The Sun. — London, England, 1863-09-23 00:00:00

INDON, WEDNESDAY EVENING, SEPIIIMBER 22, 1863. TEE AMERICAN WAR, A oroweled meeting was held on Monday night in the Mush :quail at Leeds, in support of the cause of emancipa tion in „ America, and the neutral policy of the British Go vernrr at. The presence of Mr. Forster, M.P. (who pres sided) a, and of the Rev. W. H. Channing, from the United Stat. s, ;imparted an additional interest to the proceedings, whit were of the most unanimous and enthusiastic charac ter.. There were also present on the platform the Rev. G. IV.. Conder, _Rev. John Adcock, Rev. George Mather, Dr. Greenhow, rdr. John Jewitt, Mr. Joseph Lupton, Mr. T. 13, Baines, ';lr. Alderman Carter, Mr. Councillor Tatham, Mr. Councrilor Nichols, Mr. W. Brown, Mr. Thompson, lir. J. W. Smith, Mr. Harvey, Mr. Da%id Green, Mr. J. Andrew, and many other friends of the slave. Mr. J. leurros, in proposing that Mr. Forster should occupy the chair, stated that but for another engagemen . the letayor wou ld h ave be e n present and occupied that pose flora. "(Applause.) at. W. BROWN seconded the resolution, which was car. , lied with acclamation. he CHAIRMAN was received with enthusiastic cheering, an' 1 after a few introductory remarks referring to the mis ur .derstanding which existed upon the question of the pre af :nt struggle, and of the fear that another evil might be a dded to it leading to a difference between England and America, he said—Just allow me to say one cr two words upon this misunderstanding in both countries. First, as refsards ourselves. I think that a great deal of ill-feeling --which I am sorry to see—exists in America, arising from a consciousness, and in som e measure a right-founded con sciousness, on their part, th a t we m i sconceive this great struggle in its very principle and in its foundation, and that we have, if I may so speak, underrated it. (Hear, hear.) Ido not mean that we underrate it in point of the numbers engaged in it. We [are quite im- Tressed . with the tremendous extent on which the war is carried on. In point of numbers it is greater than almost any other civil war in any age. (Hear, hear.) We ate aware also of the immense sufferings which it has caused in America, and which it has caused also in our own coun try) and we are aware of the tremendous loss of life and money; but many of us, I regret to say, are not alive to the - tremendous importance of the principle which is at stake, which is, if I may pat it in just one sentence, simply this, whether upon the continent of America the principle of slavery or the principle of freedom shall predominate. (Cheers.) Now, look back at history, and can you put your finger upon any war that was ever carried on in which a greater question was at stake than that? (Cheers.) Many persons say, "It is no use going to hear you; you are a strong Federalist." In answer to that I may say that I am not in every sense a Federalist. (Hear, hear.) lam not Mind to the faults of the north. (Hear.) lam not blind to :the inconsistency with which this war has been carried on, nor am I blind to the words which some of the statesmen and many of the papers have used towards this country. (Hear.) But I still remember this, that they are, many of them, it is true, quite unconsciously, yet that they are, fighting --and cannot help fighting the battle for freedom—. against the Southern Confederacy, who, avowedly and de terminedly, and without any attempt at concealment, are fighting the battle of slavery. They tell rue lam fanatical 'upon this question. Ido not feel that I owe an apology to an English audience for being fanatical on the ques tion of slavery. (Hear, hear.) As to whether there shall be liberty in this world is a question upon which no man can be fanatical. (Hear.) Of all political questions which can be brought forward—l will saynothing of philanthropic considerations—this question of freedom from slavery is the most important. (Ch eers. ) T here are men— l con f ess it fills one with wonder and surprise—men who have done good service to the Liberal cause in past times, who have fought hard for th a t cause, yet w h o pro f ess th a t it is fanaticism to care whether slavery shall or shall not rule over the conti nent of Americ a . Th e y go so far as to say that it is possible that there can be political liberty where there is domestic slavery. Now, I say that is a great mistake. (Cheers.) If men would learn the very alphabet of freedom they would see that wherever there is domestic slavery, wherever the first political right—a right even above and b eyon d all po litics—the right of man to the disposal of his own body and the government of his own soul—(cheers)— w h ore that is denied by the law, political liberty is not safe. (Cheers.) If it be possessed by the master class, that class cannot keep it in safety, and the very words "political liberty" are a farce an i a delusion. (Cheers.) History proves that it was because the old Republicans of Rome allowed themselves to be cor rupted into domestic sl avery th at the master class lost their own liberty—(hear) —and we find that in the South where the slavehold er h a d power —to use Carlyle's expression —to hire their negro fell ow - countrymen for life—not merely hir ing their labour, but hiring the chastity of the women and the souls and brains of the men—that is to do what they would with that honour, mind, brain, and soul—when they did that to one class they at the same time deprived their white fellow-citizens of the freedom of speech, the freedom of the press, and almost of thefreedomof thought. (Cheers.) There is no more true fact than this, and I do not care if I am again charged with fanaticism for repeating it, that if you look at this question calmly and philosophically, you will find that when the system of domestic slavery is once admitted in any social fabric whatever, it so fastens itself upon its framework that it is utterly impossible that it can live in peace with it unless it masters it. (Hear, hear.) It must master it, or it will go to war with it, and strive to break it up. (Hear, hear.) That was the case in America. Three years ago I looked forward to the future of the United States with fear and trembling. I did not know what punishment God would inflict upon them for having connived at this sin of slavery, (Hear, hear.) Every one saw that that slave-power had been first stealthily and then openly endeavoured to master the Union, and to use every power in the Union for the extension of slavery; that it hung upon the balance whether the great Republic of Ame rica was to be a great Power, for the spread of freedom, as we in England had hoped, or for the spread of slavery and its extension and perpetuation throughout the world, whether the whites of America themselves would not lose their freedom in selling themselves to the slaveholders of the South. (Applause.) The freemen of the North took fright; they found out what was going on. They said, " This is no mere negro question, it is no mere philan• thropic question" and it would have been well for them and for their country if they had felt more strongly the philan thropic part of the question, and the just claims of the negro ; but at least they saw the danger to their country, and said, " We will not allow this slave-power to go on in creasing; we will make head against it, we will take care that it does not rule us." (Cheers.) What followed ? The slaveholders, finding that they could no longer wield the American commonwealth to support the system of slavery, said, " We will break up and destroy the Union, and set up a Confederacy of our own." The men of the North, the patriots of the Union, said, " We will not submit to that ;" and we, many of us ia England, who were utterly reckless of money or life when we thought Russia merely threatened to stop the communication with our Eastern possessions— who were still more reckless of money and life to preserve our empire in India—when we know that there is scarcely one of us in this country, of any party, who would not, if it came to the dire alternative, use every power he possessed to keep Ireland as a sister country in union with England —yet we who know that we have this patriotic feeling and would undergo the greatest sacrifices before we would allow our country to be cut to pieces or diminished, or to become a weak Power rather than a strong Power—we complained of the North Americans and said to them, " You have entered upon a wicked war," because they would not allow the slavehulders of the South, in order to perpetuate and extend slavery, to break up their country, and make it a divided, a weak, and almost powerless country instead of a great and powerful one. (Loud cheers.) I say this, that I will give many of those who argue thus the credit that if the same result or anything like it was upon the issue in England they would be as foremost in desiring to prevent their country from being destroyed as the moat ardent and fierce Northerner at this moment. (Hear, hear.) That is the way in which this dreadful war has come to Pass. I mourn over that war ; I lament it. I also think it a wicked war, but I charge the wickedness upon those who began the war in the worst of all possible causes. (Cheers.) lam willing to allow that even with them—for a strange thing is human nature—some of them may have forced themselves into the belief that they were in a good cause. I don't pretend to deny the valour of the men of the South; I will not deny that th e y in this war, I will have shown many fine qualities go even further, and say that it is very difficult for men, even in a bad