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4 : 06 a ARTICLED PUPIL. WANTED, in a long-established School of the highest respectability, within three miles of Hyde Park Corner, a YOUNG LADY of genteel connections, who will have the same advantages as the regular Pupils placed on the highest terms, and no difference will be made in their tuition. The Premium will depend on the time required, but parents will grid this a desirable opportunity of obtaining for a daughter a liberal education at a fixed and moderate expence. - - Address (post-paid) to C. M. 23, Arundel-street, Straw]. MR, 11UNT AND THE SPITALFILLDS WEAVERS. The report of Mr. Hunt's assertion, that the weavers of Spital fields disapproved of the Ministerial Reform measure, because they were not to be benefited by it, has caused a rather strong sensation in that district, for there is a general feeling amongst the weavers that to them the benefit would be more immediate and extensive than to almost any other class of persons in their district. Very large portions of the parishes of Spitalfields, Bethnal-green, and others adjoining, have been laid out in streets, consisting of small houses, occupied solely by weavers, And built expressly for the purposes of their trade. So far from being adverse to the proposed reform measure, therefore, they feel a direct interest in its success, and would be deeply disap_ pointed by its rejection ; and yet, as some of them have said, they are now held up to the public as throwing dirt in return for the boon proffered to them, just as they were,some time ago stated to have been parading in front of St. James's Palace, with tricoloured flags, when they went to carry a loyal address to the King and Queen: The fact appears to be that in every _parish df the Tower Hajnlets numerous meetings have. been held, and petitions and addresses in favour df the ministerial plan of Reform invariably and una nimously adopted. These petitions of course, included the wea vers, and were very numerously signed by them in their respec tive parishes, and many of the respectable persons among the weavers, including their Committee, thought, that having al ready signed these petitions, there would be an impro priety in any particular movement of their own, which might look like making themselves out as a class excluded from their fellow-parishioners. Some of them, however, thought it de sirable to givo.expression to their feeling as an independent body, and having formed themselves into a Committee for the pur pose, they called a general meeting of the trade, at which an ad dress to the King wa. agreed to in support of the measure sub mitted to Parliament by his Ministers, and denouncing in strong terms its interested opposers. They are about taking steps to effectually undeceive the Member for Preston, and the public generally, with respect to their sentiments. TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. Sut,—What will not the enemies of the .people—the Anti- Reformei s, do to forward their object and maintain their mono poly of the representation ? Strange as it may appear, they have it is said, printed off fifty thousand copies of Mr. Hunt's speech, as delivered in the House of Commons on Tuesday, the 12th, and caused them to be sent into the country for circulation. By the dissemination of this ill-judged speech of the Member of Preston, they hope to excite discontent and produce mischief amongst the reformers. They seek to profit by the weakness of Mr. Hunt, and to use his error in judgment to sow discord, and create a belief that the measure proposed by Government will not be the least beneficial to the interests of the people. It should be a lesson to that person, who assumes to be the only Member of theiseople returned to the Commons House, not to indulge so much as he generally does in his loquaciousness ; it should lead him to put some restraint upon himself, and to con troul that exuberance of vanity which exposes him to be guilty of such repeated acts of indiscretion. The electors of Preston certainly sought in him the defender of their rights ; but they never could have been desirous he should have been an inces sant (and very often a most imprudent) talker. The cheers from the opponents of the Bill should have induced him, from the moment he heard them, to have ceased his most uncalled-for tirade against the merits of the Bill; but, on the contrary, they seemed only to stimulate him to make most exaggerated state ments of the opinions he had heard expressed, that the Bill did not go sufficiently far to correct all the abuses which required correction. Did the Members for Middlesex and Waterford ever declare that it did ? Have they not explicitly declared that representation should be commensurate with taxation ? Have they not proclaimed themselves the decided advocates of the principle of the ballot ? yet have they not proved themselves to be the staunchest friends of Reform, by restraining them selves in the impolitic advocacy of those important points, that they might not endanger the passing of the Bill, which is the pre cursor in due time of every improvement which the wants of the people shall demand ? Have their speeches been so imprudent as to be metwith repeated cheers from their opponents below them? Have their speeches been printed in the shape of hand-bills, and sent into the country as the means of defeating that measure, which strikes the supporters of corruption and the enemies of Reform with terror and dismay? No; they have uttered no libel on their-countrymen ; the Member for Preston has, and therefore that libel is to be dispersed by the narrow-minded and the profli gate throughout the land. This speech of Mr. Hunt's, in which he represents the great body of the people—the seven millions— to be dissatisfied, because an extension of the elective franchise is proposed to be made in favour of 700,000 who are not now en joying it; that the working classes, whose means do not allow them to dwell in houses of a rental of 101. a year, are jealous that not only the middling classes and the smaller tradesmen who do, should receive any benefit; and that they would prefer that their representatives should be chosen by the gentry and the higher classes of society, than by that class which was immediately above themselves, is it not a libel on the heads and hearts of Englishmen ? Is not such a statement a foul calumny on the people of England —or if it be true, is it not a proof that the working classes are not yet worthy of the possession of the elective franchise? I be lieve it to be a calumny, and not a fact—or it would not have been met with the " Hear, hear" from Sir Robert Peel and Sir Robert Inglis, or are they become the admirers and advocates of universal suffl - age ? There is no good or right thinking man, no ont possessed of any discrimination but who would rejoice, though not benefited himself, by a right which he considers would ensure to him a benefit, that such a benefit should be conferred on others—and on so many of his countrymen as, indirectly, to be immediately a benefit to himself, and, in perspective, a guarantee of the same enjoyment. I have a higher opinion of the people of Manchester, of the subscribers to, of the proprietors of The Voice cif the People, than to believe that they have expressed such a sentiment as reported by the Member for Preston. The Union of Birmingham will, I am confident, express their displeasure at such an accusation ; so will the"members of all the Mechanics' In stitutions of Warwickshire, of Lancashire, and Cheshire—they are aware that to introduce a correct principle into the repre sentation must eventually lead to general improvement, and finally to the perfection of the machinery of Parliament.