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*bleb I hare received from the different otitports and resources ' this day, I have great reason to believe that the diminution will not continue. The Noble Lord concluded by moving a resolu tion, .‘ That the Committee should make good a supply to his Majesty, by voting 1,500,0001. from the Consolid ate d Fund." - . Ars GOULBL RN had looked forward with some anxiety to this statement of the Noble Lord . - If he had not been inclined before to make any remarks, he thought that the statement of the Noble Lord fully justified him in making one or two observa tions. The Chancellor of the Exchequer was satisfied to find himself .at the close of the year with a surplus no larger than 490,000/. ; a sum in no way sufficient to meet even the con. tingencies and expellees to which.the Government was liable— a sum infinitely less than any former Parliament had required Ministers to bring in—a sum, he must say. infinitely less than was required for the Security and credit of the country. Wh en they considered the many changes that had taken place—when they considered what the Noble Lord himself had stated, lie hardly knew what they could think of the smallness of such a surplus. He wished that the Noble Lord had told them what was the amount of the many large sums that had been voted during the year. A great hazard, he was of opinion, had been run with respect to the revenue, as Ministers had not taken into account what claims might be made upon them in a short time for debts of the year, and whether they might not be made at an earlier period than usual. Such a ,hazard had been rim, that the attention of the House should be called to it. Was it not essential' that they should not be left in times of peace with out resources to reduce the debt, which, if not reduced, would come upon the country with greater weight ? During the time that he was Chancellor of the' Exchequer, he induced Owl - louse of Commons to give their assent to the application of the surplus revenue to the reduction of the debt. He did relieve the country from a great part of the. burthen. Mr. Goulburn then entered into a short statement of the: reductions that he had made in the permanent securities, and of the immediate and future benefits they occasioned. He then proceeded to observe, that the Noble Chancellor of the Exchequer had taken off taxes to the amount of 900,000/. ; but as he had no command over that complicated machine—the coal tax—the people had not benefitted by the remission to a greater amount than 250,0005. With re spect to the application of the surplus revenue, the Noble Lord had not fairly and explicitly stated the nature of the Bill which he (Mr. Goulburn) had introduced. The object was that you should apply to the reduction of the Debt what was the exact surplus of the expenditure. If that was robe carried on in the ordinary way, you should not have waited till the 31st Decem ber, and then applied the whole of the amount to the reduction of the Debt. To apply a large sum at one time, as the forth coming quarter's revenue had been applied, was, in his opinion, likely to produce great fluctuation. Parliament had, therefore, Made a regulation that the surplus of each quarter should be em. pioyed. He did not think that it was proper to anticipate the revenue for the quarter, and employ it for a distinct purpose, as, a lth o ugh no augmentation of the debt had ever unexpectedly taken place, still such a circumstance was not unlikely to occur. The Right Hon. Gentleman went on to state that the Noble Lord, by purchasing the deficiency bills, put into the pocket of the Bank the interest of so much of the coming .M revenue as by the purchase of the bills lay in the hands of the Bank. A de -I;ciency bill, which anticipated the quarter's revenue, was obliged to he taken up each succeeding quarter. By the adoption of Ex. chequer-bills, the public obtained the interest which the Bank now had, and the coming in of the money relieved them (the public) from the interest. The Right Hon. Gentleman con. chided by easing that the revenue of the country presented cer. thinly a pleasing aspect, as it showed them an additional example of the extent and power of the country, and gave them a hope that if the circumstances of the State required - assistance, they might look for it with confidence amongst the enterprising inha- Wawa of Great Britain. , Mr, M A .BERLY was certainly surprised that Lord Althorp had violated the rule laid down by Parliament for the application of the surplus, and blamed Mr. Csoulburn for having brought on that measure. The mode .which by it was prescribed of ascer taining what the amount of the Sinking Fund would be each quarter was, in his opinion, fallacious ; and he hoped the mea. sure would shortly he repealed. Mr. Goulburn complained of the smallnest of the Sinking Fund ; but was it not better that the Fund should be small, and that taxation should be reduced ? Could the Government have been carried on if taxation had not been reduced ? Mr. Maberly said that Lord Althorp stated that the surplus was 490,0001. In his opinion, however, he was only sure of 50,000/. Lord A I.THORP had not applied more of the surplus revenue than he had been in possession of. ,With respect to the alleged profit of the Bank, he would only say that it might have been so if he had carried the purchase to an extreme. It was said that he would have done better if he had purchased Exchequer Bills. He would show the fallacy of this suggestion. Deficiency Bills were sold at a par, but Exchequer Bills must be purchased at a premium, unless the Bank were prepared to sell them to Govern ment at a less price than they did to the public. Mr. Goulburn asserted that the object of the Sinking Fund was to reduce the Debt, that injury accrued from a different application, and any sesperiment of this kind, when made in error, generally occa sioned a fluctuation in the price of stocks; but at no time had the prices been so regular as during the last few months. Mr. HUME said, that the Sinking Fund was a mere delusion, and that It deceived the public The statements of the Revenue which had aweared in the Gazette were delusive. They were all retrospective--but the public, from the manner in which they were put, conceived that they were prospective. He hoped that this practice would be sholished, and that all estimates in future would be prospective. This would lead the accounts to be made up in such a manner as any mai* might understand them, He approved of the assistance which Government had afforded, and hoped, that the regulation respecting the application of the sur plus fund would be tepealed. The Hon. Gentleman complained that the expenditure was still too great. Mr. Goulburn had boasted of the large surplus which he had managed to get toge ther—but then that was done at the expense of the people. Bet ter that a reduction of the taxes should he always taking place, and that there should be no Sinking Fund. The largeness of the surplus in Mr. Goulburn's thee placed this Government, who were obliged to reduce taxes, at so low a financial ebb. He (Mr. Hume) attributed great praise to the Bank for their having pros tided against the consequences of a sudden draft. Mr. GOULBURN observed that it would be impossible to calculate the expenditure and produce of the year to come by the accounts of the preceding year, Lod the House recollect the time when Lord Goderich, by pursuing wail a course, calculated two millions beyond his real resources ? The Wight Hon. Gentle. man went into a statement of the amount of the Sinking Fond in his time. Mr. MABERLY said, as it was thedeficiency bills anticipated the revenue, supposing there should be a run upon the Bank, what would he done when the revenue had been anticipated ? Lord A ',THORP supposed it was suspected that at the end of the year Government would be in a dilemma, and would call for money in Exchequer Bills, Such would not be the case. In purchasiog the deficiency Bills he had only taken money out of - Mr.IYCS7II: - i . s;; not favourable to this shuffling of cards, with out the attainment of airy good. . Mr. GOULBURN wished to ask at whoseexpeosa had a quan tity of silver Who beets lately melted down at the Bank by order of tiro Governinent? Lord ALTHORP replied, that it had been ascertained that the amount of shillings was too great for circulation. A' pound of silver contained 62 shillings; but the shillings he had alhicled to did not have their full weight, their being 60 to the pound Governindnt learning that this bullion wets to be disposed of, en tered into a treaty for its purchase with the Bank, who had it in their possession, and the agreeMent was, that the bullion was robe Melted down at their expellee, and that they were to lose the difference in the weight of Use bullion and the new coin. The oegrxiations were not, however, all tams: Wriest The quegtion' etas then put upon the .xGselkition, which was agreed to. Mr. Bernal then left the Chair. MESSAGE FliPm rHE LORDS. A Bill from the Lords, the otieet of which is to diminish the X.,:penses incurred in proceedings by writs de lunatico inquirendo. Ordered to be brought up. SCOTCH REFORM BILL. - - - On the motion of Lord ALTHORP, " That the Chairman do leave ti!:ie chair, and the House go into a Committee on the Scotch Reform WI," Sir W. RAE declared his decided ohjeetion to many parts of the Bill. His principal objection to it was, because it would over whelm the whole landed interest, and give the entire and exclu sive representation to the house owners and manufacturing inte rests.