The Sun. — London, England, 1833-03-26 00:00:00

t 6e ° be t h e 11 00 'e an d the got,lll he 1-o it IC I f illing °° jai u 1 br hare , e vet If the re' 110 • c ountrY• f tie .perience eiw I year , Lord had f°,' ' w hen e exhibia.d w hat h e w ,, Lord Odl ti , st itentePd s o ble h ot migh t h y he fr i o r ave 111 Doe e /1 , 1 er per' or „n a te A be , asoo this r eroo. st „, Lord t o tags had d if eir, an go -e R , gh t go' w ith th e ! 1 , means th( ! er g story aes9 to nt 0 !ire 18 0, ee in go of the d first " - i xig enc lell be ` Da nr t the e it 0.0 a per 04 the n atl.° of c idel' °L o pe Hoe • M "' e ° it Flo"' ) you that yeol PI 0 vc,,,, 0 n0 1 4'4 I c)5.9..g VP' • - :".1" wed) te o, f o_, igtit H a ° 00 0 ;b the tent I td no eoutrol fully amounted to about 36i(.9410,09°?" appeaie by the folloiving fable ---- I'lLivenlfnutnecire:i,e't and Charges of the Debt, FIXED EXPENDITURE IN 183-q. PChilList ...................................................... 510,000 ensi o .__ ••• .... ......................... . 667 67 0 itatt n. not included in the Civil List r r,..N'684 Funded and x 29,433,646 P3Y, Pensions and Superannuation Allowances .),..0- , The s. mm o f , £34,900,000 t o _ os , t . ol m oney over whi c h t h e G overnment b ail no il w a°, in the year 1827, in the proportion of 7 to in the the whole expenditure ; in the year 1832, it was tfl ii ii : Proportion of 7to 10. If the reduction of five tittle " Were compared with the whole sum which was : the control of Government, it would be seen that 4 1;;;_ u "loa of no less than 25 per cent. had taken place. Holivad thought it right to lay ' these statements before the p ot : n e ,t , because they would tend to show how narrow the to ~' Wa ' open which Ministers had it in their power Q}:u r t ' o '' o t '' In 1 827 it was narrow, extending only to aad ‘3.000,000/. ; but in 1832 it was still narrower, l It.tatevaT extended to 16,000,000/. He bail no . w i i . s . , ' ltit Y to tni t ,' l he observations which he had thought it . iis en tr ,, , -- 4 e Upon ' t ' his subject, to throw any imputation of ti 4 gdtainistration which had ' conducted the finances not At!i°Ontry previou‘ly to the period when the pre i; a kes•a r , 9lst ers came into , ffice ; but he de med that h' t° Make these statements, in order to show y tot 1,,,,, 3 Atijesty's present Administration. had really t l. N tiet fl guilty of that culpable negligence with respect . !) to rte ii i ' l ls in the expenditure of the country, cf which Ole ~,hcln• :11clarra, who ought to have better understood oh the Pet, seemed inclined to accuse them ; .toil to prove,_,t_ ttnotte'n,trarY, that they had exerted themselve s . to the d el , to introduce the greatest possible economy in fh °tmtn t• It -'4ltp , w.is ' his g wish, in the next place, to call *li lt th4L9D of the House to the proportion (as compared hid take whole of the saving.) of the redactions which .it .. 444 Place in the d e at-talents in which those e i letly:ii,tre itirlud,-(lwhiclP, they were now more particu- Perld,tt?"'"ine--he alluded to the naval and military ex vilndti ,7* In 18 27, out of the 20,000,0001. whic h we re l 40, to of the Government, the Army an . , 61' " 1 6 9 0r 000/ • ' tie r i e n_ duet! Partments was only 15,500,000/. ; so that t atil lt ` Db i la these branches had been no less than three.and ill th ( e )D c l Nit of the five millions of general reductions nrt.o , nof : ste e d PaPtnent over Which lie presided, theP i elozo d oetion bad amounted to about one million. i ti, H ,n e a 1 4(114 rn eeed to state the items upon which the re, uc . hi p Place, after givin a get.eral view of the po th '9' retilletion in hi., de g artment. In the year 10 . , 188 1 N"7 , r."il:nates hal amounted to 5,594,0001. 5 4 in 8'8,6341"" amounted to 5.870.000/. ; in 1832, to atop,:l. t and the E.,tiin rtes which he had now to Islnlvere 4 658 ,134/. ; falling short of the E h ,. i ttEo f , v l 'Y aliout 940 0001 ; of those of 1831, by about , 'IL - f ° , °l ; and of those of last year by 220,000 . I ti t T ti ?r ZW:ing statements will place these facts in a atitt,'Nase L. h it m ,„,n the Estimates for 1R33.34—viz., as compared N1,,,10,1830 1831 and 1332—arises under the following , , As compared with 1.30. As compared with .S3l. As compared 'with 1632.3:3. Vi:tet t 1,q41,t0 os,, a t. &e. Vi,ktitt° ar tige n r 4c. 1 1i ' t: if *orl t , (1 tttaterials ........... .. ..... ; ... ,it'att, at qe. ILtai 2\ ice d eCrea s , fo r ' ..... 1936,821 0 011,212,417 0 0 >nlNon ,ir.H, 6 may be considered a. per 'anent re bistt itod sit : Pt'are establishment, except the number of f Purcha se of stores and provisions, which lttyofOnl politi ca l causes , w i t h re f erence t o t h e pos it4v fl i PProaehi ng h ost i l i t i es. tlit tt tp ,ltith r 1-1 °u. Baron e t th e n proc e eded to state som e 15'4 Pct to which reductions had been made in a a trt roi l 3 ;ittment, since the 16th of Nov., 1830 Sal t : l ate?. r s ' e 4 h ict r i lo r Marines otticer 1,000 Yards, &c 19,712 Cl Reiss ditto' of ................. ditto 2;;1 ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' tnt , 414, 1rit £74,073 tift fif pensions granted to persons reduced in fr os ,N i, 2 0 o f the junction of the Navy and Victua bog t he ' 2341 . Toe expenses for the three months fo r t ltf,: t , uf January to the 31st of March, 1832, .Yen -‘ ut of the balance of former years by a pro jk sc, tlis, ~ o ‘ e, but without any additional " Ways and ttllirTotig tto Of bet ween the 16th of November, 1S:10, and ti og O ril 183 , £45,763 sthAP C ti c , et of April, arising out of the eonsolida ,avy and Victualling Offices... Or,. " L 'h la k „ X 14,073 5-1,,, -, s• is for salaries of and above 8110/ 'a year ; • for salaries iinc;er SOO/..a year. the Prio r i t r k i ttet tlot wi f L' of granting superannuation allowances es tate iO ll cowl P r opriety he violated, it was clear that no hor b .!Peei e , g , take place in salaries, without throwing kr „ s . (u burden on the country. It should be ts k4 ir ' 1 ", h 1 .1 4 ,eode rel owever, that the nature of these allow. A trt uara t i bn th , . burden which they imposed only of t 'aa o i sv • With respect to half-pay and pensions, la l'hatpes ass a considerable sum outstanding, because I tai El3o' th could Only h e demanded every three months. b.f., e .amount hail been 1,314,0001.; 1831, fit e 1111 4(141 'n 183 2 , 997,171/ ; but, from the cause ,'Ett to, he w ou ld s tat e it at 1,300,0001. H e lo;Zti; fo7 as pla ce d i n a cross fi re f rom t h e oppos i t i on tt o th e ' While he was charged on one side with al dlttM so th,,tl4 dockyards to go to decay by reducing the quantity of 'to o : eons i s to a degree which was not contd. ty:, 4 le tht 7 er 'l_ with . the safety of a maritime State, the t aoti "It i)c Mid ilesex had accused him of not car 4s, to haleCetions far enough. On the 16th of April a high at I V; made for a return of the number of Spars, 'to t ,. io "Jcaty's dockyard at Portsmouth. The i Z l ti l , s 4 f t:o rf ' stil ' r o ° .. r!e , t then entered . into a detail of the I,, oll owi ne : ta u:, the particulats which will be found pt ( " f Masts, Yards, nt Rigging, Sails, and Stores, &c., in Portsmouth.yard. Low Total Number. Nerb,ast S HIPS OF TILE LINE. I( kto k kets . ......................................... 