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111 PE R.LIL PA itLIAM ENT: HOUSE OF LORDS-(LAST NIGHT. Mr. Draper, from the Treasury, presented the last Re. port of the Commissioners of Revenue Inquiry. MALT AND BEER DUTIES. The, Marquis of BUTE presented a petition front th: • Inhabitants of Banbury, praying for a repeal of the Al,l end Beer Duties.—Adjaurned till Monday. 1101.1 SE OF COMMONS--(LAST NIGHT.) This being the 4ott day for the rivtption of petitifins Private Bil!s, a considei aide nut!-er were presented to liouse. LIMERICK ELECTION. The SPEAKER informed the House that be h.d re ceirell a letter from ti:e Hanaper Office, in Dublin, enc!oa ing a petition from Mr. M. air. -son, which complained of the undue return of Mr. P. Grady for the county of Li merick. lIUNGERFORD MARKET.I Mr. 11011110 USE presented a petition from certain o. the inhabitattts of Westminster, praying leave to bring is the Establishment of a Market in Hungerford •treet, Strand. PORTBIAN MARKET. Mr. BYNG ►resented a petition from xertain of the in habitants of the parish of Marylehone, praying leave to bring in . a Bill for the satablislanent of Portman Market in that parish. These petitions were referred to Committees. WIGAN RAIL ROAD. The Repert of the Committee havir,g stated that th, Standing Orders, with respect to the Bill in this case, 7•atl been complied with, and that the parties were at li ber, to proceed, STANLEY moved tit a petition ; which he had presented from the Liverpool and Leeds Canal Company ,:gaittit the Bill, and complaining that the Standing Or ders kali not been complied rith, be referred to the original Conttnittee. After some ettnrrations fr,:m the STEALER, Lord At -rnottr, 11311,4 !Qr. N. CALvsseT, the petition RIM referred So the Comittee. TRADE WITH INDIA. - Mr. EGERTON presented a petition from the Mayor and other inhabitants of Congleton, praying that fusthn restrictions be imposed on the? East Indi a comp an y' s ex desire trade. PUBLIC DISTRESS. Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition from the inhaliitants of the parish of Christ Churets ) Bristol, complaining of • Distress, anti praying a redaction of Taxation. Sir J. ASTLEY presented a petition from the Nobility, Genttree Clergy, and Freeholders of Wiltshire, - • complaining of Agricultural and General Distress. The /lota Beronet supported the prayer of the petition, and ea:pressed his surprise that Government and the House ehould (Hanley so much indii erence. to the !offerings of a starring people. Mr. BENETT also stprarted the prayer of the petition, end observed, that a county meeting would have been held but for a consideration of the great distance which some 01 ette FreeireMere would he obliged to travel in the depth of winter to attend that meeting. Tire petitio:n was then ordered to be printed. Mr, DUGDALP.: presented a petition from Kenilworth, complaining of distress ; end a petition to the same affect, from several othet Piseiwitis in Warwickshire, Lord W. POWLISTT presented petitions of a similar ratnre from Anifnit';' and from five ether places in the c"nntY of So".thampton. QUESTION OF PRIVILEGE. Mr. LITTLETON rose to present a petition involving a eurstii nof the privileges of that House, The petition eras from a will known attorney of great respectability, at Birmingham, Mr. Thomas Eyre Lee ; of whose proles einnal employment, the conduct of private business through the Hemet of Commons was a branch. Mr. Lee stated, 'that hewing, in the month of November last, given notice in the: Newspapers of his intention to apply for a certain 0.11 in the text Session, he received a letter dated Great George-street, and signed William Behert Sydney, infiarn ing him that the writer had entered into partnership with Mr. Daniel Whittle Harvey, es - Parliamentary Agents; end that his practice and experience for several years gave hies facilities in conducting Parliamentary business, which veseald be found very advantageous to his clients, indepen• t:lently of the alliance which he had formed with Mr. Ile.rvey. The letter wee franked by Mr. Harvey, and (mire under what appeared to be the common seal of the Atm. Tilt, petitioner disclaimed all private or personal reaotiv.es, hut prayed that the House would take into its Nee - ions cm:side:re:ion whether the praetice here disclosed, oaf Members peseinisiog an interest in Bills which were in 'irogress through that House, was not one which ought to disallowed. • The petition eras then brought np. On the motion that -it be read, Mr. W. lIARVEY resae, and thanked the lion. 'Wern her ft* Staffindehire, for the candid manaer in which he • had yesterday evening communicated to him his intention ot presenting this petition. Whatever other sentiments the House might entertain respecting the letter in question, eonld not consider it defective in candour and open• • nets. As to the petition, until- he'heard on the authority ef the Hetose itself that professional persons pursuing the breech of e the profession which be pursued were to be in , terdicted from pursuing the most respectable part of it, ii they happened to' be Members of the House of Commons, he should. riot believe that- such was the, law. He ad - emitted frankly and at once that the statement in the letter, its it respected, himself was ,true.' If it were declared to lie erentrary to the law of Parliament, no one would bow twete readily than himself to that decision. -But the (pee. siinri was one of much greaterin•portance than snit affected him individually. The consideration of it ought to be co existent with the consideration of a very broad species of reforms. Whatever princip'e en the subject the House might think proper to recognise, no one would more cor traity concur in the recognition than himself. If it should be determined that no person being a member of a Com mittee of that House should have the remotest shade of in tercet in the business under the consideration of that Com mittee) in such a determination he would heartily coin ride ; and he was reran vied, that it would be very satis /eatery to the country thus to thew that no Member of a Committee would be exposed to any temptation, direct, or indirect, to swerve from the line of his public duty. He apprehended, however, that no Hon. Member was prepared to contend that the Committee of that House were se constituted ; and ha was glad tie petition e4l2e when nothing had been done in Private Cein tnittees, and, therefore, early enough to admit of the ex reblishment of the principle which he had deseribed ; for he would defy any one to say of hint that he had taken a pert in any Ccnunittce, in the business betiire which he had the tithe of a farthing of interest. Could every Mein her of a Committee say as much? Men in his branch of the profession had frequently bad seats in that Houle, continuing their practice. The late Mr. Smith, Solicitor a i r the Treasury, was a Member of that House. Mr. Jones, f,trtnerly Solicitor to the Commissioners of Woods and Forests, was a Membee of that House. Would any one say that they lied no sight to pitreue their general prac tice ? If ISO, the same might be said of the Attorney and Solicitor-General. The profits of the Attorney and Soli .eitor-Genecal, as compared with the profits of a member of his breach of the profession, were exceedingly great.