— The people of England are become too intelligent —are grown too wise to be now so tricked as the enemies of Reform would. imagine. By the circulation of Mr. Hunt's speech they may in jure him, but not the Government; they may bring censure on the Member for Preston, but will stir up no opposition to the Bill. I enclose you a copy of the hand-bill of the speech, that you may judge of the maliciousness of the circulators. It is taken from the report of the Albion, the paper set up by the agents of the Duke of Wellington, previous to his political demise. It was given to me last evening at a public meeting of the friends of the Reform of parochial abuses. Another circular is sent out by the same party, wherein it is stated that "a reformed House of Commons will be composed of delegates, pledged to an over whelming constituency, and so powerful that its influence will, by overwhelming that of the other two estates, bring about the destruction of the Constitution, and the Government will be too weak to protect either persons or property." " This constituency is now planning a revision and division of church property, and the abolition of tithes and taxes. In future we must have—. A Bing without a State, " Trade without the protection of a Navy, " Defence without an Army, " Bankruptcy, and each class a prey to the other, " And at last become a province of France." Mark the malignity of the Anti-Reformers. They print Mr. Hunt's speech on a coarse paper—a slip, to disseminate amongst the lower classes—and the circular, nicely letter-pressed upon a good sheet of paper, to be sent to the gentry. Only the weak, the cowardly, and the ignorant, will be in fluenced by either ; and happily this body is now not very nume rous. The honest real Reformer is not now to be imposed upon ; he is convinced of the sincerity of the Ministers, and is assured of the firmness of the King. The Government must adhere to the Bill—the whole Bill, and nothing but the Bill. They must net give up a fraction of the Bill, as to the principle ] though in the detail they must corect any error which the imperfection of the population returns may have occasioned. Then the Member for Preston may talk as loosely as he pleases, and the Anti-Refor- Men may print and circulate all such indecent speeches, and neither will produce any mischief. April 15, 1831. • CO-RADICAL BRISTOL SPRING ASSIZES. (From the Bristol Mercury.) The commission for holding our Spring Assizes was opened on Saturday last, by our Recorder, Sir Charles Wetherell, who arrived in this city about four o'clock in the afternoon, escorted by the Sheriffs, and the usual reti• nue of police officers, and accompanied also by an im mense number of the populace, many of whom had gone to Totterdown to wait his corning. His reception, Low ever, was far from being courteous. His active opposition to the ministerial plan of Reform has called forth the re probation of by far the greater portion of the community, and completely reversed the little popularity he had ac quired in this city by the part be took on the Catholic question. The first manifestation of popular feeling was evinced at the moment when the carriage in which the Recorder was seated arrived opposite the Blue Bowl, when he was saluted with an universal groan, which evidently Startled him with surprise. fie, however, quickly recovered himself, and affected to he unconscious of the scene by which he was surrounded. As the cavalcade proceeded onward, the crowd augmented at every step, and their vo- eiferations became at intervals most deafening. At parti cular spots, where groups of spectators had placed them selves, the carriage was assailed with hisses, which were answered by the renewed groans of those who had most pertinaciously followed it from Totterdown. On Bristol bridge, in High-street, and Broad-street, we do not re member to have ever seen so many people gathered to gether, except at an election. During the time the learned Judge was descending from his carriage, the hissing and groaning were violent in the extreme.—ln the Hall the tumult was renewed, accompa nied with the stamping of feet, when the Recorder said, "If any person is taken into custody for disturbing the peace of the Court, and brought before me, I will instantly commit him." A new mode of annoyance was then re- Sorted to, and the reading of the commission was finished amid violent fits of coughing. Ai the conclusion there Were loud cries of " Boroughbridge" raised, and three cheers were given for Reform. The sweet voices then ac companied the learned Judge to the Mansion-house, where, after he had entered, he came to the window, rather unad visedly we think, and continued looking at the populace for several minutes. A h un d re d fingers were immediately pointed at, and he was greeted with groans and laughter, the latter of which the learned Judge returned. We are happy, however, to state, that am id a ll thi s e xcitem e nt no great er ac ts of violence were resorted to than such as we have detailed ; which, perhaps, is mainly attributable to the excellent conduct of the police officers, who, we have been informed, were wisely f or b a d e to i nterfere ex ceptin the event of the populace proceeding beyond the mere vocal expression of their feelings. At these Assires the Bill of indictment against Airman- ,he room n, p.p. agit the HPHRY new and just pub. " a work :t library erves the of Eng r empire difficult transmit onal and to the ould not vho sys is natu- istence of ecretary, s of jus- is im- -Figaro. tion has 0 CHRIS• common, Favour of NSlON eurred to 0 officers Kersal- Regent noon the ind corn ling file, ra firma resem he atten -separated quantity !r. The frightful arms and ng of the identially But we hospital I, will be more or rd. in the the Bill suspect, rea way ; a mino t. 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Xy LONDON, SATURDAY E press' their approbatiiin of the Bill now rending in Parliament which had for its object the restoring the representation of the Commons' House to its proper state. Had he power to argue and explain the great benefits the Bill would confer as they de served, he considered it would not be necessary he should do so, for it had already been so fully canvassed, and its character w as so fully understood, that any thing he could say in praise of it would be quite superfluous. He should content himself, there- Fore, with saying it had his unqualified approbation ; and h e trusted it would pass into a law without a single iotaof alteration. He congratulated them on tieing for the present Ministers a s e t if men who had the judgment to frame, and the firmness to wing forward, such a Bill ; and it was impossible they could do dherwise than express their deep gratitude to their Sovereign for riving his approbation to a measure which would confer so valuable a boon on the country. He would not detain them any longer, but would conclude by moving an address of thanks to his Majesty. Mr. BOUVERIE said, it was with the greatest pleasure he had the honour of seconding the motion. He had, been a re former all his life, and he was happy to see the cause had made such progress. He remembered the time when men scarcely dared call themselves reformers, but now he was happy to find all were reformers.—(Cheers.) They had a Ministry composed of honest men, all pledged to Reform and economy, and he felt indebted to them for what they had already done.—(Cheers.) Lord MILTON then presented himself, amid great cheering. The commencing observations of his Lordship were, however, but imperfectly heard by our reporter, owing to a noisy quarrel between two persons who endeavoured to force themselves into the waggon where he was taking notes. We understood his Lordship to say that if he had studied his inclination he should have preferred the seclusion of private life rather than appear before them that day ; but he felt himself compelled by duty to come forward and express his strong approbati o n-d ' theineasures introduced by the Ministry for reforming the representation.— (Applause.)