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the Mi. awns of n parti. vince of is of the te legal AY.) PERIALPA ft. LIAM ENT THIS DAY. THURSDAY, JULY 4. HOUSE OF COMMONS. The gallery was opened at a quarter past twelve, when we ° und nearly a hundred Members in the House. Ur. R. ( - LIVE brought up the report of the Fitzwilliam i:state Bill ; and upon his motion the Bill was read a third Ittie and passed. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. at the ountant Mr. M. O'FERRALL, upon his name being called from he Speaker's list, rose to present a petition. Lord ALTHORP said it was the understood intention of House to proceed that morning with that important mea. tire, the Irish Church Temporalities Bill.—(Hear, hear.) lion. Gentlemen, he thought, would agree with him, that it vas necessary to devote the mornings of all excepting two lays, to the business actually in a state of progress, in order hat the labours of the session might be finished in moderate ;trite. He would suggest that these morning sittings should be onfined solely to the orders of the day, and the passing of Bills, that not only might the public business proceed more rapidly, but that such ,Gentlemen as had Bills in charge might se enabled to prosecute their completion. He would suggest that that day should be appropriated, as was appointed, to the Irish Church Temporalities Bill.—(hear.) Mr. CoFERRALL said, lie conceived it to be his duty to Present the petition, as his name had been called.— (Cries of No, no.") . Lord ALTHORP, in reply to some observations from Sir S. WHALLEY, proposed that the House should receive peti tions on Mondays and Wednesdays, and take the orders of the day and Bills on Tuesday:, Thursdays, and Fridays. Mr. FINN expressed his opinion of the necessity of having some of his Majesty's Ministers in the House during the pre sentation of petitions. Lord ALTHORP was understood to say, that when any petition was of such a nature as to require the attendance of some member of the Government, such attendance, upon notice, would be given. Mr. W. W. WYNN was sure it was the duty of every Member to afford every facility to the progress of public business. Whether Hon. Members agreed to the measures to be brought forward or not, yet all must agree in the fact that it was of the highest importance that every means should be favoured which were calculated either to carry those measures through, or to have them rejected.—(Hear.) nice via! A new proposition was now brought forward, and would it the bill! not be proper - and neces sar y th a t upon th e d ays on w hi c h cston had the public business was to be taken at twelve o'clock, re Henry the sittings of the Committees now elsewhere should be sus: he coup' pended Whatever the measures might be, it would be ex ivingtoa tremely unsatisfactory to have them disposed of while a crowd he plain' of Hon. Members were sitting, and necessarily engaged in •tly atte t another part of the House.—(Hear.) They were now at the although usual period at w hi c h th e S ess i on closed, and yet there were fendant'; three of the greatest questions to be considered whi c h h a d ever I the bit come before th e House, and upon which Bills had not yet even ice given' been introduced, namely, the Bank Charter, the East India and le having the West India questions ; and all he (Mr. W.) protested creditor!, a gainst was, th a t th ose subjects shou ld b e now m ixed up so a s mica Ba t to take one one:day, another the next day, and so on. He sub. who soon milted that his Majesty's Ministers ought to take up one, and ngton, t . c , go on wi t h it to a termination before they advanced to another. edLearne the W i t ` __.(C heers hs course would b e by far the most satisfac , and n: tory, and * Would i greatly shrten di, cussion.—(Hear.) Lord ATTHORP entirely concurred with what had fallen led a vet' from the Hon. G en tl eman who had sat down. He had thought at the co mmencement of the session that that would be the best DAY)'systemto adopt, alth oug h i t h a d certainly not been attended to _ hithe rto. It was th e sys t em b y which business was the most likely to be got through, and he would now assure the House that hereafter one subject should be taken up, and that that rived Or should be gone through with as far as was practicable before sd Blac 14 ; any other question of importance was touched upon.—(Cheers.) river an really of wa s sure th a t h a d t h e N o bl e L or d b een o opinion, at the commencement of the session, that the Majesty systent now proposed would have been the most desirable, it 3. Ande r would not have been objected to by the House. Indeed, he rem embered that when the Irish Coercion Pill was brought in, w ., ty.e,5,41 Irish Church Bill was introduced at the same time, and it son, sat', w as said that the latter was to be carried forward, pari passu, packet' with the f ormer. Hon. Members, however, soon found that and per e xclusive e xclusive a tt ent i on was given to the Coercion Bill until it was Fadras and lope; aa, might carried into a law, while the Church Bill was allowed to go, he say, entirely to sleep.—(Hear, hear.) Still he hailed m List the present proposition as the beginning of an era, which a and alO soun der system wa s t o commence th an h a d hith er t o b een gone raphic a ,, e ; u pon. It h a d b een only a system of scrambling night-work—. g with e' an effort t o see w h ose physical strength was the greatest and Tercel ° w ould endure the longest. N ow , h owever, t h ey were a b out would i n ; to begin business at ten or eleven o'clock, when all other pro. Perly constituted bodies did begin th e i r wor k , and that system y e. should have all the assistance to maintain it which it was in his power to afford, saving to himself the opportunity of taking smy, ft ° breakfast.—(Laughter.) Sir R. INGLIS did not think that the system now proposed hall, fr vl Would either facilitate the progress of business, or shorten the session. ,ngs, fr °# Lord ALTHORP moved that the order of the day for the Hear Consideration of the report upon the Church Temporalities 3m (Ireland) Bill be now read. tchie, SHAW begged to ask what course would be pursued as to the a mendments ? 'ova Scni i • Conn` Mr. I V. W. WYNN suggested that, in order to relieve the Speaker, the Bill should be recommitted, and all the business .Iliott, St' transacted in the Committee, on the understanding that the ,re port was t o b e received immediately after. !son, Gl s Lord ALTHORP said, upon such an understanding lie s e aflosf Would,__ at on ce agree with the proposition. Ch l ai h r e . House th en went i nto Comm i ttee, M r. E wen i n t h e On the 3d clause being read, Mr. WYNN said he had hoped that his suggestion as to the 0 the Cl 6 a i l l 'P e llltment of the C omm i ss i oners , wou ld h ave b ee n adopted. oii e c onsidered i t would be better that they shou ld b e appo i n t e d n ail front L- his M a j esty, as the head of the Church, instead of the L or d the 19th i ente On nant, 11 was t r :, his motion to that effect, the clause was altered. cent. P the r . ItUTHVEN suggested, that in place of paying any of Co mmissioners it would be beiter that bishops should be a PPoin ted. , spee air. LLOYD moved the insertion in the clause of the words ty re- 4 1 not in holy order." There were the two archbishops, and by ace_ foy., ' ar chbisho s, alread appointed by the Bill to the Lord gat Challeelior and Lord Chief Justice, so that, even were the ity of 14 other on 00 .., eccieca t hree , to be laymen, there would still be a majority of a Lordst",e,s 8, an 4 „, 0- .r,s,THORP could not agree with the amendment. : h o e s obje e ded.oiit not see that a person in holy orders should be disquali ointect tr b e l eft l t Would, in his opinion, be better that the choice should 41°1: sir It. the discretion of the Crown. ndly, hich when th_FEEL thought they had not yet come to the time L, tha t t app oint _', House w ou ld say, t h a t ecc l es i as ti cs should not be y , There co to a B oard that was to deal with eccles i ast i ca l ma t ters. e were here six of the Commissioners already appointed .ition be c ro ,„ before