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thittlie imputed, any blame to the . llon. Gentleman (Sir O. Muiray),or to the Government, tajr ROBERT PEEL was sorry to observe that the ' Hon.' Member for Weymouth (Mr. F. Buxton) had male use of expressions totally at variance with those of the Hon. and Learned Member fur Caine (Mr. Macaulay.) The Hon. Member had told them that there wed a third party, independent of the Government, and independent of the slave or of his master, whose interests awl wishes • must be consulted, and who have rights in the Legisla- Con, and claims on its attention, sv:tich could not he post. ponetl. If, however, they were prepared to postpone the final settlement fbr a single day, the effects might be ink chieftain under such circumstances. Unle.s they were prepared to dissolve the traffic in this living mercl,andise on the instant—and who could say that. they were ?—he intreated them to beware of making use of expressions which could only irritate the passions, anti might lead to Incalculable mischief. Could any man, however. who listened to the speeches of the lion. 'Member for We)- mouth, close his eyes to the difficulties of the queNtitiu ? The Hon. Member for Caine (Mr. Macauley) admitted in the fullest manner that there must be cotnpensation made to the planters. If their claim to compensation be admitted, what was to he its amount? Were they to recompense the owner for the direct loss he would sustain in his slave, or from the consequential loss he must suffer in his property and plantations? These were grave and serious questions to he decided be fore they came to the point of emancipation : and then, supposing that many millions would be required for the purpose, they were prepared at once to demand that sum from the people of this country ? Supposing, how ' ever, that emancipation is determined, anti that compensa tion is to he grant-d, what security had they that the co ' lonies streald not be involved, before they could carry it into effect, ist a 'general conflagration ? Did they consider the consequences of suddenly making such an alteration in the existing state of society ? Could they, when the slave was emancipated, secure the contronl of the planter over '"him as a freeman ? When the planter received compen sation for his property, all desire to remain in the colony— ' all stimulus to watch over its interests, would be titian away ft um him. The Aristocracy—if he might make use of such an expression—would leave the colony, having no inducement to remain. There would be nn link by which society could be held together—there would be n . s Magic tracy--no power by which wrong was, to be punished, or tight secured—( Hear, hear, hear)--asd the Colonies would present a scene of civil war and a succession of barbarous conflicts, unmitigated by any of those checks which, in the eieilied portion of the meld are found to soften the horrors of the fiercest party hostility.—( Hear, heir, hear.) These were a portion of the evils which might flaw from an indulgence of intemperance of expression, or from a too hasty compliance with the claims of the abolitionists. 'He only entreated them to pause until they could fairly approach the evils which they all ardently desired to see ! - tuitigeted , but which never could be effectually dealt with unless they looked not more at the pecuniary rights of in dividuals, than at that which was of even much greater importsnee—the permanent welfare of the slave.—(llear, hear, hear.) Lord ALTHORP fully agreed with the Bight Hon. Baronet on the importance of the question, and the diffi culties which attended its full con,ihration. While he agreed with the lion. Baronet and the other Members who had spoken on the subject, that the total emancipation of the slave should take place at the earliest possible period, •he also agreed with them that every exertion should be Made to render the negro worthy of the station to which he would be raised, and capable of appreciating thi full benefits of emancipation. He thought it therefore of the uttnost importance that no means should be neglected to Improve their morals, and to extend among them the ad vitutages of education, so that they might become fit to re !claire with safety the full advantages of Tibet ty. He was fully prepared to acknowledge that the trodden emancipa tion of the slaves would be productive of great evils to the illavecthemselves, and that the masters typal not be able to preserve over them that moonl which was necessary fur the preservation of the public tranquility ; hut it was, therefore, the more necessary that the measures deter brined on by Parliament to improve the morals of the , Illave population and to better their condition should be rigidly and generally enforced..—(H ear , hear.)-11e "thought it necessary to sny thus much, that the opinions 'of the Goverainent on the queation might not be roistua- Aeratoo& Mr. O'CONNELL contended strongly against granting ' ll , luPeonition to thwkslave owner., and deprecated the 4.4 0 1 11 1 - need in the course of the debate, which seemed , to hold it forth as a p r i nc ipl e th a t th e bl ac k m an was an "Irer6rs and that th e y were another and a superior class t. ins , lie denied this, and be called on the House, !.; they could go, no farther, to pass a law at once, de `l4ring every child born. hereafter in the colonies to be free atm the moment of its birth. . Nir IL PEEL, in explanation, said, that this declare . lily measure of the Hon. Member would be a gross injus liktre those who were left in a state of slavery. -On, the question thou being put, that the petition do lie t/Pthe table, ! • Fair. F. BUXTON postponed his motion on the subject "'lllarery from the 16th of February to the Ist of March. GAME BILL. On the motion of the Marquis of Ctrampos, the Corn. 41 ,, 441 kekt of the Game Bill was postponed till the 12th o• !litbraaary. REFORM. At the request of Lord Joint Rosati., who intimated *fur that it alight excite premature and injurious di • 2 1 11 Mons Mr. HAAVEY postponed his motion on the sub `t of the number of inhabitants in Boroughs and Cor .ltrote towns. SUPPLY. On the motion that the House resolve itself into a Com 'l4lltte of Supply, 44r, KENNEDY called attention to the omission of an Ponent item in the Pension List, furnished to the House -04,,the , motion of the Right Hon. Gentlemen (Sir J. (irib i tt n) now at the head of the Athuiral•y. This °mil- Ant 'referred to the einecurrts held by the Hon. Member fat'Edinburgh (Mr. Modes.) That gentleman held of ss;thet:ltrought an i ncome o f 7,0001. a year; b u t the ko before him contained an account of offices lA-mincing 4 4100/, a year, and he was, therefore, anxious to know .144 the omission occurred, and whether there were not Ot her omissi ons o f t h e same description to be accounted ..141.his opinion, a Committee should be appointed to into the offices mentioned in the List in all their e titils.tes that economy might be rigidly enforced; not 4,,, 4l ""OY'applied to the active servant of the public, Itt 11l who received large emobinients from offices fur 'KAM) perfOrmance of duty was required. to 1 SIBTIIORPE, after commenting on the great leaec of: than Foreign Ambassadors, begged to ask if it :L t ttot that Lord Granville had been nominated to the .'l7_Y of Peril with all the firmer salary ? 