The Sun. — London, England, 1833-02-08 00:00:00

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At the 'ltch of the opposition in the House to the address which relates to Ireland, is the suspi te Church Reform contemplated by Ministers Palliative --that the Protestant Church will to be a source of irritation to Ireland, and itise of the disorders remaining, the disorders removed. In fact, the disorders of Ireland ' 4 inly caused by the measure which the Se- Ireland insisted on carrying, contrary to the ion of some of the Irish Members who stood 'e regard of the country, in which measure taught they saw an intention of saddling them po' the odious Protestant Establishment for a pulation. It was well observed by Mr. Hume Was not the Hon Learned Member for Dublin •ta the r • • am ' eet,Chtir s,creeat,araygi;t,a,oarndof Irelund, it was the Right lion. he drew the attention to the thr ee tpe a r t of the four propositions of Mr. Stanley, °f tht four by the Irish Members, but that to one th fte ea; t4 the most strenuous opposition was made by o That Well knew the mischiefs that would result from a,,b`ro t‘!xcellent and venerable person (added Mr. H.) teoryp,:ewPorr, Who was not now in the House, Sir 444 noel who he (Mr. Hume) exceedingly regretted °fort at ," 1 in the House—(Hear, hear, hear)—and the ttat.' Learned Member for Dublin, all made every mortal men could make to induce his Majesty's " T. riot to Persevere in their compulsory tithe Ines tl°r4bletl"ileh"eer, the Right Hon.. Secretary was in af th e suspicion does not lie very louse which represents the aggre ' the country ; we have another ,weep a twentieth and thirtieth country (supposing it unincum , but which has a particular inte- Church and other abuses, the great ire of Church and State falhin I members. To all effectual Re present constituted, is supposed inisters, being under the neces louses with them, cannot propose ish Establishment as would meet which should also obtain the Lords. To the majority of the reduce the number and value of int Church of Ireland must be dr. Hume said— id was at present in a most disturbed lured that state ? His Majesty's Go : peace in Ireland and they ought to was the cause of all this ? The Irish Hear, hear.) They might disguise it the real cause. Fourteen years ago that it was necessary to the peace Church establishment in that coun- He now repeated the declaration. id saddled with a Church Establish the majority ? Were the people of tech Establishment contrary to the then should Ireland be so saddled? ligion ? That was mere mockery. raising a revenue to enrich Bishops ly were twenty-two Bishops consi million of people ? He had in his ins, Archdeacons, &c., all useless to he sales - lOd• by it , - although partial interests might be Js.gst, alntaining them, that House ought to consider 5 over a- tiO 01 1,Wil a ka t " th e , ,-41eulated to benefit the whole community." ,me e et c ieva th ere Iri e e f be Proceede4 to ask why the Scotch should any o ? ree /iew 41 members of a foreign Church than the anri u ch B W e. ou . ld be all very well if the aristocracy 14,„"'eg the hin any other light than as a means of 44110 1,1" elves. The people of Scotland would have ° Pla ar ,- with a • I . Ch h well as the ),grand' ft c.piscopa.ian urc as "51, if they had not baffled the design to se tt:lB4a -I T' a blessing—tht ough the corruption of the a ur a ', °).' very summary process. At the revo ell ' 'ttPulated for the establishment of such a s ea . a l h o , :kMi t t 1 , , °i d be agreeable to the nation—the people ale resbyterianism, and the English meaning that -411 fal ( ' t he nation should be taken—as it was after iretat e ll at the Union—through the medium of a Par ttlY I,,,lrchased by gold. But the Scotch h a d se 'te with arms, kicked the Epis ,:riltot7 ..gectuairasters out of the Churches, and placed Pres- b e the their laces; and when they had done lly p , the Court of L o ndo n was o bli ge d tt,t-atent. We have been l e d, r a th er prema e l'ir irtltvu, to anticipat e th e re l a ti on i n w hi c h h,rier ; 444e s will soon stand t owar d s eac h ot h er, a - Z,!°Y, ea ° °l Plain the distrust naturally entertained Lth4laillg the P hl eh e a u bility of Ministers to carry such aß t ill e , rch cf I re l an d , as may really satisf . y h tileruelatfort of Ireland. W e were we ll p l ease d to th at . W as last ni g h t a very genera l f eel i ng i n the 1 I 4 t Was extremely ill-judged to propose time ad ech It'anuer insulting to Mr. O'Connell, and insult or\TPle of Ireland, struck at through him. The at • klltgl' C uhhett last night was in his happiest style. t stn both aatl °r e Mr. Stanley and Mr. Macaulay, iu a asto kiiatereastn • • Mr Macaulay, indeed, a tatar,s. ,rd Peculiarly a Ag4a,l4 bid .handle, ra w c i . he dexterously availed a a ric k , ,"I'Pting to distinguish between the causes 4 , t° Nta t • ' l 'd Irish resistance. Mr. Cobbett analysed 514 )1 . 1, 4 , 11 8 i 0f independence, drawn up by Jefferson, o lB a •TO ale; t h 4l ol 4 aih'Prved that the analogy between the cases 4 ' l 'llo .t sup "' America were not so remote as Mr. Ma -21 ~,4 ° 4t), 43,P08ed it to be. This, by the way, affords an kil,Z , d,;° i ,f, the trust, of e. what ' Mr. Macaulay himself :a : 4 1 ff A 'ti t tar regard to general propositions in politics. irele,a4l,,eriee I"fePentls upon the case. The separation 61051 sever IS effected, and it is good—the separation of t t ° ° f s , h,, w , ill be effected, and it is bad. Jef - 74g. c°`;i4s. vet o ,kve, mentions, that in some of the oos. t ° o Os• t ht att °ns of the American chiefs, they went . 27 ,, to m s ,ti t of grounds of justification of their cause ; l a, N I the Party exclaimed, "But, after n ,_ ecl• ,n msso suddenly o th e i 'Ore se. t his --are we ready to fight ?" Being •o & t 5 t) Itt ar c ! sio;• ''"eY all saw that the whole question hinged ari 0 ,„ try t „ 0 alllati "hei, `: support their arguments by gun and 4lt 0 "4shi t tle p WHl het4 and their logic would have told little ( t ) , 49 , tittba.,,`•43glish and Hessian troops ; but General oe-argacuents were found unanswerable, and Iser,tcernheriean independence remains unchallenged. ' is!tween th e I r i s h an d t h e American cases, liko te palpable. Th e separat i on being t he indissol u bl e marr i age i n t h e C at h ol i c 6 4 p p ?it'll:hi must be submitted to with as good a o ' I 'lule • The Iri s h canno t s h a k e t h emse l ves rend don't ' 'Jut they can ma k e us very uncom f orta bl e; 4contrive to improve their situation, they '0 j uts a very deplorabla on e . Tile keeping Ly:tteadY cost, as was stated by M r . H ume , two Itlele There is a tendency in violence to pro -41 The use o f f o r ce ren d ers a st i ll greater tienall ).• It is like dram drinking, the quantity be increased. Let us at last fairly con qa"t'erainent was not instituted merely to keep 4 ila r r e eh ea for an aristocracy—places and pensions N ana of the gentry, hut for the good of the selei t Pr att •Y. The people of Ireland have never eted--the negroes of the Americans are in at ' , "di rion compared with them. No Govern• I 41 4 ', (if u'ristocracy would have tolerated so long the tlft4r4tt h e great body of the people of Ireland, This Feb 1 . lt h Nt.ltlPPled with, or they will not be tf.e only ito I e t 0e,,• ; Jai nigh s 4E9 Chronicle. t 44 r e to . l of gja, :o "ae t t o points open to much suspicion—we Wares te rl tid ett 't tt,e4vere and cutting animadversion—in the ta 4 ly 4,1 Irish Radicals. Mr. O'Connell has, for t ',R Pe kti 4l ( :T:. th an a twelvemonth, been " working" . i• aa,o l ,:i ab .