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cent case, for it declared that to employ money for pur poses for which it was not voted, was a misapplication of the public money. There was also in 1727, a Protest on the Journals of, the Lords, couched in eneigetic and con stitutional language, and directed against the Bill of Aids, which might be well consulted us a precedent Now he was one of those who did not think that such resolutions u he bad alluded to consisted of the mere pompous sound Of words. He thought they inculcated pr.nciples whisk ought to be dear in the estimation of the House, and be Was convinced the liberties of the people would not long survive if they neglected to tnaintain that high tone,— (Cheers.)—lle had now, as succinctly and expliciey A a he could, opened the c4se respecting this sur plus money that was unaccounted fur, and would conclude with the resolution which he begged to read to the House. The Hon. Member then moved a resolu tion, detailing the facts touching the Four and a Half per Cent. Duties, embodied in his speech, and reciting the substance of the Appropriation Act, and the Act 6th of Geo. IV., declaring thst the surplus of the years 1829 and 1880 had not been appropriated to deflay' the ex pellees of the West Indian Church Establishment, and re mained unaccounted for, and that Ministers deserved the condemnation of that House. The .CHANCELLOIt of the EXCHEQUER, after stating that it was not without pain that he heard of the Hon. Baronet's intention to bring the subject again under discussion that evening, said it was not'llie intention to follow the lion. Baronet through the' vast field of argu ment on which he hail thought proper to enter, fer the purpose of illustrating a matter which lay within very narrow limits. The Hon. Baronet had expatiated on a variety of other topics with which the subject was moat particularly connected ; and he thought that he should not misinterpret his object, if he supposed that—feeling how weak his case was upon the particular subject-..how triumphantly the argument respecting the legality of the proceeding had been met, and how promptly a remedy had been applied to what it was confessed required remedy —he (Sir J. G.) was anxious to excite the feelings, and secure the votes of - those arnund him, by adverting to a variety of other topics which were sure to meet with a favourable reception. He would nut, however, follow him in this. He would not consider with him whether the Government was competent to apply those Four and a Half per tent. duties, or not. lie would not discuss the Regency question. lie would not enter upon the Civil Liit :or the Privileges of Parliament, nor would =he treat upon, the several minor subjects of embellish ment which had -been introduced—the bridge of Lon , donderry--•or something which the Hon. Baronet had heard in a Committee up stairs about Windsor Castle. He would not follow the lion. Gentleman through these matters. The question before the I-louse was with re ference to the appropriation of the funds that had arisen from the 4f per cent. duties. He had thought that there would have been ead of the discussions on this question, when the lion. Baronet himself admitted that the course pursued by the Government with respect to levying these duties was legal. The Hon. Baronet did not attempt to deny that. lie admitted that thew sugars i were not subject to duty, and this accusation was strangely enough founded on the circumstance that they might have been free front duty. That question had been discussed on a former occasion, and when that opinion had been given, as given it was, no lawyer present had dissented ' from it ; so that, whatever had been done, though it might be the subject of the lion. Baronet's animadversions, ' wes at least not in violation of law. The principle, , how ever, was thought by the Goverment to require some ', remedy, and it had been the intention of the individual who then addremed them, to introduce a Bill with provisions to take away these privileges (tom the . property belonging to the Crown in all those cases in which that property would afterwards be so' 'yet J. the payment of duty. The lion. Baronet had @tented to say that he did riot think that the pledge which had been given on this subject had been redeemed, or that the intention before referred to had been fulfilled. He must say that it was rather hard on him that the lion. Baronet should make such an accusation. A short time since the lion. Baronet had mentioned that be should submit this motion, and had asked when it was the intention of the Government to introduce the measure for putting an end to this especial privilege of the pro perty of the Crown. Ile (the Chancellor of the Exchequer ) then answered that he .• was ready with the measure, and that the Bill was very . , short ; but he added that he believed it would be more convenient to introduce it as part of the amendment of the Customs Bill. The lion. Baronet would not deny this. On that conversation between them, the communication .. ended. Now be would ask the House whether there war, in any thing that bad occurred, any one circumstance that justified the Bon. Baronet in presuming that the assurance he had given would wit he fulfilled, or had there not rather ' be•ln an intimation on his part that the subject would be : fully conaidered, and that a mrasure was actually ready to give effect to the intentions he hail expressed? But, be. yon' this, had not his subsequent conduet been such es to ' fortify the opinion that such a measure woultisi intro.' spiced ? No sooner had it been aittertained ilia, Miring to a l thlalt lamentable occurrence, the duration of Parlia ment was not likely to be prolonged, and that the Cost** Amendment Bill was therefore not likely to receive a lengthened discussion, but would be; abandoned for the present-.-no , sooner were three circumstances made known, end the possibility of introducing that Bill no longer remained, than he gave notice of introducing a soprano Bill fur the purpose, and that Bill was non: on ' the table; it would be read a first time to-night, and he ',• trusted* would he partied within this Session. So far , - then from having abandoned the pledge he had given, be ~ had, both in his private conversation with the lion. Ida most sad in his public conduct, shown his anxiety to fulfil it ; and before time Mouse separated this evening the ';• separate Bill he alluded to would be read a first time, and .• the Hon. Baronet himself would then see whether his se ; cusatien was well founded. The reel points in dispute ',; between hint and the Hon. Baronet were very short. The hat point was, whether the Treasury were justified in . exempting from the payment of duty time sugars imported :'' 'as Crown property from the West Indies? The second was, whether the proceeds of these sugars were correctly applied under the e rovisions of the Act of Parliament . made with respect to surplus revenue arising from them to be appropriated to the payment of the Ecelesiastical Establishments of time West India islands? Therm wore ~,: the short poiste of discostion between them, when divested of those circumstances with which the Hon. Baronet -i t - , bad ornamented theta. With. respect to the propriety of exempting these sugars . from the payment of do ties, that question. had been dispotted of by the pre- I :: vious ' discussions, aed would be finally put to rest ;meas ure by the which he was about to introduce. ,- On this part of the subject he would only advert to one . topic, which the Hots. Baronet had introduced as .;- 1111 aggravation of the offence of which be had complained. Time lion. Baronet had stated that the duty was taken from ',. the finest sort of sugar, from sugar of the hest quality, `:; which was the most desirable for the purposes of the re• P,, finer ner ; for that, though the l ong p r i ce which included the 111 duty was charg e d for it, the