The Sun. — London, England, 1830-12-07 00:00:00

"reml4 No speedily at possible endeavour to ripply some re lief, in the way of a diminution of taxation, to those wh were at present so heavily burdened with tile relief of the poor. COMMITTEE OF .SUPPLY. On the motion that the House resolve into a Committee of Popply, Mr. P. HOWARD implored it, as it wee about to vote sway the produce of the taxes, to direct its attention to economy, and by all means to endeavour to manage their income and expenditure in such a manner as to allow of the repeal of the malt tax, which now pressed 6o severely on the agricultural classes. The Houle then went into Committee, Sir A. Ointot in the Chair. Mr. S. RICE, before he called the Cs triMittee to con sent to the resolutions which he had to propose, felt it his duty to say that the estimates which he now wished to provide for were those framed by the late Government. His Majesty'. present Governinent had whet. directed their attention to those estimates which were to be prepared, than to those which had been already Made up; and as the sums now required were merely directed to supply the, ex penditure of the two months of the quarter, and to pro vide for expenses already incurred, he did trot anticipate any objection to them from the Hon. Gentleman opposite. Having said thus much, he should at once move that a sum not exceeding 137,6001, be granted to make good the ex tesordinary expenses of the army up to the end of the year 1830.—This resolution was agreed to. On the resolution granting a sum of 113,000/. to de fray the Army services for seven days, from the 25th to the 31st of December, 1830, Mr. CRESSET PELHAM condemned the extrays- panne of the Estimates for the Army, and observed, that at the commencement of the American war the whole annual amount required for the Army was only 013,0004 a sem scarcely sufficient to pay the expenses of the pre• sent force for a single month. Itesolntions—granting 93,872/, to complete the sums required for the expenses of the Conunissat lot ; 0,000/, for the Civil Contingencies; and 60,000/. to defray the expenses of works completed under the direction of the Board of Ordnance-,were then read and agreed to. WINDSOR CASTLE, On the resolution requiring,a further sum of 25,000/. to defray the expences of repairs and .improvements at Winienr Castle, • Colonel fiII3TIIORPE protested against the expendi tore of money in such a lavish manner, and without tint prospect of coming to any termination, They hid already expended a sum of above 000,0001. to complete altera-; tiers, which had' been originally stated in the Estimate laid before the House at only 150,000/, In the Foment mate of the country by theught it would he highly cut= pahle in the Member' of that House to sanction the ca/1. tinuence of this'extravagance.. Mr. RICE begged to remind, the Hon. Member that the sum now required was fdr the purpose of defreying *allergen already incu rre d. It should also be recollected that when this subject was mentioned in connexion with the estimates of the year on a former oce,,sion, the House refused to sanction the expenditure of any further sums until. a Committee was appointed to inquire into the nature of the estimates, and the state of the winks. That Committee was accordingly appointed, and their report was now on the table of. th e Hous e . He could aasure the Hon. Member, and the Mum, that the suggestion con. tamed in it would be maturely weighed before the Govern ment attempted to come before them for any further sums on the same account, No such estimate was yet formed or determined on ; but he was certain that when it was presented it would be found to be regulated on the strictest principles of economy. Sir G. WARRENDER expressed a hope that Windsor Castle, the ancient Valets of our Sovereigns, would, now that the. country had gone so far, be thoroughly , repaired, an d endgred , fit for the residence of the Monarch. Mr. GEORGE RORINSGN, said, that the expenses already incurred were more than four times act ewers over the original estimate ; and it should he recollected that the work was commenced on the assurance of the Government, that the expense wail to he kept within, the. estimate. Ile protested againet the doctrine of the Wu. Baroaat (Sir G. Warrender), that they were bound to gee on with thin extravagant expenditure, because they.bad already assented to it in so many instances before., In his opinion, it would be much better that the first ex pense should be lost than that they should, in the present orate of the cougar'', persist in such foolish extravagance. lie hoped that, at alt events, the present (Jovermortnt would adopt a different mum, and that they would pro duce a full and satisfactory ratcrnate of every work Wore they called on that House tO advance money for the pur pose of cart ying it on.—(Hear.) Mr. CUTLAR VERGUSON trusted that the times in which the House found itself pl iced in the dilemma of either going on with Useless and extravagent works, or of abandoning what it h a d already expended as lust, were new passing may, and that the present Government, would feet the necessity of pursuing a course more coma mint with those principles on which it sought. dm appio hation and support of the coimity. By tht se prine4e* the present Governmeut were now to he. tried, And he trusted the House weld figol them sensible of tire dir treitatta of the, country, • and that economy would at, last he construed in it, true meaning —that of unsparing retrench. tuent.—( Hear, hear.) Mr. CURTEIS prOfessed his , determination to divide the House as often at its ferms would permit, if may at tempt wee made, in the present state of the country, to Obtain money for carrying on the erection of two Nieces it the Mine time. ME. WARI3URTON understood, from good authority, that the architect employed in the erection of Buckingham Palma had sent lit an account for one' quarter, greater by some thousands than the sum originally required for the whole of the improvements,. Ha understood that an im. illeti%t sum was yet required to complete• that Palace; but be hoped that the present Governawnt, before they made any's/emend for that purpose,- would take care to astlntio by estimate what war the probable amount required for this purpose. It wee bet illieee to the late. Government to say that they had, or, learning the return of the expen diture going on, ordered the.worke to be suspended, but /se thought it would have been more to their credit if they had given that order during the life of the late King, rather than after the suecys.ion of the present Sovereign. Mr. RICE assured the House that the strictest economy would be adopted in every branch of the puhliu service, and that any attempt to obtain money on unauthorised or unrecognised statement* would be carefully avoided. The resolution was then agreed to. RIDEAUX CANAL. Mr. RICE, in calling on the Cotranitt;ie to assent to a molutinn, granting 40,740/, to complete the sum re quired by the estimate of 1830, for the Ritleaux Canal, called its attention to the expence tvhich had already been Incurred. Several estimates had been Mimed in the pro gress of the work, and tt stun of three hundred thousand pounds had' been added to the original estimate in Com queries of difficulties 'occurring from . the nature of the ground. A committee of engineer. who List examined the work, had reported that they might be completed for 150,0001., in addition to the 672,000/. 'already expended. Thin sum it was proposed to spread over the four years up to 1823 ; but it was now found that 44 , 1 , .0001. would be necessary ; and as the Government were not prepared to make a demand to that extent, or to any extent without the most diligent inquiry into its propriety, they required merely the stun which would become tine fur the present year, according to the original agrremcnt, Jr. WARBURTON gave the Government credit for its candour, Itut,protested against any further expenditure. 'Mr. MABERLY olio protested against any further en. penditure of British capital on the canal, ;tut ridiculed the idea of fortifying 1,700 miles of frontier at the expence of this country. Mr. LA BOUCHERE had, from a¢nnvictinn of its ne: reasity,-alwaym voted for this eximonliture on the canal and trtificatione, I ant. .1e was still prepared to contend that th e y should lie completed. The moat efficient barrier against an invader was, however, at uontented and attiafied pope. trains ; and he hal ed that* some attention would now he paid to the Civil Adrffinistration cif Canada, es ho was confident all matters in dispute could be adjusted with very little difficulty. Mr. OOULBURN defended tie conduct of the late Government with respect to Canada and the Rideuttz Canal. 