4;sgord.PALMERSTON said it was necessary that a '414 41 2.ipt' should tulle place .in the Einhasay ; and Lord ,7 11 e Wes Appointed. With regard to the salary of Oreo„'" 141441 ° 1110 10, the late Government bad revised that n Of the public expenditure, and the new Ambassa r, 40 1siett goi ng out at the reduced allowance ; but if the "I,l4:thought a furth er re d uct i on s h ou ld ta k e place, the. 7rs, t Was open to consideration. WELLESLEY said the Ambassadorial Pension List, it ,:s 4 tred no name for the last 11 years which had not inneyerneil a pension, and many Ina] been put into diplo thlt t offices to sate their p ens i ons f rom o th e r services to ry• A i • THE CURRENCY. sr Arts th aw ' e ' A , 'VOW) wished to know from the Noble .11 i t t i -- ." of the,Exchequer, whether it was the intention u l d e '""l'erss.in their inquiry into the causes of the distress ,yw ib lit'hich the country was now unhappily suffering, to . 4t uult-noyap ec if ic mot i on of i nqu i ry. i nto t h e c hi e f o f ' sh l / 4 1414141/".441 noisultievoos tampering' with the cur. .11 whiekt•Min;sters and Parliament bad been intro oltOctioning ;since 1919 ? 4*, ,_ EC HANErLLOR of the EXCHEQUER—In an it the lion.' ltiember's question I have to state, that r out intention of Ministers to propose any inquiry -see":„r"Y ito'altering the standard of our circulating 014, 4 hear.) If th e li on . G e ntleman be of 4 40 - 2 . 4 4 t hat suc h an inquiry is necessary, let him bring l a ord 41, !potion to shot effect before the House, so 4 ose "414* us io pronounce a decisive opinion on upt ) lithe lion. Member de so, let me ‘Stit;d ell „, lt)4l l , 4l that he will f avour t h e h ouse with—in s' 4 1 4 1 ' 40 t'ogue, amkgenerel, and untangible allegations Op e who u sua l ly advocate the expediency of a small statement of the grounds of his complaint i p the present system, of the change he would propose I.f his views es to the effects of lies change..— 14 1 Zr, h ear.) I s h ould like to know what alteration AOttsh, l4 "'Hither would propose to us to make in our it? such how he would apply himself to effect te t4 -h ether, fur example, he would issue a small note 4) !1 41 4 , 1nte Another Bank restriction, o r whether Atcitetos atter the value, the standard value, of the cur - I tsto . " (Il ears heirs). After the best attention I could a tt . th i e subjet._. 'and , 1 assure the Hon..filembet I 4 ."4e/ 11447 0 4i h k „t ul i e4 t 4 : I Y considered it, I have arrived at toe .1 6 %et; Ouittbe impossible for us to alter the --e t ho corittaCy, so important Ind neeess4 y he interegtof commerce that the standard of our l e u tt ' l ' 4l44l4 '4 . tittltd mod pernosnent without entailing syllief to the.Cteintry,..--(lleer , , hearo For this reason I for one will not con s ent to any alteration in our monetary system like to that which the Hon. Member evidently has in view. --(Cheers,) Mr. ATTWOOD h d alluded to • the currency systen; as one of the causes or the great' distress which was ad. mitted on all hands to prevail in 'the country, and which he presumed would be the object of a general motion of inquiry by his Majesty's Government. It was his opinion that the changes which the Acts of 1819 and 1826 had effected in the currency were the chief cause of that dis• tress, and as such called most loudly for inquiry, with a view to remedy. SALARIES' AND PENSIONS (RESUMED.) j Mr. SPENCE could not but join in the complaint against time very defective return which h and been made to that House of salaries and pensions, pursuant to the mo tion of last year of the Right Hon. Member for Cumber land. Numerous as were the abuses which that return had made manifest, there were others which had been *holly omitted that loudly called for redress. The House would, perhaps, hardly believe that one individual, and that ton n clergyman of the Church of England—(Hear)— derived no less than 9,700/ a year from three civil offices —namely, as Clerk of the Hanaper—as Prothonotary of the Court of Chancery, and as a Commistioner of Bank rupts; and these, too, with a right of reversion. —(Lund cries of " hear.")—Was it becoming that in the first place one person should hold two such sinecures as these offices must necessarily be, from the fact of their being filled by an individual engaged in another civil depart ment—to say nothing of his duties its a clergyman— (llear)—and was it becoming that a clergyman of time Church of England should derive the greater portion of 9,700/. a year from the pockets of poor ineolvents ? (Heer, hear.)—Unless Ministers took it upon themselves to investigate the transaction, he would himself call the attention of the House more specifically to it.—(Hear.) Mr. HUME could nut but feel no slight degree of eatie faction at the declaration of the lion. Members Respecting the abuses of the public expenditure to be found in the Civil List ; the rather, as he had long since and frequently been urging them on the attention of the House. He en tirely agreed with what had fallen from Hon. Memb re as to the necessity of a more perfect return of the salaries and pensions p,id on the Civil Li,t, than that made in obe dience to the motion of the Right lion. Member for Cum berland. Indeed,lie was sure it would be found that not more than three lourths of the actual amount of those salaries and pension* had been stated in that return. He had, months ago, proposed that all our expenditure, apart from that for the interest of the funded debt, amounting to not less than 21,000,00/. annually, should be thoroughly silted by a Committee, with a view to a boon fide saving of the public money, and would ask his Noble Friend (the Chanceller of the Exchequer) whether he would himself propose, after the recess, such a Committee, or assent to it if proposed by him (Mr. Hume), or some other Hon. Member unconnected with the Government? Had be been present the other evening, when his Noble Friend moved for his Committee on the salaries paid to the several officers and clerksemployed in the civil department of the public service, he would have urged on him that it was a matter of much greater importance for Ministers to apply themselves to get rid of the sinecures and highly paid useless officers. -4 Hear.).-The feet was, that the retrenchment system which Ministers bad hitherto deluded the public with, was mischievous, not only because it so deluded the public, but because it pressed upon the work ing and efficient persons in inferior offices, who had no patrons to protect them ; while it left untouched the monstrous sinecures, under the cloak of which the hangers on of a vicious Government dragged thousands upon thousands every year from an over-taxed people,— (Hear.) Ile busted that a different course would be pur sued by the present Ministry, and that such a flagrant case as that of a Clergymen of the Church of England holding two or three sinecure offices by which he pocketted up wards of 9,0001. a year of the public money, which the Hon. Memher for Reading hail just pointed out to the at tention of the Nouse, would not again challenge public in dignation. Let them, he repeated, do away with sinecures and useless pensions, and not be too zealous in cutting down the emoluments of time efficient working sub them of office.—(Hear.) What right bad any Minister to con tinue many of the pensions of Ex-Ambemasadors now on the Civil List? They were granted only during the life of the Monarch whom the Ambassador represented,—and, consequently, in fairness, should expire with the death of time granter. He trusted that the new Ministers had not committed themselves by continuing pensions to which it was Vain the grantee had no legal nor motel claim, as he contended was the case with all the Ex-Ambassadors of his late Majesty, as well as other pensioners on time civil list. With regard to sinecures, was it right that any member of that House sl.ould possess a sinecure of 7,000/. out of fees collected with great annoy once and inconvenience to the public? It was his opinion that every one of these sinecures should be rigidly exernined into, and that the system of vested rights, except for the performance of due and effective services, ought to be done away with. If the Government were not able to make up their minds at . present to ,grant him a Committee on this subject, he would not press them more closely for an answer; be would merely 'give notiscl, that if they did not grant it, lie would move for its appointment on the first Thursday after the recess. He could assure the Noble Lord that if such a Committee was granted, he would rather sit upon it as a Member of time Noble Lord's selection than of his own. He would conclude by asking the Noble Lord whether he would answer this question now, or postpone his answer till he had given the subject further consideration. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that Ills lion. Friend the Member for Middlesex had asked him whether he would have any objection to grant a Com mittee with power to inquire into the amount of sinecures, pensions, and other useless salaries. In reply to that question he would ask his lion. Friend to allow Ministers to make inquiry into that subject themselves, and to make such reduction% as they might themselves thick necessary. When they had done all that they thought themselves authorised to do in the way of retrenching such salat ies and pensions, then would be the time for his Hon. Friend if he were dissatisfied with their retrenchments, to come forward with the motion he had threatened. All that he could say at present WO, that Ministers intended to abolish all offices, no matter whether they were high or low, which were held by individuals performing no duties.—(Cheers., As far as they had yet gone in the formation of the Go veritment, it must be evident to the House that they had acted upon that principle.--(Hear.).—They had continued no uffice th.tt was not known to be useful.—(Hear, bear.) They had abolished sonic which were known to be use less.—(Cheers.)—And if in any department of the St ite they could perform the pnblic service efficiently witk a less number of clerks, they would not hesitate to reduce them, no matter whom they offended.—(eneers.)—Thank God the time when the country could be governed by patronage was now put _(Lou and continued cheering.)—Where the sacritice of office was the mere sacrifice of patronage, it would be made without the slightest hesitation and with the most unflinching spirit.--(Hear, hear.)—Where the office was really useful, it would be kept up, and the reasons for keeping it up would be left to the judgment of the public.--(Cheers.) Mr. GORDON had listened with great satisfaction to the declaration which had just been made by the. Noble Lord ; but did not know how to reconcile it with the re tention of two such useless office. as the Keeper of the Privy Seal and the Chancellor of the Duehy of Lancaster. --(llrar, bear.) As all pensions abated on the demise of the Crown, he thought that the present was a very fit time for passing all of them under review. He agreed with his Hon. Friend, the Alember for Middles.; in thinking that they ought to be considered as granted only for the life of the grantor, and net also for that of the grantee. • lint it was 'Aid that the grantee had a sort of equitable 'rested interest in the continuance of his pension for his own life. Ile denied that the grantee had any such equitable right ; but even if he bad, it was surely competent to Parliament to consider how it should be treated.— ( Hear.) He was sorry to • say that the Pension List was filled with the names of Cabinet Ministers, their wives, sisters, daughters, and dependents--(Hear, hear). — there they had been quartered on the public fur years, and there they had continued to repose in the full enjoyment of opulent indolerice, in spite of the vain attempts of his Hon. Friend the Member for . Middlesex to drag Aleut before the public. No matter how the Government changed, the Chancellor of , the EXcheqUer hid invariably adhered to the practice of- tefusing Is give up the English Pension ,Liit to the inspection . of the House. The Scotch 'Pension List,.--and the: Irish Pension List, were both given up ; but the English Pension List was too full of lofty names a,tl aristocratic titles to be exposed to theltrying gaze Of vulgar curiosity. The time, however, had at length arrived, when the country would expeet the strict est- economy, and the most unflinching retrenchment, and when any Government which refused to act upon such principles would find it impossible to maintain -it. ground in - the.; Confidence of the public. He bad-been ' told on a former eight that the Noble Lord had stated, that such an econoroieal arrangement had been made: re gavaing The jUdieiarieribgenlents in behind as would give complete satisfaction to the : country, when the completion o f t h ei n-iiiiilia to i l oied.: .Now he could not say with eel , tainti What those arrangements were; but he had. heard from autitoritfwhick he was inclined to consider correct, that tboAate4Lord Chancellor for Ireland, Sir A. Hort, was to have.a.perusion. of 3,6p01. a year, aria that this ex? pence tens sts.bcpartially met. by a reduction of 2,000/. a. • year in the salary of 10,000/. a year, which had been paid to all previous- Lord' , Chancellors in thsitiOotantry. Now, if this were correct, there was an additional pen sion of 1,600/. or - 1,600/. it e'etr , serldleil upon the public, fie had heard elan that the appointments made to other high judicial situations had given great dissatisfaction in that country ; but as it was not certain that those ap pointments were made, he would not comment further upon them at present. Sir R. BATESON raid, that the Duke of Northum berland, who had recently held the high Nitnetion of Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, had patriotically resigned 'i',ooo/. a year of the allowance merle to him as Lord Lieutenant. He wished to ask the Noble Lord, whether it was the in tention of Government to fix the salary of the present Lord 'Lieutenant at the amount of 20,0001. a-year, to which it had been voluntarily reduced by the late Lord Lieutenent.—(Hear.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER seid, that with the permission of the House be would agetio trespass for a short time upon its attention. His lion. Prim 1 , the Member for Cricklade, hid taunted him with ineon sietency, because be had said the Government had not filled up any offices that were useless, when it was nnto• rious that the Government had filled up the offices of Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster and Lord -Keeper of the Privy Se J. Now with respect to the former of these offices, the House must be aware that the revenue; of the Duchy of Lanc.ster had never been considered ae part of the revenues of the country; and until his Ma jesty submitted them of his own free accord as revenue to the disposal of the House, he did not think that the Ifoume ought to call upon his Majoity to sacrifice them.— (Hear.)—llis Majesty had already sacrificed other parts of the hereditary revenues of the Crown to Parliament this Session ; and he could not see any reason why they should cell upon his Majesty to sacrifice more. As to the office of Lord Privy Seal in England and in Scotland, he ' could not admit that the office in either country was use less. In a monarchy constituted like our own, offices were nut useless which connected the nobility with the Crown, and thus supported the dignity of both. The question, however, was very different, to far as regarded the salaries of these offices. In both cases it would he competent for the Committee recently appointed to take the amount of those salaries into their consideration, and to sleet with them as they thought expedient. That was the answer which be had to give to the taunk. of his lion. Friend the Member for Cricklade. As to the question which had been put to him by the Hon. Member for the county of Derry, he had only to reply, that be believed that the ar rangement was the same as it had been under his predeces sor.