—He trusted he heard in the loud wind of their voices their approbation of that measure. They were assembled there under peculiar circumstances. The impossibility of their county hall containing the great multitude who were desirous of rendering their assistance towards the carrying of the question of Reform had made the adjournment necessary. He rejoiced in it on one account, because it would give to all parties an op. portunity of coming forward, and expressing, if they pleased, their opposition to the measure, and the grounds and reasons of the same; but he regretted it on another account, because it had been the means of depriving them of the presence of one of the most prominent opponents of the measure. He was not speaking of Sir R. H. Gunning, for he knew nothing of that gentleman— but it was with Mr. Cartwright, one of their county members, that his remark had to d o . He confessed he should mu c h have' liked to hear that Honourable Member explain the reason, upon which he founded his opposition to the Bill. His Honourable Friend had, however, abstained from coming among them, under the pretence, or it might be for the reason, that he did not con sider the Market-place a fit one for discussing the merits of this great question. He had been desirous that they should have had the Hon. Member's presence there, and he deeply re gretted that he had not seen fit to come among them. He trusted however that after seeing that day how strong and decided the opinions of h!s constituents were on the )subject, he would even yet reconsider the question, and not again enlist himself in the ranks of those who, if they should unfortunately succeed in de feating the measure, would force on the Crown and its Minis ters the necessity of appealing to the people. There was one point connected with the Bill, and one point only, on which he wished to say a few words. He understood there were some who thought that there was a degree of injustice in disfranchising so many small boroughs, without any malversation being proved against the parties who at present held the franchise. This opi nion arose from a good feeling—for there could be no betterffeel ing than It sense of justice—and if he thought there was the least injustice in any part of the Bill he should be the very last to support it. If the disfranchisement of any one of these bo roughs had been proposed capriciously, and without being subject to some rule applying in common to all the others intended to be disfranchised, the Bill would certainly be un just; but When he found that the operation or the Bill pro ceeded on one general rule, it was impossible for him to find any injustice in it. It certainly did not appear right to him that small boroughs should possess the privilege of sending members to the extent they had hitherto done; while he felt it difficult, he might say impossible, to prove any injustice in trusting to large and important bodies the right of sending to Parliament those Members by whom their interests were to be protected. It had been said that these bodies contrived to get their interests represented and supported through the small boroughs; but, he could sec no reason why they should not rather be, represented in a more direct way and, in one more in con sonance with the general principles of the Constitution. Their Hon. Member for the county thought differently; but he hoped he would. on reconsideration, see reason for changing his opinion. An Honourable Friend of his who had addressed them had told them that he had always been a Reformer. Now that was not his (Lord Milton's) case; for he was by education, by habits of association, and by prejudice, in early life, an oppo nent to all Reform. He had been taught to look with such veneration on the Constitution, as to consider it a thing that ought not in the slightest manner to be touched. He had since seen fit to change his opinions, and to become a Reformer, and that from reason. He was now, as they were well aware; no longer a Member of Parliament; but he had in early life, when holding a seat in that House, certainly given one, if not two, votes in opposition to the principle of Reform ; but since then, from a patient and calm investigation of facts—from an exami. nation of the actual state of Parliament, and comparing it with what the Constitution intended it should be—from an analysis and classification of the votes of its Members during a series of years, he had proved to himself, to demonstration, that the de fectivepart of the House of Commonslay in the returns for the smaller boroughs, and in the condition of the whole of the Scotch representation. They were aware that in this county there was a little borough called Higham Ferrero, in which his family had considerable influence. Now, his famdydid not look on that influence as a property, nor did they regard its depriva tion as inflicting a penalty.—(Cheers.) There was his Noble Friend, Earl Pomfret, he had no borough. What the proposed Bill would effhct would be to give every man a due and equal in fluence, according to his station.—(Cheers.) He should like to have asked Mr. Cartwright, if he had been there, what he knew of a certain place named Brackley, which was called upon to pro tect the property of the Bridgwater canaL Now it was certainly proper that the Bridgwater canal property should be duly pro tected, but then this ought to be done by the counties of Chester and Lancaster, and not by the county of Northampton. H e had therefore fbr years held the opinion that there ought to be a change ; and he trusted that the meeting, by the resolutions they that day passed, would impress on both their county M en , bets, the necessity of enforcing that measure which had been in troduced by his Majesty's Government.—(The Noble Lord wa s warmly cheered in the course of his speech.) The resolution for addressing his Majesty was then submitted, and carried by a large majority ; not more than a dozen hands being held up against it. Mr. VERNON SMITH observed, that as their opponents had not thought fit to present themselves, and explain the grounds on which they opposed the measure, it was not necessary he should oppose them at any great length. Their county Member had, when he rose to second the opposition to the Bill in the House of Commons, assigned as a reason for so doing that he had a measure of Reform of his own in his pocket ; and he certainly thought, after such a declaration, that the Hon. Member ought to have come among them that day and explained what th e na ture of the measure was he had in his pocket. The declaration of the Hon. Member put him in mind of a passage in an old play, where a man on getting up after falling down is made to say, Pray, have any of you brought paper wetted with vinegar in your pockets ?"—(Loud laughter.) The Constitution, they w ere to be told, was in the state of this poor man, and was to wait to be cured till Mr. Cartwright had time to produce his paper wetted with vinegar from his pocket. It seemed that they were to have all their own way, and he hoped when the next resolution w as submitted for their approbation, they would give Mr. Under. Sheriff a better opinion of their unanimity. The Bill had made all men reformers, for they never now heard of antl-reformers, and those who used to call themielves so now said they were for a moderate Reform. He did not know what moderate Reform. meant. Perhaps they meant such a Reform as took place when East Retford was disfranchised—a measure which took five year s in accomplishing, and cost the country ten thousand pounds. He approved of the plan,because it cut away all the rotten boroughs, and he felt convinced it must be carried ; for the nation had em braced it as its adopted child, and would continue to nurture and to educate it till they saw it grow up to manhood. The speaker concluded an able address by moving the petition to the House of Lords in favour of the Bill. . . Earl POMFRET said he seconded the motion with great plea sure. _ - OTWAY CAVE congratulated the meeting on having defeated the most paltry, foul, and contemptible conspiracy which had ever been attempted to be inflicted on a county meet ing. He had been amongst the crowd in the Hall—had wit nessed what was transacted behind the scenes, and had also se en how the men had been placed that day to defeat the object of the meeting, and he congratulated them on the triumph they had gained.—(Cheers)---If they had submitted to the domination of such a filthy set, they would have been worse than dogs. They now know their strength, and if, on other occasions, they would but act with unanimity, they would never again be in sulted by the barking and yelping of these curs.---(Cheers.)— He was glad the High Sheriff' had the good sense and proper feeling to yield to the wish of the meeting by adjourning the meeting; but if he had not done so, he (Mr. 0. C.) could tell him that measures certainly would have been taken to bring his conduct before a proper and a high tribunal.---(Great applause.) --They would not sutlr themselves to be defeated by a brutal, stupid, and hot headed opposition.---(Loud cheers.) The days had passed by when petty tyranny could pass with impunity. No filthy organ of the base boroughmongers could now go and say, " We are so many votes, and therefore what we ask must be granted ; our vested rights must be protected." Their vested rights indeed—the rights of a highwayman to rob upon Finch ley Common might as well be talked of.---(Loud cheers.)