cause, to have submitted to the sacrifices and self-denial which many men in the South have undergone, without taming out of it purified and better th a n when they went in. But while that is the case, I cannot forget upon which side the right is. (Hear, hear.) Though I lament more than I can speak the suffering which is the result of this war, and the crimes which have been committed on both sides, from the Presence of an influential. American I cannot but say it would be well if the public opinion of America were raised more straggly against the atrocities committed in the Northern States as well as in the Southern. (Hear, hear.) lam well aware that in a tre mendous crisis like this there are str ong ter ePtations,and that even Ch r i s ti an an d pa t r iotic people find it difficult to prevent war being carried on other than with that ferocity which, more or less always accompanies war ; still, great as are the temptations, Christians must not forget their duty. Nevertheless, I say, much as we lament this war, its sufferings and crimes, I do rejoice at what we may now hope will be the result of it. (Applause.) After many changes up and down —after it had appeared as if this s lave power would be victorious and triumphant, and that we should, in this 19th Century, see successful the attempt to raise a great new fabric, whose corner stone was slavery —(and such an attempt to retard the course of progress has not been attempted since Julian attempted to stop the progress of Christianity)—at last a change has come. Look for a moment at what would have been the case it' the slave power had sum:Tied, and we had been left to Mr. Glad stone's hope, that in its success would be its failure. I be lieve there would eventually have been a failure if the South had been triumphant. They would have raised agai ns t t h em the public opinion of the world, and freedom would have been triumphant evt'nfthelly. because there is a God th at rules the world and not a devil. (Loud cheers-) But ter rible as is now the contest it would then have been oven more terrible, for the slave power would have been strong er , and now that the contest has come, I rejoice that we can foresee this result, that, whatever else conies out of it— whether a restored union, which does not now Peem impoe• Bible, or a subordinate, hemmed up, weak, slave-holding republic in the cotton States, this, at least, is certain—the dream of the slaveholders of a slave empire has disappeared, and out of the war we shall get this compensation, that on the continent of America the power and principles of free dom will rule, and not the power and principles of slavery. I think it just arises from our losing sight of the question at issue that we have treated this American struggle in a manner which has not unnaturally excited ill feeling in that country, and I think the more we can hear from intelligent Americans who understand our country as well as their own, and who can tell ut facts upon this American struggle, the more we shall be able to get to a good understanding of it, and therefore to remove that ill-feeling. (Hear.) I have now, what I scarc e ly ever had before, the opportunity of speaking to an American, and Mr. Charming must allow me to say a word or two to him, and through him to some of his countrymen. It may be that Englishmen do not quite understand the feeling of the Americans, and I think in America also there is some m isconception and misunderstand ing of the action of England. There is a feeling in America if we may jud ge by the papers and the statements of the leading men, that England has done them a wrong, an actual and positive wrong, which it is their business, almost their duty, to revenge when they have the opportunity. I say that is not the case. I dont mean that there have not been men in Eng land who have taken the side of the South. There have been many, especially in what are called the upper classes, but, after all, it is not for the speeches of men, even if they have " hon." or " noble" stuck before their names, that the coun try must be responsible, nor is it for writing in newspapers we must be held responsible. Mr. Channing would not like me to make him or his country responsible for the writ ing of the New York Herald. (Laughter.) I don't compare the IVew York Herald to the Times or Morning Herald — but I say the Americans should not make us responsible for anything written in the Times or Morning Herald. (Hear.) All we ought to be judged by is the action of the country, and as far as the action of the country is concerned—so far as we have acted in a national capacity, the Americans have little or no reason to find fault, and that is what they ought to bear in mind. (Hear.) They ought also to remember, when their hearts rankle at any expression made by many of the upper classes of the country, how their cause has been_ viewed by the g r e a t masses o f th e peop l e . (Hear.) For every nobleman, for every man who has a title before his name who has taken the side of the South, there have been 10, 20, and even 100 hardworking men who have taken the side of the North and freedom. (Cheers.) And they have done so with every temptation and every inducement brought to bear upon them to take the other side. They have been told by ingenious men (I will not say sent for the purpose) that their sufferings--and many of them have suffered deeply—have been caused by this war, and that the war has been caused by the action of the Federals ; and yet such has been their instinctive feeling — they know what liberty is—and ill will it be for England when the working men forget what liberty is—such has been theirinstinctive feel. ing that they have refused to be misled, and I do sa y it will be ungenerous of America to remember anything against England, when we can point to that large meet ing of the half starving working men of Manchester in the Free Trade Hall—(cheers)—when they took the lead in saying—" No matter what the sufferings we may endure, no matter what the sacrifices we may have to undergo, we will not allow o ur G overnment to de part from the strict principle of neutrality on behalf of the slaveholding Confederacy." (L ou d app l ause.) Mr. Chan ning and his friends must also recollect that although there may have been expressions—talk in favour of the South, there has been no acti on . Th ere has been talk in the House of Commons in its favour. I have felt, when in advocating a neutral policy I stated what I conceived to be the just claims of the North, I had not got the feeling of the House on my side; but, on the other hand, if any one tried to get the House of Commons to press upon the Government to depart from the principles of neutrality and adopt the side of the South, the common sense of the House was proved to be against him. (Hear, hear.) I say, therefore, to the Americans, as wise men, you must pay little attention to mere talk or mere writing, you must go by actions, and, judging them, we as a nation have done nothing against you. On the contrary, I say, to the credit of our Govern ment—and not merely to the credit of the leaders of the Whig party, but also to the credit of the leaders of the Tory party, and to Lord Derby especially, who in his speech against recognition at the beginning of the Session laid down in language which it was impossible could fail to in fluence his party, that any premature recognition would be a breach of international law—it is, thanks to the action of the leaders of both parties, that our Government has resisted the notoriously strong pressure on the part of France to depart from strict neutrality and recognise the South—(cheers)—and, therefore, instead of complain ing of us, the Americans should remember that, as a nation, we have in that matter stood their friends. We have done no more than we ought to have done, but there is no doubt of it that we had our powerful and influential ally pressing us to recognise the South, and our Government refused to do it. (Hear, hear.) lam well aware there is one matter in which we may appear to have departed from this neutrality, and that is in the sailing of the Alabama. That again was not the act of the Government. I think Earl Russell was caught napping--(laughter)—but I know he did not wish her to go out, and has done his utmost to prevent any others following her. I want to say a word or two on this shipping question. Let us forget that we are an anti-slavery meeting, and look at this purely as affect ing England's interests. I say that as a great maritime nation—the greatest commercial nation in the world—it is to our interests more than to those of any other nation that it should not be international law that ships may sail out of neutral ports to aid in belligerent operations such as the Alabama has engaged in, and which those two steam rams would do if they were not stopped. (Cheers.) I will just put a case in point. We had a war lately with Russia, and sent out the best fleet we couli man under the best Admi ral we could find, to Cronstadt. Why did we do so ? It was not that we supposed that the fleet could batter down that fort. We also knew that in blockading Cronstadt we could net starve the trade of Russia, because it would only be a question of cost, and merchandise would be sent through Prussia by railway. But why we sent the fleet was that we wanted to make our own trade and commerce safe through out the world, and we said, " We will seal up the port of Cronstadt to prevent the Russian privateers and ships of war going out and destroying oar commerce." If we were to allow Alabamas to be the rule of international law for the future, such