The Sun. — London, England, 1863-03-14 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT HOUSE OF LORDS—Last Evening. The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack at the usual hour. ..... PETITIONS. The Duke of DEVONSHIRE presented a petition from the county of Derby, praying for an improvement in the Game Law passed last session. Earl GREY presented a petition from a place in North umberland, praying for an amendment in the bribery law. MR. O'MALLEY IRWIN. Lord CRANWORT H. presented a petition from Mr. O'Malley Trwin, praying for a commission to inquire into the way in which his petition of right which he had pre rented had been dealt with. BIRTHS, DEATHS, AND REGISTRATIONS (IRELAND) BILL. Earl ST. GERMANS moved the second reading of this bill. The object was to extend to Ireland the sys tem of registration established in England in 1836, and in Scotland in 1854, except in regard to marriages, the registration of which could not be provided for in Ireland I uhless by an alteration in the marriage law. He hoped that the time was not far distant when the marriage law of the three kingdoms would be assimilated and consolidated, per mitting of a system of registration; but in the meantime it was proper that the system of registration, found to work so well in the United Kingdom, should be extended to Ire land, so far as circumstances would permit. The - Marquis of CLANRICARDE had no particular objection to the bill, but he doubted whether the medical officers on whom it was proposed to devolve the duty of registrars were the fittest parties for that duty. The guardians, he thought, ought to have the power of appointing the registrar. He quite agreed in the necessity for the immediate alteration of the marriage law, and in regard to registration the Government must act not only with discretion but firmness. He trusted the Government - would lose no time in taking the matter in hand. The bill was read a second time. DRAINAGE OF LAND (IRELAND) BILL. Tho house went into committee on this bill. Viscount LIFFORD said the bill was very simple, and might, he thought, at once pass through the committee, The Marquis of CLANRICARDE noticed that the greater part of the bill—the first part of it, which was the most important—had been omitted. Originally there were 85 clauses and two schedules, which were now reduced to l7short clauses and one schedule. They ought to have the opportunity, considering the importance of the measure, of expressing their opinions upon it. He hoped that for that purpose, the debate would be adjourned for a week. Viscount LIFFO RD suggested that the bill might pass through committee, and a discussion took place on the third reading, which would be postponed for a week, The bill passed through committees, and was reported to the house. ECCLESIASTICAL PATRONAGE. The LORD CHANCELLOR had a notice on the paper that he would call the attention of the house to the Ecclesi astical patronage vested in the Lord Chancellor, and would present a bill on the subject, but intended that in order to give time for due consideration he would postpone the in troduction of the bill till Tuesday. MALT DUTY BILL. On the motion of Earl URANVILLE this bill was read a second time. Their lordships adjourned at 20 minutes to six. HOUSE OF COMMONS—Last Evening, The SPEAKER took the chair at 4 o'clock. PETITIONS. Several petitions were presented against the sale of in toxicating liquors on the Sabbath. GALWAY SUBSIDY. On the motion of Mr. BAXTER, a copy of the letter from the chairman of the Great Ship Company, dated March 7, 1863, to the Postmaster-General on the renewal of this subsidy, was ordered. THE AL AB AMA. On the motion of Mr. 'WHITE, a copy of the correspon dence between the Commissioners of Customs and the Custom-house authorities at Liverpool, relating to the building, fitting out, and sailing of the vessel No. 290, since known as the Confederate cruiser Alabama, was ordered. UNION OF BENEFICES ACT. On the motion of Mr. CUBITT, an address for copies of all commissions issued by the Bishop of London under the Act 23 and 24 "Tic., c, 142, and the returns made, was ordered. GERMAN SETTLERS AT THE CAPE. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY asked the Secretary to the Treasury if the two letters dated Dec. 18, 1861, from Sir 33. Hawes to the Lords of the Treasury, and the answer of the Lords of the Treasury, dated March 10, 1862, were the whole correspondence, according to the order of the house for a " copy of the correspon dence between the War-office, the Treasury, and the Governor of the Cape of Good Hope, relating to any pay ment made to the Cape German settlers during the finan cial year 1860-61;" and, if the whole correspondence had not been given, whether there was any objection to place it upon the table of the house ? Sir G. C. LEWIS replied that, on referring to the cor respondence, he found there was another letter not yet pro duced, but not a material part of it. He should feel happy to produce that letter. There was a general previous cor respondence, but it did not refer to the particular matter which the hon. baronet had brought before the house. DUDE. Col. FRENCH asked the Seeretary of State for India whether the opinions of the law officers of the Crown had been obtained by him upon the claims of the representative of the late Capt, R. Frith, or of any other of the claimants upon the late State of Oude ; and, if so, whether he had any objection that copies of such opinions be laid upon the table of the house ? _ Sir C. WOOD replied that it was contrary to the usual practice to lay the confidential opinions of the law officers of the Crown on the table of the house. The opinion which he (Sir C. Wood) had formed was based upon the opinions of the law officers of the Crown. MORTALITY AT ROTHERHAM. Mr. CHILDERS asked the Secretary of State for the Home Department, whether his attention had been directed to the alarming extant of mortality and disease in the town of Rotherham, arising from the state of drainage and the imperfect supply of water; and, whether Government would take measures to enforce a remedy thereof ? Sir G. GREY replied that the attention of the Privy Council had been called to the matter, and two medical inspectors had been sent down to make an inquiry. The authorities of the town had applied for powers to obtain a better supply of water and drainage. TRIAL OF GUNS. Sir J. FERGUSSON asked the Secretary of State for War, whether, before the Committee which he stated on Monday last had been appointed to consider the respective merits of the Armstrong and Whitworth guns, the latter were to be tried against the service, field, and garrison guns of Sir W. Armstrong's pattern, or against others of an altered construction ? Sir G. C. LEWIS replied that no restrictions were imposed. THE PROCESSION OF SAT URDAY—THE CITY AND METROPOLITAN POLICE. On the motion for going into a committee of supply, Sir DE LACY EVANS rose to bring under the con sideration of the house the expediency of amalgamating the Metropolitan and City of London police establishments. He considered that there should be but one police for the entire metropolis. The result of the bad management on the part of the police on Saturday was, that both the Prince and Princess were exceedingly alarmed for their own safety. It was not improbable that the dejeuner at the Guildhall on Saturday morning had to someextent detained the civic authorities from their municipal duties on this occasion. (Hear, and laughter.) He cited the loss of eight lives in the City and none in the metropolitan police district on the night of the illuminattons, as evidence of the bad management of the police on that occasion. (Hear.) The LORD MAYOR said the matter brought before this house by the hon. and gallant member involved much larger questions than appeared on the surface; it was, in fact, the culminating point of the grievances that had been unnecessarily sot before the public during the last week. On Saturday the whole business of keeping order rested upon the city police. Large vans containing metropolitan police were driven into the city in the course of the morning, and materially contributed to create confusion. The judges sitting at the Central Criminal Court were re peatedly in the habit of stating that the city police exhibited more zeal and ability than the metropolitan police, (Oh, oh.) It was untrue that the City had refused the aid of a squadron of cavalry. The City understood that they would have the benefit of the Life Guards, whose majestic appearance and well-trained horses would have contributed mush to keep order. All the military the city had was 200 artillerymen, whose horses were so caparisoned that they created a great deal of obstruction; indeed, they consti tuted the worst force that could have been employed. He (the Lord Mayor) told the noble lord (Lord A. Paget) that he should have liked 400 Life Guards, if he could have got them. The City author i