The Sun. — London, England, 1854-06-30 00:00:00

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EXCHANGE OF TILE P#ISONERS OF ODESSA The following extract of a report of the Austrian Consul-General at Odessa, dated Bth tl6) June, 1854, has been received at the Admiralty yesterday : " A few days ago, the English steamer Vesuvius ran into these roads, and brought the wife of Captain Gif fard, to whom General Osten-Sacken gave the permis sion, with a quarantine guardian, to visit the grave of her husband, who commanded the ill-fated steamer Tiger. • • _ . _ H.M. the Emperor of Russia, not being aware of the death of that officer, had meantime ordered his sword to be restored, that he should be set free, and, with reference to the share he had taken in the battle of Navarino, to express his Majesty's regret at his being so severely wounded. At the same time his Majesty granted the exchange of eight English officers and 154 sailors for Russian prisoners of war, who had been taken by the united fleets on the Circassian coasts. "As the officers of the stranded steamer Tiger con sisted of 25 individuals, the selection of those who are to be set free will be made by lot. _ _ " The midshiptnen were all carried some days ago into the intetior." MARKET NEWS-(THIS DAY.) CORN EXCHANGE. Notwithstanding that the supply of English wheat in to-day's market was very limited, we have again to report a dull inquiry for all kinds at Monday's decline in the quotations. a The imports of foreign wheat continue good—nearly 1 8 .000 quarters having come to hand this week. For most descriptions the inquiry was in a sluggish state, and low qualities were easier to purchase. ' For floating cargoes there was scarcely any demand. We had a moderate sale for barley, at last week's prices. \fait was in full average supply, and moderate request, on 'ormer terms. • Geed heavy oats were held at full prices; but damp parole were rather cheaper. Bois, peas, and flour were rather dull. The top price of En:lish was 68s per 2801 be. English.. Irish Foreign Wheat. 1,430 ARRIVALS THIS WEEK. 1 Barley. I ➢falt. 60 1 3,730 15,750 I 760 Oats. I Flour. 510 j 710 6,310 22,570 27flaks 3,'70brl GWERAL AVERAGE PRICES OF BRITISH CORN For the reek ended June 9, 1854, made up from the Returns of the Inspectors in the different Cities and Towna in England and Wale , per ttnorial Quarter. WHEAT. (BAELET. I OATS. J Rye. I mum I PEAS. 77s lid 37s Id 33s 61 528 2d 30s 311 48s 10d _ TRE SIX WEEKS' AVERAGE. WHEAT. i PARLEY. OATS. I RYE. I BEANS. PERS. 78s 8d I 37s Id 29s lid Ns 3d 49s 64 46s Ild DUTIES ON FOREIGN CORN. WHEAT. tAELET. OATS. I EYE. I SEAM. I PEAS. Is Od Is 04 is Od is Od is Od Is Od QU\STITIES OF GRAIN SOLD LAST WEEK. Wheai, 5130; RarTey, 3,645; Oats, 10,383 ;143e, - 51; Beane, 2,675; Peas. 188 quarters. SMITHFIELD. There wereaaout 300 Spanish beasts on sale to-day ; but the arrivals frm other quarters were very moderate, and in middling coalition. For most breeds we had a fair de mand, at Moday's prices. There was a considerable increase in thesupply of sheep. On the whole, the mutton trade as dull, but we have no change to notice in the qutations. Lambs were in full average supply and sluggi4 request, on former terms. Calves, the number of which As large, were dull, at barely last week's decline. Pigs ruletheavy, at late rates. Milch cows weretolerably firm, at from 14/. to 201. each, including theitsmall calf. Per R)s to sink the offal; a. d s. d. Inferior Beasts.... 3 4o 3 6, Second quality.... 3 8 4 0 Prime large oxen 4 2 4 6 Prime Scot; &c. 4 8 5 0 Inferior Sheep ...3 4 3 6 Second quality ...3 8 0 Prime crse.-wlled. 4 2 t 6; Lambs.... TOTAL SUPPLY. s. d. s. d. Prime Southdown 4 8 410 Large crse. calves 3 8 4 4 Prime small d 0... 4 6 4la Large hogs 3 0 4 2 / Small porkers 4 4 4 8 8 - acklingealves ..22 0 29 0 t Quarter old pigs 21 0 27 0 4s 8d to 5s 10d. Beasts . ..... ....... 1.(76 Sheep .•• •• Calves . ..... • • • • 4B .. • • .... •• ••••• • •• •• 409 FOREIGN SUPPLY. Beasts .• ....•• . ..•• •••• • 450 Sheep .... •• •• •• ...... .490 Calves..•• •. •• ..•.......•• 400 NEWGATE IND LEA.DENHALL. The supplies were limitel, aad only a moderate business was doing, as follows : Per Blhs by the carcase. s. d. s. d. s. d. s. d. Beef, inferior 3 2 3 4 1 1 Sittton, Inferior 3 4 3 6 Do., middling 3 6 3 8 Do., al 8 4 g Do., prime large 3 10 4 0 Do, prime 4 4 4 8 Do., do. small ....4 2 4 4 Vel 3 6 4 8 Pork, large 3 4 4 0, Pck, small 4 2 4 8 Lamb 4 6d to 5s Bd. BORO tIGI HOP. Our market is firm, and pees have an upward ten dency. The unfavourable acounts from the plantations have lowered the duty to 9(000/. The week's imports are 105 bales from Hamburg), 19 ditto from Rotterdam, and 100 ditto from Osten. The quotations are as follows : Mid and East Kent pockets, 71. 153 to 101. 5s ; Weald of Kent dito, 71. 15s to 9/. 5s ; Sussex ditto, 71. Os to 9/. Os per cw. CODNIAL. SUGAR.—The market fr West India has been heavy, at weaker prices. Barbados has declined Gd p , r cwt, fine yellow sellinc , at 37s 61 b 38s, and low to good at 33s to 375. East India—Mairitins has also gone Gd per cwt lower, good to fine yelow at 34s to 37a 6d, low to mid at 31s 6(1 to 31s, brown tt 27s to 30s Gd, refining at 31s to 35s Gd, grainy yellowat 35s to 40a. and white at 40s 6,1 to 41s 6d. Madras wastaken in at 29s to 30s 6d for brown to low yellow ; Penanb brown at 29,3 to 30s Gd, and yellow and grey at 31s to 3s. Bengal realised 40s to 40s 6d for fine white, Benaresbeing rather cheaper. Foreign—Cuba has been sold at 34' to 31s 6,1 for heavy brown, and 35s to 38s 6d for low to pod yellow. White Flavanna.h in bond was taken in at 253 6..1 to 30s Gd for the sound, but washed went at 24s to 25r 6d per cwt. REFINED.—Bown lumps have remained at 455, and grocery at 45s & to 51s per cwt. COFFEE.—Naive Ceylon has been in demand at 44s to 44s 6(1 for good ord. Plantation has risen, mid to good bold colory selling at 56s to 625, for fine ord to low mid at 52s to 55s 6d, triage at 43s to 52s 6(1, and peaberry at 61s per cwt. Batavi:, Java brought 52s 6(1 to 53s 6d for fine ord,. Jamaica 54i 6,1 for mid and mid colory, 49s 6d to 53s 6d for fine and fine ord mixed, 40s to 47s 6(1 for ord to good ord, 40s to tO3 for triage, and 29s per cwt for black. RlCE.—Madras is 3d lower, mid dusty to good pale pinky selling at 11.0. Bengal has declined, mid broken to good bold white being taken at 12s 6d to 13s Gd, and a few lots selling A 12s 9,1. SPlCES.—`trite pepper has receded id to 1(1 per lb, mid Batavia to 74d and 7i:d, good bold Penang to Bid and 86(1, and mid to Gd and 70. African pod sold at 28s for mid bright, and at 338 to 333 6,1 for good. Mace has been. steady. Ginger at full rates, and Casio, Vera dull. Nut megs have declined, mouldy Singapore fine bold brown at 3s 9d, and good 33 4d to 3s 6d per lb. Cloves have been lower, Penang ?,d cheaper, good dark to fine bold selling at lld to is ld. _ _ . Coccu.—This article has realised stiffer prices. SALTPETBE.—The market is dull. Bengal was taken in at 37s for mid grey, 64 per cent. refraction. TEA.—The market is steady. COTTON.—This article is at previous rates. Bengal at auction has realised 23d to 2'd per lb. TALLOW.—Very little is doing. P.Y.C. is firm, how ever, at 61s per cwt on the spot. GREEN FRUIT.—Stock of all kinds reduced. Lemons advanced 3s to 4s per package ; some paroels oranges per steamer at Lisbon, sold by Keeling and Hurst at public sale, fully sustained the prices obtained last week. Nuts of all kinds in demand. LLOYD'S SHIPPING-(THIS DAY.) LONDON, June 10.—Wind this day at Noon, N.W. ; light pleasant breeze, and fine, but cloudy at times. COWES, June 29.—Wind, W.S.W. Arrived—Adelaide, from Akyab; George, La Gnayra, and sailed for Ham burgh. PLYMOUTH, June 29.—Wind, N.W. Arrived—Har monie, from Memel. Sailed—Champion, for Australia ; Zeehond (Dutch brig-of-war), on a cruise. Off Port— Sarah Ann, from Launceston, V.D.L. ; Sir G. Anderson, from Calcutta. FALMOUTH, June 29.—Wind, N.W. Arrived—Amor, from Veneros ; Julia, Sourabaya ; Stockholm, Sam arang , ' for Norkiobing, master sick ; Heinrich, Rio Grande ; Id a , do., for Gothenburgh ; Agamemnon, Porto Rico ; Indefa tigable, Venice ; Challenger, Palermo. Sailed—Marchio ness of Douglas, for Quebec; San Jose, Barcelona. Off Port—Rosario, from Bilboa, for Liverpool ; Preciosa, Santos, for Hamburgh. GLOUCESTER June 29.—Arrived—Vulture, Quebec. LowEaroFT,June 29.—Wind, S.S.W. Arrived—Jyl land (s s), from Nykiobin. HAnwicif. June 29,—Wind, S.S.W. Arrived—Nep tune, from Ostend. BRISTOL, June 21—Wind, W. Arrived—Bunyn stuck, from Havannah ; Benbena, Smyrna. Sailed—. Tommy, for Demerara ; L yra, J ama ica. SWANSEA, June 29.—Wind, N. Arrived —Pascoe Greenwell, from Cuba. Bailed—Jane Irene, Barcelona. HULL, June 29.—Wind, N.W. Sailed — Revel , for Memel. SHIELDS, Juno P.—Wind, Arrived—lsland - Queen , Alicata ; Plof, Krageroe. QUEENSTOWN, June 28.—Wind, E. Arrived—Emulous, from Earbadoes ; Kathleen, St. Androw , s. Sailed—Char lotte, for Calcutta. BONCHURCH (Islo of Wight), Juno head-board, with the name " Ocean" upon it, has been picked up here. The Emma sailed from Shields, April 2 3. for Dart mouth and Constantinople, and has not since men hoard of ; but her boats, galley, and top of skylights, &c., were Massed, April 27, the Knock Light distant 8 miles, y the Forgat-me.Not (smack), of Dover. INDIA, CHINA, AND AUSTRALIAN MAILS.