a course would have been a pure waste of money, because, instead of sending out privateers from Cronstadt, Russia could tend them from New York, Phila delphia, Hamburg, Havre, or any other port in the world. If we allow this to become international law the result will be that whenever we carry on war we shall be obliged to do one of two things--either to blockade every large port of every nation in the world, as well as the ports of the nation with which we aro at war, or else to give up our commercial trade and sail our marine under the flags of other nations. There never was a case in which our interests was more clear than it is to have this stopped, and my great anxiety is lest this war should come to an end (which I trust it will do soon) before we have undone any harm which may have been done by our letting the Alabama go out; for, if we do not, depend upon it other countries will take advantage and use our own precedent against us. (Hear, hear.) lam glad that there is so large a meeting ; and I hope you will do your best to strengthen the neutral policy of the Government on this question of ships. I do not deny that there are difficulties, which I wish Mr. Channing to remember, and this is the great difficulty, that we have always felt it a point of honour not to alter our laws at the dictation of any foreign country, and although we see that we must make this matter plain for our own interests it is not an easy thing to do, but it is so eviden that I feel persuaded the common sense of the country will insist upon it. (Hear.) Some people say, " What is the _ . difference between sending out a ship of war and sending out cannon and muskets f" I don't mean to say that we should supply belligerents with muskets ; but in this case both sides have got them. Bat cannon and muskets cannot be used for belligerent purposes until they get into the hands of the belligerents, and whatever quantity of cannon or muskets are supplied, either to the Federals or the Confederates, they are useless until they get on to Federal or Confederate territory. Consequently, the one belligerent Government has the chance of stopping, by blockading the ports of the other belligerent, and he may say if material of war enters it is their fault from want of power or activity to stop it. But they cannot guard thus against ships, because they never go into the ports, and if a neutral supplies such ships he is taking part in the war, and the only possible way in which the belligerents can stop this is by going to war with the neutral. What we have to aim at, therefore, is to prevent our subjects sending out from our ports armaments which are to be used for belligerent pur poses before they go into a belligerent port. That is the problem our lawmakers have to solve, and which the com mon sense and interest of the country will compel them to solve. (Hear.) I trust you will strengthen the hands of the Government in that matter. Efforts have been made to secure a premature recognition ; they have been fruitless, and very much owing to the stand which Lord Derby and others took in the early part of the session. But another effort is making, not so much in England as by our great ally the Emperor. We have hitherto avoided interference against all sorts of temptations ; don't let us be dragged into it to serve the purposes of the French Emperor. (Cheers.) To use homely language he has got into a mess with his expedition to Mexico. (Hear.) lam sorry we had anything to do with that Mexican business, but we had the aenee to draw out very quickly. (Hear.) He went on with it, believing what was said in many quarters, that the Con federates wer e sure t o succeed. It now appears by no means certain that the Confederates will succeed, and he finds him self with the new Mexican Empire cn his back, does not know how to bear the load, and wants to shove the burden on the English peopl e . ( L aughter.) Don't let us take any part cf that burden, (Cheers.) l am no a d vocate of the Monroe doctrine, and think th e y h ave uttered a great deal of nonsense in America respecting it, but it is no business of ours supp ort the E mperor in his Mexican e nq in e it is ls nothing to else. A s to the declaration of the Mexican people v for n that they desire a chang e of government, it is only a declaration of a few of the peopl e a f ra id o f t h e French bayonets, (Hear) I see it stated, t h ough I hope we shall h a v e an e xplanation from Government, that we have something to do with pressing the Archduke Maxi milieu to put hi mse lf i n the position of bec om i ng a French p ens ioned Emperor in 31.exico, If an Austrian Archduke has not got that sense of family pride which would prevent his accepting the rule of a people by the help of the great rival of his family, don't let him hereafter be able to say, "You induced me to put myself in this false position." The fact is, that the Emperor of the French knows that when this war is ended he will find it difficult to keep up his power over Mexico, unless he has a Southern Confederacy between himself and the Union; so he starts a new idea for which he wants the French people to go to war. This idea, as it is expressed in a publication I purchased in Paris, and which is supposed to be written partly from his inspiration, is "to counterbalance the Anglo-Saxon race, and give the Latin race their chance upon the con tinent of America." (Laughter.) That may be a fantastic or a reasonable idea, but it is an idea for which we are not going to lose any money or blood to carry it out in Mexico. Therefore I say, if there be, as I believe there are, attempts at this moment by the Emperor of the French to induce us now, even at the last hour, to recognise the South, there never was a clearer case than that our Government, which has preserved neutrality until this moment, should not be dragged into it by French intrigue to suit French purposes. (The hon. gentleman sat down amid loud cheers.) Mr. T. B. BAINES moved, and the Rev. G. MATHER seconded the first resolution, as follows : " That in the measures of the Federal Government in relation to the negro race, and in the rapid spread and growth of anti-slavery feeling in most parts of the Northern States, this meeting cannot but recognise the fact that the present calamitous war, begun by the slaveholders to per petuate and extend slavery, is being overruled by Divine Providence for its destruction." The Rev. W. H. CHANNING, on rising to support the motion, et as received with loud cheers. He observed that when the echo of their response to the powerful arguments and earnest appeals of the speakers who had addressed them was heard in the United States—and it would be heard— (hear, hear)—the question would come, why is not this response universal throughout Great Britain? This was the wonder of wonders to them in America, and the cause, he believed, was that touched upon by the chairman—viz., the misunderstanding of this controversy. He was anxious, in all kindness, to free their minds from the fog of prejudice, and to show them how they had been misled and bewil dered by the sophistries of those who desired to deceive them. In order to illustrate this portion of his argument, he referred to certain statements in the Index, the slave holders' organ in England, in which it was denied that the late J. B. Floyd had done anything to encourage seces sion or betrayed the Union, and contrasted it with the speeches of men in the South who affirmed that the Con federacy could hardly ever repay the debt they owed to him. Adverting to the remarks of the chairman con demning the cruelties of the North in conducting warlike operations, he asserted that there was no war in history which had been conducted with a greater effort to make it as humane as possible than the war that had been re luctantly forced upon the unwilling people of the North, and that there was a prevalent feeling in the people and Governnient of the Northern States to temper its horrors to the utmost, to wipe them away instantly, to gladden the whole South with restored peace and prosperity, to raise up her down-fallen people, and to clasp them to their breast once more, in spite of their cruelties and atrocities, as brethren. (Applause.) He did not often quote the Times—(laaghter)—but in confirmation of his statement he read an extract from the letter of Charles Mackay, the New York correspondent of that journal, in which he admitted that the Northerners had conducted hostilities in the most "chivalrous spirit." Nothing but the sternest truth would have extorted that from Charles Mackay or the London Times. (Applause.) He replied to the alle gation that the secession arose from dissatisfaction with the tariffs, and showed by the votes given that the South themselves, and not the North, con s tituted the majority in favour of these tariffs. He had the votes for the tariff of 1857, never changed until after the secession. In the . House of Representatives, answer i ng t o th e House of Commons, the Northern votes in favour of the tariff were 60, against it 65. The Southern votes in favour of it were 63, or three more than the Northern votes. What was the vote in the Senate, corresponding to the House of Lords in England ? The votes in favour given by the North were 14, and by the South in favour 19. The com bined votes of the South were 82, and of the North 74. Never again let them hear that it was the tariff which was the cause of secession. The rev. gentleman then re plied to another objection—viz., that their armies were mixed and foreigners. In the army of one State of 26,000 teen, 21,000 were native New Englanders and native