'The original aunt required' for the Canal was only 150,000/. ; but When the forest wan cleared, and the ground opined, it Was found that 1100,0001. snore would be neeessaiy ; and a Board of Engineers were twice' called on to routine the works before it was agreed that We stun should be expended. Mr. MARERLY repeated his protest against the ex- Iliture of so muck British capital upon the fortification at the frontier line 'of C tuella. Nir 11, HADDINOE mentioned that the Canal in flotation War ealetalatati to'rave'eiperice. ' In threii years pi tire test; war no lets *UM than a Millloll of money had been expended In the rotiveyence of stores up the River St. Lam, five, and in one year alone 600,000! No new works had pitaen recently commenced on the frontier of Gtnalla. Is rise of the utmost importance to lireeeive Canada, as the loss of it would tend to render the United States a powerful maritime orate, Mr. Alderman WAITIIIVIAN concurred in opinion upon the subject with his Ron. Friend the hrember for Britlport. The resolution was then agreed to; as was also a Testy lutitm fir granting the sum of 71765 i. 04. 7d. to corn. pieta the awn voted in the' la4t Bdoiloti for 11.1i4cellaneoua Serviees in Ire! dui ADJOeRNAIENT OF THE tiO-USE. On the motion for the Speaker)* leaving the thkir, Sir 1. KNATCHBULL was &Skew; of asking the Noble Lord a question with respect to the Adjournment far the Holidays. He did not wish to embarrass the Noble Lord, but it was of great importance to Hon. Members, with reference both to private Bills and elettion petitions, to know when it was intended to hove the Adjourment, and fur what length of time. LOid PALMMISI`ON answered, that the day of Ad , journtneet Must depend upon the progrtaa of &bile busi ness. As far as be was now able to page, he thought that the Adjournment might probably take place about the 16th instant. Ift was impossible for him, however, to state the. precise day. What the probable length of the Atioernment might be he could not exactly says He was sure that it must he generally felt, that in the existing state of the country the prestute bf Hon, Gentlemen for a time in their respective counties was exceedingly desi rab'e ; and that they would be almost more toefel there thin in their places in tl.at House. It was almost ex pt client that the Members of his Majesty's Government should have the mesna oflooking round them, and arrang ing the various measures which it .would be their duty to propose to Parliament. It was probable, therefore, that the Adjournment would be moved for as long a period as was consistent with the prictlce of the House. The House then resumed, and the Report tas ordered to be reFeirea to-toorrow. BEER. On the motion of Colonel SIBTHORPE, returns were ordered to be laid. before the Houle of the number of Con , vietiona for Adidterating Beer, in England and Wake, since the year 1827; end of the Informations ordered by the Board of Excise on the same subject within the same period. CHURCHES AND CHAPELS. Mr% HUGHES HUGHES gave notice that on Thurs day he would move for leave to bring in a Bill to amend the Act of the Bth of George IV., for Building and Re pairing► Churches and Chapels; and that on the same dui he would move en Address to his Majesty for any opinion that bad been given by the late Law•oflicers of the Crown respecting the third section of that Act. . Vsrioun petitions were presented by several Hon. Mem iks; and at a Quarter After Nine o'clock the House ad jaunted. TRIAL. OF THE EX-MINISTERS. COURT OF PEERS. INTERROGATORIXS or tint ACCUSED. (Count PIEYItOgIOT continued.) Admitting that tit Ordinances which you considered legal wertFonlyext'asively dangerous, as you have always appeared to believe ; what motive could have been poweribl enough to induct yt)ti to expose the Government of which you formed a Part and even the Crown itself, to such a danger is very difficult for me to give a 'smith° answer, Maine I could not do so without revealing the opinions tApfessed in the Council, the votes given, and the manner 113 which those votes may have been divided; besides, I mitst r. peat what I believe I have already had ocea,. sion tn retook, that it is essential to preserve the distinction lse 'Omen the system itself and the ordinances which were subse quently Mimed to carry it into exeCutleh after its adoption. It is easy to conceive the possibility of the votes being dillbrently di vided in the deliberations on those two points. The !'otintil, then, was not unanimous on the system P Ci , tinly hot. Was it unanimous in the ordinances P—A tangible proof of that fact exists in the signatures to them. it is true that reproaches Calculated to give rise to a false honour, were, if not directed, at least insinuated, against those who 'Might reftise M sign T—lf this question be meant to imply a ouppositlim that any such reproaches fell from the lips or pen of any member of the Ministry, I have no knowledge Of any thing of the kind. _ Ditt such a report emanate from a higher quarter than one of your Colleagues F.'.l iiMnot recognize that supposition, mu, h less . reply to it; idler the signature of the ordinances, you must have foreseen the clitticidties and even the dangers filch they Wonld meet with in being carried into execution I find what part did you take in the measures adopted to itosure their execution P—None what ever • and I may teen add, that no police report was laid before me flet the :Kith of July 'A witting that you had no participation in those measures which .were purely military, those relating to the jUdgMents which would be rendered necessary by the legal or violent resist. mice which would in fribly be opposed to the Government were naturally within yourjurisdiction ; what did you ray or do on this subject f—The judgments, properly so called, to be pronounced soh* those who resisted, were not In the jurisdiction of the Minister of the Interior ; nothing, however, was said or done on that subject. ' You weld so well aware of the attadlinent, and even devotion, of the ordinary tribininis to the right* established by the Contd.. tutimi k that it is imposSible you could tave depended on their support In the extra-legal course which you had adopted ; ono. then kind ofjuatiee was therefore necessary ter yen; to a hat de.. cription of tribunal* did you intend to (Address yiairself P—The possibility of applying to any other than the established tribiinals never entered my mind, nor did 1 ever hear such an idea exprowed. Did not the fact of declaring Paris in a state of siege imply, for the ttiolnent r t least, the intention of resorting to courts-martial Can the adoption of this measure in the centre of the Govern molt, and on the identical FINA in which all its powers Were already so perfectly c rucentrated, he accounted for in any other trimmer than the want of these courts martial P—That measure was occasioned by it important and unforeseen event; it was propped cni the evening of th e 27th, and tulopted conditionally. It Was dependent et the aspect which the capital might present on the following morning. It was considered that it would be perfectly justified, if the dlwrders of the preceding night.were augmented by muncrottS and extended attacks. The pane- tie only was determined on tin Tuesday; and it hail been agreed that the Pi esident r.f the Council should take the King's orders the 1 tt day, 4u:cording to the then existing state of things. Be. tw,-,11 the first deliberation and the signature of the ordinances, I had no communication on the subject. Now is it possible that you, formerly a Magistrate, were not in the highest degree alarmed at the very thought of declaring In a state s i t siege, depriving the cspital of its magistrates and authorities; and giving It up, witheut defence, to military executions 1' Were the consequences of this measure expiruned and discusced in the Council ?.--in the first place, the measure was proposed as legal, and also as calculated to intimidate the authors of the disturbance, and ai the most prompt method of mestablishing order. Ily whom was the ordin ince presented for the Royal Milne. lure P.—All I can reply is, that it was not by me. Do you know if the measures necessary to render that ordi nance known to the public, anti sufficiently apprise the people of the necessity of submitting to it, were taken or were commanded have heard that these measures were taken, but have no personal knowledge of the fact. Can you account for this extraordinary circumstance?