—The G. vernment have postponed the departure of the Candi k from Southampton with the India, Chins, and Australian mails, from the 4th to the 6th of July. The Marseilles portion of the mails will accordingly be made up in Lon don on the 10th, Waved of the Bth proximo. IMPERIAL PAHL lAM ENT. HOUSE OF LORDS—(YESTERDAY.) LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL (CANADA) BILL, On the motion for going into committee on this bill, The Earl of DERBY said it now became his duty to state the grounds upon which he ventured to urge the suspension of this measure, at least for the present ses sion, the importance of which, not only to this particular colony, and the North American colonies generally, but to the colonial interests of this great country, could hardly be exaggerated. He had to apologise, in the first place, for taking the somewhat unusual 'course of taking this step on the present stage of the bill, and not on the second reading. His apology was that the bill had been read a second time on a day when it was not customary to introduce a bill of any very great importance, and had therefore omitted to look into the votes. He thought it would have been more convenient and usual if, when a bill was important, the noble lord who had charge of it stated the intentions of the Government with regard to it, and explained its principal provisions to the house. In the present instance, however, the noble duke (New castle) confined himself to simply moving the first read ing of the bill, and even on the second reading he be lieved he had not called the attention of the house to its objects and provisions. That was certainly not in ac cordance with the usual practice, and though this might not be of importance in ordinary cases, yet, when they came to a question which fundamentally destroyed the constitution of one of their most important colo nies—which would do away with one of the most im portant safeguards of the monarchical element in that constitution—which had been established in 1791, and confirmed after the solemn and deliberate con sideration of Parliament in 1840 when her Ma jesty's Government dame to the determination of pro posing a measure which would destroy one of the most important portions of that constitution, he thought it would have been more becoming if upon moving the first reading of the bill, the noble duke stated the views of the Government, and called the attention of the house to the subject. But that was not all. A noble friend behind him had, on the second reading of the bill, called the attention of the noble duke to the fact that there were some despatches from the governor of the colony, and from the colony itself bearing directly on the ques tion about to be discussed. * Now these papers the noble duke had never laid on the table, although they were most material to the discussion of the question, and even after that notice of their absence had been given, the noble duke persisted in taking the second reading. These were the reasons which justified him in objecting at this stage to the further progress of the bill. He had now before him the papers which had been produced. The first was a short despatch from Lord Elgin, dated July 1, 1853, written on forwarding an address from the Legislative Council, remonstrating against the proposed change in the constitution. Another was a despatch, dated the same day, but not received till the 18th of July, being a counter address from the House of Assem bly in favour of the change. There were also the reso lutions in detail of the House of Assembly, with the divi sions which took place on the resolutions on which it was intended that the bill should be founded. They con tained also a letter from Lord Elgin, stating his objec tions to the measure, but at the same time recommend ing that it should be passed. All these despatches were in possession of the Government before the 18th of July, 1853. The noble duke said that these papers were laid before the House of Commons last year. That was strictly true—that was, a portion of them were—the address of the Assembly, and the counter address of the Legislative Council. But the opinion of Lord Elgin and the resolutions of the House, of Assembly were not laid on the table of the House of Commons. If all these papers had been laid before the House of Commons by the authority of the Crown, then indeed it might be said that notice had been given to Parliament. But they were not spontaneously produced by the Government, but on the motion of the hon. member for Manchester— an independent member of the house. Now, could this be taken as an indication of the views of the Govern ment ? But - when were these addresses laid before the House of Commons? On the 20th of August, two days before the prorogation, they were printed and laid on the table of that house, and yet upon this the noble duke was prepared to justify the retaining of these papers from July 11, 1853, to June 16, 1854—(hear, hear) — and then producing them, not of his own accord, after the second reading of the bill. (Hear, hear.) He had a right to complain that the Government had withheld these despatches till the other house of Parliament was overwhelmed with business, and kept their intentions in the dark on a question which had a vital bearing on the legislation of their colonies. (Hear, hear.) He wished to say nothing offensive to the noble duke —they had something of that the other evening - and it would not be his fault if it occurred again. Still he did not ask them entirely to reject the bill ; but he did ask them to postpone it until another session, so that the opinion of both houses of Parliament, of the country, and of the colony itself might be deliberately taken and truly ascertained. He begged to move that the bill be committed on that day three months. The Duke of NEWCASTLE did not complain of the course adopted by the noble earl in opposing the bill now instead of on the second reading ; but, on the other hand, he could not admit that he had himself acted im properly ie laying the bill upon the table sub sitentio, seeing that he had followed the ordinary rule of their lordships' house. He would admit that ho had been in error in not placing the papers sooner before them, but he had been under the impression that they had been presented to both houses, instead of being only pre sented to the House of Commons. The reason he had not laid the draft before their lordships was because his object was only to pass a permissive bill, and not to adopt the draft measure ; and he did not therefore think it necessary or right to produce the proposed measure. The arguments of the noble earl might have been appro priately followed by a motion f)r the total rejection of the measure ; but he did not believe a mere adjourn ment was at all necessary, for the subject had already been carefully considered by the people of Canada. The noble earl had observed that this bill was in the sane direction as 'previous measures ; and he quoted two, namely, the Compensation Bill and the Clergy Reserves Bill. Now, as to the former of these, what ever might be said against its principle, which he did not defend, he defied any one to prove that - it had not been carried out in accordance with the strictest principles of justice; and with a due respect to the law and sovereignty of this country. (Hear, hear.) With respect to the Clergy Reserves Bill, the noble earl had made an extraordinary mis-statement ; for he said that the first step that had been taken since the passing of the bill had been for the secularisation of those reserves. He was enabled, however, after an interview both with Lord Elgin and Mr. Hinckes, to give the strongest de nial to that statement. (Hear, hear.). With respect to t'ee dream of the noble earl, he must also deny that the bill would have the slightest effect in weakening the as sociation of the colonies with this country. (Hear.) After a few words from Lord St. Leonards, the Earl of Harrowby, and the Earl of Derby, Their lordships then divided— For the b►ll Against it Majority The bill then pp sad through committee. The house adjourned at ten minutes after nine o'clock. 63 39 -24 HOUSE OF COMMONS—(YESTERDAY.) The house resumed at six o'clock. • NEWSPAPER STAMP. Mr. LUCAS asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether the Government had arrived at any decision in reference to the newspaper stamp qestion, witE the view of carrying.out the declared opinion of that house? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, as he understood the question put by the hon. gentleman, it was whether the Government at the present time intended to bring in any bill to give effect to the resolution which was come to by that house upon the motion of the right hon. gentleman the member for Manchester (Mr. Milner Gib son). The Government were not prepared to bring in such a bill ; and it would perhaps save the hon. gentleman some trouble if he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) now stated that, when they were prepared to do so, the Government would take care to give notice of their intentions. POSTAGE BETWEEN ENGLAND AND FRANCE. Mr. H. BARING asked the Secretary of the Treasury if he could hold out any expectation of a diminution in the present exorbitant rate of postage charged between this country and France? Mr. WILSON said that communications had taken place between the Post-office authorities of this country and the French Post-office, with the view of securing a considerable reduction in the postal charges, but nothing definitive had been done on the subject. The negotiations had not, how ever, been formally broken off, and the matter might still be said to be in a state of suspense. TREATY BETWEEN AUSTRIA. AND TURKEY. Lord D. STUART wished to ask the noble lord the Pre sident of the Council whether any treaty or convention had been signed between Austria and - the Porte with re gard to the occudation of the principalities of the Danube by Austrian troops ' • whether, in that case, such treaty had been communicated to her Majesty's Government ; and whether the noble lord had any objection to lay it upon the table ? He would also beg to ask whether the intelligence that had been freely circulated in London by organs which were generally well informed, to the effect that Russia had accepted what was called the ultimatum of Austria, had been confirmed, and whether the retire ment of the Russian troops from Silistria and from the Danube was, according to the information received by her Majesty's Government, the consequence of any understand ing that had been come to on the subject ? Lord J. RUSSELL—In answer to the first question of my noble friend, I have to say that her Majesty's Govern ment has received information that a convention has been signed between Austria and the Sublime Porte for the oc cupation of the Danubian principalities by Austrian troops in any case, either whether the Russian troops shall have quitted the principalities, or whether they shall seek to remain there—that is to say, if the Russians have volun tarily left the principalities, the Austrian troops will oc cupy them ; and if the Russians should refuse to quit the principalities, the Austrian troops will enter those princi palities, for the purpose of driving them out. (Loud cr i es of "hear, hear , " and a laugh.) That is the effect of the treaty; but we have not at present an official copy of the convention which has been si g ned, and ther e f ore I canno t promise yet to lay it u p on the table of this house. With regard to my noble friend's second question, which relates to any intelligence that has been received by her Majesty's Government with respect to the Emperor of Russia having consented to the ultimatum of Austria, I have to state that no official information of that nature has been received by the Government. The last time that I saw the Austrian Minister he informed me that no answer had yet been re ceived a t Vienna; and I suppose, unless subsequent infor mation has arrived, that no answer has yet been received. Sir 11. WILLOUGHBY—I wish to ask the noble lord if this country is any party to the convention which he states has been concluded between Austria and the Porte? I;;,iJ:ia:SSELL-It is a convention