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BENIN - WINCHESTER, Esq., ALP., for the lott of Ward Officers for the year ensuing, usaaimously,—That the thanks of this Ward 'Mute be given to the Worshipful Henry Winchester, Esq., .l-P., Alderman of this Ward, for the imps , tiality with : 1 1 . 1 ich, hello r elide If over the bu , iness of the day , f or '"''fluthitOticliiiige of all his .I;igistetial duties, and fer Iliskinikattil polite attention to the inhabitants of this Ward. that, also, the thanks of this Wardmote be given to Deputy Thomas Whitby, Thomas Conway, John C , mbs , plarlesing,ll, Chapman Marshall, High Sheriff, Henry hat Elpoi, Thomas Marsden, George Martin, and John t'ElArs,, for their isigh and valuable services as Corn- Oa of this Wird for the last year, and their attention to the watch police duties. Wardmotette draft of a petition to the Honour )lrnfse Of Com Mens far the repeal of duties on Sea iota:ads was A#lo to, and requested to be presented to thelkinseliy - Afr , Alderman Winchester, M.P. ' JAMES LAWSON, Ward Clerk. TOWN'S MEETING 'IN SUPPORT .OF PARLIA MENTARY REFORM. ; 'A T. a very nlmerous MEETING of the eCit. INHABITANTS of BIRMINGHAM, heW at Mr. :Ileardsworth'e Repository, on MONDAY, the 13th inst., :foe the purpose.oT expressing their gratitude to his Majesty ;forthe dismissal of his late Ministers, and their determine ' ',lion tasuppoit his Majesty's Government in carrying into Vert his Majesty's gracious and paternal instructions, on 'The :Inkiest- of PARLIAMENTARY REFORM, I ` j THONIAS •All'WOOD,"Esq., in the Chair, i ,Mhied by Jos. 'Scholefielti, Esq., and seconded by Mr.' I Edmonds, paned unanimously, lit. That this Meeting cordially congratulates the people of the United Ki n gdom upon the dismissal of his Ms , ksty's late Ministers, rejoicing most sincerely that igno trant, incapable, and unfeeling, as they have proved them / selves, they have at last been driven from power, and as: ;Ministers of the Crown, have now no longer the opportu- I ,nity of insulti ng th e n a tion by denying the necessity of 1 Parliamentary Reform, and proclaiming the existence of "social happi ness ," an d " c ommercial prosperity," whilst 'team, distress sind discontent prevail every where, and whilst the fires of discord and revenge are bluing through t esti half of England. Moved by Mr. Benjamin Hadley, and seconded by Mr. T. , C. Salt, passed with one dissentient voice, I . 24. That this Meeting sincerely rejoices in the wia :doM and patriotism displayed by his Majesty in the choke I' of his present Ministers, and in the pledges which those 'Ministers have given to inquire into the causes of the na• / 'fional distress, and into the most effectual means of its re lief; an inquiry which his always been pertinaciously re ; fined by the late Ministers, as if for the express purpose of ,concealing the misconduct which has produced so ,much misery, degradation, and calamity to the nation. :Moved by G. F. ]Bunts, Esq., and seconded by Mr. Jones, passed with only three dissentient voices, ' V. That this 'Meeting rejoices equally in the pledges Which his Majesty's present Ministers have given to effect j, "such a Reform in the Representation of the People as • , will in all respects satisfy the public expectation without endangerieg the settled institutions of the country." j I Moved by Mr. Edmonds, and seconded by Mr. J. Pierce, passed unanimously, 4th. That in the opinion of this Meeting all classes of hie Majesty's subjects are interested in the preservation of the, settled institutions of the countty, and in having them placed under the safeguard of such a Reformed Pars i; lioment as shall restore the lost riehts and happiness of the great mass of the "people, and thereby afford ae only se , away which can he found for the just rights and immuni• i ties of the privileged orders. Moved by Mr. M•Donnell, and seconded by Mr. Russell, 1 1 passed with only one dissentient voice, ; Mt?. This' in the opinion of this Meeting the benevolent I'lntentions of their patriot King, and the pledges of his ' Ministers, cannot be carried into full effect unless they are 1 supported by the cordial and general expression of the pub. :,,lic opinion throughout the United Kingdom. ;Voted by Mr. Weston, and seconded by Mr. Pare, passed with only one dissentient voice, " 6th. That without this co r dial and general expression of .the publio ' opinion this Meeting apprehends that the, gra. 4: 66 tri intentions of his Majesty will be counteracted by the i . .hfittence of the Borough Faction; and that no beneficial ' sad effectual Reform can really be accomplished. i , 1 10•Ittl by Mr. Joseph Parkes, and seconded by J. Betts, ,Esq., passed unanimously, 7th. That in the opinion of this Meeting it is therefore ,fteeseary that the people should come forward generally i sad instantly in support of his Majesty's Governmen t ; and thst they should present petitions from all parts of the ' United Kingdom, praying for an entire restoration of all ' the undeniable constitutional rights of the people, and for ; Such regulations and provisions as may secure their full '' and :permanent possession ; and that in the opinion of this IMeeting Vote by Ballot is in principle and experience essential to the free and perfect exercise of the Elective Franchise, , Moved by Mr. Joan, and seconded by Mr. Hadley, • pissed unanimously, B th. That with the view of strengthening the bands of thwernment, and of humbly assisting in carrying into tf r'ut hie Majesty's gracious and p a ternal designs, it is : expedient that a Petition of Rights should be forthwith , rerouted to both Houses of Parliament from the inhabi tants of the town of Birmingham. 11 °sell by Mr. 81untz, and seconded by Mr. Weston, passed unanimously, • , 9th. That the following Petition of Rights now read • De adopted ; a n d th a t th e Chairman be requested to take the necessary measures for obtaining the signature of the inhabitants of Birmingham. Moved by Joshua Scbolefiehl, Esq., seconded by J. Biddle, Eaq., passed unanimously, Itith. That the Earl of Radnor be requested to present • the Petition to the House of Lords, and the Marquis of ` Blantiford be requested to present it to the House of m Com , ons. 1 4 , 'loved by Joseph Biddle, Esq., and seconded by John , - Bette, Esq., . 11th. That the Petition be printed in such way as the • Chairman may direct. a 1 2th. That Si r F ranc i s B ur d e tt be respectfully requested • to support the prayer of the Petition. 