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IMPERIAL p4RLJAMFNT.. . . . HOUSE OF LORDS, FEBRUARY 22. On the Loan CHANCELLOR. taking his seat pa; shei Woolsack, at five o'clock, -.there were scarcely a -doierti Peers pfefient. • .• A RIGHT Ray. PRELATE presented a petition for the batter observance of the Sabbath. The Earl of RODEN presented petitions front C Ivan, Cupar in Fife, Kirkcudbright, and the Borough of An strother, for the immediate abolition of slavery. Lord SUFFIELD presented petitions from Stretford in Lancashire, and from Perth, praying for the in:mediate abolition of slavery. ; NoRLE Loan presented several petitions from Far ,),en, Great Bnwding, in the neighbourhood of Market Harborough, and other places in Northamptonshire, pray ing for the immediate abolition of slavery. Lord SALTOUN presented a petition from Inverness, praying for the better observance of the Sabbath. Mr. BERNAL, and other Ilemhers of the House of Commons, brought up the report of the Committee upon the hotter observance of the Lord's Day. DISTURBANCES SUPPRESSION (IRELAND) BILL. Earl GREY moved the order of the day for the third re ading of this Bill. Lord TEYNHAM could not let the present opportunity pass without expressing his decided disapprobation of the Bill. In his opinion nothing could conduce so much to the disunion of the two countries as. this Bill, which in his humble judgment must lead to such a result. It was a measure which - be deeply - deplored, the mote espe cially- as it w7s brought fetward by Ministers—athe most honest of any that had filled their places for a long time ; and he could only suppose they were acting under a very strong delusion. If Noble Lords would look at the late returns, made by the Chief Constables of Ireland, they would see that the state of society in that country was progressively improving. The only causes of daturbanee now in that country, were the collection of tithes and Church cess_(Hear, hear) —and be thanked his God that, by a Bill lately introduced into the other House of Parliament,that latter source of dissatisfaction was likely to be done away with. Many Not Lords in that House might remember a similar discussion to the present, relative to the affairs of America. They might also recollect, that even the eloquence of a Chatham was at that time disregarded. When he took that into consideration, he could not expect that any thing which fell from such an. humble in. dividual as he was would have any effect ; hot still, when such a fatal measure was brought forward, he could not help stating to the House how deeply he deplored that such measures had ever been brought forward, and more especially by the present Ministry. Oil former occasions when the. Constitution had been sus pended, documents had been laid before the House; but in this case, so far from that precedent having been followed, their Lordships had not even a petition before them, salting the necessity for such a measure. What was the case made out by the Noble Earl ? Why, that there had been collision be tween the populace and the police ; but would anyone say that the constitutional law in England should be sus pended, beciuse there had been a collision between the smugglers arid the preventive men in Kent ? In many of those collisions, upwards of 400 people had been engaged, and would soy one say that was not as much a civil war as the which wee now said to rage in Ireland? He knew that it was almost useless to speak against this 13e1, supported as it was, but he nevertheless felt it to he his (ay to raise his voice against a measure, tie consequence of which he so touch dreadeee (Cries of " Hear, hear.") If they turned to history, they would find that violent and arbitrary measures had never succeeded iu obtaining their objet. There was one omissi , n in the Bill, to which he would pit ticularly call the attention of the House. No provision was made in the event ot a dissoquien ot Parliament, as to what the powers of the Lord Lieutenant should be. Was he still to have the power of suppressing the voice of elec ors ? Was he, by preclemation tie atop contested elections and make the elec,ors vote, , like slaves, for whomsoever he pleased? Another point he thought their Lordships'ought to consider, before they left the House, was, the matinee in which a person might be conveyed from one place to another, and at length be entirely lost sight of by his friends.— (Hear, hear.) The state of Ireland put him very attach :n mold of the description given by the historian, of the Roman Empite in the them of Tiberius. Under that tyrant the world was one vast prison: No bole., bars, or dungeons, were.wanted to secure hie enemies, for they could riot e•cepe from him go where they might. The Earl of WESTMORELAND thought it but re spectful to his Majesty's Ministers, to make a few obser vations upon giving them his support on this occasion. After the able exposition of the Noble Earl (Grey) the other night no men could question the necessity of the crown being invested with fresh powers to carry the law into effect. lie thought, too, that those who took upon themselves the responsibility of passing such a measure, ought to have been left to frame it as they pleased, and he almost wished that it could have passed without observa tion. He thought the thanks of all classes of the com munity, but more especially of the poor deluded people of Ireland, were tine to his Majesty's Ministers for the firm and decided manner in which they hail brought this subjeilt forward. For his own part, be gave them his sincere thanks, and thought lie might be permitted to give them also in the name of the Noble Gentlemen, his colleagues, with whom he had acted during the late reigns, fords Sitimouth arid Liverpool, the Duke of Portland arid Mr. Pitt, who, when placed in circumstances of the like nature, had also stepped forward and fearlessly done their duty, by asking for powers beyond the fie thought a great responsibility rested upon the Noble Earl (Grey) for his having, in time of peace, brought Ireland to the state in which it now was. The present, however, was not a time to bring for ward charges against the Noble Earl, or to investigate them, but to strengthen the bands of the executive power for the restoretien of tranquillity, and he should therefore vote for the third reading of the Bill. The Bill was then read a third time, and, vet hal amendments having been made, was paned, and ordered to he taken down to the Commons. CHANGE OF VENUE BILL. Earl GREY rose to move the second reading of the Bill lie had last night presented to their Lordships to change the venue in certain cases in Ireland. This Bill rested upon the same grounds as that which had just been passed, viz., the disturbed state of Ireland, and the.inadequacy of the law in its present state to provide for the security and good government of Ireland. All such measures as this must rest upon the necessity of the case.