45 70 itowe• .......................................... 1 11 '4 .1 , 11 Psa d 16 `<'',fitt,`Act blocks (fitted complete) iko• " c omplete) ...... .. ........................ 02.14 1 i 45 111 4 s, FRIGATES. Ors lee 32 asts It:Bt pri ts Na 11 (fi tr ' e i t td blocks (fitted complete) , It 7 icci T plete) or, s tore( lat fitted) 6 —4releAl.e.; e arth s 62 :38 SLOOPS. 0h47 suit,. (no t fitted 3 P4. 4 t i1l 168 to, ss 61 ',OO-',°l all sizes ~!....„2,ater tanks for ships 3,601 ‘ ) 1,0146 the t ttO:!?id cordage 1,053 tons. o, in yarns 1.601 hauls. 2.794 tons. . 1, t 4 tti ; Oi t t Ow BBO barrels. Coitsraiq.....• 495 cwt. 5 tons. ... . t z• ....................... . ehe e ' — 1 . 1 11 3 , .forts,.4 re-manufacture lB6 ..! 611 ... .................. .......... . 4 4t,,, 11,1 1 oak 4,802 loads. elm 703 oak and teak 12,826 1,251 24 plgiish s. d. 115,0 , 0 0 0 200,000 0 0 51,500 0 0 205,000 0 0 36,000 0 1. 11-,001 0 0 110,000 0 Q 144,3'21 0 1 X s. d 207,000 0 0 210,000 o o' 82,126 0 0 408,40(ii o 148,400 0 0 10,260 0 0 55,8 , 5 0 0 90,280 0 0 !220,500 0 0 I, ~ ....2k i._ , :rgliiii %, -...' ,-ti k i - Tei vn 209 mtri. 'or, I A , Zl 4 , i 4 1. Ilit t ; .. ...., 1 4 , .large ',... tor ~,glarld masts 11 ..., . fo i „ ar il . ~,a sts .. 1,692 ........... be r 4,1 t. ot ,t4i, ............ ......... 41 fi 5 107 1 7 r 1 , 1 , e t, o, t r tit , • 1 7. i4ve'lirl„,:ttr,i,;'giket with respect to the navy had been ,;; htf I,i, 'Y no less pers , on than the Duke nt 'tu t ti 4 ,h a ' • •Id %OW b f h the statenient which he - Y ou„ i .1.1,e would show that it was entirely des op . r aii on N - teti P" , iti,, • Such wateinents as had been m..de I , • , for th L• ‘ri e „ -e th e suoject, if tney went uncunt.ra l'ee t h e utirl, r . mi t . , and travelled into foreign ;,. t hvet l i t _ l4l . , st authnrity, could not tad to pro ' e 'ur ,Judicial effect, and give rise to great in- Hr nn ' l l ' t it hiT', l ; tran - saction.. He their ouh, WY to make a frank an I phin state riot Ile Pro t ., 4° btE cting our naval character. I rio t It e Vat.. th • t'ty of such articles 3 , 1 atle, the 9P'e a d vt i Y p t ., o li etore, un i be - C.use . they could_ i : t b uk 4%t ' age e V ou 1 He could state in the . first s a „e suiription of the ddf-tent arm es "nri(9FE4l°. and w hi c h was in stole on th , 4nd s l astly, the quantity in store at .£ a. d. 2,300 0 0 24 465 0 0 44,000 0 0 54,733 0 0 43,3 0 0 0 4.740 0 0 26,310 0 0 15,052 0 0 present. The Hight Hon. Baronet during his whole speech repeated his arithmetical details with so much rapidity, and in such quick succession, that it was totally impossible to follow him with such accuracy as to satisfy ourselves. The following were the particulars :- On 31st Dec., 1830, the number of loads of timber in store was 56,633, hod the expenditure 15,401 loads. In 1831 the number was 67,329, and the expenditure was 11,331. In 1832, the number in store was 64,023, and the expenditure 12,406, showing a difference of 9,565 loads more in store on the Slat of December, 1830, than upon the Slat of December, 1629. Then of hemp, in• eluding yarn, the average annual expenditure of which, for these four years, was 2.347 tons, there were in store, in 1829, 9,950 tons; in 1830, 7,394; in 1831, 11,;06; • in 1833, 11,416, showing an increase of 1,466 tons. Of cables and cordage, the annual average expenditure of which was 2.069 tons, there were in store in 1829, 3,38 C ; in 1830, 3,500; in 1831, 3,746 ; in 1852, 3,649; exhibiting an increase of 261 tons. Of canvass, of which the annual average expenditure was 19.191 bolts, there were in store, in 1829, 38,121 ; in 1830, 33, 667 ; in 1831, 43.069 ; in 1832, 36,041 ; increase since 1832, 4 920. Anchors, annual average expendi ture, 4701, number in store, in 1829, 2,304 ; in 1830, 2,509 ; in 1831, 2,538 ; in 1832, 2,516 ; increase since 1829, 212. Chain cables, annual av rage expenditure, 250 ; in store, in 1829, 641 ; in 1830, 725 ; in 1831, 748 ; in 1832, 740: increase since 1329, 139. Frigates. LOWER MASTS IN STORE. Ships of the line. In 1829 '3B 1830 1831 1832 3l TOP MASTS IN STORE. In 1829 1830 1831 1832 SPARS FOR TOP MASTS IN STORE. In 18 , 9 097 18A1 0.43 1831 54 1832 SPARS FOR LOWER YARDS. In 1829 (01 1830 1831 493 1132 583 He would now refer the Hou.e to the sums that had been expended in stores in the three years of the Noble Duke's Administration, and to the sums that had been expended in the two y ars sub..quent to the present IMi nistets coming into office, with also the amount th,t would he expended under the present estimates. The Right Hon. B.ironet then read the following table of the sums of money paid for the purchase of stores in the ears 1828. 1829, and 1830, and in the years 1831, 1832, and 1833 :- Ist of January to 21st of December. 1823 15 , 9 1930 £1,798,3 - 20 1311 1 : 1833 (Estimate for ISM.) 928,89.0 5.30; 00 49 - 2;29 i ,946,1;0 Increase in the last three years Of eanvass there %%ere 33,667 pieces in 1830, and 36,061 in 1832. There were 2.011 anat.'s in 1830, awl 2.516 in 1832. There were only 23 chain cables if. 1830, in 1832 ther.' were 780. In 1830 there were 36 top-inas , s ;in 1832. 446 Of spit-is, in 1830, there were 34 ; in 1832, 349. In 1828 'her.• had been ex p«rled in the purchase of stores 563,0001. ; in 1629, 697,000/. ; in 1830, 538,000/. ; making in all, during these three years, 1,798 000/. In 1831 the presen' Alinisters had expended in round nurnbets, for naval stores 923 0001. ; in 1832. 530,000/. ; and they proposed, in 1833, to expend 492,000/. ; making, during these three years, an expendituf e upon naval stores of about 1 946,0001 altogether. A return had been made of the money value of the stores consumed during several years. The Right Finn. Baronet then proceeded to state the value fur each year; but admitted that the data on which these state ments were framed were somewhat fall 'chins, as thy showed only the quantity issued, and not the quantity con sumed. A large quantity of salt provisions were fee quentiy issued for the army and navy, and sent to distant stations, where they were condemned, and occasioned con siderable loss to the country. The following statement embodies the particulars which are necessary to be at tended to on this subj.-c , : An Account of Provisions and Vi consumed in the Provisions and vic tualling stores for all services, 1831 Ditto, :8W Total in 1831 andl 1832 Consumed less than purchased ictualling Stores purchased and ears 1831, 1832. Difference. Less More Purchased. Consumed. cons. cons. th n than purch. purch. 677,515 592M41 85,474 537,800 581,737 46,937 1,215,316 1,176,778 85,474 46,9.17 38,537 ~ 2.15,3i5 .1,t115,315 No'rr —The price; ort 831 arc taken at the same rate as 1832, except for salt meat, which was at 41. Iss. 3d. per tierce in the former year, and 51. 