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for the purpose of enforcing the paymenrof tithes in I Ireland." Lord ALTHORP said it would be unnecessary for the Hon. Member to propose such an amendment, because! his Majesty's Ministers had in contemplation that which, while it would reserve the rights of the clergy, and secure to them what fairly belonged to faem, would relieve the G .vernment'of Ireland from the necessity of enforcing the measure passed during lest session for the commuta tion of tithes. He hoped that the proposition was one which would secure to the clergy their just riebta, and he was sure it would save the people from any unneces sary pros. cation for arrears which. might he due by them. Mr. O'CONNELL hoped that the Noble Lord would, then, consent to the suspension of the enforcement of the payment of tithes by means of tLe police for the present. Collisions were happening frequently between the peep!, and the police. Even that very day he had got an account of an unfortunate transaction which had happened in the county of Cork. The miserable people bed attacked party of police who were empl eyed to levy tithe*, anti the police found it necessary to fire, when three or four of the penple were killed. That was in a parish were he knew that there were not thirty Protestants. He hoped that tie Noble Lord would consent to the suggestion. There was another matter of which the people complained ; that the police when they cot payment of tithes from the people, refuted to give them an acknowleoginent for the money. E , en in Roscommon—a county which w quite quiet, the police, when they levied tithes, refused to give any vouchers. Nord ALTHORP said that it was impossible for the Government to suspend the laws for the enforcement of tithes. Mr. O'CONNELL did not mean to press the Noble Lord to put an end to tithes. But the present system of enforcing them was so opprersive to the people—so de structive of human life—so harassing to the peasantre so ruinous in its consequences, as regarded the Govern ment—and so contrary to every just feeling, and to the dictates of religion, teat he put it to the House whether they should be enforce d while those measures were in progress? If the Noble Lord were to suspend the en forcement of tithes, he (Mr. O'Connell) was sure that be should have the most respectable majority with him, in support of that measure, that he ever had since be went into office. Was the Noble Lord an are of the state of suffering of the Irish people? This was the period of the year wh. n they suffered more than at any other period. The late crop was exhausted, and they had nothing for their support till the next crop came in; and the misery awl want to which they were subjected was incomprehen sible to any person who did not see it. If the Noble Lord would accede to her suggestion, be (Mr. O'C.) was sere that it would in a great measure allay the ferment lAA the passing of the measure then before the Com mit tte would necessarily produce in Ireland. Mr. STANLEY said that the Hon. and Learned Member must be aware that it was impossible for the Government to accede to his proposition. He (Mr. S entry) did not know what the Hon. and Learned Mem ber meant by saying that the police levied tithes in Ire land. There were two ways in which the police were employed in connection with the collection of tithes. One , 1 wa , where they were employed to prerect the clergy in the levying of their tithes ; and the other, where ti ey collected the tithes by order of the Government in those districts where money was advanced by th e G overnmen t on the tithes, as vote d by Parliament during last session. But he could say that none were employed on the part of Government to collect tithes, nho wete not in the iiielor classes, and who had not distinguished themselves in sup pressing the disturbances. He denied that Government bad proceeded against any persons in arrear who could have any difficulty in pk ing his tureen, or who had fat en into arrears from real poverty They only pro ceeded against those who opposed payment from a syste matic resistance to them. He could not say in what manner the clergy enforced their claims, but he again asserted that the Government enforc• d payment from those on y who were able to pay. He (Mr. St inlee) thought the Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin was incorrect in his information, ashen he stated that the po lice refused to give receipts to those who paid them money. Mr. O'CONNELL was always anxious to avoid making inaccurcee statements, and he did not think that the in formation on which he made that one was erroneous. When the police acted in the enforcement of tithes, the peo without drawing the nice distinction drawn by tne Right Hon. Secretary, considered that they did t.o by the orders of Government, and ireseed that their acts were the acts of the Government. In Roscommon none but t , e police were employed to levy tithes. And as to the refusal of the police to give vouchers, which was dou ted # y the Right Hon. Secretary, he (Mr. O'Con nell) was sure that information might be got in London to peopt'e cfrere4 to nn 'pay them arrears,ifs - Itiiy Courd i se.mhers, but they were refused. He (Mr. O'Conitell) was ears the menhir Member for Rosoommon, if he were in the House, roul I confirm what he said. OCO NNOR DON said that the Hon. and Learned Meath. r was rig t io his statement. H. (O'Connor D on ), was aware of several instances in the quarter of the coun try with which be was acquainted, where the people wete . . ready to pay, it they rou ti get v, , ucher,—(Hear.) Mr. 1 RENCH (we understood) denied that •treh was the univ.r.al practice. The tith,a in one of the largest parishes in that part of the country were not one-loitieth part the rent. - An IIoN. MEMBER sail thst the general impres•inn in Ireland was. that the Bill was merely intended for the enforcement of tithes. Air, LAMBERT, since the Bill had passed the House of Lord., bad received many letters fiom Ireland, in which it .rated, that if they did not thi n k it was i nten d e d for pp - urpose of aiding the clergy in the enforcement of he lies, they %honld have little objec ion to jr. Mr. TALBOT (Athlone) would nut Lave voted for the first and erciind reading of the Bill, it he had not been nod, r the impression that it was not meant fur the en forcement of tithes. With regard to a statement made by an Hon. Alemb:r on a form, t evening, OA he (Mr. Teel. hot) had been a member of a "'untied! Union, he denied that he had ever b. crime so with his knowledge or consent. Mr. O'CONNELL h. g_!e4 leave to rea a letter which _ . _ _ lie had received from Mr. John Joseph Mut phy, of Dublin, which would show the Hou•e what that gentleman's cur sion of the story was. The Hon. Mentb.r then read the letter, in which it was stated that Mr. Talbot accompanied the writer and Mr. Fiend' to the meeting of the Trades' Union. While there, Mr. Murphy asked Mr. Talbot to olliPw him (Mr. M.) to put him into nomination. Mr. Talbot answered, " Not now." Mr. Murphy then pro posed that he should he put in nomination at the ntxt meeting ; to which Mr. Talbot did not only not object, but even assented ; and accordingly be was proposed, anti pule a member. A few days a terwards Mr. French re eeived a letter from Mr. Talbot, who by that time haul gone to Athlone, in which he stated that he feared it plight do him an injury with his constituents if it were known that ha was a member of the Union, and begging