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'n is said his AdAri ' r, and restde . r if any syne suppostd that rill go to Ptar I, and the othe r hare. uch surprised 111 Chamber of P ee° in the puinP i ` w i s or an compensate , Sl5 ; a Ng:rile s":,j rs, which 100071 Ttnentation, courage and Ow him over to thee The abgurtlity ot r 'mei-it of the r with sufficient f'ell a! , •Y I ltr? ) 101Cril WO' ions not belotigl.l: Lrs, have been re' - s be hoped that tr., lit bad cloned...o'i number of dedtb: o , daily, and it co d sly in Krajoiva ,Fr l Irince Miloseh frontier of his (.0° ;tapha Pielmhof d that he has se°,4 tia, intending -(THIS DA NCERY wc o morning at nine - ED LUNATIC? t ill Lordship had iloe , gentleman 1,0 :flowed from ins ~o e t lion had beenYV ward) could n. ° b et hat those 10 . , limits where wife at present to go nedicalgentlenn,d , or thing forthq,!` 11:0' T side where 3 , :,derr so ; he would 11 7ourt pleased, ,"d oth where he pine the other side t 0 worry and prO ad a right tot , t l r oe' a petition was I' d oi l jurisdiction A n .tef sed lunatic to s t° , ;lear that the , 0 tear that he cot,' v p_ i o be dcliverel,. e hr A tirectin g that ay next; that n li o; ,hould be br0 1 54 isit him on 1, /, ' ould let Sir tu`,:ttic found, putting •r inconvenience ,UFORT. tier he took h';', mneil who ‘ 41. ' 1 1%,;" ight from Sir r'; - $ 9,,, `ieinfantfemal e . 3 tr, Lordship t o.daY, io mup to him. to, ly hand her o‘ e fe, ['davit and fur t ,'"' vould make sal) , nt into his 1 4 1 1 trn into Court,,e nd was now in ti BP Ylr. Wellesley , a gt , immediately a t be, the passage t ° _,A,e •:h they had a"i o d , n being ordered „„, eared to be shedt',': na p l ex i on , has a of intelli evnee, e lapse ofo the a fev i r . e ril stated t Is town, but at i I.; uence of the lent might arise whoee hands he); n, at least in /1; Erected that ;ely to his housFlre gone) and T ai nji nine, bliss SP' o hg [iss 'Wellesley t li ,l rties-ivere to a * , .11 would be a' EASE. [IITY yi urther Prcf, be read w Stricklan d '( Te c Thomson, o I , Tornio, , Villiers, Warburt o ' ' Walker, WaterPl fr ' Wyndhs?* Wood., J. TO*Heine, . Jcphson, • 'EVEN. , Vere, TO l. O Inglis, Lamy, v 0n0rm....1 BILL. , :he JSth wit.' re their names W e Smith, 0;f. Smith, L'A, Vernon, ‘' fi F THE s p o the division 'I A ient, and vote. nt serv ant„ot AL JOHN % I'S DAY•) „ 0 0 VE t , )d Montro3 l 01 1 ' d South Myer' rand Chic' e' c tII9 r, on a tour ' ir e.) yal salute wt yv ey, t Society o° ape meeting for 9 ............... e, ................ .......... i s from all , V;g During state , crops as moStr Papers.) , i . s elOP ; felt on Tri_m occ A city of 9.,°' 1 05 r f of July, tiled contradict°;',o' taken away c dictj4 chaso flo . both e r e, th a t no far t g3Be Portuguese .11 Paris has r e ll oT il in consequelic 041, hi to B'2 Ortla I ' l s'ivaiting t ° DS. ,a 9 04 i r Cent. !.`",-,; 0110 r Cent- , 16/6) per Cent. t Bonds, p, , !! 7 9 0, ?que r Bin'', op,, F.F ASi the lod , o l iris, nor i Orop spire, hu t . g oi., r that all s , C re pureliasp fo ,vitliciraw. Irv in . eat inajoriqor of :g 4 firm in. t! . frof o he nioriiii,g 4 / , ent. o vt ) l an d or as Ma d e ira ticeipc , e Portugu f 0 !EB 0 ' CP O . ING pni C ti • 3h ......... k, eau, vim •••"''. 3r] ...... •••• 1 $ ish .......... SUIPPING INTELLIGENCE-(THIS DAY.) 1 / 1 , FROM LLOYD'S. . • At; , 3i) 10.—Wind W.N.W.—Arrived the Tropic, i,,,,,Vrti'Cld; Kingston, Dawson; Henry, Davidson; William; Ethel " ; and Montreal, from Jamaica. The latter lost her SaP and mizen-masts ; met in the Gulf the Tartar, for Zante. AUGUST 19.—Wind N.W.—Passed by, the , B s e s e h d i , p f T ro w m e, t ,d he Mauritiu 7. and Ascension. 1.- PALMOaI" s l4 front the Downs: Lt , Auentrt 17 Asti 18..-Lyhtid .; moderate. t tilt. ou blaribatoUgh pgkot . 1,4* 011 ; sailed the Jilt: I'aats his Majr:si:.y's ilps 8ri,..0n and De- Ey packet; also the Frenc squadron, consist drone line-of-battle ship, three frigates, one corvette, and a d . 13. The Lady Mary. Pelham packet is reported to have been hi,nasted on.the coast of Brazil, and to have been at Pernani: 22d June. Arrived the Navarin, Hunter, fr. in Cape Haytien. p PLY NIOUTH, AUGUST IR—Wind N.W.—ArriVed the Collins, ' l. ,?ssard ; and Jane, Lowther, from Prince Edward's Island. rt ISTOL AUGUST 19.—Arrived the Sappho, from Prince Ed s'tar,rl'sn Island', Tantivy, from Odessa . ; Robert, Dewar, from Con ople ; and Harbinger, Champion, from .Faro. LI , ()RD, A nou n 18 . —A rr i ve d t h e H aai b a l , Dagostem, from 11etershur 5 " ° " 1 ; Friends, Baile • and P a r ag o n , Wilki nson , f rom St . rt. • fro IVERPOOL, Ave. 18,—Arrived the Olive Branch, Harding, f.;,„ Savannah ; Science, Coffin, from Charleston ; Supply, Scott, fro nt Montreal Off port—the Elizabeth, from Demerara; Cousin, a!'l. 7A latanzas . ; Robin Hood, from Charleston ; Birmingham, ~Helen, Buiman, from New York. ',Lir, AUG. l9.—Arrived the Ellen, from Jamaica. i DA D. JuNE 25.—Our island. experienced, on the 25d Lone of the most awful storms of wind and rain ever remem- T b.Y the clileit inhabitant. The hurricane of the 12th August, mit lit last so long. The gale commenced at five (!'clock shi f elaY morning and continued till eleven ; the wind, after , wi th n g from E. N. W. and S., finally settled at S. W., and blew is theout intermission till three Tres the afternoon. The following " mo.st accurate statement pecting the shipping at . pre q, obtained :—The Ranger, of Bristol, on shore at Point-a- T h r r , ; and the brig Hazard at Savanetta, both severely, damaged. f , ,Alowing are on shore near the Qtiay and the King's Ilriti—British schooners, Maria, Ann, Chart, Caledonia, and g at ram ; t'oops Collector, Hillsboro', and Ecclefechan. A . .elonging to the Caledonia, Hodnett, with nine of e' 4 r. Was totally lost. The Harmony, Bird, reports having I„,l):rienced the gale very severely outside the Brocas.- 44 following vessels rode out the gale :—Ships Severn, Cale . c o la , and Belenwer ; brigs Mary, Hortensia, Hebden, Alpha, riolanus, arid Agenoria ; and the brigantine,Patience. • Ztl Atrir d off the Air!f;ht, the Samuel Brown, Reid, from the T he Ins and A scension. Lydia, Williams, bound t o Pl ym o u th , s un k y es t er d ay e a ,, ais ng at the junction of the Berkeley, Gloucester, and Stroud y a „ e Moon?, Howson, from Newcastle to Yarmouth, sunk a ..anout Thursday ranop ( hieftain (steamer), Owens, from Belfast to Liverpool, Ik'as tot lclit'hsaY h ot soine rocks off Donaghadee.on Tuesday evening, and had Ti l '‘ e 'e; l l got off the next tide. Castle (steamer), from Liverpool to Beaumaris, 3 . 105 t on Wednesday night on the Dutchman ' s Bank, 55 5 1Y eighteen passengers and three of the crew (out of 120) • sh,irXt tact of a letter from the Agent to Lloyd's, at Lisbon, dated tind er The prohibition regarding the sailing of vessels ti the Portuguese flag has been withdrawn; and the regula rtity relative to shipping from the Baltic have hitherto been only 4 11 0 . je r t ed to the keeping in quarantine of any suspected ships ' tlie discharge a their cargoes." _ - 110 THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. , thi, e `; In a Chancery report which appeared in your Paper of 'ary, ; I find some misstatements, which I deem . it neces st‘d4d 11 Justification of my character, to correct. It is therein that / was " I was an Executor and Trustee." I beg to state und er "ras neither one nor. he other, nor in any capacity of trust, the Will of my late father, the testator, except so far as sT.;t'a,nistering to the will, along with others, my brothers and to ad d (also defendants), upon the executor renouncing; and also pay 11i,. reference to my insolvency, that, being ordered to tb e ,;.!.? Court the sum of 243/. 4s. unableiths one month . from OF the order, and being to do so, within the hume'iln,Per.iod grantedtgh 1 could have done . so bad a froni time been me, an order of sequestratihn, Issued Was Vice -Chancellor's Court, a nd p ro p er t y b e l onging to me co sts 'l l , l . (l, nearly th ree g ears ago, amounting to 12791. 3s. 2d. ! to I?!. ,r eon 451/.1 ls. Id., le av i ng an a ll ege d b a l ance o f 351 . 1 25. 