—(Hear.) He objected to the piinciple of the Bill, as well as to most of its details ; and thoirgh he did not mean to assert that the representation of Scotland was istall perfect, and that it might not be greatly improved, .yet, admitt4ig that, it was the duty of those who introduced a measure of this momentous kind to take care that it should be the best possible that human inge nuity could devise.—(Hear.) [i.e had heard it pronounced by an Hon. Member in that House, that Scotland was without a repre sentation. He denied it, and asserted that there was a constitu ency of property and respectability, though. he did not , mean to say there was a popular representation.—(Hear, arid g ;anti.) The last election at Forfar proved by the voting, how fairlf and equally the constituent right was balanced, and he was positive that the present measure had not originated with either the wants or the wishes of the people of Scotland.--(llear.) Mr. CUTLA It FERGURSON said, though lie most heartily supported the. Bill, he regretted that the counties hail not a larger share in the representation,—(Hear.) He thought the fair proportion of county and borough Members should be as three to two. Some of the details of the Bill might be improved he did not deny ; but the principle of the Hilt was unobjection able, and took away an influence which had long beep exercised to the injury of the people.—(Hear.) The Hon. Menther who spoke last had attacked the Bill for giving a franchise to the owner of land value Rd. a year ; and he (Mr. Y.) might have entertained some objection to it, had not the Bill, as a counterpoise, given a vote to another class—the owners olliouses of 10/. yearly rent, which would neutralise the aristocratic inAltlence of the great landowners creer their tenants.—(Hear.) If the Ita>>i p.aSSed with the clauses giving the power he had described, he was eenfideid there need be no fear that the landed interests would not be as fully represented in this House as ever they were under the present system. The Hon Getitionan said, that although he would not go so far as to state that the present Members for Scotland were generally the mere representatives of paper, yet he with shame confessed that they had An thirty-two different motions for Befonn and retrenchment, Layariably voted against those mearuiret.—(Hear, hear, hear.) He knew that some of the Members did not vote so by choice, but they had been sent there to speak the voice of some great person, and were under the necessity of voting as lip pleased.—(Hear.) He contended that the present representative sys:egi in Scotland had not worked well for that country ; in fact, it had po defenders now, and it was high time it was ainended—(Heari—aag a sys tem adopted more suitable to the present state of society„ - ind more congenial to the liberal and enlightened age in which we live,.—(Hear.) The middling and lower classes had unjustly been excluded from the representation, end paper representation had caused the return of Members who had resiskyj every species of Reform, and who had inveriably opposed every no*.wre tend ing to the amelioration of the PtAblie burdens. He hoped to god the House of Lords would pass the -Bill without any delays-sit coidd not be delayed for long—its triumph in the end was certain,Cheers.) Mr. G. BRUCE (as we understood) opposed thg Bill. He said the Members for-Scotland who were adverse to the ;7;,0 Aare had been charged with being silentduring the discussion. goauM not hesitate to glee his opinion rang the the measure. The original represe.ntation of Scotland hait been founded on property —it had been guaranteed hi the Union, arid could not be altered without a violation of that solemn compact. Tne present Bill, if carried, went to deprive the heritors of their rights, he re peated, was a gross violation of the het of Union. He via; also of opinion, that the household voters wo4leverwhelm the landed and,superier interest.—would infringe upon the vested rights of the most respectable portion of the commun4, :041 producccon. sequences that could not be anticipated without the uthapat alarm. For these and other reasons he should vote against the Wiwi; re. Mr. C. BRUCE said he would dgfend the Scotch represep tatives from the sweeping attacks of his, Ferguson as to the votes which they had given on the question el Reform. He thought the census was ill-timed at this moment, when he could but observe that the majority of the Scotch representatives were sitting on the Ministerial Benthes.—fHear, and a laugh.) Ile was not surprised at observing the cbdriga, for political tergiver_ sation and apostasy were at a premium in iSeettand as well as in England.—(Hear.) . He totally disagreed With the arguments of ti:e Lord Advocate, who had not at all demonstrated that the or practicable.—(Hear.) . He measure was either just, .expedient, Scotland, to " fright &pre cated the sending Ceminissieners to the boroughs from their propru2ty,"....cA gt 2 The Bill went too far to be safe to lIM existing institu tionshut the in his (gluon, o ;le countr y. He was iet n e ut ra - hostile vo _ . Rr g Bill went 'td,,effeet tasted to thedieranchaisecirenPt the . liaLite_2_rs ion .. to•the --ossesSor. .He frim,,h4 e . tic that tre- chise to those who from their property and intelligence Were en titled to a representation. It was nonsense to compare Scbtland as it Was now with what it was before and at the Union. There was a period when different towns and boroughs in Scotland were not able to pay the expellees of sending representatives n that House ; but that was no reason why large, populous, and wealthy places should now be disfranchised. The county which he had the honour of representing at the time of the Union con tained only 22,000 inhabitants, and now there were 120,000. — ;Hear.) It was, therefore, necessary that some arrangement should take place suitable to the altered circumstances of the country, It was important that an adjustment should take place without delay, for nothing on earth could stop the progress of a measure which was anxiously desired by the people, and which alone could save the country from a convulsion.—(Hear.) Mr. HUNT took that opportunity of explaining what he had said on a former night respecting the Lord Advocate of Scotland having availed himself of the assistance of the Radicals at his late election ; and he charged the Times newspaper with publishing a barefaced premeditated falsehood on the subject.—(Hear.) Mr. P. M. STEWART said, he would not to attempt to go through the vast and varied speeches of the Hon. Members for Selkirk and Nairn, except to contradict those assertions which declared the tenantry of Scotland adverse to their own' enfran chisement, and the people indifferent to the fate of the Bill.— ( Hear, hear.) One cheering inference might be drawn from this debate, which was, that we were all Reformers at last—and that whatever might be the fate of the letter of the Bill, its spirit— the spirit of actual and ample Reform in the representation of the people and property of the country—was secured beyond all ha. zard.—(Cheers ) The large majority on the second reading proved this ; and still more, the accession to that majority of some hitherto staunch opponents of the measure. Among them the Hon. Member for Honiton (Sir George Warrender) appeared —like another Georgium Sidus—(Laughter)—discovered lately as belonging to our system ; not a fixed star, but a planet whose distance and eccentric movements had baffled calculation, but hich now shed a direct ray upon the prosperity of our cause.— (Great laughter.) He had hoped for other such enlistments in support of the principle of the Bill, which went to remedy de fects too notorious to be denied. It did not disfranchise, but ex tended representation, and established, he might say, the elective franchise in Scotland, where it scarcely now existed.—(Hear ) The privilege of exerting a free choice—which he understood to he the definition of elective franchise—was of very rare occur• rence there, and the consequence was, that there was not one Hon. Member now present who could be properly styled the re presentative of any considerable portion of the people. The re. suit of the last contests showed that the Hon. Gentlemen were Members for these boroughs, and different districts, but not re presentatives of the people or property.—(Hear t hear.) With such a mock constituency it could not be otherwise, as had been forcibly shown by the Lord Advocate, in his able and eloquent introduction to the Bill. • Counties might be represented by those who had no interest whatever in the land, and the bo roughs by those who had no connection with the people.— This was the 'sentiment expressed by one whose memory must be respected by every constitutional Reformer—he meant the late Lord Archibald Hamilton—whose place no Scotch Re former could regard at this crisis, without feeling the magnitude of the loss the cause had sustained in him.