°- tii ii t 'be e to ' union. It was the war-cry by which 'O,l later huhal hee the game of agitation after the Ca.. 49 4°oleterea carried. It was the party cry by i se.." (l 55P the election claims of such candi s,d• r . t. i t at t/ .Ois a time°tth „t ae t e l : d fiuld best serve his own views in Par . 4:t b° nest 1,51,, titmice or refusal of the " pledge to repeal ...... 0i; 0 „ h °, 4t "g the hi turned the choice or ''''' 0 4 0." 'tf g kit 13 0 hinge on which ...... a 4 0 jj, .0%„ or 40 of .1 candidates. For their of th suds ....... , 7 Went a f oot Wi t ! a, frantic pledge many gentlemen of itaaj ai ° e r I tahl uY lat'reve.ra title to sit in Parliament, were t 0 14 4 44, pa ; constituency of the south and 1:. " 0' their readiness to swallow it many u•-• ',• or, Z . / Sy it 4 q Pr thtti al l oth er proper qual ifi cat i on, were ahotral; a eu i t. ,, t o rep, that countr any to I F: a1;s Pelit r i l ta sh i 14 4 0 1 : 4a Ir. O'Ci - i y nneil lf should one have were fixed a f th e I. 4l e,i t 4 rit y, on as the single condition essential c avdt i !Ya it e, b en e sre:,Of the le .ding test by which the Ice. e, Of _oe,t° (.;eau 1050 0 were to be judged, the friends , ( - 4 4 .!e Ireb tad 411 al he loorman would, no doubt, answer, that rolify POs it. she 4t d upon the repeal of tbe Union to Tes na • , a t , olio, 13 ' 3 eing a 4 Pig, "e most beneficial and necessary to 0 eth er , 414144141,5.: Would b e no less eager with an op- , or will° mit eta _ t ° re rao._:a., that " repeal of the Union,' ge 04!bled tae ' e rah: plausible and flattering than any ,oste r , it , 1' 4 7; terv e 4 / 4 16 1 , Of hu PeS of an ignorant, shallow, anti Peopi e t , h e pur °er 4 :°, .but being, at the se an )1, ° aeherli ill 4 per po, e, u Et c l.ta i n able, was not ill calculated to ,„ 11 0 01 k, ver e fat testa Perennial excitement, to keep the relict of ,dep t °Ne t . 'ari a e ve!, and to disappoint every rational rco- 4 .. 3 b .. g a 4„ t rti .,ad e a1 .7 . 11- aff. ,Z Peace of society, ur rendering the jatig i ;,rt' ": - ‘ed to the Government, and obe rll,l' aat b e 1.. 5 .? the laws. If Mr. O'Connell felt, u frequently and fiercely proclaimed to 9, 41 Jamaica l Coffee but the sale' - 3etre to re! ~ o r , 0 :ation Car° a Elldfle n • 1 i At in olive Oa, Dil consider d but few 6ei public 531 e ; the last Pl' ol • Ton. 16 ti nuar cb.... 6 and C0.... 0 :; 18 6 tton fl 6 I nbton .0" 1T 6 i 6 Hettoo'. 16 6 l !enfield.. ,o 0 ?.6 , 1 • 5 erton Mai 55 9 ( IS t and Ce• 1 4 Grange 0 `" -I tifT S DAY.) Th, 11,, me debat e RITISII C 0 11 : ;;, ,, to e ); k 4 t of p from the ft e 't a p c to • lu Coto 1 Towns in Vlll Itttd all leans mss , tr e : it Y for 'ease---- drat tvh WEEKS PKE C , SP O L a Part of tl m of to 3 ° - Pert of th , 2i. g,l ci oa a ad ft met ,at the 1,1 11 e t) ,;. a p. onu e IMES'S.) pi. wi „ 'ne cause • 0 0 3 'aye b ee r 2▪ .15 4 erett n rritt .... 1 5 5 I r Y kr I, .... 4 0 1: - , e ° l llro e ,„ atii 110 ty , ulghe, t about stationa th e / to th, kr ri h thou 5 to 0 I n e ver te • .... 0 0 P' E tholj It h •—• 3 0 4 that is PnPul ".. 4 4 th4t Wat 4 0 llt t 4 144 th t; e ch i ere prices station 3 • fit_. th. ef sec . ~3,e. most sty t" of 'ittesdri),)ooi th o ;" fon t . t i w ieti by ti that slaver,' t s , , i t, i ' tol l , estion was ti lPe s y ; ' That "eil kn e , v the LI I the Sugar t .-,r t a li r : 341 n; 4celle nt and 0, and a larg e r i vial). bd Newport, mards the doe° Ittte pot' No; who who :•,k, and purch ase :, 110 0, now it, the he (1 total sales 31)° : ) , qfort th at Learned'"e non more drug less '• kil l . titt en merr ~e et , ii 114, °re a l urchase ;to se U re. b " not to ° en co , ces a shade high ex, r c 11, persevere 50 hhds. an d tt l; de e t'le. vir r ev : r ' the I k of Mauritiu§ _i Rate p, W e h- Cause of The deliveric; / 0 of th have _ n, lane Ho ring 955 le ° , 3t pi n t ; p n %r•Verty o f the h- I bags, beinfC 7 : 3 , d c : t % eit . :f ui t il l li i""tittli of f f In Refined tis e en , - beta t week, at 3 been l4 ct est i c i i ue n p h oidi a not), I would have ~i 14i ael urther a dvan ee tb , 1 , 1 ,41011 4 th e n g of CI tine goods fo r ~,, tcrt i , ikeh lei expenditui tined Marke t S ''' to b e hal °at s a i d hi of tile , B at 1 ;s man illa '°,, el It 'ell s ate • ' an d Alir she two pace.- S he w i . Ree ng both Ho .40 eucir 1 5 4 3 : e n of the Iris i Friday W S* , to D ep ..% of c f k S he pe,pl e, for low braisl..,, the, the -,,e IP ,-, . e Rouse o f ather loafer ; „„ ern, proposal , * l ' l ' s k i' n t h Ts to re wo rtzv e reotest 1 'riday '2,0 13°5 , - ; it : He rg at rater 10 0 " .„ sere. ,tll O , O weod, AI, ;'e Price of Sagy l - 44 4 4, m " that Irelanc have 14 ' l'h ° had Prod c. 10 1 .1 41 _ te le , ..ey ~... tie ) 4s. per es , tb e ii v : al) p . 'ved i t '''" c e had i s of the 0014 ' o f b e ‘4l;:tabit,h_ What w, den dissolUtien..ll ofchaelds2ld,buitssent.—at I the reported ; Y r i , , cr rl kk is . lated i. thathis w as c Ty in three Y,, , , , , I. N c s r hook sh at th e ' place old at 765. 3 sl o e iie4 eth be - fished. C nab, about h od t o te4eorit7 'fished. i. with a Chin ord. 495. tid• s , vtil flatk, star), to thewO Scotian( gs, was talce s , Ik. e rth e mdled ll of t •er ; Cheribeoi., f c t i, In a ; , orit .'. sales 1'2 9 clica decd wi t fo r t he sn , y t ' Why , the tatter i° , , c le o er) "(1) Purpose Jamaica 1 1, ' b ef h t . Ilk._ ghit ari of ra I Cotter is fa t the Ni,,, l ' a ary 1 es- Why co Ilati o a lon. 0 r half a n he sales of i lsi .,,4 ° 0 h 4 , 141 ted 4 , 4 I e IS "Dear „ iv , -. 1 I t c oy ~a -. ; and alt 6R ra, . 11 et e i:ht, per>., .7 , 1 8114% ' gd, w4 tir,h , 1 14 e. d. s. aft) c `o9e ( 4l t 17 6 5 u ig r itid I 9 ti 0 0 0 8t 41 10 0 o ►jji w e 7 o 13 0 • "o o' g usq, ai4 i ' 41 4 4th• ilhate 'te „ "it d. s• 1144 t e 052 l a 0 tc o 63 o 4',„1 0 L er tl l 74 0 tRi 0 "" 0 ." s ec -- Ot a e6 oth ti rc •2•2 , . t° t oy Co, to Si. Pe r 4J , tp e eC ; Idutt o t4pi Pt • cwt.; °a "%t ' 4 4 krklotit (No. 12,610.) his Irish audiences, that " repeal" was the one thing needful for his n itive country, we are justified in repeat. ing Mr. Stanley's question—Why has he never dared tt bring the question under the eye of Parliament ? Why, in this reformed House of Commons, has he never, among his numerous notices of motions, ven tured to tell the Speaker, that on such a day he wil' move the repeal of the Act of Union between Great Bri tain and Ireland ? No man will assert, we suppose, that in the present Parliament Ireland has not exercised a free choice of representatives, except in so far as the choice was controlled by Mr. O'C , nnell's intimidating manoeu vres. None will say that England has not returned, on the whole, a House of Commons representing the people. Then we ask once again, if Mr. O'Connell's project of " repeal of the Union" be worthy to meet the publ c opi nio❑ of both countries, why does its author shrink from that independent and enlightened tribunal before which the question would now be fairly investigated ? He has no boroughmongers, no packed House of Commons to deter him ; he has no powers of darkness now opposed to him ; does be, then, dread the light ? Is his political wisdom of calibre fit only for a wretched Irish rabble ? or was repeal of the Unio❑ no better than an election bait, to lure the simple gudgeons to the hustings ? We do not say whether we were ourselves prepared