19s. Bd. in the latter, amounting to 25,::87/. Ile felt almost ashamed to trouide the House by entering into such details ; but he thought it expedient, fur the purpose of rebutting so grave a charge as that which had been brought against the Board of Admiralty on this head. He would, therefore, now proceed to point their attention to some particulars relative to the stores which were purchased on account of the Board of Admiralty. They were compelled, by existing contracts, to take a certain quantity of staves, and the quantity, reckoning on the average of the consumpt:on of a certain description of these during last year, would last SOS years; the stock of another description would last 535 years. The quantity of hoops would last 900 years. He only stated these particulars as a specimen of the stare in which things stood. He would next proceed to another head, upon which it wis desirable that a saving should be made. He meant the half-pay—a subject to which he had long directed the most zealous attention. Be would now state the reductions they had made in the half-pay expenditure of the navy. Tie Right Hon. Baronet then read the fr:l - table Half-pay of all Officers in the Navy, in the years 1829, 1831, and 1833. Ist of January, 1829 X 1,023,248 0 1831 Less in two years Ist of January, 1831 1,022,013 0 0 1833 980,370 0 0 Less in two years 'fhe House would see front this table that his !Majesty's Ministers had, in the course of the two last years, reduced that portion of the expenditure by 41,6431.; that was to sly, at the rite of about 20,0001. a y, ar. This aro.e from adhering strictly to a regulation which had been adopted before the present Ministry came into office, and of which the% claimed n"ne of the merit, except in so far as tl.ey had carried it strictly into effect. The regulation to which he alluded, was that of never making more than one appointment for every three vacancies that occurred. He knew with what jealousy the Hon. Member fir Mid dlesex was in the habit of watching every thing connected with this subject, and he (Si , J. Graham) had made a few calculations fir the purpose of meeting his views. In 1828 and 1q29, 213 midshipuien hid been promo'ed to the rank of Lieuten nts; in 1829 and 1830, 132 ; in 1831 and 1832, SS. In 1828 and 1829, 139 Lieu tenants had been promoted to the rank of Commanders; in 1829 and 1830, 100 ; in 1831 and 1832, 37. In 1828 and 1829, 57 Commanders were made Post-Cap tains; in 1829 and 1830, 51 ; in 1831 and 1832, 17. He hoped, immediately alter the recess, to lay before the House the bal.me-s eet of the last year ; to show the votes of the House with regard to the navy, and the man ner in which those votes had been applied. He now came to the part of the case which was the most important, and on which he was ti e most anxious—namely, what should henceforth be the n ival establishment. For t e due satisfaction of those Hon. Memb-rs who were natu rally jealous of the extent of that establishim nr, he would comp tie it with the establishments is antecedent periods. He held in his hand a statemen , of the amount of our naval ,stablishnient from the revo.ution in 1688 ; hut he would confine hunseli to a statement of what it was in the year 1778, and in the ye r to which the Hun. Member for Middle-ex was so f of referring. In 1773 we hail a hundred and tw , lay three sail of the line in urinary, and alt-gether four hundred and forty ips of war. In 1792 we had a hum !red and V irty. nine sail of the line, and altogether tour hundred and sixty-eight ships of war. At present we bad a hundred and eighty sail of the line, and altogether five hundred and twenty ships of war. He was bound, however, to state, that of the ships of the line, the larger rates ab,ive 74 were nitwit clime than proportionably increased ; so that at present it won d require a larger maritime force to man our navy if ;t were all hard out than this country had ever before possessed. He would now mention the number of ships actually in service belonging to the siveral maritime powers. France haft 34 sail of the line and 37 frigates; Russia, 36 sail of the line and 17 frigates ; the United States of America, eight sail of the line and 16 frigates. He would not mention the precise amount of our force, but would merely state that we had more at sea and fewer building than any other naval power.. Adverting to the question on which he had upon a former occasion differed so much from the Hon. Member for Middlesex—newels-, the necessity of being provided with timber and stores in our yards to meet any sudden emergency that might arise —he woofi read an extract from the report that hail b een made on the state of the navy of the United States of America to Congress, by the Secretary of the Navy, in order to show the sense which was entertained in that ! country of the expediency of being so provided :—" The I property on hand at the several yards, consisting chiefly' of timber, iron, copper, and arms, continues to increase in amount. The whole now exceeds in value the sum of ' 5.579,917 dollars.—(Hear, bear.) Independent of what is provided for repairs of vessels, we have on hand the frames for four ships of the line, seven frigates, four sloops, and three steam batteries ; 900 tons of iron, 45S tons of copper, 93 tons of lead, 2,232 can non and carronades, 3,501 muskets, about thrice as mane pistols and cutlasses, 228,905 round and double-headed cannon-balls, besides grape mud canister ; 35,0001115. of powder, 193,3521b5. of sulphur, and about double that quantity in nitre. For further particulars under this head, reference may he had to the annexed Report. In creased attention has been bestowed on the due arrange• ment and preservation of all these materials, and new securities for their proper use and the accountability for them, will probably be introduced into the revised Naval Regu'ations now preparing. Without much previous attention to the extent and quality of these materials, it will never be in our power, in any future emergency, to develop suddenly, and employ efficiently, the great naval capab limits of this country for annoyance of an en , my, and for protection to our commerce, as well as for marl time defence. The Act of Congress, for the gradual im provement of the navy will expire next March, and this occasion is seined to recommend the continuance of its appropriations for the purchase of these materials, as well as for other valuable purposes, at least six years longer. It these materials are gradually collected, and well preserved, in such quantities as to enable us, in addition to the force usually in commission, forthwith, in any crisis, to put our vessels that may be in ordinary and on the stocks into a condition fur active and efficient service, and to build and equip suitably such other vessels as our great commercial marine will assist us fully to man, we shall then exercise that true foresight, and that sound and sagacious economy in respect to this branch of the public service, which all exp-rience of our own tind other nations recommends, and which the present flourishing state of our country justi fies. Without any increase of the numb •r of seamen ac tually serving in tee navy during peace, every sailor on our 2,000 miles of seabotoil, on our noble tivers and vast I ekes, can then be considered as in a course of training to man the numerous vi aseis or war, which our interests, our rights, and our honour might at any future period re quite us to arm ; and our countless steam-vessels on the navigable waters connected with some of our frontiers, could then, in an emer. ency, be at once supplied