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right. Bet the GovernMent !shook) not compel, a land , lord to do an. If a , toot ehoe to extermineto his pea sentry, he elsould tlo it in hie own, name, and not. be able to shield himself with the etnnuutrele of Government., lie _ was free to confess that-this was put a. Government act ; it was introduced' in a vile party left-handed way, and be trusted that now there would be no objection to its rep e al. In the legislation. upon this subject since the Union two evils had been inflicted on Ireland. The firet was 14 the Act which then for the first time enabled landlords, to dis train the growine crops of their tenants ; and the sewed; that winch affieSed ao the landlord a cheap and expeditious' mode of ejecting his tenant. These two measures he might describe as measures by which a landlord could first ruin his tenant, and then turd Mtn out oisesply. lie knew that there were some persons who i► tegined. that the Sub-letting Act was benetiaill to the poor, anti it should be his endeavour to show these persons that they were mis taken. It might be said that the effect of that Act was' to create large farms, and so the Act was passed by the I).- !ideal normative (for it was not a mere Government measure) to etiteloish a principle, no matter, as it. seemed to bins, at what expellee of misery to the pair. The consequences had already been dreadful: The number ef pour persons who had been compelled to revolt to the Mendieity Society of Dublin for support, was alt great, that the Society was nearly !Mewl, and had it pot Been for the individual kindness of the Governor of Ireland —be meant the Duke of Nottliturtherlande--who out of his own pocket assisted it with the Ken of 1,0001. ; and had it not been for the equal generosity of a lady if the same family, who should be namelees, it would have been, ere now, completely broken up. Such generosity did both parties the highest credit ; but he feared that the effects of such acts as that now under discussion would be ton widely extended to he met by such means. The object of this Act was to create large farms ; but in wder to do that, the people must first be got rid of—for one . efrect of this Act was to prevent any man occupying noire land than he enuld himself cultivate (unless he was fortunate enough to be a tenant of Church lands), since he was not allowed tte liberty of dividing it with another tenant.. boleti!, if any such occupier of land (not Church land) wet to give the labourers under hint 'a holding on the land; they might retain possession without paying him any rent fire it. .The consequence of these meaSnres would be, that first the te mint-might be ruined by a distraint on his growing cropS; ' next, that be might be turned out of possession by a eheap ' and expeditions mode of ejectment, frawcal for the benefit of the landlord ; and lastly, when he wits in this destitute condition, he bad no hope of again getting into pwsession of a farm—fur a landloid would hardly be likely to se , civet hint, -and a tenant could not, anti ought not, to he ex pected to make him an tinder-tenant ; subjecting himself as be would do, to all the inconveniences imposed on such a proceeding by the provisions of this Statute. Under these eircumstences, he assured the Howse that, he felt, convinced a remedy was absolutely nec essar y for the evils this Act had occasioned . ; and, unless that remedy wee aft forded, he apprehended nothing less titan a 'servile war. Ile concluded by moving for !ewe to bring its a Bill to e repeal the Sub-letting Act. Mr. DOHERTY availed himself of the:power of ail,' dressing the House, afforded hint by this m o tion, in e id er to reply to some of the' observations of the Ilan. and Leerried Member for Waterford. Ile: should begin wh it retnarke he had to milt' by drawing it as his opinion, that the circumstances in which Ireland was placed retelte et! it necessary that there should be seine difference be teem the law of landlord and tenant there, and kin the lin , on th ew at subject here. He agreed that, generally speag,: the l of both countries ought to: be assiteileted as much as pee, 'tibia; hot in this instance, be. repeated, thew ought to 1, ,, e a &firmed. Ile would new tnention that so long ago as last Session it had hems found that- tome of the provisithre of the Sub-letting -Act. required amendment, and Lord Levetois Cower bui.thei,stivett notico of moving for leave tti bring in a Bill for that -purpose; lint the unexpeeted and speedy terminatime of the :Session bad 'weventalliim • front carrying: hie intention. into effect, lie met say, that it was relief' herd that the Hon. . and Learned Member shield arraign. the whole Law of Landlord awl Tenant. framed and pawed from the days of the Deism to 'the „present time.; and esperielly, that lie 'thauld filet fault-with :the Law Of • Ejectment, be who was, so fowl •of cheap and ex peslitioui , law. Ilse, Pori. mud I.:mused Member had. told them in the course:44st Sesaien. that -he WV . 00 reason why , the min who lived in Consherlend or Cornwell shoultl have to eon] to fee a bit of parctuneet in melee ,to enforce hie eight, New, applying that prinelpie to the Law of Eject. carat, a wolthy toil Mae Baronet, whew he believed le saw ja hie plaits lt/isei. Newport trowetll, ion...duos' a by yvhiell:theeCossisty Ceurtchal authority to deter mine coos of ejectment. .That Alit might he. said to he a linen to the jereflord,„hnt it was a tsin.te the: ternuo. it eves said, istrfeed. that nothing was to he got from the Irish Secant, Yea, opyrthipy Was to be gate...his liberty; for his person might be ooetj for,thcpe cuts which, to gra tify his Imo ultstlraacy,or in occordenre with the nrtfitl .steegeteieas of g knavish attorney,. lur had baij the tcloerity to incur.. The law which the lion, tcad Lear* Neither lead complained of , --that by whielastanumg rpm was elude liable to dietiCks for rent—was. en' ttoilttilaliort of the law ni Ireland to: that of this country. !hieing. said this, much on the general topfea of the Bon. and Learned Mien her's /speech, Ise would now refer to that which was MON iermiellio,ely the rubjeet of the present distort. akin. In the years 1824 and lttitr, two Committees. of that Howie hea,ti instituted an inquiry into the geoaral . state of Ireland, bat mere espec i a ll y with a visw 10.444:044iii the af, the poorer classes. All the witristet who were evainiried hotori that Committee, attributed thg e.sivie of the evils of the pemantry of Ireland to the einthst infinite subdivision Of land there, That was the opinion, a Englishmen and Irishmen, of Orangeamo end Catholics; in short, .of all men who, however duty sleight differ on ether points, seemed fully agreed on that. But ettniog the witneireel there was ono tehree testimony on tile prest4 tweation wee, perhaps, worth more then all the reed—it was the testimony of a min who hati the means of inti.; Mate knowledge of the condition of the Irish peasantry--..it Was the testimony of the present Hai. mad retarned Mac bar fur Waterford himself.—(Hear, hear.) The Member, - at the desire at the House, here read soup eie. trek* from Mr; O'Connell's' evidence, in which it •. saw stated that he kat,' two farm. While, within his memory, there had been but' two dreellings, bet where there were et that time more' than 100 families; awl which cots eluded with the deehtration that the griever:mos of the hash peasantry 'were much ineresseed by the dilates : lAl etit.re4, and that their distress Watt much increased by the outset to which subletting was carried. there being emne time& ou less than six or seven middle men hetween the landlord end the real tenant.--(llear,) , ... o ther pet tame itistdossd Ott the same subject, _and they all agreed, from prufeaahot.l. anti personal experienee, owl felon the fullest eatiminstioa of the subject, diet there was at perfect Impossibility of preventing the evils of nub-letting with stet a Jegielative amours, Du 4w subject. Such had teen the opiision of all torn as to the ,dreadful nature of the evils; weir their opiniim as - to the naecere of the remedy to be afforded; end when he mentioned that the Bill Was drawn by Me. Plunkett and Mr. DI ske, he doubt that the very scones of each sewn were sulfa eat to show, that it emit , ' not have been treated with any intention but that of teeing i,enefieiial to the peeple of , lrehuut neer, IR:ay.:p.