produce of that duty was not 4 4 accounted ed fur; while, on the other hand, the sugar was ex -1,;,. t porte d to f ore ign countries, and a drawback was paid on the exportation; so that not only the duty wits at first in effect remitted, but the drawback was afterwards charged, t'! and time public thereby suffered doubly. Now he believed that from the circumstances in which these sugars stood, 1 4 the Hon. Baronet would find, if he examined into the •:. subject, that he ought not to attribute so much value to j i . these sugars as to place them among those of the finest ii!; quality. The Hon. Baronet must knew full well that the ;f‘ duty which was collected was a duty of so many pounds is of oultsr in so limy hundred pounds of sugar—it was a 7 duty that was paid in kind. That circumstance might . A ; have suggested to him th a t t h e p ar ty h av i ng to pay the duty 7., would nut select su gars o f t l. e b est qua li ty on which to . p 4, make a payment of such a d escr ipti on . B u t l e t thealimok a little to the p rice which th a t sugar p ro duced in the market, end wh ich the Honourable Baronet was as corn , a petent to discover as he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) ill could be, far th e H onoura bl e Baronet had - before him 1 the gross amount of the sales of there sugar., and the ..,‘, prices which they fetched ; if the Hon. Baronet would f.r t take th e trou bl e o f look i ng into th e amount which t h ese aZ su gars . fetched in the market, ,he would fi nd that their sale F IT'. was w.., being one shilling under time average price , ~!. of sugars. of the first quality at the present moment. — Instead, therefore, of these sugars being of the finest and pi, most superior quality, they were of a subordinate quality 1 - , and he was fully justified in asserting' that sugars of that price were not equal in quality to the (meet of those which came into this market. Hav ing said so much with ii, re spect to the former p ar t o f t h e argument o f t h e H on . Ilmt roust, he would now come to the munition of the appro. :. priati on o f d ut i es . On that paint the Hon. Baronet had t, fallen i nto an error from comparing accouuts made up in i.,- two different years. The lion. Baronet had stated, that in the year 1828 these sugars, when sold, produced a re -I,t turn of sixty-six thousand pounds ti t the whole amount ;Fir a pensions secured upon the m we - 1142700 s and that he c was informed time balan ce l e ft in the hands of the Govern ? •:. meat, after all deductions made, was above 22,0001. ~, a'.. But the Hon. Baronet was wrong in making this calettla it' for lli Lion, h e tat ta ken an account which hail beets made aa, ~, f , out in January, wher eas t h e account of these P ar• .„ . . - twofer sugars was not mad e up till July. Time ac counts were ordered up to the end of April, and these sugars Were not brought under the account till a .„ ._ later period. The re:,l circumstances were what 1, ) , , had already stated—he bad -no wish to conceal one of them—the ease did not require it, and if it did, he would not attempt concealment, for lie knew it tittist hi in vain to do an. The aUgara of 1898 were not received until some time in the following year, namely, Watt July, 1829, and that being the period to which the ac counts were made up, it was found that the revenue would amount to 7,2001., and that sum was at once directed to be appropriated in the manner stated in the account. That surplus remained in the Bank of Englatid, an was there retained to be appropriated to making payment• +Alai would f4ll due before the sugars then on hand mild be brought to sale, and the proceeds of that year's sale had not yet been reali s ed. The Hon. Baronet himself' would be able to are, by the returns to which he had referred, that the produce of these sales had not yet been received, and that the amount of them had been given as part of the eatimited receipts up to' the 9th of July, but that the balance had not in reality been paid into the Bank of Eng land, and was not yet available for the purposes of paying the expenses of the eeelesiastiCal establishment to which ii Would afterwards be applicable. But so far was it from the intention of Government not to apply the surplus to the payment of the salaries of the Bishops in the Wee! Indies, that the only Treasury minute which had given the sanction for the collection of those duties, directed their appropriation to that purpose when obtained; and after the sth of July, when that surplus would be available, it would be appropriated, not in payment 01 these siderite directly, but in the first instance would he paid into the Consolidated Fund, to be then appropriated 'according to the statute. This was the plain and simple, statement of the case. In the first year 7,2007. had been the amount of the surplus_that had been kept till the subsequent receipts could be brought into the account, when, the whole would be appropriated to relieve the Con solidated Fund from those charges to which it was now liable for the payment of these salaries. He colds" not bring himself to believe that the House would think this a proceeding which, either in matter or manner, was one that deserved the 'severe censure that the Hon. 13 tweet had cast upon those who were parties to the transaction. As far as he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) was con cerned—much as lie valued the lion. Baronet's favourable opinion, and that of the House on all subjects, be was sore than ever anxious to possess it en this subject • and he should most str on gly f ee l arty suspicion that he had done any-thing that deserved the imputation of having made a pledge which he had not afterwards fulfilled. The satisfaction of a man's own mind was the best reward he could secure to himself ; and be must declare, that, on this occasion, be did not feel he had done any thing to forfeit that satisfaction.--(blear, bear.) Mr.• HUME said that the House were much indebted to the Hon. Baronet for following up this question as he had done, till he had brought it to this issue.—(Hear.) Mr. HUSKISSON observed, that in his opinion, the question to Sir Charles Wetherell as to the right of the Crown to pass there sugars without the payment of duty was most unnecessary and absurd, for there could be no doubt whatever as to that privilege. The only question was as to the discretion of exercising it. He complained of the observations made with regard to the Treasury Minute, and he could assure the House, that had that Mi nute been of the nature described, he would, as one of the responsible advisers of the Crown, have protested against it. lie'hati known that the fund was encumbered—the charge upon it was permanent; and the fund itself was fluctuating—such 4 fund, with such a charge, was fre quently eneumbered—this had been so on a former neer don, and in 1787, Mr. Pitt had done something to oh viate the inconvenience felt in that year, for lie came down to the House with a statement that whereas that fund was charged with a' sum of 9,000/. payable to the Duke of Gloucester, and was incapable of discharging that claim, he moved that the claim should be transferred to the Consolidated Fund, and it was done accordingly. This question of exemption had Often been mooted, and as often set eside—not on the ground that the right itself was doubtful, but that there were doubts as to the pro priety of exercising ir. The Consolidates' Fund was now worse, by a sum of 50,0001., than it would have been if this eystem hail not been pursued. In the two last years the receipts on these duties had been 128,0001., the charges within the same time were 84,0001:, but the dif ference did not appear accounted for in any return made to Parliament; and when the Hon. Baronet saw the amount of these receipts and these charges it was Endure' for hint or any one else to say, that that account, the opinion of the Attorney-General, and time declarations