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say when it would be brought in, as its preparation would y felt that attachment towards her which rendered it impos take some time. l sible that pl aces o f pu bli c wors h i p cou ld fall into decay, SARDINIA AND ROME I and that, so far fro m aid from the public being good, it Mr. WOODD wished to ask Lord J. Russell whether it damped the ardour and relaxed the exertions of members is true, as reported, that the Government of this country of the Chu rc h. Th roug hout the large town s o f th e king has interposed in relation to the differences between th e domdiehurchrate exist eshad a b h e y e whe n e a r b : l y is e h t er e t d h ,a a n w d er t e h n ey e c w e e m re . the Government of Sardinia and that of Rome ; and, if so, rapidly iy e c f eas t ceasing h h g t churches going to decay; and th e informa have reference to the subject on the table of the house. whether there will be any objection to lay such papers as plaints Lion he had received induced him to believe that more was Lord J. RUSSELL said no such interposition had taken being expended on the fabrics than when the c h urc h rates place, and there wer e consequently no papers to produce. existed. In corroboration of this he could st a t e th at he PUBLIC PROSECUTIONS IN IRELAND. had received a letter from a respectable nonc on f orm i st gen- Mr. BOVirYER asked the Chief Secretary for Ireland, tleman at Liverpool, where a church rate h a d b een refused whether her Majesty's Government intend to propose a by a majority of 537 persons, informin g hi m t h at the con of measure enabling Courts of Quarter Sessions in Ireland to duct accepted the rector was very credit a bl e; t h at he at once give remuneration to the sessional Crown solicitors for the d the decision of the parishi oners, and appealed to prosecution of larcenies. hi s c ongregation for voluntary contributions every Su n d a y Sir J. YOUNG replied that the subject was under con- which now averaged 151. each S un d ay —a sum far more sideration, but he could hold out no prospect of legislating co nsiderable than the amou n t o f c h urch rates. (Hear.) It was for these reasons that h e was convinced the best mode upon it this session. was to abolish church rates, and trust to the affection of THE PRESTON STRIKE. the members of the Church to provide funds for those pur- Mr- PALMER wished to ask th e h on . member fort Fins- poses to which they were applied. It was in accordance with these feelings that he asked leave to introduce this bill. It consisted of two clauses, but, in reality, there bury, whether he intended to persevere to-night wih thethe following ma motion :—Select committee to inquire into au,. 1 ints of the working and industrious classes e . or , and was only one, the second being a proviso to the first- —the other cep inhabitants of the borough of Preston, assett - tt one abolislong church rates altogether, and the other re in their petition Dreßnted to this house on the 3)th ‘ clay serving them where theyhalbeensubve;ted toother objects, a March last, and to report th e i r op i n i on t o the ho 11:• until the charges to which they were by statute applicable seid lie had this morning received were extinguished or otherwise met. It was admitted on Mr. I'. DUNCONIBE all hands than the law cord(' not remain iu itspresent state a letter from Preston, which relieved biui fifom . sponsibility on the subject. The letter (whilstn, theallhosoe.- and he thought he had shown conclusively that no mode b :vo r tild withdraw was so , desirable as entire abolition. He appealed to gen- Dunconi e) member read) expressed a hope that as the . ggle 11 .(.1 now ceased, they hoped he (Ur. lo (Hear.) tlemen who were members of th e Ch urc h w h e th er t h e time his motion, and this he said he should now t . had net arrived t o re li eve t h emselves from the reproach of , CHURCH R. NTES. not having sufficient earnestness and sincerity in their at- Sir W. CLAY then rose to move for leave to introduce tachteent to the Church of which they professed to be a bill for the entire abolition of church rates. He said it members, ev en t o ma i n s i n t h e fabrics which the piety of wa our ancestors had ra i se d. W as it not time that they should main in its r esent state. The interests of reliion of show th emse l ves t oo proud, if not too honest, to call upon p g admitted on all sides that the q ueetion co u l d not re those who did no t use th em to contribue to the expense of , justice, and of sound policy alike require that it should be maintaining these places of worship ? (Hear, hear.) Was finally settled. Al mo st every party and sec ti on i n that it not time t o c l ose thi s perenn i a l spring of bitter waters, house had brought fo rward and su pp or ted measures for the to stop this sou rce o f acr i mon i ous f eel i ng, and to abolish an a bolition of church rates. T he Government of Earl G re y, impost, collected i n th e name o f religion, but opposed to every feeling which religion inspired ? He saw no reason in 1833, and the Government of Lord Melbourne, in 1837, why there should not be peace. Churchmen and Dissenters both endeavoured to effect a final settlement of the clues- both professed to belong to a religion of peace; why should tion ; and, more recently, bills were int ro d uce d f or t h e not h armon y ex i s t? Th e fi eld of harvest was wide enough sam e object by Sir J. Easthope, by M r . T re l awny, b y the for all, and why should they n o t p ursue w ith goo d wi ll to hon. member for Finsbury, and by th e h on. an d learnedglorious wards each other their vocation—to instruct, t o enlighten, to elevat and to humanise? (Ch t member for Tavistock, And th e h ouse h ad now before it were abundant ands,ffi reasons for mutueers) Th ere al repect. a measure proposed by th e h on. member for Leicester- Churchmen should not forget that they owed to their sNon shire- None of those measures had obtained the assent of conformist fellow-citizens, or rather to their predecessors, n Parliament, with m any o f t h em he disagreedconsidembly, ot only religious but c i v il f ree d om . (H ear , h ear. ) They should not forget that they had resisted the blandishments but, at all events, theyproved that a strong sense prevailed o f power and endured the wrongs of persecution. Noncon both within and without the walls of that house, of the ne- formists should not forget that the Established Church was cessity of some alteration in the law. (Hear, hear.) Since the firmest bulwark of the Protestant faith. They should . he last had the honour of bringing this question before the not forget that whatever faults they might find with it, its house, two circumstances had occurred of no mean or- existence afforded stability as well as dignity to every va tance, and having no light bearing either upon the main riety of the - Protestant religion. The war into which by question itself, or upon the mode in which it should be terrible necessity we had been driven, had had the effect of dealt with. He alluded to the decision of the House of preventing almost every project of amelioration, but he Lords in the Braintree case, and th e publi ca ti on o f the would fain hope that this measure would pass. Tho hon. census report upon religious worship. (Hear, hoar.) The gentleman concluded by mov i ng f or l eave t o i ntroduce the substantial essence and e ff ec t o f th e d ec i s i on i n th e Brain- -bill. tree case was this—the House of Lords, having had the advice of the judges, p r onounc e d by th e mou th o f L or d Mr. PETO, in sec on di ng th e mo ti on, expresse d h i s gra- Chief Justice Truro, tification that it- should have been i n t ro d uce d b y a mem under contest was in gave judgment that the church rate valid, inasmuch as it had not had the ber of the Church of England. (Hear.) It had been looked ' assent of the majority of the vestry. Lord Truro took oc- upon too much as a dissenting question. It was really as casion to state that the judges were unanimous in the much a question for the members of the Established Church opinion that a church rate, to be valid, must have the as for members of the n oncon f orm i s t b o d y. Th ey had assent of a majority of the vestry. Some difference of opinion had previously existed amo ng th e heard to what a great extent churches. had been built an d judges who were consulted, one or two thinki ng th a t pu bli c worship carried on with in them by volunt ary con s majority of the vestry, by refusing a rate, would oust tributions, and in many of the cont es t s th e re f usa l of the themselves from their jurisdiction, and that in suc h a rate had been decided by church votes. For these reasons case their would be a constructive ma j or ity i n f avour of the it was eminently worthy the consideration of the Church rate. Lord Chief Justice Truro, in a judgment charac- of England, whether they would allow this root of bitter tensed by that luminous phraseology and that power of ness to remain promoting discontent and division among ana ly s i s for which the noble and learned lord was isle- themselves. (Hear.) With regard to noncomformi s t s th e y brated, completely overturned that view of the question, had strong and conscientious objections, arising from be it was finally decided unanimously that to make a rate lief in the voluntary nature of every religious exercis e , an d va lid it must be assented to by a majority of the vestry- in the impropriety of forcing parties to support a reli g i ous He entreated the house toconsider the full importance and service which they disapproved. He believed it conk! be significance of that decision. It n u t o nly set at rest the shown that the assessment was not necessary for the sup much disputed point of wh e th er th e churchwardens of port of the edifices used in religious worship, and it was their own authority, or supported by a minority of the itself impracticable. They need only look to the census vestry, could make a rate valid, but it incidentally settled returns to satisfy themselves that with a body which had for all practical purposes two other questions which had shown such a determination as to contribute a sum not been much debated, namely whether church rates were to exceeding seven millions of money for the erection of Y churches within the last half century, it was not at all be considered a perpetual obligation on property, or only an obligation on property in v i r t ue o f th e person, and likely they would allow those churches to fall into decay, whether there was an obligation at common law to main - The Dissent ers h a d 20 , 3 90 places of worship entirely sup_ fain first the fabr uestions, ic of the parish understood that the b es t auth church. With respe c t to the p or t e d b y vo l untary contributions, and in those centres of of these qhe o- activity and intelligence, Lancashire and Yorkshire, great rities were in favour of the rate being considered a per- results were accomplished entirely by voluntary efforts. renal tax ; while with regard t o th e s econ d, th e balance of (Hear, hear.) He might refer also to what Scotland had authority was eupposed to favour the view that there was done. The Free Church of that country, when thrown no obligation at common law to maintain the fabric of the upon her own resources, had provided an amount for the parish church. Hitherto there had been some f abric of erection and support of places of worship which had excited J the law, but now it was perfectly clear, and the conse- the astonishment of the nation and the age. It had been quenceevould be that in all cases