The Sun. — London, England, 1830-12-14 00:00:00

IM l'Eltl AI, PA RUA :11:,NT. HOUSE OF LORDS, Dec. 13. The Lawn/741A srei.t.on took hie teat on the Woole.tok *Nerdy atter Five o'clock. NEGRO SLAVERY. Petition* against Negro Slavery were presented by tile Fail of Shafitahury; the Earl of Essex, the Emil of Ilos4. 'yin), Lord King, Eail Grosvenor, and Lord Napier. The Earl of SHAFTRSBUItY presented a petition from Dorset, praying for the abolition of Duties on Sea. borne Croat; a petition from 131 idport td the 61111 e effect. The Dike of NORFOLK - presented a petition of a 'al mike nature from Arundel. - The Doke of DEVONSHIRE Irresente4 a petition from Derby, praying for a repeal of the Stamp Ditties on News papers. The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition from n perish in Sussex, praying for a :loped of the Taxes and Rsdieal Reform. The Rad of RADNOR peocnted a like petition from A rat Lord GLENGALL presented a petition from a parish is Tipperary. praying for a repeal of the Union. ADMINISTRATION OF .IUSTICE AMENDMENT RILL. On the mutton, of Lnrd TENTERDEN this lUI Wt* rad a 4hird time end posed. RECENT APPOINTMENTS. Earl GROSVENOR, who in great part of his speech .was qeite inaudible, said, that in rising to make a tnotiots pursuant to notice which he had given on Friday eveulog last, he would take that opportunity (e* the adiournment of the House was now near at hand) of submitting to their Lordships a few observations relative to trensactions of some importenee in the present state of th.country. Ile thought it,eight to atate that he had bad. no.commonicae tion on Owlet subjects with tiny members of bit Majesty's Goverment. In the, motion which be rem about to sub snit, and in the opinions which induced him to make it, he stood alone. In the various.papers which had tient . laid on the tables of both !louses reeeecting the salaries Poi emoluments of public officers, those ef the officers of the Howe of Parliament had been emitted. Believing that a great saving to the nation could be effected in the salaries of those persons, he, thought it necessary, in the first instanee, to ascertain formully what they ate. Ile would not apply 14 a Committee on the subject, because he had observed that the proceedings of Committees, how. ever beneficial they might ultimately prove, are generally too much protracted,. whereas he wished every possible reduction of the public burthens to he effected without de, lay. The Noble Earl, .after making come A 1111414 which wo did not distinctly hear, to Committees which had re. crafty been appointed, and among others to that obtained by a Noble Marquis (Sslisbury) co the subject of the Poor Laws, said that those laws, lewever defective, had worked well, end that he had • no 00014 that the lalteurs of the Committee, whatever delay might take place before they were brought to a coneluitieu, would be attended by ad. vantages ; although ,the fluty which be had to discharge was tinplettsant, be : believed it would he useful. If the boiled interest were not relieved from some part of the berthene by which it wits borne down. it would be corn. !doily destroyed ; and then, he woold ask, what other Interest could lie. upl•e'd ? The monied interest would melt into air— • " And, like the baseless fabric of a Vision, Leave not a wick behind," It was isitispensible to the wo flare of the country that the landed interest uhnuld be maintained. Those who were interested in . the land, being attached t(i the soil, art re not fatly of necessity devoted to preserve the inqitutions of the ...also, but were unable to evade their share of the public hut them. But the moneyed interest wits compised to a great extent of persons having no coonection with the tiountiy--Jewit Gentiles, inhabitants of France, ot Ruesia, of tiertueny, hi a Wo rd , of every part of Europe Asia, Africa, and America..Ulcer).who could at any time withdraw their meney from the fund?, temp escape from any shers'itt' the lon three of the country; or if they should even be itilt•itiiiits of England, they might lock up their money iu that fitments box, of Which so snitch had been' said in the House on is former evening, and shelter it from thasilaxes from which the landed in. tsrest lied .no . means of titi.aping. lie voluted thtir Lord. 'ships that he' was intlo'etuied by no utifriendly feeling the Noble flarl,'"to' whefethe deieriations be was about to make had, tonne' reft4renee. • Their Lordships would, remember that on a former , evening he (Earl tlenavenor) had asked the Noble Earl, then President of the Gumcii, whether the situation , fit Clerk of the Council which had just then become vacant, was yet filled? and the,answei of the Noble . Earl, that the race hail not been tilled, was 'received by their Lordships with much mobilises tion. •It was tionoidered to be the intention of the Goe vermouth that the office 'should trot be filled, nod th it ar . eaviag of 11,5001. a year would he effected to th e country.. He regretted to understand, however, that that opportunity of retrenclunent had not been taken advun tap Of, and that the ton of the Noble Eatl (Bathurst) had received the apietiotment, upon the application of the Nettle Earl after he had ietired !titular from office. Ile . (Earl Grosvenor) load also heard, and be wished to know whither thastatuttent was Well founded, th it the late Administration had obtained the grant of several pensions after their actual resignation. it had been said that these pensions, one of bt)01. and two of 2bol. a year each, were appointed four dabs after the late Ministeis had announced that they ottlY• held office until their summers should be appointed...4We understood the Noble Earl then to make some allusion to recent appointments given by the Noble Earl now at the betel of .his Majesty's Government, in tootle of persons closely connected with hinutai e s . s•ln reply to a question Which had been put on a late occasion to the Noble Lord on the Woolsack, that Noble Lord had stated his instil ty to say whether the present Lord Chan cellor of Ireland was to he removed from his . office, but that if such removai'did take place. the country would not be. vinbiverril to an additional expense by the pension of Sir Anshan) , Hart, as. retired Chancellor. 140 (Earl Gros voter) could not may how the saving was to be effected, should. the change take place. Perhaps it was intended (as he, had beard was the inteetion) to appoint the present Chancellor to some other lucrative post, to the emolument of which hie retiring peneion. might be merged. Now there were in that House . at present two retired Chancel. lora, receiving from the country very large pensions. It oppeareil to him that respecting one of those Noble Lords, oho bad lately, held the Seals, an arrangement similar to that which was spoken of respecting the Isiah Chancellor might be made with advantage to the country. The Noble Esti, in conelosion, moved, " That there should be laid before the House, a return of the Salaries and'EmO • lumina* of the ervdoet Clerki and 01111 ,is of both Houses of Parlament, froin'the ist of .I.iniiary, 1829, to the let of Jemmy, ; and of the routers from which the various emolument, were derived." The Alarquis of, I ANSDOWNR did not think it tie misery to oeitupy. the,.Heuse by following the Noble Earl in detail through all the observation. which be (Mal . Grosyraor) tot ovule. But he ohould answer one of the , qutvione of the Nettle Earl, because he wee more CoMpe , teat tints any other Noble Lord to give eatisfection, both respecting the filling up of the office to which Butt ques tion refeired, and the person who had been eppuinted to it, inetioueh as the epouinttnent had rested with hint..