The Sun. — London, England, 1863-03-27 00:00:00

IMPERIAL P. HOUSE OF LORDS—Last Evening. Tho Lord Chancellor took his seat at the usual hour. POLAND. The Ral of SIL.A.FTESBURY gave notice that he would, to-morrow, present a petition from a meeting lately held in the Guildhall on the subject of Poland. PETITIONS. Lord CHELMSFORD presented a petition from the in- Labit , n;s of Bermuda complaining of the competition al. lowed to exist with Cuban slave-grown sugar. The Earl of DERBY presented a petition from Toxteth against the sa!e of intoxicating liquors. The Archbishop of YORK presented several petitions irom places in his dice se. GREAT EASTERN RAILWAY (NEW METROPO LITAN STATION) BILL. The motion for resuming the adjourned debate on this bill having been read, ThA Earl of SHAFTESBURY said he had already spok,n on this subject, but he thought the be,t speech that could be made was to read the 17th section, in page 6, of Colonel Yollard's report. (" Hear, hear," from the Earl of Dorby,) He moved that the b;11 bo read a second time that day six months. E al GRANVILLE said it would be very unsatisfactory to pos. pone all the bills for th ) met ropolittra railways till next session, because they wc uld not be in a better position then than now. What he thought best was to have a committee appo nted to inquire into all these bills, and report upon the general scheme of metropolitan railways, and point out what bills they thought ought to be passed and those that ought to stand over for their consideration next session. Earl GREY approved of such a course, as the subject could not be well considered this session, and ought not to be taken up with reference to bills by particular companies. The subject deserved a scientific consideration,such as it could not be expected a committee of the house could give it. The railway scheme of the metropolis ought to be under the super intendence of some public body like the Metropolitan Board of Works, who might let out particular portions of the work to existing or other railway companies. It was not for the house to appoint a committee, but the Government were bound to accept the responsibility of introducing some general measure. In the meantime he did not think it would be safe to press any of the bills this session. The Dut e of S )MBRSET said the noble lord said that the Board of Works were to settle the scheme of metropoli tan rail wa; s, and afterwards the public were to make them ; but he sheu'd like to know whether they would do so. He supprated the propet,al for a committee to report upon the general scheme. This would prevent any injustice being done to any particular line. The Earl of DERBY reminded the house that the ques tion under consideration w!s the second reading of the bill. Ample time had been given .ince the first objections to the bill, five weeks ag to enable the company to refute these objections, but no answer had been given. The case was left where it stood, and the report of C .1. Yolland substantiated every objection he (tae Earl of Derby) had made to the bill. Not only w sit to run parallel to another line already sanctioned, and take up the open space in Finsbury-circus, but from the level at which it was to be brought in to the terminus-19 feet above the surface—it would be of no use it completing the Metropolitan Railway, by which com munication with the north and south was to be effec►ed. since the other schemes ropo,ed had their terminus at Finsbury inany feet below the "urface. The object o: ap pointing a loyal Commission was not to lay down any particular principle for an intercommunication between all the railways north and south without changing car riages. In the meantime he had not the slightest hesitation in raying that the objectionable lines uld not be allowed to piss, (Hear, he it ) Lord EBU ti.Y s ;hat the r-port of Colonel Yolland bad quite convincr d himth4t ;he bill before the house ought not to be allowtd to pa a, and not only that, but ne-irly all the metropolitan ittilw ;3 , bills sere equilly objec‘ionable. As to the Iwo plans before the house, for the appointment either of a acientifio commission or a committee of their lordships' house, he thought there wool I be great difficul ties attending the working of a Royal commission; and he considered that it would be better to allow a committee to report upon what bills now before Parliament might safely be passed. He would have all the rsjected bills sent before the Board of Trade for Colonel Yulland to prepare a report, and they would then be in a good position next session to deal with the whole question. The Earl of MALMESB CRY did not see how Lord Ebury's plan could be carried out without laying all the bills before the committee. Earl GRANVILLE considered the report of Colonel Yolland a most valuable document. He repeated his argu ments in favour of the appointment of a committee. Pariia ment had great powers in dealing with private bills, and he thought the house ought to show itself willing to take the trouble of examining carefully into the merits of each par ticular case. He gave notice that after the Easter recess ho would move the appointment of a committee of their lord ships' house to take the question into consideration. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE thought that they ought to have both a committee to deal with the bills now before Parliament, and a commission subsequently to deal with the question at large. After a few word from Lord CHELMSFORD, The bill was ordered to be read a second time that day six months. THE MUTINY BILL. This bill was read a second time. TOBACCO DUTIES BILL. Earl GRANVILLE moved the second reading of this bill. The standing orders were suspended, and the bill was passed ihr ugh committee, read a third time, and passed. BIRTHS AND DEATHS REGISTRATION (IRE- LAND) BILL. The Earl of ST. GERMANS moved the report of amend ments on this bill, which was read a second time. POST-OFFICE SAVINGS BANKS. Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY moved that the house should go into committee on the Post Office Savings Banks Bill. Lord REDES DALE moved, as en amendimnt, that where transfers of deposits made by minors from local sav ings banks to Post-office savings banks should be under con eidereeion, the power of effecting the transfer should not be left in the hands of parents, but in the hands of the trustees or guardians of the local saving' banks, who would be ac quainted with eircumstences, He also objected to the fourtn clause, which provided for the conversion into annui ties of funds lodged in Ravines banks. The house then went into committee on the bill. The clauses were agreed to, and progress was reported. ECCLESIASTICAL PATRONAGE. The LORD CHANCELLOR said that he rose with sortie anxie'y to call attention to a question of great im portance. They were all aware that great ecclesiastical patronage was vested in th , -1 Lord Chancellor. It was difficult to trace the origin of the right which was thus vested in the Lord Chancellor and Lord Privy Seal. As ear y as the rules of Parliament, in the reign of Edward 111., the right of the Lord Chancellor to present to all livings of 20 marks and under was ackn ,wledged in the Rohs as undoubted. Subsequently, probably about the reign of Remy VIII., when the denomination of money was abered, £2O became substituted for 20 marks. But the right of the Lord Chancellor to dispense patronage to all Crown livings not exceeding £2O was undoubtedly an un • contested one. He mentioned this, because it was material far him to show that he was not about to tette away any of the patronage . of the Crown; f or if t h e l anguage were cour teous, which it would not be, the Crown might be considered the trustee of the Lord Chancellor with respect to those livings. With regard to all other Crown livings, the Pre mier takes the pleasure of the Crown; but when the Lord Chancellor presented, he took it as his right, without con sulting the pleasure of the Crown. The appointment was couched in language so peculiar, that he would repeat the words of the writ. It ran thus : " The presentation ns of right deth to the Lord Chancellor belong." Such was the origin of the right of the Lord Chancellor. These livings were numerous, but many of them were in very -unfavourable districts, where there were no resident pro rietors. Livings that were small, and that were situ reed in places where there were no resident proprietors, bore an unfavourable comparison with other livings equally small, but which had proprietors, who were interested in them. They suffered from want of attention, from want of schools and parsonages. Moved by these considerations, le had selected out of the number of small livings in his patronage 320 of the smallest. The object of the measure he was about to propose was to ask their lordships to enable him to sell the a d vo w s ons of these livings, on definite terms, .or the purpose of applying the purchase money to the aug mentation of th e li v i ngs . Th e resu lt wou ld b e th a t, i n stead of these 320 livings being held in the barren hands of the Lord