—(Hear, hear.) Ile should be ready to concur with the Noble Lord who made so fervent and eloquent a speech against this Bill, if he could show that it was not neces sary. Nothing could justify such a Bill as the present, aav more than such a Bill as that just passed, but absolute necessity, and on that ground it was, and that ground only, he rested the proposed measure. With respect to what had fallen from the Noble Earl who spoke last, he would not be tempted, by what was very like a taunt, to recur to past transactions, but would merely observe, that circumstances might exist which night make a Noble Lord unwilling to agree to such a measure as that just past at one time, whilst at another time be might think it his duty to oppose it. He must add, however, that he bad never executed a more painful duty than that which was now imposed upon him by the necessity arising out of the state of Ireland. This Bill was intended to give power to change the venue to the neighbouring county, or to Dublin. The history of Ireland, unfortunately furnished them with avariy pre zedents for a Bill like this. The eleventh and twelfth of George the Third, referred to all the Acts upon the subject, and it was singular that at that time precisely t he same species of offences were enumerated, as the reasons fur those Acts, as now prevailed, viz., at tacking houses for arms, the infliction of severe bodily punishment upon those who resister; the daring violations of the law, the threats to compel the relitiquislutient of leases, and above all, ffenees arising out of tithes. in the 6th section of the Act, the intimidation of jurors was referred to as rendering necessary the change of the venue.---( Hear, hear.) In that Act, the venue could be only changed to Dublin, whereas, in the Bill before the Hou se , i t m i g h t b e c h ange d if p rac ti ca bl e t o th e ad joining county. Another improvement in this Bill upon the former enactment, was, that the venue cull only be changed by the Court of King's Bench at the instance of the Attorney-G,heral, or of t h e person accused.—( Hear, hear, hear.) With nspevt to the duration of t 4 e Bill, it was limited to the same period as that which had just passed the it Lordships' House. These being the pr i nc i pa l provls ons ot the measures he would not trouble the House any forth r ; but begged to cooclude by moving that it be now read it s: cued tune. The Earl of WICKLOW bad 11 ,, p, , d that the N ells Earl would have consuued the Law Officers of the Clown in lielatol, as to the propriety ot eat miitig the character of the Bill. He ti ust d that the Noble Lord would con sider his suggestion, otherwise he (the E,rl of Wicklow) would move that it be extended to five years. Earl GREY en ert itied little doubt that it might he advantageously extended for a long- r period, although at. present he thought it wutai 1) looter to limit its duration to the period he bad named, and to brin6 it cater the eod sideration of the House next session, by b(vhi,t, time tlt,ey would have the experience of itsoperation. Lord ELL ENBOROUGH did not rise to offer any opinion upon, the duration of the Bill, hut merely to offer observati on en a point that appeared to be ape :A to by both tidy sof the House. Both sides seemed to wish that this restrictive measure should be removed, as soon tl , e :necessity for its existence should cease.— ( Hear, hear, hear.) Upon that point he begged to cal their attention to the words of Lord Bacon,— " Nothing so destroys authority as all untimely and un -4 gnat change of powers, either pressed too far, or relaxed too much." He thought as much injury would occur by taking off coercive measures too soon as by beginning them too late. He traced in the conduct of all previous Govern ments, and be saw, perhaps, in the conduct of the pre sent Ministers, that fatal consequence, that Ireland bad peen, and was still, placed in a state of alternation be tween permitted and unpunished lawlessness, and crime punished too far. He was satisfied that much of the crime in Iceland had grown out of that very cause, and from the very fee.ing that lawlessness had been permitted for a long ti me , sad when at last it was punished, it was punished with severity. Lord WYNFORD was cf opinion that it would be highly beneficial if a permanent measure was introduced into England and Ireland, giving the power to Judges to change the venue in any case they thought fit. Some means ought also to be adopted, in order to prevent the public money being wasted in the shape of costs of witnesses, &e., at the same time every opportu nity should be given to prisoners to prove their innocence. Earl GREY,said the Bill already provided for that oh jt•ct. Although he did not wish at present to extend the ;duration of the Bill, it was merely because he was de sirous that time should be given for consideration, and to ;have some experience of its operation. The LORD CHANCELLOR agreed with his Noble iEriend (Earl grey), that it would not be advisable i e. ithout experience, to make this Bill permanent. He agreed with the Noble Earl (Wicklow) in many of his sentiments; but this Bill, along with the other measure i with respect to Ireland, set out upon the assumption that it !Was only the extraordinary eta e in which Ireland was, that could have rendered the bringing forward of the atieastires ses•etsary. The sooner that these Bills could !he repealed, the more gratifying it would be to the whole country, and to none more so than to those !who had introduced them upon their own responsibility— Ibis Majesty's Ministers. They were of all men the most adverse to at all trenching upon the Constitution or the ;rights of the people. They were afflicted, but the necessity Iliad arisen, and they had no choice, but of all others they 'would he the most anxious to see such a state of affairs 'arrive when with safety they could be repealed. Earl WICKLOW explained. • The Earl el CLONCURRY said he expected the Jury Bill introduced into the other House would do away with any necessity for the permanency of this measure, other wise he would have been most anxious that, even at this time, it should be so established. The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to Ire committed on Tuesday. The House then adjourned till Monay, ten o'clock. HOUSE OF COMAIONS, FZl3liti4RT 22. The SPEAKER took the chair shortly h, fort tour o'clock. Mr. Holmes presented the Report of the Commis sioners of the Port of Arundel. The SPEAKER informed the House that Win. 13!ount, •EN , who had presented a petition against the return for the borough of Stafford, bad nor entered into his recog. • riszances. The order, therefore, for taking the petition into consideration, was discharged. Mr. GROTE presented a petition from certain inha hitants of the city of London, !or leave to tiring in a Bill to make an Arcade from Bartholon.ew.lane to London- WA I.