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110 1 7 1 , 4 nay, these 010, o may not ve r ..o / , that it was o ' 4 the circtunstsv„ itieo w they caw wi t of seeing ullt. to the 11,4,117, :his I, ( 11 c°ll qt e t ' r nxious to ei ac tion brn u g ' stion of Irelan a fters' I see tha t be li increasing t irch. BY ° l9l hi discs' f ts wee of de f t the w orki n g ne ' l . p, with ° g er b 193ty'-oti ditninr I 01 I ttinwise l P o n cement, m ir i n erf chial cle r gy io te g reatly P r ' n of aal 1 0 • tere , " I r the Burn" ' re; ted ICiagd ° ,"!,,' e / ei that to tuj " g` „ t h 7ee ding, '°' t he that COunty; rofits would .ot, in, d to the gr!,„, t t a worse c o n v v , s matter Ire° fa of our 0 ?e e irioneY e be % r for wpulation cp ,t ° best a t ty, we learn oo old fashion ed if the scieurei 6, t hat, . one a 9 „ tr is , e in its " o h - a s ifes,orf t of this 5°9 , - ,, e or h that th e I. 4i n a London so ; 0 , gland but ". id by no mean dispositiono mo'm'e nt c l l ' et to , r are, 3 13° 00 . , s this que s, ' i 11 that he w ea tn lay ? Eve . aeo n tot the r e ' part of the roe . Alembel n qd )m pktely r itice of the P r o .' nu ts at surelY " tere o sincer IY desire to t frie aof every prose , that th e to ireumstan" o ferp n he is 001 r i 0 0 1 I n". ; and to i efficiency' po" in a In i.ra ot o ye at this r n o 0 • the att,liti-, Cl. ish Protert 3° , , or amongst th el that th e y ff ' e ra .hey have '„ u a e and I Per''' hs ire rho would so t r Hon bad , hem temp tr tll , re y of thew a nd 03 sir duties , 3 doe v their lega l tb at _ e l' uhi eet ' ng turf, remain) , House, an; r d to Noble ri d e s relacy sh °ll ( . 1,0 0 he House ° at• t rieha v 't remain u o f ietween te mpla`,,il A CO n times, if be Act Act of V t 0",,„ O P va ies the o ' h l e a ( Lion four, h e art' As to the t bitis ▪ 1 do no rape r t all in a bat , o I think d to Bishop' , lat"ot e in the paY A - ,, e , r, as I ute; f • six years did g ti but tsc° °r i d er lthorp o ' l i r e ird t di ng to , s the a to know , rat to secul ar Klan his r ee n or st perfect ari t he ' grief, an d o t . t w maturely' • Di e‘ which I ° ny opposi" Goo, say i s , tha t , 0 0° a e fits it be a' d'i 3° o o l . , d may it c e ite Cath` w he - n o acre may -ther I nd that 3 0 ° t r r. it to diffe r Y ' wou ld sure't,' it as 0 0 e Ira tri ll e ig air l:.t_lion. Baronet put on it No, I cannot think the D e er e i" bad because the Right Hon. Member for ouel j , 'n an d his political friends support it. To think that I a, nand to be the consequence of their support is what nice no t make up my mind to. It is too uncharitable to tri'ot'ilves3evere snd uncompromising with respect to men's N u is ' I admit the truth of the Right Hon. Baronet's which When he states that this question is one upon . „i o 'Ll the Rouse cannot suddenly and easily from an opt- Nei, " ; thtl ugh it has been so clearly announced by the thouelllover of it. Yet, as the Right Hon. Baronet has letig u g e ti s t ,fit cffer some comments on my Noble Col tem I feel it a sort of duty to advert to one or tha t th P e s , noon w hi c h we are at variance. The first is, e r Bight Hon. B aronet conten d s t h at t h e on l y pro tlis iva Y to introduce the Bill, is through a Committee of Pre et V'° lo Rowse. He is, no doubt, arguing upon i t. tk " s n e ; 'et us see how he will he borne out by mentor "Ys if I In not commit a very great error of 11 011, Y ' a nd if I am not misinformed, the . Right dared urable Baronet himself has more than once intro te,,u Bills nearly similar to the present, without having N o rt e to a Committee of the whole House for their in - de eti ".ko. If I err not, the Right arm Beronet . intro- Cur to in 182 6, the Vestry Bill, and the Pluralities and olie n 4 h i a i alls, without thinking it necessary that they . tt tif, oe introduced by going through a Committee of tot a iii ; s e• I do not think the precedent of the Test an t list es 4 ',P, at i°o Acts cases in point, and for this . reason, li k „ —`oeY related to men's consciences, and involved re -o,oLo'hit Persuisions and principles, it was very proper they th, Iv td h to on th e i r i ntroduct i on through a Committee of Ihat h House. Th e Ri g h t H on . B arone t h as said „ not object to some species of appropriation ., of ePr'Perty of the Church ; he even goes further ee . ieia 14,14eedes the point, that a different distribution of it is Jape n eces.arv.With respect to the Vestry Cess in Ire le 4) 4. i " Right Hon. Baronet thinks that its collection may to i te d• No doubt, and the great majority . of persons tine shed are convinced that an alteration is required, blister' levying of the Cess, as it now stands, is a galling • he ti r • It should not be a burden, and the tenant a.bso os reqUires to be relieved of it by some other substitute liarsno• My pinions on this head have not been adopted ; to prove that they have not, I beg to be of th e to read to the House a few lines from the report . tit e h e"rornittee of Tithes last year, of which Commit-ctts f ."ad the honour of forming a part :—" The levy o p, but re!, of slight amount, yet it is found peculiarly op klee,o-te to both Catholics and Protestants, and all its °di u4i ta ges are more than counterbalanced by the tv ith whi c h it i s att en d e d." Th a t p ar t of ofl;:diile Friend' s measure , w hi c h re l ates to the a levying sl t h : 555 , pro cee d s upon a l eg i t i mate principle, kt able to prove at a future opportunity. The Right I li:1 1 1;, 41 e Baronet wishes that the residence of the clergy Pct lie provided for, so that they may live in every re- gentlemen. I adhere to the Right Honourable C e ts opi n i on upon th i s po i nt, and assure him that trl,'l of of th e c hi e f o bj ects o f t h e propose d measure. I B eth n ' w to the consideration of the property of the 5,f and whether I am right or not as to the nu . m , ber 4 14, n Pries that it is proposed to abolish or consolu.ate, pr us e that the principle adopted is the very best. As a 11 t ' that such is the case, many of the highest Church t itt's 4itar ies consent to the adoption of this principle. In.. milts all occasions, I have found that the only l ififfi h lOSCPlaced in the way of a better appropriation of Caere b Y the Bishops, proceeded horn a desire not to stlestoise the i n t eres t s o f th e ir s uccessors . Th e y h ave btre iribl y said, " T a x us, if you will, if it be advan -414' t o the country that we should bear the burden, not those whose property we hold in trust suffer . I think, when I shall be caller, upon, that I shall he,' , to show that the number of bishoprice that are to too e du red at the decease of the present holders of Sees is not ste elits and that the dioceses to which they shall become s. alts ' %''' will not be too large, nor the number of clergy so. to great for their respective Bishops to attend t 'th ' ith respect to Bishops' leases, I shall again state t art House, the principle upon which the proposed mee t t i N t ill ts• In the first place, that principle applies itself '4O t he B . h d inferrer clergy, and a just and e” 'to le o ' san • d d to all. The change t 'o4rh Mutation is to be exten e rr Prek'Plateed in the appropriation of the higher Church • Ne,,, t Y is to be carried into the lower The tenure of P t io s r,' leales will be regulated by the measure, on a e' • los, l l ' l e that will promote the security of their interests, 6 ''o4, 4 ' those of their tenants. It will prevent l them ft ' 4 4,: ti ngs as hitherto, fearful of renewing the o i: ot e s a w se i s il 04 ' l 4O the other hand, the expenditure of t t o e t tlt: i checked, since they will not have fear the 4 C har t of the ishops. When it is considered that the has an interest in not above 100,000/. a year, in e t n umbers, and that the permanent interest of tenants f its (~* to five times that sum, it is too bad to think that k ths". 