— Having been paid for drawing a bill, they nevertheless felt an hesitation in afterwards coming down to the House, deliberating and dividing upon it. If it should be es tablisher/ as a principle that: no Metnber of Viet House could be a Member of a Committee on a matter in which he had the remotest interest, that principle the public and the House worn! perfivtly multi - stand. He for one s'nould rejoice to see in e.tatilished that when a Member entered a Committee-romn he should swear that he had no interest, direct or indirect, in the matter under the con sideration of that Committee. Ile begged the House to nrelerstand that the petition which ha.l been presented by the Honourable Member for Staffordshire was not, in fact, the petition of Mr. Eyre Lee, but was the peti tion of the officers of that House ; fur the course which Mr. Sydney was pursuing was unfavourable to their cool snout( emoluments. He had a right to complain of the enormous expense attending the soliciting of Bills in Par liament. Economy was much talked of, but what he wanted to we was practical economy ; and he thought that professional man deserved well of his country who endeavoured to diminish the expense in question. What was the object of the letter of which the petition com plained ? To inform solicitors that they nerd t.ot have Parliamentary egLnte, who would put thtan to an expense of 500/:, (lOW., and 700 t., and as he had known in some ewes LOU ; but that the business would be transacted at the same tate as ordinary law. proceedings. That, to propose a saving of time and 'money was, in his opinion, nighty laudable, and he would not sorink from his part.of the responsibility attached to the proposition. At the ::airs time, be was quite ready to submit to the opinion of the House if they determined that no Member of that Howse should have any connection or interest of that na tnre, and if they applied -the principle in all cases rigidly, sternly, and satisfactorily. But he was sure the House acrd';' not apply to any individual a restriction, however ev - - !•sorite if till - gilt beCruiSidered,-frotn which tits .'lent uete atexeunt, • wh4terer decision, hew • vlortsbiwans f4e - svairrh i 91 itlid *44 ever, the House might come upon the subject, he shoulii cheerfully sulimit.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. LITTLETON gave great credit to the Hon Gent. for the candour and frankness with which he had ex pressed himself. lie had • not determined whether •te move the reference of the petition to a Select Committee or to the Oamniqttle of Privileges. At present he would msrely rtto.. , that the petition be printed. Mr. HARVEY observed, that he had omitted to men tion that before be had taken the step which he bad adopted, he bad taken the advice of a very eminent P.eader, who was a Member of a Ctinninittee of which lie was also a Alembeen. That gentleman hail reminded him of the insulate . : cf Sir James Graham. The Commit'ee on which they were sitting was a Gas-Light Committee ; the Hon. Member, when he (Mr. Harvey) asked him if ho thought there would be any objection to the step which he contemplated, on the ground that a Member ought not to have an interest in any Parliamentary proceeding, bade him look round them, and he would see that there were several Metabers who had shares to a latge amount in the undertaking to which the Bill under eon3itheratien related. For himself, he had never attempted to obtain any undue influence in Committees of that House ; sad his Parlia mentary conduct had been, and would continue to be, as independent as that of any man in the House. He believen that even the Hon. Member for Staff irdshire himself had a considerable interest in a Canal, the Bill respecting which was in a Committee to which that Hon. Member belenged. For himself he renewed, that he never had had an interest of that kihd to the amount of six-and-eightpence. Mr. LITTLETON said that the Hon. Member was that he had a n y i nterest i n t h e mistsken, in s upp os i ng Coventry Canal. In other Canal Bills, however, he had certlinly had an interest. The petitint was then ordered to be printed. Sir P. BURDETT presented a petition from the In habitants of the Parish' of St. James, pray ing for the abo lition of Select Vestries.—Referred to the consideration of the Committee on the subject. COMMUTATION OF SENTENCES. Mr. STANLEY begged to call the attention -of the House and the Right Hen. Secretary of State for the home Department to a petition, which was of no inconsiderable importance, although it proceeded from a single individual, and that individual in a very unfortunate situation. As far as he was aware, the case *as altogether new. The cir cumstances were these 1824 the petitioner was con victed under what is called Lord Eilenborough's Act, of stabbing with intention to commit murder. The Judge be fore whom he was tried accordingly ordered sentence of death to be recorded. Afterwards, however, being im pressed with the notion that the prisoner, at the time of committing the offence, was not pane, lie commuted the punishment to one which, as far as he (Mr. Stanley) was informed, was altogether new, and in the strictest sense of the expression, illegal. He had consulted many pro fessional men on the subject, and they had uniformly de clared that it was not conformable to the practice of the law, or to the constitution, for the Judge to commute the sentence of death to a sentence of imprisonment for the prisoner's natural life, . accompanied with hard labour. If the case of the prisoner's sanity had been put to the Jury, and they•had determined that at the time of com mitting. the offence he was not sane, the prisoner would then have been detained in custody until his 31.1jetny'e pleasure respecting hint was known. But that seas no; put to tile Jury, and by their verdict of guilty they esta blished the prisoner's sanity. The preceeding was exclu sively that of the Judge, whose motive no man could In an instant question—he meant Mr. Justice Bayley; than whom a more humane man never sat upon the bench.__ (Hear, hear.)—lle should be glad, however, to know if the Learned Judge was justified in the comae which he had adopted ? The petitioner bad now been five years in prison, although frequent a:plications Lad been made to the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite by respectabl e indi viduals, by the Grand Jury, and he believed by the Judge himself, for a remission of his punishment. It was well known that the Hon. Gentleman was always ready to at tend to applications of that nature ; but the circumstances in which he was placed with respect to the subject were so full of difficulty, that it had been though: desirable that the petitioner should lay his case before the House. The difficulty was this—the sentence having been once com muted, could not again be commuted for transportation ; ' for if the prisoner were to return from tranaportatioe without leave, he could not be punished for that act. On the other band, to the liberation of the prisoner, the pro secutor would not consent, conceiving that in that case his own life would not be safe ; and thus his fate mainly depended on the opinion of one individual, and that indi vidual his prosecutor. It was unileubtedly a case of hard ship. He should be glad to be informed if there were no means of affording the petitioner relief, either by a pardon or by any other mode which would insure hiagoing out of the country. He was a young man Of not above three or four-and-thirty ; and his anxiety to avoid passing his whole life within the walls of a prison was by so means surprising. He moved for leave to bring up the petition. Mr. Secretary PEEL said that he befit red the lion. Member had correctly' stated all the facts of the case, ea far as the petitioner was concerned. The petitioner, whose name, was Wild, was capitally convicted in the year 1824, under Lord Ellenborough's Act, of stabbing Ina uncle, in whose employment lie was. He (Mr. Peel) would few poaely abstain from detailing the evidence on which the petitioner had been convicted, in order that he might not create a prejudice against him. Sentence of death having been recorded against the prisoner, the Judge before whom he was tried afterwards entertained some doubt whether he was sane at the time of the comtnisaion of the offence.