The Sun. — London, England, 1830-11-13 00:00:00

r• IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS, FitioAY, Nov. 12. The Earl of Onvoan and the Earl of Ita.nnuorrox (14te Lard Petersham) took their oaths and their seats. The Earl of OfIFOLtD presented a petition from King's Lynn, in the county of Norfolk, praying for the abolition Mkt Negro Slavery. Lord TENTEIWEN gave notice of the second reading 411 bid Common Law Bills on Thursday nat.—Lords to Ire summoned. Lord DilltflAlSl presented petitions against negro Oa. very from Durham, Stocktotbnpon-Tees, Bishop Wear mouths Bolton-tit-Spring, and Monk IVearmouth. Similar petitions were presented from North:mitten, Bolton, Caernarvon, end South Wales. 'Petitions of a like nature were presented by the Diabop of Bern and Wit Las, from parishes in Wilts, I3erks, and Suffolk; and by Lord Surrittr.o, from a parish in Norfolk. The Nelms Mmtouts also presented a petition from the uncertilicated bankrupts confined in the four Marshaisett Courts in Duldin, praying for the assimilation of the Irish end English Bankrupt Laws. KILDARE-STREET SOCIETY. The Marquis of ANGLESEA presented a petition froth the parish of Kileotner, in Ireland, praying, an itication of the method of distributing the fonds plsetA by Podia. *tient at the disposal of the Kildare-sttvet Society in Dub. lio. The Noble Marquis aupported the prayer of the pe tition, and observed that unless Government interfered, and adopted some of the suegestious which had been made to them relative to the future management of the funds of the Society, and the system of education, the whole oh, jects of those who wished to give education to the Irish people, would be completely frustrated. The propriety of the management of the funds of the Society hod been strongly questioned before he left the Government of Ire land ; and by a compromise between the contending par. tie., it was agreed that 25,000 f. should be placed at the disposal of the Lord Lieutenant, to be by him dealt with us he thought best for the accomplishment of the intentions of Parliament. He (Lord Anglesea), on learning the na. tore of the trust reposed in him, proceeded to make in quiries respecting the state of the schools; but on referring short time afterwards to the accounts of the.eapenditure of the Society, he found, to his. great serprise, that of the 0,000/. placed at his disposal, 16,000/. bad hen already expended by the Directors of the Society in advance, and that the remaining 10,0001. were also devoted by them to objects in 'rebid the Lord Lieutenant had not been eon silted. Under these circumstances, and looking to the dissensions which prevailed between the two religions with rvspect to the system of education, he thought that Pone ment should pause before it gave any more money for the same purpose —and that, at all events, no further grant should be made without the most minute inquiry. The Marquises of CLANILICARIM, Latisnowar., and the Earl of DARNLEY supported the petition. The Marquis of Downsutau and Lord CARustt rk pressed their dissent to it, observing that the school in question had been greatly productive of good to Ireland, and that there had been no misapplication of its funds. The Matilde of ANGLESEA had imputed no misap plication of the Society's funds. Ito had merely advised Parliament to know how these funds had been disposed of before it allowed a further grant. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE presented a petition from Galway to the same effect. OUTRAGES IN KENT AND SUSSEX. The Duke of RICHMOND, on the presentation of a petition against slavery, took occasion to advert to the debate which took place last night on the subject of the state of the labourers in Kent and Sussex, and begged to say * few words • in explanation of what fell 'from him on that occasion. A Noble Lord opposite (Lord Teyoliam) bad asserted that the farmers in the county of Sussex were compelled to raise the rate of wages in consequence of being subjected to intimidation from their labourers, • Now this assertion he had felt himself warranted in denying, at least with respect to the county of Susses. It might hero been so in other place', but in Sussex generally, he believed it was not the case. He did not then mean to say that there were not one or two places in which in timidation might have been used, but in the West of Sussex, with which he was connected, nothing of the kind hail taken piece or been attempted. What he relic then, however, for, was to give the Noble Lord (Trynitam) who had made the assertion, an opportunity of explaining the nature of the conelusiou he had drawn Prom the communicationa which be • had referred to.— The Noble Lord bad put into his hand'the letter:on which he founded his assertion t but lie thought tloit if the Usable Lord had attentively examined the terms of that letter, he would have come to a very different eonelueion. He (the Duke of Richmond) had nothing to do with the opinions of the writer of the letter, but he found it stated the facts thus ;—" The labourers called out for an increase of their wakes." It was then said to them, " But what will you do if the farmers refuse to grant that increase ?" " Will you disgrace yourselves, and your county as they have done elsewhere, by destroying the property of your masters, if they find they cannot make this increase?" " No, no," they exclaimed, " we intend, on the contrary, to support and protect our matters' property." " Well, but (it was said to them) that assertion of yours is not enough t will you put that in your petition to your masters ?" They said they were quite willing to do so ; and the farmers, on re retying this petition, (lid coorent to give greater wage. Nov this, he contended, exhibited nothing which could be coestrued into Intimidation. He was sorry to say, how. ever, that no man who heard the speech of the Noble Lord coeld avoid receiving the impression, that its expressions 'were calculated to inflame the Minds of the people, and aggravate the difficulties ht which the farmers were placed with respect to their labourers. Ile was one of those who thought the agricultural labourers of this country were not adequately paid for their services ; but he was quite certain that no course could be adopted more prejudicial to their interests and to the interests of their masters, than by making declaration, in that House, or in either House, which would lead the labourers to believe that their olt4 jests could be affected by intimidating their masters. It WWI because the people of Kent and Sussex were, un happily, in a state of excitement, that he thought nothing should, be done to widen the breach between the labourer and the farmer; for it could not bit too 4411 repeated, or too widely disseminated, that the interests of the farmer, the landlord, and the labourer,. were one and the same. Lord TEYNHAM was obliged to the Noble Duke for the opportunity be bad given him of explaining the mewl ing of what had fallen from him on a former evening. It wits very far from his intention to excite the people to violence. The meaning of what he said was thie—thet in consequence of what hail happened in Sussex end else where, the farmers had felt it to be right to raise the rite of wages; but be was at the same time fully prepared to., admit that it was necessary to put down every attempt at ietimidetion, and that the labourers must not he led to expect that they can obtain any increased sate of remintera tier' for their service s w i t h out t h e f u ll cement of the i r employers. What he said on the former occasion was merely this—that the labourer* bad demanded ,a higher rate of wages, and that the farmers thought it prudent to comply, The Marquis CAMDEN was , happy to hear the lan guage of the Noble Duke (Richmond) with relation