8 d. to into Court, in order to clear my contempt under that shall d,tai, abstain at the present from enterin competent further rn„ , .of the suit, with observing that it is by autlio lie4tiP whom I have submitted my case, considered that a pub systen thereof will tend to throw fresh light upon the vicious co nd ,,' of Chancery practice, and (more especially) the nefarious i,.. 4v, , tet of practitioners. In Britain alone, under colour of theira,Euty, men who have done no wrong are torn from Dre , _ ,amil ies—incarcerated for years, to the destruction of their l' 4 - Z r tY, Peace of mind, and future prospects. The Reformed and rriTent will prove of little avail if . such evils be not remedie4, Itio re n '.,liherty and property of Englishmen secured upon a basis I b e " r nPatible with justice and equity. g the favour of your inserting this letter in your next pub lation ki ee , -s an obligation conferred on, Sir, yours, ,&c. 'rison, Aug. 19. WILLIAM SANDERSON. THE MARKETS.-(THIS DAY.) COVENT..GAIII T; 1 ve great supply 1 teY dull trade. Most kinds o . r ah a , 0n,... this day se'nnight ; Pr.?' --41 ~uoseberries, Pot... s d. F. d C;' (° i, eg (eWt.) 3 Oto6 and Clierri ea -a "' (12 beads) 0 9 1 6 • N or te Ulithrivers ... ... 2 0 5 0 ii Itat lishibuode) 5 0 8 0 Feir'leoli 0 9 1 6 yrery . ................... : 8 . 1 0 ?„,?,. 4 0 6 0 1., 0 ~-.R Tu rnips 2 0 3 6 l es lO 1 c ,u4g O snions .... '2 0 30 1 4.ewort or Greens 1 0 2 6 See ks 1 0 1 6 • s„,. 12 ~ ilv"ie Orange.s (100) 8 Co-nr,ti . 8 0 14 s , .................. ~., ....ettUces (score) 0 8 I t 3 'C'ubb4ge ditto 03 0 0 hse9rribers (brace).— 0 3 0 6 ped,hes (12 hands) (. 401 es (dozen) >re, ,-,. 1 6 3 0 Ate, vages 4 0 10 0 p4' u ns (each) 8 0 10 0 Apples (lb.) )EN MARKET. this morning's market, with a Plums are considerably cheaper ice• otherwise stationary. Cur ies, seem to have disappeared. s d. s. d. Spillage (half-sieve) 0 4 too 6 Green Pease 'French Beans 0 6 1 6 Young Apples '3 0' 5 0 ; Pears 5 0 7 0 Common Green Gages 2 6 5 0 Black" Plums 2 0 4 0 Damsons 3 6 5 0 ispan. Chesnuts (peck) 6 0 10 0 French ditto 4 0 6 0 Spanish Hazlenuts 6 0 10 0 trench Walnuts 6 0 10 0 Brazilian Nuts....: 2 0 4 o Eug. Grapes (per lb.) 4 0 8 0 Foreign 0 8 1 0 Cherries 0 8 1 0 Filberts Sea-kail (pummet) 0 9 1 6 Endive 0 6 0 9 Sallads 0 2 0 4 Orleans Plums 1 3 4 0 Mulberries (pottle) 0 4 0 8 HAY M ARK ETS.—( A t per Load of 35 Trusses.) CUMBERLAND (LATE ST. JAMES'S.) (• 04, 1 £2 10 to £2 15 V Q , ( _ - , , eavy Lowland Meadow Hay h, v meadow Hay 3 5 310 . chit ()Id Int 30 4 0 t:_neeti_laand in/LlZ;',..z);:fß )e-grass Hay ...... 3 5 310 oT t y str i a t , Y ................. .:. .... .. A goal LI 8 to ' XI 101 Wheat:ttaw ll4 116 CNoeawrss.heavy boPPly, and a dull trade; prices as last quoted. Lowla l d Meadow Hay SMITHFIELD. £2 5 to £2 10 ~ meadow Hay 0 10 3 10 V.‘eful Old Ditto 2 15 3 5 one Upland Meadow and Rye-grass Hay ...... lover Ha (extra fine) ..£6 6... Generally /le straw y ...... A I 8 tr . ) . .£ I 101 Wheat Straw 1 14 . 1 1 16 th at s 11Ieadow Hay Is., fine Old Clover Hay (is. per load . lug icy and . 4 L't quoted ; prices otherwise stationary. Supply limited, 'tale rather brisk. ' FINE ARTS. We . hav e j ust seen a picture of our Saviour en „itt.a!?"l. on ston e b y Mr. Wilkin, from th e fa mous 14j441 Painti ng o f A nnibal Caracci, which does great painting to the skill and perseverance of the en• ;4e"P.r. It i s surprisingly soft and delicate in It 3 ti cott on, and must have cost Mr. Wilkin consi .lible t i me and trouble. The expres3ion 'of the g~naluri . Is well preserved. SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. : % I‘l l GOOD WO OD RACES. Iv h i NI) Ay Ntc; HT.-The race - course thi s a f ternoon ekirni tilliantly attended, the Cup day here, as at Ascot, ko a , b g the sup er i or i ty of attraction. Amongst a vast 13 4 k O r of fashi oua b les we obst . rved tl e Duke of Portland, t itlja e and Duchess of Aron, Duke of Richmond, Mar of M archioness of Exeter, Alarrylis and Marchioness t erh Eat] and Countess of Errol, Earl of Ches. Of A';'l,4, EarlJersey,' Earl Verulam, Earl Stradbroke, Earl ilAnson, Lord John Fitzroy, Lord Lord Lord Adolphus Fitzclarence, Lord Vil 011°N - 6 4 ,!r‘h Av , 4 ,1 . 11(1 A. Lennox , Count Matuscewitz, e1,44 --ne ral ". Grosvenor, Earl rtlountcharles, Sir M. Wood, 1 Anson, Colonel Russell, Lord Sidney, Lady Chi ?%l4l,:rl' C aptain Deng, Mr. Greville, Colonel Udny, Mr. f Nb r i Colonel Chichester, Lady S. Lennox, Earl o Lady G. Paget, Hon. B. Craven, &c. 7to , BETTI N G ON THE COURSE. 6to agst Lord Jersey's Riddlessvorth (taken) 9 i agst Mr. Skipsey's The Saddler (taken) 4) to I agst Lord Cleveland's Marcus . . 11 to ! agst Mr. Houldsworth's Circassian 11 to - agst Lord Fitzwilliam's Creole 1:3 to ; agst Lord Cleveland's Chorister lo t o 1 agst Mr. Bower's Sir John IG 1 agst Mr. Robinson's ,,,xlverpool to I a gst Lord ScSca rborough's Brother to Tarrare 2 2 , 1 agst M r. Vansittart's Rubini z-,;(21 a gst Air. S a dl er ' s D e li g h t % i`). I agst Mr. C e ,, ke ' s Incubus 110 t o 1 agst ls l. Beard s worth's olwick ,t..ken, , 0 t o 1 ( agst Joan of Arc (taken') Th(wi agst Mr. Stoneheuer s . Zans, ~,,. , e f 1 1 0 fell lame while at exercise this morn' . n .) i,''f,lllth.“:l°,jog horses have broken down in ti the course .a --*AetIO. '. ? 'Re. b :-- t , rynaus, Zany, Crescent, and Falcon . 411) Al. ' A -.tie' 10 .—Sweepstakes of 50 sovs. each. One Lord ~ mile. Value 700 sovs. 1) e.rularo's b. c. Vestris rtfi.. ekeot Richmoud's hr. c. Selictar I. Lu id .... I s's f. by Little John The , urford's Naiad Plate Of 50 sovs., added to a swcepsta,s of kr (.. 10 soy.. each. T. Y. C. heats. Atr. ...reville's Adam Brock 1"), k'artmer's Guildford o 3 1 4 4 r, .-„„"f Richmond' names Wandering 80y.....• : 3 2 lii _4',.l°s• Ilulkeley Sober Re,bin (h. b.) 4 4 I,,,mala)esty's Plate of 100 QS. Three miles. , 14 Lowthers Brother to Gayhurst k xeter's Antliony NI of R ~ klimond's Plate of 100 sovs. O ne in il e . 4 .ot i d e p ,x , _Reic h roond's Cuid a d Roclii:;o et 's Anthony I 1 4 b it,' - ~,.. t to Yesterd ay, the I9th instant, aged 31. 1 1 t lL 'I :' lIENay PFEzr„ late of Judd-street, Bruns itti °tt '4 Nl 4 :'• The deathambed of this estimable young mu. fl, r l rt lnarltahle exple of the suprort and conso• vVI from religion. 'MPERIALPARLIAMENT (THIS DAY). HOUSE OF COMMONS. The SPEAKER took his seat at Twenty Minutes after Twelve o'clock. • Mr. JAMES presented a petition from the bankers; Merchants, and other inhabitants of Carlisle, for x reVision.of the criminal code, and for the abolition of the punishment of death, in cases of house rot,he:y unatcompanied with personal Violence. Mr. BLA MIRE , presetited petitions 'train tin? toWnship of Brigham, and from Cockermoiith in Cumberland, for a revision of the criminal cede. Mr. HODGES presented ipetition from the inhabitants of several parishes in the vicinity of Dover, against the use of mo lasses in distilleries.---Bead, and ordered to be referred to the Committee. Mr. BENETT presented a petition from Horsham, complaining of the great influx of Irish labourers, and praying for the.eaa blishment of a system of Poor Laws in Ireland. Mr. PENDARVES presented petitions from Truro and Fal mouth, against the punishment of death ; and frona.the latter place for the abolition of the duty on marine insurances.