ot e tileet on " ti n — he would suggest that the other three should attacl` e • Lay actor by the Bishops —that plan was now pursued in the o f IA; M m t i,: n trnunts to the Board of First Fruits. tha t th 'NCH thought that one of the evils of the Bill was eel by p t cler of ,ng doted - I x ° l gY Ireland would be rendered by it so dependent , to do t '' ICU ardeu "o. he thought that the measure ought to le the for v , to the att Y the House with extreme jealousy. With respect ating a I Sir 11 0 c ent he thought it was not distinguished by good. cr apl o H o 'iour a b i 1 ' INGLIS thought the suggestions of his Right e Fri ' er nraent . end ought to receive the attention of the of at the c e c ould not but express the gratification he felt nce t w ondu et mna „. " Who diet Pursued by the greater number of those Mem.. mit ) ? Onirch , u net Profess the communion of the Established eco— e of fur l , What Mr. stip, W ell a~ - ..at th e L thought the House ought to bear in mind ain there Commission might eventually have to do. In Formatia ° rain ed ' , as a surpl us , t h e P arl i ament h a d no t ye t deter mg, „on! th at i, W . nat was to be done with it—it had not been determined di n g Of If n 0 uld be applied to purposes exclusively ecclesiastic. o`ule s urplus was to be applied to temporal purposes, he d t a sk whether it w as no t reasona bl e t h at th ere s h ou ld b e temporal Commissione rs f or a pplyi ng t h e f un d t o tempora l Purposes. Why should it be left entirely to clerical men 7 ( Hear.) In his opinion, there should be the check of Lay Co mmissioners, and he therefore thought it the duty of the k in. Gentleman to insist upon his amendment, even to a others, n action izea for trary to ed with o case of )AY). lewhole for the om pull• It by the vid Gar- n upon 3 , rs, to re• residing lon, wlio ill of ex• insferred ay, 89'4 yet On ercial 110` al liou' e arge 3 0° ndia. of the wait furl tcb o 90, 13 , it tie d o t ; ouch 3 ' LOCI t late 00 To 31ealati g to a pl peatg i t o Nag, / for a'' cour•e' WW l' , Igistrne cattleri keep; era. oritie, s sex, ' 146 prefer,, FRI r pirclit P .t the r o ing Is 4 p nnighP Lord ALTHORP could not concede with the line of argil. Ment adopted by the Hon. Member who had Gentlemen he th° ughj, there was very ; little chance of all the three Krug( Clergymen. In his . opinion, the Crown ought to have e Pportunity of appointing the Commissioners. r, S it S. WHALLEY thought, considering the very extensive wer e '°wers w hich, under the 68th, 69th and 71st c l auses o f th e Bill, d ve , st ed in th e C omm i ss i oners, to deal with any surplus fun i - , w " i ch might come to their hands in the building of glebe i h i:l, - , es and additional churches, and in the increase of small s, as in thisrespect a duty of a very delicate nature '"uld devolve on r t e h s e p m, it was very desirable, in order to raise them above a suspicion, that there should at least oufef.it.shnoßely po e tr l ho a te y : n: tn e ab n nj in the commission who could not be susPec e t c r t el t i l g ia io n n a wish to support the general interests Mr. A j lion . °I-STSTONE could not approve of , the constitu. of this Ec clesiastical Commission. In Scotland every liriataetdter e2,,-' is r " — "lng the interests of the church itself wa, r i eg . u. were •-1 the Ecclesiastical Courts, but when the ` temporalities ities w here e°neer ned, they then came to the supreme civil court, n ~,,,,, s° stile was dispensed. At present the power of t t h h e e c c ro n l . • Missith:rt,ensive under this Bill that the nomination . lirM • See rtt iTh ght just as well be at once vested in i the Right mi., Limalry fo r I reland. —(Hear.) inr nPete r , t 0 did not contend that ecclesiastical persons were h the Coi n ,. t o the proper discharge of the functions w ii possibility would - iinp ( os ' e • but in order to obviate the zeal might sosPicion, that a ' not illimitable, but indiscreet well at the eXercised by the ecclesiastical members, it was that laymen -ar4 ,: ti me to secure the independence of the Board, mittee on the'q"u°eusitd• li),e eligible. He should divide the Corn. Noes. ''' a.io. '''' ****************** The questio for a iliVialoll Wh n e W n a t S h t e hen Put, and the Gallery was cleared Ayes ******** re * aPPeared— 47 The 149 9 against the amendment amendtnent was consequently lost. lO2 On our • re _adirussion to the gallery, we found • 111 . r ' S HE IL addressing the House The Hon. Member rnn!luired what salaries had been fixed or supposed for the Corn .sissioners ? He would suggest the insertion of the words - not exceeding I , soo l."—(Cries of " Oh, and laughter." Well, then, he would say 1,0001.—(lIonewed laughter.)—But surly some amount ought to be fixed. Sir R. PEEL—The Hon. Gentleman had mentioned 1,5001., as if that was a moderate amount. He thought diffe. rently ; indeed, it was not at all necessary to fix any amount, because he (Sir R. Peel) could conceive that persons might be found quite ready to accept the office, who would be satisfied with the repayment of the actual expenses to which they had been put. Perhaps the Hon. Member had not forgotten that the salaries or expenses would have to be paid out of the church returns.—(Hear, and laughter.) It would be time enough to determine the remuneration when the duty to be performed was ascertained.—Hear.) Lord ALTHORP said, the observations of the Hon. Baronet were perfectly correct. The remuneration could not be determined until the amount of responsibility of duty were ascertained. Mr. FINN was not disposed to leave these matters to the liberality of the Irish Government. All the Irish Judges in Ireland were overpaid. An HON. MEmaga asked if the Board of First Fruits was overpaid with only 7001. ? _ . . Mr. FlNN—Their labours had not been great, for they had but little in the way of first fruits to administer. Several verbal amendments were agreed to in pages 5,6, 7, 8, at 9. Sir ROBERT PEEL objected to the phraseology of the Bill. It was generally too expletive. In the page then before the House occurred the words " examine, search, and inquire." He could see no use in using these three words when one would sufficiently express the sense.--;Hear.) If this were a re formed Parliament, its phraseology ought to be reformed. — (Hear, hear.) Again, the words " requisite arid necessary" came together, as if one was not enough. If these repetitions of words were allowed to occur, it would still continue to be necessary to consult a lawyer in order to understand an Act of Parliament.—(Hear.) Several verbal amendments were then made in that and following pages. Mr. SHAW proposed that the tax upon the incomes of the clergy should not be imposed upon their gross income, but on what was left after the payment of curates. There were many livings so large as to compel the rectors to employ two or three curates. Now, it would be a great hardship, that a rector should have to pay a tax as for an income of 7001. per annum, when half of it was paid away in obtaining ne cessary assistance. After some observations by Mr. STANLEY, Mr. WYNNr, Mr. LEFROY, and others, Lord ALTHORP agreed to make an amendment in the tax ing clause, which should make allowance for the salaries paid on account of curates. Mr. FINN suggested that in all cases where the:income of the rector was 5001. or more, he should be obliged to pay 1001. out of it to any curate he might employ. Nine tenths of the eccle siastical duty was done in Ireland by curates on small salaries, whilst the rectors were enjoying themselves at Bath or Chel tenham. In some of the dioceses in Ireland the Catho:ic clergy had been for some time obliged to give their curates one third of their income if they lived out of their house, and one-fifth if they lived in the house with them. The result had been a marked improvement in the discipline of the Catholic church, and the system was about to be extended to every diocese. At a future opportunity he should move an amendment, to carry his suggestion into effect. Mr. STANLEY gave the Hon. Member every credit for good motives, but his amendment, he feared, would merely have the effect of throwing many estimable men out of employ ment, for if a minimum were fixed, which the rectors did not choose to pay he would dismiss his curate. Fixing a mini. mum limit to wages, if of any effect at all, always operated to the injury of those intended to be ben ',fitted, by depriving them of employment they might otherwise have. Several verbal amendments were proposed to clauses from 36 to 46 both inclusive, which were either afterwards withdrawn or agreed to without a division, On the Chairman reading the 47th clause, Mr. O'DWYER proposed as an amendment, that all the words after " Whereas," should be left out, and others inserted to the effect, that after the passing of that Bill, no Archbishop or Bishop should, by virtue of his episcopal office, sit or vote in the House of Lords.