18th. That the cordial thanks of this Meeting be given . to John Beeidswortb, Esq., for his great public spirit and liberality in granting the use of bit magnificent Repel ,: • tors, on this and so many other important occasions. THOMAS ATTWOOD, Chairman. ' The Chairman h av i ng l e f t t h e c h a i r , an d the same baring Dein taken by Joshua Scholefield, Esq., • It was resolved unanimously, l ; On the motion of Mr. Richard Hipkiss, seconded by t: : Joseph Parke., Eeq., 1 • __ That the cor di a l thanks of Ws Meeting be given to , . :Thomas Attwood, Es fur his able and impartial conduct . ; ID the chair. (I. JOSHUA SCHOLEFIELD. PEION OF RIGHTS. Te the Honourable the TIT Commons of the United Kingdom, The Great B r i ta i n and Ireland, in Parl i ament assem bl e d. ltie Petition of Bights of the Inhabitants of the Town of , Birmingham, in Town's Meeting assembled, Humbly skowetb, I st. That during the last ISO years, a number of Acts of Parliam ent have been passed, which are in direct vio ' !mien of th e Great Conitttutional Laws of the Land, and which have had the effect of uninstly depriving the in dustrious classn of that wholesome influence in your Honourable House, which is their undoubted Constitu tional right, and which it is necessary to the protection of their rights and interests that they should POW"' tie That owing to the want of this just, legal. and ott euary influence, the rights and interests of the indus trious classes have not been properly understood, nor efficiently protected in your Honourable House; and that, rnoequently, the most serious difficulties and distresses have been experienced for many years by the industrious ss ( laes, and s till continue to oppress all the great produc e interests of the Country. Sd. That out of this neglect, or mismanagement, a very general spirit of discontent has arisen, which per , 's t es 'the wh o l e o f the industrious dusts of the commu ihtY, and which is of a character to be no tenger slighted With impunity. 4th. That, 'under th ese urgent circumstance) your, retitioners fed it &duty w hi c h t h ey owe to t h e i r King an d ii to thdr country, to claim from the justice of your Ho. t nourable H ouse t h e full and entire restoration of all those ` g fli g ht s , which the people of this Country formerly ; indianntai "es wl an d without year Ottell Ormly bel r ay s that the p rosperity No. 11,943. of the country cannot be restored and preserved, and that its ancient and venerable Institutions cannot be saved from approaching anarchy. Stb. That among • the great Constitutional Rights which the Constitution acknowledges to be the " Birth right" of the English people, and which, agreeable to the Constitutional practice of their forefathers, your Petitioners feel it their duty respectfully to claim and demand, are the following most important rights, alike necessary to the liberty and happiness of the people, and to the honour and safety of the Throne:- Ist. The right of having all Placemen dismissed from the House of Commons, agreeably to the great Con. stitutional Act - of Settlement, which places the pre sent Illustrious family on the Throne. 2d. The right of having " Triennial or more fre quent Parliaments," as recognised anti secured by the great Constitutional Act, the 6th of William and Mary, cap. 2. Sd. The right of sitting and voting in the Commons' House of Parliament, when lawfully chosen, without the qual ifi cation of property which was fixed tin- constitutionally by the Aci of 9th of Queen Anne.. 4th. The right of having all the Knights, Citizens, and Burgesses of the House of Commons paid the reasonable " ;capes of attendance" by a rate upon their constituents, in order to enable the common people to have the benefit of the services of persons living under the same circumstances, and having the same knowledge, and the 'same wants and interests as ,tlOiteirrs. sth. The right of having the large towns and . popu lona 4istriets of the country represented in the House of Commons in the place of those decayed boroughs which return Members to Parliament, although now containing but few inhabitants. 6th. The right of every man to have a vote in the election of Members of the House of Commons, who is in any way called upon to contribute to either National or Local Taxation, direct or indirect ; by which your petitioners understand that, either all the taxes ought to be taken off from those articles necessary for the subsistence anti comfort of working men, or that all working men, who are compelled to pay such taxes, should have a vote its the election of Members of your Honourable House. 7th. The right to have elections for Members of the House of Commons, free and unbiassed, and with this view to have such arrangements made in the conducting of elections as may effectually prevent all force, fear, and intimid 'don, and all bribery or un due influence of any kind, from acting upon the minds of the electors. These are the principal rights of which the people have been unjustly and unconstitutionally deprived, and the re storation of which your Petitioners respectfully claim from the justice of your Honourable House. Your Petitioners beg leave further respectfully to repre sent that, in order to give full effect to these great Consti tutional rights, and to prevent the bribery, corrupt influ ence, profligacy, tumult, and expense with which elections for Members of your Honourable House are now generally attended, it is desirable in the opinion of your Petitioners, that all the electors should give their votes by Ballot, and that such regulations should be adopted as may be neces sary for completing the elections in one day, without in convenience to the Electors, or expense to the Candidates. Your Petitioners do, therefore, humbly pray that your Honourable House will be pleased to take these represen tations into consideration, and to adopt forthwith the ne cessary measures for restoring to the people the undeniable Constitutional rights above referred to, under such regula tions and provisions as may ensure their full and free exer cise on the part of the people, " without endangering the settled institutions of the country." And your Petitioners, as i■ duty bound, will ever pray, &c. &c. TO THE NOBILITY, GENTRY, So.