to the attempts of the labourer, 'against their employers. He thought the declaration* on that subject would do goad, awl that it was highly necessary the labourers should know that any attempt- et Intinddatioa WM not approved of either by the Parliament or the country at large. He hoped, indeed, that the opinions of Parliament on this subject would go forth to the country, and that it would Ire understood bath in Kent and elsewhere, that no man of either House approved of such a system. Any under• taking to raise the wages of the labourer under such eir cunpitance* must fail, because thesmount wan much greater than the WHIM' at prevent could afford to pay. The Earl of DARNLEY said the disturbances in Kent could not like arisen from the lowness af the rate of wages, as it was a singular fart that the wages of labour were higher in the disturbed district than in any other place of the South. liAbelieved the diwturbances did not arise from an inadequate rate of wages, hut from the superabundance of labourers, and the want of einployinent. Throughout that part of Kent the wages of an ahle.hodied nun were two shillings a-day; sod if the farmers were di/posed to give v as he understood vine of them hatl agreed to give, two shillings and sixpence, then, in his opinion, the die. trees would be increased ; : because the farmer could not afford to e m pl o y solatanylabourere at two shillings and girnstunt at he had formerly employed at two abillinga. The Howie Adjourned at a Quarter after Six. ROUST Or COMMONS, FitirlAY, Nov. 12. Tint Srgetert took tirfShair at. Three o'clock. A greet ninolier of petition*, praying for the abolition of Negro Slavery, were preeenkd by different l‘feinber* from varioait parts of the country. A petition was presented, complsioing of nn undue re. tuns for the town of Wincheliice. NEWSPAPEIt STAMPS. Lortl IRIORPETI4 presented s petition:from the inha bitant'. of /11anchester, prey - Cog fur the atiolition, or coriki. &treble. reduction of the Duty on Newspaper Stamps and Dutiee. At present those stamps and duties constituted two-thirds of the entire cost of the article in question. The consequence awe, that it was monopolise) by a few persons, who thereby acquired great power of misrepre iwntation. To reduce the duties would increase the Re venue, in consequence of the much greater number of Newspapers that it would cause to be circulated ; and at the earns time it would give great increased employment to piper-makers,winters, and others. His Hon. Friend, the Member for 'Dover, bad last Session intimated his in- tention of making a motion on this subject. He begged to ask him it he meant to make such a motion in the pre. sent Session ? He owned that leS thought it would be highly expedient to adept a proposition, which, while it was calculated to increase the revenue, was also calculated to ditrttse that sound political and religious knowledge, Which was must essential to the maintenante bf good go vernment and social order. Mr. P. THOMSON rtid, That it was decidedly his in tention to bring fortlrd the motion to which his Noble Friend alinded, after Christmas. DISTRESS. Mr: BENETT presented a Delition from the inhabi tants of several parinbet lti Wiltshire, complaining of the great distress 'ender which they were labouring, and which they a'Aihuted principdly to the change in thh 'Currency, thid praying to be relieved front talration. The Hon. Member characterizo.d the petitioners as a mo , t loyal and well-disposed set of people, and expressed his conviction, that notwitKanding the temptation held out to them by whst this taken place in another part of the kingdom ) they Would not only refrain from outrage, but Woula be most active in repressing it. On the motion for britiging up the petition, Mr. R. GRANT wished to know what his Majtstyle Government intended to do in the way of the remission of tauation ? An idea had gone very generally abroad that it was intended to repeal the duty oh sea•borne coals. He begged to ask the Right Ron. Gentleman whether that was in contempktion? The MANUA:LOB of the EXCHEQUER olmetvca that 'his Right lion. Friend had, the other 'evening, stated the inconvenience that must always attend premature dis clothes of that natures lie Was sure, therefore, that his Hon, Friend (the Member for Norwich) would not attri bute his declining to answer the question to any want of courtesy. Sir M. W. RIDLEY had hoped, after what had passed last Session, that a remission would have been proposed of the duty on sea-borne coal. Ile still hoped that the result of the motion of the Hon. Member fur Limerick would tend to the attainment of so desirable an object. He was aware that this was not a time at which an extensive re mission of taxes could he expects d, end, therefiwe, that hopes ought not to be held out which could not be rea liztd. It was his film conviction, however, that a great advantage would cis° from remitting the taxes which pressed on industry, such as the duties on sea-borne coals, soap, candles, the house and window tax, and putting on a tax which would apply to the richer classes. Sir JOHN WROTTESLEY, judging from the report of the Committee, was of opinion thot a repeal of the Coal-Tax would be beneficial only to the great coal-owners. From the monopoly enjoyed by these proprietors of mines In the North, he did not think it probable the public would gain any thing by a remission of the duty. The people would be far more benefited by a repeal of some of the Assessed Taxes. Mr. DELI. (it was understood) declared that he did not consider lion. Members had any right to interfere with the coal.owners in the management of their own affairs. Mr. lENNYSON defended the conduct of the coal owners, but agreed with the Hon. Baronet in thinking that a reduction should be made in the assessed taxer. Sir It. WILSON observed that he was prepared to sup port a property tax, if all practicable reduction in the as• aessed taxes should prove insufficient to afford relief to the GORDON protested against Hon. Members at his side of the house encouraging Ministers to lay on a pro perty tax. Let that House take off the taxes first, and then. they would force Ministers to reduce the establish =anti. This in his mind was the proper course to pursue, anti not the reverse, as bad been maintained by Hon.Mem hers. He contended that the House ought to interfere in the arrangements of the great coal•owners to promote the public good. General GASCOYNE asked if it were the intention of Government to re•appoint the China Trade Committees? Sir It. PEEL said that the best mode of answering that question was to give notice that on Monday next he would move for the re-appointment of that Committee. Mr. BENETT, before bringing up the petition, ob• s.-reed that all taxes affecting production and industry should he removed in the , fist instance. He declined saying anything respecting a property-tax.