of Mr. French to get his name withdrawn. From all this it would be seen that Mr. Talbot was aware that he was made a member, and that he consented to be put in nomination. A ter a few words from Lord ALTHORP, whic'a were inaudible in the gallery, Mr. TALBOT said, chat the version given by the Hon. Member for Tralee was very different from what he bad formerly heard from Mr. French. He (Mr. Talbot) was not ashamed of having attended the meeting of the Union. He went there merely from curiosity, just as he had once gone to the Rotunda to hear the Hon. Member lecture on the state of the Church. Mr. HENRY GRATTAN said, that the Attorney- General had incurred expenses to the amount of 201. fur sbg recovery of a few shillings of tithe. He thought it would he better that the enforcement of the arrears should lie over for three months. kir. SHAW asked if the clergy were to be the only c i as . of ,his Majesty's subjects who should not have the protection of the laws ? The Government could have no more right to suspepd the payment of tithes thin to sus pend the payment of rent to landlords. Lord ALTHORP said, that if outrages were commit ted, they should be punished became they were outrage., - „ not beoinse they had ref rence to tithe. Mr. CI:CONNELL said that the additional powers were merely fur the enforcement of tithes. It was a Titbe Bill from beginning to cud, Mr FINN thought that his Majesty's Ministers should avow what the real object of rlu. Bill was. Mr. SHELL said that the Noble Lord opposite denied that the intention of the Bill was to enforce tithe*. H e did not mean to say that the intentioa of the Government was, that as soon as a decree WiB given against a min for tithes, that decree should be delivered over to the soldiers to put in force. But though the Ministers did not go so far as that, they went further than they pretended. There was in this Act a distinct reference to an Art of Parlia ment which referred exclusively to tithes. The Act 27th Geo. related exc usively to tithes, and it was embodied in the fill; then before them. There was a series of enact ments in that Ac►, which related net to property in gene ral, but exclusively to tithes. Teat the Not.de Lord could nor, and did not deny. An Hox. 111101Beit said the Act to which he had referred was the Whiteboy Act. Mr. SEIEIL—No; it was Dot '.;he Whiteboy Act. The Whiteboy Act was the ibth and 16gli of Go. 111. He I thought it a pity that some of the l a w officers of the 1 Crown—the Solicitor-General, for instance—should not I be present, to set the House right when they were at a loss about statutes.—(Hear.) What he charged the Go vernnient with was this—that they passed a measure as general measure, the last clause of which must tie in ended by them for the peculiar and specific protection of one class of individuals. That 'was his allegation. Did the Bill not refer to the Act 27 Geo. 111. ? It did. [Mr Stanley here rose to make some observation, when Mr. Sheil exclaimed, " Now, don't be angry."3—(A laugh.) Did the Bill refer to the 11th clause of that Act ? It did. Did not that Act refer to tithes?—lt did.—(Hear.) Did net. therefote, an Act, which embodied the whole of the provisions of that section of the 27th Geo. 111. refer to tithes ? And wis it not intended for the protection of the clergy ?—(CI eers,) He did not ask the Ministers not to deceive them ; but he asked them not to deceive themselves, by imagining that they (the Irish) could be lieve that a Bill, which embodied the whole provisions of an Act which referred entirely to tithes, was not intended for the protection of the clergy alone, and to enable them to earn., the payment of those tithes. Mr. STANLEY said that, as he before stated, the Bill was not intended for the protection of tithes exclusively, thoueh of course ti hes would meet with the protection which would be extended to other property. He would rep at, that a measure was about to be brought forward l's his 51 ijetity's G v. -foment, for the purpose of putting tith.s on a footing which he hoped would be satisfactory to alt patties. Mi. O'CONNELL s 'id, this was emphatically a Tithe Bill—it was intended for the protection or tithe•property principally, Hied exclusively ; for the only protection Riven by it to landed property in general was, that off nces com mitted avainst it may he tried before a courtmartial. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman tin n adverted to the 11th section of the 27th George 111., which imposes the pu nishment of implis"nment and whipping —no; the whip ping had been emitted afterwards, as some dissatisfaction had been exhibited, that a courtmartial should have it in their power to inflict whipping on any person convicted of doing any thing to defraud a clergyman of his dues ; but the re was no mention made of bringing questions of frauds on property in general before the courtsmartial. Lord ALTHORP said, the section alluded to was not [ directed against any one person fur an individual fraud on the clergyman of his tithes, but against persons who entered into illegal combinations against tithes in general. or to offer any obstacles to clergymen in the free disposal of their property. The only possible way in which a man could come within the operation of the clause, would be the entering into such a combination. No individual simple act of fraud could implicate him, and he would defy the Hon. and Learned Member to produce any in stance to the contrary. 311.. O'CONNELL was not singular in his construction of this clause. Many of the crown nfficers—among others Mr. Barrington, the crown solicitor for Munster—had acted upon this construction. It had been considered that any kind of obstacle or obstruction in the way of the cler gyman—whether individual or congregate—was unlawful. That gentleman's own evidence would show distinctly (and this curie from an Officer of the Crown) his opinion, that the doing any act to defraud a clergyman of, or pre vent him from raisin g Iris tithes, is a misdemeanor, and punishable accordingly. Tne present Bill now was wholly a Tithe Bill ; and if not applied in the protection of tithe property it would be a dead letter; if it were ap• plied to such purposi-a it would be a living letter—a letter writ en in char icters of blood. Lord ALTHORP denied that any person had been so punished ter the niere personal fraud of tithe. Mr. O'CONNELL instituted some parallel, as far as we could understand, with reference to the Quakers, who, for 150 years, had persisted in their refusal to pay tithe. The CHAIRMAN would recall the attention of the House, which appeared to him to be wandering from the point, to the clause tinder discussion. He would, there lore, read that clause, " And be it enacted, &c., with the telvice of his Majesty's Privy Council is Ireland." Mr. BARRON moved, as an amendment, that, after the woids "in Ireland," there should be inserted these words : " And on the representation of the County Lieu tenant, and of six Magistrates of any county, county of a city, or county of a town, of such a state tif disorganization and distut bance existing therein, as renders the operation of this A t necessety." Lord ALTHORP did not see that the clause would be any way improved by the proposed amendment. Air. 0 CW.NELL doubted whether it would not make the clause worse than it was. Mr. BARRON thought the addition of the proposed words essential. Mr. H. GRATTAN concurred. He should suggest that the whole body of County Magistrates should be called a • dg.4 e it v te r that the reselutione truistnitted to the Lord-Lieutenant, who could ac cordingly. Co onel PERCE VAL observed that there was no County Littnen nt in Siige. At, Hoer. 111 EMBER explained that the Lieutenant for that c.itity lived on the boiders of ir. Mr. BARRON matte some observations as to the fal lat y of sating that there was any obstruction in the course or pu ire justice in Ireland from inability to secure offend ers, or pet duce witnesses or prosecutors. As an instance, there had been a dieadful murder committed only a fee days ago in Ross—that of the late Mr. Leonard. Why, there were already thirty urea in gaol charged will the murder : these bad been all secured by the exertions of by, hundred of be town-people, who had brought the whole of them in wi bout the assistance of the pace. The amendment having been withdrawn (as far as we could under-tend)— The CHAIRMAN proceeded to read the clause, which elici ed an oh.ervation tram Mr. F. O'CoisNox. Mr. STANLEY explained, that couitsinartial would nut he instauted even in proclaimed counties, till the L. rd-Lieuten int found the ordinary course of the Lw ab solutely inefficscious. Air 11. GRATTAN repeated, that such frightful out rages as would infallibly t ke place in a district plociaimed night to be a warning against proclamation on the mere staiensent of any one or tw•o persons. Nothing but the wrong representations of the mist responsible persons in a district 8 , uu d authorize its proclamation. Toe CHAIRMAN proceeded as far as the words " county of a city." Mr. tiHEIL Protested against such an extension o terse po Wel S. Air. ROCHE thought that the sense of the county at large ought to be taken before proclamation was instirnt. d Mr. STANLEY bai.l, there was one good reason why the suggestion of the Hon. and Learned Member should not be agreed to. Suppose a county of a city extended to a large agricultural population in a county which was pro claimed, it seemed to him most unwise to exempt the city jurisdiction trout the operation of the law. Such a juris diction ought not to be exempted. Mr. FINN said, that the county of the city of Kil kenny had such a jurisdiction ; and on a former occasion the Marquis of Wellesley had not placed that jurisdiction unlit r the Insurrection Act. Mr. STANLEY , hankel the Hon. Gentleman for re minding him and the House that it was the Marquis of Wellesley, and not the Legislature, which exempted the district in question Irons the operation of the Act. Might not the Marquis of Anglesea act in the same manner as the Marquis of Wellesley ? Tne Legislature had left it in that case to the discretion of the Lord Lieutenant, and why not in this? Mr. O'CONNELL said, it did not fidlocv because one Lord Lieutenant was considerate and humane, that another would be. It was for the Legislature to prescribe, and not to trust. Mr. HENRY GRATTAN protested against the clause, as establishing a perpetual Dictator in Ireland. It was a premium for agitation. It gave the Dictator power to proclaim any district, and it would enable agitators to procure any district to be proclaimed, and thus gave such agitators a power over every individual in it. After pass ing this clause, it would be better for the Irish Gentle- men to vacate their seats and go home.—(Cheers.) The Government knew nothing of the state of Ireland ; and he knew the Right Hon Secretary too well to be deluded or de:eived by him. lie said that the whole Act and the whole conduct of the Government betrayed the grossest ig_ norance as to the state of Ireland. If the Right Hon. Secretary had applied himself to the business of his office, lie migat hive put down disturbance.—(Cheers.) Yes, if he had done duty, there mig' t have been an end v. 'utrage. But he knew what the Right Hon. Secretary was about : he was sending his lancers and his dragoon , to collect tithe-pigs and tithe-pence, and he knew nAliink of the di.turbaric,s ill they bad got to a great height.— (Hear.) There never way en individual went to Ireland with such powers to do good, and there never was an in- dividu i 1 who had done so little. The Right Hun. Secretary Duty found that every one of his measures was a coal- plete failure; he found that Lis Ti: he Bill eauld not b, nforced; that it was good for nothing; and he called upon that Hume to stpiend the liberties of Ireland, and place that country under a perpetual dictatorship. after the trial, they would try Ireland once more—if they would spare her this additional cume, and withdraw the Right Hon. SeereViry and his Bill for the forcible collec ;ion of tithes, the disturbances would cease, and peace and tranquillity would be restored to the country. He con jured them to pause..to suspend this clause till alter the other clauses were gone through, when some form of words might he found which would render it more definite and less ohnoxinme Colonel PERCEVAL objected to making any distinction between the jurisdiction of counties of cities and other die. trios, and supeornd the clause. Mr. O'CONNELL would, at the proper time, move to exempt the jurisdiction of the county of the city of Dublin from the operation oaf this clause. Mr. D ROCHE -would take the same course as to Limerick. Mr. LYNCH moved a similar amendment as to Galway. Mr. O'DWYER con-ended, that the power given by this clause was of itself calculated to throw the whole country into confusion, and to creete general disturbance. Dr. BALDWIN would seriously ask the Government if it meant to extend this clause to the cities of Dubin, Cork, Limerick, and other towns? Would the Govern ment prevent men from going about their businase, aid compel them to remain at home alter dark? Why, it would prevent them from transacting their ordinary affairs. If any man were to plan a measure to restrain liberty, destroy the interests of industry. and ruin the property and revenue of the country, he could not plan a more effectual measure than this. Mr. LALOR referred to six cases which had happened • in the Queen'. County, in which men had been dietrained on for tithes who did not hold one acre of land each. He knew that personally ; and yet the Right Hon. Secretary said that nobody had been ditto ained on for tithee,•exce a t such as were well able to pay. The assert on of the Right Hon. S-cretary showed that he knew very little about Ireland. Mr. LYNCH moved a verbal amendment to the clause, which w so adopted. Mr. LAMBERT then rose to move an amendment to the end of the clause. He had given his assent to the Bill because of the outtaues and agitation, which must he put an end to. He had seen nothing lately to make him tortn a different opinion. On the contrary, he had lately reed a letter front tine of the agitators, which had been pub lished in a j 'urnal in the county with which he. Was connected, which called on the people of Wexford to wreak their vengeance on his Hon. Colleague and his children for the vote he had given in that House.—(Hear, hear.) He must still support the Bill; but he biped it would be so modified as only to suppress outrage and put down the system of agitation. If so modified, he should give it his support at the third reading. As the Bill now stood, it was difficult not to conceive it to apply to the collection of tithes. The Bill of 1831, which had transferred the rights of the tithe.owners and the odiuin of collecting tithes to the Government—the Bill for forcibly collecting tithes of last session had, as was foretold at the time, signally fail. d, th..ugli Government had used all its means and exerted all its powers in endeavouring to enforce it. The police, though contrary to the Act creating it, had been employed to collect tithes, or at least to protect those who were collecting and valuing tithes. The army, too, bad been brought out, and that was a most perilous experi ment. In one case, when the soldiers hail been employed to enforce the collection of tithes from a poor man's po tante field, they had said that they could not hear it, and they had clubbed together to pay the tithes for the man.