—(Hear, hear.) The • destruction of the political power of Town Councils was the clearance of a great evil. The hollow mockery of the present system should have proved the sincerity of professions by being generally denounced; but the Bill, like Ithuriel's spear, carried a test along with its touch, and separated the pretending from the real Reforiher:—'Cheers.) To support the Bill here was to encumber it with help ; bnt he offered his ardent wishes for its success elsewhere.—(Hear, hear.) He hoped it would be re membered, that " a kingdom divided against itself must come to desolation ;" and he hoped that a Reverend Body, whose opi. nions were of vast importance he was told, would remember that distinguished supporters of the Church have often proved themselves the advocates of popular rights and liberty ; and that the great Charter itself, and afterwards the Petition of Rights, were mainly secured by the enlightened zeal and ardent ' support of Archbishops Langton and Abbot.—(Great cheers.) The Petition of Rights would have been modified and abridged by the Lords but for the agency of Bishop Abbot.—(Cheers.) He denied thatthis measure, as had been said, identified loyalty to the King with hostility to the Constitution. Our patriot King would not receive the offering on such terms.—(Hear.) He gave it his sincere support as a measure of vital value to the country, inasmuch as it restored the franchise to its true basis, property—and this House to its proper constituency, the people. Mr. 'MILLER spoke in favour of the Bill, and expressed his surprise that any one should have asserted that the people of Scotland were not in favour the measure.—(Hear, hear.) He knew it would be dangerous to delay it any longer.—(Hear.) He approved of the ten-pound franchise, and he was contident that, under the new Bill, the constituent body would possess a larger amount of property than the present constituency. Though 10/. were the qualification, yet the majority f voters would possess a larger property; for they were an industrious, saving people, and there Would be but few who would not be able to obtain a tell. pottnd franchise. He believed the measure was calculated to effect a great benefit in the country, and he anticipated with the most lively satisfaction its passing into a law.—(Cheers.) Sir GEORGE MURRAY objected to the Bill on principle, especially that part that divided one county and added it to an other, and unless some strong case of necessity was pointed out, it ought to be abstained from. Ile approved of the division of the county of York, because it would render the mode of election more convenient to the electors. No one could approve of the taking away a portion of Huntingdon and addingit to Cambridge, yet such was the plan proposed in the Bill regarding sonic of the Scotch counties. He had no objection to the junction of two small counties to return two Members, but he objected to the severing one part of a county and annexing it to another county, merely for election concerns, though it remained separate and distinct in every other respect.—(Hear.) Mr. H. CAMPBELL supported the Bill, and Mr. PRINGLE and another MEMBER, whose name we could not learn, said a few words, when Lord A LTHORP moved the postponement of the discussion upon the Bill till this day, which was agreed to. The House proceeded to the orders of the day, and having dis. posed of them, adjourned at Two o'clock this morning. presentation to the possessor. a i. . _,_.;,._.. _ ment of 101 . ' householders , an l:C i-vo-plapsSert Wig the vrti c - d to take away the right of the SUpertOcroinwr_As_:M.pupution J:(rpnrtou't,ro'tt; oensation ought to be land, and if it were persisted ill Sallie givgp to the parties injured by the unjust deP" v . riod. He wt--' tt„ 't , . molested till tliV f re ie n t P e ' ' fP .. • •it Jill Large teitants, l ..::;,;: !,% ' . „ .. c. ~,,, -,' • -. 05 faxinelr,, , P i.` V . "; f ; ri ,country •' r • ~,.. - ~ easu es e. - . - -,' .141;/ , Farm. t .. . . :. . . e., . ' , e w. .• • , 11; fr $ ",• $ . . , -' .: :'''' '.. 4 '• A f • .4 t , ' -Ws • SPIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS. The battle now rages in the House of Peers, after it has been decided in the country. If the Tories succeed in rejecting this Bill. they reject also the facts and reasonings on the strength of which it has been passed by the House of Commons, and ac cepted by the country without a dissenting voice. They fling aside the fact, that seventy-six English county Me/when have voted for the Bill, and only six against it : that of all those seven teen leading counties, and twenty-two principal cities and bo. roughs, which from their importance or the popularity of theix • tirsqiCi n etitraftOlrellill ' ln 7 f Well by preseWag a bare ma. jority of Members in its favour, satisfied Sir Robert Peel that the measure ought to be adopted, not one on this occasion has yielded a single voice in opposition to the Reform B 11, but are all una nimous in supporting it! Where, then, is the consistency of Sir Robert Peel and of those who are ruled by his suggestions, if unanimity will not influence them, either without doors among the people, or within door.; when exhibited by all those Members of Parliament, with scarcely an exception, who really repre sent the people ? Lord Grey introduced the second reading of the Bill last night by a grave, dignified, earnest, and impressive speech, which will be perused with profound interest. It was a model of luminous statement and calm reasoning : it was the produce ofa whole .life's observation on the most momentous subject that can Agitate the British state. It omitted hardly any thing that could be said to constitute, the ratioqiiir of the question of Reform, and was concluded by a powerful appeal to history for evidence of the evils resulting from a refusal of timely concession to the steadfast demands of a whole people. Indeed, the Spanish Netherlands, the head of Charles 1., the crown of James 11., the loss of fir:i4ll America, the extinction of the old French mo narchy under Louis ,1 7 .1" 1., the extinction of the restored French monarchy under Charles X., and the litter sweeping off of the French nobility as a power in the State,—all these are pretty solid proofs how much wisdom there is in a stubborn repugnance towards the fixed desires and necessities of a concurrent nation ; God grant that they may operate as warnings upon the body to which the Prime Miedster of England addressed them that our Peers and Bishops of the year Ig:1l may not hereafter serve to "point the moral" of neglected common sense, or to " adorn the tale" of a self-ruined Aristocracy. Lord Grey's impressive appeal to the Bishops will, we trust, have a proper effect. The Bishop of Lodon—perhaps the most able and long-sighted Prelate of his order ; and one who loves the Church discreetly as well as honestly—gives Ms proxy, we hear, in favour of the second reading. By what that is held Temst sacred in their esti mation—by what shall we adjure his brethren to follow the ex ample of this rational and discriminating Prelate ? As lovers of peace. ivy beseech them to look round, and watch the threaten. ings of this pregnant hour; as lovers of this world—if there be such amongst them—Ace tell them that the more exalted stations on the Bench will and must be recruited from the yet un mitred clergy, in default of those wne etieuld dgsort the Throne in its emergency, and the people in their appeal for justice. Lord Grey has declared once more that he will " stand or fail I , y the Bill—that he will never attempt such a fraud upon thi nation, as to offer it a less com plete Reform—and that Hot Hiltil he sees that there is no fair prospect of carrying this measure, unsimrn pf any of its man principles, into execution, will he resign his office. The obvious weaning of which latter part of the declaration is, that if the Bill should now be lost, he will propose to his Majesty that a sufficient number of leers shall be created to carry this Bill in a speedily ensuing Session ; and that if such a reasonable re. quest be negatived.—a supposition which the manly, firm, and sinpare character of the Sovereign forbids us to entertain for one moment,-- then, and not till then, will the Reforming Prime Minister find hirn,.glf hound in conscience to retire. We have not room now for any l'usther notice of the debate, but there are some symptoms not unfavourable ia the conduct of the enemies of the Bill. Lord Wharncliftb at firt,t ptui 4 o;eft.thitt the Bill shoy.dd be absolutely rejected : this motion, so respectful fp the House of ,Commons, so conciliatory to the nation at large ' was supported in au 49 topriate speech by the Earl of Mansfield. It is probable, howaer, that souse hints were given' hat such an off=hand mode of proceeding yf;nld not do; the Noble Mover had it seems some misgivings, and asYed leue to r ithdraw or amend his motion. After a short and sharp discussion, the litiuse had the kindness to relax the strictness of parliamentary ride4', and to yield to the Noble Lord's desire. The motion was then with drawn. to he renewed, we suppose, this day, in some more cere monious forin.