The Sun. — London, England, 1830-12-10 00:00:00

eminent talents had been applied to the consideration of the sehject.of Reform, and heexpected from him and from Iris colle,agnis each a plan of Ileforrn as would satisfy the hopes of the people, and 'at the same . time secure the VAJOlttry froM the danger el revolntitin. As to the pledgee that the Ministers hadbeld out respecting economy an d retrenchment, he very much feared that this would wily excite very delusive hopes in others, and that the Noble Earl at the heed of the Administration laboured under great delusion himself, if he expected that any sensinte relief would be afforded existing distresses from thi. source. But the measure of retrenchment was in itself a correct one. As to the miestion of the Currency, the Ministers were aware of hie opinions, and they• ought not to disguise from themselves the situation in which they stood with reference to this question. it could not be denied that they had but two alter nativre, both of which were difficult, but from which they could not escape. The one alternative was, by a return to a paper circulation, to raise prices ; or if they rejected that, and persevered in supporting the present currency, then the only other alternative was, to reduce all payments to the seine scale. If they maintained the, metallic currency, they must diminish all payments in the debt, and all the establishment* to the scale at which they stood in 1792 ; and then they must consider the conet-- quences, for the thing could not be done without a con. vulsion. As to the corn laws, his opinion remained un changed; but if it was considered so very desirable to re peal the corn laws, and allow the importation of foreign corn at all times, and without duty, he would have no ob jection to consent to that on certain conditions, which be would mention. He who looked at the end must look at the means. He must enable the agriculturist of this country to compete with the foreign agriculturist. The land tax must be abolished. The poor rates now chatged tea the laud must be charged on the funds, on mer chandise, manufactures, and all species of property. If the Ministry would consent to these conditions, be would support them in the abolition of the system of the corn laws. Did their Lordships think with the Political Economists, that this country ought to be left to depend on foreigners without conditions? It I r ad been said that there was no occasion for this Commit tee, as a Committee of Inquiry on the subject of the ad ministration of the poor laws lied been granted at the int stance of a Noble Marquis (Salisbury). But that was nut *efficient. It was necessary that there should be a Com smite& of Inquiry on a much more extended scale. They had it on the highest authority—that of Holy Writ—" That the labourer was worthy of his hire." But the labourer could not get his hire es long as there remained so many burdens on the land without adequate protection. Like results of the measures of 1819 and 1828 were equivalent to edicts of confiscatiou, or commissions of bankruptcy with respect to all agricultural industry. Inquiry was necessary, no less from the variety of causes which com bined to produce the distress, than frcen the particular state of the public mind, founded upon the lamentable cone motions which laid waste the country. One thing he was determined on, whatever others might do, lie should feel it his duty to lay aside those new machines which threw out of employment such numbers of the labouring poor. To the ancient machinery lie bad no objection ; but he really did think some limit should be put to the use of those modern inventions, which displaced so wet a quantity of manual labour. The Earl of ROSEBERRY explained. The Earl of ELDON also said a few words in explana tion, which were not audible below the bar. The Earl of RADNOR said, that as he had voted for inqtary lot session, and was now about to vote against it, perhaps it might be necessary for him to make a few observations in explanation of a line of proceeding which might, if be did not, wear the appearance of inconatat eacy. In feet he always had, upon principle, an aversion to Committees of Inquiry (which, m his opinion, were of late years touch toe frequent), because he considered that they tended, in many eases, to take the Government of the country nut of the handy of his Majesty's servants, where it ought to be placed, and to relieve Ministers from a l a rge portion of that responsibility which they were coevututionelly bound to bear. Situated as he now was, be avowed himself, upon principle, averse to inquiry; but if be happened to be in the other House, where he had passed the greater part of his life, he should, most pro bably, be a friend the iliquiryt but it would be with a view, to impesehment. Far he really thought it was a thing not to be silently endured, that the late Administration should leave the crountry tee their CleCOShOri in a state of utter coo fusion and diaeolUtion of society; without having vengeance taken on them. 'Steers) o e Lyrae order, rose to Lord TVINHAIR having riven first, wee heard. lie put R their Lordship" if the Noble Led had not trams gresesil the retire of that Heusi, by tieing such a term at vengeance in reference to any Noble Lord? Eat STANHOPE read a pale* besting upon the sub ject froM the Order Book. Earl RADNOR resumed, Ile did not mean to allude personally to any Noble Lard. lie spoke mcrely of the late Adminirtration. He retracted the term vengeance, and was sorry he bad used it; but their Lordships must have observed that words did net come very freely to him. To the opining, however, he adhered, that there should be soma examination with a view to, the punishment of dome who had brought the country inter its prebent state. To return to the question moved by the Noble and Learned Lurd—hCifrOuld not now sate fur A Committee of Inquiry, although he had done so last Seasioo, because he thought circumstances were most materially changed. The pre snit Administration' bad only been three weeks in office., and on the first day of their accession, the Noble Earl had taken occasion to deedere that he would take the state of the country into his earliest con sideration, and that be would as speedily as re wade propose some remedy. lie was, therefore, justio tied in maintaining that they were in totally a different state Crow that of last year, when all inquiry was refused. In saying this, however, he begged to be underetood as having no blind confidence in the Government ; be would watch their measures, though he was anxious at all times to give! them his support. There was yet another objection to a Committee being voted at present. Parliament was likely to be adjourned in a few days (indeed ho might observe in eidentally that it was a great hardship that Government could not have adjourned it at once, for its sitting must he a great cause of distraction to them, from the anxious at tention they were required to devote to the state of affairs. arising frotuthe lamentable condition in which the country had been left by their predecessors), and from their only tide jouroutent the Committee could only sit one or two days ; mill he was convinced each Noble Lord would do better service by going down to their estates and mixing with their tenantry, than by sitting there and examining witneaks upon things which they could learn better by personal oh rervation. He ridiculed the ides of fixing a limit either us regarded machinery or the currency. If the Noble Lerl did not redeem his pledges after Christmas, it would then be, time enough for the Noble and Learned Lord to bring forward a motion. He regretted to observe that the links which bound society together were