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'PUS held at the Educational Institution, Aldersgate- street, for the purpose of hearing a statement of the proceed ings of this successful society during the past year, and for the purpose of balloting for thirty rights of choice of allotment . on the estates it at present holds. Mr. J. TZULON, in opening the proceedings of the even- int, said they had expected to have had the pleasure of having Lawrence Heyworth, Esq., M.P., theirpresident, in the chair, but that gentleman had sent a letter of apology to their manager stating that important Parliamentary business prevented him from attending, at the same time stating that the society had his best wishes for its success. Under these circumstances he had great pleasure in moving that Dr. - Hewlett do take the chair. (Cheers.) The motion having been seconded, was put to the meet. lag, and carried unanimously. Dr. HEWLETT having taken his seat, said he had great Pleasure in occupying the chair at this their second annual meeting, though he had expected to have had the gratifi nation of seeing Lawrence Heyworth, Esq., present that evening. Parliamentary duty, however, prevented that gentleman attending; but it was something for the share holden to know, that their society had the best wishes of that gentleman for its prosperity and success. The busi ness' to be transacted was plain and simple ; they had, during the past year, transacted a large business, and they had secured a large number of new members. The executive committee had resolved to hold a ballot monthly, for thirty rights of choice, to which would be added ten rights from the rotation list. (Cheers.) Members obtain ing those rights would not be compelled to exercise them on the estates at present held by the society, but were at liberty to hold them over and exercise their privilege on any of the estates that would be kurehased, and which they might prefer. He would eallupon their manager to read the minutes of their last seinnal meeting, and on their receiving the sanction of the shareholders he would affix his signature to them. • • - Mr: TAyLoR, the manager, having read the minutee,and the meeting having confirmed thorn, The CHAIRMAN said the next duty that devolved upon . him as their chairman was to place before them a state ment of their past and future proceedings. The directors, in meeting the members on this their second anniversary, had to report an amount of business and success which, ender all circumstances, might be considered profitable to the members, and encouraging to all parties concerned. Though the igh price of provisions had doubtlessly pre vented some from taking new shares, and induced others to.withdraw and to sell their rights of choice, yet it was gratifying to know that in the case of unexpected distress some of the members have had that distress completely re lieved, not by pauperising their.spirit, but by encouraging their forethought and independence—they gladdened their families by taking to them a sum of ' money equal in some cases, and exceeding in others three times, the amount they had paid into the funds of the society.. In this respect the benefit of the society-was not , limited merely to the provision of money for the time of need, 'but it ex tended to the cultivation of provident and independent habits, and that man was net worthy of the name of an Englishman who did not set a higher value on one shilling of his own honest earnings than on ten given by the hand of charity. (Cheers.) After alluding to the dismissal of their late manager, the chairman said, in seeking a new manager, the directors advertised in the leading daily journals, and upwards of one hundred applications were received. After much and frequent consideration four applicants were selected as candidates, and out of that number, all things considered, the directors were nnani , mously of opinion that Mr. Jonathan Taylor was the most suitable person to fill the office of manager ; and the direc tors were happy to state that, since Mr. Taylor had been in office, his character and conduct had justified all the hopes and expectations they had entertained in making this selection, which they firmly believed the members would unanimously and heartily confine. The in - creasing business and growingimportanee of the society required offices more public and more prominent than those in Fenchureh-buildings---offices which the members might have access to at. any time tOtransact business or make inquiries connected with the- society. Many mem bers having found that • the - portions of land allotted to theta were but of little use without some means to assist them in building, it was therefore deemed advisable to add the Building Department—though it was much to be re gretted that but few of the members had availed them selves of the advantages of that portion of the society's operations ; yet there was but little doubt that when the advantages were better known, the members would gladly adopt the necessary means to make them their own . During the past year the directors have added four estates to the property of the society, severally situate in Barking read, North Woolwich, Kingston, and Plaistow; and, since the close of the society's year, they have purchased another very valuable estate in the Wellington-road, 13 0w -road. The attention - et the directors had also been *ailed to a great number of other estates, all of which they had visited and deemed it prudent to decline, in some instances from the enormously high prices required for them, and in others on account of their unfitness for building purposes. During the past year 152 allotments of land had been distributed amongst the members, and there were now 72 rights of choice drawn, and the num ber of allotments unappropriated was 42, exclusive of the ?laistow and Barking-road estates ; the plan of the former would be shortly ready for the members to Choose from. The directors had the gratification to announce that the ballots would for the future take place monthly, at each of which 30 rights would be taken from the ballot division and 10 from the rotation list. Their manager, Mr. Taylor, would read to them the balance sheet. This having been done, and the adoptionof the report said balance sheet having been moved by the Chairman, Mr. BARNES said he thought it would give the assem bled shareholders confidence if he, as one of the auditors, seconded the proposition. (Cheers.) The motion having beenput to-the meeting, was carried unanimously. The CHAIRMAN, in a highly eulogistic manner, thou moved the confirmation of 'the appointment of Mr. J. Taylor as manager of the Lonrion and SuburbanTreehold Land Soeiety. , The motion having boen•seconded was put by the chair man, and was declared by him to be carried unanimously. Mr. T.ereoe, in returning thanks, said he thought his future actions in behalf of 'the society would best testify hie appreciation of the hone& thee liad done hire, and if the shareholders would only exert tbentselves as he in tended to do, their society, prosperous of -it was, I would soon stand forth in a proud position, and 'for Dumber of shareholders equal the most flourishing and prosperous of these useful and admirable institutions. He begged again most sincerely to thank them for the honour they had done him. (Cheers.) The auditors having been unanimously re-elected, Mr. BARNES returned thanks. Tho CHAIRMAN said he should be happy to answer any question that might be put to' him. None h avin g been asked, A SHAREHOLDER said the fact of not one question having been asked proved that they were all highly pleased at what they had heard. (Cheers.) The retiring directors wereethen unanimously re-elected, and an addition of the followring gentlemen was made to the list:—Messrs. Watkins, Moore, Bradley, Marcus Voss, Green, and Odiham. A vote of Hanks having 'been carried to the chairman, Dr. Hewerrr said he sincerely and heartily thanked them for their kindness, He was sure the meeting would ex ense his vacating the chair ; but being an invalid, he felt it necessary to do so. Mr. Yates would have great pleasure in presiding over the interesting portion of their proceed ing —he meant the ballot. The rev. gentleman then re tired, amid loud cheers.. The balloting then commenced, the care of the wheel having been confided to Mr., Bermes. The following were the successful members :-728, 811, 854 , 804, 882, 827, 755, 603, 662, 329, 751, 592, 791, T. 66, , 441 , 359, 601, 490, 885, 665, 140, 264, 808, 839, 7 6 7, 876 , 708, 611, 275, 867. The proceedings then terminated. lIXPOBTATION OF ARMS AND AM3IU- NITION. The Lords of the Treasury have agreed to the follow itlg Minute on this subject : COPY OF I TREASURY MINUTE DATED FEB. 24, 1854. My Lords refer to their