Chancellor, they would, hoped, he become vested in :320 landed prop r i e t ors, each one of whom wouldhavean a dditional interest in th e welfare of the i Establi s hed Church. The Ecclesiastical Commission ers h a d a rule t h at, if any proprietor woul d a dvance any sum np t o £l,OOO for the aug mentation of the value of a livin g , they would add another £l,OOO or similar stein to that advanced by the proprietor. lie therefore pro posed that when the Lord Chancel or should eceive the first inst alment of £5OO he would, to the extent oi" a limited number of livings in the year, carry that sum of £6OO to the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, and they would add another sum of £5OO to it The £l,OOO would then be laid out in the purchase of an annuity at 31 per cent. Thus the first £ioo paid for the purchase of the advowson would be at once productive of £35 yearly, to be added to the value of the living ; and when the other sum of £5OO of the purchase money should become due by the living falling vacant, it would be applied in a similar way, or in the pur chase of debentures, tithe-rent charges, or in Government securities, to be appropriated to the augmentation of the 1, vino , He hoped therefore in those cases each of these stt tall livings would be augmented by the purchase money to , lie extent of two-thirds, or at least one half, of their annual value. He offered the alternative of granting a ant charp at 6 per cent. in lieu of paying the money at once ; such rent charge to he charged on adequate freehold or copyhold property. The result would be that, instead of paying the first moiety, the purchaser would grant de bentures to the amount of £25 a year; and, in respect to • the second moiety, he would grant debentures for the sum Which that moiety would amount to at compound interest at 4 per cent. The whole principle of the measure was 1 that in effect the purchaser was to pay either in a sum of money down, or in an annuity, one-half of the considera tion for the advowson ins'anter, and the other cart was to be kept and accumulated at compound interest, and not to be paid until the purchaser should come into actual posses sion. They would see, therefore, that his ob,€ct was to give 1 immediate benefit, but a still greater argumentation of the living when it came into possession of the purchaser. Lord ORAN WORTH congratulated the noble and learned lord upon the satisfactory character of the measure, which he thought would not only be of great benefit to the country, but would relieve any Lord Chancellor who might hold the seals from a large amount of disagreeable trouble connected wi h the distribution of these small livings. He was not quite certain, however, that his noble and learned friend had not over-valued them by not having deducted the charge for curates Lord CHELMSFORD said that the object of augment ing those small livings had his entire concurrence. THE CLOONE LOAN FUND. The Earl of LEITRIM moved an address to her Majesty for a Royal commission to in juke into the pro priety of the 1.4 , ,an Fund Board having closed the Cloone Loan Fund, and ordered the funds to be c.,nfiscated ; and to inquire into the mode in which those funds had been employed, and whether they could not be applied for the benefit of the poor of the locality. Earl GRANVILLE said the funds were being distri buted in that manner already, and there was no necessity for any commission of inquiry, unless a prima facie case of misapplication were shown. The Earl of LEITRIM—That's not correct. Earl GRANVILLE —The noble earl will be good enough to address me in parliamentary language when he wishes to address me in that way again. The motion NI a s negatived without a division, and their lordships adjourned at a quarter before eight. HOUSE OF COMMONS—Last Evening. The SPEAKER took the chair at 4 o'clock. NEW MEMBER. The Marquis of HARTINOTON took the oaths and his seat for North Lancashire. the nobte lord was introduced by Mr. Grogan and Mr. Hug2esson. THIRD READINGS, The following bills were read a third time :—Aberystwith and Welsh Coast Railway—Accrington Gas and Water— Caledonian Railway (Bredisholm Deviation)—Caledonian Railway (Carstairs and Dolphinton Branch)—Cocker mouth and Workington Rail way—Cockermouth, Keswick, and Penrith Railway—Leyland and Farington Gat—Mid Wales Railway (Branch, &c.)—Newport Pagnell Railway —North Bierley Gas—North-Eastern Railway (Newcastle and Starbeck Branches)—Penarth Harbour, Dock, and Railway. The following bills were considered and ordered to be read a third time :—Bristol and North Somerset Railway and Harrogate Gas, PETITIONS. By Mr. POTTER, from Carlisle, in favour of the reduc- tionof the tea duty; Mr. Ni ILLIAMS, from Lambeth, to the same effect; Mr. W. WooD, from a public meeting re cently held under the presidency of Mr. Sheriff Lawrence, in the Guildhall, praying the house to present an address to her Majesty to sanction and uphold the efforts of the Poles to establish their independence, and to cease diplomatic relations with Russia until such inde pendence was established; Mr. LAWSON, from Carlisle, against the sale of intosi,.ating liquors on the Sabbath; Mr. HORSFALL, from Liverpool, Mr. E. BAINES, from Leeds, Mr. Locxe, from Southwark, Mr. BARNES, from Bolton, to the same effect ; Mr. WHALLEY, from Peter borough, and Mr. PACKE. ImOln Leicester, against the Pri son Ministers Bill; and Mr. BARNES, Belton, and Lord J, MANNERS. Loughbovough, in favour; Mr. PENDER, !row several building socielie4 in L verpool, pricing tor a modificition of the fire insurance duty; Mr. BARNES, from Bol:en, Mr. CARDWELL, 'rom the mayor and corporation of Oxford, to the same t ff•ct ; Mr. WILLIAMS, from Lam be h, in favour of the alteration. DISEASES IN CATTLE AND SHEEP. Mr. HO LLAN I) gave n ,tice that after Easter he should move for leave to introduce a bill to amend the 11th and 12th Victoria, to prevent the spreading of contagious dis eases among cattle and sheep. THE THAMES EMBANKMENT (WHITEHALL). Mr. DUULTON gave notice that after Easter he should call attention to the report of the Royal Commission with respect to the Thames Embankment between Whitehall and Palace-yard, with the view of proposing that it be con structed more in consonance with the architecture of the new public offices, and with a view to the proper accom modation of the traffic. POSTAGE. Mr. CAVE asked the Secretary to the Treasury, whetbbr it was intended to abandon the principle of an uniform rate of postage to British possessions abroad, by doubling the charge upon letters to the British West India colonies, while reducing that upon letters conveyed by the same line of rockets to foreign countries, even at a greater distance; and, if to, for what reason ? Mr. F. PEEL explained that the former rate of 6d. had been abandoned, because it was insufficient to cover the expense. The increased rate, however, had not dimi nished the amount of correspondence. Two optional rates had been adopted, a higher one where the parties required speed, and a lesser one where they did not. Sir S. NORTHCOTE asked if the contract with the Royal Naval Steam Packet Company had been brought to an end ? Mr. F. PEEL replied that the contract would not ter minate till next year. Mr. CAVE asked if Cuba and Mexico contributed part of the subsidy to the company ? Mr. F. PEEL replied in the negative. RECRUITING IN IRELAND FOR THE FEDE RAL GOVERNMENT. Lord H. THYNNE asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department, whether his attention had been called to a statement that the Federal Government of America were recruiting largely in Ireland ; whether that statement was true; and, if so, whether her Majesty's Government proposed to take any steps to prevent such recruiting ? Sir H, PEEL replied that no report had lately been re ceived on the subject ; there had been rumours, but nothing definite. IRELAND--BURNING THE EFFIGY OF THE PRINCE OF WALES. Mr. WHALLEY rose to ask the Chief Secretary for Ireland a question concerning the demonstrations at Dub lin, Cork, and other places on the 10th inst., at many of which, as Kilrush and Bellina, an effigy of the Prince of Wales was publicly burnt ; and, whether any investigation was intended as to the nature and extent of the organisation manifest in these proceedings. As he had found that a word which he had used in his notice—" disloyal "—had given offence in some quarters, he had omitted it. _ _ Mr. SCULLY (stentoriously)—Speak up. (Laughter.) Mr. WHALLEY repeated his question. Sir R. PEEL rose to reply. Mr. SCULLY rose to order. The hon. gentleman, in opposition to the rules of the house, bad placed matter in hi question which wa. equivalent to a sp.ech, and besides, he had interlarded it with no less than four or five distinct offensive expression s, The fact was, the question had been arranged between the right lion baronet and the hon. mem ber—(ob, oh) —and they had arranged between them the answer to be given. (Order, order.) Mr. SCULLY held that he was in order, in fact he rose to order—(laughter)—and was not, therefore, to be confined to mere limits. (Renewed