where a majority of the often said that it was only in the towns and in the mann vestry had the chance, they would refuse to impose a lecturing districts that any question with respect to church rate. Already that power had been exercised in a church rates arose —that the majority of the rural dis large number of places. After all, upon whom were they tries were practically Church of England, and that imposing these dues ? Was it on a small portion of the therefore, with respect to them, no hardship existed. people ? Was it on a fragment of the population of Eng- The statistics of the Independents, of the Baptists, land, that made it unnecessaryand unbecoming the dignity and of the Wesleyans—showing the relative numbers of the house to listen to their complaint ? Upon that head of sittings in connection with each denomination in they had the most extraordinary disclosures, upon the the towns and in the rural districts —contradicted this as most complete authority—the censu s re p or t on religious surnption; and the fact that some of the severest contests worship. Tho population of England and Wales was, in which had taken place with respect to church rates had round numbers, 18 millions. The proportion for which, arisen in rural districts, was a proof that the feeling there by an elaborate process of reasoning, that report showed was as strong as in the towns. He must say, with respect they ought to provide church accommodation was 53 to the bill introduced by the hon. member for Leicester per cent., or above ten millions. The Established Church shire (Mr. Packs), that he believed they were only prolong hadhprodd 14,713 churches, and accommodation for ing feelings of bitterness, and preventing the fair and final ,317,915 persons. The nonconf o r m i s t b o dy had provided settlement of the question by the introduction of these half 1 20,390 places of worship, and accommodation for 4,89,604 measures. (Hear, hear.) He believed that justice required persons. Therefore, of the religious portion of the people that church rates should be totally abolished, and that the —those who really availed themselves of places of worship Church of England could do nothing more effectually to —nearly one half did not belong to the Established Church. promote peace than by meeting this question in a fair and On the census Sunday, the attendance of a ll denomina- liberal spirit, and by showing a proper reliance on her own tions at religious worship was '10,896,000, of which 5,604,000 principles. (Hear hear.) He knew that Dissenters were attended places of worship belonging to the Established sometimes charged' with entertaining feelings of bitterness Church, and 5,292,000 places of worship belonging to the towards the Church. He disclaimed on his part, as a Nonconformist body. That close conformity between the Nonconformist, all such feelings, (Hear, hear.) Although number of persons attending an d th e accommodation pro- he was himself a Dissenter, no member of that hones would vid e d, weat far, in his opinion, to establish the accuracy rejoice more than himself to see the Church of England of both calculations. Those figures proved to his mind prosper—to see her reformed within herself— to see the that the present state of the l aw cou ld no t b e allow el to immense revenues in her possession brought to bear for the continue. The question remained, in what mode should benefit of the country, and to see her relieved of the scan the alteration be effected The suggestions were mani- del which was at this moment caused by the incomes en fold. The first was to take the law as it now sto el—to joyed by her bishops and by the higher orders of her recognise the permanent and univeral obligation to pay clergy, and by the lax state of morality which prevailed in church rates, and to devise some summary and efficient our cathedral towns. (Hear, hear.) He believed that if process for enforcing the law. lie supposed that scarcely half the money which was expended on our cathedral esta any one would b e f oun d t o a d vocate t h at mode of dealing hii,th wen t s were devoted to City missions, to th e augmen with the question, though a petition to that effect had tation of the incomes of the poorer clergy, and to the been presented by the hon. baronet the member for the placing of clergymen where none at present existed, the University of Oxford (Sir W. Heathcote) from certain of Church of England would have a much stronger hold ton the in the diocese of Exeter. Tho second was the the feelings and affections of the people of England ; and mode proposed by the hon. and learned gentleman (Mr. the Disseaers, so far from regretting, would most heartily Phillimore), in conformity with a proposition of the same rejoice to see it, because by such means the cause of true kind by Sir Page Wood, and also in conformity with the religion would be advauced, and no interest whatever, very able pamphlet of the noble lord the member for King's with respect to the Church, would be sacrificed, Lynn (Lord Stanley). That proposal was to enable Dis- (Hear, hear.) He knew it was sometimes said of them seaters, on complying with certain formalities, to relieve that they wished to sacrifice the prizes of the Church. themselves from the liability to pay church rates. It (Hear, hear.) But what should be the prizes of the Church ? had. an aspect of fairness about it, but it was a very If he knew anything whatever of the obligations of a Chris offensive thing to insist on the declaration of any lean man, he should rank first amoug those obligations the man's religious belief, and by forcing men to define their duty of living, as far as he possibly could, according to the creed they would sharpen tho se differenc es of opinion of revealed will of God ; and if he were told that it was a which they were scarcely consciou s . There were a great " prize" for a clergyman to obtain an income of some many persons who went t o chu rc h i n th e morning, and 15,000/. or 20,009/. a-year, when 5,000/. would be sufficient i n , th e evening to some nonconformist chapel. He could to maintain him in any position of life which it wa s neces not' believe this mode was likely to receive the sup- sary for him to fill, he must reply that he believed those port of the house. (Hear, hear.) Then came the pro- incomes were a source of great discomfort in the Church posal of the hon. member for Leicestershi re (Mr. Packe), h on. and were perfectly unnecessary. In conclusion, the which most whimsically combin e d a ll th e obj ec ti ons t o the hon. member repeated his conviction that such reform' sas other modes suggested. The lion. member for whom he h e had indicated, and the dealing with this question of had a great respect, proposed to retain a large portion of church rates in the only way iu which it could be dealt the church rate, and en f orce it by summary process, whilst with satisfactorily, would tend to strengthen the Church he also proposed to relieve nonconformists upon declaration and to extend her influence, as well as to promote peace of religious belief being made before two magistrates. He and harmony and goodwill throughout the entire cons came to the last mode, aud that was abolition. That was iriunity, the mode which, either by it se lf or accom p an i e d by sonic mr. WIGRAM agreed with the hon. members who had substitution of other sources for the maintenance of church maids and second e d thi s motion, that the had and indeed come fabrics, would be found to be the only mode of dealing when it was a ma t ter of the utmost importance,time with the question. (Hear, hear.) Whether the abolition of absolute necessity, that some measures should be asse t ) should be accompanied by some substitution of of o th er f un d s upon the subject of church rates. (Hear, hear.) He said to provide for those precise objects to which church rates so b ecause i t must be admitted that in some districts of were applied, was a question upon which arguments of tine country—although he hoped that 'those tlistricts were considerable weight might be used on either side, and upon neither many nor extensive—but certainly in some dis which a difference of opinion might very fairly exist. It tricts church rates had been the cause of much bitternese, was a question more for churchmen than nonconformists. and of much unkindly feeling. (Hear, hear.) He was The essential point f u r the latter was abolition. To that persuaded, however, that this had had its origin, not in they wore entitled. (Hear, hear.) It was for the mem - the subject of church rates generally, so much as in the hers of th e Ch urc h t o cons id er w h et h er by law they would uncertainty of the law. (Hear, hear.) It was because for provide a substitute. I n b r i ng in g f orwar d th e su bj ec t last a long series of years theobligation to pay-church rates had year, he suggested that some provision for those objects been a matter of uncertainty thatattempts had been made might be f oun d i n th„ urn i ns f un d s o f the Church, not to elude them. (Hear, hear, and oh, oh.) He was because he h e b e li eve d t h em ne r - cessary, but because there was suaded that if the law upon the subject of the obligation a differenc e of opi n i on , and some thought that, the Church to pay had been as clear as in the case of tith es th ey 1 being a national es t a bli s h men t, some p rov i s i o n should be would have had no more contests with respect to the pay made by law for the maintenance of established places of ment of church rates than they had had with res ec t t o worship. He con c u rre d i n th e op i n i on expressed by the tithes, (Oh, oh.) This was his most sincere belief; noble lord and the hon. member, that the superfluous nor could he see upon what ground a valid obj ec ti on wealth of the Ch urc h s h ou ld b e d evo t e d t o k eep i ng up t h e to pay church rates could possibly be made. He hop el the fabrics of the Church. No one d ou bt e d that the surplus house would not consent to the introduction of this bill, revenues of the Church would be ample for the purpose; which was a bill not for the substitution of any other for in 1&33 Lord Althorp stated the amount applied to mode for that which had so long been recognised, but for keeping up the fabrics was about 250,0001., and a report of the simple and entire abolition o f the provision whi c h h a d a later d a t e, i n 1840 h e b e li eve d , estimated it at about the so long existed in this c oun t ry f or the maintenance of our 'me num, As to the expenses attending the ministration parish churches. (Hear, hear.) He doubted whethe r th e of divine worship, pew rents would be sufficient. They expectation which the hon. member had held out, that, in had been used for the purpose in a great many churches, the event of church rates being abolished, other means the public mind was familiarised with their appli- would be voluntarily provided out of which the churches cation in that wa and no more just principle might be maintained, would be realised in the result. Re_ conld be devised h ldthin' that persons using the church ferenco had been made to what the Church of England had 8 " pay for theministrations in that worship which done in the erection of churches, and in providing clergy they __ ment ad in which they were most opted th. Fear, hoar.) If, therefore, the Govern- men in those parts of the country aPProved, bill he was about -to propose to intro- urgently required. (Hear.) Those only who had engaged duce, they could eitli er engraft upon it those propositions, in such undertakings could appreciate the difficulties which or make it the law of the an additional