—The petition wag then laid on the table. ELECTION PETITION. The Oxford Election petition was ordered to be taken into consideration on the 4th of January. ENGLISH PENSION LIST. Mr. GORDON aeketi the Right Hon. Oentletnsn, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, if it was hie intention, pre. vious to entering upon the discussion respecting the Civil Lief, to lay before the House the details of the English Pension List ? _ The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, Ilan. Friend must be ►►ware that the details of the English Pension Lint never were given. lUr. GOLIDON replied, that as his Right lion. Friend had, upon the present occasion, given many papers which were never given before, such as•papere referring to the &Welt Establishment ; and cons►dering the declaration made by Oavernmenr, that they intended to lay all infor mation before the House, he trusted the details of this list would not be withheld. • Mr. HUME begged to remind the Right lion. Gentle man, that when he made a similar demand in 1828, it tvas ONeeted to upon the grownd that the details could not be brought forward until there was a new settlement of the Civil List. He did not think a single shrilling shOuld be voted until all the information that might be re quired war laid before the House, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose and said :- 16 1 rise, Sir, in penitence of notice which I have given, to recommend to the House to fulfil the assurances which it has given to his Majesty, in its Address to the Throne, that it would provide all that may be requisite for the support of the civil Go vernment and the dignity of the Crown. lf, Sir, there ever was an occasion upon which a proposition of this nature was submitted to the House of Commons, attended with circumstances that might dispense with any thing of recemmendstion on the part of the individual moving ir, I am sure that this is the oecasion. There is no one whom now address, I am satisfied there is no one in the country, who will not come forward to state their wish to do all that is necessary to promote the comfort and dignity of the Crown. The people are at all times attached to the monarchy, and anxious to provide, not only what may be necessary for its proper support, hut even to maintain its accurtumed spies dour, and they take satisfaction in the splendour and dignity of the Crown ; but on the present occasion there is an added ' feeling of affection which animates all in the country, and assures me of the unanimous feeling of the perstele going along with me in making that provision for the Crown which it r, quires. In making this statement I do not protect myself against that scrutiny of the proposition which may be submitted to the House, and whieti it may be its duty.. On the contrary I am prepared to meet that examination in its strictest form; and I trust, that although objections m a y perhaps be taken—objections on the one hand that I may not be rivaling with sufficient liberality ; on the other of not sufficiently regarding economy, yet I feel That I sm steering that middle course between the two extremes of parsimony and profusion, which will gain the approbation of all reflecting minds I think, therefore, I may submit the proposition without doubt that the House will approve it. Sir, in making the proposition of this grant fur the public service to the House, I stand, in circumstances quite different from those who have attended the proposition of any former measure of the kind—circumstances in themselves creditable to the country and to Parliament—honourable to the cha meter of the King Ivhose loss we have bad so lately to deplore, end also exciting in the highest degree stir respect for the Kiug so recently seated on the Throne, , and fir whose dignity we are now called upon to provide. The first of these circumstances to which I would call at. tendon le, my having to stand in the situation of making a proposition of this kind to the House, and of being able at the same time to state that during the reign which leas elapsed there has been no period at which the Monarch has hurl to call on Parliament to provide for the debts of the Civil List. Sir, this is the first occasion since the inititution of a Civil List in Which it has been possible at the close of a reign to call on Parliament to recollect there had been no debt incurred since the period at which Parliament last made the arrangement. If Hon. Gentlemen will refer to documenta accessible to every one, they will find I am justified in the assertion I make—they will find that in the reign of Queen Anne the House was nailed upon to discharge a debt to the amount of 500,0001. They will find that in George the Pierer time the sum discharged by Parliament was one million. In George this Second's time the sum of needy half a million was diseharged by the House, and on account of the debts in curred on the Civil List, which had been created ht dm reign of George extending over so long a period anti under circumstances so peculiar to that reign the whole sum amounted to something between three and four millions of money. I repeat again, that I do think I stand before the House in a pecu liar and fortunate situation, in being able to congratu late Hon. Members that a reign has now closed, during which there lies not been upon the Civil List granted by Parliament any debt incurred. I say this is honourable to the Parliament by whom the original ar rangement was made--it is creditable to them that they 'tamed so accurate a staternent of what might be necessary to maintain the dignity of the Crown, that it became poll.tible for the Monarch to confine the expenditure within the sum so prescribed. But they leave further to congratulate themselves that it was not only owing to the extent of the grant, for thdugti the ex • tent of the grant was considered slacient, nevertheless, without a proper 'fellation it could net have been adequate. ParliaMent, therefore, which laid down these regulations for the Civil List, by which his late Majesty was enabled to prevent incurring any debt, are entitled to the gratitude of all those regulations *bin have led to the effect I have stated. NO Zan we omit upon this occasion to pay a due tribitte of praise to his late Majesty in leaving se carefully limited his expenditure--(hear, hear, and laughter)—l say, in having so carefully limited his expenditure within the sum which Parliament bad assigned him, and having by this upportnnity availed himself of the regulations which Parlament proposed at to avoid incut ring that debt which, in the case of his predecessors, since the institution of the Civil List, has uniformly followed...— (lleer, hear, hear, mixed with laughter.)—l say, Sr.' in the next place there is another peculiarity attending the proposition which I am now about to make to thp Home, which, whatever may be the feeling of the Honourable Member far Middlesex, upon the observations which I have recently made, will, I am sure, nail forth the appro. Nation and thanlosef the House. Westanel now in the situa tion of baying surrendered, by hia Majesty, a greater extent of revenue—revenue to a larger amount, rind comprising more heads flout has been at any former period when a Civil List has been called for. Not only does his Majesty surrender the heredi tary revenue, which was also surrendered by his predecessor, amounting at the present moment to a sum of not less than 800,0001. per annum, but his Ma jesty has also surrendered those casual revenues, the droita of the Crown and Admiralty, the West India duties, and those other casual revenues which have beretefiare been left to the distribution, and under the controul of the Crown. The value of these conces sions is sufficiently apparent from the papers on the table, and it is not only as to the amount of this concession I call upon the Home for its approbation, but it is be cause, if it were possible to suppose a case in which the revenues of the Crown could be applied to purposes which Parliament was net 4isposed to sanction, there would be those very revenues which would, without any doubt, be liable to suspicion and objection—and in the surrender of them his Majesty has not only met the wishes of his people, in wishing to reduce expense, but obviated objections that might have arisen. In the proposition which it will he my duty to make to the House, it will be in the first place my object to avoid the possibility and all probability of incurring debt after the arrangements shall have been once sanctioned by Parliament. I bold that the incur ring of debt after a Civil List shall have been established is the most disadvantageous to the Crown, and also the most unsatisfactory to