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tithes ?—(Hear.) He should augur the worst pcssible result turn the present vote, if the cour s e now about to he adopt, d should he allowed to be drawn into a precedent, unl. pa it was followed up by a vicotous eff..rt to com pel p , yment from those from whom the money was really due.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. O'CONNELL said, that when vigour was talked of with regard to Ireland, it should he recollect. d if at that hat been the system for the last 700 years. This was the first time in which a more conciliatory syst-m bad been adopted. Were the Government to blame for adoring this filst step in the system of conctli ttion ? N. What was the state of Ireland before it was adopted ? There was one universal resistance to the payment of tithes, and soldiers had I een obliged to come from Cork to Aliddleton, to put down that resis tance. Attempts were made to enforce payment of tithes by horse and foot, and the country was almost in a state of civil war. The law processes were incessant.--(Hear, hear.) In 1932 there were, in the Common Pleas alone, 321 writs issued, and in 1833. these had in creased to 572.—(Hear, hear.) In 1832, of the writs issued, only seven were at the suit of clergymen ; but in 1833 there were 265, out t.f the whole number issued. at their suit. This went on in the same to er in all the three courts, so that there were nearly 3,000 processes at the time of the Coercion Bill. The country was almost in a state of civil war, and the Govern ent were obliged to interfere and prevent a ptedial insurrec tion. No Government bad acted uwre wise y than this Government bad done in this instance ; and in his opinion the advocates of the clergy, instead of blaming, ought to praise them for the course they had pursued. Let th.s vot, pass, and next Session let them agree to some measure that would lessen the burden of the Church of Ireland upon the people of that country. This money never would be rep..id—who was there to pay it? Let them give it at once. The landl. rds were not much to blame. Were they to be made liable for their tithes and be trice•e tithe proctors? It so, let it be so stated at once. H heartily concurred with the vote for a niiilion.—(A laugh) Let them grant this million at.d put cha-e peac with it. It would be a cheap purchase ; and then let them continue the system of conciliation thus begun, and make Ireland pro-perous an.l harpy. _ _ Sir. R. INGLIS said the Hun. and Learned Member called this the bust sup in the system of conciliatiun to wards Ireland. Was not the measuie of 1829 so regarded by him at the time it passed ? Had nut the measures of 1793 and 1778 been so regarded? In every one of these instances the measure had been called the first step towards conciliation, and that expression had been kept up till each measure was passed ; but immediately afterwards it was forgotten, and a new grievance was starred, and every previous attempt at conciliation was then denied. He ofj cted to the principle of the present urea-ure, for he lurked upon it but as a premium to disobedience of the law. Ile feared, too, that in that, as in other instances, the demand and the supply would be found to equal each other; and every three year-, he had no, doubt, they would see the Irish Secretary coining down to the Huse with a proposition like the present. Protesting, diet, fire, against ti e f rincipl.-, and against every u-e that might be made of this precedent hereafrer, he should reserve his objections to the details of the measure till they came fairly bet re the House. 11Ir. DIVETT oh'erved that all the arguments of the lion. and Learned Alember for Dublin showed his belief that the , utti now advanced would no he repaid. Af er that, could that Houk be called on to vote one million ul Exchequer ails, and to do what ? Why to bolst,er up tie Church of Ireland—a church against which all the feelings of the Iri-h people were arrayed. Mr. SINCLAIR th: u.ht that the House seem-d to have scarcely any other du y to perform than that of voting away milk , Mr or the public money—a system which it was high time to cheek. He considered this giant as vet) , impolitic and uojust—impolitic, bre use it operated as an encouragement to resistance hot!) active and passive —unjust, because the loss would ihevitatily fa 1 upon the people of Scotiand tend of England, who bad obeyed the laws, and paid their lull share of all the public burdens, including the dues of their own rhergy. It was also bard upon such of the List) people as had already paid their own tithes, and wou d now Lave to contribute towards making up the deficiencies of their noire Teti actory neigh bours. It was not to be expected, cur would it be just, that the advance should ever be reimbursed by the Irish landlords—or could be recovered by them from their indi gent and resisting tenantry. 31r. E believed that this money would be lost to England. And for what was it to be paid ? To bolster up the church establishment against the best feelings of the country. The Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin asked them to give the money at once, in order to con tinue the non-payment of tithes for another year, and then they would never be paid again. He (Mo. Hume) bad always told them that that would be the case. The p e ople tit England would do the bathe, and if they were to be called on to pay what other people ought to have paid, they would be silt' not to do it. They were now distinctly told that the money never would be repaid. Uttar these circumstances, could they think of granting it ? The whole scheme of repayment ought first to be laid before them. He should propose, therefore, that the Chairman should report progress, in order to give the Mi nisters time to lay the Bill before the House, that they might term the r own judgment on the matter. Lord ALTHOM) said that the passing of the resolu tion must be preparatory to bringing in the Bill, and when the House saw the Bill, if they did not think that there were any means of recov, ring the money, it would be in their power to reject the Bill at any stage of its progress. At the tone that this measure was that announced, it was stated that the Government intended to bring forward a proposition which wth.ld prevent the future collection of tithes in the old way. The continuance of that system then bra trued creating the utmost confusion in the coun. try. He could assure the House that they came with the expectation and the ceternitnation that the raeasuie they intended to propose should procure the repayment of this advance —( Hear, hear.) 1t the occupying tenant was to be made to repay it, the satne cousequences as before won!cl follow from the same causes. They proposed, then lore, to follow a diff rent course. They intended to loliow up the Conipositien Bill of he last Session. if they were right in passing that Bill, the application of the sane principle ern a more extended scale must be advantageous. The tithes on this year would be spread over a period of five pars, anti would be edited to the amount of the composition for tithes. The advance would be made to the clergy, who, on oh taming the composition, would repay it to the Govern. ment. This sutu would therefore he added to the amount of the composttion which the clergyman would be entitlett to receive. It did nut appear to him that the Govern went was in any danger tit not being repaid. The ti bee loss by the tenantry