4l.c la alone will be the sufferer. If the measure t i o s leial to the former, it will be so on a larger sea e t, o _ott er. tp Perpetuating the tenures, you g Co ive a new value de a l prop P erty, and the Stare will have a right it thinks i the increased value, ~W e ver, a flingpropri it to secular purposes. th ,,:li 6 s ' d t he great P merits of the present . measure is, ,iite t °es not involve the abstract question, and drag -° Pledge themselves to , hat they are opposed to. It I s h e b s Z t ha Pnily involve an abstract right, but it involved ve .t „it ' ,,,: t l :_of the tenant upon land belonging to the Church. 1 11 " the security of the Protestant Church, es it of the property of that Church . to be applied to tacti c the purposes. The measure having steeed clear . 411,141 the o „ 4 ,, "ra ct question, it enables Government to unite s•uV an cages of liberal concession to every party, and 1 , 44 1 1 1, 41 that the effects of the measure will be— ;tit, "ave every reason to think that they will be—to 'ittt t;l'e P rotestants and Catholics of Ireland, thereby l' i ti i itZ n g the prosperity of that country, and establishing 4441acient foisting the stibility of the whole empire. - , 1 11 , °11 ' to eeer, Claim again, and in a more earnest way, of the House, since I am about to offer a tart Bence of which relate to myself personally. I over and over again accused of being an enemy God k e a n d those who are best acquaint.d d esigns k n n o o ‘ e v v - , , whether I deserve to be liable to tap acc usation.—(Hear, hear, from Mr. O'Connell.) ~I ), ieet , :i tit h the greatest truth say, that one of the great Zeis,„,.. o of r t n . Y r political life is the I t } happinese—he real hap ltiette,te eland. Years ago, long before und myself sad in the vortex of politics, the prosperity of Ire "oa dear th,, to tee. Being connected in some measure . 4 ' " c ountry, I then saw that the evils of absenteeism ‘ t 4 tov ' , o greatest scourge. I not only felt it, but ,Zls4y ' r ed to make others feel it, by setting them a prac- I TPle s and fixing my residence on my property in 411;'',tring the summer, previous to my acceptance of 5 berroatn`the people of that country to which I am tf os „ . enecay, I have received . every imaginable of kindness, and I should consider myself as the o i g f r ateful Of mankind if I ever permitted the o s , that kindness to be eradicated from my memory. Intl, ton office, I would ask whether I did so because I t il h 'te lt 'r,-(fferent towards Ireland, or whether it was not e t i t e e i ",!. °la ah!e that I was prompted by a desire to serve Pti s 'intry ? , 4 , That the latter was the cause of my ac ls,4' a g e :"ee I am myself sure, for I considered it as a do. when I thought that my services might be b e ',,P,ot er i "- ' to Ireland. I may have disappointed many, and 4 1 71i e - t n 'Yself to . the of others, but I now take this ,tite. s l) Portunity of solemnly declaring that I do not p n , o t 4 , 1: 0 - 1 t he shadow of one unkind feeling towards any 0 4 per 4 'l in the discharge of his public duty, thought y e t ~tde e r°ss me in my path.—(Cheers.) Both by the other have I been repeatedly assailed, 4„N‘i„„ . ! a prid e in being able to maintain that I have t o myself to either party. I considered I . had a ot; tv eC t ` f °rtis, and I undertook the discharge of it. Il It o 'N, ; l ed to effect what I meant to do myself, and what Wi l ats th doubt, expected from me, I can assure . .the l sti h ot 4'l t hat failure, however painful and discouraging, fai. oi,l4) ‘ , ln i'h my ardent ' z al to promote the welfare of 1°1 41, 1 5,,"'s notwithstanding the extent of such a tielj t : i t hei .°4 iise to devote my best energies and exertions c t aotZ l d of Ireland. Feeling that this measure will Poi-C-1, - "° 1 15 to that country—( Hear, from Mr.O'Cone t coi ss 1 ' , 41 „ determined to give it my melt, cordial sup 'hit 'ace s "Pliort it, merever for I feel convinced of the te,'fo, 64 ° e f the principles upon which it rests ; and I say 454 i, of Env veracity being retied upon,eince no . one t i ° „th s li h ' i _h I d t i , t ` h e measure I ever supported . the principles th oot fully a rove. It remains now for me jail'titi:4lftitst7°,tueseomost g P ratefully for the . tair opportunity my feelings, and for al -044Z t en to t4': e ,"Pose, in expressing discussing . measure ... irnpor -110)y4,,;,4,tinr4 to the public, things so insignificant and ". to that public as the waters that relate Hun. Gentleman, on resuming s i„ tOt ;.AW “hy cheero.) f q 'oto Pid, that though he would refrain for the - e ' Iseuesing the Noble Lord's measure in br o . N 4 ° old A tli tt, riot avoid making an observation or two. t ashy h er it"r his sot protest against the doctrine h." o ent Z'er t e -t Lord with to the improve t;74tAitt';ll'tted i o t f vi ?les Church If that doctrine t it f th e L • " I d be nothing more or less than i:itseteat'erttr eeislature to take back with one hand stirp tik lo s h ed with the other There was one more Pree sm e e ' ll the t ';:tould ,„ ake—nainely, th it it created hie aThend of fe of s 0 m a measur e of the Noble Lord's should take ch ft d , iet t o h triaoY measures promised to the country, sod of l ers of the country stood in more immediate need. 41 ' PareL e Hon. end Learned Member for Dublin, 'as explained the motives of Illinisters o bringing forward this measure first. The real truth was, that Ministers were making a vain attempt to appease the violators of the law i❑ Ireland, by conceding . at the .outset, one of their favourite demands. The measure then under discussion was brought forward in wrong order, for the above-mentioned motive ; and it would hereafter be seen whether the violators of the law would be repressed more effectually by concession, than by enforcing the authority of theiaw. Mr. KEANE said, that the plan proposed by his Ma jesty's Ministers was one which would leave a door open for future improvement. After some further remarks, which were inaudible in the gallery, the Hon. Member s3id, th.it England was great in the arts, and in teats of arms, but gray in State affairs.—(A laugh.) An HON. MEMBER, whose name we could not learn, said, that the proposition made by the Government was conceived in a conciliatory s t iirit both towards Catholics and Protestants, and he had no doubt that it would be re ceived in Ireland with the same feelings as dictated it. Mr. HUTH VEN then said, that he did not mean to .trouble the House by pressing his amendment to a di vision. He would not withdraw the amendment, but he merely wished to have it recorded on the Journals of the House. The amendment was then put and negatived, and the motion agreed to. Mr. RIGBY WASON obtained leave to bring in a Bill to remove the Suffolk Summer Assizes from Bury St. Edmunds to Ipswich. Mr. DIVETT moved for a return of the names of the Members hearing office in each municipal corporation i❑ England and Wales, and the mode and date of their elections to their first and every subsequent office. Also, a copy of the charter, charters, or parts of the same, by virtue of which municipal corporations now claim to hold their respective offices. Lord ALTHORP said, that he had no objection to the first part of the motion of the' Hon. Member. With re gard to the second part, however, he considered it ob jectionable; in the first place, because it was exceedingly expensive and troublesome ; and in the second place, because he thought it contrary to usage and principle to produce the Chatters of Corporations except in Courts of Justice. Mr. DIVETT would be glad to shape his motion in any way that would be most convenient and most easily to be obtained. Mr. FINN moved for a return of the constabulary po lice of Ireland (luring each of the last three years ; con taining the number and distribution thereof in each county, together with the pay, amount of the expense of clothing, barrack and commissariat allowances; and distinguishing the amount paid by Grand Jury assessment from that paid by the public ; account, in detail, of all expenses in curred on account of the Inspectors General of Police in Ireland resiiient Magistrates under the Constabulary Ac! during each of the three last years; distinguishing the sources from which such payments have been made ; also, a return of the number of Roman Catholics of each rank in each county. Sir JAMES SCARLETT was of opinion, that it would be several years before the returns moved for by the Hon. Member could be obtained; and that the advantage of having them would not be commensurate with the expense. Mr. DIVETT then consented to withdraw his motion. Mr SHAW thought that the motion made by the Hon. Member for Kilkenny would lead to a very invidious inquiry; which, in the present excited state of the country, should by all means be avoided. Mr. O'CONNELL said that it had been distinctly de. nied by his Majesty's Government, that there was a pirty spirit in the choice of the constabulary police of Ireland. It was desirable that the quest:sn should be set at rest. The object to be gained by this motion was to set it at rest. If it were not true that there was a party spirit. then the question was ended ; but if true, or if partly true, then it way right that it should be corrected. In every case he thought it desirable that they should have the returns. Lord ALTHORP had no objection to the return being made.—Agreed to. Mr. HUME said, he had now a motion to make, which he thought the House would not object to. It was for a return of the number of electors enrolled in the registers of each county, city, and borough in the United Kingdom under the Reform Bill, and distinguishing freemen and scot•and-lot voters ; and also, the number of voters which polled at the different elections ; also, a copy of the ac count for legal expenses charged by every Returning-officer to the candidates or their proposers for the hustings at the late elections. His reason for moving for this return wa., because he found that there was a great difference between the legal charges made by the Returning-officers in rent places—being in some places very rea , on,hle, and in other places very high. He thought it right that they should know what the Returning-officer should properly charge, and he knew of no other way of obtaining the in formatio❑ but by obtaining the return for which he moved. He next moved for a return of the number of barristers employed at the late elections, their names, the num ber of days they were employed, and the sum paid to each of them for their services. The Hon. Member then moved for a copy of the accounts charged by the Returning officers to the candidate or candidates for the expense of making booths and polling-places, and the number of booths and polling-places in each place. Colonel DAVIES said, that R. turning•ofyicers were in the habit of charging candidates for returning the writ, which was contrary to the Acts 7th and Bth William 111., chap. 29. The charge was clearly illegal. After a few words from Mr. Humr,which were inaudible, Mr. O'CONNELL said, that he thought the different qualifications of the electors should be stated, distin-' guishing the fifty pound, the twenty pound, and ten pound . voters. Lord ALTHORP thought, that if the Hon. Member for Dublin wished for these returns, he should make them the subject of a special motion. The returns moved for by Mr. HUME were then agreed to. • Mr. GOULBURN moved for a return of the bene fices in Ireland in which service has been performed within the last three years. Lord ALTHORP said he had given notice of a motion for some alterations in the old, and also in the new, Cor porations, on Thursday next. He meant now to postpone his motion, on account of some information he had re ceived, which induced him to alter the terms of his motion. He hoped the Hon. Member for Middlesex would agree to postpone his motion on the subject of Corporations, of which he had given notice, to a future day. Mr. HUME had no objection to postpone his motion. Mr. O'CONNELL slid that the plan proposed to be adopted in regard to English Corporations, would be equally fitting for Ireland. He did not see why the same measure should not he adopted towards them. Lord ALTHORP had no objection to refer the case of the Corporations of both countries to the slate Committee. Sir ROBERT PEEL doubted the policy of referring them to one Committee. Mr. O'CONNELL was decidedly of opinion that one Committee was preferable. The same principle applied to both countries, and by referring the subject to one Com mittee, they were more likely to arrive at sound principles. Mr. JARVIS begged to ask the Noble Lord if he meant to include Corporate Local Courts in the Inquiry to he made by the Committee? Lord ALTHORP'S answer was inaudible. Mr. ATTWOOD moved for a retur❑ of the sums paid i❑ and drawn out by the Trustees of the Saving Banks in the United Kingdom during the year 1832. The House adjourned at eleven o'clock. THE NEW NOVEL, BY THE AUTHOR OF t' CALEB WILLIAMs."—" Deloraine," the new work of this celebrated wri er, will be delivered to the public in a few days. Of this author it has been said, that he has founded a school of novel-writing which rinks among its adherents many persons of distinguished talent; but none has attained that vast power which, in the hands of Goo- WIN, shook the public mind with emotions, and enga2ed it by sympathies that, till his fictions appeared, had scarcely ever been called into action, though their existence was deep in the human heart. ANECDOTE OF THE PRESENT KING OF PRUSSIA.—Every one who is acquainted with history, is aware of the refusal of the miller at Potsdam to sell Lis mill to FREDERICK the Great, who was anxious to ob tain the land on which it stood, and of the respect paid by that Sovereign to the rights of property. The mill has stood from that illy to the present ; but the possesKor (FRANK SANS Souci), having been ruined by the wars, resolved to sell for ',lead what his ancestor had refused to yield to the gratification of the Monarch. He write, therefore, to the present KING, stating that he was driven by misfortune to dispose of his property, and that if, like FREDERICK the Great, his Majesty was desirous of im proving the appearance of his grounds, by the demolition of the mill, he had now an opportunity of purchasing it :it a moderate price. The KING is stated to have s,nt the following reply in his own hand :—" My dear Neighbour, I cannot permit you to sell your mill. It shall be the property of your family as long as a single member of it survives, for it belongs to the history of Prussia. I ail), however, concerned to hear, that you are in straightened circumstances, and therefore send you 6,000 dollars, to remove your embarrassments. I hope this sum will be sufficient..--;Regard me ever as your affectionate neighbour, FREDERICK WILLIAM." ._~ .