— . Whim be (the Marquis of Lenulowne) bed accepted hie Mejrety'e eemnisruls to mitten:lke the duties 01, President of the Council, he received" front his Nehle Piedeeemior , ennirtntnicetisn to the effect that, on the I fith of the lest month, when the office of (tittle to the Coupeil became vacant, by the death of Mr. Beller, hie Mejesty had sig . stilled to him (Lord Bathurst) that it at his pleasure that the piste slionld he lilted by 11lr. fiettitirat, to whims hie Mojeetyla plerteure on that occasion was coromoni• eeted. , When he fthe-Marquis of tervelowne) received that foroisl coinuttitiiCition, he felt bound, whenever th e place should' be Ailed, to carry into effect the intentions of his Majesty respecting Mr. !Whitt*, although no actual arrangement had been mole respecting that gentleman by 'the late Mattel.. At the same time he felt hiniself also at liberty to adviee. his Majesty to direct whatever reduc tion in the salary of that clerkship might seetneoneittent with the proper discharge of the duties. In justice to • the Noble Bart (Bathurst), he ought to inform their Li-mishits, that the letter which ha received from that Noble It trleqlsted the, 26th of November hot, stated it to h ave h oes Ihs intention -of" his Majetty's late sionfideutiel *eviller* to put the celery of the' clerk to the Courted en- a lower rate then that at Whirl) it hod beintertrierly Axed. On receipt of that letter he did .atot , thiolr it nee sassy to eommunicate with . Mr. Bathurst -tripestieg thcofftee Instil be should have considered tvhit realaittion ehould be made in thst . salery, consistently with • a destroyed to the public service, which he believed would admit of It very considerable reduction. The bitsiorscof Cotirwil rendered iayssatittitry that a clerk Should etwisre be preweeleettutiog ltelihtinge and although the .pressure. of, one chyle rusty was required, yet it was expe. 4 464- LP PiWit either,, two clerks, cc to app tent a deputy .1 1 11104 , tletermined to notice... the eateries of the two WM, 0001041, yen, so thet the duties of both ;should ha performed at es rester improve than that to which the roootry was pot fur the *story of Mr. Buller Mimeo- - iletticisso it - ;wao the intention of his Majesty's Gorerottleittv wheneler. any person having already a se buy of 1,000,4 a year or upwards, should revive an ad., ditienisi appoint/IWO el, sits velue of 4ofll, annually, thr allowanee should merge in the 1,b607. ; to that at Mr. Reiburet held at present an office in the Exchequer, on ocenent of widt•lt he received a lately ef 500/. a year, that sum ettemitl he deducted from his new stipend tit 1.200/. a year. By that arranger ent the actual saving effected its the clerkship to the Council announced to 1,700/. Annu ally .; and it was likely that opportunities would arise whit+ wou'd permit a still further reduction...(Heer.) Having aneweted the question of the Ntiblto hail, he did not think that the House would tltpect, him, on such a motion as bad been sChinitted to their Lordships, to go iota sill the tiq4es which the Noble Earl bad introduced. On these subjects the most satisfactory explanations had already been made to emir Lordships, which was that the west unsparing retrenchment would be ea:tied into effect. Retrenchment was alt eq:s the shay of his Majesty's Ge vernment, but in times like the present, to use a word which be had Already letaird wiled ba the ►ame subject, it was their pararnonnt duty. It was the detmnination oe his Majesty's Ministers to cut off all useless expences, but not to make a reduction, in consequence of which the public service would he inadegtu effeOted. The Duke of WELLINOVON said, that the delay in the appointment to tin: vacant offices, before the resigna tion of the Itre Administration, had been occasioned by their itrention to reduce theeslarice. With respect to the teeently granted pensions, to which e enestion ef the Noble Eael opposite had referentee, their Lordships were aware that a cowiderebie elfin was always granted to hie Majesty to enable hint to confer pensions upon those whp were tlesetNing: true it was that the Civil List expired t+.'it►t the King; and it was also true, that at the time of the last demise of the Croa'n these was a considi rabic number of vacancies in the ltst or pensioners. He rather believed that the caner regular course would have been not to have recOmmended his present Majesty to in tke any new grams nut of the Civil List until thh Act should have passed regulating its amoueet; but the custom unques tionably had been to retommend the filling up of vacancies as they oceerrid, without regard, to the passing of the Civil List Act. He bad followed the ordinary course, and !:all continued it from the accession of hie Majesty to the hour when he relinquished the Meals of office as First Lord of the Treasury. The Noble Earl had said that he (th‘ Duke of Wellington) had come down to the nettle on the 16th Norm:l4r, had announced that he had resigned his Ace, and that leis Majesty had been graciotesly pleased to accept that resigeation ; but the Noble hart forgot to state that he (the Duke of Wellington) had added that he had agreed to retain tit; Situation until a successaor was ap • pointed. He had in fact retained it until the Noble Earl opposite, so worthily appointed, had relieved him in the following week. In the mean time ha had recommended to the King the grant of ceuttlt► pensions, and on the very day when he had relinquished the Seeds lie had applied to his Majesty oh the subject. For this course he felt that he was responsible; if he had done wrong lee should deserve censure for that wrongdoing; hut he begged to say, that he woe firmly convinced that their Lordships would not think he hail erred with regard to any of the pensions which he had been the means of conceding. Two of them had been granted to gentlemen she, for three years, had done him the favour of acing as his private secretaries; and looking at the history ,ef farmer Administrations, it would he seen how amply such gentlemen had always been provided for. They ought to be provided for, for this reaeon— thet not a piper ef any description came into hie (the lie ht of Wellington''•) hands, from soy office—and 14 had them from all officee.that did not, in some way or other, pass through those of one of his secretaries. It was nut fit, therefore; that individuals who possessed this (titian' knowledge should remain without provision, He welsh! tell their Lordehipr fairly, that having put down and discontinued on the establishment every office of every kind that heroine vacant while he wax First Lord of the Treasury, and not having lestd—which he could assure the Houle was the truth.•..al►ove two offices to give aveay, and those tett amounting to 20(11. a year each, he heal nut the means of providing for his Secretaries: he had, there. fore, asked the favour of his Majesty to grant them 2601. a year each nut of the Civil List. Another penalize had been granted at his suggestion to It gentleman who had been for many yenta in the public service, under different Administrntione, anti As a vacancy occurred to that amount (we understood his Grace to say 6001.), he hoped it,would lie thought that it had not been improperly disposed of. With respect to the last point noticed by the Noble Earl, he (the Duke of Wellington) had felt himself bound, .if possible, to make some provision for that Learned Lord. who was . highly deserving, and who, lee btlievede had given universal satisfaction. He had therefore reco►tt meneled him to his Majesty, and he had also recommended another gentleman (es we understood kir Grace to say, but be spoke iu a time of voice unusually inaudible) who bad been taken into the service of late Majesty, and raised to the dignity of a Privy Councillor, and fur' whoa), he wits of opinion, that the King was in honour bound to provide. Ile had beet; elevated above the sphere from which lee Lad been taken, and to that he could not return. In these various transactions lee hoped their Lordships would think that be had done nothing im proper or inconsietent with the usual practice of office. . . . Earl GREY—Before he efferril the few remarks that seemed to him necessary,, must observe upen the iticon venience of—what should he call them ?