or not for this gross shirking of the most notorious engagements ; but when Mr. O'Connell interrupted Mr. Stanley with a dis claimer of having ascribed the evils of Ireland to the Union, it came to a pretty clear admission that a repeal of the Union was not indispensable to her relief. There is another circumstance worth consideration. Mr. Barron, Member for Waterford, allowed that Irish landlords are averse to the establishment of poor laws. The fact is, indeed, well known, and entirely characteristic of the caste, with the exception of Mr. James Grattan, who has repeatedly brought Bills into Parliament for that impor tant purpose, and a very few other gentlemen. We are given to understand that the whole body of Irish proprie tors hold the name of poor laws in abhorrence. But the instructive part of the matter is, that Mr. O'Connell has declared himself hostile to the institution of poor laws,— that is to say (in other words), anxious for the continu atm of the Irish peasantry in a state of hopeless misery and destitution. The priests are not so. Dr. Doyle has written, no long time ago, an admirable and unanswerable pamphlet in recommendation of a legal provision for the other wise helpless poor. All England cries shame upon the heartless system which annually expatriates so many thousands of Irish paupers, quartering them, first upon English industry, and when that fails, upon the funds more rightfully appropriated to the relief of English want. Why, then, are such things overlooked by Mr. O'Connell and his subordinate agitators ? They attack the clergy for collecting tithe front the poor, but nothing is said against the landlords changing places with the clergy. In our eyes the most essential part of the whole Church measure would be a transfer to the miserable starving peasants of a large portion of that ecclesiastical revenue the use of which is about to be readjusted by authority of Parliament. So far as the debates have yet proceeded, the landlords in their war upon the pockets of the clergy are represented by Messrs. O'Connell and Co. The clergy in their endeavour to keep a fast gripe of that share of landed produce which has long been slip ping away from them, are represented by Messrs. Stan - ley and Co. But who represents the poor of Ireland? No one! None but the Catholic priesthood, who on this subject of poor laws have ably pleaded for theta. We re peat, that in these hot and noisy discussions the poor of Ireland—the blind tools and victims of other men's evil passions, —appear to have no interest whatever ! There is something which shocks us in all this. The poor man's pig or cow is driven by the police or soldiery to the market for arrear of tithe. The landlord encourages the unfortunate creature to resist this oppres sion of the parson, because he may thereby the better pay his rent. There is a clamour raised against the Church, and the landlord watches the process of aliena. tion of Church property, which he has himself compelled, that he may pounce upon and seize it to his own uses. The incomes of the Irish Bishops are too large for their enjoy. ment ; but in no other particular do the operate to the injury of the poor than by the generation of an inter mediate class of landlords between the actual occupier and the Bishop. Some Church Reformers talk of granting the tithe— we take for granted they mean the commuted tithe—to the poor. But this, of course, must be the final, not the immediate destination of it. It is a monstrous exposition of the rapacity of Irish landlords if the tithe be commuted to one-tenth of the rent. Either the landlords have made a most false anti fraudu lent outcry against the " heavy exactions" of the clergy, or a most dishonest bargain will be made as against both Church and State, should the lay tyrants of the tenantry be let off from the whole weight of tithe in future for a tenth of the landlord's profits. In Scotland the tithe composition was one-fifth of the rent ; and that rate, which we think ought to be enforced against the Irish landlord also, would form an ample fund for the poor. Let us see whether Mr. O'Connell will heartily agree to this. If not— ! In connexion with the surrender of commuted tithes to the poor, it is proposed by intelligent and practical persons that a small tax be imposed on the income arising from moneyed capital, as well as on land,to support on their present nominal scale of revenue the existing generation of Irish clergy. The income from money would be no less equitably assessed to poor-rates than income from land, but as, by the scheme in question, the tithe in its commuted form is to be given to the poor, and therefore, in fact, becomes itself a poor-rate, that which is the substitute for it ought to fa'l upon every species of property. The Church lands, it is believed, including in them those at present assigned to the Bishops, and the posses sions of Deans and Chapters, would provide not mere:) , for an adequate Protestant Church Establishment, but likewise for Catholic and Dissenting Clergy. We ob serve front the official copy of the votes that Mr. Richards has given notice for the 7th March of a motion proposing to accomplish the objects which we have been explaining. The Hon. Gentleman, it is true, contem plates the transfer of the existing tithe in its present form to the poor; but this we apprehend, if we understand him rightly, runs counter to the resolutions already passed by Parliament, and to the intentions of Government, as avowed from the throne.. The motion of Mr. Richards, nevertheless, taken as a whole, is likely to bring on a most interesting discussion, and well deserves the most attentive public consideration. We subjoin the exact words of the notice:— " Mr. Richards—Bill to invest the tithes now payable to :he clergymen of the Established Church in Ireland in trustees for the benefit of the poor resident in the respective parishes in Ireland :—Bill to raise a tax of Is. in the pound on all in• comes arising from capital in Ireland, for the payment of the stipends due to the existing Ministers of the establishment; and for providing for the reduction of that establishment, as vacancies occur in the respective bishoprics, deaneries, chap ters, rectories, and other benefices, until the whole may be pro vided for out of the Church lands, and the public be relieved from the tax to be now imposed." The debate in the Commons was again adjourned. The most striking incidents of the night were the speeches of Lord Ebrington and Sir R. Peel, which deserve an atten tive perusal. We shall to-morrow point out some useful passages in both of them.— Times. 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BELL and BRAIWUTE, Edinburgh ; for Ireland, John CUMMING, Dublin ; and to be had of all respectable Booksellers in the United Kingdom. UNSTANIPED PUBLICATIONS.