-4W Act was directed to peewee" 'these infinite, eule.lettings, sod at the same time . to . provost idea .tenatit * s pinet the evils of - infinitely repeated distreseee.. Fare mealy each of tits sob lessors woad dome Open this 00fore dtlOste Want fpr his rent; lAtt be there were obw nova do w se le asops e , the tenant who bed once paid Lis rent was (ree friiat 'farther Molestation. Tbe had maither - hounds! operieue — rti, Icy 04400% that frequena committed by wan who preitendeti there bad been a e e ee e, *elver of the prolsibiejem to 'o t ufedere f e e: t t,,,,,*„ .e. r e , utterly prevented from midertettiog without the meow of the latoltned, signified 'in writleg, In order to enforce Or Act in the abe3pest awl 'the sweet manner, it was made the ititereat of the tenant not to undesiet e 'ince hie seletersitat, admitted ittto poiesetsims eontrary to the peo vision of that Act, coold na romPtika to pay rent. - 14 1 first clause to whirls he had refereed applitd 0111 ) , t i e Wises, Ia Whigh there weteetwenanti not to eitiderlet ;' the second Aorta eoforced the eat's/ pH's - triple with respect toleasess not towed:dog such a covenatste end that clause was formed ors alit, peeve last of the I Seot,l4,nili The third chaise; wee that which .ise loehed iseen act thQ great benefit to ire. Joui. It Was that width preveute i the peametry frotu toting subjected to the 4;lo'alit of htfiiait,e4l;StresSC.4-1-4 Clause Whigh;artei the, greet measure AA - AO lit pow!, NY" 414 of; flee glegtest boleros tit itelAo,l. The eiote wan now' omet, , where tree from Harty motives, all ;nen teieht co-operate, tat that irstralectioe of menStirtet directed to peoriarar to Iceland. Among those might poiusiblylin namedi Tie . Pont Line The , finvertiment had • been ttlamed fart not lntving alrettely intraiswast the discussion of khan Itte 3 w " , t lelet Lei thoiOtt they Were eight itoproeehiag let( Oo v tssi+lo &Why, tor it was a measeet that 'KunCe adopted ttever etotibl our tetrwtted foot; itettirtlit4 ti c Moue. eios eittatit4i torAt1of110:B01,000', ),101, - .. ggiell to et4r it •to toonnouyt:f retitle, whit I SO powerfully destwilresf A be e ke!, of tell,leteeoe, - Apt ad atisiesieLest. leitentreginatitie' witch! to piet ere itY. 1114itiii,:. Twists : HUI_ A law patisNi to vot ion eta) tta #..w.•• .1 it L., clieloof jilto his y asse r k, Act onr, rooll not he the ratne4if the an▪ t's of its that ease, the - effect pre.: ce d e d t h e ge ese, The atateot the lower maidens in jrelitful was wteteted in 1825,. awl the SA-letting Act bad nt t been posed until - 1826 ; even the Bon. Member for Watt!. ford bad been compelled to allow that the miqnyin Ire land W 1.13 not. OCeitsiptled, but only exaggerated by the Sub letting Act. In a public point of view, therefore, it be {loved the Legislature to step in to tell those concerned, that they were not only entailing misery on themeeFses, but in terfering with the 41bumliiiit produce of the soil. When, tig wargonet's vehicle Was in the rut, he was advised to put his own shoulder to the wheel, and be was happy to be able to i:ay that the landlords of Ireland were now ratite!: their oft shoulder to the wheel, anti were thereby eats tutting their country from its difficulties: they were be ginning to he ashamed in these times of remaining like fetelalllarons 'over their wretched Vassals. He (Mr. Dtt tet ty) hailed the Sub-letting Act'as the first step toward the amelioration of the Condition of the Irish poor, end _ .... he implered: the House to foster and encourage the diver 'aim' out of which it had ripen. lie entreated the Hon. and Learned Member to reconsider the opinion he hail thin night dedivered it was generally a safe rule to look at men as well as measures, and the Hon. Member would then see that the Sub-letting Act Wai supported by the Meet 'respectable and venerable individual; well acquainted. with Ireland, who would not say that it was introduced fur the purpose of oppressing the people of Ireland. If, On candidly reconsidering' his opinion; the Hon. and- Learned Member arrived at a conclusion different from that which he had promulgated, and would snake it known to the people of Ireland, he would be a greater benefactor to his country than he (Mr. Doherty) could ever hope to bee.—(llear, bear.) Mr. VILLIERS STUART was decided!) , in favour of the prineiple of the Sub letting Act, although he thought that a medium course Might have heen advantageously put sued, and among other things, an exception made of lands in the immediate vicinity of large towns. Ile agreed with the Hon. 'and Learned Member for Waterfoid, that it was letter that the landlord should puffer from the old law than that the tenant should be injured the ex post filet() nature of the new law. In principle the Subletting Aet was equitable both to landlord and tenant, and although in practice it had been carried too far, yet there was little ground for the clamour raised against it. To repeal the law at the present moment would be to undo all that had been done, and to bring b ick the pcor man to his former state of ;Meet) , and dependence.' The Sub-letting Act was the lenillotirs security against fraud, and the tenant's Charter against injustice and extortion. COlonel DERESPORD vindicated the Sub-letting Act from the charges that had been brought against it, and contended that it only gave to the landlord what he had a just right to Odin, while its tendency, at the same time, decidedly was to ameliorate the condition of the tenant. The prevailing misery hail been occasioned by the middle trien, and the blame had been thrown upon the landlurd. Having said thus Much, be begged to be allowed to refer to a speech delivered by the Holt. Member for Waterfo r d, out of the House, in winch a most tiniest attack had been made upon a Nimble relation—Lord Beresford. Mr. O'CONNELL interposed, and sail that if the lion. Member would allow hint to wait upon him nut of the House, if len did not satisfy him (Colonel Beresford) that what he alleded to was correct, be (Mr. O'Connell) would not only consent that it should be again mentioned in the House, but would ber most willing to retract what he had advanced. Colonel BERESFORD was understood to decline tide propose', and proceeded to notice a sp eech, according to the newspapere, delivered by:the Hon. Member for Water ford at Dunshaughlin, 'in which an attack was made upon the manner in which Lord Ileresford hail treated the' tenants on his estate. Ile spoke only of what lie saw in the newspaper, in which the speech of the Hen. 'Gentle. man tnigist or might not have been correctly reported. It charged the agent of Lord Bereeford at Carlow, with bunting the poor people out of their tenement; and con. Verting the billings intia pastures for four-footed animals. He (Colonel I3,reiford) denied the charge ; Lord Beretiford hail let j:is estate in farms generally of from forty to sixty acre?', out only being of 120 aerie; If the lion. and Learned Gentlemen would inform him (Colonel Beres fi it where he had obtained his information, he Hbould be glad to avoid discourteous expressinne, to Which he ware at all times averse; but it was very hard that a landlord should t h us he most unfairly held up to public odium. Dr. Doyltecoulil bear ample testimony to the Uniform kindness with which Load Beresford treated his tenantry. Not a single tenant, was about to quit his estate who was not two years in arrear, and Who had never been pressed for his lit. Ile voted against the !linden, because he was con viered, that the &Wetting Act wax advantageous both to landlord end tenant. Mr. A. DAWSON argued, that evils intended to be 're moved by the Sub-!etting Act could be much better re. omelet' by the vigilance of time landlords. lie wished to know whether it was not a breach of all principle to pass a law interfering With contrueta between landlanl and tenant, unless a case ofgreat public utility could be shown ? No such case liad been made out : and it was indimput. Blatt the lees the Legislature interfered in matters of the kind, the lens inconvenience would arise. He Con tended, that the misery of families upon an (attar had no necessary ci minection with the Nub-letting of land, and the ancient principle of the law Was, diet restrictions upon lease* ought to he looked at jealously and combated strictly whenever the Legislature departed from that prineiple it and the extent of that mischief could not , be ascertained. A man baring several chil dren is prevente I by the Sub-letting Act front making that just and natural division of his land whiath family purposes would require. He felt that great injustice was done by the interference of that Act with family arrange ment*, It wits a glaring violation of principle to enact , each a law fur Ireland, at the same time that England was protected frees its op e ration, Nor could there be a greater *ration to any law respecting either country than that to which the Suh-letting Act was, in his opinion, jiahle—.namely, that its effeet is to dissimilate Ireland and Eagianl, not to assimilate them. It ale to the number of Irregularities which serve to distinguish and to disso ciate time twa eountrice,—(llear, hear.) One of its re sults . must be, that time population, driven by it out of Ire land, will swarm Into England, Aid aggravate the di*• tresses of the labourers. here. They will not stop in Ire land to perids on the cerninons.