broken. The whole State was sore,' and its wound,' required to be treated with a healing hand. He trusted they would be so treated, although some strokes of severity would, he lamented to think, be necessary at first. For fifty years the people bad been treated by the Government of this country, not as the children who were to he loved and cherished, but as enemies who were to be kept at a dia. lance. The Noble and Learned Rirl well knew this was the wen It was urged by Noble Lords that the dis tressed people thould have pursued another course—that they should have petitioned; but did they not petition, and were not their petitions disregarded? Fur ten year. they bad petitioned for some Reform in Parliament ; hut their petitions Were not even read. Atter this long en. durance of evil, it was not to be wondered that they were disturbed. Of his own knowledge ha could de dare the distress was frightful. An ohle-bedied and industrious young num in the parish with which he Was connected bad in vain applied fur work. His allowance front the parish was es. hid. a week. Could he subsist on this ? What was he to do ? The condition of the country was lamentable t but he hoped front the zeal and talents of the Administration, that they would be able to establish peace. He trusted they might go on and prosper. The last thing in his desires would be to embarrass the present Government. The Duke of 'WELLINGTON—itIy Lords, having' voted against a reineilar motion in the last Session, it is not my Intention to vote for the inquiry now proposed by the Nelda and Learned Lord. I um perfectly *were of the difficulties and dangers in which the country is placed. It is not my inteution, and it never hes been my desire, to extenuate any of them ; but I challenge the Noble Earl who ercusee the late Administration to come to an inquiry upon any part of the conduct of that Adroinietration, Ins attributes the ditfienitiese and dangers of the country, and from which he declares thrit they proceed. 1 object to the inquiry in this fieassion, as I did in the last Yu'r) for Precisely thus Mule reasons, and for the very res tam stited by the Noble gdel.' This emptily, as proposed by tht Noble and Leartted Lord, is to extend to the tinsuces of the gauntry—m.oM evident of ,eihninistering and ett , eating the 1awe.....t0 the *tats of the commercial and ma nufacturing intereets—and, tu , 0, Noble Eni observed, ,avert to machinery. Now, my birds, it is impossible you can have au inquiry 00 aft theie without ex. citing expo:cerium, end invelviog the country in tlinioul., tioi and dangers ten times greater' than those under which it at present suffers. In addition to these reasons, it is not just towards the AdMinistration who have so lately taken upon themselves the conduct of affairs, that I should seek to involve them in difficulties in which -1,. myself, r.bjected to be involved last Session.—(}fear, bear.) Be- *idol, there is already a Conumittare sitting above stairs for the purpose of itiqiiiilneinte , thh:T.oe,Laws, which can enter upon many of the _pointw Urged by the Noble and Learned L' rd. That point, particularly es to levying rates from manufacturing property, as well as from the land, would, I imagine, come under their attention, toge ther with many other points referred to by the Noble and Learned Lord, to which I. shell not advert front the late ness of the hour, but into which the Committee will un doubtedly enter, as they will into that point I have men tioned. My Lords, as l said before, I do not wish to extenuate the drawers rind difficulties • of the .country; but I must 'say 'that the dangers and difficulties of the country did not Originate from anything that was done by the late' Administration. They originated front the difficulties abroad,'and the example,--the bad example— ! given by neighbouring countries, and from the misrepre aentetiene, that went forth, :and the false ideas that st ere entertained respecting what had passed in these countries, and from the want of knowledge here of the mischief brought on these countries by misfortunes which had oc cerred in the course of the last few months. The Noble Earl attributes them to us ; but I challenge hint to bey on what point he finieds his charge. With what• does he find fault?' How could we have acted otherwise than we did ? ' I chillenge him to come forwerd—let him bring his charge, arid I shall be ready to answer ite r -(Hear, hear.) I am aware of the distress, of the labouring poor ; but I want to know in what manner Government Can in terfere so as to procure a remedy for the condition of the poor? In what way could the last or even the present Administration remedy the administration of the Poor Laws, except by precepts such 'as those inculcated in the documents Which I have heard this night ridiculed, and by the example of each in his own particular station. Legislation on thin subject has gone as far us legis lation can go. Mischief arises front the real-adminis tration of the Poor Laws by persons who are beyond the controul of the Government of the country. I am aware, my Lords, that it has been whispered about that we were net sufficiently attentive to the disturbances when they first occurred. My Lords, from the first mo ment they occurred the greatest attention was paid to them by the Government. All possible means were adopted to enable the Magistrates to get rid of them. Government cannot interfere in the details of justice, which must be 'administered by the Magistrates. It is the business of Government to aid the Magistrates with coun sel, and with sufficient force (whenever force may be un fOrtunately necessary) ; but they cannot interfere in the details. I know, my Lords, that it is whispered by our enemies, that we did not sufficiently attend to the dis turbances in the country; but 1 do declare, that from the first moment I received an intimation of them from my Noble Friend, the Lord Lieutenant of Kent, (and I he. Heim the circumstances were mentioned to me before any other of his Majesty's servants), everything was done to get the better of them. The Noble Earl had been pleased to call for vengeance on us, He laid all the distress and disturbance of the country to our charge. „. Afterwards he refetred these calamities to the trial-administration of the last fifty years, which he seemed at least in part to charge upon my Noble and Learned Friend on the cross benches. He certainly has as much as Ito do with it.--.((Tear and a laugh.) Until the occurrence of the misfortunes abroad in the Months of July and August, all was tranquil here ; but since them misfortunes took place, and the lower classes here were taught to think they should follow the bad examples of neighbpuring nations, while they were not made aware of the evils which the people of these countries had brought on themselves, difficulties and dangers have existed, and have been increased. During our Admini stration, we did all we could to relieve the people. In the last Session three millions nine hundred thousand pounds' 'worth of taxation was taken off; and since the conuner cid and Manufacturing interests of the country generally were in a state of prosperity and tranquillity, except in those districts where there were gross and disgraceful dis turbances. My Lords, I have, ha consequence of the at tack of the Noble Earl, trespassed longer on your attention than I otherwise would have dune, or than I trust I shall again find necessary. The Earl of ELDON observed, that the great console tiou to him in his lung career was, that he had always beerropposed to the Noble Earl. Earl GREY said,. that' what:he! had to state might be put in a very small compass. He did not feel • himself called'npon to state hie opinions and views