-- He professed undeviating, unalterable attachment to the cause of Reform, and was prepared any day to swear at the altar eternal hatred to that faction which treads on both the King and the people--(Cheers)---a faction composed of men who, by their conduct to their Monarch, said; We are content you should exist, but then we will be viceroys over you ; we will support you only on condition that you suffer us to form a power behind the throne greater than the throne it self." He called on them to rally round their Monarch, and protect him from defeat by using a constitutional and legal way of opposing and crushing this faction. Let them return no Mem ber who would shuffle ; none but men who would support the Bill—the whole Bill—and nothing but the Bill. Their cause was that of justice, truth, and liberty, and these were now every where gloriously triumphant. What was going on in this country was but a small under-plot in the great drama of liberty now performing on the continent. What right had the borough mongers to call for passive obedience from the people in this country now, when they knew that the cause of the people was everywhere triumphant, and that their (the boroughmongers') allies had been beaten in France—held at bay in Italy, and con quered in Poland. It was the cause of Reform that was triumph ing in these countries, and that cause must prevail here also. — Who would now be such a recreant as not to be the first to rush to the foremost ranks, when they saw that the enemy was in flight and the battle all but won ? The question as to the petition to the House of Lords was then put, and declared by the Under-Sheriff to be carried by a vast majority. Lord SONDES said he would not detain them long, but he could not abstain from expressing his feelings. He had always thought it an anomaly that the small boroughs should have t he returning so many M em b ers , w hil e such places as Manchester and Birmingham remained wholly unre.wesented. They were now living i n cr iti ca l awkward times, but they had a skilful Ad miral, and a bl e o ffi cers under him, and he was confident the Bill must pass and he should hail with j oy th e d ay on w hi c h it did. Mr. HILL, in an able and eloquent address, urged the neces sity and perfectness of the measure of Refocus now vroposed. S everal other gentlemen foll owe d ; and i t was agreed that they should also petition the House of Commons and that the same a !'9uld be presented by the County Members; and that the pe tition to the Lords be presented by Earl Spencer. It was a l ' agreed that the resolutions should be advertised in the " North atplimr ja. P : t t o i pstsaelFi either London newspapers. pae i t g h tip e es.jt Northamptono: his Deputy. Mercury," and the The meeting then separated, without passing any vote ul ENING, APRIL le, 1831. - _ IMistRIAL PARLLIMENT. ROUSE OF LORDAI, .Atialt lb. CALCRAFT'S DIVORCE BILL. Counsel were heaid and witnesses examined on this Bill, the further consideration Of Whieli svds adjourned till Tuesday next. The Earl of DERBY presented petitions ftor:N Car rington and several other places against slavery ; also one from Preston in f , wour of Reform. The Duke of NORTHUMBERLAND presented a Petition from St. Maitin'c-in-the-Fields in favour of Reform. Lord CLIFDEN presented a petition frcirn Clzre and other places, for the equal distribution of the grants for the purpose of education in Ireland ; alio from Carlow in favour of Reform. Lord SUFFIELD presented petitions from different parts of Norfolk and Ireland against slavery. The Earl of ROSEBERRY presented a petition from the Society for the Encouragement of Industry, praying that Parliament would substitute some compulsory measure for the relief of the poor in Ireland. The Noble Earl thought it singular, that while there were laws en this subject which had been in operation in England for five centuries and a half, that that principle should not be extended to Ireland, where the number of poor bore a greater proportion to the population than in either England or Scotland. Such a state of things ought not to continue, and he trusted the attention of his Majesty's Ministers would be unceasingly directed to devise some plan to removing the evil. The Earl of LIMERICK would not have troubled their Lordships with any observations on this subject, but for the extraordinary nature of the petition. This peti tion, it should be observed, did not come from Ireland, or any parties locally interested, but from a set of persons who met in the Poultry. His Noble Friend had with no gravity presented this most ludicrous of petitions from the most ludicrous set of persons. These, however, were times when every thing was to be accomplished by means of Societies, and he dared to say that some of these very gentlemen formed part of that inimitable Committee that undertook to suit all England, Scotland, and Ireland, with proper representatives in Parliament.—(Laughter.)--For his own part, he must confess that he could not see the entire benefit that it was pretended arose from the Poor Laws in this country; one of its most evident conse.. quences was, that the poor man, whenever he felt in clined, 'partied at all hazards, because, when he got a family of children, he knew that the parish would sup port them : if such an inducement was once to be held out in Ireland, they would soon see to what a wonderful extent the population would swarm.—(A laugh. )—He thought therefore that it could be shown from evidence that the Poor Laws were open to very great abuses; and there was also testimony to show that the supposed evils arising from their absence in Ireland did not reach such a height as the advocates of the measure endeavoured to make nut. In particular, he might mention that a Ro man Catholic clergyman, on being asked if he had ever known, in all his experience, any one die of starvation, had stated that he knew but of one case, and that to that one there were peculiar circumstances belonging. . . Lord TEYNHAM considered that the introduction of a system of poor laws, carefully avoiding the evils which had resulted in England, would do great good for Ireland. On the motion of Earl GREY, the Civil List Bill was read a first time, awl ordered to be read a second time on Monday next. The committal of the Bankruptcy Bill was postponed, on the motion of the LORD CHANCELLOR, to Friday next. Lord BATHURST wished to know whether the Noble Lord at the head of the Colonial Department had any ob jection to furni'h him with a copy of the message of the Governor of Lower Canada to the House of Assembly, and the instructions upon which it was founded. Lord GODERICH had no objection to gire a copy of the_wage, but felt compelled to refuse furnishing the instructi(Nis. Lord ALTHORP, Sir ALEXANDER GRANT, and others, brought up the Civil List Bill, the Tobacco (Ireland) Bill, and several private Bills. BEER. Lord FOLEY presented a petition from Worcester against the Beer Act. The Earl of CAERNARVON presented a petition from the Justices of a district of Somersetshire, and from the Taunton Grand Jury, to the same effect. j--/fr-/ I,e -t ---e/ • •- ---- ....1, -,, _ if 1 3 4.1.,,, , •4 -,igt-- -- -2, - • ..E.,,,,,,-, i r •-..._, I * ) ~,„ - T 4 o_..iu .t.. ). , _. „„ . ~..,•-"e , (--- "" - *, • -'. 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As a proof of the latter, we need only state that no less than thirty-five gentlemen came voluntarily to Bristol, in order to attest his integrity and uprightness, One carne from Newcastle-upon-Tyne, one from London, one from Wind sor, one front Taunton, another from Exeter, and others from places at considerable distances. The particulars o this case have already been so much before the public, as to render a recapitulation of them unnecessary. PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OF COMMONS. MONDAY, APRIL 18, ORDERS OF THE DAY. AI. bj urationOathßeßeal Bill—Further consideration of Report, 2. Land Tax Commissioners Names Bill—Committee. 3. Reform of Parliament (Ireland) Bill—Second reading. 4. London Coal Bill—Second reading. 5. Frauds on Creditors Bill—Second reading. 6. Suits in Common Law Courts Bill—Second reading. 7. Malt Distillation (Ireland) Bill—Committee. S. Reform of Parliament (England) Bill—Committee. 9. Land Tax Double AssessMents Bill—Committee. Id. Money Payment of Wages Bill—Further consideration of Report. 11. Roman Catholic Charities Bill—Committee. 