The Sun. — London, England, 1830-11-04 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. MUSE OF LORDS—(LAST RIGHT). Thar Lordships met at Half-past Twelve o'clock.. The Earl of JERSEY informed their Lordships, that , the (King had desired him to inform the House that his IkLiiesty would receive the Address which their Lordships had voted, in. answer to his Speech, at St. James's Nine, after one &thick. . The Loan CILANCELLOR, the Marquis Buzz, and other Peers present, then proceeded in state to St. James's Pa lace, and the House adjourned to. to,morow. 'ROUSE OF COMMONS.—(tAST, NIGHT. ) tefore proceeding with the regular business of the House this day, the SPXAKER, stated that private petitions could not be received after the 25th of February. Sir 3. NEWPORT gave. notice, that he should move en the 23d of November for leave to bring in a Bill,. hay. Stag for its object the improvement of the Irish Grand Jury Law.. The Right Hon. Gentleman also gave notice, that lie should take an early opportunity to . submit to the consi. deration of the House a measure relative to the Board of First Fiuits. Sir J. 'MACKINTOSH expressed his intention to pre sent a petition concerning 'the Danish claims on the' same day, namely, the 281 of November. Mr. O'CONNELL gave notice, that 'he should move on the Ilth of November for leave to bring in a Bill to re. peal the Irish Subletting Act. It was likewise his inter'. tion to move, on the 7th of December, for leave to bring in a Bill for P.adiral Itefinan in the prosentsystern of Par liamentary'Representation. Mr. LITTLETON gave notice of a motion for the Ifilth of November, respecting the payment of liitioureral wages -otherwise than in money. Mr. C. W. WYNNE stated that on tomorrow (this day) Its thould move for leave to bring in a Bill to re. peal the Act 'that requires the taking the Oath of Alt. auration—( Hear, hear)—and also to obviate the nixes. • city for Alembera of Parliament being sworn before' the Lord Steward. Mr. KENNEDY gave notice that it was his ittittition to •move at an early period of the Session forltiatt to bring in a Bill extending the Eleet'a,e rranchise in the -cities and boroughs of Scotland.`-a-leheora..)...:Petitions - were then p r e sente d aga i nst an trileatil Undue return at the late elections for Rye, Pei th, Malden, and other places, and regulations for their future classific a tion • %%et . p r o poll and agreed to. Mr. C. W. WYNNE suggested that in consemienee of the number of election petitions, four ballots a day ought to he taken instead of two, commencing with the 11th of 'December. Mr. BROUGHAM assented to the arrangement, but •vecommended that an !additional week should he allowed! in the case of Scotch eleetioni, as the parties in question . might not be prepared for bringing such inquirica to so speedy an issue. This proposal was adopted accordingly. Mr. GREENE presented a petition from the hector and other inhabitants of Whittingliam, in Lancashire, for the Abolition of the Slave Trade. Mr. O'CONNELL presented a - petition front certain persist*, confined, fur debt in the Four Courts - Marshalsea, , Dublin, complaining of the discipline' of that prison, and praying that the abuses of the Court of Conscience might be torrected. Mr. lIUME took that opportunity to ask the right lion. Home Secretary whether he was prepared to intro dune any measure for the amendment of the law respecting imprissiiment for small debts. Sir It. PEEL replied that he hail no such intention. The Law Commissioners, at his suggestion, had expressed themselves quite willing to take up the subject, hitt stated at the ladle time, that they were already employed upon matters of much more importance. Ile was therefotealis• inclined to interrupt their lemurs, or interfere with busi ness already intrusted to much.abler hands; hut it was, perfectly competent for the lion. Gentleman himself to in troduce a Bill of the nature he recommended, if the subject appeared to him too pressing to admit of any postpone ment.—(llear, heir.) Sir S. NEWPORT complained that too great a delay in man% on the suggestions of the Commissioners had already taken place, and adverted more particularly to the remissness displayed by the Law Officers of the Crown relative to the Sheriff's. bill of het Session, Mr. 'DOHERTY denied this imputation, Which' he thought was sufficiently disproved by the fact that many .regulations in compliance with the opinion of the Cons cnissioners had already been introduced. Night after night last &Won had his attended, to the hours of three and four in the morning, for the purpose of carrying the Bill alluded to, but hail always failed, owing to that accumula tion of business before thus House. Air. O'CONNELL bore testimony to the truth of the Hon. Gentleman's statement, and remarked, that the fate of this Bill was in itself a proof of the ill effects of the present Parliamentary hours on the public busineta of the country. , me. HUME again animadverted on the remissness of the Right Hon. Secretary in not bringing in the Bill Of, which he had.jost spoken. Why should he thus endea vour to shift his ditty from his own'shoulders fur the pur pose of palming it on his? , What else was he paid fur? —(Laughter.) --As to himself, he had already promoted petition upon petition relative to this very subject, and had invariably been treated by the Attorney-General with insolence and contemt. Ha was, therefore averse to tin dirt:ace such a task, however necessary lie might deein it, because healid not choose to expose himself to the risk of being insulted.—(Laught i er.)—lt was much 'to tie feared; however, from the whole aspect of his Majesty's . Speech, that Ministers w e re di s p ose d to at t en d rather to. foreign politics than to tint interests of their country at. hoMe. Sir R. PEEL most eatnestly disclaimed the indifference to law reform which the lion. Member had ascribed 'to hits, He was alWays ready to, devote. to the amelioration of the law as moth time as he could set apart from the onerous and important duties of lia office -4ltear.) Mr. ANGELO TAYLOR had always considered im prisonment for debt as a disgrace to the county in which it prevailed, and theretbre should gladly support any loco , sure for its abolition. He doubted, however,. very moil ! Whether the Common Law Commiseionera could, owing to the magnitude and variety of the subjects of their in vestigation, bestow the attention to the "matter which it merited. At the stuns, time he was free to admit that dui Right Hon. Home Secretary was not officially responsible for bringing forward the Bill propmed by the Iron. Mem ber for Middlesex. . The petition was ordered to be printed. STATE or BELGIUM.' - Mr. 110I1I1011SE gave notice, that he should on Friday, the 12th inst., snout pn Addretal tp the Crew on the relations of this Coontiy to Belgiimi... l .(flaitr, hoary) . WEST INDIA SLAVERY'. Mr. BROUGHAM gave ,notice of a : motion for Oa 215th instant for the abe'lition of pip%) ideally. The 'oil,. ject was one of ileep-fil(intortatice to the Unitril Kipp dam, and therefore one on whitsb no time ishould lio 10,t in bringing it nefbre Parliam e nt : ''He meant to confine him self on that, day to calling the attention of the House to the general question of negro slavery,. by mevlpit for 14, Committee Or consider the best and speediest tee in. for'ita total abolition, and should 'postpone to future day the consideration of the several mattlim of detail involved in the general question, , Petition& for the abolition of tietr,r9 slavery were pre sented from Canterbury, (2), by Lard Fordwich ;_frost} the Isle of Ely, by ; Lord F, Othoroe 1..