—(Hear,) H e o bj ec ted, fiowaver, to time principle more than to the policy vf the Act. fle wW s e4 the two 'countries to go on together, go seemed by the woe lava, and enjnying the same bons. If the House dr:mired to not an end to the naiserim s of Ireland, that object could not he attained by time conti goance of the &Wetting Act, which pushes into excessive activity the mischevious policy of throWing many small foam into raw large one. The p,aossor of a rood of ground cannot be t 4, aerable; but the effect of that Act it to remove the enuntoy pill further from that lmal1) condition in which the Poet desuribea it to have been w lte ~ Every road of ground maltitainitini man." The SOLICITOII-GENI?.RAI. was desirous to main. tali. 44 principle tvliieh was so valoody a d voca t e d b y the Hon, tier4lrmaii opposite. He wished the laws oldie two countries to Ls ,tai gweli as possible assimilated. In all tint laws which lie bad intrndqcgd i he had constantly kept that important object in view , in the flontempt Act, which he bid introduced 13st Session, and thu consNeru. ti040;..1.' which AC as alien postponed, he intended to provide for the 1 ,1;.•,' of Jn.or prisoners in Irel intl. lie could not doubt dig the ifmo Member for Watert rd was now satisfied that every M'eralia pf dist House was disposed to give to the it , tt2rt .1:14 Of Ireland it* 441E4 nipple attention. T.yer,y Alvii,lfrr of that 'louse, whether It' he 'to there from fint34tid ~-,; from Ireland, must consider hinvielf the 1 rtei.r,s, otitCov o,:" 1,, , ,ri.!:, ---('for.) With ' respect to the Jaw in q ue,ti,),:, it 3 11..' , ',t . ,,f . Atr,apti on two things i fi rst, the general principle ; code . 80.!Qt1•11y.1 1 r,e partiitultir pro. ~i,i,,,,,. viii Ow 11. in. Iktiqui,.t , for Viatttinrii had , nil: 1-4140.61 hiuoielf to eie pill tictitte provii:kos of that iirt, 1 tosvo .1 4 , ktvoit o, , it it never was the, intention of Mini.terit ' to ,p a ti oo e4R i m a4l.,riotAin their present suite; but to Soften them Cl'a'n ixt t.k0:;.e . re,, , ,11.1:ts hi wide% O le ic o p era . two. 11l .t rovo to be,o) Morph i er.,1.1 to adopt them in dials kxigenti , n %Tilieli along vuultl juitifi i tlip coin:m..lmile virtunl. a law. ifit considered the Goverittne4t attiliether mektn4b) . 9 for the effect of that enothatanee. SliPuid it b'e' proved tlik..t 4 ,ta 1 i v o f (-rates injuriously, Le onnikkretl. the Goveromeut ki, eo sti,..ablp ;Or any mischiefs that it might produce. Tke, titiii. ,q, ? .i . c., ! .. opposite bad said, that Withi n hilt a gre3t publ ic Pitiii,cin'.o aotilil justify ally into.thrtnee of the. I.egistature in (lt g litrii.ogv l ,ot4 between latitior;) anti tenant, lie prineiple,wiul on tw it alone, hc (the . Solicitor..oeneral) would vomit for word ti dillifiVC 6416 a measule. lie was s ue i i,tliat the Hon. Gentleman (the ;,;.ember fir Water ford) tropld, AO t owline to himself the credit of having u deeper interest in Pla ,welfaieofitis country than trio iiiaiq .distinguished qnd berltivoian,l; prop! . tetra:4 in Ireland *lio support of the law in tjueition. ,I. or :.,o,'.syn part he (Elie SolicirorWeueral) hurt neat pleitsut e in hayi4 4 . l;it fill.fit batiAltlumbetiii ut)ich tii,liereneetvAtvi.eptillibelf asidlii4 UOO. GgfitleAlisl , retpt.ctillg pti, measures which Ic bail sown toll 64* 1 4# 1 4 64 lkii tom la of a i 7 a..3 . ,e in thit 'Joule. Ile wa4,41e14,r4ie to treat Ittin,( Mr. .0' c u,i,vleilf ty4li call pomiblo Atimr:43.) , in every di.eto.;un in i Wei) ) tl. , :!y i i piOt cogata, and he felt ' , unified, from the 'temper which Nits that evritist4ittp triunif,ated on all sides, that as there wai mi need, and there at. 4.0 Pe I;o ildrti fie ition, for pt i soiwii. tits in their tlehatet, they Arl;:::,; , i, iplver, in future IA! 113. 5.a,.t,, , pj 1,,,,,*,(11, a r. ) —lie (the trtol(rito.--f;,,,tiet 31) role have tritogetlpr toiwittillutomi ti, law, if it cUtliii ii:tiC 1 , ,1 cry *1 the I. tf , '“ Whigh the' lion. (ietttleinan opposite (Mr. O'Connell) hail attributed to it on former occiasions He assigned to the operation of that law all the evils of Ireland. Now he (the Solicitor-General) would say de liberately, and without ti'ur of Contradiction, that there i , not one word in that law upon which ouch an effec can he charged. • The law caning pet any min out 0' possession who was legally in possession at the time of the passing .of that law. How, then, could it be as. serted that hundred* and thousands of- poor tenants hurl been ejected from their Jands by means Of that Ad' No man could be ejected under it front a possession t, , which he had a kJ right before, that law .was enacted. The Hon. Member who last teldresaed the House lac asked, where the dieposeesatd peasantry of Ireland shied go? But he (the Solicitor-General) thought that wars a question fur the consideration of the Hon. Gentleman him -elf, and of other proprietors of land in Ireland. Att to the evils which are said to have proceeded from the Sub letting Act, he bad never heard any thing more incorrect stated in that House than (and be would say it with all respect) what the Hon. 'amber for Waterford (Mr O'Connell) had asserted respecting them. , The Hun. and Learned Gentleman had described the first clause of the Act as an ex post facto law. But be (the S dicitor- General) would pledge his reputation us a lawyer, that it was by no means so. It was only prospective. No waiver existing at the time of the passing of that law reinainee unaffected by it. No such construction as that put upon the clause by the Hon. Gentleman could be maintained. The clause does not affect a right existing in the tenant before its enactment. Such was clearly the intention of the framer* of that Act. If the words do not express that meaning, it would be matter for their consideration how that ambiguity was to be removed. " If the words were capable of the construction to which the Hon. Gen• tleman had ingeniously attempted to strain them, it would be a great hardship to the poor tenants in Ireland. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman had complained that an un due power aver the tenant wa given to the landlord by the provision, that unless the right to sublet be expressly conditioned for in the lease, a covenant for the oontrire is preaumed, and the tenant subletting, without a written provision to do so from his landlord, would render himself liable to ejectment. But the only consequence of that provision was, to put the tenant the more upon his guard ; and if he were desirous to have liberty to sublet, he must take care to have a covenant to that effect. The Honourable and Leirnel Member (Mr. O'Connell) further complained, that while the Legislature affected to give the tenant an assurance that his landlord had the power to consent to the alienation of the tenure, it really left to the landlord no such power; for the Act deprived the landlord of his tight to (tigrish) after, such consent to the ulienatinn. Now, the Act positively con fer'', in the provision of which the Hon. Gentleman had complained, , a boon upon the people of Ireland--a boon which is not enjoyed, but which ought to be enjoyed by the people of England. That is a fact which ought to be known to all the people of both countries. The clause complained of provider expressly, that if the poor tenant pay his relit to his immediate landlord, he is protected front the superior landlord, who, in such a case, cannot distrain the tenant in possession for rent due by the mid dleman. By that enactment the poor Irish tenants actu ally in possession were protected front the vexations and oppressions to which they befioe were liable from the neglect or tyranny of the numerous middlemen' who stood between the occupier and the proprietor. He (the. Solicitor. Gener.,l) was at a loss to conceive how Mr. O'Connell could reconcile some of his objections to the Subletting Act with the desire which he bad so often ex peened to establish local Courts, and to give the people law at their own doors and without expense. the ltad. said that it had formerly cost 171. 