2. Vestries (Ireland) Bill—Second reading. 3. Liability of Landlords Bill—Further consideration of Report, 4. Charities Bill—Second reading. 5. Charitable Funds Recovery Bill—Second reading. 6. Printed Cottons Bill—Committee. 17. King's Message—Report thereupon. IS. India Supreme Coin is Bill—Second reading. [9. Waterloo. Bridge New Street Bill—Report. 20. Arbitration Bill—Further consideration of Report 21. Supply—Committee. 22 Ways and Means—Committee. 23. Duchy of Cornwall Leases Bill—Committee. 24. Corporate Funds Bill—Third reading. 2.5.. Elections (Ireland) Bill—Third reading. NOTICES OF MOTIONS. I. Sir Andrew Agnew=WnrOvearrgstruction to the Com mittee on the Reform of Parliament (England) Bill, that the Committee do consider the expediency of throwing the smaller English Boroughs into Districts and of assigning one or more Members to each District, as in the Districts of Burghs in Scotland, and as in the places sharing in the Election of Burgesses in Wales ; and that no Borough whatever should be totally Disfranchised. 2. General Gascoyne--To move a Resolution, That it is the opi nion of this House, that the total number of Knights, Ci tizens, and Burgesses, returned to Parliament for that part of the United Kingdom called England and Wales, ought not to be diminished. 3. General Gascoyne—lnstruction authorising the Comfnlttee on the Reform of Parliament Bill, that they have power to insert a Clause, authorising any City, Town, or Borough having a Population of not less than 150,000 resident inha- bitants, and a constituency of not less than 12,000 voters, to send four Representatives to the Reformed Parliament. 4. Mr. Hodgson (of Newcastle)—ln Committee on Reform of Parliament (England) Bill, to move, that every person who shall hereafter be admitted to the Freedom of any Corporation (being entitled thereto by birth or servitude), in virtue of which admission he would, by the laws and customs now in force, be entitled to vote at the Election of Members of Parliament for any City or Borough, shall exercise such right, being first duly registered ; provided such person shall have resided for six months previous to the time of registration, within seven miles of the usual place of registration within such City or Borough. 5. Sir John Newport—ln the Committee on the Vestries (Ire land) Bill, to propose a Clause to exempt from assessment for Church Rates every Town-land distant three miles from the Parish Church. Also, a Clause to limit the powers of Irish Vestries, in the same scanner as those of England, to the repair only, and not building or rebuilding, of Churches: 6. Mr. O'Connell—ln the Committee on the Vestries (Ireland) Bill, to move Clauses to exempt Protestant Dissenters of all persuasions, and Catholics, from the payment of Church Rates and Vestry Ceases. 7. Mr. Bvll—To add Mr. Raine to the Committee on the North Shields Road Bill. 8. Mr. Tennyson— Ordnance Estimates. (In Committee of Supply.) 9. Mr. Sibthorpe—To move, in Committee on Reform of Parlia ment (England) Bill, that Tenants at will to the amount of 301. shall be entitle to vote in County Elections. REFORM 3IEETINO IN SUPPORT OF HIS MAJESTY'S MINISTERS. NOR THAMP T ON SHIRE: The freeholders and inhabitants of this great and important countyassembled in the Shire-hall, on Thursday last, for the put, pose of expressing their approbation of the Ministerial plan of Reform. At the outset of the business a most disgraceful and infamous attempt was made to stifle the public voice, and for full two hours a scene of noise, tumult, and riot was kept up, but in the end the faction was compelled to give way, and the cause of Reform nobly triumphed. The requisition bore the signatures of the Lord Lieutenant of the County, the Duke of Grafton, Earls Spencer, Winchilsea, and Pomfret, Lords Sondes and Mil ton, and very many others of the wealthiest and most influential men in the county. Till lately the county has been an ultra Tory one, and it is only within the last three months that the establishment of a news paper, called the " Northampton Free Press," has rescued it from the disgrace of having only one, and that a high Tory, paper published within its limits. Extraordinary exertions were made by the ultra Tories to de feat the object of the meeting; and the Hall was packed with as low a rabble (many of whom had previously been made drunk) as ever disgraced a bear.garden, while a large portion of the respectable freeholders who were in attendance, and who had expected, that after a pro forma opening of the business in the Hall, an adjournment would take place to the Market-hill, were kept outside. The High Sheriff, attended by his Under Sheriff; Mr. Burton, entered the Hall at twelve o'clock, and the Whig party, headed by Earl Pomfret, Lords Milton and Sondes, the Hon. Captain Spencer, and others, took their stations on one side of him; and the Ultra-Tories, headed by W. R. Cartwright, Esq., and Sir R. Gunning, Bart, took theirs on the other. The business was then attempted to be opened by the Under Sheriff, but it was fouud impossible to proceed, for the rabble, evidently by a preconcerted arrangement, set up a howling, whistling, and yelling, and continued the same for no less a space of time than two hours. The liberal party proposed an adjournment, but this was ve hemently opposed by the Under-Sheriff, who advised the High Sheriff to dissolve the meeting. The High Sheriff, who is a very young man, and is said to be only 22 years of age, was evidently greatly embarrassed, and at a loss what to do. Lord Milton, the Hen. Captain Spencer, and Sir Wm. Wake, advised him to adjourn the meeting, while, on the other hand, the Under Sheriff kept urging him to dissolve it, and argued that A could not be adjourned, as there was no precedent for such a course in that county. An hour and a half had in this manner been consumed without anything being done, the tumult having kept increasing all the time, till it now had attained such a pitch, that the low rabble in the bottom of the Hall began tearing up the partitioning, and hurling it towards that part where the High Sheriff and the gentry of the county W ere assembled. One of these missiles happening to fall within about five yards distant from the High Sheriff, his Deputy picked it up, and exhibiting it to him, said, " See, Sir, what they have thrown at you; now, Sir, I think you will consider it full time to dissolve the meeting." The High Sheriff still seemed at a loss what to do. The mis siles meanwhile kept increasing in numbers, and the few ladies who were in the Hall mounted their umbrellas as a means of protection, while the gentlemen kept their hats before their faces. Several of the rabble forced their way beyond the bar riers, and were pressing forward upon the respectable portion of the ineeting,',when the High Sheriff was at last prevailed upon to agree to put the question of adjournment, which being car_ ried, all instantly became quiet. 'The High sheriff on quitting the Hall proceeded to the George Hotel, whither he was followed by the principal Noblemen and Gentlemen composing the meeting, who were anxious to learn the hour when the proceedings were to be resumed in the market place. In reply to these enquiries, for sonic time the only answer given was, that the High-Sheriff had retired to his private room, and could not be disturbed at present; but at last Mr. Under- Sheriff made his appearance, and announced that the High.. Sheriff being taken unwell, had deputed him to continue the business of the meeting. - The requisition part} , immediately to the Market_ p il l . ac ti e „ G,, bu ti t nn W in . g ß , . th a e rtu t ' o r w ig n ht 3 , l E e s n l . 1),.,) m an b d er th fo e r r t e h s e t o eo f u t n h t e y) u , lt S r i a r Tories, declined taking any further part in the proceedings, on the plea that it was unprecedented, and improper to hold a meet_ ing s a o n ypur%e'llixe,rreateiolsnesbtt h u av in in t g he be S e h n ire in i a l d a e ll. beyond bringing three waggons upon the ground, Mr. Under-Sheriff Burton, Earl , Lord , Milton, Sir tr ni r j ;m , Esilo,,,d E. Bouverie, Esq., W. many more gentle . Wake, into the waggons, Ould squeeze together in a Small balcony amongurs of the inn, and the n H P : e a:nb f a r ilry t c ymarketplace. 