of Minietets themselves, all tended to show that that fund was not ap propriated as it ought to have been. Still there was room to show that the fund had been appropriated consistently with the provisions of the Statute of the late King. Some explanation ought to be given to show bow the rued hail been appropriated to the payment of these charges—whe ther the receipts of each year had been applied to that year, or whether the - gross receipt had been applied at the end of 1 two or More years in payment of the first dementla on the fund. Hu thought that after the Atha of July the Douse I ought to be informed wind had been the surplus for the lest three years. Nobody supposed that there was any de , sire to conceal these matters from the House, but et lb the nature of the subject required that this information should be most explicitly given. After the repeated declarations bf the Government that the system of dealing with a public fund should not continue, he thought they were bound to ask for a Legislative enactment to prevent it in future. It was not now a misapplication of the public money ; but at a future time, and with a different Ministry, that misBP plieation might be made, and the country might be made to suffer for the present neglect of Pat liameut. Sir it. PEEL said, that the question appeared to him perfectly chit.. lf; however, any Hon. Member doubted as to the appropriation of this fuud, let hills move for the account, and he (Sir It, Peel) would second the motion. I There bad been nu misappropriation of the money, but it was right that Parliament should have the returns, and he promised they should be - furnished. His Right Hon. Friend had said, that within the two last years the re ceipts had been 128,0001. That would be their amount, but in fact it had not yet been received; for that a long credit had been given, and the moneY , was not at presort paid. From the auto thus stated, 01,0149/. ought to be deducted. So far as the question of appropriation of this fund WAS concerned, there was no great ground fur cen sure. The charges on this fund were regulated by law and by the sale of sugars, the produce of which went to the Consolidated Fund. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the accounts now before the House represented the Icharges of the ecclesiastical establislurient as paid out of the Consolidated Fund, but the prOduce of the sales of the sugars went to provide for those charges. PEEL continued—With respect to the other 'question—whether it was right or not to import the pro. duce of the Crown lands in these colonies without the payment of duty 2—he had som e r i g ht t o comp l a i n o f t h e manner in which it had been treated. It was at least ft fortnight since the Chancellor of the Exchequer had called on him with the Bill, which had been prepared to fulfil the promise of making a legislative enactment to restore the fund arising tram the payment of these duties to their original destination. The circumstance's that had occurred in the interval Might surely account fur some little delay ; and when he read to the House the list of those matter.- which he should abandon, and those which he should con tinue in the previa state of the Session, the sole reason why he did not name this Bill was, that it had been ecci• dentally omitted from his list. The 11+.n. Baronet must do him the jUstice to say t h at they had had a communication together on Monday, the 4th of June, when, on being Asked what the Government intended to do, he said that he, intended to bring in a Bill to compel the payment of these duties to the fund to which they were at first appropriated. Alter this declaration he did not expect to have been met by a hostile motion of this tort; and he thought the lion. ,baronet should have ascertained from him, by a private communication, whether the Government had abandoned their intention, before he brought forward such a motion. Had that been done, he would have assured the lion. Baronet that the Government had no intention to leave their rumble unredeemed ; but a Minister was in&ed placed in .au unpleasant situation, if, after a private comtnunica-• tion, with an understanding, that it had been fully satis. factory. there should still be a public hostile proceeding. It would be infinitely better to withhold all private com munication, than that, after it had taken place, such a motion as the present Jambi still be persevered in. lie did think that its this instance the lion. Baronet had been wanting in his general courtesy, and he appealed to the House whether, alter this explanation, it wee pusaihle to way that the Government still deserved censure for their conduct? Mr. HUSKISSON, iu justice to the Right nom Ba ronet, felt bound to observe, that he Millibar had been misled by the appearance of time fund being appropriated in A veer different manner from that provided for by the Act of Parliament. Sir J. GRAHAM wished to stead well in the opinio n of the Right lion. Baronet , alstill o m m o t re a i n n y t o h n a e t t o h f on tl i t i e t House ; and be should much r eg ret believe he had failed its any degree In that courtesy which was so necessary to the proper conduct of all lusinese.l k l : was indeed unfortunate if he had not been a ble m to ma the Right lion. Gentleman understand that it was by th, new facts which had c Erne to his knowledge singe tie communication leetweeu them, that he had been led to consider the whole eireumetances as changed, and fi. bring forward the present motion. This alteration had been pioduced in his mho! by the return he hid moved for t and the Right Hon. -Gentleman hiving truly 'stated that their communication took place on the 4th of June, would seeithat, as the retort; wasdated,on the 2 lilt, it must have been subatquent to their communication. At the former period he was not cognizant of those facts on which he rested the vindication of this motion. As to the Bill intended to have been brought in, when he saw that abandoned, he objected to the introduction of the measure as a mere clause in the amendment of the Customs end when the Right Hon. Gentleman talked of having given notice of the Bill now about to he intro.. /limed, he mnst in candour admit that that notice was given after the present motion had been put upon the book. Sir ROBERT PEEL gave his word.of honour that tilt! Bill had been 'Hewed one ; fortnight age, and had been shown to the Attorney-General in order to have his opinion on some of its clauses. That, looked like a wish to redeem their pledge. Sir JAMES GRAHAM asked whether the Right Hon. Gentlemen's ,assurance to him hod not been: given sub. iegnently to ,the preparation of the former, Bill, anti before the abandonment of the Customs Amendment Hill? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER answered in the affirmative. Mr. MABERLY was glad to find that no censure could be fairly fixed on the Government. Sir C. WE niERELL was tiallerstuoil to defend the legal opinion he had given on the subject. Sir .1 GRAHAM said that after the explanation given he should withdraw his motion. VOTE OF CREDIT. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved that the House resolve itself into a Committee, to con• rider further the Supply to be granted to his Majesty. On the question that the Speaker leave the Chair, Lord 'AI:THORP said that as this motion was the first step towards passing over some of the most important business of the Session, which could not be done, in his opinion, without great detriment to the public service, he f e lt it hi s duty to enter his strong protest against the pro ceeding. The vote to be proposed was intended to tate, the dissolution of Parliament, before it entered upon the questions of the. Civil List and the Regency. Not withstanding the great labour Hon. Member. had under- Rene during the last fi ve months, it was the intention of Governmeut, at, once and entirely, to defeat the whole effect of that labour. lie had nut been convinced by what be had beard on a former night; nod he was oath fled that Parliament would run a needless hazard by post poning the two great subjects to which he had referred. Ile did not intend to give the House the trouble of divid ing, hut he begged to enter his solemn protest. The SPILANTIL then left the Chair, and the House went into the Committee of Supply. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose in order to propose the grant of a sum on account of the votes on which the House hail not expressed an opinion, and also of a sum necessary for the payment of other charges to be incurred before the date when the House could be re-assembled. The first point to which be should direct the attention of the Committee would be analogous to the proceeding on the demise of George 111. and the measuree then adopted to facilitate business. On the de. raise of the Crown there were certain claimants both upon the Consolidated Fund and the Civil List, for which no distinct provision was made; and for the convenience of the public service he proposed to take 200,000/., being the sum voted for the like purposes on the death of George 111. As to all the other votes, it was his intention, with only one exception, to take a certain amount upon account. That exception applied to the disembodied militia, re garding which a Bill must he introduced, and he appre hended that no objection would be taken, inasmuch as time auto to be required bad been previously ssnctioned by a Committee. It was convenient to the poplin service that that vote should , he passed without deduction. As to the other votes, lion. Members would he aware that at this period of the year a considerable portion of the expenee must necessarily have been incurred. That amount it would be indispensible to provide, or time greatest incon veniences might arise from the Treasury not being in possession of the requisite funds.—(lleer, hear.)-- The provision he should suggest beyond that amount would be, to cover the expenditure of three months, making the whole equivalent to the payments for nine months of the year. Ile preferred this course, because it would, in no respect preclude the amplest discus sion hereafter of each separate vote on the re-assembling of Parliament ; the discussion might then be undertaken, if not under circumstances more than usually Adm. .tageotts, et least equally advantageous. Although it was his intention to submit one geueral vote, he should think it right, that in the Act of Appropriation a specific clause should be iutroduced to prevent the application of money intended by Parliament for one purpose to any other, so that no more thest the due proportion could he devoted to each breach of the service. The House would this have the means of examining and debating every distinct item. Having thus stated the principle on which he proposed to expedite public business, be should merely move the vote, declaring his readiness to affard any other information un the subject that might be required. Ile Inovell—" That a sum of 200,0001. be granted to his Majesty, towards satisfying such annuities, pensions, amid other payments, its would have been payable-out of time Consolidated Fund of Great Britain and Ireleud, or out of the Civil List, in case the demise of hit late Majesty had sot taken place, before the 10th of October, 1080." The question having been put, Mr. HUME, taking it for grunted th e H ouse h ad re wired that the course proposed by Ali n i sters should be !mega, had no hesitation in admitting that the plan of taking money upon account was most likely to secure hereafter a fair consideration of the remaining estimatee. Ile begged it to be clearly understood that be did not con cur in the vote from confidence in blinietere, and that be should be perfectly consistent it' in the next Parliament, should be have the good fortune to enjoy a seat in it, he resisted the votes fur what he was now, under the cir cumstances, willing to grant—money on account. When he recollected that it was the prerogative of the King to dismiss Parliament whenever he pleased, and that it bad already been determined by two majorities, though not that what was recommended was the fit course to be pursued, he Could not expect, even if be wished it now, to bring on the discussion of the remain ing estimates. He certainly highly disapproved of many of the decisions to which the House had come regarding die public expenditure, but he struck the balance of good and evil, by placing on the other side of the sheet the grant of Catholic Emancipation and relief t o t h e Dissenters. If the Noble Duke were to remain at the head of the Government, be hoped that a new Parliament would meet with a determination to exact from Miaisters the effectual reductions which the state of the country d e . mantled ; and he should take as a test of the disposition of those Ministers the amount of Civil. List they required. lie trusted, before the House separated, it would order such returns to be made as would give the fullest information on the subject, and that the reports of 1812 and 1815 would be duly weighed and examined. Ile also trust e d that a statement would lie produced of the expenditure of the Civil List, from 1790 to 1796, and fur the years 1815 and 1810, in order that a just comparison might be made. He wss willing in settling the Civil List to pro. vide liberally for the maintenance of his Majesty; he wished to withhold nothing that was necessary for the comfort and even for the splendour of the Crown ; but he would prevent all needless extravagance. From the cha racter of his present Majesty, the country bed a right to expect that be would not call upon it for more than was necessary fur the due support of the Royal dignity. When ever the time for Inquiry into thie subject might come, it was absolutely necessary to get rid of the prevailing com plexity of aecounts. Nevertheless, as they at present exited, they afforded some useful information, and a return for which he had moved at the opening of the last reign *hawed that during the reign of George 111. nu less than 12,705,4611. had come into the possession of the Crown from the Droits of Admiralty, the 4i per cent. duties, the Scotch revenue, and other sources beyond the controul or cognizance of Parliament. Every shilling of this enormous sum ought to have been placed in the public pure ; anti the Hon. Member particularly urged the impolicy of the system with regard to the Scotch Revenue, under which, favouritism and corruption had been lung encouraged. He referred to what had been said on a former night respect ing the freeing of the Civil List from the anomenell at Pro sent existing in it; for instance, he could not conceive why the Speaker of the House of Commons should be paid partly out of that fund, etsd partly out of wine other. The . esme remark would apply to the solaria of the Judge* ,- The diplotnotic service was not the least expensive este. bliehment couneeted with the Civil List, and be hope , ' that , in future it would be placed under the maim' of Parlia ment. He entreated attention to another item---the Pitt. aeon List. There was no , branch of th e public ratio v* strongly and so justly disapproved of lithe public as the enormous amount of the Pension List. When they s4' -95,000/. of the English Civil List, 50,0001. of the Irish Civil List, and 26,000/. of the Scotch Civil List, taken film the controul of Parliament, it was rettsunable that they should be dissatisfied. He saw no reason why all: distinction between the Civil Lists of the three kingdom' should not be done away with, and confined solely to the King's household, while alt the expences relating to Scot- I end and Ireland ought to be eimplified, And annually laid adore . the House of ennunntw. If, on the meeting of a new Pediment, Ministers should not be found disposed to trench all Unnecessary expenditure, notwithstanding the reluctance they had shown of late year to interfere, he hoped that the .Representatives of the people, in obedience to the wi-bes of the people, would compel the servants of the Crown to pursue a more economical course, and to adopt 'measures calculated upon a scale adapted to the present condition of the country.. To- one point ho, especially intreated the Right Hon. Gentleman (Sir It. Peel) to attend. No abuses had been so great us those connect:Li with the 41 per cent. duties; upwards of tij ! millions had been received since the enactment of those duties. He never could understand why the House had voted against the motion be had brought for ward, for an account of the English pension list—( Here. the Hon. Member was temporarily interrupted.)