bill for that land 'which were necessary to as proposed, and bring in were experienced, and the efforts . dare, on the most mature He was bound to de- surmount them. To what extent, then, would those diffi fill analysis of all the fact:th P e 4r n t rider . ation, and a most care- culties be increased if they called upon the friends of the ledge, that church rates mightt had come to his know- Church to supply the means for the accomplishment of smallest chance either of thenri had abolish e d without the those objects which were now provided for by church the maintenance of the fabrics b l et a n tr tion of service or of rates ? (Hear.) There could be no doubt that in that Donna the The facts case the energies of the Church of England would be ham were certainly very startling. present century, more churcheshad b ee ° 300 years before. From 1 801 b i.to thaninesufirst half of the pared, and her expansion impeded to a very considerable NV orextent. The right hon.baronet verytruly d 2 ur r in ir g hat) bene churches were erected, at an expense of 9,087,0 e ' , "J the law on she subject of church rates had been very fully e Ol - The and carefully considered in the Braintree case, which was contributions towards those nine millions from the b r Privato Ptt lc decided in the last session of Parliament; but if they would fends amounted to 1,663,4'29/. ;while from refer to that case they would find that the judges who had amounted to 7,423,5711. The proportion they public funds was percent. to 83 per cent. pri• vaee t i of heard it were all agreed in the opinion that the obligation But if they divided the half canto e- on the owners and occupiers of lands and houses in this factions. ( Cheers.) country to replace and uphold the parish church was an ° F 1800 to 1830, five hundred into two perioclsf thirty and twentyyears, the result V - s r s 3 ; rom obligation at common law, which was just as binding and i wit as • at an "expense' of e three minions, -clearly recognised as the obligation to repair still more surprising. to the richr.Y churches' were „built, e °untY bridges, (Hear, hear. What What was that oblige - , time? It• ' . whereof there was . contributed from public funds sent t th e this count w" to maintain and uphold in every parish in 1,152,0001., and from _ private funds 1,848,0001. being 35 per cent. private contributions. a house(Hear, hear, hear.) Would the house con of God, open to the poor as well as a e from long antiquit by they per cent. public, and 6D 2,0'29 churches built, at an counter From 1830 to 150, there was contributed had be:ti in d abrogation of such a r et o e v o i e s i i revision lawwhich ye without the sithstitt y stion of any other pro there were of 6 011 000/. whereof _ expense , , '. 00 , ! , an d from private funds this from public funds 511, . ) It appeared ground assigned for th,oi_at.:leoaeprji)on _pu , b er li s e : funds, and 91 vision for it? of such a course. (Hear, 5,500,000/. or 8 1-3 per cent. from ( He had heard no valid 2-3 per cent. from private funds. Ch proceeded in an inverse hear.) It was said, re two maintenance of olio I, that contributions for the that the exertions of the Church There were (Hear, hear, hear.)s They were called for from all, ratio to the help received fi our the State. , Ah greets by the State in 1817, and in 1821 or 1825, and in whereas all could not participat e a b e e e n t efit of the cou the first thirty years the portio n pron of private and public the fact was that they were not established for the benefit contributions was 35 per cnt. nd 6o per cent. b I u o f any part f i h c r u l t a h r e made y established ntr an d e , the last twenty years, when no grants were 9 3per to all those who could and would use them', -ere open the State the . proportion was 8 1-3 against 91 - . representing the the whole (Rear, hear.) cent. If, again, they added to the whole sum contra- parliament, people of th e ,well as Churchmen, exercised over buted in th e h a lf century to the building of chinc h es b y Dissenters as expense them a real and effective control ; a n d l aws were cont•inue private benefaction s , name l y seven m illi ons, th e - defrayed by noncon f orm i sts in the erection of 10,0 00 ally introduced into that house w ith respect to them. It was not the fact that the whole peopl e chapels at an average cost of 1,5001. each, or 15 millions, it (Hear, hear.) . for the doctrines of the Church of give a total of 22 millions would that the great mass and body of the . e places of worship by private benefactors, as against England were such - 1 contributes) ' could with the utmost propriety and conscientiou s . a. ,600,000/. from the public funds, or 92e per people (1 not do so because, from alight dif --• - \ pent. against 74 per cent. (Cheers.) Such a statement as ness, and they only di . - that almost precluded argument. (Hear, hear.) It , ferences upon particular religious doctrines , 'ehowed beyond all doubt that the members of the Church • them - preferred to p P 1 rovide other laces of worship for themselves. (Hear, hear.) Was that any reason why they should be exonerated from providing that which was for the common benefit of all ? (Hear, hoar.) He thought it would be quite as reasonable that a particular division of a county should disclaim the use of a particular county bridge, and expect to be exempt from contributing to wards keeping it in repair. (Hear, hear.) Church rates were a charge upon the land. (Hear, hear.) Nothing but the merest quibble could represent it otherwise, and as the present owners of the lands of this country had acquired them subject to the charge, they had not, either in law or in equity, anything like a claim to be relieved from it. Mr. GARDNER was of opinion that this vexed ques tion could never be satisfactorily settled by any measure in the nature of a compromise. It appeared that the ob ligation of which the hon. member opposite had spoken rested on the common law, or on custom, and this might have been all very well when the Established Church was really., and not nominally, the Church of the nation. It was all very well to say that the churches were open to all, if all chose to attend them ; but all did not choose to attend them, and how were they to compel them to do it ? Church rates, he beli eve d, were un k nown in any other c oun t r y, yet the Church of England was the richest est a bli s h men t i n t h e world, and was very far in deed from deserving, at the last census had shown, the name of a national establishment. Was it worth the while of the Church to keep alive a feeling of irritation, not only among dissenters, but in the country generally, for the sake of this paltry sum ? (Hear, hear.) He was afraid that churchmen forgot their own interest, that they tnought to have a perpetual lease of power and pre-emi nence, and that they were like the jovial clergymen de scribed by Goldsmith, who met together and resolved that they would go on preaching to the world, and that the world should go on paying for their preaching, whether they liked it or not. (Hear, hear.) He thought our whole ecclesiastical system was rotten at the core—that it would be wholly impossible to maintain it on its present foundation—that it was very unwise to go on irritating the dissenters —and that the opposition which ho antici pated would be offered on all sides to the introduction of this bill was an indication of the blindness and infatuation which precipitated the downfall of every institution which had outlived the necessities and the circumstances of the times in which it was founded, and had ceased to be in harmony with the spirit of the age. He hoped his hon. friend, although he might be beaten now, would persevere until his object was attained. Mr. PACKE admitted the necessity of legislation on this subject. (Hear, hear.) If this were simply a question between one set of people worshipping in one place, and another set of people worshipping in another place, he might be inclined to vote with the hon. baronet for the total abolition of church rates. (Hear.) But this was not the question. (Hear.) The real question was this—here was an establishment which had existed now for above a thousand years, for the benefit of all classes of the people—a national establishment—by which he understood an establishment supported by the nation for the national good. (Hear, hear.) The difference between a clergyman of the Church of England and a dissenting minister was this--that the clergyman had the cure of all the souls in his parish. (Hear, hear, and oh, oh.) Whether they chose to avail themselves of his ministrations or not was another point ; but this was the duty for which he was paid—for visiting the sick, for burying the dead, for solemnizing marriages, and for performing religious offices, in every way, for the whole parish, whereas a dissenting minister was attached only to a particular congregation. (Hear, hear.) It was the duty of the nation to provide places of worship for those who were too poor to provide them for themselves ; and he apprehended that every per son in the kingdom derived benefit from the existence of establishments in which these poor people might be taught some principles of religion. (Hear, hear.) There were some, also, who did not attend any place of worship, not because they were poor, but from causes within their own control ; and it was the duty of a Christian nation to pro vide the means of worship for such as these, whether they chose to avail themselves of them or not. In the parish of Marylebone, alone, he had learnt that there were more people attending public-houses on the Sunday than the aggregate congregations of all the places of worship in the parish. (Hear.) According to the census, on the par ticular Sunday for which the returns relating to religious worship had b een o bt a i ned, the number who attended no place of worship, who were not hindered by age, or occu pation, or illness, was 5,238,294. (Hear, hear.) Now for these the nation ought to make such provision as that the means of religious worship should, at all events, be placed within their reach. (Hear.) In the bill which he had prepared upon this subject, ho disclaimed all inten tions of insulting the Nonconformists, in endeavouring to ascertain who were Dissenters and who were churchmen. (Hear.) The hon. baronet's proposition he understood to be a proposition to abolish church rates, and not t o p ro p ose any substit u t e or mo difi cation of he law. A division of the Church property had been suggested ; but supposing the revenues of the Church to be equally divided, the amount for each clergyman would not exceed 3001. a year, and no one would consider that too large an amount for a gentleman of education ; and as the population in creased, the churches must increase also, so that, according to that scheme, the provision for the clergy would diminish year by year. Another remedy suggested was that of pew rents. Now that would strike at the root of the object of the Church of England, for the establishment of pew rents in small parishes would altogether prevent the poor from frequenting the church. Although Parliament had secured the clergy their incomes, and voted sums for the building of churches, it was now proposed to stop short, and say, " We will not keep in repair the churches which have been built out of the funds of the nation." The hon. member fo- Norwich said that many persons were obliged to pay towards the support of a religion of which they did not ap prove. He (Mr. Packe) admitted that many persons did not approve of the doctrines preached in the Church, but how many of the different dissenting