-,47/00,, The speech of Earl Gruy last night, on moving the second reading of the Reform Bill, will proctui:e the pest eflbcts, in calm. ing the apprehensions of the people, and filling them with well grounded hope, that should the Lords throw out tlie Bill, all will yet be 4fe. The conclusion of that speech is of such paramount importance at this crisis, that attention cannot be too mui h drawn to it, as a powerfull eorrsative of any feeling in the people which might lead them in their anger a dpspair to rash steps, which might forward the views of the opponents hi npform. " With respect to myself, and the Administration of which I form a part (raid his Lordship,) the fate of this Bill is a m atter of coin. parative indilfbrence. I have said, and lam not a man to recall what I have sail:, * that by this measure I must stand or fall.— (Continued cheers, espetially from the Opposition side.) The question of my continuance In c;itn.e, oven for an hour, must de pend upon my seeing a reasonable prospect of being able to carry intp effect this measure, to which I am pledged, as I think, by every tin of private honour, and by every obligation of public duty, both to my howeign and to the people.—(Hear, hear.) I wish your Lordships dlstinc4'rp pnderstand—(as I have already said, and the sentiment was received with sqme apparent eagerness.)— that it is my deliberate conviction that the dangers to be incurred by the rejection of this Bill cannot be obviated by any measure of less foOp ipd efficacy. If such a plan be proposed, it is not by me that It will be supported I never will consent to hold out to the people a dehisivOnegure of Reform—l sin convinced that they have a right to expect Loniit4utioluil Reform to the extent of tiw Bill upon the table, and their earnest wishes in its favour have been palously expressed. I have set before yogi Lordships examples whicie should teach you how toavoid perils, which in my view must inevitably f 01147/ rejection. I advocate this Bill as a measure of peace and ceincillattqn i . and in the words of the prayer we daily offbr, I hope that Provadence will i Prosper all your• consultagnnt to the advancement Of his glory—to the good of the Church, and to thg safety, honour, and welfare of the empire.'— (Much cheering.) 1 situ aware that I have already too long de tained your Lordships, but I eanntttncuclude without expressing a 11,4 w—would I could say a sanguine expeptatic,n—tNt this mea sure may receive your sanction : I entreat your Lordships to take into view the situation of the'country, and I trust that you will then see the necessity for confirming by your vote a measure calpulated not only to prpd,uce inunc4sqrape good, but to pre vent narnegstirable evil.- General and reiterated cheers.)" This is an 'all.imporiani; drclaration ' stating, as it does, in a manner ijOt to lie misunderstood, wi.atthe country may expect from Earl I'e that Ministry. His . Lordsbip does li;t hold out any expecta tion h:tlile will be read a Second time. 6, Would could i,xpres iwir sanction !" the people that sanguine gxpectation that this measure may receive But 41,40- r -solemnly assures 6 6 he tierer will consent to nut to the people a dein. sn,rc Iter o r4--that the we • ve a right to eXpe(it ea naive mea -4141.8eat, o fhe3i2Lui on the:table :,_nasi,ttutioal iiiiittA.,sse , d ' it 11 that if t Ile 't.o e j tvili'lleVOPPlrta , 117;4 hasyne not front Lortitiltriigioripti4.4644l`ation4 ‘, that by this measure h stao.o fa t 1, t. .. of his continuance in office, even htstlriffik#: (W 4 nilo/1 NS Seeing a reasonable proi. : ,•• ' . . • Net of being able to carry into effect this measure." This is-all but , saying in so many words, if the Bill is thrown out on the,sebond reading, I will immediately create as many Peers as shall of enable me to hold office with a reasonable prospect carrying the Bill. The fear that agitated the country was that Ministers might hesitate to take the steps necessary to secure the Bill ultimately on its being thrown out, and might tender their re signation. We rejoice, and the country will rejoice with it., to find that Ministers have no intention of resign in g —that they pledge themselves not only to stand or fall with the Bill, but also never to desert the people in this struggle till all constitutional means of carrying the Bill have been tried in vain. Under this hope, patience is the virtue which the people are called on now to display. Let us not have to reproach ourselves with the guilt of sacrificing the future peace and prosperity of the country by a childish impatience, when we know that the op position of the Anti-Reforming Lords can and will avail them nothing—that Reform must be carried. Let us not, while power as well as . numbers are with us ; throw away our advar- Lees. Ministers are entitled to our confidence so long as they determine to remain at the helm under the pledge so solemnly given to us. If the Anti-Reforming Lords were not determined to rush on their fate, and to do all they can to involve the nation in inexpressible calamity, they would be moved by the powerful appeal made to them last night by Earl Grey. Infatuated men! May they be yet saved from the reproaches which, if they per_ sist, their own consciences will one day make them—the re proaches which their own offspring will make them. Let them remember that nations never die, but that property changes hands—that the people are the stock, while the small band of privileged orders are but the foliage, which may be plucked off and east to the winds. Who can tell what may be the result of throwing, this great nation Into disorder and confu sMn--Of throwing its immense masses into disordered action 1 . I ask, then, (said Earl Grey, with most impressive eloquence), I ask, then, nay Lords--with an overwhelming, an irresistible majority of the real representatives of the people—with that people roused and agitated from one end of the country t o the other, and claiming by respectful but decisive petitions the restitution of their ancient rights—will you, the House of Lords, put yourselves in opposition to the national opinion, by rejecting this Bill, and thus disappoint expectations so reason_ ably and ardently entertained, and wishes so strongly and unani mously expressed ? If this House do take an attitude of deft_ ance to the voice of the whole country--a situation of things I would fain believe impossible—if it reject this Bill—even by a great majority of its Members, or with any thing approaching unanimity, still it would not long be able to oppose suc cessfully the increasing tide of popular sentiment. The con sequences may be dreadful to contemplate; if you cannot stern the tide, and yet resist it, is there no danger that you may be even swept away by its violence?"—(Much cheering.) Yes, there is danger—much danger. The industrious classes of this country, smarting under the difficulties into which they might be brought by the mad opposition of the Lords to the wishes of a nation, and remembering with fond affection the blessings from which they were torn, could not be expected to look with indulgence on the .amathars of their .calarnity—exile,—beggary—the ruins of ancestral halls—a nation's hatred—a nation's malediction. These are the harvests which these men would reap, were they not to be rescued from the consequences of their own designs. But let me add, (con tinued his Lordship) that the peril will be much greater, should this Bill be thrown out by a comparatively small number of your Lordships. What then may be your situation? I say again, do not flatter yourselves, that by introducing a less efficient mea sure you will allay the storm you will have raised, that you will recover the ground you will have lost, or overcome the aliena tion you will have produced.—(Hear, hear.) I certainly depre cate any thing like a - popular cry ; as a citizen of a free State, who feels that liberty is essentially connected with order, I would resist the slightest approach to violence ; as a Member of the Government, it is my duty to maintain tranquillity. But as a citizen, as a legislator, as a Member of the Government, as a man and as a Statesman, I am bound to look at the consequences that may ensue from rejecting this Bill ; and although I - do not state, as the Noble Duke asserted of his measure, that the rejection of it would occasion a civil war—for I trust it will produce no such effect—yet I do say that such consequences are likely to result as make me tremble for the condition of my country, and for the security of this House.—(Cheers from the Opposition Bench.)" We would fain persuade ourselves that the time for deliberation is not yet past with many of their Lordships, whose names are exhibited in the fatal list of enemies to the people. We would fain hope that a silly vanity, an insatiable rapacity, a hatred of popular rights, will not hurry them into a step which they may not be able to retrace, and which may lead them to a precipice over which they will be hurled to their fate. The Opposition was led by Lord Wharn cliffe, who moved the rejection of the Bill His Lordship argued but very lamely, but he made up for his lack of argu ment by sweeping assertion, and some most astounding state ments His Lordship has discovered, from the petitions, that the people are not in favour of the Bill, but in favour of Reform, and being onle in favour of Reform, it fol lows that they will be satisfied with any sort of Reform, and that therefore a real and efficient Reform need not be given to them, but only an illusory one ! And to crown all, the shop keepers of Bond-street and St. James's, with whom his Lord ship deigns to exchange thoughts on the question of Reform, are i taken by him as identical with all the people of England ! My Lords (said his Lordship, with a humourous absurdity, which Fielding could not have improved on), we mix with the people, and we know the people, and we know their opinions and feel ings. Our rank and our privileges, thank God, have not removed us from the people. We mix with them ; our character here does not prevent its from mixing with them out of doors ; and I say, my Lords, that it is impossible for any man of us to walk the streets, and not to see that this Bill is deprecated by the pCople.