—(Laughter.) Strangers were or dered to withdraw, but no division took place. The Hon. Gentleman having withdrawn his motion, he said he would give notice of his intention of moving it when the next Church Reform Bill was before the House. On coming to that clause which stated that as the revenue, of the Archbishops of Armagh and Dublin exceeded the others, and should, therefore, certainly be reduced. Sir H. INGLIS objected to it as establishing a most per nicious principle. If the House passed it, then how could they refuse to entertain such a motion as this if he was to bring it forward,—" Whereas, as the revenues of the Dukes of Sutherland and Cleveland far exceed those of other Dukes," — (the conclusion of the sentence was drowned in very loud cries of " Oh, oh.") Mr. W. EVANS thought the income of the Bishops was much too large for their duty, and that the diminution of their wealth and splendour would not produce a diminution in their efficacy or respect. In the notice which he had given, he had intended to have proposed that the income of the future Bishops of Derry should be reduced to 50001 a year. since that period, however, he had been induced by several Gentlemen to alter that sum to 6,0001. a year. The incomes of the Bishops of Kilinore, Cashel, and Tuam, were in his opinion too large, but he did not feel himself competent to take up so great a subject as dealing with them. He should therefore move that an addition be made to the clause to the effect that the income of all future bishops of Derry should be reduced to 6,0001. a year. He thought there was no Hon. Member who would not join with him in thinking that sum quite adequate. Lord ALTHORP observed that although it was undoubt edly that the present Bishop of Derry had accepted that see upon the understanding that it was to be subject to any deduc tions that might be decided upon, without any limit whatfwer. Yet in hia (Lord Althorp's) opinion, upon the construction of that understanding. it would not be expedient that he should be placed in a worse situation as Bishop of Derry than he was as Bishop of Killaloe. He did not object to the proposition of Lis Hon. Friend, as he had now brought it for ward, but he should have given his decided opposition to it if its effect had been to place the Bishop of Derry in the situa tion to which he had alluded. Mr. SHIEL did not rise to make any objection to the present Bishop of Derry retaining double the income he en joyed as Bishop of Killaloe. They were at once adopting the example of reducing the salaries of the Bishops, but were they aware that while they were diminishing their revenues they were doubling their patronage? For example, they were combining Raphoe with Derry, and at the same time throwing the whole of the patronage of the former into the latter for the purpose of compensating for the reduction of the salaries, that it was much better, when they had merged one bishopric into another, instead of extending the patronage, they should convey it at once to the Crown—; Hear—or even to the Commissioners.—Hear.) He particularly called the attention of the House to that fact. There was a church reform, and yet the patronage of Bishops in Ireland was doubled by it. Besides the reduction of salary was founded on the present actual salary, and not on the real duties to be performed. If 4,0001. was enough for A, wisp should B receive 5,0001., and C 8,0001. ? There was no fair adjustment, no proporton in the case, and condemning the past augmentation of patronage, the reduction which had tal;en place was far from meeting the jus tice of the case, so that the real nuisance was substantially untouched.— (Hear, hear.) The Honourable and Learned Gentleman, in conclusion, declared his intention, on the third reading of the Bill, to bring up a clause by way of rider for reducing the salaries of the Irish Bishops. After some further discussion, in which Mr. O'Connell, Sir R. Inglis, Sir R. Peel, and other Members, took part, the House adjourned till 5 o'clock, when the discussion would be renewed. Of 4S (Teller include that three of the C "not being in holy Aglionby, H. A. Hewes, T. Blake, J. M. Buller, C. Briggs, R. Brotherto', J. Brocklehurst, J. Chapman, ' Curteis E. B. Evcris, G. Evans, W. Faithful!, G. Finn, W. F. Fit zsimon, Handler, B. Hurst, R. H. MINORITY cl) who voted for Mr. Lloyd's amendment, :hurch Commissioners should be persons orders." Jervis, J. Talbot, J. Lambert, 11. Tayleure, W. Leech.. Todd, J. R. Lister, E. C. Tynte, C. K. Molesworth, Sir W. Trelawney, W. L. S. O'Dwyer, A. C. Vigors, N. A. O'Connor Don Wallace, R. O'Connor, F. Wallace, T. , O'Ferrall, R. M. Walker, C. A. Parrott, J. Ward, H. G. Roc •e, W. Whalley, Sir S. Roebuck, J. A. \Wks, J. Scholefield, J. White, S, Sheil, R. L I Stanley, E. r TELLER. Lloyd, J. H. OLD BAILEY-(THIS DAY.) This morning these Sessions commenced, before Mr. Justice J. Parke, Mr. Justice Gaselee, the Lord Mayor, Recorder, &c. OLD COURT. . THE CALTHORPE.STREET AFFAIR. George Furscy, whose trial had been postponed from the last Session, was placed at the bar, charged with stabbing John Brook, a police constable in Calthorpe-street, on the 13th of May, with intent to do him some grievous bodily harm. The prisoner, who on his apprehension was very meanly dressed, appeared now in a good suit of clothes, and had alto gether a respectable appearance. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL (with whom was Mr. Wightman) appeared for the prosecution. The Learned Gentleman said he would not make either statement or comment in this case The prisoner's counsel, according to the present state of the law, had no power to address the Jury, and as he believed that one side ought not to have a privilege not possessed by the other, he would make no statement of the facts, but leave them to be given in evidence by the witnesses, feeling convinced that the verdict, whatever it was, would be perfectly satisfac tory to the country. John Brook-1 do not now belong to the police, but to the Lincoln Militia. I am Sergeant-major in that Militia, and was appoit.ted on the 4th June. I lad been upwards of twelve months in the C division of police. On the kith May, I was called out about 12 o'clock. We went from St. James's watch_ house to the Riding.schooi in Gray's Inn.lane. We got to the Riding.school about 2 o'clock, and remained there about an hour. I was then ordered to march in the right sub. division. There were about 40 men in that sub-division. We marched round Gray's Inn-lane into Calthorpe-street , whe• e I saw a vast number of people coming apparently from the fields at the other end of the street. There were several hundreds, the street,: being full of them, About the centre of the street I saw a person with a banner fulled up in his left hand. 1 saw him some paces before he got where I was. The b inner appeared a sort of American banner—white and red. The prisoner was the person who carried the banner. When he came in the centre of the street where I was, he raised his right hand, and struck me in the sixth rib on the left side. Before then I had done nothing. I had never rose my staff, nor struck any one, nor saw any body else attempt to do so. I only commanded the subdivision. The blow was with the right hand, and the instrument was something like a dagger about seven or eight inches long. The hilt of it was brass. After I had received the