The Sun. — London, England, 1833-03-26 00:00:00

• NAvAT, IN.TELLIGF,NCE. I'nkTSSIOUTEI ' X . CH 2i.—lt i. unquestionlble that kord Rilmerston has received an owrland despatch from 'the Thais!' Consul, and from Captain Glasenck at Oporto. It gives information that on the 4th, several vessels landed their cargoes of men and succours for Don Pedro. Ge• neral Solignac having, by a well-planned sortie, corn plet. iy opened the communication between Oporto and the beach to tl.e north of the Bar, overcoming every opposi tiart lin the part of Don Miguel. 600 of whose men were WT. de id on the fie subsequent to which, immense `supplies of provisions and materiel were landed for the Pedt oites. ... The Pantaloon, Lieutenant Dacres, arrived at Plymouth onWelnesday evening, from Lisbon, last from Falmouth, where she landed the mail. Left Lisbon the 3d inst. and spoke the Druid frigate, off Oporto, on the 4th, but brought no mails from that city. Don Pedro was a ill at Oporto ; and they heard a goo d d ea l o f fi r i ng w hil st o ff there, but did not communicate with the shore. L-ft at Lisbon, B ,. ritaania, Cal e doni a , an d R aven ; o ff Op utto, Druid, Nimrod, and Levert; in the Douro, Orestert, Etna, and Echo. The S-. Vincent was at Vian, sari, re Admiral Sartorius w as ge tti ng on b oar d 500 - bithocks for Oporto. The Madagascar frigate, Captain Lyons, C. 8., with his Maksty King 0 ho on bo iid, arrived at Napoli on the aLli January, accompani , d by the Russian frigate Anna, and the French corvette Cornelia, and 35 tran sports with Bavarian troops en board. On ihe passage from Trieste, the Secretary of the young King fell over board, and would have been drowned, but for the prompt ne,s with which a seamen, named George Woit, a native tot Portsmouth, jumped into the water and held bins up until the ship was brought to, and a boat sent to pick them up. The young King was highly pleased with the seaman's gallantry, and taking a gold watch from his own neck, gave it to the man as an earnest of his favour, and promised to write to the King of Bavaria (his father) to Ft tilt a pension for lite on him. The Dutch ship Pi ince of Orange, 850 ton., 10 eons, and 40 torn, from Batavia, hound to Rotterdam, with a valnahle cargo of spices, coffee, sugar, pepper, B.ce.. was de tained off Beat-hey Head on the afternoon of Sunday last, by his Majesty's revenue cruiser Stork, Lieut. W. Lacy, R.N., Commander, and brought into Spithead on the Mon day. The ship on her voyage spoke eleven ships, seven of which were English, one American, one French, one Ham turg, and one Hanoverian. This is a proof, at least, that if little it doing in the shipping trade, we have our pro portion of that little,. The Curacoa frigate, Captain Dunn, was at Batavia oo the l.t of Nov., when this ship sailed, Lieut. Denham, R.N., having completed the Admi ralty survey of the British Channel, that officer and hi. assistants. Lieut. C. G. Robinson and Mr. E. J. Bedfimh, 3,ave proceeded to Liverpool to carry into effect a similar survey of that important sea-port, in connection with their ultimate operations in the St. George's Channel.— Lieut. Beattie, commanding the Swallow revenue cut ter, has this week made a seizure of 68 casks of foreign spirits, and deposited them in his Majesty's Custom-house at Weymouth. A new set of Naval Instructions has been issued this week from the Admiralty ; the alterations are but few. The most. mat rill are, that Captains are relieved from th responsibility of the Pursers' accounts; 'Mates are to take the seniority of Second Maters; the Masters are no longer to have charge of the Warrant Officers' stores, and will Consequently lose the gratui-y lately given to them for this re •nonsibility; thsy are only to superintend and see that the B„ . :-tswains, &c., Lep accounts. C trains will have to grar 7t 48 hours leave of absence instead of 24, as h mt , o are, and Flag Officers may grant six weeks leave in one year. PROMOTIONS AND A PrOINTMCNTS.-Commander C. Canby, Lieutentres Michael Dwyer and W. E. Fitt, to the Ordinary in Portsmouth Harbour; Commander S. Smyth, to the CO ist Guard Service; Lieut. J. Helby, to the Hound revenue cutter ; llr. Brenton, Clerk to sir H. HOthain, to be Purser of the Raleigh ; Mr. G. Wall: r, p u ,s,e, to the Alfred ; Mr, T. Tilby, Purser, to t. eMa tiaga,car ; Mr. E. T. Herrie4, Midshipman, to be Lieu. ; Mr. Johnstone, Clerk, to be Purser of the Curlew, vice Thorne, t) the Talbot; Mr. A. Stuart, Assistant- Surgeon, the Salarnand , r; Mr, Joseph Peter, Assistant- Surg.on, to the Rhadantaittius; Mr. Janes D .novas, Assistant-Surgeon, to the Brittimart ; Mr. W. I-I Dix, Master's Assistant of the Melville, to he Second Master of the same ship, vie , Taylor, to he Master of the Wolf. (From the Devonport Telegraph.) The Warapite has received orders to be paid off into !ir• Binary, and not for recoeuniasioning, those orders having been cancelled. The preventive boat, at Mevagissy, was upset on Thursday, when two of the crew were unfortunately drowned. The chief officer, Lieut. Best, and one of the crew, after being in the water nearly an hour, were hap pily resealed. Reinainieg in fiamoaze—San Josef, Rhadamanthus and Carron ateattiers, Britornart, Pike, anti Swallow packets, Maitland and Amphitrite transports. At the Bland—Pantaloon render. . A n idle rumour i s circulation that the pre sent les*,:f of Drut y-lane theatre is r amend ,- d,by a clause in the will of his recently deceased parent, to retire from the management of that th *tie at the end of the present eeason, when, ity the terms of the lease, he has the power to do so. A cetreepoodent notices the report, merely to give it a decided negative. We believe we may with confidence announce the following to be an outline of the measure which his Alsjesty's Mini-ter* will shorty introduce in respect ti. the Enelsh Church establishment. The revenues of the Bishops are to be equalised. All pluralities are to be tli•ctually thine away with. Tithes are to be commuted. A number of trifling livings are to be consolidated, of which description it is said there are no less th in thirty In the City of London. The deaneries and chapters yet remain to be decided upon. The Church property in this country has b-en found to be enormously overrated, and the report of the ecclesiastical commission, which will shortly he laid before both Houses of Parliament, is most full and complete on this head.—... The Town. We deeply lament to have to notice a melan choly event which occurred at Dumbleton, yesterday se'nnight. The villaeers had aseembled to testily their joy at the celebration of a marriage at the parish church that morning, and a small cannon had been provided by them wherewith to annoance the conclusion of the nuptials to the country around. Accordingly, at the moment of the bride and bridegroom quitting the sacred edifice. an old sailor, who had undertaken to officiate as gunner upon the occasion, applied the match to the touch-hole, when, sad to say, the piece immediately burst, killing the poor fel ltow upon the spot, and wounding several others, one to Snell an extent as to cause fears for his recovery. It ap pears that the unfortunate man who lost his life had been asoonislied to be careful with the cannon, and the quan tity et powder explained to him that it would carry with safety; this caution he appe ars, however, to hare fatally disregarded, as it was afterwards ascertained that he had used three times as much powder in the charge as he ought to have done.