The Sun. — London, England, 1863-03-14 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT HOUSE OF LORDS—Last Evening• The LORD C RANCELLOit took his seat on the woolsack at the usual hour. PETITIONS. The Duke of DEVONSHIRE presented a petition from the county of Derby, praying for an improvement in the Game Law passed last session. Earl GREY presented a petition from a place in North timberland, praying for an amendment in the bribery law. MR. O'MALLEY IRWIN. Lord CRANWORTII presented a petition from Mr. O'Malley Irwin, praying for a commission to inquire into the way in which his petition of right which he had pre sented had been dealt with, BIRTHS, DEATHS, AND REGISTRATIONS (IRELAND) BILL. Earl ST. GERMANS moved the second reading of this bill. The object was to extend to Ireland the sys tem of registration established in England in 1836, and in Scotland in 1854, except in regard to marriages, the registration of which could not be provided for in Ireland unless by an alteration in the marriage law. He hoped that the time was not far distant when the marriage law of the three kingdoms would be assimilated and consolidated, per mitting of a system of registration ; but in the meantime it was proper that the system of registration, found to work so well in the United Kingdom, should be extended to Ire- land, so far as circumstances would permit. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE had no particular objection to the bill, but he doubted whether the medical officers on whom it was proposed to devolve the duty of registrars were the fittest parties for that duty. The guardians, he thought, ought to have the power of appointing the registrar. He quite agreed in the necessity for the immediate alteration of the marriage law, and in regard to registration the Government must act not only with discretion but firmness. He trusted the Government would lose no time in taking the matter in hand. The ball was read a second time. DRAINAGE OF LAND (IRELAND) BILL. The house went into committee on this bill. Viscount LIFFORD said the bill was very simple, and might, he thought, at once pass through the committee, The Marquis of CLANRICARDE noticed that the greater part of the bill—the first part of it, which was the most important—had been omitted. Originally there were 85 elouvas, sand t••-e r ^a s '9# die now rcdT.cc.A 10 17short clauses and one schedule. They ought to have the opportunity, considering the importance of the measure, of expressing their opinions upon it. He hoped that for that purpose, the debate would be adjourned for a week. Viscount LI ['FORD suggested that the bill might pass through committee, and a discussion took place on the third reading, which would be postponed for a week. The bill passed through committeee, and was reported to the house. ECCLESIASTICAL PATRONAGE. The LORD CHANCELLOR had a notice on the paper that he would call the attention of the house to the Ecclesi astical patronage vested in the Lord Chancellor, and would present a bill on the subject, but intended that in order to give time for due consideration he would postpone the in troduction of the bill till Tuesday. MALT DUTY BILL. On the motion of Earl URAINVILLE this bill was read a second time. Their lordships adjourned at 20 minutes to six. HOUSE OF COMMONS---Last Evening. The SPEAKER took the chair at 4 o'clock, PETITIONS. Several petitions were presented against the sale of in. tosicating liquors on the Sabbath. GALWAY SUBSIDY. On the motion of Mr. BAXTER, a copy of the letter from the chairman of the Great Ship Company, dated March 7, 1863, to the Postmaster-General on the renewal of this subsidy, was ordered. THE ALABAMA. On the motion of Mr. WHITE, a copy of the correspon dence between the Commissioners of Customs and the Custom-house authorities at Liverpool, relating to the building, fitting out, and sailing of the vessel No. 290, since known aP, the Confederate cruiser Alabama, was ordered. UNION OF BENEFICES ACT. On the motion of Mr. CI:BITT, an address for copies of all commissions issued by the Bishop of London under the Act 23 and 24 Vic., c, 142, and the returns made, was ordered. GERMAN SETTLERS AT THE CAPE. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY asked the Secretary to the Treasury if the two letters dated Dec. 18, 1861, from Sir B. Hawes to the Lords of the Treasury, and the answer of the Lords of the Treasury, dated March 10, 1862, were the whole correspondence, according to the order of the house for a " copy of the correspon dence between the War-office, the Treasury, and the Governor of the Cape of Good. Hope, relating to any pay ment made to the Cape German settlers during the finan cial year 1860-61 ;" and, if the whole correspondence had not been given, whether there was any objection to place it upon the table of the house Sir G. C. LEWIS replied that, on referring to the cor respondence, he found there was another letter not yet pro duced, but not a material part of it. He should feel happy to produce that letter. There was a general previous cor• respondence, but it did not refer to the particular matter which the hon. baronet had brought before the house. OLDE. Col. FRENCH asked the Seeretary of State for India 'whether the opinions of the law officers of the Crown had been obtained by him upon the claims of the representative of the late Capt. R. Frith, or of any other of the claimants upon the late State of Oude ; and, if so, whether he bad any objection that copies of such opinions be laid upon the table of the house ? Sir C. WOOD replied that it was contrary to the usual practice to lay the confidential opinions of the law officers of the Crown on the table of the house. The opinion which ho (Sir C. Wood) had formed was based upon the opinions of the law officers of the Crown. MORTALITY AT ROTHERHAM. Mr. CHILDERS asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department, whether his attention had been directed to the alarming extent of mortality and disease in the town of Rotherham, arising from the state of drainage and the imperfect supply of water ; and, whether Government would take measures to enforce a remedy thereof ? Sir G. GREY replied that the attention of the Privy Council had been called to the matter, and two medical inspect ors had been sent down to make an inquirtoy. obtain 1 he authorities of the town had applied for powers a better supply of water and drainage. TRIAL OF GUNS. Sir J. FERGUSSON asked the Secretary of State for 'War, whether, before the Committee which he stated on Monday last had been appointed to consider the respective merits of the Armstrong and Whitworth guns, the latter were to be tried against the service, field, and garrison guns of Sir W. Armstrong's pattern, or against others of an altered construction ? Sir G. C. LEWIS replied that no restrictions were imposed. THE PROCESSION OF SAT URDAY—THE CITY AND METROPOLITAN POLICE. On the motion for going into a committee of supply, Sir DE LACY EVANS rose to bring under the con sideration of the house the expediency of amalgamating the Metropolitan and City of London police establishments. He considered that there should be but one police for the entire metropolis. The result of the bad management on the part of the police on Saturday was, that both the Prince and Princess were exceedingly alarmed for their own safety. It was not improbable that the dejeuner at the Guildhall on Saturday morning had to someextent detained the civic authorities from their municipal duties on this occasion. (Hear, and laughter.) He cited the loss of e ight lives in the City and no ne in the metropolita dencen police district on the night of the illuminattons, as evi of the bad management of the police on that occasion. (Hear.) The LORD MAYOR said the matter brought before this house by the hon. and gallant member involved much larger questions than appeared on the surface; it was, in fact, the culminating point of the grievances that had been unnecessarily set before the public during the last week. On Saturday the whole business of keeping order rested e upo ic n the city police. Large vans cont ainin g metropolitan pol were driven into the city in the course of the morning, and materially contributed to create confu sion. The judges sitting at the Central Criminal Court were re peatedly in the habit of stating that the city police exhibited more zeal and ab ilit y than the metropolitan police, (Oh, oh.) It was untrue that the City Cit had refused th e a id of a squadron of cavalry. The City understood that they would have the benefit of the Life Guards, whose majestic appearance and well-trained horses would have contributed mush to keep order. All the military the city had was 200 artillerymen, whose horses were so caparisoned that they created a great deal of obstruction ; indeed, they consti tuted the worst force that could have been employed. He (the Lord Mayor) told the noble lord (Lord A. Paget) that he should have liked 400 Life Guards, if he could have got them. The City authorities gave the most emphatic instructions that the volunteers should not be ke be engaged in keeping the peop le back --that they should pt a the the specta cle, and as ob j ects of chief barriers as par t of attraction—(renewed laughter)—moreover, in oin ev c ery way to give way to the crowd. (Laughter.) The l er in com mand of the troops to which he (the Lord Is' ayor) had the honour to belong, instead of coming to the Man sion-house free* the forming ground, a dis tance of only 480 yards, he most improperly went round a distance of 3, 000 . (Laughter.) I n getting to their appointed place at the Mansion-house they caused great confusion, and were themselves lost in the crowd. (Much laughter,) He did not refuse the aid of the metro politan police, because their aid was never offered. He raw carriages pace the Mansion-house freely and rapidly, but it appeared that carriages were detained many hours in the metropolitan district. (Hear, hear.) He was at the • Mansion -house on the night of the illumination, believing it a post of danger. (Laughter.) The crowd was so great that he feared, if barriers had been used, as suggested, there THE 'A tl N , LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, MARCEI 14, 1363. .................... —...e.