-frorn Bloxbarn, by Mr. Payne ; from Aloorgreau, .spats, by Air, Montan ; —front Leicetter,,hY Lewes F. 'NealkerS Gloucester, (9) ' by Mr. Phillpotta i« ,from Oxford, by, Mr.', Might, ...-lionom Devizes, Wilton,,and New Sarum, by to r . Drn o t i , ..-front , Sonthompton, by Sir fi„ Start horn Ney. eastle.upott-Tyno and other ;daces. t'OTE BY BALLOT. , Mr, 'WARBURTON gave ,notice, that. lie .tionuld on the 2 6 th of Fehruary submit to the House a propositio n , that the Rata's at elections of Members 4,41 1 ,4 1 . 10, 0 , should henceforward be taken by ballot, , On the motion of Mr. Honors, retort,* were urarre4 of the amount of raves paid to the poor of the several neristo io England and Wales liy the twurtterd in the last year. , Mr. ii UME gave notice, that he 'should to.moripw move in address . to the Crowe for copies of all the Treaties its existen ce oesw eg o thist!OUntry and Belgitim, MO Portugal. CHINA TRADE. Alr. W. I .VIIITMORE gave notice, that lie should the i2d instost itlhinit to the.ilonse curtain resolution's oo the trade ofti e s i otsistry wills China. COAST DUTY ON COALS- Mi. RICE gave withal that 'he should, oil Elie 11th December, move for a Omit of the duty on `sris.borisc coals in the Bolted Kingdom. (4% thii couture of Sir 11. 'PArtlitir4, returns 'Wore ordered of the roman of the imports of tobacco; foreign isser tee, Entree* brandy, and get,eila, tvi!lt the airlottyt sat ditty paid, Ise:. for 41orrit r uttautaystinn, 00E4 the jant yi•ar. Lord AUQEN'I' gray s , noliee of 4 trwtiort for Friday, t 6 19th inist.',for heave to bring io a Usti for prshiilin g nloymerit for the labouring potw, ‘viti adequate wastes, Mr. 1111011011 AM 'gave notice, that to, 00,04 no dist day week move for ;cave t,, ) f,ring we , , titGihs to thht which he hail ititooitteti to the lioui a last pais r 0,11, 4, County Courts. As the Olttlitt of the Din was thin per. nay undcrotootl, ha 'did nut expect a I.4:lli,iiinx seal tht occasion of-toying for leave to bring it in, and therefore saw no objection to his taking the first stage on a Wednerday,...-.a a day on which it w as generally, understood. there shouldhe no important or lengthened discussion. Lord P. LI GOWER gave notice, that he should on Thursday, the II th inViint,Move. fift. a Cbinmittee en the Tolle and Custom atlrelatuk BILSINESS'pr THE HOUSE. . Sir R.' PEltt, : io moving tn , submit to the Mose the usual arrangements, in obediente to which an certain days the orders of the Mute `about(' have a priority of notice, wished to make one or two observations on the general Inoineca of the Honse."--(Hear.) The experience of the last Seasion, anti the etidence of the several notices of mo. • tiona which hail hcen given that evening, chewed them that it waif a matter of great impertancathat some under. standing shoulil be come tt with it view to facilitate the progress of tlLi puhlia business. It was exceedingly diffi. cult to devise a mode by which this end could be attained with satisfaction to all patties. It was very easy for any Hon. Member who did net fill a public Capacity, to move that the House should meet at ten (Mock ; and if only the pensonal inconvenience ef Rat. Members were to be taken into account, it titottlil give way, cis au objection hot suf ficiently Validt but this was not the objection which he cniortilittlkto the proposition; Ida was founded on the important nature of the public duties of many Members of that Houses riii s 1 n 04 of great importance occupied several Wolfer* of the executive—himself, fit example—. darthg the while of the morning, up to the . time the Reuse usually met—business which could not be neg.. , lected,, nor even negligently performed, without dettitnent of the piddle service. How, then, could those occupied in the pehlienffiees he in their seats at an early hour?— (Hear, hear.) . Then there was the business of Commit tees, also of paramount importance—indeed, Without dis-. paragitnent to the House at large, he might safely say that the business of Parliament could not go en without the aid of Committees. !kV, he should like to know, could Members attend tO their duties in that House, and to the important linainess of Committees, if the House met in the mertoing?....;s(Hear.) Under these circumstances, be felt an unwillingness to depart from the ordinary usages of the House, and should indeed have felt at a loss what to sug gest to facilitate the public bwiness, but for the volun tary after of the Right lion. Speaker, in the spirit of that I sacrifice of all , personal consideration to the promotion of the public service which • had ever distinguished him since he was first raised to the Chair--(Loud - cheers)—to take the Chair at three instead of the usual hour of four o'cleck,-.4llear, hear,)---By this means one clear hour would be gained Air the diacossion of private business, He therefore proposed that the Speaker should take the Chair each day at three o'clock, with the understanding that the public business should commence at five o'cloek.—(Hear.) Committeefausoelly met at twelve, and ended their labours at four o'clock. He proi;ofied that they should meet at eleven, and sit till three o'clock, anti thus be enabled to attend to their business in that House. He doubted very much the policy of precluding Hon. Members altogether from the means of attending to their private affairs, and therefore would not propose that Committees should meet earlier than eleven o'clock; one bdur and a half—that was, the interval between post time, half past nine, and the time of Committee—was surely not too much for Hou. Menthol to attend to their afire, mid read the letters of their constituents.—(llear, hear.)—He did not propose the present arrangement as permanent, or say that other arrangements might not be expedient; he only proposed it as themost feasible within their reach. Air. BROUGHAM had a plan of his own to propose for facilitating the public business, but would postpone it in order to afford the experiment—for such he understood it to be—of the Right Hon. Bart. a fair trial. Too much could not be said in praise oldie spirit in which the Right Hon. Speaker had sacrificed an hour of the short time afforded to him for repose afttr his unremitting and most serious labours to the public-,(Cheers)—a sacrifice for which-he was sure the House and the country would feel duly grateful.—(ll,oud . eriee of Hear.)—There were se veral points of detail which might easily be arranged as as to enable the business to commence at three o'clock. For instance, it, would take time to familiarize Members with the change in the hour, so that it might often be difficult to lutve the requisite number (40) - of .Members to ennatiiute a : House. Perhaps, in the event of on two days nut a tufficient number attending, it Might be competent to the Speaker to have a call of, the House,—but all these matters admitted of an easy remedy. Colonel DAVIES wished to know whether it was meant that after five o'clock no public petitions should be pre sented ? Mr. HUME said that ..it was necessary to adopt some measures to prevent the public business from falling into the same state of arrear in which it had unfortunately got during the last Session and the Session which preceded it. To accomplish that object, he should propose that the House, besides sitting an additional hour each day, should she make Wednesday and Saturday days of business.— , (Murmurs from all parts of tl:e House, and cries of "No, n0.")