—(Hear, hear.) I would ask the Noble Earl to walk with me through any street of this town—Down Bond street, for example—(A laugh)—or down St. James's-street —(A laugh)—and to inquire of the people there. I do not mean of the passengers he may accidentally meet ; but to go into the shops, and ask the respectable tradespeople what is their opi nion of this Bill; and I will venture to say that he will not find more than a very few persons indeed who will not say that they are afraid of this Bill—that they think Parliament requires some Reform, but that they are afraid of this measure of Reform." —(Hear,) The people were hardly prepared for this, we venture to say. What, the petitions of the whole country are to be treated as a non-entity, because some of the shopkeepers of St. James's and Bolad.street, to all of whom his Lordship must be as well Known as he is to his own servants, are cunning enough, knowing his Lordship's anti-reforming propensities, to appqar to enter into his Lordship's views, and to wish' a Reform that would leave nomination boroughs, and leave to borough patrons, a ready access to the pockets of the . .peOPLV— ^wratghgiusn country. uati so We - eould"hardly have believed, after the danionstrat made in everytbt_owlaieeevrge' wasg fa k ft - rr l a t e the moment f signed by the whole adelt male population of the re spective places—that assurance could be carried so far. But this poor attempt ha question the reality of the attachment of the people to the Bill is, after all, the best thing said by the Oppo sition last night. Earl Mansfield, who has been given out oc. casionally as the leader of the Opposition, made but a lame argu. ment against the Bill. If the votes of these Lords counted for no more than their arguments, we should have no apprehension for time fate of the Bill. We foresee that the debate on their part will be but a tedious business; but they expect to shine at the last, God help them ! The debate was adjourned over to this day, and we suppose it will be still 'lather adjourned.—Morning Chronicle. The great question came on last night in the House of Lords —the second reading of the Reform Bill was moved by Earl Grey. In the course of the day a variety of reports were in cir culation, and the immediate neighbourhood of Parliament af forded its full proportion of speculation and uncertain conjecture. The general impression; however, was, that the Bill would be' lost, and lest on the second reading. It is impossible to give an idea of the anxiety which prevailed upon the subject up to the moment when Lord Grey rose fo address the House, and a slight incident occurred at the very commencement of his Lordship's address which seemed to show that even the practice of an ex perienced and skilful debater was for a moment suspended by the difficulty of the task he had to perform. Lord Grey was obliged to sit down before he had finished his first sentence, but he soon rose again, and, having conquered his feelings, proceeded with a speech that was received throughout with the most profound interest and attention, Nothing could be more calm, or, at the same time more firm and Statesmanlike than the tong of this consistent Reformer, in recommending hi s important measure to the House. No one who heard it could doubt the sincerity of the speaker, or dismiss from his mind the magnitude of the occasion—nor was it possible to resist the opinion that he who evinced that sincerity, and estimated that magnitude so justlyi entertained any thing rather than a strong conviction that his proposition would be attended with success. Sometimes, it is true, he expressed a strong hope, for how is it pos_ sible for a reasoning mind not to feel occasional confidence in the efficacy of reason ?—but confidence was far from being the pre dominant characteristic of the speech to which we allude. At the same time there was no despondency in it; and, we are happy to find, that even the rejection of the Bill will not neces sarily produce the resignation 'of Ministeis, so long as there re mains a reasonable prospect of its ultimate success. Though, after a speech of more than two hours, the Ncble Lord was a good deal exhausted towards the close, the concluding part, in which he appealed to history to show the importance of timely tioncession was impressive in a high degree. • Lord Wharnclifib was a smah man to sit to answer Lord Grey—but there are'other qualifications besides talent which must be sought' for in the advocates of corruption. We cannot complain of the course taken by Lord Wharncliffe and his p„rty, It was bold enough ; some wonld call It presumptuous—some would call it insolent,-but we are satisfied to call it bold. The pre. vioqs nnestion, if carried, would be as- effectual a defeat of the measure as the direct negative proposed by Lord Wham OM, but it would not he so abrupt, so unceremonious, and em phatic a refusal, and that was probably the reason which gave the latter the preference. This is candid, however. It shows that the Opposition feel their strength, and are determined to use their strength to some purpose. lint what Is the strength of which we are speaking, after all? Supposing they are strong enough to throw out the Bill by a majority of 30, still it is only the strength of a majority amongst themselves against the majority of the Commons and the vast and overwhelming majority of the people of England. Now, .without moaning any thing in the shape of Intimidation, wo may surely refer to any majo. jority, large or small, which their Lordships may be able to muster against the Bill, and say that it is presumption to think of setting it up against the voice of the country. But the Lords have as yet only entered on the discussion. It may be a Parlia. m iisn e sl n ei t iba a i r t y toe fi bo; ct b, i i o t.i n t: t e o et? s cay up ,.. poi ef,,t e tettasholtlyv oglttivesewagirlceLbnaflsua,oan,,cebtdiymbrtyesfaieurcheiegutgot the debate, that some of the Opposition were startled by the na ture of Lqrd Wharpcliffe's amendment, and that an attempt is to be made to effect the same purpose in a more respectful tone. What the issue may be remains still in the same uncertainty as ever, and is likely to do so until the decision shall put an end to the public suspense. —Morning Heraf4„ I _ We beg pave to call the immediate attention of Government to a very important and extraordinary fact. We are assured from a quail& of' undoubted authenticity, that there have been for some days in London a body of the Parisian " heroes of the Days of July," amounting to upwards of 2,000, under the direct superintendence of a distinguished French officer, This circum stance Must ip every point of view be considered as of the most serious natgre. Whatever the intent of these foreigners may be —whether it he host i le to the h.est interests of our a nci e nt a lly of Portugal, against which the malcontents of France and England are now conspiring, or whether it has a view to the encouragement or aidi lig of an y revolutionary movements in this country, in either case Ministers arc bound promptly to interpose their a;;thority, and to expel from the 4ingdqnl inch pests of society, and foes of all social Fgulpact ,and good order in every State. Government will of course lose np further time in making themselves ac qu&nted with all the circumstances regarding the suspicious re sidence of so great a number of revolutionary Frenchmen at the p.sesent moment among us; and as the main fact cannot possibly be unknown to file Alien-office, the ihypstigAtiork will be at tended with no difficulty, and 'a speedy remedy for the threat ened evil will of course be effectually provided by the Home De partment of the qoverpment—ltiorning Post. COURT CIRCULAR. The Duchess of Cumberland, accompanied by Miss Cooper, attended divine service on Sunday morning at St. James's Church. The Ministers of the Four Great Powers had a long conference with Viscount Palmerston yesterday, at the Foreign-ottice. There were present the Russian Ambassador, and Count Matuseevitz, the Russian Minister on a special mission ; the Austrian Amnag sador, and the Baron de Wessenburg, the Austrian Minister on a special mission; the French Ambassador, and the Prussian Minister. The Spanish, Belgian, and Hanse Towns Ministers transacted business yesterday at the office of the Secretary of State for Foreign A tfairs. Sir Frederick Adam, the Lord High Commissioner of the lonian Islands, lett town on Sunday night for Scotland. Viscount Althorn entertained a select party at dinner on Sunday evening g his residence in Downing-street among the company were the Duke of Richmond, the Earl and Countess of Carlisle, Lord Auckland, Sir Thomas Denman, Sir James Graham, Sir Frederick and Lady Eleanor Ponsonby, Lady Barbara Fonsonby, and Sir George Robinson, nucis Or THE STOCKS Bank Stock i per Cent. Red 3 per Cent. Cons. SO% 1 3sz per Cent. shut Ditto Red shut New 3%per Cent. 8814% M. % per Cent Ann. 1736 per Cent. 1826 Bank Long Ann to expire Jan. 5, 1860 shut Oct. 10, 1859 Jan. 5, 1860 :16y, 9-16 Jan. 5, 1880 April 5, 1880 Jan. 5, 1870 PRICKS OF FOREIGN FUNDS THIS DAT AT ONE o'cLoeit. tustrian Bonds 'Neapolitan — Brazilian Bonds 44i8 Peruvian Bonds Br nos Ayres Bonds — 'Portuguese Bonds „Julian Bonds ........... ...... 