—]t arose from the manner in which Ili-used the day on Wednesday. That day was one of those on which the Council was usually held. Not having received at eleven o'clock any communication whatever, I left the hotel of the Minister of the Interior for St. Cloud, dressed in my costume as Minister, and with my }port folio wut. r the persuasion that the Council would be held as tonal. I remained there a txmsbierable dine ; but only one of my colleagnes having come with me, the Council was not held. On leaving St. Cloud I learnt, merely as a matter of probability, that my colleagues might be assembled at the Tuileries. I thought it m_y duty to go and join them. On try arrival at the Pavilion of Flora, I found 'myself deceived in my expectations. No one was there. I, however, waited a long time, under the supposition that they would assemble. I wise UM) informed, that 0110 of my colleagues was in the opposite wing ofthe Palace. I proceeded through the interior to the apartment indicated : it was empty. I again waited a long time; enti It was not until after the lapse of fieVeral hours that I fund out in what part of I the Palace my colleagues wore assembled. While you remained - at St. Cloudoathat day, did you see the King, and was he intbrmed of the importance of the everts which were passing at Paris 14-1 did see the King, and have no reason redoubt his being informed of what was passing. Did you bear at St. Cloud that Marshal Mannont had already sent a report which might be considered alarming V—No„ I did not. It aPPears that none of the measures necessary to render the declaration of Paris being in a state of siege known to the public, were adopted or even commanded. How happens it that you, an experienced Magistrate and the first administrative authority of the kingdom did not fled the importance of those measures and insist on their adoption P-1 have already toplied to nearly the same question ; I was ; and am still persuaded that those mea. sures had been adopted. I learn now for the first time that any doubt exists on the subject. Did you, in your capacity of Minister of the Interior, give in structions to the Prefects of the Seine and of the Police that no aunt should be any where employed against the citizens until after the proclamations (aammatioso)presaibed by the IAW P Had you a properunderstanding en this subject with the Commander of the military forces 1 0 —From a period antecedent to the com mencement of the acts of violence I had not had any comment. cation with any of the persons indicated in the question ; more partlenhirly with the military commanders. Was it the opinion of the Ministers that, from the moment the city was deelared in a state of siege, all duty of superintendence on their part was at an end, and that they bud only to look on and await the event P—it appeared to me to be their opinion that the functions of Government continued, but that the adminis trative functions of every kind were concentrated in the person of the Coinmender-in.Ch ief. . _ _ eminent reserved the power, and had it net the intention of itself giving directions to this Commander-in- Chief ?--;1 , 10 intention of this kind was either expressed or acted tut in my presence: It appears from all the depositions,. even from those of the officers of the Judicial Police employed at this time in the 'quarters in which the roost important engagements took place, that this formality , wat no where complied with, and that it had not any where been ordered , How Can you excuse such an omission know Nothing of these facts ; I deplore them deeply. I have had no communication with the Prefect of Police since the and, notwithstanding the depositions, I cannot l"ct believe that the officers of the Judicial Police were guilty 4 such a detention aurn their duties. Had you any knowledge or-the forty-five orders of arrest de livered on Tuesday, and directed against the journalists and printers ? Was the order to issue thrill deliberated in the Council ? have only anown the facts since the commencement of these proceedings ; it was riever mentioned in the Council. Had you say knowledge of the order given to the Cour Royale to repair to the Toileries to tchrtinister justice P 'Was it not the object of this order so prevent that Court either confirming the Judgment which lied just been pronounced by the Tribunal of Coomerce, or protecting, by its decrees, the citizens who had beets despoiled of their privileges by the stew Ordinances heard that the measure was adopted on the morning of Thurs day. The motives of it could not be those supposed by the ques tion, as thin is the fitit time i have beard of the judgment pro nounced by the Tribunal of Paris. kleede4 this measure was not the result of a deliberation's!' the Government. Ud you know who gave no Tuesday the first order to disperse by force the crowds assembled at the Hotel des All :tires Etre°• gores ' the Place du ?Ads Royal, and the llourselC4 do not and. could not know it, as I was all the tit!) , either at St, Cloud or at the Hotel de l'huerieur, without receiving any, communication of what was passing: When all the Ministers were assembled at the heed..quatters at the 'l' uileries, do you know whether they met In Council and deliberated once or several times P—No Council was held. 'then were not furnialmti with stiocessive accounts of the hntoward evouta which were taking pike ; I only gathered general anti yaps, account. (if them. Had you any knowledge of the oration made in the courfe IAW of neatlay by the. Definitive o hp Seine to Mateltel Mar mont, entreating him to put a atop the evils which wereaMiet. in the capital I' Did M. de l'olignic commtinicate to you the request made to him by the Marshal to bear these Deputies, and his determination not to comply with ft P-1 was aware of the epplitationi I was informed that thetie Deputies were at head quarters. I was not informed of thc details of the conference with the Marshal. I was inforined of the refusal of M. de Po lignac and believed it to be grounded on the necessity of taking the. K ing's orders. Did any 'Member of the Ministry, after your return from St . Cloud on Wednesday go there the same day to communic , te the real state of affairs to the King P—l am not aware that any one did so. • . How happens it that at the close of that disastrous day, when all the night was before you, it did not occur to any meralter of the Council to take that step ?-•.The ordinary communication of titeralacil with the King only, took place through the medium of the President_ It w0u1d..., besides, have been perfectly useless for me personally to take such a step, for the ei , itten reason that the Marshal had not ta that time etniununicatcd to me any par. denials of his militarfri> Init. How did M. tie Polignac and the other Ministers at last come to the determination on Thursday morning of going to SI Cloud ?—I cannot give any precise answer as to M. de Polignac's determination, but I can as to my own. The Marshal announced his intention of informing tpe personally of his military position, and of inducing me to go and comthimicate it to the King. He did so, and 1 proptiled tit do all he wished. I departed imme diately for t!it. Cloud, *here I qulekly and faithfully executed rodnission. At the moment I was leaving the Tuileries, I held some important communications With Messrs. de Seinon. vine and d'Argout, on the events of that unhappy day; these gentlemen can give you an adeount of the sentiments with which they found me animated. The, resolution adopted by the King, in pursuance of the steps taken by you and several o. hers, appears to have been come to about eleven o'clock in the morning, and yet it was not carried into execution until late in the evening: Is that delay to be attributed to the influence Pt the Council of which you formed a part ?