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Ithen, which remained, the fi rst was the practical 1,.. revision of the whole system of taxation, end' the el triode in which it is distributed through all the chart. reels of our productive mdustry—a systetn not re. „. gulated by circumstances or governed by expedients, but capable of bearing the test of solid argument, ;d though it might not happenat the moment to fall in with the course of popular feeling. No man knew !fr' better than he did, the value of popular feeling in t. support of any measure of ii Government; but he thought that the taking lip of any theory of taxa tion, or the reduction of taxation to gratify such ,; feelings, without a duo consideration of the come , quences likely to result from them, was calculated i , to produce most injurious results to the general wel fare of the State. The other mode by which they ..,- I might obtain a surplus was to reduce the expendi. 's; tore to a considerable extent. He would not enter 0 into details on this subject, us he was aware that '''', much hail deep done, but he did not know why re. ' duction might not be curried further. At least he 1 watipereuaded, that unless these two objects were kept steadily in view ; unless there was a revision of e 4 t r i° it r il I: i n s d o a r the conti n ual itext " S :s r : i i :ill) too 1 o tr u a r tio sy n s e te o m od o , f e t i a ti x i reduce the expenditure, the country could not rise superior to the burdens which pressed upon it, its it resources could not be drawn out, and no Adminis -1 Parliament, obtain that degree of confidence from st i ir )a p r l i t i l li o n t l il e i l o lt ul w d h a i m ci o ) perided upon cheurnstances end passing events, and veried according to the quantity of taxation which amount t ti to 3 p necessary cso,oo t to , bo enable t i l tt should to h o c u o l t d i - duct the affairs of the country. In conclusion he would repeat the question, to which he requested , the Noble Duke would give his answer. The first question to which he wished an answer was, who - ther the present Government looked to have a our. t, plus revenue? The second was, what in their opi. ,a, Ilion, it was during the lust year P The third, what ' they conceived it likely to be ? And the fourth, e,, 1 1 what were the grounds on which their estimates Lf, were framed ? 74 The Duke of WELLINGTON said he could ~, 1 r not anticipate any satisfactoryresult from protracting ,' a discussion which was then ill-timed and unseason able,,t not being calculated to throw much light on • the subject to which it related, Attar early period of the session, indeed about a fortnight after its corn tnencement and previous to a vote upon the esti mates, he lead stated the amount of the anticipated ...,,. surplus in a manner - which he hoped would have 1 : been deemed satisfactory, but he had since found that he Was incorrect in one of his statements re : fpecting expenditure, which the Noble Viscount hatl subsequently set right. With regard to the (pes t tions which had been put to him, he would make a ' - very few observations. The fourth report of the '.. Finance Committee lied certainly stated that the not be forgotten that the amount of the revenue de ! wag reduced. He could not pretend to hold out z.. . that there would be surplus to the amount of 3,000,000/. this year; neither could he undertake to promise that it would be found at that next year, unless the revenue happened to be greater than he k hail calculated. But still there would necessarily be i 4 a very considerable surplus if the revenue was at all equal to diet of 1829. The state of expenditure this k!'' year stood as follows t-.-Tare interest on the funded debt amounted to 28,303,000/. ; the interest on die ,s,*, unfunded debt wet 716,0001. ; pensions and other v permanent charges came to 2,1 80,000 L ; for the army, fft navy, and ordnance there were 10,518,1104, making ' A total of about 60,408,0004 For 1830 the esti. mate of customs was taken at 17,200,0001.; of ex. s., ~, cure, 10,300,0001.; of stempe, 13,700,0004 making a (,' ,total of 60,480,0001. Then front the revenue, they I , thould deduct from October the beer duty, making it , to be 7.50,00 W.; the leather duty, 100,000/. ; the 1 ' I t sugar duty, 165,0004; making in all a gross sum of 1. 1,025,0004 For 1831 they might suppose the re. vomit, to he the acme as in 1830, vis„ 50,408,0001.; and they would have also to take the change of ''; spirit duties into consideration. In the year ending Jun, 5, 1829, the surplus amounted to 3,246,3034 ; ' and the expenditure to '61,039,8334 Taking the , reduetions which had been ready into their calculi. i • ' than, the expenditure for this year would some to .4 abou t 41,816,14714 and for next year to 40,552,1474 ;i Within the last three years Government had made V reductions to the amount of 3,600,0001. sterling. tr On the navy, army, and °Mune() the reduction was 2,600,0004, on the national debt 180,0001, on the 't unfunded debt 128,0004, and on other items the remainder, making , as he said, a reduction in all of 7, 3,600,0001, on the expenditure, and 3,500,000/. , - ' in the repeal of taxes.—(flear.)—This great reduc _e tion, he conceived, entitled them to look to the in. crease of other items of taxation to make up the 1 44 2,000,0001, which he tubnitted to be deficient, Such • a saving in the establishments of the country, he repeated, entitled them to claim credit for what had 4 .. been already done, and have a suaielent assurance that they would yet do still more.—(Heur, hag)" Of the 10,500,0004 for the navy, army ordnance, SA miscellaneous services, Where rowing might be effected, there were about 11,000,0001. with which tle,y could not interfere. Then as to the eipences t ' of the culoniee, he would pledge himself that they would be found far from considerable, if the tube 4, dale of convicts and charges for troops were struck out of the calculation. Much had been heretofore ~., accomplithed, end he trusted that the earnest ens , ' deavours of Government to complete their task, — which he could assure the House was by no means a pleasant one,—would experience a suecosaful con , summation„—( hear.) r . , Lord KING said the mis-statement of the Noble Duke at the early part of the Smoker might be at ,i: rributed to his subsequent change of intention with respect to the financial arrangements for the year, iiii he had been forced by eircumstances to do what !i hed never entered originally into his contemplation. .' if the colonies were better governod,'end jobs were . out down, the suitable colonial estubliahments might '. be maintelued out of what was deducted from their 4, profusion. But in this respect, as in many others, those things which they should him done they did • nat, and that which they should nut have done th e y ' did. Ile hoped that them would be found no ditli. 