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PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS.; liOtiSE ()F CONIM()NS. ~ ()Lour Of Trig PAY rollt Tillh IiAY. i. lAbourore , Wits*" 13ill—Comutitteo , 3. tiupply--(1,1 July itup € rt. ' 3. Ways iltid Meatis 4 .4atio t aa. •1 County Mgt, (I rwlauld) WM-I%lid Routing. c, b. Inoolvoot th , btors ( 1 1rolanti) lUD—Third Ileiuting. li. Wilnewou (IrAtoui 11111..Couauittor. 1. I)loresuu lichools, ( ritlimd) Blll—'lllrd nautilus. I. Army ?customs 11111—Third itoultot , ti. Arms (Iroland)lillt.;-Fur th ow Cottoldfration of Repot. II 'kir vaCkler Outlet' Avis—ltorotoooor to too fOrther }on. sitlertat Treavirrar of the Navy litll-4tsport. Hpirit I)utlet litit—conlaatttett, 13, A'v'eat India *Arita 41i11-lArralpittaa. It Ittartott Solar Expottattort Acts--Ittvoluttml to ()a furthor 001)111.1110d. 16, Hagar i)utirs 11111.4erorill Iteatling. 1.1 Etchr.pier )1111.1 (1001117,000i4 11111 , ...stcorat 1 1 0 .4. 1111 5 , 17 Crown -Property Costonlelllll—Seetititi Iteading. It War and iitrintis Duct et 14111-44evonet Itettliost A. Lt../tiottattrolWill*Hattoott ituadtpt, (MKS THIS MOISINO , I. Mr. A flawed—ll eturn, 'showing (according to the beet mate which coo be ((mufti) the amount of Jnitey own. rank to the payurent of Ott: Creditor. of the Nabob of the which, ott the %id) April, It<lo, was 11/Veit/4 ill OM MtMei tut the - Commlisioner. for lovedisunity , th Claim of such Creditor., or which theft remained in thee hood. of kite Lost bole Company, (Tuetday, July 03 '2. 31r. liume—To reprint the 'reports of ISI2 and MIA from Couttuittoce Oil the Civil List. atteaday, July o.) IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. 11OUSE OF LOIIDSe . -(LAST NIGIIT.) In the absence of the Lent Choicelior, the „Earl SHAM:War took his seat on the Wooing* at Five o'clock. HIS MAJESTY'S ANSWER TO THE ADDRESS. The illsrquie of CONYNOHAM, as Lord Steward of the Houtehold, oresented lathe House his Majesty's An. ewer to the Address, which The Red of till AFTESHURY read as follows ; -." My Linde, l thank your Lorilrhips fur your loyal and Aro tionate Address. It stlords me the greett watiefaction, and 1 rely on your determination to adopt, without daddy, wets measures as the eatigeritiaa of the public ',ser vice may require." SHUBENACADDIE CANAL BILL. Visenunt AIELYILLE moved the second reading of this Bill. Lord DURHAM bad before made some inquiries con cerning this Bill, and could get no information ghoul it; and he mutt object to Bills of that description passing as a matter of course. He could not help himself if the Noble Viscount pressed his 'Motion, but he must object to passing Bills without knowing anything of the lidded to which they related, especially Bills like this, which went to grant the public money. Viscount MELVILLE explained, that the Bill was in tended to empower the Treasury to lend 50,0001. to a Company which had undertalten to make an inland navi gation from Halifax to the Bay of Fundy. The Corn p piny Watt toloisks a river navigefile, which would not only be very adviudagrous to the Colony, but to the public geuerally, and partieularly to that branch of the public service over which lie had the hooour to preside. Viscount GODERICII did not et , all doubt the pro.; priety of the pima Bill, or mean in any manner to ob_ ject to it ; but he did not think, as the.Nobto Viscount I Noma to think, 1140 ouch Bills explained thennelver, and were to lie passed Ate mitten/ of Mule. Lord DURHAM was ready to admit, that the loan of money would be very beneficial to Nova Scotia; but he objected, on principle, to approprieting the puirlio money to works for the benefit of the colonies. Ihohleis, 'this particular case, he thought money might be found, b y looking to the fond* raised in Nova Scotia itself; and, if it could, it was not advisable In appropriate the two of this country to Out purpose. 'lie tbotight there was pond reason to recommend a reform in the financial adminie. tratiou of that country ; and,. till that were done, he should object to appropriating any money for works in that Colony. It appeared by a return laid before the Finance Committee, that the revenue of Nov* Seotis was 88.860!., and that no lees Oleo 20,00()1. of this was expended in snaking roads and canals, and building bridges ; and hi begged tete,/ to ask why e part of this money could nut be appropriated to the making of the Shulteneceddle Canal? The Government, too, bad been obliged to ask 10,0001. for the payment of the Civil List of the colony. !Lai, thew, wee 20,000/. tile revenue of the colony spent, and he was sonvineed that the expenditure might be re formed. Thu, salaries of the different oflieers was too large. There was a Comptroller of the Customs With 2,000/. a year, and the Customs of the Collmy were l ev i e d at au t iptoe. of 80 per cent. Beehive , the Comptroller there was a Colleeter, with 1,0001. a yew. ; two Waiters, with 400/. a year; two GateColleetors, with 4001. a lost, and other officer.; melting, altogether, a , 'charge 00,1401. a 'veer for collecting a revenue ofB,oool. ruder such eircumetenees time Howie ought to pause be fore it vented any money for any purposes in thii calla There was also attallowsnee for a fishing vessel of 1,600!. ; sod time Ciovernor of the King's College had 1,0001. a year ; anti the Bishop hail 2,000/. a year ; while the ;• (Thief Justice-.arid to this he begged the Lord Chan crilor'e attention—had only 8001., and the Attorney- General 140/. If the Noble Viscount were right in grad ing the retain tummy for much purposes, his Noble Col. league sitting Reside him must be wrong. The Mike 01 in answer to an appliettiou of the Thames Tunnel Coogan) , for aid, declined to grant any. 'The Noble Lord saw time Duke of Wellington's answer, in which hie Grace stated that, in his opinion, the soon welded fur time rompletion of the Tunnel could not possibly he granted under existing circurnst Wee—that it war contrary to hie priuciples to woke any Arleta of public money or . loan, cud that it wee incumbent on hint to avoid every expense lint what was immediately allettd to the country. He thought that the determination of the Noble Uuke was quite correct ins principle, d he hoped his Grace would not think the present e a proper exception. Ile should objeet to the second reading of the Bill, and move as au sowedinent, that it be read a second time We day six ' montite. The Duke of WELLINGTON admitted the correctness the Noble Lord's question, but staled that there was a differenes between grant* sod loans. In the present ra'e, the goal, as his Noble Friend bad explained, would be wistful to the public as well as to the colony. On that • ground it was tupposeil to he proper to assist the Company w i t h a loan which time Company was bound to repay, In time case of the Thames , Tunnel the Company objected to a leen, because they could not pay the Interest on it. Under those circumstances the °On/Matta thought it right not o to advance any Money. Lord KING could not see any difference between, a loan ands grant-eat lead WO* very often became grant., and he thought it war right to object to both. There was the Otto de loan granted to the city of Londonderry, of I 4•000 i for buil/Boot bridge over the Boyne in 1814, on which no interest hee l ever been paid, anti now neither principal nor interest was to be obtained. He was mini:Wed, indeed, diet there was a Treasury Minuto to suspend the demand* e, for e4ther.. Loans, theteture, might be grants; and one was rus had as the other. Viscount OODERICH thought dolt Lordships ought be sward of the security for the payment of the money. The basks of WELLINGTON said the toils were mart. geglei for the ;Aymara of the Interest, Lord TiYNHAM supported the . The Marquis of LONDONDERRY only wither) to say time shy of Londonderry held Itself reoponsible fur the money folvanteil. Lord DURHAM did not pros his etnetolownt to a diet ohm,. end the Hill was MIA a wand time. Ills Lonositir gave notice, that when the Bill wrot into a Committee, he should move that the Thames Tunnel he sulmetinoted for the Shubensceddie Canal.—(A 1 44 10 Th e g u t o f )10S$LYN moved, that the Bill for furl. litating criirminel trials In Scotland be cotatnitteiL The Noble End explaitiemi the object of the Bill, which was to Aorta% the dine between the peseing of sentence and cerryiug iato exeoutiott ;to do away with:the punishment of banishment in certsiu ewe, and make other tegulatimmus. Lord 'WHARNCLIFFE took the opportunity to re. mirk, that this Bill was a good illustration of whet ho hired on homer oceasieue urged on the attention of the House. No oilier iouilielitioist was tobetituted for benielonent, amid there (x,tild hd oasts by that douse, lleeittiatt it could nut order a fie?t,a , a inl l i i ct i s d , withoet terteptasiog on tile psi. • vileges of the tiro/al at Commons. wont through a Committee ; time report to bo reeadoed on Wedge, ROD litiVrE o ß o tANC<`IIII4 BILL. Thif Memel* of LONDONDERRY, adtc(filig to 114 crowded moms er book of the Howie, the omfatter of wit. new yes to ha esensinod (Afty,assetil, and the feet that the &Woo was scut to he protracted beyond tint rth m oo m , oved that the far th er emansideratiou of this 10 I is, edjouritiot six* The Marrieds of BALIBBURY resisted the motion, mom time ground that it would he ilieriteprethit: to time Maw ol Coeuumoems. lie thought their Lordship*, /mhos good Knew{ were Aimee to the conteety, ought to proceed with the mg till Pettiara*At *al prorogued, The - Earl 'of MALSIESOURY censured the whole course of pommeling *Nett bad been adopted with regent err the Mi. Theft: Lordelmips ought to have bent Oil. Waled witio fast mains gross corruption at the lest etre. ektetiologietallye ea it were, they t A^~ _ i .