wiih the proper munitions of war, and be so far equipp.d as float ing batteries, that they would furnish new and powerful aid, not only in the rapid transportation of men and stores, but in repressing hostile depredations near our snores, and in repelling an invading foe. Though nomi nally, as to vessels in commission, only the fifth or sixth naval power in the world, and not expending over one eighth of the annual amount paid by some nations to maintain a naval establishmeet, yet, if we look to the true elements of naval poser, to our ships in ordinary and on the stocks to our materials for building and equip tn,nt collected and collecting, to our large commercial ma rine, whether of merchant vessels or steam-boa's, to our flou rishing fisher ies, our extended sea-co ist and excellent har bours, to our large number of navigable rivers and inland seas, and likewise to our position with regard to other nations, with few neighbours bordering on us by land, and an ocean rolling between us and most of the Governments with whom we are likely to have collision, it must be manifest that our greatest exposure and denser are on the water, nal that our means of attack and defence there, if duly husbanded and developed, vial probably a'ways prove equal to sustain us with credit in any hostilities into which the convulsions of the world may hereafter plunge our peaceful confederacy." lie now came to the immediate vote a Lich he was about to have the honour of proposing to the Committee. It was proposed to vote for the service of the year, eighteen thousand seamen and nine thousand royal marines, that most valuable anti double handed force, which was equal!)t available at sea Dad ashore. Below this it was not proposed to reduce the naval establishment of the country-. It might be said, by the advocates of the reduction of our estimates to the lowest possible state, that at the present period, one of profound peace, the reduction might be almost unlimited. He admitted thit the present was a state of profound peace ; but, nevertheless, there were many grave and im portant considerations which ought to weigh with us in preventing the reduction of our navy hermit a certain point. Whether we considered the importance of our East Indian Empire, and the nec•ssity for its security of maintaining a fleet in the Indian Seas—whether we con sidered the importance of keeping up, on the coast of South America, for the protection of British commerce, a naval force equal to that of France and the United States—whether we considered the import ince of pro tecting our Fisheries and our West India Colonies— whether we considered the importance of having a naval force on the coast of Arica to prevent the revival of that detestable traffic in human beings which it was so highly to our honour that we had done so much to put down—whether we considered the importance of pre serving our naval superiority in the Mediterranean, that scene of the frequent triumph of our flag—whether we considered the importance of maintaining a moderate naval force on our own shores, for the purpose of affording re gular relief to foreign stations—we roust feel that there were many grave and serious considerations which should operate to prevent us from diminishing our strength so extensively as to endanger the interests and honour of the country. He was well aware that that House was pledged to public economy ; but be was quite sure that lie should nut call upon them in vain for such a measure of expense as was indispensable to preserve those interests and that honour. Unless we preserved the means of asserting our naval superiority, we should risk the tarnishing of our :Jury, and the loss of our rank among the nations of the world. While we did preserve those means, we should hive nothing to fear from abroad, nor have any appre hension that the constituents of that House would blame them for an expenditure recommended by so many consi derations. The Bight Hon. Baronet concluded by moving, " That there be employed for the service of the year com mencing on the Ist of April, 1833, twenty-seven thousand men, including nine thousand Royal M triaes." Captain YORKE, referring to the statement of the Right Hon. Baronet, in answer to a former statement of his (Capt. Yorke's), respecting the want of spars and masts in the yard at Portsmouth to supply those injured in men of war coming in to be r fitted, rapt essed his persua sion that the mists to which the Right Hon. Baronet alluded, could not have been in the yard at the time men tioned by him (Captain Yorke), but must have been else• where. As a proof of the accuracy of his statement, he would mention, that when the Sparliate, on coining into pert, was oblin-d to have all her lower masts taken out, the Nelson's foremast was placed in her as a mainmast. Now it might he the practice—as the Right Hon. Baronet said—fir ships in ordinary thus to of the means of supplying toasts and spars that were suddenly required. He (Captain Yerke) ;vas not aware of it, anti thought the double operation both inconvenient and expensive. The Right Han. Baronet said, that there were more stores in the dockyards than when the Doke of Welltngton's Administration terminated. When the Right lion. Baronet came into office in 1830, there was a great accumulation of stoles, owing to apprelien-i •ns which were entertained at that period of the possible disturbance of the peace of Europe; and those stores, as well as the surplus of 130;0001n had been employed by the Right Hon. B trot.et in the naval service. Torre could be no doubt that every' saving that was compatible it ith the effic ency of the ser vice ought to be effect d ; but he was cortvincsd that the system now put suing by the Right Hon. Baronet would be ruinous. The consolidation of the boards, which hail taken place last year, had been attended with touch incon venience, and in his (Captain Yorke's) opinion, it would hav e been much better if the suggestion of Sg. Geoige Cockbut n hail been adopted. Of the abolition of the Coll ge of Naval Architec•ure, he highly approved. But the appointment of Ciptairi Symitetis, a naval officer, to a :situation which was naturally lo iked up to by the regu larly trained and rap rieliced shipwrights ut the King's suds, Was, in his opinion, inexpedient. He would now Illak•• a few comments on another a al a recent proceeding of the Rig tit Hem. B trotter's ; and in doing so lie wood' apply his remarks to the principle of th at proceeding, and not to the individual immediately affected by it. It was held by the Right Honoterable Baronet, that a naval officer commanding ott any station was thereby incapacitated f or b e i ng a M em b er o f t h at H ouse . 