between iustria luta the korte, and this coutry is not a party to it, THE SUN, LONDON,' FRIDAY EVENING, JUNE 30, 1854. Mr. LAYARD asked if the noble lord would lay on the table of that house a despatch on the subject of the treaty of Adrianople, which had been laid ofl the table of the House of Lords ? Lord J. RUSSELL—If my hon. friend, or any other hon. member, will move for the production of the despatch, there will be no objection to produco it. Mr. LAYARD said, in that case he gave notice that he would move that it be laid on the table. THE NEWSPAPER STAMP. Mr. MILNER GIBSON wished to put a question to the Chancellor of the Exchequer on this subject. The right hon. gentleman had made a reply that evening to the hon. mem ber for Meath (Mr. Lucas) which he (Mr. M. Gibson) did . not understand, and which did not correspond with a former answer he had given on the same subject the other day. The right hon. gentleman now said that the newspa per stamp was not under the consideration of the Govern - went with a view to legislation, and that the Government set at nought the resolution of that house. (No, no.) Well, he understood the Chancellor of the Exchequer to have just said that the Government had no particular intention to deal with the subject, and that when they had such they would give due notice of it—(hear, hoar) —but the other day the right hon. gentleman stated that the subject was not only under th t consideration of the Government (for to that much weight could not be attached),but that it was under their special consideration. (Cries of "order.") He therefore wished to ask the right hon. gentleman whether the house was to understand from his answer that the Go vernment had no intention of legislating on this subject? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—I am quite sure that the right hon. gentleman, as he has himself stated, did not hear or understand the answer that I gave this evening, otherwise he never could by possibility have made a representation so entirely different from its tenour and purport as he has just made. (Hear.) I did not retract or change a syllable that I uttered on a former occasion. What I said when the question was put before was, that the Government had requested the Attorney-General to take into his consideration, with a view to legislation, the state of the law ; and I then said that the matter was still under consideration. I was asked to-day if we had yet come to any decision, and I have already said that we have not, and that when we have I will give full notice of it to the house. resting debate of this evening had convinced him that the But he has relieved me ficim any difficulty upon one head, clause, as it now stood, would perpetuate abuse, and he "vhich indeed would have been a difficulty of a mos t oppres must therefore support the amendment of ilia Chancellor •• FLT er , h e .t, namely, 'if he had impugned the cond uc t o f of the Exchequer. - - Ave C Mr. HENLEY combated some of the arguments of the `the British officers and gallant men who were e m pl oye d on hon. member for Kidderminster (Mr. Lowe), which, he , the service now in question. (Hear, hear.) The right contended, were full of sophistry and erroneous conchs,- hon. gentleman says, and says very truly, that those sions. He complained of the Chancellor of the Exchequer officers and men have executed their duty honourably, for having sneered at the' fellows of Winchester, because and have faithfully obeyed their instructions, and are they came from Berkshire, and were country clergymen. Such a tone was quite unw o rthy the position or ch arac t er ; not open to any censure whatever, so far as the au th o - of the right hon. gentleman, and could only be equalled , rity presiding over naval affairs is concerned, in the by his conduct in altering without nctice the preamble of conduct which they had pursued. Any blame attached to this bill, having reference to the intentions of founders. i them attaches -to the Government and to those who em- He believed himself that good faith demanded that this PY lo ed them,not to the men themselves. (Hear.) and he should certainly vo t e a gainst the amendment. •clause should be ret a i ne d i n it s or igin a l and exi s tin g form, and it is Now, sir, I know not that expedient, as the matte r Sir T. ACLAND was of opinion that the alteration pro. now stands, that I should offer any elaborate defence with posed by his right hon. friend the Chancellor of the Ex- reference to the instructions given for the destruction of chequer would operate very detriinentally to the interests. Russian property. We all know that it is among the other of Tiverton School. (Hear, hear.) objects of war to burn and destroy the property of the Mr. J. GePHILLIMORE complained that the house was taken by surpri se by thi s c l ause ; an d h o t rus t e d that- enemy ,• and although the right hon. gentlem an s a y s th a t the Scotch members would not be induced to vote for it in it is a fiction to call Finland a part of Russia, yet for the consequenceof the exemption of the Snell exhibition (Hear.) ' last 20 years at least that has been a sad reality--(hear, It might show skilful artifice and ingenious device to pro- hear)--and Finland has been treated by Russia the same pose this clause, but however small might bo the minority, he should vo t e aga i nst it . Th e h on. mem b er f or Kidd er - 'as Riga, or any other part of her territories on the opp o . spinster in his flippant speech had altogether thrown over . site shore of the Baltic. And then, with respect to the the conside ra ti on of justice and feeling in this matter. It articles to which the right hon. gentleman referred, viz., was easy to understand persons undertaking a trust desi rous to get rid o f th e o bli ga ti on, b ut not hi ng was gained cordage, timber, tar, and the other articles destroyed on this occasion, the house must be aware that with regard to by disregardin g the principle of j us ti ce; an d th e ti me might arrive when th e precedent w hi c h thi s c l ause se t m i g ht b a • Sweden and Denmark we have treaties of neutrality in dangerous precedent. The hon. member quoted former which certain articles are specified, which even with refe language of the Chancellor of the Exchequer quite opposed ' rence to neutrality are held to be contraband of war ; and to his present views, and in conformity with those of the i the very articles which were in this instance destroyed are hon. and learned member for Plymouth. The right hon. ' so enumerated in these treaties, and in our treaties both gentleman on a f ormer occas i on sa i d that examination was with often a most falla c i ous t es t, an d h e now held opposite lan- ISweden and Denmark. While these countries pre guage. On a former occasion the right hon. gentleman had : servo their neutrality, they are prohibited from conveying said, that "as regarded the eleemosynary foundations there ' to the enemy timber, cordage, pitch, tar, and others, could be no doubt that an individual deliberating within which were the very articles we have destroyed in the ' enemy's ports; and had they been found by British himself wheth er h e s h ou ld di v i de a portion of his sub- crui stance for the furth erance o f e d ucat i on sere proceeding from Denmark or Sweden to any Russian would be much in- fluenced by the c ons id era ti on t h at any Minister of the Crown who must b e th e crea t ure of the majority, at any port, even by the law of nations, apart from these treaties, given moment--(a laugh—mi g ht i ns tit u t e an in if they could have been dealt with as contraband of war. o , the mode in whi c h th e i n t en ti ons of the donorair as t ought to , Now, I think I cannot do better than quote from the be carried into eff e ct." (H ear, h ear.) After such an ex- !despatches of Sir Charles Napier; which we received only J. G. Philli mor e) cou ld not I this morning, giving a summary of what has been done pression of opini on h e (Mr. tin the Gulf of Bothnia. They inclose the report of understand how the Chancellor of the Exchequer could Admiral Plumridge on the occurrences between the sth attempt to take the house by surprise, as he did by the of May and the 10th of June, by which you will observe present change. He trusted the house would not consent that he has destroyed forty-six vessels afloat and on to take the institutions of Oxford from the rock of settled the stocks, amounting altogether to 11,000 tons of shipping. prescription on which they now stood, and place them on Now, that is the first operation. It has been said that we the fluctuating wave o f a Parliamentary majority, have been unsuccessful in destroying the Russian fleets. " Lift not thy spear against the muse's bower ; ,Well, but Russia has not afforded us any opportunity of The great Emathian c onqueror b a d spare doing it. (Hear.) We have to deal with an enemy who has The house of Pindarus when temple and tower boasted that the Baltic and the Black Seas are to be re- Went to the ground ; and the repeated air garded as his own lakes. We have entered thOse seas with Of sad Electra's Poet had the power our allies, the French, and given the enemy opportunities To save the Athenian walls from ruin bare." of meeting our fleets on many occasions with a superior Mr. HEYWOOD expressed his intention to support the force ; but he has skulked and remained in his retreat. amendment of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Mr. DUNLOP said the a pp ea l o f M r. P hillimore was (Cheers.) We have off e red hi m b a ttl e on f a i r t erms , b u t quite unnecessary, for the Scot c h mem b ers h ad determined he has declined. Whilst we h ave occu pi e d hi s seas hi s fleets have not ventured to appear either with his ships of on what course they ought to adopt before that appeal had war or merchantmen • and we have been driven to the been made to them. (Hear, hear.) They were now secure alternative of visiting their ports and destroying their mer themselves, but they would not act so unfairly and so in- chantmen upon their own shores. This we have done to consistently as not to support those who were in the same the extent that I have mentioned in the Gulf of Bothnia, danger as that from which they (the Scotch members) had in about three weeks, during which Admiral Plumridge just escaped. (Loud cheers.) has destroyed 11,000 tons of Russian shipping. Of 'other The house then divided— property destroyed there has been 50,000 barrels of pitch For the amendment Against it ' Majority -----10 and various other kinds of stores, amounting in value to The, amendment was therefore l os t. Th e resu l t of the b e t ween 300 , 0001 . an d 400,0001. Admiral Plumridge says division created much excitement, and the cheering lasted that the ice was not entirely