4 citify in passing the Beer Bill, as it was almost the ! 'only public Bill which had been sent up from the 'Commons during the whole of the Session. In , deed, the Speaker might with greet propriety up ,: proach the liar at the prorogation, and address the i ..: King with the single tentative, " Most gracious Ifiovereign, we have tressed the Belo Dill." ' The Duke of WF,LLINGTON (Amerved, that ki theta had olio been a considerable reduction of tax ation during the present &pion. Lord KING was understood to reply that this was the worst your which had been known to the revenue for a greet length of time, 4, Te e mu t e then went ioto the Committee. 1 , On the reading . of the first thos e , The Duke of ILICHIVIOND assured their Lord aldps that in rising to propose an additional Meuse to 't,thtt Dill, he hail no hostility to its general principle, r . one had any wish to get rid of it by a Side wind. t He was ready to admit that the remission oh taxation ~ to the amount of the beer duty was a benefit to the peblic, for which he was grateful. But while Ito ,1141114 favourable to the principle of the Dill, Ito had ill : toent objections to some of Its details, lie wits Anittottti that the poor man should bevel his beer i .::4 c h eap, but h e wee also anxima Ow he should have i t at home, cud in the bosom of his Lindy, end iluit iin inducement should not be held out to Wtn . to retort for it to 14 public-house. He should , selth that this bill shaohl h:4 oo framed as to wean ~11i., the labourieg poor front the lials,t of resorting to the publie.house, end from the sori .if lomig" which he met there. With a v iew ' to oil .- th l s resut, the hilt mot tc , /00 ,„ tod „ not , r ,, ff r i pi ti ,, l ' a i ,,, e ) , eiples, for the faarbties el 10461%10 E . ti t — p --7 . 0 ,. to !to crewed tAittioot ierretotint the ei r tti e t e r n f might holii•!tt, which would take men trim% . t i ' o 4 'i r ii i Put" The priweple for which lie eouterideil WAS flOt ' S " ln Oilt i it- had th:.'ll in opereti Ott fur ecmly three etm torieh, Riot ought mot to hat 4111oUtoi from ~,,,t out some strung grounds were 1664 Va, Wiiii.h ha tue4r• ti4loloti were nut proved by the promoters of 64,. Bill; the less shouhl it ber departed from when it a ovoilecil the intereate...the vested interests he would „ _ . call them— of nearly 50,000 persons, who, relying upon the faith of Parliamentary enactments, had vested, or continued their capital, ►n public-houses. The interests of such a large number of individuals ought not 'to be sacrificed for the sake of a measure, the advantage of which under this 13111 was more than doubtful. From some of the evidence taken before the Committee of the other House, it appeared to him that the free trade in beer would not give that advantage to the public which was contemplated. It was stated with re spect to one district—that of Wapping, that the public-houses were too numerous—that while the . Population WIN dirynshed, the number of those houses continued 'the same as in the war, and that twelve public-houses in one neighbourhood were supplied by ten brewers. Now these facts showed as much competition in the trade as could well be expected, and yet it was not round that the beer there was cheaper or better than elsewhere. Si milar evidence had been given as to a district in Cornwall, and the evidence of Mr. Drummond, a member of the other House, went to show, that where competition was greatest in another part of the kingdom, beer was not cheaper or better in con sequence; yet the advantage of competition was one of the great arguments in support of this Bill. The Noble :Duke then proceeded to contend, that the examination of evidence as to the probable effects of the Bill, should not have been confined to that of a few publicans and brewers, and one Scotch Member of Parliament. They ought to have had the evidence of Magistrates and others locally acquainted with what might be the probable effect of the change about to be made. When the Bill of 1828, for allowing the retail of beer on pre mises where it was brewed, and which had been the result of the deliberations of a Committee for two sessions, was introduced in 1828, it was stated, by the Secretary for the Home Department,tho Chan cellor of the Exchequer, the Secretary to the Trea sury, and the' Paymaster of the Forces, and others, that no farther change could be made with respect to the trade in beer than was made by that Bill, and the publicans were led to believe that their interests were not to be interfered with any farther. Up to 1828, consistency in opinion was a characteristic of public men generally; and if a Minister chose to depart from consistency on a great public question, he usually atoned for hie change of opinion by' the forfeiture of his office. However, their Lordships had lived to see such versatility in Ministers with out producing any such effect; and, whatever might be the effect in other respects, theit Lordships'. ought not to allow the interests of this large class of men to be injured by the versatility on this sub ject which they had witnessed. The Noble Duke went on to contend that the House ought not to sanction a change which would be so injurious to' the morals and to the police of the country, and concluded by moving a clause to the effect, that no potion to be licensed under this Act should he allowed to sell any beer, ale, cider, or other liquor ,! to be consumed on the premises where sold,or in any shop, out-house, or other place adjoining. The Earl of FALMOUTH supported the amend ment, and contended that by the Act of 1628 there was as much competition created as could be ex pected. Every thing that could be expected in the way of competition was already obtained, and yet it was found that beer was not cheaper or better. The Noble Earl also contended that sufficient evidence had not been examined