......He admitted that it might be inconvenient ; but where public duty and private convenience clashed, it was ineumbint upon the representatives of the people to sacri fice their'convenience to the just claims of their country. He was convinced that if the two days which he had named were added to those already let Aside for public business, they would, with the additional hours w hi c h t h e • Howe was going to 44 every day, be sufficient for the transaction of the public business. There was, however, atiother improvement which he begged leave to suggert to the present. system. To allow gentlemen, to get through the business of the House properly, one hour ought to he alloteed them for ilioner.—(A i n ,t anee , after meeting. at. three o'clock, they might proceed with Joltiness till five o'cloek.• M that hour they might adjourn till six anti then meet again. - Under the pr esen t system or meeting at four, and going on without any adjournment, he had often eitifered, and he:had no. doubt that other Mem. bets had also buffered great inetnivenience.. When a great question was likely to'conie on, lie lied often been glad to make his dinner with a &son pears. [ye do not know whether Mr. Hume meant pears or pairs two words, though of different meaninge, being idrin sonanies : the deelaration was, however, received' with much laughter.] On such occesiobs he had often:seen a. House of two or three bundled Members reduced in a few minutes to a Melee of thirty or forty Members, Nay, whin even the greatest eloquence was addressing them, be had •seen -the benches deserted, anti queationi compulsorily postponed, because there was no audience to. listeo to the discussion. And why was that? Because dinner was ready. thought that if a certain hour were , set aside far dinner, more Members would attend regularly to their ditt6 than-they did at present' 'lndeed, it was almost impossible, under the present system, for a Member,' to attend to: hit ditties. in that .House, and to his. duties as a Member. of. its . Committees.. 'He often went.to.a. Committee at elevers.teclock in the morn.: ing, and: remained there till after three &clack. --Ile 'then mane down to the House with petitions :which he had to present; and there he was often obliged to• remain till five, six, and seven. seelocit. .Now was he to go away with his petitions unrepresented, or was he to remain in the How fasting? - He had remained fasting in the House for 16 or I'7 hours at a time 'fretpututly ; he bad done it not merely 60; but 400 times.4S-(A laugh.).-.llow few were there: base physical strength initild stand. it? For him self, he believed that he bail now got accustomed to' fut., ing.—(A should they not adopt the prac tice followed in other legislative assemblies-s-as, for in htenCe, in ,those of the United (states? There a bell rang. fur rlinner at: five n'alciek, and us soon 'at it rang, the threw was emptied immediately, even in the middle of a fi ne ven t eri c e ...-,(A. laugh•)io. ,4 I think, ' coati need 111 r. Hume, addressing himself to the Speaker, "that 1040164 is you, wr ought; to adopt a similar system, aa it is iwtil calculated to meet. your convenience. All those who kin)* the conetant attendance which yon are obliged , Its everylnorning, atid'the' perpetuatreference whirh is made tg you on points of form from the different Cons mitteas tibieb are them sitting, know - that an hour and a half is all the time that you.bave Out of ~the '2l, house to take exercise in Now, the system which I venture to reeoldisierel'intikt is more cumfOrtable to you, for it must . . . . hr convenient to you, Sir, to retire, at hoe &cloak to a econfortahle dinner, as no doubt your like to bare.--(A laugh.)-.41 - in Ant of ThtiliSinent could he passed to prevent gentlemen from-feeling ineonvenienee when they went with Mat their dinners it *mild be all well enough. unfortunately, such an Ant of Perlin. ment, tinder the present constitution of the human ;to math, would he nothing but a-dead letter. When heti nets, is tn he AIMS, it is i.iecesitry, that we itimild, nppiliach it in that-calm and equablo-teroper which. no man can poeseis wholntse gone walnut% his dinner. I - have head It °briniest; over, 'and over again, : by strantgera. who have visited this Metropolis,- and who have tomehow or other else visited this Hone, as a moat extraordinary occur. ranee, that, as soon as the dinner hour arrives, no in ducement can prevail -upon Members to stay in the House to listen to the discussions which may then be going on. We ,have often matters of the - deepest interest before ur, wbiel".,induee Many to stay who are ge nerally absent- from- our discussion'', Hut even then what . is the' genersl practiee? 'Why, Members stay in the House till seven o'clock ; then, es the hour of din ner „is fast' advancing, they pair off till ten &clock. At that hour-they-return again to their phicoi,. and give their votes upon questions ore which they have not heard ft wcrd the tishaW, As ibis is- it Xteiv kullanicut, I hope thal the House will feel it incumbent to take some measure to change the practice upon that point. If it does, I think that we may compress into a narrower compass much of our discussions, and do much more business than we have done in any of the late Sessions. Dining is a matter of pleasing gratification to many--(A laiigh)—to me, it is a matter almost of indifference. But any one who saw the manner of conducting business last Session must seer the necessity - of making some alteration in our mode of proceeding: common decency orders us to proceed upon a new course, as the whole country is crying out that our old system was 'a shame and a scandal to the House of .Commons." The Hon. Member then proceeded to advise' his Hon. Friend the Member for Waterford, not to press his motion for an adjournment every night at nine o'clock. He thought that a very useful compromise might be made, and he for one was ready to make it, provided the House would adopt his suggestions; and hie Hon Friend would abandon the strictness of his motion. He thought that they ought to meet at three o'clock, as hail been suggested by the Right Hon. Gentleman—that they should occupy themselves with private business till five ; that they should adjourn till six; that at six they should meet again, and proceed with public; business till twelve o'clock, it being distinctly understood that no new matter was to be taken after eleven o'clock. By such an arrange. ment any man, whether he was in a public office or had only private business to attend to, would be able on re-. tiring at twelve at night, to rise in the morning in 'a fi condition to meet the (lilies of his office. He said thstt it was impossible, for any man, with less than an iron strength of constitution, to discharge his duty as a man of business properly, at an early hour of the next morn.' ing, if he had been compelled to pass .the greater part of his night in that House. Let Hon. Members just rem!. feet how business was often transacted at iliac hour. He heel seen, more than once, seventy orders of the day dis posed of after midnight ; and l►e had often felt himself ob liged to sit up to a very late hour, for the mere purpose of stopping the discussion on matters, which, if lie had not oppcoed, would have been passed without any inquiry into their merits. He should sugg at as en amendment, upon the present system, that whenever petit ions were presented, one Minister of the Crown at least should be present to listen to their contents. Ile udinitted that this might be imposing a severe duty upon them ; but as the House was going to retire at. an earlier hour than had been usual in l►te Sessions, and as they would in consequence be exposed to much less laboUr that they had hither to been compelled to undertake, lie thought that they Might not to have any objection to take upon themselves the new but not unnecessary duty.