Westerners. (Hear, hear.) For every wounded foreigner he had seen in the American army he had seen ten natives. He had asked an Englishman who had been wounded while fighting in the American army why he had joined the service, and he replied " Why, sir, I came to strike a blow for freedom," (Cheers.) There were also in the American army noble-hearted and generous sons of Ireland, and Germans, and Frenchmen, and their desire was to strike a blow for liberty—(hear, hear)—and he thought the notion that the sentiment which actuated those brave men was not universal arose from misconception. (Hear.) The war was the result of a carefully prepared conspiracy by a slaveholding oligarchy. (Applause.) The civil war was nothing in its conception,and had been nothing in its career, but a conspiracy by a slaveholding oligarchy to trample under their feet the most glorious republic which humanity had ever seen, on which rested the blessing and hope of Providence. (Applause,) They wished to break away from the United States in order to establish a vast slave empire, holding the great lines of communication be tween the Atlantic and the Pacific Ocean, which should enable them to dictate terms to the commercial world. They meant to overlap and to convert the free republic into a slave empire, (Applause.) The argument which they used was this, that inasmuch as the constitution recognized the representation of three fifths of the slaves, therefore the constitution itself recognized slavery, and the constitut on carried slavery with it wherever it went. Wherever the constitution spread, there, under its mighty dome, slavery was constitutionally established. (Hear, hear.) They did not simply assert this, but went on to say that constitu tionally established slavery was the common law of the land. He was not exaggerating, but was merely repeating their own words; and that was not enough, but they claimed the right to protect property in slaves, just as the people of England would protect property in horses or mules. (Hear.) Finally, they carried the question to the Supreme Court, and there obtained a declaration from a man who was a shame to his position—the Chief Justice of the United States —that the negro had no right which the white man could not overrule. The consequence of that was that free dom was gone everywhere. They had not one single inch of free territory. The slaveholder had simply to take his slaves into New York, Massachusetts, or Maine, and sell them as beasts of burden. They were free men no more, but were all slaves together, and yet the citizens of Great Britain wondered why they did not let them go. (Applause.) Let whom go ? (Hear, hear.) Did they mean let freedom go ? that they should banish and cast aside as nothing worth those liberties which had been handed down to them ? that they should put their necks under the feet of the tyrant of the South and say, "It is constitutional ? " That was out of the question, (Applause.) The war was a struggle to preserve the life of the nation by preserving the integrity of the nation as a free united republic, for the question was, a universal slave empire on a universal free empire. (Hear, hear.) The Emancipation Proclamation of President Lincoln was an honourable and proper proceed ing. If ever there was a noble and generous offer, it was contained in that proclamation. (Hear, hear.) All who knew President Lincoln, all who had known him from his boyhood, who had known him as President of the United States, knew that he fully deserved the sobriquet that had been applied to him, "There goes old Honesty." (Cheers.) He was a simple-hearted and a simple-minded man, who zealously wished to be the organ and representative of the popular will, to be the people's sovereign, and nothing else, and when it was demanded from him that he should destroy the property of the rebels, he issued his emancipation pro clamation. (Applause.) That proclamation had been a most effective instrument. (Hear) Wherever it had gone it had at once quickened the hearts of that long-suffering, long patiently -waiting race, who had believed in the power of the republic to break their chains. (Applause,) He or cotton w e rr e e s gladlybore testimony to th e no bl e qua li ties exhibited by the emancipated slaves. N ever did h e b elieve in the possibility of the combi nat i on of so much intelligence and simple h h s bee s s ai rn. g) h e wlo h nr a k d teha f e o b u vya d fl ree i n ye otnfhetaghtreo n d l s p i s r t o shi s pe t r p p a i r t 7 e d o es, peeoa;tee g ( 0 . duction f and sugar, and i n p l ace of the liberated slaves being an indolent and dep en d ent race, t h ey were e verywhere active and en erget i c, and ready to take their place among ci v ili se d men. (Applause.) Those slaves who had become fre e an d had joined the army, were conspicuous for their h ero i sm, as if they were anxious, even by the sacrifice of their own li ves, to secure the freedom plantationsloodane which was being purchased for them. (Applause.) If he had time he could trace the results of the policy of the Federal Government, but he would merely say that the war was gradually tending towards a successful close. (Hear, hear,) He wished to express that feeling temperately, for fhe told them all he thought and felt on the matter they would say he was rather w ild and enthusiastic. He had by him facts which went to show what had been the im mense pins of the Union army, and ho thought those facts onght to satisfy any man that the war could not end but in one way, and that was in the complete success of the Union army. (Hear, hear.) The C onfederates claimed at first 1,200,000 square miles. That was so on re d uce d to 887,000 square miles, and now it was reduced to 335,000. The Con federates originally claimed 121 millions of people under the sway of oligarchic rule, and that number was now re duced to little more than five millions, and of that num ber nearly one-half were slaves. (Applause.) If they could look at the territory which had been reclaimed, they would see that the Confederacy was now reduced merely to a portion of Virginia, just the corner touching upon Ten nessee, embracing North Carolina, which was actually trembling in the balance at that moment, resisting the conscription and longing to return; the inlends of Georgia and Alabama were entirely with the North. Mississippi and Charleston were practically recovered, and Mobile taken, and it seemed to him with all their courage and indomitable resolution—which he granted as earnestly and as readily as any friend of the Secession—in epite of all that the South must see that their cause was gone, and that it was entirely useless any more to struggle, (Cheers.) It was said that, nevertheless, it was poseiblo to make a boundary line. (Hear.) Where would they make it ? It was not a question of State lines at all—(hear, bear)—it was a question simply of highlands and lowlands ; a ques tion of the planting interest against the farming interest. It would be easy to prove that Secession had been entirely in proportion to the prevalence of slavery, and that being so, how could they draw a boundary line ? (Hear, hear.) They might think him a rash prophet ; but peace was spreading over the continent of America, and on that bow of promise sat a glorified angel of God—universal liberty. (Loud cheering.) The proposition was carried amid great cheering. Alderman CARTER moved the second resolution, as fol lows :—‘fhat this meeting most strongly condemns the building and equipment of ships of war in British ports, to be employed against a nation with which this country is at peace, and especially if emp l oyed in support of a Slave holding Confederacy, as calculated to embroil Great Britain in war with a friendly Power —and as strongly approves of the action of the British Government in detaining such vessels from their mischievous destination, and declares its determination to support the Government in the neutral policy it has hitherto pursued in relation to this war amongst our American kinsmen." Councillor TATHAM seconded the proposition, and it was carried. It was moved by Councillor NICHOLS, seconded by the Rev. JOHN ADCOCK and carried, that the foregoing resolu tions should be signed by the chairman, and forwarded to Earl Russell on behalf of the enacting. On the motion of Mr. J. LunoN, seconded by Councillor THOMPSON, a cor dial vote of thanks was carried to the Rev. W. H. Chan ning for his eloquent and instructive address. In re ponding, The Rev. Mr. CHANNING said that a strange delusion had taken possession of the minds of the people in this country in reference to President Lincoln's right hand man —Mr. Seward. It was said that Mr. Seward was wishing to create a war with England ; but that was not the case. (Hear.) Mr. Seward had himself said—" The policy of the American people is the policy of peace at home, peace abroad, peace with all nations; the policy of freedom for ourselves, and in extending the empire in a manner to be conducive to the ultimate freedom of all classes and condi tions of men. (Hear, hear.) Whoever shall wage war against the American people will find themselves obliged not only to commit the first wrong, but to become when they enter the contest, the enemies not only of order, peace, and progress on the continent, but of human nature itself." (Applause.) Before sitting down he had great pleasure in proposing a vote of thanks to the chairman. (Cheers.) He (the chairman) had once more been a peace maker, and a peace-keeper between two great peoples. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Forster was the first, as far as he was aware, to lift up his voice in Parliament against the recognition of the slave oli garchy, and his name was cherished in America with the dearest affection and respect. (Cheers.) He assured Mr. Forster that if he would, when the war was over, go to America, and take with him John Bright on his right hand and Richard Cobden o n hi s l e ft, he would receive a most determined and earn es t we l com e. (Cheers.) The proposition was seconded by Mr. ANDREWS, and carried amid reiterated cheers, The CHAIRMAN, in responding, said that while he was obliged to them for the kind manner in which they had re ceived him, which after all was no new thing—(laughter) —he was still more obliged to them for having gone to that meeting, and for having enabled it to be such a suc cess. That meeting had been a greater success than most anti-slavery meetings, for it had been just such a meeting as was likely to create a good feeling between this country and America. (Applause.) Although upon questions like that some of them might have rather up-hill work sometimes in the House of Commons, yet ha should always feel that they had something behind them. (Cheers.) He should feel that he had only to come back to Yorkshire in order to obtain that support which would make even his poor words of some weight in the House of Commons. (Cheers.) The Chinese and their Prisoners, (From the Gazette of last evening.) FOREIGN OFFICE, SEPT. 22. A despatch, of which the following is an extract, from Major. General Brown, commanding the British troops in China, has been communicated to Lord Russell by the Secretary of State for War : " Various statements having appeared in the several journals published at Shanghai, concerning the treatment of rebel prisoners, and alleged torture of some few taken at the capture of Taitsan, I have the honour to state, that a report was made to me by Capt. Murray, R. A., command ing a Field Force in support of the attack on Taitsan, soon after his return to headquarters, of the Imperialists' cruel treatment of their prisoners. "I took the report to her Britannic Majesty's Consul (Harvey) without delay, and expressed my desire that the Foutai should be informed of the same, sad to urge upon him to send out an order at once to all his mandarins in command, forbidding any cruelty to be exercised upon cap. tured prisoners ; and further, if any report was again made to me of a similar nature, I would cease to act with his troops. Lieut. 8.. Cane, R.A., who has been six years in China, and has some knowledge of the Chinese languag e and customs, was the firs:. who reported the circumstance to Captain Murray, and the letter of the forme r officer, called for by me for report, is here annexed, and d e .. tails, I think, everything most clearly. " I have no reason to believe otherwise than that the Fontai is equally anxious to be as humane as possible to hi s prisoners; some hundreds were lately cap tured at Quang. san, and so far from being cruelly or seve rel y de alt with, have a c tu a lly, to a greet extent, been inco r porated by Major Gordon into his own regiment ; and I hav e a l so asked for some to be sent down to me fro m Q aa ng.ean t o be drilled with, and attached to, the bat teries o f Chines e artielelerr commanding Lascars,ynßoyal Artillery,whe reports them moat which are under the command of th e officer useful and efficient. -Ban, an d arf also his le n byt attack m one somecl drilled Major gun Gordon Lao a wasa onangof these fifty attention speaks m t o o s t . eye highly w i t n o e f a s them. I have who w would , allow the public to beli ev e that me n under g oi ng ext reme statement, noonly actually to draw torture, such as he describes, with various Wounds, f rom whence issued copious streams of blood, and could not only exist from 11 a.m. till sunset, but then to be able to be led out for execution, leaving one to suppose that he was p re .. sent the editor, in sent the whole time ;his remarks on the bishop's letter, to remove any apprehension as to the non-influence of British officers who were on the spot, states that the treatm ent the p risoner s were under going, was only discovered ten minutes before their execu tion. This alone, I B oma, stamps the whole statement as highly coloured and greatly exaggerated." Inclosure. inform fCaptain A. Murray' irquiry o the Major-General June 11, 1863. command of of that day I was taking Sir.—ln reply to the irquiry ra to zado Com manding I have theyou that on May 3, unit' dtehre e a our Sahfttaenngani. 1863, I was present at I Y ik°n . st itc, as Acting Field Ad lm'setn,stloctkhado d i n k seven or eight, j ß u o t y an al t A to rt a ill f e o r r y c . e several other a walk for exercise, with officers, along the passing between they were Changman pri soners,Tio.itng-sund, and in ' was attracted by t m w a o in l r m o p a e d ri t e ow i towards a number of naked and tied to . —N, a nd with th e rebels of long standing/Which very peculiar com plexion•have been frequently posts a o ll n w a i P t P h r° N a re c r h Y illj; bunair. (showing and physiognaa l ' who that they were no ticed as acquired by me n have spent much time among the Taepings. These men had evi dentl y bee n sentenced to th e punish ment of the " Ling-ob e t " )1. " 81 ow and ignominious death," f h o a r d in a of f piece this horrible punishment of skin, not flesh, about caa w anl herdora carried dvt w til e odeue c i nnta.tlol thatr' Each c ta u he t t hah t n i or anya had been spared as much as possible, g into a th ousand pieces, " and it was the PM from one arm and hang ifnourg d i o n w ch n e , sby w and one o, had been pushed (ap parently not shot) thr ot gh the ski n i n diff e rent pl aces . There was very little b lood about th e groun d, an d th e men did not appear to be in P ain ; one w as cr yi ng o ut ver y l ou dly that he was a Shangh ai Co olie and ou g ht not to b e p u t t o death as a rebel; he had ho wever very long hair. I asked a low Chinese officer present what they were, he told me they wer e old and well -k nown rebels, two of them officers, and they were about to informed : a te usual manner, except that the sword tl I gathered that decapitation be behe a d e d ; h e sa id th a t th ey h a d b een exposed from mid - day (it was a b ou t h a lf- pas t f our or five o'clock p.m. , w hen I sAv e th em ) . At th e same t i me I to superintend the execution, and not being anxio us to Witne ss th e s p ec t ac l e , w hi c h I h a d often seen I before, wit hdrew. From what other officers who wasaaw an official approaching. performed employed was bl unt; and the executioner inexpert. I saw no other signs of torture whatever, and considered t h a t these men were, taking into account Chinese law and cus t om s, rather mercif ully dealt with. A dead Changman l a y some distance off, w h o had been treated in a similiar remained o tonce i manne r to the other, i n addition a slight incision had been ma de from his breast t o his groin, but, from the absence of bl o od, I think this was clew after death. On m y return to Waikong I reported what I had seen to Captain Murray, commanding, who desired me to visit the camp next morning, and to take notice of the occurrence, which I did by mentioning it to a fourth rank military field officer, the senior in the camp. I told him we English did not like such punishments; that if a man deserved death we executed him at once, and did not expose or mutilate hi m . I expressed general disapproval of what had been 'done, and said the English commanding officer was much displeased at it, and, if anything of the sort was attempted again, would march up and put a stop to it ; and that I hoped it would not again occur during our stay. He replied that he did not himself approve of it, but that I must recollect that a large number of the rebel prisoners taken at Taitsan had been pardoned by the High Imperial officers, permitted to shave their heads, and employed as soldiers or labourers; and that it was not possible to restrain the Imperial sol diers from taking some vengeance for the treatment which the i ebels had inflicted on 300 or more of their comrades, who had been entrapped into Taitsan on a false promise of the surrender of the place. These men, he said, were almost all put to death, and very many of them had their " bodies wounded, and cotton put over their wounds and set on fire," and were otherwise badly tortured, (This I understand was really the case.) He added that the Chinese General officer then in command at Waikongsum- Kwoh Ta jin was mercifully inclined, and anxious not to be severe with the rebel soldiers, many of whom had been carried away forcibly, and compelled to serve in the ranks of the Taepings.—l have, &c., (Signed) ROBERT EMMET CANE, Lieutenant, Royal Artillery. The Deputy-Assistant-Adjutant-General, Shanghai. N. 8.-1,100 men were sent up to take possession of Tait san by the Foutai. They were entrapped, and out of the number only some 300 were rescued by Major Gordon on the fall of Taitsan. 