=. - . - ___, _ ._ _ _ . woulil have been greater loss of life, Which he, in dommon 1 it was a matter whieh the House of Commons ought not to , , with all the citizens. greatly deplored; (I/ear) I make too much of. (Hear , bear.) I Lord A. PAGET—As my hon, friend has alluded to Lord ELCHO asked the Secretary o - : State for War by me, and as I had the honou r of taking part in the Royal i whose authority an official paragraph recently appeared in procession, and of preceding the carriage of the Princes i the 2 fetes newspaper, complaining that the space of ground and Prince through the City, perhaps I may be Ahmed to railed off in Hyde - park for t he volunteers on Saturday last say a few words. And, first of all, I should like to bear was unnecessarily great. Whether it was with his sanction witness to the perfect behaviour and good humour on the and knowledge that the paragraph in question was pub part of the 'people on that day. (Cheers.) I lished : and whether, in the opinion of the Secretary of cannot conceive a more trying circumstance than State for War, the space so enclosed was greater than was being in a vast crowd, with the pressure of the people be• required for the necessary mancevres which had to be per hind, and seeing in advance outriders, horses, equerries,and formed by the volunteers on the occasion of the passage of cavalry come crushing on one's toes ; and I can safely say the Royal procession through the park. It was the wish of that I never heard one angry word expressed. Of course I great numbers of the volunteers to make a loyal demonstra on such an occasion it was no use being ill-tempered. On I tion on Saturday last, and her Majesty having acceded to the contrary, when one saw fr m London -bridge a mass of I that wish great numbers of volunteers assembled in Hyde people in front, your plan was to get them to make way as park. The volunteers occupied a very small space in pro well as they could, as we were bound in fact for Windsor. ; portion to their numbers. This was the opinion of General (Laughter.) lam bound to say that the people—l will not Rumley. The paragraph to which he (Lord Elcho) re call them a mob, for they were not a mob—the people ren- \ ferred seemed to have an official character about it, and as dered every assistance, a nd cheered on all sides, an d in fact it reflected unjustly on the War-office and the volunteers it made way for us. With regard to t he p olice, lam bound I was hardly likely to have emanated from the Secretary of to say that I think they were so few in number that they War or the Secretary for the Home Department. It was were completely outnumbered, and that they in fact gave it likely the paragraph emanated from Sir R. Mayne himself, up as a bad job. (Laughter.) Moreover, from what I and if so he had certainly forgot his position, and exceeded could see of them, the great majority of them were anxious his duty. If there was to be a volunteer demonstration it to see our beautiful Princess. As to the scene at the Man- was right that ample space should be allowed their ma sion-house, there are enough witnesses to testify to it, nceuvres. (Hear, hear.) There is no doubt it was a very tremendous squash. Sir G. C. LEWIS said he had been informed by Sir R. (Laughter.) I saw people actually get og the top of the Mayne that the paragraph in qu estion was furnished by carr iage, and I saw a great many running, not only under I him. He (eir G. C. Lewis) believedere h c tat the arrange made ment his s the carriage, but between the leaders and the wheelers. lin Hyde-park for the volunteers warefully by certainly did appeal to several policemen,who were standing, Royal Highness the Duke of Cambridge and Sir R . Ma y ne. a row of them, around the Mansion-house. I said to them The latter having communicated with General Rumley was " For God's sake Igo to the carriage, or we shall have them informed by him that no more room was assigned to volun upset." I took one fellow's number—(laughter)—No. 68, teers than was necessary. He (Sir G. C. Lewis) regretted because he refused to move. He said—" No, he would not to find that any misunderstanding on the subject had taken move," and I reported this circumstance to the head of the place. police, and of course he was excessively annoyed at the cir- Lord HOT HAM said he had met, on his way down to the cumstance. When we got through the city I can only de- house that day, Sir R. Mayne in the streets, and was asked scribe it as something like what must happen to naviga- by him whether he had seen the notice of the noble lord tors who go into the Arctic regions, and after having (Elcho), from which he (Sir R. Mayne) anticipated that an been for some time locked up in the icebergs see in the attack would be made on him, and requested him (Lord distance clear water. That was the sen sation I Hotham) not to defend him, but merely to s tate the p art felt when we got through Temple-bar. I certainly did which he had taken on the occasion. It was the custom on say, " Thank God, we have got through the worst of it." occasions of this description for the police to be charged with (Laughter.) My hon. friend (the Lord Mayor), whom I the duty of keeping the streets, and it was confided to Sir R. know very well, will bear me out when I say, that when I Mayne to make the necessary arrangements for the recent ascertained that I was to have the honour of going with the procession—not only for the streets but for the park. In the Procession. I went to him—having had ex nerience of some latter place he caused to be mart-,0 ~ ....t .- -P-" —Amens quart ro cession, and also for the volunteers , It was er of a century in processions — l went to m y hon. for the royal p also arranged that the volunteers we re not to occu py a sin g le friend, and first of all he gave me a most excellent lun cheon. I then said, "Are you quite sure you have force inch of ground that might interfere with the gratification of enough to keep this line, for I know that there will be an the loyal population of the metropolis who would be pre immense concourse of people ?" He said he thought there sent. These rangarements had been made on Friday. On was sufficient force, but he would send to the head of the Friday night S. Mayne received information that the authorities were making different arrang ements ; police. I said, " Bear in mind I do not come to you as her military a much larger apace, and issu in g Majesty's Chief Equerry to the Lord Mayor of London, that they were taking because that is not within my province. I have nothing to tickets of admission for intended occupants. On going to do with ordering anything. I have but to attend upon the the park on Saturday morning he was astonished to find Prince of Wales and the Princess Alexandra. I, therefore, that a vastly larger space had been set off for the volunteers Lord Alfred Paget, come to you. Mr. Rose, and I have than had been originally intended, and that the result would every reason to believe and know that if you want any as- be to deprive thousands ot an opportunity of seeing the pro sistance you will get it;" and I may have said" Not goy cession. The noble lord (Lord Elcho) said no more space from the Horse Guards but from the metropolitan force." was taken than was necessary tor the manoeuvres of the Of course it was not my province to step out of my duty to volunteers. But it was not a review day. (Hear, hear.) The interfere in what did not concern me. I have the charge of volunteers were merely there to show, like others, their keeping the streets clear—it was merely a suggestion. Of loyalty. (Hear, hear.) According to the noble lord, the vo course I left it to my hon. friend to communicate whatever lunteers must be wanting in discipline if they could not he wished to the Horse Guards and the metropolitan police take up their position in the ample space assigned them by force. I should have been very happy if he had authorised Sir R. Mayne. me to carry any message to Sir Richard Mayne, but I Lord ELCHO said he attribuf eel nothing to the Yolunt eers guarded myself patticularly by saying that I came to him but what had been attributed by the general in command. Lord HOTHAM said as an old friend, and not as being autho rised. (Lau g hter.) the noble lord and his well-ap pointed corps could pass, and he could not fail to observe, Col. FRENCH protested against the c ensure cast upon Artillery by the Lord Mayor. also, how a battalion of the Grena dier Guards, to which he the Horse The LORD MAYOR ex plained that his