— (Hear, hear.) The Biil had increased the danger and had greatly extended the disappointment of the people. He bad in lois possession a petition which described these effects, and which said that there were many per sons but too willing to profit by the discontent of the people. There were some clergymen too, who were not averse from profiting by thus compulsory tithe Bill to create disturbance. For a time the operation of the Act had been suspended—the war had been stayed—but the campaign had been again begun. " The war which for a space did fall, Now trebly thundering swells the gale. And Stanley is the cry!" The Right Hon. Gentleman was the heir to a great name —noble blood flowed in his veins—and he hope) that the generous, the chivalrous feelings which belonged to high birth and noble descent, would induce the Right Hon. Gentleman to listen to the appeal which he made. He believed that the amendment lie meant to propose would tranquillize the country. It would not, indeed, render the measure palatable to the people; it was not palatable to himself, except as it was absolutely necessary on account of the agitation and outrages. He had received letters from several persons in the county he represented, who stated that some measure of this kind was most neces sary. The Hon. Member concluded by proposing to add to the end of the clause a proviso to the effect—" Pro vided always, and be it enacted, that it shall not be lawful for the Lord-Lieutenant, or any Chief Governor or Go vernors of Ireland, to apply the provisions of this Act to any county or district, merely because the tithes are not paid in that county or district ; nor shall this Act be at any time applied, in any manner whatever, to the levying ...Imes, or to enforce the payment thereof." Tr...• lo At A LA, .et.ontieds the amendment. After the promise wade by the Nettle Lord (Alt horp), that tee Act should not be extended to the levying of tithes, he could not conceive what possible obj -c ion could be offered to the amendment now proposed. Teis witule mace if quite clear what was intended, which was doubtful as the Bill was now drawn. If they referred to the 27th George 111. they would see that it oily applied to the collection of tithes. On looking to that clause they would see that the present Bill could not be interpreted in any other way than as a BB for collecting tithes. If it were admitted that it was not intended to apply this Bi.l to the coil- ction of tithes, except steps were taken to die hide any person frown collecting tithes, he did not see why they should not express such ti thing in the Bill. He thought the Nettle Lord was bound in honour to place a limitation on the Bill as tar as not aeplying it to enforce the cull. ction of tithes. He believed that the Noble Lord was disposed to pet form his promise.; but it . the Nettl e Lord left the clause as it still stand, he rhould consider it a direct bre .clt of the Nodule Lord's promise. Lord ALTHORP did not take any objection to the first part of tote amendment. He dud not wish that par , of the Bill which was directed against outrages to be ap plied to the non paytnent of tithes. With respect to the latter part of the amendment he felt some doubt. Ile could state that it was not really intended to apply the Bill as his Hon. Ftiend inteipreted. His Hon. Friend had spoken of the llth clause of the 27th Geo. 111. That clause, as he had already stated, did not apply to anything but a forcible obstruction to levying tithes, and court nor, therefore, be made to apply to any hing which a civil court could settle. If outrages grew out of the tithe sys tem—if (obstructions were practised and persons injured, ten the outrage- would fall wider this Bill. The clause of the 27tb Geo. 111. referred to forcible obstructiomt, and could not he inaoe to apply to mei ely civil processes. He did not, therefore, see the necessity of the limitation He was ready to say, as he had already said, that if he thought it were possible that this Bill could be applied in the manner proposed—to the levying and collection o: tithes—he, agreeably to his promise at its first introduc tion, would he ready to agree to the clause; but he did not think the Bill could be so interpreted. If the effect of the amendment were, or might be interpreted, to do away enterely with the application of the powers of this Act to offences connected with resi , tance to the payment of tithes by combination, force, or violent (distinction, then he should most certainly object to the amendment. It was said, that under the 27th Geo. 111., the refusal to - - pay tithes was already a misdemeanor. He did not, how ever, consider that to be the case; and he had asked the Honourable and Learned Gentleman opposite whether since that Act was pas-ed, he knew any single instance of an individual being convicted of a misdemeanor for refusing payment of tithes ? The Hon. and Learned Gentleman answered in the negative, but he said he did not know how far the judgment of the judges might carry them. For forty-six yeats, therefore, no such case had occurred. As far, however, as conspiracies to prevent the payment of tithes were concerned, he thought this Bill ought to apply to prevent illegal combinations. ( Hear.) It could not be applied for the purpose of aiding justice, except when some violent or forcible obstruction was opposed to the payment of tithes.—(H,ar, heat.) To the earlier part of the provision proposed by his Hon. Friend, he had no objection—be meant that part which went to prevent the Lord-Lieutenant Irons applying the powers of this Bill to any district, merely because tithes ,'ere not paid there. To the latter part, however, lie objected for fear of misconstruction, as he conceived the present Bill ought to be applicable in all cases of forcible esistance to the collection of tithe.—(Hear, heir.) Mr. O'CONNELL—The Noble Lord did not object to the first part of the amendment, but he feared it was only becaure, if agreed to, it would be found to be inoperative It was true that he knew no instance of a mere refusal to pay tithes having been dealt with as a misdemeanor ; hut he knew several cases where a distress had been issued, it a refusal to the bailiff to enter upon the land, or of saying to bun, "You shall not take nay corn," might be con sidered. The Noble Lord might imagine that this Act could nut he applied to the collection of tithes, but if be left the 27th of George the Third to be interpreted against them, he would assuredly find himself mist iken. Mr. LEFROY implored the Noble Lord not to intro• Ince any unnecessary saving or exception :into the clause, is the Irish people would be sure to interpret it as a license r permis ion to resist the payment of tithes.—( Hear.) Mr. CUTLAR FERGUSzt.;ON contended that the 27th Geo. 111. should be excepted, because the eleventh section , n i ght b e applied to combinations not to pay tithes. Mr, WARBURTON wished to ask a question, whether an agreement not to purchase the goods effected at the dif ferent tithe sales which had taken place had not been considered to be an unlawful conspiracy ?