as to the probable effects of the Bill; and the consequence was, that the vested interests of many thousand persons who had pro. perty embarked in this trade to the amount of 30,000,0001. were overlooked. As a measure which would be a great improvement to the agricul. tural interest, he thought it was greatly overrated. It had not been supported by evidence; on the con- trury, the evidenie adduced went quite the other way, and in the face of that evidence this Bill was now to be passed by their Lordships. Ils could state that in his own neighbourhood the Bill of 1828 had been greatly abused, and that persons were al lowed in many cases to drink on the premises licensed under that Act. That evil, however, would be gradually corrected under this Bill, if it were passed with the amendment moved by the Noble Duke. In fact, if drinking were allowed in the small henget; to be licensed under this Bill, it would bring together a number of the worst characters, who would be found a great annoiance to many a neighbourhood hitherto quiet. lite excise officer who was to give the license could, not be a good judge of the fitness of the parties applying for n license. All he had to look to was the revenue, and he would give the license without any reference to what might be its effect in a neighbourhood to which he might be an entire stranger, and from which he might be removed in a few days. On t h ese grounds he had the strongest objections to taking the jurisdiction out of the hands of the Ma. gistratee. It was said that the parties to be licensed under the Bill were still under the surveillance of the Megistrates, but why not continue them to the same extent tinder their controul as at present ? On all these grounds, he must say, that h e hid never supported any thing with more pleasure than he should the amendment of the Noble Duke. Lord bLLENBOROUGH said, it was a great satisfaction to him to perceive, that ho w ev er some of their Lordships might differ as to some points of the Bill, they seemed to by unanimous in favour of one of its great objects, that of giving to the poor man a cheaper drink. It was on this ground that he supported the Bill. it had been said by the Noble Duke (Richmond) that it was an innovation one system that bad continued for so many cen turies; but hp (Lord Elleaborough) must say, that it was also au innovation to have no tux on beer, and when it was decided that the tax should be re- - moved, this Bill became necessary to give to the poor man the full bene fi t of the remission, From the calculations made by persons fully qu a lifi e d, i t appeared that this very Bill would benefit the poor Of England to the amount a 1,500,000/., in addi tion to the 3,000,0004 duty Wien off beer, and when Noble Lords talked of the great value of public-houses under the present iyatem, es compared with houses not licensed, they should consider that sit this difference of value came out of the pockets of the poor who consumed beer, The Noble Lord then went on to contend that the reduction of the duty on beer in conjunction with this Bin would encourage the consumption of a wholesome beverage amongst the poor, and discourage that of into;icating liquors, the use of which had greatly increased within the 1441 few years. He also contended that the competition by. the smelter houses under this Dill would not du that injury to the houses already established that some Noble Lords seemed to ima gine. It had been awed by a Noble Elirl that one object of this Bill seemed to be to lessen the in. hence of the Aristocracy by diminishing the control which Magistrates ought to have in their neighbour. hood. Such a charge he must consider as wholly without foundation. It did not give the power taken from theta to others; the Magistrates would still have t;; effectual control over the public-houses in their districtio, eud he rather thought, that as the value of public.hourea would be diminished, Ma gistrates wt.,llld now be more dispersed to take away the bowel; of persons improperly eeedeCOOlit thems salves. The Ender MALMBUBLYBY said, that nothing that had fallen from the Noble Baron wus loconsise, ketw with the adoption of the Noble Duke's amend,' mast. Aa pltjt:lt of the Bill was to give the poor mars el sup 1/46"; th,e object of the Noble Duke's clause wag, that 14,0 0,0611 d have cheep and good beer in good company ; Chet wee, that he should be encouraged to consume it at home amongst his fitmily, rather than that he should be tempted to fregtfent4;mull public-houses which would be licensed under this Bill. 110 fully concurred with the Noble Ear! (Falmouth) that routl had already been done la- the way of competition by the Bill of Is2B-- 6 'nee wiii;4 upwards of 1,400 new licenses hud beets greeted, tucludipg those to retail brewers. t) " , :PPi'it cot'llectetl with thin 'object seemed to be. eatlre 4! oveilook e d by Ministers—it wai that of l'ulo"rvikiwit if thvy were to have an effectual MI -1S"V"1", they blitadd greatly itterens'e their exciao ' ____. establishment; but if they did not, what then would become of the advantages promised from the Bill, of having a good as well as cheap article ? for undoubtedly in remote public-houses the few customers who visited would be obliged to take the article such as they could get it. Another ground of objection was, the mode in which security was to be taken under the Bill. Two persons giving security to the amount of 104 each were considered sufficient, but these were likely to be as inefficient as the securities tendered by the sham bail, of which their Lordships had heard so much. The proper security ought to be two resident householders in the parish, who could show that they were assessed to such an amount; but even with this amendment he thought the Bill would be inefficient, unless the licensing were placed under the control of the ma gistrates. The Earl of HAREWOOD said he should be very happy if this Bill augmented the revenue and increased the comforts of any portion of the public. lie must, however, say, that he thought a great deal more good would have been done by taking off the malt duty; and, considering that the clause now under discussion would tend to alter the habits of the people in the country, by inducing them to as semble together in public-houses, instead of drink ing their beer at home, he should support the amendment. The Marquis of BUTE said, that it was impose sible that any one could attach more importance than he did to the moral character of the Working classes of this country, and that nothing on earth could induce him to sanction any measure which he believed would tend to degrade that character. He bad read this Bill with great pains; he had given it the most deliberate consideration, and he was totally at a loss to discover what were the grounds on which any Noble Lord could apprehend that mo rality would be injured by it. 