minute of the 21st inst., having reference to the recent proclamation prohibiting the export of fire arms and other ammunitions of war, and furnishing instructions to the Commissioners of Cus toms as to the manner in which such prohibition may in certain cases be modified or dispensed with. Mr. Wilson states to the board that cases have arisen in which such prohibited articles having been shipped in vessels professedly destined to a particular port, to which objection was not likely to be made, have been in reality carried to other ports, to which per mission would not have been granted, against which practice my lords think it necessary to take further precaution ; their lordships therefore desire that the Commissioners of Customs may be instructed, that in all cases where permission is given by their officers for the exports of gunpowder, fire-arms, ammu nition, or other articles prohibited by the said proclama tion to any foreign country, a bond shall be taken, in such manner and in such form as the commissioners shalt direct ; that the said articles shall be duly landed ut th e port for which they are professed to be shipped, and which bond shall be discharged only by a certificate from the British consul at such port that the said arti cles hale been so landed. With regard to the removal of such articles coastwise, toy lords are also pl e ased to desire that in all cases in which they consist of gunpowder, arms, or other arti cles of ammunition directly used in warfare, or for war like purposes chiefly, except where the quantities are so . trivial as to raise no suspicion that they are likely to be carried abroad, similar bonds shall be taken for their arriral at the professed port of destination, which a l la l l be discharged by a certificate of the chief officers of suc..4l port. But 11: all cases, even the most trivial, my lords desire th a t a ce rti,lf-ate of their due delivery at such port shall be firinished to the customs authorities of the shipping port. Tra zasmit copy of this minute to the Commissioners of Custo car, and request that they will take steps to give effect , .o it as quickly as possible. .POSTAGE TO HELIGOLAND. GEN KIAL POST-OFFICE, FEB. 1854.—0 n and from the lst Ma rch next, the postage upon letters between the United iiingdorn and Heligoland, forwarded by private Either direct or vi 3, Cuxhaven or Hamburerh, will be red' teed to 6d. iicr a letter not exceeding half an ounce in weight. 10, foe . a letter exceeding half an ounce, but not ex (AV" ; 2 s . f or aletter exceeding one ounce, but not exceed ing two "' lnc " ; and 'so on, accL 'rding to the scale in operation for charging inland letters ; \nd newspapers will be chargeable with Postage of one 1, vonY each. and newspapers the postage must 1 4 1 m both lette_v be paid in advance. , , Books, magazines re views, and pamphlets cannot, ' l l futu re , b e sent to 'breligoland except at the ordinary rates of postage chargeable for letters. The corn tspondence for Heligoland is now forwarded by private a Oip, unless specially addressed to be uther• will* lent. • • " - rSIIARE: - I‘l A R - KZT S. _(THIS DAY.) BRITISH RAILWATS. RAILWAYS. Aberdeen , Ambg. Nottrig. Bost and Eastai. Belfast & Ballymena. Birming. Wolverh. & Stour Valley Birkenhd. Lancsh. & Cheshire Junct Do. Chesh. & Birk., £5O and £25 Cons. Do., £2O. Blyth &Tyne original £25 (issd. at £45) Bristol and Exeter Caledonian Chester & Holyhead. Cork and Bandon... Cork, Black, & Pass Cornwall Crieff Junction Dublin&BelfastJunc Dundee Perth &Aber - deen Junction ..... . Do. New. .... . East Anglian Do., (eIB E &H) Eastern Counties Eastern Union, A Stock Do., B. Stock Do., New A. • • ' East Lancashire Edinburgh&Glasgew Edinb. and Peebles..', Edin. Prth. & Dundee Forth & Clyde June. Glasgow& S. Western Great Northern Stk. Do., A. Stock Do., B. 5t0ck...... . Gt. Sth. &West. (Ire. ) Great Western Irish South-Eastern Lancaster & Carlisle Do., Thirds Do. New Thirds • Laucash.andYorksh Do., Fifths D a., Wst. Riding Tin. Leeds Northern Liv. Crsby. &Southpt London & Blaelthrall Lond. Tilb. & Sthend. Loud. Bright & S.Cst. Lond. and N. Westn. Do. Fifths 1 1D0.101.5h.,M&8...0 Do. Eighths Lonalon and S. Westn Do., £5O Do., £4O Lndndrry& Coleraine Lndndrry. & Ennisk. Hanch.Shef.& Lincln Do., Man. & Lin. Un Midland Do. Birmng. &Derbyl Aidld. G. We st. (Ire.) Do. Half Shares Newcastle & Carlisle Newmarket Do., Bury Extension. Nwpt.Aberg. & Ilrfd Newry & Enniskillen Newry Warrenpoint and Rostrevos Norfolk .... • Northn.Counties Un North British North Devon, No. 1. Do., No. 2 Do., A Deferred Do., B Guaranteed] North London IDo. New £lO 1 N.&S.Wstrn.,Hatnp 1 1 stead, and City Ju North Staffordshire North Western & S. Westrn. June, Nuneaton, Hinckley ; and Leicester.. Oxford, Woreester,li Wolverhampton Portsmouth Scottish Central Scottish Midland Shrewsbury & Bit mg Do. L. & N. Weateru Guaranteed S 1 wk Shrewsby. & Herefd Shrewsby. & Chester (N. W. Min ; Do. Halves,l s. Do. Oswestry Shropshire Union Do. A, B, C,&D;ftilly paid up at per cent South Devon South Eastern South Wales S. Yrksh. dt Riv. Dun Do taines,Wok. &Wok Stockton & Darling. Stockton & Hartlepi. Taff Vale . Do. £lO shares. Do. Pref., No. Thames Haven Dock and Railway ' Vale of Neath ' Waterfd. & Kilkenny Waterford&Limeriek West Cornwall. West Eikl of London' and CrAStal Palace. 'l • West London Wimbledn & Croydon York Newctl.&Berw. Do. Extensions Do. G.N.E. Purchase, York & N. Midland 1 Clo■int Prices this daY.I 20 - 214 5' - 8 - 9 11 9 disi 17 19 6i 5Ad 94 - 96' 55i - 56 154 -16 i 13 - 1341 ii ::: *4:6 7- 84 4i- li Ili -13 k 65 67 60 •- 64 22 -- 24 - ••• • 92i 931 7J 81 127 - 129 '95 - , 97 81 - 811 92 -- 95 124 -- 136 12 —.13-p 67i -- 68 61 6id iii = ii 8 1 Pte'-,4 p 88 1 102 - 10'44 Par-. 5P 80 --- 9 d 7'd - 6a —62 i 35 37 ' .. • pox 5 2/._ 3 6 8 48 -- 50 3la 34' 35 8 10 - 52 - 55 ••• ••• 76 8 34 - 35 89 91 54 - 58 - 55 - 60 3 - 2 16 18 8 9 12 13 31 —31 d 14 -. 16 63 35 36 2 d -- par 4 5 30 - 32 ... .: - . .. -2i - 2i 1.5 A 5i 5g 24:- 26 C - 7 6 -- 7 69 70 7til d 44 3 4 . 8 a --4 Jj PREFERENCE SHARES. berdeen Do. No. 2, 7 p. C. Blyth and Tyne 10 per c. pref. (issd. at 501) Bris. & Ex. 4 p. c. St. Do. 4 p. c. Shares Caledonian XlO Chester Sc Holyhead Guar. 51 per cent Cork &Ba.ndousi p.c Dundee Perth &Aber-, deen Junction EastAnglian (X3los) 6 per cent Do. (£5) 7 per cent Do. (£7 17s) 7 p. c Eastern Counties Ex , tension, 5 p. c. No. 1 Do. No. 2 00. New 6 p. C. St Eastern Union, Scrip Guar. 6 per cent Do. 5i., 10 per cent. Do. 10/. Debentr.Sh- East Lancash . 6 p. cts. East and West York shire June. Pref EdiubPrth.&Dundee 5.1 per cent._ 11;sgowSt S.Westorli Guar. 5 per cent.... ..rest Northn. 5 p. c. Do. 5 p. c. Redeem., at 10 p. c. preen... Do. 4 l p.c. Scrip.... Gt.N. of Scot. let Ptef Gt, Southn. &Westin. (Ireland) Eighths) Do. 4 per c. Pref. Sh„ Gt. Westn. (Berke & Hants Ex. 5 p. c).. Do. cov. red. 4i p.c. Do. con, red. 4 p. c. Do. irred. 4 p. c Lan. & York. F. £2O Do. 6 p. c. Stock Leeds N. 6 p. c. No, 1 Do. Quarters, 1848 London and Brighton Guaranteed 5 p. c Do. Pref., 5 p. c. St Do. Convertible, 5 p c., 1852 Do. New Guar.6 p. c Lou. &N. W., Coy. & Nuneaton London & S. Western Con. Thirds Londonderry& Color I i Shares ILondY. Sc Enui s . A sh 1 ' Ni llo. an. Nw£ 8lie.1C1 17: . L 1 ... i . n — : Shares, Do. £6 Marypt .&Carl.4 p.c. I Do. 41 per cent..,,.,, Do Mid. Consoi.6 p.c.St. Do. Cousol. Bristol & Birm. 6 per cent.... 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Midland IL wad 5, Pucla 99 -i1 • • • ••• 61 - 61 3 - 4 -- 4¢ P liP - lgp 13i - 14 3a 3a li6 —us 107 - 109 - PI 71 -- 8 64 98 100 90 95 94 96 3a pal 137 139 • • • "..". • 21 - 2 12 - 13 i 7 96 6 10 i Par P 13 6 - 138 11 -i, 102 - 104 1 i - 1 };. 9i -- 10 16i -- 17 10 -10 i 13 -- 15 id -- 234 -- 24 17 : io 93 - 95 3i - 4 id, Bashiess dohs this day. .211 20/.1/ 25 25 18 20 St. 50 St. 16 16 20 20 10 10 20 St. St. St. St. 26 13J 20 20 20 20 50 20 \ 1 ~. T S 13;;.144 , 111 0 Nee 4T, S IVAN EEN ?Mil,- PitS,ll,l7 AMY,. .9.8 L 'IINES - ItAASD" AT FIXED REI4TAI,S7-?-• IMPERIAL P,ARLIAMENT. this day. Pald.l Leasing Company. BlL4ilte9B this day. HOUSE OF LORDS-4YESTEADAY.) REFORM OF - THE COMMON LAW. The LORD CHANCELLOR then proceeded to call the attention of the house to the second report of the Common Law Commissioners. The first report of the commissioners related to the subject of special pleading, and the amendments introduced into the law in - conse= - quence of that report had proved most beneficial.