—(Hear.) If iin, then what breathe of the reasons of the Noble Lord opposite (Althorp), who maintained that the Act was only to he applied to cases of violence and force? If the Noble Lord was sincere in this desire, the only mode of obtaining it was to except the eleventh section of the 27th Gen. 111 Mr. FINCH certainly thought this Bill ought to be used as little as possible for the collection of tithes ; but if, in consequ• nee of such co'leclion, any outrage ensued, then be considered it might fairly be applied. It would almost seem, horn the discussion on this and former even ings, that to enforce the legal claim of tithe was contrary both to rquity and law. —(Hear.) It was quite a mistake to imagine that the opposition to tithes sprung mainly from the distressed state of the poor of Leland. The evidence of Dr. Doyle, where he boasted of having com menced the opposition, proved that it had a very different souice. Mr. PRYME said, the clergy, if tithe offences were excepted from this Act, would still have the power- of pr ,secuting tithe offenders under the numerous other Acts in existenee. They all knew how difficult the most dis tinguished lawyers had found it to define what was ~n illegal combination ; and yet this difficult question they were about to leave to the decision of a coortmartial.— (Cheers.) He thought the II th clause of the Act re ferred to should be excluded, and that the clergy should stand in the same situation as the landlords. Mr. SHAW—There could be no doubt that a conspi racy against the payment of tithes watt a misdemeanor punishable at taw, and that it would be punished even if the clause were excepted; but such an exception would have a string tend- ney to encourage the deluded people in their resistance. He did not object to a restriction in the Act to prevent its being applie 1 to the enforcement of civil claims; hut why should the claims of the clergy be specifically pointed out? Let the language tie sufficiently extensive to include those claims ; but he objected to naming the clergy as invidious, and likely to encourage resistance to the payment of tithe. For the last three years nearly, the clergy of Ireland had been unable to obtain payment of their tithe.—(oh !) He had moved for returns which he hoped would be laid on the table of the House in a few days, which would prove that on the average of the last three years this was the fact. Mt. STANLEY was sure that the Hon. Member for Wexford, in bringing forward the amendment, had no other object in view than that of promoting the peace of his country, and causing it to promote as little excitement as was consistent with its efficacy. He trusted also that the Hon. Gentleman would do him the justice to believe, that he was animated by a similar motive. He wished the Hon. Gentleman bad postponed the introduction of the amendment till they came to the clause relating to the courtsmartial, to which it more properly belonged. However, as they had proceeded thus far in the discussion it would certainly be more convenient that they should now come to some understanding. He agreed with his Noble Friend, who stated that it was by no means the in tention or wish of his Majesty's Government to apply the Act to the enforcement of any civil process for the levying of tithes.—(Hear, hear.) At the same time he was ex ceedingly anxious that no clause of this Bill should, as the Hon. and Learned Member for the University of Dublin had suggested, have the appearance of making any distinc tion between the clergy and others. The 27th George 111. contained several provisions for the protection of this particular species of property. The 11th douse might he said to refer to two distinct classes of offences—first to civil offences—if be might use the term—to conspiracy and corn b.nation merely ; secondly, to a resistance to a legal right, accompanied hy violence or outrage. He wished, if possible, without taking away the protection given by the 27th Geo. 111., against the first class of offences, to introduce smile words to show that the powers given by this Act were only to be directed against the latter ciass of offences—namely, those accompanied with violence and outrage.—(Cheers.) If the Hon. Member for Wex• ford concurred in this, and from his cheers he hoped be (lid, he had drawn out some words which he proposed to introduce after the 17th clause, which related to the powers to be confided to courtsmartial ; the words, if not fund sufficient, might be altered before they arrived at that stage; but as he had at present drawn it, he should propose this clause—" Provided nothing herein contained shall authorize such courtmartial to try any person charged under any of the aforesaid Acts with any confe deracy or combination, unless accompanied with violence or threats."—(Cheers.) As to the first part of the amendment, there could be no objection to it ; but he did not see how it could afford greater security than the pledge of the Government, that no district. should be pro ciaimed merely b cause tithes were not paid. Mr. J. GRATTAN b lieved that th e Gee,..e,..e, oe lipped to the colleetine • tithes ; but he contended that from its very nature it would he .pplied, either directly or indirecly, to the en , foi cement of that claim. He hoped his Hon. Friend on the suggestion of the Right Hon. Gentleman, would withdraw his amendment, and deer the consideration of this part of the subjcct till they arrived at the seventeenth clause. Mt. SHELL commen ed up.in the opinions . expressed by the Hoe. and Learned Member for the University of Dublin. He con ended that the clause ought to be so guarded as to put the application of is to the objects up ken of entirely out of the question. The Chancellor or the Exchequer had stated that he had no injection to one-half of the amendment. The Hon. and Learned Member then made some oliservatione, as we under stood, relative to the remarks of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Mi. S I'ANLEY explained that the machinery of the Bill would not be employed to assist in the collection of te hes, an i that there was no ohjecti.in on the part of the Government to an amendment to the effect, that it should not be has ful for the Lord Lii , utenant to declare any di.- t' ict in a state of disturbance merely on account of a r-- finial of tithes—an amendment which he considered suf ficient to meet the objections which had b en made to the clause. Mr. SHELL dissented from the explanations which the Right Hon. Secretary for Ireland had given of the ex presaiano of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Lord ALTHORP explained that his meaning was, that no district should be proclaimed merely because tithes we, refused. Mr. SHEIL must he mistaken if he had put a wrong interpretation on the word. of the Noble Lord. He had considered that the NAle Lord meant that courtsmartial ihould not take cognizance of char ges re l at i ve to t h e co l. . . lectiun of tithes only, when the offences were not accom pin ed by force and violence. What he submitted was, that the 11th section of the 27th George 111. created a species of offence which would not be excluded by that amendment—viz., a combination to refuse the payment of tithes. In the course which 111,nisters pursued, they de parted from the exatnple of those who brought forward tomer Insurrection A. ts; for they mentioned the