--(llear.) Mr. 13110UPHAAI said that he rose to put a single question to his Ron. Friend the Member for Middlesex, protesting at the same time against his Hun. Friend's plan for sitting six days in the Week, a labour which no strength but that of his Hon. Friend, or of himself, or of a man of iron nerves, could undergo, no matter whether he was a mieister who had the public business to transact, or a private gentleman who had nothing to attend to but his own concerns.—( Hilar, bear. )_Protesting, then, against his Hon. Friend's proposal fur sitting on Wednesdays and Saturdays—Meer, hear,)—he would now proceed to put one question to him regarding his dining scheme. Having found easy means to empty the House of its Members at the hour of five by the ringing of one hell, ha now wished to know whether his Hon. Friend had got another bell to ring at six o'clock, to bring back to their duties those gen demon whom lie had scared away by the ringing of his first ?—(Hear, hear ; and a laugh,) Mr. C. FERGUSSON also expressed his conviction that the public Wiliness could not be conducted as it ought to be, unless some change were made in the present sys tem. Every important business was now brought on after midnight, and they it happened, that few subjects of para mount interest obtained the discuseion which they required. Ile had been earlier and later in that House than any Mem ber present, always excepting his Hen. Friend the Member for Middlesex.—(A loud tang universal cry of No, no," mixed with much laughter.) Ile repeated the assertion, and contended, that he bad lost a deal of his time in the House in listening to dull discussions on petitions, which could lead to no useful practical resultovlien the discus. lions ought rather to have been'reserved till the matter of them came before the House in sonic shape in which it might produce an useful practical result. Ile thought that petitioners bad no right to expect that a full discus sion should take place on the claims of their petitions when they were first presented • on the contrary, h e th oug ht the House had a right t o Again from entering into such discussion. There was another grievance, of which he thought every Member bad a right to complain. When fifty or sixty orders stood simultaneously together, no one, who wish e d t o b e present at t h e di scuss i on of any one of them, could be absent during any part of the time that the House teas sitting,—and every body knew that it sometimes sat from four o'clock in the afternoon to four o'clock in the morning. If such a person were absent for a single hour, it was very likely that on his return he would find that the question on which he wished to ex press his sentiments had been disposed of in silence during his absence; or, perhaps, at an earlier hour in the even ing. lie therefore thought that the orders of the day ought,;ln future, never to be taken out of their turn, but should coins on in regular rotation ; and that no preference should be given to any of them, merely because they had reference to the public business, or were brought forward under the auspices of Minister.. Mr. O'CONNELL was afraid that the suggestions of the Right Hon. Gentleman would be found insufficient to arrest an evil, of whose existence every Member seemed to be convinced. The beat mode of arresting its progress appeared to him to be this—to fix three days in tbe week for the transaction of the business of the House, and to fix other ihree days for the transaction of the business of Committees, the Committees not tieing allowed to sit on the same days with the House.. At any rate he thought that the Conoriittees ought to be empowered to sit upon Wednesdays aul Saturdays, as tl)e House did not usually transact businew on those days. With regard to the time of sitting, he had discovered, by reference to the Journals, that the practice of commencing their sittings at so late an hour in the day,was of very modern growth. Up to ti''' year 1793,.the chair was always taken at two or three o'clock, at least so Said Hated!. It appeared from their Journals, that in the year 1788, at eight o'clock in the morning 100 Member' were present, and the Speaker was • in the chair, In March, 1738, the debate was suppOsed to have commenced late, because it did not commence till eleven o'clock in the morning. The standing order of the year 1695, said that no new matter should be undertaken after one o'clock and that of the year 1098 said, that the orders of the day abould be read at twelve o'clock, The 4th of January, 1641, the day whieh was so celebrated, owing to the coining of Charles 1, to the bar—(Mr. Brougham..." To the chair")—tO seize the five Members, was the first day in which candles were lighted: in the Rouse. Such being the case, he saw no reason why the House should not recur to its ancient praCtice. His con stituents required an, adjournment at :an early hour, in order that Members might be in .a proper condition to per form the business' of the public..—(Cries of " Ohl oh I" and lenghter.)—Helad originally determinid to move the question of adjournment at nine o'clock, because he knew that an hour would be lest in diecutessonbefare it could be carried. He had; hawever, no objection to postpone the questiod :of adjournment till ten o'clock, so "that the House was up at eleven. To its sitting later than eleven o'clock, he could nut consent; but to that hour it might sit, so that they were all in bed by twelve o'clock.—(Laughter.) —llu should certainly feel it his duty to take measures to prevent the house from sitting later than eleven o'clock. Mr. MA I3EIU.Y made several observation's which did tint reach the gallery, owing to the confortion prevalent in the House. ; We understood him to express a hope that genie of the Right lion. Ceentlemen Opposite would give • an answer to the question which hail keen askedr.-whe tber the orders of the day would he taken in future in rotation, and without preference to these brought forward by the Government, . IiOntIOUSE Said that the lengthened discussion in which they were now engaged was a good practical illustration of the mode of doing business,—(Hear.)—He . thought that by the rlulation now 1311)plifieti those who were inclined to. shirk their duty would shirk it still, whilst' thorse who were not would not receive the slightest benefit from it. The only rank of it, would be that it would give the Speaker an opportunity of which he was at present deprived, namely,. the opportunity of taking refreshment. He thought that it would be for the benefit of the public if the House should, either by the Act of Parliament, or by a vote of its QW7I, take measures to place in the Speaker's chair, when he was uaal,i® to attend from indisposition, some other Member specialirappointed Mr the duty, either the Chairman of the Committee of Ways and Means, or seine other Member whom the House might select. He did not know whether this cods be done consistently with the forme of the Hume: but the occasions on which the individual se appointed should take the chair should only be those of, indispensable no. cessity.—(Hesr.