—(Cries of " No, no.")—He said, yes, yes : he meant that a reduction had taken place ht the amount of the salary.—(Hear.) Sir E. B. SUGDEN said that be did not rise to defend the c mtinuance of these patent places in Courts of Justice. There was only one way in which the practice of granting them in reversion could have obtained, and that was a feel ing that the patronage of such places enabled the Learned Individuals engaged in the administration of justice to make for their children a provision, which they could mot make out of their regular incomes. He thought that the income of the holder of the Great Seal should be sufficient to maintain him and his family in the dignity to which be was elevated. He would, however, have it paid differently, and would give him a part of these fees for his income. No one could defend the manner in which these patent places were granted. They were not in the gift of the Crown, they were in the gift of high legal officers ; they fell into the poi& ration of their grantees at a distant period —it might be into the hands of the children's children of the granter; those bands might he unfit to receive them, and in the mean time the administration of justice was impeded. He did not think that all sinecures oeght to be abolished ; it was necessary for every Ministry to have some places which did not burden their occupiers with lahour, as a remuneration for men who performed much useful business for the public in the House which could not he performed by those Members of the Administration who had other active duties to perform. It really appeared to him, that the Hon. Member for Middlesex was one of those sapient reformers who would burden every one with the utmost weight of labour, and pay him with the least ammint of 'atm y.-:.-(Hear, and a laugh ; and a cry of " No," from Mr. Hume.) Mr. O'CONNELL contended that his Hon. Friend the Member for Middlesex had never refused to pay well these T rho had laboured wed. He protested, also, against the principle of paying drone who worked well in our times, not only in their own persons, but also in the persons of their descendants to the third and fourth generations. He considered it a great shame that a clergyman should derive his income from fees drawn from the estates of bank rupts and insolvents ; and insisted that it was a reflection on the administration of justice that such estates should be burdened at all with the payment of fees. He con demned the mode in which the Pension List was filled with titled beggars and aristocratical paupers. lie had looked into the Irish Pension List, and he had not fourad upon it the name of a single person, with the exception of Lord Rodney, who had ever done the slightest good,—he would not say to that country,—but to any country in the world. There was a pension granted to one Robert Ash worth, Esq. Now he could not exactly say who that gentleman was: but he believed him to be the same person with a gentleman of huge estates and princely fortune in the south of Ireland. Why was he quartered upon the public ? Again, he saw a pen sion of 8001. a year (Irish)granted to one Robert Shaw, Eq. Now this Robert Shaw wrs a gentleman of large fortune, was Member for the city of Dublin, and had been elevated to the rank of a Baronet. It was bard th.,t the people of Ireland should be paying a pension of this amount to such a person, and that they should have been Paying it so long, wi.hout any knowledge of the services which he had rendered them. •He was convinced that the barefaced mode in which sinecures were given away to the partisans of every Ministry never could be understood uc less the subject was investigated by a Committee. With regard to the 'observations which had been made by the 'ion. Member for Cricklade, on the' Irish judicial appoint ments, he was obliged to lament that the Chancellor of the Exchequer had omitted to give any explanation. If the Chancellor of the Exchequer had unintentionally omitted to explain them, he would immediately sit down and wait for his explanation. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose, and said that he could net give any answer to the observations which his Hon. Friend, the Member for Cricklade, had mule on the subject of the Irish judicial appointments, as he did not yet know the exact nature of their details. His Hon. Friend was rightly informed as to part of the sub ject, but he really could not say whether the other state- ments of his Hon. Friend were equally correct. Mr. O'CONNELL then entered into a discussion of the terms on which Sir A. Hart retired from, and Lord Plunkett entered upon, the office of Lord Chancellor of Ireland. It was not, however, the matter of pounds, shillings, and pence , that he considered, either in this or the other judicial arrangements, as the most deserving of notice. There were other considerations far more im portant, both in their immediate and in their ultimate con sequences. Ile would submit to the House a suppmitious ease, which he trusted would never be converted into reality. He would 113 y, that if the administration of jus tice in Ireland should be handed over to one family,—if system of nepotism should be permitted to prevail in the courts of that country,—if the appeal from one bench to another should merely he from one relative to another,—if an opinion ►►could grow up even erroneously, that these re latives would be reluctant to reverse the judgments of each other, lest they thould be thought to reflect upon each other's character,---if a Judge should be made to re tire from the bench on the ground that he was too old and too infirm for the proper discharge of the functions of his office, and should- then be succeeded by another at least equally, old and equally infirm,-.-and if to all this were added the elevation to the bench of persons not known in. the hall,, on whom the neglect of the public bad pronounced sentence of incapacity, and who were only raised into notoriety by the patronage of a Minister, —lie watild ray that if all this were to take place, he could not hold, out a more frightful picture than it would Laird to the sight of hie country. He was deal ing, lie admitted, on this occasion more in iminuation than in assertione. He did not mean to say that the appoint• areas which were rumoured hail been made, but if they should be made, let those who made them be held re.pun tibia for the consequences. If it should again be said by another Lord Chancellor, as it had already been said by one Lord Chancellor, that in Ireland the law was badly niatered for both poor and rich, the consequence. would indeed be mod deplorable. It would be then no excuse fur a Whig Ministry to say that they had not pro moted their ft ieods, but their netlike to the bench, as the answer would be immediate that they ought to have selected better. men. He. hoped, that these appointments were not made : if he was certain that they were made, h e would ware all. perms& delicacy, and arraign, he might even say impeach, the advisers of such ill judged appoint moats. , Ho hoped, however, that these appointments would: not be wade without consulting the Iri.h hob and Without ascertaining whether the facts which he had stated were or were not correct. In the whole course of his political life nothing had been more painful to hint than the course which he thew felt himself imperiously called , upon to pursue; for no man could be more anxious then lie - was io sem) . rt a , Ministry which professed its great anxiety to promote peace abroad, retrenchment 3,t hotne,'and Reform in Pat liatnenL Sir E. B. SUGDEN, - in explanation, stated that belted never said that the children's children of any man who de. served well of his country, should lie provided for at the cast of the public nut of the - fees paid tor the administra. tine of justice,—quite the reverse. lie had only expressed a wish that the income of the Keeper of the Great Se II should be of such ati amount as would enable Min to pro vide for him children out of it in a manner suitable to the rank to Which Ins hail elevated himself and hire Mr. 110131N50'2 4 1 protested::;;:last the doctrine laid down by the Hon. and Learned (lent) man, more against the practise than the doctrine of Government paying individuals with sitSeenre plasma for coming down to that House to perform its business, or, in other words, to support its measures.