— That Judge, as the Hon. Gentleman had stated, was Mr. Justice Bayley, whose complete knowledge of the law, aed whose great hutnanity in the administration of it, every one must acknewledge.--s(llear, hear )—Under the infle - ence of the doubt which he had described, Mr. Justice Bayley determined not to execute the petitioner, but com muted the punishment to imprisonment for life witk hard lalmur. The Hon. Member said that was illegal. He (Mr. Peel) did not think that its perfect legality could be questioned: He entertained this conviction because he had received eight or ten letters an the subject from Mr. Justice Bayley - himself; and lie was sure that if the Learned Judge had entertained any doubt of the legality of his proceeding, he woul•I here conferred with the other Judges on the subject, and would have communicat e d the result of - that cenferenee. Capital sentence having been passed upon the petitioner, he (Mr. Peel) could not under stand why to commute that punishment for imprisonment ' for life was illegal. He had'subtriitted the case to the Law Officers of the Crown, and they entertained no doubt of the legality of ti e commutation of the punishment of death for any punishment of less severity. In treating of the general doctrine of pardons, it was observed by Blackstone, " A pardon may also be conditional ; that is, the Kim; may ex tend his mercy upon what terms he pleases ; and may annex to his bounty a condition either precedent or subsequent, on the perfoemance whereof the validity of the pardon will depend; and this by the common law." He believed, therefore, that the sentence was a perfectly legal one. lie had referred the whole of the facts to the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, who wart then the Attorney-General and his Learned Colleague, and they never had a doubt of the legality of time proceeding. But they stated, that after a Judge had commuted a punishment, it was not in the power of a Secretary of State to snake a further counnu tation. The hard labour, however, had been remitted. A word co general cases of this kind.—No situation could he more painful than that of a man Acquitted of a crime on the greund of his insanity ; and the present was a case similar in its character. If so acquitted, he still became a prisoner lie regretted to say that many unhappy persons were in that condition. Now, a man might be acquitted of murder, or some other capital offence, on the ground of his being insane at the time, and might be imprisoned in consequence; but he might afterwards become perfectly sane, and apply fur his discharge. The Secretary of State had then a very painful duty to perform; a duty which required the exercise of much caution. He remembered the case of a woman tried for arson, and acquitted on the ground of in sanity, who was released from confinement by his prede cessor in office, on its appearing that she had become perfectly sane. The first thing, however, that she did atter her liberation, Ives to return to the Vacs! where she hail committed the offence for which she bad been tried, and in the most extraordinary and deliberate manner again set fire to the same premises. Another, who had been ac quitted of murder on the ground of insanity, and after wards liberated when it was presumed that be bail become sane, had been detected ie a contrivance to murder three persons. A person-in confinement might appear to be re stored to sanity ; but when he rewrite.' into the world, and was exposed to all the irritation resulting from mix ing with society, it frequently happened that his insanity hail returned. In his description of his own case, the pe titioner stated that he had formerly been wounded in the heed, and that when he took a little liquor lie dial nut :now arhat lie was doing. Some ciutien was necessity ttetbre such a pets >n WAS again let loose upon society., He (Mr. Peel) had applied to the prosecutor far his consent to • the liberation of the prisoner; but tbe answer was, that he lord a wife and nine children, and that he should not. consider his life safe if the prisoner were released. He (Mi-. Peel) wculd most willingly have commuted the imprisonment for transportation for life, • had such a com mutation been legal, but having consulted the Law offi cers on the subject, they decided that he had no authority tn. do so. had, intimated to the prieoner a thatadthime h could nut Epintnlife hi s s i utence, yet that if Le Emits! For life. . • obtain ample seem ity that thevpristmet would immediately embark for New South Wales, and - would remain, there, • he would consent to such ararrangement. Sir C. WETHERELL confirmed the statement made by the Right Hon. Gentleman. The cage had been re ferred to ibim officially when he was Attorney-General, and he haa given it as his opinion that a sentence of death might be commuted ffw perpetual :imprisonment; but that any second cothnintiation would he illegal. Colonel DAVIES said that this individual had been wounded in the head, and when in liquor he was in 4ane; as the persons in New South Wales had an equ..l value for their lives as the 'maple of Engknd, it was as absurd to allow the prisoner to go free in one country a. in the other. Mr. PEEL said no tran was in any danger from the prisoner, except an individual against whom l:e en tertained some particular feelings of revenge. The [louse, he trusted, Would pause ht..fore they asked fur papers in a matter so exclusively belonzing to the prerogatives of the Crown. Mr. STANLEY read a part of this paper; and aPer an explanation from Mr. Pe e l, it was ordered to lie en the table. TREASURER OF THE NAVY. Sir JAMES GRAHAM gave notice, that on Monday next he would more, as an Amendment of the Orders of the Day, a Resolution to consider the manner in which the office of Treasurer of the Navy had been filly-d up.— (Hear, hear.) rcr a great amount of disbursements was connected with the prOgtesabf - works to which the House had given its previons , sanetion, and .eonsequently the works must hr left unfinished, or the country must undergo a great ex pence in completing them.—(Laughter.).-:Reduction s had also been made less practicable in this account; for former years had been relieved by old outstanding balances, which of course were not applicable to the present account. The reduction, however, amounted to 276,9001., making on the whole Estimates of the year for the Army, Nary, Ordnance, and Miscell sneous Expenses, to amount to 1,091,990/ This. he trusted, would be considered by the House as a satisfactory indication, on the part of Ministers, to ge heartily and cordially into the work of reduction to which they had considered themselves pledged from the moment of their entering office. ]:tat in estimating the expence of the ensuing years, it had been found practice!, by the re• duction of interest upon Exchequer Bills, to make a sav ing of 190,0004 in the annual expenditnre. Titus, in the present year, there would be a to:al saving Of 1,300,0004 His object had been to state facts to the House ; and he would not trouble the House with any fur. titer observations. Those persons who had declared that a reduction of from eight to nine millions might be effected, would receive with regret the statement he had made; while others, who, like the Hon. Member for Montrose (Mr. Hume) thought that ne reduction could be made, would, no doubt, be agreeably surprised; but lie trusted, that to the House and to the country it would be satisfac tory ; because the reduction had been made without im pairing- the efficiency of our establishments, and because it had been made without display.