quitting the land, could not of course be levied on the lautiluid, but must he considered as totally lust, and no deduction could be made by the clergyman or. accouut of them. He did not wish to call on tile people of England to pay fur the people of Ireland. He should, th, re ore, put his cane on ibis issue, that if the House Were nut satisfied that ample provision would be matte fur the r payment ut tow money, they ought not to adopt the Lib ; but it they saw a reahunatoe probability of the money being recovered, then he thought they would agree with him that it would be good policy to make the advance, and prevent the old mode of collecting tithes from being again resored to in Ireland. isi r. AGLI NBY agreed with those who thought that this would be a grant and not a loan, and believed that it once adopted, this course must eternally go on while the church eatathisnuient was forced upon the majority of the Irish people against their will. Mr. WALKER said that if the matter was as the Noble Lord supposed, there could be no objection to the House adding to the resolution toat they agreed to it on the con tiogrncy that this Bill, when produced, should satisfacttnily pruvede for the repayment of the loan. Ministers could not be ignorant that tbere was a strong feeling anionkst the people o England against tithe, especially in the agri culiutto district, Lori ALT ROM' remarked that the resolution would be nothin g but wage paper, unless it were followed up by a Bill to be approved by P,Lriiainent. M. PARROTT, without any feeling hostile to Minis ters ur*ed hem to witlidiaw the resolution. L. ALTHORP added, that the adoption of the Bill, to be fountleti upon the iesoluti.m, would of course depend upon the kind of security it offered fur the money ; that security were not approved the Bill might be rejected. The toms of the House required that the vote should first be brought forward in the shape of a te , olution. Mr. 13M:N(20E said, that if the reso ution were merely waste paper. it was needless for the Committee to be cello' upon to vote in tavuur of it. The One million required yeas to pay the arrear of tithes in 1831, 1832, and 1833, with certain deductions st so much per cent. ; and it really seemed as if the /louse of Commons had nothing it, du but to vote away the public moue), without at all inquiring where that money was to come from. Mr. HALCOMH supported the resolu ion. Lu:d DUNCANNON übserv.d, that his I\lid,le Frien Ltd only meant that the te o talon uki I.e wa. p ave if it were nut I.lluwed up and eatried into effect by a Biii. Mr. 0 CONELL druirtl that there was dny »unil nth Letwien thi• loan ..nd the gift to the West hold Tue Huse was at tot times ready to give beim) iron sleel, but jubt as reluctant to afford her silver or gold. Lord J. RUSSELL adverted to the alternative offered —either to leave the Clergy of Ireland unpaid, which would be an admitted injustice t" present incumbents, or to proceed with the present method of collecting tithes. After the proceedings of the last year, after the military force of the country had been employed for the purpose, and employed in vain, he did not think it would be prudent longer to adhere to that system. Mr. HUME contended, that the present was merely a temporary measure—to answer the immediate purpose of Ministers—which would never give permanent peace to Ireland. He especially objected to the grant of 220,0001. for lay inwropriators. Mr. LITTLETON regretted that the objectors to this plan had not fasoured the House with any suegestion in- stead of it. If this resolution were rejected, the fault would not lie with the Government, but vi ith the House. CAYLEY was oppo , ed to the attempt to throw the lird. ns upon the landlords of Ireland. The Committee divided— For the Resolution Against it . Majority -36 ESTIAIA I ES. On our return to the G,llery, Mr. BERNAL had brought up the report on the militia estimates. Mr. HUME objected—that the money would be en tirely thrown away—that the militia had cost 'he country six millions since the Peace—and that it was not in a condition to be able to give so large a sum for nothing. M. E. ELLICE justified the vote, and said it was to pay the half pay and pensions of officers formerly on the st,iff of the militia. Sir R. PEEL suggested the necessity of a total change in the law relating to hallotting and providing substitutes for the militia. It was neither adapted to a state of war or peace in the present condition of society.—(Cheers.) The re•olutinn was agreed to. BRIBERY AT ELECTIONS Lord J. RUSSELL said, it was not his intention, at this advanced period of the session, to bring in a measure to prevent bribery at elections, especially as he understood was likely to be resisted. He alluded to the difficulty he had experienced in settling the true definition of bribery. He hoped to he fully prepared next year. Sir R. PEEL alluded to the conflicting decisions of Committees as to what was or what was not bribery, and to the inconvenience and injustice that had arisen from them. One Committee had determined that to pay up a voter's rates was bribery, while another had held the contrary. It was doubtful even whether the payment of the shilling for registration was nit bribery. At all events it was highly expedient that these inconsistencies should be reconciled.—( Cheers ) The order of the day for bEngin¢ in the Bill was dis chareed on the motion 01 Lord J. RUSSELL. The rt port on the As , essed Taxes Bill was received, the several amendments agreed to, and the Bill ordered to be read a third time to-day. Sir C BURRELL moved the second reading of the Labour Rate Bill. Mr. C. BULLER of jected to the Bill and moved, as an amendment, that it be read a second time that day three months. An HoN. MEMBER said, that the Bill had worked well in various parts of the country, and it should have his support. Mr. HUNIE wished for postponement, with a view to further inquiry. Lind ALTHORP had consented to the present Bill for the short period of one year, in the confident expectation that some general measure connected with the poor laws, and for their amendment, would have been before now introduced; and he was at present disposed to agree to it tor another year, in the hope that before that time elapsed, something general and beneficial would be accomplished. He admitted it was but a palliative, yet still he anticipated some benefit from it. Sir IL H. INGLIS observed, that the view taken of this subject by the Noble Lord opposite, was the most unstatesmanlike he had ever beard. The N..ble Lord admitted that he was willing to endure a given quantity of evil, merely on the ground that its duration would be short. An How. MEMBER defended tie Bill, as one from which he exp cred c n•iderahle benefit to the country. Mr. STURT hoped it would not he agreed to, for he felt assured that it would have the effect of destroying the independenre of the labourer. Mr. POULETT THOMSON thought the Bill bad in principle. It might be beneficial to some particular pa rishes, but he thought it would have a most injurious effect on the country at large, and he should, therefore, oppose it. The subject would be ere long considered on a broad bids, and he therefore hoped the House would not allow the great princi t le to be embarrassed by such legislation as the present. Mr. HALCONIR supported the measure. Sir H. VERNEY objec ed to the Bill, both in a prac tical and theoret eal pint of view. An How. MEMBER, whose name we could not ascertain, supported the measure, as one to the decision of which the whole agricultural interest were looking with the greatest anxiety. Sir C. BURRELL supported the measure. After some further desultory discussion, the House divided. when there app-ared— For the second reading Against it Majority —l2 Mr. RIPPON gave notice that in the early part of the next Session of PdrlLtinent, be would move for leave to bring in a Bill to repeal that Act of Charles the 2d, which renewed the attachment of legislative, and ju. icial duties in the House of Peers, to th. high religious offices of Archbishop, and Bishop, in the Church Establishment of England. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and :he House adjourned at a quarter past two &dock. HOUSE OF LORDS, AuGuar 5. On the motion of Lord SUFFIELD, the Burglary Bill wa. read a third time and passed. The SOLICITOR-GENERAL acquainted their Lordships that the Commons had agreed to the Law Amendment Bill wi h amendments. BURGH POLICE (SCOTLAND) BILL. The Scotch Burgh Police Bill was read a third time and passed. Lord SUFFIELD presented a petition from Leeds, praying for the equalization of duties, and the abolition of bounties on sugar. Lord AUCKLAND said he was sure that, in the pre merit presquie of difficulties, the House would not feel it to he a question which ought to be pressed upon the attention of the Government. Lord ELLENBOROUGH had a petition to present from the borough of Haiti•ton, praying that the elective franchise of that borough might he reduced to 51., but, owing to some infoimslity, the petition was not received. The Nlarquis of LANSDOWNE presented a petition from Salmon, praying that the Scotch Burghs Bill might not extend to that borough. The Earl of GOSFORD presented a petition from the Rev. Charles Woodhouse, praying for a revision of the Liturgy. Lord WYNFORD said the petitioner had a remedy in his own hands. If he could not conscientiously subscribe o the art , c'eg he was not compelled to do so. Lord SUFFIELD eulogised the character of the peti tioner, and contended th .t an alteration would be satisfac tory to the consciences of iiisny strenuous churchmen. Lord ELLENBOROUGII presented a petition from Mr. C. Smith, who had filled a high situation in India, .Lnd was now a creditor, through the remittable loan, on the revenue of India. The petitioner stated that he, and 'hose in the same situation with hint, had always 'con sidered themselves as national creditors in as far as India was concereed, and that he now felt that Nis claims would he treated unjustly if the borne bondholders were put on a superior footing to himself, as they would be by the East India Charter Bill as it at present stood. The Noble Lord strongly recommended the petition to the attention of the House. T e petition was read at leneth. The Marquis 01 LANSDOWNE said that the truth was, that the petitioner overlooked the advantages given to the creditors on the Remittable Loan by the Bill. The Duke of WELLINGTON thought the question involved in the poit!ott one of much importance. CHURCH TEMPORALITIES (IRELAND) BILL. A converea•ion occurred upon the subject of an amend lient in the above Bill, previous t.. its being carried down to the Commons, between Earls GREY and WicrLow, and Lord PLUNEET, but it Was inaudible. PETITION OF THE EAST INDIA COMPANY. The Earl of SHAFTESBURY presented a petition from .he United Company of Merchants of England radimt to the East Indies, objecting to certain p irts of the 80l for the renewal of their Charter, and praying for modifications therein.—The petition having been read at length, the Noble Earl moved that it be laid on the table, and should then move that the petitioners be heard by their Counsel at the bar. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE thought there was no ease in which Counsel bad been heard upon political questions. Lord ELLENBOROUGH objected to the hearing of Cuun.tl bring roused, because the saute thing had been dune by the lia.u.e lit Commobs. The Eart Ut SHAFTESBURY said, that as the opinion of tbeir Lordships appeared to be that it would net be expedient to bear Counsel, he should not make the motion. EAST INDIA COMPANY'S CHARTER BILL. T►he Ma, (ill it{ of LANSDOWNE moved the order of th, d y for the c .mmittal of the shove Bill. Lord ELLENBOROUGH began by calling attention to a speech of the Noble Earl opposite (Earl Grey) upon the subject, delivered on the 18th of June, 1813, in which the Noble Eail urged the impropriety of eoing into such a question at so late a period of the session. Tne) were now on th e 6 t h o f A ugust j ust en t er ing upon the discussion of th e pr i nc i p l e o f a measure f ir more extensivs in its character, for the measure proposed in 1813 Wes only one to regulate the trade of India. What he wanted was, that the alterations with regard to the Government of India which had been so suddenly and um xpeetett4 proposed should be permitted to stand over till another session. This he thought absolutely necessary to a wise and safe legislation upon so difficult a subject, and i seemed to him that such a demand was not unreasonable, anti that it would be for the advantage of the empire if his Majesty's Ministers wou'd concede it. On a firmer occa sion be hail stated to their Lordships the fin social effect of the proposed alteration. He bad shown that the in creased charges thrown on the Government of India would be 470 0001. Upon the calculations assumed he took the present prospective deficit in the means of the Government to meet the demands upon it at 500,000/. ; so that that, added to the increased charges, would make a present prospective deficit of 970,000.—(H ear, . hear.) Th en t h ere were t h e i nten d e d reductions; and admitting the civil expenditure of India to be reduced by 650.000/., which would bring it dawn to the amount in 1823, that would still leave a deficit of 320,0001. It was calculated by some that the al eration would produce an increase in tt e revenue, for which he would alloo 100,0001. But their Lordships would still perceive th at if be was corr ec t i n hi s vi e ws of this part of the quest ion a period of four or five years must el tpee before the re venues of lndi a would equal her expenditure, and that was owing to the plan which his Majesty's Government bad adopted, and n o w re c ommend e d to the sanction of their Lordships. In its ptesent state he was sorry to say, it the British power were to be expelled from India to. morrow, it would leave behind it but little proof of its beneficial rule in the intprovements which it would have made in the country. He especially objected to that part of the measure which referred to the trade of the East India Company. In the sudden termination of the trading character of the Company, and in the general changes in the commercial regulations of India, consisted the great d tference between this measure and the system intended to have been proposed by the late Government; and from which he apprehended much danger to the trade of this country in the East. Tie consequences to the trade of the metropolis at home was also such as in his opinion were entitled to more consideration than they appeared to have re ceived at the hands of Ministers. The ships employed by the Company would, he feared, he useless for any other de scription of trade. The docks too, which bad been built especially as the depository of its commerce, and upon which thousands of persons were dependant for their bread, would at once cease to afford those persons employment. And why should all this be ? 