—(ifear.)-11e called the present Government to rimdiate once and for all such assistance: —(Cheers. )--Ministers had only to follow the honest, up. right, and conscientious line of conduct which the Nob'e Lord had marked nut for himself, in order to find that the onerous task which former illinisters had endured in de fending their expective measly - es, would be in their ease_ materially lessentd.—(Cheers.)—ln reply to the question which hal been asked regarding the salary paid to our Arnbasardor at the Court of France, he was sorry ta hoar the Noble Lord opposite declare that the late Government had reviewed the allowances made to our Ambass tdors and Consuls, and re duced them to a certain extsta, and that our preSent Am hassador to the Court of France went out, of course, upon the same salary as his predecessor. If this were the case, it would appear that the Chancellor of the Exchequer and his colleagues were determined to pay the same salaries to Ambassadors and Consuls as the late Government. Now when the Noble Lord and his colleagues were in oprosition, they regularly opposed the payment of those salaries ; anti therefore, if they acted consistently with their old declares they ought instantly to inquire into this subject. He did not wish to say one word in derogation of the tits lents of our Ambassadors ; hr. dared to say, that in diplo matic knowledge, they were fully competent to the dis. charge of their duties : but this ohservation be could not refrain from making—namely, that no country was worse served than our own by its Ambassadors in matters of trade and commerce. They were evidently inadequate to such subjects, and the consequence was, that in all commercial treaties they had been regularly overmatched. In conclu siou, be expressed a hope that he had misunderstood the expression of the Noble Lord with regard to the salary to be paid to our Ambassador at Paris. Lord PALMERSTON was certain that the Hon. Member for Worcester could not have attended to the subject matter of his former answer. Ile had stated that the last Government bad reviewed the scale on which the' salaries of our Ambassadors and Ministers abroad hail been formed, and had proposed a lower scale for them. He had likewise stated that any Minister now going abroad would go out on that reduced ac de. He bad also added,' that even that scale would undergo the review of the pre sent Administration. They would deal with it as they thought fit, and would judge whether it was still too high for the duties which our Ministers abroad had to discharge. --(Cheers.) He did not say that the salaries which the last Government had patronized, would of course Ise the salaries which the present Government would patranize. —( Hear, hear ) Ile had said that the embassy to Paris was the only one of our embassies in which the salary allowed to the Authassrdor had not teen reduced by the late Government, the Noble Lord who had just been appointed to that embassy was going out upon the salary as it now stood, on the understanding, however, that that salary was lia4l o to revision—and if to revision, to reduc tion also.—(Cheers.) The Hon. Member for Worcester seemed to think that this country was worse served than any other by its Ambassadors, but he (Lord Palmereton) was glad to bear that he limited that asset tion to the ser vices of our Ambassadors in matters of trade and com merce. If we had been badly served on such subjects, the blame was attributable to the Ministers at borne more than to them, for none of our Ambassadors mold make treaties without the assent of their supeeiors at home.— Ile (Lord Palmerston) 'lid not know to what the Hon. Member fur Worcester was specifically alluding ; but it appeared to film that the Hon, Member's criticism applied rather to those who were the heads, than the organs of past Administrations. Sir E. 13. SUGDEN complained that h s meaning had been entirely misconstrued by the Hon. Mein ber for Wor cester ; he had never meant to contend that Members of that House ought to be paid for coming down to it to vote far Ministers. He rneant to say that those who took an active share in the Administration, without holding ntlices in it, ought to be rewarded for their services by holding these sinecure places. Sir J. YORKE confessed that be was lamentably dis appointed by the conduct of the new Administration. They had come into office with professions of the moat unflinch ing retrenchment on their lips, and,yet their first mernoirva had been to burden the country with an unnecessary re tiring pension for an Irish Lord Chancellor, and tostend out a new Ambassador to Paris with the same emoluments as his predecessor in office. It would be a lamentable prospect indeed for the cottony to set before it, if the pre. sent set of men had only come into power to follotv thus in the footsteps of their predecessors. If they should ad here to their promisee as to unflinching retrenchment and moderate Reliant), they certainly should have his (Sir J. Yorke's) support; but if they did nut; he would most undoubtedly oppose them. Mr. IL TWISS asserted that it was a great mistake to suppose that the Privy Seal was u needless office. 'With recant to the pensions on the Civil List, and the promises which the present Ministers had made of reducing them, he should only say that he hoped they would not place the Sovereign in the way of creating an immense mass of pri vate distress—greater than had been canned by any of his predecessors. Ile trusted that the reductions which were contemplated would be confined to the offices during plea sure, and that Ministers would not attack what had been always considered by those wh ) held them as vested in- Wrests. Such a mode of proceeding would utterly defeat the objects of the retrenchment which the Ministers pro fessed to have in view. Mr. WILKS ridiculed the advice which had been given by the Learned Member to Ministers, and condemned in the strongest terms what be had slid about vested inte rests, as if their being considered so should prevent the • reduction of places and pensions. Ile expressed a hope that the fame of the existing Government would 1n founded upon the extension of freedom, of reduction, and of reform, which should be effected by it. Lord MORPETH said that he could answer for it, on the part of his Noble Relative, to whom allusion had been made, that he would be most ready and wibing to adopt any recommendation coming from that !louse with regard to his salary abroad. Ile maintained that it was only just to give the present Government a fair opportunity to re deem the pledges which they had made with regard to re tienehment--that they should be afforded time to draw the sword from the scabbard, and that it was not to be ex- peeled from them that they should all at once do every thing they had promised. Mr, Alderman WAITIIMAN contended that the salary of 11,000/. a.year to an Ambassador at Paris was mon. etrously excessive, and that it was quite indefensible in the present times, and under the existing rircuinitancarof the country. . He regretted that suchit salary was not at once reduced as it ought to be. Mr. R. GRANT was sorry to hear persons in that ' House, who had professed themselves determined to sup. port the Government, thus expressing what lie must call a premature distrust towards that Government. He gave his support to the Government because lie found it one based upon the principles of retienolunent and economy, and, is Justice to his constituents, be would, in the first instance, have flinched from giving his. support to the Government if he had. nut a perfect confidence . in its psofeesions. The principle of the present Govern. meat he understood to be, first, the abolition of all useless offices • and secondly, the adjustment of the .saln. ries in the of fice, allowed to continue, in such a manner as that they should bear a fair proportion to the duty dons.