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FRENCH PAPERS. (From Galignani's Messenger, of Tuesday, March 12.) The ak'toobian Mercury has the fallowing Rome, dated Feb. 24 : " Yesterday the s question of a, obViiiti_ to=the MintstrY was decided.. Cardinal Bernettk leitbeto Abe _only Mini. ster, keeps the Departmentsof.:•Foieiglx Affairs, of. the Police, and the Army ; and M. Gamberini takes the De. partment of the Interior, and is to have the superintendence of all the branches of the Administration. - It is said that Ca dinal Rernetti himself proposed the change." • ' The Neckar Gazette has the following from Warsaw, dated Feb. 18 : " We are still in a state of suspense as to our political organ'zation. Every thing wears %temporary aspect; and, although eighteen months have elapsed since the -fall of Warsaw, vet the Administration is wholly military, and in the palatinates it is presided by Russian Generals. This system often produces, in civil eases, collisions injurious to tl e parties between the Chief Pr, sident and the Go.. vernor-General. The organic statute which is to be our Constitution, but which is scarcely of the value of a simple otd, nnance, as according to one of its provisions the Emperor can modify it when he. pleases, has, since its publication, received more of the deve lopments which it required. Thus the protests of France and England against that act have been without re-ult. We la ceive no political news ; yet Many thing occur of which foreign countries are informed very late. Towards the end of January 60,000 Russians passed the Pruth. One-halt that army was composed of Lithuanians and Poles. .A considerable corps was collected . between Kiero and the sea, but it is tint known for, What - purpose. In Poland there are scarcely 30,000 Russian troops ; hut the walk- , of the citadel which command the capital are being carried on with great activity. As soon as the na vigatian is open again, we expect 480 pieces:of artilleiy from Cronstadt, by Dantzic, destined for Warsaw. Last year cannon were sent to Modlin by the same channel." (From the Journal du commerce of Tuesday.) PARIS, MARCH 11.—The Neckar Gazette announces that. 60,000 Russians passed the Pruth in January and February last. There is nit a little boldness in venturing on such an assertion. Every body knows that at that season the only conveyance is by sleds. s. and that troops cannot he remitted by that means. B.sides, movements of troops in Bessarabia are impoaaible front October to May, the country being at that time impaasat,e. This news. th- refors, is unfounded. It is also well known that Russia has not 30,000 men on that whole frontier, as far as 0 tessa. Dr. Bowring set out from Paris yesterday for Bor deaux, for the purpose, it is said, of inquiring into the means of - extending the commercial intercourse between England and that part of Franc-. M. Villiers, his eague, remains at Paris. (From the Journal du Commerce.) PARIS, MARCH 11.—After arguing that France ou2lit to be indemnified for the expense of her expeditions in Belgium, the Journal remarks:—" Can the parties who signed the treaty of 15th November suffer the execution of this their common engagetnent to remain a charge upon that party who under oak it ? If we consider the ques ti,ri in another point of view, ought riot the burden of tie coercive measares to fall u;inn the patty which, by his hostility, provoked them ? Would it not be an injus tice to relieve this party from it, and throw it upon 11 I giurn, who has twice s fined the treaties proposed by the Conference, and thus give to Holland a premium of en couragement to persevere in ter present system ? Let it be reflecteo, moreover, that if such i- the situation into which Belgium is to be placed by her neutrality, that at every execution of the guarantee promised her by the great Powers, she is to be loaded with the expenses of the war, she can have moiling to look f rwaro to but dependence and ruin. It is the more proper to consider the questi.in in this light, as the ne v State was, by the policy of Europe, excluded frotn all participation in the siege of Antwerp, though possessing an army of 120M00 men, and consequently it is unreasonable to impose on Belgium the charge of an expedition formed in the interests of Europe, whose consineratio , s will, no doubt, be duly appreciated by diploin tits in due time and place. At present we are ofopinion that Holland ought to be made to pay the expenses of artnamen's, which slit alone occasioned, unless Belgium should be allowed to reim burse herself, by retaining the amount out of the por tion of the joint debt which is to fall upon her." BRUSSELS PAPERS. BRUSSELS, Maacti 10.—Yesterday evening at seven o'clock, a courier with despa.ehes from Paris arrived at the Department of FOreign Affairs. He was sent back to Paris an hour afterwards. Bonds of the Rothschild Loan, for a capital of 51,408 francs, have been deposited to-day at the Department of the Minister of Finance, to be converted into insci iptioss in the great hook of the public debt of Belgium, in the name of his Grace, Arthur Duke of Wellington, Prince of Waterloo. Yesterday the Queen of the French gave an audience to the French wounded. She spoke to them in the kindest manner, and c.used in , nry to be distributed among them. They were highly pleased with their reception. All those wounded, except some whom it is impossible to remove, will set out for France to-day. E ich of them has received a present of 100 francs. The brevets for the Be•gians who have received the cross of the legion of honour arrived yesterday from Paris. It is observed that there is one for Count Felix de Merode. BRUSSELS, MARCH 11.—Baron de Stockmar and his brother have arrived here from Germany. The Minister for Foreign Affairs, who received a cou rier from Paris on Saturday evening, and sent him back soon afterwards, yesterday despatched another courier to Pais. It is affirmed that he had received information of a motion made by M. Mauguin, to charge Belgium with the expenses of the expeditions of 1831 and 1832, and that lie ha. instructed M. le Hon to declare that the Bel gian Government will not pay in any case, whatever may be the decision of the French Chambers. A letter tram Doel, of March 9, says—" Yesterday afternoon, the Dutch fleet advanced. Besides the nine gun boats which have been for some time between Lillo and Liefkenshoek, two corvettes, a steam• boat, and two gun-boas, have taken positions from the village of Doel to Old Duel. BRUSSELS, MARCH 12.—Their Majesties, with the Queen of the French, the Dake of Orleans, and Princess Maria, went to the theatre yesterday morning, and were welcomed on their entrance with the greatest enthusiasm. The Queen of the French will go on Wednesday to Antwerp, and on the 18th her Majesty will set out to re turn to Paris. The Duke of Orleans will set out fur Paris to-night.— Rrussels Papers, March 13. MuNicir, MARCH 4. —The proceedings against Baron Von Stein, who was accused of high treason, have been terminated by the declaration of the Court of Appeal that he is not guilty. The Baron, who had been confined ever since the 16th of Dec. last year, in the new prison in this city, was immediate y set at liberty.