—GEM OF EPICUREAN DAINTIES. Fresh by the Mail every Morning, GREENWOOD'S CELEBRATED NORWICH ANTI-ERUCTATIVE SAUSAGES, to be bad for the Season at his Agent's only, J. TOWN SEND, 70, Queen-street, Cheapaide. Orders taken in for Christmas These &wages are not to be surpassed, if equalled, by any in the kingdom. ROYAL LADY'S MAGAZINE, will be published on the let of January, price 2s. 6d. with a splendid Portrait of the King, and other embellishments. 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Earl GREY presented a petition from Tauuton, praying for a repeal of the Assessed Taxes. The Noble Earl also presented several petitions from different parts of Scot land, praying for improvement in the elections for Scotch burghs. On the motion of the Earl of SHAFTESBURY, an humble address was ordered to be presented to his Majesty, praying that he would be pleased to order the Second Re port of the Commissioners, directed to inquire iuto the Law of Real Property, to be laid before their Lordships. Lord MELBOURNE presented a petition from Abing , don, praying for the abolition of the Poor Laws, also one from Pool., praying for Parliamentary Reform. Sir A. GRANT and others from the Commons brought up the Consolidated Fund Bill, which on the motion of Earl GREY was read a first time. The Nontr EARL, in moving its first reading, gave notice of a motion for to-morrow evening to suspend the standing orders, 126, 156, for the purpow of expediting the passing of this Bill. Lord FARNHAM presented a petition from Alex* Parry, .complaining of free trade. Etrl STANHOPE presented a petition from Spalding for a repeal on the duty on coals carried coastwise ; also a petition from the Journeymen Paper-makers of Somerset, praying for the imposition of a duty on new machinery. Lord TEYNHAM gave notice of his intention to teove for leave to bring in a Bill, on Tuesday, the 15th of April, for the Commutation of the Tithes on Hopr. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented petitions from Aberdeen, Glasgow, Stirling, and different parts of Scotland, prayint for Parliamentary Reform. The Noice MARQUIS also presented a petition from St. Nicholas, Galway, preying their Lordships to review the Parliamentary grant for education in Ireland.— The Noble Marquis also presented a petition from the poor of Liverpool, praying for the removal of their disabilities ; also a petition from the petitioners of Ardagb, praying for their Lordships to Pied some employment for the unetnployed workmen. The Patents Continuation Bill went through a Committee, and was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. Lord WYNFORD left the.Woolsack for the purpose of intimating to their Lordships his intention of bringing in a Bill for the better prevention of frauds by debtors lying in prison or absconding. He always thought that it was poor satisfaction to a creditor to imprison the person of his debtor; hut as it was still resorted to, and as the practice still remained part of the law of the land, it only remained for him to suggest the beet modification of it that cir cumstances permitted. The late Sir S. Homily made a great effort to rid the country of a piece of legislation which reflected no credit upon the country. That distin guished individual failed in his attempt at improvement, and after such a failure, ho (Lord NV.) could scarcely hope for success. The object which Sir Samuel Rotnilly had in view was to extend writs of execution as that they should reach teal property. It was of course well known to their Lordships, that any debtor confined under execution issuing from the Court of King's Bench and Common Pleas, might, if he could give security to the marshal of the prison,estne the inconvenience of confinement altogether—might enjoy the advantages of a good house, and an agreeable situation, free from all the restraints and inconvenience of confine ment. Actions for escape could only be maintained where the debtor failed to return before the action was brought. Now the debtors of whom he was speaking, left the rules of the prison after the offices were shut, and returned before they opened, and by these means enjoyed a freedom which rendered their nominal imprisonment perfectly nugatory. A number of persons confined under those circumstances took houses in different parts, and eventually obtained credit from different tradesmen on the characters they gave each other. Ile need not tell the House that the whole of this scheme was concocted and carried on for the purposes of fraud. and the creditors never hail a shilling of the some due to them. This and other facts, which he could detail to them, and which admitted of the most satisfactory proofs, would spew that many persons of considerable pro. party contracted debts, and remained in prison without paying their creditors a farthing. So far bark as the reign of George IL, en Act was passed for the purpose of authorising the Courts to assign the property of debtors for the payment of their creditors, but unfortunately the Act did not extend beyond debts of 1001. What he pro posed to de was, to extend that Act to all debts of what amount soever. If the Legislature agreed to that, he would venture to say that it would have the immediate effect of relieving the prisons of many who were now liv ing a life of idleness and luxury—living most luxutionsly upon the proceeds of property which ought to be applied to the payment of their debts. The effect of the present system was 'whin less than to create an English colony on the opposite cost. In cases of an application for out lawry, the Judge might require bail for the appearance of the debtor. It was provided by an Act of Elia ibeth, in whose reign many good laws were passed, that, in order to perfect an outlawry, there must be a proclamation if it were defective, in order that the debtor might apply to set aside the debt ; but in those cases where the outlawry was complete, the debtor ought to be compelled to give bail for the full satisfaction of the debts and caste, or else be subjected to all the pains and penalties necessarily at tendant upon a proceeding of outlawry. One of the alterations which he meant to introduce was, to deprive debtors of the power of coming in to reverse their out lawries on the ground of their not having been within the four seas at the time of such writs of outlawry being issued. However the expediency of reaching life inte rests might he just, he . saw no reason why inheritanc es should be made snore sul.ject to creditors than at