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER 'rose in cousequone," o f the matinee in which the B un Member for iAbing•tion had called upon the members of his Majesty's lOovernment to reply to the questions Which he had, put 'respecting the practicability •of. taking the orders o f the pay. 4pon occasions r ill the orde r o f thew rotation. Speek ny any 'regard tu lii, own perionnil eonveniruee, iiitittle were to come to Otters deviiiou a, t h e ilea. Mem !but from i}je Metre conviOlO n ; " ha must say that if the her called for, it would preclude die Government from carrying on the bnsiness of the country. For instance, the business done in the Committee of Supply was often of indispensable necessity ; but if that business could only be taken as it came on in the order of the day, six weeks might elapse before the Minister who had to p repose it could bring it tinder the consideration of Parliament, and then, when he bad once lost his turn, be world he unable to regain it for,six weeks more, in consequence of the manner in which the orders of the day would be arranged. His feeling was, that on a question of this iMpottance they ought to act cautiously in their experiments. As to the idinner;plan of the Hon. Member for Middlesex, the objec tion to it had been so well put by the Hon. and Learned Member for Yorkshire, that he felt it unnecessary to press it further. In conclusion, he expressed' a hope that the House would agree to make the experiment which had been proposed by the Right Hon. Gentleman. • Mri MABERLY said, that the Bight lion. Gentleman had misunderstood the suggestion which he had thrown out. He had proposed that two days in the week should he deviated to the. Government business alone; such a re gulation, he was convinced, would ,be advantageotas, both for the Government and the House, It would also obviate the objection which the Right Hon. - Gentleman had just started. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUEP said, that he certainly had not understood the Hon. Member to have made such a statement as that which lie had just offered to the House. But even that statement did nut get rid of all the objections which he had to the Hon. Mem ber's scheme. Lord Ammar and Lord NuceNr said a few words, but they were inaudible in the gallery. Mr. BICE said that regulations, he was convinced, would not remedy the evils complained of, unless Hon. Member* would use their own discretion in addressing the House.—(Hear, hear.) He was afraid, ton, that the public would not be satisfied unless Wednesday were added to the days of public business. (Crier of " No, no.") Mr. D. W. HARVEY said, that in the whole-of this discussion it appested to be taken for granted that the petitions presented were indispensable, and that the number of them could not be diminished. Now, this was a very great. mistake. It was in the power of the House to lessen the number of petitions by taking away the causes of those petitions.—t-(llear, and laughter.) If the House would consent teParliamentarY reform, -to the reduction of taxa tion; and to the abolition of the slave trade, the only ques tion remaining -would be, how they should occupy .their time.—(Hear, and laughter.) Mr. N. CALVERT said it was evident that a discus- Sion like the present could lead to no practical result, end be begged to suggest that a Select CoMmittee should be appointed to consider the mode of conducting the business of the House. Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN complained, that though he had 13,000 or I LOOO'constittiento, he could never get an opportunity of speaking, except upon the presentation of petitions.—(llear and a laugh. )—He was, he was ashamed to say, in a scut of dose when his lion. Friend (Mr. Home) began his speech ; but when his Hon. Friend talked'about dining, he awoke op directly; at the sound of the word " dining," as, being an. Alderman, it was na tural he should,,--(Hear, and a laugh.) Hie Hon. Friend complained that others had prevented him from taking his dinner; hut let bin, tell his Ilon. Friend, that he (Mr. Howie) had; often, by his long speeches, prevented him ' (Mr. Alderman Weidman) from dining.--(Laughter.) That his lion. Friend did a very great deal of good in the House, he should be the last person to deny ; but he was quite sure that his Hen. Friend took up uo very small portion of the time of the House in doing it.—(Hear, and laughter.)—He wished his Hon. Friend would come among his (Mr., Alderman Weidman's) brethren in ..the City, and dine fur a few weeks with them. That would perhaps, give his Hon. Friend a salutary fit of the gout and lay bhn op for, a • week or. two, and then they would see whether his observation were not correct, and whether in the absence of his Hon. Friend, the public business could not be got through much more speedily,--lie would not say better; the fact was, that while those members who had the faculty of speaking half a dozen times in the course of a night persisted in 'exercising that faculty, no regulations would,do any good. Sir ROBERT PEEL said that all that bad taken place during this discussion contlimed him in the opinion he had expressed at the outset,- namely, that the (ovation was one of extreme difficulty. All that could be hoped for was, that Min. Meinhers Would use their individual discretion. Auy gentleman might, if Ire-pleased, detain the House fur four or five hours, and unlessgendemen would curtail their speeches, or the House put down the practice of enlarging unnecessarily upon fertile topics of argument and oratory, be did not see what good end any regulatiim could answer. (Hear, hear.)—They had got now into the habit of print ing almost every petition, and the reason assigned for, this course was, the prevention of lengthy discussions upon petitions ; yet, since this plan had been adopted, be was Pure that debates upon petitions had , been considerably lengthened. All that could be done by way of regulation on the subject was, as it appeared to him, to give 'up two hours to private business,—the public business being brought on always et five o'cleck. At the same time he thought it should be understood, that any gentleman who thought proper might present a petition at any other period of the evening-, if there should be no public business befbre die House. Yet, after all, almost every thing must depend upon the individual discretion of Hon. Members, who could do touch more than any regulation could effect to wards the attainment •of the desired end, if they would address themselves fairly and seriously to the sultiect under debate, laying aside all extraneous matter, and not indulg ing in surplusage, which never carried conviction with it, anal which often tended rather to obscure than . to throw light upon the subject before the Houte.—(Clicers.)L— Some of the suggestions" that had been thrown out were, he thought, obviously impracticable. If, for instance, they would agree to adjourn the House for an hour, at five o'clock, he order that Members Wright take their dinner, such . a regtilation would, he was sure, make no alteration • in the dinner-hours of the, majority of the House. They tvlio were accustomed te dine at seven o'clock, would still dine at that hour, and not between five and . six. Thin, againots t the proposal of the Hon. Member for. Waterford (Mr. O'Connell) of setting sside three-days for private business, lie thought they would rather lose than gain by that arrangement. It wasimpoisible to get through the public business in three &aye; and the evenings of the three days devoted to private businese would -be spent in some other way, anal nut in that anticipated by the Hun. -Member: Indeed, be did not see how 'gentlemen who had been attending commit tees all day could be expected to devote their evenings to the 031118 employment. What he proposed, therefore, was, that the House for the future should meet at three o'clock ; that r the time from three to five should be devoted to private business ; and that the public business should always com mence at five o'clock.—(Hear, hear.)—lf, however, this did not•theet the wishes of the House, then he thought the only course to he taken was to appoint a select Committee on the subject, as his lion. Friend (Mr. N. Calvert) op.. Oosite had recommended. WOOL) begged to know whether there was any onderittatuling with regard to the hour of adjournment. If there was, it ought to be made a Sanding order.