—Frankfort Papers, March 14. DU CCH PAPERS. Tite Hamm, nakacit 10:I-In the sitting of the Second Chamb r of the States-General, on the 9 It, a motion %as made by M Van Nes tot an ad less to bi• NI. j.sty, repre senting ;hat it is the opinion of the States-G-ner•al, that the discussion on the budget would be much facilitatela and sitoplifi.d, if the sev rid chapters of which it is coin posed, instead of bring all inc.uded in one project of law, were kept quite distinct, a separate project b,ing as,ignea to each. The motion of M. Nas was ordered to be printed, and referred to the sections for ex anination. MARCH 12.—M. Drdel, lately our Minister Plenipoten thsry from his Majesty to the Gaut of Madrid, se, out yesterday from the Htgue for Landon. Baron Van Zuylen is expected iu a few days. We hear that the men belonging to the Schuttery, not in actual service, and belonging to the service, are not to be exercised in arms at present, and the exercising ;if the landeturm is to be de . erred till further orders, because neither are thought necessary at prtsent. We hear th it a willingness has been expressed in Lon don to resume the negotiations with the successor of Baron Van N)evelt. LILLO, MARCH 9.—Some!hing occurred last night which made us suppose that the Belgians had some per. Minus intention.whatever it may have be• nit fatted. A number of them lay in ambush at ti.e North &ince, whence they seemed to intend to attack our posts. They we e dis covered, and fired some musket-shot, and then r, treated to a place near the date, from which they were driven by us some cannon shot. The d4rkness of the night hindered seeing what loss they sustained. We bad no trona body wounded., GEES lAN PAPERS. RESISTANCE TO THE LAE r OF FRANKFORT. W The conduct of the irtemburg Cnamber of Deputies begins to excite great tiOxirt at Fiaiiktort, and a priv letter, dated the 7i.h y conta in s the following para ate graph:— It the Chamber of Deputies of Wirtemburg shall make a Mud foi t4O- convOtUtlunid Ll:ten* of Gersuttuy, its example will Woo be followed in a multitude of lesser states. Should the King dissolve the Chamber, he will find the same Deputies returned by the people." The following is the conclusion of the report of the Wirtemhurg Deputies to their King, as given in the Journal of Stottgardt " Sire,—A rescript has been presented to us by coin. mind of your Majesty, which has induced us to make the following respectful representations. It is slid in the r script that the Chamber will hasten to reject with indignation a motion concerning the resolution come to by the Germanic Diet on the 28th of June. 1832. In consequence we feel ourselves bound to de e, in the most positive manner, that every Member of this Chamber has a right to the most free expression of his opinions, and is in duty bound to do so if he tears that the Constitution is threitened with violation, from whit ever side that violation may proceed. The motion is en tered upon the list of the proc-edivgs of the Chamber, and we cannot allow it to be withdrawn ; nor can we suffer 'ourselves, in deciding upon it, to be ruled by any other in fluence than our own consciences. We cannot, thece fore, repel this motion with indignation, but, on the con trary. feel ourselves bound to protect the freedom of the Chamber. and the responsibility of each of its Members from any violent interference in the progress of their legis• lative labours." (Here follow the signatures.) NM a single voice was raised against this report, and the Chamber unanimously decided that it should be taken into consideration on the Monday. The public were re strained with difficulty from expressing their approbation by plaudits. MARYLEBONE ELECTION. A public meeting of the electors of Paddington was assembled on Wedne•dsv to hear Mr. Hope's sentiments; Sir JASPER NICHOLS, K.C.8., in the Chair. Mr. FRESLIFIELD proposed a resolution of support to Mr. Hope. . _ . Mr. WHITE, in seconding the motion, could not refrain from expressing his gratitude to the late Mr. Hope, by supporting his son on the present occasion. He referred t the former's exertions in the Vo•unt•ers many years ago— G , eat laughter)- -also tie great itnrovcment hr had effected Omit erlanit.gste. as evid-nee of his patri"tic sp rit. Mr. RAIKES CURRIE then presented himielt to the meeting (which had now b,come much more numerous than at fist), and was received with applause. He said, he re di) , was on this occasi• n, although it was somewhat hackneyed phrase, reluctant to address the meeting ; but he had thought th ut he was to h .ve had the pirJSUre nt meeting many of his neighbours at a Paddington meeting, hut was surprised to find so few presen.. M. Hope, in feed, had co lecu.d ab•sut him his usual b dy of friend-, and app ared on the occasio' like a comet with his tail— (Gteat laught , r)--but it might surely have 'seen expecten that a Chairman could have been found in the district, and that they need not have been under the necessity to plating the respectable gentleman before hitn in that posi tion in whatever district they visited. He concluded b) moving a esolution : " That the vote of H. T. Hope, Esq., in February, 1832, against giving the elective franchise to the Metropolitan Dis tricts constitutes a moral disqualification for representing Mary lebone in Parliament." liossELL ELtas Eq., seconded the motion. The CHAIRMAN, atter some hesitation, put the amend ment A great num er of hands were held up for it; liut the Cl] &man, to the treat stirpti.e and indignation oi t e meeting, declared it (on the suggebtion of tt ose arouto. him) to he lost. A scene of gteat confusion here took p .cc, which delayed the proceedings for a cumiderable time. Ai , . CARRUTHERS at length was heard speak;ng with gte tt warmth rtspecting Mr Hope's eminent (poll .ati..o., and earnesly recom.neniiing him to the meeting, and enead by musing a resolution. Dr. A. T. THOMPSON said, he could scarcely conceive the possibility of the electors of the great borough so fir foroting their obligations to the present Ministry—(Vio lent interuption and t reat applau-e)—yes, he would re peat—to the Ministry that hid carried the Reform Bill and given to them in particulir that franchise to which om the .r numbers, their wealth, an 1. above a'l, their in telligence, they hail been Po long ent tied—(Great applau-e hisses—he would not believe that they would send a gentleman to the Huns , of Commons to oppose all then great measures which they h id pledged themselves to support. Mr. Hors was now called for, and at length pre sented him-elf to the meeting. As to his principles, h.- would at once state that he did advocate moderate Conservative principles. (Some appl iuse—great dis approbation, and such long-continued interruption, that, on being appealed to, Mr. Raikes Currie was corn- polled to mount the table, and entreat a hearing for the Hon. Candidate.) Oa being able to resume, he said that he dill not mean to assert that all inquiry was unneces sary, but that he was averse to any unnecessary and dangerous experimental changes ; he respected the rights of the prop!, ; he was willing to give them all the liberty possible that was consistent with security; those who wanted more, he was conv , nced were not such friends to their ecuntry as he was.