—Referred to a Committee. On Mr. BENETT bringing up the report on an En. closure Bill, ielating to a district in Wiltshire, Mr. POTTER moved, as an amendment, tbat no Ma 6SttatP should have the power to stop up any footpath without the consent of the rojotity of the inhabitants of 'he parish in rtstry as.en.bled. The Hon. Member called the attention of the House particularly t, a provision in the 8.11, giving power to two Magistrates to stop up any footpath. . _ _ BENETT thought it exceedingly inconvenient for parties to press 'his clause on a private Bill, as at the pe• tiod when the General Turnpike Act was brought before the House it might be considered. Mr. D. W. HARVEY thought that the nature of the pro used clause ought to insure it a cordial reveption in the House. A most arbitrary power, if not corrected, was to be given by this Bib, to two Magistrates, to curt Ail the enjoyments of the poor, by stopping up tb it walks. There was tio much power already given, and he tru s ted the House would put an end to it. Mr. WARBURTON would advise his Hon. Friend (the Member for Wigan) to withdraw the clause,. if the Hon. Member for Wiltshire would undertake to insert it in the General Turnpike. Act. Mr. CORBETT protested against the passing of the Bill with that clause in it ; for the Hon. Member for Wiltshire well knew that that clause gave a new power to the Magistrates. By the General Turnpike A. t, the lath George IL, power was only given to two Magi strates to stop up footpaths where a better and shorter road was found. As to the expense of the parties he did lint care, for he thought the introduction of such a clause gave a very dangerous power to the Magistrates. Mr. O'CONNELL supported the motion of the Hon. Member for Wigan. Lord G. SOMERSET would give his support to the 11:11, but as to the general principle involved in the clause alluded to, he would he prepared to discuss it when the question was brought forward. After some further remarks, Mr. POTTER withdrew his motion, and the Bill was ! ordered to he engrossed. Mr. HODGES moved for leave to bring in a Bill for improving, paving, and lighting the town of Gravesend, in the county of Kent. Sir J. ONVEN presented a petition relative to the Lon. don and Greenwich railway.—Referred to a Committee to report thereon to ti.e House. _ • Mr. BRODIE presented a petition from Salisbury, praying for the better observance of the Lord's Day. Mr. SUA\V presented three petitions to the tattoo effect from the minister and members of the H Scotch Church, St. Mary's Abbey, Dublin, from the in habitants of Hampstead, in the county of Middlesex, and from certain householders in the borough of high and low Harrogate. General PALMER presented a petition from the house holders. of Bath for a repeal of the house ami window tax. Mr.' O'CONNELL presented a petition from the cor poration of chandlers and soapboilers of the city of Dublin, complaining of the effect of the present state of drawbacks. Their trade, in consequence of the state of duty on soap in England was al most annihilated. They prayed that some measure might be introduced for the purpose of giving them relief, and for that purpose suggested that the tax on soap should be entirely repealed. Lord ALTHORP said it was certainly true that at present the Irish soapboilers were much injured by the ,state of the drawbaCks. There were three modes by which that could be esmedied—one was that suggested by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman of taking off the duty altogether; another by altering the amount of the drawback, and another, instead of taking off all the tax in Ireland to take off half the tax in England. He (Lord Altborp) hoped soon to bring forward a measure which would remedy the gi ievance satisfactorily. Sir FRANCIS BURDETT was understood to say that he thought a reduction of the duty complained of wou!d benefit the consumers, but that he did not see how it could be very advantageous to the manufacturers. Mr. O'CONNELL said that at present ihe consumers ob 'tinned it che.iper than they ought, through gross fraud,and a system that produced the total ruin of the Irish manufactu iers. Whaiever alteration the Noble Lord might introduce, he hoped it would tre for the abolition of Excise officeis. His constituents were decidedly against allowing Excise fficers to come into their premises at all ; and he usted that soon they would be chased from every manu factureets door ; their appearance checked industry, and the ingenuity of the country.—The Fetition was ordered to lie on the table. Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from a person confined in the Sheriffs' Court, in Dublin, praying for the abolition of the Irish law of arrest. The Honourable and Learned Member complained that the law of arrest was productive of the greatest evil throughout Ireland. No two thieves could play into each other's hands more successfully than persons might act under this law. There w, re schedules filed in the Insol vent Court in Ireland with debts amounting to two mil of money ac ually due, and upon the whole nut even one shilling in the pound had peen promised. Mr. RICHARDS considered the in.o:vent laws, not only in Ireland bit' in England, as productive of great grievance, and requiring anxious revision. Many thou sands of pounds were due upon the schedu!es in the In-olvent Courts in Eng , and—(Hear, hear)—upon which one farthing has not been pain.--(Hear.) Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from an indi vidual in Leominster, praying that the Hotise of Commons ,would not permit his Majesty's Ministers to pass any mea sure for the purpose of es4tblisbing arbitrary, tuibtary, and . deson.'c pnwe! in Ireland. The Learned Member would t ke that opportunity of merely stating his heartfelt satisfac tion that he had received a great many letters from various p irts of Britain, from individuals pledging themselves to use th,ir influence against Parliament passing any measure whereby to subvert the Constitution, and reestablish in its place military and despotic law in Ireland.—(Loud cheers.) Mr. H. GBATTAN condemned the interference of the police and soldiery upon those occasions. Mr. STANLEY, after having read the petition respect ing Lord Grey's Bill, remarked that the Honourable and learned Gentlemen had forgotten to state one portion of its prayer. It was the petition of a single individual, and atter praying that arbitrary, military, and despotic power might not be established in Ireland, it went on to be .s,ech the House to repeal all Acts enforcing the payment of moneys under the pretence of supporting Christi anity.—(Laughter.) Mr. O'CONNELL had . avoided alluding to this por tion of the prayer, from the circumstance of its having been so fr!quently before the House. He, however, en tirely concurred in it—it had been the principle of his political life. He thought that all Churches ought to be supported by voluntary contributions, as in America, and in Ireland—where the Catholic Church, with a greater hierarchy, and a far greater number of officiating clergy. men than the Church of England, was supported, wi•h out one compulsory right, by the voluntary contributions of the faithful. And better was it thus supported than by money extorted from the people of a different creed, nomi nally to support Christianity, but in reality to maintain an unjust domination, and to give good places to the a:is tocracy and their connections. An HON. MEMBER observed, that if petitions from in dividuals were to be sought for on the other side, thou sands might be produced petitioning the House to protect the peaceable and loyal inhabitants of Ireland, and to put an end to the proceedings of mischievous agitators who embroiled the country to promote their own sordid and selfi:h views. M. O'CONNELL—Does the Hon. Gentleman allude to me? The HON. MFmnEte alluded to all persons who dis turbed the country for their own paltry and selfish ends. Mr. O'CONNELL—I wi►l answer more distinctly for the Hon. Member. He does not allude to me. Mr. FRENCH took the opportunity of stating that the H- n. Member's (Me. Richards') celebrated story was, he had ascertained, totally unfounded in fact.—(Laughter.) Mr. RICHARDS was glad that any one of the atro cities related of the present state of Ireland was false (Continued laughter.) He obs,rved that there was a spirit of hypercriticism in the House, for which he had a 'sovereign contempt.