~.,t had involved themselves in an almost interminable inquiry. At the same tune, having begun the inquiry, he could riot consent to throw the Rill overboard, WithOUt 110111 - 11 good reason to place in"their Lordships' journal. Ile was of opinion, too, thatduing,to would tend to throw business more than ever lute ththando of the House of Commons; ' end he could , oot, ste.'lo7itv their .I.ordshipe could avoid proceeding with the Bill till the dose of the Session. The Marquis of CLAN RICARDE objected to the con tinuance of the Bill, because it occasioned a great expense. The discuss ens might he an amusement to some of their Lordehipe, but they caused a heavy expense to the country. Lord DURHAM denied that the charge contained in the preamble of the Bill had been made out. His Lordship entered into a brief Watery of the elections, and showed that the evidence, which was yet all ex.parie, only eliminated a very small portion of the electors at some elections, while at other election there were no proofs of corruption whatever. It wu for them to con eider whether, at the present stage of the Session, and after so many Bills hid been put aside, it would be judicious to go on with this one. The Duke of WELLINGTON thought that as so much time had been consumed on this Bill, it would be better to go on with it, in order that the House might come to a final decision on the subject. lie himself bad no interest whatever in the measures, but be did feel that they Were hound in support of their own dignity, to bring the thing to a close, and to make an exertion for that purpose. The Earl of MALMERWRY explained. The Earl of CAERNARVON was denims that the Bill Anal be gone through with,' but the manner in Which they hail gone on hitherto, was mere child's play. The Marquis ofSALISBURY proposed that they should sit at Ten on Monday morning: The Duke of BUCKINGHAM mid that if they intended to sit de die in die, the plan might sumer, but short of that it could not *tweed. The. Marquis of LONDONDERRY said that if they pur posed sitting de die in die, he would not divide the House. Earl GREY was of opinion that there was aro time left tor the proper eonsideration of the Bill alter the declara tion of . his Majesty's Ministers. It therefore appeared Gr hint to be desirable to get rid of the Bill altogether, with all possible respect, however, towards the other House. Lord ELLENBOROUGH said thst he should feel di.. posed to postpone any measure rather than this, on which the House of Commoris had bestowed greet pain., and, therefore, to „light which now would be disrespectful to wards them. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY wished to sok the Noble and Learned Lord bow long he thought it likely that the proceedings would last? The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that as he was ut terly ignorant of the define° to be brought forward, he could give no opinion on the subjeot. A further conversation afterwards took place between the Earl of M.AI3OISIIII4Y, the Marquis of SAIMUSURY, and the Marquis of LA NADOWNse. The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said that he would simply move the adjourninent of the question. 011 this their Lordships divided— ' For the Adjournment Against it 45 Majority Counsel end witnesses were then called in, and the era , minition of the'latter proceeded.—Adjourned. LOUSE OF COMMONS.-(LAST The Rye Ilasbour Bill was read a third time and Sir K KNATCHBULI4 presented a petition from Orr/mulch, complaining that the Hospital 41.1 not Con tribute a fair proportion towards the poor-ratos of that pariah. Mr. FRANKLAND LEWIS at great length di:froth:a the system on which the 'lnvite) was conducted. After a few observations from Air R. Wit.sott, Sir .1. YORKS, and Sir 1. KNATCHOULt i the latter of whom hoped, on some Noire oemion, the eubjeet would be, brought under the serious consideration of the House, the petition was ordered to be printed. Mr. LITTLETON gave untie, that he should proceed with the Labourers' Wages Bill to-morrow. Mr. CORDON begged to remind the lion. Member that to-morrow was Saturday. Mr. LITTLETON was SWAN of that, but umlarstood that the House intruded to *it to-morrow. Mr. DAVENPORT presented a petition from Chester, and two other places, for the protection of children ens played in the reanufactorita. NEWSPAPER STAMPS. Lord MOUPETH root to present a petition, In doing which perhaps it would be unnecessary for him to take up much of the time of the House, but there woe some circum stances connected with its prayer which made it incumbent on him to make a few observstions. The petition which he had the hotiour to present was from the letter-prees• printers of London and . Westminster, and to which OM signatures had been attached. He believed this wee the first tune that body bad ever approached the Legialetutewith their complaints. But their distress was at this time so pest, arising, as they principally coneeived, from the heavy duty on paper and tire high price of 'stamps, that they could ao longer remain silent. Sorb had b ee n the injurious consequences of the present high duties in the lest four years that severe! Sunday newspapers bed stopped, and four daily ones hard been diseentinued ; lea meant the Nom ing Jouraal, the .11ritish Press, the ilepristssiallet, and the Tractile. Ile slid hope the House would never sanction any restrictions on the diffusion of useful kuowlidge. The petitioners then stated, that there was a great loss to Governnarut by the high charge on Advertise. went duty, and compared it with that charged on foreign journals. They further preyed that the duty On newspaper stumps might firs reduced to twopenee, and on advertiaemente 'to two shining*. lie (Lord M.), as the Chancellor ()film Exchequer meant to abandon for the present Seasion the rpoiliution of the damp duties, would not now enter Into soy lengthened atetement. He hopeq, how ever, that when the subject again came under consideration, the higher duties would be lower ed, and not the lower ones be made higher. Ile knew that no step could be taken by the Parliament he then had the honour to address 1 It would be better, therefore, fur him to reserve what he hail to pro pose to a future opportunity..(Hesr, Lear. But he must call the attention' of the House to the heavy titre levied on the Press. Every newspaper was obliged to by printed on a stamp which cost fourpenee, front which certainly was deducted twenty per cent. But when the duty on paper was added, it would be found that Government actually received more than fourpenee fur every single newspaper that was printed. Now when it was coneitlered that they get supplied with newspapers at sevenpence each, out of which the Government duly was to he paid, and likewise the profit of the newsmen, there was but a small proportion of the sevenpence left to wards defraying the expenses of the establishment. le 'Titograd from a paper fail before that Howie, that the Thus newspaper alone paid more than severity &n -atiod pounds per annum towards the revenue.—(Hear.) Minty read newspapers who read nothing else, and from reading those they were brought to read other works, which otherwise they would not thiuk of, and in this way bath the working clews of society and agrieulturiete were greatly benefited ; notwithetending, this advatitrige was nothing like what it would extend to were it nut for the high rats of taxation. Ac to the comparison that had hero instituted with respect to the proportion of sir gelation of newspapers in this and other eountries, hr (I.ord Morpetli) found that in Francs, where the ttsation on each newspaper was only a heir. peony, and the pries of the paper about twopeure-lialf pansy to the subscriber, tire circulation was tough greater than it was in We country ; while in the United States, where there was no advertisement nor stamp duty, and where the average price of a newspaper was three half pence, tire cireulation was five limo* more then it was in England. Added to thie, it was to he observed that, with the exception of London, there was scarcely a town in England or Scotland where a daily newspaper was sup. ported, while in almost all the towns of any impudence in the United State* there were two, three, fonr„or, five deity papers. These were facts that ithuntlantli proved that a reduction in the high scale of taxstrrn in this country would necessarily greatly increase the number of newspaper readers and greatly increase the eir ealetion, greatly (Wks* the procedure of boldness, and thereby greatly imireasis the reeenue.—(Lowl eheees.).—lt was Always to be borne in mind that the benefit of the matters pealed for,by the petitioners was not to he ratineated by the innucliete benefit sought to be obtained. Unit the objects, largo and extensive as they wires the Honourable Member felt confident would be pro. meted by the measures recommended by the petition, which though in the hot instance were wholly directed to matters of relief in point of revenue, would be found 4) he of use to the rouse of liberty, and not without use tea that of fiefdom...4oldd.) Mr. S. MCP.' was anxious to have the honour of second ing the petition, not only beguile it aecerded with his hut 'became on a farmer occasion ho bad been thtsirona to 41 4 torwanl a similar subject with'regard to the Irish Pres*. 45 611 arson a remark in two of the newspapers of Ire landurn w hich log witched to take the liberty of making a f ixes " 4 " 460 114, With reaped to aunuailversiotw upon the conduct of any Member, lie should be the last to comPlein. The emotion of the Members of that House was public propeety*fand h wee, for *la who noitelkd - Y:~ ":' *' fir ~., public opinion, and criticised the conduct of public men, to make those observations on the po eeedinet of Members of that House they should think fit. But he was sure the House would agree with hint that if the conduct deny Member was represented in a newspaper directly contrary to that which, in point of fact, it hail been, it was the duty of that Member in the most unrestricted manner to set himself right. A statement had been circulated among his Irish eonstituents, calculated to inflict not only a personal injury bet a practical injustice upon him, and which he should take the liberty of setting right. It had been said in two of the Irish newspapers that the lion. Member for Limerick, whom his coustituente had entrusted with their confidence, had declared before the Parliament of England, that the Catholics of Ireland were airworthy of confidence! He took upon himself, in the face of the Commons, surrouuded by many who had heard his statement, and inviting contrediction (rum any one individual—he took on himself to deny in the most net, direct, and unrestricted men. tier that ever he .had uttered such an expresaion, and to characterise the statement lie alluded to as one of the foullest misrepresentations ever circulated in Ireland. Ile did not, and could nut have stated that the Roman Catholics were unworthy of confidence. He was the last person that could have wished such an opinion to have Prevailed. The mule he had taken wee this :---He said that the House ought to watch with jealousy any motion the lion. Member fur Clare might bring in on the subject of the catholic., not that he meant the House to under stand the Hon. Member would bring in any Bill that was not deserving of the approbation of the House, but that he thought it was much better for the Proteetente of this country to legislate for themselves on the subject of the Protestant Church in Ireland. He, therefore, com plained of this statement, not only because it had been cir culated in the newspapers, but because it had been taken out, printed, and circulated among his constituents. He would not enter into a controversy in newspapers with any man, but he had taken the liberty openly in that House, in the way in which every independent Member ought, when he had been grossly misrepresented, to state how the feet was, and for the indulgence with which the House had heard he felt indebted. Colonel SHITHORPE gave his hearty support to this petition), perousded that the greater the stimulation of newspepere the more would society he benefited, and the only way by which that circulation could be in creased, would be by a reduction of the heavy taxation.