~ SIR JAMES GRAHAM AND SIR HARRY NEALE. COPIES OF AN ADDRESS PRESENTED TO SIR HARRY NEALE, BART., BY HIS SUPPORTERS IN THE BO ROUGH OF LYMINGTON, - A ND OF SIR HARRY'S ANSWER THERETO, WITH EXTRACTS FROM THE CORRESPON DENCE REFERRED TO IN THE LATTER. (Copy of the Address.) TO ADMIRAL SIR HARRY NEALE, BART., &C., Sir,—We, the undersigned electors of the borough of Lytuington, beg to offer you our expressions of high gratification at your independent and honourable cc:, duct, in preferring the retention of your seat in Parlia ment for this borough to the naval command at Ports mouth, when so unprecedented an alternative was required by the First Lord of the Admiralty ; and we cannot re frain from expressing our astonishment that such a condition should have been required, knowing that the command was first offered to you without such restriction, and that appointments, both in the army and the navy, are held by other Members of the present Parliament. Trusting that it may be very long ere the ties which now so happily connect us shall be dissolved, We have the honour to he, Sir, your sincere and faithful FRIENDS AND CONSTITUENTS. Town-hall, Lymington, Jan. 31. (Copy of Sir Harry's Answer.) TO THE ELECTORS WHO SUPPORTED SIR HARRY NEALE AT THE LAST GENERAL ELECTION. Gentlemen,—l have received with great gratification the address with which you have honoured me, conveying, in terms highly flattering, your sentiments upon the occa sion of my having refused to accept the command at Portsmouth. I herewith transmit copies of two letters from Sir James Graham, with an extract from my reply which will enable you to form a just estimation of the whole proceeding. I forcibly feel that I should not have merited your con fidence or esteem had I been capable of acceding to such a humiliating condition as the letter. of the 11th of January conveyed. Had I acted otherwise than I have done, I should not only have injured my professional reputation, but I should have evinced, what is foreign to every feeling I possess, a marked disregard of the obligation I owe to you as my constituents, through whose support and through whose exertions I have bee❑ returned to Parliament. I can never cease to feel, that from the first moment of Sir James Graham's offer and my acceptance of the command at Portsmouth in August, 1882, whatever measures he had in contemplation of the description he has now at the very latest moment disclosed, ought not in candour and fair treatment, to have been withheld from my knowledge. With a❑ affectation of giving me a free choice of a command which he had previously and un conditionally promised, lie has only afforded me the op portunity of an unavoidable refusal, except with loss of reputation. Had Sir James Graham, in common justice, postponed the operation of his new regulation until the command became vacant again, he would not have placed Portsmouth in a worse condition than other stations or commands are in at this moment in England and Ireland, where officers of the army and navy are dis charging their respective dirties, and at the same time re taining their seats in Parliament. Sir James Graham has fully expressed to me that he " should scorn to make the employment of naval 'officers in the least dependent o❑ their political attachments or conduct." Sir James Graham considers that " a seat in Parlia ment is incompatible with a command at Portsmouth," and he arrives at that conclusion from " a decided opi nion that the adequate discharge of the double duty is itn po.sible." To this, in the first instance, I reply, that Sir James Graham has no right to assume any guardianship over the House of Commons: and that no First Lord of the Admiralty has ever before taken that office upon himself. If my constituents are satisfied with rae, I feel that Sir James Graham has no right to take into consideration my non-attendance in the House of Commons. There can be no question but that Sir James Graham, in virtue of his situation, should superintend and control the duties of a Commander-in-Chief ; and he must per fectly well know, that should a Commander, or any officer, in the exercise of his Parliamentary privilege, resolve, without the concurrence of the Board of Admiralty, to attend his duty in the House of Commons to the detriment of the public service, the Board has a justifiable remedy in the anointment of another officer. And in the event of a call of the House, there is no instance, I believe, of leave of absence having been refused by the House to an officer in employ w. , en his attendance has been repreqin'ed by his Mijesty's Ministers to be detrimental to the naval service or to any other public service. The question, there o-e, of incompatibility is not tenable upon any plea of nt c.ssity, however convenient its adoption might have pros , : d in my case. As a contrary opinion, however, is maintained and acted upon by Sir James Graham, I should like to under stand upon what diversity of opinion and principle it is that a Member of Parliament may hold an important civil situation in Scotland or Ireland, when is is equally cer tain that " the adequate discharge of the double duty is impossible ?" Is it not plain, that a seat in Parliament is equally incompatible will a civil office in Ireland as it is with a command at Portsmouth ? This regulation, if founded on principle, must affect those officers in com mand in Ireland who are Members of Parliament; in short, it must affect every individual holding any civil situation or command within the jurisdiction of the House of Commons, who are Members of Parliament, and are at such a distance from the metropolis as to be unable to at tend to the double duty—i. e., whet, being subject to the authority of a call of the House, are in consequence brought within the sphere of incompatibility. This new regulation having been brought to bear upon me by a retrograde movement from the 11th of January, 1833, to the 24th of August, 1332, will now perhaps die a natural death. I shall then be very well satisfied, and only wish it a speedy exit. 1 have deemed it expedient, in justification of myself, as your representative in Parliament, to put you in posses sion of my sentiments, and of the ground upon which I have been deprived of the command at Portsmouth. With every feeling of gratitude for the kind and friendly manner with which you have received me, I have the honour to be, &c., Walhampton, Feb. 2. COPIES OF TWO LETTERS FROM SIR JAMES GRAHAM TO SIR HARRY NEALE. Portsmouth, Aug. 24, 1832. Sir,—The command of this port will be vacant in the spring of next year, and since it will be necessary to take his Majesty's pleasure, and make some arrangements ie specting the appointment, it becomes my duty to select the officer whom I consider most eligible for this impor tant command. Looking at the list of Admirals who have not yet hoisted their flag at one of the out-ports since the peace, I could not fail to observe your name ; and when I re member your distinguished services, and your high cha racter in the profession, I am persuaded, that if the Ports-- mouth command would be acceptable to you, I could not better serve his Majesty than by recommending you for this appointment. Before I submit your name to the King, I wish to know whether it would be agreeable to you to take this com mand ; and in fairness I must add, that I cannot bind my successor, and that the appointment will be contingent on my remaining still at the Board of Admiralty when the vacancy occurs in March. It is also right that I shcuid inform you of an intention of removing the residence of the Admiral from the house in the High-street to the house in the Dockyard lately occupied by the Commis sioner. I gladly embrace this opportunity of evincing my re spect, and I have the honPur to be, Sir, your very faithful servant, J. R. GRAHAM. Admiral Sir Harry B. Neale, Bart., &c. Admiralty, Jan. 11. Sir,...