laughter.) He com plained that the hon. member had put the word " dis loyal" in the books of the house, and sent it forth to the whole country, though he had now expunged it. He never heard of such a place as Bellina in all Ireland. Pro bably he meant some other place. He might as well say that the recent affair at Staleybridge was a disloyal riot, as the demonstrations he referred to. He did not believe any member of the house could justly accuse his countrymen of disloyalty. The SPEAKER desired the hon. member to point out the passage in the question which he considered out of order. Mr. SCULLY considered it a breach of privilege to place such a question upon the books. He had never heard of the proceedings referred to ; indeed, he did not believe that anything of the kind had occurred. The SPEAKER expla'ned that no member was entitled to engraft upon a question, statements, or arguments, save such as were requisite to elucidate the question he desired to put. Probably no great question could be raised with respect to the use of the epithet " disloyal." (Hear, hear.) Sir R. PEEL denied most emphatically that the question had been framed or put in concert with him. (Hear, hear.) I he other night the hon. member stated to him that he in tended to put such a question, and he told him, in reply, that it was his duty to answer any question that might be put to him by hon. members with respect to Ireland. (Hear, hear.) He had never acted as imputed, and most assuredly never would. Turning to the question, he said these disturb ances on March 10 were a matterofpublic notoriety, but he could with reason affirm that those disturbances in two or three localities in no way justly represented public opinion in Ireland. (Loud cheers.) It would, of course, be very unfair if the conduct of a handful of unruly people were to underweigh, to the very smallest extent, the general at tachment to the throne which prevailed among the great bulk of the Irish people. (Loud cheers.) He had read in the papers that the Prince of Wales had, on the 10th instant, been burnt in effigy at Kilrush and " Ballingh." In 1361 he himself had been burnt in effigy—(laughter) —but on subsequently twice visiting this town he was treated with the greatest respect, not the slightest ill-feeling having been manifested. (Hear, and laughter.) It was a tact that the loyalty ,f Ireland was sound at the core. In Loudon or elsewhere it was easy to organise a few idle people to commit any absurd or unmean ing act, of which really school boys would be ashamed. He was a witness of the loyal feelings with which the Sovereign was received in Ireland in 1861, and nothing could be more sincere or cordial. He was sure if the Prince of Wales and his bride were to visit Ireland they would receive as warm a welcome as in any other 'part of the United Kingdom. (Cheers.) Mr. SCULLY spol.gised for his aspersion on the rig ht hon. baronet, and put a long string of qu es ti ons to him, in effect—Did the right hon. baronet regard the recent demon - strations at Cork and other places as expressions of dis loyalty towards the Queen and the Prince of Wales? Had =MOM THE SIJN, LONDON FRIDAY EVENING, MARCFI 21, 1863. any precautionary measures been taken I? Bad the sturl4.nts of Trinity Coll ge taken any part in the riots on the Was there such a place as " Bellina F" Mr. WHITESI ^tE wished to know if any inquiry had been made, cr wouid be ordered, as to the conduct of certain magistrates in not pending azsibtance, quickly. Sir R. PEEL said there had been a r-port of a sub-in Spector of police as to the burning of the effigy of the Prince, and the cases of several of the persons engaged in the riot disposed of. Mr. SCULLY asked whether there had been any in quiry as to the conduct of the mayor of Cork. Sir R PEEL said there had been no such inquiry, and he had not heard of any magistrate having been charged with misconduct. Ireland. Secretary at War had arrived, and declared that the treatment of his gallant friend was not such as they should have received from the military authorities. Sir J. SHE .LEY said that they Ithd ofren heard of the privileges of the Guards over the line, but in this case even fair play had not been shown them. Alter a few words from Colonel DUNNE and Colone DICKSON, the matter dropped. SUPPLY—CIVIL SERVICE. The house then went into committee of supply, Mr. Massey in the chair. On the sum of £1,923,000 being proposed en account for defraying the charges of the Civil Service, Mr. A. SMITH objected to voting sums on account when the estimates were not before them. But he also had other grounds of objection arising out of the large balances in hand under the different heads of expenditure, and upon this point he wished to have a clear explanation. Mr. WILLIAMS considered votes on account injurious; but he was free to admit that the present mode of preparing these estimates was a great improvement upon the old method. Mr. A. SMITH said it was an extraordinary thing that the expenses of the last quarter of one year should be paid out of the first quarter of the next. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the perfect system wou'd be to pay, on the last day of each quarter, when the cloe'r struck twelve, the whole ex pense, of the quarter; but, according to the mode of managing sublunary affairs, he thought it would be im possible, however much 'they might approve the doctrine, to carry it out in practice. The vote was then agreed to. On the vote of £754,154, salaries, &c., for the Customs department, Sir H. WILLOUGHBY complained that the charges did not appear to tall in proportion to the duties that had been repealed, but rather to increase. The present esti mate was £222,525 over that of 1861-2. Mr. A. SMI l.'H asked how it was the vote had not been reduced £82,000 as promised on a former occasion. Mr PE EL said the increase arose from an increase of trade, requiring additional officers in the examining de partment, and also greater accommodation The vote was ultimately agreed to. The vote of £1,351,771 for the salaries and expenses of the Inland Revenue department was agred to. On the vote of £2,098,920 for Post-office services, Mr. W. 'WILLIAMS complained of so many votes being taken on account. This, with the sum voted, would exceed half the amount of the civil service. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY asked how it was the Post office . xpendi.ure had been increased £21,250 ? Mr. AYR t•ON asked what arrangements hal been made for paying the expenses of the Post-office savings bat ks? Mr. PEEL said no sum would be taken in the estimates for the Po-A-office savings banks, as it would not be re quired. The increase complained of by the hon. baronet the member for Evesham, arose in consequence of the in creased acc .mmr..iation afforded to the public in the estab lishment of fresh Post-uffice districts. The vote was then agreed to. The vote of £516,796 for the superannuation and com pension allowed for the officers of the Customs, Inland Revenue and Yost-office departments was agreed to. The vote )f 456,986, salaries and expenses of the officers of the two Houses of Parliament, was agreed to. The following votes, to defray salaries and expenses of public departments, were agreed to :—£38,700 for the Trea sury; £19,263 for the Home Office; £56,225 for the Foreign Office , £23,047 for the Colonial Office; £11,627 for the Privy Council Office, On the vote of £17,181 on account of the Board of Trade, Mr. A. SMITH asked for some explanations with respect to the expenditure on that department of the office which superintended the weather returns. He was afraid that those weather-prophecies —or, as they were designated, foretastes issued under the superintendence of a certain gallant officer, were not only of no advantage but that they were positively mischievous. If he were to go through the forecasts of the present month he could show that scarcely on one day was the weather correctly described. (A. laugh.) He would very much like to know whether the President of the Board of Trade was in the habit of consulting the superintendent of this department before he started on a sea voyage. Really, these forecasts, as they were published from day to day, were a perfect burlebque ; and he was very much incliner) to move that the vote be reduced by the amount expended on the department. Mr. M. GIBSON said the expenditure on the meteoro logical department was about £2,000 a-year, although he was not quite certain on the point. The department had been originally organised for the purpose of enabling this country to co-operate with other countries in collecting facts in reference to the prevalence of particular winds, in parts of the ocean, and in classifying those facts whereby there might be established some rules applicable for the purposes of navigation. The plan acted upon by the depart ment was drawn up by the Royal Society. They had now, however, got into a different system, and instead merely of collecting facts, t hey deduced rules from the information laid before them, with a vi .w of making forecasts of the weather. Well, observing