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Period of Delivery *Hui, In two months by aft to 0,, 9,000 Quarters. equal fortnightly proportions. ILAla cp ..... . 2O Toaa. On or before the ..... 30 Tone. Irith day of Js. T, AMBER lOO Quarter,. nuary next. Oniwhalt by the Ist WILLOW RODS FOR Fet ruary, and ' COOPZRIF TWIGS 3 500 Mille. the remainder by the 31st March • next. In the proportion of 20,1410 in every BISCUIT BAGS 80,000 Nutner, three months front the Ist day of January next. &Maple. 44 the Wheat, Raisins, Corot, Malt, and Wil kw Reds, mut be prOdueod by the party tendering ; that for Biscu it PAP, together with the Conditions of the Con - Fmk may be seen at th . 011 la VI. trash Tender mast specify the prise in word. at length, i f sad be .delivered before One o'sleek on the day appointed, the Perms who makes the Tender, or some Person on bek.a l 4, stmt attend to answer when Galled for. LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, DECEMBER 7, 1830. No. 11,030. PRICE 7D. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. 'int be abolished without another Act of Parliament, and not by a Treasury minute. He wished to understand from Hon. Gentlemen opposite what was intended to be !one? IL WALLER CLIFTON. This day was published, in Three Volumes, post Bro. pried!. Its. 61. THE SEA-KINGS IN ENGLAND. Mitoical Itninanee of the Time of Alfred. Ily the Author of " The Fall of Nineveh." Printed for Robert Cadell, Edinburgh ; and Whittaker Co., London. Who have now nearly ready, TALES of a GRANDFATHER, being Stories taken f, h root the History of France. By Sir WALTER SCOTT; 'Ant' Three small volumes, uniform with Tales from Small History . This day was kmblished, in Svc). price 105. 6d. 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First, Second, and "'bird Series; being Stories taken from Scottish History, a rub. 11. 11s. 6d. half bound. , - Also, The SEA-KINGS in ENGLAND ; a Romance, by Ow Author of " The Fall of Nineveh," 3 vols. post octavo, itZIL I la. 611. • This day wits published, price Sixpence, CORRESPONDENCE between the Eight ' . Hon. It. WILMOT HORTON and a SELECT II 4 ASS Of MEMBERS of the LONDON MECHANICS' 'iTITUTION, formed for inveatigatinF the most efficb. I tut remedies for the present ,DISTRESS among the JABOURING CLASSES in the United' Kingdom, loih' to er with the Resolutions adopted by the Class. Also a ',• Winn from the Right Hon. WILMOT HORTON I°l4 . PIRKI3ECK President of the Institution, and hie 4 ntwer. i • a tested to the Bight Hon. R. WILMOT HORTON. ,l' a tlntetl for Baldwin and Co. Paternoster - row; and Z 1" I* at the London Mechanics' Institution, No. 29, „ ( hithampton budding', Chancery-lane. pa FOURTH EDITION. Preesed into three Pocket Volumes, to correspond with the FAMILY LIBRARY, only 12s. "DEATH-BED SCENES, and PAS TORAL CONVERSATIONS. thin ZanY ,persons having suggested that the edition , of "ork. hitherto in use, are not sufficiently adapted for General circulation ; another it here presented to the ttiblie, in the more portable shape of three pocket volumes, d'at one-third of the original prier. We flatter our •; g oes, theref ore , t h at i t w i ll not on l y mee t th e wi s hes of t 111 " who have called for it, but also be universally ac avphible."—Editor's Preface John Murray, Albemarle street, EDUCATION OF YOUTH. ktutt. SMITH AND DOLI Ell l B LECTURES ON THEIR .I,M AND iNvrntows FOR FACILITATINO /1E EDUCATION OF YOUTH. d id t) *. Saturday evening the first of these Lectures was ZiZ r er ed hY Mr. John Smith, (nne'of the Editors . of the P° ol Mercury) st the City of London Literary and, ""ific Institution, Aldersgate.sereet, to an audience I„.Nisting of shout fi ve hundred ladies and gentlemen.' t4Antie,s_Lecturer paid a just tribute to the importance . of ed!i tdi and to the liberality; of our countrymen in eina e4temaiv'e and pffectual plans for the instruction hitpoor. He larnitnted, however, that the public mparig lied not hith er to d one muc h towar d s th e encourage t etof improvements in the early education of youth of higlier classes— du t* f practical kind.—such Wouhl " laa a a the lower clauses i n t , ' " able them to keep pace w ith , ;II kenerul advancement, and that notwithstanding the Z 14 .44 2f:1e held out hy Prance, by several of the German and by America, in rendering education part utolocee of the Government, this country bad not, yet commenced the important duty of encouraging improve ments in such a manner as to ensure the general good not of the poor only but of ell ranks of society. The progress of practical education, among all these, was strikingly great in the States to which he alluded, and he hoped means would be taken to prevent this country from losing its precedence either in this or in any other respect. Mr. Smith then proceeded to give a miss of most va luable euggestions on the best mode of training the minds of children from the very cradle upwards. We sincerely wish every parent, and every nurse-maid in the metropo lis; nay, indeed, every person who is likely to become such, or who have younger brothers or sisters under their care, hail been present ,to hear those suggestions. They were calculated to form virtuous characters, to afford bo dily and mental vigiur, to emancipate children from the terrors either of the rod or of foolish stories, to excite in them a taste for rational pleasures, and to protect them from a thousand errors. All the observations on this sub ject rivetted the attention of the audience, and the amusing anecdotes with which they were enlivened elicited the most unanimous approbation. There was scarcely a subject connected with the management of young persona which the Leetirer did not throw some light upon, and render deeply interesting ; and he opened one subject re specting which his auditors will be anxious to hear the remainder of his observations--namely the inutility, and entire non-necessity, of grammar tasks. The abolition of these (which has happily been effected in some few schools l , will go far towards rendering education much More agree able than it has hitherto been. ro - render it so in all re ' spectra appears to be Masers . Smith "and Delier's laudable °Nett, for.in the Second Lecture tie ore promieed a de tail and explanation of planswhich effect an eitraordinary saving of time and labour, not only in grammar, which iS chiefly' to be taught in the way'ef amusement, but 'in writing, ,arithmetic, and other elementary Matters; so that without any increase of Study, the mind may become better etdred than it now is with useful informathin, and acquire,' through the companionship which may subsist between teacher and pupil, a considerable knowledge of the world, and' of our social duties. 