The Sun. — London, England, 1833-04-24 00:00:00

t r i clure h ad been drawn by the Hun. Member for ildharn of th e distress ofthatdistrict. He would admit, • r°Jatitd7as.impo.ssible to deny, that such distress existed in 'strict, in consequence of the effect which the etree,,,hs the hand-loom leavers. °For;fierr y achinery had had on a hand-loom weaver was , genefally a elep end d He lived at a distance front the to.vn, and he r e e- 'lly for part of his living on his loom ; but the ()meet m ach . was in roduced, he totild not pinery, on a large scale, tha t h acropete with it ; and the consequence . w l as, he t , r e first li id to apply himself more severely to his a ceived°aProeure the same wages which he formerly 7- had h e "he was then obliged to neglect his I ind, which ec) , en th f , r z ` aert Peel) Was, principal source of his support. He (Sir therefore willing to admit that distress bee n gre at extent existed in those districts where there had uvatillmanv. hand-looons weavers; but it was absur N il , to i the„ d ",, t the whole country was therefore distressed. - e t err I he admit that it ,vas in so bad a state as had been lett t e - r i t the Hon. Member for Oldham. He had seen a e tc, . 1 a the e daily Papers, signed by an elector of Oldham, ti ot oretibsd himself as well aequainted with the situa the et a tha t Place, and he gave a very different account of ssy di, t rr al trade ' and the rate of wages. He attributed fail ure NI that existed there, in some measure, to the l the r ate cif one of their banks in 1823, but said that still te tt til Of wages was good. The Right Hon. Gent en tichs i r d a went into a detail of the state of wages i Wages Coventry, and Birmingham, to show that the Pe esed ' tile midland counties of England were notde- 9 P eat' l 'roin which it appeared that the rate of w i t! . etroPeetsrs at Birmingham, was about 3s-6d. per ta? tad p:;% 4 d. to 3. 6d. ; labourers, 2s. 21 to 25..6i . ; 'kali -nte " 3 s. 6d.' to as. These (after deducting he a ta ten tl ian for carpenters' and masons' tools) were to d. tatte%the average rates of wages in the midland dis c :.'w he said that with such wages labourers h l i t e t iatl o tv '' o s u h p far an change, for they would find that the (e lk a u raise the prices of the articles . which they t rL f th,ireurtauch quicker than it would raise . the wages -se •abour.--(L d cheers.) He considered this , filat tla th 4 _ t itaPortant pa ( i ).' t i of the qustion, and be consideree tl atts' c'insomption of hops, tea, coffee, and sugar, show ,d ed , °I th e ' j ab iuring classes bad now obtained greater comnend iff the e'e"ssaries of life than they had before ; a the s e Were convinced of that, he called upon them, as r th e P r eeent at i 'Me et r , ves of the people, to . reflect well before th, cur,. neir sanction to a measure which, by depreciating 4tl essir te Y , would decrease their command of the nece!. °4 tle de ' It Was singular also, that no two men agreed bt is tn '' question and while there were so many dou s n , tp , 1 1°Y coniiiqing o inions, was it worth while to ope til' e'a'ner ° f difficulties by an inquiry into the state of d 1 1 , ; t c ' ll a i, otr y ? The Hon. Member for Wnitehaven— of a h n is las po.ec rl him for it—had not said anything more of by 4 '" les s , tem edies, than, as that the evils were into. d He 'ad th at system, he wished that inquired ate 'Pope] a• had' tl itt „ adon increased ' s led • ` u e standard had not increased. He, therefore, ~'''/' se,btt eatended. The Hon. Gentleman might as well I. l` , sv' er ' ed 4 als have been made, new countries have been e e had ~,,' tld yet the mile and the yard remain the same. had -- " : ea of an antiquated standard. He might as . tl ,la ti a b , ve t alked of an antiquated pound. The Hon. Gen `,ast ' t 6"" Mistaken when he said the monetary system was tea lhe e Z e ae the atandard was old. Every improvement tet Ise o f nronev—every expedient adopted at the at s '44, which economized the use of money, was, 4 % i 4t ai aa increase of its quantity. To say we could 4red Have a v arying - currency, because we had a 4lat e "'adard, tantamountee,te en° 'tand l i 'llb er h. ard at all.—(Heir, hear.) The Hon. e' .4 os t a 4 condemned the present system, but he e ' l lt s 'wa to the House what remedy he proposed. d i; 4 i e-- ;'', e the Hon Member for Oldham, who he . hope i',otkw's,Place (we believe Mr. Cobbett was not in the a t t tal ' agreed with the Hos. Aleneber in li . Is motion, 'la t h,' a"Y differed f 11 . as to the principle of the re 1. „ el, rom im hate so ei ," sr had he heard a speech which disappointed t t ra, ts a ab as the speech of the Hon. Member for Old 'late ' l e said he was particularly entitled to address the Sh e ' ause he had studied the subject ; nay more, no I ' L a v 'tel Wade in the House which the Hon. Member i' l ,al ' h t e ciai tn as his own.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Si'llil t 0 - 'aid. had made a clever speech, but be had copied , a m 4 4 41 h im' in that respect, the Hon.Memkper for o,d -sr!trebed-aered from him, and, he believed, from all the other r "s a r t a ; for he had not yet beard anything fall from the ',is,. ale' Which he envied, or which he was desnous t4tir°Priating to himself.—(Laughter.) In his speech, ti °s. Q4 ' Member had not infringed on the currency que b s- Hoe' at 'cl an ingenious young Member, it ,titreney clueBti"who came into I tt , th e : e while the Hon. Member was speaking, asked, %,„ I ''"ing the navy then,. over ? for the Hon. Member estimates."—(Laughter.) On the 4tglte question on Y which the Hon.. Member was to all l it t n the whole world, he had not said one word .h ; and Par ed ' f 'atl done was to produce his notes of a epees, "tetitit, th e the navy estimates.—(Hear, hear.) He would p Z i4 's t- : ; 11 ° 0 . Member said, to gold—he would have the Ntgh„-°'ass-there was something so amiable in Royalty, be pl'ot'a_ust see the coin—he would have none of the rot ir Q,,," money —and yet he consented to go into .11 . ra ee rn , i , tt ees But what was the remedy of the vsal G i a""etnan ? Wbv he proposed to cut down , the . `tt le es of" the country to the scale of 1 s 92. tQa q t ty -e i r H an. Member would have the dignity of the ktt c 't h e -- k e P t u p' France must be kept in check. Spain 4111 . kept in awe; and how was this power to be of at t li 4 e i t . 44 , . 