— Worcester Herald. SHOCKING EFFECT OF SEIZING FOR RANT.—On Saturday afternoon an inquest was held at the Middlesex -hospital, on view of the hotly of a fine boy, about three years and a half old, named THOMAS GILLI - This was a very lamentable case. The deceased was the sou of an industrious couple in Lascelle's court, St. Giles'''. On Thursday the mother went out only for about five minutes, to purchase tea and sugar for her hus band's meal, he being out at work, and on her return ahe found the poor child stretched on the floor, the clothes nearly burnt off, and he screaming piteously for help. He had fallen immediately under a chair in which another child, three years anti a half old, was sitting, but provi dentially the flames had not reached its clothes. The de cease 1 died soon after b-ing taken to the hospital. Ths CoaciNica (to the mother)—How do you account for the accident? Mrs. GILLIVAN—Why, Sir; we had been seised upon for rent, and every thing waa taken away ex cept a chair or two ; and the fender being taken amongst the rest, a cinder rolled on the floor and caught my poor boy's berigown, for he heti nothing else on hint. I found the cinder still burning on the boards. He was fearful of Ore, and would never go very near to it. Verdict—Ac eidental Death. [Hoinanity anal policy ;Pggetit some mitigation of the law which warrants executions. It should not extend to bedding, or to such trivial articles Ifurniture, which being seized, thrust thousandi on the p o or -rates against their wish, earl, in this case; indirectly caused murder.] EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCE..—..-A re ,epectable man, living a few miles from this city, who was summoned to attend the late assizes at Kilkenny, was waited upon by a chief of police, who asked him whether be wis not summoned on the petty it/ties; to which the otter replied in the affirmative. " Are you not afraid ?" said tie functionary, " Afraid of what?* was the reply. 41 Wh y , afraid of the Whitefe-t." " Not in the least," re. joined the other. "Because" said the chief of police, drawing a paper from his pocket, "if you are in the slightest degree aft aid to attend, you have only to sign this paper, and I will insure your not being fined for non-at tendance! II" We stall not weaken this plain statement of facts, by any lengthened comment of our own, but we may just add, that we are in,posse-sion of tie names of all the Fully; alluded to.— Waterford Chronicle. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE ('F LORDS ; MARCH 2b. On the Loan CHANCELLOR, taking his seat on the Wookack t five o'clock, Mr. BERNAL, and other Mem bPrs of the House of Commons, brought up some private Bills. Lord KING presented a petition from the parishes of St. Michael and St. James, Dublin, against the Irish Coercive Bills ; a petition from Monmouth aLainst sla— very ; and petitions from several tlaces praying f r the better os•servance of the Sabbath, and the abolition of tithes and chu ch cess. The Duke of MONTROSE presented a petition, pray. ing for the abolition of tithee. The Duke of NEWCASTLE and Lord SUFFIELD present- d petitions, praying for the better obbervance of the Sahhath. Lord WYNFORD presented a petition signed by 215 manufacturers of Gbisgow, in favour of the Factory Bill. The Bishop of LINCOLN presented petitions Paving for the better observsnee of the Sthbath, from Welch poiil, the parish of St. Mary, Leicester, and other pa rishes in the counties of Montgomery and Leicester. The Duke of CLEVELAND presented a petition from a parish in Durham, praying for the abolition of negro slavery. The Earl of RODEN presented a petition from Dundalk, to the like effect. Also a peti inn, to which he wished to call the particular attention of the House from Elphin, in the county It's. cotnmon, prayine their Lordships not to deprive th m of their Bishop. It w.s signed by both Cltholics and P.otestants. It rated the great advantages the town derived from the residence of their Bishop among them, especially as in that part of the coun try there were hardly any resident gen.lemen. Toe present Bishop commanded the respect and love of all that knew him and there was no one who had conferred such great hen• fits upon that part of the country. Their Lordships must look upon this petition as t . , e real and sincere opinion of the inhabitants of that part of the country, both Catholics and Pro•rstants. From late events opinions prevailed not only in Ire'and, hut in En!land and Sco!land, regretting the steps the present Government had take❑ respecting the Irish education system. The Noble Lord also pre sented a petition from the diocese of Cashel, i❑ the county of Tipperary to the same effect.— Also petitions front parishes in the county of Down, pray inz that they might not be affected by the Irish Church Bill. Lord ROSLYN presented a petition from a parish in Fife, (o2ainpo negro slavery. Earl FITZWILLIANI moved for a list of the counties, deaneries, &c., affected by the Irish Church Bill. The Marquis of WESTMEATH said that in his opinion a petition which had been presented from Dublin against the Coercive Bill was disrespectful to the House, as that Bill would readily pass the House. In his opinion to,) the petition ought not now to be presented to tl.e House. The Noble Marquis then read the petition, which made use of very strong terms, and stated that bayonets and cannons would never he able to put dow❑ seven millions of Irishmen. Lord KING said that as the Bill was not jet the law of the land, the petitioners had a right to state their opinions to the House. The House then adjourned till half-past three o'clock to-morrow. HOUSE OF COMMONS, M4,1c1l 25. The SPEAKER took the chair at five o'clock. A message from the Lords announced th it their Lord ships had a , .. t reerl to the Wendover Road Bill, and several other private Bilis. Mr. WARBURTON obtained leave for the Committee on the Londonderry election petition to adjourn at plea sure, in ord.-1 to give time to authenticate the signature of t! .e returning t fficer. LIVERPOOL ELECTION COMMITTEE. Mr. BANNERNIAN reported to the House that Eliza beth 11,,bins.in had refus«.l to answer question■ put to her tl e Committee.