'Mr. Smith's ikug gestions to the higher 'dais, respecting infant schools, were very useful, and we cannot doubt that the whole of the views he is now submitting to the' public will be inland of the utmost importance and advantage.to society. We have seen amen( these time-saving inventions (one of which was patronised by his late Majesty) and shall anxiously attend to the whole of them in the Second Lecture. Fronk what we already know we believe they will give a new impulse to education in the upper circles, and from the unanimous applause which the First Lecture received we are led to ex - peet this interesting subject will become exceedingly popu lar in the metropolis. • HOLLAND AND BELGIUM. DR. BOWRING TO WILLIAM DE CLERCQ, AT THE HAGUE. London, Dec. 1, 1830. Letters full of regrets and reproaches are showered on me from every part 'of Holland. In answering yours, I will answer all ; and will you have the generous courage to obtain for it an insertion in the newspapers that have misrepresented, or misunderstood me ? 1 have some claim on the candour—at all events on the just judgments of Hol landers. When they have been wronged, what pen has been so prompt as mine in their defence? Has any One. stranger living laboured as I have laboured to obtain far their individual virtues and their national literature the homage which is so justly their due ? You menace me, and ober* menace me, with the loss of friendship that is deur—of esteem that 1 highly prize—of intercourse that I have been always proud of. You ask if I shall find truer friends elsewhere, or more agreeable &collections. I never put the question to myself, and if Lhad, the answer would have been no! But What then? Duty—the whole of duty is self sacrifice. I never inquired what you Would say in the moment of excitement and despondency. I made up my account with some quiet future hour, when you—even you—will thank me for the part I have taken. The mists are already beginning to pass away. You have' been dreaming of lest elonsiniok—you ought to have been thinking of recopere4 prosissrit,y,. Know that the tepee'. lion of Belgium is the beet blessing which the present ' century has conferred upon I,lollend. And do me the justice to own that I bare never altered my tone—never changed my linguige, iu this matter. In a thousand conversations on every ap propriate occasion, in articles in the newspapers and reviews, in correspondence and in hooks, I have al ways preached from one text on this subject, and always developed one commentary—that the union , of Holland and Belgium was fraudulent and foolish—a blind sacrifice of the interests' of both-;--that time, far from pro ducing sympathy, was 'daily sowing stronger and stronger antipathy—that a rupture, either by consent or by violence, was inevitable—and that such • ruiture,would bring with it many advantages to both. Have I not told you again and again, that three or four millions of mal contents added nothing to your strength or your security ? That while, under the plea of serving the Belgians, you were restricting your commerce, taxing your cif zens, ruin ing yourselves by colossal colonial expenses, you were, in fact, undermining your resources, and preparing for your selves a gloomy futuiity. I never blamed you for not giving to the Belgians their full and fair share of the offices and emolu ments of the State ; you pleaded that you could not trust them. That was your justification—but it is theirs also. The simple, the all important fact is this, that a union was impossible ; language, litera ture, religion, manners, historical recollections, political associatioat—every thing proclaimed its impracticebility. It was a most unhappy wedlock—and necessity (would it had hecu the calm controversy of friends, end not the bit ter animosity of foes !), necessity has forced a divorce. What becomes the duty of the friends of both ? To teach a speedy forgetfulness of the days of bloOdshed—to esta blish those relations of peace and good neighbourhood—of friendly, social, and commercial interests—which will add far more than political amalgamation can du, or has ever done, to the well-being of each ; in a word, to bring about a benerelent rivolry, unchecked by those diem& and discussions which were the natural consequence of the false ptisition into which you were thrown. I plead guilty to the charge of having given the Bel gians my best counsels in the critical situation in which they were placed ; they honoured me (though they well knew my intimate relations with Holland) with their con fidence, and I have not been insensible of the honour. A great pat of soy life has been passed, you know, among different nations, and I have never yet limited my affec tions to any one—l have never excluded anyone—but h ive sought to increase the sum of human happiness wherever and whenever I have been able. You know, for you are well read in the pages of the past, where that generous sentiment is to be found " Homo suns a ms' nihil hunsa nuns alienum puto." The field of virtuous exertion is every where, where misery can be diminished or happi ness can, be increased. You call me " a meddler," "an intruder." These are epithets which may or may not im ply dishonour. The man who meddles in the service of men is engaged i the highest noblest functions of huma nity. You menace us with war. That sort of " meddling" is over. The well-being of nations can no longer be com mitted to the guardianship of mercenary troops or foreign tyrants. Invoke not-,-,uay anticipate not this dread calamity ! Its results could net be dangerous to liberty—and if Hol land were so unwise as to demand war in her own seem ing hut selfish interest, the would, be the inevitable victim --and it would .he to tio.