1 why, without any reference to the power tha tir ", r .ta, by the establishments Of 1792. What Th e 1/ ' t y l What would lie do with the Cape o 't 1-1,,,q* ? What would he do with the Mauritius ? .4Pled; Gsntleman desctibed the war as one of unex i t ait i "as, and yet he complained that the number o b ltk ial et 4- ,.! ' v at not tbe same as at its commencement. It IL 4t hs , almo st an insult to the House to show that it could I de e , :' The Right HOD. Baronet then referred to 'Nal t4a nt opinions of the Hon. Member for liosres- Ns'•(Mrs Richards), d ) who would have paper money ztei,ta bars of" lar l ' s , f NVolverhampton, who would rt al t ,,' the h urden ge t ° ll ; or on the land ; of the North a tel i s' bar Yorkshisre r W i l r i v : would have a rise of prices; P q r • t '' ra 'ingha m ' who, if he adhered to the plan .pro -551,1 1- r 1 8 ,1 7, would have * an unlimited depreciation ; ta i i . , : d 4f v e te r , - , ‘ ,"_,Vin referred to these Hon. Members, he q 4 s'ala tbe g y send . these gentlemen into the Com t, fi ts 'it ti e ad a practical reme . dy for the distress ? tbi tl ,„ . ''ea When a patient was in a dangerous state t i g a lt ‘ t i e j rt ' i to bring physicians to consult on his case to Ro fr of decidedly opposite opinions ? Was Sangrade 1 r lee rrei °l a Oldham and Luchille from Birmingham 4'itht over the dying patient.—(Hear, and laughte t r .; ) , ''',' l (liti n he laughable to suppose, but what must he l i ''tg e -t li at the country in the mean time ? They . were ; 14 ill ' i h e , t° appoint a Committee to adjust the details of ; i PPoi tt e , - .'" on which they agreed ; but, while they were ' 4 (4 ' ln t such a Committee to inquire into the causes of e, str e , 4. .4 t o .4 s the whole country would know that the object ' the "ePreciate the standard of value. And what would s r ae,,,er), ateeuence of that ? Nobody would buy an estate : a re o r i ng else. If every man who had a sovereign . was losi d tetting twenty-two shillings for it in a short time, 44 q ki t he take care of his sovereign? Be assured, an ISPotiedePreciation .could not . take place, except . by some 'qv Power, which carried it into effect, while every t „ta , : . , t 'ee p ', - in ignorance of its intentions.. To notify a I,:r p',- in was to cause inevitable ruin. Debtors, d -a 'as d b?- ase benefit the scheme was proposed, would be Th " i ht . 1 : the creditors would exact their debts. T hose 1 4 41 i ar lbee n contracted in wad ; and, dreading the 11- °,t414.t-'41,, in n aper, they would hasten to demand them in t , 11,1 s i 'quit i' y - and justice would be on their side as well t . ,, ° alrl i a -° : i they would recover their debts, and debtors ' h sa ' l ll - 7ained. Whet, too, would be the result of a t Role me rcand on the banks? The deposits were . made ,;, ° sl t s ;,,tbe depositors dreading the coming depreciation, 1, - ' 1 b :" t end back ' their gold, and the banks would " e otta'ainea,..- Heer, hear hear.) No money would Ike,. aced • 00 ( __ e . no theretempt mortgag ~ man could sell his Dr l' t to-i Would be no specul& ion—and the at k ~kttt d • ethe t, qePreciat currency through the means of a ts: i 'q 0 4 aln_quiry would he . tbe greatest curse ever in let ace e. •"untry. He believed that . part of the distress let i't't4 ad '' e, " ; d by the political excitement, which had ehi t ,, t bki v - "'"Y commercial undertakings. There were The Bank N 5 , er I,;44great questions in suspense. aioo aesetrrea,ndecided, the East India Company's charter dam:" tcei ttit u l a nd with all these great questions, if the stead th eor ' 0 suspend all other business by propagating bes' °I cm !he standard of value ; if they ineant, i a n . - , hettte4e toanng the people, to give the suspension of farl elos e t p \v , eoltitihenl as a remedy for political agitation, an Coe ) ieir t i t he for them to terminate their labours thed t o 4 . 4l itt ee t tit be for ever. Rather than appoint better th e ll‘Olve th° alter the currency, it would be far r of ti Praceedin'taaelves.--( Hear, hear.) The impo "ey .o3. theire ,as r eoa was as clear as its injustice, and its in of of eoestito m anifest. If they had the interes t hen tleh abao - e ettt° St heart —if they considered the effects - he ~,,°e . on the condition of the labouring classes, R ee 4l'e s , their -,,,14 implore the Members before they reor t i vote Prop, • ! I g th e ' to weigh well the consequences of but if tet tot to (lnestion. It was mixed up with a plausible . t he d . ti4 Y Iverelequire into the distress of the country .t; of th itt reis 1, convinced, as he was, that this inquiry i real ci t , rvloo wouldaPosed merely to swell the numbers l s eal was vote for the Committee, while the th_% l7o , 1, 2 h _ to effect an alteration in the monetary sir d uty t: disregard assert respectfully, but firmly, it w as . V the plausibility of the question, and I only contemplate the ruinous consequences which must inevitably result from its being supposed in the country that an alteration was to be effacted in the monetary sys tem by means of an inquiry into the distress of the coun t, v. " They owed"—it had been said by that great man, Mr. Burke, whose writings were the most consistent,and enlightened by the purest intentions, of all his contempo. varies —who, of all other men, past or present, took a more comprehensive view of the relation of the governors to the governed, who saw the progress of things with a clearer vision than any man since Lord Mean, and who had laid down the doctrines in a most enlightened man ner which ought to regulate the respective duties of repre sentatives and electors—" they were hound," it had been said, '' to sacrifice their repose to them, but not their de liberate judgm-nt. They were hound not to defer to the wishes of the constituents, if they, in their deliberate judgment, thought gratifying those wishes would injure the people themselves." Why, he asked, were they placed upon the mountain tr-p, if it were not that they might take an enlarged view of all those interests of society, Ns hich lay hid from those who were at its base, and might pry into the future further than other men?—(Hear, hear.) Theirs was no hied agency; they were not to defer to the will of their con stituents, when that will was opposed to their own better jwigment. They might depend upon it, that if they acted upon their judgment, and resisted going into the Committee, which might be likely to unsettle the cur rency—depend upon it, though they might suffer from that in some instance-, though he did not believe they would, if they rejected the plausibility of the motion, their constituents would do them justice. All he could say was, that if they were called upon to mike the sacrifice, it would re.lound to their future pe ice to be enabled to say that they had deliberated well and given a wel!