3s. 6.1. to eject a tenant who ought to be put out without any cost to the landlord Now the present law enabled the landlord to put nut such a tenant at no greater cost than 1/. is lid. Bat if, as the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had stated, it was formerly in the power of the tenant to put the ejecting landlord to an expense of upwards of seven thousand pounds, the pro tection of the tenant was complete. The Learned Gen tleman said, that he would not use the jargon of the law, and that the language of the law should be such as to he intelli t ible to every man. But in avoiding the use of souse law term, the Learned Gentleman (Mr. O'C.) had occu pied ten minutes by the cluck in explaining to the House, what one word would have expressed, from which it was manifest that law is a science, in which technical terms are necessary for the purpose of conveyit.g by a single word, to the mind of done acquainted with the science, a meaning which would otherwise require ten minutes to explain. Ile (the Solicitor.Generai) could not understand why Mr. O'Connell, who so snuck lit sired to place cheap law, within the reach of every man in England, was op posed to the giving of the same advantage to the people of Ireland. lie (the Solicitor-General) would not sacrifice the rights of the Irish landlord to the tenant, nor those of the tenant to the landlord ; hut he was desirous to give equal laws to both, and to let the people of both Englund and Ireland know that the laws place them on equal terms with their landlords. Mr. JAMES GRATTAN gave the Right Hon. Gen. tleman (the Solicitor-General). full credit fur his desire to amend the Act in question, so at to adapt it to the eiremu, stances of the Irish people; but he would ask the Learned Solicitor, why did he now, instead of bringing forward the desired amendments, extol the provisions of the Act as couferring a boon upon tt:e tenantry of Ireland ? He could not help thinking, that if the Right Hon. Gentle tleman had been desirous to amend the Act, he would have dune so some. time within the last thief or four years. Therefore, if the House came to a division on the motion then before it—which, however, he deprecated—he (Mr. Grattan) must vote with the Honourable Member for Waterford. He had , been told by Mr. Chaloner, the agent of Earl Fazatilliam (and, in mentioning that No bleman's name, l►e must say, that from his (Earl Fitxwil liam'e) estates, there had not been even two tenants ejected under the Act), that there was a great difficulty in at.. tempting to act upon the provisions of that law, because it brings the feelings of the landlords into opposition with their interests. The middle-m In being compelled to ex. pel his under-tenants, is deprived of a power which he had possessed for two Centuries.. Should the time ever come—and he (Mr. Grattan) hoped that it never would —when they (the I indlords) could have five pound a barrel fur titer corn, then they would also have the system of small farms notwithstanding the endeavours of the landlords since INS and 1821., to " clear their. estates," as it was called ; that is, to throw many farms into one large one, and get rid of the small farmers on their lands Now, wl►en that principle was already too touch in operation, it was most injudicious of the Legislature to give it increased activity, by enacting this law (the Sub-letting Aet) in 182 ti. The effect had• been to send vast numbers out of the country, betides inun dating the towns In Ireland with large masses of destitute beings, who greatly aggravate the misery already existing in those towns. As he (Mr. G ) theupht that the Go vernment could, if they desired, have found the means to remedy those evils in the four years that the Bill has► been in operation, he must vote with the Learned Member for Waterford, if the House came to a division. Lord F. L. GOWER tvas &boos to remedy any in. conveniences which might be ore:sinned by home pro, tricjona of the Sub-letting Act; and it had West hie o'.ject to do en, by Pe Bill which he brought before the Iloute in the hurt Session of Parliament, end of which the progress war interrupted by the peculiar eireutnetatiees of that Ses sion. If the }louse should not take the same view as the Member for Waterford took with respect to the principle of the Bill, it would not le. neerceary fur him (Lord F. L. Oower) to gp into its details. But there were come pro visions of the bill, which bad been that eveuing alluded to, Bust in his opinion did require amendment. Tie pre. sent Scetutary of State (Or irehnni . would brine forward such amendments. There was an evil attaching to the Act, for . 4/14elt neitlitir that House nor the Goyernment could be cor.sidered revue:lll9. was this, that the law was made fifty,y,ats too late. The Iniehrinite of tol twig• delayed temetlies wee, that they becementoru necessary and lees eflieaviouq. Sir 11. lIMIDINGE nui.t, that it was his intention to up Act on the theme principle, and with the same objects no' It It itis,rgth:qed in the last Aegiiuu by the Noble Lord (Lord F. 1...-annihr): if tliarc tumult{ he 'any dif ference it would be in this—that the' Xet 1 ;0 jo N dueed Its lihn (Sir H. Ilartlinge)' would extend to the 'lrislt` nantry un art of justice, which lie would explain. As t h 4,, i st , / now stood; if there %vete no provi s i on i n t h e least, e i' vi dgttbifo lg ,ut pcpresaly the liberty to sublet, nor either "ft covenant t o 'tiff/4,IMA Ono ha shall not sulilety lie is sup posed to violate the LiAV It he do 4nktit.t t , i, helotc, written pertnimiion from lulu landitud. Now, It t ou ti Ijo for the otnlitoilantuatii4dneibrritjtibioittliuousfi:ntthle;fil:)tir:etmuatuthlitittmte:l,:i•ii:lll,enntittuhred itiwroitwpoeuet:tinatilyll, whether that provision be more intelligent than ttie ionises, be respons ibl e r the conditions of the lour. If tip not w i s h t o a;low h i t s N 4 , 44 !,) subb t he ought to look to his own antlicxprrilly set i',:tth ;n the tease, th at t h t tenali t stilted froinintbletting.: tie 41174 With the lion. t,lein- J,ep Ent Wicktow th at it , is desietible` t$ tittul amploymoll p ie ioiftino train their tenures nutter the-Provi• shthig3ttf that t, they should tact b r in g tooloo t o ut; ,,, 'it WM. pestpoit;le tll,irwitett the 11011, Gentleman f+praiite itio l og .4.4{101 In log In his telatiog to the poor of het anal, the Ifouse would he able ti devise stone edeetnial means foi the cm to , the poor, in public )1 9 works, or other Wise. With great forte; and, he must be allowed to say, with some intemperance, the Honourable. and Learned Member had in other places attributed all - the miseries of Ireland to the Sub-letting Act ; but he felt much pleasure in observing that, the lion. Member did not on the present occasion dwell upon tholes topic so emphatically as usual, neither did the lion. Member for Wicklow lay so much stress upon them. There was no one who paid the slightest attention to the situation of Ireland or took the trouble to make himself acquained with the Act, who would not be ready to admit that the principle of it was cal culated to be highly useful to Ireland. The Great diffi culty to which the operation of the Act gave rise was to • devise means for disposing of the ejected population ; however, much of that difficulty was hourly disappearing, • for the state of Ireland was now, happily, one of progres sive improvement. Ireland was, et the present moment, advancing rapidly. in the scale of civilization. Its internal trade was improving : it was deriving great advantage from steam navigation ; there was a, greater consumption of wheaten bread than formerly; crime was. diminishing; and though there existed, no doubt, in many parts of the country, touch suffering and misery, he would affirm that Ireland was advancing more rapidly in the scale of civili zation, as Scotland and England did at former periods. He was far front saying that the measure did net admit of some modification ; on the contrary, he himself was prepared to lay before the House a Bill for the purpose of altering and amending it; and to-morrow lie intended to move for leiveto bring it in, and he trusted that his Bill would obviate many of the objections to the principle of the measure generally. Mr. WYSE said, as the representative of an agricultural county, he felt called on not to sit silent on en occasion. such as the present. It was admitted on all bends, that the Act, as it stood, should not be allowed to continue in force, at least without some modification ; but as a friend to simplicity iu legielte ion, be should certainly support the motion of the Hon. and Learned Member for Waterford, and attain any useful object of legielution which was sought by enactment of a new law, rather than by any alteratb.n or amendment of the existing Statute. He co:Seabed be could not bring hi+ mind to agree with the Hon. and Learned Solicitor-General, that the Bill was so inepe dative as be imagined it to be. There was not nue who for a moment turned his attention to the state of Ireland 'could thiulit that many of the evils which afflicted that country were to be traced to the subdivision of land ; hut there were no means of preventing that evil, unless, in deed, it were proposed to expel the population. Though