—(Much confusion.) Mr. ASTELL moved a vote of thanks to Sir Jasprr Nichols, for his impartial conduct in the chair. Mr. RAIKES CURRIE expressed his regret that he could not con-cientiously join in it. It was put, negatived, amid the uproar, the meting dissolved. COURT CIRCULAR. His MAJESTY, attended by Sir HERBERT TAYLOR, left the Palace at St. James's about hall-past six o'clock, on Wednodartvening, on his return to the Palace at Windsor. At the King's Levee on Wednesday, the Earl of Rose- BERT and Lieutenant-Colonel H. HUTCHINSON were pre sent; the latter was presented by Lord Hitt, on his ac cession of rank. The Rev. FREDERICK STERKY was presented to the KING, nn his appointment as Chaplain to his R iyal Highness the Duke of CAMBRIDGE, by the Rev. ALEXANDER STERKY. An address was presented to h's MAJESTY from the Nobility, Gentry, &c., of the County of Herts, against the Dutch war. The Duke of CUMBERLAND honoured the Directors of the Concert of Ancient Music with his company at dinner on Wednesday evening, at the residence of Viscount BURGHERSH, and afterwards attended the performance of the concert. The new Minister from the Netherlands, Monsieur DEDEL, accompanied by Baron ZuYtEN, had an inter view yesterday with Viscount PALMERSTON, at the F.- reign-office. His Excellency arrived in town on Wednesday from Ho , land. NAMICK PACHA, the Turkish Minister, had an in ' terview with Earl GREY on Wednesday evening at the Treasury. A Deputation from the Australian Land Company, consisting of the Hon. Mr. MELVILLE, Mr. Join.; SMITH, M. P , Mr. MA RJORIBA NKS, 11.1. P., Messrs. BROWN, BUCKLE, Locx, H. Davis, and TooKE, hid a collie en= yesterday with Viscount GODERICH at the Colonial office. The Archbishop of Dublin had a long interview with Earl GREY yesterday at the Treasury. The Marston§ I.f . LatisnowNE, the Duke of RICHMOND, Mr. C. GRANT. Sr‘ JAMES GRAHAM. and Viscount GODENICH, had a meeting yesterday at the residence of Viscount ALTHORP, at the Treasury, which lasted about art hour. The saute Ministers, in company with Viscount ALTHORP, also visited Evil GREY. The LORD CHANCELLOR i ad an interview with Earl GREY at the Treasury on Wednesday evening. HASTINGS. —The mackarel season has corn rri-ncerl very ra lly, and promises to be productive; one lota took 1,000 on Frid ty, whiA sold for 531. ; on Scl• turd .y an ther boat to ought in 3,000 ; and again on Monday in one boat 2,000 were taken ; the price, how ever, quickly fell. and they may now be hid for twopenet pee, —l3,iphtan Gazette. The late Earl DUDLEY'S dinners, given at his new mansion in Paik-latte, are said to be the most recherche in town, with the exception of those of Lord SEFTON and Sir GEORGE WARRENDER, whose viands are purveyed front every p ,rt of the Continent. In adverting to the atrocious case of the murdered hoy, and without ine!uding murder as a part of the crime, we think it high time toe halter should be again resorted to for a certain description of offence, and applied even in preference to .tte most weal , hy and high in sta ior. of the off-nders. There are miscreants olthis grade who chiefly diffuse the enormity, ant in na re-pect should tat y escape the capital punishment, wh. n found guilty. In our opinion, even the duly attested asvault, except under very special circumstances, should not be hail Atte. Oa Tuesday last, a highly-respectable party visited Kenilworth, from Leamington, for the purpose of inspecting the ruins of the castle. One of the young la lies ascended the tower adjoining the great hall, when, unfortunately, in the act of taming round on the tower, ur from some other cause, she fell trout a height of 33 het to the ground. Wn,n tak , n up she was perfect.) , insen • Bible, an d w a s conveyed to a neighbouring house, where stirgicil assistance was itntnediately procured. For several days little hope was entertained tor het recovery, but the later accounts were much more favourable.— , Birmingham Gazette. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. LIOUSE OF COMMONS, AtscHl4. The Gallery of the House was opened to-day for the ad mission of strangers shortly after tour o'clock, in conse quence, as we understood, of the order for the ballot on the Knaresborough election hav'ng been agreed to be discharged. Mr. GORE LANGTON presented a petition from Frome, in favour of the Bath Road Improvement Bill. Mr. Alderman WOOD presented a petition from the proprietors of the Imperial Gas Company, praying for leave to bring in a Bill for the improvement of their works. Mr. O'CONNELL brought up the report of the Dublin Steam-packet Company. Mr. A. SANFORD presented a petition from Frome, in favour of the Railroad Improvement Bill. OBSERVANCE OF THE SABBATH. Mr. TOOKE presented a petition from Truro, in favour of the better observance of the Sabbath. Mr. O'CONNELL observed that he had a similar peti tion to present trom the parish of Sr. Michael, Dublin, agreed to at a public meeting of the inhabitants of that parish of every sect, supported most strongly by the Ca tholic Archbishop of Dublin.—(Hear.) An Holz. MEMBER, who said he had been intrust-d with several similar petitions, sincerely trusted that the Honourable Members would not allow a single hour to elapse after the conclusion of the presentation of petitions oft the Irish Coercive Bill before they pre-ented petitions of a similar nature to those he had adverted to, and he trusted the House would receive such petitions exclu , ively.—( Hear.) Sir M. W. RIDLEY deprecated entering into discus sions on the presentation of petitions, or the allowinz of particular petitions to be presented to the exclusion of all others, as the adoption of such a course would put an end altogether to the usual course adopted by the House. CORPORATIONS. Mr. TOOKE presented a petition from the Mayor and inhabitants or Truro, praying f.r a revision of their tnuni cipal code.—Referred to the Corporation Committee. LAND TAX. The Hox. MEMBER also presented a petition from St. Andrew's, Holborn, above the bar, praying for the equali sation of the land tax. Mr. WILKS, in reference to the latter petition, stated hat to gra. t the prayer of it would lead to no beneficial result, and would interfere with the rights of property for century hark Mr. TOOKE stated that the petitioners were prepared to make out a case that would he site:factory to all parties. LABOUR IN F.aCTORIES BILL. Lord ASHLEY preseaed eevera , petitions from Gies- Merry, in Yore•hite, Chorley, St. M .ry-at- Hill, London, Little Bolton, in Leicestershire, and from certain citizens of Lonclun, agreed to at a public meeting. of which the Lord Mayor was Chairman, in favour if the Bill limit ing the hours of children's labour in factories to ten hours d ; and elso against ahe granting of any commissions to examine witnesses. Mr. STRICKLAND had been requested to support the petition ttom Batley, and he dial so most heartily, tee ing that the Bill was absaute y necessary for th- sake of humanity.. (Hear, hear ) He hop d that no delay svould take place in tee progress of the Bill, which he fared would he the case, if the commissione to examine witnesses were issued ; and the consequence might tie, that the Bill would ae lost this session, as it was the last. He would not oppose any commission, provided it was likely to produce my new fa• ts, but he could not conceive aow any per son could le qtere evidence to prove that an unfortunate child should not he compelled to s and fifteen hours a day at a marhin worked by steatn.