—I am entirely ignorant of the causes of that delay; I was not eVilit aware of its having existed, being convinced the ettecution of the ordinance would immediately follows its sig nature. Can you throw any light on the extraordinary circumstances of the fires which, during the latter months of the existence of the administration Of which you formed a part, devastated several cantons of Normandy, and which took place in a manner which it is difficult not to connect with the execution of some plan pro. jested by deadly enemies ti the repose and happiness of France —The fires in question had commenced long bettirc 'entered the administration. I opened the deliberation of the first Council, which took place atter I Was established in the Hotel of the Mi. rffstry, by it report to the King upon these events. I proposed to the King on the same day extensive and energetic measures ; his Majesty adopted them without delay, and two regiments of the guard were in consequence immediately sent into Normandy, and the Lleut..Gen: M. Latour Foisaise was also sent there, invested with extraordinary powers, I had is conference with that general officer the next mbrning, and I hope he will not reins° to give evi. dente as tb what paused. I also wrote daily with my own hand to M, le Comte de Montlivant the Prefect du Calvados. I urgently request that both that magistrate and DI: de Kersaint, Prefect do Pthne, and M. d'Es' touniel, Prefect de la Manche, may be exa mined. I wish also that the instructions which I constantly gave those magistrates may be collected and appended to the proceed. itigi. It will there, I hope, be seen that I neglected nothing in , my power to stay the progress of these calamities and discoter the authors of them. In addition to my daily instructions, I caused a reward to be Offered for the arrest of the authors and instigators of those Crimes. I did more. I wrote with my own hand to M. de Montlivant an order and authorization to come to an understanding with the heads of the local judicial authorities, and to promise pardon to the subordinate agents who had been condemned, if they made any important disclosures which were proved to be authentic This step on my part had been approved by the Council and authorized by the King. Novmoon 25. The Commission has been recent :y informed that sesls have been placed on your lodgings, No. 0, Quai Voltaire. It is nem ssry that they should be taken off before the conclusion of the examination, are you desirous of being present, or Jr° you walling that they should be taken off in your absence: and In this case, who is the person von would appoint to represent you wish that the seals should be tattoo off as early as possible. I have no desire to be removed to Paris for that purpose, but to be repre sented by M. Villebois, who has consented to take wan hammy full powers, and M. flenHequin My counsel, or by one of them, if they are unable to be presenetogether. M. DE CHAN rELAUZE.—Ocr. 46. , At what period, 1 reVious to the formation of the Ministry of the Bth of August, were you apprised that it was to be formed immediately only learned it by the journals. (The mini. nant then denied having entered into any engagement with the King personally, or having prepared a plan for him to secure the majority in the then existing Chamber of Deputies in favour of the new Ministry, or of having drawn up for the King's use the plan of Reform attempted to be consummated on the 23th of July, i 830.) Had you net that plan and those ordinances in view when in the debate in the Chamber of Deputies on the last address, you called on the Government to make a monarchical bth of Sep. tember I—l have nireiuly replied to that question. As for the words five Septetnbre monarehique," which escaped me in the Muse of a long extemporaneous speech they had not the mean• ing attributed to them; and I immediately inserted an explana. Lion of them in the Constitutionnel, which was and appeared to be k,erfectly satisfactory. }rem the answer you have just given, we are to conclude that yob did not then think it possible to quit without danger the constitutional line of conduct laid down by the Charter had not at that time any thoughts of the measures adopted on the 96th of July, which, howeva, do not deviate from that constitu. Ronal line of conduct. At the termination of that Session did not M. de Polignac make you a formal offering of entering the administration, and did he not particularly dila' you the Department of Public in struction P Why did you reuse it P-1 did not know M. de Po. lignite, and 1 had quitted Paris at least a month before the ter mination of the Session. (The examinant, in answer to successive question,, dewed having at or about that time laid before the Xing, the Dauphin, M. de Polignae, or M. de Peyronnet, the details of the plan atom,' ed to be carried into execution on the :25th of July.) Did you not agree with M. de Peyronnet not to enter the Mi nistry without him P.—There was no agreement of the kind but at a later period ; in the month of May I did to a certain extent mac that a condition of my entering the Council. (The examinant, in answer to other questions denied that lie knew M. tie Polignac's intention ofdissolving the Chamber when he left Paris after the prorogation and consequently denied that be encouraged him in that design . At what period did M. de Polig nac apprise you of hit intention to call you to the administration of the Department of Justice and what answer did you =Achim P—The 15th or lath August I I was nominated Minister of Public Instruction ; I immediately expressed a wish to decline it, which was acceded to.. On the 20th April, in the following year, I received in> nomination as Keeper of the Seals. I expressed the greatest repugnance to accept this office. I urged all the considerations which appeared likely to relieve me flora my situation. Various circumstances, which It would be superfluous to detail, rendered it impossible for me to persist in this resolution. (the examinant, In answer to other questions, denied that he communicated to the Dauphin, at Grenoble, the plan of the ordinances of the 25th of ditty, or that M. do Polignac comma. Ideated to him, when he entered the Ministry, his intention of changing, by ordinance, the laws relating to election and the press. He also stated that the' only engagements by which he bound himself to M. de Polignac on entering office were those by which all Ministers who had been in power Mr the last 15 years, had. bound thenuelveit.) Wo find among the documents a memorial drawn up by M. Guernon de itanville, in December, l8t), in which he points out the danger of adopting any me sure in violation of the Charter, and in contempt of the oaths Which had beets taken. Have you any knowledge of this paper which was delivered by him to M. deyolignac P—No. Did M. lineman do Renville retain, after your entrance into the Council, the same opinions on the state of France,.the rights of the country, and the duties of Charles X. Y.—l must decline repeating any thing that passed in the privacy of the Council. Did you intend, when:you entered the Ministry on the likh of May, to preserve your fidelity to the Charter—to respect the laws of the country, and not to yield to any persuasions which might be employed to induce you to violate them 7—Neither I nor any one else had then any thoughts of the measures which were adopted on the 2Ath of 'July, which, however, I. cannot consider as a violation of the Charter. . _ Nevertheless, M. de Chabrol and M. de Courvoisler had re. tired, through tear of finding themselves obliged to take part lu such measures. When you were called to supersede them, did you not engage to be more flexible than they k—As the ordi nances were not then contemplated, lam the More unable to assign such a motive for their retirement. AI what - precise 'time 71ilyou come 'to the determination of assenting to the onlinancea P—A few days before that on which they are dated. On consenting to sign the ordinances, you must have been aware that the execution of them would give rise to resistance; as Minister of Justice, it was your duty, more than any other, to occupy yourself in considering what legal means could be adopted to overcome that resistance. What plan did you forne on that subject Phlone; no expectation was entertained of any material resistance, and as the execution of the ordinances was to be eticcted by the administrative authorities, I was not called upon as Minister of Justice to take any part in it. Since the ordinances might give rise to the seizure of private property, how could you suppose that their execution would be wholly administrative, and that no recourse would be had to the tribunals ?--Far from supposing it, the Ministry had a right to depend on the co-operation of all the authorities to save the Mo narchy from the dangers with which it was threatened. You should include the Tribunals among the authorities ; now, you were well aware,_ for you stated so in writing to M. de Po lignae on the 9th of May, that the -Tribunals would never lend themselves by the decrees to any extra-legal measures, What means did you then intend to make we of to supply their place ? --The pressure and authority of the Chambers would soon have put an end to the resistance which might have been met with in any judicial bodies. Did you not receive a formal &mind for the re-establishment of the Cour: Prevolates ?