- In the second - report, the commissioners considered the :ques tion what amendments could be -made on the trial of matters in dispute. One of their first . reconimenda tions was, that whenever both parties wished to have the matter tried by a judge without i jury, it should be competent for them to have it so :decided: He could not quite agree to this -recommendation unmodified, for several reasons, which he detailed ; and therefore he. pro posed that whenever both' parties wished the'matter to be tried by a' judge, without a jury, it - should be with this limitation—if the judge should think fit, or if the case came within certain general rules, to be framed by the judges. This would be a safe step, and if experience proved the system to work well, it might then be easily . extended. The Commissioners next recommended that cases involving matters of account should at once. be sent to a referee without coming to the court.. This he approved. A number of improvements were also recom mended in the trial by jury itself, nearly all of which he accepted. At present a distinction was made bet ween com mon and special jurors ; but it was proposed, and he con curred, that an alteration should be made by raising the qualification, and by providing that there should be onlyone panel for both. Some alterations were recommended in the mode of trial, by both parties having the right of ad dressing the coin t after having called their witnesses. These he approved, Ana should adopt. Some technical alterations, which he approves; were also recommended, which he need notrdeteil ; but there was one he might mention. ' The rule of. calling attesting witnesses to prove documents iwould- be-abolished except in certain cases. He did not propose - to 'lnterfere with the rule which required unanimitylin the jury; but if the jury could not agree within a given time, say twelve hours, then they would be discharged, the judge having in the meantime the power of ordering reasonable refresh ments. In the case of a jury not_ agreeing and being 'discharged there Would:- be a new -trial. These were the principal recommendations relative to the jury. Another recommendation had great good sense in it. It was that the evidence of parties who had con scientious scruples to take an oath might be re ceived, if the judge was satisfied their scruples were conscientious. But he was extremely reluctant to give up the security which was ensured by the oath ; therefore the oath would be retained, except in the case of those persons who stated they held conscientious ob jections to it. Having detailed, the recommendations with respect to the proof of handwriting, and the re ception of insufficiently stamped documents, which he adopted, the noble and learned lord referred to several others to which he could not accede, and which therefore he did not intend to propose. He then mentioned that the court which had adjudicated upon a case would have the power of issuing an injunction to prevent a repeti tion of the injury, but he did not propose to give the common-law courts the power of issuing decrees for spe cific performance. The commissioners recommended greater facilities with respect to equitable defences. He proposed also that equitable defences should be pleaded in bar to the action. After some further explanations, the noble and learned lord laid a bill upon the table, which, after the second reading, he proposed to refer to a select 'committee, the committee to meet imme diately after the return of the Lord Chief Justice from circuit. Lord CAMPBELL' pointed out several details in the bill which would require great - consideration, but gave it a general approval. He expressed his satisfaction that it was not proposed totalie away the trial by jury, though he admitted there Were - cases in which a single judge would be sufficient. Ile approved, however, of all the improvements- proposed to be introduced into the mode of trial by jury, and-particularly of the discre tion given to the judge in cases where witnesses-had conscientious objections to the taking of an oath. Lord BROUGHAM described his satisfaction at the measure, and mentioned that, without any concert, but I solely from a consideration of principles, the commis sioners and himself had arrived at the same conclusions. 1 1 The bill was a step in the right direction, which, before their lordships had done, he hoped would be converted I into a stride. _ _ COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. The bill was then read the first time, and their lord ships adjourned. • HOUSE OF COMMONS--(YESTERDAY.) MASSACRE OF SINOPE. Sir 11. WILLOUGHBY took the same opportunity of directing attention' - to the destruction of the Turkish flotilla at Sinope on the 30th of November, 1853. On the whole he thought Russia was not to blame for having de stroyed the flotilla, though he took exception to the man ner in which they did it, but the Government were to blame for not having allowed the British squadron to enter the Black Sea in sufficient time to prevent the catas trophe. (Hear, hear.) It was known some time before it occurred that the Russian fleet had left Sebastopol, and Lord Stratford de Redcliffo warned the Government what would happen unless the British squadron was di rected to p Ass through the Bosphorus. It was true that instructions were sent out directing that the Russian autho rities should be warned that if the fleet entered the Black Sea it would be taken as an open act of hostility, and he wanted to knew how it was that this instruction was not carried out until after the affair at Sinope had taken place ? But, putting all that *agile, it was notorious that before a powerful naval force was cruising about Sinope some days before the Turkish flotilla, and he wanted to know what the British squadron was about at the mouth of the Bos phorus while all this reconnoitring was going on. (Hear, hear.) Certainly a fault was committed somewhere, and it was the duty of Parliament to find out with whom the responsibility of the neglect rested. (Hear, hear.) Sir J. GRAHAM reminded the house that this part of the Turkish case was much dwelt upon in the recent lengthezed debate on the Eastern question, and he thought it then received the fullest explanation from the Govern ment. So far back as the Bth of October last, in structions were given to the British squadron that the territory of Turkey on the Black Sea should be pro tected against any Russian attack, and immediately after the affair at Sinope that instruction was extended to protecting the Turkish flag on the Black Sea as well as the Turkish territory. The first of these instructions was not communicated to Russia until after the outrage of Sinope ; he readily admitted that, but the delay which thus took place he thought was fully explained in the blue-books, and to those hooks he must refer the hon. baronet for an answer to his question. (Hear, hear.) It would be seen from the papers, in fact, that Admiral Dundas offered to go into the Black Sea before the Sinope massacre took place, bat by some misfortune he did not obtain any answer from the Turkish Government to this application until After the calamity had happened. (Hear, hear.) It was clear, therefore, that the Turkish Govern ment was alone t o blame for having left their flotilla so unprotected at; Sinope ; while, with regard to the imputations an& insinuations which had been thrown out against Admiral: ,Dundas, he would only stop to say that when the opportunity offered the gallant admiral would show that he was not wanting either in vigour or decision. (Cheers.) Sir DE LACY EV ANS asked what had been the re sult of our examination of the Black Sea. Sir J. GRAHAM salial our cruisers had repeatedly visited Vsrna, the entrance to the Sea of Azoff and coast of Cir cassia, but they had never yet met with a ship bearing the Russian flag. (Hear, bean.) Admiral WALCOTT' availed himself of that opportu nity to denounce the conduct_ of Russia in the Sinope affair, which he thought had inflicted indelible disgrace upon the Russian flag, while the noble, and almost superhuman resistance of the Turkish fleet would reflect honour upon th e eg to the end of time. (Cheers.) The gallant adm a iral insisted that the period had arrived when the liberties of Europe demanded that the• aggressions of Russia, which hitherto had been carried on by means of liplomacy, should be resisted by the force of arms and he there fore rejoiced to hear that our armaments would be carried out upon an extensive and vigorous scale. (Hear.) Mr. HENRY DRUMMOND reminded the house that if the country was to be well served by its officers they must be protected from the attacks of unprofessional critics. (Hear.) He remembered some 30 years ago sailing with the present Admiral Dundas in the Mediterranean, and the admiral then remarking to him—" The time may come when I shall be an admiral having the command of a fleet on this sea in a time of war, and then I believe the greatest difficulty I shall have to contend with will be the sneers and sarcasms of unprofessional members of the Legislature. (Hear, hear.) He hoped that