—Ordered to attend the House to morrow. \ Mr. KENNEDY brought up the report of the Corn mittee on Scotch Entails. BRITISH MUSEUM. Mr. BERNAL brought up the Report of the Com mittee of Supply, of Friday last, voting 16,000/. to the British Museum, for the ensuing year. On the question, that the resolution be read a second time, beinq put, 111 r. COBBETT said that he rose to object to 16,0001 h•ing paid out at the general taxes of the country for the supp.ot of what was called the Briti-h 111u.eum lie remembered that, %Alien Mr. Ba ks had the manage -111811 t of this estitna'e, it used not to .xceed 10.000/. hear.) lie had always, however, thought It unjust. awl he certainly did not think it th lea tit.just. because the charge was 16,000/. instead of 10,000/ For whose use was this sum ? Certainly for the tr-e of nobruly who did not live near Load , n. He found among the charges 1,000/. for insects. Now what use could those iosects be To the weavers of Latvashi , C or the rough men ot Kent? Certainly there was precedent for paying for insects which were of no use, for th , re were plenty of insects about the Gov. rti matt. But it might he said that this was only 16,000/., and 16.000/. was nothing compared with the millions which they sometimes voted in that House; but he begged them to remember that million- were made op of many 16,0001. But he ahonld wject to pay even 1/. out ot the general tax of the country for the hen. at a array t calm - el . vs. Now this Museum was entir. ly for the uae of carious, rico persons, who, having nothing else to do, might go and to mee away their time there He had h. and it slid, that there were books there which people went to consult. Now, he had live I its London off and on for thitty year,,_had written a few volumea during that period, and did not even know his way to the British illti,eum—(Laughter) --.and if he did, cettainly he should not go to view its content:. The Noble Loud had said that he could not spire the mait, so;:p, and newspaper taxes. N although this did not amount to th 2 malt t.x of four millions, yet it was a part of four millions, and would go come way towards relieving the people. This, however, was to be Lept ap fur the lien. fit ot the aristocracy and its .lependents.—(A laugh.) They would see :hat it was so, if the return of the person, who held ,Aces in the British Museum, among whom salaries to the amount of 10,000/. were divided, was granted. A AlinthEii—You have the lints already. Mr. CORBETT—Not in this year's return, and when we set it, I dare say we shall find that some of the maids that sweep the rooms are daughters of managers of the concern. Certainly, a more scandalous j, b than this of th' Britiah Museum he did not know of.—(Laughter.) None more scandalous had certainly ever even disgr.ce , i this Government, and thdt was saying a great deal, in deed.—(Latigh,er.) He begged to move that the report be re-committed. The question having hven put, Lord ALTHORP said he was satisfied that there sv,is no other Member in ihe House who could say that the Promotion of science in this country was of no tise (Cheers.) Certainly he was not much surprised at the statement which had been made by the Hon. Member for Oldham ; for about a week or ten days ago he bid heard that Honourable Member say, that education was of no use—( Hear, hear, hear)—but he was certain he would find no man of any education, we.slth, or respectability in the country, who would join him in saying that this it , stitution was of no use whatever. He agreed with V e Hon. Member that the fact of the amount being small would be no defence of the grant, if it were nut for a most useful object. But every person of education in this country must see that the promotion of science deeply interested every in dividual p ia a.? community. An institution of this kind was maintained by 6irc.oar, riery civilized country in the world, and so far from England having been extravagant in respect of it, our r, proach has been, that we have been tco economical as regards objects of this kind. Mr. WARIIIURTON said he would not take upon him to say whethc every p irt of the 16,000/. w judiciously expended, hut with Tqgard to the gen , ral principle. of maintainin,z an institution of this kind at the e;:penae of the public he had no doubt. It was stand in the eviden,;;e g;Yen before the RA committee that one rea , .on why foreign manufazyrets frequently had the st..rt of ours %vas, that in foreign couiair;” every opportunity was given of cu!tivating the taste of the poorer cleans. The object of this institution was to collect all the wooers of natura and art, and its benefits were not confined to the inhabitance its visiters; for by means of the cheap publications the content:. the Museum were made known throughout the country. There ;:o - ,;hl not be a doubt that ultimately the adv ,ntages of such an institution would be nfi,at felt by the humbler classes themselves. Mr. FERGUSSON oocsirjered such an institution pro ductive of the most material advani4g2 to the country, by its colleeti,:;us in all the various drpirtmen:s of tr , e srie arts, scienc,, and catural history, and tended to general improvernen-, not truly in taste but industry of the country at The resolution was then put, and agreed to. A. message from the jords anuotincett 041 their Lord. ships had agreed to the Saltash Road Bill, and desired the concurrence of thiq Hnuße. CHURCH TENIP6RALITIE.SI IN IRELAND. Lord ALTHORP said it had been his intention to move tb it the House should go into a Committee of Supply for the purpose of voting Navy Estimates before he had proposed the Committee on the Cl urch Temporalities in Ireland, but the Hon. Member for Middlesex had given notice of a motion, declating, " that it is expedient, before Voting the naval and military establishments, that the House should he in'ormed of the finances of the countr,, and whether any and what relief was to be afforded to the people from the burden of taxation, in order that the estAilishments ought to he suited thereto," and as he (Lord Althorp) believed that a division would take place on that subject, he thought it would he more convenient to move hit resolutions before the subject of the navy estimates was submitted to the House. He (Lord Althoro)should not occupy much of the time of the Hon,e, having already opened the matter fully, but eiculd have simply to move resolutions as the foundation of a Bill in lieu of the Irish Church Reform Bill, with drawn. Mr. had undoubtedly intended to press his mo tion to a division in the G'mniittee of Supply, on th e subject of the naval and military establishments ; but if the Noble Lod would take the present e stablishmen , s for three months (as we understool) be should not object to postpon e that met;en. Mr. O'CONNELL wished to know why the return of the fre, men registered un 'er the Irish Reform Bill, h not been pl ,red en the table 4 the H oeic. 111 r. STANLEY could not, as the to urns had to pts through the Harne.i.ffioe, explain the delay to tile Hon. and Learn,' Gentl-man. Mr. GOULBURN said he had been taken quite by sur prise by the Noble Lord's (Althorp's) propositlen. It wa., generally understood, most certain'y, that the navy e•ti. mates should take the precedence of the Committee on the Irish Church Temporafifes, and it would un (low tedly be extremely inconvenient it the Noble Lord persisted in his intention now expressed. Mr. SHAW agreed with the Right Hon. Gentleman (Goulburn) who had just sat down. U doubtedly the general impression was, that the navy estimates should take the precedence, and he knew that his Hollow able and Learned Colleague (Mr. Lefroy) had intended to move an amendment, but in consequence of his under standing that it would rot he brought on till an advanced period of the evening, he had not yet entered the House. —(Hear, hear, hear.) He hoped, therefore, that the Noble Lord would not now persist in bringing on the Church Temporalities Committee till the navy estimates had been disposed of. Lad ALTHORP then agreed to the suggestion. Sir R. PEEL said tie Noble Lord would recollect, that by an Act of Parliament, his Majesty had been enabled, with the King of the French, to guarantee a loan of 20,000/. to the King of Greece, and he (Sir Robert) wished to know whether other Powers had been parties to that guarantee also. Lord ALTHORP ssid that no step had been