observations (Lord Hotham) once belonged , ca me down Pall-mall and took up their positions on each aide of the street without were not against the conduct of the men. They did all do, but the trapping any inconvenience to the public. They did not require 120 they e lo, duty that body had to do.s of the horses were not adapted yards in width to execute their manoeuvres. He had heard to the hit stated as a reason why so much grou n d was wanted for Mr. AY RTON said that te amalgamation of the City with the metropolitan police force wa s a ver y old question. the volunteers was, that they were to march p ast . Whom were they to march past ? The procession h ad g one on. So long ago as 18 54 a commission w as a pp ointed to in q uire Lord ELCHO—The general in command. (Laughter.) into the subject, and that commission in their re p ort re- Lord HOT HAM was sure that Ge neral Rumle y would commended an amalgamation of the two forces. This ques tion involved various considerations, and ought to engage not expect them to do any such thing. (Hear, hear.) When the attention of the Government, because it was a most ex- Sir R. Mayne observed on Saturday morning the alterations traordinary thing that in the heart of the metropolis there that had I een made, he immediately suspended one of his should be a separate jurisdiction which had a right to co- officers for allowing, at the bidding of a staff officer, the operate or not with the police of other parts of the metro- first arrangements to be departed from without was wrong for an official to send commu nications of the communi , eating with him (Sir R. Mayne). With res p ect to the polls Sir G, GREY said he was not at all su r p rised that his Paragraph in Me Times, it was said by the nob l e lord that hon. and gallant friend had brought t his sub j ect under the it kind to the newspapers. Nothing, however, was more corn consideration of the house. There could be no doubt that on Saturday last there was a very gre at obstruction to the mon than for hon. members to do so , an d even members of the Government frequently communicate d p ublic p a p ers to progress of the Royal carriages thro u g h the cit y of London, Mayor to the press before they were furnished to membe rs of the house. and he had felt it his duty to write to the Lord Let him further say, there was not the s li g htest soreness on call his attention to the subject , an d to remind him that the art of Sir Richard Mayne in consequen ce of an y thin g route was fixed, and her Majesty's consent given to that the p route being adopted on the distinct under standin g that most that might be done with his orders. His nob l e friend, as effectual means should be taken to prevent confusion, and usual on such occasions, said that arrangements should be that he received an assurance from the City authorities that made by the War Office and the Horse Guards. That might t h e ir arrangements were adequate to that purp ose. There be no, but if Sir Richard Mayne had been informed by his was no doubt that on the whole route from the Bricklayers' hon. friend the Secretary of State for the Home lte p artment Arms to London -bridge, and again from Tem p le-bar to Pad- that to Hyde-park he need pay no atte ntion, he could sa y , on the part of Sir Richard Mayne, that if it had been proper dington, although a vast multitude of peop le assembled for him so to speak, with the plain freed of the Secretary there was not the slightest delay or obst r u ction, but no free dom of State, he would have said, " I am ve r y much obli g ed to sooner did the procession pass on to London -brid g e than a y But inasmuch as no communic a t ion had been ou, because then I shall have many more po li c e to p ut on delay of 20 minutes took place. Again, a cons iderable dela y took place at the Mansion -house, and he was informe d by elsewhere." made to him, he felt it his duty, until info rmed to the con several gentlemen who witnessed the pa ssin g of the p roves- trail' by the right hon. baronet, to ac t as he had alwa y s sion, that there appeared to be an abscence of authority to done on similar occasions. Lest there sho uld be an y mistake give directions to the police an d to render that assistance as to what he (Lord Hotham) had stated, he would read, which it was in their power to g ive. He had called on the Mayor to furnish him with a r eturn of the number of word for word, a letter which Sir R ichard Ma y ne had ad- Lord dressed to a gentleman connected with t he Times news p a p er, police employed on the occasion, and the details of the ar- r angements. He deeply regretted th at these obstructions which his noble friend had made the bas i s of his motion, took place, because they were the o nl y circumstances which from which his noble friend and the hou se would see b y what feeling Sir Richard Mayne wa s actuated, and the in the slightest degree lessened t he effect or marred the s plendour of the cordial and enthusiastic rece p tion accorded desire he had to show that he was not i n fault, and that he to the Prince of Wales and the Princess Alexand ra b y the regretted that better arrangements had not been made. Sir metropolis that day. The Lord Mayor bad stated th at as- Richard Mayne wrote in this manner :—" With reference sistance was not offered by the metropolitan p olice, nor by to the very just observations in the Times' repo rt of this morning (page 11) of the people being kept at too gre at a dis the military authorities. No , he w as informed that the military authorities did offer assistance , and that that as- fence from the line of procession in Hyde - park , an d as re sistance was absolutely refused; but, wi t h g reat difficulty Bards the police interfering for that purpose, it was contrary were persuaded to admit into t he Cit y a to my express order, and I have suspende d the superinten the City authoritiesfew mounted artillery, who were very useful. With regard dent who had charge of that part ot the line , althou g h he pleaded in extenuation that he acted u; on the ur g ent to the metropolitan police force, he might state what was stuffthe law upon the subject. The law gave the City autho- demand of officer, that he should place the police a t rities absolute power to remove all obstructions from the the distance along the hurdles. My intention was that so on occasions of public processions, and streets, especially much ground only should be occupied as would allow room th e metropolitan police could only be employed in the City for the Royal co, tege and the columns of the volunteers at on the request ot the Lord Mayor. Sir Richard Mayne the side. I wets touch annoyed on coming into the p ark to positively assured him that on the 28 th February he attended fled that the police had acted contrary to m y orders, the effect being to dept ive the people of all sight of the Princees, the meeting ot the City reception committee, and that he then offered to take charge ot Fleet-street, that he informed and to deprive the Royal party of the cheering which them of clauses in the act, and that he reminded them that had been heard elsewhere at every point. I never witnessed on the occasion of the Emperor of the French visiting the such continued and hearty exclamations of ' Welcome' as City the metropolitan police absolutely took charge of the were given on Saturday by the countless multitude of all streets from Temple-bar to St. Paul's. 'el e believed that classes, from the Borough along the whole route. You the difficulty arose from an over-confidence in the efficiency may take any notice you may think proper of the arrange of the police. That efficiency he considered was ample for merits in the Park." That was all that was written by Sir Richard Mayne. (Cheers.) He (Lord Hotham) had no other h that which an a ctuated individual oth er w a hon, all ordinary duties , but it was insufficient to meet an extra bobejrescottinthat house view thanse ; thst when m e m - ordinary occasion such as that which occurred on Saturday attacked, last. He thought it would be wrong merely from what oc be he high or low, cursed on Saturday to sa y at once that there should be an when aspersions had been unjustly his case stly cast amalgamation of the Cit y with the metropolitan force. He upon him, that he should have an opportunity of being stated, and showing that his cause had been just. entirely agreed as to the expediency of the amalgamation. However in other matters the House of Commons was in- No doubt it was a great anomaly that in the centre of the fluenced by political feeling, in a case of truth and justice metropolitan district there should be a separate jurisdiction. between man and man, the House of Commons would not, It was an inconvenience not only manifest on one occasion, he believed, go wrong. (Loud cheers.) but might arise on others. He thought that some alteration Sir G. GREY expressed his deep regret that there should of the law was necessary, in order to give the Government have been any conflicting orders between the civil and for the time being, concurrently with the City authorities, military departments on this occasion, and he must a'so re power to take precautions for the purpose of keeping order Bret that his noble friend had brought the subject forward. in the City on such occasions. With regard to the bodies The fact was that Sir R. Mayne was actuated by the desire, of metropolitan