'Prussian, Old olombian Bonds Ditto, 1824 Janish 6 0 3,{ 1 Spanish, 1821 13% ;reek Bonds — --- 1823. — litto, 1825 3uatimala —l- Exchange 2st. 20c. Aexican Bonds — !----- 3 per cent. —f. —... tato, 1825 .35%3 '— Exchange ..... —f. •—.. Lriiis ' ' , : 0 , -;- - - - -4:„.. g .--A.,_ ~--__11414. LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, OCTOBER 4, 1831. The debates on the all-absorbing question of Reform commenced last night in the House of Lords. Earl GREY, who at the opening of his speech was so overpowered by his emotions that he was compelled for a few minutes to resume his seat, opened the discussion, and rivettel the atten tion of the House for upwards of two hours, while he dwelt in -a. calm, statesmanlike, philosophic spirit on the necessity of Reform, and pointed out the dangers that would almost necessarily accrue to all classes of the community in the event of its rejec tion by their Lordships. The Noble Earl psrti cularly addressed himself to the Episcopal Bench, on whom he observed an awful resporisilyiliry de volved, and concluded with the cheering announce ment that he would stand or fall by the Bill, and would never quit office so long as there remained even the slightest hope of its success. In other words, his Lordship is resolved, through evil and through good report, to persevere in his favourite measure, even should a further creation of Peers be necessary to ensure its triumph. In urging the necessity of Reform, his Lordship very happily contrasted the theoretical with the prac tical Constitution of the country, and showed how LOCKE, BLACKSTONE, and others, had eulogised the one, while they unequivocally condemned the other. Nothing indeed can be more admirable than the Constitution as it is expounded by such able legi slators; or worse, as it is defined by the borouglimongers. The latter quote it, as the Devil quotes scripture, for the purpose of pervert ing the text so as to suit their own views. The consequence of this is, that our youth, who should be brought up to reverence the Constitution, learn, from the earliest moment at which they are capable of forming an opinion, to despise it; they see that it_ is not the same Constitution that has beer► so lauded by the great law-espounders of the country : hence they denounce it as a fraud, a mockery on the people ; or if from circumstances compelled to disguise their opinions, and publicly eulogize what in their hearts they cannot but con demn, they acquire the art of dissimulation, and be come apprentices to the trade of falsehood, bound by the Ifrietess of indentures, at an age when the reeling and the understanding should be frank, enerous' sts►d sincere. W:tristarer may be , the vase it the Constitution of LOCKE and BLACKSTONE, it is clear that, by the Constitution of the boroughmongers, no honest man can be a Mi nister; we will go further, and add, that no honest man can even be a supporter of Ministers. Is it not high time then that this demoralizing system, the influence of which, making itself felt through all classes, taints even the lowest, should be put an end to ? Who can sincerely respect the laws if the very source from which they ema nate is itself corrupt ? Eatl GREY has long seen the necessity of a material change in the Constitution, and has come forward at a season not less auspicious for himself than his country to effect this alter►tion. That in so doing, he will have many serious difficulties to contend with, we are well aware ; but that he will ultimately triumph, we have no more doubt than that the Hon. Member for Preston is an arch Ignoramus. Lord WHARNCLIFFE opposed the Reform Bill, and moved, by way of amendment, that it be read this day six months. His Lordship spoke long and learnedly on the subject, and argued that the people were in different to the Bill because the Bond-street shop keepers discountenanced it. Excellent logic ! Most consummate statesman I As well might he refer to the theatrical saloons, or the chaste recesses of Soho, for samples for the morality of our British females! Yet his Lordship knows quite as much of the state of the public mind as the rest of his Ultra brethren; indeed much more so, or he would scarcely have volunteered to lead their forlorn hope. Let us examine, then, the force of his argument a little. If it mean any thing, it amounts to this. The Bond street shopkeepers are the polished mirrors in which the feelings and opinions of the people are repre sented—ergo, if they disapprove the Reform Bill, it is quite conclusive the country must do so too — Q. E. D. But Bond-street is only one small contemptible atom of the great whole. No mat ter, it is situated at the West End; and as all wisdom, all purity, all wealth, all gentility, all patriotism emanate from this favoured quarter : as the men here are all LYCURGUSES and the women all LUCRETIAS ; as CROCKFORD'S is here, and ALMACK'S Hamilton-place, and Constitution-bill; what can be more decisive than that the West-end represents Great Britain, and the Bond-street shopkeepers its inhabitants ? And is it to this puerile, this contemptible jabber, innocent of sense and unalloyed with the slightest mixture of reasoning, that the great mea sure of Reform is to be sacrificed ? Is England to be precipitated into all the horrors of anarchy, be cause the Bond-street shopkeepers, hopeless other wise of the payment of their long aristocratic ac counts, are opposed to a question in which all Europe is interested ? Is Reform to be lost, because a set of tradesmen, with pens behind their ears, a t the West-end, will have it so ? Oh my Lord WHARNCLIFFE, my Lord WIIARNCLIFFE, fatal was the hour when you broached this absurd argument 1 Endless the ridicule to which it will consign your name ! Henceforth flourish in connection with your protegees, the Bond-street shop-keepers, for be as sured the one will never be mentioned, without con juring up the recollection of the other! " Congenial names, and memorable long, If there be force in satire or in song.' After a lengthened discussion, in which the Earl of MULORAVE eminently distinguished himself, and soine smart skirmishing on the subject of the amend ment, between Lords HOLLAND, MANSFIELD, and CARNARVON, the debate was adjourned to this day. The adjournment will not probably be a pro tracted one; bat whether it be or not, Reform, the people may rely on it, is secure. Their Lordships may look big and bluster, but they must swallow the pill. They may probably try to get it gilded ; but even this will not avail them Their physician, kinder to his patients than they are to themselves, knows that the dose is essential to their safety, and will insist on their dispatching it. Courage, then, countrymen, and all will be right. In the House of Commons last night, Lord AL- Tlloßp, in a Committee of Ways and Means, moved that there be granted out of the Consolidated Fund 1,800,0001. to meet the supply for the present year. The report of the Scotch Reform Bill was afterwards taken into consideration, and the House adjourned at a late hour. There is little important news in the foreign Jour nals. The Paris express says that the capital is at length tranquil ; that the cholera had reached Anhal,-Bernburg, on the left bank of the Elbe ; that there is no truth in the accounts of further war like preparations in Prussia; and that the hostile armies in Poland were making every exertion to con tinue the campaign. The following is a lette r • addressed by the late Governor of Warsaw, to the EMPEROR : 4 . SIRE, —Being at this moment commissioned to address your Imperial and Royal Majesty in the name of the whole Polish na tion, I apply through his Excel'ency the Field-Marshal Count Paskewitsch of Erivan to your paternal heart. While we submit without any condition to your Majesty our King, the Polish na tion knows that you alone are able to cause the past to be for gotten, and to heal the deep wounds that have been inflicted on my country. (Signed) " Count KRUKOWIECKI. " Warsaw, Sept. 7, 11131, Six o'clock in the evening," The following are extracts from Brussels Papers received this morning:— BRUSSELS, SEPT. 30.