taken here to realise the money, as we understood. Sir R. PEEL considered that a substantial answer to his question. Upon the SPEAKER putting the question, that he leave the Chair for the whole Douse to resolve itself into a Commit•ee upon the NAVY ESTIMATES. Mr. HUME rose to explain the grounds on which it was his intention to propose an amendment He stated that they had, ever since Parliament met, been very anxious to know from his Majesty's Ministers what their intention was with respect to a reduction of taxation. The Noble Lord however, had cautiously abstained from giving any answer (and so had the speech from the Throne withheld all in• formation) as to whether it was intended to afford any relief. The Noble Lotd stated, anti perhaps properly stated, that he did not intend to offer any explanation, or give any an swer to any question on the subject of finance until after the year had terminated. He understood, however, that sufficient information was to be given to enable the House to know what °tie t to be voted at the commencement of the year, but if they were to wait till April, it would be utterly impossible that the of which he understood to be in view, namely, that the House should be in possession of the means which the coun try had to maintain the establishment, could be tff cted. They would come to the establishments of the day without, having previously ascertained what the state of the financial affairs was. In that way the Hou-e could tint have the advan tage of considering the esemates, and it would be impos-ible fir Hon. Members to know what amount of supplies they would be warrarred in voting, in total ignorance as they were of the income and means of the coun try.—( Hear.) He thought, after the long discussions which had taken place on the Irish Bill, the people of England must be looking to something in the way of relief from the burdensome taxation under which they had been for so long a time groaning. —Hear, hear.) He had just been reminded that the discussions on the Irish Bill were not unimportant—he did not dispute that they were important, but he doubted the preptiety of having brought forward that Bill at all—(Hear, hear) —the discussions themselves were imeoriant—the ob• jections to the Bill were properly made, end he hoped still greater oppneiti n would be shown to any such unconstitutional a measure, should such ever again he brought forwerd either in this or in any other Parliament,—(Hear, hear.) But the qiiestien he wished to ask was, as hither the Noble Lord was now prepared to give that relief from taxation, which the people of England ex pected ?—( Hear, hear.) Undoulreifly at any thing 'tike what mieht he called the popular elections, if he had known any thing of the candidates, those who had been elected were pledged to economy—pledged to the reduction of taxation. The time, therefore, for tul fill:ng those pledges as it Appeared to liim, was before hey voted supplies fer the Establishment. The Noble Laid bad given no idea of vet at the state of finance was, or of the ext. nt of relief which his means would enable him to pro_ pose. Hon. Members were, therefore, obliged to catch at any such idea by the papers which hail been put into their hands, namely, the state of the Revenue by the latest ac (imos ; and he would show the House there were no great means for the state of those papers to be calcul ited upon. By papers laid on the table of the House up to April last it appeared that on the sth of that month they had actually exceeded the income of the country ti the extent of one million two hundred thousand pounds. It was perfectly evident., therefore, that no relief c uld be uffolded front taxation, unless the charges were reduced below what they were last year. It appeared, by ano ther paper laid on the table of the House, during the present session, that the eurpus of income was about 633,000/., consequently half the rxcees of the last year would be made up, but still the country would be half a million deficient, He would submit to the House, therefore, whether any circumstances had taken place in the last quarter, to warrant a supposition that the surplus would more than equal the excess of last ye r, arid he would also peg to know where the means were to come from our of which the present esti mates were to be satisfied, if agr ed to. He would unhesitatingly assert, that unless the establishments of the country could be reduced, it was impossible to reduce taxation. It was impossible to suppose that men could take eft' taxes, and borrow money afterwards to pay them He had proposed to the Noble Lord or posite to take the estimates on this subj ct for three months, from which, after knowing the intentions of his Majesty's Ministers, the House would be able to firm an estimate of the Army, Navy, and Ordnance D partments that ought to be kept up. The Noble Lord, however, did not choose to accede to that proposition, and had now come forward to ask the House for the whole of the military atid naval estimates. He wished to press upon the House the fact, that while in game offices reduction had been made, no reduction worthy of mentioning had taken place. No real reduction of taxation could take place, unless most material eltera tione were made in the Army, Ordnance, anti Naval Departments. This country was at peace at the present moment ; no tears were entertained from ex.etnal hostilities, and he hoped none from intern ‘l.—(Hear.) But still an eptahliehmens was kept up quite as huge es in the time of war. This was in his opinion alb g, titer inconsistent with the welfare and happiness of the country, and he therefore felt it his duty to call the subject to the serious consideration of the House.—(Hear.) It was only by actually reducing the establishments when they had the p weer, that they would get the Chancellor of the Exchequer, or any Cliancellor of the Exchequer to do what the country expected of them. He believed the present Chancellor to he as honest a one as had filled the situation for some time, but, like all his predecessors, the change of place seen - red to have changed his opinions. Ile wo o d take another extract from the Finance Report of 1828. The principle that it hid down was thip—that no greater establishment, nor any more money beyond the necessity of the case should be required at any time, but much more especially at the present time, when the great distresseso and peculiar difficulties now press d on the country, and ail by the mere excess of x The country w as now p a yi ng as mu c h in t t a ax:s w ie n• sit did in the years 1814-15 awl 1816, ei hen the eme inal revenue was 69,000,0001. At present it was only 49,000,000/., but in reality the pressure upon the country was greater now than it was at the former period. Many instances were within his own knowledge, one of which only- -would be describe to Owl:louse, In the parish of Covent-gardeu, out of five hundred houses, in I consequence of the pressure of assessed taxes, fifty were empty, while 357 had refused to pay those taxes in con. sequence of surcharges. He was one who had concurred with the re-establishment of the standard, for he thought it Wes right that it should be done, but then he said to the Government, when they had done so, they ought to hying the expenditure of the country down to the same level. Had that been done, the present difficulty