prophecy would be a warning to the house for the future. (Cheers.) Mr. F. FRENCH protested against the House of Com mons being precluded from discussing the conduct of our Admirals on -- the ground just stated. (Hear, hear.) Lord D. STUART said the disaster of Si nope was but the result of the hesitating policy which had been pursued. (Hear, hear.) It was to be seen from the despatches of Lord Stratford how deeply he regretted that the allied fleets did not enter the Black Sea sooner. (Hear, hear.) It was unaccountable that they should have delayed so I,,ng, considering that the instructions were to protect the Turkish forces and territory. For a long time before the affair of Sinope the movements of the Russian fleet were known ; and they had swept the Black Sea two months. Unless the ambassador had received instructions at every hazard to prevent risk of war, the allied fleets would have gone to the rescue of the Turkish squadron. (Hear.) Such a feeble policy would only be calculated to frustrate the very object it had in view. Captain SCOBELL said, when an hon. member asked whether the House of Commons should not discuss why the allied fleets had not entered the Black Sea, the answer was that it must depend on the winds and weather—(hear) —and that it was impossible sitting there to command a fl'eet in the Black Sea. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) Nor cc gild the ambassador at Constantinople do so—it must de tend on the judgment of the admiral. (Hear.) It was sai.l, why had not the English fleet sailed into the Black Sea alone? The answer was, that it would have been most unssise to do so, as it would have been equivalent to attacking _Russia without a declaration of war, and with out the co- operation of France. The fact was that the disaster of S, nope was in a great degree owing to the rash• nesa of the Tu iks, who had remained within a short dis tance of Sebastopol, without any reason at all, except to tempt the Rus uans to attack them, and there was ample justification for the attack, although undoubtedly it had been characterised by needless barbarity. Our fleet was well manned, and ho believed that in any struggle which might ensue our sailors would display that gallantry which had marked their conduct in all previous encounters with the enemy. Lord J. MANNERS asked whether the noble lord (Lord J. Russell) was in possession of any information to the effect that since the British fleet had entered the Black Sea there had been any fresh aggression there on the part of the RUssians. Mr. SANDARS, while be admitted that the affair of Sinope was nothing lees than a savage massacre, was at a loss to determine where the real fault lay. He believed, however, that had we earlier informed Russia of our inten tions and had adopted more energetic measures at the corn , vneneement we should not have found ourselves in so 4.librortuneits phsition. 'rho speech delivered by the hott.naombeifor the West Ridirg (Mr. Cobden), he charac terised as able, bat at the same time dangerous: (Hear ) Although the hon.. member might rot be disposed to go out of his way to prevent the C:ar from entering Constan tinople such was not the sentiment of his constituents. (Hear, hear.) Representing, a borough in the heart of the West Riding he knew that not olLe in 100 shared the opinions of the hon. member. It was hoped that if we went to war we should get ridof the old treaties. (Hear.) He trusted also that in the issue Russia would be taught a lesson to respect the . independence of nations. (Hear.) After a few observations from Mr. IVIURHOUGH and Mr. PHILIPPS ; Lord RUSSELL expressed a hope that the discus sion raised by the hon. baronet (Sir H. Willoughby) might now be considered as finished. Reverting to the question of the noble lord, the member for Colchester (Lord J. Manners); the noble lord said he should have been very glad to have been able to answer it on the moment ; but, as he had not now the papers with him, he could not be sure of the accuracy of any statement. There had been rumours, which afterwards turned out to be false, that an attack had taken place on the Turkish coast, upon the fort of St. Nicholas. Three small steamers bad attacked a part of the coast near Trebizond ; but, A fter tiring a few shots, the ships dispersed. Nothing of a serious charac ter had occurred since the disaster at Siuope. On the other hand Sir Edmund Lyons had twice proceeded to Ba toum with convoys, and a squadron cf two French and two English steamers had gone to the neighbourhood of Sebastopol, and near the Sea of Azoff, but could not see anything more than three small Russian steamers at anchor. No Russian man-of-war had been seen by the various vessels despatched in different directions, and it did not appear that any Russian vessels had been sent to sea since the last orders had been issued. He trusted that now the house would consent to go into committee in order to proceed with the estimates. Mr. LUCAS having postponed his motion with respect to alleged grievances suffered by Roman Catholic soldiers and sailors, in the absence of the Secretary at War, The house then went into committee of supply. On the first vote of 50,0001., for defraying the charges for the Royal Naval Coast Volunteers, Mr. W. WILLIAMS said, he wished to call the atten tion of the First Lord of the Admiralty to several points in connection with these estimates. It appeared from the votes that there were 16 admirals in active service of whom two were in command of dockyards, rod four were what were denominated port-admirals, so that only ten were actually employed on board ship. There were, how ever, 261 admirals in a state of idleness, receivin g half-pay or pensions. Then there were 93 captains and 127 com manders, altogether 220 of both ranks on the active list, but there were 544 captains and 920 commanders receiving half-pay or pensions, and in a state of idleness. The num ber of lieutenants to be employed was 519, while 1,143 were unemployed. This was a monstrous state of things, which, in his opinion, well deserved the consideration of the First Lord of the Admiralty. Only 755 officers of all ranks were to be employed in a fleet which they were told was the most powerful ever sent to sea by this country, while 2,868 officers were left in a state of idleness. He (Mr. Williams) must say that, since the present First Lord of the Admiralty had been in office, he believed the manage ment of that department had been much more economical and efficient than was formerly the case ; -but he wished to call the attention of the right hon. baronet to the fact that, since the termination of the last war, there had been an expenditure of 62,000,0001. upon wages, machinery, and other items in the dockyards, and he would like to know what practical advantage the country had derived in return for such vast expenditure. Within - the same period, also, there had bee' au expenditure of 10,500,0001. for the en largement of the dockyards. He was quite sure that if the right hon. baronet would take stock in his department he would find there had been, since the war, fully 25,000,0001. sterling spent, and very little left to show for it. He would also suggest that much advantage and saving might be effected by placing the navy agencies in the colo nies under the commissariat ; and, in conclusion, he trusted that the right hon. baronet would take measures for promoting savings-banks in the navy. Sir J. GRAHAM said, with reference to the large num ber of officers on half-pay, beginning with those in the highest rank, the hon. gentleinan would recollect that full inquiry had been made by the committee which hail sat on naval estimates under the presidency of the noble mem ber for Totnes, and upon the recommendations of which considerable reductions in the list complained of had bean made • of lieutenants on the effective list, indeed, the num ber had been so much reduced that in the recent armament considerable difficulty had been experienced in making up the requisite staff of lieutenants—so much so that an alte ration of the rules which had been introduced with refe rence to promotions from this very valuable class of officers would probablybe necessary. (Hear, hear.) There was no 'doubt that large expenditure had been incurred in the adaptation of existing ships to a more useful construction, and more especially in the adaptation of vessels to the screw system ; but the result, as manifested in the pre sent coudition of our navy, would, he thought, be accepted as a valuable consideration. (Hear, hear.) The plan of con centrating the naval agencies in the colonies with the com missariat had been tried, experimentally, at Hong Kong, but it had been found productive of such complication of accounts, and such inconvenience to the naval