-..t0 us-=-who have always as s rtetl the independence of nations, and their right to self gove rrunents that she would have to look fur relief and, fur redemption. It is true, as you remind me, that I have received many literary honours from your countrymen, but you never made them valueless by. requiring the sacrifice of• honest opinion as the price of alto+ distinctions. To no such con tract could I. have been a party. I never gave you reason to believe that I should think or act differently from what l u oi been my course during the late events- You threaten England with the separation from Ireland as the punish ment to her indifference, to which I have only to aay, that from the moment in which it can be proved that such a separation would be beneficial I shall become its advocate. The test which I apply to your country I will apply to mine. The well-being of nations is the sole end of civil regulation. I desire the downfal of every thing which is opposCd to it liere,and every where. 'You say farewell for ever ! lily heart cannot echo back the. parting sound. Exasperation will pass away, and we shall yet sheke ham's in curdial and confi din g feelin g . JOlO , nownwo. HOUSE OF LORDS, Dec. 6. NEGRO SLAVERY. Petitions were presented against neon slavery by the Earl of Eldon, Irons Stirling and other places ; by the Bishop of Lincoln, from a place in Surrey ; by Lord Holland, from the females of Christchurch, Hams ; by Lord Gower, from Wentworth, Matlock, and several other places ; and by the Bishop of Llandaff, from a parish in Cumberland. Lord KING presented a petition from Wm. Cobbett, praying for reduction of the taxes on the necessaries of life, the Excise Duties, the Assessed Taxes, and Tithes. The petition stated that prior to the Reformation, paupers were maintained by the church, but that after that event they were thrown upon the land. The Marquis of CLANRICARDE presented a peti.. tion from a place in Galway, praying for a Repeal of the Union. The Noble Marquis did not concur in the prayer of the petition. The Nosiest Mamants also presented several petitions from different parts of Ireland, complaining of the mode in which the grants to the Kildare-street Society were pre sented. Lord GOWER presented a petition from the Stafford e!lire Potteries, against the truck system. ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE BILL. On the motion of the Earl of Gaosveuox the Report of the Committee on this Bill was received, and ordered to be read a , tbirdaime on Friday next. REGENCY BILL. Lord Lvunntoure moved the third reading of this Bill. The LORD CHANCELLOR role, not with the in tention of offering any opposition to this Bill ; . its whole arrangements were such as to meet the. wishes of all parties. Every thing which the exigencies of the case required had been brought folly under consi deration. But as this Bill would most likely form a precedent for after.times, he thought it necessary that it should go clown to future generations, stamped with, if • possible, every degree of authority. , It was, therefore of the greatest motnent, that whatever doubt or difficulty might have been thrown upon the measure itself, or the principle of it, either in that House or elsewhere. should he removed. Now be had been informed that with reference to the contingency contemplated and pro. vided fur in the Bill on their Lordships' table, and which had been noticed in their Lordships' House, it had been not there, but in another place, said, that if the Monarch of this country should die, leaving hie Consort enceinte, allegiance would be due to the infant in vents** sa ',we t For this doctrine he did not believe there was the least foundation ; and be had heard it propounded with great surprise, that in this particular there was any departure from'the general rule of the common law. It had been said that there was no precedent in the history of the country precisely to govern the case; and that, so far as he was informed, and so far as the greater learn ing of his Noble and Learned Friend (Lord Lynd hurst) enabled him to pronounce, was the fact but nevertheless there was an instance, to which his attention bad been directed by the kindness of a Learned Friend of his, which, although not occur ring in the direct succession of the Kings of England, bore such an important and intimate connection with the Crown of England, and had occurred under such circum *Loxes, that it .ought not to be withdrawn from atten tion. . The ease he alluded to had occurred in, the reign of'llenry the Second. That Monarch bad a son Geoffry, who was Duke •of Brittany, which Henry was Duke of Normandy es well as King of England, and in the filet character entitled to the homage of Brittany ; Geoffry died, leaving a widow . . (Constance), and a daughter Ellinor. On the death( of Gsoffry, Ellinor was proclaimed heiress to the DUchy, and two claims were put in to the ward ship, during her Minority ; one by Phillip. Augustus of France, the other by Henry of England; Phillip Augus tus claiming to be the guardian, as Lord Paramount, — Henry as the immediate feudal superior of the Infant ; but althoughbothparties disputed the wardship, neither made any question of Ellinor's title to the Duchy. At the death of Geoffry, however, Constance, his widow, was enceinte, and while the Kings of •France and England were contesting the wardship of Mow, a son was born. Previous to the birth of the son it was on all bands agreed, that the child, in ventre • so mere, could not defeat the right of the living issue, Ellinor, who was Duchess, notwithstanding the f a ct of her mother's pregnancy. The claim of Ellinor was, however, defeasible, and the born child took the crown by' devolution. The child, of which Constance was delivered, Was no other . than Arthur, whose unhappy story was so well known in the history, and, it might be added, its the drama of the country: he had been immortalised by Shakspeare. He became Duke the moment he was born, and there was at once a defeasanee of the claim of Diner, and an end to the dispute arising out of that claim between King Henry and King Phillip Augustus. How the rights of Arthur had been afterwards dealt with are not material to the present inquiry. He as well as Ellinor were sup posed