would not have existed. In 1826 he showed the House that the averaee income of the years 1814, 15, and 16, o hich was sixty one millions, gave, actor ing to the then price of corn 13,800 000 quarters, while for the years 1824, 25. and 26, when there had been a nominal reduction of 17,000,0001. in the taxation, there had been an actual increa-e, for, ac • cording to the then price of corn, it gave 17,000,437 quarters, being an increase of more than 10 per cent. If he took the price of corn for the last year at 53s and slts per quarter, it would be found that the taxes, valuing them as corn, were heavier than in any of the preceding years. --(Hear.) He contended that corn and bullion would so regulate the general affairs of the country, that they ought to be taken as a fair criterion of the state of the country. There was one point , o which he would call the attention of the House as being of great importance. He believed that poverty was one of the great causes of crime. The average of five years, from 1805 to 1809. of persons commit!ed for offences was 4,692, while the average of the five years, from 1820 to 1825, had decreased to 13,000, and from 1828 to 1832 the average had been 18,764. If that was to be taken as a criterion of dist' ess, it deserved great attention, as showing the difficult es to which the people were re duced, and showing also the necessity of a large reduction of tax salon, in order to give the people relief. They ought, then, to take the view of the sto ject which had been re commended by the Finance Committee of 1828, and make every reduction in th e naval and military establishments that was practieab'e. They were in the habit of looking at the amount of those establishments in detail, but when they summe t the whole together, it was surprising to see the amount to which they swelled. This year, for in • stance, they were -.deed to vote 27,000 men for the service of the navy, 89,000 for the army, and between 8,000 'nil 9,000 for the marines. This was exclusive of militia, yeomanry, and volunti ers, which cost the country at least half a million sterling. He thought that 120.000 men were quite disproportionate to the wants of the country, and that the House would do well not to vote that force for the present year, but, on the contrary, that they should proceed to the reduction of taxation. He should wish them to go back to the estimates of 1792, as a pattern by which they should proceed, but they had been told that it was imposs ble to make so great a reduction.— (Hear, hear.) He, however, did not think so, for the Finance Committee of 1828 thought that reduc tion in the navy was, at that time, not only possible but necessary, though the number of the men voted for the service of that year was only 16,000, marines included. Yet now, though without any prospect of war, or of any cause for our increased force, the question was, whether they should vote 27,000 for the service of the present year. Ministers ought certainly to have the confidence of their supporters; but, at the same time, when there was exhibited such a remarkable discrepancy between this year anti another, it was proper and necessary that the House should have every explanation they required befiire grant ing the estimates. The Hon. Member th n, on the sub ject of the navy estimates, referred to the opinion of the G alant Officer (Sir George Cockburn), whose long expe rience gave the greatest weight to what he said. This officer had been asked his opinion as to the keeping up so large a force as 30,000 men. He s.id that nothing but State necessity could justify it. He was then asked what number of men he should consider necessary and sufficient to be kept up in time of peace. He had made an estimate. which altogether amounted to about 16,000 men. This was the opinion of that Gal lant and most exp:rienced officer of the amount of force requisite to be kept up in time of peace; and he (Mr. Hume) would ask, what was there in the state of the country at this moment which required the maintenance of inure than a peace establishment? We had certainly embroiled ourselves in meddling with Holland, but he trusted that this unluckly affair would soon tie settled— even if it were not, it would not require such a very large naval force to be kept up. The present Administration had call d themselves an economical one ; and very great thing had been and were expected of them ; yet it was a tact that a larger naval and military force than ever,was kept up by them. The Duke of Wellington's estimates were considerably exceeded by those of the present Ministers. In the Naval Service, 2,700 men had been taken from the Preventive Service by Sir James Graham; then these had been merely added to the Coast Guard. This was, therefore, not a reduction, but a transfer from the Admiralty to the Customs. In the year 1817, there hail been a Finance Committee appointed; and if Hon. ,Members had an hour or two to spare, they could not employ them better than in studying the Report of that Finance Committee, where they would find the strongest recommend itiono of strict economy—recommendations which he was deeply grieved to see had not been attended to. Then, if they looked at the speeches of Lord Castle reagh, they would find that Minister expressing his deep regret at being unable, from the hostile demonstrations displ iyed, and at miss kept tip by other European nations, to make any reduction in the number of our force; expressino, however, a determination to make the most It . t . i , ed reductions as soon as ever these hostile demonstra ti,ins should subside. Now, there were no such reasons for keeping up au enormous military force n'.w ; yet it was notorious that our naval and military establishments were greater now than ever. Wi , h respect to the Marines, these are now 10 000. where 5,000 were hereoforefiund outfit-lent The number last year was 10,000, and this year it was proposed to keep up a ho 'y of 9,000 Marines —half on land and half at sea. Taking an average of the number of .Marine., for six years, from 1817 to 1823, it a t geared that this aver age was only 20,000—not 4,000 each year ; but this year it was proposed to have 9,000. Now, he should he glad to know what there tvas in the sate of England, or in the state of Europe, to war rant the keeping up such a preposterous force. There were full eleven thousand more seaman than could possibly be made use of. These facts were a full answer as to what rendered it necessary to levy such an enormous and overwhelming amount of taxation from the people. --(Hear, hear.) In the year 1823 there had been a very large inctease in the number voted. Another year th e state of alin e s in India rendered a further increase necessary ; and again, the state of Portugal called fur an addition to the already enormous force, of some more thousands. But here th re had, at least, been some grounds alleged for the various increases. Now there was no reasonalile pretence for keeping up such a preposterous larce; everything was quiet, and none of the causes ' which had been assigned for firmer additions could now be brought forward ; and, indeed, if we had not so un warrantsbly and blarneebly taken upon ourselves to meddle and make in the affairs of other people—(Hear, heir) — we should not have occasion to keep up a greater force than 16,000, or at the utmost 20,000. The