—No such question was even agitated in the Council. I do not know whether such a demand was net made by some public innetionaties ; but at any rate, it led to no result. Did you not depend on the military trundle's as substitutes for the Cours Pretax:ales Was it 14 with this view that y ou d e . termined in the Council, on the e 'deg of the 27th, to declare 'Paris in a state of siege Was not M. de Champagny sent for by M. de Polignite to the Tulle. les on the 26th for the plume., el organizing the Military Tribunals ?—1 do not know. Were not the forty.tive individeres whose arrest was ordered on the 27th, to have been tried by those tribunals P—No. As the first Maeistrate of the kingdom, you should have felt even more strongly than M. de rolignac the odious nature of a measure which removed the citizens from t he jurisdiet ion of their natural judges, depriving them of all their legal reliance on the protection of the administrative and judicial bodies. Did you Inoshocalct or In that e apr o ig e f i ?Di have eobletatdoyi said f u r to M ii de at examination that the measure was deliberated iii the ( . I )l i ' ine r ils and adopted without opposition. I cannot, however, coincide either with the cause or the effects which you attribute to it. As Minister of Justice, the legality both of measures them selves and of the mode of carrying them into chest, ought to occupy your attention more than that of any other mi n i s t er did you see that all the external forms necessary to publish and authenticate that ordinance in the legal manner W complied with P—lt was lint in my departMent to see to the publication of that Ordinitniz I had only to communicate it to the tribunals, being able to entirely and the rapid course ofevente preveuttal comply with that formality. It appears that the citizens were not warned to submit them selvisi to that ordinance by any placard (alli r so or proclamation ; how do you accun for that omission c.ii only giv e th e sante answer as to o the t preeeding questions, Was it you who ordered the Cour RoYeAe to repair to the lodgment by Tuileries P And wet it not the motive of th at order to prevent the Court its decrees, the c iti zens who had been stripped of their rights by th e new oidinanees t o b i e n r in c e 3 r n ce li , r o m or s n i t i g p tAertlodgment p ronounced by the i'ribunal du i The removal of the Court, which was order e d by the Chancellor, and not by me, could not have been with that object. 1 was even ignorant of the existence of the judgment you menti on (The examinm runnier, in answer to questione similar to theao "put to M. de Pey states that, having take* impart In lite mili tary operatitme, he knows nothing of whet orders were the Prefects res p ec ti n g summoning the p eople to disperse before force was resorted to, nor why, that term .lily was emitted if It were so.) given to When the Deputies of Paris came to the Marshal on Wishes. day, did M. de rolignac consult you on the answer to be given them ?—Attar the 27th there was no deliberation of the Council, and I wad not in any manner censured. Did M. de Polignac give you to understand that lie informed the King of the situation rif Paris ?—I believe that the hlarshal irrespouded tiottgilac also informedregular him of i ith ht.e King, anti I suppose M. de When, on Thursday morning, Made rolignac found himself so warmly pressed to Abandon iris administration and revoke the ordinances, when you yourself rereeivect there was no other course to be adopted, when you had, in -4C,f • • decided to go to Se Cloud, why did you not, before you left the Tuileries, declare your conviction by some document which might have the died ofputting an immediate atop to the disastrous events from which you were obliged to fly y—We went to St. Cloud on the morning of the 29tb, for the purpose of taking the orders of the King on this subject. is it not also to the influent* of the Council assembled before the King at St. Cloud, of which you formed a part, that is to be ascribed the delay in carrying into effect the resolution adopted in the morning, of changing the ministry and revoking the ordi nances ?—There was but one deliberation at St. Clots], at which all the ministers agreed oh the neceisitf Of at. entire change iii the Cohneil,—(The examihant was then interrogatel as to the connexion of, the ministry with the instigators of the tires in Normandy his ansWers perfectly agreed with the explanations made by his colleagues o, the same subject,—narnely, that they were in utter ignorance of the incendiaries, whom they had taken all mans, but ineffectually, to discover.) STATE OF THE COUNTRY. INCENDIARIES IN CUMBERLAND. (Vrotti the Carlisle Journal.) It is with the most painful feelings we have this week to announce the breaking out in this neighbourhood of that diabolical spirit of incendiarism which has excited so mach alarm in many of the southern counties. It has bees dis played, however, by a very different elves of persons to that to which it appears to be principally confined in the south—viz., the agricultural labourers. In this county that class is comparatively well off. Our peasantry (as it is now the fashion to cull thia class of persons) are there fore a quiet, and, generally speaking, contented race. Not the slightest idea is entertained that they had any hand in the destruction of property which we are about to de scribe. It has bean the work, we fear, of 'some portion of the manufacturing class; but fur what purpose it is diffi cult to conceive. On Tuesday night a little before nine o'clock, a fire was discovered in, a wheat-stack belonging to Mr. M'Cutcheon, situate in a field, a little above the new church in the Caldewgate, on the Wigton road, and within a quarter of a mile of the city. A fire engine was immediately procured, and a crowd of persons soon col lveted upon the spot. Attention was soon afterwards di rected to another fire, which was discovered in an opposite direction—bi a hay-stack belonging to Mr. Andrew, spirit merchant, situate at the Sheep Mount, in the Willow. Holme. Another fire-engine was procured at this place, and another crowd assembled round it. Within a few' yards of the wheat-stack already mentioned, were three other stacks of grain ; and . the file being on the wind ward side, it was feared for some time that the whole would be set fire to, and doubtless that had been the in tention of the incendiary. By the assistance of the police, and past of the crowd, ' the stack nearest to the one on fire was speedily taken down and re moved ; and wee tarpaulings were thrown over the other two, which saved them. The feeling exhibited by a con siderable portion of the crated was certainly that of ex ultation, and they not only refused to assist in extinguish ing the flames, but were active in preventing others front twisting. The buckets were taken from those carrying water, and tossed into the flames, amidst considerable cheerio.; ; the pipes of the fi re-engines were cut in six place*, and a police-officer, of the name of Bowman, who was standing on the engine, directing the pipe upon the stacks not on fire, was knocked down by a stone, which struck him on the forehead, and inflicted a severe, though not a dangerous, wound ! When the flames appeared to got low, the embers were stirred up with sticks, and as the fire brightened up a part of the crowd cheered ! The fire continued to burn the whale night, and the stack, which might be worth about fifty pounds, was entirely consumed. In one part of the crowd we heard the ex pression, " This will teach them to make Corn Laws ;" in another, " This will enlighten the boroughmongers." At the fire in the 'Willow Holme the crowd wan not so great in the nay part of the night; but between eleven and twelve o'clock there was a considerable accession of numbers. The police-officers, and some of the persons assembled, had wurkeel the fire-engines with considerable effect, but when the crowd became numerous, the persons employed were obstructed in their work, avid ulti mately driven off; and the burning. parts which hail been removed, were again thrown upon and around the stack, and the fire, which bail been partially ex. tinguished, was thus re-lighted. It continued .to burn the whole of the night, although there was a heavy fall of rain; and next day a part of it was saved. While workmen were removing the unburned part on. Wednes day, a crowd again assembled, and first annoyed them, and finally drove them cif. It was a very large stack of old hay, of an inferior quality. The loss is estimated at about 501. Whilst these alarming scenes were going on, not a single Magistrate capable of acting could be found iu the city. The Mayor is n on-resident—the senior Al derman is old and infirm—and the only other Magistrate in the city (Dr. Heysham) is ao infirm by age, that it would have been the height of cruelty to ask him to go out on such a night. To such a state has Lord Lone dale's system of promoting to the Bench only political supporters and hangers on redutted us. The Lord Chan cellor has read him a le'son that he will not, happily, dare to overlook. His superior has given the order, and he must now obey. On Wednesday there was a meeting of some of the county Magistrate", to consider what steps should be taken. We.have not heard the result of their deliberations; but as a band-bill was issued on Thursday morning, we presume it ein:stsetes from them. We understand that threats have been held out against one or two other persous in Ibis neighlrourhood—amongm others against Wm. Tharnirt, Esq., of Thrwkwood-nook. It is kisely eller d that he has advised the farmers in t hir county to hold back their produce from the markets; and for 0:6 presumed fault his stacks are threatened to be de stroyed. • The following is a copy of a written hand-bill which has been posted in Caldewgate " 1,0001. Reward. " For the apprehension of Borough-mongers, Stock jobbers, Tax-eaters, Monopolisers, Special Constables, and the extinguishers of freedosn.