offences against which they .ere directed, and the Statutes which referred to these offence.. Unhes the cases to which the 27th Geo. 111. would apply were,iexptess'y exclud d such cases would he intruded in the provisions o' this litl/. Mr. Sergeant PERRIN would support the amendment. His only obj.ct was that the explanations of Aliaisttrs might be embodied in the Bill. Mr. LAMBERT would be quite satisfied if all offences mere exempted from the jurisdiction of courtsioartial, ex cept such as were accompanied with violence ; and he agreed to make an alt e ration i n hi. motion. Lord ALTHORP—If he had expressed himself wrong, could only say now what he really me int. Mr. WARBURTON—He only roce to say that the Act 27 George 111., relative to confederacies and corn hmation4, would enable Ministers to apply the measure proposed to cases to which it ought not to be applied, al though these ca-es might not be accompanied by violence. Mr. SHAW made a few remarks. The question was then put on the amendment altered as follows :—" Provided always and be it enacted, that it shall not be lawful for the Lord Lieutenant or other Chief Governor of Ireland to apply the provisions of this Act to any county or district, mere'y because tithes had peen refused." The House divided, when there appeared— For the amendment Against it Majority O❑ our re•admisssion, we found the Conunittee engaged i n discussing the next clause, and Mr. O'CONNELL caressing an earnest wish, that such an addition should be made to the clause as would give the public the means of ascertaining whether it was wise or expetti,nt that any district proclaimed under the Act should be brought within its operation. He wished that it should be imperative upon the Lord Lieutenant to give public notice i❑ the newspapers on the subject ; and further, that the Lord-Lieutenant should, with re spect to any proclaimed district, be bound to lay before Parliament, if sitting, an account of all felonies within two or three months, at the selection of the Government, committed within such district. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman then moved an amendment to that effect. Lord ALTHORP objected to the amendment as unne cetsary, and said, that if it should be suspected in that House or among the public, that a county bad been im properly proclaimed, any gentleman might move for the return of which the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had spoken, and thus gain all the information that was desired. Sir B. PEEL observed, that if the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had drawn this amendment after the last part of the last clause had been agreed to, he would probably have added a sentence, calling on the Lord Lieutenant to declare that he had not proclaimed a county for non-pay ment or refusal of payment of rent, county craw, or paro chial rates. This was rendered necessary by the:construction of the last clause, which declared that the Lord Lieutenant should not proclaim a county " merely for the non payment of tithes." As he was not to make proclamation for such a reason "merely," it followed of course by im plication, that he might do so for other c ruses. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman must certainly mean to impose on the Lord Lieutenant the same restriction with regard to rent and county cess as that now imposed on him with regard to tithes, and the amendment should be altered accordingly. Mr. O'CONNELL said, that if he were in the vein for pleasantry, he should certainly adopt the suggestion of the Right Hon. Gentleman, but he was not—the matter was too serious for him. He had certainly voted for the last amendment, which he must admit was as nonsensical as any be had ever supported.—(Laughter.) It did not, however, bear the meaning put on it by the Right Hon. Baronet. He should certainly divide the Committee upon his amendment. Tiie ea lery was cleared for a division, when the num. berg app are.. t For the Amendment 77 Against it 215 Majority against the Amendment...-158 It wpis then moved that the filth clause do stand part cc the Bill.—Agreed to. On the sixth clause being put, Mr. BARRON proposed that ''two days' notice" should be given of the proclamation of each district. Mr. STANLEY proposed that the following words be inverted •' from the day after that on which" such procla matron, &c. Mr. O'CONNELL did not think that sufficient time. For let it be recollected, that a district often comm.... bended a whole county. The county of Cork, for instance, might become a proclaimed district, and from one point of it to another there might be a distance of eighty miles. How, then, would the persons of one point know of , he proclamation posted a day before at another? He should propose that a notice of proclamation should be posted on each church and dissenting chapel of the district proclaimed. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL objected to the proposal of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. If notices were posted on each church and chapel, it would be necessaty to prove each such notice, the result of which would be, that the clause would become a dead letter. Mr. STANLEY tiviught a copy of the proclamation posted in a public place of each barony, would be sufficient notice for every individual residing in the barony to know that it was proclaimed. Mr. SHAW observed, with respect to posting notices in baronies, that it did not follow that every county of city, or county of a town, should have a barony. The sixth clause, as amended, was then agreed to. The seventh clause having been put, Mr. STANLEY proposed to leave out those words of the filth line—" And such other persons as such Lord- Lieutenant or other Chief Governor or Governors shall think fit to authorize in that behalf;" and to limit the powers granted by the clause to the persons mentioned in the four first lines. Mr. O'CONNELL proposed that the former words, " all commissioned of f icers commanding his Majesty's forces in Ireland," he omitted. The clause, as it stood, included yeomanry officers as well as those- of the line. To those persons were granted the power "to search for, arrest, and detain for trill every person who shall be charged with any offence," &c. He objected to having this power granted to those persons, and maintained that the House ought to require that such power be intrusted only to persons to whom the service of the process of the law belonged. They should be resident in the country, and consequently not military officers, who, siter abusing the powers intrusted to them, might be ordered off to some extreme end of the globe, and thereby become per_ f ctiy irresponsible for their acts. He would divide the House on his amendment. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL, in saying that he thought he could persuade the Hon. and Learned Gen tleman to withdraw his amendment, made some obser vations, the purport of which was totally inaudible in the gallery, and we should suppose, from the frequent cries ot" Speak nut," equally so in the body of the House. Mr. O . CONNELL, in reply, was old enough to re collect the time .whet. commissioned officers, posses sing the same powers th it were about to be given to them now, abusi-d those powers in the most shameful manner. The power of arrest they exercised for the most flagitious and immoral purposes. When be made this remark, he etnly spoke of toe army as it was then ; what it was now, not bring.. nor Mr: SiIEIL rose to make an observation, when • Mi. STANLEY begged to interrupt the Hon. and Learned Member, in order to state what the Government contemplated with respect to courtsmartial. Or, this head many objections bad been made, and Government was determined to meet them in the best way possible. He alluded in anticipation to the eleventh clause, and said, that after the proviso that no officer shall serve on any suet, Court who shall not have obtained the rank of Captain, it was to be further provided, that no of f icer should nerve who had been on active duty in any pro claimed district a month before the time of the sitting of any courtmartial to try offences committed in such district. Tors further proviso was intended to prevent anything like the effects of prejudice or passion. What the G .vern meut meant to do was to send over from this country a certain number of proper officers to try offences according to the procee ,, ines pointed out to them by the clause. Mr. SHELL said that this last concession proved hoer necessity it was to use pertinacious resistance with respect t. everytl.ing that was objectionable. Nut making the Judges party to arrest, &c,, was a considerable modifies ! tion. With respect to commissioned officers, he would just mention, that constables in this country were purely peace officers, whereas the Irish police partook partly to the military and civil power. Why, then, 'mt.; to the army, when there could be found in the Irish police men of both military and civil capacity? It the onus were thrown upon the police, it would prevent the officers of the army from interfeting in many things which their sense of honour must compel them to think—to say the least of it—disagreeable. Mr. O'CONNELL asked if the officers to be sent to Ireland were to he militia officers, or of the line? Mr. STANLEY—Of the line. After a few words from Mr. BARRON, Mr. D. ROCHE, and Mr. EWA RT, The gallery was cleared for a division, when there ap peared— For Mr. O'Connell's amendment 4O Against it 205 Majority for Ministers -165 On returning to the gado) , a discussion was going on, we believe, n an amendment moved by Mr. RUTHVEN, that the Chairman do . report progress. Mr. DIVETT warmly object-d to the House reporting progress at so early an hour.—( Cheers.) The debate upon this question had commenced on the first reading—it had been followed up on the second reading—it had been con tinued in the Committee on every clam.e, to the interrup tion of all other business—and it ought not to be thus e isi'y adjourned night after night.—((;heers ) An (fort sh old be made to make a positive progress with it.— (Hear.) In juoice to the country—in justice to the suf fering people of Ireland—to the other great questions of public interest, on which the minds of the people were anxi.iusly b..nt—this system of delay should be strenuously resisted.—(Loud cheers.) He must suggest, that it greater progress were not made, they could not, in jus tice to their constituents, claim the usual recess at Eurer.—(Cheers ) Mr. O'CONNELL said the Hon. Member for Exeter hrd wade a most unfounded attack on the opponents 0 , the Bill. The first part of the opposition of that evening which had occupied many hours, lie had discountenanc , ' as much as any man ; and now, when he and his fellow counts ymen, who were to suffer by that Bill—that Bii which even its supporters termed arbitrary, despotic, ant cruel—when they were battling to obtain some little 0 10 dification of its harshness and its tyranny, they were be reproached in this manner —(Cheers.) There vie , two great principles of the Bill—the right of search, ail ihe power of arre't and detention without evidence L 4 without oath—which they felt it their duty to combati, the utmost. They were piavers of a monstrous chart_ ter, and such as ought never to be heard of in that HI . The Hon. Member's concluding words were inaudibhin I the gallery. Mr. DIVETT had not made an unfounded accustn. No one regretted the necessity for the Bill more thl he did ; but having once made up their minds to that ace, city, that the Bill ought to pass, he thought they t sit ther e till a l ater hour, that thy mi 2ht uffird tin ere• alter for the other business of the country.(Cheei ) Sir J. SEBRIGHT said that they had already ent a considerable part of the session on that measur isiont . , and made no progress in the other business of the t ntrv. —( Hear, hear. ) 0 n e ver y side,not only tin re but ei tteber i e, he heard nothing but loud complaints of the culpali weak. ness of Mi n isters.—(Cheers.) He called on thet res i st these continued attempts at procrastination, and, „ , ki c irry this measure —not of cruelt y , but of protecti on L. kind ness--as quickly as they possibly could.—(Loud t : erg. ) Lord ALTHORP certainly did feel that they ;ht not WO fir af to report progress, and that it was his duty /ma the motion of the Hon. Member for Dahlias- .S 4 . cries of " Divide, divide !") '• tti°o 4 s ta i g hter, ,_ ..4 , 4 Cl i , cri lV es ir o . f P , . , DHiOviWdeA.,,RDArosiesoannin i a d s it' the Hee. Af , e , botor obtain a hearing, he said be had been in : 0 4 4 whole of the evening—(Laughter) ----and he ws ' ligfa that, to the best of his observation- - ( 11ene: oa fuleg - is —the Hon. Member for Dublin had strictlyeile sbooki self to the question before the House. sate ~, song go however, it would be better to come -- y i d' ght • compromise.—( Hear, and laughter.) P er cone, Member, and those who acted - with him , v"L er , sto, sit half an hour longer.—(Renewed blu, d res elli!':, peated calls of " Question.") N o good c an ana l ei a discussion which was carried on in such a ° *ober d —(Question, question.) Would the Hon. ', met .) r Dublin aeree to hill an hour ?—(Renewed le u g l e " would suggest to his Majesty the e 1 1 ..; that those Acts of the 27th George 111.-- - ( The v t he S Member was interrupted for some mome t ' t i o .K, deafening and uncontrollable burst of le_egid bee - , those Acts, the Hon Member repeated . 't n ... o f died in the one then under discussion.--- 01 vide" from all parrs of the House.) on Mr. H. GRATTAN sail if the discuss; _lda for th e P " sisted in, it would he sitting longer • de e doing business worse. but "•-• The gallery was then cleared for a divisio n , 0 1. derstood that none took place. gl Air* 0 1 01 On our return to the gallery, we foot- „ ye , s a NELL objecting to the first part of the 7ib e"' t As directs all peace officers and magistrate. e i ".. 00 .10 6 : g 's Itlinisters most vigorous and effectual steps to suppress o l eo , to He contended that this clause would entitle tb no l l mit the most lawless acts. la em Mr. STANLEY denied that the claus e We ° •se them to commit lawless acts. t he 5416104 After a desultory conv e rsation, in which solves y General, Mr. Stanley. (Cheshire), and gr. ~ goo° 0 part, it was agreed that the word " y l eoroorii o l struck out, and that the words "effectual law" be ioserted in its stead. ° l' d Mr. HAWES then men that ;to se°, o r.- should be put in execution unless stgned by on e A s or Magistrates. all , : d o t, A desultory conversation took place on this 0 Eventually this clause was agreed to, with sn n o lti t4l ... ,,r ing, on th e p ar t o f L or d Althorp, t h a t he Let into consid e ration th e me rit s of the am en the posed by the Hon. Memb e r for Lambeth b efore' ing up of the report. tsir Ai The eighth cause was also agreed to. ~a ob The CHAIRMAN then reported reset*" _.