—(Continued laughter.) He had told the story as he heard it, and as an illustration of his argu ment; and even if it were not true his argument was not the worse.—(Laughter.) Mr. RUTHVEN thought it would have been more 'manly for the Hon. Member near him to have designated the agitation he meant, than to have d. alt in insinua;ions. He hoped the Right Hon. Secrett-iry for Ireiind would interfere iu the case of Mr. Walsh, and have him set at liberty. Mr. FITZSIMON presented a petition from the Queen's County, praying for the total abolition of tithes, and of the vestry cess. NEGRO SLAVERY. Sir T. B. LENNIARD prevented a petition from Rom fora, praying for the abo!ition of negro slavery. Mr. T. B. LENNARD (Mahlon) supported the petition. ASSESSED TAXES. Mr. GORING (Shoreham) presented a petition from the inhabitants of the town of Worthing for the abili-h -nlg of the inhabited house dwy and window taxes. The Hon. Member begged to observe that lie heartily ciin curred in the prayer of the petition, which was nume musty signed by respectable housekeepers. He stat-d that he sincerely hoped his Majesty's Ministers would r. peal those duties which ssed so heavily upon the middle class, and which were levied and coll,c eri most inequitably. If his Msjesty's Ministers wished to re tain the confluence of the cruniry they must adopt . and continue alone such taxes as wr.re founded on just and impartial principles.—(Hear, hear.) He had 'no wish to embarrass his M ijesty's Ministers, hut be thought they must be prep ired to repeal these duties.— (Hear, hear.) When be found the Right Hon. Secrelary at War had, so long ago as 1822. advocated th• Lame di ire repeal of these taxes, and lad, in a most eloquent speech, proved these always to hate been con•idered a• war taxes, not only by Mr. Fox and Mr. Wyndham, hat also by Mr. Pitt. and when he found the Right Hi•n. S.- cretary at War saying in that speech—" I have before told you to what am•.unt I Think we have a r ght to diminish 'taxation. If you have no surplus, reduce your exaelidi ture. That there are means of so doing no one can doubt, hut the particular mode rated nut be clown by me, orb. :any one; that onus lies upon you. You have no net to your large establishments—it is ridiculous to call them ne cessary—they cannot be necessary if the peopie cannot af ford to pay for 'them." The Hon. Member said that tin distressed people of England called upon the Right Hon. Secretary to enforce those opinions, and he trusted that his Right Hon. Colleagues would bend to his powerful el , quence. ( Hear, he Ir.) Sir C. M. BURRELL supported the petition. PACIFICATION OF IRELAND BILL. The Sergeant at Arms announced a message from the Lords. The SPEAKER then, in the usual manner, pot the .question that the messengers be called in, when two Mas.. ters in Chancery entered, accompanied by the Sergeant at Arms, and delivered to the Clerk the Bill, which was given by the Clerk to the Speaker, who announced that their Lordships hid e asstd a Bill, entitled " An Act for the ', more effectual Suppression of Disturbances and Dangerous Associations in Ireland." Lord ALTHORP said it had been represented to him that before the Bill was read a first time it would be con• renient to have it printed. With that request Ire found it his duty to comply ; and he therefore moved that the Bill he printed, and read a first time on Wednesday next. Mr. HUME wished to know when the remedial mea sores would be brought forward. lie hoped at least the House would not pass this Bill till they had some positive assurances that coincident remedial measures would be brought forward, to keep pace with this coercive Bill. Lord ALTHORP said the Church Reform Bill should be introduced by the end of next week, and the Grand Jury Bill would be brought forward by the middle of the week—(Hear, hear)—but still he must leave it to the House to decide on the question suggested by the lion. Member for Middlesex, whether there were sufficient grounds for confidence to be placed in the sincerity of Mi nisters' expressed intentions in that respect. Mr. O'CONNELL said the Ministers might have the power to bring in measures to that House, yet they could not be so certain that such measures would pass the other House. Anything of a conciliatory nature towards Ireland, no doubt, would meet with touch oppositiou elsewhere, but any thing of a malignant and oppressive kind would no doubt find a warm reception.—(Cries of " Hear, hear," and " Order, order.") With respect to the Grand Jury Bill, Ire had understood the Noble Lord opposite that he would bring it in this week. • Lord ALTHORP observed that he should next week. Mr. O'CONNELL had cert lin!) , understood him to say ;this week, but, from what the Noble Lord now says, he ,supposed he must be mistaken. He could not allow this despotic Bill to enter that House without stating that on Wednesday he would move a call of the House, and that lie would repeat that call from day to day while that Bill was under discussion. How could lie apologize to his constituents for allowing this Bill to he even men tioned without opposing it? There was a time when the madness of slavery was cheered in that House—he felt the madness of slavery corning upon him, and therefore be could say no more at present. Mr. STANLEY would say a few words upon the sup posed connection of the two measures introduced by his Majosty's Ministers. If there had been a little more et/Adel - ice in his Majesty's Ministers, instead of exciting violent passions in opposition to the Government, and in raising a feeling that it was not their intention to do what they had always professed, he would venture to eay that they would have fund his Majesty's Ministers had always acted upon the principle, and would have been ready still to act upon it, or giving their attention to real griev ances. So anxious had his Majesty's Ministers been to prove both to the House and die country, that they were net i•utting forth mere professions, that they had taken the earliest possible moment at the opening of the session to bring forward measures which had been acknowledged by the Hon and Learned Member himself to be of the most satisfactory nature but which satisfaction he now attempted to qualify. At the same dine they h id come forward with a measure, which he regretted exceedingly necessity compelled them to retort to, but which was essentially ric cessary, not for the support of the present Gitveram , nt only, but for the nialotenanc , ! of any Administration. He declared :solemnly before his God, that lie would not have asked the sanction of that }Luse, sating on those benches, to a mearsore which he would not have voted for, sitting on the opposite ones.—( Loud cheering.) They were not asking for a separate consideration for the pur pcoe of eluding or defecting remedial measures ; but he would ask were the questions so involved that they should proceed pure passu, or go on side by side together ? The Government was as lolly pledged to remedial as to other measures--they were bound, as a Government, to a certain line of policy which they had explained ; and if they were unable to enforce that policy, they were unworthy the con fidence of the country, and would be disgraced by retain ing their situations.—(Cheers.) He therefore said the Government were pledged to all measures, and were en. titled to look for confidence with regard to them ; they had announced them, and if they could not carry them, they were not fit to be the Government of the =lofty.