respecting the various subjects which had been introduced by the Noble eiol Learned Lord. He was. not prepared for it. He had tie reason to expect that the discussion would have taken such a 'course. He did not feel called upon to touch on subjects, each of which would require long and anxious consideration. He did not feel qualified at the moment to enter on the Corn Laws, or the novel proposition re specting machinery, whirls had been broached by a Noble ' Earl. He did nut think he could do so with honour to itimielf, or advantage to the country. He asbed the Noble Earl what he meant,by ancient machinery—was it a sprokessewaa it a plough—or did he mean to retain the rude implements of agriculture, and reject all improve ments? He objected to the Committee upon the grounds set forth by the Noble Earl. opposite (Radnor), and he thought the couree pursued that night fully demonstrated the inutility of a Committee such as was rauved for by the Noble and Learned Lord. To the Committee on the Poor Laws he had given his cheerful assent, feeling that inquiry might he useful, as it was likely to lead to the correction of that which was known to be a great evil, namely, the mal-administra tion of these laws ; and also of those defects which had to a certain extent perverted them front the benevolent purposes to which they had been directed. For the distress of the country he felt the moat acutely, as every man with a heart roust feel, although he believed it was 111111.111 exaggerated in the glowing description of the Noble Lord, and he thought that some practical result r e sp e cting it might be arrived at by the Committee pa the Puoc Laws. Therefore had he cousented to that Committee, concluding that the public distress would int medietely come under its consideration, and their attention be thus directed' to the consideration of the labouring por tion of the community. To that the attention of his Majesty's .Miiiieteis ought in the first instance to be ap plied, and if they can ascertain that, by any alteration of the !ewe, or by any modification of our institutions, or by any new enectincot, the relief of the present distress of that portion of the people, and the permanent ameliora tion of their condition can he effected, it would he their duty to submit suck Measures to the consideration of Parliament without delay.-,(klear, hear.) But be greatly doubted that any beneficial contrequenete woold result from the Committee proposed by the Noble and Learned Loral, It was true, as had been observed, that he had often sup ported applications for Committees; but in doing so he should always wish to observe the distinction laid down by a Noble land opposite, to whom he should return his sincere thanks for the kit,d dispoeition which he had ex pressed towards the Members of the present Administra., tion, In acquiescing to, and in opposing, a proposal for a Committee, he ehould„ of course, be greatly influenced by the object of the inquiry, by the time, and by the mode in which it wee apptitd for.—(Hear.)—lle was almost ashamed to repeat what had been already more than once objected, that it was impressible to see any way through the mass of subjects which the Noble Lord had introduced,— Find, there was the question of rents and the division of farms, Now ho (Earl Grey) did not know whether• it wait contemplated to interfere with the rights of pro. perty—(Hear).- r but whether such was the intention or not, all matters respeeting the amount of rents and the extent of farms are touch better regulated by -the indi• visuals who are immediately intereaterhe--(Dear.)—ln those, tot in most cease, the interference of the Legiele tore, in prescribing to individuals the mode in which they ire to regulate their own property, is roost like to produce a military effect to that which had been anticipated. He certainly did think that the mode in which dome taxes in thi s cou n t r y w ere inipaied—perhaes, in some measuie, the policy by which their impost had been directed—and, in minty instances, the nature of the tares themselves—de served deep coneideretion.—(llear, bear.) It might be expedient to inquire Whether, by the alteration of some, stud by t.flo removal, or by dinhoution of others, the coun try might rod derive great benefit. But he could not en ter into the multitudinous topics of the Noble and Learned Lord's speech. ithich bad been said of the great ease of the Administration. God knows! but—be would not say that his had writ an opinion of its ease. He should not have much nleeetion to the Noble and Learned Lord taking up %edit him to a room above stairs a few of the Noble Linde near hint, who wee f;lesirous of the Com mittee.—(Latighter.) Let it not be: sup ee:ad that he would shrink from the performance of his duty. Ile would as readily as any Miuister that had preceded him, come down there, And call On karliment for inquiry, when the intettera of the nation might reinjer it necessary, Should an cmergeocy require it, he would not InAiitete to upon any investiga4on, or to meet by special gislation art important occasion, ler which existing laws did tint provide.' With respect to the w i eetion of the cur rency, that had already been discussed in two or threw Guntnittees. That subject alone would furnish the Noble Lord quite work enough, without touching upon soy one of those noroorons mattcra which be proposer! to ineeeti. gate at the same time. Now he bad no hesitation in say ing, that there had been many unfortunate mistakes in the. interference of the Legislature with the currency of the kingdom. A Noble Lord had referred to something which he (Lord Grey) had said last year when preienting a petition. It was quite true that he did, on that occasion, or on some occasion, say that it was a strange anomaly to have the curt ency in Ireland and in Scotland regulated on one principle, whilst that of England was regulated upon another directly contrary. He would by no means say that he had since altered his opinion in that respect; but, however much he believed the late Government to have erred in the measures which they had adopted affecting the curreacy, still he should pause before he consented to en tertain any proposition for change. He believed that greet evil must be occasioned by creating any doubt upon that subject. There was great danger in exciting agitation respecting it, and that danger lie would not willingly consent to risk. As to the question of the Corn Laws, which the Noble and Learned Lord bad also introduced, he (Earl Grey) did not know that he had lunch to reply. All the interest which be possessed in the world was in land ; and, thouah he would not pretend to he exempt front the common frailties of human nature, yet, he had considered that question fully, and, he believed, disinterestedly and dispassionately. lie was entirely convinced that the ulti mate interest of the people themselves was, that the agri culture of die country should be protected ; became, with out such a protection, they (the people) could not be se cured in all seasons, a sufficient, a certain, and he would add, a cheap, supply. He believed that to be generally ac quiesced in—but few objected to it. He knew, indeed, that there were some persons who had the courage to re commend the entire abolition of the laws which regu lated the trade in corn ; but, for his part he had nut nerves to undertake so hazardous an experi ment, for he knew well that if it should fail, the evils which it would occasion could not be reme died. They would lead to the destruction of the coun try. Although such were his opinions, yet he was not so wedded to the Corn Laws, as to say, that if the subject were introduced at a proper season he would oppose the consideration of it ; but he