— If there were any inaccuracy in the reports of the pro. etc - lino in that House, certainly the reporters ought not to be blamed, but Hon. Members had themselves to blame. Indeed it was a universal surprise that the reports should in general be so accurate. It was the opinion of Mr. Justice Blackstone, Mi. Burke, and the late Dr. Paley, that the publication of every thing connected with that House, es well as the Lords, was a must desirable object. lie could himself urge thousa n ds of Argument. in favour of the liberty of the Press.—(Loud cheers.) — To what were all the great public inatitutiuns in debted, iu comparison with the assistance of the Prise? Nothing. Under such circumstances, Owl lot bid that he should ever he supposed to entertain an opinion or do auy thing calculated to abridge the liberty of the Press, or to prevent the Press from taking up the conduct of that House as a public body--a right which the Press was entitled to command, and which the House bad no right to deny. Mr. LITTLETON felt great satisiaction in supporting the petition hrought forward by the Noble Lord. Of his own knowledge he knew that theme were persons with an income of two or three hundred per annum as well able to exercise a round judgment on every subject that come before the public, as guy set of teen in the universe, but who were pree'udell from olitsining that extensive knowledge which they otherwise would proms, Were it in their power to take iu,daily newspaper, but which they could not do, because it would cost them 101. or 111. per annum. The cornice of a country atm• paper was generally not ItiOrs than fifty or sixty shillings a year, and yet he knew that the very, first indul gence which the English yeomen were obliged to deprive themselves of was, that of continuing to take in one of those paper., and which be could not but regard is a public hardship—a public grievance.—(llear, hear,)-as Ile contended that a small duty upon newspapers web!, double their circuistion, and that, by a redaction of the, adiertisement duty, the revenue won d be beneficial/ to a tonsiderable amount. He must say that the first duly of the Legislature was to provide for the education of the people, and he could see no means by which that duty could be moreeffectually accomplished that, by placing in the hands of the people, is extensively as possible, the labours of educated men. He trusted the Noble Lord would early in the next Session bring forward some measure en the subject. But if the Noble Lord did not, he trusted son e other Hon. Member would, in order that the people might have ea opportunity of seeing who were the Members who, by their vote' upon that occasion, discharged their duty tJ the people. Mr. O'CONNELL was quite convinced of the inability of his Honourable Friend to state any thing so inaccurete as that which was imputed to him ; but he was at the ranee time surprised at his Hon. Friend's ability to state, at tbis distance of time, what he bad actually said. Every body who knew hisElon. Friend, knew him to be is. cepalsle of stating what the anonymous publications *Herded to had imputed to him. But be the ninirepresentations what they might, they occurred from the charley way in which reports were given in that House. It would be better to hays somebody roponsible for their reports in that . Muse, fur under the present system every one did as lie pleased, and no one was 4nsworabla. Mr. it. DAVENPORT approved of the petition which was presented, and was anxious that the reports should to forth properly in the newspapers.— But Le would ack, what would become of the time of the Home, if every mum who was mis represented should make a statement to the House of these inierepreisentations? What, he would ask, could he more easy than for a body like that to have reporters of its own, sworn to report every word that passed in Shut House accurately—(Great laughter)—or not at all.—(Loud and continued laughter-Ilefore any Hun. Member talked of capitulating with reporters, he should wish to know the terms of the capitulation of the gallantry of the reporters, no one Wield have a doubt, and their accuracy was inure than wonderful; and of their education no greater proof could be needed than this—the extraordinary precision with which they took 'petitions— no matter in what langusgeor come front whom they might. But the evil was this, that whilst the House allowed them to report they could not compel them to report—(Laugh. ter)--nor were they obliged to report a single syllable of any epeeoh, come from what quarter it might. Before the Howse eapitulete with reporters, they ought to know what happened after the reports left the reporters' bands.--(hear, hear.)—Did the House know, whe ther after the reports left time reporters' hands that feeble., words, and sentences, in certain speeches, were not altered accoraieg to the tastes of proprietors. Sup. pose it might happen that any capitalist, or any number of capihtliste, having an object iu view, might get poseeesion of newspapers, what could be easier for them than to tell reporters,—" we want such and such speeches re ported ;"--or suppose two capitalists having diffe: rent views, were to have two newspipers, and that each should approve of the m 131816114 of one Member who opposed, and this other who supp.'ded• Ministers,— although they might not say to the reporters, ";We do sot wish you to report the *perch of 'such a Member ; and as we can only report the speech of oneMember,hecause we have no room, we prefer the sentiments of Mr. and So." Now, would not the reporters underitand that ? Arod if the favoured Mother Were a Minister, as in many instances would he the clew, the consequence would be that his speech would be reported, whilst nut one sentence in twenty of my Hon o u ra bl e F r i e nd below rrie, or of my Honourable Friend behind me, *prated to Millet/re would be reportesh—(i. iug ht e r,,) Tile Government having the commend of Morley might easily do that, and obtain the noloession of the principal newspaper*, and have their speeches accurately reported while those opposed to the tneluiure would be e upp erm d. Met r he l r t. th i at lELeerrtathlienlyancdan"iitve.i cap . w u i ' s ti h ru to tite di l stt my arrange:mut which lie may propose, and which may have the effect of doh% that which he so touch fears, of ' having the 'speeches of ?Ministers repented, end of the other s I :gi rt : is u a l m s r P t eo u P s:e g e l, i 5 :l e : must(iti ith gh rs:asaayittntghlulai, singular igr4eet correctness -.. and, ar ') iet — speeches it.oei t o t_h f 4 Mori. 11 1 11 4 1 e w n o i t i - f i (Hear, hear.) — At the game time I doubt much the policy of t h e prop. smuon, that every worel—(l.atighter)..,46,l4 he woolly reported—even the very exact terms,' and in the very order in which they are uttered in tide Ih mee. ,... ( co ut i nue d laughter.).-Upon the whole, I think we hive no (Kea ainu to speeches o cu f w ln so isu Pi : l at ( i . o 4 f i f i s h t o l e u me i r r ld b 7d tive i t Sc r ie f i e u l t o lital n w ii :i a n n ntl t i s l a i t e t i y i u p t i tt r e iz i i s n i e rgi sentiments sometimes tbl i s tsto itone,....c are expressed in aria Upon the whole, Sir, Ido not think it would be editor. tageous to the public, or creditable to ourselves; to hare reporters sworn to report accurately every word that may be uttered.—(Oreat laughter followed the Right Me. Baronet's obeervations.) Colonel, SIIITHORPE only meant to la y, th a t greater accommodation might be afforded to the reporters than they at present enjoyed. Mr. SPITING MCP:, in explanation, did lot complain of the accuracy of the reports, What he ceinplained of was a comment upon ids public conduct in that House. Lord MORPETU should be inclined next Session to adopt the suggestion of the llon. Member fur Staffordshire, he did not construe the silence of Government into appro.' bation of that proposition. sir M. W. RIL)LEY said, the et - timber of advertise ments which appeared in each newspaper clearly showed that a tax on newspapers did not operate as al disadvantage to newspapers. But be thought a loeluctierron newspapers desirable. Mr. HUME thought this a most important question. If the reduction of tintatien on claret, supposing it to be good, would he the means of increasing the revenue, on the same principle the reduction of taxatiou on news papers would Imre the same effect. Ile begged the House to observe what took place In America, where there were more ,affvertisimenti in one town (New York) the* in the whole of 'London. His • Honourable Friend had observed that he thought the Government duty on advertisements of Ss. 6d. "wee not much; but when 6d. more Was added, he must he allowed ti say that that struck out a great portion of advertisement'. No thing could be of more importance than the reduction of duty on . advertisements. He had no dunk if the duty on ad vertisements was reduced to Is. the revenue would : in the ' long ran be considerably, increased. The tax on newe r papers was a tax on the diffusion of knowledge, it was what he must designate as an anti-Christian tax.— (Laughter.) lie trusted the Noble Lord opposite (dor pith) would press this measure is another Session. The House of Commons he knew, and he trusted Ministers, would likewise go with him. He trusted the. time was not far remote when the duty on paper would be taken off altogether.' The paper-makers at.tbe present moment were in the great possibly distresit; but he bad no hesitation in saying, if the duty was taken off paper altogether, this country would become the mane. lecturer of paper (as it was at the present moment of cot ton goods) for the whole world. He hoped the Chancellor of the Exchequer would be prepared to come to the House next Session with a repeal of the tax on paper altogether. Mr. DAVENPORT wished to make a few observe. lions relative to the great utility that would result from having : verbatim reports. Lord HOWICK felt compelled to call the Hon. Member to order. Tlie Haim was not now discussing the accu racy of reports,. but the subject of a petition presented by the Noble Lord opposite. The SPEAKER observed that the Hon. Member was most certainly out of order. It was true that when a subject was brought forward, one Member spoke on one point, and another on a different one, till the House hardly knew upon what subject they were discussing ; the subject of the petition presented by the Noble Lord had topics in it which hail led to the discusaioa, but he must say 'lost, according to the rules of the Helm, the lion. Member was not in order. Sir 11 . 