present : all that he thought the interest of the creditors demanded was, that the property of the debtor during his life should be made available for the purposes of justice. The Noble Lord then brought in a Nil for . the better pre vention of Frauds by Debtors , whether in prison or ab sconding. The Bill was read a first time, and ordered to be printed. Their Lordships then adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, Dec. 21. -- - Mr. Johnson, from the office of the Chief Secretary of Ireland, presented the contract prices for butter, flour, and malt. Petitions praying for the abolition of Negro Slavery, were presented from Lancaster and Stockport ; by Mr. LIEFROT from Longford; and by Mr. Musts from nume rous places in Scotland. BOROUGH OF RYE. Mr. CRADOCK presented a petition, to which he wished to call the particular attention of the House, as he considered it involved a case of breach of privilege. The petition to which he referred was from Rye, complain ing of the improper conduct of the returning officer of that borough, who had taken upon himself the responsi bility of returning Members, who had been elected in direct violation of the resolution of the ComMittee of last May. lie knew that that resolution hail been since rescinded by the decision of another Committee, but it was in force, and consequently part of the law of the land, at the time of the last Rye election. He therefore thought the con duct of the returning officer should be brought under the consideration of the House. The SPEAKER said that if this were an election peti tion the lion. Member must be aware it was now too late to present it; and if not, he thought it quite unnecessary so to do, as there was a petition already before the House from Colonel (le Lacy Evans and Benjamin Smith, Esq., complaining of an undue election, which petition also called the attention of the House to the con duct of the returning officer. The House, therefore, by giving any opinion on this petition, would prejudge the merits of the one that mast go before a Committee. Mr. CRADOCK, 'after a few observations, withdrew the petition. Mr. HUME presented a petition from Bristol, praying for the extension of the Local Courts of Judicature to that city. After a few words from Mr. 11. Davis the petition was ordered to lie on the table. THE MIDDLESEX PETITION. Mr. HUMS presented the petition of the freeholders of Middlesex, which had been agreed to'un►ni►nousl' at the Mermaid Tavern, flakier; arid which prayed fur ra trenehment, reform, economy, and the vote by ballot. The meeting had been unanimous in its demand for the reduction of the expenditure of the country, for the refor mation of the poor laws, and au alteration in the tithe collection, But at the sante time that it prayed the House to look into these things, it expressed its opinion that it was hopeless to expect any amendment till there was a Reform in Parliament, such as should give a' voice to every one who paid rates and taxes in the country ; nor did the meeting believe that even this mode would prove effectual unless the vote by ballot was added to it. With respect to the retrenchment that was prayed, he had long thought that without that taking place on a most exten sive scale, it would be impossible for the country to re trieve itself from the difficulties of its present situation. He had seen and heard of nothing that had tended to change his opinion on this point. He was likewise bound to state before ha sat down, that the meeting had been un anitnous►y of opinion, that it was impolitic in the highest degree to add to the present military force of the country ; and that the alteration of the corn laws and the reduction of the expenditure would have been much more effective in checking the discontent of the people. Sir G. WARRENDER said. that be was happy to be able to agree with what hail fallen from the lion. Gen tleman touching retrenchment and economy, and he would take that opportunity of saying that the symptoms already manifested on this print by the present Govern ment were such as to have gained his confidence. He was fhetuore desirous of saying thus much, because he wished A 4 deprecate the advicetliat.had been offees4 to the Govern- Merit by the other side of the House.—(Hear, hear.)—He certainly had perceived symptoms that had made him think that it might be necessary for the Government to resort to the opinion of tire people—(Hear, bear)—and should that be the case, it was only by a wise perseverance in measures of economy that they could hope to re ceive the sympathy of a loyal, but distressed people. --(Hear, hear, hear.)—With respect to Reform it. Parliament, however, he could not entirely agree with the Hon. Gentleman ; nor did he think that these were times for the military force of the country to be less effec tive than it had been. When the Edinburgh petition should be presented to the House, he would undertake to show that the majority of the respetsble and educated classes of that city were not friendly to Reform in Parliament; and he believed that such was generally the case throughout the country. With respect to the advantages to be derived from it, it was only necessary to look at what had taken place at Liverpool, where, though the elective franchise was extensive, the most barefaced cor ruption had been carried on, and to Preston, where ti member of that family which lad served the country for ages, and whose acts were mixed with past recollections, had been deprived of his seat. . Mr. WARBURTON was not surprised that the llon. Gentleman, who • bad last spoken, should be an advocate for a large standing army ; for if his other other opinions were to he adopted by the Government, they could only he enforced at the point of the bayonet, and no longer by the law of the land. With respect to what bad taken place at Liverpool, he thought that the lion. Gentleman had ar rived at a correct conclusion ; and he himself was of opi nion that numbers alone were not a sufficient guarantee for a free and fair election. What he contended was, that the ballot was the only security against such misconduct. With respect to Preston, he certainly w.ts sorry that the distinguished gentleman, now a member of his Majesty's Government, had not been returned, as far as the personal merits of the Hight lion. Gentleman were concerned; but still he thought that the electors, having but two dia. tinat questions concerning