—His Majesty the King arrived last night from Antwerp at the Palace of Lacken. The decree re-establishing the jury requires the President of the tribunal of the place in which the assizes are held, to draw by lot the names of 36 persons, which will form the list of the jurymen for the whole sessions. An English Cabinet messenger set out last night with des patches for London. Generals Grundler and Belliard are gone to inspect the different regiments of infantry under their command. A foreign legion is going to be organized at Mons, it seems certain that the command of it will be given to Colonel Prince Achilles Murat. The Me;sager de Gand published the following news ; it is un necessary to observe that the authenticity of it is. more than doubtful, and that we publish it merely to make our readers ac quainted with the various reports relative to our political situation:— Oneof our correspondents'at Paris:who, is in general well in formed, tells us that several negociations have been opened be tween the cabinets of the Hague and the Palais Royal. It is stated that King William has made advantageous proposals to France which the latter is not disinclined to listen to. Two for tresses not indeed of the first rank, but yet the keys of the Ar. dennes, Marienburg and Philipville, to be ceded to Louis Philip, with a suitable district round them. France to recover also the district of Chimay ; and all the Belgian fortresses to be molished, except the citadel of Huy, the fortification of Liege, Maestricht, Antwerp, and Fermande : a treaty of commerce to be made between Holland and France, one of the clauses of which should allow French vessels to be admitted in Java, and the In dian Archipelago, on the same terms as the Dutch vessels, pay ing only a duty of three per cent., in addition, on goods im ported by them. .‘ elgians, to be governed separately from Holland, but with an act of federation, and a Constitution given by France. The existence of this state of things to be guaranteed by France and England. Lastly, it would be stipulated in the treaty, to which all the Powers should accede, that Holland and Belgium, though under a different Administration and different laws, should al ways remain under the same sceptre. Though we have no doubt, that proposals have been made, we cannot warrant that the clauses mentioned by our correspon dent, are literally those which are thesubject ofthe negociation." The French garrison of Mons, and the division of General ' Ranois quitted the territory of Belgium, and returned to France on the 28th. DAY ♦T ONE O'CLOCK. New 5 per Cent. — India Stock - Ditto Bonds' p 1 dis. South Sea Stock 9l k t Old Annuities shui New Ditto 3 per Cent. Ann . 1751 Ex. Bills, £l,OOO 7 9 pm Ditto.." ........500 '7 8 pm Ditto S mall TO 8 pm. Ditto Commercial pm. Ditto Advertised — pm. Bank for Opening India for Account. I9N Cons. for Oct. 13. 80% 1 I ,i I HOUSE OF LORDS.-(THIS DAY.) The Loan CHANCELLOR did not sit to hear appeals to-day till nearly twelve o'clock. The other Peers in attendance with his Lordship were Lord HOOD, Lord DINORREN, and the new Bishop of CHICHESTER. Their Lordships proceeded with the part-heard appeal of" Wilson v. Lord Kensington," which had not concluded when our reporter left. THE FUNDS.-(THIS DAY.) CITY. TWELVE O'CLOCK. A Mexican mail has arrived this morning, which sailed on the 6th of August. It appears, according to the Mexican Papers re ceived at the North and South American Coffee-house, that the .countris.osinsiassad ewe trarovilllty. These Papers state the receipts at the Custom-house of Vera Cruz for the month of July paid into the Treasury to be 428,07 dollars, which includes the balance left over in the month of June of 182,938 dollars. The following has been posted at the North and South Ame. rican Coffee-house : " Falmouth, Oct. 2. " I beg to inform you that the Sphynx packet has just arrived from Mexico, with a freight of thirteen tons of dollars, on mer. chants' account," THE FUNDS. The express from Paris this morning contains the important intelligence that Prussia desists from further warlike prepara. tions, which is a proof that all the reports for several days past of Prussia's intention to join Holland against Belgium ate void of foundation. The great interest attached to the debates on the Reform Bill in the House of Lords last night, entirely engross the attention of the public this morning, and every one is eager to ascertain the result of this grand contest ; some are of opinion that Earl Grey's speech is not of a consoling nature to the succe•s of the Bill ; others state that the Bill will be lost by 18 or 20; we have no d..ubt that this evening's debate will give us a better oppor. tunity of forming a judgment on the event. Consols, which left off yesterday at So% 34 for the Account, opened at 80%, went down to 80%, but afterwards improved to 80T SI, owing to Lord Althorp's not mentioning any thing about funding Exchequer Bills. At present Consols are 80% In the Foreign Market nothing doing. BRITISH Bank Stock, shut FUNDS. 3!d i per Cent. Red. India ditto '197 8 i)er Cent. New 8834 % 3 per Cent. 80% 1 Four per Cent. (1826) — Ditto, for the Acct. 81 India Bonds, 2 die, par. 3 per Cent. Red. Exchequer Bills, 7 9 Brazilian, 41 16 Buenos Ayres, Chilian, 15 16 Colombian, 11 12 Danish, 60 R 1 French 5 per Cent. 87 6 Ditto 3 per Cent. 589 FOREIGN FUNDS . Greek, 19 21 Mexican, 35?4 6 Peruvian, 10 11 Portuguese, 51 2 Prussian, Russian, 91X Spanish, 13X HALF•PAST ONE. We have no foreign political information, nor will there be any sought after until our Reform Bill is settled. Contrary to ex pectation the Funds have improved since the early part of the morning. Consols, which were 8O 4, have improved to 81 1 4 0 14 for the account, owing to a West-end report that Lord Wham. cliffe's manoeuvre last night has been much disapproved of by the Tories, and several of them have gone over to the Ministers ; but this is only report. The Reform Bill, and nothing,but the Bill, is the general topic of conversation in the city, and for which great anxiety is expressed. Consols - are now 81%, for Money SO% SI. In the Foreign Market nothing doing. Letters from Barbadoes to-day confirm the previous news of the sad catastrophe in that island. Consols, 809 81. THREE 0' CL 0 CK. ELECTION OF LORD MAYOR. (THIS DAY.) The Guildhall and its neighbourhood still continues crowded. The voting for the first two hours was rather languid, but still in favour of the Reformers. DAY'S POLL AT ELEVEN O'CLOCK. Lord Mayor B2 Alderman Thorpe Sir Peter Laurie ONE O'CLOCK, The last two hours have been better employed. Thepoll now is for— The Lord Mayor 227 Alderman Thorpe Sir Peter Laurie. On the gross poll the Lord Mayor now stands 227 a-bead of Sir Peter, and Alderman Thorpe 71. It is now— The Lord Mayor 2478 Alderman Thorpe ; cm Sir Peter Laurie - - Sir Peter Laurie has not yet got into more favour with the crowd in attendance; his voters are still hooted at, and those for the Lord Mayor and Alderman Thorpe are cheered as much as ever, and thanked as well by the crowd behind the bar as that on the hustings. TWO o'CLOCK. The Lord Mayor 543 Alderman Thorpe Sir Peter Laurie THREE O'CLOCK. The Lord Mayor Sir Peter Laurie Alderman Thorpe 2347 The Marquis of ANGLESEA, on Friday, took the oaths and his seat. FIELD OF THE FOR/ Y FOOTSTEPS.—The deep interest of this historical romance, by Miss JANE PORTER, is rendered still more fixing by the introduction in its pages of a genuine document, which has never before seen the light, and which is descriptive of the last mo ments of the unfortunate CHARLES the First, particularly on the night previous to his execution. A new and cheaper edition of this work is announced for immediate publication. We have reason to know that ample means have been adopted to ensure the peace of the metropolis, should any symptom of violence ensue from the present state of excitement. At the same time we are convinced that, should any such attempts be made, they will be the work of the enemies of Reform. W e are a ssured, by a correspondent of re spectability, that the Bishop of LONDON, although pre vented by a domestic calamity from attending the House of Lords during the discussion on the Reform question, will vote by proxy in favour of the Bill. . ._ TR DP SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE(TiI'- ------ PROM LLOYD'S. Arrived DE A DEAL, .o .l c T h . e 3. river, , N e N r ' , i Wind d S . sailedW . tto W with ' raa t " . vg 7the ' •Sgr'est ° —uth , bound, the John Woodhall, Thompson, for New Arrived the Egham, Turner, from Cadiz. Ne S w T t A on N , D fro G in AT M E ala C ga ß ; E l E sa K b , ena o , c p T. et 3 ri . e 7A fro rr m iv u e d e blu e ; TX o , o 4 Harman, from Memel ; and Freundschaff , from I f -- PORTSMOUTH, OCT. 3.—Wind S.W. sel o „aaa, jesty's ship Curacoa, in going out of harbour to DP"7" shore on the Spit, but will come off nex t flood. ._S i Como, Oliver, from Odessa. Off the Wight—Arn'''" Lockett, from Dominica. FALMOUTH, OCT. 2.—Arrived the Sphyn% letwie Tampico; sailed 2k/th July; from Vera Cruz Ot h t il Havannah 26th. Has on board 507,000 dollars. nap . , PLYMOUTH, OcT.2.—Arrived the Arantlies, 0 1 Quebec ; and Eliza, Edwards, from Malag a. _. &ma CORK, OCT. I.—Arrived the Pyrenees, Butt, i te" - The Eliza, Williams, from Cork to London, foil° de ,/ terford, 29th ult.; crew saved. a W The Dasher, Brend, from Laguayra to Hof l.oo-00.gthe shore on Conk Reef, 11th August, and bilged. a'"'" 4 01 1 saved and sold Key West. 001, / 755 The Pacific,Ferguson,, from L ?g uyra to Liven , 01 fifteen miles of Key West, 20th August, a wreck. _ we d 1 , The James Grant --, from New Orleans, a l . , ' 0 501 Havannah 24th Au g gust, with damage, and l e " to a lO g a enced a hurricane on the 13th, in the Gulf, bound sp, The Brunswick, Brown, from London to HaT b atittS o ' Brunswick, Quinton, of Yarmouth, got in comae. bo .. 