the people. In the first place, the very name of debt carries with it the idea of miscon duct in the quarter in which it arises._(Hear, he ar. I do not say that in all cases in which debts have been in curred upon the Civil List, and brought before the House, the imputation has been properly made—far from it ; but this I hesitate not in saying, the very name of debt carries with it an imputation on the conduct of the party by whom it is made, and that it is not just or proper in this House in making an arrange ment, to make it of such a nature as shall probably , lead to the incurring of a debt, and casting that imputa tion on one branch of the Government which it is most de sirable to avoid. Sir, if there was an advantage in having a permanent Civil List, which I admit, and which every man who has considered the subject must admit, it is in having once assigned to the Crown the income which shall be found amply necessary for that service ; we are not then under the necessity of investigating the pecuniary transactions of the Sovereign, which though it maybe grati fying to some mind., is the most painful and unpleasant task in which any honourable and feeling mind can be engaged. I say, Sir, therefore, the House will act wisely in taking their whole foundation upon this, that the Civil List shall bean regulated for the time to come as to prevent the possibility of the incurring any debt by the Crown. The first point, then, that we shall have to decide will be what shall be the amount of the Civil List, which is absolutely necessary for this object. And, Sir, having cases of this kind, it is far more safe to be guided by the experience of the past, than to in dulge in calculations for the future. I shall propose, therefore, to frame the new Civil List rather with reference to past experience, than with reference to any new calculation, 1 might have it in my power to make, in the first instance, such changes and alterations as the altered circumstances of the Crown may render necessary, always, however, keeping in view the necessity of limiting the expenditureuf the Crown to that extent which Parliament may think prudent. Sir, if we look to the papers on the table, we shell find in them a statement of what was the full amount which his late Majesty had derived from the country for the purpose of Inviting the expanses of the Civil Li -t; and shall, in the first instance, state them to the House, in order that they may form a just comparison between them, and what I shall ultimately propose for the new list. By the Civil List Act which palmist) at the com mencement of the late reign, his Majesty received an annual specific allowance of 850,000/. for Eng land, for Ireland, 207,0001. and by . an Act which passed in the reign of his late Majesty, so much of the heredit ar y i ncome o f S cot l an d as h e t h oug ht neces sary to apply to the civil service of that country—,that amounted list year to 109,000/. It appears also, that in addition to the hereditary allowance of Scotland, Parliament thought it adviseable to leave those sums which his present Majesty proposes to surrender ; and it will he found that the annual average amount derived byhis late Majesty amounted to somewhat more , than 326,000/. In addition to this, to present to the House a fair compari son, I propose to add that which related to the diplomatic. service, amounting during the last year to 220,0004 The total of these sums, when taken together,, will amount to somewhere about 1,221,600/. That Num will amount to the annual expenditure of the late reign for the Civil List. Now, Sir, it is my intention to remove hem the new list certain charger heretofore imposed upon it, so which I shall advert at a future periOd. For the purposes of comparison it is necessary that timee should be deducted from the sums allowed to his late Majesty. Therefore, on account of them, I take off 160,000/. to answer fir charges which will not be made in the new Civil List. This will leave in round numbers about 1,056,000/. But now, Sir, as to my resolution, it will be not for grants for the different parts of the kingdom, but for one general grant for the whole kingdom,—(Hear, hear.) And on the subsequent arrangement I shall assign classes, for the purpose of presenting a clear view of the different heads of expenditure. What I propose for the purposes of the new Civil List is 070,000/.,' snaking a diffeeence.between the sum' now granted and that allowed to his late'Majesty of 80,0001.---(Cheers from the Opposition.). Let not the Hon. Member who cheers suppose that this is the only saving and economy which will be Effected ; and if he will listen to me a little longer, I will satisfy him that it i s fat from being the amount of saving and econonay'which we propose to submit to the notice of the House, In the first place there would be a saving to the State of 88,500/. a year, which was paid to his Majesty when Duke of Cla rence. There will likewise be a saving' of 16,000/. upon civil contingencies. This, then, will be en immediate saving to the state of upwards of 139,000 L upon the Civil List. But, Sir, besides, in the 'formation of this Civil List, it is to be considered that eoneiderahle payments are made on pensions, which, though it it not possible to get rid of immediately, will yet frill with the lives of those who now , enjoy them ; and that there are officers, for whom although we continue to provide, yet it is not our intention that their places, when once vacant, should be againsuispliedonAlentodi,, fr o m reductions of thi s nature previously end others lately agreed upon, we have a saving in prospective amounting to 13,0191. In the next place, the kith pen sion list will be reduced from 50,000/.. to 40,000/ per anutun ;making altogether, when thee l e reduetions . shall come into effect, a pecuniary saving of 1 61,000/. But, Sir, as I said before, this sum dotes not present a fair pic ture of the economy we propose to apply to the Civil List. All mess, Sir, must be aware that there are ez pences incident to the situation of his crescent Majesty from which his predecessor was free. The Aovereien, in the present ow, is blessed with 4 Royal Cosoort, who shares the affeetion and respect of the people with iris Most Gracious Majesty. And, Sir, I an, sate the House would not feel it proper to diminish the amount of the allowance which, for a cone iderableti g l i p d es ._ 4 (n ha4 r ia ) e f invariably granted to the Queen s of it nt In the reigns of George 11. and George ill. 50,000/. a year was allowed the Queen for the maintenance of her household, and I can see no remelt why we should for a moment hesitate to assign to her present Majesty the same allowance whi c h the previous Q ueens,, of England unit foray received. Nor, Sir, is the expenditure of the Queen limited to her dowry. It is obvious that tie King, like every other individual, must, when mar ried, add to his expences in every branch of his esta blishment. And it the House is disposed to feel sur prise that we have not announced a greater reduction in the Civil List, I beg theM to consider the different circumstances under which the two Monarchs are placed, and to take into account the expences of the Queen, not only for her household, but also to tentembet the diffe renee created by her prowtice in the general establishment, a difference tehich, 'by reference tai calculations made on 1 former occasions, lam sure I do nbt over-estimate in nam ing as an additional eipenbe equal to the allowance for her household and the maintenance of her dignity, The 970,0001, therefore, I have proposed, includes 100,000/. for the expenditure occasioned by the presence of her Majesty. There is also another breach of expenditure, which formerly was thrown on the public, but from which they are now free. On the death of George 111., in conformity whit the previous practice of making a pro. vision by way of compensation for the servants of the pre ceding Monarch, a pruvislon was made for the servants, and this not upon theCiVidList of his successtir,bUt en the Consolidated Fund: Twenty-one thousand pounds was charged upon the Consolidated Fund t•i pay a compensa tion to the officers in the household of George 111. ; and 19,000/. upon the death of Queen Cloo•lotte was charged upon the Consolidated Fund for a similar purpose, making altogether a charge upon the public of 40,0001,, which the country thought it proper, and expedient, and honour alile to take upon itself. On the present occasion, how ever, his Majesty takes the whole compensation to the servants of the late King upon himself.