'I he weather paved, experienced Peacock Inn, got there; others clambered ale "Y in front of the kept remark_ some stationed themselves at the windows rest were obliged to fight their way which filled the entire area of the the dense crowd, had, however, by this time, fortunate pa l market-place lying high, and being well and up, and the ably clean, but little inconvenience was The UNDER SHERIFF resumed the business by . that since the adjournment had been agreed to - th announcing had been taken seriously ill, and had deputed himie High Sheriff' the proceedings.- All he required of them was, that ttlii continue give a patient hearing to parties on both sides of the ey should questi"• The High Sherif f had received letters from various Noblemen, which had been place d in his hands, and he begged their tion while he procee ded to read them.. atten- The first was from Lord Althorp, and expressed his Lords I great regret at his inability, from the necessity of his attend lii)'s in Parliament, to be present at the meeting, and his cordial an" ap.. probation of the measure before Parliament. The next was from the Duke o Grafton. His Grace, afte regretting that he could n ot be pres f ent, proceeds to express I full conviction that the result of the meeting would furnish it reason why t h a t measure of Reform, now before th i : House, the neceesity and sufficiency of which he felt convinced' of, should be carried, and to aid which it was their duty to use every constitutional means in their power. The third was from Earl Spencer, who stated that having signed the requisition, he considered it his duty to be present-, butt was unable to be so, from the state of his health. Th e mea. sure had his cordial approbation, and was not only expedi ent, but also absolute necessary. Sir George Robinson, M.P., was also ab sent from indis p o si_ tion. He was satisfied of the justice and expediency of the Bill, and hoped by his vote on the third reading to assist in carryin g it through the House of Commons. A letter was also read from General Thornton, apologising for his unavoidable absence amid declaring that he should consider it his duty to support the King and his Ministers in their benevo lent exertions. Sir WILLIAM WAKE, in rising to move au address to the King, commenced by observing, that they had assembled to ex- SALARIES• Earl GREY moved for a Copy of the Treasury Minute respecting the reduction of salaries of official persons bold ing seats in either House of Parliament.—Ordered. The Earl of ABERDEEN presented a petition from Aberdeen against slavery. REFORM. from Grantham M tan ar th q a u rn is o a f o L d A ot N he S r D p O la W ne N a, E, in B,id presenting timta petitions NohleLord had the other night stated that he (Lord Lansdowne) had said that he had reluctantly altered his opinion on the Re form Bill. It was impossible that he could have said t on that subject; and that when the p ro p er occasi on came, was, t f h o a r t he had he bad not t h a 1 te m r hise u d ch an o x pi pinion. i ety o formed e Nht h dira his opinion said si he should be both ready and willing to state the grounds on which he had so formed his opinion. Lord KING presented petitions from Dunfermline, Downton, Wallingford, and other pla c e s, in favour of the Reform Bill. ted a petition from Stafford t o Earl GOWER presented The Duke oft RICHMOND favourDprese o n f ted ßef p or e m tit . ions from Horsham the same effect. Earl CA WDOR presented a petition from Darlington A nt S io T n LE to said, what thathad hfaellewnishfreodmta Noble to to the same effect . The . Duke Lordships'ofN Ew call lthe Duke (Rich mond) on a p revious evenin g . He had cons id ere d the discussio n as irre g ular th e n, and , therefore, not ding to take an y part in it, he h a d qu i tte d the ii°u inte seb n efore the N oble Duke's s p eech was made. NEWCASTLE Earl GREY rose to order. It was irre g ular to allude ' to a debate w hich had taken place on a p revious ev ening; and i t was eviden t from what had f a l len from the Noble Duke, ul that be had taken his information from something Ts was still ore iar. that ha d appeared in the ne w s papers , as he bad not heard the s h p HAN hi CELLOR, nt th e Earl rregul of HARDWICKE, a nd Lord E ELLNBOROUCII, made a few obs er v a ti ons on t h e po h e Duke of oilier. of NEWCASTLE then stated that certain , T as a ppeared by the newspapers, h a d be en ma d e on fi n , by a Noble Duke (Richmond), about three w ee k s ego s relative to the representation of Boroughbridge. H e had l o ft the House at that and had not bad an op- por tunity of replying. But he now maintained th a t th e stateme nt was wholly i ncorrect , an d t h at t h ere were not Teeecla LORD itselfc. more respectable, nor more independent men in the House o f Commons than Sir Charles Wetherell, and the other m e mber for Boroughbridge. One of the causes alleged f o r th.e necessity for Reform had been, the controul exer cised over the votes of the borough Members by the pro prietors and patrons of boroughs; but it was rather un fair in any of the Members of the Government to impute to him as a wrong, a kind of controul which they them selves exercised over the Alembers of the Royal House hold. There were no Members of the House of Com mons whose votes were under a more complete controul than those of the Members of the Royal Household. He wished to ask the Noble Earl whether there was any truth in the rumour which had gone abroad, that in the event of a dissolution--which, however, he hoped would not take place writs for those boroughs which were to be disfran chised were to be suspended? Or was it comp , tent to an y Government to do such a thing? The Noble Duke then alluded to some Reformers, silo had become so per little p gross l a delusion n o f R Reform on rin the of publi c. hi a o to force—or, as th e y h a d b een called, Re f ormers w h o h a d been Grey mad e . F or hi s part he thought Reform wholly n unnecessary, and h e wou ld strenuously oppose i t. It was a He propose, had, if however,there was one to be any Reform at all. He proposed that those Noble Dukes and Marquises, and others, who had been so ready to give up their influence over the votes of Members of the other House, and for which readiness they had been so lauded and flattered, should forfeit that influence. That was a plan of Reform to which perhaps there would be no very great objection. He wished to state, in the most open and public manner, that he thought Reform wholly unnecessary, and would oppose it in the most decided manner. The Duke of RICEIMOND did nut mean to follow the Noble Duke in the observations which he had made• He had no wish to imitate the example of leaving the ir $ . 1a . 1 ) ,„„_„ ,un " 4:j PRICE 7D. House On night when certain remarks were made, and then returning to ans*er them in three weeks after. There was no man wlio,bad mtlie erect than he had for the legal knowledge and talent of Sir thatles Wetherell. But he wished to put this one question to the ifebie Duke:— Suppose Sir Charles Wetherell were to vote for the plan of Reform introduced by Ministers into the other House, how long would he continue Member for Boroughbridge ? The Duke of NEWCASTLE He would not be allowed to retain his seat if he did so.—(A loud laugh.) The Earl of CAWDOR presented a petition from the county of Pembroke in favour of the Ministerial plan of Reform. Lord DACKE and the Earl of DEuny presented peti tions against colonial slavery.—AdjourVed till Monday. HOUSP OF COMMONS, ArzaL The SPEAKER took the Chair precisely at Thrce o'clock. Dr. LUsHINGTON and another Mettihet ttlok (nths and their seats. _ . Sir JOHN WALSH presented a petition from the in habitants of Sudbury, praying that if the Reform Bill passed they might be allowed to send two representatives to Parliament, as in the yiat 1521, if the population had been tightly taken, it would hate exceeded 4,000. Mr. D. W. HARVEY said he would' take that oppt , t , tunity of contradicting a statement which hdd .been made by the Gallant Member for Essex (Colonel Tyre °. res pecting him (Mr. Harvey.) In his absence the Gallant Colonel had stated that he had said at a public meeting in Essex that he only supported 'the present measure of Re form, because he was of opinion that it Vould lead to a more extensive one— one which would give vote by ballot, annual Parliaments, and universal suffrage...—. (Hear.)