that he had asked the Treasury again to communicate with the Royal Society, to ascertain whether meteorological science was considered sufficiently advanced as to admit of such forecasts being made with a reasonab e approximation to the truth. And when these scientific gentlemen had reported on the subject they would be better able to decide whether it was advisable to continue voting public money for such a purpose. Mr. DILLWYN was very glad to hear that the Board of 'trade was moving in the matter. Mr. WILLIAMS hoped the department would not be abolished until ample consideration had been given to the subject. The vote was then agreed to, as were also the following 11,921 for the office of Privy Seal ; £6,741 un account of the Civil Service Commission ; £14,640 for the office of the Paymaster-General; £2,972 for the office of Comptroller- General of the Exchequer; £92,800 for the office of Woods and Forests ; 5,255 for the Fublic Records department ; 1167,154 for the Poor •law department ; £37,901 for the Mint ; £19,610 for the department of the Factories' In spectors , £2,445 for the household of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland ; £11,580 for the Chief Secretary's office; £2,752 for the Inspectors of Lunatic Asylums in Ireland ; £16,314 for the Public Works, Ireland ; £25,060 for the Commis sioners for Auditing Public Accounts ; £14,351 for the Copyhold, &c., Commissioners for England and Wales ; £10,020 for the Office of Commissioners under the Drain age Acts; £35,520 for the office of the Registrar-General for Births, &c., in London ; £20,222 for the National Debt Office; £2,932 for the Public Works Loan Commissioners,. £6,111 for the Commissioners of Loans in England and Scotland ; £1,228 for the General Superintendence of County Roads in South Wales ; £2,374 for the office of Registrar of Friendly Societies ; £12,243 for the office of Charity Com missioners; £2,242 for the collection of Agricultural and Emigration Statistics in Ireland; £24,000 for Secret Ser vice. A vote of £244,139 for Stationery, Printing, &c., for the Treasury and Public Departments was agreed to. On the sum of £6,500 being proposed to defray the ex pen,es of the Niger expedition, Mr. DODSON said that 18 votes had been passed over in consequence of the absence of the Under-Secretary for the Colonies, and owing to that circumstance a branch of the estimates was taken up which many hon. members who were present did not anticipate would be proceeded with that night. Col. SYKES said if the estimates had been taken in their proper order, they would not come on at that early hour, therefore he moved that the chairman report progress. Viscount PALMERSTON said he had often heard an objection in7.de to passing votes on account of the lateness of the hour, but it was certainly something novel to com plain of the earliness of the hour. (Laughter.) Full notice had been given, and if hon. members were not present to discuss the votes it was not the fault of the Government. After some further dis3ussion the motion was withdrawn, the Government having intimated that the particular votes objected to would not be proceeded with. The vote was then agreed to, as were also the votes of £66,000 for defraying the expenses of captured negroes un der the Slavery Suppression Act; £6,550 for defraying the expenses of mixed commissions in relation with foreign powers for the suppression of slavery ; and £116,462 for superannuation allowances to persons formerly employed in the public service. Sir F. BARING called attention to what he supposed vv,.s an omission in the Superannuation Act, in consequence of which great injustice wa., done to officials who suffered from personal violence in the exercise of their duty. Tne old Act contained a provision enaUng the Treasury to make allowance to such persons when disabled; but under the present Act there was no power to make any allowance for personal injuries. A case of this kind had occurred re cently at Portsmouth, where a warder had suffered from a murderous attack made upon him by a convict ; but there was no provision in the Act for giving a man an increased allowance, unless it happened that he was 10 years in the service. This was a matter which, he thought, ought to be rectified. Several other votes were agreed to, among which were the sums of £714 for pensioners who had served in the old American war and in Toulon ; £325 for the Refuge for the stltute ; £1,966 for allowances to Polish refugees; £55.700 for pensions to masters and seamen formerly in the merchant service; £20,043 for distressed seamen at home and abroad ; a d £3,625 for charges formerly defrayed out of the civil service. On the vcte of £25,278 towards defraying the charges for Nonconformist seceding Protestant dissenting ministers in Mr. W. WILLIAMS opposed the vote. There was a great objection to this vote, and he complained of its being proceeded with in the absence of the hon. gentlemen who were opposed to it, and who did not expect it would have been brought on that night. It was increasing annually, and it was time to put a stop to it, The committee divided. The numbers were— For the vote Against it.......... Majority The vote was then agreed to. On the question that the chairman report the votes to the house, _ Mr: HENLEY complained of the manner in which the votes had been taken, and hoped it would not be draw n into a precedent. The votes to be taken according to the paper were, to say the least of it, equivocal. (Hear, hear.) They might suppose that the votes to be taken were to be votes on account, as numbered en the paper; but no one could for a moment suppose that a vote was to be taken on account in the early part of the evening, and the balance, as in the cise of the last vote, taken later on the same evening. (Hear, hear.) The first part of the vote had not been reported. He hoped the circumstances would not be drawn into a precedent. (Hear, hear.) Mr. W. WILLIAMS had known many votes in supply to be passed in an improper manner, but he had never known such an irregular course pursued as had been adopted that evening. (Hear, hear.) The votes were all in contusion, and no one knew anything about them. (Hear, hear.) The house had not acted in accordance with its public duty ; and he despaired of any change for the better till they had a reform of that house. (Hear, hear, and Oh ) Mr. PEEL admitted the irregularity, hut excused it as a consequence of the change of voting the civil service esti mates introduced last session. It was an accident that the balance of the vote was taken that night, as it was the last night it could be taken to make the necessary payments for the current year. It was impossible to know what progress the committee would make in the votes; and, therefore, to prevent any inconvenience from arising, the vote was taken. Mr. DILLWYN condemned the course pursued by her Majesty's Government. He hoped some course would be adopted that would prevent its repetition. (Hear, hear.) Sir G. C. LEWIS said that no doubt the course pursued that evening was unusual— (hear, hear)—because it was the first occasion, or nearly so, that it had been done. (Hear, hear.) He could not admit that there was any thing dangerous or unconstitutional in it, or that it limited the responsibility of the Government. All that was re quired was to know that the Government had neither asked for too much nor too little for the requirements of the en suing year. It was not, however, desirable that the course should be often repeated. (Hear, hear ) The m.tter then dropped. and the h use resumed. CORRUPT PRACTICES AT ELECTIONS BILL. This bill was read a third time and passed. The house then went into committee upon the Tele. graphs Bill, the remaining clauses of which and certain new clauses were agreed to, with amendments after a long discussion. Sir G. LEWIS, in moving the second reading of the Office of Secretary at W%r Abolition Bill, stated that there was now no separate duty attached to the office, which was absorbed into that of the Secretary of State for War. Mr. HENNESSY objected that the bil. was an infringe. went of the prerogative of the Crown. The bill was read a second time. The Oaths Relief in Criminal Proceedings (Scotland) Bill was read a second time, after a few remarks by the Attorney and Solicitor-General and Mr. Cranfurd. Sir G. GREY, in moving the second reading of the Local Government Act (HS) Amendment Bill, stated the rea sons for which the bill was proposed, and shortly explained its provisions. On the order for resuming the adjourned debate on the Salmon Fisheries (Ireland) Bill, it was proposed again to adjourn the debate; but, after much discussion a motion to that effect was negatived upon a division-59 to 5. Lord FERMOY'S amendment, to refer the bill to a select committee, having been also negatived, the house went into committee on the bill, the Chairman reporting progress. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER obtained leave to bring in a bill relative to stock certificates to bearer. The house adjourned at half-past one o'clock. SPIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS. TIMES.