must say, that no question of such a nature ought to be introduced in a lemon of great popular excitement. (Heir.) It was the opinion of many persons well acquainted with the subject, that the country had greatly benefited by those laws—that they had greatly promoted the improvement of its agriculture, and led to an increased supply of corn. But he had a second opinion respecting them, which was, that there can hardly be a greater evil than that the state of the law affect ing agricultural interests should be fluctuating, and sub ject to continual changes. (Hear, hear.) Repeated al terations produced evils which could not be compensated for by the benetfts expected from the improvement. He would repeat, that at a proper season he should not resist an inquiry into the subject; but at present, when the agita tion of the subject could not fail to be mischievous, be was unwilling to go into the inquiry on that ground aloes:, independently of his conviction that the Corn Laws had produced to the country not evil, but great good. But, there, again, such a field of discussion was opened by the introduction of that topic, that if the proposed Committee should apply themselves to the investiga lion of that alone, they would find ample employment for the whole Session, Now he would ask the Noble and Learned Lord opposite (Eldon), who was so great. au enemy to delay upon the present occasion, however friendly to it on others, did he expect to proceed promptly and vigorously by the means which he bad proposed ? Could he expect to gain with promptitude and speed by a Commission of Inquiry, the object which he professed to have in view? Could he bring before a Committee the numerous questions of which he had that evening spoken, in such a shape as to afford hope of a speedy determination ?—(Hear.)—Now, with respect to the complaint that capital could not find employment—that it consequently lay unproductive in the money chest of the capitalist, he would ask, was the as sertion consistent with other statements of the Noble and Learned Lord himself? The inconsistency lied been clearly explained by his Noble and Learned Friend on the Wooleack. Ile was sure the. Noble and Learned Lord opposite, who had made the complaint, was him self the last man hi the world who would, like the grasp ing and discontented usurer, hoard tip his gold under lucks and bolts, until the prospect of excessive gain should tempt him to release it. That time employment of capital was not now so productive as it bad been at some other periods wan quite true ; and he hoped that, before long; the renovated activity in other depertments of the national commerce would enable capital also to find employment. However, the fact that the rate of interest was then lower than it had bean at any former period, far freinaluming that capital was looked, completely proved the contrary. The lower rate of interest was occasioned by the greater liberality with which capital wits employed. Was it to be supposed that a Committee would come to a speedy de cision upon subjects so numerous, and in some respects so contradictory, as those comprehended in the speech of the Noble and Learned Lord, whose motion was before the House ? Although he (Earl Grey) would not (as he had said) object to inquiry when it could be entered upon with a prospect of advantage, but he believed that it bad been shown, not only by himself, but by other Noble Lords who preceded him, that the proposed inquiry offered no such prospect. The mode in which those various sub ' jeers; had been introduced, gave rise to great doubts and difficulties, and he was unable to follow the Noble Lord in so complicated a discussion..—( Hear, hear. )_lle (Earl Grey) knew, and be deeply regretted the evils which then afflicted the country. He allowed that, as bad been ob served by the Noble Duke opposite!, that occurrences which had taken place in other countries bud had some effect in aggravating those twilit, and had been taken advantage of by evil-disposed persons, to operate on the minds of the unthinking, or of the unhappy and discontented.---(Hear, hear.)—Of that he had no doubt. Yet Ire could not are how the propos, d Committee could lead to the discovery of a remedy, At all events, every purpose which the mo tion of the Noble and Learned Lord contemplated, would he much tunic readily attained by the Committee already appointed to investigate the inost important objects of the present motion. On the decision of that Committee he was disposed to wait; but, if in the mean time good grounds should he produces! for inquiry, which could afford a reason able hope of success, lie would be willing to cutter upon it. lint he would ask Noble Lorde whether, considering the cba racter and objects of the inquiry, did not the season at which it was proposed furnish in itself au insuperable ob jection to it? With respect to what had been said con eerning flee approaching adjournment, he would say that Noble Lords would not suspend the business of the House fur the sake of the usual relaxation of the season, if by continuing to attend in their places, they could promote the welfare of the State. But he 'Relieved, that to far from advancing the public good by sitting there in discus sions, of which the termination cool(' nut be foreseen, he believed that their protracted absence felon their respective districts would be injurious. In the present state of the country, nothing was more desirable than that persons of property and influence should as soon as possible beve an opportunity of promoting tranquillity in those parts of the country where they respectively possessed, in the first in stance, the power to repress disorder; and in the next, the influence to cultivate amongst the different classes, a better spirit than now unhappily seemed to prevail.— (Hear.) It should he borne in ntind, that the peace and tranquillity of the country required from the Illagistracy such vigorous measures as would effectually put an end to the outrageous proceedings by which some districts were disgraced. He had heard with concern the remake which had been made respecting circulars recently issued by see Noble Lard near him, as Secretary of State (Lord Mel bourne). The purpose of that letter was to encourage those Magistrates, who bad been active in the discharge of their duty, and to make known to those Magistrates who had allowed themselves to lie intimidated into compliance with exactions of the turbulent, that they enereassd the mischief by their weakness,--(Thar,) hassle had mint only themselves acquiesced in the violent dementia made upon them, hut had published advertisements recoin mending the discontinuance of machinery. such con duct, far from allaying the discontent, wee calculates! moat grievously to aggravate it.—(llear, (tear.) Li that, three keatlaineu hued acted quite giainconsistently,sltors not only with the duty of magistratea deriivii,nigice7:ll:dority from recognised laws, but with the wisdom of legislators, If the turbulent be told that clamour, v 4 tu mult would prevail over the lim a there would he for ever en end tai peacefld society amid to regular government. lie hoped that it would not he necessary to use the sword of the law (et which a N a m e Lord had spoken) further than for the punishment of those who instigated to outrage the simple and unthosigniog Ile hoped Out they would be brought to justice, and, at the antra thue, trusted diet every thing would be dune to remove Ow distress, which had brought many to that state of temper in which mis chievous men could act upon their minds. la the multi tude of toNtets which that discussion had end), aced, come had doubtleal eacepad his attention. Ile had said enough to inform the House of his oNsatiany to thus motion ; but in the situation in which he then :toad, and it, whiele be had been so recently placed, he would not oppose the general wish, should it he against Isis own opinion. It was eirerely his conviction, that if the Committee were grantee' it would produce nothing. A Noble Lord had said that their Lordships might net to place a blind contidenee in the Admiiiistration. Ministere dial not desire Node coofideuce, It Was acknowledged nu all hands that the present was a season of great difficulty. How that difficulty4fid been produced it was not for hits to say:: He was.