to have been spirited away by King John; Arthur was believed to have been murdered by his uncle, and Ellinor incarcerated in a fortress in Wales; and, eventu ally, Alice, a younger slaughter of Constance by another husband, bad succeeded to the Duchy. This precedent bore strongly on the case to which the Bill referred ; it had met with the concurrence of the great feudaliata of France and the lawyers of England, and he was happy t o find that the Bill was framed in conformity to the princi ples on which that precedent rested. He, therefore, en. tirely approved of its adoption. The Bill was then read a third time, and passed ; after which the House adjourned. lIOUSE OP COMMONS, Disc. 6. Several new Members took the oaths and their seats. GLASGOW AND BURGHS ELECTION. Sir R. WILSON brought up the 'Report of the Co in . mittee on the Glasgow and Burghs Election, which de dared that the sitting Member was duly elected, but that the petition against his return was neither frivolous or vexatious. LONDON BRIDGE. Mr. Alderman IVAITHMAN obtained leave to bring in a Bill to amend the Landon Bridge Approaches Acts. A great number of petitions against Negro Slavery were presented from various parts of the country. BOROTJGII OF STAMFORD. Mr. TENNYSON gave.notice that on Tuesday, the 14th Inst.' he should have to present a petition from certain el,ctors of Stamford, complatning of the undue interfer ence of the Marquis of Exeter, in the elections of Members to serve for the Borough in Parliament.--(Hear, hear.) Mr. BROWNLOW presented a petition from Armagh, praying for Parliamentary Reform and Election by Ballot. The Hoc Member said he fully agreed with the prayer of the petition. After a few observations from Mr. C. Ptutaxt, Lord Anatesox, and hir.O'Coutat.f, the petition was ordered to lie on the table. The Deputy Clerk of the Crowe attended, and made certain alterations in the return of different Members. Mr. CALTIMT took the oaths and hi. twat, as Meml,er for Southwark. Mr. BELL moved for a return of the amount of duty on coals exported from this country during the present year.—Ordered. Mr. H. DAVIS presented several petitions from parishes in the city of Bristol, against the House and Window Taxes. Lord BRABAZON presented several petitions from the city of Dublin, praying for a repeal of the Union. Mr. HODGSON presinted petitions from places in the county of Kent, complaining of 'distress, and , praying to be relieved from the present system of tithes. The lion. Member said he should be sorry to do anything to embarrass his Majesty's present Ministers, but he should certainly . frel It his duty to press upon th e ir attention the present . state of the law relating to tithes, and he hoped they would, after the Christmas recess, bring the subject under the consideration of Parliament. Lord KfLLEEN presented several petitions from placer in Ireland, praying for a Repeal of the Vestiy and Sub letting Act*. Mr. O'CONNELL snored for a return of the number of Irish Barristers that have been appointed to judicial si tuations in the colouiea lance Ole year 1801. Mr. FERGYSON said he thought that it would turn out that the Irish had not been forgotten ; but that it would be Scotch only. Nilo had to nornpliin.—(Laughter.) 4 / 1 0E -TREASURER pp'ARgL4Nn. Mr. CrtIONNELL, advertinf to A ,Treasury wino* ivhich had hien mentipue i l amne pie* ago,: said that hs had PAW! iiio.s4 404. l ifri-444f, 1 / 4 ,114W tb4l . fqod Mr. RICE would explain. The Vice-Treasurer of I Ireland received a salary of two thousand pounds a-year, the Deputy eight hundred pounds a-year, with an esta hlishment of clerks. When Government looked into this mestinn with a view of ascertaining what might he done, it was thought the duties of Vice-Treasurer might for the nresent be discharged by a gentleman filling the office of Chief Clerk in what was called the Irish department in the Treasury, and who, after many years of service, en ioyed a salary of one thousand pounds a-year. It was proposed to suppress the office of Vice-Treasurer of Ire- land, or rather immediately to suppress the salary, and as early as possible get !id of the office altogether—in the in t !rim it was arranged that the gentleman whom he had mentioned should discharge the duties for an increased compensation of two hundred pounds a-year.--( Hear,bear. ) In entering upon those duties, his first object would he to inquire what further savings might be effected consistently with the public service. It was, no doubt, impossible to suppress the office without an Act of Parliament; but every thing would be done in that and every department of the public service which was at all consistent with the discharge of those duties for which public officers were responsible. Mr. O'CONNELL presented several petitions praying far Parliamentary R. form and Universal Suffrage, one of which was from Henry Hunt, Esq. Lord of the Manor of Glastonbury, who, with the other petitioners, stated, in firm but respectful language, that it would be their final appeal to the House.—(Laughter.) The Host. WHlaxa also presented petitions from the bricklayers and sedan chairmen of Dublin,praying for a Re. ral of the Legislative Union.—(Laughten) Hon. Mem., hers might laugh, but the petitioners assured the House, that where there used to be twenty sedan chairs there was not now one. -.