—The follow ing is a copy of a letter received last week by the Com missioners of Stamps from WILLI/of CoovEn, who was the principal witness against COLLEY and CURRIE at Union Hall, on an alleged charge of conspiracy : _ February 1. Gentlemen,—l cannot think of making my appearance against Colley and Currie for the conspiracy, as my statement is false in every respect. w. COOPER. To the Hon. the Commissioners of Stamps. LONDON, FRIDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 8, 1833. FRENCII PAPERS. (From the Moniteur of Wednesday, Feb. 6. The Journals have given details of the challenges which have been interchanged between the writers attached to them, and two meetings have actually taken place. The Magistrates have taken measures to prevent further encounters. Th e challengers on the one side were arrested on the 3d inst., and orders have been issued to arrest those of the opposite opinion, who may persist in this deplorable contest, in spite of the ge neral reprobation which was manifested in the result of the first duel, which was universally regretted. The Government need not enter into any explanation as to its interference i❑ these lamentable disputes. The public peace, personal liberty, and the lives of citizens were threatened ; there were surely snore than sufficient causes for the vigilance and activity of the legal authorities. The law is bound to afford protection to all, and in exercising it, the Government of France has but fulfilled one of its most sacred duties. To disarm the hand of violence, and give time to mistaken excitement to become calm, is within the province of the Magis tracy. Hence the most exasperated now confess that this, indeed, is the means of putting an end to public provocations, and that arms are dropped before a pri son. * This is doing justice to a fact; why then incriminate the intention, when the Government adopts the same measures towards all, and for the sake of public tranquillity alone ? With the Government this is not a political question, but one of order, humanity, and individual liberty. The authorities, upon this occasion, have not to inquire who is right or who is wrong in the relations between man and man, for all are wrong in regard to the laws, public order, and liberty, which disavow such arms and such means. Excesses of the press, whatever they may be, are in a well-regulated state amenable to the tribunals alone, and certainly the Government has never hesitated to call forth:against such offences the severity of the laws. It does, too, full justice to all in not allowing a private individual to take the law in his own hands. In this affair, consequently, it makes no distinction of parties, of offences, pro vocations, or reprisals; it sees, and can only see an attack upon public and private safety, which it repels from whatever quarter it may proceed. Faithful to this course, the authorities will not allow any opinion to avail itself against the public peace, of an unfortunate collision, the individual effects of which their vigilance endeavours at the same time to frustrate. A demonstration, extremely favourable to the revolution and the monarchy of July, will result from this experiment, namely, the weakness of the Legitimist party, who have been suc cessively reduced from foreign to civil war, and from civil war to duelling. Whether the appeal to the inhabitants of the West or South, or an attempt, as in the present instance, to act by their own authority, the country will profit by this two-fold experiment; but the Government will not anew any party to make an ill use of it. (From the Quotidienne of Wednesday, Feb. 6.) TOULON, JAN. 29.—The Marengo of the line, the Hermione and Vietore frigats, were to be sent to the Morea to bring back part of our troops. These vessels were preparing to execute this commission when counter orders arrived. Hence a thousand conjectures on the future destination of these vessels. But we have now a further object for conjecture and discussion. Orders have since arrived immediately to fit out the Superb of the line, and other vessels. Several ships are being examined in order to ascertain in how many days they can be ready, and others are expected from the ports on the ocean. In short every thing is preparing here to assemble and equip a powerful naval force. Besides this we have squadrons in the Levant, at Ancona, and Algiers, which are all kept on the complete war establishment, and which might easily and speedily join the Toulon squadron. It is said that Rear-Admiral Latreyte will hoist his flag on board the Superb. PARIS, FED. s.—Last night a Council of Ministers was held at the residence of the President. M. Montalivet passed a great part of the night at the palace. It seems that Louis Philip was rather indisposed. Marshal Clausel has been invited to dinner at the Minister's of War. It is said that Louis Philip had wished that all the great dignitaries should meet at this dinner, but General Tiburie Sebastiani, it is said, has declared that he would not attend. It is thought also that Marshal Gerard will be ill. (From the Messager des Chanthres of Wednesday.) PARIS, FEB. s.—What we have predicted and announced respecting a change in the Ministry is confirmed. A reconstruc tion of the Cabinet has been seriously talked of this morning. It will Ise made in the spirit of the revolution of July. It has been led to by debates which have arisen in the Cabinet upon the finances, and still more by what has lately passed in Paris, relative to political collisions and duels. Yes.. terday evening seven portefeuilles were disposed of ; the eighth remained. The formation of the Cabinet was suspended, because the person to be appointed for this one was not de termined on. It is thought something will be decided this evening. This evening, it is still affirmed, that there is in the Council a great difference of opinion respecting the finances, and that Marshal Soult, or M. Humann, must withdraw from the Ministry. (From the Constitutionnel.) PARIS, FEB. s.—The Committee of the Chamber of De_ pubes, appointed to examine the budget of the Minister of War, is said to persist in its economical views. If we are well in_ formed, the French army, according to the plan of the Com mittee, would be diminished above 150,000 men, by the sup pression of a battalion or a squadron in each regiment. How ever, as in the organization of the army in 1814, the skeletons of the suppressed battalions would be retained. The admi nistration of the War Department would undergo many modi fications ; and the materiel of the army in particular has at tracted the attention of the Committee. The Minister, it is said, will be asked to account for several innovations which have been found useless or too expensive. Several contracts may be annulled, by a formal refusals to grant the funds ne cessary to carry them into effect. • National and Tribune; 4th inst. SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. (THIS DAY.) COURT CIRCULAR. His Majesty held an Investiture yesterday afternoon, at St. James's Palace, of the Most Honourable Military Order of the Bath, which was very numerously attended, owing to the dispen sation some months ago, by means of which several Knights, who have not been installed, were enabled to assist at the ceremony. The Knights Grand Crosses assembled at half-past 2o'clock, in the Portrait Gallery, where they were robed by Messrs. Webb and Hunter in the crimson robes of the Order, with the star embroidered on the breast. The collar is worn over the mantle. The Dean of the Order (the Dean of Westminster) wore a robe similar to that of the Knights, the other officers appeared in robes of white, with their respective ensigns of office. The Knights entered the State Rooms, where their names were called over by the King of Arms, when there appeared the Dukes of Cumberland and Gloucester, Viscount Beresford, Lord Hill, Sir J. Kempt, the Earl of Rosslyn, Sir IL Neale, Sir H. Fane, Admiral Sir J. H. Whitshed, Admiral Sir Robert Stopford, Admiral Sir B. Carew, Sir J. Byng, Lord Saumarez, Sir IL Clinton, Sir T. Hardy, General