—The death of Sir Thomas Foley vacates the com mand at Portsmouth, and, in pursuance of my promise, I hasten to repett my offer of the appointment to you. I must, however, exprees to you the most decided opi nion that a seat in Parliament and the command at Ports. mouth are incompotilile ; the adequate discharge of 0 , double duty is impossible, and I should not be justified in giving you the appointment, which I offer, d when you were not in Parliament, except on the assurance that, having hoisted your Rig, you would vacate your seat itn inediately after the meeting of Parliament. You will excuse the frankness of this explanation ; but it is necessary to come to a right understanding on this point. I have the honour to be, with gloat respect, J. R. G. GRAHAM. Admiral Sir Harry Neale, Bart., N• } l. Though the two preceding letters were originally marked "private," Sir Harry Neale was afterwards per mitted to use thern in his explanation to his friends. EXTRACT FROM SIR HARRY NEALE'S LETTER, DATED JAN. 15, IN REPLY TO SIR JAMES GRAHAM'S LETTER OF THE 1 OF JAN. (RECEIVED ON THE 14TH OF THE SAME MONTH.) Brighton, Jan. 15. I have no honourable alternative left but unbeai tatingly to say that I would rather sacrifice the commis sion I hold in his Majesty's navy than thus compromise my own profes.ional character, and with it, in the present instance, the honour and respectability of the service I venerate and would gladly support. FROM LAST NIGHT'S GAZETTE. At the Court at St. James's, the 4th day of February, 1833, pre. sent the Ring's Most Excellent Majesty in Council. This day the Right Hon. 'Basil Percy Fielding Earl of Den. bigh, and George Fitzclarence, Earl of Munster, w ere, by hi s Majesty's command, sworn of his Majesty's Most Honourable Privy-Council, and took their seats at the Board accordingly. C. C. GREVILLE. THE PAVILION, BRIGHTON, JAN. 22, 1833. The King was this day pleased to confer the honour of Knight hood upon Rear-Admiral Edward Durnford King, Military Knight Commander of the Royal Hanoverian Guelphic Order. WAR-OFFICE, FEB. 12. ME MO R A INIDUM. The half-pay of the under-mentioned Officers has been can celled from the 12th inst., inclusive, they having accepted coin muted allowances for their commissions, viz. : Lieutenant Robert Miller, half-pay 88th Foot ; Ensign Thomas Richard Davis, half-pay 61st Foo' ; Lieutenant Thomas Smith, half-pay Rifle Brigade; Ensign Frederick An gerstein, half-pay 44th Foot; Captain George Trigge Green land, half-pay Unattached; Assistant-Surgeon Robert Bern, half-pay 60th Foot; Lieutenant Fergus James Graham, hall_ pay '2d Dragoon Guards; Lieutenant Edward Lynch Daniell, half-pay 7th %Vest India Regiment; Assistant-Surgeon Sher rington Gilder, half-pay 2d Life Guards ; Quartermaster James Jackson, half-pay 67th Foot ; Ensign William Murray, half-pay 30th Foot ; Lieutenant James Kingsley Gray, half.pay Bth Foot; Captain Percival Lewis, half-pay 29th Foot. Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Middlesex. Royal East Middlesex Regiment of Militia—W. Reed, Gent., and E. J. Dyson, Gent., to be Lieutenants. Commission by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Forfar. Forfar and Kincardine Regiment of Militia—JohnlHay,Gent., to be Lieutenant. BANKRUPTCIES SUPERSEDED. THOMAS SAN DYS, bookseller, Bell.court, Brook's-market ROBERT REYNOLDS, cabinet-maker, Manchester. HENRY PEARCE, victualler, Bishopsgate Within. BANKRUPTS. SAR AH HILLS, schoolmistress, Hammersmith, to surrender Feb. 25, and March 26, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Hornby and Towgood, St. Swithin's-lane. HENRY JOYCE, oilman, Milford-lane, Essex-street, Strand, Feb. 22, and March 26, at ten, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Walker, Austin Friars. WILLIAM BOWDITCH, grocer, Exeter, Feb., at twelve, and March 26, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Chester, Staple Inn, London. JOHN INNES, merchant, St. Mildred's-court, Feb. 22 , at one, and March 26, at twelve, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Freshfield and Son, New Bank-buildings. JOHN , WILSON, victualler, Maiden-lane, Covent-garden, Feb. 19, at half-past twelve, and March 26, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. Beart, Tokenhouse-yard. JOHN JACOMBS and W. JACOMBS, ribbon manufac turers, Feb 19, and March 26, at eleven, at the Castle Inn, Coven try. Battye, Fisher, and Sudlow, Chancery-lane, London; and Craddock, Nuneaton, Worcestershire, THOMAS INMAN BRUNT, tanner, Whittington, Derby shire, Feb. 20, and March 26, at eleven, at the office of J. and R. G. Hutchinson, Chesterfield, Derbyshire. Hutchinson, Ches terfield ; Smithson, Dunn, and Hawdon, New Inn, London. THOMAS GILBERT, coal-dealer, Birmingham, Feb. 25, and March 26, at one, at Dee's Royal Hotel, Birmingham. Norton and Chaplin, Gray's Inn-square, London ilnglehy, Birmingham. WILLIAM HOOPER, farmer, Farmington, Gloucestershire, Feb. 20, and March 26, at eleven, at the King's Head Inn, Ci rencester, Gloucestershire. Merry, Lincoln's Inn-fields, Lon don ; Mullings, Cirencester. WILLIAM ETCHES, auctioneer, Doi\caster, Feb. 22, and March 28, at the Guildhall, Doncaster. SVtt, Lincoln's Inn fields, London ; Dawson, Epworth, Lincolnshire. JOHN SIM, currier, Whitehaven, Cumberland, Feb. 26, and March 26, at three, at the Black Lion Inn, Whitehaven. Stubbs, Staple Inn, London ; Perry, Cross-street, Whitehaven. WILLIAM MORRIS ROWE, grocer, Stamford, Lincoln shire, Feb. 21, and March 21, at eleven, at the office of Thomp son and Sons, Stamford. Thompson and Son, Stamford ; Clowes, Orme, and Wedlake, Temple, London. THOMAS NELSON, paper manufacturer, Stibbington, Huntingdonshire, Feb. 22, and March 26, at eleven, at the White Hart Inn, East Retford, Nottinghamshii e. Mee and Bigsby, East Retford; Hawkins, Bloxam, and Stocker, New Boswell court, Carey street, London. EDWARD M ATTERSON, chymist, Leeds,%Yorkshire, Feb. 25, and March 25, at eleven, at the Court-house, Leeds. Strang wayes and Walker, Barnard's Inn, London ; Robinson, Leeds. CHARLES AUGUSTIN BUSBY, builder, Brighthelmston, Sussex, Feb. 25, and March 26, at twelve, at the Ship Inn, Brighthelmston. Clarke and 'M'Whinnie, Brighton ; Sowton, Great James-street, Bedford-row, London. WILLIAM RATHER, scrivener, Grantham, Lincolnshire, Feb. 26, and March '26, at ten, at the Guildhall, Grantham. Ostler and Son, Grantham ; Maron, New Milman-street, Guild ford-street, London. DIVIDENDS. J. Handford, victualler, Sutton, Surrey, March 5, at one, at the Court of Bankruptcy. A. Anderson, merchant, Philpot-lane, City, March 7, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. J. Bull, brewer, Mitcham, Surrey, March 7, at one, at the Court of Bankruptcy. _ . . J. F. and C. A. Saunders, merchants, Leadenhall-street, March 5, at ten, at the Court of Bankruptcy. C. L. Birch, coach-maker, Great Queen-street, Lincoln's Inn fields, March 13, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. J. P. Anstice and R. Thornhill, ship-brokers, Old South Sea House, March 6, at eleven, at the Court of Bankruptcy. W. Mottram, victualler, St. John's-street, West Smithfield, March 9, at ten, at the Court of Bankruptcy. G. Dawson and J. Kerr, nankeen-manufacturers, Manchester, March 7, at nine, at the Palace Inn, Manchester. J. Marsh, innkeeper, Manchester, March 14, at nine, at the Star Inn, Manchester. M. Englan , butcher, Ilkeston, Derbyshire, March 6, at ten, at the Lion Hotel, Nottingham. _ _ . W. Swainson and T. Mustell, warehousemen, London, April 17, at nine, at the Palace Inn, Manchester. B. D. Benjamin, merchant, Manchester, March 14, at two, at the Palace Inn, Manchester. W. Cannings, upholsterer, Bath, March 11, at eleven, at the White Lion Inn, Bath. W. Dinglev, victualler, Birmingham, March 6, at twelve, at Radenhurst's Royal Hotel, Birmingham. M. Dove, grocer, Maidstone, Kent, March 6, at ten, at the Court of Bankruptcy. CERTIFICATES.