blow, I retired back two or three paces; I then looked particularly at the prisoner, and saw an instrument like a dagger in his right hand. My wound was a very severe one, and I was obliged to leave the division. A constable, named Redwood, who was on my left, ran towards the prisoner, and I saw him and the prisoner, and other con stables scuffling. I went towards the fields and met a sergeant, who took me to a doctor to have my wound dressed. It bled very much. It was eight or nine days before I was able to go about. When the wound was probed, it was found that the dagger had struck the sixth rib. Cross-examined by Mr. PHILLIPS—My rib was not broken. I got the situation in the Lincoln Militia since this affair; Lord Portmore is the colonel. I don't know how many divisions, or subdivisions, there were on this occasion. I had my sight until I was wounded, and then my sight was taken away. Ctwld not say whether there were 1,200 policemen or not. All had truncheons that I knew of. I did not see the hustings or railings. I slid not see that the people were doing all they could to get out of the way of the police. I could not see further than the end of the street, but I saw none of the people endeavouring to get away. The people came down upon our division, as I supposed to drive them out of the street. All my sub-division had truncheons to the best of my know ledge. They were paraded before they left the Riding-school, and I saw that they there had truncheons. My men did not march to the ground with their truncheons resting on their left arms. I gave them no orders to draw their truncheons. I cannot say whether that part of the subdivision in my sight nad their truncheons out. They might have had their trun cheons out. My subdvision were between thirty and forty. Will not swear there were not fifty, but there were not sixty. When we attempted to get down the street I did not consider the people peaceable, but 1 cannot swear that there was a single act of violence until I was stabbed. When I was going towards the mob, the people were scuffling with the police. Directly after that I was stabbed. When I saw the people and police scuffling, I saw none of the latter using their truncheon 7. 1 . - .aw some of them with truncheons, but saw none of them use them. I was not examined at the inquest on the policeman who was killed. I don't know who is the prosecutor in this case ; I incur no expense that lam aware of. I gave no in structions. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said he thought it could not be doubted that it was a public prosecution, and that he attended here in his official capacity. Mr. Pntm.ies said he wanted to show that it was a Govern ment prosecution, and that all the power of Government was against the poor prisoner. The LearnedSolicitor-General had pompously said he would not make a speech on his opening the case, but he (Mr. Phillips) thought that circumstance was against and not in favour of the prisoner. Mr. Justice GASELEE said no one could doubt that it was a public prosecution; and the Solicitor-General had with the greate.it fairness and liberality alluded to the Bill in Parliament in favour of which he was strenuously exerting himself, to allow prisoner's counsel to address a jury, and he had given the prisoner one of the benefits of that Bill before it was passed—at all events he had refused to make a statement, as the prisoner's counsel could not address the jury. The witness proceeded—l do not know a man in the police of the name of Popay. I may know him by another name. I never heard the name of Popay in the police. I have not seen a man of that name here to-day. I don't know that any policemen were on the ground in plain clothes that day. I saw none of the people wounded on that day ; nor did I see any women or children knocked down or bleeding in the streets. I don't know whether when before the magistrate I said that after I was struck I retired two or three paces, and then turned back and looked particularly at the prisoner. I believe I did say so. The Learned Counsel directed the policeman Popay to be called in and confronted with the witness. Popay, it will be recollected, was the person who was corn. plaincd of by a petition presented to the House of Commons, as being a spy in the service of the police. Witness—l don't recollect whether I ever saw him before. I never spoke to him or saw him to my knowledge. He is no acquaintance of mine. The word of command was given at the riding-school to draw truncheons, and I believe the order was obeyed. Colonel Rowan was in Gray's.inn-lane. Did not see Lord Melbourne that day. Before being in the police was twenty-five years in the Guards. Left the Guards on my own account. No courtmartial or court of inquiry was ever held on me. Did not hear cries of " Shame " from the in habitants in Caithorpe-street. After I was stabbed, I saw the prisoner in a stable or coach-house. I did not then say, " That's the man, because he carried the death and liberty flag." Did not hear any other person say so. There were fifty or sixty persons in that stable or coach.house, but not all policemen. When I got in, the prisoner was called for ward by name, and I identified him. That was an hour and a half or two hours after I was stabbled. I don't recollect seeing any wounded men in the stable. The priso. ner was bleeding at the side of his face, but I saw no wound. I did not see that his head was bandaged. I did not perceive that lie had been violently treated. Re-examined—l was twenty-five years in the lit Grenadier Guards, and I was entitled to my discharge at twenty.one years. I was at the Battle of Waterloo. By Mr. Justice JAMES PARKE—I observed no one try to take the flag before I was struck. 1 did not try to take it. Henry Charles Redwood examined by Mr. WICIITNIAN— Was a police constable of the C division on time 13th of May. The last witness was my sergeant. When we got into Cal thorpe-street, we found a mob of people coming from the fields, and saw a flag, which I have now to produce, carried by the prisoner. (The flag was produced. It was a red and white striped flag, with stars in one corner, and a blue ground.) The prisoner carried the flag furled in his left hand. He came from the right-hand corner of Calthorpe-street, and I left my rank to get the colours from the prisoner; and while doing so, Brook said, " Hold." That was before I got to the prisoner. Brook was in front of the prisoner, and then the prisoner passed Brook. I lost sight of Brook, but kept my attention to the prisoner. I then went up to him and demanded the colours. He refused to deliver them, and I said I would take them from him ; then seized the flag with both hands, and at that moment he raised his right hand, in which I saw a blade, terminating in a point, about six or eight inches in length. I then struck him with my staff for my safety. Before I struck him I raised up my left arm to ward off the blow, and I received a stab in the arm, I struck him somewhere on the head, and then collared him and took him into custody. The wound I received was a three-sided one. Mr. CLARKSON objected to this evidence, as it was the subject of another charge Their Lordships overruled the objection. Witness—Theinstrument was afterwards found in the stable. When I took him into custody I delivered him over to Hoiland and Compton of the C division, and they took him away. Mr. PHILLIPS and Mr. CLARKSON objected to the admission • of evidence respecting the nature of the witness's wound, in aggravation of this case, because it was the subject of another indictment. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL contended, that it was evidence in this case, merely to show the prisoner to be in possession of some instrument, and not to put the witness's wound as a part of this case. Their LORDSHIPS admitted the evidence, but took a note of the objection. Witness—My wound was a three-edged one. I am a native of Rickmansworth, and was once at St. Alban's. Never was there on any charge that I know of. I was indicted there for au assault. That fact just came to my knowledge on a sudden. That was the only charge ever brought against me. I know Giltspur-street Compter. I was taken there once wrongfully. I don't consider that a charge. I was not confined there. I had got some property of my own, and another man wanted it, and I would not let him have it ; and was taken there and liberated immediately. Have been in the police two years last April. I was not charged Giltspur-street Compter with a felony. Can't recollect what the property was, Out I bought it and paid for it ; a watch and a gown were among it. The man accused me of stealing . the property. I bought the watch fur my wife, in 1824, of Mr Attwell of Uxbridge, whose name was on it. Gave 5/. for it . I have sioce got other property from that man, which he had of mine. He had possession of my property because he lived in the same house as I did. My wife told roe he got the pr - perty from her, but I don't know why he got it. Since I have been in the police, there has been no charge of intemperance against me. There was never any report against me. Never was put on what was called Station-house duty in consequence of intemperance ; was never confined to in-door dut) in crise. quence of any charge against me ; was once put as turnkey at St. James's station-house, but not in consequence of any charge against me. The subdivision commanded by Brooks consisted of fi om 22 to 26, but not 30. We did not parade in Dawson's riding-house. There were from 400 to S(X) in the riding-house. There was no examination to see if we had our staves, Sic. ; we had some string tied round the staves, so that we might not lose them. We were the first subdivision that left Daw son's livery-stables for Calthorpe-street. An order was given to us by superintendent Baker, to draw our staves, and Brooks drew his. - Brooks was in front of me. saw no policeman spit in his hand to grasp his staff the stronger. When we got into Calthorpe-street, we were twelve or thirteen abreast, and in the middle of the road. I heard hooting and hallooing, and saw brick bats and stones flying. Saw about a dozen brick bats and stones. Did not hear any cries but the shouting of the mob ; the mob to the number of 200, were coming towards Gray's Inn lane, as fast as they could come. The meeting had dispersed at that time. I don't know that those persons who were com ing towards Gray's Inn-lane were pursued by the police. The people separated on each side of us, and got out of the way. It is our business to keep our ranks till ordered otherwise, or till we see a breach of the peace. The prisoner was carrying the flag and leading the others, at the same time waving the flag. I heard him shouting something. I was examined be fore the Coroner. I told the Coroner I heard Brooks cry out " Oh 1" I did not tell the Coroner that Fursey raised up his hand as if to strike, and that then I struck him over the head with my staff I cannot tell why I did not then state it. I did not purposely conceal that. I thought there was sufficient evidence without it. I did recollect it, and of course I omitted HAY MARKETS.—(At per Load of 36 Trusses.) CUMBERLAND. Supply tolerably good, trade dull, and prices stationary. Coarse tieaJy Lowland Meadow Hay £2 10 to Xi! 15 New Meadow Hay 3 5 3 10 Useful Old Ditto 3 10 4 0 Fine Upland Meadow and Rye-grass Hay 4 5 4 10 Cover Hay 3 5 5 5 Oat Straw £1 Sto £1 10 I Wheat Straw ... 1 10 1 13 SMITHFIELD. Supply moderate, trade dull, and prices about stationary. Coarse tv,avy Lowland Meadow Hay x 2 15 to £3 0 N,w Meadow Hay 3 0 3 5 Useful Old Ditto 3 5 3 15 COWES, JULY 2.—Nothing could surpass the appeirance of our beautiful roadstead and town on the arrival, yesterhay, of their Royal Highnesses the Duchess of KENT and Princess VICTORIA, in the Eiliraid cutter, baring the royal standard, towed majestically by the Mes senger steamer. On their approach, tile Castle, the Royal Yacht Club, and other batterie•; on share, fired royal salutes, as did also several of the R.Y.C. squadron, and the Badger, Sprightly ; and Adder, revenue cutters. The display 0 , flags, the yards manned, &c., constituted a marine spectacle of no little beauty. In the evening there was a display at firework.i. THE - WEST INDIAN MEETlNG.—Yesterday apu'.lC meeting was held at two o'clock at the Thatched ltouße tavern. S. James's-stre.t, consistilig of the principal proprietors of West Indian estates, and of the I.igher classes or persons connected with th_i coloniLl interests, directly or indirectly, with the important commercial branches with which the affairs of the colonies are immediately concerned. The Earl of HAR.wcon was called to the chair. About 180 persons were present. A very long and dc , sultory conversation took place ; and, after several ernottliutns paged on Mr. diuncE, it was agreed as a sort of compriimise between Mr. K. DOUGLAS and Mr. BRIGHT that :be Earl of lIAREWOOD should apply to the Right Hon. Mr. STANLEY IO furnish a draft of the proposed Bill to abolish negro slavery in the colonies, and that a committee should be appointed to receive the same from Earl of 11A!LEWOOD, and to report upon it to the meeting on Friday next. The meeting, a+ about half after sir, adjourned to Friday iit two o'clock, at WILLIS's rooms, instead of at the Thatched house tavern. A young lady of Exetor, about 14 years of age, the only child of highly respectable parents, a few days ago placed her life in jeopardy, by incautiously eating camphor, not knowing the consequences of it. Having tak-n an excurs i on to Builleigh Salterton, she there par. took of some salad with which an onion had been mixed, and for th e purpose o f d estroy i ng t h e unpleasant smell occasioned hy the latter vegetable, she pu rc ha se d a t a druggist' s s h op a pennyworth of camphor, being a lump about th e s i ze of a small walnut, the whole of which she a•e. She then went to the beach for a walk, but was soon after seiz , d with most violent symptoms of illness, and was conveyed to the inn in a state of insensibility. \lr. HUNTER was immediately sent for, and but for the prompt and judicious treatment of the patient by that gentleman, sh e would most probably have died. HUMOROUS LETTER.—TeIe following bu , morous letter was addressed by a veteran to Admiral BoscAwxx " 811 1,-1 had the honour of being at the taking of Port Mahon, for which one gentleman was made a Lord; I was also at the losing of Mahon, for which another gentleman has been made a Lord: each ~ f those ge..tlemen performed but one of those services; surely I, who performed both, ought at least to be made a Lieutenant. Which is all from your honour's humble servant," &c.—York Courant. it intentionally, because I thought there was sufficient, I state it now because lam bound to speak the whole truth. I was not bound to state it at that time because I was not asked the question. I have stated here the whole particulars, but I did not do so before. I was advancing to the man carrying the colour before I heard Brooks cry "Oh !" I saw no persons on the ground in Calthorpe-street wounded. After the prisoner was taken away, 1 went to Burbidge's stables, and found the prisoner in the coach-house, with six teen or eighteen other persons. I don't know any such man as Popay in the police; I don't know that any police men are members of the Trades UIIIOIIS. I don't know of any of the police being directed to enrol themselves in the unions. I believe there were some of the police on the ground in plain clothes. I cannot say whether they were sent there by the superintendent or the commissioners I saw Hobbs, Farrans, Stone, and Harwood there in plain clothes. They belonged to my division. None of them are here to-day. None of us or the officers carried arms on that day except staves. Did not see superintendent Thomas with my arms. I am not aware that any of our division struck any person, or broke any one's head. Did not state at Bow street, or anywhere else, that a baker named Coltman was heading the mob at three o'clock. James Compton examined--This witness belonged also to the C division, and his evidence was chiefly corroborated by the weeding witness's. He and Holland received the pri soner in custody from the preceding witness, and took him to Burhidge's stables, _ Cross-examined—Saw some of the police and people scuffling and blows might have been struck on both sides. Stones were thrown by the mob, and one man had a stick, the head of which was loaded wills lead, and with which a policeman was struck. There were many sticks in the hands of the mob. Forgot to search the prisoner. The prisoner had received a blow, and blood was running down his face. Saw none of the people wounded in Calthorpe-street ; if there had been any he must have seen them. Henry Holland, another policeman, gave similar evidence. (The trial was not concluded when we went to press.) NEW COURT. BEFORE MR. SERGE,NT ARABIN. Mary Joyce, an ill.looking Irishwoman, was indicted for stealing from the person of Edward William Griffiths, the sum of 51. It appeared from the statements of the prosecutor, who was a shoemaker, residi,ig in Little Windmill-street, that on the morning in question, abo,it two o'clock, as he was return ing home from the ,:oropany of a shopmate, he .net the prisoner at the bar, wlio in the course of saying soft things `o the pro secutor, managed to lighten his pockets of the money in question. The case was clearly proved against the prisoner, and the Jury found her Guilty. Geotge Maynard was found Guilty of stealing a pocket handkerchief from the person of Mr. John Brymer. George Trea,iway was found Guilty of embezzling the sum of 9.75., the propertl of his master, Mr. Augustus William Pitt Davis, the wine -merchant, of 87, Wimpole-street, and Totten ham Court-road. FALMOUTH, JULY 2. (FRO't OUR CORRESPONDENT.) His Majesty's schooner Pike, which arrived this after noon from Lisbon and Oporto, brings inteiligence that. shortly previous to her sailing from the former city, on the 6th ult., a tlegraphic desnatch announced the landing of the troops under the command of the Duke of Terceira, which sailed from Oporto on the 21st in the ships of war composing the squadron of Don Pedro, and five steamers, commanded by Rear-Admiral Napier, at the town of Lagos, in the province of Algarve, som- 130 mike to the southward of Liston, and very near to Cape St. Vincent. The town has about 4,000 inha bitants, and is defended by several forts. How they were received by " the natives," is of course unknown. The news put the Government and the people of Lisbon on the qui rive. Orders were instantly issued to the fleet, to hold itself in readiness for orders to sail at a moment's notice ; and similar instructions were given to the troops. The partisans of Miguel were elated that the city of Lis bon had escaped a visit from the Pedroites ; but the latter were evidently chagrined that the capital had not been made the point of disembarkation, as they anticipated it would have been, and were prepared, had such been the case, to have joined the ranks of the young Queen. Everything wore the appearance of quiet in Lisbon, ex • cept so far as the cholera gave fear to the friends of the sufferers by that pestilence, upwards of 11,000 having died of that fatal disease. This the partisans of Donna Maria attribute as an affliction of Divine Providence for re sisting her claims to the throne of her ancestors. His Majesty's ship Leveret, accompanied the expedition from Oporto to watch its motions. When off the Bur lings, however, she part-d company, for the purpose of infotming Admiral Parker, in the Tagus, of what was doing, which object being accomplished, she sailed again, early on Satuiday morning, to observe the operations of Rear-Admiral Napier's squadron. Sarrorius left Oporto in the Osprey cutter on the night of the 20th ult., for Brest ; and Marshal Solignac on that of the 22d, in the schooner Kitty. The destination of the latter is unknown. Saldanha had command of the troops, who anxiously awaited an account of the succe,s of the expedition, from the ope rations of which the most sanguine expectations of a favourable issue %vas entertained. About seventy sail of merchantmen were off the Douro, from which provisions, &c., were landed nightly. His Mijesty's ship Conway sailed from off the Douro, on the 21st ult., for Vigo, to take in water. The Camden packet, Tilly, commander, from the Bra zils, is in the bay, but it is not likely that her mails will be landed in time fur port. THE MARKETS.-(THIS DAY). GENERAL AVERAGE PRICE OF BRITISH CORN, For the Week ended June 28, 1833, made up from the Returns of the Inspectors in the different Cities and Towns in England and Wales, per Imperial Quarter. ‘Vheat--- 545. 4(1. I Oats - fid.l Beans.-- 345. rxi.i Barley 26s 10d. Rye 323. I Pease- 365. 2d. I SIPERIAL AGGREGATE AVERAGES OF TOE six WEEKS PRECEDING. 4d.1 Oats 183. 323. 7d. 1,1.1 Rye -.. 31s. 4d 323. 9d. DUTIES ON FOREIGN CORN Wheat 335. &Li Oats -- 198. 9d.1 Beans--.. 215. 3d. Barley --245. Id.l Rye ---.. 9d.1 21Q. 2d. i,..., 4 FACTORY BILL. LETTER to LORD ALTHORP on the PROPOSED CHANGE in the HOURS of FACTORY LABOUR, &c. MV LORD—Deeply interested as I am, in common with many others, in the welfare of the operative manufacturers, both from a feeling of anxious commisseration for their suffer. logs, and from a conviction that a crisis is approaching, the cotton trade, from the extensive and extending application of machinery, aided by the gigantic, and yet but imperfectly developed, powers of the steam-engine, and possessing an in. timate knowledge of the moral and social conditions of this im mense portion of our industrious classes, I have taken the berty of addressing to you the following remarks on the certain consequences of the changes contemplated by Government in the hours of labour of all individuals under 14 years of age, con fleeted with the staple branch of our national wealth and in dustry. It is proposed, my Lord, to reduce the time of working to eight hours per day. This reduction appears to me, after the most mature consideration, to be far too great, and must inevitably lead to evils that will tend very materially to ac. celerate the fate which is even now more than threatening them. Li the first place—from the state of the cotton manufacture, it is imperative that every mill should turn out its utmost amount of production, in order to render an adequate return. This has led, and must ever lead, to extended hours of labour. In the second place—children, form an absolute and essential constituent portion of labourers, many of the processes being better adapted for them than for adults; as things now stand, therefore, they cannot be dispensed with, being, in fact, the only parties capable of performing certain divisions of mill labour. These, I conceive, my Lord, are two great truths which should be carefully kept in view, when legislating on this most important subject. By so far shortening the hours of labour, the two following results must inevitably arise—the one, that two sets of children will be required, each set working eight hours, and thus making the day one of sixteen hours. Unhappily, the homes of the factory labourers—their habits—their localities—the utter want of domestic discipline—the scenes of depravity to which the children are exposed—with the absence of any suf. ficient counter-agent--of home education--of decent example —to check these pernicious influences, must render the long daily vocation extremely injurious to morals. The farther result will be, that the working hours of the adult labourers will be proportionately increased—a circumstance much to be deplored, as already their physical organization is taxed far beyond what it can sustain, compatibly with the due and healthy performance of its proper functions. Two sets cf children being wanted, to supply these, eaten. sive immigrations will immediately pour into the manufactu. ring towns and districts and a vast increase of population, of which the junior ilembers can alone be employed, will be the necessary consequence. Thus these districts will be crowded with a surplus number of families—a suiplus which will go on increasing very raridly, since tlvi children, as they grow up, will be thrown into idleness, in order to give place to yot.nger hands; and the result will be a mass of unemployed adults, having no possible outlet for their labour. There c..n be no