Sir H. %Varde, Sir W. Gordon, Sir C. Bagot, and Viscount Palmerston. The Officers of the Order present were, the Dean (the Dean of Westminster), Bath King of Arms (Algernon Grenville, Esq.), Genealogist (Ashton Blount, Esq.), Registrar and Se cretary (Sir W. Woods), Gentleman Usher of the Red Rod (G. F. Betty, Esq.), Secretary to the Second and Third Classes (Sir H. Nicholas). The Knights were introduced into the Throne Room by the Vice-Chamberlain ; they were preceded by the Gentlemen Usher: and the Usher of the Order; the Royal Dukes took precedence, and were followed by the Dean of the Order, and the Knights according to seniority. The Honourable Band of Gentlemen Pensioners attended the ceremony for the first time, by com mand of the King, and formed an avenue through which the Knights passed. His Majesty, who appeared in the Robes of the Order, stood in front of the Throne; in attendance were the Lord Steward, the Captain of the Honourable Corps of Gentlemen Pensioners, the Groom of the Stole, the Comptroller of the Household ; Co lonel Bowater, the Equerry in Waiting; the Groom of the Robes; Lord Napier and Sir Hillgrove Turner, the Lord and Groom in Waiting. The Knights having made their obeisances to the Sovereign, Admiral Sir Davidge Gould was introduced, and the star and riband having been handed to the King on a crimson velvet cushion, his Majesty was pleased to invest Sir Davidge with the ensigns of a Knight Grand Cross. Admiral Sir Charles Hamilton was introduced. and received the honour of Knighthood from his Majesty. with the Sword of State, and was afterwards invested with the ensigns of a Knight Commander of the Order. His Majesty addressed each of the Knights on their intro duction, enumerating the services on account of which the pre sent honour was about to be conferred upon them. The Knights then retired, snaking their obeisances, from the presence of the King. Ilis Majesty gave audiences to the Marquis of Winchester and Viscount Palmerston. The Duchess of Kent, attended by Lady Charlotte St. Maur, the Duke of Gloucester, and a select party, dined with their Majesties last evening. The Duke of Gloucester, the Princess Sophia, and the Prin cess Sophia Matilda, partook of a dejeune with their Majesties yesterday. The Duke of Sussex visited their Majesties in the afternoon. His Majesty gave audiences yesterday to the Earl of Mayo and Sir John Hobhouse. . . Their Majesties entertained the Dukes of Cumberland and Gloucester, the Hanoverian Minister, Earl and Countess of Mayo, the Rev. Dr. Kuper, and a select party, at dinner, on Wednesday evening. Lord Howard de Walden, Minister to the Court of Sweden, left town yesterday, to proceed on his embassy. The Parisian beauty (Mademoiselle DUVER NAY), comes out on Monday next, at Drury-lane Theatre. FROM LLOYD'S. DEAL, FEB. 7.—Wind W.N. W.—Sailed part of the outward bound, but in consequence of the wind shifting, the great.r part returned. Arrived the Severn, Landers, from Sumatra ; Statyra, Read, from London, for Jamaica. PORTSMOUTH, FEB. 7.—Wind W.S.W.—Sailed his Ma jesty's ship Spartiate, for Plymouth and South America. Ar rived off port, the Colliseum, Winon, from Rio Janeiro; Emu. lation, Cotton, from St Michael's. PLYMOUTH, FEB. 6.—Wind S.S.E.—Arrived the May flower, Pucker, from St. Michael's. FALMOUTH, FEB. 6.—Wind W.S. W., fresh gales and squally.—Arrived the Pigeon packet, from the Leeward Islands, sailed from St. Thomas's 10th ult. ; his Majesty's ship Royalist, from Lisbon, sailed 26th ult., and from off Oporto, 2d inst. Royal Admiral, Fotheringham, from Batavia ; Lavinia, Ros- cevall, from Chesme ; Britannia, Llewellyn, from Port-au- Prince ; his Majesty's steamer Firefly, from Woolwich ; and his Majesty's ship Pantaloon, from. Plymouth. LIVERPOOL, FEB. 6.--Arrived the Tacitus, Candler, from Charleston. Sailed the Minerva, Metcalf, for Bombay. GREENOCK, FEB. s.—Arrived the St. Vincent, Brown, from Demerara ; the Portoberry, Pollock, from Charleston ; the Vittoria, Elder, from Newfoundland ; and the John, Bon ner, from Halifax. COWES, FEB. 7.—Arrived the Prompt, Barnes, from Monte Video. TORBAY, FEB. 6.—Arrived the Lonbon, Pepperall, from St. Michael's. PENZANCE, Fcn. 6.—Arrived off port the Silestria, England, from Messina. ABERDEEN, FEB. 5. Arrived the Herald, Goldie, from Savannah. The Lucy Davidson, Stewart, was totally wrecked on a sunken rock off Tobago, Dec. 15 ; crew saved. The sloop John, Shaw, was wrecked at Grenada, Dec. 27; the greater part of the cargo saved. The schooner Lark was wrecked at Dominica, Dec. 21. The Hope, Shaddock, bound to Newfoundland, put back to Poole with damage, and leaky. The Columbia, from Liverpool to Bombay, and the Fa. vourite, from London to the South Seas, were spokeil with on the 9th December in lat. 16 S., and long. 30 W. The Kirkcudbright Castle, from Dundalk,:is totally wrecked on West Hoyle ; her master and mate saved. DRURY-LANE THEATRE. The opera of Don Juan was repeated last night at this theatre, on which occasion Mr. BUNN, the Stage-manager, mentioned that the pit seat at the back of the orchestra was restored. This had the effect of restoring almost immediate tranquillity, and the opera went off with eclat. COURT OF COMMON COUNCIL. A Court of Common Council was held yesterday, which was very fully attended. Immediately upon forming the Court, Mr. Dixon offered some observations respecting the propriety of the Court taking some notice to express their opinion of the length of the services rendered to the Corporation by the late Mr: Alderman Waithman ; upon which a Committee of two Aldermen and five Commoners, was appointed to withdraw immediately, and consider the proper course to be adored. The Remembrancer reported to the Court that Lord Altborp had given notice of a motion i❑ the House of Corm mons for a Bill respecting Corporations generally. The Committee appointed to withdraw and consider the course to be adopted towards expressing the feeling of the Court, of the manner in which the late Alderman Waitbman had performed his duties as a Member of the Court of Common Council, Alderman, Sheriff, Lord Mayor, and Representative of the City, being returned, Mr. Alderman WOOD submitted a resolution which they bad prepared accordingly, which was agreed to mut oimously, and ordered to be advertised. A copy was also directed to be sent to the family of the late Alderman, under the orders of the Committee, who were also instructed to ascertain whether it would be grateful to their feelings that such Members of the Court as may be de..irous of availing themselves of the opportu nity, should testify their respect to the memory of the de- ceased by attending his funeral.l RYE, FEB. 4. TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN. public meeting was this day held by the inha bitants of this town, at the Guildhall, by order of 'W. Pliamb, , Mayor, pursuant to a requisition, for the purpose of petitioning Parliament for the immediate aboli tion of Negro Slavery in the British Colonies. Resolutions to that effect were unanimously agreed ,to, and a Committee was appointed to prepare a petition in ac cordance with them. This meeting owed its origin to the Dissenters of Rye, but we were much gratified to witness the attendance of Ministers from the Established Church. It is not the intention of the Reformers of Rye to em barrass a Reforming Ministry, by petitions to the Legisla ture in furtherance of non-essential measures of Reform, and as they