—(Cherrs.)— His Majesty has been graciously pleased to adopt into his own service, as far as possible, all the servants of his predecessor—that is to say, all who were capalde of performing the duties of their station ; and, there fore, lie has considerably reduced the amount of compensation for which it is necessary to provide. Hut, Sir, notwithstanding this reduction, there is a charge of between 4 and 5,000/. remaining which his blaj:sty will himself provide for, and thus relieve the pub lic flout a charge imposed upon them in all former reigns, and which in the last amounted to 40,000/. In calcu lating, therefore, the economy applied to the Civil Lint we must not forget, Sir, these two last circumstances--I mean the whole 'provision for the expenditure occasioned by the Queen, and the compensation to the servants of the late King, for whom it is indiopensible to provide. Such, Sir, being the saving we propose to effect by our arrange ment, I shall now advert to that arrangement under which we propose the new Civil List. I know, Sir, that on this point there is a great variety of opinions, and I remernh r that a Noble Lord opposite, early in the opening of the Session, expressed a hope that the Civil List now to he presented to the public would be confined merely to the personal expellees of the Monarch. I, however, after much deliberation, and after weighing maturely all matters con nected with the question, must say, that it appears to me it is not expedient to separate the ;nitrate and personal ex pences of the Monarch from those incurred in his capacity of Chief of the Government of the State. First, it is difficult to draw the precise line between .the charges in• curred by the Monarch in his individual capacity, and those incurred in his public capacity as the person ad• ministering the Government of the country ; and, if it were possible, I do not see that it would he advisabl e io as to separate them, as long as the Civil List could be regulated in such manner as to present a fair, full, and distinct view of the expenditure. Therefore, Sir, I say I cannot see the particular object of separating these two branches of the Civil List. Ido not therefore propose to withdraw from the Civil List all those charges which have hitherto been considered as belonging to the bead of the civil expenditure. I have been anxious t o a v o id one of tl , e closes of objections now applicable to the Civil List, namely—that 'which relates to the difficulty of finding the amount of remuneration given to civil officers whose sa- larks are paid partly out of the Civil List and partly from other quarters. I shall, therefore, endeavour to remove from it those salaries which have have been chiefly paid from other quarters, and the' diffrence of which only has been paid from the Civil List : so that by the plan which I now propose to adopt the salary of ever) particular offi cer wiz be made to appear in each of the particular funds from which it is chiefly paid. Where the larger portion of the salary is paid out of the Civil List I have annexed to it those smaller portions which are paid from other funds, so that those who may wish to ice what is the amount of any particular salary can see. it at once, by reference to the Civil List expenditure, without being obliged to have re course to more than one set of papers for information. I also think the present mode of making deductions from several payments, with a view to form particular funds, to he vet) , inconvenient : there is something not very easy to apprehend in the payment, on the one hand, to a particular officer of a very considerable salary, and, on the other, in taking from that officer, at the time of making the pay ment, a considerable sum to be applied to future purposes. I propose, therefore, that all charges and deductions from all salaries shall be omitted on the statement, and that the salaries shall be stated at the precise amount, so that the Civil List shall shew to tha puldie what is the actual amount applicable to the particular services to which the several payments are math. I have stated that I prop' se to transfer to the Civil List the payment of thoseselaries the larger portion of which is now chargeable on that branch of the expenditure; and Lahti propose to transfer to other funds those salaries only, small portions of which are now paid out of the Civil Lust. The first of the latter class is the salaries of the Judges. But a small portion of these salaries is now paid from the Civil List, the larger portion. h,ing derivable from the Consolidated Fund. These salaries I therefore propose to transfer entirely to the Consolidated Fund ; and if there was any choice front which fund those salaries should be paid, I should think that it would be freelt from objection that the emotu• ment‘ of these officers should be derived from a fund the least liable to the controul of the Crown. I propose the same thing with reference to the Speaker of the House of Commons-1 may say with reference to all the other pay ments of salaries standing on the same footing. In the same way there are certain charges, of which by far the greater amount is defrayed by entitle, votes of this House, but some portion of which is also taken from the Civil List. These I propose to withdraw entirely front the Civil List, for the purpose of adding them to the several funds from which the greater portion of their amount is now paid. These three several sorts of payment' will amount to 166,000/., which I shall withdraw from the vote I intend to ask as the vote for the Civil Pot. Such are the prin ciples of the arrangements which 1 shall submit to the House as the foundation of the plan of the new Civil List ; but perhaps the House will pardon me if I po a little snore into detail on the several classes into which I propose the Civil List shall he divided. These classes will be ten in number. The first class will consist of his Majesty's Pr ivy Purse and of her Majesty's establishment. This class, in stead of being 60,0001., as under the late King, will now amount to 110,000!., a sum which was alvvays charged so long ago as before the reign of George I. The second head or class of expenditure is that of the salary of the peat Officers of the Household—of the Household Establish nient--and of the officers connected therewith. This makes up a sum of about 140,646/. ; and that sum will comprise *abides which before were to be found under other heads. Among these are the Gentlemen Pensioners, and certain Officers of CeiVmony, which appear to me better placed here than elsewhere. Under this head there will be observed some reduction of amount from that which was stated for similar . charges in the former reign. With re. spect to the Household itself, the third head of the expen diture, there will not be any actual reduction of expen diture-1 mean in the hills of the tradesmen who aupply his Majesty. I know that the Hon. Member for Middle. sex will say that there ought to be some reduction in that respect, with regard