— Ordered to be printed. Captain J. GORDON moved for a return. of the names of .persons in the Commission of the Peace in the county of Wex. ford, on the lit of the preseht Month. Sir J. NEWPORT observed that a very short period had elapsed since a list of all the Magistrates in Ireland was printed for the use of the House, and he begged to know if the Hon. Member had any particular reason in moving for a separate list for Wexford. The Hon. Baronet adverted to the Hon. Mem ber's " itinerant" legislation for Ireland. Captain GORDON said that his reason was that at a late meeting in the county of Wexford, some persons took part who were in the commis,ion of the peace, and some who were not, and he wished for a list of those who were, with a view of found ing some ulterior measures. As to his " itinerant" legislation, as . the Hon. Baronet called it, it had Conduced as much to the Well being of Ireland as any exertions made by the Hon. Baronet, and he thought it would accord better with the dignity of the House if such observations were spared. After a few words from Mr. WALKER; Captain GORDON consented to withdraw his Bill. LORD—LIEUTENANTS OF IRELAND BILL. Mr. STANLEY moved , the third reading of the Lord-Lieute nants of Ireland Bill. Sir .1. NEWPORT rose to support the Bill, as establishing a - responsible authority between the people and the Government. At present there were In some counties One Governor, in others three or five, and in some as many as six or seven, all appointed at different periods, and recommended by different people. The Hon. Baronet gave the Bill his cordial support. Mr. O'CONNELL rose to move that the Bill be read a third time this day threemonths. He should not repeat what he had before said upon this subject, though it was a very novel one to the House. That an alteration in the present system in Ireland was necessary no onecould deny, for the present system worked badly. The complaints against Magistrates, particularly in the north of Ireland, were exceedingly numerous, and created great dissatisfaction ; and another great evil was the present mode of communication with the Irish Government. But this Bill would, instead of curing the evil, make it greater than at present ; it would go towards neutralizing the effects of the Reform Bill, and would make a powerful boroughmonger in each county, for the Lord Lieutenants would be per sons of gi-eat influence in the several counties.—(Hear.) The effect of the Bill would be to set up in every count) , in Ire: land a species of despot through whom alone all communica tions to Government could be made—the star by whose , light every minor politician should have to steer his course, or give up his expectations of arriving in the peaceful haven of • Ministerial favour. Ireland was not in a state for such powers to be entrusted to any, as those which Lords-Lieutenants would be invested. Public opinion was decidedly against the Bill, and its introduction would most materially aggravate instead of_ allaying the 'spirit of party. which was now the bane and curse of Ireland. Govern ment might no doubt by this means increase their patronage. They wanted a Government in, Ireland to support these: who supported them, and now there was a wealthy bishopric vacant, why should it not be filled by the only Bishop in Ireland who bad always been a Whig in politics , • always popular with all classes, respected by all persuasions, and even loved by those who differed from him, he meant th e Bishop ef Killaloe.—(Hear.) He (Mr. O'C.) did not wish to traduce the Magistracy of anypart of Ireland, by his opposition to the Bill, but he wou'd, however re luctantly, take the sense of the House upon its third reading, to record his sentiments on the kUbject. tie therefore begged leave to move as an amendment, that the Bill be read that day six months. - Sir RICHARD MUSGRAVE seconded the amendment. Colonel CONOLLY proteited against the vituperation in dulged in by the Hon. and Learned Member for Kerry, and would support the Bill because it would, as he thought, • give great satisfaction to the people. Sir R. PEEL was not blind to the difficulties which the Bill might create; but in the balance of evils, as the measure was calculated in .no mean degree to remedy a state of things which had for •the last twenty or thirty years very much complained of, he would certainly support the Bill.— The Lord Chancellor had no means of ascertaining the characters of Magistrates, and the Bill held out an encourage ment to residency. The powers were indeed considerable; but it was much better to give large powers to one responsible per son, than to have many persons who were irresponsible. And if a good pgima facie case could be fairly established, of abuse by admissions or exclusions from corrupt motives, that House would exercise a confront over the Lord-Lieutenant in the most remote county in Ireland. _ Lord ALTHORP said the measure had met very general sup port from the Irish Members. Mr. RUTHVEN concurred in the propriety of passing the Bill. Lord KILLEEN observed, that as it was intended to press the question to a division, he begged to state that his opinions were lavourable to the Bill, and he should, therefore, vote for its passing. Mr. LA MBERT supported the Bill, considering the arguments urged against its passing to be utterly void of soundness. After a few words from Mr. WALKER strangers were ordered to withdraw, but Mr. O'CONNELL stated he should not now press the question to a division, as he considered he had sufficiently taken the sense of the House upon the question in bringing it forward. The Bill was then read a third time and passed. REFORM BILL. The House then resolved itself into a Committee on the tie ' form of Parliament, (England) Bill, Mr. BERNAL in the Chair. The CHAIRMAN then read the alterations intended to be made in clause eighteen, when Mr. HUGHES rose ter the purpose of knowing why so great an alteration had taken place in the present clause. He wished to know, the tadnsd,t, or e r m a o n r y e o s t o h h e r p o u t s s e o i , t i s h , a d w b e e r e e n t o i n t b i e m a s t t e r d u c t k o ou him ,t that thereby the necessity for the motion of which ha had given notice would be avoided. Those words had not been struck out and the object of the clause rendered simple, but the most mysterious clause had been substituted in its stead. He trusted before the House proceeded with the discussion of this clause, it would be favoured with some statements from the Noble Lord (Althorp). As to the construction Ministers put upon the clause as it at present stood, it was a perfect mystery. , Lord ALTHORP stated, that the object of the clause was, that freeholders should only be deprived of voting for counties when they possessed the right of voting for towns. It was cor.- sidered that it would produce a great public inconvenience, if those towns to which representatives were given were to over power the county constituency, and by their votes, influence and controul the county constituency. Mr. H. HUGHES said that by the original clause a freeholder in a town of less than 101. a year would have his right of voting for the county continued to him, bbt if it was 101. and upwards he lost his vote. A freeholder might possess property in a borou hg suffi cient to qualify him for a Member of Parliament for that borough, yet he . would have a right to vote for the county in respect of that properq. He also complained of the alteration respecting leaseholders and copyholders, and of the obnoxious division of counties. The present clause he considered to be made contrary to good faith. Mr. WARBURTON could not agree that there had been any breach of good faith, because the clause was drawn up in accord. ante with the assurance of the Noble Lord and his friends. The admission of such a numerous class as the agricultural tenants at will, would go to overpower the borough constituency. The balance of power would be entirely destroyed for the agricul tural tenants, by voting for the county, would overbear the bo rough constituency. This he conceived to be a most impolitic measure. • Mr. F:LEWlSadyerted to the operation of the Bill in what he called rural boroughs. He took, for example, Wemlock, in which many large farmers resided; every one of whom, living in li.aises of 101. value yearly, would be entitled to vote for the borough. Suppose one of them posse sed a farm of 5001. a year ; he acquired, as indeed he ought, a burgage tenure ; but the claim was so drawn out as to take in all the land he occupied. --(Hear, hear.) The value of the land was included in the value of the house, so as to give him a right to vote fur the borough, but would take away his right of voting for the county ; this he (Mr. F. Lewis) considered to be an unjust measure. He would propose that the quantity of land to be valued in the rural boroughs should be limited to 500/. and that whatever remained should belong to the freehold, putting the occupier of it upon the same footing as any other separate occupier. to the amount of 50/. Lord -A LTHORP said, if he understood the Hon. Members meaning it was, that if a man had property to the amount of 10001. a-year;there was no reason why that man should have only one vote, whereas only 501. was the qualification. But the argument, if it meant anything, applied .with equal force to householders also, and if it was to be considered