Noble Lord pt °posed to the House a vote for 27 000 ; but he (Mr. flume) would strongly urge that the greatest amount that tney ought to vote would be 20,000 It was true that we were obliged to keep up a force in Portugal at the present time, hut this was fur the purpose of protecting our merchant property there. He should earnestly entreat the House, before they voted for these estimates, to show the Government and the people by a large majority, their full determination to make large r eductions in the taxes; the army and navy being the cause of so great a portion of those taxes, must, consequently, undergo a proportionate reduction ; and both these departments, particularly the former, would admit of a very large decrease in numbers. He did nor mean to go took so far as 1792 fur is standard, though, as the whole of the troops, including toose stationed in Ireland, consisted but of 45,24-2 men, he did not see w hy there should be a larger force kept up now, when there was less occasion titan ever for large establishments. Speaking of Ireland, he could not hut express a feeling of deep regret at the apathetic indifference with which the English people had for the last twen'y years suff rid themselves to be taxed for the support of eleven or twelve thous mil soldiers in Ireland, kept there too for the main tenence of despotism and tyranny.—(Hear.) The number o f our troops Was gradualk increasing up to the year 1824, when their number was 73 000 ; but our army was never so great as at present, since those years when we required such large forces to be kept up in France. At the pre sent period, even making an allowance foe the additional „„h oi ka, there can be no possible necessity for any force above 55,000 ; but as to the number of forces proposed to be kept up by Ministers, amountino, to no less than 89,000, he conceived such a proposition to be monstrous, and one to which the House ought never to give its consent, In another branch of this department, where a force of 4,000 had been hitherto found quite adtquare fur every purpose, the present Ministers required 8 800. The whole amount of men composing the three descriptions of our forces exceed e d 120 000. Adding to this number the military staff, the volunteers, and the yeomanry, ma ki n g altogether an additional armed force of nearly 60,000 men, there would altogether be found to be the tnoi mous body of 180,000 armed men. There could he no possible necessity or excuse for maintaining such a monstrous force as this. There must be a decided and a tfectual reduction in their numbers ; it would be no use to strike off a tivarter-tuasttr here, or a drummer boy there —no, they must set to work in earnest, and reduce all the services to a very Brea: extent. This was the only way in which that House could perform ifs duty to the people; they ought not to vote for a single estimate with out coming to a fixed and unanimous determination of vo ting for a great reduction of the taxes. It was not proper that there should he larger establishments kept up than the people could pay for. It was quite vain to think they could satisfy their constituencies, or afford relief to the people in any other way than that of reducing the taxes. which must be done by reducing the expenditure and esta bliehmente. Owing to the extent these had been keptjtip to, to the change in currency, and other circumstances, the peo ple were now paying an amount of taxation more grievous, if not greater, than they were paying in IBIS. Was it theref mre fit that we should persevere in keeping our esta blishments up at this rate? There was nothing in the state of the c untry which called for their maintenance, but there was every cause for their reduction. If the state of the country should he such as to requite forces kept up, the question would still be as to the amount to which they could be reduced; hut the best means of se curing general safety and protection will be to reduce taxa tion, and so to relieve the oppre sive burdens of the people. He had given notice of a motion, " That it is expedient, before voting the estimates for the naval and military establishments for the public service of the year, that this House should he informed of the state of the fin :Imes of the country, and whether any, and what relef, to the people from the burden of taxation, in order that the establishments may he suited thereto." He should also move a resolution, " Teat it is imperative on this House to require a large reduction of taxation as the best means of affording relief to the country." He trusted that no Member of that House wool t think that in proposing these resolutions, he had the remotest intention of throw ing any difficulty in the way of Ministers—(A laugh from the Ministerial benct , es)—h e did not at all wish to inter fere with the Ministers ; but he intended them as intima tion—a hint—it might be a broad one certainly—(A laugh)—to them that they must reduce their estimates so as to allow of a proportionate reduction of taxation. The Hon. Member having again read his m ohms, The SPEAKER put them from the Chair. Loud ALTHORP rose to reply. With respect to the change in the financial year, his Hon. Friend had not correctly stated the objects which hail been contemplated by Ministers in that alteration ; but which, unfortunately, had not been accomplished. The intention had been, that the supplies should be voted by the commencement of the year, and that the statements of the revenue for the con elusion of the previous year should be laid b fore the House before the end of that year. In pursuance of this plan the Minister+ had not laid the estimates fur the en suing year before the Hons. yet. The Hon. M•onber gave as his object in proposing his resolutions, that Parliament and the country at large shou d be informed, in the first place, as to tire state of the finances before they voted the estimates, an as to know exactly what they have to expend. This, he believed, was a lair statement of the Hon. Mem ber's proposed objects.—(Hear.) He must say he had been somewhat surprised to hear the Hon. Gentleman refer, in support of his views, to the report of the Finance Committee. The recommendation of this Committee cer tainly was, that Parliament should not vote more than was absolutely necessary for the purposes of time State. It was unnecessary to cite this recommendation, for the principle it laid down was one which the House was at present guided by, to cut down the taxation to the lowest possible amount consietent with the interests of the State, and then to suit the expenditure to it. The Hon. Gentle man said, that the only way by which a reduction of taxation could lie produced, was by a reduction of the ex penditure; this, of course, was one great mode ; but there might also be a reduction of taxation produced by an in crease in the revenue. The Hon. Gentleman had truly stated the deficiency at the close of last year, at twelve hundred and forty thousand pounds, but the Hon. Member had forgotten to take into account the immense reduction in expenditure in the estimate for this year. In fact, the Hon. Member altogether took too gloomy a view of out condition. The Hon. Member, in proposing the motion, had said that he felt it necessary to press upon Govern ment for a reduction of taxation, from his persuasion that they would not institute such a reduction