—conversationel discussions when a motion was brought .forward by sur prise and without the usual and regular notice. Some pert of what had fallen from his Noble Friend (Lord Grosvenor) was founded merely upon rumours out of Snort; while another part, he admitted, depended upon facts within the knowledge of everybody. Not the least inconvenient poram of the proceeding ws the manner in which his Noble Friend Lad adverted to certain appoint ments, the subject of report and discussion whit the public, while Ministers were required to make statements regard in them, without the possibility of communicating full information. Upon some of the general points he hardly knew how to address their Lordships; that, for instance, which related to the weight of taxation, could not.now properly be debated, while the Noble Duke opposite (Wel lington) seemed to have afforded a satisfactory answer on the particular matters that were addressed to him. The Noble Duke bad explained his conduct, and upon that ex planation the question might perhaps be left. It was nut his (Lord Grey's) intention to discuss the propriety of those pensione; and, as to two of them, it did not seem possible for him to urge any objection. The Noble Duke had himself allowed, that it would have been more regular not to have taken the pleasure of the King upon the sub ject until after the settlement of the Civil List had expired hy the demise,of the Crown, he (Lord Grey) did not see on what authority pensions could be granted out of a fund which in fact did not exist. Throwing this out merely as a matter of doubt, lie came to the legal appointments, also introduced without autiec into discussion. As to one of them, a Noble Earl on the cross-beneh (Lord Farnham) had haired a question en a former night, which had been answered by his.. Noble Friend on the Woolsack. Ile (Earl . Grey) regretted th it he bad not been present, hut the topic was introduced on a Wednesday, when nothing was expected, and when, having been otherwise importantly , engaged, be had certainly neglected bis first duty—that of attending in his place in Parliament. . Oa that subject he must now say a few words. It was well known that the Lord Chancellor of England held snt only the firat legal office in the kolgilotn, but that has filled also a high official situation ; as long us he continued to hold that situation he must necessarily he co»nectee, with the King's Govern ment, and it followed that on any change of Ministry the Lord Chancellor must be clanged also. In Ireland it was said that there was no't the same necessity fur the legal and political connection I n th e p erson of th e Lord . Chancellor, and it was su posed that Sir Anthony Hart ; :whose merits he (Earl Grr i y ) was the first to acknowledge,r stood in the situation of laolding the Seals free fir01)1 any political relationship to Vie Government. It could not, however, be truly said that the Lord Chancellor of Ire land did not act in .a Ugh political as well as legal caps. city, and -during the period that Sir Anthony Hart hail 1 tilled the office of Lrial Cbaneellor, he (Carl Grey) bad seen his name to pri i elarnations arising out of the state of irekui t the abject of which was to check disorders there. This circumstanc e necessarily , connected him with the bold Lieutenant. When he (Earl - Grey) came into the situation in whi At he now unworthily stood, and looked to the conditior 4 of Ireland, and to the state of her Ge- Yernineint, and; to the necessity of remedying existing and etrenowli g i ge d evils, it seemed to hint Hutt a clomgt. in th e °flier; of Lord Chancellor was required. He , did lint mean to dispute the capacity of Sir Anthony Hart,, oe his gr e a t legal acquirements, but it struck him that ~ it w as a bsolutely itolispensable, that the person to, "s rtaatteeted with the, new Lotd Lieutenant as sawn C l aanceller, ought to be' a man upon whose kimwledge and judgment he could place the moat erns : h ‘ s itati'ig reliance. Looking round fur , strz individual • "Nide, of affording such guidance, his eye' reefed at Unr _p upon Lord Plunkett. First he thought that Lord n 'i&iett was likely to conciliate the greatest number of P nit itts, next he seemed pre-eminently quali fi ed, not only 1 fr 'rom'A his high. legal acquirements, but from his general n t lißties and long political experience; and, thirdly, he! 1 'as peculiarly eligible, because be had to long lived in! 1 I , : eland, antl.was so well acquainted with her situation and' ',he feelings .. and interests of ' her varied itopulation.--, ! If he (Earl Grey) turned his eyes to the Roman Catholics; 'ha knew that 1, 41 1 Plunkett, as the moat able and zealok advocate of their cause, was entitled to their confidericti and affection, while the Protestants could feel no Maras 1 lest their interests should lie neglected by an individual; who, in all his exediens for the Roman Catholics, h4d never lost eight of the security of the Protestant Church. On the whole it appeered to hint that Lord Plunkett wee entitled to the utmost confidence by itien of all parties lie well as by the Government, atel that he was eminently qualified to he the adviser of the Lord Lieutenant, Appeal eig to the Wirer whether this Was the fit time for ilk. emoting such matters, he would all only, tl at, under all the circumstances, lie bad thought it right to advise his Ilajesty to giCe the Chaticellorehip of Ireland to Lind Plunkett, without the elighteet desire to peoceeid with env degree of harshness or Want of testieet to fir A. flat. It had been Medea MattCr of complaint that by this arrange ment an additional pension of 4,000 L a year would be added to the burdens of the country. He (Earl Grey) regretted the necessity which bail led to the decision ; but be asked their Lordship , ' whether it would hav e been wise economy in the Gevernment, with all anxiety to relieve the country as much as possible, to have ab stained from such a beneficial comae fir the sake of a few thousands a year? It was undeulstedly titte that the retirement of Sir A. Hart weal occasion it new annual pension of 4,0001. Irish, or ahout 3,6001 English; but it ought to he considered in whit manner. and to what extent, the weight of this midi -timel burden hail been lessened. It was to be recollected that Sir A. Hart was at a very advanced period of life, end that the pension would probably only be field for a comparatively short peeled; while, as a counterpoise, a permanent reduction had been made in the salary of the Lord Chancellor of Ireland to the extent of 2,000/. a year; that salary had hitherto been 10,000/. a year, but in future it would be only 8,000/. Thus the increase. was 3,6001. a year on the life of an old man, and the decrease was 2,0001. in the salary of the Lord Chancellor of Ireland now and fir ever. lie threw himself therefore, se ith confidence on the feelings of the House and of the country, whether this arrangement, properly considered, hullo/eel any die. position on the part of the present Government to disregard the distressev of the people at a time when all just economy was undoubtedly so much required. He wee satisfied that it would be very had economy, for the sake of a compare. tively small saving, to avoid an arrangement which was likely to render the Government of Ireland equal to all contingencies. With regard to some of the other ap• pointments in Ireland, it could hardly he said that they were yet complete; but this he could say, that he had not acted on his own judgment merely, but had I consulted those beat qualified to give sound advice.