- weighed opinion. In the language of the immortal man he had already referred to, they might say—" I wish to be a Member of Parliament to have my share of doing good and resisting evil. I deceive myself, indeed, most ' grossly, if I had not much rather pass the remainder of my life hidden in the recesses of the deepest obscurity, feeding my mind even with the visions and imaginations of such things, than to be placed on the most splendid throne." His constituents demanded sacrifices of that great man—he had resisted the American war—he had pleaded for the amendment of the criminal code—but in one thing he would not; and let them now, after the lapse of so many years, contrast his conduct with that of others, and say which tile) , most admired, and which their countrymen would say was most worthy of praise. That great man further said, that among his many reflections, he could not reproach himself with having neglected his duty, by acting on his own deliberate judgment of what was most consistent with their perma nent interest; adding, " in every accident which may happen through life—in pain, in sorrow, in depression and distress—l will call to mind this consolation, and be comforted." So he said to them, that if they sacrificed the confidence of their constituents, they would be con soled by reflecting, with conscious satisfaction, that they had done their duty. They might depend upon it, that whatever sasrifices they might impose on them selves in doing justice to all, their constituents would in the end do justice to their motives; and as they acted from the purest motives, and fulfilled their real duties of representatives, there would not be wanting those who would always choose them to protect their permanent in terests.—(The Right Hon. Baronet sat down amidst loud cheers.) Colonel TORRENS rose amidst loud calls of " Ques tion," "Divide," and " Withdraw ;" and moved an adjournment of the debate. Lord ALTHORP put it to the Members, whether, after so many Hon. Members had spoken, it was desirable further to adjourn th• debate.—(Great cries of " Go on," and " Divide.") Mr. M. ATTWOOD thought the debate could not close to-night. Mr. ROBINSON wished to address the House at some length, and co did other Hon. Members, and he was for an adjournment. —( Calls o I "Go on,""Divide," "Withdraw.") Colonel TORRENS persisted in his motion for an ad journment of the debate, and the gallery was cleared for a division. - The House then divided— Against the adjournment For the adjournment_ 9B Majority against the adjournment _ _ _ O❑ re •entering the gallery, we found Colonel TORRENS addressing the House. Lord ALTHORP observed, that he was anxious that the debate should terminate tomorrow ; and it was ulti mately agreed that the discussion should be resumed this day, on the understanding that it was to terminate the same day. After disposing of the other orders of the day, the House adjourned at three o'clock SOCIETY OF ANTIQUARIES OF LONDON Yesterday being St. George's Day, the Society of An tiquaries met at their apartments in Somerset-place, in pursuance of their statutes and charter of incorporation, to elect a President, Council, and Officers of the Society for the year ensuing, whereupon, George. Earl of Aberdeen. J. Gage, Esq. H. R. H. the Duke of Sussex. H. Gurney, Esq. J. Amyot, Esq. H. Hallam, Esq. N. Carlisle, Esq. W. R. Hamilton, Esq. C. P. Cooper, Esq. Right Hon. C. W, W, Wynn. Sir H. Ellis, Knt. eleven of the Council, were re-chosen of the New Council, amid C. R. Cockerell, Esq. Sir F. Madden, Knt. Rev. J. B. Deane. J. H. Harkland, Esq. I). Gilbert, Esq. Right Hon. Sir R. Peel, Bart. It. Lemon, Esq. Sir T. Phillips, Bart. E. Lord Bishop of Llandaff. C. G. Young, Esq. tea of the other Members of the Society, were chosen of the New Council, and they were severally declared to be the Council for the year ensuing ; and, on a report made of the officers of the Society, it appeared that George, Earl of Aberdeen, K.T.,was elected President. Thoma► Amyot, Esq., Treasurer. John Gage, Esq., Director. Nicholas Carlisle, Esq., Secretary. Sir Henry Ellis, Knt., Secretary. The Society afterwards dined together at the Free Mason's Tavern, Great Queen-street, according to an nual custom. SPIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS. Mr. M. Attwood is evidently much chagrined that the only intelligible construction which his speech and motion admit of, was put upon it by Lord Althorp. In truth, if Mr. M. Attwood did not aim at depreciation, he aimed at nothing. The whole burden of his speech was, that the country was in great distress ; that that distress was caused by the adoption of a metallic stan dard, and the consequence is obvious, that, by departing from the standard alone can the dis tress be relieved. Last night, however, on Sir Henry Willoughby moving the order of the day for resuming the adjourned debate, Lord Althorp offered an explanation of an expression used by him on Monday night, that, as an ho nest man, he could not consent to the motion, with a view of obviating the inference that he meant to imply by it, that Mr.M. Attwood was a dishonest man. This was all very fair and proper in his Lordship ; for different men have different standards of honesty, and it does not follow, that because lie considers depreciation dishonesty, an other man would not consider it equity. In fact with many persons, convenient, equitable, and honest are taken as synonymes. However, Mr. M. Att wood availed himself of the Noble Lord's expla nation to make a speech which it would puzzle all the reconciliatory critics of Germany (for in that country there is a class of critics who would prove to you that the difference between an Atheist and an orthodox Trinitarian is only ap parent) to reconcile with the drift of his speech on Monday night : " The Noble Lord's arguments (said Mr. M. Attwood) were all directed against depreciation, which the Noble Lord used as if he had proposed depreciation. He had made no such preposition. He bad urged the House of Commons to inquire into the condition of the country, and what had been the effect of the monetary system as it now stands ? His proposition was to inquire if they did not possess some means of relieving that condition, without committing injustice in violating the faith pledged to the public creditor." Lord Althorp, in reply, said— " The