to the present value of provisions. acknowledge that there has been a d e cre ase i n th e pr i ce o f and in all the n ecessar y art i c l es o f lif e, s i nce the agreed to; but whil e I a d m i t t h at to b e ' tPlastrie7fCaliciivt°,inllgiLmisutswt was s t the same time remind the lion. Member that some increase was necessary on account of her Ma jesty. li have, therefore, in addition to the expenditure of his hiJjesty, brought in, under this heed, that of the Queen ; and I think that if the bills now paid are carefully computed with those formerly charged, there will he found to have been en actual reduction, although that reduction is not at once apparent, on account of the cause of inereseed expenditure to which I have already referred. The amount of this 'class of expenditure will be 210,6001., nem which exhibits an apparent increase on the former Civil List ► but which, in reality, is less, since the present estimate in• eludes the expellee of messengers, and other items of the Civil Department, which I have thought it more convenient to place here, instead of letting them remain under other heads of expenditure. The fourth clan consists of the Royal Bounties, Charities, and Special Service Money, and these come more nearly within what are properly called the particular expenditure of the Crown. The amount here is the same as before, 22,2601. The fifth dun con. aists of the pensions on the Civil List, This item was fixed by Mr. Burke at a sum of 94,000 f., but in the pre sent Civil List it will amount to no more than 74,2001, the difference between the two being those eh.irges which are deducted front the Civil List, and carried to other heads of - expenditure, on the principle 1 hive already men. tioned. The sixth eine comprises the expenses of Foreign Missions and Atinidgre of State. I hare stated that in weighing the diNerent arguments for excluding thecae charges frottrthe Civil List of the Crown, my feelings have preponderated in favour of retaining them under thin head of expenditure, and I therefore present them to the House as part of the expence of the Civil List ; and whatever opinions may be entertained on this point, I have no doubt that with respect to the amount required for this head of. expenditure, the House will be satisfied with the sum which is now proposed for the payment of this particular service. Under the former arrangements of the Civil List, the third class, with which the sixth class now corresponds, comprised not only the expense of Fo reign missions, but also the salaries of a portion of the present Consular establishment ; and the House will also recollect, that in addition to those who were then Minis ters at foreign Courts, with salaries, we have been latterly called on for additional Ministers to the 'new States of South America, and that these Ministers were, of course, not provided for in the Civil List of 1820. This class of public servants, with which we have now to deal, corn. prises the representatives of the King in all parts of the world, hut does not comprise the Consular establishments, fir reasons which I will presently state. In the former Sossioh of Parliament, when the question of diplomatic expenditure Was under consideration, I stated that endea vours were making by the Noble Lord at the head of the Foreign Department to bring the present expenditure within the amount which was provided for 18 Foreign Ministers, the expenditure for 25 Ministers, whose accession to our diplomatic costs the altered circurnstanc:ar of Europe and' America had rendered necessary. This class will show that what I then stated to be under rons:deratien, has been now done. In every foreign mission (with, at least, only two exceptions) a great reduction of expense will be found to have taken piece. The amount is now stated, at 140,0004, which was 165,0001. in the preceding year; and that year i . self exhibited a diminished expense, as compared with the sums required for preceding years; and when the detail of these estimates has been examined, I think that the House will agree with me that the Go vernment has been disposed to bring down these charges as low as was compatible with the rank of the individual employed and the nature of the service he was engaged in. If, in examining these items, persona will inform themselves of what are the emoluments of other Ministers resident at the gains Courts, they will find, though there are many circumstances necessarily rendering our Ministers more expensive than other Foreign Ministers at the same place, and though Englishmen are more disposed to travel and visit other countries than men of other nations, yet their charges are not superior, nor, in some instances, even equal to those of other Ambassadors. I have said that there are two exceptions to this rule. The first of these is Paris ; the other Petersburg!). They are stations where great expenditure is required beyond that demanded at any ether stations, so that we do not propose to withdraw from those Ambassadors the emoluments which they now enjoy. The reductions of which I have spoken cannot be immediately accomplished, so that tire diminution of expen. diture cannot come tato full operation till the Ist ofJanuary in the ensuing year. The reduction of the salaries, how ever, is not the only economy which we have effected. It will appear that the extraordinary charges, which are a great source of diplomatic expenditure, are now about to be brought within very narrow limits. Take the question of outfit, for instance, which in former Civil Lists was stated at 76,0001., and which is now estimated only at 47,000/. The expence of half outfit is also reduced from 50,0001. to 30,000/. On other charges there are like wise deductions, as in the cases of absence on account of private affairs, and in the allowances for conveyance of baggage, which are now reduced within very narrow limits. The details of what I have stated will be found in the papers I have laid on the tahle—papers which show that we have, in fact, adopted that economy which this House desired, and which the Government promised. With respect to the payments to be made in future on ac count of the Consular Department, 1 propose that a con siderable alteration shall take place. A sum of 30,000/. was formerly paid for the expences of the Consular esta blishment out of the Civil List, and 60,000/. from a vote of Parliament : I propose that in future Parliament shall provide all the expences of the Consular establishment try an annual vote. One of 'h, re. sane for my proposing this Is, the change in the regulation of that establishment that may at any time take place. A change in eur diplomatic regulations was recommended to Parliament not only by merchants, but by Hon. Members, who had no especial int rest in the recommendation, and who were actuated by no feeling but a desire for the good of the country.: That change led to a great increase of expenditure in the Diplomatic Department, and it appeared to the Noble Lord at the head of that Department, that that expenditure should be brought within our more limited means, and that it would he advisable to make its amount an item of the charges that were annually to be submitted to the vote of the Parliament. The total amount of this class of civil expenditure is now state I at 186,000/. fur the charges of Ministers on ser vice, and for the pensions of retired Ministers, including all the Consul, formerly residing at foreign Courts, toge ther with those new Console now appointed to Greece and South America. The seventh class consists of the small charges on the hereditary revenues of the Crown, Which always have been defrayed out of the Civil List, on which humorous remarks here sometimes been made in Parlia ment, but which are still necessary to be maintained.