-(Renee ed laughter.) Sir JOHN BURKE on a former occasion stated, that he thought his constituents were not favourable to a re.; peal of the Legislative Union, and he would now lay be fare the House what were the grounds of that statement. At a large meeting of the electors of the pl tee which he bad the honour to represent, his own sentimenta respecting the Union were made the subject of inquiry ; and he most, distinctly stated, that he was opposed to the agitation ofl the question, and that he did without exciting any ea pression of disapprobation amongst his constituents ; *as he not then warranted in the assertion, that hie consti tuents objected to the proposed repeal? Sir JOHN NEWPORT wished to call the attention of the House to a letter frotn the predecessor of the Hon. and Leatned Gentleman opposite in the representation of the county of Waterford. The Right lion. Baronet then read sn extract from the letter in question, distinctlyahow ing that the opinion of that Gentleman was directly ad verse to any agitation of the question of a repeal of the Union at the present moment, or at any time ; for he had never ceased to regard that measure as irrevocable. Such was the opinion of all the public men at the period when that measure was agreed to. Both from their speeches in Parliament, and from the evidence which remained of their private meetings, there could not he a Shadow of a doubt that Mr.Ponsonby, Chief Justice Bushe, Lord Plun kett, Lord Oriel, and all the men of that period agreed, that if the measure were once carried, the repeal would be perfectly visionary. He hesitated net to say, that he hitneelf had always looked upon the Union as irrevo cable. He was old enough to remember the proceedings of that local Parliament which it was thus vainly ,sought to restore ; _and he could well remember the state of the country under its Government, and it was a state of con fusion and anarchy that he believed could no where else lie paralleled—the country was in It state such as that no peaceable man could live in it. He deprecated most earn estly the agitation of the question of the Union, for be looked on it as sure to produce results which could not fail to alarm English capitalists and deter them from invest ments calculated to create employment for the people. He would, let the consequences be what they might, repeat his consulates conviction against the proposition for a repeal. He then proceeded to entice a letter from Lord Oriel to Mr. Forster, in which he spoke of the Union as a knot that could not be untied. Referring them to proofs such as these, he would put it to the House whether he had not been warranted in the assertion he made. Mr. A. LEFROY (as we understood) expreseed his complete persuasion that the agitation of a repeal of the Irish Union could not fail to be highly injurious to that country. Petitions, praying for the repeal, were then presented by Mr. O'CONNELL, from Cullen; Waterford, and Longford, which were read and laid upon the table. Mr. O'CONNELL conceived that the proposition for repeal of the [Woo was likely to prove highly benefi cial, as leading to the union of torn of all parties. He thought that the discussion of the proposed repeal woold reconcile men of all parties—(A laugh)-09 out of every 100 is three of the provinces were in favour of re peal. As to the documents which land been referred to, they only proved the sentiments of the individuals from whom they proceeded: this showed nothing in contra diction of what he had asserted, for he merely confined himself to the sentiments of Mr. Grattan, and nothing had been said about those. It was with extreme regret he beard the Right lion, Baronet censure so severely the conduct of the Irish Parliament. During the short pe riod of its independence, from 1782 to its extinction in 1800, it had done more for the prosperity of the country than had ever been done before or singe. On five great questions they land successfully oppoied the Minister, and that was more than the British Parliament had done since the Union. The proposition for a repeal was one that could not be put down by clamour, and ought not to be opposed by the imputation of motives. The petitions were ordered to he printed. Mr, O'CONNELL presented a petition from Robert Archibald Douglas Gressley (the Speaker having pre viously reported to the House that the petitioner against the return for the town of Galway bad not entered into reeognizances), praying for an extension of time for com plying with the law relating to recogniaances, on the ground that the name of his surety had been—notwith standing the allegation to the contrary—correctly stated. The petitioner was then called in, 'Verified his petition, and was ordered to withdraw. The SPEAKER oi,4isl, that the only motion the Hoo, and Learned Gentleman could make watt for further time. Mr. O'CONNELL thee moved, " That ten days' fur 'her time should be granted for completing the reetig ni. sauce, in order that affidavits might be furnished to iden tify John Lynch Alexander." Mr. GOULIIIMIN p osed this motion. Mr. RICE thought incumbent on the House to re k ceive the petiti on , an d rant the time required. Mr. CAMPBELL for granting further time. After a few words fro Mr. Johnstone, General Gas. coyne. Sir R. Peel, Lord John Russell, Mr. Mahon, and Mr. O'Hara, the motion was agreed to. The SPEAKER then infortned the Hone, that the re cognizance. on the County Galway and Mayo petitions had nut been made good ; on which the said petitions were ordered to be discharged. PARLIAMENTARY REFORM. Mr. O'CONNELL had a motion relative to Reform; hut as he was in expectation that the subject would be taken up by the Govertunent.--(Hear]—he should not persist in it. COUNTY' AND POOR RATES. Sir R. PEEL moved for Papers reloiive to the County And other Rates, which hod been prepored with great care and ingenuity by Mr. Richmond, the Clerk hf the WU*. —A gr eed to. Sir It. PEEL then brought up the Papers alluded to.— Ordered to be printed. The Report on t h e CONSOLIDATED FUND. Consolidated Fund MI wee brought up by Sir A. GRANT , and rece i ve d ; t h e. Bill tivas or tiered to be read a third time to-morrow Ohio tirty)- POSTMASTER-GENERAL OF IRELAND. On Mr. RICE'S motion, that the Speaker leave the Chair, on going into a Committee of Supply, Mr. CiOULIIIIIIN wiehed to Nay a few words relative to what had fallen from the Hon, Gentleman on a former night, concerning the Post-Master-General of Ireland, and at which time he did not happen to be in the House. He did not wish to derogate anything from the present, or arrogate anything to the ;met Government. All lie wi*hed wee, that the cairn %boob! stand on its true footing with the House. What he contended woe, that thissaiing would have been equally effected if, the prevent Govern ment had never come into office. It had been said that the office aught to have been ttboliebed • 4ut 1411- possible till a petit' measure had heed itittodneed into Par liament for the purpose of putting the business of the office on another friting. 