-qrts4 more inclined to consider how evil. .could be remediisktbien' to isuftsire how they had arisen.— Aithsiugh he concurred in great pas t of the policy of the late Administrationalthough he wait indebted to them for carrying that tong delayed **more of justice and hu manity, which be believed - Would conduce to the security end prosperity of Ireland, was it his Wish to make invi dious reffeiCjions of-any kind? but it would be affectation not to state his belief that the difficulties (tithe present M inistry had resulted front the impolicy of former Govern ments through a long series of. years, from the beginning of the American war downwards—from the French He volution, and the war unjustly and unnecessarily incurred in consequence of that event. He had opposed all those measures in' Succession, as well as the policy in which they had originated. To them he ittlibuted nut only the immense taxation under which the country laboured, but a long train of evils besides. It was now unavailing to look hack. Ministers must assiduously apply themselves to devise and to put into practice an efficient remedy; and for that purpoie it was necessary that their Lordships should allow them to prosecute the subject with no snore interrup tion than the regular business of Parliament rendered un avoidable. Beyond that they would require no indulgence, nor claim any confidence.—(Hear.)—He bad stated to the House the principles on which the Government should be carried on. They did not expect to derive from the nation the necessary support in their proceedings, without proving by practical measures that they deserved its con& deuce.--( Loud cries of hear, hear. ) Lord TEYMIAM would Support the motion, and con sidered inquiry necessary; but be wished an amendment to be made, by striking out that part which contemplated the consideration of the Poor Laws. . _ On the question being put upon the otiginal motion, The Duke of NEWCASTLE said that as Ministers had taken upon themselves the responsibility of bringing forward effectual measures, there could he no necessity for the immediate sitting of a Committee of Inquiry. Should &Builders redeem their pledge, they would richly deserve the gratitude of the country. He thought the House ought to leave the matter in the hands of those whose proper. business it was. He would oppose the motion. Lard FIFE expressed his sympathy with the discontent which now pervaded the country. lied the Committee been proposed at the beginning of the Session he would not have objected to it. But he did. not think that the distress proceeded from any of the causes to which the Noble and Learned Mover had attributed it, and he did not believe that the inquiry then proposed would reach that cause. It seemed to him that there was mutual blame attaching to all parties; at all events the manufacturers blamed their masters, And the tenants their landlords; but this was with. out considering all the circumstances of the case. The general expectation, however, now seemed to be, that Par liamentary Reform would remedy matters, and place them on a better footing ; anti, for himself, he would say, that be considered the time was arrived when that measure could no longer be protracted. But it was said by some that the people of this country were not so liberal as they thought themselves to be; for it was found that whatever measure of Reform was proposed, it always met with op position, either from a Peer or other interested person, or ou the ground that the measure wasnot rightly under stood. At the present moment ther e app eare d t o b e every reason to apprehend danger from agitation, which, though it was fashionable, ought to be taken down; and , could only be so by a firm and temperate conduct on the part of their Lordship,' and the Government. With respect to retrenchment, he thought that without a con siderable change in the law—Civil and Criminal. —little benefit would arise, for every measure was, so entangled, and the interference of the law on all hands was such, that the best energies of the people could not be developed till the system was corrected, and fairer play was given. To one part of our law he was anxious to call the attention of Government,— that of arrest, fur debt which he considered a s t a i n u p on t h e nat i ona l cha - ' teeter. It rendered many persons desperate in their cis. cumstancee, and if duly examined, it would no doubt be found that it was as little for the benefit of the creditor as the debtor. In one part of our law a measure bad been introduced by the Noble and Learned Lord on the wool sack in which he cordially concurred. It was a plan by which litigation would be made cheaper, and justice would be brought near to every man's door. From the effect of such a mode of administering the law, he anticipated much good to the country. It would be well if, in any modifi cation of the criminal code, their Lordships would look to the state of the criminal law in Scotland, where it was much more mild than in this country, but where, never theless, it was found more efficient for the repression and punishment of crime. The attention of their Lordships would, he hoped, be directed not only to those points to which he had adverted, but also to the poor-laws, the corn-laws ; and even the question of tithes required their serious at tention, as also the laws of landlord and tenant, and any others by which the interests of the poorer classes might be affected. If conciliatory measures, founded upon a con sideration of these laws, with a view to their improve went, were adopted, he had no doubt it would restore peace and confidence to the country. The people were looking with confidence to the sincere disposition known to exist • in our excellent Monarch and his amiable Consort to en courage every measure which would tend to relieve their distrooes. As to the New Ministry, he would only say that if they pursued a moderate course, and make it their study to uphold the interest, the welfare, and the honour of the country, they would meet with deserved support. The country was possessed of great resources, which well. timed and temperate measures would call forth so as to enable her to meet and overcome all her difficulties. If any thing could fur a moment make him despair of the c , ndition of the country, it would be the knowledge of that malignant feeling which existed in some quarters—. only lie hoped amongst those who did not reflect—against a Noble Duke lately at the bead of his Majesty's Govern ment. Ile thought the Noble Duke deserved the thanks, instead of the hostility, of every portion of the country. The Noble Hail then concluded by passing a panegyric on the Duke of Wellington's talents for war, and lamented that people had not given him credit for the good inten tions that he had entertained towards the country. Ile, however, did not doubt that the Noble Duke felt a self satisfaction, which more than made up the dissatisfaction expressed by others; so that he might take to himself the words of the poet One self-approving hour whole years outweighs, Of stupid starers, and of loud huzzas ; • And Inure true joy Marceline exil'd