if left to them selves. He (Lord Althorp), thought this charge very unjust, and one tehieh could not be borne out by facts. The very first step he himself had taken upon entering into office, had been to make a large reduction of t txes—a reduction so large, that the revenue had considerably suf fered from it. Surely, theret4e, he could not be accused of any want of inclination to promote every possible reduc tion ; and he perfectly agreed, that the only effectual relief which could he given to the people would be in the reduction of taxes. The greatest portion of the Hon. Member's speech, he must observe, had been inapplicable to the present motion, fir it was on the question as to what number of men should be voted for the naval and military forces—a question which could be better discussed when the House were called upon to give their vote as to the number of men to compose them ; and he should, therefore, decline entering on this discussion himself at present. The question they had now to decide was, whether they would vote the estimates for the year before a statement was laid before them of the balance-sheet of the year ? Now he (Lord Althorp) contended, that the proper principle was, that the House, in voting supplies, should nor be guided by the hal ince-sheet of the past ye tr, hut by what they considered as requisite for the service of time year. He objected to the principle laid down by the Hon. Member, for lie thought that the expenditure ought to be regulated solely by the necessities of the country. Mr. ROBINSON did not consider the Noble Lord's answer such a one as at all to impugn the proposition of the Hon. Member for Middlesex, in which he entirely concurred. With respect to the alteration in the currency year, the Noble Lord had corroborated the statements of the Hon. M tither. Lord ALTHORP explained. What he sail was quite the reverse. It would be utterly impossible for him to give t , e balance-sheet of the year ending April sth before April sth came. Sir. ROBINSON contended that in general principle the House ought to be in possession of the fullest informa tion as to the state of the general finances before they vot , d the supplies. He repeated that he had not heard the slightest answer to the Hon. Member's propo•ition ; and if that Hon. M-mber oivided on the question, he he should most certainly have his support. He did not blame the Ministers at all for t.ie delay in bringing for ward the estimates ; the engrossinz nature of the busiro es wi.ich had hitherto eventually occupied the attention of the House sufficiently answered for them. An HON. MEMBER, whose name we could not collect, expressed the fullest confidence in the determination of Ministers to economise to the greatest possible extent. The people, however, only expected fair play, but they would not be satisfi, d with less than fair play. He would repeat the question he had proposed to the Ministers. Was it their intention to bring forward any measure of relief I.r the people, either in the Committee or on any other occasion ? Something, he was sure, must be done to satisfy the people. Lord ALTHORP said, with respect to the question of the Hon. Mcmi er. it was impossible for him to give any specific answer. R lief for the people inns , depend, not upon tine, but on different measures. It was the duty of his Majesty's Government to consider all the measures which could give relief to the people. One mode, certaimy, of relieving them, was by financial measures ; and he was anxious to bring forward measures which he thought might tend to their relief. The question, how ever, of the Hon. Member, was so vaguely put, that it was impossible to give it a more decisive answer. He honed, however, that the House would believe that every measure which was brought torward—as he was sure it was so intended—would give relief to the people.—( Hear.) Mr. BERRIES could not concur with the Hon. Member for Middlesex in the motion de had made; but he did concur with him in many of his observations, and thought that they bad received no answer from the other side. He could not concur with the Noble LoNI in the otopriety of going into a Committee of Supply before the Noble Lot d had given that information which he, in common with the Hon. Member for Middles.x, thought necessary. He did not agree, imbed, with all the prin c•ples laid down by t e Hon. Member for MAdlesex. In his opinion, the first step was to ascertain the exigen cb s of the State, and next to make the revenue of the State accord with them. if the House were to deal with the 11• venue, and were to apply the revenue of the year to the services of the year, it would, he believed, frequently run into greet extiavaganre. One of the reasons which the Noble Lord assigned for not giving a satisfictory ex planation was, that the financi d year was not yet ended, and that be was not able, accordingly, to make a complete statement of the finances for the year. But one quarter made very little difference in such a vast revenue as ours. It should, however, be rememb , red, that one advantage of the change whieb was much dwelt upon at the time it was proposed was, that it would enable the Government to bring before the House the expenditure for the year, and all the wants of the year. The House of Commons, it was said, would not have the consideration of the votes for the year brought under its notice till it had had time to consider the tevenue and the resources of the country. Ili, ca ll e d upon the House to consider the situation in which the Government hail placed itself with reference to this subject. The present Government had gone far beyond any other Goverment in calling upon a t the House prematurely to vote the stlPPi Cl 'e cs• year before it bad given the House any informs i Ass Lord had not stated any good reason why he shii ° to financial ls information were tuost I l v ia h e i le ch w backward was in giving give the House that information before c alling (r id vote the supplies. The Noble Lord might have Is eee s, fore the House an account of the produce of the r" and his eeneral views of the finances of the country °f 0 , Noble Lord hail now had one year's experience cede ; th a e o p t a b tl e s ki e o S t change made in the date of the financial year,rl,o) wished to know what advantage the Noble Lord hi l t e j from the change? This was the first y e ar when," te d I he expected that the new system would be bat the best advantage, and he asked, therefore, what °,` .o ti e public had derived from it ? The Noble Lord it's!ge as a reason for not making his financial staterasno..i'do ereat pressure of public business ; but the Noble le ,th o his colleagues knew of this business, and they inig l frio f assembled Parliament sooner, ra ther than haee h ia l jet the new regulations.