-,—Per— hope what he was saying might not be well timed; but if he lest that opportunity of stating his opinion, as soon as the supplies were voted, there would he but little chance of another. He maintained that!the House ought not td grant .the Civil ;List, until the dfper cents. r and other• funds were taken from the power of the Crown, and placed under the cnntroul of the Houscrof Commons. A new Parliament ought also to set at -rest the question of Droits of Admiralty; for it was a strange regulation, that the Sovereign, who had the right to declare war, should be. ntitled to a share of the plunder ; although it .was not fur a moment to be supposed that such a motive had any influence, it was an objection that it was liable to the sus picion. it was impossible not to perceive, that the collection - of the Droiti was sometimes attended with the most grievous injustice ;- and the lion. Member illustrated this position,- by referring to the last war with Denmark, when English subjects, whose property had been confiscated in Denmark, were not compensated tiut of the property of Danish subjects, whose goods had been seized in England. He also adverted to the collection of the revenue* of Gibraltar; and complained, that while this country was called upon to pay all the expellees of the possession of that fortress, the revenues, which the King had the right to raise as he pleased by new taxed, were sent to England to be appropriated to the purposes of the Crown, without controul or responsibility. After again enforcing the necessity of simplifying the public accounts, he expressed his hope that Ministers would meet the new Parliament with every disposition to attend to the reason able wishes of the people; if they showed only an incli nation toward* relief, by retrenchment of the public ex penditure, they might sat at defiance all fears that the House would outvote them, and be mitered all their anxious maturuvres to secure majorities. Mr. LENNARD observed, that it was his intention to withdraw his motion standing on the book regarding Civil Contingencies, iu hopes that he should, be able to refer the whole subject to a Committee next year. He called the at tention of the House, to the reason assigned by Mr. Pitt .for the increase of the Civil List, via. 'that it was neces sary, in order to. meet the depreciation in the value of money at that time. The same reason at the present mo ment would warrant the reduction of the Civil List to the sum at which it was fixed befiwe the increase. The Hon. Member fully.concurred in all that hai been said by the last speaker regarding the complexity of the public ac counts, and stated that he was prepared to show, that tinder the head of Ambassadors there had been an appalling increase of expence. The next Resolution was, " That a sum of 200,00(4, be granted to his Majesty, to satisfy the Annuities and other, Clahns upon the Consolidated Fund to the bth of ()ember next."—Agreed to. The question was then put, "That a stun of 1,126.6811. be granted to his Majesty, to defray the expellees of the Irish Miscellaneous Services, the Army Extraordinaries, the Commis/4.46a, the Civil Contingencies, and the Re pairs of Windsor Castle for nine months of the year ISM" Mr. SPRING RICE objected to the mixing up of al many matters in one vote, which had no natural cinmee lion. The House might fed that it would be highly in. expedient to vote a certain amount for one of those par prism and yet in no respect o!ljeetioattlde to agree to the sum proposed for' another. One Hon. Member, might wish to submit observations upon one eubject—nnoteer upon quite a diflereut topic; it was obviously Meow/oil; rot, and wore the appearance of unfjirmiss, thus to mingle in a confused mase so many uneonnected and'di.- cordant questions. Ile begged to assure the Right lion. Gentleman opposite, that be wished not to bring forward any captious objections, but when be recollected the period of the Session at which these votes were brought forward—when be remembered the circumstances of the country, and the history of the establishments, and the system which these votes were intended to maintain, he could" not refrain - from offering to the House a few observations. In the first place, the Com mittee which sat above stairs upon the subject of beida affairs recommended that all the miscellaneous eatinistes for Ireland should he brought ferwerd upon the responsi bility of the Treasury in 'this country, ate a matter of no tional expenditure, and not be brought forward as a mutter of Irish policy, by and upon the respousibility alone of the Irish Secretary—that was a recomineedution at once ap proved and neglected. It war not from any want of con edeeee i l l the Noble Lord opposite that he made that de servatioo, hut from a lenowledge of the difficulties by which any one holding his simation war surrounded--the spirit of Irish jobbing suet him everywhere. The mo ment Clot Irish Secretary waived at the Castle, he was surrounded with all the pensioners, plan:men, and sine. curists, who hail an interest is maintaining these estimates at an elevated point, and in prevailing upon the Govern. went to abandon the recommendations of the Committee. For that reason then, as well OS for taw* nut lees co. gent, be wished rather to ace the matter in the hands of public functionarioe at t h is side of the water, than at the other ; and for proof that he was not making this &serves, dos on insufficient grounds,,he would appeal to the Right lion. Gentlemen who eat at each side of his Noble Friend, both of whom had bees Secrets' lee in Irelan d . It h a d often been urged by Honourable Membere representing places in England, that Ireland was an expellee to this country. Now the hue mode of getting rid ef, or at least diminishing that ex pence, would be to reduce the e•tiamites for establishments in that country ; and he therefore ap pealed for support to the Eirglish Members whom be saw around him. Of this they might rest matured, that if they yielded to the advice which recommended them to leave those establishments to expire of their own accord, they would never live to witness that expiration. Nothing could he more gross or unblushing than the Wahl prac tised respecting a pa r ticular class of establishments in Ire. laud--he meant the Charter Schools ; there the romance of renewed youth appeared to be brought into real life and actual praetice; for in those places children were found to grow younger and younger every year ; the sumo parties which, in a certaiu year, bad one ago placed oppo site to their names in returns, in the succeeding year were found to be younger by a year and some months. For the remedy of this and other evils of a like character in those establishments, he would suggest the appointment of a Board of Commissioners to institute a strict inquiry into the nature anti extent of the existing Awe". He saw that his Right Hon. Friend the Chancellor of the. Exchequer Was opposed to that suggestiou ; but he begged to assure him, and the Howe, that nothing could be further from hie intention then to recomuwnd thurappolotment eta paid Board. .The next subject to which he should call their attention Was alma of much importance..