—(Heat, bear.) An How. MEstaza, whose name we could not learn, denied that the motion of which he had e iven notice Ice the appointment of a coimnisaion would cause any delay in the parsing of the Bill. His only 0 . jCt was, to d justice to the master manufacturers, agaii.st whom ampu t Akins had been made which were wholly groundless. Those imputations bad been printed by order of toe House, and it was only fair that. the masters should he allowed to refute them. That was his only object, and he had no desire to delay the Bill. The Bill could not creme into operation, as he understood, until July, and he would undertake that all the evidence necessary to he collected should be obtained without delaying the Bali beyond the period at which the Noble Lord (Ashley) proposed to introduce it. Mr. ROBINSON thought the effect of the motion would be to delay the Bill. He was at a loss to know why any thing more should be necessary to induce the House to legislate upon the subject. The suppovere of the measure had never charged the masers with cruelty ; but they had declared that the system was a cruel one. Tne Legislature was bound to protect those children, and he conjured the Legislature, alter the evidence which had already been gone into, to go hand in bawl, and promote the objects of the Noble Lord's Bill.—( Hear, hear. ) Lord ASHLEY stated that the Bill was direc'ed against the system, and he hoped that no motion would be made to delay its progress. The system was one which the country ought not to tolerate. Imme diately the Bill was printed, he had sent elf one huntied copies into the country, and, consequently, its provisions were generally well understood. He was quite ready to give as much time as was requisite for the mature consideration of all its contents ; but with the facts and evidence already before the House, and with so many Members who were connected with the manufac turing districts, the House was quite competent to dis cuss the subject without any tedious inquiries before another Committee or a commission. He could not pos sibly consent to the commission going forth, because he felt assured it would so delay the progress of the Bill as to render it impossible to push it through both Houses before the conclusion of the session. Mr. WILBRAHAM was a friend to the Noble Lord's Hill, and thought that a prima facie case for the inter ference of the House had been made out, but still a fair ju-'gment could not, he thought, be come to, evidence on only one side of the question having been heard. Mr. C. FERGUSSON said that the Committee had been appointed for two purposes, first to show that a grievance existed in working children beyond the hours which were consistent with their health, and in the second place to show to what extent that over-working injured their health.—(Hear, hear, hear.) Now it had been established by evidence not ~,to be controverted that children were worked 13, 14, and 15 hours a-day, and that ten hours was admitted to be the utmost that the strength of infants could endure in those factories. The evidence, t - eerefore, had established the grievance ; and he trusted the Noble Lord would press through his measure with all possible expedition. While they talked of Commissions and delay, the infants were perishing.—(Hear, hear.) The system was cruel and ab horrent to every principle and feeling, as it at present existed in these factories. This was the cause of hu manity, and the House would not do well in the sight of God and the country, if it delayed one single moment beyond what was necessary to carry this Bill. Mr. O'CONNELL said it was a question of humanity and religion. The clergymen of all persuasions in the district where the factory system prevailed, complained not only of the misery entailed physically upon the children as to bodily health, but also of the impo , ihility «f com municating to them any moral or religious instruction. The means at present adopted for this purpose were to have small slips printed and put under the sleeve of t. e factory children, and sorry lie was to say that when these slips were discovered by the masters, punishment immedioelY followed.—(Hear.) As to the Committee which had been appointed, under whose evidence the House was called upon to legislate, he beeged to state that Mr. Sadler had opposed its appointment, and it was therefore unfair to complain of its proceedings, who it had actually been promoted by the opponents of the Bill. It was the duly of that House to protect imams from the inistortune and vices of their paeLts, and from the affects of the avarice of their was era, who, under the present system, had no interest to coneult th it health and happiness. Mr. WARBURTON thought it advisable that a corn miesion should be issued, hi order, as the petition stated, that the opinions of manufacturers should he taken, not so much to enable them to rebut the evidence which had been given, as to lay before the House information ae to ori.at would be the operation of the clauses of the Bill. Sr far from prejudging, the prosecution of she measure, he believed it would be the very best mode of facilitating its progress. Mr. C. WYNN had been opposed at first to the ap• pointinent of a Committee, hut when the Hoe, had determined to enter into inquiry, and receive ev.dence on one side, he considered it would not be rimming justice to those individuals against whom serious charges were brought in this report, if an opportunity was not given to tree themselves from those imputations. The c harges bad been made against them in the lace of Parhatnent arid the country, a nd an opportunity should be given them of c raring themselves, anal 'abutting the ch rges that had ben made. Charges having been in .de against the master manufacturers, th e 1-I,use cote(' taut refuse giving t hem e n opportunity of ee l: juetification. He thought it would be a it-ILA:Luta on the House to delay this Bill bey ond the present session of Parliament, tinstherefore he was will ing to consent to any ins ructions being given to the coirmaissietters to prevent unnecessary delay, and hasten the pru.uction if the report. Mr. BROTHERTON said that the factory system had been proved to be detrimental to health, and prejudicial to the morals of the community. It had been agreed on all bands, bath I.y masters, workmen, and the parents of the factory children, that legislative interference had be come absolutely necessary. But the reasons of that necessity were not so obvious. In the opinion of some it was owing to the avarice of masters, in other cases it was owing to the avarice of the workmen, and some were of opinion that the necessity arose from both being combined. He was not disposed to attribute it to either ; in fact, the master manufacturers themselves in the neigh bourhood of Manchester, as had b-en shown by a petition he himself bad presented, were in favour of a measure to restrict the hours of the employment of the factory children. He considered the necessity arose from the nature of the system. None of the parties could do any thing, in short, without the aid of the law.