ties gave the moat emphatic instructions that the volunteers should not be engaged in keeping the peop le back—that they should be kept a t t h e chief barriers as part of the spectacle, and as objects of attraction—(renewed laughter)—moreover, in every way to give way to the crowd. (Laughter.) The officer in com mand of the troops to which he (the Lord Mayor) h a d the honour to belong, instead of coming to the Man sion-house from the forming ground, a dis tance of only 480 yards, he most improperly went round a distance of 3,000. (Laughter.) In getting to their appointed place at the Mansion-house they caused great confusion, and were themselves lost in the crowd. (Much laughter.) He did not refuse the aid of the metro politan police, because their aid was never offered. He saw carriages pass the Mansion-house freely and rapidly, but it appeared that carriages were detained many hours in the metropolitan district. (Hear, hear.) He was at the Mansion -house on the night of the illumination, believing it a post of danger. (Laughter.) The crowd was so gnat that he feared, if barriers had been used, as suggested, there THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY EVEIstING, IVIARCEI 14, 1861 _ Sir G, GREY said he was not at all surprised that his hon. and gallant friend had brought this subject under the consideration of the house. There could be no doubt that on Saturday last there was a very groat obstruction to the progress of the Royal carriages through the city of London, and he had felt it his duty to write to the Lord Mayor to call his attention to the subject, and to remind him that the route was fixed, and her Majesty's consent given to that route being adopted on the distinct understanding that most effectual means should be taken to prevent confusion, and that he received an assurance from the City authorities that their arrangements were adequate to that purpose. There was no doubt that on the whole route from the Bricklayers' Arms to London-bridge, and again from Temple-bar to Pad dington, although a vast multitude of people assembled there was not the slightest delay or obstruction, but no sooner did the procession pass on to London-bridge than a delay of 20 minutes took place. Again, a considerable delay took place at the Mansion -house, and he was informed by several gentlemen who witnessed the passing of the proces sion, that there appeared to be an abscence of authority to give directions to the police and to render that assistance which it was in their power to give. He had called on the Lord Mayor to furnish him with a return of the number of police employed on the occasion, and the details of the ar rangements. He deeply regretted that these obstructions took place, because they were the only circumstances which in the slightest degree lessened the effect or marred the splendour of the cordial and enthusiastic reception accorded to the Prince of Wales and the Princess Alexandra by the metropolis that day. The Lord Mayor bad stated that as sistance was not offered by the metropolitan police, nor by the military authorities. No, he was informed that the military authorities did offer assistance, and that that as sistance was absolutely refused ; but, with great difficulty the City authorities were persuaded to admit into the City a few mounted artillery, who were very useful. 'With regard to the metropolitan police force, he might state what was the law upon the subject. The law gave the City autho rities absolute power to remove all obstructions from the streets, especially on occasions of public processions, and the metropolitan police could only be employed in the City on the request of the Lora Mayor. Sir Richard Mayne positively assured him that on the 28th February he attended the meeting of the City reception committee, and that he then offered to take charge of Fleet-street, that he informed them of clauses in the act, and that he reminded them that on the occasion of the Emperor of the French visiting the City the metropolitan police absolutely took charge of the streets from Tereple-bar to St. Pauli. e believed that the difficulty arose from an over-confidence in the efficiency of the police. That efficiency he considered was ample for all ordinary duties, but it was insufficient to meet an extra ordinary occasion such as that which occurred on Saturday last. He thought it would be wrong merely from what oc curred on Saturday to say at once that there should be an amalgamation of the City with the metropolitan force. He entirely agreed as to the expediency of the amalgamation, No doubt it was a great anomaly that in the centre of the metropolitan district there should be a separate jurisdiction. It was an inconvenience not only manifest on one occasion, but might arise on others. He thought that some alteration of the law was necessary, in order to give the Government for the time being, concurrently with the City authorities, power to take precautions for the purpose of keeping order in the City on such occasions. With regard to the bodies of metropolitan police which came through the City from the eastward to do duty in the west, and were said to have caused an obstruction, ho had no information ; but ho did not see how they could have created an obsttuction on Lot don-bridge. The arrangements certainly failed to ensure that success which it was desired they should secure, but he had no doubt that the experience of the past would enable them to improve their arrangements in the future and pre vent a repetition of such scenes as had occurred. He had no information except from public sources as to the fatal accidents which occurred at the illuminations, end he was not prepared to say that any one was to blame for those deaths. He believed that they occurred at two places in the City, owing to the enormous pressure ; bat he doubted whether it was practicable for the police to ensure absolute safety for persons going into great crowds. At the same time, every precaution should be taken on occasions like that to prevent such occurrences. He might say that he was commanded by her Majesty to communicate the deep grief and concern with which she had read in the papers the account of their deaths, and she had desired him to ex press her sympathy with the families of the sufferers, and to have an inquiry made into their circumstances. Mr. Alderman SID NEY thought it unfair that advan tage should be taken of the occurrence of Saturday last to inveigh against the police of the City. If it had not been for this, the area at the disposal of the sightseers would have been much extended, and there would have been no over. crowding in London. They all remembered the popular story —a horse, for want of a nail, fell into the hands of the enemy. Now it happened that on Saturday last a gallant colonel, animated by a desire for popularity, instead of con tenting himself by a route of 420 yards, extended his route to about 2,000 yards, and it was owing to this cause alone the police regulations in the City broke down. The City authorities had proved themselves on all occasion , good ad ministrators, and had always chosen the most efficient men for the discharge of public duties. The great defect was that too many of the police force had been concentrated under one head. Ifthheeard evilof Tower Hamlets, Westminster, Maryle bone*and other places in the metropolis were erected into municipaliti es then be twhoeulunddbuee concentration ti ( o o a h o . f ) t N he o p m ol o ice re would force. The noble lord said that the spectators were not a mob —that there was not amen i n th e streets w h o was n ot will ing to render assistance in p reserv i ng order. W as no t thi s a proud testimony to the authorities of the City of London? (No, no, and laughter.) He thought it a proof of the popu larity of the ruling powers inithe Cit y o f London that t h ere was not a single manifestation of ill-humour throughout the vast multitude assembled. He sincerely deplored the breaking down of the a rran g ements on Saturday last, but it was a matter which the House of Commons ought not to make too much of. (Hear, bear) Tot d ELCHO asked the Secretary ot State for War by whose authority an official paragraph recently appeared in the gimes newspaper, complaining that the space of ground railed off in Hyde-park for the volunteers on Saturday last ties unnecessarily great. Whether it was with his sanction and knowledge that the paragraph in question was pub lished : and whether, in the opinion of the Secretary of State for War, the space so enclosed was greater than was required for the necessary mancevres which had to be per farmed by the volunteers on the occasion of the passage of the Royal procession through the park. It was the wish of great numbers of the volunteers to make a loyal demonstra tion on Saturday last, and her Majesty having acceded to that wish great numbers or volunteers assembled in Hyde park. The volunteers occupied a very small space in pro portion