denominations dis sented from each other ? The largest denomination next to the Church were the Wesleyans, and they were not averse to church rates, and not considering their abolition desir able, he should v o t e aga i nst the introduction of the bill. dr. BIGGS said the dissenters considered the church rate an unjust impost and an abstraction of money from one set of religionists for the su p por t o f t h e worship of another. The levying of church rates was a source of con stant annoyance. Two years ago, when he was Mayor of Leicester, it became his duty to issue a number of distress warrants, but he solved the difficulty by paying the church rates himself. He was glad t o say th at in five of the parishes in Leicester church rates had been abolished, but this had not been done without a great struggle and the manifestation of much ill feeling amongst different parties. To show the inconvenience sometimes occasioned by the imposition of church rates, lie might mention that on ono occasion, when he was dining with a party, a num ber of distress warrants were brought to the table for the signature of a magistrate, and that magistrate actually had to affix his name to a distress warrant against the host at whose table he was sitting. (Hear, hear.) Two thirds of the population had escaped from the pale of the Church of England, and the moral loss to that Church from the enforcement of the church rate law was greater than was generally imagined. When the Church of Eng land was the richest Church in the world, was it worth while to continue an impost which tended to increase the alienation from the Church which already existed? (Hear, hear.) If he were a Churchman, he would support the entire abolition of church rates. He maintained that those who supported the abolition of church rates were the best friends of the Church, and he felt convinced that the Dissenters of Leicester would erect a monument to the memory of the man who should succeed in procuring them their abolition. (Hear, and laughter.) Captain SCOBELL supported the motion of the honour able member for the Tower Hamlets, being desirous to see church rates abolished as church rates. It had been said that the churches were open to the rich and the poor. That was true. But if the poor went to church, where were they to sit? (Hear, hear.) In one-half of the churches in the kingdom there were no seats for them, and it w as , therefore, worse th an a d ece pti on to talk of the ' Church of England as a national Church. Nothing would be so beneficial to the Church as the redistribution of its wealth for the good of the Church. 'The great blot on the Church was the unequal distribution of that wealth. (Hear, hear.) He should like to see the pious man put forward rather than the man possessing the greatest influence, and the resources of the Church so employed as to produce the greatest amount of good to the country an d to itself. (Hear, hear.) With respect to church rates he saw no way so short, so effectual, and so certain of arriving at a desirable result as their total abolition as church rates, and he thought they might be dealt with in a way which he had never yet heard suggested. He could not forget that the land had for centuries been bought and sold subject to church rates, and that they were ingrained into the value of the land, and he. did not see how they could be severed from the land; and those who advocated their total abolition ought to remember that those who had the most land would re ceive the most benefit from such a measure. (Hear, hear.) Now he would abolish church rates as such, but would appropriate the sum thus raised to the purposes of educa tion, either in an aggregate sum as a fund for the whole nation, or for the support of the schools in the particular places where the rate should be collected. All parties would thus benefit from the rate, and he believed that those who grudged the payment of a sum for church rates would cheerfully pay it in the shape of a school rate. (Hear, hear.) Lord STANLEY said—Sir, I confess Ido not quite un derstand the proposition of the hon. and gallant gentle. man that has just addressed us. (Hear, bear.) He says, I believe, in effect, that he d oes a lt oge th er desire the aboli tion of church rates, but that they should be transferred to another purpose. However, it is no t my i ntention to occupy the attention of the house for more than a few minutes, be cause all the arguments used have been very much of one kind. I must say, so far as the Nonconformists and those who object to church rates are concerned, I do not think that the legislation of this house is of very much import ance, because if Parliament were only to leave the public alone for four or five years more I believe it would be found at the end of that time that the question had settled itself. The real hardship, therefore, is not with those who object to paying rates, but it lies rather here, that there is always a great public disadvantage in our maintaining upon the statute book a law which the stateof pubic feelingrenders inoperative. (Hear, hear.) And in addition to this there is involved the great hardship of throwing upon those who are officially responsible for the maintenance of the churches the necessity of resorting to a rate, and of adopt ing a course which can only be taken at the risk of creating great disturbance and ill feeling. Still, in many cases, not withstanding such consequences, they were compelled to have resort to a rate, because if they merely proposed a voluntary assessment they would be told, "you need not come upon us in this way, for you have a legal provision to meet your wants." Now, what is the present state of the church rate law? We cannot deny that the po sition of the question had changed since last year, in consequence of the decision in the Braintree case. Up to that time it was supposed there was a power to compel parishes to maintain their churches, and of punishment in case of its non performance. That led to rates being granted without any dispute in many parishes, where otherwise disputes and differences would infallibly have occurred. That state of things is now, however, at an end, and the consequence is, that the dis cussions which for some years had been checked are now revived in many parts of the country. Indeed many of the most Conservative boroughs of the country —many whose feelings of attachment to the Church aro very strong, have, nevertheless, refused to ins pose church rates. (Hear, hear.) Such, then, is the present state of things; awl there appears every proba bility of its ]acting, although I believe the question will be ultimately settled in some few years in every borough of the kingdom. That, however, is a result not to be attained without a great deal of disputation and discontent. (Hoar.) For as to the church rate law in itself, I do not suppose that any one will deny that it involves a great anomaly, and has done so ever since the existence of dissent was recog nised by the civil law. And I have no doubt that so far as the exemption of dissenters is concerned that the majority of this house is iu favour of such a proposition. But when we discussed the question last, it so happened that two different plans were proposed—one resembling that which the hon. baronet has this evening revived ; the movers of each, however, disapproving of the other's proposal. I n consequence therefore, of the difference of opinion pre- WhPie eleves4o4 fell to the ground. At prima stfdetictil, And from consenting at once to any steps that they think ni:if &lett such destruction. Now, I cannot but consider that these rffegooetice are of a serious li:stun, and I cannot confide in the assufaiects hen members give us that if church rates were abolished all gone of and of • dissension would cease; and that with regard to all other prerogatives and privileges of the Church there -would be perfect acquiescence and contentment, and the Church might look forward to a state of happy and prosperous tranquillity. I confess I have no such antici ations. The Church has various exclusive privileges. It has the privi lege of a high position. It is established in the country, and is protected by Parliament. Its prelates have alone who of Parliament,diff differ no from n t d h o a n every t the occasionofw seats ino find that those ofthhouses Church complain of its exclusive privileges, and its high position in the country. Now, lam not saying that those feelings are unnatural, nor am I arguing that they are unreasonable at this moment. But all Ido venture to argue, and all experience supports me, is, that you can not expect when you remove this one source of dissen sion to have that tranquillity and contentment which have been prophesied by my hon. friend. On the contrary I be lieve that this is one of a series of attacks that will be fol lowed by other attacks of the same nature. (Hear.) If your principle is concession and nothing but concession— if on every occasion you purchase peace by adopting this course—l roust say that lam not prepared to say how far you will b 3 obliged to go in this direction. At the same time lam very f i r from being ignorant of the difficulties that beset this question of church rates. We cannot deny that the state of the law is most unsatisfactory, and that the reinedise which prevail under that law give rise to scenes scandalous in themselves, and occasion amongst the various religious sects in this country. Well, this is practically true. While no man can deny that such is the state of the law, I do not myself see that you are likely to obtain any settlement of this question which shall be at all satisfactory unless you take it into your consideration what are the present rights of the Church, and that you make your settlement upon a fair basis. (Hear.) I have heard of a settlement on this basis and an hon. gentleman opposite, wh o h as i n t ro d uce d a bid upon the subject, has adopted such basis—namely, that those who dissent from the Church should be registered as Dis senters, and, being so reeistered, that there should be a certain portion of the church rates to which they should not be obliged to contribute. Such was in a great part the mea sure of tics- hon. and learned friend behind me (111r.Phillimore). Well, I admit there is much to tempt one in this principle. I own, however, I cannot but think that very serious evils would follow hereafter from the distinctions that would be thus set up between Churchmen and Dissenters. (Hear.) One hon. gentleman has gone through some statistics in regard to the Church. He has, however, I think, shown not exactly that which he intended. It may no doubt be true that the Church has no very great absolute majority in the country, but it is quite evident that it has a very considerable majority over eve:y other religion. The hon. member has no doubt shown that there are great bodies frequenting dissenting places of worship ; but there are many of those dissenting places of worship attended by a most numerous and respectable sect called Wesleyans, who profess no hostility to the Church, and who, while they purchase their lands and build their churches out of their own resources, declare that they have no desire to injure the Established Church. They think that Divine service upon the Sunday should be attended to by the members of the Established Church ; but they also think that they ought to have dissenting chapels built for their own particular form of worship. (Hear, hear.) I think it would be a very great calamity if you obliged those parties to say whether or not they were Dissenters, and thereby put them in a position of antagonism