— He had been anxious to fill up the vacancies in the way most likely to benefit the public service, and to remove all grounds of Dispute and jealousy, either on the part of the Protestants or Catholics. It bail been a grievous die appointment to him (Earl Grey) to find that some of the appointments had been criticised in quakes where he least expected it. A rumour had been noticed regarding the saving tie ;petition of a Noble Person (Lord Lynd hurst), by placing him in a high legal situation. For that Noble Person he hail the moat profound respe, t, and the highest admiration ; he was eminently qualified for any situation ; but with reference to that rumour, be could state no more than that lie regretted, he could not con firm it. One or two words on a topic personal to himself, which he should never willingly iutroduce, and he had done. His Noble Friend (Eck Grosvenor) had brought an accusation againse him, as if he (Elul Grey) had been actuated by particular motives of favouritism and family intereat,• to promote indivi duals to office who were connected with himself. His Noble Friend hail acqnitted him of improper motives, and of appointing disqualified individuals. Those appnint ments were not many, and perhaps the first to be noticed wee that of a Noble Peer (Lord Durham), who by mar. riage hail become a member of his (Earl Grey's) faiiiiiy.— In forming the Government, he hail been i.uided not merely by that Noble Lord's abilities, hut by the cowrie. tem.) , of his °pinkies and the excellence of his character. --(Dear, hear.)—The office given to that Noble Lord it could not be disputed that he was well qualified to fill. The next individual to whose appointment he would refer, was, if possible, still more nearly related—his own son. He had certainly considered an official situation of the kind an honourable object of ambition for a young man. —(Hear, bear.) It did not teem at all unlit that be should be placed in an office wlwre lie would have to go through a large share of public business, and qualify him self hereafter fur more important dutice.—(llear, hear.) By the kindness of his Noble Friend he lad placed his son in the situation he occupied, and le believed be had chili. ties for the satisfactory discharge of the duties that would devolve upon him; it was distinctly understood between him and his Noble Frieed, that if his son were not quali fied, or not diligent, he should be instantly ilischarged. Tbeie were one or two other persons, more nr less re motely connected, to whom the remark of his Noble Friend would also apply ; and as a general reply, be might observe, that his absence front Ace for forty years did not necessarily preclude him from naming connexions of his own.--(Hear, hear.) He could assure their Lordships with the utmost truth, and upon Ifs honour, that be bad nut placed one individual in an official situation but under a sincere conviction that they were eminently qualified for the discharge of the ditties that would devolve upon them. —(Hear, hear.) If anything could he fairly objected to them, he was ready to submit to any consequence their Lordships might think just. This he might say, that Ire bad every reason to select proper persons, and he was not likely to risk hie public character of forty years' growth for the take of a trifling private advent ige. He had of fired this frank explanation, end he trusted that their Lord ship* would consider it satisfactory. The Earl of FARNHAM contended fur the propriety of separating the political front the legal charscter of the Lord Chancellor of Ireland. lie much doubted whether the appoititment of Lord Plunkett would give the satisfac tion that was anticipeted. At this moment there was a large body in the North of Ireland, W}11), sonic time since, would have shed the last drop of their blood for the main tenunce of the connection between the two countries, and who were now fast approximating to the opinions of those who wished the Union to be dissolved. If the tiro par. ties were allowed to combine their efforts, there was great reason to fear that they would be successful. Earl GREY agreed that to dissolve the Union would not only be injurious, but deetroctive to Ireland, since it would be neither more nor less than a total separation. With this feeling he hoped their Lordships would give him credit for what he considered the most effectual endeavour s to prevent that event. If the Noble Earl felt so touch anxiety on the point, it was singular that he should tvw language more calculated to infinite than to allay, lie (Earl Grey) protested against the notion which the Noble Earl seemed desirous to inculcate, that the present Govern ment was not disposed to maintain the Protestant interest in Ireland; it could only arise out of the most erroneous mis conception of the principles of the preeent servants of the Crown. In making the appointment of Lord Plunkett the object bad been to conciliate and satisfy all parties and all interests, end he trusted that the Protestants would feel as much confidence as the Catholics.. Mint certainly the peace and security of Ireland depended upon the preserva tion of that confidence. He did net mean to designate Lord Plunkett as the :Minister of Ireland, but as the ad viser of the Lord Lieutenant. He was eorry, therefore, to hear it held cuut that , this appointment would tend to unite two oeposite parties, and to justify —or not indeed to justify, but to account for—their supported approximation against the Union. He (Earl Grey) nee, meet firmly and warmly attached to the Protestant Church, and he Wits most anxious to . uphold the Protestant interest it' Ireland, and he hoped to be able to do so without depressing the interest of the Homan Catholics. The Noble Earl had referred to the appointment of Sir Anthony Hart, w hi c h lie considered unconnected with politics ; but he was made Lord Chencellur at a period of agitation, such when Lord Plunkett was set aside in order to avoid the possible in crimes of that egit aim The Catholic Bill hedheen since pass i l, and a new species of agitation had eth e ,,, w hi c h lie hoped the appointment of Lord Plunkett would tend to allay, He waa a men who had the good opinion of all enableparties, h hint andlis ve n vigour, vo e s ffec wbuht abilitie s, tual a a s n e d istt e n x c p e er t ie o th nee Lieutenant of Ireland. Viscount GODF.IIICII said that the appointment of Sir Anthony Hart having originated whir hirn, he might offer a few words in explanation of the motives which had in din.rd him to Dame him for the ()Mee of Lord- , Chancellor of Ireland. It muse exclusively from the view.he took, or rather which Mr. Cloning, his predecessor, toolc,• of the extreme embarras.inent of Ireland by the non-settle ment of the Cahnlid question. He felt that this mode Of disposing of the candid Lord Chancellor of Ire Lind would afford some chance of mitigating the evil of the sy.tion. Ile never dreamt of recommertling such •a COUr,i) as a per Manila principle. Such being the case, it atr etater l to hi, that the choice of Lord Plunkett was welt advised, and would contribute more than any thing e l se to prevent it measure which, .as his Noble Friend had mild, would not only be a separation but a total destruction of the ititeresta of Ireland. Lord GOSFOIID should regret extremely if it went lie anttly believed fo, th to Ireland that the pima Adminiitration was hostile t t( l:a t t h t e h t e lri lT " ob t l a e nt Et t l e a r l t ihnisici:lllll4gLuts. would be its Irest friends, and would unite the good wio., eB of the avec. table of all elipsee. Earl GIIosvENOR said a few w or d s in explanation of his reasons for introducing the uj e , A , It had had this beneficial rout', thmit had influc ei l hi s Noble Friend (Tsui nr« , y) to give ft most satisfactory exp`anat'on u l on points to which rutuouts out of doors applied. The rtiotion wits thtn put and agreed to. Adjourned at .a Quarter past Seven. HOUSE OP COMMONS, Dm. 13. EVESHAM ELECTION. Mr. R. CLIVE brought up the 'Report of the Com mittee on this Election, which stated that the Committee were of °Oulu!' that Sir C. Cockerell and Lord Kennedy had by themselves nt their agents been guilty of bribery and corruption. the Cotritnitter, therefore, declared that the election of Sir Chas. Cockerell and Lord Kennedy was unit and void. A new writ was therefore orderel for the election of two new Members. The Report added, that the Committee knowing the disp,vition of his Ma ! jesty'a pre,ent. Ministers on the' subject of bribery and corruption, did not think it necessary to appoint any ulterior line of proceeding, but generally to retommend that the Report He printed, andttken into further consi deration on Thursday next.