—(Hear.) He trusted that the. Bill which had been brought forward by the Noble Lord would receive the support of the House. There were some points which in detail might be im proved, but he believed that it would generally give satis faction to the manufacturers and to the country at large. After some observations from Mr. FINN, and an Hon. Member whose name we could not ascertain, the petition was ordered to lie on the tab'e. MALT TAX. Mr. GORDON presented a petition, numerously signed, from the inhabitants of Aberdeen, praying for a revision of tic duties on malt ; also from Huntly and Ravens ' worth, for a repeal of the duties on soap; and from the Presbytery of Aberdeen, praying for a better observance of the Sabbath. UNSTAMPED PUBLICATIONS. Mr. LANIB brought up a return of the number of per sons committed for selling unstamped publications, which was ordered to be printed. Mr. O'CONNELL, in postponing the motion for leave to bring in a Bill to restore to the people of Ireland their right and power to elect conservators of the peace in each county at large, county of a city, and county of a town in Ireland ; and to regulate the mode of such elections ; and to declare and establish the authority of such conserva tives .s Justices of the Peace ; observed that it had been thrown out as a reproach. that the Irish had consumed so much of the time of the House, to the detriment of the people of England. He c..nsidered that reproach had been rather unworthily thrown upon the people of Ireland, and as he felt convinced the course he intended to adopt would he attended at ith the best results to all parties, he should postpone his motion to a future day. JEWISH DISABILITIES. Mr. R. GRANT postponed his motion for leave to bring in a Bill to remove the disabilities affecting all per sons prof seine the J-wish ECCLESIASTICAL REVENUE. Mr. D. W HARVEY d• ferret' his motion for an ad dress to the Crown for a return from the Commissioners appointed to inquire into the ecclesiastical revenue, to as certain the description and locality of each sep rate property charged with any fee, farm, rery, pension, stipend, tenth, and I` cher payments reset vel by leases,-other than rack rents and redeemed land tax, Sp , cifying the prroiabl- number of acres and annual v due thereof, the tenure, the amount of the fixed pa, merit, of whatever description, to which it is subject, whether the leases were renewable upon lives or years, and the customai y terms of ren• teal. LIVERPOOL ELECTION. Lord SAN DON was sorry nit to con-ider himself justi fied iu lid owing the example which had been set him by several Hon. Members, by postponing his motion. Tee object of his applies ion wee so uneortant that he did not censoter himself at liberty in doing so. The House would recoil ct that the object of his notice was that partie* might have the opportunity of examining, too; re the Committee to be app m end on the Liverpool p' y couns, , the different witnesses brought forward e 0 et, OW they !night tie heard by counsel. The Nome Lord he:ieved that it was wallets, example the parties against whom Mtll!!1 an applicatien had been made, should not he at liberty to defend themselves by Citing-I. (Hear, hear, bear.) The cross-examination of wit nesses could not be so well conducted by those iin , trqu,inted with the art of cross-examination, as it could be by Counsel, who were well versed in it ; and if the Committi e, which was extremely probable, should extend to any length, it would be utterly impossible for those gentlemen who were not accustomed to such CemtniVees. t. ar in mint fit so long a perio•l all the circumstances which were connected with the case.—(Heir, hear.) lie had also a petition from another party, requesting to be head by counsel, which he would take an early oppor tunity of presenting to the House. Mr. WASON said, that if the House entertained the motion now before it, there was not a freeman in the town of Liverpol who might not individually apply to be heard by counsel before the Committee. It was not in the power of the House acting judicially to giant the mo tion ; and he firmly believed ibis to be only the first of a series of applications to prevent the inquiry being full, into which they had been directed by the Huse. Dr. NICHOLL sincerely hoped the House would grant permission for counsel to examine the witnesses before the Committee. He would much rather have the Honourable and Learned Gentleman who had just now spoken, to be himself present to examine the witnesses, with his wig and gown as a feed barrister, and therefore restrained to certain limits by the rules and courtesy of the profession, than ha, e him sitting upon the Commit tee with all the feelings of a violent partisan.—(Hear, hear.) It had been said this inquiry would not List long, hut there had been severe measures applied for, to compel the attendance of upwards of 100 witnesses, and if he, for instance, was one who might be appointed to watch the proceedings of this Committee, to examine into the relevancy of the questions and not the answers, then to answer the whole altogether, it would be more than his physical strength could undergo. This being a proceeding that would affect upwards of 5,000 innocent individuals, he busted the House would not hesitate to grant this application. Mr. WASON explained that at the meeting which took place the other day, both when the Noble Lord and the Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite, were present, it was considered that they should agree among them selves as to the time they might call up certain witnesses, so as to make it convenient to all parties, and no objec tion to this line of proceeding was taken either by the Noble Lord or the Hon. and Learned Gentleman. Mr. O'CONNELL was quite confident there was one point, at all events, in which the Hon. and Learned Gentleman behind him (Mr. Nichol') had totally failed, namely, that of showing there was any incapacity in him to examine any witness that might be produced. Less of a case of incapacity he had never heard or seen made out. He thought that the appointment of nominees was for the purpose of saving expense to the parties.—(Hear.) They had already a double advantage, and he hoped the House would not give them an additional advantage of employing counsel, which would be the means of delaying the inves tigation and at a ruinous expense. It wms said that the corporate funds were not to be used on the occasion, but as the gentlemen of the corperation were charged with using those funds to obtain their seats, he thought they could not hesitate in using the funds to tnaintain their seats. It was a case that called tor justice, and time House had done every thing to give it. He, therefore, hoped that the motion would he rejected. Mr. W. WYNN said that, because he thought that bribery was a great and heinous offence, he felt that a p rry who was charged with it should have every facility afforded him of making his defence. Even though he might be convinced of the guilt of the accused, he would not deny that person the right which every British subject had of making his defence.