-that of education in Ireland, Year after year he had made suggestions on that cuhjeet, and always without effect ; for, year after year, the Government, in each instance in which he pressed the subject upon their cousideration, asked for time to ma. tore and arrange their plans : et one titne there was new Government, at another there was some other cue and so they went on •from year to year, promising much and doing little—nothing was done but the voting of pub lic money. On every occasion Government said they would either adopt the recommenilatioto that cream frum his side of the House, or bring forward some plan of their own, or ask for. no more of the paddler money; but the House nowt be fully aware that matters appeeted to he as fee from improvement as ever. The etluestilin deft was given was an education not calculated to inspire Irindncss or brotherly love, but one of very opposite: tendencies, it Was a system, too, by which education wee given to those who had little wed of it, and denied to dower by le whoa, the o m t int. would vi w itil a oegi n isijill t u.ttos o utift f litittil l ime t tv t li V tl a wit st gu f ee l y Afloe f r e m l tip.,eubr s (01 ‘ , : lu a l e s cit4 s ti.. l l l: l , then, that in I►gland ought to be withdrawn altogether, or else Government plan which should---riot give tads. fiction to all men, for that would be imprectleableund ra sher:try...hut ahould meet the wishes and eXpeetations of would w i se, u,ouki a , ml pr i o n in j ap r a i r y tia r l a i o u g in of every data, anal, & 4bove all thi ngs , prevent the public money Irons being longer given Si) particular classes—from being longer used to excite th ose psi ty feelings which the groat *weenie of lust year d uh" tend to allay. Some daises plan oug ht, i n di s p u t a bly, Co he tolorl4di god avid) sumo blight modifi ca tio ns , h e th o u g ht it better probably not be devised than that recommended in the Report of the Committee of whiCh lie was Chairman. The Hon. Gentleman then proceeded to notice the amount paid to Lish neweraptire fir prod amis. dons. Ho said it was a vote Ai illjUlloll3 tie the clotritenT of t h e press eta the proposal respeetiog Irish rtswspeper Stamp Duties would be sure to prove iejorious tat their circulatiou. Ile next objected to the expellee of teeititaios ing what was calla! the Irish 011 ice in London--it w.te source of expeuce and delay, without any correspoodelit "vantage—it was &feuded only nu the ground of it' hieing - - - made available for the purpose. of see -ntg n supply of the various papers that might be moved for in Parliament ; yet what was the fact ? There wto no source., tram which Parliamentary infUrtnitiou teas deriVell ulcer so much de lay as from the Mob Office. The expenuee attendant upon the publicetion of anc;eet teeords Was also another ground of complaint; it Was eats umely desirahle that the aarient history of the country *both! receive all practicahle illue tration, but be thought that alkit!i:t.w,a4 nut l'artvarded in a manner creditable to the Commissionere, by the publica• tion of extracts from the " Memoirs of Captain Hoch," ' and a pamphlet attributed to the Rieht lion. Member :of that House, entitled, " A View of Ireland, Past and Present." There was another channel into whirl, the Public money was, us he conceived, num improperly di reeted—he alluded to the grants for public works ; those autos, he thought, ought out to he voted away in large masses, but Amalfi rather be so granted as to develop,: the means cud resources of the country, producing gond, not evil. The best way, in his opieinte of giving such grants was, as loins payable eta of the county rates. In illustration of the benefleial effect of such bane,. lie adverted to the grailuid increase of the Customs and ,Excio# in .those parts of Ireland where they had been grantei, And where, by the increased prosperity of the districts, they yielded a four.fuld return, The reform of Juries was another point upon which nothing had been done, or• wan likely to be done, in the. presint Session; the same was true of Sheriffs, and e►pecially of Sheriffs in corporate towns. The mode of eppoieting Sheriff, in the city of Dublin wad a disgrace to the county. He was aware that nothing would be does upon them?, or respecting the Sub-letting Act, or the Arms Act, or a variety of Others. Neither was the affair of Sir Jonah Barrington proceeded in. After an Addrese had lawn agreed to, praying his removal, the whole matter was abandoned, and he. was left iu the full discharge of his judi cial functions and autbotity. The lion. Gentleman con eluded by complaining, in very strong terms, of the job , king and abuts which marked the whole system oldie Irish Government. Lord P. L. GOWER admitted the perplexity to which Irish Secretaries were exposed, and expressed hie sense of obligation to his lion. Friend for tie sympathy which In felt with the pain which those 'difficulties ocessionerl. The suggestion respecting the appointment or cimuuni. sinners of Inquiry was not without its value, and should 'receive the best oonsideration, though it might be attended with some serious difficulties. lie met the observation respecting the Charter schools and other establishments by saying, that the reductions since 1827 had amounted to r 0,9504 On the subject of Irish education, he (rated there wonld nut be general satisfaction. given by any eye .. tem which did not satisfy the bead, of the great religious bodies into which the country was divided—and he feared that to effect that object would be extremely difficult. Respecting the objection taken to the sum voted for pro. a b o n a tie t es, he had only • to say, that so little had he meddled , in any tnetterr connected with the Pit% that he could not tihdertalte to say what might have been the amount of influence foronerly exercised by the Irish go vernment over the Wen; but he could outlet take to arty, that at present it exercised nu influ e n ce wh a t ev e r . Mr. BROUGHAM was aware of the apathy and in difference which the approach of a general election always creat.d among the Membera of that House, but even at the, risk of offending, even with the prospect of hieing con.ideled obtrusive, and even uneourteons, he Gould not allow that opportunity to paw by without once more warn. ing them of the consequences of their present course— without once more pointing out to them the awful regent. 'Ability they were about to incur. They %vole now called on to agree to a vote of a sum of money on account of certain miscellaneous estimates; but he apprehended few, very few of them who were willing to give-their vonsood to it, had any distinct knowledge of the items of which that estimate was composed. Among the various heads which it embraced, 'were two, if he mistook not, ,the most important, and the must open tot discussion and dift.lence of opinion, of all those which load come be. fore Parliament during the present ti•esaion. These were the Rideaux Canal And Windsor Castle.—( th. ur , hear, hear.) On the first el these. Rents, en hon. - Friend of his, the Member for Preston, (Mr. Stanley) hail a motion pending now fur nearly six weeks ; a motieti on which lie had promise' to pit. the house in lies. eeesion of all the information ,which his ;mewed inspee. tiun, talent, and experience, could bring to the subject , ; 'and yet they were now Called on to vote the money for a project threatened with this opposition, and without'any of that inquiry and deliberation which it was obvious it required. On the second question, that of the espencee of Windsor Castle, there WAR aye a great ditieretwe of ' opinion—he might say a veryetrong concurrence of feel• ing in opposition to it. lie recollected very well, when it Was proposed that the House should vote a BUM of money for the repeats of Windsor C.lblie that the House actually eximonied so great no objection to the proposal, that Mmisterii were compelled to give way, end consent to the anpointinent of Si Committee to hear revi dines on the oubject up steins. Ile did not know whether that (I:morel ittla lad made a frport,i[ 84, Robot Peel said wens the table that it had rico;, Well, then, if they hail not, he could say, from What he had heard of the evidence, that It war impossible for that Committee, unless its opinions, were governed by a strung Ministerial majority, to egree to the items of ex penditure which were cinitaineeliu that estimate. Now these two catenates---two disputed estimates—formed a portion of that 1,100,0001. which they were now Called on to vote in it letup. They were told, however, that the Howie Was nut notinnitn.4l to any of the estimates by thus voting a stun on account. its otentended that they were continittedi for they not only approved of the items of ex penditure without examination or inquiry, but they went further— e they me their signature to the hood.