'the office, however, was virtually tholisherl. This patent did not rest upon his dictum, but was known in the office to which the Hon. Gentle• roan now belonged ; and if he (Mr. Gnulhtitti) bad re mained in office, it had been his intention to bring for ward it measure for the consolidation of the Post-nflices, and to get rid of the office In question. Mr. ftlcl. disclaimed all idea of taking advantage of his Right Hon. Friend's absence, for the purpose of mention ing any statement. What he had said had referred to Lord Ross, and not to Lord O'Neil, and the resignation of the former was made to the present Virst Lord of the Treasury; so that, of course, his Might lion. Friend could not know of that. If he bad been aware that it was the intention of the former Government to abolish the office, he should not have withheld that information from the House. Sir IL ittIIDINGP, said that Lord Roos had only held the office till the legal difficulties could - be removed ; and when that took place it was determined to abolish the ASSESSED TAXES. Mr. Alderman WAITIIMAN gave notice of his in tention, after Christmas, to lay certain facts before the House relative to the state of the country• I and he trusted that the House would adopt them, se they were Leh— not opinions. It was also his Intention to move the re peal of the Hou■e and Window Taxes, though he trusted that the Goverment would take this matter on itself. QUARTER SESSIONS. An Hon. Mama begged to oak the Attorney-Ge neral in what way General Sessions were to be held under the new Art of Parliament ? _ _ The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that it was question whether the Act was in operation before Octo.. ber; but at all events it was an old maxim that such Ses4 sions as were held with due and regular notice were good and legal. M 6 CAMPBELL said a few words, which were not audible in the gallery, and then the copversation dropped. SALARIES ANI) PENSION'S—NATIONAL DISTRESS. Mr. GEORGE DAWSON then adverted to the pression which. had been made on the public mind the reports which had been published of the salaries and Pen• /lions enjoyed by public men, and the reports which had been circulated of the intention of the present Ministers to reduce them, which, if allowed to be circulated without some explanation, might have bad some bad effect. He knew what was the wish of the House, and be knew i n what manner the present Government was pledged to en courage economy; at the same time he thought the Howe ought not to forget what had been effected by former Ad ministrations. it was only justice to former Govern ments to remind the House of what they had done, and it was his intention, when he heard the Hon. Members opposite taking such credit to themselves for reducing the situations of Vice-Treasurer and Postmaster• General of Ireland, to make a statement of the reductions made by the former Administration. Sir GEORGE WARRENDER wished to take that opportunity of stating that he hoped the present Adminis tration would continue to enforce that rigid economy with which they had begun. The course of proceeding hitherto had been such as entitled them to his fullest confidence. If the Chancellor of the Exchequer were in his place, he would ask him if he did nut consider it desirable to refer the papers giving an account of pensions and salaries to a Committee, in order that its errors might be esteemed and explained. He was scarcely able to express the satisfaction with which he had heard that the preseot Gevernment had not filled up several situations in England, ,Sciitland, end Ireland, which had fallen vacua since their emotion to office, and if they pursued the same prudent and wise career, they would fix themselves firmly in public 'opinion. Mr. GEORGE DAWSON was willing to give the present Government credit for their reductions, but they must carry them much further than at present to surpass the reductions of the last Government. Mr. RARING made a few observations on the same subject, which were not wholly audible. We understood him to say that a paper describing the Wales and pensions of public officers. bad created a, great ,ecusiition in the pub• lief and was calculated, if uneoistradicted, and if unexplasuesl, to shake the general ‘ confidence in all Mine men, and even in the Legislature. He wished that the paper shoot! be examined by a Committee, and if so examined be was sure that none of the objectionable items would he found to be long to the last ten or fifteen years. He wished that that paper should be brought fairly before the public, and if it were brought fairly ferward, he was sure it would be seen that none of the corruption of which it was supposed to he evidence had taken place of late years. He should say that ' very little of such corruption bad existed since he tail been in the House, and he recollected little or none of such in fluence. The paper was calculated to produce a most pain ful eirect, and to shake the confidence of the public in all public men end in the Legislature itself. It would he proper, therefore, that a Committee should analysts that paper and separate the truth from the falsehood, and shew what part of it was derived from late and whst from former Administrations. He wished to say one word on another sub ject—tire subject of an inquiry into the general distress of the country. A Worthy Alderman bad previously alluded tit this subject; but he must express his doubts as to the utility of that general iuquiry which he suggested. An inquiry into all the causes of the national distress could not produce any good, and he should be sorry to see the House go into an inquiry which could not end in conferring credit on itself or benefit to the public. A Parliamentary inquiry into the condition of the Southern parts of the kingdom, into the districts which were now exposed. to disturbance, would be very important, and might be very useful. Commis sions had been issued to support the authority bf the laws, which had been violated in those districts, and which mast be supported for the benefit even of the poor themselves, for it was essential to their happiness that property should he protected, and that all men should have confidence in the protection of the law ; but those commissions, it was known, were likely to punish a Mass of persons who had been driven into outrage partly by distress, turd partly by °the terror of others. He knew that the papers moved for by the Right Hon. Baronet would show the sums of money raised and expended fur the poor; but he wished for an inquiry into their condition, which would shoW the general nature of the payments they received> the extent of their remuneration, end the defective system under Which the Poor Laws were at present administered. It was a great misfortune, that in many places the labourers were paid wages out of the poor rate, and he should like therefore to have an inquiry into the mode of administering the Poor Laws.