—Matten 5. D. Boulter, tobacconist, Quadrant, Regent-street. J. Colquhoun, coppersmith, Sheffield, Yorkshire. .1. Mansfield, mercer, Billingborough, LincAnshire. T. Gooch, linen-draper, Crawford-street, Marylebone. F. Armson, builder, Meicon - the-place, Dorset-square. W. Armstrong, timber-merchant, Newcastle-upon-Tyne. J. Ankrett, grocer, Walsall, Staffordshire. J. T. Rose, grocer, SVitney, Oxfordshire. D. Currie, army accoutrement.maker, Regent-street. T. Fuller, sen., T. Fuller, jun., and W. Fuller, curriers, Lewes Sussex. PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED. M. Wilton and J. Punshon, mercers, Doncaster, Yorkshire. T. Morley and W. Richardson, smiths, Brighton, Sussex. A. Moore and J. Reid, silk-weavers, Milk-street. E. Bannister and W. Holgate, worsted-manufacturers, Dent, Yorkshire. J. H. Holthouse and H. Mollenhauer, sugar-refiners, Lancaster. T. Hardcastle and B. Jones, printers, Sheffield. J. Smith and A. Clowes, cotton-shirting-manufacturers, Man chester. M. Carson and F. F. Vouillon, silk-mercers, Princes -street, Hanover-square. S. Hemsley and W. Pick, mercers, Nottingham. T. Forsyth and Co., ship-builders, South Shields. It. and R, Bruce, jun., merchants, Bristol. J. and B. Wanklin, lime-burners, Cheltenham. MARKET INTELLIGENCE. LONDON MARKETS. (From the " London New Price Current" of Yesterday.) SUGAR.--The briskness we mentioned in the Sugar Mar ket on Friday was not maintained, but there was a steady trade, and the prices were fully supported ; the estimated pur chases were 3,000 hhds. and trs. The Market this forenoon is without briskness ; the purchases do not exceed 600 hhds. and trs. ; the prices unvaried. The Stock of West India Sugar is now 19,393 hhds. and trs., which is 1,699 less than last year. The stock of Mauritius is 61,493 bags, being 17,328 more than last year. The delivery of West India Sugar is 2,337 hhds. and trs., being 554 less than last year. The delivery of Mauri_ tius 7,916 bags, being 2,118 more than the corresponding week of 1832. In the Refined Market last week there were more inquiries and a better appearance of busimss, particularly in crashed Sugars entitled to the double-nrined bounty ; 31s. is now the quotation, with a firm Market ; the Grocers also pur chased fine goods more freely for the home consumption of the country; Lumps 625., and the stocks very much reduced. The Refined market this forenoon is a shade higher in price, and ♦ery firm. EAST INDIA SUGARS.—The only purchases of East India Sugars last week were some Siams at Market rates. MAURITIUS SUGAR.—By public sale on Friday last, 4,560 bags Mauritius Sugars sold with briskness at full Market prices, 50s. 6d. a 575. This day by public sale 8,274 bags Mau ritius Sugar sold rather heavy, at former prices ; brown, 50s. a 515.; yellow, 525. a 575. FOREIGN SUGARS.—There were no sales of Foreign Su gars last week. Average price of Sugar, ii. Ss. fi N,d. per cwt. COFFEE. —There has been a general and extensive demand for Jamaica Coffee, suitable for the home consumption of the country; the prices again advanced 3s. a 4s. per cwt. ; good ord. which had been selling two weeks ago about 735., realised SOs., the advance it is particularly to be noticed is in clean descrip. tions and in good quality; the Dominica and other British Plantation have also advanced, but not in proportion with the Jamaica descriptions. Ceylon Coffee was Is. higher, sales being reported at 545. a 555. In other descriptions of East India and in Foreign there was no improvement. A cargo of St. Domingo has been sold by private contract at 555. There have been no public or private sales of Coffee this flay. RUAI, BRANDY, AND HOLLANDS.—There is little variation in the prices of Rum ; the sales of Jamaica Rum suitable for home consumption have been very considerable. Brandy is firm. Geneva without alteration. TALLOWY.—fallow is a shade lower; the market hat been heavy. COTTON.--The Cotton market is steady. The late pur chases are limited, and the prices without variation. C OCOA.—There are some few sales of good British Planta tion, 625. a 655. ; the Foreign continues neglected. FRUIT.— There is little alteration to notice in Fruit. Cur rants in some instances Is. lower. Old Red Smyrna Raisins, 345. a 355, IN DIGO.—There is no animation in the demand for Indigo; the market continues dull. OILS. —Oils generally are steady in prices, with rather less doing than in the previous week. Linseed, owing to the fall on Cakes and a few small lots remaining, is 2s. a 3s. per quarter lower. TOBACCO.—There is no alteration to notice in Tobacco. EAST INDIA HOUSE SALE (THIS DAY).-724 tons E. I. Refined Saltpetre, 1 to 4 per cent, refraction, 50s. 6d. a 31s. per cwt. ; 1,000 bags sifted Pepper, brown good mid, heavy 3*?^Sd. a 3 3 4d. per lb. ; 1,000 bags Nitrate of Soda 275., bought in ; only 9.15. 6d. offered. TEA.—There ismore demand for Boheas, and buyers have appeared in the market at our last quoted discount. Congous continued steady at sale's prices as well as Twankays. SPIRIT OF THE PUBLIC .TOURNALg. The scheme of Church reform for Ireland was proposed last night by Lord Althmp in the House of Commons, and was received, as indeed on the whole it deserved to he, with much appearance of cordial satisfaction by the most enlightened and leading individuals of the liberal party. This plan of the King's Government has a double value. It is good for its practical correction of abuses. It is good for its recognition of wholesome principles. It reasons accurately, as well as legislates discreetly. Mr. O'Connell did himself credit with the House by the candid manner in which he declared his de cided approbation of the grounds and objects of the measure so far as it proceeded—and it has proceeded no inconsiderable way—towards placing the question both of Church and of other corporate property on a right footing. The heads of the measure being given below, we shall merely say that the oppressive ad libitum taxation of Catholic inhabitants for Pro testant purposes under the title of " vestry cess " is abolished ;—that ten Bishops out of twenty-two are to be cut off;—that all bishoprics and all benefices above 2001. per annum are to be taxed for the creation of a fund, applicable to the ssme uses with the now extinguished vestry assessment ; that the nett income of the Episcopa', Bench is to be reduced from 130,0001, per annum to 70,000/. ; that all sinecure dignities are to be abolished ; that the tenants of Bishops' lands are to have the right of buying a perpetuity in their leases, at a fixed and moderate rate of purchase; and finally, that the proceeds of these purchases, amounting (if the whole be effected) to 2,500,000/. or 3,000,0001, are to be applicable to purposes not connected wil h the Church, if so ordained by Parliament ; the Bishops being first provided for out of them. Poor -rates, payment of Catholic clergy, and mode of tithe commutation, will form part of separate bills,—an arrangement more commodious than that of mixing all up together. Mr. O'Connell renounced, in the most earnest and solemn manner, all idea that any class or body of men in Ireland aimed at appropriating the spoils of the Established Church, or at changing places with it. This has always been the language of the more respectable Catholic laity, and we hope the Learned Gentleman has spoken the sentiments of the priest hood with his own. It will be seen that the Con servatives in the House of Commons—Sirs R. Peel and R. Inglis and Mr. Goulburn—condemned as became them the whole project of Church Reform. Their sanction, under the peculiar circumstances of their position as party-men, would rather encumber than assist the beneficial operation of the measure. The following is a correct summary of the leading points of the proposed Bill : I. Church cess to be immediately and allogether abolished. This is a direct pecuniary relief to the amount of about 80,0001. per annum. 