— Hear," from Mr. O'Connell.).....He begged also to know whether Wednesday was to he added to the days of public litisiuess—(Cries of 6, No," 66 no , ;") en d whether, during , the time set apart for receiving petitions, one of the Mi nistere of the Crown woabt ha always preterit? • • Sir 11' PEEL thought it impassible to ix any hour for the edjoutrunent of the House.. A regulation of that Chi :racter would, he'Vvas convinced, lie extremely miechievo.ue, They must not,make it peremptory to break off in the midst of a diseoesion, nu matter, how important and how pressing that discuesion might Hear, fiver.) It ;would be better to leave it to the /loose to determine, on „ m e lo n made at the time, whether thil , should adjourn or 'Continua to.slt. As to adding Wednesday to the day of public business, his only objettien to that was, that he h it beyond the strength o f H onoura bl e M em b ers 'tea te u s P itfer five days in succesaion.--( Hear, hear.) If it should be Insisted on that Wednesday should be a day of public' busbies., lie was . quite sure that on Friday Hon. Members would find themselves too much jaded.—.too much 'exhausted, to apply themselves to the public busing,* in such a manner as the transaction of such business re. —(Hear, hear.) 'He could not, its be thought the would see, promise to he present every day during the presentation of petitions . . The duties of his office :would not allow him to make any such promise. This, however, he would promise, namely, that he would do ail l e could, consititeritly with his duty to the country, to be present every day.—(Cheera.) Mr.. HUME said that the Right Hon. Gentleman was not the only Minister of the Crown. All they required Was, that some Minister of the Crown should he present - during the presentation of petitions. Mr. C. W. WYNNE thought the Hon. Member for mid i n e sex (Mr. Hume) took a very extraordinary view of this iohjeot ; for it a petition 'related to a matter con nected with the Home Department, the pretence of the Colonial Seeretary or the Chancellor of the Exchequer would not be much more desirable than that of any Other )11ettiber.--(Hear; and laughten) The way, however, pf obviating the inconvenience which the Hon Member Uppeared anxious to guerd,againit woo, as it Appeared ) 1 101, obvious enough. Wh o! 'any Roo. Menthes' had a iietitiOU to present which be 'thought required' 'di. attest tient of Government, let him make a communication to the Minister to whose department the subject-matter of the petition belonged.. This would insure the attendance of that Minister.—(Hear,' hear.) Here the conversation dropped, and the usual sessional orders were tweed to without dis c ussi on . • - REPORT OF .7111:: ADDRESS. On the question being put that " the Report of the Ad dress'to his Majesty be brought up," Mr. MABERLY said, that be rose to enter his protest against the very extraordinary speech they had heard from the throne. He called it extraordinaey, because he thought nothing could be more extraordinary than for the ministers to put into the mouth of his Majesty a speech which omitted all mention of reform, and of reduction of taxa tion, the two; topics which agitated the , whole empire, from one end of it to the other. He would show the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite that he was not insen sible to the propriety of his supestion respecting speech. making in that House. lie would make, a short speech, and not dwell uselessly upon any but important topics He must, however, be allowed to say one word upon a topic which was not connected with the matters which he had risen for the litapose of addressing himself to. He alluded to the questiOn of repealing the Union. It ap peared to him that to agitate such a question could lead to no good, but that, on the contrary, it was calculated to open afresh those wounds which late measures he hoped would perfectly heal. lie would address himself to the two topics lie haul mentioned. First, his Majesty in his speech, said nothing about reduction of taxation. The word economy was tiled in the, speech as usual; but so it was last year, and yet they had no reduction in conse quence. He meant, no reduction in consequence of any thing in thir speech ; fur he was convinced that the re- ductions which were effected had not been contemplated by the Ministers, but were forced upon them by the voice of the Muse. This was all owing to the labours of the Finance Committee having been stopped. Then, as to ReforM, how had the Ministers treated the coun try He dirl ,not know whether it would be con sidered irregular fur him to allude to what had tak e n place elsewhere, but th e y must all be aware, that in another place, a Minister of the Crown had distinctly said that there should be no reform.—(Hear, hear.) Nay, this Minister had gone farther, and described the present system as an , excellent one,—as a system which worked extremely well.—(Hear, hear.) That it did work well he was ready to admit. It worked well fur Governors, but it worked very ill for the governed. For instance. how was he repreiented? He resided in Surrey ; and that county was said to send 14 Members to Parliament. Now by whom were these Members sent? The two for the county, two for Guildford, and two for Southwark, were sent by the people; the two Members fur Haslensere were the nominees of a certain Noble Lord ; the two Members for Getters were the nominees of another Noble Lord; the two Members for Ryegate were the nominees - of two Noble Lords ; and the Members, for Bletchingley were the nominees of a large coal-owner.—(Hear, and laughter.) Now was this condition of representation such as the people ought to endure? They had last night passed a resolution that Peers should not interfere in the election of Members of that House; but was not such a uesolutiun a mere farce when compared with facts like those he had stated ? Scot land was an instance of the want of reform. But the Prime Minister had told them that reform was n o t facet- miry, and that there shall be,no reform. He (Mr. Mi berly) would ask, hew could his Majesty expect a tranquil reign under such circumstances ?—(Hear, hear.) His Majesty was made to express his confidence that be should transmit the Constitution unimpaired to posterity, but ho (Mr. Maberly) hoped that it was not in the way meant by his Prime Minister, but that his Majesty should transmit a reformed Constitution to posterity. In this Speech, with which the public had been an disappointed, there was hardly a man in the country who did not expect the mention of the introduction of some moderate reform. He would ask those Members in that House who had constituent's, whe ther they would not commit a gross dereliction of their duty to their constituents if they did not at once raise their voices against those nominees of Peers wht were sent into that House to overpower the people. If his Majesty would' not reduce the taxes and reform the Parliament, he wits likely in twelve months to be the most unpopular mo ' nerds that ever sat upon the British Tbrone.