to the Church, which they did not themselves wish to occupy. Such being the case, I am disposed to think it would be far better that we should not now attempt during the re mainder of this session to find a solution of this very diffi cult problem. Ido not think it would be wise—l do not thiuk it would be consistent with the position which the Established Church holds in this country that you should totally abolish church rates. (Hear, hear.) My hon. friend says—" Let me aboli s h c h urc h rates, and you are at per fect liberty to rind some pr 'vision afterwards for the re pair of churches." That is a very convenient proposal for my hon. friend's purpose; but I cannot forget that, what ever may be the present division of religious opinion in this country, those churches are, after all, national struc tures. They , were intended to serve the purposes of a national church; and the maintenance, at all events, of those fabrics appears to be a national object. I think it ought to be your first provision, and not your last, to en deavour to find some mode of maintaining those churches, and having found that mode, it would be most agreeable to every one to see that this particular species of support— namely, church rates —which is the cause of vexation and ill-will, being no longer necessary, was by common consent to be abolished. But as the question stands at present I certainly am not prepared to give my willing consent to the total and entire abolition of those church rates with out any suestitute, and without any compensation. (Hear.) If a division should now take place upon the subject, I must, in consistency with my opinions, give a vote against the introduction of this measure. (Hear.) The house is not very full, and it may be that my hon. friend may be successful in:his motion for leave to introduce his bill; but as his principle is clearly declared I should feel more at liberty, if lie were to succeed upon this occasion, in opposing] the second reading of the measure, after having declared my objections to it in the beginning, than if I had silently all owe d it t o b e introduced. It is not, after all, of vital interest to the Church that this amount of revenue should be collected in the way in which it is now collected, or that it should be applied exactly in the way in which it has hitherto been applied. Notwith standing all that has been said of the falling fortunes of the Church, I have that belief in the attachment of the majority of the people of this country to that Churct, that even if it pleased Parliament totally to abolish these church rates, I think moans would be found (cheers and counter cheers) by the landowners, by the gentry, and by men of all orders who belong to the Church, to supply the revenue which would then be wanted. (Hear, hear.) It is not, therefore, from a belief that the Church would by n i oh a t i u n re disposednhc t, which i h t the mere a b s t rac ti on o f so couc h revenue fall into decay, that I am o pp ose d t o l eg i s l at i on of this kind ; but I do o to uh g l is b- e e think that if suc h a bill were to pass both Houses of Par liaineot, t a ha s t ym s p u t p o p m ort th t a o t Parliamentthe Established Church was point, hitherto withoutatfo afforded smallest it. concession upon chi this h considera tion of other means of settling the question—of what was the state of the law—of what was due to the Church—l think that such a concession—that such an ahsoluto sur render of the churns of the Church, would be a symptom that in any future attacks on the same establishment the assailants would be likely to obtain the support of Parlia ment. (Heir, hear.) I cannot, therefore, assent to the proposal thatis now before us. Whether or not my oppo sition to this motion may be successful to-night, I feel assured that a bill of this kind cannot pass through Parliament in the present session. (Hear, hear.) I think that the question, surrounded as it is with difficulty, requires further consideration. I have no doubt that a measure might be framed—and such a mea sure has already been repeatedly under the consideration of gevernments in this country—which would meet thejustice of the case, and which, if it were passed, would greatly tend to diminish, at all events, the popular complaints which are made against church rates. But that such a we have again two plans laid before us, not precisely, how ever, those of last year. One of them originates with my hon. friend (Mr. Paoke), and I am quite sure he brings it forward with an earnest and sincere desire to satisfy all classes of the community. (Hear, hear.) But I confess, looking at his proposition, which provides an exemption from the payment of certain temporary expenses—l con fess it appears to me that the distinction drawn is too minute to give satisfaction to those who object to be taxed at all. For I would impress upon the house that this question has never been raised as one of money. If I take the total amount that is raised from the noncon formists, I believe that at the very highest computation it has never exceeded 200,000/. Tee amount, therefore, becomes a totally insignificant one when the question of feeling is taken into account. (Hear, hear.) The question throughout, it canno t b e concealed, has not been one of money, but one of principle. (Hear, hear.) And that being so, I believe that if we continue to uphold our old law—if we are still to resort to the old machinery of imposing a rate—although we may diminish its amount — although in other ways we may alleviate the amount of the pecuniary burden —that the daily objection on the ground of principle will not be removed, and that all that will have been done will be to render our rate less produc tive in amount, though no way less objectionable on the ground of feeling. (Hear, hear.) Well, then, the propo sition brought forward last year by the lion, and learned member for Tavistock (Mr. Phillimore) was founded, in some respects, upon a different principle. It proposed the entire exemption from church rates of those who did not belong to the Church. Now, I believe that there was nothing in that proposal which could be called unfair or unreasonable. I confess I cannot see anything of the character of hardship or persuasion in simply calling upon men —not so much to make a declaration of their religious opinions —but to declare whether they intend to use the church or not, and if they do they must pay for it. So far as my own opinions are concerned, I think that a compromise might be effected ; but the re sult will be, whether such a measure be passed or not, that in a few years the principle of collecting those rates will be abandoned, and a different system will be resorted to. (Hear, hear.) But the proposition of the hon. and learned member for Tavistock was net received by this house ; and inasmuch as it was not brought forward again this year, I regard it as being entirely out of the question. The only alternatives we have to consider are these—we may keep the law as it ; but that, I a pp re h en d , i s not d es i red by anybody. Well, then, we may adopt the proposition of the hon. and learned member for Tavistock, to which I have referred ; but I confess I think that this proposition would not produce the effect he anticipates—that of satisfying the claim of nonconformists. There is, then, a third course —namely, that which is proposed by the hon. baronet. It is proposed to settle this question for all interests in the way in which one-half of England has already settled it. Sir, I thiuk that the hon. baronet has exercised a wise discretion in not attempting to de termine from what sources these funds are to be taken which are to replace church rates. In regard to the ex penses of the Church, it is proposed that they should be defrayed from the lands of the Church. Now, that is a plan which I think is surrounded with considerable diffi culty. In the first place, we hardly know the amount or value of that property. In the next place, it is wanted for many other ecclesiastical purposes. And, lastly, and in my mind the most important consideration is—it appears to me a very objectionable principle to say that you will provide for local wants and local circumstances out of the general central fund. Whether the contribution be volun tary or obligatory, I think that it is a sound principle to say that every place shall pay the expenses of its own re quirements. (Hear.) The proposed measure of the hon. baronet omits to deal with this part of the question. It simply declares the abandonment of the principle of a com pulsory rate. Well, sir, I think that the time has come when that abandonment is necessary. (Cheers from the dissenters.) I do not say that the doctrine of the new system, of this voluntary system, is altogether free from risks and difficulties. Those risks and difficulties have been alluded to already. I see them as charly as any hon. member here ; but I believe that there is no option now left us. I believe that the country has already decided this question ; and I am of opinion that it is our duty and best wisdom to acquiesce in that decision. (Cheers.) Mr. CROSSLEY said he thought that the measures should not only relieve dissenters from the payment of church rates, but also infidels, who would perhaps b e in duced to return to the faith if those unjust exactions were given up. Mr. PHILIPPS said, he had a great wish to see this question amicably settled. He had great faith in the volun tary principle for the building of churches, but he confessed that he had no such faith in that principle for the repairs of churches. Living in a country where the Church was not only exposed to moral difficulties, but where dissenters were very numerous, and churchmen very poor, when the churches were going rapidly to decay, he felt it impossible to overrate the enormous advantages of having a fund ap plicable to the dilapidations of churches which were con tinually occurring. That was a difficulty for which he sa no remedy in any alteration of the law. Under those cir cumstances, he could not support the measure of the hon. baronet. Mr. R. PHILLIMORE, who was met by loud cries of " divide, divide," said he had heard the speech of the noble lord opposite with great pleasure. As the noble lord had made allusion to the motion he (Mr. Phillimore) made last year, he felt that he was called upon to make a few obser vations. He thought that honourable members should be cautious in voting for a measure abolishing church rates altogether without providing any substitute for them. They should remember that, upon the other side of the Tweed, church rates were paid by a large body of dissen ters who had made no appeal to Parliament. He had not the slighteet intention in his proposition of inflicting the least degree of pain upon the conscientious convictions of those who differed from the Established Church. He had on the 27th of March voted conscientiously upon the question that the Roman Catholics of Ireland should be exempted from the payment of ministers' money, and there was hardly one nonconformist in that house who did not vote for the same proposition. By the measure which he proposed last year a man was not called upon to declare his religious tenets or doctrines, but simple to declare whether he made use of the church or not; and in case he did make use of it, he was bound to pay for it. Could anything be more fair, just, or reasonable ? He was so anxious to have this matter settled, and aas so desirous for the peace and welfare of the Church, and that it should not receive any support from the dissenters, that he would I consent to any proposition that was