—Now he would solemnly declare that he had never said any such thing, but quite the contrary. He (Mr. Harvey) had read a report of what the Gal lant Colonel said in a newspaper, which the reporter added was received with loud cheers; and he therefore called upon the Gallant Colonel either to acknowledge or deny what lie was reported to have said. He would only add that all he did say at that meeting was, that in his opinion the Church Establishment wanted as much Reform as any other establishment, and he be lieved it did.—(Hear.) Colonel TYRELL should be sorry to incur the per sonal hostility of the Hon. Member for Colchester, as it was his misfortune to meet him at all public meetings, as the agitator of Essex.—( Hear, hear.) It was true, that at the meeting he alluded to, he said that the Eccle siastical establishments needed Reform more than any other. The Honourable Member was possessed of great talents, and those talents he employed for the purpose of holding up the church and the clergy to ridicule.—(Hear, hear.) It appeared to be a great satisfaction to that Hon. Gentleman to make the worse appear the better case. Mr. HARVEY rose to order. He called upon the Gallant Colonel, before the House, to explain what he meant by imputing to him that he wished to hold up the Clergy to contempt. He bad always had the greatest veneration for the Protestant Establishment. Colonel TYRELL was not present at the meeting, but it was a matter of public notoriety that the Hon. Member's opposition to the clergy was publicly known, it was as no torious as the sun at noon day. It was also advertised that the Hon. Member would attend the meeting at Rochford, and deliver his sentiments there. Now, whether he at tended there as a paid agent or not, be could not tell. Mr. HARVEY—Sir, allow me to explain, I The SPEAKER—The Hon. Member cannot enter into an explanation until after the Gallant Colonel has finished his speech. Mr. HARVEY said, then he would speak on a point of order. He would ask whether it was not unparlia mentary to charge him with hoitility to the clergy, and add that that hostility was as plain as the sun at noon-day?— (Hear, bear, hear.) Now if he (Mr. Harvey) did not . enter that House as an heir to a title, and with a large fortune, yet be entered it as independent as the Gallant Colonel.—(Hear.) Though the son of a tradesman, he was a representative of a large body of the people, and bad always done his duty towards tl em. He had too always respected the regulations of that House, and therefore be never would suffer the Hon. Member for Essex to call him a paid agent.—(Hear.) With much warmth he re peated that he never would suffer it. The SPEAKER—The Hon. Member no doubt has a right to appeal to the House for protection, but he cannot take on himself to dictate to another Hon. Member.— (Hear.) If gentlemen, in presenting a petition, always take an opportunity of diverging from the subject of that pe tition, and attending to the subject of others, which too often led to personal attacks, such a course must be extremely inconvenient to the House. Colonel TYRELL did not intend any personal offence to the Hcn. Member, but he had beard that the Hon. Member had expressed the opinions that he had imputed to him. Being quite inexperienced in the rules of the House he apologized. . _ _ . After some observations from Mr. WELLESLEY and Mr. WESTERN, Col. TYRELL rose and said that he now understood the Hon. Member for Colchester was in the House at the time he made the observations complained of. He was not present at the meeting himself, and therefore did not knew whether he used them or not. If he did not, he should have denied them at the proper season. Sir J. WALSH moved that the petition be printed. Mr. BLACKETT wished to know whether or not Government intended to'abide by the population returns of 1821, respecting the borough of Beeralston ? Lord J. RUSSELL—Ii is not our intention to take the borough of Beeral3ton out of schedule A. The reasons I will explain at the proper time. Mr. G. DAWSON considered the declaration of the Noble Lord respecting Beeralston extremely hard on that borough. He would ask the Noble Lord whether similar treatment was to be exercised towards Calne ?—(Hear.) If he refused representatives to Beeralston, it was only equal justice to refuse them to Calne.—(Hear.) Lord J. RUSSELL—I can state that it is not intended to make any alteration respecting Calne.—(Hear.) The Right Hon. Gentleman opposite has thought proper to ask me a question. perhaps he will give me leave to ask him one ; on whet principle would he refuse represen tatives to Caine ?—(Hear.) Mr. DAWSON thanked God he had nothing to do with the Bill, but to give it his most decided opposition. He was not, therefore, called on to answer any ques tions.—(Hear.) The Bill was full of absurdities from beginning to end, and he would contend that equal justice should he administered to all.—(H-ar.) Lord JOHN RUSSELL—EquaI justice was adminis tered to all, and as for the absurdities, they were all on the side of the Right Hon. Gentleman. But that was no un common thing, for he was generally falling into absurdities. The Right Hon. Gentleman, with all his complaints, had never once hinted at a better plan. If he had a better, let him propose it. Sir C. WETHERELL would not use so mild a term as absurdity, it was gross injustice.—(Hear, hear.)—No doubt could exist that Caine should be wholly disfran chised, but Caine was to retain its representation. For what? Why, because it belonged to a friend.--(Hear.) Lord JOHN RUSSELL would repeat for the fiftieth time, that the Bill was founded fairly on the population returns of 1821, and where the population did not come up to the standard laid down, every borough so circumstanced was named to be d is franchised.-- (Hear, hear,) He would defy any man carefully to peruse the list, and say there was any partiality in selecting boroughs, whether they belonged to one party or the other.—(Hear, hear, hear.) It was very easy to find fault, but in 'fairness and candour, every one must acknowledge that the greatest impartiality had been observed. He would defy the Honourable and Learned Member for Bbroughbridge himself, or any other Honourable Member, to prove the least appearance of partiality, or any thing approaching to a corrupt mo tive. If he had any charge, let him make it. These charges only showed how the other side of the House would have acted, had they brought forward a measure of Reform.—(Hear.) Mr. BANKES said Marlborough contained 300 persons paying 101. a year rent, whilst Caine only contained 124. He should like to know how these 124 could be made a, much of as the 300.—(Hear.) Then again Downton, a scattered village, where there were only nine houses paying 101. a year, was to return its representatives, while Marl borough was deprived of them. This was the impartiali3y of the Bill. His objection to it was most decided. Hr would express it in the words of the petitioner•, 110 .f' Ai a. : en-- % - 41, objected to the Bill, the whole Bill, and nothir NV; the Bill. Mr. HUDSON GURNEY was satisfied that the Go vernment had, in their proposition with respect to Re form, got themselves into an inextricable dilemma. Every one acquainted with the English Constitution knew that it was composed of the onion of exclusive jurisdictions, and it mattered not whether these jurisdictions were large or small.—( Hear.) —The Bill, however, destroyed those jurisdictions, and effected a Reform, which he would not ca'l either aristocratical or democratica], but which he might fairly characterise as radical—(Hear, hear, bear)... for it sapped the foundations of the Constitution itself. The Members who supported the enlargement of the buf • frage frequently referred them to the working of the tle mocratical system in America. Now a friend of his who happened at this moment to be in that country, and who had beard of the Ministerial Reform Bill, thus expressed himself In a letter which he had written to him on the subject :—He said, " that his prejudices in favour of the •lemocratical system had much abated, and that his dispo ,ition with respect to it was chanced since'he had an op portunity of observing its working here." And he added, " Beware of what you do in England; take a year to consider of it."