— (Loud cheering.) Dr. BALDWIN said Ministers would surely not dare to attempt to deprive Ireland of her rights and liberties. If they passed this Bill it would do more to dissolve the ties between the two countries than all the effort, of re peelers or agitators. Ireland moat he governed for its own interest, or there would be raised a spirit of resistance in Ireland that could not be put down. He was the representative of a large constituency of spirited people, who would meet those measures of severity with increased resistance from year to year. Mr. HOWARD observed that it was said the Govern ment hail declared that they should not call themselves a Government if they could not carry both measures of remedy. The Government were now passing through Parliament remedial measures, and if gentlemen would argue, let them argue from the real premises. Mr. SHEIL said that the Right Hon. Gentleman bad laid down the proposition which could not be disputed, that no Government could call itself a Government with out being able to carry the remedial as well as the coercive measures. He thought that they ought to be certain that the remedial measures introduced into that House would be carried elsewhere. He agreed with the proposition of the Right Hon. Gentleman; and if that were so, he should like to know what had become of that portion of the re medial measures for Ireland to which the Government were pledged, that it should be passed through that House? He meant the law by which the system of calling Juries in England and Ireland should be the same,. The intention to pass that measure had been announced here by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who, when interrogated on the subject, said that the Government were pledged upon it. Where was that Bill ? Had that pledge been ful filled ? Was it a remedial measure ? If so, was that measure now carried into effect? If it was not carried into effect, why bad it been relinquished? What had become of the Committee ? Had the Government in this respect fulfilled their pledge, or acted in a manner to cor respond with the general principle laid down so eloquently by the Right Hon. Gentleman, and which no one had attempted, and no one would attempt, to controvert ? He ter one admitted that principle, and he asked where was the remedy ? Lord ALTFIORP- 7 ,1 need hardly say that I admit hav ing given the pledge referred to: nor take credit for making the admission, for many of the gentlemen now around me must, of course, perfectly recollect that I did give it. I hope the House will believe me when I say, th .t I gave it with the most perfect sincerity —(Loud cheers)—and I will add, that I gave it with the most perfect confidence that it would be redeemed. —(Hear.) The Bill that the Hon. and Learned Member refers to was not carried through the other House of Par• liament, because it was so late in the s 'ssion that it could not be passed before the Prorogation. I had expected that it would have been got through before the end of the •ession. I am ready to say now that my pledge was not redeemed, and further, that I am hound to see it re deemed—(Cheers)—hy bringing forue.rd at an early: period a measure respecting Juries.—(Hear, hear.) Ido not consider from the circumstances under which that pledge had failed that I was so compromised as to make it impossible for me to remain a Member of the Govern ment.—(Hear, hear.) On that point I may he wrong, but I do not think I am; and I trust that the House will ;kink me riel.t.—(Hear.) Mr. O'CONNELL, in explanation, said it wag errone ously supposed that he had said his opposition to the pre sent Bill would depend in a great measure on the success of what he called remedial measures. Although he had spok e n on both of these measures, be bad been mistaken when it was supposed that his hostility to this me .sure would on any pretence whatever be mitigated.—(Hear, hear.) He thought it necessary to make that explana tion, eecause he found that he could not act on the im pulse of his feelings, and praise, when be saw them acting rigi.t, those whom he thought to be the enemies, without having th .t praise thrown in his teeth, and being taunted with inconsistency for it.—( Hear.) Mr. STANLEY had only said that he understood the Hon. and Learned 51embet's chief reason for opposing this measure at this time to tie, that he saw no cert .inty that the other measures—those of a remedial nature—would pass with it. Mr. O'CONNELL said that was just the mistake of which be complained. He hdd certainly said that be stw nothine to assure him that the rat , asures of a remedial nature would pass; rut be had said it without any refe rence whatever to the present Bill. Mr. FINN was satisfied of this, that no measure of a remedial nature would be received with gratitude in Ire land. if it was passed in cottjunction with a measure of this kind. The people of Ireland prized liberty too highly to accept anything as a substitute for it.—(Hear, hear.) Their condition might be improved; but if they were fed upon beef and mutton, but deprived of liberty, they would not be satisfied. Mr. F. O'CONNOR said, that notwithstanding the indiscretion of the Right Hon. Gentleman, the Irish Members would abstain from comment—(A laugh)—but he would tell that Right Hon. Gentleman that with re spect to Ireland, the memorable words of the Paymaster of the rprces were exactly true, and that " the whisper of a faction would never prevail against the voice of the nation." The Bill was then ordered to be read a first time on Wednesday next. _ _ CALL OF THE HOUSE. Mr. O'CONNELL, in pursuance of the notice he had already given, moved that there he a OaII of the House on Wednesday next. Lord ALTHORP was understood to second the motion, which was carried. SUPPLY AND WAYS AND MEANS. On the motion of Lord ALTHORP, the Committees of Supply and 'Ways and Means were postponed till Wed nesday. Mr. COBBETT had intended, on the motion that the House gq into a Committee of Supply, to renew his sta!e meet of the other night, and conclude with a resolution to the effect that the House would, with as little delay as possihle, snake such alteration in the laws on stamp duties and auction sales, that those duties should be borne equally by all classes. ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. Lord ALTUORP moved that the House at its rising do adjourn to Tuesday .next.—Agreel to. Mr. GOULI3URN recalled to ttse Right Hon. Gentle man the circumstance of some observations having been made respecting the Deaneries of Dawn and Raphoe, and wished to know when tie Right Hon. Gentleman intended to introduce his Bill on this subject? Mr. STANLEY said, the only dif f iculty he had was, whether clauses could nut be introduced into the general Bill that would supersede the necessity of these particular measures. GOVERNMENT OFFICES. Mr. HIJME moved for the appointment of a Select Committee, to examine into the number of Members of both Houses of Parliament who bold offices under the Crown, and were removeable at pleasure. He should take that opportunity of saying, that in his opinion such per sons ought not to he Members of either House of Parlia ment. Indeed, he should go further, though he we:l knew how much his sentiments on that point were at variance with those of other men, that neither officers in the army nor navy ought to have seats in that House.