'Wilt were not means taken to soften the blow which must fall upon all these people rather than involve them in one common destruction? By the arrangement now proposed two thirds of the trade with India would be transferred at once from London to the outports ; and this was to be done suddenly and un expectedly, almost without notice. The East India Com pany h id traded without injury to the discharge of its functions as a Government, and, as he contended, ix ith advantage to the country. The trade of the Company enabled them to make their remittances in goods, which was a great advantage to the inhabitants of Ind a, and one which must he lost to them when the remittances were made by bills. He wished next to draw their Lordships' attention to the mat rial alteration proposed to be made in the Government of India. He had been accustomed to regard the eystem as the fruit of the genius, the knowledge, the experience, and the wisdom of men standing even at this day in the first rank of the practical statesmen of the country. Not meaning to speak disparagingly of those who now direc ed the affairs of the empire, he would say that even they might condescend to pay some deference to the opinions of such Statesmen as Mr. Pitt and the first Lord Melville. By such men this system was formed, and at a time too when the attention of all Statesmen was directed to Indian affairs, and when the first men the country had ever seen had given to the suhject their hest attention. He contended that the necessary effect of this measure would be nut only to diminish the influence of the Company in this country, but to de eriorate that power which w is neces sary to its due and proper maintenance of the Government of India. Anything that was likely to prejudice the in fluence of this great body in the public mind, either at home or abroad, was in his (minima injudicious; hut for his own part he was entirely at a loss to comprehend what it was that had induced the Government to bring forward so eat naive an alteration as that which this B 11 had in view, and that, too, without the least intimation being given to the directors of the Company and other persons immediately and deeply interested in the matter. But it was evident that there were provisions, in this Bill which were highly derogatory to the Comp •ny. They were not only deprived of the management ot the territorial re venues of India, but even the sale of their own property was not intrusted to them. Now was there the least reason for this? Again, this Bill dictated that a fixed sum should be allotted for the payment of t he fficers of the Company ; but was not this accompan ied by a power of diminishing that sum, which would In its effects so cripple and mutilate the exercise of the funct ions of the East India Board as to leave the whole power in the hands of the Governor General of India. The pre sent plan would, in fact, alter th e present position of India, for the double power that would be invested by the measure in the two Birds, the one at home and the other abroad, would revolution;ze tie whole of those ter ritories. The alteration proposed to be effected in the Local Government of India w .s a matter of greatim portance. and to ti-at pisint, therefore, he would call their Lordships' attention. If the proposed change were to b e made, all he could say was, that no man ot respectability, talent, or integrity would accept the office of Gov. rnor of a subordinate province, degraded and stripped of all power and responsibility as it would he. So vast a power ought not to be placed in the hands of the Governor General as that proposed by the Bill to be placed in his bands. There could be no doubt that the intention of the Governme nt at first was to put down all the Councils in the subord inat e Presidencies. They had for the present bandoned this intention as far as regarded Madras and Bombay, because the suppression of the Councils in those Presidencies was inexpedient ; but he could not understand why on e pr i n. ciple was adopted with respect to these Presidencies and another with regard to Agra. The advantage of a local Council was, that all its proceedings were recoided, anti that no step was taken or act passed without great pre• viuus reflection and del.beration. There was also another alteration which he viewed with apprehension : be meant that which was to establish one uniform system of legislation fir all descrip ion of persons, whether Euro. peens, half castes, or natives, in India. Such a thing, he was satisfied, would be impossible, for the laws that would be applicable to one part of the population of that country would be wholly inapplicable to the other. He also strongly objected to the provision contained in this Bi I for unresnicred intercourse with India, and allowing Europeans ru has: up their residence there without license. It vies wen known that men of capital never went to Indi s ; but, if the license were done away with, would not persons without either capital or character go ti , ere and .ettle in the weever provinces, where the passive and timid disposition ot the natives rendered them easy subjtets for oppression? The restriction of the Supreme Court ought only to be effected by Act of Parliament ; for, although it was not faultless, yet, being the venerable image of our Courts, though it prevented offences rather than punished them, it was still the tetror of evil doers, as it brought before them the image of that justice which in this country was brought home alike to the poor as to the rich. The Governor-General was to have the power of abrogating both statute law and common law, except so far as related to releasing the subjects of the King from their allegiance; but he must say that a power so exten sive was not only not required, but would be for the lenefit of neither Europeans nor natives. He admitted that the natives ought to be admitted to hold official appointments, but he much feared they would be virtually exteutled by the half castes, wire, though standing in a more advantageous position in point of in crest, were still not equal to the natives eittter in energy or activity of mind. The Noble Lord also objected to the declaration with respect to the abolition ot slavery. Such . a declarati on was uncalled for. The Nttble Lord thought that all the civil servatite of the company oug h t first to serve in the army ; they wou ld then b e come acquainted with the country and the people, and if it should turn out that a roan was unfit for the of tie,he wis4 appointed . to . he could b e sent b ack to the army, and a more qualified person substi tute d i n his place. When in office it was his into ntiun to i ave prop ose d sonic suc h arrangement, and quite sure he wa s that unle s some s uch plan was ac ed upon it would be i mpossi b le to obtain o th e r than very interior persons to fill the high e r an d more important offices in India. He must also object to the insult • ffered to the Company in tak ng the management of their Coll , ge from under their control. Some alteration ut the present system o f correspond ence was undoubtedly called tor, and be h id intended to lessen the delay in that particular by introducing the regulations adopted by the Secretary of State. Indeed he bad contemplated eats- Minting a communication with India by steam, for he was fully impressed with the belief thq