strenuously opposed to the,Stetute in question, lie could by nu means agree with those who represented it as having been brought in for the purpose of arming one part of the people against 4 nattier. He was sure the Legislature had a greater and wider object in view ; namely to check the superabundant population. When he spoke of the poit.: lation as being superabundant, he begged to be anderstocd as considering it only relatively so—as only superabundant in relation to its means ; and when he spoke of the means possessed by Ireland, he only spoke of the ,means already developed as being Inadequate to the support of the existing population. Ireland abounded in natural resources--in har bours, rivers, and soil, that country was not excelled by any • in the world, yet they were allowed to remain comparatively idle, for want of means to call their dorniant wealth into activity. Opposed though lie was to the original stitute, he desired not to be understood as declaring, in the ab stract, either for large or mall farina. The excellence of every system depended upon the circumstances under which it existed ; small farms were often found to be most beneficial to the people, if the tenure by which they'were held were free from the taint of uncertainty. Again, he was Hot so 'heckled an enemy of Middlemen—at least in their original capacity—as some had tleclared themselves. Ireland was at one time in such astute as to demand the intervention tif that clubs ; when those who formed the class of absentees retired front Irelaed, middlemen were indispensable to the preservation of their properties. Mid dlemen, at that time, formed, the only link .between the two orders of society—he might add, the only link between the two countries. The effects produced in Ireland on the relations between landlord and tenant were in many re spects similar to those which Fletcher of Saltoun described as belonging to Scotland, and which in the days of Eliza beth were found to prevail in England, tool since then in Bavaria and Westphalia. Mute!' h id been said ou the seb ject of emigration in connection with this matter ; lie must be allowed. to say, that that was a measure which ought to be dealt with delicately, for there was danger that if too freely encouraged it might lead to a loss of strength, sinews, intelligence, 'keying nothing behind but the dregs and the lee,. There wait much to be reformed in. Ireland—had institutions were to be annihilated or re modelled—monopolies were to be re-modelled, its well those of Grand Juries, as of Cairporatitine—efficient meant adopted for securing employment to the people of Ireland..--( Cheers.) Sir JOHN BURKE urged, amongst other objections to the Sub-letting Act, that it opLrated as a discourage *neat to the improvement of waste land. .For examp'e, die improvement of bog was best effected by the sub-let. ting of the land by tenants to totters. He would not sty that many tenants did not, let in full confidence in'the Ito nour of their landlords...wit confidence which seldom was misplaced—but no tenant could rely upon those who might be the successors ot' their laildlorils ; anti fur these reasons, as well as °there insisted on by other Him. 'Mem bers, he had no difficulty in pronouncing the kesent Act highly injurious to Ireland. Lord BOYLE, 'hough no friend io the SUb-letting Art, would vote against the motion of the Hon. anti Learned Member fur Waterford, for lie expected that' suite mea sure would be introduced by the Bight Hon. Gentleman opposite, to place the law upon an improved footing' with reference to this particular subject, which certainly needed the interposition of Parliament. Mr. ItUTHVEN was glad that the Right Hon. Gen- tleman, the Sectetary for Ireland, intended to bring in a Ili•I upon the eui.ject. One of the great difficulties atterid.: lint upon the operetion of the Sub-letting Act was this— that an immense number of human beings were driven from house and home at a tune when no facilities were afforded to those who were disposed to emigrate. The Colonial Governments were not prepared to receive them, and the means of the poor people were expended before they could procure any allotments of land, or proceed to their destination. After a few words frogs Mr. O'Burzsr, which were not andilde in the G illery, e a P ir r at o l‘ t i l i el d: t g ii ° r s a :i t Ct i l f: Nt the abundant. tNenE l t c i ; v i ti eL o p ti l r e h t o u e : a o er f f i o nk l r i e g l ro a r en n p a d t i iy,titte4ohtel part o r n l f t g a t : n i a l eb y s at l if, ' r a c e desire to arrive at the truth, and an earnest wish on the part of lion. Members to enfoice their opinions could afford gratification, there was, in like manner, ebenklant ground receive gratification ; too, a declaration of good will to fur such gratifieation—ao far the people of Ireland might wards that country might give them pleasure, they could, from the present discussion, derive that sort of satisfac tion—but nothing beyond that. From the powerful speech of the Hon. and Learned Gentleinan, the SulicitoreGeneral for Ireland, as well all from ether circumstances, to which he would not more particularly allude, Ile expected that in the motion which , lie felt it his duty to press, be should find 'down' in u minority ; but be could assure the [louse that such a vote would produce .an. exceed in& unfavourable t NM upon the minds of the people of Ireland, The repeal which its proposed was railed for by the unit. d voice of the people of Ireland ; it was called for by the _whole Piess of that country, as well the portion . of the Press Which supported his views of Irish policy as those by whom he was opposed. The parallel attempted to lie drawn between Scotland and Ireland did not, in his opinion, apply the land 'in Scot laud descenthal through a long line of =gent hereditary proprietors, while those in Ireland were held by tenures, which lie should be the last nisim in the world to impeach, hut which intlispotablyha.l their origin, for the moat part, in forfeiture sod confiscapon, and which were new held •• l.y popotts, the greater port i on of whnin were absentees.lle :wed not suggest, tq the !loose that eireunistences such as these coultinot fail to be productive of a pate of po• pular feeling which removed Scotland and Ireland to a wide distance front each other. The It ish had, that night b e en spoken of as eating wheaten bread, and yet in a state of starvation ; as wearing good clothes, yat in a condition pi ablest distress; and the Bight lion. Secretary for Ire land was piietared to oKepte 'be motlor. which 0 . C.) bad needy; and that Iliet Hun. Clentle.o r in prai•e.t the Act most Warmly, and yet before . set of Still io-inorrow, at lost very soon after sun set, he intended to move a modification of it. He concluded by olijoning to the ex istijig On the ground that it went to alter existing con train; rmi a manner mitre favotirel4 to the landlord that, the tenant—that it Witt not allow` landlord mid tenant to deui as they pleased—that it 'aggravated the existing eVi'e o f Ireland by driving the people into the loves, and that no justification of it was sought except upon pound. u thh t in reett4 e;,ogtAlter upon imaginary schemes of tot i gration. The House then divided-. ,l qr the pill Mr. 614 A A N 1117: M it' oy 3 et i lt 7Y. I . eaite :: ; : :: :: I: * 4 :2"-- i 5' : 111 a 13 : Ilill foi li f e rn . t i v h ao b l i t . t in t g alc ir e l tit,,t ~,pptiitou i ty of statini; heritt;l'li:thrio : rin-i°of:o"o67it l e l: l V l t u to n t 4 L r e f l o a i r s w 'r e i t i ett l i io;: a ti n rt pu l l : n ts ,t n n io u e n l a i l s e n v o g:( l l ;l: a b i :i d t; I:e ai re d f :- ra tl i7ie t d subject for two reason:.-.the one was, that ate was al, aid the fide he should neeessuriiy have to state would be the ulcers of increasing that irritation which already existed; and the other was, that he had hopes that the Government would, at the eat liest fitting opportunity, introduce a mea sure of its own. Leave was then given. IRELAND. Me. RICE moved the renewal of the Committee that had been appointed last year, but which, owing to the termination of the Session, had left its labours] incomplete. The Hon. Gentleman. moved the appointment of ta,Solect Committee to take into consideration the state of the poorer classes of Ireland, and the best means of -improving their condition ; and report thereon to the House. Mr. GRATTAN opposed the appointment of the Com mittee. The one that had ken appointed last year had extsmined every thing but the subject before tltem. Out of a Report of 57 pages, there were only 16' hoes and a half referring to the sabject. It put him in mind of the strolling players who enacted the play of Hatokl, omitting the character of Hamlet. As soon as the Committee was appointed, the answer to any attempt at agitating the question in the House, would be that they must writ for the Report of the Committee. In his opinion, it was idle to have any Committee, for the evidence given before them was eternally the came.. He should, therefore, move an amendment, that the state and condition of the poorer orders of Ireland were sußi ciently known by the evidence already given betbre Committcev. of the House, to enable the House to legislate on the subject; and that it was'expedient that some legislative measure should be adopted for the relief of Ireland. Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN said that the whole system was one of bad legislation ; and, in his opinion, the Government ought to take up the subject, instead of allowing Committees to be appointed. It was also essentially necessary that the Govern. ment of the two countries should be assimilated. Mr. BROWNLOW said that when the Subletting Act had been under discussion, it had been urged that a number of miserable creatures Would be scattered on the surfaceof the land, without any one knowing what was to become of them. It was for the purpose of solving that very question that his Hon. Friend (Dlr. Rice) had moved for the present Committee ; and be (Mr. Brownlow) was, therefore, much surprised at his Hon. Friend (Mr. Grattan) moving an Amendment in opposition to the Committee. _ . -- Mr. Y. said, I beg leave very briefly to press upon the attention of this House the justice and expediency of some legislative enactment in fayour of the aged and infirm in Ireland. It is a subject of just complaint in the City of Carlisle, and in the county with which I am connected, Cumberland, .that . the maintenance of the Irish poor, which ought to be borne by the great Irish landowners and occupiers of the soil falls upon the middle classes of this country, who are struggling hard to maintain their independance—that the labouring classes by a disastrous competition are now in a state rather of Russian serfs than that of English husbandmen. Sir, I feel I am advocating a measure which self-interest assay for a time oppose, but which equity to this country, and huma nity towards a muttering peasantry, must urge upon the Legisla ture of this country, and that It is the only tax upon absentees which can be imposed compatible with the nature of free insti tutions. _ Mr, O'BRIEN denied that the Committee last year was a fair representation of those who were desirous of establishing Poor Laws in Ireland. The names of the Hon. Member for Wicklow (Mr. Grattan) and of the Hon. Member for Newark (Mr. Sadler) had been excluded ; and he would, therefore, suggest that the names ofthose Gentlemen and of the Hon. Member tbr Banbury should be added to the Committee. VERI4ON SMITH defended the course that had been taken by the Committee. He had gone into it with a prejudice in favour of the Poor Laws in . Ireland, but he must confess that that prejudice was not now so forcible in his mind, for amongst all the numerous witnesses examined by the Committee, there were none that had a feasible plan for that purpose to suggest. Mr. RICE replied. He contended that every sort of question, both for and against the Poor Laws, had been put to the wit. noses before the Committee, and the names of the Committee were sufficient to show that there could be no intention on his part to pack a Committee. He had the satisfaction to know that the report of that Committee had received general appro. bation. After a few worth from Mr. GaarrsN, the Amendment was negatived without a division, the original Motion was agreed to, and a Committee wai appointed, the name of Mr. O'Connell being comprehended in the list. Mr. O'CONNELL begged to be excused from serving; con ceiving that there was already a fund in Ireland, from which the poor ought to be relieved. ORDNANCE. Mr. Alderman WAlTlllifiisi, -- tititKrstanding that there was no objection to his motion, would not preface it with a single word, but would simply move that there be l a id b e f ore the House an account of the daily employment of the Ebenezer, IVellington, and other Ordnance transports, from the 12th of July to the lOth of August; and also that an humble Address be presented to his Majesty, praying that he woukl be graciously pleased to order that there be laid before the House the record of the conviction of Edward Williams, at Canterbury, for smuggling, and of his sentence for five years' service on board the Prince Relent, and whether any remission of that sentence took, place. Mr. HUME condemned the manner in which the public money was wasted .in the employment of such vessels as those to which the motion of the Hon. Alderman referred. Their only object was to support the corniption of Queenborough, and to contribute to the bringing Intel the House of two Members who were not elected by fair sulti•ages. He recommended to the Hon. Alderman, if he wished to attain his object, to add to his motion the words " or any other vessels." Sir H. 11AltDINGE referred to the Report of the Corn. mitts* of 1818, to show that the necessity for the employment of those vessels had been distinctly proved. An How. Menne& whose name we were unable to ascertain, observed that there was no objection to the Motion. After a few words (ruin Mr. Alderman WAITHMAN, the Motion was then agreed to. The Settlement of the Poor 11111 teas read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Wednesday. Mr. SLANEY brought in a 11111 for better rating tenements under a certain annual value.—Read a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Monday se'nuight, and to be printed. AUCTIONS. Colonel SIIIIIIOIIPE gave notice that after the recess he would move fur leave to bring in a 11111 to amend the law re. 'pectins Auctions, in order to relieve the fair trader from the evils attendant on the present system of Mock Auctions. Adjourned at Eleven o'clock. LIST OF THE MINORITY ON TWUNTV-FOUR, WHO 'MED FOR THU RUPEAG OF 'MR OM 1:8171210 ♦CT. __.... --.. Brabazon, Lord . IHoward, Philip O'Brien %V. S. Brown, Hon. W. Hodgson, John O'Ferra fl, ft M. Burke, Sir J. ,Jeplisoti. C. U. O'Connor, boo liunbury, Sir H. E 'Johnston, James O'Grady, Col. 1 Dawson, A. Killeen, Lard ituthren E. S. Denman, Thos. Leader, N. P. Wyse, Mhos. Hon. B. Lambert, J. S. TELL ERN, Grattan, James M'Namara, W. N. flume, Joseph Howard, It. Osborne, Lord F. O'Connell, D. FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE. FRENCH PAPERS. (From the Messayer des Chombres, dated Nov. 10. ) (CORRESPONOICNOK OF THE MESSAOIIII.) _ _ ALGIERS, Ocr. General iv in good health, and seems well satisfied. In fact, every thing here goes on as he wishes. He intends to subdue the country by policy, and to etn. ploy arms only m extreme CAWS j the favourable accounts which he receiver from all quarters must prove to him that he has cholen the tight course. The Rd ortiie line will embark for France on th e 11>th o f N o . vember, which will make nine regitnents that return home in. steal of eight. Only one Lieutenant-General and four Major_ Generals will be retained to command,the trpo and the city of Algiers. _ As soon as the Government shall have iiignitled its intentions with respect to Algiers, General Clause' will have barracks and hospitals built. lon have doubtless heard what has passed at Constantine. The Bey of that city, who is a Caloughi, not a Turk, has em ployed the Arabs to massacre the Janisaaries, to the number'of 1,000, whom he drew into 3 snare. Alter such an act, he cannot fail to be on our side. The liey of Titery, who IS a Turk, coati. noes his rhodomontades ; he even assumes the title of bey of Algiers, but I think his reign is drawing to is close. The General: in-Chief has announced that he will make Bey in his room the tirst Arab Sheik who shall upset his petty throne ; and at this moment several Arab tribes have risen against bit% and have ac t4ily blockaded him. • You will be glad to hear that the General daily receives letters from heads of tribes, and that many come in person ta assure hint of their desire to do every thing for France. I hope that in a short time the appearance of the country will have undergone a complete change. M. de Bouirmont slept often, whereas General Clausel works night and day. His reputation for energy and justice is so established, that it is felt in Algiers itself, where there is as much order and security as in our towns in France. Think only that I myself sleep in a house the doors of which I have open day and night, without considering that there is any temerity in so doing. In my last letter I mentioned , the departure of one of the Gee neral's Aides-de-camp (or Boni. He has just returned, and I have been to speak to him at the I. zaret t o where he wilt have to perform ten days' quarantine. Ile h as ' been to Tunis, Car- Ging°, &c. At Tunis, M. Lesseps, the French Consul. General introduced hint to the Bey. An otticer from this Bey Is coming to Algiers with rich presents from his master for General Ciao sal, who, In the c yst~ of this people, la the Sultan or Dey of Al giers. 