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the o ther 0, is t° rc f° ed has itoP this $ f• or suP il f : t . vn to' ° : It ' t o 'resolvent 0, o foreig"e., out,: - be t, • ors van t o ese tl ' r ed feet" 3ans n plo, os e es; eli fi s i b t ic! is 9 „ .0 1 ; bed, ad 0014 may e b 't argt oe , 0 0 i but t "fit to verunpe.• rbr idirY in br sori Otit 04 01 lake _ for ry whesuol . a may b t he whic be nose t° rn m o e ° ` o ir f A u g CO — 1 a of 'h e of to he a fu ll ll° u ou nirjf an d° )f th e mic e e j)- ry p 3 4 11 the ° in th ! ff I, e o en are Tbur'" i ;d l id Mai n i sl 4 Danube...ROl Of "'OP will* 60 Y by ~bc 14. 60 1° coc. )r. 114 1 (t ti o , CITY, TWELVE O'CLOCK. .ktii ) ," snail has arrived by the Royalist, but of an old I , t . et t iritiently she cannot bring any fresh information. ailingllx,l°W is an extract of a letter from Madrid by the ki4.14 morning Ati o to r , : e gotiati ons for the recognition of Donna Maria are ili 4 .tti t Wit h great ac ti v ity The Plenipotentiaries of France '14,,,tr, a " have, i t is said, manifested a wish that the t,, 0 itio:hould resign, as they were greatly opposed to the It'll S A 4 .Of Sir Stratford Canning ; but it appears that ,tlot,ttli,,k still hesitates, fearing that the party in the interior 1 41, 4 . i t derogatory to the power and dignity of the .1 4 t 5!,1, 54 At all a events, it is asserted that the Queen strongly ttto''t h i • - ,'hang e of the Ministry, and, according to reports ttl,, high circles, Count Ofalia is to replace Zea Ber ' 0 1 4t 4 ', 14 ),,:1, 1 . 1 , 0 Queen is gaining strength, and rejoices at the ,e t Nighte"ronna Maria, as Don Miguel is a griVat enemy to tear 40 5 , k , 4 ,. THE FUNDS. A 4 t t . t v et 'no arrivals of any consequence as yet, consequently ..• 44 V, i pi ,°Siti,, Y. chill in the to the present hour, with scarce a ••• .....,./ 0 , i h ~,, , koi o ,„ city ••• (P a d 3 i ' . ! , 1 011 0 6 ii i the funds. OW f t° r , Nee out Pened at the price they left off yesterday, 89 li for e o ' pOipel, 1 11 ) b as t : In the Foreign Market Portuguese Scrip 23%, w oo, te ll,„0" Nri, kltillt.proved 14 per cent., •,i %- A t or or pi r h g day in the Foreign Market. " tic ° o'9 a./V Oa „xl j i , n e HALF PAST ONE. . po- , g . I ,i o il hav e c „„.... . $ n l ' fel . N, Is pi . "II the following letter from Cork. "An expe e, " n fti,e,) ' ,V, 4 tr a : Pari ng here for Portugal ; three large ships are tt , - is° 0 ; 91.„,`te g i - " l Ports. It is to consist of three thousand men, echo*APP,JOI7,I,I t ti t /at s oo n [ ' t4e7 Regiment , to 5 , , 1, ,, vNi Oth lsth Dragoons, &c., be st d th th at [seas P o ssible, in case of need. We have also ascer- He ' ett A 0 k r i N I , 41 ~ip / , et v Lord of the Isles, a steamer of Don Miguel's, se r ., - Ord/ '. l ,rtto t , N ets, are preparing to convey stores, ammunition, an. foie t ' c4,:s° General Bourmont. It is supposed they will land oell tli o , 1 ttOs o r ° e , in some Spanish port near Oporto. h fi r f , o: '/ t°,4 r. 4 tt or ' ha ve been during the morning 89 to % for the Ac_ t h ni t r. ~ t ,ta I Ri k l ,„, t o 11Ele„ 0 0 ,10, , tql,,tll t r , ° reign Market the settling of the account is going 7,r(1 0 4e 2 41 1 4 Qrt t he Present time, although it is an exceedingly heavy . ', f ntlese Scrip, which is at present 9.4; Spanish, 23i I. 0.) 04`0 i , 1,, I? 1.:1; O' CI. ( I cA. oPP ° 0 $ or -'1 fo r h , t/ 0 V;pl e the Accnunt, Eig to 1.. a I V 1 A tis ,le ; i t' I N 1. 01; pe 4 boa 4f , ~ /I, Q t , YOF THE MIDDLE AND WORK ' Pe pe ( 4r , t' T ~,,i ' 4 c u - „ 0 431 . 3 .—" We have not often met with a work allP tie (• r pe i t l thi ; , Ruses a greater quantum of sound and strong ' 1 0 . 1 0 : 1 0 , 0 ‘1 1 , the,: t i ttiZ, , lt . !mks as this we consider as very proud 1 11 15 'pi t , N o Its lof of the human intel,t. They present ii in „At/ t y ' i sr` t , , ko tt ,, lest a.,..i nobleo• ..f itUtieg, prinritill for, h was a • 4 o , : ta, r 0f74.,,,b-"3 clear and acute reasoning, just and compre ,ol°:oo oof t7'vatiorl, and exhibiting all the other attributes he P r o io , 1 11. N 4 tr i 7 most favrturable s• ecimeris oi human intelli y p le (1/ 1 Pi ell, ' I theottze is at once elegant, nervous, and 4.- - 1( , W "." Scot fy 1,4, it t.4ll .., man. 1 t it t , P 4k m F LANNEL.—A RATIONAL REA ° tll„ , 4 t!,j AkR YING • —" How could you do so unto u • kt o Z i e u. ti-I:,:,sail a curate to a . very poor Taffy ; " us hat r•r t ... i ti „ , 'tt hav e for marrying a gut a- comp etely t tlt 1 tir .i ," , ty at you. self, and both without the pr. ra. 444,11kTIertliet'dishtest pr.Vi•if •I 1 r .. MTh), Sir," replied N oli q ttli . •. ' We lia.l a very goof red.on : we load a il t i „ . 11 1 !o t ,:.!"' l and as the cold winter wisher was t it 4,,r.,": thmight that putting them together it woulit 44. titL. - --Lit e , ury Ga7ette. 1 4 4 11, 4 ---- Thursday morning a duel was fought 1),, ,t 4,,,,, ir 4 r, I.e t wee n Alr. GALLAGIIER, the ,entrolt , guiat, ~. th,,, 'n Liverpool, 41141 aMr Ivisort. ot Leeos. ohtt, were ex c h a , ~i • last I f uhicl Mr. „ 414, , A , it.,e , in ther , k , q ar,,, ()waled his ad, r,ar y in the knee. Th. 1,,,,,- by 14 e mi , of some eet.surra upon the I , ash pi test. 1 4 ,:o 4 , r• IvrsoN in the pre.ence of Mr. Gra I.LA t ~,, 54 • . _ p , ~e ibt :ntl in tira .to: it, a few evenings hetore. 4 t Ni b _ ut 30 persona p. esetit. —Liverpool Chiron. 14iptikbYeraf ter 'loon, in a field at Dalttiartiock, o n it ,tf shearers were returning from dinner to 7 4 • 1 4 , ti " . , A Young . p ', ~,,,,_ a woman, who had fall: n behind her , f C:Ito„ , ::: I:,tee to ke, pup is them, and having to ~ 4 " 1 . teapin I e supped her feet and lell, whir n the point V1, 4. Y a Iv., g-tiook er.tered her b ody, and jai, t c d so I sf t , ' land on her intestines, that she expired in tan 4 tir( 9 l aidn the greatest Courant. agoriy.lEdintur9h 1111 'JAMES GRAHAM'S OBJECTION TO Ma. BUCKINGHAM'S MOTION. k s TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. Is7-F.rorn the manner in which I was surrounded . by .h nu o . f k7s friends in the House of Commons last evenin, each 0, had sortie itus respectisuggestion to offer for the improvement of my ng im ell a:efore the pressrnent, I lost the opportunity of re. i Proper time, as it was or i g i na ll y my i n t en t ion of the motion was put from the chair. Sir i l it: ; e l flo r b e . . ez rarevn twoaet nh P . ofints, however, in the speech of i James 0 which I ask your permission to make a was atter of complaint by the Right Hon. Baronet, that ~f 4ted at U t P h i f d in my speech four times the period I had sug. Nt th at h ' o Pening of Parliament for the speeches of others, Illiite e should follow my precept, and avoid my example. f It r *opoatit_nle that I once suggested half an hour as being a t a a i n 4. 4nhi u n of tirne for any man to occupy at once, t ' 4 M; Y : 5B Members, where all had an equal righ s s o t o o h b a e `4lltatin„4.4 Whenever the House shall accede to ' ls *--bt, " t' ' 'all its Members, I shall cheerfully observe the surd anA ' 'til it is made applicable to all, it would be both httleular,Nust, in my view of the case, to expect that any k [l. it b e nil Kerober should be subjected to it. But this evil, aes o ra e , i s More than counterbalanced, as the spec ro orted 411,44,1"a'; which occupied about half an hour, is p 4 oceu p ,,. 4 bie the length of the one, which he complained s l' h s e ib in e , 7b n . r times as much space. t, :a es ali t ; Nnt is, however, of more importance. Sir 4 1 414 fed_ atetronder what co o u t l i d on hav a e s b been the motive for i Atig iht Q 'W such e this on the 15th ' t° b ' 'th en the session was so near its close. It Doty 5 regretted that Sir James has so . short . a Ati e4 i ; . 