police which came through the City from which did him the greatest credit, that the arrangements the eastward to do duty in the west, and were said to have caused an obstruction, he had no information ; but he did under his directions should be su ch as to afford every pos not see how they could have created an obstruction on Lon- sible opportunity to the surging multitudes to witness the don-bridge. The arrangements certainly failed to ensure Ro y al p rocession. (Hear.) The military authorities seem that success which it was desired they should secure, but he to have taken a different view of the occasion, so far as had no doubt that the experience of the past would enable the procession was concerned. He and Sir Richard Mayne them to improve their arrangements in the future and pre- understood with regard to the volunteers that they should vent a repetition of such scenes as had occurred. He had form a line through which the Royal procession should no information except from public sources as to the fatal pass, allowing a certain space behind to which the accidents which occurred at the illuminations, and he was public might be admitted and obtain a compare not prepared to say that any one was to blame for those tively near view if the proceedings. The mill deaths. He believed that they occurred at two places in tary authorities appeared to have considered it as a the City, owing to the enormous pressure ; bat he doubted parade ground and review, and they therefore thought it whether it was practicable for the police to ensure absolute required a much larger space. He was sorry that the mis safety for persons going into great crowds. At the same understanding occurred, and that there should not have time, every precaution should be taken on occasions like been better previous concert. With reference to all future that to prevent such oceurrelocea- He might say that he public exhibitions effectual means would be taken to prevent was commanded by her Majesty to communicate the deep any such misunderstanding. He was very sorry that such grief and concern with which she had read in the papers a misunderstanding had occurred, but it arose from a desire the account of their deaths, and she had desired him to ea _ of both parties to do what they considered their duty. press her sympathy with th e families of the sufferers, and The subject then dropped. to have an inquiry made int o their circumstances. CHINA. Mr. Alderman SIDNEY thought it unfair that advan- Colonel SYKES asked the Under -Secretary of State for tage should be taken of the occurrence of Saturday last to Foreign Affairs whether the Government would communi inveigh against the police of the City. If it had not been for cate to the house any further papers, in continuation of this, the area at the disposal of the si g htseers would have those of the session of 1862, respecting the progress of been much extended, and there would have been no over- affairs ins China, particularly in regard to the recent mutiny crowding in London. They all remembered the popular story of the dilled Chinese troops under Gen, BurgGvine ; the —se, il, fell into the hands of the a ccusation of treason and robbery against that officer ; his enemy.a hor Now it happened t for want of a na hat on Saturday last a gallant r emoval from his command, and the issue of a proclamation b the Footae of Shanghai offering a reward of 20,000 do's. colonel, animated by a desire for popularity, instead of con- y tenting himself by a route of 420 yards, extended his route for his Mari head ; the appoi ntmGener ent of Ca Stptavale ain Holland, o ding f the to about 2,000 yards, and it was owing to this c ause alone Royal nes, by Major-al y, comman the police re gulations in the City broke down. The City the British force at Shanghai, to the temporary command; authorities had proved themselves en all occasion -, good ad- the refusal of the Chinese troops to accept him as their com ministraters, and had always chosen the most efficient men mender ; and any informatien of the proceedings of Capt. for the discharge of public duties. The great defect was that Dew, R.N., at Ningpo. too many of the police force had been concentrated under THE POPE AND MR. ODO RUSSELL. one head. If the Tower Hamlets, Westminster, Marylc- Mr. STIRLING called the attention of the house to a bone, and other places in the metropolis were erected into portion o f the corres p ondence relating to the affairs of Rome, municipalities this evil would be remedied. (Oh.) No more and asked the Under -Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs would then be heard of the und ue concen t r ation of the police whether there was any objection to lay upon the table a force. The noble lord said that the spectatorswero not a mob copy of the despatch of Mr. Odo Russell, or of a part of it, —that there was not amen in the streets who was not will- re t . words of the Pope d ur i n g their conversation or tin those ing to render assistance in preserving order. Was not this on the 26th July, 1862, which led to Earl Russell's despatch a proud testimony to the authorities of• the City of London? of the 25th of October, and the suggestion that the Pope (No, no, and laughter.) He thought it a proof of the popu- should retire to Malta. The hon.member said he was in larity of the ruling powers inLthe City of London that there d d wasfeurcee to take the present course in not a single manifestation of ill-humour throughout t versions which were given of what had taken place the vast multitude assembled. He sincerely deplored the during the conversation b and Mr. Odo breaking down of the arrangements on Saturday last, but Russell, Earlßuese ch aracterise d L e c t l wnth e Pope the French ver- sion of the affair as entirety inaccurate ; but the French papers, though having no liberty in anything else, were allowed by the Government to amuse their readers by re peating the French account of the " incident alo Rus sell." They all knew that the French Minister for Foreign Affairs 11A the press of that country entirely un der his authority, and that he could extinguish it if he pleased ;he was, in short, the sub-editor of the French press, responsible to nobody but the Emperor, who was the editor-in-chief. (Hear.) It appeared to him that the original despatch from Mr. Odo Russell would throw light on the matter, and set at rest the misapprehensions which now prevailed. He would not ask the hen. gentleman to give the whole of the despatch, as parts of it might be con fidential, but the portion relating to the interview with the Pope administration Made for a service of 400,000 men was £76,000. (Hear, hear.) The proportion per man under the English system was £l4s. 8d ; the French proportion per man was 38. 10d. (Hear, hear.) In England they paid six times as much to their clerks ands mployes in the War office as was paid under the French syem. The right hon. gen tleman would probably tell him that the institutions of the two countries were entirely different, and that intellectual wages in England were more than in France. That was true enough, as he understood the national characteristics; they paid more wages to an Englishman, but he did twice as much work ; but the peculiarity of the War-office was, that while they paid their clerks treble as much as was paid in France, these clerks did not do half as much work. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) With regard to war like stores, the department in which the right hon. gen tleman struck off a million at a blow, thus creating mag nificent ruins in order to enable them to judge of the more magnificent structure he had left, the proportion in military stores per man in England was £7 10s. 3d. ; the proportion per man in France was 16s. 24, (Hear, hear.) If they managed the stores in this country with the same degree of economy as in France, they might effect a saving in this vote alone of £994,000. Of course, they could not expect the right hon. gentleman, against whom he made no charge whatever, to take the initiative in military reit:it rn. The blame did not rest with the right hon. gentleman, but with the system. They could not expect to cure the evil by parings here and there, but by recasting a vicious orga nisation. While prosperity lasted, there might be some plea set up for allowing the clerks to enjoy their places; but bad times were coming upon the country ; their priu ' cipal inaustry hsd suffered a blow from which it had not recovered, and he apprehended they would fed still more hereafter the effects of what was taking place on the American continent. (Hear, hear.) He was entirely un favourable to any reduction of the army, but if the) could r elieve the tax-payer by reducing the cost of the army, while they maintained its efficiency, they would direct the national call for economy which was getting up into a useful channel, and alleviate private distress without per manent injury to the interests of the country. (Cheers.) Sir H. VERNEY said the conclusion to which the noble lord's remarks pointed was the amalgamation of the War •ffice and the Horse-guards ; but while he said this he did not mean to deny there were many points touche 3 upon by the noble lord to which the Government might profitably direct their attention. Sir G. C. LEWIS said, some years ego he bad been in duced to make a comparison somewhat like that with winch the noble