—(Hear, hear.) In all cases of Election Committees the parties were allowed counsel, and from his experience on those (reci sions, he was of opinion that the employment of counsel shortened the proceedings. It was said that nominees were appointed, who were to be considered in Vie light of counsel; bus it should be remembered that the nominees were members of the Committee. C lone' WILLIAMS said a Noble Lord had called that tribunal (the Commirtee) an iniquitous one. The tri bunal and the criminals are therefore in that respect alike. As to the assertion that the Corporation would not employ the Corporation lunds, he would show how they had already employed their funds. The Hon. Member was proceeding to relate Vie proceedings in an action in the King's Bench, when he was interrupted by cr es of Question." The SPEAKER intimated that the question was whe ther Counsel should be allowed to examine witnesses. Colonel WILLIAMS f roceeded to contend that he was in order, e lien he was interrupted hy cries of " Question," and lie s.it down. Mr. BENETT said the Noble Lord (Sandon) had h id the Comtnotee appointed to his own pan, and he as sure th it it was he understanding of the Ho is , t tat in ap pointing nominees they were to be in the nature of eoun-el. The propoettion of the Noble Lord's nominee to adjourn the pros edifies of the Commite e till of mr Eaver, would produce by delay very great inconvenience, and an enor umus increase of unnecessary expense. L was impossible to say, if the proposition were adopted, to what length of time it might be protrateed. He had now for three y, ass been endeavouring to unravel the col ruptioa of L verpool, with the view 01 purifying the repres trtation of that borough. He had been put off, however, and his obj ct had from time to time been defeated by a variety of expedients. It the prepositiun now made were aitoptei', he bad no doubt the inquiry, at least, woul d be postponed to another session of Parliament, and, knowing that a single year would make a difference in the staie of the question, while he did not kn.)w h.rw long he -hould have a seat in that Hous., or how long his health would enable him to attend to inquiries of this sort, he was determined to take the sense of the House upon it. Dr. NICHOLL said that as the examinations before the Committee would not cornrnen2e before Wednesday next, be had been anxious, as it was desirable to have the evidence gi‘ten continuously and conseientitusly, to post pone till after Easter the labours of the Committees, not for the sake of delay, but for generel convenience, and to save expense. • Sir St W. RIDLEY regretted that there was some thing approaching. in the construction of the Committee which had been appointed, to a par, y feeling, which did not hold nut a very fair prospect of a speedy and satisfactory result. He spoke with great deference towards the indivi duals composing that Committee, but he could not disguise from himself that by accidental circumstances, the choice of that Committee had fallen upon very young and inexperienced Members in Committee proce•d'ngs. He thought it, therefore, very desirable, especially from the nature of the case, and from the accidental circumstance to which he had alluded, that the proposition of the Hon. Member op posite should be acceded to. Mr. D. W. HARVEY strenuously advocated the intro duction of a Counsel on each side. If the corporation of Liverpool misapplied their corporate funds, they would be amenable to the burgesses, and, no doubt, would be made answerable to them. Nothing could be so far from the fact as the statement that had been made, that this Com mittee was to assume the form of a Grand Jury. Lord ALTHORP had great doubts whether Counsel should be employed or not. It certainly might be for the advantage of cross-exansination that counsel should be em ployed, but he certainly felt no little degree of surprise at the application coming from the side from which it did. He felt, at the same time, great difficulty in saying counsel ought not to be at liberty to cross-examine witnesses ; but if the House should give that liberty, he trusted the Com mittee would take care tint counsel, by lung speeches, should not delay their proceedings. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL thought it would be extremely unjust to deprive tt e parties of the advantage of cross-eximination of counsel, as he felt convinc d that justice could not be done if the examination was not pro perly biftrd. After a few observations from Mr. Benett, Mr. War burton, Sir M. W. Thdley, and Mr. Pryme, the motion was agrred to without a division. THE CHURCH (IRELAND). Lord All HORP then rtioveil the order of the day for the second readily, of " A Bill to alter and amend the laws relating to the temporalities of the Church of Ireland ;" is nm which Mr. O'CONNELL complained of there having been no s..ffic Col opportunity for presenting the petitions against the Irish Coercive Bill. Lord ALTHORP made a few observations in reply, which were not audible in the galley. Lord JOHN RUSSELL adverted to a recommendi tion of his, made in ti.e last session, that when there were a number of petitions on the subject, and with the same prayer, they might all be brought together, and only one question tie put on them. A desultory conversation took place on the mole of presenting petitions, between Mr. Cobbett, Mr. Wilke, and Mr. Rouinson, and one or two more Hon. Members, when Sir R. PEEL said, that in presenting petitions, as littl-- time as poeeitile sh uld be uselessly consumed. Here marked, with respect to the sittings at twelve o'clock, that besides other objections, they were open to a very mate rial one; namely, that reports of those sittings went aoroad, the incorrectness of which, when they happened to be so, could not be contradicted, without the loss of a day. Lord ALTHORP ssw no objection in consenting to what the Hen. Member for Dublin demanded. On the order of the day having been read for the se cond readirig of the Church Reform (Lisa) Bill, Mr. C. W. WYNN conten , ed tat the measures now tab iut to be. passed were introduced in a manner that completely militated against the standing orders of that House, and that his NI sjeaty'rt Ministers would have done better if they had more strictly adhered to the rules and p actices of that House Those measures could not be introduced in the present manner ; they should originate in a Comm ttee of the whole House. He said this be cause no tax for private or public purposes could tie en deavoured to be imposed wahout its having been previ ously submi.ted to such a Committee. He would quote Hatsell's precedents, in which it was laid down that no money could be raised on property by way of toll, duty, or oturrwise, until such proposition was referred to a Committee, so that when pecuniary burdens were to be pl iced upon the people, for private or public purposes, whether in the shape of toll or duty, the orders ant prac tices of that House nquired that they should be previously discussed in Committee ref the whole House. Now let any brat) , take a cursory glance at the Bill before the House, let him only look at its marginal notes; and in the very fi r words of the preamble to that Bill would he found the weed "tax." The first words of the preamble were these :—" Whereas it is expedient to make provision for 'he abolition of first fruits in Ireland, and the substitu• than of an annual tax in lieu thereof." Besides schedule A, part of the