—ldy order of the Swing Union." TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. Stn,•—As a constant reader, and occasional correspon dent, I need hardly add, an admirer of The Sun, allow me to call your attention; at this crisis, to the slavish situation of Scotland. To you, who know the actual state of the Scottish representation, it is needless to enter upon the subject at large; but I trust you will find room to insert the annexed letter to Earl Grey in your first number, and thereby oblige Your most obedient servant, N.B. I have suppressed the nanie of the burgh in the fidlowing letter, on accuunt of local influence—that bane of Scotland. TO THE RICHT 110'N. EARL mgr. MY LORD.—Now that your Lordship fills the situation for which your eminent abilities, and still more, • your liberal and unflinching principles of independence, to nobly entitle you, allow an humble individual, a Scots man, to lay before your Lordship a brief sketch of the burgh in which lee lives,—rand which sketch, humiliating as it is, he nevertheless feels confident will apply to many other burghs, as well as the one be alludes to, in this division of the United Kingdom. I am well aware that any thing that I can state must have but little weight with your Lordship; hut when consider that, as an Englishman, your Lordship ran have no idea of the universal degradation in which Scotland lays, I kel it a duty inpumbent upon me to 'tett! the truth, without concealment or embellishment, in order that in your Lordship's proposed Reform of the commons House of Parliament, you may keep in view the changei abso lutely requisite in Scotland, so as to prevent its being a clog to your Lordship's plans fur the salvation of your country. In the remarks and statements I am about to snake, I beg to remark that I intend considering the burgh as it was, immediately previous to the last (so whammed) eke don of Magistrates, at the term of Michaelmas. The burgh was then governed by a provost, three wil e s, dean of guild, treasurer, eleven councillors, and , ow n.elerk, in all eighteen individuals ; of these two boi, e , the dean of guild, treasurer, one councillor, and town.clerk, ree'de within the burgh; the other bailise, and one councillor, at distance from town, but within the pariah; the remaining nine councillors are scattered over the kingdom, some in one county, some in another, but not on e of them connected, in so far ca property iM con• corned, either with the burgh, or county in which it is situated. The provost, and indeed ell ►yho have tilled the civic chair, for some thirty years past, resides another couo ty, hos no property within the burgh, and never looks near it, except to attend a meeting of his council, for po. litical purposes of his own,. in which the inhabitants have no more interest than those of the South Sea I.lands. Of this council most have retained their emits for 10,1/5, or 20 yea rs; In fact, they are as immoveable an•l unalterable , t h e laws of the Illedes and Persians no changes take p l ac e, except when death causes a vacancy. The provostehip is changed every two years, and has been for the last twenty vested exclusively betwixt the p a tron (as be is called) of the bu r gh, his brother, and brother-in•law. The parties are yet complete fixtures, one has filled his situation fur 14, another for above 20 years, and the other considerably longer than that period. D ur i n g - this - long reign, what has been done for this burgh ? Nothing, absolutely nothing ! except damping public enterprise, whenever it attempted to rear its bead; hut thee, my Lord, it would be the height of injustice not to acknowledge, that during that time sundry appoint ment% such as cadet - ship - a to India, and commissions in his Majesty's service, have been obtained by bailies, council lors, and town-clerks, for their families ; and no doubt, in due time, the young gentlemen will return from the East to fill the shoes of their worthy predecessors in the Coun cil and magistracy of the burgh-. Your Lordship may perhaps think it but reasonable that I should state how the inhabitants at large have got on during this long period of patronage to their rulers? The reply is short—they have been neglected in every point—their own and public money granted by Govern ment for public purposes, squandered and thrown away—the revenue of the burgh rigorously exacted, hut never accounted for—the landed property belonging to the burgh either sold, and the proceeds unaccounted for, or quietly resigned to neighbouring proprietors, without value or acknowledgment. Under such a system of misrule, your Lordship may perhaps be inclined to ask, has then the patron of the burgh reaped the sole benefit of all these spoli,tions ? I am inclined to say no—or at all events, only in part ; and my reasons for thinking so will he best explained to your Lordship by shortly mentioning the few changes that have taken place in the burgh council fur the last W years. In 1811 or 1812 the town-clerk was displaced for drunkenness, his books and papers seized by the then chief bailie—what deficiency may then have occurred the public never heard—hut soon after the treasurer was removed in a similar summary manner, leaving a sum owing the burgh of about 1001. A new treasurer was then ap pointed, who was in like manner removed, in course of a few years, with a similar arrears—and in 1816, the chief bailie's mercantile affairs having fallen into confusion, he was in like manner sent to the right about. His trustee, one of his brother councillors, gave in a claim against hi. estate for 1000/, but such was the admirable clearness of the burgh hooks, that he at once agreed to restrict his claim to 1001. ! thus at once yielding up nine-tenths of the whole claim In 1825 the town-clerk was dismissed, and another heavy loss sustained—but having been care fully concealed, the particulars have never come before the public. Now, my Lord, I trust I have, stated facts enough to prove the necessity of reform in this burgh ; what reform that should be it is not for me to poiut out, but if the welfare of the town ba at all considered, the first and chief reform must be, -- the removal of in irre sppusible magistracy and council, and the vesting the euttnagement of their own affairs in the hands of the intuit.' bitants themselves. What share of the r epresentation, should be allotted to the burgesses or in what manner arranged, I leave to youi Lordship, fully and confidently trusting that your Lordship will take such measurva as wid he most fur the advantage of the empire generally, and of Scotland in particular. I have the honour to be, my Lord, Your Lordship's most obedient and devoted admirer, N—, Nov. 30, 1830. VEItAX. TO TILE EDITOR OF THE TIMES. Knltcsbritige. Sin,—ln our 'louse close by barricks I sees the Times and Arieerticer, and I am sorry you forget us soljers more than the other papers. Our officers seem to stile to " flogging for ever," but we are coming to a oonclushun, and will not stand it much longer. We have eyes to sec how things are going, and have made up our minds, if much more flogging comes into this quer ! ter. Pray speke for us, and you may percent much mischief...! Sir, lam your servant, A HIGHLAND LAD. •. 0 We give this letter precisely as we received it. It may be a hoax : it may, however, mean all it says.