broken up on the 30th of May, some minutes. and Although several ships of the squadron had touched The bill was then passed. ground, he was happy to say none had received any damage THE CONDUCT OF THE BALTIC FLEET. of consequence ; and he also spoke in the highest terms of the captains, officers, seamen, and marines, and particularly On the motion that the Speaker d o l eave th e chair for of Lieutenant Priest,' an old and deserving officer. As re the purpose of going into committee of supply, lates then to the success of the operation, we have it that Mr. M. GIBSON said he was desirous of asking some 11,000 tons of the enemy's ships have been destroyed, and explanation from the right hon. gentl eman th e Fi rst Lord from 400,0001. to 500,0001. worth of his property. Now is said that a portion of this is British property. No of the Admiralty, an d as he could as k those explanations doubt. It is impossible to make war with a foreign power now with as little interruption to public business as at any with which for a very long period we have entertained. future time, he would take this opportunity of doing so , the most amicable relations and carried on a most ex (Hear, hear.) Communication had been made to him by tensive commerce, without inflicting very considerable_ yon our own merchants. But this is among the gyeat in persons in whom he had the fullest confidence, and state- j e u vlls of war itself, and if you are really to inflict injury meats had also been made in the public papers, relative to upon your enemy it is impossible, at the commencement the proceedings of a portion of the British squadronin the. of a war, with a sudden rupture of commercial relations Baltic, and if the information which he had received and occurring, to avoid entailing some incidental evil of the' the statements to which he had' alluded wore not correct, same kind upon your own countrymen. But the right he should be very glad to have them contradicted; but if hon, gentleman said there was a blockade : he has been misinformed—there wag no blockade at Uleaborg. they were correct, he thought the circumstances which had Mr. M, GIBSON—I did not say that there was. taken place wore inconsistent with the professions of the Sir J. GRAHAM—The right hon. gentleman said that Government, as they were certainly considered by persons he understood that an application had been made Board of Admiralty with respect to the export from toU_lea the who were anxious th a t thi s war s h ou ld b e carr i e d on with borg of certain pitch and tar which was intended to be de vigour against the Ru ss i ans to be highly imp o liti c . (Hear.) livered under contract to the English Admiralty, and that On these grounds he thought the house was entitled to ask a request was made that a licence should be granted by an explanation from the Government; and he begged to which the blockade might be avoided. state that he did not rise with the slightest desire to cast Mr. M. GIBSON—AIIoW me to explain. I said I un any reproach upon Admiral Plumridge or th e officers of 'derstood that the parties, fearing there might be a block her Majesty's squadron, who ne doubt in anything which ade, and being under contract to deliver tar for the use of they had done had b een gu id e d so l e ly by a d es i re to per- the British dockyards, asked that, in the event of there form strictly their duty, and had deviated 'neither to the being a blockade, they might have a license to pass the right hand nor to the left, but bad been actuated solely by blockading s uadron ; and that intimation was given them that which always c h arac t er i se d th e o ffi cers o f h er Ma- that licenses could not be granted, but that if neutral yes q jesty's navy—a steady adherence to the path which duty sels were sent to Uleaborg for the goods, care would be pointed out to them to take. (Hear, hear.) H e put this taken that they should be allowed to pass without let or question, therefore, to the First Lord of the Admiralty, hi n d rance . with a view of obt a i n i ng an ex pl ana ti on o f th e po li cy, for Sir J. GRAHAM—At all events there certainly was no which he presumed the right hon. gentleman and his col- blockade, and by agreement between France and England, leagues wore responsible, and not with a desire to throw if there had been one, no licenses could have been granted. odium or reproa c h on th ose w h o h e h a d no d ou b t m i g h t But accor d ing to the law of nations, for a certain time be have in the course of the war very painful duties to per- fore a blockade is instituted ships that have taken in cargo form. (Hear, hear.) Now the facts, as he w as informed, and been laden before its institution, would bo entitled to wore these :—There was a small town in the Gulf of Both- pass without molestation and without damage. Now this is nil called Uleaborg, whi c h was a pur e ly commercial place, a case in which the squadron visits the enemy's ports for and which, when visited in the course of the present month the purpose of destroying his property and inflicting on him by three of her Majesty's vessels, was found to be in a per- what is, under the circumstances I have stated, a very mate fectly defenceless state, not having a single fortified place rial and serious injury to him. The right hon. gentleman, nor any munitions of war. (H ea r.) Deput a ti ons from the I think, said that there were no preparation. of a war-like inhabitants went out in a b oa t t o eseneeeeieete with the character at the ports he had named, and no property be admiral, and to ask him his intentions, and they informed longing to the Government of Russia there. Now the house him, at the same time, that they were' entirely defenceless must remember that the fleets of Russia declining the con and threw themselves upon his mercy. This deputation went filet in the manner I have described, we have been threat offin consequenceofhavingheard thatat Brahestadt, aneigh- ened with a swarm of gun-boats, which were in course of bouring town, considerable stores had been burnt by order preparation, in order to inflict injury upon our larger ships of the British admiral, end that it was probable similar i n sh a ll o w water, and in narrow seas. As a measure of pre occurrences would take place at Uleaborg. The admiral caution-Sir C. Napier most wisely determined upon visit replied to their inquiry as to his intentions by giving them in g all the ports where he thought these gun-boats might five copies of a proclamation, in which he stated that he be taking shelter, or in the course of fitting out, and in the would not injure o r mo l es t p r i va t e persons or th e i r pro - reports which we have received to-day we find that Capt. perty, that he only int en d e d t o d es t ro y th e cas tl es and de- Giffard, of the Leopard, says, he himself landed and saw fences, the shipping a nd pr o p er ty o f th e E mperor o f R us - what took place at Brahestadt.' He says there were burnt sia ; and so long as the inhabitants continued i n their on shore and totally destroyed four large vessels that were houses they would be protected, but that if they offered b u ildi ng , an d nearly completed on the stocks, and that the assistance to the Russian troops they would be treated as largest of them was nearly 500 tons, and had been pierced enemies. The deputation remarked thereupon, that in for 6 guns, that two detached store-houses were destroyed, that case they had nothing to fear, for that they had containieg many thousand barrels of pitch, tar, and oil. neither soldiers nor fortresses, nor contraband of war; and Tell, but it is alleged that this was private property ; when the admiral referred to the fact that there was a and what says Captain Giffard? _He says that "a large , quantity of tar an d ti m b er, an d o th er materials for ship number of th e m were mar k e d with the Imperial cro wn . ' building in the place, they replied that these materials (Hear, hear.) With regard to the respect shown to pri were not intended for the construction of vessels of war. vete property he also says : " I was careful not to inflict That, 'to a great extent, they were British property ; and damage upon the private houses and property. At the same that several merchants had received advances from England time I satisfied myself that there were no articles contra to assist them in making shipments of tar. The admiral, band of war secreted in the houses near the town which I on this, observed that if there was British property in the did not destroy. There were two large stores in the out place he could not help it, but that he must do his duty, skirts of the town which were found to contain flour. These and in ten mi nu t es he should begin. (Hear, hear.) With were not destroyed, as I had reason for supposing they were the proclamation nobody could find fault, for it was en- private property." Again he says : " All the officers tirely in acecce - dance with its principles that property un d er, my orders have co-operated with me in preventing should be re s p ec t e d , an d t h a t, un l ess th e ex i genc i es o f th e unnecessary alarm to the inhabitants; and I feel it my duty war required it, it sh o uld not be interfered with • that, t o re p or t th e a l acr ity, grea t s t ea di nes s, and good cond uc t in fact, there s h ou ld b o no wan t on i n t er f erence with pri- displayed by all the officers and seamen employed in this vate property. But, in respect to this private property, service." (Cheers), Here again is an account of what took he was informed that information was given and evidence place at Uleaborg. "I searched, but finding no stores taken,—for he understood that officers had landed and had with articles contraband of war I re-embarked, and pur• seen and judged for themselves—that it was entirely com- sued two schooners, of which information had reached us." inercial in its character, and was intended to be shipped Well, I should detain the house unnecessarily if I went for this country. H e was t o ld th a t n o t a p ar ti c l a o f th a t more at large into these despatches, which, as I have al properteeebelonged to the Russian Government. There ready said; will be printed in the Gazette of to-morrow were no gun-boats building ; there were no gun-boats night. They will bear out my assertion, that the officers, built. A great part of it was unquestionably English, and to the best of their judgment, only sought articles that had probably been bought and paid for before the declare- were contraband of war—that they only destroyed that tion of war, for it could not have been removed earlier in which they found afloat and ashore, which they had po consequence of the ice. That being the case, and it being the sitivo orders to destroy—that according to the rules of war property of