--they voted the loisr.).—lf that was nut committing themselves, he kneW not what was.—(llear, hear. )—.ll the payment of the money did not pledge them to the vote, he knew not what could, he call- A pledge ; and bow OM gentlemen who thus 4:e pee(' of the public . ; money could answer to their constitueuts, or to the country, he was unable to understand. lo vain would it .L 0 afterward' to ob ject to extravagant ettimatee. In vain would it, he to disapprove of iinpriwident expenditure. The answer was ready. 'You have voted the money, and how eau you say you dill riot admit the propriety of the estimates ? ,(Ileer,licar.)---Tltere being, however—heyend this ques tion of improvidently consenting to vote a sum of money On account, and therehy enabling MiniSters to dissolve the Parlietneut.---a question' of touch deeper and more awful anxiety to the Members of that Homo and the country, the risk of a disputed succession ; the danger which may accrue to the Monarchy and to the people should rest with the Crown, end With the advisers of the Crown. Ilut was that House likely to stand eletolved from all blame? Were they, who consented to pot the Ministers in a con dition to dissolve the Parliament, by granting the Sup plies—were they, who consented tat allow the Parliaines4 to be (16401* without entering into the question of the Ittgency anal these other topics which wl 'atenngly doe innncleal their attention? No. They were . the parties to blame. That House would be ta Name; and by this in genuity ache Ministers, all the zitterolstit oft this fearful attempt to postpone the question' of I.a• ;blowsy is shifted rout their shoulders, not liven shared, but wholly shifted from the Miniitere ta the Poliaincra. Were they then, when ttaese 'Ovation* lirereieil themselves tin their consideration, tai have their attention distracted, 41111 tbeil ditin occupied by disonssions such us they haul had to4light ? Were they, to be entelnyen iu delibereting Wlnt. iker they shamed twoperwe air threepence more oi liss, or whether the Irieh Odder Or the Home Office should he at Whitehall, or in Cunineetreet, or in sonie.other law or alley of Westminster, at it toottimit when the interest• of the people, thesecurity ache monarchy, end, pccbsps, the future peaee end r,ppose of the whole empire were in. Volved in the consequence of their deteratinmions T Thew were a few of the ohjectionst which preiewal ott his mind t. the course they were thou pluming, end which intitteoi hint to implore the 'Love to pause beh,re they gave their 'consent to this vote of supply. The question had not litre yet discolored. it hail been, it was hue, toothed upon oh %driving evetiog. . It was mingled with neonsiderittioe of the Civil List—ts very grave (potion—Anal of the 1.; Jar• rut fitiaticiel arrengements of the ctiuntry—ts kohject quail Froling ; but the, all..important *potion of tlie etorety of appointing a 'Regency had been merely raised, pot die_ Posted, tool he trusted that sotto! lion.. Member,' whoa attention omit' lie owl to.ively tiff weal to ;be subject. would cold, them, by it ilifeet motion, to tote tire who! , 'Of the groat interests' connected witli• it folly 444 'eutori iteration, They might, )4! INfetttuA, tat theta they ‘voultidiseltarge their ,lure, They fait warning to &lions(' and to the pmelo, 1111,1 th! , MIA) not lie theire.....ac WPtilti Dear lilt 01 them, if those corniegnefn'Ts Whith ha I ,eua t lit aald Altai wards row to poi boar, liver.) that it. alas hers di , 1141,11 with avapi et to the estimates now 4 4 4 "s A u l o a* ,:fd 4 t 4 11: 1 4 in tl .:h i l e v iY in s ll:l ll 4 l t e : l l:4: . ( m ans s ow oilillogne 001 ibis thies6in hoe been Navel to the 4e,ttnta) lit- was alt terttteltd tr, aura. vindia at g ' tlae lit a e :drat reap. It taas <e , letiitted that the Ilgirrsez as 111:Ihti t ic ala I 1115 pose d that the re ‘ni-termy.s t Itt , y eto be+ iirthlkiit tUreYAIA ? 14rej a►c t 9 prefertinA the course tow ttvollouttult 4l . required, hut a Tillie mouths' supply, and he appislienthel that they would, in the meantime, suspend us nitteli possible ull the works it Windsor esutle whieh were Illy .ultject of dispute. Feeling then that it would be ,ible to baduce the House to consider the estimates V? attention, he toloptett the hinter evil of entitenting po.t pone them ; and not eoneidering {lintel& pledged to lap.- port any IMP of them when brought forward, he 'wt.! the Government anewetable for the expenditure of what ,low voted on loconnt,—(fleet:) , Sir It. PEEL waitl that the Learn 1 el 1 Nor itiveneell two arguments agairot the vitae they wot, ... iiow imbuing t out:, that by crutienting to glee tbe to , i, on account they precluded Nrliament front the opi,,, tunity o conritlering the question of u It, geney ; awl il,, other founded on the form of the vote. Now the How. that is, taking the minority' to be concluded by the tttg F jority,,lnid, in answer' to hie Majesty's twatintuentlati* for. the despatch of business, declared that they re-* . anxious to comply with his wisher. Tide was the vote 'tit rf. 3 . Wednesday. , Now when the Him. Gentleman talked:Ml4l the House comniittiug itself in the. eyes of their c mitite-. tee anti and the country, he would ask the lien. and Len niel . 1 1;l Gentleman if, after devia t ing on Wed nes d a y th a t they tv,wo re ready to adopt 'the flours* recotnnuctitleil, they cm El i ley '''..,l determined to stop the su ppli es , an d go into the questiiiii '"],."i,, of the Regency, what would be said then? Did he think that would be u course either etesteietfui tit mho` 04 Clown, or eatiafitetury to the peephi?—(Hear, litter.),;-: • ~1 The House had deter itiurti stet to go into the wiestieti 'C1.;',.? ; 1 the Regency ; and he del consider it eotimiitt e d by den; 1..,. i determination to agree to the vote of that eveninte ~., Now with respett to the f o rm o f th e vo t e — was it not i* ' better to take the whole sea respired in one t iel; , ~ ei, than to take it on 40 or 60 different *tried esti . e - q unites, 411 of which might, l e ad to. diseuesio, 'On .. sh ect thereby defeat the object for which the vote : tilt. IA recommended, namely, the intimellitte deopetch of the int , ' e ei sinew of the residua ? The Hoe. and Learned Gentleuiett ' e had, however, intimated that the sums now taken iitieltt i,-;`.; be opplitul to othet purposes, and the responeibility et ti n ii. , Government got rid of. The lion. Member eould not test. ),.' sensein the House at the time, or he would have helve tii4 front hie Hon. Friend that it wee intereied to ititroduce ; ck e e, elites* in, the Appropriation Act, thruugh which the t lie veremient would hie bound to opply the money owe ciittil ;!A in the proportion allotted to each item,' *tut that it wuolii l'';s nut be in their power to apply to one item the savings bon, fee another, When ante 4414114' were exhausted, Pet li meet !',...., must be culled together to grant further sepplie. ;, them e -e fore the lion. Member had in that a outlicieuteile dee that '' the rliscuesicutit which he desired vould nut belong delayeiL j e —(llear, hear) t ? ', Lord ALTIILHIP begged it might be distinctly ender - e e; stood that neither he uur soy of those Member* who lit-; ", I v o ted against the addre s s' were responsible ter what, Vet :,;i itensequeoce might ensue from the Goverinneet pussies .'". e over at present the moot important business, its like vote" ',e,.., for money, which some gentlemen said pledged them te eee , nothing ; it was absurd to say en. The money WOOlOl lii ,„,,, undoubtedly spent after it was voted, and they would he to en able to recall their votes. . Ile fur Ong objected tai ne !it' , course which it Wall prelim(' la pursue , and hi , protest ""' I i ,.' L ' , against being implicated in whatever convequetteer might e t . ensue. . i.. itlr. 111./SKISSON agreed with his Hight 800. Friend, that it would be imemeistent With the "t'' t " ~' ' ,' ' ' J which the House cams on a former occasion , rut to vo v t , [ l' the proposed supply, and he was glad to Lear %he.; t tint. oat no intention of Inecluditig 'the House of Omen:roe. i: .:, from a full examination of bow it was dietweited of. 