— These charges amounted to 13,7001. The eighth class re lates to the salaries of the gnat officers of state, who are now paid out of the Civil List. Among these are the Lord Chancellor, the Lord President of the Council, the Lord Privy Seal, the Commissioners of the Treasury. and the Chancellor of the Exchequer. In this class is to be, included that portion of the salari es o f p u bli c o ffi cers , w hi c h is now payable out of the Civil List of Irelmd and out of, the Consolidated Fund, so that the effect of this arrange ment will be, that alt these salaries can at once he seen from these papers. This class will form an item of 24,0001. The ninth class is the Civil List of Ireland. That Civil List amounted to 207,0001. in the reign of his late Majesty; but it is now reduced to 125,0001., and even part of that consists of charges for offices, the dura tion of which is limited to the lives of the present occu pants, and my plan embraces a proposal that will effect a further reduction from 50,000/. to 40,0001... With respect to the last class—the Civil List for Scot land—l do not think it will be found liable to any objec tions. , It chiefly consists of a provision for the heredi tary officers of State in that kingdom, fur the support of the Universities there, and for the piyment of the pro. lessors at those Universities—charges which have always , been borne by the Civil List of Scotland, and which areso moderate in their amount, that I am confident, when they come to be examined by the House, every one will be con. viuced of our disposition to reduce the expenditure within the narrowest 'Unita. This class amounts to a sum of' 51,0001. The Civil List, on the arrangement thus pro pied, will amount to 900,0004 of which ar, accurate es. limits wilt be found in the papers I now laY on the table. It is quite obv'oue, that in submitting an estimate of this nature, it is impossible not to leave an opening for some future contingency; and, adopting as a principle that which was acted on in 1820, 1 shall propose to take a vote for a sum above the estimate, in order to meet these contingencies. I shall, however, only increase the vote so far above the estimate as will he necessary to !weren't till Civil List from debt. In proposing, therefore, the sum of 970,0001. 1 shall propose a small excess, which is , nut more than necessary, because the Crown, having now assersodered the droits of the Crown. and the droits of the Admiralty, his withdrawn from itself the means which were before under its disposition, and it is not therefore unreasonable that a small additional vote sh..uld beat state to o f "I t c h! L these c i ° str i m sge u n a c t i" b t e lYabhliecht, in the and which, during the late reign, rendered a provi sion of this sort absolutely necessary. I have thus gone through the statement of the Civil List, which I am now shoot to submit ',Au the approbation of the House ; and I think I have shown th4l a considerable saving has been effected under the new arrangement. I may, perhaps, he permitted to state mare in detail what that saving is. In the first place, there .is an immediate saving of 188.900/., and then there is a contingent saving of 1112,000/. ; and moreover it should be borne in mind , that the Civil List has provided for charges which exceed, by the sum of 100,0001., there which were to be defrayed out of the Civil List of his former Maj e sty ; yet have *e been able to reduce !to much at a time when, from psrticu lar circumstances, the Civil List is burdened with aildi- tional charges to the amount of 100,0001. I cannot doubt that the House will be satisfied with this statement. I know that there is no disposition in this House, nor in the country, to refuse what is nrcessary to maintain the dignity arid splendour of the Crown.—(Hear, hear.)—l know, indeed, that the proper splendour of the. Crown is endeared to every clam of the people. If this is the" cafe, whatever may be the Monarch on the throne, I am sure 'at that sentiment is more than ever•'' the sentiment of the peopk of England, when they unite, as they have done, in the strongest expression of attachment to their present Sovereign, Who, whether, examined in his conduct, in the relations of domestic life, or in his public character, is en deared to,the best atfLctions of the people.---(Hear, hear.) The Right lion. Gentleman concluded by moving s reso lution, that the sum of 970,00 W. should be annually payable out of the Consolidated Fund for the life of present Majesty to support the expenses of his Civil Li.t. On the question being put, Lord ALTUORP said that be could nut vote oo this ul inelt riYewta°wB,toolo'nuiltrsvfioileslii'tcr adaoad) onykefetdavroliertctrplcobisiciieranainestiocutdr:ol,eo,l)wnistli alywitiiietinii theila,:it 04,:ta,ct titdie(wi:liixieliflbljip;ciiweclii,,,,h, In no: iti:R.fey.ci 10, as htet,,,luolih il stet,inat i e 3 rd,leo o'ill'i'''oifilucridifto4,l.Ai'iii)igitvo...)itivti initte,i_i{:tit ti m u e e nt tio of n twheitithoiguttli3Haln;nn.gGaentetrem°altun.Cvnltn°retunil onnrktilineg°44olt; this M tt p t ro lie P°s : d n u provisi ontedetas r: ,f r thehis plan.Civi 1 List of hi it s I w b o je w it be Ym fico o c r um t i h in e fu m lirt se ttil l ie v e present occasion. The subject into which the Right lion , posed of. He did did not think it possible for that line, or a Committee of the whole House, to go suflicienOto n r Hon. Gentleman had gone, should be examined in 1 slk C A that rntn'impossible Gentleman elmite°'n la ne st:' v 4:": t svi l so i e irpnabylotolatetinmtn'fe:hi Members olxeaasrenecessary si:bitnin itthalthr Yo r e' et. os t :y + teel : t l en t could vasefdetailsitb( not nr;' were uei olant: c loto l riw e ti't oe° a hetft i seza: l tt y ita°lßh°:tn'eti'onißish4vtiftilmYlgt'te' understand wot'iwhiche:°lll lion.:lieui ralra' lintG telt ih el'i el:Y),Gin throb °I It:P 64; dw t tgti ti nili 1 I' 1 d 4'ct: could come to no satisfactory result upon them. The Right Hon. Gentleman'a plan, instendof being asimphltd statement upon the demands of the Civil List, VA A statement snore complicated than ever. The flight flow Gentleman had added to the diffimity by his plan of bor rowing from one fund to pay another, for the peyote of lessening or increasing, according to circumstances On smount of the Cie it List- As far its he had been able tofu!. low the plan of the Ri..ht Hon. Gendeniaii, ix had not llet,,a able to approve of it in any degree at all. It would Waif' (t(01111 3 1..:1111 f rleel, e :etn n sawst,h.hi l lre), l s e n,loGillthuns r : 41.a adtln.hoort s teutbrb ou iliearnoi l iox d inicweitnielininto d consent tohnel ( t i o i g the nit y, vote c (a n in ro e t the forma w fo s t i r: e ; fi n d tr o h: : h t. i r c b u ctii •as now proposed ,. In pro m po a s n ed y , it t e h n e ta 011figehztpelnidnitni.orGwegleM411 bail e ld the Crown.—(Hemr, hear.)—Wliat was the rottqatnee co lt: r i d ? i l n Vh a y le t t l i m idte tt ayrdd t ievel if the Civil List was voted in the manner now proposed, the House would appear to ig giving to the Crown 970,0001., when, in pt ne t °f I ' 6 hear. )—llewhicli ec r ) e u l l a d ted to the t ° A t b lo m n e s rit'dmr"beihrriesseloff.fr,ll again, for matters which did not appertain to m l,is Maio!! hear edd .; 1 1 :e 'c' r snoeL paidll h e : h t i o m t h nf e :rl d tiphciammceseitvreice scenes inlvrbPa tt' ar d u f ilif; t I ! bile' n i c g e t u P i ii: l ° • - • .: bassad_o p i ri s an , ctoi l s i r ke the charges for Cowerls, were not to ht annually brought under the view of Parliament — ( nelr ' r h ea ea l r ly ) • man's plan, was, that if the change he propose! took pure, wou l d arise fr o m tht t iel l Oa e etni' l li o nel p el t i Yn on litvgi o n: l et ; u l cer :e a: l ' l l tl i eit g °l lJt gat 1 ilttflievdn.riGeli t r lb n li ll t i: le ' trl , • l time House woutml be in a great bt3te of confusion, e 0„ g ,..