an enemy, of an Emperor of Russia, according ' that destruction was not only justified, but it was their to the practice of war the Emperor of Russia was much more duty to effect it, and I muse say that the position of' Brit likely to have seized it than themselves. Ho was told ish officers and seamen will be hard indeed if they are or that in point of fact there was a considerable quantity of dered to use their utmost efforts, both by sea and laud, to tar there which was the property of perties in London who inflict the greatest injury lesson the enemy, and then, had contracted with the Admiralty to supply tar for the when they have done their duty, they are to bo met in use of her Majesty's dockyards • and was intended to have thi s manner . (H ear ) . Ad m i ra l Plumedge and his been delivered f rom par t o f that supply. He was informed squadron have in the most gallant and exemplary manner 'encountered peculiar difficulties. They entered a sea that the parties who had undertaken this contract apprised the Government of this country that they had bought and almost unknown and never traversed before by our ships paid for the tar, but that it was at Uleaborg in Finland, of war. All lights were extinguished--all the buoys and sinless some license or permission were granted, to taken up—they had no pilots and no charts. Up . to the allow it to be brought through the blockades quadron, the tat of June the ice was not broken up ; and yet in the contract could not be fulfilled. He understood the answer short space of three weeks, with all these difficulties was that though no license could be given, yet if neutral to contend with, 'and frequently running the ships aground, and yet extricating them again, vessels were sent to Uleaborg to fetch the tar, they would be allowed to pass unharmed threugh the squadron, and to with the best seaman-like qualities, from the danger, with com bring the tar home for the use of her Majesty's vessels. So paratively a very small loss of life indeed, and without that instead of burning the property of the Emperor of having killed a single civilian, or committed any acts of Russia, they burnt what was wanted bysand what would have t plunder, not having the slightest regard for prize-money— come into the use of her Majesty's Government. If he was (hear, hear)—and having still inflicted so much and such wrong in this, he should be happy to hear it contradicted by heavy injury upon the enemy, I say it will be hard in the right hon. gentleman. But if this tar was under con- deed, if at the commencement of a war involving immense tract to be delivered to our Government, its destruction by difficulties and sacrifices, it shall be related to our gallant Admiral Plumridge's squadron would give rise to a case of officers and seamen that the firs t notice taken o f th eir con compensation ; and the British public would have claims duct in the British House of Commons partook of the chae made upon it similar to the Danish claims for the loss of racter of censure. (Cheers.) I ask, sir, why is this • par th3 property destroyed. Now, he questioned the policy of titular indulgence to be shown to this enemy ? (Hear, making these attacks upon private property in smell defence- hear.) What has been the policy of the British Govern less 'villages on the coast of Finland. England could have mont with respect to him ? What are we to understand to no object to gein in exasperating the population of be the wish and the feeling of the people of this country? Finland, the trade of these ports being almost exclusively We did commence this war by exercising peculiar forbear carried on with thi s c ountry. No d o ubt th e l aws o f war ante, and Admiral Dundas having it in h i s power to de would justify such a proceeding, if it could be sho wn th a t stroy the city of Odessa, yet spared that city—he attacked the exigencies of war required it; but such a case of neces- only the batteries. There has been something like censure sity had yet to be made out. The right honourable gentle- cast upon him for his forbearance, and I must say that I man then qu o t e d a s tatement which h e h a d rece i ve d from myself may now begin to partake of that feeling. A flag certain gentlemen in the city of London, whose sympathies of truce was fired upon, and a British ship-of-war having he said were favourable to the carrying on this war, but by accident run ashore in a fog, immediately an immense who took th e v i ew h e h a d s t a t e d o f th ese t ransact i ons in the multitude of Russian soldiers with batteries and red-hot' Gulf of Bothnia. They said that from the accounts they had shot bore down and fired upon that stranded vessel, so that received from Finland, it appeared that the English landed I cannot say that any particular forbearance is now due to -at Uleaborg, and set fire immediately to several vessels which such an enemy. (Cheers.) Whether they be Fins or who -were upon the stocks, and ono of which had just been ther they be Russians, we offer them battle in open sea and launched, and a l so to a large quantity of ti m b er an d deals, 'upon fair and equal terms, and they decline it, they sink and from 17,000 to 20,000 barrels of tar on board the vessels roc k s i n th e c h anne l s , an d a pp roac h es t o th e i r h ar bO urs, in the harbo ur - that the whole, or nearly so, of the property f or fear of our reaching them, and every way obstruct our thus destroyed was private property, and some of it be- access to them. Well, I say, if they will not meet us in longed to Englishmen; that its destructi on cou ld only the open sea, we must visit them in their own homes, and affect the Russi an Government in carrying on the war very t e ach them that a war with England is not to be engaged indirectly ; that the Russian Government could easily ob- in with impunity. (Cheers.) I myself and my colleagues tarn other supplies of tar; but that the greater part of the a l so s h ou ld cer t a i n l y b e much embarrassed if it is to tar in que s ti on was intended for her Majesty's dockyards, be thought that this house discourages proceedings like and for English shipowner+, who would experience great those which are not of a marauding character, nor for difficulty in finding other supplies of the article. There- the purpose of obtaining prize money, nor without refer fore he (Mr. Gibson) said that to call this tar and other ence to the - feelings and loss es o f uno ff en di ng p er sons, .goods contrabaud of war was an absurdity, and he conceived but where there has been an honest desire to make the that it had been - destroyed wantonly and unnecessarily, enemy of this country feel the power of the force with which and cont rary t o th e a ssurances held out by Admiral Plum- that enemyis now cont en di ng by fair and legitimate means. ridge. S uc h p rocee dings could only give offence to the (Hear.) I for one am not prepared to check the p u rsuit of Finlanders, an d also to the Swedes, who were our best suc h a course ; and I hope and believe that in so acting I friends. He (Mr. Gibson) wished to guard himself against and my colleag ues w ill no t v i o l a t e e ith er the feelings or being supposed to reflect upon the naval offices's concerned the sentiments of the people of England. (Loud and gene inral cheering, amidst which the right hon. baronetsat down.) only these trausactions, because he believed that they had only acted upon their instructions. All he asked from the Government w a s, that they should vindicate the policy they RECENT MINE-TERIAL CHANGES. had pursued in the circumstances which he had brought Lord D. STUART was received with cries of "Oh !" on under the notice of the house. rising to call attention to the recent changes in the Mini- Sir J. GRAHAM—Sir, I was not exactly aware that stry. - He complained of the right hon. gentleman (Mr. M. the right hon. gentleman intended this evening to go into Gibson) taking precedence, when the notice he had given much detail on this subject . ; and I therefore did not b r i ng appeared first on the paper, and prooeeded to observe that down all the despatches with reference to this subject. They he wished it had fallen into abler hands than his to bring only arrived this morning, and to-morrow they will b e p u b- forward the subject. He had waited to see if some such lished in the Gazette, and then the house and the public would not be given from some han. or right hon. gentle will be better enabled to form their opinion upon the ou• I men, from o w n h e og sp it o w se a d s t ?s ,o : e so n t atu o r n al 4 to expect the g,iaara j. it but Minutione4 to whiel4 right tam SLIM DillAbdt that httiiAtiQA 91 1 10:1t t 4 be cellel to•tbele e_beDill'esTris purpose of having certain clauses proposed by Mr. Napiet added, and— An Irish Mrmnrn objecting to the motion, straw/we were ordered to withdraw. The committee divided, erten there appeared-- For the motion Against it 2O Majority in favour of the motion The house then went into committee. Mi. FOX, however, immediately man should report pr ogress . moved that the &air. Lord J. RUSSELL explained that it was only i n t e nded to go into committee pro forma, for the purpose of pre. seating the bill to the house in an amended form.. After a conversation, in which several hon. numbers joined, Mr. I. BUTT remarked that it was rather an unconr. teous thing to refuse to go into committee pro forma, on the request of an hon. member having charge of a bill, inorder to enable him to lay it before the house in the form he wished. Ho would, however, suggest that the object of his right hon. friend (Mr. Napier) would be fully gained by printing the amendments he proposed to introduce into the bill as a separate paper. Mr. NAPIER said that he had proposed to go into con. mittee pro forma merely for the convenience of the house; but as that course was objected to, he would consent that the chairman should report progress. The house then resumed. THE USURY LAWS. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then moved for leave to bring iu a bill for the repeal of the usury laws. At that Into hey (one o'clock) he could not ask the atten tion of the house, but would fully state the objects of the measure on the second reading. Mr. SPOONER could not assent to this course. He did not think that a bill of this importance should be intro duced at that hour, and without any explanation of its provisions. Mr. BROTHERTON moved the adjournment of the house. Upon this question the house divided. The numbers were— For the adjournment of the house,.... 13 Against it Majorit y The SPEAKER then put the question that leave be given to bring in the bill. Colonel DUNNE, however, moved that the debate be now adjourned. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER complained that the course taken by the honourable and gallant gen. tletnan was an unusual one. Mr. SPOONER said he objeuted to the motion because the bill was attempted to be brought in sub tii,entiO. The house then divid e d, when the result was— For the adjournment of the debate.,,,. 18 Again5t............................... 47 Majority The CHANCELLOR o f th e EXCH EQUER —29 would now briefly state to the house the object of the bill. Though it bore the ambitious title of a bill to repeal the usury l a ws, the fact was that the usury laws, except on a particular point, were already repealed. The change of sentiment on this subject had been very great of late years. In the reign of Elizabeth an act was passed limiting the rate of interest to 10 per cent. ; in the reign of James I. it was limited to $; in that of Charles IL, to 6 per cent. ; and in the reign of Anne, the act which was the basis of the present law limited the rate of interest to 5 per cent. ; but while the aim was to put shackles on the freedom of private indi. victuals, it was fuund in practice that the State was the great offenders against these laws. The law it was pro. posed to repeal was the law that prohibited loans of money at a greater rate of interest than 5 per cent., when founded on real securities. The kind of transactions chiefly affected was mortgages on land in Scotland, and railway debentures in England. As regarded the mortgages on land in Scot. land, they might occasionally hear of them as low as at 3 or 4 per cent , the practice being to fix the rates of interest at very short times, ranging from 12 to 18 months. In times of scarcity of money there was often a great pressure on the landed proprietors so circumstanced, and serious incon• veuience was the consequence, because if a man were not able to allow more than 5 per cent. on a temporary pressure for money, he was liable to be subjected to sudden demands on the part of the lender calling in his money. It was obviously better for the borrower to be able to gives the market price of money for the amount borrowed than to be called on suddenly to pay up a large sum that he might and it very difficult to obtain. (Hear, hear.) The other class of securities that were affected were railway deben tures. He believed that, if they were to rip up the history of many of our railway companies, it would be found that the usury laws had driven them to constan evasions of the law. It was proposed therefore to give them the most perfect freedom in the money-market. They had already recognised the principle of freedom of trade as applicable to money, and let them not keep up a fragment, a mere shadow of the law, that had the effect of driving men to all kinds of shifts and tricks to evade it. (Hear, hear.) Let the landed proprietor and the railway proprietor go into the market free and unshackled like other people, and then would be completed entire and un-- restricted freedom of trade in all that related to the bor rowing and lending of money. (Hear, hear.) He then moved for leave to bring in a bill to repeal the weary laws. (Hear.) Colonel BLAIR again moved the adjournment of the debate. (A laugh.) He would not have taken this course but for the con tuot of the Government on Tuesday night towards the gallant admiral the member for Christchurch, when he was desirous of bringing in a measure. (Hear.) After a short conversation, Colonel BLAIR consents to withdraw his motion. had himself given the notice which appeared upon the paper. He felt that, however much apology was needed for his own inability, nollapology was necessary for the dis charge of a duty entirely constitutional and consistent with Parliamentary practice. The appointment of persons to the highest offices of the State was a matter of the greatest importance to the nation, and therefore' deserving to be carefully exernined. (Hear, hear.) These discussions had usually taken place in a change of administration, and it might be said there had been no change of administration. But there had been considerable changes in the administra tion, and those changes affected the positions of five or six Cabinet Ministers, and one who held a high office without a seat in the Cabinet. They had caused one resignation and ttii o Parliamentary elections. They had conferred an office of great dignity and trust on ono member, and placed an other in a position of less consequence, and importance. They had added to the Cabinet a right hon. gentleman who before did not belong to the Government.. They had created an office hitherto unknown to the constitution. They had altered considerably the position of another Cabinet minis ter, and they had deprived the Government altogether of the services of another gentleman. No ono could feel any thing but pleasure at seeing his noble friend the leader of the house (Lord J. Russell) filling the high offi_e of Presi dent of tile) Council. He should rejoice to see him in a place of still grdater distin c ti on, f i lling the first post in her Ma jestys councils, because ho thought the noble lord rather conferred than received dignity from any office he might ac cept. That change had rendered another necessary, and some explanation was to be expected to account for Earl Gran ville, who had filled the office of Secretary of State for Fo reign Affairs, being content to sink into the easy somnolent chair of the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster and thereby elbow out the right hon. gentleman the member for Not tingham. That right hon. gentleman had given his ex planation, but explanation ought to be given by the Go vernment, for he could not help thinking the hon. member (Mr. Strutt) had received what in common parlance was called very scurvy treatment. Another change was in th e addition of the right honourabl e b arone t the member for Morpeth (Sir G. Grey), a gentleman of great administrativ e i abilities and unsullied character, who brought an accession of strength to the Government, but whose career in a subordinate place in the colonial department made his appointment as Secretary of State for the colonies appear rather unfortunate. He was disposed to see in it an illus tration of that saying which had been applied to the pre sent Government, that the parts had been so cast that all the square men were in round holes, and all the round men in square holes. (Laughter.) Another change was the removal of the noble duke (the Duke of Newcastle) from the office of Secretary of State for the Colonies to that of Minister of War. The house was promised explanation as to what would be the duties of the new Minister of War, but the change affected materially the position of tha right hon. gentleman the Secretary at War (Mr. Sidney Herbert). Before there was one Cabinet Minister to two departments, or half a one to each, but now they had two Cabinet Ministers to one department, and that the department of war. If the Minister of war was to have complete con trol over the war, then the First Lord of the Admiralty would be affected. However that might be, there was one thing remarkable, that the whole conduct cf the war was entrusted to the hands of gentlemen belonging to one particular section in the Cabinet, to which the Prime Minister himself belonged. The Minister at War, the Secretary at War, the First Lord of the Admiralty, and the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who financially had a great deal to do with the war, were all Peelites. (Hear.) That which gave to the subject of the creation of a war minister the greatest interest was the expectation that the office would bo confided to no other than the noble lord the member for Tiverton. (Loud and protracted cheering.) That had been the expectation of the country, and all the friends of the country. (Hear, hear.) That had been the dread of all the enemies of this country. (Cheers. If the noble lord had come down and moved a new writ for Tiver ton, and .informed the house that Lord Palmerston had accepted the office of Secretary of State for the War De partment, the announcement would have been received with cheers, which would have echoed through the country and met with a response on the Damibe and the Vistula, in the Black Sea and in the Baltic. (Cheers.) That was the man who ought to be Minister of War. (Loud cheers.) He acknowledged 'the zeal, the talents, and the courtesy of the noble duke, but he did not think the Duke of New castle would have been offended or hurt if the noble lord, with his unrivalled energy, and more than European repu tation, had been pre - erred. He denied that the noble duke was entitled to select what office he would retain when the two he had held were divided, because the single consideration with the Prime Minister ought to have been to appoint the best man, whoever he might be, without regard to any personal considerations. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord (Lord Palmerston) had had nineteen years' experience during the most difficult and terrible war in which this couutry had ever engaged, and that being so, it was the more incredible advan tage had not been taken to secure his services in the mode most conducive to t he public interest. (Hear.) He sup posed no man could tell how many years had passed over the noble lord's head. (Laughter.) There were very few men arrived at his time of life who had the same physical strength and mental vigour. (Laughter.) Not that age should be held an objection in official appointments. Ad miral Duudas was pretty nearly as old as the noble lord himself. (Laughter.) Lord Raglan was not much younger ; while, as for "Old Charlie" himself, though he might have the advantage of a few years more, he was the most vigo rous of the whole lot. . (Greet laughter.) But to return to the noble lord, was it not a shame that a man like that, with his capacity, with his reputation, with his political ex perience, of half a century, should 'waste his time and his powers in dealing with common sewers, county rates, and armies, not of soldiers, but of policemen? (Cheers and laugh ter.) It was difficult to believe that people were in earnest if they did not take the means best calculated to carry out the object which they professed a desire to attain. (Hear, hear.) Hedoubted whether the Government were in earnest aboutsthe war ; he 'did not doubt that the noble lord was the best man to direct it ; let him be appointed, and then both friend and foe would see and feel that the Government were in earnest. (Hear) Such an appoint ment would be far better than all the recantations, retrac tations, anti explanations which had been made in another place. (Laughter.) It would be better than professions of a desire to carry on the war with vigour, than the produc tion of despatches. already refugee in that house, for pur poses of personal vindication, or than any observations about "disastrous" treaties, intended, if possible, to neu tralise the effect of " disastrous" speeches. (Cheers and laughter.) Something must be done if the Government in tended to reacquire the confidence of the house and the country. That confidence, long declining, wee now pretty well lost, as was shown by the proceedings of that house. What measure had the Government been able to carry ? 