—Of the rights of the Poles under the Treaties of 1815 there can be no question. Although their connection with France during the war had alienated the sympathies of the more zealous Allies —although many thought that when Bonaparte fell Poland might well be left to go into captivity witb him, yet the remembrance of their unfortunate heroism excited the good will of European stake men generally, and public opinion was even then strong enough to forbid their being left to their fate. The consequence was that the Czar entered on the government of the new Kingdom of Poland with a Constitution which guaranteed a Biennial Diet, consisting of a Senate for life, and a Chamber of Deputies, a separate Polish Ministry, an indepen dent Judiciary, a national Army, and a free press Hsw soon these fair promises were violated, and how the late Emperor and his brother Constantine tortured the Poles into revolt within fifteen years, are matters of history ; but England and France, and Austria, and the other Powers, if they re- olve on inviting Russia to discuss with them the affairs of the revolted kingdom, have only to point out that the Government which now exists is not that which Alexander I. guaranteed, and it will be for Russia to explain her reasons for not fulfiliing the obligations she had accepted. How clear was the opinion of the great Powers in 1815 in favour of Polish nationality is shown by the Proclamation of the King of Prussia when he resumed possession of his Polish provinces. " You are incorporated in my Monarchy," writes Frederick William, " but without being obliged to renounce your nationality. You will participate in the Constitution which I intend to give my faithful subjects, and you will have a provisional Constitution like the other pro vinces of the kingdom. Your religion will be maintained, your personal rights and your pro perty will return under the protection of the taws, upon which you will also be called in future to deliberate. Your language shall be used with the German in all public transac tions, and every one of you, according to his abilities shall be eligible to public employments in the Grand Duchy, and to all the offices, honours, and dignities of my kingdom." Such was the spirit even of absolute Sovereigns at the close of an obsti nate war, in which they had overthrown a dreaded conqueror who had received the enthusiastic services of the Poles. It contains as much and no more than Alexander himself undertook to do for his own share of the Polish race. It is to the credit of the Prussian Kings that, whatever may have been their other shortcomings, they have governed the Polish pro vince assigned to them with justice and humanity, and we would horse that the recollection of the words we have quoted from his father's Proclamation may inspire King William with the desire to see these humane principles carried out in the adjoining ter ritory. At any rate, there is now among the prin cipal States of Europe a desire to discuss together the affairs of Poland. For some time past there have been not only communications between England and France, but between France and Austria. It is pos sible, indeed, that the two last-named Powers may have entered into the discussion in a more earnest spirit even than England. This country, from its political traditiona,no less than from its geographi cal situation, is not likely to do more than protest against the excesses of the Russian Government. But it is at all times possible that the two Continen tal Empires may resolve on a more decided course. The rulers of France have always professed, and its people have really felt, a strong sympathy for Poland ; end no one can say that a war for the re constitution of Poland might not at any time become the passion of the French. Nor is Austris entirely devoted to peaceful counsels. The gulf between her and Russia is now wider than ever ; a settled jealousy prevails between the two Courts and the two a'itocracies, and Francis Joseph might not be indisposed even to cede Galicia to the new kingdom in exchange for an in demnity elsewhere. We believe, however, it is the opinion of all the-e Governments that a Congress is the best field for the proper examination of the questions connected with Poland. Of course, there must be many and long negotiations before the seven or eight Powers which signed the great treaty can be brought together through their repreaeuta fives, Russia, especidlly, we may presume, will interpose difficulties, if even she does not absolutely refuse to appear. But she has such weighty reasons tor endeavouring to stand well with her Western neighbours that she is hardly likely in her present state of confusion and exhaustion to prove wholly contumacious. Posi.—Lord Palmerston assured the House of Commons, on a recent occasion, that the Govern ment had been " unceasing" in their endeavours to find a prince who might be recommended to the Greek nation as a desirable sovereign. It has been quite understood that without for one moment, or in any degree. abdicating their right of free elec tion, the Greeks have very naturally . felt that, owing to their comparatively remote position, they were but little acquainted with the young princes of Western Europe, and they therefore expressed their wish that we should point out to them the person 'whom we ourselves might deem most eligible. l'his has proved a task not only of great responsi bility burof considerable difficulty. In the instances of Dom Fernando of Portugal, the Duke of Sax e . Coburg-Gotha, end the Prince of Lethingen, each of whom was desirable as a well experienced, clever, and liberal prince, it was found that sev era ll y t h ey were induced from varied but imperative motives to decline. Of candidates there was no lack. A score of scions of illustrious families were willing to seize the offer had it but been set before them. But it was felt that, however unpleasant might be the de lay, no prince could be selected hastily, or with out the most careful regard to his satisfactory and entire fitness for the important post that he might be called on to occupy. Under these circum stances the Government have thought it judicious to enter on negotiations with the Royal Family of Denmark, whose recent presence in England afforded peculiar opportunities for the purpose. We have studiously refrained from alluding to them, because transactions of this delicate nature must reach a certain maturity before they can pro perly be made public. It is now, however, no secret that the negotiation has arrived at a very promising stage, and that we may hope that Prince William of Denmark will be recommended to the Gtetks as their future king. To the selection of his royal highness there has been ail along but on( drawback—his youth ; but that is a fault which cures itself; and after all he is about the s: - .tre age as our own Prince Alfred, whom the Greeks so en thusiastically acclaimed. We believe we may state that the Governments of hu,sia and France have already been sounded as to their disposition towards this choice, and that the Cabinet of St. Petersburg have replied that they bad neither objection nor opposition to offer, whilst M. Drouyn de Lhuys has assured us of the cordial support which the Emperor Napoleon would be willing to give to the Prince. For our part, we cannot imagine a more desirable sovereign for the Hellenic nation. They dislike Germans and hate Roman Catholics. He is a Dane, of English and constitutional sympathies, and is a Protestant in religion. He is a sailor, and is reported to be cf great intelligence and excellent disposition. The strong sympathy and support of England and France will be with him, and the pro spects with which he will ascend the throne are in the highest degree encouraging. It will probably be requisite to establish a regency for a time ; but that will involve but comparatively little objection, since the future will be settled on a solid and per manent basis. Of course the cession of the lonian Islands may be considered as a fact of collateral and immediate consequence, since we have always pro fessed our readiness to acquiesce in the annexation of the Septinsular Republic to the mainland of Greece upon the election of a king who should combine so many qualifications as the young Dane. We trust, then, that we may soon con gratulate the Prince on his accession to a throne, and the Greeks on their acquisition of a sovereign who may bestow on them all the blessings of good government and its consequent prosperity. In making this choice the Hellenic people will adopt a prince who will go to his new kingdom with all the advantages of popularity in Western Europe, and who will bring with him honesty of intention and sincerity of endeavour to work out the not very difficult problem that is set before him. That the Greeks are easily governed is proved by the fact of their having endured the sway of Otho for 30 years. That their country is full of resources is established by the circumstance that their financial disorder is not greater than it is; tied that their power of car rying out retrenchment and reform is real and ear nest is shown by the new and ecoromical arrange ments of their expenditure, to which we rEcently called attention. How disinterested this country is in its anxiety for the success of sound and liberal principles we have emphatically demonstrated by refusing a crown for a British prince, while we off3r to yield what is almost a British possession. We are glad to think that our motives are rightly understood, and our conduct appreciated in its true light by other Powers. To this we owe the acqui escence of Russia and the support of France given to the Danish Prince whom we hope soon to con gratulate on his election to the throne of his new country. We hear that Mr. Scarlett has already sounded the leading personages in Greece, and has, as we expected, found them willing and ready to accept the candidature of Prince William. We can hardly doubt that the whole nation will cheerfully ratify this acceptance, and that the election of Prince William will be carried with an enthusiasm little, if at all, short of that which characterised the vot ing for Prince Alfred. HERALD.