011E13T PEEL must Isy that he was extremely glad his speeches had not been reported verbatim. Lord MORPETH felt honoured by the observations of the Honourable Member opposite (Mr. Hulse), and could assure him that the subject should have Isis best attention. The object of whatever motion he might bring for ward would have the increase of adver therneuts. The Noble Lord then brought up the petition, which was ordered to lie on the ale. Mr. 'O'CONNELL presented a petition from Mr; T. Thunman, relating to the ports in Ireland ; and a pe tition from certain parishes in Wexford, complaining of distress. Mr. O'BRIEN presented a petition front the gentry, clergy, and freeholders of the county of Clue, comphining of d litres*. „ Mr; O'CONNELL supported the prayer Of the petition ; and observed, that the increase of the spirit duty in Ireland was calculated to increase illicit distillation. Mr. O'BIIIF.N presented a petition from the gantry, and other inhabitants of the county of Clare, praying fur the amendment of the grand jury laws. Mr. O'CONNELL said that the petition wait most re vpectsbly signed; and expressed his hope that the subject would be taken into serious consideration. Colonel WILSON presented a petition from the inha bitants of York, in favour of the New North Road. SLAVE TRADE. Sir ROBERT PEEL, by order of his Majesty, :pre ' sent d, copies of correspondence respecting the slave trade. FEES ABOLITION BILL On the motion of Mr. Home, the amendments made by the Houle of Lords in the Fees Abolition Bill wu'c ordered to be taken into consideration on that day six months. The lion. Member obtained leave to bring in another on the subject. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER haviur moved that the Heusi should resolve Niel! into the Com mittee of Supply, Sir 3. QUA HAM rose to propose his Resolutions on the subject of the Four and a Half per Cent. Duties. Ile must first, however, beg leave to spy a few word. on th. course pursued by his Majesty's ltfirriaters or the present occasion. Departing front the usual practice of proposing the Estimates to the House, and taking the sense of the House upon them, he understood it was the iuteution Of Ministers that night to aik for A considerable Vote of Cie dit—a vote calculated to mark the confidence of the House in those Ministers, at the very snowsuit when they foetid themselves is a situation of peculiar diffieulty and danger. Eves at an early period of the Session he, foe one, should not have been disposed to give them that mark of Cetili. deuce, much lest should he pow be disposed to give is to an Administration which had forfeited all the protni.e• which they bed made ; an Administration which had die eppointed public expectation ; an Administration which bad been weighed in the hatence, end found winning; an Administration which bad been found incompetent to conduct the affeirsof the, country with credit to themselves, or with advantage to the State.—(Hear.) —lie was con vinced that from this Administration public opinion we, rapidly receding, and he felt it war unfortunate that his Majesty should, place his confidence In it at a moment when the great mass of the nation viewed it with distrust.— (Hear.)-11e avowed that lie himself did so, and there fore never timid assent to the passing of a vote of credit as a mark of confidence to the Administration...( Hear. )—He could not concur in sanctioning a departure from the established ride of voting the .Estimates. The question which presented itself to his mind was, why there Omutd he any departure from the established rule in the present instance ? and really be found that the only argu -inente urged in its favour from the opposite benches; were founded upon a reference to the convenience of the Meiii hers of that House. • Lle might, however, be permitted to state, that in his opinion the real reason for this deviation from the established practice was, that Ministers not being able to manage the llouse of Commons, were anxious, notwithstanding the exceeding ,difilcultieti of the moment, to get rid of the Great Council of the Nation....(Cheers.) .-Now he mint bog to ask the Home if there 'flirt not many questions before them which it was proposed to delay, although they really required despatch, and might now i4e mere duly considered, sad snore advantageously disputed of, than .they could at any future period ? He did nut wish to weaken the force of the 'cerement* made ou a for mer occasion by his Hon. Friend at that aids of the Houser ; but he might, perhaps, be permitted toshince at tlie greet question of the Regency. A Regency question wan at oli times, and under all circumstances, one of infinite delicacy, inisl by two dangers was It invariably atteniled—roep„. dun on the one hand, and the struggle of peedoud. nant factions on the other. These dangers came in proportion to the debty in bringing the question US a - etili , elusion; if it were speedily terminated they were proper-, tiontbly diminished—if, on the contrary, it was pro longed, they were inealculeby increased. The risk, there. fore, run by Government is the greatest mid most wanton which could be possibly incurred.--(hear, hear.) i They could then discuss that most important question rahnly, and with the Throne full. Hereafter they West he called upon to diecues it with the Throne empty, and snith tire passions of all men excited and itiflaincl.—(Heari hear.) Were he to fellow the Right lion. Gentleman opposite through the space of history over which it hatlapleeeeel him to weeder, he then might—he was convigeed he should—be able to show that it was contrary to ;IR pre cedent, and to the principles of the Conatitutiog, Ilea toasty to defer the consideration of questions of *ugh vital interest. Why, !diking even to the Act of Willi 111., which the Eight lion. Gentleman had cited, an which declared that the duration of Parliament shout I not he limited by ter dish 'of the Monarch, he would ask if it were not determined by our ancestors to meet emergepcies of that kind--to arrange all matters touching the sugrasion, so that there should be no doubt, or difference, •oridispute .—in a word to meet all em e rge nc i es not spec i a lly provided for by the statute. There was also a remarkeh absur dity in the risk which Mi n i s t er' propose d t o ru n 'Try l w itt ! rd to d i smiss that House of Commons, as u worthy or incompetent to pronounce a decision upon th4t greet question ; yet, In the event of a demise of the Clown, it the new Parliament were not assembled, It was tat very House now said to he unfit and incompetent, whielt would be the one that should kale the wetter upon theliseite of the ()cation, white now they might have six months wherein to deliberate and to consult with the greetons Sc. vereign now' upon the Throne—the ruler of these realms —the guardian of the sueeession—and the father of his people.—(Cheers.) lie had always read and heard, and thought, and considered it a thing established, that the most important of the functions of that Musa was nar rowly to watch, and closely to examine every vote respect ing the public expenditure; and as to the settlement of the Civil List, he contended that the practice had been to settle itlortiawith upon the demise of the Crows, and previous is a dissolution. The only exception was in the case of' the sus session of his late Majesty to the Crown of his father. On that occasion Lord Londonderry counselled the dismissal of the Parliament before the settlement of the Civil List, expressly stating, however, at the same time, that it should not be drawn into a precedent, since it was recommended upon 'pedal grounds; and these were, that although there was a change in the style, title, and dignity, yet that there was not any change in the person exercising the sovereign authorit And here he must say—and it was in vain to disseuiffe—that the Civil List was one of those questions in which the people and the Crown had not precisely` the same interests. Tito Crown must natu rally desire to obtain as large a revenue as it possibly can, • • consistent with the means and with the burthens of Os people. The people, on the contrary, roust be anxioui to be*tow upon the Crown as small a revenue as was con sirtent with the decent dignity of a limited Monarch.— (Cheers.)—lie raid the decent dignity of a limited Mo- . narch, which was widely different from the ortentatiour glare of military despotirm.—(Lood cheera.)—Now it wee undeniable that the Crown exercised an influence in that [louse ; and what was the counterpoise to that int% ence ? The popular influence which was exercised when they again came before their constituents, and appeared, In the ivordt of hi• Hon. and Learned Friend the-Member for Knaresborough, to render up an account of their stewardship, and declare how they had, and for what rea sons they had, voted upon that great and nicely balanced question.—(Hear.)--He thought accordingly, that the people should not be deprived of that salutary controul. It was a novelty to attempt to deprive them of it; it was not to be expeeted that the Members of a new Howie would be actuated by the Caine strong motives to deserve the public favour as they were who were soon about to meet them whom they had been 'returned to Teprecent. .He there fore for One could not .countesiance. this novelty, and be hoped the people would avitil themselves of ano ther esoutroul which was yet . allowed to them I and that was, to come to a clear understanding with their Representatives upon this subject. In saying this, however, he bogged not to be uusunderstood. He hoped the settlement would not be .a niggardly one — but a fair, just, and liberal settlement—such as becatne.the dignity of the King of England, and the character of his people.--(Hear.)—He trusted, too, that it would be 'a settlement in commutation of all the hereditary ,posses sions of the Crown, Crown Laude, Droits of the Admi ralty, Droits of the Crown, Hereditary Revenues, end the surplus from the Four-and-a-Half per Cent. Dutiee.— ___ (Hear, hear.)