likely to relieve it from that difficulty. Although he was anxious to exempt from this burden all such as entertained conscientious objections to the church rates, he could see no reason whatever why church men should not pay those rates. So far from con gratulating ourselves that so many churches had been built, we ought to take shame to ourselves that double the num ber had not been built, and that double the amount of money had not been subscribed. He was one of the last men to consent to any part of that money being applied to relieving the wealthy churchmen from the obligation im posed upon them by the law as well as their own con sciences. The Church should, however, be the place in which all distinctions should be forgotten, and the last place in which those distinctions should be kept up in the most offensive manner. For those reasons he was ready to relieve dissenters, but not churchmen, from the payment of church rates. Mr. H. DRUMMOND believed it was of much less im portance whether a few more or a few less belonged to the respective sects than that they should really understand the essence of the question upon which they were going to vote. It was impossible after what they had heard, and es pecially after the speech of the noble lord (Stanley) not to see that this question was far snore extensive than the payment of a few pounds in the shape of church rates by dissenters. It was perfectly plain from the language held this night, that every argument used against the payment of church rates was equally valid against the support of the Established Church (Hear) It was very easy to talk about the delight of brethren dwelling together in unity and peace When Edward Gibbon Wakefield was in Newgate, he found amongst the thieves there was the same opinion as to the origin of their trouble. And that origin was the magis trates, the judges, and the police. (Laughter.) Now, hon. gentlemen who oppose the church rates think that the mat ter could be amicably settled if they were allowed to rob the church with impunity. (No, no, from the dissenters.) Why they talked of the necessity of this matter being ami cably settled, and yet there was not one of them who talked of any other settlement whatever but an absolute refusal to pay. (Hear, hear.) W e ll , if that was not having their own way and a robbery of the Church with impttni ty, he confessed he was at a loss to understand anything. People were very fond of talking of their consciences, and he had no objection to their indulging themselves in such a way, but there was always a secret insinuation made that no one else had a conscience. (Hear, hear, and laughter). In all the countries in the world of which we have any record we find that the Sovereign of that country did establish, for the benefit of the subjects, a nati ona l reli gion. That national religion was necessarily the religion of the Sovereign. That was their con sc i en ti ous d u t y t o d o, and the conscientious duty of every subject of the Sove reign was to assist that Sovereign in upholding all that was necessary for the religious instruction of the subjects gene rally. (Hear.) But hon. members said that this blessed thing called dissent should be exempted from the payment of church rates. They should, however, recollect that peo ple must pay for luxuries. They could not keep a pack of hounds or a box at the Opera without expense. (Laugh. ter.) How could they expect to have the luxury of amus ing sermons from the bishop, or of attacking the Church Establishment, without paying the miserable pittance of I a church rate. (Cries of "Oh, oh.") But this was not all. He said, with respect to church rates, what he had said with respect to tithes, that there was a great cry for their abolition, but the meaning of that was that every landlord should put one-tenth more property into his pocket than he had a right to. (Hear, hear.) If they abo lished tithe let the State take it. He said the same in re spect to church rates ' • for they bought thei r h ouses an d their l an d s su bj ec t to those burdens, and they should not put these monies into their own pockets. Let the Chan cellor of the Exchequer take them—they belong to the State. If their consciences would not allow them to pay this money to the State, he should still suspect that these were not questions of conscience, but of money after all. Lord J. RUSSELL—Sir, I have not much addressed the house upon this subject. It has been very frequently brought before us, and I think the ground of it is hardly changed in the course of the various discussions that have taken place. It was during the Government of Lord Grey a proposition was made to abolish church rates, but at the same time to give the sum of 250,0001. from the Con solidated Fund for the repairs of the churches ; and like wise that there should be the means found for what is called the furniture of the Church. In 1837 a bill was pro posed by the Government to which I belonged, by which a certain portion of the revenue of the Church was to be taken for the repairs of churches instead of the church rates. Both of those measures were, however, violently opposed. The first was violently opposed by the Dissenters, who got up au agitation on the subject, and Lord Althorp found it impossible to proceed with it. The second mea sure was opposed by much vehemence and pertinacity, and the archdeacons throughout the country gut petitions circulated everywhere which were numerously signed against the measure. A division upon the subject took place in this house, and there being only a majority of five in favour of the measure, it was given up. I confess that the rejection of both of those proposals, which apps red to me to have been framed in a fair and impartial spirit, has given ma but very slender hopes of any fair adjustment of this question being effected. (Hear.) It appears from what I hoard to-night that there is as little disposition as there ever was at any former time to con sent to what is called a compromise upon this subject. Some hon. gentlemen approach the Church with e very kind of blandishment with a view of inducin g it to con sen t t o to give up th e c h urc h- ra t es . Th e y sa y "Your church has the prettiest voice in the world ; and if it exerted it for the purpose of persuasion, every one would at once yield to its influence " Theysay " If you would only drop that which you have got in your beak, the body that is opposed to you be happy to take it." (Laughter.) There are others who approach the church in another tone alto gether. They say it is an institution that is rotten to the core; it was opposed to the spirit of the age, and no thing but thin blindness of the members of the Church pre vents thou Lam 300illg that that Churohis . doomed to de. measure would pass through Parliament I own I have very great doubts. lam afi aid that no measure could be found which would not meet with the opposition either of the Church on the one side or of the Dissenters on the other. I am afraid that it will be, not only difficult, but almost impossible to frame a measure which, founded on prin ciples of justica and impartiality, would meet with general approval and support. I know the pains that are taken by those who agitate the country, whether they belong to the Church or whether they belong to the dissenting bodies —I know the pains that are taken to defeat measures which seem measures of compromise and of equal justice to both parties. I have found with regard to measures which I thought most beneficial to the Church, that a hot oppo sition has been offered to them on the part of the Church, and that those measures have been almost defeated by that opposition; and I am bound to confess, on the other hand, that measures which I thought beneficial to the Dissenters, but which in their opinion tended to give too much to the Church, have been vehemently opposed on their parts. In fact, we live in times when these differ eneas--differences sometimes on points of Church govern ment which are not very considerable in themselves, and differences at other times on questions of the greatest im portance with regard to religious belief—l say we live in times when differences of one or other of these characters divide this couutry and produce tho most violent excite ment, and an exhibition of the greatest array of party passion and antagonism. Such ueing the case, I am not sanguine with regard to the success of any measure which the Government might frame, and which they might hope to introduce in another session of Parliament. But this I will say, that I should think that if I were to give my willing assent to a bill for totally abolishing church rates, without any sort of compensation or any sort of mo dification, I should be setting the example of a concession very dangerous to the Church Establishment, and when I say tho Church Establishment, I believe I may say to the general interests of the country. (Cheers.) The house then divided— For the introduction of the bill Against it Majority The announcement of the numbers was followed by con siderable cheering. Leave was then given to bring in the bill, and it was subsequently read a first time. The Industrial and Provident Societies Bill passed through committee. The Churc 11 1110' Acts Amendment Bill, as amended, 1113 -7 o was considered and agreed to. The report of the committee of ways and means was re ceived. THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, MAY - 24, 1854. STAMP ACTS The report on this bill was brought up and received. INCOME TAX (No. 2) BILL. The Income Tax (No. 2) Bill, and Consolidated Fund (8,000,0001.) Bill, were severally brought up and read a first time; the latter being ordered for second reading to-morrow (this day). The house adjourned at a few minutes after 10 o'clock. [ADVERTISEMENT.] EPSOM RACES. -- SPORTS MEN.—Her Majesty's Royal Letters Patent, for valu able and extraordinary improvements in the most powerful and brilliant Telescopes, Camp, Racecourse, Opera, and Perspective Glasses, to know the dis tances of objects viewed through them—of great im portance to the army, navy, and others. Messrs. S. and B. Solomons, opticians, 39, Albemarle-street, Piccadilly. Observe --opposite the York Hotel.--These telescopes pos sess such extraordinary powers that some, 3A inches, with an extra eye-piece, will show distinctly Jupiter's moons, Saturn's ring, and the double stars ; with the same tele scope c an b e seen a person's countenance three miles and a half distant, and an object from 12 to 14 miles. They are of larger and all sizes, with increasing powers accordingly.-- The Royal Exhibition, 1851. - Valuable, newly invented, very small, powerful waistcoat-pocket glass the size of a walnut, by which a person can be seen and known 7.A mile distant; they answer every purpose on the race-course, at the opera-houses, country sce nery, and ships are clearly seer at 12 to 14 miles. They are invaluable for shooting, deer-stalking, yachting, to sports men, gen tl emen, ga mekeepers, and tourists. Opera, race-course, camp, and perspective glasses, with wonderful power; an object can be clearly seen from 10 to 12 miles distant. Newly-invented Spectacles ; immediately th 93 are placed before extremely imperfect vision, every object becomes clear and distinct ; the most aged, de fective sight is brought to its youthful, natural, and ori ginal state. Deafness—New Discovery—The Organic Vi. brator, au extraordinary powerful, small, newly-invented instrument, for Deafness, entirely different from all others, to surpass anything of the kind that has been, or pro. bably ever can be, produced. Being of the same colour as the skin, is not perceptible ; it en a bl es d eaf persons to hear distinctly at church and at public as semblies ; the unpleasant sensation of singing noises in the ears is entirely removed ; and it affords all the assist ance that possibly could be desired.