the ballot or the Corn Laws, and the Right 'lion. Gentleman having stated that he could not conscientiously vote for those measures, bail done themselves signal honour in returning another gentleman, whatever his opinion of the gentleman who had succeeded might happen to be. With respect to the petition, he had been requested to give it his support in the House, and he did so with the greatest pleasure ; •and as a proof of the good - feeling that pervaded the meeting, he might mention that when his lion. Friend (Mr. liu►ne) had at .ted with regard to the Church, that he did not seek its spoliation, but only a commutation of its revenue, the sentiment was received with general applause. . . . Mr. TENNYSON . expressed his surprise at hearing the opinions which fell from the Right lion. Baronet re• specting Reform. He believed that the desire for Reform pervaded all places, and he believed that a full, efficient, and complete Reform must take place. That was neces sary for the salvation of our institutions,. and to give con tentment to the people. Ile had of late mingled much with the people of all classes, and be was sure that was the universal sentiment. Amongst the great majority of the well-informed classes at present the only .apprehension was, that Reform would he too long delayed, and would not go far enough. That was the opinion and the ap prehension of the upper classes as well as the middle classes. At the numerous public meetings which had lately taken place, not one person bad proposed to make any amendment to a resolution for Reform ; and whenever the opposite question bad been mooted the speaker had not been listened to. He did not believe that any person could be found to vote against Reform except such persons as those Noble Lords who could command us many votes as were possessed by the Representatives of tire counties. With the exception of such persons, 19.20ths of the whole population were in favour of Reform, though they might not all go the same length. Sir R. WILSON agreed with the petition as far as Reform and economy was concerned, hut be disagreed with the petition, and with the Hon. Member fur Britt port on the subject of ballot. He bail on a former occa sion expressed his opinion on this subject, awl he did not like to sit silent, lest the Hon. Member should suppose that his arguments might have influenced him to change his opinions. Ile had before referred to America, and some other States where the ballot was in existence, and heel shown that it had not answered expectations there. He had since received a letter from a person of the highest respectability, who had been informed by a merchant of America, " That America had experienced the greatest evils from the election by ballot ; there was a general impression in that country that it would be found necessary to abolish it altogether, and he expected that a measure would soon be proposed to effect it." In' Virginia, lately, where a Convention had met to consider what changes it was nece►sary to make in the existing institutions, including the Legislature, it was pro poleti to adopt the ballot, but that proposition was com pletely rejected. It was requisite that the representative should know the opinions of those who delegated their power to hiM, he should know all their opinions, and he could not do this if they voted by ballot. He should know the feelings of the different parties among the electors. He further objected to the ballot that it did not necessarily preserve secretly. Ile knew that the question was gaining in favour with the people, owing to the example of France; but it ought to be recollected, that in France there were only 80,000 voters, and in France it was of great use in protecting the voters against the power of the Government. But, as the ballot existed in France, would Members wish to have it here? Would the lion. Member for Middlesex have the House of Commons vote by ballot, as the Chamber of Deputies voted? Would the lion. Member be contented that his vote should be unknown ? 'Would he like to have to say. " Oh! I lissom you I voted for that ques tion ;" instead of seeing his name in those printed lists that were now circulated ? It was not a system which could be applied to that House, and was, therefore, plainly imperfect. It was a new-fangled passion of a cer tain class of doctrinaires, who imagined that they had found out, in the nineteenth century, a remedy for all abuses. If it were introduced into that House, it would overthrow the Monarchy, and to such a proceeding be would be no party. Ile was town under a Monarchy, and so he wished the country to remain, and he should always oppose the introduction of the ballot. _ ill r. 011 110USE7ho;tgl;i the arguments of the Gallant General did not proceed from reason, and were not addressed to reason. It would be more useful to appeal to what had been done in America, than to what an individual said the Americana were going to do. In the United States, at the first beginning of their independence, open voting had y been universally a d opte d. — (" N o ," from Sir ft. Wilson ) Afterwards, a s a lt erat i ons were success ively made in the instit!ttions of th at counts , the vote by ballot was gene rally introduc e d. I n the state of New York that was not attended to as a permanent enactment; but after it had been for some time tried, when the time came to re-model the Constitution, the plan of voting by ballot was pre served, and WS$ continued to this day as most expedient and useful, and was employed at all elections. France, to which the Gallant General had also referred--France, that " bad example," as it had been called, would not give much support to hie argument, The paucity of the number of 830. PRICE 7D. votes to which the Gallant General bad referred, was the very fact which made that example so very precious. lithe Government had been unable, with fourteen thousand places under the Crown—with electors only amounting to seventy-eight thousand—to intimidate the electors ; if sixty thous end of those electors might have been under the eontroul of the Crown ; if, under such circumstances, Fran c e had been able to achieve its freedom, her disposi tion to employ it has been strengthened by that glorious result which had given freedom and strength not only to France, but to all Europe. Supposing that France had had no ballot, could the electors have dared to vote as they dill ? It was one