'the mission sent to Oran arrived yesterday. The details of these two mission(' are a secret t however, I can tell you for certaM, that there will not at present be any troop* sent to that point. We have to praise the General-in.Ctilef for his care in hindering those who supply our markets from ill-treatment. Our naive troops (Zoltan') are superb; a,ood muskets and 1,400 cavelry sabres are going to be delivered to them. The Committee of Inquiry hiss terminated its labours, and the report is just sent to the Minister of War, As far as 1 taut learn. its conelosiono.are nearly the same as I stated on the lOth inst. In a few clays, when I have arranged all my notes, I will send you, if not Ihe very text of the commission, yet something nearly approaching to it. (Front the (:onstitutionnel.) A very serious dispute, which appears to have taken place ke• tweets two Ministers of the great Powers, is much talked of in the diplomatical circles. It i s sa id that the two opponents ex. changed souse very harsh exprotsions, and that one of them went so far as to tiny;You betray your (Awn." Some persons pre tend that one of the Atnbtistedore In qtrestiore who is looked upon by llniabsolotiste a' UAL *upper; qf their party, has ad dressed secret' report to hitsCourt,''exhorting it to inform the Cabinet of his adversary of hig liberal it anieriv, Whith he openly manifested during our late revolution. In consequence of this report, it it said that the latter bad very narrowly escaped being recalled. The Ambas,ador has required satisfactory explain,. tions of his denunciator, and made use of very severe expres sions In speaking to hint. The diplomatical peraonage who has censured the conduct of his colleague has become too unpopular in France to expose him. self to pray her sueii o vile ao4 -44.1(picable part. .11. e may cer tainly desire that all Etiropeshould adopt' the 'E(yo.6tri of his Ca binet, and lie may regret to see the *shun.* of his patron fain( g to the d u et; but to attack an able diplomatist in a secret report, and above all to be awkward enough to let that secret transpire, is truly surprising. It is rumoured that the denounced Ambas sador is on the eve of being recalled. BRUSSELS PAPERS. iIItUSSELS, Nov, O.—The old Hall of the States-General is now fitting up fur the sitting of the National Congt ess.: This Morning 4 numerous detachment of Dutch prisoners ar. rived here, e , oorted by 110111* volunteers. The Provisional Government has issued a decree for the pro. tectlon of the liValoto against theta persons who, by tumultuous znasemblages, Violence ' or thrcati, sbnll interrupt public order in thecorti irtarkets.;forthe PurPote of pillage, or even to oblige the sellers to part with their own a; a lower price than they might otherwise obtain. Tbdoltanikrs are to be punished 'with imprisonment thr not less titan two, nor more than five years. fly another decree, the Provisional' Government, considering the disastigs witicli Wive Afttleted ace oral communes ot 'mourn, th ,„ ks i t prxes , ,ary to remind the inhabitants, that by a law of the tnth Vontoni•ir.:, yea; }, the coopmpiel an d their ti,thittititv are responsible tor all trespsitiel coutinitted Uy opeo twee, or by v i01...0ce, in their territory, by aiisemblap either armed or unarmed, whether against per1:0111.Or property, :•12) 1 ,i„_ or private, and for the damages., ensuing therefrom. u ' l ' - semblages have been formed of inhabitants of severtlregglo n 'l all these communes are jointly responsible for such tieSproiel sn''' , daluager. .„ The pay of the soldiers in garrison at INTaestrieht s slit un ; gular. Accordingly; the -loudly express their di11e0e__2,. 4, ? 1 , 1 7, margof them sett their cartridges to the citizens, wrico v '' -' am stock of them, Sixteen sixspotinders are placed on the'Paratie, mid situthen in the streets of Tongres and Brussels. That ars Sleeted towards the gates. . Some individuals yesterday industriously excited ationto Alm, ' families, by announcing that troubles would break 04 an i"' day after the opening of the Congress. ' They adrisOi ever 9 11 :i to shut hip doors And windows. The authors a there rM'''' intrigues are known, and will be rioted out : sole of than i", recognised as belonging to the infamous police of Knlit " troubles should really take place, the Orangisti ,' . ,'''''1 1 ,4, 1 ,; doubtedly cry out that we are in a state of anarehr, Mu 1"' 7 are the persons who excite lutenist dissensions, Which, No la ' will soon be fully exposed. Mr. Cartwright, Secretary to the English Legatien, scdthM.; Ilresson, Secretary to the French Ig.gation, have arrivedin I. city, and were presented yesterday to the Provis►onal al l , ineut. Their raission is entirely pacific. From what iie,, , n. been able to learn from persons whom we believe te_lr:f ',„I formed, they came to propose an armistice between 1 5 . 4 1 1 . Holland. It seems that the Dutch troops would 0v54 0 ,,, 5 „ were, Maastricht, anti all the places they occupy in the make provinces, provided the Belgian volunteers, who alreadr,l: t incursions into North Brabant, cease their operations, IP "' the Dutch territory be respected as it was before 1811. ._ ..„ r. Tri.rnorrow we will publish a long decree relative te 17 ",.'_, mation of a line of Customhoase stations beitareeo our prO IP.. and Holland . ANTWERP, Nov. 6.—lt was not. till yettcrti3Y trawl was permitted to get water from the Scheldt to extiniait t,. _, fur which still continued at the ostrtvot. It was not en t,i i l .. 0 Dutch cruelty to have kindled' the tire-it would NU° e i 'l ' sight for ten days. a. Alit feelicf The majority of the meichants f theeity w Ice i t w e the DerVebitY of forming a Commt Of Cour t ' it ' t „ mee i agreed to send invitation* to the persons belonging . 0 ..,,,, hic b on the 10th, in order to Charm a Cormnittee, the 4,107,,,,, aoj should be to attend to the commercial interests of the tic a . ~,,. to aun..- to all the claims and ameliorations to be Meese , ' ritle4. •-•—,-....."0"..."....1.--. ', . EXPRESS FROM PARIS. w so ad at cy,teih i rec ! r :nVnitinteetebevp4heiertnanorntveniittenoh:gdeirsotiecriuocni:h..!.;Hbe. tacetteriesrl;:indetPoim.sadtve‘reariirted:::dPiCaambneTP":naiiMatanditattly°.,:inpil:;:e..s.iejn.:hat,:ace.„7:Latiamoiujenttttlialf,,ptnht:; .' 1 fain order at home, and peace abroad. • I '' CHAMBER OF DEPUTIM Nov 1° • ' t o e " M. Ihimont de St, Priest proposed to the Chamber tha emoluments of tl poblic horns should be all refuel T . k tu t tio gdo na rn. l charter should bePr°gP°Kivend itli'alt rtlituere‘collaaeeee:ool_,,jf Ilitleo I " The discuuldn of those two propositious were J, next Friday. - pore ' s : 44 l l :l w : gn o to rd n e tht r aeofdpethieneysdatt.orytlwa..z...tb....tititgoi. nikv:lfitijootniognwopof comtphe74,,ilsr;ltao4roptf; qq` that they may furnish their et& , • a i of PO ... months inste ~ t; "M. Eusehe Salverte proposed lo•- - ,-- ' tit ' maintaining that this prolongation was to the t a ns I ter/ ha l° M. liricqueville complained that the late Min t o _ on their • made use of their power to lavish offices and evol)d all oppo, t ed future plications. ame a read ir , :: mini s try n)743myd......xuodaAcenmbe,:liti,inctdreweesnoprth..4griatwo:74mioitstEx,Doo_rbhopraitedtipluoiamoaulp4ireaidimntub:ltit:Yo.ei.hirdrocau:sll:l)eaainYumutilo:,.:o:tadgtio:line:tur:r.hiclae:ltalelblettkosintiln:gileire....rYleiilltirriil:3oy ,:jutjt:hhx.ofeetpituxtretrutui:vr:iiioitili.eittetei:ti.l3, , existing " M. Daunt n t desired that °Ptiiall:P°ljssitUit:inuurn y 'l li t t ' ' " : . haucia t w ..":, °;dit te be e ‘ grgarteauf'se'' ; ill . to the journals who have hitherto refused to tor usii , newest. w;iiiiall. the proposition s which hare 10,1! , M. de Ilambuteau—There are some psif „iv,' to A so condemned by the tribunals, does the Chat ter iii their condemuation t'— {No : No ct ° " M. Corcelles likewise proppsed an arneodtnen jectcd. )ole as fellowo7 aM. Lafitte, Minister of the Finances, t h e n nt , p roeont 3 r. r . " One of the most remarkable character§ oftn 1, ~.. on „ I >< man Govemment, is to oblige every man to come . 1 ~ , t1 r nte nteh candidly in presence of the country, so as to It' "'', a ths two it i s also ent „, conduct, and motives be known by all.able, m ess w:' , l distinctive characteristics of our times to he „ , wiliest .4. ititriojanoosedf M. imancioettiTtatmetc.t that wt ;lir; Cl' re, Hyesterday, to think differently anJ act ddlerel,t)jor,tay .0W44 any title to both esteem and consideration. y a ,. . Truth ift' t o *nations were ' given, but no attack wes nt0.!:„.,,, to o ,it , ~ nationsiblyeeud iccussiobour:rotooentthnelaiinidgtesouradvertniitiliTigyislotetrrnacitteonnotidthut ic.st.Po":: us of i ' , 41:!,.:.1700 h (ft e i i t c.be. 1 1 .,.i igh did no e war 0 scatty Ile rancour . ,„,,, ie sr 3 " clear. Our differences; of opinion re use not, ail 41 . 