hard that the holder of property to the amount:of 10001. should have only one vote, it was equally hard that the occupierof a house ofa greater value tban 101. should berestricted to one. He did not see how any distinction between the two cases could well be maintained. No person should therefore vote for a county in respect of any freehold, however occupied by him, for which he might acquire a vote for a borough —nor in respect of certain copyholds and leaseholds in the borough. If the clause was rejected altogether, and if the voters of the large towns were throw:, upon the counties, he should then consider their interests decreased considerably. The CHAIRMAN then put the original amendment, and also that proposed by Mr. Hughes, for the insertion of the additional words not exceeding five acres,' when Mr. WYNN wished to know if a freeholder had a freehold in a town he would be entitled to vote for the county. ' Lord ALTHORP said he certainly would if he were a free holder, but if a copy holder or leaseholder he would not. It was not intended by the present clause to deprive him of any right that he at present possessed Mr. WYNN considered copyhold a species of freehold. He felt considerable feeling confident it would not a ctions to ntheswe present clause, as amen d ed, r. Sir G. CLERK could not conceive on what principle copy_ holders and leaseholders could* be co nsidered entitled toth franchise, while those who had just the same species ofproperty in the country were deprived of that right altogether. He thought it infinitely better to adhere to the original clause, than make the alteration proposed. Lord MILTON contended that the clause now under consi deration would exclude the boroughs from having any influence in the counties, a principle evidently erroneous. The Bill and the extent to which it had gone, had his hearty su port, but the present , claim was highly objectionable. H e would Wilts, which by the di v i sion of divided into north and so u th districts. would d tio b n e in north were seven boroughs, of which three weree , r h e n be s g e g h e e d - countieso taketh eits dule B, and the others allowed t w o , Members each. T a ki ng thesethe H s o e u ve se n bo to ro co ug u h si s d f er rom the o u ne b d o i w stri sm ct the pohecorut the county y would be left to exercise the borough franchise. (LEFT SPEAKING.) Among the latest fashionable arrivals at Ton. bridge Wells, are the Archbishop of ARMAGH and Lady ANNE BERESFORD and family, Lady PULTENEY, Ikon. Mr. and Mis. STAFFORD JERNINGNAm, Mr. LAWRENCE and Lady JANE PEEL, Goneral and Mrs. POPHAM, Sir WILLIAM GEALY, Bart., Mr. LESTER LESTER, ALP., Mr. BALDWIN, M.P., iinti Mrs. FITZUERBERT. At the Court of Common Council on Thurs day last, 111 r. PEACOCK presented a petition from Mr. CHAPMA N, proprietor of the Milton-street Theatre, pra)- ing that he might he allowed to tike a lease of a vacaht piece of ground in Inoondi ld.street, for the purpose of erecting a theatre. The petition was referred to the City Lands Committee. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. .110.tISE OF LOPDS, Aucusr 19: In the absence of the LORD CHANCELLOR, the Earl it SICAFTESBURY took his seat on the Woolsack at Five o'clock. The Candle Duties Repeal aid the Msessed Taxes Bills were read a second time, Lord KiNG w presented several petitions praying for the abolition of tithes, and that some other mode of paying "the' clergy Might be devised. I ' The NottE UM) also presented petition numerously signed, complaining strongly of the cons±nct of the yeo manry at Newtownbarry. The Earl of WICKLOW said that he Would decidedly oppose the reception of -the petition. He thought the Noble Lord seemed to be aware that it ought not to be re'- ceived by their Lordships, and if it was not withdrawn, he would certainly-take the sense of the House upon it. Lord KING then withdrew the petition. Lord KING then presented a petition from the manu facturers of some place, the name of which we could not catch, praying that the hours of children's working in manufactories might be limited. • Lord TENTERDEN then entered, and took his seat on the Wool,aek, and the Arbitration and Interpleader Bills went through a Committee, and the reports were ordered to be. brought up on Monday. Lord TENTERDEN introduced a Bill, the same as the one he brought in last Session, for altering the time of prescription. The Earl of WICKLOW gave notice that on Monday he would put some questions to his Majesty's Ministers on the subject of the Reform Bill. The House then adjourned till Monday. HO USE OF COMMONS, Atraysr 19. The SPEAsEi took his seat at about Half-past Three o'clock. • Lord DUDLEY STEWART presented a petiti(n from a respectable individual, the Mayor of Arundel, in the county of Sussex, stating in the first instance that the Re, form Bill now before Parliament would be: incomplete, unless the protection of the ballot was afforded to places of a small constituency, so that mine influence might be prevented. In this prayer the Noble Lord tia'd he could not concur, although he knew there were many persons in this country who wished for the ballot; when, however, it should be brought on, he would give the subject his best consideratimi. The petitioner also complained that Members were appointed nn Corn in ittees on private Bills, who were interested parties to the subject befo:e them. He instanced a case of a Road Bill, which went into a dun mittee in the last Session, which was lost, and that several Members of that Committee were subscribers to the pre posed undertaking. The petitioner complained of inelivi-; duals being thus appointed on Committees as judges in matters that concerned themselves. The Noble Lord con= curred in this part'of th e petitiOn- . -- A long but very uninteresting AiscussiOn. took place between the SpeOser, Mr. HoWard, Mr. Hunt, Mr. Hume, Alderman 'Atkins, Sir G. Clerk, Lord Morpeth, and 'Mr. Wynn. The objection made to the pet Non was that it conveyed a general complaint against Members of Committees who were interested' in cer:ain Bills, and who were Members of the last Parliament, relative to certain grievances; but the petitioner did not state that he hal suffered any grievance. 'The petition was read, and ordered to lie on the table: STEAM-BOATS NAVIGATION .BILL. _ _ Mr. HODGES presented a petition from the Corpora. tionof Gravesend against this Bill. Mr. Alderman WOOD said he hail brought in this Bill by Abe desire of the Lord Mayor and Aldermen of London, who had themselves been witnesses of the great injuries accruing from the rapid rite at which steam-boats pro ceeded on the Thames; he hoped that the Bill would be allowed to go into a Committee up stars, where all parties who were opposed to it would have ample Opportunity of enforcing those objections, and having them ful:y discussed. The Bill was of very great importance, and since its in troduction into this House he had had upwards of 100 let ters upon the subject, stating a variety of injuries that had occurred by the racing of steam-boats. Mr. MABERLY thought that if this Bill were passed, to regulate the pace at which steam-Imats shou:d travel, they would next have a legislative enactment to limit the pace at which persons should go home in their carriages or on horseback.—(Laughter.) The very essence of the Bill was to regulate. the pace at which steam-boats should go, and that would destroy one,of the great benefits aris ing from steam, viz. expedition.—(lfear, hear.) Ile had no ojection to punishment for improper conduct; but he could not agree to allowing any Bill to p ass a stage in silence, when it might afterwards turn out that it ought'never to have been introducedat aIL Mr. O'CONNELL was of opinion that the rapidity of steam boats ought to be checked on such a crowded river as the Thames. Mr. HODGES wished the Hon. Alderman to postpone bis Bill until Monday week, to allow the Corporation of Gravesend time to prefer their claims. Mr. D. W. HARVEY agreed in the principle of this Bill, but he thought that in case of injury done to boats the penalty should go to the owners, and not to the Cor poration. Mr. HUME suggested that before the Bill was passed it ought to be ascertained whether the Corporation of London bad or had not the power of making the necessary regulations to inflict and enforce penalties. Mr. Alderman WOOD said the Corporation of London had no such summary power over steam-boat racers as that referred to by the Hon. Member for Middlesex, and which they exercised over stage-coach drivers in the city. The object of the Bill was to supply this, in order to check the nuisance that existed, and to prevent further mischief. The petition, was then received, and the second reading of the Bill was postponed till Monday. Mr. HUME presented sevenl petitions on the subject of education in Ireland, praying that all public grants should be made to persons possessing the public confidence, and that the good contemplated by Parliament, might be accomplished without reference to party principl es or for the exclusive encouragement of particul ar sects or religious opnions.