Ita 1 had favoured them ; but, however interesting the comparison might prove as a matter of statistical study, he found it was barren of any prac tical results. The circumstances of the two countries were so different ; the French army was formed by con scription, the English army by voluntary recruiting. The rates of wages were different in the two countries—the sys tems of finance were different. The French budget was made two or three years in advance, and was prepared on a system of allowing only ordinary expenditure, but there were extraordinary credits which did not appear in the re gular returns of expenditure. The noble lord did not want to reduce the army, nor the pay of the army—so far they were agreed. What he wished to see done was to have the wages of the artificers and the pay of the clerks reduced. (Hear.) But the Government could not reduce the pay of the artificers at Woolwich, as the rates were regulated by the state of the market ; and if the noble lord advocated the reduction of the wages of the clerks in the War-office, he should be prepared to apply the same rule to the clerks in the Home-office, the Treasury, and the whole of the civil service departments. The Government had reduced the army within as narrow limits as were consistent with the exigencies of the public service ; and as it was with the pay of the army they were dealing, he trusted the committee would agree to the amount without going into matters irre levant to the vote, Col., DICKSON said the noble lord particularly guarded himself against any diminution in the pay of the soldiers, and attributed the excesses in the estimates to mismanage- , meat of the expense of the non-combatant pert of our army. In that he cordially concurred, and he should at the proper time show that there were in the estimates an enormous expenditure beyond what was required. He believed a great portion of the money NI as wasted in the War-office. Military men did more in the working of the army depart ment in France than in England, and be instanced the saving thereby effected in the clothing department of the Freech army. Major O'REILLY said it was no unusual circumstance for extra budgets to be presented in this country, as was done in France. The less expense of the French army had been attributed to the conscription, but on examination he was surprised to find there was so little difference in the cost of the English and French armies. The pay and food of an English infantry soldier was ISd. a day, that of a French in fantry soldier 10d. and in some instances 11d. The food and pay of an English cavalry soldier was 16c1 a day, and that dm French cavalry soldier 131 d; but he did not attribute the whole of that difference to the system of conscription. The cost of wages to artificers were much lower in England than in France. Mr. P. URQUHART concurred in the remarks of the noble lord the member for Stamford. Mr. FORSTER considered the Secretary of State for War had not answered the statements made by the noble lord. He wished for further inquiry on the subject. Sir G. C. LEWIS asked the noble lord to more clearly explain what he meant by the non-combatant part of the army. Lord R. CECIL said all except the pay and pensions. He wished to prove that to economise the army estimates it was not necessary to reduce the number and pay of the army. but the other expenses attending them. (Hear.) The vote, however, was ultimately agreed to. On the vote of £1,223,936 for commissariat establish ments, movement of troops, &c., Mr. MILLS moved its reduction by £80,424 for the com missariat and transport of troops in the colonies. He con sidered that the colonies could bear a larger proportion of the expences of their defence than they now did. (Hear, hear.) He disclaimed any desire to dismember our colo nies ; but he considered that, as this country was suffer ing from a special pressure, it was desirable to test whether the house was prepared to give due notice to the colonies that they must be called upon to bear their proper proportion towards the expenditure for their de fence. (Hear, hear.) Sir G. C. LEWIS said it was impossible to agree to the amendment. Such an amendment, if carried, would not be binding on the colonies. It trust be done by Act of Par liament ; and then came the question how far that house could tax the colonies. If the colonies were to contribute the amount objected to, it must be the first voted by the house, and any sum raised by colonies towards it must be set off against it. To strike out this amount, without a previous understanding with the colonies, would be perilous to the public service; and, so far as the troops in the colo nies were concerned, the greatest inconvenience would ensue therefrom. Mr. CHILDERS said that the commissariat expenditure upon the colonies proper was £300,000, and it certainly was no very extravagant proposal to make the colonists them selves contribute one-fourth of that amount. The cost of the tro ips at the Mauritius was £151.000, and of that sum only £lO,OOO was paid by the colonists. Now, the finances of the island were in a most flourishing condition, and therefore the Government might very well exact a much larger contribution towards the maintenance of the garri son. In the same way Ceylon cost them £150,000 a year; and, as Ceylon was rich, she ought to contribute more than she did for the maintenance of the troops. The Cape was not perhaps so well able as the two colonies he had just mentioned to make a large contribution ; still, as her finances were being retrieved, she might very well pay more than £lO,OOO out of the £40,000 which was the total cost of the troops stationed at the Cape. Mr. C. FORTESCUE reminded the committee that the rule invariably acted upon was, that when troops were moved about in a colony for merely police purposes, the expense of their transport must be borne by the colonial revenue. But the vote against which the amendment was directed was for the purpose of supplying the troops with their daily food and forage. With respect to the Mauritius and Ceylon, he could inform the committee that the Colonial Secretary, after a most searching inquiry into the subject, had determined to prepare the governors of those colonies to receive requisiticns for a considerably increased contri bution towards the maintenance of the troops quartered there. With respect, however, to the Cape, the case was not quite so easy, on accound of the peculiar danger to which the settlers there were exposed, and which had necessitated, for a long period, the maintenance of so large a force in the colony. At the same time the number of the troops sta tioned at the Cape had been recently greatly reduced ; so much so, that there were now only 4,000 men in the colony, against 8,000 not very long ago. Their object at the Cape was to encourage the augmentation of the border police—a force much more capable of encountering the warlike tribes than the regular troops were. He was happy to say that force was being gradually increased; and as the increase went on it would be possible still further to diminish the number of the troops, and in that way, and in that way alone, to diminish the military expenditure on acoount of the colony. Mr. ROEBUCK warned the committee chat a great prin ciple underlaid the question now before them. It appeared to him to be a portion of the Imperial power of England that the Home Government should have complete control over the movements of the army. Well, if the expense of maintaining the troops in the colonies was thrown upon the colonies, waa no t England yielding up a portion of her Imperial power Ile was not at all unprepared to callupon the colonies to defend themselves; but then he would do so directly, not indirectly— merely by a vote in committee of supply when the question was raised how the expense of moving the troops in the co lonies was to be met. Lord STANLEY thought the committee had got into a difficulty. No doubt the object of the majority of the com mittee was to effect a reduction in the amount of the colo nial expenditure; but if that reduction was to be made, it was quite clear it ought to be made upon the annual expen diture upon the whole, and not merely on one bran ch ofthe military servi ce . H e did not think any general rule could be laid down on the subject. But the course which was most generally applicable would be for the Imperial Government to send the amount of force:that they thought was fair to each of the colonies, and leave them to supp l y what was wanted by a local militia. Mr. BUXTON suggested to the hon. member for Tann. OUTRAGES IN JAPAN. Mr. H. SEY?.IOUIt rose to call the attention of the house to recent occurrences in Japan, and to move for papers ; and said he was justified in doing so from the con tinued outrages and murders which had been committed by the Japanese, In 1860 they bad attacked two Dutch caps tains ; in 1861 they made an attack on the American Secre tary of Legation; and in 1862 they murdered Mr. Richard son. Capt. Neild wrote some months ago for instructions how to act under those accumulated grievances, and those who had relations in that country were anxious to know if the Government intended to take any steps to prevent re petitions of those lamentable circumstances. The feeling of the British merchants in Japan was that the Foreign-office did not take sufficient care in the selection of their agents in that country, and they believed that gentlemen might be found capable of openiag up our relations with Japan, and at the same time conduct themselves like Christian Eng lish gentlemen. Col. Neild had had no Eastern experience. He joined the liberating army in Portugal in 1832, and was for 30 years afterwards in Turkey, when suddenly he found himself appointed by the Foreign-office to China, and then to Japan. The hon. member urged that men better ac quainted with the East and the manners of the people might have been found for the consular duties at Japan. It was useless to attempt to reduce the army and navy estimates whilst men, from the ir ignorance of the people amongst whom they were sent, were likely to embroil us inwars that might cost millions. Mr. LAYARD said that all the papers in the possession of the Foreign-office with regard to China had been laid upon the table of the house. Ho had no information rela tive to the offer of 20,000 dole. for Gen. Burgovine's head, 0.