'What measure. had they not been obliged to postpone or withdraw? What universities had they been in? (Laughter.) That showed that they were not in the position which they ought to be. It was true they had carried the taxes for the war, but what was the reason of that? Why, because the people, whatever the Government might be, were really in earnest, and because the house shared in their feelings, and therefore would not refuse the necessary means for prosecuting the war with vigour, but neither the people nor the house would tolerate half measuree i tear would they have a balf-and-half Ministry. (Cheers and laughter.) Mr. WILLIAMS hoped the Government had no inten tion to go on with_ supply at that late hour— (a quarter to 12 o'clock.) Cries were raised. for Mr. Brotherton, but Mr. 'WILSON immediately rose, and said he would have no objection to postpone supply till to-morrow. Leave was then given to bring in the bill, which WM read a first time. LETTERS PATENT FOR INVENTIONS. Mr. PELLATT obtained leave to bring in a bill to enable the Lord Chancellor, in certain cases, to extend the time for sealing letters patent for inventions and filing specifications for a more extended time from the expiraft tion of the term of provisional protection, The house adjourned at a-quarter to 2 o'clock. SPORTING INTELUGENCE. STOCKBRIDGF. RACES. THURSDAY. THE THIRD YEAR OF THE FOURTH TRIENNIAL STAKES of 10 'ova each, for 4-yr-olds ; colts, Bst 101 b ; fillies, Bst slb ; certain penalties and allowances. Two miles and a half. (30 subs.) Mr. Barber's Cobnut by Nutwith, Bst 101 b (Clement) 1 Mr. Percival's William Rufus, Bst 101 b (A. Day) 2 Mr. W. Day's Pharos (31b), Bst 71b (W. Day) 3 Betting-5 to 2on Cobnut, who took a strong lead, maintained it throughout, and won by eight lengths. The third beaten off a long way. FIRST YEAR OF THE SIXTH STOCKBRIDGE TRIENNIAL STAKES of 10 soya each, for 2-yr-olds ; colts, Bst 101 b ; fillies, Bst 51b ; untried stallions or mares allowed 31b., T. Y.C. (63 subs.) Mr. Bowes's The Bonnie Morn by Chanticleer, Bst 101 b (A. Day) 1 Mr. J. Clark's The Hind, fist 51b (Whitehouse) 2 Mr. Powell's Dartmouth, Bst 101 b (Yates) 3 The following also ran :—Shoreham, Arnaut, Namur, and Varna. Betting-3 to lon Bonnie Morn, sto 1 bar one on the field. Namur and Varna made the running alter nately to the distance, where Bonnie Morn drew up and quickly obtained the lead. The Hind immediately took second place and went vigorously to work to catch him, but was defeated very easily by two lengths. Very bad third. STAMP ACTS. The house then went into committee of supply. Mr. "WILSON moved that, in lieu of the present stamp duties, the following should be charged : DUTIES. / It the term if the term 51.1411 n ot shall exct ed 100 exec ed 100 years. years. Where the yeirly rent f•hall not exceed 5/. £0 a 0 £0 6 0 And where the same shall exceed Si. and SECOND YEAR OF THE FIFTH STOCKBRIDGE TRIENNIAL STAKES of 10 soya each, for 3-yr-olds; colts, Bst 101 b; fillies, Bst 51b. Certain penalties and allowances. One mile and a half.- (55 subs.) Mr. Gully's Andover, by Bay Middleton, Oat 31b (in cluding 71b extra) (A. Day) I Lord Zetland's Ivan, by Van Tromp (allowed 31b), Bst 71b (J. Marson) 2 Mr. Sargent's The Queen's Own, Bst 101 b (Thick) 3 Mr. William's Loquacious, Bst 51b (W. Day) 4 SWEEPSTAKES of 5 soya. each, with 25 added, for 2-yr olds and upwards. Optional selling weights, stc. T.Y.C. (6 subs.) Mr. Goodered's f by Harkaway—Red Tape, 2 yrs (301.), sst 21b ... Mr. V. King's Matilda, 2 yrs (301.), sst 21b...(Bundy) 2 Mr. Greville's Mandricardo, 3 yrs (501.), 7st 81b (car. 7st 101 b) (Flatnian) 3 Mr. Spencer's' c by lago, dam by Gladiator out of Marchesina, 2 yrs (301.), sst 51b (Alder) 4 Betting-5 to 4 agst Red Tape filly, sto 2 agst Ma tilda, 3to 1 agst Mandricardo. Matilda made the run ning to the rails, the favourite then went a-head and weitt by half a length. Bad third. The winner was afterwards sold by auction for 180 guineas. not exceed 101. •• •••••• • • • • • 0 6 0 0 12 0 And where the same shall exceed 101. and not exceed 15/. •—••••• ••••• • • • • • 0 rs 0 0 16 0 And where the same shall exceed 151. and not exceed 2 l .... •• •• •• •• •• •• •• • •• 0 12 0 1 4 0 And where the same shall exceed 201. and not exceed 5/ 0 10 0 1 10 0 And where the same shall exceed 251. and not exceed 501. • • •.. 1 10 0 And where the same shall exceed 501. and not exceed 751 • • And where the same shall exceed 751. mid 0 0 not exeetd 10t. •••••• - - •• 3 ° And where the same shall exceed 1001., then for every 501., and also for HnY frac tional part of 50/... • . 3 0 0 4 10 0 3 0 0 Mr. HADFIELD complained of the perpetual changes which it was found necessary to make in these acts, which, he thought, ought to be more carefully drawn in the first instance. Notwithstanding the short • time which had elapsed since the last act, it now found necessary to amend it. Ho objected to the amendment now proposed, for ho could see no reason why so great a difference should be made in leases for 100 years and in those over that period. The principle was bad, and would only lead to mischievous results in practice. Ho moved, therefore, to omit the second column of the hon..member's motion, and to make the stamp duties on leases irre,pective of their term. The STEWARDS' PLATZ of 100 ROM, added to a sweep. stakes of 10 sovs. each, h ft, 3-yr-olds, fist 10113 ; four, Bst 41b ; five, 3st 111 b ; six and aged, 9st. Certain penalties and allowances. Two miles. (82 subs.) Mr. Gully's The Hermit, by Bay Middleton, 3 yrs, 7st lib (including 51b extra) , (Wells) Mr W. Smith's Little David, 4 yrs, Bst 41b (Hornsby) 2 Lord W. Powlett's Sharavogue, 5 yrs , Bst 111 b. (S. Rogers) 3 The following also ran :—The Poacher, Barrel, and Ireland's Eye. A doubt having been raised as to the exact weight Hermit was to carry, the stewards decided that he was hahle to carry only 51b extra for winning the Two Thousand. Lord GALWAY objected to a discussion being taken at that late hour on this important point. Mr. WILSON reminded the committee that this was but a preliminary resolution, necessary in order to enable the Government to bring in a bill, and ho would therefore suggest to his lion. friend to allow it to pass and to make his objection in committee upon the bill. If his hon. friend would assent to this there would be no nt , ed to discuss the principle of the proposed alteration at that time. The question would then have been before the house for some time. Mr. HADFIELD would rather take the opinion of the committee at once. . _ Sir H. WILLOUGHBY thought it desirable that the committee should know exactly what ch Inge was to be made, and why it was to be made. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that. this very resolution had been prepared in order to meet some objections which had been made to the Stamp Act by hon. member who was opposed to it. The hon. gentle man (Mr. Hadfield) had on various occasions urged objec tions to the present duties, considering that they were too high, and did not make sufficient distinction between con veyances out and out and long terms of years, and it had been the endeavour of the Government in this resolution to meet these objections. It seemed to him that leases generally ought to be divided into three classes ; the first consisted of short farming and other leases, seldom exceed ing more than 35 years. The next class was building leases, which generally extended to 99 years, and the third class were those over 100 years. This last class approximated to conveyances out and out, and therefore it was thought only right that they should bear an increased rate of duty. Th ey proposed to fix the charge on leases of from 35 years to 100, at one quarter the charge for conveyances in fee, and on leases under 25 years the charge would remain as at pro - sent. Chief rent would bo the same charge as if f or a leaser. above 100 years. Mr. BRIGHT did not think that the right hon.gentle man had - much mended his original proposition There were three descriptions of property affected. Annual al rents under 100 years, and above 35 ; annual rents above 100 years, and leases in perpetuity. Th e fi rs t th e r i g ht hon. gentleman increased six times, the second, t w elve times, and the last he reduced one-half. Would it not have been fairer to have had au ad valorem stamp duty on all. The plan cf the right hon. gentleman only m ade the inconsis tencies of the duty more arina. th an they were before. He contended th at the annual rent was the true test of value, and that upon that an ad valorem duty should be levied. Mr. HENLEY suggested that the committee should re port progress. After a few words from Mr. WILSON, the Chairman re ported progress and the house resumed. The Dublin Carriages Bill was read a third time and passed ; the Linen, &c., Manufactures (Ireland) Bill, and Turnpike Acts Continuance (Ireland) Bill, were read a second time. THE LANDLORD AND TENANT (IRELAND) BILL. OA the motion to golato coramitttelTO Pala, fox the The MOTTISTONT STAKES of 15 SOUS. each, 10 ft, with 100 added, for two-year-olds ; colts, Bst 71b ; fillies, Bst 41b. Certain winners extra. T.Y.C. 51 subs. Mr. H. Hill's Kingstown, by Tearaway, Bet 71b (A. Da3) 1 Mr. Fenning's The Border Chief, Bst 121 b (including slb extra (Marlo w) 2 Mr. Powney's William the Third, B s t 71b Mr. J. Adkins's Titormus, Bst 121 b (including' 51b ex ) 4 ..„,(Bcfaton) . 3 tra ..........(Flat . man ............ • with 10 added The STAND PLATE (handicap) of 50 :: g " for the second horse ; tot all ages New mile. , (two -year-olds ex- Mr. Newland's Old Row l 6 Y , " 5 yrs, 6st 01b ................. ; . ci .. .. ... iiii; ... (J Goater) 2 v the Merry Monarch, Mr. Y. King's Narcissus, ag P Est Mr. W. Day ' s (Alder) 3 3 :--Albemarle, First Lord, The following also ran Norval, Convict. Georgey, Young Nonsuch, Eccleston, BETTING ON THE COURSE. LIVERPOOL CUP. 4to 1 agst Heapy (9 to 2 taken). 100 to 6 agst Dr. O'Toole GOODWOOD STAYER. - 10 to 1 agst Heapy (taken). 10 to 1 agst Diana (12 to 1 taken). 12 to 1 agst Muscovite (taken). 100 to 6 agst Dr. O'Toole (taken). GOODWOOD OUP. 2to 1 agst Virago (taken). ST. LEOER. 10 to 1 agst Ivan (offered). DERBY. 11 to 1 agst Grasoulus Esuriens. 15 to 1 agst Oulston (to 1001.) 20 to 1 agst Bonnie Morn (taken). 20 to 1 agst Flatterer (taken). 