—The petitions were order e d t o be • printed: The Horr. MEMBER also presented a petition from the North Western district of the National Union, stating that they approved most sincerely of the great liberality of the House in granting 100,0001. per annum to her Majesty in case she survived his Majesty, and praying that the same liberal spirit might be extended to the vridow of every operative, by granting to her an annuity of 251. He moved that the petition be brought up. The SPEAKER said, as the petitioners asked for a grant of money it would be informal to bring it up. Mr. HUME admitted that if the petitioners had asked for a direct grant of money it would haie been informal to present it, but they prayed that a law might be enacted to the effect which he had stated. Mr. COURTENAY thought the intention of the pe-* titioners was'evidently to throw ridicule upon the House and its proceedings. He believed that they never imagined that any attention would he paid to this petition, hut they had determined, at all events, 'to cast into disgusting ridi cule the resolutions and grants of that House. He should therefore divide the House upon the question of its reception. 1 Mr. STANLEY bad no doubt the petitioners never imagined that their petition would be granted. At the same time, it would be thought to be giving too great importance to the petition by refusing to have it brought up ;it would be muc h b et t er to h ave ei it laid upon the table, and that no further notice of it might be talon... Mr. HUNT would reiterate the language used by the Petitioners in calling this a profligate expenditure of the public money, and if be bad been in the House at the time of the gent he should have opposed it The SPEAKER called the Hon. Member to order. Mr. HUNT should perhaps apologise far having beeo absent on that occasion, but— • The SPEAKER remarked, that when a giant was made it was presumed that every Member was present, and it was harsh and nnparliamentary to charaeterise any act of the House profligate. Mr. HUNT would regret to make use of any language that might be termed harsh or unparliamentary, but in the present state of the poor in the country_. The lion. Member was again called to order by the SPEAKER, and Mr. HUME rose, and said he would object to the law as hid down by the Hon. Speaker. If he were wrong he might be, but he had on many occasiow called acts o! that House " mischievous," from the tendency they had ; " illegal," from their violating acknowledged principles to the Constitution ;" and " profligate," from their extrava gantly wasting the resources of the country. Sir JOHN NEWPORT thought it would be derogatory to the character of the House to receive such a petition. Colonel DAVIES hoped the Hon. Member for Middle sex would not press the receiving of the petition. Sir JAMES GRAHAM suggested the propriety of withdrawing the petition, for the purpose of having ti language of it corrected, as it at present stood, the petition. Was entitled to little or no attention. Sir RICHARD VYVYAN observed, that if the Hoo. Member for Middlesex was determined to press the rereving of the petition, be should certain!) , vote against him. Mr. HUME .stated, that he should .certainly withdraq ZI - the petitioe, Wit not an account of any of the reasons urged against its reception, but he should withdraw it tor the purpose of returning it to the petitioners, iu order that they might couch their prayer in more appropriate. terms. • u The petition was then Withdrawn. The How. MEMBER then presented fair petitions, one from the operatives of Glasgow, praying the House wotild withdraw the tax on Newspapers and cheap publications, and afford the petitioners the same opportunity of acquir ing information which the rich possessed. Aso from the 07-oper Itive Association of Lisson-grote l fts ths , same effect. A petition from the First Birmingham Co-operative Society, and one from the printers of the Rolls printing-office,' Stating that, by the existence df the present , law, they were • depriVed of the means of gaining a liielihood. The Hon. Member concurred in the prayers of all the petitioners, and trusted that the Chancellor of the Excite- 1 quer would give them his b e st attention. After a few words from Mr. CRESSETT PELHAM, do petitions were rrad. Mr. HUME . presented a petition frornWhitchurcb, county Cork, praying that the College of the Holy Trinity, Dub lin, might be made national, and that fellowships might be conferred by it without distinction of sect. After a few wordy from Mr. WISE, the petition wa. read. BISHOPRIC OF DERRY. Mr. FIUME postponed his motion respecting the Bishop ric of Deny to Tuesday week, on account of its inter ference with the Reform Bill. The Marquis of CHANDOS withdrew his motion which wood for to-morrow, for copies of communication. from ihe King of Belgium to the Governments of France and England, relating to the entry of the French troop into Belgium. GREAT GRISISBY ELECTION. _ . _ _ On the motion of Sir G. CLERK, the order of the day for the attendance of the returning officer of Great Grim.by at the bir was read, and the officer being cailed to the bar, The SPEAKER said, what is your name, Sir?—John What are you, Sir? Grimsby. Are you returning officer fn. that borough ?-1 . am. When did you receive the precept from the High Sheriff of Lincolnshire?—On Friday, the sth August. Did you give a receipt for that precept ?—I did. When did you make the precept for the election 2—The day following. When did the election take place ?—Wednesday the 10th. When did it conclude 2—About eight or nine o'clock the same day. When was the indenture of the election completed ? —The same evening. What did you do with the precept and indenture of the election ?—I handed it to the Town Clerk, for the purpose of his conveying it to the High Sheriff of Lincolnshire. Did you receive any directions when the precept was di rected to you, that you were to return it as soon as the election ended to the High Sheriff's office ?—I don't recol lect that I did. • P--. Mayor of the borough of Great • Are you sure that such direction not part of the direc tion transmitted with the precept of the High Sheriff's office ?—I can not take upon myself to say. After having put it into the hands of the Town Clerk, do you know any thing further of it ?—I do not. You never made inquiry whether it was returned to the Sheriff or not ?—I took it for granted that the Tnwn Clerk had done so. I thought it was the province of the Town Clerk to convey it to the High Sheriff, and I did not take any further notice of it. What is the Town Clerk's name ?—George Burke. Does he live at Grimsby ?—He does. Had you any communication with the Town Clerk with respect to the delay in this business ?—Yes, I went to the Town Clerk's house to know for what purpose I was to attend the Hon. House, and he told me he believed it was in consequence of the precept not having been returned in due time. Did the Town Clerk take part with any of the candi dates at the late election ?—I cannot answer that question ; I don't know. Did the Town Clerk vote at the election ?—I believe be did. For what party ?—For the Blue party I believe. Did the Town Clerk give any reason for delay ?—Yes, he said, when the writ was delivered to him to be returned,. he put it into a drawer, and afterwards quite forgot it. - Was the Town Clerk concerned on the late Grimsby Election Committee ?--I don't know that he was. Was he employed at the Committee?