service, that it had been abandoned. The importance of encouraging savings-banks in the navy was by no means new to him, for he had, twenty years ago, carried a measure for that very purpose. The measure, he was sorry . to say, had not been so successful by any means as tho introduction of savings-banks into the army ; but he was disposed to attri bute this rather to the different mode in which sailors were paid than to any inherent defect in the sailors themselves, as compared with soldiers. (Hear, hear.) Receiving their wages as the sailors did, in comparatively large sums, with long intervals, and when the ship was paid off in some port where every temptation to spend his money was presented to the seaman, it was not much to be won dered at that savings-banks were of less avail in the navy than in the army. He was very desirous, therefore, of remedying this defect by assimilating the pay of the esase, in its mode of payment, as nearly as possible to that of the soldier. (Hear.) The existing condition of things was altogether inopportune for the introduction of so great a change, the various classes of seamen now afloat receiv ing, from circumstances, wages so various in their nature and amount; but he could aseure the house that he would take the earliest practicable occasion to lay before them a measure to carry out the principle, calculated as that prin ciple was, lie thoroughly believed, materially to improve the character of our navy. Captain SCOBELL considered that the system of offer ing large bounty and other special advantages to the naval coast volunteers was unfair to the other seamen who were invited, at this critical juncture, to enter the navy, and who, if really seamen, were quite as worthy of this en couragement as any particular class of their profession. Sir J. GRAHAM said that to extend bounty to all the seamen required for the present emergency would involve the country in an immediate outlay of not less than 200,0001.—an expenditure which was entirely unnecessary, since the full number of seamen who were required were found ready to enter without that inducement. (Hear.) With the gallantry and high spirit so conspicuous in their profession, as our seamen saw danger to the country in crease, so increased their willingness to enter the service. Some few months ago, indeed, there was a difficulty in •setting seamen for the fleet ; but since it had become clear to the seamen of this country that danger was at hand, they had come forward with a spirit which could not he too highly admired. (Hear.) Ho was most anxious to give to every seaman a fair remuneration for his services, hut, with reference to the naval coast volunteers, it should be recollected that they stood in the same position towards the general navy with relation to the bounty question as the militia occupied in reference to the army. Sir G. TYLER thought it would be extremely useful to the house if some information could be given them as to how the force of naval coast volunteers had been raised, and whether the number of men who had come forward—many of whom could not be altogether seamen— was equal to that for which the vote had been taken last year. He had always been of opinion that we must look to the merchant service for our seamen ; but it was most desirable that there should be always at hand a sufficient supply of sailors for continuously manning our fleet when required. The plan proposed, in a pamphlet written by Admiral Bowles,.was, that, there should be a naval mi litia, independent of the coast volunteers, formed along the coast and within five miles of it, and also that there should be a quota established for each great seaport town in Eng land. This force the author proposed to divide into classes, and suggested that the first class, composed of men from 18 to 30 years of age, should be made available for the service of the Royal Navy fora certain fixed period, liable to be called out like the militia, and with equal bounties and advantages. The second class would consist of men between 30 and 40 years of age, liable to limited service in the United Kingdom ; and in this way a force would be established which would be at all times available. He hoped the right hon. gentleman would give to the plan of the gallant officer that consideration which he (Sir G. Tyler) thought it deserved. Admiral BERKELEY said, it was true they had been obliged to take a certain number of landsmen in the force which had been raised; but the progress which these young men made in the schools was perfectly wonderful. The coast-guardsmen were a remarkably fine body of men, and the various captains whose ships had received quotas spoke of them in the highest praise. The enrolment of volunteers had not fully commenced ; but the force already raised in the three weeks during which enrolment had been going on amounted to about 1,000 men. Captain SCOBELL said, that in proposing a system of bounties he wanted to induce men to come forward for a longer period of service. He would not give a bounty to any man who did not enter for 10 years, and would ex clude ordinary seamen and landsmen from the system alto gether. Mr. W. WILLIAMS was convinced that the diminu tion of corporal punishments on board Her Majesty's ships had been an inducement to seamen to come forward. He hoped the right hon. gentleman at the head of the Board of Admiralty would keep his attention fixed upon that point ; for sure ho was, that whenever an officer was found continually inflicting punishment on board his ship, that officer was not fit for command. The vote was then agreed to. On the vote of 51,7221. for the' expenses of the scientific branc, Mr. h BENTINCK called attention to the very long inter terval which elapsed between the completion of certain of the coast surveys and the publication of the charts. Sir J. GRAHAM acknowledged that the more speedy Publication of the result of the surveys was a matter of groat importance. He had given his attention to the re organisation of the hydrographical department, and an officer well known for his scientific acquirements, Captain Washington, had been appointed as assistant to Admiral Beaufort. The attention of these officers had been di rected to the urgent necessity of a more speedy publication of the surveys which had been made, as charts tecarne comparatively useless if their publication was long de layed, and he believed the result of their joint efforts would be that the wishes of his hon. friend would before long be accomplished. Captain SCOBELL would suggest whether it would not be desirable for the Goverument to offer some premium for the best lifeboat or liferaft. The vote was agreed to, together w ith the following : 131,451/. for sakries of officers, &c., at her Mzijesty's naval establishments at home. 22,297/. for her Majesty's establishments abroad. On the vote of 883,6481. for wages to artificers, &c., em ployed in her Majesty's establishments at home, Mr. J. G. I'HILLIM.ORE wished to express his gratifi cation at the exertions in our naval establishments, which enabled England to put forth such a magnificent display of strength at such short notice. (Hear, hear.) As he had thought it his duty to expres s some lisapprobation with regard to the proceedings of the Government he was glad to see there had been more vigour in execution than there had been unity in council. The vote was agreed to, together with a vote of 37,259/. as wages to artificers in our naval establishments abroad. On the vote of 1,142,7321. as naval stores for the build ing and repairs of ships, Mr. W, WILLIAMS owned that, comparing the votes London & N. Wt.r.t ("aletion„ ;t.Nrtl to. Caldonian. Gt. Westn irk. New. &D Borw. , Y. &NM& Do 3. Esatern D 0....... ,lorfolk & Midld. itokton& Darlingt. ►iidland..' E. Count. D 0... Do !L. & N. W. SanSak !Do Gt Northn D 0......... Laneash& Yorksh. X.MClean 3tuckt. Et D 0:.:..... . 