—And, now to approach more immediately the subject en which he had risen. Ile would say that it wos tl.e manner in which thin fund had been managed for the hart two yearn that had induced him to turn his atten tion towards it. The Government had seemed anxious to throw a great myths' y over those smell branches of the hereditary revenue. And if he succeeded in making. out his case, he earnestly hoped and trusted that the people would not, on the approaching occasion, overlook the fact or support any candidate, who would not pledge himself to vote 'fur a civil list upon an economical scale. — But touch ing the Four-and-a-Half per cent. Dutits, it might be necessary fur him to enter into some details. He should nut, however, trouble the house by again ping over ground which had been so often trodden. He should not waste their time by showing how these Four-and. &Half per Cent. Duties had been originally granted to Cheats IL by the Colonial Legislature, in conside ration of his abandoning his feudal privileges, and con senting 'to commute the tenures into tenures by mocvnee, and to support the military establishments. Neither should he trouble them ley showing how these duties had been misapplied by this Monarch and Lis successor, James 11. ; ' or how they bed been granted to King William, as part ni his privy purse ; or hew, in the reign of Queen Anne, a re• monstrance had been addressed from the Colonists to that House; or how, in consequence, an Address was voted by the House of Commons to her 111akity, praying that ° they might be restored to their original destination. Nor vionlil he trespass upon them even to show how they were, during the subsequent part of Queen Anne's reign and , that at the two first Georges, actually restored to their original destination ; or how, by the Civil List Act of George 111., they were held to be part of the small revenues of th e Crown, and thus came to he thenceforward considered m such. Now it was not necessary for his argument to contend that they were not so, and did not fall within the limits of the Royal prerogrative ; but the question would still remain whether, if arising front usage, the absence o Mile up to 1028 was not a waiver of the prerogative? Taking fur granted, however, that the prerogative wit clear, what would the house say upon the subject? Would they say that, even supposing title, it was a justifiable exer cise of authority, upen the pat t of the late' adeisers of the Crown, to recommend the revival of that right?-..(hear.) —He would, as bearing upon the question, quote the opinion of a Crown lawyer, delivered et a period whet the doctrine of prerogative was high and much higher than at present .: Sir Homage Finch said, " The King hash a prerogative its all things net injurious to the sub jeet ; . but in all respects the King's prerogative itretcheth not to do any wrong." But .here he might be asked to explain what he meant by .prerogative ; and although nothing was more difficult than a definition, be believed he could bring forward one from a great man, and the first logical authority.the country ever produced, from whom, s from the fountain head„ they could thaw the principles which governed the Revolution. It was scarcely neces sary for hint to add, the individual he alluded to sires Locke, who said, " This power to act according wide cretion, for the public. good, without the prescription of law, and sometimes even against it, is that which is called prerogative.". lie did not stop there, hut goes on to say .—." And this power, whilst employed (or the benefit of the community, cad suitably to the trust and ends of the Uovernraent, is undoubted prerogative, and never is questioned ; for the people are far from examining prerogative, whilst it is in any tolerable degree em ployed for the use it was meant--that. is, for the good of the people, and not manifestly, against it; hut if there comes to he a question between .the Executive Power and the people about a thing claimed as a preroga tive, the tendency of the, exercise of ouch prerogative to the good or hurt of the people will easily decide the ques tion. The end of Government being the good of the com munity, whetao:ver alterations are made in it tending to that end cannot be an encroachment in any body, since no body in Government can have a right tending to any other end; twee only are encroachments which prejudice or hinder the public good. Those ,who say otherwise, speak as' if the Prince bad a distinct and separate interest from the good of the community, end was not made for it; the root and source from which spring almost all the evils and disorders which happen in Kingly GOvernments and if that be en, the people under his Government are not a society of rational creatures entered into a commu nity for their mutual good ; they are not such as have set rulers over themselves to guard anti promote that good ; but are to be looked on as a herd of inferior creature' :tinder the dominion of a master who works them for his own pleasure or profit. If nice were so void of reason and brutish as to enter into society upon such term., pre. rogative might indeed be, what 110 M men would have it, an arbitrary power to do . thiuga hurtful to the people." This was the teat which Locke supplied ; and he would 'just apply it to the present case—.or rather to some other cases. The House must not forget that Ida Majesty was peaseseed of great domains in Hanover, Now suppose his Majesty were to fancy to grow vast quantities of corn upon these domains, and to import it, as was his right, ditty tree into this country.-he put it to the country gentlemen what would be the effect produced upon their interests,' and upon the nation generally, by such a course; or what would be the opinion universally entertained of the exercise of such a right? Again, the King is by right of conquest Sovereign and liege Lord of the many of . our foreign possessions; but what would be the effect if he should fancy to import tobacco duty free from Demerara, or any other of our colintiO? . Ile saw, however, the Right lion. Gentleman was getting impatient, as if he feared he (Sir J. G.) was about to violate the compact he had entered into. It wa• his intention to keep faith. He bad in the first place waited for the Right Hon. Gentleman's statement of the meatureclie proposed to carry forward that Session ; hut in this there was M 3 mention of the 11111 then upon the Table. Resides, he mint observe that he had had no no tice of that Rill, and until he hail given notice last night he saw nothing respecting the matter upon. the paper. Notwithstanding all this, however, he would have waited patiently, but that since the arrettgewent had been made, a meet important fact had come to his knowledge, which made the . former part of the- case sink into insipid me. ; and now he begged to Ball the attention of the House to that fact which formed the very essence lie d saln in i t u n gl •y dr mannerltlastne gravamen 'o i w n f which vileisrce4h t aii h r g e tel ;a e c la te r glati respectingtstitQhne Ministry,to tlt ih e these e e t t a r mat ter. carne originally before the House. His Hon. Friend, dor Member for Aberdeen, had moved for a return of all the small revenues of the. Crowe, severally enumerating them, and including the Four-and-a-Half per Cents. A return was., brought in with a note appended, that, .in meet of an opinion given by the Attorney-General, no. had been received on sugars not subject by the Act duty, and being at the disposal of his Majesty. ' Now them see, in the first instance, what was the question' to the Attorney-Gencrel. It wee, " Whether (as it been held that no property of his Majesty is, unless' cially subject to duty, liable to the payment ot it) sugars granted to the King in kind, and not spec - 1111 7 jetted to any Act of Custom Duty, being also subj.., his Majesty's disposal, and nowapplicable to pu b l i s ob / polnted out by Parliament in-the Aet 6 Geo. IY:Aell. , (namely, the payment of the expenses of the Ecelesk ,Establishment of 'the West Indies) are liable to the ment of any . Custoni Duty ?"Now the . worth& 0( Act 6 Geo. IV. cap. 88, were..." And whereas it is pedient that the charge to be created payable, under authority of this Act, to the Bishop, Archdeacons,. Miners, and Catechists, appointed or to be appointed his Majesty as aforesaid, should be charged upon the of 4 per cent. payable to his Majesty in the West. whenever the said duties, after payment of prior charges thereof, shall afford the means of 'fraying the whole or any part of such salaries or/ lions: be it therefore enacted, that the said . and pensions shall become and be a charge upon the _ties of four and a half per centum next in priority the salaries of the Governors, Lieutenant-Governors , other public officers, payable out of those duties determination of any other charges now existing upon ; and that any and every surplus which shall time arise out of the produce of those duties, after ing all such other charges now existing therein reason of the cessation of any of those charge*, shall be applied in the first instance to defray the charges salaries and pensions to be granted under the suth of this act accordingly." But the Attorney-General. sward, he saw no reason why these sugars liable to the payment of any duty. He said—." We of opinion that the property in the sugars . in queetioe ing in his Majesty, the same are not liable to the re of any custom duty." But then. how did the Gayer act? Did they proceed nut to levy the duties? like it. On the coati ary,. they did levy the .slailesf this he should make quite clear tot the House.-. I might be sold in one of two ways...brthe short which case the purchaser paid the duty only---the price, which included the duty of the customer ;-' the produce fell under the Appropriation Act. fore it was clearly the duty of Ministers, having lo' to pay the same into the Consolidated Fund in to, the Aet. This was the course they might to takes; for there was a special appropriation under the For tise 10th of Gborge.lV., cap. 85, having " And be it further enacted, that all money! into the said Eichiquer by one other Act of this of Parliament, entitled, . ,An Act for continuing' Majesty, for one year, certain Duties. on Sugar it into the United Kiugdom, for the service of the 1 8 00.' shall be• further appropriated, -Ind are '.. propriated, and shall be issued and applied for awl, the Several uses and purposes hereafter expressed." tt This Appropriation Act went on to say..— " Aud it is hereby enacted, that the said aids plies provided as aforesaid, shall not be issued and to any use, intent, or purpose whatever, other uses arid purposes before mentioned, or for the . menu directed to be satisfied thereout, by any Act or. or any particular Clause or Clauses for that purpeep taiued in any other Act or Acts of this Session of. ment." But now, as soma as he bad ascertained that that was levied, it because necessary for him to seek. formation respecting the amount. Returos weeeA for and made by Government, from which it appse7' the actual charge on the fund for colonial uteri** amounted to, ill 1829, 42,8061. ; while the net of duties returned on these sugars amounted to .- leaving a net for 1829 of 24,1871. Now ost tliel items in 1830 there was a net surplus.of duties over the charge for salaries of 18,2641., leaving* for the two years of 42,441/. Looking at this naturally concluded this surplus had been apptit st.v expenses itistotaeibboirliii u o i ef ta l liedn t t h i e iwu N ri V tiin es k gttutelhroooleimatc:ll:loauryrgeee,ha years, e sf, s o ta ra I b tlit l ri i e s l l er s ex m pw iT ain tr oe; to this conclusion by the answer ere! Prime Minister to a question put to him Kum the` by a Noble Friend of his in another place. The used by his Grace were these—at least he took that form from what he presumed would be cot authentic source— " There can be no doubt that it is a constitutiol ciple, that the property of the Crown is not liahl duties on importation into this country. I do 00t that it is always prurient to put that principlo OS but I du meats to contend, that it is not imprudeol to in practice in this ease ; because there are lit moustancee attached to it, whicharcOot iike in any other. 