tendency of all the Honourable Member's argu ments was what be had stated. • * • In his speech last night he had applied himself—and this was the be ginning and end of his speech—to show that the distress of the country was caused by the monetary system, and that by an alteration of the monetary system a rise of price might be produced, and distress relieved,—(Hear, hear.) He asked the Hon. Member bow he could produce a iisd in prices if be did pot lower the standard of value? in that sense ha had argued the question, and said that the common-sense view of the matter wag, that the eff,cts described by the Hon. Member could only be produced by the standard of value." _ _ Mr. M. Attwood, being a shrewd man, is aware that there is much in a name; and though he would wish the effects which can only be produced by lowering the standard of value, he would not wish to have it thought that he advo- cated depreciation or spoliation. There are many people who possess a great delicacy re specting names. The advocates of deprecia tion as a relief for distress, were evidently inua bothered last night, iF we may use such a word, with the statements of the Vice-President of the Board of Trade. These gentlemen are fond of generalities. From the masterly analysis, how ever, of Mr. P. Thomson, it was made to appear distinctly that the period which they describe as one of great prosperity was one of great privations to the labouring classes, and that the labouring classes have, upon the whole, never been so comfortable as during the period which they describe as one of unexampled distress. The working classes must he stupid beyond conception, if they do not perceive that the depreciation, which the currency doctors tell them is.to be a remedy for all their evils, will materially injure them. The single fact that depreciation does not immediately produce a corresponding rise of wages, and that apprecia tion does not produce a corresponding fall in wages, is of immense importance to the poor. The late Mr. Huskisson was always at great pains to show, that one of the most distressing results of the depreciation of the currency was ;he deterioration of the condition of' the labour- ing classes. The capital acquired by the farmers (luring the period of the depreciation, was c ipital drawn from the mi'eries of the poor. When agriculture was flourishing, as it is called, the labourers were subjected to great privations, and without the aid Of rates would have starved; and it was not till agricultural distress pressed down the tenant, and compelled the landlord to make one abatement after another, that the labourers recovered their position. Our readers will do us the justice to bear witness, that during the period of the fires in the agricultural districts, we always contended that the condition of the labourers was better rather then than it had been some years before ; and that though the administration of the poor laws in the South led to a good deal of petty oppression, and to the disastrous notion that the poor were entitled to throw the blame of all sufferings arising from whatever cause, their own imprudence or vices, for instance, on those who were continually in terfering with them, the condition of the labour ers, on the whole, was not deteriorated. "When the landed interest was depressed (said Mr. Cayley, last night) all other interests suffered, for all depended, more or less, on its prosperity. This might easily be proved. In 1817 and in 1819, wheat was 80s. or 90s. a quarter, and the country was then in a great state of prosperity." The prosperity was so great in these two years, that we had green bag reports, and meetings of an insurrectionary character throughout the country. In the report of the Secret Committee of the Commons of 1817, it is observed, " Not withstanding the alarming progress which has been made in the system of extending disaffec tion and secret societies, its success has been confined to the principal manufacturing districts, where the distress is more prevalent, and numbers more easily collected ; and that, even in many of these districts, privations have been borne with exemplary patience and resignation. Great allowance must be made for those who, under the pressure of urgent dis tress, have been led to listen to plausible and confident demagogues in the expectation of immediate relief." With respect to 1819, the Manchester massacre is quite sufficient to deter mine the prosperity of that period. At the close of that year (Dec. 1), the Marquis of Lansdowne proposed the appointment of a Com mittee " to inquire into the state of the manu facturing districts—the necessity of such an in quiry (he said) could not be disputed at a period when all parties were agreed as to the alarming state of the country. The general desire of some change in the people appeared to arise only from a feeling of uneasiness proceeding from distress." When corn is high, landlords are prosperous ; but to say that all are prospe rous because landlords are prosperous, is to reason, like the woodman in Moliere, who in sisted that when his belly was full no one should be hungry. It has often been remarked by those who have visited lunatic establishments, that the patients, however insensible to their own aberra tions, are peculiarly alive to the vulnerable points of their neighbours. Without meaning any thing of fensive to Mr. A. Baring, we must say that he often reminds us of one of the patients in question. No thing could be happier in its way than his expo sure of the delusions of Mr. M. Attwood, and his proposing him as a fit Chancellor of the Ex chequer for the Grand Seignor : " With the variety and the complexity," he observed, " of the interests of the country before his eyes, he con fessed it did surprise him not a little, that any man out of Bedlam should dream of proposing anything so prepos terous, and at the same time so unjust, as that which had given rise to the present discussion. His surprise., he ac knowledged, was somewhat lessened when he recollected that talent, and even genius, were often allied with pecu liar intellectual conformation, which was often subject to aberrations, that could be accounted for upon no admitted principle.