350 are known to have been beheaded a few days before the capture, and the remainder are still unaccounted for. RAILWAY INTELLIGENCE. NORTH BRITISH. The report issued by the directors of this com pany is a lengthy document, of which the following is an abstract :—The half-year ending 31st July closes with an equal mileage compared with the corresponding date of last year, but, owing to partial openings, an accurate comparison of results cannot be made prior to the half years commencing Ist of August, 1862 and 1863, The comparative increase of traffic receipts in the past half-year gives a total of £34,152 ; and the balance sheet shows a surplus available for dividends on the ordinary stocks of £20,591, enabling the directors to recommend the shareholders todeclare dividends per cent. per annum of 11 on the North British, Bs. 4d. on the Edinburgh, Perth, and Dundee, and 2 on the Border Union ordi nary stocks; leaving a balance to carry forward of £839. The directors consider these results satisfac tory. A year ago, when the dividends of the Edin burgh, Perth, and Dundee, West of Fife, and Silloth undertakings were not a burden on the North British, the shareholders only received a dividend of 1 per cent, per annum. Now, also, there are the dividends on Border Union and North British gua ranteed shares, and interest to capital expended on the Wansbeck, the Galashiels, the Peebles and Ber wickshire railways, hitherto totally unproductive, and imposing a dead weight on revenue. These did not affect the corresponding period, therefore to declare a better dividend on a largely augmented capital is satisfactory in the highest degree —more especially when it is further considered that in the immediately preceding half-year (always the more remunerative of the two) the dividend was; per cent. less than now earned. The Border Union revenue is slowly progressing, time being required for removing obstructione at Carlisle and Gretna. The damaging operation of the English and Scotch traffic agree ment, by which receipts to the amount of £50,000 per month are now placed in suspense at the rail way clearing house, must, in the opinion of the board, be legally tested. The directors state they cannot acquiesce in the deduction that railways opened since the agreement was executed are at liberty to carry the traffic, but are not entitled to participate in the proceeds. The directors refer with satisfaction to the results of the parliamentary ses sion. All the bill s p romo t e d b y th e company were sanctioned by parliament, the directors only regret ting the cost of victory was so large. Some of the costs are charged to capital, some to revenue, some to the contingent account. In the latter is a sum of £3,753, paid to the various suf ferers at M l Taxton, where, in May, 1862, part of a train left the line. The directors, while refusing to admit legal liability, have endea voured to alleviate, by reasonable pecuniary com pensation, the sufferings of those who were per sonally injured by the accident. The share capital authorised to be raised in last session is : Border Union purposes, £500,000; Silloth and Belfast steam communication, £30,000; Queensferry route, £400 , 00 0 —total, £990,000. Of this it is intended to call up about one -half in the next 12 months, but the board advise the creating of the whole of the capital in 112 10a. shares, at 5 per cent, per annum, in perpetuity, to be allotted to preference and ordi nary holders alike. The plan adopted is expected not to cause any undue strain on the resources of the company, the traffic receipts being steadily on the increase, and a considerable mi'eage of rail ways from time to time, to come into active and profitable operation. The Lansholme branch is to be completed in December; 17$ miles of the Ber wickshire will be opened in October; the junction of the Wansbeck with the Border Counties will pro bably be accomplished in 1864; and the Galashiels and Peebles to Innerleithen on the Ist of Jaly, 1864, and throughout by the Ist of January, 1865. Of the Queeosferry route the directors intend com pleting forthwith about three miles, to connect their northern system with the Charleston Railway, and thereby affird a convenient shipping place for the Fifeshire minerals. The remaining works, the directors have no doubt, the authorised capital will fully suffice to complete, and leave a considerable margin for improving existing accommodation. The growing trade of Silloth points out the neces sity for provision whereby ships resorting thither may refit, and it is intended to spend £3,000 in the erection of a repairing slip. A tug steamer has been placed there, and it is expected that regular steam communication between Silloth and other ports will be increased. Since the last meeting, the Hon. T. C. Bruce, chairman of the Inverness and Perth Railway, has ceased to be a director of the North British, and Mr. Charlton, of Hesleyside, formerly chairman of the Border Counties Railway, has been elected to the vacant seat. The directors anticipate a consider able accession of traffic from the through opening of the Inverness and Perth Railway, and will lose no opp )rtunity of cultivating friendly relations. The railways of the two companies, on completion of Queensferry, will form the most convenient and shortest route between Edinburgh and the north of Scotland. A special meeting of the Border Union section of shareholders will be held immediately after the general meeting, to enable them to assent to the amalgamation of their capital with part of the North British. HEALTH OF LONDON. (From the Registrar-General's Weekly Return.) In the week that ended last Saturday the deaths in Lon don were 1,186. The average number of deaths in 10 cor responding weeks—viz., the 38th week in each of the years 1353-62, with the omission of deaths from cholera in 1854, and a correction for increase of population, is 1,147. The mortality as exhibited in the present return does not much exceed the estimated amount. There were 36 deaths from smallpox, 14 of which occurred to persons 15 years old and upwards. It is stated that vac cination had been previously performed in 10 of the 36 cases, but the evidence on which such statements rests is not al ways to be trusted. Only one death from smallpox occurred in the west districts in the week, and not more than four in the south. The deaths from scarlatina were very numerous in the week ; they were 130. This complaint is at the present time the most fatal in the list, with the exception of phthisis, which numbers 142 eases. Scarlatina seems to be rife in Kentish-town, where there were eight deaths from it; in the sub-district of Haggerstone east, where there were five; and in Tat of St. Peter, Walworth, where there were seven. Four deaths were ascribed direetly to intemperance, be sides four to delirium tremens. Seven infants died of syphi. litic disease. Two widows died at the respective ages of 91 and 95 years. A man employed in lead works, aged 35 years, died from lead poisoning, which caused disease of the liver. Last week the births of 946 boys and 984 girls, in all 1,930 children, were registered in London. In the 10 correspond.. ing weeks of the years 1853-62 the average number (cor rected) was 1,846. At the Royal Observatory, Greenwich, the mean height of the barometer in the week was 29 . 950 in. The barometri cal pressure was 30.20 in. on Monday, and it fell to 29 . 49 in. on Saturday. The mean temperature of the air in the week was 56.1 deg., which is 0.4 deg. below the average of the same week in 43 years (as determined by Mr. Glaisher). Th e m ean temperature was below the average on every day till Friday. The lowest night temperature was 43.8 deg., on Thursday. The highest day temperature was 71.8 deg., on Saturday. The range of temperature in the week was therefore 28 deg. The mean daily range was 16 . 9 deg. 1 he difference between the mean dew-point temperature and air temperature was 8 deg, The mean degree of humidity of the air was 75, complete saturation being represented by 100. The wind blew during the week from the south. west. The mean of the highest temperature of the water of the Thames was 62 7 deg. ; that of the lowest was 60.5 deg. No rain was measured in the week. [A D VERTISEMENT],—HoIIoway's Fills.—Everybody's Fi'kh.—One of the many causes of the eminent success of this medicine is the great purifying effect it exerts over the circulation ; it watches over the new blood forming from the food, invigorates the distribution of the maturer blood, and casts out the old which has dono its duty, and whose further presence becomes detrimental. By taking way's pills agreeably to their accompanying instructions, every person may attai n th e b es t perm i ss ibl e s tate of health without interfering materially with th e usual habits, plea sures, or pursuits, The weak and nervous will find them selves invigorated by judicious do se s of this medicine, and by steady and persevering attention may confidently hope for increased strength, greater comfort, and better health, SPIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS. TIMES.