'rhe measure ap peared to him to leave a n extensive and useful con- troul in the hands of the magistracy—a controul much better, he thought, than that which was vested in the magistracy by the existing law. It had been said that the Bill would increase the number of public-houses, and that public-houses already bore an unfortunate proportion to the population; but it seemed to be forgotten that that increase would be carried into places where public-houses were wanted —namely, villages and small towns; in many of which there were at present no public-houses at all. As to what had been said about vested interests, be thought that required no answer. He was himself the proprietor of several pnblic•houses, and his tenants In d complained to him of this measure; but he had nei► Cher attended to those complaints, nor did lie think that he should be justified in complaining himself. lie thought that Milliners had been unjustly treated when they were charged with bringing forward this Bill solely as a measure of revenue; be looked upon it as a great relief to the people : for that reason it should have his support, and for that reason be esteemed and admired the Ministers• for bringing it forward. Lord BEXLEY entirely concurred in what had fallen from the Noble Marquis who had just sat down. So far from thinking that the Bill had an/ tendency to injure morality, he was of opinion that it was calculated to promote morality, by taking people away from the houses in which spline were sold. When he considered the whole range of taxa tion, and calculated what other burdens might have been removed instead of granting the relief which this measure afforded, he must say he thought that the Bill now before their Lordships was the greatest boon that Government could have conferred on the lower orders. The Duke of RICHMOND replied. The House then divided— For the amendment Majority for the original clause 4 The Duke of RICHMOND said it was his in tention to have proposed in Committee a clause giving the publicans time to prepare for the change: but after the small minority by which the amendment had been supported, he should not trouble their Lord ships with the clause at present. However lie in. tended to , bring it forward on the third reading, with a view to state ,his reasons why he was of opi nion that at least twelve months ought to be given to the publicans previously to the Bill coming into operation. Preparatory to all the great changes made of late years in the currency, the system of bounties, &c. due notice bad been given, and he thought a similar plan should be adopted on the present occasion. One advantage resulting from it would be, to afford time for the inquiries of a Select Committee on the subject. As he said before fr he should move a clause, on the third reading, to the effect stated, and if it were negatived, he would enter his protest on their Lordships' Journals. The Duke of WELLINGTON observed, that publicans held their licenses from year to year ; con sequently the necessity of notice on the ground of rested interests, could not be insisted upon with any degree of plausibility. The House having resumed, the Bill, with one amendment, was reported, and the report agreed to. ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE BILL. Thu LORD CHANCELLOR gave notice that on Tuesday he should move the second reading of this Ml.—Adjourned. HOTItiE OF COMMONS.—(LAST NIGHT.) Mr. WARD brought up the seventh report of the Select Committee appointed to inquire into the state of East Indian affairs. He said that the former re. ports were exceedingly long, which was not to be wondered at, because they consisted of evidence, and no less than 0,600 questions were put to the wit nettle". The present report was, however, of a short compass, and it was an extraordinary fact, that all the thirty-five Members who composed the Committee were of opinion that the report was most impartially, drawn up. He therefore thought that it would be considered acceptable to the House. Mr. TRANT said, that he had so doubt the sub ject would again be referred to a Committee in the ensuing Session of Parliament, and he trusted that the state of India, particularly as respected the na tives of India, would be then considered. There was another point to which he wished to advert, and to which he should have taken an opportunity, in the present session, of calling the attention of the House, if he had not been restrained from doing so by the appointment of a Committee on East India affsiri,—he meant the land revenue of what was technically called " the ceded and conquered pro- . vinees," under the government of Bangui. He was f it opinion "that a flagrant breach of faith had been committed with the natives, respecting the settle.. meta of the 1101'114 Ili therefore hoped that the a tt ent i on of those appointed to the Committee next year, would be directed to thi s su bj ect , as it was one' : in in which the national honour was concerned. . General GASCOYNE was glad to hear that the report just presented had met with general appro bation, because he had thought that the Committee' w a s not likely, from its construction, to be of m uc h b, ne ti t t o the country, lie thought its constitution was too favourable to the East India Company. He kaew nothing of the report just laid on the table, but the former reports were even more favourable to the Company than he could have expected. situa tions high situa , Mr. S. WORTLEY was were that there were Company, but there liume persons on the Committee holding under the East India Com Were also many Members, of which number hp was one, w h o h a d not made their minds up on the sub ject, and whose only Object was to ascertain the truth. With respect to the present report, there w a s not a difference of opinion ; it had met with unanimous approbation. With respect to