feels, Than Caesar with a Senate at hie heels. The Duke of RICHMOND could not help saying a few words in reply to the Noble Earl (Stanhope), who had complained that the Committee on the Poor Laws had not taken the whole state of the poor into its con sideration. On that Committee he could assure the House that it was stated that it was the with of his Alajesty'a servants to have a lull, free, and fair inquiry instituted. It was true that one Noble Lord not connected with the Government, had objected to the introduction of the question of the currency, as they had enough to do with out that. Among the very first questions asked of the witnesses were—. Are the labouring elastics at the present moment in as good a condition as they were ten years ago ?" To which the answer was—" They are not ;" and then followed—. Then, what is the cause they are not?" Was not that, lie would ask their Lordships, an inquiry into the distresses of the labouring closes? He had felt the more anxious to make this statement, in reply to the assertions of the Noble Eatl, that their Lordships and the country might know the anxiety that there was in his Majesty's servants to sift the matter to the bottom. With respect to a Committee for Inquiry, it was known that last year, when he bad no confidence in the Govern-- ment......when they had a Government which actually denied the existence of the digress-41e bed moved .fur• one ; but his motion only was to inquire into the state of the country, as far as taxation affected the industry of the country ; and in his speech he particularly stated that he had no intention to disturb the Corn Laws, and no in.. tension to go into the Currency. Ile, theretbre, said that he was not in the present instance coiled on to vindicate his consistency. He challenged any one in or out of the House to give hint an opportunity of vindicating himself on that head, for he was quite willing to do so. Earl STAN [TOPE explained. The Earl of CAERNARVON said, that in hie opinion, if they went into the enquiry proposed by the Noble Lord, its only etfcct would be to prevent, and nut to forward any practical results. With respect to the Currency, lie mus t sa y, that he thought it worth considering how far they m i g ht introduce in this country the Charter Banks of &eland; for he was persuaded that by sa doing they would be bestowing the greatest boon ou the agricultural interests of England. lie would, however, leav e them matters in the hands of the Government, as he had great b olo , in their prudence and good determinations ; and he trusted that he shoo:id not be disappointed. He should g ive • hia decided negative to the m o t ion b e f ore the i r Lord. ships. Earl DARNLEY compleined that lie bad been mist., pretiented. Ile had admitted, last year, that distress di i ex i s t, but had stated that it was exaggerated ; and, indeed, 1, 0 doubted whether it had not been increased by the exag gerated statennfut that had been made. With respect to d m present motion, it Was too 'Midi de oninibeci rebus et qui/madam uliia, for it to be of any use in a practical of view ; and he should therenire vote against it. Lord CLIFFORD nlaserved, that it bad been stated that the probable improvement in our manufactures was owing to the troubles that had broken out in France; but the fact was, that the improvement- had commenced early in the spring, and had tegulatiirogressed to the time when those troubles broke out ; and int fir from the troubles alluded to having increased that prosperity, he rather thought that it had been:the means of checking trade, by somewhat checking credits As to thi distress of agriculture, there was hardly period of our history, when agriculture was not suffering, except it was at some time of great excitement. It had been found necessary to give it, at various periods, some species of protection, or hedge it round by some prohibitory laws. Part of the distress, we understood the Noble Earl to say, was caused by the measure for regulating the cur rency, which had enhanced the value of gold here and on the Continent., The Noble Earl expressed himself hostile to the motion, and &fended. his consistency in opposing the present motion, awl r in having opposed the motion of the Noble Duke (Richmond) last year. He was happy to see the talents of that .Noble Duke combined with the pre- Sent Administration, which Would need all the power it could collect to govern the otimatry in these critical, times. He was, however, satisfied with that Government, , and trusted it would be ably to overcome the great difficulties of its situation. • ' Lord WYNFORD .replied. He had been represented by the Noble Lord as having spoken against the Press, but he bad done no su c h thi ng ; w h a t h e had said was, that he regretted that so powerful an instrument u the public Press, which be admitted was now very ably conducted, should be conducted in such a way as to give currency to opinions which be considered as very injurious. But when he expressed that opinion he made no attack on the Press, any more than he made an attack 'on any of their Lordships when he com bated their. opinions. lie should be very sorry that any such statement should ge uncontradicted. He wished to reply to' the statement of the Noble Duke, fur whom he had a very high respect (Richmond), who had in quired why he had not been present at his motion for . a Committee last year. He was then attending the Mon nistration of justice in the House, and had not stre n gth to attend twice a day. It was asserted by the .Noble Duke that the inquiry now proposed was so extensive as to be quite beyond the bounds of possibility. He begged leave to .say, if;that were the case, -it was in the power of Noble Lords to narrow it ; and it might be limited, as had been suggested, to an inquiry into the causes of the distress of agriculture,- to. which he verily believed all other- distress might be attributed. The Noble Earl (Grey) said that he had brought forward a novel scheme of inquiry, and proposed to inquire into the abuse of ma chinery. But. if that were a novel scheme of inquiry, the merit of originating it did not belong to him. In the last Session of Parliament the' Noble Duke tileen at the bead 'of the Government stated that the effects of ma chinery were fit and proper subjects for inquiry. In the Speech from the Throne an inquiry was recommended, and it was stated that the effect of the use of steam-en gines and of machinery in throwing the labourer out of employment was then anticipated by the late Ministers. For his part be had said nothing against the use of ma chinery, but only against its abuse, and all things, even the most useful, were liable to abuse.. He had no wish to restrain invention, no wish to put fetters on the human in tellect ; but he considered that the interest of the labourers should be sacred is their Lordships' eyes. Such an inquiry might show the people their error, and prevent them from pursuing that course which had led to the present dis turbances.