—(Hear.) The evils of the poor rates were very great, but whether any remedy could be found for these grievances was a grave consideration. After all the schemes which bad been brought forward on this sub ject, he must say—efter applying his mind to the subject too—that he had no hopes that any lesiMative remedy could he found for such extensive grievances. At the saute time he should think that the House abandoned its duty if it did not examine the subject, and ascertain what was the state of the administration of the poor laws, anti if any remedy could be found for the evils which existed. To that extent he hoped that the House would institute an inquiry, and, so limited, it would produce a very good effect; but he could trot think that as inquiry into the general causes of distress would be useful. He would repeat, as he had before stated, ,that generally the great interests of the country ware not its an unfavourable pod-. tioti and that whattbecountry wanted was quiet, order, peace, and eouftdruce.....-011ear, and a laugh. rpm tain the mete of the agricultural districts was most lin permit, for the other interests, he must repeat, were moving well. Colonel SUITHORPE was of opinion that the country , was in an Muffling crisis, and if any proof were wanting of the correctness of the reports that Were circuleted its . the newspapers, it might be found in the circunistence that a great number of Members of that Muse had to., ceived leave of absenee .ou account of the disturbed state of those parts of the country with which they were con nected. lie wished to say nothing of the dead or defunct, though not absent Ministry; but he believed that all the economy and reduetione for which they tuck credit had been forced on them by others. Mr. RC)I3INSON remembered that the Hoar, Mem bee for Calliegton had beeit ono Of those who bun Session resisted an inquiry into the state of the country, which was then proposed. H. would request lion. Member, to turn their serious attention to the situation of every clue in the country, and not confine themselves to the state of the southern ,countive. If the Chancellor Of the Reda- quer were not absent, he would venture to throw out a _04044 Wlzleli be thought wook attending to. It sent state of our circumstance'. The motion was negx= tired, though supported by many Members of the present Administration, and to: haired they Would now take an early opportunity. of proposing such an inquiry with a view to a revision of taxation. It watt moat import.. ant first to inquire. into , the dietrent, but after that was accomplished, and all pos•ible relief afforded by the reduction of taxation, ke hoped that an inquiry would be set on foot as to the propriety of improving the mode of levying taxation. After every retrenchment had been made, it should be ascertained what were the test mans of levying the lases necessary l for the pay ment of the national debt and the public service, so that it should be equally levied on all ,elasetts. At present,in dustry was most unequally oppressed by taxation, and it ought to be relieved. Hints were given several times last session of the propriety glimpsing a property tax, though they had not been favourably received. The late Chan cellor of the Exchequer, he remembered, stated that the measure of a property tax hail been under the considera tion of his Majesty's Government; and he recollected t h at the Right Hone Gentleman,. the Member for Liverpool, flow unhappily no more, said that he considered the im position of such a tax would be necessary. The Noble Lord, who was at present Chancellor of the Exchequer, was, fed believed, not unfavourable to a tax on property, and under such circumstances, he hoped, after the 06* vernment had retrenched, that it would consider of the rtt vi»iun of taxation...-Miter it had done all it could to lighten the burdens of the ealtintry, that it world °lnsider of mei sures to levy the necessary taxes mete equelly, and. with greater facility. He 414 not say that fended property ought to be taxed, but at present that Went quite free, while taxes were levied on the necessaries of which operated moat injuriously an !the poorer classes.' That was a subject which he .shnuld perhaps : enforce more at length when the Chancellor. of the Exchequer was in the House, and be would then only observe, that he hoped that the inquiry, if one were instituted, would ntit-he con fined to the southern eountiee, or to out part of tile-1A. 1 1 4 ' nistration of the Poor Laws, butextended to all the cows of national distress. ' • Slr ROBERT PEEL, thought the Hon. Gentleman had shown, by his own observations, that such an inquiry as he had ' reoemmeaded would be recta and nniestrafec. tory. He' had matured tie'bipie; en vilitelf he. deiire4 a epeeist inquiry, .ninuely, the operation 'ttioalloniii pro alticing the gerretal'ilistresto: 16r that lie ivlinteifa S • pecial Committee. If a Committee were ,appointed 'to' inquire into the causes of the general distress, that oae woold entlergo investigation; and was he tube told that it 'Would he mail& for one Committee to inquire into all thncauaeo of distress 7 - The One Committee would have to inqnire into the effect of the Corn Lawn:--of the. Poor taws,— into the effect of ttiation and, after having inquind into the effects of all these things, It would have to hod out the remedies.. If, hoivever, a Cr' wont**, could be Ap pointed to inquire into the subject' mentioned by, the Hop. Member for . Callington, he thought it would he beneficial. The time was come when it would be most expedieet for the House to tortilla, some inquiry into the