'lle wished, however, to say that, cutler tee eireuitistancee S.l the country, looking to the learlul eutitiegtereitee wt .. t f 7 '.. , :l might arise, in particular, loukiug et the til(a3o.ll' , it which the Monarchy would be placed if our of theee Ow tingencies should revue, if the Perliament were to sop a- rate without Oinking some provioitmeeewithout adiiettee some measure against that obtrudes etintingeney, eliettl i tteit incur before the 1'444m1/tit atteill met. Ile' biped r li L t'' e l a li t a -ne i d t it il l . eiti lri liee n , bc is? t oul i r i l e , 1 14 h 1 4 'p ic rolteri Lord, an 1 4 ; A t le i i ld i-, b ,s i : i t% . n '; ' ,' l Throne, or votne other memory, take incites to pitied lei - , t, fore the Monetrell the danger to whittle the country end 'Ai, '''' 7'l he Mouurcliy would he exposed. lie Was taken cool, el ) e by surprise when the Arltireee was propoortil-e(littel es beer)e-the etiiil yet;...-taken ley sorprtie—thottgli et. knew there were some gentlemen who were aated)..l with a cheer; and 'never required any other eutlitnit) el fur their votes than the dictate of the Treeeury, slat whO could never be taken by surprise ; but he wee. ',.r . ..,1 mid after having •sisee investigated thu stileitt4e le L i ii far aa his time would *How, be did think that it t r ei was imperative On Parlianieut to take these i Rennet. ‘, , '., Mitt (pesthole into enterideretiou. , 'rhe House mutt !as l ) it,. shore of the consequences should any danger acerikte the public 'office before those questions email!). briinglit 0 . ,,,,, under discuselon in October. Tbe people, tee, lie belielfit i, 7,1 would he token by surprise, With respect Iti, the forte- the vete, he • believitl it wits net mend to teke a vt4,, , ,,i credit ter the whole setts:Us wished to know et ifjv , i e branclues of the pithier service the 1,100,0001.. riMl''..i,./ . t what lw"Paiti""tt it war to he tillwnlnlattah Ihn kg" that a clause of the Appropriotion Act would specify ~, .:,,, but that slaws moil ginattemati would be utisequelitted ~ with, and wit' had arrived at a period orate session *lb 1, all the estimates ought to have been voted coil eppliee He littil 'sat iii that House for thirty-six years. and lie rigs,, , ri rememliered beano. being so much delayed. He i.litienbe -, to the Hon. Member for Dometshire, who hid set tit* , ::'.' House luttger than lie hail, if lit ever remembered the 104 `. j i i nets being so•ltinnit ill create La at present, This lie at- c nibuted to the want of leleure and authority in the hii l nittisters, and to the suomalues course they had porsta.4.‘, The Hon Member for Altitiklutt, said that Wit might Ain- 1,5 . cuss the estimate* in October, but lie was 4freid 'the when that time tumor, _that there would lie 40 1040 y Mete * impornow qtsestititio ,for discussion, that it wntitil net t o found feasible to diet:twill 'ileteits. Ile would; agitin remind the Iloiles that they were now attics to Approptiate w h it hail not been apparel for in a Committee ut Supply. Sir It. PEEL would be very shut if there were any WI - thority belonging to the Miuletere to proem. 4 refractor) 41 House of Commons to side with them. Dug it was wit ,i' possible for Ministers to tell Members that they sliouht ant t; bring forwent motions, and give moiety of illt)tiirilb ; lit Alembers would do as they pleased, and he was salid dee 0 he Should not. again see is tractable Homes of Cunatwito. ', When hie night Hun, Friend coutpleineil of the delay o busitieva, Ito might, pedalos, {eau acct that he boas in the ‘, Ministry, when the Army Estimates word debated fur tart ,.een nights, iv Mr. HUSK ISSON explaitiell. i, ' Sir IL V YVYAN approved oh the Mittietere yet e' e.. bringing forweiti at present the question of the Regent''ii 4 the same tints lie did not approve of their mewl, 0,, ~. ,•1 anti was not disposed to piece ally contitlence in them. " Sir it. PHI% said, the lion. iletmtet lied requeutei that lie would repeat the statement which lie lied lead , ail in an early pert of the Btatioa s that the English Geeeei. went were nut in any way conneeted with the eppoiteee e el the Prince de l'olignau at tire heed of the Alittieety ii I Police. It racily 'rooted twereelly net...mete to eepret it., detihil of ail tovettion so alutecil, vi 441 the Covelltinel, r e of this elittiitty would atletapt tai ( hue IS Violator tiVoi , mutt a country us Franco ; but, tie it might prevelit tie runtititiattett. tof any delusion au Site subject, he hilt! 1,0 hesitation in 4 hdog so. Sir R. Veeeyale flint Sit 11. ,as. tlttittadly oplahled. Mr. IL GRANX, although be agreed with the Right Finn. Baronet, thet,..the passel WAS itch a tit opportunity for enteral into the queetion of, the Regency, entirety con curred with the Hon. end Lint ned Alernher for .Ittotrie borough, aim It was a tiestion which sought not Itt tie It( ' unsettled. It wit* mid s alt it ought not to ha' enitettel it 1 a tunitattety. Parliament ; tot, if ditty deferred it, and ally titat)itUtier ACCidokit, 011014111 0411 kt. it Weald In agitatcd 'i a hilliatlieitt ielditi more tuukteltnotts than the oriei et Being of opitiiiirt, with' the Hui. mei I.44teril Itivinher (~1 ilitterrebol%.o4ll, thSl the 4104160 U had certainly tint I. ~ v iiteri the grsyu e o l eittret Anise whidi Was doe tit it, 1,0 gec e . outie• tha t cubic it weir • taker up by better...l.l,o e les tie would on Alottriey move nor Addeo)+, to this Clo Wit au the subject. —(ilear,,liea t e , ) ini::v ir irl i tTil l ig lli t< l l l l 4 iti l ir i s ;lit' i Y ili tk a i t ' h t io " a b ug li g ° e l et i li' l i l i g t e t t . i 4' 4 l l (l ol I I : taken up in !such is ettlitatt's At flirt') was other linsicon, h ow p vt , t ,, this; fitr.Mentley, he begged ilk Ittii l o%lWild this tb s ,, (leatt e enaa,te ,talte 'Cowley for his atotion, in kiss I:ll.o;it'':(s7:4ieNrtw''‘aNil:ltil'aillg;e:ll,4:ll:ll;titivt 6stlvi:eid;wrvie4:;t:ll;:ahlitualtu:ti:::;;;;;Yi; wits fixed ter the'paptiese . ', their trinletolt ten , lc WILSON role to etprres it Lupe that tie! I l'h mill Lem inel Gentlemen otipotlite would pr oee ..l lei! ' preterit fi , editit st ith the 11 41114 1itUtIllt tar ' Libel Retird ti , 1 ' It it.a ant likely that it woulitioteiosiou inuelt 41'1434"'1'' 'outs it Wit" , U 1,104 1 1 8 {4111 and ileeirable 'newest-v. The ATTOIINEV,OLNEHAI, 'wealthd tedeavotir b tarry tits Bill Ilivnugh, but could nut gife soy pleitee me I ti e .ul.ive.t. Loll Monrrrit, Mr. Hume, sell Mr , Lt`''''''' i eireseell the preecerling with the II IL Mr, H. GRATTAN, Mr. 'EWAN?, and Mr, O . Co p t; i 'PM . "' Ist , il 010 ti.*Vl4l , l* liilahtr, 00011 the i., oi,'v ~r It:L., vel'e laboutilig, amid suggi,e/el CR' 4: p <ii.ivy A . +.l , 6 ' ine , liate relief. ! , 4 tee The aceoliitimi W A`i ti.tql 3 .; 4-.1 ate, AA Wt. 4 - r , .-"*.....-am