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Mr. CORRY, acknowledging the admirable state of effi ciency into which the fleet had been brought, said there was one arm in which he feared it was deficient ; he alluded to ships fitted for carrying mortars. When he was at the Admiralty a second class steam-sloop was fitted for that purpose, and the experiment was looked upon as a success ful one. _ _ Admiral BERKELEY said, that all our large ships at present threw shells-from their 68-pounders, almost in the same way as mortars, and were capable of bursting their Shells - it the same distance as mortars. Mr. CORRY—But without the power of elevation. Captain . SCOBELL hoped the improvementuf the small . arms would not be lost sight of, Some of the marines, he apprehended, were now practised in the use of the Minie rifle. He wished to ask whether the Board of Admiralty had finally made up . their minds as to the propriety of employing iron as a material for ships of war ? He wished also to put a question to the right hon. gentleman with regard to the reward given to the inventor of a screw-pro peller. He understood there were parties who were said to have a reasonable claim to be considered in the matter, and who urged that the screw-propeller invented by them was the very one which the Royal navy now used, and for which the premium had been awarded. Sir J. GRAHAM had great pleasure in inforining the hon. and gallant member that the muskets supplied on board her Majesty's ships were of the most improved de scription. With regard to the second question which had been put to him, he had to state that the result of the inquiries which had been made afforded proof that iron was not a material well adapted for the construction of ships of war. With regard to the item referred to by the hon. and gallant gentleman, the circumstances of the case were, that a sumof 10,0001. had been paid to persons claimed to be the inventors of the screw-propeller in use in her Ma jesty's ships, but at the same time a bond of indemnity had been required, in the event of any person hereafter coming forward and proving himself to have been the ori ginal inventor, and if Captain Carpenter were, in fact, the original inventor, he could institute a legal claim. Sir F. BARING stated that he had paid, when he had the honour of holding office, a sum of 10,0001. to persons claiMing to be the inventors of the screw-propeller now employed in the navy. The invention was not a simple invention, but rather a combination of inventions, and, in his opinion, the persons who had conducted the business had shown a very liberal spirit, and, indeed, he was con vinced that if each invention had been paid for seperately, the expense to the country would have been considerably greater than it had actually been. Mr. FRENCH felt bound to state that, in his opinion the credit of the application of the screw-propeller to nau tical affairs was due to Captain Evans. That officer had been sent to inspect the Archimedes, which, he believed, was one of the first ships which was fitted with a screw propeller, and he had been present at the trial which took place, and the inventor was at that time utterly ignorant of the power which the screw gave over the helm, and every one of the statements which Captain Evans made on that occasion had since been justified by the result. When cre dit was claimed by different persons for the application of the screw-propeller, he thought that some credit was due to an officer who had so materially facilitated its adapta tion. Captain SCOBELL said that all that Captain Carpenter desired was, that justice should be done him. He believed that the money which had been paid had come to a Mr. Low, and the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council had refused Mr. Low an extension of his patent. He himself felt convinced that the screw on board that celebrated ship the Agamemnon, and many other first-class ships, was more similar in principle to Captain Carpenter's invention than it was to any other. Sir F. BARING said that the fact of the Judicial Com mittee of the Privy Council having refused Mr. Low an extension of his patent was no proof that he was not the original inventor. Mr. STAFFORD considered that the right hon. gentle man was quite justified in having paid the sum of 10,0001. as he did ; such had been the opinion of the late Board . of Admiralty and of that which preceded, and he thought also of that which succeeded it. The vote was then' agreed to. A vote of 374,6421. for new works, improvements, and repairs in the yards, &a., was agreed to. A vote of 32,0001. for medicine and medical stores was also agreed to. On the vote of 54,6531. for miscellaneous services, Mr. STAFFORD expressed his satisfaction that the Board of Admiralty had continued the grant to the Sailors' Home which had been proposed by the late board. The vote was agreed to. On the vote of 657,5751. for reserved pay and half-pay, Admiral WALCOTT thought that, accustomed as we had been to refer the high position which England held among nations to the superiority of her naval power, he could not do otherwise than concur in any measure which should make a more adequate provision for manning the navy. For, of what possible use or avail could it be to boast of a splendid navy of ships, unless manned with the sinews and nerves to render them efficient ? But it was necessary plainly to tell the man-of-war's man to what he might look forward—to satisfy him of the certainty of that provision which was proposed for his welfare, present and future. The officers should possess the perfect conviction that no disposal of patronage, for ends private or political, would mar their prospect of the reward due to merit. Then this country would reap the full benefit of such a generous and fostering care of a noble profession. He agreed wholly in opinion with the hon. and gallant member for Bath that nothing could be more uliwise than to encumber a ship with any large proportion of landsmen. Very few, in deed, but ordinary seamen ought to be taken on board. Lads from 14 to 18 years of age were the material from which blue jackets must be made. In the navy yearly from 3,000 to 4,000 such ought to be entered, in order to supply regular men-of-war's men. He was gratified by the testimony borne by the right hon. baronet the First Lord of the Admiralty to the services of his predecessors at that board. To the Duke of Northumberland the service was indebted for the Committee on Manning the Navy, of such vast importance iu its results. He be'ieved that no man ever entered upon that office with more single minded purpose, or more earliest desire to conduce by every possible exertion to its efficiency ; and, as regarded its patronage, to make merit the sole criterion of advance ment. Allusion had been made to the crowded state of the lists. It ought and must be remembered that during the last war we had at one time no less than 1,000 pen dants flying, and to officer those ships was a matter of the first necessity. The officers then employed served their country with fidelity, and to its utmost advantage, and they ought not to be dealt with in speeches of disparage ment. Many in peace-time earnestly and perseveringly advanced their claims to continued service—many were still most desirous of employment, and in a short time hundreds of these men would no longer need the reward of good and gallant service. But he would remind the house that the first evidence and sign of a declining nation were ingratitude displayed towards those who had,stoad by their country, giving her strength and life in that hour in which she most needed them. The country was entering upon another war ; and she would require able heads and youth ful spirit and vigour, and they ought to be cheered on wards by the bright hope that the country would not be disregardful of their claims upon her consideration. Their ardour should not be damped by indifference shown to those who preceded them in a career no less noble or momentous to the interests of their country. Capt. SCOBELL hoped that the Admiralty would go upon the principle of giving promotion according to merit. The Admiralty had the power of checking any man's pro motion they pleased, and the few that were employed were not selected solely on account of public merit. It was a hard case that half the lieutenants never got beyond that rank. Owing to their numbers they could not be pro moted, but the Admiralty could pick and choose where they pleased. Mr. W. WILLIAMS said, that as the hon. and gallan admiral opposite had observed, that officers of merit in the sea service had been neglected he could not help contrast ing the manner in which naval officers were treated with the conduct pursued towards officers in the army, in refer ence to good service pensions. He perceived by the esti mates that one of the persons receiving 'a good service pension in the navy was Commodore Michael Seymour. This gentleman entered the service on the sth of Novem ber, 1813, and doubtless must then have been very young. In March, 1814, only four months afterwards, he was pre sent, while serving in the Hannibal, at the capture of the French frigate La Sultane, and that was the only service he had rendered for this good service pension. It was true that he had held the appointment of Commodore- Superintendent of Devonport Dockyard since September, 1851, and had been actively employed afloat as a com missioned officer about 18 years ; but he had been very fortunate in obtaining these two employments, and many an officer would have been glad to have the appoint ments. The grant of a good service pension for the single service he had mentioned, exhibited