—The member for Birmingham has never been famous for his history, but if perversion and fiction will give him a reputation he is in a fair way to become so. His readings in American his tory are original, if they are not profound. "Pri vilege that arch enemy, has been at work in the United States. We are glad at least it is not en tirely confined to this country. " Privilege," when it saw, with the vision of prophecy, the glo rious future of the United States purged from the contaminating effects of association with an odious aristocracy, determined to mar that fair pros pect, and like the malignant fairy in the tale, took care to set a canker at work in the shape of slavery. It is slavery which has produced the wholesale de mora isation which we have sadly witnessed in the American Republic—slavery designedly planted for that purpose by an envious aristocracy. Mr. Bright sees the United States as they were, and not as they are. His eye refuses to dwell upon the horrible atrocities of the present war, the corruption of all classes in the North, the odious tyranny, the extra vagance and imbecility of the Federal Government. The fact that there is no King, no Emperor, no State Church, and no aristocracy blinds him to taxa tion, anarchy, and interminable bloodshed, and he still harps upon the glorious results of republican institutions in America, as if to-day they were not teaching the civilised world the moral of the swift ruin which has overtaken them. The United States have existed as an independent power—not a cen tury, and have already ceased to exist. The writing on the wall is as plain to any intelligent observer as it was to the startled Babylonian. And what a his tory is theirs! Has there ever been such rapid material progress, such precipitate moral decline. Where are the great statesmen that should have come to the fore in the North at this time ? The sceptre, an iron one, is wielded by Mr. Lincoln, and we may look through his Cabinet without finding the name of one individual who inspires respect or confidence. Is it " privilege," or is it the demora lising effect of the American constitution as itexists in the North that has ostracised the worth and in teltigence of the country from the administration of its affairs ? Mr. Bright is full of rabid denuncia tions of the South, but, strange to say, it is in, the South that he will find the only true working of re publican institutions. Whilst the North is hastening adlong down the steep of anarchy into military despotism, the head of the Southern Confederacy maintains the rights of his fellow-citizens, and up holds the majesty of the law. Years ago, when Lord Derby was in the Southern States, he remarked it was slavery which maintained the Republic, and Calhoun, the statesman of the South, endorsed the remark. If Mr. Bright would only think before he speaks, or if, having thought, he would not allow his stupid jealousy of the aristocracy to overpower his common sense, and sway his regard for truth, how much more likely he would be to aid the cause he advocates. We had hoped that this profess ed sympathiser with the working classes would have had something to say for the Lancashire operatives. We are not aware that he has done anything in the north for them. We expected words of counsel last night. Scarcely a word, however, fell from his lips, and what he did say upon the subject was a gross and wilful misrepresentation. He would fain trans fer the guilt of the cotton famine to the South. "It is not," argues Mr. Bright, " the blockade, but the obstinacy of the cotton planters from which you are suffering." How comes it, then, that ship after ship leaves the Confederate ports, and runs the risk of blockade laden with cotton P How is it that Con federate cotton is made the basis of the new loan P Every one knows chat if the North would consent to the opening of the cotton ports the mills of Lan cashire might within a month or two resume work; and knows also that every possible difficulty has been placed in the way of exportation of cotton by the Federal authorities. Mr. Bright is false to his principles and his professed sympathies. He de nounces war and bloodshed, and yet hounds on the North to slaughter, and glories in the prospect , of servile insurrection. He would be thought t h e ' friend of the working classes, yet he would rather see 500,000 of his countrymen starve than witness the humiliating failure of the Northern Republic. The friends of President Lincoln should stop him. He will do more mischief to their cause in a day, than any other man in England would do in a lifetime. The fortunes of the Confederacy must be looking dp now that Mr. Bright emulates the vulgarity of Mr. George Francis Train and the violence of Mr. Cassius Clay on the opposite side. PERSEVERANCE REWARDED,--In a severe gale on the 9th of January last the barque Pride of the West, of London, which sailed from Liverpool on the pre vious day, went ashore on the Delas Rocks, on the Welsh coast. The barque was bound for Monte Video, with a general cargo, and from the storm which prevailed and the severe injuries she had sustained, it was considered that she must inevitably become a total wreck. She was not, how ever, abandoned, and after a partial survey it was consi dered that the vessel might yet be got off. Acting upon this hope, energetic measures were adopted to effect the utmost amount of salvage, and, if possible to rescue the ship her self. Her cargo was discharged by lighters, a task of con siderable risk and difficulty, from the exposed position in which she lay, added to tho fact that soon after striking her hull was reported under water. By dint of great exertions and perseverance the cargo was got out, and a partial repair of the hull was made. These steps having been taken ar rangements were made to float her off; and buoyed by "lumps" on each side and at her stern in tow of steam tugs belonging to the Old Steam-tug Company, she was hauled off, and after much anxiety and care brought safely round to Liverpool, where she arrived on Tuesday, and has since been got into the graving dock of Mr. Clover, at Birken head, where she will be repaired. This is considered a feat of no ordinary difficulty, and it speaks well for the perse verance and judgment by which it was accomplished. [ADVERTISEMENT.]—TwofoId extraordinary cure effected by Holloway's Pills and Ointment.—Mr. J. Webb, boot and shoe maker, Chapel. street, Cahircevin, Ireland, writes under date, Jan, 10, 1863, that he had been afflicted for 17 years with a most dreadful asthmatic cough and shortness of breath, and latterly was also subject to benumbed sensa tions in his limbs, attended with heavy drowsy feelings , which threatened an apoplectic fit. In alarm he consulted the most skilful o f th e p ro f ess i on w ithi n m any miles of his residence without avail, and fruitlessly used every means recommended by friends, till he heard of the repute of Holloway's remedies, and resolved, with death staring immediately relieved, in the face, to give them a trial. They relieved, and ultimately cured him. THE LATE RIOTS. S FALEYBRIDGE, Thursday. The discontented and their advisers are in high e at the decision of the Lcrd Mayor's Cot mit tee to give £5OO, with the stipulation that it bhall be distributed in money. To some extent it ties up the hands of the Local Relief Committee and compels them to make some concession. It remains to be seen whether any concession less than the abandon ment of the whole principle of relief in kind will be accepted now that the door has been partially opened. The unemployed operatives held a meeting yesterday, and the result was that a deputation, consisting of one male adult from each school, was sent to seek an interview with the local Relief Com mittee. The interview was accorded, and the de putation stated that what they had to propose was that the attendants at the schools should be paid in money instead of tickets, and that a reduction of 4d. per