—(oh, oh.) He could tell Hon Gentlemen who dissented from him on this point, that in most of those majorities which supported measures that he had con tended were prejudicial to the interest of the public at large, were to be found persons of the class he mentioned. Lord ALTHORP had no objectian to the appointment of the Committee. He only suggested that it should be an instruction to the Committee to report on the number that had sat in Parliament in several antecedent periods. An Hota. and GALLANT MEMBER, whose name we could not learn (and this difficulty, we regret to say, occurs frequently and perhaps inevitably in the present Parliament) said the people o f England had a right to ex ercise their privilege of judging for themselves, and without the dictation of the Hots. Member, as to what men were fit to represent them.—(Hear, hear.) In consequence of a portion of the people having exercised their privilege in favour of him, he thought that he bad as good a right as the Hon. Member for Middlesex to a seat in that House.—(Hear, hear ) As one of the two classes of mrn whom the Hon. Member for Middle sex had thought fit to calumniate, he thought he had a right to say, in his own defence, that he should do his duty as honestly as the Hon. Member himself. Officers in the army and navy would not have been sent into Parliament unless the people had confidence in them. Mr. HUME added to his motion the words suggested by the Noble Lord, and then said that be had not calum mated any man. He was in a different situation from the Hon. Meuther. The King could not strike hi►t► out al the list of officers, as he could strike out the Hon. Alember—(Hear, hear) —and. consequently, the atn. ant'. Gallant %natter seat to that extent a dependent man.— (Hear, hear, and No, no.) He was a dependent man, as far as he held a MalrailMin under the Gruwn, Which could be taken from him at the pt=a4ure of the Crown.—. (No.) He courd show Hon. Members a printed list now on the table of 1,000 men who had been struck out of the list of commissioned officers, no reason given, and who could get no redress. The Hon. Member had talked of catching popularity.—(Hear, hear.) He despised po pu!arity.—(Loud laughter.) He had resisted the popu- I:r voice then he thought it to be wrong, and he would give the lion. Member an example. When the Ministers truckled to the popular cry about the Truck Bill, he had resisted it, and what was the result ? Why, that he was burnt in effigy throughout the country.—(Hear, hear.) An Hos.% and GA LLA NT MEMBER said, that if there was not in this age a fashion to throw imputations on officers of hi 4 M ijesty's service, he might feel indignant at the observations IA hick had fallen from the lion. Mem ber for Middlesex. lie had the honour to hold a eons mission in the navy, and he thought that the lion. Mem; ber for Middlesex diii not know what the word " honour" meant, if he thought that an uffieer, for the sake of his paltry hail-pay, would sell the intrrests of his consti tuents.—(Cheers.) He would tell the Hon. Member for Middlesex, that every officer of the army and navy threw back upon him his imputations.—(i - lear, hear.) Men who thus accused others, did but judge of others by them selves, and he believed that if the Hon. Member was placed in the situation of those men whom he now calum niated, lie would act as he accused them of acting.— (Hear, hear, hear.) _ Another HON: and GALLANT MEMBER. bad had the honour to hold the commission for 40 years. He was now returned to that House by a large constituency. He thought that if all the allegations of the Hon. Member for Middlesex were just, officers could.not be fit to represent the people. The Hon. Member ought to have tried the officers of the army and navy longer than he had, before he made such sweeping imputations against them. Be cause, the other night, they had voted for their brothers in arms, to save them a poor pittance, which had been earned by hard services, they were now arraigned before that House. Sir EDWARD CODRINGTON should not conde• scend—(Cheers),—to answer the supposition of the Hon. Member for Middlesex, that he should, individually, be biassed by the motives to which the Hon. Member had referred.—(Hear, hear.) He rase to protest against the doctrine, that the officers of the army or navy were neces sarily subse, vient to the Government. He did not look to his half-pay as a retaining fee, but as a reward for past services. That question had, in fact, been decided in 1793, when the Duke of St. Albans, then a Lieutenant in the navy, had his right to his half-pay brought into question, because he did not offer himself for service. On that occasion the twelve Judges decided that half-pay was a reward for past, and not a retaining fee for future ser vices, and they took a distinction between the army and the navy in that respect, as a man in the navy could not have his half•pay until after active service, but he might have it without service in the army. It was, however, known that officers in the army often sold their half-pay ; and who bought it ? Why, the Government. Would the Governm: nt buy that if it was a retaining fee for future services ? Certainly not. How, then, could the Hon. Member for Middlesex think that all the officers were sub servient to Government on account of that which they had a right to for past services? Mr. HOWARD said it would be easy for the Hon. Member for Middlesex to show instances of officers being arbitrarily struck off the list of commissioned officers during the earlier period of the American war. But in late years that had net been done, for public opinion had prevented the recurrence of such instances. An Hos. MEMBER, who was not a member either of the army or navy, could not concur with the observations of the Hon. Member for Middlesex. Mr. ROEBUCK was aware that it had often been held as a constitutional principle, that the representatives of the people should not be tlie servants of the Crown ; but he objected to that doctrine, not because it was too liberal, but because it was not sufficien ly democratic. He held that no constraint should be placed upon the choice of the people. Mr. COBBETT should much rather have officers of the army and navy in that House than have it filled with landowner., who pocketed so much of the people's money. He fully agreed with those Members who had said that the half pay of the army and navy was a reward for past services, arid not at all in the nature of a retaining fee; and therefore he held that there could not be an act of more grievous tyranny than to deprive any military man —be his rank what it might—of the fair reward of his laborious and hazardous servitude. He had himself not long since received a petition from a man in O'dham, who had served in the army for many years, and who, without any cause assigned, had been deprived of a pensioa earned by years of hard service. He wits a nian who had re ceived three wounds—one of them at the battle of Water leo. That petition he hail forwart'ed to the War-office, but had not received any communication in reply. Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, that if any of the out pensioners of Chelsea Hospital were called upon to serve in a veteran battalion, and refused to do so, they, accord ing to the regulations of the service, forfeited their pen sions. He certainly hiel received the petition to which the Hon. Member had alluded, and returned it to him, with such a reply and explanation as the occasion de manded, but he had not received in return any acknow ledgment of the receipt of his reply---a circumstance which he attributed to the letter having been addressed in the customary manner of addressing Members of Parlia ment, namely, " William Cobbett, Esq." He had since seen an advertisement, announcing that the Hon. Member would not take in any letters which were addieseed other wise than to "M. William Cobbett," and possibly that was the reason of the misapprehension on the subject.— (A laugh.) He fully agreed with the Hon. Member for Bath—and it was not often that he had the pleasure of doing so—in thinking that any limitation of the power of the people in choosing, whomsoever they. thought proper as their representative, would he highly inexpAient. Cohinel 'TORRENS was disposed generally to agree with the Hon. Member for Middlesex, but of late he found that Hon. Member enforcing such a rigorous discipline, that he found himself und. r a nece:sity of quitting the camp. Mr. HUME did not regret the departure of the Gallant Officer, for while in the camp he never found him agree able to any discipline. As to any imputations thrown out against himself, he flung them back with contempt. —(Such was understrod to have been the expression of Hon. Member, bat lie was not distinctly beard in the Gallery.) The motion was then agreed to, and the following Committee appointed : Mr. Hume Mr. Roebuck Lord John Russell Mr. Guest Mr. Divert Colonel Davies Mr. Clay Mr. Ellic• Mr. Ayshtbrd :Sandford Captain !Yorke Mr. Gillon Mr. Wallace . .Mr. Hall Dare - - Mr. Pry me Mr. Herries Mr. Fenton Mr. Chichester Mr. HUME then moved for returns explanatory of the navy estimates, which were immediately agreed to. The same Hon. Member moved for a return of the several pro secutions for selling unstamped publications, from the 26th of July to the present time. He condemned in very strong terms the course pursued in the matter, and thought that there should at length he an end to practices that wei e a di.grace to the country. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that the prosecu tions in question had been instituted by common informers, and the Government were by no means responsible for them. Mr. COBRETT said that he was the innocent cause of the Acts under which those prosecutions had been set on foot. It was now universally admitted that the Acts were a complete failure, and that instead of producing the effects which their authors con•empl*ted, they had a ten dency to the direct contrary. Let the Government only try now the effect of repeal. By taking that course they might perhaps regain some portion of their now totally lost popularity. Lord ALTHORP said it would not be practicable to repeal the whole of those Acts, though perhaps some por. tion of them might be done away with ; at the same time he could not undertake to say, that any alteration on the subject could, during the present session, be proposed by his Mejesty's Government. He repeated that Government were not responsible for the prosecutions in ques-ion. Mr. C. BULLER must hold the Government respon sible fur the prosecutions which were carried o❑ under I aws that they might, if they would, repeal. Lord ALTHORP repliAl, that a great number of throe prosecutions bid been instituted under the 60th of Gen. Mr. Alderman WOOD observed that the Government could not prevent those prosecutions.—Motion agreed to. MERCHANT TAILORS' COMPANY. under the Mr. M. ATTWOOD , in moving " To discha rge th e order of Monday la,t, for referring th e P et i t i on of Mr. H. Franks to the Committee on Municipal Corp ira ti ons ," c o ntended confined head to o t f ra A d i i u n n g u p ,i i p ir ; nd poses, . Corporations. Like ;he Apoth ecar i es ' C ompany, it traf ficked with individual prop erty f or the benefit of the per sons to whom the property b e l onge d . Such was the cha racter of the Company, an d upon that principle it had its that did the not Company come n origin. It could not lie connected by any rules with purely Municipal Companies. In the beginning all Coin. pinies were trailing ones, and it was upon the records of all corporations, that the aristocracy, and even Monarchs, were not ohaand of Wins members of them. If a Alv nio)naorreedhorhtehis'ob'sPeLflertion,mleannmleotsr,f,eiirttihwii::rinnitcoet—ies:p'eeeeclitip—niieitic::ehje!dhe i ; Duke of - Wellington now, who is a mertilie of t i ,i chant Tailors' Company. As another proof t a il I i Company was purely commercial, it sent l a d officer, with his silver yard in band, int° St ' td mew's Fair, to in: asure the yards or the raerchsll4,ff and to see whether they fell short of the ntea sufe r iig Being a member of the Company did not glir e‘lik. vote for Members of Parliament, and even if' : 1 ., right would not make the Company a MnPic i P e tel 'ot ration. It was a trailing corporation to a ll i tlif e iifi l purposes, and consequently ought not tg b e fr - he •o the committee on Municipal Corporations. ', .„ s tel' 1 should direct its powers in preference to the-oew'rent. public duty, and to the great machine of G°" rn „,itsl legislation. If the House wished to keep "P from which it had almost eseaped, it could not r i: Oie better course than by lending itself to such n r etta the present. He would refrain from any fur lr v e ' rs eks i andmerely move that th e p e tition of 31.r * dischat ged. ber Of Lord ALTIIORP said that the Hon. 3.fettlai r fb hl i i chided his speech by a d ver ti ng t o the mode in fotc, business of that House was conducted. It Wae , :: reason that he rose to m a ke a f e w observation, 'OO, The Hon. Member was certainly mistaken il. h e With that any prepositions could be allowed to interfere e t . regular business of the session. The bus i° :ols House should b e con d uc t e d w i t h t h e stricyst rt , and nothin g wou ld h e a ll owe d to i n t er fere "'" li ;iis ' Hon. Gentleman had also said that the Howe ' c ps,. periment. So it was, and a very successful-tt 00, tory experiment. It was the result of the e.l 'eetl % .., the Reform Bill; and the country had as yet, eve s to be satisfied with its composition. Evert' a reason to be satisfied ; and the sad predictions eil,, during the gloomy discussions of last year, .on tl le o ~ Bill, would, be felt confident, prove conaplet'lt lefts As the party that made those ' woeful foreboding' ;e 4, 4 1 7 they should rejoice if they failed in their propft'ersar Not o n /0, 0 ought now to rejoice, for they had failed. that parry to rejoice, but feel satisfied, and have i e f osl e i in that Pariiament for the future.