„ List supplies of expenditure being taken from the 1 ,1 "," n ig st iL:t pn - rki i hes t elet h n trrnan t t O l al l m l d e 'n e thun l b c ce l p C ia i g ne v ir l i t i e l Oi t yo L mffi li ff i ur a r o So t es rn::::stattlybethenVewhntaelhLentamchunl:ablir asig ds i' i l: m ;be:t: r h . tt i e t e irm " n' ' ' 0 1u:11. : 1 ? :1 11 1:411":1):1; s aa li • ri;n a i l l a i l i n ti ( ree i G paid with other branches of the expendit arc , bnn ri- Tate of that House. It appeared to him MO thebriOiriAn, tion of the Right Hon. Gentleman stead of giving a clear account of thriterrnmes List for the present reign, continued all that. c 00) , O f which had previously existed, wi h the except ion or,firma a few trifling amendment'. As the vote on tbdisrlo the was not to be taken to he woul d , n°l i Il an. ar House further than by rrpeAtiog, that be con ' . prove of the plan now brought forward by the Ilisit " Gentleman. his seat. The estimate of the , Civil List for 182 0 m _ l O , the observations H r . va ll t A ion li s N o E f It ''Ndmimibreit:'Le‘ol ritlhievii!l:'aed ijno:ture'PP:.°lEdhl had been referred to by the Right lion. Gentl't w o f e l founded on that made in IS lb. The exPeoc!" j ib). country was then too large. It scented to bi 1 10 (404 for tie House to None to a decision on the mid w i n g opinion of the Right Hon. Gentleman, willf t i o , to a further inquiry than it was now passible make , so p make. Ile thought that the House o ught to . . 1 of ration between the public and the private venueexpen'lo..ibia, his Alajesty, and not appear to grant hint A 1, t i : or,) was, in fact, obe consumed by otherse-- - ( 11 `!, bo or From the want of that separation In the PIO 7 . of dot Civil List+, much confusion had arisen, andlnnt7, . 0 ,, extravagance which bad drew!) the country in utterly ilo . in which it was n0w........(11ear, hear.) II iv g " , , k e oem posaible for any individual Member of ihetil"le,at 0 , t i m e from the plan of the Right Hon. Gent lionsnt. the ~..,,e, expenditure of money for the tonirittaillictioie foevatuituianv he tuent and for the public service. V t 1 cm;hi g like a fair rati' had eluded to had tekv e P h u' ee ' j " t o i n , - , h a d the °Pr" mate cou'd be made; involved' ' I e Ri lit lion. GO' reason to feel the satisfaction which t 1 V. .. . „ 0 II" mod therefore, iII . 1 tlenaan seemed ro antimil lito. ... ,- I to ray he foondsio fuller inquiry was necessary, in old er I bid] pati l ' 3 tof the manner in w ~ .„.., of a general imnprovernen Abboorp , the accounts were laid before the Ilonse. „to ~.0 „ ,o l o might appear to eome a ttifrng matter, b . s " l ' ot ` o r that it was really a mato r of imP 6ll. '':!_, 'of the ro.ie something was done to simplify the etatere n ew: _ to { ey accounts, the liouse would perrtually be __ l3 . l ; o holemmt difficulties, in their attempt to e ffect that. °Doe boil ettnni'.'in. °,,,f hsichpliitry:t them the }!:: itnheereisisnendsetbbeidconwf; which time country expected mat their liailne*,_ e iso re thi they would proceed with caution, and rego,n_olises Government time appointtnent of A Cdtlfillittee., Wil'ionigh into the details of the statement just snide"' Y . , witltc °t lion. Gentleman. expressing 3fr. liUbALEgreocauthirnrgottaltetnt ti,itiiisedsitleutranli::l.ot IPo.4,:SiidecliFl Right Hon. Gentleman. He confcroeti th 3 be 1 0041 he bad heard had much disappointed biob i e h ' en i lmtyll eir a i would disappoint the whole country. 11 . he im oljo t .7, the gracious declaration of his Illsjefty on `.. shop' the' the country . lie submitted that the House not" art .mu tte .• • ►to r e. respect for it, by calling on the bleatater. ... dee d/ f . , 1 , cordanee with that declaration. Ile war to s on i 0.. .: pared to do all that was necessary to prom' ~,`.'iwvn., of his Maj-sty, and to uphold the dignity ei l'! 7 t rhos the man had taken the course they present state of the country would alloy , :; ... u ree o f Id . , w ll a e n w is a h s b, pr a epa ia j rr es tl ty to w d it o h that uttnogx,thte fullest il:'," to aet, I :: rality. He could not think that the Itigli t ,_ o pertme vf o i on his own showing ; for he had rrferred te,,ted bitt:, Committees as the ground on which be 011)0;jr. me vio:d position. Reports on We subject lee" 11/1),,t hotsl,, 1812, and 1815. state the subject of them , to the Howie• w n ke oil l i , e . , lee time gradually increasing charge of t" voids t m lem .rti. , cause the price. of every necessary of li t e , 8- to "". su tO Ct ii h i l e eo e n t y u o l t ) i f e d a o le f p f l i z e ' r te r h d i e : ; aiii t ' c l e ja a i tr k u ue thse t dr w e e' w t o : f l be e 4 t t d u h Wd g e t th°lllUanoCtiefdrrei:ell°CreeeSll4bl7llr:Acvvi I I t Aidt,:rillrilrttl 14 b 11 , 11 : 1181 4 t 1, 1 f r;:'lad i v ): : a ri l C o le r ftfl i i: i'Pl l : 6 : 6 s r":4ll _ . .. 11:1 0 : lion of this fact, and then &elated thst % he ion!: mt char g e of the expenditure was OCCAAjOrdi 1 0 1 01 113 i O w l , of price of every thing in the canal'. i r o w to n t h, pected from the Right Hon. Gendeamon : , 0, s4 ;11 , in which the necessary articles of lii c 11 0 3 s etlese in jr.... a t t mpl o l ri!ei*.c: c itda Because'a: nt instead:t i i t 4 h : l u nf -ie. his il i ari that t : i l:he a 6 a l f:b e tP i db y x rauet p t bb' i c e i I : i ni te , etb i d xrre i i g Px t v u elP ela formationa: gee expenditure gdnltil t : rli : l : l , °P t B.l . l°°: : . :" . dril. , i'lbeibi ' ' - i 'eel c A lr; '1: r gj: li i rli idj tniltUCl iCin:sr;.ert, err i '}tlYl.lC- , n (t s throeo.l lij:8 least of some peltry reductions WhY d'''' 1 .0 Copt • ' i 00, le eer il " 1 1/ 41 ° e sierra of his hereditary revenues ; but whe e . 01 tii , os , that subject, he. ought to have stated what n it w ere 04 cessions made by William IV, al,ove those n'Ti. 1 ,0 1 1„, Iv. ? The paper be al II ~._.r. __tune) Imthl in . . ,01,0,-. , listed of thirteen items, which Virilliamu Iv' I rv, ll' i ; - five up beyond those given op by Grorg i e p o ijoer'' i t e sterile might be found at page 180 of th e • pred 1 . 1 ° t , Papers of last Session. The first item tc nor ete%:l H O l, ro 24l2 : 9 t p s i:r o ; t cr ' th t .i l el me t. 6 C DO t i , o uo W tn: n :4, tAA:vniAliincirA:ltsfiliroafilYti:AidatoB ivispiltoPoliwi.i whole of thou Lad already amounted to 2t44!. ; the third c,onsisteml of the Ail, for th e . of the Hierarchy. of the West Indic. Ab e n' t .,% h r o il l is et n at any future period the expence of :' , ) ;,0 001., 1 1 West ladies stoma amount to less than spl'i'ce rer, , , these duties should exceed that sum, the 0 : o m it e f i l l ; be appropm iated to the I"ublie Accouuts , 1 A0Y 1° ,,,, Ix enbetrarnusfit de°oll-4:141.;tr—,4441:ti in fact, there had been no concession, and 1 "„ r , /, COP' ... large man bad been taken from a portion att . t iuo • 0 h, , 1 that the kin; might grant pensinumm to 0110-Recti%4 he wished to favour. The next itallt " 1 ", et yearl? ° o General of Gibraltar, the r•et receipts of i ll if t ipok, only 1801.: this was a gift on the Pett. 4 l,ool4._ l9 e i tmoble acd liberal, and though the itllll IVall.anon i , ft 4 elide was wry important. He had bad "c'',:lo i.jegiO' l o K time* to complain of the manlier in whicl' t _,,,, r ec# 1 .1 4 taxes at Gibraltar . that l3 C might put rip e ii,li )eer e t t ie, ilia pocket, and on au avenge of the lil t " vie co tt . a „ h , a 0 1 '. sum might amount tap 9,0001. or mall*lo. 6ol * to le m w ot .. , or s e venue, or the Cro w n Mig h t *TOO t e". ne rsl ' ( ;0 1 nod the sum stated agaiost the ;Reetiver. _ lie 000 ; 1 ( 4 i Wax in respect of Green Wax, was 41. r , n i, o , to r St I The, Attorney of the King, 101 L ; tbe KirufeAl`ltee, taim4f. said the Conuoiesionets of the APO 01 '