—(Hear, hear. )—lss saying so, he was convinced that he only gave expression to the feelings of the people of the whole em pire. He was firmly impressed wiih the conviction that the tranquillity of the country would nut continue undis turbedunkss we had a reform in Parliament and a reduc tion of taxation. Those who opposed :reform might AO OM the advocates of it pf being desirous of introducing revolutionary principles and doctrines, but the time might shortly arrive when, the advocates of reform could turn round upon them and say-- ,, You who are against grant ing those rights and privileges, which not the lower or ders only but all the middle classes of society in this coun try demand, you may cry out against the reformers as re volutionary, but it is . you that are bringing in a revolution by refusing to reform the Parliament." From Ms know ledge of public opinion, he wouhl say, that they should have to repent grievously if they allowed the present Ses sion tole over without granting that which she people claimed. He would put it to those Members who really had - constituenti, whether they would allow the nominees of Peers and coal-owners to overpower them in that House.—(lrear, hear.) An Hon. Mem ern, whose name we could not le iris, con tended that such a subject as reforni had never been intro duced into a Speech from the Throne. For his own part, he declared that he had never yet seen any plan of reform to which he would give his assent. Mr. TENNYSOIN said, that though he was the repre sentative of a borough, he should always vote as ha had hitherto done, for - the people; and he should never give his support, to that degraded system 'open which the public opinion ref England had been often and so recently pro nounced. Though it was not unutual to omit the mention of reforinin the Speech from the Throne, his Illajeity's Ministers appeared blind to their own destruction in having done so on this occasion. His Grace of Wellington would soon see that it did not' depend , upon his Nigh b e h es t t o prevent the success of reform.—(Cheers.)—Public opinion would soon,prevail over the decision of Parliament, and while he (Me. Tennyson) trusted. that the Government would not precipitate the people into extreme measures, he coufidently hoped that the people had too much good sense to piecipttate themselves into anything like violence:— (Henri hear.).-His! Majesty', determination with regard to the Civil List, as annponced in the speech, was deserving of the highest praise, and would no doubt meet with the approbation of every man in the count r y. Th e H on . Member proceeded to' allude,. in eulogistic terms, to the conduct of the Marquis Camden, who had given up the profits of his sinecure to the coffers of the public treasury. He trusted! that such a noble example would be followed by . ether great ainecurista. There was no service, he con coved, which more demanded a favourable notice front the Sovereign of this country.s..-(Heer.)—After expressing 'his approbation of the paseage in the Speech relating to France, the.llop. Gentleman went on to say, that upon the other hand he disapproved as much of the passage re• garding the' Belgians.' He maintained that the public feeling of this country were embarked with the oppressed ',llelgians.—(llear, bear.)- • ..Nothing, in his opinion, was . 11 3 Ors calculsted to excite the indignation of the whole pee. plc of this country, than. such conduct on the part of hie Majesty's Ministers, who had abused the confidence which their Sovereign hkl placed in them, by putting into his mouth language en repugnant to his feelings.—,(Hea r.) :When they eliould come to the paragraph in the Adana, relating to the Belgians; be (Mr. Tennyson) should feel it his duty to move an amendment for the omission of that paragraph, and the insertion of soothel . . The language `to which be referred was' most unfit to be employed by a Sovereign who had just eucceeded to the Throne, and be (Mr. Tennyeon) would certainly move an amendment upon the paragraph in question in the Address. Mr. T. WOOD rime to address them, not as the Arm. her fora borough, but as the representative of a free and unbetight population, and ha would tell them how that populatiots would receive his Majesty's Speech. They would receive it (to barrow the phraseology of the Speech itself) " with grief and , intligoatiOn."—( Hear.) The hopes of, his Majesty's Ministers appeared to rest upon the . _ alarm tlqliad gone abroad, an d i t seeme d t h at w i t hi n t h e 'last few days certain great Peers ka4 given in their adhe sion to the Government, because they were afraid, as in 1792, that the revolutionary spirit would extend hero from France, and they wished to divert it by engaging us in a war. But be (Mr. Wood) hoped that Parliament would resist to the utmost of its power the grant of any subsidy or money, by which troops might be sent abroad, or as. distance afforded to interfere between the Dutch and the Belgians, or the Belgians and any other nationo—( Hear. ) lie was not opposed to the recognition of Don Miguel, hut he prayed thiPorteguese refugees not to trust to his _ - lumesty, not to rely upoi the word - of him who had vio. ated the most solemn oaths,' and lest they might rely with too great confidence upon the assurances of the Bri tish Government, be thought it right to remind them of the cam of the murdered Ney at Paris. In the Speech from the Throne his Majesty was made to say that "be could not view without grief and indignation the efforts Whiel l w e r e industriously made to excite amongst his people a spirit of discontent and disaffection." To whore itorts - were &content and disaffection, if they prevailed, ustly attributable? He would point to Statufintl, to 11.. baster, and to Newark, and t 4 thole Noble Iltere who in defiance of the Conitittition laitidegitilitli-thetn- NAM interfering in the election of the Bletitherii of that Howe These were the men.who bad excited discontent and affection.--(Hear, hey.) The subject of reform had omitted in the Speech--and that perhaps would nett been considered very remarkable, as it heti sem b' mentioned in.a speech from the throne; but the Bo Speech was generally followed by the Vennosois if I Miuisters, and the dictatorof the Crown bad said that form was not wanted,, end that reform they should have. Now, in the name and on the behalf of people of England; he (Mr. Wood) would say that 11 did want reform, and that they should bare reform. (Cheers.) He considered the repeal of the Vs a foolish and impracticable scheme, but the pea of Ireland should not be prevented from discus that or any other public question in the nun ' in which they had been prevented. The ,'cart s sent their nominees to that House might well alarmed by the late revolution in France, for the t charge in the articles of impeachment that had been der up against the wretched Exellinisters there, was for int fering in the elections, and depriving the people of Ii just rights and privileges. .Let net those Noble Peers the flattering unction to their wide, that the French Che her was the only plare where such an impeachment woo be referred. Itis Alajesty talked of transmitting the Co atitution unimpaired to esterity. Now the tr uth sr that. the Constitution was p just the government which adirtinistration thought proper to recommend to the Sit reign. The impeachment of the seven Bishops was hinding down of the Coustittition unimpaired tspostetit The introduction of the Dutch °nerds by 'Wilhite was f the purpose of handing the Constitution down uniinpair to posterity. The passing of the Septennial Aet wars nounced at the time to have a similar , a bj e ct tin view ; in the reign of George 111. we attempteCtO Anwri for a similar purpose. All these thing' ff were done sooth in order to transmit the Constitu tion unimpaired posterity, Indeed, so late as the reign of George IV., 1 were told that the Constitution mainly c wonsisted ten ri S bay o ing the Dissenters out of o ffi ce. Away, colts tha le" fabric of a vision," and 'the Constitution Wad Still t better from the change. The following year, when rel was about being extended to the Catholics, similar alas were excited, but the Catholic Bill was psl l . lll, a nd " w e'l year and a half after the passing .of it, Ids Majeto:7 !sistere put such wards as these into the nimithett Mlesty—that his object Was to transmit the 01;10406 unimpaired to posterity; He (3lr. Wood).was therde convinced, that if reform were once carried, ko4l l . . 