40 to 1 agst Moonbeam colt (to upwards of 3011.) The attendance of company was much or than on the previous day, the weather showery ab L a INA on the whole favourable ' and tI A proceedings r/. auctsa in Tory Rtitiatotory paws! THE COPYHOLD COMMISSIONERS. Mr. AGLIONBY asked to what place it vvas intended to remove the office of the Copyhold Commissioners ? Sir W. MOLESWORTH said that at the beginning of this month be bad received a direction from the Treasury , to provide offices for the War Minister, as near to Down ing•street as possible. There were but two places eligible —Gwy,lyr House, at present tenanted by the poor law authorities, and Pembroke House, occupied by the Copy hold Commissioners. It was judged inexpedient to inter fere with the present occupation of Gwydyr House, and hence the residence held by the Copyhold Commissioners had been-selected as the place for the War Minister. The house to which the Copyhold Commissioners were to remove was No. 3, St. James's-square, which would require a sum of about 3,0001. to put it in order. COLONIAL CLERGY DISABILITIES BILL. Sir J. PAKINGTON asked whether it was the inten tion of the Government to proceed with this measure this session ? Lord J. RUSSELL said it was not the intention of the Government to proceed with the bill. (Laughter.) OXFORD UNIVERSITY BILL. Upon the order of the day for the further consideration of this bill being read, Mr. HEYWCIOD proposed to add the following clause : " From and after the first day of Michaelmas Term, 1854, it shall not be necessary for any person, upon taking the degree of bachelor in arts, law, medicine, or music, in the University of Oxford, to make or subscribe any declara tion, or take any oath, save the oath of allegiance, or an equivalent declaration of allegiance, any law or statute to the contrary notwithstanding." After the statement which he had made upon bringing this clause in on a former oc casion but little remained for him to say. He thought, , however, that this was ,a most opportune bill for such a clause, as the power of the commissioners would last for four years and the degree of bachelor might be attained in three. Thus before the power of the commissioners ceased the working of the clause would be seen in practice. With out reiterating the arguments which had been brought for ward on Monday, he begged to recommend this clause to the house as one which, while it was due as a measure of justice to the Dissenters, would do great good to the uni versity itself. (Hear, hear.) Mr. NE WDEGATE supported the amendment. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the Government intended to support the clause, consider ing that after the decision to which the house had come, they were doing the best for the university, but he said that nothing would induce him to vote for it if he believed that it would put a stop-to religions education. He was convinced, however, that the university would address itself in an earnest spirit to adapt itself to the require ments of leo a islation. Sergeant SHEE. amid the impatience of the house, com plained that the oath of allegiance should be imposed. The house then divided, when there appeared— For the clause 233 Against it 79-154 The clause was accordingly read a second time. On the question that it be read a third time, Mr. WIGRANI moved a provision to the effect that no person taking the degree of bachelor in arts should be ca pable of holding any_ office of emolument, or take any share in the government of the university, without having taken the oaths at present required. Mr. HEYWOOD opposed the motion. Lord J. RUSSELL also opposed it, as an addition to the Act of Uniformity. Mr. WALPOLE recommended its not being pressed. He added an announcement that any future attempt to give any portion of the government of the university to Dis senters would meet with the strongest opposition. The motion was withdrawn, and the clause agreed to. Mr. J. G. PHILLIMORE . moved the addition of the following clause :—" That from and after the Ist day of December next, no member of the university shall be allowed, on account of his rank, to pass his examination or take his degree sooner than another undergraduate." Lord J. RUSSELL had no objection to the clause. Mr. GOULBURN could not assent to the clause. Mr. HEYWOOD thought the time required to elapse in taking up degrees could be advantageously shortened in the case of commoners well us noblemen. Mr. WARNER also concurred in that opinion, as under the existing system much useful time was lost towards the end of matriculation in absolutely doing nothing. The clause was agreed to, and ordered to be added to the bill. Mr. E. DENISON moved to insert at the end of clause 18 the words, " Heads of colleges and halls being profes sors shall vote only for heads of colleges or halls." The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER remarked that the house had already decided in favour of sectional elections, and since this addition would improve the clause in that respect there could be no objection to it. The addition was then agreed to, and ordered to be added to the clause. Sir W. IIEATHCOTE moved an amendment to clause 29, the interpretation clause, "that the word 'residents' shall be taken to mean persons whose residence within the university for twenty-four weeks during the twelve months next before the first day of the current or next preceding Michaelmas term, shall have been verified by the declara tion in writing of all persons claiming to vote or act as such residents, or in such other manner as the university shall from time to time by statute appoint." Mr. WALPOLE considered it better to leave the matter to the university ; there would be great difficulty in proving the 24 weeks' residence. Mr. E. DENISON also opposed the amendment ; and, After a few words from Mr. HENLEY and the CHANCEL LOR of the EXCHEQUER, Sir VT. HEATHCOT~ withdrew Mr. R. PALMER moved to add the following words to the same clause :—" And the words ' existing' and en joyed,' when used with reference to interests specially saved or protected by this act, shall not extend to or in chule any right or claim which at the time of passing this act may be in practical disuse." Mr. KEATING considered the amendment would only give rise to doubts. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved to add to the end of the clause introduced on the motion of Mr. R. Palmer some days ago, and which provides for the rights of schools in connexion with the colleges, the follow ing proviso :--" And if in any college where fellowships or studentships are tenable by undergraduates, either the col lege, or the commissioners acting in respect thereof, shall divide its fellowships or studentships into elder and younger, the elder only shall be taken to the fellowships or studentships within the meaning of this section." With regard to scholarships and exhibitions, these words would leave the clause as it stood, and would touch only the fel lowships. The fellowships stood upon a different footing to the studentships When the colleges were originally founded, they were not intended to be the great teach ing offices of the universities, from which the universities were to draw their scholars, but offices of residence and study in the colleges. Now, however, the countryexpected from the colleges the university education ; and though they had private halls, it was to the fellows of the colleges they had to look for the conduct of that education. The question was, whether the bill, as it originally stood, did not sufficiently provide for the protection of the interest of the schools. Power was given to the colleges to propose reforms, and if they did not, then the commissioners had the power, and an appeal was given to the Privy Council. That would have been a sufficient protection to a school like Winchester, which was supposed to have a right of successibn to New College ; but, under the clause introduced by the hon. and learn d gentle man, the decision as to whether there should be any re form or not was left not to the governing body of New College, but also to the governing body of Winchester, who would have to decide whether New College should still be a close college for the boys of Winchester or not ? But was this governing body of Winchester school, a body so practically acquainted with New College or with the wants of Winchester school, to be entrusted with this duty? It was composed of ten clergy men, one of whom only took any active part in the affairs of the school, two others permanently resided in Winches ter, and the other seven were never heard of there, and these were the persons - who, under the hon. and learned gentleman's clause, might nullify the purposes of this bill and nullify the judgment of the commissioners. Mr. ROUNDEL', PALMER said the amendment pro posed by the right hon. gentleman was altogether opposed to the clause the house hal affirmed, that principle being that the schools wore as much entitled to the emoluments and endowments belonging to them as the colleges were to their emoluments and preferments. Ile concluded by ex pressing a hope that all who were interested in these schools would not forget the principle for which he was contending, and which, but for this clause, would have had-no special protection, and that they would come forward and not al low those schools to be deprived of the benefit of that clause by the amendment of his right hon. friend. Mr. LOWE hoped that the house would consider what the exact question was, namely, whether these schools should send boys to the university in a manner which would do them irreparable - injury by destroying their in dustry, while such a system would have a tendency to in jure the university by placing the concluct of its education in the hands of inferior men.; and Oxford would never be intellectually supereminent—except by adopting the prin ciple of free and open competition. (Hear, hear.) Sir W. HEATEICOTE said that Mr. Lowe had con tended that the governing bodies of these schools did not possess enlarged and enlightened views, but he hoped that the hon. gentleman did not wish that they should acquire those views at the expense of other persons, and by means of the invasion of positive rights. The authorities at Winchester had at this moment in contemplation a plan for enlarging the competition for the advantages of New College, while the authorities of New College might, under the provisions of this bill, exercise the strongest influence on young men, so as to give them every stimulus to in dustry. Mr. G. VERNON had entertained.a strong feeling as to the rights of these schools, which he thought were quite as important, though smaller in kind, as the rights of the university itself. He had accordingly voted for the clause of the hon, and learned gentleman opposite, but the lute- ic.l-‘f2;r:.T .. i