to their numbers. This was the opinion of General Rumley. The paragraph to which he (Lord Elcho) re ferred seemed to have an official character about it, and as it reflected unjustly on the War-office and the volunteers it was hardy likely to have emanated from the Secretary of War or the Secretary for the Home Department. It was likely the paragraph emanated from Sir R. Mayne himself, and if so he had certainly forgot his position, and exceeded his duty. If there was to be a volunteer demonstration it was right that ample space should be allowed their ma noeuvres. (Hear, hear.) Sir G. C. LEWIS said he had been informed by Sir R. Mayne that the paragraph in question was furnished by him. He (sir G. C. Lewis) believed that the arrangements in Hyde-park for the volunteers were carefully made by his Royal Highness the Duke of Cambridge and Sir R. Mayne. The latter having communicated with General Rumley was informed by him that no more room was assigned to volun teers than was necessary. He (Sir G. C. Lewis) regretted to find that any misunderstanding on the subject had taken place. Lord HOTHAM said he had met, on his way down to the house that day, Sir R. Mayne in the streets, and was asked by him whether he had seen the notice of the noble lord (Elcho), from which he (Sir R, Mayne) anticipated that an attack would be made on him, and requested him (Lord Hotham) not to defend him, but merely to state the part which he had taken on the occasion. It was the custom on occasions of this description for the police to be charged with the duty of keeping the streets, and it was confided to Sir R. Mayne to make the necessary arrangements for the recent procession—not only for the streets but for the park. In the latter place he caused to be marked out a space sufficient for the royal procession, and also for the volunteers, It was also arrasged that the volunteers were not to occupy a single inch of ground that might interfere with the gratification of the loyal population of the metropolis who would be pre sent. These arrangements had been made on Friday. On Friday night Sir R. Mayne received information that the military authorities were making different arrangements ; that they were taking a much larger space, and issuing tickets of admission for intended occupants. On going to the park on Saturday morning he was astonished to find that a vastly larger space had been set off for the volunteers than had been originally intended, and that the result would be to deprive thousands of an opportunity of seeing the pro cession. The noble lord (Lord Elcho) said no more space was taken than was necessary for the manoeuvres of the volunteers. But it was not a review day. (Hear, hear.) The volunteers were merely there to show, like others, their loyalty. (Hear, hear.) According to the noble lord, the vo lunteers must be wanting in discipline if they could not take up their position in the ample space assigned them by Sir R. Mayne. Lord ELCHO said he attributed nothing to the volunteers but what had been attributed by the general in command, Lord HOTHAM said the noble lord and his well-ap pointed corps could pass, and he could not fail to observe, also, how a battalion of the Grenadier Guards, to which he (Lord Hotham) once belonged, came down Pall-mall and took up their positions on each side of the street without any inconvenience to the public. They did not require 120 yards in width to execute their manoeuvres. He had heard it stated as a reason why so much ground was wanted for the volunteers was, that they were to march past, Whom were they to march past? The precession had gone on. Lord ELCHO—The general in command. (Lsughter.) Lord HOTHAM was sure that General Rumley would not expect them to do any such thing. (Hear, hear.) When Sir R. Mayne observed cn Saturday morning the alterations that had Leen made, he immediately suspended one of his officers for allowing, at the bidding of a staff officer, the first arrangements to be departed from without communi cating with him (Sir R. Mayne). With respect to the paragraph in The Times, it was said by the noble lord that it was wrong for an official to send communications of the kind to the newspapers. Nothing, however, was more com mon than for hon. members to do so, and even members of the Government frequently communicated public papers to the press before they were furnished to members of the house. Let him further say, there was not the slightest soreness on the part of Sir Richard Mayne in consequence of anything that might be done with his orders. His noble friend, as usual on such occasions, said that arrangements should be made by the War Office and the Horse Guards. That might be so, but if Sir Richard Mayne had been informed by his hon. friend the Secretary of State for the Home Department that to Hyde-park he need pay no attention, he could say, on the part of Sir Richard Mayne, that if it had been proper for him so to speak, with the plain freedom of the Secretary of State, he would have said, " I am very much obliged to you, because then I shall have many more police to put on elsewhere." But inasmuch as no communication had been made to him, he felt it his duty, until informed to the con trary by the right hon. baronet, to act as he had always done on similar occasions. Lest there should be any mistake as to what he (Lord Hotham) had stated, he would read, word for word, a letter which Sir Richard Mayne had ad dressed to a gentleman connected with the Times newspaper. which his noble friend had made the basis of his motion, from which his noble friend and the house would see by what feeling Sir Richard Mayne was actuated, and the desire he had to show that he was not in fault, and that he regretted that better arrangements had not been made. Sir Richard Mayne wrote in this manner :—" With reference to the very just observations in the Times' report of this morning (page 11) of the people being kept at too great a dis tance from the line of procession in Hyde-park, and as re gards the police interfering for that purpose, it was contrary to my express order, and I have suspended the superinten dent who had charge of that part of the line, although he pleaded in extenuation that he acted ut,on the urgent demand of a staff officer, that he should place the police at the distance along the hurdles. My intention was that so much ground only should be occupied as would allow room for the Royal cortege and the columns of the volunteers at the side. I was much annoyed on coming into the park to fled that the police had acted contrary to my orders, the effect being to deprive the people of all sight of the Princess, and to deprive the Royal party of the joyous cheering which had been heard elsewhere at every paint. I never witnessed smell continued and hearty exclamations of Welcome' as were given on Saturday by the countless multitude of all classes, from the Borough along the whole route. You may take any notice you may think proper of the arrange ments in the Park," That was all that was written by Sir Richard Mayne. (Cheers.) He (Lord Hotham) had no other object in view than that which actuated other hon. mem bers of that house; that when an individual was attacked. be he high or low, when aspersions had been unjustly cast upon him, that he should have an opportunity of his case being stated, and showing that his cause had been just. However in other matters the House of Commons was in.. fluenced by political feeling, in a case of truth and justice between man and man, the House of Commons would not, he believed, go wrong. (Loud cheers.) Sir G. GREY expressed his deep regret that there should have been any conflicting orders between the civil and military departments on this occasion, and he must a'so re gret that his noble !Hand had brought the subject forward. The fact was that Sir R. Mayne was actuated by the desire, which did him the greatest credit, that the arrangements under his directions should be such as to afford every pos sible opportunity to the surging multitudes to witness the Royal procession. (Hear.) The military authorities seem to have taken a different view of the occasion, so far as the procession was concerned. He and Sir Richard Mayne understood with regard to the volunteers that they should form a line through which the Royal procession should pass, allowing a certain space behind to which the public might be admitted and obtain a compara tively near view of the proceedings. The mili tary authorities appeared to have considered it as a parade ground and review, and they therefore thought it required a much larger space. He was sorry that the mis understanding occurred, and that there should not have been better previous concert. With reference to all future public exhibitions effectual means would be taken to prevent any such misunderstanding. He was very sorry that such a misunderstanding had occurred, but it arose from a desire of both parties to do what t hey considered their duty. The subject then