'I his was a doctrine which he (Captain Yorke) tad never before heard successfully maintained. He had al ways underst , oil that an English officer, if prep rly qua lith' in other ets, hail an undoubted right to offer himself - to the choice of any body of his country men as their representative. The Right Hon. Baronet had in this respect p , oceeded ou the principle advocated by the floe. Member for Middlesex, who, however, hal contra dicted that principle on a recent occasion on which be had presented a petition to that House. He thought he had made out a case against the principle sought to be established the Right Hon.' SecretarY; for assuredly there was no necessity for the Admiral to be constantly on the sta tion, when he had a superintendent and other able as sistants always at his command. If, however, the prin ciple were to obtain at all, ti.en, in his opinion, it should be carried much further. The Gallant Captain here read an order lately issued by the Admiralty, authorizing sea- i men to remove from one vessel to another, and which be stigmatised as of a most injudicious character, and likely to be destructive to the best interests of the service. If it I had been issued to gain popularity amongst the men, it would undoubtedly fail in so doing. Sir S. PECHELL said a few words, which were alto. gether inaudible in the gallery. Sir EDWARD CODRINGTON, after stating that the dockyards were in a more efficient state at present than ever before known, proceeded to remark on the unceasing complaints about slight pensions to Avorn-fait naval officers, while the enormous retiring allowances of the civil servants of the mint' y were comparatively unheeded. The lion. George Stapleton had been entered as having served 59 years, mud allowed 1,000/. a year pension ; and I Mr. Jackson, who was a master in the service, had been rated at 35 years only, and allowed 433/. per annum. Fifty five years ago he knew both these individuals in the service ; and why was it, then, that one had been in creased in his standing in the service, in order to auement his pension, and the other decreased, that his allowance I should be diminished ? He could go into many other hems of that sort, which would strike all in the House with asto nishment. William Clifton, whom he did not think was old enough for such an allowance, received 1001. per an num more than he (Sir Edward) did, and he had been in the service since the year 1 7 5 . The late Secretary to the Admiralty, after five years' service, received a pension of 1,500/. a year ; and on what ground was this given to a man who aid not know a boat from a ship ? A lady of the name of Hawkins, the sister of three officers who had seen service in every quarter, and greatly distinguished themselves, applied in vain to the Admiralty for pension or assi-tanee, and she might have gone without for ever but tor the kindness of his present Mijesty, tien Lord High Admiral, who put her down upon his own list for 501. annually. Let this denial be put in contrast with time sum of 300/. per annum paid to Miss Rosamond Cruker._( Hear, hear.) Sir Robert Seppings, a man who had saved the country immense sums, arid whose ser vices had been of the most important character for the last fifty years, had been reduced to thirty nine years, and a pension of 760/. He did not understand why the ectu number of years of service should ever be reduced or increased—why, by tt is method, some persons should receive so much larger pensions than others The pur. sets of the navy, a most meritorious class of men, were very unfairly treated. He knew one of the name of El hot, who hair in fact been a purser in his own ship, who had frequently been on boat service and also on watch, and who, after forty years' laborious services, was allowed en application, the sum of 4s. a day. Another equally efficient and valuable man that he knew had 3s. per day allowance. The capt tins' cleiks fared no better. He knew one of the name of Wickham, who was a captain's clerk in the battle of Naval in, and received five wounds whilst carrying important messages—a man who had been for years in the service—who hail been everywhere—who had ken during that severe winter with Ciptain Parry in the Arctic rm glom', and by his poetry and prose—(Loud laughter)—been the very life of the crew, and who was still a captain's clerk, without any chance of promotion. Give him (Sir Edward) pcssession of the pensions, and he would content the whole navy with them. There were ennugb of them undeserved to make those happy who did deserve them.—(Hear, hear.) He hoped time First Lord of the Admiralty would turn his attention to these matters, that justice might be dune to every branch of the service—such justice us the people would approve. No honest or correct principle was acted upon. He recollected in 1819, an individual, named George Booth, presented a document from Lord Exmouth at the Admiralty, and because it was signed Elia ard Pellew, the late Secretary called the bearer of it a forger. Being rath r stout and very irritable—(Loud laughter)—he was about to retort in another way, when time Secretary hastily retired to the Board ; and merely because this person would not submit to be called a forger, he was erasrd from the Navy List, and it was only in consequence of repeated remonstrance that he was rein stated. Another person—a man destitute of character, who had been found guilty of robbery on board the Day frigate, and degraded and incapacitated far any further service by a Courtmartial, had been pro moted to the rank of Master. Let them contrast these two cases. A certain Right Honourable Member beneath him (Sir R. Peel, we believe) had sated things most derogatory to his (Sir Edward's) character, anti whi la as they were not true, he trusted- the House would al ow him to say something about. He stated that some thousand Greek slaves passed throUgh the fleet in Nava rin Bay (as we understood the Gillent Officer). The Right Hon. Gentleman had stated that he was not posi tive whether there might not be same difference as to the number of the Greek slaves, but that some event of that sort bad taken place ; and that he could assure the House, that within forty eight hours of the probability of that event cursing to the knowledge of the Government, strict injunctions had been sent out to the Admiral ; and that, if lie had complied with them, the event would nut have taken place. He (Admiral Codrington) felt this to be an imputation on his character, which he prized above everything else—fur which alone he had served—(H, ar, hear, hear)—and which he would defy mortal man justly to impeach. He was in the Mediterranean when lie read this in Galignani's paper (he afterwards found the statement puWislied in the same manner in the Mirror of Parliament); he immediately wrote home to the Government, but he had received no explanation. Now, what would the House think, when he informed them, that the letter said to be sent out within forty-eight hours was, in fact, a letter that be did rot receive till twenty-eight days after its date; and which, besides, did not contain one word to prevent tile transmission of the Greek slaves? Having made tt is statement—which he did because he saw the Right Hon. Gentlemen in his place—he called on the Right Hon. Gentleman to answer it ; and be should now proceed to speak to the other part of the question. Some Hon. Members had expressed themselves in favour of granting a sum of money as a re ward for eminent services, instead of continuing naval sinecures for that purpose. lle should be in favour of that plan, but that he thought the matter would be left too much in time discretion of the First Lord of the Trea sury. ; who, if lie were a great economist, might not feel very ready to support a vote of that sort. But fur that objection the plan seemed to him a good one ; and he thought that the services of such men as Sir F. Foley, and Lord de Satunarez, and others whom he could men rinn, deserved some such reward. In his opinion, the Marines were an ill-used corps. The high office of In specter of Marines was filled by a gentlemen who wis net a marine office:, and he thought that they had a right to comela n that a man was taken from another service to fill such a post. Mr. GOULBURN should not have said one word on this occasien, but for whet had fallen from the Hon. Admiral, who hail thought fit tii cast an imputation upon a Right Hon. Gentleman now no longer a Member of till. House. As his Right Hon. Friend was absent when thus attacked, and would have no opportunity of replying to that attack in the plice where it was made, he (Mr. Goulburn) eliould think it his duty to say a few words in answer to it.