would not willingly doubt their sincerity, and are desirous of giving them every support to render the Reform Bill effective, the political association of this town have thought proper, at their monthly meeting, held a few days since, to prepare petitions in support of the ballot, and the repeal of the Septennial Act. Your obedient servant, A REFORMER. ANTI-TITHE MEETING AT PEVENSEY. (Abridged from the Brighton Guardian.) The first anti-tithe meeting in the county of Sussex was held on Friday last, at the village of Pevensey, near 8ex .... hill. About 12 o'clock, between 40 and 50 owners and occnpiers of land in the parish of Pevensey met at the New Inn, for the purpose of petitioning both Houses of Par liament on the subject of tithes. JoirN WHITEMAN, EN., the Mayor of Pevensey, hav ing been called to the chair, expressed his willingness:to assist the meeting in its object. Mr. BAKER having announced that the object of the meeting was to claim a redress of the difficulties under which they laboured, in consequence of the present tithe system, Mr. SAXBY proposed the first resolution, expressive of the opinion of the meeting of the oppressive, injurious, and unjust nature of tithes, as a tax both upon industry and capital, which, being seconded by Mr. HAUT, was unani mously carried. Mr: JOIIN HOLLAND, the overseer of the parish, in pro posing a resolution expressive of the opinion of the meeting that the clergy ought to be compelled to reside in their respective parishes, stated that the Vicar who drew 1,2001. per annum from the parish, had, he believed, performed divine service in the parish church once, and that 17 years a go, when he first took possession of the living.—(Hear.) Mr. SAMPSON proposed, as the fourth resolution— " That this meeting considers the English tithe system to he quite as oppressiv e and unjust, and to call as impe riously for redress as the Irish ; and that should any mea sure of relief be granted to Ireland without an equally comprehensive one being extended to this country, it will cause general dissatisfaction and distrust, and lead to re sults which this meeting fears to contemplate." This being seconded, was carried nem con. Dr. THOMAS BRETTON, in moving the next resolution, entered into a general history of the tithe system—l as sure you, Gentlemen, if you persevere, you must succeed. There never was a great public question taken up by the people which did not succeed.—(Hear.) 1C312 remember t h e abolition of the slave trade, Catholic em incipation, an d the passing of the Reform Bill.—(Applause.) Now who was it carried that ? Why the people. Vox Populi Vox Dei. I am happy, Gentlemen, to say that I live in a country where moral force is superior to physical. We are not about to have a contest of physical strength ; a nother charts f rom oppressors b y f orce o f arms—not to have another Runnymede, to gain al .e ou a t re to n sa o c t r g ifi oi c n e g lo,ooo men—but by moral arguments and the force of reason, to knock down this immutable barrier. We are about to tell the King, through his Mi nisters, that we consider this tithe system bad ; if, there fore, every man in this room feels convinced that such is the fact, let him put his name to this petition, let opinion run like wildfire, let petitions pour in from every town, v ill a ge, and haml e t i n t h e country, and let the Legisla ture know that this h orr ibl e t i t h e system i s w h at you a bh or. (Great applause.) A petition in conformity with the resolutions having been agreed to, thanks were voted to the Mayor, who re turned the due acknowledgment. The meeting then broke up ; some returned to their homes immediately, and others stayed to partake of " roast beef and plum pudding" at the New Inn. (PRICE ?D.) IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF COMMONS, FEBIRU4AY 7. The SPEAKER took his seat shortly before four o'clock FEES OF THE HOUSE. Mr. DIVETT put a question to the Speaker relative to certain fees (as we und. rstood) to the Clerks of the House; but from the low tone in which he spoke, our reporter could not hear the question distinctly. The SPEAKER said, any answer which he ~ :ould give to such a question would have been far more valuable and more safe if the Hon. Member had called his attention to the subject first out of the chair, when he could ascertain the length of time such fees had been ,demanded, by what right they were justified, and whether they had been legally de manded or had crept in by abuse or ancient usage. He would take care that no fees should be demanded, unles. they were justified, and be would undertake to make an inquiry into them.—(Hear.) It was not only his duty but his honest inclination to give the House, particularly new Members, every information—(Hear, hear)—but that information might be imperfect or erroneous, if gen tlemen did not come to him before the night, not for any purpose of his own but for their satisfaction.—( Hear. ) Mr. DIVETT expressed himself satisfied with what had fallen from the Right Hon. Gentleman. REPRESENTATION OF THE CITY OF LONDON. On the motion of Mr. Alderman WOOD, a new writ was ordered for the election of a Member for the City of London, in the room of Alderman Wait/It:Han, deceased. Mr. GORING (as we believe) begged to ask the Noble Lord (Altborp) if it was his intention to bring forward any measure to alter and amend the provisions of the Beer Bill. The SPEAKER interrupted the Hon. Member by saying that it was not usual to ask a question upon a public matter during the proceedings on private business. Mr. HODGSON obtained leave to bring in a Bill to enable the Clarence Railway Company, in the County of Durham, to make branch railways. Mr. MANGLES presented a petition from Guildford, praying for a better observance of the Lord's Day. Mr. JERVIS gave notice that, on the 14th inst., he would move fur leave to bring in a Bill for regulating the amount of fines payable by persons becoming freemen of cities and boroughs by birth, servitude, and marri.ge ; and that to-morrow he would move fur certain returns connected with corporations in England Mr. Sergeant SPANKIE presented a petition from Clerkenwell, for the repeal of the house and window tax. Mr. R. STUART wished to ask a question of the Noble Lord (Althorp), which was of considerable im portance, not merely to his own constituents, but to Scot land generally. He put it in consequence of the Noble Lord having stated it to be his intention to amend and alter the laws relating to existing Corporations in England. He wished to knaw whether it was the intention of his Majesty's Government to submit to the House any mea sure to alter and amend the existing laws relating to Cor porations, and to the present mode of electing Magistrates of boroughs in Scotland. Lord ALTHORP begged to observe that he had not said he intended to bring in a Bill to alter existing Cor porations in England, but that he intended only to move for a Special Committee to inquire into them. With regard to Scotland, he could state that a Bill was in pre paration for a reform of the Scotch burghs—(Hear, bear) —and that notice of it would have been given had hit Hon. and Learned Friend the Laid Advocate been in his place. In answer to a question from an How. MEMBER, Lord ALTHORP said the Government would have no objection to the appointment of a Committee of In quiry into the state of the Corporations of Ireland. Sir ROBERT INGLIS said, as the Noble Lord had given notice that it