dropped. CHINA. Colonel SYKES asked the Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs whether the Government would communi cate to the house any further papers, in continuation of those of the session of 1862, respecting the progress of affairs in China, particularly in regard to the recent mutiny of the drilled Chinese troops under Gen. Burgcvine ; the accusation of treason and robbery against that officer; his removal from his command, and the issue of a proclamation by the Footae of Shanghai offering a reward of 20,000 dole. for his head ; the appointment of Captain Holland, of the Royal Marines, by Major-General Stavaley, commanding the British force at Shanghai, to the temporary command ; the refusal of the Chinese troops to accept him as their com mander ; and any information of the proceedings of Capt. Dew, R.N., at Ningpo. THE POPE AND MR. ODO RUSSELL. Mr. STIRLING called the attention of the house to a portion of the correspondence relating to the affairs of Rome, and asked the Under-Secretary ot State for Foreign Affairs whether there was any objection to lay upon the table a copy of the despatch of Mr. Odo Russell, or of a part of it, re porting those words of the Pope during their conversation on the 26th July, 1862, which led to Eal I Russell's despatch ot the 25th of October, and the suggestion that the Pope should retire to Malta. The hon, member said he was in , dnced to take the present course in consequence of the dif ferent versions which were given of what had taken place during the conversation between the Pope and Mr. Odo Russell. Earl Rtueell had characterised the French ver- sion of the affair as entirely inaccurate ; but the French papers, though hating no liberty in anything else, were allowed by the Government to amuse their readers by re peating the French account of the " incident Odo Rus sell." They all knew that the French Minister for Foreign Affairs hid the press of that country entirely un der his authority, and that he could extinguish it if he pleased ; he was, in short, the sub-editor of the French press, responsible to nobody but the Emperor, who was the editor-in-chief. (Hear.) It appeared to him that the original despatch from Mr. Odo Russell would throw light on the matter, and set at rest the misapprehensions which now prevailed. He would not ask the hcn. gentleman to give the whole of the despatch, as parts of it might be con fidential, but the portion relating to the interview with the Pope OUTRAGES IN JAPAN. Mr. H. SEYMOUR rose to call the attention of the house to recent occurrences in Japan, and to move for papers ; and said he was justified in doing so from the con tinued outrages and murders which had been committed by the Japanese. In 1860 they had attacked two Dutch cap tains ; in 1861 they made an attack on the American Secre tary of Legation; and in 1862 they murdered Mr. Richard son. Capt. Neild wrote some months ago for instructions how to act under those accumulated grievances, and those who had relations in that country were anxious to know if the Government intended to take any steps to prevent re petitions of those lamentable circumstances. The feeling of the British merchants in Japan was that the Foreign-office did not take sufficient care in the selection of their agents in that country, and they believed that gentlemen might be found capable of opening up our relations with Japan, and at the same time conduct themselves like Christian Eng lish gentlemen. Col. Neild had had no Eastern experience. He joined the liberating army in Portugal in 1832, and was for 30 years afterwards in Turkey, when suddenly he found himself appointed by the Foreign-office to China, and then to Japan. The hon. member urged that men better ac quainted with the East and the manners of the people might have been found for the consular duties at Japan. It was useless to attempt to reduce the army and navy estimates whilst men, from their ignorance of the people amongst whom they were sent, were likely to embroil us inwars that might cost millions. Mr. LAYARD said that all the papers in the possession of the Foreign. office with regard to China had been laid upon the table of the house. Ho had no information rela tive to the offer of 20,000 dols. for Gen. Burgovine's head, and expressed his opinion that the hon. and gallant gentle man (Col. Sykes) relied more on private correspondence, which was likely to mislead him, than on the papers fur nished to the house by the Foreign-office. He was unable to give him more information than had been already sup plied. He was sorry he could not comply with the request of the hon. member for erth, with reference to Mr. Odo Russell's conversation with the Pope, on account of its being contrary to the usual custom. What took place be tween Mr. Odo Russell and the Pope relative to an asylum being offered to him in Malta was correctly reported in Mr. Odo Russell's despatch of January, which was printed amongst the papers relating to that subject that had been laid before Parliament. It was true that French news papers had contradicted the account given by Mr. Odo Russell, but ho (Mr. Layard) was convinced of the truth of Mr. Odo Russell's st-tement. He knew not what th press might say, but the utmost reliance might be placed, upon the words of an English gentleman—(hear) —especially that of a public servant so able, honourabe, and conscientious as Mr. Odo Russell. (Hear, hear.) That gentleman had never been recalled. He came to England on leave of ab sence, and on his return to Rome Earl Russell took the op portunity of furnishing him with the despatch, a copy of which had been laid upon the table. The hon. member for Poole had been misinformed with regard to Mr. Morrison. That gentleman was not sent home to England to have his conduct investigated, His health had buffered from a consi derable residence in Japan, and he came home in cause quence. It was quite true that numerous charges had been made against him in the Singapore papers of a serious cha racter, affecting him both as a consul and as a gentleman. When they were brought to the attention of the Foreign- Office a full inquiry was instituted, which resulted in that gentleman's entire acquittal. It was true that Mr. Morrison did strike a Japanese, which met with the disapprobation of her Majesty's Government, and a request that on his re turn he would be more careful in his future dealings with, and his treatment of, the natives. At the same time he must say that Mr. Morrison was one of the ablest public servants in the East ; he was perfectly acquainted with his duties, and had obtained the entire ap proval of the British residents in Japan. In consequence of the barbarous 'nuttier of Mr. Richardson, Government had sent out instructions to our consular agent to obtain full satisfaction for that outrage ; but, as they could not yet have been carried into execution, he could not with pro priety lay them on the table of the house. He defended the consular appointments by Earl Russell ; and with regard to Colonel Neild, on the showing of the hon. member for Poole, Colonel Neild had had thirty years' experience in the East before he was sent to China. Colonel Neild had very efficiently discharged his duties, and had shown that the noble earl was justified in ns .king the appointment. A misunderstanding did at one time exist between Colonel Neild and the British merchants in Japan, but he was happy to say it had been amicably arranged. Sir G. BOWYER rose to correct a mistake trade by the Under- Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs in stating that the Holy Father asked if he would be allowed an asylum in Malta if circumstances necessitated it. What the de spatches stated referred to an asylum in England, and not in Malta. Ho reminded the house that at the time the alleged conversation took place, viz., when Garibaldi was in arms and Italy was in a very unsettled state, and this conversation was nothing more than a random expression by the Pope when Mr. Odo Russell was leaving the room, which had been mistaken and misapprehended, much in the same manner as the conversation of the Speaker with a member of the house which gave rise to the report last year that the Speaker would shoot in a rifle match with the Lord Chancellor. (Laughter.) He had teen informed that since the report of this incident Mr. Ode Rus,ell had been placed in a less desirable position in Rome than before, and he asked the Under Foreign Secretary if there was any truth in the report. Mr. LAYARD said it was a slip of the tongue in using Malta for London. With regard to Mr, Odo Russell, that gentleman was as popular in Rome and as much liked there as ever. Mr. H. RUSSE ,L, who spoke in so low a tone that he was scarcely audible in the gallery, defended his brother Mr. Odo Russell, from the charge of inaccuracy relative to his conversation with the Pope. The Vatican was alarmed at that time at what was going on in Italy from Garibaldi's movements and oth-r circumstances. Our agent in Rome was in a position of great difficulty, not having there the ro .operation of Frenoh agents, as was the case in other parts the world. In Rome our policy was opposed to that of France. In Italy we wished to see the national ind<pen denee established, and the deliverance of Rome irons fo reign occupation, whilst France desired to perpetuate the temporal power of the Pope and the occupation of Rome by French troops. (Hear, hear.) He advised the English Government to have as little as possible to do with the Pope —(hear)—and let him and the other Powers get out of their difficulties as best they cool i. (Hear, hear.) He could assure the hon. member for Dundalk that his brother's posi tion was not changed in Rome is consequence of what had transpired. The house then went into committee of supply. THE ARMY ES rIMA.TES. On the first vote, General PEEL took some technical objections to the form of the estimates, and was understood to complain that when Indian troops were employed upon Imperial service —as, for example, on operations in China—the responsi bility of the Rouse of Commons over that branch of the military expenditure was not made sufficiently manifest. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER and Sir G. C. LEWIS offered explanations as to the points raised by the right hon. gentleman. After some further discussion, in which General Peel, Sir G. C. Lewis, and Mr. T. G. aring took part, Mr. W. WILLIAMS complained that there was a charge of £600,000 more this year than last, although there were 4,160 less men. 'the question of the cost of defending the colonies was one which ought to be seriously considered It was now proposed to vote 45,000 men snore than Lord Aberdeen's Government had required, the pay of which amounted to £4,000,000, according to the gallant general's calculation.' Gen. PEEL said his calculation of £lOO per man covered all military expenditure. Colonel SYKES said there would always be an open fluc tuating account between the Imperial and The Indian Go vernments so long as Indian troops were employed out of India. They ought not to be so employed without the con sent of the House of Commons. After a few brief explanations by Sir G. C. LEWIS to Sir F. Baring, Mr. Berkeley, and Lord W. Graham, upon minor details, Lord R. CECIL objected generally to the magnitude of the entire vote, and gave a statement whieh be said was the relative cost of the English and other European armies. England was £93 15s per man ; France, £34 7s ; Sardinia, £3O ; Spain, £2B 12s ; Portueal, £2B Is ; the German States, £lB 12s; and Denmark, £l2 12s. Sir G. LEWIS interrupted the noble lord to say, that the English figure was obtained by dividing the whole vote for the army by the number of men. Unless the noble lord could show that his totals were found by the same method of calculation those comparisons were valueless. (Hear.) It was customary with foreign Governments to charge half pay, pensions, &c., to a separate account. Lord R. CECIL then referred to the fact that the total cost of the English army of 148,242 men was, after deduct ing militia and navy stores, £BB per man, while in France it was but £36 ss. 10d. (Hoar, hear.) At the French rate, after making all deductions, we could save £9 14s. per man or d. in the pound on the income tax. (Hear, hear.) He particularly censured the heavy expenses for the non-com batant departments. If a reduction was to be made, and it would soon, let it be there, and not iu the number of men, leaving us as we were when the Crimean war broke out, with no army, and compelled to send out mere boys to die in the trenches. (Hear.) The difference between the two central administrations was still more startling. The cost of the English central administration made for a service of 148,000 men was £182,000; the cost of the French central administration made for a service of 400,000 men was £76,000. (Hear, hear.) The proportion per man under the English system was £l4s. Bd. ; the French proportion per man was 3s. 10d. (Hear, hear.) In England they paid six times as much to their clerks and employes in the War-office as was paid under the French system. The right hon. gen tleman would probably tell him that the institutions of the two countries were entirely different, and that intellectual wages in England were more than in France. That was true enough, as he understood the national characteristics; they paid more wages to an Englishman, but he did twice as much work ; but the peculiarity of the War-office was, the while they paid their clerks treble as much as was paid in France, these clerks did not do half as much work. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) With regard to war like stores, the department in which the right hon. gen tleman struck off a million at a blow, thus creating mag nificent ruins in order to enable them to judge of the more magnificent structure he had left, the proportion in military stores per man in England was £7 10s. 3d. ; the proportion per man in France was 16s. 2d.. (Hear, hear.) If they managed the stores in this country with the name degree of economy as in France, they might effect a saving in this vote alone of £994,000. Of course, they could not expect the right hon. gentleman, against whom he made no charge whatever, to take the initiative in military reform. The blame did not rest with the right hon. gentleman, but with the system. They could not expect to cure the evil by parings here and there, but by recasting a vicious orga nisation. While prosperity lasted, there might be some plea set up for allowing the clerks to enjoy their places; but bad times were coming upon the country ; their prin cipal inaustry had suffered a blow from which it had not recovered, and he apprehended they would feel still more hereafter the effects of what was taking place on the American continent. (Hear, hear.) He was entirely un favourable to any reduction of the army, but if they could relieve the tax-payer by reducing the cost of the army, while they maintained its efficiency, they would direct the national call for economy which was getting up into a useful channel, and alleviate private distress without per manent injury to the interests of the country. (Cheers.) Sir H. VERNEY said the conclusion to which the noble lord's remarks pointed was the amalgamation of the War office and the Horse-guards; but while he said this he did not mean to deny there were many points touched upon by the noble lord to which the Government might profitably direct their attention. Sir G. C. LEWIS said, some years ago he had been in duced to make a comparison somewhat like that with which the noble lord had favoured them; but, however interesting the comparison might prove as a matter of statistical study, he found it was barren of any prac tical results. The circumstances of the two countries were so different; the French army was ferreed by con scription, the English army by voluntary recruiting. Tue rates of wages were diff, rent in the two countries—the sys tems of finance were different. The French budget was made two or three years in advance, and was prepared on a system of allowing only ordinary expenditure, but there were extraordinary credits which did not appear in the re gular returns of expenditure. The noble lord did not want to reduce the army, nor the pay of the army—so far they ware agreed. What, he wished to see done was to have the wages of the artificers and the pay of the clerks reduced. (Hear) But the Government could not, reduce the pay of the artificers at Woolwich, as the rates were rege lewd by the state of the market ; and if the noble lord advocated the reduction of the wages of the clerks in the War-office, he should be prepared to apply the same rule to the clerks in the Home• office, the Treasury, and the whole of the civil service departments. The Government had reduced the army within as narrow limits as were consistent with the exigencies of the public service ; and as it was with the pay of the army they were dealing, he trusted the committee would agree to the amount without going into matters irre levant to the vote. Col. DICKSON said the noble lord particularly guarded himself against any diminution in the pay of the soldiers, and attributed the excesses in the estimates to mismanage•• meat of the expense of the non-combatant partof our army. In that he cordially concurred, and he should at the proper time show that there were in the estimates an enormous expenditure beyond what was required. He believed a great portion of the money was wasted in the War-office. Military men did more in the working of the army depart ment in France than in England, and he instanced the saving thereby effected in the clothing department of the French army. Major O'REILLY said it was no unusual circumstance for extra budgets to be presented in this country, as was done in France. The less expense of the French army had been attributed to the conscription, but