—(Hear.) '',,, - ;1( 1 `. ing large measures of Reform, the Goveromen t 'v - 1 ;0 here to the institutions of the country. Th, e leisi that Parliament could be guilty of would be ae c- i ge ti expectations of the people. It would not ele ee ' s tsti expectations, for it was composed of the real r'P re 7b of the people, and would refer for its acts la' eg oa t sense of that people who m it no w follY rel lc sl_.r,' With respect to the view th e H on . M e mber t 0 t he Vr order of referring the petition under debate ta: h s. e ; rnittee on :Municipal C o rpor a ti ons , lie thougbr,' vii Member was not exactly correct. The Comlni c loe' inquire into the defects of the Corporations °t ook V, and Wales, and to report th ereon . It Was ol ,, " I : and to ascertain those d e f ec t s , an d i n or der CO dOc o ' e litit ,‘ , company, and (to use the expression) everP it ,rsei, , connected, as they must h e , w i t h mun icipal nar‘,,,r it r should come under th e cogn i zance o f t h e ComPdittoll respect to the question wh e th er a t ra ding cc' - '' to be considered as connecte d w i t h t h e coast° l i e 600 t corporation, he thought that certainly it was' To Corporation of London be taken as an instanc e ', o sr, come a liver) man it was necessary to belong[er those trading companies, a n d, w i t h ou t b e ing's 4 1 7 0 01 one could not be said to pos sess th e pliellegee et 1.0 part of the constituti on o f th e C or p o ration c'' oart gas e. The Committee undoubtedly had no right: e rr / a il with what it deemed did not affect municipal c c e ar and would not do so. Yet it the order of referela. 0 ;# present petit on should be rescinded, that 5cc, 1 : 0 4,4,' almost to a declaration that the Committee lot ° '',, - , tt r ,,' examine into those trading companies . As "" e 1 0 7 opinion that the Committee possessed she righ t ' b , his duty to object to the present motion. g Ot Mr. HILL again denied that he was the C° de lII' petitioner. With • respect to the application rt o e Id petitioner to the Court of King's B e nch, 'b e .,, - b u see that the.dismissil of the application ought notno. weight w.th that House. That Court hod been g 4 i .', ' of tour centuries a consistent supporter of all °,' - t liej' ..buses. As he knew that, he formerly iidvisec - 3 0.; toner (for he had been once his Counsel) not t° r' that Court, for it would be useless. Petitions t ype, others' advice,. and failed in his application' a into I i question was, whether a reform could be writ." into c irporations without investigating civic eorr i e i t, was clear it could not; for, to purify the s trestat o 4 , peers-any .on e n c eg e e s ed s o a u r tl y od o to nb one begincooi iithosew a i t hcfortneehopmeaapnnuiersio,fifavanLtdoiii.:n,d,oo:fcctuboet js..o4J s c olgi u ; ' , lr e , man he must be a freema n . B y the II Lli of /104 First, i n the election o f t h e Lord Mayor. Sho t 0 1 , ( 1 . ' City Chamberlai n , f reemen had no power; i',.: pr or y vested in th e h an d s o f t h e l i verymen, who ati:Y7, li:f considered as th e mere creatures ef city v01131) 41 bilvd. inqui,y was ma d e i nto those compan i es , the ;fill r iti municipal corporations could not be effectual l i i ista a s" detected. The Corporation of London was ri ird the assistance of Parliament to remedy its de Je :;ll l l4 l' r fore small companies should he also .willing t t Latlf.4l assistance. The Court if Assietants .had ta ll '' a4i of .entry from 3s. 4:1. to Si. 158.--(Hear, hei r i, 04 very evident why they had so great a dislike:A oili quiry, when such matters were to he tl , e P 1 ' 1 ' 1 1 :0414 inquiry. The first who refused to make an ' . ,„ 0 "10i 'II corporations was the Right Hon. Baronet oPrit,Selil in doing so, he (Mr. Hill) conceived that he hr tf , . 1 04 cau.e of greater calamity to the caul., of li,,,b e h r 4rreri country than any man that ever existed. ..'"i the_d feet in those corporations, arid the cillge ; t ber:' which they effected, is the wa nt o f secur i t y w h ie " - , I hay s e ir un E d D er w th A e rt m D . po : tt . til'ii rt. . i) only did his duty in opposing the motion ef t he ie fA) K t t e N e A o T o C Municipalßl L L c c o n o i r d e , 0 01, 0 e 0 0 a H b o le t ßll,,lewmabselimited W a n ti d i tephl plain. It T w h a e s e ii f e ie r s e t i i y ol3 ? - to tb et bro ft f p e e r t r i t t d io t n o lr h i e q c ue o s m tio n n ii was or was not a proper ° io l' al would beg to move as an amendment, " Th at .,. i 'ne,j in instruction to the Committee to confine sh et. I r # such were parts agree d o f to,th petitione birt i parties )ar t ;m e s s r w el o a u t l ei d l g e i x v c e l u t s b i v e s s l o f ~ il e O s d lit i cipal regulations." He thought that if chi t e [i e st t best consideration. _ .4 Mr. ROBINSON seconded the amendrneoao4; Mr. GROTE could not give his support 7i e e ll a il meat moved by the Honourable Baronet. totev.lA conceive the reason the circumscribing the t : i Potersi, the CotnniLtee. He (Mr. Grote) had liste rte te balet to the arguments of the. Hon. Member for Oi l did II did not agree w:th him in his conclusions. All t i t . l O , I A pn'es were Corporations. The Bank of 841 - 0 1 1 ' 7 India Company, which were established exelt!c:oB, td, purpose of trading, were essentially Corpora: l lo re ~t. Lord ALTHORP could not give his y r oe obi' amendment of the Honourable Baronet. ' bade' the Committee was to improve, and not to cl oo e. Mr. GOULBURN th o u g ht th a t the Cool f° ,,' specify the powers to be con fid e d to the d WI When the resolutions were moved, he ag e ? ce OP' with the Noble Lord ; but from what bad s ° D i e tilr er i , he thought it would be of advantage that 11 ° 60 00 / ''' ~ hauld define. in express terms what Corpor a m itter; be the subject of investigation by the C" r° t beil. , The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said, that s oo was, whether the Merchant Tailors' ColoP a g; su b !, Companies in London, were to be loa Je ,„ or'd inquiry ; of this there could be no do"' ' p oet ' cnnpany be mentioned was so intimately "" oet to the Corporation of Lond..n, and was in the s t d°lo.,' 1 municipal rights, dune could be not the le. a r , rib/ that it must be subject to the same iorl . tl , l o l oo ll o '4lt. House proposed to subject other trading c.,01,1 e° —(Hear, hear.) No gentleman had heen ' e a Ot ° ,- assert that the corporation had not exere'% it fi!d t i functions, an d en j oyed mun i c i pal r i g hts. ,f 00 0 4; any Memb er a bl e to d raw a l i ne, an d tell tr 0.4 historical detail, what portion of twitchle 0'11)1 with the Corporation of London, or t , lori e r . , terests of London, and what portion of I t Mero i r,! r ' of them ? No gentleman, not even tl e tiu .Ot i fi l brought forward the motion, and who, "Q: 1 ' 0 ,10 0 4 0 ; be well acquainted with the subject. —o ° r d e t be ! .( 11 i i by any possibility, draw such a line, au part icui ti l i House must he incapable of giving 3° ,l: be y 0 0 Oil tions in reference to this coiporation. _ e o f. tor ti t io t fore, be under the necessity of doing r,_ r fray . ti fi l either to exempt the corprration altoget.o: coo l d e loosed inquiry, or have the investigat' ° koos! tt e tirely to the good sense and Parliamentaryb c O/ 00° 0 d t ;ntegrity of the gentlemen composing the pososioderili there could be no question as to theiri,, better t° 0 ifili integrity and knowledge, it vvould in __ t be ,0 „ to, t i i latter alternative. He repeated there_ en , : ledge 0 0 1 ' 01 grity of the Committee. Tire non. _ on „ ou ja v by rtpeittin, that one trading corporation su ;,,, . and it must I e left entirely tri „ the Mr. WARBURTON said th at t for it vl 9 d ~„, te b • subject to inquiry as well as others,f r Hull P - 0. to the sane irquiry as other trading h " i r s l o r r a po t r il lt :1;1 1 1 . municipal. The Hon. Member the .. ts; t 1 0. 0: a passage of the Roman Law itt t i i n a !" Jays ....- ie, gave a clear definition of the wor( rrr n ila c ' er" fli! d prie quidem municipes ( ippellan nicipes are, those who unoertake th . 3 _7 04 1 tr offices. The Fibhuxtufere:Coinewar. 0' recepti in civitute, zit munerd no b l i_sc e u ts tly ... . aer p e ea. % Genl'lea'sji, be b