1 4 the reason of its being so late was this—it on, as t 44, 11) : 4 the Circler Book, very early in the present day, at 'se 44,-"een three several times deferred to a future u a b y l , icly 4 44 d ;, eft„ nt r eqUest of his Majesty's Government, p , 4 Rti - "' the treasury bench, and twice at th presing o s c o c l a i : .::!' Of l i of Sir James Graham himself, who, onethoe Blastfrequently l a !sitb z i t is h 4 ' doing, said, " that he had a d lr f e e a r d y his motion on tiketiinnetlion• Member for Sheffield to 4 4 to 0 ,. !(:. some future day,. that should e he ashamed a , of w lien that favour were it not that e the important sub- Zit h;e't India Slavery was to be brought on that evening, 4,lit ' ti l .th the country felt so anxious ; but he begged to say, lt7 a, ill s in"°n• Member for Sheffield could but afforded for 11k.1 4 ,:', 4i °n, another opportunity would be am) 'set etz i"n i and by so doing he (Mr. Bucknig would th, 4 tter, ~,'g a great obligation on the . Government." I CSlt tia "eh an appeal, seconded as it was the wishes of ; 7 ' t i .' I resolved for the third time to fix it for another Otil ero. t I leave the public to judge whether it is either just , ier,, us to sue and pray for a favour at the hands of another, t W :td, t ‘ ter tsPorary purpose, and, .when .. that purpose is an. Olt a. " tnrn round and taunt the individual from whom the 'iLlt W— 4 ked for having granted it, and by that means done 'lohsYvto his cause, by its postponement. ' h t a t ilt R fe tarried such a motion, however, within five votes k t jptilL l4o , When so many of the Independent Members ffioo 4,tht t ,, - Ah. and when the holders and exp . ecta . ots of o , 1 4 ; te l ctgUlar adherents of the Ministers, principally , remain, ki: 0 :: 0 T i ndicative of the real state of the public opinion of ire tnY views, that lam quite content with the issue, ig t .4 Ph. ° , n IY, in perfect good humour, to refresh the memory C... °4 tit' l ` Lord of the Admiralty, as to his b . eing f hi w m h s i e c l b f the i ''lii, %se of the late period of the motion o -.../ am, Sir, your obedient servan t .KlNGHA M. servant, 1 1 , , teri k J. B k 4 .Pl ace. Pall Mall, Aug. 16, 18aI UC !Pp, 'NG INTELLIGENCE-(THIS DAY.) NAL , ___.............--- A , FROM LLOYD'S , L- ..s.—Wind S. S. E., light —Arrived from the -.. 5. the Anvergne, Straquest, for Bengal, and foor Quebec 1 4, 44 :0u UT H, Aco. 15.—Wind N. N. W., light. Atio. 14.—Wind E. N. to S. E.—Arrived oit his 1 4,. 5 %ttc, 14 Royalist, from Lisbon, sailed the 20th u . and - thud, • Y•icht Whittaker, from iand the Scorpion . , Alt 'qe " Port, the Columbine, Pilcher, the River Gambia, 4if,)\l22 l)i e, Phillips, from Barbadoes ; the Jane, IJunn, k k 'm ; and the Superior, Smith, from Baltimore. ahty`qa.lesty's steamer the Hermes, for Lisbon, with de. ~1 L 1.;, AVa. 14.—Arrived off port, the Eagle, from Qttp—and, and the D ar t, A rms t rong , f rom Madeira. ~pl 4 u°. 14. --Arrived the Mars, M'Queen, from Ja lo, It 1Z4),5r04.4, the Indian, Ravenscroft, from Manilla. Ana 14 Arrived off' port the Mermaid, from 4 ' a • 4t1, 1 4 4 .. : ' a nd Charles, Eaton, from Madras. th:i la—Arrived the Earl of Aberdeen, Lawson ; 4 4 ‘- . 0141 ; and M., rgare t Miller, Kenn, from Q k ue . bec; ' Hopper from St. John's, N -r e, Munro, from St. Pete Brunswick ; and 4 ar Ve t Y. Johnston, from Quebec , . was on shore at the `,04,,,0f Brunswick Dock, Liverpool, on Wednesday, and 4 4 - 0 l her deck load. i, er eid La I , from London to Columbia River, put 1;. the the 12th ' t. leaky, and would be obliged to dis. t Of her cargo. to I , et Lloyd's, Aug. 16,1833. tt il L, ' ,. l-°Wi ng is in reply to a representation made yesterday tiS e, r - Els of the Admiralty by the Committee that it was !t t4t t many homeward.bound vessels must be detained at I,t4tat'te t he Channel by con t rary an d li g ht w i n d s, an d of supplies t kr ' .. "1 am comm Admiralty, Aug. 15, 1833. 1 11. 1 t4 4 N A that a s ared by the b Lords rd C e o r i e n d m t proceed tofreamc. 11° 44 4t11 to the chops lsvefssettn Channel haseen o ss o nrs o with water and provi. t he relief of the o home e ward.bound trade. I am, Sir, &c. (Si gned) GEO. ELLIOT. Ben nett, Esq., Lloyd's, THE FUNDS. -(THIS DAY.) D AY') s he ld o's g r . King ati • or Y e ut" tr ice, y A # of° A ; P : eo ;e d i de ° o 1- 0 Wer e ro t oo ttl eil. `eh te De t 4 4, 10. 0 1 4,1 . , ;er e • -; 11 0). IC S ' # o l l ' IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, AUGUST 15. The Srstocrta. resumed his seat at a quarter put five o'clock. ABOLITION OF INIPRICONMENT FOR DEBT. The SOLICITOR GENERAL said he rose to propose (and he did so with great reluctance) that the Bill which be brought in for abolishing imprisonment for debt, and for re forming the law of debtor and creditor might be postponed until next rpssion. He felt that he could not at present press it with any advantage to the public, but during the rece,s he would studiously devote his time to the re moval of all the imperfections. and overcoming all the oto.tach-s which were at present in its way.—(Hear, hear.) He now gave notice that early next session be should move for leave to bring in the Bill. The order of the day for the second reading was then read, and the second reading was fixed for this day three months, thereby disposing of it for this ses.ion. Mr. HUME presented a petition from the prisoners confined in the King's Bench Prison, in favour of the Bill which had been just postponed by the Hon. and Learned Solicitor• General. The petitioners stated the hardships they and their families suffered at present without affirding any relief to their creditors.—(Hear, hear.) Also, a similar petition from the debtors in Warwick gaol. Many cases of great hardship were mentioned in that petition, and he begged to remind the Hon. and Learned Solicitor-General of the absolute necessity of some very early legislation upon the subj:ct, for the present system seemed to him to be one of spoliation and destruc tion.—( Hear.) The Hon. Member then presented a petition from 1,400 persons, members of a Political Union of Aberdeen, and other inhabitants of that city, com plaining of the conduct of the first Reformed Parliament, and stating that there had been a great eleal of truckling to the Ministers, and that its Members had become imbecile, by their tergiversation with respect to the malt tax. They prayed for annual Parliaments, vote by ballot, and universal suffrage. The Hon. Member said he concurred in a erect deal of what was stated in that petition, hut he could not (for reasons be bad before stated) assent to annual Parliaments. Lord ALTHORP said he had never during the time he had been in office objected to the reception of any petition, but it was necessary that some discretion should he exercised, and in looking at the petition, he put it to the House whether such language could with propriety be used, with respect to the Members, as accusing them of tergiversation ; the insult was intelligible enough.—(A laugh and cries of ‘• Hear.") Mr. COBBETT hoped the Noble Lord would not object to the reception of the petition. Lord ALT HORP begged to ask the Hon. Member, if any body accused him of tergiversation, whether be would not consider it an insult laugh.) Mr. HUME s e had no hesitation in avowing that the act of the House in rescinding its own act on the malt tax, was in his opinion an act of tergiversation. Under such circumstances, he did not wonder at people expressing themselves strongly ; and be could not see how it could be considered to be an insult. The SPEAKER said, that whatever opinion might he entertained on the part of the petition objected to, there oi another part of it which, without doubt, was highly objectionable ; and he would venture to say, that the Chair would be exceedinvly lix in the duty that belonged to it, it such a petition were suffered to he presented to that House without animadversion.