5 .,14,1 O i l: suppased, from a system of anarchy, antlituroin. .1.:),,,ery ore, serration. No, gentlemen, this mew not ts . r o ot, o , ';', „gilt .0 .; bee of' the council was perfectly aware that r. rti , _.,1440, e u . the constant c. mparlion of liberty,—thet the ... 1i1..,,:r Ev ery . . tr o , of tin.. laws is 1114Spenable until they are 1,1',1:,;10,or ths'lol was alive to the experience of lie9,—everY .. tutttl ftri es,- - n o revolution of IWO ought not tti go rneic‘ 44 B.copf° l ,4lii Europe was to be forced to conciliatioo by the t t Chi t di ~ of dignity and moderation. We all gireeici.?l_,.,, all ,5,c,,,, pointe, because the members of the corn i1.,w.-.,,,,,rdit 14 sense and prudence. But our opinions en y,.!, "'lei t 4 . 1 ,1 preciating and directing the revulutiotti 0 0 1 jr,e,-..,:thod ihte, think that it was so soon to degenerate n t ,_n_af.."..i, 0 ., !!‘; cone necessary to take precaution :lsL!!! 17,7c0ic...0.`,4 t towards it any hugefee distrust and hostility. rre.4 , t t ....,..,,k,riaTt7, 1., general disposition, the members of the tare Cabinet. .1 . _ til...a.'2, la 4";jud 0 . , 0 ,0 ~ reins of wet tempted no 0,0 . . , th r in : fr,r7,,i1,0e 11 , 1 4 t 1 ' o ,ot! competitors will struggle tn so --1 ...tic:end tranquillity. uut!...,1000:; will soon enjoy protb,u,"“ rri, 3s , .frostito to overn. , rf: in , ' it is rather a &Aloe or "" ar `, • r o t. uors. IV's. rrfers ;, or lot t h e to not on the dires.tionu. _ ~,,,,red. it, be:: 10,4: on the basis of the tern 0,9'.. wil;tl, c ocas() r;t o , 0 , confidence entertained on el.f.o.7uoti one pretrial ?l , •!„:; 0 , IY the Government I repeat t"'"tha t the best ‘-olioil coo but we were told also , geitt'leM"' nfundementalndli.tes _ _ !f,.01),..,;* dor ; best title to power, WAS cOnfideoce in would r eaps it .'"' - Doan „ f their opinion was the best-4* . Fell,it w ould hat's lo a Ater order to direct anti understatektt..inst tt. pi:: _,.,. not to entertain any lil)Preheno?n. a• "'h en ire the true MO inlit7,-,1,, feeling of order and justice. --'- g attr 11110C,1 ° Olio ro worriment, might have become snorer of certain nwiies that' of others. o N v ,e faithful subjects. Notwithstandiug ourt,,F.T.,,, th e tft tnt, 0, 1;i: , l' . Crary, it was said that we Alone could , !..±±i t h a t , odoor,',•ttata .i, dinathogramevevtioctputu:eokliuilobitoruies:tisi:ettousr,:ede.ing. thit,aotlsbeoyteetitri,hrineti,kvinirkrtietti,ttelit,i;ata,ditte4tetiteleitylravitasros:lll;(i_ti.....tkih:_tauttibotya:t;(o:ol.l.Faiuttliil;(l4?rolioa:ll:?;.;(l,i: der; we here beets forced to try our 1 . 1 17 „i l l,' ~.rd oft, and peril. Well, Gentlemen, we accel'4l:dpier tllsi we shall fulfil it with courage and resolutio .._,„tiii.ne!..oll will certainly triumph ; the laws ahall.l.felltwasy 7,0 .. never cease to be executed until eel ,!qo'citssrfq Teel",r, your decision, and whets you shall deenl i tr,',,4 oink , ot oc!,!'. accomplish the duty which . has been li T7,`1,0 s ill o fsJi,.: . guarantees we can otter are the confideT•se7t,......)(rlieneetail';. union, and the support of all Pod c":„ at elpor t i w oh 11 4 e r. sion.)—We particularly reckon upon youtoot ie loin y0ur..0., berthasf roe, forts, n s r b y e u 3 s t:t:o i t a b:i t s :trwoosinurgepthatt ,o and ac Mein it th s i 1 "1 :C e°3rl t' La , ' . `4 1 0 , a i i. i i e jt nie. seti . c7 i : th iae. i o n fi k limr it yu n c uc olian essa eagueg ry ccu t i o tab eCi t we n r i ,i l:llo t: t o ll :: c,e lif i;: : :ol :: e 7 . ,l : :ll:l l ! , : g which each of us has 'select in the prin t5''.,.,,p1ee1.7 " The question was then put relative tt 0n' ...... .,, ~, 0 Number of votes ..... e ............. `''' ............. • "".. in , For the law .......... .. ............... ................... . ..... .; to ttie.. of 4,. Again5t........... discussion ~.. then ... ~ . ..ree.„,, 0 ,41 „ d or o or! i i, ' A very ardent t9 o l‘ P; t . et "afi r eh w o o dependence of the members of the Chain . l u tteoue ~,,o tf M. Latneth having been summoned m u c h s , wss it 44 n o. fording any motive . for the stiMmollas . •-.31 k ( irt. our yeporter lea. .. o N eerrias:.afil e efi ! " rhe Messager des Chantbrel has tn„ 1,0011,.--00.,0 to son, Secretary of the F rench ilmbassY a. , _,„. and iesel or . weight, Secretary of the Walsh r.10.45..1,,, Apr f i r 0 Loudon on Saturday fur C4i&IS. They stc.,"i i t he prOv'itri . t9, c ° clit Atf are l i r i tais ci su l la rem ba itedi 'c loe t , itsgisad'uncipbloiti:Orweentr.tikewihot:ociLrher°,6tiitbic..tii!,o:Pre.loet.n"vrNuothielnlisPaseis'Arim.llsloo.unr°:onidulndUadaitY(C:itrigitieit:hit;;.,v;iiiece3l:,lll,":l.llly.l..'ltlicii,oc.,r::tp,il:°l:ll::irdoieo:(l:l:'Ptii:::r"..ll'li 10 :1 ;4' 0,11 : :: :00 1:1 0 :' ,: t ,li i i ' 0 1' 1 :: 0 :1 : , ; 11 Sl)vereign Prince of the United Prorinceed . 1 0 0 to et , r main to the north, whil st the citadel 01 ,„ ia ys. . 9 04 , - 0- 90etcatcPeTilee.uitoc'ulna.c.tedsioc.e;k1u.)4:63:;Y:71t :: e e rl l4 :ereioc.d : sa ß, :lu .eme de t n t 3(v.iet i o r gt io l en r : cit its.t l w " ,i t' i,: tgh teeeo t e : w l s, V t 2 :l l6 l rs;cenTiarept4ll:oc.hi'.::3o:o.,uh: et e°.li(rrrl26:),a"(lll.io.ig'o:ooe'li.vuliif4:l4v:A;:::jbrt*::o,:rl::s.npt:,st,,,:::..os:::.,kli,,p:lL:,‘,o:ic°;'l.,)to..,tl:'',.:;l'ar;l:',i'p etlf. Cen •Ne i ur Rents Perpetuities d'Eseagne 4 , k's I IP " 1 0 6 Loan, 3tOf. z.u. ator. Eieluottt r °,', 4 014(0 14 ri N c y ht 1 g i liesr(pTriln supp o sed ti e l ed---Si)c to have tletter, have r e r L:e s a e : d i : 047, .. po t i. ~, j t t.di e l :l ,, : ,l l ' ' :. , ~,,,,:. ,!:: is . 4 a col)) h fos'" which ....,s. . . i r ) Dant/anal' on Wednesday night. T he Prlthret, ''' dir strews follow,—the first Certainly inn .01i) t.tliev a )/ " 5 second pretty evidently points out 4. ,1f r• 1311°1', ,goott. i.ote ll person threatened t-- - - ..,, W sr'litl ilr , 16 ,e - 1, or i ". Law Society's Mouse, , 0 1, , A.,,,,Def ', t o 01 v . " Lincoln'S-inilt m e .. l ,llsiti l ' 'iott r ,d f t" " The Law Society presume that ynn t ~,,, witli:vl,l4 V portanCe of this subject, and that, ID C01011,,t0y,, we °' practitioners you will, as occasion 0 1 . 9 YC a ttscit Y i . , e p., your sense of every unfoundedand MOO ~.,- . , .0e degrading or injurious to the profession viNPU,4OOI‘.4, sae 1 , . ly. H. ti...-7, jpi P o ol cr ',o! " Resolved, 2. That the Imputations ce,±„..,,,,q ie . ... es . „lik solicitor*, of causing tielatto the atiltilltin"d" clot:genie Creasing expense its legal proceettlfigh_liied to tP - 4 ;pa le remuneration for theititerviees are -(s* erto to o:0,e unfounded and unjest, anti calculated ~_.odie .„ gt„ of them, and to weaken the confidence ea' t u ;' t t e essl r e w ,ov y Public seeurity. Yet so long as those IMP ...,..,. tat r-4,1/04 the Society did not attesript to those tn..e.....;01 Mr ti od . t, lately brought forward and embodied in, PeZerliigheV j os "t act melds (thus to obtain the imection o,,,c't'iroteet. 7.. the country), II her bt?aonie neceiseff : .., il lse o Ispersioits. i !. a. 4Tirat the Jut es Of Pll;iliCs at:L d ~il a ttc..; ; i s , i i responsibility, labour, and anxiety, ?T ot h In !,.„..:, i n 0 4 enc.?, atteittion, acrd pertererance, 110._,,,m,y-_,,,,5), i of property under family iiettlortion.t! a . a ,o a li t o .10,:tteiee. -, and scrutinizing facie and ion , ane,ltefe,, dence I . r judicial investigation and ad' s ,sratioor,"°i'illel;e'lo44 • assistance in these important leant PoViament, IP ~,vilY,;( be derived from t•outisel, however, . ~,uhl nerofeein tta confusion, embarrassment, and de-a, l' or , t ole ,oeil , rendering it impossible for judges or ? V,,,, or uco # sportive duties satisfatorily to thertssoo-', ,r, i -ie 0 0 country. the 1. 4 coats to ttua i ci "e. 'that nothing can be more dielsl ,y , 04101! „e$ , o , ~ the ' 3* 00°' o r loteret sof the continunlty than s tooieierslioll..l ~,,, untried sytteuts, under the delos,ve I .. ~.,..0 „,,, ~..‘ . , tics! reform • and many of' theebeir.tr';:t",',s, ',se „,I',l;ane aroeT the law, whlch letie t Ceti coeer_lPT,„ht into .1,,F; 14010,04 those included • • in . ss Bill reitehtlf,fru'ayt to to. ,4` 0 0. 1 0 400 in the opinion of this Society, caw". :r a j,' anti, - r , fo i l s j : ii s , inon% encuurage a spirit of littgAo".cobibtl",teerhoo liberal education, character, told T tr jos or sortoaia 0 ! the prefessiett,‘ or practising as ett bithe to . tp, , 00 to deprive the public of th e +fecuntY 4 000 itneit s al advisers, iitit)o l ‘ . ' " 13ENJ A MI