a liberality of which the gallant admiral had no , right to complain, especially when many men in the army who had served in the Peninsula and Waterloo were not so well rewarded ; but he thought that there was ground for complaint on the part of the country that in this case so much had been bestowed. Sir J. GRAHAM said, the hon. gentleman was rather unfortunate inthe instance he had adduced of ill-bestowed reward. Commodore Seymout's service were set forth in the paper before the house, and as he had had an interview that very day with the gallant commodore, he would tell the house what the nacure of thatinterview was. Itbecame the duty of the Admiralty to select a captain of the fleet for the force to be commande 1 by Sir C. Napier, and he ac cordingly consulted Sir C. Napier as to the offic t o e the whole, would be most efficient for that post.er w ho, n r Af conferring together and looking at the list of officers, they both came to the conclusion that, if Commodore Seymour could be induced to accept the appointrur t cr h he e t would be gallant the most efficient person, (Hear, h e ar.) officer was at the moment Superinteetilidnetrutefof the Devon personal and port Dockyard, and was also ?t 9n eu acc reg t rod to the character professional services—not h one of the most of his his gallant father, tinguished officers iwnhothe vv had been in the receipt of a good service pension. The moment it was mentioned to the gallant officer that for the g ood of the service he should l eav e the dockyard and go. on board the Wellington a s o f the fleet, he replied that he was ready to st ar t s c t apn 48 ta 'hours notice, and that he would resign his dockyard appointment and throw his pension to the winds if he could be of any service to the profession to which his heart was attached. (Hear, hear.) He (Sir J. Graham) did not think it right to take the gallant officer strictly at his word; but, telling him that it was important that he should go on board the Wellington on the special service desired, added that he would make arrangements, in con sideration of the gallant officer's generous offer to resign his appointment, to keep it open for him until the special service was performed. (Hear, hear.) Mr. W. WILLIAMS had meant to cast no reflection on the gallant officer but he thought that many a lieutenant who had fought and had been wounded in some of the great battles of Nelson, and had nothing bat their miserable half-pay to depend on, might consider themselves hardly treated when they compared the reward of their services with that given to a gentleman whose good ,service was confined to the first four months after his joinin; the navy. The vote was then agreed to, as were also the following votes :-476,6591. for military pensions and. allowances, and 148,798/. for civil pensions and allowances. On the vote of 225,050/. (the last of the navy estimates), for army and ordnance departments (conveyance of troops), Mr. W. WILLIAMS complained that in the conveyance of some troops to Dublin a small mercantile steamer had been employed with great inconvenience to the men, when two men-of-war steamers, at the time lying idle, might have been put in requisition for the purpose. Sir J. GRAHAM was sorry to say that he should have to call the attention of the house again to a vote of this kind at a later period of the session. Within the last fort night measures had been taken for the conveyance of 10,000 troops to the Mediterranean, and in the course of WEICS.P.APET talaneX l - 41 rt; ttightwar=aartallt& WOW: t conveyance c additional troops, r e rta. )1 ' and, conside. ring th e ca ll ma d e n . .04 On' vide for the effective service of th. . • • # t house would admit th a t th ey h a d n.. „At' .. • been idle in newiding c onve y ance f or tristroo# (Chars-) With reseed .to what h a d j us t f a ll en f rom th e n.-le man, he 'beg ged to say that, if there was want of acco modation on merchant steamers for the conveyance of soldiers, the Is ccommod.ation was ten times worse on a war steamer. In. conclusion, he thanked both sides of the house for the cordial and generous support they had afforded the Clorernment in passing the estimates. (Hear.) Mr. PERG.T made an inquiry respecting the applica tion of the sn toke-consuming apparatus to Government steamers. Sir J. GRA HAM observed that - the apparatus had been under trial in tale dockyards, but had not been applied to government steamers; and the result of the trial induced Tim to believe \ that, though the apparatus was effoc ual in consuming smoke, it occasioned a much larger con uinption of coals (Hear, hear.) Captain SCOBELL inquired whether the Admiralty were not aware that there were some Russian men-of-war in Austrian ports, and whether it would not be deeirable under such circumstances, to have an escort to accourpany our vessels conveying troops? Sir J. GRAHAM said, it was true that three Russian men-of-war were in the Adriatic, but he had great plea.- sure in telling the gallant officer that there were also three' English men-of-war there—(cheers)—and, if that were not enough, two very powerful French vessels were likewise in the Adriatic. Those three Russian men-of-war had been in the outer harbour of Trieste ; but they were afterwards hauled up within the inner mole, so that our men-of:War could not get at them. (Laughter.) Tile vote was agreed to. ORDNANCE ESTIMATES. Mr. MONSELL, in submitting the ordnance estimates, said he should endeavour, as shortly as he could, to explain the reasons for the increase in the different votes ; and he thought he should be able to satisfy the house that some, at least, of that increase would leave for future years a permanent annual saving. Upon the first vote, the in crease of the Royal Artillery was 53,023/. ; the Engineers, 29,461/. ; and the increased recruiting Recesaaty for the addition to the forces, 20,1671. It would be hardly neces sary for him at present, after the statements made by his right hon. friends who had preceded him to give any rea son for this increase ' • but he thought he would be justified in giving very . shortly a statement of the condition in which the artillery force now was. He was happy to say that the schools, which for several years had been pro gressively increasing, were admirably regulated. The Royal Military Repository had now in it a class of 24 non commissioned officers, who, besides acquiring a know ledge of the use and transport of military machines, were taught geometry, mensuration, and all those other studies which were necessary to the discharge of Leak duties. The Royal Artillery Institution, which was andnstitution of more recent foundation, had this year been opened, and already it had conferred very great advantages indeed in the way of a thorough system of education upon the offi cers of the artillery force. So great was the interest taken in this establishment that the annual subscriptions on the part of the officers themselves, which were last year 1531., had risen this year to 4201 A course of lectures w: a about to commence upon those subjec's which were the most use ful for the officers of the artillery to• be acquainted with— A military carriages, polytechnics, &c. —and in addition to this Lord Raglan, the Master-General of the Ordnance, last year, for the first time, established a class of young men who had just received their commissions, and sent them to the continent with an experienced officer to visit the best fortifications upon the continent, se that they might become acquainted with those improvements in the sciences connected with the artillery which were likely to render them most efficient in the discharge of their duties. Ile did not know if it had ever occurred to any gentleman here to compare the state of the artillery force now about to leave these shores for the East, and the condition of that force which, under the late Duke of Wellington, and amounting to about the same number, quitted these shores for the Tagus in 1808. He thought nothing could be snore remarkable or more satisfactory than such a comparison. In every singular particular the greatest possible iauprove ment was manifest. In the first place, instead of the small howitzers of 4 2-sths and 5 . 