—LAdmiral Codrineton said, he had. called fur an answer nom the Right Hon. 13aronet (Sir R. Peel) who was there to erre, tr for himself.]—lie (Mr. Gaul but n) should not have had time presumption to interfere in order to explain the conduct of his Right Hon. Friend the Member for Tamworth, who was present, and was su well able to defend himself; he rose only to defend the conduct 01 a Right Hon Friend who was absent, and who had been made the sehjeet of the Hem Admiral's attack; he meant the late Secretary to the Admiralty.—(Hear, hear.) The Hon. Admiral had spoken of his feelings as a gentleman ; be (Mr. Goulliurn) respected those feelings of which the Hon. Admiral was , o tender ; he entered kr', those feelings ; but when the Hon. Admiral made his remarks as he had done, it was impossiale not to think dust it would have been more consistent with the feelings of a gentleman, if the Hen. Admiral had con sidered in his remarks, that a man who held a civil office had a title to have his feelings respected as much as any other person—(Heer, heat).--and that a man who made an accusation, was boun I to know the facts on whi, h lie rustleand was doubly inexcusable if he did not know them It ,s , vhen he had ample means to be acquainted with theta.--(Hear, hear.) The Hon. Admiral had drawn a contrast betw e en I Secretary to the A mirel. y and an officer float. He (Mr. Gmmuleurn) did not object to that comparioin. H e aid not object even to time Hon. Ad ruirel's opinion upon it, if that opinion was justified by the facts of the c se; but he did object to the Hon. Ad mird's swing that the retiring pension which his Right lion• Ft lend now enjoyed was the reward of five years' service. —(Hear.) He thought that there was net a man in the whole country, except the Hon. Admiral, who was ignorant of the length of time during which is Right Hon. F. jaw' had filled a situation of great responsibility anti diffi culty; it was a period, not of five years, but of twenty three years, during nine of which the country was e ngaged in active warfare, and the Right Hon. Gentleman was I mboriously occupied not only during the day, but often even snraugh the night in the labours of his office. The papers on the Table showed dais to be the fact—paptrs, of which the Hon. Admiral ought not to have been ig norant when he made his statement respecting the length of service of the Right Hon, Oeutleonao,—(Hear, hear.) (Sir E. Codrington said something which was inaudible in the Gallery.) The Hon. Admir a l had ac cused a party who was absent, and bad given no one the means of knowing of the accusation, so as to be prepared with the means of contradicting it. Of that part of the Hon. Ad miral's speech he should, therefore, say nothing—be had not the means of observing upon it ; but he must again repeat, that none but the Hon. Admiral could have been so ignorant of the fact as to suppose that the retiring pension of the late Secretary to the Admiralty had been granted upon only five years' service. —(Hear. ) Admiral CODIUNGTON, in explanation, observed that he had said the Right Hon. Gentleman was, by the rules in the book, entitled to a pension at the end of five Years' service. —(Hear, hear.) That was his statement. —(Hear, hear.) God knows (added the Hon. Admiral) I well remember the time that the Right Hon. Gentleman was there.—(Cheers.) Mr. GOULBURN—The Hon. Admiral said that he well knew the 1-ngth of time that the Right Hon. Secre tary had served in the Admiralty. He (tlr. Goulburn), asked why, well knowing it, he bad taken especial care not to state it?—(Hear.) Sir R. PEEL observed, that if be did not rise itnme diately upon the Hon. Admiral's sitting down, it was that he felt justice required that the explanation relative to a Right Hon. Gentleman who was absent should first be given. He must say, that in the whole course of the Parliamentary experience of any man who now heard him, there never had been a more extraordinary appeal than that wiich the Hon. Admiral had just made. In 1827, the battle of Navarin was fought. He (Sir R. Peel) was recalled to office in 1828. A question was then put to him on the subject of the battle, or of the affaits of Greece, and it was his duty to give the best answer he could to it. In giving that answer, and in making some comment on the remarks on the subject of that engage ment, it appeared that he had made some statement which had given offence to the Hon. Admiral. The Hon. Admiral aid that he had read that statement inacaalig nani's paper, and that that statement did not correspond with the fact.—(Admiral CODRINCTON said that he found the same report in the Mirror of Parliament.) Well, then, the Mirror of Parliament. But was he to be made now responsible for statements published of him in Galignani'o paper or the Mirror of Parliament—state ments made four years since, and the subject of which had course in that time escsped his memory ? He was always willing enough to do justice to any man about whom he had made, or was reported to have made, an erroneous statement; but was there any fairness in withholding from him an imputation of this sort at the time when, if he had male it, he could have best explained it, and then calling on him five years afterwards for an explana tion—(Hear, hear)—and not even then condescending to state what Galignani had put into his mouth ;—(Hear, hear)—and what he was expected to answer —(Hear.) Surely the Hon. Admiral might have had the courtesy yesterday, or this morning, to have given him notice of this ruatter—(Hear, hear).