2. A reduction of the number of Archbishops and Bishops prospectively, from 4 Archbishops and 18 Bishops to 2 Arch bishops and 10 Bishops, and the appropriation of the revenues of the suppressed Sees to the general Church Fund. Archbishoprics to be reduced to Bishoprics :—Cashel and Tuam. Bishoprics (10) to be abolished, and the duties to be trans ferred to other Sees —Dmmore to Down ; Raphoe to Derry ; Clogher to Armagh ; Elphin to Kilmore ; Killala to Tuain ; Clonfert to Killaloe ; Cork to Cloyne ; Waterford to Cashel ; Ossory to Ferns; Kildare to Dublin. 3. A general tax on all bishoprics, from 5 to 15 per cent., to be imposed immediately. 4. An immediate reduction from the bishopric of Derry, and a prospective reduction from the primacy, in addition to the tax ; the amount to be paid to the general Church fund. N. B. The net incomes of all the Archbishops and Bishops of Ireland amount to 130,0001. The plan will effect a reduc. tion of about 60,0001. 5. An immediate tax on all benefices, from 5 to 15 per cent., in lieu of first-fruits, which are hereafter to cease. Benefices under 200/. to he exempt, and the tax to be graduated ac cording to the value. Total income of parochial clergy under 600,0001. 6. An abolition of all sinecure dignities, and appropriation of their revenues to general fund. 7. Commissioners to be appointed to administer the fund, and apply it-Ist, to ordinary church cess ; surplus to aug. mentation of poor livings, assistance in building glebe houses, churches, dividing unions, &c. &c. 8. Commissioners to have the power, with the consent of Privy Council; of dividing and altering limits of parishes. 9. Also where no duty has been performed nor Minister le - Sideill for three years before the passing of the Act Com missioners to have power to suspend appointment (if in the gift of Crown or Church), and apply proceeds to general fund. 10. Tenants of Bishops' leases to be empowered to purchase the perpetuity of their leases at a fixed and moderate amount, subject to a corn rent equal to the amount now annually paid in shape of rent and fine. N.B. This is the application to the Bishops' leases of the principal of the Composition Act, so far as it precludes the pos sibility of future increase. 11. The proceeds of these leases to be paid to the state, and applicable to any purposes not connected with the Church. The amount, if all purchase at a low rate, will be from 2,1',00,000/. to 3,000,0001. sterling. The commutation of tithes for land, and the laws of enforcing residence, and prohibiting pluralities, to be the subject of other Bills.—Times. The Ministerial plan of Church Reform for Ireland was brought forward last night by Lord Althorp; and it was received in a way for which, we believe, few of our readers are prepared. M. O'Connell said, " He had been more gratified by it than he could express, and would give his best sup port to a proposition so well founded both in prin ciple and in practice. His Maj. sty's Ministers had acted most wisely, in bringing forward a plan, good in its present operation, and containing principles that might be of the greatest future benefit." Mr. Barron said, " He hoped the measure would be unanimously supported. He was convinced that the Bill would allay bad passion; and keep down the excitement existing in Ireland, and which, ac cording to the letters received to-day, bad been much increased by the nature of the King's speech." Mr. Ruthven, alone, of the Irish advocates of repeal, expressed a doubt whether or not it would have the effect so confidently anticipated by his lion. and Learned Colleague. Irish Members must be supposed best acquainted with the wishes and expectations of the people of Ireland; and it would be presumptuous in us to endeavour to persuade them that they are too easily pleased. We trust that the feeling of the Irish Mem bers will be shared by the people, and that what ever diseases yet remain in the social system of the Sister Island, they will no longer be complicated with the question of the Protestant Church. One class of men will have in a more especial manner cause to be satisfied—the holders of leases of Chula lands. At present, though the holders of these leases may be said to have five-sixths of the pro perty, yet they hold this property by a precariou, tenure, as though in practice the leases are generally renewed on payment of a fine, yet, as they can only be granted for twenty-one years, it sometimes happens that a young Bishop runs his life against a tenant. These tenants are to be allowed to pm chase a perpetuity of possession at their present rents for six years' purchase of it. We take it for granted that few holders of such leases will fail to secure this advantage to themselves. The outline of the Ministerial plan may be shortly thus described —The Church property ought, in the first place, to be applied for the purposes of the Church itself. Tha Church property amounts to — Net Revenue of Bishops £130,000 Dean and Chapter Lands... £'..'3,206 Expenditure 21,400 Balance 2,2.1)6 Benefices 600,000 X7:32,206 Say, however, 800,0001.—The Board of First Fruits to be abolished, and instead of first fruits, di ductions are to be made from ecclesiastical bene fices, according to their value : From benefices of 2001. a year and under, nothing to be taken. 20 1. to 500/. a year, 5 per cent. 500/. to SUOI. a year, 7 per cent. 8004 to 1,200/. a year, 10 per cent. Above 1,2001. a year, 15 per cent. The average supposed to be about 7 per cent. on the annual value of the whole ecclesiastical benefices in Ireland. In estimating the value of benefices, when more than one is held by one person, the rate of deduction is to be determined by the joint amount; as, for instance, two livings of 3001. arid 7001. will be charged as one living of the value of 1,0001. Bshops to be liable to a separate scale of deduction : From bishoprics below 4,0001. a year, 5 per cent. below 6,0104 a year, 7 per cent. below l0,Or:01. a year, 10 per cent. above 10,000/ a year, 15 per cent. The bishopric of Derry, which was received with _ an understanding that it would be reduced at a pe riod of arrangemero, in be 3,01'01., and on deduct ing the per tentage, 7,200/. A Board of Commis sioners, to be composed exclusively of members of the Church of England, to have at their dispossl all the funds derived from the above deduction-. Church rates to be abolished. They amount a present to from 60,000/. to 70,000/. a year. The deductions from benefices, &c., to be applied towards these rates, which they will cover. The Board of Commissioners to have the power of building glebe houses and new churches and augmenting small livings. But to prevent the unnecessary erection of new churches, they shall have no power to apply funds, unless a certain sum shall have been raised by private individuals, or a certain amount of pew rents subscribed for. The revenues of the digni taries of the Church to be reduced on the deaths of the present incumbents. The present Primate has 11,460/., which will be reduced