-..(Hear, hear, hear.)—Their principle. was, that where there were no services given, there should be no sa lary paid, and thst the office should at once be abolished. There must, it was plain, he less hesitation where an of. fire was lit/8011141y useless in abolishing it altngether, than in determining, where an office was. to remain, in what manner the salary attached to that Olive should be ad. justed. He (.Ul , , R. G rant ) f e l t no d ou b t t h at to t h e f u ll extent which a proper economy requ i re d, and a t no distant period ton, the titlark* given .to ambassedors in this and every other instance would be adjusted to the services krformed•—(Hear, hear.) It was too much to call upon Ministers not only to commence an inquiry for that pur pose, but to pronounce a decision at once., The main support of the present Government was. nut to he found in that Honer,. nor in its advocates, in that House, but in the faithful fulfilment of the pledges which they had given; and it was not upon the friendship of the enlightened per sons who gave them their support in that House that they wel ' e " hil t to rely, but upon the friendship of the pen. pie s who would, not indeed with at blind feeling of eon& dears, mete out th e i r fr i endsh i p to them as they would mete out a reward for oth er serv i ces , on ly i n p ro p or ti on as they deserved Me MABERLY said that his proposition was, that time should be given to the Government to fulfil their Pledges* and if they did' not, he certainly would not give them his support. His opinion was, that they should not deal with officers or salaries abstractedly, but generally ; and it appeared to him that it was upon a principle of classification with nat. I to pensions and salaries that re din:dons should be effected. The present was the only Government tint piece :eel the rrieciple of econotnyo He did not deny that the :we Gov, entneut did nut do a Crest deal in that way, but they di I not profess the principle of economy afro! Reform. Of this he wile certain, that up to the last moment it wits the determined resolution of tire late Cabinet that there should he no Reform, and the Duke of Welling/ten hid peen tie only wee. to declare it lie did not see any use in attentring to drive on it. Oevere teacot which, like the present, was determined to do what was rigor. sets cure th it the present Government this country ; it wa. no t t o them',bet to the people that could not lank f u r m u d, eop p p or t f rom th e A r i s t a o f they must look, and if they 811001 be defeated upon the qoestioo of Reform in that House, he would tell them, let them ilistolve !het House —( Loud cheers) —and let diem app. al to the people, dm: , he would answer for it dust the people would give them a tiinterhent majority.— (Continued cheering.) That wee the cotife !which be (Mr. Aieberly) woMil recommend :Ministers ta Wept under earth eireemstancee, and by pursuieg it they might reckon with conVence open the support of the people. Mr. T. P. COURTENViIIe contended, that the late Government professed acid inirsited the principle of re trenlOhtnent and economy more than any prectolin Go vernment e'er had done. The reduction.' which they bail diet.d were not conrmed merely to the salaries of clerks, but they extended to those oft:cee which were 'many given fir the purpose of patronage.. That iit?rosiple had been rigidly acted upon by the Duke of Wellington iN;iY.: at the heal of the late Government. Lord GEORGE BENTINCK could state, in answer to what fell from an Hurt. Alemlier opposite, respecting the gaieties of Amhassethire, that the A tnbaseador of the citizen King of the French and the reformed Chamber. had, at this moment, a salary of 12,0001. a year, acid a house, the came as our Amhastodor at Paris. Lord JOHN RUSSELL, without Filing into the va• done points that ha I b 'en introduced, a fit Operortnnity of discussing which would occur hereafter, would say it woid or two to point out the errors which sonic Hon. Members had fallen into as to true Reform. With respect to Am bassadors, he did not say that some reductions might not be made in their salaries, but he must say more were net paid more than those of other countries at tide motet. On the subject of the reduction of the office of Lord•Lieutei mint, he hail not voted when it was brought forward be fore. Haviug some doubt on the case, he had not at tended that debate. He would, however, now etate that the keeping up of that office wits not consistent with no tions of strict economy ; lint he put it to the Hon. Mem. her whether, in the present excitement in England, it would be a well-timed economy to do that which would tend to cause discontent and excitement in Ireland, merely because Hon. Members, now at that (die Ministerial) side of the House, bad once r xpreseed an opinion that it ought to be reduced? Would it not he bett r to Wait for a more favourable opportunity of reduction of that part of the establishment ? On the subject of the government of the Duke of Wellington, he had on a former occasion ex pressed his opinion that that government was less corrupt and mu; e, eminumical than those which had preceded it, and he acid en still, but he mug also say that it did net understand the real cheuntatancis and feelings of the country. Of the want of economy Of former Govern , memo they had the tali st denin'tig 'stoas on the tkWe tel the Hotiee, which ought to make tome individuals blush tor those connected with them. He did not arty this of the Duke of Wellington, hut there were instances of pro ffigete expenditure which it would be the duty of Govern- Silent to restrain, or expose the country to a stoic. lie repeated that the Duke of Wellington's government did not underetand the true feelings of the country; they Acted on an avowed resistance to Reform, which, in his opinion, if longer delayed, would undoubtedly have exposed the mo narchy and the aristocracy in one common ruin. Mr. T. 13. LENNARI) declared hie entire confidence in the present Government. If Hon. Members asked what they had done, let them recollect that they wire now only three weeks in office ; but even in that time they had evinced a disposition to take those steps of economy and retrenchment which the at - maiden of the country required. Mr. cirrissor PELHAM next addressed the House, but was altogether in audible in the l gidiery • Air. HUME wished to know from the Nelde Lord whether he would consent to suspend all promotion in the army and navy for one year, until time should be given to inquire what reductions big lit be manic in the dead weight, We had now eight naval officers for one that was necessary, and of army officers an immen e number more than was wanted, yet the system of promotion and commission* were going on, thus adding to., the perms. rent expense of the country. He would ven‘ure to say, that promotion was going on under the late Government SA rapidly es when we had a thiamin(' pentinnte floating on the ocean, and a force of 600,000 men under arm.. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it was intended to take the dead weight into consideration, to ascertain how far the country could be relieved by re ductions in that way. He was disposed to be as sparing of promotion as circumstances would permit ; but lie owned he could not suspend all promotion for one year. It would be extremely injurious to the public service, par ticularly in the naval service. Sir GEORGE CLERK said, that in justice to the Noble Lord lately at the broil of the Admiralty, he ought to state that he had made a rule not to dive any promo tion until three vacancies (recurred in that class. A simi lar errangement had been made with reepect to the ma rines. These had met the expressed approbation of the Hun. Member for Middlesex, who hoped that the Nuble Lord, at that time at the head of the War Department, would adopt a similar practice with respect to the army. He uilmitted that it would it would be unfair to press too hard on Ministers in individual cases. He was more diso pored to Joule at the tvhole principle of reduction on which they acted ; but they must remember that if such cases were now poised, it arose from the conduct of many Hon. Members now at the other (the Ministerial) aide, who, %vireo they sat at that (the Opposition) side, were' not content with viewing the whole principle of reduce' tion, but were constantly- urging Government on indivi duel cases. The Noble Lurd (John Russell) had said that the Duke of Wellington's Government lied not un derstood the principle of economy. lie (Sir George Clerk) hoped that the present Government would be able to carry their Views of economy to the SAMS extent, but he fuss e d they would find it difficult to carry them to the extent which would he required at their hande. Mr. 11013 HOUSE observed that he and his Hon. Friends iu the same situation with himself were greatly embarrassed by having two Governments, the late and the present, to deal with. In his opinion it had been truly stated by the Noble Lord, the Paymaster of the Forces, that the Duke of Wellington did not understand the feet jogs of the times, and did not go along with them as he ought in the . belief of the necessity of the utmost economy and retrenchment. At the rune time ire was ready to confess that the late AdininietrAtion had gone as far as the corrupt system of that House and of the Constitution of the Government allowed them. Ent with respect to their going limiter, to their trying a new and constitutional mode of governing the country, that House had the best evidence to the contrary in the declaration made by the Noble Duke hinted'', who had told the House of Lords, and it Will fertellitte fur that House, and fur the country, that he had openly told them he was determined nut to try that new system which this country was now resolved, and the present Government determined, should be tried for the salvation of the community.... (Hear, bear.)---He would not cavil with the opinion of that . illuetrinui person, but he believed that the Noble Duke WAS consistently the friend of the old, 14 Its (Mr. Hohbouse) and his kinds were of the,aen , system. Un der these eircurnstauces, he could not hot believe that the Noble Lord was right in saying that the Duke of Wel lington did not understand the circumstances of the Cowie Thole circumstances were such that no Government could now succeed without trying the new system : lie defied them to do without it. lie lived, perhaps, more amongst the people, for he was one of the people, than most other other Members, and he knew their opinions. He Wes sure that if gentlemen saw the circumstance* and signs elf the times, as he saw them, they must be convinced that public opinion was running in a current which could not now he opposed by the present Government, and would never by any who might follow them, be in the slighteet degree controulled.—(Hear, beer.) lie had no doubt that the present Ministers meant well—how could be doubt it?...-.he, who bad for so many years fought side by side with theme—who had heard their oft-expreseed opinions on the questions of Reform and Retrenchment—how could Ire believe that they were own who would betray and destroy at once their duty to the people and to them selves ? He bad the beet guarantee to the contrary-- he had that of their °wit charactor—he had the knowhelge of them privately, and he saw what wee their course in their public duty. His confidence in them had rather increasol ..thiriug the last three weeks ; he had heard from that beech language which be never expected to have heard from it—he meant the language of patriotism from men in of who wore mat in whom he conCled. They had not only not dienged their opinion and their etuadurt, but had rather given greater pledges of the sincerity of their tinnier opi. tuns. They placed their dependence ott the people, end they maild not be disappointed; het he wished to guard client az lime the adviee givea them by the Yore. and Right Hon. Members who sit on that side of the House, having recently come over there fermi the rporisite benchee. Hy some of there honourable Meuiltele it had lately been said that John Bull was -a great gentleman, end of course must have servants like a great - irentleuruo—servanta, in 1 fact, who, like those of Doe Quixote, would do what they pl nosed with their mast e rs. I n th a t mom:. the e reat gentleman would he in a fair way to become A poor eentleroce, He protested against the use of such hotline:it, and he areittred the House that the public felt most strongly eley could not alillird to play the great gentleman in that outliner. Sc far from it, indeed, that the public did not tike even their efficient officers to be overpaid. It was attprowil that the public did not think the omen overpaid who really did the !Animate of the State— it was a mistake, there was a general—almost an uni.. yenta; feeling, that many Of them were over-paid ; and, if I the public wish were attended to. many of them would be reduced ; end it must be attended to, in order to keep pub lic faith, and to support those berthene Which enabled the country to keep ifself in its present situation iti Europe. He repeated his caution . tat hie friends opposite, sod he i gave them this advice in a spirit of true friendships for, when ;:r, observed the Hon. and Right Hoe. Gentlemen newly arrived on that side of the Howie cheering the Ho nourable Gentlemen opposite, he began, like a celebrated character of antiquity, to teepee that the latter had said some very foolish thing. Ifs called on them, therefore, to depend on themselves, and on then:reeler/ alone ; for he lie- Hever! that they had bath the will and the power to do meal service to the toontry—he believed, indeed, as was said of them the other night, that they were pissed between the country and destruction. He was happy to ire that they were nut *opposed in a vexations enstiner—a circom. stance which did infinite credit to the Right Hon. Gentle man, late Secretary for the Home Deportutent.—(llsar, hear, hear.) No symptomi ef faction had yet appeared in that Mane ; he trotted it would be left te the other [loose of Parliament, or to lay other place--(hear, bear). — hut let them remember, that they were tent thither by the people to do the work of the people for the benefit of the people..--(Hear, bear, hear.) While he had reason to 1 khink the Ministry held the same sentiments All those they formerly professed, and while they seemed to art on those sentiinente, they should hive his sordid support. Mr. 11. 