the ceded prqvincee, he should certainly, if a member of the Committee n tbp next Session of Parliament, turn his attention to the stitijtat. Mr. WARD said that the former reports were confined to the evidence of witnesses, and if th ey were partial, t h at was an evil which the Committee could not help. EWART bore testimony to th e irn portiality of the present report. if s I .loped that the Committee would be re-appointed next, year, and that sonic persons who bud been in India, but who were totally unconnected with the East India Com pany, would be appointed members of it. General GASCOYNE said he had no intention of casting any reflection on the fairness of the pre sent report. The report was then received. Mr. J. STEWART presented a petition from Patrick Thompson ' late a private in the 's7th Regi ment, quartered in New South Wales, complaining of harsh conduct exercised towards him by the Governor of the colony, General Darling, after having been found guilty, of stealing a piece of cloth, with the intent of obtaining his discharge from the army. The petitioner stated, that after having re ceived a free pardon from the Secretary of the Colo nies, be proceeded to England, and upon his arrival at Chatham was confined in the guard-house for nearly nine weeks, when an order from the Horse Guards was transmitted for his discharge. Not withstanding his free pardon, he was stated in that document to be " discharged with ignominy," which words were inserted in a different hand-writing from that in the body of the order; and in consequence ,of their insertion he was thrown friendless and pennyless on the world. Sir H. HARDINGE believed the petition did not state all the facts of the case accurately. The , petitioner, on his arrival at Chatham, was guilty of an act of insubordination, and was in consequence imprisoned by an order of a Court-martial. He, however, promised to see whether the petitioner's statement about the insertion of certain words was true; and if so, he would take care that the pe titioner's case should be redressed. Mr. HUME thought the petitioner deserving of some consideration on the part of Government. Mr. O'CONNELL was of the same opinion. He could not help saying, that General Darling was the most unpopular Governor he ever knew. There were more prosecutions against the press in his time than under all the former Governors. Sir M. W. RIDLEY was bound in justice to General Darling to state, that he bad seen a docu ment, containing an address, signed by all the Magistrates and respectable inhabitants of the colony, bearing testimony to the propriety with which that officer bad conducted the affairs of the colony. Mr. W. HORTON said, that the unpopularity of the Governor was no proof of his being unworthy to govern. Mr: O'CONNELL thought that though it was not conclusive proof, it was ev id ence o f un fi tness. Mr. J. STEWART said, that the document which had been alluded to by an Hon. Member (Sir M. W-Ridley) was only signed by 125 persons out of a population of 36,000. Mr. HUME wished to know whether the Govern ment meant to take any step with respect to the cl.arges brought against Gen. Darling, affecting even his life, by a l ea di ng b arr i ster at New South Wales. Sir G. MURRAY did not conceive that the Government was bound to recalls Governor on any imputation thrown out by an individual, unless founded in strong matter. After a few more observations, the petition was ordered to lie on the table. Mr. Alderman WOOD ,withdrew his notice of motion respecting the salaries of public officers. Mr. O'CONNELL also withdrew, on account of the lateness of the Session, his notice respecting an address to the Crown on the subject of a code of laws. He regretted that the Hon. Baronet, the Member for Westminster, was prevented from pre senting to-night a petition from a man whose name was his highest eulogy,--he meant Jeremy Ben tham,—offering to lay upon the table of the House a full code of law and procedure, with reasons for every article. The Host. Motnnts then presented petitions from persons in Ireland, praying for radical reform and vote by ballot; and also from the tide-waiters of Dublin transferred to the port of London, com plaining of the diminution which had taken place in their salaries. Mr. LENNARD gave notice, that lie would, if he should have a seat in the next Session of Par liament bring forward a motion respecting the laws relative to patents. Mr. TENNYSON presented a. petition from the merchants of Birminghani, respecting their claims upon the Danish Government. ay an article in the treaty of Kiel, it was agreed that all the se questered property of British merchants which had not been previously confiscated should be restored. As soon as the Danish Government became aware' of that, they confiscated all the sequestered pro perty; in consequence of which the merchants were deprived of it. He thought that the funds at pre- sent in the Treasury, arising out of the droitt of the Crown, ought to be applied to the liquidation of those claims as these consisted of book debts : the petitioners had a still stronger claim upon the Government. The Hon, Member concluded by presenting the petition , which was from the mer chants of Birmingham, regarding their claims upon .the Danish Government. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that this was not the second, or third, or fourth time, that these claims had been already preferred and 'discussed, He denied that any pledge had been given to these claimants by the Government that their claims would be liquidated, and from the documents which he had perused, he was satisfied that they had no claim upon the droits of the Crown. If they sanctioned the principle which was set forth by the present claimants, they would be only open ' ing the door to innumerable other claims of a similar description, Mr. WARBURTON supported the prayer of the petition. Mr. P. THOMSON also supported the peti tion, and expressed a hope that early next Session his Hon. Friend (Mr. Tennyson) would propose the appointment of a Select Committee on the subject. Mr. TRANT likewise spoke in favour of the claims of the petitioners. Mr. HUME spoke to the same effect, and said he trusted his Hon. Friend would, early in the en suing Session, move for a Select Committee to in quire into those claims. Mr. TENNYSON said, this was a case of fla grant