—(Hear, hear.) The petition said, " During which period the -eats of that House, with very few exceptions, were occupied by Members who were not identified with the interests of their constituen s, but who only sought the interest of their own body, or responded to the Treasury benches." This was imputing motives which would be highly disorderly if applie I by one Mem ber to another ; and if a petition containing such and similar all gations were permitted to lie upon the table, the House would he agreeing to receive a gross insult, and a mist Hiellous and scandalous statement.—(Hear.) Mr. HUME Otis, rved that he did not understand those statements in the petition t.. apply to the present House of Commons, but as an historical averment founded upon t e last half century. The SPEAKER said be could not see how the Hon. Member could avoid seeing the imputation in the petition against the exiting Howe of C ,nouns, as the petition distinctly accused the present Parliament with nut doing its duty. _ . Alr.' HUME suggested that the Clerk should read the petition, anti that then, it he discovered that any word in the petition applied in the manner premised by the R ght Hon. the Speaker, he would immediately withdraw it. The Clerk then read the petition, in which it was stated that the prtsent Reformed P rliament had forfeited the confidence of the pe plc ; and, in particular, by its tergiversation on the subject of the malt tax. Colonel L. HAY said it was obvious at first sight that this petition was most disrespectfully worded, and lie begged leave to object to its reception. He knew some thing of the persons who had signed the petition, but at the same time he felt satisfied the House would be at no loss to account for the extravagant opinions it contained, when a Member of that House could be found to write a letter such as the one he should now read. The Hon. Member then read the following letter addressed to the Secretary of the Aberdeen Political Union Bry anston-square, Aug. 3, 1833.—Sir, I shall have much pleasure in presenting the petition intrusted to my charge, and I shall have also pleasure in supporting its prayer. But the petitioners may depend on it that this Parliament, if 1 judge by their proceedings heretofore, will do little to meet the just expectations of the people. There appears, on the part of the Ministers, a determinatio❑ to do as little as they can in the way of reform ; and the Whigs and Tut ies seem, with that view, to act a very appropriate part. The one party, to keep semblance of reforming the institutions. make some propositions, as in the Bill for Church Reform—and the Tories partly terrify them, and partly resist every thing that is worth having. The whole, in fact, is humbug arid mockery—(L iughter)—and will so continue until the people show that they are in earnest, and determined to have reform. I remain, your obedient servant, Joseph Hume." In conclusion he wished to know whether the Hon. Gen !emu, disavowed this letter. Mr. HUME, with considerable energy—Every word of it is my own, and I am prepared to defend it.—( He ir, and some confusion.) I have no copy of the letter, but think it is of my own enditine ; for whenever I give an opinion I give it hastily and candidly, and I must say, although it was written off-hand, it states precisely my (minions in the very language that I would employ. If the Hon. Member wil! give me a copy of the letter, I will now amplify on the text, and defend its doctrine. lam ready to do so now.—(No, take another time.) The SPEAKER a•ked whether the Hon, Gentleman consented 'o withdraw the petition ? Mr. HUME said as the Speaker considered it incon sistent with that respect which should be paid to the House, although his (Mr. Hume's) opinion might be different—(Hear)—he should withdraw it, as inconsistent with that respect without which they could not carry on the bu.ine-s of the house. Colonel HAY again rose and asked, as it was important for the Hon. Member's constituents, whether be avowed that letter ? Mr. HUME had already stated that it contained his sentiments, that its language was such as he should use, that he had wrirten it with his own hand, and was pre pared to defend its statemen►s. IMPRESSNIENT OF SEAMEN. Mr. BUCKINGHAAI rose to move a resolution that the forcible impressment of seamen for his Majesty's navy is unjust, cruel, inefficient, and unnecessary; and that it is the duty of the Rouse to avail itself of the present period of profound peace to provide some means of mantling tl e ships of his 11Iaj—ty in t.me of war without a violation of the liberties of one class of his M ijesty's subject.. The Hon. Gentlemrn condemned the •ysti m as unjust, cruel, and it,. fficacious. He found, upon rridin! t n this tudnect, that :here was no statute law which authoriz d t his air .ctice; and ti e I 6,h of Charles 1., r. 28 declared the inipiessrne o r of s ddters to he ill-gal ; and under that Act many persons were fined f•r forcing people to enter t',e army. Lord Cao.den had challene t d the whole Bench of Judges to prove the 'reality of this practice; , nd (Alr Buckingham) w is not aware that that chal brig had ever teen accepte.l. Lord Al in-field had held that impre.stnent ,A as riot to he justified by statute or common law, hut that usage only warranted it. Thus in sea wheie p r-ons engaged in press gin e . had acted with violenc a and had been sh t by those whom they sou g h t to rapture, Ju ges had held that the parties were not em ir ) , 0 1 anything n ore tl i t i a .. n Then, as to the cruel , sys em—it was to he remembered that it was not the merely taking of sea firing men, to whom the haidship might tim. be s o vreat, hut lindsmen were als. impressed. The fact was, that, when sailors were not to he had, thin lands men at cue carried off. and hence arose the fact of inefficient crews in our men-of-war. The gaols w re often resorted to to make up crews, to find out Britleweil so , n and gaol birds, a. Pepys had termed them. Smug g l e rs hail been subsequently added to the service ; and thus they employed all sorts of thieves and va,abonds, whi e a slur was ctst upon the navy by that system. The ,mprestin,ent service had b een l o ng a terror, and hence arose the fact that the privates ring service was much superio• and much m ,re popular. Whenever a proelamat.on for impressment of men was issued, it caused an immediate feeling of horror, and men left their homes, and districts were often forsaken. It appeared that in 1803 there were upwards of 5,000 able seamen and 3,000 lan !men, all of whom were im pressed into the service. He maintained that the system of impress was more expensive than a more regular and honest system of manning the fleet. The keeping up of tenders and receiving -ships was attended with a great cost. An eminent pilot at Yarmouth had calculated that every impressed man cost the country from first to last 6001. A substitute could he obtained for a tenth of that sum, and, after all, many of these men escaped in spite of every effort to retain them. The effects of the impress were to raise the wages of merchant seamen, and to increase all the prices in the merchant marine, so as to enhance the price of all goods to the consumer. Dr. Trotter had mentioned a case where a Captain of a merchantehip had offered the sum of five hundred pounds to the Captain of a man-of-war to let his vessel pass without overhauling the vessel and Im pressing the crew. He begged the House particularly to take notice of this important truth, that not one man was impressed for the service of the navy, who did not cost the country 6001. ; and that fifteen thousand some odd hundreds had deserted from the navy in the short space of two years. Amongst the suggestions which he should offer to the House for the purpose of rendering practica ble the abolition of impressment was this—to employ a half-pay officer of the navy in every port of the empire as an inspector, for the purpose