—(Hear, hear, hear.) — They heal net attempted to make that specious reduction which would only !aye foundation for actual increase in some future year, when the pressure of sonic temporary distress might be experienced. But they, by looking at the minor expenditure, by lapping off those little excres cences which lied sprung frith unobserved, they had ef fected that reduction which, he would venture to say, was calculated to give leref to the people, and afford them an earnest of the intentions of his Majesty's Ministers to do their duty as fir as regarded the expenditure of the (man try.---( /leer, hear.) Mr. lIUME said that either lie must have explained himself very imperfectly, or the Right Hon. the Chan cellor of the 'Exch• quer must have strangely misunder stood him. He had never maintained the opinions attri buted to him by the Right Hon. Gentleman. What he had sail was, that no adequate reduction could he effected on those it ms—that nothing could he thus done which would afford the people relief; nor was lie in the least dis posed to retract this assertion. He would not acknow ledge he was mistaken. In the first place, he thought the Right Hon. Gentleman had made an erroneous statement. He (Mr. Goulburn) said the present Estimates were lower than any since the year I°o4 ; but he (Mr. Hume) found that so ter was this from being the ease, than the reduc tion was not that of one year, but of a stripe of years. He hoped, therefore, the House would not suffer itself to be led array by the erroneous statements of the Right Hon. Gentleman. Many of his assertions Were errone ous; as, for instance, he (Mr. Goulburn) had stated that the Estimates of this year were 200,0001. less than the year before ; but by a reference to the balance sheet, he (\lr. Hume) found that the three great Estimates, to gether with the miscellaneous, amounted to 460,000/. e CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ex that the balance sheet was merely an account of the exesnditure during the year past, and never tabled with the Estimates. In the present instance, there was a sum of 500,0004, which was paid last year, having be,-n due the year before. Ministers, he remarked, did not take credit last year, when the expenditure, as it ell. peered on the balance sheet, was less than the estimates. Mr. HUME resumed—He believed it was the practice of Ministers to take either the balance sheet or the esti mates, as it might best suit their convenience. —(Hear, and a laugh.)—slut no matter; he would now refer to the expenditure in the years 1822 and 1823. In 1822, the total expenditure, for army, nary, ordnance, and mis cellaneous, amounted to 16,006,000/. By the account now furnished it appeared that they amounted to 17,665,000/. They accordingly now amounted to shout 1,C00,0004 more than in 1922. But as 1822 might be objected to, he would now take 1923. The expenditure in this year amounted to 16,028,287/. ; and taking the average of both years, 1822 and 1823, it would be ;G, 5 ,0001. At present the amount gas 17,200,000/. all, therefore, the Chancellor of the Exchequer had conic down wt's one million, arid, therefore, he bed only reduced the expenditure to the rate of 1822. He (Mr. H.) was, therefore, perfectly justified in protesting against the con clusion that they were then at the lowest point of expendi ture since the year 1604. He would now beg the House to call to mind his proposition. The [louse would recol lect that he had mentioned that a reduction in the expen diture on the Army and Ordnance might he made to the extent of 1,150,000/. ; and here he begged the House to remark that the grounds he took for this were, that many of the Army expenses were now placed under the head of Ordnance expenditure—and he thought very properly—as for instance, the expeners on barracks were placed under the Ordnance Estimates. Therefore it was not fair to take the Estimates of the expenditure on the Military tablishmenta, without adding that on the Ordnance to it. If, then, they took the expenditure on the Ordnance to gether with that on the Army—the first amounting to 1,569,000/, and the second to 7,700,000/., they would have a total of 9,278,000/. for the Army, the expence of both having been, in the year 1794, only 2,500,0001. ; so that there seas an increase of 7,000,0001. on these two establishments since the year 1794. Now, he did not make his proposition, without allowing for the Army and Ord nee cc Dead Weight. No; for the first he allowed 2,982,0004 —fur the second, 365,2204 ; and accordingly, for hotli, 3,300,0001., which he was to take from the 9,300,0004 and they would then have six 'pillions to pay fir the Artny and Ordnance, exclusive of ell pensions and debts; a sum from which, he contended, 2,100,0001. might he taken, without injuring the interests of the country, or impairing; the efficiency cif these establishments, since they would then have four millions to expend upon them, which was amply sufficient. For, in the first place, the Ordnance ought not to be kept up on its present extensive scale. He felt himself called upon to ray this, after the challenge of the Right Hon. Gentleman. The expenditure on the Ordnance he could declare had been increased three-fold since the year 1792. - In that year the expenditure on the corps of engineers, Lippert , ' miners, and the artillery, amounted to 151,000/. In 1822 it was raised to 427,0001., and ill 18.28 it reached 470,000/. Not only had the number of men • been - increased, but also the steff :appointments, and that from about two to fifty-eight. The fact was, his Majesty's Ministers looked at these mat ters as if they were about to be called on to take the field Inc a second Waterloo. But he regarded them with another eye. He differed with Ministers as to the pro priety and expediency of maintaining a great military force, when he considered our insular situation, and when he saw such einandaut reason to apprehend that the country would be at length borne down by the pressure of its war like burthen, this million and a half seemed so dispro portionete to the benefits it produced, that he could not expect that Ministers would be able to effect any reduc tion beneficial to the country, unless the House compelled them to cut down the force of the military. This reduc tion of one million was not what the country had a right to expect.—(Heer.)—Besidis, he could not help offering settle remark on the reason assigned for not cutting down the Ali:jury and Miscellaneous Estimates ; forsooth, they had embarked in certain works, which if not continued, they would be compelled to abandon altogether. There fore Site House WAS , called upon to agree to an expendi ture of two millions and a half; and be trusted it would be borne in recollection that when the first vote of 50,0001. was called upon two years ago, fur the for tifications in Canada, he - had foretold what would be the result of this compliance. Next, as to the Mi litia; he would ask, why should they only have a reduction of 60,000/. on its expenditure, which amounted to 280,000/, ? W hyshould they have only 16,0001. taken front that other item—the volunteer or yeomanry corps? Why should not the yeonianry be dispensed with altogether ? Was there .so little pa- , triotiset in our Aristocracy that they would not area their retainers, and place themselves at their head in case of need or large:. And here, in justice, he :mst say, that if Mr. Canning had bead, and an Hon. Friend of his had remained ha the Home Office, he (Mr. Hume) firmly be lieved that they would not then lie put to 10/. expense for volunteers er yeomaury. As to the reduction which had been effected by the present Administration, he considered it only a postponemeet of expense, because Ministers Must complete the works in which they had engaged. He would next speak of the Irish Estimates, and • would be glad to illion :I: k J :h o e : l ' F , aria: this s hat be C a a o n t , : a u e n i c f i e l :liittaeh(!mirtgelcihformt thusdhat at le a a t reduction o e x pe nder]. ooo 7 . f ought to hays been taken off this ;ear. For the last: xri yew; there had been a dreadful waste of the public money in /relent], and it was lavished with a view of maintain ing corruption, and keeping up an undtie influence. )antthis. ought t o b e b rought to an red; they had, afterthe measures which h a d b een l ate l y pissed, a right to extract that Ireland sou d be placed upon the same footing as England and Scotland. - 11, hoped, therefore, that elms Chancellor of the Exchequer in nut alluding - to any nation of the item, had only made an omission.