was the intention of Govern- ment to introduce a measure for Reform in the Church, he wished now to ask whether it was the intention of the Noble Lord to furnish any materials to the House by which the Members might be prepared to come to a proper conclusion on the subject. Lord ALTHORP ■aid he had no information to lay before the House at present. He considered it his duty to give all the information in hie power ; but he thought it would be better that it should be given when leave was moved for to bring in the Bill. Mr. O'CONNELL said that he had a motion on the paper respecting the Corporations of Ireland, which he was willing to give up if the subject was taken up by his Majesty's Government. Lord ALTHORP said they would have no objection, in fact he was anxious that a Committee should be ap pointed. Mr. HILL presented a petition, signed by 7,600 persons, inhabitants of Hull, praying for a Reform in the Corporation of that town. The Honourable and Learned Gentleman said, to show the necessity for the interference of that House, it was only necessary for him to state, that for the last two hundred years the Court of King's Bench had been strenuously endea vouring to uphold the close system, and give all pro tection to the self-elected Magistrates, and, of course, do away with the undoubted rights of the people. If the business of England were at all to be attended to during the present Session, he was satisfied that the time of the House could not be better employed than in ex tending the principles of the Reform Act to all the corpo rations of England.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. STiticiLawn and another How. MEMBER supported the prayer of the petition, and expressed their hope that the Committee promised by the Noble Lord upon the subject of Corporations would point out some remedy for the abuses which had grown up, as stated in the petition.— Laid upon the table. Mr. FREDERICK NORTH presented a petition from the Corporation of Hastings against the Sale of Beer Act. An Hox. 111101 BER asked whether it was the intention of the Chancellor of the Exchequer to bring in any measure to amend that Act ? Lord ALTHORP said that he had no intention of the kind, but that if any Hon. Member thought fit to move for a Committee of Inquiry into the working of that Act, Le saw no objection to it.—(Hear, hear.) The petition was then laid on the table. Mr. BOTCH presented a petition from Knaresborough, in favour of the repeal of the house and window taxes. Mr. C. MARJORIBANKS presented a petition from Linthorn, in favour of the better observance of the Sabbath.—Both of the above laid upon the table. Mr. WILKS presented a petition from the Committee of the Protestant Society for the Protection of Religious Liberty, in favour of the complete emancipation of the Jews. He had no doubt that this was but the first of many petitions which would be presented upon the subject, and he trusted that their prayer would be complied with. By the repeal of the Test and Corporation Act, the Jews were now ex posed to particular hardships, for they were unable, if they were enforced against them, to resist the penalties from which they used formerly to be cleared in common with other Dissenters by the annual bill of indemnity. The petition having been laid upon the table, Mr. WILKS moved that it be printed. Sir ROBERT INGLIS objected to the presenting of the petition on the ground that it purported to come front a Committee, and not from a public body ; and also be cause it would occasion discussion, which would be in consistent with the arrangement entered into last night on the subject of printing petitions. Mr. O'CONNELL attached great weight and impor tance to the petition. It came from a Protestant Society having for its object the protection of religious liberty. He represented a constituency of a different persuasion. But he and his constituents were equally anxious for the est I blishment of perfect freedom of conscience, and on the most extensive score of religious liberty. He would, however, recommend to the Hon. Member (Mr. Willis), rather than provoke discussion on its printing, to with draw the petition for a few days. Mr. WILKS objected to any iiezirttion of the pri. vileges of Members on the subject of printing petitions. He thought any attempt to preclude the printing of petitions, recommended either by the body from whence thew caiue, or by the magnitude of the subject to which they referred, interfered not only with the rights of the House, but of the general constituency. Rather, however, than occupy, at present, the attention of the House, he would adopt the suggestion of the Honourable and Learned Mem ber for Dublin, and withdraw the petition for a few days. The Honourable Member gave notice of his intention to move, on the sth of March, for a Select Committee, to consider the general state of parochial registries in England and Wales, and of the laws relating thereto; and for certain accounts of births, marriages, and deaths. On March 12, he should move for leave to bring in a Rill to exempt from poor rate. all • • . _ ell arches, el,ftele, and other place. ereltuirely appropriat tf i to religion. Mr. FINCH wished to ask a question of the Noble Lord opposite—whether or not hi s M a j esty ' s Governmen t intended to bring forward any measu re f or the ifisteissirizi of Political Unions. Lord ALTHORP said it was not his intention to bring forward any such measure.—(Loud cheers.) Mr. GROTE moved for certain returns of silk im • ported from January, 1832, to January, 1833. Lord ALTHORP did not object to the returns. Mr. MACKENZIE presented a petition from the parish of Kilceugb, in the county of Perth, relative to the better observance of the Sabbath. The SPEAKER intimated that the present was the tim e to receive all election petitions. The Right Hon. Gentleman read the usual order applicable to the mode of receivin g those petitions. After which, The CMIEV CLERK called out the name of each peti tion ; those against the returns for the borough of Petersfield, the city of Oxford, the borough of Coleraine, the borough of Stafford, and the city of Bath, were ordered to he taken into consideration on Tuesday fort. night ; those against the returns for the boroughs of Tiverton and Carn arvon were ordered to be considered on Thursday fortnight. IRISH VAGRANTS. Mr. PALMER begged to put a question to the Right Honourable Gentleman opposite (Mr. Lamb) which was of great importance to the county which he represented (Berks), and to many others. Tne Right Honourable Gentleman would recollect that about twelve months ago a memorial had been presented from that county, as to the settlement of the Irish va grants, and he (Mr. Palmer) wished to know if any steps had been taken to alter the law, and thereby relieve the counties from such a heavy burden. Mr. LAMB had no hesitation in informing the House, that that one memorial, and others upon the same subject, had been under the consideration of Governimnt, who thought the best way was to instruct the Commis sioners who were now inquiring into the poor laws, to extend their inquiries upon that subject. That was the state in which the. case was at present, the Commissioners not having yet made their report. Mr. PALMER was glad to find the memorial was in the hands of the Commissioners, and was satisfied to take no step upon the subject, until they should make their report. Mr. O'CONNELL said that, in consequence of the im portance of the adjourned debate on the address, and the necessity of getting it finished, he would, with the per mission of the House, postpone his motion for leave to bring in a Bill to abolish the Vestry Cess in Ireland, ti.l Tuesday, the 19th inst. Lord ALTHORP was of opinion that it would be better at once to go on with the adjourned debate, and postpone the sessional orders which stood for to-night till Mo.olay next, he thought it would be more convenient and hoped it would meet with the approbation of the 'Joust...