—(A laugh) Of the proposition upon which the House was then called to pro nounce a decision, he might truly say that nothing like it was ever proposed before. The Hon. Mover of that motion might, without much impropriety, have his services transferred to the Sublime Porte. He would make an excellent Minister for the Grand Sultan at Constan tinople, and the proposal which he had just made, was one which would answer exceedingly tvell for a Turkish Budget—(Great laughter)—one of the most prominent features of the system of Government i pur sued in Turkey, was the frequent changes made n the measure of value. A French gentleman had recently pub lished in an Almanack the number of changes made in the value of the Turkish piastre, from the reign of Mahomet I. to the present time. He should not trouble the House with many of the changes, but he could not help ob serving that they were not only annual in their occurrence, but in some instances, semi-annual. In the years 1823 and 1827, the value was twice changed, and the variations ranged within three shillings and three pence. As to the changes in the standard of value, of which 113 had been speaking, their mischief was understood and appreciated in every country, the least advanced in the science of poli tical economy. The Turks themselves bad now their eyes open in more senses than or..,—(Hear, hear.)" Mr. Baring was not only happy in charac terising the delusions of Mr. M. Attwood, but he was also happy in his illustration of the fac titious prosperity caused in their neighbour hoods by " three Norfolk 'Squires of 10,0001. a year each, mortgaging their estates up to their full value, and spending the money raised in four years, as applicable to Great Britain during the war, when loans to the extent of forty millions were spent in a year. At the end of the f our y ears th e Norfolk 'Squires would come to the workhouse, and, at at the end of the war (said Mr. B.) the people of England would have found themselves in apoor house, had there be en one l arge enoug h t o re ceive them. ,, But yet this Mr. Baring, who sees so well the folly of Mr. M. Attwood's at tempt to create prosperity by robbing Peter to pay Paul, propounds himself a notable scheme for compelling the Bank of England, in a few months, to stop payment, and gravely dwells on his panacea of a double standard. The coun try bankers are to be relieved from keeping coin, and allowed to pay in Bank of England notes. If there is any over-trading, the effect will bf. the same—the bank-notes will be transmitted London without loss of time, and gold de manded for them. If the Bank of England attend to their interests, knowing that all thu responsibility rests with them, they will make i as difficult for the country bankers to have thei, notes as sovereigns. So much for Mr. Alex. Baring. Sir Robert Peel gave him a few hits. The debate was again adjourned.—Morning Chronicle. COURT OF CIiANCI4IItY, APRIL 23. MANNERS V. CHARLESWORTIL This appeal was argued a short time since, and we reported it pretty fully. The motion was for an 'order to set aside a return of Commissioners upon a commission of partition, and that a new com mission might be directed. The only point the Lord Chancellor reserved for consideration was whether the Commissioners had improperly shut out evidence from their consideration, and the presence of parties and solicitors from their private conferences ? Hi- Lordship was now clearly of opinion with his Ho nour the Vicc-Chancelior, that the Commissioner, , hid acted in no way improperly, and that, there fore, he was bound to refuse the application, and to dismiss the motion with costs. The LORD CHANCELLOR, at the rising of the Clurt, gave judgment in several o , her cases. COURT OF EXCHEQUER, APRIL 23. LEWIS V. BOWER. Mr. BALL moved for a rule to show cause why a new trial should not be granted in this case, tried before Lord Lyndhurst at Guildhall, at the sittings after last Friary term. It was an action on a bill of exchange, brought by the holder, who was the endorsee, against the acceptor. The ground of the motion was, that the plaintiff bad not proved that he had given consideration for the bill, although the defendant had received no consideration for his ac ceptance. At the trial the plaintiff did not prove that he gave a valuable consideration for the bill.— Rule granted. POLICE INTELLIGENCE. 110 W- f BEET. Yesterday having been appointed for the further hearing of the charge of unlawfully pawning, pre ferred against Mr. S. Bayntun, one of the members for the city of York, by Mr. Mullett, the uphol sterer, of the Strand, the office was crowded, long before the proceedings commenced, by persons anxious to ascertain the result of the inquiry. The evidence taken on Monday week was read over to the witnesses, and Mr. Callow, for the pro secution, called Stephen Samuel Sheppy, who proved that he was foreman to Mr. Jones, a pawnbroker, residing at 3, Tothill-street, Westminster. In July last, witness was in the employment of Mr. James Hall, a pawnbroker, living at No. 93, High-street, Mary lebone. The looking-glass now produced was pawned at the shop of his then employer, for 21., on the 28th of July, by a person who gave the name of Thomas Transfield, and who stated that he re sided at No. 25, Northumberland-street, New-road. The defendant was not the party who pawned the glass. Nathaniel Bowen, shopman to Mr. Hall, pro duced the looking-glass, which was identified by Mr. Mullett as his property. Mr. Polding, who lives with Mr. Mullett, here entered the office, and stated that he had been in search of a witness named Ignatius Cavendish Coyle. He had followed him to the Craven hotel, and wished him to come forward, but he positively re fused to appear. His evidence was most material. Mr. HALLS directed Ledbitter, the officer, to go in search of the witness, and bring him forward without delay. The witness Bowen then stated, in reply to ques tions put to him by Mr. Callow, that about a month ago he received directions from Mr. Polding not to part with the glass. A person came to redeem it a few days after, but witness detained the duplicate, and refused to let him have the glass. That person was now in the office. Thomas Clarke, the person referred to, was then sworn. He stated that he was managing clerk to Messrs. Peach and Bowditch, solic►tors to Mr. Bayntun, and that he was the party who went to redeem the glass. Mr. Callow—From whom did you receive the duplicate ? Witness—From Mr. Bayntun. Mr HALLS—Do you mean to say that you got the duplicate from Mr. Bayntun himself? W►t ness—Yes; both the duplicate and the summons from this office were handed to me ; but when 1 went to redeem the glass it was refused to me. The witness was then examined with reference to a conversation alleged to have taken place at the office of Messrs. Peach and