—(Hear.) The Noble Earl (Grey) had also accused him of wishing to do a more absurd thing —regulating anew all family settlements. But with all possible respect to the Noble Earl, he had never meant to do any thing so absurd, What he said had been borne out by the statement oldie Noble Earl above him, which was not to allow family settlements mad* in money of a diffe rent value (torn the present, and when rents were very dif ferent from what they are now—settlements, he must say, which gave opulence to the junior branches of families, while they ruined the elder branches. He was ready to give the Government all the support in his power, and whoever should now oppose it from factious motives, would be guilty of a crime of no small magnitude. God forbid that he should do that ! In justice to himself, he must stare the circumstances which gave occasion to his motion The Noble Earl at the• head of the Government stated that Ministers intended to apply themselves to the consideration of the distress. On hearing this, he determined, that before the Ministers were installed into their office, as the Noble Earl expressed it, - he would not bring for ward his motion, which he had long contemplated. He bud waited.till he had an opportunity of asking the Noble Earl whether he intended to do any thing, and tin derstanding.that the Noble Earl intended to do nothing, he then gave notice of hie motion fur a distant day, saying, that be hoped the Government or some more influential Peer would feel it his duty to bring the subject forward, and save him the trouble. The Noble Earl wished him to withdraw his motion before giving any reason for it.— To that he could not consent; awl if nothing more hail been said, he wool,/ have divided the 'House on the Opel -600, theugh he should have gone below the bar himself, He was persuaded that the strong arm of the law, firmly wielded, as he was sure it would be by the Noble Lord, the Secretary of State for the Hume Department, and assisted as he would be by the Alagistraey of the country, would be sufficient to put an end to the tumults which at present disgraced and troubled us ; but if the cause of wik t it o teEt s iwit e laetrhr t nit u el. m oi et u i rtotA l niE t ffiii s ltsaiyes w tetesohh a ,isouee s tnaltdN n teloi o aafond t dtbto. removed, vain, very vain would it be to cut off a few offenders —whose offences, he granted, n were great—but vain would it be to cut off those offenders if no measures were taken to remedy the distress. Now the Noble Lord had st,ited that it was the intention of his Majesty's itiopyeott. ostaleuwtt hands.e i h oiaL e itshoct,dv s hir e u draear b t nhw j , im e nai t ih • eluel t ei subject, confidedt tu been a slh i wso i uo d toiur euoul h p ndll surely h lt st e e hti b i lai E r a i tt l e a .. i d r t o l i d a l h ea be tter aj s a e l N d s i a pre l o i la i i ) n l e y :di t t li et e or mselves to consider the state of the country. The first opportunity he had had, he had stated that hie Majesty's Ministers would do so, and that he considered it nut less their interest than their duty. Did the Noble Lord think that they were so negligent or so ignorant of their duty as not to think their first attention ought to be directed to the must serious evils that ever a Ministry had to encounter ? Lord WYNFORD agreed that the Noble Earl bad made diet explanation. The Earl of ROSSLYN wished, in the. absence of the Noble Duke (Wellington), to correct a misrepresentation of the Noble Lord with regard to what had fallen from that Noble Duke in a former Session of Parliament. He did not wish it to go forth to the public that the , Noble Duke, then at the head of his 111.1jesty's, Government, bad said that he was satisfied that machinery was productive of mischief and tended to impoverish the people. He was sure that the Noble Duke never said any such thing, or anything like it. lie was sure that his Majesty's Mi. nisters were not of opinion that machinery was the cause of the distress, or produced any want of employment. Lord WYNFORD certainly had understood the Noble Duke to say, that, the influence of machinery in depriving the manual labourer of employment was a subject worthy of being inquired into, and was a subject beyond the con troul of the Legislature. The Duke of RICHMOND wished to correct another mis-atatement of the Noble Lord. 11, had raid that' a: Noble Earl not then in his place (Roseberry) had attri buted all the alisturhance to the education of the people. Nobody said 40—n °bud y would dare to say so. What the Noble Earl said was, he believed, that it was more im perative on their Lordships than ever to show some sym pathy for the distresses of the people, for their better edu cation made them more alive than formerly to sympathy or to neglect. The motion was then negatived without a division, and their Lordships adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, Dm 9, A Member took the oaths and his seat. NEW WRIT. On the motion of Mr. I'LawTA, a new writ was ordered for the borough of St. Germain's, in the room el the Right Hon: Sir H. Hardinge, who has accepted the Chiltern Hundreds. Mr. BUCK presented petitions from Bideford and Exeter praying fur the abolition of the duty on sea-borne coals. The lion. Member hoped that Government would give some pledge of their intention to reduce, or take off altogether this oppressive tax. Mr. O'CONNELL presented several petitions ftom Ire land complaining of distress, and against the Sub.-letting Act. Mr. O'CONNELL then presented several petitions praying for Parliamentary Reform. The Marquis of BLANDFORD, in supporting the pe tition, considered the recent declarations of the Nobleman at the head of his Majesty's Government to be inconsistent with the statement which he bad made in that Ii iuse in 1793. In the present state of the country the question of Reform was of too great importance to admit of delay. 'lime Postponement of that measure was most dangerous. If the Government would come forward with any efficient measure of Reform, they should have his support, which he ) e r hoped they would give him an opportunity to reti ikr. Recent occurrent:es in two boroughs, of which he had heard with indignation and tegret, satisfied !dui (u, that the ball o t tea ,we under s tood tile Noble Lor‘l) „ . pensable On'the Tuesday' for width' a Laiiied i f trde then :Member of that House, bad Alied a ',tuition on the sahj.ict of Reform, be came down determined to give that tat= his bumble support. Sir .1 MACKIN fOSII took the oaths and bi* osithr Knaresborow , h, (PCONNELL presented a petition from ilatkene painter. of Dublin, praying for a repeal , of tbo)14 11 ” Lttive Union ; and alaweight other petitions tramples. in Ireland to the same effect.. CORK ELECTION. Mr. CALCRAFT brought up the repos of tho mittee on this election, which declared the Sittiur *Wm' Daniel Canaria, Esq., duly elected to serre ioPtulianlnt fur that city. abet' pOisians Mr. O'CONNELL, on presenting three • . in fsvour of Reform, t o o ug h h . t o tta ,co. he aa re a p u T il e ad nteti l l in h p in: b t t h he e n a l i se se yd; l v v aeh es ysts pw b befro r o i upo ng oirdsee4 fo rtai r ilenn si gy •ar vf I, I d ji i c: inward thea ti ao hlh sa t e e Cuhat t ,a ll , l‘ me t on. f i :l: itob r e ip e rs h . w. :4 4: oo l o l n nu i ::l l l l4l :: lit io w°. l . o. :: t l i d l et ! d til a r te t w ! thatsupportt) should 1 1 l 1 tte di mode o, uld thew give notice,, that, if they did' notvoiianar painlinoeudrreut "h t d l;e init t e" Y i t lnle.Y o niv' tli acb e ltucat u hr t ilva: m ght u ei s 9cr t i:v . e"w o r : .trul h ielt i adi s irlYbi a ne b rt i tcale l P i r tY cs"e4, " l444ll44.'ci:l:ll : .;P. 't , ..rok d y l d i t e ehtiaoi l en o f n rivt e ti e oat r otinse d og e f l o a ntf y h.o e eLu ri slod b rod y bboel. G e o oL v Dpo e py r roo n 3n m ewod e h n i:b t ,es , y)l h i: e t:iin i iiy: i tstO siiiniu b tken ri .bs itil oot, his motion and divide the House, if he had no adtte v t at w ed as a unnatural that the money of the 'people, should be Hated way in a House the majority of whit* was netei• o b pp a rea l i l ti o ei t oni ve la u tagate i i t nos p ft os itl s hl i gese b y le ocate to ubayt p r r i e e v a er an t a h a b e d, neoamaiiisiatiootalwinnothe, b A w y r a is t t e t h oc r 7 o r r acy d w h o h a v d o er n d o rli r i e r :v h o t te: of rn atillisetaptpthlee; i nfluence • ' °l''. th : thealdl : td i h r oen ß R. 0 1, n V A ' . I n L ityi S epe O mr N beso , ::_t w tho i i t hi h eaher m hh u iad c m h : war ikt:iivou m at t li ' am delel : 00 0 4 1 thi l l: w he ou laa n t o l t ie be on d ly ic h ta o t n e e:t to M b e y mber in tbatilottie• Ik eda " that House as to the opinion h h l i m irV ili felna lltbe i gleil:l::l7::: impeller of voting by ballot. . '. ' e to be lost in bringing tide ',impatient ineassuirblfll* he o coli n benrAMsr t ifit h orrdeil a r t raßCWot e Ußifoa v ETte e tha n SrHe i foS n oVfs E dEthTt w ::: i l l ti h trP:aiduis a :7Llit u C6bi ld bnathainladli er lilikien a t'el. : th io hliii:ui ; haTc:hi w ilhalitintatich(ll:::'reeselm°::ll:4l"-lioilin:1:14:::1:/dbillini::::: him honour to observe more generally both in that Boom and in Ireland.