—(Laughter.) The No : - ; might have proposed the votes at an earlier per+ ..o s, complained that even yet the miscellaneous estimate:bet not laid before the House, and that no reason L13%0+ given to satisfy the House on account of this omission. Again he called on the Noble Lord toriltot af•er one year's experience, if any advantage h a d d derived from the change in the financial year , a n gro were derivable from it? In conclusion , the nig h t t teia Gentlern in declared that he could not vote with W e b a ll Member for Middlesex, though he by n o toot° Web that the Noble Lord hail given any satisfactory a° the observed ins of the Hon. Member. (le )! Sir J. GRAHAM referred to the statement 010,0 Mr. Herries before the Finance Commit tee i° Taff o f the v , show, in opposition to the eaten:tents able Member for Middlesex, that the first du.'etd the Government was to provide for the v%ig enc a l Sel l the State, and thst the revenue ought and not r iie ft o depend upon those exigencies, pendi ure to depend on the revenue; that it was afteroo4 necessary expenditure was settled within the n al% of' limits, that the Government ought to consider tb s e , and means for meeting it. The Right H° ° ' et sib it eulogised the financial talents of the Right Hu sha t for Harwich, and stated that he looked upon W s meat valuable document. Mr. HERRIES (interrupting the Right P° o ‘ .., net) was understood to a my, that his statement hell'etsi svai l ,y Committee • vas meant to apply only to the crate towns of the year, arid not meant to ex °n ffsu" to the f Chancellor of to Exch quer from stating the expenditure of the past Ih . v ievi 114 year, an , la e fin incial resources of the country before voting estimates. fie the 0 el Sir JAMES GRAHANI was content with Hon. Gentleman's explanation, and he calle d ° rose ° House to notice the consistency of that with the at'h:t tg he had just made. He understood it to adirl i expenditure of the country should first he regu" . te seti a" ,, the strictest regard te economy, and that then the e • of the country should be regulated accordingly. airs o°l Hon. Gentleman complained, too, of the estiala' to be it, 0, having been laid before the House; but he callvtl i tb t e slie r to witness that the navy estimates within Ws. "1 blr °f the assembling of Parliament, laid upon the °f tOOlll House. He had been willing to give every in l l, ' ' the House ; and of about 40 r e turns moved for 11 " Member for Middlesex, he had opposed on l y e v tg admitted that the experiment m i de as to the e liass ; date of the financial year had f a i ed, but the fi ncell f . aft are of the cause why the Mini s ters could n°"10 Wish their own views. They had telt it to Ja il paramount duty to bring the state of Ireland House, and for that every other business bed nee-edlY been postponed. The Right Hon. Gentleman aerube' eto Ministers of delay in assembling the Parliament; ~0# House was assembled the very first day possible. th°,th-t first day after the writs were returnable. The Blge,", Gentleman also complained of them for not ha" . „,. e lsi r ' solved the Parliament sooner. In making that w i ned . he could believe that the Right Hon. Glendora° j eet W e sincere. But the fact was, that under the ne w h i e ' regulating the constituency, the first day on gi n - pe e lc inb' P,rliament could be dissolved was the second of It and the Parliament was dissolved on the t hird• e issiel not necessiry for him to enter further into the 7 1 1 ,s fill and he hoped that he had satisfied the Huse tRr objections of the Right Hon. Gentleman w ere ° founded. is r aphlvnar probable e tbdh x al ypb such uvn:eal:tl worth h;oamnwadoteheftiii while to , t An Hoer. MEMBER said that what was Wan t ` - er vi tia i ," financialt y nwoi not which nt Nt: statement eides tia so i f er t iind h e e : e ta x , pdseeunmrdeai demanded, i u di r e e do o fbst:i ns Mr. HARVEY said the Noble y Lo . rd ova° huep e centes a vie , Lord, the House could only anticipate p the rest'''. Id f e „ motion, however, was full of benet, and h e , e cciu t cr; comfort in his anticipations. The Gov ern -- t e li P e most anxious, as they all knew, to reduce • 00 4 p•nditure, and it only delayed the statenseor : the , c h i , agreeably to surprise the public by s how t ee it hail fully redeemed those pledges of econolll "eorefo, nisters made on taking office. He derived grea t r es from the delay, and had no doubt that the disclosa pus' P Ministers, when they were made, would strP °° e go' expectations. He rested on that feeling, and de r ' s v r e s to S t comfort from it. They ought to allow Minis id ma into -a Committee, and see if the Governmen t e aP ttc i out that the number of the army and navy thei r Try propose was needful for the security of the co°°-eisi)°,; that number was not necessary, lie had a well Pl a tt e- or fidence in the Hon. Member for Middlesex, ch a i r Wa s e c a propose such a diminution as was proper. '', o llB ° duty of the House to diminish that litiiibr ,: c h a. practic tile. As yet that House had dune nothing' what it meant to do in the way of economr• Mr. HL 11E would a diV° not press his motion t° Amendment negatived without a divisions House resolved itself into a Committee of SuPP I P OO Sir JAMES GRAHAM could assure the C , that he w as deeply impressed with a sense ot " o e e tie penance of the subject be had to bring under i t 'd me l t lie was about to move a vwe for the largest', agl i , 0 1 °5 important, and most extensive establishment of the d P try. He was aware that he was brin • ,e• these evi „,eo' the 'artt toofa et_fite:st.oforty fore Gentlemen who had been returned gif to fairly anti ful y representing the opinions ° ", t rig`, constituency, and determined to enforce the n i r , economy in every department of the public ser r ' ee va o looked, ferwarti, however, without pr l 11 1 14 cart being satisfied that the most rigid .con t ahl(tea.ilors.ntdi presentMlaanrs of the ye__ 0 d y poetised, consistently with what gwas due ; t yr safety and honour of the country, he had n° grad the House would be satisfied that everything ',410e, done which the circumstances re uired Government expenditure had unde ci rgone a rig id ve rr, i 'll tion, and a statement was made b the R i g:„ s We", Gentleman the Member fur Harwich, yof which "L e t avail himself. At that time, accounts were br°7 1 0 q,1 ward of the public income and expenditure fra—e He should content himself, however, with a ta.° lr e e trf expenditure of the year 1827. In that year t e l e •e/ 1 expenditure of the country was 55,744 0001.) a ', 55,744,0001. the permanent char s a were c" d nature that 35 952,0001. could not k be redu c e e 4o° ° i; sum was campus dot various items, sui has 29 '' 1.. 0 for the National Debt, 1,057,000/. for the Ci r e 400,000/. for pensions not charged on the Civi l l ' c ' ee ' P re ; the la Ili-pay of the navy and areiy. Fro:n 1927 r° e sent time, there hail been a constant . endeavour t're Ytbt the expenditure. The Right Hon. Gentleman t h e iv ceelled to make the statements which are erobodi' following table : e Cv An ACCOUNT of EXPENDITURE, in last Ficc::°i.ttr elusive of Advances lot Public Works, and exc payments, Allowances, Discounts, sec. fi es e es e.e=s, ie ees-ie_eePrs t e l ea'S ) .e ea' isWg. -- J F., 1 3 tF , :g g 4, ff s F e f ?. t' , l:2 r fi 4 ni g c n W4: 1 !" ,E:T :2 m a t e ,aw„,, , Y,:. 5,1): a g , ,c 4 =<Ti" rs;' •'-; I 1.7. "cn C 67: 2 t c t , , 9 7 .73 Z - 7 . 6 la F g e 5 .• _____---- s., .-- .... • ~..,( 5' In :=1" ;..., I; 'P o ~... O ln Io .-- 9 3' 11 Y -c, t .. .?„ _ .... . 7. :', 8 3 ~. .41 , , e 1.0 'ts• :.7.3 IC , e F . - - - , •Li w -..- ... ... 8 '`a' X _....----' te• 0," pendituie of the year !rise (h e continued) p„ t of 11327 by five millions. The Rigat ogfe then stated, that the money over which the .. ,!. The e 3 of that ronet t mat 1 34 d apfieare b The Inter c nfunti ebt (Ili' Listed" pensions 114 L pay, tpetr