it was most essential to he good government of India that every rain holding office there should, as far as that was practicable, be in-ought under the eye or within the reach of the Govern ment at home. Th e N o bl e L ar d t h en move as anin struction to the C;ommitt.e, that all the clauses contained in the Bill relative to the alteration of the constitution and powers of the local Councils in the several subordinate Pre sidencies of India be omitted. The question having been put, The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that the Noble Lord complained that the measure would inflict an injury on persona who had embarked their capital on the faith of the existing state of things. Now that might be the else; but then came the question—were instances of in dividual hardship to stand in the way of the general good ? No great change was ever effected yet, without complaints of this sort being brought f irward ; but the , the Government of India could not go on as iteatis at pre sent, he thought would be admitted on all hands. The elan now proposed by Government was not calculated, neither was it intended, to cast any slur or censure upon the East India Company, who bad exercised with honour and fidelity some of the highest functions which ever had been delegated to any body of public men in this or any other country. The N-ble Lord (Ell , nhorough) had ob iected to that clause of the Bill which gave power to the East India Company to make four in place of three Presi dencies in India : but he could assure the Noble Lord that that very clause had met with the moat decided approba two of the East India Company. The Board of Directors had decidedly agreed to that regulation, which gave the Bo ird of Control a limited jurisdiction without in any way interfering with the judicious management of the affairs of India. If a diminution could be effected in the manage went of the affairs of India, whether at the Board of Control or at the Court of Di-ectors, not only would no ibj , ction be made to it, but it would be the object of the Government and the Board of Directors as speedily as possible to have it accomplished. Indeed so much and such lengthened discussions had taken place upon the sub ject, that he felt very unwilling to detain their Lordships by entering further into it.—(Hear.) It was quite clew, however, that it was always contemplated to give the Supreme Council a very enlarged jurisdiction. He need not refer to various documents to prove that fact; he need not ref; r to the opinions of such men as Mr. Pitt and Mr. Fox in justification of the present plan proposed by the Government of this day; and he would therefore merely refer to the Act of the 33d of George the Third to meet the objections which had been raised by the Noble Lord upon this part of the case. The object of the present Act was merely to settle more definitively the question now at issue, and thence it was that he could not under stand the objection made by the Noble Lord to the e,ta blishment of a fourth Presidency in India. Lord ELLENBOROUGH—I never said that I cared anything about the establishment of a fourth Presidency in India. My obj .ction had quite a different tendency. There was a Commissioner at Agra under the existing system, who acted as a President, and what need of any change ? The Marquis of LANSDOWNE then said that accord ing to the onservaiions of the Noble Lord, it signified little whether a Governor or a Commissioner were to pre side over the destination of fourteen or fifteen millions of people in the upper provinces of India. The Noble Lord (E lentrorougt - i) had spent no inconsider ihle time in dilat ing upon the present state of the College of Haylebury, and it, therefore, was incumbent upon him (the Marquis of L insdowne) to say a , ew words upon the subject. A military education was, no doubt, useful in its way, but military officers should not have the administration of civil Hilaire in this or any other country. He would ob j ct to the giving an entirely military character to the go vernment of India. It should be civil as well as military, in order to make India free, liberal, and indepen dent. Why, he would like to ask, shou'd the half castes in India be excluded from civil or militaty offices in India, when it was admitted by the Noble Lord (El lenborough) that the half castes were some of the ablest and fi-test men for office in India ? If such persons were excluded iron office, he considered that it would tend to great insecurity in India. He would again say that lie approved of the system of Haylebury College as far as it went; and with respect to the other clauses of the Bill, they would be matter for the future consideration of their Lordships. T• e N , ble Marquis cited the authotiry of Mr. C. W. Wynn, who had given the chance of corn petition to every class amongst the scholars of Westmin ster school for civil offices in India, in order to compete for si ttations in India. Such competition had taken place : be sons of the lower and I igher orders had competed with others for the chatter of writeraltips. The contest was felt as touch by the boys at the school as by their pa rents, an i sure he was that the children of reep etab'e parents would always compete with other+ for honours and places in India. He was the friend of a rigo ous economy in every system of tax ition, whether in England or in India, and he would to the last continue to i.e of the same opinion. He was of opinion that nothing had fallen fiom the Noble Lord (Ellenhorough) which shou d induce their Lordships, by dividieg the Bill, to interfere with the be nefits which would accrue from the Bill as now proposed to confer essential benefits to India. The Duke of WELLINGTON said it never bad been intimated that the change now proposed should be effected : on the contrary, their predecessors took every possible care they could to prevent it. Let the House rsmem►'er that, by the Charter of the East India Company, as a joint stock body, that Company had the right of trading to India and to China, even if the government of India was taken from then. He (.he Duke of Wedington) now complained that that right was to be taken from the Com pany, and that by that step great injury would be done to the finances of India.—(Hear, hear.) That state msnt would be amply borne out upon a reference to the financial documents upon their Lordships' table. But it hail been said by the Noble Marquis, that the coin:Nereid transactions of the Company were fag falling off; that in r:ality they were a losing concern. A losing trade ! Why, the East India Company out of the eeds of their commercial transactions paid the whole of their dividends, 10i per cen'., upon their home bonds. Farther it appeared from the official statement that at the end of twenty years the Government of India we. indebted to the commercial department no less a sum than 3,000,0001. That their Lordships would find to be the case upon the face of the financial documents upon the table. They would also find that through the funds to be re ibz d upon their commercial assets, as calculated up to 1834, India wound be relieved to the extent of the remit table debt, 4 1 70,1601 , and to the further extent of 240,1501. India, therefore, would be relieved through he commercial branch to the amount of those two sums ; but by the same documents it appeared that, under the proposed plan, India on the other hand would be charged pith Dividends Home Bond Debt _ 17,100 Compensation to Servants in India 56,000 Loss by Exchange 3441,9.26 Compensation to Servants at Home, about 300,000 Total 1,350,026 There would trieretore be a balance of 640,0001. to be charted in addition to the present burdens upon the re venues of India. If that statement was true, and he firmly believed it to be so, was nut his Noble Friend (Lord E.