difficulty in predicting the effects of this. An idle population must be a turbulent aria burdensom..c one, and one ever prone to mischief, and ready to lend itself to ary scheme for the over. throw of social order This, too, would occur at a time when there exists a superaly;ndance of adult labourers, and when machinery is daily and hourly rendering human labour less valuable. It may be urged that the present unnatural system of labour generated by factories—namely, that of children superseding their parents, ought to be abolished. But the plan now pro posed will have just the opposite effect. That it is exceedingly desirable that child and female labour should be, as far as pos sible, done away with, is freely granted. It should, however, be understood, that this is a system which has grown up with manufactures, and that society has to some extent accommo. dated itself to it. By thepresent division of labour also, the pauperism, which has involved in one common ruin the agricul. tural labourers, has been shielded from the manufacturing po pulation. Whatever cause may disturb their present balance, must be followed by misfortunes which human foresight in vain endeavours to trace. What I dread, my Lord, Is the extent of the proposed alteration. If changes are carried into effect, they should, I conceive, embrace all the hands. Twelve hours per day, with an hour and a half for meals, would amply satisfy all reason. able wishes, and the masters would soon be enabled to replace, by increased excellence in their machinery, the immediate loss of production. The report of the Commission, on which the proposed change is founded, will from its very nature be wanting in one essential condition—and that is, a knowledge of the growth and bearings of the factory system ; and how ever valuable it may, and no doubt will be, in its details, the above defect in some degree unfits it for being the ground. work of a legislative measure, involving the comfort, happi. ness, and ultimate fate of several millions of our population, the stability and pre.eininence now enjoyed by our manufac. tures. Your Lordship's most obedient humble servant, G. THE ARMY. REVIEW of the COLDSTREAM GUARDS. The Ist battalion of the Coldstream Regiment of Guards (the 2cl battalion being in Dublin), was reviewed this morning, in Hyde Park, by General Rowland Lord Hill, G.C.B. and G.C.H., Commanding-in-Chief. The battalion arrived on the ground at ten o'clock, and took up its ground, in close column, at quarter distance. At half-past ten o'clock, the column deployed to the left, formed line, and took open order. General Lord Hill, attended by his staff, and accompanied by several general officers, arrived on the ground at eleven o'clock, and took his station in front of the centre of the battalion. The General, after being received with a general salute, rode to the right of the line, accompanied by several General MI. cers, passed down the front and up the rear of the battalion, and subsequently took post in front of the centre of the bat talion. The battalion then took close order, wheeled back into open column, the right in front, marched past in review order, in slow and quick time, and on its an ival on its original ground, proceeded to go through a variety of manoeuvres and evolutions. Ist. The battallion formed close column, took ground to the left, deployed, and formed line. The line advanced. 2d. The battalion, wheeled by companies, the quarter dis tance, took ground to the right, advanced, and on the march, wheeled back into line, and advanced in line. 3d. The light company was ordered to advance to the front, as skirmishers ; the line advanced, covered by the light com pany ; the skirmishers were driven in, the line advanced and charged. The battalion, after performing a variety of movements with great precision, took open order, and gave the general salute. Lord Hill advanced to the front, and expressed himself highly pleased with the performances of the battalion. Lord Hill then left the park. The undermentioned services, which became due on the 30th ult., will be in course of payment on Monday the 22d inst. viz.:— Retired Full Pay; Half Pay, and Military Allowances; Pensions for Wounds ; Foreign Half Pay ; Foreign Pensions for Wounds ; Widows' Pensions ; Unattached Pay to General Officers ; Royal Bounty ; Adjutants, &c., of Local Militia : Adjutants, &c., of Militia and Yeomanry. A MAIL BAG LosT.—On Tuesday even ing list the riding post between Wakefield and Dewsbu:•y lost the bag, containing the letters and newspapers for the village of Ossett. When he left the post-office in Wake field, at about half-past 4, the b. .g was in his possession ; and he did not discover his loss until he reached Ossett. Of course the circumstance has caused great anxiety to the inhabitants of that place, as they are uncertain what their loss may be, for the bag contained all the communications from London and the midland counties.—Sheffield Iris. GREAT MEETING OF THE WEST RIDING t t o a h r e t Y l l e s i t ß i o g n f s v n i J t j a : t ly i E , ,:t h N o i f p s utghsreel'tEsNbm.- TEN —HOUR e West Riding of Yorkshire, on With,ty Low Moor, about three miles from Bradford, and on the line of the new mil from that pl ice to Halifax. Although the morning was peculiarly in.impi,:ious, and from nine to ten o'clock, more particul: •Iy, the rain fel! in torrents, yet large bodies of men, with appropriate banners and bands of music, were seen proceeding at a very early hour to Wibsey from Leeds, Keightley, Bradford, Halifax, Huddersfield, and almost every village within the limits of the manufacturing districts. The proceedings of the meeting were appointed to commence it ten o'clock, and a little before that hour the scene at Wibsey assumed au appearance of the greatest pos,;nle interest. The immense ekvation of the ground, which aff‘rds an almost boundless nrospeet from the Craven hills on thL one side, to the Peak of Derbyshire on the other, allowed each approaching group to exhibit their full line of march, as they advanced to the site prepared for the transactions of the day. A little to the not th-east of a considerable mound, composed of the dross from a coal-pit, and breaking the force of the w,n.t, wwons were placed, so as to form a very convenient hustings. The number of persons assembled was esti- mated, by those best qualified to forma a calculation, to amount to 100,000 ; and those who were present at the great ref aura meeting at Wakefield, held last summer, declared that the assembly was equally large on the present occision. About half past ten o'clock, the gentlemen who were to take the most prominent parts in the pro. ceedings of the day, assumed their places upon the bust ings. Among them we observed WILLIAM BOUSFIELD, Esq., the chief constable of the division ; Captain Wool) of Sandal ; the Rev. G. S. But,t.; G. CONDI", Esq , barrister, of Manchester; W. STOCKS, Esq., constable of Huddersfied ; R. OASTLER, Esq. ; Mr. PERRINO, of Leeds, and a considerable number of the most active members of the Short-time Committees. At a quarter past eleven o'clock, upon the motion of Mr. OASTLER seconded by Mr. PERRINO, Captain Woon, of Sandal took the Chair. After several animated speeches (which we regret we havo nut space to give) had been delivered particularly one by Mr. OASTLER, which was receive , with enthusiastic cheers, the meeting quietly dispersed. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, Artr S. LABOURERS' WAGES BILL. Their Lnrdships west into Committe. on the Labourers ' Wages Bill. Lord WYNFORD wished the Committee to be further )4stponed. So important a Bill should not he pressed through the Hous.. The Duke of RICHMOND said it woull not be dea'- ing fairly with the Bill to put it of further. It would I,e mpossible to bring it on next Friday fruan the press of important business. The Duke of CUMBERLAND said it way only by ac. cident he heard the Bill wit to be committed that (1,,‘„ The Duke of RICHMOND said it wa% impossible public business could go on unless Noble Lord, came down to the House and mride themselves dequiinted with such bmine ss is stood for discussion. Lord WYNFORD said his great objection was to the first clause, but Lis amendment might stand with it in tbe Bill. The Duke of RICHMOND said the amendment of ti e Noble and Learned Lord was considered iu a Committee, if which eighteen were present. Fourteen were opposed to the amendment, .nd only fur in favour cf it. The Duke of CUMBERLAND wished the first c7ati , e to be postponed till some important pipers were before their Lordships connected with the subject. Lord KENYON suggested that the first clause might he allowed to pass. His Noble and Learr.ed Friend could take another opportunity of proposing the amendment. After a few words from the Bishop of LONDON, tl e first clause was put from the Chair. Lord SUFFIELD said if the poor laws were properly administered he should consider this Bill a great evil. But a labourers' rate was already in operation, and this measure only went to remedy the abuse of absolute idle ness in parishes. Great injury was dome to shopkeepers and others by calling upon them to contribute to the sup port of all agricultural labourers out of employment. By this Bill thsy would be c4lbsl upon to contribute to the support only of the unemployed surplus labourers. The clause was agreed to. Lord WYNFORD said he was anxious to protect tithe-owners, shopkeepers, housekcepers, and th,. propri etors of warehouses, as well as f.thers. The consequence of this Bill as it now stood would be to impose the sup port of great nurubers of unAnployed agricultural labour ers upon these classes. The Noble Lord concluded by propos es , a clause which went to disable v.etries from imposing a rate, under this Bill, upon these four classes, providea they were ready to pay the amount of rate to which they were last assessed. Toe Earl of STRADBROKE said a few words, which were suite inE„idibie, The Luke of RICHAF)ND opposed the clause. lie saw no reason why titheowners and the other classes mm tinned should be exempt any more than other parishion,rp. This experiment was tried in 425 cases. in none of which was there any complaint on the part of the clergy, with the exception of one. The Bishop of LONDON said the reason why there had been only one case of complaint was, that all these 425 parishes were under the composition. If a rate therefore was imposed on them it would be set aside. If this Bill should pass, he bad no doubt that in the course of a year there would be 420 cases of complaint on the part of the clergy. He had received many notices to the effect that the composition would cease if this Bill passed in its present shape. Lord \VYNFORD said if his clause should he r2ject(d it would impose an insuperable obstacle in the way of com position. That the former measure bad not teen approved of was clear from the fact that only 400 parishis out of 10,000 accepted of it. Lord SUFFIELD saw no relson why the titheowner should be exempt from poor rates more than others. Lord WYNFORD said the person oho employed his full quota of labourers would not be called upon to pay tl e rate. Was it not hard, then, that shopkeepers and house keepers who employed no labourers :should be called upon to support the surplus labourers? The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said the object pro posed by the Bill was exactly that of which the Noble and Learned Lord complained. The object was to induce ad who wanted labourers to employ their full quota. Th•y would, however, contribute as well as titheowners and shopkeepers, to the support of the surplus labourers re maining. The tithe-owners, and house and shopkeeper., contributed already, and, therefore, had no reason to com plain. After a few words from the Duke of RICHMOND and Lord WYNFoRo, The Bishop of LONDON said the only question in re ference to the clause of his Noble and Learne,l Friend was whether it was one which would be likely to pars in ano ther place. After a few words from Lora FALMOUTH and STEAD- Baoxic, the House divided— Contents Not Contents 44 Majority against the clause —l2 The Bill was then reported with amendments. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented a petition from the inhabitants of Calcutta respecting the East India Conipany'a Charter. Lord SUFFIELD presented a petition praying for the abolition of slivery. The Earl of ROSEBERRY presented petitions in favour of the Quakers' Affirmation Bill ; also a petition from s , iine place in Stirliogshire in favour of the Church Tem poralities (Ireland) Bill. His Lordship begged to say he totally disagreed with the petitioners, as be had no wish to overthrow the Established Church in Ireland. The Bishop of LONDON said that he was surprised that these persons should be the brit to raise their voic,s in favour of this measure. It could not be denied, whatever obloquy might be thrown on the Estahlisbed Church in Ireland, that it had been the bulwark of the Pto.rst int religion in that country. He thought that this fact alone ought to have shut the mouths of the petitioners. The Duke of HAMILTON presented a petition from Cork again.t the Apothec tries Act. The Bishop of LONDON prevented a petition from Repton, and several other places, praying for some legis lative enactments in respect to the observance of the Lord's Day. _ . The EArl of DIEATH presented a similar petition from Dublin. The House atijourned at half past six. HOUSE OF COMMONS, JULY 3. The SPEAKER took the Chair a few minute+ after five. The Sheriffs of the City of London appeared at the bar, and presented the petition of the Lord Mayor, Al dermen and COMMOISS in Council maeinbled, relative to certain projected improvements in 13lackfriars.bridge.-- Referred to the Committee. Mr. DIVETT moved for certain returns shJwinn the imount of church rates levied in England and Wales since 1827. ENGLISH TITHE COMMUTATION BILL. oHboi L en : . , t r i t , nLbTe having O been whose, a n nm, answer aea ew bey could ot h t . o el dat not h q e u learn, st ate d payers tputiante certain aai that,un districts to the compulsory part of the Bi 1, he thou;ht it would be improper to proceed with it. At the same time, as that clause would uothaverome into operation until one year after the passing of the Bill, it would not inter. fere with the progress in the permissive department of it. It was very desirable that th^•e who wished to commute should have an opportunity to do so. Mr. EWART, at the request of Lord Althorp, post onned the second reading of the Prisoners' Coun4el Bal till Wednesday, the 17th inst. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL postponed, till the same day, the Llw Amendment Bill. Mr. KENNEDY considered that it would be quite impossible to pass through during the present ces sion the Scotci. Entail Bills ; and, therefore, con sidering the pre-eminently important business now before the House, and for the purpose of concentrating the attention of Hon. Members on what must pass, he was indus.cd, however reluctantly, to move that they be read a second time this day six months. On the order of the day being read for the second read• ing of the Carrickfergus Disfranchisement Bill, Lord BELFAST suggested the postponement of the se cond reading, until after his motion for the appointment of a Select Committee, which stood for that evening, had been disposed of. Mr. O'CONNELL asked if be gave up the second reading that evening, it would have priority on the next day. The SPEAKER—As the case then stood, the order of the day for the second reading of the Carrickfergus Dis franchisement Bill would take precedence of the notice of the Noble Lord. If the second- reading were postponed, and the notice carried into effect, it might become a question whether the second reading of the Bill should not be further postponed. Mr. SHAW—As the Hon. Member for Dublin had swEhiLc: tie e peared in this case in the die. expressed a desire to have a fall inquiry into the case, he would not, perhaps, object to die application for a Select Committee, met ? justice of the case might be fully As Chairman of the Corionittee—(Hear)—he might las said to represent nobody but the public At large. The HOUR !Midi \C)- ch 3 ;r i g r e . o°;Ca°pbNyublic duty.--(Hear.) t,4 (=.!*;•-- i tit tTyJski.