1 Lowestoffb • the former put into Harwich, with loss a jib-boom, &c., the latter filled ; crew saved- , 'i THE MARKETS.—(THIS DAY') HAY M A RKETS.—(At per Load of :i6 ~a s,s) rrusse ..1.8 14 gi CUMBERLAND (LATE ST. '-' 6to 11 Coarse heavy Lowland Meadow Hay -3 5 ' 5 l New Meadow Hay 215 4, Useful Old Ditto _3 15 I Fine Upland Meadow and Rye-grass Hay i U 1 p tlover Hay 1 ig Oat Straw .....£1 Sto £1 101 Wheat ataw _,„tionstP 0 Supply good, trade rather dull, and prices Po P ii SMITHFIELD. r 2 5 t 0 3 i Coarse heavy Lowland Meadow Hay............. ~ 3 9 0 ,1 New Meadow Hay 2 0 i t A Useful Old Ditto 3 l 5 Fine Upland Meadow and Rye-grass Hay...mi l 910 I Clover Hay (extra fine)...X6 o... Generally !1 14 , Oat Straw .Z 1 10 to LI l'2 I Wheat Stra w ti , A moderate supply, and a steady trade ; loi u°. . J 10 4 PRICE OF'BREAD„ W The highest price of Bread in the Metropovi}ol. 41b. Loaf. There are others who sell from 34"' _yo that price. PRICE OF SEEDS.—Ort 105 C I New Englishßed Clover Seed (per Cwt.) fine Old Ditto Ditto _ New Foreign Ditto ll)6 , i fie . - 4 - • 6Re 89. Old Ditto _ New White Clover . Old Ditto Ditto • New Trefoil - ald Ditto Rib Grass ........—.—..................—.......... 7 -I -..14-,--s :: : 0, ! 4: :: ~, _ : 1....-6: 1 01H English Carraway Seed---............ ... 4. • .....„. Oa. • i i i ii , Foreign Ditto _ - , -4. .....„ --s. t l e S o r e,oif Coriander .. . - __, , 755. ....OPP „of St. Foin ..(per Quarter)....,............ • ...,„ 1 .- .4, i i. Rye Grass ...••••••••• ..... 4. 0e i t .06 ' Pacey Ditto , _ -... go' 4j°. figi 000 4. .....6 50 0 . A Linseed, for feeding MOIMPOOIIIMPIII•1 0 4. 1 . 10.0. • 46 , .4 .60 ,0 , : Ditto, for cnishing _ - - ........... 45 * ak. Mil ofil A, ' Canary Seed, New -4..- -- ,. ....• ~„0, , "ttto Old ....„ ....• As .' IN. I°.* 010 - White Mustard Seed—(per 8u5he1)....-.. - -41 ' 8, lee• O A , Brown Ditto •••••••••••~1NW...........0.0... ."' 4 • 0.4, Ada Turnip Seeds, Rounds.. _ _ ..-s. '" 4/ ' ...4. ira, ...-0. „,,... a. - 11/ Green and Red Ditto ~...................*-* "" 4 * 09. 0.- - of* A Tares, Old Ditto New ...... - Irc , Rape Seed, English, fine (per Last) 221. 261. .... ' iv ' t, PRICE OF OIL. .., e 4 Rape Oil, brown Linseed Oil Linseed Oil Cake at the Mill, per thousand Rape Cake, per ton - PRICES OF LEATHER. '/' Per lb. d. to d. Per IN.. 8utt5.......50 to 561 b..... 15 19 Tanned "Lorre•__„..... c Ditt0...........60 to 661 b..... 16 21 Spanish Ditto __,..... ,l , i Dressing Hide 5............ 14 151 per diaith 1 6, Dressing Fine Coach Hides —..... 17 ISe Calf Skine..... -4w i t ,,, l° OD. re ' Crop Hides, 35 to 401 b. 12j 14 Ditto ........0v,„.,,,'" ge1D., 9 0 Ditto 40 to 451 b 14' 16 Ditto ..w• ''',„7„ - Allaof qitto ....... 15e 171 Small Seale,P.'" IDES. Per Ston e- Do' Ordinary Market Calt•••'''' pd SKINS. W o toy - Sh orrtt 001.... Cil• 2s. od. to 24.6 x. RAW Per Stone. a. d. to it. Rest Heifers & Staers2 8 210 Middlings 2 2 2 6 SHEEP Long Wool ....... Os. Od. to 08.0 d. Lamb 5—.......—.. WHITECHAPEL HAY 51 A ItKEr ,r0.19* 636. Od. to 844. Od. 1 Clover.... Od. to 34i.... WHITECHAPEL HAY NIARKP.....ator Hay .......... 635. Od. to 84s. 04. 1 (lover... 9 0 4" Straw 245. 04. to 34 e . 2/. ss. to a 186 ' tt P oe. RICE OF POTATOES.--IY-t• I per m°. SCOTCH MARKETS. New Pot - g Wheat. Barley Oats. pig . ----- ---. Aberdeen .... 48 60 27 31 22 24 ..,"". 0 - / Berwick.— 38 43 21 24 15 22 . „,,c'' 51 - ~, • Coldstream . 40 45 22 24 16 19 "", 41 „. , Cupar —...... 40 61 33 35 25 26 „,"" Dundee.... 60 70 33 35 30 3 1 ",i; 91 9 / Elgin...—. 50 58 30 33 20 26 '' 95_„ 11 Inverness... 4O 52 32 34 124 29 5 4 9 F a 1/ /) Kelso 42 43 22 24 17 1 9 A - .41 ,.: a.',4.. 5r;.."..1,1.. An A, WI .10 a% 32 - 1... .Mr ...IP'," ' ' ie Oats. ----..1 .1 - e Aberdeen ..... 48 60 27 31 22 24 ..„,""" Sj 5 " 5 Berwick-- 38 43 21 24 15 22 * ~.,,,, 1 5 , Coldstream .... 40 45 22 24 15 19 ~,,' 5 4_0 ", Cupar .........—., 40 61 33 35 25 26 ;2; 58 **.. Dundee....... fill 70 33 35 30 31 , r, ;2 1 A ' s lElgin ............... 50 58 30 33 20 20 ~,,' 55", nverness.,,... 40 52 32 35 24 28 '''' 52 45 , -4 Kelso ........... '42 43 '22 24 17 19 -•,,, 49 ~ ; Kirkaldy—.— 140 45 27 39 25 32 4 -', 9.4 0 U" Perth .......... 52 64 21 27 20 23 f2t " the c 0 I'. The size of the measure varies throughout nt . 21. 1 , EDINBURGH MEAL MARKET. —,,S.e 4 ldal! We had a middling supply of Oatmeal A t,..t , ff ier",„l.,, which met with a moderate demand at last wee',Tpo. ',(i ', 0 Per Sack of 2801 b. Imp. Per Stone 0. ... , 0 • First Oatmeal £2 0 0 First Oatmeal .......... . 0 I Second ditto 1 18 0 Second ditto ....... ..e. C Barleymeal 1 10 0 B ar l e yineal ............ ~:.___ Peasenseal 1 10 0 Peasemeal ...... ./a,„„rs, Pot Barley—No. 1, per cwt. 145.-2 d, 16.5..- - o u ' -- -- „d 4 11 ' . e , GLASGOW CORNMARKET.'"7:4O +'' s A We have had fair arrivals of Gtain, and r 0. •, - fP way about Is. per boll. t o , 0 264 b. 0 0 / Wheat, per 2401 b. a. d. s. d. Oats, per 0 British, old 250t027 0 Irish ............... ...• ~... 0 0 --..... new Canada, free • 2B 0 30 0 Beans, Per ! s * 0 Irish Barley, per 3201 b. Scottish ..••••!i; ... ; 1 0 4 9. English — 0 C Pease, Scott i ,' 4 olb, ',3 0 Scottish 29 0 30 0 Oatmeal, per '„ ' Irish . 51°' ....................................... ----- . n on e joi , Ihe Rev. SYDNEY SNIITII read I ,,,catb, 0 . , day last as one of the Residentiaries of st.N"' Chie l .( tr'' Dr. MALTBY, the new Bash ° s o e' of' trnro,wi morning as consecrated fo rl t.post o puron doizigoinagee Sunday, :ndlft:bis * I SP' at Windsor. cl, to e , We are authorised by Mr..D.° A " , uiitl 11' 0 i ° that a requisition to the. High Sheriff_ for a n . :0. 1,5 ' ing, to consider the case of Mr. and Mre• '" ,tl °I ' 9 course of. signature. —Hampshire' Chow west .- f o r o The general impression at the t the . lle bi I the town at a late hour last night wasp th 4 d re aarg Rill would be thrown out on the see °6 A s'i 14 : i majority varying between 25 and 3 5 • .10 le rte.,• • The Marquis of LoNDoNDE ni ' l wag aisor' leniazedvingbyatsoainqeuioefk tphaece,erdorwewd, the House 'of - Lords yesterday eveving,: d tlirir , 0 1 hi s ho le t o;` v orit iOg w ga i t t h h e o r u i t ng any ar f o u u r n th d er probation pretty loudly. His Lordship, W :::, the pair n „iere tot "tlit iv Herald.. th is 1 tb e L VO l - 11. 0 I BEAUTIFUL WOMEN. —Tiie - veo ties ire .. of Mrs. JAMESON'S " 11Iemoirs of the • a 4 50 0 lu` o . .; Court of King Charles IL," Which l' 3. : i , i‘li o p ° , contains the Portraits of Lady Bro ,, t s - 'ittinp l ' te ,ft ' the Countess of SUNDERLAND, and IV lr '" Co WI oo T . the 05 f3A f and the Memoirs of Miss LAwsw, i% , 0 0 ~,r o s, „ to te , CHESTERFIELD, the Countess of RocoY__.-- t he vo o uP. _ to ber .. ,_ we , interruption him , and proceededbei o a a s . ••••••" 1 (afterwards Lady Falmouth), Mrs. isi° r " Otle ' 0 1° ' • e SouTurstc, and Lady BELLASYS • o ft r .„,e ‘ ll completes this splendid and interestioga bis observe is now especially patronised " up pho expre e h at 61 1 : 0 ,01, • Illf atre Duke of DavoNsulaz. . 4. -..,. This, „ e l 1 , 1 COVENT GARDEN THEATO!' et fold si, , Ye opened last night with the t ra gedy of fr es . • '1 ", ; . 0 rt;, the drama of. Th e Miller and 1,0.4— ac ting tu- it B ici' fr appeared as Hamlet. His manner e lengC' ened y ° il l e f so well known .to the publie,gthe e ! I not lece" ar •• ve al upon it at this time would be whebY v - e been r-4 e o ' merits and defects which mark 't f I's: that vlole son te, s ion , o t discussed ; but we must needs co , n , c forn ,,,c o' ca b .,vel l f a ults _ o e' the energy which the actor stowed upon it seems to have ab ate d ' Miss ha Lo: '0 decreased in a corresponding rl: °'„, a t thi' h , l 11 0 ' e peared, for the first time, We be-,eivotage than , s e _ .e 0 0 Ophelia, and was seen tog ' eater vcharacters til o e l ,. . e' ever before seen her. In the other The tragedy •••' little novelty that deserves n otice. r _ onab i y foil. nerally applauded, and the house r a sa 1 0 . , .s, -0 Dt A ligl,P, g 1 ' Northamptortlio tomer On the 20th ult. at the MargLeeretary of Leg: ot (10 01 0 0 Ashby, the Baron de Norman, wihnina, young. ling Prussian Majesty at Hamburg, lwan Clepharle of t " Pr co ur:i of the late Lieut.-General Mac e , e "' '' Torloisk, KB, a long and very_:,h_cier At Binegar, Somersetshire,afterwm. J a mes, Pa l ' ship of thirtv-one years (!) Mr. • 011! sexton, to Miss Batt. in hi r c, , DIED. k Clieltenlilbet M h eLl? On the 17th ult. at Rey e n r s e ham illtriTsns;the Hon• t r o f Orog;; r Uraotrbearftteortahelolnafeaanndd u se n y cle to the prese_a_.,l2l,l9o.squag;n: f... 4., 24th ult. in Harley-street, Ua".. , n a —• J)„ rrat,n t, 1.:.-.1, On the Durant Esq. eldest so 30th year, (0. . ,_p V ret ie" ' v i of Tong Castle, near Shittbal baio • d on of the late E. 10:- 4 Lately, tyroby Ferrers, Our s nf •fielcil i" the of I" and Lady Harriet Ferrel 's. s hire Mrs. ~.3) w t us( At Dayton-le-Marsh, Linco n , to the last the per. . ( tie 10 year of her age. She retained • s treet, Soho, faculties. . ._... o f K, n g- On the I.:t inst. D. NIVCD, .34.9 73d year of his age. a,°ted......the YOUN O, A' PaI"ED IND ÜBLISHED SY SN O FFICE , 112, S TRAND , LONDON. GRAN P9LIT