-pss..sa ',pinion *het the hon. and gallant gentle man (Col. Sykes) relied more on private correspondence, which was likely to mislead him, than on the papers fur nished to the house by the Foreign-office. He was unable to give him more information than had been already sup plied. He was sorry he could not comply with the request of the hon. member for Perth, *ith reference to Mr. Odo Russell's conversation with the Pope, on account of its being contrary to the usual custom. What took place be tween Mr. Odo Russell and the Pope relative to an asylum being offered to him in Malta was correctly reported in Mr. Odo Russell's despatch of January, which was printed amongst the papers relating to that subject that had been laid beton Parliament. It was true that French news papere had contradicted the account given by Mr, Odo Russell, but he (Mr. Layard) was convinced of the truth of Mr. Odo Russell's at• term nt. He knew not what the press might say, but the utmost reliance m i g ht be placed upon the words of an English gentleman—(hear) —especially that of a public servant so able, honourable, and conscientious as Mr. Odo Russell. (Hear, hear.) That gentleman had never been recalled, He came to England on leave of ab sence, and on his return to Remo Earl Ruseell took the op portunity of furnishing him with the despatch, a copy of which had been laid ui on the table. The hon. member for Poole had been misinformed with. regard to Mr. Morrison. That gentleman was not sent home to England to have his conduct investigated. His health had suffered from a consi derable residence in Japan, and he crime home in conse quence. It was quite true that numerous charges had been made against him in the Singapore papers of a serious cha racter, affecting him both as a consul and as a gentteman. When they were brought to the attention of the Foreign. Office a full inquiry was instituted, which resulted in that gentleman's entire acquittal. It was true that Mr. Morrison did strike a Japanese, which met with the disapprobation of her Majesty's Government, and a request that on his re turn he would be more careful in his future dealings with, and his treatment of, the natives. At the same time he must say that Mr. Morrison was one of the ablest public servants in the East ; he was perfectly acquainted with his duties, and had obtained the entire ap proval of the British residents in Japan. In consequence of the barbarous trawler of Mr. Richardson, Government bad sent out instructions to our consular agent to obtain full satisfaction for that outrage ; but, as they could not yet have been carried into execution, he could not with pro priety lay them on the table of the house. He defended the consular appointments by Earl Russell ; and with regard to Colonel Neild, on the showing of the hon. member for Poole, Colonel Neild had had thirty years' experience in the East before he was sent to China. Colonel Neild had very efficiently discharged his duties, and had shown that the noble earl was justified in rn acing the appointment. A misunderstanding did at one time exist between Colonel Neild and the British merchants in Japan, but he was happy to say it had been amicably arranged. Sir G. BOWYER rose to correct a mistake made by the Under- Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs in stating that the Holy Father asked if he would be allowed an asylum in Malta if circumstances necessitated it. What the de spatches stated referred to an asylum in England, and not in Malta. He reminded the house that at the time the alleged conversation took place, viz., when Garibaldi was in arms and Italy was in a very unsettled state, and this conversation was nothing more than a random expression by the Pope when Mr. Odo Russell was leaving the room, which had been mistaken and misapprehended, much in the same manner as the conversation of the Speaker with a member of the house which gave rise to the report last year that the Speaker would shoot in a rifle match with the Lord Chancellor. (Laughter.) He had teen informed that since the report of this incident Mr. Odo Rue-eli had been placed in a less desirable position in Rome than before, and he asked the Under Foreign Secretary it there was any truth in the report. Mr. LAYARD said it was a slip of the tongue in using Malta for London. With regard to Mr, Odo Russell, that gentleman was as popular in Rome and as much liked there as OM% Mr. H. RUSSELL, who spuka in so low a tone that he was scarcely audible in the gallery, defended his brother Mr. Odo Russell, from the charge of inaccuracy relative to his conversation with the Pope. The Vatican was alarmed at that time at what was going on in Italy from Garibaldi's ne erements and oth r circumstances. Our agent in Rome was in a position of great difficulty, not having there the co-operation of Frenchagents, as was the case in other parts of the world. In Rome our policy was opposed to that of France. In Italy we wished to see the national indepen dence established, and the deliverance of Rome from fo reign occupation, whilst France desired to perpetuate the tern;)oral power of the Pope and the occupation of Rome by French troops. (Mar, hear.) He advised the English Government to have as little as possible to do with the Pop —(hear)—and let him and the other Powers get out of their difficulties as best they could, (Hear, hear.) Ha could assure the hon. member for Dundalk that his brother's posi tion was not changed in Rome in consequence of what had transpired. The house then went into committee of suppl'. THE ARMY ESTIMATES. On the first vote, General PEEL took some technical objections to the form of the estimates, and was understood to complain that when Indian troops were employed upon Imperial service —as, for example, on operations in China—the responsi bility of the House of Commons over that branch of the military expenditure was not made sufficiently manifest. The CHANCELLOR , of the EXCHEQUER and Sir G. C. LEWIS offered explanations as to the points raised by the right hon. gentleman. After some further discussion, in which General Peel, Sir G. C. Lewis, and Mr. T. G. • aring took part, Mr. W. WILLIAMS complained that there was a charge of £600,000 more this year than last, although there were 4,160 less men. the question of the cost of defending the colonies was one which ought to be seriously considered It was now proposed to vote 45,000 men more than Lord Aberdeen's Government had required, the pay of which amounted to £4,000,0C0, according to the gallant general's calculation.l Gen. PEEL said his calculation of £lOO per man covered all military expenditure. Colonel SYKES said there would always be an open fluc tuating account between the Imperial and the Indian Go vernments so long as Indian troops were employed out of India. They ought not to be so employed without the con sent of the House of Commons. After a few brief explanations by Sir G. C. LEWIS to Sir F. Baring, Mr. Berkeley, and Lord W. Graham, upon minor details, Lord R. CECIL objected generally to the magnitude of the entire vote, and gave a statement which he said was the relative cost of the English and other European armies. England was £93 15s per man ; France, £34 7s ; Sardinia, £3O ; Spain, £2B 12s ; Portugal, £2B Is ; the German States, £lB 12s; and Denmark, £l2 12e. Sir G. LEWIS interrupted the noble lord to say, that the English figure was obtained by dividing the whole vote for the army by the number of men. Unless the noble lord could show that his totals were found by the same method of calculation those comparisons were valueless. (Hear.) It was custemary with foreign Governments to charge half pay, pensions, &c., to a separate account. Lord R. CECIL then referred to the fact that the total cost of the English army of 148,242 men was, after deduct ing militia and navy stores, £BB per man, while in France it was but £36 ss. 10 , 1. (Hear, hear.) At the French rate, after making alt deductions, we could save £9 14s. per man or •d. in the pound on the ncoine tax. (Hear, hear.) He particularly censured the heavy expenses for the non-com batant departments. If a reduction was to be made, and it would soon, let it be there, and not in the number of men, leaving us as we were when the Crimean war broke with no army, and compelled to send out mere boys to die in the trenches. (Rear.) The difference between the two central administrations was still more startling. The cost of the English central administration made for a service of 148,000 men was £182,000; the cost of the French central ,_ ' . ton to withdraw his motion, as it was of dimensions far too 1 on the strength of the former transat. ltion he oh , - great to be debated in committee. If the subject were tained a loan of £2O. brought for discussion again before the house, they might Kendall'oatnews, KJ•htish-toarn ; from t hi,' .Ineiaty• The Rising Sun Loa 12 Soc iety 7, succeed in inducing the Government to go forward in re- he obtained a loan of £B. Stine of the se I t' a " '' l6i.