on examination he was surprised to find there was so little difference in the cost of the English and French armies. The pay and food of an English infantry soldier was 13d. a day, that of a French in fantry soldier 10d. and in some instances 11d. The food and pay of an English cavalry soldier was 16d. a day, and that of a French cavalry soldier 13}d; but he did not attribute the whole of that difference to the system of conscription. The cost of wages to artificers were much lower in England than in France. Mr. P. URQUHART concurred in the remarks of the noble lord the member for Stamford. Mr. FORSTER considered the Secretary of State for War had not answered the statements made by the noble lord. He wished for further inquiry on the subject. Sir G. C. LEWIS asked the noble lord to more clearly explain what he meant by the nen-combatant part of the army. _ _ Lord R. CECIL said all except the pay and pensions He wished to prove that to economise the army estimates ii was not necessary to reduce the number and pay of the army. but the other expenses attending them. (Hear.) The vote, however, was ultimately agreed to. On the vote of £1,223,936 for commissariat establish ments, movement of troops, &c., Mr. MILLS moved its reduction by £80,424 for the com missariat and transport of troops in the colonies. He con sidered that the colonies could bear a larger proportion of the expenses of their defence than they now did. (Hear, hear.) He disclaimed any desire to dismember our colo nies ; but he considered that, as this country was suffer ing from a special pressure, it was desirable to test whether the house was prepared to give due notice to the colonies that they must be called upon to bear their proper proportion towards the expenditure for their de fence. (Hear, hear.) Sir G. C. LEWIS said it was impossible to agree to the amendment. Such an amendment, it carried, would not be binding on the colonies. It must be done by Act of Par liament; and then came the question how far that house could tax the colonies. If the colonies were to contribute the amount objected to, it must be the first voted by the house, and any sum raised by colonies towards it must be set off against it. To strike out this amount, without a previous understanding with the colonies, would be perilous to the public service; and, so far as the troops in the colo nies were concerned, the greatest inconvenience would ensue therefrom. Mr. CHILDERS said that the commissariat expenditure upon the colonies proper was £300,000, and it certainly was no very extravagant proposal to make the colonists them selves contribute one-fourth of that amount. The cost of the tro )ps at the Mauritius was £151.000, and of that sum only £IO,OOO was paid by the colonists. Now, the finances of the island were in a most flourishing condition, and therefore the Government might very well exact a much larger contribution towards the maintenance of the garri son. In the same way Ceylon cost them 150,000 a year ; and, as Ceylon was rich, she ought to contribute more than she did for the maintenance of the troops. The Cape was not perhaps so well able as the two colonies he had just mentioned to make a large contribution; still, as her finances were being retrieved, she might very well pay more than £ 10,000 out of the £40,000 which was the total cost of the troops stationed at the Cape. Mr. C. FORTESCUE reminded the committee that the rule invariably acted upon was, that when troops were moved about in a colony for merely police purposes, the expense of their transport must be borne by the colonial revenue. But the vote against which the amendment was directed was for the purpose of supplying the troops with their daily food and forage. With respect to the Mauritius and Ceylon, he could inform the committee that the Colonial Secretary, after a most searching inquiry into the subject, had determined to prepare the governors of those colonies to receive requhiticns for a considerably increased contri bution towards the maintenance of the troops quartered there. With respect, however, to the Cape, the case was not quite so easy, on accound of the peculiar danger to which the settlers there were exposed, and which had necessitated, for a long period, the maintenance of so large a force in the colony. At the same time the number of the troops sta tioned at the Cape had been recently greatly reduced ; so much so, that there were now only 4,000 men in the colony, against 8,000 not very long ago. Their objets at the Cape was to encourage the augmentation of the border police—a force much more capable of encountering the wariike tribes than the regular troops were. He was happy to say that force was being gradually increased ; and as the increase went on it would be possible still further to diminish the number of the troops, and in that way, and in that way alone, to diminish the military expenditure on account of the colony. Mr. ROEBUCK warned the committee that a great prin ciple underlaid the question now before them. It appeared to him to be a portion of the Imperial power of England that the Home Government should have complete control over the movements of the army. Well, if the expense of maintaining the troops in the colonies was thrown upon the colonies, was not England yielding up a portion of her Imperial power? e was not at all u nprepared to call upon the colonies to defend themselves; but then he would do so directly, not indirectly— merely by a vote in committee of supply when the question was raised how the expense of moving the troops in the co lonies was to be met. Lord STANLEY thought the committee had got into a difficulty. No doubt the object of the majority of the com mittee was to effect a reduction in the amount of the colu nial expenditure; but if that reduction was to be made, it was quite olear it ought to be made upon the annual expen diture upon the whole, and not merely on one branch of the military service. He did not think any general rule could be laid down on the subject. But the course which was most generally applicable would be for the Imperial Government to send the amount of force:that they thought was fair to each of the colonies, and leave them to supply what was wanted by a local militia. Mr. BUXTON suggested to the hon. member for Taun• would have been greater loss of life, which hsr, is> common with all the citizens, greatly deplored, (Hear.) Lord A. PAGET—As my hon. friend has alluded to me, and as I had the honour of taking part in the hoyal procession, and of preceding OP carriage of the Princess and Prince through the City, perhaps I may be allowed to say a few Words. And, first of all, I should like to bear witheas to the - perfeet behaviour and good humour• on the part of the 'people on that day. (Cheers.) I cannot conceive a mor e trying circumstance than being in a vast crowd, with the pressure of the people be hind, and seeing in advance outriders, horses, equerries,and cavalry come crushing on one's toes ; and I can safely say that I never heard one angry word expressed. Of course on such an occasion it was no use being ill-tempered. On the contrary, when one saw fr.ra London-bridge a mass of people in front, your plan was to get them to make way as well as they could, as we were bound in fact for Windsor. (Laughter.) lam bound to say that the people—l will not call them a mob, for they were not a mob—the people ren dered every assistance, and cheered on all sides, and in fact made way for us. With regard to the police, lam bound to say that I think they were so few in number that they were completely outnumbered, and that they in fact gave it up as a bad job. (Laughter.) Moreover, from what I could see of them, the great majority of them were anxious to see our beautiful Princess. As to the scene at the Man sion•'house, there are enough witnesses to testify to it. There is no doubt it was a very tremendous squash. (Laughter.) I saw people actually get on the top of the carriage, and I saw a great many running, not only under the carriage, but between the leaders and the wheelers. I certainly did appeal to several policemen,who were standing, a row of them, around the Mansion-house. I said to them " For God's sake Igo to the carriage, or we shall have them upset." I took one fellow's number—(laughter)—No. 68, because he refused to move. He said—" No, he would not move," and I reported this circumstance to the head of the police, and of course he was excessively annoyed at the cir cumstance. When we got through the city I can only de scribe it as something like what must happen to naviga tors who go into the Arctic regions, and after having been for some time locked up in the icebergs see in the distance clear water. That was the sensation I felt when we got through Temple-bar. I certainly did say, " Thank God, we have got through the worst of it." (Laughter.) My hon, friend (the Lord Mayor), whom I know very well, will bear me out when I say, that when I ascertained that I was to