1 ceutend th a t the s e funds (an tler g t k IV.) are taken outof the hands of the Creern , ,, plied under the controul and superiotendeoet a,' went, and can never he abused fur any purpose ww - ,,, After this he certainly thought it uoneosseniq '- more inquiries, especially as the Right Hon. Gar 'had .pkilged. Mouth' to meet him upon the coin ° principle; hut a rumour having reached hill' We' t surplus was nut applied to the expenses of the Church Establishment, and having found that untie age from the year 1820 to 1828 there was a er 17,0004 a year on the charge for. pension over„ meat, and that, therefore, there was a large error, thsepenaioners, a question was naturally raised ia 41 whether great interest had not been made to hale rear discharged out of the fund which had been that legerdeinain to which be alluded. On this,he fur a returwto show the magma paid in salarieet, funds provided; end he was sure the House WWI' ionished, as he hail been, when he read to thea them:- paragraph. It stated :th at the amount paid for' the Church EstaWishment was 20,0004 per this was paid from the Consolidated Feud till efe, as the state of the Four and a Half per Cent. 01401 such as to admit of their being defrayed from it ki p or in part. Nut a shilling had been paid into the. quer ; and there was now upwards of 42, 0004 _, 0 , that mysterious way, for which Government me' to account....-(Hear, hear.)—.The House wrier n°, cloyed and disgusted with the Sugar Question, ' trusted they would remember what the Chancellor Exchequer had said about the high quality of t he ' imported from the old Colonies. Taking, then, the rity of the Right Hon. Gentleman, the,' eshouldc.i that all would go to the refiner, and therefore WO, be a drawback upon all; and if so, the lout t O,Ol l wore(' be doubled ; it would amount to upwards of 0 But taking it at th e average r a t e of sugars impo rtel the old Colonies, anti saying that -one-fourth went refiner, there would be a loss of 18,0001., which' be ' to the 42,0001. r e m a i n i ng u n a c counted fur, w u j a make a total loss of 60,0001. If this, however. h!!' I ; only part of the c a se, h e might have belt P overlook it ; but filets had been two or three ,"i lately of isterferenee upon the part of the Treseurifj was uneonstitutional and dangoross in the bill tree. In the year 1817 a grant of 15, 004 0 1 made to the city of Londonderry, for the pnrer ,41 log a bridge, and this suns was to be repel by to? stslments before the year 1810; bet in 1 1121 a 'J( the Treasury was issued, suspending Ilse paymeet tu d Now here was a suspending power esttePed 4 , 1 '4 ill strry. There was another traiumetion well -eloir consideration. The whole money voted for the r`, Windsor Castle was expended in July ; and in di. .t ts i otm o a c ooce o l di f tit a edot4h v be o ury t t: : t no t ag reed d n jo s u , l. t rl rs o i t j t o re o l o t f o . t o h f e dflours, , :. iOOlOO O Now here was a case of oupercession of the fund tire House of Commons. And lastly, in the P r ` th w e as thr a se d u iree ta t te v a i i o n la a tio a t o l les ll ::u stPuP;4l . accordinly high time to come to some understen`aii The mos t wholesome and the greatest Pril lia !le House of Commons he had always u nderstoA .040 (lend to monist in the power of wa tching erver i : l l l tromping the public expenditure ; anti so lung ee ! in full force, so long, and no longer, might the 001 the people be secured. He was not, sonieerl'li , posed to rest satis fi ed with 4 measure which i r e '. prospective. In the yea. 1805, 11r. Pitt , in; Made of his power, was glad to take a Bill of J a 'O. .from that side of the House, when he- he' l girl : e plied, in a ease of urgent necessity, 60,000 t O -7 :1 a loan, and save the public credit. The loan hat-1 - Cocoon , ' end the cootractor was mar to make - contract without 'Awl Mr. Pitt was consequentll, t lad to supply Ibis money, which the house bad etn' 4 o s 4 l, other purpose. Arid yeti.iii this case, Mr. Pitt 01' "'idled, but glad to take a Bill of Indemoiii' .. ..ii not mean to impute eorrut moire* to the prnit p i t i hr i s us r e : a : ills : o n: h i : l i conceived eevfel tal igatoof til l : t t he i r iitei i c al o i l p : ru l i l e c i t i;e 1 ° gi b e :: 101 l ' of I . :7: feted e° page by unnoticed, or unrensarkerl bY .7.. strongly enforced, were the beet bulwarks of 5",,, , , of the people--(Cheers)—and Ire considered a tbr d no, 4 support they would afford those privilogoit " manner ill wh4th they could secure this perteei!e : _ dal ) by hold resolutions of their own. Such was: l , le ,, t ~ of their aneestoes e met ire would reed a reeol tros , 16th of MI. 1711, which he thought oppiied_ti) 4 r• • , T:.- . - ~ ..i , - . • V,,:?phj,.. -•::-,:- ..,-,c, , .,71, ,,,,, ,„41.r. , - l e . e t eescetweeice,...ee. e ace e ce reeeff ee e eseee ae era.,,,, ~ . .. . ~ , •, , , : •• I /41 :. . .. - ~....... . , , • ',e . 7. p u bli c o pi n i o n, a n d criticised the conduct of accommodetion might he a ff orded to the reporters thin* —the guardian of the successien—and th e f a ther of hiebrought in with a note appended, that,. tot public men, to make those observations on the el o- they at present enjoyed. people.—(Cheers.) lie hail always read and heard, and of an opinion given by the ,Attorney-General, no eV:, .. oil reraingo of Members of that House they should think fi t. Mr. sritlNG 111 OE, in explanation, did riot coinplain thought, and considered it a tidng established, that the hail been received on sugars not subject by the Ace ., ,,. of B u t lie was sure the House would agree with him that if of the accuracy of the reports, what ' he complained of most important of the functions of that House was nar- duty, and being at the disposal of his Majesty. ' Neer ' • ass the conduct of any Member was represented in eWcwsPsitcr was a comment upon his public conduct in that House. rowly to watch, and closely to examine every vote respect- them see, in the fi rst instance, . what was the questioisi i hi contemn' e• , us i directly contrary to that which, in point of fact, it Lord ItIORPETu should be inclined next Session to ing the public expenditure; and se to the settlement of the to the Attorney- amend. It was, " Whether (as tie., • out hail been, it wee the duty of that Member in the most adopt the suggestion of the Hon. Member fur Staffordshire, Civil List, he contended that the practice had been to settle been held that no property of his Majesty is, unless •'.: ' unrestricted manner to set himself right. A statement he did not construe the bileoce of Governme nt into appro.' it.foetiewith upon the demise of the Crown, and previous cially subject to duty, liable to the payment of it) e , . w , DII- had been circulated among his Irish constituents , (lan et , t hat proposition. to a dissolution. The only exception was in the case of sugars granted to the King in kind, and not spec - 114s le i.e. calculated to inflict not only a personal injury •'O4M. W. RIL)LEY said, the nember of advertise- the suesession of his late Majesty to the Crown of his jetted to any Act of Custom Duty, being also subject : t foie hut a practical injustice upon him, and which lie stunts which appeared in each newspaper clearly showed father. On that occasion Lord Londonderry counselled the his Majesty's disposal, and nowapplicab le to p uidie oh' i'y should take the liberty of setting right. It had that st tax on newspapers dill not operate as a disadvantage dismissal of the Parliament before the settlement of the premed out by Parliament in-.tile Act 8 Geo. Wee* . iu Wen said in two of the Irish newspapers that the to newspapers: But be thought a teductien'on newspapers Civil List, expressly stating, however, at the same time, (namely, the paymeet of the expenses of the Ecclesi " , Ilia lion. Member for Limerick, whom his constituents hail desirable. that it should not be drawn into a precedent, since it wise •Establishment of the West Indict) are liable to the ' inn entrusted with their confidence, hail declared before the Mr. HUME thought this a moat impertent question. recommended upon special grounds; and these were, that ment of any ,Custom Duty?" Now the . worth of . . • rte, Parliament of England, that the Catholics of Ireland If the reduction of texatien on claret, supposing it to be although there was a change in the style, title, and dignity, Act. 6 Geo. IV. cap. 88, were...-e , And where.is it 11 at were unworthy of confidence! He took upon himself, good, would be the means of increasing the revenue, on yet that there was not any change in the person exercising pedient that the charge to be created payable, under, no in the face of the Commons, surrounded by many who the same priuciple the reduction of taxation on news- the sovereign authority And here he must say—and it- authority of this Act, to the Bishops, Archdeacon' ion- had h e ard his statement, and inviting contradiction papers would here the same effect. Ile begged the was in vain to dissestfle—that the Civil List was one of misters, and Catechists, appointed or to he appointed and from say one individual—he took on himself to House to observe what took place In America, where those questions in which the people and the Crown had his Majesty as aforesaid, should be charged upon the d km+ deny in the moat flat, direct, and unrestricted lean ' there were more ,advertistmenti in one town (New York) not precisely` the same interests. The Crown must natu- of 4i f per teat. payable to his Majesty in the Weld. , ...! nor that ever l i e h a d uttered such an expression, and that in the whole of 'London. Ills • Honourable Frien d rally desire to obtain as large a revenue as it possibly can , whenever the said duties, after p ayment oft . uch to charecterise t h e statement lie alluded to as one of the hail observed that he thought the Governinent duty consistent with the means and with the burthens of the prior charges thereof, shall afford the means of :', tier foullest enierepreeentations ever circulated in Ireland. Ile on advertieernents of Ss. 6d. "was not much ; but when people. The people, on the contrary, must be anxious to fraying the whole or any part of such salaries or •. ' to a did not, and could nut have stated that the Roman 6d. snore Was added, he must be allowed ti say that bestow upon the Crown as small a revenue as was ctn. lions :. be it therefore enacted, that the maid lel • • -4, ,,, !rest Catholics were unworthy of confidence. He was the that struck out a great portion of advertisements. No - sistent with the decent dignity of a limited Monarch.--and pensions shall become and be a charge- upon the ' _ s. 