injustice towards the petitioners, and he pledged himself to move for a Committee of Inquiry into it next Session. The petition was then ordered to lie on the table. The Beer and Cider Duties' Repeal Bill Was res. ported, anti ordered to be read a third time to-mors. row (this day). The Sessional Addresses were reported,and the re portivas ordered to be received to-morrow (this day). The Exchequer Bills Bill was reported, and or dered to be read a third time to-morrow (this day); and the Warehoused Sugar Bill and Fisheries Acts Continuance Bill were severally read a third time and passed. NEWFOUNDLAND. In reference to the last Bill, Mr. ROBINSON took occasion to observe, that the people of Newfoundland had been greatly dis appointed in consequence of the failure of his mo tto', this season for a select committee to inquire into the state of the fisheries there; he had now to state that they had fitted out a vessel for the express purpose of trying their right ; that vessel they had despatched with orders to fish on the coast concur rently with the rrench, and not to desist from fish ing there unless prevented by force on the part of the Vrenah, in which event the matter would be at once brought before a civil tribunal. LABOURERS' WAGES BILL. Mr. LITTLETON moved the postponement of t h e Committee on this Bill until to•tnorrow (this day.) Mr. lIUME advised the Ron. Member to allow such amendments as might be proposed in the Com mittee to be introduced into the Bill, and then to postpone it till next session, with a view of having it in the melt!; time circulated in the 'manufacturing districts. Mr. LITTLETON was not disposed, on this subject, to take the advice of the lion. Member. Ile merely postponed the Committee till to-morrow, io ordr to consult with parties interested in it. Mr.eROBINSON would not offer the Hon. Gen. thi of P Fe. da all to 4es Alge tior Ba, navA Med &nit um Par' to be War did( cans takes lath tern to 1)3 " MI hero tut* who Dave obtained it legal settlement, and boil their oWn pot—that is, who provide for themselves. These electors are called pot-wallopers.—Times. ... ' -- , tleman any ad v i ce , b ut h e rea ll y thought the Bill raters or STOCICS THIS DAT AT ONE 0 'etocs. a r Rank Stock 317%2t8% South Sea Stock .....»,•.,• should be at on ce p ostpone d t ill next Session. 3 per Cent. Red. 03% 3 Old Annuities ........ .0.. Mr. COURTENAY expressed a similar opinion. 3 per Cent. c0n5..........tex %% New Ditto., ..... ?.,. .. r e ' ' e The Committee was then postponed till to-mot- 3`; pe r lein t :4 o 4 i lifito ßill"l'M 2 '. ltd. 81 10 , Daft , Red. .. scr , 21 bl St a row (this day). 4 per Cent 188... ..... ....18p4 /4 131110 ....••• it .... 'I A ei ft t' r C ent,.,„.„...,..... . I New 3% per Cent... 101 10074 D1tt0........... id. in It The Stage-coach Proprietors Bill, Witnesses (Ire Sank L. Ann. ...........L9% 7.16 Ditto Mall ...... • , lid. fit land) Bill, Half-pay Apprentices Bill, and a Militia- mu° sa years - Bank for Account ..... ..... e pay Bill, were severally reported, and ordered to be oDin:l.3t years ...... "- " " read a third time to-morrow (this day.) The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the House adjourned at twenty minutes past Austrian Bonds .......... .. - Neap01itan...................'' Six o'clock. Brazilian Bonds • .........774%% Peruvian Bonds ...... .....": iti itiI,NIMIIIIIIIIIIIIMININIMININIMIN. ituenos Ayres Bonds ... .... Portuguese Bonds ...... ..,,,, Chili= Bonds ............... - Prussian, Old ..... ..... • •," II PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS. Di r t :C B :l nd (:;O ." ll;lO . );: S UN P D ra. S .: T el !! DftArrYjAuAel7T2tolni:::C7"-1.0" s b Colombian Bonds ...... ....... - Ditto, New ...... ".»..».,, .M Ditto, 1824 panish_.. ....... ................. - Spanish, 3121 ................. HOUSE OF COMMONS. Greek 80nd5............ ........ - I--- 1823 .... ........ " . 1',17, i 'French Rental, bp. c• .‘• it . 8 ORDERS or Tea DAY FOR THIS DAY. Ditto, liai V . . , 1. Bayley's Divorce Bill-Committee, Counsel and Witnesses. austimals. .-1.----. Exchange ...... .„ 4 , , 2. Libel Law Amendment Bill-Third Reading. Mexican Bonds -..—..... 3 per cent......• . r t s , , , , t , 1_ 1 -Attn. 182 S ......... 3. Beer and Cider Duties Repeal Bill-,Third Reading. , Cl 4. Consolidated Fund (1,500,0o01.) 1011-Third Reading, b. Exchequer Bills (13.607,600 i.) Bill-Third Reading. PRICES or SHE THIS DAY AT ONE 0 9 C Lag , 6. Labourers Wages Bill-Committee. Paid. Mg' ' hi V 7. billitia Pay Bill-Third Reading. a.eglo Mex. Kin. Co. (is.. at St. pat.)4loo ... • 8, Witnesses (Ireland) Bill-3 bird Reading. Real del Monte Mining Ca. £4oo Oi .PI 9. Stage Coach Proprietors Bill-Third Reading. Ditto Subscription ( 5 Iti ' 10. Registrar at Madras Bill-Further Consideration of Report. Gaited Mex. Min. Co. ( Thuds}.'„'„)mt 21.nws ,E 39% ___.„..; tc Nancy* OF MOTIONS FOR THIS DAY. JULY fi f, 1 ,, I. Mr. Maxwell-To refer Parochial Register (Scotland) Bill to PRICKS or IRISH STOCES, DUBL IN, _ lto . ii a Select Committee. Bank Stock,- ..... ........ MOt4 f St. Patrick Insur. (Per ., , ~ 2. Mr. Robinson-In the Committee on the Labourers Wages Consols, Seer cent. ...... 91 i Royal Irish Ditto .....:::„ 1 1 Bill, to move to leave out Clause compelling evidence i Gov. Stock, 3% per cent. 99 National pyt0..............: . , also, Clause exempting persons engaged in husbandry'. Ditto, New ............... 99 , ;Patriotic Ditto. .... .....«• "' ..,,,,ti ;3. Mr. Benett-In the Committee on Labourers Wages kill, to 4 per Cent...." .... .... ..... 100 ( Provincial Ditt k o " ........ ..... exempt all Agricultural Labourers from the operation of Gov. Deb. 3% percent.... 93% Provincial .... ".. ~.._. - , ti l the Bill. Royal (. anal Stock ....... --, Royal Irish 5une...... ... 0.. , . 4. Mr. Robert Gordon-In the Committee on Labourers Wages Grand Canal Stock 'lmperial Mine.... ! ... .: . • ~. r , , , 1 Mining Co. of Ireland . 0 Bill, to move to con fi ne the operations of the Bill to the City Deb. 4 per cent Counties of Staftbrd and Warwick. Ballast Mike Deb. 4p. c 94 Commercial BWldiop a. - " ----- ,k I p NOTICES arrest YESTERDAY. MAILS. ti I. Mr. Leonard-Motio n on th e L aws relating to Patents on Arrived. Due. A rr i v ed. r Inventions. Next Session.) «+ ..0 America.. ... 0 0 Hamburg ......"'"a I'.. 2. ... ........ 0 0 Holland ......... .... 