—(Hear.) He was earl see ] Um °I" misapply the great talents which be was v. 1.1001 t° Potaela; but he (Mr. Ruthven) rose of Opinioar , lttt n that evening an unbecoming violence had hEls ei 1 _ . ..,17 t ,', in the reply which had been a few minutelelt ' - some remarks of that Hun. and I..ternedrjr -- 1, t '-.. (Rear.) No man in that House differed g.ne" ''''''' bill be did from soine of the opinions of the. Member:l the' 1 1( In' Waterford. But still he would say, that ht to Learned Gentleman had not said asythingwhich" r fi e be considered offensive.—(Sir R. Wilson,: Be ~.., ,„„ - ‘ ,14 (Mr. Ruthven) did not hear a word front boat tg*L 7-- „ il offend any man ; but he did hear a violent Seem ..,. p„}l Hon. and Gallant Member, which seemed tohiot (rars.r quite uncalled for.—(Cheers, and hear ) The Bea. . Gallant Member had made up his mind, with suflicia, o° : cision respecting the ballet ,• and to him C. 1t.)„,,,..i,, 0 1 matter of surprise the Gallant General 0 0 ,"Pr i g h .' 7 hie mind ou a subject of great importa nce ,tO- ,7 , o th ot tuents, which had been a few evening s since 0„,.. ' that House—he meant the Civil List...-. .( 04 0) ~,, - 'l' would not have it imagined 'that he doubted the bon,. th ose gentlemen, who, now sitting opposite, bed / support of the late Administration. He was 'are: , their motives were honourable, and . that they -will ~. r ut ; erieutiotoly.—(llettr.) He wished ,Men who b . ,0" .. .7i, to perform to those who sent them into that tlOoPo."" come forward and vote as they thought right on llotit% portant questions—(Hear) —and be bad no doubt Gallant Member would explain, to t he satisfaction,aLL const i tuen ts, why, on the discussiosi of the Civil hi had not done so. Although he thought thst , the 'Or; would afford to voters a protection,of which they 00 0 ° ~ need, yet be was prepare d to confide in the present Om!. stens and he doubted not that they would reticent. 110 pledge on the subject of Reform. I. v Mr. I'RYSE supported the pe!itlon. per treat> e arl : tliwarn.bh Gallant hi ' do C esbn l e. Nc:rialEl,lb 0 te L d L denied aw s h s : o v u tcji l bi : I da u,lipo t annt erd i , i it:iibbsi:tlydrteilicoorte!pel:doretisedif:a:Piltey:ol: Ceyspohpf:a::::::p;60:01 dishonourable7--(Hear, -n : wPrild : ase n d i Shigtel. dbl l 't ! ..'ole f ita t illi °ir e el.t ; d::tellgil:::talealaLefl::"l:4-:°:111:::billilr highest character iu the country defendedauch i tal . 7_ iturnollhilintesee.ptenEdGht.airleiagiplinbaaNisorl.eittiltl:ofaef:tetliwhiNinhveaabrisatualvarmrsie:stieitlitaiecutheciotrissibilbaiciyeegy,a,petataeiantoele.icnehiseiah cunjoircsirt.iaistinisw,itlgitederihiirtii.abbnilss;tbucsoioutpireasil d would put it out of the power of any man to Ga y` tradesmau, in soliciting his vote, " Miles. you votf . ,Aff . • 4o4 you shall lose the custom of 20 families?" W.°, 11 ..",i0, English because it would at once remove the crotttn r s, hitiuus landlord from the tsumtation top uoirh tba, eir w hi o of the voter for the honesty of their father. 1 0 4 dl, gr. families homeless ripen the world ?..-(llear ' 'L., kie O'Connell) need not boast of what lie hail dooeft be country. lie would let his acts speak for him. 1 .1 11 L4 would say, that when the lion. and Gallen ru_gair, should have done fur his country as much good be vest bin O'Connell) had dune fur Ireland, lw would listr is ;',A taunts without displeaslicar hear.)-..0000 01 anything which could reasonably ;and' ha •w ° wit . The petition was then kid on the table . 10 4 t oe tt o mii n ooee e nnst f rin t ri o rog i n n : at Ayrshir e, the y t r h a l e i i r R e , 0 pi Rotunda, Il e d s s e n , t ed ß 1 a b c y i f l 1 r a . s. 0: Co s pe 5: 11 ..70, 1 ' t ' poi.. :..0 .6° furg trx iw Th n efr i p t cd i l ati t . e r ' hi g s,.o l u Y O l ifGin l r : C d p e ih., n ti w O e cr u aa iw N bs c y l l ihtuN,Rnb Sub - let ti ng n ' then same subject from two Societies ,if Friona !",•,-,',, (rocs plates e G G entleme n the lei n ehriecoif, countiesu tf ranc his e tthi time 4 0 : ill,ri l tif V : ° :: : 0 1 1;, itiw.os ' v i 0:49gt.;r0 for 0 1 : : : : fr o o f m th P e llw ele " ct i i n ve t ip : Pe n z riga t n t s e y i l t i iil i rn s i o eco l g in l t' lr E s a n ftot ll tellrin U irttied C i oi T fnuNa ll eroci O tgi nl i fi l l i o N ed eLtu rt r G h t : B O ia e al oo lu y a F i w if i i a p, ), ia i n aur n teh: e ‘ w s la n : w : l 7 : l i 1 n s E : : : I oe l f S ' i i ,li n b tri l it: eihY i. I t : . I ieeillog:;4l. r ak ed 1 j spr ieC :o:o l:. oli ii i k ' U t i o.fi r it 00 ;1 : 1 I 1 i vt -; 1 i ell r: S ir:ve : II stood"sei 0 . . i; 6 a iti . i ' li ' st P : . - in I P ;: ipe6rntimh beenbr so st e t g h tii i et f i Gi in r b uti aY inurn l , l at Ol e idetr r i ' r a ut y , G uhu d ic . r e t de o a: had a t a : al ' .r d k oe Nl y. tiviirlsei time, ralfidAtaidiHt observation', JI, NI ai o ic i f tu n .w : ge r :', 4 ' fns '4 ,, h ,,mo l l ) : :: b bi lLi b 0 4 : - ' , I: i , p 11 , - : : y ste re d la t t h in e g :o'Bllueine: ofildoi,lio,ti°oorkr,l6ollposopidet.,_•ol.l° laxly asked for its patience, as it y %In ao ll ),.... r lit h . ::1 that had been carried on by I ' ‘l ,;„ e preo l l that House, w ho, h e h o p e d, was "I f. - 001 and would stand up manfully and avow birn d ;ce, —lf it had been an ambiguous correspon wily . 0„, from which paragraphs had found :bl w o atil the newspapers, he would nut for a Ersoole nt t o.hir it, but when he was prepared to prove at 0 ro e that House, that the correspondence was a aearot 'orattiV°l dente of one of its Members, and that its allege', l e calculated seriously to injure him, be ba'i ~ gifo ° , to stan his plare ia Pisilistnent t°;',4 sarfr himself, The m Member to whom he alluded 1./ A 00 that his (Mr. O'Gorman Mahon's) conduct Puortire guided by the power, and eons oil, a nd f !, (lls ter k t fluent, of the late Administration. VlWer ._l, to, charge was it not fit that lie should set himself rietsetat, the House? lie hail no other means of doing rt „.. 5 by entering into a war with the Eilitoea °,, 0 , 1 0 different newepapers.—(A laugh.) Ile, ther' ° _„te .t° up in his place, and called upon his a0.',4 0 0 come forward arid avow himself. He hoped the P; 0 10 heard his challenge ; he did not mean any thigo, 0; 1 1 liamentary, but lie ought to rise up in that' °r re isi . vindicate the as sertions h e bail s uede...4 l. - " Name, t ame.") St Mr. O'GORMAN MAIION--That it wh at '.1: , 0", Mr. WARBURTON must rise to sailer. Pdole%, shined the course pursued by the Honotsreblv?,..l' quite out of order, as the circunuttances to whi • luded took place out of dome. I 6/4" Mr. O'GORMAN MAHON—Pie was 0 01 1, $ . 1 , 1 :0 ° to what took place out of doors, and felt 0 0 ° 11 '" 1 1 00' his calumniator dare not now taunt him w t ' od er , under Treasury influence. He would now take ti!,:otsl trinity, as it was the first that had offered iteelf, ol' ij e ; '0.4' 1 his thinks to the late Administration fa t 0 ,0 114 thl hid bestowed uu Ireland by glautioK