Bowditch, about four months ago, in which, accord►ng to the evidence of Mr. Polding, Mr. Bayntun assured that gentleman that the furniture which was supplied to him was perfectly safe, with the exception of the looking glass, which he had sent to his sister at Brighton. The witness declared that he had not the slightest recollection of any such admission having been made by Mr. Bayntun. A negotiation was going on at the time between Mr. Bayntun and Mr. Mullett, with respect to the furniture, and it was arranged that it should be returned, and that any part which was deficient should be paid for. In answer to a question by Mr. Callow, the witness Clarke said that he could not swear posi tively that the conversation deposed to by Mr. Pulding did not take place. Mr. Callow then said, that he wished to call forward a person of the name of Pledger, to prove that Mr. Bayntun offered to sell to him the whola of the furniture which he had hired from Mr. Mul lett, which, in his judgment, was an act of felony. Mr. HALLS said that the fact stated might furnish grounds for another proceeding, but at present the charge before him was one of unlawfully pawning. If, however, the prosecutor had sufficient evidence to establish a charge of felony ; he might lay an in formation in the clerks' office. Ledbitter, the officer. here returned and stated that he had not succeeded in finding the witness Coyle. Mr. Ruiz directed that a warrant should be issued to compel his appearance, and observed that the prosecutor had a right to demand a postpone ment or the case until be could procure the attend ance of Coyle. Thomas Transfield, servant to the defendant, was then called forward and sworn. He pledged the looking-glass at the shop of Mr. Hall some time in July last. He pledged it in his own name for 21., and gave the money t o Mr. Coyle, who authorized him to pawn the article. Mr. Coyle acted as Mr. Bayntun's agent. Cross -examined—My master was not in town at the time the glass was pawned. Mr. Coyle talked about " raising the wind," and when witness gave him the 21. he sent for some beef and ham. Coyle was discharged from Mr. Bay ritim's service since that time. He is now a discarded agent. James Collard was in the defendant's service in July last, and went with the last witness to pawn the looking-glass. They received directions to pledge the glass from Mr. Coyle, who was a gentle man, and master's agent. Never saw master in the boilse after the glass was pawned. Miss Frances Stokes lived in Kingsgate-street , Holborn. In July last she kept a house in Nor thumberland-street,New-road. The defendant took .lodgings in th at h ouse . H e was i n town to her cer• tain knowledge in July last, and remained in town until the August following. The defendant took the lodgings on the 7th of July. She was a little angry with him because he had not acted towards her as a gentleman. He owed her a balance of 61. for rent, which she could not get from him. The wit ness, on being pressed by Mr. Bayntun's attorney, acknowledged that she called a t hi s office on the _ _ irevious day, and told him that she had been sum moned to give evidence against Mr. Bayntun, and -he asked whether she should appear or not. She lid not say, however, that the should g o forward unless she was paid the sum she demanded. A document, purporting to he an account of what witness stated on the occasion in question, was hen. )roduced and read by the clerk. It stated in sub stance, that the defendant took the lodgings for six months certain, but kept them only three weeks; that all she received from him was 31., and that she .:11nuld not screen him unless he paid her the balance which he owed her of 6/. Mr. Callow then called Mr. W. Pledger, tavern keeper, of No. 58, Fore-street, to prove that the de "endant was in town at the latter end of July. The witness stated that he recollected going to Mr. Bayntun's, in Northumberland-street, but could no , tell the exact time. He went to buy some furniture. It was a very few days after the defendant left the !louse with the goods. Mr. HALLS said, that as yet there was no evidence to prove that the defendant was privy to the pledg nu of the glass by Coyle. There waq no doubt bit that, whether the defendant was in town or not at the time, he might have directed the pawning, nal the only question was as to whether the glass was pledged by Coyle on his own re sponsibility or by direction of his master. He should remand the case for another day, on the application of the prosecutor, to give time for the production of the witness Coyle, who must at present be considered as the defendant's agent. Certainly, no evidence hid been produced as yet to show that the defendant had a guilty knowledge of the pawning. He should therefore discharge him for the present, but if on any future occasion addi tional evidence should be produced, he must hold himself prepared to answer it. He was not ac quitted of the charge, but he was discharged simply because the case against him was not made out. Mr. Bayntun and his witnesses then retired, and the prosecutor on leaving the office declared that he was determined, for the sake of public justice, to follow up the inquiry. MARLBOROUGH-STREET. Charles Hayes, the individual charged by a num ber of tradesmen with having obtained property to a large amount from them by frautlule-t representn dons, was yesterday brought before Mr. CONANT, the sitting Magistrate, for the purpose of having the charges invevigated, and his father and his brother, Frederick Hayes, were also placed at the bar with h;rn. charged with being accessaries to the alleged frauds. Air. Tate, silversmith, of Regent-street, said the prisoner Charles Hayes for some time had been in the habit of calling at his shop, and paying ready money for some trifling articles which he purchased. In January last he called and gave an order for a silver tea service to his shopman, who would state what then occurred. The shopman said the prisoner told him he wished to make his wife a present of a tea service, and after stating that he held some official situation, asked him if he thought Mr. Tate would have any ob jection to give him credit for it until the let of April, when his salary would become due. He also selected a gold neck-chain, which he requested might be sent with the tea service, in case Mr. Tate was inclined to give him credit. Witness mentioned the prisoner's wishes to Mr. Tate, who directed him to make inquiries, and he went ac cordingly to No. 15, Park -terrace, where the