state of the agricultural districts, and into the causes of the disturb ances in the southern counties, petticularly into the pree rice' operation and administration of the Poor Law,. An inquiry limited to the defects of the Administration of those laws, might be most useful, and lie would willingly go into it, without any reference to party or : polities, but solely with a view to better the condition of the labouring elastic. It was of great importance to get a few Picts, so that the present condition of the lalmurer in some couutiesc —in the weald of Kent and Susses, for example—might be contrasted with his condition in other counties, under differ ent physical circumstances, and with his condition in past times. He should like, also, to contrast the condition of the agricultural labourers in those districts where wages, were paid out of the rates, and where roonderneo, were common, with their coodition in those districts ',Where the wages of the labourers Wire wholly paid - b) , the ept. ployer, and roundemen were unknown. ,:The prectleal operation of the two systems would Then be ettettitely known, which would be of great use. Ire would, inquire also into the influence of rents and into theii amount.--- At present, it was generally stated that ,high rents` had contributed to the'distress. That War not his opinion ; but in the Committee' thole who suppoited that opinion could be heard, and the landowners might have an oppor tunity of ?teeing its 'lncorrectness. The Ceninnttee might inquire, too, into the probability of our populatipn finding a vent in our colonies of North Americo.. A gentleman, who had been rent thither to mike booklets into the quantity of land yet uneppropriated, and into the best condition of maim' greats, had lately returned, and he had made his report to the Secretary of Awe for the Colonies ; and a Committee, having his infortoatine, I might examine. how far voluntary, 'emigration might be I looked to'as a means of relief, - If be only had completo information as to the :present assts of the agricultufal labourer* In two or three crourailen, end their oondition iu the same muntles forty years age, and eons* . k notriedaw of their condition in other counties , he would'uot,eitr,that some remedy for the' distress 'might not be devlited4 for he atilt remained of opinion, that a correct eritingetnent of a few pretuinent and leading feels war the best Antoci*. lion for future mesieuresi. it he were pieced in the Com mittee, he should make it hie object to devote 'hie time, to the inquiry ; and the public time of public men eitirld not he better employed titan in investigating ouch a anbject. Sir E. KNATCHBULL, for one, courted * full inquiry into all the perticulare of the county he represented.. Jtsr tice would not be done to the landowner, and the farmers, unless such an inquiry were instituted. Chergee hed been made against them which ought to be refuted, and which he was sure a Committre would refute. The actual state of the tenantry and their landlords ought to be ascertained. It was saido—most unjustly be believed—that rents Were too high, and must be reduced ; that was a 'object that ought to be investigated, and, if they were too high; they ought to be reduced. The situation of the labourers, too, ' demanded investigation. Marty of them, when employed, obtained adequate wages ; but there were too many of them and many of them gut no employment, so that their con dition was mooteinequal. ' Sir ROBERT PEEL was afraid that the condition of the agricultural labourers lied been gradually deteriorating for several years past, but he did not attribute that as a fault to any one clue. He wished it also to be understood that he had never *nee thought or said that the deterioration in the condition of the agricultural classes was caused by the conduct of the upper classes. Mr. ORMSBY 0011 E complaints, of the unjust in terference of the perish officers with the lehourersWages, and condemned the payment of wages out of the poor rates. The Hon. Member. referred to tile couduct of I Lora Gage, lAit waisset right by being informed that the • Noble Lord had explained Bat matter. Ile had heard that natty people hail only ls. a week, and were cow , pelled is live on that. That was a sad blot on this coun t try. It was cruel, unjust, end impolitic. He believed I that what an lion. Friend had towed on a former day, that the negroeir were better fed and clothed. than F...uolisli labourers, was quite correct. it. was necessary, to state this, for there .wits, its believed, a Bill :to lrs reed to-Mer -1 row, to oaks i compulsory rate. for the relief of the poor. The 1101104 could not be too cautiouto for the nowspepers teund their way into every cottage of the country as Well as fate the drawing-room. In the county with which he was 000nected (Salop, we .belivve), there hod been no ciis turbances, end there nu, loterference took place with the lebourer, and weeps were rover paid out, of the poor rate.. Generally the people en ll* a a week, and he bed not heard of Amy, complaint. Mr. LONG vit:LIEB.LAY, the eontiuci Lord Gage., Mr. oumsny GORE 4)61440 tor whet h. 41 acid of Lord. Gift* Mr. OWEN .O'CONllltil wished tilt inquiry to be extended to Ireland. Mr, O'BRIEN also seiihed that a Committee should 110 appointed, and that its rottarebot should be tacteutied to Ireland. CVRTEIS IRK Lord, O ago was s gust upright end 1101100 table,, 17010,44, *O,, WWI. 4Ylietevel 441 U tOk lie justly imputed to thet.,Ptbitottan. Ile denied tintt it Was ilia practice to piy wags 004 SOOT rate* in Suartz, but hp wished : to ask kw It Wm salltile that a woo who Wile earning 1U Werra could miliatitin tight or tea children ? The distress wee sot smog& Ortow,wegea, but w4nt of employment. He lied pitktt tune 411114 old nigepeilve per Oey dirough hot winter at an autoteur farmer, and lib knew that where the rernlinb CqUilt afford it they paid 2s. p„ day ; but they *id not A 94 eniphiyinent for all the lahrumm He wished futt en inquiry abaold toted ion) tilt condition ,or all cleatei; and. Int 'war elite, it "Dwelling were not done, end opetaiily done, aticrety woul.l fall into a most 1 4InebtAbiu 11414 of 4horttowilati4'll. 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