of seeing that no vessel left that port for foreign service, without her proper complement, and without being duly provided with all the requisites for her voyage. He should also propose that all sailors should be required to pay a certain per centage upon their wages, for the pur pose of creating a fund to procure men enough to avoid the necessity of impressment. This, with a classi fication of the sailors in the navy into three classes— namely, into men of fifteen, ten, and five years' service, with additional pay of Id., 2d., and 3d. continued to them as a retaining fee, so as to render just the requisition of their services at a future period. He should further propose that there be established in every sea-port town a register of all persons connected with a seafaring life, and that the persons required for the service of the navy should be ballotted for from amongst that class in the same manner as the inhabitants of the country generally were ballotted for to serve in the militia. Thus the moment a war broke out the Admiralty could at once procure the necessary supply of men. The maritime po pulation of the country amounted to nothing less than one million of men, and one in one hundred of these would yield 10,000 men. The Hon. Member, after dwelling upon the practical slavery involved in the practice of impressment, insisted that it was that practice which made flogging necessary—if that species of punish• meet could, under any circumstances, be considered ne cessary. The Hon. Member concluded, by submitting his resolution. Mr. G. F. YOUNG seconded the motion. Tee qtiestion eves then it. Sir JAMES GRAHAM had listened with attention to the speech of the Hon. Member, because he particularly wanted to know what was the motive the Hon. Gentle man had in bringing forward his motion on the 15th day of August, when the Hnuse was already overwhelmed with business, and exhausted with the fatigue of a long and laborious session. He could not, with all his attention, make out the Hon. Gentlernan'm motive. They had not as yet got annual Parliaments, when every Member, on returning to the hustings, would be obliged to give an ac count of his recent conduct in Parliament, and when he might he able to justify that conduct by pointing out the popular notions he had lately originated. It could not, therefore, be on that ground, nor for that reason, that the Hon. Gentleman had thought fit to bring forward, almost at the end of the session, the present popular motion. However, be did not mean to accuse the Honourable Member of any sinister motives, for he felt satisfied the motion was not made with the intention of causing dis• satisf tetion among those who served as seamen on board his Majesty's ships. Yet he was afraid that the motion might have some such tendency, particularly when he considered the strong analogy the Hon. Member ende.- vnured to draw between absolute slavery and the condition of those persons. Above al!, be oeprec.teil, as most dare germs, what the Hon Member said about the prerogative of the Crown in this matter —a prerogative acknnwledged by the Wgliest authorities_a prerogative which lay dor mant, and which was never exercised but in case of extremity. He would direct the attentio n of the Hon. Member and of the Hnu-e to the opinions of Mr. Justice Foster on impressment, who, in support of those opinions, brought forward every argument, the eteeneth of which he cv uhf not we ,ken by any additional arguments of his own. What he alluded to was, the well known report d judg ment of Mr. Justice Foster, who-e great argum. nt w that in moments of imminent (linger, every subject owed allegiance to the State. There was a question raised by the Hon. Member whether there was any difference be trvion the land and sea service, an f the Hon. Gentlem in alluded to a statute of Charles the Second, where it was declared that the impressment of soldiers was illegal. Upon that statute the Hon. Gentleman founded the areument that the impressment of sailors must be also illegal. Now he came to a very different conclusion from that of the Hen Gentleman, for if the law was silent about the impressment of sailors, he considered that the inference was that the silence of the law was giving a sanction to it. There was one proposition of the Hon. Member that he could not assent to. The Hon. G ntleman contend d that impressment was unjust and cruel, be cause it was partial, and tell on seafaring men only. Now lie took the very converse of that proposition, arid main tained that it was right that impressment should be con fined to te afaring prisons, since, if it fell on the other classes of the community, it would he highly cruel and unjust. Not only was the proposition of having impress ment fall on I .ndsmen cruel, but by common law it was an indictable offence. If ever it had been done in the course of the war, as he believed it had been done, it could only be looked upon in the light of a gross abuse of the system, and it was strictly prohibited by naval officers. Besides, he was just told by his Hon. and Learned Friend near him (the Solicitor-General) that a landsman so im pressed could be actually discharged. The Hon. Member, in talking of the partiality of the practice, bad alluded both to Russia and France. In Russia certainly there was nothing like partiality, since every one could be forced into the naval service, and it often happened that whole regiments were marched from the interior and forced on board the Imperial ships. Was that better than the partial system of impressment of this country ? Now, with respect to the French system, it would be seen on a little reflection, that it was little better than our system of impressment. All seafaring men in that country were registered, and the Sovereign had a right to compel to serve on board his ships every man so registered. That was certainly something vet), like impressment. There were, however, three principles laid down by the Hon. Gentleman to whi c h h e was g l a d th a t b e cou ld g ive his assent. The first related to the well-regulating Of the merchant service. No one more than he felt the import ance of having that service better regulated, for many reasons, and particularly as it was the nursery for the Royal Navy. The Government should pay the hest possible attention to the better regulation of the mer chant service, and nothing but the weight and pressure of official business had prevented him fru., directin g his attention to a better code of laws for the regulation of that service. There were several abuses in the merchant ser vice, and one very great one, which related to the waves of men dud Le assured the House that he was most willing to direct his attention to them, and should apply hims. If durina the recess to the subject, so chat be trusted he should he enabled to propose some specific re medial measures by the time that Haute met next ye tr.