of the charges against the unfortunate men who were now put upon their trial in Paris, that they had vio- Wed the secresy of the ballot, and there could be no doubt that they had. France, however, by that simple contriv ance, the ballot, had secured her own freedom. In Eng land there were more electors than it , France, and more of them were liable to be influenced than 80,00. The 80,000 electors in France possessed at least one quality, which was not possessed by all the electors of England. They were all men of independent property. In this country there were comparatively only few of the electors who were independent in that sense; they were not persons of property, and for such -voters there was no other pro tection or secutity but the vote by ballot. If it were not secret it was not the ballot, but some imperfect imitation of it, for secresy was essential to the ballot. He knew that at the India House the ballot was not secret ; the voters told how they voted. To that he had• no obj e ction. If people . to tell their votes, he would allow them to, do .se ; but . lug._ like to tell how they voted, then he 'wi',6l4-tive them tected, and the ballot would protect them. The Gallant General asked if the Hon. Member the Middlesex would like tie ballot applied to the House of Commons—if h.r desired secret voting for the Members of that House? 'He would answer certainly not. There was a wide distinc tion between the cases, which the Gallant General could nut possibly overlook. The House of Commons, repre senting the people, appealed to public opinion ; it de pended on that, and therefore the votes of its Members should be given openly. They ought to be subject to the influence of public opinion, but the voters ought not to be subject to undue influence, end to guard against that the ballot was useful. .This was not his argument, at least he did not state it for the first time—he drew it from the works of that profound philosopher, whose works die played more acumen than he believed those of any other author of the day—he meant the celebrated historian of India, Mr. Mill. The arguments of the Gallant General showed that he was not yet acquainted with the elements of the question. He complained of the ballot system en couraging guile and ba.eness. Did not the present system also beget perfidy and baseness? Was there nothing in it to make men ashamed? Was there no room in it for the exercise of tyranny ? Was there no guile—no perfidy.— no baseness in a man going to the hustings, and there tell ing, and there acting, if he might say so, a lie, by giving a vote to a man whom. he did, not wish to vote for—by giving his vote against his conscience, and what be thought was for the public good? Was there in that no perfidy to the voter himself and hie country? There was much perfidy—much guile ; and that was the cause of the corruption svhich disgraced the House of Com mons, and which had reduced the country to that state out of which the new Government was called upon to extricate it. As to what the Right Hon. Baronet had said last evening about the demands of the people, he did not believe that in those demands there would be any excess. There might he a difference .as to terms ; but there was now a plain necessity to do what the people wished. It was not possible to stop short, and he be lieved that they would not be contented with anything short of the ballot. He would not then say whether they were correct or not in forming those wishes, but it would not be denied that the opinion in favour of the ballot was nia'.;ing great progress. He wondered the Gallant General, who must know something of popular elections, had not found out what a protection it would be for voters. lie, himself, knew something of popular elections, and when he had gone to canvass the electors of Westminster for the Hon. Baronet, of whom be was then the colleague, he bad more than once been met with the question, " Do you want me to ruin my family? I would willingly vote for the Baronet—l am friendly to Reform ; but I dare not vote as I wish."--(hear, hear.)—More than once had he seen people shed tears. It was not only against the rich that the ballot -would he useful, but neighbours and employers exercised the power which an election gave them, to compel the people to vote as they liked. The question of Reform, however, was now in the hands of Ministers, and there he wished it left, not call s ing on the Government to explain its plan, or embarrass ing it by opposition,--(hear, hear.)—Let the Ministers only speik nut fairly; and if the country did not agree with their opinions, they would soon hear of the disagree ment in such a manner as honest Ministers should hear. The country expected relief; and expected it from the hands of the Ministers. Reform must be given. The Ministers were pledged to Reform. The general opinion of the country was in favour of Reform ; and if the Mini sters acted on that principle, they would be supported by every intelligent man in the country. As long as their opponents—the members of the last Government—cons tinned to be opposed to Reform, be was sure that every man in the country would exert himself to keep them out of place ; for the country would look on their return to office as one of the greatest curses which could befall it. No man, nor set of men, could now carry on the Go vernment by any middle course. The country could not any longer be governed by a corrupt Parliament ; and if the Parliament were not reformed, it could not be go verned at all. The people would no longer bear the pre sent state of the representation. If the Right Hon. Gentlemen below him (Mr. Ilohhouse sat on the epposi tion side of the House) believed that they could govern the country by any new system—if they did show any disposition to try again their corrupt system, they might make some sacrifices—but they would find that they could not succeed, and that it was too late for their plan. They must either have recourse to pure despotism, or they must go with tie people. There was no middle course. They might try to have recourse to their old system ; but they would never afterwards repeat the lesson, as they would find that the people would not listen to their voice. He agreed with the petition as far as it demanded an effectual Reform and the institution of ballot, and gave it his cordial support, though there were some minor points on which there might be a differenceof . opinion. . Mr. 1). W. HARVEY declared, that when he was con vineed that the feelings of the great body of the people were so much in favour of ballot as they were in favour of Re form, he, for one, should never oppose it by his vete.