—l don't know, but I believe he was in town for about three weeks about that period. Is the Town Clerk employed as agent for Lord Yar borough ?-1 don't know that be is. Have you with you the letter or instructions which ac companied the precept for the Under Sheriff?—There was a letter directing the return, and I acknowledged the receipt of it by return of post. I don't know that it contained any particular instructions. Have you that letter with you ?—I have not the letter with me. Do you remember hearing it put to the Town Chrk, when he tendered his vote at the late election to say whether he was agent for either party or not?—l believe the question was put to him. Do you remember what the answer was ?—I thi n k hi s answer was that his services were gratis. Ordered to withdraw. CLERK said, though from the explanation which had been given at the bar by the returning officer, it perhaps appeared there was no great degree of blame attaching to him, yet it appeared that he had placed the precept in the hands of the Town Clerk, trust ing that be would forward it immediately to the High Sheriff, and took no further notice of th a t w hi c h it was his exclusive business to see properly done. He therefore thought the returning officer was not altogether to be exonerated from blame ; and though he was unwilling to propose any severe step, yet he thought the returning officer ought to be called to the bar again, to receive the admonition of the House from the mouth of the Speaker. The Hon. Baronet said he intended to follow up the pro ceedings by moving for the attendance of the Town Clerk --(Hear, bear)—which was indispensable to the inquiries which were now making into this circumstance. At present be should move that the returning officer be admonished by the Speaker, and cautioned as to any future negligence, and then discharged. After a few words from Sir THOMAS FREEMANTLE and Colonel Dawes, which were inaudible in the gallery, Mr. TENNYSON trusted that the Right lion. Gentle. man (Sir George Clerk) would not persist in the view which he had taken of the conduct of the returning officer. That officer had merely pursued the course which was usually pursued in the borough of Great Grim stead, viz. by putting the returns in the hands of the Town Clerk, to whom it was left to be returned to the Sheriff. He was sure the House did not wish that any thing in the nature of a reprimand should be given from the Chair to so respectable an individual as the Mayor, fur a reprimand c arr i e d with it feelings of a very unpleasant nature. As to the Town Clerk, a more respectable individual did not exist, nor one • more incapable of doing an act of in justice. Immediately the delay was known the Town clerk wrote to the Mayor, admitting that - he had re ceived the return, and that it was his duty to s end it to the Sheriff, but stating that from his I ong attendance in London, there had been a great accu mulation of business in his office, and that he had forgotten it, It bad no t b een usual to make an immediate return for how e y the of t Town hree or Clerk four d had the cou have Great Grimsby, an d h e f orgot that the present Pediment was actually s i t ti ng . --(Hear.) Ile (Mr. Tennyson) did not ow Isie slightest fa i v n o te u n red tion an o y f violating the l aw ; an d i ndeed be was at a loss to know party. . - Mr. W. WYNN, without intending to exaggerate the case, said it was certainly one well deserving the considera tion of the House, for it was clear that the borough had remained unrepresented for some time. He did not impute anything to any individual, but he could easily conceive that the delay would give a longer time to prepare a petition against the return ; fourteen days were usually allowed for petitionin g after the return ; whereas, in this case, owing to the delay, the period was extended to twenty days. He thought that the Town Clerk should attend the bar of the 'House, and that the Mayor should remain in attendance also, because it might happen that the Town Clerk had orders for what he had done. The returning officer was the responsible person, and it appea►ed he had turned over his duty to another. He should propose there fore that the Mayor attend again on Tuesday next and that the Town Clerk be requested to attend on the same day. Lord ALMORP had no objection to the proposition, but added that if the Mayor had only conformed to the custom of the borough, it would be too much that he should be reprimanded from the Chair. He thought it would be more advisable that the Town Clerk should he in attendance. After a few words from Mr. CROKER and Sir GEORGE CLERK, it Was ordered that the Mayor should attend tht House again on Tuesday, and that the Town Clerk• shouh. attend on the same day. Lord ALTHORP moved the order of the day for tln House going into a Committee on the Reform Bid. Mr. HUGHES HUGHES, seeing the Honourable Sletulisr for Stamford in his place, bilged to refer bin! to a WI! of sale of sand land and other property at San down, and asked if the sale was to take place on the du% named, andif so, whether ti,e r. ctolitions would not be al tered, gi as to afford see urity to the pat:hatters against the inundation of at eta? Mr. TENNYSODi stated / that the site wag postponed for ,the present, until some ificinity tvl+ 'nide upon 64. subject: REFORM BILL. 'ne 1-I,,use then resofved i±!elf into a Cornmittce on th • Reform Bill, Mr. BERNAL in the Chi:, Lord ALTHORP said that afier the vote of !a..t night, it was necesaaty,to make some alterations in the Wdrciing of the Bill, and to intiotitine Berne provisions which that vote had in effect declared to be tectt•qtry. Jt had now been determined to admit tenants at will of is :d to vote in counties. He supposed that it was not the intentien of th. House to exclude tenants at will of le uses without land, but paying the same amount of tent, from the eiijoymen• of the same franchise. That would he unfair, and he be lieved that the House did not intend t, make that distine mien. With that view he had drawn up some words which he thought ought to be inserted in the clause in the room of those which had been omitted. The words, as they appeared in the printed Bill, were, " Or by any lease, assignment, or other instrument, for any term not less than seven years, whether detertninable on a life or live, or not, whereon a yearly rent of not less than 501. shall he re served, or for which a Ike or premium of not less than pounds shall have been paid." These words were now left out. As in the case provided by the Bill, as it originally stood, the term of seven years was inserted as a protection to the occupying tenant, and as the motion of the Noble Lord had given to ail tenants of that amount of rent the right of voting, if they paid that rent on land, lie now proposed that tenants who paid that amount of rent should have the same right of voting if they paid that grnourit on houses, withnit lands attached to them If such houses should happen to be let out to sub- tenants, be proposed that they should still enjoy the right of voting, and the value of the premises would -be easily ascertained, by finding the difference betwen the amount they received intl that which they paid. There would, perhaps, be some little difficulty as to the time of registration and oecup '- Lion, hut he believed the clause, as lie had frame,l it, would be found sufficient for all purposes. He proposed, after the words in clause 16, " rot less th in ten pounds above reprizes," to add these words :—" or demised for a term of not less than twenty years, whether determinable on a life or lives, or not, and whereon a yearly rent of not lees than 501. sha'l be reserved." After this he should pro pose to add these words—" or who shall occupy and farm for the space of twelve calendar months, before the Ist of November in the present year, or before the Ist of August in any succeeding year, any lands at an annual rent of not less than 501., or who shall occupy on his own account as tenant thereof, for twelve calendar months before the Ist of November in the present year, or before the Ist of August in any succeeding year, any lands or tenements for which he is Loan, fide liable, at the yearly rent of 501." Colonel SIBTHORPE rose and said, that the motion upon which the division took place last night respecting clause 16, he (Colonel Sibthorpe) should ever consider as his motion. Such he know was the feeling and opinion of the House; it had happened on this point alit had often done in military life, that one led on the troops, planned the battle, bore the brunt of the campaign, and another stepped in and carried off the medal, as the Noble Marquis had done in taking the division. Mr.