-- (Hear ) The next pint on which he agreed with the Hon. Member was, that it was extremely desirous to stimulate as many of the King's subjects as passible to wish to become seafaring men. He would assure the House that -iii- e the peace all successive administrations hot done everything in their power to induce persona to embrice the prof shoo of the navy. He trusted that tie Hon. Gentlem a n would not suppose that he was arguing the principle of impressment in the abstract ; b e confessed that it was an evil, and it was only as a necessary and unavoidabl e evil that he argued the question. Ev ryti etas now being (bole th .t his evil might be avoided for the future, since the G vernment was makitie every rife t, in the event of the lir-eking on- of a war, to have the best and fit-eat men for the naval service, by nd aveuring to make that service acceptable to them. G.iveininent hail recourse to the coassitication of the tnen on beard, by which they might b e better known, their conduct an , set vitos more easily distinguished. and as they were aw-tre th a t their merits must come to light, th re was a greater stimulus to exertion. But this was not ail, eines ttore was provijed by the bout ty of Parliament a pension list, framed tor the benefit of every man ho I ad served above ten years. net pension and th e pay the men were to tee ive were gr tduate l ac cording ti, tie newt e of the a evict. perterneed, and the period of it. The Hon. Geutlem in touched upon another questio n , that of DUNki MP t WII i .h was, re allow e d, . • eery mut pertsnt question. Gevernm e ni bad taken it into their serious consideration and had a rest rict i on on arbitrary punishments.' They had ordered that evidenc e should be transmitted as to the 4 Ef-riee, and that it should b e corroborated by the other officers. Puuiehmeut wag to be Mei red twenty four hours in all cases except mutiny. In consequence of the regulations upon this point, punishments in the navy were now one. third less than they were before these regulations had been put in practice. With respect to what the Hon. Gentleman said about diminution of pay, he would find, that if he compared the v .lue of money now with its value in former periods, no disparity in seamen's pay would appear. Another stimulus to make the service more acceptable had been provided. Formerly the patronage of the Coast Guard Service lay with I .nds men. The boatmen in that service are paid three shillings a day. The patronage was taken from landsmen and transferred to the Admiralty, and no men now serve as boatmen in that service who have not been in his Ma jesty's service three years, and who cannot produce a certificate from his captain that his conduct was good, and that he deserved to be rewarded for it. This had been found a considerable inducement to make men enter the service. He also concurred with the objection of the Honourable Gentleman, that smugglers should not be sent aboard King's ships, and he pledged himself to bring forward in the next session of Parliament a measure to abolish flagging as a punishment in the. navy. He had now, he believed, gone through the principal points upon which the Hon. Gentleman had touched. He would now state the opinion of one of his colleagues on the subject of impressment. That colleague was as brave and as humane an officer as ever served, and had served with the greatest honour—he alluded to Sir T. Hardy. It was the opinion of Sir Thomas, who also said it was the opinion of Lord Nelson, with whom he had served, that every measure possible should be devised to prevent the necessity of having recourse to impressment__ that every stimulus should be applied to the men, in the way of indulgence and pay, to make them take to the ser vice ; but Sir Thos. Hardy also said, that if ever a wit should arise, he would not be responsible for the success and honour of the navy, if he was not allowed to man the British navy by having recourse to impressment in the hour of danger. The Hon. Gentleman had quoted the opinions of Lord Camden and Lord Mansfield against the practice of impressment. They were great authorities, but he thought he could quote in favour of the practice as eminent an authority, the opinion of an individual cele brated for his love of country, and for his ardent love of liberty—he meant Lord Chatham.—(Hear, hear.) That Nobleman thus expressed his opinion on the subject in the following manner :—" The subject on which I am speaking seems to call on me, and I willingly take this occasion to decl ire my opinion upon the question on which much wicked pains have been employed to disturb the minds of the people, and to distress Government. My opinion may not be very popular, neither am I running the race of popularity. I am myself clearly convinced, arid I believe every man who knows anything of the English navy will acknowledge, that without impressing it is impossible to equip a re spectable fleet, within the time in which such armaments are usually wanted. If this fact be admitted, and if the necessity of arming on a sudden em; rgency should appear incontrovertible, what shall we think of those men who. in a moment of danger, would stop the great defence of their country ? Upon whatever principles they may act, the act itself is more than faction ; it is labouring to cut off the right band of the community. My Lord-, Ido not rest my opinion merely on nec.-ssity ; I am satisfied that the power of impressing is founded on uninterrupted usage, it is the consuetude reyni. and part of the com mon law preroeative of the Crown." That was the opinion of an ardent lover of liberty, but who preferred the honour and safety of his country to populur applause. He would not depart from such a sound opinion, and as he would not seek popularity at the expense of the honour, dignity, and safety of the nation, he would not hesitate to eive his most decided negative to the motion of the lion. Gentleman. Mr. HUME had heard with great satisfaction many parts of the Right Hon. Baronet's speech, but he was at a loss to know how, after admitting the force of many of his Hon. Friend's objections, h- had come to the con clusion of so decidedly opposing the motion. The Right Hon. Baronet seem , d to found his chief argum nt in favour of impressment on the circumstance that it was established by old custom. But was tha a reason that if it was bad it should not o.e change , ' ? The 1)1.1 custom of electing Members of Parliament w is bad, but that was thought no reason why it should not be altered. He was at a loss io know what the Right H , n. B.tonet meant by his argument of necessity ; for he had not poi -ted out what constitut.d that necessity. He thought the House should pronounce themselves in a distinct man net against th a system, which was both cruel and illegal. He made use of the word illegal designedly, because the practice w ,a illecal. sitter it tell upon one class of persona in particular. Whether the Right Hon. Baron. t was for tunate in alluding to Russia and France, it mattered not. ; what they wanted to know was, whether an illegal and cruel practice was necessary for the good of the service or not. He did not think it was. He had met in the course of his experience with many distineuished naval officers, whom he consulted on the subject; and he had scarcely ever met with one who i'id not say that the system did not insure that cordial co-operation on the part of the men which was absolutely necessiry for the success of the service. If, as Ile held it was, the practice was unconstitutional—if, in its operation, it w a s cruel and partial, and inefficient for the service of the Government, and that it did not give satisfaction in the bumble ranks of life—if all this could be proved, and if the House found that such was the truth, he would ask the House whether the motion of his Hon. Friend ought not to be entertained ? But the Right Hon. Baronet said the 15th of August was not the proper time to bring forward such a motion. Such an argument came rather awkwardly from a Member of a Government who were bringing forward, almost at the same time, millions that ought to be made at an earlier period of the session, if they ought to be made at all. For such a motion as the Present, no day of the session was too late —no, not even the very last day of the session—since it was likely to be productive of good. He considered the Right Hen. Baronet had not dealt with the subject fairly and candidly, that he should have shown that it was necessary to con tinue the practice, and that he should have pointed out if it were not necessary how it might be prevented. Upon those points the Right Hon. Baronet bad completely failed. His Hon. Friend deserved the thanks of the House for having brought forward the motion, as it would be productive of benefit. He himself for five years had made motions on the same subject, but it was not one that could be dealt with by individuals, it was one that must be undertaken by the Government. He believed, however, that since he first brought the question before the House many ameliorations had taken place, and that the consequence of his motions was increased comforts for the persons engaged as sailors in the royal navy, so that some good had resulted from the agitation of the subject, though he had not completely succeeded. He was glad to hear that sailors were not to be immediately punished, but that some time was to elapse after the committal of the offence, and he should. he glad if there were lair! annually on the table of the House a return of the number of punishments inflicted on board each ship in his Majesty's service. He considered, that if the Fiona:: negatived die present motion, and refused to entertain it, that would be construed into a desire of their wishing that the system should be conti nued.