to 10,0001, and after the deductions payalsle to the Commissioners, to 9,0001. Deans and Chapters, where no eccle siastical duties are attached to them, to be abolished .altogether, and generally all * sinecure seats in Cathedrals. The number of Arch bishops and Bishops to be reduced from 22 to. 12. The provinces of Cashel to be added to Dublin, and Tuarn to Armagh. The 10 bishoprics to be reduced are—Dromore, Ferns, Raphoe, Elphin, Clonfert, Killaloe, Kildare, Cork, Waterford (at present vacant) and Ossory. After deducting 70,000/. for the two Archbishops, and 10 Bishops, there will remain 60,000/. for appropriation by the Commissioners for ecclesiastical purposes. The pur chase money payable by tenants of Church lands, to be also disposed of by the Commissioners. Where, on the death of the incumbent of a living, it shall appear that no duty has been discharged for the preceding three years, it shall be in the discre tion of the Commissioners to appoint a successor or not. The Commissioners to appropriate what funds may still remain in their hands, after the payments already mentioned, to the augmention of the smaller livings. The mode of converting tithes, to form the subject of a separate measure. It will thus he seen that all the revenues now in the possession of the Church will still be continued to a sinecure Church. Twelve Archbishops and Bishops, with princely incomes, will still form a tolerable dividend for the aristocracy. The only deduction from the present revenue is the 60,0001. a year, formerly le vied chiefly on Catholics for keeping up churches, now taken from the reduced Sees and Deans and Chapters. Butit is curious that in a country which has always been he'd up byEnglishmen as the most priest ridden in Europe, namely, Spain, no Church rates are levied on the people, while the clergy, who have hard duties to discharge, have only 22 per cent. of the tithes and ether property, 72 per cent. having been appropriated, under various concordats, to the purposes of the state, amounting at present to upwards of four millions sterling, and forming the chief source of the revenue of the state. We shall to-morrow in sert a valuable communication' on the subject from an indefatigable correspondent in Seville, who has had access to the accounts of the Sees of Toledo and Seville, from which Englishmen will see how much the Spanish bishops and priests have been wronged, and how moderate their incomes are compared wilt the incomes even of the sinecure Church of Le land. Mr. O'Connell assigned as one reason for his satisfaction with the measure, that all corporate property might henceforth be brought within its principle. The University of Dublin, for instance, holds large estates, and we believe the Hon. and Learned Member himself is a tenant on a large scale of that corporation. We view it with satis faction on another account—namely, that the princi ple of defraying Church rates out of Church property will, we trust be applied to England as well as Ire land. Mr. O'Connell says, that Church land could at present instantly be detected by the eye, on account of the wretched character of the cultivation and the wretchedness of the inhabitants. If the change leads to a better cultivation, that will no doubt be a beneficial result. The measure was not received with equal favour by the Conservative part of the House. Sr Robert H. Inglis had a short way of seriving at a decision. " Any subject," he said, " ecclesiastical or civil, which met the almost un qualified support of the Hon. Member for Dublin, was sure to receive a decided opposition from him." slr. Goulbern, too, regretted most deeply that the influence of the Church should be diminished; for the first principle of the measure was the il,-- struction of more than one-half of the power of the Church. "On what principle (asked the RSglis Hon. Gentleman) was it that the Noble Lord found that the area of Ireland was insufficient for twenty- , two Bishops, or that that number was only required in England ? There was not a man who would not think that it would be an advantage to divide the area of the bishoprics in England—(Hear, from but h sides)—and so exercise a real, effective, and constant control over the people. In the early ages of the Chureb there had been always a great number of small bishoprics, because it was always found that their duties were always better performed when they had to superintend only a small space, and that was the more necessary when they were surrounded by peo ple of different persuasions." Ah, Mr. Goulburn, but think only of the difference of the cost of Bi shops in the early ages of the Church. They might well be numerous considering that they cost little more than the wages of an Irish peassnt. Tnere was a period when Ireland had somewhere about five hundred Kings ; but it would not be very rea sonable in these days, when Kings have rather costly establishments, to increase the number to the old standard. We will allow you to have as many Bi shops as you please, if you will only satisfy us that they will not devour the substance of the flocks. A single roof holds occasionally a hundred or two of sparrows, but the condor of the Andes requires a large territory for his maw. The kitchen of an English Bishop can only be supplied from large area. Sir Robert Peel, too, said, "he must be per mitted to say that his confidence in the proposed plan had not been increased by the mariner in which it was received by the House. He did freely confess that the universal acclamations with which it was hailed, did by no means induce him to think that it was founded upon such principles as he should be inclined to recognise, or that it was likely to be attended with results from which, he could anticipate advantage to the cause of religion, or the well-being of the State." The first idea that would probably occur to a Frenchman on listen ing to this debate would be, that M. O'Connell was mystifying the High Church party—that he was feigning an extraordinary liking for the plan by which so gorgeous a Church was retained fry, greedy aristocracy, in order to lead the Coneervae Lives into a suspicion that all was not right, and thus to fasten the odium of seise lag the measure on them, and to sow jealousy between the Whigs and the Conservatives. Other persons might be disc posed to believe that the Conservatives were merely affecting disapprobation of the plan, In orch-r that the Catholics of Ireland might receive it gratefellv, But we do not believe that there is any trick in the matter. We conclude with the oht•ervatiors, that if the Protestant Church of Ireland succeed in re taining What it is about to obtain at this time, it will be Me extremely fortunate Church. * —Mornine Chronicle. ,. • The MiniSterial plan for the reform of .the Irish Church, which has been so anxiously expected by the people of both countries, was brought forward last night by th : cChancellor of the Exchequer in the House of Commons. Though the boldness of the reform already cff,cted in the representation might be rea.aldel..as a sort of pledge that there would be no lack of spirit, either as to conception or execution, when the same minds came to legis late on the affairs of the Church, an o pinion had some how or other got abroad that a more timid policy would be adopted in the latter Case, and h N e n n b c i e e the o r s d u r prise wa. r ‘ e v c i e t v e w d h — i c t s t u i e rp statement ofthe t by n no means tended to les: , en the satisfaction it gave rise to. Every one who had looked with titi unpre judiced mind at the state of the Irish Church must have seen that its very existence w in