—(Cheers.) Mr. WELLESLEY said a few words in favour of the Bill, and observed that the amended returns would make it more perfect. Mr. DAWSON complained that injustice and partiality had been shown by the Noble Lord and his colleagues, in the selection of the boroughs to be disfranchised by the Bill. The borough of Caine contained only 997 male inhabitants; and allowing the same number for females, there were not in that borough above 2,000 inhabitants, while its Members were retained. How then was it to be oreserved from the fate of the boroughs in schedule A.? Why should not a Member be retained for Beeralston, which was situated in a parish containing more than 2,000 in habitants? If that question was not satisfactorily answered by the ',Noble Lard, he should suspect him and the Govern 'sent of partiality in the selection of those boroughs to be disfranchised. _ _ Mr. HOBHOUSE would just call the attention of tie House to the fact that the disagreeable exprasions that had been used had originated with the Hon. Member him self opposite (Sir C. W.), and it was in reply to that Hon. and Learned Member that his Noble Friend below (Lord J. Russell) bad felt himself justified in making use of language somewhat similar. His Noble Friend and his Right Hon. Colleagues bait been accused of trickery and par tiality, but their characters were infinitely superior to such insinuations.—(Hear, hear.) Could any one be lieve that it was for the sake of the Marquis of Lansdowne, because he was a Member of the existing Cabinet, that any distinction was drawn for the sakenfpreserving the borough of Caine. He did not believe that any Hon. Member could seriously for a moment suspect such a thing. Much had been talked by the Hon. Member for Marlbo rough of its being " a large and flourishing town." Now he happened to know the town of Marlborough, and it was neither " large nor flourishing." Did the petition which that Hon. Member spoke so much about pray against the system which now degraded the state of the elective fran chise in that town? Did it pray that the franchise should, he placed in the 300 petitioners, in place of the 13 that now possessed it. Did the petition go to maintain the system of abuses which was so prevalent in that "large and flourishing town ?" As the Honourable Member - had just evinced so much anxiety to protect the rights of the residents of Marlborough, be hoped that in case the present Bill failed he (the Hon. Member for , Marlborough) would carry on the prayer of the petition, and endeavour to give it effect by destroying 'that usurpation which against the almost unanimous opi nion of the residents, had lately sent a Member to Parliament. With respect, however, to Caine, em bracing as it did two very important branches of manu facture, it was in truth a large and flourishing town. Mr. W. BANKES, as he had been so positively alluded to by the-Hon. Member for Westminster, begged permis sion to say a few words in explanation. The Hon. Mem ber had referred to ths ease of Caine. Now .he (Mr. Bankes) had undoubtedly taken up an opinion with re spect to the conduct of the' Government ; and if he had found, when errors were pointed out to them, they had taken immediate means to correct them, he should have felt bound to retain that opinion. When he saw, how-- ever, that arithmetical errors, respecting which theie could be no mistake, were pertinaciously retained, he must con fess that he could not divest himself of an impression that there was partiality in their determination on the subject of some of the boroughs whose rights were questioned. With respect to the Hon. Member's observations on his knowledge of the town of Marlborough, and the opinions of its inhabitants, he could only say, that he bad attended in that town on all occasions when an election demanded his presence, and he was always attended to the Town-hall by a large number of the respectable inhabitants, as well as the Corporation, he must take leave to think that the unani mity of feeling between them and the Corporation must be greater than the Hon. Member seemed to believe.—(Hear.) Lord STORMONT did not wish to prolong the dis cussion, but he must say that the Government, on their own showing, were open to the imputation of absurdity or of injustice, and that they must choose between them.— (Hear.) The Member for Westminster had observed, that the Right Hon. Gentleman commenced the use of objectionable language; but he did not recollect that the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Dawson) applied the word absurdity to the arguments of the Noble Lord, but to his Bill.—(Hear.) There were many boroughs which could claim the same privilege of exemption as the Right Hon. Gentleman had claimed with so much justice for Beeral ston. For instance, there was the borough he repre sented—Oldhorough. The parish of that borough con tained 2,400 inhabitants, and was, therefore, by the strict rule which had been adopted, fully entitled to retain one of its Members.—(Hear.) Lord EASTNOR, before the termination of the dis cussion, touk the opportunity to ask the Noble Lord (Rus sell) whether, in the alterations he proposed, it was his in tention to adhere to the ancient boundaries of those bo roughs which were to retain their Members ? or whether he proposed to take in the population of the houses in the immediate vicinity ? Lord JOHN RUSSELL said he could not at that moment give a full answer to the questions that had been asked, without anticipating the statement he should make on Monday, which, as it might excite fur ther discussion, he felt might be improper then more par ticularlf to mention. He thought, however, that he should then be able to explain to the Noble Lord, that the prin ciple on which his Majesty's Government had proceeded was on the strictest justice, fairness, and impartiality. Sir R. PEEL would draw the attention of his Majesty's Government to a point which appeared to him of much importance. In going into Committee on the Bill, the first clause was that which provided for the disfranchise ment of a certain number of boroughs,. which were not enumerated in the clause, but contained in the schedule appended to the Bill. The question then, on which the House bad to pronounce would be as to the clause which provided that all the boroughs enumerated in schedule A. should henceforth cease to return Members of Parliament. Was it intended to decide the whole fate of all the boroughs enumerated in the schedule, when they gave their vote on the clause ? Was schedule A. to be disposed of by the one vote given as to the disfranchising clause? Lord JOHN RUSSELL said the schedule should be considered as part of the clause. It might be competent for them (his Majesty's Ministers) to recommend the schedule, and after it was so recommended, it would be competent for any other Hon. Member to propose any recommendation. Sir R. PEEL said, that though it might depend on the forms of the House, it was of the utmast importance to un derstand what was to be done. The Noble Lord had said amendments - were to be made to schedule A. ; and nothing could be more important than for the House to be told what those alterations were to be. From the observa tions which had been made, be (Sir Robert Peel) most distinctly understood, that in going into a Committee upon the clause the House was indistinctly to pass a vote , of disfranchisement in every borough in schedule A. Lord ALTHORP—If it appeared necessary that any alteration should he made in schedule A. Hon. Members opposing the contents of the schedule in going into a Committee upon the clause of the Bill would have an op portunity of moving amendments to the schedule. Sir R. PEEL understood from this, that schedule A was to be determined upon before the clause was discussed. Ile considered the usual course to he that schedules were postponed to the end of the discussions upon Bills, and that at the conclusion it was competent for every Member to take objections to every item Lord JOHN RUSSELL believed that it was according to the usual course to take the schedule at the end ; but he thought it as usual to take the schedule as part of the clause, and amend or reject part of the schedule as they went along, with the clause. This was the course his Majesty's Mini sters wished to pursue on the present occasion, and he put it to the Speaker to say whether it would be competent L for them to take that course or not. The SPEAKER said it was clear the Committee ambit a tt n noh o; ar b s: e laaati c uel a ds : el l , e tai d i u tat hat cause c o all the ho' n tained . a v h}: o i nno t r e tn:i ei ordin aci , hav i y l o i n ' :u,g,:i a i diy e t hasi c .eese to return Aleulbei* the ud of the Bill the Com chat the schedule being at e :aken)