pri soner then lived, and finding the house handsomely furnished, and the prisoner bearing a good charac ter in the neighbourhood, he made his report ac cordingly, and Mr. Tate sent the goods which had been selected. _ Mr. Tait said, when he went for payment he die covered that the prisoner had quitted London, and he afterwards found that the property obtained from him had been pledged almost immediately after he sent it in. The father of the prisoner opened the door to him, and assumed the character of the pri soner's livery servant. Mr. Lamb, silversmith, No. 43, Ludgate-hill, said the prisoner called upon him a short time ago, and said he had been accustomed to purchase largely of the former proprietor of the shop, and as he waa averse to changing his tradesmen, he would give him his orders. He selected a dozen King's pattern silver forks, and requested them to be sent to Park place, which was done, and he paid the money for them. The prisoner came shortly afterwards for half-a dozen additional forks to complete, as he said, his best silver service, and he then put the question to witness whether he would have any objection to give him credit until the begining of next April, when his dividends would be due. Witness having acceded to this request, the prisoner went away, and wrote to him a day or two afterwards to send a man to his house, to measure his plate for a plate chest. He then ordered a dozen fiddle pattern forks, and a dozen fiddle pattern spoon which were supplied. In the beginning of April the prisoner called and desired his bill to be made out. The next day he sent a letter with an order for another dozen of fiddle pattern spoons; but they were not sent on Saturday as required, and on Monday witness received a letter from the prisoner, acquainting him that he was obliged to leave town through a severe loss he had sustained, and sating that he had given orders if the spoons were left that they should be returned. Upon making inquiries after receiving this letter, witness discovered that Mr. Hayes was nowhere to be found, and that the property obtained from him had been pawned immediately after it was sent in. Mr. Hays, jeweller, Regent•street, said the pri soner applied to him in Jsnuary last, having pur chased and paid for trifling articles previously, and requested that a gold Trichinopoli chain, with ser pent slide, weighing not less than three ounces, should be sent to his house for his inspection. The prisoner then added, that he had just married a lady of large fortune, and he should wish him to give credit for the amount until he had received his di vidends. Witness asked him if he still retained his situation, as Clerk of the Paving Board, and was answered in the affirmative, but, said the prisoner, " I only receive 5001. a year fur my services, and I mean to relinquish it." Witness afterwards discovered that the prisoner had been some time previously dismimsed from the situa- tion on account - of some gambling transaction in which he had been engaged. Witness, however, on the faith of what the prisoner then represented, sent him the chain, and the prisoner called at various times and succeeded in making the account between 601. and 70/. Witness the next time the prisoner called spoke of payment of the account, and the prisoner promised to settled it in April, taking away other goods of the value of 61. or 71. Afterwards he obtained a chain which had been made for a cus tomer, in order, as he said, v. - ) submit to his wife, as he wished to present her with such a one. From circumstances which came to witness's knowledge, he was induced to go up to Park-place, and then he found that the goods were being removed. Witness then wrote to the prisoner for payment of his ac count, and the prisoner having fixed a time to meet him, he went early in the morning and stationed himself opposite the house in Park•place, and saw a lad, a younger brother of the prisoner, busily em ployed in removing parcels. Mr. CoNANT, after observing that nothing ap peared against any party which enabled him to act, ordered all the prisoners to be discharged. Immediately Charles Hayes was liberated half-a dozen sheriff's officers, with as many writs, rushed forward to make their caption, which having ac complished, he left the office in their custody. THE INFLUENZA.—There were twenty-one persons confined to their beds in Burlington House a week ago, all of whom are now recovering, under the able superintendence of Dr. HOLLAND. Lady CAROLINE CAVENDISH and Lady CHARLES FITZROY were of the number. The majority were domestics. THEIR MAJESTIES. The Kners and Qtrixer arrived in town about two o'clock yesterday afternoon in a carriage and four, escorted by a party of Lancers, from the Palace at Windsor. His Maavery gave a Grend Dinner yesterday (St. George's Day) to the Knights of the Most Not,le Order of St. George, or the Garter. The Knights came in full Court Dreor, wearing the Collar and other insignia of the Order. The stars of some of the Knights were set in brilliants. Toe banquet was served in the Banquetting Room. In the middle of the table was a large epergne, the upper part containing a representation of St. George combatting the Drago n ; beneath this were four figures bearing shields, with the national crests of England, Ireland, Scotland, and a.c ;t 3nht V ,ncd t e , hhee s t ae} ; :snen t a tdi ti t .o, . oipefh articles Dragont ofi f o :tb u pheri r leano.uot pecfme smallootwi v: rt ee t rro s i nenn o ittfcwahhiteh surmountedte s h eim e cfnhai ipdri tie l te to mostw Cup, ' T i c k, and St. Andrew, and between edl t l S h ser e tilwaw d nGa i i v el I: : :lo s t i rh O gSe n vie t s ;l4sS a Gap r e e l.eiaanPe t tnel ire 4l ere valuablegro grou p s L o a f Rose, Shamrock, and Thiatle,f,r me d with gems, and abrwe each a Crown set with diamonds ; underneath this cup was a specimen of exquisite workmanship, the work of BENYENUTO CELLINI, and a shell with mountings of great beauty, the cover rortnonnted with the Jupiter tenana ; on t-ither hide were two valuable cops enriched with previews stones. Salvers, with representations of different elle eorical and historical subjects, tankards, many of them elaborately carved in ivory, and other articles of plate, were displayed to great advantage, having; a back groan of crimson draperies. The State Rooms were opened for the reception of 0, 12 party; the Portrait Gallery, through which the company p towed, wig lined by the Yeomen of the Guard, under th command of Mr. PEALSON, the Exon in Waiting. The hand of the Scots Fuhilcer Guards, ist new uniforms, were stationed in an ante-room, and played " God save the King," as hi• MAJESTY and the Knights primed down the Portrait Gallery to the Banquetting Room Ott dinner being served, his MAJESTY, preceded by the Comptroller and Treasurer of the Household, the Vice Chamberlain, the Lord Steward, and the Lord Chamb rlain, led the way, followed by the Dukes of CUSIZERLAND. Sussex, and GLOUCESTER, the Earl of WESTMORELAND. 