° doting colonial military expenditure. obtained as far b tck as 1861, but malty of, th etn Colonel DICKSON wished to know how it was that in were of a roc nt date, the present estimates the cost of commissariat establish- a few days of each other. and had bean obtained, Will tin mints was largely increased, although the provisions sup- The jury found the prisort.er l plied by them were diminished in amount: Lockyer, the prison offic,r, guilty.his man vi'as Mr. ADDERLEY could not make out how transport ser- known to the authorities of Co ' dbath-fields prison. the long career of vice in the colonies could be for Imperial purposes. ser ftenced bim to be Mr. Payne, commenting upon' M... A. MILLS leclined n, withdraw his motion. fraud pursued. by the prisoner, Sir E. COLEBROOKE wasof opinion that carrying the kent in penal servitude for three ye'ars. amendment would have the effect of strengthening the K-zi th York, 45, was placed at th‘e bar, charged hands of the Government in d ea ling with the colonies in wi h having unlawfully and maliciou ily committed regard to colonial military expenditure. damage to a pane of glass, to the ain.mint of £lO Mr. CAVE, while favourable to cutting down colonial the property of Henry El tncock. military expenditure, was of opinion that the house and floury H tilcock said—l am the landlord of the country would never agree to colonies where savage natives Green Man public-house. Eigevvara-road. I recol existed, like the Cape and New Zealand, defending them- led the night of the 24th of February last. At selves in their own way. about nine o'clock that night tho prisoner came Mr. CARNE •IE said that if the motion were for the into the hous2 and stood there about 20 minutes, general reduction of the vote by £BO,OOO, he would vote f o r when I asked her to walk out, and she did so- Soon the bon. gentleman opposite. after I heard a smash, and went outside and saw a Mr. A. MILLS altered the form of his motion to that o f large pane of glass in the window hrokea. anal I saw a m otion for a general reduction of the vote by the sum of the prisoner with a stone in her hand. She said , LBO,OOO. " I will break the whole lot of window s." I st..izal. Sir G. C. LEWIS said that this house was bound not to hold of her and held her till a police constable cculf - ' , h tax the colonies. ( Hear, hear.) But if they were to pasta wen I gave her into custody. T he datna r done is vo te the effect of which w ould be to compel a colony to pay ahou . £ lO . It was about 25 minut es past tr in t, . into the exchequer a su m of L 20,000, would not , t hat be o'ch• ck when the window wa s broken taxing the colony ? (Hear, hear.) No doubt the G .vern- Georg Li ayd, police-consta.ble 222 D, said —r rent could recall its troops from any colony in which the took the prisoner in , o custody at bait-past nine h ou se thought the numbers were large, and that would o'clock on the night of the 21tn F-hr-alry kst. She too be the proper course to be p ursued. But to attempt to di• said, "I broke the window , and I'll break the lot; minish the expenses of the commissariat department of the the house ought to be mine?' whole army in order to lower colonial expenditure was ter- l'he jury found Vie pr:Foner guilty, and • M. P.yne sentenced her to be ititpri,moned and tainly not the proper mode to adopt. Mr. A. MILLS expl ained. kepi to hard labour tor nine calen ear nion;sti s. Mr. MONSELL cou ld not understand how his right nt Samuel Taylor, cabinetua tker, was Indicted for stealing 10 cigars and the au of 75., the property hon friend, who had promised last year, with the other and moneys of Chas. Clarke. mem bers of the Government , t o take vi g orous measures The prisoner pleaded not guilty. to reduce the expenses of the colonies, could make such a speech as that which they had j ust heard from him in Mr. T. H. Lewis prosecu t ed, an d Mr. Montague Williams defended it d the prisoner. defence of expenditure for the colonies. (Hear, hear.) Was The prosecutor, it just that this country should p a y for the military defence a ppears, is a publican residing'in Churchnstreet, Goswell-road, and on the after of colonies which were so prosperous that they had a large noon of March 3 the prisoner and another man of surplus of income over expenditure? His hon. friend the the name of C , rter were in the bar pariour of the member for Taunton bad taken a practical course, and it publichouse and saw the wife of the prosecutor place ' was not right to meet him with assertions that he should some money in the till. Shor tl y ate r the prose' have proceeded in some o ther form. He should support the tutor's wife went upstairs, and the prisoner Taylor motion for the reduction. sect the man Carter for some sausages. 01 toe pro ' Major GAVIN hoped that the house would not sanction secutor's wits coming downstai rs she discovered the a reduction in the allowance s for the comfort and susten ance of the soldier who was doing his duty, in the colonies, The prisoner was in the bar, trod a piece of the cigar or elsewhere. box was found underneath his chair. Mrs. Clarke The committee then divided. The numbers were— inf-rmed her husband of her loss in the. prisoner's For the reduction of the vote.... [ m .. Majority against the reduction 7l —7 saries. presence, and the prisoner at, once left t he roo m and For the original au went into the back yard. Shortly afterwar ds seven cigars and a half were found in the water closet in The next vote was for £630, 3 8 5 for clothi n g and neces- the yard, and a piece of cigar was discovered in the prisoner's pocket. Muc h amusement was caused in Colonel DICKSON asked the G o ve r n ment to p ost p one court by the learned counsel for the deft lace insist -1 the further consideration of the estimates. lug that the pieces of cigar did not fit, which was Sir G. C. LEWIS did not think eleven o'clock by any certainly the case. means a sufficiently late hoar to justify stopping on a sup- The De p ut y -Assistant Judge carefully summed ply night, up ttie evidence, and Mr. WILLIAMS wi shed to be informed what was the The jury. after considerable deliberation, found prisoner guilty, but recommended him to mercy on meaning of an item of £25,000 for machinery in a vote for clothing and necessaries. account of his previous good character. Colonel DICKSON said that he should move the reduc• The Deputy-Assistant Jud sentenced the pri tion of the vote by £25,000. This was one of those items soner to be imprisoned and kept to hard labour for for the non-combatant portion of the army which were four calendar months. always increasing. Sir G. BOWYEC condemned the system of maintaining a number of establishments of a similar character, scattered about in various places, so that Government might almost be said to be constantly living in lodgings, The plan was not only very inconvenient, but extremely expensive. Mr. PAGET complained of the present system of mak ing clothing contracts, by reason of which the Government always got badly and dearly served. He hoped that would soon be altered. Sir G. C. LEWIS defended the vote, which, he said, was less by £36,000 than the vote of last year, and £20,000 of it was for new buildings. The great portion of the work was done at Pimlico, but the work was given out to men and women, and was carefully inspected when made up. Colonel KNOX said the establishment at Pimlico had proved very satisfactory to the Government and the army, and he hoped it would enable them to get rid of the double system of contractors and a Government establishment. Lord LOVAINE also bore testimony to the excellency of the clothing supplied by the establishment at Pimlico. Mr. MONSELL would give up the whole question if it could not be shown that the clothing supplied by the con tractors was tar -uperior to that made at the establishment COUNTRY MARKETS• ~v-----. LIV KRPOOL—MARcu 6. At this day's market there was a lair attendance of both the town and country trade, and good red wheat met a ready sale at 2d per cental advance on the low rates of last Friday. Flour was firmer, but not improved in demand or value. Indian corn had a good inquiry, and at 6d per qr. dearer. Oats and oatmeal steady. Beans at 6d per qr over the full prices of last week. Barley and peas Were unaltered. WAKEFIELD —Meats 13. The wheat trade ruled firmer to-day, and prices were rather higher. Barley quiet. In other articles there was no material alteration in price. Averages for the week : Wheat .1,487 qrs., at 4ss 3d 8ar1ey......... 109 Rye. Beans Peas Oats lO 34s 9d —s Od . 25s 3d EXETER--MAucg 13. Wheat, white 6s 3d to 68 4d barley. 4s 3d to 4s 6d Ditto red .6s Od to 6s 3d Oats 9d to 3 Flour, fine, 36s to 37s ; seconds, 34s to 35s per sack. CATTLE. Fatbeef, p sc., 1080 d to 10s9d Ewes, per 11.