have the honour of going with the procession, I went to him—having had experience of seme quarter of a century in processions—l went to my hon. friend, and first of all he gave me a most excellent lun cheon. I then said, " Are you quite sure you have force enough to keep this line, for I know that there will be an immense concourse of people ?" He said he thought there was sufficient force, but he would send to the head of the police. I said, " Bear in mind I do not come to you as her Majesty's Chief Equerry to the Lord Mayor of London, because that is not within my province. I have nothing to do with ordering anything. I have but to attend upon the Prince of Wales and the Princess Alexandra. I, therefore, Lord Alfred Paget, come to you. Mr. Rose, and I have every reason to believe and know that if you want any as sistance you will get it ;" and I may have said " Not only from the Horse Guards but from the metropolitan force." Of course it was not my province to step out of my duty to interfere in what did not concern me. I have the charge of keeping the streets clear—it was merely a suggestion. Of course I left it to my hon. friend to communicate whatever he wished to the Horse Guards and the metropolitan police force. I should have been very happy if he had authorised me to carry any message to Sir Richard Mayne, but I guarded myself particularly by saying that I came to him as an old friend, and not as being authorised. (Laughter,) Col. FRENCH protested against the censure cast upon the Horse Artillery by the Lord Mayor. The LORD MAYOR explained that his observations were not against the conduct of the men, They did all they do, but the trappings of the horses were not adapted to the duty that body had to do. Mr. AY RTON said that the amalgamation of the City with the metropolitan police force was a very old question. So long ago as 1854 a commission was appointed to inquire into the subject, and that commission in their report re commended an amalgamation of the two forces. This ques tion involved various considerations, and ought to engage the attention of the Government, because it was a most ex traordinary thing that in the heart of the metropolis there should be a separate jurisdiction which had a right to co operate or not with the police of other parts of the metro polis. ton to withdraw his motion, as it was of dimensions far too great to be debated in committee. If the subject were brought for discussion again before the house, they might succeed in inducing the Government to go forward in re ducing colonial military expenditure. Colonel DICKSON wished to know how it was that in the present estimates the cost of commissariat establish ments was largely increased, although the provisions sup plied by them were diminished in amount: Mr. ADDERLEY could not make out how transport ser vice in the colonies could be fot Imperial purposes. M . A. MILLS leclined to withdraw his motion. Sir E. COLEBROOKE wasof opinion that carrying the amendment would have the effect of strengthening the hands of the Government in dealing with the colonies in regard to colonial military expenditure. Mr. CAVE, while favourable to cutting down colonial military expenditure, was of opinion that the house and country would never agree to colonies where savage natives existed, like the Cape and New Zealand, defending them selves in their own way. Mr. CARZ-I E •IE said that if the motion were for the general reduction of the vote by £BO,OOO, he would vote for the bon. gentleman opposite. Mr. A. MILLS altered the form of his motion to that of a motion for a general redaction of the vote by the sum of £BO,OOO. Sir G. C. LEWIS said that this house was bound not to tax the colonies. (Hear, hear.) But if they were to pass a vote the effect of which would be to compel a colony to pay into the exchequer a sum of £20,000, would not that be taxing the colony ? (Hear, hear.) No doubt the Govern ment could recall its troops from any colony in which the house thought the numbers were too large, and that would be the proper course to be pursued. But to attempt to di• minish the expenses of the commissariat department of the whole army in order to lower colonial expenditure was cer tainly not the proper mode to adopt. Mr. A. MILLS explained. Mr. MONSELL could not understand how his right hon. friend, who had promised last year, with the other members of the Government, to taka vigorous measures to reduce the expenses of the colonies, could make such a speech as that which they hid just heard from him in defence of expenditure for the colonies. (Hear, hear.) Was it just that this country should pay for the military de once of colonies which were so prosperous that they had a large surplus of income over expenditure? His hon. friend the member for Taunton had taken a practical course, and it was not right to meet him with assertions that he should have proceeded in some other form. He should support the motion for the reduction. Major GAVIN hoped that the house would not sanction a reduction in the allowance , for the comfort and susten ance of the soldier who w-.s doing his duty, in the colonies, to elsewhere. The committee then divided. The numbers were— For the reduction of the vote.... For the original sum Majority agAinst the reduction —7 The next vote was for £630,385 for clothing and neces eerie% Colonel DICKSON asked the Government to postpone the further consideration of the estimates. Sir G. C. LEWIS did not think eleven o'clock by any means a sufficiently late hour to justify stopping on a sup ply night, Mr. WILLIAMS wished to be informed what was the meaning of an item .4 £25,000 for machinery in a vote for clothing and necess•tries. Colonel DICKSON said that he should move the reduc• tion of the vote by £25,000. This was one of those items for the non-combatant portion of the army which were always increasing. Sir (1. BO WYEC 3ondemned the system of maintaining a number of establishments of a similar character, scattered about in various places, so that Government might almost be said to be constantly living in lodgings. The plan was not only very inconvenient, but extremely expensive. Mr. PAGET complained of the present system of mak ing clothing contracts, by reason of which the Government always got badly and dearly served. He hoped that would soon be altered. Sir G. C. LEWIS defended the vote, which, he said, was less by £36,000 than the vote of last year, and £20,000 of it was for new buildings. The great portion of the work was done at Pimlico, but the work was given out to men and women, and was carefully inspected when made up. Colonel KNOX said the establishment at Pimlico had proved very satisfactory to the Government and the army, and he hoped it would enable them to get rid of the double system of contractors and a Government establishment. Lord LOVAINE also bore testimony to the excellency of the clothing supplied by the establishment at Pimlico. Mr. MONSELL would give up the whole question if it could not be shown that the clothing supplied by the con tractors was far i•uperior to that made at the establishment at Pimlico. Mr. M'EVOY said it appeared to him that the Govern ment in making the large workshops at Pimlico cont, plated becoming their own manufacturers; and if so, it would be better that, it should appear in the vote. Mr. CARNEGIE pointed out several items of increase in the vote. After some further discussion, The amendment was negatived without a divisicn, and the vote was agreed to. The Chairman was then ordered to report progress, and the house resumed. POST OFFICE SAVINGS BANK BILL. This bill was re-committed for the insertion of amend ments in the first clause. BLEACHING AND DYEING WORKS ACT AMENDMENT BILL. This bill was read a third time and passed. The house then adjourned, at 10 minutes after 12. MIDDLESEX SESSIONS, March 13. (Before the Assistant. Judge.) John James Davey and Sarah Davey were in dieted for keeping a disorderly house, in Queen street, Golden-square. Mr. Metcalfe, instructed by the parochial autho rities, prosecuted ; Mr. Palmer appeared for the defendants. Several witnesses, and amongst them the inhabi tants of the neighbourhood, were called, and they said that the house kept by the defendants was a complete nuisance to the street, so much so that per sons in the neighbourhood were unable to let their Lodgings, and no respectable person would come into them. _ _ _ After a long investigation, the jury found a verdict of Guilty against both defendants. The Assistant-Judge ordered them to come up for judgment next session. (Before Mr. rayne.) Thomas Shillingford Shaw, 45, was indic - ed for fraudulently obtaining by false pretences the sum of £lO, the moneys of the trustees of the Lisson grove Loan Society, with intent to defraud. Mr. Brandt prosecuted ; Mr. Holdsworth de fended the prisoner. In this case the very lengthy evidence disclosed the fact that the prisoner had been in the habit of going to different loan offices throughout the metro