first of that Bill contained " A yearly tax to be imposed bison all benefices, dignities, and other spiritual promotions under the rank of bishoprics." These taxes were intend if far specific purpose , and if afterwards there should be a surplus, it was to be used as Parlia• ment should think proper to dii.ect. Moreover, the money to be raised by the sale of perpetuities was a tax, no matter for what purposes it might be destined, whether for secular or other put poses of the State, or for the re pairs of churches, the increase of the incomes of poor ourates, or for the piyment of the salaries of parish clerks. If this was not laying a burden on one part of his Ma jesty's subjects, he knew not what was. In conclusion, be begged to remind Ministers how extremely dangerous it was to deviate upon any occasion, or for any purpose, from the ancient and established rules and practices of that House. Lord ALTHORP fully felt the difficulty of arguing pints of order with a person so thoroughly conversant In them as the Right Hon. Gentleman who had just spoken. However, he thought that the money clauses of tae Bill could not be considered in the light of a tax, since they were not applicable to the public generally. Those clauses of the Bill related to the clergy, and were intended to make rich incumbents pay the salaries of poor curates. He was not certainly aware that the framers of the Bill intended it for anything else, and that they ever contemplated it could be so construed as to he thought a measure for levying a tax. He undoubt edly agreed with the Right Hon. Gentleman, that no tax should be laid upon the people, without having recourse to all the usual forms of that House ; but be, at the same time, did not think that any part of the present Bill came within the t ales and orders of the House. The word tax was used in the preamble, but the question was—not what were the words used, but what was to be dose. The tax mentioned was applicable solely to church purposes; and forming his judgment, from what he knew of his Right Hon. Friend with whom the Bill originated, he was sure that his Right Hon. Friend never intended it for any other purpose. However, if the objections of the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite turned taut to be well founded, he (Lord Althorp) would not persevere in introducing the Bill in the present way, though he confessed that its in troduction by means of a Committee of the whole Hou.e, would be productive of no other result but delay. He repeated that the money clauses of the Bill were not for raising taxes; and besides, these clauses would not be introduced to tie House, until after they bad heard the report of the Committee. Sir R. PEEL said, that never in his life did he feel more confident of being ab!e to convince anybody by argument, than he then felt of b e ing able to convince the Noble Lord who had just sat down, that the money clauses of this Bill could not be proceeded with, unless they were referred to a Committee of that House. If he had tnisunamstood the observations of the Nohle Lord he requested to be corrected. The observations of the Noble Lord were based upon two grounds. First, that the Bill did not impose a tax, :or it was not a general tax, but one that related to the clergy and to imperial. Lord purposes; that it was l ocal and not Lord ALTHORP—I did not say local. What I meant point t .m is but iutro e second to say was, that by this Bill we dedu cted from the ineetnes of a certain portion of the cler gy , and we applied what we d-ducted t • the support of another and a poorer portion, s e n r ii ef — ct tat of having perfectly and to other Chuielt purposes. A burden certainly i s l ai d oa some in.lividuals; but that burden is not levied in or d er understood. t be app ied to any State r, services. c lueing the other ortlons of the Bill iti the present way. ors polo e s -s rein. to His answer to this concession of t h e N o bl e L or d was , that tHh moneyr would R. there c E P u i PEEL —`Nell, r end that ei a cmittee, the Bill could noteu to a s e con d la ailing without its first ! Li ving been submitar d to a Committee. As a proof of this, he would quote from Hatsell's Precedents; "On the 29ih of March, 1707, it way resolved—That this House will not proceed upon any petition, motion, or Bill, for granting any money, or fir releasing or compounding any suns of money owing to the Crown, but in a Com mittee of the whole House, and that the same he declared to be a standios order of the House." So far that order AO ' 0 0 1 1;1 ...___... er order 0 f WI be 27th °' t o a Committee of the whole Elouse. On t he _nice p i 1785, a motion was toad- for reattla in° P h twhaast conclusive. I s ] sl f v o e r . locTall'epruerrpinasse4at altistanitiPtd:leg city of Westmuineter, pose. Toe motion, as it had not origin ea. les. siderea Ir t io mime of the whole House, wag con 0. ,_ What happened the day after ?---was the nt :141,0ef to a Committee? No: it eta• withdra w " el l pis i# ol applied exactly to the subject matter hefor ' ' So fir hscil,, it it did not, he knew n ot what do.. )9th ilebril!' 1677, there was a standing order of the f eel a , Woe. e 0 " That if any motion be made in t. be coo den ° I of its having been iriegula ly prepagr:he goo; • public aid or charge upon the peoPlee the eateredll;l amt for imposing a tax It io t - f 1::: and debate thereof ought not pres ntly t: °the ghats I but adjourned till such future day a ibe refereed I think fit to appoint ; and then it ought t' . _j o ins' be reported thereupon, before any retmolution (1 .. „ .41 d o, the Committee of the whole Howe, House to pass therein." On this subject B 7 ieb 6 fo remarks—'• The House of Comtnons have; :_ o pf wisdom, imposed these rules and restriction P i " o , ~ 4 selves, in the exercise of that great and mustoil, privileee, ' the sole aad exclusive right o . f r ebeir !ott and supplies to the Crown' in order--oar it ;a when they are imposing burdensupon their 1 " t " ~e cea s!, to give every opportunity for free and frequenvotee, of/ —that they may not, by sudden and basl a droo l; expenses, or be induced to approve of me 9 be upon 1 VI and therrevFou co! might entail heavy and lasting burdens . tbe t,i o , o and their posterity. It is upon this princie, `T 1,11:y ago as 1667, the House laid it down for a ruie , e up oo, motion or proposition for an aid, or cbs'l tbst all , people, should be ' presently' entered WI; e ,e,eli.4! means due and sufficient notice of the aull e t. e ern` given, and that the Members should not 1 ' 0 , 0 47'; into a vote, but might come repared to a" . ••: 40 0:: argument which the importance of the cl'! ~ 400; demand.' Another part of the such propositions shall rec ive their 0 ; 05 fits p in a Committee of the whole House,' is 11° o ftet! ° A! prudent. There every Member may speak a'. l de ere;; l i finds it necessary ; and is not confined, „ IP Il etiSi his opinion, by those rules which are to be ou" o iss;k speaking in the House; and which, In Matterso.ieo and computation, would be extremely inc °lll , e b rt!Ls i would necessarily deprive the House of "' l t 11P: al useful information. This mode of proceed:ll4o'o gives an opportunity of a further and more M it t e ration, when the resolutions of the Coo° on ty is t ) ported ; to which the House may either not etiejtalo or disagree, but, if they are of opinion that the co oa fl not been sufficiently canvassed, they WY r fire ese °f ,,j, same ort,e'di. ,011 whole, or any part of the report, for the r oe ' re asta ceiving more accurate information, or au'r e eh - e 0 3 . quiring into the ileum and expedien c y of oimedo proposed." In the case of Campbell, wh ° • to et pensation for injuries sustained during t V° po lio o gow, there was a Bill brought into the h05e0.,,,e). the case being referred to a Committee • ;Wes the case was referred to a Committee °' tit tle Means.