-39, Albemarle -street, Observe, opposite the York Hotels S V . LONDON GAZMT.TE OF LAST NIGHT. LORD CHAMBERLAIN'S OFFICE, APRIL 18. Notice - is - leby given, that her Majesty will hold a Levee, at St. James's Palace, on Friday, the 9th June next, at two o'clock. ST. JAMES'S PALACE; MAY 22. The Queen has been pleased to appoint Major George Howard VysJ, of the Second Regiment of Life Guards, to be one of the Gentlemen Ushers Quarterly Waiters in Ordinary to her Majesty, in the room of Edward Hob house, Esq., deceased. FOREIGN-OFFICE, MAY 18. The Queen has been pleased in appr.)ve of Mr. John Albert Beneke as Consul at Liverpool for his Majesty the King of Wurterberg. DOWNING-STREET, 3IAY 20. The Queen has been pleased to appoint William Young, Esq., to be Attorney-General • Lewis Mr. Wilkins, Esq., to he Provincial Secretary; William A. Henry, Esq., to be Solicitor-General ; and James B. Uniacke, Esq., to be Commissioner of Crown Lands—:or the Province of Nova Scotia. Her Majesty has also been pleased to appoint William Henry liawstorne, Esq., to be Postmaster for the Island of Mauritius. HORSE GUARDS, MAY 19. The Queen has been pleased, on the recommendation of the Gunera2 Commanding-in-Chief, to appoint Charles James Lind Esq., late Lieutenant Ride Brigade, to be one of her Majesty's Corps of Gentlemen-at-Arms, vice Taylor, deceased. OFFICg OF ORDNANCE, MAY 22. Royal Regiment of ArtiPery—Second Lieuenant Henry Thomas Arbuthnot to be First Lieutenant, vice Winn, re- tired, May 16. COMMISSIONS SIGNED BY LORD LIEUTENANTS County of Southampton—Edgar Atheling Drummond, Esq., to be Deputy-Lieutenant, May 15. Hampshire Militia Artillery—Edward Goodeve Goble, Gent., to be First Lieutenant; Albert Newby Clay, Gent., to be Second Lieutenant, April 3. Royal Cornwall and Devon Miners Regiment of Militia. —Reuben Frederick Magor, Gent., to be Second Lieuten ant, May 2. Regiment of Royal London Militia—Alfred Ben well Letts, Gent., to be Ensign, May 19. Royal Montgomeryshi - iv Rifle Corps of Militia—First Lieutenant, John Hayward Jenkins to be Captain, vice John Edward Harryman Pryce, promoted; Second Lieu tenant John Matthew Jones to be First Lieutenant, vice Jenkins, promoted, May 22. Denbighshire Yeomanry Cavalry Cornet Richard Wakeford Attree to be Lieutenant, vice Williams, re signed. The Lord Chancellor has appointed Henry Berry, Vera lam-buildings, Gray's-inn, to be a Commissioner for ad ministering oaths in the High Court of Chancery. BANKRUPTS. George Saunders, gas-fitter, Seymour-street, Euston square, to surrender, June 2 and July 7, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Cannan, official assignee, Alder manbury ; Thomson and Sc n, Ge )rge-street, Minories, Charles Fitton, joiner, Newton Heath, Lancaster, June 3 and 30, at twelve, at the Manchester District Court. Hernaman, official assignee, Manchester; Whitworth, Manchester. William Bradley George, bill brolcer, Gloucester, June 5, and July 3, at eleven, at the Bristol District Court. Acraman, official assignee, Bristol ; Brethei ton, Glou cester. Robert Burr, boot and shoemaker, Gosport, June 1, and July 6, at one, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Johnson, official assignee ; Burr, Paternoster-row. Thomas Fin , liett and William Finehett, brewers, Chorl ton-upon-MedloCk, Manchester, June and July 5, at twelve, at the Manchester District Court. Fraser, official assignee, Manchester ; Higson and Robinson, Manchester. Thomas Hoy Burton, cowkeeper and dairyman, Win chester, June 2, and July 7, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Caunan, official assignee, Aldermaubury ; Wood, Aldersgate-street ; Woolridge, Winchester. John Jackson, commission :gent, Kingston-upon-Hull, June 7, and July 3, at twelve, at the Leeds District Court. Carrick, official assignee, Hull ; Preston, Hull. William Wright, butcher, Thetford, slay 31, at two o'clock, and July 5, at half-past two, at the Court o f Bank ruptcy. Stansfeld, official assignee; Houghton and James son, Gray's-inn. Joseph Best, jun., scrivener, Kidderminster, June 6 and 22, at ten, at the Birmingham District Court. &Weston, official assignee, Birmingham ; Roberts, Gray's-inn ; Reece, Birmingham. _ Janies Hunt, builder, Lupus•street, Pimlico, May 31 at one, and July 5, at two, at the Court of Bankruptcy Graham, official assignee; Fitch, Southampton street, Bloomsbury: Thomas Holland, tobacco broker, Islington, Juno 1, at one, and July 6, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Bell, official assignee, Coleman-street-buildings; Eagleton, Newgate-street. willi am Johnson, butcher, Bradford, June 13, and July 4, at eleven, at the Leeds District Court. Hope, official assignee, Leeds; Terry and Watson, Bradford ; Bond and Warwick, Leeds. Richard Bond, builder, Brighton, June 2, at one, and July 8, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Whitmore, official assignee, Basinghall-street; Barrow and Clarke, Bloomsbury-square. Hugh Eldrid, grocer, Oxford, May 30, at half-past two, and July 3 (and not June 3, as advertised in the Gazette of the 19th inst.), at two, at the Court of alekruptcy. Lee, official assignee, Moorgate-street ; Skynner, Coleman street. DIVIDENDS DECLARED. Richard Walker, of Bury, Lancashire, clogger, a divi dend of 6id. in the pound, payable at 10, Union-street, Bury, on any Tuesday. Joseph Turner, of Bury, Lancashire, cotton weaver, a dividend of 14d. in the pound, payable at 10, Union-sweet, Bury, on any Tuesday. - William Fawcett, of Liverpool, merchant, fifth dividend of 5.; d. in the pound, payable at 9, South Castle-street, Liverpool, on May 29, or any following Monday. Lilley and Ashmall, of Liverpool, merchants, first divi dend of 6d. in the pound, payable at 9, South Castle-street, Liverpool, on May 29, or any following Monday. Hesketh, of Blackburn, Lancashire, cotton manufacturer, first dividend of 3s. 61d. in the pound. pay able at 4.5, George-street, Manchester, on June 13, or any following Tuesday. DIVIDENDS TO BE DECLARED. • Richard Williams, of New Brentford, bootwaker, June 14—William Li iesey, of 13i, St. Alban's-terrace, Vaux hall-bridge-road, smith, June 14—John Masson, of Lime street-square, City, merchant, June 13—Henry Steel, of Norwich, tea dealer, June 14—Henry Wilson, jun., of 36. Old-street-road, currier, June 14—John Martindale, of New Bond-street, Hanover-square, wine merchant, June 13—Frederick Bhear, of George-yard, Lombard-street, City, hotel keeper, June 14—Thomas Barber, of Cam bridge, schoolmaster, Juno 14—William Bromley, of Gray's-inn-square, scrivener, June 13—Edwin Shaw, of Birmingham, pocket book maker, July I—James Guest, of Manchester, cotton spinner, June 23 Joseph Howard, of Glossop, Derbyshire, cotton spinner, June 22 Thomas Wilson and Henry Corbett, of Madras, Manches ter, and Preston, June 22—Michael Wood and John Wild ing, Openshaw, Lancashire, boiler makers, also on the separate estate of Michael Wood, also on the separate estate of John Wilding, June 15—Joseph Mundell, sen., Netherbury, Dorsetshire, flax spinner, June 15—Richard George Daimond, Newton Abbott, Devonshire, stationer, June 15—Thomas Lam plugh, Great Driffield, Yorkshire, draper, June 14—Edwin Lilley, Kingston-upon-Hull, timber merchant, June 14. CERTIFICATES. James Henry Thomas Vaughan Hughes, Westbourne. grove, Bayswater, chemist, June 15—Henry Steel, Nor wich, tea dealer, June 14—Richard Brownlow, Manches ter, gum manufa.:turer, June 17—Richard George Beesley Manchester, cotton spinner, June 17. INSOLVENT PETITIONERS. William Nash Green, Birmingham, butcher—William Thomas Birmingham, brewer—Bryan Britton, Birming ham, tailor—George Hellingsworth, Birmingham, plumber —Daniel Grantham, Birmingham, builder—Wiliam Ship pam, Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, baker—George Cooke, Nottingham, umbrella dealer—George Warsop, Notting ham, machinist—John Rogers, Poole, Dorsetshire, mas ter mariner - Dennis Crowley, Kidderminster, Worces tershire, grocer—George Bowden, Runcorn, Cheshire, joiner —John Rands, Rowell, Northamptonshire, publican —James Hercock, Rowell, Northamptonshire, wheelwright —Thomas Colegrove, South Newington, Oxfordshire, wheel wright. PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED. John Robert Reay, Richard Turner, and Heaums Sand ford, 75, Mark-lane, City, wine merchants—Alexander Jarvie and Samuel Farn an, 6, Mincing-lane, City—William Sellers and John Sellers, Leeds, tallow chandlers—Henry Jones and George Ronksley, Sheffield, brassfounders—A. ' Stewartand Isaac Westmorland—Alfred Shepherd, Edwin Shepherd, and Walter Shepherd, Crane-court, confectioners (so far as regards Alfred Shepherd)—Thoinas Brennand and James Mrd, Wigan, Lancashire, butchers—Sarah Butler and James Robert Butler, Elm-street, Gray's-iun lane, wire weavers —John Josiah Garton and Frederick William Portbury, Exeter, ironmongers —John Townsend and Richard Rowland Minton, Liverpool, printing ink manufacturers —Joseph Dodgson and William Gill Kitching, Bradford, Yorkshire, stuff merchants—Christopher Charles Baxter and James Richmond, 31, James-street, Covent garden, potato salesmen—James Allen and William Allen, Manchester, wine and spirit merchants—John Mellor and John Bradshaw, Stockport, Cheshire, paper stainers Thomas Hall and I saac H a ll, Oldh am , L ancas hire, b o bb in manufacturers—John Hill and William Henry Dudden, Paulton, Somersetshire, wine and spirit merchants. ' SCOTCH SEQUESTRATIONS. James Gay, grocer, Falkirk. Lowrie Miller, clothier, Glasgow. [ADVERTISEMENT.}—Du Barry's Delicious Revalenta- Arabica Food invariablyrestores health, without medicine, inconvenience, or expense, as it saves 50 times its cost in other remedies. We extract a few out (4 . 50,000 testi menials of cures, which had resisted all medicines. Cure No. 180.—" Twenty-five years' nervousness, constipation, indigestion, and debility, from which I had suffered great misery, and which no medicine could remove or relieve, have been effectually cured by Du Barry's food in a very short time.—W. B. Reeve, Pool Anthony, Tiverton." Cure No. 4,208.—" Eight years' dyspepsia, nervousness, debility, with cramps, spasms and nausea, have been effectually removed by Du Barry's delicious food in a very short time.—Rev. John W. Flavell, Ridliugton Rectory, Norfolk.' Cure No. 1,78 t—" Not expected to live six days longer. I was cured by Du Barry's admirable food. —Magdalena Purvis, Moffatt, Scotland." Cure No. 51,416. —" Fifty years' indescribable agony from dyspepsia, nervousness, asthma, cough, constip a ti on , fl a t u l ency, spasms, sickn ess at the stomach and votnitings, have been removed by Du Barry's excellent Food.—Maria Jolly, Wortham, Ling, near Diss, Norfolk." Cure No. 3,900. " Thirteen years cough, indigestion, and general debility have been removed by Du Barry's excellent Food.—James Potter, Athol-street, Perth." Cure No. 81.—" Twenty years' liver complaint, with disorders of the stomach and nerves, have been perfectly cured by Du Barry's Revalenta Arabica. Andrew Frazer, Fladdington, East Lothian." " Trevagler, Gulval, near Penzance. Feb. 20th, 1851.—Eighteen years' , nervous debility, violent palpitation of the heart, throb bing of the temples violent p a in s i n th e l e ft side and back, shortn ess o f breath, coughs, numbess of the extremities, cramps, spasms, flat u l enc y, retching, and such general weakness, th a t I was constantly fearful of falling when on my legs ; all these symptoms have been removed by Du Barry's excellent Food.