-70rdered.. Mr. BOLTON (LIVE then moved that a new writ be issued for two Burgesses to serve in this present Par. liament for the Borough of Evesham, in the room of those teturned, their election having been declared void. The Report of the Committee was ordered to be taken into consideration on Thursday next. An Hoer. Memo%it, whose name we could not 'Nem, said, that having been on that Committee, he certainly felt it to be his duty to move that a copy of the evidence taken before it he laid upon the table of the House. Mr. BOLTON CLIVE said, that as the great cause of Reim m had been taken up by his Majesty's Government, he should not further interfere, and he thought Hon. Members ought to pause before they.took the affair out of hands so well qualified to bring it to a happy issue. " Lord GEORGE LENNOX, though a Reformer in a Large way, ousted that the House would look into the mat. ter, and trusted further that his Hon. Friend near him would persevere in his motion. He put it to the House whether such electors as those of Brenham ought to be al lowed to retain the franchise. Another Mamma of the Committee also supported the nsaioti, which was then agreed to. Mr. PLANTA moved fir a new writ for the Borough of Lostwithil, in the room of the Bight lion. Vesey fitzgerald,who has accepted the Chiltern Hundreds. Lord NUGENT took the oaths and his seat as Member for Aylesbury. An How. Mamma hrought in a Bill to enlarge an Act of the 11th George IV., for nuking a canal from Loch Corrib to the Bay of Galway.—Read a first time and orderee'. to be printed. A great number of petitions were presented, praying for the abolition of negro slavery. Mr. KENNEDY presented petitions from the Royal 13urgh of Ayr, from the Edinburgh Corporation of Merchant*, from the city of Perth, and several other places in Scotland, praying for Parliamentary Reform. LIVERPOOL ELECTION. Mr. ROBINSON presen►el a petition from two bitants of Liverpool, complaining of the undue return of William Ewart, Esq., for that borough. Sir R. FERGUSON presented a petition from Pife, and another from a place in West Lothian, praying for Parliamentary Reform. Mr. DOUGLAS presented a paition torn the Wilt Riding of Yorkshire, praying for a reduction of the taxer. SEA:BORNE COALS. Sir THOMAS ACLAND, in presenting a petition from Plymouth, and several other pieces in Devon; praying for an abolition of the duty on seaborne coals, said, although he conceived there was a sufficient number of notices of motions already given to occupy the House until aftrr the Easter recess, yst he considered the question t►► whicla the petitions related of such great importance, that be would ►ake that opportunity of giving notice of a iris- tion to bring the subject before Parliament on the 13th of March. TRUCK SYSTEM. Sir 11. PEEL bad to present three petitions of consider able importance. The first was from Worksop, the second from Dudley, and the third front Bolton;—the latter of which was signed by 14,000 persons of the manufacturing classes. It prayed that a stop might be put to the prac tice gnat was rapidly extending, of paying labourers! wages' in goods.--(Hear.)' He had been instructed to support the Bill that was to be brought in to-morrow by the Hon. Member for Stafford, which had for its object to ineteese the penalties on masters paying their lebourels! wages in goods. He (Sir Robert Peel) firmly believed that the eff..ct of the practice was as injurious as de-; scribed by the petitionera.—(Hear, • Liar.)—lt gave as undue advantage to the manufacturer who paid in goods over the one who paid in money. 'lt destroyed the small tradesman, and degraded the moral con !Won of the workman —(Hear.) He rejoiced that the subject would so early come under the consideration of the House, and he would take that opportunity of sayirig that the Bill should have his support. After come observations from Mr. Cresset Pelham, Sir Horace St. Paul, Mr. Hume, Lord . 13elgrave, Alderman Weidman, Mr. Littleton; and Mr. Tennant, the' petition was ordered to be printed. Sir 11. PEEL presented a petition from Hampstead and anotiter from Deptford, praying that the new police might not he withdrawn from those parishes. The Hon. Bert. said that the latter petition spoke in very high terms' of the new police, and that there had been only two at• tempts at burglary since they bad been established in• that town. He was aware that a great deal had been said about,the increased expenee. All be could'then say on that subject was, to request Hon. Members to suspend their judgment until a Committee was •appointed. The Honourable Member for Middlesex had stated that in' , one parish the rats for watching had been increased from 1,400/. to 5,440/. He had made inquiry into the subject and found he was correct as to figurer, but: the fact was easily explained. It was at Poplar in which was situated the %Vest India and part of the East India Docks, which, before the passing of the Bill, we, ascertained, to provide and pity its own watchmen,but now they were watched by the new• police, and, of eouree, contributed wards its rote; therefore the rate to individuals was very' little increased. Mr . . HUME although he had made the statement. alluded to, and which, according to the account of the Eight Hon. Ilurunet himself, turned out to be correct, was ro'enemy to the new police. ' Mr. WILKS complained that in one large parish an ad. ditional rate of Bd. had been' levied in eensetrence of the new police, and the result who that the collectors now in: many instances were unable to procure the Payment of either county rate or police rate. Sir H. PEEL said, 'that the observation of the Hon. Gentleman afforded a good illustration of his having jus tice on his side, when he asked the House to suspend its, judgment for the present. It was extremely unlikely that in a large parish, as alluded to by the Hon. 