4 , inches, the howitzers now sent out are 12 and 21 ponnders, longer, heavier, more effective, and of the best possible description. In the ord nance in 1808, in each of the batteries there were three kinds or different sorts of guns used, which caused great confusion in the supply and b expenditure of ammuni tion. At present there are only two kinds in use, and the system adopted is very simple end uniform. In 1803 eivid artificers accompanied the field batteries, and were fou ud most unserviceable and troublesome ; but now, instead t o civil artificers, military artificers form a component part of every troop. At the former period there were no in structions for exercise, and every captain used his own discretion ; at the present time the most clear and precise instructions are laid down, and are in the hands of every artillery officer, the effect of which has been to secure a perfect uniformity in the execution of all duties committed to them. The code of finance regulations was not dettled in 1808, from which many hardships arose ; but now the finance regulations are in the hands of every commanding officer. Perhaps one of the most striking contrasts between the two forces was in the sort of horses sent out. Any gentle man who would refer to the despatches of the Duke of Wel lington would find that the horses which accompanied the artillery in 1808 were very inefficient, and were described by Colonel Hardinge as a set of broken-down Irish horses, taken from the Irish commissariat. They . were utterly useless when they came into action, and their inefficiency frequently necessitated the leaving behind of guns at a time when their services were most important. The ar tillery force about to leave our shores would have 1.000 horses in the highest possible condition and order. Then with regard to pontoouing, any gentleman who had at all studied the history of the Peninsular War would be aware that the difficulties occasioned by a deficiency of pontoons were remarkable. He believed it was only the year before the expedition he was now referring to, that in South America our forces were stopped for several days by a trench eight or nine feet wide, on account of the absence of pontoons. A sufficient number of pontoons would start with our forces now, and thev would be altogether in the highest possible efficiency. He might mention many more particulars to the house, but he would not weary it by going any further into the subject. He had, however, thought it of importance to point out the greatly increased state of efficiency of the artillery force, which everybody knew was the most important arm at the' disposal of any country in a time of war. He would proceed next to the increase in Vote 2 on the commissariat supplies, the greater part of which increase was occasioned by the extraordinary rise in the price of forage and other articles. The increase of price iu that vote alone amounted to 158,0001. In the barrack supplies which were necessary this year he took an increased quantity on account of a miscalculation last year; 35,2981. was the increase occasioned by the increase of price ; and the increase of 32,0001., was for the increase necessary to be made to the number of stores. Upon Vote 3, for the Ordnance-office, there was a decrease. The Treasury committee, which sat upon the Ordnance and in vestigated most minutely the whole of the proceedings car ried on and the payment of the officers employed, state that several of them are most inadequately paid, and, instead of a reduction, he was happy ,to say they recommended several of the payments to be increased. Upon Vote 4, the salaries, allowances, and contingencies in establishments in the United Kingdom and colonies, there was a decrease of somewhere about 10,0001. The decrease in the colonies was very large, and was likely to be a permanent decrease, as many of the establishments which had been decree ed in the West Indies, Canada, nd other places, were not likely to be again augmented. Upon Vote 5, the wages of arti ficers, there was an increase of upwards of 20,0001., alto gether occasioned by the increase of wages rendered neces sary in the Royal carriage and other departments, through the anxiety to provide an additional number of carriages for the ships now fitting out for the Baltic fleet and s. change in the batteries of the Royal Artillery. The next vote was for stores, and there was an increase upon it amounting in the whole to 267,8551. Of this sum the in crease occasioned by the new machinery which it was pro. posed to erect at Wdolwich and in its neighbourhood, in cluding the gun factory, upon which he should have to say a few words hereafter, amounted to 138,0001. Deduct ing that 138,0001. from 267,0001.,129,0001. remained, of which 79,0001. was for increase in price, leaving 50,000/. only to be accounted for. 25,600'. of that sum was on account of small arms, 6,8271. for gunpowder received on account of the equipments of frigates of the navy ,• and there was another Item for the carriages of the artillery, which had already been referred to. The next vote, for works, buildings, and repairs at home and abroad, was 902,8217.; and of that sum 336,753/. was required for for tifications and other works already sanctioned by Perlin. ment ; and 262,637/. was for ordinary and current ex-- posses. Now, that 262,687/. for ordinary and current ex penses was an increase upon the same item in last year's estimates of somewhere about 40,0001, and he thought it right to mention to the house that that increase was mainly occasioned by the incidental items having been in no instance this year reduced. It had been considered expedient to pursue that course, though the system had been usually adopted of reducing every t r o ent so s ta ta e e year aons th t e hr i o n a c g i h d o e o n t tal th it e mus coun o try t , in a t m o ou th n e tin d g iffe 23,000/. At the end of the year it was found imposSible without suffering serious injury, to take away this surplus, and applications had then to be made to the Treasury to allow the money to be given from some unexhausted sur plus, so that the apparent reduction at the beginning of the year was no real reduction at all. Of the remaining increase in this vote there was an item of 100,000/. for the purchase of land at Aldershott for a camp, which was to be immediately enclosed. The ground had been purchased at a very moderate rate, at sums varying from 10/, to 121. an acre, and at any future time it would be quite possible to realise any idea of the house with regard to the formation of a camp. The next item he had to allude to was one of 85,0001. for a practice ranee at Woolwich, and he had shortly stated th e o th er day, in answer to the hon. baronet the member for Westminster, the reasons for that vote. There had been for many years a practice range at Wool wich, which, ho believed, had answered every purpose per fectly well until some 12 or 14 years ago. At that penotl e when the use of steam upon the Thames had become so largely increased, the range was found unsafe in conse quence of the number of vessels continually passing. As it was perfectly essential, however, that the artillery force should have constant practice, it was of the last importance that that arm of the service should be preserved in every way possible. He thought the house would agree with hies that no vote he had to propose was really of greater import' ance to the service than this, and he believed none w9uld be more cheerfully acquiesced in. Abroad a sum o f ,5001. was required for the erection of a garrison hospital at Ce phalonia, which would be the means of effecting an annual saving of 1901., now paid. The increased accommocla,` required at Malta would entail an expenditure of abGa 7,0001., and a sum of 10,0001. would be required for the improvement of the defences of St. .Helense It was theught proper, however, merely to ask for 2,r.00/. this year. 3,0001. would. be required for additions and alterations n tson t sar. the cadet , . barracks at Woolwich, and lie though, lei lutely the' tions were more imperatively require d ; for abso cadets at Woolwich were obliged t o slee p two or three to study in. By . irp a room, and they had no place whatever or. A sum , . the proposed alterations every on e of the 49 cadets would'. be provided with a separate ro om. of 7 0001 &c. Upsn emnmodation, drainage at various stations, gas, 25 8,00.4. would also be required for increased hospital acy• I urvey ant he additional was taken for the ordinary f s this 'natteith Vote 8, for the Ordnance surveys of the kingdom, now mention the ° now stood. The house gaud to the scale of 'the surve n y ss the authority of the Duke a would, perhaps, he an are,. o precise position t Weßrit lliugt ain. o It ha th d been found to answer exceedingly well ire n, at the Irish scale was adopted in Great Ireland, but in Scotland, a. year or two ago, a strong feel• ing arose against it—it was either too large or too smell — he believed it w as considered too large. Durin g last :,vest tnehieenqtnestionwas submitt submitted by the treasury to the 04 ifin men in the country, who generally thought t. /1 ° scale should be larger. It was now proposed by the Tree* f iery teretbmit the question again for the decision of miens lover load. [Y.) W.I; Kerr ► Stk th . 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