—(No, Sir E. CODRINGTON thought that if the Hon. Member for Sheffield would consent to alter the latter part of his motion, he would render it more acceptable to the House. The Gallant Admiral then alluded to the cruel ties inflicted on seamen by the system of impressment. One case hail come under his notice which he would locu tion :—A sailor was impressed at Douglas, in the Isle of Man, some years ago, and carried on board the fi et. He was sent on foreign service, and kept there for several years, till at last he fill into a consumption, and came home merely to die. This man was the last of a large family, who hail al! died in his Majesty's teirvice. He riaild, if necessary, give many ooh , r instances of the same kind. His objection to impressoient was, that under the pretence of impressing, it gave an opportunity of sending all the rogues and vagabonds in the country that the M a gistrates were anxious to get rid of, on hoard the fle e t.— (A e laugh.) He remembered, whe n h e w last appointe t, sev en . an 3-t wenty min wer e sent fill hoard , aiin who had just been tali , n out of irons. In order to ascer tain whetoer they were tit for any thine, they lied a wit, thein f tryi ng whit-.their hands .• e r e ma d e ; un iok nia.vgy to th e h an d s o f th ese wen , b e ! nan d t h ey were : a s soft as those of Nailing ladies, and fit tor no purvise to at he knew of but picking packets.—(A tau di.) He gave novice that was Impossible they could be usetu' to hitt., arid they would il-rtiorabz • his crew ; lout the answer w as, that 't was desirible that they should leay.. Landon, an that the Lot fi alayor wi s h e d r t. H e conti i ce d , b oo ever. t() vet rid of them tiltinuate:y. Anielter class of persons Jen sent to the fleet uav poachers—a class nut very se reeafole on hand, and who certainly did not ini• !:rove, either as comp my or in u•efulttess, at sear With regard to the impressment, of seaman, he thought that if it were lawful, the law ought to be aim le, ra t ed* Atl e law at present st od, die m n wear not askdd if they chose to serve; they were turned ao Wahl the t; th e y were not ahowrd to r•ommatrii. a , e wi h their friends, and there.was a I ,tv by which they tv, re not allowed 10 go ashor e for ft ar they siteuld desert. If hers w as anything in the vvorld to wt i t ch he could apply crock) and oppresa on, it was tr is.—(Hear, hear.) Bat t' e ovum's of these regulations was, t:,at the more valuable the man, the more he suffered. He bad known an ansianee of a moat valuable man—a boatswain, who had served for five years 'with the fleet. He (Sir E. Codrington) had never refused him leave to go ashore when he wished to go, for he knew that the confidence would not be abused. At the end of five years that man came to him (Sir E. C.) to ask his discharge, as he wished to go to London to at tend en his father (who was a waterman) and mother, both of whom were old and infirm ; and he added that he had no wish to leave the service, but would return to it as soon as he had seen his parents laid in the grave. His (Sir Edward Codrington's) answer was, that he was so valuable a seaman th at he was sure it would he useless to ask his discharge, for he was sure it would not be granted. The sailor then said that he would willingly give eighty guineas to get his discharge. Upon this he (Sir E. Codrington) wrote to the Admiralty, stating the circumstances of the case ; that this man had been impressed, and that be was willing to give eighty gui neas for his discharge; hut the answer was a direct refusal. Jr was such conduct as this which gave disgust hi the navy. He, therefore, said, that if the motion of the Honourable Gentleman had been so worded as not to be decidedly objectionable, he would sup port it. His opinion was that the King ought to have the power to call every man into the service of the country in times of absolute necessity ; hut he also thought that every man ought to be recompensed according to his ser vices whenever an opportunity offered. So far, however, was that from being the case at present, that the more va luable the seaman was, so touch more cruelly did he suffer It was impossible to say that justice was done to the navy even in times of peace. He (Sir E. Codrington) knew that when he presented memorials to the House com plaining of a hardship, the Right Hon. Baronet, the First Lord of the Admiralty, was himself the first to oppose it lie was surprised then to hear the Right Hon. Baronet speak of justice as he had done. He (Sir E. Codrington) chuld produce an order issued by the Admiralty which had disgusted the whole naval service; and he could as sure the House that it would not be so easy, in conse quence of the aiisgust, to man the navy, even at present, were it not for the difficulty of obtaining other employ ment. He hoped the Hon. Member would word his motion so as to meet the opinions stated in the House, and he was sure that he would get the better part, and perhaps a majority, in his favour ; and he would have his (Sir E. Codrington's) support at all events. Alderman THOMPSON was rejoiced to hear the state ment made by the Hon. anal Gallant Admiral opposite, and he hoped it would meet with attention from the House. He had long felt that it teas a gross abuse of power to press seamen into the service against their will. Why should the system of impressment be necessary in the navy inure than in the army? Wray should not bounties be given to individuals volunteering into the Navy? He was aware that bautyies would entail a considerable expense on the country, but that was preferable to such gross injus flee. He could not altogether approve of the resolution as proposed by the Hon. Member for Sheffield. If the Hon. Member, instead of the abstract proposition, had made a motion, pledging, the House to take the qtiestion into consideration next session, or for the appointment of a Select C arnosittee to inquire into the subject, he (Alder man Thompson) was sure that the House would be more ready to assent to it. He did not think there could be a better p-riod for calling the subject of impressment into consideration thin the present. Mr. ROBINSON said, the resolution declared that the sys-em was cruel, inefficient, and so on. If this were affirmed try the House, the system must necessarily be (Jim continued, and that without any inquiry. He would, therefore, oppose the motion, but mere!) , on the point it form ; but he could nut affirm such a resolution as this was, looking as he did to the pass to which it might bring them Captain ELLIOT did not see what the faults which the Hon. and Gallant Admiral found with the Admiralty, had to do with the question of impressment,—( Hear, hear.) The Hon. Member for Sheffield had alluded to the extent to which desertion was carried on at Gibraltar during the war. He (Captain Elliot) adrui red th at there was desertion to a consider able extent, but he hail feund, in the course of his experience, that the desertion was less freqiient among the imp essed men that, among the volun tens. Time volunteers had teen always found ready t o desert, because it gave •hem en opportunity of getting the bounty over ag lin. But desertion was not confined to the British navy, and could not, therefore, b• a triboted to the impressment. D sertion was frequent from both the French and A rierican navies.