—to have said that he was to be accused of doing the Hon. Admiral wrong. Had this been done, be should have done his best to have satisfied the Hon. Admit al—he should have referred to particulars about the several thousand slaves, and he should have then been prepared to meet the accusation of the Hon. Admiral. But now he was totally unprepared ; the more especially, as he had no concern with the instructions that led to that battle. Under these circumstances, and above all, because he bad no communication from the Hon. Admiral, he was now quite unable to give any explanation from memory a'one. Admiral CODRINGTON said he had made communi cation about this matter in three official letters ; that he wrote to Lord Melville, requesting him to lay the letter before the Right Hon. Baronet; that he did so, because that was the more regular and business-like way, and that he menti , ined it afterwards to Mr. W. Peel. Sir R. PEEL observed, that the Honourable Admiral ought to have given him notice that he was to be called on to•night. He had at first intended to give an answer to this matter trom the debates themselves ; he accordingly asked a friend to frtch him, not the Mirror of Parlia• went, for that was not in their library, but the Podia mentary Debates; but the volume he wanted could not he procured at the moment. He was now glad that it could not, for he did nut think that he was called on, in justice to himself, to give from such materials alone an answer to a matter thus unexpectedly put forward. He again protested against being made responsible for what appeared either in Galignani's paper or the Mirror of Parliament, and repeated that he ought to have had no tice of this matter.—(Hear, hear.) Admiral CODRINoTON said that he should take the opportunity of asking that question again at another time, when he trusted the Right Hon. Gentleman would be better prepared. Capt tin BERKELEY said, that after the admirable statement of the Right Hon. Gentleman, the First Lord of the Admiralty, he should feel himself called upon to support the vote nose proposed. Mr. HUME insisted that the vote ought to be reduced. Much of the money voted for the navy was uselessly ex pended. We hAI paid away uselessly since the peace as much money as would more than equip two such fleets as the Americans had now. We had great quantities of stores that were now rotting away. That was the way in which the public money was wasted. The Americans had but five frigates, three of the larger and two of the smaller class; they had a commerce as extensive as ours, and yet they found this force sufficient to protect it. Now, in 1828, instead of the five or six ships of the Americans, we had no less than 170 ships, exclusive of packets, and the number now was 118. He believed that half that ❑umber would be sufficient for us. He did not want CO go back to the standard of 1792, as he was accused of doing ; but to that recommended by the Finance Com mittee in 1817. Our navy was kept up merely as a means of patronage. There was no justice done to men serving in it, unless they had Parli inientary or Aristo cratic connections. Such men rose in four or five years to high promotions, while others served for 20 or 30 years without auy promotion whatever. The question the Committee now had to decide was, whether they would vote a body of 27,000 men for the navy, when 20,000 had been thought sufficient six years since. He should move as an amendment, that the vote should he reduced by substituting 20,000 men for 27,000 men, as he thought tie 20,000 were amply sufficient. Mr. G. F. YOUNG said that he had but a few words to say, and those were, to express his gratification at the statements made by Hor. and Go lant Officers on the (Aber side of the House, that the British Naval service was becoming popular among seamen, and shut for the future it would not be necessary to have recourse to the odious system of impressment. That matter was one that had lung engaged his attention, and be was prepared to move, if no omber Hon. Mem' er did, that a Select Committee be appointed to inquire into this subject. Mr. C. BUSS, from the continued cries of " Hear, hew," and " Question," was almost entirely inaudible in the gillery. The only remark that fell from the 11,n. Alen] 4 ler that we cou;d ca , ch was, that he doubted whether the consolidating of the Navy and Victualling Boards with the Admiralty, which took place last year. would be pro dtioive of any beneficial results. It would take another year to see how the plan winked, and before a positive opinion could he formed on the matter. Mr. GUEST considered thit unler the present circum stances of the country, 'Ministers should adopt practical measures of economy. The reduction of men proposed was too great, yet he thought that Ministers might begin with a reduction of 2 000. The Committee then divided, when there appeared— For the original motion 337 Against it . Majority —3li3 Being re-admitted into the g .llery, we tound Mr.- HUME, contending that nothing could be more stupid than the way iu which navy estimates were voted. T e number of Admirals and other Officers were not spe cified, but Officers and men were huddled together in the greatest contusion. Rich respect to the army, it was very different, for the number of Generals, Colonels, and regi ments were sta-ed, so that au insight into the estimates for each might be obtained. On the question that the 955,220/. proposed to be granted to his Majes,y for the wages, clothing, &c., of the said 27,000 men, be reduced by 6,9751., Sir J. GRAHAM obj cred to the reduction, and de fended the system of Marines, who, he said, were by an Order in Council su-jected to the same rules and regulas thins as ordinary naval men. Mr. O'CONNELL put it to the Committee to say, whether or not they were prepared to vote away the money of th , public for th avowed purpose of maint ining -inecur.s? Tue question had reduced its,lf to one of sine cm es or no sinecures : and the (location for a reformed Clouse of Commons to determine was, whether or not they wou ld support the motion for economy of his Hun. Friend the Mem er f r Middlesex ? Mr. SANDFORD supported the estimate as laid before the Roos- by hi , Maj.•sty's Government. Mr. ROBINSON observed that no exception what ever hid been taken to the personal merits or servic s of the individual officers—the question was one entirely of principle; but after the best reflection which he could bestow on it, he did not find it in Lis power to support the motion of hie Hon. Friend the Mem.. a for Nfiiltlits2x; fir, if that motion were agreed to, it e.ould go at once to deprive six or eight meritorious offi c rtt of their means of subsistence, and of the reward ler honourable and useful services to which they were justly entitled. He should be for putting an end prospectively to those sinecures; whereas, the motion of his Hon. Ff ienl would have a retrospective operation. Mr. HUIIE said, that all he contended for was, that t? , ose places should be removed as sinecures. He should be perfectly willing to support a motion for giving to ell. naval officers of high desert the rewards to which their services might entitle them. By adopting his motion, hey would get rid of the existing sinecures, and prevent tbepossible abuse of them in future. Mr. N.• CALVERT would certainly support the esti tnit.. grasiietvosutos abuse foro; of h though power ughther o e f had b in een ,i i nt. in times pasta , vet he did not apprehend there was now much danger of the continuance of that abuse; and be thought those of. tiers against which the amendment of the Hon. Afember for Middlesex was directed formed means of rewarding meritorious officers which it would be highly inexpedient to abolish. Mr. WILDS supported the amendment. Mr. W. PETER said, that if the Hon. Member for Middlesex could show that these appointments bad been improperly made, or that the least possible saving could fairly and honestly accrue to the country from the abolition of them, he would most cordially vote in support of the •amendment. The case, however, he believed, to be quite the reverse. These promotions could be shown, for a long series of years, to have been bestowed on the oldest :Ind most deserving officers—(hear, hear)—on men who, if deprived of such rewards, would be en titled, as it was admitted on all sides, to pensions or increased pay, in lieu of them. As for calling them sine cures, they were no more sinecures than coloneleies of regi ments.