4nd the other Knights, accnrdine to their seniority. The KING took his seat in the middle of the table. The dinner !wry eionithred of the followitvz The Dukes of Cumberland, Sussex, and Gloucester; the Earl of Westmoreland, the Marquis Camden, the Duke of Rut.. land, the Duke of Beaufort, the Earl of Lonsdale, Marquis Wellesley, the Duke of Newcastle, the Marquis of Bath, the Duke of Dorset, the Duke of Devonshire, the Marquis of Exeter, the Duke of Richmond, the Duke of Bedford, Earl Grey, the Great Officers of State, the Master of the Horse, the Groom of the Stole, the Officers of their Majesties' Household, the Captain of the Yeomen Guard, the Lord Chamberlain to the Queen, the Vice.Charriberlain to the King, the Colonel of the Royal Horse Guards ; Earl Amherst, Lord in Waiting ; the Treasurer of the Household, the Comptroller of the Household, the Master of the Household, the Keeper of the Privy Purse, the Master of the Robes, the Clerk Marshal, the Officers of the Order of the Prelate ; Sir William Woods (Ciarenceux), King at Arms, in the absence of Sir Ralph Bigland (Garter), King at Arms; Sir A. Clifford, Usher of the Bts'k Rod. CORONER'S INQUEST. On Saturday an inquest was held at the Anchor and Hope, Stepney, berore Mr. BAKER, the Coro ner, on the body of Richard Herring, a cow-keeper. William Herring, aged fifteen years, the son of the deceased, deposed that his father had been un well for a week pair, and complained of a giddiness in the head. On Thursday morning last his father milked his cows as usual; but remarked to witness that his head was very bad. He sent witness to get his breakfast, and said he would follow, but having waited a considerable time, and finding he did not come, be went to look for him, followed by his mother, when they found him in the well, with his feet upwards; and with the assistance of ano ther person they took him out and sent for Mr. Hislop, a surgeon, who for two hours endeavoured to restore animation, but without effect. Witness had previously given water to all the cows, and had covered the well over with a board, leaving an opening of not more than eighteen inches across at the widest part, and the board was not removed when the deceased, who was not in the habit of drawing water, was found. The Jury examined the well, and expressed great surprise at the smallness of the aperture, and the size of the well, which in diameter and depth did not exceed a common wine pipe. The boy was re-examined, and said he supposed his father had fallen in accidentally. There was no pail or other vessel, however, to be found near him. A witness was proceeding to state that he heard a call for assistance and ran into the yard, where he saw the mother and son endeavouring to pull the deceased out of the well, when a man abruptly rushed into the inquest room, and called out, " Bill, come to your work ; we can't get any milk." The constable iramesliately removed the in truder, and on his return informed the Coroner that the wife of the deceased, who was outside, had sent the man in. The Jury had just made up their minds not to call the wife forward, from a failing of delicacy; but they new insisted on examining her. The constable went to fetch her; but came back and said she refused to come. The CORONER desired him to enforce her at tendance, which he did, with some difEculty. Upon her entrance the CORONER inquired why she had sent in that rude manner for the boy ? Witness—Because I wanted him to do his work, and you have no business to make him come to a common public-house. I can't have my work neg lected for you. Do not you perceive that you are addressing ;! entlemen ?—No, I see no gentlemen, I am speak ing to you. The CORONER explained to her the nature and object of the present inquiry, and asked her in what condition she found her husband? Witness—Why, I went down and saw my poor dear creature's feet on the top of the water. CORONER—Poor dear creature, indeed ; did you pull him out directly ?—No, I could not get him out. I got him out all but his head. What, did you not get his head out ?—No, I had not strength enough. Do you swear that ?—Yes, I do indeed. Do you suppose he fell in by accident?--Lord knows, I am sure I do not (with a kind of laugh). You never heard him threaten to destroy him. self ?—Lord, no (with the utmost carelessness). A Juror—Your condact is disgraceful, and o . fensive to decency. Witness—Oh, don't bother me. You keep me so long. Here she ran out of the room; but was brought back and secured by the Coroner's order. The boy was again examined, and stated, at first, that his mother and father never quarrelled; but being closely questioned, he afterwards admitted that they used to have words about him, she being his stepmother. He also added, that she was in the cowhouse with the deceased the same morning before his death; but lie (witness) was in the kit chen at the time, and could not tell what had passed between them. The woman denied that she ever quarrelled with the deceased. She stated also that he had left no property ; but afterwards acknowledged that he had eight cows and a horse and cart, which she thought now belonged to the boy. The CORONER remarked that the improper con duct of the wife seemed to throw a shade of suspi cion about her character ; but, as there was no evi dence to implicate her, the Jury might, if they chose, return a verdict which would not militate against any ulterior proceedings—" That the de ceased was found drowned ; but by what means he came by his death, there is no evidence before the Jury.' The Jury coincided in this view of the case, and agreed that they could not conscientiously.return a verdict of accidental death. At the same time l th ey conjointly expressed their abhorrence of t he vo man's behaviour. The CORONER reprimanded bet in severe terms, and observed, that had th ere ha d been a jot of evi dence against her, he should h ave felt it his duty to have sent her befor e another Court. She treated the business with perfect noncha. power of the Coroner alto lance, and defied the gether.