'Gentleman, there had been no watching previously; and if there hut been watching there, it was impossible that an additional rate of Bd. could have been levied. The petition wait then ordered to be printed. WEST INDIA PLANTERS AND SLATES. Mr. BORRODAILE presented a petition from Newcastle, end Lord. BKABAZON one from some place in Wicklow, against slavery. The Marquis of CIIANDOS presented a petition from. the West India planters, merchants, and others, praying the house not to take steps towards destroying their pro.. : perty until it had afforded them compenpiation. No one was a greater friend to the slaves than he was, but lienould not help seeing that there were two ways proposed of get: Ling rid of slavery in the West Indies—the one was by pit-. pular clamour—and the other,by remunerating the planter for the loss that he must necessarily auetein. When tha question came to be &tided, hr should unquestionably give his support to the latter of these ways• The peti•• tioners whose cause he vas advocating 'were in no way afraid of inquiry; and he; therefore, hoped that 'the House, and his Majesty's Ministers, would come forward With a plan fur the settlement of the slave question, and the general remuneration of the plainer,. - - Mr. : MARRIOTT complained of the outcry that had heer, reised in the country ogaiust the West Indie priethrs, and the attempt that there WO to force the House into a coneltvion on the..subjeet ; in illu s t ra ti on o f w hi c h he mentioned n petition that had been presented from some congregation, by. a Noble Lord, on the 4th .of November, which spoke of the improptiety of suffering traffickers iu human flesh to bold a seat in that Howie, where they ap- peared like Satan seated among the son* of God--(A logh)---and which celled At Parliarneut.to grant on com pensation to men that dealt in human blood. it Was true that Christianity fol hide slavery, but it was equ illy true' t h a t its doctrines forbade their letting loose a large slave. p o pulation, the inevitable consequence of which must he. a general massacre. Besides which, be contended, that without taking into consider:ditto the impossibility of tom. pensation„ shivery, as it now e;isttd in its mitigated form in the w es t Indi r a, was a much lets evil than the risk w hich would follow arty alteration. Mr. BRISCOE was convinced that the general.question of thee emancipation must very soon be forced on the attention of his Maj2sty's Ministers, Milt it Was desirable that ouch a question should be settled, net only by a. vote of that House, but with the consent of the West I n dia proprietors, and under- the sanction of his Mu-. jetty's Government. The petitions which he had teen ag ain*, slavery rested their chime on the highest ',outage ground ; they designateti slavery as a crime disgraceful to man, and they dwelt on the moral and mental degradation of the slave. These petitions had likewise additional weight by having affixed to them the signatures of clergy men of all denominations, who held that it was revolting to Chii.tianity that it should be argued that slaves were private property, and therefore must not be meddled with. Mr. L. WELLESLEY was of opinion that colonial slavery was not to he got rid of, by a single Act of Parlia ment—it was so mixed up with the commercial interests lof this country, and through that with the commercial bar:este of all other countries. Mr. KEITH DOUGLAS said the petition signed by hie Noble Friend was signed ,by gentlemen of as great respectability as any in the House; and the great object of the petitioners was to implore the House, if it granted emancipation, as that would destroy all slave pro perty, to grant the West India proprietors compensation Before the House did ernancipete the slave, Inquiry would be necessary by fair and competent judge., as to what amount of compensation should be granted. His Majesty's Ministers were probably not disposed to grant inquiry, as they were generally men who rested their claim to the con fidence of the country by acting on this point in conformity to the sentiments of the people. He must, however, say, that he hoped from their general candour that they would logic atalie question, aware of all its difficulties, with a view of doing justice to all parties, and giving the country at large confidence in their decision. It was said of the West India proprietors, that they bad no feelings like other men, and that if their slaves were emancipated they would obtain free labour in the Writ Indies. This as sertion, however, .was disproved by experience. People who made that assertion did not consider what was the bode and compact of the West Indian society. It was that two or three white persons should rule over a great multitude of m'eves.. Those slaves were the labourers on the estates, and the others were the proprietoes. There were in that state of society no links between the master and the slave, and no connection between these extreme points, as 'were fuund in other communities. Those who urged forward emancipation had but a very imperfect ac quaintance with the state of society in the West ladies, and their zeal could only excite irritation, and if followed up, bring on' the dissolution of society in these island.. If society there were to be dissolved, all property would be destroyed, industry would stop, all trade would be at en cod, and nil the shipping now engaged in it annihilated at once. flow would humanity—how would justice be served by that ? Would that benefit the African ? He believed not. It would transfer our trade to other countries. He looked at the pt titions which had been piesented to the House, and 0f2,600, the amount of them, 2,200 had proceeded from the Dissenters, 60 only from the Established Church of England and Scotland, and the remainder from the community at large. MI these - peti tions proceeded on one principle—they declared that man could net be the property of man, and therefore they de manded the immediate abolition of slavery. He did net know by what original or natural right—by what else, in abort, but by the compact of society, one man here was in possession of 150,0001 a year, while tau thousand labourers dill not share as much amongst them. Was that, be would ask, natural and just ? Was it more natural awl mere to be honoured, than that men were the property of men in the Weft Indies? What was it but the com pact of society which gave the Duke of Devonshire a right to his property? Might not his servant say, in digging his garden, that lie did it for himself, and not for him, and that the Duke had no tight to the produce? In the West Indies the compact was different; and if ' the landed proprietor in England was bound to defer to the tights of the labourers, in the West Indies the pro prietor was hound to look after the welfare of his :slaves, to make them comfortable and promote their improve meet. Whet he thought should be done !elate emanci. ;melon was granted was, to inquire closely into the rate of the colonies. For example, the Established Church of England was perhaps little suited to the colonies; and it would be wise to inquire if the church of Scotland, as there were many persons belonging to that church is the Islands, might not he extended in ahem. Alresdy wire Commissioners had been sent to inquire into the state of Judicature in. the and that inquiry ought to be pursued. He wished for a Reform in Parliament to a certain extent . ; but he must think a Reform would be mischievous if it would prevent the Members from delibe rating (icily and fairly on the affairs of 'the country. Lord Al ORNE'FIi would not have said one word, if it had not been for some of the observations of the last lion. Members. Something had been said about " Swing ;" bat that gentleman'a of orta were not to be justified by the exertions of the people of England to relieve the slaves. The slaves of the Wiat Indies were the property of their masters ; the labourers of England were the property of ito man. The relations which took place . in this country be tween landlord and labourer were the consequences of an unalterable state of society, and depended on principles that everywhere prevailed. The slavery in the West Indies was founded on art original wrong, which was yet unredreseed, which was in fact, in its consequences, yet in full opera tion. It eras founded in Acts of Parliament utterly re pugnant to the sentiments of right and wrung implanted in the heart of man. The Bible said that there should he always poor in the land; but it nowhere amid that there should be always slaves. On the contrary, it gave rea son to believe that slavery *hold be extinguished. He was aware, and had always said, that there was exaggere tion on the side of the emancipationists; bat exaggeration on their side was net more mischievous than concealment