0 i p 2. Mr. Tennyson-Select Committee on Danish Claims.. (Next 0 Buenos 0 Brazil ~ „ y Aes 0 0 Jamaica ......... ..... I Session.) O Carthagena 0 0 Leeward Islands .. t , . t 1 I Dublin."... ...... FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE. I F1andert......... 1 France..„....„ 0 0 Sweden ........... , O (Wernstykieniey 0 1 Waterford •.•• , b FRENCH PAPERS. AFRICAN EXPEDITION. (Telegraphic despatcher.) Idorn iin i i ng...so w - - - - i t , : 111 M his Excellency th e Mi n i s t er o f M ar i ne and Colonies by (From the Gazette d e F rance .) ~ 4, 4 l The telegraphic despatch, add resse d on t h e est i ' o f June the Of 1 AmTinEußtesATaaLerott4n.olNEvnenntionag.i..lTo.o m At in o u ß te l i e, t; , t ...A . . T .T. L hel%. rt -eu C l r - os ag , e or ne w J h er o s s ey up , pl w i t e l s i "The cpp !y a S l " " Adiniral Duperre, had n o t arr i ve d i n i ts complete state for a letter. when it was sent to the Moniteur to be publish e d. W e -- '' y t i rive it now entire:— ek ` " Sint-Fitaaucu, Jules 28 —The v a ng uar d o f t h e t . 1t e 3 , irmy is engaged with the enem y, w h o h ave fortified their ill it ?- r I . .161 AO midden in advance of the Castle of th e E mperor, the at.• 4 --- lick upon which appears lik e ly t o b e ma d e spee di ly. --- o f " The Commander-in-Chief has no t sen t me ,his de- ___ ea "TOULON, JULY 23. ' THE MARITIME ?EXPECT OF T O UL ON TO HIS EXCEL* LENCY THE MINI STER OF MARINE AND COLONIES. FRIDALEVENING, JULY 9, 38 v 230 : sititioo " The despatch transcribed below watt. brought me by Th e Bishop of LONDON made his b( al•IP he Thetis frigate, which left Sidi-Ferruch on the 28th ,f June , and arrived here ' to-day. I have nut for my own much in Ill ii • mart any official news ; but I have learnt by a private t or- in s t. Paul's Cathedral. There is lli 'OO °in espondenre that the army ha. taken up a position within that deserves praise ; and some p 1 , i , re Charge to the Clergy of his diocese yes° T, ether less than a league of Algiers, quite close to the Fort Charge ved• t if the Emperor. of it that cannot be too highly appro . ti t "CAMP OF SIDI KHALEF, JUNE 25. fir m (From the lifesaver des Chambres of Tuesday.) „ I have been enabled to obtain the following particu-the Right Rev. is, rather unusual ithr are relative .to the situation of the Dey and his troops at 1 el klgiere. They were furnished to me by an old Alamo- lucubrations—consistent in its c haracter. ~ ~ i 4tir uke, one of the interpreters attached to the army, who li tt l e h arm le ss t wa ddle about a " CASS lit but temperate, livith conciliatory and--; re h l ::: , .31 , 1 rules Lad an opportunity of conversing with some wounded a ru:kTs,hperDirenyie,tbse,liaenvdingAtrhabast twhehotecmopmeesttoofotuhre c l a 6 m th p, had re- 110 BR who appear ready to propose oilier .wl ring upon our good faith. alit! g oiet $ whit it P f ispersed our fl eet, and that disasters similar to those Ch I than those by will rr, ment of the urc 1, 0 P ebich had been experienced by former European • o xpeditions would prevent us from advancing, gave °triers iteti / ir his troops to march upon us, and that the Christians recommend et present r e g and regulations, for the guidance [mould be driven back to the sea. The troops which were • nly the ti bout to advance received the blessing of the Mufti of the pace with the intellectual advances of , NI itywith much pomp and ceremony. h 1 01° h u is tate c t e ' r i gy his Lordship goes to e u r t a le b a l v e o i u m r p :: , : I r y This advice, thoug o f idetesteerr,tioinn wofhsiecvherlaiel in which they live. h 7 ef l o b f ra t lt he int ar ß m a y s , h i A d g n ar n , t h re is tu so ru n t i-in ninftneranthdeer;oinu; what tardy, is yet of consid erable too' f ib i e te o l f a t t h i e l, De w i h i o i w h ich n h s e ; a t t m tr t ib h u e te w d r t o a te t h a e xpretsed his confidence that be should be able to repair Q . • c hamp i on ofthe Church , con ° fal wn Quixotic me check he bad received. ileo vi " The Turks were much irritated at seeing nearly have an immediate effect. We have little ft co and proceeding from a zealous, not to sad' be be ,000 of their comrades wounded, half of whom had been urribly mutilated either by the belle or shells. A divan i n deed,• that it will occasion a n extraord in4 ' rill 'as immediately h e ld i n th e c i ta d el, where the Day re. sensation among Clergymen of all ranks ar i l„, (It oil a des, and it was resolved t o di spute every inch of ground store they should shut th emse l ves up i n the city. ley ordered several chiefs of th e B e d ou i ns, w h o were eThe grees. So far from k eep i ng pac e with the i .r v at tin whether in inte ll ecthe Churl co: wed or suspected of treachery, t o b e b e h ea d ed. d, o , " The city Is at present in a t ranqu il state; but such hi t h erto h as been nearly a century lo class of the corrin ires to talk of what is assin behind l' i ti r C , the extreme exasperation of th e T ur k s, t h at no one While every other clni t l I set pg. The Christians have lei 01 Its I been confined, but it is tho ug ht th ey w ill not be put b een reaping benefit from the general ar e death. The Turks say that if the walls of the city are n knowledge, the Clergy alone have bee 1, !greyed, they will embark in their fleet, and retire to the „,,„jott: , !trees of Bugia, where there is a good pert, and a place stand-still. They have set their faces r.-- P) bich they assert to be impregnable, situated about forty 'goes to the east of Algiers. (From the Conatitationnel.) against any innovation , on the score of l,l,hwer: lit l ) ,: ' E (. 1 1 :: as against an enemy who had vowed r " The views of Great Britain will be, in respect to the lgerine expedition, as, well as all, other points, in opposi. the knife" against them. They have thr°vlBl:ll ; 'j i " I) in to those of France. The question it no longer to know ant e o hat England wishes to do, but what she can do. The ors tne walls of circumvallation round them, 1 i ' li e ,ff ilearic Islands, about half-way between France and to their fancied foe, " Thus far shalt thou c lou and no further." friesa—two aigeuisetkapplliangeCofrrsoitena to-1 an the d ocean Sicil y -.-steamintthe ..), ter: editerranean, and from the Mediterranean into the ocean, sifwwsuard svneorelotnogebrrebeak . means of the canal of the Pyrenees, would secure our mmunication on one side with Algiers and on the other of the times, that a Bishop of Loxpor ..