6 f impaired to posterity.—(ll.•ar)-- -11 " 'Meetly lucceei }w entertained no doubt, it wits h,_ l 4 b l bade that in the next speech from the throne lin o.r ur i'outd speak as usual of transmitting the this speech from the throne would be received With joN nation throughout the cuntry. - Mr. LEADER said that .whers be hard etaternoe, made as to the mode in which his ffiejestS'e S P etd .' w :l,, be received in England-ik was rittlisioo 21 ; i : 'ti manner his (Mr Le:ulcers) cor.etitacuts wo uld ! if ; Ireland. Until the unfortunate and unjust !",":: p r o : taxation which was list Session directed 41 1° ` in the repeal of the Union .seal meet' u '"' D ke the people of that country. The name of the' e Wellington was always mentioned by thou with respecv and the anxious . deaire of all was to promote Pe nee t'i'bial establish tranquillity. Until that fatal measorstd in was fir s t intr oduced, the people of Ireland did no i t about a repeal of the Union. It w 0,11.1 he for. 701:: joie; • Government to take the state of Ireht. ll ,_,,, mediate consideration, and to devise coins , , effeettlatis,usto peditious measures of relief, in order to prevent t serious consequences to the empire. • ',made Mr. RUTH YIN hoped that the Government a continue in the course which had already heat Irelaindwtit situation in the scale of the Powers of Europe, !11l ti respect to her proper rank in • Ilse British einintewo; tvne could say that in the county became from, ` in Certain i f • spirit of disturbance, but • the people ars' . w eir none sod eentiinects f l irty, without any iptris _ to! Outdd, lead to animosity or tumult. The late well {nose had cauied disturbances, se might have been Wel labp ! and it was in vain to think of proclamation', for if the aubstetstisl " 1 " 91 Ta i : rl lll were not removed, agitation would not "m e ' die , el of restoring tranquillity to Ireland would be l , !, ) 1 7,f th PloYmeot to the poor ; but whilst the poeu.a:" it were vain. Let Ireland but receive patter) fr it, 10 ,. "` 1 4 ount-ey was idle and destitute , ail laud and there would be nntletlier o f dislot_ l l 4, l : l o f II present the greatest ;mischief -4M the 'l' m ". th e Poi whole of the inhabitarate of lard iuto c i l i a te ; niCdiste bin Were.tlivided front the right w ttay as j et , t o ed. to connect them, and a , tote of snide country could be tranquil ww exist•A. lee e raw obaersations WI Lord MORPETII would make bi Eon. fiend out transgressing the rule which the totibiroome, hopes of . tr man oppossite, the SecrettieY 0 1. ...„ 14 3 ouos ,e. owes' partment, had so judiciously 111 " w a I t wog soft 101 shortening the Ilboure of the flottse• ' t i" . o ld eperdi l ever, but exotelta his hope that the 7.a rile t o w r cease for giving at t en tion t o l ee land,l“). relief, arid in the mean time he' 1301 j h t ic i r i r : l iail r il ten ' would pursue in common thos e intsstrtes - l ost to the combined welfare of both countries. pito, b e in the Speech from th e Throne telatinf t° to l'ineeeiro whiEhbi* Hun, Friend behind him wiebed , For hie P,rtt cot saltily the sore place in the speech,' Fa, l' scat felt con v inced that if there were one o bo.' body of the people recognised Wet thin e_u i ) shod there were one line of policy which they 40s eiete r adopted more than any other, it was that w r no , o at (crevice iu the internal concern, of 8e1i1i0n i . .!,.. 04 eetteb,' eountty.—(Hear, hear,' from the .opeoll,..'d oprigo and " bear" front Sir Robert Peel.) ---Ile aio was only stopped by a few moments from imerehio nee don, in which lie had been anticipated renting tb Friend 'the Member for Westminster, fee p igio , II interference of this country in the affairs of ne t h e JO" only wished that blinisters would interfere W oo f a of that House, instead of inter f e ring in the i n o f 00 46 of other countries, He could not but that within that House,' and more Oil"' ' dee ply sr doors, the minds of all men were . reen t pressed with the conviction that the I" times of alarm, and pregnant with danger , ti the whole surface of the world was 'a nail fr! state. in how many quarters were the: i r e :l a epees scenes of great agitation. It °alai" 't est iftlrriar deny, and in some titles vain to regret, 10. oree political changers were in progreis,' th0ugh...41,0 f o y tt stances su ffi cient provocation had not been: ol . 002 countr might have cause to trent'''. alterations of Creverninent that Were Pr a4uci elii: etiaa could Only express hie satisfaction, that tiori p oi! ' here "1" no just ground of alarm of ecg l3 / 1 //u tern ' ll , l tranSit e t " score of alterations in the Governments #A-.4, the hie l he pain ful, and re-actions might mar for 1 that in tb Inge which they producer! , and yet Ile . b l a h l',7 4 i estete r. m country amendments would be e ff sc ted cos-' we resolved to enforce pribeiples of ceo 1 n° ll ffi c arlo oe to such a reform of Parliament as should b. a ded, to grant all that could with justice be dt al ,„ c e he° ;then take our stand against unsafe concessi"P!! osee that we should have th of 1 1 ° 4 ° nd ' lll e great mass " „ado, ft , sound .prioriple in the country upon au ' s e all 1111n v this would be the moot effeetual way, to.t! r e with which ' we might he nienactri..e;•('',`6'4liieb was equally certain that'an- administretton e mined upon a contrary course, pronwineed peeititing sentence air t ime itself fist it os' I 141 utter.—(Hear, hear.) c • i e Mr. WAYLAND' was of Opinion that, its degree of distress existed in the oetrotry,'*ollt" was attributable--to a disproportion- berr et :r., ;Id& triouspopuletion and the . productive <VIP°. a St.tr igi li try. We had an increasing polittlatient IT" sii/e or decreasing amount of productsve endeavour to discover the 1,04 means tu With t i to people and giving an impulee to capital. . , 0 04 111 it Was necessary to afford protection to ti e s of Capital. ,Ide did not mean to isay..tha "',. o eri general, but hue was convinced that it WAS roue'. ' . • e s to ter'sleelY diffused than some pectins dish' c oo Mr. ROBINSON acid they had met till"`.:Xv. s4 stances of no ordinary difficulty, which author.74;lo,,is Min who bad conaftuenea to represents to 16 °4 0 0 0 ' liner, however humble, by o ff ering advice to oto ote and the Goeernment as to the eitnation of al, 0 0 1 lie could not but express h ie .appreheneiona ftS ' , l ",: e port taus meaning of that expressi on in the Adriret. lie fu be omitted by the Hon. ffierriber neor Jhooti heves' that Governmeut t he no psvont totentton vi. e 0 1 interference in the case of the Netherlands, bu t t o 0 possible to say what would be the roods if we 000 selves up with the - Holy Alliance in thie rnif et the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite el.* i t) ,_,„„„,0 0 assurance that if we engaged in the too-007_4,0th practice of interfering in continental affairs (tif;;;; 1 o y had been so frequently the prolitio sourt s distress)—could th tieght Ilk. Gentleman .0 1 , s e ut e Hurled to t° oetit after entering armmediation 4 alo o rgo . we might not be compelled to follow II? L 7, he A li 08 1 Stith a hostile armament ?---( Hear. ) t h in Reel, that his constituents, and the peolli?,.. 3 f it isstyr ii groweally, were not p reps real to e„pport rernitteat in at .contitrental crusarle.-4 "74.41,00 Sts' not enough to occupy our attention 0 by