on the other. For his own part, he wished for nothing more than that the question should be decided after im partial consideration. Mr. MACAULAY agreed with the Noble Lord and the Hon. Gentleman, and 'agreed, too, with the peti tioners, that whenever slavery was exinguished, all the loss of property which might arise theuld be made good by the Government. He 'weed in this opinion, not be cause he agreed with what fell from the Hon. Member for Dumfries, which, by the bye, lie did not understand, shout the compact of society. He did not see from that species of metaphysical argument how protection for pro. perty was necessary ; but It was found by experience that it was bad for men that property should sot he secured, anti that great inconvenience resulted from violating pro perty, on the ground, it wee said, that men should have their property protected. After the public hail declared, by Acts of Parliament, that men should be property after they had been bought and sold, deposited as pledges, made to answer far dowers, great inconvenience would result from taking away that species of property, and the mas ters anti owners ought to be compensated. lie declared that he thought, in common with most of those who peti tioned the House, that slavery ought to be extinguished; but he and they all contemplated, on its extinction, giving a rea sonable compensation to the masters of slaves. It was a charge against the petitions for the abolition that they were all got up under the influence of the Anti-Slavery Society. The petitions were gut up under that influencee—was that extraordinary? Who should inform the people of Eng land, busily employed in their own domestic occupa tiens,cf what occurred in the West Indies, if some such Beeiety did: tot undertake the task? But the influence the Society possessed was over the public mind. It hail no other. It appealed to the public reason. It had no mo nopoly of the public Press. 'lts reports and proceedings were open to cavil and objection. The periodical litera ture was as much in the hands of the West Indians as their opponents. Magazine and Reviewers were on their side: of celebrated work's, he believed that the Qvar lowly Review had slaters been in their favour. lie did not believe. that there wag one of those periodical publics lions which were ,meat read—he meant • the news, papers—he did not believe that there was one of the London newspapers that was fully and completely on the side of the • abolitionists. The organs of the West: India hotly were as numerous as those of the other side, and their funds wets at least equal to those of , the Anti-; Slavery Society. It was not long egolhat the West India body gave as much to one writer as the Anti-Slavery So. ciety received and employed in a year. The fact was, onhw t I fpa l e s titlra t hei ta h e lic.c u ,ntei s W yptrerr e foli s egt : foroi ; e u isnniti ( a l ava i be a hrl by:bed:gel failed an thewit rney a sdgi, trying ogog i pr ; pssut eni t ans h midc e te: wrong . tamid eoißtdanti tnoba.fAlliepl effortswere e n carried further and further away every year from their ob ject. The petitions, it was said, were violent : hut, though nobody supposed violence was good, what. good cense had escaped being disfigured by violence? The Chris. tian religion itself at its origin was disfiured by many pious frauds, and fanatics then abounded. Such was the case, too, at the ReforMation, and much violence was instruitientel in bringing it to a conclusion. For his part he did not charge the West India belly with 'the calumny that was uttered against the abolitionist*. Theta'', he knew, contained minty honourable men, who were free . from all suspicion of such a charge, and who scouted as much as any honourable men could those people who lived by slander, and traded in violent 'abuse, end in %viten , the ideas of caltimny and their desires were inseparably bated. He would do justice to them, and let them do justice to their opponents. let neither party recriminate any longer, Let them all consider the matter like states. men and legislators. Let them ask themselves, was there any evil; and was there a remedy for it? Were ' they the people who ought to epply the remedy, and was this the time ?• 'lt this were the time and they wets the people, he 10641 implore them to apply the remedy, lie saw that there were many difficulties in the way of it ; but jest lifi h , rn officede e t ,wre o tewh u e:r g atati l ur on , t ho u g h t eadt t io l hte s tay e hrso d t .t i d ffi ,on e nTh u tah l : se i se ;, character statesmen a o n: would ;l oi re ad i l y fthem I,wo theorymh who had Itovanishb at a 41 lately er tire elya t t it s ko u eno l 1 : ahkeenhomdp no o y d at o a n teu bt m t e h n ot ef th a rr e w ip o a u e l i d ou b e ri i o nt i e l f l o oc r t . wardtheyt i rw. t qu estio n h oß e uEldnsNh n. Li n i saq n uid a i r y p t h. r s o proper esh m et i l n :o c nn e d r .i . g I - fseimcmoldt:errat enbd al inquiry. ic:up oui rlyi hat under-rated, ho believed, the el.flicultiea of the teak. There was the interest of this coontry to Ice considered— ' the interest of the West Indians—and there was also the interest of the negroes themselves. They vat] ttot be Ist loose like paupers. There WAR no poor law in the West Indies; and if the slaves were removed from the autbegltY and contend of their masters, whose interest and duty it wast e . se T l%w eh s neh rna t ie r itre t s et t s f e e d Legi sl a ture a, u r ni e sE m t n r t d e i t: n ia r ta hm k i g h r n eAu ei s i t s dlta t h , ri co un tr y ,el' Tad : ti r n i i 'l ,l b g smi i yg i c " si a pi t hdt v lr. m ho e e°,wftg.iodmwri thattra t 4 1 Pe siii N i r i i i dw a ni E l o od, ' e o n i t t mi ; ti l st t hpol we i o od n e y l ri tit g ' yi wa rgt, co u ld eter t ilie w : .i ei l n itil t o h y l e ei t h i d , l o l . ll e o . f t il lahr it m i n : l: cu : h i n , p g r e r mare Legislatureairr:dtr: lei :: ei t l i tfil ? o dium p ar r e itoc t y iip P it i n nsfit i t e r ' ail i. e. ; 1 his improvement by all poesible means. the fi rst wish of the great West India merchants and proprietors was, that inquiry should be established, of every man in the community. The neat was that if it early'emancipation should take place, then they wilbea that compeneation &mu! I be given, and that they looked den Mr. POWELL BUXTON said, it was * soll'ir'''' - , circumstance that inquiry was now demanded; and why - there w ito t h b ,had begun l a ie s yr t te ai tmr nl ph il at l ae n i g in a o l on qp.e l e i t un t , i se. yn t . h ie dsielenetcwsiorhPleit'sai:oatafil:q:::::heretofore someirylaett.,antnaidnhei demanded' ei d o n iia p n d n e: o .t t 0 0 l I f n l l ß thh t e f ' ya l t o ri rnrymnitte; much del pleatl i" I n o d el l f o r i ul i t i s nr i o n I t dY w i : o ;l l l i n ; i l f l si l -' thrown on him. The country was satis fi ed by effi i n ntt 11(11 ; 11 1 d eer, dr el d Hvi— • yoe e us a tsf m eor e iwn tt id t i t a h:e a u l teA r ho e m,:im a feta d eneminnsri p ppud u :: l tan t i l in: i t s sindo l t, , in e tohn i b: . tilitg:i T it:islanetteo Planter t si nipn t n i ,ot s :es i i,o, n ir),i e bo s sii:aritibfiatila:fritnirt) liohfititet the country demanded, and it demanded that the abolition should f he accomplished with the least popible injury t° t, the slaves. He had heard it observed out of doors ; staele to the abolition. If the West Indian body come to the Government must pay them 140 millions sterling; if net wish for compensation— it t w° l;lisel itswhetPll;itntitahelytentirelboil.