—(Hear, eear.) The French system, which the lion. Member had 40 highly p z , d, was no oth r than a system to impressment under a dif ferent name. A ca e had oreorr din Fiance, in which, out of 1,500 seamen, 700 had deserted, and not seven nil that num ter ever retut lied to their duty. This s owed that ti sertiot, was even inare common in the French than in the RI itish navy. With reg ird to the opinion of S t , E 'ward Pellew, he (Captain Elliot) had had the lomoor of serving under Ilia., anal he knew that, so far from not approving of impressing seamen, he had on many occasions pressed men fr m merchantmen in the Me diterranean, and had blamed him (Captain Elliot) and other officers, whom he thought too remiss in doing the same. If it were necessary, he could produce Inure than 20 plans which had been laid before the Admiralty, for toe abolition of tne system, but what they all recom mended was forced servitude and registration.—(Heat, hear.) Tire system of tegistration might, perhaps, answer in France, but in his (Captain Elliot's) opinion, it would be impracticable in this country. Sailors would feasts their homes and never return, and it would be impossible to keep up the registers. He had never seen an instance of a man continuing sulky or discontented, because he had been impressed. Latterly service on board of men of war was preferable to that on board of merchantmen. Toe loss of men had been ascertained to be less, even during the last war, on hoard of men of war than or, board of met chantmen. The health and comfort of tat m-n was fierier provided for, the pay was better, and they were [setter clothed ; so it was to he hoped that the diffi culty of manning the navy would not he so great in future. After a few words from Sir E. CODRINGTON, in ex planation, . . Colonel WILLIAMS stated a case which had come un der his notice. A foreigner had been pressed into the King's service, and continued in it for sixteen years and eleven months, when he was disaiarged. This man sub sequently wandered about the country for six years, in absolute want, no pension having been granted to him ; but happening to come before him (Colonel Williams) as a magistrate, he ascertained his story, and immediately wrote to the Acltniralty, and by return of post he got an answer, ttating that the man should have a pension.— (Hear.) Yet in this case there was a manifest injustice, for the man was clearly entitled to his pension during the six years. Colonel TORRENS moved as an amendment, " That it is the opinion of this House, that it is just and expe dient to regulate and mitigate the system of forcibly impressing seamen into his Majesty's service, in every way not inconsistent with the powers of the Crown in cases of emergency. to man the royal navy•" An Horr. MEMBER seconded the motion, Mr. LABOUCHERE did not think that the power to impress sh.,uld be resorted to but in extreme cases. But he considered it inconvenient that abstract resolutions of this kind should be brought forward. The abuse of the system in former times was what was principally objected to ; but he thought there was little danger of any such abuse in future. He did not think it either safe or right to deprive the King of the power of impressing under the responsibility of his Ministers in cases of such emergency, such as an unexpected war. He hoped that the House would not abolish the system, but that they would watch strictly over the uses made of the power. He concluded by saying he would oppose the resolution in its present shape. Mr. COBBETT said that this impressment ba , l cost the country 70,000 0001. during one war. Toe impressing of seamen on b and of American ships by 13, itisl3 otficeis was the cause oft e Ames jean war, and the American war co t this cwintr) 70.000.0001. BUCKINGHA h'A intended to modify his reso, hoion lit-fore he wa, aware that the Hon. arvi Gallant Aletub,r for B iltoo 'men .ed to move his ',solution. Grimier' TORRENS.,, upon this, agreed to withdraw am,ndinent, which was acc,rdingly done. Mr. BUCKINGHAM then nyweel a resolution— " 'that it is the duty of this House to avAl i , self of the present period of profound pe , ee,, to institute an inquiry' whether some (walls may not he devisee] of manning his Alai:"Y's ships in tutle .1 war, wi bout having rectum, to toe prairtire of forcible impressment." h.id not the smallest hesitation thattat if it were possible for this country. as a e, to et rid eneirely of the system o f i in presstnent, he should be as desirous as any one to get ; ri d state, t of it. But it appeared to him to be a necessary evil, which it was not possible enter ly to avc,id. His Hon. Friend near him had stilted eirciiiastinces, such as the ruiraking out of a sudden war and the necessity of an immediate armament, which would render a system of voluntary entolment of semen entirely inouffieient for the itianaiug of his !Majesty' s ships ut war in time to prey, ni the retire destruetom of our coma - rem!. Be:r.re we e ould fit out any miu;idroii of defence, the sea wool,. lie brvelA of Britian ureichantrrien. He would veottrre. therefore, to say, that on the day ola which the country d preyed the &merrier ok the prerogative of impressment, the tatty4l, superiority of Qreat Britain would or at an t earl. At the same time he wil lingly admitted, that evcry means ou b ht to be resorted to clueing peace to render the service so aeeepiahle to mt. firm-8, that it would he unnecessary in time of war to have recourse to impressment, except in extreme cases. such as those to which he had alluded. Every encouragement ()tight to he afforded—among others, perhaps, exemmi n from duty after a certan period of service—to keep tl commercial marine so disposed towards the ro, al irarins, as to secure a constant arid ample supply to the later. i t was the duty of his Majesty's Government in tim- of peace t adopt su,th measures as might render the necessity of impressment in time of war as small as possible nor could never agree to a proposal which went to deprive th e Crown of the prerogative of impressment altogett.er. Such was the object of the original motion and speech of the Hon. Member for Sheffield. That Ron. Meer. her had been complimented on the moderation of his speech. In tl . e justice of that compliment he could not concur. When he heard an Hon. Member say that the exercise of his Majesty's prerogative of impressment not only would be resisted, but ought to he resisted, lie cen t iinly could not compliment that Hon. Member nn his Ince &ration. The Hon. Member for Middlesex had said that no time was improper for the introduction of such a sub. jest. He (Lord Althorn) was not of that opinion; and thought hat the present time was peculiarly unfit for its introduc tion. Of course nothing could be done on the subject in he present session. Was it then expedient, at the end of session, when they could not proceed to the adoption of any practical measure, that that House should pass a isolation, holding out to the great body of mariners 1):!'ooging to the country that the system of impressment w a s to be done away with ? Wss it expedient to do this—at least until the House was satisfied of that, of which he (Lott' Althorn) was by no means satisfied—namely, that the step one which could be taken with safety to the country? As to the system of enrolment, and i.f g m the enrolled