—(Hear, hear.) He would then beg ee ii la. House to the practice of the Noble Lard 11 ,_ 411 ; it 131 cases. In 1821, he (Lord Althorp) broug ut -,, ea° l a Bill certainly ) of very minor importance Wh e- e lo i. , with the present—it was one relating to g a° VP a tax of 2/. was laid on all game certificate's' A gbel l that case bring the Bill into the House, Oa ! pa it . / t pass the first and second reading before refert l e p tsje Committee ? No. The clauses which re .A lre i t , I w il laying on of that tax, were P rint Wl I li that they might be taken into considers° e i 4 1 Committee of the Huse.—( Hear, hear'l . o e el were instances of the practice of the Pc'ttil' o i ler ns) local taxes, and for local objects. Surely, tceer question of this nature, which referre d to t he 000 0 the ~ Church, and extended over all Ireland' not to be less gu ,rded than they were in S b°6 :t l sSm, Could there be a doubt that the BM laid ° P , t hat ''' they were told in the preamble of the 13 i ' 0 11 ,, expedient to make provision for the Oolitic° t i ti% in Ireland, and the substitution of an 11 °1 t Ib t j e thereof," and when they were further told ''' ) ,:pli" coeds of " the said annual tax were to b e b ra ; te e building, rebuilding, and repairing of cb°, rc et sil 1 such like eccle.iastical purposes, and to t" ., , e - w ar of small livings ?" And if it were a fir 4p eoPio the House that no Bill laying a max up"" t ' - canta ° ' proceed without a previous resolution' 0 1° , 0 0 ) 0 thought that there could be no doubt "";,„ tifie u , 41 1 and he thought the House would not "Jbo4asecy') witting a different principle. He lior d ',, etwi i° : ll e the Noble Lord would see the propriety o'-rceeers'i original motion made by him on a fe r l - wi ttee (' the queatmon should be reterred to a '''"„ es e gl ti° ll ,.„ l , House, and give time to consider the-n- Oe w' ,. .) the first and second reading of the B'l l , h sclin i . "=" , 1 . the Noble Lord would not, in a case te° l '.,., -- 40 eel ' much doubt, press the House to act in 2 ` .. 6 .- e tas' from what bad been done by former Var lit ' ' t ° ° 4 l Mr. STANLEY said the whole arg °°v s esk '" the Right Hon. Baronet rested his cs' e ,,, I 01. 0 present Bill was meant to lay on either a " - t : / 0 111 0 0 tax, and be referred in the course of hi s , Bl ll,o o , resolution, adopted in 1807, " That th'', l fat r ) ii proceed upon any petition, motion, or 1 3 " ' 4 se l it any t o :: n l w lme u ey n t p o i I i r, o no o n o w , : : n er i e s reterred proceeding compound .: e m ß i r il t pn uir i te t e utt o l the n C n dy i' n i n' p li v wg e e: n t r ni Y te rs i yo eb d c n u i o : ff t w m : t i r i u o nP :e l diff e ren t r l3OOO : go d : l ! t e t .0 : :fr 1 11 il nr i) ; present B:11, for it was a resolution to r e-e i eva, l o c lf, vio e u r r, eu t :I:d i : n en:s a g f.: C iri o lamttghmdie beingi d tt n e no e ~n, completelyt-r e ß si u ti t en h t e r originate e cil ne w : n a pg s oyia:l a t,.., : la ti .; : ed : rol f oyce s; e:"0 0 ;. : garding curates' salaries. That Bill i new P alt . i i resident curates who haul not an adequate Joitt7 House, nor indeed in the House of Cato."-, ; r sa, a. in the House of Lords. This was a 13 vt ii : g ; fly t the minor clergy. He was told by his '' ' ,.l II" '§ f Friend (Mr. Lamm., we believe) that it u 'i - d adif in the House of Lords, but that did not 's P c ? not, at all events, originate in a Contrail itj - I I that Bishops might enforce residence; 8° tit ro", clauses providing for the improv, meat of t e. oid o r parsonage-houses, &c. What, then, did filet thee fire them du? It set aside certain tonne ..a,oel :lance of curates, for the increase of the ii lyw e s,p , livings, for time improvement of glebe b °11 . ) 0 11 4 P two Bills were, in fact, pan passn. I f il lo die it ) the same. But, what was still strouger'„o 10' the increase of curates' salaries, there 9 , clause for the support of small livings, b urpo gradual scale of taxation, by which it 'v s ! t ot°:i benefices should pay these curates accredinlive fir Neither in the one nor in the other was tbl,ticl; constitutional jealousy which was felt in g,,ore b b i the Crown, hut both agreed in referring to `l. l to 00 The same principle, would, therefore , 1 ‘ 13 1 a 1) 1 41i ° if it were competent to tit iginate the one '''.. o ld J without referring it to a Committee, 4 W ,,,ber• „b 4 follow that it would be cempetent in theft v- 0 ii,.., tended, then, that he bad made out a i a tr..."‘ were right in the former ins'ance in tece' l i, eV, ! Salaries Bill. it was, in the common se:f3ill'i case, justifiable in receiving it in the Pre 9e° Si ll '' roe ° sal Mr. GOULBURN said, that if the Pr 4 ott lay a tax upon the people, it would be t '" of r ,:e House should not go into considerati"°.‘ thee() those constitutional guards which had if lbw sary in such cases.—(Hear; hear.) b' t3 ,a Os tr f ° doubt upon the sue jeer, then it woll'" eet ee - importance to delay the matter, 25 ° A ag i t ) 11 1' decision. He thought, that in the " r l e eo ) `" present Bill ought to be referred to a ''' ~ )1 whole House.—(Hear, hear.) , A OP,' The SOLICITOR-GENERAL sa t question was whether this was a Big i t, ef h " l the people, or interfering with the te ce- i t e ottg?" If it were either the one or the o ther , elat e in the first instance, to be referred to 1 . 1 " - ap e. whole House.—(Hear, hear.) Bu t ° bea cit 'd that it aid not fall within either of 00% 1 00, sidered it merely as a Bill for the reg u . . t et 0 ,1 perty of the Church, and for the he" o s tej themselves.—(Hear, bear.) The 1 4 ° b o IP JO . ferred to the Westminster case, but 41 t , Of) a stamp duty imposed, which, of eaut s ; 9 to VI sary to refer it to a Committee. Tbe ° ' de to, from Glasgow, there was no questions n: la the p nor in which it was conducted, 1 , g b,). ( i l, weight could be attached to tt.--(A l ea If Ili f That the Curates' Salaries Bill was pet j i ot o , it there was a tax laid o n all the cle r gl a o , or clergyman had a living of 500/, be b 0 0'10 sum ; it 1,0001., he was to pay so muc h ad exactly the same vise with the pres n i t . that the House might Mr. SHAW said, the Hon. and Lea . " that the Bill was tnere)y to regulate o:thdr, Church ; but the very first provisin:l_4o Is; , •' t. That it was expedient to make pro 7 .10 51 . ,1 1 tion of first fruits in Ireland, and tbe _ i " e cti r (I annual tax in lieu thereof." He d . e . °0: 0 • 1 ) 1 principle arplied in the Curates 1 3,11 00, safely go on w ith r rietref i the present Bill ; and be begged of the in Ole part from their established rules a key tout - L be, , Lq P141 1, u . 11 4 1 11 1 41 °ti Whig