•ESTCOURT said there was a species of e,tate of copyhohl, for instance, leased out at twenty-one years, perpetually renewable every seven years, at a pepper-corn rent, and on which a 6ne of less than SOO/. was paid. To cover that objection, he shou'd propose these wordq, or of which the clear yearly value shall at the time of grant ing the same he equal to the sum of SOL" The ATTORNEY-GENERAL thought that the clause, as it would stand upon ' the introduction of the Noble Lord's amendments, would sufficiently meet the case which the Hon. Gentleman seemed to contemplate. Colonel WOOD said, that it seemed to him some words were necessary for the regulation of the registration of votes. As the matter of registration would be a great ex-- pence to the clndidates as well as to the country, he should take an opportunity of expressing his opinion upon it. Sir. C..WETHRELL thought that it won!d he found that the dates now mentioned by the Noble Lord would be productive of inconvenience. He believed it would be found necessary to alter the dates in the Bill. • Lord ALTHORP had inserted some of those dates .merely pro furnta to fill up the blanks, as the precise dates could not in those cases be yet determined. The last day of August had been fixed on for the registration ; at that season the Barristers, who sheuldirmulate the-registration, would have most leisure to attend to.that duty. The object of the registration itself wu to prevent the „delay and in terruption which would be occasioned by an investigation of the elector's qualification at the poll. The only ques tion to be decided at the poll .would then be, the identity of the voter. Sir J. SCARLETT thought that the Bill would give rise to more disputed elections than occurred under the present law. As the clause then before the Committee was expre,sed, it would enable a person who had been twelve months in the occupation of a house to vote after he had ceased to be an occupier, if the overseer was so accom modating as to leave him upon the list. Now, if such cages could not be decided at the poll, there would neces sarily be petitions against a great many returns, after every general election. Lord ALTHORP moved an amendment in the same dance (the 16th), for the purpose of giving a vote to the original taker of a lease of 50 or 20 years, so long as that lease shall be to him of the value of 101. a year, even though he should not be himself the actual occupier ; and giving a vote also to the occupying tenant of the same holding, provided that such tenant pay to the original lessee the rent of 501. a year. Sir JAMES SCARLETT, in a conversation across the table with the Attorney-General, proposed some verbal alterations, but in so low a tone that we could not collect what was the object of his amendment. Sir C. WETHERELL said, that the amendment of his Hon. and Learned Friend was necessary, to prevent nominal lessees from voting. Lord ALTHORP thought that his Hon. and Learned Friend, the Attorney-General, had given a satisfactory answer to that objection on a preceding evening. He had stated, that it was only when the lease was of the real value of 101. a year to the original lessee, that it should confer a vote; but that if the lessee paid as rent himself the full amount which be received from the under-tenant, then he should have no vote. Mr. FERGUSON thought, that if the word value was clearly understood to mean a profit above the rent paid by the original ltssee, then the amendment of the Noble Lord was perfectly correct. The amendment was then carried. Mr. DENISON asked whether it was intended by that clause to give a vote for the county to a person having a house in one part of the county and a piece of land in another, of which the rents taken together amount to 50/. a year, whether these tenements be held of the Win or of different landlords? Lord ALTHORP answered, that separate holdings, of which the rents together amounted to 501., were intended to give the qualification ; and that it a man occupied in the town (that town not being a borough) a house at the rent of 201, and also held a piece of land in the county at the rent of 301., or paid in any other proportions two se• parate rents for such house and field, amounting together to 501. a year, that should be. a qualification to vote for the county. Mr. DAVIES GILBERT (whose observations were inaudible in the gallery) moved a further amendment in the same clause, restricting the right of voting on the qua . interest iificat ofh °nofinf°erritty-asnvbL. forty.shilling freeholds to persons seized of an Lord ALTHORP said that if the effect of the amend ment would be to exclude from voting persons purchasing freeholds of the value of forty shillings, he certainly could not agree to it. Mr. BARING said the clause would increase the faci lity for creating fictitious votes. He could command one hundred in Wiltshire on a very small property, if no alte ration Were made in the clause. Mr. FERGUSON supported the amendment. He hoped that the Hon. Mover would persevere in pressing it upon the adoption of the House, for be had no doubt it would be carried. Lord ALTHORP said that as the proposition then stood he had no objection to it ; for it was quite fitting that a distinction should be made between persons voting from leaseholds, and those who held freeholds: be doubted however, whether an interest for life should have the saint effect as leaseholds fur the lives of others. He also a difficulty as to whether freeholds of inheritance included those derived from marriage settlements. He wished that the Hon. Member would for the present withdraw amendment, and he should undertake, on the part of ti Government, that a clause effecting the o'iject which tli , Hon. Member had in view should be brought in before tl. Bill went through the Committe. Lord MILTON said, it was not worth while to mak , any arrangement for so small a class as those affected h ) marriage settlements. Mr. FERGUSON said, there were no settlem-n' under 101. a year. The amendment was then withdrawn. Some amend and discussed b y th e At hVit';etlierell; and Mr. S etleant I rffe.nts in tbe clime,nter!'y technical and reeni t , were i t to ls r e n u p T v ro G p t o .n se a d o h , y si h r l. C r. h l( a r n h. i .s . Wild - , Lord ALTHOHP said, that the time fir trilling, amend in rits in that clause had passed away. and that none (cold , now be made, except, upon the bringing up of the report, ;le clause could be altogether rejected or adopted; one cr the other' was the only course the Commit , ee could pursue. Mr. BARING then addressed the onus, upon the whohi clause, obses ying that it was torT irrp,;r , . - nt a duty for oveiNrr, to be entrusted with making out the list s . Really . , lo'.ii•gg at the whole clans', he mugt b.* -allowed to , say, that he thought it impossible td et7nFcive that intelli geet men should in the nresent time adop. snrk a patch work of smitrity as the clause under ronsideron: and the whole system of constituency under the Dill. He did not expect that the Committee world yield to any amendment of his, and he therefore should not propose one, bilt he must enter li:s pr....test against the whole framing of the County constituency as proposed by this 131 . 1. It tvoull be the means of complication, expence, awl fraud, by patting into the bands of attorneys, who wculd 'have to hoot - cut the voters, a power which ought not to Le possessed by them ; while, on the other band, if a proyar system had been adopted, all the diffieulties which now presented themselves would have ceased to exist. Lord ALTHORP eangenteltted the Hon. Gentleman ou having become a staunch Reertner—( A laugh and cheers)— for he had proposed a still more sweetiina clinn7,e than had yet been ventured upon.—(Cheers.) Great as had been the opposition to this Bill, he was convinced that, if the Ministers had come down with such a me.:sure as that pro posed by the Hon. G e ntl eman , th e opposition would have been ten times greater.