'MISS did not wish to hart it go forth that he had given his stiviee that salaries should be touched at one aide or the other. What he advised was, that the re duction* should only extend to offices held at the pleasure of the Crown, but not to those held for life. Mr. I-1011110USE explained. O'CONNOR DON said stew words, inandihle in the gallery. Mr. BLANEY said that the present Administration had come in upon the principles of reweaehment and reform, and upon those principles clone he would give them his support, and that he would abandon ilium when they &- Betted their principles, The SPEAKER then 1,4 the Chair, and The CHANCELLOR of the 11C.XCHEQUER said, that in the motion he was about to make he thought the hest course he could ;tonne was to state the supplies he in tended to require, and then to set forth the ways and mewls. .The vote he required wits, en account of the army, 7,450,0001,, for the navy 6,694,0001., for the ordnance 169,5001., and for the ittiwellineone expenditure 1 930,0001., snaking in time whale 16,00.0001. This, with payments amounting to 750.0004 on account of Ex. elieqUer Mlle, and 300,0001 on account of the Cird List, would make a total of 17,698,000/. To meet this sum there would be received from the Elio India Company 60,0001., a surplus of last year of 85,0001., on account of the sugar dole* 3,000,0001., re-payments of Exche quer Bills 182,000/, anti from the Consolidated Fund 12,500,0001, making a tote', of is,ats,stool. In order to make up the amount of 3liti supply, Him would. be re quired a aunt of 1,850,0004. *0 be Worn from the Comm. Waled Fund. The supplies having been voted !by the late Milliliters, he was not easel upon to defend them, but he c re o d ti u li c i e u d u c i ll i t e rrit e h l a i : u il l es t. i b b a ia. " .7 llt o he w7o s Po lP rfo s o r l t lY br w r e r il u o u st jd a i r: that the expectations ef tits. wintry wow great, but he begged to say that the desire which hand his friends en.. tertained to effect every • poasildt redaction .Was real and earnest, and if the reduction should proveleas than were expected, he still trusted that the eountly would give theirs respect for their intentions. ile should now move that the suns of 1,850,0001. los granted front the Comoolittetett Fund, towards the ways and means of Hie 'current year. Mr. 11. GORDON hilted that the Government would make their estimates next year, so that there would be no necessity to watch them so closely, and that he might say upon this subject that his aveeation was gone. These mr titnates were made on the Ist of Joinery, printed in Fe bruary, and not voted until June or July, so that they could nut be tinder the controel of the Homo. An feet, the town was AlreielY spent before, the Ifintee,wita walled upon to vote it. When the Mow was taut year milled upon s 4 vote 100,0001. for the repairs of Windsor .Getttle s • -.75.0001. , of the money was already spent. The Ft 104. 040intites.-m cry voted one year in advance, and therefore..thesapenditure was tinier the controul of the Chambers. , Ale hoped. that next Session the estimates would he fur at least six quarters. Ht regretted that Government had been filling tip several offices which were totally ineMelent. The Nabletord,who now filled the Woolsack hail rascally argued.ime that .lionise that the wountry had a right it expect that the Crown would resign all its rights in the Dnehy ofLaneasters and he hoped that the new Ariminietretion would follow op this opinion. lie regretted that Ministers bad 6161 up the office of Postmaster-General, although five eoccesteivie Committees; had positively recommended that the office should be abo lished. He could assure the Noble Lord that be.stood in a roost enviable situation--(livar end laughter).-olie mations the enviable situation of proving Want& the friend of t h e people, and in his efforts to do this ht might depend upon being hacked by the country at large. The Noble Lord ought at once to sweep away all nail** Oftliee and patron. age, and he would make far himself a name by far trans.' cending wliat could he derived from ancestry, a. greater name than any person had possessed who had Ailed that situation, The CITANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, said, that if the lion. 111ernher expected of him the immediate abolition of every place that was useless, he might seek more than it would be in his power to perform. His in. quiriem, he pledged, should be conducted with rigid tee twiny, and he was eertein!y anxious to reduce as Minh as possible every place that Was not really useful. Where two or mere places might be aombined in one office, be thought that by smiting them a great reduction might be made. Ile trusted, however, that after the recess he should be able to bring forward some proposition that would convince the House that he was in cameo.— (neer, hear.)—He had never rested the defence of any office upon the influence of the Crown in that House; he had never made our.of arty such expression ; though lie would say that he thought it, rigid in a monarchy, that the links of the chain should ties he so completely disconnected a, 1444 weans, wiehedi Allusion had been made to the office of the Great 'Seal in Sootlited. This wits the only °Moto( the tow! now left in Scotland; it was ooe of greet dignity, and it was specially reserved by the Union, but still the salary cork should be submitted to the Committee. The Great Privy Seal had been alluded to as a modem office, but he could *our* the House that i member of the Cabinet had 110 sinecure, for his duty was onerous end responsible. It would be necessary ilti:atiiceuvilsylae change the I :l ". b ler l he ne o M i nister, lll : h r h re o n a d t : 64 y a l l di a r ; ; 6 l a be : i d e f) y a s i :11 Ira. He y l: abolished 0 o's to a ste v i o f e u r t t a b h4 l: e i iO sensor c pa t hete tronage—atteh as the Vice- Treautureihip of' Irelands' and the junction of the Treasurership of 401441 ind the Board of Trade. They *leo ebollehed 'the effitse if Preit.Master. Gomel of lreleml, and that' of Liiiiinant.fleneral of the Ordinate*, and 'a scale of rodietiii wotild hi' extended to *mailer places. &Vett ur sight "aim not reported ageism by any Committee had been' abolished. With respect to the office of Post-Matter-Garterol s it atertelaly had been reported against by A Cortimittite, bet he hoped that the arraneements to be mad. in this department would meet with the approbetion of that , them He could aunts the country the he did not fie' himself in a viry enviable si tuation. Much tiptcratioa had bets raises! by thoor With whom for years he had Wert acittetotntol to act, and - he thought they ought to give him tomtit that he would nut de‘ert the what(' conduct of hit life. Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN expresecl his entire cc. tisfaction at what slur Noblo Lord had declartd, end said that he for one woo dioposti to plate tonlidenco in his professions. lt - fr. lIUAW thought that all estimates ought' to he laid before the House for three mouths before any rote upon them was calird for. The war military establishment ought not to he kept op in time of pow, antl he Will afraid that Minibtent would be throwing away tiiillioe s whilst they were seeing slily "thousands. The *netted t aco , he maintained, ought, to be rediseed, esid the Cr own lauds should be s old. This Duchy of Corriwiel was managed au as to product only 6,000/: a year, whilot scoured fifteen Member, in that Haus*, Sir J. YORKE had alwayit hoard 'that extremes wcro had, but of all extremes, that of putting dowu the force of the country at a onsia like the littiestal Wo" 14 be the very worst—the very proposities uo g i k t to rnitio any Hun. Alembar to a straight Wailktalliv The # ,n";"' m Was a time at w hi s k t h e ar ta4l 4.400 1141*