-7Veses. TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. Sin,—ln The Sun of Saturday you published a communication from your Cambridge Correspondent, which stated that there had been a fire in that neighbourhood as eztensioe as the fire at Nottingham ;" this was read to a numerous respectable com pany the following evening, at whose request I write to assure you, that up to the time you published Saturday's paper there had been nojire, either by accident or otherwise, neither in the town nor county of Nottingham. We sincerely wish other state ments were equally unfounded, and respectfully request that you will take an early opportunity to remove the wrong impres. Aim thus conveyed to your readers, and you will greatly oblige your humble servants, &c. (Signed for the company.) Jingle Horn, Nottingham, Dec. B. • G. W. RE FORM MEETINGS. EDINBURGH. (From the Second Edition of the dinburgh Ewan; Courant of Saturday.) This day, the much talked-of public meeting for the purpose of considering of. the propriety of petitioning Parliament for an extension of the Elective Franchise in the counties and burghs of Scotland, was held in the As sembly-rooms, George -street. The desire to obtain ad mission was so great, that long btfore the time the doors were appointed to he opened they were besieged by crowds. By one o'clock, when the chair was taken, the great room wa. filled. Mr. J. CRAIG rose—Gentlemen, the Committee have done me the honour of requesting me to propose a Chair. man to preside at this most respectable meeting. I know no one who surpasses, scarcely any who equals, in what I conceive to be the qualities required in a chairman of such a meeting, your old and tried friend, Mr. Gibson Craig.— (Loud and continued applause.) Mr. J. Gtusnx Cicala took the Chair amidst loud cheers. Mr. J. A. Aluattays--1 appear before you as one of 190 requisitionists, and Address a room as full as it can contain, and if its limits were snore spacious a still greater number of the citizens of Edinburgh would have as sembled on this occasion. We have all cane to consider this question alone, free from any detail, whether there ought to be any Reform in the Parliamentary representa tion of this country, and whether the elective franchise in Scotland ought to be extended. When I stated that we are 190 in number, 1 may also add that there is another person whose name I do nut observe at the requisition, ut who I consider as powerfully co-operating in calling upon you to give this expression of your sentiments--a person whom I consider as virtually a requisitionist in the same manner as he is virtually your representative-- because we have been told by the Right Hon. William Dundas---(Applause mixed with hisses)-1 pledge mys e lf, when I mention his name to the gentlemen, who seem unwilling that it should be alluded to at all, that if in any thing I say they can detect one word of personal feeling or unfair statement, I shall stand corrected to those who think At before they hear me (they are but few in number) to express their disapprobation. --(Applause. )--I gays but I say it without any reflection against that Right lion. Gentleman ; on the contrary, I think it as much to his praise as any thing which his friends can enumerate, that he is the person who, even more than the 190 requisitionists, has contributed to the calling of this assembly. lie said that we bad no desire for a Reform in the Representation, from the circumstance of our not having presented any petitions to Parliament. lie had a right to do so, and every man here has a right to do so ; and, above all, he, as our representative, was entitled to say as he has said—l presume most fairly. Its may not have been sufficiently informed that there was any disposition in:favour of Reform in Scotland. I do not say this rashly, for I have lward no person deny a letter that has appeared in the public newsa papers, in which he states that he has had no communica thins on the subject, and that he was not aware that there .vll3 any wish in Sedtland for Reform in Parliament. He says, " Why did I say so? Because, with the exception sit the petition from Edinburgh four years ago, I have no evidence of the wish of Scot'and being for Reform. The debate on that petition ended in a division of 125 to 93-- no great majority. Next years, 28, 29, 30, not a word from Scotland." I am not, therefore, and 1 call upon those gentlemen who expresses' their. disapprobation, to say on what grounds I um unduly, or any more than necessarily, calling your attention to our Represents tive in Parliament, as making by the letter which ha« been published, this meeting absolutely necessary. He says that there is no proof that we think any alteration in the representation required. We are told that without that manifestation of your opinion, even your representa tive is not aware of your wish. Is it not therefore our duty, and are we not called upon to express our wish when urged by a person who lots an undoubted right to make that appeal to us ? I am sure there is nothing more logi cal than that if there is nu wish tor an extension of the elective franchise, and if no persons are (hymnal to petition Parliament to obtain it, there is no reason why Reform should be forced upon the people of this country. We live in times when no man is to be brow-brat and kept down for his opinions, and the greatest friend of absolute power, the greatest Tory, the greatest lover of abuse, may as freely us others utter any opinion which he may enter tain. I am aware that some excellent individuals have adopted a different line of conduct, and I cannot speak of them with too much respect, both from their station in society and from the motives by which they are actuated. They think that as this question hiss been taken up by leis Majesty's Government it is unnecessary to express any opinion, or t o b o ld an y meetings on the subject. I observe, from the answer made by the Lord Provost to the resins • aition, that this is his opinion. lie has stated it with great respect and kindness to his fellow-citieena, and h e is entitled to the same respect and kindness from us. Ile there says, " I have been at all times anxious to meet the wishes •of my fellow•citiaens, but as Governmen t pledged to do all I shall not at resent i il nt r e t re, and l f:r 6itevn cline the honour of receiving the deputation ." flit dia• t th h e is re i f in or peortlant must s übie il: e t jetty's Ministers, no doubt, intend to grant a Reform in Parliament, but I do not think a mere arquiesceuet in these intentions sufficient; more especially when it is stoed, from the highest authority, that there is no Leith for Parliamentary Reform in Scotland. We are bound to inquire what is the franchise possessed by Scotland —tha t are ill advantages, or I should say, what are its disadvantages, for unless an establithinent his treat dial vantages I admit they are entitled to retain their place till those who oppose them show good grounds for altering them. !sow the first point we naturally come to it, what are we to do, the inhabitants of_ths city of Edinburgh-- what is the condition of our own city? That is an invai out proposing Ligation that requires above every other point our moit serious consideration. I would be glad of sonw ene, whet ever his political *pinions may be, who would point out some test by wbidh the advantages and ditadvantages of such political institutions might be duly estimated. WA smpoesettiveconsaudmhemreantets one of my own, I would submit one from should m lso fb eth freely e peoplel ) I either of those which were proposed by two of the most distinguished statesmen and politicians of their time, who divided the country by their II I allude to Mr. Pitt and Mr. Fox. Jr. Pitt'. th ii , l a l t 7 w 9 h i i , ch rt i a ) te ro i o l ;tett into statesmen and tet niwvpihti activity the 'England'' gho w lera e fgr r i drt e :tte r e ilasedt e n k tnl o put n i mi. e o ‘olbli oe ervi t e d h oa e .of testa a popular Parliament Was, that the representatives the most perfect sympathy. His great rival, Mr. For, el elected, eahnoduldt that the bet w e " ! os n ettiril and thet d independent voters, and that' the most defective was that which 'brought forward persons w hose situation. takes front them the power of deliberetion. There tests (knot mate rially diner; but I think that t he one brought forward by Mr. Fox was more distinct and m ore clear. Let al try the present state of our represe ntation by Take this city first, because we are moot interetted in it, And becau'e it is the metropolis of Scotland. flow many voters have we? and are they bra-wilt into union and sympathy with their represenittive? Ia all they amount exactly to 33 persons. Is that what ought to be, or does it answer the idea i.f the electors of it great city ; rho in habitants of which are distinguished by much intllor!' seal, and public spirit in regard t o the well'trV of diort country? Now in what wey do those electors arrive that station. There are fool-teen incorporation', whoo;s Out' Right . •a very complicated form Chow six pereaa , , vll ` cts ",„ " : cu t Holt- RepresentatiVe are sent up to 'the Town. Diana and fleas ago these tests. down to three, and out olthese three o ne 0 ' that -On this important„question of Reform, which hasn't:it° , d country from out end to the other--which has destroyt. the popularity of a great Minister, at Irma whatever l'°. polarity be possessaf—he has not bad It tingle communi • suthentx, cation from his constituents. If this irt! * :, is ),,, y" I which is addressed to 31r. Hendentri_trt,"a6rsin","" f:i'lle has pollard is... the have no evidence of the wish of WO' -'be 1° not furor."