men, that would be impressment to a certain xtent. In his opinion, such a pi ,n would be found impracticable. But even if it were practic ible, he doubted whether it would put the sailors of this country in a better condition on the subject than that in which they were at present. On the contrary, he believed it would place them in a much worse condition. No doubt there were in my cases of impressment which were cages of extreme hardship. But several of the cases which had been that night quoted were cases of illegal impressment. If they were to abolish any prerogative of the Crown because it might be sometimes abused, no prerogative would be safe. As the motion at present stood, it pledged the House to into a Committee of Inquiry next session. Now, let them consider what would be the effect of their agreeing to such a proposition on every person en gaged in the commercial marine of the country. It was not his intention, however, to meet this modified motion aid, a direct negative, although he should certainly have treated it in that manner as it originally stood. He felt more than doubt, however, whether at any time an ad. quate substitute could be found for the existing system., When the possibility of a sudden armament, and the necessity in such a case of sending ships to foreign st ,tions were considered, it seemed to hint to be utterly impossible to think of entirely giving up the system. The lion. Member for Oldham had said, that asserting the right of impressment had cost this coun ry the expense of the last American war. Now the assertion of the right of impressment WAS not the sole cause of that war. But even it it hid, and feeling it as he always should feel it to be a great calamity to be at war with that State, it must be recollected, that if the power of impressment occasioned that mischief. the power of impressment also gave us that navel superiotity which we had so gloriously asserted. He allowed that if a system could he devised which would render the necessity of impressment as small as possible, that system ought to be adopted by his Majesty's Government. On the pres-nt occasion, however, he should conclude with moving the previous question. Mr. CoBBETT said, as he could not give his sanction to any expression that might seem to take away his Ma jesty's prerogative, it the Hon. Member tor Sheffield had persevered in his original motion, he should have voted tgainst it. For the modifi .d motion he shwa , ' cl , ainly vote. Although he thought that the Right Hon. the First Lord o f the Admiralty had dealt rather hardly with, the Hon. Member for S wffiel , l, yet all the test of the Right Hon B r.inet's speech had given him (Mr. Coh. belt) great satisfaction. A divi.ion flok Ware— For the previous question 59 Against it 84 Majority —s A loud cheer accompanied the antiouogewelit of tl e numbers. PRUSSIAN TARIFF. Mr. ROBINSON rose in putsuioc, of his novice to ca I the iateritoin of his Majesty's G ivernment to t•te ~oe se nl mom relit policy which had tor some time been pursued by the King of Prussia. He lielh veil he might say that that course, if not unprecedented, was at least utiosu ,I, and that it was the duty of the G tvernment of Great Britain to take notice of it. He did not wish to itespasa upon the prtience of the House, fir less was he tesirous of provoking discussion ; he should therefore state as briefly as possible the circumstances on which he founded his motion.—( Hear.) It was g-nerally known and und-rstood that the Prussian Government con tintral to impose most burdensome otriea on Ili itish com merce, notwithstanding we had, in many instances, during the last few years, lowered the duties on Prussian coin - mere-. But when he told the House that the Prus..ian Government was endeavouring to embrace, within her own commercial code, a large portion of Germany, he thought they would agree with him, that if that G ivern ment were allowed to do so, the consequenc e would be insist injurious to our commerce and manufactures. The het was, however, that Prussia had concluded treati a extending her commircial code with the Grand Duchy of Hesse--the Elector if Hesse; and that negotiations to the same effect were pending with Saxony, Bavaria, the Grand Melly of Mecklenburg, and Wittenberg. The object of all those proceedings was, if not to exclude, at l, ast to limit the sale of British manufactures, in that large por tion of the European empire. Prussia had undoubtedly a right to adopt any commercial measures which she might think conducive to her own interests. Bat when she endeavoured to engraft her own system on States that ought to be wholly independent of her, we had a right to say to her, " You are entitled to do what yon choose with respect to your own commercial arrange ments, but you are not entitled to press on other States arrangements, the t ffects of which must be injurious to the commerce of Great Britain." He took it for granted that the Noble Secretary of State for Fuieign Affairs was perfectly apprised of all that bad taken place on the subject. He did not make the motion with any view adverse to his Alajest) l B Government, but with the object of impressing on that Government the absolute necessity of doing all it could to preserve British com merce, at a time at which it was exposed (but of that be did not complain) to the rivalry of so many foreign states. He was no advocate lor a system of commercial hostility against Prussia, or any other power. On the contrary, he wished most sincerely, that all nations would adopt a system of liberal policy in that respect towards one another, and he thought it would ill become this country nut to set an example of such policy. But he was the more anxious to draw the attention of his Majesty's Government to the conduct of Prussia, because we had already lowered the duties on hemp and flax, and if we contemplated any alteration in the duties on Prussian timber or grain, we ought to do what all sagacious Governments would do on similar occasions, and be more alive to the expediency of obtaining, or at least of endea vouring to obtain, an equivalent advantage to our own produce and manufactures. Let the House Itii Ic at the heavy duties imposed by Prussia upon our hardware, upon our woollen goods, upon our refined sugar ; 'mil let them consider that that was not all ; but that Prussia kept increasing those duties, while we were decreasing the duties on Prussian produce. Let ;hem also consider, that while Prussia was endeavouring t. O exclude, or at least to limit the introducti o n of Brilistk manufactures into Prussia, or any part of Germany, ';he evied A duly on the exportation of wont, the raw metert LI f one of our principal roanu:ac•ures, and that th e oloption of this duty was one of the conditions which she ,vas endeavouring ttl impose on the eviler es. W h at ;could be the condition of our ma.nuficto;,,,, if ' h e „ o „,.„, mum pursued la, Prussia were to he Aupied by the o , her Stares, including Saxotty ; amt if, as was contemplated, the existing duty on wool of a p•nny a pun , ' was ihnibi-d 04 ) , e the next clipping ? Wna, h:s Alajesty's Government meant to di, on los s o j est he knew not ; b ut it wis a question of so much conim rid imporranee to the coon ,,y, that 11, ortil., eat all ivv the session to close witih•ot ,oticmg it. He believed that one of the objects vviich ; , hrtoila hail in vi e w was c.i force this country to aster the 411 n laws and t'.e timber duties. P ussia said-- En (xchide. ~ u r tmo.er and corn ; liath n wrier od e of comp e lling her to admit them than t:3 torn, such 'vague in ern my against her produce mid iiianWactores, rn y eottiptl t,er our timber stud corn, at th" i•ast evil." If we yielded to other states any adv , nratres in point of duties, we were ontitled on a prio ,, ple of vv,,r1,1. America ha d r'"""Y al t er' d, st (I w:seiy sit .