—It is impossible to watch without deep practical interest the character given to the arma ments in the American War. At a time when the nations of Europe are remodelling their ordnance and reconstructing their navies by the light of theories and experiments, America is adapting her actual practice to the necessities of present strife, and shaping her course by the lessons of real expe rience. This contrast of situations would be instruc tive in any case, but it has been rendered peculiarly remarkable by one prominent fact. What we accept the Americans reject. All our conclusions and de ductions they have either neglected or discarded, and have followed exactly the path on which we, after careful survey, have hitherto declined to ven ture. The result is such an extraordinary diver gence of practice as may well arrest our attention. At this moment the Americans are attacking Char leston with a siege train every gun of which throws a 200-pound shot, whereas if we are engaged in a similar operation our most powerful cannon would probably be 68-pounders. If we are wrong in these matters, it would follow that our artillery is no longer equal to the exigencies of modern warfare. The question is not an easy one to examine. On the side of the Americans it can certainly be urged that they are intent upon actual work with a tre mendous war upon their hands, and that the con clusions adopted under such circumstances must necessarily carry extraordinary weight. They are too much in earnest to regard anything but the object actually in view, and too sharply taught to re main long under mistake. This is certainly true, but we must remark that the Federals, of whose tactics we know most, seem never to have troubled them selves with any inquiries at all. They appear to have assumed ,characteristically, that the biggest gun must be the best gun, and that if they wanted a better gun than the last they had only got to make a bigger one. General Gilmore's batteries at Charleston are now armed with 200-pounders, but he has already received a couple of 300-pounders, and the manu facturer of these cannon is at present constructing a 500-pounder, and meditating, we are told, a 2,000- pounder. At first sight, too, there appears some justification for these views. The heavier the pro jectile, other things being equal, the greater must be its destructiveness, and just as we advanced from 12-pounders to 68-pounders in our sea service, and from 6-pounders to 18-pounders in our field artil lery, so, it would seem, we should advance, if we can, from these calibres to others still more formidable. The Americans have presumption as well as practice in their favour, and yet we cannot say that the superiority of their system is absolutel3 established. It must be remembered that, though the Federals have made no trial of our principles, we have to some extent tried theirs. We have had targets built to represent the sides of their Monitors, and have made experiments with guns as heavy as their siege guns at Charleston. It was after these trials, and with out, as we hope, any prejudice against the new designs, that we placed the old 68-pounders so high on the list. The larger guns, with one or two excep tions, failed to satisfy oertain indispensable condi tions. Nor are we sure that the Americans have been really more successful. It was reported, though we cannot say on what authority, that many of the guns in Gen. Gilmore's• batteries had burst, and it is certain that his 300-pounder had nearly two feet blown off her muzzle at the 25th round. Again, though there is reason to suppose that the Confederates are employing guns far heavier than our own, they can make little or no impression on the Monitors, whereas, unless our experiments are delu sive, the old 68-pounder at close quarters would send her shot clean through their plates. When we read of the 440-pound ball with which the Wee kawken stove in the sides of the Atlanta we lay but little stress on the story, for a 40-pound Armstrong bolt would certainly have done as much ; in fact, a target like the Atlanta would be considered at Shoe bury ness as no target at all. As regards iron-cased ships, th ere f ore , th e American practice gives us no conclusive information. The Confederates cannot destroy the Monitors, and the Federa s have never met with any Monitors to destroy. No effect of a shot against an armour-plated vessel is reported which the old 68-pounder could not match. What ever Dahlgrens and Parrotts have actually done in this way our chief service gun could undoubtedly do. Out there is another branch of the subject re quiring our attention. The siege guns used against shore fortifications by the Federals at Charleston have certainly done what nobody would expect of any guns in our service. They have battered down a fort at two miles' range ; they have shelled a town at five miles, and we are assured they would be per fectly effective for the same work at seven miles. Here there ean.be no doubt about the practice, and it leaves the powers of our artillery far behind. Possibly some of the guns may have been disabled, and there may be other drawbacks from their general efficiency of which we are not informed, but the great fact remains that Charleston was shelled from five miles' distance, and Fort Sumter knocked to pieces at about half that range. Could our 68-pounders perform any such service as this P It must be observed, too, that these enormous guns were brought from a considerable distance to the scene of action, and that all the necessary material had to be similarly transported. Such exploits open a new epoch in siege operations. We do not sup pose that Fort Sumter was any fair specimen of a fortification, but that is of no importance to the moral. The moral is that guns of about three times the calibre used in our service have been successfully employed for breeching and bombarding purposes at a range hitherto unknown. Although, there fore, we cannot discover in the American war any incident which should immediately disturb the re sults of our own experiments, we must observe that these experiments have been directed to naval pro blems only. In those problems we have had to consider not only what a gun would do, but how the gun was to he carried. To apply the American experience we should require first to see the 15-inch gun tried against the Shoeburyness targets, and then to see the vessel on the decks of which she could be mounted. Whatever may be the powers of these guns, we are by no means convinced that they are good guns for ships. The Monitors have as yet only crept along the Atlantic coast, and not very confidently. The original model all but foundered on her first voyage, and actually foun dered afterwards. The others have arrived safety at the rendezvous, but we observe that their ar rivals are usually expected with some anxiety, and reported with considerable congratulation. Nobody supposes that they would form a sea worthy squadron, but this is what our ships roust do, and if they cannot carry large guns on such conditions they must carry smaller ones. As to the armour of the vessels, it is remarkable that though ther e i s not a s hi p in the fleet the plates of which could not, according to our presumptions, be pierced by a 68-pounder, there is only a single instance of the destruction of an ironclad by the heavy guns of the Confederates. Dismissing, how ever, this branch of the question—not, indeed, as settled in our favour, but as still obscure and uncer Lain—we are compelled to conclude that th e Ameri cans are giving is a lesson in the capabilities of siege artillery. We cannot say what practice may be made with the Armstrong 110-pounder, but we do not imagine that we have any battering guns in our service which could send their balls through 26 feet of earth, or through nine inches of wrought iron backed by 24 inches of oak. Yet the Fedcrals, ... if we are to accept their own statements, have actually made a gun equal to such work, and have placed it in position before Charleston. It may be said, perhaps, that other European nations are left in the rear, like ourselves, by these new discoveries ; but that may not be the case long. The Russians, we aro told, have ordered as many as 4,000 guns of our manufacturers, none of which are to be lighter than the 68-pounder, and many probably very much heavier. This is proof enough that the new sys- tern is thought practicable. We do not yet know that such ordnance can be successfully carried or worked at sea, but we do know that it is manage able on shore, and that its range and power are • - extraordinary, —a lesson far too important to be received with indifference. POST.—The Hapsburgs, as we all know, held the throne of Spain and the Indies for nearly two cen turies. It would have required singular boldness to have predicted to them a revival of any pa r t o f that inheritance since its definitive settlement on the House of Bourbon, by the treaty of Utrecht, a century and a half ago. Indeed, the unmi sta k able decline and threatening extinction of all the branches cf this Bourbon dynasty would have made it less improbab;e, ten years since, that the Aus trian pretensions might have revived at the Escurial than that the accidents of conquest and marriage should have now offered to the Hapsburg line the prospect of two imperial thrones on the other side of the Atlantic. We now learn that a marriage has been arranged between the youngest brother of the Emperor of Austria and the eldest daughter and heiress of the Emperor of the Brazils. The Archduke Louis Joseph Antoine Victor is now just twenty one years of age, and the Donna Isabelle Christine is seventeen. In this un i on the hope of the Brazil i an succession will rest, and an Austro-Brazilian prince will some day in a ll probability ascend the impe rial throne of Rio Janeiro. That contingency, no doubt, is di s t ant enough, for the Emperor Pedro 11. is not yet forty. The Austrian Archduke, however, when his princess ascends the throne, will probably take th e titl e of E mperor, as the consorts of Maria di Gloria in Portugal, and of Isabella in Spain, took that of King, The Hapsburg succession in Brazil w'll probably become as established a fact es the Hapsburg succession in Mexico. Three imperial crowns in possession or in remainder fall to a single branch of one family that seemed, only thirteen years qop to be struggling for existence even in their hereditary dominions in Europe. These events:• which affects so greatly the prospects of the House of Hapsburg, deserve to be considered from more than one point of view. No doubt they serve mate rially to weaken the Hapsburg succession inAustria i itself, and more particularly the succession n the family of the Archduke Francis and Archduchess Sophia, in