polis, and, evidently in conjunction with other parties, had carried on fraud upon loan officers to a considerable extent. One of these cases may be taken as a fair example of the whole. James Kelly, of No. 3, Omega-terrace, Alpha road, Paddington, said he was the director of the Lisson grove Loan Society, and it was the practice of the society for those persons who intended to become borrowers to fill up a printed form, stating the nature of the loan required, his own name and address, and the names and addresses of the per sons offered as sureties for the loan. Oa the 28th of October, 1862, he presented a paper, properly filled up, and he signed his name "Thos. Shaw, 42, Grove road, plumber and house painter." He mentioned the name of "Charles Anslow, of No. 11, Westborne Perk-terrace, Har row-road, designer," and " Charles Ashman, of No. 4, Brecknock-terrace, Camden-road-villas, en graver," as his sureties. He borrowed £lO, and witness was present when the amount was paid to him. He made inquiries respecting the sureties. Mr. Ashman showed him receipts for rent and taxes for four years; and he also applied to Mr. Anslow, both statements being considered satisf,,ctorv. The prisoner only paid two instalments and from further inquiries he found he was deceived respecting the , ureties. When the third instalment became due the prisoner and his sureties were written to, but tn. y were not to be found, and all the letters were returned. The prisoner went in a similar manner to the fol lowing other loan offices, and obtained various amounts, but occasionally varying the names of the persons whom be offered as sureties :—lhe Friendly Deposit and Loan Society, held at the Carpeuter;' Adam-street West ; from this society he ob tained £l5. The Nurth Marylebone Friends of Labour Loan Society were appeaied to; but from information obtained the required loan was refused. The Royal Loan Society, Cumberland-market; from this society he obtained £l2. The Friends of La boar Loan Society, Old Church-street, Edgware road; from this society he obtained £4. The Lon don anu Westminster Industrial Loan Association, Bow -street, Long acre ; from this society he obtained £l6. The Regent Investment Company, Regent street, Westminster, were also applied to, but in this instance the loen was refused. The Victoria Mutual Aid Loan Society ; from this society he obtained £l5 under the name of Thomas Seeger. The Indepen dent Friends of Labour Loan Society, West Bromp ton ; from this society he obtained £lO in the name of Thomas Shellingford. The Tradesmen'sDisc ou , nt Society, held at No. 36, New-street, St. John in s wood ; from this society he obtained £ll the name of Humby. The Model investment and Advance Company, St. John's-woo d ; trona this society he obtained £2O in the name of Thomas Humby, but there was a difference in this case, as the prisoner had form erl y obtained from the society a loan of £lO, which he paid, and on the strength of the former tra,Asac tion he ob tained a loan of £ 2O . The Rising Suo Loa , n . Society, Kendall's-mews, Kentish - toefn ; fro m 80C1 , ty tie obtained a loan of £B. Same of these 1 "les. were obtained as far back as 1861, but roan of were were of a recent date , and had been obtain a a few days of each other. The jury found the prisoner guilty. Lockyer, the prison officer, said this m , In was known to the authorities of Coldbath.fields p rison. Mr. Payne, commenting upon the long eat 'ear of fr sod persued by the prisoner, sentenced him to be kelt in penal servitude for three years. K .ziah York, 48, was placed at the bar, charged wi h having unlawfully and maliciously committed damage to a pane of glass, to the amount of £lO the property of usury H incock. H-tnry Hancock said—l am the landlord of the. Green Man public-house, Edgeware-road. I recola lect the night of the 24th of February last. At about nine o'clock that night the prisoner came into the house and stood there about 20 minutes, when I asked her to walk out, and she did so. Soon after I heard a smash, and went out side and saw a large pane of glass in the window broken, and I saw the prisoner with a stone in her hand. She said, " I will break the whole lot of windows," I seized hold of her and held her till a police constable came, when I gave her into custody. The damage done is about £lO. It was about 25 minutes past nine o'clock when the window was broken. Georg. Lloyd, police-constable 222 D, said—l took the prisoner into custody at half-past nine o'clock on the night of the 2lth February last. She said, "I broke the window, and I'll. break the lot; the house ought to be mine." Trio jury found toe prisoner guilty, time M. Payne sentenced her to be imprisoned and kept to hard labour for nine calendar mon • Samuel Taylor, cabinetmaker, was Indicted for stealing 10 cigars and the sum of Is., he pt operty and moneys of Chas. Clarke. Tht• prisoner pleaded not guilty. Mr. T. H. L-wis prosecuted, and Mr. Montague Williams defended the prisoner. The prosecutor, it ap t ears, is a publican residing: in Church-s , rec, Gosweh-road, nnd on the after none of March 3 the prisnner and another man of the name of Certer were in the bar parlour of the publichense and saw the wife of the prosecutor place some looney in the till. Shortly after the prose cutor's wife went upstairs, and the prisoner Taylor seer the man Carter for some sausage t. On the pro secutor's witty coming dewnstairs she discovered the till had been emptied, and ihe cigar box cleared. The prisoner was in the bar, and h piece of the cigar hoy, was found underneath his chair. Mts. Ciark.e. infertned her husband of her lees in the prisoner's presence, and the prisoner at once left the room and went into the back yard. Shortly afterwards sew n cigars and a half were found in the water closet in the yard, and a piece of cigar was discovered in the prisoner's pocket. Much amusement was caused in court by the learned counsel for the defy nee insist ing that the pieces of cigar did not fit, which was certainly the case. The Deputy-Assistant Judge carefuly summed up the evidence-, and The jury, after considerable deliberation, found prisoner guilty, but recommended him to mercy on account of his previous good character. The Deputy-Assistant Judge sentenced the pri soner to be imprisoned and kept to hard labour for oar calendar months. COUNTRY MARKETS. ....,. b... LIV RPOOL—MARCH 6. At this day's market there was a tair attendance of both the town and country trade, and good red wheat met a ready sale at 2d per cental advance on the low rates of last Friday. Flour was firmer, but not improved in demand or value. Indian corn had a good inquiry, and at 6d per qr. dearer, Oats and oatmeal steady. Beans at 6d per qr over the full prices of last week. Barley and peas were unaltered. WAKEFIELD—MARCH 13. The wheat trade ruled firmer to-day, and prices were rather higher. Barley quiet. In other articles there was no material alteration in price. Averages for the week : Wheat 1,487 qrs., at 4ss 3d 8ar1ey......... 109 Rye — Beans 7O Peas Oats lO —s Oa 34s 9id —s Od 25s 3d EXETER—'MARCH 13. Wheat, white 6s 3d to 6s 4d Barley. ..4s 3d to 4s 6 d I Ditto red .6s Od to 6s 3d Oats .. Flour, fine, 36s to 37s ; seconds, 34s to 35s per sack. CATTLE. Fat beef, p sc., 10s0d to 10s9d Ewes, per Ilz .... 51d to 60 Pork carcases, 7s 6d to 8s 6d Wethers, d 0...., bid to 7d Lamb, p 1b.......—d to d Fat calves, d0...61d tu7 Rough fat, 3',d per lb. STAMFORD-MARCH 13. New wheat, 50s to 5 !s—red, 44e to 48s per 36 stone• Barley. malting, 39s to 4 . 28; grinding, 32s to 34a per qr. Oats. 22s ii, 25, per 24 stone. Beane, uld, 42s to —8 per qr. ; new, 35s to 38s. BRISTOL SUG .R-I‘lAucn 13. Our riw niarilet for sugar l on accoua of the emtent to wh absorbed by the great national a dull sale. [at.; been wry quiet, no doubt nal the public wind has ueeti 1 event just celebrated Ruin DUAL rTIMP, 0' Cual per Toll at H. d. AldiET thc of the Loarke Byass's Bel side West. Hartley l5 0 Davison's West Hart ley \ • atker Primrose 11 :3 Carway and Duffryn Anthracite Carway and Duffryn Malting .. ... 22 0 inttrki Walls End Hetton ~ :77.0.0.th Hetton 17 u •;vagb ii,il ,iouth Hartlepool 15 6 Russel's Hetton 15 6 i.eiloe . . .... .16 0 li arelepool l6 9 ‘.(lou Aidin....,. l4 9 ,t. 26. .ovi 22. Foreign Mail Packet List. MAILS DI, E. A tiy.ralia and Mauritius, via Southampton. Mar. 21. via Marseilles Mar 15. ,Srazil and Cape Verds, by British packet. Apr. 6 Cape of Good Hope, Ascension, and Si. Helena. Apr. 1. China, Penang, and Singapore, via Soutnanipton.Mar. 21. via Marseilles Mar. 15. Falkland Islands Gibraltar, via Southampton .. Mar. 13. India (Calcutta), and Ceylon, via Southampton Mar. 2 1 via Marseilles M ar, 15. India (Bombay), via Southampton .Mar. 13 via Marseilles Mar. 22. Portugal.... Apr. 6 maim, Egypt, and Aden, via Southaniptw. Mar. 13. via Marseilles Mar. 15. Newfoundland .. Mar. 18. Oporto and Vigo U. S. and British N. 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