— When it could be shown to him that the respectable body be represented were friendly to the ballot, ho would yield his individual opinion to the general opinion. He re gretted, however, to find that other gentlemen, whose motives he respectd, and whose real be honoured, should find in the ballot a remedy for all things, and a Reform no remedy at all. This was, he thought, an ungenerous sentiment, and it was telling the people—for what was spoken in that House got abroad—it was telling the people that it was of little importance iu the opinion of those gentlemen that Ministers meant to propose Reform, and it was decoying the public mind from a due and calm consi• deration of that Reform which Ministers meant to pro pose. 'T he advocates of the ballot seemed to him to fall into error. They had alluded to Liverpool ; but did they suppose that after the Reform the election for Liverpool would be in the hands of the same class of persons as at present ? Would it be so equally balanced by parties, that a little knot of ten or fifteen voters should at the end turn the scale ? Would it not be so balanced that a corrupt body should make op a tally in the street, and that an attorney and an elector should say, " I can bring them up, but I must name my own price." In all plans of Reform that he had heard of, the elections would not be left in such hands.—(Hear, hear.) Ile relied that the character of the electors would he im proved, end though lie would not vote for the extinction of any one elector, he trusted that no person in possession of property would be excluded from voting whenever a Re fin m should take place.—(Hear, hear.) Was it to be sup posed, that when all the respectable and opulent inhabitants of Liverpool, containing 140,000 people, had a share in the representation, that such disgraceful scenes would occur as at the late election ? If it were true that the Americans were about to abolish the ballot, that was no reason why we should adopt it, He was surprised at the existence of ballot in a Republic, and he thought that with a ballot a Republic was incomplete. In a Republic the basis of its institution was public .purity, and in it pa triotisni was virtue. A Reform would also extinguish the influent.e phi& ixow corrupted the elestions, A Mom w Id weep away those Arra were corrupted. Great and little men, landlords and tenant.. masters and servants, employers and tradesmen, wooll kave but one interest—that of good Government ; and se cretly would not be necessary to induce them to follow one interest. He would not, however, go further into the subject, though he must say he did not consider the argu ments of that celebrated essay by Mr. Mill, to he inipreg liable; and he should be ready when the queeti , n was dis cussed to explain his view.. If gentlemen thought Re form incomplete without ballot, they would be better aide to obtain the ballot after the Parliament was reformed ac cording to the plan of Ministers, than while it was in its present state. If after the plan of Reform were brought forward, the public still found themselves under the in fluence of terror, surely that Reformed Parliament would listen to the public voice more readily than when there was no hope of Reform. Mr. CALCRAFT only rose to express his astnnisli ment at the attack which the Hon. Member for West minster had made on the Government of the Duke o. Wellington, and those who had formed part of the Mini nistrstion of the Doke of Wellington. The Honourable Member had spoken of that Government as if it had con ducted itself only by the principles of corruption, and as if he could not heap upon it too many disgraceful epithets. The Hon. Member had stated that the Duke of Welling ton had so governed the country, that if his Administra tion were again to be pieced in office, he must have re course to a true despotism, because he could not govern by the old means of corruption. The Government of the Duke of Wellington was at first very popular, and it deserved to be so. That Government had repealed the Test and Corpo ration Arts ; it had emancipated the Catholics; it had re duced taxation ; and it had carried the principles of economy to a greater extent than he had ever befiwe witnessed. Great credit was due to the Duke of Wel lington for his management of the national affairs. lie had never before heard that of all the measures of the Duke of Wellington's Administration, there was not one that was not carried by corruption. He would wily beg his Hon. Friend, if he again made such accusations, not to ge neralise so much, but to enter into pirticulars, to point out individuals, and bring forward proofs of his assertions. Ile lorroprollthro wished to ask the ot H r, ;. Member tist the ti county Middle sexvea one question. Was it true, as now stated, that when Mr. Byng, who had re resented the countiof Middlesex fox ideasiengti t d tWris Hon, Friend , if It were true that he Wee SO violently opposed. that he waa on listened to when he attempted to address the meeting.? If that were so, he would only say it was very harsh treat ment for an old public servant.—(Meer, hear.) Sir .1. NEWPORT was sorry to hear his Right Ilort. Friend give the Duke of Wellington credit for actions for which none was due. Did the Duke of Wellington begin the repeal of the Test Act? Certaiuly not; he did nut agree to it till he was forced. He admitted that the Arlini, nistration of the Duke of Wellington was populae at the outset, but his Administration had ceased to be popular. Why was that? Because the Duke of Wellington had re, listed the wishes of the people for Refortn.—(Nu, nu.)