—(Heate) Ife;had next to ask, Ives it net proposed to make ship° *action in the expendeure on the Colenies s which drained the country every year to such a frightfid ex tent? Itwas really monstrous to observe the salaries of officers—the manner in which these offices were filled up— the way in which the revenues were collected, and the militarytxpenses of each colony. The evil was notorious ; and yet was it to be passed by in total silence. Again, he wished to impress upon the House that they could not persist in maintaining an establishment of eighty-one thousand infantry; eight thousand artillery, sappers, joiners, and engineers; and thirty thousand seamen—n[l aggregate of military force which no country, in however perfect a state of prosperity, ought to maintain in time of peace.—(Near, hear.) The evils resulting from this see tem were the worst and most Oppressive. The number of pensioners on the public was, in the first place, perpe tually increasing, and therefore the Dead Weight was in creasing in proportion. No relief could, therefore, be ob tained, until this was altered ; for what was the present . state of the country? Sixty-five or seventy-fire thousand tern were rsquired to keep our Colonies ; for, indepen dent of the forces maintained there, it was necessary to have depots and preparatory establishments. In a word, no great or effectual reduction in the burthens of the country could be made, until they first reduced the num ber of men on the military establishments, nod until they brought down the Staff to the atone state it was in before the war. It now cost one hundred thousand pounds. A reduction had been made ; but what was it. A reduction of medical officere.—(blear, and a laugh.) Twenty thousand men ought to be at once reduced, and then he thought a saving of four millions would come within the scope of Ministers' power. He hoped the House would Lave time to read the Right Hoe. Gentlemau's statement• He thought the 17,00,0004, or the 16,700,000/., might be reduced by upwards of six millions, which, with the surplus revenue, would give a sum of eight mil lions to the people—(Year, hear)—if Ministers would only consent to abandon a system by which they had placed this country in an erroneous situation with respect to Europe. • Lord ALTHORP said he wou ld not wirlihell his praise from the reductions as far as they went; they cer tainly were greater than he expected, but yet he was bound to say they were not sufficient when he considered the distressed stuns of the country.—(Hear, hear.) They were not sufficient to give any material relief.—(hear.) As lie was on his !ewe he would tyke the opportunity of thanking the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr Peel) for the reforms he had stated it to be in his contempla tion on the preceding night. The Right Hon. Gentleman appeared disposed to strike off more patronage than any other Administration bad ever before consented to resign.- --(Hear, hear.) He trusted this was a sign that the Right Hon. Gentleman intended to carry on the Govern ment supported by the attachment of the people; but he begged to remind him that lie must first ameliorate the condition of the population, which could not• be done without effording them relief from the bur then of taxation.—( Hear, hear.) He was surprised that the Right Hon. the Chancellor of the Eat:che quer had said nothing of the taxes, although he did not expect that any Administration would ever make a suf ficient reduction of its own accord. The House must compel them. He was well aware of the feeling that prevailed in the breasts of those presiding over any par ticular departments. For instance, lie knew the energy and activity the Hon. and Gallant Officer (Sir 1-1. Ilardinge) displayed in the mato:gement of the affairs of the Ordnance. He knew his anxiety to have everything in the same state of order and efficiency as in time of tear; and he could understand the pride he (Sir H. Hat- Binge) felt in his department, and the sentiments which would urge him to oppose any reduction which would have the effect of diminishing the force over which he exer cised a controul. But the House should not share in those feelings, nor adopt such reasoning. They should recollect. that their best way to prepare for war was by filling the pockets' of the people—( tlear, hear)---lad not hy keep ing up our military establish ments on t h e same enormous scale as at present. In conclusion he would (decree that it would be their duty to look to the various estimates in tie Committee, and to reduce them as much es they could.—(Hear, Lear.) Sir E. KNATCHBULL allowed that the reduction exceeded his expectetions, and lie pre the Administration credit for wishing to reduce the expenditure of the country to the utmost possible limits, consistent with what they deemed the efficient maintenance of the Civil and Military Establisienent.—(Hear hear.)—But the amount of this reduction was in nowise calcuiated to give relief to the-people in their present (list - reset" condition. He had in a frank and candid manner borne witeese to the go- d • intentions of the Adininistration—(llear, I :lo—while ' he at the same time &elated they had not done eitough. In discussing this question, lie, however, felt himself placed in a situation of extreme difficulty. lie might l o ok to t h e establishments o f th e country in reference to its character and situation in the European community. In this view he must agree with Ministers that there Druid be no farther reduction. But there was another view of the case, which referred to the internal circumstances of the country; and locking thus, lie was bound to ask. if the country could bear the pres.ure of its present btu - then? and then lie would be obliged to acknewledee he could not see the cabability of its supporting itself in the elm/chin it at that motneet occupied. In looking to the Adminis tration, he could say that he believed that there was no gentleman connected with it who did not ably and zea lously discharge the thrice of his office ; and yet when there ' WAS a question if the salaries of public men ought not to be reduced, he was obliged to give his voice in the affirma tive, because he felt that it was imptissible for the country • to pay for their services at that rate—of which thsy were, perhaps, well closet ring. The fact was, the Government had only two csurses open to them; they must either change the policy tray hail for some time past pursued, or they should reduce taxation. The Administration was pi•eeisely placed tinder these circumstanc e . ; within the last five Gears they had adopted the liberal policy (as it was called) of the If ;n Member for Montrose, and other Hon. Members, who generally sat on the second Opposition Bench; they followed their advice in respect to matters of commerce and the internal government of the country, but they had neglected that which the Hon. Gentlemen had always recommended as a toncomitant of this free trade system ; they had mule no reduction in taxation—(liear, hear)-_therefore they had now only one of the two courses to pursue—they must either abandon this new pulicy,• or they roust make an efficient reduction iu taxation.