week having been made in the amount of re lief, in consideration of this reduction, one day's attendance at school out of the six per week should be dispensed with. This proposition the Relief Com mittee was not willing to comply with, but made an offer to give the amount of relief half in money and half in tickets. The delegates replied that their powers did not extend to any middle course, but said they would report the proposal to a meet ing of the schools and take an opportunity of wait ing upon the committee again on Saturday morning with the decision. Sir J. K. Shuttleworth, deputy chsirman, and Mr. J. W. M. clure, hon. secretary to the Central Relief Fund, were present at the meeting, but took no part in the proceedings. Mr. Commissioner Farnall was also present. Thus the matter rests for the present. Meantime a committee of the unemployed is said to be carry ing round and offering for signature a memorial to the Lord Mayor of London, thanking him for his interference on their behalf; while the leaders of the late movement are said to be exhorting the people to be firm, and telling them if they are the committee must yield to their wishes. There is no question that the recent proceedings here have been encouraged to a considerable extent by addresses from the pulpit. A gentl' - man long ago notorious as an agitator among the people who has now chapel of his own in Staleybridge, but is affiliated to no particular sect, is blamed for exciting appeals to the people attending his ministrations for some weeks past. A pair of ragged trousers, sent down by the Lord Mayor's Committee some time ago► among a bale of cast-off clothing, found its way into the preacher's hands, and he is reported to have exhibited them to his congregation, with depreca tory remarks as to the kind of charity which had dictated such presents to the working classes. The trousers are said to have been worth 48. to 58., and fit for any - working man to wear after a little mend ing, but the pi eacher thought such a donation in sulting to the people, and said each leg was worth £5O on that account, declaring his intention to send one part of them to the Earl of Derby and the other to the Lord Mayor. We are assured there is no exaggeration in this account of his proceedings, and, if so, there can hardly be much wonder that people, many of whom are wholly uneducated as well as poor, should have been led to acts which will hardly bear reflection on the part of the right minded portion of society. At the sitting of the magistrates at Staleybridge this morning, two young men named William Cheetham and John Kelly were brought up on re mand for taking part in the riotous proceedings of Monday. Cheetham is a collier from Charlestown, Ashton-under-Lyne, and had taken out a atone from one of his pockets, and struck a policeman on duty with it. The policeman, in return, felled him with his cutlass. He had received a slight cut of the scalp, but had lost very little blood, and appeared this morning to have wholly recovered from the effects of the wound. Both prisoners were committed for trial to the assizes, and were removed at noon by rail to Chester Castle. COUNTRY MARKETS. MANCHESTER-MARCH 26. A slender attendance to-day, with little disposition for business on the part of buyers. English wheat meta very slow sale at last week's prices, and American receded 2d per 100 lb. Flour moved off slowly. Oats and oatmeal in limited request. There was no change in beans. Indian corn 3d to 6d per qt lower. BIRMINGHAM—MARcH 26. English wheat was sold at 48s to 568 for white, and 400 to 53s per 36 stone for red. Barley, new malting, 338 to 42s per qr; grinding, 24s to 28s Oats, old, 24s to 300 per 30 stone ; Irish, 22s to 255. Beans, 368 to 44s per qr. Peas, 36s to 44s per 36 stone. RAMS° ATE HARBOUR, In reply to Sir E. DERING, Mr. GIBSON sad the Ramsgate harbour accounts for 1862 were ready, and would be produced. EXPENSES OF DIPLOMATIC SERVICE. Mr. DODSON rose to call attention to the charges for the diplomatic service; and to move that, in the opinion of this house, all sums required to defray the expenses of the diplomatic service ought to be voted annually by Par liament, and that estimates of all such sums ought to be submitted in a form that will admit of their effectual supervision and control by this house. On looking over the fragmentary estimates for the diplomatic service, as they were laid before the house, it was impossible for any hon. member to answer the following questions—What was the cost of the diplomatic service? How was the money given ? and, What value was given for the money ? They were not in that condition as regarded the army and navy ; as the whole cost of these services was included in the estimates submitted to Parliament. Previous to 1830 a portion of the expense of the diplomatic service was paid out of the civil list, and another portion was included in the estimates ; and the same rule was observed with regard to the consular sere vice. In the year 1831 the matter was referred to a select committee, who recommended that the expense of the diplo mati3 service should be defrayed out of the Consolidated Fund ; at the same time the committee recommended that certain extra expenses should be paid out of the votes of the house. By degree s other eatras crept in, such as charges for houses, repairs, and finally salaries, until, in 1862, it was found they had returned to the abuses of 1831. According to the present arrangement, the house had no check over the expenditure, and it was in the power of the Foreign Se cretary to transform consuls into diplomatic agents, and diplomatic agents into consuls. This was a dangerouspower to place in the hands of the Foreign Secretary for the time being. '1 he hon. member then referred to the charges d'af tairez for Venezuela, Texas, and Equadur, and observed th.it changes of this kind had occurred in these three places. If the whole cost of the diplomatic service were annually voted, the house would have a greater hold n the service, and exercise a more direct influence on foreign politics, Mr. LAYAItD said what the lion. member stated was to a certain extent true, namely, that the manner in which th cost of the diplomatic service was paid, was in theory at variance with the manner in wiiich other branches of the public service were paid. But the system hitherto worked wed. He would oppose the motion on two grounds. What the Lon. member proposed was objec tionable on the score of economy, and the efficiency of the public service. What we: e the real facts of the case ? In the year i 825 nu less than £300,000 were paid for the service; but in the year 1830 the expense was reduced to £130,000; cue pay of atiachee, however, was included in the vote ex traordinary, and nui, iu the vote for the diplomatic service. In the year 1832 a gross s, in of £lBO,OOO was fixed as the aunuai expense of the eipioulatic, ‘ service, and that sum was to include not only the charge for foreign missions, bat also the pensions of ministers uric of others in the Liploma tie service entitled to receive them. His hon. frienu stated that although the sum annually voted was £:80,000, yet that en going through the se vertst cuar b es the gross expense adruunted t, £360,0e0 ; out his hun. friend had mixed up two wings which should be kept distinct, namely the con sular end the diplomatic services. Fur the latter alone the stun o, £lBO,OOO was fixed ; but his hon. friend stated that the superannuation grants in page 6 were included in the pen sions given to diplomatic oftleere. Such was riot the case. As regarded the complaints of his hun. friend that consuls were sometimes turned into diplomatic agents, and vice versa, the thing occurred in this way, that iu the absence of the diplomatic agent of a particular station, the consul-- general of the place became for the time bring diplomatic agent; yet, though he discharged both functions, he was paid as a consular officer. So far from extravagance, the Foreign Office had, by strict economy, been able to hand over annually, and to carry from £7,000 to £16,000 out of the £tBo,ooo a year allowed into the Consolidated Fund for the dipioraiitic service. He objected to the proposed change, believrng that it' the charges „ere itunually sub mitted to Parliament tney would increase in the sense pro portion as the other branches of the public service. Almost every ambassador, even under the present system, com plained that he had to spend annually more money in the necessary discharge of the auttes of his office than what he received in salary Ir3m the Government. The present am bassadors were as able, inteingent, and independent a body of men as any branch of the public service, but he thought the annual discussion of their salaries in that house would be moat fatal to the efficiency of the service. They were now, in most instances, independent or political changes in this country, and discharged their duties most efficiently, independent of any political party. The proposed change, he thought, would destroy that independent existence, and be equally subversive of the discipline