which it at presents rests. The present Emperor of Austria has three brothers —Maxi ' Indian, aged thirty-one; Charles, aged thirty; the youngest, Louis. Two, therefore, oat of the three are likely to be taken across the Atlantic. T he marriage of Louis does not of course so ne cessarily involve his continual residence in Brazil as th e elec tion of Maximilian to the Throne of Montezurnit will require his continual presence at Mexico. Bit . t . . probably the heiress-apparent and her husband .an B ill not find it easy to be absent from the Brazili territory; and in that event, the Archduke Charles. would remain file only brother of the Empe ror Austria on whom the regency could devolve to the event of his death, the Archduke Rudolph, the heir apparent to the Austrian Throne, being now owl:, five years of age, and thirteen years distant from We majority. It is probable that this difficulty, howev.erj will be made light of in the face of a tempt a tion whic.! offers the Austrian dynasty two imperial thrones is the New World. It is impossible not t o p e rceive also that in this marriage consists an auxiliary guaranty for the stability of the throne of the Archduke milian in Mexico. A prince placed upon an imped e throne, newiy formed, and though in cooson ane , e with the real wants, yet in opposition to the ream ; traditions of the nation, will be glad to repose n P a the moral support and alliance of his neighbours' In a vast continent of republics, with the Angi n ,i Saxon race upon the North, and mongrel, . 01 ,. Latin and half Indian races to the South, it la mutual advantage to Mexico and Brazil that to e two imperial dynasties should be in such intima te alliance with each other. The Federal Government may not be hostile to the new Mexican empire' the Confederates may recognise it from motive s ° self•interest ; the South American Republics tia have no more the will than they have the power thwart a development of the French Emperor policy; yet a dynastic alliance between the tsc e . Imperial Houses is one of the most pernian e r leagues which each can have for its support by t° ° other; and it is one to which the misfortunes of the at present imperfectly developed Mexican empir e can not be indifferent. There seems nothing wor e vai▪ n than a speculation of the future of any one of the great reigning dynasties of Europe, even fora si▪ ngle generation ahead of us. Thirteen years ago the Bourbon family were to all appearanc e firmly seated on three European thrones. N° l/ they are banished from two of them, with no so f " , of probability of their ever returning to either' Some thirty years ago what reigning House seem ed more insignificant than the family of Saxe -Coburg ? Yet we now see them, in the male line, supply'" the dynasties of England and Portugal, and anothe r prince of their House, one of the astutest Sovereigns in Europe, on the Throne of Belgium. The little branch headed by Prince Christian of Denmark' which only eleven years ago came into p rom inenc e , as the family then next entitled by a treaty ' 3 ' 1851 to the throne of Denmark, have since giv° l3 :, or are about to give, brides to the heirs-apparent n ' England and Russia and a King to Greece. Th e ancient House of Savoy, after living for sev e !, hundred years in hereditary insignificance, has in the last four years acquired a dominion more poP °. lous, and not less powerful and important, than the kingdom of the Great Frederick. The Bonapart e° have revived ; and almost in their former splendour' These and other such striking dynastic changes O n ,f own generation has witnessed ; and the promis e ' extension of the dynasty of Rudolph of Hapsburg over two Imperial Thrones in the Western World presents a coincidence of fortune which should or pease the shade of the Emperor Leopold I. for th e transfer of Louis XIV. of the dominions of h i° kinsman, Charles 11. of Spain to Philip V. in the rear of the Spanish succession. To a great extent the . elder b ran bh o f t h e H a p s burgs are likely !° regain the rule of the ladies, which fell to their younger branch on the abdication of Charles ir What is hardly less remarkable than the extension of the Hapsburg dynasty is the character for mode' ration and practical statesmanship that marks the present generation of that Imperial House. COUNTRY MARKETS. --- 4-- LEEDS—TUESDAY. There is a better demand for wheat to-day, which may ba quoted at the currencies of last Friday. Barley i s in gOO show, and at is to 2s decline. LIVERPOOL—TUESDAY. At our market to-day there was a better attendance of the trade, and rather more disposition to buy was evinced• Wheat, with a moderate consumptive demand, may be quoted 3d to 4d per cents! lower than upon this day week• Flour dull, and offered at a decline pt 6d per barrel. Oats a slow sale, and id to Id per bushel lower. Barley a nd peas unaltered in value. Indian coat very dull—mixed may be quoted worth 26s 9d per 4801 b, MARKET HARBOROUGH-TuL SDAY. White wheat, 42s to 455; red, 40s to 44s per 3G stone. Malting barley at 33s to 37s per qr.; grinding, 29s to 31s per 30 st. Oats, old, 30s to 325; naw, 20s to , 26s per 24 st.; beans, 39s to 43s per qr. SHEFFIELD-TUESDAY. We had a large supply of wheat from neighbouri n g farmers, some of it of indifferent quality. Factors bad a good supply from the South in excellent condition. The attendance was large, but the demand waslimited, at is per load less than last week. Malting barley of good uality was shown tor the first time for some months and q sold. freely. Flour reoeded ld per stone. Red wheat, per load of 3 imperial bushels...lss Od to 17s ga White » , ...18s Od to 19s 6 1 New red , ~.15s 0 to 17s N. New white , If d ...17s Od to 18s Od 6 „ Beans r,, tt ...158 Od to 178 ~-, Peas, per qr 4 ss Od to 56s 0 ” Grindin g barley, per qr Maltinditto, „ Oats Flour,ls ' dd, is 7d, and is 9d per 1 233 4 2048: 1b °°° . ddd ttt°o°233B72l:B°°l MELTON MOWBRAY-TUESDAY. Harvest operations are now completed in this localitl' Wheat is a first-rate yield, and the quality is a l so good' —The following were the currencies :—Now white 1 010/ 43s Od to 46s Od ; new red, 42s Od to 44s per 36 stoner" beans, 39s to 44s for old ; new sorts, 37s to 42s per 38 st• barley, 31s to 38s for malting, and 29s to 32s per qr. fo r grinding; new oats, 20s, to 32s Od per 24 stone. Full benefit of reduced duty obtained by put, chasing Horniman's pure Teri; very choice at 3s. 4d. and 4s. "High Standard "at 4s. 4d. (formerly 4s. Bd.), is the strongest and most delicious imported. Agents in every town supply it in packets. :ADVERTISEMENT.)—COIISUMptIOII, all nervous, biUousf liver, and stomach complaints, in every stage, are only ag .- gravatect and accelerated by drugs of every description, bu t perfectly curable by Du Barry's health restoring Revalent O Arabia, Food, as proved by thousands of cases which 1 184 been considered hopeless. We quote a few.—Cure No. 62,01 4 ' Miss Lange, 18 years of age, cured after the medical men bad abandoned all hopes of her recovery from the last stage of pulmonary consumption, with fearful cough, expectoration+ exhaustion, spitting of blood, perspirations, hollow cheek& emaciated to a skeleton. She is now, thank God, a perfectly healthy, blooming, fleshy girl.—N. Lange, Commissaire de Police. Cure, No. 46,270. Mr. James Roberts, of Fernley" Surrey, of thirty years' diseased lungs, spitting of blood, liver derangement. and partial deafness.—Cure, No. 47,121. Miss Elizabeth Jacobs, of extreme nervousness, indigestion. gatherings, low spirits, and nervous fancies.—Cure, Na 64,816. Ibe Rev. James T. Campbell, Fakenham, Norfolk, of indigestion and torpidity of the liver, which had resisted all medical treatment. In tins, Ilb, 2s 9d; 21b, 4s 6d; 61b, lls ; 121 b, 225; 241 b, 40s. Barry du Barry and Co., No. 77. Regent-street, London ; also Fortnum and Mason; and $ lll grocers and chemists in every town of the United Kingdoln• Births. burgh, the Hon. Mrs. Thom as G. Di c k son , DlcxsoN.—On the 20th inst., at 42, H er i o t-row Edin. ter. TAYLOR.—On the 21st inst., at 99, Eaton-square , the wif e of Colonel Taylor, M.P , of a son and heir. of a 'daugh- WRIGHTSON.—On the 22d inst., at 12, Trinity-square, EX., Mrs. Leonard Wrightson, of a daughter. Marriages. BONDE—MARRYAT.—On the 19th inst., at St. George's. Hanover•square, Gustaf Frederic, Count Bonde, of Biorno, to Ida Horatia Charlotte, the only daughter of Horace Marryat, Esq., and granddaughter of the late General the Right Hon. Lord E. Somerset, G.C.B. HEY—CHAWNER.—On the 21st inst., at Lincoln, the Rev. Charles Edward Hey, 8.A., Minor Canon of Winchester Cathedral, to Ellen, youngest daughter of Darwin Glum' ner, Esq., M.D., of London. Deaths. ALLEN.—On the 19th inst., at Bath, the Rev. Henry WVm• Allen, 8.A., aged 30. ANTROBUS.—Onthe 20th inst., at Eaton Hall, Cheshire, Fanny, wife of J o h n Coutts ntrobus, Esq. BLISS.—On the 18th inst., at the Vicarage, Bishops Ly deard, Nathaniel Bliss, Esq., aged 70. BRIDGES.—On the 20th inst., the Rev. Geo. W. Bridgest incumbent of Beachley, Chepstow, aged 77. ELL ICE.--On the 17th inst., at Ardochyi Glengarry, N. 8., the Eight Hon. Edward Ellice, M.P., aged 80. FISHER.—On the 16th inst., at York, Andrew Fisher, Epiq., late Major in the 35th Bengal N. 1., son of the late Rev. Henry Fisher, Chaplain of the Bengal Establish ment, aged 55. KELSALL.—On the 17th inst., at Mount Auburn, Killing, county Dublin, Colonel Joseph Kelsall, late of the 70th Regt. WASHINGTON.—On the 16th inst., at Frascati, Havre Rear-Admiral Washington, F.R.S., Bydrographer co the Admiralty, aged 63. 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