- lenhorough) right in characterising this measure as one postponing to an indefinite period any prospect of reduc lion ? But that was not the only loss which would be occasioned by the plan. As the tea duties were at present collected they rendered 3,000 000/. annually, and the c.nit in collecting them was not more than 10 0001. He iherefore apprehended that even should the consumption of tea not tall off, and the duty be continued at the same height as at present, still the Government would receive far less money in consequence of the increase there must necessarily fie in the cost of collection. But those were not the only losses this plan w uld occasion. At the present moment the Company employed actively a capital of 14,000 0001.; that capital w-uld be thrown out of employ and all the parts in which it had been used must of course suffer. He had oil a previous occasion pi esented a petition from 4,500 pe rsons connected b y comme rce with the East India Company, and was it no loss when those persons woul d be directly injured by the measure? Was it no loss, too, when in consequence of the measure 200,0001. were to be given annually in the shape of compensation for the deprivation of em• ployment ? Were these things no losses? It was idle t sa y s o. He went further, and declared that he firmly b e lieved that it would be advantageous to the private trader if the C rinpany were still to continue to trade. The Noble Marquis hid complained of the tone in which his Noble Friend (LerdEllenborough) had spoken of the manner i n which the East India Company had been treated by the Government throughout this transaction. Now be certainly concurred in what had fallen from his Noble Friend. In every instance in which the Government was firced to give way, it made the concession with as little N ia o a b s le pr;ro ar s g e u d is by w t i h t e h plan; ulueh a s n a d tis h fa e ct h io a r d , grace and favour as possible. The next point the Noble Marquis remarked . upon was the constitution of the Go vernmentons were intended in the Bill as would assimilateth le' aa that such d aufurio : I ft the alterations great ,vith that proposed by the measure of 1813. Tue Noble Duke then referred to the 46 h clause of the Bill under consideration, and to the words of the 33d of Geo. 111., but be spoke in so low g tone of voice that we were an. able to follow his reasoning with anything like minuteness. We understood the Noble Duke to argue that the power given to the Governor-General under• the measure of 1813 was more extensive in all matters of great and vital con sequences, than that which would be elven by the present Bill ; but that the present Bill authoriz and indeed compelled, the Governor• General to attend to details to an extent not only not in accordance with preceding Acts, hut prejudicial to good government, if not ahsolutely impracticable. He further c.rntende I against the increase in the Council. The nurn her had hitherto been three—under the Bill it was to he six ; and that change alone, be contended, would treble the details brought under discussion. Formerly the Go vernor General had certain defined duties to perform toge ther with his Council, but now there were to be two Councils, and the Gove-nor General must act in two ca pacities—first, as Governor of Bengal; and secondly, as Governor General of all India. How the duties of the two Councils were to be arranged, and how the Governor General was to execute his two functions, he left to the framers of the Bill to explain. Then with respect to general letters. He knew that it was the fashion to decry all the checks hitherto devised for the insurement of good Government, but he was firmly of opinion, that without general letters it would be impracticable to maintain our empire in India. Another part of the plan was to de prive the Governor General of the control over half of the array and half of the civil servants, and the Noble Marquis had slid that was on the recommendation of Lord W. Bentinck. The Marquis of LANSDO "NE bed said that Lord W. Bentinck recommended a very strong government in the north, and proposed that the seat of the general Go vernment should he remove! from Calcutta to Hyderabad. The Duke of WELLINGTON had misunderstood the Noide Marquis. The recommendation now intended to be considered was more dangerous than even the present plan. —(Hear, hear, hear.) Another point'upon wl ich he must make some remark was the proposed Law Commission. He considered it as worse than useless, for it would occa sion only expens- unless it should be attended with seri ous mischief. He certainly thought it advisable to admit the natives to certain inferior civil and other offices, but the higher ones must as yet be closed against them, if our empire in India was to be maintained. With respect to the clause abolishing domestic slavery, he entreated their Lord ships to give it their most serious attention. He knew as a fact that domestic slavery existed to a large extent in India; the Governor• General in Council had already power to redress any abuses under it, and he called upon their Lordships to deal lightly with the question, as they valued the m lintenance of British India. He fully con curred in the views taken by his Noble Friend who had moved the amendment. Lord AUCKLAND contended that to leave the trade in the hands of the Government of India would only be an injury to them, and a still greater ene to the g,ner t interests of the country. He had no doubt that in a short time the remittances to this country by bills would speedily be effected without inconvenience. With regard to the distress that would be at first inflicted upon the port of London by the destruction of the East India Company , monopoly, he could only say that it was one of the mis fortunes of such monopolies to draw about them a sort of factitious industry, which must give way as soon as fair competition in trade was allowed to operate against them. The Noble Lord then stated the increased tonnage of shipping employed in the trade to the east of the Cape of Good Hope since the opening of the trade. He also de fended the clause relating to the abolition of slavery, and maintained that it had been framed with the utmost caution consistent with the destruction of an odious system. Lord ELLENBOROUGH made some observations in reply, and the ainendm.nt having been put and negatived, the House went into Committee. The several clauses to the 34th clause were, after verbs' amendments had been made in them, agreed to. The 35th clause, relative to the division of the Presi dency of Bengal into 'wo Pre , i4lencies, having been put, The Duke of WELLINGTON objected to this division, and moved that the clause be omitted. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that establishing separate Presidencies in Bengal had been recommended by Lord William Bentinck. Lord ELLEN BOROUGH thought the evidence of Lord Wiliam Bentinck went no such length. The proposed separation wouid not only be inconvenient and unnecessary, but an increase of expense. After a few word. from the Marquis of LawsnowNE and Lord ELLENBOROUGH the amendment was tit gatived, and the clause aereed to. The remaining dawn up to 48 were then agreed to, and the House ailjournrArt a quarter atter twelve o'clock till to-morrow (this day). MINORITY On the Second Reading of the Lib° For the Second Reading Against it ..... 