—(Bear, hear.)—For if they hesitate now to adopt the concomitant measure, and no decline both coursei, the country must fall between the two propositions e and he (Sir E. Knatch bull) knew not how it was to be extricated.—(Heer.)—He inigot he deceived in there gloomy prospects, and he should be delighted if it was so ; but he felt that he would not have discharged his duty, if he had not stated his views upon the subject. Giving, then, his Majesty's Ministers credit for the hest inter tiorta, acknowledging that the re ductions had exceeded his expectations he would conclude by declaring lie saw little prospect of their relieving the country from the desperate state of distress under whichit then suffered,' unless one of the two courses lie had men tioned was promptly taken.—(llear, hear, bear.) 311 . . W. HORTON said, that when the lion. 3/ember for Aberdeen, knowing, as he must know, that every parish in England was surcharged with paupers, proposed, by wey of relief, to reduce the army by twenty thousand men, and thus increase by twenty thousand the present formi e &dile anemia of paupers, lie must take the liberty of say ing that lie thought the Hon. Member's proposition not a little extraordinary. Supposing the proposition of die, HOU. MClllber were carried into effect, it muet still fall as a measure of relief to that class to whose dietresses it should be the object of the House to apply some remedy— he meant the labouring claim Did he (Mr. W. Horton) then mean to say that there ought to be no reduction hf the military force? By no means. Wherever reduction could be fairly effected, he would support it ; hut, in each reductions, the House was bound to consider the interest of the tax-payer; and, as a measure of relief, they were also bound to see how far it would affect the interest of the lower classes. The Hon. Barouet who last Addressed the House had stated, that if the present system were per- - severed in, the people would not be able to pay their taxes. The lion. Baronet no doubt alluded to the change made in the currency; but if he had not put aside all the infor mation which had reached him.on that subject, he ought to he aware that the advantage which laid been gained by one class by that change, or the benefit that wodd be derived to another by a return betel:lto the former state of the currency, would be only a transfer of advantage from ens interest to the other, but would in no way affect the re lief of tact (lass roost in need of assistance—the great body of the poor. He would contend that the disbanding of 20,000 'of our army, and throwing them back upon a po ',lllation, so many of whom were at the lowest rate of stages, and so many others out of employment altogether, would only increase the evil. lie did not say, as an ab stract proposition, that a large standing army was not a grievrus encumbrance, and that the expenditure (Ire country ought not to be 'Telieved as much as p o s s ibl e f oni 'every burden whidi coo( be removed; but he must seen tend that, as a measure of relief for the disfrees oft-the most suffering class, such a reduction would be ineffectital. If 20,000 men were to be sent out of the country, /sit never again to become a burden to it, no doubt it would be so far a relief, but that case did not apply to a disbaind ing of so many of the army, whose dismissal would be only adding to the distress of _. the lower classes- •If ;the Hun. Member, without offering it as a remedy for the (tie- 'rota of the c o un t ry , prepese d a apecise reei'tctioo or numerical force of the artily, lie ehould be divot: 0 consider it on it ovn merits ; but w h en it was 114 . to the country t o b e necessary as a m',tsure of tele' owned that if be stood alone he wottl-1 hold up his against it Mr. A. BARING said the reduction - s - proposed Right Hon. Gent.- must, House, as f. r es' they went , a n d the snore ao, as no doubt, h e acceptable O f: should lie t skin as en earnest of the dispoeitionolAiid: to do all in :heir power—hut an ineaenree r elief any of the presseire coca:io n , it twist n.st he derii'dref: they w e re insufficient. Th e Hem Baronet, the ides for the county id Kent, lead stated that there tent'd effectual relief for the country until the general eytttl which Ministers acted was changed, hut the Hon: e',l net ought to have specified some general proposition s ;e' the course which he would wish to see adopted. , question before them arras a proemel of the Ch e neella r 4 the Excheq uer re l at i ng to certain redeciions of exl"nt l which were a b ou t t o b e effected. T o h a li t re, the I, lion. Gentleman had given them only the pleesing ' 141 , 4 1 the picture. li e h a d not tel.' them th at which he a',„ have to tell th em on some f uture even i nee that this rel; tine would d o littl e more t h en corer the delirieney venue with the year. Ile did not attribute this dedel!,,e to Ministers, for he was aware that when eliorp., eso ir in the country, it must must show itself in the ewe of revenue. Nobody now douhiel the existence of that" tress, but he found that the reduction of 1,300,00 01 ' 1.400 0001. would have no effect in relieving ib would do no snore than carer what the Right Hon. G ad would have to tell them on a future erenine woad.' lee amount of the felling off in the revenue, AS eempared lest year.—(Year, hear.)--He therefore could not i 0 ferward with any reasonable hope of an amelioration ei condition of the country from a redaction of taxtti, In the speech of his lion. Friend, the Member for A ! ' d..en, on a firmer evening, which he had not an oppori nity of hearing, but which he, understood was---et speeches. generally were—one of great ability, dear one point--and it was an important one—on w hiell widely differed from hi m . Th e H on. Member had titse tl.at ho would apply any surplus revemse to reductiel( taxation. In such a proposition he (Mr. Baring) d o by nit means con cur . Wh at , h e would ask, would be situation o f th e coun t r y, or h ow could they rely on 4 permanency of revenue, if from time to time they avert' sweep away any surplus that e : i.e? If there 1° a certainty of e fixed revenue, the case/ might he differd, but in one which necessarily fluctuated from year to jr', nothing, in his *pinion, would be less politic than to ofc any surplus now and then accruing, H e we , awa re • the objections which many persons had to a sinking fir °l o but the objection arose from the abuse of it, front system to which it give rise, of paying with one h and borrowing with the other. That, however, was -4 a valid objection to the k eep i ng np ofa bona fide shill, fund; and if Minist er s consente d to its abolitious what was the same thing, to the applicetien in the lus t nor proposed by his Hon. Friend of any reasonable plus revenue, the effect would lie to sink public c r e dit., He owned that he s h ou ld lik e to see that the sore r , revenue of the country should be applied to e ffeel reduction of the rum-rims public debt that now dc pressed the country; for he must say, that the I'l prospect of futu re p rosper i ty w hi ch could present it sunset arise f ou t our i na bili ty to lighters the publicitd r ) throe by a gradual reduction of that enormous weight' On the sulj ec t o f re li e f from taxation very strong oe;" 41 1 i i existed in th e coun t ry , an d many, persona Were perstie' that this and th e ot h er tax would be taken off . •?feW I this Atilj.fet it was extremely desirable that no rnisapPl a heesion should be all owe d to continue. (In the sub of the Malt Tax in p ar ti cu l ar i t was of mucb-importea" that the determination of Government and :the opinion, the House should b e d ec l are d w i th as littleideley as postiti Ile knew that an e xp ectat i on existed in many quarters the tax would Le, in the whole or in pert, eepealed, a ° many farmers found their sales stagn..nt is eonsequent, The sooner, th ere f ore , t h at the subject w as b rou ght id ward for discu s si on an d t h e d ec i sion of the House o' better. As to the reductions proposed by-the Right 11 ,1/ Gentleman,- he fiet thankful tor' thew, ,for he owned were more than he had expected. •It was c4er that vernrnent must have b een tee iously and honestly engage a . # tj a review of our whole expenditure, and when he c otter, three with the satatement by the Right-Hom Gentlent; (Mr. Peel) yesterday, inv o l v i ng , as i t did, such extent', sacrifice of patronage as I. e had never known ma d e by 01 , Ministry before, he felt aatiefues that they were in cacti in time work of retrenchment.