plied with the latter. He was disposed to give his vote in favour of the extension of time sought for by the Hon. and Learned 111-mber. Mr. MURRAY contended that no sufficient grounds had been shown why the standing order should not be enforced. If the House bad hitherto observed the standing order, it should continue to do so. Mr. P. HOWARD said that it would be doing a great act of injustice in the present case to the petitioners, who were not present to defend themselves, if the House granted that the time should be extended. Mr. G. LAMB opposed the motion. After a few words from Mr. GODSON and Mr. Jxavis, the SPEAKER. at the request of Mr. Wynn, delivered his opinion upon the subject. T , :e RIGHT HON. GENTLEMAN said that the non compliance with the Standing Order was a question en tirely betwe• n that House and the sitting Member. The petiti , n, under all circumstances, must go before the Com mittee, and they would have to decide on the allegations made in it. It was for the Committee to decide on the question of qualification or no qualification. If the peti tioners should think themselves prejudiced in any way by the Standing Order not having been complied with, they could appeal to that House, who would deal with the in fraction of the order as they should think fit. The House then divided— For the Motion 36 Against it 54 Majority l6 EMANCIPATION OF THE JEWS. Mr. R. GRANT brought in a Bill for removing the civil disabilities of the Jews. After a few observations from Sir R. INGLI9 and Mr. It. GRANT, the Bill was read a first time, and ordered t• be read a second time on the Ist of Miy Adjourned at a Quarter before One this morning. STATE OF TRADE.—NO fewer than five shop% in Roston Market-place, and many others in good situations in the town, are now advertised to be let. For merly a house in the front could scarcely lie obtained on any terms.—Stamford News. GAMBLERS' SYMPATHY.—Captain G., who had, as it is called, been "cleaned out" (which is ahother term for being robbed oehis whole fortune), not long since at the " Northern Hell," died lately of a broken heart, and in extreme poverty. So desperate, indeed, was his poverty, that the persons under whose care be expir,d, thought it advisable to apply to " the Club" for the means of burying him; but the answer was that " they had done with him." TRAVELLING TRAVAIL.—A Singular oc currence took place on Sundiy evening last. A lady got into the Herald coach at Chideock, with the intention of journeying to London, and before her arrival at Bridport she was safely delivered of a fine child, which with the mother is likely to do well.—Dorset Chronicle. SUPPOSED SUICIDE.—On Saturday morn ing, about five o'clock, policeman LUCAS olserved some thing floating in the liver, near Blacktriars-bridge. He went down the steps and dragged the body of a fine young woman out of the water. She was dead, ut did not appe-tr to have been many hours in the water, t' e body being quite fresh. A shell was procured and the corpse was conveyed to Christ Church workhouse. The deceased appears to be about 25, her figure rerna , kably fine, and her features handsome. She was dressed in a brown stuff dress, but had neither cap nor bonnet. Nothing was found in her pockets, and no means of ascertaining who she was could be discovered. On examining her body there were no marks of violence. THE LATE EARL OF CARNARVON.--Died on Tuesday morning, at his residence in Grosvenor-square, r file r a t t 7t Britain, i,uncj,cueane succeeded i g ns h : t;e; Steward ditelaatrkr of e do f Newbury,Ahpal.26 father HENRYGEORGE HERBERT, Earl Of CA INAILYON and Baron il PORCHESTER, of High Clere, county Southampton, in the P' H me x ren N r a x jig Y eu , ni lef the 3G. 1796, ELIZABETH KITTY, daughter and heir of the late Colonel JOHN and Lady HARRIET DYKE ACLAND, by whom (who died March 5, 1813) hie Lordship has left issue Lady HARRIET ELIZABETH, married to the Rev. J. C. STAPLETON. HENRY JOHN GEORGE L .rd POR-t CHESTER (now Earl of CARNARYON) 1830, HENRIETTA ANNE, eldest daughter Duke oft e No l R. Lord HENRY HOWARD, and neice to the YOLK, and to the Hon. E. C. HICAII!AT! late 1 . 1 1.1% . 1 r edin life as the friend Callington. Lord CamiA.Krosr . iitar t olitical opinions of If Mr. Fox, and i pari_cipaior the • who, however, omitted his Lordship the present Premier, • • arrangements attendant . on the forms, in the Moistens t and tbenoe it is said arose don of the present *s poiiition to the Reform 13111 , which he denounced I ::iti7 P all the vehemence of an ultra -Contervative. married, hAugautse