— Agreed to. RESUMED DEBATE ON THE ADDRESS. The NOBLE LORD then moved the order of the day for resuming the adjourned debate on the address, which was read, and Mr. HUME, in rising to recommence the adjourned de bate said, I will beg at the outset to recall the attention of the House to the real question before it. Although I think the great length of time which has been bestowed on the question ought in part to have been otherwise occupied, I must say that I do not think it is the fault of the Hon. Member for Dublin or the other Irish Members woo have spoken, that the debate has taken the turn it has ; for a more pointed attack I never heard than was ma ie upon them. Whilst the mover of the address attacked Hon. Members on this side of the House for their con duct, not here but elsewhere, they did not utter a word about England or Scotland, but spoke as if no such countries existed.—(Hear.) I will state my view of what I conceive to be the duties imposed upon us. More is expected from this Parliament than from any other that has ever been assembled. But it strangely happens that there has hardly been a speech from the throne which has paid less attention to the questions which now interest the body of the community. I was in hopes that a Reformed Parliament would have had addressed to it something clearer in the shape of the King's speech than has heretofore been the practice, and that it would at least have contained an out line or intimation of what the Government intended to do. Now if we may take the speech as indicative of the inten tion of the Government, we must conclude that nothing is to be done this session for England except with regard to the Bank Charter, the East India Charter, and the reform of the Church.—(A laugh.) If 1 look to the speech of last year, I find that more attention was paid to the internal condition of the country, than is now exhibited.—(Mr. Hume here read an extract from the King's speech last year, respecting the necessity of alle viating the distresses of the country.) Now the question I would put to his Majesty's Ministers is this—Whether the country is now in a better condition than at the pe riod I refer to ? They certainly cannot consider it to be in a prosperous condition, or they would have congratu lated us upon it in the usual way. The conclusion I draw from their silence is, that they intend to do nothing to relieve the distress felt by different interests in the country. 1 can assure them that they are misinformed, or mis judge the wishes of the people of England if they suppose that because they have not petitioned, they do not expect a large reduction of expenditure and taxation, and also relief from an alteration in the mode of levying its amount. Not a word is said in his Majesty's speech, however, of the necessity of modi fying or reducing the taxes. We know, however, that the middling classes, those who, as the phrase is, are endeavouring to pay their way, it is who want relief. Sir, when I think of the intentions of Government, as far as I can collect them from their acts—when I consi der that, in answer to the question which I proposed, whether they meant to abolish a military sinecure office, they said " No," I am afraid the country will feel sadly disappointed.—(Hear.) I wish most anxiously to afford the Noble Lord opposite an opportunity of stating explicitly before the conclusion of this debate what their intentions are upon the subject of taxation—whether they mean to propose any alleviation of the burdens of the people, and whether they mean to put others in the place of what it may be their intention to repeal. At present I so lemnly enter my protest on behalf of my constituents. They expect, and the people of England I believe gene rally expect, that something decisive should have been stated upon this subject, either in the speech from the Throne, or in explanation by some Mem ber of his Majesty's Government. I say this is the feeling of the country generally ; and although nothing was stated by the mover of this address, respect ing Scotland or England, if I can judge from information I have received, they expect relief, not merely by the withdrawal of taxes, but by the disband ing of useless establishments, and the reduc tion of over-paid salaries. I think, Sir, therefore, I sin warranted in saying that much disappointment will be felt in every district of the country at the siletwo which prevails in his Majesty's speech on the subs, I am therefore anxious that his Majesty's Ministers, l aefore this debate is concluded, should take an opportunity of stating whether they have any intention., and what, as regards the reduction, change, or substitution of taxes. The Hon. Member, I believe, for Worcester, has given notice of a motion on the subject of a property tax, but I do not think that the question of the reduction or change of taxation should be left to any individual ; it ought, indeed, to come before his Majesty's Ministers. I cannot, therefore, but express my deep regret that all allu sion to so important a subject should have been altogether omitted in his Majesty's speech. Sir, from the experi ence which I have had in these matters, I know, that when things were prosperous—whenever there was the least probability of relief, or of an intentioaa to grant any relief, from the great burden of taxation that pressed upon the people, an intimatio n t o that effect was to be found in the speech, and 1 take this opportunity of saying, that I am now convinced more than ever of the truth of the maxim laid down by the late venerable, and, I hope, venerated man, Jeremy Ben, thaw, that no Gevernment will ever yield one shil ling to the people, unless the people exert themselves, and call on them until, in fact, the ruling few are made a little uneasy in their situations, and are obliged to yield. Sir, I will state candidly that when applications have been made to the whether Parliament should be petitioned on these subjects, my answer was that, before the King's speech was delivered and the explanation of Ministers received, it would not be right to embarrass the Government. But if the Noble Lord opposite thinks that because the people have been quiescent, because they have not been clamorous for relief, it is owing entirely to their indifference, he will find he is much mistaken, and that their silence only arose from the confidence in those Ministers who bad done so much for Reform that they would be anxious to follow up that great measure with °their. Reform for practical relief. Without these, tt l hh ee h m o c p . o e n , fiT,he en therefo re . ee,. Noble which L t h h o a a r vd t e Ministers : t d,t e .e t; : s cin: nb d n o i itontintendhave e a f tti ignorant, reposed po t for : saeenii justify frequent deputations the metropolis, and throughout the country, r e l at i ve to those most partial, onerous, and unjust taxes—the house and window taxes. Ido not object to the house tax because it