—Mary Gilbert."—ln canisters, suitably packed for all climates, and with full instructions —llb., 2s. 9d. ; 21b., 45. 6d. ; 51b., lls. ; 121 b., 225. ; super-refined, 11b., 6s. ; 21b., Hs. ; 51b., ; 101 b., 335. The 101 b. and 121 b., carriage free, on post office order. Barry du Barry and Co., 77, Regent-street, London ; Fortnum, Mason, and Co., purveyors to her Majesty, Pic cadilly ; also at 68, Cornhill; 60, Gracechurch-street ; 330 and 451, Strand, 63 and 150, Oxford -street ; 55, Ohazirrcross; 4, Obeapoide! SHIPPING INT ELLIGENC& CUSTOM-HOUSE, MAY 23. ENTERED INWARDS. —The Elizabeth, from Gue ril l B7; Ocean, Salonica ; Jonge hintje, Worcum ; Maria, " IP mar ; C orsa i r, G uernsey ; Iris, Pernambuco ;barleef Rouen ; Wyvern, Oporto ; Hannah, Guernsey ; BahLel l* Bahia; Deo Gloria Neuhaus Oresund, Helsingborg; Septiinus de Septiino, Antwerp ; Concordia, 'forget' Gloria D eo , N orderschleuse ; Union, Bruges ; "in"' Marseilles • Sibyls, Kertch; Castor, Vi naro y ; Amsterda in d Mowinckel; Edwin Forrest, New York ; James .fl a t , Elizabeth, Memel ; J o h annes, C onstantinople ; Lev"c— Galatz ; Highburv, Adelaide ; Henrietta, Odessa. ENTERED OUTWARDS FOR LOADING. The Kangarg . l for Copenh agen ; Las Palmas, Teneriff e an d Grande nary; Helen a , L eer; Susan and Rary, Cherbourg; J° Bunyan, Cape of Good Hope and Calcutta ; Jane, Berbice, Six Brothers, Cherbourg; Frederick Wilhelm, , 113 ,, °1 ; burgh ; Mary, Ald einey ; City of Paris, Bouoilt; Wodan, M e lb ourne W harf; Agnes Smith, Tuba .0 an'' Vincent; Catharina, Altona ; Medemblink, Barcelas James Scott, New Zealand; North Star, Madras; Pallas' Newfoundland. CLEARED OUTWARDS WITH CARGO —The Caro Ottilie, fir Stettin ; Catharina, Leer; Spherpid, St• w ir „ .n . cent ; Concord, Gh ent ; Governor, Port Philip "„:r, di ingemauden, Ch r i s ti an i a, D rain, and. Moss ; Ds"-; Panama, and San Francisco • Valparaiso, Melbourne' Minkina, Konigsberg; Stad D ' ordrecht, Dora ; Beig i , / u°3 ' Ostend ; Sei ne , B ou l ogne ; Rhine, Rotterdam • Mnr e l. do ; Chri s ti an i a, N ew York • Countess of Lonsdale, ir burgh; Bowallan, Berbice ; ' City of London, Dunkirk' Alert, Sydney. VESSELS SPOKEN WITH. The Oregon (brig), for Now York, April 30, lat. 405 " 50 W. The Romulus (barque), of Bristol, outward bound, 314 3, lat. 42 N., long. 46 W. The Thomas Chadwick, March 23, lat. 35 S. The Wanderer, from Bombay to London, April 20, lat ' 13 N., long. 39 W. The Jamsetjee, May 18, lat. 62 N., long. 6 W. COUNTRY MARKETS. LIVERPOOL, MAY 23. At this day's market there was a good attendance of the town and country trade, and of buyers from a dicta the who, how ever , were i ndisposed to deal to any extent 10 0 prices asked by hollers here, and some conce•sion Lau be made to ma k e sa l es. White wheat 3d, and red id to. 7 per 701 b. d earer; an d flour saleable at is 6d per barrell!l prevenient. Oats in request at Id per 451 b., and °stole!: od to is per load, more money. Barley, beans, and P°,7; brought full prices. O n I n di an corn an advance of fv''' 2s per qr. obtainable. IPSWICHMAT 23. tea The supply of wheat at this day's market presen.„ o more choice to select from, and there was an inaniinat i vo about the trade, giving millers the opportunity to !Aim prices a shade in their favour. Souie - choice white brotig 83s pi-r qr. We quote to the growers : PER QUARTER. Or Wheat, red (old) PER QUA v ,,, 7.8 to 83 s B ar l ey, gr i nding ... 00s to 0 1 3 Ditto (new) Ditto, white (new) 82 s t o 88 s 00. , Peas Ditto (old) Barley, malting ... 34s to 3& Flour, per sack AVERAGES FOR THE WERE ENDING MAY 23, 1854. Wheat Barley 31 Oats DP Bears •i i Paas HULL—MAY 23. There was a fair show of whe a t f rom our own and {ye neighbouring far mers t o -d ay, f or which they demand advance of 2s per qr., but there was only a moderate at is over the rates of last Tuesday. Foreign More quired for, and a goo d sa l e at i s to 2s more money. 13$1.Tiea attracts attention. O a t s are i s d earer. Beans uiet, an in peas nothi ng d o i ng. Indian corn is dearer . Lips a dull market. Rapecakes in demand. Bones dull. s s Wheat, English, red 80 to 84 Ditto white B5 to 90 Dantzic and Konigs berg Pomeranian and Ham - burgh Danish, Holstein, and Friesland 7O to 74 Russian and Odessa 66 to 72 Oats, English Ditto Danish Ditto Friesland Ditto Russian 3O to 32 Barley, malting Ditto grinding 34 to 36 Beaus Ditto foreign Peas, white and yel su to 54 s. Peas, grey and black 45 to ' a Linseed, Black Sea._ 67 to ° Ditto Petersburg!' 62 to 6 ' Ditto Riga and Arch- 5 ang e l Ditto Konigsberg and Memel — to Per TO Lins. c., Hull 10/2 s 6d to 01 6s Ditto fine for. 8/ lOs 91105 , Ditto inf. for O/ Os Od to 0/ U" Rapeseed OOl Os to 00/ Os Rape cak es 120 s td to 0 ,,: Tares, English ,,,,,, 00s to tiv- Ditto foreign ...... 00s to 605 'Guano 4l lOs 81 to 1 210° Bones ...... 125 s 0.1 to uo= cid Rye Meal RAILWAY SHARE MARKETS. LIVERPOOL, MA m Y 23. STOCK EXCHANGE.—The share ark et has been st 6s(l to-day, without p resen ti ng any remarkable feature. Lan cashire and Yorkshire, 604 ; London and North-Firesteg! 964 ; Midland, 584 g ; S out h Eastern, 18i, 7-16, , B, 5-16; Dutch Rhenish, 41 dis. MANCHESTER, MAY 23. STOCK EXCEIANGE.—There ha s b een a l arge ' Antiess done to-day in South-Eastarns, but little in anything else' Prices aro firm. The sales were—Eastern Counties, 12i Lancashire and Yorkshire, 601, ; Liverpool, Crosby, and Southport, 11 ; London and North-Western, 27i c. ni• and B. Qrs. C., 5-16 il.; Manchester, Sheffield, and Lin" colushire, 19i ; 111iriland Railway Con., 584 ; s ou th- Eastern, 18 5-16 ; W arr i ngton and Stockport, 21 White• haven and Furness, 41. COURSE OF EXCHANGE —YESTERDAY. Am5terdam............ 11 14,, Gibraltar ........ •• •• • • 4% Ditto, three months .. 11 16 ...eghorn ...........• •• Z 2 34 Rotterdam ............ 11 161, a Genoa 25 Antwerp .............. 25 20 Milan .............• •• Brussels .............. 25 20 V en i ce :lanibur,;ll ............ 13 6 Naples . Altona .. ..............• .......... • • • • Palermo Pari5.......... •••• • • .24 97 .Messina .. Ditto, thrac months • • 26 71 % Lisbon .......... ••• • .. 25 30 Oporto ...• Bourdeaux .......... •• Ittu Janeiro .... ........ Frankton-on -Maine .... 118% Buenos Ayres Berlin . .............. New York, 60 days' sight Vienna .... 13 44 'Philadelphia ........ Prieste ....•.......•• 354 1 PRICES OP BULLION, PEB Petersburgh.... • • ...... Foreign Gold in Bar s ..e3 17 M a d r id• 50 1 4 Portug,al Gold Coin .. 0 0 Cadiz......... . 50% Mexican Dollars .... e 0 u Barcelona...... New Dollars ...... 0 ................ in bar , 0 0 15616' .27 534 5336 SEABORNE MAILS. ignlfies that the mail s are sent from the General Post-0— fN ni CO by the ul4llt—and M by the moruing—despatch.) Day when m ad, a From wth, COUNTRIES, in General Post. Port du , in I WI. ' Office, London., Dism,tche, Enid America( byl trit.pack) Every Friday .. i,iverpool Each li on. kmerica (by United Sts, packet) ...... N I May 2 ••• Ilverpool . jArrived kmerica (by U State.', packet) •N •• •• . Southampton, Australia (via South ampton) .......... ; May 4 •• t-outhampton June 4 Ditto (via Marseilles) N• M ay 8 . •.. Dover .... June 1 Ditto (via Cape of Good} neertain Africa ( West Coast) — 1 ,1,23 d the month . 'Plymouth •, June 6 Alexandria.......... Nls, 9, 24, &30 or m Dover .... A 1exandria.......... 3114th & 20th of mon. Southampt on Bahamas ,'d 117th of the mow , Soutthimp ton Belgium ............Nlltaily .......... Dover I%fity. 1 Brazil 31 1 9th of the month.. Southampton June 1 6 Buenos AyTe5........M ;9th of the month .. Southarmaton , May 16 Cape of Good Hose ..N 'l4th of the mont . Plymouth Cape of Good Hope .. N :14th of the month. Southamoton Cape de Verds ......N 14th of th e moat!. SoUthaMpton Ceylon (see India) Ceylon .. . • ......Nll4th of the montl. Channel Isles ....N ;Mon ~ Wed., &Frit!. I Routh am p tonlTu.Th ga t * • • • ..... Ml2d & 17th of wont' iSauthampton 'May 1 China (see India) Constanti nople 7,8,17,24,&27 of tn,lDover Constuttinople ........ :4th & 20th of mon SouthemptooJ t:ont. of Europe NI &Ni Twice daily Dover „ „ T w ieedaili Egypt (see India)• France •... M& N daily ...... Dover iTwicedell Gibraltar .....• .• —31,4, 7, 17, 20, 27 a n , Soutmirapion!May 6 Greece (see India) Greytown & 17th of mon. Southampton liday 6 Hamburgh ....N l Tuesday & Friday - London Havannah . %t 2nd of the molly Southampton June ► Holland M; Daily . • • Honduras Mll7 th of the month, Southampto.: May 16 India (viaSouthampt.)7.l l 4th & 20th of mon.. Plym uth .. ,May 20 India (via Marseilles)M ,Bth& 24th of moon. Dover „ lonian Isles (see India) 7, 17, & 27 of mon D0ver...... Ireland ........M & NiTwice daily ,„ HwbeaLisbon .............. mi 7, 9, 17, & 27 of m. S outhamptonlM ay 2 6 yn ..ITwicedsilY Madeira of the mo n t h S outhampton Juno 1 6 Madeira -23 d of month Malta (see India) Malta ............ N 7 ,17,19,27, 30 of miDover Mauritius (see India) Mauritius • ....N 14th of the month Mexico .. • Naples •••- •• •• ..N ibthl s tll2sthormon IDover May , 2 New Granada .. •• .. 31 i2cl & 17th of month So u th ampton Nay New Zei1and.........18y private ship Various port , Uncert 4l° Papal States ..N thlhth2sthonnon. Dover ...... May 2 P eninsula •• •......M 7 017th28thormon, Southampt o , May 6 Peru ~...M Id & 27th of mon southampton May I Port Natal 14th of the month Plymouth .. Sicily „N;sthlfith2stholinon, Dover may 2 Tuscany ............N:sthOtb2stholinon. Dover May 2 Venezuela Van Diemen'sLand (tee' Australia) .. West Indies ........ m 2d 11t 17th o month Southampton June 1 • When any of these .laten tall o a iulida.), ch „,,.„ will 1! 0 despatched on the following day with the exception of the Ilan °' a Southampton), ar.d the Malta, both of which will be despatche • th e day preceding. BIRTHS. OF A SON. On the 21st inst., at Royston, the wife of the Rev, T• Robinson, M.A. On the 18th inst., at 35, Rutland-square West, Dublin, he wife of David Lynch, Esq., Q.c. OF A DAUGHTER. On the 21st inst., at 4 Grosvenor-square, the Countess Dartmouth. On the 20th inst., at Waterloo, near Liverpool, the wife of Henry C. Brown, Inspector-General of her Majesty ° Customs. MARRIED. On the 22d inst., at St. James's thtPiccadilly genr?: t Charles, son of the late Rev. J. Dees, rec or , of W lingald, Essex, to Emily Esthe r , thi r d daughter of G. Su :l- van, Esq., of Wilmington, Isle of Wight. DIED. On the 22d inst., at Peterb oroug h, Ch ar l es J o h n Howl , eldest chill o f the Rev. C. Farebrother, rector of Irnhael cum Corby, Lincolnshire. On the 21st inst., at Swaffham-house, near Newmarket , Maria, re li ct of the late J. P. Alli x , E sq ., l a t e MX. for Cambridgeshire. On the 19th inst., at Wardour Castl e , the Hon. Leu ra d wife of Lieut.-Col. Macdonell, C. 8., and sister of Lor Arundel', of Wardour. LiNDON : Printed and Publish e d by MURDO Y of No. 112, St ran d , P r i nter, at The Sun Office, No. 1 1 Strand, in the Preci nc t o f th e S avoy, i n the counq ° Middinez, Wed Nash tal k y 24, INK, MR. Al tncludi ' SRN EVENII. , 'aurdaY); and ls, 3s. (whic all 4 ; area, 2s. TIIE CC INDIA That the Rat' notified tor disc' to 4/. per c,nt lidera' L 0 NITI ') S. HO ' 4 , lic generall3 44 llway in tin Y enlar, afford,d at the ~ F aMili, s rem al at fixed chap .. NIESMI t .,_ GEtil take Place at W .4 Y, the 7th .] It MO: g tht Ron. the ht Hon. the 4ight 11011 The Baron • De Langsto: PURSU a , ('handi t Ja' C ntro, lite w Zber tint 1811)Y of Herd dlst, d ay 0 ` hl9, at I nde t fault rslev N thereof t he Said Order at the sai Wednesdayd ch. „ ',tie claims. 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