1 : 1 our 11 ' 140 0 )1 1 9/ r 4l- 11 313 Althorp, Lord Bulteel, J. C. Denison, W. J. stuttield, T. Forster, C. Goring, H. D. Halcombe, J. In the H0u5e............. Hughes H. Plumptre, J. P. Poyntz, W. S. Rickford, W. Shawe, R. N. Smith, R. Vernon Talmash, A. G. 50 0, Tracy, TYred' , re , 0 114, Verne'' , 0 6 Burrell' Molyneux,'Lord Hume, Joseph Brotherto J. Warburton, H. omilly, J. Hawkins, J. H. Strutt, E. MAJORITY Parker, J. Divett, E . Ewart, W. Ruthven, E. Blake, J. M. Hall, B. Parrott, J. Williams, G. Knapp, H. R. Tynte, C. K. Scrope, P. S S :D l:3r h i a GERMAN PAPERS. Ord W , Thomson, C. P. Childers, J. W. Aglionby, H. A. O fil OnEssa, JULY M.—The Neva steam boat ir ri a 4 yesterday in 72 hours from Constantinople, sr i Nig the news that the Russian fleet and array, to Majesty the Emperor to the aid of the Sulte;.' Po Bosphorus on the 10th inst to go to Feoat f O l if landing the troops at that place, where 1)1 0 perform quarantine, the fleet, as we hear, $ ll O OO,, M tjesty's orders put to sea again, and o e ! r ti0 1 :1 S hastopol till it has remained at sea for to! th e, pointed for qu a r an ti ne . T wo t rans ports, rti 2 the sick, who are t o b e b roug ht into our hag , 0 already at anchor in the road, and six more are 0 0 Count Orloff is expected here every moment, 00 Penderaelia corvette. JO VIENNA, JULY 25.—This morning their Majesties set out on their journey to Proge e ' t he sensation has been excited on 'Change to-day by of the capture of Don Miguel's squadron, by Nspier. It is feared that trotoles may arise l e hes* Count Campuzino, Spanish Ambassador sent a courier to M a drid. A F renc h co urier be g die from Paris ; his de-patches are said to relate t 0 of the East. The Court and most of the Fe rei rof bassadors having left us, the totvn is very dull. weeks Vienna will be more anitnated. Tne Ossinatore Tiiestino says—. On tf July arrived here the North American frigate tbe States, Capt. Nicho son, of 54 guns and 480 old modore Patterson is on board. Sh e came frail is 14 days, from Palermo in 12, and from Mesa" days. On the 12th art ived the Constellatio th m i G. C. Read, of 40 guns and 382 men, in 16 Napes, and 12 from Palermo. _ Let. FRANKFORT, Jut 23.—The increased ° ‘'S ? 1.,50 strictness respecting passport s whi c h h as lately """ at Vienna has within th ese f ew d ays ca used 113 0 - g i barrassment to sever ,l s t rangers w h o passe d thr7iil city intending to go to Vienna, and it is of 01 sl ' portance to trav e ll ers to b e i n f ormed i n t ime ° . 0 1 1 titulary. H ence f ort h i t w ill b e absolutely 11 1 0 1 every one who w an t s t o enter t h e Austrian St. `-I'! provided with a passport siFned by the Austrisoiol in this country. Accordingly the Austrian leg st 04 has refused to sign French, Russian, and other P o ll which wer e n o t s i gne d b y t h e A ustr i an lega tioa d S'. Petersburgh, &c., though they were sig° o o French, Ru ss i in . & c ., l egat i ons h ere, w hich 13 gel sufficient, and though part of them belonged t 0 who are we.l known. e Of the Commi ss i o n ers o f th e C en t ra l Board ° I those of Austria, Prussia, and Wirtetnbcrg ha ve Ifts l4 ,„ the Bavarian Commissioner is not yet conte• A i bsv the two l a t ter are expecte d to arr i ve s h ort l y , a°" missioners will then proceed to business. il " wa VIENNA, JULY 26.—Fiv e p e r C en t. Mew - . Four per C nt. ditto, 86i ; Bank Stock, 1,2 54 meine Zeilung, July 31. COURT CIRCULAR. ttle P The Duke and Duchess of CUMBERLAND t a d' their MAJESTIES and a select party at dinner 1e their residence at Kew. 0 1 Prince TALLEYRAND, the Prussiin Mini' r ' Baron de WE SSE N BERG , th e A us t r i an Speci° vkited Viscount PALMERSTON yesterday a t the office. 60, Despatches were sent off yesterday from th e I f office for the Lieutenant-Governor of Van Diem o il Visvount PALMERSTON, Viscount AlaitogrA t o JAMES GRAHAM, had interviews with Earl ' 6 " terday. FASHIONABLE INTELLiGENC* ARRIVALS. _,. r The Earl of Stair, in Seymour-place, Curzomstrn tour ; the Earl and Countess of Chesterfield, in So 0 1; street, from Goodwood; Lord Godolphin, lion) ee s Hall, near Cambridge ; W. Locke, Esq., M.P., in o ° o street, from Rowdiford House, Wilts; Colonel 50 . 4; Chaloner, in Portman-square, from Portnall r;gito Villiers and the Earl of Jersey, in Berkeley-s9rott Goodwood; D Hollingworth, Esq., in Maddox-st t i l Hollingworth Hall, Cheshire; Col. and Mrs. lgan li Mansell, at the Hyde Park Hotel, Hyde Park-plac e ; tio til . , 4 mouth : Mr. and Miss Corry, at ditto, from the con. r Rev. F. Gildart, at ditto, from West Wickham ; tb ;he ' Devonshire, at Devonshire House, from Brighton ; '-e Richmond, in Cavendish.square, from his seat, 0 the Earl of Pembroke, at Fenton's Hotel, St. Jar; 4 rl 7 from Brighton ; A. Turner, Esq., at ditto, from a"- ft , Bunbury, Bart., at Batt's Hotel, Dover-street, ft °..., : the al Baron Fogel, at ditto ; Mr., Mrs , and Miss Daug l ley's Hotel, Albemarle-street, from the North; esS l and Marchioness of Conyngham, at Dudley Hou se, from the Duke of Richmond's s e a t, Goodvrood ; , V' at Raggett's Hotel, Dover-street, horn Cheltenhag r ',. ,6 1 borne, Esq., at ditto, from Norfolk ; C a pt a in and P 'scbSeli i zie, in Grosvenor.street, from Brighton; Messr s ' d ont Turlot de Sorlus, at the Brunswick Hotel, JernlYn - o oll ii t Brussels ; Lord Glandine, at ditto, from the Cun' s. $1,,, and Miss Brancker, at ditto, from Liverpool; l' ; t tr - ,,,, Esq., M.P., at ditto; Earl Grey; in Downing.stree l iff Sheen ; the Marquis of Lansdowne, at Lansdown e ly Richmond; the Earl of Harrowby, from Windsor . miral Sir Trenuayne Rodd, in Harley-street, from Lord Lynedoch, in Stratton-street, from Windsor. DEPARTURES. t V The Countess of Lindsay, from Eaton-place, (o rb 1 House, near Stamford; Lord Ducie, from SeYra ° fr 6 ., Woodstock Park; Sir Robert Fitzwygram and MA I , frr naught-place, to Ballycore, Ireland; Lady Ackia n iel lij Hyde Park Hotel, Hyde Park-place; Charles Sb 3 ar V( tfd and Mrs. Shakerley, from ditto, for Park-place, n e 6o f 9( 06 ,,j Thomas Gibson, Esq., and Mrs. Gibson, from dit`: if/ r Cowes; Mrs. Austiss and the Misses Austiss, and je l l Ramsgate; John Stewart Hay, Esq., Mrs. Hay,l l . Newton, Esq., from ditto, for Kilmarnock; the vor, from ditto, for Buckinghamshire; the Earl 01 Si d m f l 1 c e o ft r a e ri r t l Fy el. e w s ni t . i n , ei from for l t tm ,. for i h ,po is uo his sr s et e r n :Ka; Portman-square, .t n ns , qt F p u; i °ar Lord 1 e e -place ahr KenyonciGer e r ; e d ; L o l r g d r at d oi Ham s ' nd Ga tr g ha e :l s4i shire ; Lieutenant Honourable H. A. Murray, t W alf j of Mansfield's, Caen Wood, to join his blajestY' s :oleflf mien, at Portsmouth ; Hon. Mr. and Mrs. W . 