---So that even with his SA electors, A ? e rtoo close union and s ympathy.—(Grea t laughter.) hr b e Kowa who lived in Highgaie or Ilamptte,'l ""g — i , Y re e. Ole as cinch of the condition of the town of l'A iadt or dins.Y4 ignorance of our Representative is certainly e xtr . a _ ev _ an 1 is contrary to any triton of opreseuttuon l_•,,e' heard of before. It reminds nu of ilie theoryt3oolo' fur heathen Veilosophers, when they wisbel to acc 0 , 0 Jupiter not taking an active share in what hape :, s' mortals. .. Oh, (said they,) he is living at his eas e; e. .. ht a is enjoying . himself on . Olympus ; he 'aver cotheir"dis. happens to mortal men; be is not subject i r °r awly eases—lie is not moved by their carte And e a rth othter ) it appears that our Edinburgh Jupiter...4.° Is no hie --lives very much in the same condition. Ile ': poet Mount his , nnbody disturhing him, voreven toot ii , ere° and the Deacons. Now I ask, is that a fair r .. in, / tatiou.' Is he a Repreeentative; he is, for ti . rY, ta . S o can tee, self-elected.. lam surely mistaken sr, `.`,` b i g , not elect his electors, and they in •return ele:t`topo If this is the condition of this great cityt the a t , s , B ore of the country, the only city , who hao ° ll ` o w sentative, I pray you to consider what is to . ally of the other burghs. They do not get a full bb are 4 4 , o r have not a whole Jupiter ; they only g e ts q!'' . , i 4 a a 11414 and they are equally limited. • Fin, ta70,100; Town Council, consisting of thirty-010; Isoole til ?. 0 f ah they choote only a delegate, and they do not come al l . ~,t io, clove union with their representative as tse city ; 14 '1 0 burgh. (• laugh.) They 'clams* a person whip 3 :7 , _ re . the head burgh, and lie, a l ong wi th others, elects .011.0, sentitive, so that the greatest number who oar i 0 c o n. tact with him amounts to four or fi ve. :lir. MO: ‘ ..,7 10 _ stated that this sem the aituaiinn of tin, ertatoeity ...._oos gory, of Aberdeen, Dundee, Perth+ sod Il its Brest,eJ_er and to which Scotland owes its importance and i va i ni t la. solutions Of the 0 he alluded with satisfaction to the re übli.bod gittrates and Town Council of Glogow, p 0, • tting forth the defective s tate _t: newspaper of that city, ire ; 0 the necessity a Rrf o the representation, anti declar."-, , t 1 w hich scot- Mr. Murray also expatiated on the sd van h ag , je t r ig i seo _., oo liind would derive from an on in te p r _. tr . : i d of Edinburgh. I' valiant help quotisg.what 16Mor.a.k,al___„,„ relative to the Scotch ev e r of en a me .. hi f i t. ° s - ,1 sloe. it is true in every tents - of the wo:af e t s,:7_ lo , when we lonk to the kingdom of Seafood i ( s: Aaoeridi:'oo, of the repretentetion to monsireUslY el'or rd, neloa4 and revolting, that it is, good for nothing, ter r o ovr, per to be placed hy the aide of England ,in ord o i t, , _ . ',, i ow ; defietive system by Is tiimpariiion with av It te!,,r,_ol: 06 defective. In referent's to Polatnentary I,4eo.:".o'„npa; North said, .. What ! can you contend the peipoiefoi her after the declarstiou in its favour that t e . ,Y fe o 11, mate by their choice of representativewto l e ' `4orit:: election is the proof that the warn madeontinues D . )11., It t the reople of England.", h aswer _ ol l 'l l6 i, t , e was--.. Yon see that so defective, so lu ri d e. ,... 1 , ot 7 present practice, 8t least of the elective ft? .01r,:r pijoi ; impression of national calamity, no ounrlr t! a ;11 o faciee. krill error, no ahhorrerce of disastrous tear s , ~,,,,d i oere to stand against the corrupt inffuence ,Ibis I,rlf" user 1. which does not represent the people. 1 1, *t aint , a __,,, t put an test to ; but whit will proteet Yumoc-"ro 00 1 % •be W itt deed the other? ? The same *plat, and t - . 0 ,,,, s :.,_ which, under • a Meows repressatitio!,!, 'l',oooo ca l ' ' present war, Will give rise to new woe, olive 0010.10 initial." I trust that, though the el oo . l °, l , he prOte C _ t ur hover over the Continent, this country to' " i • f‘ f 10 a d be 13 be klo ol from that danger--e danger that woul 0 _ ot the hopes, as the civil institutions of the c d o o ,: r T o d that, to improved .in time of war. • I have heard it soupte:st expense of one of our just and tweel"eri W ar y w e We , g) .„. about 1001. per niinute ; and, thereforetiorroseadarleeg war, the expense o f t h e oun tey woold ! oo o py ,sing the short time of our deliberations Ine'r e ge f o rto 0, 1 , 1 fr o that could be produced by any OA"' °f will "Ma' Ti" discussing. 1 Sincerely trust Our cOuntllto Befall), squire from that danger and great inipedinlet cou ntry i. 1::, : he present question is simply—..does l'ontoifon! 'Teo, Iteform; ought it to have a better ~,,r c r fti tell'i ' d witb lit 0/ exercise of the elective franchise a- --t %on t° ad,,, upoo fits? And lam as Unwilling its .1 4 - so ea — t thing wrong • but 1 a kit the Is‘ in nay native county 1 sote w- I, 4 pro by an imperious tease of duty, (roll . I° .sentati aa 'i ll to l a has been—that the stoats of the reist4"- 110 4- f ducal ~ If 4 64 • otiort a demoralization of the C 0111W L: btoeg l i ' Pr 1116 satisfy rational awl, ihinking me° "" the PO ' abetter fairly and iin 'if • h vi ses 4 0 iin pirtit y, with a . l a ce op country, the:.kingelorn a Scotland will be P., I c le Orel situation than it ever stood befor,r:„yed -- e tle', l ,' which continued for tome tiine.)--Ite Ze",,tiond. la ' to Ir e ', “ That the syst of Representation in o ie of cetr,, the uric', both in Burghs and in Airco, on the Prtuc,r„ersontirla ePon; elective franchiseon a rimy small number °' 'it, prsF, ,ut,,, of , exclusion of the public; and is vacillated, 1110,0,010.",',o40 to corrupt the constituents, to impsit. _ k tbe.,,,,,,,i of th°' representatives, and to weal en the at te....;rop ~ „op the Government and Constitution of the 0 9 rcho t taitOr r , 31r. Amos _.43r.acm, Master of 11 " 114 ,,, e „ w ool 01 ,, ftlIr t io iu rising to second the resolution, ssio• w" ionc e vat",, eentation in Scotland i; so utterlY at var . ly or ' a oviou° e re .pit it of the British Constitution, and so t i n re SI , 1 o reel ea 0 taint to the dictate* of coalmen sena, tblt_ilurdily et, _ n o waste of winds to attempt to expose. th e _f t , i on ire detail ; one only wonders this wretcheo - Y i , eoeste,, litre found abetters end supporter* for so Matt t i , o a t _;,,, Is it mit - WI tine u it illuminating to Seoul for 50S, Scotch Members Ate a proved' will a b y I!,°___,, 0.10.:;74 vieney, even to the most profligate. ItlinTre,t7 lop.; scantly look to this steady phalanx Or S u o d eb r . . n g home - OO aid in their crusades sgainst liberty at - ~,, l on _ o „y in the'r perpetrating of every job, and in t u l n c_ tit , 0 0 0 , 4 , of every abuse? It is fortunate that dot i l it y, 10 en 1 0 / 0 , which these charges may be substantiite4 ; the P lat q ul td the pultlithed lists of every division 0 „ _ 4 .00 0 ,0,0 lions decided in Parliament —see how t0e7, 0 0. ~, ae the pernicious working of the presets!, "i i i o w 4 1 ,.„ o f supported the Bathurst and Dundas job ~.y e „ i 05t 1 7,3 Scottish Memberi vote in the last deciat . whets .000 the Civil List?--({scar.) We find th d ; r ore t , 41°,0 , for a taro and long-continued expen.! .00010_10e inquiry, and only oven for inquiry an d , t bc P ro , Ti this a sts'e of things to continue ? ) ,p ie esl' ot ,o soire has decided the question of Ref" 111: I c e 0 1. ii r their e e r 4 sion of hostility to it has Immo irons ~,d o ev i v of the matt powerful Ministrica that 1311:001_1°,403. while the force of public opinion has 61 50 ,1 of highestdignities the frien d * df freed ora obiL 01100" 'Th e ir country hails with g lad anticipati on* 4