— fie had ceased to be popular because he had declared that. he would resist their wishes. If the present Ministers should resist those wishes,—if they did not, gratify those wishes—they would show thiamine unfit for the situa tion they held. The great military achievements of the Duke of Wellington made the people expect Much from his civil government, but they were disappointed, though his military glory cast a hope over his civil govetument, which had never been realized. His civil government never deserved any credit, and he believed no military man ever would make a good civil governor. Mr. CALCRAFT explained that he had been one of those who had forced the repeal of the Test Act on the Government • but though they had carried the question in that House, they had ad hope of carrying it through the other House. That was done by the Duke of Wellington, and therefore he attributed the'carrying of it to him. Mr. WESTERN thOught the most important point in the petition had not been adverted to. It began by al luding to the very great distress in which the country was now plunged. In his opinion, that was the subjeetwilicli ought most to attract the attention of the /louse. He thought, however, that all the difficulties and distreeses of the country proceeded from the alteration of the cur rency. They commenced with the alteration of the cur rency is the year 1819, and they had fluctuated with it up to that moment. He was so thoroughly convinced that the only remedy for the distress' was to be found in an alteration of the laws on that subject, that if no other Member took up the subject, he should certainly bring It before the House immediately after the holidays. Sir R. INGLIS said, that as he was not likely to have another opportunity before the holidays, he felt himself called on to express his opinions on a subject which was at present made the source of considerable excitement in the country—the question of Parliamentary Reform. He be lieved, and he Made the declaration without hesitatioei that the sentiments of the great body of the intelligent and well.educattel persona in the community were net enure fa. vourable to Reform at this moment than at any given pe riod within the memory of than...-.(!hear, hear, and a laugh from 'the Ministers.)--The multitude—the unedu•• cated and unthinking classes, might entertain opinions at the present crisis somewhat differing from those they held six months ago, or from those they would probably held some six months hence.--(Hear, and a laugh. )—He did not mean to deny that from certain peculiar events ,that the advocates for a Reform in Parliament were just now more in favour with a portion of the people than they bid been a short time since--(!hear).-.best he looked forward with martini* to the speedy return of a sound and healthy state of public opinion on that question.—(llear.) Mr. BERNAL felt strongly inclined to ask the Hon. Baronet, the Member for the University. of Oxford, who the persons were, and in what class they were to be found, who he denominated the intelligent portion of the cornmenity.—( Hear.) And he would he glad also to know at what period all classes had so loudly demanded, and were in fact so absolutely clamorous fora Reform of Perliatnent.—(llear. ) Ile thought that the intelligence of which the Hon. Baronet spoke was to be found in the middle classes. They were the person* who now de. mended a Reform of Parliament ; and if the present Mi nistry did not make up their minds to grant thee* cancel - 'ions, which were required from them by the universak voice of that class, he saw no prospect of permanency in power for them, nor for any other party which might lit called to take the helm of affairs in England.—(lletr., Ile was no advocate for what was called Radical %limn ; but be wished to us the intelligence and the property (if they pleased) of this country fairly and truly represented in Parliament; for as the House was as that moment con stituted, no man could say that intelligence and property were thus fairly represented. Mr. TWISS said he could not well understand why the observations of the Member for Oxford had been receded with a laugh by those who entertained a different opinion. It was by no means certain that the feelings of the people were so universally in favour of Reform as the present Government seemed to suppose. A my short time would, however, enable the House to go into a discussion of that question, and he should reserve himself fur that occasion. At present, he would merely say, that the Members of the present Government would be more fen-tu• nate than any of their predecessors, or that created mar ever bad been, if they euceeteled is proposing a planet Reform which would be equally acceptable to every claimer Reformers.---(Hear, hear.) If the whole of that chase persons were to be polled, taking in the advocates of UM moat Suffrage and Vote by Ballot on the one hand, nor the most moderato Reformer of general existing abuses the other, he believed a much greater number of the peep of this country would be foetid willing to vote for the continuance of the system as at present, with all its faults than for any other which could be proposed to them.— (Hear.) Mr. W. DUNCOMBE was net disposed to agree with the lion. Member for Oxford, that the desire for Reform had not increased. lie believed that some Reform roar necessary and that the desire for it had lately made con aiderable progress in the country. Mr. ATTWOOD did not believe it possible for the Gis t v i e le rn ir m p e r n o i fe t s o si g on o s. so. f a a t r u lu ch th a e s y th p Z n a li r w e d di i s li pose em d for tl iai b ty na w st it,l 4 and to vaunt their new born popularity, it rested, in hie opinion, on a very slippery foundation, and he was confi dent they would not long be able to retain possession of the popular confidence.—e(Hear.) They refused to look into the real cause of the distresses of the people, although they vaunted so much their desire to relieve them. in the petition which was before the Home, a prayer was to be found for an alteration of the Corn Law*. He always felt grieved to see the atteutiou of the public diverted in this manner to the discussion of fallacies, because they were diverted from the real cause of the distress. . The Corn Laws, so far from being injurious, bad really tended much to diminish the injurious tendency of the interference with the currency. The principal object sought for at the pre sent moment seemed, however, to be Reform...for the ballot, so loudly demanded, was nothing but a new principle of the old question of Reform. Now he would just call the attention of the Government to the last passage of the petition now presented. Ile would desire those who profess themselves determined to flostroP the popular current, to look to the words at the petition in which it is declared that unless a Reform be groattedu* the extent which, in their wisdom, will be uontedrld " I ficent, the refusal will be speedily felleyied by. a pqm-144