—(flear, hear.)—The HO: Me:Ill-ter for Aberdeen had contended for the necessity 01 large reductio n o f our m i l i tary force, but he (Mr. -Baring' did no; see what reduction could, be made ,in that fort ° ' without a diminution of the . eflieient servile of the counts}'' fe'ering that the whole amount front which any reductid ° - . could :re made did not excee d- 12,000,0001. h e did Il °, know what they could reduce so as to make reduCtion ° matter of relief to the country. The Hon. 'Member I d !, Aberdeen h-d inerviened a reduction iu one colonial fore , but the Howe hall heard it stated that the force kept aQ for that service wee; not more than was required fur the d i 6 ' ties they had to perfor m . It might,-however, be a d s witted as an important questions to consider h ow f ar a ll colon 7 es we now possessed might to -be kept up: e" ° ' fessed be should he glad - to hear what • use some of our ec e Janice were, that we should continue to isold. _them at considerable expense; For in s t ance , h e cou ld not see o { ' what importance the loniaa lalan Is were to us, that should keep a large military force there, which neceeW tated the keeping up of a corresponding force at home, (Heir, hear.)—lteving Gibraltar, which seemed to b e j made for as at one end of the Mediterranean, s it Malta at the other, he did not see why we plumbd gy to any expellee in keeping pwsession of the lonia ° lelee, particularly as our ecceptance of them was ( 6 1 we were told at tl-e tim e ) r a th er a re l uctant one, or chiefly fec the purpose of feeling a disputed point hewed Ruesia, and Austria, neither of which pothers-would eon' s'nt to the possession of those ielends by the other. Pa / when they seemed to have been li.reed upon C. by the 1 0 ' rangements at the Congress of Vienna, he had not inn" . gined that they elsould remain es a perenenent bniden this country. All the resod that he was Aware. we !aerie • f ern them was t o get a-stir:aura fO r our rmince Pies, an d those they would he willing enough toriend,us without out pine. to such experwe in keeping them in our poesessioP These were matters which he thought 'deterring of cooly, ' eeratien, as the giving tip . of cOloniee, r potosion " which were of no political or cainimercial importance t ° ,, p a °tua n a isir :y rY! Woulde n i C :r.XpnMi ex p en diture , leadd j f d p t a i i t: u el l er r o i o i ‘ r l a s 7 6 s n i n f t e,ml t h a t r t P i ) oo f -it services. i :1 1 I ttn ; °. n T it e oe e i i m oei n sius ei ..d: ' l a i m n ir i ri . oe b :o :it u gn s r r u tix - et in c : h pi t i o til d r ; nearly s'x millions, and undoubtedly it ire an i mm ense .11m . 00 a country raising sixiy millions a year in tam and customs--a revenue such as had no parallel in the history of tee World. This extent of the amount of half' ; pay and p t ne i on wet a p roo f ho w murk the great credit the ccuntly had been abused.. He would admit that it was difficult to withstand the granting of pensions, in moot of the c :sea in which they were given ; hut hr thought that' welled carried our generosity too far in this 'respect , A medium course would have beet: the wisest, instead of 60 loose, extravagant system which hid led to great abuse' A suggestion had been threwn Out, 'that sernething like the syatesn adopted its the civil departmen!i_ottlaa, pnblid service, of making the 'clef km contrihute.to ,the : fa te d for their future superannuation alloWanee, should. ale Ore fel' lowed in tie army. . . . . Mr. Alderman WAlTHMANexpee*sed hie, eone'sarsened in the reduction proposed by hie lion. Friend,,theeMene her for Aberdeen. lie agreed Witletheßight Hon e . Gents opposite, Chet the reductions which it e rniglet, be,in the power of Government to make would not give that relief which the country r e qu ir e d , - yet t h e r e could_ be-no relit unless they began by reduction. The country was now in s situation to call for the pottiest exertion, of 'Govarnmed' - with a view to their relief. A Memer.a, whose Mime we did not`learn, rxpretiorl his ereat satisfaction at the reductiOne_ propnacd e lsy nitteetts end hoped that these the Heald now h ear d of wieild be soon followed by others. There never was * time when eComeny Was tifore needfUl e i s i t was adinittri upon all hare's th a t t h e p e ople wer e r edu ced to &agate p th ,l e rso o n tc al t k t rlia,dbgi privation and :cntdabdleietarre:is;ans rsrd tr 00 ades' men were reduced to the eecessity eisteuce en wages oefour or ve shillings weekly. Mr. MABERLY expreesed his surprise and "'egret that the Chancellor Exchequer should hare preserved so re' . of su : pp T o o rt . i h zig is mark-aide a silence on the suliject of taxation _throughou t his ',ch. The statements of the Hon. Member, far. Ca l " lingeen (Mr. Baring) . had also.appearel tie him rather sin' gular, and not strictly consistent his former conduct, when, year after year,-during the teilacy of s sinking funds , supeorted hysiirplus revenue, le so staunchly adrecated its policy. For his own part, he ineinteined that the best sup port of public credit wotild be extablithed hy.theicappleing all that they could - spare to the relief of •the people.--• (hirer.) lie was reedy to melee the diminution -of tine debt a suborTnate .eonadrration in ouch an 4x4enee as the present, and would give largely_ ao re' 1 ibirLitm ut Oar taxes. There its no v a greet „,unani miry art iy aniohgst members on the other „ sille„of the Hause, on the St , bject of a reduction of experulitorer which all at 'length 'concurred in thiiikin * i, heti hee,oote esbatolutely nemiary. It PM much to he regretted that lAMERICAN QUARANTINE. Mr. O'CONNELL gave notice of a motion relative to the placing of vessels under quarantine in American poi ts, when found to h ire people of colour on board. Mr. ATTWOOD moved for a Return of Sovereigns and Half Sovereigns issued by the Bank since 1824. Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from the parish of Sr. Luke's Dublin, again,: the Churchwarden's Act.— Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. JEPHSON gave notice of a motion on Ttlet , day relative to the recent trials at Cork. Mr. WODEHOUSE presented two petitions from parishes in Norfolk, agaimt the Tithe Systero.:—Ordered to lie on the table. Mr. E DAVENPORT rose to correct an erroneous impression that had got abroad, relative to his motives for postponing his motion concerning the State of the Country, which stood for Tuesday next. He would have brought his motion forward on Wednesday, 3d March ; but as another motion stood for that day, he should postpone it to Friday, the sth, when he should move a Call of the House. WAYS AND MEANS. The House, upon the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House upon the Ways and Means. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then moved—first, " That, in order to make good the Supply voted to his Majesty, the sum of 2,500,0001. now re m.silling in the Exchequer over and above the expenditure for 1829, should he applied to the service of the year 1830 ;" and, secondly, " That, in order to make good the said Supply, a sum of 4,000,0001. should be applied out of toe Consolidrted Fund to the service of the year 1e330." The Motions were passed and Vie Report was ordered to he received on Monday next. ;,:).JAKER resumed the Chair. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY• '.1.0 'i:AL - CELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose, at C - it ;n)ving that the House do resolve itself into a of the whole House to take into consideration t;:e '.aupplies for the present year, he should take the op portunity of redeeming the pledge he had given a few nights ego, li.at be would avail himself of this occa.icn of stating the stint total of these reductions which it WAS the intention of his Majeaty'a Government to make upon the Estimates. The House would thus have before them the while of the documents and explanations, before they came to any consideration of the details. The course he now in tended to pursue was in some respects different from other practices when tlo se subjects had been brought forward in former years. He was not aware, however, that this course would be attended by any difficulties; but he would solicit the indulgence of the House, if upon a future presentation of other Estimates he hsould be found to vary front the statements he should make upon the present occasion. He c old underta:e to say that whatever variation there be in the statements, tie reduction would not be found t. be less than that at which he should state it ; for it ba.l al-' tys been Lis principle not to attempt to exaggerate the difficulties of the country, not to paint in false colours the prospects of relief. The path he had now taken would be found acceptable to the House; for it would be found not to occupy much of the time of the House. In stating the amount of reductions, he should have to deal with several facts ; but he should abstain front involved statement., for such topics were fitter for consi deration hereafter, and they would he better explained by his Hon. Friend near him. He should beg leave to make one or two observations to the House before be came to state the naked fact. In judging of the extent of the re ductions, which it hail been the object of hie Majesty's Govei nment to take, he trusted that the House would bear in mind the amount of the expenditure in which that reduction was to be made, snd reflect that it was not to be considered in the light of a reduction upon the estimate of the preceding year. He trusted that gentlemen would see that the estimates were not formed immediately after years of continued and increasing expenditure, but that they were presented to the House after successive periods of reduction and retrenchment.—(A laugh.)—The House would not forget that the estimates for the year 1629 were less by neatly 200,000/. than those of the year preceding, and that the estimates of that year were less by ahout 500,000/. than those of the year before, making, i n th e two years, a total diminution of 70C,000/. He would beg leave to make One more observation, that in forming an opinion of the value and amount of the reductions, he hoped the House would not view those reductions with re ference to the whole amount of the annual estimates._ The total amount of the last estimate was 17,600,0001. ; but if the House imagined that that was the sum upon which the reduction was effected, they would form an er roneous calculation, and he 1.0 to an exaggerated idea of what the Government was aide to perform. Of that 17,600,0001. it was in the knowledge of every man that heard Lim that the great part of that expenditure was for serricea long gone by, and the remuneration of which c o uld not be diminished consistently with the honour and faith of the count; v, or without a breath of the hontair and a departure front the justice which at all times had distin guished the character of the House of Cominotc—(A laugh.)—With these preliminary observations he would proceed to a statement of the several Estimates in dat e d, and to the several reductions which it had been found prac ticable for his Majesty's Government to make. lie could assure the House that it had been the anxious de sire of Goren:it:cot to make every possible diminutio n in the expenditure, compatible with the maintenance of those establishments which this country wes bound to maintain. He had first to state a reduction of above 213,0001. on an Estimate which had amounted in the last year to 6,300,0001 , and which was now reduced to only 6,100,000/. He stated the sums in round numbers, Th e Army Extraordinaries were next to be considered. It bad been found poosible by watchful superintendence to effect a sasing of Ibo,ooo/. With respect to the Militia, or.the third military vote, it ,had been 62und by the correct in vestigation of the Right Don. Gentleman who filed the effice of the Secretary at War, that a reduction of abov e sixty-five thoustand pounds might be effected without any injury whatever to the public service. To complete the Army Votes, he had now only to allude to the reduction of the Commissariat. The Estimates of this service for the present year, he was happy to say, showed a reduction of nearly twenty-five thousand pounds. The total reduc tion upon the Army Grants would therefore be found to amount to 433,146/. This, he trusted, wauhl evince to the House the desire of his Majesty's Government to effect every economical arrangement, and to reduce the establish ments of the country to as low a st indard as was consistet.t with her honour and security. These reductions would leave the whole of the sums to he voted at 1,316,000/, which was the total amount of the grant for the Army. When this was compared to the vote of the preceding year, he trusted that it would prove satisfactory to the House. ietleed the House would find the Estimate less than any that had been voted since the year 1794 Whether the period bad been one of war or peace, the Estimates of tl e present year 'mete lower than at any former year. • Here Sir HENRY HARDINGE interposed, and spoke to the Gentleman. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER conti nued :—His Hon. Fiiend slid that the coeiparisen was with 1801, and nut with 1791; and even if his Hon. Friend were right, it wts e:itremely te,ti,netory to find that the estimates were non , lower than tin y had been fcr twenty-six years. The next vote was for the Ordnance. If there was any one me or grant of service more than • soother, which had engaged the attention o f G overn m e nt re ezence to the reduction of exi:enditure, it was this. On this, however, the amount of reduction would be leund to be less, and it was limit e d to 29,000/. The next charge to which he would call the attention of the House was the Navy; and upon this branch of the public service it would be found that a very -con siderable reduction of expenditure had taken place. The savings on the estimates amounted to 273,0001., within a few pounds. With reference to the Mi , •cellaneons Esti-. mates, }wimps it wait wore d &mit to Mole reductiens,.. 11 01 liir, 4 411 ‘ ,. er Stall Nirj the) . 1 1 111te, 4. • °old Frit!' fo re Itl e 4 111 Cl t'o1„ nnitl th e 11, Q , innc! inak e , . he h, Of 2,c ar my n or • Ptr al 1 , at 1101 pox, reg., his CI -