'ere last person that could have wished such an opinion to have thing could be of m or e im p ortance than the reduction of (Cheers.)--He sa id t h e d ecent di gn ity o f a li m it e d Mo e ties of four and a half per centum next in priority 0,,W, 'ring prevailed. The course he had taken was this :-- He said duty on advertisements. He had no doubt if the duty on ad- starch, whi c h w as wid e ly di ff eren t f r om the ostentatious the salaries of the Governor" Lieutenant-Governors, ICS ~,: that the House ought to watch with jealousy any motion v e rtis e r nen ts was reduced to Is. the revenue woeld. in the ' glare of military despotism .--( Lord cheers .) — Now it other public of fi cers, payable out of those duties after! r g e. the lion . Member fur Cleve might tiring in on the subject long rim be considetahly in creased. The tea 0 0 news- wasundeniable that the Crown exercised an influence in determination of any other. charges now existing 11 ' /4 the of the Catholics, not that he meant the House to under- p a p er , was a t ax on th e diffusion of knowledge, it was that House ; and what was the counterpoise to that influ- upon ; and that any and every surplus which shall et sr in stand the lion. Member would bring in any Hill that was Whit lie must designate as an eati•Christiale Wm— ence I ' The popular influence which was exercised when time arise out of the produce of thoee duties, after deke . slay. not deserving of the approbation of the House, but that (Laughter.) Ile trusted the Noble Lad opposite ( 1 4" - they again Caine before their constituents, and appeared, ing all such other charges now existing thereulmnii' -e ould he thought it was touch better for the Protest/into o f polo would press this measure is a nother Session. The 'ln the words of his Hon. and Learned Friend the Member reason of the cessation of any of time charge*, when go ; t ~, this country to legislate for tketintelvee on the subject of it„ ua , o f Commons h e k new , a nd he trusted Ministers, for Knareshorough, to render up an account of their be applied in the first instance to defray the charges 0 1 1 tided the Protestant Church in Ireland. He, therefore, coin- would likewise go with bins. He trusted the, time stewardship, and declare how they had, and for what rea- salaries and pensions to be granted under the a ' it of plained of this statement, not only became it had been en*. was Sot far remote when the duty on paper eons they had, voted upon that great and nicely balanc e d of this act accordingly." But the Attorney-General t 4 ci l iated in the newspapers, but because it had been would be taken off a lt oge th e r . '. The Peper-macre Sit the q uestion . —( Hear . ) -- H e thought accordin g l y, th a t th e swered, he saw no reason why these sugars shoa l .., , pu t . taken out, printed, and circulated among his constituents. pretend moment were in the great possible diltresel but he people should not be deprived of that salutary controul. It liable to the payment of any duty. He said----" we : i wt.. lie would not enter into a controversy iu newspaper. with bad no hesitation in saying, if the duty was taken off was a novelty to attempt to deprive th e m o f it; it wa s no t of opinion that the property in the sugars in quest O n.. L ''' y left any m e n, nut be had taken the liberty openly in that paper altogether, this country would become the menu- to be expeeted that the Members of a new House would li e ing in his Majesty, the same are not liable to the Pa/' .• • lars. House, in the way in which every intlepentleut Member lecturer of paper (as it was at the present moment of cot- actuaeed by the Caine strong motives to deserv e the publi c of any custoin duty." But then how did the Govern •;''. d s, ought, when he had been grossly iniorepresented, to slats ton goods) for the whole world. He hoped the Chancellor favour as they were who were soon about to meet them act? Did they proceed nut to levy the duties? Not f r with how the f a ct was, and for the indulgence with which the of the Exchequer would be prepared to come to the House whom they haul been 'returned .to represent. He ther e - like it. On the cents ary, they did levy the .dutlee . ; ~. • c House had beard him he felt indebted. next Session with a repeal of the tax on paper altogether. fore' for One could not . countenance. this 'novelty, and this he should make quite clear tat the House. ~'vl,i'. e die. Colonel SHITHORPE gave his hearty support to stir Mr, DAVENPORT wished to make a few observe. he hoped the people would .avail themselves of ono- might be sold in one of two ways...by...the abort Ft, t that was, to come to a clear ~ understanding Welt petition, persuaded that the greater the circulation of lion) relative to the great utility that would result from thee esontroul which was yet . allowed to them ; and which case the purchaser paid the duty Duly-'the Nil and, newsespere the snore would society ho bene fi ted, havingeerbatim reports. with price, which included the duty of the customer ;al d 7 . 1 ,, . I t o_ and th e eel y w a y by which that circulation could be in- Lord HOWICK felt coulliellied to call the Hon. Member their Representatives upon this subj e ct. In saying the produce fell antler the Appropriation Act. 71 : 1,ipa ad . : c rease d, wou ld h e by a reduction of the heavy taxation.— to order. The Holies was not now discussing the moo- this, however, he b e gg e d no t t o he nu sun derstoed. H e fore it was clearly the duty of Ministers, having -4 . .0. c this It th ere we r e any inaccuracy in the reports of the pre- racy of reportes• lost the subject if a petition presented by hoped the settlement w o uld no t be a s i gga rdly,, o ne— to pay the same into the Consolidated Fund in °l' • that ceedinge in that Howie, certainly the reporters ought not to the Noble Lord opposite. but a fair, just, and liberal settlement—ouches became the to the Act. This was the course they on ght to : be he lmet ], but lion. Members had themselves to blame. The SPEAKER observed tha t t he Hon. Member was dignity of the King of England, and the character of hi e taken, for there was a special appropriation.under the For , ut- Indeed it Was a universal surprise that the reports should most cert a inly ou t o f or d e r . It was true that when a people.—(floss .)-- Ile trusted, too, that it would be 'a For the 10th of George IV, eap. 85, 'mein dee! r c ,he in general he so accurate. It wee the opjuion of Mr, subject wall !nought forward, one Member spoke on one settlement in commutation of all the hereditary , posses. " And be it further enacted, that all money! cu t Justice Blackstone, Mt. Burke, arid the late Dr . Pal e y, p o int, a n d smellier on a different one, till the house hardly shins of the Crown, Crown Lauds, Droits of the Admi_ into the said Exchequer by one other Act of this , . weer that the publication of every thing connected with that knew upon what subject they were discussing ; the rat', Droits of the Crown, Hereditary Revenues, and the of Parliament, entitled, eAn Act for continuing 4 i uy, H ouse , as we ll as the Lords, was a must d e sirable subject of the petition presented by the Noble Lord had outlaws from the Four-eind.a.flalf per C e nt, Duties .— Majesty, for one year, certain Duties on Sugar in'llle object. lie could himself urge thousetels of A rguments topics in it which had led to the discussion , but he must (Hear, hear. ). -)—And, now to approach more immediately into the United Kingdom, for the service of t hin r 4 ' o w in f av our of the liberty of the Press.—(Loudclieers.)— fey tarot, +According to the rules of the Helm, the Hon. the subject on which he hash risen. HW 4 He wo u ld sa y th a t it 1829,' shall be. further appropriated, and are OW' To what were all the great public irtetitutient in- Member was not in order. wes tl.e manner in which this fund had been managed for p ropriated , deleted, iu comparison with the announce of the Prtst ? Sir ROBE PEE mRT L ust Icy that years that had induced him to turn his mi e n lie was extremely the last two and shall be issued and applied for and 1, . the Several uses and purposes hereafter expressed.!' t' Nothing. Under such circumstances, Gel folliiil glad his sp e eches had not been reported verbatim. time towards it. The Government had seemed anxious to This Appropriation Act went on to say.- ), hereditary revenue. And if he succeeded in making out Plies ei aids doll Or th a t h e s h ou ld ever he supposed to entertain an Lord MORPETH felt honoured by the observations of throw a great mystery over those small branch es o f t he " And it is hereby enacted, that the emu - •••'' opinion or do any thing calculated to abridge the the Honourable Member opposite (Mr. Hunie e r a . lib er ty o f th e Press , or to prevent the Press front taking and could assure him that the subject should have his his case, lie earnestly hoped and tru s t e d that - t h e peop l e to any use, intent, o r purpose whatever, other th e ?: Provided as aforesaid, shall not be issued and sP • • , u p th e co nduct o f that House as a public hotly—a right hest attention. The object of whatever nlotion he would hoe on the approaching occasion, over l oo k th e f act w hi c h the p res s w a s entitled to eon:mood, and which the might bring t i n ward would have the increale of wive , - or support any candidate, who would n o t pl e d g e hi mse lf to merits directed to be satis fi ed thereout, by any Act e r '.. tioenieuts. The Noble Lord then hreught up the petition, vote for a civil list upon an economical scale. But touch- UM and purposes before mentioned, or for the other or Houle bad no right to deny. Alr. LITI'LETON felt great satisCaction in supporting which was ordered to lie on the table. or any particular Claire or Clauses for that pure; ' k , s ing the Pour-and-a-Half per c en t. Duti e s, it might he tained in any other Act or Acts of this Session of l' 3 , .., ~.soil. the petition brought forward by the Noble Lo r d, Of Mr. ' O ' CONNELL presen t e d a p e tition from Mr, T. necessary fur him to enter into some details. He whoa d ntent." doll trot" his own knowledge he knew that these were tenons with Fla / Inman, re l a ting to t h e por t s i n b e h ol d ; anti a pc- nut, however, trouble the House .by again ring over But now, as soots as he bad ascertained tha t the iii,,, Coo' a n i nco me of two ter tine* hundred per ennui:ear well able tition from certain parithee in Wexford, eomPlaining of growls! which had been so often trodden, He i s h ot ee was levied, it became necessary for him to seek "" in per Cent. Duties had been • originally 'panted that to exercise a round judgment int every eubject &trees. not %%ate their tissue hy showing how these po ur _ an a. formation respecting the amount. Returns efee e .e ° that Cattle before the public, as any set of lien Mr. O'BRIEN presented a petition from the gentry, a , eta •nue it i ts th e universe, but who were pree'udell from 1)144011g clergy, and freeholders of the county of Clare, complaining to Charles 11. by the Colonial Legislatur e , i n c-onsiele_ f t o h r e a a n c tl tu i: l ale a b r y ge Go o v n er t n he me ru n n t, d fro fo tu r w co h l i , c m h ia i l t app'" r e . p ra yer of the petitlon ; suiting , w commute the tenures auto tenures by moceage, . e ' that extensive knowledge which they otherwios would of distress, I ration of his aliandoning his feudal peivileges, and con. amounted to, in 1829, 42,8061. • ; while the net • fir J. procure, were it in their power to take iu &daily newspaper, Mr: O'CONNELL supported the of duties returned en these sugars amounted to ' rhos' h e t which th e y could not do, because it would cost them and observed, that the increase of the spirit duty in Ireland and to support the military establishments. N e ll i el leaving a net for 1829 of 24,1871. Now on the t wrs mu i I d ,'"' 10/. or 111. per annum. The reprice of a country mewl. was calculated to increase illicit distillation. ' he trouble theta by showing how these duties hid been items in 1830 there was a net surplus of duties. le t he paper wee generally set more than fifty or sixty shillings Mr. O'BRIEN presented a petition from the gentry, awl misapplied by this Monarch and his sucees to r, James 11. ; over the charge for salaries of 18,254/., leaving.