„, progres s, Gr leave to sit again this day. f th e SA Sir G. SKIPWITH brought up the repo t 5 00 '4 mittee on the Losd. , n and Birmingham fteu" , s r, which was ordered to lie on the table. . , i etr°" The other orders of the d a y were then iber va j, I at three o'clock this morning the House skie e- „, le. ire ): HO USE 0 P On the Loan CHANCKI,LOR. t ,Iting his *eat .- 0 100 .4 0' sack, at a quarter after five o' c l .ck, Lord W ei- too" 1 several other Nlembets of the House of CO''ttag II o e ri up sonic Private B Its. s s erf e • I V Several petitions, praying for the better °," -- o ista . ,, the Sabbath; were presented by the Duke of u . ,„ ° ,oo l ' '' Earls of Radnor and R b st art " ose eiy, Lord to if and the Bishop of Lincoln. or aye 'SI Lord IDACRE presented petitions, rayinieg 1 01 00, mediate abolition ofslavery , Linc oln ,P " ' " - t i from so various othe, places. 'o° Lord KENYON presented • • for t he 1 a petition tr abolition of slavery. jag f or Lord WESTON presented petitions, Pr e Y - fibe ' abolition of slavery, and the better observance ,°,,a, bath, from Brompton, Colchester, and other P''"'" ior ; The Earl of GOSFORD presented peti'itn°;sloo,o better observance of the Sabbath, from 134 . t i0n fr . Anfrone, and other places in Fife. Also a pett obliged the bikers of Du n d ee , com pl a i n i ng of bei n g ji work at their trade on Sundays. , ot Lir err i Lord SUFFIELD prise • • fro l'un d presented a petition praying fir a mitigation of the criminal lase' tro d Ile j signed, amongst other reasons, one which 4 1V e- 110 , : o r a Lordship to be very well founded, viz., the uli a ' f yl oor iii! of persons to prosecute, owing to the severi ty gen e a •:/. They state.' also, that for that reason our f r oc e url tended to create, instead of to dimioisb, 'b e ",,%tla ion property. They prayed for the abolition of " e oe - ot sor' cases of robbery. He could answer far lbe fel ' ttr r ' of the persona who had signed the petition. the o f Lord SUFFIELD presented a titian frota oil , thunists of All Smuts and St. Anne, a g ainst S° 4 l o 1 0 1 ' The Earl of RODEN presented tition t iu ood e rseOW i' • r .he better observance of the Sabb Alb ~,,i 0 1( • 1 ; The Bishop of LITCHFIELD a nd CO V .,q - al l' itl et " rented petitions to - the same effect, from 1-- ~A Rusbali, and various places in Staffordshire. ore tr . ', Earl GREY presented twostations to the I'l,, p _ _,, ow 1 as also, several other petitions, praying for ,“' rtir # 1 abolition of slavery. 4'l. t. 0,, the • niutum of the Earl of SHAFT- 6 " 7 ad '''' Exchequer Bills Bill, the Supply in Ai ds Bill , 6 7 -; 1 private Bills, were read a second time. Lord TEYNHAM said that he held in 1 1 .' 1 1 el / 1 returns which their Lordships had been so r i eOtio , order respecting the Barony of Gallen, in th e ta el _..1 1. Mayo. He would be sorry to take up the t• -- ,.; e 1e , .., House upon this subject, but, indeed, it woul d ,',"oo' unnecessary for him to say more than to read t''' .s Or which be then held in his hand. • tel Earl GREY inquired whether the Noble 10-A ID to conclude with a motion i , h re / V asi pic i Lord TEYNHAAI said that he did. s -e t b a proclamation of the Lords Justices, by "Z r e 1: 1 , 1 : barony was put under the Priest Preservatio n ;;; I :j ots second was a memorial of the Catholic clergf,,' t 'O bi ; ! inhabitants of the barony, as to the state of qui - r i 001 . .k it. ' it was. The third was a similar m emorial J r " f a erts, Williatn Eli abaizon and other maristmrates. 1 T h i e s tioe r ' in n as a list of the constables !' that were -t e be i° ;f: ' their county. From other returns :hat were M anny ' Lodships, it would appear that bad the oute Gallen nit been infested with illicit distillers, t" o va ; ,if crime, during the last year would not have an' take II; t more tlsn three. He repeated, he was sorry t° ,, ce°, 2 ll, heir I .4.dships' time; but he considered it tve l ,„ -e n I 1 . .• at tl e 'resent time, when a most uncomttirOt'ildt m,r; was behg pressed forward, giving to the Gover n t 0 l ey " constiti t i on d powers, fur th eir Lordships 0 .0 00 ' at the way in which the formr extraoidinarldutiree with which his Majesty's Government b. of intrusted, had been executed. He would take thl: t iOl tunitYof stating that that Bill was the least li k ,, r ' i b u e ts: meastte that could have been introduced, to silk 1,0; 0 am' that at that time prevailed,nor, in h ie - i,'el c won% there be any peace till lh if tite - o ill 1 ~e system ' as • total(, abolished. Toe county of May o had been a ye• I e l in . e f 1824 as any county in England . There ‘ ll O , ll VI, but few etecutions for capital crimes, and very ' f i v t, 0 .4 posed for felonies. The barony was perlectlY c i ll• r ost h.'M the Reform Bill with just as tnoe h , (%- as ny other part of the country. The freeholder ".. ) ' (Lord 1' • 1 18 e•"nty had called upon a relative y of his cope forward as a candidate for its reseotati4.t 0 01 ; mu rep h be d 4 pot o , 1 el i ded to Sir W. Brabant], and st rr.sent the county, to, re was no doubt but tbotl e y on e i r e choice of she freeholfers—he did not mean to re set° j turd in dispraise of the Hon. Gentlem en who 5 , S , P Of I at for the county, lie had noth' v g s ' ni l''' log t , , sa a , I. i int this I that they did not represent the freeholaer ,os T O t :cal cause of the discontent in Ireland was th e V i r e o 111 ,1 ' to armed police, who mixed with the peo ple s' •-• se" lather places, with thei • 1 r muskets in th e s e. ,sail u pon 4 1 of Noole Lords would look at the in quests he' 1114 to o ( people murdered by th..se policemen, they w`,1 214 0 1 1 , , that reeard was not had to the ewelfare of tu e I :l ° ,eoJ I was to be expected. He would also ask then , e",„ ti. - ! the verdi • cts which were returned by the jurors Were Or those very policemen—they would see that they 'lc ier° from being popular ones, and yet not one of thoseg is 0 had been molested. Many mem( vials had been 1° 0 0 ° ) the Lords Justices from the Ca ,. i Y af'd • h I‘. ao.ic C erg . to e (than whom none better knew the state of Oen' r• 10 eA stating that that barony was in a state of perfedetqu7utther why they s hou ld and that the re was no reason I- "e - 1 aflii • card with a n a ddi t i ona l number of Policerlil. ,t nee n°' lo -t, after a log silence, and having had manY pod all rials placed before them, the Lords Justices rot t or! 01 . .a i n , swer to the affect that they saw no reason w d y plsci j ould rescind their order, by which the baron,' ser- ,.,1 1 0 ; under the Act. lii 1830 a memorial from 4 " . p an rishes . in the comity of Mayo had been dra wn h u o P . signed by the Grand Jury - • pur'" rsti l , earnestly tut ,b e dePP. 0 J .kry's Government to pay some attention to • e po ?ta-e of that county, and to the difficulty that the n „, in' . in the collection of tithes. He thought that it ) 0 t i be eo possible to look at the sev ral memorials tha t i d : by e j drawn up. and the affidavits that had b en ma . 8 0 9 4 many respectable potions without seeing t hat thi 0 0 a case of inquiry, '' ta ted et'le All is tale of and that what hail been s ~r . fiction, lie had the affidavit of 0 , l'' f Fe t who c oo ; ho wever, was not a magistrate. and u ll Or e fe e knew , who . swore on his solemn oath, that be 00,4 the inhabitants of the harony to . _ io; 0 0 orderlyl. . and peaceable than they had peen a °l •OP 0 i le last bIZ months. Also, the affidavits of two p e ts pi an o said that the statements related by the Noble Sall t 4