and efficiency of the service. Allusion had been made to China and Japan, but the house should remember that we had entered into exten sive relations with those countries; the Foreign-office had had in consequence to organise a large diplomatic and con sular staff for those parts of the world. It was impossible to meet that increased expense out of the £lBO,OOO, and Parliament had to vote the expenses in committee of sup ply. The increase in the dipkmatic and consular service s, as forced on the Foreign-office in proportion to the exten sion of our commerce. he charges for couriers, telegra phic messages, &c., were extraordinary expenses, and were never i ntended to be paid out of the £lBO,OOO. Mr. AYR CON regretted the motion had not been an swered by a responsible Minister of the Crown, feeling cer tain that if it had better reasons for rejecting it would have been urged than those put forward by the Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that all his prejudices and prepossessions were in favour of the motion with regard to the extent of the jurisdiction of that house on the details of expenditure. Nine years ago, when he held the office of Chancellor of the Exchequer, he pro posed a measure for removing a large number of the charges from the Consolidated Fund, and of transferring them to the annual estimates. In doing that it was necessary to take a comprehensive view of the matter, and to consider each question by itself. The views of the Government of that day were not opposed by the house; and with regard to the arrangement for paying the salaries out of the £lBO,OOO, he thought it possible that some advantage might result from its reconsideration. That, however, was not the question before the house. His hon. friend the member for Sussex had stated that all the sums required for the diplomatic ser vice ought to be voter' by Parliament. To that there were objections, both in principle and practice. It had been the opinion of the Legislature —and he thought justly so—that it was important to maintain the diplomatic service in as high a state as possible, and to treat the officers analogous to the judges of the land in not making their salaries de. pendent on a fluctuating vote of that house. lie thought that was a sound opinion, and he concurred in what had had been said by the Under-Secretary for Foreign Affairs, that the tendency of the change proposed would be injurious to the discipline of the service. Regarding the question in connection with the interests of the Treasury, he preferred the present arrangement to the one proposed. Much cor respondence bad passed between the Foreign-office and the Treasury relative to these appointments, and he was bound to say that in all cases where the Foreign-office had made demands on the Treasury for an increase of the public charge, they had been invariably supported by a reference to demands made in that house, and the reports of commit tees. (Hear.) The Foreign-office had, however, greatly reduced those charges, and was still doing so. With re • Bard to the statement of the hon. member for Truro, he begged to say the hon. gentleman was in error in supposing there had been any great increase in the cost of the diplo matic service, and he doubted if there had been any increase corresponding with the increase in the civil departments of the Government generally. Much of the increase had been in connection with consular charges, which were subject to the votes of that hawse, and which must necessarily depend in a considerable degree on the demands of our growing commerce. He hoped the house would negative the motion of the hon. member for Sussex. Lord H. VANE supported the views of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr. A. KINNAIRD opposed the resolution ( n economic considerations. Mr. S. BOOTH suppoi ted the amendment and con tended that it was evident, from the arguments used by Ministers themPelves, that a fresh arrangement of the diplomatic service must be organised. The house divided. Far the amendment Against it Majority for going into committee of supply THE CASE OF COLONEL DUDLEY CARLETON. Mr. H. SEYMOUR called attention to the case of Colonel Dudley Carleton and other officers of the Guards, with the view of having certain alleged injustice in the matter of promotion done them by the army warrant of October, 1854, redressed. That gallant officer served in the Crimea, and, in consequence of the number of deaths in his regiment, his promotion was somewhat rapid. He at , ained the rank of lieutenant-colonel in 1854, but when he subsequently succeeded to the full rank of colonel, he found that the operation of the warrant of 1854, combined with the warrant of 1858, had been to pass Iver his head 200 lieutenant-colonels who were his juniors. The hon. member urged that this was an injustice, and should be at once redressed. Sir G. C. LEWIS admitted the hardship under which the officer in question laboured, but held that any attempt to redress it by an ex post-facto rule would lead to still greater difficulty and inconvenience. General LINDSAY regretted the decision at which the EDINBURGH GRAIN-MARCH 25. - -- --• A good supply of farmers' wheat to-day, which met a fair sale at the prices of last week. Wheat on the top is Od down average 2s 3d down. Barley on the top 5s Od up ..... average Os 3d down. Oats on tho top is Od up average Os 6d down. Beans on the top is Od up.... average Os 6d up. Total Supply and Sales. Wheat ... 566 qrs Sold 315 qrs Barley... 743 qrs Sold 374 qrs Oats Beans 225 qrs Sold 107 qrs - Flour sells as follows :—Whites, 44s Od ; extras, 41s 6d; superfine, 39s Od ; fine, 37s Od. CORK—MARCH 25. The following were the quotations this morning :—Red wheat, 6s rd to 9s 6d; white, 7s Od to lls Od , barley, 63 6d to 7s 4d ; oats, 6s 6d to 8s 2d. ; new bere, —s Od to —s o.p DERBY SMITHFIELD—MARcs 24. ---- --- A middling supply of fat beasts to-day, but the quality generally was excellent. The demand for beef was brisk, and prices fully supported. The number of sheep was larger, and prices maintained. A short supply of calves, and an average show of fat pigs. Beet 6ld to 70 Veal ........... lid to Od Mutton ... Bld to 9cl Pork .sd to sfd Lamb .. —d to —d Rough fat, 4s Od per stone. Hides, 3d to 4d ; ca lf skins, Mto 6d. Foreign Mail Packet List. MAILS DUE. AuKralia and Mauritius, via Southampton. Apr. 18. via Marseilles ... Brazil and Cape V er de, by British paeltet. ...... Cape of Good H o p e , A scens i on , and St. Helena., Apr. 1. China, Penang, and Singap ore , via Southampton. Apr. 4. via Marseill es M ar . 29. Falkland Islands .. Apr. 6 Gibraltar, via Southa m pt on ..... . Mar. 28. India (Calcutta), and Ceyl on , v i a S outh ampton Apr. 4 Apr. Apr. 6.12. via Mars eilles Mar. 29. India (Bombay), via Southampton .... Mar. 28- - via Marseilles P0rtuga1.......... Malta, Egypt, and Aden, via Southampton Mar. 28. via Marseilles Newfoundland Oporto and Vi go • • U. S. and British N. America, by Brit. packet.... Apr. 1. by U.S. packet.... by Canadian packet. Mar. 27. W.C. of Africa, Madeira, and Teneriffe Apr. 10. Bahamas, via New York Apr. 9. Importing Tea without colour on the leaf pre vents the Chinese passing off inferior leaves as in the usual kinds. Horniman's Tea is uncoloured, therefore, always good alike. Sold in packets by 2.280 agents. Births. CHOLMONDELEY.—On the 24th inst., at Farnborough Vicarage, the wife of the Rev. Richard H, CholraondeleYs of a daughter. GWYN.—On the 25th inst., at 49, Belize-road, the wife of G. B. Gwynn, Esq., of a son. SMITH.—On the 24th inst , the wife of Seton Lionel Smith, Esq., late Major 54th Regt,, of a daughter, Marriages. CASTELLO—Wour.—On the 25th inst., Baruch Castello, Esq., of 9, Clarendon-gardens, to Sophie, the second daughter of B. Woolf, Esq., of 14, Bedford-square, W.C. WILSON—SHAW.—On the 24th inst., at Monkstown, co- Dublin, George Oir Wilson, Esq., son of Wm. Wilson, Esq., of Lark Hall, co. Dublin, to Annie, eldest daugh- Shaw, late Madras A te r r m o y. of Lieuten a nt-Colonel Ponsonby Deaths. BURCHELL.—On the 23d inst., Win. John Burchell, Esq., - buru-place, Russell-square. 60, Niro FITZCLA.HENCE. — On the 24th inst., at 8, Queen's-gate•• of c i n Ch th u e rc 2 h 3 fi d eld in , s li t„ ou m ae r ,. F John on ,Fulham, an , . C 1 , D, t. .R U K . L B : —' gardens, South Kensington, the Hon. Lionel Frederick Digby Clarke, of A. Fitzclarence, second 8011 of the Earl and Countess of Munster. GRAFTON.—On the 26th inst., at Wakefield Lodge, Stony Stratford, the Duke of Grafton, aged 74. Low.—On the 24th inst., Archibald Low, solicitor, Port sea, aged 72. Ronal:EL—On the 25th inst., at Gloucester-crescent, Regent's-park, John Rorauer, Esq., formerly of tha Treasury, Whitehall, aged 80. ... London : Printed and Published by WILLIAM ANDREWS of No. 112, Strand, Printer, at THE Sux Office. No. 112 Strand, in the Precinct of the Savoy, In the County of ididdiesen.—Friday, March 27, 1843, POLAI of tl FUNDS in Subserip Banbury Office of th Duke-E tankers wi pOLA: For the IR Surip Mess b rs. sc Messrs. 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