—(Hear.) With respect to the pre cent plan being the means of throwing power into the lands of the attorneys, he begged to observe, as one who bad had some experience in contested county elections, 'that when a candidate wanted to know who had votes in a parish, it was not to an attorney that he applied, but to some respect able farmer who was on his side, and irom this s,uree lie al ways found that Le received the mos , . erent.nt, Mr. HUNT said, thatatter what lit,l p ,, ssA last night, he was sure that his favourite eyst-n of the tee adopted. Mr. S. WORTLEY thought that the Committee was not at present in a situation to say whether this. clause should stand a part of the Bill or not. He, ih'etefore, thought that it ought to be postponed till the Committee was cotepletelyuware of it, purport. Sir E. SUGDEN remarked, that an alteration in one clause might require alterations in other clauses, the consequence of which would be, that unless those 'latter alterations were made the Bill would rot dovetail. He was, therefore, also of opinion that the chime ought to be postponed. Lord ALTHORP thought that the chu'se Lad better be printed as amended, and then there 5,:114 be an op pot tunity for any alteration on bringing up the report. Mr. BARING contended that be bad not shown him self a staunch Reformer by advocatieg this: altention. The clause, as amended, was then agreed to. The CHAIRMAN then read the 17th clause. Sir E. SUGDEN thought that the elan Se Wag unne cessary; and that, indeed, there was danger in its en actment, lest, in re-enacting one of the provision's' that existed under the present law, and omitting 'anoti,et., it should be deemed that the one not re-enacted had ceased to exist. The ATTORNEY •GENERAL thought that it wculd be safe to hap this clause in the 13W. The clause was then agreed to. The CIIAIRMAN then proceeded to read the 18th clause, during which some conversation took place across tlte t dile between Lord ALTLIORP and Sir E. SUCDEN, the result of which, we believe, was that the .Nohle Lard con senttd to postpone the clause fur the present. The Committee then reverted to the Bth clause, Which has reference to the appointment of returning officers by the Sheriffs. Mr. MACKINNON thought this clause most objection. ab'e, because the Sheriffs having to appoint the returning offic,r would give rise to the greatest inconvenience. And yet there were twenty-five boroughs to be placed in' this situation, so that there would be fifty Memberi returned to that House by officers so appointed ; and though lie' no doubt that the Sheriffs would endt•avonr to act yet it was manifestly opening the door for undue inepittice being shown tow ar d s t h e one can did ate or the other. In the boroughs that had been disfranchised by this Bill there had been no such power in existence, and he therefore thought that it was most extraordinary, that in a measure, the object of which was to take away manage. a system should be introduced, the effect of which might be to `give it to the Sheriffs in the case of twenty-five boroughs ; espe cially as the power of the House might be se: a; defiance by the returning officer, after having made on undue pre ference, taking his departure for America or elsewhere. and so getting beyond the reach of punishment. The Hon. Member moved, that the words he had already given notice of in the eighth clause be struck out. He was proccedirg to read the amendment when he was interrupted. ' Some observations then took place as to the proper time of proposing this amendment, which was attain inter rupted by— Mr. STUART WORTLEY, who asked whether the Noble Lord had inquired into the propriety of appdnting the Master Cutler returning officer of Sheffield? lie conceived that person was not a proper returning officer. Lord ALTEIORP stated, that inquiry had ken made, and the Master Cutler was supposed to ho a proper person. Lord ALTHORP, in reply to an observation made by Mr. C. W. Wynn, stated that the duties cf the returning officer would be imperative ; and though he wonld have a duty to perform, he must perform it as ether duties were performed, gratuitously, and he might do that very Well, for the duty would last but a short time. If it were ne cessary that the returning officers should have magi-terial authority, and they had it not already, a clause might be introduced to give it to them. Mr. ROSS thought the returning offi era in semes:- tuvions were not persons of sufficient authority. He ob jected also to these persons 'having no remuneration. Ia old corporations there was the honour; there would be none in the new boroughs; and he hoped, therefore, the Noble Lord would alter his determination, and give these officers remuneration. Sir J. WROTTESLEY said, that the Han. Member under-valued the constables of certain places, to whom be believed the II n. Member al , uded, and who were chosen by the Leet Jury, and were respectable men. The Hon. Baronet defended the mode of appointing returning officers, particularly as regarded Wolverhampton, Walsall, and Bir mingham. The Sheriffs had an onerous duty to perform, which they were obliged to undertake against their will. He saw no reason, therefore, for deparoing from the an cient principle of the Constitution, in appointing new re turning c fficers, and giving them a salary. Sir C. WETHERELL said, forty Members would he reared up by this Bill, and he thought therefore, that the returning officers should be responsible persons. The per sons named as returning officers in the schedule were net compellable to tike upon themselves that office. They might refuse, and, therefore, the new House might, perad venture, be short of some of these Members. Some strin gent words were therefore necessary to Ue added to the clause, to compel these officers to do their dote. The clause had been twice amended, hut it was )et so deeetive that it would not answer its intended purpose. As to the returning officers to be appointed by the Sheriff, he shared the opinion of the lion. Nlemb,r who proposed the amendment. The Sheriff was never the returning officer of any borough. It was his duty to eontronl the return ing officers. There mieht be some difficulty in selecting such officers for some districts, like Saffron-hill, for ex ample; but be objected strongly to the returning officers being appointed by the Sheriff. He thought the clause should be further adjourned, and if any person would move such an adjournment he would support it. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said, if at the end of the Committee any gentleolan entertained any doubt of any of the clauses, they should be ready to take such clauses into consideration, with a view to remove those doubts. This did not imply that he himself had any doubts as to the meaning of any clause. He contended, in opposition to his lion. and Learned Friend, that the clause did compel the returning officers to do their duty. They were ap pointed to do duties by the Inv, like overseers, or con stables, or other persons. They wore appointed by the Act of Parliament, like the returning officers ; and if they did not do their duty they would be subject to indict. nent for it, and might, perk cps, be I.reogbt to tie bar of that House. As to the persons appeintedAiy the Sheriff, they would he appointed also mailer the authority of the Act, and would be obliged to do their duty. .Sher fn were likely to be good judges of the capabibues of pers. ns proper- to be returning officer., and those et orning tflc. ra or Sheriffs who did not do their duty were liable, under the Act, to be severely punished. His Hon. and Learned Friend's mention of Saffron-hill was intended °lily as a passing joke on the Bill, for be was sure tiat in that dis trict there were a great many persons quAified to fulfill the duty of returning officers. Sir CHARLES WETHERELL he or fis t his L e arned Friend stated! that ti ti! cf i ;:ii e t ~, nc Attorney-General cvas wrong ; but if l,a,lesitif,f,e.:: wrung he .vas wr, n, with the At orncy-Gen rid l i returning officer did nit confer on his noinnue alt • s r •ce:- ,ibility of the Sheriff. He affirmed, for his own p th a t a users dcclarati9n of an Act of Parliament that 7,ME1111