1 :((r .A # i d + Dover-street, for the Continent; Count de San d %i Sr mas's Hotel, Berkeley-square, for ditto; Adin ir- t otir4 Sotheron, from Lower Grosvenor-street, on a i , , , 0 0 j and Countess Bathurst, and Lady G. Bathurst, ~,,' 0 ,19r# ton.street, for Cirencester Park; Sir Robert " OW Albemarle.street, on a shooting excursion I " vor o,'l i i , lands ; Honourable W. Ponsonby, and Lady 133r w010%, James's-square, for Canford House, Dorset; Mr. 0 .00 .4 Vl from the Albany, on a tour ; Lord Yarborough , 4 the ton-street, for Cowes; the Hon. and Charles Owl, das, from Ashburne, in Derbyshire, for Drabe os 0' "l seat of Sir Roger Gresley ; the Duke and DU ch to 0 0 0 ,/ rose, and Lady Caroline Graham, yesterday, o 'o4/ square, for their seat, Buchanan Castle, N.B. ; of P',l Countess of Charleville, from Cavendish.squat e ': of 'I/ Charleville House, N.B. ; the Earl and Count ess ton, yesterday, from Berkeley-square, for Ilt o y N.B. ; Colonel and Mrs. Ellison, from Upper OV i ve l cp4 a tour ; Mr. and Mrs. Langford Brooks, from f rom 9/ ,- t I street, for their seat in Cheshire ; Lord Foreste - ;pre ~, street, Berkeley-square, on a visit to the Hen' g „Ady at Wycombe; Colonel Sir Edward Cust, from :40..5V , for Brussels ; Captain and Mrs. Nugent, frog! "' f a tour; Viscount Stopford, from Regent-street, fr om 0 House, near Kettering ; Lady Charlotte Lindsay' 0004f' li street, on a tour ; Colonel and Lady Alice r ee ;(l J' i :d street, for Buckingham House, Brandon ;.Z - erlefrof Dynevor, and the Hon. Misses Rice, from ..: - ; 4 00 0 ,0 : 1 0 1 Dynevor Castle, South Wales ; Sir George ':,,, y 01 0 0 Albemarle-street, to join a grouse shooting Pa' - v ive /1 0 /' lands ; Mr., Rev. Mr., and Lady Charlotte S e tb e .di / from Hill-street, for Burleigh, Somersetsh it" a t 9 6 and Marchioness of Lansdowne, for their vill a s ot, / 1 the Earl and Countess of Dartmouth, for tbe ir e t, 0,1 Staffordshire ; the Earl of Falmouth, for his 1 5 4 fof .d t/ Cornwall ; the Earl and Countess of Chester oe i% r - ~, Bretby Park ; Colonel Gore Langton, M.P., f or fa ,1 0 ,,, 1 ton Park, near Bath ; the Earl of Darlingt ° ; r 10 .1, William Turner, Esq., M.P., for his seat, n o e tei , Stir • 4 , Mrs. Henley, and family, from Fenton's 11 A i t to, e 0 0 5 street, for Norfolk; Chevalier Ebing, froln . ",.. tb pf,p pool ; Monsieur Ranton, from ditto, for clltt' u 'oti ; it' , of Tweedale, from Thomas's Hotel, Berkell.,„ dittfie„,,, i land ; Lord and Lady Belhaven, from ditto, ~.."1 . orlaa Mrs. Tendal Bruce, from ditto, on a tour ; 'l o ot, ;,s .. .q t i field, and family, from Batt's Hotel, Dover' ' t o, %Pi 9 Mr. and Mrs. G. Hunter, from Raggettl 11° ,iittot 1.10 r ;I r for Cheltenham ; John Dixon, Esq., from ,wirb ii. ,j tinent ; Mr. and Mrs. Ball, from the Brun" dos• TELLER. myn - street, for the Continent ; Captain Dun Buxton, T. F. —Weymouth `Greenwich, for Wales, lIIIN 0 RIT Y Of fifty-two (Teller included) who voted against t!e Ad vance of One Million Sterling to the Protestant Clergy and Lay Impropriators in Ireland, fur their Tithes due in the present and two past years : For the Grant B2l Majority Against it s2j 36 In the House.. ENGLAND. 140 Rickford, W.—Aylesbury Romilly, J.—Bridport Strutt, Edmund—Derby Shawe, R. N.—East Suffolk Sanford, E. A.—West Somer .. Aglionby, H. A.—Cockermouth Bewes, T.—Plymouth Bainbridge, E. T.—Taunton Buller, C.—Liskeard Brocklehurst, J.—Macclesfield Brotherton Joseph—Salford Beauclerk, 'Aubrey Wm.—Easi , Surrey Briscoe, J. I —East Surrey Cayley, E. S.—N. Yorkshire Cornish, James—'hotness Collier, J —Plymouth Divett, Edward—Exeter Dykes, F. L. B —Cuckermouth Ewart, W.—Liverpool Ellis, W.—Leicester Fielden, John—Oldham Goring, H.D.—New Jhoreham Handley, Wm. F.—Newark upon-Trent Harland, W. C.—Durham Hall, Benjamin—Monmouth Hutt, Wm.—Hull Hatvls, J. H.—Newport, Isle sets hire Cooke, W.—Truro fynte, C. J. K.—W. Somerset falbot, J. H.—New Ross Torrens, Col.—Bolton Williams ' G.—Ashton Wilmot, Sir E. E.—North War- wickshire Walker, It —Bury, Lancashire Wood, Alderman—London Wilks, J.—Boston SCOTLAND. Arbuthnot, Gen.—Kincardine. shire Dunlop, J.—Kilmarnock, &c. Gordon, Hon. W.—Aberdeensh. Ruthven, Edward—Kildare Sinclair, G.—Caithness-shire of Wight James, W.—Carlisle Kemp, T. R.—Lewes Lester, B. L.—Poole Lee, J. L—Wells Potter, R.—Wigan Parrott, J.—Totness IRELAND. Blake, Martin—Galway Coote, Sir C.—Queen's Co. Mullins, F. W.—Kerry Co. TELLER. Hume, J.—Middlesex , RITY Scrope, Poulett—Stroud Scott, Sir E. D.—Lichfield Seale, Colonel—Dartmouth Sebright, Sir J. S.—Hertfordsh. Stanley, E. J.—North Cheshire Stanley, H. T.—Preston Stewart, P. M —Lancaster Smith, R. V.—Northampton Tracy, C. H.—Tewkesbury Tyrell, C.—West Suflhlk Ta!mash, Hon. A.—Grantham Townley, R. G.—Cambridgesh. Verney, Sir H.—Buckingham Waterpark, Lord—South Der- byshire Wrottesley, Sir J.—South Sta. forastt ire Willoughby, Sir H. P.—New caatle-under-Lyne SCOTLAND, Adam, C.—Clackmannanshire Agnew, Sir A.—Wigtonshire Fleming, Admiral—Stirlingsh. Grant, C.—lnverness.shire Jeff , ey, Rt. Hon. F.—Edinburgh Johnstcn, Andrews Kennedy: T. F.—Ayr, &c. Macleod. R.—Sutherlandshire Murray, J. A.—Leith Nichols, J.—Cardiff Ormelle, Earl of—Perthshire ENGLAND. MAJ Anson, Hon G.—GtYarmouth Althorp, Viscount—South Nor thamptonshire Brodie, W. B.—New Sarum Briggs, R.—Halifax Burrell, Sir C.--Shoreham Carter, J. B.—Portsmouth Campbell, Sir J.— Dudley Childers, J. W.—Cambridgesh. Denison, W. J.—West Surrey Duncannon, Vis.—Nottingham Duffield, T.—Abingdon Elliot, Hon. G.— Roxburghshire Ellice, E.—Coventry Fox, Col. C. R.—Tavistock Forster, C. S.—Walsall Grant, lit. Hon. R.—Finsbury Grey, Sir G.—Devonport Grey, C.—Chipping-Wycombe Craham, Sir J B. —Cumberland Gordon, R.—Cricklade Holcomb, J.—llover Horne, Sir W.—Marylebone Horne, Sir W. —Marylebone Howard, F. G.—Murpeth Jerningham, H. V.—Pontefract Inglis, Sir It H.—Oxford Uni versity Lowther,Viscount—Westmore- land LRfevre, C. S.—North Hants Littleton, E. J.—South Stafford. shire . Marshall, J.—Leeds Macaulay, T. B.—Leeds Marjoribanks, S.—Hythe Maberly, W. L.—Chatham Milton, Viscount—North Nor. thamptonshire Morpeth, Ld—. West Yorkshire Molyneux, Lord—S. Lancashire Pepys, C. C.—Malton Penny, W. Parker, Sir H.—West Suffolk Peel, birlt.—Tamworth Petie, Hon. Ed—York Penleaze, C.—Southampton Russell, Lord—Tavistock Russell, Lord John—South De. vonshire Rolfe, R. M.—Penrhyn IRELAND. Cole, Hon. Arthur—Enniskillen Evans, G. -Dublin Co. _ Ferguson, Sir R—Londonderry Ffrench, F.—Rosscommon Fitzgerald, Thos.—Louth Co. Hayes, Sir E.—Donegal Jephson, D. o.—Mallow • W. —Dundalk O'Cnndeil, D.—Dublin City O'Connell, Maurice—Tralee O'Connell, John—Youghall inrien, Cornelius—Clare Perrin, L.—Monaghan Co. Stawell, Colonel—Kinsale Shaw, F.—Dublin University TELLER. Wood, C.—Halitax MIN 0 RI T Y Of thirty who voted, August 5, for Mr. F. Buxton's Amendment that the Children of Apprenticed Labourers shall be maintained by the persons who, for the tim ,, being, are entitled to the services of the mothers of such children : LushingtonDr....TowerHamlets Plumptre, J. P.—East Kent Tooke, W.—Truro Wedgewood, Wilks, John—Boston • SCOTLAND. Johnston, A.—St. Andrews Sinclair, G.—Caithness-shire IRELAND. Christmas, W.—Waterford O'Dwyer, A. C.—Drogheda Ruthven, E. S.—Dublin Sullivan R.—Kilkenny Vigors, N. A.—Carlow ENGLAND Brocklehurst, J.— ►lacclesfield Brotnerton, J. --Salford Blake, Sir F.—Berwick Burdett, Sir F.—Westminster Briscoe, J. I.—East Surrey Buckingham, J. S.—Shetheld Collier, J.—Plymouth Cornish, James—Totness Evans, Wm.—Leicester Ewart, Wm.—Liverpool Fenton, John—Rochdale Faithful, G.—Brighton Fancourt, Major.—Barnstaple Goring, H. D —Shoreham Hardy, John—Bradford Harland, W. C.—Durham Hawes, B.—Lambeth Humphery, John—Southwark .__._... Tu Espa The la Z or n 4 or th Vian a of to aff tapi ng t e te woul l 4 t t ° f neg tet r e . P°ll tha ood 2 n °rY b ~ io und; ti er nio letter 8 near B German land arrr 1 (1 ,9i the S j 0 : 11 of July N 4l „ 'ls say V-4- A-it/es