* a year, and yet he knew that the very, first indul- other inhabitants of the county of Clare, praying fur the or how they bed been granted to King William, as p a rt of for the two years of 42,441/. Looking at this ! creed puce w hi c h t h e E ng li s h y eo m e n were obliges! to deprive amendment of the grend jury laws. his privy pour; or hew, in the reign of Queen Anne, a re• naturally concluded this surplus had been appli u themselves of was, that of continuing to take in one of Mr. O'CONNELL raid that the petition was most re- monstrance had been addressed front the Coloni.te to th a t expenses of the West India church establishment , sober those pap e rs, and whiell be could not but regard es a epectably rimier' ; and expressed his hope that the subject House; or how, in consequence, en Address was voted by it nearly tallied with the sum charged for the expeaS e ! , public hardship—a. public grievance .—( Meer, bear. ).-: would be talon into serious 4 :m41(10. 4 6m the House of Cummons to her Alajeety, praying that 'they establishment during these two years, and he wan ' 'stoup Ile contended that a small duty upon newspapers would Colonel WILSON presented a petition from the iplia- might be restored to their origins! destination. Nor-wrath' sistibly to this conclusion by the answer give n - • double their circulation, and that, by a redaction of the hitante of York, in favour of the New North nod , he trespass upon them even to show how they were, Prime Munster to a. question put to him upon the IN ki ' advertisement duty, the revenue wou dbe beneficial] to a SLAVE TRADE. during the subsequent part of Queen Anne's reign and that by a Noble Friend of his in another place. The', .. I ion- eensid e rable amount. lie roust say that the Curt duly of Sir ROBERT PEE!., by order of his Majesty, :pre- of the tutu first Georges, actually restored to their original used by his Grace were these—at least he teat. , th e L e gislature was to provide for the education of seeded, copies of correspondence respecting the slave trade. destination ; or how, by the Civil List Act of George 111., that form from what he presumed would be consider the people, and be could see no means by which that FEES ABOLITION BILL. they were held to he part of the small revenues of th e authentic source— , d o i ng d u ty good be i nmeeffectually accomplished then by placing Ott this ;notion of Mr. Hume, the amendments made Crown, and tutus came to be thenceforward considered m " There cast be no doubt that it is a conotitutionil duties on. importation into this country. I do opt 0 tike up i n the hands of the people, is extensively as possible, the hey the Howie of Lords in the Fees Abolition Bill were such. Now it was not necessary for his argument to ciple, that the prop er ty of the crown is not liable • ' remit- 'Mews of educated Inas. lie trusted the Noble Lord would ordered tu be Wien into consideration on that day six comae' that they were not so, and ditl not fall within the but Ido mean to contend, that it is not imprudent 0 iti. m i, e „ t early i n ti m next Session bring forWartl some measure tot months; file Hon. Measlier obblined leave to bring in limits of the Royal prerogrative ; hut the question wool thrall , is always prudent to put that principle /0 Pr ' still remain whether, if arising frosts usage, the absence of which the *Object. But if the Noble Lord did not, lie trusted surf a another on the subject. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY. Merge up to 1028 was not a waiver of the prerogative? • in practice in this case; because there are pr t r ri; 1,100 h ave as opportunity of seeing who were the Alembers who, The CHANCELLOR of Ilse EXCHEQUER having 'faking for granted, however, that the prero g ative w a s cunistances attached to it, whieleare,eot likely toy' e.I press• other lion. Member would, in order that the people might discharged their deity to moved that the Heusi should resolve half into the Coin- clear, what would the House say upon the subject? Would in any other. I centend that these funds (oiler ~ lik IV.) are taken outof the.hands of the Creecoel, ',,, the(' under the controul and superiotendenee i . el , ' they say that, even supposing this, it was a justifiable exer- . mittee of Supply, a ter w t i l t i l e i I t t u y s t p h eo ci i r d v e. otre upon that occasion, 1 tine Mr. O'CONNELL was quite convinced of this inability si r e, Gi tA ffAm rose to propose hi e R e solutions int eise of authority, upon the pair of the law adeisers of the I mint, and can never be abused fur any parpOSe " a :, r rn the of hie Honourable Friend to state any thing ro inaccurate the subject of the Four and a 'Wiper Cent. Duties. Ile Crown, to recommend the revival of that right?- ..( Hear.) . t h„ t as t h a t which was imputed to him ; but he Was at th e Inuit first, however, beg leave to arty a few words eu lb' —tie would, as bearing upon the question, quote th e delivered at a period when After this he certainly thought it uonecesearY ' - ' t . more inquiries , especially as the Right lion. G e . l ; n the same tissue surprised at hi s H ow F r i e nd's a bili t y t o state, course 'imputed by Ins Majesty's Ministers or the patent opinion of a Crown lawyer, he last at this distance of tinw, what he had actually said, uccaeion. D epar ti ng i o f rom tee usual practice of proposing the doctrine of prerogative seas • hi g h en d muc h higher had pledged himself to meet Lim upon the co w l .: : r a, me i E ver y body who knew hie Hon. Friend, knew hint tube is- the .Estimates to the House , and Liking the sense of the than at present. Sir Heneage ri n ch s a id, tr Th e Ki ng principle; bat a rumour haring reached him I t surplus was nut applied to the expences of the NV° e Morn. tiepattle of stating what th e anon ym o us publications alluded Home upon thesis, he understood it was the nitration of hsth s prerogative in all things net injut•iints to the sub- age from the year 1820 to 1828 there was 3 lathe, to had imputed to Wm. But be the misrepresentations eliuisters tiles night to ask fora considerable Vote of C,e- jest ;. but in all seeped{ the King's prerogative eiretcheth Church Estehlishment, and having found that on en ' i would what they might, they occurred from the clumsy way in dit—a vote calculated tie mark the con fi dence of the House no t t o d o any wrong." But -litre he might be asked to use f u l which r e ports were given in that House. It would he better in those Ministers , at the very toonieut when they foetid explain what he meant by -prerogative ; an d a lthou g h. 17,0001 , a year on the chary for , pensione over I dial i war ato have somebody responsible for their reports in that themselves is a situation of peculiar diflleulty and clinger. uothing was more dif fi cult than a de fi nition, be believed ment, and that, therefore, there was a large arresri,o.. , e rti ae . limas, fur under the prudent system every one did Si be Eves at au early period of the Session Ise, foe one, should he could bring forward one from a great man, and the fi r st. tlist'pensioners, a (motion. was naturally railed in I 'oo l ferriten pleased, and no one was Answerable. out have beeu diopmed to give them that mark of leetsli- logical authority the country ever produce], fron t whom, whether great interest had not been made to lor l . 31) , q ,,. r Me. E. DAVENPORT approved of the petition deuce, much less should he now he disposed to give ut to its from the fountain beatlethey could draw the prin c iple' s rear discharged out of the fund which had Wen re' emelits which was presented, and was anxious that the an Administration which hid forfeited all the PrOtni.ea which governed the Revolution. It was scarc e ly nem o that legerdemain to which he alluded. On this lid .... rof the repents should go forth properly in the newapaperi.— which they lead made ; an Administration which had di .- soy for him to add, the individual he alluded to iris for a returiato show the , amount paid in relative liar ion th e But lie would ask, what would become of the appointed public expectation ;an Administration Which Locke, who said, " This power to act ac c o r ding t ee the funds provided; and h -0 WAS cure the House Woul' l L it ✓ enter tittle of the Home, if every must who was mitt- had been weighed iu the balance , and fuund waiting ; cretion, for the public, good, without the prescription of tonialted, 'as he had been, when he read to them 1 ' i how- reprotenteil should maks a statement to the Hume of tut Administration which bad been found incompetent to law, andeennetimes even against it, is that which i• called paragraph , It elated abet the lotwout Paid fired l imier these inierepresentations? What, he would ask, could conduct the affeirsof the, country with credit to themeelves, prerogative .". Ile did not atop there, hut g oe s on t o say the Church Establishment was 20,000/. per 0..... lower. he more easy than for a body like dist to levee repot tete or with advantage to the State.—(Hear.)--ile was con- ei-e" And this power , whilst employed for the b ene fi t 01 this was paid from thcConsolidated Feud till 00 , r . H s of its own, sworn to report every word that passed viewed that from this Administration public opinion was the cononunity, and suitably to the trust and end s of t h e as the state of the Four and a Half per Cent. MCP'. umnt ha in that House accuratelv—(Great laughter) —or ma rapidly rec e ding, and he felt it War unfortunate that leis Government, le undoubted prerogative, and n ever i s such as to admit of their hieing defrayed from it aft • _ . e, .. _ a ..• , . e ..:., se .. the 1. roar,