-.0 ' , l l inoufatvobuyrseoaf, ourtbe that Bishop Dr. BLOMPIELD -••• ! should b e , mil ~a ti o t , deb erases. The western islands of the Mediterranean would first to batter down these walls of circumm i F We conceive it then to be an important e `ii i Pal i a th ne T es un o is f Tanis; ' and, , „rp• Yoe. d whose steam-boats could at any time, and against every -in the piers of a vast bridge thrown over its breadth, lid, re fi x the chains momentarily broken by the great and bid the enemy enter. Had the attar r ot , 5 ,',1 ~ mi 8 melt) of the English navy." AO ' dial There are now 276 deputies whose elections are known. (From the Journal des Debuts.) v o o n t e er ; a l f 2 o s r t b o e f oi , a ceeded from some adventurous heterodox C ° 15 ; we should not have wondered at it—but P , 1 gilerle;b , six;unknown Mini steri a l 99 ; )arl, m , : e t n h d e m c o u pe opposition tio L n or should proceed officially, anti with all the I t , P , hot, , " T The Universel, a Ministerial Journal, contain!) a long sacred ceremony, from a big n ' e t j e 221 are already re-elected ; 10 have failed. the 614 ' ' :icle headed France has not spoken, which a letterthis Bishop should be Bishop; that cloo Clergyto adapt themselves mmpanying the express says has made some sensation at advise his go er spat riii. .....m .se ssemessemerramos ene . to the changed complexion of the times ; ~. c i sus; ESSEX ELEcrioN.—Liberal principles seem order that they may adequately ful fi l the tae ' { t ° out be gaining ground d a ily i n t hi s county, as Mr. Lew; improvement with regar d to t h e i r flocks, t'ob4,l 1 0' ELLESLEY, who avows himself as the independent can- c p i late, has met with a most flattering reception in his by iraproving thernselves—that an Ultra -oTh° wars; at Chelmsford and Braintree the horses were Protestant Bishop should recommend all 1 1 that . 9 itlt 1.,a, ten from his carriage, and on his entrance into the • ter place he was met hy about 200 people headed by a con r flail ad of music; the road was strewed with laurel, the (notwithstanding it is nothing but what I J ~(1,, and reasonable, and should have been re dna ndows were crowded, every face beaming with joy and Icome. In his address to the people he proclaimed the mended fifty years since) does, we cOll O9l °' trot lependence of his principles, and Ins intention to go into • • • l ess o f .* than /1 f ia t mination in us emotions not less oi sin-Luise i that rlianlent unshackled by party feelings, and with a de- anti mination to support those measures which should appear ITU * ration. ~ o b. is m him best ealculated to promote the public good, whether ' Still more satisfactory are his Lordshil' s of wit] 7 emanated from the Minister or not. ' n il CLARE ELECTION. —We publish the fol- servations on the subject of pluralitial• o , „ I t arm ring as we received it from a Clare correspondent:— Ur. O'CoNNittA authorised Mr. STEELE to apply to this disgrace to the Church ;lie , proirrt o „,z...m n 4 0, mw....., to know if he would insist on the he would !rise Mr. O'Contrittr , gave him, not to stand for A' Oil the it Lie tre at this election, and Major WNAMARA replied, aCO i , _, , an unhesitating dislike. g , T It would be Well,; artil it if future events required It, in. lie observer, for the Church if , bot, ""e' ton the fulfilment of the engagement. Upon bout to ' takt , .2. The were impose upon persons a iv irf I na a Mr. STEELE wrote a letter to Major BINAUARA, orders, that they should be limited to 00 • „I r diati „. ring, he was authorised by Mr. O'Costromr. to resign • . 1 c 3o !whi! I pretensions to Clue on the present occasion ," We are o i ly, except in some special an d pecu liar I ~,„ imt cree ormed that a meeting held yesterday, in Drogheda, were What 1 . Ipecu l iar may "" I f t le specie and cases m , torn animous in their determination to elect Mr. O'CONNELLfor O mad that town. The ablest and most distinguished public can justify a Clergyman in receiving fires ' ~ pi,the in in Ireland cannot, surely, at a general election , mutt ties which it is next to impossible r° r half Ott in Parlianaent.—Dublin Morning _Register. 1 , part Yesterday there were several cases of brawls and to perfortn—unless, indeed, like Sir 110' r oan 1" • quilts, bur only one of them was worth notice. A very ' OllO in.( Roacti s he can be in two places at f [gigantic personage was convicted, on his own codes- bir d, , Os tindi 1 4 of striking and maltreating his wife. As the wife we are altogether at a loss to understand- cm: a fully as much under, as the man was above, the cam- a trap en and e a notion of pluralities is a very simp e 11101 et site, the parties presented a curious contrast at the r. The Magistrates, while commuting on the crimi- L : puatic one. We conceive that they d° b, and unmanly nature of the offence, ordered the bus- . , chore P ad to observe the great difference in vise and strength injury to the characterand interests of t he on' , th:it *sea him and his wife. The defender instantly re• by f •h* enemies • h • lles s we"P 'h 'l' urine ing its with resit, l i t ow , ad, " thong)* she is very small, she has a tongue seven 11 ° t long, and she is always drunk." A s h e h a d b een f or- o f attac k ag N ainst it, than all the heteto de% fr , t u t,.. sly convicted of th e same o ff ence, h e was or d ere d to fi nd 8' 1 1 0 i • urity to keep th e peace towar d s his wife.---Scotsman . • 1 gs that have ever yet been pubhslutd. A correspondent a sk s u s th e mean i ng o f t h e comprehensive volume of argument aga inst or imp oc , rd pot•walioper. Wallop is an old Engli s h word, Protestant Establishment is comprised i n the i' - f nifying to boil (by th e way , i t i s th e surname of a noble relation • tor Lily, INATIMOOTIt, which has be t more than once in simple fact, that a few days since a re* . : water :) and in a few Cornish and Devonshire y a of ' " ion 'ought the elective franchise is given to all the inhabi- the DERESFORDS t, • died in the possess . e i, I el, I COPY is who have obtained a legal settlement, and boil their lass than nine wings, which he hat il l a rag n pot—that is, who provide for themselves. These droger :tors are called pot-wallopors.—Tim es „ God knows how long I Talk of the _ a d .14111111111