—(Hear, and laughter from the Opposition benches. Ile contended that they were not sinecures, but rewards, the cheapest rewards, for past services. By uniting hu nitir with emolument, they were the means of s?vine mo ney to the country. Let the Honourable 3lember point out one single instance of ebuse in the present appointments, and he would vote with him for withholding the salary from any person thus improperly appointed. What, however, he (Mr. Peter) looked at was the substance, not the shadow of things, and unless it could be shown that the proposed amendment was in some way calculated to save the public money, or to benefit the country, he felt it his duty to vote against it. Colonel HAY supported the estimate. Major HANDLEY said he had reason to know that by many of the officers those situations were considered de • grading, and he should therefore support the amendment. Mr. BRISCOE said that on a former occasion he had voted against a motion of the Hon. Member for Middlesex on the subject of sinecures; he had since seen reason to regret that vote, and he should now endeavour to repair the error by votinz with him on the present. The per sons filling the offices now under the consideration of the House had no duties to perform, and should, therefore, as he conceived, no longer receive any portion of the pub he, money. Lord PALMERSTON hoped that the House would not allow itself to be carried away by words. The question really was not one of sinecures or no sinecures, but whether they should legislate prospectively or retrospec t ively—whether they should continue to meritorious pub lic servants the just rewards of brillivit services, and of . lives devoted to the service of their country. Mr. PETRE also supported the estimate. Mr. GISBORNE observed, that when upon a former occasion the Hon. Member for Middh sex had brought the subject of sinecures under the consideration of the House, he was met by the argument, that if there were under that motion, and that time, any step taken, it would amount to a direct interference with the prerogative of the Crown ; and a great many other arguments of equal force were urged against it ; and his Hon. Fiend was told to wait until the several estimates were brought before the Ilouse of Commons—now a reformed House of Commons; but the bringing forward of the estimates affirded that opp irtunity to which his lion. Friend was referred, and now they were assailed with an app-al ad niisericordiam. That he thought should not fur a moment be attended to, and for this simple reason, that the proposition of the Member for Middlesex did not go to do the slightest injury to the present incumbents of offices, since he and all who supported him were perfectly willing to make suitable prevision for all those officers. Sir ROBERT PRICE contended that the offices in question were not sinecures properly so called, and that the cheapest and moat advantageous mode of rewardinE public services of the nature referred to was by offices which carried with them honourable distinction, ani at the same time some small emolument. Mr. PLUMPTRE would not depart from the vote which he had given on the former occasion. Lord - EBRINGTON way not disposed to yield to the appeal ad misericordiam ; but he did think it was a highly advantageous practice thus to reward public ,ervice, by combining, at a small expenditure, honour with emolument. Nlr. O'DWYER desired to know when and where the retrenchments so often spoken of were to commence? Sir JAMES GRAHAM replied, that reductions had b.en effected in the last year to the extent of 2,100,0001. He was asked, would those reduc'ions go on ? He should say, Yes ; and for proof of that assertion he should rto the estimates then before them. Already re luetions to the extent of 400,000/. or 500,000/. hid been effected. Mr. HERRIES said the last Administration had been fully as desirous to reduce taxation, and as successful in &dug so, as the present Government. The Administration of the Duke of Wellington, with which he had had the honour of being connected, had made a reduction of three millions in one year. Mr. HUME said Hon. Members complained that he p inted out no case of abuse. Had he not mentioned the case of Sir Augustus Fi,zelarence, which was a most abo ut noble case of abuse? An HON MEMBER said he was ready to support di:. lion. Member fur Middlesex in any specific case which h biou4ht forward. Mr. HUME could not reckon upon such support ; it wdi the loop-hole through which they all got nut. If offi cers were to be paid salaries, he wished that each indivi dual case should be laid before the House, in order that it alight be deliberated on. It was said such subjects should not come under the consideration of a popular assembly ; but he wished the representatives of the people would piy mere attention to them than they did. He trusted, that before the end of the p,esent session there would he an end to all binecutes and unmerited pensions. It officers were to receive pay, it would be given to them under the real— wit fictitions denomination.—(Cries of " Question.") The House then divided—. For the original motion For the amendment B3 Majority -110 418.0001. was then voted for the department of the M wines for the present year. Tt.e House then re-umed. CHURCH TEMPORALITIES (IREL!aND) BILL. Lrnd ALTHORP postponed the Comm,ttee on the Tempomlities Rill till Monday next. Mr. KENNEDY moved the 'coral reading of the Scot, tiah Burgh Police Bill. Mr. R. STEWART objected to the motion, because the Bill had not been printed. It was accordingly postponed. The Scotch Revtnue Bill then passed through a Corn. mitre, and was ordered to be committed to-morrow (this Cy). The Stafford Bribery Indemnity Bill, as amended, was read a second time. Mr. CLAY presented several petitions from parishes in the Tower Hamlets against Sunday trading ; and from S , ratford-le-Bow, Mile end, Old Town, and Stepney., praying for the repeal of the assessed taxes. The HON. AlEsta&ft then presented a petition front Thomas Urquhart, one of the Younger Brothers of the Trinity House, praying for an inquiry into the conduct of that Corporation. Mr. PENDARVES presented several petitions front places in Cornwall, against slavery. The House adjourned at two o'clock. We understand a considerable improvement has taken place in the shawl trade of this c,ty. As a proof of this the weavers have got an advance in prices to s considerable ainount.—Edinburgh Advertiser. RHEUMATISNi, GOUT, COUGHS, AND COLDS.—Life Pill 4, entirely ♦egetable, discovered by the Rev. C. CARRINGTON, Vicar of Berkeley, one of his ALtjemty's Deputy Lieutenants, &c., far the entp!ry of (lloucester. Enford, Wilts, June R. 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