- t ....sid to Pork carcases, 7s 6 d to 8 s 6 d Wethers, d 0.... _ 6i o 7th Lamb, p to d Fat calves, d0...61d to 7 Rough fat, 30 per lb. at Pimlico. Mr. WEVOY said it appeared to him that the Govern. ment in making th , - large workshops at Pimlico cont , tu plated becoming their own manufacturers; and if ao, it would be better that it should appear in the vote. Mr. CARNEGIE pointed out several items of increase in the vote. STAMFORD—MAncH 13. New wheat, 50s to 52s—red, 44s to 48s per 36 stone• Barley, malting, 39s to 425; grinding, 32s to 34s per qr• Oats, 22s to 25s per 24 stone. Beans, old, 42s to --s per qr. ; new, 35s to 388. After some tut they discussion, The amendment was negatived without a division, and the vote was agreed to. The Chairman was then ordered to report progress, and the house resumed. POST OFFICE SAVINGS BANK BILL. This bill was re-committed for the insertion of amend. ments in the first clause. BLEACHING AM EN AMENDMENT BIL L This bill was read a third time and passed. The house then adjourned, at 10 minutes after 12. BRISTOL SUG. kit—MARCH 13. law been very quiet, no doub t rich the public mind hee pearl 1 event just. celebrated. nallll Our raw market for sugar h on account of thu extent to a•h absorbed by the great national a dull sale. I,OA NJ rrices ver.Ton at 8. d, Alt I% th. the : - 01,4 Byass's Bebside West Hartley . . lb 0 Davison's West Hart -15 0 ley alker Primrose 11 3 Carway and Duffryn Anthr'tcite Carway and Duffryn Malting , 22 0 Ships at ntarkei Walls End nett on 17 n A,uth Hetton l7 A' 11 eugh l5 " 4 South Hartlepool 15 Russel's Hetton l5 6 l‘elloe , •16 g Hart1ep001........... 16 6 don Main ........... 1 ;t.26; sold. 22. Foreign Mail Packet List. MAILS DL. E. A. ur.ralia and Mauritius, v ia Southampton. Mar. al.. via Marseilles Mar. 19. Jrazil and Cape Verds, by British pacYcat. Apr. 6 Cape of Good Hope, Ascension, and St. Helena, Apr. 1. 1• China, Penang, and Singapore, via Southampton. Mar. 21' via Marseilles Mar. "' Falkland Islands ......... Apr. 6. Gibraltar, via Southampton Mar. 11 't India (Calcutta), an d Ceylon, via Southampton Mar. 4. M ar. 16. India (Bombay), via Southampton Mar. 1 0 ' via Marseilles Mar. 21 Portugal.... Apr. 6 , 2 M a lt a , Egypt, and Aden, via Southampton Man 1/ via Marseilles Mar. 10' Newfoundland Oporto and Vigo U. S. and British N. America, by Brit. packet ....Mar. 18' by U.S. packet.... i s,. by Canadian packet. M ar. W.C. of Africa, Madeira, and Teneriffe Mar. Bahamas, via New York Apr. 9 . Mexico •• • Mar- 31. All parts of West Indies, including Chili, I'eru, I m ar , 16. California, and British Columbia. HOW TO DO IT.—To be a woman of fasoi ogis one of the easiest things in the world. A la' e writer 0 1 ' 1 : d es cribes it :—" Buy everything you don't want, p a l di n othing you buy ; smile on all mankind but your husloo`, be happy everywhere but at home ; hate the coun tr y ; aci°fo Paris; neglect your children; nurse a lapdog; and go - church every time you get a new shawl." tIP (ADVERTISEMENT.] —Holloway ' s Pills.—Bodily —Nothing cm be more worthy of our earn st than the maintenance of our health. These purifying is e i taken occasionally in moderate dose s, thol nugbly ark from the system all noxious matters which have g ained re mission from the food, air, or other sources. Hollov/O'n pills are best the remedies for a weak, foul, or i rr itable F t f o t, mich, which they effectually cleanse and send, r fit to io any aliment satisfactorily. They likewise ex-rt correctlo power over the liver and kidney s, and are the best doWed tic aperient hitherto known. All afflicted with tempor3ii. or confirmed ill health may turn to these pills with the o ,` ) if soling reflection that they will give ease and s trengths they cannot perman( ntly cure, Births. OLDFTELD.—On the 12th inst., at nolehester, the wif e Captain Oldfield, sth Fusiliers, of a daughter. ir e, POLE,—On the 11th inst., at Radbourne Hall , DerbyA the Lady Anne Chandos Pole, of a daughter. REUTER.—On the 11th inst., at 19, Finsbury-square , Reuter, of a son. re WILKINsoN.—On the 12th inst., at Field House, Belk' Derbyshire, Mrs. C. Wilkinson, of a daughter. Marriages. PRICE—POWER.—On the 11th inst., at Weston, T 3 t r a Li e utenant-Colonel P. S. Price, of Beauheu, to C''', l o Elizabeth Murray, eldest daughter of the late Tyr °- Power, Eq. WALFORD— s T go ursox.—On the 12th inst., at l Church, Tunbridge-wel ls, Mr E. V . Walford, of e ' St. Paul's-churchy ard, and The Common, ijxbri(f4/: to Susan, second daughter of H. Thompson, Esq./ ° Calverley-terrace, Tunbridge-wells. Deaths. thollth inst., at his residence , BritLa o stt G ei , r ge Faithful ) , E 6 q., formerly M.P. for Briga• aged 73. A i to 9 H IL L.—On the 11th inst., John Hill, Esq., of Hall, aged 89. ' Morr.--On the 12th inst., Th omas M o tt, E s q., of TO ham-green, aged 66. • Ad 1331 PHILOTT.—On the 11th inst.. at 39, Hans-place, - G. C. Rodney Philott, aged 81. -013 s TAYLOR.—On the 12th i ns t., a t Brentwood, Essex, - Taylor, Esq., Prof es sor of Music in Gresham Col' London, agLd 79. 14;04 4 WILMORE.—On the 12th inst., J. T. Wilmore, • London : Printed and Published by WILLIAM AND. - 11 1, of No. 112, Strand, Printer, at THE SUN Office, Of Coa uti Strand, in the Precinct of the Savoy , in th e Middlesex.—Saturday, March 14, 1803. MIDDLESEX SESSIONS, March 13. (Before the Assistant judge.) John James Davey and Sarah Davey were in dicted for keeping a disorderly house, in Queen- street, Golden-square. Mr. Metcalfe, instructed by the parochial autho rities, prosecuted ; Mr. Palmer appeared for the defendants. Several witnesses, and amongst them the inhabi tants of the neighbourhood, were called, and they said that the house kept by the defendants was a complete nuisance to the street, so much so that per sons in the neighbourhood were unable to let their lodgings, and no respectable person would come into them. After a long investigation, the jury found a verdict of Guilty against both defendants. The Assistant-Judge ordered them to come up for judgment next session. (Before Mr. Payne.) Thomas Shillingford Shaw, 45, was indicted for fraudulently obtaining by false pretences the sum of £lO, the moneys of the trustees of the Lisson grove Loan Society, with intent to defraud. Mr. Brandt prosecuted ; Mr. lioldsworth de fended the prisoner. In this case the very lengthy evidence disclosed the fact that the prisoner had been in the habit of going to different loan offices throughout the metro polis, and, evidently in conjunction with other parties, had carried on fraud upon loan officers to a considerable extent. One of these eases may be taken as a fair example of the whole. James Kelly, of No. 3, Omega -terrace, Alpha road, Paddington, said he was the director of the Lisson grove Loan Society, and it was the practice of the society for those persons who intended to become borrowers to fill up a printed form, stating the nature of the loan required, his own name and address, and the names and addresses of the per sons offered as sureties for the loan. On the 28th of October, 1862, he presented a paper, properly filled up, and he signed his name " Thos. Sh tw, 42, Grove road, plumber and house painter." He mentioned the name of " Charles Anslow, of No. 11, Weetborne P..rk-terrace, Har row-road, design.-r," and "Charles Ashman, of No, 4, Brecknock-tat race, Camden-coad-vAlas, en• graver," as his sureties. He borrowed £lO, and witness was present when the amount was paid to him. He made inquiries respecting the sureties. Mi.. Ashman showed him receipts for rent and taxes for four years ; acd he also applied to Mr. Anslow, both statements being considered satisfactory. The prisoner only paid two instalments and from further inquiries he found he was deceived respecting the sureties. When the third instalment became due the prisoner and his sureties were written to, but they were not to be found, and all the letters were returned. The prisoner went in a similar manner to the fol lowing other loan offices, and obtained various amounts, but occasionally varying the names of the persons whom he offered as sureties : rbe Friendly Deposit and Loan Society, held at the Carpenters Antis, Adam-street West; from this society he ob tained £l5. The North Marylebone Friends 01 Labour Loan Society were appeated to; but from information obtained the required loan was refused. The Royal Loan Society, Cumberland-market; from this society he obtained £l2. The Friends of La bour Loan Society, Old Cnurch-street, Edgware road; from this society he obtained £4. The Lon don anu Westminster Industrial Loan Association, Bow-street,Long.acre ; fromthis society he obtained £l6. The Regent Investment Company, Regent street, Westminster, were also applied to, bnt in this instance the loon was refused. The Victoria Mutual Aid Loan Society ; from this society he obtained £l5 under the name of Thomas Seeger. 'the Indepen dent Friends of Labour Loan Society, West Bromp ton • from this society he obtained £ lO in the name of Thomas Shellingford. The Tradesmen'oDiscount Society, held at No. 3 6 , New-street, St. J.ohn' t h s e - wood ; from this society he obtained Zll name of Humby. The Model Investment this and Advance Company, St. John s - wo od ; Investment society he obtained £2O in the name of Thomas Humby, but there w as a difference in this ease, as the prisoner had formerly obtained from the society a loan of £lO, which he paid, and