- tinus In the apeculationi which was made on thil;!tiooti jrct, there was one party entirely overlooked g? '. l ' ,_ cam co m pensation pen h sa e ti o o i n w . a w ye a ti s e addutenittedtbleha'tlaivfeethe Itrilerenteer:lwiteletrie mil:: a t iw t fn e rh n itte s el a wa t t ea lon:p l bir b :el y aveit t cni k : e aocn ß frei r tmi h h i p t a eeo i d . s tp h e a ;G : :: , : t e v i : l ly e l pi r i l e na m b ; et e h i t a nn tt gli ; seco : i b im c ol o : p t inite :i ntedo tl i w orf laas b wee ft l i si ß b i ,brii i ten that the right deigned over the slave wa n foto led I te give nothing to the awe ? If he n pprove. de was he chant being compensated for the loss of his , h i" lite which to give no rompensation to that living terre- ant , tri . e i r y, was made the object of this traffic / The otyl • I ii :I , into he thought, which ought to be made, we' en,,liul .paver!' the the best and shortest way of putting an gnu be lie hoped that the question • f compensation brought forward, but brought f•rward Gall whe ll was put an end to. the C L lo onn e t l ry Sl b l e l i T ng H l O ed ß a P w E ay pr i o l te t s i t i e e d s s oi g t a r i r n o s t t n i t h i e pu i p .l l;_s it i: /„A : i n gd , the Anti-Slavery llsports, of whiels not more e ',.'" o , i word in every fi ve thousand was worthy of hel i V i f ,io was disposed to grant entancipstion when thelrl. ,but prepared to compensate th e planters for the ir . 0 , 1 , 0 0 ,1 0 before they determined on taking inch a course, l e '4. it would he right to ascertain from what source:o. atien the amount of the compensation was to he tlrs a the S i i iw r g G il E sg O e ll o G r E the itl it U un ilß ie l o 'T be i r f dDisopulgalyeatti'obtsefficchieargnt macttilvieitlyitiin accomplishment of the emancipation of the slaves i ; 1 21 West India Colonies. Sir, I Iteve always 01;1)0 14 . , traordinari s' this, moment, thst n sbstain horn an/ ex . , „ m et tiviry in the measures to be carried into effect wit h t: , ,,r_ r, to the Colonies was a merit rather than a defeet-- 10 t f s d hear)--and that it was the duty of the . G . tavern o. . ds . the it,hrre r a w ant i ge s wish yv t e t pr f ya t ut h ai r : Le nt: e g „ 7 i I t : : t , oe u h r r e it 7 ac t ii,:lp(t)inw the h.htaoi yen osoi It it,t,t l nir:lo,,hi t ,g t :e : et s i nrr good hpg tr e _ t,o.,,, e ri c e l tyrb ' , t co t i n°l° : : ° • no:c ''t r ° r f i lai i b ur ' , ) 1 0 41d1 ,p 0 : 1r 1 p , 1!_ l s i ir li °. t , : 1 11 citing those premature eiGintsverernpfomlrreaprntigiutobitirlirftitcol?:s:l:_c'o,:nh."4l !li !titian which they was to take what may be called leoyoured to abitaiith is ' the stahjert.--( Hear, hear) --1 eti . It - woe o f abs GOO' had so Porrtcetannl,eard dercribed as likelYw h i le tn ea r i t ni official del!ttey°itnutt)troß:ddneuoalrlfnawig‘illiethttrhgewmilin,thitteirrerreenttrie,(onici.eitieornoeirn;tryi meatu ni n da co:loyal on laboured o e e h: ntohgla i t h iraf t ,b e : , l est . f id e t s o pn n rryi t n e i otenfi solely I p g i t s it i e s u b t ‘ i e lt n t irgeopehftSat°.: jet j e t ti r il iC t i ft we e ll leh i s i. e os r° l ' .l ll. : :: t r er os ai l, et t r iel . r : l) : ) . l: : ' r e s n e :l l o ° : l , l: manity.-4 Hear, hear.) --In the hand' af g e_l'. ei o f any , I always conceived it right that the torenwoitoreot I measures of the Legislature should he itt_ourehre el. were, in nay opinion, situated in the eon; ge_ Liall wer e o , won , ' " uw f short , tion for carrying into effect tiler rn , , er , C fore , . of f r e t e i s e t ; h o p e, . a l i n w r a l y lLo t ( ci titithorens enti re , r :I h n eeertr aboli tion h iso e n u r te )...:_ :P a l l i t F i i ; the t ha o i i i r r h :bl i o nb i da. l l vadr Legislature,avo u r g t b to eca pr ot r i ve loci e i ! b n l s e of i'r tlhoeolpieelplaelotfhtfeehthlgitaeuretclicc:tenai:tnuntir'Gi;:ni;j:trut::ll;:lnretittni'lglsilt:irli:wrhtil:::i 'wjefsr'reequ°ireicatehntosittstssiuretrenXtryanttetes'llap'e'dri,:;:adhlati It'fhern.F,d time to render the black populating' itself , to he bow s ,. ing and apprecisting the benefit on them.—(Hear, hear.). —The lion. ,I u ... wi ntry el, ..,, fries (Mr. Douglas) has allude:not" English Nobleman, in suppott of his arge_riiie toe the could be any comparison between the man .._:boo..it; hlca.ings of freedom and the slave--(tle'l the being is P i . there could be any parallel armee he . t ho p e less 04 IP Ite writhes under the lash of th e driver, t b n whatever Oat i• i t m h i e na p le o le ve ho rty nd o a r get t , n4 a r n r t y l t o h f e hfrieran w thwiiiiiee, hort o , 10 pro his power, by industry, temperance , el l net oly M I , o in raise himself, and, in point of fact, fret hot sas h e s himself, in this land of liberty, to 111 , 1 ...f . e nd wrt i n t p or the State , sod to rank among the geilint,hee for m ot 1 of its reets..--( Hear. ).--The lions )"` thi o the .t . ., fries (Mr. Douglas) Items also to intitn!:_i a too oven s " it of judicature in the West Wits has 1 y er er , t oe, tl' i. s ot l ie gleeted by the. late Goverunaent. It is ec ' e ssagf ; 'i o to had not been done which was Jorge' ll otte ndati epl ! ta y i 61 unfortunately, not so May to cast , roc,: . h l3l l i c i s t P rer" the proper form as some persons hog!' e , t . t he - ni t to be with Rome confidence, that regulatioos ''_...„„ o bon s, to I ment of the jedieaturts in the colonic/ are l l ' n n awier ,- l en 1 ,,,,n astablisheth tinder the orders of the lite i the y hsre to . i all the colonies of the West Indies ; A n" or Ille ° l l ion . ,t already carried into effect ia every colneY u r. ),..-Ti r tor i diate controul of the Crown.--(lleart in, e llerr b di 1 Member has also referred to the state en the n ot feeb l y _h , ittelcisthdmuerni:ginthetheteirnoleonoiesi .rnylccosoantEfieewsis:lrdl_ clo:pte.tiri.::,,lllo::,.., that OW eoltil' e ' ailed 011 to make any alteration on with t he - id 1. t , ,i waswas utonhgairpepi;ltoaortdpeortymapielentte, libe r ty . I° ._ a t „i e esere tett curb as much as possible thst spirit 0.1" to , into 7 d et with the laws of this country and er trl, g e.-' o ir variance with the liberal opinions 01 ,„ t o f the C', 1 :40 01 Itcar.)--With respect to the appointo.' 04 ,011 IP ,ory elan of Inquiry, I see no good it c ould! , abs eso.iiit exceptdelay; and I believe the Parliatneon l ed 1 ., / i IS i fy "quire no delay except that which ill i l y in se eT . ito judgment, prndence, and caution, whii` t '',, ft ert%ile the extent and manner of inlet ference es which eartition producing evils -Mere injurious than +my ir o “. tion hv ii e (Hear, herr.) The questing of ooriTentipios, I4e muck Introduced in the course d ait (Pa c .. l , 01 3 ''. 4 t o , t • pan $ , ..iii _ ~. that nothing can be more proper, us t,` In dira sity e on fl West 0 ~ eery than that the planters of the like ly tO o 101 1 f, calve eompensaion for th e loss they ere / c ore_ 0- , by the emancipition of the negroes; ho e 0 t o ur f , o o at a loss to untlerttand what ' good v o lf f :i. to l', e . ( 0 6 oreicred even by giving compeneatioe, tl e '_,l....ll°P;ie ,n with immediete emancipation.--( Heart h u- _, t i t htnit li .:4 ll emincipatino, such as some of the n nr r . . 0 , 1 01 1r ", t ie ' bout an" r 3 01 recd' this coutitry tequire, would, wit .h, m i n re n tn rs ea r s o n free; thewhich cii atlnTgre,nemreeratialyty,frotOlrdprrap:l3;.ltt: tiFti,,,,o: knii.loll of murder, and an en de coor t it dreadful scenes of • [ ander and deveitatt:.it if $ r et est tion, I think, the Outer. should receive ; i ".' t o e ni o vi d o• immediate emancipation to these who are • % li ly s,ir in the ignorenee of bondage, end who at: ~0 r if ,ny , pared fur the enj..yir ent of liberiy, wile!! e .. r ,e ,, 0 5t . c,,„,... owners or do not p ty ',thent, we shottia . 1 ",,„ 0P i4 ,11 icing confueitta at d Aliorder tlarough"o`,..4 00, 1 7, 4 o 1 , give a !keels' to rapine and licentiOusustes-=-170 I ,lt " . the bltn(ls of society—anal Make those tliK g l .14 scent of rain and deaolation.--(fiett,`ltesr. of e lein I After a few , words from Mr. k• voll at ' 1